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History of the Prairie Inn Part I: From Henry Simpson to Prohibition.
History of the Prairie Inn
Part I: From Henry Simpson to Prohibition.
The history of the Prairie Inn begins with Henry and Adelaide Simpson who arrived in Esquimalt harbour aboard the Norman Morison on January 13, 1853. The recently married couple came from England where Henry had signed a five year contract to work as a baker and Adelaide as a laundress for the Puget Sound Company, a subsidiary of the Hudson's Bay Company (HBC). Once settled, they began working at the Constance Cove Farm in the Esquimalt District.
Five years quickly slipped away and the Simpsons fulfilled their contract to the HBC. On July 1, 1858 Henry purchased 300 acres in South Saanich District (known as Central Saanich today) where he built his house, a barn, and outbuildings that he named Stream Farm. Henry eventually added a small inn and named it the Prairie Tavern, where in 1864 he applied for and was granted a country liquor license. Henry was an excellent farmer and possessed a creative mind, he is credited with organizing the first "U-Drive" using trained horses that would get a person home and return rider less to their stables. This system was appreciated by those customers in the tavern who had a bit too much cheer.
Through the 1860's-1870's the Prairie Tavern was not only a place to rest and 'refresh the inner man' but it also served multiple functions: a meeting place for farmers to elect local officials and listen to their elected official when he came out from Victoria, a place where locals could obtain the latest news such as the new roads that were opened up from Victoria into the South Saanich District and road improvements, and for other important developments that affected their community.
Henry Simpson proved to be a renaissance man as Doreen Marion Gee states in her 2014 article, The Prairie Inn Neighbourhood Pub: A Legacy of Community Building, "Henry Simpson, was a baker, farmer, contractor, hotel owner, mailman, community worker and one of the founders of the Saanich Agricultural Society." The morning of October 9, 1885 was unusually warm and sunny, perfect conditions for the annual Saanich Agricultural Show. Dust rose up along the roads choked with carriages arriving from Victoria filled with eager folks and their excited children and looking forward to a day of fun in the country, which "gladdened the hearts of the farmers by their presence." There were attractions for everyone to enjoy with all kinds of animals on display and up for prizes including sheep, horses, pigs and cattle. Henry Simpson's best milch sow oxen won first prize in the cattle completion. The crowd was estimated at around 400 people, most of whom enjoyed a filling lunch put on by Simpson and his staff. They ate and drank under a sunny October sky while the Queen City Band played delightful music through the day. The band continued into the evening where a dance took place, the dance floor lit by lanterns and a large beautiful harvest moon.
Henry and Adelaide were early pioneers that helped develop what would eventually become the important corner of Mt Newton Cross Road and East Saanich Road in Saanichton. A small village grew up around the Prairie Tavern which really took root when the modest tavern was replaced with the much larger Prairie Hotel in 1893. Back then the South Saanich district area where the Prairie Tavern was located was known as Turgoose in the directory, named after the postmaster of the region, F. Turgoose. That name would be dropped by 1923 for the now familiar Saanichton.
Due to his varied commitments, Simpson found that after numerous attempts to sell his tavern and his farm that he found someone that was willing to lease his Prairie Tavern - John Camp was native of Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England and his wife Annie, was from Dorkin, Surrey, England. On June 22, 1889 Camp, who had successfully operated the Royal Oak Hotel in the Lake District, was granted a license, transferred from Mr. Simpson. This was the start of a sixteen year term for John Camp as proprietor of the popular hostelry. The Colonist newspaper reported, "Mr John Camp, late of the Royal Oak, Lake District has removed to the Prairie Tavern, South Saanich, where he will be glad to see his old friends and as many new ones as will give him a call. Refreshments served at the shortest notice. The bar furnished with best wines and liquors." Mr and Mrs Camp had gone through the anguish of having almost lost their son to a firearms accident. In 1883, John Camp, jr. was handling his father's loaded rifle when it went off with the bullet tearing through the young man's forearm. The arm had to be amputated in order to save his life.
By late 1892 Simpson and Camp agreed that the diminutive tavern needed to be replaced. Plans were drawn up and in 1893 the new Prairie Hotel and Tavern opened at the cost of $2,200, a sum that Simpson had to borrow. But he knew that business was good in his original tavern and was confident he would get a good return on his investment in his larger establishment. Some historians wrote that the original Prairie Tavern burned down, but there is photographic evidence that shows that the new tavern was built right beside the original and I suspect that business went on as usual right up to the time that the new tavern was prepared to take on customers. The original tavern was demolished.
Simpson was pleased with this arrangement and both parties made a tidy profit over the years. That all ended on May 9, 1905, when an ailing Mr. Camp died suddenly. There were a large number of people in attendance at his funeral. The late John Camp had been a member of the BC Pioneer Society, the Loyal Orangemen, Saanich Lodge #1597 and the Ancient Order of Foresters. The 62 year old Camp left behind his wife Annie and a daughter. Shortly after the funeral, the liquor licence was transferred to his wife.
On August 30, 1906, Annie Camp died at the age of 36. Two months after she passed away Henry Simpson, who built and worked his farm for the past 54 years as well as starting and nurturing his Prairie Inn Hotel business died on October 22, 1906 at the age of 78. The early pioneering history of the Prairie Tavern came to an end with the passing of Henry Simpson and a new chapter was beginning for the well-liked hostelry.
On August 30, 1906, Annie Camp died at the age of 36. Two months after she passed away Henry Simpson, who built and worked his farm for the past 54 years as well as starting and nurturing his Prairie Inn Hotel business died on October 22, 1906 at the age of 78. The early pioneering history of the Prairie Tavern came to an end with the passing of Henry Simpson and a new chapter was beginning for the well-liked hostelry.
John Southwell purchased the Prairie Hotel and his first advertisement that ran in the Colonist on September 18, 1906 read, "Prairie Hotel...Headquarters for Sportsmen, the hotel is situated in a good hunting country. Stabling for horses; best brands of liquors and cigars." Mrs. Southwell bore John a healthy son on November 14, 1908 which she proudly displayed in a family photograph taken with friends on the front porch of the hotel around May or June of 1909. In the autumn of 1909 they sold the Prairie Hotel to Enoch Sage and purchased the Oak Dell House Hotel in Colwood.
Enoch Sage operated the Prairie Hotel until January 1912 when he leased it to James Callander. In September 1913 Callander leased the hotel and bar to George and Lena Jenkins.
A fire broke out in the barn on the Prairie Hotel property in October 1916 and completely destroyed the structure and the contents within. Constable Dryden, with the assistance from many of the surrounding neighbors concentrated on ensuring the hotel was safe from the flames by applying wet sacks and buckets of water on the exterior of the hotel which only suffered some paint blistering from the intense heat of the barn fire. If it wasn't for their quick action, the history of the Prairie Inn may have been quite different. Three of four horses were saved from the flames but unfortunately the last horse did not make it out on time and succumbed to the flames and smoke. Enoch Sage, the owner of the property, estimated the loss at around $2,000. He promised to rebuild after an investigation into the fire and was thankful to all concerned that the hotel was spared.
The following October prohibition became the law of the land. The retail and wholesale of alcoholic products with greater than 1.5% alcohol was illegal and anyone caught selling it was subject to prosecution. On January 27, 1918, George Jenkins the proprietor of the Prairie Hotel was charged with having whisky in his possession, found guilty and was fined $75 by Magistrate Jay in Saanich Police Court. Jenkins apparently didn't get the message as less than two months later, on March 2, 1918, Jenkins found himself in court once again this time pleading guilty to selling intoxicants in his hotel bar. "Chief Little and his assistant had visited the hotel on Saturday morning last and found 34 bottles of beer testing 6.2 alcohol and also a bottle of gin among a lot of sacks in an outhouse. This being his second conviction since prohibition came into force, Magistrate Jay fined him $200 and $5 costs"- a princely sum in 1918.
Things calmed down through the early 1920's as Enoch Sage operated the Prairie Hotel and closed the bar. The hotel survived prohibition, at least for the first few years but the history of the hotel was still in its early period and there are many more tales to tell as we shall see in part II of my history of the Prairie Inn, covering the period from 1925 to today.
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Cocktail Lounge to HillBilly Bar ~ A History of Big Bad Johns, 1954-2016
From Cocktail Lounge to Hillbilly Bar ~
A History of Big Bad John's, 1954-2016
This article is written exclusively and in conjunction with, Big Bad John's Day which is taking place on Saturday November 26, 2016 in celebration and as a tribute to the longevity of Victoria's only hillbilly bar. I will trace the history of Big Bad John's, from its earliest roots as a cocktail lounge through its conception and years in the popular form it is today.
Big Bad John's hillbilly bar on the main floor of the Strathcona Hotel was the brainchild of John Olson, beverage manager of the hotel. He conceived and built the popular bar during the World's Fair in Seattle hoping to attract tourists to the Strathcona Hotel and his bar in particular. Big Bad John's was to be a temporary bar for the summer season in 1962 and plans were to either change it back to the original cocktail lounge or find a different use for the space. But what was just a whim turned out to be a gold mine for the Olson's as business at Big Bad John's exceeded their wildest dreams.
The 900 block of Douglas Street consisted of a few houses on the Courtney side some small trees and a large building on the corner of Broughton. They were demolished in 1911 to make way for a new 100-room office building designed by H.S. Griffith and named the Empress Block. Construction began in 1912 but plans changed and the completed building opened as the Strathcona Hotel in 1913. H.B "Barney" Olson purchased the hotel from Warren Martin in April 1946 and the Olson family has owned the Strathcona Hotel ever since.
John Olson began working for his father at the hotel at the age of sixteen, during summer vacation from school. Olson was the elevator operator until he moved up to bellboy. John Olson graduated from high school in 1948 and was accepted in the University of Victoria where he studied courses in commerce, he transferred to the University of British Columbia in his third year. He then was accepted at the University of Denver working towards a degree in Hotel Management. While attending university during the day, John worked as a bartender at night. He moved back to Victoria after his graduation armed with a degree in Hotel Management which made him an asset in his fathers' hotel.
Together with his brother Keith, who graduated with a degree in Commerce from the University of British Columbia, then with a degree in Restaurant Management from Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, they were valuable assets by assisting their father in running the Strathcona Hotel. John became beverage manager while Keith operated the hotel.
The city of Victoria remained "dry" after prohibition was repealed in 1921 because the majority of Victorians rejected beer-by-the-glass. But during the 1952 provincial election a plebiscite asking eligible voters if they wanted beer-by-the-glass was asked again, this time the results were a victory for the 'wets' by a slim margin of 61.5%. Barney Olson fought hard on the side of the 'wets' and upon hearing of the victory he began plans to build a cocktail lounge.
The Strathcona Room was the first cocktail lounge to open in British Columbia on July 1, 1954. The Strathcona Room took 28 days to build and occupied the space of the former beauty salon and barber shops where Big Bad John's is located today. The room was simple, small and cozy with 9 seats at the bar and 23 at well-spaced tables. A line of customers, curious about this novel thing named a cocktail lounge, began forming hours before opening at 2 p.m.
John Olson worked the bar with Joe Spark and waiter Harry Cross. The first customer, Russell Horton of Victoria ordered a martini. The Victoria Daily Times reported the following day, "For every customer that sat down, two were turned away. The place was jammed until closing at 11:30 p.m. In all, 200 persons were served." The Strathcona Room did a roaring business, as they were a curiosity and the only licensed lounge in town until the Bengal Room opened in the Empress months later. Rum proved to be the drink of choice as many of the early customers were from the Esquimalt Military Base. Men usually occupied the bar stools and couples gravitated to the tables.
The owners and their customers had to follow strict regulations. A sign posted by the bar read: 'It is unlawful to drink while standing.' Liquor inspectors continually harassed the operation of the lounge, as it was the only lounge in town to inspect. They had only been open for three weeks when an overzealous and pompous inspector came into the lounge. He asked John why I had so many liquor bottles on the shelves behind the bar. He explained that we used them to pour the drinks for the customers. The liquor inspector retorted, "You get those bottles out of sight or I'll close you down in two minutes." Joe Spark and John quickly took the bottles off the shelves and placed them on the floor. The inspector appeared satisfied but stayed around for a while and watched us as we tripped over liquor bottles while trying to serve customers. John Olson went to a stationary store, bought an assortment of coloured heavy paper, cut out label-sized sheets to cover the liquor bottle labels then placed them back on the shelves. Each liquor bottle was marked in pen as to its contents and held on with an elastic band. The reason he had to remove the bottles in the first place had to do with illegal advertising of liquor so John remedied the silly situation by covering the offending labels.
On Friday November 16, 1956, the Olson's opened a larger cocktail lounge that was right next door to the Strathcona Room, which we named The Pit. Designed by Industrial designer Earl Morrison, it could seat 100 patrons and featured a large copper fireplace in the center of the room. A wall done with blue cloth separated the walls paneled in black walnut done in three-inch batons. Bat winged chairs covered in a mix of red and blue added to the atmosphere of the room. Barney had invested between $40-50,000. The lounge proved to be a big hit with the public.
By 1962, the World's Fair came to Seattle. The Emerald City was less than eighty miles from Victoria and the prediction of millions of visitors coming to the Pacific Northwest gave John Olson an idea. He had been considering remodeling the Strathcona Lounge into a hillbilly - Paul Bunyan and his blue Ox style atmosphere. While hunting in Alberta John collected various discarded farm implements found in deserted barnyards. Every year he would bring more and more of these little treasures home to Victoria. Such as wagon wheels, lanterns, milk cans, old harnesses, even steer and buffalo skulls. The collection was stockpiled in the basement of the Hotel.
On a Sunday morning near the end of May 1962, renovations began turning the spartan Strathcona Room cocktail lounge into a hillbilly bar. By Tuesday at noon, the Strathcona Room was no more and in its place opened the newest lounge in town aptly named Big Bad John's. I originally intended Big Bad Johns to last the summer of the Seattle's World Fair and then to renovate it again to a different kind of bar. But it did so well since opening that we left it alone. And it has been going strong for the past 54 years.
I remember when my father, with me in tow, stopped outside Big Bad Johns in 1964. I was ten years old as I peered into the dark, noisy and smoke-filled room while my dad paid 5 cents to have a headline done up. Back in those days they had a fake newspaper called the Strathcona News where you could have your own headline printed up for a quarter. I sure wish we still had that paper today. There was also a shoeshine outside the bar in those early years.
I returned to the Strathcona Hotel and Big Bad John's in the 1970's, when I was at a legal age to drink. I recall going to the Beaver Pub that was used to be located in the north wing of the Empress Hotel, where I enjoyed inexpensive chilly and washed it down with a few beers. There was a group of us and we waited for our friend Craig, who was a cook at the Empress, to get off work then we'd all take a short walk over to Big Bad Johns where we would proceed to drink in earnest. I spent a lot of time and money in BBJ's over the years, but none were as fond as the times I spent with Craig and our small circle of friends. When I first went to BBJ's, there was no doorman and you had to get there early on a Friday or Saturday night if you wanted to get a seat, otherwise you'd be standing all night. By midnight the smoke was so thick in the bar that when you finally got home all your clothes right down to your underwear smelled of smoke. That of course changed when the smoking bylaw came into law in 2000, which banned smoking in restaurants and pubs.
Everyone who has dropped in for a drink have their own stories of their experiences at Big Bad Johns. The place is a classic, as is the long-time bartender Gerry Lang who first worked for the Olson's as a pin-boy back when the Old Forge Cabaret was a bowling alley.
So what's the draw those who have never been there may ask? Perhaps the small space that makes up that bar makes it a more intimate place to share a drink and a chat with total strangers. Or perhaps it's the laid back 'party atmosphere' of Big Bad John's that makes one feel comfortable and accepted. Whatever it is – it sure works as people keep coming back. University students find it kitsch while the regulars get to meet up and drink with their friends or swap stories and sports scores with the bartender and waiters.
No matter what you call it, dive bar or a home away from home, Big Bad John's has survived where other bars have changed or closed. It is a success story that continues to attract old regulars and new customers and it has been a gold mine for the generations of Olson's that own it. No matter how much I've had to drink there over the years, I will always remember Gerry Lang's voice calling over the bar, "Gotta get you up, gotta get you outta here – hey, we're opened tomorrow." And I suspect, for many tomorrows to come.
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Wow, hey, you don't play TROMBONE, do you? If you do, what happens if you put a big old fire cracker in it during the "1812 Overture" Just wonderin'!<quoted text>There is no such thing within Christianity.
The title of this thread is pretty off, too. Obviously the SBC is not afraid to stand up for the Bible's repeated condemnations of all homosexual behavior.
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The Bible repeatedly says all sorts of things that no one pays attention to. That's the problem with Christianity. Christians pick and choose from a myriad of rules and regulations depending on what suits them.
Where in the Ten Commandments does it say anything about not being homosexual? If homosexuality was such a sin, why did God forget to add to the list of REAL offenses - like killing and coveting someone's wife?
I was born a hetrosexual Christian. I have not been able to wrap my mind around that religion since I was about 10 years old; and especially now when so many so-called Christians have removed Jesus Christ from their Bible. They base their beliefs and actions now on the word of God, not on the word of God as spoken through his Son, Jesus Christ.
That's why we have two books of the Bible. The first being a God that was vengeful and mean and hateful and would strike down anyone who crossed Him. The second book shows a God much more loving and accepting, as shown through the words and actions of Christ.
I have no respect for the religion of Christianity. It has been one of THE most brutal and murderous religions in the history of mankind. It allows its followers and leaders to become manipulative, greedy and too powerful for their own good. Throughout history, and even today, it encourages people to believe they must kills anyone who is perceived as a threat. Hence, we attack not only homosexuals, blacks, and Muslims....but entire nations around the world in the name of our Christian God.
Were it not for our Christian ancestors who murdered millions of Muslims during the Crusades, we might not be considered the scurge of the world as far as the Middle East is concerned these days. Some people remember what was done to THEIR people. Others conveniently forget what THEIR people did to others.
Christ is not evil, but the people who have twisted His teachings always have been and still are.
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Are you finished, loon?
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Most people who think that they are followers of Yeshua (Jeeezus), are actually followers of the teachings of Saul. This is so well understood by independent scholars that "christianity" is frequently referred to as "Saulianity".
Saul blatantly plagiarized Plato, the Stoic philosophers, and Philo of Alexandria, passing their teachings off as those of Yeshua.
Now if you are inclined to suggest that Plato, the Stoics and Philo were all prophets of the Father, then ....
I think it's just ignorance, and that is easily enough corrected.
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I think he's more in mind of a big, long, Roman candle.
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Weebles told me that DAVID MOORE got in trouble for putting a huge fire cracker in a trombone at some public event Apparently some people got hurt in the fracas. It is just one of his many antics that have gotten him into trouble, now he makes up names day and night.
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Where are the Governors tax returns from his time in Massachusets?
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Qwerty 2(two) 6(six) hes a riot
Almost seems smart but dont buy it
Not happy with Bibles or Christians, he snorts
and Angels and "m"ormons he blasts in retorts
Hell pick on your spelling and then he will curse
Implying youre stupid or something much worse
Proper nouns they escape him cant get them right
A beam or a mote known as holy book blight
Accusing others of thoughts self inflicted
Hes not smart? Not quite he's self addicted
He establishes fact with his words
Yet "it is clear," he's something to hide
Perhaps its found in what he'll abide
He stands up for the movement,
theres no sin he exclaims
Certainly not, what put Sodom in flames
Hes liberally pointed perhaps he likes gophers
But it is clear above all
That hes light in his loafers.
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You people seem to take a lot of pleasure in this
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Junkies, I managed my third straight day of morning running. The plan is to be up at 6am, running by 6:30am. Today, I hit snooze until 6:20am but was out on dem streets at 6:40. This week is no big deal; the goal is to just get up and go for seven straight days and run for 20-25 minutes. Next week I'll start worrying about time and distance.
I'm not getting any younger. Smarter? Sure. Even more _sexaayy_ than before? Of course. More eeeevil? Goes without saying. But younger? Nope. I had a gym membership for the past six years and averaged 1-2 trips a month, max. Now I'm dialing back to the ancestral form of cardio: wound a prey animal, chase it for miles and miles until it drops, then finish it off. Only without the prey animal part.
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How about y'all, Junkies? Are you getting in any kind of basic workout? Pushups and situps? Jogging? Eating smart? If you're in your mid- to late-thirties and forties and beyond, what are you doing to improve your health? I ask my fellow Children of the 80s: what are you doing to stave off the Grim Reaper for a few extra years?
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Skip to comments.Was John Kerry Duped?
Posted on 09/07/2004 7:47:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Writing in a February 26, 2004 National Review article, Ion Mihai Pacepa a former spy chief and a General in the former Soviet satellite of Romania indicates that the Vietnam-era antiwar movement got its spin from the Russian Kremlin.
He writes "I produced the very same vitriol Kerry repeated to the U.S. Congress almost word for word and planted it in leftist movements throughout Europe. KGB chairman Yuri Andropov managed our anti-Vietnam War operation. He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between American and European public opinion through our disinformation operations. Vietnam was, he once told me, "our most significant success."
(Excerpt) Read more at michnews.com ...
None of these facts, however, becalmed him. His book has a young man's brash, polemical tone. The Star-Spangled Mirror is a critique of moralism in America's foreign policy -- and, more than that, it is a critique of America's national character.
"Americans," he writes, "are inclined to see the world and foreign affairs in black and white." They celebrate their own form of government and denigrate all others, making them guilty of what he calls "ethnocentric accommodation -- everyone ought to be like us." As a result, America has committed the "fatal error" of "propagating democracy" and fallen prey to "the siren's song of promoting human rights," falsely assuming that our values and institutions are a good fit in the Third World. And, just as Americans exaggerate their own goodness, they exaggerate their enemies' badness. The Soviet Union wasn't nearly as imperialistic as American politicians warned, Kerry argues. "Seeing the Soviet Union as the aggressor in every instance, and the U.S. as only reacting defensively, relieves an American observer from the need to see any parallel between our use of military power in distant parts of the world, and the Soviet use of military power outside the Soviet Union," he writes. He further claims that "Third world Marxist movements were autonomous national movements" -- outside Moscow's orbit. The book culminates in a plea for a hardheaded, realist foreign policy that removes any pretense of U.S. moral superiority.
Despite its blunt arguments, The Star-Spangled Mirror received little attention. Foreign Affairs greeted it with a 90-word summation in its review section. But the work of Richard Kerry, who passed away in 2000, will soon experience posthumous reconsideration. It won't be because of the renewed relevance of his arguments (although his book does read like a contemporary brief against neoconservatism). It will be because his son is a leading candidate to run U.S. foreign policy.
According to the conventional telling of John Kerry's biography, largely told by Kerry himself, his foreign policy views were forged in the Mekong Delta. During his disillusioning four-month combat stint on a Navy Swift Boat, the limits of U.S. power were revealed to him. As Newsweek argued in a cover story last month, "Kerry's policy views, as well as his politics, were profoundly shaped by the war." But, for all the neatness this narrative provides, it overlooks an entire chapter in Kerry's intellectual history: his childhood. In fact, Kerry's foreign policy worldview, characterized by a steadfast belief in international institutions and a suspicion of U.S. hard power, had fallen into place long before he ever enlisted. As Kerry's biographer, the historian Douglas Brinkley, told me, "So much of his foreign policy worldview comes straight from Richard Kerry."
Richard Kerry's father, a Czech Jew, fled Europe. The son, by contrast, embraced it. As a law student at Harvard in the late '30s, he read continental philosophers like Kierkegaard and histories about Bismarck and Metternich; he traveled to France, where he took sculpture classes and met his wife. Hoping to parlay his love of Europe into a career, he chose international law as his law school specialty. After World War II, which he spent in the Army Air Corps testing new airplanes at high altitudes, he moved his family to Washington to take a spot in the Department of the Navy's Office of General Counsel, hoping that his proximity to the State Department might help him land a job there.
Two years into his Washington stint, Kerry's relocation paid off. The State Department's Bureau of United Nations Affairs hired him to help work through the thicket created by America's adherence to a new set of postwar international agreements. According to Brinkley, the cosmopolitan Kerry was a true believer in the United Nations and the postwar promise of global government.
But, as much as he believed in the United Nations, it was not his prime passion. A devoted Europeanist, Kerry was more preoccupied with the devastation of Europe and the monumental task of reconstructing it -- a romantic project that enticed a generation of young diplomats, including George Kennan and George Ball. The appeal of the task wasn't just the economic and physical rebuilding of the continent. Kerry and others like him viewed themselves as building a new political order for the continent, a new method for arranging international affairs that would consign war to the dustbin of history. In the early '50s, Kerry became an enthusiast for NATO and the nascent efforts at creating a unified Europe.
In 1954, Kerry received an assignment that put him at ground zero of the cold war. He moved to Berlin to advise former Harvard President James B. Conant, whom Dwight D. Eisenhower had charged with overseeing the rehabilitation of West Germany. Once again, Kerry's job consigned him primarily to lawyerly work. His chief task was to devise answers to the questions created by Berlin's confused status. Martha Mautner, a political officer who served with Kerry in Germany, told me, "There were so many questions about the status of Berlin that the lawyers had to handle. There were Four Powers [the United States, Britain, France, and the Soviet Union] running the city. What was its relationship to the Federal Republic?" But Kerry's interests extended far beyond these matters. During his tenure in Europe, he attended conferences in Paris, London, and The Hague, where he discussed with other mid-level diplomats the future of the transatlantic alliance and the possibilities of a new continental order. According to Brinkley, through these conferences, Kerry established relationships with a group of like-minded government officials, including the famed French planning commissioner (and intellectual architect of the European Union) Jean Monnet.
These conferences reinforced Kerry's belief that the preservation of the Atlantic alliance and the creation of a new Europe should be the overriding priorities of U.S. foreign policy. But the reality of U.S. policy was far different. For most of the Eisenhower administration, America's prime objective was containing communism. And, unlike the administration he served, Kerry believed that cooperation and diplomacy, rather than militarism, should resolve these tensions. In The Star-Spangled Mirror, he condemns the United States for "lecturing" European allies about the horrors of communism and accuses it of "bad manners" and "spoiled behavior." He writes, "At times we expected the allies unquestioningly to follow our leads; sometimes we failed to consult them in advance before reversing policies; at other times we ignored their requests."
Even at the time, Kerry wasn't quiet about his disagreement with the hard-line anti-communists. Although he had initially viewed Secretary of State John Foster Dulles as a kindred spirit and cultivated a relationship with him, Kerry felt uncomfortable with his rhetoric about "godless communism." (In his book, Kerry spends several pages arguing against Dulles's "intensely moralistic outlook.") According to Brinkley, Kerry bluntly told Dulles the shortcomings of his increasingly hawkish approach, undermining their relationship in the process. This was typical behavior for Kerry, who had a growing reputation for outspokenness. John Kerry's friend and former aide Jonathan Winer says, "[Richard Kerry] was a dissident in a time of conformity."
For all his impolitic instincts, Kerry's undeniable competence kept propelling his career forward. Following his posting in Berlin, he served as top aide to Georgia Democrat Walter George, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And, in 1958, he took what would be his highest posting in the Foreign Service, as Oslo's chief political officer, where he played a vital role in opening Norway to American spies and weapons. But his competence could get him only so far -- which is to say, it couldn't overcome his maverick reputation and win him a coveted ambassadorship. By the Kennedy administration, Brinkley says, Kerry sensed he had hit a ceiling in the Foreign Service. Kerry told his family, "They seem not to listen to what I have to say, so I'm going to quit." Brinkley adds, "He saw his role as becoming a protester, criticizing the government from the outside in lectures and his book."
Richard Kerry, whose own father committed suicide, was not a very effusive parent. When his twelve-year-old son John lay quarantined with scarlet fever at his Swiss boarding school, Richard Kerry didn't make the trip from Berlin to visit him. But there was at least one subject that fostered easy conversation between the two: foreign policy. "It allowed them to break through an emotional wall," says Brinkley. "They talked about foreign policy the way most fathers and sons talk about football." Well into his Senate career, John Kerry would phone his father to ask his opinion about international issues ranging from arms control to Central America. Watching the conversations, Winer says, "I saw two people talking about policy very seriously with unexpressed affection."
From the start, Richard Kerry turned his oldest son into his foreign policy protégé. As Newsweek's Evan Thomas has written, "The Kerry dinner table was a nightly foreign-policy seminar. While other boys were eating TV dinners in front of the tube, [John] Kerry was discussing George Kennan's doctrine of containment." His father introduced the adolescent boy to such luminaries as Monnet and West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer. Later, when he was at Yale, John Kerry traded letters with Clementine Churchill, Winston's wife.
As early as prep school, John Kerry showed signs that he shared his father's suspicions about America's cold war foreign policy. In a debate at St. Paul's in the late '50s, he argued that the United States should establish relations with Red China. During his junior year at Yale, he won a speech prize for an oration warning, "It is the specter of Western Imperialism that causes more fear among Africans and Asians than communism, and thus it is self-defeating." And, when he was tapped to deliver a graduation speech in 1966, he used the occasion to condemn U.S. involvement in Vietnam, intoning, "What was an excess of isolationism has become an excess of interventionism."
If Richard and John Kerry were not in perfect political sync, it was because the father, in an inversion of the usual dynamic, was more radical than the son. John Kerry, for instance, had grown enthusiastic about John F. Kennedy and his robust, anti-communist foreign policy. Indeed, it was his fervor for Kennedy's "bear any burden" call to service that largely inspired Kerry to join the Navy. Richard Kerry, by contrast, was more skeptical about New Frontier idealism. In a 1996 interview with The Boston Globe, he groused, "[John's] attitude was gung ho: had to show the flag. He was quite immature in that direction." When John Kerry came back from Vietnam, his father pushed him to be more outspoken in his opposition to the war. "When Kerry refused to speak out against the government [while in uniform], suddenly his father felt like he was being a wimp," says Brinkley. "[So he] encouraged his son to take off the uniform and to become a critic."
John Kerry, of course, did exactly this, first in Vietnam Veterans Against the War and eventually in the U.S. Senate. From the moment he arrived in Washington, Kerry promised that "issues of war and peace" would remain his passion. And, from the start, this meant that he would criticize Ronald Reagan's war against communism, especially when it was fought through proxies in the jungles of Central America. In 1985, he traveled to Nicaragua to meet with the Sandanista government, telling The Washington Post, "I see an enormous haughtiness in the United States trying to tell [the Sandinistas] what to do." Soon after his return, he pressured Congress into investigating the administration's illegal funding of the Contra rebels, opening a trail that culminated in the exposure of the arms-for-hostages deal with Iran. And, a few years later, in the late '80s, he repeated this success, launching an investigation that revealed that another of the administration's favorite anti-communists, the Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega, had been deeply enmeshed in drug-trafficking. Kerry was also skeptical enough of U.S. power that he voted against authorizing a popular intervention -- the Gulf war -- and opposed a 1995 resolution that would have allowed the arming of Bosnians.
There are differences, to be sure, between Richard and John Kerry. Over the course of his political career, John Kerry has occasionally endorsed the use of force, as in the cases of Panama and Kosovo, and he has always found a rhetorical place for morality in his foreign policy pronouncements. But, more often than not, even as John Kerry stumps for president, the similarities shine through. Last month, for example, Kerry charged that the administration's "high-handed treatment of our European allies, on everything from Iraq to the Kyoto climate-change treaty, has strained relations nearly to the breaking point." It should be no surprise to hear John Kerry worry about European allies and to strike such liberal internationalist notes. These ideas aren't just deeply felt; they're in his blood. ***
Franklin Foer is associate editor at TNR.
Kerry's World: Father Knows Best CBS News ^ | March 3, 2004 | Franklin Foer
Quid pro quo.
Kerry is currently duping nearly half of the U.S. electorate. :-p
Ronald Reagan has left us much and John Kerry will do his best to remove all the good Reagan accomplished.
former spy chief and a General in the former Soviet satellite of Romania indicates that the Vietnam-era antiwar movement got its spin from the Russian Kremlin.
>p> We knew this back in 1965. John skerry was NOT duped. He KNEW exactly who he was working for.
Why do I have more respect for a Soviet KGB agent who spent years undermining the U.S. than I do for John Kerry? At least he was loyal to his country.
The Soviet Union feed talking points to Kerry bump.
Did not know that about Kerry's dad. Like father like son, I suppose. So the communist movement in the Third World was in no way connected to the USSR, just like Saddam is in no way connected to Islamic terrorism, they just happen to share the common goal of turning the US into a smoking crater.
WOW!! Girl this is political dynomite.
I get so frustrated b/c we get all this terrific "news" here on Free Republic but how do we get the word to the average, honest, God-fearing, true-blue American voter who does not hear this on SeeBS or CNN (Communist News Network)?
It's both interesting and irritating that John Kerry's true approach to international issues can only be fully understood with an understanding of the views of his father. It's irritating because any attempt to bring out the father's views will be painted as 'going after the family,' but once the father's views are known, it becomes apparent that John Kerry views the best thing for America to be curtailing her power throughout the world, limiting her strength, and deferrence to the 'international community.' Roughly, Kerry views the best thing for America to be disarming her and making her a ward of the rest of the world-- which is his greatest disqualification for the office he seeks.
But it does very nicely explain his entire legislative record.
For SKERRY to have been duped as noted above . . .
he would have been more accurately described as being
He was evidently born duped.
. . . or durn near it.
The athiests, welfare mothers, condom throwers, Hollywood drunks, abortion enthusiasts, screeching feminists, and all the rest of the losers, weirdos and parasites who make up the base of the Democrat Party are never "duped." They know exactly what they want - - "free stuff", paid for by the tax-paying, traditional American families who make up the Republican base.
So Kerry was/is the Manchurian Candidate.
It's awfully hard not to draw a parallel.
You and I are on the same wave length this morning. I was just getting ready to post and say that this article should be entitled: "It's Easy to Dupe a Dope".
Well, actually he wasn't duped before he was duped. But, did you know that John Kerry was in Viet Nam?
"John Kerry is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life"
This is alluded to in Unfit For Command.
Question - Is there any firm evidence indicating JK going to Iron Curtain countries (a-la Bill Clinton)?
Well not quite half. And the Hollywood-Harvard axis is partner to Kerry in duping a portion of the American electorate and that axis believes that Kerry will betray the American electorate before he would betray them. Peaceniks believe that Kerry will pull out troops from Iraq and that his militaristic bluster is just "doing the post 9-11 dance" to get elected.
Now we know, being a traitor runs in the family. Communist sympathizers all the way. It's probably why Kerry supports muslim theocracy's as well, because they are more like communists.
NO! John Kerry was an active hater of the freedom of the democratic republic that is called the United States of America.
To suggest that he was "duped" is giving him "innoncence" in his crimes against the American military who were fighting for their own lives against the friends of john-john.
Not sure what you mean--what he was in Nam
. . . besides a vain glorious idiot endangering his shipmates and disgracing his country.
I mean, besides being a selfish arrogant idiot in Nam,
what was he?
This is what Kruschhev was talking about. They used the fledgling anti-war movement to indoctrinate future leaders of America. Clinton the Bubba didn't take too well, he was too busy nailing the bubushkas. Hillawitch was too wild and unpredictable although she has her uses. Kerry was ideal, a Kennedy Klone without the booze at a time when Kennedy was the American ideal, at least in Soviet minds.
They never will get to see it though, they never counted on Old Mr. Reagan, a Hollywood cowboy to bust up their act and now a Texas cowboy is going to do the same.
John F Kerry never met an American serviceman he wouldn't sell out to someone for money or other considerations...
John Kerry is NOT an American ...regardless of what his passport might say the contrary...
It appears the nut does not fall far from the tree.
When someone as anti-American as Kerry runs for president something is way out of kilter.
Not that I have found yet. But several members of the leadership went to Moscow, Hanoi and Paris.
Welp, brainwashing would explain the droning voice and memory that's seems to have blacked out everthing post-1969.
Was he duped? "I'm John Kerry...reporting for dupy."
." When John Kerry came back from Vietnam, his father pushed him to be more outspoken in his opposition to the war. "When Kerry refused to speak out against the government [while in uniform], suddenly his father felt like he was being a wimp," says Brinkley. "[So he] encouraged his son to take off the uniform and to become a critic." John Kerry, of course, did exactly this, first in Vietnam Veterans Against the War and eventually in the U.S. Senate.
BUMP - YOU'VE CONNECTED THE DOTS. Please advance to the next level.
Kerry was not a useful idiot. He was a collaborationist. Useful idiots don't compare Ho Chi Minh to George Washington.
They take duplicty for granted as one of their "rights", just as the Islamofascists can rationalize anything in thier "holy" causes.
Just let conservatives be suspected of using any of their tactics though...nothing throws them into a spoiled-brat-hissy-fit faster than defense of the double standard they visciously hold to.
Both articles ignore Kerry's antiwar statements before he went into the Navy, not counting the months spent in the delayed enlistment program, when one is technically in the Navy reserve as an E-1. Kerry was definitely his father's son on that. I suspect his desire to look like a later day JF Kennedy had more to do with his desire for political office than any conversation to the "bear any burden" school of thought. A school obviously not shared by JF Kennedy's two younger brothers, most especially the surviving one.
Duped and DOPED........I believe he's hitting Ter-ay-za's meds!
Let us recall the period: in the late 70s and early 80s, European streets were teeming with "peace" demonstrators protesting NATOs plans to site medium-range nuclear missiles in Europe. At the center of the campaign were European socialists and social democrats, many of them holding government office in their own countries or positions in the main opposition parties...
...All in all, Moscow gave away $400 million over twenty years, and that does not include other, indirect forms of financing (also clear in the documents). In that period the French Communist party received, by my calculations, no less than $44 million worth of "international solidarity," the CPUSA $35 million...
...NOT ALL the assistance Moscow provided to foreign Communists can be measured in dollars. Here before me is a handwritten request from Gus Hall, general secretary of the CPUSA, on behalf of Comrade James Jackson, a leading Marxist theoretician of the American party very keen to be awarded an honorary doctorate in the field of history. Surely this should not be too hard to arrange with Moscow State University? Why, of course not, comrades! As the accompanying memo from the International Department notes, not only would this serve "to raise [Jacksons] authority in democratic Negro circles," it would also "make it possible for him to secure a teaching post at New York University, where the party has lately been working actively." Looking for a job? It paid to have friends in the right places...
...After all, Western politicians and academics, Western intellectuals and churchmen, Western businessman and journalists encouraged relations with the Soviet bloc-that is to say, with cut-throats and the puppets of cut-throats. Some of them signed agreements for "cultural exchanges," "scientific cooperation," and "human contacts," knowing full well that the KGB would be choosing the candidates for such contacts, and that they were in fact buttressing its power over society. Others apologized for Soviet actions around the globe, or denied Soviet complicity in those actions, often by impugning anyone who tried to resist or thwart them. Many understood what was going on but, in thrall to the golden dream of socialism, remained silent, sacrificing conscience, reason, innocent people, and entire countries in the process.
While he was waking up excruciatingly slowly to having been duped all his life,
he was duped at least a dozen more times.
"ethnocentric accommodation -- everyone ought to be like us." = American Cultural Imperialism is what they call it today.
He writes "I produced the very same vitriol Kerry repeated to the U.S. Congress almost word for word and planted it in leftist movements throughout Europe. KGB chairman Yuri Andropov managed our anti-Vietnam War operation. He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between American and European public opinion through our disinformation operations. Vietnam was, he once told me, "our most significant success."
b&lLSHI& HE WAS REFUSED DEFERMENT AND ENLISTED IN THE NAVY.
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Atheist banner left out of Ellwood City Nativity displayDecember 3, 2011 10:00 AM
ELLWOOD CITY, Pa. -- As more than 1,000 people surrounded the Ellwood City Municipal Building to support its Jesus-and-Santa lawn display, Mayor Anthony Court said he wouldn't add a banner that says religion is "myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."
Mr. Court had invited the Freedom from Religion Foundation to contribute something to the borough's modified display after the Madison, Wis., group complained last year about a lone Nativity scene erected on the lawn for decades. The crowd had apparently heard false rumors that members of the atheist group were coming to attack the Nativity scene.
What the Freedom From Religion Foundation actually did was mail a banner that says, "At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds." It wants it placed among the creche, Santa, sleigh, reindeer, snowman, tree and Kwanzaa poster. A Hanukkah menorah is in a window overlooking them.
"I believe [the banner] violates the First Amendment. It's endorsing atheism," the mayor said. The creche "is a statue. It's not a doctrinal statement."
The secular symbols were added this year to comply with a 1985 Supreme Court ruling requiring any religious displays on public property to be accompanied by secular symbols.
Although his organization isn't involved, Witold Walczak, Pennsylvania legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the mayor is probably within his rights to reject the banner.
"If this is a government holiday display, they have fairly broad discretion in deciding what to include in the presentation," he said.
Laurie Annie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom from Religion Foundation, said she hadn't seen this year's modified display but considered her group's banner a necessary addition.
"The mayor invited us to put up our own display, and we are taking him up on it," she said. "We wrote this as a repudiation of the manger scene. The manger scene is a doctrinal statement. ... If you don't believe that baby is your lord and savior, according to Christian tradition and hymns sung at this time of year, then you are not saved."
Asked about Muslims who have defended Nativity displays out of reverence for Jesus, and about the Unitarian who wrote "It Came Upon a Midnight Clear," she responded that the creche could only be viewed as a Christian devotional object.
"Are you trying to tell me that someone could look at that and not think this is about Christianity? The national pastime is denial, but that is carrying denial a little too far, don't you think?" she said.
Ibrahim Hooper, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Washington, D.C., said he was just getting ready to send out his annual Christmastime editorial about what Christians and Muslims can find in common. The creche is consistent with the Quran, he said.
Although Muslims don't hold some Christian beliefs about Jesus, "In Islam, Jesus -- peace be upon him -- is revered as a prophet of God, equal to the prophet Muhammad," he said. "We believe in the virgin birth."
Although the pro-Nativity demonstrators with whom the Post-Gazette spoke hadn't seen the proposed banner, they said they had no objection to some symbol of secularism alongside the creche.
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Lone Pine, California 19.5 miles SE
Big Pine, California 23.99 miles N
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Independence Independence, California 93526 (map) | (760) 937-3150
Sites: 50 | Latest Rate: $10.00 | 1 Reviews
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Sep 2013 - $10.00
This is a small little maintained campground about 2 miles north of Independence. The electrical grid within the campground is in need of repair and has been turned off. A tribe member mentioned that they will need to raise funds in order to repair the electrical grid but does not know when that will happen. Almost all of the sites have water and 8 sites have sewer. The location of the water spigot and sewer are different at each location. There is a dump station to the right of the casino and is free if you stay in the campground. Otherwise it will cost $10. The outer loop road has recently been re-paved. The interior road is asphalt. Some sites are on packed gravel, others on loose dirt while others have a combination of both. All of the sites are not leveled, some more then others. The sites are not clearly marked. There is a camp host but we only saw her once during our 3 days there. The bathroom was not well maintained while we were there. There are 3 showers per gender. The campground does not have Wi-Fi but our Verizon air card and cell phone worked will here. There was very little noise from US-395. Within the travel plaza, there is a stand alone grille located to the left of the store. Ask the clerk for a menu. Within 24 mile radius you can visit Big Pine, Independence, Manazar, and Lone Pine. This campground is in a great location, too bad that it is not well maintained. Also note that the cost of fuel is the lowest we found traveling on US-395. Since there is no electricity, all sites now cost $10. Given the price and location, we would come back here again. - adsaxs
Onion Valley Rd Independence, California 93526 (map) | (760) 937-6070
Sites: 35 | Latest Rate: $16.00 | 2 Reviews
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Jul 2012 - $16.00
This is a forest service campground with few facilities. About half the sites have a great view of the Owens valley in direction of Lone Pine, half are closer to the creek and have shade. The Gray's Meadow (lower) campground is tiny but can accommodate trailers and has a few sites with shade and view. Verizon cell reception in both campgrounds is possible. I got 3G but no bars with just my phone making things very slow, with external antenna it's quite OK. - TvE
Jul 2007 - $16.00
This is a Forest Service campground with shaded sites near the creek and upper sites with a spectacular view of the Owens Valley. Most sites are small, but there are a few big enough for a 30 -- 40 ft. motor home - noyes10
Onion Valley Rd Independance, California 93526 (map) | (760) 873-5577
Sites: 15 | Latest Rate: $15.00 | 1 Reviews
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Oct 2013 - $15.00
We camped one night at this County Park. It is located on Market Street one mile west of town. Campground is on a lightly travelled highway and the sites are back-in and can accommodate up to 25' rigs. A stream runs through the park and a small bridge leads to the back half of the park where freestyle camping is available. Restroom consisted of a two seat vault toilet. Each site was tree lined and unpaved and overall this is a very small and quiet park. No host and an iron ranger is available. Sites are on the short side and I would not recommend any rigs larger than 25' even try to enter. Road is rough getting in and there is no turn around. We would camp here again. - Greggo
Aberdeen, California 93526 (map) | (760) 782-5000
Sites: 62 | Latest Rate: $5.00 | 1 Reviews
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Sep 2009 - $5.00
A BLM primitive campground a couple of miles west of Highway 395 and 13 miles south of Big Pine. Fill-up with water before coming here because there is no drinking water at the campground. There are no restrooms. Ideal dry camping boondocking with scenic views of the Sierras and White Mountains. The campground has many nearly leveled sites to accommodate the longer RV. Some sites have shade provided by a cottonwood tree and most have a table and barbeque grill. The campground road is paved and the camp sites are packed sand. While we were there the campground was nearly empty except for a long term RV camper and a campground care taker. It is best to camp away from the care taker who is some what odd and plays country western music very loud. For five dollars a night it's a great deal with a pleasant cold water creek and panoramic views. We will likely return again. - James Barr
Whitney Portal Rd Lone Pine, California 93545 (map) | (760) 873-2400
Sites: 42 | Latest Rate: $19.00 | 2 Reviews
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Sep 2014 - $19.00
CAUTION! The Reservations.gov site lists some sites can accommodate a 40' RV. There is even a Pull-Thru that we reserved that was long enough but had a 2' decline in 40'. The issue with this campground is the road and the rocks they placed next to it. It is extremely tight and you will be lucky to get through without damage. Don't tow anything and don't get here at night. Forest Service CC, clean and great for tents or small RV <30'. Stream to fish and miles of mountain trails. Next to Mt. Whitney in the Sierras. - Boxcar48
Jun 2013 - $20.00
This is a basic, Forest Service campground. Each site has a relatively flat, paved parking pad, a well kept picnic table, a bear box for food storage, a fire pit, and a BBQ. There is relatively little shade. (This wasn't a problem in early June, but it could be in July or August.) The sites were very spacious and well set up. Dogs are welcome, but be aware that there are rattlesnakes in the area. There are a number of bear proof garbage containers in the campground, and a recycling center for glass, plastic, and cans near the entrance. The best part of this campground is the excellent view of Mt. Whitney and the High Sierras. There is also a trail leading from the campground to Whitney Portal. We were absolutely enchanted by this little gem. We hope to be able to stay here again. - roadie gal
Tuttle Creek Rd Lone Pine, California 93545 (map) | (760) 873-5564
Sites: 20 | Latest Rate: $14.00 | 1 Reviews
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May 2016 - $14.00
Small CG straddling small stream from aqueduct under scattered tree canopy .8 mile easy walk to town. Vault toilet, threaded potable water point at toilet, some fire rings & picnic tables. Just outside Alabama Hills, great view of Mt Whitney & Sierra Nevada. On Tuttle Creek Road just off Whitney Portal Road. Camping stay is limited to 15-days at any one campground in any six-week period. A 30 day camping permit is available to people 55 years of age and older, or the disabled from Inyo County Parks and Recreation. Pets welcome on leash. - readontheroad
Whitney Portal Road Lone Pine, California 93545 (map) |
Sites: 100 | Latest Rate: $1.00 | 6 Reviews
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Oct 2016 - $1.00
This is BLM land with lots of area to camp in all kinds of units. The views are great and the mountains are beautiful. We were able to find a spot, in a 40' rig, where our ATT MIfi worked well. The area can get busy on weekends so the further out you camp the less activity. We found this to be a great place to unwind. - illini777
Oct 2016 - $1.00
Camping was free but this site requires you put a number in, hence the $1. Fantastic dry camping. Must take your time getting to most campsites as roads are dirt & can be a little rough. Our campsite had a fantastic view of Mt. Whitney out the front window. If you want views & lots of open space this is the place. Once camped any type car can get around the entire area on the numerous dirt roads.. Lots to see & do in the area. Had stayed once before & look forward to returning again. - Ketelhut
May 2015 - $1.00
Dry/dispersed camping at it's best! The views are excellent! Pick out a spot that has been previously camped at, and enjoy. The site of many old cowboy western films, plus one of my favorites......."Tremors"! To get to Alabama Hills,Take Whitney Portal Road at traffic light in Lone Pine, drive 2.5 miles to Movie Road, turn right, and when you get off of the pavement, start looking for a camping spot. We drove about 1.5 miles on Movie road, turned left at the "Y" for our camping spot. Movie road and some of side roads are dusty and bumpy, so use caution. - JJ & CC
Lone Pine, California 93545 (map) | (760) 872-5008
Sites: 83 | Latest Rate: $3.00 | 13 Reviews
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Nov 2016 - $3.00
Gorgeous location! The speed bumps (4) on the entrance road were so large that it may be a problem for some vehicles, but we managed OK. The pit toilets were as clean as possible, in good shape. Many of the sites are not level. Half the park was closed, probably to minimize maintenance since it was far from full. Picnic tables and fire pits were appreciated. No potable water available when we were there, and the dump station was closed; I believe both of those issues were related to the off-season. - SLOman
Oct 2016 - $10.00
This is a BLM park with a dump station, trash containers and potable water. The sites are various sizes with some fairly level and some not. The roads getting into the park are asphalt. Our ATT WIFI worked well from our site. We enjoyed great mountain views and sunsets from the campground. This area was not busy and very quiet. - illini777
Sep 2016 - $5.00
Tuttle Creek Campground is a beautiful, rustic campground set in the Alabama Hills at the foot of the Whitney Mountain Range of the Sierras. It is a bare-bones facility - no hookups of any kind - but the 360` views make it worth being disconnected for awhile. I think most if not all sites have picnic tables and fire pits, and all of them are extremely spacious.
I just changed some of the basic information about the park: I added that this park DOES have big rig access. We're currently camped here in a 43' motorhome with a tow car and dolly and we have plenty of room in our space. As we toured all the loops of the campground yesterday, we counted at least 6 other sites we could have comfortably fit into. However, leveling can be an issue... there are probably a dozen sites or more that are long enough for bigger rigs but not level enough to stay in comfortably, but finding one that meets all your needs is just a matter of driving around a bit.
According to the ranger who came through here yesterday, the campground is rarely full - even in peak season. But there are a lot of day / tent campers here and they often take up the biggest sites with the smallest equipment, so even at only 50% capacity there may not be any big sites left.
Once you're here you'll marvel at the views. The sunrises and sunsets can be spectacular, and a short drive down Whitney Portal Road takes you to Movie Flat Road from which you can access some of the most beautiful topography on earth... and TONS of boondocking options as well, though very few for larger rigs.
Tuttle Creek Campground is clean, quiet, extremely inexpensive and pretty easy to access. There is a paved one-lane road into the park and they have very tall, angled speed bumps, but go slow and everything will be just fine. - Wryly Blithe
5007 South Main Street, Lone Pine, California 93545 (map) | (760) 873-5577
Sites: 200 | Latest Rate: $14.00 | 13 Reviews
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May 2016 - $14.00
Diaz Lake was a stopover on our way south via US 395. This is a county park operated by Inyo County. No hook-ups. Popular lake. Lots of sites. Some sites in trees. We drove around the lake and had a spot overlooking the lake. Some wind came up. Was a good stopover spot. Probably busy on weekends. We were going to camp at a USFS site out of Lone Pine, but road construction sent us to Diaz Lake. - Al Z
Feb 2016 - $14.00
What a find! OK, if you only stay at 10 10 fancy resorts, this is not for you as it is totally dry camp owned by Inyo County. But if you want an easy access for all size RVs in a gorgeous setting, it is wonderful. Camping is on the opposite side from the road, so the lake is on one side and the snow covered Sierras on the other, including Mt. Whitney. Most sites have picnic tables and you pay at a self service kiosk when you enter (cash or credit). Another county park near Lone Pine is Portage Joe which could handle a few large rigs. NFS Lone Pine is at a higher altitude (probably great in the summer but much colder in February) and not recommended for mid - large RVs. Tuttle Creek (BLM) is closed in winter. - BandD
Feb 2015 - $10.00
This is a county operated park that is slowly getting better. All sites are dry and you take any site that is open. It's quiet here in February and the price is very reasonable for a waterfront site. This place is probably a zoo during the summer though! - SKP
2550 S. Highway U.S. 395 Lone Pine, California 93545 (map) | (760) 876-4243
Sites: 111 | Latest Rate: $39.00 | 174 Reviews
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Oct 2016 - $39.00
We stayed 3 nights to see some of the sights in the area. The park is right off HWY 395 several miles South of Lone Pine. HWY 395 is a 4 lane divided highway so getting into the park South bound requires crossing the North bound lanes. The interior roads are paved. Some tight turns and tree encroachment posed a challenge to maneuver larger RV's.
The sites are a mixture of back-ins and pull thrus. The parking pads are irt/sand. The P/T sites were long enough to say connected to a toad or wide enough to park 2 vehicles abreast. Sites had sufficient room for opening slides. Park built on a slope. This park didn't understand the simple concept of the importance of a flat, level site as the sites seemed to have a bi-directional pitch. The parking pad in our site had a swale so it was difficult to get level. Distance and sandy areas establish privacy between the sites. They have full hook ups - water, electricity (50/30/20 AMP), & sewer. But the surge protector revealed the LI & Neutral leads were reversed. The sewer connection was on the uphill side of the site and stood above ground making it difficult to establish a downhill flow. There was a small wooden outside table and a fire pits
There were quite a few trees scattered throughout the park so satellite reception would be dependent upon your site. The park brochure showed 12 cable channels but no mention of any broadcast channels. Didn't try to get any broadcast channels. The park provided WiFi was slow. It wouldn't load pages. It was password protected. Our Verizon WiFi hotspot worked well. Didn't try the NET10 phone so don't know about cell phone reception.
There was one designated fenced pet areas with a sandy surface located in middle of the park. There were bag dispensers and collection stations for waste in the fenced pet area. There was sufficient area to walk dogs along the park's roads.
We would probably stay here again if traveling through the area as there are not a lot of choices. - bsb814
Oct 2016 - $38.00
Simply put: The folks running this campground could not have been more helpful. Long story, short: we had a package which should have been delivered during our stay. It wasn't. They not only got the package but forwarded it on to us at no charge. Thanks again!
The park was clean and quiet with level spots for a 40' coach, and good working utilities. The dog park was huge so the dog had lots of exercise. - illini777
Oct 2016 - $38.00
We stayed here with a group. The staff was very helpful and went out of there way for us. Only reason not a 10, was pool closed.
Will be going back again. - wjminc