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"The more unpredictable the world, the more we rely on predictions" (Steve Rivkin). The uncertainty of an unknown future imposes costs and risks on us in many areas of life. A cereal-growing farmer risks a big financial loss if the price of grain is low at harvest time, and a livestock farmer may not be able to afford to feed his herd if the price of grain goes up. One way to reduce the risk is to hedge against it in a futures market. The two farmers can enter a forward contract, for one to deliver a set quantity of grain to the other for a fixed price at a future date. And indeed farmers do routinely use futures contracts to reduce their risks.
Weather is a major uncertainty affecting our futures (it is one of the main sources of risk for those farmers), and weather futures markets can be used to hedge on the monthly/seasonal time scale. In the longer term, changes in climate will also bring a range of costs and benefits, and a market in climate futures would allow anyone who is vulnerable to hedge against these risks too. But how can we assign fair prices to the contracts? One obvious starting point would be to look at model predictions and historical data. This is essentially what the IPCC does, eg with its estimate of 0.3+-0.1C
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Fortunately, there is a solution to this problem. Efficient market theory states that the price in a free market should accurately reflect the aggregated information that is available, and so in 1990 economist Robin Hanson noted that we can turn the problem around: use the market as an aggregation mechanism to tell us what the odds are on any particular event. This, he claims, could be much more effective than relying on panels of government- (or self-)appointed experts and media pundits to predict the future, since the financial penalty would keep the incompetent away from the marketplace, and the real experts would be automatically rewarded for correcting any errors in the market prices. There is now a growing body of evidence in support of these theories, including for example the analysis of existing markets and results from a market which was set up specifically to investigate the idea further. Of course the market price does not exist in a vacuum: in practice, traders would perform calculations as I did above (but rather more carefully), and the market price would reflect their consensus. The market is a highly inclusive mechanism: rather than having to debate to the death, anyone who has an opinion can invest as much as they want (which will relate to their confidence), and in the long run the winners will drive out the losers. If I offer (and accept) bets on global cooling at 10:1 based on my rough calculation, someone who does a better job of estimation will probably be able to take money off me, earning a reward for their skill and effort.
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Metal / Re: Into Oblivion« on: December 20, 2011, 04:29:46 AM »
Cover art has been released for upcoming split with Nuclearhammer, Shoor, and Cromlech entitled "Under The Banner of The Serpent Sun" set to be released in early 2012.
The album will feature two new tracks from Into Oblivion entitled Gleaming Thrones of Triumph and Eagle of the Serpent Sun.
Updates concerning this release will be posted as they come.
Metal / Re: Into Oblivion« on: February 22, 2011, 12:12:20 AM »
Metal / Re: Into Oblivion« on: December 18, 2010, 04:23:10 AM »
...As if Wagner, Brahms or even Stravinskij decided in the otherworld that these wimpy rock/metal kids have had it too easy and possessed various souls to spend hundreds of nights writing progressive Romantic/Faustian death metal partitures...
Creation Of A Monolith reviewed on Deathmetal.org
Metal / Re: Into Oblivion« on: December 13, 2010, 04:30:37 AM »
Creation Of A Monolith now added to the Audiofile section.
Metal / Re: Into Oblivion« on: November 28, 2010, 06:14:59 PM »
preview sounds good....
Thank you, the full length will on the audiofile very soon.
As well our CD release show (full album short of one song) was recorded and will be on our youtube by the end of the night hopefully.
Metal / Re: Into Oblivion« on: November 16, 2010, 02:11:48 AM »
A sample of the new album Creation Of A Monolith (set to be released on November 27th 2010) has just been posted on the myspace.
Metal / Re: Listen to Fearless Iranians From Hell to commemorate 9/11« on: September 07, 2010, 12:09:36 AM »
Interzone / Re: "For rectal use only": recontextualized« on: August 12, 2010, 05:29:05 AM »
Excellent trolling. Where can I find some of those stickers? I've got a few ideas...
Metal / Re: Amebix« on: August 11, 2010, 06:13:27 AM »
Metal / Re: Into Oblivion« on: July 31, 2010, 03:09:22 AM »
ehhh, looks like it needs to be uploaded again - haha, sorry!
Sorry for the delay!
Here is our first album. Hope you enjoy it.
Metal / Re: Best Metal Live album ever?« on: July 22, 2010, 02:37:34 PM »
Iron Maiden - Flight 666
Maiden performing all classics on their Somewhere Back In Time tour.
Shows that Maiden can still play all their classics spot-on.
Maiden performing all classics on their Somewhere Back In Time tour.
Shows that Maiden can still play all their classics spot-on.
Metal / Re: Into Oblivion« on: July 07, 2010, 04:20:51 AM »
I hate to be that guy, but if someone could upload any material to megaupload or mediafire, etc. I would love to take a listen.
Our first album is in the audiofile section, and the second should be done very soon!
Interzone / Re: Hessian.org Banned at Local Library« on: June 25, 2010, 02:41:30 PM »
Funny enough anus.com wasn't blocked from my schools internet in any way, and I went to a Catholic school.


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Honestly Thom, I've been reading your articles here since you've started so I think I have a fair sense of your depth of knowledge of OS internals -- there's very little in the way of Oracle's press release that goes over your head; most of it is just Oracle tradmarked jargon and product branding. Spend 45 minutes with Wikipedia and you'll understand more in that press release then they guy that wrote it.
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Why Those Christian Gunsights Matter : Dispatches from the Culture Wars
To: Mikey Wenstein and MRFF:
I am a U.S. Army infantry soldier with the rank of (rank withheld). I am married with children. I am stationed at Fort (installation name withheld). I have been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan multiple times. I have been awarded medals for direct combat engagement as well as for injuries and wounds received in hand-to-hand combat. I am a Muslim American. My family converted when I was very young. I am caucasian and have a last name that does not sound ethnic. Therefore, few of my fellow soldiers know that I am a Muslim. My wife comes from a Christian tradition but rarely practices or attends church. I have witnessed terrible religious persecution in the my (number withheld) years in the Army. Most of it comes from "angry" conservative Christians in my unit chains of command and occasionally from my fellow infantry soldiers. I am very familiar with the Trijicon ACOG gunsights and have often had them as part of my personal weapons; both my M-4 and my M-16. In my first 2 deployments I saw and experienced no incidents regarding the New Testament bible quotes that are written on the metal casing of the gun sights. Many soldiers know of them and are very confused as to why they are there and what it is supposed to mean. Everyone is worried that if they were captured in combat that the enemy would use the bible quotes against them in captivity or some other form of propaganda. As an American soldier I am ashamed that those bible quotes are on our primary weapons. As a Muslim American I am horrified. As one who swore his oath to the Constitution, I am driven to fight this Christian insanity but I know if I try to do so in a visible way that I will suffer at the hands of my military superiors. I am of low enlisted rank and can be crushed easily. I am prepared to suffer, but I am not prepared for my wife and children to suffer. So I have reached out to MRFF because there is nowhere else safe to go to try to fight this thing of disgrace. There are many other soldiers who feel as I do. Many are Protestant and Catholic and they fear reprisal just as much as I do for trying to stand up to the Christian bullies in uniform who outrank us. But if you try to fight back, you are not "asking" for trouble, YOU ARE IN TROUBLE from the start. And if you are a Muslim American, the hatred is always just below the surface and ready to explode at a moment's notice. After the Fort Hood shootings, it was so bad, even for a low profile Muslim like me, that I had to ask MRFF for help.
Nothing in my first 2 deployments prepared me for what happened with the Trijicon ACOG gun sights during my 3rd deployment to Afghanistan. I will never forget the day it occurred. It was morning and there was a mandatory formation of several companies. A very senior NCO was yelling at us which is not that unusual. He asked a private what it was that he (the private) was holding in his hand and the private said it was his "weapon" several times to which the senior NCO replied "and what ELSE is it"? FInally, the senior NCO said that the private's rifle was also something else; that because of the biblical quote on the ACOG gunsight it had been "spiritually transformed into the Fire Arm of Jesus Christ" and that we would be expected to kill every "haji" we could find with it. He said that if we were to run out of ammo, then the rifle would become the "spiritually transformed club of Jesus Christ" and that we should "bust open the head of every haji we find with it." He said that Uncle Sam had seen fit not to give us a "pussy 'Jewzzi' (combination of the word 'Jew' and Israeli made weapon 'Uzi') but the "fire arm of Jesus Christ" and made specific mention of the biblical quotes on our gun sights. He said that the enemy no doubt had quotes from the Koran on their guns but that "our Lord is bigger than theirs because theirs is a fraud and an idol". As a Muslim and an American soldier I was fit to be tied but I kept it in. There were many Afghans, both civilian and military, on base within earshot of what was being yelled at us and I can only wonder in shock what they must have thought. This senior NCO was apparently also the head person of a conservative, crazy Christian group called the "Christian Military Fellowship" and made a big deal about the importance of joining to everyone. He told us all that we MUST read a book called "Under Orders" in order to make it through this combat deployment and said he had many copies for everyone. Some of my friends went and got their copies. I refused. Finally, this senior NCO ended his yelling by warning us that if we did not "get right with Jesus" then our rifles would not provide spiritual strength despite the bible quotes on our ACOG gunsights and that we would be considered "spiritual cripples" to our fellow units and soldiers. He didn't say it in so many words, but the message was clear; if anything bad happened in a combat situation, it would be the fault of anyone who had not accepted Jesus Chris in the "right way". I have never felt so ashamed and scared in my life. I have never hated myself so much for not speaking out. So I thought of my wife and children and endured. Every time I looked at my rifle with that Trijicon ACOG gunsight/scope with the biblical quote from the book of John (8:12), it would make me sick. If I had tried to protest, it would have made me dead. And if I'm dead I'm of no use to my wife and children.
THats disgusting !!!!! i come from a Christian family im not very religious but whoa thats disturbing. I cant believe that happens here thats fucking crazy.
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Kristen Stewart plays Bella in Twilight, which is the hottest franchise around right now. Thusly, she is invited to a lot of events. She stands out on the red carpet because she does not smile broadly or pose; she usually looks slightly uncomfortable. Of her red-carpet experience, Stewart said:
People say that I'm miserable all the time. It's not that I'm miserable, it's just that somebody's yelling at me…I literally, sometimes, have to keep myself from crying…It's a physical reaction to the energy that's thrown at you.Stewart is often a target of a specific kind of body policing: the "smile, baby" requirement. When she appears on the red carpet and does not assure us with her teeth that she is simply thrilled to be reduced to a presence, a dress, a posture, she is often the target of harassment for her expression. There is an expectation of women in general and famous woman in particular to always assure the onlooker that they are happy to be looked upon through smiling, and Stewart rejects this.
Her expression is an affront to the patriarchy, it seems. Stewart's expressions do not go unnoticed among those who write about celebrities.
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Kristen Stewart Actually Cracks a Smile - Twilight's leading lady Kristen Stewart isn't exactly known for her cheery disposition.From ONTD members:
You know, I used to not mind her and actually thought she was just kinda misunderstood in why ppl think she's bitchy and ungrateful.The hell of it is that Stewart often does smile – just not broadly, or without opening her mouth:
Then I kinda realized that no, I think she really is just like that and means to be that way.
Her life. It is so HARD.
God, stop bitching for half a second and recognized you are one of the luckiest people that will ever be born. I mean, yeah, fame has it's own problems attached to it, but they will never outweigh the good.
And this is not enough. Despite the fact that this attention is often negative and always demanded, despite the fact that it drives her to tears, appreciation of this harrassment is demanded. Graciousness is an obligation on Stewart's part because people are looking at her. The implication for women is that attention is a sign of our value; if we are not attracting it, particularly from men, we are worthless. If we're harassed and ordered to smile, we're lucky. We must be grateful for all attention, even that which we find unpleasant. Or we are bitches.
I myself am a rather smiley person, and have only gotten "Smile, baby! It ain't that bad!" once in my memory, when I was pissed off and cold. It was infuriating though, and I still remember feeling humiliated.
s.e. smith recently wrote about this expectation for folks read as women:
People order each other to smile because they feel uncomfortable around people who are not smiling, especially when those people are women (or are read as such). Women are expected to be nice and sweet, to make other people feel comfortable. A woman who says 'hey, I think there's a problem here' is being 'negative.' A woman who doesn't smile while she's being harassed is 'humourless.' A woman who prefers to stay focused on tasks is a 'cold bitch.' Significant gendering is involved here; women have an obligation to look and act a certain way and when they don't, they need to be hassled until they do.Some folks construct smiling on the red carpet as a professional expectation. But why is that a professional expectation? This is the same argument applied to weight for actors. As with weight, it sends the message to female fans that thinness/smiling is mandatory. Placing expectations on the body is always an act of the kyriarchy, whether it's for movie stars or flight attendants. Some people do not care to smile constantly. They should not be expected to in their work.
This professional/social expectation is often applied to problematized bodies, as Renee points out:
I get that Gabby is a celeb, but she is also a person -- and if she does not feel like putting a fake ass smile on her face to satisfy some guy, that is just fine. Too often men will expect women to hide their feelings and become little automatons, because it makes them happy --never mind that it may be in direct conflict of how we are currently feeling. This is not a celeb thing, this is a woman thing. I have been told on more than one occasion that I should smile and all it inspires me to do is give the person the finger. You know, if I felt like smiling, I would smile.This "professional expectation" is applied mainly to movie stars who are women. Sean Penn, Johnny Depp, Leonardo DiCaprio, and even George Clooney (who is known for being goofy) usually do not broadly smile, and I've never heard a word about their lack of appreciation for their fame.
Stewart's lack of a ready smile isn't really indicative of anything. Her supposed disposition does no manifest itself in anything other than some ruffled feathers among those demand a specific expression from women. She is not violent or cruel. She seems to be nice to the fan community. She doesn't beat up photographers.
She just doesn't like smiling. And in a culture of pop where it is the responsibility of women to make everyone comfortable, to put everyone at ease, this constitutes a grave affront.


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Have you recently purchased a new smart phone or brand new tablet? Congratulations! It's going to be obsolete in a few years. It stings, I know. But in a couple of years your fancy phone's operating system won't work with the latest apps. Or you may need to update our operating system, as is the case with the end of support for Windows XP.
Consider doing what we do at my house. We have a tech fund. Even when we have something nice and shiny and new, we still keep putting away a fixed amount of money a month to replace and repair our tech. Like your house or your car, there are going to be tech emergencies.
You might drop or lose something or it could just die on you. We aim for $50 a month, although we could up that if there was a special goal we were working towards. But even if you could just set aside $20 in an envelope each month. In 18 months, you'd have $360. That's enough to buy a new laptop should yours crash, a new phone or a tablet.
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text: Ok,I don't think we've talked about this for a while....But,what does everyone here think it might be like to have a Skating Partner? Please specify what you think it might be like,but also if you'd do Pairs,Ice-Dance,or both. For me....What I think it might be like to have a Partner is that I believe I would feel very,very close to her,on AND off Ice. (LOL,of course she would have to be a Sweetheart first). What I also think it might be like is looking for a really Great Friendship in her. Anybody else?


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|Peggy Hill
|Margaret Platter
| Substitute Spanish Teacher (Primary)
Arlen Bystander Journalist Sizemore Real Estate Agent Pink and White bagger
| Hank Hill (husband)
Bobby Hill (son)
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Margaret "Peggy" Hill (née Platter), the deuteragonist of King of the Hill, is the wife of Hank Hill and the mother of Bobby Hill. She is also the paternal aunt of Luanne Platter. She is a substitute Spanish teacher at Tom Landry Middle School and a freelance writer for the local newspaper, the Arlen Bystander. She was a real estate agent in the show's later seasons.
She has been said to be beautiful (mostly by herself and Bill) despite being considered frumpy due to her granny-beehive and glasses, not to mention her consistency of wearing culottes. Peggy wears square, rimless glasses and is generally seen wearing cut-off blouses and culottes. She is an average framed woman who wears a disproportionate size 16½ shoe on her left foot, and size 16 on her right--which has been a constant source of her misery.
Peggy has a very inflated ego (socially/virtually extremely narcissistic), is anti-semetic (although she denies it) giving her a lot of self-confidence, but this has been known to get her in trouble. When her authority is challenged in the slightest, Peggy often takes her anger out in petty ways. In "Hank's Bad Hair Day," after learning that Bobby wants to use Hank's barber instead of having Peggy cutting his hair, she throws out Bobby's untouched glass of chocolate milk, angrily saying, "You're much too old for chocolate milk." proving she strongly believes she is a useful and helping figure being hypocritical when accepting help seen at few episodes. Like her husband, she has an impressive work ethic: she won the school's "Substitute Teacher of the Year Award" three sequential years (although the show infers that it is actually only won by Peggy twice, as her students rebelliously voted for her husband who was a popular shop class substitute teacher despite being unfairly fired for an honest mistake). She was one who founded the "Substitute Teacher of the Year Award" so she herself could win it. She was also adamant about impressing her new boss, Chris Sizemore, when she worked at Chris Sizemore Realty.
Her personality appears to be ironic, considering her rough relationship with her abusive mother, who never thought she was good at anything. This may explain her overachiever status and egomania (Narcissistic personality disorder) and little greedy side.
Born in Montana to cattle ranchers , she moved to Texas for high school. Her family includes Doc Platter (father), Maddy Platter (mother), Leanne Platter (ex sister in-law), Luanne Platter (niece), Hoyt Platter (twin brother), Laverne (aunt), and Boppo (uncle).
Peggy's mother was extremely critical, and her father was aloof and spoke in obtuse, nature-based metaphors that were the foundation of Hank's admiration towards Doc. These portrayals of her parents, from the episode "A Rover Runs Through It", are actually a retconned version differing quite noticeably from the homemaker mother – and presumably equally suburban father – displayed in flashbacks in earlier episodes, "I Remember Mono" and "Transnational Amusements Presents: Peggy's Magic Sex Feet". In early episodes, Mrs. Platter is seen visiting in the Hills' home, implying that she lives in or near Arlen, Texas, and is on speaking terms with her daughter (although the episode "Happy Hank's Giving," in which she appears in her original incarnation, implies that her mother either still lives in Montana or moved back). These appearances are discarded by "A Rover Runs Through It". In fact, the suggestion in the later episode is that Peggy left her parents behind when she went to Texas, which is a significant alteration. In both versions her mother tends to be critical of her, albeit for different reasons.
Peggy's twin brother, Hoyt, is Luanne's father. A petty criminal, Hoyt was unseen and serving a second jail term. The family told Luanne that he was working on an oil rig to spare her feelings. When Hoyt returned to Arlen, Peggy tried to help him out and gave him money, but eventually realized Hoyt was an incorrigible criminal and would destroy the entire family.
As a child, she was teased constantly for her unusually large size 16 feet, which remains her only known insecurity into adulthood. She was once tricked into starring in foot fetish videos under the guise of an inspirational video for insecure women. She is not especially stylish, with Luanne once saying, "being pretty in public is just asking for trouble, so I borrowed your clothes." In high school, Peggy excelled as a softball pitcher, a skill she still holds in adulthood.
Peggy's favorite hobby is Boggle, though people rarely want to play with her because she takes it too seriously. According to Luanne, holiday guests hate her Boggle tournaments as they have grown tired of them and she gives grades instead of prizes. She unseated Cissy Cobb as the Boggle champion of Texas.[1]
Peggy's inflated ego leads her to believe she is far, far more intelligent than she actually is. In The Substitute Spanish Prisoner, it's stated that she estimates her IQ at 170. She claims to be fluent in Spanish, when in reality, it is quite poor. In "Lupe's Revenge," her poor Spanish led her to face a Mexican judge on kidnapping charges. That's not to say she's unintelligent; her knowledge of legal proceedings allowed Hank to filibuster an unpopular law from passing. Her extensive Boggle playing has given her a good vocabulary, allowing her to win the aforementioned state Boggle tournament with a 16-letter word, "acquaintanceship." A clever act of sabotage led the Alamo Beer Company to admit to knowingly selling tainted beer.
She frequently aggrandizes her own accomplishments, such as her continual recognition as substitute teacher of the year, although she won the first award because she created it. This ego of hers was seen as a running gag in a few episodes where in some cases she will point out how she was a major part in something. For example, when she thinks Bobby has been chosen to run with the Olympic torch (although it was, moments later, proven to be Hank, not Bobby, who won the contest), Peggy says, "Well to be fair I wrote the essay, but let this be Bobby's moment." Her belief that someone can do anything if they put their mind to it often leads her into trouble when she takes the philosophy too literally; she often believes she can do something for which she has not the skill or background (such as walking onto a crime scene and expecting to become part of the investigation).
It is perhaps not the fact that Peggy thinks so highly of herself, but in her assumption (and expectation) that everyone else thinks equally highly of her, which leads her into a variety of predicaments. In one episode, Peggy assumes that an actor, Eduardo Felipe, star of TV's Monsignor Martinez is madly in love with her and wants to have an affair with her. This idea is based somewhat on a cultural misunderstanding, over wine he tells her his wife is "with the ancestors" and acts in a way her friend Nancy agrees is "flirting", but largely on her presumption that she is irresistible. This happens multiple times throughout the series-- in one episode, Peggy believes she can win a beauty contest, hands-down; Hank has to try to talk her out of competing against much younger women without hurting her feelings. In another, she spots Hank talking to some young nudist women and accusing him of wanting an "equally pretty," younger version of Peggy. Another episode sees her comparing herself to Bobby's girlfriend, stating that they are similarly beautiful, despite the difference in their ages.
She also has the habit of using the phrase "in my opinion" when stating well known facts, such as, "In my opinion, the day after Thanksgiving is one of the busiest shopping days of the year," and "As I like to say/call it," when using common expressions, or, for example, calls a basic spaghetti recipe "SpaPeggy and meatballs." Hank calls her out on this in the Randy Travis episode, saying "That's not your opinion, that's just fact." She also occasionally makes claims that seem to have no basis in reality at all, such as "Swiss cheese is not Mexican, it's American". She does this to try and piggyback on intelligent people's observations to make herself look smarter.
When she is particularly pleased with her own cleverness, she coyly raises her hand to her chest and chuckles, "Oh, Peggy!" In an interesting spin on Peggy's self-confidence, she reluctantly recruited Bill Dauterive, whom she usually avoids because of his obvious and unwelcome crush on her, to a pyramid sales scheme, only to be surprised as Bill proved to be a much better salesperson than she was.
Because she is so enthusiastic about her own abilities, she is always gullible enough to fall for scams. Cindy Wasanasong tricked her into taking over her Cozy Kitchen "business," which turned out to be an inescapable pyramid scheme. (Ironically, she gave away her first sale set as free sample, something she berated Luanne for doing in an earlier episode). An archaeology professor tricked her into signing off her property as a legalized dig. A scam artist tricked her into paying $999 for a fake PhD degree after she tested as a "genius" in an online IQ test. She and Luanne were even lured into a cult. Peggy is also slow to pick up on social cues; she was the last on the block to realize that Nancy Gribble was having a long-term affair with John Redcorn, and realizes this only when Hank practically hands her the answer. ("Look at Joseph!")
Some insecurities appear when other people seem to be better than her at things she prides herself on. Peggy is prone to jealousy, sometimes to the point of insanity-- the episode where Bobby takes Home Ec and becomes better than her at cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry drives her to get a new and ridiculous hairdo (which Hank can't stand because of the smell of her hairspray) in an attempt to bring Hank's attention back to her and distract him from Bobby's domestic accomplishments. When that doesn't work, she purposely sabotages the Thanksgiving dinner Bobby has been meticulously preparing by stealing his buttermilk turkey.
She has been a professional writer for a long time, writing for newspapers and hippie folk music. She writes musings and often speaks like a muser. Always speaking in a formal, lyrical and stilted sort of cleverness. Like a philosophy major or perhaps a fortune-cookie. She once claimed her song lyrics were stolen by country singer Randy Travis, though Mr. Travis claimed to have written them independently. It is later revealed that the lyrics (and the story which Peggy tells Mr. Travis inspired her to write it) were, in fact, Peggy's, but her reputation for self-promotion makes even Hank think she is crying "wolf". Travis also steals an anecdote about her large feet and tells it to his audience during a performance. It isn't until Travis tells an audience that he saved Hank from drowning when, in reality, Hank was the one who saved him after Bill sent his RV into a lake, not knowing Mr. Travis was inside. Hank decided he was going to kick his ass before Peggy told him it wouldn't make a difference.
Peggy Hill is incapable of riding a bicycle, amongst other things as seen in the "Bill's House" episode, although in an earlier episode she is seen riding a bike after stealing Bobby's Thanksgiving turkey.
Peggy once ran for the school board, along with Minh and Nancy, but lost. In a frequent theme, Peggy, Minh, and Nancy began to turn on each other to win. In a classic example of her self-aggrandizing nature, Peggy treats her run for local school board as though she were a candidate for national office, using a backgammon set as a fake briefcase and answering her cellphone with "War Room". In the end, they all lost to a fundamentalist Christian, who planned to get rid of biology, geometry, the after-school program, and all "offensive" encyclopedias. Perhaps this was an attempt to tip the scales in her favor.
After not having seen her parents for years, Peggy went to Montana at the request of her mother to see her childhood home one last time. To save the ranch from Henry Winkler, and in an attempt to win her mother's favor, Peggy was able to locate an old law that allowed them to transfer their cattle through the main street of town. Afterwards, Winkler allows them to cut through his land for their cattle drive. In what appears to be a moment between mother and daughter, Peggy expects a warm thank you from her mother but is instead blamed for the whole thing; her mother says it would have never happened had she stayed on the farm. Peggy leaves, accepting the fact that her relationship with her mother is over and that she should focus on her relationship with Bobby.
Peggy has a tendency to overreact to any indication that something is not right with Bobby, for example believing he was infected by mold because he couldn't remember her birthday (though he didn't know it in the first place), believing he has ADD even though he just ate too much sugar that morning, believing that he was a special-needs child when he was just lazy, and when she caught Bobby making out with a plastic head to train himself how to act with a girl, believing this to be a lie and he really had a fetish for inanimate objects.
Peggy is a fan of Billy Crystal and Rob Reiner. She also responded affirmatively when Hank asked if she was reading her "rabbi mysteries", a probable reference to the novels of Harry Kemelman. Peggy also uses a catch phrase "Ho yeah!" when she feels accomplished.
She grew jealous of Ladybird because she believed Hank loved the dog more than her, despite Hank jumping through hoops to get her pregnant. She also becomes jealous of Hank's prized guitar "Old Betsy" because she believed he loved the guitar more than her. She became jealous of Hank when he was shown to be a better and more popular substitute teacher, although this had much to do with the competition he presented for her third straight Substitute Teacher of the Year Trophy. It is implied that Peggy's actions led to Hank being removed from teaching, after which she withdrew from the running and then reapplied for the award as "Mrs. Hank Hill". She has also been jealous of Minh for improving upon her family recipes and jealousy towards Nancy for her attractiveness.
Peggy sometimes becomes extremely vindictive about seemingly mundane things. An entire B-Plot was dedicated to her after she failed to guess the weight of her ice cream, in which she trained herself throughout the episode to calculate things she held and even took her son out of school to help her train. When she finally got the weight right at the end of the episode, she showboated to the cashier. She also cannot seem to let go of her resentment towards certain people, even when they are not at fault. When Hank's friends nominated him to run with the Olympic torch, she continually blamed him for the act despite Hank not wanting to run with it in the first place; when he wouldn't hire a female employee, Peggy assumed it was because the woman was attractive and continuously accused him of being sexually attracted to her. During the wedding of Boomhauer's brother Patch, Patch tries to frame Hank for the presence of hookers at his bachelor party; despite the fact that Patch had already admitted to hiring them himself, Peggy glares at Hank as though he is indeed at fault. In a particularly low moment, she purposely sabotages Lucky's GED test by "tutoring" him and teaching him all the wrong information because she doesn't want him to marry Luanne.
Her ideas can also lead to big problems, such as getting the Hill family deep into debt by taking out a cash-advance on their credit card to buy a share in a roller derby team[2], accidentally telling readers to make Mustard Gas in her household tips column[3]or almost getting Nancy, Dale and herself almost killed by convincing Nancy to report on the county's wildfire up close.[4] Minh told Peggy she wondered what she is kept around for, seeing as she is unable to do simple household tasks such as remove stains from clothing.[3]
Peggy's Musings (Oh Peggy...!)
- Napkin rings, those useful things.
- Autumn - love it or leaf it.
- Did you know Emily's husband is having an affair with root beer? Don't worry she's not jealous.
- Although there is no "L" is Christmas, there is "NOEL" in Christmas.
- In early seasons, Peggy wore white socks, but later in the series those socks disappeared.
- It was told by Hank that in Season 4 Episode 23 Transnational Amusements Presents: Peggy's Magic Sex Feet, Boomhauer has known Peggy longer than Hank has.
- She is something of a mentor for her niece Luanne as her own mother wasn't there for her. She has tutored Luanne in many things, including baseball, family, and life in general, implying that Luanne will grow up to be a failure mainly because of her narcissism and blindness with reality.
- Bill Dauterive has been infatuated with Peggy for quite some time in contrast to her absolute disgust for him on every possible level.
- Peggy holds a "threepeat" (three time/repeat) Substitute Teacher of the Year at Tom Landry Middle School.
- In "The Peggy Horror Picture Show", because of her body physique, not being feminine and having big feet, she was once mistaken for a drag queen. It's been revealed that Peggy's feet are even bigger than Hank's.
- In "Luanne: Virgin 2.0", it is revealed that Peggy had premarital sex with a man that was not Hank and revealed that she was the one saying they should wait until their marriage for sex.
- Peggy's brown vehicle was revealed to be a Buick in "The Son That Got Away".
- She appears not to be very computer savvy, seeing as she asked if her Kaypro computer (a 1980s computer) was Y2K compliant. She was told by a former HP employee that "[her] watch had more memory than that."
- Peggy has a 2-year college degree, revealed in "Board Games".
- Peggy owns a "Pong" system that is shown in "It Ain't Over Till The Fat Neighbor Sings".
- Her catchphrase is "Ho Yeah"! whenever she has courage or is excited.
- While Hank has always been an athlete, Peggy is a scholar as well as an athlete. She seems especially talented at all sports.


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Ok i will reschedule her appointment for a few weeks later. Now i know the heat cycle is technically not over when bleeding stops, how long after bleeding stops should i wait? Thats the only thing i have to go by.
Just for reference here is the website and excerpt describing the hormonal issues with spaying within 2 months. Not very detailed but i like to have all the info before making decisions regarding Effi's health.
The Effects of Spaying and Neutering on Canine Behavior | Association of Animal Behavior Professionals
It has been found (OFarrell and Peachey, 1990; and also discussed in Hart and Eckstein, 1997) that the only two behaviors affected by spaying of female dogs was aggressive dominance toward guardians and indiscriminate eating. In this case, the aggressive behavior increased after spaying. This effect was only noted in female dogs ovariohysterectomized before 12 months of age, and that already demonstrated aggression. Female dogs ovariohysteretomized after 12 months of age presented no risk of increased aggression. Hart and Eckstein (1997) point out that female dogs are in a progestational state for two months following an estrus period and spaying them during that time creates a sudden removal of the source of progestins (which tend to have a calming influence on animals). It is proposed that this removal of progesterone may promote irritability or aggression in some individuals.
I have heard some pretty screwy stuff from people who do not care for any type of spay/neuter. But I think the best reason to wait is to get let the uterine horns, etc get back to normal.
The way the canine body works is whether the bitch is bred or not, her uterine horns under go the same progesterone blast/hormone changes. If you wait two months after the heat cycle, that would be when the puppies would be born -- they are born 9 weeks (63 days) after ovulation, which usually happens around the middle of the heat cycle. Anyhow, if you are counting from when she finished her heat cycle, the pregnancy would be completed by eight weeks.
Bitches are interesting. They blow coat twice a year. Normally at the time when the puppies would be weaning, whether or not she has been bred. So their hormones, are working and effecting them throughout the cycle.
I would wait 3 months after the heat cycle if it was me. That would put her right between, and her stuff would be back to normal.
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Never heard that reasoning. We tell people 8 weeks after heat to allow time for the uterus to contract and blood vessels to shrink. Makes it less risky surgery.
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I have an appointment for Effi to be spayed this weekend but after reading an article that says if i get it done within 2 months of her last heat cycle it may cause too much of a hormone imbalance and make her more irritable and aggressive.
Anyone heard of this before? Any merit to waiting 2 months? Id really like to get it done asap but will reschedule if its in her best interest.
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Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by buddahfan, Apr 13, 2007.
Yep, except they don't make me want to punch an old drunk Bahstaner in the face.
I know what you mean.
Actually, those were from after the Clippers game and don't count the Seattle game. 82games.com only updates every few days or so.
Oh schnauzer! The numbers are approaching ludicrous level.
There is one other player in the entire league that has similar +/- offensive and defensive stats as AJ. Amir: 111.6 on offense 97.4 on defense Mystery Player: 112.4 on offense 97.8 on defense As FreshPrince pointed out, Amir's #'s should change for the better once yesterday' lockdown is factored in. Any guesses on who the mystery player is? Here's a hint. He made approximately $20 Million more in salary than Amir this year. That's a quarter Mill more per game... about $6K per minute... $100 per second... etc.
I'd guess Kevin Garnett.
Did the salary give it away?
Well, it helped...LOL. But with the reasonable assumption that you were talking about an elite-level MVP type, KG seemed like the best guess to match those gaudy +/- numbers, which is more or less the main case for his MVP candidacy.
I thought Amir did a decent job on KG, he forced a miss which Boston O boarded, and the foul where he blocked KG's shot L handed was fairly weak. Obviously when he went for the steal and got dunked on that wasn't so good... But KG did the same thing and gave up a dunk guarding Ra. It appeared to me that KG mostly scored on the other Big when Amir was in the game. Sheed has got to stay out of foul trouble so you can put Amir on 'the other big' if we play Boston again and don't get our asses kicked by Cle or Orl.
Well, I sure didn't think Amir was up to the task of guarding KG, but it's a lot to ask from a guy who still barely has any meaningful NBA experience. But Amir did a lot better early on in the 4th quarter when KG wasn't on the floor, and that (which could be a pretty significant contribution) seems like the best we can hope for from AJ in a conference finals matchup with Boston.
This is one series where Theo would be more effective, I think.
I completely agree. I am hoping that Amir feels out like Theo rather then KG as he gets older.
The amazing thing to me was that when Sheed and Amir were both in the game, it was up to Amir to guard KG. In reality, Sheed is the only one on the team who can guard Garnett, and he would have to apply maximum effort and somehow avoid the ref's whistle.
Sheed started out on KG but Big Baby and Perkins were just backing AJ down into the paint. Sheed also had a couple of fouls so they figured that switching was a better match up. AJ got schooled by the vet on the old up and under move early but it was a good learning experience for him.
Sheed had 2 fouls. I believe that typically Sheed would be the one on KG.
Does anyone know how many points KG scored on Sheed?
Fantastic article in the FreeP on AJ, the bench situation, and Flip Energy boost for Pistons: Make Amir Johnson a starter | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press Only part of it, definately worth the read
hey, that's kinda like what i was saying.
Finally a Detroit sports writer has the stones to question Flip Saunders. I expect Drew Sharp to turn up missing any day now just like Jimmy Hoffa did. Good lookin' out Drew!
Seems to be jumping to conclusions a bit in that article. Just because Dixon replaced Afflalo does not mean that Theo will replace Amir. It could be that Theo's mins will be taken from Dyess and Maxiel leaving Amir uneffected. That seems more likely given Amir's high upside although that DNP from the Utah game does weigh in. We will see. As far as the starting line being bored and uninspired. It can't be that bad if you are heading to a near 60 win season.
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Spaghetti and Meatballs Recipe
1.5 pounds 80/20 beef
1 cup bread crumbs
1 egg
1/2 cup dried parsley
1.5 tsp cracked black pepper
1 tsp salt
1/2 cup parmesan cheese
5 cloves garlic, crushed and chopped
(optional, if im doing it sicilian style ill put in 1/2 cup of raisins and 1/2 cup of toasted pine nuts)
large can of Hunt's whole tomatoes or crushed tomatoes (crush if buying the whole)
1 tbsp cracked black pepper
1 tsp salt
1 tbsp crushed red pepper
1 tbsp sugar
1/8 cup olive oil
5 large basil leaves
mix all of the meatball ingredients together, not too much or it will get too tough. make into a size just a little bit smaller than a tennis ball. bake in the oven on 350 until browned on the outside.
heat the oil on medium, add in the garlic and red pepper and once it starts frying, bring to medium low and fry on low heat until garlic is browned. this will take a while but its worth it. it almost gives it a roasted flavor.
once that is done, all in the rest of the sauce ingredients, bring heat to medium again until it is simmering, then back to medium low. cover and simmer for half an hour.
once the meatballs are done, put into the sauce, stir it up to mix it and simmer for another 10 minutes.
i serve it over whole wheat pasta and a little grated parm. pix later im focking hungry, didnt want to do a full walk through and yea ill do it later lol.
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Gozzard 31 vs Pacific Seacraft 31?
I have a PSC31 with a cutter rig, i.e. a high cut Yankee and a staysail. This week, in anticipation of really light winds on the Chesapeake, I swapped out the Yankee for a 130 Genoa that the prior owner used to sail the boat as a sloop. I like the look of a cutter rig but didn't have any real comparative experience. I do know now that a high cut Yankee gives poor down wind performance ( see one if my other posts about an asym elsewhere), so before I rush out to buy an asym, I wanted to test out the 130. So of course it was blowing 18-22 kts. I just had a wind gauge installed so I was able to get some good feed back. I was able to get up to 40 degrees off the apparent wind with the 130, with the staysail furled. Then I tried just the staysail, and I could pinch to 32-34 degrees. I dropped boat speed but the upwind difference was palpable. Of course the genoa sheets run outside the shrouds and the staysail sheets run to the coach roof.
Which sails into the wind better? It's one of the boats cannot go into the wind then the other might be faster overall.
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Re: Gozzard 31 vs Pacific Seacraft 31?
Originally Posted by mitiempo View Post
I admit to being a fan of the late Bill Crealock. I don't think he ever designed a slow boat or a bad looking boat.
CLIPPER MARINE 32 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com
Also has a PHRF slower than most 20 footers.
Even Bill Garden drew some beasts like the Buccaneer 30.
Re: Gozzard 31 vs Pacific Seacraft 31?
Re: Gozzard 31 vs PS 31...
Gozzard is building a re-designed G31 this winter for a repeat customer.
Performance should be improved with a more powerful rig.
Perhaps there is a trend to smaller boats.
Originally Posted by jbarros View Post
Thanks for the chance to educate myself. On you mentioning it, I looked up the difference between a double headsail sloop and a true cutter. It appears the main difference is that in a true cutter the mast is placed farther aft, and thus, it's designed to rely on the headsails more, whereas a double headsail sloop is really designed around a single headsail, then has another added for a little extra canvas, better use of or shaping of the pocket, or something else?
Is that even vaugely right? What are the advantages of each of these designs?
BTW, is the PS31 a cutter or a double headsail sloop?
-- James
I am not absolutely certain whether the PSC 31 is a true cutter in the strictest sense of that word. However, the term is used a bit more loosely nowadays than it was in the past, and most owners running a forestaysail on these boats consider them "cutter-rigged".
We sail ours (coastal) primarily sloop-rigged. However, we do have a roller furling staysail that we can set "on-the-fly" for to increase sail area when close reaching in light-to-moderate winds.
Thanks for the chance to educate myself. On you mentioning it, I looked up the difference between a double headsail sloop and a true cutter. It appears the main difference is that in a true cutter the mast is placed farther aft, and thus, it's designed to rely on the headsails more, whereas a double headsail sloop is really designed around a single headsail, then has another added for a little extra canvas, better use of or shaping of the pocket, or something else?
Is that even vaugely right? What are the advantages of each of these designs?
BTW, is the PS31 a cutter or a double headsail sloop?
-- James
Originally Posted by jbarros View Post
John, thanks, that makes a lot more sense. I couldn't imagine the sail area being that different on the two.
Also, I'm not sure if this should be a new thread, but...
I understand how a staysail could be really beneficial on long offshore passages. An extra knot or two over a few weeks journey, another way to balance the boat with less sail area up, if you want to drop the genoa, etc etc etc, but I know from experience what a pain tacking a cutter rig is.
I believe that the PS 31 comes in either cutter or sloop rig. I've heard of boats that have a "removable"? staysail, which is to say that the staysail stay unclips from a point on the foredeck and attaches somewhere out of the way for near coastal and channel work, effectively leaving you with an easy to tack sloop. Do many boats do this? Does it work without doing horrible things to the structural integrity of mast and deck? Other advantages and disadvantages of this type of design?
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What you describe (releasable inner forestay) is done fairly common on many boats that are rigged for double headsails. Some are true cutters, others are just double-headsail sloops.
Sailing coastaly, with a lot of tacking, the sloop configuration is generally considered an easier sailplan to manage. Off-shore, on long passages, the staysail would not be much of a hindrance at all, and offers some benefits.
As long as the rig is designed to be sound without a fixed inner forestay, there's usually no problem structurally. Our boat can have the inner forestay, or not - it doesn't matter. I would prefer to have it in real heavy going, along with the running backstays. But we've never sailed our boat in conditions where I felt we needed it.
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Are you sure about the heritage of the Westsail?
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The Westsail is influenced by Thistle
I can't cite a definitive source, since my info was conveyed to me verbally. All I can do is relay what Bill Crealock told me, in person. Quote: "The Westsail 32 is not my design. I modified one of Bill Atkin's designs for construction in fiberglass."
Certainly he deserves credit for the work he undertook to make it possible to build the boat in fiberglass. But he was a humble/modest guy, and seemed to be sensitive to the fact that he was being given credit for a design that wasn't originally his.
|As far as sailing a cutter, offshore tacking is not done as often as inshore, so the cutter stay is less of an issue. When it blows a staysail with a high cut foot and a reefed main is a very efficient rig.
|Crealock's redesign basically kept the same hull form of the Atkin design. Later when the deck and interior was redesigned to become the Westsail weight was added not helping much.
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This is my first post so please go easy on me should I break any forum rules!
Basically, I'm looking for some advice on which qualification I need to go for. The options both in terms of the actual qualification itself and the depth with which you need to study it are fairly overwhelming and likewise, I don't want to spend money on something that's of no immediate use or to go for a really advanced qualification when a standard or entry level one will suffice.
In terms of my own situation, I am a 28 year old BA graduate in Business Management with 5 years professional experience. I've travelled fairly extensively (India and all of SE Asia, NZ, Oz, lived and worked throughout Europe). After a recent serious illness I'm questioning whether my 9-5 office life is what I want and I'm gearing up to hit the road once again and I see teaching English as a great way to make it a permanent thing.
In terms of countries, I don't really have an interest in South America, so would really like a qualification that had relevance in India, China and the rest of Asia.
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Last 20 Scores:
N/H Trend Handicap
83.9 scoring avg.
31.7% Fairway
0.65 Putts
2 Aces
11 Eagles
408 Birdies
3,731 Pars
4,683 Bogies
1,967 Double Bogeys +
656 scores entered
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Recent Scores
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mantajim says:
Thanks Merlin. The Senior Championship was THE highlight of the year.
Kickntrue says:
at least you are playing! I've played 2x since last November!
Werepuppie says:
Looks like you have updated your aircraft huh?
Bryan K says:
We're not in Texas yet. We're leaving Fargo on 1/29, and we hope to get to Lago Vista on 1/30 by 5:00. If you want to get together for a round, let me know. I'm going through golfnow.com to set up tee times, and there are four courses in particular that I'd like to check out.
mantajim says:
Hey Merlin, good to see you playing again. Looks like the 2 months off helped the game. Just let me know when you can come up to Tyler to play.
La Tigre says:
where in westchester you guys playing I used to live in Yonker new york what part you guys going to play? la tigre
DougE says:
I really appreciate the invitation to play in the Westchester area on the 19th, but unfortunately, I am in my crazy season at work (yacht repair and maintenance)and playing midweek during the day would be impossible. I play eves after work when I can get there before 5:30 or so. Also, I am quite aways from Westchester. Only thing I've ever played in that area is Westchester CC, in a tournement many years ago. Don't think it is public though. Thank you again for the invite to play. Hope you get out to play anyway.
msjoyner says:
We have a scramble to play in Saturday. I hope our score looks like that. Good Job!
desper24 says:
I will meet you and I will show you this isn't bs. Full handicap you name the course. Let's go!
Kickntrue says:
Like what? that would make an interesting post.
What people do when they decide not to golf.
Kickntrue says:
M2D- I have to give you credit for sticking to your guns. I didn't really think you could quit- but it looks like you've pulled it off. Thanks for continuing to come back to check in on us!
mschad says:
You totally missunderstood my comment on the First Swing Helps Amputee Golfers column.
Snyper says:
Broken finger in the beginning of the summer has had me pretty much sidelined. I've played a little, but nothing official. Sucks!
Kickntrue says:
Back in the saddle again! A little time off seems to have done the trick!
Banker85 says:
quitting???? how could you!!!
bducharm says:
Merlin - saw your post luckily. Near ABIA - well you could go to Wolfdancer - GREAT track out in Bastrop (opposite from Austin). Run by the Hyatt Lost Pines resort. Nice track...that's the nearest.
Pipeliner says:
hes around...havent talked to him in a couple weeks but i think hes still playing just not posting scores as much
Birdie King says:
are not or. lol
adidag says:
nope, i've never played in any of the dogfights
adidag says:
MrUmp1 created the group. Basically its a group for SE Texas Golfers who wants to post their scores and maybe setup some games.
MrUmp1 says:
473 scores entered WOW take me 10 years to play that many rounds lol
Mookie says:
Whoa Provo, not Utah! Did you play with Turks or with Caicos?
cjgiant says:
Saw your comment; how about when you have a day like I had today, 44 front, 38 back? How can you be on one day or hole, and off the next? Great game, isn't it.
ToddRobb says:
merlin, What's up with the notes on your rounds?? Let's here a little about what happened out there.
PWell says:
yep, it's those damn expectations
Mookie says:
That's rough. My rule of thumb on plumbing is that it takes three trips to the hardware for each repair: One to buy the stuff you think you need, a second to buy the stuff it turns out you really need, and the third to replace the stuff you bought but broke trying to install.
PWell says:
thanks, did you look at my scorecard...that will answer your question
TaylorFade says:
How's it going? I have been playing i just haven't been posting my scores like I usually do for some reason. I am so glad the weather is starting to warm up so I don't have to hit 5-iron from 130yds anymore. But, like I always say, if you struggle through the winter, it'll make you batter golfer come summer. Score are finally starting to come down now.
Mookie says:
Yah, I hate plumbing, too. Every job seems to take all day, nad at least two trips to the hardware shop.
this week.
Mookie says:
Hey Merlin! What happened on the 12th? Rain? Or didja hafta work? Man you sure get a lot of rounds in.
Howzit says:
Nice shooting in your scramble yesterday, Tex! Now....let's see that score for a standard round! :)
Jake Bogardus says:
haha ya right man here in NY it gusts up to at least 95. And my course is located in a tornado zone so I commonly have to battle the 150 mph swirling winds of those beasts. Its tough up here I tell ya
Mookie says:
Actuallt, I'm in Tampa today, with a 1:30 tee time with my father-in-law at his club, Buckhorn. I'll post how it goes.
Mookie says:
Man, I'm jealous. You are getting some rounds in down there in Texas.
Kickntrue says:
M2D- love the new plate! I'm surprised the let you get by with "Ho" anything. Awesome though! As few people as actually hit hole in one's, it's awesome that yours came with a prize!
acperry65 says:
those 80's are pretty impressive, spring time you should be at par or better.
smepple says:
thanks - I agree with your comments that total distance divided by number of putts is a pretty effective and simple measure. I see that you have started tracking it - let me know hot it goes.
mantajim says:
Hey Merlin, intense is only the tip of the iceberg, but I guess that's what you do if you can't get out much.
acperry65 says:
have a great thanksgiving M2D
acperry65 says:
couple of 70's and a couple 80's nice job.thats gonna beat up that handicap fer sure
TaylorFade says:
Whoa! 78? Sweet round.
96.4% of your fairways, over 50% of greens and an 85.4 scoring average. I don't get it. I know your short game is better than mine. What gives?
iluv5pam says:
yeah, that 68 would have been sweet on a par 72 course, LoL. sun has been going down earlier and get off work at 3:30pm, so i have to hit up the courses lit up at night.
Pro Golfer 1234 says:
woods 2000 ha
Kickntrue says:
I saw that 67 and freaked too! haha- nice scramble round still.
iluv5pam says:
i'm envious of how you can play golf every single day =/
iluv5pam says:
man merlin, i almost pooped my pants when i saw that 67. then i realized it was scramble =(
iluv5pam says:
agreed dug. how does he do it that?
dug says:
thanks man...I need to learn your tricks for hitting the fairways!!!..90% is insane
TaylorFade says:
Merlin, what's your schedule look like Thursday? Wanna play in Lafayette or Lake Charles? Email me email@example.com or post a message.
Snyper says:
Thanks for the effort m2d! UPS is being a little crazy considering it is one cigar! Give me a break!
TaylorFade says:
You are on for the fastest round bet. I have a course that's comparable to yours. I will play it Monday. I love beer...
hogan72 says:
just part of my power fade...
TaylorFade says:
How did I know you were gonna correct me on the dimples on jets thing?
3 hour layover in BR., huh? You should have called. You were 10 min. from my house and 5 from our home course. We could at least hit the bar.
DavidS says:
Hey Guy...great driving stats...looks like you get to alot of courses, which is great...keep up the good scores
scottmschoen says:
Well, we only got out once. Played Pok ta Pok and like most reviews was not impressed, although the back 9 was in much better shape than the front. We were going to play the Hilton but rain prevented that. Oh well, next time!
Mashie Niblick says:
Yes Sir, Vernon Drummond is my Uncle a great man and a good player.
golfpro926 says:
I really enjoyed playing Prairie Landing! You've played all over the place...I want your job! How do you do it?
Pipeliner says:
Beaver sounds good or Copper Mill. It depends on the time frame as to where we play. Pelican Point or The Island are options too. Merlin you can look at the courses online and pick, we are pretty much open to play anywhere.
TaylorFade says:
My favorite course is probably Beaver Creek. It isn't the best course in the area, but it's the best value, I think.
Or maybe LSU or the Island. What do you think, Mike?
Pipeliner says:
Yes I do know him. he is the one that turned me on to oobgolf.
TaylorFade says:
You might be the only person this whole site that plays more than I do. I may never catch you, but I am gonna give it hell trying.
scottmschoen says:
Will do. We will be there Memorial Day through the following Sunday. I would like to get at least 2 rounds in(wives will be there too).
scottmschoen says:
Thanks for the Mexico update!
chipotle mg says:
can you update your equipment!? i want to see what clubs you use! thanks
scottmschoen says:
I'm heading to Cancun at the end of May with some buddies...my resort has free play at Club de Golf Cancun at Pok-ta-Pok, but I keep reading that it is bad. I'm a little spoiled by beautiful SE Florida courses, any suggestions? Thanks, Scott
Pipeliner says:
merlin if your ever in the Baton Rouge area to play some golf let me know. We can arrange an oobgolf round at a local course. I play with about six members.
treycool04 says:
I did get back out today and played two rounds with a 9 year old who handed it to me. He shot 81, 84 and wasn't even putting good at all. I shot 99, and 93 and played utterly terrible check my scorecards. Rare green or fairway. I became very good at scrambling for bogie lately though.
chipotle mg says:
are you jealous of my syntax?
D.Lee says:
Nice! Hope you had a great time. I'll definitely need to go back and load up on the Hilo Muni course!
D.Lee says:
Hey, thanks for the email. Sorry it's taken so long to respond. What part of Hawaii are you visiting? Kona is on the west side of the island and Hilo is the east. I only had a chance to play 1 course in Kona. It was a resort course. The rest of the time, I spent on the Kohala coast (north). Played 4 courses on 2 resorts. All were very nice with slightly different features. The most beautiful, and still my favorite is Mauna Kea King's course. Have a great trip!
Kickntrue says:
We added a new stat that shows how many miles you've played. You have a very impressive number!
Kickntrue says:
M2D- We added additional controls to the leaderboard that lets you now source by scores entered. It doesn't eliminate the clowns- but you can at least narrow it down and get rid of some of the jokers.
jonbarlan says:
like amccall says, play the waikoloa courses. kona country club is nice, you're playing at sea level. makalei golf course takes you up into the mountains.
amccall says:
Big Island...not a lot of experience playing over there, but both of the Waikaloa courses are great: Beach Course is the more scenic one, with a phenominal 12th hole; the King's course is a nice and challenging links course. www.waikoloabeachresort.com/golf.php. Good luck!
fmeeks says:
how are u not shooting in the 70's work on ur putting
bugolfer71 says:
Thanks for the nice comment Merlin.
falcon50driver says:
I feel like I should be scoring better too. Maybe it's the putting.
DeepRough says:
92% driving...40% GIR, you should be shooting in the 70s all the time! nice stats merlin!
jdaly says:
Your fairway hits are insane! Very nice, keep it up!
Kickntrue says:
Welcome back
ironmaster15213 says:
Way to go with that 84, looks like midseason form :-)
Richard E Hance says:
Man look at that driving accuracy! Awesome.
ironmaster15213 says:
Happy new year to you and thank you for your kind words. Keep up the fine golfing, I'd love to have an accuracy rating of 90%. Fellow golf lover Frank


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"I adapted this recipe from one given to me by my first best friend, Sandy, in 1966," said Judy Harris of McRae, Georgia. "I often made it for my children and now when they come home for a visit, they still love it. I shared this recipe with a local restaurant owner and he tweaked it for his menu."
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- 2/3 cup graham cracker crumbs
- 2 tablespoons brown sugar
- 2 tablespoons butter, melted
- 4 ounces cream cheese, softened
- 1 tablespoon confectioners' sugar
- 1 cup whipped topping
- 1-1/4 cups cherry pie filling
- In a small bowl, combine the cracker crumbs, brown sugar and butter; press into an ungreased 9x5-in. loaf pan.
- In a large bowl, beat cream cheese and confectioners' sugar until smooth; fold in whipped topping. Spread over crust. Top with pie filling. Chill until serving. Yield: 4 servings.
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