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High Light vs Photoperiod vs distance (PAR)
How do I get my lush hairgrass back?
So I've been running my tank for about 8 months:
I had an outbreak of hair algae when I first set up and realized my lights were waaaay too close to the surface. I hiked them up and now they are 33 inches from the substrate and 16 inches from the surface of the water. I also did a blackout that wiped out the algae (along with my tiger lotuses)
I then got the ferts wrong and had a nice outbreak of BBA which was a pain to get rid of, but is nearly non existent after a month thanks to Excel and regular water changes.
57G 36x18x21"
I have 4x 39W T5 HO bulbs running in two separate banks.
I currently run one bank of light for a total of 6 hours. (14:00-20:00).
I run the second bank of light for 5 hours (17:00-22:00).
78W for 8 hours total, of which 156W for 3 hours (when they overlap 17:00 - 20:00).
I run pressurized CO2, and ferts - everything grows really well - The reds are starting to pop on the plants that are near the surface and staurogyne repens is growing like a weed but the hairgrass...
The hairgrass is alive, but quite thin compared to when the light was closer (When I set up the tank).
I do not want to have an algae outbreak again so I'm toying with dropping the light an inch to increase the PAR value at the substrate surface, alternatively, I can increase the photo period or the amount of light
I've read that dwarf hairgrass likes 2WPG or more. That being said, I know to focus on PAR vs WPG as a measure of effective light.
So what's the recommendation? I won't do any drastic changes - one nudge and wait, another nudge and wait...
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Here's what it looked like at day 31:
Here's a pic now:
lifeless hairgrass in the front right and middle.
Nice looking tank, is that A. Viejita on the right side on D31-what strain is that?
I'm no expert when it comes to ferts, light and CO2, but in my opinion.., Looking at your before and after, I think it's safe to say you don't have enough light for a carpeting plant like that. Also, I would not be fond of the amount of stray light you are getting with your light so high up. I mean how can you enjoy your tank with 4 bulbs of T5 HO blasting you in the eyes!
My suggesting: move it back close enough to the tank where viewing is enjoyable, and get some floaters like frogbit or dwarf water lettuce to shade out some of the light. Also keep the photoperiod to 8 hours or less. In my mind when I think of algae and light, the longer the photoperiod the better the algae will do. I'd rather have high lighting for a short time, than weaker lighting over a longer period. Your plants will appreciate the high light, they are more efficient than the algae and only need a few hours of it a day to thrive. Furthermore, I don't see any harm in having a few photoperiods a day, and I suspect it would benefit your plants, I understand your trying to replicate nature, but there is lots of algae out in nature too and lets face the facts, most natural systems don't have injected CO2! I set my photoperiod to be on only when I'm going to home to enjoy it, plus I'd just have all 4 bulbs on, I don't think the plants really care if it ramps up from 2 to 4 bulbs.
Light causes algae, C02 grows plants! 2 x T5 is more than adequate to get a lush growth of any plant at that depth of water,
You need to get more gas down to the substrate.
I was too chicken to move the lights lower so just increased the photoperiod by half an hour every couple weeks. My hairgrass, Blyxa and P. Kawagoeanum responded beautifully to an 8 hour photoperiod. Your choice I think.
Thanks for all the input!
The Apisto is sold as a Viejita "red neck", don't laugh :) I've been corrected on the Apisto Forums (yes there is a forum for everything under the sun) that it is a Apisto Macmasteri - At least that's what they call in in Europe. I purchased it from WetSpot and I would highly recommend them - great service and fantastic fish.
I have it at 8 hours with a 3 hour burst - that sounds like good medium/high light when I check the PAR guide on the forums that Hoppy posted a while back.
I may drop the light an inch and keep vigil for algae...
I thought I could add an extra hour to the quad lamp burst (156W) to make it 4 hours instead of 3. I am cautious that dropping the light an inch increases the PAR for an entire 8 hours instead of doubling the PAR for 1 hour. It seems like a larger swing.
Any ideas? :)
What specific light fixture or fixtures are you using. Since my original charts of PAR vs distance were posted here I have seen a lot more data from a lot of different lights, and even more manufacturers are selling T5HO lights. So, I have posted a different set of charts at http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=184368 The PAR you get depends on both the reflectors and the ballasts, and different manufacturers use different quality parts of both kinds.
I haven't tried hairgrass yet, at least not long enough to learn much about it. So, I can only go by what is posted here in guessing what it requires.
Since that tank is 18 inches front to back depth a single light fixture with closely spaced bulbs isn't likely to give uniform lighting over the whole substrate. But, if the light is high enough above the tank, it will give relatively uniform lighting. So, I suggest working with only two bulbs, closely spaced, if you have the light high above the tank, but using 2 widely spaced bulbs if the light is right at the top of the tank. But, that changes if you have one of the inefficient T5HO lights.
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Hoppy, Thanks for responding :)
I just looked at the new charts and wow, there's a lot more to consider. My unit's not listed there and I'm not sure what the reflectors look like on those units.
I'm using an Aquaticlife 4x36" T5HO unit: http://www.aquaticlife.com/products/286 It has worked reliably and their customer service is pretty good, btw.
You can see the PAR performance in their user manual (Page 4/5): http://www.aquaticlife.com/sites/def...ets/420036.pdf
I've got 2 of the original Aquaticlife 6000K bulbs (8 months old) and 2 Zoo Med Ultra Sun Trichromatic Super Daylight Bulbs 6500K (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ms_ohs_product). (7 months old)
The reflectors are 1/2 parabolic but each bulb has a reflector.
The unit is 9" across, the bulbs are evenly spaced and 8" apart.
I'm starting to think to try this:
Thank you for posting that Aquaticlife manual. I added the PAR data to http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=184368 along with one of your photos of the reflectors.
You can see, from that chart, that at 33" you are getting about 70 micromols of PAR, which is more than enough light to grow hairgrass. If you were to use just an adjacent pair of bulbs you would get about half of that, or 35 micromols, which might be too little light. But, lower the light to about 22-24 inches from the substrate and you should have about 45-50 micromols of PAR at the substrate from the two bulbs. That is plenty of light for hairgrass, and based on the charts in the manual, the light would be adequately uniform over the whole substrate.
I suspect your problem is a CO2 problem. Once you have enough light, and dose fertilizers per an EI method, 90% of the problems you will run into are CO2 problems. I suggest:
1. Make sure you have good water surface ripple over the whole surface. No splashing, but good rippling. This keeps the water oxygenated so the fish can live with high CO2.
2. Make sure you have very good water circulation in the tank, with all leaves on all plants swaying in the current. This gets CO2 rich water to all plants.
3. Increase the CO2 bubble rate just a tiny bit. Watch the fish for distress, and the plants, looking for improvements in their health and growth rate. If the fish aren't distressed, repeat this step about every 3-5 days, until the fish aren't happy - then drop the rate to the last one where they were "happy". Or, repeat until the plants are growing in obvious good health and at a good rate. It may take a week at each bubble rate to do this well.
If you want to do a "noon burst" go ahead, but I think it is better to eliminate that while adjusting the CO2 to an optimum bubble rate.
Just to confirm: With two bulbs I'm only giving the substrate ~ 35 micromoles of light, the noon burst is pushing it to ~70 micromoles for 3 hours.
Dropping the light from 33 to 24 inches is a bit drastic, can I do it gradually? I am weary of large changes to CO2 and light - from experience changes to light especially have caused algae outbreaks in the past.
I'm dosing CO2 through an inline diffuser at 2-3bps - for what it's worth, the drop checker is a light green - though I know that's an estimate, etc. I'll increase that by 1bps and wait.
I'll increase the flow - I have a Hydor Koralia pump that runs at night to ripple the surface for flow. I'll adjust the timer so it runs all day.
Could I just gradually increase the light so I have 4 banks on for 8 hours and keep the 70 micromoles at the substrate?
BTW Tall tanks are challenging, because you generally don't have as much plant mass (small footprint) but you need a pretty strong light to reach the bottom.
I am not a particularly active member on this forum mainly because I am English & post on the English forums but I do find it interesting how you guys pay so much attention to light as there is a very different perspective from where I come from ...
We believe you don't need to use high light because you are enriching your tank with CO2 and in fact, as we try to point out repeatedly, enriching with CO2 actually allows you to use LESS light, the more C02 the less light required & therefor less algae That's how amazing CO2 is!
Here is a nice long read .... http://www.tropica.com/en/tropica-ab...and-light.aspx
Very true but I didn't change the fertilizing or the CO2 and with a longer lighting period my plants perked up. Not talking about a minor change. The Kawagoeanum went from 3" leaves and 6" of healthy stem to 4" leaves with 18" of healthy stem. The hairgrass stand thickened within 2 weeks and was 6" tall when I pulled it out. My hairgrass grows tall when light is low, I still had quite low light. There is a minimum length of day for a given system and I was below that point.
70 micromols of PAR isn't extremely high light, so you can use that continuously if you want to treat the tank as a high light tank. That means you absolutely need to keep the water well oxygenated so you can jack up the CO2 concentration to match the plants carbon demands at the fast growth rate that high light causes. To get that CO2 to the substrate level for the hair grass you also have to make sure the grass is waving in the current, demonstrating that it gets "fresh" water continuously. And, you have to be very conscientious about doing tank and filter maintenance, to avoid causing algae with the buildup of organic debris. Then you need to adjust the CO2 bubble rate upwards just a little bit, every few days, while keeping watch on your fish, and observing the plants to see what effect the increases are having. Do this until you get good growth, and until the last increase didn't improve the growth. Finally, if you do start getting BBA, remove it, kill it, immediately or you will soon have a black carpet. If you enjoy all of that work, you will also enjoy the rewards of having a good high light tank.
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Here is a nice example of a 100cm tank lit by two T5s approx 40cm above the water, light duration is 6 hours a day.
The tank belongs to Mark Evans and just made Rank 137 IAPLC entry.
We have lots of similar tanks on our forum using 2 x T5 or LED..
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Economic Malcontentery
posted at 9:02 pm on August 29, 2009 by Dafydd ab Hugh
President Barack H. Obama and his Windy-City White House have admitted that their projected deficits were far too low, so they've upped the 10-year total to $9 trillion, more or less matching the CBO. But aren't they still playing fast and loose with their figures?
Illth care
Obama swears that ObamaCare won't add even a dime to the deficit; thus he has not included any costs from that program in his projection. But wait — nearly every non-White House source believes it will be very expensive, costing anywhere from $750 billion to $3 trillion.
Which means, I fear, that even the expanded Obamic deficit projection is significantly low — and we're actually looking at adding nearly $11 trillion (taking the mean average of the projection boundaries), not a "mere" $9 trillion, to the national debt by 2020.
Medicare malpractice
In addition to the problems with ObamaCare, the administration also estimates that they will save an additional $200 billion (per year?) on Medicare. According to AP:
Democrats also are calling for cuts in Medicare spending, using some of the savings to help uninsured workers. A House bill would result in a net reduction in Medicare of about $200 billion, though Obama has insisted the reductions would not cut benefits in the health program for the elderly.
Five'll get you eight that the administration is including this as "deficit reductions" in their budget estimates, since no "new government programs" have yet been enacted specifically to eat up that supposed reduction (the reductions are counted immediately; the spending won't be counted until it's actually spent).
In the event that this amazing Medicare savings (without cutting any benefits!) fails to eventuate, the deficit increases by another $200 billion — if that alleged savings is allegedly a one-shot — or by another $2 trillion, if it's supposedly a structural change. So the national debt rises by a total of more than $11 trillion (best case) to as much as $13 trillion (worst case).
The joy of tax
Economist John Mauldin, in his weekly e-letter, notes the following point about some of President Obama's assumptions underlying the recent budget estimate:
Instead of fiscal discipline, we are hearing increased demands for more spending. Please note that the very rosy future deficit assumptions assume the end of the Bush tax cuts at the close of 2010. But raising taxes back to the level of 2000 does not make the projected future budget deficits go away.
I mean, seriously, does anyone think Pelosi or Reid are going to lead us to fiscal constraint? Obama talks a good game, but he has not offered a serious deficit-reduction proposal, other than further tax increases. And by serious, I mean we need cuts on the order of several hundred billion dollars.
Liberal squawking notwithstanding, most of the Bush tax cuts went to middle-income taxpayers. Obama has sworn that he won't raise the taxes of anyone making less than $250,000 a year… which means he wouldn't be able to cut the Bush tax cut much at all. And even if the president proposed breaking his word on this issue ("read my lips…"), it's very unlikely that wavering members of the House and especially Senate would go along with it, since the congressional debate would have to be flooding the airwaves in 2010, swamping almost every other issue in the November elections.
So that's one assumption that appears to be busted from the git-go; who's going to vote for massive tax increases right before an election? Let's assume no significant tax increase on the middle income, including allowing the Bush cuts to die "quietly" (yeah, right — quietly!)
So how much is the net hit on the deficit projection due to the unlikelihood of repealing the Bush tax cuts?
Mind, we're not talking about an actual deficit (if any) was created by the tax cuts; that's a whole different argument. I'm asking how much the Obama administration estimated the Bush tax cuts were costing per year, and how much of that amount they expected to recover from killing them. In other words, how much deficit reduction did they include in their calculations that they're not actually getting?
The leftist Economic Policy Institute is just the sort of econ think tank that Barack Obama would find trustworthy; it was founded by various liberal economists (including Bill Clinton's future Secretary of Labor, Robert Reich) in 1986, and it consistently presents the view from the Left. Their 2005/2006 position paper on tax cuts estimates the deficit impact thus:
In the recently completed fiscal year 2005, the combined effect of the tax cuts passed since 2001 was $225 billion without interest. When the interest costs from greater debt is included, the tax cuts raised the deficit by $260 billion, a sum that would wipe out most of last year's unsustainable $317 billion deficit.
I wonder if they consider Obama's trillion-dollar deficits, marching into eternity, "sustainable"…
I think it reasonable to assume that the current administration accepts the estimate that the Bush tax cuts increased the deficit by at least $260 billion per year; how much do they expect to "recover" by killing the tax cuts? It would be hard for me to believe, given the urgency of the budget-deficit problem, that Obama would have low-balled the savings. I think it's not unreasonable that he would have "estimated" savings of about $200 billion per year, or 78% of what he (and liberal economists) imagine the cuts are costing the economy.
So bursting that soap-and-change bubble, adds another $2 trillion over ten years to the national debt, bringing the adjusted total increase up to $13 to $15 trillion.
Very interesting…
Finally, Mauldin quotes from economist Richard Russell:
"The US national debt is now over $11 trillion dollars. The interest on our national debt is now $340 billion. This is about at 3.04% rate of interest. In ten years the Obama administration admits that they will add $9 trillion to the national debt. That would take it to $20 trillion. Let's say that by some miracle the interest on the national debt in 10 years will still be 3.09%. That would mean that the interest on the national debt would be $618 billion a year or over one billion a day [sic; more like $1.7 billion per day — DaH]. No nation can hold up in the face of those kinds of expenses. Either the dollar would collapse or interest rates would go through the roof."
But Russell is assuming only nine trillion dollars added to the debt; splitting the difference, what if it's really $14 trillion, going from $11 trillion today to $25 trillion by 2020?
Under Russell's formula, an increase from $11 trillion to $20 trillion (182%) yields an increase in budgetary "debt maintenance" from $340 billion up to $618 billion, or 182%; so the equation is roughly linear.
That makes it easy to calculate with the new figures: An increase of the debt from $11 trillion today to $25 trillion — 227% — should result in a corresponding increase in debt maintenance from $340 billion per year to $773 billion. But wait, there's worse! A perception of increased financial risk for the United States could force us to raise the interest rates for U.S. Treasury securities, which would of course dramatically raise the interest payments on the national debt. That $773 billion could easily rise to a trillion dollars or more… just to pay the interest on the debt.
It could easily become the largest component of the entire budget, en route to gobbling up the whole thing, lock, stock, and kaboodle.
Like a spiderweb, the pieces all fall into place
Such a huge chunk of the budget going to pay mere interest on the debt will have a devastating effect on our economy (Mauldin sarcastically suggests we borrow money to pay the interest on the money we borrow). But the frustrating thing is that economists cannot agree whether such a collapse would produce massive inflation, as in a typical recession — or massive deflation, as we had in the Great Depression. Alas, the strategies individuals should follow are completely different for each of these options: You don't want to be holding gold during deflation, for example; you want to be holding cash.
The only thing that might lessen the march towards economic collapse would be to drastically reduce spending; that means not only not enacting the rest of Obama's grandiose and delusional agenda, but actually rolling back the budget by an additional $300 to $400 billion from where it was in 2008. Such fiscal discipline would also have the serendipitous effect of keeping Treasury securities at lower interest rates, as default would be less likely in a scenario of economic responsibility.
Some kind of stimulus would almost certainly still be needed to stave off a double-dip recession; but we could do an awful lot to mitigate the damage caused by such spending by spending it more wisely. That is, Barack Obama's syllogism is simply false: It really does matter to the economy what you stimulate.
Instead of shoveling money to pet projects of liberals, if our "stimulus" included things that actually create wealth directly or indirectly, rather than just spreading the existing wealth around — we would encourage our economy to grow. Instead of focusing on dividing the pie, focus on baking a bigger one.
What kind of stimulus am I talking about?
- Repair and upgrade of infrastructure, including water distrubution, road building, the electricity grid, and hardening our electronics against the electromagnetic pluse (EMP) effect;
- Building a bunch of new nuclear power plants;
- Dramatically upgrading and improving our border security;
- Offering low-cost loans to recent or even start-up small businesses;
- Fully privatize Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (paying the transition costs), and so forth.
And that is the only long-term solution to such fiscal problems: growth, growth, growth. Knowledge is being created all the time; wealth is the application of knowledge and human industry to natural resources; thus an increase in knowledge should normally trigger an increase of real wealth. As knowledge always increases, in this day of survivable recording media (the Dark Ages could not happen again), the normal state should be a continuing rise in real weath over time.
The theory is sound; it's only its application that has been wanting in recent years.
Cross-posted on Big Lizards…

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Short term trends: Another proxy fight
There are two main responses to complexity in science. One is to give up studying that subject and retreat to simpler systems that are more tractable (the 'imagine a spherical cow' approach), and the second is to try and peel away the layers of complexity slowly to see if, nonetheless, robust conclusions can be drawn. Both techniques have their advantages, and often it is the synthesis of the two approaches that in the end provides the most enlightenment. For some topics, the two paths have not yet met in the middle (neuroscience for instance), while for others they almost have (molecular spectrometry). The climate system as a whole is one of those topics where complexity is intrinsic, and while the behaviour of simpler systems or subsystems is fascinating, one can't avoid looking directly at the emergent properties of the whole system – of which the actual temperature changes from month to month are but one.
We have found some ways to peel back the curtain though. For instance, we know that the shifts in equatorial conditions associated with El Niño/Southern Oscillation (ENSO) in the Pacific have a large impact on year-to-year temperature anomalies. So do volcanoes. Accounting for these factors can remove some of the year-to-year noise and make it easier to see the underlying trends. This is what Foster and Rahmstorf (2011) did, and the result shows that the underlying trends (once the effects of ENSO are subtracted) are remarkably constant:
Another way one might deal with the seemingly contradictory tangle of linear trends is to impose a constraint that any linear fits must be piecewise continuous i.e. every trend segment has to start from the end of the last trend segment. Many of you will have seen the SkepticalScience 'Down the up escalator' figure (a version of which featured in the PBS documentary last month) – which indicates that in a noisy series you can almost always find a series of negative trends regardless of the long term rise in temperatures. You will have noted that the negative trends always start at a warmer point than where the previous trend ended. This is designed to make the warming periods disappear (and sometimes this is done quite consciously in some 'skeptic' analyses). The model they are actually imposing is a linear trend, followed by an instantaneous jump and then another linear trend – a model rather lacking in physical basis!
However, if one imposes the piecewise continuous constraint, there are no hidden either warming or cooling jumps, and it is often a reasonable way to characterise the temperature evolution. If you looked for a single breakpoint in the whole timeseries i.e. places where the piecewise linear trend actually improves the fit the most, you would pick Apr 1910, or Feb 1976. There are no reasons either statistically or physically to think that the climate system response to greenhouse gases actually changed in August 1997. But despite the fact that August 1997 was shamelessly cherry-picked by David Rose because it gives the lowest warming trend to the present of any point before 2000, we can still see what would happen if we imposed the constraint that any fit needs to be continuous:
A different view, no?
But let's go back to the fundamental issue – what do all these statistical measures suggest for future trends?
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text: Hello Neil,Thanks for the update. I'm not experienced in cold weather (Vic) overwintering, but there are a couple of reasons I can think of you might need a new queen. If the queen is a new supercedure you might have to wait a week or so in case she hasn't started laying. If this is the one which has been there a while without laying she could be a problem as they are obviously still foraging very well and haven't shut down yet. So bees will be dying earlier and not replaced, and numbers will go down. And your other hives still have brood so that is an indication. But can you still get mated queens this time of year? You could put brood frames in because it sounds like there's no place for a queen to lay now.Lone


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Let me be the first to GROANNNNN. Well played, Mr. Palmer. Well played.
"Tonight on Drains Gone Wild!"
Drains Gone Wild: Leaky Faucet Edition
Shouldn't this have gone on sale on Punday?
pun.woot strikes again... and again.
Ok, it made me laugh... but would never be able to wear this in public.
a shameless pacifier
C'mon, Woot, where's the NSFW tag?
The quality of the shirts this week has really been spiraling downward. Whether that spiral is clockwise or counter clockwise may or may not be dependent on your present location.
That plug isn't shameless... it's just a whore.
So by taking off her bra... we have the chance to buy a t-shirt that should be her t-shirt for taking it off... I'm confused...
skatimmy737 wrote:"Tonight on Drains Gone Wild!"
damn... 10 seconds too slow. damn wireless.
Maybe I'll buy one for Heidi Montag, Queen of the Shameless Plug.
Those are some weird-colored safety goggles...
Oh wait.
Based on the shape of that top, the view from above would have been just as shameless.
Looks like she's into body piercings with that metal bit hanging from her belly button.
That'd better be at least an eighteen-year-old plug, or somebody's in big trouble.
Quite embarrassing - your text is showing.
Is anyone else confused about what kind of plug that is. Is if for a bathtub, a sink, a child?
wootasourous wrote:So by taking off her bra... we have the chance to buy a t-shirt that should be her t-shirt for taking it off... I'm confused...
mobius of shame?
parrotworks wrote:Quite embarrassing - your text is showing.
More embarrassing - if there was a dangling participle on that tee. *shudders*
Wow, quite possibly one of the worst shirts I've seen on shirt.woot.
is that a nose or a navel?
In for 3.
Lol just kidding. I'd kill my kittens before I ever do that. And I don't even have kittens.
this shirt gives me hope that someday, somehow...I too will have a shirt for sale on shirt.woot.com.
.....which will then be shamed and shunned here.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that's not even an A-cup?
From the thumnail I thought it was a naked dinner plate in a diaper, sucking a pacifier. My eyeballs, they deceive!!!!
This shirt is a good example of why I don't buy "Random Shirts" when they come up.
Seriously, Woot, really?
Maybe I just don't get it.
Schmoofy wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that's not even an A-cup?
training bra. surely.
What this shirt needs is the shirt.woot.com URL printed on it in place of the "shameless plug" text. As it stands, the shirt has some shame.
shameless hussy needs to put her top back on - kids view this site.
when does the hairy potter shirt go up? hippy gardeners...pun tastic site.
Woot, you have made me so proud! Robotic women's rights t-shirt on Monday. Liberated bra-less plug today. I don't know what else is in store for us ladies, but Woot, you're doin' us right!
I, for one, am happy to see such a strong commitment to fashion these days in the drain stoppage community. Was a time when they wouldn't even wear matching socks, let alone bra and panty sets.
Alright, so now for the perverse hypothesizing: Do you think that the plug is wearing briefs, thong, or g-string? Obviously, with that much sharing, the plug wouldn't be too offended at our discussing.
Las Vegas odds just out...over/under on this shirt is 286.
I'm definitely more likely to buy a pun shirt where the pun is on the shirt. A lot of the older shirts are only funny if you have time to figure out the pun it's illustrating.
MissJamieD wrote:Alright, so now for the perverse hypothesizing: Do you think that the plug is wearing briefs, thong, or g-string? Obviously, with that much sharing, the plug wouldn't be too offended at our discussing.
G-string is canceled out because there are no strings in the front.
Thong is still in question because thongs can be more brief-like in the front.
Briefs are still in question to...
But I would believe it to be more "cheeky" than anything. Something that would support the plugs supple buttocks. Nothing too showy just something to get a "rise" out of the male plugs.
Or if it going a little plug-curious, maybe even the kitchen sink drain. You never know.
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I read the size limitatins on physical sig size, but there wasn't any limit mentioned for how many KB it can be ? Is there no limit, cuz i have one i made thats about 900KB that is within the other posted size limits.
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Just physical, I believe.
Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:55 AM
ya, i think you're right ... HOWEVER ... i did load an animated sig that was 400KB - 500KB and everything slowed way the hell down ... i mean, WAY THE HELL DOWN ... haha .. so based on that, i prolly wont load anything much bigger than a couple hundred KB, if even that big.
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2005 Wayne Law Graduate Celebrates First Published Book
DETROIT (April 15, 2009) – Samuel Saks' potential did not go unnoticed by his professors during his time at Wayne State University Law School.
"He was a phenomenal student," said Professor Ralph Slovenko. "He was intelligent and motivated – the type of student who makes teaching a pleasure."
A 2005 graduate, Saks' talent made for a promising future. Now, just four years after graduation, Saks is celebrating his first published book, "Contemporary Issues in Law and Mental Health Practice," which focuses on educating mental health professionals on the proper use of mental health evidence in litigation.
"It is our hope that the book will provide insight into legal issues facing mental health professionals working within the judicial system," said Saks, who co-authored the book with Mike Brock, a mental health counselor who works in family law. "While the book is targeted toward these mental health professionals, an understanding of their point of view, training and ethical codes is helpful to all lawyers who work with them."
"I first became interested in mental health law and related areas while attending Professor Slovenko's excellent seminars on those subjects," said Saks. "With Professor Slovenko's help, I was able to turn a paper I wrote for his class into a published article."
Although Saks now has a few published articles under his belt, "Contemporary Issues in Law and Mental Health Practice" served as an entirely new experience for the up-and-coming lawyer.
"I learned the hard way that writing a book is not equivalent to writing a very long article," he said. "It took approximately a year and a half to put everything together and smooth out the wrinkles. My biggest challenge was making the legal intricacies understandable to our intended audience — mental health professionals."
"[Working for the Wayne Law Review] certainly helped me become a better editor," Saks said. "As did writing for Wayne Law professors like Brad Roth, Julia Qin and Ralph Slovenko."
After graduation, Saks clerked for Judge Sheldon Weisberg of the Arizona Court of Appeals. He currently works with Cantelme & Brown, PLC in Phoenix, Ariz. and focuses his practice in the areas of commercial litigation, representation of government entities, construction law, education law, employment law and real estate litigation. He also serves as the president-elect of the State Bar of Arizona Young Lawyers Division.
"Interning is a great way to get practical experience and have one less final to take at the end of the semester," said Saks, who interned in the federal district court and the Michigan Supreme Court. "If you can, clerk for a judge; there is no better post-law school job."
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I think it's different situations. With people, their loyalties, truthfulness and deceptions among other traits force fellow humans to kind of keep an arms length. Also there are exceptions to the rule with humans. But with dogs, you pretty much know where you stand in the relationship. I think this no nonsense primal connection allows humans that care opportunities to become closer to their dogs than other humans especially when the dog lives inside in close proxcimity.
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I really think some people have the same connection, or sometimes even stronger to their pets than to people.
I for one, have some trust/anxiety issues with people. I'm actually really uncomfortable letting people get close to me, and that even goes for some of my closest friends. I am introverted and shy. To me, my pets are safer, and less complicated than humans. So I think I allow myself to become more attached to them, vs people.
lovemygirl, your post is perfect. And I'm so sorry for your loss.
You're right, it's missing them at every moment that really hits you hard. They are never anywhere but at your side (like it or not!), how many people can you say that about? None, likely.
It really depends on your personality.
For the most part, the loss of my dog would hit harder for me. She is my constant companion and a part of my everyday life. I trust her, she doesn't want anything from me, but two square meals a day and love. Her affection for me is unflappable and unchanging. There are no strings attached and I love the simplicity of it.
I lost my mom to cancer about a year and a half ago. That was brutal. Everything about it was like getting a knife in my heart and I miss her terribly. Besides my mom, my dad and my two sisters would devastate me to lose them.
Other than those people, my dog is a bigger part of my life. It doesn't mean I wouldn't be sad or feel a sense of loss for others, but I don't think it would hit me nearly as hard.
I really think some people have the same connection, or sometimes even stronger to their pets than to people.
I for one, have some trust/anxiety issues with people. I'm actually really uncomfortable letting people get close to me, and that even goes for some of my closest friends. I am introverted and shy. To me, my pets are safer, and less complicated than humans. So I think I allow myself to become more attached to them, vs people.
So I think your personality has a lot to do with it. They say people get breeds to suit their personality, well the GSD aloofness, certainly matches my own!
I also don't think it's wrong to love your dog more than you love most people. Your dog is someone who is always happy to see you, they don't nag (well, not much!), they are happy to just hang out and enjoy a comfortable silence.
|When Heidi passes, it will be the worst thing that ever happened to me. I hated losing my parents too. With people since we have so much longer with them, lots of times, we lose them little by little, especially if they live to an old age, so we are kind of ready for it. Of course not always, but often. With dogs, everything is speeded up and it seems like we have them for such a short time, even if they live their entire lifespan.
Good timing on this post as I am currently experiencing this....
Eva's death has hit me harder than any human's death. I think partially it's because she lived with me - other deaths, like a family member who passed away suddenly and at a young age, I have been able to compartmentalize and deal with in chunks. But Eva... we spent every moment together when I wasn't at work. Literally. I didn't even shower or use the bathroom alone! There is a huge absence in every moment, from not being greeted at the door to stepping out of the shower to an empty bathroom to not needing to fill up her food bowl to missing (!) our 4AM walks...
|I think it depends on how healthy your relationships are, human or animal. If you have a loving, close relationship with your family, then of course you will feel their loss deeply when they're gone. Same with your pets. However, troubled relationships sometimes mean you cling closer to your pets and invest more in them because that relationship is uncomplicated.
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Having to part with WD was much harder than when my father died. WD was part of my being, my father was my father, that's all.
It does surprise me but not to the point of guilt.
I've lost an aunt as well as a dog and I was devastated by both in very different ways. I was in shock when my aunt arrested and died hours later. It took me a good two weeks of seeming "fine" to everyone else as I comforted family, did chores while others were mourning, etc. for it to actually hit me. I'm not really a crying type but I did feel the intense sadness and loss belatedly.
With my dog I was sobbing immediately and it lasted for days. I felt so lonely and like a huge chuck was missing out of my life. My bed was empty. There was all this free time that was empty. Just a horrible, guilty and empty feeling.
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I don't understand something. It actually makes me feel very guilty. I'm pretty sure I'd take the loss of my dog(s) much harder than I would the loss of a close family member or friend.
Would you take it much harder as well? Why? Does it make you feel guilty?
Does this mean we value the life of a dog much higher than a human being? Isn't that so very very wrong?
I don't think there is a right or wrong. It's all very personal and depends on your attachment to your animal.
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a place for zinesters - writers and readers
Would anyone be interested in reading or contributing to a Doctor Who fanzine? I have contacted a few people about this, but I'm really looking to get a start on it.
It will probably focus mostly on the new series, but include info/essays on the old series as well. Let me know by posting here or sending me a PM :)
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i don't know if i'd manage to come up with a contribution but i'd definitely be interested in reading it!
i've been experiencing some serious withdrawals since 'good man goes to war'. i'll put my thinking fez on, (fezzes are cool) and pass the message around
xx tukru
Count me in! What timeframe are you looking for as far as contributions are concerned? I will probably write a nice long rant about the creepiness of <SPOILER> being <SPOILER> and <SPOILER>'s kid, with a smattering of Moffat's offscreen misogynist moments thrown in for good measure.
I don't have a deadline yet because I just wanted to see what the interest was first. The only guidelines are for artwork - I plan to make the zine half size (8.5x11 paper folded in half), so just make sure it fits. I'm looking for anything at this point - essays, critiques, episode reviews, comics, fanfic...really, whatever you want - as long as it has to do with Doctor Who. Also, I would like to focus on the new series for the most part, as that is what I'm most familiar with - but I'll accept submissions about the old DW eps as well.
I'll work on adding everyone to a list and then I'll send out e-mails with more information, like deadlines and any other guidelines I can think of. I'd like to make this a regular fanzine, maybe coming out three times a year, so there will also be a need for more submissions in the future!
Thanks for responding, everyone. I'm really excited about this!
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WE HAD a lot of family get-togethers when I was growing up. My grandmother, aunts and mom were all good cooks, and each had her own specialty when it came to bread. But Mom's was my favorite - she started making it 40 years ago. The flavors call to mind the taste of corn bread stuffing! -Shirley Smith, Yorba Linda, California
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- 1-1/2 cups all-purpose flour
- 2 tablespoons sugar
- 4 teaspoons baking powder
- 1-1/2 teaspoons salt
- 1 teaspoon rubbed sage
- 1 teaspoon dried thyme
- 1-1/2 cups yellow cornmeal
- 1-1/2 cups chopped celery
- 1 cup chopped onion
- 1 jar (2 ounces) chopped pimientos, drained
- 3 large eggs, beaten
- 1-1/2 cups fat-free milk
- 1/3 cup vegetable oil
- In a large bowl, combine the flour, sugar, baking powder, salt, sage and thyme. Combine cornmeal, celery, onion and pimientos; add to dry ingredients and mix well. Add eggs, milk and oil; stir just until moistened. Pour into a greased 10- or 11-in. ovenproof skillet. Bake at 400° for 35-45 minutes or until bread tests done. Serve warm. Yield: 10 servings.
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Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by Hotsauce, Feb 16, 2006.
yi: 2 pts 1 reb 36% shooting 3 TO......ALL STAR!!! Starting for the EAst!!!
We should trade a pick for a young big that is starting to come on (DMC is not an option) just so we can retain bird rights... the picks are too much of a crap shoot... why not snag someone that has been developed on someone elses nickel.
but who? and if they were good, why would they give him up for another pick? I kinda like the kid but if he comes here its over. He'll be a failure...he doesn't have Darko's youth.
This is where creative accounting comes in... first you need to deal with a tight fisted owner that will be in the tax if they re-sign their young big... give them an expiring (D.D.) and a pick Or you can deal with a team that has excessive bigs: Boston- Perkins Wizards- Haywood Dallas- Diop S.A.- Butler, Elson Seattle- Wilcox, Petro Warriors- Biedrins, O'Bryant Lakers- Kwame
Elson in interesting. A type of guy that Dumars likes....big, agile big guy. Kwame...hell no...can we get Bynum instead? I liked Perkins but I'm losing it for him. I'm down with grooming Amir. He should be the answer.
Do we really want him? ESPN.com - NBA - Chinese prospect Yi gets permission to enter '07 draft
I've watched the last few Sonics games, and my impression so far is that Petro doesn't know how to play, and Wilcox is a beast. This guy looks like a bargain for the 25 or 30 mill the Sonics are paying him.
we don't need another big
why not linwood? I think we will be looking for a PG. 3 way trade with Mil and Utah so we get deron.lol. ok I'm off my fantasy meets reality kick
I like Bynum's upside better also... but the Lakers are real high on him... As for Kwame I think it's a good idea to see where he is today vs. his past... he had a solid year... his problems was nervous energy.... he was starting to let the game come to him and it showed.... he should be a solid pro from this point.
Kwame is someone you sign for the MLE not trade draft picks for...I agree that bynum ain't going anywhere unless we pay mad dollars but like we never do that.
I guess I should have asked: "Does this guy really want to play for us?" Here's a little quote from his handlers:
I think our window is closing so our run for the title reasoning will have to be scrutinized and a more developmental approach should be considered.
A more concerning part for me was:
He was saying guaranteed all-star b/c he would get a billion votes from China every year, not b/c of his stats...
Dude....That IS what I'm saying too!! that's why I said Starting for the East.
Have to toot my horn on this one. This was the cat I told everybody about long before he got drafted (thanx to my peeps in NJ). This may be a good year to nab a rook or two. By all accounts this is a deep draft. For grins, I'll throw out two names. Josh McRoberts and Hasheem Thabeet. Thats assuming we don't need a PG.
I don't think we'll draft a PG unless its a no brainers type.
The chance of getting a quality PG later in the draft are much better than getting solid big (of course there are exceptions)... If we get a chance to draft 6 -15 it should be for a center (yes Darko could end up better than what we end up with)... I'd like to see a 7'er that you can dump it down to and he knows what to do with it... he should also mobile on D.
If we get a late first rounder (maybe mid to late) the guy I want us looking at is Acie Law. He's the point guard for Texas A&M. His shooting numbers were down last year, but he's a great leader, quick with the ball end to end, and an excellent penetrator. No way knowing what we'll do this early, of course, and if I had to bet I would say we won't have both picks come draft time (either ours or Orlando's will be traded).
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Broker Dealers, Equity-Focused Managers To Lag On Taper Delay: Citi
Investors are still wading through the implications of the Federal Reserve's decision not to begin tapering its bond purchases. Citigroup's William Katz has a note out today wading through the consequences for brokers and asset managers.
He expects two main outcomes from the taper delay. Firstly, that broker dealers will likely lag in the short term, given rate leverage embedded in their models and recent outperformance—although he warns that a more prolonged delay would "materially impact" the time before these names will reach normalized earnings. He also writes that managers focused on stocks will likely lag compared to fixed income managers, while wondering overall if the move calls into question the strength of the economic recovery and the credibility of the Fed.
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Moving up Franklin Resources (BEN) among Traditionals; Close out T. Rowe Price (TROW)/Legg Mason (LM) pair trade — We are still selective on Traditional managers but are re-ranking our short-term (ST) preferences as we believe FI-centric managers may outperform as NAV risks diminish while volumes become more sustainable. Invesco (IVZ) remains our top selection but we move up BEN ahead of TROW. BEN should outperform given: a) attractive relative valuation; and, b) easing investor concern over FI NAV risk and global bond volumes. We also close out long TROW/underweight LM pair trade as equities flow recovery could slow. Additionally, we see Wisdom Tree Investments (WETF) negatively impacted as DXJ is ~35% of AUM and depreciating USD may result in uneven ST volumes.
Expect B/Ds to lag in the ST but keeping perspective on LT thesis — The delay in tapering and the pullback in rate expectations weakens the ST case for rate sensitive names but does not take away from upside potential with respect to normalized earnings power. While the 10-year Treasury yield pulled back sharply on 9/18 to 2.70%, it is still up from ~2.50% at 6/30. Nonetheless, we see Buy-rated LPL Financial (LPLA) and Neutral-rated Raymond James Financial (RJF) as likely defensive in the ST given FI centricity within key businesses; lower correlation to long end of the curve; and underperformance relative to TD Ameritrade (AMTD) + Charles Schwab (SCHW). Among LPLA and RJF, we prefer LPLA given stronger ETR potential and less risk around consensus expectations. That said, there is no change to our positive LT thesis on B/Ds reflecting bottoming EPS expectations; improving retail re-engagement; and higher NIM.
For alternative names, Katz notes these remain well positioned, as low rates in the short term could reduce pressure on financing costs (although with the prospect of reduced economic growth). He favors Blackstone Group (BX), Apollo Group (APO), KKR, (KKR), and Och-Ziff Capital Management Group (OZM).


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Monday, July 6, 2009
Freelancing Is Not Slavery, N.C. Winters.
But this morning, I was disappointed by the comic and N.C. Winters' framing of freelancing as slavery:
To recap: The white freelance designer is behind on his work. This is somehow analogous to being a slave - complete with the shackles and physical abuse. Hilarious!
Using slavery as a visual metaphor for hardworking white people is an expression of the systematic minimization of the pain and ongoing legacy of slavery. Just because the point of reference is several hundred years old does not mean that the racism inherent and essential to the reference has faded into nothing.
Slavery is not over. It is not a joke, or a punchline. It's not at all similar to an independent contractor's work ethic and implied inability to plan ahead. Using slavery to humorously illustrate a comparably trivial point - the occasional hardship of freelancing as a career - marginalizes and dismisses the serious hardships suffered by enslaved Americans and its present effect on the black community in America today.
Even more problematic is the whiteness of the "enslaved" character (and the comic is written by a white man). The white man's burden is not that heavy. A white man freelancing is not analogous to a black man stolen from his home country and forced into slavery. White American men do not bear the ongoing brunt of slavery, and have absolutely no right to imply that they suffer anything similar to slavery - even if "it's just a joke". It's privileged folks wielding their privilege to dismiss the roots and thus the present fact of racism.
The most callous construction in the comic above is the physical violence implied by the crack of the whip and the lashes on the character's back. Being tied to a deadline so that you can continue to work and support yourself and your family is not similar to the degradation and humiliation of flagellation.
The cartoon above is callous, degrading, and racist. N.C. Winters needs to think and consider very carefully before publishing lighthearted cartoons that capitalize on America's history of racial inequality.
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My friend, that is sick. You should email the cartoonist (and FreelanceSwitch) with a link to this post. That sort of shit shouldn't be allowed ANYWHERE. And the scary part about it is, as you kind of said, I'll bet the cartoonist had no idea that this might be offensive.ReplyDelete
I left a comment at the post, but surprise surprise, it did not make it through moderation.ReplyDelete
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- AnonymousJuly 12, 2009 at 8:30 PM
"Using slavery as a visual metaphor for hardworking white people is an expression of the systematic minimization of the pain and ongoing legacy of slavery. Just because the point of reference is several hundred years old..."ReplyDelete
I thought the point of reference here was thousands of years old: Greek-owned trireme ships on the Mediterranean in which the slaves were chained to oars to propel the ships, not British-owned galleon ships on the Middle Passage in which the slaves were chained to each other to stay belowdecks.
- AnonymousJuly 12, 2009 at 8:32 PM
Also, I agree that freelancing is not slavery!ReplyDelete
"Slavery is not over."
I agree - it continued after the U.S. outlawed slavery, and it started long before the Middle Passage started.
- AnonymousJuly 13, 2009 at 1:32 PM
"I left a comment at the post, but surprise surprise, it did not make it through moderation."ReplyDelete
I noticed the moderator over there only allowed two comments* on racism and the rest were all about the difficulty of freelancing! WTF is up with that?
* here they are, in case the moderator over there deletes them too:
Jake: "Wow this comic is wildly inappropriate. Comparing a white business man to an African slave is pretty degrading."
Rafa: "mmm…wait, first, excuse me cause my english is bad, second, your comment maybe has a little tone of racism in the history of the humanity there weren´t only african slaves, there're scandinavian slaves of the vikings, the slaves of the romans, the slaves of the egipcians, the aztec's slaves, etc. And I believe the post is an example of the first I mentionated: the viking's slaves."
Anonymous, the first Anonymous above makes a good point, as does Rasa in the OP's comments.ReplyDelete
However, audience must be considered - most Americans, like me, are going to immediately associate this with the British/American slave trade, esp. with the whipping reference (which, by the way, is misogynistic). If he wanted it to be read as the Hellenistic slave trade, he should have had some reference to that.
- DirigibleJuly 15, 2009 at 1:06 AM
If the image clearly includes people chained to ranks of oars, which as far as I can tell never happened in the Atlantic slave trade for a lot of obvious reasons, why would - or should - the author expect anyone to make that connection?ReplyDelete
Can you explain how the whipping reference is misogynistic?


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A Better Way to Fight Abortion
By bryan chapell
January 22, 2013
[Editor's Note: Today marks 41 years since the Supreme Court declared abortion legal. On this anniversary of Roe v. Wade, we're republishing this article from last year that takes a look back at the Church's pro-life efforts and forward at what Christians can do about abortion.]
It is not very pleasant to speak about abortion. So why bother? The most compelling reason struck me vividly as I prepared a sermon to address another anniversary of Roe v. Wade. In reviewing many years' worth of my own sermons on the abortion topic, what caught my eye and again captured my heart was not the debatable issues but the growing numbers I have used in those sermons over the years: 6 million, 8 million, 9 million, 16 million, 22 million, 27 million, 32 million, 35 million, 37 million and counting—the number of unborn children whose lives have been ended by abortion.
The magnitude of this tragedy, the loss of 37 million children knit by God and shredded by men, demands that we speak, renew our zeal, refresh our compassion and reignite our commitment to speak for "the least of these" that are so precious to God, regardless of the discomfort it causes us. And in the face of this, we must continue to ask: What should the Church say and do?
In our churchly attempts to influence popular culture, we may have been too quick to seek alternatives to the spiritual forces that are the true and greater powers influencing the direction of any society.
To answer this question, I am not going to focus on political strategies or picketing life-chains or the debates of the public square. I do not mean to minimize the importance of such measures or to say that the Church has no role in them. Rather, my intention when answering what the Church should do about abortion is to call the Church to what the Church does best. I want to challenge you to consider the unique contribution that the Church can make, to recognize that some of our tensions and frustrations with each other may result from trying to force the Church into patterns and practices that are outside her divine design. As a result, in our churchly attempts to influence popular culture, we may have been too quick to seek alternatives to the spiritual forces that are the true and greater powers influencing the direction of any society (Ephesians 6:12). And it is these spiritual forces that must be the chief preoccupation of the Church.
Teach the truth (about each child)
The fact that the child in the womb is a work and a wonder of God gives the Church the right and responsibility to insist that, though unseen by the world, the babe is a child, not a choice; a person, not a lump of protoplasm. This is the most critical truth that the Church must say. We must not believe that such statements are useless or will always fall on deaf ears.
The reason that pro-abortion advocates are so zealous that expectant mothers not be shown pictures or models of pre-born children is that when mothers see what is being destroyed by abortion, their hearts resonate with the biblical perspective that the unborn child is precious. The prestigious New England Journal of Medicine reports that when mothers see an ultrasound image of the child, an emotional bonding takes place even before the child's movement is felt. When technology lets us see what the psalmist says that God already sees in the womb (Psalm 139:11-16), then the divine imprint on the human heart whispers in the most powerful and deep chords, "This child is precious, and destroying this little one is wrong."
But it is not enough to say that the child in the womb is precious. Key in the abortion battle is not simply to affirm how precious the baby is to God, but to declare how precious is the mother (another child of God), whom God made and knows and touches.
To warn of sin's consequences and still to love is our calling, and it is the power of the Gospel against the greatest of evils.
Yes, "It's a baby." Yes, "It's a child, not a choice." But because mother and child are precious, we also say, "Mothers hurt when their babies die." The Feminists for Life organization captures something of this truth with its motto: "Abortion hurts women, kills children and destroys families."
Share grace
I have a younger brother who has had mental disabilities since birth. I have wished many things for him, but I have never wished that he were dead. I have discovered that part of the divine imprint on my own heart is to love as a precious gift one who is imperfect. If we really lose this capacity to care for the flawed, if all that we finally value are those who are whole, lovely and well-formed, then we will ultimately find we are incapable of loving anyone. For we are all fallen creatures in a fallen world, and if we must discard or kill what does not please us, then we will find there is no value in the old, the infirm, the incapable or our own imperfect lives.
Grace teaches us something different: that the unlovely are loved by God. This message may not only preserve the life of the unborn child who is in some way flawed or suspected of being flawed; it can also dissuade the mother who is seeking abortion. The shame that may be driving her to seek an abortion does not mean that she is unloved; a past mistake does not mean that she is unforgivable; even a past abortion does not mean she faces eternal rejection. And the man who may be urging an abortion because of his own fear of shame or disadvantage or retribution may also find new incentive to protect the unborn when he discovers the embrace of grace.
That embrace will mean nothing, of course, if it is not accompanied by meaningful love.
I believe, and I think you believe, that an understanding of who God is and what He has done is what is ultimately needed to turn people away from abortion. But if those who supposedly represent this God present themselves as angry, hateful and mean-spirited, then it is foolish to believe that their God will be perceived as anything different. To warn of sin's consequences and still to love is our calling, and it is the power of the Gospel against the greatest of evils.
Yes, we must politic and protest and publish, but the arm of man will not save us or these children. We must seek our God, with the Church doing what it does best: testifying to truth of the preciousness of life, preaching grace, demonstrating love and praying.
Taken from The Hardest Sermons You'll Ever Have to Preach by ROBERT RAYBURN; John Collins. Copyright 2011 by Bryan Chapell . Used by permission of Zondervan.
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A child conceived by rape doesn't know the circumstances of its creation. Aborting the child will not erase PTSD from the rape, nor will it make the mother forget her rapist. Abortion comes with its own traumatics as well that are commonly experienced. I will never say that a woman raped should keep her baby, but aborting it will not somehow reconcile her trauma and pain from the rape itself.
There is no "one, simplistic" solution. Within a year's time, my wife and I were confronted with a couple of women considering abortions. Knowledge of these cases came to us from a sister in Christ who just didn't know what to do. Neither did we. Suddenly, we decided to ask the women for their babies until the women could get back on their feet. We promised to give the babies back if that is what the women wanted, or we would next try to adopt them, even at 50+ years of age.
Interestingly, our sister came back and said the one friend is considering our offer. Several months later, the sister came back and said that both women had chosen to keep their children. The one who considered our offer stated that knowing that a couple cared enough for her to help her in such an unusual way helped her to make the "right decision" (her words). We don't know what, if anything, the other woman thought.
Was this legal? No, but we figured that people in the Christian community would come through with whatever help we needed while giving as little exposure as possible to legal consequences. However, I don't know if this is true, and we didn't have to find out. But it must be worth the risk to save and value a life, otherwise there is nothing worth any sort of risk!
Really, this is what we see as seeing the way God sees. Like I said at first, there are many ways to respond to abortion. Just don't be afraid to try one, especially before it's too late for the baby.
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I'm sorry, but this article shows, again, just how out of touch the Christian church is when it comes to abortion and women's reproductive rights. I whole heartedly agree that we need to have grace, love and patience when it comes another's actions and heart. However, I think we all need to step back and look at the reality of this situation. I'm pretty sure the gentleman who wrote this article is an older white male, who most likely lives in a comfortable neighborhood. I doubt the the author has ever been in the position of needing an abortion. Never experienced being abandoned by his partner only to find out he was pregnant, with no resources and no help. He was never a teenage girl who came from a poor or split family, who had no one to turn to and no money to even care for a child. Do you or the author know what the fear feels like? Like your world is crumbling. The world's weight is on your shoulders and you are beyond terrified because of what people are going to think, what is going to happen to your future plans, how are you going to work and care for a child? I believe that every woman has choice on what happens to her body and to her fetus/baby. Yes, it is a creation of God, but so are homeless people, so are the hungry, so are the drug addicts, prostitutes, and the out of touch wealthy. Why does the church then continually put more effort, thought, and money into abortion instead of homelessness, hunger, and the sin of excess and gluttony? Legalizing, mandating, or requiring (all forms/words for force)a woman to get an ultrasound before an abortion is not the answer to your problem, nor never will be. Abortion has been around since the beginning of time and will always be. I believe God is a loving, merciful, splendid God, and he knows his children. He knows the suffering of the young girl who feels her only choice is abortion. I truly believe God will not condemn her, judge her, but mourn her suffering with her. The solution to your problem is not persuading women to not have an abortion under loving, religious pretenses. The solution is to meet these women on their level. If she is going to keep this baby, she most likely needs a place to stay, money and resources for prenatal and birth care, a community that supports her and counsels her in mothering, day care, job placement, schooling, family counseling. Standing in picket lines, handing out pamphlets about how much god loves her fetus, and forcing ultrasounds, does nothing to solve the problem. Why aren't we giving up the extra rooms in our homes to a mother who decided not to have an abortion, why aren't we feeding her? why aren't we financially assisting her so she can mother and go to school? Why aren't we paying for her health care costs? Why aren't we taking care of her child so she can better herself? Why aren't we offering her family counseling so that the problems she grew up with do not continue into the next generation? If Christ were to see abortion as a problem, I'm sorry, but I think he'd either be sitting right next to this girl in the abortion clinic, or he'd be giving her a home, food, and love. Not shame, not a loving persuasion. As a Christian, and as a woman working in reproductive rights, I beg you all to quit wasting your time sitting in your comfortable neighborhood crying out against abortion, or standing in your judgmental pro life-lines, or handing out pamphlets that ultimately end up as litter. Go be Christ to these women. Go feed her, clothe her and her child. Go help her find resources. Be her friend, and love her. Only then, will women not feel alone, unsupported, and resource less in their pregnancies. Christ didn't picket, Christ didn't create misogynistic laws, Christ didn't stay in his comfortable life crying out against things and those that his community told him to. He was the person getting picketed, he was the one that everyone was crying out against. He was the one that sat next to the sinner and broke bread with them and gave them shelter. Go and BE Christ.
I'm not saying that it is justification for abortion, i was presenting the thought process that these women go through and how out-of-touch society and christians are when it comes to the need for abortion. The problem is not should abortion be legal or not legal. The problem is that we have women in our neighborhoods who are alone and struggling and are products of a society that does not teach the true consequences of intercourse outside of a committed relationship. The problem is that women feel they have no other choice and the church is doing nothing about those real problems and instead is shaming women for what they feel is the only option they have. The church has consistently turned their eyes from the racism, socioeconomic and gender inequalities that are at root of abortion. Shaming women, charging them with murder, comparing their life's struggle to mass murders is not loving and is not Christ. Where is the compassion, empathy, and love? Christ is not throwing stones at women who seek abortions, neither should anyone else. Oh, and it became a strictly feminist issue when the fetus was conceived in our wombs, in OUR bodies. When men grow a uterus and know what it feels like to have the world think they know what's best for your body, they can have a true empathetic opinion.
Very good points. I can definitely agree with you are saying. I suppose those perspectives are pretty important when it comes to the big picture. Thank you for sharing. When it comes to it being strictly a feminist issue, however, I still have to disagree slightly. I definitely understand that I do not have a uterus, and I will never be pregnant, so I cannot relate on that level, but when we make this into an issue solely about "a woman's control over her body" then we lose sight of the fact that within that body is an innocent life, regardless. I don't think that it is any "pro-life" person's agenda to control a woman's body, but to preserve the sanctity of human life. Make sense?
I agree with Emily. It does absolutely zero good to discuss abortion solely as a life and death issue without discussing the issues that face people considering abortion. For anyone who considers themselves to be "pro-life" and has never known anyone who has had or has considered an abortion, I would encourage them to go volunteer at a Christian pregnancy center, go work in a ministry for single mothers, or go mentor a pregnant teenager. Go meet somebody who has actually struggled with the realities of what has become a popular debate topic and then think about abortion.
Great article, there is so much more the church could be doing. With respect to those criticizing this article for not promoting support for women in crisis, lots of churches do support woman in a crisis, we just don't hear about it because of respecting dignity and privacy. In fact, a lot of crisis pregnancy support I have seen in my city comes from a Christian-based, pro-life groups. But I agree, much more can be done in this respect, so rather than harp on the author, meet with your local church, find out what they are doing and how you can help. Without the steps suggested in this article, it is difficult to mobilize the church body, so I found this article quite interesting.
Nearly 25 years ago, I wrote a column for Commonweal after a high school girl was kicked out of the National Honor Society for becoming pregnant and bearing the child to term. If she'd had an abortion, she would have retained her "honor." And the child's father, whom she did not name, retained his.
As Christians, this is what we are still not getting. We join the world in shaming and penalizing young women who make the right choice today having made a wrong choice yesterday. And we let the young men go.
I'm not justifying abortion by any stretch. I'm simply challenging us as Christians to recognize that we're complicit. As long as we shame pregnant girls and insist that young people not marry until they can support themselves independent of the family home and business [a new standard of the last 50 years or so], there will be abortions. More and more of them.
I found this article extremely frustrating. No one is pro-abortion. No one WANTS to have an abortion. Women chose abortions when they have no other option. We cannot expect a woman with no means to support herself or a child for that matter to carry her child to term no matter what. And adoption can be just as painful as abortion! You get to see the life your brought into the world get taken away from you. So no. I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice because it's unrealistic to expect all women to come to term when they have no way of doing so without ruining their lives and possibly even the child's. And what about women who are victims of rape and incest? Do we really expect to carry to term? How inhumane and unmerciful is that? It is not as simple as a child's life. If it was,there would be no debate. That being said, it is tragic. It is tragic that we've lost so many lives through abortion, but maybe if we focused on helping women so that they never HAVE to consider abortion, there would be less.
I would disagree: some are pro-abortion. It can often be celebrated as an equivocal choice to having a child, or getting your hair done, or some other innocuous to-do, which it is not. (See last year's DNC as an example.) The author brings up the issue of "teaching the truth" because some people will get an abortion since they have been told things that are not the truth. The idea of ultra sounds is to make the point that some people don't realize the gravity of what they are doing and when they are confronted with it, their decisions are altered due to the "bonding" that is created.
Also, to say that you are pro-choice because it would ruin the life of the mother is odd, because many who have had abortions would say that it has ruined their life. And I am sure you cannot really be pro-choice since it will ruin the life of the child; that makes no sense since you are destroying the life of the child in the womb. Are you really saying having no life is better than having a chance at living a life full of redemption (or at least the potential for it)? I think you need to rethink your position, or at least your reasons for holding it.
Up to 40% of all pregnancies are ended by "natural abortion" (miscarriages), or as many would say "by God's will".
Curious what you mean by that? I get that God has designed our bodies to abort a fetus that is incompatible with life...
Which means God has deliberately designed 40% of fetuses to be incompatible with life. If these fetus was so precious to God, why would he ensure that nearly half of them were naturally aborted by the woman's body?
Why would he create disease & cancer that kills people? Why would he allow people to fire guns that kill children? Why would he allow racism & human trafficking? Etc., & on & on…
The answer is he didn't.
If you really want to ask these kinds of questions you will run into problems & you will now have to go back & reconcile sin & the fall. You mischaracterize God when you say he "deliberately designed fetuses" to miscarry. Miscarriage was never the intent; that was brought in by the fall. Which, in Paul's words, is the curse we brought upon creation. It is not something God did.
I would question a statistic worded as "up to 40% of pregnancies". This kind of thing would be a solid number if it came from a solid source.
God does not cause tragedies that naturally occur in this world (floods, hurricanes, miscarriage, etc). If you disagree on this point, we are not talking about the same God.
100% of human lives are ended, often through "natural" death. That doesn't make it morally justifiable for us to kill people. I'm not completely sure what I think about (very) early term abortion, but I lean fairly strongly against it.


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