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Thread: Thursday Night Observations
12-01-2006, 02:59 PM #1Pro Bowl Poster
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Thursday Night Observations
1) Not a very entertaining game -- we were only down 6-0 at the half but it somehow seemed worse than that. As others have pointed out in other threads, McNair was not sharp.
2) This was the first NFL Network game I've seen, and I'm surprised at how much I didn't like Bryant Gumbel. I've liked him in the past but didn't like him much as a play-by-play guy. Collingsworth was his usual arrogant self. Not that great a team, IMHO.
3) I don't really like the Ravens on Thursday night. Sunday will seem empty without a Ravens game.
4) I'm all for players getting along after the game, but did you see Ray and Chad after time expired? I thought they were on the verge of getting a hotel room. Sheesh!
5) Sam Adams looks even bigger than when he played for us -- that guy is huge. He looks like could swallow a sofa.
6) If we play the Bengals again this year, I hope our secondary plays more aggresively. They were too soft last night, giving too big a cushion to the receivers.
Re: Thursday Night Observations
Gumble's voice is to girly. Hard to get exicited for your team when a woman is calling the games. They need a real man to do the job. Collinsworth in my opinion wasn't bad. He gave good commentary on both teams and it seemed that Gumble tried to put him in an odd place by constantly mentioning that he had played for Cincy years ago.
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Re: Thursday Night Observations
secondary had exactly 0% to do with this loss.
QB had close to 100%
12-01-2006, 03:43 PM #5On The Practice Squad
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Re: Thursday Night Observations
i agree the QB had way less to do with this loss then the secondary or the lack of pressure on Carson imo... id say secondary 40, lack of pressure 40 and QB 20
Re: Thursday Night Observations
The Bengals scored thirteen freaking points! The offense got zero aside from a lucky non-OPI call. How you can put the blame on the defense for 80% of the game is absolutely astounding.
It wasn't all McNair, but he played a big part in the loss. He had about 4-5 dropped picks from Jonathan Joseph alone.
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Re: Thursday Night Observations
did you see the part of the game where Cincy completed that 7-10 yard pass underneath our secondary playing soft, it only happen about 20 times.
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Gee, I somehow think that if #7 had been the QB, it all would have been blamed on him, so I don't want to hear it wasn't the QB. He was terrible last night. We hold the Bengals to 13 points in Cincinnati & it's not the QB fault we don't score except for a meaningless TD w/ a minute left?
My 12 year old daughter said last night "What is Ray Lewis doing hugging that guy? He's from the other team. He's acting like he's in love with him." This from a 12 year old!!! The leader of our team shouldn't be getting friendly w/ a team or player, especially one who said he was going to punch him in the mouth.
They showed Sam Adams weight as 350, it might be closer to 425-430. I have heard stories that he is a big flubber now & he looks like it. The guy looks like he ate a whole living room set.
This Thursday night game did suck, & not because we lost, but you're right, we have nothing to do on Sunday now. It's like a 2nd bye week during the season.
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Re: Thursday Night Observations
Blame the secondary when the Bengals were held to 13 points? Can't agree. I have no problems with the Defense's overall performance. Give credit to Marvin Lewis for the flea flicker when our secondary played the run.
I'd just as soon forgettabout this disaster, but, since we're ascribing blame: about 80% McNair for the worst Ravens QB performance since the Radio, 5% to the long-snapper or holder, 5% on the muff and 10% to Billick for the playcalling , e.g. pounding the middle with 3 minutes to go and down by 13 points?
:T2:In a 2003 BBC poll that asked Brits to name the "Greatest American Ever", Mr. T came in fourth, behind ML King (3rd), Abe Lincoln (2nd) and Homer Simpson (1st).
Re: Thursday Night Observations
I'm going to blame the defense a whole 0%.
The offense gets equal blame all the way around.
QB- McNair was off.
RB- Jamal had a couple of nice runs but to often got stuffed.
WRs- Couldn't get open.
Coaching- I don't agree with the game plan.
OL- Actually they played alright. I'm just so used to blaming them after a loss..."A moron, a rapist, and a Pittsburgh Steeler walk into a bar. He sits down and says, Hi Im Ben may I have a drink please?
Re: Thursday Night Observations
The team as a whole was not prepared to play. Five minutes after the game started, I had a bad negative feeling about it. We hardly had the ball at all in the first half. The defense did limit the bengals to 13 overall points. However, they were on the field way too long. There should have been more 3 and outs. We also had too many penalties. That right there is a lack of discipline.
Secondly, I did not like the game plan. Why we never throw deep is beyond me. We should have tested their secondary since it was obvious that Jamal was getting stuffed at the line most of the time. He did have a few long runs, but not enough to break their defense.
I also felt the officials favored Cincinnatti. I saw several holding situations which were not called on the bengals, particularly on our defense.
Simply put, Brian gambled on Thursday by not making this a do or die game. He went easy on the guys hoping for the best, but willing to accept the worst.
Re: Thursday Night Observations
The team, defense included, looked sluggish and at time uninterested. It had a feel like we didn't concider it a must win. More like a game we would like to win, but will still be okay if we don't. I'm sure it had a lot to do with the short week, but its still not something I like to see from what I believe to be a Championship caliber team.
The Bengal secondary sat all over the short stuff all night. They were daring us to go over their heads, and we never even tried. That was very bothersome, especially late in the game. Send Demetrius outta the slot on a deep corner route against a safety. At some point it must be worth a try.
Having AD aligned with the 3rd reciever really hurt our blitz packages. They keyed on Bart Scott with man protection. We did only allow 4 3rd down conversions, although it felt like much more.
Two guys seemed to play with passion late in the game. Ray and Jamal Lewis. They run blitzed a lot on 2nd down, throttling Jamal behind the line and killing our play calling. Would have been nice to have him in more of a rhythm. He wanted to carry the offense, and more inventive playcalling may have allowed him to do that. When given a hole, he ran with a fury.
We are now in must win situations if we want that bye that we were earning until Thursday. I still expect the best.

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BLACKSBURG, Va. - The University of a North Carolina track and field teams finished competition at the Hokie Invitational on Saturday, notching two more wins and six top-three finishes for the meet.
"Overall the weekend was really good," said Coach Harlis Meaders after the conclusion of the meet, "We've had two very solid meets to open our indoor season and we're excited about putting together a 'better blue' for Carolina track and field. We're taking the steps to really be a better team and I'm proud of our student-athletes."
Elizabeth Whelan and Macon Gambill continued the Tar Heels' distance excellence with wins in the women's and men's 800, respectively. Whelan raced in 2:11.44 and Gambill in 1:54.64, both collegiate bests and top-10 ACC performances for the season. Richard Miller added to the men's 800 finish as he placed fourth clocking in at 1:55.78. Tory Kemp raced in the 600 with a time of 1:43.07 to place third.
"Our distance runners continued to have a very good weekend with their finishes from Friday and Saturday," said Coach Meaders, "They were a highlight for us all weekend."
Ariel Roberts earned the second-best conference mark of the year in the women's high jump as of this week as she cleared 5-10 ¾ (1.80 meters). Roberts placed second in the event and is now tied for 12th nationally.
"Ariel was a highlight for us in the women's high jump," added Coach Meaders, "This was a collegiate best for her and she really represented us well."
Briana Hudson earned a personal best in the women's long jump, reaching 18-8 ½ (5.70 meters) to place seventh in a deep field.
AJ Hicks continued his hold on the fourth-best ACC mark in the men's shot put with his second-place throw of 54-2 (16.51 meters). Chris DiLorenzo placed third in the shot put with a throw of 53-9 ¾ (16.40 meters)
Sarah Howard added to her early successes in the women's shot put as she placed second with a throw of 50-6 ¾ (15.41 meters), a mark that moves her up to third in the conference.
Coming off a personal best in the pole vault, Cameron Overstreet placed fourth in the same event though this time at a height of 13-0 ¾. She is tied for 12th nationally in the event with her personal best earned last week at the Dick Taylor Invitational.
"Cameron was over 13 feet again and she is doing a phenomenal job," said Coach Meaders, " Sarah also had a PR in the women's shot put. Those three young ladies, Ariel, Cameron and Sarah, really represented the field events very well for us. I'm proud of them.
"We'll continue the process next week at home," added Coach Meaders, "We'll get a really good look at some of our national competition with the small group we will send to New Balance in New York."
The Tar Heels return to action next weekend as the team splits across three meets. Carolina will host the Gene Anderson Invitational as Tar Heels also venture to the New Balance Collegiate Invitational in New York City and the JDL Invitational Mile in Winston-Salem, N.C.
Fans are invited to attend the Gene Anderson Invitational, which will be held at the Eddie Smith Field House on Saturday, February 2nd beginning at 9:30 a.m. For more information on the next home meet, stay tuned to GoHeels.com


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Many of us have had questions this spring about whether there will be new policies at Nationals Park regarding outside food, cameras, or other restrictions. To date, nothing has appeared on the team's web site.
Miss Chatter to the rescue! She has dug up the policies, and here they are:
All food items must be contained in single serving bags within a soft-sided container or cooler that does not exceed 16″ x 16″ x 8″. Metal, plastic or glass containers of any kind (except for factory-sealed, clear plastic water bottles, no larger than 1 liter, baby food, empty water bottles and juice boxes) are prohibited at Nationals Park. Only one bottle of water per person will be permitted.
Regarding food, "single serving bag" sounds quite broad and lenient. You think this mean we can bring in a wrapped hoagie as long as it's not 16″ long?
Even for those of us eager to sample the new food vendors this year, it's awfully nice to know that you can bring in a big bottle of water.
UPDATE: The written policies have not changed, but in practice, the enforcement has been quite friendly.
For example, multiple sealed water bottles are permitted, as long as the total doesn't exceed 1 liter per person for all the people in your party, and even that is relaxed on hot summer days. In other words, if you have a family of four, and have a backpack with 8 half-liter bottles of water, they aren't going to turn you away.
Outside food is similarly lenient. Yes, you can bring in a 12″ sub if you like, or a bag of burgers from Five Guys. As long as you're not bringing in a big igloo cooler full of food, you're probably fine.
Flickr photo by Scott Ableman
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Wow, haven't been here in awhile! It's good to be back.
Anyways, I've been consumed with Major League Gaming lately, specifically playing Halo 3. I've been watching the Pro Circuit tournaments and am going to the Dallas event in August. I'm wondering if anyone here is aware / into this.


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Green Bay Earns Thrilling Five-Set Road Win at Auburn
By: Ryan Hartwig (@RyanHartwig)
AUBURN, Ala. (GreenBayPhoenix.com) – The Green Bay volleyball team (3-2) knocked off host Auburn (4-1) Thursday night in a thrilling five-set road match at the Student Activities Center on the Auburn campus. It marked the third straight win for the Phoenix, which improved to 2-0 in the Auburn Active Ankle Challenge, and the first loss of the season for the Tigers of the Southeastern Conference.
The 27-29, 26-24, 17-25, 25-22, 15-12 victory was the first for the Phoenix against the Tigers (1-2 all-time), and it avenged the loss in last season's Green Bay/Country Inn & Suites Tournament. Auburn started the year 4-0 and was coming off a recent win against No. 10 Nebraska on Aug. 31 – the program's first over a top-10 opponent.
"What a great win for our team and for our program," Green Bay head coach Michaela Franklin said. "It's tough to go on the road and play a great team like Auburn on their home court and get a win, but we showed a lot of heart tonight and I love that about our team. It was everyone, not just the people on the court, who helped us get that win. We talk a lot about creating a home away from home with our team, and we really showed that tonight."
Freshman Shannon Hurley (Connellsville, Penn.) led the Phoenix with a career-high 23 kills, hitting .311 for the match. Senior Leah Van Zeeland (Kaukauna, Wis.) recorded her third straight double-double, accumulating 16 kills and 11 digs, while sophomore Mikaela Gunderson (Casco, Wis.) continued her strong start to the season with a 12-kill effort.
Sophomore Emily Riese (Fond du Lac, Wis.) orchestrated the Phoenix offense with a season-best 61 assists, sophomore Jillian Bauer (Verona, Wis.) posted a match-high 27 digs and senior Katie Mroczenski (New Berlin, Wis.) added nine blocks in the win.
After a lopsided third set (25-17) that put Auburn ahead 2-1, Green Bay rallied to earn a 25-22 victory in the fourth and send the match into the deciding fifth set.
Auburn started fast in set four, going up 3-0 out of the gate, but the Phoenix quickly responded and was able to build a 17-12 lead thanks in part to a trio of kills by sophomore Taylor Kasal (Westmont, Ill.). The Tigers climbed all the way back to knot the score at 20-20 after one of Kathia Rud's 16 kills, but the hosts were never able to regain the lead as Green Bay used three Hurley kills down the stretch to score five of the final seven points and tie the contest at 2-2.
The Phoenix never trailed in the fifth and final set, opening a 3-0 lead on a kill by Hurley and extending its advantage to five (7-2) on a Van Zeeland kill. A 9-2 Auburn run capped off by a Kia Bright kill tied the score at 11-11, but back-to-back kills by Hurley put the Phoenix up two and forced a Tigers' timeout. An Auburn error out of the break gave the Phoenix a match point chance at 14-11, and Hurley eventually ended it at 15-12 with her 23rd kill of the night.
Hurley now has double-digit kill totals in three of her first five college contests and is averaging 3.47 kills per set.
"Shannon rebounded really well after a tough match this afternoon against Troy," Franklin said. "She had a really good night not only hitting the ball, but was also a strong presence on the block. We really needed her tonight and I was happy with the way she turned things around."
Green Bay had four chances to close out the extended opening set, but a combination of Phoenix errors and Auburn kills ultimately vaulted the Tigers to the 29-27 win. Back-to-back kills by Van Zeeland gave Green Bay a 24-22 lead, but a service error followed by a Stephanie Campbell kill evened the score at 24 apiece.
Kills by Van Zeeland and Gunderson gave the Phoenix leads of 25-24 and 26-25, but a Green Bay attack error and a kill by Rud put the Tigers on top 27-26. Hurley knotted the score once again at 27-27, but back-to-back Auburn points capped off by another Rud kill gave the home team the win. No team led by more than three in the opening set.
Set two was more of the same, as 25 points were not enough to settle it and neither team was able to gain more than a two-point advantage. Auburn had its largest lead at 20-18, but a pair of kills by Van Zeeland sparked a 4-0 Phoenix run that put the visitors up by two. A kill by Gunderson made it 23-21 and her solo block moments later put the Phoenix up 24-23. A Hurley kill gave Green Bay a 25-24 edge, and a double-block by Van Zeeland and Mroczenski secured the 26-24 win and evened the match at one game apiece.
In a change of pace from the first two sets, the third was more of a one-sided affair. The Tigers bolted out to a 12-5 lead and would not allow the Phoenix to get any closer than five the rest of the way. Green Bay started to close the gap, as a Hurley kill got it to 18-13, but back-to-back kills by Rud helped the Tigers regain control and cruise to the 25-17 win.
Green Bay out-hit Auburn .241 to .209 in the match and finished with a 13-4 advantage in blocks. The Phoenix hit an impressive .400 in the fifth, tallying 10 kills on 20 attempts.
Green Bay, which defeated Troy earlier in the day, will play its third and final match at the Auburn Active Ankle Challenge on Friday against Mercer at 5 p.m.
###For the latest and most up-to-date information on Green Bay Athletics and Green Bay Volleyball, please visit GreenBayPhoenix.com.


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Emma & Michael
September 15
Asheville, North Carolina
Q & A with the Bride:
1. What was the one thing about your venue that made you know it was the one?
Michael and I met at Western Carolina University and lived in Asheville for a few years before moving to Greenville, S.C. Having our wedding outdoors in the mountains was extremely important to us. Hidden River offered the ceremony and reception site all in one property on a semi-functioning farm surrounded by mountains. The natural beauty of Hidden River stole our hearts from the first visit; it was the only venue we visited.
2. Which three details from your wedding were your favorites?
1. I loved and slaved over making all of the fabric bouquets. I am an interior designer; I used old fabric memos for the flower rosettes. Making those was a labor of love knowing all of my bridesmaids can keep their bouquet as a memento after the wedding.
2. I loved the antique books placed on the tables as small centerpieces. Michael and I got engaged in the library at Western (it is a long story that drove this underlying theme to our invitations, save-the-dates and use of antique books as centerpieces). He chose the library to propose because four years earlier I had spotted him in the library a week before we official met and started dating.
3. The corn hole boards were a surprise collaborative gift from one of my bridesmaids and one of Michael's groomsmen. Chris my bridesmaid built them, Jimmy and his wife Kristen painted them one gold and purple for Western Carolina and purple and orange for Clemson University (Michael is a huge fan of Clemson football). This was a very sweet and personal gift that added additional entertainment to guests at the reception.
3. Give us the one moment in your wedding day you can't stop thinking about.
The moment I crossed the bridge to the ceremony site I felt like I was floating and needed to be caught by Michael when I reached the altar. It was such an overwhelming moment that I struggled to compose myself. It was a wonderful feeling to be so in the moment with love and happiness.


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Summit Outside: A deeper look at the rainbow trout
October 7, 2012
The other day I was standing on the rowing club dock talking to someone and all of a sudden several people started to yell: "Joanne look down!" At my feet was a beautiful rainbow trout about 10 inches long. As I was urged to throw it back, I did so, but I am sorry I did not get a picture.
What possessed it to jump out on the dock? I certainly don't look like a fly. Was some other fish chasing it or maybe it was the muskrat that hangs out by the dock. Certainly it was not planning to commit suicide. Maybe it was to prove that there are fish in the reservoir. One of our members has come back from numerous fishing attempts empty handed. I must say we do see a lot of fish jumping in Dillon Reservoir and see them swimming around the docks.
Recently there were at least a dozen rainbow trout around the bridge going over Maggie Pond in Breckenridge. I saw some very large ones. They can grow to 20-30 inches and weight up to 8 pounds. The fish I saw were at least 15 inches.
Rainbow trout, also called redband, are torpedo-shaped and generally blue-green or yellow-green in color with a pink streak along their sides, white underbelly and small black spots on their back and fins.
They are members of the salmon family and, like their salmon cousins, can grow quite large. They average about 20-30 inches long and around 8 pounds, but can grow as long as 4 feet. The world record for rainbow trout was caught in Saskatchewan's Lake Diefenbaker on Sept. 5, 2009. The fish weighed a whopping 48 lb.
I am quite familiar with rainbow trout as I did some research on steelhead, the ocean-going species of rainbow trout when I worked at a Marine Lab in New Jersey.
They do like to jump! When it was feeding time, they often went into a frenzy and we would always have a few jump out of the tanks.
In the late 1980s, a famous epidemiologist Karl Johnson was planning to retire and his dream was to fly fish for trout in Montana. He had served mankind well, chasing after deadly diseases like ebola. Shortly after he arrived, he found a lot of dead trout and by 1993 rainbows had almost vanished from his favorite river, the Madison River, once one of America's premier rainbow fisheries.
As you may have already guessed, Johnson had yet another plague to conquer and this he did this on a voluntary basis.
Whirling disease, which attacks the cartilage around a fish's brain and spinal column, was a parasite which was killing the fish. Victims sometimes chase their own tails, whirling in circles, hence the name. It is extremely difficult to eradicate because it has two hosts: fish and a tiny tubifex worm.
Rainbow trout are not native to Colorado. The Colorado River rainbow trout is a wild strain that is a result of federal, state and private stocking in the early 1900s in Colorado. This strain did very well in rivers in Colorado until the spread of whirling disease. The Colorado River rainbow trout strain is highly susceptible to the parasite. The parasite "M. cerebralis" was first recorded in North America in 1956 in Pennsylvania, having been introduced via infected trout imported from Europe, and has spread steadily south and westwards.
In the 1990s it became established in natural waters of the Rocky Mountain states where it caused heavy mortalities. Some streams in the western United States have lost 90 percent of their trout. In addition, whirling disease threatens recreational fishing, which is important for the tourism industry, a key component of the economies of some western states. For reasons that are not completely understood, but probably has to do with environmental conditions, the impact on infected fish has been greatest in Colorado and Montana.
Fishery biologists are breeding the resistance of a species of rainbow trout, the Hofer rainbow trout into the Colorado River rainbow trout strain and introducing this strain into the waterways. The breeding program is designed to retain the maximum wild genes possible in the new brood stock, while conferring resistance to whirling disease. This will help maintain wild behavior in the fish, and result in more successful natural spawning and survival. So the rainbow trout seem to be again increasing in numbers and we see fish jumping all the time on Dillon Reservoir!
Rainbow trout are predators with a varied diet, and will eat nearly anything. Young rainbows survive on insects, fish eggs and smaller fish (up to one-third of their length), along with crayfish and other crustaceans.
The freshwater rainbow trout does not have to migrate back to its birthplace to lay its eggs. A female rainbow trout digs a nest in the gravel at the bottom of the body of water. She then lays thousands of eggs and as she is doing this, one or more male rainbow trout fertilize the eggs with his "milt."
Fly fishing for rainbow trout is a very popular local activity. Spinners, spoons and small crank baits can also be used, either casting or trolling. Rainbow trout can also be caught on live bait; night crawlers, trout worms and minnows. Many fishermen consider the rainbow trout the hardest fighting trout species, as this fish is known for leaping when hooked and putting a powerful fight. I've certainly witnessed some acrobatics!
The rainbow trout has contributed to medicine. The sperm of rainbow trout was found to contain protamine, which counters the anticoagulant heparin. This protamine was originally isolated from fish sperm, but is now produced synthetically.
Joanne Stole is retired from teaching microbiology at Rutgers University.


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Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by martyross, Mar 31, 2012.
Next stop: Free Dance competition @ World Team Trophy, April 20th.
Great........perfect title....we're all amorous over Tessa and Scott . So neat to have another competition to check out.........I don't know if it will be televised here in Canada but here's hopin'. It would be great to have it on "Bold", or even cbc.ca.
Yes and they can't blame us for that
Afaik raisport will show wtt so at least there will be YT videos soon.
Just noticed the new title Good choice! Glad you went with that one.
LOL at that article. Too funny. Good for them.
Nice picture too! I'm thinking we'll definitely see that tomorrow.
another article about the change in perspective
Very very trivial question but I'm very curious, why are world medals so small? Does it contain or are made up of high quantity of real gold, silver, bronze? Some special Druid amulet or voodoo incantation? I mean it's the sports biggest event next to the Olympics and my best in science medal in grade school is bigger (even though of course it's insignificant to what the medalist have achieved. ) I mean TS now have 5 worlds medals and combined, it all probably would look still puny next to the Olympic medal. Like I said very trivial, but perplexing and rather amusing to me...
TFTNT by the way, and nice title. I hope nobody misunderstand it as something shippy.
ETA: Searching for pics. It seems the photographers from photo agencies got rather stingy with FD pictures they want to share in the web. Can't wait until the gallery.ru photographers upload their pics. They are much better anyway. I hope pani will be back by that time to give is some links. (Please?)
THAT'S the attitude to have! I really hope VM can remember that philosophy whenever the going is rough.
Great thread name!
I think I'm more happy about Scott and Tessa's plans to compete in Sochi than I am of their win this week. Don't want to jinx it but it seems the pain is finally a non-issue for Tessa.
Most excellent thread title! I too am so excited that we've got confirmation of them going through to Sochi, that I'm not even going into my regular post-season slump (Now if Scott would just stop referring to the "twilight of their career"... way to kill my happy buzz!
Spoiler for the upcoming gala: Tessa and Scott's new exhibition is on "Ain't No Mountain High Enough". Almost all new choreo, except for a few steps from the SD. It's still a bit rough, but it's going to be great once they've practiced it enough. I think the program really showcases their wonderful dancing qualities. Can't wait to watch it in the show later.
Watching the gala practice was much more fun than I'd thought. Nice to see the skaters relaxed and interact with each other. Scott and Trankov were hyper as usual, always joking around, just unable to stand still in a straight line, as the announcer kept telling them. There were some really funny moments during the rehearsal for the finale.
Thanks for the updates IoanaC! Funny because I was singing that song after their 4cc win. With it being in Colorado and all. Was it the Marvin Gaye version? That's dancier I think. No spoilers for the costume? Am I asking too much? Have a great time Ioanna!
Lucky you. I always love gala rehearsals. It's nice to see the top skaters relaxed and having fun.
Anyone know where the exhibition is streaming today??? Radio canada?
in this thread they say they're showing it on 2 canadian channels BOLD and CBC Sports
found the link:
for Europeans, the swedish channel should work:
Both geo-blocked in the states... hopefully it will make its way on youtube ASAP!
Try here.
ahahah that made me grin...all their programs rolled in one :-D
It was a fun gala performance for them...it must have been just put together for this event.
what a glittering outfit for Tessa in the gala...love it.
I loved it... most importantly, they look like they were having so much fun , in a "eh, this program is new, we're really having to think it through, but hell lets just have fun together and laugh" kind of way.
I wish Tessa and Scott had skated to Dirty Dancing at the gala, it would have been such a hot dance.
Not sure the music for V/M's new ex number is my cup of tea but their dance was pretty entertaining to watch. Nice and cute.
Yes. It was new and rough and didn't really like the dress but what stood out the most was they seemed happy and just wanted to enjoy themselves.
I agree, it was rough, and the dress was not my fave either but I can see it progressing if Scott can stop goofing off in practice and the best part was they looked like they had so much fun together being the champs again.
That article, first off I agree I hate hearing 'the twilight of our career' it's makes it sound like they're ancient. I hope they can keep the philosophy/attitude that they have up to Sochi, it's a good one and I like the comment some one posted on the bottom '"The secret to failure is trying to please everybody'
Lastly, I hate 'the hunted/hunter' BS it reminds me of Elvis and he was on t.v. just yesterday, semi-bashing Chan and rambling on about 'the hunter & the hunted" Why the Canadian media has latched onto that term I will never no, but quit it.
"Ain't No Mountain" is one of my favorite songs ever. The program is still rough, and you can tell they're having to pay more attention to remembering the steps instead of performing, but I already sort of love this. I think it'll be fantastic once they've had a chance to get comfortable with it.
I have mixed feelings on the dress. It's very appropriate for the time period that the song is from, but I'm still not sure how I feel about it. I don't hate it, but I don't love it either.
Here it is for people who haven't seen it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TISCvyUTIk8&feature=channel
Seriously, I've always wondered the same thing. It looks like it the size of a penny
That was cute! Too bad the ISU never did the disco OD/SD.
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Since when was Marina saying that?
She said that in an interview. I don't have a link, but I remember reading it last week or earlier this week, I can't remember that either


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... I ask you now and I [will] ask you to respond again in 30, 90, 180, 365, 1,000 and 10,000 days and tell me [if] Egypt any closer to democracy now than she was say in 2009! Remember, I asked first.
....Every ethnic or tribal group in the Middle East wants its own ...homeland. Instead, we insist on them copying the German national model [imposed on Germany by England in the mid 19th Century or the UN] dictating the shape of borders. Many if not most people in this area ...would happily rip their neighbors' [eyeballs] out if left alone....
… In less than 3 hours it will be 448 days (I think) since I [first] posted the above about Egypt, has anything changed?
.Every ethnic or tribal group in the Middle East wants its own ...homeland.The Muslim Brotherhood seemingly wants to create a generation of Egyptian widows, orphans, legless baggers, blind men, and grieving mothers by helping their all powerful god Allah, achieve his heavenly master plan for humanity here on Earth. Unfortunately for them (or maybe fortunately for us) this is how Arab Culture has always operated.


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Learn more about the history of Lesley University.
The Early Years, 1909 to 1939
In 1909 Edith Lesley [Wolfard] opened "The Lesley Normal School" in her
home on Everett Street in Cambridge, Massachusetts to train young women
to become kindergarten and early elementary teachers. Influenced by the
philosophy of German educator Friedrich Froebel, Lesley's two-year
curriculum stressed the importance of physical activity (singing,
dancing and gardening) and play, particularly with blocks and similar
objects. Edith Lesley also stressed the values of treating students as
individuals and the importance of 'gracious living.' Eleven students
graduated in the first class in 1911.
In the following year, classes in household arts were added and in
1917, a department, known first as Domestic Science and later
(1939-1940) as Home Economics, was established, offering a one- or
two-year program that prepared students to work in various public
institutions, including schools, hospitals, and settlement houses.
By the 1920s the school, now "The Lesley School," had twenty-two
instructors, had acquired three buildings for dormitories, and had built
Alumni Hall for assemblies and classes. Extra-curricular activities
came to play an important role, with Wednesday afternoons reserved for
musical or theatrical student performances. Later in the decade a
three-year kindergarten and early elementary program was offered in
addition to the two-year course of study.
During the 1930s Gertrude Malloch, who had joined the school as a
teacher and administrator in its first decade, became the school's chief
administrator, after Edith Lesley Wolfard's health began to fail. The
late 1930s to early 1940s saw some changes at Lesley. Enrollment, which
had been over 300 earlier in the decade, declined during the Depression,
reaching a low of 63 at one point.
Becoming a College, 1940-1960
In 1939 the school, to that point privately owned, became a non-profit
institution through incorporation, and during the academic year
1939-1940 it added a four-year teacher-training program. In 1943 this
four-year program was recognized as meeting all the requirements of the
B.S. in education and soon after the school began to award this degree.
1943 saw the school's name changed to Lesley College and the appointment
of the College's first president, Marguerite Franklin, who led the
school during the transition. Edith Lesley Wolfard retained the titles
of Founder and Director Emeritus. In 1944 Trentwell Mason White became
president. The first baccalaureate degrees were awarded in June of 1945.
In 1949, Lesley College acquired the Walter F. Dearborn School and the
Lesley Ellis School, and in 1959 added a third, the Carroll Hall School,
as laboratory schools, providing opportunities for study and
observation by Lesley College students and faculty.
The next decade was one of growth for Lesley, with the addition of
evening and summer classes, new buildings and an enrollment expanding to
380 undergraduate and 52 graduate students. Lesley achieved regional
and national accreditation in 1952 and in 1954 was empowered to confer a
Master's Degree in Elementary Education. The new graduate program was
co-ed. The decade was also marked by loss, with Edith Lesley Wolfard's
death in 1953 and President White's in 1959.
Don Orton succeed Dr. White in July 1960. As the 1960s progressed,
enrollment continued to grow and the college continued to offer a
variety of student activities and clubs. A building project was
launched, transforming the college's landscape into an urban academic
village. The quad was created, housing a new library, dorm spaces, and
classrooms. The 1960s also saw the death of Gertrude Malloch, who
donated her home to be used as a house for the Lesley College President.
Building the Graduate School, 1960-1990
Lesley College continued to grow in the 1970s and 1980s, both building
and acquiring new properties. While retaining its preeminence in early
childhood education, Lesley began branching out in new directions,
starting four new Master's degree programs in Independent Studies,
Expressive Therapies, Integrated Arts in Education (now Creative Arts in
Learning), and Counseling and Psychology. Each program was the first of
its kind in the country. By the end of the 1970s, Lesley offered 18
different master's degrees, including an extension program in Israel
that offered expressive therapy training to Israeli professionals.
In 1980, the Audubon Expedition Institute (AEI) launched, enabling
students to earn their Bachelor and Master's degrees by traveling across
the country on a bus and learning about the environment by living in
it. In 1981, Lesley initiated the School of Programs in Management for
Business and Industry (PMBI), which later became the School of
Management. By the mid-80s, the graduate school enrollment was over
3300, and, additionally, Lesley launched its first off-campus program,
the National Outreach program in Denver, Colorado. In 1982, an academic
and living skills program for young adults with learning disabilities
was also founded, called the Threshold Program. In 1985, Lesley
inaugurated Margaret McKenna as its president. Soon after, the New
England Association of Schools and Colleges approved Lesley's first
Ph.D. program. The first Ph.D. students were admitted in the fall of
In the 1990s, Lesley continued to increase the size of its campus by
purchasing the Porter Exchange Building, which doubled its classroom
space. The college also joined Division III of the NCAA (National
Collegiate Athletic Association), distinguishing itself as an
institution that encourages both physical and intellectual prowess.
International programs increased, being offered in Europe, the Middle
East, and Canada. In 1996, the Graduate School of Education was
officially established. In 1998, the college merged with the Art
Institute of Boston.
Becoming a University, 2000 to Present
The new millennium has proven to be one of success and distinction for
Lesley. In 2000, Lesley officially became a university, and its
undergraduate program was renamed Lesley College. In 2003, Princeton
Review named the university as one of the "Best Northeastern Colleges,"
and in 2004 Backpacker magazine named Lesley's Audubon Expedition
Institute as one of the "Top 5 Outdoor Education" programs. The college
went co-ed in 2005, admitting men for the first time. 2007 brought the
end of President McKenna 22-year tenure. She was replaced by Dr. Joseph
B. Moore in August 2007.
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On Saturday, March 31, Arsenal Football Club's annual 10-lap fun run, 'Be a Gunner. Be a Runner,' will return to Emirates Stadium in support of the Club's official global charity partner, Save the Children.
The event, now in its fourth year, continues to go from strength to strength – last year's event had more than 600 entrants and raised £60,000 for charity – but we need your support to help the 2012 event go global.
Feedback from previous events has shown that a number of international fans would like the chance to get involved, so with the help of the Arsenal Supporters Clubs network, we wouldd like to give our worldwide fan base that opportunity.
'Be a Gunner. Be a Runner' is 10 laps of Emirates Stadium, or a total distance of 6.4 kilometers. We are therefore looking for Arsenal fans overseas to set up and run their own 6.4km challenge on Saturday, March 31, either individually or in groups. It could be in a park, on a beach or even around another football stadium!
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'Be a Gunner. Be a Runner' is in aid of Arsenal's global charity partner, Save the Children, who work in more than 120 countries worldwide. All money raised through the partnership will be used to support the charity on a range of education projects in the UK and overseas, helping the poorest children get a better start in life and giving them the chance to grow and fulfil their potential.Copyright 2017 The Arsenal Football Club plc. Permission to use quotations from this article is granted subject to appropriate credit being given to www.arsenal.com as the source


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International Study
As a Political Science major or minor, you are encouraged to spend at least one semester abroad. Through study abroad, you will develop global awareness, experience diverse political systems, and gain deeper appreciation of American politics in comparative perspective. Study abroad is an excellent addition to a resumé for those of you seeking careers in domestic and international politics, as well as in law.
You may study abroad in any country, provided that you do so through an accredited program approved by the Office of International Programs. As a political science major or minor, you are particularly encouraged to consider a semester at Duquesne's Rome or Dublin programs. Both programs offer excellent opportunities for experiencing other cultures and taking courses that will enrich your understanding of politics. The Dublin program is affiliated with University College Dublin, whose Clinton Institute for American Studies, may be of special interest to political science students. For information about Duquesne's Italian campus in Rome, click here; for information about Duquesne in Dublin, click here.
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Storms and Climate Change
The Atlantic hurricane season will soon be upon us again , and no doubt many people will recall last year's devastating Hurricanes that swept across Florida. There was a great deal of press about these storms, as 3 major hurricanes and 5 tropical storms made landfall in the US. According to HurricaneProtection.com, the last time eight different tropical cyclones impacted the United States coastline in a single season was 1916. There were a total of 15 tropical storms and hurricanes, which means that the total number of storms that year was higher than 95% of the previous years of hurricane observations. There was also a record number of Typhoons over Japan in 2004 (10! The previous record was 6 from 1996) . Typhoons are the same as Hurricanes, but have a different name over the Indian ocean and the western Pacific. They are also known as 'tropical cyclones'. Furthermore, it was the first time that a tropical cyclone had been observed in the south Atlantic (see WMO Climate News, Jan 2005, p. 12)! So, what's going on?
The topic regarding tropical storms have also been a contriversial topic in the scientific community. Has there really been a systematic long-term trend in the storm statistics? Chan and Liu (2004) found no systematic change in typhoons that could be related to changes in the sea surface temperature. Because trends in sea surface temperature (SST) have been relative weak over the past 50 years, Knutson & Tuleya (2004) have argued that CO2-induced tropical cyclone intensity changes are unlikely to be detectable in historical observations and will probably not be detectable for decades to come. Although there is no clear linear trend in the Atlantic hurricane number (see Fig. 1), there may nevertheless be other indications which may suggest that the tropical cyclone statistics are changing.
Fig.1: Number of storms every 5-year interval since 1850 divided in 6 different categories of severities, with 'Tropical Storm' as the least and 'Category 5' as the most powerful cyclones. The whole column indicates the total number of tropical cyclones over the given 5-year interval.
We know for sure that the number of Atlantic cyclones is affected by the presence El Ninos (the frequency is almost halved) and La Ninas (many hurricanes). Hence, we know that there must at least be something that influences the hurricane statistics. We know that one necessary condition for Atlantic cyclones to be spawned is that the sea surface in parts of the tropical Atlantic must be higher than a threshold value (~27deg C). The state of the atmosphere must also be favourable, that is, the winds should not change too much with height, as a wind shear might 'tear' the growing structures.
GCMs tend to be too coarse to resolve cyclones, but high-resolution regional models for storm studies exist. Knutson & Tuleya (2004) have studied how the hurricane activity may respond to increased CO2 levels, given known physical laws, and found a deepening of the central pressure and more intensive rainfall. If we choose to look at other statistics from the same data as in Fig. 1 – say the maximum wind speeds or minimum pressure associated with the Atlantic hurricanes – there appears to have been a trend after all (Fig. 2).
Fig.2: Indications of maximum wind speed and minimum pressure of the most severe tropical storm per season.
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Community Lifestyle Commitment
All students, faculty and staff
Expectations and Responsibilities for Community Life at Eastern Mennonite University
Eastern Mennonite University is a Christian community in the Anabaptist/Mennonite tradition joined together for the purpose of academic study, personal development and spiritual growth. We are committed to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and believe that the scriptures establish the basic principles that should guide our life together. These principles include the responsibility to love God with all our being, love our neighbors as ourselves, seek after righteousness, practice justice, help those in need, forgive others, seek forgiveness and exercise freedom responsibly with loving regard for others.
We acknowledge that it is impossible to create a community with expectations that are totally acceptable to every member. Nevertheless, clearly stated expectations promote orderly community life. Because of the importance of trust in and responsibility to one another, violations of these standards are regarded as a serious breach of integrity within the community.
As a member of the EMU community, I will strive to practice stewardship of mind, time, abilities and finances. I will pursue opportunities for intellectual and spiritual growth and demonstrate care for my body. I also will exercise social responsibility in my standard of living and use of economic resources. Realizing the destructive character of an unforgiving spirit and harmful discrimination based on prejudice, I will seek to demonstrate unselfish love in my actions, attitudes and relationships. I will be honest and show respect for the rights and property of others.
I recognize that some social practices are harmful to me, as well as harmful or offensive to others. Therefore, respecting the values of others and the mission of Eastern Mennonite University, I recognize my responsibility as a member of the community to refrain from sexual relationships outside of marriage, sexual harassment and abuse, pornography, acts of violence, abusive or demeaning language and the use of illegal drugs. Recognizing that EMU supports nonuse of alcohol and tobacco, I will respect and abide by the university policy that prohibits the use of alcohol and tobacco on campus or at university functions and the misuse of alcohol off campus.
I pledge myself to carry out this commitment in a spirit of openness and helpfulness through mutual accountability motivated by love.
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Re: how to export to Excel in Mathematica from a Parametricplot command
I'd question the motivation here. Why not plot it in Mathematica and then export the plot as .PNG or .PDF? Once you get the ropes, you'll find that Mathematica is nicely flexible for all of your needs.
From: mrafiee20 at gmail.com [mrafiee20 at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 22:20
To: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net
Subject: [mg127185] how to export to Excel in Mathematica from a Parametricplot command
Hi all,
This example is from Mathematica:
NDSolve[{y'[t] == y[t] (x[t] - 1), x'[t] == x[t] (2 - y[t]),
x[0] == 1, y[0] == 2.7}, {x, y}, {t, 0, 10}];
ParametricPlot[Evaluate[{x[t], y[t]} /. First[%]], {t, 0, 10}]
My question is:
How can I export the results (*.xls or *.dat) to plot it with other programs like Origin pro, Excel, Tecplot, etc.?


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I was trying some new recipes to impress the lady's yes I mean lady's with the "S" two of them in fact, I know what your thinking I'm from Arkansas probably my sister but no not my sister. Any-way it turned out much better than I expected.
Duck Breasts
White wine
Garlic powder
Bell peppers
Shish-k-bob sticks
Slice duck breasts in strips about 1.5 inches wide,
Marinate in white wine for 15 to 30 minutes
Wrap in bacon
Skewer on shish-k-bob sticks with chunks of onion and pepper,
Season liberally with salt, pepper, and garlic, cook over charcoal fire that is burned down to white coals for about 15 to 20 minutes,
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The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki
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For the record, maybe Gary should PM this guy who is having trouble finding the DISA:
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Thanks for the info and the great photos guys, i have the codes logged in my computer and will be taking out the DISA to inspect as soon as i get a warm enough day!
well i just bought your repair kit and i didn't even inspect my DISA. thats how much of a wild card I am. too much work for me, the new parts will motivate me... next weekend.
I used the tip of a wooden chopstick. Depending on how narrow the chopstick tip is, use a needle nose plier (or any plier) to lightly crush the tip so that the tip fits into the O-ring slot. I used a small flat blade screw driver to get things started but the wooden chopstick did a great job of cleaning out the slot. The wood was hard enough to scrape away the O-ring material and soft enough not to damage the plastic grove. After crushing the tip, the wood fibers become a little flexible and can really get the corners cleaned out. I used it like an eraser, scrubbing back and forth to get the stubborn areas clean. It worked great.
- How the DISA valve operates (0) (1) (2) (3) (4) & how to test DISA operation (0) (1) (2) (3) (4) & a nice DISA autopsy (1) (2)
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My (long) DISA Story
Gary, Thanks so much for the DISA repair kit. The kit (possibly the O-ring alone) made an amazing difference and restored power I didn't realize was gone. The loss of power occurred slowly over time so I had no idea how much power I was missing. The car drives like it's new again (ok - I might be exaggerating just a little).
Here's my long DISA story. Years ago I was replacing the CCV and wasn't sure what method I was going to use so I started with trying to remove the intake manifold. One thing I removed at the time was the DISA. I decided not to continue along that path and installed the CCV without removing the intake manifold. When I put it all back together and started the car, I got a service engine light. I missed one of those connectors that come from that octopus of wires near the air intake (wires that go to many sensors and controls). I reconnected it but the light didn't go away. When I finally got the tools to look at and reset the codes. I was getting several codes related to unmetered air getting into the system. The codes I was getting regularly were 227 and 228, 'lambda contol tolerance Banks 1 and 2' as well as other related codes. The CCV connections were fine. I chased that air leak for years (whenever I had time). It was there after the OFH gasket change, after changing spark plugs and after changing the valve cover gasket. Codes 227 and 228 were always showing up. Two years ago, I decided to check the DISA valve again. I took it out and it seemed something was wrong with it. The flapper wasn't quite right, I thought maybe it needed to be in its installed position to function properly so I attempted to reinstall it but it wouldn't fit back in properly. It wouldn't sit flush against the manifold. The old me would have forced it in and tightened the bolts but I must have learned something over the years because when I pulled it out to see what was blocking it from fitting properly, I found the pin that holds the flapper in place sitting in the channel that the DISA slides into. I was lucky. I assembled the pin into the flapper. The DISA was functioning fine with the pin installed but I didn't know enough at the time to suspect the pre-formed O-ring. It seemed good to me. It wasn't until a couple of months ago when I tried again to track down the air leak that I came upon all of these DISA threads with discussions about how to change the O-Ring. I took the DISA out one more time and saw it was no longer functioning. The flapper moved freely. I ordered Gary's kit with the Fluorosilicone O-ring and did the repair (the bell crank was completely rounded). It's been a month and I notice an amazing improvement in power. I'd merge onto the freeway, look at the speedometer and notice I'm doing 80-85 without pushing the car at all. Best of all, I haven't seen codes 227 and 228 in a month (I think the O-ring solved that mystery).
It's a great design, an easy fix and in my case solved a several year old air leak mystery. Thanks Gary.
Last edited by geobrick; 03-10-2013 at 07:48 PM.
Everyone needs this!
After reading many testimonials of the hazards and pitfalls of the "DISA valve" it seemed like a logical conclusion that this part WILL fail. It's not a matter of if, but when. And when it fails, it can have serious side effects; the imaginary animation of a metal pin flowing into one of my combustion chambers was not pretty.
I didn't want to remove the part for inspection without at least having a new sealing ring. I saw discussion of which O-ring would fit, and the arguments over which material was best suited. I heard about group buys on new DISA valves, but these parts were made the same and would also fail. Once I discovered the G.A.S. solution, I knew that only this was good enough for my E39. The price seemed VERY reasonable for a potentially permanent fix for this BMW albatross. I had to have the uprated O-ring, of course, and the transaction was silky smooth, shipping lighting fast.
Machining is what sets aside the "proper" parts from the mass produced dregs of China and Taiwan. It's also what separates BMW from the likes of Ford...and Hyundai. They are getting better, but I bet they change the cutting heads a lot less frequently and accept a lot more slop in the whole process. With that in mind, when I opened the small box from German Auto Solutions, my eyes opened wide. These pieces are works of art! I had never seen the inside of my DISA valve, but I knew it didn't.....couldn't look this good.
OK, so not only do they outdo themselves with the machining but they have complete directions, which are very easy to follow, with plenty of pictures. They go SO far out of their way to make sure you don't screw it up, I was starting to feel offended with all the disclaimers and warnings. C'mon, this aint my first ro-de-oh!!
Enough already! On with the magnificence:
Oh, yeah......
Now THAT'S what a DISA should look like!
You just read that story above mine, how his pin was just floating around in the groove the DISA rests in, O - M to the ff'in G!! Here's what mine looked like after I removed it:
First of all, the lever was so rounded, the flapper was spinning, unable to be activated at all. The pin was still in place (thank the maker), but VERY well worn. And you can see one of the flapper corners was eroded away from just hanging in the breeze rubbing against the rest of the setup. This was on a car with just 100K. Seriously, if you've never thought about this device, this is your wakeup call. If you have checked yours, good, but give yourself the piece of mind, and get this kit and install it. Grassroots tech like this needs to be in the spotlight, HUGE kudos to the G.A.S. team!
Speed, reliability and cost........pick two and throw the third out the window!
Thanks Five30Eye for the glowing feedback.
The kit has been on the market almost a year now and has been a great success. If people only knew the amount of time and effort that went into the design of this kit. I'm a perfectionist at the very core and I think it shows up in the quality and attention to detail of the kit and the instructions. This is not a big money maker for us due to the number and extent of machining operations, plus bead blasting, anodizing and all the accessories that we include in the kit.
The kit price was set based on what the market would bare based on the replacement cost of a new unit, not the actual cost to produce kit plus a normal profit margin. Now that replacement units have gone up in price by a $100.00 we are considering a small price increase in the kit. You will probably see the kit price increase in a month or so to $79.95 from the current price of $75.00. I hate to do that, but I have already tweaked every part of the production process to minimize machining time without sacrificing any quality. The $4.95 increase still won't bring the kit into a "normal" profit margin range, but it will help over time. I promise that we will cap the price at $79.95 (baring hyper inflation or something else beyond our control) to make sure that the kit remains a very good value over the cost of replacement.
Thanks again everyone for your support and kind words over the past year.
Keep checking the website for new products offerings, like maybe our new 1.2 bar coolant cap (hint, hint) that currently has an introductory sale price.
"I'm a little rascal on my Little Rascal"
- unknown
This week the DISA valve on my 330 with 73k miles started audibly rattling quite loudly. Unplugged the DISA and the rattle went away immediately, so easy confirmation there. Was shocked to see the OEM part is almost $350! I'm really considering picking up this repair/upgrade kit - though by the sound of it I should first pull off my DISA unit and inspect it to make sure the housing is in good shape? I haven't noticed any real negative symptoms in the car beyond the occasional uneven idle so I expect the vacuum seal is still okay. I've unplugged it in the meantime to help avoid any plastic bits falling into the intake.
Looks like a quality kit, Gary, thank you for all your hard work.
Last edited by GuinnessDraught; 03-02-2013 at 07:58 PM.
When trying to order the DISA/coolant cap combo, the DISA defaults to the 2.2/2.5 version but I have a 3.0. Is the combo price available for the 3.0 or do I need to order the parts separately?
Thanks for posting these photos of the inside of your manifold. Just inspected my DISA yesterday and looked very similar and the inside of the intake looked like that also ... some sludge and grit. I did discover my lean codes were probably being caused by cracks in the intake boot so maybe dirty air coming through there introduced some of the grit. I'd love to know how many others see this kind of sludge in their intakes?
More than likely, the oil/ sand build-up is from the CCV not working properly - providing enough vacuum through the valve...
So, instead of the CCV pulling blow-by down towards the oil pan, and out through the Valve to be vented, the blow-by and oil gunk is being sucked up through the Intake Manifold....
Not good...!
You might check-out these threads:
What if, which is very common, and which happened to me, the CCV vent hose to the dip stick guide tube snapped nearly in half (as shown below on my M54) at the 90° upper elbow nearest the CCV ...
Would THAT huge hose tear also cause road grime to be sucked into the intake manifold?
Please read the suggested threads and add value, either by pictures or by descriptions, so the next person stands on your shoulders.
See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need
But, could probably mess up the CCV system by not allowing the system to pull sufficient vacuum through the system.
Think of it as a giant straw, and you now poked a hole in the middle of the straw as you are sucking your drink up...
Once the hole is there in the straw, it makes it pretty hard to suck and drink through that straw, huh...?
Please read the suggested threads and add value, either by pictures or by descriptions, so the next person stands on your shoulders.
See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need
That particular broken hose would be an unfiltered air inlet directly into the intake manifold. If left that way for very long in a dirty driving environment I could see it allowing a lot of grit into the intake manifold.
"I'm a little rascal on my Little Rascal"
- unknown
Got the kit I ordered yesterday and did the repair/install today. Seems to have worked great! High quality parts and excellent instructions. Thank you, Gary!
Took me 2-3 hours to do start to finish as I was taking my time and in no hurry. The most tedious and time-consuming part was scraping off the old O-ring and cleaning it up real good before putting the new one on. Overall it was a pretty easy job.
Also I'm glad that I did this now, as when I was taking my old DISA apart I caught this:
The pin was starting to protrude from the housing it is supposed to be flush against. It is not a very long pin, nor is it threaded. It wasn't loose, but it did not take all that much effort to pull out. I'm actually pretty shocked by how bad of a design the OEM part is!
Very impressed by the redesigned replacement parts that will ensure this sort of risk of metal bits falling into the intake manifold will never happen again! Just like the GAS page describes, the plastic lever's hexagonal stem had worn away and begun to get rounded off causing the flapper to rattle and have a much less precise motion. Gary's kit is how the DISA should have been designed by BMW in the first place!
All fixed up:
With the repaired/upgraded unit installed back into the car my DISA rattle is gone, my occasional drooping/hunting idle seems to have disappeared, my off-the-line power feels more even, and the kick you feel when VANOS engages at 4000-4500 RPM feels stronger.
I imagine my DISA had been slowly dying and becoming less effective for quite some time before starting to make the racket that caught my attention. I hadn't even noticed how much it had been affecting performance as it degraded so slowly over time.
interested too look like a great fix
There will be some vacuum I suppose, but no-where near the vacuum that is needed.
To Gary...
Your Disa Repair kit is OUT of Stock until the 15th...!
Any update on the CCV build...?
Last edited by Jason5driver; 03-12-2013 at 10:02 AM.
"I'm a little rascal on my Little Rascal"
- unknown
First post here:
I installed the G.A.S. kit last weekend on a 2002 330i with 114K miles. My original DISA valve was still in good shape with no noticeable play in the tapered hex joint, and it took a good deal of force to pry the bell crank off the flapper. I also purchased the 1.2 bar coolant cap.
As everyone can attest, the kit is top notch. And as alluded to by Gary, the real issue is the hex joint. After a bit of clearance forms, it really is just a matter of time until the bell crank works itself free, and if left that way for too long, the free wheeling flapper could take out the frame and cause more serious damage.
From what I can tell, the real benefit of an aluminum flapper is that it allows for a secure mounting point for the titanium screw and, therefore, a tight press fit for the tapered hex joint, which as noted is what starts the ball rolling toward gloom and doom for the OEM design.
I also replaced my CCV unit with another OEM unit. I wish G.A.S's redesign were ready for purchase -- maybe next time.
Just placed an order for the DISA valve repair kit and coolant cap combo. I've read nothing but good review on Gary's redesigned product so I'm convinced. My car currently has 185,000 kms (115,000 miles) so I will be replacing it whenever I get a chance. Not in a rush but I know once I take care of that, I'll never have to worry about it ever again.
2002 530i Sport Package 5-speed
Style 42s for summer
Style 29s for winter
CDV delete
Skibag retrofit
G.A.S. DISA Valve Repair Kit
G.A.S. 1.2 Bar Expansion Tank Cap
Anything with the CCV...?
Do you have any ideas on how to repair the rubber around the frame-work for the flapper on the Disa Valve...?
Please let me know.
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Gary, I received one of your 3.0i DISA Valve rebuild kits back in Feb. I am so lucky that the original valve stayed together long enough to let me rebuild the thing. We have a 04 X3 3.0i. it now has 87,000 miles. The DISA valve was ready to fall apart. When I removed it, the yellow teflon pivot lever was worn to the point that it did not even hit the flapper valve. The stainless pin was partially out but the only thing keeping the flapper from falling into the intake manifold. The new kit installed, functions great. The fuel mileage is back to 20.5 combined and 24 Hwy. The performance is back. Thanks for such a great solution.
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|May 7th, 2007, 10:09 AM
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[QUOTE=OneManBanned;540050]Let's see....the chairman of the above; working on his second unannounced and expired ter............................................... .................................................. ............................QUOTE]
Please do not hi-jack this thread.
This has been a very constructive thread to educate the 4 wheeling community on understanding the laws as they pertain to full size street licensed vehicles. Not Quads, Not Bikes, and Not RUV's.
I know you have an axe to grind with how the ORV Advisory Board is configured and their term limits, and just how the members become members, along with the whole concept MMRC and weather they exist and who's on the board. Please don't contaminate this discussion with off-topic rhetoric.
I know your passionate about things not being done correctly with the DNR, having been abound since M.O.R.V.A.C. in the '80's (remember that DNR advisory group?) I have witnessed the DNR not doing what they say they'll do for literall decades. We couldn't change it then and I don't see it changing now without some sort of Legislative assistance like ZooKeeper said.
So, If you've got a bitch about the ORV Advisory Board start a new topic or continue posting on this one:
After all you started this one because some took the original discussion off-topic.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
|May 7th, 2007, 11:19 AM
Gimme the Busket!
|May 7th, 2007, 11:51 AM
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I've told these guys for years that simply banning me from these forums was the best route to proceed if indeed they did not desire the truth to be told on these issues.
I've also told them that time and money were not even close to being an object if they decide to go down the exact same road that is hinted at above.
It's your choice....and I believe that revealing the above was certainly a very bad one indeed.
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|May 7th, 2007, 12:07 PM
Gimme the Busket!
Even better, as some have stated: You have been "kicked out of ORV meetings", and have NOT "provided a truth" in this thread. Do you see "flying elephants at night" too?
I agree with whiterhino and "Welcome to the Ignore List".
|May 7th, 2007, 05:20 PM
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Wow, I am learning a lot from this thread.
I have many questions though. Do these laws not apply to areas that are designated ORV parks (Mounds, Badlands, Silver Lake)? I'm referring to the "2wd must be able to get through it" and no spinning tires.
When you are driving down the road and see a dirt trail you might want to check out, is it legal to go drive down it as long as there are no "No Trespassing" signs? Is this where those laws pertain to? I have to turn around the minute I know I can't make it through without 4wd or without spinning my tires.
I'm glad I'm not done working on the Jeep so I can inform myself on these laws before breaking them from ignorance.
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|May 7th, 2007, 05:46 PM
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virtually all these laws are up for interpertation (sp) by the officer himself, cause each one has their own idea what the laws actually are
|May 7th, 2007, 06:30 PM
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Maybe it's just me, but I thought Laws were....well...Laws. If you do ________, then _____ is what happens to you. (you fill in the blanks)
But I'm getting ahead of myself... Has anyone come up with a 'plan of attack' on how we can improve things? I mean, getting GLFWDA membership up is an idea... trying to "Police our own" is another... what else can/shoud we do and HOW are we going to do it? Organize a letter writing campaign or petitions or something? Organized trail runs with a minimal fee that goes directly into the GLFWDA coffer? I wonder if Lindsey could get some of her friends to put on a truck/jeep wash!? (no disrespect intended but they'd get more customers than Stan in his speedo)
Again for "Onemanbanned": I personally would like to know the details here. Names, dates, charters and bylaws. If you don't want to say it publicly then shoot a PM. I'm not saying that I won't bring it up publicly IF I can validate that it's all true. Abuse of the system (if it's indeed going on) perpetuates the "Old Boys Club" mentality that is keeping a strangle hold on our sport.
Am I taking crazy pills?
|May 7th, 2007, 07:07 PM
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B2Bomber and myself were talking about this...........
Maybe we need to go to lansing and have an old school rally.........
I mean think about it, this state needs to recognize us, not just by the DNR but by the governor etc....i mean over all theirs thousands of us that wheel and would like to wheel in this state. The state needs to realize that many of us travel out of state to spend our money on ORV parks, gas, camping/lodging, food the list could go on and on. I keep seeing the same thing DNR this DNR that, i think we need to go past that, make the bigger ones in charge who complain about the state budget see that their losing money hand over fist here. I mean look at history, we need more then just small groups at small meetings, get the news involved, make it more then just a group of guys who read about this stuff on the net, make it so all those guys and gals without computers know about it.
|May 7th, 2007, 07:36 PM
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Property ownership can be found by getting Plat Maps. These books are available @ Register of Deed's offices in each county. Cost is around $25.00 to $35.00.
Ask around, most of these books are in circulation in GLFWDA as they are required whenever an event is put on as the DNR requires route mapping for events to be put on these maps.
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|May 7th, 2007, 08:52 PM
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I just can't keep up with all of you!
I guess I'll just add this for now:
GLFWDA is taking steps to address the poor state of ORV legislation.
Step 1) Form a Land Use Committee to unify all of our various initiatives - DONE (although ALWAYS in progress, join us!)
Step 2) Hold a "Learning to Lobby Workshop" - to be scheduled for late THIS quarter - JOIN US!
Step 3) Decide which legislation is first priority (I'm sure we all want the 2wd and erosive condition clauses tackled)
Step 4) Develop a list of "ORV or 4x4 Friendly" legislators - Already started (THANK YOU Collin!!!)
Step 5) Implement what we've learned at our 'Workshop'
This process was outlined and started several months ago but is still young enough that ANYONE on this site who felt strongly enough to join GLFWDA and its Land Use Committee (LUC) at this time would still be just as informed as those who expressed interest at its inception.
Join us, PLEASE!
|May 7th, 2007, 08:55 PM
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Just another quick note:
The AB held nominations and voted on membership at the first meeting this year.
ALL AB members are currently sitting by PROPER vote.
Sorry OMB, you'll have to find another web to weave, this one has come unraveled.
|May 7th, 2007, 10:31 PM
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Those nominations were simply to establish parliamentary positions for the board itself (election of officers so to speak)....not a formal request by the DNR; to the 'peon' general public; for an opportunity to actually serve on this board to make up for the time lost years ago when these two terms expired.(with no announcement to that effect whatsoever).
Either you truly do believe that these people are stupid enough to swallow what you've just offered...or you're just so used to 'spinning' that you can't even separate the reality involved in these 'right to know' issues to begin with.(sorry, Pat; yet I just can't let you get away with saying things like the above when I know darn well that there are guys on here who know better).
The only people who (quote/unquote) "vote" on these people are the DNR themselves...every one of them has always been hand-picked by nobody but....and this latest 'we will by gosh allow our selections to serve just as long as we see fit!' nonsense is one but of a myriad of tactics used over the years to stifle simple day-to-day input from the general public.
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|May 8th, 2007, 06:12 AM
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Funny how only you can see what is "true" and that everyone else is deluded. Thank god we have you here to open our eyes and tell us the real workings of our state legislature.
Again, WTF do you do for the sport besides being a nuisance on internet bulletin boards? I still assert that you continue to do more harm than good by being such an antagonist. People don't want your silly Rhino vehicles on forest trails. Get over it.
Yours Truly,
Elitist Cyclist.
BTW, didn't see you out here enjoying nature:
Oops, that's right, your vehicle belongs on a farm or in the pits.
These do not belong on forest trails, and you have personally convinced me to fight your access every step of the way. How many others have you swayed?
|May 8th, 2007, 06:19 AM
Gimme the Busket!
Exactly Scooter. I have never been on a Quad or Bike, but I will fight for your ability to ride. When you "eliminate one, something will be next". As long as they are good to go, then we ARE winning.
|May 8th, 2007, 06:30 AM
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|May 8th, 2007, 07:25 AM
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Here's a copy of an email I sent to the GLFWDA members who usually show up at the meetings:
I will be there.
I have a fear that we'll have 20 or more full-size enthusiasts show and each rant and rave for their 3 minute comment period.
I WHOLE-HEARTEDLY believe that we should ALL refrain from comment on the video.
IF you have something to say, WRITE IT DOWN. We would/could then have a discussion on it on our own private forum, compile all of our comments, form them into a concise, cohesive document that we can read or submit as the 'official' GLFWDA response to the video at the following AB meeting.
I think we should have ONE, and only ONE, person stand up and quietly let them know (IF they're looking for a response at all) that having just been shown the video, GLFWDA can not comment until a copy had been obtained from the Department, reviewed by the GLFWDA BOD, and a proper response formulated. That response will be ready for the next AB meeting.
. . .or something like that.
I'm just afraid that 20- 30 people spouting off will make us (4 wheelers) look like idiots.
Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have 20-30 4x4 enthusiasts present at EVERY meeting. I just don't want the sport to look like a bunch of unlike-minded, unorganized, lunatics (like OMB comes off as).
If you're planning to attend; listen, think, and get with me or GLFWDA AFTER the meeting and let us know how you feel and what you think.
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|May 8th, 2007, 08:02 AM
I'm not old, honest...
Pat, I have to publicly disagree. GLFWDA is the organization that the DNR recognizes and is most likely to address about the video. So, yes GLFWDA needs to be the center of response.
However, this is a public meeting. We have been begging people to attend. If they want to speak, they legally are allowed to and I believe they should. The DNR needs to hear from more than "the usual few".
The key is, as I stated above, polite, well mannered, dressed well goes much further than yelling and screaming. People need to show that they can be professional.
We have all seen what yelling and screaming has done for OMB. Everyone considers him an idiot.
|May 8th, 2007, 08:04 AM
I'm not old, honest...
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text: How does the color look to you guys? I dyed it with a bottle of evening blue and a box of pearl grey and have already washed it a couple of times to fade it from the ultra bright blue that it was. I think it's looking pretty close to the ESB screen caps except for the belt pockets they turned out weird.