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Right-Wing Media Freak Out Over New Defense Strategy
Following the Obama administration's announcement of an overhauled defense strategy that will guide cuts in defense spending, the right-wing media have claimed President Obama is "weakening national security" and marking a "new milestone" in "America's strategic retreat." But experts have said that the proposed plan is fiscally responsible while remaining "the world's most dominant military."
Obama Instructs Military To Reduce Spending While Maintaining "Strategic Interests"
Reuters: Secretary Gates Initiated Review To Cut Spending "Without Jeopardizing The Country's Strategic Interests." From Reuters:
A review of U.S. strategic interests that will guide Pentagon budget cuts in coming years is expected to propose keeping fewer troops in Europe and abandoning the goal of maintaining a force that can fight and win two wars simultaneously, administration officials say.
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta will unveil the results of the eight-month strategic review on Thursday at a joint news conference with Army General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Pentagon said on Tuesday.
The review was initiated by former Defense Secretary Robert Gates after President Barack Obama asked defense officials to cut some $400 billion in planned spending over 12 years without jeopardizing the country's strategic interests. [Reuters, 1/4/12 [1]]
Right-Wing Media Respond To Obama's Defense Plan By Claiming He's "Weakening America"
Limbaugh: Obama Is "Weakening National Security." During the January 5 broadcast of his Premiere Radio Networks program, Rush Limbaugh said: "We have a president who's cutting the defense budget now. His priorities are winning the future, paying off his whacko donors and weakening national security in the process." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 1/5/12 [2]]
Kilmeade: "We Put Together This Fine Force, And In Our Generation, We Are Going To Rip It Apart." On the January 6 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade responded to the proposed defense cuts by claiming that "we put together this fine force, and in our generation, we are going to rip it apart." From Fox & Friends:
KILMEADE: There's nothing wrong with cutting the budget and leaning it out and finding out if there's ways -- if salaries are too heavy a burden. But here's the thing. You cannot do this at the same time: Refuse to cut Medicare, refuse to cut the entitlement programs, increase spending on welfare, so the military has to be the sacrificial lamb, arguably the most successful -- the successful part of government in our history. We put together this fine force, and in our generation, we are going to rip it apart, and those generals that stood behind the president have to speak their minds, and General Dempsey, does he really agree with this as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Because it's outrageous. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 1/6/12]
Hoft: Obama Is "Weakening America And Punishing US Military Families At The Same Time." In a January 6 Gateway Pundit post, Jim Hoft claimed that Obama "plans on putting half a million US soldiers and Marines out of work. ... It's his way of weakening America and punishing US military families at the same time." [Gateway Pundit, 1/6/12 [3]]
Rubin: Obama "Is Willing To Pare Back Defense Spending To Dangerously Low Levels So He Can Keep Spending." From a post by columnist Jennifer Rubin on The Washington Post's Right Turn blog:
President Obama is determined to have national security on the cheap. Or to put it more accurately, he is willing to pare back defense spending to dangerously low levels so he can keep spending like there's no tomorrow on the domestic side.
It is somewhat jaw-dropping in its cavalier attitude toward national defense. Obama does not even keep up the pretense that the threats determine our defense budget. He's decided to budget only enough for some threats. [The Washington Post, Right Turn, 1/5/12 [4]]
Washington Times: Defense Plan Is "A New Milestone Marking America's Strategic Retreat." In a January 5 editorial, The Washington Times claimed, "President Obama's new defense strategic-guidance document sends a clear message to America's adversaries: Go for it." From The Washington Times:
President Obama's new defense strategic-guidance document sends a clear message to America's adversaries: Go for it.
The Obama administration frequently produces major publications that belie their own titles. For example, the president's first of several budgets with trillion-dollar-plus deficits was titled "A New Era of Responsibility." The same could be said of "Sustaining U.S. Global Leadership," the strategic document introduced with great fanfare at the Pentagon Thursday morning. This mini-Quadrennial Defense Review is an eight-page admission of American impotence.
The document is a new milestone marking America's strategic retreat. The Cold War-era requirement that the United States be able to fight and win "2 1/2 wars" was downgraded to "two major-theater wars" during the Clinton administration. Under the new guidance, we are down to a war and a half. "Even when U.S. forces are committed to a large-scale operation in one region," it declares, "they will be capable of denying the objectives of - or imposing unacceptable costs on - an opportunistic aggressor in a second region." So, while Washington will pledge to defeat one adversary, in the second, smaller conflict, U.S. forces will only be able to play for a draw. This was a strategy that worked well in the Vietnam War - for our enemy. [The Washington Times, 1/5/12 [5]]
Fox's KT McFarland: Defense Plan Will "Invite Aggression Against U.S. Interests Around The World." In a January 5 FoxNews.com op-ed, Fox News national security analyst KT McFarland claimed that "[t]he legacy of the Obama cuts will be even worse [than President Carter's], and invite aggression against U.S. interests around the world." From FoxNews.com:
Whose bright idea was it for the president of the United States to unveil his defense budget cuts the cusp of a crisis with Iran and in the Pentagon's briefing room? -- What were they thinking?
When I came into the Pentagon at the beginning of the Reagan administration we found ships that couldn't sail for lack of fuel, planes that couldn't fly because pilots didn't have the minimum training hours, and tanks that were patched together with spare parts cannibalized from other equipment. And most shameful of all, we had Vietnam Veterans whose medical needs were not met, and enlisted military personnel whose pay was so low they qualified for food stamps.
That was the legacy of the Carter administration's defense cutbacks.
The legacy of the Obama cuts will be even worse, and invite aggression against U.S. interests around the world. Because, guess what, President Obama has only begun to cut back on America's defenses. There is another half trillion dollars of cuts on the horizon. [FoxNews.com, 1/5/12 [6]]
Experts: America "Would Still Be The World's Most Dominant Military" Under New Plan
Adams: America "Would Still Be The World's Most Dominant Military." A January 2 New York Times article quoted Gordon Adams, a fellow at the Stimson Center, as saying that the United States "would still be the world's most dominant military" after the defense cuts. From The New York Times:
"Even at a trillion dollars, this is a shallower build-down than any of the last three we've done," said Gordon Adams, who oversaw military budgets in the Clinton White House and is now a fellow at the Stimson Center, a nonprofit research group in Washington. "It would still be the world's most dominant military. We would be in an arms race with ourselves." [New York Times, 1/2/12 [7]]
NYT: "There Is Broad Agreement On The Left, Right And Center That $450 Billion In Cuts Over A Decade ... Is Acceptable." The New York Times article further noted:
Pentagon officials, in the meantime, are in final deliberations about potential cuts to virtually every important area of military spending: the nuclear arsenal, warships, combat aircraft, salaries, and retirement and health benefits. With the war in Iraq over and the one in Afghanistan winding down, Mr. Panetta is weighing how significantly to shrink America's ground forces.
There is broad agreement on the left, right and center that $450 billion in cuts over a decade -- the amount that the White House and Pentagon agreed to last summer -- is acceptable. That is about 8 percent of the Pentagon's base budget. But there is intense debate about an additional $500 billion in cuts that may have to be made if Congress follows through with deeper reductions. [New York Times, 1/2/12 [7]]
Hurlburt: "How Dramatic Are These Changes? Not Very." In a January 5 post on The Huffington Post, National Security Network Executive Director Heather Hurlburt wrote:
How Dramatic Are These Changes? Not very. 2012 and 2013 Pentagon spending will represent the first real declines in military spending in more than a decade; but the total 8% cut envisaged is less than the Reagan defense builddown of the 1980s (yes, you read that right). As Colin Powell said: "When the Cold War ended 20 years ago, when I was chairman and Mr. Cheney was secretary of Defense, we cut the defense budget by 25 percent. And we reduced the force by 500,000 active duty soldiers, so it can be done. Now, how fast you can do it and what you have to cut out remains to be seen, but I don't think the defense budget can be made, you know, sacrosanct and it can't be touched."
Moreover, even if the more dramatic cuts in the Budget Control Act sequester were enacted, they would only return the Pentagon to 2007 levels. (Dear Congress, please return the value of my house to its 2007 level. ASAP) On the strategic level, the much-ballyhooed move away from maintaining the ability to fight and win two regional wars simultaneously is less than meets the eye: the change has been discussed since the Cold War ended, and even as we fought two wars to something less than "wins" in Iraq and Afghanistan, military strategists have quietly moved toward a "win-hold-win" model where we have enough forces to, for example, respond to a North Korean attack while keeping the Taliban out of Kabul until Pyongyang was vanquished, and we could resume the mission in Afghanistan. [The Huffington Post, 1/5/12 [8]]
Korb: "Panetta's Pentagon Cuts Are Easier Than You Think." In a January 4 post on Foreign Affairs, Center for American Progress Senior Fellow and former Reagan Assistant Secretary of Defense Lawrence Korb called the cuts "easier than you think" and explained that "the Pentagon does not have a resource problem ... it has a management problem." From Foreign Affairs:
This week, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta is expected to announce a strategy for cutting hundreds of billions of dollars from the defense budget. Civilian and military leaders have reacted with apocalyptic warnings, decrying the disastrous impact such cuts will have. They claim that without proper resources the United States will not be able to protect its interests around the globe.
But the Pentagon does not have a resource problem. As even the Pentagon's strongest supporters agree, it has a management problem.
At the end of Eisenhower's first term, the defense budget was $380 billion in today's dollars; at Nixon's, it was $398 billion; and at George H.W. Bush's, it was $435 billion. At George W. Bush's, it was $478 billion and at the end of Barack Obama's, the baseline budget will be no less than $475 billion and probably closer to $525 billion. If Obama's military and civilian team cannot protect the nation with that much money, especially in the absence of an existential threat such as the Soviet Union, he needs to get a new team, especially a new deputy secretary of defense. [Foreign Affairs, 1/4/12 [9]]
Korb: "[W]e Are Still Going To Have An Army That Is Still Bigger Than It Was On 9/11." In a January 5 post on Yahoo News' The Envoy blog, Korb further stated:
"Even if we didn't have a financial crisis, we would redo the strategy," countered Larry Korb, former Reagan administration Pentagon assistant secretary and a national security expert at the progressive Center for American Progressive [sic], in an interview with Yahoo News Thursday.
"Again, we are still going to have an army that is still bigger than it was on 9/11," when it was at 480,000 troops, Korb continued. "If we got into two large ground wars again, we now know the [National] Guard and Reserves are pretty effective. You can call them up and use them. And if worse comes to worse, you still have the Selective Service and can get large forces going there."
"We are still spending more [on defense and the military] than the next ten countries combined," Korb added. [Yahoo News, The Envoy, 1/5/12 [10]]
CNAS' Andrew Exum: "[F]ew Of The Cuts Currently On The Table Will In Any Way Harm The Standing Of The United States As The World's Preeminent Military Power." In an January 6 email to Media Matters, Andrew Exum, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security, stated that "few of the cuts currently on the table will in any way harm the standing of the United States as the world's preeminent military power":
Whenever you cut the budgets of the Dept. of Defense or the intelligence community, you assume some risk in terms of how readily the United States can meet national security threats. And in an election year, any cuts to the Dept. of Defense will quickly become political fodder. Most centrist defense analysts share the Obama Administration's conclusion that we can cut our ground forces and shift some forces out of Europe without assuming too much risk. Most defense analysts also share the concern of the Dept. of Defense that any further cuts brought on by sequestration would render the Dept. of Defense unable to accomplish all the tasks expected of it by civilian decision makers. For that reason, it is important that the U.S. Congress make whatever compromises they must make on tax increases and entitlements to prevent further immediate cuts to the budget. But few of the cuts currently on the table will in any way harm the standing of the United States as the world's preeminent military power. [Andrew Exum email to Media Matters, 1/6/12]
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ARSC HPC Users' Newsletter 290, April 16, 2004
- ARSC Staff Moving To New Building
- X1: New OS and Programming Environment
- POSIX Fortran Library Routines
- SX-6 Loading ScaLAPACK MathKeisan Libraries
- ARSC Research Seminar
- Quick Tip
ARSC Staff Moving To New Building
After 10 years in the UAF Butrovich Building, most of ARSC's staff is moving approximately a quarter mile North, to the brand spankin' new, West Ridge Research Building.
The high-performance computers, storage silos, systems, and library, primary network devices, and a handful of staff members who need frequent access to the hardware are staying put.
Our network presence, e.g., domain names, email addresses, web addresses, ftp site, etc. will not change. We'll have a new physical mailing address and new phone numbers, not to mention the benefits of a new building, including new training and visualization facilities.
Furniture will be installed next week and people will start moving the following week. We'll let you know our new phone numbers, etc., as soon as they're activated.
X1: New OS and Programming Environment
Within the next couple of weeks we will be upgrading the OS on klondike to UNICOS/mp 2.4 and installing Programming Environment 5.2 (PE5.2).
PE5.2 will be available for testing (as a non-default programming environment module) for a limited time before we make it the default. Keep an eye on the MOTD and news items, and once its installed, you might try it and let us know how it worked.
POSIX Fortran Library Routines
Different operating systems and vendors use different mechanisms to provide the functionality of common Unix system calls to Fortran programs. Four of the more commonly used system utilities are:
"system" : to issue a shell command from Fortran "getenv" : determine current settings of environment variables "iargc" : determine the number of command line arguments "getarg" : get a command-line argumentThese utilities are available on ARSC's primary systems, as follows:
OS SYSTEM GETENV IARGC GETARG ========== ====== ====== ====== ====== AIX yes yes yes yes IRIX yes yes yes yes UNICOS no yes yes yes UNICOS/mk no no yes no UNICOS/mp no no no no
Cray provides the same functionality using the POSIX API. Thus far in porting codes to the X1, we have encountered calls to the above four routines, and replaced three of them with new interfaces to equivalent POSIX routines. The "SYSTEM" system call is not in the set of POSIX functions, so we call it from a C function which is then called from the Fortran code.
Here's more on the POSIX library, from Cray's X1 man page, "intro_pxf":
The POSIX FORTRAN 77 Language Interfaces Standard IEEE Std 1003.9-1992 (POSIX.a) defines a standardized interface for accessing the system services of IEEE Std 1003.1-1990 (POSIX.1), and supports routines to access constructs not directly accessible with FORTRAN 77.[...cut...]
The man page lists all the POSIX functions with short descriptions, and there's a man page for each function itself. From Cray's on-line manual,
Cray X1(TM) User Environment Differences - S-2310-51 Chapter 2. Fortran Differences
here's a list of the older functions replaced by PXF routines (Note that this is NOT an exhaustive list of the PXF routines supported on the X1-- see "man intro_pxf" for that):
Older PXF Interface Interface Routine ========= ========= ACCESS PXFACCESS ALARM PXFALARM CHDIR PXFCHDIR CHMOD PXFCHMOD CHOWN PXFCHOWN CHROOT PXFCHROOT CLOSE PXFCLOSE CREAT PXFCREAT DUP PXFDUP FCLOSEDIR PXFCLOSEDIR FCNTL PXFFCNTL FILENO PXFFILENO FORK PXFFORK GETARG PXFGETARG GETOARGC PXFGETARG GETCWD PXFGETCWD GETENV PXFGETENV GETEUID PXFGETEUID GETGID PXFGETGID GETHOST PXFUNAME GETPGRP PXFGETPGRP GETPID PXFGETPID GETSTDPTR PXFFILENO GETUID PXFGETUID GETVARG PXFGETARG GETVARGC PXFGETARG IARGC IPXFARGC KILL PXFKILL LINK PXFLINK LSEEK PXFLSEEK OPEN PXFOPEN PAUSE PXFPAUSE PIPE PXFPIPE RENAME PXFRENAME SETGID PXFSETGID SETUID PXFSETUID SLEEP PXFSLEEP STAT PXFSTAT TIME PXFTIME TIMES PXFTIMES UMASK PXFUMASK UNAME PXFUNAME UNLINK PXFUNLINK UTIME PXFUTIME WAIT PXFWAIT
SX-6 Loading ScaLAPACK MathKeisan Libraries
The order in which you specify libraries to the SX-6 linker is important.
The SX-6 linker, by default, does not do a cyclical search through your list of libraries as it tries to resolve unsatisfied references. If you'd like it to do a cyclical search, pass ld the "-hlib_cyclic" option. This f90 compiler option will do it:
Alternatively, list the libraries in the correct order, which may be easier said than done, as we discovered this week. A user had problems linking a program that uses both ScaLAPACK and LAPACK routines. The solution was to list the libraries in this order:
-L$(LIBDIR) -lscalapack -lblacsF90init -lblacs -lblacsF90init \ -llapack -lblas -lmpi
Visit http://www.mathkeisan.com/ , for the load order for the other MathKeisan high-performance SX-6 libraries.
ARSC Research SeminarTAKING SUPERCOMPUTING TO THE LIMITS Erik P. DeBenedictis Sandia National Laboratories
2 pm Monday, April 19, 2004, 109 Butrovich
This talk presents a new way of thinking about supercomputing. We have been thinking about supercomputing relative to Moore's Law, always expecting performance to increase from generation-to-generation but not knowing where the end will be.
We will relate the predictions of experts about technology evolution and its implications to where supercomputers will be when Moore's Law runs its course. For a supercomputer of a size that might be found in a supercomputer center or a defense lab, physics limits performance to about 50 Petaflops for a microprocessor-based system and about 5 Exaflops from a "best case" architecture.
Do we need technology breakthroughs to reach the limits of supercomputing? No, except Moore's Law must continue as predicted. For simulation applications, we will show what computer hardware might look like and we use applications modeling to show that it can approach the limits.
We will present a series of general "next steps" that would help us evolve current Massively Parallel Processors (MPPs) into supercomputers operating at the physical limits. For example, new computing hardware will need to co-exist with microprocessors of familiar design. Some next steps will be to prototype the new hardware, its method of interfacing to microprocessors, and developing software methods for invoking the new hardware easily.
We will end with an overview of technologies that may follow Moore's Law.
Erik DeBenedictis is a member of the technical staff at Sandia National Laboratories, with assignments in computer architecture research and as deputy project leader for the ASCI Red Storm project. Erik received a B. S. from Caltech in Electrical Engineering, an M. S. from Carnegie-Mellon in Computer Engineering, and a Ph. D. from Caltech in Computer Science in 1983. Erik has also worked at Bell Laboratories, Ansoft Corporation, nCUBE Corporation, and started a company called NetAlive, Inc.--
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Quick-Tip Q & A
A:[[ Let's repeat a good one from 1998, issue #146 : [[ [[ What's your favorite shell alias? [[ [[ If you would, send the alias and a very brief explanation. # # Ed Kornkven # Under the heading, "Know Thyself": alias amke make alias mkae make # # Martin Luthi # alias psg='ps aux grep $1' usage: myhost> psg java This shows all current processes containing the argument (e.g. java). On non-GNU systems, the ps options might be different. # # Rich Griswold # I have a lot of them, but the one I probably use the most is this: alias cls='clear; ls -al --color=auto' It clears the screen to get rid of clutter and provides a nice, colorized directory listing. It also has the side effect the whenever I'm forced to work from the Windows command line, I'm always clearing the screen when I want a directory listing. # # Greg Newby # Depends on what shell I'm using. I like zsh, especially built-in recursion ("ls -l **/*h") and compatibility with loops in both sh ("for i in *; do") and csh syntax ("foreach i (*)"). In zsh, here's my prompt variable (not really an alias): echo $PROMPT %{%}%m(%n) %~ [%!] > %{%} which gives information about my directory, username, process ID #, and in the color of my choice (cyan): underdog(root) ~ [318] > My favorite alias overall has to be "l", which I have on all systems so I don't need to type that tiresome and oh-so-long "ls" command: alias l='/bin/ls -HFs' (the ls path, options and syntax are a little different on different systems). For complexity, nothing beats a friendly prompt in csh/tcsh (another problem nicely solved in zsh): hn=`hostname -s` wmi=`whoami` alias sp 'set prompt="${hn}(${wmi}) [\\!] `dirs sed -e '\''s .* '\'' -e '\''s .*[^/]\(/[^/]*/[^/]*\) ..\1 '\''` } "' alias cd 'cd \!*;sp' I include "hostname" so my prompt shows what system I'm using, and the "who am i" to handle different usernames, and remind me if I'm root. Colors are possible with tput, and would make the prompt even longer. # # The Editor # List total number of login sessions and everyone logged on, without duplication, eight per line: alias whoq='who -q tr -s " #" "\n\n" sed -e "s/users/#LOGINS/" \ sort -u paste -d" " - - - - - - - -' # # Kate Hedstrom # Most of my aliases just add options to the command: ls ls -sF xfig xfig -dontshowballoons -startg 2 -fg black -bg LightYellow xl xlock -mode strange xterm xterm -fg white -bg navy -cr white -rw -sb -sl 400 The same X11 functionality could also be set using resources for these last three. I think this one has been mentioned before: psg ps -elf grep !* grep -v grep Use as "psg matlab" to search for matlab processes, but not report the grep process itself. This is the SGI version. It originally came from a Sun user's guide with the SunOS options to ps (ps aux). Use what works. I make gif animations in a clean directory with: gifmovie gifsicle --loop --colors 256 -O2 -d 10 *.gif >! movie.igif Make sure that you write to a file that doesn't end in .gif, then rename it afterwards. It assumes that each frame is in a file, where the filenames are alphabetically in the right order for the animation. # # Dale Clark # aliasexpand='sendmail -bv -d27.3' echopath='echo $PATH tr ":" "\012"' groups='echo `/usr/bin/groups tr -s " " "\n" sort -u tr "\n" " "`' Q: MPI_Rsend ("ready" send) is supposed to give better performance than MPI_Send, but the documentation tells me it's an error to call it unless the matching receive has already been posted. How can I make sure the receive has already been posted? Is it really worth it?
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HEllos, all!
I have been reading numerous threads on this site since a few months ago.
I have been working on creating a set of armor-ish clothing, and am so far very UNsuccesful...
I think my first mistake was trying to use cardboard, but that's just me.
Any suggestions? For my buy'ce I'm using a clone trooper voice changer helmet. AS I have no idea how to modify it correctly so it fits mando standards, I need help.
I got a white binder that's made outta some kinda plastic mixed with something bendy, and am planning on cutting that up to make my chest plates.
I am trying to think of something else to use besides PVC (I basically took a strip of carboard, glued some bendy pipes on it, painted it all red, attached some elastic, and called it a thigh guard) and cardboard for leg armor.
Anyways, I need suggestions.
I have a limited budget (Like, next to nothing) as I am under 15 and basically can't AFFORD the 2000 dollar expense of getting an extremely detailed mando suit.
Going on vacation tomorrow, so I'll be checking in from library computers every 3 days or so.
Thank you for the time you took reading this message.
And thanks even more for your reply.


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I'm here a day early to express my extreme excitement that obscure LNP backbencher Ray Hopper has chosen to let down the people of his electorate by becoming an obscure Australia Party backbencher, thereby increasing Bob Katter's iron toehold in the state parliament by 30 per cent.
Yes, 30 per cent, on one quiet weekend, when there wasn't even an election on. I don't think I need to do the maths to explain why this means Campbell Newman's government is doomed.
(Please don't make me do the maths to explain why this means Campbell Newman's government is doomed.)
With Ray Hopper gone, and yelling back over his shoulder that more would follow him into the promising wastelands of irrelevance, how long can it be before the mantle of state opposition is transferred from the half-dozen or so dazed survivors of the ALP to Bob Katter's insurgent forces?
No, don't laugh, even though "insurgent forces" is a less accurate term for Katter's mob than their official parliamentary designation of Her Majesty's Comedy Relief. You're all forgetting one titanic factor in this equation. Clive Palmer.
Having spent good money to buy himself a government, the billionaire dinosaur enthusiast has also quit the party after finding he'd bought a dud and couldn't get a refund.
Would it stretch the imagination too much to ponder the chances of Clive tossing off his spare Brontosaurus bucks Katter's way, just to cause Newman some grief? Not in my already overstretched imagination, it wouldn't, no.
Surely there are enough loose cannons among the remaining – What? 77? 78? – members of Newman's government, that a just few more could break free of their moorings and start rumbling around the gun deck, popping off rounds.
The idea of a Katter-controlled party surpassing the ALP in numbers and so taking over official Opposition duties is just too appealing to dismiss out-of-hand. The possible capers and hijinks recall for me P.J. O'Rourke's famous line about the joys of getting drunk and driving like a fool.
Contemplating the "LOLs" to be had fanging down a suburban side-street at a hundred miles an hour, half a bottle of whiskey in the bag "with a gram of coke up your nose and a teenage lovely pulling off her tube top in the next seat over", the Republican Party reptile declared, "You'd have to watch the entire Mexican air force crash-land into a liquid petroleum gas storage facility to match this kind of thrill."
My friends, Clive Palmer could be the air marshall of our very own Mexican Air Force, with Bob Katter and his big hat playing the role of Dr Strangelove's crazy cowboy bomber-pilot, while Ray Hopper and a squadron of maverick jet-jockeys spear their planes into Newman's hopes and dreams.
I see giant fibreglass dinosaurs suddenly surrounding Parliament House, a replica Titanic tied up to the Riverside expressway, firing broadsides of loose cannons to cut off any escape by water. I see Katter doing to Newman what Newman did to Anna Bligh, leading the Opposition while not actually being the leader of the Opposition. I see bright days and hilarity ahead. So bright and so hilarious that if the Labor Party had any sense of decency or fun they'd defect to Katter too.


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'Fuhr also played with Toronto, Buffalo, Los Angeles, St Louis and Calgary during a 19-year career. He retired following the 1999 season. Lafontaine had eight seasons at the New York Islanders, six with the Buffalo Sabres and then a year with the New York Rangers before suffering a career-ending head injury.'
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I believe I have seen some pictures here of ESB gauntlets with only one hose and some with the three hoses. Which is correct or are they both correct? Can someone post a pic of their ESB right Gauntlet to show me the correct look.
The reason I am asking is that the resin peices that I have right now are in pretty bad shape when I got them. I would like to replace them with brass connectors to make it look better and save myself some heartache. Or do I even need to spend the money on them if they are not needed?


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Laws, Regulations & Annotations
Property Taxes Law Guide – Revision 2012
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Part 5. Vehicle License Fee
Chapter 2. Imposition of Fee
Article 1. Computation of Fee
Section 10754.1
10754.1. International Registration Program. For purposes of applying paragraph (1) of subdivision (b) of Section 10754, the vehicle license fees, due in 1998 on or before December 31 of that year for a vehicle subject to the International Registration Program as described in Section 8052 of the Vehicle Code, are deemed to have had a final due date in the 1999 calendar year. It is the intent of the Legislature that this section be implemented to apply the 25 percent offset specified in paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of Section 10754 to the vehicle license fees described in the preceding sentence. The department shall apply the amount of each vehicle license fee reduction resulting from this section against the amount of vehicle license fees due and payable on the part of the relevant registrant in 1999.
History.—Added by Stats. 1999, Ch. 76 (SB 688), in effect July 7, 1999.


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Hey guys,
Im a Texas boy that has moved out to Tallahassee, FL for law school not knowing any one remotely close to this area. I grew up in West Texas, so I did a lot of deer, dove, quail, hunting etc, but we didn't have water for duck hunting. I would really like to get into it, but don't really know where to start. None of my law school classmates that are from around here know anything about it, shocker I know. If anyone needs a hunting buddy, someone to split gas or any costs associated, or just willing to show me the ropes, I would greatly appreciate it. I didn't get out the first semester of school and have really missed being out hunting. Let me know!


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Riders in the Mind
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Is a Alternative audio dime novel, in poetic format, telling the story of Alex, the authors alter ego.
Thoughts and messages are sent to him from riders of the past, riders on the other side, who ride in his mind.
This is a manual biography of that ride, written by Y. A. wRider and recorded as a audiobook dime novel.
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Steps to effect
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Who is this wRider
he writes in lyrics
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nearly high noon
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riders in my mind,
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a town called Simplicity
designed as an analytic city
winds of atmospheric electricity
free from eccentricity
requires no publicity
no duplicity
free from toxicity
built on felicity
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a town of thought
Time is ongoing,
It does not pause
I am here to contend
It goes faster at the end
Alex is a rebel with a cause.
He is on a mission to submission.
He is on a ride...
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he is a messenger of "Omniverses"
a ride which goes fast
thoughts of those from the past
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unlike life, this ride last
all that matters
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As a self proclaimed mindwright
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making up his own rules
not taught in schools
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a linguist he's not
but a messenger,
self taught
written in poetics
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theories and thoughts
for the Haves
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left open for interpretation
a mental manifestation
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for self creation
a Rider is comin'
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wRitten long ago
high on a plateau
west of Barstow
just a John Doe
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a rider,
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In the mind
there are no laws.
riders in his mind
Several riders,
all at the same time.
approaching their prime,
alter egos avoiding crime
thoughts sublime.
Reality mixing with relativity,
reason with resolution.
Effects for a positive solution.
The wRiders face is a shadow of his imagination.
His imagination is a picture of what he attempts to convey.
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I tried one for two weeks. Finally got permission to cut the house open. There were five times as many bees inside as out in my box--after 2 weeks. And before you ask, "no, there were no other entrances into he house." I would like to think it works but the time it takes and the stress on bees outside is pretty high, I would think.


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Racers expected Friday night at Epping fundraiser
By JASON SCHREIBER
Union Leader Correspondent | November 14. 2013 11:04PM
Stickney was injured on Oct. 12 when his car struck a concrete retaining wall head-on between turn 3 and 4.
The 34-year-old who has raced throughout the Northeast for more than 20 years broke his neck in multiple places and after being hospitalized in Boston is now at home and must wear a neck brace.
"I had doctors tell me that I was unbelievably close to being paralyzed," said Stickney, who drives a roadrunner/outlaw mini stock race car.
Brown said her 24-year-old son, Bill Osborne, is also a racer and is close to Stickney.
Tonight's fundraiser will include a live band, food and raffles. Tickets will be available at the door.
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"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion; however, everyone is not entitled to their own facts."—Michael Specter, author of Denialism: How Irrational Thinking Hinders Scientific Progress, Harms the Planet, and Threatens Our Lives
"Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true. Facts schmacts." –Homer Simpson
Now, I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy (unless the next guy is Jesse Ventura). In fact, I recently watched a feature-length documentary that details all the crazy theories people have conjured up about secret meanings that Stanley Kubrick supposedly packed into his 1980 film The Shining. One of these notions is that Kubrick used the Stephen King adaptation to clandestinely confess that he helped NASA fake the moon landing in 1969. It would be generous to call the "evidence" these theorists use to make their case for this a stretch: a boy wears an Apollo 11 sweater; a key chain that reads "ROOM No. 237" contains the same letters that one could use to spell "moon room." Of course, none of the theorists consider the thought that if they wanted to know if the moon landing happened or not, an old horror movie is probably not the place to go digging for evidence. But this is just another example of the human tendency to choose one's beliefs first and selectively scavenge for support second. These folks are so convinced they are right, that they choose to ignore or deny any kind of actual, factual evidence that would contradict them.
This very conspiracy theory provides the title for the graphic nonfiction book How to Fake a Moon Landing: Exposing the Myths of Science Denial, in which author-illustrator Darryl Cunningham takes some of the most widespread—and often life-threatening—instances of science denial rampant in popular opinion today and presents the scientific evidence to refute them. Using comic book panels and concise, well-researched information, Cunningham tackles topics like homeopathy, climate change and fracking, debunking the myths surrounding these issues and presenting the science in an accessible manner for both teens and adults. It's a quick read and I definitely recommend it to everyone, particularly if you are more likely to believe what Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy have to say about the vaccine-autism controversy than actual scientists.
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DUBUQUE, Iowa – Feed efficiency is a major component in the profitability of any beef operation. Just one ercent improvement in feed efficiency during the growing and finishing phase has the same economic impact as a three percent increase in the rate of gain. Iowa State University Extension and Outreach beef program specialist Denise Schwab said the importance of good beef production efficiency is why it's the focus of the first day of the Driftless Region Beef Conference on Jan. 31.
"On an individual animal basis, feed efficiency has been difficult to measure at a production level, so cattlemen have not been able to utilize genetic selection to improve this trait," she said. "We know some animals require more feed to maintain their body before directing energy to growth, but about the only way to identify those inefficient animals has been through individual feed trials, which are complicated and impractical at the farm level."
Three of the conference speakers play major roles in the federally funded project on evaluating efficiency in the beef industry, and will share their research and expertise with attendees.
"Dan Shike from the University of Illinois will talk about feed efficiency, including industry impacts and alternative measures of efficiency; and Matt Spangler of University of Nebraska-Lincoln will present information on selecting for improved feed efficiency," Schwab said. "Iowa Beef Center director and Iowa State Extension beef specialist Dan Loy will provide an overview of the feed efficiency project and its related research."
Potential cost savings to the U.S. beef cattle industry with selection for feed intake, feed efficiency, growth and carcass traits could be more than $1 billion per year. More efficient cattle have the same daily gain but eat less feed, thus saving feedlot operators money and producing more food for a growing nation with the same or fewer inputs. Feed efficiency, feed conversion, residual feed intake, residual gain and value of output per dollar of input all play a major role in the profitability of beef cattle operations.
"Other key speakers for the conference include Allen Bridges from Minnesota speaking on heifer development strategies, and Derrell Peel from Oklahoma sharing his outlook for beef prices into 2013 and beyond," Schwab said. "Separate breakout sessions for feedlot or cow-calf producers will be held on Friday, Feb. 1."
The conference will be held at the Grand River Conference Center in Dubuque with the early bird registration fee of $80 due by Jan. 23. After that date it increases to $100. All registration materials and the full program agenda are available at http://www.aep.iastate.edu/beef/ or by contacting Schwab at 319-721-9624 or email@example.com.


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Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Baby Food Jar Cap= Letter Help
4 comments:
- pianofingers said...
You can start working on letter sounds too once the letter names are down. You could even do letter combinations, like "sh", "ch", "th", and "ing"
Other ideas:
-memory game (find upper and lowercase letter pairs)
- rhyming words (spell out a short word, like log, and then replace the l with other letters to make other words (like bog, dog, frog, etc.)
- say words and have her pick out the first and last sounds she hears (for example, the first sound of pencil is p and the last sound is l)
- Read a book with her and look for specific letters in the book, reminding her of what sound they make
These are all things that the kindergarteners that I work with practice a lot.
- April 4, 2012 at 6:13 PM
- Rose said...
Love this idea. We have lots of baby food jar lids right now and I keep thinking there should be something interesting to do with them.
- April 4, 2012 at 9:00 PM
- Praises from a Wife and Mommy! said...
Oooo I love the letter combinations!! We will for sure be doing that since we have been working on those sounds!
Rose, Have fun with your jar lids! :)
- April 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM
- Mama Jodi said...
What a great idea for learning letters. They idea can be used for so many other learning things too. :pve that. Jodi @ www.meanigfulmama.com
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sokowa wrote:So last night I dreamed I had a "flock" of Koalas I needed to move across the country-side. Let met tell you . .it was worse than herding cats.
Herding cats is easy. All you need to do is have a bit of tuna fish and tie it to a string. Cats will follow that anywhere. :-)
As for Koalas, they're usually kind of slow, gentle creatures that you could just as easily pick up and carry with you as herd.
Well, except when you give them Euca-Fizz. Then they're worse than Chihuahuas. :-)
narkus wrote:way cool! I love Toad, listen to 'em all the time : ) don't know anyone else who does
now you do
littlejetties wrote:My two year old son drew this after eating all the icing off of a chocolate frosted donut. Proving that donuts are an excellent source of creative energy.
I held the tablet and and asked him "what color?" Then he'd scribble for a second and fold his arms and say "Umm... Blue." (or whatever color). We did a few. We both liked this one best.
Thanks for looking. We hope you like it.
Ha! For a minute there I thought this was a drawing of accelerated particles that had been spun around in a certain donut-shaped particle accelerator. Thanks for the explanation. :-)
aerodino wrote:I'm not quite sure what you mean. The shirt color does show through the background and edges of the design, somewhat.
I am a rookie here and am just doing this as I learn Photo Shop Elements.
I think perhaps Gambit was suggesting that the color of the shirt should show through the design a bit more (check out my design for an example of this). Your design kind of has a "sheet of ink in a rectangle" feel to it, which might be turning some voters off.
Great color choices, though... very windy. :-)
TheNewOriginals wrote:Uh...I hate to break it to you but that "Greek guy" your referring to is probably Archimedes and what he actually said was "Give me a place to stand and with a lever I will move the whole world."
No, there was that other guy... I think his name was Doug. He would go on and on about his big crank. Then people stopped inviting him to fancy Greek parties. Archimedies was the guy with pruny fingers from sitting in the bath all the time.
Re: Wasted Energy
Thanks guys... I don't think the cat would like it.
Oh. It must just be me then. hehe. Way to go anyway!!! *;-)
toe2254 wrote:thanks! interesting observation.. i see the bear, but he doesn't look angry to me.
I love the concept, but I also just love the design with the use of color and the old worn look. I hope this gets more votes.
Re: Chasing Windmills
My personal favorite in the derby, unfortunately that means that it won't win.
Re: Energizing Bunnies
I couldn't resist it! It's cute! Cute always gets my vote. Great job! ^_^
Re: Fiery Robot Rage
I would have voted for this had the logo been larger, and had the green taken up more bars. Green at low level doesn't make sense, even though you're doing it for aesthetic reasons.
You're right it doesn't need to be front and center, but it just doesn't work for me as a polo.
Which is too bad, because the concept is really clever and I really like the idea.
DavidShenoda wrote:Adder is obviously upset over the fact that there are tons of "amateur" designs on Woot that outshine the kindergarten scratchings that he is trying to market to people on his blog and website. Your skill in creating something that is both beautiful and popular just makes him feel self-conscious about his blatant lack of talent and originality in t-shirt design.
Keep up the good work and don't let Adders bashing get to you. He hides behind his vocabulary, wordy grammar, and poor attempts at wit to confuse or dupe others into thinking he is good at something - Which appers to be being negative and writing crappy blogs and not making popular tshirts.
*giggles*... hilarious.
Re: Muse of Vitality
i sure do like how that fire looks...
krisrobinson wrote:*giggles*... hilarious.
Great entry, I'd definitely want one of these!
vvildcard wrote:I like the placement... it's over the heart, which isn't technically the energy center for your body but it certainly keeps us going.
Heheh... if you drink a lot of coffee then that will get your heart going. Caffeine can mimic the effects of epinephrine on the heart.
And... like... bend space and time... :-)
Re: Wind Energy
Beautiful use of colors. I would vote but the ying yang sign just isn't quite doing it for me. :/ Other than that, it's awesome.
asyrith wrote:Beautiful use of colors. I would vote but the ying yang sign just isn't quite doing it for me. :/ Other than that, it's awesome.
Sorry you don't like the yin-yang. It was meant to suggest the energy cycle of heating/cooling that winds up creating wind.
From Wikipedia:
"Wind is the flow of air or other gases that compose an atmosphere (including, but not limited to, the Earth's). It occurs as air is heated by the Sun and thus rises. Cool air then rushes to occupy the area from which the hot air has just moved. It could be loosely classed as a convection current."
I realize that the yin-yang's not everyone's style, but I'm glad you liked at least part of my design. :-)
Re: Fuel Cell
I like the design in conjunction with the theme, but I see it as unwearable because it sticks too closely to the theme, and personally I don't want to walk around with a giant steaming coffee cup on my shirt that represents nothing.
Re: Hybrid Eagle
Animals are people too, so in the midst of a climate crisis it only seems fit that they do their part to conserve energy and to stop destroying our planet. Greedy animals.
Re: Potential Energy
Yes, yes, yes! I want! GMV! Good colors, concept, and design. Very wearable and is abstract enough to be worn without being questioned.
Re: Windy City
Most definitely GMV. Great design and colors. I might punch someone if this doesn't get to the fog.
Very cool. GMV.
Re: Cofee Levels Critical
I really like the placement of the mug on this shirt, but it looks like it might be a bit too small :/
Re: FREE AS THE WIND ENERGY
Almost got my vote. Love the design, but not the border effect. The colors are nice, too.
septober wrote:Almost got my vote. Love the design, but not the border effect. The colors are nice, too.
I am trying to get away from the rectangular border effect. I'll work harder on that - thanks.
SideShowMel0329 wrote:Great entry, I'd definitely want one of these!
Thank you!!! I'm glad so many people are enjoying the design!
Re: The World on Renewable Energy
The Green it the middle is not actually different from the shirt color.
Re: The Carrot Crusader
The Carrot Crusader packs antioxidant goodness in every solar-powered punch.
Re: Keep on going
Let me know what you think, hope you all like it.
Re: Energy Goddess
Very appealing design! You GMV. Now if you had added a cup of coffee to her hand....
narkus wrote:hope you didn't think i was questioning the colors : ) i knew there weren't more than 6; your technique just made it look like that, really like it!
Oh no....not at all. I just thought folks might want to verify the 6 colors. But, you're right... The way in which the colors are used together makes it look like more than 6.
Thanks Narkus!
thats beautiful!
momtamc wrote:Very appealing design! You GMV. Now if you had added a cup of coffee to her hand....
l.o.l The coffee would have been a cute addition!
Re: Cyclops Like Sugar
Best big design ever! (gmv 2)
I really really love this design. It's so different from what you typically see on here (typical being pirates, aliens, and contorted/cartoonish fluffy animals).
I also really like the take on energy represented— the spiritual energy in everyone rather than physical (caffeine or "green" energy, etc).
Yeah, I seriously want this shirt...vote people vote!!!
ChrisRisse wrote:What the...? When did this unfog?
I don't know. There are a lot of designs I like, but, this is without a doubt my favorite of the derby - so unique. I wish it were back in the fog.
-ahaha- I love your veggies. Great job.
hattopic wrote:My personal favorite in the derby, unfortunately that means that it won't win.
hopefully it'll break that record.
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Re: The Ocean is broken? really?
I think the author is exaggerating...
We have sailed across the North Pacific several times since 1999. Most recently in the summer of 2012. Although even on our first crossing from Vancouver to Kona in 1999 there was debris in the water, there was more each time we crossed. Sailing from San Francisco to Hawaii two months after the tsunami we sighted a fair amount and in 2012 we sailed right through the garbage patch and documented the alarming amount of debris in video and photographs.
As for trawling: It is, of course, a horribly wasteful and destructive practice. Here in Alaska, most processors will not buy trawl-caught fish. The practice should certainly be banned world wide.
I don't think the sea is broken. She is a living thing, wounded, and will heal if allowed to.
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?
Between 2005 and 2010, corn farmers increased their use of nitrogen fertilizer by more than one billion pounds. More recent data isn't available from the Agriculture Department, but because of the huge increase in corn planting, even conservative projections by the AP suggest another billion-pound fertilizer increase on corn farms since then.
The secret, dirty cost of Obama's green power push (insert any Presidents Name in place - That is just the title of the article as it really has nothing to do with person or political party and don't want to bring that to the discussion)
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Re: The Ocean is broken? really?
It seems the drone thing is well underway... from today's NY Times.
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?
I know the state of Texas has been collecting a fee recently from drillers to clean up old wells. They are currently doing much cleanup of old wells and platforms in Galveston Bay east of the Kemah/Clear Lake area. Local boaters have helped to spearhead these efforts by documenting and locating abandoned sites. Texas has gotten some of the owners of these sites to do the cleanups and old sites where the owners have not been found due to going out of business the fees have paid for the cleanup. More work to be done for sure but it is happening and the state needs the co-operation and effort from locals to identify and report these sites.
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?
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How is my personal responsibility going to stop a giant trawler from destroying the bottom of the bay and the fish habitat? Realistically?
Almost everyone lies at some point in their lives, but no one wants to get caught in one.
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?
OK, you are right. I went astray a bit, so let's bring it back a notch.
But first what is the most powerful motivation for people? Emotion, right? If I am a politician, I will try and make you hate the other guy and his policies because anger is the best political motivator. Using Empathy via the anger emotion to invoke a reaction.
Then there is the other side. Using Sympathy. Put a commercial on TV to save the animals or kids with visuals and words designed to pull directly at our heart strings and use sympathy to invoke a reaction.
What does my diatribe have to do with the topic at hand? Simple. The best ways to change are to identify the problem and invoke an emotional reaction. I don't agree with the tactics of Sea Shepard's, but a handful of people identify big problems and invoke public reactions. I admire them for their compassion and dedication and shedding light on the problems. Companies are more likely to react positively to views of the masses then they are regulations. Those views can create regulations, but we have to be careful not to over regulate or more importantly, not lose the spirit of the law as we are defining and redefining the letter of the law.
Killing of Dolphin in making Tuna - Regulation, or emotion and Corporate Response?
If you look at the power a small group can have if they are using both empathy (a logical argument that we can relate to and affects us personally) and sympathy (an argument that makes us feel bad about doing the wrong thing and good about doing the right thing), you will see more examples of little people doing big things as individuals and small groups than actual government regulation sans me giving hundreds of examples that come immediately to mind.
So, my long-winded point is there is great power in the individual and community organizer. Some even say you could go from community organizer to President of the United States, but that would be crazy talk.
And YES, if the EPA is collecting fees that are designed to clean up messes that happened 50 years ago, they should use those funds to do so. OR my point was let Exon clean up 3 old platforms that were put there by XYZ Company that is out of business before allowing them to build 1 of their own instead of paying a fee to the general fund that still does nothing for cleaning up the thousands of abandoned platforms in the GoM.
The problem as I see it, my friend, is that we are good at creating laws and regulations with good intent. But we are terrible at keeping the Spirit of the Law alive as they continue to add to the Letter of the Law. And many times it hurts the good, while the bad still disregard or find loopholes around it.
You have great points and I truly appreciate your opinion. I don't disagree with you - It is very difficult to solve these problems at the root, so we have to pull the weeds one leaf at a time until the root dies on it's own or we pick at it long enough to get it all.
So, maybe me picking up a cigarette butt in front of the guy who threw it out won't change the world - but just maybe it will change his attitude and hopefully perpetuate from there...
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Re: The Ocean is broken? really?
How is my personal responsibility going to stop a giant trawler from destroying the bottom of the bay and the fish habitat? Realistically?
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?
Somalia is a bad example as it is a case of anarchy...
So, wouldn't you rather be out doing something as an individual and hope that other individuals watch and learn from you then lose every freedom you have because you will need to be regulated when there are only a couple corporations and large government running things when we can no longer trust the individual.
Now let's consider corporations. By law in the USA, corporations are legally bound to maximize shareholder value. If it is not illegal for a corporation to dump its effluent into the ocean, and if dumping effluent is less costly than treating it and disposing it in a non-toxic manner, then the corporation MUST dump it; that is the law. If we make the dumping illegal, than the corporation can do the right thing and treat the waste properly.
Your other point about our slide into the abyss of corporatocracy is a concern that is beyond this discussion, but I caution you that you may be arguing against yourself.
If the Government is going to collect a fee or tax that was created to provide a specific function, then they should use it for that. The problem with new regulations, taxes, etc. is they rarely stay true to the intent. All things start with good intentions, but almost always end up tainted.
One thing that anti-government ideologues (I consider myself among you) need to understand is that practically nobody wants regulations for the sake of regulating or taking power away from individuals. Regulations are only needed when people by their own free will, infringe on the rights or safety of other people.
I don't know anything in the Constitution of the United States that says oil belongs to all the people. That sounds like Karl Marx talking.
But with all this regulation and tax, it does not belong to the people, it belongs to the Government. If I don't pay my taxes, the Government will take my house and sell it to the highest bidder and keep the profits - not redistribute it to the people.
That was a government FULL of regulation and it was a sad, sad place.
Thanks for the conversation. Cheers!
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I dare you to sail your boat past Somalia, the world's most perfect non-governmental-regulation utopia.
Another good example of what happens in a regulation-free environment.
At the macro level of these governments say I am driving over the speed limit with a local in front of me and behind me. I get pulled over and am forced to pay a fine in cash right then and there. Define it however you like, but that is the selective way Regulations work, we are just better at hiding that in the US behind whatever..
Good point. That is why wealthy countries like the USA and Canada should be leading the way to caring for the planet.
I may be missing your point. Are you suggesting that the government should be in the business of cleaning up private companies messes and use fines to fund this activity? Wouldn't it be better if people and companies didn't mess things up to begin with?
If the Government is going to collect a fee or tax that was created to provide a specific function, then they should use it for that. The problem with new regulations, taxes, etc. is they rarely stay true to the intent. All things start with good intentions, but almost always end up tainted.
I don't know anything in the Constitution of the United States that says oil belongs to all the people. That sounds like Karl Marx talking. But with all this regulation and tax, it does not belong to the people, it belongs to the Government. If I don't pay my taxes, the Government will take my house and sell it to the highest bidder and keep the profits - not redistribute it to the people.
Right now, we are all profiting. I even have stock and 401K interest in oil and I am not a rich person by any stretch, but if I lost that "profit," I would sure feel it.
Just like the copper analogy, oil goes into a lot more than just running in our cars and every drop is refined into something and everything we do and use is bound to the black magic. The idea that one oil company is profiting off the sweat of the people is ludicrous. How many people are employed, how many other companies are dependent on it, and how many of us are small shareholders...
The best way to innovate new technology is by necessity. Running out creates necessity, not keeping it locked up in the ground.
Because that oil belongs to the people of the USA, including future people. Since the USA is a net exporter of petroleum, oil companies are using up a national resource in return for excessive short-term profits for their shareholders and executives. (There is plenty of profit in the domestic market.)
Why are humans so stupid to sit and listen to a leader getting rich talking the talk, but refuses to walk the walk with you.
The best part of being free is we are allowed to talk and debate and change our minds and express our opinions freely. One thing I will never forget is going across Check Point Charlie when I was in high school to visit East Berlin while the USSR still controlled it and we were allowed to go in the early 80's. That was a government FULL of regulation and it was a sad, sad place.
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105 acre pond in my backyard- 5y ago lg. mouth, sm. mouth, rainbows and perch. Now pickerel, catfish and a few bluegills- too much fertilizer, three new types of weeds from far way, not enough oxygen as water flow through pond has decreased. Change in ecosystem.
Trips down the coast- more deadheads and plastic crap in the water
Go to the beach- summer or winter - more junk
Go fishing- Strippers (rockfish) in open waters but little up in the bays where the water has warmed. Just blue fish
Yes - we are soiling our bed. Yes- if as individuals if we confront the litterers we sometimes take our taking out life in our hands.
Still the big polluters are commercial entities- sure continue to try to change folks attitudes but go after the big polluters financially. Follow the money.
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- 1 broiler/fryer chicken (3-1/2 to 4 pounds), cut up
- 2 to 2-1/4 quarts water
- 1/2 cup sliced celery
- 1/2 cup sliced carrots
- 2 fresh parsley sprigs
- 1 bay leaf
- 1 teaspoon salt
- 1/4 teaspoon pepper
- 3/4 cup all-purpose flour
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- 1/4 teaspoon salt
- Dash ground nutmeg
- 1/3 cup 2% milk
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- 1/8 teaspoon pepper
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Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Aug 26, 2013.
But still... I would have expected more Croatians/Europeans than Koreans...
I remember at LA Worlds in the SP, arena was half full and then WHOOSH. Packed to the roof not an empty seat in sight when Yuna's group started warming up, Korea is where the Yuna is.
I think her SP is lovely, the dress isn't my favorite color but she still looks beautiful. Her expression has just come light years. However, I do feel that Mao Asada has a stronger short program.
I've heard a rumor but didn't know it was decided.
Here's the way I look at it: this is Yuna's first toe in the competitive water this season. My own view is that this program is going to get a lot better by Sochi.
But what has she accomplished, here? She's shown that her SP is going to put her somewhere around the lead after the short segment, easy. My suspicion is that if she skates on all cylinders and clean, this will measurably lead the field at the end of the skating day, maybe by a few points.
Even if she made absolutely no additional progress (a highly unlikely scenario; given where she is in the evolution of the program, the GPF ladies are probably closer to their plateaus than Yuna is to hers) and skated this exact same, somewhat imperfectly executed performance, it would still put her at or around the lead, given the way that the season scores of the ladies field have played out.
This should worry the field greatly, because all Yuna needs, from a strictly competitive point of view, is to be in the hunt at the end of the first day. Her real scoring leverage and advantage comes in the Free Skate. Strategically, if I'm a skater other than Yuna that wants a real shot at gold, I would really try to get a hold of a lead in the SP as my best shot. If I haven't shaken Yuna off at that point, then I know that my chances are likely going to get worse, much worse, in the Long.
I wish she would take some time to set the mood at the beginning. It appeared like she was totally uninterested and couldn't wait to set off for the jumps.
Having said that, the triples were wonderful and the skating was beautiful.
I agree with all that you said. I still feel Mao's short is stronger because it's music perfectly tailored to her style, plus the 3axel (without the downgrade at GPF her score would've been 76-77!), but I think Yuna has a better long (even just based on the practice). She's still head and shoulders. There's just a new Mao to deal with now. And I love them both.
Well, Did you translated their commentary by yourself? What they said was "Miki's jumps looked clean." Then talking about character of Yuna's jumps - Flow, height, length, speed, etc. And then just one statement "Miki's jumps are not as great as Yuna's." They continuously praised mama Miki's return and careers. If you don't agree with my dictation, reply me.
Most of them from Korea.
Some of them from nearby European countries.
And about 40 to 50 Korean people lives in Croatia, +20,000 visited Croatia in 2011 and there is the Korean embassy since 2005.
Thanks for reminding me
My biggest fear is that not only will we get obnoxious music choices that may not stand the test of time (I could only imagine what "deep" Coldplay programs we could have gotten if they changed the rule in the early 2000s) but we'll have single skaters doing vocal version of standards that simply overpower their skating (like Chock/Bates Les Miz FD this year).
Koreans can travel, you know, and certainly do so for Yuna.
Yuna's LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-LuRoxUhQw
Thank you! I'd love to hear from people who were there. She looked slower and more methodical than usual, which wouldn't be surprising under the circumstances, but it might have looked different live. I don't think the dress is that flattering. The open back on the dress makes her own back look more curved. She's still got quite a bit of time before Sochi, and I think the program will look even better by then and she'll be in better condition.
Are you talking about the LP? I thought she looked really nervous before she took her starting position. And the look on her face after the 3f, in the crossovers, make me think she was just not on her game today.
Yep, she looked really nervous. She took longer than normal to take her pose in the beginning and she seemed cautious throughout. Not skating with the same fire and speed we're used to. That being said, I'm disappointed with those music cuts for the LP. It doesn't build enough, and the scales are excessive.
Thank you for the vids. Yuna's jumps are still gorgeous despite the falls. She's back from nursing an injury so some kind of cautious approach is expected. I would rather that she be cautious here than risk re-injuring. The fire should be reserved for Sochi.
I think her programs are boring. They're pretty in a GFB sort of way. Keeping the same jump layout as last year does not help. I miss the freshness of Kim's Bond SP from 2010. I think Mao's programs are also on the snooze fest side. The women competition at Sochi could be a big bore.
I love her LP, though. Wasn't delivered well today, but there's a lot of choreography and potential for sass in that program.
Do hope Kostner brings back Bolero, though.
The Bond program was AMAZING! It was fresh, original, and fun l with a dash of sauciness and attitude. No one I can recall has done anything similar to it. I feel like her packaging (program choreography+music+outfits) for this time's Olympics is sloppy compared to what she had 4 years ago.
Love the dress.
This performance makes me believe she was really injured.
I actually think Yuna's LP this year is an extension, or a more elaborate version of her Bond program.
YuNa looks like she is doing everything she can to get through that program. She looks like she doesn't have the stamina. She also looks like she is mustering everything in her to compete and that underneath she is miserable. I thing she is competing out of loyalty to her country and it is taking everything she has to do it. I admire her loyalty, but it looks to me like she is paying a high price.
*Sigh* Why do figure skating fans, among all sports fans, believe with such frightening conviction that they can read other people's minds?
Unless one is an Operating Thetan and Tom Cruise's next designated bride...
I read the post previous to this as that Yuna looked tired and muscling it out. Surely, one can usually tell if a skater is tired/low energy. This doesn't involve mind reading.
"YuNa looks like she is doing everything she can to get through that program. She looks like she doesn't have the stamina. She also looks like she is mustering everything in her to compete and that underneath she is miserable. I thing she is competing out of loyalty to her country and it is taking everything she has to do it. I admire her loyalty, but it looks to me like she is paying a high price."
This is not the first time that you have demonstrated eccentrically selective reading skills. It's actually somewhat unnerving in a self-described healthcare professional.
You don't think there's pressure from the Korean fed? Have you not been following this sport and information on Yuna over the last few seasons?
As to the rest, FU. If you only knew how poor your timing is with your idiotic comment.
-Of course the Korean Fed has expectations. Every national Fed does. How does this demonstrate that she is driven by loyalty and miserable because of it?
-I dislike losing my temper. That you boldly declared black to be white made me do so. If there are circumstances which made my admittedly sarcastic response hurtful, I can only say that it was meant to convey a sharp, snarky point, nothing more.
-Perhaps you ought to stop commenting on my posts for a while? I will reciprocate.
Personally, I doubt her federation has much to hang over Kim's head. She's a multi millionaire. And its not like they have other female figure skaters to promote over her.
I think if there's people pressuring her its familial and sponsors.
Now I think Kim herself feels some responsibility to help promote Korean figure skating, given how many skaters she supports. Something I give her credit for.
In terms of whether she's happy or not, I kind of agree that we don't know her mind. I've noticed she didn't seem as excited about her worlds win as previous..But she may be use to it.
This skate in general makes me think maybe she really is in recovery from an injury.
As for her unhappiness about her skate. Of course Kim would be unhappy with that free.
YuNa has very respectfully spoken of The fact that she chose to compete to help her country -and has said that is more of her goal than winning gold personally. I wasn't reading minds on that note. I like and respect YuNa a lot -but she doesn't look like there is much personal joy. She strikes me as very loyal and respectful and like she is carrying a heavy load for her country. I just think that is very hard to do. And she looks burdened and like its taking a toll - could be wrong.
I picked up on the lack of joy last Worlds. It's likely hard to get the same excitement and drive after you've conquered every height in this sport and won every medal. I am such an amazing mind reader, go me.
And I've been reading here about some of the motivations behind Yuna's comeback, as you mentioned kathy sullivan, for her country. It's really not the same as skating for yourself, because you love it so much. That said, if Yuna recovers enough to put down 2 clean performances, the 2nd OGM is very likely hers. And I love her LP dress.
You are certainly right that Yuna has spoken about her commitment to help foster the further development of Korean skating. My point is that, even just on the basis of personal introspection, it should be clear to all of us that people can have a multiplicity of motivations and incentives, usually at the same time. I know it's certainly true of me. I work to monetarily benefit myself, but also because I want to take care of those close to me, and also because I seek to enjoy and find fulfillment in what I do. That fulfillment might, I hope, encompass community and societal goals that I believe in as well.
It's certainly possible that Yuna was fatigued at Golden Spin. But there are many possible explanations for this. The one that she herself has offered, both prior to, during, and after the competition, is the fact that she is not yet at peak physical condition, including both her injured foot and her stamina, and therefore was somewhat concerned and cautious. Given these statements, Occam's Razor would lead me to believe that this is the main cause of her current fatigue. At the very least, however, the evidence that the fatigue is primarily a result of mental stress due to an unwilling compliance to duty is not compellingly obvious, in my view.
I don't have an issue in saying that "loyalty" is a motive for Yuna. I agree that there is good evidence that it is. It is also a motive for other skaters, including Ashley "Three Spots" Wagner. But I strongly disagree that there is anywhere near sufficent reason to believe that she is somehow different from the vast majority of the human race, at least in the developed world, in holding this as her sole, or even primary, motivation. It makes her sound like some obedient beast of burden with no strong will or goals of her own making. There is almost something orientalist about this which I object to. I have been an expat in several Asian and European countries for extended periods, and my personal experience tells me that modern Asian women will not act in such a docile or compliant manner if they can help it, especially, as bek has pointed out, if they have the independent means, fame, prestige, and other levers of power that Yuna possesses.
I appreciate the reasonable tone of your explanation, so I hope I am also equally clear in my views.


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