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In my area, there are some inexpensive dinghy sailing clubs that would get you some time on the water.
At the bigger clubs, there are race nights - a 6-pack, a pfd and some sailing gloves are usually all that you need to get picked up as a crew member. I spent a year or so fretting about the oddness of randomly showing up at the dock, but now that I'm in the racing community, I've seen how some skippers are in dire need of crew on a consistent basis - they don't necessarily need experienced hands. Inquiring at the front desk of these clubs would be good, or just stopping someone as they leave the dock will get you some intel.
You can do a lot of sailing for free in your local area before needing to buy a boat. Becoming a regular crew on a racing boat and offering to help with maintenance etc will also get you some good experience. It will also probably lead you to some good potential buys as some of the sailors you see who maintain their boats lovingly decide to sell and move up etc.
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Hi Mike,
You likely can't PM me yet as you don't have the requisite number of posts.
However, yes, I'm in Toronto. The boat is presently in Port Credit but I've been thinking of finishing off the year downtown.
Working 9-5 isn't a problem since I'm not exactly on a schedule. Having said that, I may be picking up some work that requires travel so my schedule may (or may not) be booked for September.
I'll PM you my contact info.
Jordon- Can't send you a PM- getting an error message.
Thanks for your response. are you in Toronto? If you are willing, I would definitely take you up on your gracious offer if the timing could work. Even if there wasn't time to get out on the water, just seeing your set-up and picking your brain would be great if you are willing.
I work 9-5 so going out for a day sail wouldn't work at the moment, but I could be available in the evenings if that could work for you- let me know.
While I did not specifically say 'give me advice' please do- I am certainly wanting and open to it.
In terms of the size of boat- no, I am not totally convinced I need 34-38', I am just leaning that way based on the research I have been doing so far. I have from now until spring (assuming my plans don't change) to figure all that out. While I recognize the learning curve will be steep and not without it's challenges, I believe with appropriate planning I will manage through it.
Lots of stuff to do between now and spring, that's for sure. Glad I found this site- seems to be a great community with tons of great info!
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How much sailing experience is it worth having before buying your own boat? I have zero at the moment. How much time did you spend on another's boat before you made the plunge and bought your first?
From my perspective, I don't think you need 20 years in the Navy followed by another 10 crewing on other people's boats, but I do advocate at a minimum taking a boating safety class before purchasing a first boat.
Taking the right class gives you the opportunity to ask questions face to face of experienced boaters, get a feel for the responsibility you will incur as a boat owner, and also the cost of things.
I think there are many on this list who have been on the water long enough to see what knuckleheaded things people with more hubris than common sense and experience do that puts everyone around them as well as themselves at risk. I know I kind of see this forum as an opportunity to perhaps head off some potential safety mishaps that a first time boater may have. People screw up. I certainly have. But at least I had the training to realize immediately that I made a boneheaded move and not to do it again (hopefully). If you don't know you did anything wrong, you're bound to repeat the same mistake.
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What do you think- I am bat **** crazy?
You didn't ask for advice in your post, but I would say my advice to the OP may still apply. If you don't have the sailing experience, how do you know that 34'-36' is the right size for you? Perhaps too big? Perhaps too small? Perhaps too
For what it's worth, I'm around the next little while and will be doing some sailing. Message me privately if you have some day-time available and we can go out for a sail. Also, if you want to gain some experience, you should join a club and try out lots of different types of boats. The National Yacht Club has programs for cruising & racing, 4 nights per week - that's 4 different boats, 4 different crews you COULD have been gaining experience on all summer long... Check their site for costs.
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I guess I worry about getting in over my head, but your advice seems sound. I'm thinking two months taking lessons here in the harbor and sailing with friends to get some one-on-one instruction is great, but once I've done that and some reading...all that's really left to do is dive in and get a boat of my own, no? Flawed thinking?
Either way DO NOT STOP pursuing this. Let us know how it all turns out for you!
|MJS, people make choices that have huge impacts on their lives all the time. Learning to sail and care for a large sailboat is a long and steep learning curve. You will be on the steep part for a long time. If you are up for it, I see nothing wrong.
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The Eucalyptus Collection can be found above the Kitchen Garden but there are also many specimens planted throughout the gardens.
Locally known as Scilly Cabbages, succulent Canary Island aeoniums have made themselves at home in the gardens.
The Monterey cypress is a vital part of the gardens' shelterbelt as well as being a beautiful tree.
The Shell House was designed and decorated by Lucy Dorrien Smith in 1997.
The Agave Fountain was created by Cornish artist Tom Leaper in 1996.
The Kitchen Garden supplies the Dorrien Smith family with fruit, vegetables and cut-flowers – there's bees and chickens too!
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No other garden in Britain can boast such a variety of beautiful South African proteas on display.
Aloes are not only useful for their healing properties – they are beautiful too!
The exotic puyas may be spikey leaved but they have extraordinary flowers in the spring.
The Canary Island echiums put up tall spires of purple blue flowers and seed themselves throughout the gardens.
Agathis australis from New Zealand.
One of the most iconic trees in the garden with its regular foliage.
The Silver Tree from South Africa gets its shimmer from the hundreds of tiny hairs that cover its leaves.
The Canary Island palms on the Middle Terrace are the tallest in the British Isles.
Some agaves produce a flowering stem nearly 10m high – if you're lucky you might see one here!
Watsonias flower in drifts through the gardens in the summer.
Tresco's Earth Mother - Gaia was sculpted from South African marble by David Wynne.
The tall hedges of evergreen oak protect the garden from salt-laden gales but they are a challenge to trim!
Tresco Children made by the sculptor David Wynne is one of the gardens' highlights.
A collection of trachycarpus palms.
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St Nicholas Priory was founded in the early 12th century by Benedictine monks and it was where the first plants of the Abbey Garden were planted in the mid-nineteenth century.
With its large barrel-like trunk full of sweet sap, the Chilean wine palm is one of the most important specimens in the garden.
Colourful in the summer with seasonal bedding.
Aloes, aeoniums and an array of scrambling Lampranthus, it is difficult to believe that the Succulent Cliff is in England!
This champion specimen of Banksia from Australia was once reduced to a stump by snow but now it's back – better than ever!
This figurehead was taken from SS Thames, wrecked on Scilly in 1841; made of wood, it was painted white and covered in sand to make it appear to be stone!
The King Protea is the national flower of South Africa and one of the most striking blooms on Tresco!
The sub-tropical Abbey Garden is a glorious exception - a perennial Kew without the glass - shrugging off salt spray and Atlantic gales to host thousands of exotic plants.
Many of these tender floral gems would stand no chance on the Cornish mainland, less than 30 miles away. Yet even at the winter solstice more than 300 plants will be in flower. All in all, the tropical garden is home to species from 80 countries, ranging from Brazil to New Zealand and Burma to South Africa.
By building tall wind-breaks, Augustus Smith channelled the weather up and over the network of walled enclosures that he built around the Priory ruins and the three terraces he carved from the rocky, south facing slope looking towards St Mary's. You can learn more about the history of the garden here. The hotter, drier terraces at the top of the garden suit South African and Australian plants; those lower down provide the humidity that favours flora from New Zealand and South America.
The diversity of plant life to be found within the Abbey Garden is extraordinary. Fringing the lush grid of paths which criss-cross the gardens are a host of succulents, towering palm trees and giant, lipstick-red flame trees. Here you can find flowers of the King Protea and the handsome Lobster Claw. Walk amongst the great blue spires of Echium, brilliant Furcraea, Strelitzia and shocking-pink drifts of Pelargonium.
The treasures to be found within the Abbey Garden are not limited to the floral kind. The garden is also home to a collection of shipwrecked figureheads, which are displayed at the Valhalla Museum.
At the entrance to the garden is the Garden Visitor Centre with a well-stocked gift shop, a large cafeteria and a history room.
Beautiful climber with clusters of orange flowers. (Latin: Bomarea Caldasii)
Exotic, narcotic shrub with large trumpet-like flowers. (Latin: Brugmansia)
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Mound-forming bromeliad with spiny leaves, red bracts and blue flowers.
Large, barrel-trunked palm tree, full of sweet sap. (Latin: Jubaea Chilensis)
The ultimate architectural plant - species can produce a flower spike 10 metres high. (Latin: Agave sp.)
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A mountain bromeliad with extraordinary blue flowers. (Latin: Puya Alpestris)
Australian member of the Protea family, named after Sir Joseph Banks. (Latin: Banksia - Genus)
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Tough shrub with delightful tubular bell flowers. (Latin: Correa sp.)
Lush green foliage with a large, red flower spike. (Latin: Doryanthes Palmeri)
Golden-flowered shrub with a scent like musty pineapple. (Latin: Dryandra Formosa)
The great tree species of Australia with vibrantly -coloured flowers. (Latin: Eucalyptus ficifolia)
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Small tree with creamy white flowers. (Latin: Hakea sp.)
Shrub with deep red bottlebrush flowers. (Latin: Kunzea Baxteri)
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Succulent with rosettes of green leaves and yellow flowers. (Latin: Aeonium)
Tall biennial with splendid head of small blue flowers. (Latin: Echium Pininana)
White flowered mediterranean evergreen shrub. (Latin: Cistus Ladanifera)
Medium shrub with orange/ yellow racemes of flowers. (Latin: Isoplexus)
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Large palm trees which dominate the Middle Terrace. (Latin: Phoenix Canariensis)
Mediterranean bulb with deep violet - blue flowers. (Latin: Scilla Peruviana)
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Succulent shrub with fiery red-orange flowers. (Latin: Aloe arborescens)
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Endemic South African genus with round white flower heads. (Latin: Brunia albiflora)
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National flower of South Africa. (Latin: Protea Cynaroides)
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Wonderful "weed" with purple daisy flowers. (Latin: Senecio glastifolius)
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The outlook for Iraq's future security and stability is bleak, according to the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), which was prepared for President George W. Bush by the Central Intelligence Agency's National Intelligence Council (NIC). As The New York Times reported on September 16, "[T]he pessimistic tone of the new estimate stands in contrast to recent statements by Bush administration officials, including comments on Wednesday [September 15] by Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, who asserted that progress was being made." Not surprisingly, conservative members of the media have been echoing Bush administration spin this week; in so doing, these conservative voices are denying the realities of the U.S.-led war in Iraq.
The NIE was prepared for Bush in late July by the NIC, a center of strategic thinking within the U.S. government that is under the director of central intelligence.
The Nation's David Corn: "By the day, the situation [in Iraq] is growing worse."
The Washington Times' Tony Blankley: "No, it's not."
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The Washington Times news article headline: "Kerry dismisses progress in Iraq, talks of 'chaos'" [September 17]
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Arsenal captain Thomas Vermaelen has stressed that two bad results do not make a poor team - and is confident that the character of Arsenal's squad will see them recapture their best form.
The Belgian centre back was as frustrated as anyone by the defeats to Norwich and Schalke, but believes that his team-mates have the ability to return to winning ways against QPR.
"I should stress that the last two results have not been about our mentality," he told the Official Matchday Programme.
"Everyone here works hard, and I can honestly say that the attitude in this group is fantastic. A few weeks ago we played a good game at West Ham and won 3-1, and you don't lose that in the space of seven days.
"Two negative results can put you down very quickly in football, but a couple of good games will do exactly the opposite. Of course it's been a disappointing and frustrating week, but we know we have the quality to get back on track."
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Re: 472, how to boost fuel economy?
Been a looong time since I've had (or even seen) an 472, but I has two and I do remember being happy when I got mine "UP TO" 12-13 MPG. Those puppies where not made for economy.
Re: 472, how to boost fuel economy?
I just looked it up and apparently, the 69 Cadillac has a 2.94 ratio, so putting a 700R4 with proper torque converter lock-up should improve mileage.
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As far as overdrive trannies go, a stock 700R4 might be a bit weak, this car made over 500lb-ft torque stock. I'm sure a built 700R4 would hold up, but I'd go with a 4L80, that's GM's heavy duty overdrive they put into 3/4 and 1 ton trucks and vans. Very hard to break a 4L80, they are way more durable than a 700R4 or 4L60e. Also of note that Bentley used the 4L80e on its Arnage, that car had a 6.75 liter twin turbo v8 making 450hp and 646lb-ft torque. Like I said, you aren't going to break a 4L80e
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Wow, everyone already posted some of my ideas and I give them credit. Your getting very good advice here.
This turned out to be a long post of info! I'm sure there will be those who wish I didn't post it because its' so long, but it should be very informative for all.......
Grab some coffee's, tea's, or beers because by the time everyone gets through this long post your going to be WIRED and DRUNK! or a little Brain Fried!
I just like to post back-up info and links to what I'm talking about so everyone can make better decisions......I love new automotive technology and apply it to old cars!
I'd stay with the Delco plugs, and go 1-2 ranges colder then bump up timing to see what you can get without detonation and lean out the carb.....Old saying "Lean Is Mean"!
One of the best ways to tune even a carburated engine on the road is with a WideBand O2 sensor. They're pretty affordable now. The best one is made by INNOVATE:
Here's one for $167 U.S. Ebay has many listed.
Definitely do an HEI Distributor! Maybe with an adjustable vacuum advance....I think Crane makes them.
Here's some very good info on 472 HEI Conversion!!!!!!!!!!!
"Look for a 74-79 Cadillac with a 472/500/425 for the HEI Distributor".......
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Go with the 700R4 transmission if it can be adapted but it will need to be built stronger to handle the power/torque of the 472 engine. Transmission Center lists many upgrades for a 700R4 also known as the 4L60.
Maybe post your question here: http://forums.500cid.com/showthread.php?t=636
Ask these guys at Transmission Center:
Maybe go from the 3.94:1 gears down to 3.08's or lower...not sure what will fit that rear axle.
There is also a transmission device called "Gear Vendors" which will give you an external over-drive on your TH400 Transmission. It will actually turn your 3 speed into a 6 speed automatic! See videos for explanation especially the video titled "Two Guys Garage" on this page:
Edlebrock Manifold with an Edlebrock Carb: That should increase fuel efficiency.
Edlebrock Carbs:
As mentioned before, you could always do fuel injection. There are many aftermarket easy to install and self learning performance fuel injection kits on both port injection or a "Throttle Body" setup which would improve fuel efficiancy. Edlebrock sells EFI kits, including full crate motors, HEI ignitions, ect.......
Or you could always put a fully built LS Motor in, and is already tuned with and ECM controller from GM Performance Parts:
Sorry..........got carried away.........this stuff cost a lot of money!
Anyway, back to basics...just like you were advised to replace many of the tune-up parts, My rational that I'm a huge advocate of:
"Clean the motor out to improve on its efficiency then use a high end Synthetic Oil."
Below are some basic cleaning procedures to perform on your engine. Maybe you already have done this to some extent......
#1. What is the health of your motor?
#2. Does it burn oil?
#3. Have you performed a compression test both hot and cold and have you ever had a leak-down test?
#4. Have you ever had this motor run on an Ignition Scope which will tell you almost everything of the condition of the mechanical, fuel system, and ignition system?
It would be great if you could find a repair shop with either an old fashion Ignition Scope or even a modern day fancy scope like these. One is called a ACE Misfire and the other is popular in Europe called a Pico Scope that can do everything from compression test, to ignition scope and is very simple. For a small shop fee, it can give you a wealth of info very quickly about your motor both mechanical and ignition:
#5. Have you ever had the heads off to see if the valves and piston tops are loaded with thick carbon?
Carbon on the backs of valves and on the tops of pistons really affects fuel efficiancey. The carbon on the tops of the pistons raises the compression ratio which requires more fuel to stop detonation or, you will find yourself retarding the ignition timing to stop the detonation which greatly affects the motors efficiency. Carbon on the back of the intake valve will act like a sponge and soak up your fuel charge and again cause inefficient combustion.
#6. Have you ever de-carboned this motor?
Here in the U.S., there are a few ways to de-carbonize an engine. The first and slowest way is to use a fuel tank additive that contains a high concentration of PEA (Poly Ether Amine) which was developed by Chevron in the 1970's when the U.S switched to Un-leaded fuel with this additive to help eliminate the carbon problems. This product was called and trademarked as TECHRON. Gas that contained lead actually left a coating on the valves, pistons, combustion chamber which prevented carbon from hardening and building up. Here's a good explanation:
Today, many fuel tank additives contain PEA to break down combustion chamber/intake valve carbon, but most are proprietary in concentration. One additive that has the highest in by RedLine SI-1 which is the strongest detergent with PEA available at around 45%-50%. Techron by the bottle has been rumored to only have around 30%.
Fuels around the world use low concentrations of PEA like Shell, Texaco, Chevron with a concentration of around 3-5% or more at the pump depending on what other countries require. Here's an explanation called TOP TIER GAS: http://www.toptiergas.com/
All about the effects of Carbon:
There are also products to quickly de-carbon a motor that are slowly poured into the Carburetor/Throttle Body. The most popular product in the U.S. is called Sea Foam. The best product was sold by GM and Cadillac Dealers for years and has been discontinued due to environmental laws since it created toxic fumes/smoke: "GM Top End Cleaner" was a very popular treatment for almost every car being serviced in the dealership and was used for years. Maybe your GM dealer in Europe still sells it: (GM Part# 1050002) or (part# 12345089).
Maybe try E-bay in Europe!
If you do a search on "GM Top End Cleaner", you will see many forums talking about its use. Here's one popular forum using other known good products like Amsoil Power Foam, Mopar cleaner, Johnson-Evenrude cleaner for decarbonizing boat motors.
Basically when using a "pour-down-throttle body/carb" product, the engine must be warm, then raise the engine to 1500-2000 RPM then slowly pour the product down the carb. and it will smoke heavily. When your almost finished with the product, pour last 1/4 of can in quickly to stall the motor and let it sit for 24-48hrs +. Then start it up, and rev it.....the exhaust will really smoke ....then fill the can with water, and raise the RPM's and slowly pour water down the carb while revving the motor. This is an old trick that even GM advocated in order to steam the carbon off the pistons.
There are also other alternative "pour in throttle body/carburetor" type cleaners that maybe you are familiar with called Lubro-Moly Ventil Sauber made in Germany. See here:
Liqui-Moly also has other very good products like their oil additive called MoS2 but you may not be able to use it and should ask them if you should use only an additive with ZDDP to protect your old camshaft.
Pg.1 http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/p...oiladb=web.nsf
Pg.2 http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/p...oiladb=web.nsf
I would even consider using a product to clean the oiling system up and which supposedly cleans the pistons ring packs. An old and popular product sold in the US is called Marvel Mystery Oil (MMO) and another product that seems to be advocated is called AutoRX. Many people talk about it on an Oil Review Forum called "BOB IS THE OIL GUY" .
Recently, I purchased this machine here in the U.S. for fuel injection called Terra Clean after reading about it in that "MOTOR Magazine" article I posted above. I got a new $1000 machine for $125 on Ebay!!!!! A few years ago, it was reviewed on our automotive TV shows but never caught on but is very popular in Canada. This de-carbonizing machine is very different from other machines on the market and they can also do this treatment on a carburated engine:
TerraClean U.S.A site: http://www.terraclean.net/news.php
TerraClean U.K. site http://www.terraclean.co.uk/
Here are some pretty intelligent people who discuss lubricants ect and another good product to clean the motor is called KREEN:
Synthetic Oil with ZDDP:
Amsoil synthetic engine oil, trans fluid, axle fluid or some other high end synthetic available in Europe but use one with high levels of ZDDP which is needed and protects older motors camshafts ect.
Amsoil Nano Air Filters to keeps the oil very clean and are high flowing vs. K&N:
Again: My rational, is to try and clean the motor out to improve on its efficiency then use a high end Synthetic Oil including a small amount of Redline Si-1 Fuel cleaner or other additive with PEA in every tank full of fuel to keep everything clean and/or even a lead substitute in the fuel.
I hope some of this info helps,
Re: 472, how to boost fuel economy?
There are so many ways to increase fuel efficiency of an old motor..........
Another idea that I'm doing on my 91 Brougham is to convert over to electric fans to decrease the load on the belt drive. My 91 Brougham uses a HUGE mechanical fan but with a fan clutch. I bought the Flex-A-Lite #294 which is their quieter version fan with an "S" Blade design.
From different articles I read mostly with Trucks that do the conversion, there is a small gain in Horsepower/Torque and small gain in fuel efficiancy.
It states the #480 electric fan on this page will fit the 1969 Deville, but I'd check to see if you could install the larger #294 for better cooling and lower A/C temps by moving more air past the condensor which is another reason I bought that fan since I converted my a/C to 134a freon that does not blow as cold.
Here are some other links:
I totally agree with you.............The 4L80 is the best transmission. I need to have my 700r4 built up, but if I go with a larger motor someday, it will have the 4L80!
This site says the 69 Deville had 3.94:1.................where did everyone else find their info?
I would think that car had the 3.94's with the 472 to Haul' A.S.S. back then before the fuel crisis.....
2.94:1 here:
Also 2.94:1 here:
2.94 again:
He should verify it anyway to see what's in that Deville.
Performance Specs. 0-60 8.1? 1/4 ml. 15.8?
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[/COLOR]This site says the 69 Deville had 3.94:1.................where did everyone else find their info?
I would think that car had the 3.94's with the 472 to Haul' A.S.S. back then before the fuel crisis.....
2.94:1 here:
Also 2.94:1 here:
2.94 again:
He should verify it anyway to see what's in that Deville.
I have a 1967 Cadillac shop manual and it says (for 1967 anyways) the diff ratios are: 2.94:1, 3.21:1, and 3.36:1.
So I tend to agree with the specs of the 69 being 2.94:1.
Re: 472, how to boost fuel economy?
Oops, I read the original post a few days ago, then responded later. Somehow I was thinking of later mid 70s 472s when I posted. Yes, if the rear ratio is in the 3s, OD will help. OR, swap in one of the high gear sets from a mid 70s-81 car. Your acceleration will not be as brisk, but you will see the same effective final drive ratio as the OD swap. It will also cost less, and will swap right in with no mods to the car.
Re: 472, how to boost fuel economy?
IMO the cost and labor of an electric fan will never be realized at the gas pump. Adding electrical parts over pure mechanical operation is just bragging rights. You still must use the shroud to direct the air to the motor by the way.
Re: 472, how to boost fuel economy?
Thanks for all for your answers!If still running a cat (and in Europe, I suspect you are), you will see a benefit to going to a modern monolith cat instead of the old restrictive pellet type.A little more efficiency can be gained by a freer flowing exhaust. If you can't do full duals, you can do a very nice two into one into duals:Definitely do an HEI Distributor! Maybe with an adjustable vacuum advance....I think Crane makes them.There is also a transmission device called "Gear Vendors" which will give you an external over-drive on your TH400 Transmission. It will actually turn your 3 speed into a 6 speed automatic!
That thing makes engine run slower->more slippage in torque converter= heat problems and not much better mileage.
Personally I think that only way to get better mileage from tranny is to change the whole thing to another. 4L60 or 4L80 would be an option if my original transmission starts to wreck in some point. The big question is: Does it make any sence to buy new tranny (3500-4000$ or even more) when I can get over 1800 liters of gas with the same money? I think yes if I had some extra money and no if I don't have. Right now I don't have that much extra money so I make that tranny change in future.
By the way, does those 4L60 and 4L80 (and 4L85) trannys chage gears as smooth as the original TH400?Edlebrock Manifold with an Edlebrock Carb: That should increase fuel efficiency.
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...erformer.shtml#1. What is the health of your motor?#2. Does it burn oil?#3. Have you performed a compression test both hot and cold and have you ever had a leak-down test?#4. Have you ever had this motor run on an Ignition Scope which will tell you almost everything of the condition of the mechanical, fuel system, and ignition system?#5. Have you ever had the heads off to see if the valves and piston tops are loaded with thick carbon?#6. Have you ever de-carboned this motor?I would even consider using a product to clean the oiling system up and which supposedly cleans the pistons ring packs.
I've heard that those products can block oil channels (wrong term??) when all that crap starts to move in engine. Of course in Finland, we have lots of smaller engines which have smaller oil channels. Does those products have any risk in bigger engines?Amsoil synthetic engine oil, trans fluid, axle fluid or some other high end synthetic available in Europe but use one with high levels of ZDDP which is needed and protects older motors camshafts ect.
What oil I should pour into my transmission when I change tranny oil? Dexron II or A-type or what? Some pepole say that todays Dexron II oil will slip more than before when they made this stuff from whale oil? Is this true?
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All DEXTRON fluids are compatable. I use Synthetic blend in my 84 sedan.
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Re: 472, how to boost fuel economy?
Hey Jay... this is a 69, they did not put on a cat until 75.. They don't make you put a cat on old cars, do they?
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So the fan isn't going to show much of anything in with big-a ss displacement!
Re: 472, how to boost fuel economy?
Well, I just spent the whole evening reading through 10 different forums and 20 threads about the 472/500 including transmission swaps and gears. For now; it's going to take some time to post this info with the links......but from what I've read, its from very genuine and authentic sources who know the 472/500..................
.......HOW DOES 22 MPG's SOUND FOR THE RECORD ON A 472 WITH A SPECIALLY DESIGNED CAMSHAFT SWAP?!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sure there is more to it and you'll have to contact these manufactures and post on these different forums that I'll list.
Apparently, a lot guys are seeing 15-18 mpgs from matched gears to cams and transmission ect. Doesn't sound too expensive from what I've read. But, there is definitely a HUGE following of the 472/500 and a lot of research and design/ development in performance parts for those motors.
I'll try to post it all logically soon.
Anyway, I just wanted to comment on some of what you posted:
#1. Definitely put an HEI (High Energy Ignition) Distributor in this motor. It's solid state technology far surpasses the conventional points setup and will improve how this motor runs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributor
HEI was a huge step in ignition technology from previous points design:
Although, HEI's do have some inherant problems. I've reserched this and have come up with many mods. to do on my 91 Eldo's HEI. One of the best things you can do for an "In cap Coil HEI" is to get that coil out of the cap! This reaquires a "Cap-Adapt" kit which allows you to run an external coil. The internal coil design gets really hot and is hard on the module. Also, there is a lot of EMI created by the "In-Cap" High Energy Coil which affects the module to false trigger which is why GM started to put a small metal shield over some HEI modules. Its just better to convert over to an external oil filled coil and not epoxy filled so it stays cool for stable output which is heavily debated by one expert in the industry by the name Dave Ray of Daves Small Body HEI's who also advocate the Large Cap HEI's that Ford used and improved on the GM HEI design which has wider spaces between terminal to prevent cross firing in the HEI Cap that the GM HEI's have problems with.
In addition, a module mounted under an "in cap coil", will heat up and it requires a special heat sink compound grease to transfer the heat out of the module and into the distributor body. Many use "Dielectric Grease" which is the wrong stuff and will insulate the module and not allow it to transfer the heat. The best heat sink grease to use is the same stuff used for your home computer's heatsink for the processor.
I can do a whole write-up on the best greases and the right and wrong way to apply it........it should be applied in a long straight line and push the module into it and let the module spread the grease.........there are some good YOUTUBE Videos on the subject, but many say it's over-kill, but I've gone through some of the Accel junk performance modules and have learned my lesson. All internal distributor parts, including the module should be AC Delco!
Also, these HEI's require good clean power and should be wired with a quality relay and 10-8 awg wire. There is so much tech info I can post on modifying an HEI that many are not aware of.
In addition to all my research and the mods I'm going to do on my own HEI, I just found some EXCELLENT info. and one of the members is from a well known fuel injection service company, so this guy, if it's Jim Linder, definitely knows his stuff on GM HEI's, coils, and modules and this info would apply to any HEI setup.
#2. Regarding the Gear Vendors. From what I've read this evening, I was surprised it came up many times in different threads. Some say "yes", some say "no". The concensus is to go with a 700R4 but it definitely needs to be built stronger and it starts to get expensive. Other people have said to go with the 200R4. Some even say with the right cam and gears, the TH400 is still the strongest and can also get good fuel economy.......... I'll post those links for you soon.
You posted the 4L60. That is the same as the 700R4. Did you mean the 4L60E but many have also stated on those other forums to go with the 4L80E with an aftermarket transmission controller.
#3. I've read that some say Headers are a definite improvement on the 472/500's.
#4. As far as an Ignition Scope, many of the old guys were the true experts at reading the patterns. For the past 15 yrs, most factory technicians never used a scope and were not trained how to use them as they were old technology and they relied on their scan tools. In the recent years, there is been a lot of training ect. on how to use and read a scope pattern on new cars to help diagnose misfire ect. problems. Snap-On is a major manf. of scanners for newer computer controlled cars. They have integrated a scope in 2 of their newer scanners called the Modis and Versus.These handheld scopes are great for reading ignition patterns while driving just like those other scopes I listed previously. Originally, the scopes back in the 1960's 70's and 80's were made by SUN Electronics. They can be found in some old repair shops but were the most valuable diagnostic tool..here's what they look like:
#5. Some people on those forums also spoke about the Edelbrock upgrades, but others said to go with even better set ups that you'll see in the followup posts that I'll put together.
#6. There is a lot more to Decarboning a motor other than only using water. Unless you have a "Fiber Optic Borescope" and can verify that only water works, I can tell you with great certainty, water alone does not work. I have a borescope and have verified many different products and how each works including water. The only thing you are removing is mostly "rich soot" and maybe some softer carbon by just using water alone. If you can see small chucks, then yes its working somewhat but you need a chemical to heatsoak into the hard layer of carbon to soften it before using the water. Also, its going to take a lot more water than a spray bottle. If you mist the water in, it will have already vaporized way before it even gets down the runner to the intake valve, combustion chamber and piston. Many times, I have trickled in 1-2 liters of water down a carb or throttle body on newer cars and have never hydrolocked a motor or bent a rod. It's not going to happen on that 472! You just trickle (just a little less than a steady stream) and enough to get the water to the valves and combustion chamber where it vaporizes and cracks the carbon off. This is how the old GM Caddy mechanics taught me how to do it.
Funny, I remember stories these guys told that they used to throw hand fulls of rice down the carb's of Flat Head Fords to get the carbon out! Many years ago, there was a system that used crushed Walnut Shells under forced air and vacuumed out to de-carbon motors!
Hmmm, I bet a hand full of snow could do wonders to decarbon an engine!
You just need a chemical process to heat soak and soften the carbon, and the fuel additive with the highest PEA like Redline SI-1 to really break down the carbon.
#7. As far as cleaning the oil system; have you ever had the valve cover off or the oil pan? If the sludge is greater than 4mm or 1/8 inch. Then aggressive cleaning could clog the screen. If it is that thick, you could do a 10min flush with a kerosene type cleaner purchased at the parts store, drain the oil through a house "window screen" to see if there are any large chunks of sludge and/or cut open the oil filter. Then, pour 6-7 quarts of diesel fuel into the crank case and let it sit for 24-48 hrs. Throughout this time, shake the cars front end really hard for a few minutes by pushing against the fender in order to agitate and mix that solution in the crank case which would possibly loosen it from the pump pick up screen then drain the diesel fuel through a screen to see if you see chunks of debris, or if the diesel fuel is black and thick, or clear. Diesel fuel is high in detergents and I've even run a quart in the oil for a quick flush which is an old technique. Many also use a quart of trans fluid to do the same. You may want to see how your oil pressure is before doing this then check it after.
You'd be surprised how these old mechanics used to treat these engines back then.........even in the dealerships!
But using a very good synthetic oil with its detergent package will slowly break down the sludge. Have you ever performed an Oil Analysis? Many diesel marine/truck repairs shops even have these oil analyses in their shop. My local Diesel/Marine/Heavy Equipment repair center only charges $15 per sample and tells a lot about what's going on in the engine and the condition of the oil life.
#8. Here's a little on what I found on Valvoline VR1 and NOT to use RACING OIL in a street car since it does not have the detergent packaged needed for a street car. When you read these forums, they often refer to conventional (non-synthetic oil) as "Dino" which means Dinosaur, which means its oil from the ground of the left over extinct Dinosaurs.....something like that!
More info on Valvoline Products:
Race oils are for short use and drain periods.
#9. Good info here on TH400 Fluid. I'd probably use DextronIII which is good advice from one of the better known members. Some of the members on that Forum are chemists and are really knowledgeable:
I'll work on that other info regarding the fuel efficency of the 472/500, Transmissions Info, and Rear Axle Gears recommendations.
Re: 472, how to boost fuel economy?
IIRC there was also a 3:15:1 rear axle ratio for trailer towing or limo back in the day.
A 4L80e would help a lot on highway driving but so little or nothing around town. It would take a long time to pay for itself. That swap needs a computer to go along.
4L60 I can envision broken parts everywhere after a few full throttle takeoffs.
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We take time to moisturize our hair and skin to shield it from the dry and sunny climate in the Vail Valley, but rarely do we consider protecting furniture from the harsh elements.
But wood, leather and fabrics take a beating, due to sun and low humidity, often resulting in cracks, fading or separation in furniture.
The first preventative measure people can take to protect their furniture from harsh High Country elements involves the sun: Avoid placing furniture near windows that stream in direct sunlight; the ultraviolet rays usually cause fading and discoloration. Second-home owners have a bit more leeway; when they leave for a given time period, they can cover furniture located near windows with sheets and draw the shades down.
Once damage occurs, experts from Fibrenew, a furniture repair shop with four franchises located along the Front Range, discourage people from treating spots or discolored areas with markers, because markers rarely match the original color and result in an irregular look.
To maintain leather, they recommend keeping it out of sunlight and regularly applying leather cleaner. Never use olive oil, petroleum or other oils, or household cleaners or baby wipes on leather, they say, because it soaks into the leather, creating spots and discoloration – plus, it actually speeds up the deterioration process of leather. Household cleaners, in particular, may "work" in the short term to remove spots, but they ruin leather in the long run.
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A lot of furniture comes from Indonesia, China and the East Coast, where the humidity is much higher than the Rocky Mountains, said Chris Smith, of P. Furniture and Design II in Avon. As a result, wood furniture often contains a lot of moisture; on average, the Vail Valley is about 4 to 7 percent lower in humidity than where manufacturers build furniture, said Glenn Thurston, owner of You'll Never Know furniture repair company in Eagle.
More than half of his repair business focuses on split or cracked wood, due to dryness, he said.
"Solid wood is the best way to go," Smith said, "and it's easier to repair. Composites don't hold up (as well)."
But a lot of furniture on the market is made from composites. So what's an owner to do?
First of all, stay away from pine, since it's so soft, Thurston said.
"Traditionally, pine is the worst," he said, adding that the seams and splits in pine are bigger than in hardwood. "Where hardwoods are concerned, I wouldn't say one is better than another."
Thurston sees a lot of tables that dry out at the seams of the legs. When he repairs, say a 5-foot dining room table (which runs around $500, depending upon damage), he re-glues and clamps the legs together and then adds another support at a 45-degree angle, so the break doesn't happen again.
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I put it on right out of the box so the backplate does sit a lot lower after a few adjustments.
this thing is super lightweight and soooooo comfortable, you can't even tell your wearing it. look how it naturally forms to your back.


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assateague wrote:Eff a pintail. When I kill one, I'm going to dance a jig over its carcass.
janicedale wrote:Some kind of taste like chicken sausage?? I hope I can serve this also for my family for breakfast.Another interesting recipe to do.:)
erp10 wrote:Gotta give this a try.
aunt betty wrote:Little off topic...My mom bought me a half-gallon of maple syrup. Came in a really nice tin can.
It tastes like a tin can too. What a bummer.
Indaswamp wrote:just ate some. I've got 1 lb. left. might be time to make some more!
Boocephus wrote:Wow swamp... that looks really good! Gotta make me some, I was trying to come up with something new with what I have. You da man
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Smith held his ground along the rail aboard You Lift Me Up, refusing to give Garrett Gomez and Solar Miss running room until it was too late for the favorite as she came close, but failed to nail the front-runner on the wire.
You Lift Me Up, trained by Jerry Hollendorfer, covered 1 1/8 miles on the Lakeside Turf Course in 1:50.09 while paying $19.20, $8.60 and $5.
Solar Miss, who stalked the leader throughout, was trapped behind her through most of the stretch run and settled for second money — just a nose in front of Fire n' Brimstone and jockey Tyler Baze in third. Solar Miss paid $3.60 and $2.60, while the show payoff on Fire n' Brimstone was $3.80.
"She tried to place herself a little closer today than she's used to," Gomez said of the runner-up. "I just let her bounce away from there because there wasn't a whole lot of speed and I didn't want to get shuffled back. I had a great tracking spot behind the winner but we just couldn't get there."
The charge to the wire was dramatic as the first six finishers were only separated by about one length. Fourth-place finisher Miss Singhsix was beaten a nose for third money, Sensational Love a head for fourth and Mohaka a head for fifth.
You Lift Me Up, a California-bred daughter of Lord Carson, banked $54,600 to increase her earnings to $178,778. She won for the fifth time in 16 starts.
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MIKE SMITH, YOU LIFT ME UP, Winner: "That's the way I thought I'd have to ride her. I figured I'd be on the lead and it was just a matter of me getting away with what I wanted to get away with, pulling the trigger and hoping I can hang on. She was just cruising down the backstretch, really breathing well and taking it all in. I knew I was going to have some horse but I thought the six (Solar Miss) would really come flying. I didn't see her on the outside and I thought this is great and all of the sudden she popped up on the inside."
GARRETT GOMEZ, SOLAR MISS, Second: "She tried to place herself a little closer today than she's used to. The first time I rode her she was really nervous in the post parade and I took it upon myself to take her back and see if I could teach her to relax. Today I just let her bounce away from there because there wasn't a whole lot of speed and I didn't want to get shuffled back. I had a great tracking spot behind the winner but we just couldn't get there."
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DAN WARD (ASST. TO JERRY HOLLENDORFER), YOU LIFT ME UP, Winner: "After the three (Set Of Wings) scratched I thought we would get an easy lead. On form she's better coming off the pace but you have to be able to react. He (Mike Smith) said, 'I'm going to come out and see what happens.' I don't know what will be next."


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All Done!!! I had a lucky break yesterday and recieved my supplies 1 week early. I hope everyone enjoys these it was a lot of fun to build. I had some help today from a new friend here on the TDH(Although he has yet to post anything!) LAZY!
Thanks Cantina Dude! Oh and BKBT swung by today to bark orders at me...I mean to check out my progress. Nice to see you again.
I'm going to have to drop a bit of a bomb on the guys who were getting there hopes up on picking up a set. I can still make these things but My cost and time on these suckers is through the roof. I'm going to have to ask $65.00 plus the shipping(I don't know what that is yet but I'm sure it will be reasonable, the pieces are light and don't take up much room.) I never intended to throw a low price at everyone then Jack it up, but I just can't justify it for less.
Anyways painting was a breeze, Latex was not needed, I used a latex and brown acrylic on the cube area and it accually rubs off a bit. The rest Cantina Dude and myself painted up with regular acrylic and it works just fantastic.
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It was World Refugee Day and members of New Hampshire's varied and growing refugee population gathered on the Statehouse steps, sharing stories of their new lives in the Granite State while contributing a cultural taste of music and dance from their former homelands.
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