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How Lightning Safety Practices Differ in Wind Energy, Sports and Construction Applications
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1 How Lightning Safety Practices Differ in Wind Energy, Sports and Construction Applications Don Leick, Director of Product Management, Telvent DTN Introduction Lightning safety concerns and practices can differ considerably in different applications. The response to the same thunderstorm by a wind farm, a construction company, and a baseball team can be quite different. This paper will compare and contrast real-world concerns and practices of wind farms, collegiate athletics, and the construction industry. This includes differing lightning notification times, considerations for resuming activity, and risk profiles. It will also include discussion of special factors such as the pressure to resume activity when fans are present. Some possible reasons for differences are provided, along with some recommendations to improve the adoption of safety practices and tools in commercial applications, and reduce the risk of death or severe injury from lightning. Telvent DTN has years of experience providing lightning safety tools to most of the leading wind farm operators and turbine manufacturers in the US, several hundred American colleges and universities, and is the leading provider of specialized weather services for construction in the US. This experience will provide the basis for discussing actual issues and practices in these safety applications. Lightning Notification Procedure This paper assumes the availability of best-practice tools: an effective national lightning detection network and the ability to communicate that lightning danger directly to the affected people. This communication can occur via a text message, which can also trigger an audible alarm on the phone. This paper further assumes a best practice procedure as follows: 1. An Advisory notification when lightning is in the area but not close enough to require evacuation. This enables the affected parties to begin necessary preparations, be aware of the need to diligently watch for a warning, or avoid starting activities that may increase risk. 2. A Warning notification when suspension of activities must occur and a safe location must be sought. 3. An All-clear notification when there has been no lightning within the area for a prescribed period of time.
2 The distance that one sets for the advisory and warning notifications varies based primarily on how long it takes to evacuate, that is, how long it takes to suspend activities and reach safety. Overview of the Different Applications Three different common lightning applications have been selected to illustrate how different lightning safety practices can be-- even when using the same lightning safety tools. Following is a brief description of each to help understand the risk with each application. Then the applications will be compared and contrasted. The three applications discussed are: 1. Wind farms: This primarily involves maintenance workers up in the turbine. The height of the wind turbine increases lightning strike risk. The long time it takes to get down from the tower also increases risk, and increases the needed evacuation time. 2. Construction: Of special concern are cranes and cement boom trucks, but the risk applies to any construction worker, especially those at heights, such as roofers. 3. Collegiate athletics: This involves any outdoor sports, both for the safety of participants and fans: baseball, track & field, football, and so on. Each of these safety applications will be discussed further, as follows. Wind farm safety Wind farms are booming worldwide. With that is a booming need to keep maintenance workers safe. Wind turbines are notoriously high-maintenance, and on any given day a maintenance crew will typically be up in the turbine (the nacelle or turbine housing) at the top, or hub, of a tower. The turbine is typically 80 meters (over 250 feet) above ground. This poses a special lightning risk in two ways: 1) The towers are also essentially large lighting rods. There is even some suspicion that turbines are even more prone to lightning strikes than other structures of similar height. 2) The evacuation time the towers represents is also significant. The turbine is reached by steep winding stairs inside the tower. When a worker needs to evacuate, typically it can take up to 20 minutes to get down, with equipment & safety harnesses involved, and into the safety of their truck. Further some operations want employees out of the wind farm entirely due to possible danger of turbine blades exploding when struck by lightning. So the lead time required here is significant. There is also the factor that it is inefficient and tiring to start and stop and work when you have to climb such a tower. So turbine
3 maintenance workers really want to avoid having to suspend work but at the same time are acutely sensitive to the lightning danger and will suspend work immediately if needed. Here are typical wind farm lightning alert procedures 1 : Notification range: 50 miles. Workers will go up in the turbines (will not start work) when lightning is within 50 miles of the wind farm. Warning (evacuation) range: 30 miles. Stop work in turbines and come down. All clear range and time: 50 miles and 15 minutes. Work in turbines can resume when there has been no lightning within this time distance for 15 minutes. The lightning safety risk at wind farms is widely known. The use of lightning safety measures is widespread. We believe most US wind farm maintenance organizations have lightning safety tools and similar practices as described here. Construction safety Especially as we look ahead to spring and summer, lightning can be a serious risk for exposed construction crews. Work is often occurring in open areas, such road construction and excavation. Roofing and high rise construction crews are also at increased risk due to heights. Operators of tall equipment, such as cranes and cement pumps, are at additional risk. This equipment often has an open cab leaving the operator exposed and vulnerable to lightning. The National Lightning Safety Institute recommends that construction workers be aware of the threat when lightning is miles from the site, and suspend activities and evacuate when lightning is within 10 miles 2. However, from our experience there are relatively few risk management guidelines. Most construction companies do not have standard lightning safety policies. However, typically the larger the organization, the greater the awareness and the greater the likelihood that the organization has standard safety practices and tools. Collegiate Athletics Clearly outdoor athletics pose a greater risk for lightning. You have open athletic venues with light poles, flagpoles, metal fences and little or no shelter. Baseball dugouts don t provide lightning protection for players as they are not fully enclosed. Open, metal bleachers are contributing factors to the lightning risk for fans. For lightning evacuation, the NCAA uses a standard warning of an 8 mile radius for all Outdoor Spring/Fall Regional and Championship events (such as baseball or track & field tournaments). Since the time it takes to get to safety into a bus, car, or inside a
4 stadium - the 8 mile radius is generally a good distance. Golf events or large spectator crowds may require a longer evacuation time which would mandate a larger warning radius. A 30-minute all-clear time is the standard operating procedure (play can resume when there has been no lightning within 8 miles for 30 minutes). The adoption of lightning safety procedures and best practices in collegiate athletics is a priority and top concern for administration. Compare and Contrast Here is a compare and contrast view of the risk and practices in the different applications: Application Lightning risk Safety Tool Adoption Advisory range Warning (evacuation) range All clear range & time Wind farms Very high Very high miles 30 miles 50 miles, 15 minutes Construction High Low Varies Varies Varies Collegiate Athletics High Moderate to High Varies. 15 miles is common 8 miles 8 miles, 30 minutes Here are a few observations on the practices. Evacuation time should drive the warning range, and it does. For example, wind farms have a long evacuation time (up to 20 minutes) and thus a long warning range. Another factor is the size of some wind farms, which can be up to 25 miles. Athletics often have a short evacuation time, though not always, and thus have a much shorter warning range. One rule of thumb for warning range is to start with 6 miles and add a mile for each 2 minutes of evacuation time needed (thus never less than 7 miles). This rule of thumb starts with the fact that the National Weather Service recommends you already be to safety when lightning is within 6 miles. And secondly, the average thunderstorm travels at about 25 miles per hour (almost a half mile per minute). When the all clear range is larger the all clear time can be shorter.
5 Why does one see such a large variation in the adoption of lightning safety tools, if the above is an accurate assessment? Following is some speculation on the reasons for the some of the differences in adoption of best tools and practices. The lightning danger in wind farms is obvious. Even the wind turbines themselves are carefully designed to mitigate damage from lightning. So the personnel risk and the need to reduce that risk seems to be widely understood. Also, often the organizations that have personnel at wind farms are large, sophisticated companies. They recognize the need to watch out for their employees well being and they understand the potential litigation costs if their employees are killed or injured by lightning. While not as great a risk as wind farms, Construction companies still have significant risk, but generally seem to have little concern about lightning safety. Wind farms and construction companies are both commercial entities -- why the great difference? Our speculation is that it is primarily an awareness issue. Construction companies appear to have less awareness of the risk and lower acceptance of the tools available to mitigate risk. Collegiate athletics have historically had good awareness of lightning danger. The NCAA has communicated the risk well 3. The long held and widely known threat of lightning on golf courses may also help. Also, athletic trainers play a key role. Here you have trained professionals on site at the events whose primary job is the health and welfare of the athletes. NATA, the National Athletic Trainer Association, has done a good job of promoting lightning safety practices with athletics trainers 4. What has been sometimes lacking is the corresponding awareness of what to do about the lightning risk. The 30/30 flash bang method, has severe limitations. Frequently you will not be able to hear lightning when it is closer than 8 miles (depending on wind direction and terrain). And one can make mistakes when correlating the thunder to the right flash. So the availability of lightning safety tools and practices can improve safety. One of the benefits of a lighting safety tool is having a non-subjective standard for making suspend/resume decisions. There can be great pressure from coaches, officials or fans to not suspend play. Similarly there can be pressure to resume play prematurely. Having a standard practice and an objective means to make those decisions can be invaluable. This helps take some of the personnel pressure off the trainer, and may be a factor in adoption too. Overall Conclusions and Recommendations Here are some general conclusions that perhaps can be drawn: 1. The awareness of risk is important in whether lightning safety tools are adopted. 2. The awareness of tools is also important. If the risk is known, but its believed little can be done about that risk, you will see low adoption.
6 3. Having a safety professional involved helps adoption greatly. No tool or practice can provide 100% lightning safety, but here are some recommendations to improve lightning safety in the applications discussed in this paper, and in commercial lightning safety applications in general: For lightning safety organizations: 1. Promote the effectiveness of lightning detection networks and alerting tools. Often merely the flash/bang (count) method is cited to determine how near lightning is and to gage the risk. Safety organization recommendations today are lagging the technology and best practices for lightning safety. 2. Provide standard specific recommendations for advisory ranges, warning ranges and all clear times for different safety applications. Construction companies or universities should not have to determine these themselves. These recommendations should be based on sound scientific research, such as the typical speed of thunderstorms and the unpredictability of the specific location of lightning strokes from a cell. While some applications, such as wind farms and collegiate athletics, have usually developed good approximate guidelines, more standardized guidelines would help speed adoption of lightning safety tools, and help ensure they are being properly used. For end-user organizations: 3. Take advantage of modern lightning safety tools, and have a standard for employees for advisory ranges, warning ranges and all clear times that is appropriate for the application. Make it known in advance that the standard will be adhered to if lightning occurs, so there is no debate later when prompt action needs to be taken. REFERENCES 1 Don Leick, Telvent DTN, Safety Issues that Impact Wind Farms, m 2 National Lightning Safety Institute, Lightning Safety for Outdoor Workers, NCAA Sports Medicine Handbook, Guideline 1d Lightning Safety, pages 13-15
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i made some similar gnomes for my kiddos last year and they love them. so, don't feel you have to enter me in your fab giveaway, though sienna did catch a glimpse over my shoulder and squealed with glee over the rainbow-ness of them. ;) just wanted you to know that i linked to your giveaway and that i am having one, too. it's contagious really. :)
I found you from the Ravelry Group "Waldorf Mamas"! I will go find you on Facebook next!
These gnomes are so cute- my son would love them- he is always requesting "gnomey-sized" serves of soup at Kindy. :)
If I would happen to win- could you please contact me via my Ravelry email- my name there is Twirlygig. Thank you ever so much!
Blessings and congratulations on your very first giveaway!I'm coming back for my second chance to win ;) And LOVE today's post...I was given 2 books by Sark in my late 20's and cannot tell you how much they were needed at that time! Without her I may never have met my Love and have the life I have today :) I am not quite as succulent as I should be lately though..you've inspired me to fix that!
ReplyDeleteMe again ;) I have a little fairy that would love to have something this colorful to play with. Oh, and thanks for the link for the mermaids you made for the party a few links back. I'm off the the craft store today to get some supplies to make a few for my daughter. Considering she wants a mermaid theme room (not Ariel, just mermaid), she should love playing with them!
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Hi, I just happened upon your king and queen colorful (rainbow?) gnomes. My son is in 1st grade at Shepherd Valley Waldorf School in Niwot, Colorado. Some of the other parents and I are trying to decide on the gift that will be handed out to each child during the first grade portion of our Halloween Journey. Is there a pattern to these cute guys available?? Would you be willing to guide us possibly? We need to make about 300, and have a budget of $80-100. There are lots of creative parents, willing to give lots of their time. Thank you in advance for any info that you might provide to us! Shanda Roberson
ReplyDelete Shanda...the pattern I used is the one from Wee Folk Art...it's free on their website. The peg people are ordered from stockade, (stockade.ca)...they were about 25 cents apiece...very reasonable. The one thing I do that I'm not sure they do on Wee Folk Art is glue gun the hats to the head, and I also put a bit of glue on their bodies, to hold on the felt. That's about it!
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You can't live with 'em; you can't live without 'em.
There's something irresistable-ish about 'em.
A development often used in buddy films and romantic comedy. One person, often a loner-type, is paired off with someone else against his/her will.
He can't stand the person/situation and wishes for his old routine. When he gets his old routine back, he suddenly realizes he misses that person a lot and does everything in his power to get her back. Usually, happens when a bickering pair become Vitriolic Best Buds, or generate an Aww, Look! They Really Do Love Each Other situation, whether it's a fraternal sort of love among buddies, or romantic love.
Sometimes subverted to "Can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em".
See also Odd Couple.
Compare We Want Our Jerk Back (when the resident Deadpan Snarker's presence is sorely missed), Belligerent Sexual Tension.
There's something irresistable-ish about 'em.
— Rowlf the Dog, "I Hope That Somethin' Better Comes Along", The Muppet Movie
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Anime and Manga
- This is pretty much a staple of Rumiko Takahashi's works.
- Urusei Yatsura: Ataru constantly chases all girls other than Lum. Yet whenever Lum disappears from his life, he'll instantly drop his perverted maneuvers and go to great lengths to get her back. That doesn't stop him from immediately resuming his lecherous ways the moment she's safely back.
- Ranma ½ has Ranma and Akane. Once he had disappeared she was depressed and cried when she thought nobody was looking. When Ranma thought Akane was dead after touching one of the Saffron's devices, he was completely apathetic and emotionless.
- InuYasha: Pretty much the same example as the above for InuYasha and Kagome. All they ever do is fight, mostly leading to Kagome storming off after a massive sit. However, anytime they're seperated for too long, all Kagome can think about is InuYasha, while InuYasha will be unbearable to be around until Kagome's back. And in any fight, they will put themselves in any kind of danger to save the other (which more than half the fight is of InuYasha taking all those moutain busters to keep everyone else safe).
- Axis Powers Hetalia has several examples though most predominantly would be England and France. The two have known each other since the beginning of time and despite all of their bickering, they are quick to defend the other when a third party intervenes.
- Another example is Spain and Romano, who actually did live together for a while. Despite Romano constantly referring to Spain as a 'tomato bastard' the two do look out for each other.
- Full Metal Panic!. Kaname Chidori spends every waking moment berating Sousuke for whatever screw-up he made. The second he is redeployed and out of her life for good, she suffers bouts of depression, paranoia, and a horrible sense of insecurity. Of course, she was being marked for death at the time, which makes this a literal case of "Can't live without him."
- Every third waking moment. She spends a similar mount of time trying to prevent and/or renumerate his messups. The remaining time is spent dreading what will happen next.
- She was also pretty moody when Sousuke was called away for a long mission to Helmajistan ("The Wind Blows at Home, Part 1-3"), even sitting outside his apartment until he returned.
- Mazinger Z: For all what argue when they are together -and claim they don't need each other-, Kouji and Sayaka tend to lose it when they are apart.
- Midori Days. Midori becomes Seiji's right hand and remains this way for the majority of the series. Eventually in the manga, however, Seiji does become quite capable of living with Midori and acknowledges this, although she ends up disappearing anyway.
- Neon Genesis Evangelion. So very very true with Shinji and Asuka. Up to the point that Shinji ends the world when he discovers' Unit 02, and probably Asuka's half-eaten corpses as he just arrived to try and save her. The series ends with Shinji and Asuka looking out over a devastated earth, as the last two people in existence and the firs two people in the new world..
- Word of God said she returned together with him because -despite of how much they had hurt each other- he did not want living in a world with no Asuka.
- Rozen Maiden. The protagonist just wants to be left alone, and he hates little kids. Before you can blink, he's got a small army of childlike, living dolls hanging out in his room, one of whom enjoys ordering him around like a servant, while the rest tend to merely be noisy with a penchant for wanton property damage. Of course, in the end, when they all leave, it gets rather lonely all of a sudden... Fortunately, they're only gone for 'bout half an hour.
- Bludgeoning Angel Dokuro-chan. This trope occurs despite the fact that the titular character spends most of her time "accidentally" killing the male lead and then reversing the process, (and that's "accidentally" with a large helping of sadistic glee).
- In The Wallflower manga, womanizer Ranmaru tries to get out of a date with a sweet, timid girl, as he prefers assertive women. Of course, after he succeeds, he realizes that he actually likes her.
- The morning after Morinaga takes advantage of a doped-up Souichi in The Tyrant Falls in Love, the extremely homophobic Souichi attempts to murder Morinaga, and yells that he doesn't want to see his face again. When Morinaga takes his declaration to heart and disappears from his home and university for weeks, Souichi predictably falls apart. Of course, with his tsunderish personality, his first action upon seeing Morinaga back is to punch him hard and scream at him for hiding himself for so long.
- Kyon from the Haruhi Suzumiya series constantly, constantly complains, rants and grumps about Haruhi and the SOS Brigade. In the 4th novel of the series, he is finally freed from Haruhi and the SOS Brigade, only to realize that he actually misses Haruhi. Or just the "weird events", who knows... After a Red Pill, Blue Pill decision, he returns.
- He never stops his cynical snarking, but he seems to see Haruhi in a different light (and appreciates her good deeds). He also does stand to his decision, repeatedly saying that he "wanted to be here", creating a True Companions-like relationship.
- Sakura's relationship with Naruto.
- Eva from Monster spends a good bit of time plotting to make Tenma's life a living hell (getting him imprisoned and such), although every now and again she'll remember that she loves him and beg him to come back to her. She broke up with him, incidentally.
- In the Jdrama, Nobuta Wo Produce, Shuji says he hates Akira, but the two are actually very good friends. Maybe too good...?
- In Zettai Heiwa Daisakusen: Euda is stuck in an awkward love-hate relationship with her 'fiance', Johanne, although she herself ain't fully aware of her feelings...
- In XXX Holic, Watanuki is normally extremely frustrated with Yuuko, and keeps yelling that he can't stand the way she is. And then... she disappears, and he completely breaks down, tears and all, revealing exactly how important Yuko had become to him. This results in him getting extremely depressed, and making a pact to wait for her in the shop forever, never aging, and never being able to leave, until she comes back to him. He even takes on some her traits like smoking from her pipe, and dressing in her extravagant clothes, as if he's trying to cling onto whatever he's got left of her.
- Natsu and Gray, from Fairy Tail. They pretty much complain and fight but do admit to themselves they respect the other. Heck in the Galua Island arc when Gray twice tries to use Ice Shell, a spell that will turn the user into ice to trap their opponents. Natsu stops him both times spelling out that he doesn't want Gray to die.
- Yuuri and Wolfram in Kyo Kara Maoh!. Yuuri spends the first two seasons trying to back out in an engagement that he accidentally caused in the second episode when Yuuri first enters the other word. Both of them hate the idea at first but Wolfram accepts his role as he constantly tries to get Yuuri to accept his as his husband. Yuuri constantly plots breaking the marriage on multiple occasions but always fails because Yuuri simply doesn't understand the demon world. However, the small things that piss Yuuri off at the beginning of the series, which range from Wolfram calling him "Wimp" (this was originally his Berserk Button at the beginning when the two argued each other) and Wolfram going everywhere declaring himself the spouse of Yuuri and accusing him of Yuuri cheating on him with every girl he meets. However, as the series goes on, the small things that annoyed Yuuri at the beginning is met with indifference as he slowly gives up on trying to break up the engagement. However, once season 3 hits and Wolfram calls the engagement off, this actually shocks Yuuri to the point where he works to get Wolfram back and then finally declares that he's not allowed to break it off. This is a sign that Yuuri is still confused with his feelings for Wolfram but won't let him design things on his own. Shortly after though, they fall right back into the roll.
- In Wild Rose, Kiri and Mikhail don't get along initially and like to anger the other. Since Kiri literally can't live without Mikhail because he otherwise loses his sanity around humans, they are stuck together. Over time they both come to appreciate each other in spite of their differences and in the end Mikhail hesitantly admits "You are necessary to me" in response to Kiri's Love Confession.
- In Super Dimension Fortress Macross/Robotech, Misa Hayase/Lisa Hayes despises cadet pilot Hikaru Ichijo/Rick Hunter, and he returns her contempt...yet when she thinks for a moment he was killed in a Valkyrie/Veritech hit, she panics, and later when she's threatened by a Zentraedi, Hikaru/Rick berserks. When Cadet Ichijo/Hunter becomes Lt. Ichijo/Hunter and then begins to rise up the ranks, the tension gets worse because they're always encountering each other...and discovering to their dismay that they work well together. Pretty much everybody that knew them saw what was happening before they did, though.
- Tomoe and Nanami from Kamisama Kiss. Tomoe is a Kitsune that has been forced to serve Nanami against his will and is typically very rude and condescending towards her. Nanami thinks he's a Jerk Ass in return. However, should anything happen to Nanami he freaks and should another man take interest in her watch out. Meanwhile, Nanami hasn't bothered to hide the fact that she has developed feelings for Tomoe.
- 3-gatsu no Lion has a downplayed variant of this. Due to his past, Rei's very persistent in living independently. He's also reluctant to get close to the Kawamoto family, despite their willingness to welcome him into their home, and will sometimes abstain from visiting when he has the choice. However, when he returns to his apartment after staying in their house and living with them for several days due to sickness, he's become much more aware of how empty and quiet his own place is.
Rei: "That house is like a kotatsu. When you go inside, it's so warm it feels like you're about to melt...But when you leave, you'll be reminded that your everyday life that felt fine before is freezing cold."
- Light Yagami of Death Note seems to have this relationship with L to some degree. He spends much of their time together monologuing about how much he hates L and how many of L's strange quirks drive him crazy, until he actually manages to kill L. After that... Light doesn't hate him anywhere near so much, and even seems to miss him to some degree.
- Not only that, but L is the person Light sees standing by his side as he's dying.
- Mahiro from Haiyore! Nyarko-san gets easily annoyed by how clingy and off-the-wall his alien Pretty Freeloaders Nyarko, Cuuko, and Hasta are, but in the finales of both TV series he gets a harsh reminder of what life would be without them. In the first season finale, he's put in a "Last Man on Earth" situation and realizes how lonely he is; in the second, the trio is about to be reassigned away from Earth, and hearing a heartbroken Nyarko say "Does this mean I have to leave Mahiro forever?" makes him realize that he's about to lose them for good. After the latter situation is resolved, Mahiro remarks "I get the feeling you three will always find a way to stick around me," but it's obvious he views that as a good thing.
- Jeremy and Ian from A Cruel God Reigns. Jeremy tells Ian that he needs to see him because Ian is the only one to know that he is a murderer and why he did it. To the point that when they do not see each other Jeremy just about loses it. Additionally, Ian, though knowing their relationship is not a healthy one, cannot focus his studies or anything else when Jeremy does not see him.
- In one episode of Samurai Pizza Cats, Francine comments, "Tomcats! You can't live with them, and you can't throw them down a well and drown them!"
- In Yugami-kun ni wa Tomodachi ga Inai, this is more or less how the baseball team feels about their pitcher Yugami. In a slight twist, Yugami is both the loner and the person that others have to put up with, instead of the other way around. Most of his teammates can't stand him due to his personality but they rely heavily on him to win because Yugami is The Ace.
- Subverted by Emo Philips:
Women: You can't live with them, and you can't get them to dress up in a skimpy little Nazi costume and beat you with a warm squash or something.
Comic Books
- In one arc of Peanuts, Lucy and Linus move out of town and Schroeder finds that he can't play his music without Lucy present.
Schroeder: Don't tell me I've grown accustomed to THAT face!
- Cable & Deadpool: Can't stand him, can't bodyslide without him.
Cable: For two people who say they don't need each other, both of us keep doing a lot of stupid things to try and stay together.
- Garfield and Odie.
- Hinted at with Calvin and Susie.
- Spider Jerusalem: "Editors. Can't live with 'em, and the mass grave by my compound is getting full."
- Halo: Blood Line: The Covenant warrior Thon 'Talamee is constantly annoyed by his younger foolish brother Reff, but has protected him from harm all his life in the belief that Reff is destined for greatness. Unfortunately for him, Reff doesn't return his affection, and thinks of his brother's care as condescending. When Reff decides to turn on the Covenant, Thon tries to stop him, but Reff kills him first.
Fan Works
- A Crown of Stars: This was Shinji and Asuka's relationships state at the beginning of the story: they were so damaged and traumatized that they failed to open up and make a connection; and at the same time neither of them would think of leaving because they thought that no one else in the world would be able to understand their pain, and they could not stand to be apart.
- Advice and Trust: Subverted. Gendo thinks his son and Asuka's relationship consists of Shinji being infatuated with her and dependent on her despite of her abusing him and detesting him. He is very wrong. They used to fight and need each other simultaneously, but they got over the "Can't live with them" part when he was not paying attention.
- Calvin and Socrates fit this role quite well in Calvin and Hobbes: The Series.
- The Child of Love: While watching the fireworks durin the Obon festival Shinji and Asuka talk and realize even if they often argue and fight and find each others attitude and behaviour exasperating and overbearing they really like each other and would hate being apart.
- Sherlock Holmes and Beth Lestrade in "Dynamics of a Point": Holmes can't handle Beth's independence, and Beth can't live with his need for control. But she also makes it tear-jerkingly clear that leaving him will be painful. He tries to say something along the same lines, and ends up telling her that she shouldn't think he'll be glad to see her go.
- Evangelion 303: Since they met Shinji and Asuka had became very co-dependent on each other. However, when Asuka's started to fall apart their relationship became very abusive for several weeks. And still, even though Asuka claimed that she hated everything and Shinji got emotionally hurt constantly, neither of them ever thought of breaking up. Put simply, neither of them thinks they they can possibly being happy without each other.
- Ghosts of Evangelion:
- Shinji and Asuka argue a lot but they are unable to live without each other. It was repeatedly shown, stated and ultimately and literally proved: Shinji died barely three days after his wife.
- In a discarded chapter Asuka told Misato that Shinji could survive without her, but the opposite isn't true.
- When Asuka has to babysit Ryuko for first time she is gloomy because Shinji is in a business trip. She mutters that he usually pisses her off, but when he is gone she feels very lonely.
Asuka: (shrugging) I can barely stand that idiot most days, but when he's gone
- When Asuka passes away in 2080, Shinji dies shortly after. Sixty-five years of arguments, fights and reconciliations and he could not live three days without her.
- HERZ: Shinji and Asuka had greatly hurt each other and yet they could not live without each other. Asuka never stopped loving Shinji, not matter what she said or did. Shinji never wanted another woman, and when he thought Asuka was leaving and she hated him he was so grief-stricken that he tried to kill himself.
- Once More with Feeling: While Shinji sleeps for first time -again- in Misato's apartment, he recalls that sometimes he begged for someone -anyone- getting Asuka out of there... and now he feels terribly alone without her, he misses her and he needs her.
- Scar Tissue:
- Shinji and Asuka developed a co-dependent relationship during the series, but the war against the Angels and the Third Impact scarred their minds further. Due to Shinji's actions Asuka abused him constantly and Shinji was torn between blaming himself and resenting her. However, Shinji refused being apart of Asuka, and as soon as Asuka thought that she could lose him or never see him again, she was utterly terrified and mortified and stopped abusing him.
- In one scene, Fuyutsuki modifies the sentence:
Fuyutsuki:"Can't live with them, can't successfully control the Armageddon without them."
- The Second Try: Shinji and Asuka. This was apparent in the series to everybody except them, but in the fanfic they became aware of the fact during the After the End chapters (and Asuka is particularly hit hard by it). When one of them is missing, the another gets worried and upset. When they are neither talking to each other nor sleeping together cause a fight, they miss each other. And both are terrified of the possibility of breaking up and going separate ways after a dispute.
- Thousand Shinji: When they met, Shinji and Asuka fought and argued for weeks. Soon it was evident, though, that they were unable to live without each other. When one of them was hurt, the other crumbled down.
- In Children of an Elder God, Shinji is this to Asuka. Sometimes he drives her mad, and sometimes he makes her happier than nobody ever. In chapter 16:
"Sometimes you drive me nuts. But then you do something that changes my mind, like dancing wonderfully. I had a lot of fun tonight, Shinji."
- In Neon Genesis Evangelion: Genocide, Shinji and Asuka argued a lot... but when she was in a coma, Shinji thought that he didn't mind Asuka called him names because it meant she was fine.
A part of him thought it was ridiculous questionsaying that he missed Asuka was like saying that he missed having a toothache. But another part, the part surprised at the look on her face earlier, the part that had pushed him into that tunnel when the Angel was descending into Central Dogma, knew that he did miss her, very badly.
Suddenly, even the silence reminded him she was gone. - Last Child of Krypton: At the beginning of the story Asuka complained about Shinji constantly, but whenever he was missing, she was restless and worried.
Films — Animated
- In Shrek, the titular ogre has this happen after he rescues the princess, when he believes she can't care for him because he's an ogre. He receives the deed to his swamp and returns to it, but feels very empty inside. Eventually, Donkey makes him realize he does love the princess. Cue a rush to beat her Wedding Deadline to Lord Farquaad.
- The Land Before Time, Despite constantly complaining about them, Cera seems to genuinely value her friends.
Films — Live-Action
- My Fair Lady: Henry and Eliza seem to have this problem.
- Taken very literally in Die Hard with a Vengeance, wherein John McClane finds his new sidekick obnoxious, Zeus (said sidekick) despises him in return, but quite literally cannot live without him as the evil mastermind has set traps that he demands they solve together.
- Hello, Dolly!: After Dolly Levi has spent the whole movie trying to maneuver Horace into marriage, he angrily tells her that he 'wouldn't marry (her) if she were the last woman on earth!', she promptly bids him "So Long, Dearie". Cue Horace grousing to himself the very next morning about how he doesn't need her, what a horrible woman she is, he'd never do it, etc. It's clear to the audience that he's firmly in this trope, as he proposes to her the moment she comes back.
- The Muppet Movie has a song called "I Hope That Something Better Comes Along", sung by Kermit and Rowlf and referring to Miss Piggy (and, by extension, women in general). It opens with the lines, "You can't live with 'em / You can't live without 'em..."
- The Miss Congeniality sequel plays with this trope in the following exchange:
Sam Fuller: Men. You can't live with 'em, you can't...(beat)Sam Fuller: ... no, that's pretty much it.Gracie Hart: Yeah.
- C-3PO and R2-D2 throughout the original Star Wars trilogy.
- The Shining has this theme throughout, especially in Jack's actions after about halfway through the movie. Accentuated in Jack's conversation with a ghostly bartender about halfway through, in which the bartender echoes this trope.
- Jokingly subverted by Tom Arnold's Gib in True Lies: "Women. Can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em."
- In Planes, Trains and Automobiles, Neal Page keeps trying in vain to lose Del Griffith. When he finally does, he finds he actually misses Del's company and ends up going back to invite Del to come home with him.
- Cruelly played with in Gone Girl. Nick wants to leave his controlling, emotionally empty wife, Amy. However, Amy sets things up to where Nick practically begs her to come back, because he would go to prison and possibly face the death penalty for her murder, which Amy fakes to set Nick up. In the end, Amy comes back and makes this trope clear to Nick, much to his and his twin sister's horror.
- In the Discworld novels, Granny Weatherwax is less than thrilled with having to take part in a witch's coven, not least of all because the maiden of the coven, Magrat, keeps annoying her by being a Genre Blind Wide-Eyed Idealist. Yet, when Magrat leaves the coven after Lords and Ladies she grows despondent with the whole thing since she hasn't got anyone to boss around or quarrel with, which sets in motion the events of Maskerade.
- In a meeting of all the local witches, it's noted that Granny "couldn't be having with other witches, and certainly couldn't be having with Nanny Ogg, who was her best friend."
- Somewhere in the Star Wars Expanded Universe, Mara Jade tells her husband Luke: "Sometimes I can't stand you, and I love you for it." Awwwwww.
- Sunny Randall has this relationship with her ex-husband Richie, and though they've divorced they still see each other and have hooked up a few times since the divorce, to the detriment of both of their other relationships.
- Interview with the Vampire sees this trope reflected in the relationship between Lestat and Louis. They live together and share a quasi-romantic relationship for like seventy years— during which Louis constantly complains about how much he despises Lestat, and Lestat insults and denigrates Louis. Expanded upon in The Vampire Lestat.
- Fisk seems to have this relationship with Michael in the Knight and Rogue Series (Michael is too sweet to not stand Fisk). He spends his time alternating between griping about Michaels naive, cheerful, chivalrous attitude, and fretting about Michael's wellbeing. Acording to Michael, Fisk will try to protect him from anything from the noose to chills, all while being insultingly sarcastic.
- Sisterhood Series by Fern Michaels: This seems to happen between the Vigilantes and their boyfriends. In one book, Jack Emery makes a comment about women and how you can't live with them and you can't live without them. A short time later, Nikki Quinn makes a comment about men and how you can't live with them and you can't live without them. At least the feeling is mutual!
- A darker twist on this appears in Thérèse Raquin where Thérèse and Laurent find Thérèse's husband Camille to be more of a roadblock than anything, but once he's dead they find that being constantly haunted by his memory is far, far worse.
- Haplo and Alfred from Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman's Deathgate Cycle due to not only being from different fantasy races but also having completely contradictive personalities.
- Sasha and Daichi end up like this in Greek Ninja.
- Karal uses this trope to get out of what could have been a very uncomfortable conversation in Storm Breaking. After Altra tells him about Firesong's near-fall into insanity (specifically, that Firesong was close to injuring/killing Karal), Karal deflects any questions from Firesong about what made him look odd with the line:
Cats. You can't live with them, and the fur's too thin for a rug.
Live Action TV
- In Dexter, the title character says of his adopted sister who crashed at his place for a while after some troubles: "Can't live with her, can't kill her." As Dexter happens to be a serial killer, the second half of the phrase takes on a different meaning. He was joking though because he is "rather fond" of her.
- Scrubs:
- Dr. Kelso initially couldn't stand his wife's snoring. She got the operation, but (this being Scrubs) only exacerbated the problem. Cue this trope:
Kelso: Here's the twist. Now, whenever she goes out of town, I can't fall asleep without the sound of that gasping, wheezing woman lying right next to me. Trust me. If I ever met a Japan air stewardess who snores like Enid, I'd marry her tomorrow.- Dr. Cox and his ex-wife Jordan have this sort of relationship. Both are snarky, jerkass misanthropes who can't stand each other...and it's made abundantly clear that they'd never be happy with anyone else.
- Buffy the Vampire Slayer
- Cordelia and Xander are oh so very much like this in Seasons 2 and 3.
- Buffy and Spike regularly cycle through this from the middle of Season 5. Lampshaded in the Musical Episode.
"First he'll kill her, then I'll save her / No, I'll save her, then I'll kill her!" - Oz. A black inmate on Death Row is subject to constant racist taunts by a redneck in the next cell. After first breaking his hand when he punched the wall in frustration, he then gets smart and carefully digs a hole into the wall, then after one comment too many punches his fist through what's left and throttles the redneck to death single-handed. Unfortunately that means he's the only inmate left on Death Row, and the episode ends with him looking sadly into a hand mirror, with only himself for company.
- Ross and Rachel from Friends. If they're with other people, they want each other: If they're together they argue constantly and break up. Rachel is especially bad as at one point she manipulated Ross into breaking up with his current girlfriend and then refused to get back together with him unless he took all the blame for a past break up. (He didn't).
- The actual line was parodied twice on 3rd Rock from the Sun. In the pilot, Harry declares "Women, you can't live with 'em... and yet they're everywhere." In a later episode, Dick declares "Women, you can't live with 'em and you can't have heterosexual sex without 'em."
- To which Harry responds, "That's probably true."
- Also in one episode Judith says to Mary, "Men, can't live with 'em" [beat while Mary waits for the rest] "Goodbye, Mary."
- Norm, of course, subverts the line in Cheers: "Women. Can't live with them, pass the beer nuts."
- The Vampire Diaries: Damon and Elena, until the last four or so episodes of the first season. After that, they drop the "can't stand them" part.
- Pretty much the reason why Al in Married... with Children hasn't just up and left his ungrateful life parasite of a wife and kids. Among Al's immortal quotes:
"Women. You can't live with them, you can't shoot them".
"Women, can't live with 'em, can't herd 'em all into Canada"
"Women. Can't live with 'em... The End." - Jerry and Elaine in Seinfeld, in that they are no longer interested in each other sexually but still hang out with each other because they don't have many other friends.
- In Taxi, Louie explains to Zena, who won't take him back, that "love is the end of happiness": he used to be happy staying home and watching the Mets; now, even though everything about watching the Mets is the same, he can't enjoy it without Zena. She very reluctantly, like, to the point of self-disgustedly, takes him back. For a season or two.
- In The Big Bang Theory, when Sheldon and Amy end their friendship over an argument as to whether Neurobiology or Theoretical Physics is the more important science, Howard offers the opinion: "Women, can't live with 'em, can't successfully refute their hypotheses".
- Invoked almost word for word in Hannibal by Bedelia when talking to Will about his plan to escape with Hannibal.
- The IT Crowd parodies this, with Moss, resident nerd among nerds, trying to deliver the line to Roy. He begins nobly, 'Women — can't live with them...' before trailing off and realising he has absolutely no idea how to talk about romantic matters or advice to give thereof. Later on he delivers the gender-flipped version:
Moss: Men, can't live with 'em...
- Carlos towards Sister Bertrille in The Flying Nun. As much as he complains about her getting him into trouble, he feels worse without her around.
Carlos: When she's around I tell her to get lost, but when she does I go looking for her!
- P!nk's song "Leave Me Alone (I'm Lonely)" is all about the bi-polar affections of a girl wanting some space, promising cuddling later.
- The song "That's a Woman" is sung by Ryan Kelly and Paul Byrom of the group Celtic Thunder and is about a misogynist who finally falls for one of the women he so greatly disdains.
- Celine Dion's "I Hate You Then I Love You." The title should be self-explanatory.
- Senator John Dean's seminal dubstep/dubhop song, "Can't Live Without Em," a staple of the new genre. "Can't Live Without Em"
- Also the Three Days Grace song "I Hate Everything About You".
- Queen's "I Can't Live With You."
- Stacie Orrico's song "Stuck" - "I hate you, but I love you. I can't stop thinking of you"
- The U2 song "With or Without You"
- French Canadian singer Jean Leloup song "I lost my baby" has the lines (translated) "I can't live with you / I can't live without you / But you can very well live without me /" ending up with "I'm screwed either way".
- Rihanna and Neyo's duet "Hate That I Love You."
- The Coral's "Dreaming of You" has lyrics of "I still need you, but I don't want you now."
- The Voltaire song "Stuck With You" is narrated by a married couple venting about all the things each partner has done to piss the other one off and how much they drive each other crazy. At the end of the song, after this long litany of complaints, they mutually agree that, "I'm not sad I said 'I do'/I'm just glad I was stuck with you."
- Amanda and Elyot in Private Lives. They fight both physically and verbally, to the point of having divorced, but as they find when they actually meet again after remarrying different people, they are perfect for each other.
Video Games
- Fire Emblem has several examples of this; Erk and Serra in Blazing Sword, Lalam and Percival in Sword of Seals, and to an extent Rennac and L'Arachel in The Sacred Stones. ( His single ending states that he tries to escape her service, but admittedly doesn't try very hard.)
- In Final Fantasy VIII, Squall spends the first two discs of the game grimly resisting Rinoa's efforts to get him to open up to her. When she falls into a coma at the end of disc two, however, he realizes how much he doesn't want to lose her, and abruptly she becomes his main priority.
- Nageki of Hatoful Boyfriend seems taken aback and annoyed when the player character makes an effort to befriend and spend time with him. In his diary he calls you "the nosy girl", he says you won't leave him alone... but he's glad, in the end. In the second game some of your friends also make an effort to spend time with him, and later he complains to someone threatening them that they exhaust him and are unpredictable, but he's happy to have them.
- Played for Drama and justified in Super Robot Wars Original Generation regarding Arado Balanga and Seolla Schweizer: Bronzo-class students of The School program function in pairs and are more combat effective when both partners are with one another. When Arado is erroneously believed to be Killed Off for Real, Seolla immediately undergoes Heroic B.S.O.D., forcing The School "instructors" to sedate and reprogram her for single combat.
- Pretty much the longest running plotline in College Roomies from Hell!!!: Margaret's attraction to and inability to let go of Dave.
- Also a long running plotline in Bittersweet Candy Bowl. Mike and Lucy spend most of their time agonizing over this fact.
- In Sluggy Freelance Gwynn tends to flirt with this trope a lot in regards to the rest of the main characters.
- So did Zoe to some extent. The boys drove her nuts, but when she moved back home, she found she missed them, and ended up getting a job consisting entirely of recounting their crazy antics over the radio.
- Looking for Group looked like it was going for a joke like this after Cale'Anon had gotten into an argument with his girlfriend, but the trope is ultimately (and naturally) subverted because the man who almost invoked the trope is a wee little bit worse than the common chauvinist...
Richard: Women.
Cale: Yeah.
Richard: Why are any of them still alive?
Cale: That's a little bit extreme.
Richard: You may be right... What are your thoughts on penning them up to use for mating and the creation of snacks? - Sinfest:
- Monique and Slick are very self-centered, can't even hold their eyes on each other, don't really know what they want for more than a few minutes... yet neither will allow anyone else to approach the other.
- Monique looks at a guy she considers attractive, then he reminds of Slick, and finds this a turn-off. It's such a huge turn-off that she starts hitting on him right on the next page.
Web Original
- Parodied, to great effect, in The Guild.
Vork: Women. Can't live with them — they will not go out with me.
Western Animation
- Scrooge (DuckTales) and Darkwing (Darkwing Duck) both have this relationship with Launchpad McQuack. Both initially start working with him just because they need a pilotnote and are exasperated by his Cloud Cuckoolander side. But whenever Launchpad leaves (even if they told him to leave) or some kind of danger threatens to take him away from them, they don't like it at all. Launchpad is not an example as he rarely gets annoyed with either of his bosses/friends.
- Pinky and the Brain. Brain insults Pinky frequently and takes every opportunity possible to bop him with whatever solid object is convenient, but should Pinky wind up missing or genuinely hurt, Brain truly feels bad for his companion. In the Halloween episode, Pinky gives himself up to a malicious supernatural entity so that Brain can take over the world, and Brain gives it all up in order to get Pinky back.
- Animaniacs
- On one episode this is parodied when Yakko, Wakko and Dot tell their latest victim, who is begging them to leave, that he'll "be lonely when they're gone". Predictably, after they leave, the man bawls "I'm lonely!"
- This was also done to the Warners in a different episode: they are followed around all day by an extremely dull man who continually tells a long, rambling story in a monotone voice. No matter where they run, they can't get away from him. Finally, at the end of the episode, he suddenly finishes his story and leaves. The three of them just sit in stunned silence for a few minutes, then declare "It's too quiet!" and go running after the man begging him to come back.
- The Simpsons
- One of the later Sideshow Bob episodes shows Bob realizing that he can't kill Bart. He's grown accustomed to his faaaaace...
- The titular family is also a great example. They love each other, but they drive each other crazy.
- Family Guy: Stewie sings "I've Grown Accustomed to Her Face" in a Shout-Out to My Fair Lady when Lois leaves him home alone to campaign for the school board.
- Tom and Jerry: The titular duo are pretty much like this by default. One example is the short "The Lonesome Mouse" has Tom getting evicted from the house. Jerry is initially delighted, but comes to realize that he's bored stiff without his adversary, and schemes to get him back in Mammy Two Shoes' good graces.
- In KaBlam!, despite being his friend, June seems to get a kick out of hurting or watching Henry get hurt. However, in an episode where he leaves the show, June finds herself crying over missing him.
- There was a Dexter's Laboratory episode where Dexter 'fires' Dee Dee and joyously works in his lab without her interference. After a montage of repeatedly doing the same thing, his energetic joy fades until he's depressed and starts looking for a new annoying sister. Eventually, Dee Dee is rehired at the end of the episode.
- In the SpongeBob SquarePants episode "Squidville" Squidward is tired of SpongeBob and Patrick bothering him and ruining his day, the last straw for him is when they accidentally destroy his house he sees an ad on TV for Squidville which is full of Squidpeople like him. At first he finds it relaxing and comfortable but after a while he gets bored of it. Later he pines for SpongeBob and Patrick to come back and cause a little chaos. When they don't, he starts causing the chaos and eventually gets kicked out of the town.
- One of the unfinished episodes of Invader Zim, called "Mopiness of Doom", has something like this. Dib decides to drop paranormal investigation and pursue "real science." Zim, finally being free of the one person that constantly ruins his plans, enjoys his newfound freedom for a while, but soon becomes unmotivated to continue coming up with new evil plans without someone trying to stop him. Meanwhile, Dib has a hard time concentrating on "real science" since he still loves para-science and eventually gives that up and goes back to hunting Zim. Zim is confronted by Dib again and is overjoyed that he's back. The episode concludes with the two happily slinging insults at each other.
- This is what defines Larry and Tuddrussell's relationship in Time Squad.
- Helga and Arnold of Hey Arnold! technically have a one-sided version of this. At least Once an Episode, we see Helga slip off into private to deliver a flowery, romantic poetic rant about her yearning for her one true love, usually following a statement to the tune of "What a twerp, what a loser, what a football-headed dweeb. How I hate him. And yet..."
- And then we have the episode where Helga drinks an 'anti-love potion' to erase her feelings for Arnold, and stops bullying him. Cue an extremely disturbed Arnold.
- Francine and Stan to their sponsored African child, Tungee, in American Dad!. He shows up on their doorstep and quickly aggravates them with his overly sunny disposition. They ditch him at Costgo, only to realize how much they miss him. They go back to get him but he annoys them again on the car ride home so they jump out of the car to get away from him...only to immediately complain that they miss Tungee again.
- Subverted in My Gym Partner's a Monkey. Principal Pixiefrog starts saying "Women! You can't live with 'em..." He pauses, and we expect him to say "You can't live without 'em," but then he says "That's all. You can't live with 'em."
- Transformers Animated: Also doubles as a funny moment.
Ratchet: Young Bots... Can't live with them, can't melt them down for spare parts.
- Mark Hamill describes the relationship between The Joker and Harley Quinn this way.
"Expressing emotion in any way that's real and meaningful is alien to the Joker, but he's learning those parts of himself, however unconsciously, through Harley. On a physical level they're dynamite together. A lot of relationships are defined by that. Two people may be really horrible for each other, but physically they push each other's buttons so clearly they can't get enough of that person."
- In the "South Park" episode "Smug Alert", it turns out that this is how Cartman feels about Kyle.
- A major theme in the relationship between cargo pilot Baloo and his boss Rebecca Cunningham or "Becky" as he likes to call her on TaleSpin. They argue over various things during the series at least half of it stemming from the old Snobs Vs Slobs theme but Rebecca is so physically and emotionally dependent on Baloo to help her run the company Higher For Hire that whenever he isn't there to do the long term heavy lifting the operation tends to fall apart or at least come to a halt.
- Kaeloo: Mr. Cat claims to find Kaeloo too annoying and talkative, but in the episode "Let's Play Courtroom Drama", when Kaeloo decides to leave Smileyland, he tries to stop her, even if doing so meant confessing to a crime he had previously claimed to be innocent of.
Real Life
- Sadly, most dysfunctional families work this way.
- Downplayed, however, in most ordinary families. It's normal to have squabbles once in a while and anger can definitely make you feel like someone is insufferable. Doesn't mean they are, though.
- Mathematics. With it, it's a pain in the brain. Without it, we would live like cavemen eating mud.
- School and work. Exhausting for the most part, yet you learn something, you socialize with people, get opportunities, and earn something.
- Rain. It may give you depression and misfortune oftentimes, but it's better getting wet than getting drought and scorching land.
- The relationship between predators and prey. Predators will kill prey, but without them the prey would overpopulate.
- Humans. While humans may suck at times, they are needed to make society function. After all, humans are social creatures.
- Taxes. While no one (especially right wingers) likes paying taxes, without them states could not pay for roads and other infrastructure spending, police and military protection, and much more.
- Pets. More often than not they can be infuriatingly annoying, if not downright destructive, but losing a pet after living with it for a while can (and most likely will) result in loneliness, as well as the urge to get a new one.


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You have two devices in two different buildings on two completely different networks, one that uses the BACnet MSTP protocol to communicate, while the other one talks DF1 protocol and they need to talk to each other. What do you do?
A FieldServer is a protocol converter or gateway that can communicate in many different protocols and physical layers including BACnet MSTP protocol and the DF1 protocol. The Fieldserver acts as a middle man between the two devices. It reads data from one device, stores it internally and makes it available to the 2nd device using another protocol. This is how the FieldServer converts BACnet MSTP data to DF1 data.
It's a simple solution to a common problem that we can help you with.
BACnet MSTP is part of the ASHRAE's BACnet family of protocols that operates on the MSTP RS485 network. With the help of FieldServer we can set and retrieve BACnet data from your device and make it available to many different devices no matter what protocol they use. The FieldServer can convert BACnet MSTP to an impressive set of other building automation protocols by acting as a middle man or protocol converter between two different protocols. Talks BACnet MSTP on one side and anything else on the other. More information, Driver Data Sheet
DF1 protocol is an Allen-Bradley data-link layer protocol that combines features of subcategories D1 (data transparency) and F1 (two-way simultaneous transmission with embedded responses) of ANSI x3.28 specification. There are two categories of DF1 protocol:
* DF1 half-duplex protocol (master-slave communication)
* DF1 full-duplex protocol (peer-to-peer communication)
The driver can be configured to be client/server using a serial RS-232 or RS-485 trunk.
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Roll Your Own Embedded Linux System with Buildroot
Aug 31, 2011 By Alexander Sirotkin
The time between getting a new piece of hardware and seeing a first shell prompt can be one of the most frustrating experiences for embedded Linux developers. Buildroot can help reduce your frustration.
FemtoLinux: femtolinux.com
uClinux: www.uclinux.org
uClibc: www.uclibc.org
Buildroot: buildroot.uclibc.org
OpenEmbedded: www.openembedded.org
Alexander (Sasha) Sirotkin has been an active Linux user and developer for more then 15 years. One of the projects he's worked on is FemtoLinux, which improves performance on low-end embedded systems and eases porting from legacy RTOSes. He lives in Tel-Aviv, Israel, and can be reached at "sasha AT femtolinux.com".
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Tuesday, 24 December 2013
We Should Cocoa: Chocolate Port Sauce
This month's We Should Cocoa is hosted by Choclette at the Chocolate Log Blog who has challenged us to dive head first into our alcohol cabinet and come up with a boozy creation. Last month's cookie challenge round up can be found here.
It's always nice to come back from holiday, and still fit into your jeans.
I thought I had done some serious damage. Like scoffing two hotdogs in one go. Hobbit style second breakfasts. Beer. Dark, Christmas beer. We found a bakery. Midnight snacks. Iceland was amazing.
I feel like I have started early so I'll continue as I mean to go on with this rich, boozy chocolate port sauce. Perfect for pouring on desserts and puds all over the festive period.
300ml double cream
200gr chocolate (mine was around 45%, nothing too strong or it'll be a bit too bitter), chopped or broken into squares
4tbsp ruby port
1, First, bring the cream up to a gentle simmer in a small milk pan. Remove from the heat and stir in the port.
2, With the pan still off the heat, add in the chocolate and stir a couple of times.
3, Leave this to sit for a couple of minutes before stirring into a smooth chocolatey sauce. Give it a quick taste. Some port might not be as strong and everyone's preference is different. I like having a super boozy kick to this so I added in an extra couple of tablespoons. Preference is king in cooking.
4, Sterilise some jars, tiny ones if you're doing gifts would be perfect, and pour in the warm sauce. Seal and keep in the fridge when cool.
5, Reheat gently before use.
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Not sure what I'm liking most about this post Hannah. The sauce sounds perfect - not sure it even needs a pudding to be poured over. Iceland sounds amazing and I really like the simplicity of that Icelandic chocolate. Thanks for entering this into WSC and for all your support throughout the year.
Wishing you all the best for 2014.
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