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Looks like a Misfits album cover...and I love the MISFITS! In for one!
Re: 1970: Black Sabbath Debut
I like it and also share the year... GMV!
daedalusknight wrote:WARNING: The comedy file linked below contains "offensive language" and thus should not be listened to by anyone who objects to such things:
Thanks for the link.. I listened to a few things on the Rollins page and thought the I Know You was very cool. Had to listen being a very big NIN fan too.
ugomona wrote:I hate to be a killjoy, but the car is a 77-78 Trans Am. The 76 had round headlights.
What I think happened was that this car (the '76) was flying around (probably in 1984) and Cho was playing Duck Hunt. Yes, I know Cho would have been an infant, but Cho had super infant powers that allowed him to play Duck Hunt. Anyway, Cho, being an infant, confused the flying '76 Trans Am for a duck and shot it down. The front panel and the head lights got all banged up and needed to be replaced. The owner of the flying '76 Trans Am, having just shelled out a boatload for the wings couldn't afford the classic '76 front panel, so opted for the body shop to replace it with the '77 front panel that was readily available from the junk yard. (Cho also confused '77 Trans Ams for Centepedes in his youth.)
Re: 1979 - Galaxian Conques All
alian spacecraft flying in the shapes of numbers is txt? that's carp!!! fie on you shirt judger! fie i say!
ATho1100 wrote:this is my second shirt ever... i don't no how to put it on the shirt design but if i did it would b centered in the front of like a black shirt and quite large... hope some people like it
It's going to be rejected because of the numbers. There's no text allowed this derby.
Re: 1969
Nice shirt dude...I LOVE IT!!!! Monty Python is the best!
Oh well who cares??? It's the car that counts.
Re: 1984: The year the marshmallow lost it
1984 was a quality year in film. Indiana Jones, Gremlins, Footloose, and 16 Candles were all bestowed upon our generation. One movie that stood out in geek subculture was Ghostbusters. It had us all dreaming of using our proton packs to splatter marshmallowy goodness over NYC. But did anyone think to take a deeper look into the Stay Puft man? What made this symbol of tastiness turn rotten? This shirt suggests that the marshmallow's evil streak had more behind it than Zuul's magic. In a tragic campfire incident, 1984 became the year the marshmallow lost it.
Re: 1986: The Legend Was Born
This shirts is awesome, it'll go nicely with my stable of zelda shirts I currently own thanx to my gf. great job
dekonstruct wrote:Is that how Lawnchair Larry did it? I know on mythbusters they used a bb gun, but I couldn't find anything on how Larry got down.
The only reference I found was in the imitators section on Wikipedia...
Kent Couch, a 47-year-old gas station owner from Bend, Oregon, ... Like Walters, Couch also had a BB gun on hand to shoot the balloons in order to initiate descent on his first attempt. ...
The entire read... Lawnchair Larry @ Wikipedia.
iheartjavelinas wrote:No wit. No puns. Just a simple, clean design that I'd want to wear.
Not bad but the green... ack! At least brown would have offset as a natural color.
BigKuntry wrote:I'm year of the pig.
No one wants to eulogize that.
You boar me!
Sorry! Couldn't resist.
Nice design on the shirt, not any of those years but like the seamless snake.
Re: 1984: Duck Hunt {RESUB}
Very clever, and that orange and teal pops. Onward to the fog with ye.
tgentry wrote:Hey Shan, you got any info on the new PS contest?
Nope sorry, I wish I did. Joe and I have both emailed Jason and Dave with no results. I guess we're taking the week off.
eHalcyon wrote:I'm afraid Chinese characters are still considered text. This will be rejected.
Great design, too bad some decent ones have gotten rejected while some really foul ones continue on.
Turn the Chinese into line art ... I like the way it contrasts the colors. I'm not an Ox but like the shirt.
Andy47240 wrote:I had to make him a lefty again. I messed that up on the first one and it was driving me crazy.
Well done.. I'm not much of an artist but was trying to come up with something for Hendrix and 70.
frantix wrote:Well done.. I'm not much of an artist but was trying to come up with something for Hendrix and 70.
Frantix, I would like to see what you can come up with. I hope you put something together.
littlejetties wrote:Oh! There's a little space geek in me.
Dang that is a some killer art!
and this shirt rocks! Nicely done!
Re: 1970 First Earth Day (1)
this shirt is just amazing! I really hope it wins! :D
Re: 1975 - one flew over the cuckoo's nest released
i would buy this but for two things:
1. the way the tree ends at the bottom.
2. the cut out and pasted on look. if there had been some areas left open for the blue to be used as a color in the design i think it wouldn't look so disconnected from the shirt it's on.
Re: 1979 Year of the Goat
i think this goat knows something i don't...
JohnQ118 wrote:great. but he needs his pellet gun. that's how he planned (and tried, but failed) to descend.
R.I.P. Larry.
Are you referencing the right guy? He did use the pellet gun to descend into power lines and then climbed down to safety and then was arrested.
skaght wrote:What I think happened was that this car (the '76) was flying around (probably in 1984) and Cho was playing Duck Hunt. Yes, I know Cho would have been an infant, but Cho had super infant powers that allowed him to play Duck Hunt. Anyway, Cho, being an infant, confused the flying '76 Trans Am for a duck and shot it down. The front panel and the head lights got all banged up and needed to be replaced. The owner of the flying '76 Trans Am, having just shelled out a boatload for the wings couldn't afford the classic '76 front panel, so opted for the body shop to replace it with the '77 front panel that was readily available from the junk yard. (Cho also confused '77 Trans Ams for Centepedes in his youth.)
You are correct. That is almost exactly what happened. I had to have the front end replaced and the only flying trans am replacement I could find was from a 78'.
Re: 1972
I like anything technology but wish for a dark background.
Leahbh wrote:This looks way too much like the heroes logo for me.
Amazing how the Heroes logo looks just like an eclipse isn't it?
Re: 1985--From Russia with Fun!
Rejected because: No text...thanks
Like the design other than the full lines.
gargrazz wrote:Vote for the best punk shirt going in the derby... or just give me feedback.
Isn't it the only punk shirt in the derby? :-)
Feedback: I love the layout and color palette, Nice and sharp for a sharp band. I wonder, though, if the curviness of things is hurting the design. When I think Ramones I think sharp edges and abrupt corners, not swervy roundness.
Just a thought.
Like it... can't really add too much to pong unlike the rejected carp would suggest.
Rejected because: Similar shirts already exist
Another big yawwwwwn to the shirt adowwuble cutie-patootie.
FlyinyourSoup wrote:I MUST HAVE THIS 0_0
I adore bucky orbs.
Heheheh... you have to put it as one word... buckyballs... or the filter changes that second word to "orbs." :-)
TravelingKailey wrote:It's going to be rejected because of the numbers. There's no text allowed this derby.
Or because the other two pong shirts submitted on Saturday got rejected but yes the no text rule is front and center.
Pong Submission 1
Pong Submission 2
TAYLORT5 wrote:I said no more black shirts... oh well I will never pass up david gilmour. you got me.
Yeah, I know I use black shirts a lot, but I couldn't help putting this one on black. The blue 30th anniversary cover just isn't as powerful. Or recognizable. Glad you like it and thanks for the vote. :-)
Re: 1972. Pong!
Kailey is right about the numbers. In addition woot already rejected aPong shirt this derby, since they say there are already shirts like that available.
AT, I suggest you find out from either another wooter or someone local who does computer design how to use the shirt templates. In the past, woot has been very strict about only accepting entries on them. While there is a remote possibility they could make an exception (0.00001%), that is not something you want to depend on.
JadenKale wrote:well I did sketch a whole horse originally for this piece, but I changed my mind after I sat here at the computer. 1, If I did the design like the sketch, it would have to be more like a Chinese ink drawing and I just couldn't get the piece to work properly. 2, I didn't feel like scanning my sketches this week. I've successfully filled an 80gig hard drive so I'm desperately in search of eliminating a ton of stuff from my computer just so I can have room for entries and other art projects.
Yeah, I know that feeling. I just went back and started cleaning out some old artwork... I can't beleive how many different versions of some images I saved. Plus I have a lot of them on paper in a file cabinet too!
Anyway, I love Chinese ink drawing... SUPER hard to pull off with anything but ink and paper... or maybe someone with illustrator who really knows how to design brushes.
JadenKale wrote:Seriously, I never would have known that. Then again, I don't find this piece wearable for myself anyway. Every time I look at the piece, I see Africa.
I kinda see what you're saying, but to me it looks much more like Florida than Africa. Hey... Rorschach test, everybody! What land mass does the design of this shirt make you think of?
melancholy wrote:I kinda like this one more in the preview image because it didn't have that sunburst behind it. The sunburst doesn't work as well.
should i get rid of the sunburst?
Turbotuff wrote:Hey Derek, congrats on the 24 this year, just turned 24 on the 9th myself... I would have to get this shirt just for the year.
And I still can't even rent a car
So I know this doesn't really relate to the shirt at all, but you can still rent a car even if you're younger than 25. It just costs more.
starryeyedsky wrote:Probably, he sues for many things. Seriously, you don't want to cross him.
Heheh... I heard Darth Vader's theme (Imperial March) in my head just now when you said that. :-)
littlejetties wrote:Both designs are missing the B.B. gun for shooting the balloons.
There's enough anti-gun sentiment floating around, I figured it diminished marketability.
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Can nanoparticles be used to engineer structures that could be as flexible and useful as the cilia that help bacteria move around?
Jason Benkoski, a senior scientist at Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory and an affiliated faculty member of Johns Hopkins Institute for NanoBioTechnology, will discuss his current research in this endeavor on March 1 at 1:30 p.m. in the Rome Room, Clark 110 at the Johns Hopkins University Homewood campus. Hosted by the Department of Biomedical Engineering, this talk also will be teleconferenced to the Talbot Library in Traylor 709 at the School of Medicine.
Abstract: Taking inspiration from eukaryotic cilia, we report a method for growing dense arrays of magnetically actuated microscopic filaments. Fabricated from the bottom-up assembly of polymer-coated cobalt nanoparticles, each segmented filament measures approximately 5–15 microns in length and 23.5 nanometers in diameter, which was commensurate with the width of a single nanoparticle. Boasting the flexibility of biological cilia, we envision applications for this technology that include micropumps, micro-flow sensors, microphones with hardware-based voice detection, surfaces with enhanced thermal transfer, switchable, tunable filters, and microscopic locomotion.
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Embellished Ponte Peplum Top
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- Princess-seamed fit. Concealed back zip.
- Sequins and tube beads in silver and hematite metal tones.
- Wrinkle-resistant ponté knit has a highly refined appearance. Sleek and smooth, it structures silhouettes with a supple drape.
- Silky jersey lining. Bra strap guides.
- Shell: 70% Rayon, 25% Nylon, 5% Spandex. Lining: 95% Polyester, 5% Spandex. Machine wash. Imported.
- Regular length: 22.5" from shoulder.
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Like most of us going back green by trying to not usu chemicals and antibiotics and bad things that are hurting our enviroment and have gotten Mother Earth in an Up Roar.
We are loosing valuable Wildlife and animals that may never be here again EVER if we do not change our ways and go back to doing things like they used to which worked. Otherwise there will be no more MOTHER EARTH for our kids grandkids to have. Sorry I had to say this as a new person a Vet Tech and A Wildlife Conservationist
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What's New Wednesday: April 24
Here's what Amber and I have our eyes on this week:
Clinique, Moisture Surge CC Cream Hydrating Colour Corrector Broad Spectrum SPF30
"Sure they're all the rage and now I understand why these color-correcting formulas are getting so much love—flawless results in a single step. This oil-free cream blends effortlessly for an airbrushed effect, dulling redness and blemishes. I came out of the pool looking splotchy and left the locker room feeling pretty, rehydrated, and protected from the sun."
Sephora Collection, Artist Color Box Makeup Palette
"This palette is a major attention getter—promising to impress with size and color. The range of shadows, liners, and lip glosses offer all kinds of options, from peacock-colored lids to allover bronze and perfectly pink lips. The palette's design makes it easy to identify complementary shades and fully encourages experimentation. Time to play!"
See it swatched on The Swatch Board>http://seph.me/YMtQVV
Bond No. 9, I LOVE NEW YORK for Mothers
Mother's Day Gift Alert!
Do you love New York? Does your mother love New York? Do you love your mother? Then we're done here, easy peasy (you're welcome). In all seriousness, this smells fantastic, and the bottle is super-chic.
What is new on the site that you're dying to try? Show & Tell in the comments!
See what's new: http://seph.me/13cr5Ez
I haven't tried a CC cream yet....still haven't found a holy grail BB cream actually....I think I'm just going to stick to TM.
@sephoramusthave - I feel you! But I think the hunt is half the fun. I actually mix my Smashbox BB with my NARS TM. Gives me a little more coverage and the two colors together matches my skin tone perfectly.
Those Bond No 9 perfumes are amazing and there are SO many of them!
The CC cream that I'm curious about is actually for the hair, Alterna's new Caviar CC Cream. It provides moisture, shine, smoothness, softness, anti-breakage, heat protection, hold, strength, UV protection, and makes hair more manageable. That's a whole lot of benefits.
Since summer is just weeks away I've been on the prowl for some new palettes. The Tarte Aqualillies palette keeps jumping out at me, it's a nice neutral palette with a few pops of color. I was curious about what the whole 'Aqualillies' thing was all about, turns out they're a synchronized swim team that do shows for entertainment purposes. Hints why the palette is completely waterproof!
So much good stuff! I can't wait to try the new Ciate Chalkboard Manicure. It looks like so much fun
I love those picks!! Janine - a CC cream for hair is sort of brilliant, and all of the Aqualillies stuff is sooo pretty.
Keely - CHALKBOARD! I've been stalking that around the office trying to get my hands (nails?) on it.
@KeelyBT and @CandaceBT I saw it yesterday in Union Street.... If I hadn't JUST got my nails done at a salon I would have put it on and tried it!! I was so sad to leave it there haha.
I actually am intrigued by this CC Cream for hair that Janine posted- at this point any kind of hair nourishment sounds great since my hair is confused by the weather!
I'd like to try the new Mattifying Moisturizer Sunscreen. My skin is combination and I really need to work on the sun protection
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Tuesday August 6th, 2013 1:05am
ILGear.com made yet another trip to Canada this past weekend for the 2012 Minto Cup, the Canadian Lacrosse Association's Junior A box lacrosse championships, which were held in Whitby, Ontario, at the Iroquois Park Sports Centre.
It was a great display of lacrosse the way its played north of the border: fast, intense and extremely physical, with the players going at each other for the entire 60 minutes of play. In the end, it was the Orangeville Northmen taking the program's third Minto Cup in the last five summers, with a 9-4 victory over the Coquitlam Adanacs of the British Columbia Lacrosse Association. That win sealed the best-of-three series for the Northmen, who defeated the Adanacs the night before 19-6 in a rout.
Check out what we saw, as well as several video interviews with some of the notable members of the Orangeville roster, including Jeremy Noble (Denver), Dillon Ward (Bellarmine), Brandon Benn (Johns Hopkins) and head coach Matt Sawyer.
The Iroquois Park Sports Centre was a festival of lacrosse all week long.
Outside shot of the arena.
Whitby and sevaral other organizations, including the Toronto Rock, also played host to the Ontario Lacrosse Festival in early August.
The Canadian Lacrosse Association had a big presence at the Minto Cup.
There's a TON of cool memorabilia from the various teams that call the Iroquois Park Sports Centre home, including the Jr. B Clarington Green Gaels (formerly the Oshawa Green Gaels.
Tons of love for the Brooklyn Redmen of the Ontario Lacrosse Association's Major Series on display.
Love this box-pinched STX Hi-Wall
Really love this older woody, which has a very long face like some of the older sticks I've seen around.
Pretty cool to be in the rink where Joe Nieuwendyk, long-time NHL star and current manager of the Dallas Stars, cut his teeth. Nieuwendyk is the namesake of the OLA's Junior A rookie of the year award.
Adam Foote (above), and Mike Keenan (below), second-cousin of Derek Keenan, the head coach of the Edmonton Rush. Mike is a former NHL player and coach.
Whitby youth lacrosse jersey on display.
This display honors former Brooklyn standout Scott McMichael, who passed away in 1996.
Lots of Minto Cup apparel on sale during the event.
The Whitby Warriors, hosts of the event, were knocked off in a shocker by the Coquitlam Adanacs.
The Toronto Rock were on hand, raffling off some custom team goodies.
The night of the finals, Colin Doyle was playing with the Six Nations Chiefs in the Major Series finals against the Peterborough Lakers.
Orangeville getting ready to battle.
Coquitlam ready to roll.
Didn't take long for the teams to get after one another. 30 penalty minutes were doled out at the 15-minute mark of the first period after Coquitlam's Reid Reinholdt collided with Orangeville netminder Dillon Ward, igniting players on both sides.
A mostly pro-Orangeville crowd was on hand.
Proud little Orangeville fan rocking some custom Under Armour swag. Love that hat.
There were still a few proud Adanacs supporters in the crowd.
This friendly Adanacs fan follows ILGear.com on Twitter. Do you?
Young, enthusiastic Orangeville fans.
Matt Sawyer's kids were decked out in Northmen apparel.
Lax rats, mostly Orangeville fans. Cuse fan getting the bunny ear treatment.
Period 3 face-off.
Lots of memories in this arena, as Whitby's Junior A program has had plenty of success over the years.
Really dig this old banner. Older than I am.
Don't forget all the glory Whitby's hockey teams have had over the years.
Behold: the Minto Cup.
CLA's medals for the winners.
The Jim Bishop Award, presented to the player in the Minto Cup tourney displaying the qualities of leadership, sportsmanship and outstanding play. This hardware went to Jeremy Noble.
Orangeville fans celebrating, with the Horn Heads flag flying high.
Orangeville's captain, Jeremy Noble (also a member of the Denver Pioneers), begins the celebration for the Northmen.
Coquitlam stood by as the Minto Cup was presented.
Sweet floor decal.
Orangeville dons their Minto Cup winners' hats and awaits the trophy.
Good look at the team's jerseys here.
Jeremy Noble poses with Joey Harris, president of the CLA, with the Jim Bishop Award.
Dillon Ward was honored with the MVP ring after making 30 saves in the 9-4 win, but he was outstanding throughout the entire Minto Cup tournament. Ward is also the starting netminder at Bellarmine University.
Rob Hellyer, who's also a member of the NLL's Toronto Rock, was honored after the game. He put up two goals and an assist in the win.
Reid Reinholdt, brother of Limestone standout Tor, was named the Adanacs MVP.
The Adanacs shake hands with Orangeville. Number 3 is Jeff Cornwall, who plays for the Buffalo Bandits in the NLL.
The Northmen shaking hands with Coquitlam. Number 15 is Brandon Benn (Johns Hopkins), who scored two goals in the win.
Good look at the back of the Coquitlam sweaters.
Love hats. The Orangemen were given these Minto Cup 2012 winners' hats, made by New Era.
Jeremy Noble was the first to hoist the Minto Cup trophy. Jeremy said the team played knowing that the late Ryan and Chris Sanderson, Orangeville natives, were looking down on them. He said the victory was dedicated to the Sandersons and the rest of the Orangeville community.
Trophy making its way around the team for a victory whoop and smooch. Bradley Kri hollers in triumph.
Ian Mackay, headed to the University of Vermont for the 2013 NCAA season, plants one on the Minto Cup.
Orangeville's custom Under Armour Player gloves with the team's logo embroidered on the cuff.
Orangeville has traditionally had a simple black helmet. This is a Nike/Bauer lid from a while back.
Here's Dillon Ward's custom Cascade CPX-R lid. See the JK45 decal, honoring the memory of former Hill Academy student-athlete Jamieson Kuhlmann.
Dillon Ward's equipment, a Gait Guard box goalie head, and gloves from Eagle.
Ward is interviewed by ILIndoor.com's Stephen Stamp, one tall dude at something like 6-9.
Jordan Dance and Bradley Kri with the Northmen flag.
The Noble brothers, Jason (Cornell) and Jeremy (Denver).
Jeremy Noble handed his stick, a Warrior Noz, to Paul Stewart's 9-year-old son Mase after the game.
Orangeville head coach Matt Sawyer and his family after the game, with the Minto Cup.
The Orangeville coaching staff was all smiles after the Northmen captured the program's third Minto Cup title in the previous five seasons.
Congrats to the Orangeville Northmen, the 2012 Minto Cup champions.
You can read the full report from the Minto Cup championship on ILIndoor.com. There's also a nice collection of action shots that you can see here.
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Rader, Fishman & Grauer PLLC Contributes $42,000 to Fund Endowed Scholarship to Students Interested in Intellectual Property
|Pictured from left to right in the attached photo are Michael Stewart, a founding member of Rader, Fishman & Grauer PLLC, Wayne State University Law School Associate Director of Advancement and Alumni Relations Angie Zelenak, Wayne State University Law School Dean Frank H. Wu and Michael Fishman, a founding member of Rader, Fishman & Grauer PLLC and a 1981 graduate of Wayne State University Law School.
DETROIT (Sep10, 2007) – Wayne State University Law School recently received a $42,000 gift from Rader, Fishman & Grauer PLLC to support an endowed scholarship to be awarded to Law School students interested in intellectual property and patent law.
"I would like to thank Rader, Fishman & Grauer for their generous contribution on behalf of the Law School," said Law School Dean Frank H. Wu. "Due to the recent rapid pace of technological change, intellectual property law will only continue to grow in the future. The generous endowed gift from Rader, Fishman & Grauer will greatly assist those students who are seeking a career in that area – both now and for many years to come."
The Rader, Fishman & Grauer Endowed Scholarship will annually recognize academic achievement and provide financial assistance toward a law school education in intellectual property law. Not only will the scholarship help to recruit more students, but it will also greatly increase the number of high quality practitioners entering the Metropolitan Detroit legal community.
"It is our pleasure to support the students at Wayne State University Law School," said Michael Fishman, a founding member of Rader, Fishman & Grauer PLLC and a 1981 graduate of Wayne State University Law School. "It is important for our firm, Wayne State University Law School and the community as a whole that we continue to work together to provide greater opportunities for students in up-and-coming areas of the law such as intellectual property."
Signs of the increasing importance of intellectual property and patent law at the Law School are abundant. More students are choosing to study intellectual property and patent law and more Wayne State Law School graduates are becoming experts in the field. The Wayne State University Law School faculty is internationally known for its expertise in intellectual property law and continues to improve upon and share expertise with students and the legal community by publishing books, journals or articles in a variety of legal outlets.
According to WSU Law School Professor Jonathan Weinberg, intellectual property law regulates the use of inventions, trade symbols, information and ideas. "The subject matter of intellectual property law ranges from music to brand names to pharmaceuticals," said Professor Weinberg. "As ideas and information have increasingly become the stuff of modern commerce, intellectual property law has taken on increasing importance in modern society."
Wayne State offers a broad range of courses for students interested in intellectual property, starting with basic courses in the traditional doctrinal areas of patents, copyrights, and trademarks. Advanced classes build on that material to consider such matters as digital copyright, international intellectual property law, and the challenges involved in "prosecuting" a patent from initial application to completion.
Rader, Fishman & Grauer is a leading intellectual property law firm, consistently ranking in the top 10 percent in the number of new patents and trademarks nationwide (IP Today). The firm is a leader in intellectual property litigation and operates its own state-of-the-art, high-tech courtroom. Its practice is limited exclusively to patents, trademarks, copyrights, trade secrets and associated litigation, licensing, freedom-to-use opinions and due diligence investigations. Rader, Fishman & Grauer provides intellectual property legal counsel and services in 220 countries from offices in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan; Washington, D.C.; Salt Lake City and Tokyo. For more information, go to www.raderfishman.com.
Wayne State University Law School has served Michigan and beyond since its inception as Detroit City Law School in 1927. Located in Detroit's re-energized historic cultural center, the Law School remains committed to student success and features modern lecture and court facilities, multi-media classrooms, a 250-seat auditorium, and the Arthur Neef Law Library, which houses one of the nation's 30 largest legal collections. Taught by an internationally recognized faculty, Wayne State Law School students experience a high-quality legal education via a growing array of hands-on curricular offerings, five live-client clinics, and access to well over 100 internships with local and non-profit entities each year. Its 11,000 living alumni, who work in every state of the nation and more than a dozen foreign countries, include leading members of the local, national and international legal communities. For more information, visit www.law.wayne.edu


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DAVID MILNEAffiliation:
Twin Cities Saxophonist, Minneapolis/St Paul MN, USA
University of Wisconsin at River Falls, Professor of Saxophone and Jazz Studies
Music Department Chair
ANCIA Saxophone Quartet, tenor saxophone.
JAZZAX Saxophone Quartet, soprano/alto saxophone.
The X-tet, alto/soprano/flute/bass clarinet.
Artist's BiographySaxophonist and multi-instrumentalist David Milne is an accomplished and versatile performer, composer, and arranger in musical settings ranging from creative jazz, modern big band, and progressive popular styles to symphonic/orchestral, chamber music, and contemporary classical styles. Originally from Rochester NY, he earned a DMA in Saxophone Performance at the Eastman School of Music, an MM in Woodwind Performance and a BA in Music from the Indiana University School of Music. He serves as Professor of Music and Chair of the Music Programs at the University of Wisconsin-River Falls, where he teaches applied saxophone, directs the UW-River Falls Jazz Ensembles, and teaches jazz-related courses. David Milne is a Conn-Selmer Saxophone Artist-Clinician.
David Milne has performed with the Minnesota Orchestra, Saint Paul Chamber Orchestra, Minnesota Opera, Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra, JazzMN Big Band, Phil Woods, Doc Severinsen, Gordon Goodwin, Bob Florence, Rob McConnell, Bob Mintzer, Bobby McFerrin, Ray Charles, Jack McDuff, Lou Rawls, Ernestine Anderson, Terry Gibbs, Smokey Robinson, and the Nelson Riddle Orchestra, among others. Dedicated to the performance of new music, he has fostered, commissioned, and premiered dozens of works for saxophone quartet and chamber music ensembles with The Ancia Saxophone Quartet, The JAZZAX Saxophone Quartet, and the contemporary music ensemble Zeitgeist. As a performer, he has received awards, grants, and commissions for new works from The American Composers Forum, The Jerome Foundation, THE Commission Project, and Downbeat jazz journal. His compositions for saxophone ensembles have been performed at the North American Saxophone Alliance and World Saxophone Congress conventions. David's compositions for saxophone ensemble and jazz ensemble are published by Really Good Music LLC and BIT Musikverlag, Berlin, Germany.
At UW-River Falls, David Milne teaches Applied Saxophone, directs the UW-River Falls Jazz Ensembles, and teaches jazz-related courses. In addition, he has taught master classes and workshops at the Eastman School of Music, Indiana University School of Music, MacPhail Center for Music, McNally Smith College of Music, Shell Lake Arts Center, Norwich Center for Arts and Education (UK), Minnesota All-State Jazz Ensemble, and at high schools and colleges throughout the US. He was an artist teacher from 1996-2002 at the Frei Kunst Schule Summer Jazz Workshop in Berlin, Germany. David is a Selmer Saxophone Artist-Clinician, and his performances and educational appearances are supported in part by the Conn-Selmer Company.
Artist's InfluencesSaxophone study (DMA) at the Eastman School of Music with Dr. Ramon Ricker, Senior Associate Dean for Professional Studies, Professor of Saxophone
Director, Institute for Music Leadership.
Saxophone study (BA and MM), with Dr. Eugene Rousseau, Distinguished Professor Emeritus at Indiana University School of Music
Jazz studies at the Eastman School of Music with Fred Sturm, Bill Dobbins.
Jazz Studies at the Indiana University School of Music with David Baker, Dominic Spera.
Dr. Roger Eckers, Conn-Selmer Saxophone Artist colleague, a wonderful saxophonist and teacher, first saxophone mentor in my early years.


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Apologies to the O.P. I should have at least answered the question instead of helping the thread go further off topic!
The Chesapeake Bay in November ...
November is cold, but it isn't bitter cold, usually, but it is more than just light jacket cold. I guess you'd say it is coat cold, but not coat, hat, scarf, sweater, and long underwear cold. And better protection if you are going to be getting splashed with water of course.
I don't think you want to spend a November night on the Bay without heat, it is too cold for that, though if you don't mind roughing it then a sleeping bag and some blankets piled on would probably be enough to sleep.
It is very windy in November, the winds actually decrease as you near and pass the Solstice before they pick back up in February, and late autumn winds are gusty and not steady winds like they are in the winter months. December and January is usually a kind of quiet frost-sparkled wonderland around the Bay with periods of high steady winds that don't have (m)any wind breaks to stop them from sweeping through anchorages, but it isn't nearly as breezy or gusty as October and November. When it does blow in the depths of winter, however, it really blows.
The real threat of snow is in late February through early March, you would be very lucky to see a snow of any depth in November or even December. Ice storms are always more of a concern than snow.
Water in October is cold, in November is enough for exposure and hypothermia, and by January and February is rather painful. Fresh water freezes do sometimes happen in November, more often in December, and very often in January and early February with periods of thaw - the ground is equally frozen at those times, with periods of thaw/mud and crunchy ground alternating sometimes on a daily basis from noon to night. During these depths of winter you usually get wind for periods of days and calm for longer periods, and you usually get frozen fresh water for days in a row as well determined by whatever air mass is in the area.
By late winter the sun is warmer on your face and you can expect crocus and early daffodils by mid-February in patches, but the grass doesn't green up until March and April.
Hope that helps.
Edit - I'd start crossing the Potomac in the morning, it isn't a very fun intersection to be in at night, and there aren't (m)any good places to anchor for some distance on either side of the Potomac.
|Personally I think boater poop is the least of the bay's problems.
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Now if they'd start going after all the liveaboards and cruisers who don't pump out. That's something I might be able to get behind.
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But if I had my druthers I'd be going after chicken farms and fertilizer runoff first.
|I am with you Scott.....get the dumpers who are poluting the Bay.
I like it when the law goes after the guys who are really causing the problems Seafood Wholesaler, Owner Sentenced in Illegal Rock Fish Conspiracy - Southern Maryland Headline News
Still $250 is pretty expensive for enjoying some fresh fish on your own boat. But I've paid more for worse meals.
Now if they'd start going after all the liveaboards and cruisers who don't pump out. That's something I might be able to get behind.
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|I hate to stick up for the law but rember we almost lost all the rockfish population before. Thanks to regulations we are all able to still enjoy Trophy Season. Keep your lures on the bottom in november and good luck.
A similar story to Chefs...
My uncle was crabbing, while on the hook in the Wye. The DNR came for a peak. They had been keeping everything, then they would pick out the small, illegal catch and throw them back...unfortunatley the DNR thought differently and they were fined $250.00
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Fortunately, it seems I catch spot, croaker, and blues.
Yes, I do understand. It just "feels" that way.
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actually, it's not ... legally, not even close ... fwiw (I'll spare you the legalese details). but it would be annoying.
Nearly was the wrong word. I only meant it is not straight forward "pull over, your driving too fast" and it should have been. To me the fillet rule is a safety net to catch those that would clean them on the way to the dock. Silly.
If you have a problem with someone, you either tell them, or you don't. He was waiting for more infractions, which he got, if in fact the fish were undersize in the first place. I wonder if he just knows he can always bag a sailor on that one. Like a cruiser was going to even compare with the habitual illegal fishing that abounds.
I guess I will keep taking my chances, because I'll be damned if I'm going to take fish home so I can eat them days later. Fortunately, it seems I catch spot, croaker, and blues.
I think the dnr guy would pretty much have to don some scuba gear and place some undersized fish on the line for it to be entrapment. Although it sounds like if the sailors had kept the fish carcasses instead of dumping them overboard, they could have proved the fish were of size.
Maybe that's the lesson to be learned. Keep the stinky carcasses aboard until you dock. Still Chef Dave's story sounds like a waste of the government and a taxpayer/sailor's time and money. Seems like the dnr ought to have better things to do with their time.
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Wasnt Tate left off the combine invite list, didnt see his name on it.
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Something tells me that the Ravens are going to draft either Minter or T'eo in the first round, and might move up to do it if need be.
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I'd be okay with either. Minter is just such a stud IMO. I know Matt Elam is an attractive player, but I think we can find players in the 2nd round more comparable to Elam in the 2nd round with guys like Rambo, Jefferson, and Reid. There is no Minter in the 2nd round.
Like I said earlier, Minter might be one of the top 15 players in this draft, but he's undervalued given his position and the presence of some other guys like Ogletree and Teo. He is a 3 down player and him and Ellerbe in coverage would be formidable.
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I'm gonna toss up a very quick version of my own, not to take any thunder away from the OP but just to present a competing version.
QB - Joe Flacco, Tyrod Taylor (2)
RB - Ray Rice, Bernard Pierce, Anthony Allen (3)
FB/HB - Kyle Juszczyk (R) (1)
TE - Dennis Pitta, Gavin Escobar (R), John Phillips (FA signing from Dallas) (3)
WR - Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith, Tandon Doss, Jacoby Jones, Tommy Streeter, Josh Boyce (R) (6)
LT - Bryant McKinnie, David Quessenberry (2)
LG - Kelechi Osemele, Jah Reid (2)
C - Gino Gradkowski, Joe Madsen (2)
RG - Marshal Yanda, Joe Madsen (1)
RT - Michael Oher, Jack Cornell (2)
DE - Arthur Jones, Pernell McPhee (2)
NT - Brandon Williams (R), Terrence Cody (2)
DT/DE - Haloti Ngata, DeAngelo Tyson (2)
RUSH - Terrell Suggs, Rob Jackson (FA signing from Redskins), Albert McClellan (3)
MIKE - Kevin Minter (R), Josh Bynes (2)
WILL - Dannell Ellerbe, Spencer Adkins, Nigell Carr (3)
SAM - Courtney Upshaw, Travis Long (R) (2)
RCB - Jimmy Smith/Corey Graham, Alan Ball (FA signing from Texans) (3)
LCB - Lardarius Webb, Chykie Brown, Asa Jackson (3)
SS - Bernard Pollard, Christian Thompson (2)
FS - Ed Reed, Earl Wolff (R) (2)
Specialists: K - Justin Tucker P - Sam Koch LS - Morgan Cox KR/PR - Jacoby Jones (3)
Practice Squad: FS Omar Brown, DT/DE Bryan Hall, G Antoine McClain, G/C Reggie Stephens, DE/OLB Adrian Hamilton, RB Bobby Rainey, WR LaQuan Williams, DE/OLB Michael McAdoo
Joe Flacco's new deal is done by the open of free agency on March 4th. Boldin and Jacoby are both extended and restructured. Dannell Ellerbe, Bryant McKinnie, and Ed Reed are all re-signed. Ed Dickson is traded for a 5th round pick. Leach, McClain, B. Williams, and Birk are cut. Kruger, Cary, and all our other FAs are allowed to walk. Other free agent signings are Alan Ball from the Texans, John Phillips from the Cowboys, and Rob Jackson from the Redskins.
Draft day trades: 3rd and (Dickson) 5th to move up in the 3rd for Escobar; 4th, 6th, and 7th to move up in the 4th for Quessenberry.
Draft picks: 1) Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU; 2) Brandon Williams, NT/DT, Missouri Southern 3) (trade up) Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego State 4) (trade up) David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State 4) (compensatory) Travis Long, DE/OLB, Washington State 5) Earl Wolff, S, NC State 5)(compensatory) Kyle Juszczyk, FB/TE/HB, Harvard 6) (compensatory) Josh Boyce, WR, TCU 7) (compensatory) Joe Madsen, G/C, WVU


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Our first visit to Paradise Point was some 40 years ago. Vacation Village, as it was known then, was recommended to use by one of our close friends. Our family fell in love with our new vacation spot. We have since returned on well over 20 different occasions with our now three adult children, eight grandchildren, and many friends. We took our children there some 13 years straight. It was always their first choice for a vacation spot.
Over the years, our favorite memories of taking our young children to the resort included riding the quadracycle surreys, motor rafting around Mission Bay, teaching my son to fish off the dock, splashing and swimming in each of the pools, our children's love of toasting marshmallows, and barbecueing at the beach as the sun set. Another favorite memory, later in life at age 37, is when I received my first (and only) Polynesian dance lesson. I was talked into getting on stage at the Barefoot Bar.
12 years ago my now son-in-law drove 130 miles with my daughter to the resort, climbed the winding steps of the tower, and proposed to her. He wanted to choose a location that would have special meaning to her, and he couldn't have picked a better spot.
We have now passed the Paradise Point baton over to our grown children, who enjoy watching their own children enjoy the island in the same way as we did with them when they were little. However, my wife and I still find our own time to return to the resort that means so much to us.
On my 65th birthday, my wife surprised me with a trip to Paradise Ppoint. I still remember when we were sitting in one of the gazebo's along the main lagoon when she said, "We are back home." I couldn't have agreed more.
Me, my son, & daughters (1982) My son, wife, me, & my granddaughter (2005)


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Very clean lookin combo. And nice shots to boot... what sort of camera are you using if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks for sharing.
Its a little Lumix 10 megapixel point and shoot. Nothing fancy. But for a small pocket sized camera, it does pretty well.
That is a beautiful weapon.....I freakin love it!
Niiice!! Is this a new purchase, or have you had it for awhile? I saw one that looked a lot like that in the used section of Bud's last week and somebody snatched it up pretty quickly.
A little while. Purchased locally. There's a decent following for CZ pistols in the Northwest. But most people get compacts. I had a compact a while back, and didn't like it anywhere near as much as the full sized.
They gave this one some TLC at the factory. The trigger is really good, and as you can see, the polishing is really well done.
Shoots like a laser. CZ makes a damn fine pstol these days.
Are you going to be afraid to take it out and shoot it? What about that first scratch?
If he got it looking that good he can fix a scratch I would imagine. Guns need to be shot and scratches happen.
I found my first cz at a gunshow in 1997 a two tone 75b i put hogue finger grooves on it feels great and after many years of enjoying it never even a hiccup. But its cousin a matte s/s 75b sure is nice too..thanks for the photos great photography..i sure am happy to find this forum on all our country's wonderful variety of firearms..David
I never cared for bright finishes. They mark up to easily and are too visible. I do like the black CZ coating. My 75B has that and it seems impervious to the elements.
Wow .. that's a beautiful CZ, and looks like quality work. I had two CZ's, the 75b stainless and a 75D PO1. Both were great pistols with excellent accuracy. I stll beleive CZ does not receive enough credit, because they make an oustanding line of pistols ........
Everyytime this thread shows up on the whats new list, I have to look at it. I can't see that gun too many times. It is so nice looking and the handles add a touch of class to it!!
Beautiful gun.
I love it's lines
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..hi guys, :jango
well my upgrades come slower than i want to date.
until i 'll tailor a new vest, im thinking my shoulder armor could be longer or something etc.....
what do u think ¿
i'll thank u for ur proposals !!! :thumbup
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..hi guys, :jango
well my upgrades come slower than i want to date.
until i 'll tailor a new vest, im thinking my shoulder armor could be longer or something etc.....
what do u think ¿
i'll thank u for ur proposals !!! :thumbup
looks nice! and the shoulders look okay to me.
Here is a pic of the real thing. Looks like you need to do what I did, trim you bells to match your vest.
The problem is that your shoulder pieces on your vest aren't wide enough. If they were about 1"-1 1/2" wider on each side where they meet the vest, your shoulder armor would sit more accurately. I would take WOF templates to your shoulder armor to make sure they are approximately the right size and shape for your height, and if so keep them that way. Then if it's possible, have the person who made the vest replace the current shoulder pieces with pieces that are wider. If not, then just be sure to make the shoulder pieces wider on your next vest.:thumbsup
The rest of the suit looks really good.:thumbsup The leather pieces look great...but I always pay to much attention to the leather pieces.;)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I see the velcro neck on the suit and some things on the vest that I recognize. Is that SGB stuff? If so, I had no problems with his stuff fitting properly, The bells might be too big. Line them up to WOF and make sure. If the vest isn't the right size I'd see if he'd fix it for you. SGB is great on customer service, IF that's his vest.
Hey Jango Newbie, I'll bet you lunch at Chili's in Fresno, when we do that VC Hospital visit, it's not a SGB vest.:lol
Did you order that jp yet?
MMMMMMMMMMMMM, let me think.........If you want to bet, you probably have some first hand knowlege that it is not. I'll have to pass, thanks anyway. I'll buy ya lunch anyway, just cause your a nice guy and willing to give me your jet pack.....:lol right????
about the west....
im not really satisfied with my first armor. so i have made a new set. the armor is attached by velcro. it would be more complex to put off the velcro and add new ;) therefore a new vest....
WoF -----> Wizard of Flight
SGB ----->I don't know
If you haven't already done so, be sure to use Wizard of Flight's (WOF) Jango armor templates for your height. Using his templates will allow you to get very accurately shaped armor.:thumbsup
Gooooooooooooooooooood!!! It has very good looks, a lot of luck;)
Regards Kaane:jango
Now that's a BEAUTIFUL set of new armor!
Looks great!
...And yeah, I thought the construction on those holsters looked familiar. I believe you are the first person to buy a pair second hand.:lol If something ever goes wrong with them because of the construction, let me know and I'll fix em for free...I guarantee all my craftmanship.
As for SEEKER's ammo belt, you've got Top-Notch craftmanship there and it doesn't get any better than that!:thumbsup
If it were me, I'd put all the new armor on with black Line 21 snaps from Tandy. It's what we did to Jango Newbie's armor and SGB vest, but it does take a little work and time and a buddy.:thumbsup
..thx cruzer,
yeah its a pleasure for me wearing these works of craftmanship. my first holster was from SFP (i think). yours r much better. they suits fine.
"...black Line 21 snaps from Tandy..." i will think abou it ;)
@kane etc... thanks for ur kind words!


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Money from Obeid family interests in a coal-rich area of the NSW Hunter Valley was used to acquire a new Mercedes Benz car for former Labor minister Eddie Obeid, a corruption inquiry has heard.
The Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) is probing whether former Labor minister Ian Macdonald rigged a 2008 tender process for coal exploration licences in the Bylong Valley, and if Eddie Obeid profited from it.
Giving evidence on Wednesday, Hassam Achie, Eddie Obeid's son-in-law, conceded to ICAC funds from Obeid interests in the critical Mount Penny tenement were put towards the new Mercedes, worth $400,000.
"Did you know that Eddie Obeid Senior bought a brand spanking new Mercedes?" counsel assisting the commissioner, Geoffrey Watson, SC, asked.
"That was actually leased," Mr Achie replied.
"Did you know that the money came out of the money from the sale of shares in Mt Penny?" Mr Watson then asked.
"Some money got put towards the car, yes," Mr Achie replied.
Mr Watson suggested money from Mt Penny was also used to buy Eddie Obeid's wife Judith a property in the Sydney suburb of Woolwich.
Mr Achie said it was possible money was used for that purpose but said he could not be sure.
The inquiry was told $15 million from an investment in the Bylong Valley was paid into Obeid family accounts.
Mr Achie conceded he didn't know much about the payments, despite being the trustee of the company receiving the funds.
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Mr Achie, who is married to Eddie Obeid's daughter Fiona, told the inquiry he earns $55,000 per year as financial controller for the Obeids.
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"That sounds like quite a burden to take on a salary of $55,000 a year," Mr Watson suggested to the witness.
Mr Achie said the money had been lent by Obeid corporation to Fiona "in lieu of distributions" from family trust accounts.
He later denied he was a front for the family but conceded he did "not have any independent authority to make a decision".
Earlier, accountant John Campo told ICAC Paul Obeid, one of Eddie Obeid's sons, told him to give false answers to Sydney Morning Herald journalist Anne Davies, who was investigating the family's involvement in the Bylong Valley in May 2010.
Mr Campo said Paul Obeid sent him an email which he used to respond to questions from Ms Davies as if they were his own answers.
Mr Campo said Paul Obeid told him "'look as far as the newspapers are concerned just write this', which I wrote".
In his evidence, Obeid associate Andrew Kaidbay, who has acted as trustee for an entity related to the family, said he couldn't remember disobeying the Obeids.
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Wheres a good place to get sintra thats not online?
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I buy my sintra at plastic supply stores locally. Check your phone book.
I get mine from a shop that makes political yard signs and the like
alright thanks. maybe ill even get some political yard signs and salvage them ;)
the corrogates kind aren't very condusive to this kind of thing because they won't bend. If you only want them for pieces that will stay straight they're ok, but they wouldn't work for something like chest armor
I salvaged some large 3mm sintra pieces from a local sign shop. They make all kinds of signs from all kinds of different materials, so I got some of their scrap for free. 8) All I did was call around to a few sign shops before I found one that had free sintra scraps. These are large, like 4' x 4' or something. The largest size piece I would need was something big enough tto make the back armor plate with. No problem there. I still have three big sheets even after all my mistakes.
Just my two cents worth on this subject: I'd use the thick 3mm stuff for the body armor and the THINNER stuff for the helmet if you're scratch-building. There are more curves and cuts on the helmet templates and the thinner stuff is much more forgiving when you cutting it.
BTW, I'd really suggest making a test version out of chipboard, newspaper board (thin stuff, not corrugated cardboard) before you start cutting and using up your sintra. I learned a lot the hard way. :lol
Don't be shy about posting progress pix as you go.
Well I made a quick set of chest armor out of a Trash can for Snow Week at my school. wasnt very good... at all. in fact the only way any one knew who i was was when i was wearing the helmet...which had no visor. Its a crappy helmet i got from disney world. there was a forum all about it a while back. Ill look around for some sign stores here. If they let me take scraps for free... ill probably take alot. I have a few friends that want to make a set with me, and one that ones to make a leia bikini ;) thanks for the input. pics will be up once the project is started


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Two get jail term for artifacts offense
October 21, 2012
Two Southwest Colorado residents received short jail sentences Thursday for disturbing a burial site while hiking with a seniors' group last year in Canyons of the Ancients National Monument.
The incident occurred May 7, 2011, in an area called Pedro Point, on Bureau of Land Management land north of Cortez.
Howard H. Drake, 76, of Silverton, was sentenced to 10 days in jail for picking up a human skull and showing it to a group of hikers.
Harry Hance, 81, of Montezuma County, was sentenced to three days in jail for helping organize the hikes.
They were facing a maximum of one year in jail for the misdemeanor charge.
Both men were handcuffed and led out of the courtroom to immediately begin serving their sentences. Magistrate David L. West oversaw the hearing.
Both were taking part in a hike with Seniors Outdoors!, a social club for active adults age 50 and older.
On at least three occasions, Drake and Hance led seniors on a four- or five-hour hike to view archaeological sites that culminated with a visit to a shallow grave where a skull was exposed.
An undercover officer with the BLM attended the hike in May 2011 and asked to see the skull.
Drake laid on the ground and dug up the skull using his hands and a stick and showed it to the group of four people, according to an arrest affidavit.
Drake said he would pick up the skull and show it to the group while discussing the ancient culture. He didn't realize that by touching it and picking it up, it was considered excavating and removing under federal law, said his lawyer, Anthony Edwards of Silverton.
He never damaged or stole anything from the site, Edwards said.
Drake apologized for anyone he offended.
"I'm of Native American ancestry, and I'm very sorry about this," he said through tears.
West asked Drake how many times he handled the skull and how he would feel if someone unburied and handled his mother's skull.
"I assume I would be very, very upset," he said. "I never thought about it."
Drake has a master's degree, a keen interest in science and was a lifelong teacher.
But he created his own set of rules to guide scientific discovery on public lands and "violated common decency," West said.
Hance served as a volunteer site steward for Canyons of the Ancients, monitoring ancestral Puebloan sites to make sure artifacts were not damaged or stolen.
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Isn't that exactly what the current commercial queen/package market tries to do though? A one size fits all bee instead of a bee that has been tried and tested in the local climate?
yes but i only count the beehives- ;) RDY-B
Well, Finski, now you know why so may American beekeepers always fall back on the line..."All beekeeping is local"...
I hope you dont spend all your belliberie money on spirit dropletes- :laugh: get back to your bees-they are the only thing to make you smile-leave the berries for the kids- 8-) RDY-B


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Ice near Six-Mile Island on Lake Winnipesaukee, just to the southeast of Center Harbor, taken by plane Tuesday morning. (COURTESY)
The remaining ice on Meredith Bay in a photo taken by Dave Emerson of Emerson Aviation Tuesday morning. (COURTESY)
Dave Emerson — of Emerson Aviation — the man who flies over the lake several times a day at this time of year to decide when Ice-out occurs, said there is some straggling ice that apparently doesn't want to give up on winter in Center Harbor.
Emerson declares Ice-out when he determines that the M.S. Mount Washington can make it to each of its five ports. The boat is docked in Center Harbor each winter.
The earliest ice-out recorded was in 2012 on March 23, narrowly beating out the previous record of March 24 from two years before. The latest it occurred was May 12, 1888.
"The call does not mean that the lake is entirely devoid of ice, nor does it mean that the Mount Washington actually does go to each of its ports. It simply means that it is believed that the ship could," Emerson said.
During a normal ice season, Emerson said, Center Harbor and Meredith Bay would be the first to lose ice.
Rain and wind that were in the forecast for Tuesday night were expected to wipe out the remaining ice sheets and chunks, Emerson said.
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Discussion in 'Fantasy Sports Central' started by jammertime, Aug 21, 2007.
.10 of a point. Are you freaking kidding me?!?!?!? I demand a recount!
those hurt. mostly because you bench the wrong guy.
Good luck today Darth. May the best man (me) win.
I pretty much realized my hopes were slim on Thursday. You had a good day and my only guy in the lineup didn't play. With Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush most likely out today, I don't see how I can possibly catch you. I think my guys will be back next week. Hopefully, I can get back on track at that point. I probably blew my bye shot, which I was hoping for because of some very poor upcoming matchups the first week of the playoffs. If I can somehow survive that, I like my chances. I think the championship will be up for grabs. Of the 7 teams competing for the 6 spots it's hard to pick for or against any of them. Also, one injury can change everything... Good luck to you too (meaning, I hope I miraculously win but that you don't get an injury)
How nice that Frank Gore decides to go for a season-high yardage when playing against me. Typical... Looks like Brady is going to have to bail me out. Meanwhile Fargas goes for 157 and a TD on my bench. Lovely.
I reeled off 7 straight losses.
I Ozark'd Ookie!!!! Ookie 90.44 Final Ozarkruffriders 93.34 I feel like the Jets that just beat the Steelers!
Kudos to the bottom feeders. Some big wins these last couple weeks. Good job playing the spoilers. Hey, if Jammer had scored 2/10 of a point more two weeks ago he would be virtually tied with Ookie for first (and in first alone by the tiebreaker...points). Instead he is in 4th place. My team...horrible these past two weeks. What a streaky team I have. But I'm not scoring. I could see a quick first round exit. Peterson won't be enough... Three teams at 6-6 fighting for the last two spots. They all lost last week due to upsets. TFD. You had a fast start, but I've seen it before. A team with incredible receivers wins the first few games & then goes in the dumps. I'm not sure why that happens. My experience in fantasy football (3 previous years) always shows the best team wins. Webz...is it finally time to shed the bridesmaid garb. My bet is Jammer & Webz in the finals. Good luck guys.
That's a nice win Oz. Congrats!!
Big matchup this week Jammer. The winner will have a great shot at taking 2nd place and the bye week. The loser could potentially slip to 4th. On paper this looks like it could be a slog for the ages. Yahoo is predicting less than 2 points in it, and scores in the 100+ area. QB - Brady vs Hasselbeck Brady has been solid gold all season but he only registered 1 TD pass last week to make him look human. Have defenses now figured out how to keep him relatively quiet? Hasselbeck has been strong the past few weeks but was that down to having a healthy D.J Hackett? Hackett is out for a couple of weeks, will it hurt him? (It hurts webz!) WR - Holt, Marshall, Gage vs Driver, Johnson, Ginn Jr Holt has been fairly disappointing this season and having Bulger out this week does not help. Marshall has been a very nice suprise sleeper and is the number 1 option in Denver, while Gage, a WW pickup last week has become Young's favourite (but limited) throwing target. Jammer rolls with Driver who has ammassed some very nice yardage recently but the touchdowns have been sparse. Johnson has only recently returned to action but has recorded at least 120 yards and a TD in 3 of 4 games this season. Ginn could be a difference maker this week with Miami's running game all but gone, they could be looking to throw. RB - Parker, Fargas vs Tomlinson, James Parker has been somewhat disappointing because he has only scored 2 TD's all season, but he is 2nd only to Peterson in total rushing yards. Will the Bengals be a scoring day? His last TD came against them. A difficult decision to go with Fargas over every-week starter McGahee who has scored a TD in each of the last 6 games. But Willis goes against NE this week while Fargas plays a susceptible Denver run defense and scored a TD and 157 yards last week. Will the change pay off? Jammer's boys are led by LT, who hasn't been the machine he was last season but last time he played KC in Week 4 he piled up 154 yards and a TD. You won't find a safer play. James' yardage hasn't been entirely spectacular but since Week 2 he has scored a TD every 'other' week. This week against CLE is his 'other' week. Expect a score. TE - Witten vs Winslow The number 2 and 3 ranked TE's go at it this week. Compare their stats; Witten 750 and 6, Winslow 874 and 5. webz and Jammer will be looking elsewhere for an advantage this week as both are in line for a big day against their relative opponents. K - Crosby vs Gostkowski 2 top line kickers should pretty much cancel each other out here. DEF - Steelers vs Packers This could be an interesting matchup. The Steelers D has been quite disappointing the 2 weeks prior to last weeks mud-fest and play a Bengals team that can definitely score. Meanwhile Jammer's Packers play a high octane offense in the Cowboys. With Favre and Romo going head to head, Jammer will not want this turning into a shootout. Man the best man win! PS - this is of course assuming you have finished setting your lineup Jammer. lol!
Great analysis Webz! I had thought about picking up a defence just for this week, since I didn't like the Packer match-up against my Cowboys, but decided against it. Dance with the one that brought ya! I did just pick up Tampa as backup for the playoffs though, since I've been carrying an extra WR and Hester has been injured/ineffective for weeks. Holmes has put up some nice numbers for me, but he has also missed 3 games, including this week's match-up and as you mentioned, Johnson has missed most of the season - 7 weeks total. Best of luck mate! Hope you finish .10 points behind me!
I think you meant Cowboys defense for Jammer. I drafted the Packers in the 12th round and have kept them since. It turned out to be a great pick, since the Green Bay defense has been one of the most consistent D in the entire league. As I looked back at my draft, more than half of my players (8 of 15) from draft day are now gone from my roster. How does that compare to other teams?
I just checked. 9 of 15 originals remain on my roster. Everyone gone was chosen eighth or lower.
4 of my originals have since been dropped. My 8th, 11th, 13th and 14th rounders.
Yep, my bad. Not much difference in analysis I would say though. I've still got 10 of my original 15 including 9 of my first 10 picks. I thought I drafted pretty well at the time, and a couple of guys who were borderline at draft time have played very well (Witten, Marshall)
I decided to give my Packers Defense the week off. I didn't like the matchup playing at Dallas. The Cowboys have put up 27 points already in the 2nd quarter. Seems like a good move. We'll see how my new defense (Redskins) fares this weekend. It certainly will be an emotional day for the team.
T.O. has put up HUGE numbers since you traded him to my son.
Dallas gets extra fantasy points for knocking Favre out of the game right?
Woody may have locked up a playoff spot with that injury. His opponent this week (Oz) has Favre at QB. It's hard to win when your QB puts up -1.76 fantasy points.
Injuries are a killer. :( My guy Crayton has 2 td's today, but hardly any yards. Still, I'll take it. Who gets the bye out of the 8-4 teams? Webz if he wins because he beats Jam straight up and me on the tiebreaker. Darth if he wins and Jammer beats Webz (because I beat Jam on the tiebreaker) Jammer wins if he beats Webz and I lose. Which 2 get in of the 6-6 teams? Woody & Laimbs get in with wins (based on tiebreaks over the kid) The kid needs to win and needs someone else to lose. If all 3 lose Bill & Woody get in.
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The portal could also include features such as federated identity management, which shares user information among numerous agencies; a content management system that would enable quicker development of e-services; and Web tools, like RSS and mash-ups that incorporate online geographic maps.
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Thanks for replying, being that I have had my car for approx. 20 yrs, I have been able to start multiple times just to be shelved again and again... I'm bound and determined to get there. So the things I read and learn, I try and apply when I can. So I got the basics (I get to practice on things, projects other than my car) I just don't get to do it enough to know what you guy's know. I have read almost all of the articles in the knowledge base for body/exterior. there is a real good article by Martinsr on the different products and their definition as well as what they are used for. I just could not find the compatibility between the different medias (plastic to urethane to epoxy etc.) thanks for straightening that up...
Lets make it simple, if you are going to use todays products, you are going to use EPOXY, 2K PRIMER, POLYESTER PRIMER, BASE COAT, CLEAR COAT.
The epoxy is great for plastics, bumpers and bare metal, you can cover the epoxy with body filler for repairs.. You can then follow that with 2k to cover your repair area's... Then all you have left is bc/cc...
Too many people will not let go of something they have gotten used to or someone told them something that is not right, but they paint well.. etc....
The poly primer is like spreading metal glaze over a panel, except it is sprayable ( nice )...
For most repairs when you cover metal use epoxy. You dont have to go over it with 2k if everything is tip top.. You can let it flash and bc/cc.. For most they will cover with 2k to check bodywork etc...
Hope this helps some... It really is not as hard as many make it bro
Etching primers were designed for increased adhesion back when lacquer primer was the only surfacer available. They are still in use and offer excellent adhesion to bare steel. The only drawbacks are that they are a 1K product that is forever soluable, if you wet the surface of dried etch primer with solvent it will wash right off. Etch primers can be coated with epoxy and or urethane surfacers. Some newer polyester primers are claimed to be compatible with self etch primers but when I tested this it showed a very slow cure and definitely softened the etch primer underneath.
The only time I use a self etching primer or etching wash primer is on bare metal surfaces that cannot be prepped properly for epoxy primer.
IMO your best bare metal primer is epoxy if applied over a sanded and clean surface. Epoxy needs texture for proper adhesion and most manufacturers suggest sanding the bare steel with 80-180 grit. A sandblasted texture is also ideal. Epoxy offers excellent adhesion and the best durability in a 2k product that is not soluable after full cure. Any polyester or urethane product can be applied over epoxy.
1. sand and clean your bare metal surfaces
2. apply two coats of epoxy primer and let dry overnight
3. do any polyester filler work over the epoxy, if the epoxy is over three days old scuff with a red scotchbrite prior to filler application
4. apply two more coats of epoxy to seal your filler work and also any bare metal cut throughs
5. apply the surfacer of your choice either polyester or urethane
6. block sand the surfacer
7. some surfacers provide an ideal surface for paint while others are absorbent and will need to be sealed.
There's many steps to doing this right, more time than the average body shop will spend. Most will just mud, prime, and paint. JMO's Bob
Order of things
I have read a lot of threads as to what material to lay first, everyone's opinions on etch vs epoxy etc. I think I understand for the most part. The question I have is... are there general rules as to what materials can be laid on top of previous materials? For example, I read that some preferr to use epoxy to seal the bare metal... Ok so now that you have sealed with epoxy, is it ok to lay a 2k urethane build primer or should you use a polyester filler? I mean is it a no no to put urethane on top of epoxy? For another example, I read another post where someone stated to shoot bare metal with etch, then follow it up with epoxy, then follow with a 2k build primer, block and base etc... why would you follow the etch with epoxy, or if you use etch is urethane ok on top of it? what about polyester? Sorry, I'm just confused...
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Hi I would like to scratchbuild the shoulder studs of boba.. would anyone know the exact measurements?
Thanks very much!
If I recall correctly, the studs are the same size as a normal keyboard key (and the originals might be made from keyboard keys).
I have a block of resin lying around from a previous recast of a m38 scope.. So i guess I could use that.. So I really can't use the keyboard keys that I have as a reference..
Anyone willing to take measurements of their studs? L x W x H?
I was thinking the same thing about the angle of the keys...u need to find the perfectly square keys,on a non sloped keyboard or adding machine
What about the metal studs that evolutiontoys makes? Any good?
theyre very sharp looking literally speaking not very accurate IMHO
Could you guys give me measurements of your studs? If it's not too much to ask :-) I'll just mold them out of resin.
If they turn out good, I'd be interested in 2 studs for my cod->butt connection. :)
That is.. if you think of doing more than just for yourself.
Hehe no worries buddy. Ill see if i can get more than 6 pcs. :-)
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Woa!!! thats lookin mighty fine! I also am in the stages of putting together a new ESB vest & am awaiting MLC armour. What set do you have there? It looks incredible so far! The base vest also looks terrific! Post some more pics when you get some weathering on that bad boy!! Nicely done
thanks guys!
sorry about the quality of the pics.i dont have a digital cam as of yet.the armour and shoulder bells are all sintra done by me.i also made the vest using satin inside out (thank you lisa fett) and a old t-shirt was used as a pattern.i made the neckpiece then i brought it over to my local tailor for the pleats.
Looking good Cant wait to see it with the weathering. Remember though, the left shoulder is more of a yellow color than the right shoulder
i know the pics dont show it very well but i did give the lefy bell a yellow tint
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Re: Best country to purchase a boat
US - or any distressed seller location. Prices in the US are hard to beat. I'm keeping an eye out for a early model Seaward 32RK personally.
Re: Best country to purchase a boat
I would say that if it is an old boat (more than 20 years old) I would say USA. If it is a newer boat with less than 10 years I would say some European countries with some economic problems like Italy and Spain. There the selling price will be probably very different from the asking price.
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The last 2) boats I purchased were from the USA. I live in Canada and I bought a Captiva 240 on a trailer for 3200.00US and moved her back to ALberta my self. Great boat and a great deal I did some work on the boat, sailed her for 5 years and sold her for 14500.00. The next boat I purchased was a Beneteau First 285 1992 for 24000.00US which we trucked from Maryland to Seattle. We had CSR Marine Commission her and we sailed her for 6 years and sold her for what we paid minus the trasport cost. So my guess is that there deals out their, you just have to spend some time and effort to find them.
Re: Best country to purchase a boat
There are so many people in way over their heads in the US the prices are hard to beat and are dragging down the resale market world wide. Look at the states that lost most of their home value like Florida. If you cant find a deal there you wont find one anywhere.
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With all the cruising folks out there I thought I might try to stir some knowledge out.
If you were in the market for a deal/fixer upper of a boat and could be in any country/region in the world to search for that boat. Where would it be?
I can speculate as good as the rest of you based on markets and the value of currency. What about cold hard facts. Seen anything interesting lately out there?
Many thanks!
Re: Best country to purchase a boat
I've seen some nice looking boats of all shapes/sizes down hear in Fort Lauderdale which haven't moved from their docks in more than 20 years. I'm sure one could acquire these boats for little/no money or even be payed to take them. Of course the cost/time of fixing these boats is a concern. It might be easier/cheaper to look for a ready to sail one on craigslist in multiple areas. One could also google derelict boats & see what they can find.
I've wondered how much one could buy a new Junk for in Asia.
Re: Best country to purchase a boat
Florida estate sales
Rio Dulce, Panama, Colon, Gibralter, Canaries abandoned dreams BUT watch out for LOTS of deferred maintenance.
Re: Best country to purchase a boat
If you look at yachtworld, granted they likely don't have much of the 3rd world in the listings, but generally the US seems to have the cheapest boats by far. Lots of people coming from Australia, Canada, the islands and Mexico to pick up bargains here. It used to be said to go to any good cruising spot and you could find boats that were abandoned when the spouse did not like cruising or other things pulled people away from the cruse. Seems now with the economic downturn the US seems to be the spot to get lost dreams cheaply.
I have seen boats in the islands asking twice or more than you can get them here. And they are often in much worse shape because of absent owners. Unless you want to start your adventure somewhere else, I say start here, fix it here where the parts are cheaper, and more available. Then take off, especially if you want a fixer upper as parts will kill you in any other country.
The down turn in the economy has really changed the shape of the market.
Re: Best country to purchase a boat
Thanks for the rant Sum! Yes that is a very insightful point, certainly hard to fix a fixer upper when your not there.
Luckly not everyone is tied down to a house, or dog or a girl for that matter.
Your point also carries over when considering purchasing a boat in a foreign location. The appropriate services to facilitate that fixing uppping need to be within a resonable distance and level of standard. Middle of nowhere southern Chile could be a challenge to get a boat floating again.
All peripherals aside, seen anything interesting out there lately?
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Originally Posted by Bradfordpm View Post
....If you were in the market for a deal/fixer upper of a boat and could be in any country/region in the world to search for that boat. Where would it be?...
I have never before had to pay for someone to work on about anything we owned until we bought the Endeavour and have it stored 2200 miles from our house.
I paid one guy $85 and hour to remove the thru-hulls and the total was suppose to be about $400 for 8 of them. We also had the hull media blasted by someone else in prep for blister repair and he was suppose to open 10-15 larger blisters for them to drain and dry out. Well over $1000 later I had to have him quit after he had about 6 of the thru-hulls out and had taken a grinder to the blisters he was suppose to of 'just opened' and had ground thru the hull, a thick hull and had made a lot more work for the blister repair people.
Then he had pulled out one of the two thru hulls for a cockpit scupper and left the hose to it inside the hull in the engine compartment which then flooded the bilge when it rained. The blister repair people emptied the bilge for us about 3 times to the tune of another $500 by bailing it out which took them forever and never found the hose. When we got to the boat 10 months later I figured out the hose in about 10 minutes and hooked up a hose and siphoned (the boat was on stands) the water in the bilge out in about 10 minutes.
Sorry for the rant, but get a boat where you can do the work on it and not depend on others or at least have it where you can keep an eye on the work being done. The only one in our case that came in close to the bid price and he was lower actually was the guy who media blasted the bottom paint off.
Your results might vary ,
Our 37 Endeavour --- Our 26 MacGregor --- Trips With Both
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