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Wednesday, August 12, 2009
Between thin and fat: dichotomies, binaries, and the unacknowledged spectrum
Until one day, when I was walking home from middle school, reading a book. Doing my daily thing in the winter, bundled up in a coat. Suddenly a man leaned out of a car window and yelled, "DOG!"
I was 12.
It never happened again (because I generally operate with thin privilege) but I never forgot it. It cropped up in the poems and stories I wrote for years and years. My sexual and social growth was already stunted, but this one incident triggered years of insecurity and body hate. That wasn't the only contributing factor - others included further abuse from classmates (my nickname at one point was "the beast"), and the lovely society we live in. But it's what started it, began to make me hate the space I took up, allowed others to make me feel that I wasn't beautiful and didn't deserve that space.
I overcame it. I went to a women's college and saw beautiful fat women everywhere, treated as beautiful and idolized for their style and grace. I learned to debate, to own my intelligence and the space I fill. I fell for a great guy who loved my body without fetishizing it. I still was pleased when I lost 20 pounds when anxiety made me throw up everything I ate, but not broken up when I gained it back. I was and am beautiful.
Though my bigass hips were once a feature I scorned, today I love them. I've given up the fantasy of being thin, and the diet I blogged about in just May. I'm trying to eat more vegetables, but for the cancer-fighting properties. I'm trying to exercise more, but because my boyfriend keeps speeding ahead of me. and I've realized that men are not just attracted to me because of my pretty face, but because of my soft stomach, because of the wide berth of my hips. Other men are attracted to other women because they are thin, but there are plenty of men who aren't for the very same reason. I feel free, now, to wear horizontally striped, patterned, and brightly colored skirts to accentuate the supposed flaw, or dresses that add to my hips rather than minimizing them (left). Where I once squeezed into size 12 because a 14 made me feel fat, I now wear an 12. Or a 16, or an M. Or a 14, an XL, a 10 - whatever fits.
Characters like Joan, singers like Beyonce, and actresses like Kate Winslet are changing the way hips are viewed, but not the way we wield language and fatphobia. And while I've embraced wearing clothes that fit and being an occasional 16, I still benefit from thin privilege, and I'm still blinded by it. In my post on street harassment on Monday, I was very careful to account for all of my privileges - except for thinness. Thinness is a privilege that ensures any catcalls I do receive will be (at least initially) menacing in a complimentary way and not in a way that serves to shame me for taking up space.
In the comments of yesterday's post on Joan of Mad Men, there were a number of comments about how she's not fat, or she shouldn't be considered fat, or whathaveyou. My intention was not to say that Joan was fat - she's not, and she benefits from thin privilege, as I noted - but that she is fat for TV, which she definitely is, and reveals the complete and utter lack of bodily diversity on television. I was trying to use fat as a descriptive term, and a positive one.
I was a little disturbed that so many were so quick to reject the term fat in its application to Joan yesterday. Many seemed to construct the word fat as an automatic slur, and said that it was being "misrepresented". No one wanted to apply a word that carries such ugliness to such a beautiful woman. Fatness is subjective in this case, and I don't blame people for being cautious in its use.
The people who had an issue also had point - its use can be easily misinterpreted. Fat has been made into a slur so thoroughly in our culture, it's hard to see how being fat could be the reason someone is beautiful rather than in spite of that.
Fatness is subjective in this case, and I don't blame people for being cautious in its use. But there's no way to describe a body that is may not be fat, but is certainly not thing - a body that takes up more space than is generally allowed women, but wouldn't be constructed and degraded as a fat body would.
I benefit from thin privilege, and I recognize that. I'm not understood to be fat (though I would if I were in TV!). My body fits normative standards, particularly in the South. Calling myself fat doesn't feel right. It's disowning my privilege.
But I'm not thin. I fit into "okay", but I don't fit into the ideal. It never has, and it never will. I've had days, weeks, years ruined by fatphobia.
When there's a well defined binary/dichotomy between fat and thin, how am I to describe my size, Joan's size, America Ferrera's size in a feminist context? Where is the spectrum, and where am I on it, and how do I describe it?
Average and medium don't sound right. It's normalizing - constructing my body as the right kind of body, and placing an implied "too" before thin and fat. Curvy smacks of a euphemism with a troubled history - and many women have curves, and some don't. "Real" is really problematic - there is no one way to be a woman, and defining authenticity in sex/gender leads to transphobia.
I could say my weight (about 180) or size (anywhere from size 10 to 16), but not everyone is comfortable saying that. I've been staring at the cursor for some time, trying to come up with a term for myself, but I'm stuck.
Fleshy? Everyone has flesh.
Big is the best that I can come up with. I am big - I am tall, and my hips are wide. It's a term I'm comfortable with.
But not all women who are not thin and not fat are big. There are petite women in the same undefined space.
Is there an umbrella term for women who are not fat, and not thin? How can privileged be owned with comfort and without dismissing the ways in which privilege is lacked?
27 comments:
You bring up a lot of difficult questions here. The thing is that fat, thin, and average? medium? really are perception-based terms that refer to the assigning of privilege more than the reality of the body. At my largest points (size 14 and pushing 16), I still benefited from thin privilege because my height and the way I dressed meant I was still perceived primarily as small.ReplyDelete
These sorts of terms by their very nature aren't going to accurately describe most bodies.
I'm honestly not sure there is a word for various spots in the spectrum.ReplyDelete
I mean, I'm 5'7", approximately size 8 and my stomach sticks out a little.
I don't seem to fit fat or thin (like you don't) all that well but I'm not big either because of certain features I have (hands, face, shoulders) that are petite in structure. They make me look small, despite my 5'7" height and size 8.
I almost want to say that the words fat and thin are in and of themselves poor descriptors. They measure perhaps one axis of body structure, and poorly at that.
You would think (if we were trying to describe body shape) that actual shape words would be the best fit. And I really am starting to think that's the case.
Like the hourglass figure, the pear shape, etcetera. The sheer variety of different body shapes represented by "fat" and represented by "thin" makes me feel like those words really don't offer any benefit at all but only serve to homogenize body structure in harmful ways.
Perception is a HUGE part of it - though BMI would have you believe otherwise, weight and size are not objective facts. (I'm not into average/medium because of the normalizing involved - not sure if you were referring to that or not).ReplyDelete
But yeah, even though I'm a 14ish and I'm big, I still significantly benefit from size/thin privilege.
Since I'm probably a lot of the crowd you're accusing of constructing fat as an automatic slur. I ain't. (At least, I'm not intending upon it.) There are definitely fat women I've found attractive, but they were fat, not just "not overly skinny". I used to date a woman who was five foot six and two hundred something pounds (not sure here, I'm terrible at guessing people's weight. But uh, she was on a weightwatchers diet at some point, and used the 200+ lbs guidelines. The unpleasantness of trying to support a girlfriend's diet enough not to be an unsupportive asshole but not so much as to be enthusiastic she lose weight aside.) She was really pretty, but she was fat, which was fine. I don't think she could've looked more attractive if she lost weight, for what it's worth. But Joan ain't fat.
I sort of get the idea that "normal" connotates good for a lot of people (I dunno, it only connotates orthogonal for me, but I digress). Not as much for medium. I don't think you'll get away from similar descriptors for people within a standard deviation or so of the mean. They are what they are.
The real problem seems to be the association between "normal" and "good". It's bizarre, but a lot of people seem to have it. But it's probably what needs to be taken down. There is an average height, an average weight, an average percent body fat, and we'll not get away from that. Better to just de-stigmatism non-averageness. Nobody gives me flak over my non-average blood type (A+). Why should they give me flak over my non-average height? (I'm about two standard deviations above the mean.)
Weight and size are objective facts, though. At the earth's surface, at sea level, I weigh 250 lbs. That's just a fact, you can measure it with Hook's law or whatever. What's ideal probably isn't knowable (whether or not there's an objective answer), but what someone's weight is is something I can know.
I fall into this unnamed range as well. I'm not slender but I'm not overweight. I can't call myself "big" because I am only 5'3". The best I can ever come up with is just to say that I "have a tummy," or "am rounder than I used to be." Labels can never encompass everyone - I think everyone just has to come up with their own way of describing themselves.ReplyDelete
At the moment, my body inhabits a similar space to yours. And it had never occurred to me before that self-identifying as "fat" would be disowning my privilege. That's an interesting insight & I'm glad to see it examined.ReplyDelete
I don't disagree, but I don't completely agree, either. I'm hesitant to see the debate framed with something that implies there's a boundary to police. In our culture, "fat" is a moving target and the threat of being called fat is a powerful weapon.
M. LeBlanc guest-blogged something related to this at Shapely Prose recently: The Fantasy of Staying Exactly As I Am (or, This Far and No Further, This Fat and No Fatter) and there's important discussion both in the post and in the comments about comparative fat-ness. We need to get out of the business of worrying about how much fat is acceptable.
I'm also an "inbetweenie" as the community on LiveJournal (which deals mostly in sales of 10-18 size clothing, unlike its sister comm, "fatshionista", which accompanies the blog of the same name and chats about mostly stylish plus size clothing, but also everything from fat sex to bike riding) terms it.ReplyDelete
I feel like depending on who I'm with and what company I keep, I have both fat and thin aspects to my "ranking" of privilege: certainly as a solid size 16 I am bigger than many of my friends. As someone who gains weight disproportionately to my stomach, I often look a little bigger than I am, and feel a bit manlier because that's not where women "should" carry their weight and certainly not how clothes are cut. But I'm smaller than a lot of my friends (including my girlfriend) as well, and I can see where I have privilege there too, the way they immediately get looked at differently than I do (and I hate it because I know those looks are not seeing the beauty I do).
I'm happy that I can look at myself and think I'm beautiful. Sure, I have issues with my tummy, or the lack of tone in my thighs and triceps. But I walk a ton, I know I'm healthy enough to function (aside from things like epilepsy and anxiety that aren't weight-related), I'm smart and a good person and pretty. And so who cares?
I agree that being at Hollins and seeing women of much more varied (and closer to the average in many cases) body types, all appreciated for who they were, skinny or fat or in between, shaped my path to concern with fat acceptance.
I wish everyone I knew could think of themselves as beautiful. I also wish that the myths about the links between weight and health would be less prevalent: it seems that people think that anything above a size 4 and you're destined to heart failure, when in fact thinness can be just as detrimental, and two people with exactly the same BMI - or even the same fat density - can have totally different healthcare concerns. I'm also concerned that our society doesn't put any emphasis on preventative care or symptom tracking UNrelated to weight -- we put all the emphasis on constant yoyo dieting - which isn't particularly good for the body.
Wow, this was long.
As a side note, I really wish Google ads gave you better choices :| Having "calculate your BMI" next to this post is oxymoronic, at best. Unfortunately, AdSense uses word searches to produce the ads. Blah.
As I'm only 5'2" (in the morning), I can't say that I'm big. I've got big breasts and wide hips and thick thighs, but a flat ass and flat stomach and tiny waist. It's a weird body space to occupy.ReplyDelete
I've recently been trying to frame my body issues in ways that others can understand, and the best I can come up with is "I'm bigger on the inside than the outside". I'm one of those who looks smaller than she is, and that really fucks with your perception of yourself. My mind tells me I occupy more space, the scale and my measurements tell me the same, but I am seen as thin by outside viewers. Science causes my body dysmorphia.
I just wish we didn't have the urge to break ourselves into our component parts in such a way so that we could find the right label.
RMJ -- Average would work for you, mathematically at least. It can be neutral from that perspective.ReplyDelete
Sizes don't mean anything. When design houses look for fit models, they are looking for someone with a specific ratio of body measurements--hips and bustline "should" be about even, and waist "should" be about 60-70% of those measurements. Even fit models for "plus size" lines follow those guidelines.
From a design standpoint, it makes sense to want a uniform set of measurements. It makes designing clothes and altering patterns very easy, which is important in the world of cheap & fast fashion, but not so great for the majority of people who do not have the same body ratios as the fit models. The fortunate few who share a body type with the house models look fabulous (my sister is one, and I refuse to shop with her). The majority of us just look "okay," but who can turn down a half-price pair of perfectly pre-washed jeans?
Folks, thanks for stopping by! I'm on my way out, but -ReplyDelete
I really really want to stay away from normalizing terms like average, medium, etc. to describe bodies. Just because I statistically am the average does not mean that I should position myself as such - even if 95% of woman in America were 5'10 180 lbs .7 w/h ratio, the 5% that aren't should be excluded from the definition of normal. Every body is different, and no one body should be seen as normal, average, or medium while another is freakish.
If this were a conversation where we're regularly using mathematical/statistical terms like standard deviation, average, and mean, then "average" would be appropriate. But we're in a feminist discourse, and medium, average, and normal carry the weight of a lot of alienation.
From the sounds of it, my body size is fairly similar to yours, but I have never thought of myself as having "thin privilege." Your post has really made me think about how I perceive my body. I've never owned my thin privilege because I've always been surrounded by dieting and suggestions that I diet and instances like the one you described from when you were 12, among other things. It has only been recently that I have started to feel more comfortable in my own body, but I am no where near accepting my thin privilege. But your post has encouraged me to think about this more.ReplyDelete
And I agree with you that we shouldn't use words like "normal" and "average" in describing bodies. Not only is there no such thing as a "normal" body, but it makes everyone who doesn't fit this unrealistic "norm" feel less than.
I have to disagree with the above sentiment that words like "average" shouldn't be used in feminist discourse. Math and feminism are not mutually exclusive. "Average" is not like "queer;" it has never been used as a slur or to give a name to an "other."ReplyDelete
Is there a huge problem encompassing the (lack of) visibility of diverse bodies, or even bodies that better represent the distribution of shapes and sizes in the world?
Is it problematic when the beauty ideal is perpetuated using the (often digitally-altered) images of women whose heights are in the 90th+ percentile, but weights are in the 10th?
Should we work on destigmatizing bodies outside of the beauty ideal?
Absolutely. But policing statistically accurate language is not how we're going to go about fixing any of that.
Last fall, I had a freshman student who was, by just about anybody's definition, fat. And she has a harelip. Yet she's very popular with the male students . A lot of people, including me, like her because she's smart and just an all-around sweet person.ReplyDelete
Near the end of the year, I bumped into her and we started to talk. She said that fellow students have treated her well, but some faculty members would look at her as if she came off a UFO.
I agree that average, medium, normal, etc. are bad ideas. Among the good reasons already given, they are also not accurate because I feel like our body types/shapes are less common than 'fat' or 'thin' bodies. I might be totally wrong.ReplyDelete
at 5'8", and a size 10, I never consider myself thin with my large bust and big hips, ass, and thighs. They are way too chunky to be remotely near 'thin.' For the majority of my life I have felt quite fat, and growing up in a particularly thin-obsessed community (orange county CA anyone?) have been encouraged to feel that way by my parents and to always be watching my weight.
Now that you mention it though, I like you, have also in ways benefited from thin privelidge in the way that I fit 'curvy' better than 'fat'. Though it's hard to call the obscene remarks I receive regularly on the street, a 'priviledge.'
Your post is very interesting, and I wish I had some more ideas to add to it...
It's kind of... disgusting, actually, that in this thread A. James is told off for using the word normal, which he or she never did, and the word average, which he or she did use, in a math sense. IE, it's a math term, and he or she. backed it up by talking about percentage and range.ReplyDelete
It's disgusting because the word harelip is also used in this thread. This term means "cleft lip" and sometimes "cleft palate." If we're going to police language that is definitionally appropriate, maybe we should use words that do not animalize people with well-defined and very common anatomical irregularities.
No one who cares about body issues in society would never call someone a whale because they were fat, would never call someone a cripple or a gimp because they had a limp or some impediment to their gait. It's just really upsetting to see that people are willing to use outdated terms that just read as cruel now that "cleft lip and palate" is the expected usage.
And A. James, again, never said "normal."
Noren, I'm standing by my reasons for not personally using the word "average". However, I can see where A is coming from, and I don't think it's a clear cut slur, or as problematic as normal.ReplyDelete
And yes, "harelip" is definitely offensive language that needs to be avoided. Thanks for pointing that out.
I have to say, it would be really interesting to see people routinely identifying themselves by height and weight, because I think that would break down a lot of misconceptions about weight, how it's carried, and what makes someone "fat." Alas, I don't think that would catch on, and I suppose it wouldn't eliminate the problem of what to call people who aren't thin and aren't fat.ReplyDelete
I'm actually going to argue with the use of "average" defined mathematically to describe not-fat-or-thin bodies (although I also find "average" problematic from a linguistic standpoint, like you, RMJ). Mathematically speaking, a size 14 may be "average," but many people consider that size to be "fat." So that makes "average" a pretty poor term to use to describe not-thin-or-fat people.
- thedrymockAugust 13, 2009 at 2:24 AM
I think "inbetweenie" (which Faye already mentioned) is the term I've seen that seems to work best...ReplyDelete
I definitely think you're right, RMJ, that this not-thin-and-not-fat space is a tricky one, and it also happens to be (predictably) in this space that the battle is being fought over what kind of bodies are fit to be displayed... as with Christina Hendricks, who gets to be an Officially Sexy Lady, but only if her size is constantly commented on just so we all remember that she's a rare exception to the rule of Any Fat On A Lady Is Gross.
I know "average" is a loaded term in this thread (and actually "mean" is probably a more relevant concept) but I do think it's important to talk about where the top of the bell curve lies in terms of the size of women's bodies, and we need some language in which to do that. As far as I can tell, the average/mean (the places I found that mention this are pretty sloppy about terminology) size for American women is somewhere around 14, which is right there in that inbetweenie space. Which isn't accidental. I don't have a really well-thought-out thing to say about this, but I do think it's really interesting that it seems like there are probably many more women (myself included) who fall into that inbetweenie space -- where they both benefit from and are denied thin privilege to some extent -- than women who are either clearly "thin" or clearly "fat" (oy, I feel like I should be putting ALL of those size-words in quotation marks ALL the time because there is so much cultural noise around all of them). And it's worth questioning who benefits from having so many women perpetually in that destabilized space, where they can be plausibly told that if they just join Weight Watchers they can be "thin" and that "thin" is what they should want to be, and if they aren't already "thin" then it's their fault because they're bad people.
You're right that normal carries a weight of alienation, but the solution isn't pretending that everyone's normal, but destigmatising abnormal/unusual/whatever. Just as we can't pretend no one is fat, and instead have to destigmatise "fat" as an adjective, so can't we pretend everyone is normal, and must destigmatise "abnormal" for progress.
I'm two standard deviations above the norm in height, and probably about the same in mass. My size is abnormal, and no amount of sophistry is going to fix that. (I realise that's not much of an admission, as being tall is generally a plus for how you're judged. Nonetheless.) All that's left is to destigmatise abnormal.
A really good way to prevent layman confusion over mathematical terminology that is used in a problematic way in non scientific areas is to denote context with a qualifier.ReplyDelete
So when discussing a statistical norm or average, you can literally say "statistical norm" or "statistical average" (or say "stats average" like I do. XD)
In situations where there's a risk of problematic usage (and that's basically anywhere where you don't have a bunch of scientists talking the terms), defining context is usually a good idea.
EXCELLENT point, DS.ReplyDelete
Yeah -- as thedrymock and others point out, the point I was trying to make before in my parentheses was that the statistical average of human bodies IS considered fat, not that it was normal. Sorry if that got lost in the terminology.ReplyDelete
Anyway, I think there are a TON of good points coming up here.
To Noren, thanks for calling out other problematic word usage. I hadn't noticed it but I agree: that's a really outdated term.
And I hadn't actually considered the animalistic implications similar to "whale", as much as the outdated, unprofessional terminology of it, so even having not been the one using the word I've learned something here.
I think correcting offensive word usage is always appropriate in threads -- I also think, at times, discussion about intent is. So maybe "disgusting" is the wrong word: we can all stand to be more comprehensive with calling each other on things, discussion, and learning how to be better people.
Okay, I just found your blog from a Google search on "Thin Privilege".ReplyDelete
As someone who's been overweight most of my life, I don't buy the idea of "thin privilege". Maybe for the people who can eat all day long and still be skinny, but not me. I busted my ass for a year, dieting hard and training hard, and I'm in great shape because of it. And yes, people (especially women) treat me very differently because of it. Does it suck that people weren't so nice to me before? Yes.
However, my main issue with this is that we (the royal we) are ultimately responsible for our weight, health, and self-esteem. Not anyone else. If being so overweight and everything that comes along with it is so bad, you can change that by dieting and exercising. No it sure as hell isn't easy, and unfortunately people feel as if it should be.
And yes I am aware that I have a very arrogantly-titled blog, and that you possibly might me off as a total douchebag because of it. But at least hear me out.
This is to GoodLookingBastard -ReplyDelete
the thin privilege that is being referred to is exactly the reason you WANT to be thinner. People treat you differently; you get to walk through life without being judged by statements like this one,
If being so overweight and everything that comes along with it is so bad, you can change that by dieting and exercising
which is patently untrue, especially for women.
It's true, "busting your ass" for a year will make you lose weight, but for many people, diet and exercise can provide a body change for a while, but for a significant portion of the population, they will always trend back towards their average weight, their plateau. Even if they're eating healthy, moderate diets, many people are just heavy, just like those people you mention that can eat and eat and never gain a pound.
For women, this is enhanced because it is not seen as "feminine", particularly, to replace fat with muscle. For guys, getting leaner is a plus, but so is bulking up: they are admired for abs and biceps. For women, simply working out will not, in many cases, giving them the figure they want when they look at models and sex objects. It will certainly reduce their bust size, often make them gain weight (as muscle is heavier than fat) - which can be ego-damaging to people brought up on the idea that the scale is what matters - and, many times be an unsatisfying and unproductive path to tread.
Additionally, as long as one's health - here I'm talking about cardiac health, blood pressure, liver function, etc etc etc - is meeting benchmarks, it doesn't MATTER whether you're fat or thin. Why should someone look at you differently on the street or make false assumptions about your eating habits?
For example, I am a pescatarian. Most of my fat intake is composed of "good" fats like avocado, fish, etc; I do snack on junk food but limit it; I use whole wheat bread when possible. This diet has changed a bit lately because I'm BROKE and it's hard to buy anything healthy when you're poor - white, processed flour is what you have available - which is another tangent unconsidered by many people, the fact that the poor have no options but unhealthy food - but for most of my life I've eaten reasonably portioned meals, moderate on carbs, high on vegetables, like sushi, etc. I walk ~three miles a day with no problem, and enjoy exercise regularly.
We are responsible for our own health. That's true. That simply doesn't have to correlate with THINNESS.
For that matter, it isn't particularly socially acceptable to treat people who have been diagnosed with, for example, renal failure or lung cancer as disgusting and at fault for their problems. If I saw a man with a trach or bald from chemotherapy and went on a comment spree about how he should stop going out in public like that and he should have known better and controlled himself, I'd be flamed to death! But in some cases things like drinking and smoking, which ARE entirely under one's control, are partly or entirely to blame for these illnesses.
So I don't buy the health angle, either.
Fat people are simply being punished for an aesthetic which is not in style.
You, by insisting that you should be respected for having busted your ass, ARE respected more now that you're thin, and that everyone could have this respect if they just tried hard enough, are proving it.
Knockout, Faye. Thank you for sparing me the trouble of refuting it myself.ReplyDelete
Now that that has been directly addressed, comments like "Well, why don't you lose some weight, fatty fat fat? Or are you too lazy?" or "don't you realize fat is unhealthy?" will be deleted - unless it goes up while I'm sleeping and someone chooses to write an applause worthy takedown, as Faye has.
Faye, thank you for your response. And no, I didn't come here to belittle anyone because of their weight. I'm only here to get a better understanding of this topic, and engage in some intelligent (and RESPECTFUL) discussion.ReplyDelete
Okay, I just read a little more into it, and some of the things regarding "thin privilege" I can understand would piss you off. Such as not getting a job and being discriminated at work due to things that have no effect on your ability to perform on the job. Ideally yes, your ability to earn a living should be based SOLELY on your ability to perform, and should have NOTHING to do with your looks. I totally agree with that.
But aside from that, regarding the other stuff, I don't agree with it. Like I said, we are responsible for how we feel about ourselves. It's not society's job to make us feel good about who we are. If we're overweight and not happy about it, we have options. We can either lose body fat and get in better shape, or we can be more accepting of our weight. I'm obviously biased towards weight loss, but to each his own. There are people who are overweight and are very happy with their bodies, despite the fact that society doesn't deem that to be the ideal. Do they suffer from thin privilege too?
Either way, you can't simply flip a switch and be *happy* with who you are. Just like you can't flip a switch and be in great physical shape. It takes hard work and dedication. It's a personal issue that every one of us has to deal with; it's not something we can push on someone else.
And no, I'm not thin and I don't consider myself thin. Thin is not always healthy, and it's not always aesthetically pleasing. I consider myself to be fit and athletic. And that IS healthy.
As to your point that women aren't supposed to gain muscle, I say that's completely wrong. Due to horrendous nutrition and health education, people have very wrong ideas about fitness. Yes, muscle weighs more than fat, but it's also more DENSE than fat. Meaning that it takes up less space in your body. You'll be much more fit and healthier if you gained 20 lbs of muscle than if you gained 20 lbs of fat. And a woman's body, sans a few exceptions such as the super-athletic, isn't capable of putting on huge muscle mass. So even if you lifted all day and drank 50 protein shakes all day, you'd never look like the Incredible Hulk. Your bodies lack the massive amounts of testosterone for that. The same goes for the majority of men, hence the widespread use of steroids. Ask any decent personal trainer and they'll tell you the same, a woman would benefit just as much as a man from losing fat and gaining muscle (even as little as 5-10 lbs). And unlike a man, you're not going to look bigger and bulkier because your body isn't designed to be that way. You'll be healthier and stronger too, in addition to being thinner. Is it easy? Absolutely not. But it's very doable, with the right amount of hard work and knowledge.
Additionally, as long as one's health - here I'm talking about cardiac health, blood pressure, liver function, etc etc etc - is meeting benchmarks, it doesn't MATTER whether you're fat or thin. Why should someone look at you differently on the street or make false assumptions about your eating habits?
I agree that people shouldn't look at you different because of your weight, and that body fat isn't the main factor in determining health. But it does matter, as there are strong correlations between body fat and cardiac health, blood pressure, as well as increased risk for diabetes and cardiovascular disease. So for anyone concerned about those things who is overweight, it's common sense that lowering your body fat is the smart thing to do.
That's about all I have to say about it.
Fair enough, GLB. :) Respectfully, then:ReplyDelete
If we're overweight and not happy about it, we have options.
This is true. And if the choice to lose weight is the one that's the best for you - we shouldn't judge.
And I admit, I'm guilty of doing that. I see someone go "I'm so glad my dieting/gastric surgery/working out/whatever paid off!" and I think, "why couldn't she just accept herself?" instead of "I'm glad she's happy."
However, I think the problem is, the stigma against fat is so prevalent that society plays a large part in defining our self-worth. Other media messages, such as that one isn't a complete person without a partner, or that your life isn't worth living without the latest trends, can play into this -- if your body type isn't seen as conventionally pretty, and you don't fit the clothes at most stores, you're going to feel bad or unworthy. Feeling unhappy doesn't come from a vacuum, or from hormones emitted from fat cells.
There are people who are overweight and are very happy with their bodies...Do they suffer from thin privilege too?
They do. And here's where we get into society's standards even more. For example, let's talk about the standard sizes carried in (women's) clothes stores. 2-12? 0-10? Let's not even discuss places that only carry sample sizes. Shoe stores don't carry wides or extra wides very often and they CERTAINLY don't carry wide or extra-wide -calf boots.
Sizist attitudes can also be seen in the way fat people are portrayed and perceived, the standard sizes of seats, airplane ticket policies, seatbelts, space between restaurant booths and tables, etc.
Similarly to being right handed, thin people can do things without thought that fat people can't, because of manufacturers enforcing a certain standard which emphasizes the "otherness" of those who don't meet it.
You'll be much more fit and healthier if you gained 20 lbs of muscle than if you gained 20 lbs of fat.
Here I want to clarify.
Because of thin privilege, because of the way the media emphasizes thinness to the point of photoshopping even thin women, because of the high standards we set - the number on the scale becomes very important. That's what I'm trying to say: I know it's healthy to gain muscle. But I literally had a friend - not the only one - complain to me in high school that her weight training class was making her gain weight. She was beautiful and healthy. But in her mind, no matter why her weight increased, it was negative.
But it does matter, as there are strong correlations between body fat and cardiac health [etc].
There are sometimes correlations. However: correlation and causation are very different things, and the reason for this correlation hasn't been identified. Is it really that fat is just bad? Is it that there's a genetic link between the two and therefore the fat is a symptom, rather than a cause? Who knows?
No one here is ADVOCATING obesity. And I totally lobby for better diets. Cutting things like HFCS and simple starches out except for special occasions. Red meat is something to cut back on and maybe replace with fish, chicken, etc. No one wants high blood sugar or veins filled with plaque.
But this is not a no-fat diet plan: Iceberg is worthless, replace it with mixed greens, get some avocado and sunflower seeds, maybe some beets and hummus to top off a salad that'll give you vitamins, iron, and a serotonin boost. (Mmm, salad.)
It's entirely possible to be healthy, even without losing a lot of weight.
The thing is, yes. You may and probably will lose incidental weight doing these things. But starting out with the goal of losing weight is the wrong place to start in the aim to get healthy.


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|One of the most exciting new features in WebSphere CloudBurst 2.0 is the new support for multi-image patterns. This feature, demonstrated here, allows you to build patterns that contain multiple different versions of the same product (i.e. a mixed WebSphere cell) or build patterns that contain multiple different products (i.e. WebSphere Application Server and DB2). Prior to 2.0, you could only achieve mixed cells or multi-product deployments by using multiple patterns and integrating them as part of the deployment process. Now you can simply capture them all in a single pattern. You can then deploy that single pattern to stand up your heterogeneous application environment.
The demo I mentioned above shows constructing multi-image patterns using the pattern editor GUI. However, this can also be done using the CLI. The CLI underwent some minor changes with respect to how you access virtual image parts to build patterns, and as a result you see a more coherent API hierarchy. Prior to 2.0, you access image parts directly from the provided 'cloudburst' module:
cloudburst.parts['Deployment manager'][0]
However, in 2.0, the parts are accessed directly from a virtual image object:
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|With those changes in mind, I went about building a clustered WebSphere Application Server cell that included a DB2 database server. I ended up with the following script:
|Looking in my WebSphere CloudBurst console, I see the resulting pattern:
|Looking back on this, I cannot help but chuckle. I built an environment containing a clustered WebSphere Application Server cell along with a DB2 database, and I integrated the two components via a data source in 9 lines of script! Not bad, not bad at all.
|-- Dustin Amrhein
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Green Bay Sweeps UIC 7-0 in Home Finale
By: Ryan Hartwig (@GBHartwig)
GREEN BAY, Wis. (GreenBayPhoenix.com) – The Green Bay men's tennis team (12-7, 2-0 HL) wrapped up the home portion of its 2014 schedule on Sunday morning with a 7-0 victory over UIC (3-8, 0-3 HL) at Western Racquet and Fitness Club. With the win, the Phoenix improved to a perfect 7-0 on its home court this season.
"We're very happy with the outcome today and happy to be undefeated at home and in conference play," Green Bay head coach Mark Thomas said. "I like the way our guys are playing and competing – especially today, when we were pushed in a number of matches and were still able to pull out victories in all of them."
Green Bay started the day with wins at No. 1 and No. 3 doubles to secure the doubles point, and then won each of the six singles battles to earn the sweep.
"After getting the doubles point, the goal was to come out strong in singles and try to get a 7-0 result," Thomas said. "This was really the first time UIC has played with their full line-up this year, so we knew it could be a very competitive match, which it was. Give UIC credit, they played well and really challenged us today."
The Phoenix grabbed convincing wins at the No. 1 and No. 3 doubles spots to give the hosts the 1-0 lead. Sophomores Rowan Isaaks (London, England) and Leopold Gomez Islinger (Weiden, Germany) teamed up for an 8-1 rout of Eric Pontow and Nate Campanile at No. 3 before Michael Tenzer (Neuried, Germany) and Howard Scott (Exeter, England) closed out their 8-2 win against Carl Hedstrom and Maurizio Feoli at the top spot.
Scott was the first to record a win in singles action, defeating UIC's Isaac Lloveras 6-3, 6-1 at No. 3. Isaaks made it 3-0 Phoenix with a 6-4, 6-3 win over Chris Cole at No. 5, and Tenzer clinched the win with his 7-6, 6-1 victory against Alexander Raa at No. 1.
After dropping his first set 6-3, sophomore Joey Leto (Downers Grove, Ill.) came from behind to defeat Hedstrom 3-6, 6-1, 6-4 at the No. 4 spot. Junior Michael Tebon (Excelsior, Minn.) also picked up a three-set win on Sunday, knocking off Feoli 6-3, 3-6, 7-5 in an intense battle at No. 6.
Green Bay will play its final four regular season contests away from home, starting with trips to Cleveland State (Saturday) and Youngstown State (Sunday) next weekend.
Green Bay 7, UIC 0
No. 1 – Michael Tenzer/Howard Scott (GB) def. Carl Hedstrom/Maurizio Feoli (UIC) 8-2
No. 2 – Michael Tebon/Joey Leto (GB) vs. Alexander Raa/Isaac Lloveras (UIC) unfinished
No. 3 – Rowan Isaaks/Leopold Gomez Islinger (GB) def. Eric Pontow/Nate Campanile (UIC) 8-1
No. 1 – Michael Tenzer (GB) def. Alexander Raa (UIC) 7-6, 6-1
No. 2 – Leopold Gomez Islinger (GB) def. Alan Reifer (UIC) 6-2, 7-6
No. 3 – Howard Scott (GB) def. Isaac Lloveras (UIC) 6-3, 6-1
No. 4 – Joey Leto (GB) def. Carl Hedstrom (UIC) 3-6, 6-1, 6-4
No. 5 – Rowan Isaaks (GB) def. Chris Cole (UIC) 6-4, 6-3
No. 6 – Michael Tebon (GB) def. Maurizio Feoli (UIC) 6-3, 3-6, 7-5
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This University of Nottingham website has lots to interest those with ancestors from the area. There are online exhibitions, I was particularly interested in one on The Druce Case as I have ancestors by the name of Druce. Also there are Podcasts and one of those caught my eye. "Laxton:Farming in an open field village". The podcasts are in fact videos and there are secreal on offer.
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Green Bay's Season Comes to an End Friday at Milwaukee
MILWAUKEE, Wis. (GreenBayPhoenix.com) - The Green Bay women's soccer team's 2011 season came to an end Friday night as the Phoenix suffered a 7-0 loss to No. 15 Milwaukee (16-2-0, 8-0-0) at Engelmann Stadium. Green Bay finishes the year with a 3-11-4 record and a 1-5-2 mark in Horizon League play.
The Phoenix trailed just 1-0 after 64 minutes, but Milwaukee rattled off six goals in the final 26 minutes to put the game away. Sarah Hagen tallied three goals to lead the Panthers, scoring in the 11th, 66th, and 68th minutes.
Milwaukee outshot Green Bay 27-4 in the contest and finished with a 17-1 advantage in shots on goal. Hagen led all players with six shots
Friday marked the final match in the careers of Phoenix seniors Maddie Drusch (Appleton, Wis.) and Corey Arno (Winneconne, Wis.). Drusch finishes as the school's all-time leader in goals-against average (1.20) and saves (386), and is second in shutouts with 16. Arno started every match (68) over the last four seasons, scoring five goals and registering a pair of assists.
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Arsenal's Ignasi Miquel has won the European Under-19 Championships with Spain.
The 19-year-old defender was ever-present throughout the tournament in Romania as Spain claimed a fifth European Under-19 crown.
Paco Alcacer scored twice in the second half of extra-time as Gines Melendez's side came from behind on two occasions to overcome the Czech Republic in Monday's Final.
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You are invited to a Day Mixer filled networking and socilalizing to benefit The Girl Wonder Project. An emerging organization dedicated to the success of young women in Chicago.
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Cleveland Police discuss deadly chase review
(Cleveland) - An internal Cleveland review shows some officers and supervisors broke police departmental policies while participating in a chase that ended with 13 officers firing 137 rounds and killing two unarmed people.
Mayor Frank Jackson says disciplinary action will be up to Chief Michael McGrath.
The review released Wednesday by city officials says most officers followed departmental rules.
About one-third of the force on duty, or 98 Cleveland officers and 15 supervisors, had a role in the Nov. 29 chase.
It began with a report of gunfire outside police headquarters and ended in a barrage of gunfire that killed 43-year-old driver Timothy Russell and 30-year-old passenger Malissa Williams. Both had cocaine in their systems.
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This complete reflector telescope set includes our clever and portable large-aperture Orion SkyQuest XX14i Intelliscope Truss Tube Dobsonian, a specially designed Light Shroud for the truss telescope tube, and a custom-fitted Case Set to hold and transport everything safely. It's got everything you need for big-aperture telescope adventures on-the-go!
SkyQuest XX14i IntelliScope Truss Tube Dobsonian
The Orion XX14i IntelliScope Dobsonian telescope turns the night sky into an endless playground of deep-space surprises for intermediate and advanced observing enthusiasts. The space-penetrating 14" (356mm) parabolic primary mirror features enhanced reflectivity (94%) aluminum coatings to deliver an astounding amount of light to the eye. What do 14" optics buy you in the way of extra light gathering power compared to 12" and 10" optics? Plenty! The XX14i pulls in 36% more light than a 12" and 96% more than 10" optics, allowing you to resolve significantly fainter objects and more subtle details.
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Assembled weight (including accessories): 115 lbs. Assembled optical tube, 61"L x 16.5"W, 69.25 lbs. Bottom tube section, 21.5"L x 16.5"W, 52.9 lbs; top tube section, 8.5"L x 16.5"W, 9.4 lbs. Truss poles (8), 30.5"L x 1" W. Total weight of 4 truss pole pairs and captive assembly knobs: 6.95 lbs. Assembled Base, 28.5" W x 27" H, 45.4 lbs.
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For the best performance from any truss Dobsonian, a light shroud is a must. This one, custom designed for the SkyQuest XX14i telescope, is made of a stretchy nylon blend material that fits like a glove over the truss poles of the XX14i, fastening with thick elastic bands on both ends. The water-resistant, opaque black fabric blocks stray light from entering the optical path, thus improving image contrast. It's also breathable, which minimizes unwanted vibration of the scope in breezy conditions. Use of the shroud will lessen the accumulation of dust and dirt on the telescope mirrors during use, and will help prevent dew from forming on them. Made in the U.S.A.
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Even after a couple of days tinkering with my Ubuntu/Wine install to get Steam set up properly, it required more tinkering to get Counterstrike running. And even more tinkering to get Diablo 2 running. And even more tinke.. You know what? I think you get the picture. Suffice to say that I didn't like it.
If you want to play games on a budget computer, use Win XP on some bargain bin parts, and "acquire" some previous generation games like Far Cry, Morrowind, Half Life, Unreal Tournament 2k4, etc, etc. You will thank yourself later.
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Personally, I would never recommend putting Linux on a machine you intend to be a gaming rig. You will almost always have issues playing games through any sort of emulation like Wine, however Valve has been a huge supporter of getting games to Linux, and Steam runs in Linux. The other thing to consider is hardware support. A lot of times you will find that cutting edge gaming video cards don't always work so well in Linux.
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I may have to post pone this project for a bit unfortunately. My mind has been getting destroyed by my AP classes.
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Aside from that, Ubuntu is nice if all you do is serf the web and use open source software.Other than that it is a pain in the rear if you don't have the time to tinker with the settings.
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Discussion in 'March 2012' started by roscoe36, Mar 24, 2012.
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The Knicks seem to be winnin.... The Piston playoff chances are thinnin.... Means Rascoe ain't doin much grinnin......... Knicks by 11............
Knicks roll to a 18-6 run after the Pistons tied the game with 5 and half minutes left in the first half . Pistons were getting outhustled and frustrated and the hope of keeping the slow pace game got away from them. Lets hope they can regroup in the second half and get a roadie W tonight.
You know what happens when you trot out a lineup of Ben Wallace, Walker Russell, Austin Daye, Jonas Jerebko and Damien Wilkins in the fourth quarter? Knicks just clowning them now. So sick of losing to such a mediocre squad like this. Why is Brandon back in? What's the point? I know your subs suck, but good lord Frank. wtf? CV sighting. I'm out. Only so much showboating I can take.
I am really getting tired of the Ben Wallace second half. Frank has fallen in love with this Tanking scenario. I wonder if anyone has told him that This is Bens last year and he is supposed to be playing bench minutes to sub our second year rising star? Ya know, the guy we are trying to get experience and court time for. GM was doing real well earlier this season when he was playing the majority of the games, then Frank decided to give Ben the pt in the second half s apparently. Now Gregs game has begun to falter and he appears to have lost confidence in himself. Im really beginning to wonder if Frank has any idea how to use substitutions in a game?
That second qtr run by the Knicks sealed the deal as the Pistons could never get any closer than 7 after that. The Knicks closed out every quarter on a run and the fourth the Knicks garbage quad took every advantage of the scrubs we had in there stepping in to steal passes at will and outhustling the Pistons on literally every rebound. At one point an offensive rebound was taken from Piston MIA candidate Charlie V three straight times. OCV finally got on the board offensively this season with three FT's and layup. He airballed two other shots and was 1-6 from the field, but he did get a meaningless block. (Oh by the way he did outscore Max...5 to 4) How come every time the Pistons play in garbage time, our scrubs make the other teams scrubs look like starters Its obvious we need some bigs in the paint who can actually score other than GM....the Knicks outscored the Pistons in the paint 52-30 and we were out rebounded by almost the same number, 54-30. Tyson and Amar'e scored 32 pts and grabbed 25 boards between them. Oh yeah Pistons got 20pts from their starting front court Also the past couple of games with Stuckey out we can barely hit 80 points. How many games is he expected to be out? Until we secure a top 5 lottery position?
Stuckeys absence is really being felt. Im sure there are a few members here that it must pain them to aknowledge that. We really miss his attacking opposing bigs and getting to the line. BK attacks but he doesnt get the whisatles and BG shys away from contact. I would like to see Daye get some minutes with our starters minus Tay. He needs a kick out to get that 3 pt shot going. we are not using our offensive weapons well at all. way too much create your own shot going on and that spells huge loss.
Charlie V is a warrior!!! I think it shows what kind of integrity this kid has to go out there on 2 bum wheels. This was a pretty boring contest. This definitely wasn't one of Ben's better games, but is seems a bit harsh to hold this against him given the contributions he's made lately. He was very flat footed on the boards. I wonder if Monroe's dip in play does have something to do with Stuckey being out. A lot of his double double's has come in a garbage man type fashion. Monroe should slow down just a bit on his moves. I think he obsesses somewhat with being blocked. It seems like he gets the majority of those back. I feel like Will "I' Know the Long Way to the NBA too" Bynum took a dive tonight so that Walker Russell III could play in front of his dad. Loved the play right after the Knicks scored off the double alley oop when the Pistons threw the ball upcourt to a plodding Austin Daye(!) who had Charlie V and the blocking sled it looked like he was dragging filling the wing. I think that one ended with a Chuckles air ball. I want the Knicks to be good for some reason. I hope they can keep this up. I understand the circumstances that led to Daye and Garbage playing recently, but I don't like it. I do not think it is some Kuester/Curry like about face, but I think bar none the best move Frank has made this year is awarding PT based on your defensive willingness. * * Except for Ben Gordon who fills the every team has an exception policy
Securing a top pick is what counts. New Jersey is tanking big time--hard to match that. Sacramento is on the Piston's heels. Right now, the thing to do is play Daye, CV and whoever and give each player one final look. Things will start to turn around next year with Knight and Monroe having more experience and another top pick joining the team. I agree that Ben Wallace should not be playing much--no point to it. And Tay should not be shooting all that much. The coach has figured out how to use Gordon. That is an accomplishment. Gordon at least has some value now. I would keep Stuckey on the bench for a while and not rush him back.
Charlie just cut down his $ to point ratio from infinite to 1,000,000:1. Gores has to be happy with the increased efficiency of that contract. Walker Russell was pretty rough- poor guy just needs a shot (jump shot that is). He tried to push the ball up the court, but the Knicks have actually been really good on D recently (best in the NBA since Woodson took over I believe). Russell just faced a wall of tall defenders every time. I was surprised when I looked at the box score that we only had 16 turnovers. It felt like 100. Not much to complain about after this. We got massacred by a team that was not playing well. Chandler with 15 and 17 in less than 30 minutes. Knight with 2 assists, 6 turnovers, and got blocked twice. Ben Wallace was -20 in 19 minutes. The highlight of the game was Maxiell's great put back jam. With Stuckey, we might have had a fighting change, given the sloppiness of the Knicks.
Missed the game, thanks for the recaps. We tank, we know. Talking about Tanking, I watched Sacramento @ Golden State tonight and that last play from Isaiah Thomas left me thinking if the tanking can go that far..
It's great to see that Max is back to being a scrub again and helping to rack up losses. With a bunch of teams at 16-17 wins I hope Stuckey gets a couple of more games off to heal.
NJ have little reason to tank, they traded their 1st round pick in the deal for Crash.
On the contrary, they're probably going to want to tank more than anyone. Their pick is top 3 protected; they'll want to increase their odds of picking top 3 as much as possible. It was still a pretty shortsighted, brain dead deal though.
I see, didn't know it was protected. Cleveland 17-28 Sacramento 17-31 Detroit 16-32 Toronto 16-33 NJ 16-34 NO 12-36 Washington 11-36 Charlotte 7-39 This is tight! Any single win could be a devastating blow longterm.
Had there's no Linsanity, there wouldn't be this game lived on TV over here and it could has been the only Pistons game this season I can watch, live or replay. Wifey was liked "ow" "ah" all the time with every Lin's move whose play to-day was C+ at best as wifey knew nothing about basket ball except the ball is round and orange, and I was feeling sad that my beloved Pistons' play had reduced so and was shocked that BW's hair had turned salt and pepper in front of my eyes. Tay, finally I understand why everybody said that he's no more fit to this team, yeah it's so true.
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ITHACA, N.Y. – No. 7 Cornell raced out to an 11-0 lead and thoroughly controlled every aspect of the game in a 19-3 victory over No. 11 Colgate on Saturday afternoon at Schoellkopf Field. It was the most lopsided victory for the Big Red since Cornell defeated Princeton, 21-5, during the 1988 season. The Big Red improved to 3-0, while the Raiders fell to 3-1.
The hyped matchup between attackmen Cornell's Rob Pannell and Colgate's Peter Baum never materialized, as the Big Red scored two goals before the Raiders ever got the ball in their offensive zone. Pannell ended the day with two goals and five assists, while Baum was held to one assist and was held scoreless for the first time in 21 games dating back to late in the 2011 season.
All-America defenseman Jason Noble shut down Baum throughout, as the reigning Tewaaraton winner attempted just three shots, none of which were on goal. Noble ended the day with three caused turnovers and two ground ball wins. Even when Colgate did get a shot on goal, it was eaten up by senior goalkeeper AJ Fiore, who made 15 saves and surrendered just two goals in more than 54 minutes of action.
Pannell's seven-point day spearheaded the attack, which saw 12 different players register a point. Steve Mock scored five times, while Max Van Bourgondien (three goals, assist) and Connor Buczek (two goals, two assists) each had four points. Mike O'Neil (two goals, one assist) and Dan Lintner (one goal, one assist) also had multi-point games. The Big Red held a decisive 45-31 shot advantage and scored on 3-of-5 man-up opportunities.
Cornell won 16-of-25 face-offs thanks in large part due to the work of Doug Tesoriero (11-of-19). Matt Schattner (3-of-4) and Mike O'Neil (2-of-2) also had success at the X.
Not much went right for the Raiders on this day, as four different players had one point each. Bobby Lawrence led the defense with seven caused turnovers and added seven ground balls. Robert Grabher won eight face-offs and scooped up eight ground balls.
Despite slippery conditions and snow falling throughout the early part of the game, the goals came fast and furiously for Cornell in the first half, with Pannell having a hand in five of the eight tallies registered during the period. First, he found Buczek cutting to the goal to get the Big Red on the board at the 13:24 mark, the Buczek tallied an unassited goal less than one minute later. John Edmonds was the beneficiary of an outstanding Pannell pass, making it 3-0, at the 7:45 mark, before Mock, O'Neil and Pannell scored three goals in a span of 54 seconds to give Cornell a 6-0 lead.
With less than a minute to play in the first quarter, John Hogan scored off a pass from Pannell and Mock converted a pass from Buczek to make it 8-0 at the break.
Cornell's midfield accounted for the first three goals of the second period, with Max Van Bourgondien registering an unassisted goal before assisting on a tally by O'Neil at the 10:22 mark. Just under three minutes later, O'Neil returned the favor, assisting on a Van Bourgondien score.
The Raiders closed the second period and opened the third with back-to-back goals, as Braddish registered an unassisted tally, before Clarkson scored off a pass from Baum to make it 11-2 with 14:17 remaining in the third period.
That was as good as it would get for the visitors.
Cornell registered the next six goals, including its first two man-up goals of the contest, with a pari of tallies from Mock, one from Lintner, one from Van Bourgondien and one from Pannell. During that run, Schattner earned his first collegiate assist, while Donovan and Buczek registered helpers.
Walsh scored Colgate's final goal on the only shot faced by Brennan Donville, who he beat with a beautiful shot over the goalie's hip, and the Big Red scored the final two goals of the game to account for the 19-3 victory.