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DENVER � Gays and lesbians celebrated a long-awaited victory Tuesday morning when the Legislature approved a bill for civil unions.
The vote came 21 years after Colorado voters adopted Amendment 2, a law that prohibited gay-rights laws and was later overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court.
It came just more than six years after Colorado voters banned gay marriage and rejected domestic partnerships for same-sex couples.
And it came less than a year after an unprecedented shutdown of the House of Representatives by Republicans who wanted to prevent a civil-unions bill from getting a vote last year.
Sentiment about the issue � as well as Colorado political landscape � has changed quickly. On Tuesday, it was a Colorado Springs Democrat who noted the gravity of the moment.
�For thousands of people across Colorado, today is a day that will be remembered for the rest of their lives,� said Rep. Pete Lee. �Today, March 12, 2013, is a day that will live in their hearts, because it is a day that we fulfill Colorado�s constitutional promise, which grants everyone inalienable rights to enjoy their lives and liberty, to seek and obtain their happiness.�
The measure grants gay couples rights similar to marriage, including enhanced inheritance and parental rights. People in civil unions also would have the ability to make medical decisions for their partners.
Senate Bill 11 passed the House 39-26.
Locally, Rep. Mike McLachlan, D-Durango, voted for the bill, while Rep. Don Coram, R-Montrose, opposed it. Last month, Sen. Ellen Roberts, R-Durango, was the only Republican to vote for SB 11 in the upper chamber.
Several dozen people watching from the House gallery left smiling and hugging, and some wiped away tears of joy.
Once the measure is signed, Colorado will join a dozen other states that have civil unions or similar laws. Six states allow gay marriage.
�This is the best step toward equality Colorado could take right now. I�m thankful we got it done,� said Katy Jensen, a 34-year-old Denver engineer who plans a civil union with her partner after the bill becomes law on May 1.
Last year, Democratic Sen. Jessie Ulibarri, a gay lawmaker serving his first term, was among those in the House gallery with his children, watching as Republicans used their one-vote majority in the House to prevent the measure from being debated in the waning hours of the session, thus killing the bill.
�I sat with my kids at midnight, wondering what was going to happen the next time we had a tragedy. What would happen if I had to take my kids to the ER, and then I was questioned whether or not I was really their dad,� said Ulibarri, one of eight gay Democratic lawmakers serving in the Colorado Legislature.
Civil unions for gay couples became a rallying cry for Democrats who took control of the Colorado House in last year�s elections, and they vowed an early vote on the proposal.
�Elections have consequences,� said Republican Rep. Frank McNulty, the former House speaker.
Democrats now control both chambers of the Legislature, and the party elected Colorado�s first gay House speaker, Mark Ferrandino. He sponsored the bill.
�The people spoke in November, and we are fulfilling a promise we made at the end of last session,� Ferrandino said Tuesday.
Most Republicans opposed the bill, which grants rights equal to marriage under state law to either same-sex or opposite-sex couples.
Rep. Chris Holbert, R-Parker, lamented the lack of a �conscience clause� for people who oppose homosexuality on religious grounds to refuse to serve same-sex couples. He thinks churches could be sued for refusing to rent out their chapels for civil-union ceremonies.
�I have every confidence that question will be tested in court,� Holbert said.
However, Democrats said the bill exempts churches. It does, however, require nonprofits and businesses run by religious organizations � such as adoption agencies � to follow anti-discrimination laws.
Republicans also argued civil unions were too similar to marriage, and that they would undermine the institution of marriage.
�Civil unions are not marriage. They are something that are separate, and distinct, and lesser, and unequal,� Democratic Sen. Pat Steadman said. �And that really is not good enough. We passed this bill because this is the best we can do.�
When asked, five of the eight gay Democratic lawmakers said after the vote that they would get civil unions. It was a difficult question for Steadman, whose longtime partner, Dave Misner, died of cancer last year.
�Some of us don�t get that opportunity,� Steadman said.
Rep. Cheri Gerou, R-Evergreen, was one of two Republicans to vote for the bill Tuesday. She jabbed Republican leaders for thwarting last year�s bill, which did have the conscience clause that Republicans tried and failed to add in this week�s debate.
�All those amendments made it onto the bill that was before us last year. It never made it to the floor,� Gerou said.
The bill now goes to Gov. John Hickenlooper, who has said he will sign it.
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George T. Drumwright, Jr. may have retired from his position as deputy county manager for Henrico.
But on Sept. 14, Drumwright's friends at Henricus Historical Park let him know emphatically that he will not be allowed to retire from his role as a Henricus Foundation board member and long-time volunteer.
At a reception honoring Drumwright and celebrating the opening of 2012 Publick Days, friends, family, colleagues and fellow members of the Henricus Foundation Board of Trustees gathered to dedicate the Drumwright Education Fund, a component of the Henricus Annual Fund that will enable the Foundation to expand interactive history program offerings for students.
Drumwright's colleagues also presented him with gifts and mementos, and spoke at length about his 25 years of contributions to the park.
Henricus Executive Director Charles Lewis Grant pointed out that when Drumwright first became involved, the park was just a place "covered in vines."
Today, Henricus boasts a dozen re-created colonial structures, including a hospital, parsonage, tobacco barn and planter's house.
"But it's not just about the buildings," emphasized John Siddall, chairman of the Henricus Foundation. "It's about the 25,000 schoolchildren that come through here every year."
And the Drumwright Education Fund, added Grant, will help students from the most disadvantaged schools gain access to park programs.
"If they can't get here," said Grant, "we go to them."
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Siddall, who led off his remarks by telling Drumwright, "The first thing I want to say is you are not retiring from here," also praised Drumwright's role in supporting the partnership between Chesterfield and Henrico counties that has helped made the park so successful.
Through a fluke of history, said Siddall, both counties own land in Henricus -- even though today's park lies south of the James River in what is technically Chesterfield.
During the Civil War, Union troops began digging a new channel near the James so they could bypass Confederate fortifications that blocked approaches to Richmond. The new channel, completed after the war, left a part of Henrico across the river — surrounded by water.
"Because of this, we benefit," said Siddall, "and not only because we have this beautiful bluff. We also benefit from a great partnership between Chesterfield and Henrico; we get the support of both counties."
Ken Perry, former chairman of the board, noted that Drumwright had first visited the site in 1977. "I visited this site in 1985," said Perry, "and we both saw the same things: a bunch of trees and a beautiful river view."
He and Drumwright worked together on the board for 15 years, said Perry, during which the jurisdictional cooperation was "marvelous."
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Dorothy Jaeckle, vice chairman of the board, recalled that when first elected to the Chesterfield County Board of Supervisors, she was taken aback by the number of boards on which she was expected to serve, and overwhelmed by the steep learning curve required to learn about the various organizations.
Appointed to the Henricus board because the park was in her district, Jaeckle said that joining a board with Drumwright only magnified her feelings of inadequacy.
"George was the one," she said, "who took the sickle and cleared the way in [to the historical area]. He knew every last inch of this place." But her feelings of inadequacy were soon eased, said Jaeckle, because Drumwright was so clearly passionate about the park, and made it clear that he wanted only to share his knowledge of it with others.
Chesterfield County Manager Jay Stegmaier, noting that Henricus was recently named the best park in Central Virginia by readers of Richmond.com, credited Drumwright with being one of the key players that helped the park succeed.
"You've become an icon for Central Virginia," Stegmaier told Drumwright, jokingly inviting him to use a sword to carve his initials in a tree on the site. "[Henricus] is a treasure for Chesterfield and Henrico County, and it's rapidly becoming a treasure for the entire country."
"And," added Stegmaier, echoing the previous speakers, "we're not going to let you totally retire."
A radiant light
In thanking his colleagues for gifts that included colonial-era replicas of a hat and a lantern, Drumwright cited "huge support" from the community as his inspiration, and noted that like the lantern, Henricus had blossomed from a tiny spark of a concept into a radiant light.
Only days before, said Drumwright, students visiting the park from Lucille Brown Middle School had been using a newly re-created platform overlooking the bluff to calculate the trajectory of cannon fire needed to bridge the river – demonstrating just one of the unique hands-on lessons that the park provides to schoolchildren.
Upon being presented with a sword, Drumwright reminisced about his first job in Norfolk, during which he occasionally perched on the rails of a replica ship and played the role of pirate.
"We used to break these swords once a week," he said, "fighting each other."
Everything a miracle
As the celebration moved into the dinner-and-music phase – featuring favorite Drumwright band Steve Bassett and Friends – incoming Henrico County Manager John Vithoulkas read a letter from Tuckahoe Supervisor and fellow Henricus board member Pat O'Bannon, who could not be present at the celebration.
Addressing Drumwright, O'Bannon wrote, "Before Google, George, we had you to ask for answers. Now we can ask Google, but it's not nearly as good."
Thanking Drumwright for serving as a mentor, O'Bannon went on to quote Albert Einstein, who once said, "There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle, and you can live as if everything is a miracle."
"George," wrote O'Bannon,"lives his life as if everything is a miracle."
Echoing O'Bannon's sentiment, Vithoulkas recalled visiting the undeveloped, overgrown future site of Henricus decades ago, when he worked under Stegmaier as a budget analyst.
"It wasn't nearly what we've got here now," said Vithoulkas.
"George, you've done a phenomenal job."
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Imagine going through life so fearful that it is nearly impossible to meet new people, go to unfamiliar places or try unique experiences. Your fears keep you from making friends or experiencing life.
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Patrick Williams and Brad King stole the stage when Aiken Community Playhouse opened with its comedic yet "raunchy" musical "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" in September.
Now, Jamie Turner and Kasie Granner will be two of the leading ladies to close out ACP's season with its play-within-a-play, musical comedy, "The Drowsy Chaperone."
"It will be explained during the play," said director Juli Davis about the play.
Perhaps, it's because the show is not set up like a typical musical. The Woman, i.e. the narrator played by Turner, will take the audience through her favorite childhood musical, called – you guessed it – "The Drowsy Chaperone."
Turner, as she plays "Drowsy" on her record player, narrates the story to the audience. And, as she narrates, the musical comes to life – right in her very own apartment.
"She interacts with the cast, but they never see her," Davis said. "They are in her imagination."
However, when Turner has something important to say, she will stop the record, the actors will freeze, and all attention will be on her.
And when she's done, she will resume the show.
This is where Granner comes in. Granner plays Janet, the "quintessential ingenue," as her co-star Betsy Wilson-Mahoney put it. Janet is a starlet who falls in love. Now, she wants to give up her career to be married to a man she barely knows – Robert, played by Tim McFall.
Granner is new to the Playhouse but has acted in Greenville before she came to Aiken.
"I was a 3-year-old with a bowl cut in my first play," she said, and she has been in theater ever since, mainly sticking to musicals.
Mahoney, on the other hand, has been with the Playhouse for 37 years, her first role being Wendy in "Peter Pan."
Mahoney plays The Drowsy Chaperone, the woman who has to look after Janet.
Though their backgrounds might be different, there is one thing the two actors share – both come from a strong theatrical family.
Granner's mom is a director, brother is a lighting designer and grandfather is a set builder. You can find Mahoney's mother's picture at the Playhouse in the cast of "South Pacific," and her daughter, a recent college graduate, is involved in theater, as well.
"It's what's made us so close," Granner commented, thinking about all the rehearsals and theater-related moments she and her family have shared.
Joining them on stage will be Sallye Rich as Tottendale, Tom Nance as Feldzieg, Lisa Tharp-Bernard as Kitty, Billy Bernard as the Underling, John Gillespie as George, the best man, Sarah Cushman as Gangster One, Elizabeth Cahill as Gangster Two, Adam Shults as Aldolpho and Michele Kellrooney as Trix.
"I've learned years ago, as long as you surround yourself with a good cast and a good crew, (directing) is not difficult," Davis said. "I was very lucky with the people I was able to cast in these parts."
This is Davis' first time directing a musical; before now, she has only acted in and assisted in directing them. The first play she directed was "A Christmas Story." She has been with the Playhouse for 13 years.
"The Drowsy Chaperone" opens Friday at 8 p.m. and has no intermission. The show also runs Saturday at 8 p.m., and Sunday at 3 p.m., as well as May 31, June 1, 7 and 8 at 8 p.m., and June 2 at 3 p.m. The show contains adults themes.
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To purchase tickets, call 803-648-1438 or visit www.aikencommunityplayhouse.com.
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Staff photo by Stephanie Turner Robert, played by Tim McFall, picks up the best man at his wedding, George, played by John Gillespie, during a rehearsal for the upcoming "The Drowsy Chaperone."×
Staff photo by Stephanie Turner Kitty, played by Lisa Tharp-Bernard, interacts with Feldzieg, played by Tom Nance, during a rehearsal for "The Drowsy Chaperone."×


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I commented last week on the rather poor bus service serving the village of Fulking at the foot of the South Downs, in West Sussex.
Today however I read that the rather sparse service of two buses a week (the No. 62 between Midhurst and Brighton) will be withdrawn from September 2012.
West Sussex County Council's latest (and supposedly final) round of bus subsidy cuts will reduce some bus services and lead to the complete withdrawal of others.
The reason for the withdrawal of this service is said to be down "to insufficient passenger numbers", not surprising really, a service consisting of only two buses a week was never going to be successful in making people give up their cars and take the bus.
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It seemed like only a matter of time some help for the bullpen was summoned.
The Reds optioned rookie reliever Logan Ondrusek to Triple-A Louisville on Thursday. Carlos Fisher was recalled from Louisville to take his place.
Ondrusek made the team out of Spring Training with 10 scoreless innings, but had some rough outings once the regular season started. In nine appearances, he had an 11.25 ERA with 12 hits and five walks over eight innings.
Fisher has worked eight scoreless innings for Louisville with only one hit allowed among the 24 batters he's faced. He's walked one and struck out eight.
Reds lineup:
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Cabrera 6
Votto 3
Phillips 4
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Bruce 9
Stubbs 8
Hanigan 2
Leake 1
*Dusty Baker wasn't too chatty when the topic of Aaron Harang came up. From the sound of it, it doesn't appear that Harang will be moved out of the rotation.
"I can't tell you before I talk to him," Baker said. "Plus, we're talking about it but this guy is getting paid handsomely to be a starter. At this point, who do you have to take his place? And we need him to win. It's four starts. If it was 14 starts, it'd be a different thing."
*Drew Stubbs was moved down to seventh. Stubbs is in a 0-for19 funk with 10 Ks.
"It takes a little pressure off of him. Plus when you're struggling and you're leading off, you're prone for 0-for-5 in a minute. They add up quickly because you come up more than anybody in the game."
*A Stubbs, Dickerson, Bruce outfield should cover lots and lots of ground, right?
"When we're not playing as well as we should, you have to go with your best defensive team out there, especially with a guy like Leake that throws strikes," Baker said. "They're going to put it into play."
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Oh, crap. You mean we have to endure 10 more of these unlucky starts?
Remember when the knock on Hannigan was his inability to drive in runs – not this year. The radio announcers commented on the advisability of running out the same lineup tonight. We'll see. I've been plugging for Janish, but Cabrera leads the team in RBI. Still, I see plays almost every game that Cabrera misses thatI think Hanish would make. Meanwhile, is this the year of botched tosses-to-pitcher-covering-first and pitchers-botching-throws-to-first or what? I really think pitchers need to spend more time on fielding in Spring Training. It's been awful this year, and not just for the Reds. In fact, the Reds have looked better than average, but the average is pretty low.
Hey, here's something interesting from the stats – the Padres pitchers have given up fewer than 1/2 the earned runs allowed by the Reds (in one fewer games). The teams' hitting is pretty comparable – but the Padres' ERA is 2.82, the reds's over 5.
I can't pretend to know much about baseball,but someone tell me if Any of the starting pitchers have had an effective breaking pitch so far this season. Looks to me like they're all having to et by with fast balls and changeups and it's not working.


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I have been having a bit of a sort out today, nothing major just catching up on some paperwork and a bit of filing, a bit of scanning and a bit of file organisation on my PC. Also I decided today that I really ought to digitize my CD collection so that the originals can be boxed up and put in storage, but that is another story.
Whilst sorting out some stuff I rediscovered the photo below which I purchased last year that I never got around to showing you.
If you were reading my blog at the start of last year of last year you will remember that I spent a long-time working on the GEERINGs of Hailsham, Sussex. Well this photo is of their shop, or rather what became of their shop. The great thing about this photo is the amount of detail. Looking closely you can see what was on offer in the shop and even read the boards to the left of the doorway.
These boards give great dating evidence for the photo, the two on the left both have the date of Saturday May 22nd, and there are plenty of headlines to enable us to find out what year it was. The shop windows are full of patriotic souvenirs and photos of Queen Victoria indicating that it was a jubilee year, checking in The Times newspaper to find out when the Queen visited Sheffield confirms that it was in 1897 the year of Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee.
I have previous featured a postcard of the shop on this blog, and paid a visit to the shop last year when visiting Hailsham. It is now a newsagents, but still recognisable if you look above the shop windows. It is particularly nice to see that over 110 years later it was still possible to by photo frames from the same shop!
I have often thought that I should put together a report on the history of the building, listing all the different owners over the years. Perhaps this year if time permits I will make a start on it.


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The 14th to 18th May 2012 is Walk to Work Week in the UK and although I would love to walk all the way to work it would probably take me six or seven hours so that is not really practical. However I did my bit this morning by getting off the train one station early and walking the last bit.
I have to admit that this a route I regularly take when the weather is good and time permits. It is not a particularly long walk (only about 1¼ miles) and not particularly exciting or picturesque, but on a bright sunny day like this morning it a great way to start the day.
To me there is something a bit strange about starting a walk in Gatwick Airport, it is a great place to start a journey, but few people will be making that journey on foot like me. Getting out of the airport building can be a bit challenging if you are not sure where you are going.
I have to admit that descending the unmarked stairs at shuttle terminal always makes me feel a little uneasy, it feels a little like I am going behind the scenes, perhaps somewhere I shouldn't be going. As passengers wait for the shuttle above I emerge out into a world of concrete and car parks as the shuttle rumbles overhead.
Amongst the concrete however there is one rather unexpected glimpse of nature, a stream carefully funnelled through the grounds of the airport, surprisingly clean although that may just be an indication that a large volume of water has passed through here in the last few weeks, washing any accumulation of rubbish further downstream.
To the mix of concrete and car parks you can also add chain link. For about a third of a mile the path is enclosed by two tall chain link fences. To the west the car parks, to the east the railway line. Surprisingly this path is part of the Sussex Border Path, probably its least glamorous section, but for those tracing the Sussex border relief from the concrete and chain link is not far away across the other side of the railway.
For those with an interest in boundaries, passing under the bridge carrying the A23 over the railway line takes you from the county of West Sussex and into Surrey. Not surprisingly there are no signs marking this transition, only lines on a map, however hardly a day goes past without me noticing the crossing.
The end of the chain link fences marks a watershed, those following the border path head east over the railway footbridge. Those like me heading for Horley turn east and then north and chain link is replaced by wooden garden fences and residential streets. In the far distance, on a clear day, one gets a glimpse of the North Downs in the gaps between the houses, but really the only interest now is the contents of people's recycling baskets along the side of the pavement.
Above the pavements however there is something else which catches my eye, an unlikely point of interest among these residential streets. A simple but for some reason unexpectedly pleasing wooden finial upon the top of a telegraph pole. This example was not unique, I counted three today, but they must count as a rarity these days.


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Carbon nanotubes (CNTs) add strength and design flexibility to many materials, from reinforcing adhesives and materials used in electronics to enhancing the design of carbon fiber composites for use in cars and aerospace applications. But there's been increasing evidence that they, along with other nanoscale materials, may pose risks to human health and the environment. In ongoing research efforts to determine just how toxic they actually are, researchers at Texas Tech University have come up with a new method for detecting CNTs in soils.
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He probably knows he's beating him out.
Have you seen Casey's record as coach? This is his first winning season. Up until now, his best season was a 34 win season.
By the way, he's not "literally" the joke of the coaching profession. Not sure how Casey's comment amounts to VDN being a joke. lol
Casey is at the bottom of the barrel of coaches. he he...
How do they look now based on what VDN did versus what Casey did? Funny stuff...
Casey is a mediocre coach at best. Honestly I think VDN is better and I consider him an averagish coach. Ask Raptors fans what they think about Casey. They will tell you how horrible he is. Watching the Raptors play sometimes I wonder if they were outright trying to tank with the dumb **** Casey did.
^ Casey makes Vinny look like Popovich. He hacked DJ for like 8 minutes of gametime in the 3rd quarter when they came to town, when our stars were resting and DJ was in with the bench. His reward? ...they closed a 20-point gap to 18. The quarter took over 40 minutes, and our horses would have been rested enough to play the entire 4th... if we'd needed them.
The man's a f**king idiot... fortunately, I was sitting close enough to him to tell him so.
Casey is mediocre, but still better than VDN. The Raptors would be chilling in the basement alongside the Sixers and Bucks with VDN as coach.
Not sure there's really much support for your argument JQuick. Vinny isn't a high level coach, but Vinny has actually done a decent job of getting wins relative to his talent level. Dwyane Casey was almost forced into coaching better because Ujiri made moves to get rid of the players he didn't know how to use properly (eg: Rudy Gay). Let's not get carried away now.
I think this is actually because he doesn't have good luck in job interviews where VDN has also been a candidate, this isn't in any way saying anything about Vinny's coaching ability. Don't reach.
All indicators, facts, and reality says otherwise. Are you trying to convince us, or yourself?
Now that is an argument to be had, on who is better. Vinny or Casey? I think Casey has had much less talent, but he hasn't shown anything with the chances he's had outside of maybe this year. Which it's hard to tell how much of that is Casey, or the Eastern Conference, players developing on their own, or due to him? Vinny may have just let players do their thing or get out of the way, but either way he has more results to show. He's also had better talent.
Since I doubt many of us don't watch too many games where Casey is coaching this would be a very uneducated guess. This is where things get tricky for us fans in my opinion. Results can be misleading. Basing off recent results you would think that Vinny is a better coach then Adelman, but there is very little you could tell me to ever make me believe that. I saw a lot of his SAC and Houston years, and have no doubt he is a much better coach than Vinny.
An argument can always be made but you can't argue the facts. Talent or no talent, VDN has accomplished more. Isn't that how coaches are judged? Pops, Doc, and Phil have had some of the best accumulated talent in their winning years so would you use the same measuring stick on those guys? think about it real hard. You can't have it both ways.
Since I doubt many of us don't watch too many games where Casey is coaching this would be a very uneducated guess. This is where things get tricky for us fans in my opinion. Results can be misleading. Basing off recent results you would think that Vinny is a better coach then Adelman, but there is very little you could tell me to ever make me believe that. I saw a lot of his SAC and Houston years, and have no doubt he is a much better coach than Vinny.
It isn't an uneducated guess. I'm going off of facts and all indicators show that VDN is a better coach. based on recent results, VDN is better than Adelman if you compare RECENT records. Now is VDN the better overall coach? HELL NO! Adelman is a very decorated coach that is known to make the most out of what he's dealt...he just seems like his time has past.
I was agreeing with you guys that stats say that Vinny is better, but if you take things out of context then what are we arguing. If you give me a prime MJ, Magic, Pippen, Malone, and Olajuwon I could beat Phil Jackson if he has you, Cleepers, and three guys off the street. Would that make me a better coach than Phil Jackson? I don't think that's how that works. Now if we are talking similarly talented teams, I wouldn't have a chance.
Context has to count for something, shouldn't improvements in a team's play count for something. What about more with less? Do we have to go strictly off wins and losses? I'm saying if we don't watch the team and are only going off the wins and losses without considering the variables included then yes it is an uneducated guess. If you watch a ton of Toronto games and have monitored Casey's teams for awhile, be my guest and educate us on this. If you haven't your guess is as good as mine, and neither really has any substance. You could argue that he had more wins and someone else could argue that he had less talent. It would be a pointless argument. Now if a Toronto fan (or someone who has watched them enough to see improvement or lack thereof), came in here and said Casey hasn't done anything and looks lost or he is great and just needs a few more great players I would be inclined to hear them out.
You weren't agreeing with us, you were conceding the fact in the first sentence and then questioning what you just conceded in the rest of your response. In other words, 99% of your post was about why you don't agree.
Ok, lets play that game. How are you going to measure "improvements"? What other than winning % are we going to measure both coaches? You tell me? You're proposing other ways to measure who's better yet in your very next sentence you admit you don't know much about the Raptors. My original statement was that VDN is much better than Casey when it comes to accomplishments and winning. Is that a lie or a fact? If you want to argue that point, you better come back with a solid, well thought out argument...Not some, "there should be other ways to measure who's better". My argument was supplemented with facts. So what are you arguing about if you don't have one? I mean a argument that you can substantiate.
Ok, then let me be clear when it comes to accomplishments I agree with you. Vinny has accomplished more.
When it comes to determining who is a better coach, I believe there are more variables than just your win/loss columns. Is there a lot of Isolation play on offense, is there some type of consistency on how they cover certain types of plays such as PnR. Putting your players in position to play to their strengths. Keeping them motivated. Something like what you find in the link below:
http://www.ramfanatic.com/Basketball/ho ... etball.htm
Is it subjective? Yes, there are some stats that can come into play but variables such as talent come into play in a lot of those too. I think once you watch the games you can tell to an extent if there is things going on that can be blamed on the players or the system or lack thereof.
Random thought, but imagine having VDN and Grant Hill guest host an episode of NBA Gametime? That'd be REAL awkward.
Here is Jamal Crawford's explanation about Doc vs Vinny (can't post the link from Bleacher Report) --
In a little over a week, the Los Angeles Clippers will begin the 2013-14 NBA playoffs as one of the most balanced, dangerous teams in the race.
Most basketball experts will point to Chris Paul as L.A.'s unquestioned leader and MVP. But if you ask Jamal Crawford, who recently spoke with Dime's Spencer Lund, we should be handing that trophy to someone else entirely:
But Doc [Rivers] has truly been the MVP of our team. I think getting everybody to buy in from day 1. It's coming from a guy - and that's no disrespect to anybody else, because I was a big Vinny Del Negro guy - but it's more Doc. ... If you want to be a championship-level you kind of have to have a championship-level coach. Someone that's actually won it, or been there. You know he's done both, so we've all bought in, and he's been the true MVP of this season.
We've seen plenty of examples over the years of NBA players throwing former coaches-or former teammates, for that matter-under the bus.
This isn't exactly that. Think of it more like throwing someone under one of those giant plastic gerbil balls people use to roll down hills. Would getting run over by one of those feel uncomfortable? Sure. Would the city road crew have to come down and scrape you off the sidewalk? Nah.
In three seasons as the Clippers head coach, Del Negro amassed a win-loss record of 128-102. Considering L.A.'s longstanding status as an NBA laughingstock, that's pretty darn good.
But with a team built around the superstar stylings of Paul and Blake Griffin-to say nothing of its increasingly potent supporting cast-good simply wasn't good enough.
Enter Doc Rivers, whose unquestioned coaching chops have paid immediate and lasting dividends for the traditionally moribund franchise.
Back in February, Bleacher Report's Oren Friedman underscored just how valuable Doc's playoff experience-the science of X's and O's, the psychology of Jims and Joes-will be to a franchise looking to steal its first championship:
Lob City needs a confident commander, fluid with his X's and O's and upfront in his decision-making process. Paul needs a coach he can lean on and Jordan needs the trust of the man holding the clipboard. With Rivers at the helm, the Clips should not expect to go easily in the postseason. Clipper Nation should be confident that Rivers' ability to mange his players and develop key schemes in game-to-game adjustments should be pivotal, once the postseason begins.
It's an aura that Del Negro, for all his player-friendly strengths, simply didn't have.
Still, don't be surprised if another team-one as similarly up-and-coming as the Clips once were-takes a flier on Del Negro this offseason.
As for the Clippers, well, we're pretty sure Doc isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
So we witness our first season with Doc Rivers. Result: one more win regular season + Round 2 of the playoff.
Vinny Del Negro's best performance: 56 wins, 17 games winning streak, Round 2 of the playoff
After experiencing Rivers' first season performance, many people believe that Doc is up and beyond than Vinny Del Negro. However, I feel that this season also showed that Vinny was not bad of a coach that everyone think. It's unfortunate that he had been scapegoat because he does not have a championship accolade like Doc. If Doc did not have the ring, many fans would be more critical of Doc.
Remember, Doc had been coaching many years more than Vinny and Vinny is still a relatively young coach, so there are always room to improve.
So objectively (if you can), what you think the performance and the contrast between both Doc and Vinny 's coaching scheme?
Vinny wasn't that bad but Doc is much better. I don't think you can judge Doc just on this season alone but rather his coaching career. He he is a proven leader. It seems to me that the players respect Doc much more than they did Vinny. Out of bounds and time out plays have been a lot more efficient this year. Most of all, I am pretty damn confident that Doc handled the Sterling and all the adversity we faced during playoffs MUCH better than Vinny would have.
lol I was a big Vinny supporter and caught a lot of flack for it. I was not a fan of the CP trade and caught flack for it. I am not saying I was right or anything, but I was right. None of these moves have made use ACTUALLY more competitive.
Imagine how this team would of played with vinny as a coach during this donald stuff. I cringe just thinking about it
Notice how nobody is even remotely interested in hiring VDN after failing in Chicago and LA - and the NBA is notorious for recycling bad coaches!
Anyone pointing out Vinny's win total is being strictly results-oriented and ignoring the process. The fact is, he had no offensive system, his defensive system was a gimmick that changed based on opponent and wasn't going to work in the playoffs, he made zero adjustments, he had no idea how to draw up a play, and his substitutions and timeout usage were consistently baffling. On top of that, he feuded with his front office and alienated his players in both Chicago and LA. Vinny was never a good coach and the revisionist history is getting tiresome.
2012, 2013: "This team should be in the WCF... Vinny del Negro is holding us back... Chris Paul is the REAL leader."
2014: "This team should be in the WCF... Chris Paul is holding us back... He chokes in the playoffs."
Now THAT'S revisionist history!
Context is everything...correct. The 50 wins can also mean the teams in the West won more games against teams in the East than last season. The East was really bad this season so maybe the higher win totals were up in the West. I haven't looked it up nor do I want to but I know the West ran the table on the East this season.
You're assuming that I ever said the first thing. If anything, it would be Blake being held back if VDN were retained.
Yet for some reason, Doc barely edged VDN with more talent, system, six man of the year, new and improved DJ, and third runner up in MVP voting. lol
To be fair, once you get up into the mid-to-high 50 win range, there's not much room for improvement there in a stacked Western Conference. I'd argue that Vinny had more talent, as last year's bench was far superior to this year's bench, and that's the sole reason why he won so many regular season games despite his utter failure at X's and O's, motivation, preparation, and making adjustments.
MAN! We just can't catch a break...
Please. This year's bench was better than last season. You had 4-5 starters from last season coming off the bench. Maybe Doc didn't use the talent he had wisely. Plus, Doc had great assistant coaches that would make VDN's look like amateurs. Put hey, if Doc is so much more superior, why couldn't he coach a "weaker" (LOL) bench into playing better? Isn't that where you separate a mediocre coach from a great coach?
You really have no argument. You're grasping at straws now.
Nah, it couldn't have been you, because you only joined recently... it was a guy who called himself 82-0. He hated Vinny passionately, was constantly negative about the team and posted from an IP address in the very same neighborhood in Boston that you post from. Here's one of his posts from a year ago. Sounds a lot like somebody we know...
Vinny's "Chris Paul Offense" has done nothing but minimize the strengths of our franchise players. Blake gets minimized as well by the ball being taken out of his hands for long stretches of the game against good teams.
I truly cannot comprehend how so-called Clipper fans can sit there and watch Vinny get outcoached over and over again while drastically misusing our franchise players and still claim this is good coaching and call people "trolls" for criticizing it.
he was banned for being a total prick, but you guys should probably grab a beer together sometime. I bet you'd get along really well
I said in the beginning of the season we're second round max. Doc maximizes the talent. Barnes and Redick are bench palyers who had to perform starter minutes. VDN has a borderline all star in Bledsoe and he didn't know how to maximize him. Maybe part of the reason Ebled trade value weren't very high since VDN had no idea how to play him in the playoff
Anyone who thinks VDN right now is on the same level as Doc is either delusional or just likes debating for the sake of debating (im guessing the latter). There is a reason why he is unemployed.
Doc was the GM though, a few of us saw the potential of Paul and Bledsoe together in a backcourt. Doc is the one that traded him away. He had all the chance to keep him. He had a few options:
1) Start Bledsoe at SG next to Paul, he chose Redick
2) Move Jamal and insert Bledsoe into the 6th man SG/PG role and get another wing who plays backup SF, he chose Jamal
...so maybe Doc also didn't realize what he had in Bledsoe, and if he watched so much film about last year, he should have. He wanted to get the shooting, but while he got the shooting (though Dudley failed), he didn't get enough of a balance in wing defense. Paul is our best wing defender. Even Durant gets to hide on Mario Chalmers in a series vs Miami, even Westbrook gets to guard someone else while Jackson or Sefolosha guards CP in crunch time, even Parker gets to get the worst perimeter player while Green and Leonard guard the better ones. Paul on the other hand guards Curry, Westbrook and even Durant.
I think Doc is a better coach. I think he's more adept at making adjustments, unlike Vinny, I didn't have the thought of why don't we make this player related adjustments this time. He's much better at out of bounds plays, but he's one of the best at that as acknowledged by everyone. He has the players buying in, which Vinny struggled with, his defensive system was better and more consistent, but our defensive personnel was worse this year (but hey, who needs defensive players off the bench, right? Just need players that can score!). Doc is a better coach, but I'm still far from sold on Doc the GM.
This year's bench was "better"? We had no backup big, Barnes who was supposed to be the bench spark plug defensively was moved to the starting lineup, Danny was trash, Hedo got injured and he's really a 3 as Blake mentioned, and Baby is severely undersized without shot blocking ability, and HE was the main man off the bench. I don't even know how u can complain when JJ was injured all season, Paul missed 18 games and we ended up with the 3rd best record in the entire conference that is probably the best it ever was, Bledsoe ain't here Butler ain't here... What do you want Doc to do? DO you want him to go and hold the ball and not turn it over like CP did? You want him to come on the court and NOT foul Russ on a bad chuck 3??!! DO you want HIM to come and make the Last shot of the game and not turn it over? DO YOU? DIDN'T think so, now shut the F**K up!
Actually this may get interesting for me as a VDN hater. I'm going to just share a few points.
VDN's rotations drove me INSANE. Doc's, while not as bad, are pretty damn mediocre himself. Especially in the playoffs and later in the season I was left scratching my head constantly. Like why the hell did the guy let starters rest so long, while other teams are playing theirs 40+ minutes? It cost us many games IMO.
Doc is SIGNIFICANTLY better as a motivator and overall game manager. His substitutions suck, but his strategies are good.
I'm learning the common denominator for this team.. is the players. They are still a bunch of entitled primadonna's. They wait until they get punched in the mouth to compete CONSTANTLY. They take any sort of success for granted. They shrink under pressure time and time again, although this year they were a little tougher.
Well that's why I've been screaming for 2 years for us to get a GM but cheap racist Sterling messed it up.
The Bledsoe trade have to be made because Bledsoe is going to bolt out anyways. You may as well get someone out of it which is Redick. I'm not blaming on Doc whatsoever. I'm waiting on a full offseason with Doc to see what he can do.
I rather have someone who is young and hungry aka Steven Adams from OKC. Where do teams find gems like him?
It has to be made but it was made when his value was an all time low because he was mostly benched in the playoff.
No, it's not debating for the sake of debating or people being delusional but one has to ask the question since the end result was basically the same, no? I mean, all lot of people were saying last season that all we needed was a good coach...I am assuming you were one of them, no? Well, what's the excuse this time? We had arguably the best roster ever , one of the best coaches, and the most payroll we've ever had. Ok champ, for the sake of argument, give me your take so some of delusional fans don't have to debate for the sake of debating.
We got bounced in the first round last year and got swept by the spurs. We had a borderline all star coming off the bench last year, Jamal, Barnes, and odom. If we go by name recognition, we had the best roster this year but last year was clearly better. I don't remember us getting bounce in the first round, nor getting swept by an average of double digit.
2012-2013- I said prior to the season when the roster were compiled we were second round best. But we got bounced in the first round and missed the golden opportunity at the easiest path to WCF
2013-2014- I said before the season that we were second round best and without Paul choking, I would have been eating crow. I'm disappointed that we are no longer playing but I didn't have much of an expectation on this paper thin roster without a serious wing defender.
Yes, the bench was more stacked than last season. Turiaf, Odom, and Bledsoe are the only guys that left. we got Hedu, Garnger, Big baby, Collison, and Dudley in return. You mean to tell me that last year's bench was better? That's insane! Lets not look at the results, but the talent involved. The result might have been due to not playing them enough to get into rhythm, Granger was often pulled on the first mistake. Dudley did suck but that was Doc's choice to be our starter. Guess what? Doc wanted a undersized big in big baby. So pleas stop your nonsense. plus, Doc used the starters more than the bench so that also falls on Doc.
So CP3 missed 18 games? Well, he missed 13 games last season. Billups missed 60 games. Eric Bledsoe missed 16 games. Hill missed 53 games.
there you have it. There is your counter argument....Now STFU!
You want to talk like that to me because I am critical of your god? Then expect the same in return.
Even though this was his best year, Bledsoe wasn't even close to being an all-star.
Just off the top of my head here are 5 Guys who would have been taken ahead of him in the West:
Goran Dragic,
Anthony Davis,
DeMarcus Cousins,
Mike Conley,
Tim Duncan.
Solid arguments could also be made for Monta Ellis, David Lee, Klay Thompson, DeAndre Jordan, Serge Ibaka and even Jamal Crawford and Nick Young as bench players.
Yes I absolutely wanted Vinny out because I didn't feel like he had the full respect of our players which is very important. Doc commands the respect from our players and the whole NBA organization. That alone is enough to say having him as our leader is better then Vinny because its not like Vinny was a great with the X's and O's.
You shouldn't compare or judge coaches based on 1 year. But even if you do, Doc still had a better year this year than Vinny every did with the Clippers. We had our best regular season ever. We led the league in defending the 3 point line (i think) and DJ became a force. We made it to 6 games in the 2nd round of the playoffs all while overcoming all the Sterling drama. Don't underestimate the influence that Doc Rivers must have had on our players during that time to keep them somewhat focused. Although its impossible to know for sure, I am pretty confident that we would have completely fell apart had we been under the leadership of Vinny or many other coaches.
Its hard to even believe we are even having this conversation. But there are always a few devils advocates. I'm sure there are 1 or 2 people saying Vinny was better than Thibideau too.
If our CEO Parson hire a real GM who has the time to scout young players instead of picking up past their prime off the waiver then we'll be set.
So you can't really fault on Doc for that. It was Vinny who bench Bledsoe and should have trade him a year prior. So you can't blame Doc's GM role because as the season goes on, Bledsoe value would only go down despite how he's play. Everyone expect Bledsoe to bolt for bigger money.
I can't say that the bench of last season was better than this season. It's comparing apples to oranges. That team is built completely different than this year team. For example, last year bench have more playing time, but even that, that doesn't help us past first round. Our bench this year was more situation roles which guys like Granger, Big Baby, and Collison was to fill gaps until the starting coming in. I can't say much about the Vinny team through.
Are you SERIOUS right now? Last year's bench: Bledsoe, JCross, Barnes, Turiaf, Odom. Just the simple fact that we had Barnes there makes it at least twice better. Bledsoe was worth the whole bench this season with the exception of Crawford, he was blocking D-Wade. This season: Cllison, JCross, Granger, Baby, and Hollins who never played. Barnes is miles better than Granger, COllison and Bledsoe I'll call it a tie just for kicks, but Baby was the ONLY big man off the bench, without the shotblocking of Turiaf, his defensive presence, and Odom's playmaking, and Hedo was just a glorified chucker who played no defense. ANd just the simple fact that we had an extra sf last year that could play makes last year's team BETTER.
And with this team we were one monumental brain sh*t away from going UP 3-2 in the semis, last year we lost in the 1st round, IMPROVEMENT! I think yes...
So wait what you are saying is VDN had a better bench with less talent there. Nice i guess we see who got more out of their respectable benches than.
While you think there are a few devil's advocates, I think they're just making others think for once. A lot of people thought the simple solution was just to replace VDN with ANY other coach. A lot of people thought even first time coaches would be an upgrade. People where complaining about how we were just sitting on our hands while other teams were swooping in on all the "clear' upgrade coaches that were picked up. Some of which had never coached a game as a head coach. I was one of them that said we should wait more and glad we did. We got a great coach and one that I felt was an upgrade. With that said, my point in this discussion is to point out that even with a clear upgrade, the outcome wasn't that significant...Even you would admit that. Had the FO listened to most of YOU guys, we would have got the first coach that wanted the job. I was always against that. You think if we took a chance on a first time coach just cause he held a clipboard for a great coach, we would have had the same results? I think not.
So basically, this is to all the haters that thought any coach would have netted us the same, or better success under the VDN regime. Bottom line, not even a great coach as Doc is a sure fire way to get us over the hump. We had the talent and we had the core together enough to make it happen...It didn't. And lets just say that some of Doc's choices helped make that happen.
VDN wanted to trade Ariza for Butler and how many of the same people crying over that non-trade are the same one that wanted VDN gone? Thank you!
So you're saying that VDN got better production out of his bench than DOC? Gotcha! You're saying that Doc should have kept Bledsoe and kept Barnes on the bench instead of starting him? You saying Doc should have went after bigs instead of trying to get players he played with? Seems to me that you're confused. You're making it seem like Doc is incompetent.
Bottom line is that all those who said that Vinny was the one thing stopping us from being conference finalists were wrong. We replaced him with one of only a handful of guys that all of us agreed was a clear upgrade and we still didn't make it, despite a higher seed and going into the postseason fully healthy.
I said it last year and the year before, and I'll say it again... the recipe for success is much more complex than just switching out a single person.