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LOL, Diane!
And don't forget requiring a background check (to see if you have ever used
hostas for illegal purposes) and a one month waiting period...
The background check might be a problem..If addiction is a reason to deny
sale, then we are all in trouble!
But seriously, I agree with the excellent points made by members of
hosta-open on the subject of registration. The AHS has the right to
restrict auctions and sales at the conventions any way they like. BUT,
these decisions should be made by majority vote of the membership, not by
the discussion and votes of a handful of people in charge or by those
members who are fortunate enough to be able to attend the Convention.
And what is the deal with this "Preferred Grower?" I'm a new member of the
AHS, so don't know the details. Are those businesses present on the list I
was sent in my new member package PG's? What are the criteria for inclusion
in this group? Who makes the decisions? And how does the AHS plan to
guarantee that if I use one of their PG's I will be getting a plant or deal
superior to those offered by smaller growers?
At 04:29 PM 8/1/99 -0400, you wrote:
>This is so true! It'll end up like a gun show. When was the last time an
>unregistered hosta killed someone??? Talk about the "shady deals"
>outside!!...And eventually we'll need spokepersons, and congressional
>lobbyists fighting for our rights as American Citizens, under the First
>Amendment - life (for all hostas), liberty (to purchase the hostas of
>our choice) and the persuit of happiness (hostas seem to make many of us
>very happy).
>Diane Frederick
>Cleveland, OH
>Ray W wrote:
>> This takes me back to my previous comment of- think of all the parking lot
>> transactions taking place at the next convention!!!
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>> >
>> > Remember that if non-registered hostas are outlawed, then only outlaws
>> > will have non-registered hostas.
>> >
>> Al Capone
>> aka Ray Wiegand z5
>> Mentor, Ohio
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An increasing number of Indian companies are now reaching out for overseas destinations in order to access high growth markets, technology and knowledge, boost their positioning in the value chain, attain economies of size and scale of operations, to tap global natural resource banks and leverage international brand names for their own brand building.
According to the latest UNCTAD's World Investment Report 2007 (WIR '07), India's outward foreign direct investment (FDI) was the second highest at US$ 20.4 billion after Brazil at US$ 28 billion. Significantly, while China's outward FDI rose by 32 per cent, to US$ 16 billion in 2006, India's outward FDI went up by almost four times.
According to a Reserve Bank of India's (RBI) report published in July 2008, India's total outbound investments in joint ventures and wholly owned subsidiaries (WOS) abroad grew by 53.2 per cent in financial year 2008, at US$ 23.07 billion, as against US$ 15.06 billion in the previous fiscal. The overall number of proposals during financial year 2008 has totalled to 2,261, with a growth of 24.4 per cent over the 1,817 proposals registered, and 53.2 per cent in amount of investment over the previous year.
FDI Outflows
Further, according to the RBI report, actual outward FDI during 2007–08 totalled US$ 17.43 million, a rise of 29.6 per cent over US$ 13.45 million, in the previous year. Of the total investments, 81.6 per cent were in the form of equity and the remaining 18.4 per cent in the form of loans. Almost 35 per cent of the proposals for outward FDI were directed towards Singapore, around 23 per cent to Netherlands, followed by British Virgin Islands with seven per cent. Equity accounted for 61.2 per cent of the proposals for investment, loans for 11.4 per cent, and guarantees for 27.4 per cent. During 2007-08, automatic route covered 99.6 per cent of the proposals, involving 96.4 per cent of the amount of investments. The remaining was through approval route. Inflows from India's outward FDI amounted to US$ 916 million in FY 2008, registering a 76.7 per cent growth over the previous year's figure of US$ 518 million.
Actual outward FDI during the quarter January-March, 2008 stood at US$ 7.32 million, which was higher by 63.4 per cent than the figure during previous year. Of the total investments, 70 per cent were in the form of equity and the remaining 30 per cent were loans. For the quarter ended March, 2008, Singapore, Mauritius, Cyprus and UAE together received 50 per cent of the outward proposals worth US$ 5 million or above, RBI said. During the year, almost 43 per cent of the proposals came from manufacturing, followed by non-financial services with 11 per cent, and trading with four per cent.
Mergers and Acquisitions
A significant part of Indian overseas investment has gone into acquisitions abroad.
In its latest report, Grant Thornton, a global consultancy firm, stated that "The total number of M&A deals during the first 11 months of 2008 stood at 433, with an announced value of US$ 31.95 billion. The number of outbound deals has far exceeded the domestic ones in terms of value break up. According to Grant Thornton's Special Advisory Services official, for the month of November alone, there were 26 M&A deals with a total announced value of US$ 3.40 billion, which is higher than October 2008 at US$ 2.13 billion and comparatively higher than November 2007 levels at US$ 850 million. Out of the 15 cross-border deals in November, eight were outbound wherein Indian companies acquired business abroad with a value of US$ 0.04 billion. The most important acquisition has been that of UK-based Axon Group by HCL Tech for about US$ 658 million.
Also, the total number of PE deals during January-November 2008 stood at 295, with a total announced value of US$ 10.11 billion. Further, as many as 21 PE transactions were confirmed during November with an announced value totalling US$ 449 million.
The overall deal value added up to US$ 26 billion till September 2008, and at more than US$ 11.8 billion, industries related to infrastructure carved out a major chunk of the mergers and acquisitions (M&As), accounting for 45 per cent of the deals. With 42 per cent of the deal value in the infrastructure sector, the power sector accounted for US$ 5 billion. It was followed by telecommunication sector with US$ 3.75 billion.
According to global audit and consultancy giant, KPMG, "With outbound deals now having outnumbered inbound deals for the each of the last three six-month periods, India seems well set to become a net 'deal exporter' in the next Emerging Markets International Acquisition Tracker (EMIAT) in 2009."
As per KPMG's EMIAT study, in an analysis of deals between developing and developed economies since 2003, it was revealed that there were 322 completed deals wherein Indian buyers had bought companies in the major developed economies. Against this, there were 340 concluded deals in which companies from developed countries acquired Indian companies.
The total number of M&A deals announced during August stood at 31, totalling US$ 4.63 billion apart from 43 deals valued at US$ 580 million during July 2008, according to the latest deal tracker report of advisory firm Grant Thornton. Among the top M&A deals during the month was ONGC's acquisition of Imperial Energy Plc followed by Infosys Technology's announcement to acquire UK-based Axon and CBay Systems deal for MedQuist.
In all, there were nine domestic deals where both the buyer and the target were Indian firms, with a committed value of US$ 80 million. Also, there were 22 cross-border M&A deals with a committed value of US$ 4.55 billion. Out of this, 17 were outbound deals worth US$ 4.48 billion involving Indian companies acquiring business overseas and five were inbound deals where multinational firms picked stake in domestic companies for US$ 80 million. During January-August 2008, the M&A deals thus totalled US$ 22.74 billion spread over 346 transactions. During the same period last year, India Inc had recorded 456 deals amounting to US$ 48.23 billion.
Further, India has outperformed China by a huge margin in merger and acquisition (M&A) deals. According to a survey on global M&A transactions by Ernst & Young, the value of deals for India stood at US$ 28 billion in 2007, as against US$ 2.3 billion deals in China. The Indian deals were dominated by Tata's acquisition of Corus and AV Birla Group's Novelis deal (both accounting for US$ 22 billion).
Major investments
India's foreign investments are testimony to the continued growth in the Indian economy and Indian companies.
Favourable Policy Changes
In a bid to give further impetus to overseas investments, the Reserve Bank of India has further liberalised overseas investment norms for both direct and portfolio investment with the following steps:
Looking Ahead
With more mergers and acquisitions, Indian companies would be getting direct access to new and more extensive markets, and new products and technologies, which would enable them to increase their existing customer base and market hold. This would otherwise take years to develop through the organic route.
In a bid to increase business and strengthen their global presence, more overseas investments by leading Indian firms are on the anvil.
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Today, budgets are on the minds of pupil transporters just as much as transporting students safely. It's no exception for the transportation team at the School District of Manatee County in Bradenton, Fla.
"The No. 2 item on our school district's budget is the cost of fuel, so that has a large influence on what we purchase and how we operate it," Director of Vehicle Maintenance Don Ross says of purchasing new school buses.
With the district's most recent bus purchases, a combination of their fuel economy, providing training to help the drivers efficiently operate the buses, and route reorganization have saved the district about $400,000.
Veteran in vehicle management, maintenance
Ross has worked at the School District of Manatee County for 14 years. He was hired as the shop manager, where he oversaw all of the technicians, and he was then promoted to supervisor. For the last seven years, he's served as the director of vehicle maintenance.
Ross' career has long involved vehicles and heavy equipment. He has heavy equipment certification as a journeyman mechanic, and prior to joining the School District of Manatee County he worked in Michigan for a Fortune 500 company.
"I started as a manager and moved up to area manager, overseeing 14 locations across the U.S.," Ross explains. "I was in charge of all of their mobile heavy equipment from all over the world."
Craving a warmer climate, Ross relocated from Michigan to Florida after 17 years with the company.
He says when the opening became available at the School District of Manatee County, he applied because "it looked to be a very challenging and rewarding career."
Communication is a top priority
Ross' technicians maintain 217 school buses, and the bus drivers transport 15,500 students safely to and from approximately 60 schools. Ross says communication among the 290 staff members in the transportation department has been essential to this, and it also enables everyone to do their jobs in a cost-effective manner.
For example, Ross has worked with the technicians to help them understand that even though it's hot during the summer months, they can't perform tasks like seat repairs with the bus' air conditioner on because it burns fuel, which necessitates more frequent oil changes and, ultimately, additional costs.
The maintenance team also tracks its service with the help of a 12x12 dashboard that's hanging in the shop. Ross says the board displays the status of all the school buses, and when a driver calls in a problem from the road, a light begins to blink on the board and a clock starts to monitor the response time.
The techs are trained to get a spare bus to the driver's location, and once students are transferred to the operable bus, the clock stops.
"When the [malfunctioning] bus comes into the shop, we have a team that reviews the situation: why the bus broke down, when was it last in the shop, what was the problem and what was the resolution, and what can we do to keep this from happening again," Ross explains. "We do that with all of our road calls."
Fuel-efficient buses promise cost savings
All of the buses in the school district's fleet are diesel-powered, and they are all equipped with video surveillance cameras, seat belts and air conditioning.
Forty-eight of the buses are Thomas Built Buses Saf-T-Liner C2 units with SCR technology. The district is in its second year of running these buses, which replaced older rear-engine (RE) Thomas Built units.
"The C2s came in, and we compared them to our older buses, the REs, which were getting 5 to 5.5 miles per gallon," Ross says. "When the C2s first hit the road, we were averaging 7 to 7.75 miles per gallon. Now, with some additional driver training and route reconstruction, we have some of the C2s averaging about 10 miles per gallon. Our anticipation of fuel recovery from the new buses is just shy of $250,000."
More training for drivers
Ross says the C2s come with standards that the team had to take time to understand, and that the drivers had to be trained on.
"On some of our older buses, we had to accelerate 100% in order to get them going," he explains. "With the new C2s' quicker acceleration response, the drivers can feather the accelerator rather than push it into the floor. Along with that, there's an 'economy' button that allows the driver to save fuel another way. If the economy button is engaged, that means that they drive normally and it limits the amount of RPMs between shifts.
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In another effort to save fuel and reduce costs, last year, the transportation team at Manatee County tracked how many buses the drivers were idling for more than 10 minutes in a given day.
"We had over 250 items that were registered over 10 minutes, so we had training with our drivers, and our goal was to reduce idling by 50%," Ross says. "That 50% equals about $150,000."
Three-prong partnership
Ross says that the School District of Manatee County's transportation department has a good working relationship with Thomas Built Buses and Thomas' dealer in Orlando, Fla. — Matthews Buses Inc. — which has benefitted the district.
When the district was considering which buses to purchase two years ago, staff members traveled to the Thomas plant where the C2s are built and spoke with the engineers and met the staff.
"We also talked to some of the customers who had purchased the buses in prior years, and everyone was very positive," Ross says. "That played a large part in our decision making, along with the potential of saving fuel."
As part of the agreement in purchasing the 48 Saf-T-Liner C2s, there's a technician from the dealership who's certified to work on Thomas Built units, and who is stationed at the school district's shop.
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07.13.12 - 07.14.12 Musique Electronique @ Fete de Marquette
Joint Effort, Prognition and Madison Music Review are proud to present
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A 2 day festival celebrating electronic music in conjunction with the La Fete de Marquette festival in Madison. Performers include house music legends Mark Farina and Paul Johnson plus many more! Check the line-up below for a full listing of shows during the 2 days.
July 13th and 14th
Corner of S. Dickenson and E. Washington
Madison WI
After Parties to follow nightly at High Noon Saloon and Plan B
Friday July 13th
Mark Farina World tour
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8:45pm - 9:45pm Teaser set at the Fete de Marquette festival grounds
Special 3 hour extended set from Mark at High Noon Saloon with special guest DJ Elle!
18 + | $15 ($2 surcharge if under 21) | Doors open at 9pm
High Noon Saloon
701a E. Washington Ave Madison, WI
Saturday, July 14th
Legendary Chicago House producer
Paul Johnson
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Hometown favorite
Nick Nice 6:45pm - at the Fete fest grounds
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Paul Johnson (special extended st)
Vinnie Toma (of the Dirty Disco Kidz)
DJ Urbane (93.1 JAMZ)
18+ | $5 | Doors @ 10pm
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924 Williamson St Madison, WI
In support of La Fete de Marquette's commitment to the Wil-Mar Neighborhood Center, all profits from Musique Electronique at La Fete de Marquette will be donated to the Wil-Mar Neighborhood Center.
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Friday, March 4, 2011
To Dress a Cat-- God vs. Dawkins Et Al.
By Frank Schaeffer
The "debate" about God is hopeless, as unsatisfying as trying to dress a cat. When religious people and/or atheists talk about God and/or pit science against God they are expressing their psychological need for certainty, not indulging in anything that could be described as an intellectual debate.
They aren't talking about God (if any) but rather referring to the "God" of the Bible (or other religious books), as opposed to whatever might really be out there -- or not.
The discussion isn't about God but about what the "Bible says" (or the Koran or whatever else says) about one conception of God. And that may or may not be about God since there is no reason to take anything any religious book "says" seriously, let alone literally -- unless it corresponds to some deeper truth we've experienced ourselves about how to treat others.
I come from an evangelical background. (I describe why I quit that background and the the right wing politics of my youth in my book Sex, Mom, and God: How the Bible's Strange Take on Sex Led to Crazy Politics -- and How I Learned to Love Women (and Jesus) Anyway.) So given my background I'll stick to a look at the Christian attitude to the scriptures here.
The Bible "Says..."
Most Christians who say they "believe in God" really mean they believe in the Bible. As I describe in my book Sex, Mom and God that is how it was in my family. Most believers' starting point (say my religious leader father's starting point) is a book and a belief in something called revelation in that book -- in other words in magic -- not a belief in the person or persons or force or forces that we/they mean when they use the word "God."
The so-called New Atheists do the same thing evangelical Christians, like my parents, did. For the New Atheists it's also all about a book and/or dumb people's dumb actions, not God. They say they are debating about God but really are only attacking religion and religious books -- say the Bible or the Koran -- and/or that actions of people taken in the name of those books, and think they have successfully attacked the idea of the existence of God.
Is There An Alternative to the Circular Atheist vs. Religion "Debate"?
Maybe the best thing a believer in God can do is to declare that a lot of the Bible is hate-filled blasphemy -- against any actual God.
Maybe the best thing an atheist can do is admit that the question of God has nothing to do with religion, let alone with the actions of religious people.
This possibility undermines most "arguments" for atheism made by most "professional atheists." It also renders all theology, let alone doctrine, irrelevant.
The books written by New Atheists like Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris attack God by attacking religion. But that's not an argument that even begins to address the question of God or some other outside power's meddling in the formation of the universe, let alone first causes in cosmology pre-Big Bang.
Conversely the "arguments" put forth by evangelicals and others take the Bible as a starting point which makes everything they say as irrelevant as that book is.
The New Atheists' arguments make sense only as attacks on religion while the evangelicals' "defense" of God makes sense only as a defense of the Bible.
When it comes to the atheists' attack on religion, there's plenty to attack. But who says religion as practiced today, let alone as "revealed" in so called holy books, has anything to do with any actual Creator, Force or Final Reality outside of the cosmos?
When it comes to all the little questions like evolution and morals etc -- and I mean "little questions" in the sense that these are fluid details of our existence not THE question of origins and cosmology -- almost everyone is battling over a silly book or silly people's actions, not over God. And/or they are battling over what has been done in the name of religion or the name of secularity, not over any actual God.
Is Stalin an "Argument" Against Atheism?
What the Bible "says" about creation, or the fact that Christians went on crusades or that Stalin was horribly evil etc., means nothing when it comes to the actual existence or non-existence of God. That the Bible is stupid in places proves nothing about belief in God. That Stalin (an avowed atheist) was a monster proves nothing about atheism's truth or non-truth.
All the atheist vs. God charges and counter charges prove is that humans are dumb and evil and follow self-evidently stupid books and leaders. All any of this "discussion" proves is that there has been no moral evolution of humans that we can see. There are no good guys or bad guys, there's just us.
The Only Two God "Issues"
There are only two questions that actually mean anything related to God: the quest for meaning and the quest for love.
It is our human need that points to something "outside" and transcendent, not a book or a theory.
If there is a God then what we believe -- or not -- about Him, Her or It, is neither here nor there. Even less relevant is our sincerity. The same goes for science. All science is, is the naming and describing of what is there. Reality was doing fine before it was named or described.
Faith and/or Atheism is a Psychological Need
For whatever reasons humans seem to have a need that makes us confuse our ability to describe what we see or interpret -- as we believe this or that about what is outside of us -- with the actual reality of what is out there. But whatever reality is is that way without our help.
Non-Rational Is Rational
If there is a God then belief in that God will be non-rational because whatever that God is, is by definition, outside of the cosmos and therefore outside of anything or anyone in the cosmos and their/our ability to describe it.
"Non-rational" isn't the same as irrational. (This point has often been made well by writer Chris Hedges.) The only irrational thing we can say about God is that we can describe Him, Her, or It and/or say that there is no God.
It is irrational because we're making statements about what is outside of the cosmos as if we can or could know anything about that.
In that sense all religion is irrational and so is all atheism. Both begin and end with a false claim of certainty. (This point is well argued in a forthcoming book by Vincent Bugliosi, Divinity of Doubt.)
Can We "Know" God?
If there is a God our best road to that indescribable THING, PERSON or FORCE is through our daily non-rational experience of life, not through our ideas about that life.
The actual experience of love and beauty, longing for meaning and empathy can't be described or pinned down. These are non-rational, but not unreal, feelings.
Brain chemistry can name the chemicals that give us those feelings but that doesn't mean we understand why we have any feelings at all and don't merely exist in ignorant mute contentment and free from memory, greif and poignant nostalgia.
The whole "debate" between faith and reason misses the point because it is really a debate between the track record of what religious believers have done in the name of stupid religions (i.e., slavery) and what science has done in the name of stupid certainties (i.e., eugenics).
This argument is an irrational debate driven by our psychological need for certainties that can't ever be attained. It is a debate about human behavior (and books written by humans), but not about God.
Whatever is outside our cosmos is outside our understanding and doing fine -- or not -- with or without us. On the other hand I love my children and grandchildren beyond description. I am moved by music, art, film and literature. I have empathy for strangers. So do you.
And none of that means any less because these things are experienced more deeply than they can be rationally described. They are non-rational but not stupid.
And that is where -- in my opinion -- religious liturgy has a place: It helps us express the inexpressible. It is not about "correct" belief but about humanizing experience that "teaches" by doing. It also provides community.
As for my specific experience of religious community it happens these days in the liturgical context of the Greek Orthodox church my wife and I attend. To me that is not "the" path but a path where I may encounter both community and a liturgical experience that comforts an unanswerable longing.
As for the place of the person of Jesus in my experiential life some of his words or the words of whomever said them and attributed them to Jesus, reflect what I think is the best articulated truth of what makes sense to live by as a human: blessed are the peacemakers.
Love and meaning are intertwined, and the fact that love and meaning are beyond our descriptions gives me hope that there may actually be a larger reality that, for lack of a better term, we call God.
Frank Schaeffer is a writer. His new book (in stores May 7) is Sex, Mom, and God: How the Bible's Strange Take on Sex Led to Crazy Politics--and How I Learned to Love Women (and Jesus) Anyway.
9 comments:
- Ex-Crusader said...
Wow. Thanks. That post is helpful to me as a non-believer who simply cannot take biblical texts seriously (as objective truth). I appreciate your candor. I haven't read the angry responses yet. Will do when I get a chance. Two thoughts, though.
You say, "In that sense all religion is irrational and so is all atheism. Both begin and end with a false claim of certainty."
Most atheists I know are absolutely uncertain about some kind of nebulous god or unknown force. They just do not believe in any gods that have have been posited via various religions in the past. And they have very solid reasons for this.
The other issue is the very loaded term, "god." In America it is almost impossible to use the word "god" without implying the god of the bible. I do think most atheists are pretty darn sure that the god of the bible is fiction. Nor would they worship that god even if he were real because of the sadistic and crazy actions of his described in the bible.
When you use "god" to describe seemingly other-worldly feelings of love and community, you are bound to get a reaction just because the term is loaded.
Many of us out here are concerned with truth first. I was misled into thinking the god of the bible and Jesus were "truth." That truth did not stand up to hard questions and further investigation. So it is very hard to accept any of it as truth now. Thanks for your post.
- March 4, 2011 at 4:50 AM
- Ex-Crusader said...
Frank: Is that link the correct one? It's not to the post or comments about the post above. I don't see many angry atheists via this link...
- March 4, 2011 at 5:11 AM
- Frank Schaeffer said...
Hi Ex-Crusader: thanks so much for reading the post. I'll check the link again. I take your point I guess the better way of putting it is that I don't believe any human is in the position to make sweeping claims (including this one!)because our track record is one of a learning curve but without any sign of moral progress. And since we are only at the start of our evolution, barely that, the whole field of cosmology, let alone religion is nothing to do with truth or fact but need. My point is also that this isn't the problem of religion only but humanity including atheists dedicated to truth. There is something touchingly pathetic in the grandstanding that people like Dawkins do in their books and I would not call it any closer to truth (whatever that is) than the grandstanding done by evangelicals. It's the hubris of people with little brains (that's all of us by the way) in a big universe that is the only real thing going on here. The ideas are incidental to the towering pretensions. And it is a trap, one we -- I -- suffer from, as this little post shows... as I am making more sweeping statements here!
- March 4, 2011 at 5:48 AM
- Morrison said...
So Dawkins is doing pathetic "grandstanding" in his books?
Well, thank God you don't do any GRANDSTANDING.
I can' wait to read you next book and read more about how mean mama was to you.
Poor boy.
- March 5, 2011 at 1:11 AM
- Frank Schaeffer said...
Hi Morrison, at least I don't sell T-shirts, but thanks anyway, If you want an atheist to follow try D Dennett, he's smarter than Dawkins and not a flake. Best, Frank
- March 5, 2011 at 5:14 AM
- Brother Nelson said...
This is easily one of the best blog posts you have ever written, no matter the topic.
You do great job of critiquing the merits and exposing the meaninglessness of the debate itself without having to defend either position. Brilliant!
As a follower of Jesus, I am finding myself becoming more and more atheistic towards specific "versions" of Christianity - fundamentalism, for one example - and I find it very freeing to my soul and spirit. I can literally feel the weight of the shackles fall off of me when I say, "I do not believe in that Jesus."
I am looking forward to this season of Lent precisely for the reasons you stated above:
"religious liturgy has a place: It helps us express the inexpressible. It is not about "correct" belief but about humanizing experience that "teaches" by doing. It also provides community. "
"Love and meaning are intertwined, and the fact that love and meaning are beyond our descriptions gives me hope that there may actually be a larger reality that, for lack of a better term, we call God."
"blessed are the peacemakers."
Well said, Frank.
Brother Nelson
- March 5, 2011 at 5:16 AM
- Ex-Crusader said...
@Frank: I know Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris drive you nuts but do you at all think they have a place in the discussion? What I mean is, do you think that their polar-opposite (to the fundamentalists) point of view makes for a broader discussion? Since the fundies have such a visible platform and pretty universal acceptance (in the U.S.) I have found the extreme arguments for the other side helpful in getting people to think.
Sometimes confrontation with the extreme has a way of jarring people's comfort zone thinking and gets them to sift through information they otherwise wouldn't have. By seeing both extremes, some of us can make our way to a middle-ground, eventually. At least, that's how I see it.
I can't help but appreciate Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris and Dennett. Having been mired in the evangelical, fundamentalist world and having found it a miserable place--their arguments were a breath of fresh air. They were a lifeline toward truth--even if they aren't the exclusive keepers of the truth.
- March 5, 2011 at 11:26 AM
- Dutch001 said...
Atheist Logic:
1. Snotty invective is proof.
2. Merely labeling something a fallacy (e.g. Argument from Design) makes it a fallacy.
3. Alternative explanations are proof. For example, Biblical accounts could be made up, therefore they cannot be real.
4. The argument from authority is worthless if it comes from Augustine of the Bible. But it is infallible if it comes from Voltaire or Bertrand Russell.
5. Intellectual believers of the past (Newton, Pascal) were merely parroting the intellectual prejudices of the time and can be disregarded. Modern atheists are not merely parroting cultural prejudices and have to be taken seriously.
6. Merely feeling something is proof. For example, not needing to believe in God personally is proof that God doesn't exist.
7. There are no moral absolutes. Except abortion or gay rights. Asking for proof is gauche (see 6.) and will get you a storm of (1.) I've actually done the experiment.
- March 7, 2011 at 5:09 AM
- Jeff Elvis said...
Wow.... that really hits me where I live! Please keep on writing Frank!
- March 12, 2011 at 8:46 AM


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Sage XP 908-4
I just bought it for by bonefishing trip this spring. It is super fast but has a smooth flex pattern. For wading the flats it rocks. It is very accurate to. The only problem is that when you get over 50 feet out you feel the thin butt section but can get you to 50 ft in two false cast from the fly in you hand.
RE:Sage XP 908-4
Sounds like a good choice, it's that last sentence that made all the difference in my own adventures in warm climes.
Btw - what Nate points out is the same thing that counts on the Monomoy flats when the migration is done and it's a resident show. You can't see past that distance, and you need to get the fly ahead and down in the column before the fish sees the fly.
I've only cast the lighter weight XP's but talk about a rocket... the 4 and 5 weights cast like 7 or 8 weight rods. Great choice for stillwater or big western streams.
What often bugs me about a rod when aerializing long lines (as you say over 50 feet) is when the operative "heart" (again one of my obscure metaphors http://www.flyfishingforum.com/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif ) collapses under the load. Some rods that cast well with shorter lines feel like the recoil or "jump" coming off the rod lessens. At least for my casting style (results may vary) the butt starts and must supports the cast but the operative part of the rod blank is the part that is carried loaded up to the release point. Softening the upper section of that section makes some rods throw tight loops easier under relaxed casting conditions but if too "sweet" they can not handle the extra modulus needed to throw long lines. Once again this could all be my own casting stroke but for me that is the case.
Related note - the quick draw cast during sight fishing is also a function of what I call the "slipping and gripping" technique on both sides of the cast, in addition to the rod's action. The more expediently you can elongate the working length of line, the less false casting you need. I don't know if you will be able to get away with it but a slipping roll cast also gets the line out faster and might cut the false casts to one. This is the case with the two-handed overhand cast.
Hope you have a blast, take lots of pics!
RE:Sage XP 908-4
Good points. The XP is a very different rod then the RPLXI. The RPLXI has a progressive action where the tip is only moderately fast but the butt section is super stiff. With 20 feet of line out the rod is only loading 1/2 way down the blank. The XP is stiffer here and can shoot out more line then the RPLXI. With forty feet of line out thought this is the RPLXI's sweet spot and you can shoot that forth feet of line out. The XP has a thiner butt section and can only shoot say 25 feet of line. Basicly with one false cast I can cast the XP farther but with two false casts I can shoot the RPLXI farther. I casted the Horizon and it seems to be a progressive taper too but faster then the RPLXI
RE:Sage XP 908-4
Reading this makes me realize I haven't been casting enough rods lately...
There's got to be a hall we can rent for the winter cast-a-thon...
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Please and for NVIDIA Denver Project ( ARM for PC )
Windows 8: Release date & What is in store http://morldtechgossips.blogspot.com/2011/09/windows-8-to-be-released-in-late-2012.html
could this windows 8 load on a hp touchpad?
hmmm, sexy. On This is my Next have pictures of this hot-road plus the pictures of the nVidia and TI prototypes (plus w8 running on two AMD Fusion tablets) I'm really excited with all of this new portable hardwares, so many possibilities
Windows 8 has slayed me. I'm not alive. "Nothing" is writing at the moment.
All joking aside, Windows 8 looks like a true gem. Especially with the Eco system and interface.
I love how Microsoft has (if I may say) spread their legs so wide that developers can choose almost ANY popular language to write their apps in.
No-No: The ARM pad is lagging like there's no tomorrow. Don't even think about trying to release a pad with a millisecond of lag on it, you'll get all the backlash in the world.
@electrookosh: that's because the alleged "ARM version" seems to be a remote desktop into the x86 version. That's the reason why the camera zooms in when they interact with it and when the camera zooms out, the x86 version is magically on the same screen as the ARM version. Tune in next week to see Microsoft make the Statue of Liberty disappear .
Regardless of all that, MS simply GETS IT. No one else seems to understand that a tablet *should* also be a PC. (well I guess Motorola Atrix did but rather than execute they simply gave a dumb terminal into the phone). I am writing this post on a windows 8 PC and I have no reason to look back. Well done Microsoft!
Windows 8 is very cool!
However, that ARM tablet is laggy. This can be forgiven for a dev preview but unless the ARM hardware provides a buttery smooth experience, it won't compete with existing mobile OS based tablets. If the arm tablet feels like an underpowered netbook, it will fail.
is samsung tablet will be the official microsoft tablet for windows 8 ?
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Generic Name: sargramostim (sar GRA moe stim)
Brand Name: Leukine
What is sargramostim?
Sargramostim is a man-made form of a protein that stimulates the growth of white blood cells in your body. White blood cells help your body fight against infection.
Sargramostim is used to increase white blood cells and help prevent serious infection in conditions such as leukemia, bone marrow transplant, and pre-chemotherapy blood cell collection. Sargramostim is for use in adults who are at least 55 years old.
Sargramostim may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide.
What is the most important information I should know about sargramostim?
You should not use this medication if you are allergic to sargramostim or to yeast. Sargramostim should not be used within 24 hours before or after you receive chemotherapy or radiation.
Before you receive sargramostim, tell your doctor if you have fluid retention (especially around your lungs), heart disease, high blood pressure, congestive heart failure, bone marrow cancer, a seizure disorder, liver or kidney disease, or a breathing disorder such as COPD or asthma.
Tell your caregiver right away if you feel dizzy, nauseated, light-headed, short of breath, or have a fast heartbeat, chest tightness, or trouble breathing when you inject this medication.
Call your doctor at once if you have any other serious side effects such as fever, chills, sore throat, flu symptoms, mouth sores, easy bruising or bleeding, and swelling or rapid weight gain.
Using sargramostim may increase your risk of developing other cancers. Ask your doctor about your individual risk.
What should I discuss with my healthcare provider before using sargramostim?
You should not use this medication if you are allergic to sargramostim or to yeast. Sargramostim should not be used within 24 hours before or after you receive chemotherapy or radiation.
To make sure you can safely use sargramostim, tell your doctor if you have any of these other conditions:
fluid retention;
a buildup of fluid around your lungs (also called pleural effusion);
bone marrow cancer;
heart disease, high blood pressure; congestive heart failure;
epilepsy or other seizure disorder;
liver or kidney disease; or
asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), or other breathing problems.
Using sargramostim may increase your risk of developing other cancers. Ask your doctor about your individual risk.
FDA pregnancy category C. It is not known whether sargramostim will harm an unborn baby. Tell your doctor if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant while using this medication.
It is not known whether sargramostim passes into breast milk or if it could harm a nursing baby. Do not use this medication without telling your doctor if you are breast-feeding a baby.
How should I use sargramostim?
Use exactly as prescribed by your doctor. Do not use in larger or smaller amounts or for longer than recommended. Follow the directions on your prescription label.
Sargramostim should not be used within 24 hours before or after you receive chemotherapy or radiation.
This medication comes with patient instructions for safe and effective use. Follow these directions carefully. Ask your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions.
Sargramostim is injected into a vein or under the skin. You may be shown how to use injections at home. Do not self-inject this medicine if you do not fully understand how to give the injection and properly dispose of used needles, syringes, IV tubing, and other items used to inject the medicine.
When injected into a vein, sargramostim must be given slowly. The IV infusion can take up to 24 hours to complete.
Use a different place on your stomach, thigh, or upper arm each time you give the injection under the skin. Just before you give the injection, apply an ice pack to the skin for one minute. Your care provider will show you the best places on your body to inject the medication. Do not inject into the same place two times in a row.
Sargramostim powder must be mixed with a liquid (diluent) before using it. If you are using the injections at home, be sure you understand how to properly mix and store the medication.
Do not shake the mixed medicine or it may foam. Do not use the medication if it has changed colors or has particles in it. Call your doctor for a new prescription.
To be sure this medication is helping your condition, your blood may need to be tested often. This will help your doctor determine how long to treat you with sargramostim. Your liver function will also need to be tested. Visit your doctor regularly.
Store the liquid medicine in the refrigerator, do not freeze. Protect from light. You may take the medicine out and allow it to reach room temperature before measuring your dose in a syringe. Then return the medicine to the refrigerator. Throw away any unused liquid after 20 days.
After mixing sargramostim powder with a diluent, store in the refrigerator and use it within 6 hours. Do not freeze. Protect from light. If you have mixed the powder with bacteriostatic water, you may store this mixture in the refrigerator for up to 20 days.
What happens if I miss a dose?
Call your doctor for instructions if you miss a dose of sargramostim.
What happens if I overdose?
Seek emergency medical attention or call the Poison Help line at 1-800-222-1222.
Overdose symptoms may include nausea, weakness, headache, fever, chills, skin rash, fast heart rate, or trouble breathing.
What should I avoid while using sargramostim?
Follow your doctor's instructions about any restrictions on food, beverages, or activity.
Sargramostim side effects
Some people receiving a sargramostim injection have had a reaction to the infusion (when the medicine is injected into the vein). Tell your caregiver right away if you feel dizzy, nauseated, light-headed, short of breath, or have a fast heartbeat, chest tightness, or trouble breathing during the injection.
Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.
Call your doctor at once if you have a serious side effect such as:
high fever, chills, sore throat, stuffy nose, flu symptoms;
white patches or sores inside your mouth or on your lips;
easy bruising, unusual bleeding (nose, mouth, vagina, or rectum), purple or red pinpoint spots under your skin;
swelling, rapid weight gain;
chest pain, fast or uneven heart rate;
weakness or fainting;
black, bloody, or tarry stools;
coughing up blood or vomit that looks like coffee grounds;
painful or difficult urination;
dark urine, clay-colored stools, jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes);
breathing problems; or
problems with vision, speech, balance, or memory.
Less serious side effects may include:
nausea, stomach pain, vomiting, diarrhea, loss of appetite;
tired feeling;
hair loss;
weight loss;
mild skin rash or itching;
bone pain;
joint or muscle pain; or
redness, swelling, or irritation where the injection was given.
This is not a complete list of side effects and others may occur. Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects. You may report side effects to FDA at 1-800-FDA-1088.
See also: Side effects (in more detail)
Sargramostim dosing information
Usual Adult Dose for Neutropenia Associated with Chemotherapy:
250 mcg/m2/day IV over a 4 hour period beginning on or around day 11 or 4 days following the completion of induction chemotherapy, if the day 10 bone marrow is hypoplastic with less than 5% blasts. If a second cycle of induction chemotherapy is needed, administer approximately 4 days after the completion of chemotherapy if the bone marrow is hypoplastic with less than 5% blasts. Continue until absolute neutrophil count (ANC) is greater than 1500 cells/mm3 for 3 consecutive days or a maximum of 42 days.
Use: To shorten time to neutrophil recovery and to reduce the incidence of severe and life-threatening infections and infections resulting in death following induction chemotherapy in older adult patients with acute myelogenous leukemia (AML). Safety and efficacy have not been assessed in AML patients younger than 55 years.
Usual Adult Dose for Bone Marrow Transplantation -- Myeloid Reconstruction:
250 mcg/m2/day IV over 2 hours beginning 2 to 4 hours after bone marrow infusion and at least 24 hours after the last dose of chemotherapy or radiotherapy when absolute neutrophil count (ANC) is less than 500 cells/mm3; continue until ANC is greater than 1500 cells/mm3 for 3 consecutive days.
-To accelerate myeloid recovery in patients with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL), acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL), and Hodgkin's disease undergoing autologous bone marrow transplantation (BMT).
-To accelerate myeloid recovery in patients undergoing allogeneic BMT from human leukocyte antigen (HLA)-matched related donors.
Usual Adult Dose for Bone Marrow Transplantation -- Failure or Engraftment Delay:
250 mcg/m2/day IV for 14 days as a 2 hour infusion. The dose can be repeated 7 days later if engraftment has not been achieved. If engraftment has not taken place after the second administration of this drug, a dose of 500 mcg/m2/day for 14 days may be administered beginning 7 days after the previous dose (14 days after the initial dose).
Use: To prolong survival of patients who are experiencing graft failure or engraftment delay, in the presence or absence of infection, following autologous or allogeneic bone marrow transplantation (BMT).
Usual Adult Dose for Peripheral Progenitor Cell Transplantation:
250 mcg/m2/day IV over 24 hours or subcutaneously once a day. Continue at the same dose throughout peripheral blood progenitor cell (PBPC) collection.
Comments: Optimal PBPC collection times have not been established; in clinical studies, collection usually began by day 5 and was performed daily until protocol targets were achieved.
Use: Mobilization of hematopoietic progenitor cells into peripheral blood for collection by leukapheresis.
250 mcg/m2/day IV over 24 hours or subcutaneously once a day immediately following progenitor cell infusion and continuing until absolute neutrophil count (ANC) is greater than 1500 cells/mm3 for 3 consecutive days.
Use: To further accelerate myeloid reconstitution following PBPC transplantation.
What other drugs will affect sargramostim?
Tell your doctor about all other medicines you use, especially:
lithium (Eskalith, Lithobid); or
a steroid such as prednisone (Meticorten, Sterapred), methylprednisolone (Medrol), dexamethasone (Decadron), and others.
This list is not complete and other drugs may interact with sargramostim. Tell your doctor about all medications you use. This includes prescription, over-the-counter, vitamin, and herbal products. Do not start a new medication without telling your doctor.
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