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Departing from: Port Canaveral (Orlando), Florida
Ports of Call:
- Nassau, Bahamas
- Cococay (Cruiseline Private Island)
Bars, Clubs & Lounges
Lounges & Bars
Scenic/360 Degree Views
Viking Crown Lounge
Pool Bar
The Pool Bar (2)
Music & Dancing
Piano Bar
Schooner Bar
Latin Music
Night Club
The Circuit Lounge
Teen Spots
Dance Club
Fuel Teen Disco
The Living Room
Casino & Gambling
- Casino Royale: Deck 5
- 212 Slot Machines: Game King Video Poker, Mob Money, and more
- 12 Gaming Tables: Blackjack, Roulette, Caribbean Stud Poker, Craps, Let it Ride, 3 Card Poker
- Tournaments: Check onboard for schedules in daily cruise compass or check with the casino cashier
- Onboard card and casino lessons
- Currencies accepted: Cash, Credit to your SeaPass Account, Traveler's Checks, and Credit Cards
- Guests 18 years of age and older are welcome to play. Some Alaska ports require a minimum age of 21.
- Cigar or pipe smoking is not permitted in the casino. For the comfort of the guests, there are "No Smoking" tables and "No Smoking" slot machine areas.
- Day Spa
- A wide variety of spa treatments from traditional to exotic
- Light, aroma, sound and vibration therapy, Chakra Balancing capsule to manicures, pedicures, massages, Hair and Scalp treatments
- Generation YSPA: Spa treatments for guest ages 13 to 17
- Hair Salon
- Additional charge for Spa treatments and salon services
Sports & Fitness
- Fitness Center
- State of the Art equipment including: weight machines, free weights, stationary bikes, stair steppers, and treadmills
- Exercise Classes: Pilates, Yoga, Kickboxing, Aerobics, Circuit Training, and Resistance Training
- Sauna, whirlpool, steam room, and thermal suites
- Personal Trainers
- Jogging Track
- Nintendo Wii Fit
- Rock Climbing Wall
- Eleven different routes to choose from to challenge all levels of climber
- Sports Deck: outdoor activity court used for basketball
- All Ages: Main Pool
- Whirlpools: (2)
- Children's Pool
- Boutiques of Centrum: Duty Free Shopping Onboard open 24 hours
- Photo Gallery & Shop
- Fashion Accessory Shop
- Perfume Shop
- Logo Souvenirs
- Gift Shop
- Fine Jewelry Shop
- General Store
- The Sound of Music Lounge
- Musicals
- Las Vegas inspired shows
- Fashion Shows
- Game Shows
- Guest Talent Shows
- Comedy Acts
Parties and Theme Nights
- Captain's Welcome Party
- Toga Party
- 50's and 60's Night
- Honeymooner's Party
- Singles Party
- Masquerade Ball
- Pirate Theme Night
- Mix and Mingle Night for kids
- Teen Party with Mocktails
- Themed parties and events are based on ship and itinerary
- Events and parties are held on special occasions
Music & Dance
- Live Bands and DJs
- Karaoke Nights
- Dance Instructions: Cha-Cha, Two-Step, Tango, and Foxtrot
Contests & Tournaments
- Contests & Games : Scavenger hunts, juggling lessons, backgammon, chess, Board/Card games, Karaoke, Game Shows, Pool Games
- Ping-pong, floating golf green, billiards, shuffleboard, ring toss, Basketball, Volleyball, Golf Tournaments
- Trivia: Football, Teen Football
- Liberty Code: A unique night at Portofino's specialty restaurant turns patrons into a slew of sleuths as you try to solve a mystery. Collect clues throughout the ship, and then meet fellow detectives to piece the puzzle together and greet the characters, all over a special menu dinner.
- Nintendo Wii Tournaments
Other Features
- Library
- Entertainment Complex
- Game Arcade: Videogames for kids and adults
- Art Gallery
- Photo Gallery
- Royal Caribbean Online
- The All Access Tour: Additional cost NEW!
- Wine Tasting and Pairing Classes
- Cooking Demonstrations
- Ice Carving Lessons
- Jewelry Seminars
- Juggling Lessons
- Rock Climbing Lessons
- Casino and Card lessons
- Dance Lessons
Whether you're onboard or onshore, family time is bound to be a fantastic time! Games, events and activities are going on all over the ship throughout the day and into the evening hours. Here's a list of activities you can enjoy as a family.
- Theater & Shows
- Sports Deck
- 'Build & Grow' with Lowe's workshops
- SeaTrek Scuba Diving
- Rock Wall
- Generation YSPA
- Explorer Academy
- Onboard Parties
- Game Shows and Trivia Contests
- Family Discos
- Theme Nights
- Bingo
- Johnny Rockets
- Ben & Jerry's
- Shore & Land Excursions
Babies & Tots
Royal Babies Ages 6 - 18 MonthsSet aside some special family time onboard and join in the fun of Royal Babies interactive classes held in one of the onboard lounges. These enriching activities have been developed by early childhood experts at Fisher-Price and are hosted by trained youth staff. A parent or caregiver MUST accompany children 6 to 36 months of age during all activity sessions.
- Fisher-Price Toy Lending Program - Borrow toys from an onboard treasure chest of Fisher-Price toys during your cruise.
- Stroller Mates Workout - Morning sessions on the jogging track, dedicated to guests with infants in strollers.
- Musical Inspiration - Explore musical instruments, rhythm, movement and creativity through game play, songs, instruments, and musical activities and toys.
- Baby Gymnastics - Encourage your baby to get active with the help of Fisher-Price Go-Baby-Go! toys, activities and games.
- Come To My House - Reinforce early learning of simple concepts - like the alphabet, numbers, shapes, and colors - with hands-on exploration of familiar things from everyday life, things you'll find in your home, brought down to baby's size.
- Cookin' Up Fun - Enjoy playing and learning with food-related toys and activities.
- I Love Animals - Little ones will enjoy meeting a menagerie of adorable animal friends that encourage movement and celebration.
- How Does That Work? - This playgroup session is full of ways to examine, discover, build and wonder.
Royal Tots Ages 18 to 36 monthsJoin your child in the fun of Royal Tots, interactive playgroup sessions developed by early childhood experts at Fisher-Price��. Each 45-minute session, held in one of the onboard lounges, offers activities that expose children to new experiences and teach you how to make playtime learning time as well. Plus, your little one will be all smiles and giggles as they make new discoveries, sing, sway and play with great toys they're sure to love. A parent or caregiver MUST accompany children during all playgroup sessions.
- Fisher-Price Toy Lending Program - Borrow toys from an onboard treasure chest of Fisher-Price toys during your cruise.
- Crayola Beginnings Workshop - An Adventure Ocean counselor reads a story to parents and children, and uses Crayola Beginnings products to teach toddlers how to create their first works of art.
- Fun On The Farm - Join Little People�� friends to explore connections between farm animals, the sounds they make and the ways they move.
- Terrific Trips - Here you are, on a family vacation - what better time to share ideas with your child about places to see, things to do, and different trips to take, both near and far from home.
- Out & About In The Neighborhood - Discover people and places in your neighborhood, learning about familiar places, community helpers and transportation while role-playing with Little People friends.
- Pirates and Princesses - We'll take you on imaginative journeys to ancient times and faraway lands, enjoying pretend play with castles, pirates, stories and activities.
- Learning FUNdamentals - We'll get your kids moving and singing as they learn A-B-Cs, 1-2-3s, phonics, shapes, colors, and more, with the help of learning toys, music, games, and lots of other fun activities.
Adventure Ocean
Aquanauts Ages 3 - 5 yearsYour Aquanauts' time onboard will not only be fun, it will be educational too! They'll get to learn about local customs, do cool science experiments and make great new friends. To participate, children must be fully potty-trained and 3 years of age as of the first day of the cruise. (No pull-ups or diapers, please.) You can rest assured your little ones are in good hands - every member of our Adventure Ocean�� staff holds a college degree in education, recreation or a related field and has experience working with children ages 3-17.
- Adventure Science by High Touch High Tech - This program combines fun and hands-on science experiments.
- Adventure Art by Crayola - These activities acquaint kids with diverse culture through art. Children are introduced to mask making, fish kites and pottery.
- Sail Into Storytime - These theme-related storytime sessions bring each story to life with activities, discussions on each story and hands-on activities for the children to participate in following each reading.
- Fisher-Price Programming - Details coming soon!
- Other Games and Theme Activities - Nutty Nicknames, Un-Birthday Party, Camp Aquanauts, Ice-Cream Party, Super Hero Afternoon, Face Painting, Pirate Night, Talent Show, Under The Sea Night and Pajama Rama Movie Night.
Explorers Ages 6 - 8 YearsAll kinds of exciting activities await your 6- to 8-year-olds, like hands-on science experiments, scavenger hunts, theater games, and more.
- Adventure Science by High Touch High Tech - This program combines fun and hands-on science experiments.
- Adventure Art by Crayola - These activities acquaint kids with diverse culture through art. Children are introduced to mask making, fish kites and pottery.
- Adventure Theater by Camp Broadway - Participants get a first taste of the actor's craft, in which entire worlds are created with just their bodies, voices and imaginations. Using structured theater games, vocal and physical exercises, and creativity-freeing activities, instructors guide groups through an exploration of the theater arts.
Voyagers Ages 9 - 11 YearsOur Voyagers program is all about kids having a great time, learning new things and making new friends from all over the world.
- Adventure Science by High Touch High Tech -This program combines fun and hands-on science experiments.
- Adventure Art by Crayola - These activities acquaint kids with diverse culture through art. Children are introduced to mask making, fish kites and pottery.
- Adventure Theater by Camp Broadway - See Explorers
- Other Voyager games and Activities - The X Games, Rockin' Through the Decades, Reggae Beach Party, Scavenger Hunts, List-O-Rama, Backstage Tour, The Art Walk, Win, Cruise or Draw, Talent Show and Sports Tournaments.
Teens Ages 12 - 14The best thing about the Teen program is that it's not structured. Royal Caribbean's 12- to 14-year-old guests can come join activities and games when they want to, or just chill with friends in our teen-only lounge.
- Theme Nights - Dress in your coolest whites at "Dusk" and get your graffiti on at our "Warehouse" theme night.
- Improv Games - Quick. How many one-liners do you know? Test your wittiness with some improvisation.
- Scratch DJ Academy - Scratch, mix and spin with the masters so you can go home and impress your friends. (Available on select ships.)
- Mocktail Competition - Blend up a batch of your favorite beverages and enter your concoction in our contest.
- Dodgeball - Oh, it is so on! Do you have what it takes to be the last one standing?
- Open Mic and Talent Show - Divas and Divos, the stage is yours at the coolest talent contest on water!
- Teen BBQ - Round up your appetite for a yummy BBQ - just for teens!
- Dive-In Movie and Pool Party - Watch your fave flick while playing in the pool. Life is good onboard!
- Meet the Stars Backstage - Get a special behind-the-scenes look with a teens-only tour.
- LOL & LOLA at the DDR! (That's Dance Dance Revolution - just in case.)
- Teen Casino - There's a jackpot with your name on it, so get ready to roll the dice!
- Unplugged Jam Sessions - The unsung guitar guru in the group has a place to shine - as loudly as they want!
- Snowball Fight in the Caribbean - You know what's really cool? A snowball fight at sea! BYOM (bring your own mittens)!
- Climbing Competition - Whoever makes it to the top first wins! Are you up for the challenge of our rock wall?
Teens Ages 15 - 17 YearsThe Teen program isn't some structured set of classes or rules. We know you're almost an adult, and it's your vacation, too. So we give you the freedom you deserve. You can join events all day, or come and go as you want. We've got great laid-back hangouts where you can just chill with your new friends. Some of our ships also have teen-only clubs where you can dance, listen to music or just hang out.
- Theme Nights -Theme NightsShow up in your whitest whites at "Dusk" and paint the town red... and purple... and green at our "Warehouse" theme night.
- Battle of the Sexes - Hmmm, the girls or the boys? Who's going to 'bring it' to the ultimate standoff?
- Scratch DJ Academy - Mix with the masters and get schooled in the art of spinning records. (Available on select ships.)
- Dodgeball
- Teen Casino - Start perfecting your game face now! There's Blackjack, No-Limit Poker, and more.
- Open Mic Night - Are you a closet comedian? The next 'dream girl'? Flaunt it in front of all your friends.
- Dive-In Movie and Pool Party - Watch your fave flick while playing in the pool. Life is good onboard!
- Sneek Peek BackstageGet a special behind-the-scenes look with a teens-only tour.
- Unplugged Jam Sessions - The unsung guitar guru in the group has a place to shine - as loudly as they want!
- Climbing Competition - Whoever makes it to the top first wins! Are you up for the challenge of our rock wall?
- Karaoke
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|Been a hot rodder since I was a kid. Never built a stock model always modified it as a hotrod or custom. hotrodding is an attitude but also a feeling you get when admiring your handywork or someone elses.
|Dan C. Chaidez
Hey guys, thank you to all the comments to my initial posting (Landshark928) "According to my knowledge" As I said, a Hot Rod was a junker which was pulled out of the pile based on an specific appreciated potential quality either the low price, nice body, sound structure, a good motor and tranny, 2 for the price of one, etc. But we were making these (None compliance = hot rods) not complying in any way to safety standards, engineered structures, tolerances or gauged limits or capacities. Those could look very uniquely odd but would have tons of power or the other-way-around. Great looks and suave ride just for easy cruising... Those were HOT RODS indeed! FLIPPED COINS, CAR CATCHERS. main characteristic was:Amazing creativity and significant results despite the lack of money and true mechanical knowledge education!
Off course, now days I pull a wad of money and build one out of the shelf with create engines supt up to the max, order a frame, corvette or viper transmission custom RR axle-gear-ratio (all engineered by a computerized wizard) Where is the HOT= risky iron-ROD in IT? That is a super-nice Custom made by a well to do narcissist ... Those cars were painted with hand pumped Flit Spraying pumps and the enamel from the local hardware store! The welding? ...It did look like a burnt breaded fried chicken! or a Turkey comb. There was no BONDO available. You either were good at welding and lead or you will try to hide it with some home made putty and paint if you could not grind the hell out of it...
For what ever is worth to you guys. In the best of spirits with best regards, Dan C.
|I think you actually have to get your hands dirty building or modifying a vehicle to be a hot-rodder. It could be yours or someone else's. A old guy with a traditional rod or a kid trying to make a ratty go cart faster. Doesn't matter. If you have only an appreciation for modified cars, you are a 'car guy' and that's good enough for me. Come and hang out, learn, and do car stuff. Oh, don't forget to teach me something also.
|Mikes Rocket 88
|I like to think it's the passion of old iron that separates a person in the car world...you always get the purists who piss and moan about rat rods or chunk buckets...you get the 60's guys who scream about a mid seventies car not being a muscle car and then there are the 2 door guys verses 4 door guys....they are all hot rodders IMHO ... and if you bought a car or had one built and take it out to a cruise or race and flog the liven crap out of it and then have it repaired and try to fix it yourself...then your good in my book...if you bought it as a sound investment as the value increases and sell before ever driving the car and can't remember what auction you got it from?...then you are not a hot rodder and should collect something other than cars that I want to buy and flog the liven hell out of
I would consider my self a Hot Rodder even though my car is not typical. (If there is such a thing.)
I suffer form HP envy and always want to go faster. I do all my own work and fabrication, learning as I go. I enjoy tinkering as much as driving. I use my "Hotrod" as a jack of all trades. 1/4 mile, Road race, AutoX, Street cruising and now Drifting.
Is it a little German? A little 'Merican? A little Rice? Yes to all, but it and I are hotrodders to the core. With exhaust cut outs open at the Dairy Queen cruise in, we fit in just fine...
Let's see....
I think I might be a hotrodder...
Haven't got a chance to read every page but before I could drive my dad always took me to the drags and I watched him and "helped" him work on everything from c60s to Rivieras. I love every second of it, but I don't think I was a "real hotrodder" until my 15 year old self flipped the air cleaner lid on my 84 caprice for the first time and heard the secondaries open on that 140hp beast
Much like Brian says, I think the qualifier is the love and passion. If you go to the Scottsdale Pavilions, you'll see guys there that are "real hotrodders" that have a Ford Ranger, and guys there that aren't that are in a Tri-5 or Bucket. It's the passion that sets them apart.
|The Bat
correct answers,not really
Are there really any correct answers but for just the guy that asked? And there only correct answers to him anyway. For me,I like any one that also likes cars,ture some more then others,but if they like cars there is some talking ground. I do build from scrach my own cars on very low $,but can indeed see some one who has $, love cars so much he buys them to his liking. I don't care for the new rat rod thing,I'm 70 and was building rods in the mid 50's,so having been a hotrodder for a very long time now,it is sad and sorry to see a young guy say it's "tad" to be rat,but same goes for flat paint as a finish=not tad ether guys,that was primer and was on its way to get a shiny nice paint job/an most good rod got shiny<but you like to copy the lazy bum that never did get his car to the shiny fine,don't call it a finish.
Hot Rodders
Would you put Billy Gibons of ZZ Top and Eric Clapton on the snob list They have had many big buck hot rods built ? Big buck builder create our dreams in magazine & TV shows.
Bib buck Hot Rodder add another edge to our great hobby.........
Ya gotta drive 'em
Hot Rodder ??
1957, opened my Hot Rod shop on Capitol Hill here in Washington DC at 16. Mergered with the Nationally known The Hot Rod Garage in 2000.
Nothing has changed in the Hot Rod World since I got "grease in my blood".
I enjoy all types of "Hot Rodders".
Keep kroozen, Jim , 410 535 1933
|Dan C. Chaidez
What is a Hotrodder?
According to my knowledge I was 9 years old when helping two of my teenage brothers build a 1930 Chrysler, 46 Ford, 49 Ford etc. these cars came as a result of lack of financial means for buying a new car. so you would have to make with what ever you could get around you at your level of economics, creativity, inventiveness and on the spot skills development...
early 50's. The Mexican Kids from California are the originators and pioneers of Hot Rods. They had no credit, Had no means and needed to create some sort of high school transportation which needed to have a distinctiveness or superiority than the newer cars of the rich kids with recent model-cars... So they will build this " Hot Rods" No real mechanical knowledge but a lot of willingness to mix engine parts to make a none running car into a unique machine in some cases they made a lot of extraordinary performance just like the donkey which played a flute and every one thought the donkey was a prodigy! Soon these kids started to race against the newer cars and betting, and to compete and so-on and so-forth.
Real mechanics started to come to those competitions and started to tinker with these old "Car-catchers" "Carcachas" (The Chicano Term) because seldom, a well-to-do kid would never suspect that an old parts missing-(Fenders, hood, etc)-car could out run their T bird, Corvette, etc. Besides the mechanics started to make money as the kid returned for more power and so on..
I hope you find this interesting,
Dan C. Chaidez
LOL, sounds like you really have some first hand knowledge on those particular subjects. LOL
|I learned a few things that hotrodders are NOT, during my time of about 5 years editing and distributing the monthly newsletter of a local car club. Hotrodders are NOT people who own their car as one of many toys of all types designed to show their financial success (even though they are probably really showing their high debt ceiling); hotrodders are NOT people who get P.O.'d if you don't include their cooking recipe in the newsletter; hotrodders are NOT those who are obsessed about some facet of old cars, such as the hood ornaments, without bothering about the old cars themselves. And assuredly, hotrodders are NOT those who whine about the space taken up in the newsletter by the monthly tech article.
Because someone builds a car doesn't even mean it's in his blood! I have seen many cars built by guys who really didn't care much about it, it was something they were trying to prove or some crap like that. One guy pops into my head right now, he is a pro painter and he has built from the frame up a 40's pickup that is VERY rough, there was no passion what so ever in it. He didn't learn anything about these trucks, what is the difference year to year, he didn't put ANY passion into it.
He recently decided to sell the truck because it isn't big enough for his family and bought a very nice mid sixties Rambler American. It needed paint and had a little rust in the quarter. He pulled off SOME of the mouldings, welded in a panel where the rust was and painted the thing, in a few days! In just a few days he had it painted, right over the dents! It is COVERED in small door dings and he painted right over them! This is a guy with ZERO passion, he could build fifty cars and he wouldn't be a "hot rodder" to me.
Then you have the surgeon who fixed my son's leg when he broke his femur last year. He LIT UP when he saw my Street Rodder magazine I was reading in my sons room at the hospital. He LIT UP and started telling me about his truck that be built in med school, polishing the stainless steel in the dental dept! LOLOL, That was the only car he had ever built, that was it, and he was MUCH more of a "Hot rodder" than MANY people who have built many cars, he had true passion thru his veins and you could see that he followed the medical field because of some outward push like from parents. Which made it so clear to me how when he showed me the xrays and explained the procedure he was going to do on my son how it sounded so "mechanical" to me. He talked to me in my language! This guy would have been a HELL of a fabricator if that was the direction he would have went. He was a Hot Rodder thru and thru.
It is a heck of a lot more about what is inside a person than what he has built.
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The Australis retains a significant place in Australian immigration history as the last ship to carry government assisted immigrants to Australian shores in 1977. She had the largest passenger capacity of any post World War II immigrant ship to regularly visit Australia and many passengers fondly remember her grandeur and remnants of Art Deco style.
The Australis after arriving at Port Melbourne on Australia's last assisted migrant voyage, December 1977. Source: Department of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs.
Dimensions: 723 x 93 ft (220.4 x 28.4 m)Registered Tonnage: 34,449 tons grossService Speed: 22 knotsPropulsion: Reduction geared steam turbines / twin screwsShipping Line: Chandris Line
Originally named America, the immigrant ship Australis was designed by William Francis Gibbs and built for the North Atlantic trade – to travel between Europe and the United States. When launched on 31 August 1939 (by Mrs Eleanor Roosevelt), she was the largest passenger vessel to have ever been constructed in the United States and provided luxury accommodation for 1202 passengers in three classes.
In the midst of World War II, she was taken over by the US Navy and converted to an American troop ship capable of carrying 8175 soldiers. Realising the impact on public sentiment should America be sunk, the American government quickly renamed the ship the USS West Point. During the war, she visited ports in Europe, Africa and South America and was frequently attacked by Japanese forces.
After 12 years on the North Atlantic trade following the war, she was sold to the Chandris Line in 1965 and christened Australis, being converted to a fully air conditioned single class ship for the Australian migrant trade. A large portion of her original interior styling was maintained, and she remained adorned with many murals and Art Deco floor coverings during her immigration years.
The Australis left Piraeus, Greece, for her first immigrant voyage to Australia on 21 August 1965, reaching Fremantle on 6 September and Melbourne on 13 September. She made a total of 62 voyages to Australia between 1965 and 1977, travelling regularly between Britain and Australia via the Suez Canal, stopping at ports such as Aden, Port Said and Colombo. In 1967, when the Suez was closed, she detoured around South Africa stopping at Cape Town and Durban. In 1970, while travelling between New Zealand and Suva, a fire broke out in the galley causing substantial damage, not only to the galley, but also to the ballroom and 40 cabins.
In the later years of the immigration boom, Australia saw many younger, single immigrants arriving with high expectations and a sense of adventure. At this time, the journey by ship was like a holiday for some passengers.
Gisela Pfab migrated from Germany in 1970:
'I was single and it turned out I had a lot of company on the boat. Soon we partied every night and didn't get to bed until in the early morning. As a result we missed our English classes most of the time.'
For others, the journey on the Australis was a pathway to freedom from political upheaval in their home country and the beginning of a new life.
Rosemarie Draper migrated from Britain in 1976, but is originally from Burma:
'Mum retained her dream to live in Australia and kept it alive for 12 years. In November 1976, we farewelled our family and friends and headed to Southampton to get aboard the Australis and begin the new phase of our lives.'
After her final voyage to Australia on 18 November 1977, the Australis was sold to Venture Cruise Lines and again named America. After a number of unsuccessful cruises, she was sold back to the Chandris Line, with plans to cruise the Mediterranean. At this time she was christened Italis, but after only three voyages, she was laid up. After a long period of idleness, she was taken under Panamanian ownership and named Alferdoss, but in 1988 had to be run aground near Piraeus to stop her sinking.
The Australis at Station Pier, Port Melbourne. Source: Public Records Office, Victoria.
Baty, S. 1984. Ships That Passed – The Glorious Era of Travel to Australia and New Zealand. Reed Books Pty Ltd. Frenchs Forest.
Plowman, P. 1992. Emigrant Ships to Luxury Liners. New South Wales University Press. Kensington.
Stodden, K. 2003 (October). Appendix A – Tally of Voyages. Prepared for the Ship Reunion Lecture. Immigration Museum, Melbourne.
Hi Harry, Picture Australia is a great place to look for images, you can search many of Australia's largest institutions in one place here http://www.pictureaustralia.org/
Hi Christine, thank you for sharing your memories of the Australis and your trip to Australia. From the research we have done here, the number of ports visited on each voyage of the Australis was subject to change, although the vessel usually went from Southampton to Bremerhaven and Rotterdam, then Naples and Piraeus, Port Said, Aden and Colombo then stopping at Fremantle, Melbourne, and onto Sydney in about 28 days. From Sydney it would then return to Britain. With the closure of the Suez Canal in 1967 until 1975, the route was diverted around South Africa, with calls perhaps at Gibraltar or Las Palmas in the Canary Islands, then Cape Town and Durban, across to Fremantle and then onto Melbourne and Sydney.
Hi Cohn, The National Archives of Australia has 3 trips listed for the Australis in 1969, March, July and December. There was also an arrival in late 1968, and another in early 1970.
Hi Darren,
You could try searching the National Library of Australia's online resources; Trove (newspapers, etc) or Picture Australia (images). You may also wish to contact The Age directly.
Hi Bob,
The National Archive of Australia holds shipping records, you might like to try a search there! I wonder, looking through their records, if this series of photos (dep. 16 October 1965) might relate to the voyage you describe?
The National Archives of Australia is the central repository for all migration records including passenger lists. Please use the link provided to make contact with them.
Hi Len
We have found the passenger list for you in the National Archives of Australia. The file is 47 pages long and you'll have to scan through it to find your name.
The list is in alphabetical order by surname for each of the passengers' ports of disembarkation, either Fremantle, Melbourne or Sydney.
Good luck finding your name on the list and please be in touch if you'd like any further assistance.
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Thursday, March 8, 2012
Clarification on Ice Packs and Empty Bottles
81 comments:
- Anonymous said...
I certainly appreciate the change of tone in this blog post (it seems that these screeners weren't the only employees to get some retraining this week). However, two serious problems remain: 1) It has been frequently reported that TSA staff do not care whether or not something has been clearly stated on the website when they are imposing their own understanding of the rules; 2) It has been frequently reported that polite requests to speak to supervisors are treated as defiant behavior. The result for the passenger is a needlessly tense situation at best.
- March 9, 2012 at 12:18 AM
- Anonymous said...
Ask for a supervisor? Why so I can be singled out for even more harsh and pointless treatment like the other time I asked for a supervisor when both TSA regulations and my rights were being violated? No thanks. I'll be taking the train. You haven't totally ruined it with your security theater yet. Also, why are you telling journalists not to write about your expensive, flawed, and pointless scanners having a HUGE flaw?
- March 9, 2012 at 12:26 AM
- Kat said...
Do the TSOs on the line understand that empty bottles and cold packs, including, apparently blue ice, are now permitted through the check point?
Do the TSOs on the line understand that liquids over 3.4 ounces (100 milliliters), NOT the three ounces your website proclaims, are permitted through the check point if there is a medical requirement for them?
Do the supervisors know this?
What recourse does a passenger have when an ignorant TSO and his or her equally ignorant supervisor refuse to follow the stated procedures?
If an "improperly trained" TSO steals my food and my beverages, I am medically unable to "just buy some more in the sterile area."
Read my lips. The stuff they sell in the sterile area can make me stop breathing. I happen to like breathing.
So when that "improperly trained" TSO claims what's on the website is "out of date," and demands I throw out medically required food and drink, how do I get to fly today?
- March 9, 2012 at 12:28 AM
- Lordstrom said...
What corrective actions were taken? Shouldn't the agent be arrested?
- March 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM
- Russell said...
Hi Bob,
You wrote; "Leadership at that airport has since spoken to the passenger and apologized." But airport leadership didn't make this mistake; the TSA did.
It seems that this post serves to deflect the blame rather than accept it. It's not until much later in the post that the TSA sort of apologizes for its actions. And the admission is so vague, I couldn't see it.
It does the TSA no good when they can't admit a mistake at face value. Just say, "we screwed up and we'll try really hard not to do it again." That would at least give us some measure of faith that there are actual humans with faults running the program.
It would serve the TSA well to apologize when their officers make mistakes rather than try and hide behind cleverly worded sentences.
- March 9, 2012 at 1:00 AM
- Clay S. said...
It is of huge importance that both, passengers and officers know and act in harmony with the rules. The rules are what protect us, and obeying the rules differs the ordinary passengers from bad guys. From the passengers side, it is not necessary to know the entire set of rules by heart, but only the part that relates specifically to our own situation (empty bottles for breast milk) - and that is what everyone can do - for our own security and safety.
- March 9, 2012 at 5:00 AM
- Anonymous said...
Sure, ask for a manager or supervisor and before you know it you will have airport police by your side, you will be arrested for "Disturbing the peace" or "disregarding a federal agent" or some crap. Come on Bob...are you serious!?!?!
- March 9, 2012 at 5:17 AM
- Anonymous said...
This would be all fine and dandy if we passengers were told that it doesn't matter what the website says or that the website is out of date.
Frankly, I'm more surprised it took you this many days to address this particularly egregious violation of a passenger's dignity and of your own rules, but you jumped within hours with that horrible post about Jon Corbett's video. Amazing. Just absolutely amazing that our tax dollars are used for your salary and this kind of "communication".
Screenshot - there are no offensive words in this post nor does it violate the comment policy.
- March 9, 2012 at 5:50 AM
- Anonymous said...
The confusing part here is much more primary: There is absolutely no justification why the TSA is so concerned specifically with the liquid state of matter.
Furthermore, ice packs are frozen solid, and therefore should always be permitted (as indicated by the Britney incident).
- March 9, 2012 at 6:30 AM
- Anonymous said...
You forgot the part where the officer then forced the passenger to pump her milk or leave the kit behind.
"There was a TSA agent in there using the restroom and I asked her if there was a private place to pump, and she said no," Strand said. "I had to stand at the sink in my heels and dress pumping as travelers came and went. I was humiliated and fighting back tears. It confuses me why an ice pack and breast pump were a threat to national security."
What if, hypothetically, she had shown the TSO your updated language on the website right there at the airport? Do you honestly think the TSO would have said 'oh, gee, I was wrong, please go through'? No. and they wont in the future.
Cargo goes on planes unchecked, airport personel go to work un-scanned and you're stopping mothers with *empty* bottles. Security theater at its finest.
- March 9, 2012 at 6:38 AM
- RB said...
If anything you wrote in this blog piece is true why did TSA Administrator John Pistole blame the passenger during his comments at the National Press Club?
- March 9, 2012 at 7:07 AM
- Anonymous said...
By "those involved are going to undergo retraining and corrective actions." I assume you mean the incompetent employee responsible for humiliating this poor woman will ultimately suffer no consequences other than receiving a couple of days off from their normal duty to be "re-trained".
Why are we to believe this training will be any more effective than that which they had already received?
- March 9, 2012 at 7:12 AM
- Sandra said...
Deflection is alive and well at the TSA Blog!
- March 9, 2012 at 7:20 AM
- Anonymous said...
What about diabetics and their ice packs? I recall a diabetic woman wasn't able to bring her ice pack through security a few months ago. I believe you said she didn't have insulin with her, but as a diabetic myself, I find it hard to believe that she wouldn't have had insulin with her. We can't live without it.
- March 9, 2012 at 7:50 AM
- Anonymous said...
Doesn't matter what the web site says when the TSA has "officers" who state "The website is out of date", or "this is a new procedure".
- March 9, 2012 at 7:59 AM
- Anonymous said...
Sorry Bob - too little and too late.
It doesn't sound sincere when you only apologize after being repeatedly beat-up about the incident for several days.
It sounds more like damage control.
- March 9, 2012 at 8:34 AM
- Anonymous said...
If a passenger is being held up by a TSO in a similar situation, what should that passenger do? It looks like we should ask for a supervisor. What happens if the supervisor incorrectly supports the original TSO? Is there someone higher up the chain we are supposed to ask for? It may not be possible to call your 800 number at the checkpoint since the TSA may still have the phone and it may not help anyway.
Verifying something with the TSA's website sounds great until you get to a checkpoint that says that information is out of date or that's not the way they do things at that airport. It does happen. Although if TSO's would use some common sense, these incidents probably wouldn't happen.
- March 9, 2012 at 8:43 AM
- Anonymous said...
You don't specify if the ice packs need to be forzen or if can they can be melted? I know there are some different interpertations at different airports; What say you.
- March 9, 2012 at 8:48 AM
- Anonymous said...
And yet John Pistole blamed the passenger for your screeners' incompetence. Why is that, Curtis?
- March 9, 2012 at 8:57 AM
- RB said...
As has been pointed out in several comments TSA employees make up their own rules, state the TSA website is out of date and as demonstrated by the event being discuss TSA does not hold its employees accountable for their actions. Has an incident such as this happened in the private sector the employee and the employees supervisor would have been fired on the spot.
Is it any wonder that TSA and its employees are the most distrusted government agency in the history of the United States?
TSA , this new Captcha word verification is ridiculous!!!!!!
- March 9, 2012 at 8:57 AM
- Anonymous said...
Bob, I still find it so alarming that you Boss had the guts to blame the passenger when asked about this incident at the National Press Club. How could he stoop to such derogatory statement? He truly reflects the way TSA treats the flying public.
- March 9, 2012 at 9:07 AM
- Anonymous said...
To anonymous above,
Good luck taking a train to Kauai.
- March 9, 2012 at 9:20 AM
- Anonymous said...
How about training them right the first time? Is that too hard?? Maybe if you employed security professionals, and didn't hire from ads on gas pumps and pizza boxes....
- March 9, 2012 at 9:58 AM
- FK said...
It's interesting that you use this issue (as egregious as it is) to deflect attention from the Jon Corbett video. You must REALLY not like people paying attention to his video.
This is borne out by the threats.. er, sorry- "strong cautions" you've been sending to journalists about covering his case.
- March 9, 2012 at 10:07 AM
- Anonymous said...
I go through screening twice a week, 90+ times a week, I pretty much bring the same stuff each week. If I am bringing something different, I check the website and print it out.
Still leary about the evidence on the scanners. Usually once of twice a year is not a big deal, but 90+, they haven't been around long enough to collect meaningful data.
Sorry I don't trust you on this, but many years ago, when working for the Town cutting grass and emptying garbage one summer, I noticed our week killer we sprayed around the school grounds was 2,4,5 T, agent orange. I, being an aspiring chemist, requested rubber gloves. I was told I could bathe in it and was not rehired the next summer because I was a trouble maker.
The search stuff I am okay with, except in Seattle, they are universally crabby there, but it is probably due to now sun and too much coffee.
- March 9, 2012 at 10:25 AM
- RB said...
Congress mandated that all cargo loaded on passenger aircraft be inspected with a deadline of several years ago, one that TSA has failed to meet. Yet TSA feels it is importatant to harrass passengers about things that have no impact of safety.
Seems to me that TSA should focus on things, like uninspected cargo, instead of fixating on breasts.
Oh, and hire some employees who are trainable.
- March 9, 2012 at 10:54 AM
- Anonymous said...
"Mistakes like this" happen far more often than "from time to time," as evidenced by the frequent statements from the TSA in response to embarrassing incidents regularly reported in the press.
"Mistakes like this" are merely symptoms of long-standing systemic problems that permeate the TSA. Those systemic problems are no secret. And they seriously undermine the TSA's credibility as well as its ability to perform its stated mission.
Unfortunately, TSA leadership has apparently decided to ignore the systemic problems. They show no evidence of interest in learning from mistakes in the past, as those mistakes just keep recurring. They appear to tolerate incompetent TSOs, and believe that a vague (and unverifiable) assurance of "retraining" and unspecified "corrective actions" is a sufficient response whenever an individual employee's incompetence embarrasses the TSA enough to require official spin doctoring. Since "mistakes like this" continue to occur regularly, it's clear this approach is not effective.
The TSA's fetish for secrecy, and particularly the immunity TSOs enjoy from accountability under the cloak of "civil service privacy," enable and encourage "mistakes like this." I'm certain that the incompetent TSOs in Lihue are still screening passengers. The only real solution is the transparency and accountability that the TSA sorely lacks. That is the only way to create confidence that TSOs are competent and professional, and to actually keep aviation safe.
- March 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM
- RB said...
So these people are ungoing addition training.
How is more training going to help when TSA can't even teach its employees how to recognize something simple like an ID?
"An 81-year-old Columbia Heights woman flying home recently got snagged in the Transportation Security Administration's dragnet at the airport in Fort Myers, Fla.
Her son, Michael Jaruch, told Whistleblower that when his mother showed her state-issued nondriver ID card at the security checkpoint, the TSA agent rejected it because it had no expiration date. Her passport was accepted, however."
- March 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM
- Anonymous said...
How about the TSO's abuse of the passenger, making her expose her breasts in the public lavatory in order to demonstrate the use of her breast pump?
- March 9, 2012 at 6:05 PM
- robert burns said...
If the TSA is so sorry about these type of events, why do they keeep happening?
- March 9, 2012 at 7:10 PM
- TSORon said...
FK said...
[[It's interesting that you use this issue (as egregious as it is) to deflect attention from the Jon Corbett video. You must REALLY not like people paying attention to his video.
This is borne out by the threats.. er, sorry- "strong cautions" you've been sending to journalists about covering his case.]]
I've seen the video there FK, and if you are willing to believe anyone who has such an obvious anti-TSA bias as to make up his own web site called TSAoutofourpants then I can understand how you can believe that his video shows so many things that is really doesn't. I can also understand why you are so willing to buy into his story even when it's not supported by any facts what-so-ever. His "videography" is not poor, its non-existant. There is no video of him passing through a scanner, or of his having done so with the metal object he describes being hidden anywhere, only his commentary. As they say, "Where's the BEEF?"
I am not surprised that Bob responded to this in the manner he did. Firstly because we don't advertise the vulnerabilities of our equipment or procedures, or even discuss them with the public. Secondly, because the story has no facts, only commentary. Which of course is why Bob cannot comment other than as he has done. Mr. Corbett has a web site, ask him to give us the facts, the rest of the video, and let us make up our own minds. Until then, there is really nothing to comment on.
- March 9, 2012 at 8:52 PM
- Anonymous said...
"When it all comes down to it, we're just trying to keep passengers safe."
That's the entire point, isn't it? Nearly $100B spent, 60000+ employees and you harass seniors with back braces and nursing mothers. FBI agents and Congressional staffers who accurately describe TSA activities as security "theater." You can't tell the difference between a bottle of water and liquid explosives. You try to justify keeping cupcakes off aircraft on the basis of security. Your weekly reports claim success for drugs, animals and all sorts of non-threats to aviation. You understand that while you repeatedly claim that you're "just trying to keep passgngers safe," the evidence suggests you don't have a clue on how to do that.
- March 10, 2012 at 1:05 AM
- tramky said...
If you get into a verbal tussle with a TSA agent, you WILL lose, so don't plan on flying that day. And since no airline considers what happens between TSA and their passengers as any of THEIR business, they will keep your airfare and will charge you for missing the flight and/or rescheduling it for another time, probably at a MUCH higher fare or for huge 'change' fees--$200!
If the TSA agent was wrong, and that is why you did not fly, the airlines could not care less--it's just more money for them, money for air travel they didn't have to deliver--what's better than that for the airlines?!
This is why the act of an American going to an airport is, in essence, a huge crapshoot. That's when you learn that your ticket doesn't buy you a seat on anything, and it certainly doesn't buy you transport to another airport--if the TSA gets involved, it decidedly does not. Your relationship with the airline, hundreds or thousands of dollars of purchased airfare notwithstanding, begins ONLY when you successfully pop out at the far end of a TSA security checkpoint. Before that you are just a credit-card swipe.
And what any TSA agent tells you is the LAW--nothing else matters. And TSA IS doing attitude profiling, so if you don't like what the TSA does about ANYTHING, YOU are viewed as the problem and TSA will act to keep you from popping out at the far end.
You must be quiet, acquiesce to any and all requests of ANY TSA agent, say nice things, smile like an idiot, grin like a fool, give up whatever personal property they tell you to give up--then maybe, just maybe, you'll fly. Anything short of that and, well, like I said . . . it's a crapshoot.
- March 10, 2012 at 1:57 AM
- tramky said...
Somebody wrote on here that knowing the TSA 'rules' is what separates US from the 'bad guys'. Whoa! That is NOT what the TSA is about. The TSA and DHS exist solely because the 'good guys' can not be differentiated from the 'bad guys'--in-flight bloodthirsty terrorists.
So if you have lived your life thinking that you are a rational person who would not and could not hurt anyone, understand that the TSA considers YOU to be indistinguishable from the most virulent, retrograde jihadi Islamic terrorist you could possibly imagine. The operative word is 'indistinguishable'. YOU are just as likely to be capable of putting a boxcutter to the throat of a child or of a female flight attendant as is anyone from the hills of Afghanistan or the hateful desert of Saudi Arabia. YOU are just as capable of getting on that plane with the knowledge that 20 pounds of C-4 explosives are in a piece of checked luggage. You are perceived by TSA as JUST AS CAPABLE of arranging for Uzi machine pistols to have been sequestered on board the plane by ground-service crew, machine pistols that you will seek out during a flight in order to kill scores of passengers or take over the airplane by blasting through the cockpit door.
The TSA see YOU as no different than any thug from Iraq. Feel safe tonight.
- March 10, 2012 at 2:06 AM
- Anonymous said...
Not good enough. "Retraining" is a nice way of brushing off these incidents as no big deal. The screener involved needs to be fired - no more excuses. If the only consequence of violating passengers' civil rights is an afternoon of "retraining" then these incidents will continue.
As a nursing mother of a toddler, I can now travel with a manual pump and get it past your security theater without much difficulty - but your agency's repeated poor treatment of nursing mothers is the reason I flat-out refused to travel by air for work until our child was over a year old. I was not going to risk some power-tripping screener manhandling (and possibly breaking) my $400 pump, mocking or embarrassing me in front of other passengers, or refusing to let me bring breast milk through security. Asking for a supervisor only earns retaliation and puts the rogue screener on the defensive, and filing a complaint gets you nowhere. If you print out information from the website, you're told that it's different at that airport and they can make up their own rules.
- March 10, 2012 at 9:25 AM
- Anonymous said...
Typical. TSA doesn't know and apply its own policies, and then humilitates a poor woman. also, the original PR release from the TSA said that there had been a "misunderstanding." No, there was no misunderstanding, just another incompetent TSA agent who didn't know his or her own agency's policies. Why are my tax dollars paying for this??????
- March 10, 2012 at 2:33 PM
- Anonymous said...
The names and photographs of all TSA employees who are identified as needing remedial training should be posted in all airports, post offices, and on the internet for a period of not less than two years following the date of remedial training.
These TSA employees should also be required to wear an orange sash with the word "REMEDIAL" in black letters of not less than 3" in height, at all times while on duty, for a period of not less than 6 months following remedial training. During this 6-month reacclimatization period, these employees should be assigned a one-on-one supervisor to be tethered to the remedial screener with an orange cord of not more than four feet in length, at all times while the screener is on airport property.
I believe that the mere existence of such a policy would motivate most incompetent TSA employees to either make absolutely certain they are thoroughly aware and up to date on all policies, or to quit, saving us all much money, time, and aggravation.
- March 10, 2012 at 4:04 PM
- Anonymous said...
"Her son, Michael Jaruch, told Whistleblower that when his mother showed her state-issued nondriver ID card at the security checkpoint, the TSA agent rejected it because it had no expiration date. Her passport was accepted, however."
I hope that little screener factoid makes it to Denver: I am a military officer. As such, I have an ID - distinguishable from a CAC card - that lists the expiration date as INDEF. I can't wait until they try to reject my military ID!
- March 10, 2012 at 6:02 PM
- TheBronze said...
With all the "shuck and jive" that goes on by TSA spokes-people and Bob Burns, no wonder no one likes or trusts the TSA.
Not to mention the implied threats to reporters...
- March 12, 2012 at 1:33 AM
- Anonymous said...
You screwed up. You screw up all the time. The chances of the TSA screwing up and hurting a passenger are significantly larger than those of catching a terrorist.
- March 12, 2012 at 5:47 AM
- Anonymous said...
How is it that there is anyone available to man the checkpoints with all the re-education in progress? After 20+ years in the military and private sector I can tell you training only goes so far. Eventually no one gets the idea until they come in one day and the guy in the next cube is being escorted out the door by security because he was fired.
- March 12, 2012 at 7:25 AM
- RB said...
OK, we get it TSA screeners don't understand the unnecessary liquids rules and exceptions to those rules. TSA employees prove this point all to often.
How about the TSA screeners who confiscated a camera lens duster,
Was confiscating this item really required to keep the flying public safe?
Really TSA, is this the best TSA can do?
- March 12, 2012 at 9:32 AM
- Anonymous said...
I'm confused. Is this a reaction to the "breast pump incident" in Lihue, or is this a separate incident where another incompetent TSO at Lihue caused a passenger needless difficulty?
Either way, you're yet again ignoring the real problem. What you call "mistakes" happen a lot more often than "from time to time." I've experienced them myself. But only a very few of them get reported, and only a very few of those are embarrassing enough for the bosses to take notice and order an evasive response from Bob.
There are good reasons why the vast majority of the "mistakes" aren't reported. Most victims either don't have time, or they don't know they have the right to ask for a supervisor and/or "contact TSA." There presumably are procedures that require TSOs to notify passengers of those rights, but they're most likely followed as inconsistently as everything else the TSA does. Employees at checkpoints have very obvious, very strong incentives to discourage passengers from complaining. As their bosses do not hold employees accountable for following the rules correctly, or for treating passengers with professional courtesy, "hear no evil" would seem to be the best approach to problems caused by incompetence.
Even if a passenger has read this blog and is aware of the right to complain, they may decide that complaining is a waste of time. It's very clear that the TSA doesn't care, and even John Pistole will blame the passenger when something serious goes wrong. There may even be the fear that complaining will land a passenger on some secret list that will ensure greater hassles.
The most likely reason is that TSOs have done an excellent job of conditioning passengers to know that the TSA expects them to be docile and obedient "if they want to fly today." Enough TSOs are bullies who will not tolerate any show of assertiveness. The lesson is to surrender whatever the TSO demands, no matter how wrong and humiliating. Some people do complain, but others just endure the humiliation and join the continually-increasing ranks of people who have good reason to hate the TSA.
What is clear is that the TSA tolerates these "mistakes," and shows no interest in addressing the systemic problems that allow incompetent employees to keep making them. It's apparently enough to rely on Bob to issue insincere "apologies" whenever someone reports a "mistake" serious enough to cause embarrassment.
- March 12, 2012 at 12:40 PM
- Unhappy said...
You dopes seem to be doing a lot of apologizing for egregious behavior. Makes me think their is a clear failure in the TSA from the top all the way down.
Here's a thought, think first, plan second, act third. Let me walk you through this. Find a female TSA employee and perform a walk-through of her journey through the airport. If she is made to feel uncomfortable in any way, revise the process. Next, find a male TSA employee and perform the same walk-through. If he is made to feel uncomfortable in any way, revise the process. Repeat the walk-throughs until it works.
Once you find a process that isn't a clear violation of the 4th amendment, give training to EVERY TSA employee. No policy shall be enforced until EVERY TSA employee knows the rules. If one person complains due to unreasonable action by a TSA employee, the entire TSA is at fault.
Finally, post the policies on the website, then QA that website on a regular, translated daily, basis.
Bottom line is that we should NEVER hear that the TSA is screwing up the simplest of niceties towards American citizens. You work for the government, and the government works for we, the people.
- March 12, 2012 at 12:53 PM
- Anonymous said...
Ice packs are only allowed if they are frozen solid--In the SOP
Another fact: There are 4000 employees at TSA HQ in DC. What the hell do you need 4000 people in DC for? HR issues? No because that's done through lockheed martin. Computer issues? No because that is done through lockheed martin.
This agency is a joke.
- March 12, 2012 at 3:05 PM
- Mikeef said...
Add me as another person who would like to know how to respond the next time a TSO says "The website is OOD.," or "Our airport does it differently."
Seriously, we all just want to know what to do. Handling it at the airport is much, much easier than calling the press.
- March 12, 2012 at 3:53 PM
- Anonymous said...
What are we to do when TSA personnel and their supervisors insist that the TSA website is out of date? Thanks.
- March 12, 2012 at 4:56 PM
- Anonymous said...
I notice how often you post all the guns and knives you find people trying to get through security. Tell me, how many guns or knives have you found in the colostomy bag of an 88 year old lady?
I'm guessing...none. Yet you still insist in looking in there, no matter how much humiliation is causes.
- March 12, 2012 at 10:28 PM
- Anonymous said...
When I was traveling with my infant, I was given tons of grief for the empty baby bottles which were playtex drop-ins and not a traditional bottle at all. I was given grief for the mysterious powder in the baby formula can. The TSA agent even tried to force me to open the jars of baby food I had claiming that they would not spoil during an 18 hour trip by plane. I requested a supervisor who told me the same thing. I showed a printout of the website that was printed that morning. I was still hitting a wall with them. It wasn't until my child started screaming for food that they finally called over some other person who basically asked why she was crying. I pointed out that they were holding her food and milk because it is apparently dangerous even though the website says it is allowed. About 30 minutes after the ordeal began, they decided I could travel with the formula and food. This was in the Orlando airport. Unfortunately a scaled down version of this has happened when I have flown out of Tulsa, OKC, Seattle, and many others. I am dreading traveling with my new baby as I know I will be dealing with this yet again.
- March 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM
- Anonymous said...
Sad to say this has been happening for at least 2 years. Some of us just get better media attention.
- March 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM
- RB said...
Florida Airport To Evict TSA Screeners...
Is TSA still under the false belief that the public supports TSA?
- March 14, 2012 at 5:14 PM
- Anonymous said...
The problem with icepacks is that, the instant you remove them from the freezer, they start melting. And-
"If frozen items are partially melted, slushy, or have any liquid at the bottom of the container, they must meet 3-1-1 requirements."
- so, while appearing to let ice packs through, the rules actually only let 3(.4) ounces of ice through.
- March 14, 2012 at 8:26 PM
- Anonymous said...
Shouldn't the screeners have been fired? They went through training once, and it didn't work. Why do you think it will work the second time?
- March 14, 2012 at 11:24 PM
- Anonymous said...
What this and too many other similar "mistakes" show is that TSA leadership has no interest in holding screeners accountable for knowing the rules and applying them properly. They apparently don't believe that the presence of incompetent screeners who regularly make embarrassing "mistakes" is detrimental to the Mission.
After all, the screeners always manage to meet their monthly quotas of drugs, snakes, inert grenades, and fake military jackets. Even though none of those "successes" are connected with terrorism or intent to harm aviation, they provide irrefutable proof that screeners are doing a good job even if they don't know the rules and/or treat passengers with something less than professional courtesy. And if a screener makes a "mistake" so egregious as to require posterior-covering, Blogger Bob can make it go away with a suitably evasive post that blames the passenger whenever possible.
The only real message I can get from this and similar posts is that if your life or health (including mental health) depend on TSOs knowing the rules and applying them properly, you must not fly. That's an unfortunate reality that nobody should find acceptable. It's an even more unfortunate reality that the TSA finds it entirely acceptable. That became abundantly clear when John Pistole did not hesitate to show his arrogant contempt for the public by blaming the passenger in this "breast pump" incident. The culture of contempt that encourages these "mistakes" permeates the TSA from the top down.
- March 15, 2012 at 1:31 PM
- RB said...
Anonymous said...
The problem with icepacks is that, the instant you remove them from the freezer, they start melting. And-
"If frozen items are partially melted, slushy, or have any liquid at the bottom of the container, they must meet 3-1-1 requirements."
- so, while appearing to let ice packs through, the rules actually only let 3(.4) ounces of ice through.
March 14, 2012 8:26 PM
The ice deal only became an issue after TSA Screeners used different screening standards for Britney Spears so her cup of ice could go through security than what is used for everyone else.
TSA has never been able to train its employees in exceptions to the standard rules and I doubt they ever will.
- March 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM
- Anonymous said...
"Another fact: There are 4000 employees at TSA HQ in DC. What the hell do you need 4000 people in DC for? HR issues? No because that's done through lockheed martin. Computer issues? No because that is done through lockheed martin. "
Completely out of touch in terms of management fraction. Read the Congressional report. Broken and probably not fixable.
- March 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM
- Anonymous said...
Does anybody from the TSA ever respond to these comments? I would be interested to hear answers to a few of the questions posed in some of these.
- March 19, 2012 at 9:26 PM
- Liz said...
Great post, I am sharing this with my followers. Good to know there is a number to call if incorrect information is presented again.
Liz Pevytoe, RN, IBCLC
- March 23, 2012 at 9:06 PM
- dav321 said...
How many times problems happned with liquids.
No policy shall be enforced until EVERY TSA employee knows the rules. Review policies once a year. If one person complains due to unreasonable action by a TSA employee, the entire TSA is at fault.
- May 17, 2012 at 7:50 PM
- Anonymous said...
I would like to suggest that TSA update the wording in both this blog post and the "Important Information on Traveling With Formula, Breast Milk, and Juice" section of tsa.gov to include the word "frozen" in regards to icepacks. This would clarify that even if you do travel with empty bottles or medical supplies, your icepacks need to be frozen in order to carry-on.
- July 6, 2012 at 4:26 PM
- Anonymous said...
We need to hear less "going to undergo retraining" and more "employment terminated with prejudice".
- July 6, 2012 at 8:52 PM
- L.Crossing said...
How can one counter the wrongdoing of one particular officer???
- August 5, 2012 at 7:17 AM
- Anonymous said...
I was told by the TSA person at Bozeman airport that I could take water through the checkpoint if it was frozen. Frozen water is not a liquid - was she correct?
- October 26, 2012 at 8:09 AM
- Anonymous said...
I was also told that I could not take an ice pack with empty bottles. I am glad to see that this was reported and resolved. I ended up throwing away my ice back and using backs of ice (from airport vendors) for all of my subsequent trips. Such a pain. Now that I am again traveling and have a new baby, I considered the option of pumping a little milk so the bottle would not be empty..or just filling with cows milk. But I am glad to see that I won't need to do this.
- March 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM
- Anonymous said...
I recently went through security in DEN, as I do about once a week. I was connecting from overseas and forgot that I hadn't drunk the last bit of water (perhaps a cup) from my (not empty) water bottle. I offered to drink the cup of water but was told that the rules require I go stand on the other side of security and drink it there.
Where's the logic in that? Clearly if it's dangerous in some way to allow me to drink it 10 feet on one side of security it's equally dangerous to allow me to drink it 10 feet on the other side of security.
- April 1, 2013 at 8:00 PM
- michael fletcher said...
May 16 went through screening at houston IAH with a near empty water bottle.my bag with the near empty bottle was pulled aside and i was advised that the bottle was to be confiscated. i offered to drink the remaining water, but the ISA agent said that i could not drink the water this side of screening but could go on the other side. i declined but could not see the sense of her request and statement that this was an TSA rule. mine was a simple commerical water bottle but i did see the same rule applied to definitively more expensive bottles. is this a RULE of simple a local application.
- May 20, 2013 at 7:53 AM
- Anonymous said...
The screeners should have been fired, because this is wrong wrong wrong on so many levels.
Mistakes are one thing, which that TSA crew committed the week prior when they proved they didn't know about proper procedure regarding breastmilk.
Staking someone out and then humiliating and intimidating a poor nursing mother for over 40 minutes AND making her mss her flight--that's not a mistake. That's criminal and it should be punished.
I hope she squeezes every last penny out of TSA and then the spotlight rains down on TSA is publicly as youre all publicly made an example of. Something along the lines of that Cool Hand Luke ditch digging scene would do it for me.
- June 25, 2013 at 1:31 AM
- Automated Machines said...
All of this with the retraining and apologizing reminds me of how the union handles situations and protects the employee that deserves to be fired. Get your act together and take action that needs to be taken.
- October 8, 2013 at 2:53 AM
- Anonymous said...
Hi - the link listed in the article doesn't point to a valid page anymore. I was very curious to know more since the ice pack I brought with me on a flight was confiscated which made for transporting breastmilk on the return flight a PITA. I had read the guidance on the TSA site, but was looking for additional info so I could make sure I did it right next time.
- October 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM
- LadyLiz said...
I have read information provided re gelpacks for medication requiring refrigeration. My questions. I have a coast to coast flight flight at 7:30am that will last for 8 hours and will need to take the medication midday. This it the first time that I have needed to carry the medication on board the plane w/the icepaks.
I understand that they should be frozen or as frozen as they can be an hour plus out of refrigerator when I am in the TSA line.
Question - Can I use the gelpaks that come w/my medication when ii is shipped - because they stay frozen longer- they are not transparent but are labeled "Nordic Ice,freeze and use as a long lasting ice pack" - dimensions are 6" x 6?'
Question 2 - Do I need a note from my MD if bottle says use twice a day and he has recently increased the dosage to 3 times a day.
Question 3 -Do these requirements apply to overseas travel?
- June 21, 2014 at 8:00 AM
- tOM said...
Lots of comments. Why no replies by TSA? Should not this be a conversation?
- June 13, 2015 at 2:55 PM
- Anonymous said...
The TSA is the worst managed government entity in the history of the United States.
TSOs, which should not be called officers in the first place, should be told specifically that if they make up a rule because they are unfamiliar with the rules the will be terminated. That should be part of their core training. It's poor management, not "keeping potential terrorists off guard," that causes the TSA to be so disrespected.
- June 29, 2015 at 3:48 PM
- A. Henderson said...
The hyperlink behind the quote "Additionally, empty bottles and ice packs are permitted..." leads to an inactive site - please correct this ASAP.
- July 15, 2015 at 3:30 PM
- John C said...
This is going directly to the TSA at Honolulu airport. My buddy brought aboard his Hydro flask, and had a small amount of water and security would not allow him to drink the water and they insisted on confiscating the Hydro flask. I personally experienced a very similar incident at SeaTac international, where they confiscated my one and a half inch blade which was well within the allowed amount for a knife.
What is the governess to stage a complaint to and seek compensation and such items are unlawfully taken from us?
- August 19, 2015 at 1:40 AM
- Anonymous said...
Are "Packit Refreezables permitted": These are small coolers where the freezer gels are integrated into the "walls" of the cooler. Not detachable, stitched in side it. The entire unit goes in the freezer.
- August 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM
- Anonymous said...
At IAD, I was not permitted to carry on a gel ice pack to keep my infant son's breast milk cold. The on-site supervisor at that time, told me that I cannot bring the gel pack past security because they cannot test the contents inside and that the gel pack would need to be frozen solid to take past security.
I explained to her that gel packs freeze at a freezing point much lower than a regular freezer is set at, and therefore it would be impossible to freeze this gel pack solid. I also explained to her that breast milk goes bad in 4 hours, and I was traveling across the country for longer than 4 hours. Her response was that the airline could give me ice.
I then asked to speak to the manager. I again explained the importance of using the gel pack because breast milk goes bad in four hours. I also have a milk supply that has dropped and I cannot completely nourish my son by breastfeeding and rely on that expressed milk. He went to go talk to the supervisor, and came back and said that the gel pack wasn't allowed because it wasn't frozen solid and therefore they couldn't test the contents of the gel pack.
I told him that I was going to complain.
Since returning home, I looked up TSA policy and see that TSA actually DOES allow passengers to carry gel packs on board for the purposes of cooling breast milk (https://www.tsa.gov/travel/special-procedures/traveling-children). I am irritated to see that this blog started 3 years ago, and there are still employees (who are managers and supervisors at a big international airport) who aren't educated on the policies.
I understand that safety is number 1—but the well-being of my infant child is my number 1 priority. Airports don't sell infant formula— AND my son is not accustomed to consuming it. This could have been a very bad situation if my layover was longer.
- August 29, 2015 at 4:50 PM
- Anonymous said...
To the mother who left the comment at August 29, 2015 at 4:50 PM, my wife and I had the same exact experience at SFO yesterday (flying, coincidentally, to IAD). We only found out that it was perfectly allowable AFTER TSA said it wasn't (too late). Shame on them.
- September 21, 2015 at 9:56 AM
- Anonymous said...
Does anyone know whether the gel pack policy for breast milk extends to needing a gel pack for post-surgical cold therapy? i recently had a knee replacement and need to ice with a gel pack once every 1-2 hours. Can i bring one on the plane with a doc's note?
- February 10, 2016 at 2:24 PM
- William Reilly said...
.....just got told by TSA in Denver that I couldn't carry on a 40 dollar ice pack....but I could check it as luggage.....which meant walking back to ticketing.....and paying a 40 dollar baggage fee for a 40 dollar ice pack......TSA is the proud owner of my ice pack......
- April 4, 2016 at 5:49 PM
- Darrin said...
Thanks for having this blog and posting for the public. I wish people would be more supportive of your actions when commenting. The TSA and any business should be commended for airing their mistakes and trying to correct them. Retraining, etc. is the goal to make it seamless in the future. I commend you for your work, Bob, I am sure it is often thank less...
- January 4, 2017 at 11:02 AM
- Sarah said...
I just had my ice pack meant to keep breastmilk milk cool confiscated. It was no longer frozen (no freezer in my hotel room).
I'd like clarification of whether or not ice packs that are not frozen are exempt from the 3-1-1 rule. The language on flying with breastmilk is unclear.
- March 6, 2017 at 3:30 PM


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Johannesburg - 23 October 2009
South African Airways (SAA) has further enhanced its Africa route network increasing capacity on a number of destinations in the continent.
Flights between Johannesburg and Dar es Salaam have increased from 7 per week to 9. The two additional flights will be operated on Saturdays and Sundays.
SAA has increased its flights between Johannesburg and Windhoek from 14 per week to 20, effectively introducing three flights per day excluding Saturdays on the route.
A new schedule on the Windhoek route has also been introduced to offer the most effective options for Business Class customers.
Flights between Johannesburg and Accra, Ghana are now operated daily, increased from just four per week.
It is SAA's strategic focus to strengthen operations in the market it leads, such as into Africa and to grow where there are opportunities. This is in line with SAA's mandate to be an African carrier with global reach.
SAA recently announced that the airline experienced strong growth in market share in Africa, which remains the most profitable market following a strategic decision to concentrate on growth plans in the region.
Dar es Salaam
Issued by Group Corporate Affairs