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|March 15th, 2010, 08:03 PM
November 7, 1958 - July 22, 2011
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AK Anchorage Oscar's Place Restaurant 40% 3 I opened my door 13 years ago to give the common man a place to go. Now 3 years after the do gooders passed the smoking ban, my business still hasn't recovered, and I may have to close my doors forever.
AL Montgomery Montgomery Brewing Company Restaurant & Bar 40% The manager said he is losing customers and his business has decreased sharply since the city's smoking ordinance went into effect
AR Fayetteville Cafe Santa Fe Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
AR Fayetteville Casa Taco Restaurant Closed 100% 100% "Sales dropped off tically. We lost our late-night business ... a lot of people come in after the bars close."
AR Fayetteville Hoffbrau Bar/Rest Closed 100% 100% Before closing, The Hoffbrau reported a 50% drop in liquor sales due to the ban.
AR Fayetteville Ozark Brewing Co Brew Pub Closed 100% 100%
AZ Tempe Crocodile Cafe Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
AZ Tempe Pooch's Easy Street Billiards Pool Hall Closed 100% 100%
CA Bell The Lika Club Tavern 60%
CA Clearlake Oaks Dunkhouse Saloon Tavern 50%
CA Escondido Fireside Lounge Tavern 70%
CA Lakewood Grand Central Casino Casino 42% 15 Since the ban took effect in February, liquor sales are down 42 percent and food sales have dropped 25 percent. Fifteen employees have been laid off and another 40 to 50 jobs are in jeopardy.
CA Lancaster Calico Saloon Tavern 30% 5
CA Long Beach Daddy's Lounge Tavern 35% 3
CA San Luis Obispo Laurel Bowl Bowling Alley Closed 100% 100% 385 league bowlers quit when the smoking ban went into effect, with a loss of $200,000. Laurel Bowl had been in business for 37 years before the ban.
CA Santa Fe Rim Ram Tavern 75-90% Before the smoking ban, we would take in about nine-hundred dollars on Wednesday nights. The week following the start of the smoking ban we barely made three-hundred dollars. The next week we only made seventy-five dollars, and we made even less in the weeks following,"
CA Soulsbyville The Old Dog House Tavern Closed 100% 100%
CA Tulare Doherty's Tavern 66%
CA Tulare Marco Polo Lounge Tavern 80% "On nights where we allow our patrons to smoke, we make about $120 a night. Last Monday we didn't allow our customers to smoke. Our total sales were five dollars."
CA Willow Femino's Blue Gum Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Acton Red Dog Cafe Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Ajax BB's Bar & Grill Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Ajax Chatts Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Ajax Harp & Hound Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Ajax Puk & Beaver Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Ajax Raven & Firkin Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Ajax Sword and Stone Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Ajax Taps Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Ajax The Arctic Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Ajax Thirsty Monk Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Alberta All rest, bar, bingo 40% Consumer prices are going to go up for menu items, Lindy Rollingson, president and CEO of the Alberta Restaurant and Foodservices Association, said yesterday. "There just isn't anywhere else to move."
CANADA Barrie Coffee Time Coffee Shop 50% 100%
CANADA Beauceville, QC Paul Toulouse Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Cambridge Bud's Place Tavern 23% 5
CANADA Castlegar Gardeli's Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Chamberlain Ralph's Place Restaurant/ Diner 75% Jackie Bradley, Owner says, There is no future here.
CANADA Chatham Eightball VIP Sports Cafe Sports Bar 40% 2
CANADA Country Various Places various www. pubcoalition. com/ Bars and pubs sales were reduced: 23.5% in Ottawa, 18.7% in London, 24.3% in Kingston and 20.4% in Kitchener.
CANADA Crescentwood Tubbys Pizza Pizza Parlor 20% 2
CANADA Dunnville nastys Sports Bar 37%
CANADA Edmonton Bingo Halls Charity 50% In the first 6 months of the ban.
CANADA Edmonton Epcor Café & Deli Café Closed 100% 100% "The place used to be packed with smokers every morning until the bylaw came in."
CANADA Edmonton Jimmy Ray's Sports Bar & Lounge Bar Closed 100% Business had been down 30 to 35 per-cent each month
CANADA Edmonton Pucks at Coliseum Inn Bar 18 jobs The bar is now closed on Monday and Tuesday nights.
CANADA Edmonton Sherlock Holmes Pub and The Rose & Crown Pub Bars 40% Manager Pat Tarbox reported loss. Tarbox's hubby butts up against smoke ban. It's hurting his bar business says man who was married to anti-smoking crusader.
CANADA Edmonton The Moose Factory Restaurant 35% Tom Goodchild said it's devastating, and had to lay off employees.
CANADA Fort St. John Alexander Mackenzie Inn Hotel 92% 16 "Since we were `beaten' into compliance by the WCB, our business has dropped in the lounge from $1,000 a day to $80. "
CANADA Gander Father's Place 40% My business is down 40 per cent and everyone's in the same boat. I haven't come across one person who hasn't lost revenue, so we have to do something. This is important to everyone right across the province.
CANADA Girardville Martine St-Froze Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Goose Bay Happy Valley Nightclub Closed 100% 100% After the smoking ban, it was like somebody turned on a light. It was just nobody there absolutely nobody, said Lethbridge.
CANADA Halifax Stage Nine Bar & Grill Closed 100% 100% The owners blamed the smoking ban.
CANADA Inuvik Inuvik Curling Club Private Club 66% The president of Inuvik's Curling Club predicts it will lose $40,000 by the end of the year, and says the town's smoking by-law is to blame.
CANADA Johnstown Bingo International 43 Charities Closed 100% Goodwin said the final straw was the province wide smoking ban.
CANADA Kingston Larry's Pit Stop Tavern 49% 1
CANADA Kitchener Mingles Coffee Shoppe Coffee Shop Closed 100% 100% Before Closing, Mingles saw a 45% drop in sales.
CANADA Laval, QC L'Amical Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Markham Coffee Time Coffee Shop Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Midland Cellarman's Alehouse Tavern 35% Friday nights used to generate $2,400-$3,100 before the smoking ban. Since the ban those numbers dropped to $900-$1,400.
CANADA Montreal Davidoff Cigar Store Closed 100% 100%
CANADA New Brunswick Various Places 24% Pubs and bars in New Brunswick suffered a 24% drop in liquor sales in the first month of a ban similar to the one passed in Ontario.
CANADA Niagara Region Literacy Council Charity Bingo Closed 100% 100% Now pleading with the public for cash.
CANADA Ontario 250 various pubs pubs Closed 100% 100% Newsletter article page #3806
CANADA Ontario Tourist Spending 7%
CANADA Ontario Various Places 25% Sales at the average Ontario pub, bar and nightclub have fallen by 25% and 4,100 jobs have been lost in this sector.
CANADA Oshawa Flying Squirrel Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Oshawa Konfusions Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Oshawa Micky Finns Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Oshawa Queen's Hotel Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Oshawa The Castle Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Oshawa The Wall Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Oshawa Winchester Arms (2 locations) Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Ottawa Beacon Hill Arms Tavern Closed 100% 100% Dave O'Connor, who successfully ran Ottawa's Beacon Hill Arms pub for nine years, said the ban forced him out of business. "From September to February, we lost close to $80,000 in sales"
CANADA Ottawa Hemingway's Bar/Restaraunt 40% 6
CANADA Ottawa Sky Garden Restaurant Closed 100% 100% / 6 "It was 100% because of the bylaw. Sales dropped 50%. Our cups of coffee were down 400 to 500 a day, our meals 20 to 30 a day."
CANADA Owen Sound Beach Brothers Bar Closed 100% 100% There were only 3 bars in a city with almost 22,000, with a small college. This makes the count of bars at 2, with this historical building being built and used since 1887 as a hotel.
CANADA Pickering Melanie Pringles Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Polo Park Branigan's Tavern Closed 100% 100% / 50
CANADA Portage la Prairie Royal Canadian Legion Branch No. 65 Club 30% Itll make a big hole in the community, branch president Keith Hutchinson said.
CANADA Prince Rupert Rupert Pub Tavern Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Regina Casinos 33% To counter the impact of the ban, the gaming corporation increased advertising and hired more staff, resulting in a 14 per cent increase in expenses.
CANADA Riverton Sandy Bar Hotel Hotel Closed 100% 100% Rob Charrier said he was forced to close, had been open since 1947.
CANADA Saskatchewan Confederation Bingo Bingo Closed 100% I'm guessing they're sitting at home, having a cigarette at home and finding other forms of entertainment, said Randy Gudmundson.
CANADA Saskatoon Royal Canadian Legion Bar 50% He says even the non-smokers have stopped coming because they can't hang out with their smoking buddies.
CANADA St. Albert The Patch Tavern 70%
CANADA St. Thomas Burty Bob's Bar Closed 100% Daniels blamed inequitable enforcement of the citys smoking ban.
CANADA St-Hubert, QC Le Brooklyn Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Thunder Bay Empire Hotel Hotel 40% I am doing the best that I can considering my limited space to work with to accommodate my customers and to help my business survive. It seems to me that our city council is not interested in supporting us in any way.
CANADA Thunder Bay Kilroy's Sports Pub & Billiards 25% Strapped for cash, the business reduced its sponsorship of local sports teams, laid off staff and reduced business hours.
CANADA Thunder Bay Newfie's Pub Bar 20% In my opinion, the city was very unfair in the first place to impose a 100 per cent no-smoking by-law without any concessions, options, or regard for the bar operators and our customers.
CANADA Thunder Bay The Aurora Grill Bar & Grill Closed 100% 100% Doug Fraser and Cheryl Klause cant compete with ban against Casino.
CANADA Thunder Bay Thunderbolts Swim Club Bingo Hall Closed 100% 100% Closed because of ban, no money now for the kids.
CANADA Tilsbury Mr. B's Restaurant Closed 41%
CANADA Tornoto Cobalt Tavern 50% "You build this business, and you're proud of it, and all of a sudden the city makes this blind decision...places like us get totally screwed."
CANADA Toronto Bovine Sex Club Tavern 50%
CANADA Toronto Elements Nightclub Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Toronto Elsewhere Bar & Grill Tavern 100% We cut staff early to save cost and boredom. The City of Toronto promised us a deluge of non-smokers who would be deliriously happy to visit us because we're non-smoking. Where are they?
CANADA Toronto Strathmore Bingo Bingo Hall Closed 100% 21 Closed for 2 months. "Net revenue in May was very low with each charity only receiving $45 per session they worked," said Mr. Brock. "This is compared to the (ore-ban) average of about $100 per session."
CANADA Toronto The Spotted Dick Taverm 60%
CANADA Vancover Bacchus Nightclub 100% 100% In its first two years, it regularly would close to its 275-person indoors capacity, Sorochan {the owner} says. As business dwindled, you'd be lucky to find 60 patrons on hand.
CANADA Wallaceburg Sam's Hotel Tavern 60-70 "(Business is down) probably 60-70 per cent (at night) and 90 per cent in the daytime."
CANADA Whitby Cannucksters Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Whitby Chitchats Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Whitby Otter and Firkin Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Whitehorse Coffee Shop Coffee Shop Closed 100% 100% Owner sues over ban for 5.6 million.
CANADA Whitehourse The Coffee Bar Coffee Shop 50%
CANADA Windsor 30 Various Places Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Including: Parthenon, Fireman's Bar & Grill, Atrio, Raine's Cafe, Gustoso, Changez Nite Club, Koko Pellies, Ye Olde Grand Tavern, X-Treme Night Club, Wolley Bulleys, Angolo Blu Cafe, Faces on College, The Junction.
CANADA Windsor Classic 2 Bingo Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Windsor Derby Community Bingo Bingo Closed 100% 100% We were not convinced this hall could survive the non-smoking legislation."
CANADA Windsor Hollywood Bingo Bingo Closed 100% 100% affecting more than 90 charities and almost 100 employees
CANADA Winnipeg Happy Joe's Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
CANADA Yellowknife MacKenzie Lounge Tavern 80%
CO Colorado Springs El Tejon Restaurant Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
CO Fort Collins Hooters Restaurant Closed 100% . "Ban killed it"
CO Grand Junction Corral Pool Hall 50% The hordes of people promised by the Cancer society and the Lung Associations have failed to appear.
CO Greeley Red Garter Lounge Tavern 45%
CO Greeley Roasty's Steakhouse Restaraunt 60%
CO Greeley Union Colony Brewery Brew Pub Closed 100% 100%
CO Louisville Bart's Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Bart's had been in operation for nearly 30 years.
CO Pueblo Assorted Tavern Closed 100% "The smoking ban affected the bars in Pueblo quite drastically. We've had six to 10 bars close since the smoking ban started," said Chuck Chavez, owner of the Sunset Inn.
CO Pueblo Bruno's Beer Joynt Tavern Closed 100%
CO Pueblo Mugsy's Tavern Closed 100%
CO Pueblo Pepper's Tavern Closed 100%
CO Pueblo Silver Saddle Tavern Closed 100%
CO Pueblo Town Tavern Tavern Closed 100%
CO Steamboat The Golden Cue Bar Closed 100% 100% Over thirty neighborhood pubs and taverns have closed since this ill-conceived and oppressive law was passed which denies' people their right to free choice.
CT Bristol Tracie's Pub Tavern 40% My business has dropped about 30 to 40 percent since the smoking ban. I've spoken with a lot of bar owners in town and they all have the same problem.
CT Colchester Moriarty's Pub Closed 100% 100% After nearly two decades in business, Moriarty's Pub was done in by the ban on smoking, its owner said.
CT Cromwell Saw Mill Pub Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
CT Fairfield Bear and Grill Bar/Restaurant 30-40% "I used to close down at 1 a.m. Now I close down at 9:30. The next three hours are dead."
CT Hartford A-Vend, Inc. Vending 60% Hurt by the trickle down effect of the ban.
CT Meriden La Primavera Restaurant Closed 100% When the statewide smoking ban snuffed out cigarettes in his bar area last October, 80 percent of his business went up in smoke. The restaurant was one of the few family restaurants remaining in the city.
CT Montville Brown Derby Tavern 50%
CT New London Nowhere Café Restaurant 80% Diane Batte-Holmgren said business will only get worse as winter draws closer.
CT New London Sundowner Restaurant Restaurant 30% 2 He's laid off two employees and is asking waiters to double up on shifts.
CT Norwich Pinstripes Sports Bar Closed 100% 100%
CT Norwich Pinstripes Sports Cafe Sports Bar Closed 100% 100%
CT Old Saybrook Adreanas Restaurant Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
CT Stamford Rack N' Roll Pool Hall 30%
CT Wallingford T-Bowl Lanes Bowling 50% 50% "Income cut in half, that's a big chunk of my business" says Carmen Izzi.
CT Waterbury Bobby D's Café Bar/Night Club 60% Our day business is mostly blue collar with many contractors and factory workers who come in after work. 90 percent of the customers in my bar smoke.
CT Windsor Locks Cargo's Café Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
DE Bear Just Mugs Saloon Tavern 33%
DE Newark Desiree Mulford's Breakers Bar and Billiards 70% After a 70 percent decrease in business, Mulford decided to allow smoking at Breakers despite the new law.
DE Wilmington Back Stage Cafe Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% / 20
DE Wilmington Coach House Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% / 8
DE Wilmington Naamans Cafe Restaurant Closed 100% 100% / 8
FL Cape Coral Collier Lee Vending Vending Machines 40% N/A We have over 60 customer accounts in 4 counties all of which have shown losses of 25% to 60% since the start of the ban.
FL Cutler Ridge Old Cutler Oyster Company Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Has been fighting the ban since it went into effect.
FL Fort Walton Elks #1795 (Private Club) Lodge Private Club 40% 22% "Charity money is down 45%. Our Charities are Kids of Florida and the Veterans. That is who is really getting hurt the most by this!"
FL Ft. Pierce Elks Private Club 50% (Bingo "Our Charity money is down 50% or more over this time last year. We are going to be able to spend only about $5,000.00 this year on our Christmas programs vs. $12,000.00 plus last year. The Christmas programs include Salvation Army, Waterfront Mission, Sharing and Caring (food bank) and then we take needy families shopping for food, clothes and a few toys for the kids. We did about 17 families
FL Jupiter (and Miller's Ale House (35 Locations) After the law took effect July 1, 2003, the Ale House chain experienced the first decline in business in its 15-year history, said Dave Reid, vice president for operations. ...For the first five months of 2004 alcoholic beverages sales were down $2 million compared with January through May of 2003"
FL Lake Wales Cherry Pocket Restraunt 30% 30% Small business work so hard for their business, it is hard to believe the Goverment can just take it away without any thought at all.
FL Naples The Falls Restaurant Closed 100% 100% "We lost 70 percent of our income," Renzello said. "The law put us out of business." 90 percent of her customers were smokers.
FL New Port Richey Gulf Harbor Yacht Club Private Club 68%
FL North Fort Jerseys Sports Cafe Sports Bar 25% 20% / 4 Whatever happened to the individuals freedom to choose where you go and what you do in public?
FL Pensacola Beach Elks #2256 (Private Club) Lodge Private Club 20% 30% "We've lost 70 members because of the ban"
FL Plantation Elks #2273 (Private Club) Lodge Private Club 60% 60% / 1
FL Port Charlotte Melons Bar & Grill Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% / 4 Before closing they experienced a 50% loss in sales and a 60% loss in tips becuase of the smoking ban.
FL St.James City Double Nichol Pub Tavern 10% 10% / 3
FL Tampa Toucans Bar & Grill 30-40% 50% / 3
FL Thonotosas Grandma's Kitchen Restaurant Closed 100% 100% / 5
FL Venice Bogey's Restaurant/Sports Pub >20%
FL West Palm Beach Zook's "It has almost put me out of business. We are down about 45 percent for each month," Zook said. "Our food sales were 48 percent of our business. Now they are down to 10 percent. A lot of people who had drinks with lunch or dinner are not coming in now. They can't eat here."
FL Wildwood Buddy's BBQ Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
GA State Huddle House Restaurant 75% Within the week those who meet there on a regular basis to drink coffee, smoke, converse and yes to eat have reduced by 75%.
IL Chicago The Jazz Showcase Bar Closed 100% 100%
IL Sangamon County American Legion Post # 32 50%
IL Sangamon County Bernie & Bettys 40%
IL Sangamon County Cheers 50%
IL Sangamon County D.H. Browns 50%
IL Sangamon County JWs Lounge 40%
IL Sangamon County Knuckleheads 40%
IL Sangamon County Macs Lounge 25%
IL Sangamon County Spillway Lanes Bowling 25%
IL Sangamon County Stadium 40%
IL Sangamon County Track Shack 42%
IL Skokie Village Inn Sports Bar 37% 6
IL Springfield Fairview Restaurant Closed 100% 100% He estimated that before the ban, some 70 percent of his patrons smoked.
IL Urbana Margarita's Restaurant Restaurant 10% In first 3 weeks of ban, Victor Hernandez says it's already hurting his business.
IL Vernon Hills Slate Street Billiards Closed 100% 100% Basically, were losing our whole lives, said Pam Grimm, who with her husband, Dave, started new careers when they bought the business
IN Madison Cabana Joe's Bar/Restaurant 50% Torline installed a ventilation system that is designed to filter smoke from the air.
IRELAND Assorted 200 pubs pubs Closed 100% 100% The Vintners Federation of Ireland told an Oireachtas committee yesterday that 7,600 jobs had been lost in the hospitality industry since the bans introduction, while 200 pubs had also closed down.
IRELAND Dublin Bewley's Oriental Cafe Tea and Coffee Shop Closed 100% 100% The shop, located on Westmoreland St, had been in business since 1986
IRELAND Dublin Bewley's Oriental Cafe Tea and Coffee Shop Closed 100% 100% The Grafton Street Shop had been open since 1927.
IRELAND Dublin MacTurcails 20%
IRELAND Eyre Square Fibber Magees Closed 100% 100% ``We're damned if we do and damned if we don't,'' Lawless said {Defying the law}. ``We're either going to go out of business or be put out of business.'' Before closing the bar suffered loses of 66%
IRELAND Various 800 Pubs Pubs Closed 100% 100% Newsletter article page #3601
KS Lawrence Hereford House 40% 16
KS Lawrence The Meat Market Bar/ Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
KY Lexington Friends and Company Bar/Restaraunt 30% The restaurant has experienced the lowest revenue in the last 19 months.
KY Lexington Lynagh's Pub Bar/Restruant 40% "Smokers still come, but not as often and they don't stay as long. "
KY Lexington Maxwell's Tavern Closed 100% 100% Maxwells had been open for 14 years.
KY Lexington Nicholson's Cigar Bar Cigar Bar 100% 100% Owners of Nicholson's Cigar Bar say it didn't make sense to operate a smoke-less cigar bar
KY Tatets Creek Jackpot Bingo 50% The Tates Creek High School Marching Band stands to lose about $80,000 this year in bingo money.
MA Bradford Pockets Billiards Pool Hall 100% 100% Closed after 11 years!
MA Cambridge Bud's Place 23% 500%
MA Chicopee Falls Blue Room Cafe Tavern 25% The business has been open since 1936
MA Fall River Gold Mine Restaraunt Bar/Restaraunt 50% 50% / 2 "There should be places for both the smoker and nonsmoker. I do not smoke but you are killing our business!!! "
MA Hingham Aloha Tavern Closed 100% 100%
MA Marlboro Marlboro Cozy Cafe 60% 2 We had 5 employees, now have 3 and that includes me. If this is result of one month of the ban after 35yrs in business I may have to close my doors.
MA South Weymouth J.C. Grears Tavern Closed 100% 100% "Decimated after the ban."
MA South Weymouth J.C. Grear's Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
MA Springfield Blarney Stone Tavern 25%
MA Springfield City Line Cafe Tavern 50% "People are complaining about it. They're saying 'Why go out for a drink when I can buy a six-pack and sit at home?' It's really hurting us."
MA Weymouth Various Places 50% Owners told the Town Council Business is down 50 percent since the ban went into effect.
MD Bethesda Uncle Jed's Roadhouse Tavern 50% 70% / 2 ...Smaller establishments have seen total sales decline by an average of 30 percent during the week and 50 percent on weekends, according to Melvin Thompson, vice president of the Restaurant Association of Maryland
MD Fort Washington Martinis Restaurant & Lounge Bar/Restaurant 70% 70%/10 It was false for people to believe that a bar would suddenly be filled with nonsmokers.
MD Gaithersburg Anchor Inn restaurant Closed 100% 100% Since the ban was implemented October 2003 Anchor Inn suffered a 40 percent loss in Keno, beer, wine, liquor and food sales.
MD Gaithersburg Buffalo Billiards Pool Hall Closed 100% 100%
MD Gaithersburg Buffalo Wings and Beer Bar/Restaurant 50%
MD Gaithersburg Gentleman Jim's Restaurant 40%
MD Gaithersburg J.J. Muldoon's Bar/Restaurant 20%
MD Gaithersburg Mrs. O'Leary's Restaurant and Pub 50%
MD Germantown Middlebrook Restaurant and Lounge Bar/Restaurant 50% "I'm so bitter today because I have worked too hard to keep this business going. It's just not fair."
MD Germantown Pelican Pete's Restaurant 60%
MD Olney Grand Marquis Caf 30%
MD Olney Stained Glass Pub Tavern 30%
MD Poolesville Potomac Valley Lodge Lodge 17% 75% / 4 "I think in the future we'll have to close in the winter. We'll lay everyone off, let them collect unemployment for a few months and bring them back. They'd make more on unemployment."
MD Potomac Normandie Farm's Bar/Restruant 50% 2
MD Rockville Mark Timmons Tavern 20%
MD Rockville Silver Fountain Restaurant Restaurant 33%
MD Silver Spring Corner Pub Tavern 40%
MD Silver Spring Dietle's Tavern Tavern Closed 100%
MD Silver Spring Quarry House Tavern 70% New customers who come to the bar because it's smoke-free don't bring in the revenue that smokers did, she said. "They have one beer, a glass of water and something to eat," she said, whereas smokers tend to stay longer and eat and drink more alcohol.
MD Wheaton Anchor Inn Inn Closed 100% 100%
ME Bangor Pat's Café Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% The LAST neighborhood beer joint closed from ban, 7/30/06
ME Biddeford Nutshell Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100%
ME Fryeburg Village Variety Closed 100%
ME Houlton Black Duck Lounge Tavern 70% "I've never seen it like this before. It's like all the customers just disappeared."
ME Rockland Waterworks Restaurant 50%
ME Waterville John Martin's Restaurant 25%
MN Beltrami County Dale's Closed 100% 100%
MN Beltrami County Git R Done Closed 100% 100%
MN Beltrami County Mason's Closed 100% 100%
MN Beltrami County Northwoods Steak House Closed 100% 100%
MN Beltrami County Pour Willies 71 Bar Closed 100% 100%
MN Beltrami County Union Station Closed 100% 100%
MN Bemidji Bemidji Area Youth Hockey Pull tab charity 40%
MN Bemidji Corner Bar Food and Liquor has gone down $51-$52K
MN Bemidji Keg N Cork Mitch Rautio writes: We lost $56K gross revenue in 2005 due to loss of customers who no longer patronize our business because of the smoking ban
MN Bemidji Legion Club Private Club Their club receipts are down $10K per month (liquor and food), their gambling proceeds are down 55%, they went from $2.8 million in gambling receipts in 2005 to $1.3 million in 2006. Because of that, the State Gambling Board thought something was wrong and has audited them 5 times!!! Nothing was wrong, it is just the loss of business.
MN Bemidji Mason's His sales are down $7 to $8K per month, he changed his hours from opening at 11:00 to opening at 3:00, by doing so has lost lunch business and laid off people.
MN Bemidji Moose Club Private Club 45% Amy Chilson reports: 1. Our gross revenue has decreased by 45% 2. Our pull tab revenue has decreased by 50% 3. We went from 5 paid employees to 2 part-time; our bartenders are all volunteers. Our hours went from noon-11:00 Mon - Thurs, noon - 1 on Fri-Sat to 3pm - 10pm Mon-Thurs, 3pm - midnight Fri& Sat.
MN Bemidji North Country Snowmobile Club Pull tab charity 40%
MN Bemidji Slims Bar and Grill Has an established food business, cant put in a smoking room, there is no place to put it.
MN Bemidji The Eagles Club Private Club Added a smoking room, during bar bingo on Saturday 2/10 there were 37 people in the smoking room and 4 in the non-smoking area.
MN Bemidji The Garden Their smoking room cost them $35K
MN Blackduck American Legion Post #372 Private Club 25% ... gross revenue decreased 25.4%, and pulltab revenue for Jan 06 compared to Jan 07 is down $3500 in just one month. In 2006 we donated $62,700.57 back into our community. If we continue to lose $3500 a month this year, that is $42K less we will be able to distribute!!
MN Blackduck The Pond Is down in the double digits in on-sale, have built a smoking room which cost nearly $10K and are looking at an additional $1500 to meet an additional county requirement.
MN Blackduck Trails End Restaurant 25% manager taking one additional shift per day
MN Bloomington Bloomington Park Tavern Tavern Closed 100%
MN Cloquet Grandma's Restaraunt 33%
MN Crystal VFW donations 46% Money lost to the smoking ban, she said, is money lost for local charities.
MN Duluth Perkins Restaraunt 26%
MN Long Lake Larry's Lounge Tavern Closed 100%
MN Mall of America Jillians hi-Life Lanes, Player's Bar & Grill, America's Original Sports Bar Closed 100% The smoking ban hurt all of us a lot more than we thought it would, said Andy Kostka, manager of the Hooters restaurant in the mall.
MN Mankato Embers Restaurant Closed 100% Cole talked about his decision stoically. His wife, Nicole, was less reserved. She couldnt fight back tears while talking about how much shes going to miss her co-workers and customers.
MN Minneapolis Breakaway Luke asks you to please come in!
MN Minneapolis Dusty's Bar Bar 40% People don't want to be outside. So, they don't come... You talk to the night staff and they feel a bigger crunch than I do. They're not happy at all." To help make up for lost business, Dusty's, like many other establishments in Minneapolis, has added outdoor patios where customers can smoke.
MN Minneapolis Gabby's Restaurant 26% 10 Owner Jeffrey Ormond is in second legal challenge. Ormond co-founded the Minneapolis Hospitality Association, a group of more than 60 bars and restaurants in Hennepins largest city.
MN Minneapolis Lion's Club Private Club 25% Michael Kuduk says the lost business is hurting charitable gambling as well.
MN Minneapolis Molly Quinn's Closed 100% Lamphear says in fact, trouble began for him the first day the law went into effect.
MN Minneapolis Porters Closed 100%
MN Minneapolis The Viking Bar Bar Closed 100% 100% "The smoking ban did us in," said Mike Nelson, whose family has owned the bar for all of its 47 years.
MN MN Gambling Conrol Board State Gambling 36% charitable gambling revenue
MN Osseo Duffy's Bar and Grill Bar 35% Duffy told the board that Anoka County, with its restriction-free smoking, is a welcoming sight to his customers and only five minutes away.
MN St. Cloud GW Coffee and Tobacco 50% Will likely close its East Side shop in October, around the business' 12th anniversary, owner Marilyn Held said.
MN St. Paul Mike's Bar Bar Closed 100% 100%
MN Tenstrike Desperados 40% Their sales are down 40%. She has gone from two full-time employees to 3 part-time.
MN Turtle River The Other Place 35% 1
MN Turtle River Turtle Creek Saloon 38% 2 Sales are down 38%, and their pull-tab revenue (for the snowmobile club) is down 30%. He has let two people go, changed his hours, and is closing one extra day per week.
MN Various list online Closed 100% 2,500 jobs 97 more places now listed as closed
MN Waskish West Wind "Our food revenue in 2006 decreased $46,813. and our liquor revenue decreased $29,277." (This is from a business which should have anticipated an increase, due to the resumption of fishing on Red Lake.) She goes on to say" That results in a 17% decrease in food sales and a 29% decrease in liquor sales. Do you think the MN Dep of Revenue, which receives the sales tax we collect for them notices?"
MN Tobacco City Tobacco Shop Closed 100% 100%
MO Ballwin Longhorn Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
ND Grand Forks Bingo Palace Bingo Hall 95%
ND Minot NDAD Nonprofit Bingo 48%
ND Moorehead Vic's Lounge 40% I used to have a nice family crowd, and now I dont anymore, Fergen said.
ND West Fargo VFW Private Club 40%
ND Williston Bingo Barn Charity Bingo Closed 100% 100% Officials say the state's law that bans most indoor smoking is the reason.
NE Lincoln 25 separate Bars and Grills 27% Desperate for customers, downtown bars have begun discounting alcohol.
NE Lincoln Big John Billards Billiards Closed 100% 100% Anderson said Big John's is not for sale and is not available for lease. She said it would reopen if the smoking ban is overturned.
NE Lincoln Cheerleaders Bar & Grill Bar/Grill 30% "I will be very lucky to survive over the summer," Borgmann said.
New Zealand Dannevirke Masonic Hotel Closed 100% The smoking ban has devastated the lives of Mark and Raewyn Payne, owners of the Masonic, a business they took over two years ago. In the period prior to the ban, they had a thriving business, with two full-time and three part-time employees.
New Zealand Foxton Post Office Hotel Restaurant 66% New Zealand hotel has smoking bus out front
New Zealand Napier BAT Factory Closed 100% 170 jobs Napier Mayor Barbara Arnott said the loss of so many jobs would be difficult for any city to manage.
New Zealand Rotorua Lake House Hotel 50% Ian Frith and Teresa Scallys story confirms the smoking ban in bars has struck hard upon some hotel owners and licensees, and is placing businesses in jeopardy.
NJ Various 56 various Bar/Restaurant 50% 50%
NY Albany Blessed Sacrament Church Bingo Hall 50%
NY Albany Temple Israel Bingo Hall 50% According to Herb Holland, some of the regulars told volunteers that they would abstain from playing bingo, to protest the smoking ban. He hasn't seen them since.
NY Astoria Athens Cafe Restaurant 55% 10
NY Auburn Kim's Trackside Tavern Tavern 25% 25% Our local cayuga county health dept. continues to refuse to issue smoking waivers to businesses who have suffered a financial hardship.
NY Bath Hotel McDonald Hotel 70%
NY Bath Just One More Tavern 30%
NY Bellerose Finish Line Bar/Restaurant 40% 2
NY Binghamton Airport Inn Tavern 40% Evans says business has dropped at least 40-percent in the last year. Her liquor license expires next April, and she says, she doesn't plan on renewing it. The Airport Inn was a successful business for 18 years.
NY Binghamton Edigan's Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
NY Binghamton Mama Lena's Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Mama Lena's had been in business for more than 40 years.
NY Binghamton Yesterday's Restaurant & Lounge Closed 100% 100% Mike and Suzanne Gavazzi closed after 18 years.
NY Brewster The Roadhouse Tavern 40%
NY Broadalbin The Lodge at the Lake Inc Bar/Restaurant 50% 1
NY Bronx Fieldstone Recreation Billiard/Bar/Snacks 40% 1
NY Buffalo American Legion Post 1041 Bingo Hall 68%
NY Buffalo Amherst Bowling Center Bowling Alley Closed 100%
NY Buffalo B&G Bar and Grill Bar/Restaurant 30%
NY Buffalo Cabaret Tavern 40% 1
NY Buffalo Cook Bar & Grill Bar/Restaurant 40% 2
NY Buffalo Freddies Bar/Restaurant 50%
NY Buffalo Pocketeer Billiards Pool Hall 60-70% "The President says small business is the backbone of our country, NYS says screw small business just give us your money and your blood! All of it!!!!!!
NY Buffalo Susie's Corner Bar/Restaurant 23% 1
NY Buffalo The Royal Pheasant Restaurant Closed 100% 100% / 20 The smoking ban caused an instant 80 percent decrease in revenue. The Royal Phesant had been a family business for 58 years.
NY Buffalo Voelker Bowling Center Bowling Alley 30-40% The smoking ban hit us like an anvil, curtailing bowling activity by 30 to 40 percent and the bar business by 20 to 30 percent.
NY Camden Harter's Bar/Restaurant 40%
NY Camden Liberty Lanes Bowling 27%
NY Canandaigua Canandaigua Billiards Pool Hall 40%
NY Champlain Stumble Inn Tavern Closed 100% 100%
NY Cheektowaga Metropolitan Restaurant Bar/Restaurant 25% 2
NY Cheektowaga Peter K's Bar/Restaurant 35% 2
NY Chestnut Ridge Silo's Bar & Grill 35%
NY Cicero Damon's Party House Tavern 40%
NY Clay Richard's Ole Timer Bar/Restaurant 17% 1
NY Cold Brook Clifford's Tavern Bar/Restaurant 40%
NY Corfu Dadio's Central Tavern 30%
NY Cortland Argyle's EasyStreet Tavern Tavern 12%
NY Cotati Friar Tuck's Restaurant 50% "Just as my establishment was beginning to flourish, I'm hit with this smoking ban which has killed my daytime business. People who used to stay for a couple of hours now only stay for one quick drink and leave."
NY Delhi Blinkey's Tavern Closed 100% 100%
NY East Randolph VFW Post 6533 Private Club 20% 25%
NY Elmira Heights American Legion Private Club 60% 50%
NY Elmira Heights Blondie's Tavern Tavern 25%
NY Endicott O's Place Tavern Closed 100% 100%
NY Endwell O's Place Closed 100% 100%
NY Falconer Chances Tavern Closed 100% 100%
NY Falconer Mel's Place Tavern 78% 100% After proving they had lost significant business, Mel's place was granted of the NY's few waivers. Their business immediately returned to the pre ban level, but the owners are worried about what will happen when the waiver runs out in a year.
NY Fredonia Barker Brew Pub Brew Pub Closed 100% 100% Closed after 10 yrs. in business
NY Frewsburg The Loft Tavern 30% "Our town has no attractions to draw in outsiders. We have only locals to rely on as patrons and 95% of them smoke. It will be worse when the snow sets in."
NY Fulton Fulton Ale House Tavern 75% Owner Joe Mancino may have to give up his business of 35 years.
NY Goshen The Wonderbar Tavern 50%
NY Hyde Park KayCey's Tavern 45%
NY Ithica Bowl-O-Drome Bowling Alley 14% 2 TThe business lost almost $30,000 and 110 bowlers during the 32-week league season... In the bowling alley's busiest months between January and May, Parkin saw a 14 percent decrease in activity comparing the same period in 2004 to 2003.
NY Jackson Heights La Bataclana Tavern Closed 100% 100%
NY Jamestown Coin Operated Amusements Vending Machines 20-50% Revenue from vending machines and games cut in half in many places.
NY Jamestown Elks Lodge (Private Club) Private Club Closed 100% Bingo, which funded their charitable work, is now completely shut down.
NY Jamestown Fountain Bowl Bowling Alley 40% N/A / 8
NY Jamestown Mr. D's Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
NY Jamestown Patsy's Lounge Tavern 50% / 2 "I have let 2 employees go and the other 3 have had their hours cut in half."
NY Jamestown Tommy's Place Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
NY Jamestown Windsor Ale House Tavern Closed 100% 100%
NY Johnstown Partner's Pub Bar/Restaurant 20% 1
NY Kennedy Crossroads Steak House Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
NY Lake George Lemon Peel Lounge 20% 2 "The ban has hurt, we now open later and close early."
NY Lakewood Ye Olde Anchor Inn Bar/Restaurant 18% 22%
NY Liverpool End Zone Bar/Restaurant 30% 1
NY Lockawanna, Woody's Pub Bar/Restaurant 25% 3
NY Long Island Olympian Sumont Inc Pool Hall/Bar/Rest 40% 3
NY Malone Knights of Columbus Bingo Hall 80%
NY Malone Seven's Bar Tavern 30%
NY Marcellus Village Tavern Bar/Restaurant 10%
NY Marcy Riverside Lanes Bowling 20% 2
NY Massena Delmar Sportsman's Tavern Tavern 30% 1 "We had hoped...nonsmokers who haven't been frequenting taverns due to the smoke-filled air would make up for at least some of the financial loss. Unfortunately, at least in our place, this has most definitely not happened. Our sales are at an all time low"
NY Massena Open Net Lounge Tavern 11%
NY Mattydale The Cam-Nel Tavern Closed 100% 100% The Cam-Nel had been in operation since 1952
NY Mayville Lakeview Hotel/Blues Rock Cafe Tavern 50% 50% On the first day of the ban, my tips and number of customers dropped 50%, and never came back up.
NY Middleport Middleport Inn Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% / 13 "This damn state really knows how to kill people's dreams."
NY Middletown Whispers Cocktail Lounge Bar/Night Club 50% 90%
NY Monroe Brazen Head Pub Tavern 40%
NY Mt. Morrison Mills Race Restaurant Bar/Restaurant 40% 2.5
NY New Rochelle Dudley's Parkview Tavern Tavern 45% "From last summer to this summer, coming into this season, business is off by at least 45 percent. ... The bar is empty."
NY New York Aessa Bar/Restaurant 35% 6
NY New York Blarney Stone Bar/Restaurant 15% 1
NY New York Caffe on the Green Bar/Restaraunt 35% Bar business fell about 35 percent immediately after the ban. It has picked up since he added a "butt hut," an outdoor tent where patrons may smoke, but it's still less than before the ban.
NY New York Castle Heights Tavern Closed 100% 100%
NY New York Elbo Room Tavern Closed 100% 100%
NY New York Euzkadi Restaurant 50%
NY New York Fiddler's Green Tavern Closed 100% 100% We have just lost too many customers to this law, which I did not vote for, bar owners did not vote for, bartenders did not vote for, and the public did not vote for."
NY New York Harry's Hanover Square Bar/Restaraunt Closed 100% 100 "Overnight, we lost 60 percent of our evening bar trade. For the bar, it was the difference in profit and loss. Sales of expensive cigars had been almost as important as the sales of Scotch" Harry's had been in business for more than thirty years
NY New York Le Bar Bat Tavern Closed 100% 100%
NY New York Madame X Tavern 50%
NY New York Manhattan Beer Distributors Vendor 19% Stagnant sales have led to a 7% drop in beer demand citywide, and a 19% drop citywide to clubs.
NY New York Millennium Restaurant 40% 3
NY New York Nocturne Nightclub Closed 100% 100% / 70
NY New York O'Neill's Tavern 20% 3 "People who don't go to pubs just don't go to pubs. They said the ban would be good for business and for employees, yet my business is down and three good staff are out of work and unable to find another job...Most of my staff are smokers, and now they're being protected from second-hand smoke."
NY New York Pangaea Tavern Closed 100% 100%
NY New York Roesch's Tavern Closed 100% 100% Lauterborn, 60, said his bar, Roesch's in Queens, saw 40 customers nightly before the ban but only about five after it. He closed in September and says his children are supporting him while he looks for work. His tavern had been a 100 year old family owned business.
NY New York Slade Restaurant 40%
NY New York Sugoba Bistro Bistro Closed 100% 100% / 28 After 8 years of success in NYC, the NY smoking ban killed my Bistro in less than a year! In less than 3 month my business declined 37%. Within six months I was unable to meet payroll and I had to lay off 28 employees.
NY New York Swan's Tavern Closed 100% 100% / 7 "I felt bad laying off seven workers. Most of them had been with me for the five years Swan's was open. None of them had ever complained about secondhand smoke. "
NY New York Swift's Tavern 40% "It's absolutely killed us. This time last year the bar would be packed with the after-work cocktail crowd. Now they just take a bottle of wine or a six-pack to each other's apartments, where they can smoke."
NY New York Whiskey Ward Tavern 20% 2
NY Newburgh Golden Rail Ale House Tavern 25%
NY Niagara Falls Kelly's Korner Bar Closed 100% 100% ...it's a real gut wrenching experience to have to call it quits.....
NY Niagara Falls The Press Box Tavern Closed 100% 100% The Press Box had been open for 45 years.
NY Ogdensburg The Web Tavern Closed 100% 100% Owners Janet and Anthony Doerr say the smoking ban destroyed their business.
NY Oneida Bec's Ivy Grill Bar & Grill 23% 3
NY Oneida Five Corners Bar/Restaurant 32% After 20 years of hard work this is what NY state does to us. Where are all these nonsmokers?
NY Oswego Buoy's Dockside Tavern Tavern 36.50%
NY Oswego Eagle Beverage Company Distributor 25% N/A "Deliveries to pubs and taverns have decreased substantially, greater than 25 percent."
NY Oswego Shamrock Tavern Tavern 50% "It's not right. Our livelihood is being taken away."
NY Parkville Champions Billiards Cafe Brew Pub/Pool Hall 33%
NY Port Leyden Central Hotel Bar/Restaurant 50%
NY Portville Maple Tree Inn Tavern Closed 100% 100% / 3
NY Potsdam Roy D Graves VFW Post 1194 Tavern 22%
NY Potville Cork and Bottle Tavern Closed 100% 100% Located near the PA border, this was literally a Mom and Pop business, run by a couple with no employees to "protect."
NY Queens Bingo Halls Bingo Halls 50% "If they want to spend their money, they want to be comfortable," said Susan Shkoditch, the volunteer who runs the bingo games for the charities. "They're mostly angry that their rights are being violated."
NY Remsen Taylor's Trackside Bar/Restaurant 50%
NY Rochester Christanis Bar and Grill Tavern 40%
NY Rochester Hancock's Hudson Tavern Bar/Restaurant 15%
NY Rochester Panorama Sports Bar/Night Club 50% 50% / 4 We are a small night club that was doing very well until the smoking ban hit us and it hit us very hard. We are very scared of our future, if any .
NY Rochester Salingers Tavern 35% 2
NY Rochester The Loop Lounge Bar and restaurant 30% I own a small local tavern and I have a 90% smoking cliental. Let me say it just sucks.
NY Rome Sammy G's Bar/Restaurant 50%
NY Sanborn Walmore Inn Restaurant/ Tavern Thank you for fighting the smoking ban.
NY Savannah D&S Diner Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Sales were down $3,000 in July 2002 compared to July 2001. Hardest hit were on Friday nights and Sunday mornings.
NY Scottsville Chili American Legion Post 1830 Private Club 70%
NY Sloan Unique Lounge Bar/Restaurant 40% 4
NY South Dayton, Rough Kutts Tavern Tavern 21% 1
NY Southport George & Shirl's Tiny Tavern Tavern 41% In October 2002, the bar made $6,000. This past October, after the ban went into effect, they made just $3,500,
NY Springville Pocketeer Billiards South Pool Hall Closed 100% From the Owner: "Pocketeer Billiards South is now officially closed due to the Hitler like laws the NYS. Politicians have enacted! NY continues in its efforts to drive business out to other states. I like many others have now chosen to leave after living here 58 years."
NY Staten Island Sharkey's Sports Bar and Grill Sports Bar 60%
NY Steamburg Coldspring Volunteer Fire Dept. Tavern 50% 75% / 1 The fire department owns the bar. Money from the bar buys equipment for the fire department. The income has been cut in half. This money buys new ambulances, trucks, gear ect. Remember, this all volunteer. Without the bar money we are going to have to rely on the town for revenue. You may lose your house or even someone's life without the money for the equipment.
NY Suffern Ireland's 32 Tavern 50%
NY Sunnyside Caseys Pub Tavern 35% 1
NY Syracuse Barrie's Tavern Tavern 40%
NY Syracuse Coleman's Irish Pub Bar/Restaurant 19% 4
NY Syracuse Doc's little Gem Diner 27% 10 "We fought tooth and nail and won a local County victory, only for the state to turn it over to a complete ban."
NY Syracuse Dodesters Tavern 20% "My business is down 20% from the same period last year, even though I'm now open three more hours a day and I didn't have a kitchen then."
NY Syracuse Nibsy's Pub Bar/Restaurant 18%
NY Syracuse Rafferty's Bar/Restaurant 35% 2
NY Syracuse Syracuse Brigadiers Bingo Hall 61% "The hall was losing about $60,000 per month in net income for the past three months because of the smoking ban."
NY Syracuse Thompson Road Tavern Bar/Restaurant 25%
NY Syracuse Tommys Park Place Tavern 40%
NY Syracuse Viva Debris Comedy & Magic Club 30 30%
NY Tonawanda Slick Willie's Pool Hall 25%
NY Troy Celtic Cultural Organization Bingo Hall 30-35% "From July 25 through Nov. 1, we are down about $12,000 from the same period last year."
NY Troy Holmes & Watson's Tavern 30%
NY Utica The Dog House Bar/Restaurant 28%
NY Utica Varick Restaurant Inc Bar/Restaurant 35%
NY Utica, Shorty's Sports Bar & Grill Bar/Restaurant 30%
NY Wallkill Desperado's Tavern 90% "I can count on my fingers the people who don't smoke who come in here. The regulars say they won't come."
NY Watertown Brown Shanty Tavern 20% 1
NY Wellsburg Village Tavern 50%
NY West Seneca Southgate Lanes Bowling Alley/Bar 55% 7
NY Wheatfield The Alps Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
NY Wheatfield The Meeting Place Restruant/Tavern Closed 100% 100%
NY Wilson Jean's Bar & Grill Tavern 26%
NY Binghamton Mama Lena's Italian American Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
NY Binghamton Valentine's Neighborhood Tavern & Grill Closed 100% 100%
NY Buffalo Jimmy Mac's Bar & Grill Closed 100% 100% "We are out of business, laid off 35 employees..... We went from making a steady living for 24 years to losing about $100,000. per year compliments of the smoking ban. The government figures are lies. Tell your friends who own bars that if the ban goes in they might as well pack up and leave." - Rick Naylon
NY Holland Holland Hotel Bar/Restaurant 45% My wife and three children (8, 4 & 2) have used all of our savings to supplement the business after the ban." - Mark Mazurek, Owner
OH Alliance Parkway Lanes Bowling Closed 100% 100% "I am very appreciative of the Alliance people to help us make 56 years," Linhart said.
OH Canton Sunny Cuts Beauty & Tan 50% 50% I think this ban is wrong and is hurting businesses we are supposed tol ive in a free country whats free about this?
OH Centerville Bill's Donuts Donut shop 20%
OH Centerville Cork and Bottle Carryout Lunch counter 25%
OH Centerville Thirsty Dog Grille & Brewery Closed 100% General manager, Bill Burns: A direct result of the city's smoking ban that went into effect April 4
OH Columbus Ann and Mike's Main St. Tavern Tavern 50% "This is all my husband and I do for a living. This is it," she says. Saying the smoking ban is destroying her profits. "I rang $37 on a Tuesday. That's from 10am to 230am," Leslie said. "I've cut all my vendors in half."
OH Columbus Blues Station Bar Closed 100% 100%
OH Columbus Coin-Op Vending Vending 15% Cigarette sales are down 50%. They report the bars outside of the Columbus ban are doing record business.
OH Columbus Elemental Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% They were not able to build a patio because of their location and just cashed it in.
OH Columbus Fitzwillys Bar Judy Browning, owner, said she is losing customers to private clubs, such as the Moose and Elks, which already are exempt from the policy. "As long as cigarettes are legal, please allow the freedom of choice," she pleaded. "As much as the loss of income affects us, it will affect city and state revenue, too."
OH Columbus Julian's Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% Owner Julian Sanfillipo says the smoking ban is to blame for the decline, and eventual death of his business.
OH Columbus Kacys Sports Bar & Grille Tavern 50% "Kacy's Sports Bar and Grill has room for 300 customers, but now, it's virtually empty."
OH Columbus Maximillions Closed 100% "We closed the doors on July 22, 2005."
OH Columbus Mulligan's Sports Pub Bar 50% They were the first business charged with violating the ban.
OH Columbus Red Star Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100%
OH Columbus Sinbad's Show Bar 90% "I don't know what to do, we've been in business for 15 years." Ron Polster, owner, said he has been losing both customers and employees to taverns in Reynoldsburg and Gahanna, which do not have indoor smoking policies.
OH Columbus Somewhere Else Tavern 3 "I feel bad. I've let three bartenders go," Tim Cashin says. "I'm seeing revenue loss of $1200-$1500 a week."
OH Columbus Sycamore Café Tavern Closing 100% 100% "After 42 years, the citywide smoking ban, in effect, will result in the closure of our establishment." Ron and Marilyn Stone.
OH Columbus Varsity Club Rest/ Bar Has lost business, especially during happy hours -when about half of the patrons used to smoke -said manager Laurie Watkins.
OH Columbus WK Vending Vending 15-25% We supply to neighborhood taverns everything for coin operated amusements, says Fowler. "Our bottom line is actually starting to drop."
OH Heath Park Lanes Bowling 60% Owner Jim Penick said the ban has taken away a large part of his clientele.
OH Heath The Natoma Restaurant It's had a disastrous effect on our bar area," said owner Dean Athan.
OH Toledo Adam's Place Tavern Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo Arnie's Eating & Drinking Saloon Restaurant/ Bar Arnie Elzey was one of the main proponents of a successful effort to modify Toledo's smoking ban.
OH Toledo Bait Shop Bar & Grill Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo Blue Jeans Tavern Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo Consaul Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100% Consaul Tavern had been in business over 53 years.
OH Toledo East Broadway Nightclub Nightclub 50% "From the get-go I've lost business. I've lost 50 percent -- everybody's losing money."
OH Toledo East Broadway Nite Club Night Club Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo Elbo Room Pizza Parlor/Tavern 25% 2
OH Toledo End Zone Electronics Tavern Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo Fat Tuesdays Tavern Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo Fitzpatrick's Tavern Closed 100% 100% I had to auction off my tavern of ten years here in Toledo as I never recovered from our last smoking ban.
OH Toledo Jordan's Place Tavern Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo Laskey Lounge Tavern Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo Max's Diners (2 locations) Restaurant Closed 100% 100% The Kaminskis say they tried to contact the city several times last year to see if they could get some help.
OH Toledo Ottawa Lanes Bowling Closed 100% 100% He was so drastically impacted by the smoking ban in Toledo.
OH Toledo Prime Time South Night Club Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo Rack Time Billiards Pool Hall Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo Ragtime Ricks Tavern Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo Rooster Inn Brew Pub Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo Shamrocks Tavern Closed 100% 100%
OH Toledo The "In" Zone Tavern Closed 100% 100%
OH Various Bears & NFL games Bars 50% "What's the point of going out to watch the game when you've got to stand in the freezing cold to smoke," Barry said.
OH Worthington Kacy's Sports Bar 50% "Kacy's Sports Bar and Grill has room for 300 customers, but now, it's virtually empty."
OR Corvallis The Peacock Bar/Restaraunt 40% Connor owned the Peacock for years - and says it was the ban that caused him to sell the bar. He says business gross fell from $1.5 million in 1997, the year before the ban went into effect, to $900,000 last year.
OR Corvallis The Peacock (New Owner) Bar/Restaraunt 50% 36
OR Eugene Bliss' Steak Ranch Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Closed after 32 years in business
OR Eugene Doc's Pad Tavern Closed 100% 100% / 24 "Let's face it, the economy is horrible. But for us specifically, the smoking ban was the knockout punch." The Olsen family had owned Doc's for 16 years.
OR Eugene Max's Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100%
Scotland Various 5 Bingo Halls Closed 100% 100% 5 closed in first 3 months of ban.
Scotland Bingo Halls 14% The bingo operator is also reportedly considering selling its Hard Rock Cafe chain.
Scotland Fun Pub Pub Closed 100% 100% Billy Laing said he would have to look at cuts after a "drastic" reduction in takings.
Sweden Country Svenska Spel State Owned Gaming 2% Ban hits Svenska Spel's profits
TX Arlington Bobby V's Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Everybodys pretty much gone somewhere where we can smoke.
TX Arlington Saltimboccas Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
TX Coppera's Cove Grant's Bar and Grill Uptown Cafe Closed 100% 100%
TX Corpus Christi Katz 21, P.O.E.T.S, Q Pub Taverns 36% All plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the city of Corpus Christi. They asked a federal judge to temporarily suspend the ban, partially because of lost revenues.
TX Dallas Matt's No Place Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Business simply dried up, restaurateur Matt Martinez said, after the City Council enacted a smoking ban in restaurants and other public places. "I just got fed up," said Martinez, "You work to get a clientele and build your business, and then the city comes and takes it from you."
TX Round Rock China One Restaurant Closed 100% 100%
TX San Antonio Good Time Charlie's Restaurant 30%
TX Victoria Ramsey's Restaurant Restaurant 25% Reaves said the city's timing on enacting the ban was not good. "They should have waited until after the holidays," he said. "This will kill the restaurant industry."
UK Congleton George Pub 35% Landlady Lynn O'Connell stubbed out the ban after the losses. The award she'd been given by Congleton's Mayor Baxendale was then taken away by a council environmental officer.
USA Various 7 Six Flags Amusement Parks Closed 100% 100% One year after smoking bans. Newsletter article page #3367
WA Bellingham Horseshoe 12%
WA Bellingham Waterfront Restaurant 9%
WA Clarkston Hogans 30%
WA Clarkston Hogan's Restaurant 30% Owner Tony Salerno says customers tell him bluntly they are going to Idaho bars, where smoking is still legal.
WA Clarkston Smittys Barrel 60% 4
WA Clarkston Smitty's Barrell 60%
WA Everett White Elephant Bar & Grill Inc. Restaurant 75% 2 We are a 54 year old business and we are going broke over the new law forced upon us business owners in Washington state.
WA Kent Inn Between Tavern 40%
WA Non-tribal Casinos Casinos 40% Its devastating. Says Dolores Chiechi of the Washington Recreational Gaming Association.
WA Okanogan The Club 29%
WA Olympia The Spar 30%
WA Oroville Yo Yo's Restaurant 16%
WA Pullman Munchy'z 30%
WA Republic Madonna's Bar & Grill 13%
WA Seattle Devonshire Tavern Closed 100% 100%
WA Seattle Gim Wah 35% Nena Tyson says restaurant hurt too.
WA Seattle Highlander Tavern Tavern 30% Patty Hutchison says her outdoor tent was taken away too.
WA Seattle Inn on the Heath Tavern Closed 100% 100%
WA Seattle Mecca Cafe 40%
WA Seattle Mickey's Bar & eatery 35%
WA Seattle Snappers Restaurant 50%
WA Seattle The Horse & Chains Inn Closed 100% 100%
WA Seattle The Kings Head Tavern Closed 100% 100%
WA Seattle The Lazy Fox Tavern Closed 100% 100%
WA Seattle Three Crowns Tavern Closed 100% 100%
WA Seatttle Tini Bigs 17%
WA Teninio Powder Keg 27%
WA Tonasket Tonasket Saloon 25%
WA Wenatchee Trav's Restaurant 30%
WA White Salmon The Elkhorn Bar & Grill 18%
WI Appleton Polly's Restaurant and Lounge Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% When Polly Anderson thinks about the tavern she operated for 10 years, she remembers lines at the bar that sometimes were three-people deep.
WI Appleton Ravens Bar Closed 100% 100% Donna Bradley, co-owner with husband Mike, said Appletons smoking ban was Ravens downfall.
WI Appleton Various Places 65% "After only one month with a ban."
WI Madison Ole 'N Rick's North Side Inn Closed 100% Terry Olson, co-owner of Ole 'N Rick's North Side Inn in Madison, said business is down 60 percent and he started cutting back shifts for three or four bartenders Monday.Owner Terry Adkins warned the City Council this would happen
WI Madison The Hammer Time Bar Closed 100% 100% just the first of many economic casualties sure to be caused by the city's 9-month-old smoking ban, the owners and their allies said.
WI Madison Tip Top Tavern Tavern It's terrible, absolutely terrible, said Cal Beecher, owner of the Tip Top Tavern. "I've been here 32 years. It's going to close me down."
WI Madison VFW Canteen Tavern Closed 100% Saying its clientele had mostly vanished into clean air.
WI Madison Wiggie's 30% Dave Wiganowsky, "By implementing this ban, the city has kicked the spokes out of my wheel that I had spinning very nicely for 25 years."
WI Wausau Diamond Dave's Restaurant Closed 100% Owner Steve Frazier blames the ban.
WV Charleston Mulligan's Restaurant/Bar Closed 100% 100% David Reynolds said that staff members "went to work Tuesday and they were closed.
WV Huntington Calamity Café Restaurant Closed 100% 100% The restaurant cited the smoking ban as hurting business and a reason to close.
|March 15th, 2010, 08:47 PM
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The stuff I was talking about wasn't on the internet when I was learning about it.
Your post only shows a few bars in each state, or at best an EXTREMELY small percentage of the bars therein.
Still, I was talking about California, and according to the California Board of Equalization, the hospitality sector continued to grow after the California Clean Indoor Air Act was enacted in 1994. Sales tax data showed an increase in annual sales from $7.16 billion in 1997 for establishments selling beer and wine to $9.6 billion in 2002. For establishments selling all kinds of alcohol, sales increased from $8.64 billion in 1997 to $11.3 billion in 2002. In 2003, the Board's Employment Development Department reported that the number of individuals employed in California's bars and restaurants had about 200,500 more employees than they did in 1995, before the smokefree policy took effect.
Source: California State Board of Equalization: California Department of Health Services, Tobacco Control Section, November 2002; State of California, Employment Development Department, Labor Force Statistics, November 2003.
|March 15th, 2010, 09:21 PM
November 7, 1958 - July 22, 2011
Their so good to us, first they get everbody smokig by sending cigs to the soldiers in WW1 and WW2, then the make it illegal to smoke so we all have to quit....
|March 16th, 2010, 11:27 AM
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|March 23rd, 2010, 11:06 PM
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CHAPEL HILL, N.C. - The University of North Carolina track and field program is proud to announce their recruiting class for the upcoming 2013-14 academic and competitive years. The Tar Heels will welcome 10 student-athletes in multiple disciplines as part of head coach Harlis Meaders' first recruiting class in his tenure at Carolina.
"Our objective was to recruit a well-balanced team to add to our overall concept of being a balanced program," said Coach Meaders, "We are very fortunate with this recruiting class."
The Tar Heels' recruiting class includes state champions, junior Olympic champions, national qualifiers, and scholar athletes. Biographies of the signees are below:
Joe Sansone • Distance
Southlake, Texas • Carroll Senior
Joe Sansone has lettered in cross country and track all four years of high school and has been a member of two state championship teams, including a team that finished second at the 2011 Nike Team Nationals. In cross country, Sansone finished fourth individually in the state in 2012 and eighth in 2011. He is a team captain and an active member of his youth group. His PRs include: 15:04 in the cross country 5K, 9:09.24 in the two-mile, and 4:15.61 in the mile.
Ethan Smith • Pole Vault
Hillsborough, N.C. • Cedar Ridge
Ethan Smith owns the 2012 state record for the pole vault at 15-6 (4.72 meters). He is the 2012 Indoor NCHSAA state champion and the 2012 Outdoor 2A NCHSAA state champion. Smith is a national qualifier in the pole vault and has been competing in the event all four years of high school. He was named a scholar athlete all four years of high school.
Amanda Benninghoff • Pole Vault
Ivyland, Pa. • Council Rock South
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Brittany Hull • Pole Vault
Bloomington, Ill. • Normal Community
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Jon Beyle • Throws
Chapel Hill, N.C. • East Chapel Hill
Jon Beyle is a four-time state champion: 2012 indoor shot put, 2012 outdoor shot put, 2012 outdoor discus, and 2013 indoor shot put. He holds the all-time high school indoor state record for the shot put with his personal best 61-10 (18.85 meters). The News & Observer named him the Track Athlete of the Year and the PAC-6 named him the Conference Field Athlete of the Year in 2012. Beyle is also a gifted singer as a member of the men's choral ensemble and his school's a cappella group.
Kwame Donyinah • Sprints
Charlotte, N.C. • Myers Park
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Ceo Ways • Sprints
Ponte Vedra, Fla. • Allen D. Nease
Ceolamar Ways has competed on the track for four years and owns PRs of 47.27 in the 400, 21.42 in the 200, and 10.68 in the 100. He also competed in the long jump, triple jump, and high jump. Ways has finished fifth and third in the 400 and 200, respectively at the 2011 and 2012 state championships. Ways also played two years of football and one season of basketball.
Brien Berry • Sprints
Durham, N.C. • Riverside/Hampton University/Barton Community
Brien Berry joins Carolina as a transfer from Hampton University, a Division I (FCS) Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference program, and Barton Community College. Berry specializes in the 100 and 200 sprints, with career personal records of 10.36 in the 100 and 20.81 in the 200. He is a USATF Junior Olympic All-American in the 200 and won silver in the same event at the Youth Outdoor USA Championships. In high school, Berry won all-conference honors in the 4x100, the 4x200, the high jump and the 200. He was the conference champion in the 4x100, 4x200 and high jump. He also won the Intercollegiate Association of Amateur Athletes of America outdoor 200 championship in 2012 and is a NCAA qualifier. Berry also played basketball in high school.
Javianne Oliver • Sprints
Monroe, Ga. • Monroe Area
Javianne Oliver comes to UNC as an All-American in the 100 and 200 meters and as a state champion in the 100 and 200. Her PRs include: 11.63 in the 100 and 24.00 in the 200. Oliver is an honor roll student, has been named to the academic principal's list multiple times, and is a team captain. She is a member of the Future Business Leaders of America, the National Honor Society, the Beta Club, the Anchor Club, and is a member of her high school's student council. Oliver also volunteers with the Boys & Girls Club of America. Ranked in the top-10 percent of her class, she also works a math tutor and is a member of a dance ministry. Oliver also played varsity basketball and was a cheerleader for four years.
Emily Godwin • High Jump
Buckhannon, W.V. • Buckhannon-Upshur
Emily Godwin is the 2012 USATF National Junior Olympics champion in the high jump and is the fourth-place finisher in the heptathlon at the same championship. She owns nine state titles from her freshman, sophomore, and junior seasons in five events, including the high jump, long jump, 100 hurdles, 300 hurdles and shuttle hurdle relay. Godwin placed sixth in the heptathlon at the 2012 Junior National Championships and reached the competition on a qualifying mark of 4,874 points. She has been named the Conference Runner of the Year twice as a junior and sophomore. Godwin owns state records in the high jump at 5-10 (1.78 meters), 300 hurdles at 43.96, and the shuttle hurdle relay at 1:04.07. She is the 2011 and 2012 Gatorade West Virginia Girl Track and Field Athlete of the Year and the 2011 WVRunners.com Girl Track and Field Athlete of the Year. Godwin currently serves as senior class vice president, was voted Homecoming Queen in 2012, is a member of the National Honor Society and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and contributes much of her time to her church and other charitable causes. She also played four years of varsity soccer winning multiple all-state and all-conference honors.
Maurice Dix, Jr. • Hurdles
Fort Lauderdale, Fla. • St. Thomas Aquinas
Maurice Dix joins Carolina with personal records of 14.19 and 37.03 in the 110 and 300 hurdles, respectively. He was named a national first-team All-American for the 300 hurdles in 2012 and 2013 by Track & Field News. Dix was honored by ESPN Rise as a Fab 50 national champion in 2011 and a runner-up in 2012. His team has won the state championship for three consecutive years and he is captaining the team as a senior. Dix was named to the National Scholastic Sports Foundation USA Team for the 2012 Caribbean Invitational. He has been named to the principal's honor roll all four years of high school. His uncle, Walter Dix, competed at Florida State from 2005-08 as an 18-time All-American and went on to become a U.S. Olympic Trials champion and qualifier.


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I am brand new to the forum (first post). I have been asked to sell a relative's Flying Scot for him. I need help in determining fair market value. It was manufactured in 2001. He was the original owner. The only things that really need repair are the the canvas cover (needs replacement), the main stay (fraying), tires on the trailer (maybe popped or may just need air) and the electrical wires on the trailer hitch for the lights got severed (should be repairable). Aside from that the boat is in good condition. Any help in determining what fair market value would be on the west coast would be greatly appreciated.
I'm definitely passing on this. I was looking at it as something close easily trailerable. Definitely looking for bigger in the long run though. Talking with a guy that has an Allied Princess II and am going to look at that soon. There's a handful of boats close by me (South Padre Island, Port Isabel) but I've always got Corpus, Houston, Galveston to look too.
I'm really in the market for 30'+ cruiser but taking my time with that big of an investment.
|If you're into one-design racing and FS's are the only show in town, this one is not going to put you at the front of the fleet. If you're not into one-design racing, or if there are other boats racing locally, FS's are (imho) downright ugly tubs. If you're looking to get into something a bit cruisier/keelier in the long run, why not look for a used J/24? Decent ones are available for around $5000 all over the country, and ones needing work can be had for less than what this seller thinks his very tired dinghy is worth. I saw a J/24 this morning that had been sold, with trailer, for $1.00 plus the yard bill (maybe $1000?). The deck needed about 3 square feet of recoring to be ready for another 15 years of sailing. ($500 to have a professional do it?) You can get on course towards your long-term goal without breaking the bank, in a boat that isn't too much to handle, and which has a steady and broad resale market. Switch gears and move on, as far as this dinghy is concerned.
I'd definitely pass on this one. I bought #768 last year for $2300(older at '65, but it's one design, so who cares?) and it had a pretty good trailer, 3 sets of sails(including one almost new set of Madsails) and was ready to go. I sailed it quite a bit last summer and am getting ready to go for my first sail this summer. You should defintely be able to better than that.
Price Sounds High...
This boat has potentially big problems, and obviously many modest problems. That seems like a price twice (or more) as high as it should be.
I closely watch the prices for O'Day Daysailers. Granted, they're a bit smaller at 17 feet, but their usable cockpit space is comparable with a Flying Scot.. both get real crowded with more than 4.
A very clean water-ready O'Day with decent trailer and maybe even a small outboard can be had for $1500 all day long and a patient shopper can get one for $1200 or less.
Scots are nice boats, but there have been a lot of them made... I think the comment that they don't hit the market very often is exaggerated... I'd pass on this boat unless you're:
a) handy doing your own repairs
b) enjoy doing your opwn repairs
But if you want to get on the water, keep looking.
Your thoughts match mine.
If you do want a dinghy, there are many, many to choose from. Search around here and you will find a number of threads with recommendations. Just a partial list:
Flying Junior, Thistle, Highlander, Flying Scot, Lightning, O'Day Daysailor, Boston Whaler Harpoon, Buccaneer, Capri 14.2, Precision, etc.
You need to know how many people you want to be sailing with and what type of sailing. For most of the boats I listed, you can hunt around and find ones in all different conditions. Most are very low maintenance if dry sailed. They all have different characteristics. Many come up on Craigslist, eBay, or a bulletin board at a local sailing spot.
Thanks Frog.
I'm definitely going to keep looking. I wouldnt mind a boat with a little work needed as it would help me get to know the boat a little more...but I'd rather spend a little more and get a boat that can sail sooner.
There are a couple of Scot sailors that poke their heads in from time to time here. My comments are below in green.
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Found a Flying Scot for $2500 that needs a bit of work. Wondering if someone could help me determine whether its worth it?
I'm working up to 35'+ cruiser but want to get something to hold me over...
This is what seller told me.
19' Flying Scot #3442 for sale. Excellent, well-built family daysailer/racer. Good condition, needs cleanup and sorting out. Two mainsails, jibs and spinnakers. Galvanized trailer
That boat was probably built in 1979 or 1980 (rough estimate). Boats that age are listed for ~$4000 (http://fssa.com/ht/shop/shop-caveat-emptor.htm). One big question is who built the boat. For most of the 70's there were two builders, Douglass (the designer's firm) and Customflex (licensee). Customflex had their license cancelled at the end of the 70's, partially due to quality concerns. Customflex Scots sell for much less than Douglass built boats.
The boat was part of a school until it was put away in a messy way.
The work needed is more than cosmetic. If the work was just cosmetic, I'd be asking more for the boat.
The halyard winches at the base of the mast needs to be lubricated and maybe new halyards are needed. I can't find the winch handle specific to the halyard winches.
Winch lubrication is part of regular maintenance, they are incredibly durable and a couple of drops of a teflon lube will have these winches ready to go. New halyard kits are sold by Flying Scot Inc. (the renamed Douglass Boatworks). A new set of halyards (wire) will run you ~$100.
The bottom has blisters and if the boat were to be raced or kept in the water, these would need to be addressed. Otherwise they are stable and if the boat were drysailed, could be left in their present condition.
This is the biggest concern. I have never heard of blisters on a Scot. Some suffer from rot in the balsa core but blisters...? You may want to post over at the Flying Scot Sailing Association forum to see if they have any input on this.
The bottom blisters can be seen on shot #2033 (Scary)
The Shrouds look quite good (in my opinion). (Easy to replace if they are not)
I don't know what that is in the forepeak... (Bow flotation bag, required along with the 4"diameter transom port for racing. Scots do not have a bailer, if you swamp, you can be towed dry by a motor boat. The bow bag raises the bow and the transom port is opened and as the water flows out the rear. That one looks seriously deflated, you may need to get a new one.)
I don't know what those little glassed-in squares are in the stern...gas tank mount? (Your guess is a good as mine. The outboard bracket is mounted on the transom. Those blocks may have been put there for a tank, or may have been put in to hold poles, paddles, etc.)
I crawled around tapping and stomping on the fiberglass and found no saturated areas. Everything is firm.
That is very good news.
The centerboard well gasket seems OK.
The axle on the trailer shows rust at the U-bolts. I wouldn't drive it to Alaska, but a little bearing grease should get you down the road. I do not know about whether the lights function.
There are many boats in this size range available. Do your research, talk to people in your area about the boats they sail. That is how I finally got the good deal on my Flying Scot, there are many boats for sale that are not listed.
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The Boston Red Sox and David Ortiz remain far apart in talks about his 2012 contract, making a salary arbitration hearing increasingly likely, one major-league source told FOXSports.com.
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Ortiz has been one of the most popular and productive Red Sox since joining the organization before the 2003 season. In a hearing – which has been tentatively scheduled for mid-February – he would listen to Red Sox representatives argue why he deserves a $12.65 million salary, rather than the $16.5 million he has requested.
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Worcester, Mass. – Junior Keegan Asmundson stopped 31 shots to post his first collegiate shutout and lead the Canisius College hockey team to a 3-0 victory at Holy Cross on Saturday afternoon. With the win, the Griffs complete the sweep and improve to 7-10-1 and 6-4-1 in Atlantic Hockey play, while the Crusaders drop to 4-13-2 and 3-7-2 against league foes.
"It took us awhile to get going today and Holy Cross came out with electric legs," said Canisius head coach Dave Smith. "Keegan kept us in the first period and a big five-minute penalty kill really energized our bench. From that point on, we played very confident, very together and with effective effort."
Senior Patrick Sullivan, junior Cody Freeman and sophomore Stephen Miller all scored for the Griffs in the winning effort.
The Griffs struck first in the contest thanks to Freeman's third tally of the season. From the corner, Sullivan centered the puck and Freeman swatted it out of the air and into the net from right in front for the early lead. Senior Kyle Gibbons also registered an assist on the goal with 3:08 remaining in the first.
Despite the one-goal lead, it was Holy Cross that was controlling the play of the game in the first 20-plus minutes. A five-minute major called on the Griffs actually swung the momentum to Canisius' favor. During the five-minute power play, Holy Cross could only get one shot on goal, compared to two plus one post hit for the Griffs. Canisius then slowly made its mark on the game for the remaining 26-plus minutes.
Canisius finally took advantage of its strong play when Sullivan netted his sixth goal of the season with 14:34 remaining in regulation. The senior finished a rush to stretch the Griffs lead to 2-0 with assists going to Freeman and junior Logan Roe.
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GREEN BAY, Wis. (GreenBayPhoenix.com) - The Green Bay women's basketball team (10-2) continued its streak of defensive dominance in a 61-42 victory over St. Bonaventure (7-8) to close non-conference play on Saturday afternoon at the Kress Center. The win marks the fourth time this season the Phoenix has held an opponent to 30 percent shooting or less, and the eighth time Green Bay's tenth-best defense in Division I has not allowed an opponent to reach 50 points.
"St. Bonaventure was a hard team to guard, they were very patient and did a pretty good job of taking care of the ball," head coach Kevin Borseth said. "I never really felt comfortable and felt like we had a lot of gaps, but when you look at the score sheet and see the amount of points we held them to, it wasn't too bad."
Redshirt senior Stephanie Sension (Hopkins, Minn.) and senior Lydia Bauer (Lake Zurich, Ill.) broke an early back-and-forth game by each hitting a triple, sparking a 16-5 run over the final 12:42 of the first half. Bauer finished with 13 points and a game-high eight rebounds on 5-8 shooting and 3-for-5 from long range while Sension added 12 points shooting 50 percent from the floor.
Leading 18-12 with 7:56 remaining in the first half, senior Adrian Ritchie (De Pere, Wis.) drilled a three to spark a 12-0 run over the next five and a half minutes that saw Ritchie and Bauer add five points each.
With 2.6 seconds remaining in the first half Bauer launched a shot from half court that nearly went in, but freshman Kaili Lukan (Barrie, Ontario, Canada) grabbed the rebound and was fouled. With a tenth of a second on the clock the younger of Green Bay's two Lukan's hit one of two free throw attempts to give the Phoenix a 32-15 halftime lead.
After shooting 0-for-6 from behind the arc in the first half, St. Bonaventure connected on six of 10 attempts from long range in the second half, coming as close as 15 points with 11:47 remaining. After St. Bonaventure's Ashley Zahn hit a three, Green Bay responded with a 12-2 run over the next five minutes. Redshirt junior Breannah Ranger (Skokie, Ill.) dominated the post in the second half, working towards a career-high 14 points on 70 percent shooting.
With 4:28 remaining, redshirt junior Sam Zastrow (Algoma, Wis.) drove to the basket through the entire St. Bonaventure defense and laid it in to record her first points of the season and extend the lead to 57-31. The 26-point advantage was the largest the Phoenix held in the game.
St. Bonaventure scored late points from Katie Healy and Nyla Rueter, but Green Bay's reserve players, which all saw time on the court, were able to hold the double-digit advantage. Healy finished with a game-high 16 points, while Rueter added 11.
The Phoenix continued its streak of dominance in the paint, outscoring the Bonnies 36-10 for the game with a 20-0 advantage in the second half. During the five-game winning streak, Green Bay has outscored opponents 172-50 in the paint and has held opponents to an average of just 41 points per contest.
With the non-conference slate in the books, Green Bay will open Horizon League play on Tuesday, Jan. 8 in a highly anticipated matchup against Detroit. Green Bay defeated the Titans in the 2012 Horizon League Championship game, and Detroit was picked to finish second behind the Phoenix in the 2012-13 Preseason Horizon League poll. Following the matchup with Detroit, Green Bay will stay at home to host Wright State on Saturday, Jan. 12.
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this is only my opinion but by experience all my personal guns are da/sa becose i like the safety of the double action on my gun i carry a fnp-9 so it has both da/sa and a deCocked for safety
the resin i like that is if i have to pull my weapon i control the hammer pull so if a have to let go of the trigger and the hammer falls it will not discharge my weapon
if i set my gun to single action and i dont have to pull the trigger the deCocked will let the hammer falls it will not discharge my weapon
the double action pull on my weapon is about 10 to 11 pounds and the single action is about 5 to 6 pounds !!!!!!!!!!


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Hey all
Greetings from down under, South Australia. Been a 501st member for about 12 months (Snowtrooper, Darth Nihilus) and now I am ready for a real challange! The man, the helmet, the Fett! Interested in doing an ESB Boba Fett.
Looking at getting a NME Props Mercenary helmet.
Is this gonna work?


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I've had smaller queens lay up a storm and fill a hive.The bees themselves will decide for you when she starts to lay.If shes not doing her job, they will replace her in short order. :chop:
Yesterday the bees balled the small virgin queen. Turned out they didn't really like small queens. 8-)


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For an hour and a half.
Cooper didn't seem to mind because he was watching Shrek.
People even made snowmen on the side of the road.And eventually, (7 hours later) we got there.
Good thing our room was worth the wait.
But that didn't stop us from breaking out pizza and vino.
The night time view from our balcony
And the next morning.
We stayed at the Marriott Grand Residence right in Heavenly Village.
They had shopping, restaurants, and an ice skating rink!
The gondola to the top of the mountain.
We spent lots of time driving around and playing in the snow
On our way to go tubing
And after the boys flipped out of their tube.
The whole weekend was perfect, until we watched the Jets-Colts game, and the Jets lost. And then I had to make pie for the hubs, and snuggle him while saying "there's always next year" over and over. Guess I'll put my jersey away for now!


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Mitt Romney's anger flashes on the "apology tour"
posted at 9:01 am on October 23, 2012 by Libby Sternberg
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney rarely displays anger. Despite petty–even snarky–jabs aimed at him from President Obama during the past two presidential debates, Romney maintained a cool, above-it-all demeanor that made him appear more presidential than the president.
But there was a flash of anger in Romney's performance at the last of the three debates, and, appropriately, it was anger expressed on behalf of the American people. The contrast with the president couldn't have been more striking. While Obama talked about "me, the nation" (hmm…where have we heard that before? ), Romney displayed control and humility, brushing past most of Obama's attacks as if to signal, "this isn't about me personally."
But Romney showed fire when he took the president to task for his "apology tour," and in this instance, Romney spoke for many Americans, not just himself.
This was the only moment during the various debates that triggered a visceral reaction from me, and I suspect that's true of many other like-minded folks who watched. After Romney mentioned the president's "apology tour," and the president described that as a "whopper" discredited by the media, Romney went on to explain:
Mr. President, the reason I called it an apology tour is because you went to the Middle East, you flew to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Iraq.
By the way, you skipped Israel, our closest friend in the region, but you went to the other nations.
And by the way, they noticed that you skipped Israel.
And in those nations on Arabic TV, you said America had been dismissive and derisive. You said that on occasion America had dictated to other nations.
Mr. President, America has not dictated to other nations, we have freed other nations from dictators.
Bravo! Whatever our country's flaws, we don't need to have a president acting like a preening member of an over-rated country music group dissing us while abroad. Romney spoke for all of us in that clip, and he showed the right level of righteous indignation and anger on our behalf.
It was a knockout moment, but it occurred around the hour mark of a debate up against Monday Night Football and baseball on the schedule.
Here's hoping the moment is replayed often.
Libby Sternberg is a novelist