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Fantastic Mr. Fox (film)
Fantastic Mr. Fox | |
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Directed by | Wes Anderson |
Produced by |
Screenplay by |
Based on | Fantastic Mr Fox by Roald Dahl |
Starring | |
Music by | Alexandre Desplat |
Cinematography | Tristan Oliver |
Edited by | Andrew Weisblum |
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Distributed by | 20th Century Fox |
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Running time
87 minutes |
Country | United States |
Language | English |
Budget | $40 million[1] |
Box office | $46.4 million[1] |
Fantastic Mr. Fox is a 2009 American stop-motion animated comedy film based on Roald Dahl's children's novel of the same name. The film is about a fox who steals food each night from three mean and wealthy farmers. They are fed up with Mr. Fox's theft and try to kill him, so they dig their way into the foxes' home, but the animals are able to outwit the farmers and live underground.
Produced by Indian Paintbrush and Regency Enterprises, and released in the autumn of 2009, the film stars the voices of George Clooney, Meryl Streep, Jason Schwartzman, Bill Murray, Willem Dafoe, Michael Gambon, and Owen Wilson. For director Wes Anderson, it was his first animated film and first film adaptation.
Development on the project began in 2004 as collaboration between Anderson and Henry Selick (who worked with Anderson on the 2004 film The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou) under Revolution Studios. In 2007, Revolution folded, Selick left to direct Coraline, and work on the film moved to 20th Century Fox. Production began in London in 2007. It was released on November 13, 2009 to positive reviews.[2]
While raiding Berk's Squab Farm, Mr. Fox and his wife Felicity trigger a fox trap and become caged. Felicity reveals to Fox that she is pregnant and pleads with him to find a safer job if they escape. Fox rather reluctantly agrees to her plea.
Two years later, the Foxes and their sullen son Ash are living in a hole. Fox, now a newspaper columnist, moves the family into a better home in the base of a tree, ignoring the warnings of his lawyer Badger about how dangerous the area is for foxes. The tree is located very close to facilities run by three farmers: Walter Boggis, Nathan Bunce, and Franklin Bean.
Soon after the Foxes move in, Felicity's nephew Kristofferson Silverfox comes to live with them, as his father has fallen ill with double pneumonia. Ash finds this situation intolerable; his soft-spoken cousin is apparently superior to him at almost everything, and everyone - including Fox and Ash's female fox friend, Agnes - is charmed by Kristofferson at Ash's expense. Longing for his days as a thief, Fox and his friend Kylie Opossum, the tree's superintendent, steal produce and poultry from the three farms.
Angered, the farmers decide to kill Fox. They camp out near his home. When Fox emerges, the farmers open fire, but only shoot off his tail. They then attempt to dig Fox out. After demolishing the site of the tree, the farmers discover the Foxes have dug an escape tunnel. Reasoning that the Foxes will have to surface for food and water eventually, the farmers wait at the tunnel mouth. Underground, Felicity is upset that Fox returned to his thieving ways. The group later encounters Badger and many other local animal residents whose homes have also been destroyed by the farmers. As the animals begin fearing starvation, Fox leads Badger, Mole, Beaver, and Weasel on a digging expedition to tunnel to the three farms, robbing them clean.
While the other animals feast, Ash and Kristofferson begin to reconcile after Kristofferson defends Ash from Beaver's son. The cousins return to Bean's farm, intending to reclaim Mr. Fox's tail. When they are interrupted by the arrival of Bean's wife, Ash escapes, but Kristofferson is captured. Discovering that Fox has stolen their produce, the farmers flood the animals' tunnel network with cider.
The flood forces the animals into the sewers, trapping them. Fox learns that the farmers plan to use Kristofferson to lure him into an ambush and heads to the surface to surrender, which would mean his demise. The animals are confronted by Rat, Bean's security guard, who attacks Ash and Felicity. Hearing his son's cries, Fox returns and fights Rat in an electrical room until Fox pushes him into an electric generator, electrocuting him. Before dying, Rat confesses Kristofferson's location. Fox asks the farmers for a meeting in town near the sewer hub where he would surrender in exchange for Kristofferson's freedom. The farmers set up an ambush, but Fox and the others anticipate it and launch a counterattack.
Fox, Ash, and Kylie slip into Bean's farm. Ash frees Kristofferson and braves enemy fire to release a rabid beagle named Spitz to keep the farmers at bay. The animals become accustomed to living in the sewers with others considering moving in (including Kristofferson's father whom Fox and Felicity learn is getting better). Ash and Kristofferson settle their differences and become good friends. Fox leads his family, Kylie, and Agnes to a drain opening built into the floor of a supermarket owned by the three farmers.
Celebrating their new food source and the news that Felicity is pregnant again, the animals dance to "Let Her Dance" playing on Ash's new packet radio as the film comes to a close.
- George Clooney as Mr. Fox, a red fox and bird thief who is now a newspaper columnist
- Meryl Streep as Felicity Fox, Mr. Fox's wife.
- Jason Schwartzman as Ash Fox, the son of Mr. and Felicity Fox.
- Bill Murray as Clive Badger, Mr. Fox's lawyer who works at the Badger, Beaver, & Beaver firm.
- Willem Dafoe as Rat, a black rat who works as Franklin Bean's security guard in his Secret Cider Cellar.
- Owen Wilson as Coach Skip, an albino river otter who leads the school's Whack-Bat team.
- Wallace Wolodarsky as Kylie, an opossum who is building superintendent of Mr. Fox's tree house and becomes his thieving accomplice.
- Eric Anderson as Kristofferson Silverfox, a silver fox who is the nephew of Mrs. Fox.
- Michael Gambon as Franklin Bean, a skinny turkey and apple farmer that Mr. Fox steals from.
- Jarvis Cocker as Petey, Mr. Bean's employee.
- Wes Anderson as Stan Weasel, a savvy real estate agent who sells Mr. Fox the home at the base of a tree.
- Karen Duffy as Linda Otter, a secretary at the Badger, Beaver, & Beaver firm.
- Robin Hurlstone as Walter Boggis, a fat chicken farmer that Mr. Fox steals from.
- Hugo Guinness as Nathan Bunce, a dwarfish duck and goose farmer that Mr. Fox steals from.
- Helen McCrory as Mrs. Bean, the wife of Franklin Bean.
- Juman Malouf as Agnes, a fox who is Ash's school friend and also Kristofferson's love interest.
- Garth Jennings as Bean's Son
- Brian Cox as Daniel Peabody, an Action 12 Reporter.
- Tristan Oliver as Explosives Man
- James Hamilton as Phil Mole, a mole musician who helps Mr. Fox.
- Steven M. Rales as Mr. Beaver, a beaver lawyer at Badger, Beaver, & Beaver who helps Mr. Fox.
- Jeremy Dawson as Mr. Beaver's Son, the unnamed son of Mr. Beaver who is Kristofferson's lab partner.
- Adrien Brody as Rickity, a meadow vole tailor.
- Roman Coppola as Nelson Squirrel, a contractor who oversees the modification of Mr. Fox's tree house.
- Mario Batali as Mr. Rabbit,[3] a chef in Mr. Fox's community that helps Mr. Fox.
- Rob Hersov as Pilot
- Jennifer Furches as Dr. Badger, a pediatrician who is the wife of Clive Badger.
- Allison Abbate as Mr. Rabbit's Ex-Girlfriend, a rabbit who works as an accountant.
- Molly Copper as Rabbit Girl
- Martin Ballard as Fire Chief
Joe Roth and Revolution Studios bought the film rights to Fantastic Mr Fox in 2004. In 2006, Mark Mothersbaugh stated that he was working on the soundtrack.[4] Wes Anderson signed on as director with Henry Selick, who worked with Anderson on The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou, as animation director. Anderson stated that he signed on because Roald Dahl was one of his heroes.[5] Originally, Cate Blanchett was prearranged to voice Mrs. Fox, but she left the role for undisclosed reasons.[6]
The story the novel covers would amount to the second act of the film. Anderson added new scenes to serve for the film's beginning and end.[7] The new scenes precede Mr. Fox's plan to steal from the three farmers and follow the farmers' bulldozing of the hill, beginning with the flooding of the tunnel. Selick left the project, to work on the Neil Gaiman story Coraline in February 2006.[8] He was replaced by Mark Gustafson.[9] 20th Century Fox became the project's home in October 2006 after Revolution folded.[10]
In September 2007, Anderson announced voice work would begin.[11] The director chose to record the voices outside rather than in a studio: "we went out in a forest, [..] went in an attic, [and] went in a stable. We went underground for some things. There was a great spontaneity in the recordings because of that."[9]
He said of the production design, "we want to use real trees and real sand, but it's all miniature."[11] Great Missenden, where Roald Dahl lived, has a major influence on the film's look.[5] The film mixes several forms of animation but consists primarily of stop motion.[10] Animation took place in London,[9] on Stage C at 3 Mills Studio and the puppets are created by Mackinnon & Saunders,[12] with Anderson directing the crew, many of whom animated Tim Burton's Corpse Bride.[13] Selick, who kept in contact with Anderson, said the director would act out scenes while in Paris and send them to the animators via iPhone.[14]
Fantastic Mr. Fox | ||||
Soundtrack album by various artists | ||||
Released | November 3, 2009 | |||
Genre | Film score Rock |
Length | 43:41 | |||
Label | ABKCO | |||
Wes Anderson film soundtrack chronology | ||||
The score for the film was composed by Alexandre Desplat. Jarvis Cocker commented that he wrote "three, four" songs for the film, one of which was included on the soundtrack.[15] The soundtrack also contains a selection of songs by The Beach Boys, The Bobby Fuller Four, Burl Ives, Georges Delerue, The Rolling Stones, and other artists. A soundtrack album for the film was released on November 3, 2009. It contains the following tracks:[16]
No. | Title | Writer(s) | Artist | Length |
1. | "American Empirical Pictures" | Alexandre Desplat | 0:15 | |
2. | "The Ballad of Davy Crockett" (from Davy Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier, 1954) | George Bruns (music) Thomas W. Blackburn (lyrics) |
The Wellingtons | 1:40 |
3. | "Mr. Fox in the Fields" | Alexandre Desplat | 1:03 | |
4. | "Heroes and Villains" (from Smiley Smile, 1967) | Brian Wilson, Van Dyke Parks | The Beach Boys | 3:37 |
5. | "Fooba Wooba John" (from Little White Duck, 1959) | Traditional | Burl Ives | 1:07 |
6. | "Boggis, Bunce, and Bean" | Alexandre Desplat | 0:51 | |
7. | "Jimmy Squirrel and Co." | Alexandre Desplat | 0:46 | |
8. | "Love" (from Robin Hood, 1973) | George Bruns (music) Floyd Huddleston (lyrics) |
Nancy Adams | 1:49 |
9. | "Buckeye Jim" (from Little White Duck, 1959) | Traditional | Burl Ives | 1:19 |
10. | "High-Speed French Train" | Alexandre Desplat | 1:26 | |
11. | "Whack-bat Majorette" | Alexandre Desplat | 2:57 | |
12. | "The Grey Goose" (from Little White Duck, 1959) | Traditional | Burl Ives | 2:49 |
13. | "Bean's Secret Cider Cellar" | Alexandre Desplat | 2:07 | |
14. | "Une Petite Île" (from Two English Girls, 1971) | Delerue | Georges Delerue | 1:36 |
15. | "Street Fighting Man" (from Beggars Banquet, 1968) | Jagger/Richards | The Rolling Stones | 3:15 |
16. | "Fantastic Mr Fox AKA Petey's Song" | Cocker | Jarvis Cocker | 1:21 |
17. | "Night and Day" (recorded 1946, released 1984 on Masters of Jazz) | Cole Porter | Art Tatum | 1:28 |
18. | "Kristofferson's Theme" | Alexandre Desplat | 1:36 | |
19. | "Just Another Dead Rat in a Garbage Pail (Behind a Chinese Restaurant)" | Alexandre Desplat | 2:34 | |
20. | "Le Grand Choral" (from Day for Night, 1973) | Delerue | Georges Delerue | 2:24 |
21. | "Great Harrowsford Square" | Alexandre Desplat | 3:21 | |
22. | "Stunt Expo 2004" | Alexandre Desplat | 2:28 | |
23. | "Canis Lupus" | Alexandre Desplat | 1:16 | |
24. | "Ol' Man River" (recorded 1968, released 2001 on Hawthorne, CA) | Jerome Kern (music) Oscar Hammerstein II (lyrics) |
The Beach Boys | 1:18 |
25. | "Let Her Dance" (single, 1965) | Fuller | The Bobby Fuller Four | 2:32 |
The film had its world premiere as the opening film of the 53rd edition of the London Film Festival on October 14, 2009.[17]
Theatrical release[edit]
The film was released theatrically on November 13, 2009 by 20th Century Fox and Regency Enterprises.[citation needed]
Home media[edit]
The film was released on DVD and Blu-ray on March 23, 2010 by 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment.[18] The Criterion Collection released the film on Blu-ray and DVD on February 18, 2014.[19]
Critical response[edit]
Fantastic Mr. Fox received positive reviews from a vast majority of critics.[20] The film currently has a 92% "Certified Fresh" rating on Rotten Tomatoes based on 225 reviews, with the site's consensus stating "Fantastic Mr. Fox is a delightfully funny feast for the eyes with multi-generational appeal – and it shows Wes Anderson has a knack for animation." The film also became the second highest-rated animated film in 2009 on the site, behind Up.[2] It has an average review score of 83 out of 100, which indicates "universal acclaim", from review aggregator Metacritic, based on reviews from 34 critics, which includes positive reviews from publications such as Rolling Stone and The New York Times.[21]
Roger Ebert gave the film 3.5 out of 4 stars, calling it "excellent."[22] A. O. Scott called Fantastic Mr. Fox "in some ways (Wes Anderson's) most fully realized and satisfying film. Once you adjust to its stop-and-start rhythms and its scruffy looks, you can appreciate its wit, its beauty and the sly gravity of its emotional undercurrents. The work done by the animation director, Mark Gustafson, by the director of photography, Tristan Oliver, and by the production designer, Nelson Lowry, shows amazing ingenuity and skill, and the music (by Alexandre Desplat, with the usual shuffle of well-chosen pop tunes, famous and obscure) is both eccentric and just right."[23]
According to Time, the film is "both a delightful amusement and a distillation of the filmmaker's essential playfulness"[24] and was one of the ten best films of the year.[25] Cosmo Landesman of The Sunday Times said "having a quirky auteur like Anderson make a children's film is a bit like David Byrne, of Talking Heads, recording an album of nursery rhymes produced by Brian Eno"; according to Landesman, "in style and sensibility, this is really a Wes Anderson film, with little Dahl. It's missing the darker elements that characterise Dahl's books. There you find the whiff of something nasty: child abuse, violence, misogyny. Gone, too, is any sense of danger. Even the farmers, who are made to look a touch evil, don't seem capable of it. We never feel the tension of watching the Fox family facing real peril. The film certainly has Americanized Dahl's story, and I don't mean the fact that the good animals have American accents and the baddies have British ones. It offers yet another celebration of difference and a lesson on the importance of being yourself. But it does leave you thinking: isn't it time that children's films put children first?"[26]
Amy Biancolli from the Houston Chronicle states that "Anderson injects such charm and wit, such personality and nostalgia — evident in the old-school animation, storybook settings and pitch-perfect use of Burl Ives — that it's easy to forgive his self-conscious touches."[27]
Ann Hornaday from the Washington Post calls it a "self-consciously quirky movie that manages to be twee and ultra-hip at the same time, it qualifies as yet another wry, carefully composed bibelot in the cabinet of curios that defines the Anderson oeuvre."[28] Peter Howell from the Toronto Star states that "[i]n an age when everything seems digital, computer-driven and as fake as instant coffee, more and more artists (Spike Jonze and John Lasseter among them) are embracing the old ways of vinyl records, hand-drawn cartoons and painstaking stop-motion character movements."[29] In 2011, Richard Corliss of TIME Magazine named it one of "The 25 All-TIME Best Animated Films".[30]
Box office[edit]
Despite its critical success, the film's box office receipts were overshadowed by other films, particularly The Twilight Saga: New Moon and Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel. Fantastic Mr. Fox grossed $21,002,919 in the U.S., and $25,468,104 worldwide, making a total of $46,471,023.[1]
The film was nominated for the 2010 Critics Choice Awards for Best Animated Feature,[31] the 2010 Golden Globe Award for Best Animated Feature Film,[32] the 2010 Academy Award for Best Animated Feature and Academy Award for Best Original Score;[33] but ultimately lost all the nominations to Up.
It was also nominated for the Grand Prix of the Belgian Syndicate of Cinema Critics. Alexandre Desplat won Soundtrack Composer of the Year and World Soundtrack of the Year at the 2010 World Soundtrack Awards[34] On January 14, 2010, the National Board of Review awarded Anderson a Special Filmmaking Achievement award.[35]
After giving his acceptance speech, the audio of the speech was used in a short animation of Anderson's character (Weasel) giving the speech, animated by Payton Curtis, a key stop-motion animator on the film.[36]
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- ^ a b Josh Horowitz (September 26, 2007). "Wes Anderson Enlists Bill Murray For 'The Fantastic Mr. Fox'". MTV Movies Blog. Retrieved September 26, 2007.
- ^ "Who Are the Animators on Fantastic Mr. Fox?". Lineboil. January 12, 2010. Archived from the original on January 28, 2010. Retrieved January 17, 2010.
- ^ Edward Douglas (February 2, 2009). "Henry Selick on Making Coraline". ComingSoon.net. Retrieved February 2, 2009.
- ^ Steve Prokopy (February 2, 2009). "Capone Talks with CORALINE Director and Wizard Master Henry Selick!!!". Ain't It Cool News. Retrieved February 2, 2009.
- ^ Brent DiCrescenzo (July 17, 2008). "From the UK to the Magic Kingdom". Time Out. Archived from the original on July 31, 2008. Retrieved August 8, 2008.
- ^ "Fantastic Mr. Fox Soundtrack Listing". Slashfilm.com. September 21, 2009. Retrieved 2011-05-17.
- ^ Ben Child (July 28, 2009). "Fantastic Mr Fox to open London Film Festival". The Guardian. Retrieved July 28, 2009.
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- ^ "Fantastic Mr. Fox (2009) - The Criterion Collection". Retrieved 20 December 2013.
- ^ "Picture-book classic mixes the familiar and the stylish with imaginative results". Weekly Alibi.
- ^ "Fantastic Mr. Fox". Metacritic. Retrieved 2010-01-12.
- ^ Roger Ebert – Fantastic Mr. Fox Review
- ^ Scott, A. O. (November 13, 2009). "Don't Count Your Chickens". The New York Times. Retrieved 2011-05-17.
- ^ Pols, Mary (November 13, 2009). "Wes Anderson's Return to Form". Time. Retrieved 2011-05-17.
- ^ Corliss, Richard (December 8, 2009). "Wes Anderson's Return to Form". Time. Retrieved 2011-05-17.
- ^ Landesman, Cosmo (October 25, 2009). "The Fantastic Mr Fox". London: The Sunday Times. Retrieved 2011-05-17.
- ^ AMY BIANCOLLI, Houston Chronicle http://www.chron.com/entertainment/movies/article/Fantastic-Mr-Fox-1720278.php accessdate=2011-09-03
- ^ Ann Hornaday, Washington Post, Friday, November 27, 2009 http://www.washingtonpost.com/gog/movies/fantastic-mr.-fox,1158822/critic-review.html accessdate=2011-09-03
- ^ Peter Howell. Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/movies/article/730368--fantastic-mr-fox-the-hipster-and-the-chicken-thief accessdate=2011-09-03
- ^ Richard Corliss (June 23, 2011). "The 25 All-TIME Best Animated Films – Fantastic Mr. Fox". TIME. Retrieved August 19, 2011.
- ^ "15th Annual Critics Choice Award Nominees". ScreenCrave. Retrieved December 14, 2009.
- ^ "Nominations and Winners". Hollywood Foreign Press Assoc. Archived from the original on December 15, 2009. Retrieved December 15, 2009.
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(help) - ^ "World Soundtrack Awards 2010". Worldsoundtrackacademy.com. Retrieved 2013-06-13.
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- ^ "FANTASTIC MR. FOX – Wes Anderson's Animated Acceptance Speech". YouTube. January 13, 2010. Retrieved 2011-05-17.
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by Kimberly DertingThe missing dead call to Violet. They want to be found.
Violet can sense the echoes of those who've been murdered—and the matching imprint that clings to their killers. Her best-friend-turned-boyfriend, Jay, is the only one outside of her family who knows of her morbid ability. But when Violet discovers the body of a missing boy, she draws the
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The mystery, suspense, twists and turns are almost as intense in this book as in the last one. Early in the story, you get a glimpse into the mind of a very disturbed girl who is out to get Violet. Kimberly does such an amazing job, pulling you into the thoughts of not just the main character, but also this other strange and sinister mind. My own mind was spinning, constantly coming up with different scenarios of who was out to hurt Violet and why. By the end of the book, I was exhausted! My heart was pounding right up to the last chapter!
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Desires of the Dead is the follow up to The Body Finder where Violet has the ability to find the dead if they are not properly laid to rest. She also sees a matching imprint on the killer which could make her extremely valuable if her gift is ever revealed. The only people who know about what Violet can do is her family, as it was passed through the women in her family, and also her best-friend-turned-boyfriend Jay. Jay learned about what Violet could do when they were kids and has always accepted who she is. There has been much swooning for Jay. When Violet finds an Echo, it seems to drain her of any energy until the body is put to rest. Jay is always by her side to keep her going but readers shouldn't get the impression that this makes Violet a fragile girl who needs to be saved; if anything, she doesn't run or hide from her gift.
On a regular outing with her friend, Violet finds an Echo calling to her and drawing her closer. Violet isn't able to do anything without her friend finding out, but that doesn't mean that she will stop. This particular Echo changes Violet's life in more ways than she could imagine. In helping, she attracts the attention of the FBI and realizes since Jay is now her boyfriend, she can't tell him everything as she did when they were best friends. Jay, as a boyfriend, wants to protect Violet and that might mean telling her parents about the dangerous situations she puts herself in; but Violet isn't ready to share everything with her parents.
With the FBI on her trail and Jay's overwhelming need to protect her, Violet also feels that she is being stalked. First, hang up calls and then, creepy gifts are left at her car and later, threatening letters. When she turns to Jay, she doesn't find the answers she needs and things get shaky. Violet is also dealing with the insecurities that come with dating a guy who every woman seems to want. I would like to include myself on that list! All the stress and secrets cause major problems for Jay and Violet. Kimberly writes scenes so beautifully that you can't help but to get emotionally invested in these characters. Jay, I heart you!
I love that Violet's family members see that she is going through a lot and give Violet the space to deal with it in her own way, but they are always close enough if she needs them. I can't remember reading a YA book with such emotionally-stable families. Desires of the Dead really has it all! There is plenty of stalker/ killer creepiness, and yet lots of love, kissing, sweetness, and of course the emotional stuff. Kimberly Derting is an amazing author and has quickly become one of my favorites. I can see myself re-reading both The Body Finder and Desires of the Dead over and over. I would recommend this book to everyone and I see movie potential all over these books.
Desires of the Dead is the second book in the series The Body Finder. The love, passion, and suspense in the book are great. If you have read The Body Finder you will not be disappointed. However, I did find that Desires of the Dead was not as suspenseful as The Body Finder. I was still freaked out and felt like I need to lock the doors. However, The Body Finder left you not wanting to even leave your bed. So, just keep in mind that you may not be "pee your pants" freaked but you will definitely be left a little nerved.
A little slow to start but well worth it. Great story, good characters, action, romance. Super.
DESIRES OF THE DEAD, by Kimberly Derting, is the continuation of The Body Finder series. We left off with Violet and Jay turning their friendship into a relationship amid Violet coming out about her ability to sense the dead and the respective killer.
Where I felt The Body Finder lacked in action, Desires of the Dead definitely upped the anty. Many heart-pounding situations were happening simultaneously, and I found myself speeding through the book to get to the end.
Violet and Jay are the sweetest couple (probably ever) and I love how they went through numerous ups and downs together throughout the book. Violet's gift and her solo exploration of it was the main issue that poked holes in this relationship and showed them how to make it stronger.
I liked the introduction of new characters in this book. Sara, the FBI agent, and her 'helper', Rafe, added to the mix of this really great sophomore novel of the series. I was intrigued (and still am) with Rafe and his mysersious connection with Violet. I hope to see these characters in future books.
My love for Violet and Jay, many new characters, and this cover (BEAUTIFUL!) really made this book linger in my mind long after it was finished. I cannot wait for the next one!
For anyone who is wondering about rafe's story you can find out a lil more about him and his first love named sophie in a book called Enthralled on page 285 by ms.Derting and the mini story is called skin contact. But i really do hope rafe has a happy ending he really should get one after all he has gone through
The book is the continuation of the body finder. This book might have a slow start but will definetly catch up and end up to be one of your top favorites. It keeps you flipping the pages nonstop until there is no more. AMAZINGLY AMAZING BOOK!!!!!!!!!
I read the first book and really enjoyed it, so I decided to read the second book. It has a great story line, with several twists that I didn't see coming. By the ending, you can tell there will be more books. As for the characters, Violet really got on my nerves. She's really indecisive and mopey. She is not the lovable character from the first book. Also, this book has more mature content (as Violet and her boyfriend take things further than teens should). I would not recommend this book for younger teens.
Page turner 100%. Great sequel. It was even more shocking then the first book. It kept you guessing til the very end.
Loved this book! I hope there are more to come!
After reading The Body Finder I was a bit curious to find out what Kimberly Derting would come up with in the next book in the series. The Body Finder does not leave you on a cliffhanger, the problem was resolved and it had a great ending that could've made it a stand alone novel. Even though I wasn't really sure what to expect on Desires of the Dead, I knew that I definitely wanted more of Jay and Violet, but mainly swoon worthy good guy Jay. Thanks to my generous friend, I had the opportunity to read Desires of The Dead and get to know more about these wonderful characters.
Desires of the Dead started off a little slower for me than The Body Finder did, it took me just a little longer to get into it and it had a bit of a different feel to it. Just like in The Body Finder we get to see the story unfold from Violet's point of view but also from someone else, someone that's jealous of Violet's happiness and secretly hates her. It wasn't as creepy as the chapters we got from the killer in the first book but it was still a little disturbing to see the point of view of someone full of hate and jealousy, someone that seems damaged, but I really didn't feel she was as dangerous as the killer in the first one. I did find it very interesting that the titles from each of the stalker's chapters was named after one of the seven deadly sins and they fit each little chapter perfectly. I ended up liking that a lot, we get a feel of what this person is really like and what's going through the stalker's mind, I loved that we get little clues into who might be the stalker with each chapter as we read.
At first I wasn't so sure I was liking the direction that the story was taking, we have the stalker and at the same time we have Violet trying to understand her ability a lot more and get a little control over it. We also have the addition of a couple of new characters that might play an important role in Violet's future and what she decides to do with her powers, I wasn't so sure how that was going to turn out. After a while and once I got into the book I decided the new direction the story was taking was going to be a good one in the end and since it didn't really affect the love I had for Jay and Violet I was ok with it.
You really have to read it to find out what it is because I don't want to spoil it for you. Just know that Kim once again throws those twists and surprises as the story is unfolding that prove all of your predictions wrong, just like she did in the first book. Even though it didn't give me the chills and goosebumps like The Body Finder did, I still liked Desires of the Dead a whole lot! I love Jay and Violet's relationship and how it grows even stronger in this one, the writing that flows easily and the well developed characters, even the side characters that we get to know a lot more. Definitely a great sequel and I cannot wait to see what will happen next in this series because even though it doesn't end in a cliffhanger it leaves you wondering of the possibilities of Violet's future.
I had high hopes for this one. It's hard not to when the first in a series comes out with a bang. With the paranormal element and a cast of characters you can't help but love, I think think series will go far.
I really love Violet's ability. The author has definitely put some thought into it. Each death has a distinctive call for Violet and I think that is truly a unique aspect to this story. I think she's really coming to terms with what she can do. Before it was just a matter of animals and proper burial. I think she's realizing she can use it for the greater good. I like the character growth involved in this. Although there was awhile there she was your typical teenage girl. It had nothing to do with her ability and everything to do with Jay. I wanted to smack her and tell her to stop being so foolish.
I hope Jay is always there to be her knight in shinning armor. It's not that she needs saving, but the dead call to her so strongly that sometimes she doesn't realize the danger she puts herself in. He's known her for so long and cares for her so much that it's hard not to find him so endearing. I also liked the addition of Rafe. I hope the author doesn't make it a love triangle in the future. But Rafe would make a great shoulder for Violet to lean on.
I pegged the mystery pretty easily this time. But, I don't think it was about the mystery in this installment. It was about Violet accepting that she can use her ability to help others. Which brings us to the FBI involvement. I wasn't sure about Sara at first. I couldn't figure out what she was after. But, I was glad she was so interested in Violet and I think she (and her crew) can really help Violet.
I highly recommend this series to anyone that likes a touch of mystery mixed in with their paranormal. It's perfect for teens and adults!
Desires of the Dead (The Body Finder #2) by Kimberly Derting is another awesome book about Violet who can 'feel' echos of people that have been murdered and track them down. This gets her into a bit of trouble this book because now she is noticed by more than her family and Jay. Someone is also threatening her with notes, calls, and a dead cat. These books are always filled with intrigue, mystery, excitement, and real life dialogue and feelings between Violet and Jay. Violet is compelled to follow the echo and help the dead and that leads her into trouble. Wonderful plot, twists, and surprises, and great suspense. Love these books.
I loved The Body Finder. The narration was tense and the plot shocking. Desires of the Dead was still good, but I did not enjoy it as much. That's not to say I didn't enjoy it, it just felt more like a filler novel than a sequel.
Violet is having a rough time after dealing with the events of The Body Finder. She isn't sleeping well and has turned into herself, not wanting to upset her parents or Jay. Unlike The Body Finder, there isn't a murder roaming around town who becomes interested in Violet, this time the party obsessed individual wants Violet's life. Not in the "I'm going to kill you" way, but in the "I want to be you" way. While not as tense, I do appreciate the fact that Kimberly isn't doing murderer after murderer after murderer. Because how many serial killers can one small town have? Am I the only one who has that pet peeve?
Violet catches the attention of an FBI agent after finding the body of a small boy in a shipping container. This agent seems to know more about Violet's situation than she's letting on and is, rightfully so, wary this woman and her associate Rafe. Both are hiding things from Violet, trying to get her to truth them, while Violet attempts to figure out if they can be trusted and the reasoning behind their deep interest in her and her ability.
As far as the characters, I simply adore Jay. He and Violet simply have the cutest relationship. I honestly think the years they spent as friends have truly solidified their romantic relationship, even when they aren't on the same page. Violet is the main character that I like, but annoy me to no end when they don't talk to their friends / family and try handle everything themselves.
Without getting too deep into spoiler territory, the ending is where this book found its niche. The ending is tense and nerve wracking; the reasons I enjoyed this series in the first place. Desires of the Dead has a good story line, and I really enjoyed addition and the plot points that came about with the FBI, but I did find it to be a bit too predictable. I'll be interested in seeing what happens with The Last Echo and cross my fingers that the tension and and creep factor from The Body Finder will show up again.
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African Youth Development Platform Importance The access to information is a huge obstacle African youth face every day. People are fighting for information especially those who do not have access to new information technology. African youth also require a platform where they can discusses and express ideas on issues such as gender, HIV/AIDS etc. This platform will be used to disseminate information to all categories of youth in Africa..It is an opportunity to give tools to youths for their own development and participate in formulation of policies affecting their development. Communication development gives youths a platform to self discover and educate themselves using information communication technology (ICT) like the internet, radio, print media and television.
Activities of AYDP Platform Centre Communication Radio TV Magazine Portal (website, Network) Forum (experience sharing) Learning Leadership/Democracy Health (HIV/AIDS) E-learning/computer Forum (AYC, MDGs, etc.) Financial Fund rising Project support
IMPACT of AYDP Youth empowerment in: -Capacity building -Self discovery -Leadership skills (to produce influential and servant leaders) -Experience sharing -Disseminating voices of African Youth -Both monitoring and evaluation activities
A stable political environment is imperative for : Youth must Demand: entrepreneurial development * Democracy investment * Open Governance economic growth * Peace This project creates a forum for networking, sharing information and inspiring youth to participate in the social, economic and political life of the continent. It also builds a sense of African community that is broader than individual countries. Youth have a responsibility to call for human rights and growth all over the continent, and must form a loud and cohesive voice. What will we do? Create a database of all youth associations and youth leaders: values, activities and opportunities. Include resources (e.g. life skills info/language learning tools, skills training etc) Use database as a lobbying platform to address the action of government and other entities. Encourage participants to take the information and discussions to rural and/or marginalized areas.
Cheap Easy to set up Most youth organizations do utilize the internet in some way Youth feel a need for collective identity (e.g. facebook) Discussions can have powerful impacts (e.g. African Youth Panel pre-Addis, Obamas presidential campaign) Open access in terms of gender, disability etc. It can compliment other activities IMPACT A better informed African youth A more united African youth Access to training therefore better employment opportunities Collective advocacy against abuse of power/ gender impingements etc. It will work because:
Empowering youths to influence decision making structures The why? For a long time young people have been sidelined from the mainstream decision making processes and structures. This has been due to a number of factors including deliberate exclusion, lack of mentorship schemes, lacking the capacity to meaningful participation and the negative attitude, perception and irresponsibility of youth to demand and create the space. Meaningful participation can be fostered when nation states have aligned and committed to national and international instruments including the human rights charter /principles. This alignment and commitment to different national and international instruments should be a reality on the ground by implementing, monitoring and evaluating performances based on agreed indicators.
What should be done? Time has come that we allow non-partisan popular participation of youth along the decision making structures and processes to mainstream and input the youth development issues and agenda.
Proposed Action/activity on the ground Establish, organize and facilitate youth public forums alongside the decision making planning stages /structures/processes from decentralized levels to national levels. Impact envisaged An established platform of youth to participate, share, exchange, learn and input youth issues and agenda to the mainstream decision making processes and structures. As this shall happen at different district/provincial levels across the country, it will create a national youth movement that will be systematic and influential to the policy arenas locally and nationally. The idea is to have the platforms taking place around the same time across Africa; this will create a continental youth movement addressing issues of youth and being an advocacy platform for youth development issues and agenda
Alternative Youth Livelihood Project for Income Generation, Nutritional and Health Maintenance The trend analysis and risk assessment of Africa recognizes that Youth unemployment and marginalization continues to represent a serious threat to Africas peace initiatives. Conservative research reports indicate that African countries will have to provide jobs in excess of 45 million for young people ages 15-24 over the next ten years to address this unemployment crisis. This figure does not account for the fact that the African Youth Charter defines youth as those between the ages of 15-35, adding an additional 11 year group to account for. Given this added population, the figures of unemployed youth in Africa increases tremendously. Due to this fragmentation of actors, there is growing recognition among all partners that short-term efforts for employment creation must be complemented by long term employment generation strategies through private sector development. In this vein, the proposed initiative confronts some of these realities and proposes ways to ameliorate the problem as a whole.
What should be done? Empower youth to take advantage of alternative livelihood opportunities as a means of employment creation and economic stimulation, by providing them with the requisite capacity and hardware support. Take advantage of value chains in the beekeeping industry, and at the same time address nutritional and health requirements for children, youth, women, the elderly and other community residents. Use modern eco-friendly beekeeping techniques and equipment. Establish solar-powered factories: – for packaging and labeling honey, and – to process beeswax which can be transformed into finished ready-to-sell commodities such as candles, and products of nutritional, medicinal and cosmetic value. (Recent research suggests that honey can also be a source of fuel.) Sell honey and other bee products through cooperatives, and savings and loans associations leading to increased household income and community prosperity.
What is the Impact? Economic empowerment of the most marginalized group of young people rural young women and men Positions young people for international market access to benefit from Economic Partnership Agreements Decongests urban areas that are overpopulated by rural-to-urban migration, thereby: – reducing crime, drug abuse, teenage pregnancy, STIs and HIV/AIDS Improves living conditions of communities (including positive health impact) Political and social empowerment of communities as a result of the economic empowerment Because bee farming is not time-intensive, this initiative can expand to incorporate literacy programmes, other agricultural components (poultry farming, animal husbandry and crop production) and support cultural activities for the community.
Trash is cash Garbage can be a resource in African communities that suffer from lack of proper waste disposal. Trash is cash will promote a mission of building capacity for effective community-run solid waste management system in selected areas. The importance of the initiative will be creation of jobs for several youth groups in African communities, Building capacity for effective community-run solid waste management systems, it will be an income generating activity, it will unlock human potential, improve livelihoods, promote dignity and ensure environmental cleanliness. The program must ensure equal participation of both men and women which would allow/permit the achievement of the 3 rd MDG.
Implementation Strategy/Procedures An initial waste enumeration survey will be conducted to determine the proportion of each type of waste found in respective areas or communities; Identification of youth groups in surveyed areas (comprising largely unemployed young men and women); Education workshops in garbage collection and recycling, team building exercises, leadership and financial management; Impact Creation of jobs for several youth that collect trash from households, industries and institutions; Uplifting the economic potentials and financial management skills of the youth helping them to build their career;
Impact/Cont.: Practices (E.g. Drug abuse, risky sexual behaviors, criminal activities…) resulting from idleness could be avoided by the youth being involved in such income generating projects; Throughout the implementation of the project/initiative it will address the question of climate change and its impact on development brought about by mismanagement of waste; Concluding Remarks This idea roots in the conviction that solutions to problems involving poverty are possible only if those affected by the problems, drive development. Concerned outsiders can help by supporting mobilization of communities, advising, networking and providing necessary resources. Ultimately, the community is the one that possesses the knowledge and motivation necessary to solve its own problems.
Global Food and Financial Crisis Family Dependency Slow Rate of Employment Creation and Absorption. Migration to Developed Countries High Crime Rates and Conflict Achievement of MDGs is Off- track High Levels of Poverty Youth Employment and Business Development Currently in Africa there are 190 Million young people between 15 and 24 years, however there is a demand for 15 Million new jobs on an annual basis, whereas only 10 Million jobs are created annually. A huge gap of 5 Million jobs exists!
What should be done Training of existing and potential young entrepreneurs. Train and deploy business extension workers across the continent. Mentorship with existing businesses and peer to peer mentorship amongst youths Deploy and encourage business incubation centres Capacity Building Creation of favourable business policies Promotion of business incubation centres Promotion of youth exhibition as a platform for youth businesses to showcase their goods, services and products. Conducive business environment Create an affordable credit scheme for start-ups and existing youth businesses. Creation of a online peer-to-peer microfinance platform that will encourage investment funding from Governments, development partners, private investors, fellow Africans within Africa as well as the Diaspora in providing affordable funding to young entrepreneurs. Youth Microfinance
Crime and conflicts will be reduced Family dependency will be reduced Job opportunities will be increased Attract foreign investment Contribute to MDGs achievement ENVISAGED IMPACT
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I recently had liposuction on my Abs, flanks, back rolls, inner thigh and fat transfer to my butt. I did was more than content when the surgery and actually had no desire for some of liposuction in the beginning. However, after having it and understanding the pain and such I want to go in more my arms and breast augmentation. I was wondering how soon could I have those surgeries? Would it be after my swelling gone down, which could be 2 months or 6 months or a year?
After Liposuction, when Can I Have Breast Augmentation and More Lipo?
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I fyou are having other areas treated with liposuction then I think that waiting 4 months would be OK. If you want a touch-up of areas treated, you may want to wait 6 months of longer for any residual swelling to improve.
Every Plastic surgeon is different, you will have to talk to your doctor, however, the areas you are talking about are different areas so you can have the surgeries perform when ever you are ready. This could be in one week or in 6 months, I usually recommend patients to do a second surgery (in a different area) when the patient is back to normal activities, or within 2 weeks from the first surgery, in order to group the recovery at one stage.
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In four months, you see the final result of your first liposuction. Then, you can proceed with other areas and with breast augmentation. If any touch up is needed from the first liposuction, you can have that done at the second operation.
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The breast and upper arm areas are far enough removed from the locations of liposuction so that these areas can be treated sooner rather than later. At least one month between surgeries is useful.
The timing of your next surgery will depend on how well you heal after your first procedure. The swelling can take anywhere from 3 months to a year to subside, but you may not have to wait until it's completely resolved. Having said all of this, I usually recommend waiting 3 months in between operations. Good luck!
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Obviously, this is a choice you should discuss with your doctor as different doctors do different things. I tend to be more conservative in these matters, and like to wait for a person to be totally pain free and comfortable. But everyone is unique, and that's why its important to discuss this with your doctor so you can get personalised attention rather than just a general answer.
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As the time of writing it is the Northern Irishman Rory McIlroy who is jointly top of the betting priced at best betting odds of 10/1 with BetVictor and others. He only managed to tie for eighth place in the 2014 tournament having finished on level par though he would have been much closer to the winner Watson had he not messed up his second round in which he shot a five over par 77. But really in a field of such class and depth we wouldn't be tempted by 10/1 for anyone and we wouldn't recommend backing Rory here.
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You're a worse pilot than I am! Wait.... — Zim |
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Previous: | Dib's Wonderful Life of Doom |
Next: | Backseat Drivers from Beyond the Stars |
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Episode No: | Episode 20 |
Production No: | 20 |
Airdate: | May 10, 2002 |
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Writer(s): | Jhonen Vasquez Eric Trueheart |
Plot Summary
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With his base crippled, Zim and GIR are forced to team up with Dib and Gaz in order to stop Tak's plan of hollowing out the Earth's molten core. Even as Tak's magma pump begins to siphon out the magma beneath Earth's crust, Dib searches for a way to shut it off, while Zim draws Tak away by engaging her in a harrowing chase in his Voot Cruiser. Meanwhile, Gaz and GIR wreak remote havoc with the memory disk of Tak's SIR unit. Thanks to their collected efforts, Tak is eventually forced to flee in an escape pod. After dealing with Tak, Zim tells the Tallest of his achievements; they are, of course, quite displeased, as they like snacks.
Meanwhile, Dib is in his usual spot on the roof of his house, gazing at the stars, when suddenly something falls from the sky and crashes into his lawn. Shocked, a slightly singed Dib looks into the burning crater, and finds Tak's ship. He smiles.
End of Spoilers: There are no further spoilers for this section or article. You can breathe now.
These tracks are found in Kevin Manthei's Amazing Invader Zim-Phony, and are in order, as follows:
- Tak's Lair
- Tak's Theme
- It's Love
- Happy Day?
Facts of Doom
Cultural References
- Tak's human clothes are based on the clothes Nny (Jhonen's first character and main character of his first comic Johnny The Homicidal Maniac, or JTHM) wears at the beginning of the comic.
- When Tak makes her exit from Zim's house, she turns herself invisible from the neck down by merely waving her hand in front of her face. This is in reference to the anime film Ghost in the Shell, where Major Motoko Kusanagi did such in the scenes right before the opening title.
- If one uses the animatics feature on Complete Invasion, he or she can see the original uncut montage. Jhonen took it out as it contained Zim kissing Tak's hand as well as her smiling at him and embracing him in a warm hug, which he didn't approve of at the time.
- In the animatics, when Ms. Bitters mentions having a Valentine once, the camera pans to a thought bubble over her head which features a mass of tentacles.
- Tak's shirt has the bottom half of the Irken insignia on it.
- At the very beginning of the episode, just as squirrels are dancing around on the windowsill and Ms. Bitters starts yelling 'no' into the phone, Zim can be seen messing around with what looks to be the spying tool he used to look for Dib in The Wettening and in the Pilot. However, it vanishes the next time he is shown.
- The squirrels dancing around at the beginning of the episode are cyborg squirrels.
- This episode marks the first time that a Control Brain is seen. The second and final time is in The Frycook What Came from All That Space.
- When the lava goes back into the Earth, a satellite can be seen that says 'Property of Earth' on its side. This satellite can be seen also in Dib's Wonderful Life of Doom and The Girl Who Cried Gnome.
- Tak's disguise only has three fingers, while most people in the series have four (with the exception of Keef). This is the only flaw in her otherwise perfect disguise.
- This is one of the episodes with DVD easter eggs.
- Even though this episode is a Valentine's Day episode, it first aired in the month May instead of February.
- In the commentary for this episode, a joke is made about Gaz being Zim's love interest. Apparently, some fans took this idea seriously. Jhonen Vasquez confirmed the the 2012 InvaderCON that had he wanted to put romance into the show, he would have actually paired Zim and Gaz together.
- When Zim busts through Tak's base, he says that the Earth is his to conquer, and that he already promised the moon to GIR. This would've been more evident in the cancelled and unfinished episode The Trial, where throughout the whole time Zim is away during this episode, GIR takes over Earth by using a laser Zim built on the Moon.
- When Tak and Dib are talking on the fence, a puddle of Gretchen's tears shows the reflection of Tak refusing meat from Dib, meaning that she is already aware of the reaction it causes. She also uses meat to harm Zim more than once. This would also imply that Tak has been on Earth for some time before making her appearance, seeing as she had a perfect disguise, plan, and already knew enough about Earth to blend in well.
- No one in the episode seems to notice anything strange about Dib appearing to befriend Tak, even though he doesn't have any friends.
- Being Irken, Tak should have been in pain when she touched meat or barbecue sauce, but she wasn't when she touched a wiener, ribs, and the sauce. However, her skin steams beneath her disguise when Gaz splashes her with Poop Cola.
- When Zim is talking with Professor Membrane, he drinks some liquid, but it doesn't bother him. Though, it burns him when he is splashed with Poop Cola.
- This is the second time Zim uses the on-board weapons on the Voot Cruiser during the space battle with Tak. The other time is in Hamstergeddon.
- When Dib asks about underground classrooms, one can hear Zim scream "Why does it hurt?", one of his lines from The Nightmare Begins.
- When Zim holds up Tak's "Kick Me!" note, the smiley face on it has female Irken antennae.
- When Zim is shown halfway inside a mailbox, on the mailbox is the same symbol used on the Conveyor Belt Planet, an Irken shipping and handling planet.
- As Tak flees, she ejects the inside of her ship from its outer shell. However, when it crashes to Earth, it is whole once more, leaving up to debate how Tak got away alive.
- When Zim uses GIR as a tracking device, it is most likely a reference to the Pilot when Zim places a listening device on the back of Dib's head.
- Tak makes a reference to the Roboparents in this episode, although she had never actually met them. This is either a mistake by the writers, or a hint that Tak had been following Zim for quite some time.
- This episode is called Invader Tak in the Nick website.
- When Gaz asks the computer if there are any video games in Zim's base, the response is no. However, in the Pilot, Zim can be seen playing a video game. Also, Keef asks Zim the same thing in Bestest Friend, and Zim replied in the affirmative. Zim is also seen playing video games on the Mariel Cartwright variant cover of issue 1.
- It's hinted in this episode that Zim does in fact take place in a futuristic time, because Dib says that people used to give out candy and cards.
- It's shown that Gretchen has a crush on Dib when she gave him meat. Dib gave most of his attention to Tak, much to Gretchen's dismay.
Changes & Cuts
- It was originally supposed to be called Zim and the Hideous New Girl.
- There was originally going to be a scene where Zim meets the Ham Demon he defeats in the second half of the episode. This part was cut, due to time constraints.
- In the original version of the episode, there was originally going to be a scene in that Zim will kiss Tak's hand and she will smile to him, but Jhonen Vasquez cut this part because he disliked the scene at that moment.
- This episode was going to be a one hour episode, but Nick didn't want a one hour episode unless it was something important to the series, so it was cut down to twenty-two minutes (thirty minutes with commercials).
Things You Might Have Missed
- The screens on the Control Brain from when it sees the future features clips of the Irken Armada from the opening scene of The Nightmare Begins.
- When Tak opens up her locker and finds the meat (Zim's 'courtship gift' to her), you can see a picture of Zim taped to the side of her locker, though it's ripped in half.
- When Zim walks into his base and GIR is upside-down looking at him, the television in his base is playing the Acne Blast Man commercial from the episode Rise of the Zitboy.
- The girl that the wieners attack disintegrates when the camera moves away.
- When Dib first enters Tak's base, you can see a pizza box fly by on one of the lifts.
- This episode shows the most Bloody GIRs; the first one is seen on the back wheels of the Meat Ship when Tak first appears, and the second is seen on her left shoe when Dib confronts her in her base.
- When Zim says "Yes, yes, so you blame me for your horrible life, blah blah, big deal!", he is holding a can of Poop Cola, which he is sprayed and burned by later. This means he can handle it internally, but not externally.
- When the students first greet Tak, and the jet outside takes off, the last couple of frames of the shot shows someone's math homework with some egregiously incorrect answers.
Inconsistencies and Animation Errors
- If one looks close enough as Tak blows a hole in Zim's house and leaves, one can see that Zim has no lenses on. The lenses are back on in the next frame.
- When Tak laughs after Zim says "WHAT IS THIS, and what is this plan?", the neck of her uniform is purple when it is normally pink.
- During the scene in Dib's kitchen, while Zim and Dib argue on top of the table. The cup of liquid that Zim set down when Dib walked in the room disappears and reappears randomly throughout the argument.
- Also, when Zim jumps out the window, the chair that Professor Membrane was sitting on suddenly disappears.
- When Zim is talking to Dib at the table, his tongue turns blue for an instant when he says "planet".
- When Tak pours her food tray on Zim's head in one scene, one can see that her arm is shown as it is when out of her disguise.
- When Tak first confronts Zim, GIR is in his dog disguise. However, when she finishes, GIR's costume is nowhere in sight.
- When Zim claims that Tak "stole this plan from me", the. colors on Zim's PAK are reversed. However, when GIR says "No she didn't!" and Zim yells "BE QUIET!", the colors return to normal.
- During the scene in which Tak explains to Zim how he ruined her chance of becoming an Invader, there are stripes on her arms when there normally aren't.
- When the GIR-controlled MiMi is about to grab Tak's face, the SIR Unit's eyes are normal instead of blue.
- When Zim is listening to Tak's plan, Dib's ears are gone.
- When Zim, Dib, Gaz, and GIR are about to listen to Tak's plan while they're walking they suddenly appear out of nowhere.
- As the camera pans over to Zim's house after his meat incident, there is a road behind his house, which is not supposed to be there.
- When Tak is laughing after Zim rejected her, her mouth opens really wide and her nose disappears.
- For a minute when Zim yells "THERE"! and the viewer can see Tak laughing, she stops laughing. For a few frames when her eyes are wide open, her right eyelash is purple instead of black.
- When Zim is talking to the Tallest, watch closely: The black PAK pods on Tallest Red's puppet repeatedly disappear and reappear in some moments.
- When Gaz says "Hey, what's this thing?", her mouth doesn't move until the camera pans over to her.
- During the scene where Dib tells Zim that he likes Tak, his nose disappears for a few frames.
- Just as the transmission is cut the first time Zim calls the Tallest, his right antenna disappears and then reappears behind his head.
- When Dib turns his head to ask Ms. Bitters about the old traditions of Valentine's Day, his nose goes missing for a couple of frames.
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• Write U.S. Trade Representative Kirk demanding transparency in Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) negotiations!
"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
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text: Feds Investigating Tesla Over Failure To Disclose Autopilot Crash To Investors: ReportMichael Ballaban7/11/16 4:54pmFiled to: Tesla CrashTeslaBusinessMoneySEC716EditPromoteShare to KinjaToggle Conversation toolsGo to permalink The Securities and Exchange Commission is investigating Tesla after it failed to disclose the fatal crash of a Model S cruising on Autopilot immediately to investors, the Wall Street Journal reports. Tesla sold $2 billion worth of stock in the days following the crash, and has argued that the crash was not material to the financial wellbeing of the company. Advertisement The crash, which killed Joshua D. Brown, occurred on May 7th. The stock sale began on May 18th. Tesla has said that it notified the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration on May 16th, nine days after the incident, and before it was aware that Autopilot was active during the incident. Tesla sent its own investigator to Florida, where the crash occurred, on May 18th. It completed its internal review of the data from the crash during the last of week of May, though exactly what the company knew and when still has not been disclosed. Advertisement NHTSA handles road safety-related matters, as well, not financial matters. Tesla informed the public of the crash on June 30th, in a blog post titled "A Tragic Loss."The crux of the SEC investigation, then, will be what is considered "material" to investors. Under current federal law, companies must disclose all "material" information – that is, information that can substantially affect the value of a company – to all investors at the same time. In other words, you can't strategically leak information to some investors, while leaving others in the dark, because that's how insider trading happens.But the issue that appears to be at hand is whether or not the knowledge of a fatal Autopilot crash, with Autopilot being a major selling point of Tesla's Model S and Model X vehicles, would be considered material to investors. Sponsored Fortune was the first to note the discrepancy, but Tesla CEO Elon Musk implied that the information was not material in an awful tweet, which also implied that Fortune published the story to enhance its own coffers:(As an aside, the story likely did not increase Fortune's advertising revenue, because that's not how the media business works.) Advertisement Tesla's argument here appears to be that because its share price didn't suffer, the crash was therefore not material. On May 6th, 2016, the day before the crash, Tesla's shares traded at $214.93. At close of trading today, they were at $224.78.It's unclear where the SEC investigation will shake out right now. What is or is not considered "material" is often defined by corporations themselves, and a decision on whether or not something is material is often decided by a court after an angry investor sues. But no investor lawsuits are flying just yet, this one is all federal investigators.We've reached out to Tesla for comment on the report, and will update when we hear back. More on this as we get it. Advertisement UPDATE 5:06 PM ET: A Tesla spokesperson had this to say about the report:Tesla has not received any communication from the SEC regarding this issue. Our blog post last week provided the relevant information about this issue. Michael firstname.lastname@example.com@ballabanDeputy Editor, Jalopnik. 1991 Yugo.PGP Fingerprint: 0D03 F37B 4C96 021E 4292 7B12 E080 0D0B 5968 F14E|PGP KeyReply71 repliesLeave a reply


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Monday, June 27, 2011
Another analogy...
Where would IP rights stand when this child has children, and they carry the anti-malarial GM code? Would any offspring carrying it have to be destroyed? Would new payments have to be made for future generations? Perhaps an on/off switch inserted in the genetic code that would have to be booted up at a price for future generations to enjoy the benefit of protection from disease? Or would the initial GM child simply have to be made sterile to prevent this problem ahead of time?
I doubt we would treat instances of GM human life like that. The benefit of increased public health and welfare would keep the profit calculus from extending so far down.
Heightening the stakes from the life of a plant to the life of a person perhaps highlights the question a little better, and puts us in a better position to step back again to GM crops... because despite a lack of depth in GM crops (compared to the dignity of human life), there is an awful lot of breadth present (billions of seeds produced, in legal limbo, or destroyed) that has real consequences for the livelihood of farmers and future food production.
And to head off concerns already expressed by Gary... yes, I realize that farmers already have agreements with Monsanto. I'm not trying to argue retroactively that a wrong has been committed. The question is whether the way we're handling things now is unfair, unproductive, or stupid... and whether it makes sense to change how things are done.
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Full disclosure: I am in general all for designer babies.
Well, for one thing, a human being isn't a plant. So human beings (in the liberal tradition at least) are given a special status both under the law and in our general moral outlook. One would assume that the payment made for the service would take into account the future benefits your discussing - indeed, that would also be part of the calculus of the customer as well. As the technology becomes more prevalent the cheaper it would also get. We have lots of examples of this sort of thing right now - where the future generational benefit is priced into purchase price.
"...that has real consequences for the livelihood of farmers and future food production."
No one doubts that; but so do the new lines of tractors and the invention of food printers. I just don't think of GMOs as being radical departures from what we've been doing with technology for a long time.
"The question is whether the way we're handling things now is unfair, unproductive, or stupid... and whether it makes sense to change how things are done."
Well, right now we have more food than we know what to do with; indeed, it is claimed that we have an "obesity epidemic" (though it is a health problem that no one clearly has any sort of real solution to - thus all the fad diets, etc. - personally I think it is more of a form of discrimination against hefty folks than anything - a kind of scapegoating for moral condemnation that every society seems to have to engage in - happily I'm a skinny mountain climbing, distance running freak). To me the pressing issue is the level of food scarcity for the world's poor; until that issue is dealt with I'm not going to trouble myself with what I consider largely trumped up fears regarding GMOs.I just don't think of GMOs as being radical departures from what we've been doing with technology for a long time.
I haven't been arguing that, either. I don't know why you keep bring this up.
To me the pressing issue is the level of food scarcity for the world's poor; until that issue is dealt with I'm not going to trouble myself with what I consider largely trumped up fears regarding GMOs.
This is another reason why you might be interested in taking the time to watch Food Inc.. I'm going off of the documentary and am certainly no expert, but producing "more food than we know what to do with" in the US has implications elsewhere. When food from here is cheap and plentiful thanks to folks like Monsanto, farmers in other countries go out of business. Another portion of Food Inc. covered undocumented workers... farmers from Mexico who lost their livelihood because of cheap US food, had to cross the border into the US to work for little money on the big farms, and were then rounded up and arrested once US sentiment turned anti-immigrant. Indian farmers have also faced trouble from Monsanto for different reasons.
I'm not trying to blame world food shortages all on Monsanto, and I appreciate the point about nitrogen levels mentioned in another article you posted (again, I don't know anything about it myself so I'm going off the article). What I'm trying to say is that there are problems with this system worth pointing out. The fact that I'm pointing some out doesn't mean that I'm arguing we should sow like Johnny Appleseed or something. I reject the idea you keep bringing up that raising problems about certain forms and effects of technologies amounts to some quixotic attempt to reject all technologies.(1) U.S. (and European and Japanese) trade policy hurts developing world farmers (and poor people in the U.S.). We've known this forever and OxFam (hardly a right-wing outfit), etc. have been making this argument for a long, long time. The Doha round was supposed to alleviate some of that; the current Republican house has made some noise about reforming farm subsidies, etc.; Obama made a bunch of noise about doing so himself (by pushing the Congress in that direction), but he's gone nowhere (in large part because Iowa bodes so large when it comes to the primaries, and also because Congress critters from the states which benefit from these subsidies don't want to give up the benefits to such that are accrued by the voting blocs in those states).
(2) If U.S. farmers can in a free market make food cheaper than their foreign counterparts there is nothing wrong with that; that's basic comparative advantage. The problem lies with the distortions associated with trade policy, some of our environmental laws (which are clearly designed to screw over foreign farmers), etc.
(3) Did Food, Inc. discuss any of that? Because if it didn't then it isn't really worth watching.
(4) The only solution to developing world hunger is (a) technological innovation and (b) market expansion. That's not an original argument of mine; I learned it from Julian Simon.Well, I do wish Daniel would discuss issues like this more, rather than it being mostly about what somebody said about Keynes today and that sort of thing. So I guess that is a compliment.
I've got to get back to what I am doing here (looking for a job - my Pacific Crest Trail project went bust due to injury).- AnonymousJune 27, 2011 at 6:53 PM
Evan, try reading more about the subject rather than relying on a hit piece documentary. I will suggest _Just Food_ byt James E. McWilliams (but only because I had some hand in it ;) ). He's turned vegetarian after what he learned, and was anti-GMO when he started his research. What he found and writes about may be a little surprising.
I also see your argument is getting very close to the red herring of seed purchase again. Would you write the same thing about Pioneer hybrids? Why or why not? If you would, why now and not 60 years ago? If you would, why now and not 60 years ago?
Mostly because my father wasn't a twinkle in my grandfather's eye 60 years ago.
You seem to exhibit the same tendency as Gary in saying that if something's been done or thought already, heaven forbid we reassess along the same lines later, or have the same thought a second time, or try it out again in a new situation.Full disclosure: I am a designer baby.
Evan, I'm a big fan of analogies myself (as is probably only to clear from my general comments)... But here I think you are guilty of something that frustrates me about (certain) libertarian-style arguments. That is, directly comparing things that are completely different in terms of moral seriousness. (David Sobel had a good post on this issue not too long ago.)
Okay, perhaps that isn't fair. I know you are trying to cut to the nub of how we address these "self-replicating" IP problems. However, I guess my point is that we have no real basis to believe that the restrictions on designer babies (and their descendants) would be similar to cases that concern plants.
I don't believe that it is morally conscionable to exclude a person's descendants from some genetic enhancement -- provided that it was overcoming a handicap or clear vulnerability. (I'm less unequivocal about enhancement that bequeaths "unnatural" advantages.) At the same time, I see no reason to use that as a basis for deciding the IP rights on plant technology. Indeed, I'm happy to allow food co.'s this right, as long as it doesn't make farmers worse off in the long-run or lead to jeopardised food supply generally... and I currently have insufficient cause to think that it will.Evan,
I'm of the radical Whig tradition - I have a good idea what doesn't work toward liberty - public debt, standing armies, mercantilism, etc. You only reassess stuff based on the goal you are interested in; I am interested in the goal that Jefferson was interested in - a nation with a very small national government that has little purchase on the lives of the citizenry.
"(I'm less unequivocal about enhancement that bequeaths "unnatural" advantages.)"
That is going to come whether someone likes it or not. Athletes dope and will continue to do so, and if genetic engineering can help them compete better they'll engage in that too. It is a matter of incentives. And of course it is a way to boost what we know is the "ultimate resource" (to use Simon's term) - people.Gary,
Oh ya, I think you are almost certainly correct... Although, I can't fully shake some lingering concerns, which I have about that kind of thing.
On that note, I was watching an interview with Ray Kurzweil last week. His predictions about the coming augmentations to human biology (genetic and technological) leave me feeling strangely depressed and excited at the same time. There's a lot of room to criticise (parts of) his predictions, but I can't really fault his sentiment that human biology is mostly comprised of "outdated software".