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Southern Fried Corn Recipe
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- prep 15 min cook 18 min
- serves 4
- 6 medium-size fresh ears of corn or 3 cups frozen whole kernel corn
- 2 strips lean bacon, chopped
- 1 medium-size yellow onion, chopped
- 1⁄2 cup chopped sweet red or green pepper
- 1 teaspoon all-purpose flour
- 1⁄4 teaspoon salt
- 1⁄8 teaspoon black pepper
- 1⁄2 cup evaporated skimmed milk or low-fat (1% milkfat) milk
- 1
Cut kernels off fresh corn (tip, opposite). Measure 3 cups corn.
- 2
In a 10-inch nonstick skillet, cook bacon over moderate heat until crisp. Remove bacon, reserving drippings. Drain the bacon on paper towels; set aside.
- 3
Add the corn, onion, and red pepper to reserved drippings. Cook over moderate heat, stirring constantly, for 8 minutes or until the corn is tender and lightly browned.
- 4
Stir in the flour, salt, and black pepper. Add the milk. Cook, stirring constantly, until mixture starts to thicken. Cook and stir for 2 minutes more or until thickened. Sprinkle with the bacon pieces. Serve with broiled chicken.
How to make it 23 minutes
Nutritional Information(per serving)
- Calories: 211
- Fat: 7g
- Saturated Fat: 2g
- Cholesterol: 7mg
- Sodium: 260mg
- Carbs: 35g
- Protein: 8g
- Fiber: 4g
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Author: crossley Date: Sun Sep 18 15:42:58 2005 New Revision: 289995 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=289995&view=rev Log: Initial log, session still in progress. Added: forrest/events/forrest-tuesdays/20050918-log.txt (with props) Added: forrest/events/forrest-tuesdays/20050918-log.txt URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/forrest/events/forrest-tuesdays/20050918-log.txt?rev=289995&view=auto ============================================================================== --- forrest/events/forrest-tuesdays/20050918-log.txt (added) +++ forrest/events/forrest-tuesdays/20050918-log.txt Sun Sep 18 15:42:58 2005 @@ -0,0 +1,531 @@ +**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 17 02:21:41 2005 + +Sep 17 02:21:41 --> You are now talking on #for-s2 +Sep 17 02:21:41 --- niven.freenode.net sets mode +n #for-s2 +Sep 17 02:21:41 --- niven.freenode.net sets mode +s #for-s2 +Sep 17 12:10:49 --> JennyCurran (email@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 18 21:42:27 --- xley2 sets mode +n #for-s2 +Sep 18 21:45:37 --- xley2 has changed the topic to: Decide how to approach xhtml2/views +Sep 19 03:12:14 --> tscherler (email@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 03:12:36 <tscherler> hi JennyCurran +Sep 19 03:12:41 <tscherler> hi xley2 +Sep 19 04:16:56 --> diwaker (firstname.lastname@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 04:17:15 <diwaker> hey guys +Sep 19 04:17:27 <diwaker> am i late? have been travelling a lot so missed out the exact time +Sep 19 04:17:43 <diwaker> can someone point out jenny's url so that i can look at the logs +Sep 19 04:36:39 <diwaker> ok so i'm early then :-) +Sep 19 04:48:01 --> tscherle1 (firstname.lastname@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 05:03:51 <-- tscherler has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +Sep 19 05:06:14 --- tscherle1 is now known as tscherler +Sep 19 05:39:44 <-- diwaker has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +Sep 19 06:38:11 --> xley (n=crossley@apache/committer/xley) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 06:40:01 --- xley is now known as crossley +Sep 19 06:47:29 --- tscherler is now known as thorsten_walking +Sep 19 06:54:15 --> rgardler (email@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 06:54:32 <rgardler> Hi Jenny ;-) +Sep 19 06:58:06 <rgardler> whois crossley +Sep 19 06:59:07 <rgardler> (sorry just playing with commands - previous entry - forgot the slash) +Sep 19 06:59:42 <rgardler> I'll talk to myself for a while this may be interesting info for those reading the logs +Sep 19 06:59:54 <rgardler> It appears when you do "/whois USERNAME" +Sep 19 07:00:17 <rgardler> that the provider id is displayed - this often has the IP number of your machine +Sep 19 07:00:22 <rgardler> I don't like that +Sep 19 07:00:25 <rgardler> However... +Sep 19 07:00:48 <rgardler> If you are an Apache committer you can get a cloak that works here on irc.freenode.org +Sep 19 07:00:57 <rgardler> This masks your IP number +Sep 19 07:01:49 <rgardler> I'm not sure how it works but see committers/docs/freenode-cloaks.txt (i.e in committers module in CVS) +Sep 19 07:02:20 <rgardler> errr. that will be in SVN +Sep 19 07:02:29 --> tscherler (email@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 07:02:47 <rgardler> Good evening Thorsten +Sep 19 07:02:50 <crossley> Hmm, i have a cloak for my primary nickname 'xley' +Sep 19 07:02:54 <tscherler> hi all +Sep 19 07:03:03 <crossley> hi +Sep 19 07:03:08 <rgardler> Good morning David +Sep 19 07:03:15 --- crossley is now known as xley +Sep 19 07:03:19 <tscherler> dhi ross +Sep 19 07:03:21 <tscherler> hi david +Sep 19 07:03:29 <tscherler> hi jenny jejej +Sep 19 07:03:30 <rgardler> Yep, that works now david - must get me one of those +Sep 19 07:04:12 <tscherler> one of you are using gaim? +Sep 19 07:04:22 <xley> cheche has a log but it doesn't seem to be working +Sep 19 07:04:29 <xley> http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/forrest.log.18Sep2005 +Sep 19 07:04:55 <rgardler> I'm running a log (I think) I'm sure others are too +Sep 19 07:05:03 <rgardler> Thorsten - I'm not GAIM +Sep 19 07:05:22 <xley> yes, me too, but a live log via http was very useful last time +Sep 19 07:05:36 <tscherler> I am trying to get my system up running with my backup +Sep 19 07:05:52 <tscherler> shold I call him? +Sep 19 07:06:04 <tscherler> ask whether he can check? +Sep 19 07:06:09 <xley> yes please +Sep 19 07:08:13 <xley> but cheche said he might not be around at this time +Sep 19 07:09:58 <-- thorsten_walking has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +Sep 19 07:11:58 <tscherler> he +Sep 19 07:12:11 <tscherler> he is not at home but at parrents place +Sep 19 07:12:15 <tscherler> without internet +Sep 19 07:12:29 <tscherler> he will be back in 2 hours +Sep 19 07:12:52 <rgardler> Then I would suggest that we proceeed and if anyone arrives late we can send them a log via email to catch up +Sep 19 07:12:59 <tscherler> he gave me the access to his home computer but it seesm the firewall blocks me +Sep 19 07:13:25 <tscherler> does anymore wants to try? +Sep 19 07:13:47 <rgardler> Probably best for you not to give login details out without his permission +Sep 19 07:14:19 <tscherler> he gave me this permission as well ;-) +Sep 19 07:14:29 <tscherler> it is only the bot user +Sep 19 07:14:38 <rgardler> Oh OK, I'll try then - obviously send details via email +Sep 19 07:14:38 <tscherler> anyway +Sep 19 07:14:46 <tscherler> jupp +Sep 19 07:15:12 <rgardler> In the meanitme shall we proceed? it's 15 mins past start time now +Sep 19 07:15:52 --> twilliams_ (email@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 07:16:05 <tscherler> give me a moment +Sep 19 07:16:08 <rgardler> Heh, Tim - good timing - you missed nothing yet +Sep 19 07:16:48 <twilliams_> thanks, sorry for the tardiness - wife's fault;) +Sep 19 07:18:03 <rgardler> I didn't mean "good timing" in the "your late sense" but because you arrived just as I said "shall we start" +Sep 19 07:18:18 <twilliams_> does jenny have a url yet? +Sep 19 07:18:34 <rgardler> Yes, but she seems to be aslepp +Sep 19 07:18:44 <rgardler> http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/forrest.log.18Sep2005 +Sep 19 07:19:08 <twilliams_> yeah, i heard the right way... +Sep 19 07:19:13 <tscherler> rgardler you have mail +Sep 19 07:19:27 <rgardler> We said we would mail logs to late comers, however, all you have missed is that discussion and a few other "what shall we do about logs" related scomments +Sep 19 07:20:59 <rgardler> I can't get Jenny to open the door either - shall we proceed with the "send log by email" solution? +Sep 19 07:21:02 <twilliams_> ok, someone's loggin it locally in cause jenny isn't really there? +Sep 19 07:21:09 <rgardler> Yes +Sep 19 07:21:15 <twilliams_> yeah, don't worry about it for me though +Sep 19 07:22:17 <rgardler> OK - so I'll start as I promised I would: "What do we intend to gain from using XHTML2 in core?" +Sep 19 07:22:26 <tscherler> need to restart my client back in a second +Sep 19 07:22:33 <tscherler> please one more moment +Sep 19 07:22:37 <-- tscherler has quit ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") +Sep 19 07:22:41 <rgardler> OK, hold those answers... +Sep 19 07:23:06 <xley> the sun is rising here +Sep 19 07:23:15 <rgardler> So you'll be waking up now then? +Sep 19 07:23:26 <xley> no coffee yet +Sep 19 07:23:43 <rgardler> GO get Coffeee, the sun is risin you must toast the day +Sep 19 07:24:05 --> tscherler (email@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 07:24:07 <rgardler> I'm going for a whiskey while Thorsten is rebooting +Sep 19 07:24:08 <tscherler> back +Sep 19 07:24:14 <tscherler> jeje +Sep 19 07:24:15 <twilliams_> toast... ahh... shall i begin the beer conversation again? +Sep 19 07:24:17 <tscherler> too late +Sep 19 07:24:37 --- xley is now known as crossley +Sep 19 07:25:28 <crossley> coffee can wait. Are we ready now? +Sep 19 07:25:35 <rgardler> I'm ready +Sep 19 07:25:49 --> tscherle1 (firstname.lastname@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 07:26:05 <rgardler> Wow there's too of him, no wonder he gets so much done +Sep 19 07:26:05 <tscherle1> http://www.voresoel.dk/main.php?id=70 +Sep 19 07:26:14 <tscherle1> :) +Sep 19 07:26:30 <tscherle1> just getting my system back +Sep 19 07:26:48 <tscherle1> btw I fall in love with rsync +Sep 19 07:26:50 <tscherle1> ;-) +Sep 19 07:27:10 <tscherle1> it so nice getting the backup onto my system again +Sep 19 07:28:16 <rgardler> so does that mean you are ready Thorsten? +Sep 19 07:28:22 <tscherle1> :) +Sep 19 07:28:27 <tscherle1> yeah +Sep 19 07:28:37 <rgardler> OK - so I'll start as I promised I would: "What do we intend to gain from using XHTML2 in core?" +Sep 19 07:29:55 <twilliams_> i don't know +Sep 19 07:30:24 <tscherle1> where we want to apply xhtml2? +Sep 19 07:30:36 <tscherle1> Should the tab-* and menu-* as well output xhtml2? +Sep 19 07:31:12 <twilliams_> and then have yet another transform to do plain html? +Sep 19 07:31:20 <crossley> wait, ross that questionis different from the one you wanted to start with +Sep 19 07:31:28 <crossley> looking for you mail ... +Sep 19 07:31:36 <rgardler> Oooops sorry... I was going from memory +Sep 19 07:32:00 <rgardler> Thorsten, I think that is a different issue - that is more about *how*, first I want to understand *why* (I know my why, but not yours) +Sep 19 07:32:26 <crossley> "What are we trying to achieve by using XHMTL2 in the core?" +Sep 19 07:32:32 <tscherle1> to answer why we have to define where IMO +Sep 19 07:32:43 <crossley> that was Ross' first question +Sep 19 07:32:45 <tscherle1> actually I do not know +Sep 19 07:33:04 <tscherle1> I thought that we want to base our xdocs on xhtml2 +Sep 19 07:33:05 <twilliams_> that's how i interpreted what he just asked +Sep 19 07:33:36 <tscherle1> that make xhtml2 as input +Sep 19 07:33:54 <crossley> thorsten, is that all ? +Sep 19 07:33:58 <rgardler> only input? +Sep 19 07:34:03 <tscherle1> yes +Sep 19 07:34:05 <tscherle1> IMO +Sep 19 07:34:07 <tscherle1> yes +Sep 19 07:34:16 <tscherle1> all internal is xml +Sep 19 07:34:28 <rgardler> David/Tim - any thoughts before I tell you mine +Sep 19 07:35:03 <twilliams_> i don't know *why* personally.. but i gather that we're talking a peer xml format to xdoc rather than an input +Sep 19 07:35:05 <crossley> i have thoughts and been reading back mail to try to find why NKB thought so +Sep 19 07:35:44 <crossley> i wait until Tim finished +Sep 19 07:35:47 <twilliams_> i suppose there's the obvious, so as not to maintain our own dtd +Sep 19 07:35:55 <rgardler> Tim, can you explain what you mean by "peer XML format to XDoc rather than input"? +Sep 19 07:36:36 <tscherle1> yes please +Sep 19 07:36:49 <twilliams_> i mean that we want it internally, rather than we normalizing to xdoc +Sep 19 07:36:52 <twilliams_> in other words... +Sep 19 07:37:07 <twilliams_> we don't want xhtml2->xdoc->html/pdf/etc +Sep 19 07:37:15 <twilliams_> we do want xhtml2->html/pdf/etc +Sep 19 07:38:00 <rgardler> OK, I understand what you mean (I'm avoiding making comments for now, I'm in listening mode - which is highly unusual for me ;-) +Sep 19 07:38:09 <rgardler> David...? +Sep 19 07:38:21 <crossley> okay ... +Sep 19 07:38:43 <crossley> 1) xdoc is a non-standard format. +Sep 19 07:39:02 <crossley> i found this email from Stefano: +Sep 19 07:39:15 <crossley> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=forrest-dev&m=107321718624591 +Sep 19 07:39:40 <crossley> 2) Easier for tools like DocBook to just generate XHTML and we just use that, rather than then convert to xdoc. +Sep 19 07:40:02 <crossley> 3) Easier validation of internal format: RELAX NG +Sep 19 07:40:53 <crossley> 4) Nicola Ken seemed adamant to do it, and that is good enough for me (wish he was here) +Sep 19 07:41:32 <crossley> Those four are all that i can think of at the moment. Over to you ... +Sep 19 07:41:50 <rgardler> Cooo, thanks all, any more comments before I speak up? +Sep 19 07:41:57 <rgardler> (coool, that is ;-) +Sep 19 07:42:06 <rgardler> or even cool... +Sep 19 07:42:48 <rgardler> OK, I too have been reading up in the archives +Sep 19 07:43:07 <rgardler> I was interested to find that this has been discussed for over three years now... +Sep 19 07:43:29 <rgardler> As David said NKB was the original proponent (good enough to go for then...) +Sep 19 07:43:42 <rgardler> I was also an early "believer" +Sep 19 07:43:56 <rgardler> We fought hard to gain consensus and then neither of us did it... +Sep 19 07:44:10 <rgardler> All the reasons have been given so far +Sep 19 07:44:17 <rgardler> no need to maintain DTD +Sep 19 07:44:29 <rgardler> Easier integration of editors (so input is agreed) +Sep 19 07:44:45 <rgardler> we are not using a non-stanrard format (which scares users) +Sep 19 07:44:58 <rgardler> XHTML2 is designed to be extensible +Sep 19 07:45:04 <rgardler> easier to validate +Sep 19 07:45:10 <rgardler> However, there is one more... +Sep 19 07:45:20 <rgardler> Tim touched on it in his email... +Sep 19 07:45:36 <rgardler> Lets think of the interface to Forrest +Sep 19 07:45:52 <rgardler> On the input side we have XDoc and we are in agreement to replace this wtih XHTML2 +Sep 19 07:46:01 <rgardler> However, on the output side we have HTML +Sep 19 07:46:13 <rgardler> So we have *two* interfaces +Sep 19 07:46:19 <rgardler> when one will do +Sep 19 07:46:29 <rgardler> I say we use XHTML2 on input *and* output +Sep 19 07:46:36 <rgardler> Standardise our interfaces +Sep 19 07:46:47 <rgardler> (pausing for comments) +Sep 19 07:48:21 <rgardler> No comments? (from here on in I'll stop if someone types something) +Sep 19 07:48:33 <rgardler> What do we gain by doing this? +Sep 19 07:48:34 <crossley> agreement from me. Sounds like xhtml2 everywhere +Sep 19 07:48:51 <crossley> keep going Ross +Sep 19 07:48:55 <twilliams_> i don't get how that's different i suppose +Sep 19 07:49:02 <twilliams_> the "output" i mean +Sep 19 07:49:22 <rgardler> Currently when we produce a different output format +Sep 19 07:49:27 <rgardler> e.g. PDF +Sep 19 07:49:39 <rgardler> we have a completely separate process +Sep 19 07:49:54 <rgardler> that is, we output FO rather than HTML +Sep 19 07:50:08 <rgardler> But it still goes through the document2html transformer +Sep 19 07:50:18 <rgardler> That is an unnecessary step +Sep 19 07:50:30 <rgardler> we should go src->XHTML2->FO +Sep 19 07:50:57 <rgardler> As has been said, view *just* replace the last stage of the skinning process +Sep 19 07:51:04 <rgardler> I think this is missing a trick +Sep 19 07:51:27 <rgardler> Themes replace the last stage of skinnnig, views are about structure and content not about rendering +Sep 19 07:51:34 <tscherler> see my recent mail to this +Sep 19 07:51:50 <rgardler> Just goinng to re-read it... +Sep 19 07:52:08 <tscherler> to throw in some remarks +Sep 19 07:52:44 <tscherler> (22:50:47) rgardler: we should go src->XHTML2->FO -> whith all above said would be xhtml2-fo +Sep 19 07:52:55 <tscherler> because src = xhtml2 +Sep 19 07:53:27 <rgardler> amazon ECS -> XHTML2 -> FO +Sep 19 07:53:33 <twilliams_> i took src to be via an input plugin +Sep 19 07:53:39 <rgardler> (for example of none XHTML2 input) +Sep 19 07:54:36 <tscherler> 22:46:45) rgardler: I say we use XHTML2 on input *and* output -> we have internal yes and all output plugins have to cope with xhtml2 but we still need xhtml as output +Sep 19 07:55:02 <tscherler> (22:53:49) twilliams_: i took src to be via an input plugin-> me too +Sep 19 07:55:43 <tscherler> src is the internal format produced by an input plugin +Sep 19 07:56:10 <tscherler> IMO we still need a subset of element and how we want to render them +Sep 19 07:56:18 <rgardler> Why do we need XHTML2 as an ouput from core? +Sep 19 07:56:29 <tscherler> that would make up our internal format +Sep 19 07:56:30 <rgardler> sorry XHTML as an output from core +Sep 19 07:56:48 <tscherler> for the output plugins, or not? +Sep 19 07:57:03 <tscherler> we need an internal format +Sep 19 07:57:18 <tscherler> an interface for output plugins +Sep 19 07:57:44 <rgardler> Thosten, I'm confused - are you saying XHTML should be the interface for output plugins? +Sep 19 07:58:06 <tscherler> add the 2 sorry ;-) +Sep 19 07:58:15 <rgardler> phew... ;-) +Sep 19 07:59:02 <tscherler> (22:56:46) rgardler: sorry XHTML as an output from core -> but you said you only want xhtml2, or not? +Sep 19 07:59:26 <rgardler> (see my correct in the next line) +Sep 19 07:59:47 <rgardler> OK, so we need a "subset of elements" - we have that, we are not using *all* of XHTML2, only the equivalents of XDoc, that is our subset +Sep 19 07:59:59 <tscherler> yes +Sep 19 08:00:09 <rgardler> I think I missed your point then... +Sep 19 08:00:53 <tscherler> actually what do we need to process? +Sep 19 08:01:00 <tscherler> the main thing is the doc +Sep 19 08:01:07 <tscherler> the rest is additional +Sep 19 08:01:20 <tscherler> and IMO even the doc is additional +Sep 19 08:01:32 <tscherle1> "Actually there +Sep 19 08:01:32 <tscherle1> is no default pm anymore. You get what your view requests! " +Sep 19 08:01:57 <crossley> what is a "pm"? +Sep 19 08:02:08 <tscherler> presentation model +Sep 19 08:02:50 <tscherler> our aggregate of menu-*; tab-*; body-*, ... +Sep 19 08:04:08 <tscherler> I am checkin in my stuff where I started to show what I mean +Sep 19 08:04:11 <tscherler> one moment +Sep 19 08:04:19 <crossley> that is all content, isn't it? +Sep 19 08:04:38 <tscherler> yes and no +Sep 19 08:04:40 <tscherler> IMO +Sep 19 08:04:48 <tscherler> navigation is meta-data +Sep 19 08:05:37 <tscherler> it says something about the request in the current project +Sep 19 08:06:11 <rgardler> I disagree, navigation says nothing about the *content* it is meta-data but not to the content, it is meta-data to the site, therefore it is content in the rendered page +Sep 19 08:07:04 <rgardler> Anyway, more importantly (for me): I've read Thorstens mail about 5 times now, and I really can't see the difference between what he is suggesting and what I am suggesting, can anyone enlighten me? +Sep 19 08:09:13 <crossley> which mail? ... but i doubt that lil old me will be able to enlighten you guys. +Sep 19 08:09:45 <tscherle1> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=289974&view=rev +Sep 19 08:10:24 <tscherle1> Asunto: Re: [Proposal] Design meeting focus Fecha: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:15:15 +0200 +Sep 19 08:11:09 <tscherler> (23:06:27) rgardler: I disagree, navigation says nothing about the *content* it is meta-data but not to the content, it is meta-data to the site, therefore it is content in the rendered page -> that is exactly what I wrote -> it says something about the request in the current project +Sep 19 08:12:23 <twilliams_> it seems to me you're both saying the same thing: +Sep 19 08:12:32 <tscherler> +1 +Sep 19 08:12:34 <tscherler> ;-) +Sep 19 08:12:40 <twilliams_> o) external formats should normalize to xhtml2 +Sep 19 08:12:48 <rgardler> SO what the hell are we discussing ;-) Time for a beer +Sep 19 08:13:16 <twilliams_> o) xhtml2 will be the source for other outputs (ie, it will be straight to html, pdf, etc. from xhtml2) +Sep 19 08:13:34 <twilliams_> o) and all "pieces" or contracts will be addressable +Sep 19 08:13:46 <tscherler> +1 +Sep 19 08:13:47 <twilliams_> how to get it done +Sep 19 08:13:56 <tscherler> views ;-) +Sep 19 08:14:06 <rgardler> Tim, Godd summary of what I said in a much more verbose way ;-) +Sep 19 08:14:26 <rgardler> (errr... "good summary" +Sep 19 08:14:37 <tscherler> ross you and I should tell tim what we think and he summarize ;-) +Sep 19 08:14:54 <rgardler> +10000 +Sep 19 08:15:01 <rgardler> OK, so let me move to mysecond question: "what do we gain from doing a partial move to XHTML2 in core"? +Sep 19 08:15:13 <rgardler> (i.e. input side only) +Sep 19 08:15:52 <twilliams_> i wasn't suggesting *that* partial solution +Sep 19 08:16:16 * crossley goes to get coffee, back in a tick +Sep 19 08:16:24 <rgardler> How do you see your suggestion being different? +Sep 19 08:16:25 <tscherler> (22:38:59) crossley: 1) xdoc is a non-standard format. -> we have a standard format +Sep 19 08:16:56 <twilliams_> it's not a Standard format though (a la XHTML2, docbook, dita +Sep 19 08:17:41 <tscherler> (23:17:12) twilliams_: it's not a Standard format though (a la XHTML2, docbook, dita->??? +Sep 19 08:18:01 <tscherler> I thought xhtml2 should come out of a input plugin? +Sep 19 08:18:12 <twilliams_> it's not maintained by a standards body +Sep 19 08:18:38 <tscherler> what do you mean +Sep 19 08:18:54 <twilliams_> huh? i thought that's what we just went through +Sep 19 08:19:37 <twilliams_> w3c, oasis, etc. maintain standards our documentv2whatever is maintained as best i can tell by david.. a consortium of one;) +Sep 19 08:20:00 <tscherler> jeje +Sep 19 08:20:11 <rgardler> :-) - pretty close to reality +Sep 19 08:20:50 <tscherler> so we nned +Sep 19 08:20:50 <rgardler> So, Thorsten, I missed your point again (back to you soon Tim) +Sep 19 08:21:01 <tscherler> which point? +Sep 19 08:21:15 <rgardler> (22:38:59) crossley: 1) xdoc is a non-standard format. -> we have a standard format +Sep 19 08:21:28 <tscherler> (23:15:18) rgardler: OK, so let me move to mysecond question: "what do we gain from doing a partial move to XHTML2 in core"? +Sep 19 08:21:34 <tscherler> ;-) +Sep 19 08:21:48 <tscherler> now I se +Sep 19 08:21:58 <rgardler> Ah... tha's obvious now - not used to you being succint ;-) +Sep 19 08:22:02 <tscherler> should be we *will* gain a standard input +Sep 19 08:22:32 <rgardler> OK, any other gains? +Sep 19 08:22:33 <twilliams_> ahhh... shucks... and you made me go through that for why? +Sep 19 08:22:48 <tscherler> sorry +Sep 19 08:22:57 <tscherler> :( +Sep 19 08:23:33 <rgardler> (we need a babel fish so we can all talk in our native tongue) +Sep 19 08:24:03 <twilliams_> i am... still goofing it up i suppose;) +Sep 19 08:24:30 <tscherler> OT did you see hitchikers guide to the galaxy? We need the fish +Sep 19 08:24:43 <rgardler> Yeah, it was called a "babel fish" :-) +Sep 19 08:24:58 <tscherler> :) was not sure you meant that ;-) +Sep 19 08:25:06 <tscherler> +1 +Sep 19 08:25:27 <tscherler> ok david +Sep 19 08:25:39 <crossley> what? +Sep 19 08:25:40 <tscherler> your are still alive crossley? +Sep 19 08:25:47 <crossley> just +Sep 19 08:25:49 <tscherler> your thoughts? +Sep 19 08:26:00 <crossley> about what sorry +Sep 19 08:26:07 <rgardler> Drink the coffee man! +Sep 19 08:26:19 <rgardler> ;-) +Sep 19 08:26:41 <crossley> still brewing +Sep 19 08:26:56 <rgardler> Ahhh. the real stuff, you make me proud +Sep 19 08:27:05 <crossley> of course +Sep 19 08:28:09 <rgardler> I'm just looking through the list of things we gain from XHTML2... +Sep 19 08:28:33 <rgardler> In answer to the what do we get in a partial solution is "everything except a standardised interface" +Sep 19 08:28:47 <rgardler> on the input *and* output that is +Sep 19 08:29:10 <rgardler> Tim, you made some valid points in your proposal about doing too much in one go +Sep 19 08:29:35 <rgardler> Given that Thorsten and I seem to agree (after a long disagreement) would you like to make any comments relating to that +Sep 19 08:30:07 <tscherler> (23:29:52) rgardler: Given that Thorsten and I seem to agree (after a long disagreement) -> actually I reckon we always agreed +Sep 19 08:30:16 <tscherler> only the way how to +Sep 19 08:30:24 <twilliams_> i've not disagreed with the goal, just the approach +Sep 19 08:30:28 <tscherler> that is point odf discussion +Sep 19 08:30:34 <tscherler> me too +Sep 19 08:30:51 <twilliams_> what you called "partial" i'm calling the first step of a "staged" solution +Sep 19 08:31:08 <twilliams_> because i think we can safely do alot of this now +Sep 19 08:31:32 <twilliams_> whereas, i think the views implementation isn't stable enough to start building in some of this +Sep 19 08:31:48 <tscherler> ...and it is much work. All input plugins have now produce xhtml2 +Sep 19 08:31:56 <twilliams_> and.. to the extent possible it makes sense to allow each to mature in its own way +Sep 19 08:32:36 <twilliams_> and there's the obvious pragmatic concerns about everyone needing to make fairly siginificant changes to what comes down to a handful of files +Sep 19 08:32:51 <tscherler> (23:31:48) twilliams_: whereas, i think the views implementation isn't stable enough to start building in some of this -> actually I disagree +Sep 19 08:33:20 <rgardler> (lets not get diverted by the stability discussion - it's a different issue) +Sep 19 08:33:28 <tscherler> the problem I see is that making them stable means that more active devs around them +Sep 19 08:34:15 <tscherler> anyway +Sep 19 08:34:16 <twilliams_> views are pretty stable functionally... +Sep 19 08:34:32 <tscherler> ...but? +Sep 19 08:34:32 <twilliams_> the reason i bring it up is the implementation of them may not be +Sep 19 08:34:56 <twilliams_> and the changes that would be necessary are dependent on the implementation +Sep 19 08:35:24 <rgardler> Tim, there is no need for all plugins to switch over to XHTML2 at the same time given my approach - if they produce XDoc we simply pipe them into an XDoc input plugin which converts to XHTML2 +Sep 19 08:35:43 <twilliams_> i was going to say that +Sep 19 08:35:55 <twilliams_> that was thorsten, but i got side-tracked +Sep 19 08:36:32 <twilliams_> i think there is agreement on the input side +Sep 19 08:36:40 <rgardler> OK +Sep 19 08:36:41 <twilliams_> at least from me +Sep 19 08:37:03 <rgardler> Lets take a vote, are we in agreement that contracts need to accept XHTML2 as input? +Sep 19 08:37:05 <rgardler> +1 from me +Sep 19 08:37:11 <rgardler> (it's an informal vote) +Sep 19 08:38:07 <twilliams_> i meant the input side of *forrest*, not necessarily the input of contracts +Sep 19 08:38:28 <twilliams_> as in, "normalize to xhtml2" +Sep 19 08:39:00 <rgardler> Yea, and since views are on the input side (see Thorstens and my mails) that means contracts need to be XHTML2 +Sep 19 08:39:13 <tscherle1> no +Sep 19 08:39:24 <rgardler> Ahhh.... I thought we agreed that, please expand +Sep 19 08:39:25 <tscherle1> I never said this +Sep 19 08:39:33 <tscherle1> Yea, and since views are on the input side (see Thorstens and my mails) that means contracts need to be XHTML2 +Sep 19 08:39:53 <tscherle1> does not matter +Sep 19 08:40:06 <tscherle1> yes they need to accept xhtml2 +Sep 19 08:40:09 <tscherle1> +1 +Sep 19 08:40:41 <rgardler> (David, you invented that Babel fish yet?) +Sep 19 08:40:45 <tscherle1> they conneting the input plugins but they are in core but like I set does not matter ;-) +Sep 19 08:41:11 <crossley> its not working +Sep 19 08:41:19 <rgardler> OK, I see what you mean I agree with your thought and that for this topic it does not matter +Sep 19 08:41:29 <rgardler> (David, give it Coffee) +Sep 19 08:41:33 <crossley> perhaps inserted back-to-front +Sep 19 08:41:35 <twilliams_> http://babelfish.altavista.com/ +Sep 19 08:41:49 <rgardler> (it is in your ear right?) +Sep 19 08:42:17 <rgardler> (maybe I should go to school and actually learn another language that might help) +Sep 19 08:42:38 <twilliams_> Ich denke, daà Thorsten recht ist +Sep 19 08:42:49 <tscherler> :) +Sep 19 08:42:50 <tscherler> lol +Sep 19 08:42:58 <tscherler> recht hat ;-) +Sep 19 08:44:24 <tscherler> ok how do we implement it? +Sep 19 08:44:29 <rgardler> Where were we? +Sep 19 08:44:43 <rgardler> Oh yeah...tscherler ok how do we implement it? +Sep 19 08:45:14 <tscherler> we have now the xhtml2 plugin +Sep 19 08:45:15 <rgardler> Tim, can you explain why you think the approach in the XHTML2 plugin is incorrect +Sep 19 08:46:15 <twilliams_> i haven't done very well at it so far +Sep 19 08:46:24 <rgardler> :-( +Sep 19 08:46:41 <rgardler> I understand your point about not taking on too much, my problem is that I don't see why it is more work +Sep 19 08:47:30 <twilliams_> say we get down this path and two weeks from now we decide that much of the views stuff should be in POJO +Sep 19 08:47:44 <twilliams_> and that changes the way contracts are written +Sep 19 08:47:51 <twilliams_> or templates are written +Sep 19 08:48:21 <twilliams_> why not just let views progress to where we want them to be independently instead of tying the two together +Sep 19 08:48:45 <rgardler> Aha!!!! it clicked +Sep 19 08:48:49 <twilliams_> in other words, if we go down the current plugin's path, thorsten and crew will need to start also developing views in that plugin +Sep 19 08:49:17 <twilliams_> then we end up with a plugin that is essentially a replacement for forrest because it's grown so huge +Sep 19 08:49:30 <twilliams_> that *everything* and the kitchen sink has to be dragged in +Sep 19 08:50:16 <rgardler> When I wrote the mail describing the approach... +Sep 19 08:50:38 <rgardler> I started off saying that this is the first step towards moving from an pre-release Forrest to a 1.0 Forrest +Sep 19 08:51:16 <rgardler> I took it out because I didn't want to reawaken the concerns that the XHTML2 plugin is doing too much in one go - it is not +Sep 19 08:51:48 <rgardler> My intention is *only* to make the contracts take XHTML2 as input - something we are agreed on, and produce XHTML2 as output (I think we agreed that) +Sep 19 08:52:16 <rgardler> The XML defining the contracts may change, but that is easy to sort out with a text editor +Sep 19 08:52:21 <rgardler> and a few scripts +Sep 19 08:52:36 <tscherler> stop +Sep 19 08:52:45 <tscherler> tim thx +Sep 19 08:52:49 <rgardler> OK +Sep 19 08:52:55 <tscherler> you said so many true thing +Sep 19 08:53:30 <tscherler> I felt *guilty* not applying my reccent changes to xhtml2 +Sep 19 08:53:43 <tscherler> but I can not do that +Sep 19 08:53:48 <tscherler> anyway +Sep 19 08:54:12 <tscherler> contracts are changed within no time +Sep 19 08:54:27 <tscherler> it does not matter which format is coming in +Sep 19 08:54:45 <tscherler> even we can have two contracts for different format +Sep 19 08:55:22 <tscherler> xhtml2 plugin should provide the document as xhtml2 +Sep 19 08:55:33 <tscherler> that's it +Sep 19 08:56:04 <tscherler> we do not need views in the xhtml2 for that +Sep 19 08:56:30 <tscherler> it is a plugin +Sep 19 08:57:22 <crossley> you saying that "views" are one plugin? +Sep 19 08:58:32 <twilliams_> who? i haven't. i think they can't be only for practical reasons +Sep 19 08:59:31 <rgardler> In my opinion: The *core* part of views is a single plugin, what we now call the structurer, the contracts are another plugin (or plugins) and themes are another +Sep 19 09:00:10 <crossley> tscherler just said "it is a plugin" ... i wondered what "it" meant. +Sep 19 09:00:10 <twilliams_> ok +Sep 19 09:00:22 <twilliams_> he meant the *new* one +Sep 19 09:00:26 <twilliams_> xhtml2 plugin +Sep 19 09:00:38 <crossley> ah thanks +Sep 19 09:00:46 <rgardler> So, Thorsten, your conclusion please +Sep 19 09:05:08 <twilliams_> ummm... thorsten... you're on.... take the stage please...;) +Sep 19 09:07:19 --> thorsten_ (firstname.lastname@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 09:07:25 <thorsten_> argh +Sep 19 09:07:38 <thorsten_> wha d I meiss +Sep 19 09:07:52 <thorsten_> I got kick out and I am on a new client +Sep 19 09:08:01 <thorsten_> hello +Sep 19 09:08:08 <thorsten_> somebody there= +Sep 19 09:08:15 <twilliams_> rgardler So, Thorsten, your conclusion please +Sep 19 09:08:29 <crossley> yes we were waiting for you - you didn't miss anything +Sep 19 09:08:35 <thorsten_> when I got cut off? +Sep 19 09:08:57 <twilliams_> ok, i tried to make a funny +Sep 19 09:09:09 <twilliams_> twilliams_: ummm... thorsten... you're on.... take the stage please...;) +Sep 19 09:09:50 <thorsten_> what is the last sentence? +Sep 19 09:09:55 <twilliams_> we all felt like you were "leading up to a big conclusion" I suppose +Sep 19 09:10:07 <thorsten_> sorry my client trashed +Sep 19 09:10:17 <twilliams_> tscherler we do not need views in the xhtml2 for that +Sep 19 09:10:17 <twilliams_> tscherler it is a plugin +Sep 19 09:10:28 <thorsten_> ok +Sep 19 09:10:28 <twilliams_> that's where you left off +Sep 19 09:10:35 <crossley> thorsten this is the last thing that Ross said ... +Sep 19 09:10:53 <crossley> In my opinion: The *core* part of views is a single plugin, what we now call the structurer, the contracts are another plugin (or plugins) and themes are another +Sep 19 09:11:08 <crossley> ... So, Thorsten, your conclusion please +Sep 19 09:11:13 <crossley> end Ross +Sep 19 09:11:27 <twilliams_> he was answering a question from david with that though +Sep 19 09:12:01 <thorsten_> conclusion xhmtl2 should provide xhtml2 and not incooperate views +Sep 19 09:12:07 <thorsten_> to ross +Sep 19 09:12:16 <thorsten_> the contracts are another plugin (or plugins) and themes are another -> yes +Sep 19 09:12:33 <thorsten_> but you showed me that their can be used before ;-) +Sep 19 09:12:36 <thorsten_> in the core +Sep 19 09:12:41 <thorsten_> with the resume stuff +Sep 19 09:13:35 <rgardler> thorsten_ conclusion xhmtl2 should provide xhtml2 and not incooperate views -> Yes, see my mails to you onlist in which I explain... +Sep 19 09:13:54 <thorsten_> you are saying their are a fraework +Sep 19 09:14:06 <thorsten_> I say we do not a framework for that +Sep 19 09:14:19 <thorsten_> views *are* already the frame work +Sep 19 09:14:22 <thorsten_> ;-) +Sep 19 09:14:57 <rgardler> I agree. The comment was not related to what you were saying but clarifying something in response to a question David asked, you'll see it in the logs, but we are in agreement ;-) +Sep 19 09:15:16 <rgardler> thorsten_ conclusion xhmtl2 should provide xhtml2 and not incooperate views -> Yes, see my mails to you onlist in which I explain... +Sep 19 09:15:36 <rgardler> the only reason for structurer.xmap is that I needed to get ris of the *.page matcher +Sep 19 09:15:57 <-- tscherle1 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +Sep 19 09:16:00 <rgardler> You had already stated this was your intention and I said that once this was sorted out we could "rip out structurer.xmap" +Sep 19 09:16:09 <thorsten_> Iok +Sep 19 09:16:13 <rgardler> Bugger and we are so close to gettin gthis sorted! +Sep 19 09:16:14 <-- tscherler has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +Sep 19 09:16:22 <rgardler> I'll mail him the last part of the log +Sep 19 09:17:44 <crossley> thorsten ... tell us when you are back and ready. +Sep 19 09:18:00 --> tscherler (email@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 09:18:15 <rgardler> David, I know you don't like Cricket much but, what is the national mood regarding the Ashes? +Sep 19 09:18:39 <rgardler> (Thorsten I mailed you the last part of the log from when you got kicked first time, let us know when you caugt up) +Sep 19 09:18:53 --> cheche (email@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 09:19:14 <tscherler> cheers ross +Sep 19 09:19:18 <tscherler> ok it +Sep 19 09:19:26 <tscherler> means the xhtml2 plugin +Sep 19 09:19:26 <-- JennyCurran has quit (Remote closed the connection) +Sep 19 09:19:41 <rgardler> (Jenny woke up and didn't like the look of us) +Sep 19 09:19:45 <tscherler> we can add it to the project and use it instead of any other src +Sep 19 09:19:47 <tscherler> right? +Sep 19 09:19:50 --> JennyCurran (firstname.lastname@example.com) has joined #for-s2 +Sep 19 09:20:01 <tscherler> cheers cheche +Sep 19 09:20:09 <rgardler> Thanks Cheche +Sep 19 09:20:22 <cheche> hi all! +Sep 19 09:20:29 <cheche> sorry about JennyCurran +Sep 19 09:20:39 <rgardler> Man she is lazy! +Sep 19 09:20:41 <cheche> I do not know what is wrong... +Sep 19 09:20:47 <crossley> hi cheche glad you could make it +Sep 19 09:21:06 <rgardler> Thorsten - yes :-) +Sep 19 09:22:35 <crossley> :-) this conversation needs to regroup. +Sep 19 09:22:46 <tscherler> please go ahead +Sep 19 09:22:51 <crossley> where were we? +Sep 19 09:23:00 <rgardler> Let me try... +Sep 19 09:23:04 <twilliams_> lost and confused? +Sep 19 09:23:11 <twilliams_> ;) +Sep 19 09:23:39 <rgardler> I think Thorsten and I were just agreeing that the goal of the XHTML2 plugin is just to create contracts that are XHMTL2 aware +Sep 19 09:23:44 <rgardler> Nothing more +Sep 19 09:23:50 <rgardler> Is that right Thorsten? +Sep 19 09:23:52 <crossley> after ross tries i also have some questions about "contracts" +Sep 19 09:25:26 <tscherler> ross IMO their should only output document2xhmtl2 +Sep 19 09:25:29 <tscherler> not mor +Sep 19 09:25:48 <tscherler> the rest should be done in another plugin +Sep 19 09:26:35 <tscherler> remeber you said +Sep 19 09:26:38 <tscherler> the contracts are another plugin (or plugins) and +Sep 19 09:27:01 <tscherler> they have to be detached of the xhtml2 plugin IMO +Sep 19 09:27:06 <rgardler> Yes... input plugin (contracts -> ) -> core (XHTML2) -> outputput plugin (HTML) -> Theme (CSS) +Sep 19 09:27:11 <cheche> fixed! http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/forrest.log.19Sep2005 +Sep 19 09:27:22 <rgardler> Cheers cheche +Sep 19 09:27:23 <tscherler> :) +Sep 19 09:27:24 <tscherler> cheers +Sep 19 09:27:51 <tscherler> input->contracts(core)->ourput +Sep 19 09:28:22 <tscherler> where output has as well contracts +Sep 19 09:28:25 <tscherler> so +Sep 19 09:29:08 <tscherler> input->xhmtl2/core (contracts)->output(contracts) +Sep 19 09:29:32 <rgardler> lets look at one side at a time... +Sep 19 09:29:45 <crossley> can i put my bit ... +Sep 19 09:29:51 <crossley> it relates +Sep 19 09:29:51 <tscherler> output contracts make the transformation from xhtml2 to e.g. fo or html +Sep 19 09:29:57 <rgardler> contracts(core) - they are used in core, they may be provided by an input plugin though, e.g. resume plugin has contracts that convert from resume DTD to XHTML2 +Sep 19 09:29:58 <tscherler> go ahead +Sep 19 09:30:16 <rgardler> GO ahead david +Sep 19 09:30:17 <crossley> I read somewhere else that our "contracts" not only define content, +Sep 19 09:30:30 <crossley> but also where it is placed. +Sep 19 09:30:52 <crossley> this seems to conflict with Ross' emai +Sep 19 09:30:54 <crossley> ... +Sep 19 09:31:05 <crossley> 'What does "XHTML2 as an internal document format" mean?' +Sep 19 09:31:15 <crossley> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=forrest-dev&m=112674219803048 +Sep 19 09:31:36 <rgardler> I think that is an *old* definition =. In my opinion Contracts only define content, it is the *.fv (view) that defines *where*, in other words I stick with my mail +Sep 19 09:32:01 <crossley> ah brilliant, that has eased my confusion. +Sep 19 09:32:16 <rgardler> THorsten., Tim, do we agree? +Sep 19 09:32:29 <rgardler> Sorry (cheche as well) +Sep 19 09:32:41 <twilliams_> of course, for fun, there's no reason why someone couldn't write a really big contract to take over placement too;) +Sep 19 09:32:49 <crossley> over to you guys, lets get back to thorstens summary, backreading ... +Sep 19 09:32:59 <cheche> rgardler: that is ok :-) +Sep 19 09:33:01 <twilliams_> ... yeah, i agree +Sep 19 09:33:27 <cheche> I do not if I agree because I am way behind the conversation, but I am cool to whatever you think is right. +Sep 19 09:33:46 <rgardler> Thosten? +Sep 19 09:33:49 <rgardler> Thorsten? +Sep 19 09:34:50 <tscherler> +1 +Sep 19 09:34:52 <tscherler> sorry +Sep 19 09:35:22 <tscherler> actually contracts can be found everywhere +Sep 19 09:35:31 <tscherler> that makes them so sexy ;-) +Sep 19 09:35:31 <crossley> good +Sep 19 09:36:27 <rgardler> OK, we are inagreement on input side then, contracts produce XHTML2 for consumption in the core, now lets look at the output side +Sep 19 09:36:53 <rgardler> Thorsten said : output(contracts) - please give an example of a contract that is used on the output side +Sep 19 09:37:36 <tscherler> all our current contracts are xhtml output, right? +Sep 19 09:37:40 <twilliams_> yep Propchange: forrest/events/forrest-tuesdays/20050918-log.txt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ svn:eol-style = native
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We don't see any major changes to the position that has been there for a while. The iron ore stocks are still relatively low historically, and there isn't a large amount of room available for destocking. ''That's not to say there can't be some short-term volatility but we don't see any conditions that would support a low iron ore price and certainly not for any period of time. Certainly not to the levels that some of the outliers are talking about.
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what to do with the kids this weekend: Friday, April 24 – Sunday, April 26, 2015Posted on April 23, 2015 | No CommentsBeen to the Fuller Craft Museum in Brockton? A variety of special exhibits await your discovery: www.fullercraft.org. Check out the fun events and activities at the Museum of Science in Boston: www.mos.org. Visit the New England Aquarium: www.neaq.org. Through Sunday, April 26, enjoy the Weymouth carnival at Weymouth High School. […]
What to do with the Kids: July 19th – 21st, 2013Posted on July 18, 2013 | No CommentsWeekend Events: The Pilgrims have landed….again! Don't miss the best baseball talent in the area. Check out the Plymouth Pilgrims at Forges Field in Plymouth. The next home game is Saturday July 20th against the Newport Gulls at 6:30pm. Details at www.pilgrimsbaseball.com Mass Audubon presents "Free Programs on Duxbury Beach" […]
What to do with the kids: July 29th – 31st, 2011Posted on July 28, 2011 | No CommentsOngoing Check out the many great programs offered by Ned Bangs and the Marshfield Recreation Department. Click HERE for the brochure! Take a ride on the Paragon Carousel in Hull. The carousel is open daily in the summer from 11:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., Sundays through Thursdays. On Fridays and Saturdays, […]


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Re: Will trading for Boldin change the Ravens' draft strategy?
The Ravens have already become a legit top 10 O. they led the NFL in rushing TDs last year, both top backs had 5ypc and a ton of yards and TDs. Heap and Mason put up solid #1 Wr and TE stats and Flacco was top 10 in Qb rating. They blew the Pats D away on the road.
The balance that should be there next year will make the Ravens O almost impossible to match up with.
The consistancy was not what it should have been, but the production at SD, NE and even the steeler game that slipped through Mason's fingers was proof of the potential, that should turn into much better production this year if Flacco stays healthy. The passing game last year was fine until he and Gaither got hurt. With better WRs TEs and a consistant O line ther is no reason Flacco and the O should not grow.
Re: Will trading for Boldin change the Ravens' draft strategy?
But the thing is, he SOMEHOW fell to a reachable distance to TRADE UP in the FIRST ROUND to solve that problem. But most everyone around here is fine with getting any first round pick for Gaither like we can score a guy like Oher EVERY YEAR now???? Did no one hear that if the draft was doen over, Oher might go #1 overall? Do you think that's going to make it easier to get players that can play RT and LT at a high level?
NO, these players go early and often in every draft. Basically every guy that is good in the league is a mid first round pick at the latest. We lucked out and got Gaither for a 5th round supplemental, and we LUCKED OUT getting Oher late in the first. There's plenty of Robert Gallery's out there too.
There is plenty of opporunity to lose... it's certainly not all win here.


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Despite having been released several years back, the Nike Free department has often fell to the wayside along more marketable pieces of running technology from the sportswear brand. The more minimalist and siped tooling makes a return in a short video titled "Throwdown." In it, multiple sport disciplines are highlighted in which each athlete is wearing a pair of Nike Frees.


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ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported on Friday's NFL Insiders that the Seahawks aren't surprised that running back Marshawn Lynch is currently holding out.
Mort does believe Lynch will show up at some point.
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Had to separate Yellow African before he/she get's killed..
I Have 6 Africans in a 30 high tank, Had been doing well for over 1 year, but for some reason 1 or 2 of them started ganging up on a small yellow one, I noticed they had ripped his tail fin to shreds !
So, I pulled him out, put him in a small 2 gallon octogan tank, and tossed in an antibiotic. He seems to be fine, but once his tail grows back should I just keep him in the small tank? If I put him back in the 30 they might end up killing him.......
Is doubtful the other's will leave him /her be should you return the fish to the 30 gal.
In larger tank ,they might but six cichlid's in 30 gal is a bit tight considering territorial need's of the species.
What specific species is it you have? There are a LOT of fish that fall under the collective "Aftrican" term you hear tossed around when it comes to aquarium fish. Knowing what you have will have quite a bit to do with the advice you are given.
I believe he's this one:
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Grace Life Kids are highly valued and treasured. We are dedicated to partnering with parents to help lay a strong biblical foundation for their children that will last a lifetime! Helping share the love of Jesus during the time we have with your children is a priceless opportunity we take very seriously. Unlike many children's ministries, we are not providing a babysitting or caretaker service while the adults do more important activities. We recognize that biblically our primary role is to help equip parents with the resources, tools, and support to become the primary disciple-maker of their kids. We are committed to the LEGACY JOURNEY of your entire family and want you to be as prepared as possible to fulfill the unmistakable responsibility of passing The Faith to the next generation as commanded in Deuteronomy 6:4-9:
"Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates."
Let us know how we can serve and support your family!
Saint Green Pastor of Family Discipleship (Age 5 – 5th Grade)
Brad Barnett Director of Preschool Ministries (Birth – Age 4)
Sunday Schedule:
- 9:00am
- Worship & Sunday School (1st – 5th Grade)
- K5 Sunday School (Children's Hall on 2nd Floor)
- Preschool Sunday School (Birth – 4 years, 1st floor)
- 10:45am
- Worship & Sunday School (1st – 5th Grade)
- Children's Church (in Children's Loft on 2nd Floor for 4's and 5's)
- Preschool Care (Birth – 3 years, 1st floor)
- 5:00 – 6:00pm
- Made to Worship (K5 and up; choir room)
For the safety of your child and the smooth operations of our Children's Ministry we ask all families to follow these guidelines:
Birth – 4th Grade
Parents must drop-off and pick-up kids to and from Sunday School and Children's Church. If on occasion, a person other than the parent is needed to pick-up a child, specific arrangements must be made with the class teacher.
4's and 5's
Kids will be escorted from their 9:00 am class to Children's Church by an adult leader. Parents need to pick-up your child from the Children's Loft (2nd floor) promptly after 10:45 am Worship or Sunday School class.
1st – 5th Grade
Children (and adults) need to weekly experience both the Church Worship Service and a Bible Study Class geared to their level of learning. NOTE: Kids should attend worship with their parents and attend Sunday School while their parents are in Sunday School. If parents only attend worship, it is our desire that children accompany the parents in Worship. Kids should not attend SS bothhours. (This creates challenges for our Sunday School Class leaders).
Child Protection is a Priority!
Child safety is a high priority at Grace Life! While your infant or preschooler is in our care, you will receive a pager so we can notify you immediately should the need arise. We provide training and perform background checks on every volunteer volunteer, along with clear guidelines of operation, to ensure we provide the safest environment for our children under age 18. Read our policy or print and complete forms.
Incredible Sunday School Classes
Bible study classes are offered for children at 9:00am or 10:45am and are placed in classes by age and grade to receive appropriate biblical teaching. Classrooms are staffed with loving teachers who dedicate their time and talents to teach children through Bible stories, scripture memory, games, hands on activities, mission projects, and music. Our policy is that kids (1st grade and up) attend Sunday School when their parents attend Sunday School and Worship with their parents as they attend worship.
Exciting Wednesday Grace Life Kids
On Wednesday nights, Children (4 years old – 5th grade) begin together with a dynamic worship rally then divide up into to participate in age appropriate activities…
Preschool Care (Birth – 3yr. olds): in the Preschool Area
Grace Life Kids: (Begins in the Worship Center; pick-up in the Worship Center Foyer)
- Mission Friends (Age 4's & 5's)
- GA's – Girls In Action (1st – 5th Grade)
- RA's – Royal Ambassadors (1st – 5th Grade)
Middle & High School – meet in the Student Center
Adults – Bible Study in Fireside Room, Choir Rehearsal, various Bible Studies
Sixty Six Club
This recognition club is for children & children's ministry leaders who have successfully recited from memory all 66 of the books of the Bible, in order and without assistance, to their Sunday School or Wednesday night leader. This achievement will be recognized in the Grace Life Kids Rally on Wednesday nights and will receive a certificate of recognition.
Vacation Bible School (VBS)
June 6-10, 2016 | 8:00am – 12:00pm | 4yrs old – 8th Grade
This summer, Grace Life VBS takes your kids on an adventure like no other, deep within the mysterious sea. As kids submerge themselves in God's Word, they will discover that Jesus didn't just see what's on the outside of people. He looked deep down on the inside. So go ahead: find some ocean explorers, strap on your flippers, and dive in to find truth below the surface!
Theme: "Submerged: Finding Truth Below the Surface"
VBS Motto: Jesus sees. Jesus knows. Jesus saves.
VBS Scripture: "Search me, God, and know my heart; test me and know my concerns. See if there is any offensive way in me; lead me in the everlasting way." Psalm 139:23-24
Child participants and adult volunteers, register here soon.
Kidz Kamp
WHEN: July 28-31 (Thursday 1:00pm– Sunday Noon)
WHERE: Shocco Springs Adventure Camp | Talladega, AL
WHAT: Kidz will enjoy…
- Music & Bible Study
- Air-Conditioned Cabins and The Beautiful Shocco Springs
- Camp T-shirt & Crafts
- Swimming/Aqua Park
- Exciting Recreation Activities
*Registration forms are available as a download here or at the Fireside Room Display.
Register Early and Save!
- By March 6 and pay only: $165
- By April 3 and pay only: $175
- By May 1 and pay only: $185
Multiple Child Discount (available only if you register by March 6)
- 2nd Child (-$25)
- 3rd Child (-$50)
- 4th Child (-$75), etc.
WHY: Grace Life Kidz Kamp provides an opportunity for children to enjoy God's amazing creation, time with friends, some great activities…but mostly it's about learning and growing to love Jesus Christ with all their heart, soul and might. (Deut. 6)
- Limited space available, so register early!
- Multiple child discount available if registered BY MARCH 6.
- A Required Parents Meeting will be held prior to Kamp answering all your questions and helping you maximize the Kamp experience for your child. Two options at 12:30pm in the Student Center: Sunday, July 17 or Sunday, July 24.
- Van transportation will be provided from Grace Life to Shocco & back.
- One adult leader for every five children
Contact Saint Green (428-1786) for more information or if you would like to serve as an adult leader.
2016 Community-Wide Annual Events
- Easter Egg Hunt – Saturday, March 26 at 11:00am
- Back to School Bash – Wednesday, August 17 at 6:30pm
- Pumpkin Patch – October 15-16 and 22-23
M2W Kids
Each semester, children (K5 – 5th grade), who have a desire to learn about leading worship and develop their talents, participate in this ministry. While participants primarily focus on singing, there are occasional opportunities to play percussion instruments and participate in drama. Register or get more information.


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Lindsey Smith
Lindsey Smith is a Research Associate with the Cutler Institute. She has extensive research and clinical expertise in the area of physical and behavioral health, with a particular focus on vulnerable populations and substance use disorders. Most of Lindsey's research and evaluation work has focused on macro-level issues and has been designed to help systems reduce illness burden as well as healthcare utilization and costs. Much of her recent evaluation work has explored and evaluated models of integrated care and understanding mechanisms of practice transformation during quality improvement or program implementation. She also has extensive research and clinical experience in the area of substance use disorders (SUD) and behavioral health with a specific emphasis on SUD in older adults. Lindsey has extensive experience designing and managing program evaluations at the state and federal levels. Her education and training has focused on a mixed-methods approach using both qualitative and quantitative research methods. Her expertise includes process and outcome evaluations, survey methodology, program monitoring, secondary data analysis, multivariate analysis, and psychometrics. Lindsey's current research portfolio includes evaluating the integration of a dementia screening into primary care practice; monitoring the implementation of Maine's health homes program; evaluating training for primary care providers on the integration of screening for substance use disorders in primary care settings; and identifying enhancements to Maine's model for projecting long-term care expenditures and use.
Lindsey earned a BA degree in Criminology with a minor in Social Welfare Policy from the University of New Mexico (UNM) in 2000. Upon completion of her undergraduate studies, she worked at the Institute for Social Research (ISR), Center for Applied Research and Analysis at UNM, where she worked on a variety of projects aimed at evaluating substance abuse and criminal justice programs including the National Institute of Justice Arrestee Drug Abuse Monitoring Project, a statewide evaluation of juvenile drug courts, and an evaluation of New Mexico drunk driving initiatives. In 2002, she left ISR to pursue her graduate education at the University of Pittsburgh were she received a master's (2004) and doctorate (2009) in Social Work with a specialization in Gerontology. As a result of her work on substance use disorders among geriatric populations, Lindsey was awarded the John A. Hartford Foundation Doctoral Fellowship (2007 – 2009) administered by the Gerontological Society of America. Lindsey's doctoral thesis examined the effects of the concurrent use of alcohol and medications on the physical and mental health of community-dwelling older adults. After receiving her doctorate, Lindsey was an Advanced Fellow in Mental Health Research at the Mental Illness Research Education and Clinical Center (MIRECC), VA Pittsburgh Healthcare System, where she focused on research with older veterans with comorbid substance abuse disorders. She received additional post-doctoral training in health services research as a fellow at the Center for Health Equity Research and Promotion (CHERP), VA Pittsburgh Healthcare System.


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