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With these words I was thinking that I had made an end of the discussion; but the end, in truth, proved to be only a beginning. For Glaucon, who is always the most pugnacious of men, was dissatisfied at Thrasymachus' retirement; he wanted to have the battle out. So he said to me: Socrates, do you wish really to persuade us, or only to seem to have persuaded us, that to be just is always better than to be unjust?
I should wish really to persuade you, I replied, if I could.
Then you certainly have not succeeded. Let me ask you now:--How would you arrange goods--are there not some which we welcome for their own sakes, and independently of their consequences, as, for example, harmless pleasures and enjoyments, which delight us at the time, although nothing follows from them?
I agree in thinking that there is such a class, I replied.
Is there not also a second class of goods, such as knowledge, sight, health, which are desirable not only in themselves, but also for their results?
Certainly, I said.
And would you not recognize a third class, such as gymnastic, and the care of the sick, and the physician's art; also the various ways of money-making--these do us good but we regard them as disagreeable; and no one would choose them for their own sakes, but only for the sake of some reward or result which flows from them?
There is, I said, this third class also. But why do you ask?
Because I want to know in which of the three classes you would place justice?
In the highest class, I replied,--among those goods which he who would be happy desires both for their own sake and for the sake of their results.
Then the many are of another mind; they think that justice is to be reckoned in the troublesome class, among goods which are to be pursued for the sake of rewards and of reputation, but in themselves are disagreeable and rather to be avoided.
I know, I said, that this is their manner of thinking, and that this was the thesis which Thrasymachus was maintaining just now, when he censured justice and praised injustice. But I am too stupid to be convinced by him.
I wish, he said, that you would hear me as well as him, and then I shall see whether you and I agree. For Thrasymachus seems to me, like a snake, to have been charmed by your voice sooner than he ought to have been; but to my mind the nature of justice and injustice have not yet been made clear. Setting aside their rewards and results, I want to know what they are in themselves, and how they inwardly work in the soul. If you, please, then, I will revive the argument of Thrasymachus. And first I will speak of the nature and origin of justice according to the common view of them. Secondly, I will show that all men who practise justice do so against their will, of necessity, but not as a good. And thirdly, I will argue that there is reason in this view, for the life of the unjust is after all better far than the life of the just--if what they say is true, Socrates, since I myself am not of their opinion. But still I acknowledge that I am perplexed when I hear the voices of Thrasymachus and myriads of others dinning in my ears; and, on the other hand, I have never yet heard the superiority of justice to injustice maintained by any one in a satisfactory way. I want to hear justice praised in respect of itself; then I shall be satisfied, and you are the person from whom I think that I am most likely to hear this; and therefore I will praise the unjust life to the utmost of my power, and my manner of speaking will indicate the manner in which I desire to hear you too praising justice and censuring injustice. Will you say whether you approve of my proposal?
Indeed I do; nor can I imagine any theme about which a man of sense would oftener wish to converse.
I am delighted, he replied, to hear you say so, and shall begin by speaking, as I proposed, of the nature and origin of justice.
They say that to do injustice is, by nature, good; to suffer injustice, evil; but that the evil is greater than the good. And so when men have both done and suffered injustice and have had experience of both, not being able to avoid the one and obtain the other, they think that they had better agree among themselves to have neither; hence there arise laws and mutual covenants; and that which is ordained by law is termed by them lawful and just. This they affirm to be the origin and nature of justice;--it is a mean or compromise, between the best of all, which is to do injustice and not be punished, and the worst of all, which is to suffer injustice without the power of retaliation; and justice, being at a middle point between the two, is tolerated not as a good, but as the lesser evil, and honoured by reason of the inability of men to do injustice. For no man who is worthy to be called a man would ever submit to such an agreement if he were able to resist; he would be mad if he did. Such is the received account, Socrates, of the nature and origin of justice.
Now that those who practise justice do so involuntarily and because they have not the power to be unjust will best appear if we imagine something of this kind: having given both to the just and the unjust power to do what they will, let us watch and see whither desire will lead them; then we shall discover in the very act the just and unjust man to be proceeding along the same road, following their interest, which all natures deem to be their good, and are only diverted into the path of justice by the force of law. The liberty which we are supposing may be most completely given to them in the form of such a power as is said to have been possessed by Gyges, the ancestor of Croesus the Lydian. According to the tradition, Gyges was a shepherd in the service of the king of Lydia; there was a great storm, and an earthquake made an opening in the earth at the place where he was feeding his flock. Amazed at the sight, he descended into the opening, where, among other marvels, he beheld a hollow brazen horse, having doors, at which he stooping and looking in saw a dead body of stature, as appeared to him, more than human, and having nothing on but a gold ring; this he took from the finger of the dead and reascended. Now the shepherds met together, according to custom, that they might send their monthly report about the flocks to the king; into their assembly he came having the ring on his finger, and as he was sitting among them he chanced to turn the collet of the ring inside his hand, when instantly he became invisible to the rest of the company and they began to speak of him as if he were no longer present. He was astonished at this, and again touching the ring he turned the collet outwards and reappeared; he made several trials of the ring, and always with the same result--when he turned the collet inwards he became invisible, when outwards he reappeared. Whereupon he contrived to be chosen one of the messengers who were sent to the court; whereas soon as he arrived he seduced the queen, and with her help conspired against the king and slew him, and took the kingdom. Suppose now that there were two such magic rings, and the just put on one of them and the unjust the other; no man can be imagined to be of such an iron nature that he would stand fast in justice. No man would keep his hands off what was not his own when he could safely take what he liked out of the market, or go into houses and lie with any one at his pleasure, or kill or release from prison whom he would, and in all respects be like a God among men. Then the actions of the just would be as the actions of the unjust; they would both come at last to the same point. And this we may truly affirm to be a great proof that a man is just, not willingly or because he thinks that justice is any good to him individually, but of necessity, for wherever any one thinks that he can safely be unjust, there he is unjust. For all men believe in their hearts that injustice is far more profitable to the individual than justice, and he who argues as I have been supposing, will say that they are right. If you could imagine any one obtaining this power of becoming invisible, and never doing any wrong or touching what was another's, he would be thought by the lookers-on to be a most wretched idiot, although they would praise him to one another's faces, and keep up appearances with one another from a fear that they too might suffer injustice. Enough of this.
Now, if we are to form a real judgment of the life of the just and unjust, we must isolate them; there is no other way; and how is the isolation to be effected? I answer: Let the unjust man be entirely unjust, and the just man entirely just; nothing is to be taken away from either of them, and both are to be perfectly furnished for the work of their respective lives. First, let the unjust be like other distinguished masters of craft; like the skilful pilot or physician, who knows intuitively his own powers and keeps within their limits, and who, if he fails at any point, is able to recover himself. So let the unjust make his unjust attempts in the right way, and lie hidden if he means to be great in his injustice: (he who is found out is nobody:) for the highest reach of injustice is, to be deemed just when you are not. Therefore I say that in the perfectly unjust man we must assume the most perfect injustice; there is to be no deduction, but we must allow him, while doing the most unjust acts, to have acquired the greatest reputation for justice. If he have taken a false step he must be able to recover himself; he must be one who can speak with effect, if any of his deeds come to light, and who can force his way where force is required by his courage and strength, and command of money and friends. And at his side let us place the just man in his nobleness and simplicity, wishing, as Aeschylus says, to be and not to seem good. There must be no seeming, for if he seem to be just he will be honoured and rewarded, and then we shall not know whether he is just for the sake of justice or for the sake of honours and rewards; therefore, let him be clothed in justice only, and have no other covering; and he must be imagined in a state of life the opposite of the former. Let him be the best of men, and let him be thought the worst; then he will have been put to the proof; and we shall see whether he will be affected by the fear of infamy and its consequences. And let him continue thus to the hour of death; being just and seeming to be unjust. When both have reached the uttermost extreme, the one of justice and the other of injustice, let judgment be given which of them is the happier of the two.
Heavens! my dear Glaucon, I said, how energetically you polish them up for the decision, first one and then the other, as if they were two statues.
I do my best, he said. And now that we know what they are like there is no difficulty in tracing out the sort of life which awaits either of them. This I will proceed to describe; but as you may think the description a little too coarse, I ask you to suppose, Socrates, that the words which follow are not mine.--Let me put them into the mouths of the eulogists of injustice: They will tell you that the just man who is thought unjust will be scourged, racked, bound--will have his eyes burnt out; and, at last, after suffering every kind of evil, he will be impaled: Then he will understand that he ought to seem only, and not to be, just; the words of Aeschylus may be more truly spoken of the unjust than of the just. For the unjust is pursuing a reality; he does not live with a view to appearances-- he wants to be really unjust and not to seem only:--
'His mind has a soil deep and fertile, Out of which spring his prudent counsels.'
In the first place, he is thought just, and therefore bears rule in the city; he can marry whom he will, and give in marriage to whom he will; also he can trade and deal where he likes, and always to his own advantage, because he has no misgivings about injustice; and at every contest, whether in public or private, he gets the better of his antagonists, and gains at their expense, and is rich, and out of his gains he can benefit his friends, and harm his enemies; moreover, he can offer sacrifices, and dedicate gifts to the gods abundantly and magnificently, and can honour the gods or any man whom he wants to honour in a far better style than the just, and therefore he is likely to be dearer than they are to the gods. And thus, Socrates, gods and men are said to unite in making the life of the unjust better than the life of the just.
I was going to say something in answer to Glaucon, when Adeimantus, his brother, interposed: Socrates, he said, you do not suppose that there is nothing more to be urged?
Why, what else is there? I answered.
The strongest point of all has not been even mentioned, he replied.
Well, then, according to the proverb, 'Let brother help brother'--if he fails in any part do you assist him; although I must confess that Glaucon has already said quite enough to lay me in the dust, and take from me the power of helping justice.
Nonsense, he replied. But let me add something more: There is another side to Glaucon's argument about the praise and censure of justice and injustice, which is equally required in order to bring out what I believe to be his meaning. Parents and tutors are always telling their sons and their wards that they are to be just; but why? not for the sake of justice, but for the sake of character and reputation; in the hope of obtaining for him who is reputed just some of those offices, marriages, and the like which Glaucon has enumerated among the advantages accruing to the unjust from the reputation of justice. More, however, is made of appearances by this class of persons than by the others; for they throw in the good opinion of the gods, and will tell you of a shower of benefits which the heavens, as they say, rain upon the pious; and this accords with the testimony of the noble Hesiod and Homer, the first of whom says, that the gods make the oaks of the just--
'To bear acorns at their summit, and bees in the middle; And the sheep are bowed down with the weight of their fleeces,'
and many other blessings of a like kind are provided for them. And Homer has a very similar strain; for he speaks of one whose fame is--
'As the fame of some blameless king who, like a god, Maintains justice; to whom the black earth brings forth Wheat and barley, whose trees are bowed with fruit, And his sheep never fail to bear, and the sea gives him fish.'
Still grander are the gifts of heaven which Musaeus and his son vouchsafe to the just; they take them down into the world below, where they have the saints lying on couches at a feast, everlastingly drunk, crowned with garlands; their idea seems to be that an immortality of drunkenness is the highest meed of virtue. Some extend their rewards yet further; the posterity, as they say, of the faithful and just shall survive to the third and fourth generation. This is the style in which they praise justice. But about the wicked there is another strain; they bury them in a slough in Hades, and make them carry water in a sieve; also while they are yet living they bring them to infamy, and inflict upon them the punishments which Glaucon described as the portion of the just who are reputed to be unjust; nothing else does their invention supply. Such is their manner of praising the one and censuring the other.
Once more, Socrates, I will ask you to consider another way of speaking about justice and injustice, which is not confined to the poets, but is found in prose writers. The universal voice of mankind is always declaring that justice and virtue are honourable, but grievous and toilsome; and that the pleasures of vice and injustice are easy of attainment, and are only censured by law and opinion. They say also that honesty is for the most part less profitable than dishonesty; and they are quite ready to call wicked men happy, and to honour them both in public and private when they are rich or in any other way influential, while they despise and overlook those who may be weak and poor, even though acknowledging them to be better than the others. But most extraordinary of all is their mode of speaking about virtue and the gods: they say that the gods apportion calamity and misery to many good men, and good and happiness to the wicked. And mendicant prophets go to rich men's doors and persuade them that they have a power committed to them by the gods of making an atonement for a man's own or his ancestor's sins by sacrifices or charms, with rejoicings and feasts; and they promise to harm an enemy, whether just or unjust, at a small cost; with magic arts and incantations binding heaven, as they say, to execute their will. And the poets are the authorities to whom they appeal, now smoothing the path of vice with the words of Hesiod;--
'Vice may be had in abundance without trouble; the way is smooth and her dwelling-place is near. But before virtue the gods have set toil,'
and a tedious and uphill road: then citing Homer as a witness that the gods may be influenced by men; for he also says:--
'The gods, too, may be turned from their purpose; and men pray to them and avert their wrath by sacrifices and soothing entreaties, and by libations and the odour of fat, when they have sinned and transgressed.'
And they produce a host of books written by Musaeus and Orpheus, who were children of the Moon and the Muses--that is what they say--according to which they perform their ritual, and persuade not only individuals, but whole cities, that expiations and atonements for sin may be made by sacrifices and amusements which fill a vacant hour, and are equally at the service of the living and the dead; the latter sort they call mysteries, and they redeem us from the pains of hell, but if we neglect them no one knows what awaits us.
He proceeded: And now when the young hear all this said about virtue and vice, and the way in which gods and men regard them, how are their minds likely to be affected, my dear Socrates,--those of them, I mean, who are quickwitted, and, like bees on the wing, light on every flower, and from all that they hear are prone to draw conclusions as to what manner of persons they should be and in what way they should walk if they would make the best of life? Probably the youth will say to himself in the words of Pindar--
'Can I by justice or by crooked ways of deceit ascend a loftier tower which may be a fortress to me all my days?'
For what men say is that, if I am really just and am not also thought just profit there is none, but the pain and loss on the other hand are unmistakeable. But if, though unjust, I acquire the reputation of justice, a heavenly life is promised to me. Since then, as philosophers prove, appearance tyrannizes over truth and is lord of happiness, to appearance I must devote myself. I will describe around me a picture and shadow of virtue to be the vestibule and exterior of my house; behind I will trail the subtle and crafty fox, as Archilochus, greatest of sages, recommends. But I hear some one exclaiming that the concealment of wickedness is often difficult; to which I answer, Nothing great is easy. Nevertheless, the argument indicates this, if we would be happy, to be the path along which we should proceed. With a view to concealment we will establish secret brotherhoods and political clubs. And there are professors of rhetoric who teach the art of persuading courts and assemblies; and so, partly by persuasion and partly by force, I shall make unlawful gains and not be punished. Still I hear a voice saying that the gods cannot be deceived, neither can they be compelled. But what if there are no gods? or, suppose them to have no care of human things--why in either case should we mind about concealment? And even if there are gods, and they do care about us, yet we know of them only from tradition and the genealogies of the poets; and these are the very persons who say that they may be influenced and turned by 'sacrifices and soothing entreaties and by offerings.' Let us be consistent then, and believe both or neither. If the poets speak truly, why then we had better be unjust, and offer of the fruits of injustice; for if we are just, although we may escape the vengeance of heaven, we shall lose the gains of injustice; but, if we are unjust, we shall keep the gains, and by our sinning and praying, and praying and sinning, the gods will be propitiated, and we shall not be punished. 'But there is a world below in which either we or our posterity will suffer for our unjust deeds.' Yes, my friend, will be the reflection, but there are mysteries and atoning deities, and these have great power. That is what mighty cities declare; and the children of the gods, who were their poets and prophets, bear a like testimony.
On what principle, then, shall we any longer choose justice rather than the worst injustice? when, if we only unite the latter with a deceitful regard to appearances, we shall fare to our mind both with gods and men, in life and after death, as the most numerous and the highest authorities tell us. Knowing all this, Socrates, how can a man who has any superiority of mind or person or rank or wealth, be willing to honour justice; or indeed to refrain from laughing when he hears justice praised? And even if there should be some one who is able to disprove the truth of my words, and who is satisfied that justice is best, still he is not angry with the unjust, but is very ready to forgive them, because he also knows that men are not just of their own free will; unless, peradventure, there be some one whom the divinity within him may have inspired with a hatred of injustice, or who has attained knowledge of the truth--but no other man. He only blames injustice who, owing to cowardice or age or some weakness, has not the power of being unjust. And this is proved by the fact that when he obtains the power, he immediately becomes unjust as far as he can be.
The cause of all this, Socrates, was indicated by us at the beginning of the argument, when my brother and I told you how astonished we were to find that of all the professing panegyrists of justice--beginning with the ancient heroes of whom any memorial has been preserved to us, and ending with the men of our own time--no one has ever blamed injustice or praised justice except with a view to the glories, honours, and benefits which flow from them. No one has ever adequately described either in verse or prose the true essential nature of either of them abiding in the soul, and invisible to any human or divine eye; or shown that of all the things of a man's soul which he has within him, justice is the greatest good, and injustice the greatest evil. Had this been the universal strain, had you sought to persuade us of this from our youth upwards, we should not have been on the watch to keep one another from doing wrong, but every one would have been his own watchman, because afraid, if he did wrong, of harbouring in himself the greatest of evils. I dare say that Thrasymachus and others would seriously hold the language which I have been merely repeating, and words even stronger than these about justice and injustice, grossly, as I conceive, perverting their true nature. But I speak in this vehement manner, as I must frankly confess to you, because I want to hear from you the opposite side; and I would ask you to show not only the superiority which justice has over injustice, but what effect they have on the possessor of them which makes the one to be a good and the other an evil to him. And please, as Glaucon requested of you, to exclude reputations; for unless you take away from each of them his true reputation and add on the false, we shall say that you do not praise justice, but the appearance of it; we shall think that you are only exhorting us to keep injustice dark, and that you really agree with Thrasymachus in thinking that justice is another's good and the interest of the stronger, and that injustice is a man's own profit and interest, though injurious to the weaker. Now as you have admitted that justice is one of that highest class of goods which are desired indeed for their results, but in a far greater degree for their own sakes--like sight or hearing or knowledge or health, or any other real and natural and not merely conventional good--I would ask you in your praise of justice to regard one point only: I mean the essential good and evil which justice and injustice work in the possessors of them. Let others praise justice and censure injustice, magnifying the rewards and honours of the one and abusing the other; that is a manner of arguing which, coming from them, I am ready to tolerate, but from you who have spent your whole life in the consideration of this question, unless I hear the contrary from your own lips, I expect something better. And therefore, I say, not only prove to us that justice is better than injustice, but show what they either of them do to the possessor of them, which makes the one to be a good and the other an evil, whether seen or unseen by gods and men.
I had always admired the genius of Glaucon and Adeimantus, but on hearing these words I was quite delighted, and said: Sons of an illustrious father, that was not a bad beginning of the Elegiac verses which the admirer of Glaucon made in honour of you after you had distinguished yourselves at the battle of Megara:--
'Sons of Ariston,' he sang, 'divine offspring of an illustrious hero.'
The epithet is very appropriate, for there is something truly divine in being able to argue as you have done for the superiority of injustice, and remaining unconvinced by your own arguments. And I do believe that you are not convinced--this I infer from your general character, for had I judged only from your speeches I should have mistrusted you. But now, the greater my confidence in you, the greater is my difficulty in knowing what to say. For I am in a strait between two; on the one hand I feel that I am unequal to the task; and my inability is brought home to me by the fact that you were not satisfied with the answer which I made to Thrasymachus, proving, as I thought, the superiority which justice has over injustice. And yet I cannot refuse to help, while breath and speech remain to me; I am afraid that there would be an impiety in being present when justice is evil spoken of and not lifting up a hand in her defence. And therefore I had best give such help as I can.
Glaucon and the rest entreated me by all means not to let the question drop, but to proceed in the investigation. They wanted to arrive at the truth, first, about the nature of justice and injustice, and secondly, about their relative advantages. I told them, what I really thought, that the enquiry would be of a serious nature, and would require very good eyes. Seeing then, I said, that we are no great wits, I think that we had better adopt a method which I may illustrate thus; suppose that a short-sighted person had been asked by some one to read small letters from a distance; and it occurred to some one else that they might be found in another place which was larger and in which the letters were larger--if they were the same and he could read the larger letters first, and then proceed to the lesser--this would have been thought a rare piece of good fortune.
Very true, said Adeimantus; but how does the illustration apply to our enquiry?
I will tell you, I replied; justice, which is the subject of our enquiry, is, as you know, sometimes spoken of as the virtue of an individual, and sometimes as the virtue of a State.
True, he replied.
And is not a State larger than an individual?
It is.
Then in the larger the quantity of justice is likely to be larger and more easily discernible. I propose therefore that we enquire into the nature of justice and injustice, first as they appear in the State, and secondly in the individual, proceeding from the greater to the lesser and comparing them.
That, he said, is an excellent proposal.
And if we imagine the State in process of creation, we shall see the justice and injustice of the State in process of creation also.
I dare say.
When the State is completed there may be a hope that the object of our search will be more easily discovered.
Yes, far more easily.
But ought we to attempt to construct one? I said; for to do so, as I am inclined to think, will be a very serious task. Reflect therefore.
I have reflected, said Adeimantus, and am anxious that you should proceed.
A State, I said, arises, as I conceive, out of the needs of mankind; no one is self-sufficing, but all of us have many wants. Can any other origin of a State be imagined?
There can be no other.
Then, as we have many wants, and many persons are needed to supply them, one takes a helper for one purpose and another for another; and when these partners and helpers are gathered together in one habitation the body of inhabitants is termed a State.
True, he said.
And they exchange with one another, and one gives, and another receives, under the idea that the exchange will be for their good.
Very true.
Then, I said, let us begin and create in idea a State; and yet the true creator is necessity, who is the mother of our invention.
Of course, he replied.
Now the first and greatest of necessities is food, which is the condition of life and existence.
The second is a dwelling, and the third clothing and the like.
And now let us see how our city will be able to supply this great demand: We may suppose that one man is a husbandman, another a builder, some one else a weaver--shall we add to them a shoemaker, or perhaps some other purveyor to our bodily wants?
Quite right.
The barest notion of a State must include four or five men.
And how will they proceed? Will each bring the result of his labours into a common stock?--the individual husbandman, for example, producing for four, and labouring four times as long and as much as he need in the provision of food with which he supplies others as well as himself; or will he have nothing to do with others and not be at the trouble of producing for them, but provide for himself alone a fourth of the food in a fourth of the time, and in the remaining three fourths of his time be employed in making a house or a coat or a pair of shoes, having no partnership with others, but supplying himself all his own wants?
Adeimantus thought that he should aim at producing food only and not at producing everything.
Probably, I replied, that would be the better way; and when I hear you say this, I am myself reminded that we are not all alike; there are diversities of natures among us which are adapted to different occupations.
And will you have a work better done when the workman has many occupations, or when he has only one?
When he has only one.
Further, there can be no doubt that a work is spoilt when not done at the right time?
No doubt.
For business is not disposed to wait until the doer of the business is at leisure; but the doer must follow up what he is doing, and make the business his first object.
He must.
And if so, we must infer that all things are produced more plentifully and easily and of a better quality when one man does one thing which is natural to him and does it at the right time, and leaves other things.
Then more than four citizens will be required; for the husbandman will not make his own plough or mattock, or other implements of agriculture, if they are to be good for anything. Neither will the builder make his tools--and he too needs many; and in like manner the weaver and shoemaker.
Then carpenters, and smiths, and many other artisans, will be sharers in our little State, which is already beginning to grow?
Yet even if we add neatherds, shepherds, and other herdsmen, in order that our husbandmen may have oxen to plough with, and builders as well as husbandmen may have draught cattle, and curriers and weavers fleeces and hides,--still our State will not be very large.
That is true; yet neither will it be a very small State which contains all these.
Then, again, there is the situation of the city--to find a place where nothing need be imported is wellnigh impossible.
Then there must be another class of citizens who will bring the required supply from another city?
There must.
But if the trader goes empty-handed, having nothing which they require who would supply his need, he will come back empty-handed.
That is certain.
And therefore what they produce at home must be not only enough for themselves, but such both in quantity and quality as to accommodate those from whom their wants are supplied.
Then more husbandmen and more artisans will be required?
They will.
Not to mention the importers and exporters, who are called merchants?
Then we shall want merchants?
We shall.
And if merchandise is to be carried over the sea, skilful sailors will also be needed, and in considerable numbers?
Yes, in considerable numbers.
Then, again, within the city, how will they exchange their productions? To secure such an exchange was, as you will remember, one of our principal objects when we formed them into a society and constituted a State.
Clearly they will buy and sell.
Then they will need a market-place, and a money-token for purposes of exchange.
Suppose now that a husbandman, or an artisan, brings some production to market, and he comes at a time when there is no one to exchange with him,-- is he to leave his calling and sit idle in the market-place?
Not at all; he will find people there who, seeing the want, undertake the office of salesmen. In well-ordered states they are commonly those who are the weakest in bodily strength, and therefore of little use for any other purpose; their duty is to be in the market, and to give money in exchange for goods to those who desire to sell and to take money from those who desire to buy.
This want, then, creates a class of retail-traders in our State. Is not 'retailer' the term which is applied to those who sit in the market-place engaged in buying and selling, while those who wander from one city to another are called merchants?
Yes, he said.
And there is another class of servants, who are intellectually hardly on the level of companionship; still they have plenty of bodily strength for labour, which accordingly they sell, and are called, if I do not mistake, hirelings, hire being the name which is given to the price of their labour.
Then hirelings will help to make up our population?
And now, Adeimantus, is our State matured and perfected?
I think so.
Where, then, is justice, and where is injustice, and in what part of the State did they spring up?
Probably in the dealings of these citizens with one another. I cannot imagine that they are more likely to be found any where else.
I dare say that you are right in your suggestion, I said; we had better think the matter out, and not shrink from the enquiry.
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>>71687267don't tell me this is the same thread from that newfag OP that posted like 3 hours ago
no, i just replied to it lol
Some pretty good songs, Blur are miles superior though.
Plastic Beach > s/t > Demon Days >>> The Fall
>>71687267luv>>71687402nah>>71687440demon > plastic > fall > s/t
>>71687440Demon Days = Plastic Beach = The Fall > Gorillaz
>>71687267Pretty good band that gets hate on /mu/ because of they're fairly popular. Patiently awaiting the release of the new album and hoping it will be better than Plastic Beach (based on the leaked demo tracks, that might just be the case)>>71687440Demon Days > Plastic Beach > S/T > The FallPersonally I love S/T and its singles, but it doesn't carry a theme as well as Plastic Beach does. I'd still put it pretty close though.
>>71687440Plastic Beach = Demon Days > S/T > The Fall
>>71687267 i used to listen their st when I was 10 just for fun They are nothing special
>>71687440Demon Days > D-Sides > G-Sides > Gorillaz > Plastic Beach > Laika Come Home > The Fall
>>71687557leaked demo tracks?
>>71688067The Fall > D-Sides > G-Sides > Laika Come Home > Demon Days > Plastic Beach
>>71687267I'm probably the only one, but..st/demon days/plastic beach=the fallI just really liked the early trip hop influence opposed to the stuff on plastic beach, seemed more raw.
>>71688448Basically, copyright claim on Hallelujah money leads to leaked tracklist>Andromeda (Feat. D.R.A.M.)Ascension (Feat. Vince Staples)Busted And BlueCarnival (Feat. Anthony Hamilton)Charger (Feat. Grace Jones)Circle Of Friendz (Feat. Brandon Markell Holmes)Halfway To The Halfway House (Feat. Peven Everett)Hallelujah Money (Feat. Benjamin Clementine)Interlude: Elevator Going UpInterlude: New WorldInterlude: PenthouseInterlude: Talk RadioInterlude: The ElephantInterlude: The Non-conformist OathIntro: I Switched My Robot OffLet Me Out (Feat. Mavis Staples & Pusha T)Momentz (Feat. De La Soul)Out Of Body (Feat. Kilo Kish, Zebra Katz & Imani Voshana)Saturnz Barz (Feat. Popcaan)Sex Murder Party (Feat. Jamie Principle & Zebra Katz)She's My Collar (Feat. Kali Uchis)Strobelite (Feat. Peven Everett)Submission (Feat. Danny Brown & Kelela)The Apprentice (Feat. Rag'n'bone Man, Zebra Katz & Ray BLK)Ticker Tape (Feat. Carly Simon & Kali Uchis)We Got The Power (Feat. Jehnny Beth)>Songs are searched on Vimeo, in which people find password locked stage demos for a live performance, two of which have full songs on them (Black and Blue, Saturnz Barz). The person who posted them is called and told his shit has been leaked, account gets deleted.
>>71688606That tracklist is only in alphabetical order by the way, so that's obviously not how it will look on the album.
>Submission (Feat. Danny Brown & Kelela)
Demon days is the best album i'll kill fucks over that. Got that bad boy on vinyl
>>71687387>can't into capitalizing>can't into quoting a postConfirmed for that underage faggot from earlierMods pls ban
My friend got a spare ticket for their festival in England and said I should come. Should I? What am I in for?
Who's paying $30 for a vinyl me please one month subscription
>>71688914dude why would you not. that's a good buddy you got there
>>71688914Go you twat. I saw them on their Dick Ants tour and it was one of the best gigs of my life, utterly phenomenal.Plus, it's bloody sold out
>>71688946I've just never really listened to much of their stuff at all. Any idea what the lineup might be like? I have no idea what to expect
Best band of the 2000s
>>71688978It'll most likely be bands involved with the record. On their PB tour they had Little Dragon, De La Soul and that orchestra along with emI'd say De La are defo a safe bet
>>71688939Well I paid $29 and I'm getting $10 back because I used a referral
white guy hip hop for dadrockers, cultureless and formulaic only retards are interested
imo this band only has 1 great album and it's demon days
>>71687267OK, now stop posting this thread
Old gorillaz was better, they had fun and powerful songs, not it's just meh experimental
Like them a lot. DD>PBthose are albumsS/T>The Fallthese are collections of songsThe videos and story is pretty interesting too.
>>71689113I'm hoping for little dragon, she was involved in some of the best tracks on PB However it's unlikely.
>>71687267Edgelords. They appeal to the furry crowd and they're fairly mainstream, so I'd congratulate them.Pretty gay though
They bring experimental music into the mainstream and they make it boring because of that
>>71690001>They appeal to the furry crowdWhat? How?
>>71689853I feel like Gorillaz was always experimental shit. However this album feels slow compared to the others.Was listening to busted and blue and was hoping that it would pick up. Honestly I think Damon should go back and see what made Demon days and Gorillaz so good and build on that again.


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Dear Lady Farmer,
I love the scripture that so aptly describes your cow cleansing! :)
What a nice little herd you have; so well-behaved. And I love your Christmas cactus' coloring. I had to leave the two Christmas cactuses that we had in Idaho with my mother when we moved, since Mr. Graham wasn't too keen on driving halfway across the country with them in the moving truck's cab!
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so refreshing to see the white contrast with all that lovely wood.
thank you Lady Farmer for sharing beauty with me this morning :)
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I like your cows! :) and the white looks really nice. :)
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I love your collection of white knick knacks. They look very refreshing, definitely remind me of the scripture that you posted at the end. :)
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在您离开之前与我们分享另一次体验。Got a large cod and chips out of here a couple of times recently. It is absolutely amazing. I don't usually have fish and chips but I always crave it when i drive past this place now.
Excellent quality Fish & Chips cooked to perfection without being greasy. Very good portions and wrapped very well . Pricing is also average but when quality is compared others do not meet the same standard Only 2 x criticisms - parking can be a challenge . There is a small car park for the local Co Op but its a... 更多
Situated in a beautifully quintessential little village. Excellent fish n chips, nice friendly girls and great value especially lunchtime specials! Well worth a trip!
Great food and good portion size. The fish was well cooked and flakey and the batter was crispy. Reasonable prices and friendly staff. Worth a visit
Got a battered sausage, cod and chips. The food smelt great! And I couldn't wait to eat it. Definitely worth the distance as there were closer chip shops!
Unlike Seafare up the road which is a dishonest and overpriced establishment, The Ketch is the complete opposite and a complete gem. You get exactly what you order and pay for, you want large, you get large. The fish is tasty, and it's always popular with the locals when we visit (Always a good sign). Dont' miss out, this is... 更多
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What was magical? Two primary reasons...Pree was here , all four of us (the Zaapies as we call ourselves) were going to meet, and ofcourse..the magical Rahman show..:)
It all started with pree announcing (broadcasting rather..:P) that she'scoming to Pune on the 30th.
After comparing all our (very busy :P) schedules...and since we wanted to spend some quality time with each other, and all four of us wanted to be present, the best day was Sunday, the 31st. All plans were set..we were to go Durga tekdi..and then Ghorawadeshwar..and then Rahman concert.
But as luck would have it, our amzee goes and falls off (sashtang namaskar karne ko..:P) from the local train and injures herself. So now changes in plan..after all of us are up early on a sunday. Plans changed at 8am...instead of going trekking we settle for a lunch and usual restaurant hopping before going for the Rahman concert. We were to meet at 11am at Papa John's Ghole Road.
With all the excitement..about all of us being together after so long..I sleep off...:D Amz forgets to inform pree about the new plans. At 10:45 am, Ash wakes me up..and while Im still hurrying up to be on time...amz calls and realises that she hasnt informed pree.... what confusion...not that we aren't used to it..with amz around..:P
Ash & I reached our destination by 11:40 and we aren't late (we follow AST..i.e. Amz Standard Time..when amz is around..:P), while pree has just left her place. After reaching the venue we play a welcome prank on amz...and then settle down for our usual..chatty chats..:D. We have a pre pree meal..then a post pree meal...:D
We had a lot of fun at Papa Johns...the cheese was yummy...:)
We laughed louder..and became noisier as and when the people around us gave us stares for being noisy..:D
After a lot of noise and confusion and snaps...amz..left to meet her relatives, while the three of us decided to go to Mocha and gorge on chocolate avalanche before leaving for 'The' Rahman concert.
It was pretty well managed, I would say. Lines were well maintained and the entry procedure went off pretty smoothly. Being the "poor" junta we found a soft patch and made ourselves comforatble. The show started by 7:15 and had some pathetic speeches and even more pathetic RJs...acting as hosts... Rahman finally emerged at 7:30 and then on...we were mesmerized for a good three hours.
When Rahman played the piano with Hariharan and Roop Kumar Rathod sang slow melodies like Tu Hi Re...Khamosh Raat...it felt like magic. The moonlight added to the effect.
The best part was the mixing of almost all of Rahman's melodies. It was the best best mix ever. We had a huge dance floor(the lawn and the race tracks..:) Then Rahman played the harmonium while singing Khwaja...which was heavenly! After that came the finale...'Jai Ho'...which ended with a smart mix of Vande mataram...! An awesome show...of talent..! The so humble Rahman even said...while being showered with accolades and blessings..that "Here we are so scared, when we go off tune...we wonder...what to do now..." :)
After that the crowd dispersed and we started running around in the hope of finding public transport. PMT buses had been arranged at that late hour till Corporation. However, buses from there were not available..:) We managed to reach home safely..(felt like an adventure..:P) Pree was at ash's place for the night and came to my place next day in the morning...where we had yummy aamras..:)
An awesome day...it was magical...it was one..that I will never ever forget..:)
For a nice description of the Rahman concert...Pree's blog...


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A familiar scene of rural Bengal. Though, these kids are fishing for a purpose here. In their belief, on the last day of Durga Puja, the last worship should be made with fishes to ensure that Devi Durga returns to her in-laws home safely. Happy Bijoya Dashami!
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Nicou (150928) 2010-10-21 1:07
fantastiqeu compo animée et colroée, ces jeune les pieds dans l'eau, je pense qu'ils s'essaient à la pêcher, sueprbe captage.
Bravo et amitié
jhm (159891) 2010-10-24 3:44
Hello Avishek,
You took a very nice picture with the two boys as real eye catchers .
The colors are nice,details excellent.
Notwithstanding the great distance this is your picture pleasant for look at, also a lot depth and good perspective.
Very well composition, splendid colors, nice presentation too. TFS.
Have a Nice sunday,
maria-v1981 (10932) 2010-10-29 7:04
Hi Avishek,
A beautiful potrait i like very much the position of two boys, very good POV and great colours.
An excellent work,
Have a nice weekend,
vasilpro (41661) 2010-11-23 11:17
Hello Avishek,
Wonderful daily life composition, beautiful scene with the little fishermen, lovely natural colors, excellent light management, very nice POV.
Have a nice evening, Vasilis.
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Raider Troubles at (Location Name) is a Minutemen radiant quest in Fallout 4. This quest can be started randomly when speaking to Preston Garvey or listening to Radio Freedom. If a settlement hasn't been unlocked yet, this quest may be started by speaking to a settler at that location and it will unlock the settlement.
Failure to kill the targeted raider settler in a timely manner will result in the failure of the quest.
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Minutemen radiant quest: Raider Troubles | |||||||||||||
Speak to the leader of the settlement. | |||||||||||||
Travel to the raiders location. | |||||||||||||
Eliminate the raider target. | |||||||||||||
Report your success to the leader of the settlement. | |||||||||||||
Reward: ~100 caps | |||||||||||||
Report your success to Preston Garvey. | |||||||||||||
Reward: 200 XP | |||||||||||||
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Settlements asking for helpEdit
Possible raider locationsEdit
- Andrew station
- Back Street Apparel
- BADTFL regional office
- County Crossing
- Corvega assembly plant
- Dunwich Borers
- Easy City Downs
- Federal ration stockpile
- Hardware Town
- Hyde Park
- Revere Beach station
- Saugus Ironworks
- Shamrock Taphouse
- Thicket Excavations (after Pull the Plug has been completed)
- USAF Satellite Station Olivia
- Walden Pond
Quest stagesEdit
If this quest is given directly by a settler, and you have not yet joined the Minutemen, the player character will not mention the usual Minuteman dialogue, but may instead say "I'd be glad to help, if I can." This can also occur with Clearing the Way, Ghoul Problem and Greenskins.
- Under the Collar in the Nuka-World (add-on) DLC and must collar Bedlam in Dunwich Borers you cannot kill Bedlam for the Minutemen quest. Use SetStage MinRecruit01 200 to skip to reporting your success to Settlers. If you start
- resurrect. This can be fixed on PC by opening the console, selecting the dead raider and inputting
No quest marker will appear on raiders inside Back Street Apparel, quest would not update despite clearing Backstreet Apparel (the usual target raider is situated in the ground level back room with the steamer trunk). Workarounds for finishing this quest are (as with similar Greenskins and Ghoul Problem quests) either killing the quest giving settler or waiting out until the timer runs out, though both ways will fail the quest.[verified]
- Covenant after completing Human Error and leaving the citizens alive, Jacob Orden will be the NPC to speak to, only he won't have any voice acting. After you clear the raiders, you will not be able to turn in the quest, as he will just comment on your completion of Human Error.[verified] Should you have to help
- [verification overdue] The option to say that the targeted location has been previously cleared won't appear, along with the quest marker, preventing the quest completion. Clearing the location anyway won't fix this.
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Sunshine Sunday - my two little miracles
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Cheri, I was thinking about you the other day in relation to this. I am so sorry that it isn't going the way you want, but I am so inspired by your grace and your willingness to share. Thank you. I found your blog looking for craft stuff over a year ago, but yours is one of my favorites overall. You and yours will stay in my thoughts.
ReplyDeleteThough we do not have the same problem as you I have always longed for a little girl. We are on our 3rd and last pregnancy and I am having the 3rd boy. I also am so thankful for the healthy amazing boys I have but my heart aches and my sorrow is great for the little girl I will never have. Hope that my commenting about not getting what I want doesn´t pain you as much as when people tell me that they would trade me, having boys over just having girls. Every time I see a mother and daughter together it stings. I hope you are blessed with a surprise pregnancy that is healthy and comfortable but if you are not I hope you are blessed with peace of mind and heart with the family you have been blessed with just like I hope I one day can come to terms with my broken dream.
ReplyDeleteI know exactly how you feel! We had a hard time getting pregnant with our first, but with some medication and good timing, we finally had our sweet little boy. We didn't know then what a miracle he really was. Trying to have a second wasn't successful for us. After a lot of medication and shots, a surgery, discovering more problems, and many procedures, we realized how blessed to have our son. For whatever reason, the Lord only wants us to have one child right now. I realized that I had thought that if we spent enough money that modern medicine could give me another child. I now know it can only if it is part of the Lord's plan, and for some it is. Just not us. Both my husband and I have had promptings that we need to be happy with our family of three, but also not doing anything that will prevent future children. I don't know if this means we will be blessed with a baby in the future or not. Either way, I have found happiness. Personal revelation is such a blessing. How else would we be led in such important decisions? There is not "one size fits all" answer. Good luck! BTW, I love your blog!!!!
ReplyDeletehang in there cherie! seven years of trying, losing three foster to adopt babies and we are officially pregnant with twins because of God's grace and mercy on our hearts & lives! i know it's easier said than done, but you have a great perspective focusing on what He IS doing by blessing your days with your two little men each day and that will continue to bring peace to your days. And before you know it....your dreams will unfold before you and all will fit together perfectly for His glory. I will keep you in our prayers ... thanks for sharing your gifts & talents with the blogging world...you are loved! ><>
ReplyDeleteMy heart goes out to you. We tried for seven years to conceive Owen after Kam. I trusted Heavenly Fathers plan and his timing has been perfect for us. Owen came to rock our world when he knew we would be ready. We have been trying for number 3 for a while..but keep on trusting his timing. So grateful for the miracles we have..it's a great way to look at it!
ReplyDeleteWe have been blessed recently with our third little one, but she's had some medical issues that's had her in and out of the hospital a couple times these first few months of her life. I've been thinking a lot about a particular quote that I love and it popped into my head when I read your post. It says, "Life is like a grindstone; whether it grinds you down or polishes you up depends on what you're made of." Looks like you're getting a good polish. You and your family will be in my prayers.
ReplyDeleteAs somebody that's been there, I feel for you. We were blessed with a son, 4 years ago, with minimal trying on our part. When we went to try for a second child, a year later, we were not so lucky. We tried for 2 years, then turned to fertility treatments. With the help of Clomid and IUI, a lot of faith and prayer, we were blessed with our daughter.
There were times I was so bitter, and pleaded with the Lord, to bless me with another child. But it wasn't until I had completely surrendered myself, to His timeline, that things started falling into place.
Through all of this, I realized I needed to stop worrying about the next child, and give my whole heart to my son. I was so blessed already.
I'm glad you see the blessings you already have. Heavenly Father knows all of us, and he knows what we need. It may not make sense now, and it may suck, but there's a reason for everything.
Something a friend told me {who had also dealt with infertility}, just because something isn't happening in our time frame, doesn't mean it's not happening in your child's.Infertility is the worse pain. Each month is a downer.
I totally understand we tried for a full 3 years before I found out I was allergic to Gluten which was causing Endometriosis and infertility. Then we were blessed with a pregnancy then had it end in a miscarriage but blessed just 4 weeks later with another pregnancy which became our little guy.
Keep your chin up and do what you are doing looking at the positive. It will all work out in the end. Sometimes the road is a little rougher.Cheri, I have been reading your blog for about a year now, and I have to say that I really love it. I also adore your boys and I am really hoping that another miracle will come to you soon. Some things are just soo worth waiting for. We had to wait for about 2 years for our son and he is the best thing that could have ever happened to us. Just keep believing that everything will work out. My grandma always says that everything happens for a reason. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
ReplyDeleteYou are very blessed to have two adorable boys. I met the man of my dreams later in life & we are unable to have children. God's understanding is far greater than ours. Keep praying & trust in the Lord with all your heart. I pray that He has a wonderful surprise for you when He knows the time is best. Give those boys an extra squeeze today!
ReplyDeleteI read your blog every day, it's the only one that I make sure I catch up on at the end of the day and this really made me stop in my tracks. I have 2 boys and share your appreciation for the miracles we have made! Wishing you love for the next chapter and a precious miracle at the end xx
ReplyDeleteI also love reading your blog. I found out about it from one of my former students, who is a neighbor of yours. So far my husband and I have one little boy who was on backorder for a few years :). I hope that in the future, pregnancy will come more quickly, but even if not, I am so grateful to have him in my life. In other words, I hear you. Thanks for your honesty-- one of the many reasons I love reading and keep coming back.
ReplyDeleteI have been where you are at and it's a pain that is unlike anything else. Tears your insides out. I am so sorry for you. It took us 5 years to get our sweet baby girl here. I can say that after you get through it, it all makes sense and seems like ok someone else was in charge and it worked out better. But going through it is HARD. It helps to talk to others who have had this particular journey. Sometimes those who don't understandwill say things like it will happen when the time is right. But those that have been there understand the ache.
ReplyDeleteHi Cheri! I read your blog everyday, and truly enjoy it. I never comment, but today I felt the tug on my heartstrings. I am praying for your family, and wholeheartedly believe that God will provide a new little baby, and the praise will be all HIS. HIS timing is always perfect! When we were trying for our last baby, I wasn't sure it was going to happen. I know the strain this must be taking on you and your husband, just keep faith. Nothing is beyond God!
I also felt pulled to respond to another one of your readers' comments from a woman who is having her 3rd boy. I can relate. I have 4 boys, and still feel a longing for that little girl. But when I start feeling down, I just look at the blessings surrounding me. GOD has given me 4 boys that are so completely different, stretch me in directions I wasn't even sure I could go, and truly challenge me daily. At the end of the day, I wouldn't change one thing.
I am praying for you and your family. Thank you for sharing your heart! God bless you!I sat here for about 10 minutes just staring at the screen trying to come up with the exact right words to give you comfort and hope. Searching for the words that I needed to hear when my husband and I were desperately trying for a pregnancy that would last, and I just can't seem to find them. So all I have to tell you Cheri is that I'm keeping you and your husband in my prayers. The disappointment every month doesn't get easier, but it will strengthen your relationship with your husband and God if you let it.
Blessings!Our sweet 2 year old was an IVF miracle, so imagine my surprise when I discovered I'm expecting another rowdy fella in September. We found out right before we were to take a required parenting class to adopt from China (hadn't yet filled out paperwork, but were going to within the month). God's plans are BIG and CRAZY (to us!) and all HIS, but they are for His glory and in His time. I pray that He will allow us to adopt later on, but I am so grateful for my part in His story. Praying for God to grow your family and continue to bless you through the process!
Keep ROARING, cause we love it!
AllisonThat is a pain, I too have felt. I'm so sorry that you have to experience it. One of my favorite quotes is from Joseph F. Smith, "Everywhere is nature we are taught the lessons of patience and waiting. We want things a long time before we get then, and the fact that we want them a long time makes them all the more precious when they come." Your comments about your sweet boys made me think of that quote, you already know to appreciate the precious things in your life. That is the best way I've found to ease the sharp pain you are feeling now. But I know through experience that miracles happen and things turn out just they way they are supposed to. Praying for you and wishing you comfort.
ReplyDeleteHi Cheri! I was looking up coloring pages for my sunday school class this morning on being thankful to God, and I came across this picture with the star stickers in Google images. It was so funny and cute to see his little face in the middle of all those coloring sheets! I just had to comment and tell you. :o)
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