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- 1 Interpretations--Christian
- 2 Counts, categories and quality
- 3 Thank you, History2007, for your enormous effort on this article
- 4 Article name
- 5 Citation needed; NPOV
- 6 Miracles
- 7 What does the statement on Islam have to do with anything?
- 8 Requested move
- 9 Consistency and harmony
- 10 exorcisms in John?
- 11 This information doesn't have anything to do with Jesus
- 12 End of May edits
- 13 New section, "Background"
- 14 Miracle pages
- 15 Shouldn't Jesus' miracles be referred to as "alleged?"
- 16 Why does this entire article hint the God doesn't exist?
- 17 Recent misinterpretation
- 18 make Old Testament miracles article and link it to this article at see also?
- 19 Historicity
- 20 Apologetic tone of the article
- 21 "Supernatural"
- 22 Unsourced and incorrect edit reverted
The miracles attributed to Jesus are significant in attesting to the deity of Christ as contrasted with the humanity of Christ in Christ's dual natures. Comparisons between Moses and Jesus as between Judaism and Christianity are numerous in literature. Jesus is not the only agent of the miraculous and miracles don't always lead to faith. My understanding was that the section labeled under Interpretations--Christian within the article provided a place to comment on significance of the miracles as opposed to a log or description of the miracles that appears elsewhere in the article.
Footnotes (2) have been added as a response to requests for citation by Andrew c. Thank you for the requests. -- Itohacs 19:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Counts, categories and quality[edit]
The opening paragraph gives four categories and then says "many others". What are the many others? And exactly how many from the canonicals? John Clowes, The Miracles of Jesus Christ 1817 published bu E. Hodson lists 33 major miracles, excluding the Resurrection, but including the Transfiguration. The article says 40, but some are not generally considered miracles by referenced books. The four categories: cures, exorcisms, raising the dead and control over nature seem right and almost conform to H. Van der Loos, 1965 The Miracles of Jesus, E.J. Brill Press, Netherlands who has two main categories: Healings and Natural phenomena, with healings encompassing the first three categories here.
Some of the items in the table are NOT generally considered miracles by Jesus, e.g. Annunciation, or conversion of Nathanael. They need to be deleted. And "Healed every disease" is not a specific miracle. Hence it should not be in the table. To get this article cleaned up, only miracles that have specifics should be use din the table, e.g. Daughter of Jairus which has specific details. And that brings about another question: was that one miracle or two? I would tend to count that as one "miracle incident" and just call it the Daughter of Jairus miracle since it has specific commentary about the message it delivers, e.g. John R. Donahue, Daniel J. Harrington 2005 The Gospel of Mark ISBN 0814659659 page 182.
The 5th category on knowledge is NOT considered a miracle by the books I have looked at and needs to be deleted, unless someone has a better reference for it.
And the miracles need to be listed in as much of an order as possible. E.g. in Gospel harmony there is a table as well as the table here, but that is numbered. I think the miracles need to be in 4 tables, by category, listing 33-37 miracles. Of course the desire to have a temporal order on the miracles runs into Gospel harmony, but does anyone here know anything about that order?
There is also a serious lack of quality in sections such as Herbal medicines. For Heaven's sake this has so many citation needed flags on it, it needs a miracle to cure it. I will delete that section now, for it is totally unsourced.
Overall this article needs a good deal of work. I will try to fix it in the next 10 days or so, and suggestions will be appreciated. I will also make a Navbar with the 33-37miracles on it in 4 categories, and eventually try to get 33-37clean articles together with the NavBar on all. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 17:41, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Updating the Table: I have now finished the 26 new pages for the miracles that did not have their own article. The visual guide is consistent, but the long table is not. The table needs to be updated along the lines of the Gospel harmony article. But that has to wait for a while. If anyone wants to work on the table, be my guest. I will look at it again in a week or two. History2007 (talk) 18:40, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- To break it down further, based on the Template:Miracles of Jesus, the JS does not list the Healing in Gennesaret with the cures, the Exorcising at sunset is not listed among the exorcisms, nor are Transfiguration and the Coin in the fish's mouth considered to be nature miracles. John P. Meier, who devotes half (~500 pages) of his second volume of A Marginal Jew to the topic of miracles, uses the 4 category system "Exorcisms", "Healings", "Raising the Dead", and "So-Called Nature Miracles". I'll research exactly what miracles Meier discusses, and report back. -Andrew c [talk] 20:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- The other books include those. I did not invent the miracles out of thin air. I looked them up in the books. It is also a question of names, e.g. Clowes, The Miracles of Jesus Christ page 36 lists the sunset exorcism as "Casting out devils" and it was already in the article before I got to it, but elsewhere it can be called something else. I did not invent it, but built a clear visual interface so they can be clicked on for each page. The funny thing is that before I got to this article, many more "miracles" were sitting in there for a long time in total haphazard form. As is the table still has many miracles that appear no where else and need to be cleaned up. As to what Meier reports, whether he wrote 500 pages or 500 million pages does not change what the New Testament says. Coin in the fish is listed elsewhere, and has art devoted to it, as is Transfiguration. If they are in the Gospel, and are "beyond regular everyday phenomena" and are listed as miracles by more than 2 books, they should go in. The purpose is to report on the Gospels for the readers who need to be informed, NOT re-invent the Gospels. If 2 or more books on miracles list it, it should be called one. That is really simple. History2007 (talk) 00:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, that is good to know. It seems like I may have upset you, so please understand that was not my intention. I apologize if I have offended you. I do not intend to defend the old article, or attack the changes you made. As I have stated elsewhere, I believe you have done good work. If we were listing miracles that appeared nowhere else, then I'm 100% fine with their removal. I felt that removing the extra-canonical miracles wholesale and the cross reference to the Qur'an, Peter, James, etc was a bit too bold IMO. That's all. I don't think we need to have a rule about the number of books a miracle appears in. But, it may help to actually use inline citations to those books. For what it's worth, Meier has this to say about "The Story of the Temple Tax": Often, for the sake of completeness, the story of the temple tax is included in an inventory of Gospel miracle stories, usually under the category of "nature miracles."[13] Yet this pericope is not, by form-critical standards, a miracle story, and strictly speaking no miracle is narrated." My outstanding concerns are twofold. First, we may want to consider rephrasing some of the miracle story article titles, as some get very few, or no google hits, and it seems like there may be more commons names to be used. Second, if we do find situations where some miracles are listed on some lists, and others are not, then it is probably beneficial to the reader to note the controversy, as opposed to being simply all inclusive. It's part of NPOV, presenting all notable sides. -Andrew c [talk] 16:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Seperate issues raeagrding outstanding items:
- Regarding the article titles, exactly which ones do you think are too obscure? If you list them, and suggest a more Google friendly title, as well as title used in books, we can see if they can be changed. There are no unique titles, many books just use different titles and the only unique representation method would have been a concatenation of the verse numbers: totally unreadable. So all titles will be non-unique, but some may be more "widely used". So let us see what there is. I think what must happen in to have a paragraph at the end of each page that says: Other titles for this miracle are: "A, B, C, ...etc." Then Google will find it anyway. Listing the alternative titles at the top will be too confusing for the first time reader.
- The pages for Transfiguration and Coin in the fish now have several books each that consider them miracles. I can even find more, but not necessary. It was even interesting that Barth pointed out that Transfiguration is a very unique miracle. So which other one is not a miracle?
The only item that I think does not make the list is the "Woman at the well" because it involves knowledge and most sources do not consider knowledge a miracle. History2007 (talk) 21:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, History2007, for your enormous effort on this article[edit]
History2007, you have done a great job with this article. Thank for the tremendous editing and the new articles. Well done.
Great job on the Talk page, too. Helpful explanations. Afaprof01 (talk) 03:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
- I second the kudos. Chensiyuan (talk) 03:53, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. I think it is important to have a clean categorization of the miracles of Jesus as they appear in the NewTestament. I also built a horizontal Navbar Template:Miracles of Jesus to bring them together and added it to all the articles to unite them. I am going to work on Parables next to get those nicely categorized, and I noticed that in Template:Parables of Jesus they keep using the Gospel of Thomas! I was "really" surprised for it is not part of the New Testament and most Christians have never heard of those parables. Wikipedia should report on what Christianity is, not "define it anew". I would like to modify things there on Template:Parables of Jesus so it is consistent with the miracles which only use the New Testament and avoid non-Christian texts, and will appreciate your opinion. Could you guys please comment about this issue on Template talk:Parables of Jesus? I will appreciate it. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 12:34, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
- It isn't clear to me why you removed the "Other sources" column from the table, nor why you removed various Apocryphal miracles. Your edit summaries were lacking (such as "ce"). Wholesale deletion is not a simple copy edit. I'd like to have the other sources restored, and I believe, in addition to being simply listed in the table, a discussion of miracles found outside of the gospels should be expanded. -Andrew c [talk] 14:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- I responded on the "central page there". Those other sources can be fully listed, but I will make a separate article now about ONLY the miracles in the New Testament. This type of debate has taken place before and that is why Mariology is separate from Roman Catholic Mariology for they can co-exist in clean form. The previous table was FULL of errors. Anyway, please respond there in central form. History2007 (talk) 20:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Article name[edit]
As I looked at other articles such as Last words of Jesus and Parables of Jesus, I asked myself why this name has "attributed" in it. Wikipedia Gospel related articles do not require that qualification. It seems non-uniform to have that here. Unless there ae serious objections, I will have that moved. History2007 (talk) 06:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- I believe the reason was that this article was intended to cover all of the miracles attributed to Jesus during his lifetime, including Muslim, apocryphal and deuterocanonical accounts (but excluding post-resurrection/modern stuff like Jesus' face appearing on french toast, and a Jesus statue crying blood). The idea was this would be a holistic article describing the miracles attributed to Jesus during his lifetime. Simply stating that this article is about the "Miracles of Jesus" wouldn't necessarily do the article justice, as surely there would be miracles listed that various groups would dispute. If that is to be the goal of this article, to be inclusive and complete, then I feel the current title is better and more descriptive (and possibly more neutral to boot). -Andrew c [talk] 14:28, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, the ONLY solution is to move this to "Miracles of Jesus in the Gospels", for that is the only way it can maintain its quality. In my mind, what was called "inclusive" before was also very incorrect and reference free in that the counts of the miracles were wrong and there were serious errors all over the place that I had to correct. Anyway, I will respond on the central place you typed on Talk:Jesus#Miracles_of_Jesus. History2007 (talk) 20:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- So you ask if the article should be moved. I disagreed. So you moved it anyway. Umm... there clearly is no consensus (yet) for your change. Please wait to see if there is further support. You are welcome to request a WP:RM in order to get more attention at this topic. Thanks. -Andrew c [talk] 05:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- I asked if it should move to "Miracles of Jesus" not to "Miracles of Jesus in the Gospels". In any case, I can (and in fact must) start another page just on the Gospels, because for those who want to know "what the Gospels say" in an error-free and consistent manner, regardless of what some modern pundit and his publisher have decided about historicity issues, the information needs to be available. As with pages such as Good Friday and the long talk there, this will eventually happen anyway, because over time people will come from all over the IP world and try to add material from outside the Gospels. Then the Gospel materials need to be gradually separated to remain consistent. One of he reasons that the Gospel material can and must be dealt with separately is that the views that come off the printing machines every 40 years may change, while the Gospels have been there for many centuries (and will be there for many more) regardless of the views of the commentators and the pundits, be they from the Jesus seminar of the Group of 23. In case you have not heard of Group of 23, it will be formed in the 23rd century by people who have not been born yet to present a new set of dramatically new views based on a set of documents discovered in the 22nd century. But it will not change what the New Testament says, it will just comment on its historicity again and again. And those who want to present historicity views need a clean and separate place to present those, e.g. a section in the Historical Jesus article which has no clear portion for miracles. I think the historicity material needs to start out there, then will in time grow to its own article that will continue be edited by the Group of 23 followers, while the Gospel accounts will remain stable since they involve no news any more. History2007 (talk) 07:10, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Now, what happened to the "central discussion?" You alarmed the watchers of the Jesus page to this article to solicit views, then started typing here again. So let us stop typing there and just do it here. History2007 (talk) 07:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Citation needed; NPOV[edit]
I placed a citation needed tag on this one: "Critical scholars generally concede that empirical methods are unable to determine if a genuine miracle is historical, considering the issue theological or philosophical."
Also, why does the name scholar only appear for those who doubt the miracles. Christians also have many many scholars, learned men, doctors, philosophers, who see that there are no good explanations for these non-natural phenomena, except divine intervention? Historyprofrd (talk) 04:05, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Bart Ehrman and John Meier go into detail about historical methods and the historicity of miracles. They both argue that history works to determine what "probably" happened in the past, and since miracles, by definition, and improbable events, they cannot be examined by historical methods. I'll dig out my books and make sure the sentence doesn't need to be altered, and then add the citation. As for your second question, that may be a valid point. But there perhaps is a disconnect between theologians and historians that shouldn't be ignored. -Andrew c [talk] 05:06, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- I do not see the big deal here: some scholars think one thing, some think another. Just let us say some and be done. History2007 (talk) 08:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- I believe the current wording "Some scholars contend that empirical methods are unable to determine if a genuine miracle is historical, considering the issue theological or philosophical, while others present arguments for the historicity of miracles." is a bit misleading and creates a false dichotomy. Habermas is basically saying what Meier says, which is: "I do not claim to be able to decide the theological question of whether particular extraordinary deeds done by Jesus were actually miracles, i.e., direct acts of God accomplishing what no ordinary human being could accomplish... Rather, my quest seeks to remain within the realm of what, at least in principle, is verifiable by historical research" v.2 p.617 It's not that Some scholars contend that empirical methods are unable to determine if a genuine miracle is historical, it's that empirical/historical methods are unable to determine if a miracle is genuine. I'd posit that most critical scholars accept that the historical Jesus performed acts that were similar to other contemporary miracle workers/magic men, and that he himself, and his peers, believed these works (exorcisms, healings) to be miraculous, in the context of 1st century Judea. However, historical methods cannot determine whether supernatural events actually occurred, and they cannot determine whether the origin of these powers were divine (or infernal or what have you). It isn't clear to me that Twelftree, nor Habermas are making arguments to the contrary. -Andrew c [talk] 18:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- I do not see the big deal here: some scholars think one thing, some think another. Just let us say some and be done. History2007 (talk) 08:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- I still see as a non-issue. Please suggest an alternative wording. The only issue I see is if we assume we have performed a survey of how many scholars are for or against. The Cath encyclopedia seems to be for, but that is another issue. I don't have a problem if you soften this up, as long as we do not assume a survey of all scholars. I have no problem with what there was before. The mistake here would be to let the intro turn into a debate on teh historicity of Jesus, for which there are other articles. History2007 (talk) 19:31, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Discussion on separation of miracles of fish (pre vs post Resurrection) is taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity#Miraculous_draught_and_catch_of_fish. Please comment there. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 23:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
What does the statement on Islam have to do with anything?[edit]
In the opening part of this article, it states:
Islamic beliefs include many miracles of healing and of resurrection of the dead.[9]
But the article is "Miracles attributed to Jesus". I have no idea what that sentence about Islam has to do with anything. It does not relate itself to the article. It doesn't say Islam includes belief in the miracles of Jesus. Either this sentence needs to be reworked or eliminated if it is not relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 04:44, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Given that the goal of Wikipedia is education of readers, that informed me of that fact. I did not know it before, so it is useful to have there. History2007 (talk) 18:40, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Requested move[edit]
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: move. — ξxplicit 01:38, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Miracles attributed to Jesus → Miracles of Jesus — The title of this article should be consistent with other articles about miracles by person, such as Miracles of Muhammad and Miracles of Gautama Buddha. Calling the article "Miracles of Jesus" does not make any claim about the historicity of these miracles, as the title of the Resurrection of Jesus article attests. —Neelix (talk) 14:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- strong support History2007 (talk) 14:36, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support This seems like a straightfoward matter of consistency. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Carlaude:Talk 06:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support per nom. ─AFA Prof01 (talk) 01:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support for consistency; this does not amount to any "endorsement". Johnbod (talk) 04:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Consistency and harmony[edit]
I have been looking at tables that list miracles, parables, ministry, and Gospel harmony etc. to make them consistent. Most of the tables have missing items, incorrect links, etc. as would be expected through manual editing. First, please see: List of key episodes in the Canonical Gospels which I generated from the list of all key episodes in these pages by parsing existing pages in Wikipedia. I am planning to automatically regenerate a consistent and less error prone table here from the list of key episodes, just extracting the miracles.
Help will be appreciated in the following form:
- Please review List of key episodes in the Canonical Gospels that acts as a central repository for Wikipedia links to miracles, parables, etc. If you see errors or inconsistencies there, please correct them based on the format provided on that talk page, and leave a message to that effect on the talk page there.
- Please comment here on what episodes should be considered miracles. E.g. is Samaritan Woman at the Well a miracle or part of the ministry of Jesus? Most books do not consider that a miracle. Moreover, the "Name of Jesus" acting through the apostles is generally not listed as a "miracle by Jesus", etc. If something is considered a miracle it must be listed in the "Miracle Template" and neither of these two items are. The table has 42 miracles, the template has 35 items and there are 37 pages in Wikipedia classified as miracle. Moreover, there is serious inconsistency in naming, e.g. the table says "turned water into wine" and the template says Marriage at Cana, etc. To to achieve consistency across templates and pages, there must be changes.
After comments have been provided, I will just regenerate this table with consistent links and Bibleverses from the key episodes page. History2007 (talk) 04:35, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
exorcisms in John?[edit]
The table of miracles gives several verses from John for the line in the table called: "Jesus' name exorcises demons and performs many miracles." But there are no exorcisms in John, not even in these verses. These verses belong in another line about Jesus' name, not in a line about Jesus' name being used to drive out demons. Leadwind (talk) 23:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
This information doesn't have anything to do with Jesus[edit]
This book is cited twice: '"Islamic beliefs include many miracles of healing and of resurrection of the dead." Heribert Busse, 1998 Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, ISBN 1-55876-144-6 page 114.' This information doesn't have anything to do with Jesus, does it? Or does the source specifically say what Muslims believe about Jesus' miracles. Leadwind (talk) 02:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
This sentence is really bad.
Some scholars contend that empirical methods are unable to determine if a given miracle is historical, considering the issue theological or philosophical, while others present arguments for the historicity of miracles.<ref>Graham H. Twelftree, ''Jesus the miracle worker: a historical & theological study'' ISBN 0-8308-1596-1 page 19</ref><ref>Gary R. Habermas, 1996 ''The historical Jesus: ancient evidence for the life of Christ'' ISBN 0-89900-732-5 page 60</ref>{{fact}}
Which author is saying what exactly? Why do they say what they say? It's not enough to say that some people think one thing while other think another. We should summarize the two opposing points of view. I would say, "Historical methods are virtually unable to confirm the miracles of Jesus because history is about what is likely and miracles are, by definition, unlikely. Historians consider it likely that Jesus' miracles can be attributed to exaggeration, pious invention, and some actual healings. Many Christian scholars, however, consider all of Jesus' miracles to be historical events." If someone can help me by explaining the modern Christian argument for the historicity of Jesus' miracles, that would make this section even better. Leadwind (talk) 02:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
- I think the sentence you object to is poor quality, but you are almost stepping on WP:OR with your own phrases. In the end, the historical debate belongs on the Jesus and history page and not here really. History2007 (talk) 08:07, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
- History: "the historical debate belongs on the Jesus and history page and not here really." It might come as a surprise that WP policy doesn't advocate limiting any particular discussion to a single page. In fact, the perfect article guidelines say that an article should explore every aspect of the topic, using reliable sources. Thus, the historical debate belongs both here and elsewhere. As for my suggestion amounting to OR, that's only if I can't cite it to reliable sources. Leadwind (talk) 23:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
- About the historicity debate, there should be some discussion of the fact that historicity debates are taking place, and will probably take place for another 9,000 years, providing tenure and nice royalty checks to the next generations of Bart Ehrmans to come. But if that becomes the key focus of the article, it will no longer be an article on miracles, but on "historicity of the miracles". I think there are 4 items to teach people here: "what were the miracles reported", then "how are they categorized", "what are the interpretations and motives" and "what are the historicity debates". And the importance decreases along that list. The trap not to fall into is to use this article as a surrogate battleground for the existence of Jesus. The place for that discussion is the Historical Jesus article.
- About the Muslim reference, I was surprised to learn that fact, hence it is educational, and relates to miracles. I did not add that, someone else did, and I found it educational about miracles. History2007 (talk) 03:42, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
End of May edits[edit]
In general, I like the end of May edits of Leadwind in terms of writing style, etc. I have not checked it all yet, but it looks like a few pieces of referenced text that were deleted can go back. But let us wait and see what other people comment. However, I still think the main problem is "what is the actual list" as mentioned in the harmony comment above. I had in fact almost finished a new list based on List of key episodes in the Canonical Gospels and will add that, but that is independent of the recent edits. History2007 (talk) 06:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
New section, "Background"[edit]
I've added a short section putting the Gospel miracles into a cultural context. PiCo (talk) 04:42, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Miracle pages[edit]
Talk:Legion_(demon)#Merger_proposal is discussing a miracle merger. Comments will be appreciated. History2007 (talk) 15:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't Jesus' miracles be referred to as "alleged?"[edit]
Hi. Since Wikipeida does not adhere to the Christian faith and since miracles are not scientific or proven fact, don't you think it would be better to change the opening sentence from,
"The miracles of Jesus are the supernatural deeds performed by Jesus Christ in the course of his earthly career and recorded in the canonical Gospels." to, "The miracles of Jesus are the supernatural deeds (allegedly) performed by Jesus Christ in the course of his earthly career and recorded in the canonical Gospels."
Also, is it just me, or does this article seem slanted towards believers? For example, the opening paragraph seems to imply science has to prove that an impossibility (a miracle) did not happen, when the onus should really be on those making the fantastical claims in the first place. Really, it's not enough for one Christian group in the 1980s to fudge "plausibility" for the believers' unmistakable (and unprovable) "it really happened." Thanks. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Hello Anonymous User. No, they should not be referred to as alleged in Wikipedia (check your spelling). The third paragraph of the lead makes your point abundantly clear. Thanks for your inquiry. ─AFA Prof01 (talk) 00:10, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Why does this entire article hint the God doesn't exist?[edit]
The article on evolution regards to evolution not by "scientists believe that", it just states that evolution is real. However, this article does not. It seems to contradict the existance of christianity and miracles. This is wikipedia. Provide information with it, don't use it to argue against Christianity. To abide by the rules, my beliefs will remain incognito and neutral. Just think it's only fair that both categories should be referred to as if they are indefinitely real. Both Christianity and Evolution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 08:06, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Science is about the facts. Religion isn't. The existence of God is not a fact. Nor his nonexistence. There are no facts in respect to God. There are just different claims about him, made by different people, who mean different things. E.g. the Gnostic Christians maintained that orthodox Christians were deluded to believe in the fake god Yaldabaoth. Their God isn't the same as yours: their One God is far above the creator of this world. They claimed that Yaldabaoth (i.e. Yahweh) is a stupid, arrogant and evil god. Historically seen, their claim is just as valid as the orthodox Christian theology. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:29, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
To the above paragraph: that is a philosophical view known as agnostic atheism, which does not believe God is a rational concept. Unless the reigning philosophy of Wikipedia is agnosticism, this cannot be used to justify the wording of this article. I agree with the first person: it should not be stated "believe that," or it should be consistent. There are atheists who think evolution is a hoot. Be fair; your own worldview influences your speech more than you realize. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:30, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- As hinted above, the truth of religious dogmas is in the eye of the beholder. "Orthodoxy is my doxy - heterodoxy is another man's doxy." William Warburton. According to WP:NPOV (or WP:RNPOV) we treat all religions, past or present, fairly and neutrally (meaning Catholicism does not trump Hellenism, nor Hellenism trumps Catholicism). But Wikipedia isn't neutral in respect to mainstream science and mainstream academic scholarship. At WP:ABIAS I outlined why Wikipedia treats evolution as objective fact and the divinity of Jesus as subjective belief. In respect to miracles, there is a strong consensus among historians that miracles should never be regarded as established historical facts. People like Twelftree are WP:FRINGE. My point is that proving paranormal phenomena or supernatural causation is not what historians do for earning a living. Otherwise we would have peer-reviewed articles like "Have leprechauns dictated the Book of Isaiah? An alternative theory for the claim that angels have dictated the Book of Isaiah", "Historical proof that Attila the Hun was possessed by evil spirits", "Vespasian's godly status confirmed through archaeological finds" and "The role of elves and fairies in World War II combats". Tgeorgescu (talk) 08:03, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
- And just to make sure you understand: I am not an atheist, I believe that God does exist. However, my God is not the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God. But I will readily admit that my belief in God is subjective: it ain't objectively proven that there is any god in control of the world. But my God does exist, unless you are prepared to utter the bizarre claim that nature does not exist. You are free to deny that he is God, though. Tgeorgescu (talk) 22:20, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Recent misinterpretation[edit]
Wikipedia editors should abide by WP:V and WP:SOURCES. At [1] an user has misinterpreted one reliable source. He also changed the words based upon another reliable source, but since I am unable to read it, I cannot be sure that he has misinterpreted it. Please check that reliable source and tell us if he misinterpreted it. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
- Are you referring to the deletion of "Historians are virtually unable to confirm or refute reports of Jesus' miracles or anyone else's because historians report what likely happened and miracles are, by definition, extremely unlikely." If so that is roughly what Ehrman says and I would keep it. It would be better to say that Ehrman says that the historial method can not decide on miracles. Else please clarify which part you meant. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 19:49, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
- I meant the story with Apollonius of Tyana. The previous reading made more sense than the new one, at least it mentioned why Apollonius was such a threat to the image of Jesus. Tgeorgescu (talk) 20:30, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
make Old Testament miracles article and link it to this article at see also?[edit]
Can someone make OT miracles article and link it to this article at see also?
I don't know how to do it. Here's a source that lists a lot of Old testament miracles: http://www.veritasbible.com/resources/articles/Miracles_of_the_Old_Testament
ThePepel-Eterni (talk) 21:55, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- Since this is your idea, I would suggest you giving it a try. Making a new page is not hard. Simply do a search for your suggested page title (such as Miracles of the Old Testament). Wiki will then return a search showing the page doesn't exist, but with a link near the top that allows you to create a page with that title. Ckruschke (talk) 19:29, 25 February 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke
There needs to be a clear reference to the fact that these miracles are not held to be true by any historian. Historians may believe they are true, but they do so as people of faith, not as historians. This is an undisputed fact that the historicity of these miracles is not there. This should either have it's own section in the article or be mentioned in the lead. Otherwise, where should people go on wikipedia to find out the historicity of Jesus miracles. Greengrounds (talk) 03:13, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed that the historical evidence for Jesus' miracles is sometimes tenuous, but I'll have to disagree with your statement that any Historian who determines through his study that there is evidence for the miracles is doing so as a Christian and has divorced himself with scholarly work. As I've seen on other Wiki pages, you seem to have a propensity for taking your opinion and turning it into an incontrovertible fact that THE WORLD agrees with - this violates even the thinnest interpretation of Wiki's NPOV guidelines.
- However, one suggestion I would be ok with is the insertion of something like this sentence at the end of the lede:
- "Certain Christian scholars present arguments for the historicity of miracles.[8][9] "However, there is little if any support for these arguments within secular academic circles."
- It would need a reference - I'm not sure your Ehrman ref supports this, but you could use it if it did. This would be an ACTUAL true statement ("I" believe it's true - it might need tweaking though), it would clearly show that secularists disagree that there is any evidence, and it would be in the lede as you requested. Would that be an acceptable middle ground for you (and the rest of the editors)? Ckruschke (talk) 14:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke
- This has to do with the Enlightenment, which led to methodological naturalism in sciences, including history. Mainstream historians can neither validate nor refute miracles as historical facts. They cannot prove that a miracle did not happen, but according to Ehrman is the least probable explanation of all possible explanations and it is thus not enough for establishing it as a historical fact. Fundamentalist historians disagree with methodological naturalism, but we may safely say it is a norm of doing history in respect to every other subject than Christianity, and it would be special pleading to say it does not apply to Christianity. Otherwise he would have peer-reviewed studies aiming to prove that Vespasian became a god after his death, or that Attila the Hun was possessed by evil spirits. Methodological naturalism silences such discussions and while it cannot prove that such theses are wrong, they are relegated to the realm of metaphysics and theology, not to the realm of empirical science. Most Christian historians are happy to say that as historians they don't know if miracles are possible or even that they personally do not believe in miracles (apparently there is more to Christianity than miracles). In order to write for an audience which may not share belief in miracles, arguments about historical events are kept in the realm of methodological naturalism. Otherwise it would lead to separate classes for teaching history to Protestants, Catholics, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists and so on, while in present-day universities it does not matter one's religion for determining if they are allowed to participate in certain courses of empirical science. Tgeorgescu (talk) 20:29, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Ckruschke (talk) you removed my edit, which seemed to provied all of your prerequisited that you are asking about. Ehrman can be directly quoted as saying that no historian beleives J was resurrected historically. Can you undo your revert, or please be more specific with what you think needs to be changed. A little more info: the direct quote from Ehrman is What about the resurrection? I'm not claiming it didn't happen...I'm not saying it didn't happen. Some people believe it did, some believe it didn't. But if you do believe it, it is not as a historian... he goes on to outline why no historian can prove or accept miracle claims due to the basic methods and principles of the historic method and the nature of miracle claims.Greengrounds (talk) 21:47, 29 August 2013 (UTC)Greengrounds (talk) 21:55, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
- The view that there is evidence for the resurrection of Jesus is indeed marginal in light of mainstream methodology, but nonetheless present among historians. See e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRTUrvTTRAQ Of course, it can be easily put in the same basket with apologetics. Tgeorgescu (talk) 21:59, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
- Greengrounds - The main reason I deleted your edit was because you tossed out this thread about what you thought the article needed to include and then before any of us chimed in, you just went ahead and did it. I clearly state in my revert that it was to allow the Talk thread discussion to actually happen. The main issue I had with the original text was the OPINION that you keep stating that if someone publishes a paper with his evidence of miracles, that it is because he's allowed his Christian faith/bias/POV/whatever to overrule the "actual" evidence that none of it is possible. That person's evidence may be COUNTER to mainstream thought, but to say the author is lying about his finds to support his beliefs is simply an obvious opinion.
- This is why I offered up the simplified statement that removes POV and casting negative aspersions. As I said, I think that this would be an equatable middle of the road between your insertion and leaving the original text. Also it would help if you indented so that we can actually read the thought threads in order of precedence and who is referencing who. Ckruschke (talk) 15:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke
- TGeorgescu, thanks for the info, I know there is some evidence for the resurrection. My question, though is where would I go to find out the general scholarly opinion, the mainstream opinion, like you'd get at Harvard on the historicity of the miracles? It should be this page, right, or should there be a new page discussing that?Greengrounds (talk) 02:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
- I have argued the same in Wikipedia talk pages: scientists cannot prove the occurrence of supernatural events. However, an opinion could be notable even if it is not mainstream. Tgeorgescu (talk) 13:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
- TGeorgescu, thanks for the info, I know there is some evidence for the resurrection. My question, though is where would I go to find out the general scholarly opinion, the mainstream opinion, like you'd get at Harvard on the historicity of the miracles? It should be this page, right, or should there be a new page discussing that?Greengrounds (talk) 02:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Apologetic tone of the article[edit]
This article, as it currently exists, is strongly apologetic in tone. I have made some changes in the lede, which were reverted, and I am going to explain here why I am changing it back.
I see from earlier discussions that there was some suggestion that it should be renamed Miracles of Jesus in the New Testament. That would probably be more accurate, though even then it might be better to call it Christian views of the Miracles of Jesus in the New Testament, because that's what we have here now. On the assumption that that's not what people want to read, I propose a change to a more neutral tone.
I've changed 'recorded' to 'described'. 'Recorded' is usually used of things which have actually happened, and that's controversial, especially since even Christian readers would question some of the accounts in apocryphal literature; plus the next sentence uses the word 'recorded' in exactly this sense. I would like to see a more careful, neutral phrasing: thus, 'described'.
In the lede, we have a reference to the Canonical gospels only. Why? There were many stories told about the miraculous doings of Jesus and they are all relevant to the historical Jesus and what people thought about Jesus in the early centuries of Christianity. The distinction between the New Testament miracles and the rest is a theological, not a historical one: it represents one interpretation. Examples of miracles described in apocryphal texts are given in the body of the article, and therefore should be included in the lede. Of course we can say that these tend not to be given much credence by theologians and are not considered genuine, but that's a point that needs to be made explicitly in the text, not taken for granted in the lede.
Finally, there is the mention of the 'ministry of Jesus'. This phrase crops up in many articles, in good faith I'm sure, but it is Christian jargon. It one way of looking at the life of Jesus, as part of an overarching religious narrative that sees the life of Jesus as a conscious part of the story of Christianity. The term 'ministry' is probably true of Peter, say, or Paul, or any other of the early Christian movement who consciously attempted to create a church. But the question of whether Jesus had any conscious intention of creating a church, and whether his view of his mission can fairly be described as 'ministry' is a theological one. I have yet to see a serious work which uses the term 'ministry of Jesus' which is not written from a Christian perspective. Muslims do not talk of the 'ministry of Mohammed', nor Jews of the 'ministry of Moses', and nobody uses the term 'ministry of L. Ron Hubbard' with a straight face. I can see no reason to have it in this paragraph, anyway.
And I'm removing some very old references. Interpretations from two centuries ago rarely have much value in describing modern views.--Rbreen (talk) 21:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
- Well, according to WP:RNPOV, theology should not get deleted, but simply attributed: most Christians think that..., according to official Catholic theology... and so on. RNPOV says neither that theology trumps history, nor that history trumps theology. While I am not a Christian and I do not like apologetics being included in Wikipedia articles, I have no problem with rendering the views of theologians, provided that they are properly attributed, i.e. made clear who believes them to be true. Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:21, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, yes, I agree - there's a difference between apologetics and other Christian views, and I'm not in favour of ghettoising any particular set of views. What readers should have is a reflection of the diversity of views that exist between traditions, and within them. Come to think of it, even within Christian belief I feel there is a far wider range of opinions and intepretations than are currently expressed here and it would be interesting to see that.--Rbreen (talk) 14:57, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Does the Baker Theological Dictionary of the Bible use the word "supernatural"? Note 1 quotes and paraphrases Baker, then concludes So the term supernatural applies quite accurately. There are at least two things wrong with this. First, if Baker doesn't use the word "supernatural", it's clearcut synth to take a definition from one source, and apply it to another source that doesn't use the term in order to draw a conclusion. That a conclusion is being drawn is signaled by the word "so" (= "therefore"), one usage of which is to introduce a concluding statement. I can't imagine it would be hard to find RS that characterize the miracles of Jesus as "supernatural"[2] [3] [4] [5] so this can be avoided.
Second, having synthesized your own conclusion, it's surely editorializing to praise yourself for it. Even if Baker uses the word (and I can't seem to find this resource anywhere online), it's editorializing to declare So the term supernatural applies quite accurately, unless the source itself has stated that "supernatural" is a "quite accurate" label. Again, there are plenty of RS, including those with Christian sympathies, that contrast historically plausible elements in stories about Jesus with supernatural elements.
So it's no big deal to reframe this, but since any article with the name "Jesus" in the title will no doubt be contentious, I leave the comment here, merely for what it's worth. Cynwolfe (talk) 22:51, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
- Wolfe - are you referring to any specific edit, issue, or person in the above? I'm having trouble following what's going on unless its simply "a shot being fired over the bow" against future disagreements. Thanks - Ckruschke (talk) 17:33, 11 September 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke
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Not sure if this was a line-wide sale, since I don't recall seeing it in the circular, but Target had the Deluxe Classics for $6.99. I think I'm going to see if I can find another Sky Shadow and Junkheap to get my money back at WM. That's a huge discount.
If you find a second set, I will buy the first set off of you. No need to price adjust...
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I go very often to cycle in the nature where is no electricity, and during a long bike tour my phone usually discharges. These smartphones have a large capacity but its consumption is big too. I made a few weeks ago another bike turbine for the Bicycle Contest, but I think I can make a better one. So created an all in one wind turbine power bank.
I like to combine cycling with electronics (these are my favorite hobbies) so that's why I create so much bike gadgets now for the Bike Contest.
This project requires basic soldering experience and some patience.
The price of a device like this is very high on the eBay, 112 bucks!!! Click here if you want to see. OK, my one can't light and isn't so smart but this price on the eBay is ultrahigh.
The gadget was made from scrap parts and from very cheap circuit parts. Now go gather materials!


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No 168 - Weekly - 20 January 2006
[ Transport ]
[ Energy ]
European Commission sets out
ambitious action programme to boost Inland Waterway Transport [ full text ]
On 17 January the Commission
proposed a multi-annual Action Programme in order to foster
transport by inland waterways in Europe. Inland Waterway
Transport is a significant option to improve Europe's
transport system which is suffering from congestion, delays
and which harms the environment. Shifting more freight to
water will help to deal with the constantly growing freight
flows. Moreover, Inland Waterway Transport has great potential
to be fully integrated into the door-to-door logistics chains.
The Action Programme addresses five key components: services,
fleet, staff, image and infrastructure.
May 2006: the ultimate date for the digital
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Jacques Barrot, in charge of Transport policy, has written to
the Member States to explain and re-affirm the Commission's
position on the introduction of the digital tachograph. May
2006 must be the ultimate date for the mandatory introduction
of such a tachograph. In his letter, Vice-President Barrot has
asked the Member States to provide the Commission by 1 March
2006 with a detailed and complete overview of the preparations
at national level, including a confirmation that they will be
ready to put in place the necessary arrangements in due time.
Parliament sinks port services proposals
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The European Parliament for a second time torpedoed proposals on market access to port services. Many MEPs demanded in its place legislation on transparency and fair competition between ports. A number of MEPs also criticised the omission of Parliament's wishes on self-handling and pilot services, which were extremely controversial points of the first ports package.
Parliament gives support to EU external aviation policy
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The European Parliament adopted a report by Belgian Socialist MEP Saïd El Khadraoui on 17 January, which supports the European Commission's intention to make further progress on the EU external aviation policy. The Parliamentary report on EU external aviation policy stressed that a coherent policy should be introduced, which combines market opening and statutory convergence. The report stresses that future air agreements should be balanced in terms of market access, which relates to issues including State aid, cabotage, rights of establishment, property and controls, and competition rules, on a strictly reciprocal basis. Consideration in the selection of candidates must be given to countries of special importance for the European market, notably the United States, Russia and China, as well as countries located closer to Europe. Parliament has requested that the Commission presents examples of "best practice" for the safety of third country aircraft by the end of this year, and supports the extension of responsibilities of the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA). An amendment proposed by the Greens/EFA calling for an energy tax on aviation was rejected.
Parliament also demonstrated support for
Transport Commissioner Jacques Barrot's view that negotiations
with Russia must result in the abolition of charges on
European airlines for overflying Siberia, before an EU-Russia
air agreement can be reached. Parliament adopted the report by
Roberts Zile (UEN, Latvia) on the Commission's request for a
mandate to negotiate overall air agreements with Russia and
China. During the debate before the vote, Transport
Commissioner Jacques Barrot stated that the Commission is
"determined" to put an end to Russian overflight charges. He
highlighted air agreements with Australia, Ukraine, China and
India as among the EU's priorities for 2006.
Andris Piebalgs underlines key role of
research in energy, during visit to technological site
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The European Energy Commissioner Andris
Piebalgs underlined the need to act now to ensure a secure
energy supply for Europe, during his visit of the "Energy
Research Site" at Petten (The Netherlands) on 19 January.
Recalling that the EU currently imports 50% of its energy (rising
to 70% within 25 years), he advocated exploring all sources of
energy and called for greater energy savings and efficent
energy use. Centres such as the Petten site assess the energy
challenges facing the EU and contribute to helping define a
future with a secure, competitive, and sustainable European
energy policy. Mr Piebalgs commented that the combination of
public and private sector partners with the Commission's Joint
Research Centre (Institute for Energy) provides valuable
expertise in different energy areas from nuclear to renewables.
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Virgin Media Contact Phone Number0844 826 0291
Why Call The Virgin Media Customer Service Telephone Number?
Table of Contents
- Fault with services or general inquiries
- Upgrading to Virgin or moving home
- Troubles with billing or payment
- Troubleshooting for internet, television or mobile
- Move services to a new home
- Upgrading or downgrading your Virgin Media package
What Does Virgin Media Do?
Virgin Media is one of the largest companies in the world with a £4.1b revenue. Virgin Media started in March 2006 following a merge of Telewest and NTL, a further merger with Virgin Mobile UK in July 2006 made Virgin the UK's first television, internet, mobile phone and fixed-line telephone service. The service as a whole was bought by Sir Richard Branson at the end of 2006 and the whole company was rebranded as Virgin Media. It has a variety of diverse services including the following:
Virgin Media offers cable broadband and wireless internet access to its customers. In 2013 Ofcom reported that Virgin's broadband speed was the fastest in the UK. Two years later it even improved its speeds at a cost of over £100m and now boasts speeds up to twice as fast as it's competitors thanks to their extensive network of fibre optic cables. Virgin Broadband also won big in the USwith Broadband Awards this year. They won the Fastest Broadband, Best Broadband Provider and Best Customer Rated Broadband awards.Virgin, furthermore, won a contract to provide free wi-fi on London Underground services until 2017. Existing customers are able to have full access for free while non-Virgin subscribers will be able to use it on a restricted or pay-as-you-go basis.
Virgin's broadband advertising campaigns which have made creative use of high profile athletes including Usain Bolt and Mo Farah as well as Richard Branson himself have attracted a lot of attention.
If you want to join Virgin Internet or are having problems with your broadband/wireless service call the Virgin Media contact number. Virgin have also recently launched their big bundle broadband package which features unlimited data at superfast speeds using their New Broadband Super Hub.
Virgin Mobile was the world's first Mobile Virtual Network Operator launched in 1999 in a joint venture with One2One (which late became T-Mobile). They provide various packages of contract, pay-as-you-go and mobile broadband services starting from only £10 a month. Virgin's VIP mobile contract which starts from £22 offers unlimited, calls, texts and mobile data. The Virgin Media contact telephone number will be able to provide you with information about these packages, help you upgrade or deal with any problems you might be having.
Virgin TV is the UK's second largest paid TV service with 3.6m customers. It was formed following the merger of NTL and Telewest in March 2006 and was rebranded as Virgin TV in early 2007. Originally a digital and analogue service, it has now turned off it's analogue services and now offers over 50 digital HD channels all of which are recordable with their TiVo service. It is also the country's largest video-on-demand provider with thousands of hours of content. VOD shows can even be watched on the go via Virgin TV Anywhere. All of Virgin TV's boxes now come with 3D compatibility.
The History of Virgin
Virgin is owned by Sir Richard Branson, an British entrepreneur who built the Virgin brand from nothing into a global brand comprised of more than 400 companies and worth billions. Virgin began in 1970 following Richard Branson's sale of his student magazine he went on to set up a mail order record business before two years later setting up his first Virgin records store in London's Oxford street. Today Richards Branson is the UK's 6th richest man with an estimated net worth of £2.7 billion.
Virgin Media Customer Service Helpline Opening Hours
The contact number for Virgin Media customer services is open from 8:00 am until midnight everyday excluding bank holidays. The Broadband tech support line is available 24/7.
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TV and broadband provider Virgin Media has amazingly been struck with yet another DNS outage just yesterday – the second in the space of a week.
The telecom giant's customers were again left with no internet access after Virgin Media's DNS servers were said to go offline, according to a report from PC Pro. In the same vein as before, customers were also left with no explanation as to what the cause might be, or any idea as to when the service would be running again.
Just like this time last week, the social media networks were flooded with angry customers venting their complaints.
One customer tweeted: "@virginmedia your DNS servers keep timing requests out (has been a problem on and off for a week or so). Are you on the case?"
One way to get around DNS server errors is to re-establish a connection using Google's DNS servers – an easy task for those tech-savvy users.
In one tweeter's response to another, it was suggested that this has even become his go-to method of avoiding internet problems on the Virgin network.
"@NerdManGeek @virginmedia I use Googles. :)" he posted.
Of course however, this nifty trick will seem like utter voodou to the majority of surfers, and certainly shouldn't be regarded as any kind of long-term solution to the problem.
DNS issues are said to have been an ongoing issue for Virgin Media and other providers for some time now, with last week's failure affecting both BT's and Virgin's services.
BT was criticised for failing to react quickly enough, only admitting their had been a DNS problem a day later.
Virgin Media followed the same suit in this case, initially assuring customers there was no problem, before changing tack and acknowledging the situation just this morning. Although PC Pro tried to contact the company to obtain details on what had happened, Virgin had failed to respond at the time of the report being published.
And its not just DNS errors causing havoc for Virgin customers. At the start of this month, residents of the UK's Lincoln, Gainsborough, Sleaford and Grantham areas were cut off from their TV, broadband and telephone lines for 24 hours before regaining access.
The disruption was caused by damage to cabling on the Virgin Media network nearby, which is also used by the Sky Broadband network. A spokeswoman said that engineers had been working on the issue all night in order to get things running again.
Customer Service Guru is a telephone directory and call routing service and is not connected to Virgin Media. The direct contact number for Virgin Media can be found in the public domain or on their official website.


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Greek Tomatoes
|Plum tomatoes
|6 Ounce, cut in half (3 Small Sized)
|Vegetable cooking spray
|Fine dry breadcrumbs
|1 Tablespoon
|Feta cheese with basil and tomato
|2 Tablespoon, crumbled
|Crumbled feta cheese with basil and tomato
|2 Tablespoon
|Dried oregano
|1⁄4 Teaspoon
|1⁄8 Teaspoon
Preheat toaster oven to 350°.
Place tomato halves on toaster oven pan coated with cooking spray.
Sprinkle breadcrumbs over each tomato half, and top with cheese.
Sprinkle with oregano and pepper.
Bake at 350° for 20 minutes.
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Nutrition Facts
Serving size: Complete recipe
Calories 256 Calories from Fat 114
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 13 g19.6%
Saturated Fat 6.2 g30.9%
Trans Fat 0 g
Cholesterol 35.3 mg11.8%
Sodium 829.1 mg34.5%
Total Carbohydrates 23 g7.6%
Dietary Fiber 3.2 g12.6%
Sugars 1 g
Protein 16 g31.8%
Vitamin A 32.5% Vitamin C 28.5%
Calcium 11.8% Iron 12.6%
*Based on a 2000 Calorie diet


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Tomato Bacon Rarebit
|1 Tablespoon
|All purpose flour
|1 Tablespoon
|2⁄3 Cup (10.67 tbs)
|Worcestershire sauce
|1 Teaspoon
|Ground mustard
|1⁄4 Teaspoon
|1⁄4 Teaspoon
|1⁄8 Teaspoon
|1⁄8 Teaspoon
|Shredded sharp cheddar cheese
|8 Ounce (2 Cups)
|White bread slice
|4 , toasted
|Bacon strips
|12 , cooked, drained
|2 Medium, sliced
In a saucepan, melt butter over medium heat.
Stir in the flour to form a smooth paste.
Gradually stir in milk.
Bring to a boil; cook and stir for 2 minutes.
Reduce heat to low; add Worcestershire sauce, mustard, salt, pepper, paprika and cheese.
Cook and stir until cheese is melted.
Place toast on plates; top each piece with three bacon strips, two slices of tomato and cheese sauce.
Rate It
Nutrition Rank
Nutrition Facts
Serving size: Complete recipe
Calories 1834 Calories from Fat 1133
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 126 g194.1%
Saturated Fat 65.3 g326.5%
Trans Fat 0 g
Cholesterol 285.3 mg95.1%
Sodium 4171.9 mg173.8%
Total Carbohydrates 81 g27%
Dietary Fiber 5.4 g21.5%
Sugars 15 g
Protein 85 g170%
Vitamin A 106.8% Vitamin C 53.9%
Calcium 182.7% Iron 10.1%
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Frustrated residents protest outside NY utility
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NEW YORK (AP) – Even as the lights came on for many who lost power in New York and New Jersey during the superstorm and a later nor'easter, hundreds of residents protested Saturday outside a Long Island utility, frustrated by its slow response to outages.
Power restoration has been slower there than in other areas hit by Superstorm Sandy, sparking criticism of the Long Island Power Authority. Some of the 130,000 blacked out homes and businesses the utility serves may not have power restored until the end of Tuesday, according to LIPA.
In the rest of the region hardest hit by the storm, most service was expected to be restored by the end of the weekend, though that doesn't include tens of thousands of homes too damaged to juice up.
"We are sitting in a cold house. No one comes by," said John Mangin of Levittown, N.Y. "There should be criminal charges against the CEO and the executive board of LIPA for failure to do their jobs."
He was among about 300 people staging a rally in front of LIPA's office in Hicksville, N.Y. Not all were without power, but some who have power said they were there to protest LIPA's lack of communication.
LIPA Chief Operating Officer Michael Hervey said the utility was aware that customers haven't gotten the information they've needed from it, partly because of an outdated information technology system it's in the process of updating.
"I certainly feel the frustration of customers whose power remains out. Our hearts go out to them," Hervey said.
But he said workers are repairing unprecedented storm damage as fast as they can. About 6,400 linemen and 3,700 tree trimmers are at work, compared with 200 linemen on a normal day.
In Suffolk County, where about 28,000 customers remain without power, County Executive Steven Bellone announced he was cutting ties with LIPA and would deal directly with substation coordinators.
Hervey said he would not comment on that directly, but added that an ad hoc takeover of the system would lead to anarchy.
"The utility is the best suited to restore power and manage that," he said. "We can't have people step in and take over."
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has called for an investigation of the region's utilities, criticizing them as unprepared and badly managed. On Friday, two congressmen from Long Island called for the federal government to help LIPA restore electricity.
"It's a totally disorganized effort, and LIPA unfortunately seems to have lost control of the situation and that's why you see so many people becoming so angry," Rep. Peter King said Saturday.
In New York City and neighboring suburban Westchester County, utility Con Edison said about 11,400 customers remained powerless, down from a peak of more than 1 million. The number of remaining outages doesn't include about 30,000 Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island homes and businesses that the utility says are too damaged to receive power for now.
In New Jersey, fewer than 85,000 customers were without power Saturday, most along the coast. That was down from 2.7 million at the height of the storm. Most were expected to have power by the end of the weekend.
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Multi-Targeting Deep Dive with Visual Basic 2010
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I'm back with Spotty Bowles, a tester on the VB compiler team, as he shows us the ins and outs of how multi-targeting works in Visual Basic projects in Visual Studio 2010. We've had multi-targeting since Visual Studio 2008, but what's tricky in 2010 is that there are now two supported versions of the CLR. Spotty shows us how to work with client and full framework profiles in Visual Studio, as well as what happens at runtime when referenced class libraries target a different profile. He also shows us how to use some of the new VB10 language features when down targeting to 2.0, and how to specify down targeting from the build command line.
For more information, check out Spotty's article in MSDN magazine:
Multi-Targeting Visual Basic Applications in Visual Studio 2010.
-Beth Massi, Visual Studio Community
For more information, check out Spotty's article in MSDN magazine:
Multi-Targeting Visual Basic Applications in Visual Studio 2010.
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using new language features for old runtime is very nice !
Gives you an excuse to upgrade to 2010 even if you company is still working on 2.0 or 3.5 targetted apps.
vs2010 !
new features !
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Demand for more convenient health care is prompting supermarkets and other retailers to open health clinics. The number of clinics in retail settings rose 11.2% last year, according Thomas Charland, CEO of Merchant Medicine. "You are starting to see a new-found cooperation in the marketplace between retailers and their local hospital systems and physician groups," Charland said.
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