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Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Small Pocket Knives and Sporting Goods Items
185 comments:
- SSSS for some reason said...
Just out of curiosity... what makes a molded grip on a knife dangerous?
- March 5, 2013 at 5:43 PM
- Anonymous said...
Toys such as bats, hockey sticks and such should be checked only. There's no reason to bring them into the cabin of the plane. You should stop all carry on and overhead storeage.
- March 5, 2013 at 5:43 PM
- Unknown said...
I am confused about the no molded grip on small bladed knife policy.
The example image located here: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GpOhCOv9Lis/UTZcEMnsYiI/AAAAAAAACnQ/bn1G0Rt7tP8/s1600/2+TSA_Permitted+Items+final_Page_3.jpg depicts allowed knifes which have molded plastic grips.(Knifes 1,2,4 and 6)
Could you please post a clarification.
- March 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM
- Anonymous said...
All these items can be use as a weapon, I don't get the change in rules?
- March 5, 2013 at 6:20 PM
- USAF93 said...
I wouldn't own a knife that doesn't lock open. I thought I saw a shimmer of hope in what TSA was doing but alas...not so much.
- March 5, 2013 at 6:36 PM
- USAF93 said...
I wouldn't own a knife that doesn't lock open. I thought when I saw the headline of this article that there was a shimmer of hope in what TSA was doing.....alas, not so much.
- March 5, 2013 at 6:38 PM
- RB said...
If getting in line with ICAO is a TSA goal then why are we still removing shoes and submitting to electronic strip searches?
- March 5, 2013 at 6:41 PM
- Anonymous said...
So now we can have the TSO's open knives to see how long the blade is? Last I knew that is the only way you can tell, seems that we may have a lot of claims for knife cuts.
- March 5, 2013 at 6:42 PM
- Anonymous said...
We should get rid of LGA's so we can really focus on IED
- March 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM
- Anonymous said...
A small knife is fine. Attempt to bring a bottle of water through security, though, and well, that makes you a threat.
- March 5, 2013 at 7:22 PM
- Anonymous said...
Take the bus.
- March 5, 2013 at 7:26 PM
- Anonymous said...
How about a box cutter or utility knife, without a blade present?
- March 5, 2013 at 7:39 PM
- Anonymous said...
So--has the Tsa ever found anything explosive, or detonators, or anything capable of bringing down an aircraft. I don't want to bring down the wrath of god on me here but if I go into a lavatory with my allowable lighter and a small bottle of allowable cognac and all that toilet tissue
am I not a risk????
- March 5, 2013 at 7:48 PM
- Anonymous said...
of course they wont stop all carryons, they are ripping us off charging for luggage. NO reason to allow pocket knives on an airliner.
TSA needs to be changed to a private operation, get rid of the delays at airports
- March 5, 2013 at 8:14 PM
- Anonymous said...
Thank you TSA for bringing some sense into this and allowing these items.
- March 5, 2013 at 8:22 PM
- Brookfield said...
I agree w/Anonymous, bats, hockey sticks, and anything that could be used as a weapon should not be allowed in the plane cabin. Nothing was said about scissors, are they allowed?
- March 5, 2013 at 9:22 PM
- David Lanteigne said...
The illustration "Knives Allowed" is misleading and/or contradictory in regard to the standard Swiss Army Knife (Victorinox.) The blade (i.e., the sharp part) is 6cm length, but the illustration shows the measurement starting below the blade where the tang emerges from the body of the knife. An inspector who measures in accord with this diagram will take your knife.
- March 5, 2013 at 9:25 PM
- John - Frequent Traveller said...
Thank you for this update. I have had to surrender a small non-locking Swiss-army knife at the security gate in the past. I use them for personal grooming, to cut loose threads, open letters, etc., when travelling. I am glad you can allow us this little travelling convenience and thank you again for taking the time to reconsider your position on very small knives. I very much appreciate this new position.
- March 5, 2013 at 10:02 PM
- Anonymous said...
So I take it that Box Cutters are OK?
- March 5, 2013 at 10:11 PM
- Sarge said...
You could go back to pre-9/11 rules if the airlines would just hire retiring NFL linemen and NHL "enforcers" as cabin attendants.
- March 5, 2013 at 10:12 PM
- Anonymous said...
So, just bring the grip as a separate item to the pocket knife? Got it.
- March 5, 2013 at 11:05 PM
- Anonymous said...
Yet I can still only carry 3 ounces of shampoo.
- March 5, 2013 at 11:52 PM
- Anonymous said...
What about multi-tools like Leatherman and Gerber tools? There is no mention, so I assume if the blades are 2.36" or less, and 1/2" wide or less, they are fine?
BTW, who is clown telling us not to carry anything onboard? Who do you think you are? If you don't want me to carry my duffle and laptop, you know where to go! It makes me sick that people like this care so much about what others are doing. You libs and do-gooders are ruining are nation. Keep your yap shut, mind your business, and don't look at me. If you can't handle that, drive your Subaru to your destination. Leave the rest of us alone!!
- March 6, 2013 at 12:13 AM
- Anonymous said...
I strongly disagree with your decision to permit small knives in carry-ons after April 25. I find it hard to understand why you are permitting passengers to pack knives. I think sticking with your stricter carry on policies have been successful overall since 9/11, and I'm willing to wait in longer lines that take longer to feel safe. I do not feel safe knowing knives of any size are going to be permitted.
- March 6, 2013 at 12:55 AM
- Anonymous said...
Whats important is there is no reason you should have any of these "tools" on here anyway, bottom line, just get all this stuff checked in with your luggage and you don't have to worry about the specific rules.
- March 6, 2013 at 4:45 AM
- Susan Richart said...
"So I take it that Box Cutters are OK?
March 5, 2013 at 10:11 PM"
Regarding box cutters and razor blades, Pistole said:
"The sensitivity to those who were attacked on 9/11 still resonates strongly," Pistole said. "There's just too much emotion associated with them, particularly the box cutters."
So now the USA is operating "security" based on emotion, not reality.
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- March 6, 2013 at 7:47 AM
- Anonymous said...
Wow...some common sense is shown by the TSA. Although the restrictions on knives is probably going to cause knives that are permitted to be confiscated.
Now you just need to remove or lessen the liquid restrictions. There is no reason for bottles of water, shampoo, and toothpaste to be banned. It makes no sense that a larger bottle of water is banned, but several small bottles are permitted. It's the same volume of liquid.
- March 6, 2013 at 8:33 AM
- Anonymous said...
Can someone please explain to me why 2 Golf Clubs are not a threat, but 3 are? This is a BAD IDEA and I'm glad the Flight Attendants at Southwest are putting up a fight. I hope more do.
- March 6, 2013 at 8:38 AM
- Jim Barber said...
OK, Why two golf clubs? Are 14 clubs weapons but a nine iron and a driver not? I don't get it.
- March 6, 2013 at 9:09 AM
- Anonymous said...
The greatest weapon mankind has is the mind; improvised weapons are nothing new. Small knives can't reach vitals, but box cutters can? Egads...Can't believe they're letting clubs on the plane, either; how do I fit my caddy in my carry-on?!?
- March 6, 2013 at 9:32 AM
- Anonymous said...
That's nice. Now, how many countries require all passengers to remove their shoes for a TSA-style shoe carnival? How many countries use dangerous, untested naked body scanners for primary screening?
- March 6, 2013 at 9:35 AM
- Anonymous said...
Glad for this minor improvement to the rules, since I always carry a pocketknife, and it's inconvenient to have to check it when I fly.
I hope the rest of the TSA nonsense (removal of shoes & light jackets, porno scanners, sexual assault pat-downs and liquid ban) will be next to go.
- March 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM
- Anonymous said...
Agreed...no reason to have ANY of these "weapon like" items on board aircrapt...PERIOD!! LOL...but I guess it's easier to bring a plane down with 3.1 oz of shampoo than one of these items! Very sad!!!
- March 6, 2013 at 10:48 AM
- Anonymous said...
To those who do not like TSA's new rule, are really so afraid of a little knife or whiffle bat or a golf club? Do you have any of these items in your home? Do you visit homes or businesses where these items may exist?
Is it that you are scared someone will attack you personally?
The TSA policies and procedures are not in place to keep you personally safe from all dangers from attack by anyone. The guy sitting behind you could take his laptop and bash you in the head, and the TSA wouldn't be responsible at all.
Or is it that somehow a "bad guy" with a pocketknife or golf club will crash a plane?
The TSA policies and procedures are in place to make people feel like there is less of a chance of a "bad guy" crashing a plane. Knives (and guns!) have been getting on planes for the past twelve years. Did they take any plane down? No.
Someone with a pocketknife, whiffle bat, souvenir bat, golf club, or lacrosse stick won't get through a hardened, locked cockpit door. This same person is going to face 100-200 very scared, very angry passengers and flight staff who will NOT let some "bad guy" crash the plane.
The people actually on the plane are who are keeping planes safe from "bad guys," not a bunch of TSA screeners on the ground.
- March 6, 2013 at 11:01 AM
- Anonymous said...
I travel twice a month, and just don't understand how sealed wataer bottles, cream cheese and liquid restrictions make any sense---wouldn't 3 liquid ounces of hydrochloric acid cripple attendants, couldn't use wrench the side off a table and use that metal as a weapon.
I can carry on my 14 inch metal knitting needles which could skewer anybody---but cream cheese is dangerous???
- March 6, 2013 at 11:03 AM
- A. B. said...
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- March 6, 2013 at 11:34 AM
- Anonymous said...
Can I bring my little 1.5" letter opener with a "fixed" blade? It is fixed in a little tab of plastic but I fear it will be excluded because it does not pivot.
- March 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM
- Anonymous said...
Anyone with any knowledge of airline security can tell you it is simply a false sence of security to a great degree. That said no explosive has brought down an airplane in the recent past but small knives in the form of box cutters has. It makes no sence to allow them on board. In a phone call to TSA the representative could not give any explanation of why this measure has been relaxed. I think it is time we demand replacement of Mr. John S Pistole, head of tsa, before he allows even less intellegent security measures in the future.
- March 6, 2013 at 12:00 PM
- Anonymous said...
"...That said no explosive has brought down an airplane in the recent past but small knives in the form of box cutters has..."
Now that we have secured cockpit doors and a plane full of passengers who will fight back, box cutters aren't going to get a terrorist far....
I intentionally did not include the crew among those who will fight back because flight attendant unions' responses to relaxing the knife and sports equipment restrictions suggest that flight attendants as a class will cower at the sight of a wielded pocket knife rather than fight back. I do not think that all flight attendants are so faint-hearted, but the unions are speaking for all of them. I am quite dismayed to see such timidity and unfounded fear from those who have safety responsibilities on board....
- March 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM
- Anonymous said...
Lifting these restrictions is sensible (though I, too, wonder why someone traveling with golf clubs would have only two of them). Now let's see the restrictions on liquids lifted, end of the shoes-off policy, the end of the body scanners (some of which emit unknown levels of radiation and all of which take invasive photos of passengers' naked bodies), and the end of the enhanced patdowns (i.e., the groping). Let's go back to pre-9/11 security or make the PreCheck approach (with some revisions) the default for all passengers. Let's see some real risk assessment.
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- March 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM
- SSSS for some reason said...
First.... seriously! What makes molded grip more dangerous?
And then...
".. I do not feel safe knowing knives of any size are going to be permitted."
Maybe you are the kind that should stick to the roads and leave air travel to the adults who can understand the risk-vs-benefit analysis that modern living requires. If people with pocket knives are so scary why aren't the people with scissors equally scary? The scissors are probably more deadly to you.
- March 6, 2013 at 1:48 PM
- Anonymous said...
I agree that this makes little sense and that those things do not need to be carried on board. However, it would make sense to allow shampoo/water and lip gloss.
As far as the guy above who thinks he should be allowed to carry his duffle on board - why? It only takes more time to load the plane and I see more and more people bringing bigger and bigger "duffles".
I won't check my laptop because of the risk of damage by the guys loading the plane when they throw it to wherever it's supposed to end up, but it is in a regular laptop case - approximately the size of a briefcase.
- March 6, 2013 at 1:56 PM
- Anonymous said...
Why the delay until April 25th? The ICAO standard was published in 2003.
- March 6, 2013 at 2:21 PM
- Anonymous said...
So now you're allowing sharp knives... Yet I can't bring a bottle of water or a large bottle of cologne through security? Very logical...
- March 6, 2013 at 2:24 PM
- Anonymous said...
Ridiculous! Why is it necessary to allow knives in the cabin??! Stupidity!!
- March 6, 2013 at 3:13 PM
- Anonymous said...
Small knife is even more dangerous. Because you might not know he has the knife in the customer custody. I think no weapon is better. Small or big they are all weapon.
- March 6, 2013 at 4:12 PM
- Anonymous said...
How about we let my wife bring on knitting needles again? Keps her calm which makes my life happier. Seriously, no one is gonna hijack an airplane with knitting needles.
- March 6, 2013 at 5:03 PM
- Eclectic Breakfast said...
The devil is in the details...
Your announcement says, and poster illustrates, "Small Novelty Bats and Toy Bats," but the rule says bats under 24 inches in length, or more than 24 inches in length but weighing less than 24 ounces are permitted. Bats under 24 inches in length but of any weight are permitted? Say a 23 inch long bat made of solid steel? Quite the novelty indeed. Bats longer than 24 inches that weigh less than 24 ounces are permitted? The Combat B4 Portent -8 32" 24 oz for example? http://www.combatsportsgroup.com/combat/pg_GearProduct.php?int_ProductId=185 Batter up!
Only two golf clubs are permitted. Are an unlimited number of Bats, Ski Poles, Hockey Sticks, Lacrosse Sticks, and Billiard Cues permitted?
- March 6, 2013 at 5:06 PM
- Anonymous said...
Are hiking poles treated the same way as ski poles, or will they still be banned?
- March 6, 2013 at 5:31 PM
- Anonymous said...
This is poor judgement on TSA's part. One can take a small knife and other now approved objects on board, but not allowed to get a sealed bottle of H2O through the checkpoint. What are you thinking? The safety of flight crew and fellow passengers more at risk from these objects that a bottle of water. Why would you need any of these newly approved items in the cabin with you? If you do, you're probably up to no good and should be on the no-fly list. Keep it in your checked bags.
- March 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM
- Anonymous said...
The policy change is simple common sense. Key-chain size Swiss Army knives and such are not any more dangerous than other things which are already allowed, and they can be very useful. I'm happy to see that travelers who want to carry a small tool no longer have to check their bags and pay the airline a fee for the privilege. I'm even happier to see more and more risk based analysis from the TSA. Evaluating and re-evaluating risks, threats, and remediations is the way to go.
- March 6, 2013 at 8:50 PM
- Anonymous said...
I can understand the swiss army knifes and their multi-too brethren.
I can understand novelty bats, the little tiny ones handed out at baseball games.
But the other items, golf clubs, and the like. I mean I don't see where one will put it. Considering the size restrictions on carry on bags, make it impossible to carry a golf club in a bag, to put in overhead storage.
- March 6, 2013 at 10:31 PM
- Anonymous said...
I don't get how this is better. This makes everything much worse. ALL of the items CAN be used as weapons.
I strongly disagree with this act so I signed the petition to stop TSA's decision. PLEASE sign the petition on whitehouse.gov titled "Keep Knives Off the Plane. Block Transportation Security Administration Policy Decision to Accept Pre-9/11 Weapons" to try to stop TSA from allowing these weapons.
- March 6, 2013 at 10:32 PM
- Author X 303 said...
Honestly, I have been reading the comments and alot of people have been saying "Toys such as bats, hockey sticks, and such should be chekced only. There's no reason to bring them into the cabin of the plane ...." Well to be honest, and we all know this as travelers. BAGAGGE CARRIERS THROUGHT THINGS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY HOLD, UNLESS IT IS PROPERLY DOCUMENTED! One aqquanticen of mine had his hockey sticks broken when he went to Minnesota for a hcokey tourtment, another aqquanticne also had his golf clubs broken when he was going to Pebble Beach. Seehsh I think that the TSA is doing all of us sports-loving-good-carers -of-equitment type of people.
- March 6, 2013 at 11:03 PM
- Author X 303 said...
"Now you just need to remove or lessen the liquid restrictions. There is no reason for bottles of water, shampoo, and toothpaste to be banned. It makes no sense that a larger bottle of water is banned, but several small bottles are permitted. It's the same volume of liquid.
March 6, 2013 at 8:33 AM"
Listen buddy, we had terrorists come from Britain who tried to blow up a plane over the US with liquids, lucky MI5 watched them and foiled there plots.
The three men where carrying about three quarts of explosives on them THAT WAS CONCEALED IN SODA MIXTURE AND ACTUALLY NEVER OPENED THE BOTTLE! So TSA cannot be leanant with liquids, if you haven't noticed that we have made soo many enemies in the last few centureis.
- March 6, 2013 at 11:07 PM
- tramky said...
Well, this is certainly an interesting change. Guess the airlines don't like it, though, so this will NOT be happening. And how is it that Federal Air Marshals were NOT previously consulted in this decisionmaking process? Bizarre--and that's only the half of it.
The real problem with all this security stuff is that these absurd security checkpoints were established AFTER most of the airports in the world were designed & build.
So we are separated from our checked baggage WAY before we get to a security checkpoint. That luggage and other stuff is down in the bowels of the airport when you get to security checkpoints. That is where you personal possessions are stolen by TSA agents if they don't sync up with their policies and rules. The chance that you could put such items into your checked baggage has been removed as an option because of the physical and procedural security design of airports around the world. It is absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable to have ANYTHING like this confiscated by TSA agents because there is no other place to put them.
There is another problem--the physical, functional design of aircraft interiors. One way to avoid this unacceptable confiscation issue is to have a place--a quickly accessible place--to place such items without having them go into the cargo holds, but that can be secured by the cabin crew.
I've had pocketknives travel in my pocket across the U.S. a few times, never found by TSA security and forgotten by me. And I've had one pocketknife stolen from me at SFO, the same knife that had traveled in my pocket and had passed through TSA security checkpoints previously--I've even had that knife, on one previous occasion, looked at by a TSA agent and actually handed to me--hand to hand--by that agent as he said "OK,that's good."
- March 6, 2013 at 11:12 PM
- Anonymous said...
but I still can't carry on my bottle of water that's never been opened???? seriously - you'll allow weapons (think you can't hurt someone with a golf club?) but not water. and to anonymous - stop all carry ons? you going to pay the extra baggage fees and replace broken souvenirs for everyone? the airlines won't!
- March 7, 2013 at 6:44 AM
- Anonymous said...
As a crew member I am really upset with this change. They say it's so they can focus on more important things like explosives and this will speed up the line. Tell me this before when they found a knife the just threw it into the no go box. Now they must measure it and if it's on the borderline call for a second person to come check it out. That will make it worse.I also have a problem with the liquids rule..liquids can be bad on a plane. But if you have a boarding pass you can go through sec. twenty times with your 3oz bottle now you have 60oz or if a team of terriorst go through they can just put the liquids together on the otherside... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. TSA is a waste of US tax dollars and only in place to give false security to the flying public..
- March 7, 2013 at 8:56 AM
- Anonymous said...
Why is it taking several weeks to make this change? Shouldn't this be able to go into effect in a week or two, if not sooner? A knife is a knife, no matter if it is 4/24 or 4/25. Except on 4/25 it is allowed on the plane.
I think the rules for allowable knives is needlessly complicated. It should just be based on blade length and possibly width. Common sense should dictate that a pocket knife is acceptable but a Crocodile Dundee knife is not.
- March 7, 2013 at 9:50 AM
- Wintermute said...
Susan Richart said...
So now the USA is operating "security" based on emotion, not reality.
Has the TSA operated any other way?
- March 7, 2013 at 9:56 AM
- Anonymous said...
Call me old fashioned, but I believe all men should always have a pocketknife on them. It's a tool useful for countless things besides protection. Remember when you could get a metal knife with a 1" blade out of a gumball machine for a quarter? If it were up to me, I'd allow a 3" locking blade on planes, just like they used to. How many millions of people flew with those without any trouble?
It wasn't just box cutters that brought those planes down: it was easy access to the cockpit along with the fact that we had been trained to cooperate with hijackers rather than shove a good ol' sharpened #2 pencil right in their jugular. Good thing they still allow 8-inch pencils on board.
- March 7, 2013 at 9:58 AM
- Anonymous said...
After so many years of doing a good job (no more 9/11 type problems or threats to our air safety) ----- why do you have to compromise our safety now ?? I agree with the person who posted this comment "I think it is time we demand replacement of Mr. John S Pistole, head of tsa, before he allows even less intelligent security measures in the future."
- March 7, 2013 at 10:59 AM
- Anonymous said...
I am thrilled that I don't have to remember to remove the tiny knife from my keychain when I travel! Thanks, TSA, for small kindnesses.
I wish the rules allowed 4" blades (which would include most common pocket knives) and dull food-oriented blades, like butter knives and cheese knives. I assume those are still verboten since they have fixed handles. The whole knife ban seems silly. Ever since reinforcing the door to the cabin, knives haven't been a risk to an airplane. Even large knives are really no riskier on an airplane than in the mall, or on the street, or at a restaurant.
But even a very small knife is good enough to tend to the hangnails that dry airplane air tends to cause. So this will greatly improve my comfort when I travel, and will reduce the number I trips where I have to check a bag.
- March 7, 2013 at 11:05 AM
- Anonymous said...
I don't agree. People can still threaten passengers' and flight attendants with small knives. It doesn't take an expert to know where to cut a persons throat, or stab a person even with a small knife. This is not a good move in a better direction. I think TSA needs to make some deeper considerations before going forward with this idea.
- March 7, 2013 at 11:13 AM
- Anonymous said...
I was really scared to fly, and it has taken me so long to get used to the idea of having some sense of security on the plane, regarding the surrounding passengers'. A weapon is a weapon I don't care how small or big, and I don't appreciate the whole "fen for yourself attitude" regarding passengers and airline stewards. I am glad the stewards union is fighting this along with the air marshals. I don't understand why the pilots union has agreed to this, it's decision to support it is shameful to those who passed on 911.
- March 7, 2013 at 11:48 AM
- Anonymous said...
I am thrilled that I don't have to remember to remove the tiny knife from my keychain when I travel! Thanks, TSA, for small kindnesses.
I wish the rules allowed 4" blades (which would include most common pocket knives) and dull food-oriented blades, like butter knives and cheese knives. I assume those are still verboten since they have fixed handles. The whole knife ban seems silly. Ever since reinforcing the door to the cabin, knives haven't been a risk to an airplane. Even large knives are really no riskier on an airplane than in the mall, or on the street, or at a restaurant.
But even a very small knife is good enough to tend to the hangnails that dry airplane air tends to cause. So this will greatly improve my comfort when I travel, and will reduce the number I trips where I have to check a bag.
- March 7, 2013 at 12:04 PM
- Anonymous said...
I completelty agree with this comment: I strongly disagree with your decision to permit small knives in carry-ons after April 25. I find it hard to understand why you are permitting passengers to pack knives. I think sticking with your stricter carry on policies have been successful overall since 9/11, and I'm willing to wait in longer lines that take longer to feel safe. I do not feel safe knowing knives of any size are going to be permitted.
I'm not allowed to bring a sealed bottle of water on a plane but one can carry a knife? Unbelieveable.
- March 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM
- Rachel said...
Wow. I thought TSA was here for our security, but now, as a flight attendant, if someone wants to take over, they can just slit my throat, hit me with a two foot bat or bust my face up with a golf club? Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. Sign the petition to have this banned...
- March 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM
- RB said...
A. B. said...
Please Sign My Petition to Reverse the TSA's New Policy Allowing Pocket Knives, Golf Clubs, and Pool Cues on Airplanes:
Oh heck NO.
Small knives are not a significant threat especially given that TSA allows airport workers to bring anything they want inside the secure area.
I do question why TSA would allow a 9 iron in the cabin of an airplane and we have all seen what kind of damage a hockey stick can do but overall this is a step in the right direction.
What we need now is a sensible screening policy that allows water and such and lets people keep their clothes on during screening.
The only thing that should be banned from airports are TSA employees. They are a greater threat to my safety than anyone else.
- March 7, 2013 at 4:09 PM
- Anonymous said...
Lots of people misunderstanding the situation here. What has changed is locked, reinforced cockpit doors and better cockpit crew training has made sure that hijackers are not going to be able to use sharp objects to force their way into the cockpit. They won't be able to get the door open on their own, and the pilots aren't going to open it for anything, not after September 11, even if a terrorist is threatening to slit a flight attendant's throat if they don't open the door. A large, strong, well trained man doesn't need a Swiss Army knife to threaten to kill a female flight attendant - he could threaten to snap her neck, too. That's why the real safety relies in making sure the pilots don't open the door, not in restricting small sharp objects.
For those of us who travel regularly, especially for business, checking bags is not an option. We don't have the time to wait in baggage claim, or deal with lost luggage - and we shouldn't have to pay extra to check a small bag that easily stows in the cabin. some of us need small pocket tools with knives for work - I do in my job in the environmental field. Allowing small, non-fixing bladed tools in the cabin is a reasonable change to policy.
As for how this will be enforced - no, TSA agents won't have to open up and measure each knife, only borderline cases, and scanners will allow a trained eye to discern a run-of-the-mill Swiss Army knife from a borderline case. As for molded grips (moulded for finger holding - someone erroneously thought the allowed knives in the TSA graphics were molded just because they had some contours) - generally a folding knife that is small enough to meet the requirements isn't going to have a big enough grip to allow for finger molding, nor is finger molding much use with a non-locking blade, so it is sensible, and helps serve as a shortcut to allow people to see which knives are allowed and which aren;t
- March 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM
- Anonymous said...
We can go on a trip and we can't take luggage without paying, but we can take a knife. We can't take Shampoo, but we can take a knife. Whoever came up with this needs to look back at all of the video of 9/11 and explain to the public, how allowing knives back on planes keeps this country safe!! This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.
- March 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM
- Anonymous said...
Allowing these items on the plane will make air travel more dangerous than it needs to be. I don't see why anyone will need to have these items as a carry-on item - do they intend to use it on the plane (esp. the sport's equipment)? If not, then why allow these items on the plane? Knives of any size, bats and pool cues can be deadly weapons and this policy seriously puts everyone on board at risk that is absolutely unnecessary.
- March 7, 2013 at 4:50 PM
- Anonymous said...
Another thing - the terrorists were successful with using sharp objects to threaten violence because people were used to the old paradigm of airline hijacking - they sit on a tarmac for a few days while the terrorists negotiated safe passage to Sudan. The idea was passengers and flight crews should be passive, accede to the terrorists' demands. Cockpit crews now have reinforced doors and don't open them for anyone, and passengers have demonstrated their readiness to subdue anyone who starts acting strangely on a plane, as the attempted shoe bomber case demonstrated. The tactics of 9/11 will not succeed again, so we must be vigilante of the next tactics.
- March 7, 2013 at 4:56 PM
- Scott Trombetta said...
No water bottles, but knives are ok? That is some seriously poor logic you guys are employing
- March 7, 2013 at 6:25 PM
- Anonymous said...
I don't really see much benefit in the change in knife policy.
But fortunately the "novelty" bats would provide a user with some training quite a formidable weapon should a dire need arise during a flight. Short sticks are quite a bit more effective than knives as weapons at any rate.
- March 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM
- Anonymous said...
This decision is totally wrong! knives are a threat no matter what size, width & thickness they are! The way I see it..it will take longer to get thru the security lines when the agents will have to take more time to inspect the blade for correct size etc. And let's not over look ski poles.. they can act as a dagger. As a matter of fact all those items mentioned can be used as a weapon. I FEAR for the stewardesses, passengers and my husband who travels a lot!
Where is the petition so I can sign it!?
- March 8, 2013 at 1:40 AM
- Anonymous said...
I have no use for needing a small baseball bat on an airplane. Please tell me when your ridiculous rule against yoghurt and water is lifted.
- March 8, 2013 at 5:13 AM
- Anonymous said...
This is not making anything better. It is just going back to a little less ridiculous than before.
- March 8, 2013 at 5:15 AM
- J.R.Shirley said...
I am happy to see a glimmer of common sense, though it's clear from the official statements that this measure is more for TSA employees than passenger convenience.
TSA has known for years these small knives pose less threat than other items that were never prohibited.
- March 8, 2013 at 6:27 AM
- Anonymous said...
While knives are not allowed for a few more weeks, I see bombs can still be part of your carry on in Newark.
- March 8, 2013 at 8:28 AM
- RB said...
It's comforting to know that airline passengers are considered to be expendable and disposable by TSA's Air Marshalls.
Kind of explains the abuse given to citizens and visitors to this country by TSA and its employees.
Passengers Are Expendable
"Adler, representing the air marshals, said aviation security is neither "terrorist proof nor psycho proof," and both should be protected against.
TSA's "primary concern, and their only concern, is to protect the cockpit to make sure the planes aren't turned into missiles," he complained. "Traveling Americans are expendable, disposable and otherwise irrelevant to air travel safety.""
- March 8, 2013 at 10:06 AM
- Anonymous said...
How about, instead of focusing on knives (which, with passenger awareness and locked cockpit doors, are no longer a threat), you all concentrate on more important things, like catching bombs:
"An undercover TSA inspector with an improvised explosive device stuffed in his pants got past two security screenings at Newark Airport — including a pat-down — and was cleared to get on board a commercial flight..."
- March 8, 2013 at 12:26 PM
- Anonymous said...
"an undercover agent was actually able to smuggle an improvised explosive device through security at Newark Airport....
The fake bomb, which was modeled after explosives devices used by "underwear bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab and "shoe bomber" Richard Reid, was hidden in the TSA agent's pants".
Great, now we'll need to take off our shoes AND our pants.
- March 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM
- Anonymous said...
Judging from the recent Newark debacle, I guess you think the fact my penknife blade is 1/8 of an inch too wide is more important than people walking through your checkpoints with bombs.
Pay attention, people- this is what $80,000,000,000 gets you.
- March 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM
- Anonymous said...
How will you be communicating this policy to the screeners?
- March 8, 2013 at 1:10 PM
- Wintermute said...
Anonymous said...
"...no explosive has brought down an airplane in the recent past but small knives in the form of box cutters has. It makes no sence to allow them on board."
So, following your logic, it makes perfect sense to allow explosives on?
Two things will prevent a knife of any type from being used again - passenger awareness and hardened cockpit doors. If these had been in place at the time, 9/11 may have never happened.
"I think it is time we demand replacement of Mr. John S Pistole, head of tsa, before he allows even less intellegent security measures in the future."
Finally, something the TSApoligists and TSA detractors can agree on!
- March 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM
- Anonymous said...
why stop at 2.36 in long and 1/2 wide
My straight razor has a 3 in blade and 5/8 in width, and my choice of shaving style shouldn't cause me to be required to check my bag.
every passenger should be given the choice of a combat knife or armour...
If someone attempts to take an aircraft by force the remaining passengers will wind up subduing the "PERP". Has occurred several times, and will again...
- March 8, 2013 at 4:26 PM
- Anonymous said...
So they take my tools for photography (Screwdrivers, etc.) but now allow pocket knives after three planes were hijacked with box cutters? BRILLIANT!
- March 8, 2013 at 8:36 PM
- Anonymous said...
I feel that having a pocket knife while on a flight could be a life saving tool. To cut a tangled line, cut yourself out of a seat belt, help with survival if stranded in the ocean etc. i have always felt uncomfortable not having one. I also believe it could be a mild deterent providing passengers with a way of protecting themselves. I dont believe it should be a problem for Flight Attendants...if it is then arm them with stun guns or something.
- March 8, 2013 at 8:43 PM
- Anonymous said...
Stupid decision. Keep the knives OFF the aircraft. I could care less about with the ICAO does or if we're "aligned"....it wasn't their aircraft that got flown into the WTC.
Use some common sense for a change...Please!!
- March 9, 2013 at 12:51 AM
- John Skelly said...
By the way, this will include hockey sticks, fishing poles, ski poles, billiard cues and Lacrosse sticks. So the next time your going on a fishing trip you can bring your fishing pole and MacGyver knife. You may never know when you will need these Items on board an airplane.
Administrator John S. Pistole believes this is part of an over all risk-based security approach, which allows TSA officers to better focus their efforts on finding higher threat items such as explosives. I am glad that they will have more time to make sure I take my shoes off and throw away that bottle of water That I just purchased for $3.00. I am also glad that I still can only have 3oz. of shampoo, conditioner & lotions in a plastic bag. God only knows what would happen if I had more in my carry on and what may happen if I mixed them together. This will also give TSA Officers time to make sure that people in wheelchairs, the elderly and young children have been screened properly. Remember they are not suppose to "Profile" people.
So, if you and your family are traveling after April 25 make sure you take not 1 but 2 golf clubs so you can practice your putting. Ski poles so your wife can go skiing while your playing golf. Your children can take a Hockey stick, Lacrosse stick.
Also have your oldest bring the fishing poles and knifes so you two can go fishing after your 2 rounds of golf. Bring 2 billiard cues so your mother-in-law can use them to get out of the wheelchair and try and walk threw the metal detector. This way you can get through Security much faster.
WTF is Administrator John S. Pistole thinking?!?! Once again, a Government Agency that our tax dollars are paying that do not have a clue what the flying public & Airline industry employees want and demand to try and keep us safe!
Check this out: http://blog.tsa.gov/2013/03/tsa-prohibited-items-list-changing_5.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tsa%2FsDax+%28The+TSA+Blog%29
- March 9, 2013 at 2:40 AM
- Susan Richart said...
"Listen buddy, we had terrorists come from Britain who tried to blow up a plane over the US with liquids, lucky MI5 watched them and foiled there plots.
The three men where carrying about three quarts of explosives on them THAT WAS CONCEALED IN SODA MIXTURE AND ACTUALLY NEVER OPENED THE BOTTLE! So TSA cannot be leanant with liquids, if you haven't noticed that we have made soo many enemies in the last few centureis."
What planet do you live on? Of all the weird posts I've read here, this one and the one that precedes it just about take the cake.
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- March 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM
- SSSS for some reason said...
"...I don't agree. People can still threaten passengers' and flight attendants with small knives. It doesn't take an expert to know where to cut a persons throat, or stab a person even with a small knife. "
So you don't want any kind of knife because the staff is still at risk.
Admirable, but wrong.
Knives and other pointy objects are already on the plane and can be used to stab someone. Scissors and such are still allowed on the plane and can be used to stab someone. All kinds of things are already on, or allowed to be brought on, the aircraft that can be used to harm individuals.
Very, very few of those items can be used to gain access to the cockpit and therefore take control of the plane.
Very, very few passengers will sit still while they themselves are being stabbed or they are seeing someone else get stabbed.
We, the passengers, are the 'last line of defense' when it comes to our safety in the air. Since September 11 we all know deep down that if someone tries to stab crew or otherwise take over the airplane that person or persons are going to have every other passenger on that plane trying to turn the attacker into a wet spot on the carpet.
- March 9, 2013 at 8:59 AM
- GSOLTSO said...
Anon sez - "Thank you TSA for bringing some sense into this and allowing these items."
You are welcome Anon. Many of us grew up with pocket/pen knives as standard issue, this should help some of those folks to continue with that tradition.
Brookfield sez - "Nothing was said about scissors, are they allowed?"
Scissors are allowed as long as the blades are no longer than 4" from the fulcrum.
Anon sez - "So I take it that Box Cutters are OK?"
Not as of now, and I have not seen them listed as being acceptable in carryon baggage when the new changes are to take effect.
Sarge sez - "hire retiring NFL linemen and NHL "enforcers" as cabin attendants"
That is one process that would possible deter unruly behavior, but some of them would have trouble moving around in the airplane cabins as cramped as it can be for people of their overall size.
RB sez - "overall this is a step in the right direction."
We agree on this 100%.
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- March 9, 2013 at 11:35 AM
- Anonymous said...
Allowing small knives is a step in the right direction.
I understand that people are still emotional and fearful of security when flying, but they need to overcome this irrational fear.
Anything can be used as a weapon. Just look at what prisoners can produce. The question is if it is reasonable to live in fear over potential weapons that aren't really that dangerous.
Do you live in fear every time you go to a public place? They don't screen you to walk down the street, go to the store, or countless other places.
- March 9, 2013 at 12:15 PM
- Anonymous said...
Anything is a step in the right direction, but the reality is that passengers now understand that letting someone get into the cockpit guarantees their death - so I do not believe it will happen again.
So, PERHAPS limiting knives 6" of more makes sense, but limiting smaller is simply silly.
Also, screening pilots for weapons of any kind is just dumb - they are ALREADY in the cockpit-if they want to fly the airplane into the ground, that's what pilots do....
I have NO problem with the explosives screening and that (for the person who asked) is the reason for the water bottle restriction.
Can't blog without saying that the AVP TSA are the best I have ever dealt with.
- March 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM
- RB said...
Anonymous said...
I was really scared to fly, and it has taken me so long to get used to the idea of having some sense of security on the plane, regarding the surrounding passengers'. A weapon is a weapon I don't care how small or big, and I don't appreciate the whole "fen for yourself attitude" regarding passengers and airline stewards. I am glad the stewards union is fighting this along with the air marshals. I don't understand why the pilots union has agreed to this, it's decision to support it is shameful to those who passed on 911.
March 7, 2013 at 11:48 AM
There are makeshift weapons all around you, in airplanes and out. Shoe laces for choking. Belts and the buckle to smash and slash. Simple Rat Tail Combs to stab with. Laptops to bludgeon. Knitting needles to stab. TSA allows sharp pointed scissors, two potential knives. And the list can go on and on.
The fact of the matter is that the potential of a person being a terrorist or intent on harming someone is near nil. That's right a big fat ZERO.
Life is not totally safe but I bet you drive a car which is many times more dangerous than anything you might do involving commercial aviation.
Stop the whinning and SAY NO to this silly petition.
- March 9, 2013 at 5:57 PM
- RB said...
Will TSA implement this policy of permitting some new items through security as well as TSA has trained its employees that taking pictures is ok?
- March 9, 2013 at 6:06 PM
- Anonymous said...
Just wanted to let you know blunt knives like butter knives are allowed through security
- March 9, 2013 at 9:54 PM
- Anonymous said...
At my local airport (fairbanks) so long as there is no blade they let me take mine now.
- March 9, 2013 at 9:58 PM
- Anonymous said...
TSA this is a big issue that you should consider revising before this change. You have taken my little bottle of toothpaste, I have to risk my perfume being broken by putting it checked baggage, and I can't bring my soda/water in that I have not finished from my car ride to the airport. Even though the security process can be long at times, it very necessary in this day and age. We have experienced various terrorist attacks and activities through air travel yet you want to allow a weapon on board! Pocket knives are hidden and unknown to other passengers. Even though a pocket knife cannot stab through to someone's heart it can slit someone's throat causing them to bleed to death or stab someone's eye. Who will they target, the pilot and then the plane crashes? TSA get it together, stop being lazy because you don't want to collect anymore knives. Continue prevent casualties.
- March 10, 2013 at 12:05 AM
- Anonymous said...
"A weapon is a weapon I don't care how small or big..."
So we should not bring on board keys, sharpened pencils, a hardcover books, shoelaces, and laptops? Those items can be used to stab, throttle, or bash someone.
Think. Please. TSA is not supposed to be about preventing the person next to you from attacking you. (That could happen to you at the movies, at church, at your office, at the bank, at the grocery store, at the gas station--anywhere, really.) TSA is supposed to be about preventing hijackings and bombings. A pocketknife is not going to get the pilots to open the secured cockpit door. A pocketknife is not going to keep a planeload of passengers from thrashing the person who is wielding that pocketknife. The 9/11 hijackers did not succeed because they had boxcutters: They succeeded because the cockpit was accessible and crew and passengers (except on United 93) did not fight back.
- March 10, 2013 at 12:24 AM
- Anonymous said...
Im fine with these changes Provided crew members now be permitted to carry up to at least a 5" fixed bladed hunting/tactical knife and given proper instruction on how to effectively deploy and neutralize anyone with it. Its disconcerting if the police are out gunned that's what this change dos it shifts the balance of power in the cabin. Yes we all know the potential weapons available in the cabin but they are equally available to all. However a planed 9/11 style attack with an overwhelming number of combatants instantly producing small but lethal knives will quickly subdue untrained and outclassed crew members and any passenger still willing to intervene.
- March 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM
- Anonymous said...
What the real shame is here is that we have to be concerned for our safety at all. Everyone is going to have their opinion. Yes, some people like to travel with small knives, they are very handy. However, a trained individual could do just as much damage with a ball point pen than they can do with a knife.
While I too have my concerns, I am also grateful for the change. I am a pool player and have been forced to check my (very expensive) pool cues when traveling. First, there is always the risk that they will get "lost" in baggage. The other big concern is the temperature in the luggage compartment. Pool cues are made of wood (most of them are) and wood does not fair well in extreme temperatures, whether it be hot or cold.
I do wish thy were starting this a bit earlier since I'm flying to Vegas on April 22 with my pool cues but I'm glad they will be on the plane with me on the way home.
To the guy that mentioned knitting needles ... my sister flies all of the time and brings her knitting needles with her. Maybe you should have checked that rule out a little more.
- March 10, 2013 at 10:22 AM
- Anonymous said...
"Wow. I thought TSA was here for our security, but now, as a flight attendant, if someone wants to take over, they can just slit my throat, hit me with a two foot bat or bust my face up with a golf club? Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. "
I hate to break this to you but I wouldn't consider using either "weapon" to disable you. Too bulky, might telegraph my intentions and unnecessary. Additionally, slitting your throat is the stuff of Bond movies.
"Sign the petition to have this banned..."
No thanks. I suggest you find another line of work. You're already in far too much danger if you really believe these objects endanger you.
- March 10, 2013 at 10:54 AM
- Anonymous said...
Granted they will never breach the cockpit again. But what will a plane load of dead and maimed passengers do to the flying public's Psyche. Because it wont be just one person. I agree one person with a pocket knife can be easily subdued. However in case you Forgot 9/11 was carried out by crews of up to and more than 5 Determined individuals operating in a coordinated and planed fashion. SO go ahead Put instantaneously deploy-able sharp objects in their hands again and good luck getting enough passengers mobilized with "improvised weapons from cabin furnishings" up and in action before there is not a considerable loss of life. Better believe i am carrying the biggest blade TSA will allow...
- March 10, 2013 at 11:28 AM
- Sandra said...
Some brilliant anonymous person wrote, in part:
"...good luck getting enough passengers mobilized with "improvised weapons from cabin furnishings" up and in action before there is not a considerable loss of life."
Do you have any idea of the maneuvers the pilots would put the plane into that would knock any perps on their collective backsides?
Pilots are full of tricks to put people off balance and prevent them from hurting multiple passengers.
- March 10, 2013 at 9:17 PM
- Anonymous said...
So when will we be allowed to carry on full sized toothpaste?
- March 11, 2013 at 6:05 AM
- RB said...
Anonymous said...
Granted they will never breach the cockpit again. But what will a plane load of dead and maimed passengers do to the flying public's Psyche. Because it wont be just one person. I agree one person with a pocket knife can be easily subdued. However in case you Forgot 9/11 was carried out by crews of up to and more than 5 Determined individuals operating in a coordinated and planed fashion. SO go ahead Put instantaneously deploy-able sharp objects in their hands again and good luck getting enough passengers mobilized with "improvised weapons from cabin furnishings" up and in action before there is not a considerable loss of life. Better believe i am carrying the biggest blade TSA will allow...
March 10, 2013 at 11:28 AM
The cockpits were not locked and aircrews were instructed to cooperate with hijackers. None of those things are true today.
Besides the potential for any kind of a terrorist action onboard a commercial airliner is near NIL.
- March 11, 2013 at 2:40 PM
- Anonymous said...
Pool cues aren't weapons. Do you think someone will use one as a sword or for jousting? If so they picked the wrong venue, and you don't understand their inadequacy as a threat. As someone else already pointed out, they are small, lightweight, expensive and easily subject to mishandling or theft. When I have traveled with mine I have had to check an oversized suitcase that I usually only filled part-way.
- March 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM
- SSSS for some reason said...
I am still wondering what makes a molded grip more dangerous?
Or is this the ambiguity of some level of security and the loop-hole through which Agents at the checkpoints can use to disallow the knife of their choosing?
- March 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM
- Anonymous said...
Thank you! I've been waiting for this for over 10 years now. I carry a small pocketknife every day, but must remember not to carry it whenever I fly. Please make more logical changes such as this!
- March 11, 2013 at 4:21 PM
- Brandon Allred said...
Hey this is awesome news! At least for me. Guess how many pocket knifes I have lost to the TSA? I seriously can't even remember.
I have a small leatherman mini (does not lock) that gets confiscated from me every time I walk through that blasted metal detector . According to the images above, I should be just fine now :)
- March 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM
- Anonymous said...
What about Chinese Stars? They're just as dangerous and unnecessary in the cabin. I'm a hockey player and I don't need to bring my sticks in the cabin. This rule change is dangerous and flawed with no benefit. There's no time saving because now you'll have to measure knives instead of just collecting them. The alignment with other international entities is flawed too. Other nations have less stringent (and thus less safe) flying regulations. Should we take a step back in that aspect too - just to be like everyone else?
- March 11, 2013 at 6:49 PM
- Jeremy McCleery said...
I randomly read last night about the circumstances regarding the American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 that crashed into the World Trade Towers. The terrorists on board used mase and pocket knives to kill people and to commandeer both planes.
Today I just read that the TSA is approving pocket knives on planes.
This does not make any sense and is not rational. Please do not allow pocket knives on planes any more.
- March 12, 2013 at 12:38 AM
- Anonymous said...
I don't think it's safe to allow any sharp knifes on an aircraft. It is a wide open doors for whoever wants to use those weapons to attack a person or hijacked the aircraft.
- March 12, 2013 at 3:09 AM
- Anonymous said...
This is ridiculous. Why even let knives be on the plane? Everyone is accustomed to this rule...just stick to it. It doesn't take a knife any larger than that to slice somone's carotid artery! This is just asking for trouble. When something happens...and it WILL, TSA will regret this decision. I fly a lot due to my job. This disappoints me and makes me seriously concerned about the intelligence of this agency and the ability of it to protect the citizens.
- March 12, 2013 at 7:24 AM
- Anonymous said...
Oh geez, you guys are ridiculous. First it's why are they confiscating my knife and now it's why am I being allowed to bring it. There's no winning, lol.
As far as the LGA's something that the average person doesn't realize is that explosives can be easily disquised as liquids. Google is your friend.
- March 12, 2013 at 7:47 AM
- Anonymous said...
I'm all for the TSA allowing more items, including the small knives policy. I understand comments by others complaining that the policy doesn't go far enough to allow their particular knife, but give the TSA time. From my admittedly naive perspective, it seems they are taking a stepped approach, backing off of restrictions in a staged fashion. That makes sense to me. Frankly, I hate the whole freaking time- and money-sucking enterprise -- numerous things are more likely to kill us than a hijacked plane, including the drive to the airport. So, seems to me that this policy is trying to strike a balance, returning some of our freedom without markedly increasing risk. If it goes well, maybe a little more freedom down the line; if not, tighten back up. What other approach would be logical?
- March 12, 2013 at 8:28 AM
- Anonymous said...
I am a 15+ year employee of American Airlines. I knew one of the flight attendants that lost her life on that horrible day. I am on an airplane performing AAL company business on a weekly basis. My number one goal is to get home to my wife and kids. The TSA was formed to keep the flying public safe. This ruling has put the safety of flight crews and fellow passengers at risk. The planes on 911 were taken down by a bunch of terrorists with box cutters. If the TSA's judgment is this bad, why do they even exist as an organization?
American Airlines has joined Southwest; asking the TSA to reconsider its revisions to the prohibited items list to ensure that all changes have been thoroughly reviewed.
- March 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM
- Anonymous said...
To all of you whiners who don't want knives on the plane because someone might try and cut you.... Do you realize that there are already a dozen things already on the aircraft that could be used to kill you in a hijacking attempt? Do you know how many things that are already allowed through the TSA Check Point can be used as lethal weapons if someone is trying to kill someone?
Just asking... everyone seems awfully concerned that they might get cut or something on their way to or from Grandma's house.
- March 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM
- Anonymous said...
Please clarify whether "ski poles" will also cover hiking or trekking poles as permitted carry-on.
- March 12, 2013 at 4:56 PM
- Anonymous said...
Between people who think allowing knives on an airplane is a bad idea and those who thing this is way too little of a rule relaxation, way too late, the TSA has managed to get disapproval from nearly everyone!!
- March 12, 2013 at 5:37 PM
- Anonymous said...
There are thousands of highly trained federal law enforcement officers flying on planes in plainclothes everyday. They are trained to kill if a possible hijacking occurs.A Fedral Air Marshal that is trained by TSA, will not allow somebody with a little knife to take over a plane.
All plainclothes law enforcement officers flying on planes will rely on their training and experience to prevent something like that.There are also flight crew and passengers trained in self defense on the planes now, so there is no need to worry.There is a better chance of a plane having an engine problem than a hijacking.
- March 13, 2013 at 4:31 AM
- Anonymous said...
Allowing small knives is a welcome change. I expect the change to work smoothly. In the future it would be great to expand it to allow larger folding knives with locking blades and molded grips. After 911 passenger's mind set permanently changed so I don't expect that hijackings will ever be successful or even attempted ever again.
- March 13, 2013 at 10:37 AM
- Anonymous said...
Obviously you think what can be used as a weapon and only thinks on your convinience. Remember 911. Security while 30000 feet is everybodys business and everybody should have awarenes. If you dont like take bus and nobody will mind you business. Ahh and by the way do-gooders saved people on 911 and people who mind their own business didnt. Be repectful!
- March 13, 2013 at 11:17 AM
- Anonymous said...
So let me get this straight. You will now allow knives and sporting goods that can still kill people on the plane after April 25th, but we still cannot bring our Liter of water with us, which by the way is hard to create any explosives, through checkpoint? Wow, maybe TSA needs to start comping us our money on high priced drinks that we have to buy if we get thirsty because they think a water bottle full of water is going to explode on them.
- March 13, 2013 at 1:18 PM
- RB said...
Anonymous said...
I am a 15+ year employee of American Airlines. I knew one of the flight attendants that lost her life on that horrible day. I am on an airplane performing AAL company business on a weekly basis. My number one goal is to get home to my wife and kids. The TSA was formed to keep the flying public safe. This ruling has put the safety of flight crews and fellow passengers at risk. The planes on 911 were taken down by a bunch of terrorists with box cutters. If the TSA's judgment is this bad, why do they even exist as an organization?
American Airlines has joined Southwest; asking the TSA to reconsider its revisions to the prohibited items list to ensure that all changes have been thoroughly reviewed.
March 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM
On 9/11 box cutters were not prohibited items.
On 9/11 cockpit doors were not secure.
On 9/11 airlines cooperated with hijackers.
None of those are true today and a small knife will not endanger the aircraft.
Of course you fail to mention that long knitting needles are allowed today. You fail to mention sharp pointed scissors are allowed today. You fail to mention all of the other possible weapons that can be found on board the aircraft yet nothing bad has happened.
Stop the fear mongering and get on with your life.
- March 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM
- Anonymous said...
"Anonymous said...
I am a 15+ year employee of American Airlines. I knew one of the flight attendants that lost her life on that horrible day. I am on an airplane performing AAL company business on a weekly basis. My number one goal is to get home to my wife and kids. The TSA was formed to keep the flying public safe. This ruling has put the safety of flight crews and fellow passengers at risk. The planes on 911 were taken down by a bunch of terrorists with box cutters. If the TSA's judgment is this bad, why do they even exist as an organization?
American Airlines has joined Southwest; asking the TSA to reconsider its revisions to the prohibited items list to ensure that all changes have been thoroughly reviewed."
Tottaly Agree! I work for Delta, that is also requesting a revision to the changes on the prohibited items list. And for all Ive seen over the years I just think this is a decision TSA will regret soon.
And for those who are asking for reviews on the restrictions of liquids and security procedures also, take a look at the past...
If those procedures did not exist or were not followed is obvious that cases like "the shoe bomber" would be sucessfull and we would`ve have another tragedy. Or about Umar Farouk, that bypassed all the procedures and was not sucessfull only because of his nervousness.
There`s a lot of cases when the procedures that passengers complain so much about saved our lives. And I really want to keep it safe.
- March 13, 2013 at 6:34 PM
- Anonymous said...
Can I take a Pop-Tart shaped like a gun on the plane?
- March 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM
- Anonymous said...
This new rule is a fantastic change of approach for TSA. It's a common sense approach consistent with Europe and other countries. You people that are concerned about a 2" knife are making an emotional appeal that is not rational.
- March 13, 2013 at 11:45 PM
- Anonymous said...
This is a great show of common sense and good judgment. Way to go TSA!
- March 13, 2013 at 11:46 PM
- Anonymous said...
Wasn't TSA created to make us safe when flying? Big step backward. Can't wait to see how long it is before the "bad guys" take advantage of this. That is when TSA will admit it wasn't such a good/bright idea.
- March 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM
- Anonymous said...
So you"re telling me that as long as the plane is safe from being destroyed in a crash I can bleed to death from deranged drunk passenger gutting me with his carry one knife.Understand no one wants to be cut. Paper cuts are painful. If this goes thru I won't be riding planes period.
- March 14, 2013 at 1:59 PM
- Anonymous said...
IMHO...the 'bad guys' do not have to actuaclly bring down an aircraft. All 'they' have to do is wreak havoc of a couple of comercial flights...shed some blood, create a paninc,and before you know it, there is a HUGE financial impact on this country. Allowing knives back on plances will just make their jobs that much easier.
- March 14, 2013 at 2:35 PM
- Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
So you"re telling me that as long as the plane is safe from being destroyed in a crash I can bleed to death from deranged drunk passenger gutting me with his carry one knife.
Right now, the "deranged drunk passenger" could:
-gut you with his scissors (up to 4 inches!)
- gut you with his steel knitting needles
- crack a CD in half and... gut you.
- 'borrow' a steak knife from a restaurant in the "secure" area of the airport and...gut you.
... are you sensing the pattern here?
- March 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM
- Anonymous said...
OK, you don't want to "get cut by a deranged passenger." No one does. So what? The TSA doesn't exist to keep you 100% safe 100% of the time.
Real law enforcement, like local and state police, don't offer a 100% safety guarantee either. Do you live with such fear when getting in any other vehicle? Cars/buses/trains crash. Ferries sink.
Are you demanding no one carry a multitool or pocketknife on any mode of transportation?
Do you search people who visit your home?
Do you make co-workers go through screening before entering your office?
For the flight attendants - when did you start working as a flight attendant? Pocketknives have been on planes since commercial flight began. Pocketknives have still been on planes since 9/11. There has never been a time when pocketknives weren't on planes. Are you all of a sudden terrified of the public for whom you're being paid to provide service or have you always been scared/angry/distrustful of other people?
If you distrust the public but insist on working with them, perhaps a bank, county tax office, or convenience store job, where you can "be safe" behind thick plastic walls would be a better choice.
Just because we carry, doesn't make us scary.
- March 15, 2013 at 11:12 AM
- Anonymous said...
Any knife on board any commercial airline is s BAD idea period. Am a flight attendant.
- March 15, 2013 at 11:41 AM
- Anonymous said...
So let me get this straight. You will now allow knives and sporting goods that can still kill people on the plane after April 25th, but we still cannot bring our Liter of water with us, which by the way is hard to create any explosives, through checkpoint? Wow, maybe TSA needs to start comping us our money on high priced drinks that we have to buy if we get thirsty because they think a water bottle full of water is going to explode on them.........
Wow! Really?? Ok, I will take this one...
The reason you cannot bring liquids on board an aircraft is because the liquid could be used to explode when used in conjuction with other materials. If TSA allowed everyone to bring whatever liquid amounts on board they would have to test every single container. That would take an extremely long time at checkpoints. Its almost comical to hear someone say "but its only water...why can't I bring it aboard?" And they want TSA to say "Oh, it's just water. Sure go ahead through. I will take your word on it. Because there is no way you would want to blow up a plane...."
Come on people. Think before you write. A little common sense goes a long way.
- March 15, 2013 at 6:33 PM
- GSOLTSO said...
Anon sez - "Can I take a Pop-Tart shaped like a gun on the plane?"
As long as it is not realistic in appearance, you may carry it with you and munch away.
TSA Blog Team
- March 17, 2013 at 10:58 AM
- Anonymous said...
While I've had very mixed opinions of the TSA in the past, I really do appreciate this bit of sanity and common sense.
A non-locking Swiss Army Knife is a vastly inferior weapon to a belt, calculus textbook, or many other objects that can be carried onboard and turned into an "improvised" weapon.
As a business traveler who travels light (carry-on only, underseat only for simple overnight trips), it will be nice to be able to bring a basic tool useful for trimming stray threads, cutting an apple, opening a bottle of various beverages (most better wine does not include a screw top), or performing field repairs on a laptop.
And for those concerned about security - the already-allowed knitting needles can do far, far more damage than a small pocketknife.
(now, as for the golf clubs - hopefully carry-on size limits will take care of that)
- March 17, 2013 at 12:32 PM
- Tommy Thompson said...
Hard to play golf with just 2 clubs!
I think the 5 inch spiked high heeled shoes are a deadly weapon too.
- March 18, 2013 at 12:54 PM
- Tommy Thompson said...
I think 5 inch high women's shoes could be considered a weapon. I can not play golf with just 2 clubs either.
- March 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM
- Joshua Miller said...
I'm happy that the TSA is allowing small knives, I always wish I have one at some point in my business trips, where I don't check a bag. I do wish they allowed locking blades and molded grips since I view these as safety features, but one step at a time. I wouldn't have expected them to go all in with one big step.
- March 19, 2013 at 7:09 AM
- Anonymous said...
No one should need a knife on the plane!!!
They need to put these as a Non-Carry On item again, for all of our safety!
- March 19, 2013 at 6:29 PM
- Anonymous said...
As a very frequent flyer (TSA Select) I do not have the time to check my bag on every flight so I am very pleased that some semblance of sanity is being displayed here by TSA. Pilots are locked behind hardened doors; TSA has done its job, the plane is safe. Now I can also snip that errant thread off my tie while on the road, whoopee!
- March 19, 2013 at 11:38 PM
- Jno.703 said...
I don't under the fear some people have of a little knife. If you take away everything that can be used as a weapon we would be flying naked with no carry on luggage.
- March 25, 2013 at 11:10 AM
- Anonymous said...
I like the new policy, but opposition from some aviation professionals and even some vote-seeking people in congress has me worried. If pressure gets too great, I suggest smaller size limits. The pen knife I use to open letters and cut string and tape attaches to my key ring and has a blade less than 1.25 inches (half the width of a dollar bill) and a folded length under 2 inches (less to hold onto) and weighs less than the weight of 6 quarters, so easy to measure. As one can imagine, I have on one occasion forgotten to put it in checked luggage, and after boarding realized TSA missed it. I sure hope some sort of knife permit policy remains. Thanks.
- March 26, 2013 at 6:12 PM
- Joseph Navarro said...
Why is a novelty bat or hockey stick prohibited and a Hestitan Keychain or Kubaton illegal? These items are just as "danergous" as a novelty bat but are commonly used by women for self defense. My wife and nieces need to take their keys off her Hestitan Keychain when they fly so they are without a self defense item when they get home or have to dig it out of their checked bag.
- March 31, 2013 at 3:46 PM
- Carlos said...
Does anybody know if they will allow small pocket knifes with scissors?
Let's say that the blade meets all requirements but the knife includes a folding scissors. Basically what I'm asking is this: Will my Victorinox Swiss Army Classic SD Pocket Knife be allowed on board? Just asking because the new policy doesn't say anything about changes to scissors, which are currently not allowed on board.
- April 8, 2013 at 7:26 PM
- Anonymous said...
Many things seem inconsistent.
The words say that a knife with a molded handle is not allowed, but the picture of the knife that is OK, shows a molded handle.
Only 2 golf clubs are allowed, but I see no limit on small bats & other blunt instruments that are allowed.
The photo shows the allowed knives are measured only at the sharpened part of the blade, but the disallowed knives are measured including the handle.
In addition to the inconsistencies, I have to wonder, what useful purpose could possibly be served by bringing only 2 golf clubs? I can't imagine someone paying to fly to a golf destination to play a game with just 2 clubs.
As usual, I see little logic in the TSA decisions, but I am happy that they are easing up on the public, even if only a little.
- April 8, 2013 at 8:31 PM
- Anonymous said...
For all the folks that think water and shampoo should be allowed.
They should not be allowed ever!
These small containers can be filled with anything. Acid, bleach, explosive stuff.
It is not the water but what could it be replaced with. Sealed container? I bet anyone with a little patience can remove the seal intact. Think outside the obviuos please.
- April 9, 2013 at 4:22 AM
- Wintermute said...
Anonymous said...
"For all the folks that think water and shampoo should be allowed.
They should not be allowed ever!
These small containers can be filled with anything. Acid, bleach, explosive stuff.
"It is not the water but what could it be replaced with. Sealed container? I bet anyone with a little patience can remove the seal intact. Think outside the obviuos please."
OK, Anonymous, here's a question. Suppose I take a water bottle and fill it with some magical liquid explosive that is stable enough to make it to the airport in the first place. What does the TSO do with it when I attempt to go through security with it? They toss is in a trash bin right there at the checkpoint. And so, if I were a terrorist with a viable liquid explosives plot, the checkpoint would be the target. If this were such a threat, every confiscated item would need treated as a potential explosive item and the bomb squad would need called on ever single one. This does not happen, indicating that the TSA knows it isn't a viable threat.
- April 16, 2013 at 6:18 AM
- Anonymous said...
I am a frequent flyer. Thank you for the reality check. It is time the American People realize what is a real threat and what is not. We don't have unlimited resources to waste on non-threat carry-on items. Thanks for not caving in to the non-profressional reactionaries who have no experience or training in risk or threat analysis.
- April 18, 2013 at 8:20 PM
- Ned Rites said...
Wait a minute was TSA not beefed up after 9-11 to include knives searches because they were the weapons used by hijackers? Why are they now allowing any kind of knife? We gave up a lot of privacy after 9-11 to have safer flights and you want to just throw it all out the window now? No wait we still have long delays, intrusive searches, and invasion of privacy.
- April 18, 2013 at 10:17 PM
- Anonymous said...
I spoke with a line TSA supervisor on a recent trip and asked about the standard Swiss Army knife. She was not clear herself about the limitations, but said something I thought was telling. She said they had been briefed on how to quickly measure the length by using the standard TSA name bag as the basis of measuring the length! Apparently that is where the permitted length came from. Victorinox needs to shorten blade or petition for a change to 2.75".
- April 20, 2013 at 10:21 AM
- Parmantier said...
Glad to see the change in policy. I agree that passengers should be able to carry pocket knives. Took over a decade for a modicum of common sense to return to airport security. Maybe some day soon we can keep our shoes on our feet and TSA agent hands out of our pants.
- April 23, 2013 at 12:31 AM
- Anonymous said...
The same thing that makes a scary looking sporting rifle an "assault" rifle lol....welcome to the modern day guberment
- April 23, 2013 at 3:47 PM
- Anonymous said...
Since the TSA delayed implementing this, why does the web page still say it is OK to bring these items through starting April 25, 2013? This page should have that posted or be removed. No wonder the traveling public is confused! If you try to bring these items through the screening checkpoint, the TSA will tell you it is not allowed.
- May 2, 2013 at 2:55 PM
- Anonymous said...
As a frequent flier I must say there has never been a moment while in flight that I even needed my pocket knife. To be honest, the way some people are now days I'm not comfortable with anyone else carrying one on a plane. If you are worried about losing your knife with your luggage, leave it home.
- May 13, 2013 at 11:32 AM
- Anonymous said...
Excuse me, "Frequent flyer".
- May 13, 2013 at 11:42 AM
- Anonymous said...
Just had my tiny Gerber multitool taken away. TSA "gentleman" said the rule had changed back. - Grand Rapids Airport
- June 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM
- Anonymous said...
Just returned from a trip, had my Leatherman pliers taken away. Was told (in typical attitude) that the policy had "never changed" about any of these things, and they're back in full force removing anything they want from your briefcase. I checked beforehand to confirm if my pliers would meet their standards and they do - even prior to the revision in March. But now the message is, "We'll take whatever we want from you whenever we feel like it."
- July 10, 2013 at 8:44 AM
- Anonymous said...
Please ban all walking canes as you are banning two or multiple piece pool cues. There is no difference between the two and allowing one but not the other is extremely inconsistent.
- September 16, 2013 at 2:34 PM
- Anonymous said...
Might want to take this off the website. Confusing to travelers.
- September 29, 2013 at 4:32 AM
- Anonymous said...
Nice to know. I had my Swiss Army Knife confiscated in NY a few weeks ago, and it met the criteria for being allowed on the plane. Thanks a lot, TSA.
- December 22, 2013 at 8:20 PM
- Anonymous said...
This is stupid, 911 was another pearl harbor and it is perfectly safe to travel on a plane that is very over priced just like our fuel in America. Our great country is falling apart. People need to open your eyes.
- May 11, 2014 at 3:05 PM
- Anonymous said...
Someone without criminal intent carrying a weapon is not infringing on your version of safety. Those demanding zero tolerance are definitely infringing on those of us, that feel we have a right be able to protect ourselves and loved ones. Irritating pacifists are what allows criminals to commit crimes. A responsible citizen, who exercises his /her right to bear arms can change from a potential victim to an enforcer of laws and rights, by fighting back. Those of you who plan take no responsibility for your own safety, like waiting for a response from officials will always be the victim. Reports are always filed after, people arrested after, convicted after a crime has already happened. Your whining is endangering actual Americans who could make a difference in real situations.
- May 28, 2014 at 6:49 PM
- Anonymous said...
I'm curious. I accidentally brought my set of keys for a vehicle I had left at home. I had a small Leatherman on the key chain. It was one of the original Leathermans and I had carried it for years. It was confiscated by the TSA at SEA. I'm guessing the blade was about an inch and one half long. By the same token, a woman got on board carrying a long skate board, perhaps 3 feet long. Makes you scratch your head.
- July 7, 2014 at 7:01 PM
- Sara said...
I have this key chain tool: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004YVAJ/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and the entire thing is only 2.25"long, so the knife portion is much smaller and it was confiscated to DFW airport today. The TSA agent was very hostile about it as well when I mentioned this rule change. If you change the rules, please educate your staff.
- July 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM
- GSOLTSO said...
Sara sez - "I have this key chain tool: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004YVAJ/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and the entire thing is only 2.25"long, so the knife portion is much smaller and it was confiscated to DFW airport today. The TSA agent was very hostile about it as well when I mentioned this rule change. If you change the rules, please educate your staff."
The rule change was shelved after many discussions between TSA, Congressional members, and Stakeholders. Sorry, the item in the link is still on the prohibited items list, and I do not see the changes mentioned in this story coming about any time soon.
TSA Blog Team
- July 16, 2014 at 4:58 AM
- Anonymous said...
TSA Blog team- then update the post. Seriously, why is this still on the internet if its invalid?!
- September 18, 2014 at 3:18 PM
- GSOLTSO said...
Anon sez - "TSA Blog team- then update the post. Seriously, why is this still on the internet if its invalid?!"
The large highlighted statement at the top of the article (added when the changes were shelved) is exactly what you are indicating we need to do. This was updated the week that HQ pulled the recommendations based on feedback from stake holders and congressional members.
TSA Blog Team
- September 21, 2014 at 4:49 AM
- Anonymous said...
I would like to say something to all those who think you should put a multi tool in your carry on. When I travel and I know I'm mot the only one like this, I don't check a bag, I only have my carry on. I have a Leatherman multi tool that I carry on my belt wherever I go. Is it fair to people like me to say you have to put in a check bag when you don't have one?
- December 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM
- Anonymous said...
TSA, get your stuff together and figure out that the people carrying the multi tools are the very people who would try to stop anything from happening.
- December 11, 2014 at 12:42 PM
- Anonymous said...
I went through security at the Cincinnati airport (CVG) where the TSA found a very small pocket knive in my carry on bag after emptying my bag. It was smaller than your pinky finger with a non-locking blade. The TSA security personnel was not aware of any changes to the rules and therefore took the knife. Apparently you need to do a better job at educating your employees!! Congratulations, you bagged a boyscout.
- February 19, 2015 at 12:37 PM
- Anonymous said...
The policy is sensible, look at the blades they are displaying in the literature, they could hardly be referred to as weapons and many people may not realize something they carry could be classified as a weapon. Example I had a small travel kit with nail clippers and a nail cleaner given as a gift, silver plated no less. Even though the nail cleaner was only an inch long and really had no edge per se it was seized from the set as a blade, along with the tiny scissors. Wine cap cutters, nail cleaners, tiny little blades that maybe part of a little key chain tool, they are not weapons, I think the rule allows reasonable flexibility for TSA which will always have the right to seize something they think is potentially dangerous
- March 11, 2015 at 12:34 PM
- Scouse said...
The whole what you can carry is stupid! It is the person you need to examine, I have carried a lock blade 3.5" knife for many years, never stabbed, or attacked anyone yet, but I bet I have used that very sharp blade to cut something, once a day.
Now I do not check a bag, my backpack is good for 14 days.
In carrying a pistol, the thousands of free Citizens with Licenses in FL. do not go around shooting people, just the nutcases, with no licenses!
This 79 year old traveler? A threat?
These pansy panicky travelers, shaking like jelly who have posted here, "Oh, Oh, allowing 2" knives!"
They must all be from NYC.
- March 22, 2015 at 12:19 PM
- Anonymous said...
Planes have been taken over and crashed into buildings with box cutters - all you "must have my knife" or whatever device when I fly - must realize not everyone aboard an airplane is a Seal Team 6 member and Freedom living Patriot like most of you think you are. We do not need a bunch of people bringing every kind of blade or potential weapon aboard an aircraft post 9/11. Somehow you can get by without your folding knife, or whatever, until you get back to skinning game or surviving in the everglades.
- March 28, 2015 at 11:58 AM
- Anonymous said...
And what about the people who don't check luggage? I like to carry a knife on my person because I've been attacked before, and it's a reassurance. Am I to leave that behind on a trip because I don't feel like packing ridiculous amounts?
- April 19, 2015 at 4:06 PM
- Anonymous said...
are tools allowed in my checked in luggage?
- July 31, 2015 at 3:38 PM
- Anonymous said...
For those who have asked, no, the TSA has never successfully stopped any terrorist or threat with at least 14 known terrorists flying through the US post 9/11. Their rules are a joke, their employees are a joke.
- August 8, 2015 at 10:18 AM
- Kirby Andersen said...
What is the reasoning behind a small pocket knife with blade less than 1.5 inches not being allowed in carry on but a scissors with blade shorter than 4 inches is?
- October 19, 2015 at 12:28 PM
- Anonymous said...
I get that for some people personal convenience is more important than their life, but is it worth the lives of everyone else on the plane, too? That's a lot of potential carnage so that you can keep your pocket knife.
And to the guy who pointed out that a box cutter (pen knife, embroidery scissors...) can't reach vital organs.... Two words: Jugular vein.
- July 9, 2016 at 11:45 AM
- Anonymous said...
Can I carry-on junior size golf clubs? There have been articles written that TSA lifted golf clubs from the prohibited items in April 2013. However, golf clubs are still on the prohibited item list on the TSA website. Which is correct?
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