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Monday 20 June, 2011
The Gen-Y Q&A
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Discuss the Questions
Here are the questions our panel faced this week. Tell us what your answer would be or what you think our panellists need to say.
MICHELLE LA O asked: What do you guys think is the culprit for the wider Gen-Y's lack of interest in politics? Is it a product of today's culture wherein the public doesn't have the attention span to properly sit down and think about the issues, or do you think this lack of interest comes from a growing detachment between the government and our generation?
What do you think?
BRENDAN MCLEAN asked: Like most Gen Ys I grew up under a conservative Howard government. Now that Ive voted Labor, Im stuck with a PM who attests to her traditionalist values so now I vote Green.
Which party do you think best represents Gen Y?
What do you think?
ANDREW FALCONER asked: Get Up has successfully managed to rally enough political donations for a couple fighting for marriage equality to have a private dinner with the Prime Minister. Do you think that they will be able to persuade Julia Gillard to change her public opinion on gay marriage, or are the right wing factions of Labor too afraid of the Abbott vote to allow our Prime Minister the chance to lead her party?
What do you think?
ANDREW KLEINERT asked: Does Kevin Rudd's popularity necessarily mean that we think he'd make a better Prime Minister?
What do you think?
MICHAELA WILLIAMS asked: Viral stars, memes and reality tv make it seem like anyone can get a huge payslip, with minimal effort, like the Kardashians. Now everyone is a special, yet talentless snowflake, just waiting to be 'discovered'. Are reality Gen Y mega-earners encouraging fame wannabes to ditch regular and productive work to chase their 15 minutes to be the next Rebecca Black?
What do you think?
TREVOR ROBEY asked: Social media privacy? No such thing. Twitter, facebook etc were intended as seemingly harmless ways of connecting friends and acquaintances. Have they been hijacked by narcissistic individuals and the herd mentality to perpetuate the self- gratifying exposure of what were once considered private thoughts and behaviours?
What do you think?
Stanley asked via Web: What do you think of social media? Is it a step forward in connecting to each other or is it opening up more opportunities to be vulnerable and abused by others?
What do you think?
JOSH HOLLOWAY from SA asked via video: There is a noticeable generational divide within the climate change debate, most evident in the recent 'baby boomer movement' against pricing carbon dioxide. What now, exactly, does our generation and those following have to look up to?
What do you think?
NICK BACKO asked: Why is it that Gen Y are so passionate about refugee issues in Australia and do you think that this is a lasting change in generational attitude or is it as some would describe youthful naivety?
What do you think?
LANCE ROGER asked: As baby boomers, my wife and I are now retired and enjoying the fruits of our labour, often through regular travel in Australia and overseas. Our sons refer to these travels, jokingly we hope, as SKI (Spending Kids Inheritance) trips.
We prefer SKIN (or Spending Kids Inheritance Now), and tell them to work hard, save carefully, and love their parents. Who holds the moral high ground here?
What do you think?
Q&A is live from 9.35 Eastern Time and simulcast on ABC News 24, News Radio and Australia Network and you can go to our website to send your questions in and you can join the Twitter conversation using the hash tag that's just appearing on your screen.
Well, all of our panellists tonight are in their 20s, members of Generation Y, the generation that many commentators dismiss as being disinterested in politics. But, in fact, our panel represents a wide range of political and social views and connections. Our first question tonight comes from Michelle Lau.
MICHELLE LAU: Why do you guys think - what do you guys think is the culprit for the wider Gen-Y's lack of interest in politics? Is it a product of today's culture, wherein the public doesn't have the attention span to properly sit down and think about the issues or do you think this lack of interest comes from a growing detachment between the government and our generation?
TONY JONES: Josh Thomas, what do you think?
JOSH THOMAS: I don't agree. I don't agree that we are disinterested. I think that's something that old people say because they don't like us because we're going to live longer than them but, no, I mean, I think that we have some challenges to being interested. One of them is the government is completely uninteresting and uninspiring and to care about what they say is hard because they don't seem to. Do you know what I - that's what I think and - but I think we're interested. On Twitter, you know, they go on these explosions all the time where they just talk about the same issue over and over and over again. People get obsessed with it and it drives me nuts. People in my generation are too interested and it bores me but...
TONY JONES: Do you have a short attention span or are you engaged personally in big issues?
JOSH THOMAS: I get engaged in big issues for a couple of days, then nothing happens and then I move on. Tends to be what happens, don't you think?
TONY JONES: Probably. Let's move on ourselves. Let's hear from James. What do you think?
JAMES PATERSON: Yeah, Tony, I'm not sure that the assumption that's implicit in the question is necessarily right that it's a bad thing if young people aren't all that engaged in politics. Now, obviously I say that as someone who is engaged in politics but generally speaking people get involved in politics around the world when they have to. We've seen in the middle east that people come out and protest on the street because they have despotic regimes because their rights aren't respected, because there are no jobs but in Australia we've got it pretty good so young people don't have to get out and protest. They don't have to get out and fight for their rights, so actually I think that says something positive about our society that it's not necessary for us to get out there and protest every day.
TONY JONES: Fuzzy?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: I'd have to agree with you. I think that we do live in a very fortunate country. I mean, you know, we have our freedoms and, you know, we live well. So there's not necessarily something for us to fight for. There isn't anything that's really pertinent in society that we would hit the streets for but I think that we still are very, very passionate about particular issues, such as gay marriage and equality for all. So I don't think that we can be completely dismissive. I think that we're definitely engaged in politics. I vote. I'm sure a lot of us do vote here in this room.
TONY JONES: You don't really have any choice. It's compulsory.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: It is compulsory but then, you know, people can...
TONY JONES: Would you vote if it wasn't compulsory?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: I definitely would vote if it wasn't compulsory but people can still go to the voting booth and submit an illegitimate vote or, you know, a dismissive vote so, you know, we can still be engaged in politics.
TONY JONES: Let's hear from Ruslan.
RUSLAN KOGAN: Yeah, well, I disagree as well. I'd say Gen-Y is more involved than any generation has been involved but we're not interested in the politicians. We're interested in the actual issues and we're discussing them online all the time. You look at any news article and the comments on there, on Twitter, on Facebook and our generation doesn't discuss things by rallying in the street. It's far more effective to set up a Facebook group, you know. We won't spend two months trying to get in touch with our local MP and hope he responds to our letter. We'll spend 15 minutes setting up a Facebook group or setting up a blog and actually discussing the issues and Facebook group with one million likes is a lot more effective than 400 people running around in the street turning cars over. So I think that we are more - you know, we are more involved than any generation has been but we do it in a different way and we do it online and we do it through all the social networks.
TONY JONES: Well, I've got to tell you that I was involved in a generation that went out in the streets, turned cars over during the Vietnam War so maybe there were other generations that were involved heavily in politics and street demonstrations. But you think it's not...
RUSLAN KOGAN: Yeah, but a lot more Facebook likes than that, you know. It's a lot easier to express something. You don't have to - you know, there's this whole concept of contact your local MP. That's such a big barrier to entry, sending it to him and then hoping that he responds. These days set up a Facebook Group. Set up a blog. It takes ten minutes. You know express your views. Let people discuss it. It's never been easier to get issues out there and get people commenting on them.
TONY JONES: Okay.
JOSH THOMAS: I think there's people on the streets. The gay marriage movement is huge. They meet like every month. They have huge rallies that I go to and the Say Yes to Carbon Tax thing, that was pretty big, and there's the Say No To Carbon Tax thing, which existed.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Yeah, Refugee Day.
JOSH THOMAS: Yeah.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: World Refugee Day. World Refugee Day happened yesterday. There was a rally yesterday on the streets of Sydney.
JOSH THOMAS: Yeah, so I think it happens. We're just not violent like you guys are. Why are you trying to encourage us to destroy cars?
TONY JONES: Oh, no. No. I'm not encouraging you to do anything. Don't get me wrong.
SAMAH HADID: And I think it's important...
TONY JONES: Samah. Let's hear from Samah.
SAMAH HADID: It's important to highlight here that, just because the form of engagement or the form of political participation is different doesn't make it less legitimate. There are various forms of activism now, online and offline and I think both are effective. So I would agree with the panel here and very much say that young people are not apolitical. We're just not interested in the pathetic party politics on offer. It's simple really and we're more likely to throw our support behind issue-based groups; groups that can actually offer direct democracy. Groups like GetUp, like Our Say. I mean the very fact that you have a youth-driven group like the Australian Youth Climate Coalition, with over 65,000 young members, speaks for itself and it represents a movement that is far more likely to respond to the needs and the emerging needs of young people. Party politics doesn't.
TONY JONES: I'm just going to interrupt there because you were smiling at that Ruslan.
RUSLAN KOGAN: Oh, with the 65,000 people involved in the - in the movement for global warming. No, I think - I think to me I just smiled because it's an issue of science and to me it's - science isn't about how many people are involved in a certain issue or what 65,000 people think. To me science is about what one person knows and can prove so that's why I had a bit of a smile at that.
TONY JONES: We'll come back to that issue. You're watching Q&A. I see people with their hands up but we'll go to a video question first. Remember you can send your web or video questions to our website. Our next question is a video. It comes from Brendan McLean in Petersham, New South Wales.
BRENDAN MCLEAN: Like most Gen-Ys, I grew up under a conservative Howard Government. Now, that I've voted Labor, I'm stuck with a PM who attends to her traditionalist values so now I vote Green. To all the panel, which party do you think best represents Gen-Y?
TONY JONES: Well, let's go to someone who actually works in politics first: James?
JAMES PATERSON: Well, obviously I've got past political allegiances with the Liberal Party so I'm going to say the Liberal Party is the best party for Gen-Y but there actually is a very good reason for that, in my view, and that is unlike the Labor Party, the Liberal Party doesn't adopt a nanny state solution to every perceived social problem. You will never see Liberals out there proposing an internet filter. You will never see Liberals out there proposing hikes on alcopops. You'll never see Liberals out there proposing that we should, for example, ban people from entering nightclubs after 2 am, as the Victorian Labor Government did just a few years ago with their lock out policy. So given that Liberals have more faith in people to make decisions for themselves, I think you'll see that their policies are much better aligned with young people.
TONY JONES: Fuzzy?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: I'd have to disagree with you. I think we've just become a generation which - we are swinging votes. We'll actually not have a party allegiance at all and decide on the issues for that moment, of that time, for that election. I honestly - well, I'm a swinging voter and I think that many of us are swinging voters because the issues change all the time. I don't think that we have a very strong allegiance to one particular party anymore.
TONY JONES: What do you think of the two mainstream political leaders right now, Gillard and Abbott?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: What do I think of them?
TONY JONES: Mm.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: I think - well, I think Gillard is in a very difficult position. She's the woman that's inherited the poisoned chalice so to speak because, you know, nothing that she can do will satisfy anybody at the moment because she's being slammed in the media and anything that she does within her own party she'll be opposed to in some way. Somebody will be upset by anything that she does. Abbott, I think, is very popular amongst the Liberals. I think that he represents the Howard generation, the Howard battlers and, you know, he is capitalising on Gillard's demise. I think that he's got a very strong position in politics at the moment.
TONY JONES: Let's hear from Ruslan. The question was: which party do you think best represents Gen-Y?
RUSLAN KOGAN: To me it's a bit of a question of would you rather get stabbed or shot.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Whoa. Wow.
RUSLAN KOGAN: Tony Abbott did a media shoot in his budgie smugglers. I'd say that's got the highest chance of going viral on YouTube so I don't know. I'd probably - yeah. I don't know. What Gillard has done at the moment is she lied to the public and Australians don't...
TONY JONES: About the carbon tax, you mean.
RUSLAN KOGAN: About the carbon tax and Australians - you know, we're forgiving people and we can accept a lot of things but we can't accept a liar. Now, if a politician lied 20 years ago then there'd be ways of covering it up and there'd be all different media spin that you could do to it.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: No. No.
RUSLAN KOGAN: But these days there's YouTube videos for it, there's evidence of it, there's - I don't know. That's something I can't forgive but in terms of which party is more Gen-Y, yeah, I'd probably - I'd agree that the Liberal is. They're the ones that are enforcing less of a nanny state. They're the ones that, you know - the Gen-Y we Google everything. We find answers. We don't need a nanny state. We don't need someone out there making all these sorts of decisions for us and what we can and we can't do and making laws for absolutely everything. It's demeaning to our generation. We're smart enough to make our own choices so I definitely agree that, you know, the Liberal Party would be more Gen-Y.
TONY JONES: Josh, what do you think?
JOSH THOMAS: Well, I mean, it's - I voted for the Greens in the last election because they were the only party that I believed, the only party that I felt were talking about something that they actually agreed with. Sorry about my hair. But I think - no, I think the Greens are the right party for young people because they're kind of idealistic and they've lovely and they like big hugs and trees and when you're young you should be filled with hope for the future. We should leave it to old people to worry about all the other stuff, which I think is probably more damning to the Greens than a compliment. But I - can I ask you a question, because I'm not very good at - I don't know lots of things about stuff. I'm not confident on things. Ted Bailey, is he Liberal?
TONY JONES: Yes, he is. Yes.
JOSH THOMAS: Because that just surprised me from what you said before about the nanny states because I live in Melbourne and I'm going to get find if I swear, which to me is like nanny state hardcore multiplied by ten and also it makes it very difficult to do my job.
JAMES PATERSON: No political party covers itself in glory in these areas and that policy is a disgrace. I completely agree with you. But as a general rule I do think it's true that the Labor side of politics is much more keen to impose government solutions on other people and the Liberal side of politics is much more keen to allow people to make decisions for themselves.
TONY JONES: Let's hear from Samah.
SAMAH HADID: Look, I don't think the Liberal Party is better off here. You know, they're not initiating the changes that young people are passionate about and the necessary economic social and environmental reforms that young people want to see happen so, you know, I don't actually agree that the Liberal Party is far more appealing to young people but I don't - I wouldn't say that the Labor Party is appealing either. Unfortunately I think it's stagnant. Both major parties are stagnant when it comes to responding to the needs of young people to delivering the necessary reforms that we envisage for our future, that we need for our future, because inevitably we will inherit this future. So I think they both fail.
TONY JONES: Quite a few people with their hands up here. We'll just - you can make as short comment or a question.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: I have just a very brief comment. People are always pessimistic about both major parties being populist or playing off policies that are perhaps not entirely true, however is not the pessimism of the Greens when approaching climate change, Malthusian catastrophe just as bad as both major parties. Not as much of the happy hugs and smiles that Josh mentioned but perhaps more of a, oh, no, the world is overpopulated and we're going to die rather than a let's find a scientific solution for this and perhaps this is related to a distaste for nuclear power or fusion power research and the like.
TONY JONES: Okay, we'll take that as a comment. We've got another one down the front here.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: It's on the same line as the last guy. With the Greens, a lot of their policies are about increasing like cost of living and stuff and Gen-Y, to me, always seem very poor because we're young and we don't have very good jobs yet. So I was just surprised you mentioned that the Greens are a good party for Gen-Y, Josh. It didn't seem to fit to me.
JOSH THOMAS: I have a job on television.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
TONY JONES: Okay.
JOSH THOMAS: Should I give an actual answer to that?
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Is that the answer?
TONY JONES: I think you just did, actually.
JOSH THOMAS: I think young people are going to be around for a while and we want to see the world protected and I think we're a lot more conscious of things like that. I think that's important and I think we'd be happy to pay a little bit extra to make the world a bit nicer.
SAMAH HADID: And we also want to see investment in renewable energies and more jobs for us in the future and that's what the Greens represent.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: But should they get paid for by the government or by us through the (indistinct) through a carbon tax (indistinct)?
SAMAH HADID: I think there are a variety of solutions but you were - I think it was mentioned that we need a pragmatic approach, one based on science, one based on economic modelling. I mean the Productivity Commission's report recently just confirmed the fact that a carbon tax and a carbon price is the most effective. It's cost effective. It's not expensive. It's the cheap and most, I think, effective form in tackling climate change.
TONY JONES: Okay.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yeah, but some of the...
TONY JONES: All right. All right. Sorry, we'll going to come back to that issue. We've got another question in the audience. It comes from Andrew Falconer.
ANDREW FALCONER: Thanks, Tony. GetUp have managed to successfully rally enough political donations to fund a same-sex couple fighting for marriage equality the chance to have a private dinner with Julia Gillard. Do you think that the couple will be able to convince the Prime Minister to change her public opinion on marriage equality or are the right wing Labor factions too afraid of the Abbott vote to give the Prime Minister the chance to lead her party on social change?
TONY JONES: Let's start with Fuzzy.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: I think that any bit counts towards the progression of us having gay marriage legalised here in Australia. I personally believe that marriage should be between love and love, not just between man and a woman, and in order for marriage as an institution to progress in society, like it has over time, people used to deny people of different races to be married. I think this particular issue is absolutely absurd. Gays should have the right to be married. In terms of Julia Gillard, as I said earlier, I think that she really is stuck in her position right now. She's stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't think that she has any chance to progress in any form of policy whatsoever but if she was given that opportunity I hope that she would.
TONY JONES: James?
JAMES PATERSON: Yeah, look, I think when we talk about the issue of gay marriage, it's important that we do so bearing in mind the reality that Australia will have gay marriage of some form in the very near future, I believe. It's inevitable. The polling trends on this issue are very clear. An overwhelming majority of Australians support gay marriage and every generation supports gay marriage more than the previous one. So really I think it's a question of how are we going to have it rather than if we're going to have it. My personal view is that the best thing would be for the government to get out of the business of recognising people's relationships. Marriage is a personal thing between two people and I don't see any role for the government getting in between two people who love each other from getting married, whether they're male or female, whatever their personal characteristics are and for those religions that want to recognise gay marriage, they should be free to do so. The government shouldn't prevent them from doing so. And for those religions that don't want to, they should also be free not to.
TONY JONES: Josh?
JOSH THOMAS: Obviously, you know, I think this is really important and I think the reason why Julia Gillard at the moment isn't just allowing us to have gay marriage is because she doesn't think it's really a priority. I'm not sure because she's never given us an answer. A lot of people say it's because she's bowing down to Christian lobbyists but I'm not that cynical. I think she just doesn't think it's a priority. So I think this is an important opportunity for somebody to really personally the issue and make her understand all the kinds of sensitive parts of the issue people don't understand, which is, you know, kind of how a big a problem homophobia is for young people in our country. Do you know what I mean? I was talking to my boyfriend. My boyfriend will be at this dinner with me and if I was with her I would get him to tell the story that broke my heart about when he was 12 and he was getting like bullied on school camp at the beach and he just ran into the ocean and tried to drown himself or I would tell her about - you know, I used to do stand up about being bullied in school, getting called "dancing fag" or "fairy boy" and I didn't mention at stand up, you know, the time that three guys came up to me at a party and just kicked me up in the head while yelling, "Faggot. You know where you stand." Do you know what I mean? I don't know why I keep saying, "Do you know what I mean?" I think you understand what I mean. But, this is...
TONY JONES: And, Josh, if she said to you, "The community is not ready for it," what would you say?
JOSH THOMAS: Well, I would say to her they are. I mean the polling shows they are. This is actually not a controversial issue. Sixty-three per cent of people want to see this. Seventy-four per cent of Labor voters want to see this. At the moment in this country you have - if you're gay, you're at a much higher risk of you will experience - you're much more likely to experience self-harm, depression, homelessness, eating disorders, drug abuse. You're five to 14 times more likely to attempt suicide and the biggest contributing factor to that is homophobia and the Marriage Act, as it stands, it empowers homophobia and it needs to change, I think.
TONY JONES: Samah?
SAMAH HADID: It really does bewilder me that, you know, for a political system and a political class that is so obsessed with opinion polls that they're not actually heeding what opinion polls are telling us and that is very clearly that Australians support gay marriage but unfortunately they're not responding to that. They're not responding to what we want on this issue. So, I mean, I don't think that one dinner party will change that, unfortunately, and I really don't know what's needed in this particular instance. I would hope that our political leaders would just get on with it and enact what we all want and that is for gay marriage to exist.
JOSH THOMAS: What frustrates me so much about it is it's so easy to change. It's not controversial anymore and it's just six words: "Between a man and a woman." You get rid of them. It costs us nothing. Our study has shown it's good for the economy. I do not understand how that works but I will run with it.
TONY JONES: Well, let me - I think there's a tweet that may answer some of that. There's a tweet from kylieminge: "Why do the major political parties deny gay men the basic human right of a bridal registry at DJs?"
JOSH THOMAS: Yes. I just want gifts. I just want a day where I can get all my friends and family. I can say, "I really love this guy. Now buy me some presents. I'm sick of buying you some," you know. I 'm sick of it. It's always give, give, give when you're gay. I just want a toaster.
TONY JONES: Let's hear from our internet electronics entrepreneur. You could do quite well out of this, couldn't you?
RUSLAN KOGAN: Yeah, get a registry at kogan.com.au.
TONY JONES: No, I didn't quite mean for you to give an advertisement. Anyway.
JOSH THOMAS: It's the ABC.
TONY JONES: Let's pretend it didn't happen.
RUSLAN KOGAN: Let's. I agree with exactly what James said and what the rest of the panel said. You know, all pro-freedom and pro-choice and I think that, you know, if there's something that makes two people happy and doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights why not? Like there's, you know, our aim should be happiness for everyone so it's freedom. It's not infringing on anyone's rights. Do it. Make a change.
TONY JONES: Okay. Let's move on. Our next question comes from Andrew Klienert.
ANDREW KLEINERT: Thanks, Tony. Does Kevin Rudd's popularity necessarily mean that we think he'd make a better Prime Minister?
TONY JONES: James Paterson. Kevin Rudd has been in the news a lot lately for various reasons.
JAMES PATERSON: Yes. Yes. Well, I guess it depends who the choice is between: Kevin Rudd and who? Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard? I tend to think their records have been pretty similar. They have done pretty similar things and there hasn't been too much difference. I think Australians are pretty disappointed with both of them. So, no, if the choice is between Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd, I would say no. If the choice is between Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott, I would say certainly Tony.
TONY JONES: Fuzzy.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Of course you would say certainly Tony. I just want to say how hard it would be to be a political leader full stop in this country because, I mean, we celebrate the fact that when they get elected for a day and then a month later we're throwing rocks at them and I think that there is a lot of government bashing in general and what we should be focusing on is the positive changes that government have made - governments have made over the time that we've been here on this earth.
TONY JONES: Did it bother you, almost a year ago, the knifing of Kevin Rudd?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Did it bother me?
TONY JONES: Mm.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: It's something that's happened in the past with the Labor Party before so I don't think it really - well, it did surprise me. It definitely did. It surprised me but now we can't really change what's happened and that's all, you know, inner politics. We can't control that unfortunately. It was a shame to see Kevin Rudd go.
TONY JONES: Josh?
JOSH THOMAS: I'm so sick of hearing about Kevin Rudd. It was a year ago. He's gone. It's over. Please can we just move on? I don't want to hear another thing about Kevin Rudd or the St Kilda school girl. I'm sick of these. I'm sick of both of these things. He's not the leader. He's not Prime Minister. We have a new Prime Minister. Just stop it.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Can I just add a point as well is that I think it takes longer than 12 months for a political leader to actually create any significant change in this country. I don't think we're giving Julia Gillard enough time in order to make an impact at all.
TONY JONES: Let's hear from Ruslan.
RUSLAN KOGAN: I thought Josh said "Let's move on." No, well, yeah, I think that politicians - it's similar to being a business man or business woman. It's all about reputation. It's all about do people believe you? You have to be honest. The moment you lose the trust of the people you're finished and I think that that's exactly what's happened to Julia Gillard here. She's - she lied. She lost the trust of the public and, you know, Kevin Rudd's at the right place at the right time so that's why you're seeing his popularity rise.
TONY JONES: Samah?
SAMAH HADID: Well, I think, you know, the ousting of Kevin Rudd certainly contributed to Julia Gillard's lack of popularity. You know, the Australian public didn't appreciate the way Kevin Rudd was ousted and we're seeing that reflected in opinion polls. But I would hope that we can move beyond these leadership debates. I mean we don't appreciate, as Australians, the ALPs revolving leadership door approach. We want to see reforms. We want to see delivery on issues that we care about like climate change, like a human asylum seeker and refugee police. We're not actually seeing that for the latter any but, yes, we should give Julia Gillard some time and it's early days yet. I would hope that the government can deliver on these major reforms.
TONY JONES: Right, there's a lady in the front row has had her hand up for a while. Hopefully it will be a comment because we haven't got too much time.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: It's actually a bit of both. Seeing Gen-Y are better educated and more interested in politics, world events and that than the current government, do you think more Gen-Y's should stand for parliament and do you think if there was a change from the current parliament to a Gen-Y parliament that they could run the country much better than the current parliament?
TONY JONES: Okay, well, I just take that to Josh, because some people have been tweeting that they would vote for you.
JOSH THOMAS: No. No. That's a mistake. No, mean, I think the reason why we don't have Gen-Y people in parliament is because they are too young. You need a fair bit of life experience to become - you know, to be in parliament, I think. I mean we have Wyatt Roy who, you know, when he got voted in I turned on the thing. I was like, oh, my God. I've been voted in. It's happened. But I don't think he's really doing anything. You know he's not on this show. I'm sure he would have been invited to be on this show but the Liberal Government wouldn't have let him talk in public on like TV, I don't think, because he's too young and too likely to make mistakes. I don't know why they thought that was okay for me.
TONY JONES: No, I'm going to interrupt there. I'm sure they would have let him on but they have this problem with a minority government. You need a pairing arrangement for someone to come on and...
JOSH THOMAS: Really?
TONY JONES: Yeah, so we couldn't do it for that reason?
JOSH THOMAS: Why can't we have Wyatt Roy on? I want to hear the boy speak.
TONY JONES: You'll have to ask the Liberal Party. I'm sure he'll be on one day. You're watching Q&A, where this week Gen-Y answers the questions. The next question comes from Michaela Williams.
MICHAELA WILLIAMS: Hi. Viral stars, memes and reality TV shows make it seem like anyone can get a huge payslip with absolutely minimal effort, like the Kardashians or the Jersey Shore guys. Now that everyone is a special, talentless snowflake just waiting to be discovered, do you think that these reality Gen-Y mega-earners are encouraging these fame wannabes to just ditch regular, productive actual jobs to chase their 15 minutes to be the next Rebecca Black?
TONY JONES: Great question. Let's go to Fuzzy.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: I think that's a bit of a cop out to generation Y. I mean, yes, there is a percentage of people that seek fame through the platform of social media now; however, I feel that we, as a community, really do need to respect each other and ourselves and reduce or internet footprint, per se, and not give too much of ourselves out on the internet. I think that's too much of a cop out on - a generalisation of us just wanting to be famous through the internet for being talentless.
TONY JONES: Ruslan.
RUSLAN KOGAN: I don't think these people are talentless. I think that what we've seen happen is a reduction to the barriers to entry in a lot of industries - everything from journalism through to music through to TV production. You know, in the past if you wanted your word heard you'd have to go start working in the mailroom of a newspaper, spend 15 years, then you might get to write an article. These days if you're funny or you've got something good to say you can very easily publicise yourself and you can use the platforms that reduce the barrier to entry. They're keeping TV honest. It means unless you're making a great show like this then, you know, people aren't going to watch it. So if any...
JOSH THOMAS: That is not true.
RUSLAN KOGAN: If anything it's more competition.
JOSH THOMAS: A lot of people watch Australia's Got Talent. 1.9 million. It's one of the highest rating shows and it is horrible. I like social networking and reality TV. That's all I think about the question.
TONY JONES: Is it all good, though, this - a lot of people say that there's a good deal of narcissism that goes along with this pursuit of fame.
JOSH THOMAS: I mean I'm the wrong person to ask that. I'm appearing on this show. I've got 300,000 people that my tweets go to, which I just mention for no reason other than to brag. But, I mean, I think you would be ill-informed if you thought, in this country, going on a reality TV show was going to make you a lot of money. It won't. It will make you poor and you'll get yelled at a lot on the street. But I think - you know, I think reality TV is very good for - I think reality TV is great for - it introduces you to everyday people you wouldn't usually get to be introduced to and it does a great thing for equality, I think, where you get to - kind of get to know people that you otherwise wouldn't get to know. Like I know when I watched Big Brother when I was like 12, I'd never met an Indigenous Australian. There were none at my school because I - look, you know, there just weren't. So I got to kind of get to know them and feel like a personal connection to them and kind of understand what's going on now and I think it does a lot for - I think it does a lot for gay people on shows like that and, I mean, we had Australian - the Australian the Amazing Race. We had Mo and Mos, those two Muslim guys who I think really personalised Islamic people for a lot of Australians. I think that's - maybe I'm being a little bit too, you know, into reality TV but I think it actually does some good work.
TONY JONES: Samah?
SAMAH HADID: Not all the time. I mean a lot of reality television shows, let's face it, are crap and respond to, you know, a superficial celebrity culture. But there are those that do play towards a certain social purpose and a social cause.
JOSH THOMAS: I don't think they are purposely good. I just think that there's accidental by product where you get to know people you wouldn't otherwise get to know and feel for them.
SAMAH HADID: Okay then. Well, there's a certain reality television show on a different network, which I will not name that looks at painting refugee and asylum seekers in a more humane approach in a way that us, as ordinary Australians, can actually empathise with and I would really encourage you to click onto that show. But I think, look, it works when it does rally behind a certain social purpose and a social cause. More often than not it's not the case though.
TONY JONES: Let's quickly hear from James. Do you think this pursuit of fame is actually stopping people from doing constructive work, which I think was the other part of the question.
JAMES PATERSON: Well, look, I'll defer to the entertainers on the panel. I think they're more expert in this area as me, except to say that I agree with what Ruslan said. It's not as if this is a completely talentless exercise. People are appealing to a market out there and if none of us were interested they wouldn't get anywhere.
TONY JONES: Okay. Our next question comes from Trevor Robey.
TREVOR ROBEY: Social media privacy: I don't believe there's any such thing. Twitter, Facebook, they were intended as seemingly harmless ways of connecting friends and acquaintances but have they been hijacked by narcissistic individuals and the herd mentality to perpetuate the self- gratifying exposure of what were once considered private thoughts and behaviours? Fuzzy alluded to this earlier.
TONY JONES: Let's hear from Fuzzy first of all on this then.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Yeah, I think it's really important for us, as I said earlier, to reduce our internet footprint and not to be over-sharing online. Besides the narcissism...
TONY JONES: What are the dangers of that?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: There is dangers because once we put so much of ourselves out there we become vulnerable to bullying online, as well as stalking. In addition to that there's also identity fraud so there's some big, massive issues there that can affect our personal lives if we over-share on the internet. I think that that's the bigger issue here besides narcissism.
TONY JONES: Are these forms of social media a challenge to privacy? Do you see them as such?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: They are challenge to privacy but we've also got a responsibility ourselves not to put so much of ourselves out there. We can't always put blame on, you know, the institutions that are there or the things that are there in order for us to feed. You know, we can still be limited in terms of - in the terms of how much information we do put out there.
RUSLAN KOGAN: It all comes down to choice though. You're choosing to set up a Facebook account.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Yes.
RUSLAN KOGAN: No one forced you to set it up.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Yes.
RUSLAN KOGAN: The ultimate form of privacy is don't get a Facebook account. Don't do Google searches. Don't have a Twitter account. Don't tweet. Check your settings. Set your settings. If anything it's enabling communication and it's no different to being in the street. It's like saying if you go out onto the street and make a comment, you're susceptible to bullying as well. You choose who your friends are on Facebook. You choose who you're allowed to follow on Twitter. You choose what you say on Twitter. I don't think there's any privacy concerns whatsoever. If anything these platforms are making a more open and transparent society and, yeah, people can choose what they do - what they do on these platforms and it's - and it's improving our communication. It's helping us get our word out there and it's no different to interactions in the street. If you chose to walk down the street, yes, someone may have seen you. If you said something, yes, someone may have responded. Facebook is like being on the street but it makes it easier to connect.
TONY JONES: Okay. Before I bring in the other panellists, we've received a web question from Stanley in Western Australia. "Is social media a step forward in connecting to each other or is it opening up more opportunities to be vulnerable and abused by others?" Let's hear from Samah.
SAMAH HADID: Yeah, look, I think social media, online forums, do allow for the creation of new communities, for instance. It brings together people from isolated areas, people who you've never come across, ideas you've never come across, and I think there is a positive element towards the barrier that the interwebs does present. It means that you're more likely to reveal a certain viewpoint, be it controversial or not, a viewpoint which you wouldn't have otherwise, you know, expressed in the public sphere, in the public space. So it can facilitate further dialogue. It can facilitate freedom of speech but I do think, however, that we need to draw the line when it comes to rhetoric language. Views that are expressed on line, that can actually insight hatred, can lead to the incitement of violence. So I think discretion is needed. Self-regulation is needed. But internet protocols are also warranted in that particular case.
TONY JONES: Josh.
JOSH THOMAS: I get surprised at how much we talk about internet privacy with social networking sites because that is the point. The point is I want this to be public. That's why I get surprised that someone would put their details and their photos online and then turn around and be confused that somebody could access their details and their photos. It seems pretty obvious to me. Do I think people are using it too much? Well...
TONY JONES: Are you worried that the material, particularly on Facebook, is actually owned by Facebook?
JOSH THOMAS: Well, I think - I think that's fair enough. Facebook made the website and you've put it on Facebook and if you don't like it then go to a different social networking site. It's just that they're so powerful, I suppose. But you make an agreement to do it. You have a choice not to go on Facebook. I think Ruslan is totally correct. You can just - it's the same as being on the street. No, I think those issues are kind of - I don't really understand them honestly.
TONY JONES: In some parts of the world, we're starting to see a backlash against social media, where the coolest kids in Milan and other parts of the world are actually choosing to throw away their mobile phones, to give up their Twitter accounts, to get rid of Facebook and go back to direct contact with human beings.
JOSH THOMAS: I honestly wish - it annoys me how much I check my Twitter. I honestly wish I could just get away from it for a few weeks and if I go on holiday I don't take it with me but I think if you're choosing to use it then you take the risks with privacy and I think it offers a lot of good things.
TONY JONES: We've got a question in the middle there, if we can get a microphone to you we'll hear your question. There.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Do younger people in particular really have a choice though, with these social networking sites, because if they're used by virtually everybody of their peers, then making that choice not to be involved effectively takes them out of that environment and loses them a communications medium.
RUSLAN KOGAN: If all their peers are choosing to use it there's obviously something really good about it. You know there aren't people just - people don't all just flock to the edge of the cliff and jump off. Yeah, so there's a lot of value on being on Facebook. You get to catch up with people. You get to know what people are doing. You get to socialise with people. It makes it a lot easier to stay connected so the choice people are making is they're saying, hey, look, the benefits of being on Facebook or Twitter are by far outweighing the negativity of it.
TONY JONES: Let's go back to Fuzzy on this question and there are some people that say - teachers and others, experts in cyber-bullying, who say there should be an age limit for joining Facebook, for example.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Really?
TONY JONES: Fifteen years is the age that I've heard.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Wow.
JOSH THOMAS: How are they going to control that?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: How?
TONY JONES: I can't imagine them controlling that but that's what they're saying.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: I think the reason probably why they bring up that argument is because when we do put information out there about ourselves, we do open up ourselves to vulnerability and to attacks and the single most prevalent issue amongst school children, I guess, is bullying and cyber bullying is one of them and I think people - the nature of bullying has changed in today's society. Because of social media, people can be a lot more aggressive online because they hide behind their ivory keys, behind their computer screens and can do it quite anonymously or they can reveal their identity but they can still be quite vicious. But there's no form of direct attack or fight back from the victim and this brings up a greater issue of how to protect people from becoming victims and how to stop them from going down this path of potentially depression because they're (indistinct)...
TONY JONES: What about people who are the perpetrators? Do you think people are less constrained about what they say when they're online? They can be crueller in some instances.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Absolutely because of the animosity and the fact that they're removed from the situation. They're not speaking face to face. They're behind a computer screen or, you know, touching a touch phone, a smart phone.
TONY JONES: Let's hear from James.
JAMES PATERSON: Yeah, Tony, can I just say social media gets blamed for a lot of modern ills but it's just a tool. To borrow a phrase, you know, social media doesn't kill anyone, people kill people. It's just another medium for expressing yourself. People have always bullied other people and it's just another way of doing it. There's nothing new about it. The problem...
TONY JONES: That's what they say in the gun debate as well.
JAMES PATERSON: That is what they say. The problem, though, is bullying. The problem is not social media. The problem is that people want to bully each other. That's the issue.
RUSLAN KOGAN: And the solution is education. You know, the parenting shouldn't stop because social media exists and parents just need to know that they need to educate their kids in more areas, whereas you used to tell your kid if you were getting bullied, go tell the teacher. Now you need to tell your kid, well, click the report button on Facebook. You know, the medium is changing.
TONY JONES: Okay.
JOSH THOMAS: Cyber bullying, you can just block them. Almost any of these sites you can block them and, you know, the other thing is there's not that much - you're not that anonymous if you're talking to somebody...
TONY JONES: Anonymity.
JOSH THOMAS: Anonymity. Anonymity.
TONY JONES: Yes.
JOSH THOMAS: 'Animoneny'. You can block them and also I would say that if you're getting bullied - and on the internet I think most kids know who they're talking to. It's actually hard to be anonymous on things like MSN or Facebook or Twitter. You could just record what they say and show them to your parents, which is a lot better than what's happening in the school yards.
TONY JONES: All right, you're watching Q&A. Go to our website. Find out how to register to join the studio audience or send in a video question like this one from Josh Holloway in Pasadena, South Australia.
JOSH HOLLOWAY: There is a noticeable generational divide within the climate change debate, most evident in the proportion of baby boomers amongst the opposition to pricing carbon dioxide. Past generations sacrificed so much to ensure quality of life in Australia but who now does our generation and those following have to look up to?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Fuzzy, let's start with you. Do you think there's a generational divide in this issue? I mean he's suggesting, I think, that baby boomers are basically supporting or against the carbon tax and generation Y more or less is favouring it. That's his suggestion.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Well, I can't speak on behalf of all generation Y but I do approve of the carbon tax myself. I don't think that there is a generation divide with this. I think we can generally see through the same lens on this particular issue is that we do want change, however, nobody wants to pay extra tax. Nobody wanted to pay the GST when it was proposed during the Howard Government years but it's inevitable. We are going to be paying carbon tax. It's happening right now. The Greens have...
RUSLAN KOGAN: It's inevitable?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: It is inevitable because the Greens hold the balance of power in government - in parliament and the head of the Greens is swayed to Julia Gillard's point of view that she wants carbon tax to happen in Australia. She wants it to take effect in Australia.
JAMES PATERSON: I think that's a really important point Fuzzy, which is that we will have a carbon tax because the Greens want it. We will not have a carbon tax because the Labor Party wants it, because they went to the last election saying that there wouldn't be a carbon tax. We won't have a carbon tax because the Liberal Party wants it, because they also went to the election saying that we won't have one. So you had both major parties saying there'll be no carbon tax and only the Greens said that they did want a carbon tax and we're going to have one. So I think there's a very serious issue here and that's why we've seen such a massive community response against the carbon tax and that's why you're seeing Julia Gillard polling at historical lows and the Labor Party polling at some of the worst primary vote measures we've seen in the history of polling.
TONY JONES: It is ironic though, isn't it, because if the Liberals had kept Malcolm Turnbull you would have had both the carbon price and, for the first year, a carbon tax. So the Liberals have changed their position on this. Did you change your position at that time?
JAMES PATERSON: No. No. I was very pleased when we saw the back of Malcolm Turnbull and that's why it was a great decision by the Liberal Party to change their leaders.
TONY JONES: Let's hear from Samah.
SAMAH HADID: I think this is an issue for young and old. There isn't a generational divide on this front. The fact that you had 45,000 Australians, young and old, attend the Say Yes Rallies on putting a price on pollution speaks for itself and I don't know where, James, your basing your viewpoint and this idea that most Australians are against this.
JAMES PATERSON: Well, every published major opinion poll says it.
SAMAH HADID: Well, I think these rallies speak louder than that. You know 45,000 Australians...
JAMES PATERSON: So that it more representative than a (indistinct) poll...
SAMAH HADID: But these polls are very rigid in of themselves.
JAMES PATERSON: So you're questioning Nielsen, you're questioning Newspoll, you're questioning Galaxy, you're questioning Essential Media Research which, by the way, is a left-wing firm, which has also found the majority of Australians are opposed to a carbon tax?
SAMAH HADID: Let's look at these rallies though. Look, the fact that people were willing to go out to the streets and rally in regards to this, I think speaks for itself. I think that it's...
JAMES PATERSON: All right, well, let's have a plebiscite then.
SAMAH HADID: It's a reflection of...
JAMES PATERSON: Let's let people have a vote.
RUSLAN KOGAN: I think...
SAMAH HADID: What a waste of time and money that would be.
JAMES PATERSON: You're very confident...
RUSLAN KOGAN: This is where the problem lies.
JAMES PATERSON: You're very confident that the public doesn't support it. Let's find out.
SAMAH HADID: I think a plebiscite on this...
TONY JONES: Let's actually hear from Ruslan.
RUSLAN KOGAN: The issue with this whole carbon tax and global warming thing for me is, you know, I'm a global warming sceptic. I'm a global cooling sceptic. I'm a Elvis is still alive sceptic. You know, the thing with this issue is you've got important people out there saying the debate is over. The time to act is now. You know, this is a scientific issue. Science is based on debating every single hypothesis.
TONY JONES: But hang on. Can I just ask you this...
RUSLAN KOGAN: Yeah.
TONY JONES: ...evidently you don't believe in the scientists?
RUSLAN KOGAN: No, I believe the scientists but there's...
JOSH THOMAS: Which ones?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Yeah, which ones?
RUSLAN KOGAN: There's scientists saying very valid arguments on both sides of the equation. There's just as much proof for one thing as there is for the other. Now, yeah, I think that's the question to be answered.
TONY JONES: We've got a questioner down the front here. I'll just go to him.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: I have a question for Samah.
SAMAH HADID: Yeah.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Why is a rally in support of the carbon tax a powerful, emotive call to arms but the rally against the carbon tax was just a bunch of extremists?
SAMAH HADID: Because these particular rallies in support of the carbon tax account for 45,000 Australians. The rallies against the carbon tax accounted for a very, very minimal number of Australians.
RUSLAN KOGAN: And that's what it comes down to. It's not how many people think one thing and rally against one thing. It's one person who knows and can prove something. If it was all about the majority thought, we'd still think the world was flat. We'd still think the sun revolves around the earth. It's about proof.
TONY JONES: Okay. I'm not going to spend hours going through that one but, Josh, what's your thought on it?
JOSH THOMAS: Don't look at me. Look, I mean, I'm for a carbon tax. I don't know what baby boomers think about it because I'm not one of them. Maybe I should call my grandma. But I think this idea of a plebiscite is kind of ridiculous (indistinct)...
RUSLAN KOGAN: (Indistinct) consequences of a carbon tax.
JOSH THOMAS: Yes.
RUSLAN KOGAN: Things will get more expensive, people will lose jobs, manufacturing will go overseas. Can no one make that connection?
SAMAH HADID: And what will happen if we don't act?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Can we talk about carbon tax that's been effective in other parts of the world, like in Sweden? They introduced it ten years ago and carbon emissions reduced by 9 per cent. So there is proof out there that carbon tax does work.
JAMES PATERSON: Just to respond to that, the Productivity Commission released a report last week and the key sentence in that report for anybody who cared to read it was nowhere in the world is there an economy-wide carbon tax or ETS - nowhere in the world. Every existing scheme and there are only very few existing schemes that are running now, have massive exemptions. They have exemptions for agriculture. They have huge subsidies. There is no comprehensive economy-wide scheme. The scheme that is most commonly cited that Australia should follow the lead of is the European Union Scheme but in its first six years of operation the ETU scheme raised two and a half billion dollars of revenue and that's for 500 million people. In the first year of operation of the carbon tax in Australia it proposes to raise 11 and a half billion dollars so it will raise five times more revenue in one year than in an ETS did over six years so that gives you a pretty good idea about how inactive the world is on this issue.
TONY JONES: Okay, we're going to move on. The next question comes from Nick Backo.
NICK BACKO: Why is it that Gen-Y are so passionate about refugee issues in Australia and do you think that this is a lasting change in generational attitude or is it as some would describe youthful naivety?
TONY JONES: Fuzzy, let's start with you?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: I believe that we are very passionate about refugee issues is because I think there is an innate...
TONY JONES: Do you think it's a Gen-Y issue? I mean, as is being suggested here?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: I don't think it actually is a Gen-Y issue.
TONY JONES: Because, I mean, the (indistinct) would suggest otherwise. There are an awful lot of young people who obviously were part of Gen-Y...
FUZZY AGOLLEY: That's true.
TONY JONES: ...wearing racist t-shirts, chanting racist slogans.
JOSH THOMAS: See that's a violent protest. That's what you want. Is that what you want, Tony?
TONY JONES: I didn't say that I wanted violent protest.
JOSH THOMAS: Go and upturn the cars, kids. Sorry, refugees are very important. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
TONY JONES: Do you want to talk about refugees.
JOSH THOMAS: Well, you know, a week ago I was very vague on refugees and then they talked me into coming on this show so I've been reading about it and I feel quite a lot more vague about refugees now than I do a week ago but what frightens me and what I think frightens a lot of young people is just the incredible lack of compassion that is brought into this debate. These people are - you know, they're running for their lives and what I read, what I found out this week, is boat people that - the boat people - I really had that term, that turn up to Australia, there's not that many of them, 90 per cent get granted genuine refugee status, which is - that's actually great news. 90 per cent of these people, we manage to use our - you know, our wealth and our good fortune to help them out and save their lives and that's something that we should be celebrating instead of turning it into this disgusting icky, horrible political issue that just makes me want to cry.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Yeah.
RUSLAN KOGAN: The whole refugee issue is very close to me because in 1989 my parents fled Russia, arrived in Australia with $90 in their pocket and I'm very fortunate for the great opportunities that this country has given me. But, yeah, I think the refugee issue is an important one because, you know, if you look at it as well though, you know people are going to act on incentives. So there's people that are trying the fully legitimate path of coming to Australia and if you're allowing the illegitimate path, they're actually - the government is causing all of these deaths on the boats because the more boat people are going to come as you're - if you're going to start letting them in because they're going to say, oh, why am I going to go the legitimate path if there's this other path. But I think also, you know, we have to care for these people. We have to care and sympathise with them because we don't want anyone hurt and you've got to look at the real issues, like what's going on in these countries that are making the people flee.
TONY JONES: We're running short of time. I want to hear Samah on this and then we'll move on.
SAMAH HADID: Well, I think young people are far more rational on the refugee and asylum seeker issue than our - than they older generation are and our political leaders are. You know, for us we see ourselves as global citizens. We're interconnected to, you know, different causes and global issues from around the world so we recognise, you know, the issues that lead to seeking asylum. The persecution that leads to seeking asylum and we're far more able to empathise with people and the courageous journeys they take than, you know, unfortunately our political leaders are. Our compassion, our commitment towards human rights, is not conditional on political election cycles and that's the difference.
TONY JONES: Okay, you're watching the special Gen-Y edition of Q&A. Our last question tonight comes from Lance Roger.
LANCE ROGER: Yes. I'm a baby boomers and quite proud of it, and so is my wife sitting next to me. We've just retired and we're enjoying the fruits of our 40 years of hard labour in state education. We do so through fairly frequent trips within Australia and overseas. Whenever we suggest to our two adult sons that we're about to take another one of these trips - they refer to them as SKI trips (Spending Kids Inheritance).
We refer to them as SKIN trips (Spending Kids Inheritance Now). We tell them that they should work hard, save carefully, and love their parents. Who holds the moral high ground here?
TONY JONES: Let's start with James.
JAMES PATERSON: Look, I don't buy this generational conflict argument really at all. I think we've got a lot to be grateful for, for the generations that have come before us: the baby boomers, the great generation before them and I think young people are going to do a lot of great things in the future, as well. So I don't buy into this generational conflict anymore.
LANCE ROGER: I should say my boys aren't serious.
TONY JONES: Fuzzy.
FUZZY AGOLLEY: I don't know...
TONY JONES: Is there an issue of generational equity here?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Yes, I do believe so. I think that we agree on a lot of things. I don't think that we should be ageist and divide opinions based on generation Y or baby boomers or whatever generation is younger than us. I don't think that there is a specific term for them. I think that we all generally want hope in society who want to do well, who want to have opportunities and we want to create a better future for ourselves.
TONY JONES: And what about the young people who are looking to inherit homes that older people bought cheaply and make an awful lot of money out of?
LANCE ROGER: What?
FUZZY AGOLLEY: Party on.
TONY JONES: Josh.
JOSH THOMAS: Spend the money. Do it.
LANCE ROGER: We are.
JOSH THOMAS: You know, I haven't met your kids. I don't know if they're nice at all but I would think just spend.
LANCE ROGER: Yeah, they are.
JOSH THOMAS: Go on holiday. I would.
LANCE ROGER: We do.
JOSH THOMAS: Good, yeah. I agree. I don't know what the question was. Was that the answer? Yeah, must spend the money. I have something to say about refugees that I learned this week. I was supposed to use my research.
TONY JONES: You can say that.
JOSH THOMAS: Because you said that they should take a legitimate route but I read the UN Human Rights Commission, they've said that there is - for these people, for genuine refugees, there is no legitimate route because they need to get out too quickly and it's too dangerous for them to apply for asylum. The only opportunity these people have is an illegitimate route. That's the only opportunity they have and 90 per cent of these people taking the illegitimate route we agree with. We agree with.
RUSLAN KOGAN: Do we do...
SAMAH HADID: It's not illegitimate though. That's the thing.
RUSLAN KOGAN: Do we do a bandaid solution or (indistinct)
TONY JONES: Okay, I'd love to let you all go on for another half an hour but we've run out of time. Please thank our panel: Ruslan Kogan, Samah Hadid, Josh Thomas, Faustina 'Fuzzy' Agolley and James Paterson. Thanks to all of them and next week on Q&A Australia's first Green member of the House of Reps Adam Bandt, Infrastructure Minister Anthony Albanese; the Shadow Treasure Joe Hockey; and political cartoonist Fiona Katauskas. We'll see you next Monday. Until then good night.
How Q&A unfolded according to a selection from the #qanda twitter stream
In the #qanda studio audience tonight: ALP 31%, COALITION 39%, GREENS 18%. And 16-24 YEAR OLDS 50% abcqanda 21:38
It's interesting how all of tonight's panelists have twitter. #qanda bravotrav 21:39
#qanda too many opinions not enough life experience jarrodloats 21:39
Uninterested in politics Tony, not disinterested. Even us Gen Ys know that much. #qanda msmaddiep 21:39
isnt most of the audience for #qanda the 'younger generation' anyway? disinterested? maybe not... mikaelabnhm 21:40
Disinterested in politics? No. Dissatisfied? Yes. #qanda KarloKruschev 21:40
Having said that, this answer from Josh is very good. #qanda elizabethredman 21:40
#qanda we are interested, just not in being lied to, goodbye Julia! kricho85 21:40
Good to see the gen y's got up and gave the middle seat to the old guy #qanda MrPyroHoward 21:40
Lack of interest? I think the premise is completely false #qanda DavidBerthold 21:40
Josh is talking about his generation #qanda rhapsody_bri 21:40
They're not disinterested, they're just too busy tweeting about it. #qanda virag064 21:40
Gen Y are interested...it's just that pollies blather BS until we all fall asleep #qanda Jayne13 21:40
aw josh thomas is so nervous. That laugh :X #qanda spittingfish 21:41
#qanda Tony jones is going to struggle to keep a straight face tonight. Great panel Carbon_Tom1 21:41
gen y'ers are the only people interested in politics lol ... isn't its always the uni students protesting? #qanda tallicachild 21:41
#qanda Australian politics IS boring brissiemick 21:41
James Patterson. Young, articulate, tall. A good representative for gen y. #qanda JoshKaplan 21:41
So, we should only be involved in politics if we live in a dictatorship? I don't like this argument. #qanda mjec 21:41
Gen Y on #QandA let's hope they don't put us to shame and they talk some sense #onegenytoanother rissi_gurl 21:41
Gen Y panel swivels a lot more than others. Sit still kids! #dizzy #qanda SometimesKaren 21:42
I'm 22 and I'm very engaged. I would've voted twice in the last election if I could afford the fine! #qanda simpim 21:42
most of Gen Y is probably playing xbox right now #qanda halfy81 21:42
Hey GenY, Global Warming is a political issue that's very important... #QandA neotaco 21:42
feeling very Gen Y as I sit watching #qanda on the tv, checking fb, twitter and talking on skype with mob in hand. stephjmadden 21:42
I'm interested in politics... I vote! The stupid, it burns! #qanda lukeweston 21:42
Calling Gen Y apolitical is condescending ageist crap. #qanda GavinDFernando 21:42
Nothing to fight for? Monumental imagination fail fuzzy #QandA MatthewSquair 21:42
All questions tonight should be 140 characters or less #qanda chuqtas 21:43
Gen Y realises that technology is the way of the future, online voting? #qanda Phipps11 21:43
I've already lost my attention towards this program #qanda StephClareNoir 21:43
Interesting point: Gen Y isn't interested in the politicians we're interested in the politics #qanda Murphy_Kayleigh 21:43
SLACKTIVISM #qanda Trisha_Jha 21:43
Voting int compulsory, attendance is #qanda mewelljr 21:43
"We're not interested in the politicians, we're interested in the issues." YES. #qanda kashiichan 21:43
Gen Y is active. Just not in the way Gen X were. #qanda GeezBethLouise 21:43
My #qanda keeps freezing... is this a metaphor for #geny... unreliable, flakey... petergraham123 21:43
I'm not disinterested in politics. I am just treated with contempt by politicians, so I return in kind. #qanda DanielNguyen 21:43
Such an Internet freak - turning cars over is better than fb likes #qanda rovingeye10 21:43
I don't care about gay marriage but as a gay man I demand the right to a bridal registry #qanda kylieminge 21:43
We are interested in politics! All for gay rights #qanda MadiRed 21:44
I tweet my local MP, and he responds too! #qanda natnie 21:44
Has a facebook group ever achieved anything in Australia? #qanda Paul_Ausvotes 21:44
#qanda I'd be more engaged if politicians spoke with emotion, not pre planned explanations. dikkeh 21:44
Gen Y are lazy. Can we all agree on that at least?! #qanda LainieEiff 21:44
The rich young person is right, young people are engaged in ways that us old people don't understand. #QandA georgieferrari 21:44
does a 10 min to make facebook page and a million like equal real change? #qanda sandyfree87 21:44
seems a bit individualist #qanda purplegrrl 21:44
There is a difference between general interest in specific issues and an interest in politics #qanda evolutionsfault 21:44
Facebook pages? samuraidarryl 22:20
fuzzy you can pay my carbon tax #qanda Mattrj1989 22:20
Generation Y supports the Carbon Tax because we have to live with the repercussions of Climate Change. #qanda macleanbrendan 22:20
I don't want to pay any tax, doesn't mean I think taxation is wrong #qanda Chrisd_Owens 22:20
Approve of a carbon tax without the detail are you sure #qanda MBayForce 22:20
It's a misinformation divide on #climate change not a generational divide #qanda thefuturemakers 22:21
How about we'll have a carbon tax because the climate needs it? #qanda NorthcoteIND 22:21
hey lib Tony Abbott ain't polling that well either. Ps Malcolm is a hottie leave him alone #qanda misskittysmeow 22:21
If Tony Abbott is your better choice, it's time to change your members. #qanda KiraGP 22:21
James, we voted overwhelmingly for a price on carbon on 2007 #qanda johncarneyau 22:21
pretty sure he wont be happy to see the front if Turnbull before the next election #qanda bhiamie 22:21
For a representative of an "independent think tank", this IPA kid is pretty much an LNP shill... #QandA juzzytribune 22:22
"I'm not a cool kid in Milan but..." #qanda Alex_Carlton 22:22
I have never ever been polled or know of anyone who has #qanda belleoneil 22:22
I think a Facebook 'like' speaks louder than a rally or opinion poll! #qanda AndrewMusgrove1 22:22
People will rally about anything. The Melbourne Zombie Walk is a prime example of this. #qanda PurpleSkwid 22:23
Elvis is dead?! #qanda LovelyPeepsPod 22:23
I am still hanging out for those 2007 Nuclear plebiscites that John Howard promised me. #qanda Hewhoblogs 22:23
Young or old we all live on one planet #qanda stephenfinkel 22:23
Wait until the tax has actually got the details worked out before having this discussion. #qanda AugustusBrown 22:23
Oh, not the plebiscite. How about Abbott's video people? #qanda CanterburyAgain 22:23
As with any poll, those on the carbon tax are influenced by how the questions are framed #qanda CameronBurge 22:23
Scientific issue yes but also affects MY cost of living #qanda wylie_ma 22:23
#qanda Why are the two right wing entrepreneurs both against the free market carbon tax? ohpointybird 22:23
Dear Mr Kogan, where do you stand on over consumerism having a contribution to dwindling natural sources #qanda tonestar 22:24
Democracy is about the majority !! #qanda joshrowe 22:24
Rus. I want to see references to this "evidence" #qanda Miilky_Joe 22:24
The weight of proof is overwhelmingly in favor of the existence of climate change #qanda nesswalsh1985 22:24
No, science is not about debate, and no, there are not value points against AGW #qanda darkstardeity 22:24
It's about proof! Proof that is compatible with my political beliefs! #qanda timsterne 22:24
Just because it's the popular decision doesn't mean that it is the right one #qanda NymBomer 22:25
#QandA great point fuzzy - look at historical examples LaPerouseLorne 22:25
Arnt Mr kogans products produced over seas anyway? #qanda Apalmer723 22:25
Now this is more like it. Gen Y arguing #qanda tansybradshaw 22:25
i love it when the booing starts #qanda #mature ket788 22:25
Damn. We just got nailed on climate. #qanda Nick_Allardice 22:26
Come on Australia can't we do something first...ground breaking...#qanda Origins3888 22:26
Popped my #qanda cherry tonight, its a surprisingly good time! LucyOlsen 22:26
it's a marginal seat issue #qanda stephenhawk11 22:26
It's not a Gen Y issue. It's a humanity issue. #qanda Moondancer92 22:26
Because so many Gen Ys are children of immigrants #qanda zara_thompson 22:26
Thanks for pointing that out about the Cronulla riots, #SilverFox. I heart you. #qanda misskylie77 22:26
I think there are few to few Gen Y sympathisers with the plight of the refugees. #QandA lyss_is_rad 22:26
Australia is a country of migrants. What did the colonials come on? Oh, that's right - BOATS! #qanda senthorun 22:26
None of these issues are restricted to Gen Y #qanda pamii_jayne 22:26
Thank God the climate change debate will continue have idiocy in the next generation #qanda craigreucassel 22:27
Send the refugees back home. If they don't come here legally, why should they be our issue? #qanda DelPapa13 22:27
Are Gen Y into motherhood statements? #qanda rhysam 22:27
We seem a lot more concerned, as a nation, about boat livestock than boat people. #Qanda meegie_moo 22:27
90% of the 0.04% of worldwide refugees that Australia accepts #qanda marnban 22:27
Most australian's are immigrants. #qanda ACuddleFish 22:27
We need to focus on speeding up the process rather than trying to find a place to keep them #qanda AliciaRolls12 22:28
#qanda I thought cows were more important than refugees - at least that's how it looked last week eeaaw 22:28
The boat people... that term makes me sick! We are all human #qanda KHYR3N 22:28
So many Baby Boomers and Gen Y are also children of immigrants. #qanda PuppyOnTheRadio 22:28
#qanda Tony Abbott said he would stop the boats. I saw a New Zealander in the Parliament today. SteveMcKiernan 22:28
Refugees are humans, not statistics #qanda GertyRoyboy 22:28
I'm for stopping the boats now #qanda tip66 22:28
The framing of the refugee issue by both parties is abhorrent. #qanda jclacherty 22:28
#qanda Gillard has no idea what to do Havenr64 22:28
I just want to know a terrorist isn't coming on a boat hiding as a refugee. Why is that bad? #qanda alihan6232 22:29
Another hour!!!! #qanda simonrobson7 22:29
I think us Gen Y ers need to get out more, if we think everyone agrees with us #qanda caedwa 22:29
You brought them up #qanda rubyjeanswrap 22:30
Okay, can we talk about Amy Whinehouse now? #qanda damientweeting 22:30
FREAKING GREAT QUESTION! #qanda jefton 22:30
The multi-millionaire isn't allowed to answer this one #qanda Paige_Burton 22:30
Doesn't matter how hard I work if you bastards flood our coastline. #qanda cibyr 22:30
My parents spent all of my inherritance on tax #qanda MP_almer 22:30
What a great hour of discussion. Thanks. #qanda matthewbarram 22:30
I'd be more than happy for my parents to spend 'my' inheritance. They earned it, not me! #qanda callyjackson 22:30
#qanda You earned the money so you can spend it!!! SKINS all the way! rachelseage 22:30
I wish Josh Thomas ran the country. Every day would feel like a warm and slightly unknowledgeable hug #qanda chloee24 22:30
#qanda what a fantastic last question!! khui07 22:30
Great question. Truly the wisest generation. #qanda #killmenow Tim_Matthews 22:30
#qanda babyboomers are funny Housie1 22:30
Selfish baby boomers. It's all their fault! #qanda EmRusciano 22:30
Love it ski trips....#qanda Ally_Harris 22:30
Baby Boomers: Free university, free medicare, free everything... #qanda kazonis 22:30
#qanda good on you baby boomer I'm one and agree totally gen y do expect alot more hand outs than we got janey3putt 22:31
If anything I will inherit debt. I think everyone should be brought up to stand on their own two feet. #qanda Kimmi_h 22:31
If my dad doesn't leave me a house when he dies, he better watch out!. #qanda mattnorthgong 22:31
Gen X forgotten again. Look guys, we're over here!!!! #qanda MsNellyThomas 22:31
I'd rather have my mumma around than have her die to get her money. But I'm just an old Gen x softy #qanda LouLuzzi 22:31
Baby Boomers are called spoilt rotten gen for a reason #qanda maninultimo 22:31
This is more fun then politicians. Do it again please #qanda pwae 22:31
You know what I like about Josh Thomas? He clearly did his homework. Nice one. #qanda mrbenjaminlaw 22:32
Was Wyatt Roy not available for Gen Y #QandA? Oh, he's probably Gen Z, or Gen AA. domknight 22:32
Fiona's fantastic. Can't wait to see her rock #QandA. latikambourke 22:33
Line up next week on #qanda *yawn* too many politicians jasonakerr 22:33
I was really hoping for a dance-off. But then again I usually am. #qanda paulverhoeven 22:34
Lots of diverse responses here, but I thought GenY #qanda was very engaging. abcmarkscott 22:34
#qanda should have more gen y shows jasonball88 22:37
AAAND BREATHE. #qanda joshthomas87 22:39
I need a wine! #qanda Faustinathefuzz 22:39
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Faustina Agolley is the host of Australias most watched music program Video Hits, a role she has had for four years. The job has seen her interview some of the worlds biggest entertainers including the Black Eyed Peas, Alicia Keys, Kayne West, Jack White, Muse, Green Day, Rihanna, Dave Grohl, John Paul Jones, Sinead O'Connor and Neil Finn.
Video Hits is the longest running music video program in the world to an Australian audience that averages over 1.3 million viewers each weekend. Over the years live television events include Make Poverty History where both U2 and Pearl Jam performed live, National Youth Week and the Australia Day concerts.
Prior to Video Hits, Faustina enjoyed a modeling career and was a guest presenter on Channel [V] and the host of gadget and game review show, Cybershack, where she road tested the latest gadgets and games from around the world.
Faustina has also hosted TEN's coverage of the New Years Eve Fireworks, appeared on Talking Bout Your Generation, Good News Week and Spicks and Specks as a guest panellist.
Faustina holds degrees in Media and Geography from Melbourne University, RMIT University. She advocates her passion for the environment and development by being the spokesperson for World Environment Day, Coastcare, Together.com and Reconciliation Australia. Faustina is a patron of the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation ambassador for Cancer Councils Girls Night In and for the Australian Literacy and Numeracy Foundation.
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Josh Thomas
Josh Thomas was born in Blackwater Queensland and brought up in the western suburbs of Brisbane.
According to his twitter profile Josh is a Comedian. (hopefully.) I have a dog called John. Also I have a boyfriend, his name isn't Ralph but we are calling him Ralph.
Josh has performed solo stand up seasons all over the world and was also the curator of the Brisbane Comedy Festival for two years.
In 2005 when he was just 17, Josh Thomas was the youngest ever winner of the Melbourne International Comedy Festivals RAW Comedy Competition. He also made the finals of So You Think Youre Funny, Edinburghs equivalent to RAW Comedy. Josh thought he was the King of the world but his next gig was in a scary you-might-actually-die-when-they-stab-you style Tavern in front of 12 comics and a man sitting at the bar crying into his beer.
Josh Thomas is the Generation Y Team Captain on Talkin bout Your Generation and has appeared on Good News Week and The 7pm Project. He was also on Celebrity Masterchef but his Italian Meringue didn't work.
In 2010, he was named GQ Comedian of the Year and nominated for a Logie Award for Most Popular New Male Talent.
Josh is an atheist who will host the Think Inc. conference on science and rationalism in Melbourne this September. He has offered free political advice to Kevin Rudd in the past and earlier this year submitted a video question to Q&A which featured on our 21 March edition.
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Ruslan Kogan
Ruslan Kogan is a 28 year old self-made multimillionaire. A millionaire by the age of 24, he established his own company Kogan in 2006.
After completing a Bachelor of Business Systems at Monash University, Ruslan had by the age of 23 worked at the IT departments of Bosch, GE and Telstra, and been a management consultant at Accenture. He started Kogan in his parent's garage , and has gone on to build an international online business. Kogan is an online store specialising in TVs, digital video cameras and home appliances. Ruslans company is one of the fastest growing in Australia and was recently valued at over $200m by Wealth Creator magazine.
Ruslan is also a partner in another successful online furniture business, and is the only person ever to have two companies on the BRW Fast Starters list. Ruslan is one of the first Australians to book a ticket on Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic flight into space.
Ruslan has won a number of awards for his success in business, including the My Business 2010 Best Young Gun in Business, SmartCompany 2011 Hot 30 , and 2010 Charter Security Retail Innovator of the Year.
In August 2010 Ruslan Kogan began a war of words with Gerry Harvey, founder of Harvey Norman. Ruslan criticised Harvey Norman's business model, claiming that the best deals in electronics can be found online. The debate spilled into the media and Ruslan challenged Gerry Harvey to a debate on national TV, which Harvey declined.
In September 2010 Ruslan again made headlines for being unsuccessful in a job application at a McDonald's restaurant in Melbourne. He didnt want a career change, but was keen to study their efficiency processes.
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Samah Hadid
Samah Hadid is a 23 year old human rights advocate from Sydney and former Australian Youth Representative to the UN.
She serves is a member of the UN Experts Group on Youth and serves as the Youth Representative on the Australian National Commission for UNESCO, member of Amnesty International's Diversity Steering Committee and Action Partner for Oxfam International Youth Partnerships.
Samah has previously been a member of Bankstown Council's Youth Advisory Committee, the National Youth Roundtable and selected as a participant to the Prime Ministers 2020 Summit.
In 2009 she completed a fellowship with the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights.
Samah has been recognized for her volunteer work as the CRC Young Volunteer of the year, UWS Young Woman from the West, finalist for NSW Young Person of the Year and received a human rights commendation award. Samah is also a co author of the book The Future by Us.
Samah is also a performance artist and playwright, she is currently developing The Burka Monologues.
She has just returned from the Middle East where she interviewed youth activists involved in the revolutions and uprisings in Egypt, Tunisia , Palestine and Yemen.
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James Paterson
James Paterson is the Associate Editor of the IPA Review at the Institute of Public Affairs, and is completing the final year of his Bachelor of Arts & Bachelor of Commerce degree at the University of Melbourne.
James worked for Victorian Liberal Senator Mitch Fifield from 2006 to 2010. His articles have appeared in Spectator Australia, the ABCs opinion website The Drum, The Australian, the Courier Mail, the Centre for Independent Studies Policy, The Punch and Online Opinion.
James was born and raised in Melbourne, except for two brief stints living in the United States. During the first, in the mid 1990s, James attended Key Elementary School in Washington DC. He later returned, in 2008, to work over summer in the office of Republican Congressman Lincoln Diaz-Balart of Florida.
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If he could stand up to the best of Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson, if he could keep his nerve and a new and biting sense of himself, how could the old man not win one of the most tumultuous golf tournaments we are ever likely to see?
It is the question Kenny Perry is now obliged to ask for the rest of his life.
For Perry, 48-years-old and as rotund as a tavern keeper back home in Kentucky, it must have seemed like a sneak preview of his career obituary when the world's number one and two players disinterred themselves from three days of strange passivity.
Perry had however, at least we thought we saw on the 16th tee, enough to carry himself to a different level in both the eyes of the world and himself. It was not far enough, though, not nearly far enough, when Angel Cabrera added a green jacket to a US Open title on a second play-off hole.
After Mickelson and Woods exhausted their ability to turn logic on its head, Perry left the ball stiff against the flag for a vital lead. The birdie carried him two shots clear of his closest rivals, Chad Campbell and Cabrera.
The trouble was Kenny Perry deceived everybody, and most calamitously himself. In the end he didn't have enough of the winning stuff. His nerve failed him – it was as brutally simple as that.
One moment he was contemplating the possibility of becoming the oldest player ever to win a major title, the next he was, psychologically speaking, diving under a table.
This first happened when Mickelson sped to a breathtaking, six-under par 30 on the outward nine. The Tiger, who was almost as stunned as Perry, birdied the second and eagled the eighth – between them they had made the tournament leader's overnight advantage over them of seven shots seem as flimsy as a small pile of matchsticks.
Naturally, everyone expected Perry to do the polite, courtly southern thing, make his apologies and leave. His years here had, after all, not exactly been a roll call of glory: eight appearances, five failures to beat the cut, scoring average of 73.86 and a best finish of 12th – 14 years ago.
However, it seemed that something had stirred in the good 'ole boy these last few days, and Mickelson, he made clear, would have to do more than scare the lights out of him. He would have to keep his nerve ... and the edge of his game.
Why was Perry provoked to announce that he could surpass Jack Nicklaus, aged 46, and Julius Boros, 48, as major title holders who refused to bend to the march of time?
Maybe it was all the talk of Tiger returning triumphantly to reclaim his empire – or of bright kids from places like Ireland and New Zealand and Japan who weren't even born when he and his wife were sharing, rent-free, a relative's tiny apartment and he was seeing his own hopes crumble, one by one.
Whatever it was, Perry told himself more ferociously than ever before that he wanted something other than the security that financial security that eventually came with 13 tour victories.
He wanted to be somebody – not someone just sitting on the stoop back home telling of the days when he brushed against players like Woods and Mickelson and ageing legends like Jack Nicklaus and Arnie Palmer and Gary Player. He wanted to tell not of how he knew them but how he beat them.
It was a resolve that by the dusk of Saturday evening appeared to have taken hold of every fibre of his body – and yesterday helped him put his head down and run off a string of pars to hold his lead as the Mickelson and Woods performance rumbled ominously.
On Saturday Perry shared the lead with Cabrera, who though nearly a decade his junior had already proved that he could win one of the big ones. They had played to their limits – and were seven shots clear of Woods and Mickelson, the glory boys who had to go out on to the course a full hour before the principal duellists appeared. But then in the dusk of last night Mickelson and Woods had gone and Perry was scuffling against Cabrera – and the dour Texan.
For some years it seemed that Perry had soothed the disappointment of losing his one chance of a major title win – in a PGA play-off in 1996 – with his periodic tour titles and a string of pay cheques.
But then how many houses do your need, how many cars, how much sweetness can be injected into a life beyond the dreams of the young, scrabbling golfer whose daily chore was to stamp on a few invading cockroaches?
Such a reflection had plainly brought Kenny Perry to a competitive edge last produced when the European Ryder Cup arrived in his home state last September. Before yesterday's action he was talking about possibly the perfect focus of his long career. "You know what, we got 18 holes to go and I'm in a great spot. I've got something that I can achieve that will move me up another notch on the totem pole. I go from a good player to maybe people start thinking I'm a better player than just a good player. I'm never thinking I'm a superstar, but most people who talk about me say I'm a nice guy and I'm a good player – and that's about all you hear.
"So, who knows, maybe things will change; maybe attitudes will change."
"You want to push the boundaries back somewhat. Maybe you want to see yourself, and for other people to see you, in a different kind of light."
When he told his life story these last few days he did not exactly slide past the tough years. He brought them alive as strongly as the golf game which has, at all but the highest level of major play, always been marked by a reliable drive and a consistent refusal to accept defeat easily.
He said: "It was tough. Sandy and I were married right out of college in '82. Moved to Florida. I worked as a bag boy. I went on a mini tour out of Orlando. I made the mini tour on Mondays and Tuesdays every week and I did that for five years. We lived on $800 a month, we lived with my uncle in a little apartment, so I didn't have to pay rent. It was tough. We were scratching and clawing, trying to make ends meet. It makes me really appreciate where I am today."
As he prepared to fight off all challengers to his moment in the spring sunshine, Perry made one last assertion of self-belief. It was touching in its honesty. He said: "I still have some goals I think are attainable. I would certainly like to be the oldest player who ever won a major.
"So I have re-focused and re-dedicated. I'm ready to challenge. I am at an age maturity-wise where I can handle pressure but my physical skills are not as good as when I was in my 20s and 30s. I don't hit it as far and it seems my irons are not quite as crisp, but I'm a lot better thinker and I have more confidence and more belief. I believe it's going to happen."
This morning that belief lies among the pine needles where so many other dreams were put to their rest.
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