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MWP just got bought out by the knicks, he seems like he would be a good fit for the clippers. a physical defender and good spot up shooter, he could be what we need to guard durant in the playoffs since were going to have to go through them to get to the finals. also, a strong physicial presence and can play some 4. Do you think Coach Doc would consider him?
They are obsessed with washed up players - need a younger gm haha
he could help in the post season run though, theres really no point to have young players now when we are going for a championship
Nutty player but when he is all in he is a great defender !! Yes , him and big baby , Should do it !!
Yuck. He can't defend nor shoot anymore. He's like a walking slow footed body builder
id rather have metta than granger. Metta would understan his role better and is a better defender
But he can't defend anymore. Have u seen his lateral movement?
^ Yup. He also doesn't "understand his role" at all. He still thinks he's an All-Star scorer and no coach has been able to convince him otherwise. He will take the amount of shots he thinks he deserves, be they good or bad ones. No thank you.
I agree. His best days are behind him.
More exflakers, no thanks
Yeah i'd rather take Earl Clark than Ron Artest. He's younger and bigger and probably a better defender now
I've always liked Artest, but we need youth and athleticism, not more washed-up old players.
I hope Clippers pass on Metta. He spent the majority of this season trying to rehab his bum knee and he hasn't really been the top defender he was in the past. He's a tough dude, but he's really been hindered by his injuries.
Better options are Granger and Davis.
No thank you,not only an ex-Faker, one that is nuts and past his prime and is nuts.
Metta is a thug. I want Clip to win but having a cheap shot artist who likes to shoot and miss is not an upgrade. Doc Rivers and CP like the old guys so this maybe could happen. Hope not!
They want a bouncer we have only one (Barnes) they want another one to protect Blake.
Metta is no thug, haven't you heard is "Too Sexy" song. lol. I would love to have him, not because I think he still has it, or not because I think he'd be an enforcer, Simply because he would do what more of our bench players should be doing, witch is Shoot the ball. Metta never met a shot he didn't like, and seeing the way the bench has been playing minus JC, we need somebody who will at least take an open jumper and who won't be afraid to get into the paint.
In all seriousness though, IDK about Metta/Ron Ron, he's sorta a wild card like he's always been, kinda like a Box of Chocolate.
It depends on how healthy he is. But the biggest need for the clippers in another big guy.
He is about as bad as Andrew Bynum. Not something I want around this organization.
With two roster spots left, I would think our priorities are Danny Granger and Glen Davis. Although getting the toughness and defensive intensity from Metta would be awesome. Clippers would have to waive someone.
Metta World Peace is reportedly being waived and will be available to a team that is likely going to the playoffs. We all know his resume and his baggage. I haven't been following him lately so not sure where he is physically at this point. We have always known where he is mentally, in la la land. But he can be a very effective defender. If Doc brought him in it would be all about somebody that he wants him to defend in the playoffs without getting other key players in foul trouble. MWP would become a very defined role player. We would only need him for defense.
Already a topic on it:
http://clippers.topbuzz.com/PNphpBB2-vi ... tml#440706
And I think most people are very anti the idea of adding him.
if he is still good LAkers will not send him to Knicks and Knicks will not waived him, if we want a slow player lets bring in Karl Malone, Barkley Shaq and Webber.
Barkley in a jersey, not a pretty image.
I've wanted MWP not for his skillset, but for his
with 3 roster spots I'd be in favor of getting Davis, Grangers/Clark,
and MWP.
You guys may not want to address it, but we need a tough
guy who can protect blake.
History shows MWP has no problem cracking
someone up side the head if they start
getting too rough with his star players.
If Doc pulls all 3 off we fill all 3of our holes.
Big Man, SF, and Softness.
True,even if it's a fan in the seats. Watch out Faker fans,Ron Artest may be back.
YOu guys do know this is not happening,right? I think if someone crunched numbers we may find even if this loose cannon was available to us and for some really bizarre reason Doc wants him, we may not have the cash.
id rather have chris kaman.
Would like Metta in the 15th roster spot if needs are filled first.
Really we already had our toughness in the form of Stak5, I think he would have been just as good in that role (he also played decent defense, and for being overweight moved better than MWP in NY). No need for him, would rather have Clark.
I'd definitely take Metta if we're not going to get Danny Granger. Clips have the second best offense in the league so while getting a better scorer at the 3 would be cool it's not necessary. We need guys that want to defend as a priority.
Apparently his defense wasn't a priority in NY, don't know if it would be here. When you can't get playing time with the Knicks who's defense isn't very good, that says a lot. Old "World" has dried up, LOL.
Metta is trash.. No please
^ I 2nd that. Dude is not only annoying but like you said, he's trash.
Is MWP even healthy? He is still a better defender than Granger or Davis.
I'm iffy on MWP. But I still remember when the Lakers would put him on CP3 and he would do a pretty good job. We may need his defensive presence come playoff time.
Honestly from the little I saw of him on the Knicks I don't even think he is better. He just looked terrible
I despise him. Please don't pick him up.....
Sign him up for 10 days to see what he got. If that legal...
From seeing him with the knicks he seems out of it, but that might be because the knicks suck this year. I see world being another barns with techs and flagrant so idk
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RT @Chris_Broussard Source: After being waived by the Knicks, Metta World Peace hoping to land in Miami, San Antonio or OKC.
Everybody wants Miami, okc or Spurs
They are more than welcome to him!!
Not really surprising. If you want a ring, those 3 and Indiana makes sense.
Both Metta and his brother have been tweeting about the Clippers lately... maybe he is coming here. Remember last offseason that before the reports came out that he signed with the Knicks, he tweeted out pictures of himself in a Knicks hat. Could be him once again using Twitter to hint at his destination.
Mettas brother said something on the lines of, "Metta is in great health, and if you want someone guarding LBJ in the Championship game, then let Metta go all out on him for 20-25 minutes a game."
Metta couldn't be no worse than Dudley at this point. IMO.
Metta's defense never consist of quickness, he is still very strong(muscle wise), long armed and veteran savvy enough to body up the Lebrons, KD's and Hardens of the NBA's.
Metta's last two coaches were D'Antoni and Woodson, two coaches known for their offense. Doc could find a role for Metta that could utilize him properly.........hopefully!
I don't see the fascination with Clark. Is he a good defender or something? Because his numbers scream Byron Mullens part deux.


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The City of Aiken's concept for the Hitchcock Parkway widening project drew heavy criticism during its unveiling at the H. Odell Weeks Activities Center on Thursday night even though it required the use of less land around the road than the S.C. Department of Transportation's plan.
More than 60 people showed up to get a look at the City's alternative proposal, and many expressed disappointment and frustration that it included a four-lane instead of a three-lane design. They pointed out that many residents in the area already had expressed their preference for an expansion to only three lanes or no expansion at all.
"What a mess," said Bob Gilbert, an outspoken opponent of the widening project, after learning about the details of the concept. "It looks like I-20."
The City of Aiken hired W.R. Toole Engineers of Augusta to prepare the concept. Rick Toole, the president of the company, presented the plan using a PowerPoint presentation and a short video as well as drawings and photos displayed on easels.
Toole said his company's efforts focused on assessing traffic volume and growth projections, determining if the required roadway improvements could be constructed in the existing right-of-way and incorporating a "parkway" theme into the concept that emphasized the appearance of a greenway as much as possible.
The concept W.R. Toole Engineers developed would allow the expansion of the road from two to four lanes to be completed within the existing right-of-way for the most part.
"There is some possibility to have some minor takings in different places, but it is about as minimal as we could get it," Rick Toole said.
The W.R. Toole proposal included adding a median to Hitchcock Parkway that could be landscaped, reducing the width of lanes from 12 feet to 11 feet, and the adding decorative retaining walls, curbs and gutters.
The widening project has a budget of $26 million, according to Aiken City Manager Richard Pearce, and is scheduled to take place on 4.8 miles of Hitchcock Parkway from Silver Bluff Road to Jefferson Davis Highway (U.S. 1).
"I don't like the idea of four lanes, period," said Janis Hartline, whose lives in the Hitchcock Parkway area. "I just want turn lanes and slight improvements. However, they have decreased the footprint in this concept from the original plan and that does make it more feasible. But again, I do not think this should be capacity driven because I don't think capacity is a problem between U.S. 1 and Silver Bluff Road. The problem is at the ends, at Silver Bluff Road and U.S. 1."
Larry Byers expressed a similar opinion, describing Hitchcock Parkway as being like a glass cylinder half full of water with corks at each end.
"No matter how I turn the cylinder, the water flows freely until it gets to those two ends, which are U.S. 1 and Silver Bluff Road," he said. "The only problem we have with capacity is at the ends of Hitchcock Parkway and not in the middle. The problems could be solved by making this an improvement project rather than a widening. There is need for improvement, but it doesn't necessarily require widening the entire Parkway."
Byers received an enthusiastic round of applause as did Gilbert when he discussed the condition of the Palmetto State's roads in general while expressing additional opposition to the concept.
"South Carolina doesn't have the money now to maintain the current road system and bridge system," he said. "Twenty percent of the bridges in Aiken County are rated as structurally deficient. One only has to travel our roads to see what terrible shape they're in, generally speaking. And here we have this advocacy by our government to build acres and acres of more pavement when we can't maintain what's there already while the state legislature is talking about increasing the sales tax so we can start maintaining what is already there. It just seems like 'Alice in Wonderland.' "
Prior to Rick Toole's presentation, Pearce said: "Tonight is about ideas. This is not a not a final design. This is a concept, which is what Hitchcock Parkway could look like."
There were forms that each member of the audience could fill out that had space for suggestions. The City of Aiken's Hitchcock Parkway concept will be available for viewing again on July 2 at 6 p.m. at St. Paul Lutheran Church at 961 Trail Ridge Road.
Dede Biles is a general assignment reporter for the Aiken Standard and has been with the newspaper since January 2013. A native of Concord, N.C., she graduated from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
STAFF PHOTO BY DEDE BILES Members of the audience view and listen to details about the City of Aiken's concept for the widening of Hitchcock Parkway Thursday night at the H. Odell Weeks Activities Center.×


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Last time they played
Richland Northeast defeated South Aiken 28-21 in overtime last season.
Players to watch
South Aiken
• Bo Baldwin, QB. Baldwin is a difference-maker for the Thoroughbreds when he plays. The problem is he's missed significant time the past two seasons because of injuries, including a broken right hand – his passing hand – early in last year's loss to Richland Northeast.
• Rasool Clemons, DE/WR. Clemons burst on the scene as one of the area's best defensive linemen last season. Now he's looking to do the same as a receiver while still terrorizing opposing quarterbacks.
• Will Holbrook, TE/LB. Holbrook figures to be a pivotal player on both sides of the ball, serving as a sixth offensive lineman and reliable pass catcher while also leading the T-Bred defense, making reads and getting his players lined up properly.
Richland Northeast
• Simeon Kelley, QB. The 6-foot-3, 215-pound former defensive end is making the move to quarterback this season and will have to maximize his physical skills since the Cavaliers lost most of their top skill players in 2012 to graduation.
• Zaaviea Blyther-Wright, OT. The massive tackle (6-4, 275) is part of a beefy offensive line that's returning all five starters from a year ago and will look to buy Kelley time and push the T-Breds around.
• Brien Washington, LB. Washington is the Cavaliers' top returning tackler from a year ago, where he made 54 stops as a safety. He'll make the switch to part of the front seven and look to maintain a good nose for the ball.
What this means
This is the season opener for both squads and the first chance for both to officially put disappointing 2012 campaigns behind them. Neither South Aiken nor Richland Northeast qualified for the playoffs, coming close but missing out on playing in the postseason in spite of loftier expectations.
The T-Breds will also be looking for some pay back. They lost to the Cavs in last season's 2012 opener, falling behind big early and losing Baldwin to an injury that would put him on the shelf for the next six weeks. With Holbrook at quarterback, South Aiken rallied before falling in overtime, extending what turned out to be a 16-game losing skid.
Getting off to a good start could have a long-term positive effect for the winner. South Aiken is trying to establish itself as a legitimate playoff contender and needs to enjoy some success to make that more realistic. The T-Breds play such a daunting non-region schedule, that this might be the most winnable game in the first half of the season, an opportunity they don't want to squander against a Cav squad that's in transition and looking to start it's final season in Class AAAA on a good note.
Ridge Spring-Monetta at Pelion
Last time they played
Ridge Spring-Monetta defeated Pelion 46-22 last season.
Players to watch
Ridge Spring-Monetta
• Reggie Preston, QB. Preston finished last year as one of the area's top passers and will look to compound on that success this season.
• Travious Wigfall, RB. Wigfall will line up in the backfield this season after spending last year at receiver. He's one of the most talented players on the offensive side of the ball and will be a big part of the Special Teams
• Mello Harris, DL/LB. The Trojans will use Harris on the offensive and defensive line as well as at outside linebacker. He's a physical player who has a nose for the ball.
• Zack Hawkins, QB. Hawkins threw for more than 1,200 yards last season.
• Freddie Phillips, WR. Phillips is one of the Panther premier playmakers. He is likely to be the go-to guy in the passing game and be an asset at other positions on the field.
• Octavius Green, DE. At 6-foot-3 and 225 pounds Green is certain to be a big factor in many games for Pelion,
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Heath Corley will be back for his second season as head coach at Ridge Spring-Monetta and with more familiarity should come better results. Last season the Trojans were able to take care of Pelion pretty easily but they aren't looking at the game as a sure win this year. They will be using it as an early tune up for their offense and defense.
Venerable coach Ben Freeman will be looking to return Pelion to the success of his early years with the team. Much like the Trojans, Pelion is looking to bounce back from a 4-7 season.
Keys to the game
Establishing a good mix on offense will be a big part of Ridge Spring-Monetta's gameplan.
"We're going to do what we always try to do when we get out their," head coach Heath Corley said. "We have to be sharp with our execution that is the main thing."
The coaching staff doesn't plan to put any extra pressure on Preston to make plays. However, he does recognize his strong arm and plans to utilize it.
"We're not going to make him throw too much but there will be those two or three plays that he just absolutely has to make," Corley said of his quarterback.
Corley added that he plans on playing defense by executing on offense. The Panthers have made a few changes to their offense and Corley would like to do all he can to prevent them from have many cracks at scoring.
The second year coach also stressed the adjustments the players will have to make playing in the season opener.
"We've been telling them that they have to understand that it's going to be a much longer contest than what they've been going through," Corley said. "It will be a completely different atmosphere they will have the responsibility make the adjustments that coaches have been telling them to make up until this point."
What they're saying
"I'd love to run every snap if I could. That's just me and how I like to coach but I know you need balance." Heath Corley
Staff photo by Mike Adams Matt Albertson (2) of South Aiken could be a versatile player for the Thoroughbreds this season, starting in tonight's game against Richland Northeast.×


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Meredith remains an upbeat and determined young woman as she continues with ongoing cancer treatment. In 2009, she had just completed a stellar basketball career at USC Aiken when she was diagnosed with a rare ocular melanoma.
On Thursday, the four-year USC Aiken basketball standout will head to Tampa for a trial medication program. Then she'll fly back Friday to her new home in Charlotte to watch television at 9 p.m. that night.
She will flip to not just any television show, but the TLC production of "Say Yes to the Dress Atlanta" – featuring Meredith herself as she searched and finally found a wedding dress. The video taping dates back 11 months ago, followed by additional taping at Meredith's wedding to Christopher Stapleton on Oct. 20. Atlantic Broadband broadcasts TLC on channel 25.
Last May, Meredith was joined at Bridals by Lori in Atlanta with her mother, mother-in-law, sister and two bridesmaids.
"It was a lot of fun, a special day," she said. "All of them cried, crying with happiness. We shot it for six hours, and they picked out some funny dresses."
Meredith is returning to Aiken on April 24 as a guest of the Aiken Mid-Day Lions Club for its fashion show fundraiser for vision and hearing needs in the community. Not long after she began treatment four years ago, her left eye was removed.
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The description for Meredith's appearance is poignant: "A bride is anxious about upcoming cancer treatments but hopes to find strength in her dream dress."
She and Christopher had dated in high school in Charlotte, and, after Meredith received a basketball scholarship at USCA, they decided to end the relationship. In March 2012, she was coming through Charlotte and called Christopher.
"We wanted to see each other, and that was it," Meredith said. "It's amazing. He's a special guy, the best person for me. He'd rather spend this time with me and know we got good years together than not ever again."
She faces surgery on May 3 and will continue with the clinical trial and chemotherapy through much of the summer. There are not a lot of studies on the drug protocol, so she is "just praying and hoping it will work in our favor."
Throughout the long day for "Say Yes to the Dress," Meredith laughed and laughed throughout video session. She found dresses – some of them just fine, and others not so much.
But oh, the irony. She calls her mom and sister and the others "my girly entourage," because she is nothing of the sort. "They are way more into fashion styles and accessories," Meredith said. "I would have been happy in sweatpants and a sweatshirt, and that's just what my husband said. I picked the dress I knew my dad would like on me, that it was classic and elegant and not like a prom dress and too flashy."
People tell her she's strong, and she responds that Christopher gives her superpowers. Meredith just wants to be around her husband, their families and their dog Chiller, a Lab mix. There always are days that come up on the calendar for her treatments and consultations.
"I keep pictures of my dress to keep going forward and get that extra boost," Meredith said. "We live every day as normally as possible, and I have a great life. This is a bump in the road, and it doesn't define my journey and my path."


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Dudley in terms of overall value is the best. Afflalo is overpaid for his talent and production, Mayo is okay, but not as good as people seem to think he is. Dudley hits the sweet spot of just a bit above role player, and an effective two way player who brings 3/D, but he's not a SG. He's best at SF.
Toney Douglas is actually a nice 3/D PG that wouldn't be a bad fit for this team.
Tony Allen is a good choice, but my thoughts on him are that while he's more versatile than Bledsoe defensively as he can guard 1/2/3, and Bledsoe, 1, and 2, you're forfeiting offense and 3PT shooting with him, so why not just start Bledsoe at SG if you want to go pick up Tony Allen? He certainly isn't spreading the floor, and Bledsoe is a better shooter (not saying much) while also a high impact defender.
Martell Webster should be on the SF list, not the SG list. Problem of course is that there is not THAT much flexibility in terms of signing players, basically you sign one player for the whole MLE, or do a $2M/$3M split, or $2.5M/$2.5M, or $1.5M/$3.5M split amongst two players. You then have to question if the upgrade of for an example a guy making $2M - $2.5M is worth if over some guys that you could pay the veteran's minimum to.
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PG - Get a minimum player
Sebastian Telfair, E'Twaun Moore?, John Lucas III, Earl Watson, Malik Wayns, Shaun Livingston?, C.J. Watson?
SG - Don't force it trying to get one
$4M: O.J. Mayo (he'll get the full MLE, so this won't get him)
$3M: Tony Allen
Minimum Attempts: Anthony Morrow, Keith Bogans, James Anderson? (if option not pick up)
SF - Go big if possible, it not, there are options
Full MLE: Paul Pierce
$3M: Martell Webster, Carlos Delfino
$2M: Matt Barnes, Mike Dunleavy
$1.25M: Al-Farouq Aminu (or minimum is possible)
Minimum Attempts: Ronnie Brewer, Chase Budinger, waived Hedo Turkoglu?
Big man:
Full MLE: None
$3M: Zaza Pachulia
$2.5M: Elton Brand, Jermaine O'neal
$2M: Earl Clark, Jason Smith (if option not picked up)
Minimum Attempts: Nazr Mohammed
Those are more variable than this implies, but that's kind of what you would be looking at. It's basically a pick two that adds up to about $5M out of the non minimum possible guys, or just go with one and use minimums.
Those players that you list as better can't and haven't delivered titles. Triple double not a threat?? That sounds silly. Sometimes the eye test means more than just the numbers. He doesn't need to score a lot of points yet he still averages double figures in points. I'd rather have my point guard run the team , distribute the rock, play defense, crash the boards and get 10 pts a game than score 18 pts. You don't think his defense is good even though he's always 1 or 2 in steals?
Rondo delivered a title? So what about Parker who has won and has a finals MVP, what did he do?
And when you say Rondo "delivered" it, what do you mean, he was the, or a main cog? He wasn't and it's just like saying Mario Chalmers delivered a title. He delivered a title as much as you could say Perkins did in a comparison to Dwight Howard, it's a useless mention. It's only important if you believe other PG's in the same situation would have failed to produce enough for Boston to win. As if you stick Paul on that team and they don't have two or three title instead or just one.
What exactly is the point of comparing totally different situations? What point is made in telling us that a PG can win a title with prime Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and KG, but not with Andei Kirolenko, Carlos Boozer and Mehmet Okur, or Peja Stojakovic, David West and Tyson Chandler? He won a title as the 4th best player behind KG, Pierce and Allen, and that's at best 4th best player.
He averaged 10/4/7/.454 TS% in the post season when they won a title.
In the conference finals and finals he averaged
Yea, he really "delivered" that title on a platter.
Rondo is a great example of a player who is overrated because of team success and his playoff impact is a bit overstated because of playing with an elite defense. I say this because without the defense holding down the opponent, Rondo has never single handedly produced enough on offense to win a series for his team just on offense. Paul for example has done so and still lost because his team defended even worse that his offensive production could boost the offense. He did it this year, vs the Lakers and in 07-08 though the Hornets were also a good defense in 07-08.
Last year against Miami was the closest thing for Rondo, but even then, outside of the impressive stamina, 20.9 pts / 11.3 assists / 17.9 FGA / .528 TS% / 109 Ortg in 45.2 minutes, is quite good, but many players have done much better offensively and lost to weaker teams because their team wasn't holding opponents to 98.2 pts/100 possessions during the season while boasting the #1 defense in the league.
It's interesting how people still don't grasp the value of an elite defense. It's why I wanted a coach like JVG or Malone, and a trade for KG even though he's old. Elite defense means that the Clippers 107 Ortg vs Memphis would have been MORE than enough offense packaged with an elite defense to get them into the finals THIS year.
The problem with your comparison is that you're making total points be the same as shots taken and neglecting that on a team without two to three higher options, other PG's don't get the luxury of just passing and scoring only 10 pts.
10-11 Paul: 12.8 FGA / 8.2 FTA (~4.1 FG) / 22.0 pts (~16.9 attempts)
11-12 Paul: 14.9 FGA / 4.3 FTA (~2.2 FG) / 17.6 pts (~16.1 attempts)
12-13 Paul: 15.3 FGA / 6.2 FTA (~3.1 FG) / 22.8 pts (~18.4 attempts)
08-09 Rondo: 15.9 FGA / 4.8 FTA (~2.4 FGA) / 16.9 pts (~18.3 attempts)
11-12 Rondo: 15.8 FGA / 2.9 FTA (~1.5 FGA) / 17.3 pts (~17.3 attempts)
Now Rondo plays more minutes, so per 36 would have been better, but the point still stands. You're wrongly interpreting Rondo's lower playoff scoring as "Rondo is trying to run the offense more" so he doesn't shoot or score as much as a Paul, Curry or Deron (the more efficient guys). When the reality is that he shoots just as much, he just doesn't make as many shots or score as many points with the same attempts.
Also with all his assisting, Celtics Ortg since Rondo has carried a bigger load hasn't necessarily increased:
With Rondo: 100.9 Ortg
Without Rondo: 104.6 Ortg
With Rondo: .494 eFG%
Without Rondo: .509 eFG%
With Rondo: 15.2% TOV
Without Rondo: 15.8% TOV
11-12: 27th in Ortg, 10th eFG, 25th in TOV%
10-11: 18th in Ortg, 7th in eFG, 28th in TOV%
09-10: 15th in Ortg, 5th in eFG, 27th in TOV%
The overall Ortg is hurt because they don't crash the glass offensively and are a weak offensive rebounding team.
Rondo has his value, but he's not a great offensive PG because his own scoring is inefficient and he doesn't keep team turnovers down. On most teams, you don't want your PG to be shooting all the time like Westbrook, but you want him to be efficient if he's a lower option. Rondo also doesn't help space the floor, but Boston survives with big man spacers, a team like LAC would die. He get's a lot of assists, and is a very good passer, but it doesn't have specific correlation with their offense being more effective.
Commentators and his teammates made note of greater ball movement without him benefitting them, and honestly the greater reason is that Rondo dominates the ball and finds guys, which isn't necessarily bad, but when he scores himself, it's not efficient and that isn't beneficial to the team offensively. That's in comparison to Nash or Paul who dominate the ball, find guys, score very efficiently on their own, AND, something people neglect, suppress the teams turnovers by dominating the ball. Like previously mentioned, Rondo is a high turnover PG even relative to his assists and doesn't hold back team turnovers as the Celtics have been awful there the past few seasons.
Now, the bigger issues is that without him this season, the team was essentially the same on offense. A minimal 0.6% increase in TOV% which you would expect more without a solid PG. eFG% increased because while Rondo could find players, his own personal scoring was inefficient, so it didn't have an overall positive effect on that. This helps us also see that their high eFG% in previous seasons was not just due to what he was doing as a passer as people would like to narrate it, but the talents of the team on its own.
Steals don't indicate good defense. Rondo is a good defender, has been less consistent in that and doing more matador in recent years, but PG's are not defensive anchors. The Celtics defense is #1 because of KG and the coaching / system, not Rondo. That's why their defense didn't drop without Rondo, not because he's bad but because he's a PG and can't have the same impact on defense as a big man or a big versatile wing player.
EG: Rose doesn't get 1-2 steals, Bulls had a great defensive system and players, he was part of the #1 ranked defense in the league. Parker is no special defender and was past of great defensive Spurs teams anchored by Duncan. James Nelson was part of very good Orlando defenses. Mario Chalmers was part of a 6th ranked Miami defense in 09-10 (before Lebron and Bosh), and their 5th and 4th ranked defense the two seasons after. It's not the guards that spear head a great defense, it is bigs/versatile wings, and coaches.
Triple Double
Again, triple double is a great counting stat, it doesn't imply a player being better than another, I have no clue where people got this idea that it does. It implies a productive all-round game, but again, inefficient scoring, low scoring volume, great passing, below average shooting, good rebounding, and a high rebounding game once in a while doesn't make a player better than other.
Also not all triple doubles are made equal. A 30/12/11 triple double is very different from 12/10/10, and Paul has 11 triple doubles himself in comparison to Rondo's 17, not that it matters, but it's not like he lacks versatility. You won't to argue for a player based on a difference in 6 career games....
Paul averages 4.4 Rebs, 4.3 per 36 to Rondo's 4.5 rebs, 5.0 per 36 for his career. He averages 21/5/10 in the playoffs to Rondo's 15/6/9 (16/7/10 if you subtract his first playoffs). Per 36, Paul 19/5/9, Rondo without first playoffs 14/6/9. Honestly, you're arguing for a player being better because of 0.7 rebounds every 36 minutes.
Lamar Odom is more versatile than Duncan, he has 12 career triple doubles, but versatility is only an asset in comparison when the core is there. Odom is nowhere close to Duncan. A 15/9/5 player that can get triple doubles isn't better then a 20/11/3 player that gets on once in a while (if there's no large margin in some other aspect, ie, if the 15/9/5 guy isn't a DPOY, while the other is terrible on defense)
A player that scores more AND more efficiently in the flow of the offense while spreading the floor better, contributes positively to defense, is just as good or as effective of a playmaker, because good playmaking and running of an offense isn't indicated by total APG. That player is better.
Where the heck u get this stuff haha^^
Like I said in my previous post Tony Parker/ Rajon Rondo are 1A/1B.
Stop with all the stats John Hollinger. Your points are all useless. Rondo/Parker are champions. CP3 is not. It is what it is. You can argue numbers and stats with me when CP3 gets through a conference finals. To suggest Rondo is inferior to Paul is comical.
You also said "Those players that you list as better can't and haven't delivered titles" and one of "those" players I listed was Parker.
Let's ignore the fact that I'm using both the statistics and observation and just say "ignore the stats" because there is actually no real argument for Rondo being the best PG except for "look at how his team did".
...and that's exactly your problem you're still trying to argue that Rondo is better than others based on him winning a championship as a role player and the 4th best player on his team.
By this logic, there were a ton of players better than KG until 03-04, I mean "Kenyon Martin went to the finals two years in a row", what was KG doing, losing in the first round. Conclusion, Kenyon was the second best PF after Duncan who also went to the finals. He led the #1 defense, carried them offensively and as an emotional leader. Do you think that is solid logic? I mean if you do, then that's okay, and there's no point discussing / debating anything.
Now, what would be nice would be for you to address the points about the Celtics defense as the main reason. Their offense not declining, actually improving without Rondo, the fact that his own scoring doesn't actually improve an offense altogether, the fact that he's a spacing nightmare, the fact that his rebounding and "triple double threat" is far from something significant in the comparison you were making, especially to Paup who has 5 or 6 less triple doubles and averages 0.7 less rebounds per 36.
Address those issues, it would make this a much more interesting conversation and excerxcise in understanding and analyzing what's going on outside of just "this team won, this team lost, the end."
Supphector, there are many resources available, and I try to watch games without thinking "rjejwj final statistical output!!!". I don't just line up pts/rebs/assists, check out which team won and then say the biggest impact player was who,ever collected the best line. I also don't just look at pts scored at the end of the game. I like to see how those points are coming, what other value the players style brings, how beneficial his scoring is, because while pts are pts, not all individual scoring is made equal. 30 pts on 20 shots is very different from 30 pts on 30 shots.
If two teams take 80 FGA
I score 30 pts on 28 shots (1.07 pts/shot) and the rest of my team scores 53 pts on 52 shots (1.02 pts/shot), we end up with 83 pts, and people are like he scored 30! The opposition sores 79 pts because our defense is insane, we win. Praise goes to me for carrying the team with my 30 pts, which I partly did.
Another guy scores 22 pts on 17 shots (1.29 pts/shot), and the rest of his team scores 64 pts on 63 shots (1.02 pts/shot), we end up with 86 pts. Our defense is kinda meh, so the opposition scores 90 pts. We loose the game and the casual observe says "he should have put his team on his back", "why didn't he just shoot more and carry the offense". "It doesn't matter if he took 30 shots, if he scored 30 they would have had a chance".
This also doesn't take into account turnovers and possession usage. if I'm a lower turnover guy, the advantage increases. A lot of people don't actually realize that scoring more on lower efficiency while his team plays the same as the other guys team would actually produce a WORSE offense. That's why Kevin Durant vs the Grizzlies, even though he put up 28.8 pts, it took him 22.8 shots, and his team produced a terrible and far inferior offense to the Clippers who had Paul producing 22.8 pts on 15.3 shots.
If you can score efficiently and then create plays or draw attention that allows your team to produce effectively enough, you create a better team offense than someone who scores a lot more, but inefficiently and also draws draws defenders. Not to mention the other issues that come with one player shooting so much consistently like the teammates not getting in the flow, maybe not putting as much energy defensively (though certain coaching can fix that).
This is also what differentiated guys like Jordan, Kobe in his good playoff years, Lebron, etc. They scored a lot of points, but did it efficiently, but they are also top 10-15, All-Time level players, so...
Actually with that logic, Derek Fisher is better than all of them.
I have to agree with agent 0. If you want to go just on the visual do you really think that rondo could elevate the clippers the chris paul did, and literally carry the team for extended periods. I also believe that if chris paul was on those celtic teams they probably would of won another one or two titles.
I actually like rondo's game, and am not the biggest parker fan, but there are only a few players that can carry a team. Of all those players none of them seem to be lacking on the offensive side of the ball. Iggy is a great player, and if he had the offensive game to balance his game out he would be a superstar.
Speaking about efficiency I have to side with agent 0 as well. I think this is an easy subject if you look at it objectively.
Agent 0 turned me around on speights due to the efficiency matters topic. Once I really looked at Speights and his history, he really seems to settle for his jumper to much. This is not what I really want out of our big men unless we have dirk. Don't get me wrong I want someone who can hit an open 15 footer or further than 5 feet, but I don't want that to be their bread and butter. I coach my son's youth basketball team and always am preaching to go for the high percentage shot, get the lay up if you can or an easy bank shot if you got the angle, why wouldn't you want the same thing out of all your basketball players.
I know I got off subject there, but my point while no one is saying that rondo is not a good pg he is not on the same level as paul or some of the other guys mentioned. I believe that Williams is a stat guy and really doesn't have the same push as some of those other guys, and I believe that parker wouldn't be the same without the environment he got blessed with (Duncan and popovich coaching); but the argument could easily be made that they are closer than rondo.
Stop with all the stats John Hollinger. Your points are all useless. Rondo/Parker are champions. CP3 is not. It is what it is. You can argue numbers and stats with me when CP3 gets through a conference finals. To suggest Rondo is inferior to Paul is comical.
Actually with that logic, Derek Fisher is better than all of them.
Not really because Fish played in the triangle.
Exactly, Cahlmers is condisidered a champion twice so he MUST be better than Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, etc. lmfao I hate that logic and argument!
Exactly, Cahlmers is condisidered a champion twice so he MUST be better than Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, etc. lmfao I hate that logic and argument!
Chalmers doesn't handle point guard duties, he just plays the position. The ball is in Lebron's hand. Same with Kobe.
Dallas didn't win the title til Jason Kidd got there and ran the point.
PG don't need to be scorers.
Not really because Fish played in the triangle.
Yep and that's my point. Can't compare teams/systems success when looking at individual success/stats to see who is more productive or the better player.
When comparing the individual numbers both basic and advanced, Paul has the better overall numbers.
I know I got off subject there, but my point while no one is saying that rondo is not a good pg he is not on the same level as paul or some of the other guys mentioned. I believe that Williams is a stat guy and really doesn't have the same push as some of those other guys, and I believe that parker wouldn't be the same without the environment he got blessed with (Duncan and popovich coaching); but the argument could easily be made that they are closer than rondo.
Exactly, I think it is the word "overrated", people seem to interpret that as bad. No! Overrated doesn't mean bad! Rondo is a very good player, but he's not a superstar, he's not a franchise player, he has some big flaws that can be hidden on a good team, but not on others, and he has the luxury of playing next to other guys that carry the scoring load.
He is overrated when people play out a scenario where he's carrying a bunch of old Celtics and is the main factor in them winning games. The reality is that KG was their defensive anchor, AND leading scorer and most consistent performer in the post-season last year for example. Rondo initiates, creates, scores a little, defends well most of the time, but his impact just doesn't reach KG's two way impact.
Determining who is better just by which team has more success makes no sense. It implies that you are comparing apples to apples, when you're not, it's not logical at all.
Year before Boston:
31 year old Ray Allen: 24/4/4
29 year old Paul Pierce: 25/6/4
30 year old Kevin Garnett: 21/12/4
Go find the equivalent of those players in the league today, stick Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Stephen Curry, etc at PG and see how much winning happens. First of all you can't even really find that kind of combination of players that fit so well and can all shoot which is a PG's dream. SG that comes off screens, pick and pop / pick and roll big that you can throw lobs to, SF that can spot up and you can iso when you need baskets. What players in the league can fill those roles? You could make a sort of similar version...
Point Guard: - / - / - /
James Harden: 26/5/6
Paul George: 17/8/4
LaMarcus Aldridge: 21/9/3
Joakhim Noah: 12/11/4
That's something like what the Celtics team was, you just can't replicate them, there's no other Ray Allen around, George can score, but not like Pierce, but his defense is better. Aldridge is your KG because he's athletic and can shoot and post, but he doesn't have the defense or passing, so instead of Perkins, you have Noah to make up the deficiencies of Aldridge in comparison to KG. Maybe it's lost how good a team that was to put together in their early 30's. You could stick Mario Chalmers in there and be a great team.
If Paul was playing with those guys and he could never get over "the hump" and win, blast him all day, but saying he's worse than a guy because the guy who won as the 4th best player in a similar team while producing mediocre and poorly in the Conference Finals and Finals just has no logic to it.
Chalmers doesn't handle point guard duties, he just plays the position. The ball is in Lebron's hand. Same with Kobe.
PG don't need to be scorers.
PG's not needing to be scorers contradicts your argument that excludes Chalmers as a PG. You are correct in saying that Lebron is essentially the PG, but guess what? He's a scorer, yea, he isn't labelled "PG", but he plays the primary playmaker role on offense. Your primary playmaker can be a scorer, as long as they are good and efficient with it and as long as they get others involved. Kobe was a primary initiator and consistently went away from the triangle and didn't always pass, but he was a good enough scorer.
Jason Kidd also got to the finals scoring 19.6 and 20.1 PPG (yea, yea, he was not the most efficient scorer, but look at the opponents) in 01-02 and 02-03 on the back of an elite defense and yea, in a weak East, but still. He needed to score because of team makeup, so again, PG's might need to be scorers. On Dallas he was a role player and you again argue against yourself and add to the previous point, so was Kidd the best PG in the league in 10-11 because Dallas won? He played basically the exact same role Rondo did in 07-08 except he was better and was a floor spacer.
Chris Paul can't "not score" on a team with one other scorer in the starting lineup and that scorer has no reliable jumpshot. Chris Paul wasn't going to facilitate his way to any better playoff outcomes, so what's the point of mentioning that as if it is a hindrance to his success. Rondo could choose not score on a team that brought in three players who were averaging 20-21+ PPG before coming to the team. Now that he has to score more in the post-season, the offense is yuck.
Again, if you don't put context into things, how can we even have discussion?
I'm fine with accepting your Rondo best PG because of a championship as 4th best player argument as long as you're willing to tell me that until 07-08, you also believed that Kenyon Martin, 2 time NBA Finalist was better than KG who had never gotten past a Conference Finals; because of course being in the East or West, the talent of your teammates, and being the best player vs a secondary or even role player don't matter, just the end result, right? I wouldn't mind if you added Brand, Webber, Amare, and Jermaine O'neal to the list of guys Kenyon is better than. Maybe Dirk too because Kenyon had 2 Finals appearances vs 1 for Dirk at that time.
This is just so I at least know you are consistent with your argument.
I wouldn't want Haywood is take brandan wright over him? Unless Dallas resigns him as there backup center


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You're definitely not the only one.
I know there are more than 2 fans on this forum who are glad to see Doc on the sidelines but your thread just hasn't got going YET.
Haha you aren't the only one . Although I don't like how the league favors the coaches and players that keep berating and whining to the refs. It looks pretty petty at times but that's the way it is.
I've been an avid watcher of the Clippers since the last few years of Dunleavy sr's reign in town... Seeing us go from VDN to Doc Rivers puts a bit of joy into my basketball life. I love our offense now; I love what we're trying to do on defense; most of all, I love that we have a coach that can support and motivate the team. What a great trade we had this year with the cetlics.
I love seeing Doc on the sidelines too. Sometimes it's like a pinch-me-am-I-dreaming moment when I see him there doing his coaching thing. He looks so legit.
I've only been watching since the VDN era (late to the party, lol, but I'm here nonetheless) and it is night and day to go from Vinnie to Doc. The championship road is much clearer with Doc at the helm.
Maybe a bit too trivial of a thread.
A great coach gets respect from his players without asking. He commands their attention. They buy in. Doc's reputation, past accomplishments, and recent nifty moves as GM, solidifies his stature with the Clippers. The team will follow his lead. It is fun to watch.
Very. Although I've made gripes about shakier than usual rotations lately, he's pretty much been as good as advertised. More important even than the strategy/gameplan improvement... he's helped Blake and DJ take their games to new levels. I was a HUGE Vinny basher because I KNEW he was holding the players and team back. When Blake of all guys on the team is calling out your defensive schemes, you know there's a problem.
With Doc I've gotten annoyed with a couple minor things... but so much better than Vinny,it's astounding.
Yeah, seeing Doc on the sidelines for the first time this year, I had to stop and think, "This is really happening!"
Hahah! One of the greatest things to happen to this team already, especially when it comes to attracting FAs. Not only would they play in LA, but they get to play for Doc.
If we can hold up the defense and rebounding like the Houston game and better even more happy. May not have been our best defensive game but one of our better recent ones.
I love Doc, but I have to hold my judgment until playoffs. This is where we can see if Doc Rivers live up to his billing and gave us a championship ring. WCF and greater or bust!
If we don't make it to WCF, I wouldn't call it a bust.
It's his first year with the team, and the team hasn't really pinned the defensive system yet. Not to mention we haven't had the starting lineup together for a solid amount of time. I hope we win the whole thing, but I wouldn't call it a disappointment or bust if we don't. I would just have to give credit to Doc already, I mean all you really have to do is compare this team to last season's. Getting to the WCF or Finals will take more than Doc. The whole team has to do it together.
It depends on the players.
I think one reason Doc is so hard on refs is because his backup isn't to shabby himself. So if he gets thrown out. You know Alvin Gentry will just take the reigns
Bust may be too harsh a word for not making it out of the 2nd round again, but it would be a major disappointment. A blow in the earning respect department from the media...again.
put it this way, clips don't get past the 2nd round, bye bye DJ/Crawford, brand new team coming in. Were all in, THIS season
That's the furthest thing from the truth.
your ok with not getting past the 2nd round in 3 straight years? I'm pretty sure the front office isn't. Or Chris Paul. Change will definitely come if that happens IMO
It would definitely be a disappointment, but not with Doc... no way this team splits and rebuild after whatever it is that happens.
Maybe we lose Crawford regardless of how it goes, but I don't see us losing DJ.
Most likely a trip to the western conference championship game would ensure that this roster stays intact.
Doc has transformed this team, all last 3 season at the bottom of the league in 3pt defense, and now the very BEST. That plus DJ, our general defense, our offense, our Composure during opponent runs, our late game execution, our out of timeout plays, our Stone Cold demeanor in neck-to-neck games...
the core has had a whole year to learn Doc's system. We even added Davis for the bench and Granger to chip in and compete for the starting small forward spot. Last year we could legitimately make the excuse that we had a good team but an average coach, now that's not the case. We went out and got the best coach out there, and we even upgraded at the wings from last year. If we don't make it to the WCF this year will be a bust.
I get what you're saying, but we're just talking about Doc.
My point is, he already transformed this team... if we don't make it to those expectations, it's a whole team thing, not just Doc.
Doc can't go out there and help defend, or rebound the ball. I think we're forgetting, the thread topic is about Doc.
Is it just me that noticed that it is easier for a team to get a superstar player than to have a great coach like doc or pop? or was it always been this way??
Doc is that voice, that leader, that champion we needed to get us further than we've ever been. Glad he chose us and not anyone else.
You've got to admit it ... what Doc Rivers has done with Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan is absolute magic! No disrespect to Vinny Del Negro, but if the Clippers had kept him, they'd still be stuck in the middle of the playoff hunt and would've had no real shot at contention. He's changed the entire culture - starting with covering up the Laker banners on Clippers game days..
Can't be just me ... right??
It was not just you....It was Donald Sterling shelling out 23 million too
Doc has turned our defense around, from last in 3pt defense to top 5 that's the biggest improvement IMO!
No, it wasn't just you. While the record from Vinny's reign wasn't much different from what Doc has accomplished so far what has changed a lot is the growth of Blake and Deandre. Many people here were calling for the ouster of Vinny because we had a feeling that a top tier coach like Doc could mold and develop these players much better. Also, as others here have noted Doc's ability to change many things here was even given a vote of confidence by DTS. So much in fact that DTS even expanded Doc's role from simply head coach to VP.
This was huge. It was our achilles heel last year, and it was a key reason why we ended up with the 4th seed. We would lose a lot of easy games to teams like Cleveland because they would be allowed to shoot beyond the arc without contest.
Let's not forget about Mr. Alvin Gentry. You gotta give him his credit when it comes to Blake's development offensively.
It's nice to know that we have Doc & Alvin for the next 3 years. Best trade in Clippers franchise history was getting Doc
Chris was our most important trade in franchise history though.
Doc Rivers has been a great leader & coach for the team. I would give a lot of credit to Blake Girffin & DeAndre Jordan themselves for working hard to improve, however, in addition to Doc's guidance.
Good point. I forget about Alvin sometimes but he is a top level coach in his own right.
yeah, but unfortunately for us, most of the teams in the west got stronger as well. This includes GSW, Rockets, and most would argue SA and OKC got better as well.
I agree with you. I'm shocked that some teams actually haven't done as well as I projected. at the start of the season I expected us and GSW to be battling for 1st and 2nd.
I haven't posted much lately, but I had to comment here...just having Doc's presence over this entire franchise has been nothing short of miraculous so far. Having followed this team for twenty-plus years, Doc took this franchise to another level and we still have more to accomplish. I was more or less thinking about this very thing earlier today, and anyone who has followed the Clippers at least since the move to Staples that the transformation has to be traced back to Mike Dunleavy. No other coach prior to Dunleavy, as far as I can remember, wielded a lot of power within the orgranization like he did. There's no really need to harp on things he did wrong (or right), but he essentially laid the foundation for what the Clippers have today, without a doubt. With Doc, you can say the Clippers have "grown up" as an organization.
lol I'm sorry but that is got to be the worst picture of Doc I've ever seen hahhahaha
I wanted to start this topic to give Doc props and to shout him out for what seems to be a great year for the clippers. Since Doc has come into the organization we have improved every year. Two years ago we were almost dead last in protecting the 3 point line. This past year we were first in protecting the three point line and we did that with just having him for a year. DJ improved immensely and prob still have a lot more to improve. During this off season people started to kind of bash Doc for not doing this and not doing that but like others said on the forum he did the best he could. In my eyes once again he improved our biggest weakness last semester back up bigs. We got spencer hawes and big baby Davis. That to me is a good back up set of bigs. I think Doc deserves a little more praise and props because he has done a great job as a coach and as a GM and with time and practice like anything else I expect him to improve being a GM. With that being said I applaud DOC RIVERS
I thought Dudley was our Prop.
What do you mean I don't get you? Lol
What we all have to guard against is "Lakers Disease" or L.D.
L.D. is a debilitating and delusional mindset that brands any year without a chip a failure. With a thirty team League, twenty-nine teams will think they are failures-- if their fans catch the dreaded L.D. The problem is that Lakers fans conveniently forget that they did not win titles almost 70% of the time. As if Smush Parker never existed. Everyone should realize how hard it is to win an NBA title. Just ask LeBron after this year.
The best inoculation for L.D. is having an exciting team, a winning team and realizing that your team -- with breaks -- can win it all. Knowing that your Vegas bet for the Clips to be Champions will be in play through, at least, the first playoff round -- and maybe more.
If you use that standard, which any sane person should adopt, Doc has more than delivered. Yes, there was some luck -- drafting BG comes to mind -- but any success story includes some luck. And we will need even more luck to win the title this coming year.
But, from my personal -- and just about any -- perspective, Doc has given Los Angeles sports fans an exciting and winning alternative to watching the idiot son of a genius ruin the other NBA team in town.
Thanks, Doc!!!


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At the top of the hill I was back once again on the South Downs Way. It felt good to be back, if only for a short while.
I took a seat on a stile with my back to the wind so that I could have a quick look at my map and decide where I was heading. Actually I knew where I was heading, but just needed to confirm which path I was going to take, before I was off again, heading west.
It felt so good to be back on the South Downs Way, it wasn't particularly busy, but there were still more people on this short section of path than I had seen since getting off the bus an hour and a half ago.
I wondered where these people were going, some heading east, some heading west. Where had they started this morning? How far were they going today?
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This photo is a partner to the one that I showed a couple of days ago.
Here Ern (Henry Ernest Nye) has been replaced by Percy himself, flanked by his wife and sister-in-law. Presumably Ern is now the one behind the camera.
This was taken in July 1950 in Rochester, Kent. Percy described the visit is in his diary:
Tuesday with Doll & Ern went to Rochester, weather came out very bright but windy, it was a good ride, many years since we were there before.
It is very unusual to have an exact date for a photo, it was helped by having a location and a month and year on the back. This coupled with Percy's diary tells me that the Tuesday in question was the 11th July.


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Kate Vaughan (my 2x great-aunt) and four of her children sailed to Canada on the 19th September 1919, leaving behind her daughter Minnie to be looked after by my great-grandmother.
Presumably her new (and second) husband Patrick Vaughan had already returned home after serving with the Canadian Expeditionary Force during the First World War.
I wanted to find out more about Patrick and what became of the family once the had settled in Canada. Given that Kate took four children to Canada it seemed quite likely that I would have some cousins out in Canada (even if she didn't have any more children with Patrick) that might be able to tell me more about the family.
The problem was that I know almost nothing about family history research in Canada and I knew very little about what became of the family after they arrived.
The passenger list had told me that they were bound for Tabor (or Taber) in Alberta but of course there was no guarantee that they actually ended up there. Of course I also knew that Patrick had been a soldier, and hopefully there would be a record of his service that would give me some more clues.
A good start was finding that Library and Archives Canada have digitised attestation records from the First World War and they are available to search on their website. There is really only one likely record for Patrick Vaughan which provides a few interesting details, but of course it doesn't mention Kate, his next of kin was his sister Elizabeth.
Although it describes him as a widower, which matches his marriage certificate, the age given is about three years out. Interestingly it states that Patrick was born in Ireland, where his sister still lived.
Unfortunately Patrick's full service record has not been digitised yet. I could wait patiently for it to be done or I could send the LAC some money to get them to digitise it. I never like parting with my money unless I am 100% certain, and there is just not enough information yet for me to be 100% certain, that this is the right man.


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Discipline. He had an emotional meltdown and was sent to the locker room via team security by Doc.
I don't think he is being used right -
Doc is making him play too close to the hoop when he is a midrange guy.
Ok apparently, doc said baby wasn't emotionally in the game and trying to hijack the game emotionally.
I know, I feel bad for the guy. Dude just can't catch a break.
What happened to Jeremy? And what did the fans do
Doc really showed great moxie to discipline Big Baby for being too emotionally off kilter when he was on the bench. I hope BB learns from this and moves forward in a positive way.
Lin is a good player in a bad it situation believe he will bounce back on his next team.
Davis should be locked in for the next game.
He played like a scrub. Seems like the scapegoat for Rockets fans every time they lose a game lol.
He Can't play Defense and he's going to cost 14 million next year, how bad is his situation. I like Lin but he's just a good scorer, not great but good.
His defense is so-so. What I notice is that he gets burned a lot because he takes Harden's defensive assignment or has to help him. Its like Harden doesn't care about D at all. So lazy.
Thats why he isn't a superstar. Horrific defender.
This pretty much he was overpaid but on a new deal and on a team like the Magic he could flourish.
Are you still talking about Harden or Lin?
Glaring flaws??? LOL...you are the one who needs perspective. DJ has had an all star type year. Leads the league in two categories, 3rd in another, never misses a game and is one of the best centers in the league with his best still to come. Great team player and is not only in serious discussion for Defensive player of the year but also MIP. Anybody who is still doubting is probably doing so because they probably were the ones screaming to trade him for KG. Thank goodness we didn't make that trade because it would've been one of the worst trades in franchise history.
"Nobody puts Baby in the corner" - except Doc... f*cking gangsta move!
Message to Houston - "Well will beat you anytime, anyhow, anywhere".
Lin. Magic have a long term hole at PG.
Hollins should get back into the rotation if matched up against good length teams.
Good defense tonight from Dudley, Bullock and Green.
Was I the only one that thought how dare mchale hack DJ when he complains when that is done to dwight? And has a terrible foul shooter in asik? Seriously?
Bullock was garbage tonight. Maybe a spell in a blowout might raise his game, but the kid isn't ready for big-boy ball.
Agree with you on Duds and Willie, though.
Agree, Davis doesn't have big contribution, he should concentrate on defense instead, Hollins i think was intimidated and played well in a limited minutes.
What a game, and what an amazing job by Chris Paul going ballistic MVP mode after Blake Griffin went down in the first quarter. Just an absolutely masterful performance by CP3- hit 3's, setup teammates for dunks/layups, played great D, rebounded- you name it, he did it.
The guys really had a very poor 14 minutes or so of the game, but the defense showed up big time after that. The small ball strategy paid off. Guys were rotating, not allowing any open 3's by Houston, rotating to challenge Rocket drives to the hoop. Truly a great team effort defensively. Big props to Barnes, Collison, Green, and DJ especially for that. On offense, Jamal carried the load in the third quarter when CP had to go out, and helped keep Houston at bay.
Not sure why Glen Davis was so upset- I guess he exploded after Doc Rivers took him out in lieu of Ryan Hollins early in the second quarter. Ryan had some solid minutes, so if Davis is going to act like all entitled, he better step up and play better. Shut up and play hard.
Hopefully Blake's back spasms are not too serious- knock on wood that it's just a one or two game thing.
You are a very wise man to agree with me.
I remember when Duds stopped a 3 man fastbreak by himself.
Woa, 3 man? It was a 4v1 fastbreak and he put on his bear face, that might never happen again for him
That hardly happens for anyone.
Davis is getting a good amount of mid-range jumpers, and he's shooting 75% at the basket as a Clipper so far, obviously higher than what he usually does as for his career he shoots 61%. His shot distribution is almost exactly the same as his career, so in not sure about the accuracy of the statement that he is being used incorrectly.
Bullock played well in the birthday game and everyone sucked in the Denver game both big minutes games. Even then Bullock had some nice defensive hustle plays in that Denver game. Against Houston he missed his two shots but he was out there in the second when we got stops and Paul carried the offense.


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Happy pre-Valetine's Day to those in relationships, and for those not in a relationship, you can do a green or blue smokey eye in protest. Angst!
Hope that was helpful and have fun practicing. Let me know in the comments your Valentine's Day plans are and whether they are pink or blue. ;)
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This interesting item was another souvenir sent from Australia by the BATEMANs to family back 'home' in England. Unfortunately there is nothing to indicate when it was sent or to which member of the family it was sent.
It consists of an embroidered handkerchief (at least I think that it is embroidered) pinned inside a piece of folded card, so that the embroidery is visible through the circular whole cut out of the front of the card. Unfortunately some of the colour has run, so both the card and handkerchief have a slight red tinge to them. The embroidery is apparently of the bloom of the waratah.
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�The band started as a vehicle for original songs I was writing,� Nielsen said from San Francisco. �I�ve always been a songwriter, I guess. One day, I felt the muse in my head and songs poured out, and I started writing them down. That has led us to where we are now.�
Tracorum is touring the West behind their new release �Tricked.� It was recorded at Prairie Sun Studios, a revamped chicken farm-turned studio about an hour north of the Bay. It�s a place of rock royalty, even boasting some hand-me-down equipment that was once used by The Who.
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We need this win bad. We have to come out hungry and stop this inferior team!
I hope Clippers play with gusto and not play down to the Jazz's level. Clippers need this win!
After two losses on the road, they BETTER play with gusto at home! lol
After those two hard losses I have a feeling we will blow the Jazz out. Hopefully I am right.
You would think,but,the Jazz are a pretty bad team and we know how we prepare for those types,
This starts a key stretch in which only 6 of the next 19 games are against teams that currently have winning records.
Let's run these guys out of their gym. If we take care of business, we'll win this one easily.
No Hollins tonight for personal reasons apparently. A Mullens siting tonight?
No Mullens - small ball
Trap game.
Jazz though, are a better team than their record indicates. Injury to start of season to Trey hurt them.
Not an easy game but if we play our game we can easily win this one.
Oh boy. This is definitely a trap game. Clippers off to a poor start with 4 turnovers already.
Pretty ugly so far
Blake's gotta stop with the early fouls. We need him too badly.
This game sucks.
All hesitation shots by Crawford.
Chris looks out of sorts. Dudley is the same unfortunately. Barnes I'm still angry with from the Portland game. Let's hope they pick it up. Nice. Play by barnes and dj.
They are trying to find a groove right now. I'm not worried at all
Who the heck is this guy?
Did someone come up with at time machine? Last time I saw Richard Jefferson play he stunk up the place. Today he looks like Richard of old, not old.
S-Jax looks good right now! Could be the new Willie Green!
I'm so jealous of portland's three point shooting
I Have never seen so many "fouled" jumpshots come on!
Do we foul a three point shooter every game?
This years Willie?
Or last years Willie?? Right now he looks like this season Willie.
We need to stop playing like @ss. Blake in foul trouble. JC hesitating. Dudley missing shots. Ugh.
Awful first quarter by the Clips. I hope they pick up steam and get out of this trap and start making some more baskets. What happened to our 3-ball? Yikes.
Killer Mullens attack. Lol
Its been so long i forgot how terrible mullens was...
Man Mullens is so bad.
Willie got greedy again.
Willie and Mullens are so detrimental. We need to exterminate them from this team permanently Omg
It would help if we stopped passing to Willie. Collison was open to shoot.
So that's what happening when Mullens tries posting up...
Clippers are out of sorts. I hope they start finding their groove pretty soon or it could get really ugly.
Somebody's changing channels on my link. It's weird. lol
wow... That line up of Collison, Jackson, Barnes, Green, and Mullens was so hard to watch... No scoring threat.
WHAT is BG doing tonight? He needs to stop hesitating and KILL these guys!
Crawford gets no fouls on drives. He needs to start driving for fouls instead of buckets cause this is ridiculous
Let me know when the game start.
This looks like a bad D league game.
It's really strange how Clippers play down to their opponent's level especially when they are the bottom of the barrel. Lol. I'm still hoping Clips will get something going and actually be in the lead and stay there.
About time for a bingo for Dudley, lol. I hope this is a start of something!
It would be awesome if our SG's could score.
Once we get JJ and Reggie Back we will be at full power. Man do i miss jj
Something weird right now for those who love the + and -
Everyone who has played for Clippers today is -2. Everyone!!!
LOL, must be because of the Mullens effect.
BG's beasting now, but we can't stop their shooting.
We can't play any worse than this, so...
I swear, Dudley is like a child that constantly does bad things until his parents finally scold him. Then he'll give you 2-3 days of being good, but reverts back to doing bad things again.