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I understand your position, but with some research and reading even a newbie can do a *decent* prep job. You can't just go out and try to sand/prep without doing some good research first. There have been many paint articles in the rodding magazines that explain this. If you don't have the time or patience you get to pay for it, or it will show in the paint job.
Maaco or wherever will go over what you've done and the better ones will be a bit more diligent looking over a car that at least looks like a lot of effort went into getting it ready for paint. I've had one of the shops call me and tell me that I had an area that needed some more work -- they'd point it out and I could take it back or they could do it and charge extra. I went over and ended up letting them do it for the extra $200 they wanted, wasn't worth it to me to pull it back home and come back out another day. So I ended up with an $800 job instead of the $425 special, but I'm glad I did it.
You're 100% on the right/fast/cheap equation! I wouldn't take a show car to Maaco (etc.), but just to get decent paint on a beater or until I can afford better it's a good deal. I wouldn't expect perfection, just nothing real obvious wrong. There's no arguing that a professionally prepped car is going to have a much better paint job than an amateur job. Not much arguing that the "gunners" at Maaco should be able to do a better job than someone who hasn't done it before either. Charged me about $800 in 2003. His son (who was the helper!) did the flames for nothing because he wanted to try his hand at it -- was his first flame job! Wonderful job, he free handed it all but the left and right sides of the hood look like a template was used!
My last paint job was done by a pro. I did most of the prep work, including spraying the primer. He took one look at it and sent his helper out to assist me with finishing it -- and I thought it was ready to spray. About 5-6 hours later with both of us going over it (me following instructions!) it was acceptable, but that's all the painter would call it. He normally wouldn't have taken a car that someone else had done so much prep to (especially spraying the high-build primer), but he was a friend and did it as long as I promised not to tell people he let me prep it -- and also that if the paint fell off it was MY fault, not his! He knew me well enough to know I understood that before we even started or he wouldn't have, and I wouldn't have blamed him. It still looks good -- no paint problems, just a few chips from driving (it's the wagon in my avatar and photo album).
First off,prepping a car isnt that ez and nobody can do it right without at least 1yr experiance ,thats every day so why on earth does every newbie think they can do it better than someone with the experiance. out of all the econo shops around Macco might just be the best and most times they'll work with you.just like any other place theres new guys that are just learning and others that have been there a while and know how its done.Thats the main reason some are good and some arent so good just make sure you get the guy with the most experiance to sand the car,putting a sander in the hands of a newbie is a sure way to get a terrible looking paint job no matter who paints it...PREP IS EVERYTHING....
You cant paint on a nice prep job,so what happens is the owner gets all pissed off because the car looks like crap and takes it personally when hes told the truth, he screwd the car up sanding it whether its the wrong grit paper wrong tools (like an electric orbital sander) waves ,gouges or half moons caused by the sanding pad being held too long in one spot or using a 20.00 DA from HF....Theres more to know about prepping a car right than there is to know about the actual painting so doing your own prep work is only good if you have the experiance the paint only shows how well the prep work was done ,thats it...
The guys at Macco sand about 5-10 cars a day so theres only about 1 hr sanding time ,it takes me a day to sand a car right so of coarse mine looks better but my paint jobs cost about 10 times more so what do you expect for 400.00 ???? that wont even cover the cost of my paint.....
For what they charge Macco does a pretty good job and 2,000.00for all that work is a deal but dont expect perfect especially if you prep it yourself and never done it for a living....Theres hundreds of common mistakes made in sanding and prepping a car and just because it was a lot of work and took a long time dont mean you did it well the best you can expect is for it to look like it was done by a diy'er if it looks better than that you did well and maybe got lucky but dont blame the shop if it looks like a cheap paint job,if thats all you paid for.
one more thing....dont be fooled by a shop saying they use PPG....PPG also makes some pretty crappy paint called omini and THATS what they use...not the good stuff,how could they if the good stuff costs more than the job? after all they are only there to make money and pumping out a fair job at a fair price is how they do it if you want them to spend more time on your car then you'll have to pay more...I cant think of any body shop that would even paint a car that someone prepped themselves because theres to much BS involved .be thankful for the ones that still do...
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theres only three types of work..... good quality, fast ,and cheap....you can only get two so pick the two you want most...example :If you want it good and fast it wont be cheap...or if you want it cheap and fast it wont be good...
I've used Maaco, Earl Schieb (had them out west still in 1985!), and Peach (in Georgia, naturally!) -- all cheap paint job places, but got good paint jobs. As everyone else says, do most of the prep work yourself, and strip everything you can off first. The more prep you do the more careful they'll be with it, in my experience. It's obvious you're doing it for love of the car and you made things easy for them. I figure that anyone who sprays 3-4 cars a day 5-6 days a week ought to be able to do a better job than I can! So it should be better than something an inexperienced guy can do at home.
If the old paint is good -- meaning it's sticks really good (no peeling) and isn't all cracked up all you need to do is scuff it up real good so there's no old wax or grease on it and the new paint will stick. Primer isn't necessary unless there are bare metal spots. They will spray a sealer over the old paint before putting on new though. The sealer is usually a light gray similar to primer, but it may be any color -- or even clear.
|for the prep when going from one color to another, are you just scuffing the clear to paint new color or must you prime also over the old color.(not going bare metal)
do all prep work your self which includes
bodywork and prime over body work only im assuming.
remove trim.
scuff clear coat.
have them paint using ppg paint??
3 to 4 coats of clear. good clear coat, not the cheap one.(for color sanding later)
do you need to buy your own paint to assure this?
if i missed anything correct me.
what price should we be looking at going this route?
There's a Maaco nearby that advertises that he's the only Maaco that uses PPG paint. I went and saw him when I wanted my car painted and he looked over my bodywork and said he'd need to do a little more to make it perfect.
Then he said he'd do a BC/CC in the color I wanted, but would not guarantee the paint because he didn't know what I had shot. I showed him the receipts ffor all the primer, iller, etc. and he said it was all good, but still needed to add a disclaimer "that some imperfections might show". WTF???
I asked why he needed to go over my work, and still tell me something might show? He "just wanted to be sure I wouldn't be mad if it wasn't perfect".
I told him for the quoted price of $2271 that it better be perfect, or adjust the estimate to a price that would reflect "perfect".
I finally called a local one man shop that does a lot of custom paint and bodywork. He came by the house and looked at the car and gave me a quote of $2,000 to pick it up, paint it, and deliver it back in his enclosed trailer. The work was as good as I could ever ask for, and no baloney or excuses.
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|. 4 coats of clear. now is that the presidential for 1400 with the bc/cc. the others ones seem to be single stage
As I stressed in How To Paint Your Car, the main part of making a paint job a sucess is the body prep (prior to paint) and the buffing and polishing (after the paint). So, if you can get the body straight and smooth, a shop such as Maaco or other similar shop can probably do a good job for you. You just need to talk to some of their past customers if at all possible, and explain to the shop foreman what you expect. If the foreman seems to understand what you are wanting, you can end up with a job well done. Like somone eqrlier mentioned, they can spray a few extra coats so that you have something to color sand and polish. If the foreman doesn't seem to understand what you are talking about, go elsewhere.
even though i havnt had that problem since i used regular primer first and then filler primer second.
40 years ago I had Miracle (Franchised shops,low cost paint jobs) in northern Calif spray my car that I had prepped and spot primed. The primer spotted areas showed thru. Make sure you use a primer that is compatable with products they use.
they prolly didnt rinse off the car before they sprayed it. but after they fixed no complaints at all. they did a really nice job.
i may have some upclose pictures ill look in my photobucket and see
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That car looks good from here. How does it look up close? Would you care to mention the price and are you happy with the whole transaction ?
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Mann agreed that attending the congress enriched his Wittenberg experience and fostered a new passion for his studies and future goals. He added that one of the highlights for him was a tour of a NASA facility, which kindled his interest in aerospace engineering.
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Warren County, formed in 1779 from no-longer-extant Bute County, is located along the Virginia-North Carolina line in the northeastern Piedmont. It was an early center of the state's tobacco- and cotton-growing plantation economy and the birthplace of many of its early political leaders. The county seat, Warrenton, was established in the same year as the county, and both are named for Joseph Warren, revolutionary Patriot and physician killed in the Battle of Bunker Hill. The town of Macon, incorporated in 1889, was named for Nathaniel Macon (1757-1837), who called the county home and served as Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives and as a U.S. senator. Other Warren County communities include Arcola, Elberon, Inez, Liberia, Manson, Norlina, Ridgeway, Vaughn, and Wise; the town of Littleton is partly in the county and partly in Halifax County to the east.
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After the Civil War, the county's agricultural economy failed to recover, but its black landholders and a new population of freedmen made the county an important if short-lived cradle of black political clout during Reconstruction. John Hyman, the first African American to represent North Carolina in the U.S. Congress, hailed from the county. Whites and blacks in Warren County and other surrounding "Black Belt" counties endured economic misfortunes as the state's northeastern counties failed to enjoy the industrial growth seen elsewhere in the state. After World War II, the region's blacks began to find their voices, and many of them played important roles in the local and statewide movements for civil rights. One of the most prominent was Littleton native Ella Baker, a key figure in the founding of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. In the 1970s civil rights leader Floyd B. McKissick worked to build a new town in Warren County called Soul City, a community meant to foster and celebrate the aspirations of African Americans but one that failed to meet expectations.
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Warren County Chamber of Commerce: http://www.warren-chamber.org/
DigitalNC, Warren County: http://digitalnc.org/counties/warren-county
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I see lots of ads for 'Plugs' for Glock handles. How come Glocks even have holes that need to be plugged?
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I see lots of ads for 'Plugs' for Glock handles. How come Glocks even have holes that need to be plugged?
If I'm not mistaken...
If enough dirt and grime can get up there it can seize the works.
I believe the primary function of the tiny hole at the top of the much-larger lower grip cavity is to allow water to quickly drain out of the pistol if it is completely immersed. The fact that the same hole may allow a small amount dirt into the weapon is not a problem for the vast majority of users, as the pistol is cleaned periodically before this small amount could build-up enough to cause any problems. The weapon has passed many military dirt/dust tests, and if the hole was a problem, you'd have solid evidence of it by now.
I've carried my Glocks outside quite a bit in forever-windy North Dakota, and dirt/dust/crud/snow/ice build-up has never been a problem, even when I shoot them a lot and clean semi-annually. I have plugs in some of my Glocks, and not in others. For me, it's not a big deal either way.
I've also cleaned a few abused-by-the-former-owner Glocks, and despite some of them being absolutely filthy with firing residue, none of then had any grip cavity crud build-up problems, either. It's a total non-issue, in my opinion.
What if I say its there to allow a weighted base plate to be screwed on allowing persons to better manage the recoil on larger calibres. I think I read this somewhere.
I am hoping we are referring to the same hole here.....lol
I have one in mine because I like the looks of it and to keep me from worrying about anything finding it's way down in my gun.
Yep. I have it for looks. Makes the weapon seem more complete.
Gaston designed it with a hole in the bottom, it stays that way for me... just my opinion
Plugs can keep stuff out, but they could also keep stuff in. I refuse to plug the butt of my Glock.:mrgreen:
I've only been on this forum for about 8 or 9 months and I think I've seen this same topic appear as a new thread about 5 times -- and the post content is always the same. Maybe this should be a "sticky".
I use one on my 30. It adds a little more comfort to the grip for me. I take it out and use compressed air occasionally when cleaning to blow out any debris. Before I bought it, I did notice small amounts of "carry" dust and lint in the cavity, but probably not enough to worry about.
Between the plug and finger-grip extensions om the mags, it adds a lot more comfort to the grip for me.
Where it is legal you insert the attachment for the Glock shoulder stock in that hole. (Even where it is illegal you would attach the shoulder stock by inserting the arm into that hole.)
See: http://www.ebairsoft.com/images/big/...0stock%201.jpg
Solution: Drink an entire bottle of white, red, or rose wine. Save the cork. After you sober up carve the cork to fit the opening. Press it in. Remember the good time you had drinking the wine. The plug is free. (Or buy the shoulder stock).
I don't know for sure, but Glock probably put the hollow space there for weight reduction. Besides, it does catch a lot of dust bunnies and ghost turds up in there.


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Re: Catalina value
The 86-88 vintage 36s in brokerage in your area have been listing just under 50k and selling in the low 40s over the last two years.
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We bought an older C36 this last summer. I will second the C36 user association as an incredible resource. Also, a factor for us was location. We spent months looking at boats from Wisconsin, Chicago, and southern Michigan. At the end of the day, we factored all the variables and gladly paid a bit more money for a comparable boat that only required that we moved the boat 4 slips for the delivery, as opposed to finding help sailing one home or getting it delivered.
On a side note, my family absolutely loves our C36, we have been very happy with it.
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Originally Posted by DRFerron View Post
Isn't that sort of an adjustment? I wouldn't pick over the fridge, but if they repaired the bow pulpit that was money you didn't have to put out and more money that they did.
The reason there was an adjustment was that the broker and seller had pointed out what they knew of the boat and everything they knew was wrong. My offer was based on that information. The bow pulpit had not be noticed by anyone until during the survey, hence we agreed on an adjustment in the form of a repair.
It was interesting that it was me, not the surveyor, who noticed that the pulpit was out of whack. Sighting down from on centerline it seemed bent. The surveyor looked and said "sure is". The broker looked and said "damn, you're right".
Broker said the marina shop guys could straighten it out. The shop guys said it got wacked 2 years prior and they had already worked on it, that was as good as they could get it. Broker was good. He didn't argue, just ordered a new pulpit. Catalina sold them a replacement for around $700 and it cost another $500 to have it installed.
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Originally Posted by SailingJackson View Post
Agreed. When I got my boat the survey found the bow pulpit had been bent out of whack and the fridge did not work. There was no adjustment in price, but the seller paid the cost of repairing those items.
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Originally Posted by chef2sail View Post
If I was selling a boat and someone tries to renegotiate me down after the signed the contract thinking they had a second oppertunity I would tell them to stuff it.
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I am confused here about this after survey offer.
Generaly the order of business is for the buyer to inspect the boat...once you decide to buy it make an offer. At this point a back and forth between the owner takes place until you either walk away or find a mtually agreeable price. A contract is drawn up and a 10% down payment is made. The contract is made pending the results of the survey.
Buyer pays for the surveyor, buyer pays to have boat put in water if on the land sroed, buyer pays for haul out and re winterization.
Survey can take place before this and then if all is going well sea trial takes place. If the Buyer finds all ok and no major chages occur and sea test shows well then the buyer oks and the price of the contract is enforced.
MOst sales I have seen there is no new renegotiation unless there are some real issiues that were not disclosed beforehand or the engine doesnt work or the hull is in bad shape. I have seen a liitle allowance for other stuff, but there is a signed contract.
There is no second period of negotiations unless the buyer doesnt like things found not to be sound via the surveyors findings. If a few minor things needed to be repaired that would be negotiasble as to who and whether that came off the price or was incurred by the owner.
If I was selling a boat and someone tries to renegotiate me down after the signed the contract thinking they had a second oppertunity I would tell them to stuff it.
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This will be our first boat. There is a 1987 Catalina 36 foot sailboat. It's in good condition. It's been upgraded with an in-boom mainsail furler. It's for sailing on Lake Michigan. We are considering placing an offer but are looking for guidance on what the market value might be for a similar boat. We know it will depend on a survey, but are looking for some rough ideas of the price point on this year of boat. Any guidance?
Other factors are the 1) winter cover, 2) decent canvas 3) reverse cycle air conditioning, 4) upgraded fridge, and 5) wing keel.
I wouldn't give much for any of the electronics on the boat, but some of the stuff I've listed above adds a good deal to the value. In particular, with Lake Michigan at record low levels, that boosts the value of shoal draft. Years back when the lake was nearly this low there were dozens of 6' draft boats offered at give-away prices. As long as the lake stays low shoal draft will add to the value of your boat and add to your freedom as to where you can get into.
In addition to a survey, you need to ask questions about the engine. That boat has been in use 26 years and he has not listed the engine hours.
You can also get lots of support over at Catalina 36 International Association Forums - Powered by vBulletin. I'd agree with another poster of around $40K. $38K would be a great deal, but $45K would not be unreasonable if the survey supports it. Don't survey in this sort of weather, wait until it warms up and the surveyor will be able to investigate a little more thoroughly.
Re: Catalina value
In addition to what everyone else said, when we got to the point where we had a survey done, after it was over the surveyor told us what other boats of the same model and year and in comparable condition that he surveyed sold for. We took that into consideration (sorta) when we adjusted the after-survey offer.
Re: Catalina value
Thank you to all who responded. You have been a great help. I just wish it were summer! It's cold looking at a boat on the hard in 18 degree weather.
Re: Catalina value
Have your or a brolker bring up what the comporable Cat 36 have sold for in the last 3 years. Not the asking price but the actual selling price. You picked one of the most popular made boats and a good one. There are many good choices
There are many factors which can geatly swing prices of same boats...Faster mentioned some, I will add age of engine and condition, maintainence records, upgrades, rigging, sail newness overall appearence and care of the hull and also the interior.
These are Catlina listings
YachtWorld.com Boats and Yachts for Sale
If you ate settled on the 36 Catalinas...look around the country for the best one. It might pay to have it shipped or delivered,
If this is the boat, it looks ok from a pitcure glance.
Interior looks like it ewill need to livining up and wish there were more pictures. Cradle and winter cover ( which is important where you are) will run you over $4000. They dont list engine hours or the age of the sails. AC/ heat is nice but what year. Electronics is ok...but is old.
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This one has upgrades in elctric systems, tall rig, inner forestay, new cushions, davits, radar pole,
This one looks like in better condition and is $10,000 cheaper even if you shipped it its cheaper
This one is very nice...1990 and really low engine hours and in your area. I like it condition best
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Re: Scary night sail
I took Charlie and Pat out last Saturday. It was blowing sustained 20 with gusts to 25. Pretty good chop. I'm getting pretty comfortable with this boat.
With a single reef in the main it handled pretty well. Was a little hard to tack but doable. We tacked a couple times and jibed a couple of times.
Tried the jib but that didn't work too well.
Charlie was having a good time but we did run into a couple of problems. Neither of them have very good legs. Charlie's are not functional at all, and his wife's are not very good either.
It is amazing how much you need your legs even if you are sitting when the boat is healing.
They both had a very difficult time staying put.
I had to really work at not healing the boat too much which was pretty hard with that much wind.
I discovered that our dock has a dock flag File:ICS November.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That way if you are flying your flag they will come and help you dock or stop by for drinks if they catch you in Block Island or wherever. Been doing it for 50 years. Only dock to do it the "N" dock. I thought it was pretty cool.
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How much higher does he need to be? Is it merely a few inches? Can he sit on one of the square, Type IV floatation cushions?[/quote
If the reefing systems are inoperable, don't be afraid to issue a "no-go" if the wind is up.
He can with his hands hop up on a 5" cushion.
We mocked up a 10" cushion and he couldn't get up on it.
He has a scissors lift from an old car but installing that will trash the aft cockpit locker and require a lot of work and possibly and extra battery or two.
The current thinking is a board with a double layer of 5" foam in the middle and and single on the sides.
This way he can step himself up.
This device would have to snap in somehow so it didn't slid around.
He would have to have a flip down shelf for his feet as they otherwise would not touch the floor.
Even if this works I still have some concerns.
If the boat heals what is going to keep him from sliding off the seat.
He has to be able to get out of the way if I have to drive or if he just wants to take a break.
We both have to be able to reach the engine controls on the starboard side.
I don't think we have a good idea yet.
Maybe the scissors lift is what it will have to be.
But how safe is it. Will it pinch someone on the way down?
Can he see and control the engine at the same time.
If he had even 10k to spend maybe something can be done.
But right now he needs dock-lines, sail cover, running rigging, engine work and an interior.
He is so far over his head and didn't know it.
I think he is slowing coming to that understanding.
If I can work it out so he can have one more season maybe then he can see the adventure as a success.
The last sail of the day yesterday I didn't put up the main. It was gusty enough that the half Genoa was enough for a mom and her two young daughters none of whom had ever been on a boat before.
I made that mistake a few years ago and the guy never went out a second time.
Re: Scary night sail
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It's nice to follow this thread
If you take the boat in and have to go forward to get the spring on the dock, you could instruct the owner to use rudder and engine to keep the boat in place while you tie the other lines.
As stupid as this sounds this is such a low budget operation we really don't have any extra dock lines. The ones he has are pretty ratty.
He only paid 2,500 for the boat and honestly thought he was going to get a boat for a couple thousand over that. He now has about 20k into the boat and is very surprised about how much stuff costs.
He has a regular job and is not wealthy so this adventure is really a stretch.
Yes I did tell him to not buy this boat as I knew it would cost a lot to fix up.
I was just one of a dozen people at the time giving him advice.
I was actually pretty angry at the broker and yard manager and surveyor for taking his money.
I never expected he would get it in the water.
He also is not very conducive to folks telling him what he can and can't do, has heard it before.
But sometimes folks do the wrong thing and it works out for them.
In this case the unusual off-set companion way and L shaped cockpit make it possible for his wife to board so maybe it was a good decision.
He lost a couple of months getting the boat ready and getting the insurance company to let him take it off the dock.
I'm just trying to let him have an acceptable end of season so maybe he will have 6 months to save some money.
But yes I'm pretty much at the limits of what I think is doable. Their were about 5 other guys that drive boats for SailCTaccess.org and none of them will get near the boat. The power squadron guys have helped him out a lot but they are not too up on sailing.
Re: Scary night sail
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If you take the boat in and have to go forward to get the spring on the dock, you could instruct the owner to use rudder and engine to keep the boat in place while you tie the other lines.
I wouldn't want to tie a spring to a stanchion but but tying to the forward cleat then having a loop around the shrouds to keep it close to the boat is an interesting idea.
Re: Scary night sail
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I'm a big fan of springs but I find that they work best if put on a mid-ship cleat.
This boat does not have such a cleat.
I may try it from the bow and see what happens.
suggest you try with a spring from the forward cleat before you start installing new cleats.
Another option is to use the forward cleat and use a rope strop to keep the line alongside the boat at the middle if you find an attachment point (it's not going to be much load on this stop).
If you take the boat in and have to go forward to get the spring on the dock, you could instruct the owner to use rudder and engine to keep the boat in place while you tie the other lines.
Re: Scary night sail
Have you considered getting Charlie to add cleats? That seems the most straightforward solution. There's another thread here that includes a link to some genoa traveler cleats that are on sale:
He could also just go with fixed cleats. My boat has mid-ship cleats, and it is worth the expense (and I'm "frugal").
Re: Scary night sail
Marking the docklines is an excellent idea.
The "better solution" is to get the owner high enough so that he can see while driving in close quarters.
How much higher does he need to be? Is it merely a few inches? Can he sit on one of the square, Type IV floatation cushions?
If the reefing systems are inoperable, don't be afraid to issue a "no-go" if the wind is up.
Re: Scary night sail
Originally Posted by jimgo View Post
David, why not use a spring line?
This boat does not have such a cleat.
I may try it from the bow and see what happens.
Re: Scary night sail
David, why not use a spring line? I set one up on our boat, and in the 3 times I've docked, I found it worked perfectly. I "just" have to line myself up on the piling near the finger, then grab the line and hook it on the cleat. After that, the boat's momentum snugs me against the finger and I can get the stern and bow lines on. For me, it's spring line (starboard side), starboard stern line, bow lines, then port side stern line.
Re: Scary night sail
This experience has really upped my game.
One challenge is that I have to handle docking myself.
Since Charlie can't get high enough to see well in close quarters I have to drive and then move forward and get off the boat and grab both the bow and stern lines.
I found it a little challenging to be able to be at both ends of the boat at once.
So I have recently come up with a strategy that seems to work.
Don't forget I have very pretty power boat to my starboard with no poles or any other protection.
I have a 30' bow line and about a 20' stern line.
I tie them together with a square know and leave them draped over the life lines.
After I make my left turn into the slip I allow the bow to swing past the pole on the port side.
Then I put it in reverse to slow the boat down and the bow swings starboard and the boat gets about 1/3 to 1/2 of the way into the slip.
This lets me get close enough to leave the engine in idle and go forward and step off the boat with the bow line.
I tie the bow line on the middle cleat as if it was a spring line.
By now the stern is starting to float away towards the power boat.
I can power reel in the bitter end of the bow line which since it is tied to the end of the stern line means that in about two seconds I have the stern line which if I pull it in tight forces the boat forward and pulls in the bow.
Now I can go fetch the bow breast line and tie it off.
This worked better than having someone on board attempting to throw me the stern line because if the throw misses I'm in trouble.
Based on my prior experience now that I think I've got the process down the next time I'll screw up royally.
If anyone has a better way to do this I'm all eyes.
My next big idea is to electrical tape or magic marker the dock lines where I want them so I can get them in the right place on the first or second try.
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'"They believe in me as a player and a person. I believe in the organization as well," Connolly said in an HSBC Arena corridor while many of his teammates took part in a Friday afternoon scrimmage. "I think we've got a great hockey team. I will be back playing this year. It's just a matter of time right now."'
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Olivier Giroud has battled hard to achieve his goals in football and he believes his work ethic will be rewarded at Arsenal.
The France international made his full debut for Arsène Wenger's side in Sunday's goalless draw against Stoke and impressed with a combative display up front.
Giroud is yet to find the net for his new club but the powerful striker is confident he can follow up a prolific campaign in Ligue 1 with Montpellier.
"I'm aware of how lucky I am to be at Arsenal, so I will fully enjoy it and remember where I've come from," Giroud told Arsenal Player. "I'm aware of the journey I've taken to get here and I'm proud of that.
"These experiences have made me who I am - I fought hard to become a footballer. I grew up everywhere I went, I took away something that made me grow up, I learned things and little by little I got better from my experiences. Now I hope I am able to express myself in the Premier League.
"There is much more rhythm in England in the Premier League, it's more intense. There is more duelling because the referee allows it and there is more engagement, so there's the physical aspect as well as the technical aspect that have to be taken into account.
"For me the Premier League is the best league and it has the best players, even if Barcelona and Real Madrid are the best in Spain. The Premier League is a very competitive league, so it involves a certain level of concentration at all times."
Giroud will be expected to provide goals and the Frenchman insists that Arsenal's style - comprising two wider players and a central striker - will help him adapt.
"It's the same gameplan that we had at Montpelier and the same plan I played with in the French national team, with a No 10 like Cazorla behind me," he said.
"It's the same tactical plan I am used to so I am not lost, I know how to play in relation to my partners and it's just a little adjustment that is needed to make things automatic on the pitch.
"We will develop our understanding soon so I am not worried. We have good players and having the same tactics as Montpellier makes it easier for me."
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It's been an unusual year in Alta and it's not nearly over.
A recent 3rd District Court ruling stripped Steven "Piney" Gilman of his Town Council seat and now a property owner has filed a legal notice with Alta town claiming that Mayor Tom Pollard and Councilman Paul Moxley may be in the same boat.
Some in the tiny community that abuts the legendary ski resort believe a power play is in the works aimed at bringing new construction to the top of Little Cottonwood Canyon.
Gilman has not decided whether to appeal theFeb. 15 ruling that found he was a resident of Cottonwood Heights and, therefore, ineligible to vote in Alta or hold office there.
Alta resident Guy Jordan filed a challenge against Gilman with Salt Lake County Clerk Sherrie Swensen. When Swensen ruled in Gilman's favor, Jordan appealed to 3rd District Court.
In the wake of the court ruling against Gilman, Mark Haik, who owns four platted lots within Alta's municipal boundary, filed a claim with Alta under Utah's government liability act that calls into question the legality of Pollard and Moxley to sit on the Town Council.
Both men have Salt Lake Valley residences.
But Pollard also works in Alta at Rustler Lodge, which is listed with the Salt Lake County Clerk as his legal residence. And Moxley owns a condominium in Alta that is listed as his legal residence.
When contacted, Pollard declined to comment; Moxley said he is a longtime resident of Alta.
Although he filed his claim with the town, Haik has not challenged either man's eligibility with the Salt Lake County Clerk, as is the norm for questioning eligibility.
Paul Haik, a lawyer who represents his brother, Mark Haik, explained Wednesday that based on the ruling in Gilman's case, Alta officials should realize that three of the five members of the Town Council may be serving outside the law and therefore "may be harming our interests."
The claim, among other things, serves to warn Town Clerk Kate Black that she should not accept declarations of candidacy for the two men prior to the November election, Paul Haik said. Pollard's and Moxley's terms expire in January.
Black declined comment, saying the town's attorneys are reviewing the claim.
In 2012, Haik filed suit in federal court against Salt Lake City and Alta over water: "Salt Lake City Corporation and the Town of Alta combined to accomplish the objective of using denial of water as a means of controlling development within Albion Basin Subdivision," the still-pending suit states.
Lou Moore, who owns and operates the Alta Java coffee shop, said it's no coincidence that Haik is challenging Pollard and Moxley. A shift in power on the Alta Town Council could aid Haik in his battle to build on his Alta land, Moore said.
"It doesn't take rocket science to know what's going on," he said. "It's what we said before: If Piney loses, they're going to challenge all the voters in Alta."
But Paul Haik said the two actions are not necessarily connected. "I disagree with that characterization," he said.


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Arsène Wenger says his Arsenal squad is well placed to deal with Robin van Persie's departure because the Club "anticipated the situation".
The Dutch striker completed his move to Manchester United on Friday, but the Gunners have ready-made replacements in new signings Lukas Podolski and Olivier Giroud.
It is a different story to last summer, when Wenger made late moves to replace Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri. The manager admits he acted swiftly to prevent a repeat.
"We are better prepared because we anticipated the situation," he said. "That doesn't mean it is easy to replace a player like Robin.
"We are prepared and had anticipated the situation for a long, long time. We didn't manage to extend Van Persie's contract, we had to act and that is what we did.
"I have seen so many situations where players want to go and in the end they change their mind or players who stay and in the end they want to go. In our job you have to adapt.
"A human being sometimes has surprising actions and our job is to adapt day to day. Every day you find a new problem and you have just sorted one out. Then just behind that there is another one."
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Christian University Bans Conservative Student Club
Conservative students at Azusa Pacific University, an evangelical Christian university near Los Angeles, have been blocked from starting a chapter of Young Americans for Freedom because the school took issue with the group's principles.
The YAF is a program sponsored by the Young America's Foundation — dedicated to introducing young people to the ideas of individual freedom, a strong national defense, free enterprise and traditional values. The foundation also owns and preserves the Reagan Ranch.
Patrick Coyle, vice president of the Young America's Foundation, said they were approached by students who wanted to be recognized as a YAF chapter.
"They were told by the administrators that they could not change their name because they had looked at our website and didn't like the language we used," Coyle told Fox News.
University administrators said they have absolutely no problem with conservative clubs — but they did have an issue with YAF — and references on their website to liberal professors and radical feminists who are trying to take over college campuses across the nation.
Ashley Blackwell was one of the students hoping to launch the YAF chapter. She is currently the president of the Young Conservatives club on campus.
"It is really disappointing that a school, which promotes diversity and uses the mantra 'everyone matters,' would ban an existing club from changing its name," she told Breitbart.com — which first reported the incident.
So Coyle called Chuck Strawn, the director of the university's "Office of Communiversity."
"I asked if there were any written rules the students had violated and he said no," Coyle said. "He said it was just their opinion."
He said the specific language Azusa Pacific took issue with is:
"Are you tired of liberal ideas dominating your campus? Are you tired of liberal and Marxist professors indoctrinating your classmates? Do you want to advance conservatism?
"If you answered yes, then you should start a Young Americans for Freedom chapter. YAF chapters make a difference by boldly advancing freedom and conservatism.
"Radical feminists, big government bureaucrats, fringe environmentalists, race-baiters, Islamo-fascists, and run of the mill leftists are distraught that you would even think about promoting conservative ideas."
"It is even more frustrating that this censorship isn't even due to school rules or policy," Blackwell told Breitbart.com. "They just don't agree with language on YAF's website about colleges having liberal professors. I guess the truth hurts."
Coyle agreed, noting, "I think that it's very arrogant on their part to say what students can call their own group. That should be up to the students — and not the administrators."
Jennifer Walsh, the associate dean for Azusa Pacific's college of liberal arts, was a part of the discussions that ultimately led to the group being banned.
"We are sensitive to the need to make sure we are keeping our Christ-centered identity first and not allow students to align themselves with groups that are overtly partisan," she told Fox News.
Walsh confirmed that the university's student life director "was a little troubled" by some of the language on the YAF website.
"The (website) seemed to be intentionally pitched to students who are facing a hostile learning environment," she said. "That's not what we have at Azusa Pacific."
She said the university ultimately determined the club would not be a good fit.
"It wasn't so much that YAF is promoting conservative views," she said. "It was more that it didn't match the climate on campus. It might encourage discourse that is overtly partisan."
The university does not have a College Republican or Young Democrat group. Instead, they offer a conservative club and a progressive club.
Walsh said it was "unfortunate this student has created a firestorm" over what she called a misunderstanding.
"We're trying to avoid those same polarizing discourses that are happening in society," she said. "Not that we don't have healthy deliberation. We do. But we tend to do it from a biblical perspective — which encourages unity rather than divisiveness."
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