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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China/Archive 7
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- 1 Regarding China Southern Airlines destinations
- 2 New category, need articles
- 3 WikiProject China: Articles of unclear notability
- 4 POV issues
- 5 Renaming Terracotta Army article
- 6 Dehua porcelain
- 7 Dragon bones
- 8 Chinese wine
- 9 Re-design
- 10 Chinese Moslems
- 11 CJKV taskforce
- 12 Tones for Jiang Xiaofeng? (蒋小峰)
- 13 Help for neutrality of articles
- 14 Whether Chinese sources can be used on Wikipedia
- 15 Requesting help with hotel articles
- 16 Requested Move on PLA operation/invasion, Tibet
- 17 Jin Jing article - editor using a blog as a source
- 18 deletion of {{Chinese Emperor 6}}
- 19 Image:Anna May Wong- Picadilly.jpg
- 20 Deletion discussion
- 21 WikiProject Tibet Collaboration
- 22 Image:Mmodel.jpg
- 23 Wǔxiá to Wuxia
- 24 Zhou Enlai
- 25 I watched Forbidden Kingdom
- 26 Reading of Chinese name of Dalian No. 24 High School
- 27 Rating article importance
- 28 Reading of Pai Hsiao-yen (白曉燕)
- 29 Macau and other parts of southern China in the Dutch Empire
- 30 Chinese_name#Alternative_names : need review !
- 31 Deletion proposal
- 32 Pu Ru (painter)
- 33 Hong Kong FAR
- 34 Maps proposal
- 35 Pai Ping-ping and translation from Chinese article
- 36 Move to title with tone marks
- 37 Terracotta Army is in truly lamentable shape
- 38 Category Organization
- 39 China and PRC articles request to be renamed
- 40 TfD on Template:Politics of the Republic of China sidebar
- 41 Romanisation systems
- 42 article improvement?
- 43 worth salvaging?
- 44 Chengdu Stadium redirect...
- 45 Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested
- 46 Serfdom in Tibet
- 47 Sha Yexin new article
- 48 ditto Lei Chen-Tzu..
- 49 Merge proposal China and People's Republic of China to China
- 50 Thin Chen Enterprise
- 51 High School Affiliated to Shanghai Jiao Tong University
- 52 Yunnan tractor/truck hybrid - any term for these?
- 53 About the article Hoa
- 54 Attention all editors
- 55 Chinese music industry
- 56 Page for deletion
- 57 Manhua
- 58 Chinese legend Hai Tung Ching - Is there an article on it?
- 59 Chinese wén rename
- 60 Heavy POV from Diaoyutai Islands article
- 61 Recent event
- 62 Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China - sent for deletion
- 63 Project
- 64 Cuisine articles for deletion
- 65 Big problem -- edit war
- 66 Articles flagged for cleanup
- 67 Page move requests
- 68 Request move: Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island → Heixiazi
- 69 Nanyue -> Nam Viet
- 70 Request move: Zhuyin → Bopomofo
- 71 1421 hypothesis -> mergeto -> 1421: The Year China Discovered the World
- 72 Notice of Motion
Regarding China Southern Airlines destinations
I saw these on the China Southern site, but I am not sure which cities they are supposed to be:
- Huand Guo Shu (AFAIK it is a typo - it should be Huang Guo Shu)
- Jiu Zhai Huang Long
- Kenasi
- Ying Chuan
WhisperToMe (talk) 18:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
- Jiu Zhai Huang Long - sounds like some tourist trap in Jiuzhaigou.
- Ying Chuan - Yinchuan, maybe?
- -Миборовский (talk) 21:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- Huangguoshu Waterfall: in Guizhou
- Jiuzhaigou - Huanglong: an airport serving both scenic areas in Sichuan
- 喀纳斯 - a scenic area in Burqin County, Altay Prefecture
- Looks like Yinchuan. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 06:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, guys! WhisperToMe (talk) 03:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
New category, need articles
I have created a subcategory for Category:Stock characters by characteristics called Category:Fictional elderly martial arts masters. I'm sure there are some people on here that know of some articles that can fit into this category. Thanks. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
- It is conspicuously missing all the ORIGINAL elderly martial arts masters... Zhou Botong, Emperor Xuangong, the sweeper monk etc would all fit. --Миборовский (talk) 04:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- No, elderly martial arts masters have appeared in Chinese novels since the Ming or even before. But I just now added Zhou Botong and Emperor Xuangong per your suggestion (I thought I already added Zhou for some reason). Please feel free to add more characters from Jin Yong's universe that fit the bill. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:40, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
WikiProject China: Articles of unclear notability
there are currently 20 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 12 March 2008 and may be slightly outdated.)
I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.
If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 16:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- OK, I have looked over some of the articles (though not all yet), and I can give opinions on three of them:
- Sima Zhen - article on a famous historian and commentator of the Shiji. I found him referenced in a number of sources, a couple of which I added to the article. I think this one is worthy of keeping.
- Zuo Shu Zhang - I couldn't find any English sources on this, so I looked on the Chinese Wikipedia. It seems to be a relatively minor position in the imperial bureacracy. Maybe worthy of a mention in a larger article, but I'm not sure that it needs its own.
- Chinese Holy Grail - There is already a discussion occurring about this article, which seems to be trending toward a content merge followed by deletion of this article. If nothing else, it definitely needs to be renamed.
Feel free to disagree with me here. Perhaps someone else can look at the rest of the articles.--Danaman5 (talk) 07:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
POV issues
The following have been tagged with POV templates and require discussion or editing to NPOV:
- Environmental issues in the People's Republic of China
- Environmental issues with the Three Gorges Dam
- -- Alan Liefting- (talk) - 21:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- "...the World Bank has reported that 16 of the 20 most polluted cities in the world are Chinese"; see Time magazine's The World's Most Polluted Places
- Linfen, China
- Tianying, China
- Sukinda, India
- Vapi, India
- La Oroya, Peru
- Dzerzhinsk, Russia
- Norilsk, Russia
- Chernobyl, Ukraine
- Sumgayit, Azerbaijan
- Kabwe, Zambia
Renaming Terracotta Army article
I've started a bit of work on this article and think that it needs to be broader in scope and renamed. At the moment, for instance, Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperorredirects to it although it doesn't mention the Mausoleum, or any of the other 594 pits that have been found. The Lishan Necropolis or Great Imperial Mausoleum complex or whatever is one entity and should I think have its own article. I guess it has the potential to be big enough to have a separate article Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor but I don't think it makes a lot of sense to talk about the Terracotta Army in isolation, or the tomb itself without talking about the other buildings, artefacts, the artificial river with the bronze birds, etc. It was suggested that I take the discussion here, so I'm doing that. Thanks.--Doug Weller (talk) 08:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
- There are academic debates about the precise relations between the Terracotta Warriors and the Mausoleum. Theories include that it was actually an army to guard the tomb of one of the First Emperor's ancestors. Supporting evidence include its strange position relative to the tomb, relative distance (much closer to several other Qin royal tombs), and the lack of mentions of the terracotta warriors in historical records.
- My view is that there should probably be two separate articles, and the terracotta warriors can be a daughter article of the main article on the tomb complex. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 01:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
- I know there is an argument that it was the First Emperor's great grandmother the army was for,but so far as I can seeit isn't one involving very many people on the non-First Emperor side -- I can only find one person, the architect Chen Jingyuan, who is arguing this position -- do any archaeologists support him? I don't understand how the lack of mention by Sima Quian (or anyone else) can be used to argue for an ancestor, lack of mention is just lack of mention. True, it is 1.5 km away from the First Emperor's tomb, but who else had the resources for such a huge project? There was evidently a Ge" (sword) with the inscription "Lu Buwei" found with the army, which points towards the First Emperor. There is simply not enough substance to this argument to merit it being used as a reason for the Terracotta Army to be treated separately from all the other finds outside the mauseoleum itself (let alone in an article separate from the mausoleum). As one book I have says, "The physical mapping of the all required aspects of an eternal imperial life across a large area was one of the principle ways in which the tomb complex created a whole world." If you look at a map of the complex, the bronze birds along an artifical river and the terracotta musicians pit are about the same distance away. The archaeologists agree that this is one large tomb complex. The army is part of it, defending the whole complex not just the tomb and facing towards the mountain pass where enemies from the former states might have come from.--Doug Weller (talk) 08:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Dehua porcelain
Hello, I come to here to reawaken a merge proposal proposed by User:Marshall46
I think these three articles should be merged to one article because The three are overlapped and all at start status. I think Blanc-de-Chine could absorb the others but I'm not sure this French title is "common name for the porcelains produced in Dehua. According to Britannica it is named as "Dehua porcelain". --Appletrees (talk) 00:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Dragon bones
There's a suggestion to merge Oracle bones with Oracle bone script. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 08:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
- Comments have been overwhelmingly opposed to the suggestion; the consensus is that the two need to be more clearly differentiated instead. I am beginning work on that now (how could I not? LOL) and will remove the merge suggestion tag when done.Dragonbones (talk) 06:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Chinese wine
Chinese wine is up for renaming. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 04:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe it might be a good idea to give the project a redesign along the lines of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Politics to make the project more usable. What do others think? Poeloq (talk) 15:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- I like their layout. --Миборовский (talk) 05:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Chinese Moslems
Hui and Dungan have been proposed to be merged. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 22:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
CJKV taskforce
The CJKV taskforce has been created to assist in disambiguation of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese when using Kyūjitai, Hanja, Hán tự, Simplified Chinese, and Shinjitai (Kanji). If you wish to participate, please come and help out. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:55, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Tones for Jiang Xiaofeng? (蒋小峰)
What are the tones for Jiang Xiaofeng, the hijacker of a Xiamen Airlines flight? The characters are 蒋小峰 WhisperToMe (talk) 03:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
- 99% sure it is Jiăng Xiăofēng (3-3-1), although it would be pronounced 2-3-1 due to the 3-3->2-3 rule. HkCaGu (talk) 15:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Help for neutrality of articles
Both the article and the portal are currently full of USA-evangelical pushings and false claims. We need an expert to discuss the phenomenon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 19:15, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Whether Chinese sources can be used on Wikipedia
In a discussion at Talk:Amdo, User:Blnguyen, who is an experienced Wikipedian, says that no source published China can ever be reliable due to the Chinese government's policies on press freedom (I paraphrase. You can see what he wrote youself).
It's the first time I've heard of such a policy, if it exists. Could I ask anyone who knows more about this issue to comment there? Thanks, --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 09:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- No such policy exists. Ask him to provide documentation. Миборовский (talk) 04:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
You're kidding me right? If anything, mainland China's news sources serve as important sources for the official stance of the Chinese government on controversial issues. I agree they're going to be bias, but as with anything, this is why we should avoid presenting information as simple facts when it comes to controversial issues. That's why it's important we attribute, and state specifically in articles if any specific pieces of information comes from a Chinese source. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Regardless how you see it, any newsagency source is bound to have some sort of biased stance, depending on which section of society supports it. I think all views regardless of their sources and neutrality should be presented as long as it exists, because it represents the particular views of one section of society. However while writing the information into the article it is best to put a note there to clarify that it is the stand expressed by a particular section. (Not limited to Chinese sources)Mineowyn (talk) 06:06, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed. Too many people misunderstand NPOV as meaning that all POV should be excluded; this is incorrect. Rather, NPOV means that all significant POV should be included as long as the source for each POV is clearly stated. NPOV is an inclusive policy, not an exclusive policy. Attempting to exclude POV is impossible because determining bias is not an objective task. —Umofomia (talk) 06:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Requesting help with hotel articles
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Foshan Hotel and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sunshine Hotel, Shenzhen. The two articles Foshan Hotel and Sunshine Hotel, Shenzhen are both weak, but perhaps they could be improved with information from Chinese-language sources. Similarly, the articles Beijing Hotel and White Swan Hotel could be improved with information from Chinese-language sources. Perhaps the hotels have won awards for their architecture or for other reasons. Any such information could also be added to the Chinese-language Wikipedia if you have the time. --Eastmain (talk) 08:12, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Requested Move on PLA operation/invasion, Tibet
It has been proposed here that People's Liberation Army operations in Tibet (1950–1951) be renamed 1950-1951 invasion of Tibet.
Please join our discussion expressing your viewpoints. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 08:45, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Jin Jing article - editor using a blog as a source
Some new editor keeps inserting a blog as a footnote source for the article on paralympic fencer Jin Jing. Please keep an eye on it. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
deletion of {{Chinese Emperor 6}}
{{Chinese Emperor 6}} is up for deletion at WP:RFD. It is not being used, and Chinese Emperor 0-7 have otherwise been deleted. It s just a redirect to {{Qing namebox}} Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2008_April_14#April_14 Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_September_28#Chinese_Emperor_templates 220.127.116.11 (talk) 05:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Anna May Wong- Picadilly.jpg
Image:Anna May Wong- Picadilly.jpg is up for deletion at WP:IFD... I'm not sure, but it's about 80 years old, so the copyright ran out? Debate is on whether a free image fulfills the function of this screenshot/pub photo from a film. Though if it is no longer under copyright, then it is a free image, making the discussion moot... does someone know the copyright length? 184.108.40.206 (talk) 06:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Deletion discussion
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abing. Badagnani (talk) 03:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
WikiProject Tibet Collaboration
Would anyone be interested in starting a WikiProject Tibet collaboration project? I think with a bit of devoted effort we could bring an article to Featured Article status once every two months or so. I would suggest that, given the current unrest in the region, that we start with a relatively non-controversial topic. I propose Trisong Detsen. Who's with me? --Gimme danger (talk) 06:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
A rabid deletionist put this image up for deletion today "no rationale." Since the original uploader hasn't edited for two years, I put the rationale in myself, being a good sport. Within an hour this same rabid deletionist again tagged this for deletion, under "non-free use rationale is disputed." Whatever this guy's problem is, this is a useful illustration and I think it should be saved. Can anyone help? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Wǔxiá to Wuxia
Requested rename on the article for the fiction genre from Wǔxiá to Wuxia - see Talk:Wǔxiá 126.96.36.199 (talk) 06:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Zhou Enlai
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zhou Enlai. PC78 (talk) 00:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I watched Forbidden Kingdom
I watched an advanced screening of the movie on Wednesday night (April 16th). I know it's kind of late since today is the grand opening, but is it possible for someone to fill out a movie's description before any major reviews come out? I would have expanded the plot section, but I was afraid that it would have broken some kind of guideline because it lacked a supporting source. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 16:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Reading of Chinese name of Dalian No. 24 High School
What is the reading of the Chinese name of Dalian No. 24 High School? The Chinese is 大连市第二十四中学 WhisperToMe (talk) 05:59, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Rating article importance
I've been rating the importance of some articles. There are three GA's I am unsure about. Lingbao School and The Northern Celestial Masters are apparently schools within Taoism. I would guess Mid importance, but I don't know how influential they really were in China.
Also, there is Tiananmen Square self-immolation incident which I would consider Low importance, but there may be some political objections.
BTW excellent job on clearing the assessment backlog. --Slashem (talk) 09:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Reading of Pai Hsiao-yen (白曉燕)
What is the reading of Pai Hsiao-yen (白曉燕) ? WhisperToMe (talk) 08:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Bai2 Xiao3 Yan4 or Bái Xiăoyàn. HkCaGu (talk) 17:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you :) WhisperToMe (talk) 07:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Macau and other parts of southern China in the Dutch Empire
Hello everyone! There is a discussion at Talk:Dutch Empire#Request For Comment: Map, because user Red4tribe has made a map of the Dutch Empire (Image:Dutch Empire 4.png) that includes Macau and other parts of southern China. Would you like to comment? Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
New Map http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dutch_Empire_new.PNG http://www.colonialvoyage.com/ square=tradingpost (Red4tribe (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC))
- Still OR, POV and unsourced (yours is not not a credible source). Please discuss stuff at Talk:Dutch Empire#Request For Comment: Map. This was just a request for comment, not a discussion. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 16:43, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
http://www.colonialvoyage.com/ http://www.colonialvoyage.com/biblioDAfrica.html (Red4tribe (talk) 16:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC))
Chinese_name#Alternative_names : need review !
Hello, I rewritted this section, please review need ! 126.96.36.199 (talk) 13:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)I done my best with this complex topic an my understanding (I had read ALL the related article, but I'm not Chinese)
Deletion proposal
See Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_April_27#Template:Chinese. Badagnani (talk) 14:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Pu Ru (painter)
I created a stub about Pu Ru; I thought this was one good place to ask for improvement to the article. B7T (talk) 19:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- I've got nothing to add to the article, however I'd like to point out that in all his paintings on the gallery provided by the external link, the people were all attired in the traditional Han fashion... I hope everyone realizes the inherent irony in this... Haha. --Миборовский (talk) 23:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Hong Kong FAR
Hong Kong has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Joowwww (talk) 11:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Maps proposal
I'm in the middle of creating a new set of maps for provinces and settlements, and would be interested in your feedback. The proposed base map can be found at Image:China blank map.svg. It is SVG format, sticks to the colours layed out at WikiProject Maps, is partially based on the featured map of India, is NPOV showing disputed areas, and gives better geographic awareness with country borders, lakes and rivers. This map can also be used as a locator map so a red dot can be added to settlement articles. Taiwan is grouped with disputed areas and there is a legend on the image page showing the change in colour. Provinces will be coloured in red. If anyone has any issues with it please don't hesitate to ask. --Joowwww (talk) 21:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- I think the disputed and foreign colors are too similar. It's difficult to make out which is which, especially for Taiwan, which I initially thought you colored in as 'foreign'. Миборовский (talk) 23:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- I've changed the orange to green, as it was hard to distinguish the disputed areas further between orange and yellow. Also I've resized the preview on the right to 280px, which is what you'll see as the standard size in infoboxes. If you still see the old one refresh your cache. --Joowwww (talk) 11:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
If nobody else has any issues with the map I'll start implementing it in the next few days. --Joowwww (talk) 15:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- This map doesn't seem to show areas disputed by the ROC, only those of the PROC. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 05:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- That's because it's only a map of the PRC --Joowwww (talk) 10:35, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but the problem from the map I feel is that regardless of who controls the disputed area, the colors are too subtle to distinguish neighboring foreign countries which looks like parts of China as well. Except the mainland China and waterway or sea, all colors are "Green" tone, so the map can misguide the geographical information. I think the current colors are not harmonious but to be fixed--Appletrees (talk) 20:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Are you talking about Taiwan? If you read above, Miborovsky said Taiwan looked like it was too foreign, and now I get the impression that you are saying it looks like it is too much part of the PRC. I reiterate that this map wasn't made to highlight the disputed areas, and it should not be used on articles that cover that issue. This map's only purpose is to be used geographically, to highlight the location of provinces and to be used as a locator map for settlements. --Joowwww (talk) 20:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- No, I'm not talking about any of the disputed areas but about "neighbors". I would be fine with the map as long as colors of the map clearly distinguish China/Taiwan/Tibet/Other disputed regions from "other neighboring countries". If you want to harmonize all about Chinese territories, you can unify the color with one hue. The mainland China is beige so if the disputed areas are beige tone or yellow, I will be satisfied with your thought on the harmonism. Thanks--Appletrees (talk) 21:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Are you talking about Taiwan? If you read above, Miborovsky said Taiwan looked like it was too foreign, and now I get the impression that you are saying it looks like it is too much part of the PRC. I reiterate that this map wasn't made to highlight the disputed areas, and it should not be used on articles that cover that issue. This map's only purpose is to be used geographically, to highlight the location of provinces and to be used as a locator map for settlements. --Joowwww (talk) 20:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but the problem from the map I feel is that regardless of who controls the disputed area, the colors are too subtle to distinguish neighboring foreign countries which looks like parts of China as well. Except the mainland China and waterway or sea, all colors are "Green" tone, so the map can misguide the geographical information. I think the current colors are not harmonious but to be fixed--Appletrees (talk) 20:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- That's because it's only a map of the PRC --Joowwww (talk) 10:35, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- I think I get what you mean. The disputed areas are darker/lighter shades of the country they are part of, for example Aksai Chin is darker yellow because it is controlled by the PRC. Arunachal Pradesh is lighter green because it is controlled by India. You can see the black border which wraps around the extent of the PRC's control. I can't make the areas more green/more yellow as it would violate WP:NPOV. --Joowwww (talk) 21:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Here is my alternative suggestion. The map is to show geographical information of China along with the disputed areas, so if you want to assimilate the colors, that should only apply to the regions related to China, not neighboring countries. I colored the disputed areas with subtle but similar with the beige.
--Appletrees (talk) 21:24, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I really think the colours focus too much on the diputed areas, which isn't what the map is for. How about grey for all disputed areas:
- --Joowwww (talk) 21:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but the gray color makes the map looks fade. I add the third/fourht options which are less conspicuous. --Appletrees (talk) 21:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, I still think brighter colours take the focus away from the map's original purpose, and some of your suggestions make the disputed areas too bright, seeming like part of the PRC when zoomed out, violating NPOV. Are you intending to use the map on a particular article? If it's about the disputed areas then you can make a separate map with brighter colours for that article. With the previous maps some people complained that the disputed areas were too bright, like here User_talk:ASDFGH#China.27s_maps, and I'm trying not to do that here, but if there is a general consensus among other Wikipedia China contributors that the map colours are too similar, then I will go back to your suggestions and fulfill the discussion. Thanks, --Joowwww (talk) 10:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Pai Ping-ping and translation from Chinese article
Hi! I need some help with Pai Ping-ping - it seems like the information about the shows in which Pai has starred in is exclusively in Chinese. Is anyone willing to take information from the Chinese Wikipedia and port it to the English Wikipedia? WhisperToMe (talk) 01:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- It'll take a lot of efforts off the internet to find the English names for those shows and TV series, if they exist at all. HkCaGu (talk) 03:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- I doubt English names exist for many of those shows, so I would first take the Chinese names and use them. Then check for English names. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Move to title with tone marks
Please take note of this page move. Badagnani (talk) 05:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Terracotta Army is in truly lamentable shape
Hello all. The Terracotta Army is one of the biggest tourist draws in China, its Importance value is rated "Top" in the WPCHINA template on its Talk... and yet its article is in truly lamentable shape. Ling.Nut (talk) 08:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Category Organization
Category:China and Category:People's Republic of China need to have a subcategory organization rule so that editors just change the contents back and forth based on what they alone think. Currently, Category:China has subcats named to pertain to all of China and subcats pertaining just to the PRC and Category:People's Republic of China is mostly devoid of subcats (a recent editor did this). Also involved are Category:Republic of China and possibly Category:Taiwan.
I propose the following organization for your discussion: Category:China will be the top level category with major subcats of Category:People's Republic of China and Category:Republic of China--no change from the present. Category:China will also have the usual subcats that countries have: such as Category:Government of China. These subcats would be composed of matching Category:People's Republic of China and Category:Republic of China, where they exist, and subcats and articles pertaining to China as a whole prior to the ROC and PRC. Example: Category:Government of China would include Category:Government of the People's Republic of China, Category:Government of the Republic of China, Three Lords and Nine Ministers and other assorted pre-ROC pre-PRC categories and articles.
I further propose that Category:People's Republic of China be repopulated with categories and articles that pertain to the PRC. I do not propose any change to the subcats of Category:Republic of China and Category:Taiwan.
The model for my plan is Category:Korea
Your comments/alternatives? Hmains (talk) 01:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- If I understand you correctly, you are implying that all articles relating to the PRC and modern China be categorized under "X of the PRC" which then would be a subcategory of "X of China"? Then users would e.g. click through China --> Economy of China (which would only have historical articles relating to pre-ROC economy) --> and then choose between "Economy of the PRC" and "Economy of the ROC" to reach articles about the modern Chinese economy? --slashem (talk) 05:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- So PRC articles are under Cat:PRC, ROC articles are under Cat:ROC, and PRC and ROC cats also appear under China subcats of appropriate names, which in themselves contain pre-republic articles, and articles that cover all China? If so, sounds good. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 07:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- From my perspective, this is undesirable for two reasons. 1) It implies there is some kind of symmetry between the PRC and the ROC, which is a political fiction, the reality is much more unbalanced than that between North and South Korea. 2) A large number of readers are not going to know the difference between the PRC and the ROC and will therefore click on the wrong link and have to go back. --slashem (talk) 07:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
China and PRC articles request to be renamed
User:SmuckyTheCat is requesting that China be renamed, and replaced by the People's Republic of China article at "China". 188.8.131.52 (talk) 07:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Template:Politics of the Republic of China sidebar has been nominated for deletion. See WP:TfD 184.108.40.206 (talk) 05:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Romanisation systems
Is it really necessary to have outdated romanisation systems in the introduction for placenames? Example: Wade-Giles and Chinese Postal Map Romanisation in the Beijing article. They aren't used anymore so don't really belong in the lead, and are only cluttering it up. --Joowwww (talk) 15:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Peking for Beijing is actually used quite frequently. I have never seen stuff like Peiching, though (only Peip'ing). Yaan (talk) 17:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I know Peking is still used as a name for Beijing, I was just using the Beijing article as an example. There are lots of other Chinese city articles that mention their old romanisations. --Joowwww (talk) 18:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I think they should all list the Chinese Postal name and the Wade-Giles name, because these were or still are the most common name encountered in the English speaking world, and in multitudes of older works, before PROC replaced ROC at the UN. "Canton" for instance, is still a very common name, and arguably the most common name. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 05:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
- I suggest keeping the Wade-Giles romanisation if it is found in older documents, and also including other romanisations if commonly used (e.g. Canton). --lk (talk) 09:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- I know Peking is still used as a name for Beijing, I was just using the Beijing article as an example. There are lots of other Chinese city articles that mention their old romanisations. --Joowwww (talk) 18:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
article improvement?
Wenchuan County and Ngawa Tibetan and Qiang Autonomous Prefecture articles should probably be improved, now that all sorts of information about the region is coming out in relation to the 2008 Sichuan earthquake. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 05:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
worth salvaging?
Is structural bamboo worth salvaging? as bamboo is used as construction material in, about, and around China. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 08:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Chengdu Stadium redirect...
I'm trying to figure out whether this means Chengdu Sports Center or Chengdu Longquanyi Football Stadium. Or are these two the same place? Thanks! --Tesscass (talk) 19:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested
Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 21:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Serfdom in Tibet
This article needs a great deal of work and is in danger of being deleted. Amban (talk · contribs) and Cumulus Clouds (talk · contribs) are contesting the neutrality of the article and requesting its deletion as a fringe theory. Mainstream scholarly sources have been added to the article, but more are needed to make it incontestable. Please pitch in if you can! --Gimme danger (talk) 03:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
- The deletion discussion can be found here--Gimme danger (talk) 16:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Sha Yexin new article
Hi, anyone have any books sources which can beef up this small article? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
ditto Lei Chen-Tzu..
Hi, anyone have any books sources which can beef up this small article? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Merge proposal China and People's Republic of China to China
There's a merge proposal at Talk:People's Republic of China to merge People's Republic of China into China. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 07:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
- And it will not happen. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Thin Chen Enterprise
Does anyone want to find reliable sources about Thin Chen Enterprise? What about Little Red Hood? (Chinese title is 小红帽) WhisperToMe (talk) 15:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
High School Affiliated to Shanghai Jiao Tong University
While I know high schools are generally notable per WP:SCHOOLS and I want to avoid any bias issues, but this high school at least needs a name. I don't read any Chinese but the official website is linked from the article. Would anyone have a go at finding out at least the name to where the article could be moved? Thanks! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 15:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Judging from the school emblem, which contains English initials of the school name, the current title appears to be right. HkCaGu (talk) 17:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Yunnan tractor/truck hybrid - any term for these?
I saw these tractor/truck hybrids in Yunnan that were made by attaching a truck cab and flatbed to a tractor engine. I also raised this inquiry on the Misc. ref desk, but got no definite responses. I'm wondering if anyone else here has seen these and has an idea if there is a term for them, English or not. Thanks. --BrokenSphereMsg me 21:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
About the article Hoa
I move that:
The article Hoa be removed from WikiProject China.
There are many reasons why Hoa should not be part of the said WikiProject at all and I will only touch on some of them. Firstly, most Mainland Chinese, Hong Kongers and Taiwanese do not regard the Hoa people as being of Chinese ethnicity at all; the Hoa are considered a subset of the Vietnamese ethnicity. This fact immediately disproves the misconception amongst many people that the Hoa are somehow not ethnically Vietnamese.
Another reason is that the ancestors (or at least most of them) of Hoa people are strictly speaking not ethnically Chinese. The simple reality is that the label of Chinese ethnicity was brutally imposed on non-Chinese peoples for various reasons throughout world history. For example, in the centuries following the conquest of what is now Canton and northern Vietnam by Imperial China, some of the most despicable acts were committed by the Han Chinese (and probably some sympathisers as well) against Cantonese, Teo Chew, Vietnamese and many other Viet peoples. Local culture was brutally suppressed and many local people became enslaved. In fact these acts amount to genocide and appear to have been done all in the name of Imperial expansionism.
A further reason is that putting such a label on the talk page immediately promotes an 'us and them' attitude. Many culturally minded people (both Vietnamese and non-Vietnamese) are well aware of the very close ties between Teo Chew, Cantonese and Vietnamese peoples. They lament the fact that the former two peoples have been forced to suffer the indignity of being labeled 'Chinese' on a regular basis for no gain at all. Regrettably, there are still many ignorant people out there who still try to make ridiculous claims that ethnic Vietnamese have little or nothing in common with ethnic Cantonese and Teo Chew. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Update: The template in question at Hoa has been removed. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 13:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Object - Roadrunner (talk) 14:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Attention all editors
Please note that the Hoa people are NOT considered ethnic Chinese by immigrants from China, Hong Kong or Taiwan; the 'Hoa' are considered 'Vietnamese'. In light of this, I urge all editors to check that all applicable articles reflect the said classification. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 13:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Please note that you are just wrong about this. Roadrunner (talk) 14:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Chinese music industry
I've been unable to find information pertaining to the Chinese music industry, so I was hoping someone here could help me. Is there a Chinese equivelent to the Recording Industry Association of America or British Phonographic Industry? I ask because I'm working on a global music-market type article (List of music recording sales certifications) and I've been unable to find much info pertaining to Chinese music. Any help anyone could give would very much appreciated. Drewcifer (talk) 02:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
- Probably State Administration of Radio, Film, and Television. Benjwong (talk) 04:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Page for deletion
I am tempted to delete frog day unless someone can prove this is a real holiday. Benjwong (talk) 04:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have any objection to me proposing addition of manhua to the scope of WikiProject Comics' world comics work group? I can't find any cohesive group working on manhua in any wikiproject. I had a terrible time just finding a manhua infobox template. :) I figured the comics project's brand-new world comics group would be a good place to serve as a manhua hub. What do you guys think? Thanks for your feedback! --hamu♥hamu (talk) 02:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Chinese legend Hai Tung Ching - Is there an article on it?
Mandarin Airlines says that it uses Hai Tung Ching (海東青) [1], a golden eagle in the book "Annals of Rehol" as its mascot. The Chinese Wikipedia entry on 海東青 points to the Gyrfalcon on EN, but I am not sure if this is the same legend.
Is there a different romanization that this is known as? WhisperToMe (talk) 03:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- According to zh:海東青 it seems to be a rather nondescript bird. No mythological significance seems to be attached. "Annals of Rehol" is interesting. Rehol = Jehol 熱河 here, and the book is 「熱河志」 "Chronicles of Jehol", a Ch'ing-era (1757) publication. The book does indeed mention the bird, and the description is indeed correct, but it isn't an "old legend" by any stretch. It actually seems to be copied from 「元史」 "History of Yuan", which would have been a Ming-dynasty work (1369). Quoth:「海東青亦曰海青雕之最俊者身小而捷能擒天鵝爪白者尤異次曰玉爪駿俊絕異倫一飛千里」 This is identical to the description on the Chronicles of Jehol. Looks like the Mandarin Airlines people didn't do their homework... Anyway, that was probably more than you asked for. Heh. Миборовский (talk) 08:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- Or it could be a poor translation from Chinese... WhisperToMe (talk) 23:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- Not exactly nondescript. It is the subject of a very dramatic piece of program music for pipa 「海青拿天鹅」 (Haiqing na tian'e/"Hunting eagle catching swans") which is to be heard at [2]. A gyrfalcon used by Mongol hunters to catch swans, as in the quotation from Yuan shi and the pipa piece. Mongols and Jurchens also hunted with golden eagles (jīn diāo 金雕) whence the confusion, I guess.Bloomology (talk) 15:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Chinese wén rename
Chinese wén has been proposed to be renamed Chinese cash (currency) 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Heavy POV from Diaoyutai Islands article
- 1. Chinese Brother(including taiwan), Why This page title name is still "Senkaku Islands"? this is very heavy JPOV. at least, we need more neutral name. like "Pinnacle Islands".
- 2. This article is abandoned by Chinese editor. Why this silly POV pushing sentence still remained?
- Quote from article.
- Their status has emerged as a major issue in foreign relations between Taiwan and Japan. Also, due to China's claim that Taiwan belongs to them, they try to become involved in conflicts regarding the islands, even though the islands have nothing to do with China.
- <<- This is not true. "try to become involved in conflicts??" "nothing to do with China?"
- : Quote from article.
- The Diaoyutai Islands, or Senkaku Islands are a group of disputed, uninhabited islands currently controlled by Japan, but also claimed by the Taiwan (ROC).
- <<- they omitted PRC.
Last, need more editing in territorial dispute section from Chinese side claim.Clerkwheelzeon (talk) 01:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Recent event
I started the article for Summer 2008 China region floods. If this keeps up, it should be put on the frontpage as news or recent events. Benjwong (talk) 13:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China - sent for deletion
Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China has been nominated for deletion at WP:AFD. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 04:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't this project be split in two, one on the PRC, and a coordinating project over all of China/Chinese Civilization/Chinese History ? 126.96.36.199 (talk) 04:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Cuisine articles for deletion
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saang mein. Badagnani (talk) 23:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- Also included in this discussion: Thin noodles, Thick noodles, and Jook-sing noodles. Badagnani (talk) 23:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peanut butter bun. Badagnani (talk) 23:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sausage bun Ohconfucius (talk) 02:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Big problem -- edit war
This edit is the third in 24 hours unilaterally removing Taiwan-related articles from WPCHINA. The problem is, much of Taiwan is intimately related to Chinese culture, and in fact Taiwan was considered Chinese for many hundreds of years. Our project doesn't just discuss the present but also discusses history: both recent and ancient. Please undo this edit, thanks. Badagnani (talk) 05:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
- I have reverted the edit for now, but the user may return.--Danaman5 (talk) 06:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks; in fact, the removed Wikilink was simply in the "Related projects" section -- and I don't think anyone can dispute that WikiProject Taiwan is related to WikiProject China. Badagnani (talk) 06:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 3027 articles assigned to this project, or 19.8%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 18 June 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 12:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
- I have requested a cleanup listing from this bot, which should be ready in a few days (or whenever the bot can get to it).--Danaman5 (talk) 11:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Page move requests
- Talk:Nanyue#Requested_Move Badagnani (talk) 12:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Badagnani (talk) 13:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Request move: Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island → Heixiazi
Request move: Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island → Heixiazi; discuss here: Talk:Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island --Voidvector (talk) 17:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Nanyue -> Nam Viet
Nanyue has been requested to be renamed Nam Viet 220.127.116.11 (talk) 06:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Request move: Zhuyin → Bopomofo
Request move: Zhuyin → Bopomofo; discuss here: Talk:Zhuyin#Requested move --Voidvector (talk) 05:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
1421 hypothesis -> mergeto -> 1421: The Year China Discovered the World
1421 hypothesis has been proposed to be merged into 1421: The Year China Discovered the World (book article). 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Notice of Motion
I move:
that in the event that the motion to rename the article Nanyue to Nam Viet is passed, the said article shall be removed from Wikiproject China immediately and meaningful measures shall be implemented to enforce the said removal.
Seriously, whoever thought that the history of Nam Viet is part of the history of China is either ignorant or simply deluded. The simple fact is that all Viet peoples (including Cantonese and Hokkien peoples as well as many peoples living south of the Yangtze River) are not ethnically Chinese and will never will! Never ever! Seriously, the brutal acts committed by the genocidal Han Chinese against the Viet peoples arguably constitute one of the worst genocides in world history.
The rampant Sino-centric bias and nonsense must stop now. So it is time that editors stopped pretending that the Cantonese and other non-Vietnamese Viet peoples have little in common with the Vietnamese people. We need to start recognising the fact that all Viet peoples share a common history of armed resistance against the barbaric invaders from the north now. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 10:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose. It is part of Chinese history, as well as that of Vietnam and 99 other non-Sinitic ethnic groups living in what is now mostly southern China (and a small part of Vietnam). The ruler of Nanyue, Zhao Tuo, was born in northern China, not the Red River Valley of Vietnam. Badagnani (talk) 16:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
- Is the user aware of the fact that Trieu Da of Nam Viet assimilated to Viet culture(s)? Is he also aware that the modern-day Vietnamese ethnic group is really a supra-ethnic identity that is meant to encompass a wide range of smaller and barely distinguishable ethnic groups (many of which did NOT originate in the Red River Valley and in fact originated from places like present-day Canton)? 22.214.171.124 (talk) 01:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - So the claim is that all 100 of the Hundred Yue living in the yellow portion of this map were ethnolinguistically Vietnamese? That is quite a stretch, and quite untrue. The Hundred Yue encompassed Kam-Tai (Daic): Zhuang, Buyi, Dai, Sui (Shui), Kam (Dong), Hlai (Li), Mulam, Maonan, Ong-Be (Lingao), Thai, Lao, Shan, Hmong-Mien, and Vietnamese. Regarding Zhao Tuo's purported assimilation to the Vietnamese culture, that may have been possible had he been living in the Red River Valley; however, he lived in Panyu (today called Guangdong), which was inhabited by people similar to the Zhuang people. The Vietnamese language is Mon-Khmer while the Zhuang language is Tai-Kadai. In this light, your claims just don't make sense. Badagnani (talk) 01:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that 'Viet' is NOT a synonym for 'Vietnamese'. Since you are not the only one who seems to believe that 'Viet' means' 'Vietnamese', I think I need to make it clear that I say 'Viet', I mean 'Yue' as done in some other Wikipedia articles such as Nanyue and Yue (peoples). So I never claimed that Trieu Da assimilated to Vietnamese culture(s); I only claimed that he assimilated to one or more Yue (Viet) cultures. I wonder if the word 'Viet' has been hijacked to serve the ideologies of extremists (which apparently involves using the label 'Chinese' to smear as many non-Vietnamese Viet peoples as possible). 22.214.171.124 (talk) 11:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Note: The motion is void since the motion to rename Nanyue to Nam Viet has been negatived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 11:27, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
- This motion makes no sense. Nam Viet was founded by a Chinese General, therefore it falls under the Military History of China. The descendant peoples of Nam Viet in part still populate southern China, therefore this falls under China. The area Nam Viet occupied is for the most part in China, so this falls under History of China. It's like saying that Roman Gaul isn't part of French history. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 12:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
- From similar logic, it can be argued that Annam (Chinese Province) should not be part of WikiProject Vietnam, because it was a Chinese province. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 12:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


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Forest Preserve District of Cook County's Camp Sagawau is an environmental education center established to promote the study of nature. Call for program schedule.
This environmental education and cross country ski center is dedicated to educating the public while protecting and restoring our natural environment.
Camp Sagawau Environmental Education Center
Environment Education Center - offers cross country skiing in the winter.
Cog Hill Golf and Country Club
The public is invited to play any of Cog Hill's four award-winning, 18-hole championship golf courses, including the world-famous Course #4, Dubsdread. Dubsdread was host to the PGA Tour's BMW Championship from 2009-2011.
Just 30 minutes from downtown Chicago, Ruffled Feathers' aesthetic beauty is matched only by the genius layout. We are the only Pete and P.B. Dye designed golf course in Illinois and a must-play for any devoted golfer. Our championship caliber, well-conditioned golf course awaits your arrival with one of the finest sets of par 3's in the Midwest. Ruffled Feathers has 18 wonderful holes with tee sets for all skill levels and is your premier place to golf.
Our two, 18-hole championship courses at Gleneagles are called the Red or Lakes course and the White or Woodlands course. As you play, there is little co-mingling of the two courses. Each is a stand-alone jewel, with unique characteristics and nuances. But together they offer a unique opportunity for you to host a 288-player shotgun outing with relative ease.
Magnificent, 1,700-acre museum of trees and plants from around the world. Hiking trails, paved roads, restaurant, gift shop, open-air tram and handicapped accessible facilities.
Cross-Country Skiing & Snowshoeing at The Morton Arboretum
Explore a winter wonderland at The Morton Arboretum, where you'll find 3.5 miles of groomed ski trails. Bring your own or rent a pair of snowshoes or cross-country skis (in children's and adult sizes). Ski trails are open when there are four or more inches of snow on the ground.
People of all ages come to Four Lakes to learn, enjoy, and challenge the sport. Whether it is to have an amazing afternoon with your family, get away with a few friends, or bring your entire boy scout group out, Four Lakes is the most convenient area to hit the slopes for everyone.
40-acre playground, garden and multi-purpose sports field facility nestled in the heart of DuPage County Forest Preserve's Danada South area. Strategically designed to meet the needs of each visitor through our senses of smell, sound, touch, sight and imagination
Volz Fieldhouse- Dellwood Park
Dedicated on February 12, 2009, Lincoln Landing is Lockport's newest attraction. This park, located on the original Public Landing platted as a dock area by Canal Commissioners in 1836, features a unique bronze statue of a young Abraham Lincoln created by artist David Ostro. Interpretive signage through the park highlights the history of the I&M Canal, its impact on the Lockport community, and Lincoln's connections to both. This open-air museum is self-guiding, but is enhanced by a website with school lesson plans.
Located in Lockport, IL, just 40 miles southwest of Chicago's Loop, Broken Arrow features 27 holes of Championship Golf, Driving Range, and Banquet Venue. Broken Arrow utilizes the "Prolink" GPS System by GPS Industries on its entire fleet of Club Car Golf Carts. These large and easy to use systems act as "virtual caddies" designed to give you all the information you need. At a glance, golfers can see the entire hole, hazards, bunkers, and rough areas. This system also allows the golf shop to issue weather warnings and other messages to golfers. The clubhouse features a full service golf shop, snack bar, locker rooms, restaurant, and banquet room. Accommodating up to 250 guest events, the Banquet Room is perfect for making your dream event a reality! With 27 holes of Championship Golf, Restaurant, and Banquet Venue, Broken Arrow has plenty to offer.
Enchanted Castle Restaurant & Entertainment Complex
Chicago's premiere entertainment complex! 60,000 sq. ft. of fun featuring: indoor go karts, laser tag, bumper cars, 200+ games, mini golf, Kid's Quest Softplay plus a 625-seat restaurant w/ great food and song (karaoke)., Sir Bounce-A-Lot Jumpland coming this summer! Great team building and corp. events for up to 1,800.
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - Check out the Lombard Park District's award-winning aquatic facility! State-of-the-art amenities are endless and include a 140,000-gallon leisure pool, bowl slide, zero-depth pool, bubble bench, lap pool, drop slide and much, much more!
This 9-hole, par-35 course stretches over 3,000 yards. The well-maintained fairways and greens, along with sand and water hazards, offer a unique and challenging golf experience. The newly remodeled clubhouse is a picturesque location for a special event.
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - In addition to quality parks and facilities, enjoy a variety of recreational programs and special events for all ages.
Kuipers Family Farm is a 230 acre entertainment farm. U-Pick Apple Orchard September thru October. Orchard Store is open thru Mid December offering apples, pasteurized apple cider, our famous cider donuts, home baked pies, cream & butter fudge & country gifts and goodies. Have we grown a challenge for you at The Amazing Maize Maze open weekends only thru October. U-Pick Pumpkin Farm Mid September thru October features Scarecrow Acres where customers can enjoy hay wagon and pony rides, the Haunted Forest, a petting corral and much more down-on-the-farm fun! U-Cut or precut Christmas Trees Nov. thru Mid Dec.
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Since 1981, Theis Farm Market has been providing high quality, exceptionally great tasting local produce. Family owned and operated, they take pride in their work and are constantly striving to meet new demands by delivering even better tasting produce and higher quality products. They started out with a wagon by the road full of vegetables. Greenhouses came as a necessity for the starting of our field plants. They decided to do a few flowers for fun and that quickly turned into the place to go for top quality beautiful bedding plants, including Barb's original mixed planters and baskets. Now they have bedding and vegetable plants starting in the spring following through to summer with ripe tasty vegetables and into the fall for pumpkins, squash, gourds and all your other fall decorations. They always carry fresh eggs, homegrown popcorn, honey from the bees on their farm, syrups and jams from slack's. May1st-October 31st Monday-Saturday 9am-6pm Sundays and Holidays 10am-5pm Closed: July 4th
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Come experience a special brand of bowling fun! As one of the largest centers in Illinois, Parkside Lanes is able to offer a variety of bowling formats, including open bowling, junior and adult league bowling, Sport sanctioned bowling, IHSA high school bowling, birthday parties, corporate events, fundraisers and more. Please use their Open Bowl information page or call for lane availability.
Enjoy hiking, jogging, cross-country skiing, camping, snowmobiling, fishing, boating, canoeing and biking along the I&M Canal State Trail. This 61-mile recreational trail begins at Brandon Road in Rockdale and parallels the canal to LaSalle Peru.
Heidecke State Fish and Wildlife Area
State hunting, fishing, and wildlife refuge.
William G. Stratton State Park
Although only 613 acres in size along the Illinois River, this state park is widely used by boaters and anglers of northeastern Illinois. Launching ramps with docks serve boaters from the Illinois River Bridge in Morris.
Goose Lake Prairie State Natural Area
Largest tall grass prairie in Illinois. Big bluestem, Indian grass, and switchgrass thrive here, as do broad-leafed flowering plants known as forbs. Hiking and cross-country skiing.
Less than 1 hour from Chicago, Kayak Morris provides unique rentals, guided tours and lessons. Trips are approximately 2 hours in length. Kayak and canoe tours maintain a leisurely pace, making stops along the way to enjoy nature and to take a rest. For a faster pace try a specialty kayak or canoe tour. All kayak and canoe tours will be on the Illinois River, Mazon River or I&M canal. All tours include kayak or canoe, life vest, paddle, lesson, and safety briefing. Tours are kept small in size to maintain comfort and pacing, so make sure to reserve your place ahead of time.
Hikers, campers, picnickers, and canoeists frequent this 30-acre site, making it one of the state's most popular state parks. Fishing, boating and bird watching are also popular activities. This picturesque park is bordered on the south by the Illinois & Michigan Canal and to the north by Nettle Creek which gently flows along the perimeter and through the park adding to its natural beauty and abundance of wildlife. Stately old trees including walnut, oak, ash, maple, sycamore, hawthorn and cottonwood provide ample shade throughout the park. In the spring, trillium, bluebell, white trout lily, violets, wild ginger, phlox, toothwort and spring beauties are just a sample of the wildflowers that can be enjoyed by park visitors.
Hikers, campers, picnickers, and canoeists frequent this 30-acre site, making it one of the state's most popular state parks. Fishing, boating and bird watching are also popular activities. This picturesque park is bordered on the south by the Illinois & Michigan Canal and to the north by Nettle Creek which gently flows along the perimeter and through the park adding to its natural beauty and abundance of wildlife. Stately old trees including walnut, oak, ash, maple, sycamore, hawthorn and cottonwood provide ample shade throughout the park. In the spring, trillium, bluebell, white trout lily, violets, wild ginger, phlox, toothwort and spring beauties are just a sample of the wildflowers that can be enjoyed by park visitors.
Waterfall Glen Hike in DuPage County is a nice, moderate hike. This trail wraps around Argonne National Laboratory and is 11.4 miles long. The main path consists of crushed limestone, but it is ok to take the side trails that are mowed grass or part of an abandoned railroad track. Most of the path is under a tree canopy. Marshes and swamps abound in this area so be sure to bring some insect repellent.
Introducing Nettle Creek Country Club in Morris, Illinois. Nettle Creek is links-style golf in a beautiful prairie environment rich with wildlife. Renowned on the Chicagoland golf circuit for its fabulous greens, this upscale, 18-hole championship course is an easy drive from the populous Naperville-Bolingbrook-Plainfield area and just 18 miles west of Joliet on I-80.
Located just north of Morris, IL, the Grundy County Fairgrounds features the 1/3 mile paved Grundy County Speedway and many annual events. Don't miss the Grundy County Agricultural District Fair, the Illinois Beer Festival, Grundy County Corn Festival and more.
Two full-sized rinks are open for year-round skating. All Seasons also offers a game room, ballet room, pro shop and party room.
Odyssey Fun World - Naperville
Out of this world family fun featuring a four-level exploration playland, tag team laser trek, interactive video/prize redemption/games and outdoor amusement park. Caters to groups.
Located in west central Naperville and adjacent to the DuPage County Forest Preserve's Dragon Lake, Springbrook Golf Course commands some the finest views of Naperville's open space and trails. Built in 1974, the facility features a challenging 18-hole championship golf course, a 28-stall natural turf driving range, two practice putting green with bunkers. Its beautiful, mature and lush foliage and trees complement the manicured greens, tees and fairways. Combined with its exceptional course design, golfers of all skill levels return time and again to play.
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - Brunswick Zone in Naperville offers bowling, billiards, an arcade/game room, Laser Tag, Bumper Cars plus meeting space for corporate parties, team-building and special events.
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - Jump in to summer fun at Centennial Beach! Featuring four acres of grass and trees, a sand beach, water play features, an NCAA/U.S.S.-approved diving complex, this historic beach is a place the whole family can enjoy! With water depths ranging from zero to 15 feet, the facility caters to swimmers of all skill levels. Combined with a playground, Frisbee® Area, shallow end slide, concessions stand and Beach store, Centennial Beach is the perfect way to beat the summer heat. Named "best public place to swim" in 2008 by Fox News Chicago viewers in an online poll!
Along with 18 superbly conditioned holes of golf, The Sanctuary has an excellent grass practice range, short game area, putting green, full service golf shop with PGA Professional Bob Schulz. The Bunker Grill has great food and beverage offerings. For those who want a challenging golfing experience at a great price, there are few better choices than The Sanctuary, anywhere! Book your tee-time now at 815- 462-GOLF (4653) or book on-line.
CITY:New Lenox
Knutson's Country Harvest is located in Newark, Il. We have pies, (made from scratch) baked or frozen. Jams,Pickles, honey, etc. Our u-pick orchard includes strawberries, blueberies, apples, peaches and many other fruits and veggies.
Nestled on the east bank of the Fox River, the Red Oak Nature Center is surrounded by 40 acres of lush forest and wildlife habitat – an ideal setting for visitors to learn about the great outdoors through direct interaction with nature. Six wood-chipped hiking trails and the nationally renowned Fox River Trail offer avenues of exploration via hiking and biking, with interpretive signs along the way that explain the ways of nature. Inside the Nature Center, the "Sense the Seasons" exhibit further enhances the educational experience, featuring environmental exhibits and "hands-on" participation.
CITY:North Aurora
The Fox Valley Golf Club, built in the 1920s, located on Route 25 in North Aurora, is an 18-hole golf course that plays 5,927 yards. The course has bentgrass/annual bluegrass greens, bluegrass/ryegrass fairways, tees, and fully automated irrigation on greens, tees, and fairways. Several ponds enhance the aesthetics of the course, along with 56 sand bunkers.
CITY:North Aurora
269-acre sports facility that offers upscale banquets, weddings, corporate picnics, golf and polo outings for 250-400 people. Tents can be added for larger groups.
CITY:Oak Brook
18-hole golf course with driving range, restaurant and pro shop. Oak Brook Golf Club is a classic playing experience in a spectacular natural setting where every hole calls for solid shot-making from tee to green. Unlike boring daily-fee courses of cookie-cutter municipal courses, this is a thinking person's course that rewards sound play for players at any skill level.
CITY:Oak Brook
Willow Crest Golf Course is an 18-hole championship golf course with water, sand, bunkers and beautiful landscape with multi-tiered tees and bent grass tees. Group outings, memberships and overnight packages are available.
CITY:Oak Brook
Fullersburg Woods Nature Education Center
Educational facility offering exhibits, interactive programs and interpretive trails that highlight DuPage County's unique natural history. Open daily. Admission free.
CITY:Oak Brook
The Oak Brook Park District represents five parks totaling 150 acres, and four facilities: Family Recreation Center (the Family Aquatic Center and Premiere Fitness Club), the Racquet Club, the Dorothy and Sam Dean Nature Sanctuary and Central Park West.
CITY:Oak Brook
Fullersburg Woods Forest Preserve
The Fullersburg Woods Forest Preserve is an easy hike consisting of a 3.2-mile loop. The trail is good for all skill levels and offers a number of activity options. Nearly all of the hike follows Salt Creek as it winds around the bluff and past a few islands on its way to the historic watermill at the south tip of the park.
CITY:Oak Brook
Lake View Nature Center is dedicated to bringing fun, hands-on environmental education and recreation opportunities to promote awareness and appreciation of the natural world. Learn and play with hands-on exhibits, live animals, fishing pond, and summer paddleboat rentals.
CITY:Oakbrook Terrace
Oswegoland Civic Center Aquatic Park
This community water park features colorful slides, tubes, a zero-depth pool and concession booth.
Fox Bend offers a challenging and scenic tour of streams, ponds, willow trees and elevation changes. This highly regarded course has played host to several tournaments and qualifiers.
Saw Wee Kee Park sits along the south shore of the Fox River. Located in Oswego this park has an abundance of fun, advanced mountain bike singletrack trails to conquer. These 5 miles of steep inclines and quick descents will give you plenty of stories to tell your friends. While you are there you can also fish, kayak and canoe along the Fox River.
Lake Renwick Heron Rookery Nature Preserve
Nature preserve for bird watching. There are herons and egrets which flourish through the parks and around the lake.
The Links at Carillon is a 27 Hole Public Golf Course located right off of I-55 and Weber Rd. The Links offers you a beautifully maintained golf course at some of the best rates in the Chicagoland area! Come experience "The Gauntlet" which is our signature par five known as one of the "Dream 18" holes. Whether it is for your next outing, just to hit some range balls or for your next round of golf, Come check us out!
The Homestead Sculpture Garden and Labyrinth
Art lovers will admire the beautiful brick labyrinth and distinctive contemporary sculpture garden here.
Brunswick Zone XL is a full-feature, family-friendly entertainment destination with something for everyone. Our center in Romeoville sets the standard for family entertainment with more than 60,000 sq. ft. of fun for all ages. Brunswick Zone XL is a great place for Corporate Parties, Team Challenges, Monumental Moments and Birthday Parties! Call us today for more details. Become a fan of Brunswick Zone XL on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/bowlbrunswick
Brunswick Zone XL is a full- feature, family- friendly entertainment destination with something for everyone. Our center in Romeoville sets the standard for family entertainment with more than 60,000 sq. ft. of fun for all ages. Bowling, billiards, video games and more!
Canlan Ice Sports Romeoville is a 3-sheet ice facility featuring industry leading sport development programs, leagues, special events and birthday parties. It's the premier skating facility in Romeoville, IL. Open Mon-Fri 8am-11:00pm Sat & Sun 6am-11:00pm
Recently sweeping the national award season, Mistwood Golf Club was selected as Golf Magazine's " Renovation of the Year", one of Golf Digest's "Best New Courses", and one of Golf Range Magazine's "Top 50 Public Ranges"! Designed and renovated by course designer Ray Hearn, Mistwood Golf Club features 20 St. Andrews- style sod-wall bunkers, truly bringing a feeling of Scotland to the Midwest. Additionally, Mistwood has five tee placements per hole with the ability to now play over 7,000 yards. Part of the recent renovation also included the construction of a brand new 5,000 square foot Performance Center at the foot of our driving range that offers custom club fitting, club repair services, and lessons. Construction of a new Scottish-style, 26,000 square foot clubhouse is currently underway, and will be complete in the summer of 2015. Come experience Chicagoland's premier public course. Come experience Mistwood Golf Club!
Experience the best of autumn and Christmas at Larson's Family Farm. Fall features include pick-your-own pumpkins, gourds and squash. Hayrides and bonfires available on October weekends. Harvest decorations and antiques for purchase in the Barn Store. U-pick Christmas trees, handmade evergreen wreaths and lengths of roping available in winter. Enjoy a steaming cup of hot apple cider and shop the Barn Store for antiques and Christmas decorations. Contact the farm for special event and farm tour information. Lasting memories are made at Larson's Family Farm!
Welcome to Edgebrook Golf Course, your number one option for a round of golf in Sandwich, Illinois. Edgebrook Golf Course is located just west of the Chicagoland area, which allows us to offer a convenient location along with an uncrowded feeling of true serenity. In addition to a fantastic course, our facility also boasts two practice putting greens, one chipping green and fully-lighted driving ranges with all grass tees and six target greens. Here at Edgebrook we also offer season golf passes, lessons and special deals for your next golf outing.
Timeshare resort and campground.
We are a diverse, modern farming operation located in the heart of Illinois farm country with state of the art facilities and equipment. We can arrange tours and have banquet and meeting space for groups and weddings.
This 17-mile trail replaces the abandoned main line of the Chicago Great Western Railroad. It is a flat easy ride connecting the communities of St. Charles and Sycamore.
CITY:St. Charles
River View Miniature Golf Course
Most challenging course in the Fox Valley Area! Naturally landscaped greens - multiple obstacles - sand traps - waterfall and babbling brook - windmill - lighthouse - bridges. Daily specials & discounts. Scenic views along the Fox River.
CITY:St. Charles
32 miles of biking, hiking and cross-country skiing featuring some of the most scenic trails of the Fox River. Points of interest include Carpenters Dam, Fox River Shores, Tyler Creek, Voyageur Landing, Shoemaker Nature Center and Fabyan Forest Preserve.
CITY:St. Charles
Nestled on the banks of the Fox River and used annually by tens of thousands of people, the 9-hole regulation Pottawatomie Golf Course, which is owned and operated by the St. Charles Park District, is certainly the most beautiful golf course in the Fox Valley area offering scenic views with lush landscapes along the shore of the Fox River.
CITY:St. Charles
Beautiful park along the Fox River & Ferson Creek offers picnic sites, shelter, playground, fishing and and canoe launch.
CITY:St. Charles
With 473 luxurious guest rooms, two championship golf courses, a renowned spa, award-winning dining and entertainment, three pools and extensive meeting and conference facilities, Pheasant Run hotel in St Charles IL is the perfect setting. And, while you're getting that special spa treatment or enjoying a romantic dinner or play, your children can have a great time in our Kid's Klub. This special program offers supervised activities for children ages 3 to 11 years. Activities include playing games, watching movies, and making crafts to take home. Plus, every Saturday you can visit the craft corner where Mom and Dad can join in on the fun and make some seasonal themed crafts with their kids. Board games are also available for check-out through the Activity Desk.
CITY:St. Charles
Canoe & Pedal Boat Rentals: Pottawatomie Park
Enjoy the scenery from the waters of the Fox River! Rentals Mid-May through Mid-August. All rentals launch from the River View Miniature Golf Complex within Pottawatomie Park. Deposit required. Children age 15 and younger must be accompanied by an adult (age 18+). All rentals are subject to safe river & weather conditions. Sorry, no boat rentals on July 4th.
CITY:St. Charles
A public park with lighted softball/baseball fields, basketball courts, playground, skateboard park, volleyball courts, tennis courts, dog park, fishing pond with a pier, shelter, walking trail, restroom.
CITY:St. Charles
Riverside park offering paved bike trails, fishing, picnic areas, shelter & tennis courts, outdoor arboretum, skateboard park, playground, canoe launch, picturesque pond and waterfall. Located on the Fox River Trail.
CITY:St. Charles
Historic park offers swimming pools, picnic areas, shelters, playgrounds, sand volleyball court, seasonal canoe and pedal boat rentals. Nine-hole golf course, 18 hole miniature golf course. Multi-use community center, paddlewheel riverboat cruises, tennis courts, native plant demonstration garden, paved bike trails, fishing. Located only the Fox River Trail.
CITY:St. Charles
Splash Park at Campton Hills Park
The splash park has many interactive water play features for children of all ages to enjoy. Some features include spray columns, spray loops, dumping buckets, spray cannons, bubblers, geysers and water wheels. These water features are constructed on top of a safety surface. The facility has a sand play area with water and sand play toys. This facility also has deck chairs and shade structures.
CITY:St. Charles
Park has ball fields, sand volleyball courts, basketball courts, tennis courts, soccer goal posts, playground, benches & picnic tables, parking lot, pavilion and restrooms. A great family and group park.
CITY:St. Charles
Open area with both indoor buildings and outdoor displays. Special events are held here nearly every weekend, including the famous Kane County Flea Market.
CITY:St. Charles
The western-most, and older, section of the Great Western Trail is located between St. Charles in Kane County and eastern Sycamore in DeKalb County. This section of right-of-way was abandoned in 1977. The 18-mile (20km) crushed-stone path traverses unincorporated rural townships, natural wetlands, some restored prairie and farmland. The trail also passes through Virgil and Lily Lake and parallels Illinois Route 64,
CITY:St. Charles
St. Charles Paddlewheel River Boats
Cruise the scenic Fox River from Pottawatomie Park in St. Charles on the Fox River Queen or the St. Charles Belle paddlewheel riverboats. Daily afternoon sightseeing trips or private charter cruises May 1-October 15.
CITY:St. Charles
Open May through October, the farm offers home-grown produce and fruits, flowers and bedding plants, and a petting zoo. Visit Norton Hollow October 1-31 for free hayrides, a straw maze and a corn tunnel.
CITY:St. Charles
This 1930s living history farm features a farmhouse, barns, livestock, farm discovery trails, fruit orchard, garden plots and a picnic pavilion.
CITY:St. Charles
This is self guided river trips with canoe or kayak. The St. Charles trip takes about 2 1/2 hours.
CITY:St. Charles
Creek Bend Nature Center features interpretive displays and hands-on exhibits. All the exhibits you loved at Tekakwitha Woods have been relocated here, including Prairie Ecology, with the bison and biodiversity components, and the ever-popular Clams-Eye View of the Fox River. There are separate rooms for classes and a lab. There's something for any nature lover at Creek Bend Nature Center, from bird watching to guided nature hikes, nature programs and self-guided activities.
CITY:St. Charles
Hickory Knolls Discovery Center
A destination unlike any other features Fox Valley's natural treasures. Indoor turtle pond, wetland exhibit, live animal displays. Great for birthday parties or facility rentals.
CITY:St. Charles
Splash park features interactive children's water play area with safety surface.Lazy River, tube and body slides, lap pool, zero-depth entry pool, toddler pool, diving boards, concessions, sand play area.
CITY:St. Charles
Go-karts, mini golf, bumper boats, a driving range and a game room are the draw at this entertainment center.
CITY:Sugar Grove
The Bliss House Museum is operated by the Sugar Grove Historical Society and houses historical exhibits about the village of Sugar Grove and surrounding area. Anyone interested in researching their heritage, may contact the museum for access to probate and civil records dating 1839 - 1955. Hours: Open every Tuesday 1-4 pm or by appointment.
CITY:Sugar Grove
Family entertainment center featuring Illinois' largest indoor roller coaster, go-karts, bumper cars, Tilt-A-Whirl, bowling, and hundreds of video and redemption games.
CITY:Villa Park
FitnessNOW - State of the art cardiovascular equipment; Cybex cardio equipment with built in TVs; three lane indoor track; strength training; personal trainers; affordable fees; fun, knowledgeable and motivated staff; and convenient location. Enjoy nine community parks and a variety of sports and activities.
Honey Hill Orchard is a family-owned and operated orchard that was started as a hobby by Hawken Askelson in 1965. Today, the original orchard location has 2,100 apple trees, with an additional 500 trees at a second farm location. What started out as a simple farm stand has grown to include pick your own apples, raspberries and pumpkins, honey from Honey Hill's own bee hives, a bakery, the Apple Barn Country Store and some old-fashioned family activities. In addition to providing customers with quality products, Honey Hill Orchard gives families a chance to spend a relaxing time on the farm and create some great family memories and traditions.
Kauffman Turkey Farms is one of the last remaining independent family owned and operated turkey farms with its own dressing plant in the country. Providing fresh dressed turkeys to the Northern Illinois area for over 80 years. These big, beautiful tom turkeys are some of the thousands that are range grown here on the Kauffman Turkey Farm. The turkeys are grown from one day of age until they are dressed in the farm's federally inspected plant. They raise their birds with the emphasis on quality. This means that the turkeys grow more slowly and develop a richer flavor and denser texture.
Playing this unique, well-conditioned and spectacularly-designed 18-hole course will surely make you want to come back. Full service premier meeting and banquet facility provides outstanding culinary offerings and personal service.
CITY:West Chicago
Coyote Crossing Mini Golf Course
Professionally designed 18-hole golf course. Putt around a waterfall, through a cave, over a river and under rocks. Coyote Crossing is a great place for birthdays, rentals, picnics, company and other group outings.
CITY:West Chicago
St. Andrews Golf and Country Club
Since 1926, Chicago area golfers have sought out St. Andrews for its two championship courses, the top-ranked practice center, and award winning banquet and clubhouse services. With its vast rolling terrain, mature trees, and historic setting, St. Andrews offers quality facilities not only for discerning golfers but for golf outings, weddings, and banquet events of any size.
CITY:West Chicago
Veterans Memorial Park in Westmont
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - Located on 25 acres, with woods, lakes and rolling hills, the course offers 9 holes of challenging golf for beginners and advanced golfers. Reduced rates available for golfers 55 and over. Clubhouse seats 60+ and has a variety of foods.
Providing numerous recreational and educational opportunities for seniors, adults, youth, and preschoolers at our 18 parks, golf course, health club, and new TY Warner Park.
This 500-acre park offers vast formal gardens, picnic grounds, a top-ranked public golf course and two museums: Robert R. McCormick Museum and First Division Museum. Enjoy a wide variety of programs and events throughout the year, such as festivals, lectures, concerts and workshops.
Danada Equestrian Center welcomes visitors of all ages to learn about riding and horsemanship through hayrides, group barn tours, riding lessons, summer camps for kids and its annual Fall Festival.
A "living history" farm depicting life in the 1890s DuPage County. Original structures, authentic recreations and livestock combine to make a realistic 1890s working farm.


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Travelodge North Bay Lakeshore
Travelodge North Bay Lakeshore
Hotel Guest Rating: 7.8/10
718 Lakeshore Drive
North Bay, ON P1A 2G4
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Welcome to the Travelodge North Bay Lakeshore
With economical rates, a complimentary continental breakfast and free Wi-Fi all within walking distance of scenic Lake Nipissing's sandy beaches, Travelodge North Bay Lakeshore is a local favorite of Priceline guests.
Hotel Features
The two-story Travelodge features 76 rooms with free Wi-Fi and cable TV; non-smoking rooms are available. Before hitting the beach or nearby winter-fun destinations, guests can chow down on the free continental breakfast or get in a workout in the fitness room. Catch up on work chores in the hotel's business center and keep looking sharp with laundry and dry-cleaning services. Pets are allowed and parking is free.
Hotel Location
A short stroll from Lake Nippissing, the Travelodge is three miles from downtown North Bay and within four miles of Highway 11. Take the kids for a day at the beach or a ride on the Heritage Railway Company's Mini-Train along the city's waterfront. Lake cruises can be booked on the Chief Commanda II operating out of downtown. Hit the slopes at the Laurentian Ski Hill, seven miles away. North Bay/Jack Garland Airport is eight miles away and Toronto Pearson International Airport is 200 miles.
Guest Favorites
"Wonderful breakfast bar," say Priceline guests, who praise the convenient location and "courteous and helpful" staff at Travelodge North Bay Lakeshore.
Travelodge North Bay Lakeshore Amenities
- Accessible facilities
- Accessible parking
- Adjoining rooms
- Air conditioning
- Alarm clock
- Barbeque grills
- Bus parking
- Complimentary continental breakfast
- Cribs
- Desk with lamp
- Exercise gym
- Free newspaper
- High speed internet access
- High speed internet access for laptop in public areas
- High speed internet connection
- Hot breakfast
- Ice machine
- Internet services
- Ironing board
- Meeting rooms
- Microwave
- Motorcycle parking
- Non-smoking rooms (generic)
- Outdoor parking
- Parking
- Pets allowed
- Recreational vehicle parking
- Refrigerator
- Security
- Truck parking
- Vending machines
- Wheel chair access
- Wireless internet connection in public areas
Hotel Information
Upon check-in photo identification and credit card is required. All special requests are subject to availability upon check-in. Special requests cannot be guaranteed and may incur additional charges.
Hotel Guest Reviews of the Travelodge North Bay LakeshoreOur hotel ratings and reviews are from real hotel guests. Priceline.com ensures that its reviews are guests-only by proactively sending hotel surveys to customers after they've completed their hotel stays. In the post-stay surveys, priceline.com hotel customers are asked a number of questions about their stay and the hotel. On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the best, the survey asks guests to rate their overall experience and specifically rate the hotel's cleanliness, staff and location. Priceline.com does not allow site visitors to post unsolicited hotel reviews.
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Verified Hotel Guest from Ottawa, Canada
September 21, 2016
Senior Travelers
September 21, 2016
Senior Travelers
It's only redeeming feature was its location - close to the park on the lake and close to some decent restaurants.
Dingy room, not enough towels, (one had a dirty mark on it), had to ask for more. So-so breakfast, no butter!!
Verified Hotel Guest from Thornhill, Canada
September 17, 2016
September 17, 2016
Great breakfast, nice staff, clean room not to far from everything.
Catherine from Toronto, Canada
July 5, 2016
July 5, 2016
This guest did not leave comments about this hotel.
Verified Hotel Guest from Madison, WI
July 4, 2016
July 4, 2016
This guest did not leave comments about this hotel.
Verified Hotel Guest from Elkins, WV
June 18, 2016
Group Traveler
June 18, 2016
Group Traveler
Clean, quiet, comfortable. Good breakfast.
A little outdated, but fine.
Verified Hotel Guest from Burnstown, Canada
June 8, 2016
Solo Traveler
June 8, 2016
Solo Traveler
was good overall clean and tidy and outside appearance as well
needs more outlets accessible, the lamps should have outlets and USB on the base like other places.
Verified Hotel Guest from Burnstown, Canada
May 3, 2016
Business Traveler
May 3, 2016
Business Traveler
easy to get too, breakfast is good.
the room was different than other rooms I have stayed in at same hotel. NO outlets to plug in cell phone or laptop, had to move bed and tv stand to get access, install either table top power bars or laps that have extra plugs on base
Verified Hotel Guest from Burnstown, Canada
March 24, 2016
Business Traveler
March 24, 2016
Business Traveler
This guest did not leave comments about this hotel.
Verified Hotel Guest from Timmins, Canada
March 6, 2016
March 6, 2016
staff - friendly helpful, location - central
Dated bathroom -fixtures leak, wall paper, shower curtain hardware loose etc. heating hard to control, controls worn, boarder line clean - vacuuming, paper bits under table
Mitch from Dundas, Canada
February 24, 2016
February 24, 2016
Friendly staff, room quality and cleanliness
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1:15 all. Paul is probably writing with intentional exaggeration to make sure his readers see the extent of the disloyalty.
Asia. A Roman province across the Aegean Sea from Greece and today part of western Turkey. Ephesus, where Timothy was serving as Paul's representative, was the leading city of this province.
Phygelus and Hermogenes. Not mentioned elsewhere in the New Testament. Probably Paul mentions them because he had counted on their support.
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The long term goal of this research project is to understand the molecular mechanism of force production through 3-D visualization of myosin molecular motors in situ in muscle. The research focuses on the structure of the large waterbug Lethocerus sp. because its filament lattice is the best ordered of all known muscles types thereby making it an excellent candidate for 3-D imaging as well as facilitating the trapping of many myosin motors into similar states. Lethocerus, like many insects, utilize a stretch activation mechanism to operate their flight muscles. Stretch activation also occurs in vertebrate striated and cardiac muscle, where in the case of cardiac muscle, it is an important part of the rhythmic contractions. Specimen preparation emphasizes rapid freezing and freeze substitution which traps molecular motions with millisecond time resolution. The structure of isolated Lethocerus thick filament in the relaxed state will be investigated using electron cryomicroscopy. Myosin motors during isometric contraction itself and following mechanical perturbations such as quick stretch and release will be trapped by fast freezing and imaged in 3-D with the specific aim of obtaining a higher resolution structure. Rigor fibers swollen in low ionic strength buffers enhance the visibility of the 1-helical coiled-coil domain that links the myosin head to the thick filament backbone.
The specific aim of this study will be to derive structural rules that define the position on the thick filament from which force producing myosin heads must originate and thereby test a new model for the weak-to-strong binding transi- tion in myosin. Specimens with enhanced numbers of weak binding myosin heads will be trapped by rapid freezing to further improve their characterization. Particular emphasis will be place on myosin heads binding to troponin, which may be important players in the stretch activation mechanism of muscle contraction. Improvements to increase structure homogeneity are pro- posed so that higher resolution images of active molecular motors can be obtained to better de- fine structural intermediates in the weak-to-strong transition and in force production itself. We will utilize electron tomography to obtain 3-D images of individual muscle motors and use multivariate data analysis to identify groups having similar structure for subsequent averaging to improve the signal-to-noise ratio and resolution. Continued refinements of our unique tomographic methods are proposed in order to increase resolution, improve the reconstructions and the rate at which 3-D maps can be produced. Atomic models based on the crystal structures of actin and myosin will be quantitatively fit within the envelope of the reconstruction and used to make pre- dictions of domain orientations, actin binding affinity and progress through the working stroke.
One of the characteristics of cardiac muscle is its response to a stretch, which generally causes a delayed increase in tension. The molecular basis of stretch activation is unknown. Stretch activation is critical to flight by certain genera of insects making them an excellent model system with which to investigate this phenomenon.
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Geography Faculty Development Alliance
The Geography Faculty Development Alliance (GFDA) is a long-term, broad-based project to provide early career faculty and advanced doctoral students with the theoretical and practical knowledge needed to excel I the lecture hall, seminar room, and laboratory.
Key objectives of the project are to foster a culture of support and success for early career faculty, to help them understand the fundamental interconnections between their teaching and research, and to advance the scholarship of teaching and learning across the entire discipline (GFDA was founded by Professor Ken Foote of the University of Connecticut).
Early Career GFDA Workshop
The early career workshop will be held at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville in June 19-25, 2016. It is open to graduate students and faculty who are just beginning their careers in higher education. The one-week program focuses on topics that are frequently the source of the greatest stress in the first years of a college or university appointment. (The 2016 GFDA Early Career Workshop is co-led by Professor Derek Alderman of the University of Tennessee).