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Dr. John N. Withers, a part-time Durango resident and former columnist for The Durango Herald, died Sunday, March 3, in Kihei, Hawaii, while snorkeling. He was 79.
Dr. Withers was born in Gary, Ind., on Feb. 6, 1934, to Jack and Lucile Withers. The family later homesteaded between Mancos and Dolores, part of which became Summit Lake. His father, Jack Withers had long-standing connections with the area, having graduated from Mancos High School in 1918.
The family farmed pinto beans for the Army during World War I, and lived in a railroad boxcar during the summers. The family eventually lost the contract and the land, and moved to the Denver area.
Dr. Withers attended the University of Colorado School of Medicine from 1955 to his graduation in 1959. He married his first wife, Lois Johnson Sax, while in medical school, but the couple later divorced when he went to Vietnam. Dr. Withers did his general surgical residency at Tripler Army Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii, from 1960 to 1964. He also was chief of general surgery at MacDonald Army Hospital, Ft. Eustis, Va.; commanding officer of the 17th Field Hospital in Saigon, Vietnam, from 1966 to 1967.
He was chief of general surgery at Ft. Carson Army Hospital in Colorado Springs; was in general surgical practice on Maui, Hawaii, from 1968-1995, and chief of surgery and chief of staff at Maui Memorial Hospital. He practiced general surgery in Durango from 1995-2011.
He also served with the Indian Health Service and worked with Native American tribes in Arizona, Oklahoma and Montana.
Dr. Withers became a board-certified surgeon with the American Board of Surgery 1965 and held memberships in the American College of Surgeons, American Hernia Society, American Medical Association, La Plata Medical Society, and the Colorado Medical Society.
On June 17, 1972, he married, Carole Royds, in Kaupakalua, Maui. Carole Withers now runs Durango Wildlife Rehab Center. The couple moved to Durango in 1995.
He earned honors in college as Phi Beta Kappa, as well as the U.S. Army�s Legion of Merit for services in Vietnam 1967 and Hawaii�s Outstanding Physician of the Year in 1983.
Dr. Withers served as chairman of La Plata County chapter of the American Cancer Society and president of La Plata Medical Society. He was an avid fly fisherman and had a group of Durango-area friends called the �Geezers� who met weekly.
Dr. Withers wrote a medical column the Herald from the mid-1990s to 2005, and had written a column for The Maui News as well. He retired from medicine in 2011.
Carole Withers said her husband swam every day, and the waters in front of the house are rife with whales and turtles this time of year. Last week, while sea kayaking he bumped into a humpback whale and calf.
Dr. Withers is survived by his wife Carole of Maui and Durango, sons Nathan of Albuquerque and Noel of Maui; daughters Jenny Greenwood of Spokane, Wash., Debra Johnson of Seattle and �hanai� daughter Sara Moore of Kona, Hawaii; and three grandchildren.
Dr. Withers will be cremated, and a private memorial service was held Sunday in Hawaii. A remembrance will be conducted in Durango in the spring.


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While some of you are debating who's the better coach, here's a great read about Doc's beginning adventure as coach of the LA Clippers. Very well written with a little style by Paul Flannery. Take a time out and enjoy:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/4/1/55 ... s-clippers
^ I think you missed the point. I'm not debating who's better, just whether Vinny was really as terrible as some people like to think.
Nice article, though.
I love doc, he is an excellent coach and I think the values he has instilled in our younger players is priceless. I feel much better knowing he is at the helm. Anyone know if he still brings up the Ubuntu concept? No one has mentioned it.
I agree, a lot of us last season blamed coaching for failures. How are people feeling this year? I really hope we can advance to conference finals but it's so hard to picture beating spurs or thunder in seven games without home court. Sort of demoralizing
Didn't miss the point and for sure not singling you out mate. I just though this was an interesting well written expose'. Keep up the good fight though as I know you always do.
I'm also in the corner that thinks Vinny wasn't as bad as some here made him out to be. Sorta like what some people thought of DJ.
What a great read. Thanks for posting the link!
Doc has really changed the Clippers organization for the better and it's wonderful all his players have bought in. He may not be using the word "Ubuntu" now, but the concepts and spirit of team togetherness certainly are present and all the players are better because of it.


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�We have the perfect vehicle for this,� said Whole Foods co-founder John Mackey, who has not discussed the plan with other media. �Think of it as a center where people would go for a day, a weekend or a week for healthy lifestyle education.�
The resort � which would use Whole Foods in its name � likely would open in or near downtown Austin, Texas, where the company plans to expand its headquarters, perhaps within the next three years, he said.
The company is negotiating for real estate � and searching for the right hotel chain to operate the health resort, Mackey said. Opening additional health resorts would depend on the success � or failure � of this one, he said.
The better-for-you trend remains a multibillion-dollar industry, even in a tough economy. While hit hard early in the economic downturn, the 346-store Whole Foods chain has come roaring back, with its sales and stock price up handsomely. The move into the health-resort business would mark a continuing evolution from selling healthy food to promoting an active lifestyle.
A health resort � in the mold of Canyon Ranch or Pritikin Center � could be a huge hit that catapults the brand in new directions, or it could be a flop, Mackey said.
�It�s an experiment, and you never know if experiments will be successful or not,� he said.
For example, he said, the five education-focused Wellness Clubs that Whole Foods has tested in a handful of stores have not worked.
�It wasn�t a total bomb,� he said, �but we couldn�t reach critical mass.�
The health-resort idea came from an in-house program to improve eating and lifestyle habits of Whole Foods employees � focused on weight loss and reduction in blood pressure and cholesterol.
�I�ve seen it improve the lives of hundreds of our team members,� Mackey said.
Now, Mackey wants to spread the concept beyond staff.
Brand guru Robert Passikoff said the move could be a slam dunk.
�To move from natural foods to natural spas works,� said Passikoff, noting that Whole Foods ranks first in brand recognition in the natural foods category. �Whole Foods is really a category unto itself.�
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awesome. you were able to get a butler pic from last night. kudos. love how it looks.
i love the banner but mo williams looks out of place. why is he looking at the corner? lol. put a different mo pic.
Hmmm, 5 all-stars on our banner? I think I can live with that.
Great job, Joe!
easier said then done... it's hard to add all those fades to the pix...
Be my guest. Ask Mo if he'll pose for you. That way, we'll get the pic you like best. Of course, that's sarcasm.
Reason why I like that, is because of the way his body is positioned. I really don't care where they look, just that the all look good together.
Billups, CP3, and Butler are looking somewhere else too, if we want to get technical.
True. I've designed some graphics before so I can appreciate the time Joe spent on this. I actually thought he wouldn't even get Butler in until Christmas day, but someone's obviously been on the red bull. Once again, excellent work.
GOOD STUFF! Darker > Lighter, IMHO.
Good job!!
Might as well just make it a 3 person banner, CP3, DeAndre and Blake. Probably the only 3 guys that will stay with us long term ( Butler and Chauncey are too old IMO to make 5+ year stays with us ).
The banner that is up now is pretty awesome. Good job Joe.
By the way, CP3 does look a lot better now.
Awesome job! Thought Caron was Baron Davis for a second
cut mo out? lol
and put Jamal in his place? haha I mean, he's gonna be here for another 4 years so there won't be a new update in awhile.
Yea Crawford for Mo seems long term. Odom may bail after year so he shouldn't be added.
you could replace mo with crawford, but just make sure you put a bench behind him. oh and some dollar signs on DJ's eyes.
CJ my vote is for the darker one.
Great Job.
Can you make a pic of them pissing on the Lakers? Their heads on pissing stick figures maybe? Just curious.
I'll update bit once we get pics of the players. David also wants a white banner to match. I can come up with ideas, but it has to blend in.
awesome, can't wait to see your ideas joe!
Yeah we'll wait until when our roster is set- who knows what might happen. I want to see Bledsoe & Odom on the banner as well. I'm sure Joe will make it look awesome once there are pics for him to use!
How about a mobile version of this forum? During the clips/grizz series, I'd periodically pop in the grizz forum and saw that they had a nice mobile version for iphone, other mobile devices etc. when browsing their board.
I love the original banner but we no longer have mo williams lets have a competition who can make the best one
What are you gonna use? Photshop?
What are the prizes?
I wanna do it but we gotta ask david first.
I'm gonna ask my brother to help!
If it's not too much trouble, maybe get BG a few shades lighter.
We have like the best topbuzz banner, thanks to joe!
I guess a competition is democratic, but sight unseen, Clipper*Joe's banner gets my vote if he cares to submit one.
The guy has been a horse for this site in my 2 years here. Badass graphics and even better video-editing.
Some of the newbies might want to check out his youtube channel to see what they've been missing...
is david the site admin for every topbuzz?
damn hill crawford odom all deserve a spot! so does ebled!
All these new kids trying to steal Joes job... My vote goes to what ever banner Joe submits
I think we should keep the same banner and just replace Mo with either Odom or Crawford
bledsoe is our best defender tho.. he should get some props up there.... maybe that would show him that the fans really do lke him being here and when its his turn to extend he wont try to sign somewhere else to up his value.. all the players really pay attention to this site and their feelings get hurt when people dont show love all the time
lol if that is true I bet Ryan Gomes feels horrible
i agree with the idea addition of bledsoe. he deserves a spot up there. i actually wanted him instead of mo. lol
the replacement face? i personally would like to see lamar up there, if nothing else to piss off the laker lookers on our site, but who should be next?
I think all of them should be on there.
I think David needs to put his own face up there,,really confuse the trolls.
Ralph lawler!
Lawler, DTS & the 3 headed monster in the FO!!!
The team is so deep we probably have to put almost everyone on the roster! Maybe the starting 5 should be the biggest faces, then 6-7 man a little smaller then all other roll players small on the sides, but still given recognition!
Everyone man! Clippers so good you gotta put everyone's face, and yes DTS too.
Put Joe Kelly up there!
I think I just cackled.
Ryan Gomes has a mirror and a TV, im sure he feels horrible all the time
lol thats messed up!
Just put my picture in there I'm a Clipper (fan) for LIFE!!
I think we should leave it to Joe... dude knows his stuff. As long as he'll promise that when we win the title, the banner will be Donald kissing the Larry'O surrounded by hookers.
Mo is long gone, peeps.


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Xi to guide CCP from revolution to rule
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HONG KONG - The Chinese Communist Party has began idealizing plans by Vice-President Xi Jinping to transform the CCP from a "revolutionary" into a "ruling party" weeks before his expected elevation to the position of president at the party's 18th National Congress,
Xi mentioned the strategy as early as September 2008 at the opening ceremony of a new academic year for the Central Party School - the CCP's top training center of which Xi is president.
He said the CCP had matured from a party of revolution into one which "holds the power to rule the country in the long term". He called on all party members, especially officials, to adapt themselves to this fundamental change. At that time, many hailed
his remarks as a significant theoretical breakthrough for the CCP to explicitly bid farewell to "revolution" and "class struggle" - the core ideas of Marxism and Maoist thought. [1]
However, the CCP has waiting until weeks before Xi is endorsed as the No 1 party to elaborate on his ideals. The congress is scheduled to be held on November 8.
The October 11 issue of People's Tribune, a biweekly magazine published by the People's Daily - the party's flagship newspaper, carried a special package of seven articles that discussed the importance of establishing a "modern" or "new" political outlook.
People's Tribune claims to be the most influential political periodical in China, with "every issue sent to central, provincial, municipal and county leaders". Hence it can be certain that the unusual call for establishing a "new political outlook" has had a green-light from the very top.
An introduction to the special package says that upon the 63th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China (PRC) and right before the 18th party congress, an urgent problem facing the party is how it could escape the fate of the "historical periodicity" [of one dynasty rising, then decaying and dying] to continue to lead the Chinese nation on a course of revitalization.
The first article of the package, written by Gong Fangbin, a professor with the National Defense University of the People's Liberation Army, frankly admits that the Chinese people do not feel any happier today despite great achievements in economic development made through reform and opening up in past three decades. On the contrary, social conflicts seem to have escalated. There are many reasons. But the fundamental one is stagnation in restructuring the political system. As a result, the currently political system no longer fits to the economic system that has undertaken fundamental changes in past 30 years.
Everyone is aware of the problem. So why has political restructuring not been launched so far? Gong blames this on the CCP's failure to establish a "new political outlook" in keeping with for its transformation from a "party of revolution" into China's "ruling party".
There are great differences between leading a revolution and ruling a country. "The language of revolution is violence, while ruling a country stresses on balance and compromise. Fighting a revolution needs to highlight and even intensify class struggle, but ruling a country must eliminate [social] conflicts and narrow differences… Fighting a revolution is to safeguard the interests of one class by depriving the interests of another class, but a ruling party must satisfy the interests of all social strata and groups... etc.," Gong writes, adding that therefore it is impractical and non-operational to use theories for a revolution as the party's guidance after it comes in power.
Another writer Wang Changjiang, a professor with the Central Party School, points out that the mentality of being a party of revolution still influences the CCP's perception of today's problems. One reason for its failure to change this mentality is due to vested-interest groups' striving to safeguard their vested interests.
Xu Yaotong, a research professor with the National School of Administration, maintains that for the mentality change from a revolutionary party to a ruling one, the CCP must establish and respect the rule of law, give up ideology-led propaganda and cease to launch political movements targeting certain groups of people in society. For a ruling party must work and be responsible for all people in society, not a certain part or parts of them.
The seven writers, all known scholars in China, stress the importance for the CCP as a ruling party to establish and respect the rule of law. A revolutionary party means to destroy the existing social order and rule of law, but a ruling party must build and maintain these. They all agree that for the CCP to truly behave as a ruling party, it must put itself and all its officials under the law instead of above the law.
Their sharp remarks pinpoint the problems facing today's China. How to deal with them? They all agree that the CCP must start political reforms, and introduce and expand democracy if it wants to continue remaining the ruling party of China. But like Xi, the democratization they talk about seems to improve CCP's rule so that it could, hopefully, remain as China's sole ruling party forever. Democratization to pave the way for a multi-party politics is out of question, since multi-party politics imply that the CCP may lose its ruling status. So what such democratization will achieve is still anyone's guess.
Gong says the establishment of a "new political outlook", ie discarding a revolutionary mentality to become a ruling party, will mark the third major theoretical breakthrough in the CCP's history. Mao Zedong made the first breakthrough to win the victory of the revolution. Deng Xiaoping made the second breakthrough to pave way for reform and opening up. Now the rise of the Chinese nation in the world relies on the third breakthrough. Gong himself stops short of saying it, but his argument clearly implies that if Xi could achieve this, he would become the third monumental leader in CCP history.
Changing the CCP's revolutionary mentality is itself a revolutionary move, which will require political wisdom and courage. This is the case as the shift implies giving up the orthodox definition of a political party by Marxist, Leninist and Maoist thought - that political parties are products of class struggles with each party representing the interests of a certain social class, and the communist party is the vanguard of the working class. The CCP constitution still stipulates just that: "The CCP is the vanguard of the Chinese proletariat ... The highest ideal and ultimate goal of the party is to achieve communism."
This despite in fact the CCP has already become an "all-people" party since 1997 when it began to recruit "red-capitalists" as its members. The CCP boasts to have 80 million members today. Hence one out of 10 people aged 18 or above in China is a communist party member (about a quarter of the 1.3 billion Chinese population are below 18). Surely, they must come from various social sectors. Apparently theorization of this change in the nature of the party far lags behind practice.
The mentalit UA-3625887-1area shape= SRC=0/lileft/tdBRy shift is also meant to give up certain principles currently adopted by the CCP, for example, the "four cardinal principles" set by Deng himself. These four principles are stipulated in the party constitution: the CCP "must "uphold [the] socialist road, uphold people's democratic dictatorship, uphold the CCP's leadership, uphold Marxism, Leninism and Mao Zedong thought ... and oppose bourgeois liberalization". Giving up these principles is meant to open the door for political and ideological liberalization.
Obviously, changing the "revolutionary mentality" and replace it with a "new political outlook" is an arduous task. Will its not certain if Xi and the new CCP leadership can succeed in this challenge, the discussion of a "new political outlook" suggests Xi wants to chart a different path than his predecessor.
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It wasn't easy transcribing the notes for George Thomas GASSON (my 2x great grandfather) from the case book for the Sussex County Asylum (ESRO HC33/1). As one would expect the notes were all hand written, but in a variety of different hands, just when I had got used to one style of handwriting it changed to another.
Each entry carried on from the next, with hardly a pause for punctuation and a set of initials for the person responsible for the entry (most of those initials we unreadable). Initially the notes or observations were made daily, but the interval between them widened as the months and years passed.
The notes are generally quite vague and I was disappointed to find that there was no mention of any form of treatment or whether he ever received any visitors. Of course the absence of these doesn't prove that either of them didn't happen, but it would have been nice to know if any of his family had been to see him or whether he was forgotten.
It is not going to be possible to include all of the notes here, there are too many and most of them are not particularly interesting (if anyone wants to see them all then please get in touch). So here is a sample of some of the notes, I have taken some liberties with the punctuation and date formatting just to make them more readable.
25 Jan 1898 : Has been quiet since admission, had a good night and has taken his food. Bowels not acting …. Passed urine yesterday afternoon but not since until after breakfast this morning.
27 Jan 1898 : Going on very quietly and is rather depressed. Still fancies that people followed him about before he came here.
08 Mar 1898 : Remains in a quiet and suspicious state. Employs himself.
20 May 1898 : Is more unsettled and excited. Uses bad language.
04 Nov 1898 : Is in much the same deluded state and frequently tries to escape.
13 Mar 1899 : Remains in a deluded and restless state. Employs himself.
11 Dec 1899 : Remains in a deluded state and hears and answers invisibles.
12 Jun 1900 : Remains in a deluded state. Hears voices threatening him.
23 Aug 1901 : In a very lost and incoherent state. Chatters to invisibles.
04 Mar 1902 : Morose and depressed. Abusive at times.
08 Dec 1902 : Uses bad language and has fits of temper.
06 Mar 1903 : Is abusive. Has a delusion about a man in the woods. Delicate.
28 Jul 1903 : Cut below left eye from J. Lusted.
29 Oct 1903 : Spiteful and deluded …. Transfered today to Hellingly.
After copying out a page of tightly packed handwriting I had to take a break and went outside into the fresh air to clear my head and consider what I had just transcribed. There were very few hard facts, but at least I knew when he had been transferred to the asylum at Hellingly, that would allow me to continue my research to the next stage.
The impression I got from reading these notes was of a very confused and deluded man, not particularly dangerous it seemed, probably more to be pitied than feared. Just another sad case with little hope of anything other than spending the rest of his life in an asylum.
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Now let's reflect on the past few months, the Lakers no matter how you want to view it begged Dwight Howard to stay in all ways possible. Laker fans
acknowledge this whether they hated it or not most were adamant that Dwight was staying, then out of nowhere boom he leaves! now those same fans are saying he's a punk and how they never wanted him, AND even to a degree say he will never get a championship because he left to the rockets and how they will never be a rebuilding team because they have 16 championships and will get lebron (look up the majority of big threads on the lakertopbuzz). Now unless he's on this team later in life I don't want him winning either, but I find it ridiculous how Laker fans are at times, I mean I never brag about my team I mean come on most of us older fans know how it is to be the crap stain of the nba, but I mention anything about NBA and my opinions are invalid because my team does not have (once again) 16 championships (most of the bars etc I go to in LA people use this all the time) and I find it degrading (just my opinion) and disrespectful (to kobe) that the Lakers would go after Lebron in 2014 anyway, I never could see the bulls reaching out to get kobe once MJ was reaching the climax of his years. I just can't picture Kobe willingly letting Lebron run things with him still on the team which in all honesty he'd have to do, anyway that's it just venting out some things I think are a bunch of nonsense (in my opinion). Last I checked we never begged CP3 Or Brand either *whistles*
I thought there would be a joke, where's the FUNNY?
nothing you said was funny... it's all annoying BS we keep hearing from lakers fan (not saying you're annoying)
the next time a lakers fun tells you "oh yeah, we have 16 chamionships, how many do you have?"
just tell them this::
This is one is a better version of that. I always show this to my Laker friends.
BWahahaha I gotta save this to my phone
Lakers get a story about how they will probably go after Lebron and/or Melo in 2014 if they waive their final year of their contract. How many other NBA teams ALSO will go after Lebron and Melo? Every single NBA team even if they have only the vet's min will go after Lebron, that's a no brainer. Plenty of teams will be calling on Melo as well, pending he doesn't die of a heart attack from eating too many cheeseburgers.
I hope they get nothing, and Kobe eats up half their cap space. This guy more than likely won't take a paycut, and although he may be friends with some of these big stars, who the hell would want to play with that guy? He ran the top 2 Centers of the past 20 years out of Los Angeles, 1 of which is easily a top 20 player of all time.
I'd LOL if Kobe got screwed by Buss and they wanted him to take a massive paycut, and by massive I mean being paid like 15 mill a year or less. Because to Kobe, that's massive.
Jerry Buss would be dead right now if he saw what was happening to his team if he didn't already pass away ( RIP to a legend ). Kobe is dragging that team down and all Jerry's kids are doing is helping.
I'd trade just about everybody for as many draft picks as I could get and start over. Teams like the Yankees and Lakers don't stay mediocre of bad for long, too much history and the thrill of big city life.
Lebron would be the stupidest human being alive if he left Miami to play with Kobe. It would be him, Kobe, Sacre, a mid-first round pick and maybe one other $10m player (depending on what Kobe signs for) and a bunch of vet minimum contracts. Leaving a repeat championship team for that? No.
Those idiots actually have a thread talking about how they can get Paul George next summer! It's seriously just sad because I'm pretty sure it's less delusion and more sheer stupidity.
The guy will sign the max extension within the summer. OBVIOUSLY!!! Everybody who knows anything about the league knows no one has ever refused a max extension. And somehow these morons spend their time discussing their future roster with him, talking about back loading contracts by paying him 2mil the first year and 30mil the second year. And this is all a serous conversation. Sad what has become of a once-proud franchise. They are an embarrassment.
They are in the denial stage.
Just because the Lakers have a dynasty/legacy in this sport doesn't mean that it will always be that way. Maybe they will resurrect themselves to their former glory and maybe they won't. They are looking pretty bad at the moment and apart from their history they have very little going for them. People could argue that they are in a really big market because LA is such an attractive city for a player, but if the city is the only draw then the big players will just come to the Clips.
Is this the end of a dynasty? Who knows! Interesting times for BBall in LA!!
Lakers fans, and folks in the media are starting to act like Steven A Smith did years ago when he said every single player in the NBA wanted to play for the Knicks, and the Knicks were going to end up getting everybody they wanted simply because it was the Knicks, and the city of New York.
Knicks stink and the Lakers are headed there. Get rid of Kobe and I can see people wanting to go play there.
I hate that stupid reporter from LakersNation.com. Think her name is Serena Winter. She interviewed Klay Thompson and asked if he wants to play for the Lakers. Laker fans and their self-entitlement.
Mychal Thompson is a big laker homer, so who knows. Probably forcing his son to join the flakers
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-los-an ... 00622.html
I'm posting this in parts because something ate the whole last post.
In the summer of 1970 a friend found some of the stuff that South American shaman use to see weird sh*t. Don't think of it as getting high, think of it as a cross-cultural exploration.
Anyway several of us spent the better part of an hour talking to a bush. The problem was that nobody was fluent in bush speak so communication was a bit difficult but we managed.
I don't know Laker Speak but the bush made a lot more sense was more intelligent and had a nicer personality.
2, Melo has pretty much said he won't be a LAL
D12 never wanted to be a Laker. It was his punishment for being a twit
Kobe told D12 that he was Kobe's bitch
5 Kobe's $30 mill is 1/3 of the payroll but he won't take a pay cut precluding signing on good FA's. Kobe doesn't give a rabbit pellet about the team only his career stats
7 Why do they keep D'antoni when they are based around Kaman and Kobe who has a busted wheel
Now the fun begins
Kaman is the Moses who will part the waters and lead them to victory based on crushing and humiliating defeats and they are looking forward to it. Sounds like the submissive in a Hollywood dungeon who says "Yes Mistress may I have another". Didn't they once laugh at Kaman when he was young and a lot better? His defeats are going to really lead them to victory
Because of their greatness they would never be a lottery team but if they tried the fans would revel in their tanking.
Here's how they determine victory. Take the winners margin +10 points and square it =100. Then take their margin of loss and square it =100. Then divide by each team's fans IQ. Winner every time
I still have trouble with Laker Speak and the bush sure made more sense (True Story). Maybe we should have gotten a life sized cut out of Elmer Fudd
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LAL fans are going to be hotfooting it to the R,W&B faster than roaches where the light's on but in order to be Clip Nation they have to pass a test
Name on Laker other than Kobe
Write an essay stating why BG should pork your sister.
Urinate on a life sized photo of Stu 'the Easy Deuce" Lantz while screaming "It's Kobe Time"
All I Tell Laker Fans Is This, Welcome To The 90's Buddy! Lakers Were Good, But Never A Real Contender
I hope not because they drafted Kobe, signed Shaq and hired Phil in the 90's.
How can Dwight stay at LA when all season long they rediculed his game even though he come back not fully heald from back injury.The guy is not happy the way the fans and team treated him.
I believe Dwight had every right to leave. The coach, his team mates (especially Kobe) never welcomed the guy with open arms.
The Lakers are finally getting a dose of reality telling them that they can never get what they want.
lakers are a mess now but lets see what 2014 may bring for them.
It's true, they have lots of cap room then. Lets hope they can't attract anyone big and the dynasty crumbles.
Indeed and who knows if they suck that hard they may get you know who. You never know. Their luck has always been very good.
Since this is a topic about the Lakers, I was on lunch today and overheard some guys discussing who they were going to get next and the D'antoni situation. They agreed that this season was a lost season but that it was the Lakers plan because forget about Lebron, forget about Melo, it's going to be Durant who will be in a Lakers uniform come the following season.. This guy was pretty much guaranteeing it.
^Durant is a FA in 2016. Typical dumbass Lakers fan. They could trade anything on their roster and it wouldn't be worth 1/4th what Durant is worth.
They'd have to pay big bucks to get someone to play next to Kobe Buyrants?
Their insecurity is hilarious.
Remember, this thread is about Laker fans, not the Lakers franchise. This is where we bash and laugh at the scums of the earth, AKA Laker fans.
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Lakers have hit that plateau that Yankees have been at for quite a while: big free agent signings, but not the right players to mesh into a great unit. Add pressure to this high priced payroll and it ends up being disastrous. I have no doubt the Lakers will obtain some of the biggest names come 2014, but what I do doubt the Lakers ability to get the right guys
Never really thought about this, but the Celtics have already taken precautionary measures to reload their entire team by getting a ton of draft picks over the next 5 years. They realized their shot to win was gone after that game 7 loss to Miami and the injuries sustained last year. I know the front office probably hates the idea of missing the playoffs as it looks like a safe bet, but they also don't want to go through what they did in the early 90's.
Lakers should really take a lesson from that, I just can't see Nash whose like 39 or 40, a Kobe coming off a serious injury and Gasol taking this team to the promised land.
Wouldn't be an awful idea to trade Gasol and any other trade chips you have to get draft picks and/or young talent like immediately. I wouldn't be excited if I were a Laker fan to cheer for a team that is probably going to get housed in round 1 of the playoffs if they even make it.
Giant payroll and your probably a lottery team with 2 Hall of Famers on your team and potentially a 3rd LOL
problem Lakers have is Kobe still expects titles and even this year he will go hard. What moves should they make at the deadline to clear more room?
Why would anyone want to be a LAL if they weren't a contending team? Boston has a dynasty equivalent to LAL and you don't see Boston fans acting like they've been huffing spray paint. The Knicks are also a "sexy" franchise.
Why would they think just touching the Laker floor would get them here to be on a team that sucks.
If they want to go anywhere they can't re sign Kobe.


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The Keep is destined to be the new home for the collections of the East Sussex Record Office and the Brighton History Centre among others, and if all goes according to plan (and funding is forthcoming) it should be opened to the public in 2013.
The hope is that a decision will be reached by the 14th January 2011 and all the documentation about the application can be found on the Brighton & Hove City Council website in their planning register (application number BH2010/03259).
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The sign shown below at Singleton, West Sussex is unusual, possibly unique (if you know of a similar example then let me know), normally a fingerpost like this would be pointing the way to neighbouring villages, not nearby pubs.
I don't know who is responsible for the sign, it appears to be in someone's garden. I can't imagine that the highways department of West Sussex County Council were responsible, but whoever is responsible it is a great idea.
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When the Pacers (2-2) last played at the Convocation Center, they were undefeated and had just knocked off a ranked Winston Salem State squad. Now, as they host Mount Olive (1-4) tonight at 7 p.m., the Pacers are on a two-game road losing streak after falling in a rematch with Winston Salem State and a tilt with Benedict.
The Trojans also come into town on a losing streak, having dropped three straight home games. Only two Mount Olive players score in double figures, led by senior forward Deshaune Greene with 15.2 per game and sophomore swingman Jordan McCain with 11.4. Junior guard Dory Hines is close to double-digits with 9.2 points a contest and leads the team with 8.6 rebounds and 6.2 assists on average.
Five Pacers average in double digits in the scoring column, with Ronald Zimmerman leading the way with 17.3 per game. Kinley Branch, Jesse Seilern, ReMon Nelson and DeVontae Wright are also averaging better than 10 points, but Wright has played only one game because of injuries.
Zimmerman is also the Pacers leader from the 3-point line among those with at least 10 attempts. Hes connecting on 48 percent (18-of-37) of his shots. In all, four USCA players Zimmerman, Branch, Seilern and Nelson have attempted 10 or more longballs and average hitting .333 or better, while no Trojan is better than .306 for the year from beyond the arc.
That hasnt stopped Mount Olive from attempting shots from deep range. Despite a team percentage of .228, the Trojans attempt an average of 24.6 3-pointers a game. The Pacers, meanwhile, attempt 24 per game but are hitting close to 45 percent of their 3-point attempts.
Long-range shooting was a problem for USCA in its last game. In a 69-67 loss to Benedict, the Pacers hit only 5 of their 17 3-point attempts.
The charity stripe has also been unkind to the Pacers in their losses. Despite shooting 66 percent from the line for the year, USCA made only 54.5 percent of its free throws against Benedict and 43.8 percent against Winston Salem State.
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Here it goes guys the truth comes out. There is a possibility that CP3 will not resign with the Clippers! Sad News!
Also here is a nice piece from Bleachers On how we could keep CP3.
These are things I have been saying all along.
Like getting Dwight and changing the Coach. So here read it!
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/12 ... ght-howard
There is no way this happens. They are going to match Jeremy Lin and they have Jason Kidd. They wont have the cap space to think about signing him, plus I would hope the Clippers dont help via sign and trade.
Blake stayed and next up is CP3, this is a different Clippers team than ever before.
Last week he was gonna sign with ATL alongside Howard, right?
"OOOOH, if we don't fire Vinny, CP3's gonna leave us!!!"
Carmelo Anthony is one of CP's best friends and there's a lot mystique to playing in NY, so of course Paul would be hesitant to rule it out. But that's a far cry from saying its likely to happen. If we improve again next season and he has another big year, I like our chances of resigning him.
You're posting a bleacher article to help further your case? Really?
Here is the best way to Keep CP3.
These are the things I have kept saying.
Go after D12. At least try show CP3 your serious to contend. It wouldn't hurt to try.
Get rid of Vinny and let CP3 choose the coach.
For all of you who doubted the things I have been trying to tell u guys. It is important to try to understand why I say them.
Plz don't use the excuse this is another Bleachers Report and a 14 yr old kid wrote it.
I have read enough from the BR to know they have written a lot of credible info.
And this is definetly one of them.
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/12 ... ext-season
Okay, we've been through this a million times. Either Paul leaves or he doesn't but let's not worry about that till next summer. The clippers have the most money to offer him. There might be a better team out there interested in him, but no way he turns down 5 years 108 Million for a slightly better chance at forming a "super team" to win it all (at that point winning the ring isnt as impressive).
However, if Paul refuses to play with us and wanted to play for NY. The clippers could ask for Shumpert/Chandler. (Shump/Bledsoe backcourt defensively is niiiiice).
But realistically? I dont see a clear cut option that's better for Paul. Im not gonna lose any sleep over this.
One more thing, the clippers have basically let Paul play GM so far and given him complete freedom. If that's not good enough for CP3, then GOOD DAY SIR.
^ The last option is also for us to possibly entertain a trade for CP3. Like I had posted in another topic. We must deal with the Reality. I believe if the Clippers don't get a 3rd superstar or get rid of Vinny. We will lose CP3. Some of You guys have been doubting the things I say. We need start looking at more options. I would hate to lose CP3. No I don't want to trade him. But I would hate to lose him for nothing. So if we can't save him. We need to start preparing so we don't get nothing in return.
LOL This makes me laugh. Considering how good we are and how much he's going to leave on the table (around $30M) IF he signs with NYK in the next offseason... I can bet my life he will sign that extension with us. It would be different if we were a team not going anywhere but hey, if D-Will signed with the Nets and not his hometown Mavs, then CP3 will definitely stay. Forget all that talk about D-Will saying it's not about the money.
Espn radio reported that when they asked CP about going to NY. He said he would be interested. Then they went and asked Carmelo and he smiled like he knew something.
Then when they asked CP3 what changes were needed by the Clippers. He stated " I need to get better."
They said he tried to avoid the question rather than answer it.
ESPN Radio said that when a Superstar avoids a question. There is a good chance he wants to leave.
They also said the Clipper fans always get mad at them for there comments. But these were serious comments made by CP3 and not them.
They are just reporting it.
wow clippersam u are a stubborn one. we have one year to see what we the clips do before dealing with the cp3 extension. again, if it got to the point of being close to losing him, we can always sign and trade cp3 and get some pieces in return. so we are in the driver seat in this situation. cp3 would be stupid to leave for less money than what we can offer. so there is a high likelihood he will stay with us. even if we wanted to go after howard we dont have the pieces to acquire him. thats being realistic.
The Knicks already have Kidd and are going to match the Rockets offer to Lin.But if they were to go for CP3 it probably would depend on how both teams do this season.He is good friends with Carmelo and Chandler but Clippers have been trying to do what they can to make CP3 happy.He wanted the Clippers to sign Chancey and Crawford and they did and Blake agreed to sign his extension with the Clippers.Also Clippers are basically letting him run the team.I don't think he would leave but you never know.
CP3 ALWAYS says he needs to get better. He never criticizes others publicly.
Knicks signed Kidd, not Nash. Nash went to Lakers.
^^^ @ClipperSam-Deron Williams avoided a lot of questions about whether he planned to extend with Brooklyn and he still did it. So I'm not putting too much stock in what the geniuses at ESPN Radio say it means when a star deflects a question.
To be honest cp3 doesn't look like the type of player that would leave
2 years into a team
Like all the idiot talking heads speculating about CP3's extension isn't enough... now we have to deal with it from within our own ranks.
Knicks signed Kidd, not Nash. Nash went to Lakers.
whats funny in all of this is the fact that the article states CP3 has not ruled out playing in NY but in the article, it never mentions it. I guess keeping your options open was translated to that. I guess The Bobcats can write the same article then.
let this season finish (not even started yet) and wait for the next season, if we have money we have a lot of option.
Oh well... If he leaves, then the coward leaves. There is absolutely ZERO loyalty in sports, so what's new? Lets play next season and then if he leaves, we BURN our PAUL Jerseys. LOL...Until then, lets see what this team can do! If he stays then we buy new ones to upgrade! LMFAO!
How did you see Carmelo make the sly "CP3-is-going-to-come-play-in-New-York" smile if it was on the radio?
Are you bored? Is that why you're always starting threads like this?
It's like you're asking people to come on here and yell at you.
He just wants the 5 year 108 mill contract over the 3 year 60 mill extension. Which is understandable, better financial stability.
He's not going anywhere, but anything is possible. In that case he'll give us the opportunity to sign and trade him, instead of losing him for nothing.
It's like you're asking people to come on here and yell at you.
I hope you guys are right and CP3 resigns with us next year. But IMO the Clippers have not done enough to completely convince CP3. Hopefully we are not done signing Players and the Clips put the right pieces to surround him. To give him a true shot at the Title. I believe that is the only way CP3 will truly be willing and wanting to sign his upcoming contract. The money will play a factor. But so will the final results. I think anything less than a WCF appearance. Will make CP3 highly consider leaving. I would like to know how far do u guys think will get Next year. With all the changes in the league and also with our current roster. My belief as of right now. A 6-7 game loss in the 2nd round. What do u guys think. I feel our chances were better this past season prior to Billips getting hurt. I had felt we had a real chance to reach the finals. So far I do not have the same feeling about the upcoming season. Maybe I am wrong. But it is my gut feeling.
#1 The Knicks won't have cap space
#2 They haven't got past the 1st round in like 10 years
#3 CP3 with the Clippers picks the players (and calls the plays<my opinion)
#4 Let's see Chandler/ Stodimire or DJ/Blake who are almost a good ten years younger
#5 Billups is CP3's main guy not Carmelo
#6 Oh and we don't have the big market prob. that other teams might
#7 And I might be wrong on this but the Clippers I think can even offer him more $, I mean would u turn down 5 years at 100mil to play with Blake and call the shots<Chris Paul isn't going anywhere<and if he does well we have Bledsoe who's now learning under him and we have more cap-space
Need any more reasons why he'll probably stay
Will get to the 2nd round or conference finals but will do it because CP3 and Billups will be calling the shots on the floor and NOT VDN. Besides remember CP3 wanted Billups,and Crawford so to him these moves were good.Also if we can sign a 5 that can rebound,defend,and set good screens(Turiaf,Steitsma) and a SF/Sg that can defend and rebound(Pietrus,Brewer) somehow we won't have any holes on this roster
can we just make a rule already that you cant post bleacher report stuff?? Its not real facts. Its not even real writers. They have no inside scoop. Basically reading a bleacher repport is lke reading something that Clippersam writes and thinking that its ust automatically true because he wrote it.
Will get to the 2nd round or conference finals but will do it because CP3 and Billups will be calling the shots on the floor and NOT VDN. Besides remember CP3 wanted Billups,and Crawford so to him these moves were good.Also if we can sign a 5 that can rebound,defend,and set good screens(Turiaf,Steitsma) and a SF/Sg that can defend and rebound(Pietrus,Brewer) somehow we won't have any holes on this roster
So what good does it do? If we all know! The best shot we have with this team is to lose in WCF. Why not put a team that we all know can make it the Finals. Just like everyone believed OKC and Miami would meet in the finals. Why can't we put together a team like that. Just like the Lakers are trying to do.
didn't we have this discussion in a few other threads.have we become that bored that we are talking about the same thing over and over again?with the same person too.
1) I dont buy the crap about Cap Space. Haven't you guys seen enough to know that when a Star Player is available the good teams find a way to make it happen. Even if it means tearing there team apart. Look at the Lakers they have the highest payroll. They still found a way to land Nash and possibly bring D12. Mavericks and Rockets have emptied there teams. NY also does not care about payroll. So you guys need to stop talking about teams having no cap. Its BS. The possibility of CP3 resigning with us is much greater than NY not creating space for CP3ً.
And for the rest Miami did not win crap until the Big 3 and for the record neither did we till CP3 came to the Clippers.
I really would not mind trading him for Iman Shumpert if he were healthy
best defensive and athletic back court
Need any more reasons why he'll probably stay
And for the rest Miami did not win crap until the Big 3 and for the record neither did we till CP3 came to the Clippers.
The luxury tax is going to be moving towards THREE AND A HALF TIMES the amount you are over, so teams DO care about the cap.
Miami won a title in '06... saying they "didn't win crap until the big 3" is FALSE. Like almost everything else you post.
we all know why CP3 didn't sign that extension.he said he wasn't going to.everyone and their moms knew he wasn't going to.he wasn't going to sign the extension with any team.let's not get caught up in what Ric Bucher says or thinks.he hates the Clippers.they all want him to leave.CP3 will sign that extension at the end of this season.GUARANTEED.
There is a difference between being a realist and a pessimist.
^^^ Whatever even if he does leave will still have Eric Bledsoe,Blake,DJ,Caron(last year)and a lot of options<I don't like that CP3 is being all coy about all this though I agree on that,plus if he had us sign Jamal Crawford and then bail on us I'll be pissed
how quickly we all forget that Dallas won it all last year.
^ I am not sure about gaurantee. By I think there is a high possibility he resigns with the Clippers.
Hey Sam, remember what we were talking about last night? Remember what I said about the cap and luxury tax threshold?
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
The NBA's salary cap for the 2012-'13 season will be $58M, and the luxury tax level, $70.3M, the NBA says.
That makes us over the cap without Billups and Crawford. Next time, hit me up with your next argument. I'll let you know if it passes the smell test.
Sam deserves an award.. Hes the first to find a article of this caliber... Who knew Chris Paul would be keeping his options open!!!
Don't be silly, Joe. Why would one restrict himself with facts, when he can just conceive his own reality and call it "truth"?
Actually you need to re read what I wrote. It's funny how you are trying to twist it around. I was the one that mentioned the Cap. This currently makes us below the Cap. Didn't you post the team total salary yourself.
Bro I used to respect your comments.
But you are surely losing it.
Anyone that wants can go read it.
It's there in Black and White.
Come on I thought we had no flippers on our team!
Man are u real?
Well, looks like I'm guilty of shunning facts myself. I guess Pincus had some I was reluctant to see.
All kinds of talk goes on when the All Stars all get together for hoops. Most of the time it is just talk. And the player love to pull the strings of the sports writers. But MCMB said it best. We will be able to offer CP3 the most money for the longest period of time. And CP3 is heading into his prime. It is not a time to get anything other than the MAX. So, he is signing with the Clips unless we do something extremely stupid to screw this team up.
BTW they should rename Bleacher Report......Silly City! Or something else that describes the constant nonsense that goes on over there. Blogs written by little children. Geez
I'm sorry, you do not know the difference between the cap, and luxury tax threshold.
Don't be silly, Joe. Why would one restrict himself with facts, when he can just conceive his own reality and call it "truth"?
Plz Cleepers try not to comment unless you have actually read what I wrote. We all know when it comes to ClipperSam you love to put your Blinders on. It's ok!
Really I kind of got use to it.
Your comments really don't bother me as much anymore.
I just figured out. How u like to play favoritism rather than actually really read what the person wrote.
The sad facts I actually read what u have to say.
I have been impreesed by a few of them.
Hopefully you can begin seeing some of things I write about 2.
It would be the right start for both of us.
But of course you can handle things the way u wish.
I will continue to read everyone's thoughts than comment after and not vice Versa.
So do as u wish brother. Because basically your the one that knows it all.
ClipperSam should be banned from creating new threads, he never backs up his argument nor does he give a credible source. (bleacherreport doesn't count)
^ if u are reading the CP3 to NY thing did not come from the BR. Neither did the 2nd source from ESPN Radio. Again do u guys actually read b4 u write your Comments.
I am really begin to wonder!


text:
Sunday, February 12, 2012
Magpie Tale: Black & White
There was a time she would have been sent away to live with a distant relative, some school of reform, labeled crazy or even burned at the stake---
They, being inferior stock, would hang by the throat with rope, dancing beneath the trees until their tongues lolled, or roasted on spit---
In preservation of what?
We've come a long since---
Is it always black & white?
this is a Magpie Tale.
105 comments:
- Mary said...
Very eerie, Brian!
(No, I doubt it's always black & white.)
- February 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM
- ayala said...
A powerful write, Brian.
Great ending...Is it always black & white?
- February 12, 2012 at 12:59 PM
- Glenn Buttkus said...
Heavy duty, and interestingly both
our poems have similar muses
and outcomes; yours with much
more gusto for sure.
- February 12, 2012 at 1:09 PM
- Doctor FTSE said...
Some of us have come a fair way, Brian. Others would still have them stoned to death.
- February 12, 2012 at 1:16 PM
- Mark Windham said...
Very good, been working on a few on this very subject. This one is good.
- February 12, 2012 at 1:22 PM
- susan m hinckley said...
Loved it, and your word choice somehow captured the feel of the photo perfectly -- I could see all of it in there.
- February 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM
- Yvonne Osborne said...
The stoning continues,just not here. As far as we know. You always make me sit back; and then I have to remember to breathe.
I like your writing.
- February 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM
- Pat Hatt said...
Now that was a creepy pick
Your words really to the trick
Black and white words may seem to be
Yet don't you think they should have blue or orange or something more pretty?..haha
- February 12, 2012 at 1:47 PM
- Laurie Kolp said...
With the going away to live somewhere else and the hanging reference, I can't help but think of the book I'm reading right now, The Help. It's sooo good! Great take on the prompt, Brian.
- February 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM
- Catfish Tales said...
Hahaha. Nice twist!
- February 12, 2012 at 2:08 PM
- JC said...
Great work Brian.
In time our world will be beige, if our children ae more sensible than their ancestry.
- February 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM
- DJan said...
Strange picture, but as usual a very creative take on it. Made me think, have we come very far?
- February 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM
- She Writes Here Now said...
I hope we have, but often feel discouraged when I realize how far we have to go.
- February 12, 2012 at 2:16 PM
- Caty said...
I'm not sure how far we've actually come...maybe it's just more hidden now? Great one, Brian.
- February 12, 2012 at 2:23 PM
- Leovi said...
Yes, and I think there is still a long way to go.
- February 12, 2012 at 2:27 PM
- Manicddaily said...
All true. I'm not so thrilled with mine. I should have gone shorter! Works very well here. K.
- February 12, 2012 at 2:34 PM
- Brian Miller said...
or the target has just changed....
- February 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM
- Barbara said...
Interesting take. I'm still trying to figure out why the image ticks me off. No'it isn't black and white.
- February 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM
- Other Mary said...
A long and winding road... and some days I think we broke an axle. Well done.
- February 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM
- Daniel said...
The picture is a great one, really sets the stage for your words. Love the your words too. Some people always want to make things into black vs. white, no matter what. Feeling put down, whether real or imagined, gives them some strength.
- February 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM
- Friko said...
It's a horrible picture, whatever you say about it. It reminds me of squirming worms in a pit.
- February 12, 2012 at 3:31 PM
- Magpie said...
Such harsh realities of times gone by...I hope.
- February 12, 2012 at 4:39 PM
- happygirl said...
Thanks for the history lesson. It reflects more about us, than them. :)
- February 12, 2012 at 5:20 PM
I think we've come a long way...but still have a long way to go as well.
- February 12, 2012 at 5:38 PM
- Amy Sullivan said...
Dang! Crazy picture, Brain. Good write.
- February 12, 2012 at 6:02 PM
- Heaven said...
I find the picture creepy but I like your take on the black and white. I think we still have a long way to go ~
Happy sunday ~
- February 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM
- Mama Zen said...
Nicely done, Brian!
- February 12, 2012 at 6:31 PM
- Kay L. Davies said...
Sometimes I'm not sure we've come very far at all, Brian. Very well put, and much to think upon.
- February 12, 2012 at 6:36 PM
- Jira said...
This makes the reader 'think' and contemplate the words into a deeper meaning. Nice.
- February 12, 2012 at 7:03 PM
- G-Man said...
What Did She Do??
- February 12, 2012 at 7:07 PM
- TALON said...
Yeah, we don't like to think of all those shades of grey do we?
- February 12, 2012 at 7:32 PM
- janaki nagaraj said...
True..and some shades of gray. Good one.
- February 12, 2012 at 7:34 PM
- Brian Miller said...
talon you are exactly right...and we dont like to think about how recent this was in our own history either...
this probably also came because i saw red tails last night as well so it was fresh in my mind...
that and i spent time in some of the more impoverished areas...
so really just questions and thoughts rolling through my head...i def find the pic more disturbing than sensual....
- February 12, 2012 at 7:37 PM
- AngelMay said...
Nicely said, Brian.
- February 12, 2012 at 7:40 PM
There was a time,
which means sometimes, not all the time...
a point aptly made here.
beautiful magpie.
- February 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM
- Joanna Jenkins said...
Nice, nice job, Brian. Some days thought, I really wonder how far we've come.
Have a great week, jj
- February 12, 2012 at 8:39 PM
- Simone said...
Maybe its just me but there's so much more that we can teach our kids so that we can begin to see things differently than just black and white.
- February 12, 2012 at 8:48 PM
- Shadow said...
mmm, hardly ever, there's always some gray about... nicely told!
- February 12, 2012 at 9:01 PM
- Claudia said...
somehow the picture frightens me and it works out the contrast we want to bridge.. maybe that's also the artistic value of it..holding a mirror to make us see..your words do this as well..and think much has changed already but still a long way to go..
- February 12, 2012 at 9:06 PM
- Kitten said...
I love your perspective on this piece.
- February 12, 2012 at 9:12 PM
- Wayne Pitchko said...
love it Brian....thanks for sharing your words
- February 12, 2012 at 9:22 PM
- Madeleine Begun Kane said...
Wonderful and powerful!
- February 12, 2012 at 9:29 PM
- Tina said...
Jeepers, that photo creeps me out, sitting here at way past my bedtime, blogging with candles all around me and my family long since asleep...
But that was probably what you were going for (the creepy thing) so good job and now I'm going to a photoblog to look at some flowers...
Tina @ Life is Good
Co-Host of the April 2012 Blogging from A to Z Challenge
- February 12, 2012 at 9:55 PM
- Cinner said...
I don't know about how far we have come, just still to go a lot further.
I don't think thinks are ever black or white. good read Brian.
- February 12, 2012 at 10:14 PM
- jabblog said...
We certainly hope we've come a long way though I doubt we've come as far as we should.
- February 12, 2012 at 11:41 PM
- Birdie said...
the picture is creepy ... yikes ... i don't think things are just black or white, it just 'suitable' for some to see it that way ... have a wonderful week Brian!
- February 12, 2012 at 11:45 PM
- Anne said...
You've done a marvelous job of dealing with a difficult subject Brian. Brutal, but this was a brutal treatment of an entire group of people. You did this right.
- February 12, 2012 at 11:53 PM
- A Daft Scots Lass said...
creepy and sensual
- February 13, 2012 at 12:12 AM
- Dave King said...
The image seemed extreme to me. You've brought it - chillingly - into the realm of reality. Or at least possibility.
- February 13, 2012 at 1:44 AM
- kaykuala said...
How true Brian,
Over time it gets blurred. The conservatives faded away and the non-conformists grew in numbers.
- February 13, 2012 at 1:45 AM
- Goofball said...
the world is always grey ...not black and white. but black & white is easier to form opinions and proclaim them out loud, rather than finding the right contextual grey.
Love that picture by the way. very artful
- February 13, 2012 at 2:14 AM
- SueAnn said...
I really don't think we have traveled very far at all!!
- February 13, 2012 at 2:27 AM
- Zuzana said...
Dear Brian, indeed, that question is so profound. How long have we come really. I would like to believe that we have changed and I guess the optimist in me hopes we have.
Have a great Monday dear friend,
- February 13, 2012 at 2:51 AM
- Valerie said...
The people of the world still have a way to go, I'm afraid.
- February 13, 2012 at 2:53 AM
- Pauline said...
It's never black and white - and using a question mark at the end of that sentence is genius
- February 13, 2012 at 3:57 AM
- ninotaziz said...
I know it seems obvious, Brian. But really, it did not occur to me at all. I saw passion, men, a woman, purity, degradation, sins, salvation.
But no, I did not see the black and white question.
I loved your offering though. More a question of the evolution of man. Have we regressed?
- February 13, 2012 at 4:35 AM
- adeeyoyo said...
Hehe, black and white is often grey, Brian! What a great picture.
- February 13, 2012 at 4:51 AM
- Syd said...
I don't think that we have evolved much in certain areas. The same old character defects remain in each of us. We have just become more sophisticated at hiding them.
- February 13, 2012 at 5:32 AM
- izzy said...
Rarely black and white as you well know...thanks.
- February 13, 2012 at 5:43 AM
- Who Is Afraid Of Miss Lovett? No, Mrs.Lovett... said...
"In preservation of what?
We've come a long since---
Is it always black & white?"
Hi! Brian...
Your very [poetic] words and the "Magpie Tale: Black & White" image are both very thought-provoking...today.
Thanks, for sharing!
deedee :-/
- February 13, 2012 at 5:53 AM
- Who Is Afraid Of Miss Lovett? No, Mrs.Lovett... said...
Yay! I'm no#60...Sometimes it's good to celebrate being...last! lol
- February 13, 2012 at 5:55 AM
- lifeisaroadtrip said...
Too much black. Too much white. Too little gray.
- February 13, 2012 at 6:03 AM
- LadyFi said...
Very powerful! In so many areas of life, the answer isn't black or white, but all the colours in between.
- February 13, 2012 at 7:03 AM
- Nessa said...
We've come a long way, overtly, but I think things are not too different behind closed doors.
- February 13, 2012 at 7:13 AM
- AmyLK said...
there are always shades of grey. Nice work!
- February 13, 2012 at 7:29 AM
- LadyFi said...
Yes -- please do use my heart photo!
- February 13, 2012 at 8:36 AM
- Rae said...
Sometimes I wonder if we really have come that far. Maybe not, but I'd like to think so.
- February 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM
- Eva Gallant said...
That was excellent. I could even follow it! (sometimes you're over my head. my ineptitude.)
- February 13, 2012 at 8:48 AM
- Liz @ A Nut in a Nutshell said...
I think outwardly we've come a long way, but I suspect that the true insides of people are sadly more like the past.
- February 13, 2012 at 8:56 AM
- Sue said...
The ending nails it.
PS. I didn't do this Magpie. I was afraid the pic would set some of my readers reeling!
- February 13, 2012 at 9:30 AM
- ds said...
No, it isn't always black & white. Which is the problem, isn't it. Great stuff, as always. Thank you.
- February 13, 2012 at 9:33 AM
- Brian Miller said...
for anyone interested, empress wrote a nice piece on being latina that i think pertains...
- February 13, 2012 at 9:59 AM
- Amy Barlow Liberatore/Sharp Little Pencil said...
Whoa, Brian, I believe this woman is somewhere in my family tree. Both applied to grandma Blanche - poor and bipolar. This was striking in its brevity and power. Thank you so much. Amy
- February 13, 2012 at 10:24 AM
- Myrna R. said...
So short, yet so much expressed.
So dangerous, when we think in black and white.
- February 13, 2012 at 10:28 AM
- Heather said...
oooh, great words to accompnay this picture....i hope it always isn't black and white...
- February 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM
- JeannetteLS said...
Will check out the link you mention, Brian. The moment I finished your poem I was thinking, "Yeah, more than ever it's black or white... just a different set of hates is all." And, about halfway down you said "or the target has just changed."
Bingo. The image scared me. But, then, I have issues. It isn't the black and white, but, it is a terribly disturbing image on several levels. It may be "artful" but, for me, I cannot look. The poem brought it OUT of that realm though. And then I looked at it with fresh eyes.
Which is what your poetry so often does, Brian. It offers me fresh eyes.
- February 13, 2012 at 11:34 AM
- drybottomgirl said...
A long way in some aspects but still a lot of gray in the color line. Excellent write, and great picture!
- February 13, 2012 at 11:51 AM
- Tumblewords: said...
Strong piece, nicely done...
- February 13, 2012 at 11:53 AM
- RD said...
it seems we had to kill for hate to die...yet the smoldering pungent stank of then lingers...
I stand upwind
- February 13, 2012 at 12:17 PM
- Teri M said...
I'm not sure society will ever get there.
- February 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM
- Daydreamertoo said...
No, it's never black or white and, we have come a long way yes but, we still have such a long way to go. Great use of the pic prompt.
- February 13, 2012 at 12:52 PM
- Lyn said...
It's the absolute...the black and white, that gets us into trouble, burns those witches...brilliant...
- February 13, 2012 at 1:37 PM
- Kathe W. said...
we are barely out of the trees in racial relations-we have a long way to go....excellent!
- February 13, 2012 at 1:44 PM
- Tabor said...
I finds the photo so eerie. I do not think it has to do with the black and white...because as the photographer it has to have those shades to be as arty as it is. It is more that all of their faces are hidden and her's is not...kind of creepy.
- February 13, 2012 at 2:06 PM
- Carrie Burtt said...
....but many miles before we sleep.....love what you did with this Brian...thought provoking and true! :-)
- February 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM
- FrankandMary said...
No, sometimes it is absent. Absent without knowing your own absence. ~Mary
- February 13, 2012 at 3:14 PM
- Barbara Shallue said...
Very powerful and provocative!
- February 13, 2012 at 3:41 PM
- Helen said...
Way too often ... black and white, still.
- February 13, 2012 at 4:05 PM
- Pastor Sharon said...
Very well, written.
Interesting how they missed the beauty of black & white.
- February 13, 2012 at 4:09 PM
- Fred Rutherford said...
Pretty neat angle you took here, really an idea I hadn't thought of looking at the image until now, and now it's the only thing the image reminds me of. Excellent job.
- February 13, 2012 at 5:11 PM
- hedgewitch said...
Good job, bri. Short and to the point.
- February 13, 2012 at 6:22 PM
- Semaphore said...
Rapier-sharp with the double (or is it triple) entendre in the final line.
- February 13, 2012 at 7:25 PM
- PattiKen said...
Have we come a long way? Or have we just found someone new to hate?
Is it always black or white? Or is it left or right? rich or poor? good or evil?
- February 13, 2012 at 7:34 PM
- Josh Hoyt said...
Picture works great with the story!
- February 13, 2012 at 8:38 PM
- Linda said...
Will we ever learn to get under the skin and look to the heart? I enjoyed your perspective. A thoughtful query, Brian..... thanks for sharing.
- February 13, 2012 at 8:58 PM
- Wander said...
Brian I was wondering when someone was going to "go there" Good for you...I saw the prompt and all I could think of were zombies, I have no fricken idea why...
- February 13, 2012 at 9:43 PM
- Williamz JungleJuice said...
This image has acted like a hornet's nest on the imagination, trying to reconcile contradictory emotions. I sense a repulsion in ur poem at what is represented in the ambiguity. I personally loved the challenge on my cultural conditioning.I also see that ur last line is offended by the artistic license of the photographer as if the black and white effect may have been purely cosmetic. Still, ur poem 4 me demonstrates how different the realities of observers can be. Thanx 4 sharing.
- February 14, 2012 at 5:31 AM
- Isabel Doyle said...
Challenging image and lines Brian.
Best wishes Isabel
- February 14, 2012 at 7:09 AM
- Lisa Golden said...
There are as many ways to decipher this as there are the ways human Other their fellow humans.
It's haunting. The photo is fabulous, too.
- February 14, 2012 at 7:53 AM
- zongrik said...
this was great, says so much in so many words...how did you know what my college days were like ;)
- February 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM
- Christine said...
Well said. I can only imagine the culture of that time that is the past.Powerful.
- February 14, 2012 at 6:23 PM
- Caroline Gerardo said...
Brian a Valentine to remember for all days
- February 14, 2012 at 8:38 PM
- Yousei Hime said...
I gather this photo is a prompt since I saw it somewhere earlier this week. I love the different writing that comes from prompts. Yours is shorter in length and more ambiguous, yet more haunting than the other. I'm reminded of the witch hunts, and then the mention of "black and white" taps me on the shoulder with racism. Nothing is simple. Enjoyed this.
- February 15, 2012 at 6:00 AM
- chiccoreal said...
Dear Brian: Wonders why this seems to be the fate of man to be so condemnational instead of raise-the-national. Interesting as I am sure all thought this black white and had to tweak to less ingrained acid burn.
- February 15, 2012 at 7:01 AM
- Tess Kincaid said...
That's the question. In preservation of what?
- February 15, 2012 at 11:52 AM