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How long does a 15 gallon holding tank take to fill up? Anyone have any experience with treatment systems? Are they a real bear to integrate? Are they really sanitary/environmentally sound?
Any suggestions for vaccum cleaners? I was thinking a mini-wet/dry shopvac. With our dog, it's a necessity.
Aftermarket shipborne heaters and AC - what sort of price range can I expect to find on these? Where can I begin looking? Are there any used ones out there?
Speaking of heating - I've read that most people use propane, electricity, and diesel heaters. No love for the old fashioned wood stove? Does this have more to do with fuel storage than anything else?
Home-entertainment systems - I'm lucky to have an HD projector and awesome surround sound here in my apartment, I know those will have to go. ...but has anyone set up a flat-panel HDTV and small surround speakers? Any suggestions about what's better in the confined spaces of a boat?
Computers - should I stick with my laptop only? Or try to integrate a desktop in somewhere, using the TV as a monitor? Should I chuck my Playstation3 in favor of a blu-ray drive for the computer?
Mooring in DC - Eventually we'd like a slip, but we're willing to live "on the hook" for awhile until we sort that out... I read here that you can moor for free or very cheap for up to two weeks at a time off the gangplank marina; does that mean we'll need to find another place to stay for one or two nights a week? Where else could we moor in or around DC?
Toolkit - I'm going to need to pair down my set of tools. What do you think are the essentials I'll need to bring? (preliminary list: Sander, drill, circular saw, reciprocating saw, jigsaw, worklight, wrenches, drivers, planer, torque-wrench, hammer, ball-pein hammer, rubber mallet, steel drift, wood chisel)
Building a bimini - how hard is this? Anyone done it? I'd like to give it a go, any advice?
Dinghy's - is sail/row ok? Or is something with a motor really that crucial?
Firearm safety and storage aboard - where are the best places to keep the ship's armory?
Good luck! Enjoy your new adventure and when you're looking to buy a boat, stick with fiberglass.
MedSailor -lived aboard 8.5years on two boats. The first was wood and while I loved her, she broke my heart in the end. Don't buy wood unless you are already a marine carpenter.
|from what i just read the 37 hunters can get wet decks if you look make sure it gets checked
kris if you have the cash in hand call that guy and offer him 15 k based on a decent survey. if the survey says its okay buy it for 15. you might need to keep it in florida for a few months, or even the winter but cash is king, and he might go for a cash offer, worse they can say is no.
its getting to be hurrican season he will need to worry about that so the price might come down. heck when talking ask when/if the hurricans hit where the boat is due to maybe having to keep it there for a while. this might get him thinking getting rid of it now is a good idea
if you do get it ins it for the hurricanes
Apart from the many concerns voiced here about wood as a hull material (once more, my many thanks for your advice), the previous owner's use of 3M 5200 on the ballast/keel seam is what's got me the most concerned at the moment. This leak is a problem, and if it turns out I have to replace the keel bolts, I'm HOSED. If the rest of the boat is in great shape, that's all well and good, but this is a big gamble. Coupled with the short length at the waterline, I've got my eyes on other options, and even though the Hunter 36 I was looking at in MD has just sold, a 1984 Hunter 37 has just popped up in Florida.
Anyone know anything about this particular boat? I'm very encouraged by what I'm reading about the Hunters, and the 37 in general. The private quarterberth has got me all giddy - my kid could have his own room. I may just have to give these folks a call.
Guess we should stop trying to talk you out of it, I just would hate to see you say "my wife could not put up with the dampness..." or the work or what ever. If I was made of money and could afford to have several boats and have a full time person to work on them I might have a wood boat, They sure are beautiful. Just not practical.
The biggest issue with the Kettenburg is going to be resale, and you will want to sell it to get away from the wooden boat maintenance. You may be able to get the same amount of money for it IF you maintain it to better than now standards IF you can find a buyer IF IF IF... Wood boats are very hard to sell, and many perfectly good boats get cut up because the owner is sick of maintaining it and cant find a buyer. Remember, too your talking about double the expense of maintaining a plastic boat. Many yards will be hesitant to even haul a wooden boat for fear of it being abandoned.
I know you seem dead set on a wood boat, I would say find a plastic for now, and in a few years that wood boat will likely still be for sale and get it after a few years of living on a fiberglass boat. You make it seem like you are going to be able to fix the leak, I doubt it. Not that I doubt your skills, but I doubt it can be fixed. Every wooden boat that is more than 15 years old leaks. (some would say 15 hours old) The only way I would touch a wooden boat is if I made it myself, or knew who made it and it was less than 10 years old, unless I decided I wanted to work on it more than be on it.
A fiberglass boat will not need to be hauled out every year, if you have good bottom paint you will get a few seasons out of it. Remember the entire time your out of the water your family will be in a hotel. Polishing and repainting a wooden boat will take a lot longer than a glass one and will need to be done every year.
Remember resale value is useless if you can't find some one to buy it!
What about the Kettenburg makes you classify it as a CC, Brian? By all accounts I've read, a great many of them have crossed oceans (including the one in Florida for sale), and the hulls are very strong and sound. I know they have sailing characteristics not perfect for blue-water voyaging and require more tending of helm and sails than full-keel blue-water boats, but again, shouldn't hull-strength be a more important factor in oceanic voyaging than sailing qualities? Also, CD, where is that surveyor located in Florida? West Coast or East coast? It's possible that the owner of the Ket will be sailing it to the West Coast where he lives to make showing it easier - I may just shell out for the survey on the gamble that all will be well before I actually go out there, since there are not a lot of other boats I'd want to sail up from Florida.
Those are some very nice boats you guys linked me to, but I'm afraid they are all well out of my price-range. I don't want to take on a multi-year loan for a boat, and I certainly don't want to buy anything that far from depreciation. The Kett should hold value fairly well if I keep it in good shape, which I'll essentially HAVE to do, since it'd be my home (again, not SET on buying it, but leaning towards it).
Thanks for your post! My wife and I have been poking around your blog, actually, it's a great one, and full of ideas for us and our son. I'm sure we'll be contacting you sooner or later with a myriad of questions about the areas, marinas, commutes, and more!
Thanks again!
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svartsvensk, you need to give us a real name that is a mouth full to type
second it looks like your price range based on what you posted is 20 k, you might want to look at the irwin 37 cetner cockpit. i know you said something about CC's but for family liveaboard they look great for privacy reasons. they have a great lay out, i really like them, when/if i go bigger i will be looking closer at them
here is a link that has some 37 CC on it
Here is a bot if you can come up with the cash:
1981 Islander Freeport Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
Not a true go around the world boat, but built like a tank. There is another in our marina somewhat similar. This particual boat is maybe 6 slips down from me. If you can come up with just a bit more cash, I mught suggest it. I can take a look at it for you. I do not know the owner of this boat.
There is also another called a Downeast in our marina (2 of them actually) and if I am not mistaken, they were made by Valiant (at their location). THey are well built and hardy boats. Full Keels. I know the owner of one of them and it is magnificently cared for.
Here is one: Cedar Mills Marina & Resort (Gordonville, TX)
Here is the second (the one I know):
Cedar Mills Marina & Resort (Gordonville, TX)
Being that they are fresh water boats, they will cost more but you will find they are in much better shape than a similar boat in salt. I can pesonally vouch for the second DownEast.
We live aboard in Annapolis with our son and until last fall out 50-pound mutt as well (he died at age 15). I am also in the tv biz (but decided to go without one on board for the sake of our son). Sounds like we'd have a lot to talk about and I'd be happy to answer any questions for you or your wife about raising a family aboard in this area. Click on my blog link below to see how "normal" and lovely life aboard with a kid can be.
Hope to see you out here!
svartsvensk, you need to give us a real name that is a mouth full to type
second it looks like your price range based on what you posted is 20 k, you might want to look at the irwin 37 cetner cockpit. i know you said something about CC's but for family liveaboard they look great for privacy reasons. they have a great lay out, i really like them, when/if i go bigger i will be looking closer at them
here is a link that has some 37 CC on it
Yeah, wood is definitely more labor intensive, the finish on the hull needs to be polished every year, and any sort of bad spots in the paint need to be fixed as soon as they're apparent. Leaks in the hull happen, and repairing them is generally an out-of-water recaulking job, but that typically doesn't need to happen often. This particular boat was dry-hauled last year and taken down to the wood, and repainted after a close inspection by a (I hear) good surveyor. Unfortunately, the seal between the lead ballast and the wood keel was done using a 3M product that hardens and shrinks. It was then patched a little bit with some underwater putty, but it still leaks. I'll have to reseal this bit with a dry-haul and some proper caulk before doing anything serious with the boat, I imagine.
Wood boats that are badly neglected end up leaking all over, and those are the ones you hear horror stories about. Ones that have been well taken care of do still sometimes have problems, but it's usually not a nightmare (so I'm reading). Wood DECKS are one of those things that are constantly a problem, and I must say, even though they're pretty, I'm glad the Ket has fiberglass decking, and is not prone to leaks.
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Australian Muslims are upset at the recent conviction of a Muslim who was accused of writing a terrorist manual. Belai Saadallah Khazaal, was convicted of assisting the spread of terrorism because he wrote a manual. Muslim leader, Kuranda Seyit, said, "there terror laws have specially maee every Muslim a potential target for arrest by police. thre have been many people who have had their homes raided and their passports confiscaqted and this is simply unconstitutional. These laws are not keeping Australia safe, but in fact terrorising Australian Muslims."
The prosecutor argued Khazaai was urging others to engage in terrorist activities, but his defense attorney pointed out the material had actually been taken from Internet sources. The issues should be intention as well as capability. A teenager could gather material but lack any real intention of violence or be unable to carry out any threat.
The New South Wales Council for Civil Liberties raised questions as to whether "these terrorism laws allow police extreme powers to detain, question and gather evidence." Isn't the issue the historic one related to shouting "fire" in a crowded theater?

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After months of rumors and a good marketing orchestration, Samsung has just unveiled its new flagship device, the Samsung Galaxy S3. Samsung will first launch the HSPA+ device in Europe at the end of May to benefit from the current weaknesses of its competitors — in particular, Nokia. It will release in the US in an LTE version later this summer. The aim is clear: to take the lead from Apple's iPhone in the high-end smartphone segment and do even better than the Galaxy S2, which sold more than 20 million units.
Samsung is positioning a wide range of products in all segments and in multiple consumer electronic categories, leveraging its scale and scope and its vertically integrated approach (screens, processors, storage components, etc.). Despite the growing dependence on the Android OS, Samsung does not have all its eggs in the same OS basket. However, it clearly needs to catch up in the software and services space. That's the reason I continue to believe that, in the premium segment, Apple is still in the best position to offer a seamlessly integrated experience across devices. Samsung's cloud component is still missing, and it will need to continue its efforts to close the gap with Apple.
On the contrary, Apple — still one of Samsung's largest clients (chipsets and screens) — has few models and higher margins and is in a position to leverage a different ecosystem around its OS, apps, and iCloud models. Thanks to the phenomenal success of the iPad, the Apple brand is reinventing itself and expanding into hardware categories that represent new growth drivers from which Samsung is not yet able to benefit.
Beyond the Samsung/Apple high-end leadership war, the great news is that these new smartphones will increasingly enable consumer-facing brands to launch innovative new product experiences. Some of the new services introduced by the Galaxy S III highlight this phenomenon:


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I recently inspected two hives which both absconded about a month ago. One was from a cut out, the other from catching a swarm and both were caught 2-3 months ago. I'm not sure why they left but one colony left after I put the lid on properly (I left it ajar for a while as they were previously in a box with a top entrance and were trying to get in the top). I guess they didn't like the idea of a bottom entrance.Anyway, upon inspection, I found both hives riddled with wax moth. I know wax moth can be a problem but I was amazed at how established they got within this relatively short timeframe. Is this normal? What do other beeks normally do with a hive that the bees have left? I'll make sure I'm much quicker in dealing with empty hives in future.I suspect that the wax moth may have established themselves in both of these weak colonies which could have been a factor in the bees absconding.I have frozen all of the frames to kill everything but this has got me thinking. How prone are bait hives to wax moth infestation?
Thanks for everyone's advice.Is it normal for wax moth to make such a mess within such a short timeframe? I am still surprised at how quickly they established themselves.Neil, I should have at least given them some extra frames of brood but I'm not that concerned in losing the bees. I'm more concerned about the mess the wax moth make so quickly! I am only new to beekeeping and out of the 12 colonies that I have caught / cut out over the last year, I have only lost 3 which I don't think is too bad.A


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Fulton police recover stolen items, make several arrests after string of burglaries
FULTON, Mo. - Several law enforcement agencies in Mid-Missouri have recovered numerous stolen items after a string of burglaries.
The Fulton Police Department says between Aug. 18-24, officers received numerous burglary reports.
After an investigation and several search warrants, officers were able to recover stolen items. Police also were able to seize narcotics and cash as a result of the burglary investigation.
Fulton police say there were arrests made in the burglaries, but names of the suspects have not been released.
Police say the burglaries happened at homes, in yards and at commercial storage units. They believe some owners may not even realize their property is missing. Fulton police are asking anyone who may be missing items to call their local law enforcement agency or the Fulton Police Department.
The Fulton Police Department, Callaway County Sheriff's Department and the MUSTANG Drug Task Force participated in the investigation.


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We compare the specs, prices, screens and the rest of two of the most important Android phones of the year. Don't fancy a read? Watch the video comparison of the Samsung Galaxy S3 and HTC One X.
Finally, the most anticipated Android phone of the year is here - the Samsung Galaxy S3 has arrived. But how does it compare to the current king of Android, the HTC One X? Both have quad-core processors, high-end 4-plus inch 720p screens and slim bodies. But which will we remember as the most important Android phone of 2012? We look into the specs to find out which is destined to be king.
Read our full Samsung Galaxy S3 review, an HTC One X quickie specs comparison
And our full HTC One X review
Samsung Galaxy S3 - £499 SIM-free
HTC One X - £449 SIM-free
The world of contract deals is diverse and - quite often - a little confusing. However, the SIM-free price is much simpler. The HTC One X costs a good £50 less than the Samsung Galaxy S3 at present, suggesting HTC is keen to compete with Samsung's Android crown.
To get either phone on a contract, you'll have to pay at least £35 a month if you want to get the phone for free direct from one of the main phone networks. Thanks to the huge demands for the Samsung Galaxy S3, that figure is likely to be much closer to £40-45. However, phone deals change all the time so keep your eyes peeled over the coming months.
Body and dimensions
Samsung Galaxy S3 - 136.6 x 70.6 x 8.6mm, 133g, plastic
HTC One X - 134 x 70 x 8.9 mm, 130g, plastic
Rules are forming around the making of ultra-large screen mobiles. They tend to be 8-9mm thick, weigh between 125g and 140g and are made of plastic rather than metal, in order to keep the weight down. The Samsung Galaxy S3 has - perhaps disappointingly - subscribed to this formula. It comes in glossy white and faux brushed metal, although the surface is one hundred per cent plastic. Like the Samsung Galaxy S2, its battery cover is a very thin sheet of plastic. It's hard-wearing enough if you treat it fairly well, but doesn't really have that high-end, ultra-premium feel.
The HTC One X uses a plastic body too, but gets a slightly more impressive sense of solidity. This is because it doesn't give you access to the battery. It's all sealed up. Practicality-wise, it's not so great, but form-wise its a definite plus. For those long-haul trips, though, the Samsung Galaxy S3 lets you take a few spare batteries with you.
Samsung Galaxy S3 - 4.7in Super AMOLED, 720p resolution
HTC One X - 4.7in Super IPS, 720p resolution
Just as we found in our comparison of the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy Nexus, comparing these screens comes down to a question of display type rather than tech specs. Both screens are 4.7in across, and both use a 720p display.
The big difference is that while the HTC One X uses and Super IPS display, the Samsung Galaxy S3 uses a Super AMOLED panel. IPS screens use backlights, where the AMOLED type has light-emitting pixels.
AMOLED looks better in dark conditions, where a traditional backlight becomes visible in areas of black, but we found that the HTC One X offers more accurate colour reproduction and whiter whites than the Super AMOLEDs we've seen. The HTC One X screen is also perilously close to the surface, making its image all the more vital-looking. They're close rivals, but we'd pick the One X at a pinch.
Samsung Galaxy S3 - Quad-core 1.5GHz, Exynos chip
HTC One X - Quad-core Tegra 3
Both the Samsung Galaxy S3 and the HTC One X have quad-core processors - which are already becoming the norm for top-end phones. The HTC One X uses the follow-up to the Tegra 2, which was used by many Android devices in 2011.
It's powerful, sure, but not quite as powerful as you might expect. The dual-core TI OMAP Samsung Galaxy Nexus processor beats it in some benchmarks, for example. The Samsung Galaxy S3 uses an Exynos 4412 quad-core 1.5GHz processor, which soundly beats the Tegra 3 across the board, just as the Samsung Galaxy S2 wiped out most of its processor competitors last year.
However, exactly what this power will mean in real terms is yet to be seen. Benchmarks are fine, but staring at charts and graphs sure gets dull pretty quick. The good news in practical terms is that quad-core processor like this let the phones handle high bit-rate 1080p video - and the Samsung is the clear winner here, with more advanced video codec support.
Samsung Galaxy S3 - 16/32/64GBGB, 1GB, microSD slot
HTC One X - 16/32GB, 1GB RAM
Huzzah - our fears have not been realised. The Samsung Galaxy S3 is staying in bed with the Android geek brigade and has packed in a microSD slot, making it super-simple and super-cheap to boost the internal memory. HTC left out this feature in the HTC One X.
The Samsung Galaxy S3 also offers a wide range of internal memory options - 16GB, 32GB 64GB. Of course, unless there's only a paltry price difference between them, you're much better off opting for the 16GB model and investing in a 32GB microSD card or two - one for music, one for movies perhaps.
This is a field in which the Samsung is the clear winner. There's a 64GB model, and with expandable storage, the 16/32GB HTC One X can't compete.


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Basically put, subframes are just chunks of a full frame. In the case of our novas, there is a subframe on the front. When you pop the hood and take a look in the engine bay, you will notice that it looks just like a full framed car with 2 frame rails. However, if you look under the car, you will see that the frame rails are bolted directly to the floor pan of the vehicle. This was so GM could make cheaper econo cars and lighter, but was found out to be pretty good performance handling too, and thus the X-body economy (Nova)and then the F-body performance (Camaro, Firebird) cars were born (they share front subframes in the same years).
They are pretty good setups, and you can remove the subframe from the front of the car, however, this is not really recommended unless you know what you are doing, and then only if the bushings need replaced. It's pretty easy to not get it on plumb, then you will have a "sidewinder" car.
If you are going to put any kind of performance engine into that car, subframe connectors are a must. They connect the front and rear subframes together to make the car stiff like a full framed car. Otherwise you may wind up with a twisted floor pan the first time you step on the gas!
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I've purchased a 1979 Chevy Nova 2-door and have started to dimantle the front end. I was thinking of doing a frame off resto, but a friend of mine told me that that car does not have the traditional frame it has a "subframe". This is my first time trying to work on a car in a really detailed way and I am realitively new to the world of cars period. Everything that I am learning is straight out of books and from the kind people on this website. The question is this: If this vehicle has a "subframe" what should be the next step that I take? I wanted to take the body off so that I could check for any cracks in the frame, to replace worn bushings, and to have it prepped for paint and rust protection.
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You can attract a lot more bees with honey than with vinegar!
Bnesom, you are entitled to your opinion, however general concensus would suggest that hardhatz's comments were indeed inflammatory. Rearead post # 10 and #12.
However, I have found that discussing issues on a forum are a little different than doing it face to face, or even over the phone.
Lot's of room for misinterpretation.
Still, hardhatz has posted on this site at least 69 times and unless this is his first time on the trans forum he must have some idea of the wealth of knowledge that Crosley possesses. And freely shares with people that post on this forum.
But because no one could present hardhatz with a magic wand to fix his problem he got a little tweaked.
Hopefully enough information passed across this thread so that hardhatz can get his problem squared away.
By the way, my transmission work's just fine.
Guess I should have posted that most Q-jet carbs linkage does not have the correct geometry for a 200-4r trans TV cable.
I will disagree , where hardhatz is posting comments towards the general members here that may be taken negatively .
It is easy to read negative thoughts into a post as his post below:
he has received several helpful answers. I hope he can fix his car as needed.
It has been my past 3+ decades of auto experience that often junk yard trannys and engines do not always perform as expected. Late model - low mileage take outs are different from finding an old 200-4r trans in the junk yard.
Last item; bnesom it would helpful if you did not post in one looong continuous paragraph. That can make for difficult reading on the boards.
I had the same problems with mine. It came in my caprice. I since had removed the 305 and put in a mild 350 and went from 2.73 gear to 3.90
I installed a bowtie overdrives TV ratio correction kit for the carb I had and also installed a shift kit. It shifted firmer but still early. I swapped in a bowtie overdrives 5500rpm shift governor and that solved the problem. Then I installed the 500 boost valve and it seemed to grab a **** ton better. It will shift normal under normal driving conditions and shift at approx 5300-5500rpm at WOT. Made the car a lot faster and more enjoyable. You can do all the mods yourself. I did it and I never worked on a transmission before. I also ditched the stock converter and had a custom built one and it made all the difference.
I reread this thread and can't find the part where you were disrespectful to anyone so don't worry about it. I also can't find where "you are surprised" that your junkyard tranny isn't performing like you want it to. All I read is you asking for some suggestions to solve a problem and answering about what you had done. I did see where someone told you q-jets are not used with this tranny and this is not true. I'm using tv cable bracket off a later model qjet on my mid 70's qjet. Too bad post counts don't always equal IQ surely don't give anybody the right to dog another. On all but Buick GN's and Monte Carlo SS's and maybe another car or two, this tranny was calibrated for low torque engines and gave a soft and slow shift at low rpms. You can recalibrate it with a shift kit, a govenor change and a servo change. Just doing this will fix the shifts assuming it is otherwise healthy but it still won't live too long if you are hard on it without making some hard parts upgrades. One thing you can try before doing all this is set the TV cable per repair manual instructions, then with the engine off, fully depress and quickly release the throttle. Do this about ten times quickly and then retest. Repeat this a few times and you may get lucky. Idea is there may be some trash hanging up the valve. Also follow this link and spend some time in this forum http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/transmission-talk/ and then ask some questions and these guys will give you some help.
Good Luck,
I'm insolent and have life-long morality failings because I grasp TV cable function?...
I guess I thought I could find good guys who want to help each other benefit from their experiences. Sorry, my mistake. I wouldn't have treated any of you like that.
I will reiterate, you will have to correct your tv geometry.
That would be, first things first.
Now, don't apologize for being on a tight budget, these are tight times.
You instead may want to apologize for being insolent, to people that are trying to help you and for not being sapient enough to realize it.
However, this is an issue of morality and while we may only have to deal with it now, you will have to deal with it the rest of your life.
Now, as for your transmission concern. Your dealing with a trans you know little about, relative to it's history, so that does create some problems.
Do you have access to, or own a pressure gauge?
Short of removing parts, like the valve body and governor, from this transmission, the results from a pressure reading may be the best way to determine what's going on with this unit.
Then, you may still have to remove parts, comes with the territory, when you have to buy a junk yard transmission.
M rear end is a 3.08.
My engine is a basic 350, and I don't race it.
The trans came from a Caprice with a V8 & Q-Jet. I do not know the size.
The Q-Jet base I am using came from this car, as did the TV cable. Whether this provides adequate travel for my application, I do not know, but it seems within normal bounds.
Sorry if I offended any experts by buying from a wrecking yard.. I'm on a tight budget.
I'd be happy if it went to 4200, Its doing about half that. If the TV cable is set "properly", it will shift even sooner... 1,2,3 very quickly, (on the converter) with a neutral between 1st & 2nd.
Downshifting from 3rd to 2nd by shift lever results in a 4 second delay, regardless of TV setting.
Downshifting into 2nd via throttle is not practical, as it results in a very large neutral, and probably will be burning things.
As currently set up, I have driven the car about 3000 miles. Most of it freeway, about half of it towing. Other than the considerable inconvenience of having to manually select gears when using more than a light throttle, too-soft shifts, and not having full throttle travel, there has been no problem.
You won't get far insulting the guru of gurus. Crosley is an expert.
You have chosen a junkyard tranny. That should be your first clue. Secondly, 90% of the 200-4r trannys out there are designed and calibrated to operate in vehicles that redline at 4200 with rear ratios in the 2.73:1 range. Simply droping one of these into a performance vehicle is equivalent to taking an F1 race engine and putting it in a pickup truck, then expecting it to be competent at towing 10,000 lbs.
200-4rs are known for their early shifts. They were installed behind Olds 307 engines that struggled to make 140 hp and redlined at 4200. Simply installing one behind a performance engine and expecting it to work in its stock configuration is pretty riduculous.
What you're experiencing are not "symptoms" they are merely the transmission operating properly. You've just made a piss-poor decision, so don't take it out on us.
OK... I guess what I'm looking for is someone more gifted in the workings of a 200R4's than in telling me how dumb I am..
Is there anybody out there willing to discuss actual mechanical problems with 200R4s that have a history of causing these symptoms?
You demonstrated that you have a Q-jet carb... The Q-jet linkage geometry is not correct for the TV cable.
You installed a trans from a junk yard and are surprised it does not operate properly? With no history of the trans , it may be stock or a DIY worked on it that may caused the erratic shifting.
What is your rear end gear ratio? IF it is a 3.73 or 4.10 gear , it may be spinning the governor too quickly , causing the early shifts if the trans came out of a car with 2.73 gear.
I actually have a pretty good grasp on how to set up a TV cable, that's not my problem. I have done quite a few swaps that entail TV cables.
I only mentioned the TV to demonstrate that I have tried all that, and tried to use different settings to uncover the issue.
The geometry on the TV cable is the most important issue with this transmission for proper shifting as well as the longevity of the unit. The cable has a required length of travel from idle to full throttle. The linkage on your carburetor which controls the TV cable must have the stroke to accomplish this. Bowtie Overdrive has a link on their website that describes what this stroke-length should be and how to properly set up the TV cable. The only other possible cause I can think of would be the governor, but I think that's only a remote possibility. When you Pick-a-Part you take your chances, IMO
I used a Q-jet base with the lug that matches the cable end, but I'm not sure about the travel. However, in order to work properly in normal driving, it needs to be quite tight. Setting it looser makes the problem worse. Presently, the TV is at the end of its travel just as the secondaries start to open.
Also, the problem is much more noticeable into 2nd gear. The other gears apply fairly well.
Because this unit is a "used trans", some interesting intangibles come into play.
Questions like, how did it work before you installed it into your vehicle, what was the fluid condition, are there any valves in the valve body, such as mtv up or tv valve itself sticking, which will create this problem.
Most early upshifts, in a known good working transmission, will be because of incorrect tv cable adjustment.
When adjusting the cable makes no difference in the upshift pattern one starts to consider if one may have a control issue with the unit, such as sticking valves.
Your tv cable geometry is more than likely a concern, as well, which can also add to your problem, if in fact not be the cause of the problem.
There is a link on this site that explains not only the importance of this geometry, but how to correct it as well.
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There must be a few wise ones out there who know what's wrong....
Is it a good idea to try a shift kit?
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Unfortunately, we did not get the results we were hoping for as Air Force swept the weekend in two very close games. This was an important weekend because of how close the standings are in our conference and we really let some much needed points slip away.
We now have four games remaining on our schedule; two against Robert Morris and two against RIT. The unfortunate results of last weekend have provided a significant amount of motivation for everyone on the team to put in our best effort in all of these remaining games as they could make a very big difference in where we finish at the end of the regular season.
Everyone on our team believes we are good enough to earn a spot to our conference final four tournament and with the regular season winding down, we know how important it is to be at the top of our game heading into playoffs and I have no doubt this will reflect in our play.
As a senior, my time remaining as a member of the hockey team is coming to an abrupt end and there would be no greater ending than to put in a valiant effort to win our conference. The last time we made it to the final weekend of the conference tournament was in my freshman year, where we were beaten by a very tough RIT squad that made it all the way to the Frozen Four.
This has allowed me, as well as the other seniors, to get a first-hand glance at what it takes to win our conference and we all know it will not be an easy task. Our conference has had at times this season three teams ranked in the top 20 in the nation, which is a great indication of how competitive our league has become.
One of our goals all year has been to host a playoff series this year and in order to accomplish this we must have a great final two weekends and with two of the four remaining games at home, this definitely works to our advantage. As I already noted, our conference standings are extremely tight and these last two weekends will be very exciting for our team as we try and finish as high as possible. As always we appreciate your support and hope to see you in the stands as we finish out the regular season.
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- 1 package (1/4 ounce) active dry yeast
- 1/4 cup warm water (110° to 115°)
- 1 cup warm milk (110° to 115°)
- 1/2 cup sugar
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- Line two baking sheets with foil and grease well; set aside. Punch dough down. Turn onto a lightly floured surface; divide in half. Roll each portion into a 14-in. x 7-in. rectangle. Spread cherries over dough to within 1/2 in. of edges. Combine the flour, brown sugar and pecans; sprinkle over cherries.
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Went up to hunt the canadian border this weekend to do a little ok a lot of yotie hunting.
Ended up shooting 3 the first day. But was in a an area that was full of spooky coyotes. Saw maybe 6 yoties in 10 stands but every one of them circled downwind from 600-800 yards. Got the 3 after moving to a different area just before dark in 3 stands. The second day I shot 7 with 3 misses and 5 stands that I set up wrong on and didnt get shots. Made 17 stands the 2nd day and only had 2 blanks. Was only sitting 10-15 min due to the temps. With the wind chill it was in the -15 range. Soo many coyotes though. Frigging awsome up there.
Dont let anyone tell ya a .17 remington is only good out to 200 yards. This guy came in but only so far. Then decided to sit facing me and bark for 15 min. While I tried just about every call I had to squeez him in a little closer. I finally had enough and ranged him at 362 yards. Had to think about the shot for a min but decided to take it. Held just under his chin and a little to the right and squeezed one off. He just rolled over dead. Not my longest shot with the .17 but longest on a frontal. Hes a BIG male just over 39lbs... At least I thought he was a bigun till I weighed the last male I shot right at dark on day 2 that went 47lbs. Lugging him back I woulda swore he was 60. LOL
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In the chart it said that Varroa mites did not like the smell of Lavender or Coriander and could help the bees in ridding themselves of the mites.
Just a follow-up ... I asked a thyme-honey beekeeper about mites vs thyme (because the essential oil of thyme is used in some commercial mite control products). He said that his bees were generally quite healthy after foraging on thyme plants, but that he still had to treat for mites. The reason he gave was because the beneficial essential oil was in the thyme leaves rather than in the nectar.
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Travelling home from Tuesday night's match I couldn't help but think about years gone by. It only increased the width of the very broad smile that was already splashed across my face!
The mid-to-late Seventies and early Eighties was a fairly barren period for us Gooners. For me personally the beginning of the incredible success we have enjoyed for the last 25 years coincided with adulthood! The year 1987 saw us win the League Cup and I remember all the emotion that went with it as if it was yesterday.
While deep in thought on the Piccadilly Line it also dawned on me that despite visiting Cardiff more times than any other club it is a full 13 years since we last got to attend a Wembley cup final. 1993 saw us visit the grand old stadium an unprecedented five times including FA Cup semis, finals, replays and the Charity Shield. Our first visit that year, however, was once again in the League Cup, Merse and Stephen Morrow scoring to bring home the silverware.
In a Semi-Final with the bookies almost offering any odds against us going through, for long periods of this year's two-legged affair it was far from a foregone conclusion.
I am not going to mention over-used media terms for our opponents such as 'brave' and 'plucky' as for me these couldn't be more patronising or condescending. On a personal level, the fact I was suffering with a considerable degree of PMT throughout the day is enough evidence that we needed to show the Tractor Boys the utmost respect.
Strangely, come half-time I wasn't worried. I felt we looked relatively sharp and focused and if we created a similar number of chances to the first period we would be OK.
A combination of many things to do with Ipswich, our own play and of course Lady Luck meant we went into the last half hour with it all still to do. With the tension in the air becoming noticeable it took a top quality goal to get us on our way.
Jack's pass was spot on, Nicky's control, turn inside and finish were something the media would have been crowing about for weeks had it been a more 'fashionable' player.
The roof came off with a noise that was tinged with relief as much as celebration. Of course I was very much one of those enjoying the jostle that ensued but I always felt if we kept our shape and kept knocking on that door, eventually it would come open.
As is often the case, Laurent's thumping header followed a few moments later and we had one foot in the Final.
For the first time in the tie Ipswich looked a beaten side and Cesc's third meant the celebrations could begin in earnest.
"Que sera sera..." echoed into the night sky as we all enjoyed that warm fuzzy feeling only football can give you.
Going back to my earlier comments, I also recalled the scenes in Avenell Road after we had beaten Everton in the 1988 semi when the players were hanging out of the East Stand dressing room windows while we celebrated below. This time around the surrounding streets were a little bit more subdued but deep down every Gooner was feeling thoroughly chuffed I can assure you.
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Good job removing the countertop! It looks like it goies under the hatch? If so, I would not cover it with tile which would be slippery when wet. Here's an idea; not sure if practical but worth checking out: go to Home Depot and look at a floor product called Allure. It is vinyl resilient flooring which is made to resemble everything from wood to flagstone. If you can figure out how to handle the edges it might be a cost effective and attractive solution.
Good luck!
An update-if anyones interested...
Finished the countertop installation. A brand new piece of acx plywood was used, laminated with remnant formica by an associate who owns a home supply store for free. There is no hole for the stove, which I am replacing with a propane camp stove. There is no hole for the ice chest either, so there is more room for food prep. The box in the left corner is made of scrap wood I had in the basement. It comes out to give access to the sinks through hull, and some previously inaccessible cabinet space as well. The corner piece that is missing is where the ac shore power outlet will go when I install it next week. This project is finally starting to really come together.
Well this weekend I got some significant steps done. The cockpit locker was where the battery was initially installed. However, I always had to worry about putting stuff on top of the battery and messing with the cables. Furthermore, I am going to install a house battery in the Spring, and it would take even more storage space from the locker. Underneath the cockpit floor, however, is a ton of unused space. So I used a door cut in the locker to install a plywood base for the batteries that would hold them underneath the cockpit floor. The batteries can slide out when needed for maintenance, but otherwise will be strapped down with a luggage strap. The plywood piece that holds the batteries is held in place by aluminum L-brackets, has small wooden rails fore and aft so the batteries can't fall off, two u-bolts for the strap and a thin rubber floor to hold them tight (to prevent chafe). I tested the strap concept in my basement, and it held the battery very well.
While I was at it, the rest of the unused space was used for water storage. I put down a plywood floor, also held on with L-brackets. There are two square areas fitted to the blue water tanks I have, also with rubber floors, which will hold the tanks tight. I also have u-bolts for the straps to hold the water containers tight. I originally was going to install a proper water tank, but decided that it is probably unnecessary and a little costly to boot, considering that I can just store extra water in $10 walmart water containers and refill the existing water tank as needed. Not as convenient, but still functional and... cheap...
I also cut a hole out for a mini-fridge that a friend gave me for free (she was moving and didn't need it anymore it is nearly new). I put a floor at the bottom of the hole, and will use some fiberglass wood-colored moldings ($5 a piece at HD) to make the hole look nice. The fridge can slide out for overnights and an Igloo cooler strapped in its place. The fridge must be removed for access to the blue water tanks, but I will only be using them when ovenighting/cruising anyway and the fridge won't be installed at those times so I should have easy access by just removing the cooler.
Finally I installed some deck plates in the areas of the boat that I had no access to previously. This picture shows the cockpit locker which previously held the batteries, but now has a door into which the batteries are slid in and out of the floor I made for them.
Now I just need to finish the countertop with formica and I will be done with this part of my boat project.
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I completely agree that all should confirm what they are told on these forums, and I'm glad you did. Some only want their ideas supported and argue.
Good luck with the project. Sometimes, scrap corian pieces can be bought inexpensively from the home centers that are big enough for boat work. Probably more costly than laminate, but just a thought.
In this case, it costed me literally nothing to get the free samples and test them, and it confirmed what you had said. To be honest, if not for your post I may not have even thought to test the scratch-resistance of the material. So, thanks!
Plus, hopefully if someone else has the thoughts I had, and does a forum search, they will see that others have tested the idea without great success.
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|Corian - next you will be suggesting granite!
I completely agree that all should confirm what they are told on these forums, and I'm glad you did. Some only want their ideas supported and argue.
Good luck with the project. Sometimes, scrap corian pieces can be bought inexpensively from the home centers that are big enough for boat work. Probably more costly than laminate, but just a thought.
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I sail an Islander 32--the shallow draft model. She draws 4 feet even. I'm in FL right now, but my old stomping grounds were NC. I racked up alot of miles up and down the coast (not in the ditch, either), and I can say that having 4 feet of draft is an exceptional advantage. Being able to duck in the inlets up there (please don't try it without local knowledge up there) is real nice. Also, if you ever get the whim to sail to Bermuda, you can believe that having 4 feet of draft is a good thing if you hit the island at night (reduced pucker factor--some of you have been there--you know what I mean). On the sea, when the waves get steep she doesn't tend to trip on her keel, so I don't get those nice, half-sideways landings at the bottom.
In a bigger boat, say 37-40, there will be some concessions you'll have to make for a shallow draft boat. Most deep draft boats point better. Most deep draft vessels get better VMG.
I'll be honest here--lot's of people on the dock think I'm crazy. I singlehand, and I'm not afraid to sail in all but perfect weather because I know how to sail my boat. Most people on the dock never get out past the inlet, either, so you have to take some of the dock-talk with a grain of salt.
I also read in one of the posts that you have to spend alot of money to get a seaworthy boat. I think that's a misnomer. An Allied Princess can be had for under 35K--about 45K in sailaway condition, and I'd sail one of those anywhere.
Sorry about the long post. Good luck with whatever boat you buy. Not sure if I missed it, but what are your prospects sofar?
Originally Posted by Giulietta View Post
I want to fly around the world in a plane, should it be red or white?
I once flew a red & white one across the atlantic AND I fly a white one with red, silver & black stripes right now..
Sorry I couldn't resist...
Originally Posted by USCGRET1990 View Post
Let us post the "Richard Cranium" award for another thin skinned sailor.
If you can't hack sailnet, best not sail into unfriendly waters whilst circumnavagating....
He later apologized.
First post here on SailNet, but I've been lurking for a while.
I sailed dinghies and windsurfers as a kid, but have recently started cruising and racing (albeit poorly) larger boats as crew.
The boat I have sailed the most is my father-in-law's, a Pearson-Invicta. She has a combination shoal keel and swing keel. With the keel up her draft is just a hair under 5' and down it is around 8'. I am not sure if there are many modern boats with this kind of design, but may help split the difference a bit between safety and being able to gunkhole.
Another idea is to carry a sailing dinghy and use that to get up the really shallow areas. This can be loads of fun.
I sincerely hope you can make your dream happen of long term cruising, whether it is just continental or circumnav. Good luck! And don't forget to write so that all us beginners can learn from your mistakes!!
I say 4 foot because sailing the gulf coast of the US over 4 foot resticts most of our favorite places to anchor. Having only once had the pleasure of the Bahamas I found a few places we could not enter because dads' Hunter drew to much. So that is where the 4 foot idea comes from.
When we (wife and I) think about sailing we look at ocean crossing as a needed evil to get to the cool places. We want to be able to duck in to places others can't.
My personal experience with center board,dagger board, swing keel is all in protected waters and I do not find sufficient writings on there use as true bluewater boats. (I am Sure you guys can give the names of some books I just hadn't really found enough info.)
I am comfortable in close quarters in a 33 footer. A decent amount of experience. Much larger than that and well you know married coouple in their late 40's, slow reflexes and all.
Thoughts on multi hull vessels. Well sailing flat to me is a very uneasy feeling. Tried it a couple of times with friends and it just isn't me.
To anyone jumping in late to this thread, please disregard my earlier ramblings. Obviously I forgot to take my Midol this Am.
Cruisingdream: Thanks for the link to a great article.
Gone Sailing: Does your original question on Draft have to do with references to the advisability of a shallow draft when sailing the Caribean?
To All: I'll have to admit, I'm a 'leap before I look' or 'ready-fire-aim' kind of guy. I've been that way all my life. I suspect that if I had sat back and coldly examined the risk of an undertaking when compared to my relative inexperience or lack of preparation, I would have missed all of the BEST experiences in my life. I wouldn't have married my Bride of 32 years when I was 19, I wouldn't have had children, I wouldn't have joined the Army as a PFC when I was 27 and I wouldn't have bought a sailboat (my first boat whatsoever) when I was 47. Will I be ready to cast off when I retire? Probably not, but I suspect I will anyway. God willing, I won't be another one of your statistics but here's to the dreamers like Gonesailing40! Keep giving him (and me) your doses of reality. We really do need it from time to time.
To go to the original questions. I wonder really how many places are restricted to a 4' draft. The French canals can take around 5'- 5'2". I understand the ICW is about the same, and in the Caribbean 6' draft will limit some of the places, but mostly you can anchor out a bit. Besides there is a wide choice of places to go. However, those are not my waters.
From a safety point of view, I don't know that strictly it makes too much difference but most offshore boats are 5' 6" to 6'. The greater depth gives a greater righting moment so less ballast is required lessening sail area for a given SA/Displ. That makes it easier to handle to a degree. Conversely the SA could be increased making it faster in the light.
The deeper draft could go to windward better which could be useful and a safety point but most cruising is downwind and longkeeled boats can go to windward if not as well.
The shallower draft models, say where it is an option, would tend to have more ballast to compensate for it being higher, and thus tend to be a bit slower, again SA/Displ.
Full keels are shallower slower in the light and make more leeway. Arguably they have a more comfortable motion, although there is some dissension on this. Probably a compromise of a cutaway forefoot is the middle ground.
Extra speed might have some benefit in less potential exposure to storms, but for a given size assuming trade winds the difference is probably under 5% which is 21 days not 20 on a very long passage. You could well more than make that up by reasonable sails and say a folding prop, and good trim.
Although there are areas of lighter airs this may be more of an issue in coastal sailing and downwind you have the option of a cruising spinnaker.
Offshore comfort and the ability to hold a course makes selfsteering easier and thus less tiring, which tends to favour the cutaway or full style.
I don't know the detail of centreboard styles but some qualify as ocean going. They would save leeway, be slightly faster through less drag, but because of less weight down deep have the disadvantages of shallower drafted boats in other respects. You could anchor closer but it is another thing to jam or go wrong.
One thing like draft cannnot be taken in isolation, because for a given righting moment displacement sail area, speed leeway and drag come into it. I think if you look at a designer like Perry or other successful designs you will find he uses mainly 5' 6" - 6' maybe down to 5'. This seems to represent the best compromise. Four foot is out of the ballpark, unless you go into cats or sail in a restricted area.
As someone pointed out most Americans can and do end up doing that.
Originally Posted by gonesailin40 View Post
I was out of line. Sorry bout that.Sure you all meant well. Sorry I asked such a generic and simple question. I was trying not to preload any thought into your heads and was attempting to be vague on purpose.
Many of you guys come off as a bit pompous and condescending.
And the notion that such an expensive vessel is required to safely navigate through the waters of this world (at least that is the way it sounds on this board) is just nonsense.
Most of the reading material on my shelf suggest otherwise.
Anyway sorry I ruffled your feathers.
Originally Posted by labatt View Post
Out of curiosity (and I'm sure I'll get flamed here, but it's turning cold here in the Northeast so I can use some heat )... I posted almost the exact same question last week (and it was even linked to here) and none of you jumped on me the same way you jumped on gonesailin...? Everyone answered my questions thoughtfully and gave me an honest opinion. With gonesailin people seem to be questioning his goal instead of answering his question... IM (very)HO, I actually could interpret some of the comments as inflammatory and not representative of how caring this group actually is. OK... come run me off my soapbox now!!!! I'm ready!
I am not sure which way I came across like 'that', honestly. It was not my intention. I traditionally word my phrases carefully. SHort of photoshopping a few people here, I go out of my way not to ruffle feathers - even whien I probably have the right to do so.
I ASSUMED, incorrectly I guess, that he had little/no sailing experience and wanted to sail around the world in a shallow draft boat. I could not count the number of times I have had people that have never set foot on a boat come to me about buying a Valiant to circle the globe a couple of times. Now, is their dream stupid. No. Hell no. That is what it is all about. But MANY people dream of doing it and end up getting the wrong boat - only to find out they would have been happier with a Catalina (for example) cruising North America or South America or the inbetween in comfort. THey end up frustrated and broke.
I personally would rather keep them around and invite them over for a sunset drink of my tub.
I cannot speak for everyone, but only for me. I hope that answers your question.
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Talk about payback. Buffalo's win in Game 3 was only its fourth in the igloo-shaped arena perched on a hill in downtown Pittsburgh since Sabre defenseman Uwe Krupp's overtime goal there in March 1990 knocked the Penguins out of the playoff race. Buffalo's record in the Mellon Arena since is now 4-17-5.
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does anyone else here like hormel chili
does anyone else here like hormel chili
Love it
If you like chili, but have ulcers I found a way you can eat it without getting heartburn.
-brown 1 lb hb meat in a pan (leaner the better) and lightly sprinkle in some cajun seasoning.
-in a large pot (or crock pot) add:
1 can kidney beans
1 can pinto beans
1 can fire roasted diced tomatoes
1 can tomato paste (when empty, fill with water and add to mix)
4-6 drops green tobasco
1/4 tsp basil or oregano
cajun seasoning to taste (i use about 2 tbsp)
When HB meat is browned completely, add to contents in pot and allow to simmer for 5-10 minutes before serving. Makes 4-6 bowls, and wont hurt your bowels. This recipe has placed in every chii cookoff I have entered it in since 2005. I came across the recipe by accident trying to find something for my wife to eat that wouldn't hurt her stomach and I added cajun seasoning instead of chili powder, thought it was ruined until we tried it & now the rest is history.
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now i want Chili!!! arrrggh! LOL!
That recipe sounds gooood!
Oh my gosh! saint nasty responed to my thread!!! To me he's like a legend!!! Thank you
really? i guess that's how i used to feel when the sniffer would respond to my threads.
You do know that The Sniffer is much like Beetlejuice.
it's a bit harder for the sniffer to do that with a deactivated account.
*** someone had to say the Sniffer....here we go again deactivated or not we'll see where this goes. LOL
I'm with Woodman. We have to tread carefully or else strange occurrences may begin to happen.
Why did the board censor O-M-G?
regarding the chili... i try very, very hard not to ever eat any canned/processed/packaged type foods. we generally make everything from scratch (right down to homemade bread). what we can't make ourselves due to time we get organic/local farm made.


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'What Sabres fans may be most excited for is: in a game against Hamilton, prospect Marcus Foligno was hip checked hard into the boards. Foligno stood up to fight, but Finley already had the gloves dropped, his helmet off and the crowd on their feet. If Sabres fans want someone to step up and be physical, Finley's your guy. He leads the AHL in penalty minutes.'
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Despite What Right-Wing Blogs Say, Obama Doesn't Think He's Above The Constitution
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Right-wing blogs took President Obama's comments about gun violence prevention out of context to claim that he complained about being constrained by the Constitution. The full text of his comments, however, shows that he was praising the genius of the document rather than lamenting that the Second Amendment prevents him from confiscating guns.
On April 3, President Obama gave a speech in Colorado to raise support for strengthening gun laws following the passage of new gun violence prevention measures in the state. During his speech, Obama attempted to put gun owners' possible concerns over these measures to rest:
One last thing I'm going to mention is that during this conversation -- I hope you don't mind me quoting you, Joe. Joe Garcia, I thought, also made an important point, and that is that the opponents of some of these common-sense laws have ginned up fears among responsible gun owners that have nothing to do with what's being proposed and nothing to do with the facts, but feeds into this suspicion about government.
You hear some of these quotes: "I need a gun to protect myself from the government." "We can't do background checks because the government is going to come take my guns away."
Well, the government is us. These officials are elected by you. (Applause.) They are elected by you. I am elected by you. I am constrained, as they are constrained, by a system that our Founders put in place. It's a government of and by and for the people.
And so, surely, we can have a debate that's not based on the notion somehow that your elected representatives are trying to do something to you other than potentially prevent another group of families from grieving the way the families of Aurora or Newtown or Columbine have grieved. We've got to get past some of the rhetoric that gets perpetuated that breaks down trust and is so over the top that it just shuts down all discussion. And it's important for all of us when we hear that kind of talk to say, hold on a second. If there are any folks who are out there right now who are gun owners, and you've been hearing that somehow somebody is taking away your guns, get the facts. We're not proposing a gun registration system, we're proposing background checks for criminals. (Applause.)
Don't just listen to what some advocates or folks who have an interest in this thing are saying. Look at the actual legislation. That's what happened here in Colorado. And hopefully, if we know the facts and we're listening to each other, then we can actually move forward.
The next day, Fox Nation claimed that Obama "complain[ed] he's 'constrained' by the Constitution" in his speech, linking to an article from The Blaze that also failed to provide the full text of his comments:
Breitbart.com's Ben Shapiro similarly wrote on April 3 that "[t]he natural inference [of Obama's remarks] seems to be that if it were not for the Constitution, Obama would indeed pursue a federal gun seizure. Like the villain at the end of every Scooby Doo cartoon, Obama's offhand protest suggests that if it weren't for those darn kids, he would have gotten away with it. Except that the kids are the founders, and 'it' is massive gun control."
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Adam Serwer: Oscar Grant, A Victim Of American Fear.
Times change, but the radioactive fear of black people, black men in particular, has proved to have a longer half-life than any science could have discerned. This is not a fear white people possess of black people -- it is a fear all Americans possess. It makes white cops kill black cops, it makes black cops kill black men, and it whispers in the ears of white and nonwhite jurors alike that fear of an unarmed black man lying face down in the ground is not "unreasonable." All of which is to say, while it infects all of us, a few of us bear the brunt of the suffering it causes.
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And because of this, it affects how comfortable I am playing with other people in these games. It affects what features of the games I use, where I go both within and outside of them, how I communicate with other players. It makes the very activity that I use to retreat and distract myself from the harshness of reality and society around me just as harmful as the social interaction I'm trying to withdraw from, should the situation arise while I'm around.Amanda Hess - How DC Hospitals Fail Trans Patients
Which means going to the hospital—rarely a particularly pleasant experience—often produces an overlay of uncertainty and anxiety for transgender patients. Without a firm policy in place, the care transgender patients receive often comes down to chance; a caregiver who's familiar with transgender issues may treat patients perfectly fine, but if they encounter the wrong employee, problems can ensue. Even, sometimes, within the same hospital.Ms. Hess has just been absolutely on fire recently, by the way.
s.e. smith: Dear Imprudence: My Boss Sexually Harassed Me, Should I Cover It Up?
Prudie's advice is bad on a lot of levels. First of all, telling someone to 'forget about' harassment is just a terrible thing to do. It's not enough that he 'feels he behaved terribly.' If this intern is comfortable reporting and wants to go through with the process of filing a claim, she should consider doing so. Because she is obviously upset about what happened, she obviously feels violated, and she is obviously feeling uncertain about what to do, but knows what she wants to do something.Rachel: Have you noticed
...that pretty much all of the news stories out there right now on the Oscar Grant verdict focus on the rioting and looting?Cara Kulwicki: Using abortion as a form of birth control
The above phrase, a common one from anti-choicers, grates on me more than perhaps any other in the English language. It's not for the ideological reasons you may initially assume — there are ideologies that annoy me far greater than the idea that "using abortion as a form of birth control" is a bad thing to do — but a linguistic one.Greta Christina: How Sexism Hurts Men: Undateable
There are some fascinating exhortations about class in this book as well — exhortations that make the link between class and masculinity vividly clear. In order to be dateable, men have to not give off signifiers that they're blue-collar or working class. No jacked-up cars; no clothing with skulls or tattoo art; no going to shooting ranges. But at the same time, they can't be too intellectual or urbane. And no nerdiness at all: no Star Trek conventions; no Dungeons & Dragons or World of Warcraft; no Renaissance Faires. (In other words — nix to practically my entire circle of friends. Most of whom, I might point out, are in relationships. With other Trekkies/ D&D freaks/ Renfaire nerds.) Apparently, ideal manhood — no, strike that, even just barely acceptable manhood — means being comfortably middle-class . . . and staying firmly within that class. No mobility for you, pal. Upward or downward.
Tasha Fierce: CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS – Occupied Bodies: Women of Color Speak on Self-Image – Deadline October 15, 2010
I am soliciting essays for an anthology on women of color's self-image/body image as shaped by family, friends, media, society, history, lived experiences, etc. I'm looking for smart, accessible, and snappy personal narratives that also offer nuanced analysis of the underlying constructs that affect how we perceive ourselves. Exploring intersectionality of identities is extremely important. I particularly want the voices of women of color that are not often heard to be represented, such as trans* WOC, disabled WOC, queer WOC, WOC outside the U.S., WOC with eating disorders, working class/poor WOC and fat WOC. Of course, all the varied perspectives any woman of color can offer are welcome.Claudia Kalb: Is sitting while autistic a crime?
Three days later, and several hundred miles to the north, the Stafford County Sheriff's Office in Virginia had its own disturbing clash with autism. After receiving a call about a "suspicious male, possibly in possession of a gun," sitting on the grass outside an elementary-school library, officers confronted Reginald Latson, 18, who is African-American and has Asperger's disorder. Latson wound up being charged with assault and battery after he "proceeded to attack and assault the deputy," according to a police report. No gun was ever found. Details of the incident are complex and still evolving, but the preliminary reports were enough to gain attention from members of the autistic community who worry their children could be next. In the words of one mother, this story is "my nightmare."This reminds me about a similar crime I wrote about last year concerning another black man with disablities, Antonio Love.
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Canisius College (14-5, 0-0 MAAC) vs. Saint Peter's (5-10, 0-0 MAAC)
Demske Sports Complex
March 23-24
Game 1: RHP Garrett Cortright (5-0, 0.97 ERA) vs. RHP Zachary Hopf (0-3, 3.96 ERA)
Game 2: RHP Devon Stewart (1-2, 5.20 ERA) vs. RHP Matthew Yuhas (2-1, 3.91 ERA)
Game 3: LHP Alex Godzak (2-1, 2.66 ERA) vs. TBA
- Winners in 10 of its last 11 games, the Canisius baseball team opens Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference play this weekend with a three-game series against Saint Peter's University at the Demske Sports Complex.
- Canisius played its first 19 games of the season away from home, with its 12 road wins standing as the most in the country.
- The 14 wins for the Golden Griffins are the most of any team in the Northeast region.
- Canisius was named the Northeast Region Louisville Slugger Team of the Week by College Baseball Insider on Tuesday.
- Canisius is one of 48 teams in the country with 14 or more wins.
- Canisius has won 189 games since the start of the 2008 season, the fourth-highest total in the Northeast.
- Canisius has qualified for the MAAC Championship in each of the last six seasons, winning the MAAC regular-season title in 2008 and 2010.
- Canisius has had eight players selected in the Major League Baseball Draft since 2008.
- The Golden Griffins have had three All-Americans in the last five seasons.
- Canisius has had three freshman All-Americans since 2007, including sophomore Devon Stewart following the 2012 campaign.
- Coach Mike McRae won his 300th game on March 16. McRae has 301 wins in his career, trailing only Don Colpoys (325 wins) in the Canisius record books.
- Canisius leads the all-time series 29-17 with Saint Peter's. The Griffs won the series in Jersey City, N.J. last season, sweeping Saturday's doubleheader before losing on Sunday.
- The Griffs won both games between the teams at the Demske Sports Complex in 2011, with the third game being cancelled due to inclement weather.
- Canisius has won 15 of the last 17 meetings between the schools and is 10-2 in the last 12 games between the teams in Buffalo.
- Junior Ryan Coppinger has a hit in all five career games against the Peacocks, going 8-for-15 with two homers, eight RBI, three walks and three steals.
- Junior Garrett Cortright went seven innings and struck out six in a win last season.
- Senior Brooklyn Foster had four hits in the series last year, scoring two runs and recording two RBI.
- Sophomore Devon Stewart threw a seven-inning complete game in a 10-1 win in the second game of last year's series, allowing six hits and walking one.
- Junior Shane Zimmer is 6-for-16 with four RBI and two walks in five career games.
- Saint Peter's enters the weekend series with a 5-10 record after a 10-1 loss against Seton Hall on Wednesday afternoon.
- Senior Matt Speckmann leads the Saint Peter's offense with a .340 batting average, as well as with team highs in RBI (11) and runs scored (10).
- John Leiter has a 2.65 ERA in 17 innings, allowing a .200 opponents' batting average, striking out 13 and walking 12 in five appearances.
- Saint Peter's is 5-1 this season when scoring four or more runs in a game and is 0-9 when scoring two or fewer runs.
- Saint Peter's pitchers have yielded 61 walks in 117.2 innings.
- The Peacocks are hitting .244 as a team, have a 4.82 team ERA and have a .960 fielding percentage.


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These iconic buildings are great for a city's character and downtown vitality. But they're quickly disappearing.
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A solutions-oriented approach.
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In places like Istanbul and Mexico City, BRT is cleaning the air and saving commute time.
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According to a new survey, they favor walkability, cars, enormous homes, privacy, and a bunch of other things.
How cars slowly took over our lives, and our transportation options.
The city's "emerald necklace" is a 1,100-acre chain of green spaces connecting the Boston Common to five additional parks and an arboretum.
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We've made it harder than ever for kids to walk, bike or even play outside and the consequences are dire.
Ponte Tower began as a haven for Johannesburg's white elites. but fell into disrepair when they began to flee the city.
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Are designers preoccupied with making artistic statements rather than spaces where people would actually want to be?
York, Alabama, created a cottage that can quickly expand for outdoor shows and concerts.
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