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Wednesday, 21 September 2011
On risk and safety
Needless to say, the panel did not answer his question - though many economic writers of today are indeed attempting to bridge this divide. But it reminded me of a song that some of my students sing, and the conversation I always have with them about the meaning of the song.
The song is "Dona, dona" by Sholom Secunda and was originally written in Yiddish. Only the verses are relevant and I reproduce them here in the translation recorded by Donovan in 1968.
On a wagon, bound for market, there's a calf with a mournful eye.
High above him there's a swallow, winging swiftly through the sky.
"Stop complaining", said the farmer, "who told you a calf to be?
Why don't you have wings to fly with, like the swallow, proud and free?"
Calves are easily bound and slaughtered, never knowing the reason why.
But whoever treasures freedom, like the swallow has learned to fly.
I learned this song when I was eight, and at the time thought it was about a calf called Donna - and was very puzzled by the calf's gender. I know better now.
This song exemplifies the very tension between desire for freedom and need for security that Shiv Malik identified, that different schools of economics portray and opposing political parties espouse. And I believe his point was really that human beings need both freedom and security, so our economic and political structures need to accommodate both of these - degrees of freedom so that calves can grow wings and fly if they wish, and degrees of support and protection for those who, for whatever reason, are not able to fend for themselves as swallows must. We are both calves and swallows. And the degree to which we are "calf" or "swallow" varies at different times in our lives and in different circumstances. In my own life I have been, generally, much more swallow than calf: the choices I have made have forced me in that direction, even when I would much rather have been a calf for a while. Equally I am sure that there are many people who have ended up as calves when they had hoped to be swallows.
In our society we generally aspire to "freedom", but we don't like the risks that attend it. In other societies, people like the protection that comes from conforming, except when that becomes oppressive - then they start clamouring for "freedom". And when times are good we resent government interference in our lives, but when times are difficult we call on government to rescue us. Being a swallow means accepting responsibility for our own lives, including the difficult bits. Being a calf means giving up some of our freedom in order to be cared for by our society.
So it is with business, with government, and with finance. When times are hard, and especially after high-profile fraud cases and financial crashes, we call for increased state control and intervention - "there should be a law against it". But when times are good we want the state to back off and let free enterprise rule. At the moment there are proposals for vastly increased regulation of banks, coupled with varying degrees of structural reform. There are even calls for a complete state takeover of banking. Yet only ten years ago the fashion was for deregulation, a hands-off approach by the state and freedom for financial enterprises to do whatever they wish.
We pay a heavy price for this pendulum swing from too much control to too little, and back again. How do we find, and stay with, the centre point, where free enterprise can operate freely within reasonable constraints set and enforced by the state? What constraints will we accept on our freedom to do whatever we want in the interests of financial stability?
I don't have a simple answer to this conundrum. But it seems to me that part of the issue is people's unwillingness to accept risk. We want to be swallows when we invest our money - after all, we like high returns, and those only come by taking risks, so we want to be able to choose where to put our money in order to achieve the best return. No-one wants to be forced to put their money into a state savings scheme when private schemes offer better returns, do they? But when the risks we have taken turn out to be bad ones and we face the prospect of losing our money, we suddenly become calves, scurrying to the safety of the government cowshed and crying "it's not fair!".
Is it time for us to understand the real risks we take with our money and take rational decisions as to whether safety or risk are more important to us at different times in our lives? Is it time we started to care about whether the companies we invest in are financially sound, economically useful and ethically acceptable? Some people already do. Maybe the rest of us should as well. And perhaps, if enough of us care about these things, the financial sector will start to provide the range of investment options from very risky to very safe that we really need, instead of pretending that investments are safe when they are not and conning us into accepting rubbish returns as a price for the illusion of safety.
Much of the problem in the last financial crisis arose from the fact that investments that had been regarded as "safe" turned out to be anything but. There is in my view an important role for government to ensure that real safety is available for those who need it, and real risk is available for those who want it, and both are clearly identifiable. Tinkering with organisational structures, pretending that some forms of banking are safer than others, fragmenting financial functions - none of these deliver the clarity and openness that we require in order to manage our money. What is needed is clear and accurate reporting and management of risk from end-to-end of the entire financial services industry. Only if there is complete transparency of reporting and accurate understanding of risk in financial services do people stand any real chance of being able to manage their need to be, at different times, both calves and swallows.
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I think you are implicitly assuming freedom exists only as as negative freedom i.e. 'freedom from'. In Hayek's society few would have much 'freedom to'. Personally I think positive rights are incredibly important - a man alone in the Sahara Desert has maximum freedom from but no freedom to.ReplyDelete
I intended it as both freedom from (control) and freedom to (do as you please). The point was that both freedom "from" and freedom "to" carry risk: the swallow is free to fly where it pleases, but it must find its own food and shelter. Conversely, the calf is not free to do as it pleases, but it does not have to worry about finding food and shelter, since those are provided. Unsurprisingly the song itself assumes that freedom is better, but that is a value judgement, and in the blog I question this. Freedom carries risk. When you refuse risk you also refuse freedom. And that may be exactly the right decision for you at the time. As a society we need to accommodate both those who want freedom and accept the associated risks, and those who are prepared to sacrifice freedom in order to avoid risk. What we shouldn't be accommodating are those who want freedom but expect others to take the risks for them. The trouble is that seems to be most of us.ReplyDelete
I love "Dona, dona" - here in Finland, it was a big hit for the local rock band The Roosters in 1965.ReplyDelete
But I've never really thought of the lyrics until you quoted them. And what struck me as inadvertently interesting for the discussion at hand was that the calf is "bound for market". We speak of "the free market", but the market too has its calves. And on the other hand, the swallow's freedom is supposed to be shown precisely by the fact that it is not bound for market - and yet it can go there too if it wants.
Frances Coppola: But how can the government ensure real safety is available for those who need it? Is that possible at all? What abilities does the government have? The ability to set tax rates, the legal right to borrow money, and the ability to regulate. But that's not sufficient to ensure real safety, the ability to set tax rates is not the same as the ability to set taxable income, the legal right to borrow money is not the same as the ability to ensure that it is lent, and the ability to regulate is not the same as the ability to ensure that regulation is always followed (for example, laws against murder have been around for thousands of years and yet murders keep happening), and that regulation doesn't have unexpected negative consequences. (Or entirely expected negative consequences).ReplyDelete
You also say that "Only if there is complete transparency of reporting and accurate understanding of risk in financial services do people stand any real chance of being able to manage their need to be, at different times, both calves and swallows", which implies to me that we will never be able to manage our need to be, at different times, both calves and swallows. I can think of no way that we could ever have accurate understanding of risk or complete transparency of reporting. (And if we did have the latter, no one would be able to read and comprehend all the material reported.)


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LOUDONVILLE, N.Y. – Siena scored eight unanswered goals and held St. John's without a score for the final 44:04 in a convincing 10-4 victory Saturday afternoon atSiena Turf Field. Chris Roth and John Rogener each netted hat tricks for the Saints which finished their season-opening homestand a perfect 3-0.
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Tuesday, May 16, 2017
U14 Girls Youth Soccer
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World Class '01 should be a pretty good team.
And the '02s benefit from having a pretty good base from last year's U14
- August 31, 2016 at 11:24 AM
I thought Cedar Stars GDA will be fee free at older ages?
- August 31, 2016 at 11:56 AM
The WCFC 2002's have 6 kids from MFA including the national team player, who is a difference maker. Their U12 team was excellent, so I would guess the 2003 team will be pretty good as well.
- August 31, 2016 at 12:10 PM
8 02' players from Matchfit and coach i believe, that won ECNL division last year - so team is dominated by Matchfit but should be pretty solid
WC struggles getting the better talent on their own - problem is too much nepotism - Head of Girls side has two daughters playing up when they send tons of emails out saying that's not allowed
Too many daddy's and friends of daddy's coaching at WC
PDA will be very strong 03 team - most coming back from previous team
Much Fit 03 will struggle again
- August 31, 2016 at 12:59 PM
I'd guess MFA 2003 will be .500 in ECNL. Top of the team is very good. May lack depth, we'll know more this weekend.
- August 31, 2016 at 9:23 PM
Any girls left from the njx team on mf
- September 1, 2016 at 8:45 PM
- September 1, 2016 at 10:28 PM
Ah - ya 3
They have no chance. Rec team
- September 2, 2016 at 7:38 PM
How did mf do
- September 3, 2016 at 5:42 PM
The top players are original from NJX. Top half of team very strong, hard drop off after that.
- September 3, 2016 at 6:40 PM
Sdfc will be very diff end this year. Should have been in a much lower bracket at stars.
- September 4, 2016 at 7:33 PM
I bet one SDFC dad is pissed.
- September 4, 2016 at 8:43 PM
What's changed with NYSC? They went from 2 girls teams to 3 per age group? Do they play both EDP and NY NPL as the same team?
- September 5, 2016 at 12:21 PM
I thought that SDFC had mixed results against top teams last year as well. I hope they played well and the games were close. They will recover and they will belong in that bracket again.
True surprise is the Seacoast United team - well done!
- September 5, 2016 at 12:24 PM
As the kids get older the top clubs get stronger and the rest get a little weaker. SDFC is still a very good team, they just won't win many games against the best NPL teams and the weaker ECNL teams. The white flight was clearly the 2nd flight at the tourney, all the perceived top teams were in the Blue flight.
- September 6, 2016 at 8:55 AM
So got soccer has them ranked number one in NJ? Is this why they were in the second flight?
- September 6, 2016 at 9:07 AM
Premier Blue had all ECNL teams. Premier White had a mix of ECNL and NPL teams, including SDFC. No need to slam SDFC because they weren't in the other flight.
- September 6, 2016 at 10:57 AM
Congrats to PDA! Not a PDA parent but all three of their teams did very well. Continue to take away that the top ECNL teams are very strong but take notice that some clubs that are NPL only, their top teams are pretty level with middle of the pack ECNL teams.
- September 6, 2016 at 1:38 PM
What has changed with NYSC?
A: There was a merger
SDFC will have trouble competing with top NPL teams
- no, this is rubbish
Crush Flames seemed to have been slighted, in the fifth flight (6th in NJ), though the 7th ranked team in Mass was in flight 3
(Crush outscores opponents 19-0 for the weekend)
- September 6, 2016 at 3:42 PM
Agree, crush should have been higher, but not because of GS rankings.
Look at the PDA a team, they are ranked way down around 20 in state.
This is where your club has to step up and request the flight you should be in and you would think they would be able to with the amount of teams you have sent there over the years. It looks like crush has a very solid 03 team and probably much stronger than sdfc. By the way, the second bracket looked very weak. I think PDA b team or crush could have easily competed and probably won this flight.
- September 6, 2016 at 4:03 PM
NJ CRUSH has solid team. But like all the rest of their teams, they will lose most of the players next year. They come over from other teams for a few years and then move up to the next level when they need visibility.
- September 6, 2016 at 7:05 PM
Rumor has it FC Crush being considered for next wave of DA. And that was crush's edp team. Their NPL team didn't play in that tourney. Probably strongest 03 group (2 teams) overall in Northern NJ.
- September 6, 2016 at 10:05 PM
Does CRUSH have the F licenses and fields?
As for the better of your 2003 teams, the NPL teams looks much weaker. placing 7 in edp league last year. Look at their got soccer page, shows how weak they really are.
- September 6, 2016 at 10:24 PM
why would anyone trust gotsoccer at this point - after a reshuffle, and when clearly the best team in NJ - PDA ECNL has 20 points and is ranked 247th in NJ (9:00 am on 9/7).
even when youthsoccerrankings puts a disclaimer "It will take several months to establish enough results to publish a meaningful national ranking. Please check back in October."
teams will play, pundits will come up with a top 5 every week. we'll have fun on this forum again.
- September 7, 2016 at 8:58 AM
Never heard anything about PDA ecnl team mentioned on this board in past, you must be one of the new parents. And would assume coming up from Lyons... I'm sure the team is one of the top, but they are new too and need to prove out the season before being ranked number one, by anyone. It also will be tough to decide if they don't play the other top teams.
- September 7, 2016 at 9:14 AM
The PDA ECNL 2003 team that just won top flight at the FC Stars fka Galaxy?
nothing to do with Lyon, also mentioned at September 6, 2016 at 4:03 PM. joy to watch, win or lose.
just dont troll this place with gotsoccer or Lyon or new parent stuff.
- September 7, 2016 at 9:38 AM
Thanks new PDA dad.
- September 7, 2016 at 12:25 PM
PDA traditionally participates in fewer tournaments than other NJ clubs. That is why their GS points and rankings are low. The tournaments they do participate in usually carry very high GS flight point totals though.
Think quality over quantity.
- September 7, 2016 at 3:19 PM
more ammo for the gotsoccer trolls. point allocations are more messed up than their rankings so at U14 fc stars the top bracket was weak. it will take months to recover any quality from gotsoccer
Premiership Blue 3244
Premiership White 7150
Championship Blue 7625
Championship White 5625
League 1 2931
League 2 2808
League 3 1189
- September 7, 2016 at 5:01 PM
2015 FC Stars point allocations for U13
Premiership - Blue 9500
Premiership - White 8500
Championship - Blue 7000
Championship - White 4684
League 1 - 1572
League 2 - 2808
League 3 - 789
- September 7, 2016 at 5:37 PM
2016 FC Stars Prem Blue Bracket U14
FC Stars
Boston Breakers
2015 FC Stars Prem Blue Bracket U13
NJ Rush
FC Stars
Yankee Unoted
- September 7, 2016 at 5:46 PM
This is where clubs like FC CRUSH know what they are doing. 5th flight winner gets almost the same points as PDA for winnining top flight.
They should move up to 4th in state soon and recruit a few more parents...
- September 7, 2016 at 9:41 PM
Do parents look at got soccer rankings to choose a soccer team for their kid? Do parents even know what number rank is assigned to their kid's team?
- September 7, 2016 at 10:21 PM
i did hear parents bragging about their kids' team gotscore rankings. also obsessed about the a team vs b team placement.
- September 8, 2016 at 11:37 AM
That is hilarious. I should come up with a way to numerically rank kids in all their different activities and try to make some money.
- September 8, 2016 at 11:49 AM
GS rankings and points are misleading. Best way to tell if a team is any good is to look at their past results. All it takes is one high ranking team in a flight to carry points in a tournament, but it is fun to look at.
- September 8, 2016 at 5:45 PM
yes, parents are totally obsessed with GS points. They think it actually means something. You'll hear more about it this year with the addition of the "younger" families to this age. GS points mattered for U10-12 teams as it helped get them accepted into premier tournaments.
- September 10, 2016 at 8:19 AM
Our club cares about the points the least. We are most worried about being the best dressed. Putting kids in college comes right after snazy dressing.
- September 10, 2016 at 6:32 PM
What is going on with the FC Bucks U14 ECNL team?
1-12 loss to Boston Breakers
1-10 loss to WNY Flash
Games were in Boston, were they missing players? Missing their goalie??
- September 12, 2016 at 8:36 AM
Wow. What a waste of time and money to have to go play them. Anyway they can move down to another level?
- September 12, 2016 at 10:05 AM
Connecticut did this last year to tne league and ended up not finishing tne season. Looks like ecnl may have two this year that do not belong. Havnt seen any scores yet, but hard to belive they can come back as week as they were.
- September 12, 2016 at 10:15 AM
@ 8:36
They kept the '03s from last year's u13 and are now u15. It cascaded all the way down. Lots of '04s to fill in.
- September 12, 2016 at 12:30 PM
That is nuts. Why would the 03 want to go u15 now and not have a real season. No other club has done this and they should be penalized for wasting everyone's time playing them.
- September 12, 2016 at 12:40 PM
12:40 - completely agree. I don't know of any other ECNL clubs letting '03's play up, especially for the fall season.
Its a waste of everybodys time and just no fun to play against a team like that.
- September 12, 2016 at 12:51 PM
Many clubs have kept '03s at U15, particularly those who are Class of 2021, and in effect, in no different position than their '02 peers who are also Class of 2021.
- September 12, 2016 at 1:36 PM
. . . but maybe not ECNL clubs.
- September 12, 2016 at 1:38 PM
ECNL is on its last legs and will need to reinvent itself once GDA starts. Boston Breaks and WNY Flash are the teams that should be fined for running up the score. Show class and good sportsmanship to the lesser teams on your way up, you see them when they pass you by later on.
- September 12, 2016 at 6:57 PM
Show class? Shut up u loser. They travel 5 hours to play a club that shouldn't be in league.
You need to stay at rec level....
- September 12, 2016 at 7:53 PM
Agree, no reason to play a team that bad at this level. The club/team/coach should know better. These teams travel far and spend tons of money doing so.
- September 12, 2016 at 8:26 PM
League sanctions for fielding a poor team?
Interesting concept.
Mighty ECNL a bit embarrassed?
- September 12, 2016 at 9:06 PM
It is a kid soccer league, not any kind of pro league. Show some class. Just because you decided to buy into this league's hype and spend tons of money and miles you are not entitled to humiliate a team of youth players.
- September 12, 2016 at 9:17 PM
There are miss matches at every level of play, all types of sports, no matter how far you travel, or how much money you spend. There is always a team that is better and worse than yours. Teams don't get a pass on lack of sportsmanship just for playing ECNL or in any other elite league. A good coach can always keep the score under control and develop the team at the same time.
- September 12, 2016 at 11:14 PM
Putting out a totally non competitive outfit is grounds for a sanction vs that club. Especially if it is due to players playing above their age grade - or a club not placing its best team in the division that it belongs
NPL went through this with HBC and with Brentwood. Brentwood survived while HBC did not.
FC Bucks needs to be inspected closely with regards to this matter
- September 13, 2016 at 9:21 AM
Sanction the club if that is what is called for. The kids out playing the game should be treated with some sportsmanship.
- September 13, 2016 at 9:30 AM
The majority of the team is 2004/2022 graduating class. they need to play age appropriate if they can't compete.
I'm sure every 2004 team in ecnl could destroy this team too. Way to go bucks.
- September 13, 2016 at 11:22 AM
The scores could have been much worse.
- September 13, 2016 at 8:36 PM
Confused about nj crush. Is there top team flames or heat? In other words is ny npl or EDP their top team? Or are they different locations and not necessarily A and B?
- September 18, 2016 at 3:09 PM
They are both b teams.
- September 18, 2016 at 4:06 PM
Bucks team just getting killed. And this league has goal differential, so teams can't hold back.
MF not doing very well either, ecnl can be just as weak as any league
- September 18, 2016 at 7:41 PM
MFA has been a little unlucky. You lose 4 games each by 1, they can turn that around. Bucks in an entirely different league.
- September 18, 2016 at 10:55 PM
Re: Gotsoccer points
Yeah, not so much a big deal - until you realize you did not get into a desired event because of your low standing
Tough staying home
- September 19, 2016 at 12:01 AM
9/18 3 3:09pm
FC Crush has two very solid teams - their two teams are both very good and if combined would be one of the best in the area - you would have to give a little leg up to the NPL team but can appreciate that the club is about training/learning not just winning, so they try to keep parity within
Maybe change over time
The northern NJ/NY corridor is littered with tons of talent so there isn't one dominant team
- September 19, 2016 at 10:59 AM
At some point you need a winning team to get the recognition and exposure for college. Some of this is about keeping more players paying the big bucks. It's funny when people talk about clubs and how important training is, when we all now it's about the money... When it's time to combine these teams, all the best players will go to PDA and WC, if they can make the ecnl or da and save money doing so.
- September 19, 2016 at 12:42 PM
its always about the money, you are correct
I would agree that the best go to PDA, but I wouldn't agree to WC. If WC is getting the best players, why are they struggling to win on the girls side when there is so much talent in the northern NJ/NY area? The best players are at Maximus, FC Crush, NYSC, Clarkstown, SDFC and yes some at WC. Maybe when the DA starts it will change, but even that i would argue since many girls want to play for their HS and focus on the college path more then playing pro soccer on the women's side.
- September 19, 2016 at 12:56 PM
Edp looks like a sad league too, with a few teams like the BUCKS. Don't these coaches know how bad these teams really are?
- September 19, 2016 at 3:40 PM
At this age, MF has the second best team in the state as they do at almost every age U14 and above. This will be proven out as the year progresses.
- September 20, 2016 at 6:17 PM
Beauty of playing in ECNL is that you dont have to prove anything. You are already in ECNL. Being in a state with 2 ECNL clubs makes MF a de facto 2nd best team in the state for life. Luckily they wont have to play any other competition,
- September 21, 2016 at 9:10 AM
6:17pm. Spoken like a true MF parent. As 9:10am points out, they will never be able to prove it unless they stumble across another NJ team at a tournament....
- September 21, 2016 at 10:18 AM
MF record this season. Played 5, lost 4, won 1. But 2nd best in the State apparently.
- September 21, 2016 at 10:25 AM
State cup brackets are out.
Somehow put all top teams in bottom half to fight it out.
Nice chance for someone to make it big in top half....
- September 22, 2016 at 10:59 AM
#true about the NJ state cup
just the crush teams and copa in top half.
- September 22, 2016 at 1:42 PM
I just looked at the flights for the upcoming EDP Columbus Day Tournament for U14.... What a joke!! All these supposed "Good Teams", playing soft just to get GS points. Looks like a lot of teams need those soft wins so they can keep charging big fees year to year. Wake up people, you might as well take that money and flush it.
- September 22, 2016 at 10:37 PM
How did the mighty SDFC place so low in the Fall EDP Tournament. The number 2 team only one tier above their B team. Region 1 Champions league. Really seems unfair to the teams in that bracket. I guess those got soccer points are more important than playing up to your potential. What a joke and total waste of money.
- September 23, 2016 at 9:02 AM
Totally agree that all tournament brackets are totally out of whack, but from what I recall SDFC (in its early stages) likes to work out its kinks by dominating all other teams. Perhaps it's a strategy?
They played some tough teams at Stars, and not they need to get back on the tiki-taka style they like to play. Hard to get it going against tough competition.
- September 23, 2016 at 10:49 AM
MF is far from second best team in NJ.
- September 26, 2016 at 10:32 AM
2nd best ECNL team in NJ by far!
- September 26, 2016 at 12:35 PM
Looks like they had a rough trip yesterday. 8 hours to get a beat down by a team from buffalo... Maybe they are the second best team in NY too.
- September 26, 2016 at 12:38 PM
I would think with the age change and DA coming a lot of players make the change at u15. MF definitely has some good players but are not yet a complete team. I would expect that to change drastically next year.
- September 26, 2016 at 1:31 PM
Not sure, they have a terrible reputation going back years. Nothing to do with the players or parents, just the organization.
But they should pick up all the kids that don't make PDA DA and want that avenue.
- September 26, 2016 at 2:03 PM
I saw on another message board that Sereno, Mustang FC, and Matchfit have pulled out of the girls DA. There were links showing the first two dropping out but I didn't see anything about Matchfit, so I'm not sure it's true.
- September 26, 2016 at 4:49 PM
Dum de dum. Those are clubs who dropped out of the Boys DA.
- September 27, 2016 at 4:50 PM
PDA has the three best teams in the state. I know MFA took a beating this week, but I would bet they are in that next group if not at the top.
- September 27, 2016 at 4:52 PM
the letter from sereno soccer club on the board mentioned above was from sept-20 and they were saying they are pulling out from girls DA for very specific reasons/staying ecnl.
same with mustang:
> USSDA Academy (US Soccer Academy League / Boys Only / Mustang no longer is a participant)
there was no real proof of match fit pull out. but based on the match fit philosophy (dog-eat-dog, compete to make minutes on a team, move players frequently) an idea of a fixed mixed team, that would further drain resources from an unprepared ecnl side - makes perfect sense - but i hope it aint true
- September 27, 2016 at 5:21 PM
Just hope da is a little cheaper with less silly travel then ECNL.. (and that my player can get in of course). IF not, whaat's the point, it will be the same as what we have now.
- September 28, 2016 at 11:21 AM
DA is about 70% more than ECNL, full freight.
- September 28, 2016 at 11:18 PM
1118 - where does that figure come from? Are you saying just the fees alone could be Over 5k. 3,000 + 70%. Then another 70% on top of current travel and other cost?
Are they really going to practice 4 days a week? How are these clubs going to find field time for all these teams to practice so much, when they also have so many other teams still in need of fields? i have a son playing DA now and it's brutal getting fields.
- September 29, 2016 at 9:14 AM
Not this age group. but at the older age groups, Cedar Stars said their NJ Da will be fee free for girls. So I guess just the travel costs.
- September 29, 2016 at 11:21 AM
DA costs are right around 5K. There will be some subsidies, but I would guess many players will still pay the full freight. The 5K makes sense with 100% more training IMO. Of the top 50 kids in the state at all ages, my guess is more than 50% pass on the DA. For a club to fund the entire cost before travel for a Girls DA would be about 400K per year. Cedar Stars could do that if they choose to. They have the big money behind them. DA takes way too much commitment, won't be for everyone.
- September 29, 2016 at 3:53 PM
I agree with 3:53 about a lot of kids opting out of the DA. There is no pro path, which is really the benefit on the boys side. We'll get one extra practice per week versus the current ECNL schedule and it appears that the cost for the year will ensure that the extra practice is paid for by the parents. High school won't be an option. I know my kid has enjoyed playing with her friends for school but she says this wouldn't stop her from going DA. The main thing is what will happen with combined birth years. Would you really want to be a younger age group in a two year band and end up as the 20-30th player on the roster? There are less games and pro substitution rules, which means 14 players can play maximum in a game. I can't see many kids liking this. I wonder if the DA clubs will run a Pre-DA team for the younger age group to ensure kids are playing. I know Continental has done that for the younger kids on the boys side. Either way, I am struggling to see a lot of benefit of adding an extra practice.
- September 29, 2016 at 5:35 PM
The only good thing about the DA is getting rid of the lazy coaches at PDA. They roster to many because they can. They practice very little and play in a few tournaments and only ecnl events. They never go above and beyond, because there are no better options.
- September 29, 2016 at 8:11 PM
Agree with previous poster about multiple trainings per week and field time. We can only practice twice a week at PDA and every field is packed and usually two teams per field. and I know WC has same issue.
- September 29, 2016 at 8:39 PM
What if a significant portion of top talent does not go DA because of cost, time, school sports, distance, etc.? Will those that are in the DA still be presumed to be the best because they carry the DA brand? How will anyone know that DA is in fact the best? Will its teams venture out to play others? As an analogy, is FC Bucks presumed to be an elite team just because it plays in the ECNL?
- September 30, 2016 at 12:56 PM
12:56 - I think it is much more likely that this happens; that the DA actually further dilutes the talent pool between DA, ECNL, and NPL. We can only be sure that the DA will cost the club more to support, and if they are losing membership as a result, they will drop it. It seems likely that the cost will remain high, so I really do not see any benefits over ECNL.
- September 30, 2016 at 1:07 PM
The current choices are equally exclusionary in terms of distance, cost and time right now. Perhaps the fee free choice will be able to serve some of those talented players struggling with the financial costs. The Da will not include that many players so I think all these leagues can survive in some form. If not, the market will have spoken.
- September 30, 2016 at 1:49 PM
Is there really a marketplace in US Women's soccer for DA? From my experience a lot of parents seek "winning (x2), prestige and playing-up" as symbols of club where they would wish their kids to play. DA seems to go against that grain.
I wish DA was a supplemental program that worked along clubs.
- September 30, 2016 at 3:37 PM
There is a big market for it in the upper middle class bubble. That is why it exists.
- September 30, 2016 at 5:46 PM
Why are EDP Cup having finals and 3rd/4th playoffs on the Monday?
- September 30, 2016 at 10:50 PM
For the same reason WAGS finals are on Monday, it's a holiday for many and field use can be spread out (or there is more hotel use if you are a cynic).
- October 1, 2016 at 8:16 AM
EDP Cup gives teams the option for 2 day or 3 day as some schools are not off on Columbus Monday. That's why all the brackets seemed screwed up with good teams in lower brackets, because it was split 3 day then 2 day.
- October 1, 2016 at 9:59 AM
Is brentwood/atletico the old ISA team? They seem to be putting on some impressive games these days.
- October 7, 2016 at 8:15 AM
8:15am. What impressive games are you talking about? Them losing to Clarkstown, SUSA, SDFC, HMMS, South Shore since the start of the Season? Or them winning against the NYSC B team, Princeton, Manhattan, East Islip and Baltimore?
- October 7, 2016 at 1:57 PM
the same. brentwood was so bad last year, so im impressed they are putting up wins and seem to be playing close games..
btw. whats the nysc hierarchy?
- October 7, 2016 at 3:47 PM
Not sure what the shout is for, arsenal placed third in a average bracket. Keep in mind, when the the girls from high school come back in late fall and spring, then you will see some really tough teams playing.
- October 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM
I think you are lost, parent whose daughter used to play for Maximus.
They are playing U15
- October 10, 2016 at 3:54 PM
That could be about 30 kids..
- October 10, 2016 at 8:16 PM
How is EDP going to handle final placement given they had to bail on the 2nd day of matches? Any reason more top teams didn't show up to EDP?
- October 11, 2016 at 12:01 PM
12:01pm. No points get awarded when tournaments get cancelled due to weather
- October 11, 2016 at 12:37 PM
Pda probably would have won, not that they are so good, just no comp. and they don't care about or need points.
- October 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM
I had clarkstown as a favorite to win! PDA not in this bracket
- October 11, 2016 at 1:41 PM
So MF has horrible teams at every level and now they have lost their DA status. This club is done, sad.
- October 12, 2016 at 7:43 AM
They declined DA. It wasnt taken from them.
- October 12, 2016 at 9:13 AM
any idea why a club would decline DA if they were accepted?
- October 12, 2016 at 9:56 AM
The cost of the DA all in is close to 6K per kid not including travel which is easily another 4k. MFA does not have deep pockets, it's a player funded not for profit and I do not think they thought they could find 75 kids who were DA caliber, who would be able to make the commitment and be willing to pay. The commitment is huge, 4 days per week, no other sports, no HS soccer. I am sure they talked to a lot of kids who would be interested and the response was lukewarm. Think of the poor parents. Wait until you see the scores of some of these DA games, half the clubs will bail as soon as they can is my guess. There is good news, nobody has to go to buffalo, they put the WNY Flash in a league that goes to Illinois.
Remember for MFA, they are rebuilding their club after relocating the ECNL teams to Denville. this would have been an ambitious endeavor.
- October 12, 2016 at 10:33 AM
The other side for MFA is that they frankly don't have 20 kids in the club who would be interested in the DA, who are DA caliber. They would have to recruit 50-60 kids, not realistic and not something anyone there wanted to do. If they have been in Denville for 3-5 years, may have been more likely. The older kids have very little interest in the DA.
- October 12, 2016 at 10:36 AM
MFA still struggling with ECNL in most age groups, and they like to move players between teams throughout the season. So taking top 11 players from each age group and "locking them in" for a DA team would totally destroy their other ability to compete in other leagues as well as the carrot/stick mentality of moving players.
- October 12, 2016 at 11:01 AM
The only ECNL teams playing right now are U14. Last years teams were all good, none struggled. How are they struggling in all age groups?
- October 12, 2016 at 11:06 AM
Your points all make sense (not 100% agreement) but I wonder why they initially applied to begin with, they had DA on the boys side so knew what, at the very least, what it was about. I highly doubt (could be wrong of course) That USSF would change the format for GDA.
I think their dilemma could be said for almost all the ECNL teams except maybe for the ones that have the financial backing of a pro club or private investor.
Eventually with ECNL or GDA one will dilute the other too much and only one will prevail. Then there will be some very good soccer players without teams to play on and then those players will be fighting to get into that one league that wins.....then back to where we started. Unbelievable that these 2 organizations could not get together and simply create another division within the current structure that teams COULD enter into if they wanted without another complete new setup.
Way too many chiefs getting/involved in US soccer for us to develop consistently as a nation.
- October 12, 2016 at 11:28 AM
Maybe they sold their rights (unreported under the table) to CEDAR
- October 12, 2016 at 2:22 PM
Cedars stars is building their headquarters in Tinton Falls I beleive, so thats in that freehold area if im not mistaken. Seems like Cedar stars will be strong competitive to PDA. Both have big money owners who will spend like crazy to build out their club. Cedar stars is maybe more innovative and has more current trainers.
- October 12, 2016 at 2:56 PM
MF pulling out of DA for "Player Developmental Reasons". What a load of nonsense. I presume that is their stance after the Girls DA told the 03 ECNL team that right now they're the face of MF ECNL and their performances aren't good enough in ECNL as they've lost every game?? All about development over there.
- October 13, 2016 at 10:39 AM
** Girls DOC not Girls DA. Oops
- October 13, 2016 at 10:41 AM
Cedar Stars better hope for a huge turnout at tryouts for their DA. CSA needs to offer free tuition for GDA for all age groups in order to make it attractive. CSA has something good here, let's see if they blow it.
- October 13, 2016 at 1:11 PM
Hearing cedar stars complete mess.
- October 13, 2016 at 7:16 PM
MFA 2003 group has had some injuries, and depth is a problem. But grow up. You seem like you're in 8th grade, which I guess could be possible. 2003 group is better than their record. Let's see how they do this weekend.
- October 13, 2016 at 9:59 PM
What is the strategy at CS in having only the older age groups tuition free? Why not try to attract as may as possible in all the age groups?
- October 14, 2016 at 10:41 AM
stop kidding yourself. a team is only as good as their record or a combo of their record and excuses. MF2003s is an average group at best. no standouts at all.
- October 14, 2016 at 12:29 PM
Every team has injuries. We have 4 starters sitting out and getting by just fine. Sounds like you are blaming your lower half, we all have them too. How is your commute to practice these days?
- October 14, 2016 at 12:48 PM
Any MF-PDA score from this morning?
- October 16, 2016 at 3:06 PM
I see they they tied WC yesterday. Looks like they just play defense against every team. One goal all season.
- October 16, 2016 at 4:42 PM
Match Fit club is a disgrace. This age group is not altered by injuries. Problem is the coaching and the players. Coaches in club is a disgrace, DOC barely shows up and when he does, he is on the phone the whole time. New USA Coach, is a disaster. Really you cry when a parent confronts you, you are an embarrassment to the so called Coaching Fraternity. Every age group from U15 below will struggle bad this year. I am not familiar with older teams, assume they will be competitive.
2003 age group 1 goal for and 16 against. This team is comparable to FC Bucks, laughing stock baby
- October 16, 2016 at 7:47 PM
ouch! thats a scathing review of this club. with so many great clubs and positive environments available, at this age, why would anyone roll the dice on such a messy situation? Go elsewhere, quickly!
- October 16, 2016 at 8:39 PM
- October 16, 2016 at 10:07 PM
just looked at MFA results. 6 games, no wins, 1 goal for, a whole lotta against. next match, they have to drive 4 hours one way to Mass beyond boston for another scoop of humble pie, a miserably long ride out and a painful ride back. all to probably score no goals, get no points, but all because my daughter really loves the sports!!
ha ha.
- October 16, 2016 at 10:20 PM
MF just took any player to those younger teams even though not of quality. Better players went elsewhere. I would never go another one of their teams. Stay away. Listen to what people to what people have to say. All true
- October 16, 2016 at 10:41 PM
MFA is always on twitter bragging for the dumbest little things. So today is the biggest day for bragging rights in NJ.ECNL clubs and they lost to PDA 5-0 and 2-0 at U13 and 1-0 and 4-0 at U14 AND they just forfeited the U15 game because they don't have enough players!!
Not a word on their feed...#wegotourbuttskickedtodaybyTHEPDA
- October 17, 2016 at 1:17 AM
Sounds like an angry ex matchfit parent who kid got dumped. MF is a lost cause right now, but let's hope they get it together. NJ needs another strong club after PDA. To many half ass clubs splitting up the talent and promising parents the world. Clubs like stallions, crush, sdfc all need to go away... They are all money grabs and one level above rec and only keep a few top players each, can never compete. This is one of the reasons MF is so weak. They are really just the old NJX teams with a few additions.
- October 17, 2016 at 8:32 AM
@1:17, You do realize this is about Girls Soccer, right? Please locate your maturity or find a new obsession.
- October 17, 2016 at 8:39 AM
hell, a 0:1 against the top team in the conference is not bad. i understand that its hard to play possession against a team that packs 11 players in the box, but a 1 goal loss must not be that bad.
i have no clue how the game went down, but on paper it has a sense of #whew
- October 17, 2016 at 9:10 AM
bickering and going tit for tat is not going to help us as a nation to continue to get better at soccer.
what we should be looking at is not the losses (some team will always lose) but how does the team play. At 0-1 loss could have been a great match , 1-2 could have been great...heck i have even seen matches that a team lost 0-3 or so but yet played great.
How many times have we seen a youth match where both teams are playing hard, playing good soccer but then one team lets a goal in (on a mental break down) and there spirit gets broken and the deluge begins.
What we should look at is are they learning, are they trying things , are they developing skills, are they being taught a system by the coaching staff that they can emulate in the matches. If they are not then those teams should be evaluated by the leagues admin and should be dealt with. At some point these teams, coaches and leagues need to have some accountability. They should not be allowed to simply be allowed to collect peoples money.
- October 17, 2016 at 9:26 AM
The MFA NPL team got crushed by PDA Crew. Not even one shot on goal. It looked like Crew played keep-away the entire second half, not sure if they did it the whole half because I left when my daughter got bored watching.
- October 17, 2016 at 9:59 AM
Anonymous said...
Match Fit club is a disgrace. This age group is not altered by injuries. Problem is the coaching and the players. Coaches in club is a disgrace, DOC barely shows up and when he does, he is on the phone the whole time. New USA Coach, is a disaster. Really you cry when a parent confronts you, you are an embarrassment to the so called Coaching Fraternity. Every age group from U15 below will struggle bad this year. I am not familiar with older teams, assume they will be competitive.
2003 age group 1 goal for and 16 against. This team is comparable to FC Bucks, laughing stock baby
October 16, 2016 at 7:47 PM
The person that posted the above segment sadly can only be a Matchfit Parent. Who else would even know about a coach allegedly cried when confronted. The team does have some issues and there seems to be a lot of finger pointing as to what the problem is. But the way I see it, if you are unhappy with the team then leave... Why bother standing on the sidelines acting like a tyrant and bitching about your child's lack of playing time.
- October 17, 2016 at 10:49 AM
8:32 is panty waste
- October 17, 2016 at 11:21 AM
why do you choose to disparage other clubs like SDFC, Crush and Stallions? Clearly MF is not offering the level of development that players want otherwise the above referenced clubs wouldn't be getting top talent. I am a FC Crush parent and it is an amazing environment for my daughter - very little politics, no daddy coaches and quite honestly probably the strongest NPL teams in the area (look at the standings) year after year.
The beauty of soccer is there is a place for all. Parity is a good thing not a bad thing. If MF, WC, FC Bucks or other "elite" clubs can't draw the best talent then maybe they are not the best programs but just have big names playing in ECNL leagues. PDA doesn't seem to have a problem drawing the top talent, tells you something.
also keep in mind with girls DA, if your daughter is great, she will be found regardless where she plays.
- October 17, 2016 at 12:34 PM
Mf 03 is an incomplete team. After having a weak u13 pre ecnl team and losing players due to break up/ moving of club that is to be expected. Add a new coach to the mix and you see the results you get. Morr players will join. Ecnl is a big upgrade. The comments about the splintering of talent in north jersey are spot on. When your kid is a top player in order to progress they need to play with other top players and no bad players. The variance of soccer knowledge on all these teams sdfc, stallions,crush, arsenal makes it difficult for the top players to advance their game. If players cant see one or two moves ahead and are only passing to feet how does one learn to make the correct runs? So by creating mediocrity out of this parity it is actually a real disservice to the top players.
Give mf time. They may have a down year but look at the college score card. Only PDA is better. Stallions is 3rd. All other clubs feed to middle tier colleges.
- October 17, 2016 at 1:25 PM
Crush is a very sensitive club. I'm surprised, I thought everyone has already left... One man standing in defense.
- October 17, 2016 at 2:34 PM
Im the defender. My kid not on team. Have seen them practice. Coach is very solid. Will just take some time and a few more players. They just tied world class. Another victim of over clubbed north jersey.
- October 17, 2016 at 3:02 PM
Wasnt it said that Crush was an excellent feeder for the top teams?
If so they must do something very well at the younger levels.
- October 17, 2016 at 4:09 PM
Crush is so good. They are the best at developing kids in the whole world. I wish my kid could make crush. Then maybe she would make a solid d3 squad.
- October 17, 2016 at 6:21 PM
Hmm. U14 is when the hater parents start pumping roids.
- October 17, 2016 at 7:02 PM
Crush just takes the best athletes from the rec club in their town like everyone else, nice try. One year and you develop them?
Every club can claim this. The high school coaches can take credit for development the national team players too, right?
- October 17, 2016 at 8:20 PM
Crush has a U6/U7 Academy. But yes, of course some kids come later on.
I dont know what you are smoking.
"Takes from their town...."
What town is that?
- October 17, 2016 at 8:41 PM
The Person who posted about the MFA coach, we all know this type of deluded parent. What parent at this age even approaches the coach to talk about their kids playing time? Feel sorry for your kid. The PDA parent deserves to give MFA shit, but the MFA parent giving the coach shit is obviously a much big loser.
- October 17, 2016 at 8:47 PM
how about, we are being lied to and this parent confronted the lies. if you go to bed with a coward DOC and ECNL director. Well as a coach you will be subject to handle their dirty laundry. This coach cracked and cried, DOC and ECNL left her to hang
- October 17, 2016 at 9:44 PM
@841 torpedoes red teams. and you had no clue?
- October 17, 2016 at 10:01 PM
You weren't lied to, you deluded yourself into thinking your kid was ECNL caliber when she isn't. Maybe the club should have been more upfront with you and not offered ECNL. Even if you were lied to, it wasn't the coach who lied to you. Why take it out on her? Have the cajones to take it right to the DOC or ECNL Director. Probably a good idea for you to move along when the Fall season is done.
- October 17, 2016 at 10:17 PM
What exactly are the lies and promises not fulfilled? Just curious.
- October 18, 2016 at 5:25 AM
Pure conjecture here but the only thing that makes sense is they believed said kid would be a starter and now said kid not playing much. If said kid is that good why dont they move to arsenal crush or stallions where they will continue to be developed. Maybe the kid not yet ready for ecnl.
- October 18, 2016 at 8:04 AM
Why do Stallions keep getting mentioned on this site?! You do realize that every team below the 01/00 age isn't at a high level? Like previous posters said, even their older teams will be struggling now due to the birth year change. They've had 1 successful team who were at 3 Clubs in their time and ended up at Stallions and now Stallions are being heralded as the next option outside of ECNL!
- October 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM
Stallions keep getting mentioned because Shaun is the only guy in the area outside mf and pda with a strong call into colleges. I would prob say stallions is pick em with world class.
Now look at the.clubs who have some talented trainers and focus on development. Stallions. Maximus. One guy from crush. Maybe sdfc.
Crush sdfc and maximus dont have the college placement track record. Therefore they are great places to get your kid to A level but not long term solutions. Stallions is the best alternative to ecnl.
- October 18, 2016 at 9:30 AM
just so i understand, the only way for your daughter to play for a good college soccer program is for the club/coach to have relationships there?
That is coming from people that know nothing about the college process and probably haven't played in college let alone HS. I have been through the D1 college process and the coach did very little. The recruitment process was based on merit alone and that is how it happens. Great players will be found. yes a coach's relationship can get a player looked at but let's be real folks. Your daughter goes to college show case, 100 college coaches on the sideline, a few acknowledge there are good players on the field and contact the coaches. that's how it goes. If you are interested in a specific college, you send a video highlight of your daughter and let them know you are interested in their program.
Let's not get caught up in what program your daughter plays for, as long as they are getting the exposure opportunities can be created.
- October 18, 2016 at 10:06 AM
9:30am. How short sighted. So i presume based on that statement that you know EVERY coach in North/Central NJ and their relationships with Schools? Give me a break. Plenty of coaches out there know College Coaches throughout the Country. But like 10:06am said, if your daughter is good and is getting exposure then she'll get seen regardless of what Club she plays for.
Most get noticed at a Showcase after sending countless of emails and then attend 2-3 of the schools camps (or vice versa), get watched a couple more times at other Showcases and then if you're lucky an offer comes in. It's not as simple as "Coach, can you give Rutgers a call for me and tell them my daughter wants to play there?". If you're joining that Club because that's what you think then i feel sorry for your daughter dealing with your lack of knowledge on the recruiting process.
- October 18, 2016 at 10:28 AM
10:06 that statement is a little idiotic. Thats akin to saying the only way to become a millionaire is to win the lottery. Of course there are multiple paths to every outcome. So your kid was able to do it without any assistance from coach or club. Awesome. Its just ignorant not to look at tge coach/club track record and infer that they are either good at getting them in front of the school showcases id camps etc or arr good at developing kids with college attributes. The unknown is what they do that colleges like. The known is that colleges like whatever they product they have. No one said you cant get to uva from a random club. Actually there are 6 non ecnl kids out of 30. So now ecnl vs non is 80-20. Non ecnl are lamorinda (close to ecnl) stallions, beadling pa, 2 va, one charlotte. Its just seems irrational to want to make a 20% bet. There is one answer pda. If that doesnt work mfa wc pf. Then stallions. Best of luck but I like winning bets.
- October 18, 2016 at 10:58 AM
10:58 is spot on. Thats why match fit will be good in a years time.
- October 18, 2016 at 11:06 AM
There is also a lot of potential misinformation. Like on crush site i couldnt confirm that the alumni that went to top schools rostered there. Im not saying they didnt just could not fconfirm. The stallions kids actually are playing for the schools listed. Not just attending.
- October 18, 2016 at 11:15 AM
Where does it say that Stallions alumni are playing there? My guess is the 2000/2001 teams going to play few notches below Match Fit in the showcase tourney. That's why a bunch of girls from Stallions joined Match Fit.
Also, having Region 1/ID2 players will further attract college coaches.
- October 18, 2016 at 12:45 PM
You need to go into the college rosters to check. The stallikns dynamite team checks out.
Did a lot of 03 stallions go to mf? Did not hear that. Their u13 team was not good.
- October 18, 2016 at 1:04 PM
Can anyone explain to me why you would choose sdfc? Other than u live in montclair? I have seen their kids become progressively marginal. The kids they have with solid skills all came from outside. Their teams are starting to lose. They dont advertise college placement. Whats the hook seriously?
- October 18, 2016 at 1:17 PM
@10:58 - what is idiotic is your complete lack of comprehention of the post. As mentioned, showcases will get a player exposure, hence the club participation, coaches can make calls, but in the end it will come down to the players ability. Neither the club nor the coach will make a call and get your daughter on the team at a college. if 20% of the players at UVA were not ECNL, one of the top girls programs in the country, then you would have to assume that lower level D1 schools likely have a larger % coming from non ECNL. Point is it is about the player not the league. Yes most of the top players are in ECNL, but that doesn't mean that is the only route. And let's agree to say this, if MF, WC, and others didnt have ECNL affiliation, they would be subpar programs, because most of the players are not developed at these clubs. The players come in to them when they desire to play at a high level more then get top training. These ECNL programs don't have to have the best training because by virtue of players coming to play ECNL, they basically get away with being subpar. The non-ECNL clubs HAVE to have better training programs to be able to stay in business and compete because they lose their best players. That's my opinion.
- October 18, 2016 at 1:21 PM
I agree if the player cant play for the school then the club will not matter. Also agree there are different tiers of d1 programs it just depends on what is best for your kid. If you think your kid can be at a top level d-1 school it is almost impossible not to go ecnl. But training comes in different forms. Some kids still need intense technical only. Other kids need more awareness and team play. But the top kids by this age to keep progressing need to play with players that can push them physically and with a soccer iq high enough to challenge them mentally. It is that final stage where the ecnl adds a lot of value. Some kids may be great soccer players. Some may be great atletes but most top ecnl players have something a bit Special.
- October 18, 2016 at 1:37 PM
I think Crush just graduated their first class of players
How is it they are supposed to have a collegiate track record?
- October 18, 2016 at 9:30 PM
1:04 Stallions Dynamite is an anomaly.
It was an SDFC, a Crush team, and then for the last 2 years a Stallions team. Glory to the screamer coach. Has he found another team that can duplicate that success, even at an individual level? He had a bunch of other teams that pretty much broke apart after few years with everyone joining Match Fit or World Class (or even worse IGFA).
- October 18, 2016 at 9:34 PM
Just look at the crush website.
- October 18, 2016 at 10:20 PM
When these clubs put colleges on website, half the time these girls are going for very, very little or no money. Looking at crush, there are several not even playing currently at these schools. Not sure why, but not on rosters.
Cryer even sent out a press release a few years saying that all his girls got full rides a few years back. even though several were going Ivy League. That was one he wished he never sent... All these start up clubs mean well, but they are all now in it for ego and money. They were great years ago when they were young and working for sdfc. They also have had very little exposure and experience to the our college recruitment process and have very few relationships. This is where a PDA has a huge leg up, years of relationships, experience and track records. Ecnl also helps in a big way. I know WC isn't great, but a big step up from the clubs mentioned above.
- October 19, 2016 at 7:32 AM
Crush has been around forever. They had great teams and put a lot of players into college say 6-10 years ago. DOC went to Stallions and took a lot of their players.
- October 19, 2016 at 8:28 AM
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- October 19, 2016 at 9:04 AM
After reading all the negative comments on this u-14 match fit team. Their last 2 results were very encouraging. Tied world class and lost 1-0 to a first place pda team. Are you people serious that 6 games in you are ready to throw a team in the fire like that. Typical american sports mentality. Sad.
- October 19, 2016 at 9:07 AM
wow, wasn't the idea of playing sports and competing to have fun, get better at something, learning about how to part part of a strong team and a leader. Seems like the lesson many of you have been taught and then are teaching your kids is something of elitism. You can bang on Crush all you want, but i can tell you that the girls on our team adore one another, love the coach, love the program. our parents, for the most part, dont sit around talking trash about other teams and just enjoy whatever success is lucky enough to fall on us. Since when is it admirable to be an obnoxious elitist talking down to others because you elected to go to an elitist but less successful program? Have you ever wondered whether your kid would even have a spot on that illustrious but lesser quality team if the top 2,3 from all the "halve-nots" decided to come to tryouts?
When the dust settles and her playing days are over, I think you'll realize you made way too much of this unnecessary. How you act, is how your daughter will act.
- October 19, 2016 at 6:08 PM
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- October 19, 2016 at 10:27 PM
The coach is mellowing out since the split from stallions. He still has to tendency to drive girls real hard which may be too much for some kids.
- October 20, 2016 at 10:52 AM
These guys are all jumpers
Sdfc, crush, stallions all the same.
- October 20, 2016 at 1:23 PM
Those clubs should all merge and then would have one really good team. Could create a DA. And be really strong. As it stands each has just 1-3 good players.
- October 20, 2016 at 2:28 PM
Even with 3 good players per team, and a 3 way merger it would be hard to field a 22 person DA team.
- October 20, 2016 at 3:08 PM
But its 2 birth year groups. So 12 per year.
- October 20, 2016 at 3:26 PM
coaches jump from all programs all the time
PDA keeps most trainers but WC, MF have lost many of their top trainers
Maximus coach has one of the best from WC
MF Coach just left for WC and took players with him
WC top coach left and at Clarkstown now
SDFC and Crush (other then Cryer Stallions team) are in a higher league then Stallions - SDFC and Crush girls end up leaving and going to PDA, WC and MF. If SDFC or Crush were granted ECNL or DA they would keep and get more talent then WC and MF - better training better organized clubs. We end up at places that we don't necessarily want to be because that is where the highest level of competition is once over U15. Been there done that
- October 20, 2016 at 3:44 PM
Let it go crush. You have no fields and no teams. You have lost every good player you have ever had. And they all started and were trained somewhere else. Your u5 academy program is a little much....
- October 20, 2016 at 8:38 PM
yes, you are right, one of my daughters left as well.
I guess the post was a little over your head because if you read it you would understand i said they leave. Guessing Crush rejected your daughter since you only have negative comments to say.
Good luck to you. Haters end up losers.
- October 20, 2016 at 9:54 PM
Crush is just average in the pack of B level clubs. Average players average coaches. Maybe one or 2 decent trainers. Not gonna take your kids to the next level.
- October 21, 2016 at 8:53 AM
People are so foolish. The Club does not take the kid to the next level, the kid takes herself to the next level. Crush has absolutely all the necessary items to allow a kid to be special and if you checked the facts you'd see several PDP, ID2, Region 1 and Select Region 1 invitees. That therein is the issue. You elitists think your inclusion in an elite invite-only cult makes you special, makes your kids special, and make sthem better. It doesn't. yes, many kids on these ecnl and gda teams are outstanding, outrageously great players and great kids with great families. My guess is that those are not the trolls surfing this site. As many up here have said, when the dust settles and this ferris wheel ends, your kid will a product of you. and lord help those kids of some of the nasty parents up here, they'll hopefully be able to be better people than you. You all are like these elite golf club richie rich folk who think that the players who work at the local courses are no good, beneath you and your precious children. Quoting this site, its a good thing many of these top kids from these secondary clubs dont want to be part of your elitist hangout else your kid probably doesnt have a spot on the team!
- October 21, 2016 at 11:10 AM
be thankful for the fools, for not for them the rest of us would not be successful
- October 21, 2016 at 12:12 PM
Elitist means that it is out of the financial reach of certain people. The cost at most of these clubs ecnl or npl is about the same. If your kid can play at the highest level why are you not seeking to compete against the highest level. Yes i get it there are kids at these other clubs that are great in their age group against current competition. How do you know where they really stand if you dont see them play against the best teams. Pf pda mfa world classs. Those teams dont play you because its a waste of their time. Just like top d1 coaches. The special kids will trickle up to the top level. And leave the mediocre clubs/teams even more mediocre. Look at the national team rosters its all ecnl. If your kid can play ecnl/da what are you waiting for? Your stubborn reluctance is only limiting her opportunities.
If your kid is #1-2-3 on their team then they are not in a great spot to learn. Their learning curve slope will be flattened because of the players around them. You want your kid to find a team level to ideally be 5-9 on a roster. This way they will be pushed and challenged and learn. You need to keep moving them up levels until they either have no more levels or are in that 5-9 sweet spot.
Contrarily if your kid is 11-15 maybe you should move down a level.
The hardest thing is to honestly appraise your kids talent. Seek outside opinions. But if you think your kid is good enough for ecnl/da go to a practice and see if they get invited.
Once you have the answer then you can decide.
Does that sound so elitist?
- October 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM
Apparently there was an interest for NPL/ECNL competition that is getting solved - at least on the boys side:
Whole ECNL/NPL structure is troubling. Lots of weak spots, no relegation. More marketing than training provided by the respective organizations.
I also have a different development model from the one mentioned above.
Field players dont necessarily develop their skills by being placed against other players at a higher level on a curve. Fundamental skills are developed through deliberate practice typically based on an internal drive of a player. Passing accuracy, first touch, shooting technique are such fundamental skills. Being 1-3 or 5-9 on the team has very little to do how the kid can improve, the motivation can comes from social media, individual classes, or other events such as PDP and NTC camps.
Then you have certain other skills where different degree of difficulty allows you to master them. Whether it's a 1v1 skill or group defending (which you need to develop by increasing opponent's capability - not by diving into the most difficult situation).
Even being a best player in a given position does not mean you are best at every position, but can also lead to a lot of added leadership responsibility - I'm not buying that being 5-9 has any of that - and it may be a key attribute when moving out of the soccer life.
Finally you can also break up the team into positions the 1-3 or 5-9 analogy does not work. For instance, when you look at barcelona's MSN - each one of the players has some unique strengths and weaknesses that they add to the mix. However, they also depend on the great midfielders. Crappy play from Rakitic or Iniesta meant they suffered 2 losses from not-so-great teams.
- October 21, 2016 at 2:12 PM
First of all using Barcelona as an analogy for team make up of any kids team does not work. Every player on that team has world class skill.
The problem with youth teams less so with ecnl teams like pda but more pronounced on the local clubs is the tip to tail variance in skill and mental level.
I do agree with you about the technical side but also feel like the best technical trainers are accessible through private camps clinics like red bulls and more.
My assumption good or bad was that the 1-2-3 kid was at the top of technical development and also athletically gifted. Thus development and growth was from the mental game learning arena. You can watch all you want on tv but until you start using and having actual success and failure then you dont really gain knowledge. Its like saying you can perform a surgery by watching on tv.
An example of what i am talking about is creative play. If player A wants to make a back heel pass but player B does not recognize or expect or have the awareness to be in position for that pass then after 1-2 failures player A regresses to simple standard play. How is that good for player A's development.
On a similar note if players are only able to pass to feet and are not playing to space how does that help a player develop.
My point with 1-3 5-9 etc was that you want to play with kids that are at a similar level mentally so that you can push them and they can push you.
To crystalize this think of an extreme example. Assume Ronaldo were to play with the best college team in the US. He is so many standard deviations away from their level what is he going to gain? Zero. So as you bring that example back to youth soccer how much less is number one learning than #10? I would say significantly.
Can #1 still learn. Sure. Just not as much as they could being in the ideal environment.
If your kid is at that top level wouldnt you want to see them maximize their opportunity?
I do.
- October 21, 2016 at 3:02 PM
I kind of agree. Dont you think if DA works the way they hope its much better for the kids?
- October 21, 2016 at 3:50 PM
It sounds like 1-3 and 5-9 is the argument against the DA. When the DA team is a mix-up of 2 age groups it is clearly to provide 2 different opportunities to kids over a long term.
One year you're the 1-5.. the next year you're 5-9. No matter how you look at it. Good clubs do it by mixing up age groups in practice, and I have seen it done at all of the A and B clubs alike. Match Fit does it especially well - they mix up their teams from game to game.
- October 21, 2016 at 5:41 PM
what a joke. more entitle wealthy know it alls telling everyone else whats right and whats wrong. how about just shutting your traps and do what you believe in, rather than telling everyone how you have it right and they have it wrong. has it ever struck any of your incredo=geniuses, that maybe, just maybe, despite your sucking on all the marketing bullet points hook line and sinker...maybe just maybe you have it wrong. geez, couldnt be. after all you've been doing this for 3 decades with hundreds of kids, right? do what you think is right, just stop telling everyone else how wrong they are.
- October 22, 2016 at 4:30 PM
Angry little troll...
- October 22, 2016 at 9:08 PM
Im kind of tired of hearing that ecnl is an elitist system. All these clubs cost between 2200 and 3000. Uniforms are usually extra. Id say most between 2500 and 3000. So you are telling me $50 a month is keeping you from playing top level? I think if your kid can play there and make an impact im sure they can find scholarship money at any of these clubs. dont let the many scare you away. Any club can find ways to help.
Travel can be pricier with ecnl but i bet rush blue families paid more last year. I just wouldn't let money be a deciding factor. Just like college.
- October 22, 2016 at 9:32 PM
For many money is NOT the deciding factor
- October 22, 2016 at 11:21 PM
Mf looking surprisingly competitive after a win and tight loss. New team. New coach. Will probably be strong in the spring. No affiliation actually just thought this blog overly critical.
- October 24, 2016 at 12:31 PM
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So, I work for a training and employment company in a very multi-lingual area. As such, it isn't common for people to come in off the street and as if we run English course. We don't.
I am, however, a recently qualified English teacher and my boss considered that I could run a beginner course in house and teach groups of people.
Now I don't mind doing this, but at the same time, I'm not sure.
a) Is it legal? Does our establishment need to be licensed to run English courses?
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Day 3 of turkey leftovers (took a night off last night to eat at the best Mexican restaurant in Buffalo). We love turkey, and we really loved the 2003 InZinerator with it. It has aged beautifully, none of the Port-like character that some people find objectionable in a Zin this old. Sure wish we had more of that. Thanks to Cheron98 for this one.
2004 Trinitas PS.
Frickin' delicious! Like, WOW, delicious.
2006 Gazzi Pinot...no Syrah here. This is great stuff and I wish I still had more.
2010 Kent Rasmussen Esoterica Sauvignon Blanc
2007 Ridge Santa Cruz Mountains Cab
It was a good night!
My wife's pot roast recipe called for a splash of red wine and I didn't want to open anything toobpricey to put on a pot roast so it's a Duke night, she opened a quaffmor.
Had a pre wedding reception get together last night with friends. Lets see if I can remember
2005 chateu margiene ( paso Robles) cab. Very good, would rate 90 but still should lay down for at least another 5 years.
2007 cdp( can't remember name, should have been first, to light against the others)
2003 corrison cab, always good, still think 2001 was far better.
The sleeper/ unknown that we tried was Elul by seahorse from Israel .93 points all the way. Wish I had cases of this. Had the Munch by him prior and was just as please. May need to order more from seahorse.
Started out with the end of last nights 2007 Castello di Bossi Corbaia Toscana IGT, spectular bottle!
With grilled Salmon and roasted rosemary potatoes 2009 Evening Land Bourgogne Pinot Last bottle buy and 2005 Stonier Pinot. IMHO the Evening Land is acidic plonk with no fruit and no tannin, and the Stonier is far better if you like earthy pinot.
Slow-cooking some ribs on the grill right now with a good dry rub. Going to open the 1996 Foppiano PS and give it a go. Actually, I should probably open it soon to let it get air and see whether it needs a decant.
2007 Edmeades Mendocino zin. Came in at 15% or so, but was hoping it wasn't a fruit bomb. It went AWESOME with the beef short ribs, but it was a meh wine, otherwise. Too much fruit bomb, and I had high hopes for it (fyi, Turley is often in this range, and I love their zins, so I was hoping for this).
Opened a 2008 EOS PS to have with curried lamb shanks. A fair amount of fruit, which was a great match. Likely since this is young, the fruit comes through more. We enjoyed this.
And have two more shanks for Monday. I need to do as well for wine pairing then. Pressure!!
'04 Wellington Victory, with leek and potato soup and whole grain bread. A little tight on opening, but it opened up beautifully with about 20 minutes of decanting. Still plenty of aging potential, but I couldn't resist opening one of the bottles we had on hand.
Tomorrow's woot cellars offer.
kylemittskus wrote:Tomorrow's woot cellars offer.
Well that's a neat trick. I'm wondering if it's the one we saw a sneak preview of at the Halloween party...
I'm drinking 2008 Pinot Gris from Balletto. Tasty.
It's yummy.
Cesare wrote:It's yummy.
I'm not so big on it. I'd say it's average, although I'm guessing the price will be also. Notes will be posted at 10:02 PM PST.
I suppose that means get the credit card ready!
1997 Ardente Estate Winery Cabernet
This is one really good wine
No one spotted the hidden message yet ;)
Cesare wrote:No one spotted the hidden message yet ;)
It's hidden and we've been drinking.... What do you think? ;)
2008 Twisted Oak Petite Sirah Calaveras County
Great with a grilled rack of lamb!
I did. Clever. Didn't know you could do that.
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07 Jean Edwards Alder Springs Syrah. Hot D*mn this is good. Worked with a MR New York steak, but it's mighty fine all by itself right now.
neilfindswine wrote:07 Jean Edwards Alder Springs Syrah. Hot D*mn this is good. Worked with a MR New York steak, but it's mighty fine all by itself right now.
Good people behind that wine.
kylemittskus wrote:Good people behind that wine.
They also make a fantastic cab! Napa and a Stagecoach vineyards.
yes. quite clever.
for me tonight, woot cellars Pour Pour Me, not my style although the remaining bottles will be kept on hand as I think its a crowd pleaser for sure. Had it with chicken tortilla soup and soggy corn bread.
tytiger58 wrote:They also make a fantastic cab! Napa and a Stagecoach vineyards.
...the Stagecoach was up on a woot-off a couple'o months ago..,
neilfindswine wrote:...the Stagecoach was up on a woot-off a couple'o months ago..,
Yea for 1 second IIRC or was it in the middle of the night?
No, but a simple search revealed the message anyway :p
2008 Vindemio Regain Cote de Ventoux CDR
Rogue Voodoo Donuts Bacon Maple Ale...Ornaments Make Festive Garland...spendthrift but awesome...probably shouldn't have had all 750ml in 20 minutes but it was soooo good
2010 Le Rocche Malatestiane Pagadebit di Romagna
2006 Tallulah Syrah Bald Mountain Ranch
kylemittskus wrote:2006 Tallulah Syrah Bald Mountain Ranch
Is that stuff still drinking well? I absolutely loved the first bottle I had, so have been avoiding drinking the second.
Had a 2005 Domodimonti Picens last night.
Definitely needs some air time as it was really muted on pnp. After some time in the decanter it opened up a bit. Definitely not a lot of fruit here but some interesting peppery, leather flavors. Nice medium finish but the tannins were a little more drying than I normally prefer. Not a bad wine, but definitely nothing remarkable. We will if changed at all overnight.
Celebrating Friday with a 1984 Raymond Cab
This is looking to be a surprise! Bought this via auction for a great price, taking a gamble. Delicious from initial pop and continuing to develop as it gets some air. Have some Reserve from the same year that I'm now really looking forward too!
North316 wrote:Is that stuff still drinking well? I absolutely loved the first bottle I had, so have been avoiding drinking the second.
I'll post further notes, but on the PnP, huge wine. Delicious.
From CT:
2006 Phoenix Ranch Napa Valley Syrah
Last bottle of lance and windmill PS
kylemittskus wrote:I'll post further notes, but on the PnP, huge wine. Delicious.
Have resisted pulling corks on this so far. From your notes, it sounds like this has plenty of time left.


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For some reason public safety has been a hot topic for me of late. I recently presented at ZTE's Public Safety Summit in Dubai, where there was an audience of public safety officials and telecommunications ministry representatives from the Middle East and Africa. One element of the presentation that sparked interest and audience questions was citizen engagement.
We often think of public safety in terms of emergency services – police, fire, and ambulance; and, for many people, public safety first conjures up images of the police chasing bad guys – likely the effect of too many TV shows like Cops or Southland. But as I defined it in a previous blog, public safety covers a broad range of issues that touch a city's inhabitants: crime prevention, traffic control, health services, public infrastructure management, and any of a list of emergency services including those for natural disasters such as earthquakes and flooding or incidents like urban wildlife sightings as well as fire or riots.
In order to better act as the eyes and ears of the city – particularly given the mandate of doing more with less – many public safety organizations are returning to a kind of community policing – through better engagement with citizens. This isn't a new concept.


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WATERBURY, VT -- Keurig Green Mountain Inc. has signed a multiyear agreement with Nestlé USA to bring Coffee-mate branded coffee with creamer to K-Cups.
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Blackburn, a 20-year veteran within the athletic department, has served in many capacities during his tenure, include assistant recruiting coordinator, director of recruiting compliance for all men's teams, director of football operations, assistant athletic director for development, and associate athletic director for football.
Blackburn has direct oversight of the football department, serving as the football sport administrator. In addition, he has also served as the sport administrator for both track and field and swimming and diving.
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He has personnel oversight as well as responsibility for the coordination of preseason camp, in-season practice sessions, travel, bowl arrangements and the football budget.
A Loudon native, Blackburn graduated from UT after serving two years as head football student manager and student assistant under head coach Johnny Majors. He joined UT Athletics in a full-time capacity in 1992 and has served in a number of roles, including five years as an assistant athletics director for football administration under head coach Philip Fulmer.
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I don't know the method, but around my Portuguese neighbourhood here in Toronto, we see a lot of bacalhau, or did see, before the cod stocks collapsed.
Once prepared, these split, board-sized chunks of fish can survive seemingly indefinitely, but must be soaked for some time before they are edible. Apparently, these days, it's done in Norway, the only place decent-sized cod are still available.
I have tried drying fish in the past. This is a very dry and normally windy climate. Summer is way too hot (50* C) for curing fish outside. Even cleaning fish is touch and go because the fish are half cooked by the time you've finished cleaning them. But other seasons are fine.
I was told to just pack the fish in coarse salt for 48 hours. It actually worked although I'm going to try the brine next time. Crazy ru that was a very helpful post. Interesting about the sugar theory sasha.
My experiment came out quite dry and very salty. I ate it as a snack with beer (you do need a fair amount of beer on hand because did I mention it was salty.. ). That's the way the guy who showed me how to dry the fish ate it, but I do know you can cook with it as well...
Early cruising sailors often dried fish as a way of perserving them. I have a couple of books with pictures of fish curing up in the rigging while passagemaking.
I also smoke fish regularily in the winter. I'd love to get a good recipe for pickled fish if anybody wants to share!
Originally Posted by CrazyRu View Post
As soon as you add sugar and vinegar, it is pickled fish
Pickled fish
As soon as you add sugar and vinegar, it is pickled fish
You don't use any acid (vinegar) at all in your brine?
I like salt, bit of sugar and some vinegar...the vinegar is a powerful bacteria killer during the drying porcess and adds a little zingy tang to the taste.
sugar aids evaporation once the salt has drawn moisture to the surface. It doe snot take very much, but salt crystals that have sugar near them go all porcupinish and have much more surface area, thus they are better at wicking away and evaporating moisture.
As anyone that has had clothes soaked in seawater knows, salt water actually keeps cloth moist for longer...You can thus aid your salt water laundry practices on board by adding a 1/4cup of sugar (or better yet using sugar soap) with the salt water rinse. Clothes will dry faster and feel nicer. (Once dried, the clothes can be shaken out breifly, the very spindly nature of the effected crystals means that all those little spines snap off very easily, leaving behond much less salty clothes!
There you go, fish preservation and laundry tips all in one!
By the way. I also have a Russian background, having been born in Odessa. Somehow the idea of crusing along with 200 little fish hanging to dry from your topping lift as you sail along fits better in the Black Sea then it does in most other places.
Dried fish
I'm native Russian. Dried salted fish is a part of a diet. It's best with beer
I don't think climate and humidity is a big problem, however it is contributing factor.
If you want to try to make your own dried fish here are some ideas.
Start with smallest fish you can ketch, palm sized are best. If you get big one, cut it in small thin strips. Leave skin on. Normally we dry small fish with intestines intact; they provide some great delicatessen later. However, it's probably better to gut it for the first time.
Prepare the brine.
It is simple. You will need a fresh potato (reusable), salt, water. Dilute salt in a water until the potato floats. A soon as potato starts floating in the brine it is right concentration of salt in water.
Soak a fish in the brine for three days. Fish must be submerged.
Then hang fishes on open air, preferably in the shadow. Sailing is ideal conditions for drying a fish constant breeze is a best. Just tread fishes on a whine and hand them somewhere. Make sure all liquids in a fish can drain easily, hang it by the tail.
Three days later you will have a delicatessen. Or little piece of poison. It depends.
It was simplest recipe for salted fish.
Later we can talk about cold smoked fish, hot smoked fish, pickled fish, and caviar.
You cannot use one of those drier things in too humid an environment, because it will only ever pull out the amount of moisture that is more then the surrounding atmosphere is carrying.
Also, the hot driers such as the one you describe are fast, but rob food of a lot of its flavours and boil off many natural preservative volatile oils/fats, long before all the water goes away. Fruits and vegetables don't have them, so it is no loss, but meats do and you are sacrificing quality for convenience.
Jerky done at room tempreture with a strong airflow is way better then trying to raise the heat to fight the humidity. You end p sort of steaming the food to death, rather then drying it.
The smoing suggestion was excellent, but I like using a small electric hotplate or electric frypan to heat the woodchips...much more control.
General rule of thumb, if you want lots of intense flavour transfer quickly because you are "cooking in smoke" instead of pure smoking, then small wood chips (sawdust) are you friend. If you want to take three days to smoke something then you go for the larger half-fist sized wood chips. You can also do a mix, putting in the large chips and getting them going, and then adding a handfull of sawdust to turbo-boost the smoke (I tend to do this when I open the door and rotate things around on their racks, Because a lot of the smoke gets out while I am doing it, I just toss in a handfull of sawdust into the chips, and five seocnds later...Lots of smoke again)
|Smoking is easy on a boat: Just close the top vents on the Magma grill, and toss in a mesh bag of soaked wood chips. Alder, hickory, mesquite...
|I have a couple of those plastic ketchen dehydrating devices used to make jerky; they provide low heat and allow air to rise through several racks. I was thinking of trying one of those in a warm humid climate. If it works well, I might carry one on the boat with a seal-o-matic type vacuum sealer. Another idea was to put them in a plactic bag with a vacuum pulled on the bag and left overnight to dehydrate it. I'd rather not smoke it by fire, too much trouble. One can also vacuum seal food in plastic and radiate it heavily with X-rays, but I think this would be too much trouble. I am looking for the best preservation method, that is convenient.
Just to make it celar, you need to do the drying on land. A boat never ever gets dry enough inside or out to allow proper dessication.
Catch em, gut em, salt em, bring them back to land and dry them.
COLD dry and windy climates are much better then hot ones, but the dry and windy is essential, as humidity will spoli the fish before the moisture can be removed.
In humid climates the preservation method was canning/jarring the fish in oils, pickle brine and other liquids.
choose whether you want to dry the whole fish or just fillets. Fillets are especially good for smoking, and the result takes up less space, but whole fish drying tastes "better" to those that enjoy dried fish (the bones release gelatin during the drying process and this richens the meat taste)
Experiment, but BE SAFE, some areas need insect screening, some have other airbourne contagians that will spoil and harm the result....
finding someone with local knowledge is always a good idea for your area.
Remember, if you are going to try smoking the fish, avoid resinous woods like pine, and be aware that the fish will still need refrigeration after smoking, it will just last much longer in the fridge.
If you are going to dry fish, it makes sense to ge one of those vaccuum sealer systems. They are great for all sorts of things around the boat anyway...and they are a must for keeping atmospheric moisture out of dried meat products. Otherwise one humid day, or someone having an espcially long hot shower at your house can spoil an enitre pantry worth of dried fish by rehydrating it
.It won't technically spoil, you will just have to A) notice it straight away and B) eat the whole supply within a day!
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'The delay centers around a list of roughly three dozen conditions that Adelphia's creditors faxed to Hamister late Wednesday. The list came less than 48 hours before Hamister expected to sign his deal to buy the Sabres, several sources revealed Monday.'
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