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I have been thinking about this subject and wanted to explain something.
I am 54 years old and painted my first car in 1977. Things were MUCH different as many of you can agree, there were a few paint manufacturers and that was IT. There weren't all the brands, available here (in the US) and there sure as heck wasn't all the "off brands". The store where I bought the material to paint that 31 Model A acrylic enamel in 1977 was a Napa auto parts store that sold Ditzler (PPG). That is the ONLY paint line they sold, they had all the Ditzler products, and that is what I used. We are talking even the "bondo" was Ditzler labeled part number 999! A few months later I painted the first lacquer job, a 64 Nova, again, all Ditzler. A few months later my 1948 Chevy pickup, yep, Ditzler acrylic enamel, with Ditzler lacquer primer under it and Ditzler 999 filler under that. (lots of it. )
My first full time job a week after high school let out 1977, I was working full time at a body shop buying our materials from that same store! My next full time job, Dupont, everything was Dupont! My next job (full on restoration) Ditzler, and I was there when they changed the name to PPG I believe, shot Delmont there with the tech rep when it came out.
A few more shops, all I remember is spraying the same products, no different brands of anything. Once in a while a specialty product like I remember very vividly at my own shop around 1982 spraying a waterborne primer called "Nova" prime to bury a sensitive substrate. But generally used all the same products.
So I came from a place where that is simply what you did, used all the same products.
When I became a rep as I said I saw so much failure all do not following the tech sheets, with the worse being the guys who would have all different brands of products on their shelves, it looked like the beer and soda coolers at a Quickie Mart for goodness sakes. I REALLY wanted to find out why something failed, I wasn't one of those reps who throw a gallon of clear at you to make you happy, I wanted to SOLVE the problem, I would still give you a gallon of clear even if you screwed something up, but I wanted to learn, and I wanted the painter to learn so it never happen again to them, or to me.
Like I said, there was a pattern like you can't believe. We are talking VERY clear patterns. The guys who thought they were brilliant chemists and that I was a dumb bastard yes man from the paint company, they were the ones with the most failures, HANDS DOWN! And I am not talking "my primer isn't drying fast enough" kinda problems, I am talking total catastrophic failures! I had one guy who had a complaint that bird crap was attacking his customers paint, (a SS industrial value line). I went over there, grabbed a lacquer thinner soaked rag and did the rub test. It came OFF, we are talking the rag was WHITE from the paint and with a few rubs was going THRU the paint! I then walked over to a tailgate I had painted a few days earlier on a gun demo and used the same paint. We walked over to it and rubbed it as hard as I could with a lacquer thinner SOAKED rag and it didn't even touch the paint! This type of thing happen over and over. Was it BECAUSE he used a different band clear, of course not, but it is funny how it happen to ONLY the guys with the habit of not following the tech sheets. I have event after event with a couple of different guys who did this over and over the 5 years I was a rep.
I got even more determined to preach from the mountain tops FOLLOW THE TECH SHEETS with every day. If like I said, with experience we do something different, than cool, if we can pass on something to someone where it works, than cool. But without the knowledge, going by the tech sheets is going to be the newbe's best bet.
Today with all the different brands and all the different "off brands" with only clears or primers available to us, maybe if I was brought up in this environment I would think differently. There ARE shops and home hobbiest all over mixing brands of primer, paint and clear and they ARE producing great work doing it. But again, I can't stress this enough, I am talking to the people without the experience NOT to the pro's, in this regard. If they follow the tech sheets down to using all the products from the same manufacturer AS THEY ARE in those tech sheets they will have less to think about, and less problems.
It is a lower hourly rate of course, we aren't making a profit on the warranty job of course, but they pay the labor, YES they do. We have a legal contract with them, we do 3.5 million dollars a year in sales, it is a big business and you can bet your butt the owners make damn sure with lawyers that it is a binding contract and it means what it says it does.
I had shot for years yes in a number of shops doing collision and restoration including my own which I own and did all the painting in for 13 years, I went to work as a paint rep. As a rep I went into hundreds of shops. I talked to different painters every day, patterns emerged, very clear patterns. Those patterns were as clear as clear can be.
Those who followed the tech sheets had fewer problems, period. Following the tech sheets include using the products told go use on those tech sheets.
I am not saying you must use all the same brand, no where do I say that.
I will repeat again what I said, which is NOT that you MUST use all the same products in a line.
If you want to eliminate issues, if you want your project to go as smooth as you can, you stick with all the same products as they are suggested on the tech sheets.
For the home hobbiest, follow the tech sheets, use all the same products from one line and you are going to be WAY better off.
If a home hobbiest wants to have fewer problems he is going to follow the tech sheet. Tell me, how can you follow the tech sheet if you are using a primer from some other brand paint? How can you follow the tech sheet if you are using another brand clear?
And where I work now we have ALL the same brand. We were S-W for years and now AkzoNobel and EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT in the shop is of that brand.
Following the tech sheets is the first and foremost in producing a nice finished product, deviating from the tech sheet is the first and foremost reason for failure.
You and I know that you can deviate from it a mile and it isn't going to explode in front of you, we also know there are portions of that tech sheet that if you deviate from it an inch it is sure failure, if the home hobbiest who is doing this for the first time doesn't know which one it is, what should he do?
FOLLOW THE TECH SHEETS! Is a very simple and precise rule that the home hobbiest simply can not make a mistake with.
If he has a question about this and asks a professionals advice (hopefully are qualified pro like yourself) and can then deviate without fear of failure. But baring learning what can and can't be deviated from, FOLLOW THE TECH SHEETS is the best advice I can give him.
Here is a system I have used with no failures for about 20 years...
Marhyde Ultimate primer
Sherwin Williams lacquer based sealers
either R-M... House Of Kolor... or X-otic Colours basecoats
HOK SG100 mid-coat clear...or X-otic 34-200 mid-coat clear
R-M DC92 clear
...all reduced with GROW universal urethane reducers
I won't say that this will work with everyone's products, as I see a few manufacturers are putting some of their chemical components into things like reducers or catalysts. This is done so that you will... HAVE TOO BUY ONLY THEIR PRODUCTS!!!
In the last 40 years I have been screwed over several times by paint manufacturers... who have even intentionally lied to me ...so don't expect them to always be truthful.
As far as a manufacturer's paint warranty... they don't pay you to repaint a car when it is their fault it failed... so don't think the cost of the additional paint makes it worth being loyal to them. The labor is always the bigger cost! I stand behind my own work, and use the materials that perform for me 100% of the time.
To me... much of this is very similar to being told that I have to use things like epoxy primer. For a guy who grew up using lacquer primers, which the entire automotive industry was built on for about the first 75 years... 2K urethane primers have performed flawlessly in my world. The one exception I would consider is, to use it if the car will be left in primer, and exposed to the weather long-term.
I will also mention that I do this full time since 1986... so adding "unnecessary cost and labor" to all of my jobs would threaten my ability to make a living in our tightening economy. Good paint work is already too expensive for many. If I make it even higher... for no real gain... I only drive people away.
|69 widetrack
I agree Mike, some of what is recommended in tech sheets from a manufacturer is recommended to produce more sales for the manufacturer...the key is, as you said, is to stick to the reducers and catalysts designed for the product. For example, if you use a 2K primer, use the proper reducer and hardner, if you use base coat, stick with the proper base coat reducer, choose any clear but, stick with the additives designed and built for the product. Above all, don't become a chemist, just because a can is labeled hardner or reducer doesn't mean it will catalyze or reduce any paint. But once a product (like primer) is cured and prepped properly it can be top coated with any base, any or any single stage. Once base coat is properly flashed, it can be top coated with any clear.
As I've mentioned before, in Canada we have had VOC regulation since 2011, I know of many shops that purchased many gallons of non VOC compliant clear to be put over top of water born base...why...because the VOC compliant clear that was introduced at that time by several manufacturers was less productive (bake at metal temperature of 160 F or higher, not the typical 140 F air temperature), more difficult to work with, (although, at best in many cases did match factory finish quite well) and cost. I still stay in touch with many of these shops and adhesion has not been a problem.
|Old Fool
So the phrase you must use the whole system started since the "bigs" didn't want shops not buying their overpriced lesser quality (independent lab proven) product. ( facts provided by competent authority on auto paint )
If you put a product over a cured product of a different brand and the 2 products are compatible (no lacquer over enamel for example) there should be no problem. SPI primers and clears are living proof of this.
We are all conditioned to listen to the big guys, but if we are smart we evaluate their rhetoric and make decisions based on facts and ours and others experience.
Thanks to all the replys, both on the board and the pm's. Happy New Year to all.
Well if no one else will say it I guess I will......COMPLETE B.S.
When I read this crap it sounds like youve never stepped foot in a body shop ,EVER...
You can put ANY base over ANY primer ANY clear over ANY base..thats the long and short of it....
What you dont want to do is use reducer or hardener in an other brands primer, base or clear thats where the trouble can start... As long as each uses its own system it'll be fine ,Thats how we get the best of the best materials with fantastic results...
In all my years of actually working in a shop (many shops) nobody sticks to all One brand ,thats rediculas ,not even the shops that sign a contract with PPG only to use thier products, use only PPG..... we want the BEST bondo, primer for the money and the all BEST materials to get the best work and its just not possible from one brand ....sure You can "get away with it",using all one brand, but it wont be the BEST you can do...I really feel sorry for the ones that actually believe this crap but I do understand how confussing it can be and how playing it (somewhat) safe seems like a good idea and thats what these big paint companies want you to think... Dupont chroma base even tried to make it true with their basemaker reducer ,you'll have problems using anything else but as long as you use the basemaker spraying it over any primer and using any clear isnt a problem....
Just tellin it like it really is...Sorry
|69 widetrack
As you mentioned that it doesn't take much to write off a vehicle today because of air bags, expensive parts and just the fact that vehicles are made to crumble on impact instead of withstand an impact for safety, does write of many relatively new vehicles. I agree that they do look after a certain number of vehicles for paint problems under warranty, but, generally there needs to be a call back before a manufacturer warranties the paint. How many people paid out of pocket to get their vehicles painted in the nineties when Ford had the massive recall on paint? I know I painted my fair share and the customer paid.
what few claims they get, they make up in time.. they bet the horse it'll outlast the warranty or get hit.. or better yet totalled..
with 16 air bags it don't take a hard hit to total cars anymore..
I'm shocked that my 26y/o and 28y/o cars look as good as they do.. as the paint on it,todays macco's bottom junk is better product.. than the crap they sprayed in the 80's.. in the oem.. both are tired but still shine. somewhat..lol
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I will say, I thought that the OEM gave up the high temperature paint cure with the major peeling problem that they had into the 90's...so I called a friend of mine who would know and this is what I was told.
"In the 70's they used to bake paint at 350 degrees to achieve cross linking...they found out it didn't work well. In the 80's with start of base clear in North America is when they started experimenting with different ways to achieve cross linking at lower temperatures and a more widespread use of catalysts...they found out it didn't work well. Today with the 1K Melamine clears, being baked at 285 degrees they are having a similar situation...it's not working well. Manufacturer's are still paying out claims for delamination at a higher rate than the aftermarket repair shop has claims for adhesion. Consistent adhesion at the OEM level is still an issue and time will tell."
I do apologize, I thought that the ultra high temperature clear bake went away when water born base coat was introduced and more widely used at the OEM level.
However, I will stand by what I said earlier, I will put a paint job done from metal up by a qualified experienced painter ahead of an OEM paint job any time. I know I would get a better finish (less orange peel) I know that the aftermarket has a lower number of adhesion issues than the OEM and because they bake their clear at a high temperature and have done so for many previous years of failure, I don't believe it makes it better...probably faster, but not better.
As far as removing OEM primers on collision repairs, I agree with you Tech69, if it's not necessary to do the repair back to OEM standards, then there's no need. If I'm doing a restoration on an old vehicle with old paint...it's coming off. Not many people are restoring a 13 year old Jetta, but aftermarket clear coat being durable with fewer adhesion problems...in a heart beat...and isn't adhesion part of durability.
What we do at the body shop is more of a "forced dry" at 140 or so. While at the manufacturer I believe they get much hotter as the car is painted before it's assembled, I believe it's more of a real "Bake" and gets into the hundreds of degrees.
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One reason your bumpers with stand rock chips better than OEM is the epoxy primer, Epoxy is much more flexible and creates a cushion between the plastic and the top coat.
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Hello, New People to the Treeleaf Sangha,
Please post a little introduction here. Welcome and make yourself at home!
Gassho, Jundo
Hello, New People to the Treeleaf Sangha,
Please post a little introduction here. Welcome and make yourself at home!
Gassho, Jundo
Hi, Everyone,
I guess I jumped the gun when I posted my hello earlier! Have to work on patience!
I live in Canada and there's no place close for me to visit and meditate with others present as well. There used to be a Tibetan Buddhism group that I studied with but they left due to lack of support amoung other things.
I sit regularly and have been to a few Theravadin Silent Retreats which I absolutely loved. It's the simplicity of it that I like, no mask, just humans being.
I'm glad to be here and thanks to all who've already welcomed me,
Keep well, many blessings,
Hello everyone.
Though a native of north-east England, I've lived in North America for almost twenty years and I'm a college teacher. I've been interested in zen buddhism for around twenty five years. My previous attempts to develop a regular practice didn't quite work out, but I've been sitting more or less daily for about a year and a half now, with weekly attendance at a local Soto Zen group. I've lurked on Treeleaf for a while, but was prompted to join so that I might be able to participate in discussion. I also like the international scope of this sangha's membership.
Looking forward to getting to know you,
welcome simon.
we are glad to have you with us
Hey Simon. Welcome.
Lora I already got you in the other thread
Gassho Will
hello everyone.
It is wonderful to find what you have been hoping for, looking for.
after a year of studying buddhism and 9 moths studying zen in an isloated area, this zendo is most welcome.
My practice is difficult due to arthritus and OCD sometimes a session of breath counting is 15 minutes of 1.....1.......1.......1......1 interrupted by constant thoughts and sometimes thoughts about not having thoughts or thoughts of not having thoughts about not having thoughts. You get the picture hopefully.
Still the practice has been a blessing at work and at home. The support here will be most welcome.
So from Northwest indiana hello.
Lora, Simon, and Martin55,
Welcome to Treeleaf! Looking forward to practicing with you and "seeing" you in the Sangha!
Welcome Lora, Simon and Martin55,
Martin, It sounds like you are on the right track. When I started at Treeleaf, Jundo suggested that I drop the breath count. Although it is a good way to begin to focus, it can get in the way of Soto practice. After that it is a matter of letting go of any thoughts if they come up (they will!)Originally Posted by Martin55
Good luck and keep at it.
Hello to All,
Glad to have found you and look forward to getting to know one another.
I've been meditating on my own for 4 or 5 years and don't really know to much about Buddhism other then having read a few books by Thich Nhat Hahn and Pema Chodron. I've never done any retreats or studied with a teacher but I have spent many a session with my therapist discussing meditation as he is a Buddhist.
My practice is all about staying when I want to run and I want to run much of the time. I can go for long stretches of time where I can witness the insanity of life and then there are times when I feel like I get sucked into my thoughts , feelings, goings on in the world and THAT is who I am. It goes back and forth.
Anyway, that's my story for now and I'm sticking with it.
Be well folks,
Hello new people. Hope to met you on the forum or in the mediation room.
Yes, I recommend breath counting for a few weeks, or a few months at most, for new folks who are having difficulties in calming and centering their thoughts during Zazen. But we consider that as just training wheels on the bike, to be taken off sooner rather then later.Originally Posted by lindabeekeeper
In some schools of Buddhism, and even in some Zen traditions, breath counting or breath following are pursued with greater intensity and for longer periods, even for years. But in our Soto way, in which our goal is no goal, we begin "just sitting" Shikantaza as soon as the person gets some sense of the difference between a quiet, open, nonjudgmental mind and a mind filled with thoughts and emotions.
Gassho, Jundo
Greetings Martin, Kiddo, Simon, and Lora [again].
Glad you all are here.
Hello All,
Retired New York City Fire Dept. Interested in Zen for about ten years but mostly
reading and minimal sitting. Started sitting more regularly to the Treeleaf
timer, which really does beat the old egg timer stuffed into a towel gig.
Anyway, greetings to all from New York State.
Hi all,
I'm a librarian living in the Cincinnati, Ohio area. Sitting zazen for almost 10 years, mostly alone, and have been to a couple of short sesshins. I sit every morning for about 30 minutes. Some of my favorite authors are Charlotte Joko Beck, Steve Hagen, John Tarrant, Brad Warner, Shunryu Suzuki, Norman Fischer, and Ann Coulter. (kidding on that last one, just seeing if you're paying attention) :P It's beginning to sink in that books can't tell me what my life is all about. Only Just THIS can.
I read the thread about yoga practice here. Does anyone recommend some stretches that will help a fella sit in half-lotus (at least)? I've been using a seiza bench for the last couple years and have recently begun to sit Burmese style.
Welcome Everyone!
M@rk, you got me with "Ann Coulter" :lol:
Gassho, Tony
Hello everyone, I'm glad for the opportunity to join the Group...thanks to Heather for pointing me here and to Jundo for letting me in...
My name is Graham. I live in Trinidad, a small island on the Southern Caribbean. I am the administrator of a small group affiliated to the Order of Buddhist Contemplatives. I also maintain a website for the Group at http://www.zenislandsangha.org .
I've spent several days "lurking" on TreeLeaf and very much enjoyed the postings by both Jundo and the members, hence my decision to sign up. By coincidence, I'm also in the middle of a reread of Uchiyama's "Hand of Thought"...serendipity!
I have been following a Soto practice for about five years, with various others before that.
I look forward to your posts and participating where I think I have something to add.
Thanks for the link Martin. Some of those stretches look almost as painful as full lotus! ha ha.
I am new to meditation. I started using the meditation timer here about a month ago, and sit for 10-20 minutes early morning at work, before anyone else shows up. I was with a Nichiren group about 20 years ago, but for a number of reasons that did not work well for me. I've wandered through almost every Christian denomination that exists. I'm rather of tired of wandering, and now I'm enjoying this just sitting, and not thinking. I feel rather alone in this, in that my husband doesn't want to do or talk about any kind of practise, and I don't know anyone else to share this new (for me) discovery with. So, I finally got up the courage to join here.
Chessie, welcome aboard, this is a very friendly place, with lots of wisdom and support. Gassho Kent
Hi Chessiem M@rk, Graham and Dan,
M@rk, nice to see a fellow librarian.
ann,Originally Posted by chessie
My wife seems unsure about my Zen practice as she was raised in a very fundamentalist U.S. church. She doesn't go to that kind of church anymore and doesn't like their social conservatism, but it's hard for her to shake some of what was instilled in her. We don't talk much about my practice life; hopefully she'll see the results in me and will be more comfortable with it.
The question came up yesterday about prostelitizing. We don't. And we have also had some discussion on this forum about how to "explain" our Practice to friends and family who might have doubts or questions. I think the following about summed it up ...Originally Posted by M@rk
Gassho, Jundowhat do you do with your family and friends to explain your practice?? Well, in my case, I did not need to do much. After I had been practicing for awhile, they noticed changes is me that they thought good. When other people would get worked up about situations or act in negative ways, I was always pretty peaceful and level headed. They told me that I seemed more caring and at peace with myself (you should have known me when I was an A-type personality corporate lawyer about 20 years ago).
Finally, they found that I was "just the same old guy", in the meaning that I was not a robot, not unemotional or "detached" from relationships and my family, not hanging around airports raising money dressed in a bedsheet, not doing anything really different from before ... but yet different from before.
My own mother began to take an interest, and came to sittings once in a long while. By the end of her life, when she had cancer, she turned in part to Buddhist philosophy to go through that. She eventually asked me to conduct her funeral in a Buddhist way (and I did a kind of very personal Buddhist funeral for her).
The way to tell people about what we Practice is just to live your life, be their friend, husband and son. I think.
Hi everybody!
I'm Päivi (paivi) from Finland. I've been reading Buddhist texts for ages now (I'm 50). I live in the country, so I haven't had a teacher or a regular sitting group before. I've done my sitting on and off for about 15 years - mostly off, I'm afraid.
Buddhism is a big part of my everyday life nowadays. I hope to get involved in planning and starting a retirement home for... let's say... people like me. It would be wonderful to be able to share what we all have learned in life and do our practice together.
I have recently changed my livelihood into something that I feel is right. I work with developmentally challenged elderly people. Originally I was a journalist, later a copywriter. Now I'm really happy with what I do for a living.
It would be good to get to know yall a bit. Feel free to ask, if you want to know something about me or share something.
Gassho, paivi
Thank you for showing me the way here, Sakari! p
Hi everyone. Welcome to Treeleaf.
Gassho Will
Hi all,
Welcome, great to have you here with us!
Hello all,
My name is Scott and I'm a stay at home dad to a nearly 3 year old son. I'm 33 years old today (the 26th) and relatively new to Zen in that I've read about it but never got to the sangha part of it. That's due to a combination of my somewhat shy nature but also because of the commitments I have here at home. There is actually a well known Zen Center about 10 miles away, but it might as well be 10,000 with the schedule I keep. So, I was very intrigued by the idea of Treeleaf and from what I have seen so far I think it will provide a great opportunity. Now, all I have to do is take advantage of that and hopefully get to know you folks in the coming days, months, and years if I'm lucky. It looks like jumping right in is the thing to do, so I'll do my best.
Welcome Scott and Happy Birthday!! Gassho Kent
Hey everyone!
My name is Geoff, I'm 32, from the north-west of England, but recently moved to Vienna (Austria) with my girlfriend. I've been interested in Zen for around 6 years, and have been practicing zazen/mindfulness on and off for this period but never for longer than a month due to issues with anxiety.
For the last 2 weeks I have meditated every day for 50 minutes, I really want to keep the practice going this time, so that will probably be one of my first discussions on the forum.
I've found a zendo in Vienna, and I'll be visiting in 2 weeks, when the next introduction takes place.
Some of my favorite buddhist books are:
Being Zen - Ezra Bayda
Everyday Zen / Nothing Special - Charlotte Joko Beck
The Places That Scare You - Pema Chodron
Hardcore Zen - Brad Warner
I look forward to meeting you all, and sharing some experiences with you!
Thanks Kent and welcome Geoff!
Cheers Scott
I appreciate the opportunity to be involved with the Treeleaf Zendo. A bit about myself,
I retired four years ago from the National Park Service after 41 years and moved from Hawaii to a little town in West Texas called Marfa. I chose my log in name "lorax" from the Dr. Suse story of the Lorax who speaks for the trees. Seems appropriate after a career of "speaking for the trees" and other natural and historic resources of our National Parks.
A bit of background of my Buddhist practice.
It has been a slow involving trip. If I look back the trip actually started over 50 years ago as I learned Japanese and Chinese brush painting as my chosen art media. Also several years of Judo contributed to building a Buddhist base. It probably also was the reason more than half of my career with the Park Service was spent in Hawaii. In Hawaii many of my friends were Shin Buddhist, so on the social level a Buddhist consciousness was building. Several friends followed a Tibetan Buddhist practice and provided the opportunity for my wife and I to meet the Dali Lama when he was visited a small temple in Ka'u Hawaii.
While all the above were building blocks, the primary push came about seven years ago when I accepted a short assignment to work with folks from the Ministry of Construction in China reviewing their management of the World Heritage sites in Sichuan. All of the sites included strong Buddhist historic values. I was struck by the quiet but profound devotion of many of the young people in our group as well as the old professors from Beijing University. It completely changed my preconceived belief about the Chinese people and their spiritual practice. Working with them on developing sustainable management practices for these sites pushed me further towards a Buddhist practice in my personal life.
A personal practice, of sorts, started to develop after returning to Hawaii. My supervisor and mentor worried about the stress I was under as Superintendent of Hawaii Volcanoes National Park; sort of out of my league in dealing with the politics and demands of the position. He suggested I look into "zen meditation" to help me calm my mind and keep things in perspective. So I started on a non directed path looking at the various practices and settling on a loosely structured practice of studying the dharma and sitting.
Just when I was settling in on what seemed to be a zen practice I retired and moved to a place where Buddhist practice is not common if existing at all. West Texas is not Hawaii! So I found myself on my own. Sitting each morning, and studying the dharma.
A month ago I noted information in the Buddha Dharma or Tricycle magazine on the Treeleaf Zendo and your commitment to sit "on line" for nine years. I visited the site and was enjoying your daily commentary before sitting. Just what I needed, an opportunity for a friendly contact beyond myself. Perhaps filling in the void of not belonging to a shanga.
So that's me. Jim Martin, Retired Park Ranger, who sits each morning in far west Texas.
It seems I have some catching up to do on my welcomes. So, welcome to Treeleaf:
Scott (Is that a Red Sox hat on your head? If so, we'll get along fine. )
It's great to have you all here.
Scott, Geoff, and Jim -- welcome! Looking forward to getting to know you.
Yep, I'm a Sox fan and that picture was taken on Cape Cod a few weeks ago. It's one of the few places on Earth I feel totally relaxed...and getting Sox games on TV is nice too.Originally Posted by Keith
Excellent! I am orginally from CT, but lived in Boston for 4 yeas before moving to FL. I wish I could catch more Sox games, but I see them during interleague play when they play the Marlins. Ultimately, there are more Sox fans than Marlin fans. I can understand about Cape Cod. My wife and I had a lovely (albeit brief) honeymoon there.Originally Posted by Scott
Hi Guys
welcome one & all
Best wishes
Thanks again for the warm welcomes. I finally figured out the picture thing! :lol: Ann
Hello and welcome to all the new faces from June!
Dirk *the onceler*


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Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Odd Watch Discovered at Oakland (OAK): Steampunk Art or Potential Threat?
56 comments:
- Anonymous said...
Why was the passenger arrested? Especially if the conclusion was that is just a wired watch?
- November 21, 2012 at 9:32 AM
- Anonymous said...
Although no explosives were found, could this have been a test by the "bad guy" to see what components can get by. Now that this has come out in the light, will TSA allow the next "component" to go through. IEDs can be incrementally assembeled. Pieces brought in one at a time and assembeled after getting through. I think the arrest was good and just. A possible component for an IED.
I beleive the rest of my fellow travelers and those nay sayers really need to tune into what the "bad guy" is willing to do and how long they will take to plan and test a theory.
- November 21, 2012 at 9:37 AM
- Anonymous said...
So if it was declared not a threat, then why arrest the guy?!
- November 21, 2012 at 9:37 AM
- Anonymous said...
Stop feeding the anti-TSA sentiment. The only reason this was posted was to satisfy their demands. It is sad that people need to target individual TSA employees when they have a problem with the concept of the TSA as a whole. Those who think the TSA is so bad? Contact your congressman and stop complaining about every single personal experience you have at the checkpoints.
And Bob, it should not be your job to police private blogs on the internet.
- November 21, 2012 at 9:39 AM
- Anonymous said...
I'm a big fan of Steampunk everything and this isn't anything like Steampunk. It honestly looks like something that was built to either mess with TSA or can actually function, but Steampunk it is definitely not.
- November 21, 2012 at 9:40 AM
- SB said...
«McGann also explained that he had been travelling with his homemade watches for the past six months and even got a go ahead from the TSA in Los Angeles the first time he travelled with them.
"It is not a surprise that I got stopped by TSA...They are precarious looking watches. It's just they said it was alright if I put it in the bin," McGann said. "I knew I might be stopped sometime and that I might have to explain the watch as I did the first time I went to TSA months ago."»
So will the TSOs at every other airport through which McGann traveled be reprimanded for not calling over the cops?
Which one is it, Mr. Burns? Either the Oakland TSOs seriously overreacted, or the Los Angeles TSOs were remiss in their duty.
Oh, I get it: this is just another one of those random and unpredictable approaches the TSA uses to keep the terrorists on their toes.
I feel so much safer.
- November 21, 2012 at 9:52 AM
- SokoMan said...
Why was this passenger arrested?
If it was associated to the watch, and not his behavior, then every person with a fake grenade or anything similar must be arrested as well.
- November 21, 2012 at 10:08 AM
- Anonymous said...
This watch or anything similar to it, if considered art, belongs in an avant-garde museum, not in the possession of a airport passenger.
It is not cute or funny and I'd be scared if I saw it out in the open.
- November 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM
- Anonymous said...
Another word for this is Contraption- reminiscent of the Age of Invention. Creativity is an awesome and powerful thing but few inventors will consider how the device appears in an x-ray machine because they have been enamored with the true purpose of the device since it's inception in their mind. All well and good until we get to look at it from our perspective. I actually went weak in the knees one time from looking at an x-ray image of a....mouse trap. A brilliant idea but one that forced the shutdown of our airport for over 3 hours. Thank goodness it was just a mousetrap and not something designed for a more nefarious purpose.
Many of us were happy to go home that day with the realization it was just an honest oversight on the part of a well meaning inventor. Hugging your family after a day like that is an extra special moment. Good job Oakland!
- November 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM
- Anonymous said...
Sometimes I think People bring these type of things to see what the reaction will be. Think about it, there are so many morons that do the opposite of what normal would be their entire lives. They constantly create controversy, or make things as difficult as they possibly can. I was absolutely delighted to hear that this individual was arrested - now he can get the attention that he desires. The TSA has a hard enough job as it is without making it more difficult, and costly. If something is questionable, (if it looks like an explosive device, or similar) DECLARE it when you check in. Tell them what it is, and let them examine it right then and there. Same thing as a weapon. You can transport a weapon on an aircraft as long as you meet all the criteria for transporting it, and you DECLARE it--(it has to be in a proper container which is locked, and unloaded...etc.) Its easy, and it helps things to go a lot more smoothly. I'm sick and tired of people who keep slamming the TSA. They process millions of people every day, and most people do not have any problems being examined....unless they create them themselves. I, for one, would not want to get on an aircraft and have it explode in the air, nor would I want to have to face any other danger that some extremist, or mentally disturbed idiot has thought up to kill people. Use common sense and realize that these check points are specifically designed to keep us as safe as possible.
- November 21, 2012 at 10:33 AM
- RB said...
Just another TSA and Airport LEO screw up. Once the item was determined to not be a threat that should have been the end of this. Since we don't know what was said between TSA and the Airport police we don't know if TSA had any bearing on the person being arrested but I would be willing to bet a six pack that TSA was right in there pushing the issue. Since the DA decided to not press charges it is clear that nothing illegal happened.
Just another knock on the TSA Belt of Failures.
- November 21, 2012 at 10:42 AM
- Anonymous said...
Good call on the part of law enforcement in arresting the person who packed this so-called "watch". The perpetrator deserved to be arrested for trying to transport this item; what a fool. The watch is not even close to being considered a "steam punk" artistic item; it is too new to be considered "steampunk". It's more 1950s, mid-century modern than Victorian. With all the gadgets and attachments, it looks very suspicious and nefarious.
- November 21, 2012 at 10:47 AM
- N English said...
I think people need to quit trying to get attention and do the right thing. This is a different world and this type of stuff may be cool, but it's thoughtless. The TSA folks work everyday under a pressure that has nothing to do with terrorism, it's the public pressure from people who have nothing better to do than stir things up. All this person had to do was disclose this and make sure the agents knew what it was and where it was. Take a minute and put yourself in others shoes.
- November 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM
- Anonymous said...
There's stupid, and then there's REALLY STUPID.
- November 21, 2012 at 10:57 AM
- Jganem3 said...
Any owner or artist of this watch should have realize that it would trigger an alert by TSA. If it wasn't, then it should have been declared and cleared prior to the flight to avoid disruption. I am forever amazed at the foolishness of people who recognize that our airline system is constantly under alert, and yet try to bring onboard objects which are highly questionable. I guess you just can't cure stupid.
- November 21, 2012 at 11:57 AM
- Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
There's stupid, and then there's REALLY STUPID...... and finally there is TSA!
- November 21, 2012 at 12:08 PM
- Anonymous said...
Hey Bob, why did you fail to publish my comment where I asked whether the TSOs at LAX and every other airport that had no issue with this watch would be reprimanded?
- November 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM
- Anonymous said...
It's a watch with common equipment and automobile fuses, a throw switch and couple of wires sticking out. If a TSA specialist can't differentiate between operative and non operative configurations, can't identify common electronic components, and doesn't know minimum quantities of volatile substances necessary to present a credible threat to airline safety, I am very concerned. A watch that resembles a bomb is of less concern to me than a bomb that looks like a watch--or radio, etc.
The fact that local, untrained law enforcement made an arrest doesn't tell me anything except that the officer believed that a minimum standard had been met. It doesn't mean that the officer thought the watch to be a bomb, or even that the passenger had any nefarious intent.
The TSA should focus on passenger protection, not "proving" that they're doing a great job by advertising all the non-lethal items, and mere contraband that they seize.
I traveled through Oakland airport earlier this year and forgot to remove a folding tactical knife from my backpack. The bag went through screening without incident. "Catching" someone with a cool watch that could be taken for an explosive device at first glance in a particular environment (imagine seeing the watch on someone's arm at a party), but is quite obviously not one to trained eye (even in a low-resolution internet picture) doesn't make up for screening failures.
- November 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM
- TSORon said...
Interesting that RB was the only person to have a negative comment. Par for the course.
Why was the passenger arrested? Sorry, you would have to ask either the passenger or the law enforcement officer who made the decision. As Bob said, TSA does not have the authority to arrest people and therefore did not make the decision.
- November 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM
- Anonymous said...
For what it's worth: I saw "The Man With the Golden Gun" too. Thinking that TSA would not be able to thwart a well-planned operation for reasons I'm not going to identify. Needless to say, hypothesizing that the watch in this case is part of such a plot is ridiculous. Making a big show might deter some clown-terrorist wannabe, but at what cost to liberty.
The best argument for this behavior is: don't bring anything to an airport that will attract the attention of TSA. While logical as a request (TSA attention not taken by non-threats), harassing and arresting people for items that do not comprise a threat to airline safety goes against the idea of American liberty.
- November 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM
- Wintermute said...
Bob, even though it was a LEO (quit calling TSAgents "officers" and you might cut some of the confusion) who arrested the artist, the fact remains that it was a TSAgent who mis-identified the watch as dangerous and got the local LEO involved in the first place. It's another TSA mistake that the can push off on a scapegoat (the LEO).
FWIW, you'd have to be on crack to think the watch i question was dangerous. Isn't being on crack against TSA policy? Why was this TSAgent not reprimanded for being on crack? ;)
- November 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM
- Anonymous said...
SokoMan: if you carry a fake grenade into an airport, consider yourself lucky not to get shot. There's a big difference between facsimiles of lethal objects and items that can be mistaken for a lethal object. Where similarity is inherently obvious, you get what you get--probably arrested & charged with a crime. A bunch of headphones, an alarm clock, and some D-cell batteries in a backpack may look like an explosive device on x-ray of the bag, (and may be intentional) but you shouldn't get arrested--unless it's your 4th time and you've been warned 2 times. In-between can be hard to call, but TSA shouldn't be persecuting/prosecuting passengers without a strong showing that the passenger has done something illegal.
- November 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM
- Anonymous said...
"Is this watch dangerous? Not at all. However, we didn't know that"
You said it. TSOs are not qualified to identify whether or not something is dangerous. So, why do they exist?
- November 21, 2012 at 1:43 PM
- Susan Richart said...
Once again, Bob successfully moves a controversial thread down the page.
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- November 21, 2012 at 1:50 PM
- Anonymous said...
Can you please tell me when you will be posting about the 17 year old girl who had her breasts exposed at a checkpoint by one of your employees? I've read that TSA is blaming the girl for wearing a sundress, is this true? I have also read the officer received no punishment whatsoever, surely that cannot also be true?
- November 21, 2012 at 2:03 PM
- Anonymous said...
After clearing the watch, law enforcement officers (not TSA) made the decision to arrest the passenger.
With or without TSA pushing??
TSA officers do not have the power of arrest.
They are not "officers", either.
- November 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM
- Matt Bille said...
I've never found a reason to make a pro-TSA post (while I've personally had few problems with TSA, the agency's "he was just following orders" attitude toward misconduct by their personnel is sickening.) But if I'd been the screener i nthis case, there's no way I would have let this watch through. Even if it's proven no-threat, I would have insisted the guy put it in his bag to keep from freaking out other passengers. The arrest is a whole different thing: TSA doesn't arrest, but they certainly know more about the reason than thy are telling.
- November 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM
- daveca said...
Sad TSA is so uneducated or dishonest to claim this is a threat.
ITs just another round of "attack the victim"
These are electrical fuses and a toggle switch.
Whats basically wrong here on TSAs side, is the irrationality displayed.
What is the limit for liquid volume for carry-on items, is it 2-4 oz?
What is the internal volume of the items in the photo?
I know, I bet no one at TSA has the education to even figure it out.
Hollowed out, those items MIGHT be able to hold 1/2 - 1 oz liquid.
So then if the rationale for limiting liquid volumes is to limit the volume a container could hold of explosive substances, then items with less volume than that are not a hazard.
Education instead of hysteria.
Signed, Engineer who knows all about those pictured items...
- November 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM
- Anonymous said...
Blogger Bob said, "Please take a moment to think about what you're traveling with and how it might appear to TSA."
This is a very repressive statement when viewed as the latest entry to the Things NORMAL Healthy Young Middle-Class White American Males Wouldn't Wear List the TSA uses as their "The Only People Acceptable to Fly" policy.
Add "Modern art" to the growing list:
Underwire bras
Sequin tops
Large watches
Shoes with lifts
Shirts with political statements
Body jewelry (piercings)
Head covers
Long hair
Dark skin
Hair buns
Hair extensions
Artificial bones or joints
Medical devices of all kinds
Your bosses need to open their eyes and see the world the rest of us live in.
- November 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM
- Anonymous said...
ROTF at all of the TSAnonymous employees posting here. I hope you aren't doing it on work time!
- November 21, 2012 at 2:25 PM
- Anonymous said...
The passenger was probably arrested for disturbing the peace. Like shouting "fire" in a crowded movie theater, you can't bring a fake grenade to a high security checkpoint. It creates panic, and if there were no consequences, everyone would be screwing with the TSA. Who knows, maybe the person was stupid enough to declare it his "time-travelometer."
- November 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM
- Anonymous said...
Why would anyone be arrested for having something that isn't dangerous?
- November 21, 2012 at 2:41 PM
- Anonymous said...
So Bob, if the bomb detection team confirmed that there were no bomb making materials involved why was the man arrested?!?!
- November 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM
- Anonymous said...
How was this item deemed a threat at Oakland but not at LAX or any other airport where the passenger might have passed through a checkpoint?
- November 21, 2012 at 3:27 PM
- Tony said...
Enough with terrorists .... We don't want TSA security nor should the US taxpayers have to pay them. Airports should have their own security .
And FYI --- if someone wants to do something badly enough - they will do it, regardless of your petty patdowns and scanners
- November 21, 2012 at 3:34 PM
- Anonymous said...
I hope this passenger sues the pants off of you and the LEO. It's a watch. He made it and wanted to wear it, and knew it wasn't a threat to anyone. Yet you guys had him arrested (I can imagine, even if you can't do it personally, you're very persuasive with the actual cops) and now try to post this as a good find.
If I may quote Joseph Welch, "At long last, have you no sense of decency?"
- November 21, 2012 at 6:47 PM
- Mike Toreno said...
" I guess you just can't cure stupid."
Yes you can. You start firing people who don't pay attention during the training. Unfortunately, the TSA doesn't do that.
- November 21, 2012 at 9:41 PM
- Mike Toreno said...
"There's stupid, and then there's REALLY STUPID."
And then there's TSA clerks.
What would stop things like this from happening is if the TSA would quit telling the clerks they are on the "front lines" of anything. Telling this to the clerks inflates their sense of self-importance and causes them to look for danger that isn't really there.
If you would tell the clerks that their job is to study the list of IDs and recognize the IDs when they see them, and to look at the X-ray and pay attention, you wouldn't have problems like this.
The main thing you need to emphasize is that an explosive device requires explosive. Nothing that doesn't have any explosive is an explosive device.
- November 21, 2012 at 9:46 PM
- The Wildcard said...
By the information presented here, the arrest appears to be completely uncalled for.
Having served in the US military for over 11 years now, I little bit about security and potentials threats. I have no problem with the TSA questioning anything they come across. I do have a huge problem with the training and technology that is employed. Few TSA agents I've encountered have impressed upon me they have any greater skills or talent that most that work at McDonalds (generic choice for example). One generally doesn't need any greater abilities to join the military, BUT the key different is the amount of training and technology employed.
Logically, if the TSA is to function effectively, and not just exist as a feel-good entity for the general public and poor use of federal funds, it must step up and become more relevant. Extensive training, at least one explosives and firearms expert at every airport, and the analytical technology on-site to makes these calls fast and effectively.
That said, passenger must know before they leave their last place of preparation for travel, what could raise concern and cause delays. Passengers are ultimately responsable for complying with federal air travel safety regulations, but those that don't travel this way often can legitimately be unaware of what will cause problems and have a lot to think about already surrounding their travel. ALL airline should be alerting passagers of current TSA (and their own) restrictions and guidelines for a hassle-free experience. This should occur at the time of ticket purchase and within 12 hours of the flight. With most people handling travel arrangements online and with smartphone applications, this is an easy and little to no-cost solution to implement. I almost suggested creating your an app to aid with this, but then I realized I've never checked and you very well may have one. I just checked, and indeed the TSA has -- what appears to be -- a fairly extensive app (I could be wrong since it's downloading as I type this). This brings up a good point that the airlines should also recommend and provide links to the TSA's website and app for ADDITIONAL information.
Not directly related, but the TSA should be apart of the Dept. of Homeland Security (as I'm aware--didn't see otherwise on the TSA website). I'm sure there is some significant funds that could be saved there from redundant expenses, and maintain better operational support and communication.
- November 22, 2012 at 2:40 AM
- Bankimkumar Jani said...
Although no explosives were found or wired with watch, one can see that the watch was wired and can easily be connected with the remote bomb that can explode at any time within a minute, TSA did right in arresting the person who was carrying the same with him.
By interrogating him TSA can find out probable link / probable threat of terror and can save an american life
- November 22, 2012 at 3:32 AM
- Anonymous said...
"Terrorists take everyday items and attempt to manipulate them to make improvised explosive devices."
What terrorists? Certainly no 'terrorist' that has attempted an attack on commercial aviation in my lifetime has used everyday items to make an IED, so I have no idea what you are talking about. This is like saying, "Unicorns eat watercress sandwiches."
- November 22, 2012 at 11:45 AM
- TSORon said...
Mike Toreno said...
[[The main thing you need to emphasize is that an explosive device requires explosive. Nothing that doesn't have any explosive is an explosive device.]]
Mike, every improvised explosive device on the planet must have as an absolute minimum 3 components. Explosive, an "Initiator", and a means of causing the Initiator to set off the explosives. The watch in question had 2 components of a 4 component device, and it was obvious that the watch had been tampered with, possibly toward that goal. The other 2 needed components for a 4 part IED could have been anywhere, literally. Denying the terrorist any one of the 4 components means that they will not achieve their goal, a goal we all know far too much about already.
Once again it seems that the knowledge of the average poster to this blog, on this particular subject, has been overestimated. I hope I have been able to provide some light on the issue for you, and from it you have gained a greater understand of the complexity of our task.
- November 22, 2012 at 5:22 PM
- Anonymous said...
For all you TSA agents out there, keep doing what you do best and don't take any of these poeple serious in this blog. Because most likely, everyone who complains about you doing your job, are the same people who complain about the Police until their lives are threatened.
- November 22, 2012 at 6:46 PM
- Anonymous said...
@Mike Toreno and all you other complainers.
Why don't you do some real research instead of listening to your friends about what TSA is doing. If you actually took the time to read real news about the potential threat towards the United States transportation systems, you would see why TSA does what they do. Did you ever think for a minute why America has not had a successful threat toward their transportation systems in 10 years? Did you ever research how many threats have been stopped in that time? It is obvious you haven't.
- November 22, 2012 at 6:58 PM
- Anonymous said...
I believe passengers could have more effectively dealt with an unruly passenger than TSA.
- November 22, 2012 at 7:25 PM
- Anonymous said...
Under normal circumstances nearly everything that the TSA does in the name of security pisses me off. However, it's STUPIDITY to wear a piece of jewelry such as it was to a place with tight, over-zealous security and expect to have no problems. I dress myself to go through airport security in order to avoid foreseeable issues (such as being stopped because my watch looks like a bomb). It may have been apparent to some that the watch was harmless, but I don't think that I'd take the time to carefully inspect something that even marginally resembled a bomb. And I don't expect the TSA to be explosive experts, that's why they have a bomb squad.
- November 23, 2012 at 12:49 AM
- Rich Smith said...
I suspect that TSA may advertise detaining passengers for carrying items that trigger additional screening, causing them to divert resources away from other passengers. Harassing passengers is not a good answer--it pisses people off.
A better solution is to provide specific guidelines for how to pack luggage and carry-on items so as to make TSA screening quick & easy. For passengers who routinely carry items that require additional screening, provide a designated queue for advanced screening. Providing notice to passengers well before their flight that they will need to go through advance screening, and allowing those passengers to make an appointment in advance, would keep them from shutting down routine screening lines while allowing TSA to conduct a thorough screening with personnel having advance training. Passengers going through routine screening could be diverted when a concern arises. The advance screening queue could screen regular passengers when not performing advance screenings.
Having a process to divert problematic items away from routine screening lanes would reduce TSA and passenger stress while providing for more secure travel. Only passengers requiring advance screening who don't have appointments would experience delays caused by unexpected events.
As long as TSA doesn't make advance screening punitive or unduly time consuming, passengers are less likely to complain, there would be fewer delays, and deter clowniness by not allowing clowns to put on a show in front of passengers waiting to be screened. TSA should offer transparency for this process and videorecord screening and offer a copy to passengers that request a copy within a reasonable period after screening. With videorecording, when someone claims rape or abuse, the recording can be reviewed and appropriate action taken.
- November 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM
- Anonymous said...
You are what is wrong with the world
- November 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM
- Wintermute said...
TSORon mispoke...
"Mike, every improvised explosive device on the planet must have as an absolute minimum 3 components. Explosive, an "Initiator", and a means of causing the Initiator to set off the explosives. The watch in question had 2 components of a 4 component device, and it was obvious that the watch had been tampered with, possibly toward that goal. The other 2 needed components for a 4 part IED could have been anywhere, literally. Denying the terrorist any one of the 4 components means that they will not achieve their goal, a goal we all know far too much about already. "
Ummm... So, is it 3 required components, or 4? Also, ANY watch fits your definition. FWIW, a single cigarette makes a great fuse, so anyone carrying cigarettes must be a terrorist. After all, the lighting mechanism could be literally anywhere.
"Once again it seems that the knowledge of the average poster to this blog, on this particular subject, has been overestimated. I hope I have been able to provide some light on the issue for you, and from it you have gained a greater understand of the complexity of our task."
And once again, TSORon stoops to insults. Someone within the TSA must have the authority to tell him he's better off not saying anything at all if all he's going to do is make matters worse. Or, if he's posting on his own time and not in an official capacity, to remove TSO from his handle.
- November 24, 2012 at 10:33 AM
- Anonymous said...
Definitely! The bad guys are trained to not show any suspicious behavior, and the US cannot take any chances. Nowdays, we are not going to profile, the US haters can be anyone. Also if you don't want to raise any suspicious, don't travel with this type of gadgets. TSA has done a good job!
- November 24, 2012 at 10:51 AM
- Anonymous said...
TSORon said...
every improvised explosive device on the planet must have as an absolute minimum 3 components. Explosive, an "Initiator", and a means of causing the Initiator to set off the explosives. The watch in question had 2 components of a 4 component device
So, the watch had 2 of the 4 components of a 3 component device?
No wonder the TSA is having trouble- it's employees can't even handle numbers up to 4.
Denying the terrorist any one of the 4 components means that they will not achieve their goal
Unfortunately for your point, ANY watch with an alarm function can be used in an IED. Even a watch that looks (and indeed IS) perfectly normal. To 'deny terrorists' that part of an IED, ALL people wearing watches must be stopped at the checkpoint. Do you do that? of course not.
- November 24, 2012 at 3:46 PM
- Anonymous said...
"...Did you ever think for a minute why America has not had a successful threat toward their transportation systems in 10 years? Did you ever research how many threats have been stopped in that time? It is obvious you haven't."
Why, yes. Yes I have thought about those very two questions.
Funny thing is, TSA isn't usually the answer I come up with.
And in researching the threats that have been stopped by the TSA, I can't find any. To date TSA has not caught a single terrorist. TSA has not prevented anything or anyone from taking down a plane because no one has tried to take down a plane since the TSA took over security.
Well, a couple of attempts have been made on aircraft, but TSA had nothing to do with the failure of those attempts. In fact, it was the passengers and crew that prevented anything serious from happening to the flights in question.
- November 24, 2012 at 10:50 PM
- Anonymous said...
Funny thing is, in the late 1990's, I used to deliver baked goods to the PHL airport, and also some bad parts of philly. One day, I forgot my knife was still in my boot when I went into the airport. I got past security with a 12" double blade knife stuffed in my boot going through airport security. ( keep in mind, it was an accident). TSA would have found it had it happened today. There is a fine line between privacy and true safety, you can't have both.
- November 29, 2012 at 2:35 PM
- Wintermute said...
Anonymous said...
Funny thing is, in the late 1990's, I used to deliver baked goods to the PHL airport, and also some bad parts of philly. One day, I forgot my knife was still in my boot when I went into the airport. I got past security with a 12" double blade knife stuffed in my boot going through airport security. ( keep in mind, it was an accident). TSA would have found it had it happened today. There is a fine line between privacy and true safety, you can't have both.
With a failure rate of ~70%, there's a good chance it could have still slipped through somehow... Especially if you noticed it while removing your boots and actually attempted to conceal it to get it through.
- December 1, 2012 at 11:01 AM
- punk jewelry for men said...
This watch or anything similar to it, if considered art, belongs in an avant-garde museum, not in the possession of a airport passenger.
It is not cute or funny and I'd be scared if I saw it out in the open.
- November 21, 2014 at 2:40 AM
- Connor said...
To me, that steampunk watch that you're referring to actually looks like a weapon of some sort. This would legitimately scare people in public.
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Uniclic Patented Technology makes laminate installation quick and easy. Learn more about our premier glueless locking system.more info
You can transform any room in your home instantly with one of our luxurious, chic, and durable area rugs. more info
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Mohawk Home features area rugs, accent rugs, bath rugs, utility mats, doormats and rug pads. It is easier than ever for customers to create a space that is a unique extension of their personality.
Discover new ways to transform your home into the your dream space through a delightful home tour.more info
Mohawk Home area rugs, accent rugs, bath rugs, utility mats, doormats and rug pads are available at most of your local retail stores. more info
Our Style editor has hand picked the seasons hottest and trendiest designs to fit any style. From bold bright damasks to popular medallions, this is the spot to find your new rug!more info
Aladdin Commercial is a comprehensive Mainstreet Commercial program built specifically to provide customers the right flooring solutions for any end use application.
Retailers vote Aladdin Commercial carpet the winner of National Floor Trends' 2011 Styling Excellence Award. more info
With Aladdin Commercial's cross-functional versatility, customers can use products in a variety of applications. more info
Aladdin Commercial and Mohawk are firmly committed to responsible environmental stewardship. more info
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