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Dream come true if this is legit. Heard this on ESPN and checked a few sources online. Not home atm so can't post any links as of yet but were a dark horse candidate from what I hear to nab Smith. Salaries are going to be rough to match but Bledsoe is our key player we trade. I'm imagining Odom and/or Butler is involved as well.
I'd love this trade if we could get Korver back, or Harris if he can remain healthy. However, thats a lot of salary to take back and Smith is more than likely a rental. Forget Smith's attitude, Chauncey was supposed to retire rather than come here and we weren't supposed to get Chris Paul. Smith needs to be on a great team. If he's on a championship contender I guarantee he wises up. Fills a giant need at the 3 spot.[/left]
good thing we rejected it
People are so against it but Smith is shooting 39 percent from deep this year and could easily play SF for us. He could also play PF and occasionally C. I'd do a Bledsoe package for Smith... only issue is re-signing him.
Clips have no need for Smith. He's a power forward that wants to play like a small forward. With Griffin on the team there's no need for him. He's also going to command a max salary, which he's not even close to deserving. He thinks he's much better than he actually is.
Another internet rumor put to rest.
More to follow.
thank god the Clips kept the conversation short.Josh Smith is not what this team needs.
Yep and some people don't understand that. Next.
go after a wing like Reddick and KG
not the kind of "shooter" we need
KG not coming here for the umpteen time.
are the clippers going to win a chip with josh smith? trading for him would be shoving all in.
griffin, paul, jordan and smith would be a great defensive line up with an atrocious FT %
We pull out chips back.....luckily.
Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard
In trying to move J Smith, ATL called LAC and asked about Bledsoe. Short conversation. Clips not really interested in trading for Smith.
Don't think this is happening and I'm ok with that. I don't see Smith as a great fit.
griffin, paul, jordan and smith would be a great defensive line up with an atrocious FT %
We pull out chips back.....luckily.
i agree it would be a bad trade.
LAC have no plans to deal EB or DJ. Sacks said he may do a small one. other than that. NO TRADES!
^^^ Yeah, I don't see anything happening unless something absolutely amazing just falls into our laps.
Brooklyn wants Josh Smith. Let's facilitate.
Brooklyn: Deandre Jordan and Josh Smith
Hawks: Eric Bledsoe and Kris Humphries
Clippers: Brook Lopez
Sprinkle in draft picks where necessary.
Yep....only a Godfather deal. 8)
Lol Nets are not trading their best player for that.... They want to pair Josh Smith with Lopez not get rid of Lopez for Josh Smith.
Sprinkle in draft picks where necessary.
Lol Nets are not trading their best player for that.... They want to pair Josh Smith with Lopez not get rid of Lopez for Josh Smith.
Lopez is a worse rebounder than DJ. No thanks.
After the accolades Dr Buss is getting from like everywhere,,I am assuming DTS is seeing these and wants to be remembered in the same way as an owner, albeit his time is shorter to make his peace with ,,,well everyone including us,,,after okaying a lot of bogus trades in the past. I think no trades (or a small one without any of our starters going) happen because this team believes in themselves and he believes in this team and CP3.
But I am never right.
the clippers don't need lopez either. he doesn't rebound well, he's not that good of a defender. all he does well really is score.
Marc Stein
From ESPN
Hawks seem determined to deal Smith
"The Atlanta Hawks have convinced numerous teams that they're definitely trading Josh Smith this week, largely because they see the unpredictable lefty as a virtual lock to leave them in free agency this summer. So ... Destinations? One team close to the situation consulted Monday night predicted that the Nets would ultimately land Smith via a three-way trade ... Another team pinpointed the Phoenix Suns and Milwaukee Bucks as the strongest contenders to win the Smith sweepstakes. ... NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com on Monday that the Boston Celtics have, indeed, registered their interest on the Smith front, with the caveat that they also remain highly interested in the Clippers' Eric Bledsoe. Yet a Boston deal for Smith, sources said, would almost certainly have to be built around Paul Pierce,"
Remember it was what,,2 years ago the Smith to us rumor started and EVERYONE was jacked up with the idea,,pre-CP3 days. We sure change our minds !
i actually do remember that. I even remember crossing my fingers for melo. we sure dodged a bullet.
I'm not so sure. DJ is no Lopez, but I think that he could excel alongside Deron Williams in the pick-n-roll game.
Lopez's game is predicated on low post isolation whereas DJ can run the floor. DJ's a better blocker and rebounder (I know, crazy, right?).
Considering that Brooklyn already has 2 players that can create their own shot (Williams and Johnson) and a slasher with a decent mid-range game (Crash), I don't think they need a ton of points production from their center. That is, unless they're going to admit that one of those three players isn't worth their contract (HINT: None of them are).
If you add in Josh Smith as their starting 4, you have an incredibly scoring-capable 5 man lineup where all DJ has to do is anchor the defense, clean up the glass and catch lobs from Williams. Kind of like what he does now, except that he'd probably play in the 4th.
I don't really think the Nets lose out with this trade. As a matter of fact, I think they upgrade their starting lineup.
As for Lopez, he'd be perfect for us (obviously). Blake can pickup the slack on the rebounding end, but the guy has a nasty midrange shot and can run the screen-and-pop with CP3 while Blake jockeys for position on the block or slashes to the rim.
Oh yeah, and Vinny would probably play him in the 4th.
You people do realize that Josh Smith is a SMALL FORWARD who HAs to play PF on a team that has no real Center right? Al Horford is a true PF having to play C because the Hawks are idiots.
Smith is and always will be a PF. He plays the 4 because he has to, but can play both positions really well. Whether it's Josh Smith or Paul Millsap, it's a 4 month rental and that's it. Chauncey and Hill are probably on the verge of retiring, and this team is only going to have both of those guys once as I doubt they both come back next year.
Rocking out a starting 5 of CP3, Chauncey, Smith, Blake, DJ with Crawford, Hill, Barnes and possibly Zaza Pachulia or Kyle Korver off the bench as your first 4 out there is pretty damn awesome and a lot better than what we currently have.
Butler is a fine player, but not going to give you 33-40 MPG in the playoffs at the 3 that Smith can do. Smith also can play incredible defense, get steals, blocks boards, pass and shoot the 3. We will be playing Griffin and CP3 almost 40 a night most playoff games, to have another All Star out there rocking out 38-40 a game with a big amount of playoff experience isn't a bad thing to have.
We'd also have some cap space next year pending we don't sign Smith ( which I doubt we will ) to go out and reload the team.
As much as I'd love to wait on Bledsoe and deal him in the summer, we may not get a better chance than Millsap or Smith in the summer. Bledsoe makes pennies compared to these players, and unless we move Bledsoe AND Butler in the summer for a top shelf player, we'll be stuck trying to move Bledsoe for a draft pick and a lower salary role player.
Call Josh Smith a small forward all you want, but he's not. At least, he's not a small forward that would fit our offense. Our team is based off the Chris Paul/Griffin/Jordan pick and roll--and for that offense (or any offense) to work, you need spacing. Josh Smith cannot shoot--a big part of why he has made the move to the power forward position. Having Smith out there with Griffin and Jordan would absolutely kill our spacing and would completely clog the interior. Not to mention he can't shoot free throws. Having 3 subpar free throw shooters in the starting lineup isn't so fun either.
He might improve our defense, but even a lot of his defense is better on the interior, not the perimeter, where he would playing if he were the 3. So it basically is a terrible fit all around.
I don't see Josh Smith being a good fit for us. He is not a good shooter like many of you guys have said and he's always been a little overrated to me.
Dont like this trade, good thing clips rejected it
You forget one thing - Josh Smith is actually much better defender than any forward we have. Not to mention the argument "he can't shoot" is moronic - the guy shoots 36% from deep, which is basically what Crawford does for us. He is an amazing combo forward and the only reason I would not trade for him now is the fact that he would be gone in the summer...no matter how good we are, since he is greedy and has too high of opinion about himself. He will seek a max deal and will probably get it from a mediocre team, which will never contend and in 2-3 years he will push for a trade to a contender...that's his NBA story to me!
this can turn into something good, if we arent interested in josh smith and hawks are willing to trade him for bledsoe, how about we use him in order to get a player that we need how about a 3 team trade clippers get kirk hinrich and loul deng, hawks get carlos boozer and eric bledsoe and bulls get josh smith and caron butler.
Perhaps because 2 years ago he was coming off a 21 PER season, and this season he's playing around a 17.8 PER (which is not that far off of DeAndre Jordan this year, for context).
Smith isn't looking as good as he used to. And he's on a contract year, thinking he's a max player when he's not. Not thank you.
i dont know why everyone is so fixated on a 3 pt shooting small forward, i beleive the mavs won a championship with shawn marion at the 3 and everyone knows hes not an efficient shooter beyond 10-15 feet. Josh smith bring us another big body, a better defensive presence, rebounding
I was hyped about Josh Smith potentially coming here... same thing with Iverson, Kobe, Igoudala etc.
I like Smith a lot but not for this team.He has a bad attitude,wants a max contract,and won't want to be the 3rd option on our team.I know we can't keep Bledsoe long term but I rather try to get something back for him that we can actually build with,I don't want to give him up for a rental.The Jazz like Hayward but I think they will be willing to give him up for Bledsoe.If that option is not there I personally would try to get KG and Bradley from the Celtics for Bledsoe and DJ but not sure if the Celtics are willing to split with Bradley.
bledsoe and a first rd pick for devin harris and korver. idk, but its much better than trading for smith and not being close to resigning him or having him be a bad fit
I've explained numerous times why Josh Smith is a bad fit (terrible shot selection, wants to be wildly overpaid, bad attitude, uncoachable) so I'm glad the front office doesn't want him.
Both trades aren't good. We can do better....next year.
I'm hopeful that the Rondo for J Smoove deal happens because it likely takes ATL out of play for CP3 (Not that I think he is leaving as of now), unless they just planned on flipping Rondo for something else.


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Pacer fans really aren't happy about the Granger trade right now.... over on their board, they're wondering if the lack of loyalty shown to him by the Pacers is a reason for their current slump.
I was going to say maybe we signed the heart of the pacers haha
Funny how people though Evan Turner was going to be a difference maker. He was a no defense playing chucker who puts up mediocre numbers on a horrendous team.
Basically a rich man's Mullens as far as I am concerned.
Indy just lose 26 point in Houston, they are just lucky when they beat us. The way we play now it's not scary anymore whoever we face in the playoff.
The Pacers are trying to get Evan Turner some minutes and that is causing problems with the chemistry. Since the team is playing well with Matt Barnes starting why mess with a good thing.
OKC and Lakers on ABC i'm rooting for the Lakers to win, lol! their win will count in favor for us.
as much as I thought Granger should start...Matt Barnes as proved me wrong the last 8 games. If Matt is playing like this, no way should we take him out of the starting line up right now.
Matt could really help the bench more than granger that is why he needs to come off the bench
Or vice versa Danny could help the bench with Jamal and Big Baby.
I think Matt could help the bench, but why take him out of the starting line up now when he is doing so well. Talk about a shot to his confidence.
Matt could help any lineup and is currently playing very well with the starters, no need to mess with that.
Granger should be okay with the bench also, and hopefully his shooting improves as we move forward. 3 games and 6 3PA tells us nothing. Interested to see where his production is 10-15 games in.
Dudley back healthy should be good with the bench as the PF or whatever, the other forward along with Granger.
Split the minutes like last year. Barnes and Butler were splitting the minutes at an almost 50-50 time percentage. Barnes has been playing superb and Granger can use this time to get his shooting down. Bottom line Dudley needs to have 0 minutes.
lol, no he was rotting there. It would be like us jettisoning Dudley and suddenly he plays like the Phoenix Dudley. Sometimes things don't go as planned, and a new environment helps a player. Dudley just doesn't fit here...at all. I wish him the best, but if he gets traded in the off season and he does well on his new team it won't make me think we made a mistake.
Matt Barnes is also a player who had a similar case. He was not exactly playing all that well on the Lakers. In fact the Lakers made no attempt to resign him. The Clippers give him a chance after CP3 chimes in about Barne's ability, and lo and behold he is a perfect fit here. Sometimes players don't work in certain organizations...Dudley is a clear example.
Splitting Barnes and Butler equal was a mistake last year because Barnes was clearly better, we should have started Barnes and played him more than Butler. Barnes is clearly better than Granger so far this year. I'm in no hurry for Doc to recreate VDN coaching decisions.
Anyone expecting Dudley's minutes to go down to 0 minutes will be disappointed, especially after Turkoglu's impressive 0 point, 0 rebound performance and fabulous late game inbound play last night.
Turgolu earns minimum wage and played less 10 minutes. He did get one assist.
Dudley earns 4 million and once put out 0 points 0 a assist 1 rebound in 21 freaking minutes.
Wait, Hedo gets paid only $8 an hour? That's a really good deal.
None of that changes that Doc's recent sub patterns seem to favor Dudley to Turkoglu in that role, if Dudley isn't getting minutes at SF. Maybe Turkoglu deserves it more ,maybe not, but Dudley has gotten minutes over him lately in important games like OKC and Houston.
Their salaries are pretty much irrelevant at this point in the season.
Lol, no wonder Turkoglu looks so skinny. If he's only making $8/hr and works like 15 hours a week, he probably mainly eats when the team provides food.
I'm for the time split between Granger and Barnes and I think Granger's confidence would sky rocket once starting.
I just love seeing granger out there
I was one that voted for starting Granger, but you can't mess with Matt right now. He is playing out of his mind, and unless Granger surpasses and think that the Chemistry would work better with Granger then you go that route. I'm ok with splitting their minutes maybe 55% to Matt and 45% to Danny with garbage minutes going to Duds. I think Reggie should get more playing time at the two while Jamal is out, because if JJ doesn't get back this season it would be nice to have some type of insurance.
Well, i hope Dudley continues his hustle once he gets back from injury if he's going to continue to,get minutes. Doc now,has an influx of talents on each position. Not a bad problem to have.
You guys are seeing what Granger can do for you tonight if you just give him the minutes and shot opportunities. He's a little slower but that might still be coming back but he's just a such a smart player that does many things well. He's a very good defender and an example of why defense isn't all about athleticism. Just get him 25 minutes and 10 shots and good things happen. I was never in favor of the Pacers moving Granger and thought he'd most likely be the better player between he and Turner by the end of the season, I think that's the case now but on top of that the Pacers now have to overcome the chemistry issue they're facing in losing the team captain that had been there for almost 9 years.
I like that we did both Barnes/Granger SG/SF and SF/PF lineups, this gives us a lot flexibility. Bullock and Dudley being able to play multiple positions works with this too.
There's no question he can still produce offensively. However, his defense may be an issue. As a perimeter player, you do need athleticism for defense or else the opponents would just blow by you. From what I've been watching thus far, his speed is almost comparable to Dirk's. 25 minutes a night is fine, he'll give us solid scoring off the bench, just don't start him.
I think as of right now, Dudley is at the bottom of the totem pole for SF
At this point I think that's a good comparison speed wise however I think defense goes a lot farther then athleticism. Granger's game has never been about speed even in his all star year but he's always been a very good defender. When I compare him to Paul George and Lance Stephenson with the Pacers, he's a step below PG who IMO is one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA but considerably better then Stephenson who is far more athletic. I've only watched a few Clippers games but from what I've seen you wouldn't' be losing anything defensively between Granger and Barnes. Right now I'd say Granger's best use defensively is against quicker 4's and bigger 3's like Lebron.
There just aren't that many good SFs that rely on blowing by people with speed, a lot like to post up or use their strength to power to the basket and a lot more are mostly spot shooters. Lebron, Melo and Durant are all more post players/shooters than guys that dribble around people, Lebron likes to dribble through people when he does face up.
George is the one guy that relies on using his speed to beat people. If you look back at earlier in the when Barnes hurt and we were relying on limping Dudley, George is the one guy that really hurt us; Durant just did his usual thing and we did really well defending Melo and Lebron earlier in the year.
Strength, positioning and decision making can go a long way on defense and so far Granger has those things down. Mobility is great tool have too, but there are ways work around it.
I agree with Muno about the strength, positioning going a long way on defense. I think Granger has been rotating correctly, putting a body on someone when a shot goes up, covering the paint in transition, rebounding, closing out and getting in the passing lane quite well in the few games he's been with us. He isn't the fastest, and he can get beat one on one by a good offensive player but he does all the little things. He also filled in the missing piece off the bench while Crawford was down, and also think that him and Collison having some experience playing together will help once Craw gets back.
Guess who was guarding George? Dudley.
Jcross did better guarding George than Dudley in the first game.
And Crawford would do a better job because he's faster, but he's weak, but George doesn't use his strength much. That doesn't apply to someone like Melo and Lebron though. Durant is completely different because he's freakishly tall for his position. Different players require different tools to defend, but for the most part there aren't a lot of good SF that rely primarily on quickness to score, so a stronger, slower SF isn't going to be a problem most of the time, which is why Indiana's team defense tended to be better when Granger was on the floor this year.
Granger showing signs against PHX that he is ready to start
I think it's clear that Danny Granger will start in the POs, 3 games in and already he's scoring and Very efficiently!
I'm not sure, Matt is playing great with the starters and Danny has more freedom with the bench.
I'm a strong believer when you are talking about chasing a title and not any individual accolades it comes down to minutes rather than starting or not. I think for now Danny should keep coming off the bench because back up guys can't deal with his size at the 3 and Jamal has needed help off the bench all year. If Jamal has to start it still works out because I also think Danny plays great with Collison and they compliment each other. If we see that he just plays out of this world with the starters than we should make the change. I'm actually in between and might change my mind by next game, but just think as long as Matt is playing great then we keep it going and let Danny tear up back ups. If we stagger minutes they will all get a chance to benefit from playing with the other starters.
Once Barnes slows down back to his 'normal' self I can see Doc putting him back on the bench and Granger starting at the 3
Honestly it's hard to choice now between Barnes and Granger to start, we need Barnes cutting and spot shooting, but Granger 2 games is also convincing.
i agree and am excited to see granger get more minutes.
I think its time to start Granger at SG until Redick comes back. We need Collison and eventually Crawford coming off the bench to secure the second unit.
I'm not sure Matt can produce the same way with the reserves. CP is always looking for open players, Matt's a great cutter, Blake requires double teams and it allows Matt to find the open spots. The starters tend to run a lot more and CP gets the ball to the right guy.
Darren just blazes ahead and what happens, happens. won't be too many double teams and open spots w/ the 2nd unit.
I'm not sure who is starting matters as much as who is finishing the game. But... In my opinion Granger is a starter. granger would be wasted with 2 ball dominant guards in Crawford and Collison. Barnes works because he doesn't need the ball in his hands to score. He can cut can grab rebounds and pick up some garbage. I'd much rather a wide open granger in the corner shooting 3s than Barnes. Also Granger can put the ball on the floor and create. He is also a much better passer (so good at times our teammates aren't even expecting the ball).
That's what I'm thinking, Collison doesn't usually look for a cutter. Barnes is a good fit for CP3's style, because of his ability to find an open player or a cutter same as Blake. Danny Granger is better than Barnes in a one on one like Darren and Jamal. Big baby's game will fit to this three. Jamal doesn't need a big space to make a shot, With Big baby giving him a little pick can give Jamal effectivity.
Barnes looked like he was coming down to earth the other night - in the end I think granger will create more favorable matchups for us. He also seems to have good chemistry with blake already.
Any word on Dudley?
I love Matt Barnes. I'm glad we re-signed him, and despite his early season woes I always gave him more of a pass than a player like Dudley because Barnes has been and most likely always will be a bench player. I never gave that luxury to Dudley because he was brought in to be a starter.
The reason why I'm not keen on him(Barnes) starting now that Granger is signed is that he has a tendency to impact the game a lot through his decision to live and die by the 3. Since the trade deadline passed Barnes has been hitting 3's, but prior to that I would cringe when I would see him take them. Our wing players do need to be able to hit 3's with good consistency, and that's the problem I see with Barnes starting now that Granger is on this squad.
For the time being Barnes staring is not a problem, especially since we can find enough time for Grnager at the 2.
However, once Redick and Crawford come back I would like to see Granger slide in to the starters spot at the 3 and Barnes minutes reduced. And above all Dudley should have no minutes.
He is moving along nicely. In mondays game we were 0-2 beyond the arc before Granger got insert, but then that all changed once he was playing. Also, that length of his makes it difficult for other players to score. He had a very good block on one of the suns players.
Speaking of length anyone notice how we put Big Baby with another pf, and then he really struggles against length on rebounds just tipping and tipping, I think we should insert Hollins in every once in a while with Baby, that'd help a lot.
Looks like he's a game time decision again tonight. He probably mostly plays PF from here out, although if we use Granger/Barnes at SG he might be get SF minutes too.
I watched every moment of big baby playing and I def didn't notice that.
Granger isn't averaging 50 and the forum isn't turning on him

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Thanks for showing the test harness support discussed.
Glad to have the archive versions, sometimes I need to take a break or sometimes am compelled to do a little cross checking online to enable or solidify my understanding
Good presentation!
self adapting sounds like an entry level plug 'n play concept ... great idea
nice to see debug / test harness support
Another stimulating lecture.
I've written code for live and simulation.
A good book should always have you develop code to be reused.
Good point about how to use code in conjunction with HW.
thank you Gary,
Thank you Gary!
@Gary - self-adapting looks like just pushing config files into h/w... (this is how I interpret the "may require h/w support" comment)
@Gary - a good SE class should talk about best practices including the code reuse (it's emphasised in object oriented)
Great to have access to the recorded sessions
Missed the live lecture again
looking forward to tomarrow
I havent written code for both a simulator and live
but have set up a stress tester rig to test out my code
I have had to fix both hardware defects and also
driver and firmware defects in the higher level software
for a good book on overall
good programming I think it talks about code reuse
read code complete
picking up day 4
betteer late than never. thanks for the lecture Gary.
Thanks Gary, you've presented some really useful stratagies for adapting code to different hw or environments. This is going to help me and those who follow with future projects.
Thanks Gary for sharing knowledge
Very informative lecture
@gongji: Personally, I too think that the check spelling method is overkill. But the HP LaserJet lab made that a rule. And when you are dealing with hundreds of engineers modifying code for the printer, it is a good safety check to have. The reason it is good because if there were a spelling error, trying to find it would be very difficult. After all, how many people first noticed my FAETURE mispelling at first glance? Once I said there was a problem there, people could see it.
@gongji: Test harness #defines should be in a global header file since all files being tested need to be compiled the same way. Debug #defines should probably be in module-level files since people tend to debug just one or a few modules at a time. You don't want to be deludged with a huge amount of debug info that you don't need.
@gongji: Unfortunately, it is the norm that fw works around hw defects. But it doesn't have to be that way. I have tried to combate that with my many Hardware/Firmware Interface courses, articles, and even a book. You can find more on my website, www.garystringham.com.
The one thing that comes to mind when using compile vs. build vs. run time switches is testing all of the different paths and configurations. Hope that we delve into that tomorrow.
Never thought about checking for CPP spelling errors. Interesting point, but seems overkill to me.
Where should these debug and test harness defines be placed? I assume it should also be in a global header file, along with product and hardware defines? I am trying to push for a single code for both simulation and product usage.
Totally with you on comments and documentation. I have seen code with many #ifdef 0's and #ifdef 1's. I guess they were used as quick/temporary bug fixes. But people are lazy. They rarely go back to add in more meaningful comments once the fix works. My blood starts to boil whenever I see such code...
The software fixes for the hardware problems is just practicality of costs. By the time software sees the hardware its usually too late .
I am a hardware engineer. Every chip I have worked on that has gone into production has firwmare workarounds for hardware "bug" fixes. It is the norm.
Don't you just love this industry where everybody reinvents the same wheel? #JobCreation #LOL
Thanks for another great session
@GStringham - Oh, I didn't even think of having to support multiple IDEs. That would be nasty indeed.
Thanks Gary for a great program. And thanks to all of you who attended this program. See you (so to speak) tomorrow.
@jcbacas.. I'm in the same boat :)
@chris.j: No, I have not made changes to the slide deck. However, I have made notes of things I would want to change if I were to give this presentation again. Yes, there were several new things I talked about for which there are no slides, including stuff that came up from the online comments.
@Bob Loy: When you change the IDE, are you expected to now support old products on the new IDE? If so, then just make any necessary changes to accomodate the new IDE and then you can support old and new products on the new IDE. But if you want to support code on both old and new IDEs, then more effort would be required to make it reusable. This is where you could make more feature switches to handle IDE_this and IDE_that. But your main question I think is why is there a problem in the first place with porting code to a different IDE. That would require that all the IDE vendors get together and work out their differences and agree on the same everything, which is unlikely to happen.
Um @jcbacas you can always listen to the replay they make it immediately available after the session is over
@Gary: I like the way you handle variable argument lists in functions called by macros. One of the better approaches I have seen.
Gary, thanks so much. Question: Have you changed any of the presentation slide decks since Monday? I downloaded them all at once but it seems like you've mentioned maybe squeezing a few more topics in here and there. Just want to make sure I have the latest.
Late again, but made it anyway
@rlallier - I'm sort of a noob to embedded C, but yes, I can imagine where dealing with futzy hardware you may have to invent some kludges here and there...
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, Gary.
Have a good day!
Thanks Gary for the info today and last night. The first website last night has been extremely helpful. It has information in it I didn't expect like about __inline__ . I have many errors not accepting that as well.
@marsch: Advantages of run-time switching. Fewer executables to test and manage. Deploy just one binary that will work with multiple products. Allow the customer to upgrade by paying for a new feature, then downloading a new configuration file, then the feature is turned on.
@JCarlson: why not printf (a)?? Printf is a variable-argument function. You can have with one parameter, printf("hello"), and you can have it with four parameters, printf("combo %d, %d, %d", a, b, c), and so on. But CPP macros do not support variable argment lists. So,
#define PRT_DEBUG(a) printf a
makes it so that PRT_DEBUG(("hello")) and PRT_DEBUG(("combo %d, %d, %d", a, b, c)) has only one parameter, a, in both cases.
@Bob Loy Have you not run into situations where strict ANSI C implementation just doensn't address the problem? Almost every place I've worked has run into situations where there were kludges necessary that rendered the code not strictly ANSI-kosher...
Thanks Gary and Rob!
Ran into a problem with comments on the preprocessor directive lines in code I was porting from an in-house language to a commercial C compiler. In-house language compiler didn't mind, but C compiler complained bitterly. Had to fix quite a few preprocessor directives to make it work.
I still have a question left unanswered from yesterday:Since C is meant to be portable, why should chainging to a different development environment mean that "you have to hit the reset button on code reuse"?Seems like everything we've covered in this class so far, with the possible exception of build switches, should still work fine even under a different IDE.
good info thank you
@psvail: If you are using a compiler that does not like comments on the same line as #endif, then put the comment on its own line above.
Driver bug workaround switches don't go through the build system though - they are defined in a private header per product - so those would be compiler switches.
very informative lecture indeed
so thanks a bushel
That's funny about the accent, Gary.
Mostly compile time switches. Also, some run time switches but to a lesser extent. Thanks, Gary.
I have used run time switches based on detectable hardware differences. Often for software work arounds for hardware issues.
I think I need to start using more compiler directives. Good examples last couple of days.
Large complicated code base here. A few make command-line switches (most importantly the model switch) causes our make system to set up about 100 secondary build switches. Each of these build switches also turn on the respective compiler switches.
Another good lecture, thanks!
We use a lot of CPP switches, but perhaps more of the run-time, although the thought with the run-time is to allow a customer to configure the product, not necessarily differentiate products. The overhead is usually too great for that.
Compile Time Switches for Resource Bound devices, Run Time Switches when avaliable.
Thanks a lot.
The accent of the voice at the beginning does make it difficult to understand that she is saying Blog Talk Radio. Someone on a previous course thought she was saying, "Lost Hope Radio." :-)
Thank you Gary,
Compile switches
thanks Gary
For thos who had difficulties with the audio, you can play the archived program in just a couple minutes.
New function parameters with defaults help when expanding a function. Old code will still build as is.
Problem is probably local. The thing is, if I can reliably play YouTube videos with this set up, why is the audio streaming for these classes so problematical?
I will be interested too in finding books about software reuse
Great class
Thank you Gary.
Thanks again Gary!
Compile switches mostly
Thanks Gary and Rob.
Compile & run, build not so much (but I probably should take more advantage of build).
Great session Gary.
Good to know thank you Gary
I am too much of a novice to have much useful feedback to these questions. Enjoyed the talk again though!
Gary thank you for today's lecture
thanks gary!
@Gary: I have used all of these approaches and generally prefer them in reverse order of presentation, eg, try to eliminate the need first.
used em all ... although I do prefer to do as much of it in run-time as possible. It is more flexible and really has fewer pitfalls
Compile and Runtime switches.
I use compiler switches the most.
Have used -- and still use -- all 3 types.
There might be other reasons, but where I work, that is what we use it for..
Mostly compile-time switches
Great program !!
I don't think I would say "is a NOP"
I think I might say "has no effect"
rlailler, you may try a differenct growser. Or, you can play the archive right after Gary is finished with his talk.
audio still works fine, here
@MarkO - Thanks! Guess I was looking for more than what's there. ;-)
for self-adapting, just have an input pin look for hi or lo - tie the pin to Vdd or Vss through a 10K resistor
lost audio...refresh doesn't help
We're now on slide 19.
A Product with One Compiled Code Base, with Run Time options saved in NVRAM to enable or disable features.
We're now on slide 18.
More code than will fit in flash.
That makes sense Mr. E.
Pitfals: Migrating projects from older Visual Studio 6.0 to higer VS 9.0+...
If there are enough different options #define in the code, it gets unreadable.
I don't write code with pitfalls ;)
it's easy to break your builds if you are not rigorous with testing every build type prior to a commit (e.g. debug vs release vs other build-switches)
@psvail: If your audio has had pauses, you may be lagging the lecture and that may be why it appears that Rob Spiegel is "off by one".
We're now on slide 17.
Run Time Bugs, NVRAM Coruption.
We're now on slide 16.
What are the advantages to using Run-time switching?
We're now on slide 15.
We're now on slide 14.
(but it's numbered 12)
We're now on slide 13.
off by one, Rob!
Slide 12 was an OpenOffice specific platform issue.
We're now on slide 12.
We're now on slide 11.
We're now on slide 10.
spelling errors
We're now on slide nine.
@BobLoy And that has the benefit of not having to change comments if you use the /* */ format in the code you want to "comment out".
@tocard: might be a specific version of gcc. I'm sure there are switches to have it ignored, too...
We're now on slide eight.
I use:#if 0#endif /* if 0 */pairs to remove code. Much more searchable than commenting out.
Hate those type of errors a real pain.
Simulations a must
FEATURE mispelled
@Gary: we see it : FAETURE.
on target chip only!
PC with simulated I/O and display and on embedded hardware.
Simulation 1st then real hw test
No. Product only.
Have no simulators. Only real HW.
no simulator, but definitely a lot of test harnesses... also, release versus debug code for sure
Product and simulator
Sometimes have to develop code that runs in both HW and simulator
I have not used a simulator.
Uses Sim + real
have not had to
Both Sim & Product
No C code simulators
Mr. E: I like that. Why didn't I think of that?
rarely have simulators
Both sim & product.
Real product only
We're now on slide seven.
@psvail I've never gotten compiler warnings with comments after #endif. Is that a C standard to generate a warning or just your compiler, do you know?
Another #if #endif matching trick: for those with editors that do brace matching, include an open brace in a comment on the #if (or #ifdef, or #ifndef), and include a close brace in the comment on the close brace, like so:
#ifdef JUNK //{
#endif //JUNK}
Now your brace matching will automatically toggle you between the #if and the corresponding #endif in the pair.
@gwp2 Them's fightin' words! LOL!
free and instantaneous, right?
We're now on slide six.
@Tocard - And I thought we were the only software engineers that said that. lol!!
Tocard sounds like your ready for management lol
good info
Still worth it though...
why not printf (a) ??
Comments after #endif will generate compiler warnings.
Comments after endif are really a good idea. I usually put those in because often times I'm working with large, multi-page blocks of code.
...and why fix it in hardware anyway? Software is FREE! ;-)
We're now on slide five.
I thought there were only software problems...:-)
@Gary: have had to work around hardware defects in software on a number of occasions.
yes, I have fixed many hardware problems with work arounds.
One of the first projects I had where I work was to triage hardware defects across 6 different ASICs from two venders. The code in slide 4 looks very much like what I ended up doing (with about 10 different workaround switches)
Since i'm primarily the hardware guy its alway software defects............
both: HW and code work around
Yes, lots of SW workarounds.
I didn't have to work around HW flaws, but coworkers have.
Many times
Fixed many hardware problems with software work arounds.
Been there.
Seems like its all the time!
sure - hardware workaround
I have CAUSED a hardware defect that required a workaround :)
Been there, done that!
All of the time
We're now on slide four.
Have not looked for books or sessions on software reuse.
We're now on slide three.
"Blog talk radio" Of course! Thanks, now I can sleep at night.
If you don't have Blog Talk Radio, refresh your browser.
Hi form Midland TX
@sjaffe It sounds like "Laptop Radio" but it's from the "Blogtalk Radio" site.
Yes, blogtalk radio.
Blog Talk Radio?
I think E2 radio but
We're now on slide two.
It's something radio
No Problem on Page 12 of PPT.
Hello from Massachusetts
@bitbanger55: Page 12 is misformatted for me, too. However, I am using OpenOffice Impress for viewing. Not exactly the same as PowerPoint.
What is the introduction? Sounds like "LONG PULL RADIO"?
Audio bar is active!
Morning, North Pole Alaska
Greatings from Waterford, WI
page 12 looks fine on my slide deck...
Hello everyone
hello everyone
Howdy from Texas!
Page 12 of my PPT rendering was mis-formatted. Anyone else have that problem?
Hello from IL. Good discussion post-class yesterday on external editors (nice to see some SlickEdit, CodeWright, and Notepad+ Fans).
Hi Rob.
Hello from Southeast Michigan.
Greetings from Austin!
Good Morning to all from CA
Welcome to the program. Gary will be on soon.
Hello from Alameda, CA
Good Day from Mobile, Al
@kdavidson No, but my father is Will Cheetham and my brother is W.E. Cheetham.
R we there yet?
Hi from Waterloo, ON, Canada
WAW!! From all around
Hello from MI
Greetings from Portland, OR
Hi from Minneapolis
sunny and 3C (37F) in Ottawa ON
It's sunny and 45F in Boise.
Hello from Europe
hello from michigan
hi all
Should be a good session today
Hello Everyone. Sort do I. I am ready for today as well.
ready for another! :)
Hi from MI
Good afternoon.
Hello. Looking forward to today's presentation.
Hi All!
Good afternoon
Howdy from Fort Worth,TX !
hello to all
Greetings from MA.
@JCheetham Hey, are you from the law firm that sponsors NPR's Car Talk? Dewey, Cheetham, and Howe? :o) Sorry, it's quiet here.
Hello, everyone,
I am here in Vanvouver.
Hello from Vermont
We had ice on the lakes this morning in Hayward Wisconsin :|
Hello from Milwaukee
Second cup.
enjoying this series!
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I need coffee too!
"questions" not "wuestions".
Yesterday I got called away for "a few minutes" about 1/2 hr before the session started and got back 3 hours later. I got a lot out of the archived session and Gary Stringham answers email wuestions fast.
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Special event items are produced by manufacturers only after the outcome of a game or event. These are advanced sale items and will ship immediately after they are received in our warehouse.
Manufacturer direct items are shipped directly from the manufacturer. These items are not available for international or expedited shipping.
Customized items can be personalized with options such as your name, your favorite number, and/or designs. Some options may be limited by league rules.