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246 comments so far (post your own)Way overdue. And not even in the 2007 ballot. *sigh* Posted by DJ Dave M on Wednesday, 11.1.06 @ 08:56am |
Definitely overdue. Does anyone know how to petition the hall? Posted by MJL on Tuesday, 11.7.06 @ 21:44pm |
That new Chevy commercial officially killed his chances for ever getting inducted. Sorry, John Mellencamp. It's not your fault, but you should have learned from the "Like a Rock" campaign that Chevy will play these things to death. Posted by c.w. on Wednesday, 11.15.06 @ 08:30am |
AMERICAN TREASURE AND ICON, please, WAY TOO LONG OVER DUE.... Posted by Sherri on Tuesday, 01.9.07 @ 07:56am |
You almost think that its some sort of state jealousy and Ohio doesn't want some guy from Indiana to get in. Support your Midwestern neighbor and get him in there. Posted by Mari on Tuesday, 01.9.07 @ 15:17pm |
We do not decide it in Ohio. It is the idiots in New York who do. We do not even get the induction ceremony in Cleveland. Todd Rundgren is not in it too. They should move the hall to New York where they want it. Posted by Jack on Wednesday, 01.10.07 @ 04:39am |
Wannabe.... corporate rock, not influential...don't put him in....... Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 02.10.07 @ 18:56pm |
I don't like the phrase corporate rock, it's used when people don't want to give details as to why they don't like something, a lot like "sellout". Mellencamp was a good songwriter in the regonalist/Americana tradition of Springsteen and Seger, but I think he falls short of Hall Standards. That Chevy commercial sure isn't helping him, that's for sure. Posted by Kit on Saturday, 02.10.07 @ 22:29pm |
Well, let me explain it then...lets see when he came out he was "John Cougar" - WHY?? Then he eventually went to "John Mellencamp." His songs were okay, but were very much pop top 40 like hits. I just don't think his on par with acts like Simon and Garfunkel, Springsteen, etc. In fact, he is not even close.... Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 02.11.07 @ 06:52am |
The John Cougar thing was something his manager came up with without even telling him. Mellencamp didn't even know about it until the album came out. Posted by Kit on Sunday, 02.11.07 @ 11:31am |
Likely story...in any case, the main point is that he is not on par with the "classics" in that genre - it is as simple as that. But, if he did get in, that would be fine b/c he is talented. Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 02.11.07 @ 17:30pm |
Likely because it's true, and I agree. Posted by Kit on Sunday, 02.11.07 @ 18:28pm |
How can he not be in? One of the major artists from the early eighties through the nineties. If he is not in,he must have pissed off somebody. Posted by me2 on Wednesday, 02.14.07 @ 09:55am |
He has been a very influential rock artist almost right from the start of his career. It's completely ridiculous that he hasn't been inducted yet. Posted by Christina on Sunday, 02.25.07 @ 07:42am |
Yeah, Johnny Cougar's "I Need a Lover" really changed the face of rock and roll. Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 02.25.07 @ 14:45pm |
The failure to include Mellencamp in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is outrageous. He has been an incredibly gifted and prolific songwriter and performer for over a quarter of a century. His live shows have always been generously long, energetic and exciting. He was at the forefront of the music scene at the time of the MTV explosion with great tunes and videos; and he has just kept cranking out the music. When you're one of the best of your generation and have incredible staying power; you belong in the Hall. There is no rational basis for keeping him out when contemporaries like Petty and Seger are in. Posted by john on Wednesday, 02.28.07 @ 14:47pm |
Mellencamp should be in the hall of fame for one reason.HE DESERVES IT. Posted by Larry on Monday, 03.12.07 @ 20:28pm |
Hey "Anonymous": keeping John mellencamp out for your resons reeks of rock snobbery. So he's not seated beside the Church of Rock patron saints like Dylan, Springsteen and The Stones -- so, who is? They are mythical icons, the very rarest. Mellencamp is surely at LEAST eye to eye with Billy Joel, Bob Seger, ZZ Top, Blondie, Van Halen, etc. No classics? How can you hear Jack and Diane, Pink Houses, Small Town, Hurts So Good, R.O.C.K. in the U.S.A., Jackie Brown and not recognize American staples that stand the test of time? Everything he's done since Scarecrow is heartland America eloquence, sagacious and insightful and just good shit. He's managed to put out powerful, interesting stuff for 3 decades; give he man the respect he sorely deserves. Posted by Shawn on Tuesday, 03.13.07 @ 00:10am |
BY KIT: "Likely because it's true, and I agree" Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 03.16.07 @ 17:44pm |
When you write songs that say: "Don't you feel Jesus in a small town" that just does not seem to cut it for me - was he backed by the Republican party on that one? Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 03.16.07 @ 17:47pm |
Actually, I think the quote is "taught to fear Jesus in a small town." And JCM hasn't been backed by the Republican party in a long, long time. He has been one of the most ardent critics of the Bush administration and the war in Iraq. Posted by KC on Monday, 03.19.07 @ 15:24pm |
Either way...all that Jesus talk in Rock music makes me feel icky.......... Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 03.20.07 @ 12:39pm |
He deserves it. Quick Fact: Dylan called JM for advice on his own songs. Tell me that someone who Dylan calls to get advice on music shouldn't be in the Hall. Crazy. Posted by JenMI on Thursday, 03.29.07 @ 07:57am |
How do you know he did that? Did you tap the phone? Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 03.29.07 @ 11:39am |
John Mellencamp on George HW Bush: Posted by Kit on Thursday, 03.29.07 @ 15:57pm |
Yeah, it is real hard to find someone that is antibush these days........anyway, his music is just plain boring.... Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 03.30.07 @ 17:34pm |
The first two lyrics I quoted were from 1989. Posted by Kit on Friday, 03.30.07 @ 22:26pm |
I actually thought the "H.W." part kind of gave it away. Posted by William on Friday, 03.30.07 @ 23:31pm |
Frankly, it was my fault for bringing up politics (you know what they say about that), and apparently I am not allowed to make jokes about having a "sem-colon" rather than a colon. In any event, the point is that John "Cougar" is a sell out and he sucks.... Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 04.4.07 @ 18:21pm |
Hey Anonymous: Posted by shawn on Monday, 04.9.07 @ 00:37am |
"What did J.M. do that makes you feel justified slinging that cliche "sellout" at him? What the hell does that mean, anyway?" Posted by ANON on Monday, 04.9.07 @ 18:18pm |
ANON, Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 04.11.07 @ 13:21pm |
"Mine was that you misinterpreted JM's song lyrics in Small Town as being preachy Jesus talk and that was where your lack of intelligence was exposed." Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 04.11.07 @ 15:32pm |
Anon, Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 04.11.07 @ 21:05pm |
You are plain wrong. I was ignorant to the lyrics and did mishear them. I thought he said something totally different than what he actually said - it is that simple. As for my intelligence, I guess when I became a doctor they thought I was pretty smart.......... Posted by ANON on Thursday, 04.12.07 @ 07:36am |
Anonymous says: "And, again, I do not care to respond to any of the other points, because I do not care that much about John Cougar, oh excuse me, Mellencrap Posted by shawn on Friday, 04.13.07 @ 02:22am |
Yawn.... Posted by ANON on Saturday, 04.14.07 @ 10:03am |
Yea.... that's what I thought. You got nothin. Posted by shawn on Sunday, 04.15.07 @ 15:45pm |
Since you asked, I was being harsh with JM. I really have nothing against JM music. I actually enjoy some of it. To me, though it is very top 40ish, at least much of it. So, if he did get in, that would really not bother me. Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 04.17.07 @ 17:15pm |
"I really have nothing against JM music.... To me, though it is very top 40ish, at least much of it." Posted by shawn on Monday, 04.30.07 @ 12:08pm |
Most of the bands you cite were creative and did their own thing, so to speak, and their success in "top 40" was more incidental. Whereas, in my opinion, JM was built for Top 40 from the start...I mean Hurts so Good, and Jack and Diane did not exaclty come later in his career. But, that being said, you are right, I think selling a lot of ALbums is what it is about for musicians. The fact that he did means something. I am just not sure he is HOF material... Posted by Anon on Monday, 04.30.07 @ 13:18pm |
Anon says: "Most of the bands you cite were creative and did their own thing.... and their success in "top 40" was more incidental." Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.1.07 @ 09:45am |
"No musician can sit around waiting for the world to discover them, immune from the demand to sell and be heard. That's some romantic fantasy you have there, man. Wake up." Posted by Anon on Tuesday, 05.1.07 @ 13:55pm |
Dude... "Cygnus X-1 or Bytor and the Snow Dog"? Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 05.2.07 @ 11:42am |
If you can't figure out the difference between corporate rock, like JM, or bands like Rush, Yes, Black Sabbath, Rolling Stones, etc. then there is no point to continue discussing. Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.2.07 @ 12:14pm |
Dude, why are you trying to take refuge in the pathetically tired cry of "agree to disagree"? You started this back in Feb. when you belched out - "Wannabe.... corporate rock, not influential...don't put him in.", and fron the start of my two cents I have just challenged the REASONS why you claim Mellencamp is not worthy. Debating this is the only reason we are typing away here, right? Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 05.2.07 @ 23:56pm |
You won't change my alleged "prejudice." Bands like Rush, The Doors, Pink Floyd, etc. of course wanted to sell albums, as all artists do. However, it was and is to be on their terms. In fact, after Rush bombed with Caress of Steel, they were pressured by the record execs. to go a different way. Instead, they DID THEIR own thing, took a risk, and put out 2112, one of their most lauded albums. In fact, side ONE is exactly about that struggle (i.e. between artistic integrity and corpoorate pressures they felt). Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 05.3.07 @ 18:46pm |
Anonymous says: Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 00:08am |
If you do not agree, then tell me how did JM have a profound influence on Rock music and who did he influence? Posted by Anon on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 11:55am |
Mellencamp breathed new life into the singer-songwriter tradition, capturing a very authentic midwest feel, and as he progressed the instrumentation became more and more folksy, featuring fiddles prominently, especially on THe Lonesome Jubilee, his finest album. There is no other album like it in 1987, mainstream or not. Posted by Kit on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 12:28pm |
AMEN Kit! Well said! Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 12:59pm |
Kit says: "Mellencamp was a good songwriter in the regonalist/Americana tradition of Springsteen and Seger, but I think he falls short of Hall Standards." Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 16:39pm |
Anonymous/Dude, Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 17:45pm |
YOU ARE 0-4 - almost as bad as the slump Bobby Abreu is in: Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 18:47pm |
Uh...... OK "Anonymous" -- I guess you can "win", since I have grown weary of debating with a 7th grader. You contradict yourself over and over, you misinterperet his lyrics, you bash JM one post then backpeddle and retreat, then bash a little again, you make nonsensical "points" (Won't Get Fooled Again is 8:32...) of trifiling or no use, you claim JM is not that important to you anyway, give me The Hand -- you've pretty much tried it all pal! Posted by shawn on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 10:38am |
Dude, what the fuck are you talking about...you take this way too personal...I even say + things about JM and somehow that is twisted in a negative way...you act is if any of this really matters...if he did get in the hall, uh, he would be getting inducted, not you...may want to get back on the haldol drip Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 14:13pm |
I'll see your "Dude" and raise you an "Ass Clown" Posted by shawn on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 14:39pm |
Hey witness protection - I mean "Anonymous": Posted by shawn on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 15:18pm |
I am not trying to win anything...you just cannot dela with the fact that not everyone agrees with you. No to your nonsense: Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 15:24pm |
Secret Squirrel says: Posted by shawn on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 16:13pm |
I really change my mind about whether Mellencamp deserves to be in the hall every other day. He's the definition of a borderline artist that could easily go either way. However, there's a precedent set with similar artists and I'd much rather have him in than Bob Seger. Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 16:27pm |
See..your post would be meaningful and relevant. However, since I openly admitted I was a bit harsh on him...your post is wasteful and meaningless. Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 16:29pm |
Kit - I am exhausting? You have basically pissed off everyone on various posts all over this webpage - that is undeniable. Y0ur way more exhausting... :-) Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 16:33pm |
"However, there's a precedent set with similar artists and I'd much rather have him in than Bob Seger." Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 16:57pm |
As one who has read Kit's stuff, I'd like to say he often makes me laugh so hard I tear up (see his Def Leppard summations - hysterical!!) Posted by shawn on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 17:07pm |
"He can be a bit abrasive, but he knows his stuff, he's sharp witted and insightful" Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 21:36pm |
Also, Shwan, mb you should get checked for like ADHD. I have told you time and again... Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 21:55pm |
"PLAY TOM SAWYER, MAN!!!" Posted by shawn on Sunday, 05.6.07 @ 10:00am |
I'll take my Tom Sawyer any day over your "Little Pink Houses"... Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 05.6.07 @ 12:15pm |
witness protection says: "- I do not see (JM) as a major force or innovator of music. Who has he influenced?" Posted by shawn on Sunday, 05.6.07 @ 15:01pm |
For the general masses...I agree...likely the top 40 song...for the forward thinking, non conforming individual...well, you know Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 05.6.07 @ 16:31pm |
"Let's have some fun with this little question though, since you brought it up" Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 05.6.07 @ 19:29pm |
Spy vs Spy/Anon says: "For the general masses...I agree...likely the top 40 song...for the forward thinking, non conforming individual...well, you know" Posted by shawn on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 00:08am |
I didn't know that preferring one song over another is referred to as "masturbation." Thank you for clearing that up - no one can disagree with you Shawn - that is a shame. Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 06:06am |
S-s-s-h-h... being "Anonymous" allows you to lob your inane dooky grenades and protect your alter ego. Although I'd have picked "By-tor" as your superhero character, considering. Posted by shawn on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 09:03am |
So, if I called myself Joe, Nick or Steve would you then somehow know me. Everyone on these posts is anonymous - duh. Posted by Anon on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 09:35am |
I guess I can understand why you want to keep your true name "On the DOWN-low" - shaving that 2112 pentagram on the back of your head is a bad look now, and you probably want to stay inconspicuous. I understand. Posted by shawn on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 14:49pm |
"Shawn" may be your "real" name, but you are still anonymous. No one knows your age, where you live, etc. So, calling yourself Shawn or Dave or Tim or Anon, is pretty much the same thing - if you can't figure that one out, don't know what to say. Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 17:30pm |
Jesus christ, shawn. Cut it out, talk music. this is some ridiculous bullshit. Posted by Kit on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 18:51pm |
Thanks Kit, never thought I would say that but half the time I do not even know what Shawn is talking about.... Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 19:31pm |
Johnny Cougar Mellencamp is a difficult one, but I would lean towards saying "yes" on induction. And I think he will get in eventually, they just want to make him wait a couple of years because, rightly so, he deserves induction with some reservations. Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 08:59am |
You're right for the most part Kit; I let him get under my skin and went off the deep end a bit a few posts back when I rolled out his history of JM snarks. My bad for getting sucked in and throwing gasoline on his fire; I should learn to ignore wanks like him as much as possible. Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 09:14am |
That's a real tough call and I'm honestly not sure where I stand. I tend to think of it in terms of heirarchy and subgenre. If two bands are in the same genre, timeframe, etc, and one clearly made more innovations than the other, then I don't even want to consider the second band until the first is in. This means that a lot of bands that are on the outs, King Crimson, Joy Division, The Cure, etc. are holding a lot of other bands out too, just because those bands are behind them in line. Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 11:53am |
Shawn's question is the classic conflict between popular success and artistic merit, and which one should we focus on in the Hall. There are easy ones of course, like The Beatles, Who, Stones, Kinks...where they achieved both so those are shoe-ins. Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 12:06pm |
I see that. In an ideal Hall, the voters would respectfully follow the descending biological classifications of artists in a Species-Genus-Family.. model. Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 12:08pm |
Thanks Dezmond - I was typing as you were answering my question! Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 12:14pm |
I think it's all of the above. As a religious liner note reader, I pick up lots of statements by the artist or the critic or spin doctor or who ever is writing the liner notes about influences. Sometimes you just hear it in the music. Like with my latest musical obsession, The Hold Steady. You can just hear early Springsteen in their lyrics and music, as well as some Thin Lizzy in there (odd combo, I know, but it really works). And yes, sometimes it is pure speculation. Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 12:46pm |
I meant "Bill Graham", not Phil Graham. Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 12:48pm |
Dez says: "If Bill Graham, Berry Gordie...all these other people who infuenced the business of rock are in there, then Kiss has a place." Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 13:14pm |
One question Dezmond, up above, you said: "Yeah, Johnny Cougar's "I Need a Lover" really changed the face of rock and roll." That sounds like a sarcastic comment, suggesting NO for Hall induction. Then you changed your mind. Just wondering, why the change? Not being hostile in any way, just curious (I add this in because I do not want to be attacked - I am only wondering). Posted by Anonympus on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 17:47pm |
BTW, as for Shawn acting psychotic, he is to blame to some degree, but I admit that I went overboard, particularly with my earlier comments about JM. After all, I did call him "Mellencrap." So, if Shawn is a big JM fan, which I presume he is, then I can compliment his passion for supporting an artist he loves. I too have supported Rush and have been defensive as well, so I can understand his acting nutty. I mean I think at one point, he was talking about dead bodies in my neighbors yard :-) Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 18:06pm |
Anonymous, I only want to be held accountable to my last post. No fair going back several posts and pointing out my inconsistencies! I think I was just poking fun at The Coug's early years when I said that. But I think that he deserves induction for my more recent reasons stated. Good catch, though. =) Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 05.9.07 @ 08:59am |
I agree, saying Journey sucks is not insulting directly. But, one cannot criticize others for not elaborating, then engage in the same "behavior." Obviously, not everyone will like every band. I just think, something more elaborative without "sucks" is not only less insulting, but more informative. But, like I said, I should be the last to talk, since I have done the very same thing. Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.9.07 @ 12:26pm |
"Nobody should get offended about anything said about the bands or artists, no matter how harsh or disagreeable" Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.9.07 @ 16:56pm |
I say he should get in at some point. But after that godawful song he made to sell Chevy trucks, I'd make him wait a while. Posted by Creepozoid on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 01:34am |
"I mean, Journey really pioneered the 80's Power Ballad, but is that a good thing that should be rewarded?" Posted by Creepozoid on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 01:35am |
Good point, Creep. The Chevy commercial song should give The Coug at least a 5 year penalty. Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 08:04am |
I disagree, Anonymous. You won't find many people as passionate about their favorite bands than I am, yet I feel it is perfectly fine to insult my favorite bands if someone wants to. Do I find it irritating? Do I think that person is an unenlightened heathen for not understanding the greatness of my favorite bands? Sure. Do I take it personally and feel it is a comment on my self-worth? No. Plus, half of it is fun banter and gets the real conversation kick started. That's how I feel about that issue. Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 08:15am |
"But after that godawful song he made to sell Chevy trucks, I'd make him wait a while." - Creepozoid Posted by shawn on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 09:01am |
Dez sez:"...half of it is fun banter and gets the real conversation kick started. That's how I feel about that issue" Posted by shawn on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 09:15am |
Creep: "Are you kidding me? The power ballads of the 80s are some of the best songs ever." Posted by shawn on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 09:22am |
And how do you really quantify the greatness or cheese quotient of, say, Journey's "Fathfully"? I say it is both great and extremely cheesy. Cheese can be good. But for every "Faithfully", there are 50 "Every Rose Has a Thorn". That is why I say perfecting the 80's Power Ballad is a dubious honor at best, when you consider its spawn. Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 10:54am |
"And how do you really quantify the greatness or cheese quotient of, say, Journey's "Fathfully"? I say it is both great and extremely cheesy." Posted by shawn on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 11:13am |
I think that a song (or an artist) can definitely be both cheese and great. Look at Tom Jones. That guy has made a career (very long one, at that) at being cheesy but also a lot of fun. I think the key for Jones is that he KNOWS he's cheesy, and therefore does it with a wink and plays it up. Put Tom Jones in the Hall, by God! Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 14:52pm |
Jack and Diane = cheesey? You think? Posted by shawn on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 15:53pm |
Calling Open Arms or Faithfully cheesy is just a way for a guy to keep his macho exterior, while still liking the songs. It is sort of like that scene from "Tommy Boy" in which Spade and Farley are in the car singing rock songs and then a "love ballad" comes on and they sort of look at each other, telling themselves, "I like this song, but will he think I am a wuss." Then of course they realize that both like the song - It is a great scene. Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 19:12pm |
"Do I take it personally and feel it is a comment on my self-worth?" Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 19:15pm |
t Posted by t on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 19:21pm |
"Yet I feel it is perfectly fine to insult my favorite bands if someone wants to." Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 20:23pm |
Anonymous... Jesus H. Christ,... Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 01:21am |
"Calling Open Arms or Faithfully cheesy is just a way for a guy to keep his macho exterior, while still liking the songs." Posted by Kit on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 01:52am |
Also, I think we're all overlooking t's valuable contribution to this multi-layered discussion. Posted by Kit on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 01:53am |
I think T was trying to say T-T-TIMMAY! Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 02:22am |
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. It is interesting how you rarely respond to my posts, but this one struck a "chord." In any event, those were moving and very emotional songs, which would explain why they were so, so, so huge for Journey at the time- sometimes things are simple. Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 05:45am |
"I am begging you Anon - just shut the fu*k up and stick to your post at the Rush house. Please shut the fuk up." Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 05:48am |
"They are so beautiful and complex and nuanced and all sorts of positive adverbs. I get laughed at by some of my "macho man" acquaintances" Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 05:50am |
Not to beat a dead horse. But, to clarify my reference about the cheesy / macho thing was specifically referring to people saying that they like the songs and simultaneously calling them cheesy. That clearly did not apply to Kit, who thinks all of Journey's music "sucks." Just wanted to clear that up - thus your "defenive" post with Joni M. was unncessary Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 06:11am |
Again, why is cheesy bad? Journey's power ballads are objectively cheesy. There is no subjective about it. I just happen to think that "Faithfully" is quality cheese (say, some nice sharp cheddar), while "Open Arms" is bad cheese (say, the generic brand "cheese food product" offered at discount grocery stores). That is really the difference between "Faithfully" and "Open Arms". One, good cheese. The other, bad cheese. Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 08:22am |
So Dezmond - where on the cheese-o-meter would we find Jack and Diane? Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 09:20am |
anon: "That clearly did not apply to Kit, who thinks all of Journey's music "sucks." Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 09:29am |
"Again, why is cheesy bad?" Posted by Anon on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 14:44pm |
Anon says: "...- those Journey Ballads were classics and were great, emotionally moving songs. Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 15:32pm |
I would quantify them as follows: Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 16:16pm |
Ask a 1000 people, "If something is referred to as cheesy" what does it mean? Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 17:01pm |
For funny...see Huey Lewis blog.... Posted by ANON on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 17:28pm |
okay, I probably didn't need to qualify my statement with the Joni stuff. But, here's my take on why cheesy=bad. Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.12.07 @ 15:12pm |
It's really amazing and a shame that JM hasn't been inducted in the Hall. The only thing I can think of is he made some enemies with his behavior along the way. Those that think of him as a "pop singer" have not listened to his body of work, guaranteed. "Words and Music" gives a fine overview and that album alone qualifies him, but he goes deeper than that. Although he's no springsteen (who is?), he is at least as worthy as Petty or Seger. Posted by Bill on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 09:43am |
Couldn't agree more heartily, Bill. Posted by shawn on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 10:12am |
My take....Joel and Petty are better than JM. But, JM is better than Seger and Browne Posted by Anon on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 12:23pm |
I'd rank them Petty, Browne, Mellencamp, Seger, Joel. Posted by Kit on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 15:51pm |
Na...lyrically and musically Joel is the front runner...not to mention that his greatest hits album is fifth best selling of all time. Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 18:19pm |
I like all those artists and my ranking is strictly my opinion, but I feel Joel's lowlights drag him down. Petty has yet to have the sort of mis-step Billy had all through the eighties. Posted by Kit on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 19:32pm |
Yeah, totally awesome, gag me with a spoon... Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 05.16.07 @ 12:17pm |
...what? Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 05.16.07 @ 14:29pm |
It was a poor attempt at humor b/c you had said "awesome." Remember back in the day, valley girl....anyway, it was dumb Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.16.07 @ 19:31pm |
John is way over due .... makes you relly wonder about the whole selection process !! Posted by Debbie on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 20:10pm |
JOHN SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE ROCK N ROLLL HALL OF FAME AS SOON AS HE WAS UP AND THAT WAS IN 2001...ITS TIME TO ROCK N ROLL WITH JOHN BEING IN....SOME DAYS I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!!!!PEACE Posted by RHONDA on Monday, 05.28.07 @ 05:31am |
John Cougar was not different or influential. Just top 40 garbage. He is a fuckin sell out too...no way Posted by Gary on Tuesday, 06.5.07 @ 16:41pm |
"He is a fuckin sell out too.." Posted by shawn mc on Tuesday, 06.5.07 @ 17:36pm |
John Cougar Mellencamp is to Bruce Springsteen what the Beatles are to Freddie and the Dreamers. Actually, if they would quit filling the HOF with such as the Jackson Five, the Ronettes and all of that (c)rap, there would be plenty of room for Mellencamp, Jethro Tull, the Moody Blues, Chicago, ELP, ELO and Yes! Posted by punster1941 on Friday, 06.22.07 @ 03:55am |
Sorry punster1941, but anyone with ears or an appreciation for the canon of rock would take Jackson Five/The Ronettes over any of those dated, and dare I say it, boring classic rock acts you mentioned. Posted by Casper on Friday, 06.22.07 @ 13:46pm |
Hey, Casper - Everybody knows that classic rock rules, with the Beatles as its masters. Using the term "rock" to describe the Ronettes is like characterizing something from McDonals's or Pizza Hut as "food". You're probably a big Archies fan, and it wouldn't surprise me if your all-time favorite song was "Chapel of Love". Posted by punster1941 on Sunday, 06.24.07 @ 20:01pm |
Casper you seriously prefer the Ronettes to Jethro Tull!! I mean I am not even sure you can call the ronettes musicians.Jethro Tull were great musicians and their early bluesy prog songs are definitly not boring and dated. Posted by roméo on Tuesday, 09.4.07 @ 13:16pm |
The music of J5 and The Ronettes is amongst the catchiest, most meticulously crafted pop music of the era. Jethro Tull and Chicago have no music of such caliber. Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 09.4.07 @ 14:32pm |
John Mellencamp is an anti-American pig. He talks about how "great" America is in songs like "Pink Houses" and "Our Country", but he just contradicts himself. He might donate money to the farmers every year, but what pisses me off is how he invited Joan Baez to protest the war in front of Walter Reade Hospital where there were,and still are heroic patriotic troops recovering from Iraq. That is totally 100% Posted by danny on Sunday, 09.23.07 @ 07:46am |
"but what pisses me off is how he invited Joan Baez to protest the war in front of Walter Reade Hospital" Posted by liam on Sunday, 09.23.07 @ 07:58am |
here's what i think of his music career Posted by danny on Sunday, 09.23.07 @ 08:40am |
a final opinion which says nothig about whether or not he should be inducted. well done Posted by liam on Sunday, 09.23.07 @ 09:03am |
" John Mellencamp is an anti-American pig...he just contradicts himself. He might donate money to the farmers every year, but what pisses me off is how he invited Joan Baez to protest the war" Posted by shawn on Sunday, 09.23.07 @ 12:37pm |
I said it before and I'll say it again. It's amazing the amount of hate and disrespect Mellencamp gets. I guarantee without a doubt many of those who disrespect him have not listened completely to his albums. To those ignorant idiots who think he is nothing more than a shallow pop singer, go listen to HUMAN WHEELS, or JOHN MELLENCAMP, or FREEDOMS ROAD a couple of times with an unbiased ear. He's consistently made solid music for over 20 years, yet noone seems to listen. Posted by Bill on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 13:48pm |
He's a LOCK this year (FINALLY). 3 decades of incredible writing... For those of you who don't seem to know how things work in advertising...the songs come first, then the corporations come in and buy them up because they are GOOD, CATCHY or fit the image they want to place on their product. Hello, legends like the Who sell their songs all the time and John Lennon's "Instant Karma" was the song for NIKE for quite awhile. So saying he sold out to Chevy is an argument that just doesn't hold water. Fact is, Mellencamp has 10 to 15 iconic songs that have stood the test of time and that is alot more than half the people already in the Rock Hall. He deserves to be in and will be this year. Posted by Randy on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 12:34pm |
Continued... Posted by Randy on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 13:01pm |
not really worthy...A BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN KNOCK-OFF. Posted by Charleton on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 14:43pm |
not really worthy...A BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN KNOCK-OFF. Posted by Charleton on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 14:43pm |
To call him a Springsteen knock-off is asinine. He got that label early in his career and it hasn't been accurate since 1980. Get with the times. Mellencamp most certainly deserves induction and will get in this year. It's long overdue. He'll shut the mouths of his moronic detrators once and for all. Posted by David on Wednesday, 10.3.07 @ 23:40pm |
I think he was trying to be Springsteen in the Jack and Diane era but in the mid 80's managed to carve out a niche for himself by combining rockabilly and square dance music....kind of a neat sound. Songs like Walk Tall are a positive message.......... Posted by SG on Wednesday, 10.3.07 @ 23:57pm |
"but in the mid 80's managed to carve out a niche for himself by combining rockabilly and square dance music....kind of a neat sound." -SG Posted by shawn on Thursday, 10.4.07 @ 10:30am |
"Appreciate your support of JM, SG, but he wasn't remotely either of those charicatured sounds. That's just silly - but that's what you were probably going for." Shawn Posted by SG on Friday, 10.5.07 @ 02:09am |
man this john, is another one.. who shouldve been inducted years ago.. whats wrong with some peps these days.. come on.. put him through Posted by popeye on Sunday, 10.7.07 @ 13:23pm |
Let me just say that the above comments were generic enough that it could just be someone else named Shawn. I don't claim to know. Posted by William on Monday, 10.22.07 @ 05:40am |
How is Mellencamp not in already? Way, Way, Way, Way....Overdue! Posted by Shane on Monday, 10.29.07 @ 16:35pm |
Way, Way, Way, Way....Overdue Posted by Anyonomous on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 17:20pm |
HAHAHAHAHA...... Is this really you saying this shit, Anon? Posted by shawn on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 19:18pm |
That was not me...some other dude posing as me :-) I think JM is pretty good and I like his music...I am on the fence for the hall, but that was not me Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 19:23pm |
In Regards to Anyonomous (note spelling), those who state JM is a Springsteen wannabe have not bothered to listen to all of JM's work, and anyone who states that Springsteen isn't that good of an artist loses all semblance of credibility. JM's music and sound is original and his own. The only similarity to Bruce is their exploration of issues relevant to Americans. Both do it in their own style. Posted by Bill on Friday, 11.9.07 @ 11:02am |
Hey Kit, Mellancamp should be in regardless of the name change or not. Do you think he is the only artist who has done that. Your probably the same a hole who will vote for that no talent pig britney. Posted by Randy on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 11:30am |
"Your probably the same a hole who will vote for that no talent pig britney."-Randy Posted by William on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 11:44am |
Posted by greg on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 14:34pm |
I forgot other songs Posted by greg on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 14:41pm |
Ha you're really fucking funny greg, you know that? Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 14:44pm |
In a juvenile, right-wing, baptist american shit for brains kind of way. Posted by greg on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 14:58pm |
"Mellencamp's as American as a rotten apple shoved up my ass." Posted by Liam, Arbiter of Good Taste on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 15:03pm |
I am Liam, Arbiter of Good Taste!!!!!!!! Posted by greg on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 15:20pm |
Yeah, wait, did I ever actually say he was good? Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 15:25pm |
"And I could name better artists thann those you listed" Posted by greg on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 16:13pm |
This list is kind of dubious, as I actually am into some of the bands you listed. But here we go: Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 16:21pm |
You Mellencamp haters are really ridiculous. Go away now, really. Theres no place for you here. I wouldn't mind if you came up with some intelligent anti-JM arguments, but you can't. Your views revolve around matters of taste, not credibility. Now I can go on and on JM and his band, but if you haven't got it by now, you never will, so I won't waste my breath. He's finally in. All that matters. Posted by Bill on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 09:37am |
"You Mellencamp haters are really ridiculous" Posted by greg on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 17:17pm |
Mellencamp is as American as: Posted by harry on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 17:45pm |
Hello danny - what demon gnaws at your diseased Frankenpatriot brain that compels you to slobber out such puerile hatred for John Mellencamp? Posted by shawn on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 23:08pm |
"and he says he's "all-American" when really he ridicules our president and the present war." Posted by liam on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 11:18am |
"Also, if you're idea of "patriotism" is mindless obedience and zero-critiscism to whatever government happens to be in power, then you're an incredibly stupid little fuck head who will gain no respect on this site." Posted by harry on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 16:52pm |
Hello danny - what demon gnaws at your diseased Frankenpatriot brain that compels you to slobber out such puerile hatred for John Mellencamp?You have no actual knowledge of the man's music, and you're obviously of the same cloth as a Nazi skinhead; only thing that distinguishes you from other hate filled animals like white supremicists and Al Quaida terrorists is you grabbed an American flag to drape over your need to hate in your juvenile attempt to legitimize it. Posted by harry on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 16:59pm |
Well harry, if your U.S.ofA. beatin' heart motivates you so forcefully as to feel comfortable placing Mellencamp's own American sentiments side by side with fecal matter, Adolf Hitler, a vandalized flag and a dead bald eagle, then I'm going to go ahead and assume that you have a very thorough knowledge of John Mellencamp's music and an abundance of examples to give us of his reprehensible anti-American propaganda, yes? Posted by shawn on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 18:15pm |
Shawn, or whoever you are today I really think I was clear in my posting and all you seem to do at this site is start arguments with people about things that are not even related to music. Posted by harry on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 19:24pm |
Hey "harry" or whoever YOU are - (you better be very careful... hahaha)- I asked you a very specific question that is both entirely about music and is a response to YOUR own post. Posted by shawn on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 21:28pm |
You watching this, Liam? He really thinks I can't see him under there. This is hilarious. Posted by shawn on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 21:29pm |
You can stress the same brainless gobble bobble till your red neck turns blue, but until you spit out some actual facts or sound reasons, it'll just be you pissing in the wind some more. loudmouth. Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 22:04pm |
If you want proof like you want go to this webpage Posted by harry/danny on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 09:35am |
"He talks about being lied to by the government and wanting to take it back" Posted by Ryan on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 09:40am |
Ryan, the government didn't lie to us and you know it. We'e in Iraq for protection from being attacked and avoiding another 9/11. If someone was a true patriotic American, they would see how Posted by harry/danny on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 09:59am |
NOTE: All views expressed by danny are strictly his own and not necessarily representing the opinions of all Americans. Posted by A-Killa on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 10:09am |
"Ryan, the government didn't lie to us and you know it." Posted by Ryan on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 11:38am |
Liam, give me your view on Mellencamp now, and don't say that he's the best, because that doesn't count. If you can find articles that contradict the articles that I gave, then do it. Posted by harry/danny on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 12:55pm |
At the moment, I'd say my opinion isn't relevant: he's been inducted, and YOU were the one who used Mellencamp's so called "anti-patriotism" as a factor toward why he shouldn't be/have been inducted. Posted by liam on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 13:04pm |
"YOUR IDOL IS A TRAITOR AND HE SHOULD BE HUNG AT THE GALLOWS.." - danny Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 14:49pm |
Shawn, Liam, Ryan have you any fucking idea what I'm trying to say. I think I was right the whole Posted by harry/danny on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 07:24am |
"Mellencamp isn't just a pacifist Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 08:00am |
"Shawn, Liam, Ryan have you any fucking idea what I'm trying to say" Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 08:34am |
I'm the only one who is actually making sense here. Oh and by the way liam, true patriotism is shooing away those who ridicule our president, and our war as well as hanging all the traitors. Posted by harry/danny on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 07:59am |
"I'm the only one who is actually making sense here." Posted by liam on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 08:26am |
Foghat. Johnny Winter. Lou Reed. Alice Cooper. Shit, AC wrote some great 3-4 minute rock songs. Grand Funk.........never a big fan but they were there from early on. Posted by j scott on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 09:05am |
"Jack and Diane" one of the worst songs of the boring 80's. There are much better artists outthere. Instead of Mellencamp, Jeff Beck should be in the RRHF. Posted by Sam on Monday, 01.14.08 @ 00:38am |
Before you flame, please read the entire post. Posted by TAG on Tuesday, 01.15.08 @ 12:03pm |
TAG, if JM shouldn't get in, neither should many, many others who have already gotten in. If you want to limit it to The Beatles, Stones, Dylan, Springsteen, Elvis and a few others, fine, then he doesn't belong. But when the Hall lets Seger, Petty, Patty Smith, Van Halen, Ramones, among countless others in, JM unquestionably belongs. Posted by Bill on Friday, 01.18.08 @ 13:45pm |
If you are a true American who wants the U.S. to bomb the living shit out of our enemies then boycott JM's music because apparently he sides with the enemy because he doesn't want people to bomb Bin Laden in the event he's found. I was a JM fan until I saw him in 2003 in concert when he Posted by leonard on Friday, 01.18.08 @ 19:07pm |
Bill, I agree that there are plenty of acts that might not be worthy, but it's funny, most of the acts you mentioned, in my opinion, are very deserving. Again for ongoing influence, The Ramones, Patti Smith and Petty are not going away in my lifetime. Van Halen really taught a lot of bands how to put on a good show, there were others before them, but they really perfected the idea of not standing on stage and just playing. Again, just my opinion, and this is no knock on Mellencamp, I have several albums on my ipod, and enjoy them regularly, just don't think that he is particularly original or influential. I do however agree about Seger for the same reasons, love his music, but don't think he should be in either (although he did, if I'm not mistaken, make a decent name for himself as a songwriter in addition to performer). Posted by TAG on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 06:59am |
Shut the fukk up Leonard - you're an imbecile. Posted by Blue on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 09:34am |
TAG, your sentiment has been echoed by others as far as influene goes and I understand that point of view. JM oddly has been much more influential for country artists than today's rock. Keith Urban, Kenny Chesney and others have cited JM as influential to their music. I just listened to The Lonesome Jubilee the other day for the first time in a while, and the freshness, eloquence and originality of that sound stood out as if I heard it the first time. I can't think of another record that sounds like that. This sound more often influences today's country than rock. Posted by Bill on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 11:11am |
Leonard obviously has some misplaced aggression issues. That, coupled with one of those dumb-downed 'us vs them' views of the world makes for a lovely combination. He's one of the worst kinds of mock patriots; I am embarrassed of him as a fellow American Posted by Blue on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 18:55pm |
Leonard is obviously a joke. (nobody really thinks like him). Ignore him. Posted by Bill on Sunday, 01.20.08 @ 11:33am |
"At least I'm not a self hating American" Posted by Blue on Sunday, 01.20.08 @ 23:13pm |
JOHN MELLENCAMP"AKA" JOHN KING MENSTRAL CRAMP"MY FAVPRITE ARTIST OF THE LAST 30 YEARS--YES JOHN I BOUGHT YOUR FIRST ALBUM IN 1979-BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU LOOKED COOL AND BOY WAS I WRONG--I BOUGHT ALL OF YOUR ALBUMS FROM 1979--2004 OR SO--NOW YOU SHOULD RETIRE PEACEFULLY-IN FLORIDA NEXT TO A JEWISH COUPLE SOMEWHERE AND ANYWAYS ITS AN HONOR TO SEE YOU GET INDUCTED IN TO THE HALL OF FAME IN 2008!NOW WITH YOU BEING INDUCTED AND ESPECIALLY WITH BILLY JOEL INDUCTING YOU--I FEEL THEY SHOULD WITHOUT QUESTION MAKE DWARF THROWING A TRUE LEGAL AND LEGITIMATE SPORT BUT THE TRUTH IS YOU AND BILLY SCARY ME YOU ARE BOTH EXTREMELY DANGEROUS INDIDIVIDUALS AND SHOULD APPREHENDED IMMEDIETLY AT ONCE BY THE NON CHURCH POLICE AND NON GESTAPO MUSIC AUTHORITY PEEPS...JOHN WHEN YOU SING"YOU CAN BEND ME OR BREAK ME BUT YOU GOTTA STAY CLEAR IN YOUR SONG"WALLS COME TUMBLING DOWN"I ALMOST SH-T IN MY PANTS A-SAP AFTER HEARING THAT LINE,,,(DUDE YOU HAVE HAD MORE PUTANG IN YOUR CAREER THAN A PUTANG PLANT( A LESBOSOS PLANT--FROM PLANET LESBOSOS)...ALSO WALLS--YOU MUST MEAN PUTANG WALLS COME TUMBLING JOYFULLY...EVERYONE GATHER AROUND AND NOW HERES THE DEAL...SHORT PEOPLE ARE VERY Dangerous-WHETHER BEING NUTRADOMIOUS OR NAPEOLEAN OR EVEN STALIN OR THE ULTIMATE SICKO TRICKY DICK VON ADOLF"THE H MAN" NIXON...YOU ARE NOW AN A.I.G.F.L. "AN IMMORTAL GENTILE FOR LIFE"...JOHN YOUR THE BEST AND THANKS... P.S. KEEP BEING OBNOXIOUS LIKE BILLY JOEL AND I'LL BIOTCH SLAP YOU(HAHA ONLY KIDDING HAHA ITS ALL COOL AND YOUR THE BEST AND YOU ROCK! MY BROTHER,PEACE,2008!P.S. YOU BETTER INVITE ME TO THAT CEREMONY..DAN BARCAN...NEW JERSEY,USA... Posted by DAN BARCAN on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 10:00am |
P.S.. JOHN YOU SHOULD BRING A REGULAR GUY LIKE ME(DAN BARCAN) UP ON STAGE FOR A SHORT INTRODUCTION-IT WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS YOU BEING THE FIRST REAL ARTIST WHO EVER CARED WHAT A FAN THOUGHT-- EVEN SLIGHTLY ABOUT HIS FANS!BUT YOU PROBABLY WONT AND PLUS I Posted by DAN BARCAN on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 10:17am |
JOHN--HEY DAN SAYING HI AGAIN...-- LOOK::: LISTEN :::SINCE YOUR GERMAN AND BILLY JOEL IS JEWISH(AND DANGEROUS WHEN INTOXICATED--HEY DRIVE OVER AND THROUGH ANY HOUSES LATELY WILLIAM???BILLY SHOULD BE HIRED WITH JUST HIS LITTLE SPORTS CAR TO BE THE FIRST SMALL CAR AND SMALL PERSON SINGULAR RECKING CREW COMBINATION TO BE USED AS A HOUSE BULLDOZER AND A STADIUM DESTROYER AND REMOVER--OH WAIT A SECOND::: SOMEONE JUST DROVE THROUGH MY LIVING ROOM::i KNEW I SHOULD NEVER HAVE RENTED A HOUSE IN LONG ISLAND,,,P.S.NOW BILLY DON'T YOU LAUGH AT ALL::: DO YOU POSSIBLY KNOW WHATS ITS LIKE TO BE DANCING(LIKE FRED ASTAIRE INCOINCIDENTALLY IN THE AIR WHILE YOUR EATING DINNER OR SITING ON YOUR COUCH IN YOUR LIVING ROOM--I THINK I LEARNED HOW TO FLY THANKS TO YOU BILLY SCMUCK BUT ITS ALL COOL-ITS OK::ITS ALL GOOD--YOUR BRO IS HERE::: ANYWAYS JOHN WHAT WAS I SAYING??OH YEA--I'M BOTH JEWISH AND ENGLISH AND GERMAN(WITH AN IRISH FIRST AND LAST NAME WITH AN ENGLISH BACKGROUND--YOU WONDER WHY I'M SO F-CKED UP???ANYWAYS JOHN AND BILLY LIKE DOESN'T THAT MEAN WE SHOULD ALL BE AT THE HALL OF FAME TOGETHER??? WE ARE ALL BROTHERS ANYWAYS:::OH WAIT A SECOND--DAMN I MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT--I HAVE TO PICK MY NOSE AND WATCH MORE TELEVISION RE-RUNS THAT NIGHT--IS IT MARCH 10TH GUYS??...JOHN ITS ABOUT ALL OF US--ALL 3 OF US--AND MAINLY YOU JOHN AND YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS)THE ROCK AND ROLL FAMILY-DON'T SELL OUT COMPLETELY(SAVE THAT FOR BILLY-- HAHA J/K)YOU GOTTA LET ME PRE--INTRODUCE YOU OR AT LEAST MINIMALLY HAVE A SEAT NEAR THE KING(ME)HAHA-- OK YOUR THE KING-I HATE TO ADMIT IT BUT YOUR THE BEST THING ROCK AND ROLLS GOT!HERES MY SPEECH:::LADIES AND GENTLEMAN::PEOPLE OF THIS INSTUTION WE CALL THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME ::JOHN MELLENCAMP IS THE FIRST SO CALLED ROCKSTAR TO ACTUALLY BRING UP ONE OF HIS FANS-MYSELF FOR SURE DAN BARCAN:::NOT DYLAN,JAGGER OR MCCARTNEY(THAT IRISH PRICK--(JOKING PAUL)-(I LOVE YOU BROTHER)FROM HIS AMAZING FIRST OFFICIAL ALBUM IN 1979 SIMPLY TITLED JOHN COUGAR SMOKING A CIG(THOSE THINGS ARE DANGEROUS JOHN--P.S. IS YOUR CHOLESTEROL STILL 240??YOUR SISTERS 300??))) LIKE A NEW JAMES DEAN OF HIS GENERATION I THINK I BOUGHT YOUR ALBUM IN 1979 AND A GUY CALLED DB COOPER THAT DAY(MY CAREER HAS GONE LIKE DB'S ITS ALL IN THE INITIALS-ANYWAYS!ALSO I WOULD LATER BUY CHESTNUT STREET INCIDENTS(AND EXPERIENCE HUMAN TORTURE FIRST HAND--JOHN BURN THOSE EARLY ALBUMS(JOKING)...LIKE MY IDOL DON RICKLES AKA "UNCLE FESTER" I TRULY ADMIRE YOUR ARTISTIC INTEGRITY THROUGHOUT THE YEARS--DON IS ONE OF YOUR ENTERTAINMENT PEERS YOUR BOTH OLDER THAN DIRT BUT WE ALL LOVE YOU ANYWAYS:::(P.S.ATTENTION JOHN OH JOHN ARE YOU THERE??EXCUSE ME" PLEASE BURN "NOTHING MATTERS WHAT IF IT DID" AND "AMERICAN FOOL ALSO--OK I TAKE THAT BACK ABOUT "AMERICAN FOOL",ANYWAYS JOHN IS REALLY ONE OF US NO MATTER HOW HARD HE TRIES NOT TO BE...HE SINGS FOR ALL OF US ABOUT THE STRUGGLES OF EVERYDAY LIFE FOR THE MODERN DAY MAN BASING A LOT OF THOSE THEMES ON GENERATIONS BEFORE US>>>MORE THAN ANY ARTIST SINCE WOODY GUTHRIE-JOHN IS THE TRUE VOICE FOR EVERYMAN -ESPECIALLY THOSE LIKE MYSELF WHO HAVE TROUBLE FINDING WORK- QUITE OFTEN(INCLUDING NOW),PEOPLE WHO ARE UNIQUE GET LEFT OUT"""I NEVER HAD NO WEIRD HAIR TO GET MY SONGS OVER" PEOPLE WHO DON'T FIT INTO THESE FAKE CORPORATIONS AND CONSTANT GREED MACHINES AND ANY GENERATION COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT::: MEANING ITS ABOUT--US ALL:::-- NOT JUST SOME OF US::: JOHN YOU BROUGHT THAT TO THE WORLDS ATTENTION THAT WE ALL CAN PLAY AT SOME POINT ON THE WORLDS STAGE WITH ARE TRULY UNIQUE VISIONS AND ARTISTIC ENDEAVORS AND FREE SPIRIT THOUGHTS AND INTELLECTUAL MINDS:::THANKS JOHN AND KEEP ON CHOOGLIN--THANKS JOHN FOGERTY AND WELCOME TO THE GENTILE HALL OF FAME AND SH-T+ WHOOPS:::JOHN FOGERTY PLESE ACCEPT YOUR AWARD A-SAP SORRY WRONG JOHN(FOGERTY),JOHN COUGAR MELLENCAMP YOU KNOW I MEAN YOU--THIS ENTIRE ROCK AND ROLL COMMUNITY OWES YOU GRATITUDE(DID I SPELL GRADITUDE RIGHT JOHN?WHY I HAVE NO DAMN IDEA??BUT WE ALL DO(OR IS IT DUE?)OR DOO?)JOHN NOW HERES YOUR FAVORITE DWARF AND MINE LADIES AND GENTLEMAN BILLY AKA WILLIAM JOEL TO GIVE YOU HIS FULL SPEECH OF WHAT YOU MEAN TO THE GENTILE AND NON GENTILE COMMUNTIES BILLY TAKE IT AWAY!DB IN DA GENTILE HOUSE--PEACE OUT PEEPS...DB...PRE HALL OF FAME SPEECH FOR JOHN COUGAR MELLENCAMP!!!(WE ALL HOPE THIS CAN BE FOR REAL BUT DONT COUNT ON IT...)DB... Posted by DAN BARCAN on Wednesday, 03.5.08 @ 22:48pm |
Hey John+Staff please if you don't mind reminding Jann Wenner for me and his and your staff please-- that i will need a Limo to and from the Waldorf Hotel,a private room,a song or 2,a speech or 2(all expenses and my complete stay paid for by Jann+yoru staff John(you have 100 million or so John this like a worker buying an extra sandwhich in his lunch pale at 7/11 for another worker-just a drop in the bucket!(Have Rolling Stone magazine right it off as a non diplomatic expense--a meeting of the gentile and non gentile minds if you feel more comfortable about that John+staff...Top of the Line treatment for me,myself and I(Dan Barcan) and all access to chill or as i put it john,,,chillski...Peace and hope to see you guys on monday!DB... Posted by DAN BARCAN on Saturday, 03.8.08 @ 15:39pm |
DAN...when Dr. Dimento gets inducted I'm almost POSITIVE he will send a limo for you!!! Posted by Terry on Saturday, 03.8.08 @ 16:14pm |
Wow. This board is even more interesting than Madonna's. Lets face it JM is simply a very mediocre artist. Ask anyone on the street how many songs can they name by him. You would be lucky to get two or three. Granted popularity is not prerequisit for the hall, but then again how many artists has he influenced? Posted by Jake on Saturday, 03.22.08 @ 23:01pm |
".but then again how many artists has he influenced?" Posted by Blue on Saturday, 03.22.08 @ 23:20pm |
The Clash Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 04.2.08 @ 09:27am |
JAKE--I THINK I MAY BE THE ONLY ARTIST INFLUENCED(SLIGHTLY)BY JOHN KING COUGAR JOHNSON MENSTRAL CRAMPS...DAN b... Posted by DAN BARCAN on Thursday, 04.10.08 @ 14:42pm |
Good question Roy. I think that's a definite possibility, considering I know a lot about John and the Clash is one of my all-time favorite bands. Posted by a on Friday, 04.11.08 @ 07:37am |
Jake, I would venture to say the average guy on the street knows at least as many JM songs as Springsteen songs. Most of his "Words and Music" album is very familiar to many. As far as influence, his music, especially Lonesome Jubilee era stuff is very influential to modern country/country rock. Posted by Bill on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 16:57pm |
I have pondered the question for a number of years regarding the current motives of various "High profile" award associations. Posted by Scott Russell on Tuesday, 04.15.08 @ 23:14pm |
Rock & Roll Jeopardy Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 07.23.09 @ 22:12pm |
Rock & Roll Jeopardy Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 07.23.09 @ 22:20pm |
Distress ferments the humors, casts them into their meet channels, throws off redundancies, and helps feather in those secretive distributions, without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the man fake with cheerfulness. Posted by Celexa on Tuesday, 08.24.10 @ 10:20am |
Vex ferments the humors, casts them into their right channels, throws bad redundancies, and helps species in those hush-hush distributions, without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the man role of with cheerfulness. Posted by Celexa on Tuesday, 08.24.10 @ 12:39pm |
Vex ferments the humors, casts them into their proper channels, throws eccentric redundancies, and helps feather in those confidential distributions, without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the man role of with cheerfulness. Posted by Celexa on Tuesday, 08.24.10 @ 14:43pm |
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Various kinds of suits there were, but the mode of procedure was probably the same in all. This part of the subject is necessarily obscure to us, and it is not likely that, when with all the help of the whole Corpus Iuris the actual procedure of Justinian's day is by no means clear to us, these Lays should give much information. Plaintiff and defendant are said, 'deila sacar,' a phrase which shows that the best description of the primitive Teutonic law-suit would be a feud in court.
Of phrases denoting legis actiones: first is 'cueðja,' to summons, or better, to call on the defendant to perform some act in law (whence the term 'cuöð,' a duty or demand or summons, is in later law derived). The word 'cuiðr' which stands for verdict, legal declaration, is of high importance, for it implies a 'quest' or 'recognitio' by sworn witnesses in our later authorities; and there is nothing to forbid the theory that even as early as these poems some jury of inquest was established in the North. The age of the poem, the Old Play of the Wolsungs, and the truly archaic form of the term 'heimis-quiðr' occurring in it, is a strong though isolated piece of evidence to this effect.
Of any jury of presentment or the like, if such there were, nought remains to tell.
A court must be full to give judgment. W. Pl. 241.
To deny is 'synja'; to acknowledge an act 'lýsa'; to set up a false plea 'dylja'; to upset a decision or an adversary's claim 'quiðja,' Lat. 'ueto.'
The strict observance of time in archaic law is noted here also, the man who missed his day was treated as a wilful defaulter, 'þing-logi.'
The plea or declaration or doom of the judge is 'orð,' which stands for any 'legis uerbum,' cf. 'ban-orð,' etc.
To decide a point of law is 'leggia lög,' to lay down the law, as we have it still in familiar speech.
Of a suit for weregild
the old summons is given ---
sídan Sigmundar bur
oc hringa Hundings synir,
at þeir átto iöfri at gialda
micit oc föðor dauða.
buðlungr bótir uppi
niðja in heldr nef-giöld fá. Helg. I. 41-46.
Other passages dealing
with procedure in court are ---
or scógi þannz wildom sycnan:
af þuí þingi ......
þú söc sœttir ne slœcðir aðra,
aualt uægja enn uætci halda.
um þuí láta. Atlam. 365-9.
slícs scylde synja aldri
fyr annan þar es munoð deilir. Oddr. 88-9.
slícs synja. Atlam. 247, see also Ord. 28.
ertu, Atli, ferr þu uíg lýsa. Atlam. 243.
mun þic eigi dóttir G ...... Atlam. 328.
þeir dyljendr ugdo. Akv. 5. cor.
ertu Hyndla. Hyndl. 24 and Rimeg. 32.
dul. Yng. 35.
ec com snemma ec callaði
dómualdz dura
......... ec heitinn warc. Ch. W. 118-9. cor.
cuiðjar engi maðr. Swip. 237.
þat hœft at heyrom scyli
Fáfnir fiár. W. Pl. 39-40. n. cor.
þær lög lögðo. Vsp. 51-2.
The person upon whom the burden of proof fell, must prove his innocence according to the prescribed method, and as in other Teutonic law systems, the oath seems to have played a great part here. With its forms we deal later on.
But the ordeal and the judgment of battle was enjoined in some cases, though we do not know the details. The old poet advises the suitor or defendant to appeal to the sword rather than run the risk of having foul charges brought against one, and expresses a doubtless well-founded distrust of the verdict of a jury of inquest ---
þu sacar deilir
heimsca hali
es betra en bregðasc sé
orð-stöfom. W. Pl. 291-4.
The ordeal described is one in which a woman is accused of adultery and offers to purge herself, the ordeal proving her innocent, her accuser (also a woman) is put to the same proof and fails. The oath as in later times is taken before the ordeal. The lady has the right of denying the charge by champion, but has no champion to bring forward. The ordeal is public.
munec allz þess eiða uinna,
inom huíta helga steini
ec uið Þióðmars son þattci áttac
uörð ne uerr uinna cnátti. Ord. 9-12.
mundi Högni slícs harms reca,
uerðec sialf fyr mic synja lýta. Ord. 27-8.
at Saxa Sunn-manna gram
cann helga huer uellanda. Ord. 21-2.
hundrod seggja í sal gengo
cuán conungs i cetil tœci. Ord. 23-4.
hón til botz biörtom lófa
hón upp um tóc iarcna-steina
nú, seggir, sycn em ec ordin
hue siá huerr uelli.' Ord. 29-32.
maðr armlict huerr es þat sáat
þar á H ...... (the accuser) hendr suiðnoðo. Ord. 37-38.
Of another early legis actio, wager of battle, or 'duellum,' a late example only occurs, resembling cases given in Landnáma-bóc,
holm þeir gengo fyr ið horsca uíf
fengo báðir bana. Ch. W. 59-60.
the place of fight, a holm or eyre, where the combatants are in view, but cut off from interference; this passage also gives the usual term between summons and trial ---
hefir stillir ...... stefnt til eyrar
nátta scylac til þings coma. Helg. II. 56.
The lines in Havamal, 'ef ec skal til orrosto leiða lang-uini,' may possibly refer to the wager or ordeal by battle. The words for fixing and calling a moot and a battle are the same, 'heyja' or 'leggia' or 'stefna til'; both meetings are to decide moot questions. Even the ordinary pitched battle between hosts is regarded as a legal mode of decision, as the phrases 'ual-stefna,' 'hior-stefna,' 'hior-thing,' 'brímis dómar,' cf. Helg. I. 76, 49, 216, 147, 207, and the 'bryn-thing' of the W. W. L. 85, would show. Cf. C. P. B. ii. 483, and the fine article on the Wager of Battle in the Chansons de Geste in Z. f. Rom. Phil. 1885, by M. Pfeffer.
The classification of wounds is necessary in early systems of law where compensation must be adjusted according to it. The deadly wound or mortal wound is 'ben,' used chiefly in the plural 'benjar.' The verb 'benja' is once used.
engi maðr angr-lióð kueða
mer á briósti benjar líti. Helg. II. 341-2.
brátt benja, bandz quað hann þörf œnga. Atlam. 325.
mínn hefir þu benjaðan. W. Pl. 158.
'Und' is a wound that can be healed, and 'sár,' sore, usually a cut wound.
brœðr þínom blódokt sár,
dreyrgar knættir yfir binda. L. B. L. 129-30.
With this branch of the subject that of punishment is closely connected. Tacitus, who notices the division of crimes among the early Teutons, speaks of flagrant crimes being exposed by hanging the culprit, disgusting ones hidden away by drowning the offender.
But here the reasons he gives are his own, and they are far too late in sentiment to be true: the real reason surely is that such criminals, if men, were sent to Wodan, if women were given to Ran or Hell, the men were sent to the gallows, the women to the pit or fen. The pit and gallows stood on the west of the moot-places or the prince's hall ready for use. The execution of such offenders by sacratio originally was regarded, we suppose, as purging the nation of any guilt or sin that might be imputed to it for thier offences.
The gallows were horse-shaped, not of the modern conventional signpost-shape, hence the metaphors of 'riding the gallows,' 'riding to Woden,' and the like.
hangir fyr uestan dyrr. Grimn. 35.
uind-cöld uestan bœjar
systor-son sáran á meiði. Hamd. 81-2.
ec sé á tré uppi
uirgil-ná. Havam. 96-7.
hécc Vinga-meiði á
undaðr oc gefinn Óðni. Havam. 9-11.
heðan bíðit meðan ec hœgg yðr galga. Atlam. 134.
The custom of first wounding the criminal with the spear, marking him to Woden, was evidently observed at this time, as it occurs in the story of Starkad, C. P. B. i. 467.
The woman's execution, which Tacitus tells us was also meted out to cowards or unnatural criminals, who were counted as women, is thus described.
þá mey í mýri fúla:
uarð G ....... sycn sinna harma. Ord. 39-40.
There occurs also notice of what looks like an archaic form of execution, adopted where the criminal or foe was slain in revenge, possibly a devotion to the dead man who was to be revenged --- the bloody eagle marked on the back by the sword, a process described by later sagas, but clearly without any knowledge of its original meaning.
es blóðogr örn bitrom hiörui
Sigmundar á baci ristinn. W. W. L. 39-40.
The witch or wizard (as in later days the heretic) was to be burnt or stoned, nor earth nor water could receive even the body of such a criminal. To kindle such a fire is 'slá eldi um': cf. Hyndla Lay, where the witch is threatened with fire, the appropriate punishment for her peculiar crime.
muntu á báli oc barið grióti ádr. Atlam. 312.
This burning would also prevent haunting, as the decollation and placing of the severed head at the thigh of the body prevents it. Cf. Grettis Saga in the Story of Glam. (6)
The convicted criminal might be, as in nearly all nations at an early stage, banished or put out of law, and the same word is used for him as for the convicted and executed criminal, 'uargr,' the wolf (the wolf's-head of our early law), the nobler exile 'wræcca' seems to be legally one driven abroad, but not convicted, as 'flyma' was the mere fugitive. The outlaw lives in the wood, gaining his living as a bandito, hated and feared and pitied.
þu uærir uargr á uiðom úti. Helg. I. 268.
þeir urdo or næmdir huíuetna
runno sem uargar til uiðar. Chr. W. 39-40.
uidi wrecasc. G. W. 34.
es þer, stillir, stæcct ór landi? Helg. II. 48.
hefir micil glœpr meiri sóttan. Helg. II. 50.
or scógi þannz uildom sycnan. Atlam. 360.
6. The latter practice has survived till our own day in Corsica, though, as far as I could ascertain in the case I know, without any knowledge of its early meaning. Note the famous case in Glendower's day of the mutilation of slain Englishmen by the Welsh women. Cf. the article in American Journ. Philol. 1885, on 'Armpitting.' [Back]


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#7 | panels-IPEdataloss-1069744-7-d7.patch | 2.31 KB | Elvar |
#3 | 1069744-IPEdataloss-0-D6.patch | 2.16 KB | jumidi |
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This patch fixes the bug. It prints all the "panes" even when they are not visible, but it marks them with other classes in order to show them with other appearance. Only users that have permissions to use "in place editor" can view those hidden panes.
TODO: use javascript to show-hide the marked (class="hidipe") panes.
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oh. wow. this totally didn't occur to me when i wrote IPE. maaaajor problem. sorry it's taken so long to get to this. adding it to my plate now.
and, sorry, but #3 is not an acceptable solution, as including all rendered HTML is a potential security issue. even if it's not immediately visible, the content is still totally accessible. the approach i'll need to take is injecting the data for the panes into the form without ever showing them on the frontend, then doing some magic with positioning around invisible items.
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I have rerolled jumidi patch against 3.3, for those who desperately need it. :-)
Just wondering if the posted patch is 'acceptable' or is more work being done on this. If more work is being done then the status of this should likely be changed.
Status: | Needs review | » Needs work |
As sdboyer stated in #5 the posted patches are not acceptable solutions - rerolled or not. Reverting to needs work.
Status: | Needs work | » Needs review |
File | Size |
1069744-ipe-inaccessible-pane-placeholders.patch | 1.72 KB |
Here is an acceptable alternative.
Status: | Needs review | » Reviewed & tested by the community |
I tested this with the latest build of Panopoly and it looks good. I was able to verify the pane deletion before the patch, and post-patch I see the empty placeholder for the pane in the IPE and the pane is retained after saving.
Marking RTBC.
Version: | 7.x-3.3 | » 7.x-3.x-dev |
Status: | Reviewed & tested by the community | » Needs review |
Such a serious issue needs more reviews.
The patch applies nicely to the git repo. I don't know panels well enough yet to effectively test this though.
Would be great to get this into dev.
Status: | Needs review | » Reviewed & tested by the community |
This also works for me and marking RTBC since we have a few different people reviewing which hopefully addresses the concerns in #12. Data loss is no good and would love to see this rolled in soon.


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All Unix and Linux system will ship with different default security policies. Usually these policies don't match the local policies, such as which users are allowed what kind of access to which resources and when. (This is often referred to as an acceptable use policy or AUP.) In addition security policies may require non-default authentication and/or logging.
A system administrator must examine the system's configuration files
and update them if necessary to enforce local policies.
On modern systems PAM
(Pluggable Authentication Modules)
can be used to configure a wide range of security policies, including
which databases to use to authenticate users, minimum password length,
max login attempts, special permissions for console users (to various
commands and devices), and many other policies.
As an example consider the wheel
group policy.
The wheel
group enables you to define several
system administrators and none of them need the root password.
The group wheel
was first used this way in Unix systems,
but by using PAM any system can enable this handy feature.
(Solaris uses the group sysadmin
With proper PAM configuration any member of group
can become root by using the su
command without supplying any password.
The wheel
group can be used in other ways too, such
as enforcing a policy that allows only certain users access to
the su
You can add users to the wheel
group by editing
On Linux you can use the vigr
command or the
command for this.
Granting complete rootly power to many people is
Many system administrators don't use wheel
and prefer to grant more specific permissions to individual
The sudo
package allows users permission to
perform some tasks that normally would require root
is configured by specifying who is
allow to run
which commands (and with what options or
Then those users can run those commands by supplying their
own password, not the root password.
(Solaris supports the third-party sudo
but also includes a built-in facility known as role-based
access control with similar abilities.
See Role Based Access Control for more
The sudo
facility is configured by creating
the file /etc/sudoers
with the visudo
has lots of options and can be tricky
to configure correctly.
For example the sudo
entry created in this
assignment allows myaccount
to change the root
Then myaccount
could become superuser with the
A proper configuration can prevent this, read the man page
for details.
(See the sample /etc/sudoers file
for an example of how to correctly setup multiple password
For this assignment you must learn enough about PAM and
to examine and update some of the security
policies on a system.
Then perform the following tasks by updating the PAM and
configuration files,
granting the minimum privilege required.
Then answer the following questions:
configuration so that only
the system administrator can modify a user's finger
What change(s) did you make?
(Show using diff
output.) wheel
group authentication for
Only users who are members of the group wheel
should be
allowed to use the su
command (they still need to
supply a password.)
What change(s) did you make?
(Show using diff
Add your user account to the group wheel
Now logout and then login again (to force the group membership changes
to be noticed).
Try to use su
to verify your PAM changes worked.
What were the results?
" would be acceptable, but
not "AAAAAAA
See note about
(Note the documentation for pam_pwquality
(based on the older pam_cracklib
, and compatible with it)
can be hard to understand.
See Notes on pam_pwquality for
a better explanation.
Ask for help (or post to the class wiki) if you get stuck.)
What change(s) did you make?
(Show using diff
output.) sudo
Configuration auser
you can create one by running (as root
# useradd -c "Ann User" -m auser # passwd auser
You also need to remove yourself from group wheel
This is because by default all members of group wheel can run
any command at all, as root.
So unless you remove yourself, then log out and back in, you won't
know if your sudo
changes worked or not.
(When you are done with this project, you can add yourself back to
group wheel
for convenience.)
command (as root) to edit the
file to allow
your normal user account (myaccount is
used below) to change passwords for other users except root
(and don't give additional privilege beyond this) .
(Never edit /etc/sudoers
The new entry should look like this (assume your account name is
myaccount), at the bottom of the file:
myaccount ALL = /usr/bin/passwd
What are some of the security risks associated with this addition? What change(s) would you suggest to this entry, to make it safer?
(or whatever your normal
non-root account is called).
Use the passwd
to try to lock the
account for auser
as follows:
passwd -l auserWhat happened?
This is done by running the command as normal, but with the
word sudo
in front:
sudo passwd -l auser
What output did you see from
Did you lock the account this time?
(Check with
.) passwd -S auser
:passwd -u auserWhat output did you see this time? Is the account unlocked now?
What happened this time? /etc/hosts
using the sudoedit
What changes did you make to the sudoers
file for this?
Red Hat has (finally) documented PAM in the man
pages, see man pam
for an overview.
(On other systems look for PAM documentation in
or /usr/share/doc
or look on-line at the
Linux PAM System Administrator's Guide and also Sun's
Solaris 10 PAM Guide.)
All the PAM configuration tasks for this assignment can be
done by editing some PAM configuration files in
Usually it is easier to look at several of these files to
figure out the syntax, than to read the documentation.
A walk-through of one of these files, along with detailed comments
can be found on the PAM Help guide.
Take a look at the files chfn
, su
, and system-auth
For Red Hat systems the system-auth
file is
regenerated whenever the authconfig
is run.
That means you must edit this file each time the
command is run since your changes
get wiped out.
(I consider this a bug in Red Hat and similar systems.
But until they put me in charge I suggest you carefully
document your changes and backup the original and modified
versions of the system-auth
Linux has a file /etc/login.defs
(similar to Solaris's /etc/default/passwd
This file is part of the shadow suite and is used to
specify a number of settings used by login
and passwd
when the shadow suite is used.
Note that if you don't use the shadow suite (e.g., using
NIS, LDAP, or Kerberos instead)
the file may not be consulted.
You don't need to modify login.defs
since you
should use PAM to configure password policies.
When changing a password using passwd
the command will ensure the new password meets the
policy requirements from both PAM as well as
from login.defs
so be sure you use compatible settings for both!
Also note the passwd
command has a few hard-coded
policies that can't be changed or over-ridden (and are poorly
documented if documented at all).
Solaris doesn't come with pam_cracklib
, but provides
other methods of configuring passwd
As of Solaris 10 pam_unix
has been replaced with
a number of new modules.
Use pam_authtok_check
module to set password
strength criteria, similar to pam_pwquality
(Unlike pam_pwquality
, you don't pass any options to
It is configured by settings in /etc/default/passwd
Remember you can use your YborStudent
account to read
man pages and other documentation, and to examine
the /etc/pam.d/*
configuration files.
This should make it easier to work from off-campus.
A copy of your journal pages, showing all system changes made as a result of this project. Don't turn in your whole journal, you will need to add to it every day in class! It is common in fact to keep the journal as a text file on the system (with a paper backup of course). You can send as email to (preferred). Please see your syllabus for more information about submitting projects.


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