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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:16 pm
Post subject: The 3-4, Debunking the Myths
So.....an unbiased review of all the teams that I could come up with that have switched from pure 4-3 to either a hybrid or 3-4 base in the last 10 years. I compare their season prior to the switch to the season they made the switch, in an effort to study many of the truths, half truths, and myths about converting from one defense or the other. The raw data used is the performance stats of the defense. The first post goes team by team to examine each situation and look at the stats. The second post is a roll up analysis comparing all situations to each other, looking at the change, positive or negative, from one year to another. My thinking has been greatly altered by undertaking this exercise, I learned many things that I did not expect to discover.
Raw Data and Commentary of the individual situations:
There were 10 teams running 3-4 or hybrid defenses in the 2008 season. How they changed:
(Pittsburgh is excluded as they have been running the defense for decades, making data difficult to find, and it was done prior to the current era of free agency):
Abbreviations used: PPG = Points per game (scoring defense), YPC = Yards per carry (run defense), YPP = Yards per pass (pass defense), PRA = Passer rating against (Pass defense), 3D = 3rd down % (sub package defense), Sk = Sacks, Int = Interceptions, Pen = Penalties
(fumbles were ignored due to random nature of recoveries)
San Fransisco 49ers:
The 49ers began the change to a 3-4 defense in 2005 when Mike Nolan took over, primarily a 2 gap 3-4 base. The defense never really took and yearly the team would waiver between a 3-4, 4-3, and Big Nickel as the base defense, until Singletary took over full time in 2008 and fully committed to a 1 gap 3-4 front.
2004 performance (2-14): 28.2 PPG (32nd), 4.0 YPC (12th), 7.5 YPP (25th), 96.5 PRA (29th), 40% 3D (23rd), 29 sk (29th), 9 int (29th), 107 pen (10th)
2005 performance (4-12): 26.8 PPG (29th), 3.8 YPC (11th), 8.0 YPP (32nd), 94.2 PRA (29th), 38% 3D (18th), 28 sk (28th), 16 int (14th), 120 pen (20th)
San Francisco's defense showed slight improvement overall despite a very poor offensive showing. The biggest improvement came in turnovers, where the defense noticeably improved. There were slight improvements to the overall scoring defense, run defense, and 3rd down defense, however the defense yielded a lot of big plays and was penalized more. There was no improvement to the pressure applied by the defense.
San Diego Chargers:
Martyball came to San Diego in 2002. After two dreadful years running a 4-3 defense, he fired his DC and hired the head honcho of the 1 gap 3-4 in the NFL, Wade Phillips, to transition the defense to a 3-4. Unlike the situation in San Francisco, the team already had a young NT entering his prime that toiled in obscurity in the 4-3 alignment, and heavy draft resources were dedicated to the effort.
2003 Performance (4-12): 26.7 PPG (31st), 4.3 YPC (20th), 6.8 YPP (18th), 94.3 PRA (32nd), 42% 3D (29th), 30 sk (24th), 13 int (23rd), 110 pen (21st)
2004 Performance (12-4): 19.6 PPG (11th), 3.7 YPC (6th), 6.9 YPP (14th), 76.6 PRA (9th), 35% 3D (10th), 29 sk (29th), 23 int (3rd), 109 pen (12th)
The returns from the switch in San Diego was immediate drastic improvement, improving from one of the leagues worst squads to a solidly above average squad. The most notable areas of improvement were huge improvements to the run defense, interceptions, and 3rd down efficiency. The one area that notably did not improve was the defenses ability to apply pressure, however their star pass rusher was not added until the following season.
Dallas Cowboys:
The Big Tuna was brought to Dallas in 2003 by Jerry Jones to turn the sinking franchise around. Unlike the previous two examples, Parcells slow played the transition and didn't make the switch until he had acquired many of the pieces. The year the switch was made (2005), heavy resources were dedicated to the effort, including a FA NT, 2 DE's via the draft and 2 OLB's via the draft. Bill Parcells is the standard bearer in the NFL of the old style Fairbanks 2 gap 3-4 prevalent in the NFL in the 1980's.
2004 Performance (6-10): 25.3 PPG (27th), 4.2 YPC (17th), 7.4 YPP (23rd), 94.2 PRA (27th), 39% 3D (22nd), 33 sk (26th), 13 int (24th), 104 pen (7th)
2005 Performance (9-7): 19.2 PPG (12th), 4.2 YPC (22nd), 6.7 YPP (13th), 75.1 PRA (9th), 35% 3d (6th), 37 sk (14th), 15 int (19th), 142 pen (32nd)
The Cowboys defense overall saw marked improvement after making the switch, moving from an overall poor unit to an above average unit the first year. Unlike SD and SF, the biggest gains were to the pass defense, where the unit improved across the board, with a very good showing on 3rd downs. The run defense changed little in the first year. The squad did see an increase in pressure, somewhat bucking the trend. One thing that stands out is that the unit was heavily penalized in the first year.
Miami Dolphins:
I'm actually going to consider a 3 year period for the Dolphins, due in part to the relevance to the Packers of today. Prior to 2005, the Dolphins had been running a Jim Bates 4-3, which he brought to Green Bay and installed after the hiring of Nick Saban. When Saban was hired, he began to transition the defense towards a 3-4 defense, and for a few years the team ran a complex 4-3/3-4 hybrid, at first primarily coached by Saban, but after the firing of Dom Capers from Houston he was brought on board to coordinate the defense full time in 2006.
2004 Performance (9-7): 22.1 PPG (20th), 4.3 YPC (18th), 6.5 YPP (5th), 76.9 PRA (10th), 32% 3D (5th), 36 sk (21st), 15 int (19th), 107 pen (10th)
2005 Performance (9-7): 19.8 PPG (15th), 3.7 YPC (7th), 6.7 YPP (13th), 82.4 PRA (22nd), 40% 3D (23rd), 49 sk (2nd), 14 int (23rd), 105 pen (7th)
2006 Performance (6-10): 17.7 PPG (5th), 3.5 YPC (3rd), 6.6 YPP (9th), 84.4 PRA (21st), 38% 3D (17th), 47 sk (3rd), 8 int (31st), 91 pen (13th)
Over the course of the hybrid period, the defense improved from a below average unit to an elite unit over the course of two seasons, being an average unit in the first hybrid year. During this period the run defense continually improved, whereas the pass defense slightly declined. Notable, the 3rd down performance drastically declined after Bates' departure, and the interception totals slumped, however the pressure drastically improved. There were no effects on the penalties called against the team.
New York Jets:
The New York Jets is one example of a 4-3 to 3-4 switch done while doing little to alter the personnel immediately, especially odd considering the previous defense, a 4-3 Tampa-2 incarnation led by Herm Edwards, had personnel fairly poorly suited to running a 3-4. But that didn't stop Eric Mangini from making the change, opting to quickly make the switch in lieu of slow playing it or a hybrid period. Mangini's version is straight from the Parcells/Bellicheck tree and is a modern incarnation of an old style Fairbanks 2 gap 3-4.
2005 Performance (4-12): 22.2 PPG (23rd), 3.9 YPC (12th), 6.5 YPP (7th), 73.1 PRA (6th), 42% 3D (28th), 30 sk (25th), 21 int (5th), 115 pen (16th)
2006 Performance (10-6): 18.4 PPG (6th), 4.6 YPC (26th), 6.5 YPP (6th), 78.0 PRA (12th), 36% 3D (10th), 35 sk (15th), 16 int (17th), 105 pen (29th)
Though the defense struggled with run defense in the first year, slumping from an above average unit to a bottom dweller, overall the defense improved from a well below average unit to a borderline elite unit in the first season. The really notable area of improvement is the 3rd down performance of the squad, which drastically improved. The pass defense declined a little, especially in the turnovers, but he was able to create more pressure in the first year in the defense. The defense however was highly penalized, slumping from an average unit to a bottom dweller. There are similarities in how this switch went and how the switch went in Dallas, notable due to the similarities of the scheme (fairly dissimilar from Dom's concepts).
New England Patriots:
Bill Belichick was hired in 2000 to return the Pats to glory. He followed the Parcells model to transition to the 3-4, acquiring the pieces over a few years (and playing the occasional 3-4 look) before fully making the switch in 2003 (though they waiver between 3-4 looks and 4-3 looks even today). The year of the switch they dedicated draft resources to the change, and acquired several pieces in FA, including experienced NT Ted Washington. Notably they won the super bowl the year they made the switch.
2002 Performance (9-7): 21.6 PPG (17th), 4.7 YPC (29th), 6.4 YPP (8th), 78.2 PRA (15th), 43% 3D (26th), 34 sk (20th), 18 int (12th), 99 pen (7th)
2003 Performance (14-2*): 14.9 PPG (1st), 3.6 YPC (6th), 5.6 YPP (1st), 56.2 PRA (1st), 34% 3D (7th), 41 sk (6th), 29 int (1st), 107 pen (19th)
This was another soft change, time was taken to build the pieces, and the team had occasionally run 3-4 concepts even predating Bill, but they changed to a 3-4 base in 2003 in a dramatic fashion. The unit shot from average to elite overnight, placing first in many categories. It has the hallmarks of the Fairbanks 2 gap 3-4 switch however, drastic improvement in 3rd down performance, increased pressure, and an increase in flags. However unlike Mangini and Parcells, Belichick's change was accompanied by drastic run defense improvement, which propelled the unit to the very top and won a Lombardi trophy.
Cleveland Browns:
When Romeo Crennel was hired in Cleveland off of New England's staff, the first thing he set out to do was sweep away Butch Davis' 4-3 defense and install his own brand of a Fairbanks 2 gap 3-4. Again like Mangini in NY, little effort was paid to actually acquire new players prior to making the switch or running a hybrid period.
2004 Performance (4-12): 24.4 PPG (24th), 4.3 YPC (18th), 6.7 YPP (9th), 79.0 PRA (16th), 36% 3D (15th), 32 sk (27th), 15 int (19th), 109 pen (12th)
2005 Performance (6-10): 18.8 PPG (11th), 4.2 YPC (22nd), 6.7 YPP (7th), 78.2 PRA (16th), 40% 3D (20th), 23 sk (32nd), 15 in (19th), 97 pen (3rd)
Romeo's defense didn't follow the typical Fairbanks 3-4 transition, the 3rd down performance declined and the penalties declined. In fact very little improved aside from the defense's ability to prevent scoring. But that most important aspect did improve, again following the trend of improvement shown by teams switching to a 3-4 or hybrid.
Baltimore Ravens:
The Ravens have been a hybrid defense for some time, switching back and forth between the defenses almost at will for many years. The start of that defensive style began when coordinator Marvin Lewis was hired to coach the Bengals and Mike Nolan took over as defensive coordinator, prior to the 2002 season. The Ravens are a little different case, there was a large exodus of retirements and players leaving after the 2001 season, the switch was based as much on necessity (an excess of linebackers and lack of bodies on the DL) as it was a purposeful change to go in a new direction.
2001 Performance (10-6): 16.6 PPG (4th), 3.4 YPC (2nd), 6.0 YPP (1st), 72.8 PRA (12th), 31% 3D (3rd), 45 sk (7th), 16 int (17th), 105 pen (30th)
2002 Performance (7-9): 22.1 PPG (19th), 3.7 YPC (1st), 6.7 YPP (16th), 73.4 PRA (5th), 40% 3D (21st), 33 sk (22nd), 25 int (2nd), 104 pen (20th)
The Ravens are an interesting case, simply because the initial motivation was a little different than most. Following the 2001 season they lost several players, notably Tony Siragusa; Mike Nolan took the defense in a different direction and fielded what worked well for his personnel. Also notable is they are the only elite squad to switch away from a pure 4-3. They did struggle a good deal preventing scoring (relative to the previous season), the main problems stemmed from a decrease in pressure and poor 3rd down performance. However the run defense did not significantly decline, nor did the pass defense, and penalties were largely unchanged.
Arizona Cardinals:
When Ken Wisenhunt was hired to coach the Cardinals in 2007, one of his goals was to move the team away from the pure 4-3 defense they had been running, eventually reaching a 3-4 defense. They have largely been using the Miami model, taking their time running a hybrid scheme and acquiring personnel prior to fully transitioning to a 3-4 scheme, which has not yet occurred.
2006 Performance (5-11): 24.3 PPG (29th), 4.1 YPC (14th), 7.5 YPP (31st), 85.4 PRA (24th), 41% 3D (21st), 38 sk (12th), 16 int (17th), 95 pen (17th)
2007 Performance (8-8): 24.9 PPG (27th), 3.9 YPC (10th), 6.9 YPP (14th), 85.8 PRA (22nd), 40% 3D (17th), 36 sk (13th), 18 int (10th), 118 pen (30th)
The Cardinals are almost the exact opposite of the Browns. When looking at the Browns individual stats for the parts of the defense, there was little to suggest large improvements in the scoring defense; the Cardinals however did improve slightly in a number of categories without any improvement to the bottom line.
Some now defunct attempts at a switch to a 3-4:
Minnesota Vikings:
In the final year of the Mike Tice era, Minnesota flirted with the idea of running a 3-4 defense, though they never really committed to it 100%. The biggest positive still remaining from the attempt is NT Pat Williams, who was brought in via FA to hold down the nose. When Brad Childress was hired, that idea was all but abandoned. But, they did occasionally use a 3-4 alignment in 2005.
2004 Performance (8-8): 24.7 PPG (26th), 4.6 YPC (26th), 7.6 YPP (27th), 95.5 PRA (28th), 46% 3D (30th), 39 sk (12th), 11 int (28th), 110 pen (15th)
2005 Performance (9-7): 21.5 PPG (19th), 4.0 YPC (15th), 6.6 YPP (10th), 75.2 PRA (10th), 43% 3D (31st), 34 sk (22nd), 24 int (2nd), 137 pen (30th)
The pressure went down a bit, and the flags were flying, but overall there was improvement across the board, with a drastic increase in the number of interceptions (no doubt TT letting Sharper go played a big role). 1 or 2 more wins that season and a playoff appearance, there is a decent chance Tice wouldn't have been fired and that the 3-4 would have stuck in Mn, at least for a little bit.
Atlanta Falcons:
The Falcons had a short lived flirtation with a 3-4 defense in the earlier part of this decade while Wade was defensive coordinator, prior to his transition of the Chargers defense. Unlike the Vikings, Atlanta fully committed to a switch and ran a 3-4 for 2 years, prior to the hiring of Jim Mora and his subsequent transition back to a 4-3. Notable is that it was the Falcons first year running a 3-4 defense under Phillips that handed Green Bay their first ever playoff loss at Lambeau Field. :cry:
2001 Performance (7-9): 23.6 PPG (24th), 4.8 YPC (30th), 8.0 YPP (30th), 93.3 PRA (30th), 46% 3D (31st), 37 sk (19th), 18 int (13th), 97 pen (20th)
2002 Performance (9-6-1): 19.6 PPG (8th), 4.6 YPC (27th), 7.0 YPP (25th), 72.8 PRA (4th), 40% 3D (20th), 47 sk (4th), 24 int (3rd), 112 pen (25th)
The 2002 Falcons were playmakers, sacks and ints galore. The fundamental defense, run, pass, and 3rd down, all improved, however the flags flew. The improvement towards the bottom line, preventing scoring, was dramatic.
Jacksonville Jaguars:
Jacksonville was one of two new expansion teams in the mid 1990's. Both teams found almost immediate success, being playoff powerhouses by their second year. After many of the initial wave of players moved on due to roster turnover, Jacksonville saw a decline in the performance of their defense in the late 1990's, Dom Capers was brought in to revive the unit by Tom Coughlin. He immediately set about to transform the defense to his preferred 3-4 base from the 4-3 that they had been running under Jaron. This is perhaps the most relevant case study as it relates to the Packers 0f 2009. In Miami the team had already begun transforming into a hybrid prior to his arrival, and Head Coach Nick Saban was a defensive minded coach that surely had a hand in the defense along with Dom, Saban also being a 3-4 proponent. Coughlin on the other hand ceded near complete control of the defense to Dom. This team also dedicated heavy draft resources to the defense, spending all but 2 picks on on the defense. They also added a defensive end and safety via free agency. Notable is that there was no prototypical giant NT on the roster, nor was one acquired, they used a rotation of starter Seth Payne (6'4", 300 lb) and rookie Larry Smith (6'5", 295 lb).
1998 Performance (11-5): 21.1 PPG (17th), 4.4 YPC (26th), 6.5 YPP (8th), 80.1 PRA (19th), 36% 3D (11th), 30 sk (27th), 13 int (21st), 109 pen (13th)
1999 Performance (14-2): 13.6 PPG (1st), 3.9 YPC (13th), 6.3 YPP (4th), 71.0 PRA (11th), 34% 3D (9th), 57 sk (1st), 19 int (12th), 93 pen (8th)
Another instance of dramatic improvement. Dom turned a slightly below average unit into an elite unit overnight. The only primary indicator where the team was elite was in pass defense, which improved, but the team saw a dramatic improvement in pressure, with almost every starting defender notching at least 1, both OLB's and a DE managed more than 10. Just like in Miami, the squad had a better pass defense than run defense, though the run defense moderately improved, the pressure went way up and the penalties went down, and just like Miami the 3rd down performance was not commensurate with the overall quality of the defense, lagging behind the scoring performance.
....these are all the pure 4-3 to 3-4 or hybrid transformations that I am aware of in the last 10 years. If anybody is aware of any more, let me know and I'll post the results.
There is only 1 example that I am aware of where where a previously hybrid team finished the deal and became a full blown 3-4, however the San Francisco 49ers will probably be added to that category this season.
Miami Dolphins:
It seems that Miami lost their way after Saban's departure. Saban initially set out to transform into a 3-4 over time, however the defense found success as a hybrid and never really finished the transformation until Bill Parcells was brought in to complete what was begun 3 years prior.
2007 Performance (1-15): 27.3 PPG (30th), 4.5 YPC (29th), 7.8 YPP (31st), 92.4 PRA (29th), 47% 3D (32nd), 30 sk (24th), 14 int (23rd), 73 pen (1st)
2008 Performance (11-5): 19.8 PPG (9th), 4.2 YPC (16th), 7.0 YPP (17th), 77.0 PRA (9th), 38% 3D (10th), 40 sk (8th), 18 int (8th), 86 pen (14th)
Bill drafted and brought in via FA a number of players for the defense, including NT Jason Ferguson. The defense dramatically improved across the board, in all areas but penalties, sticking with a typical Parcells tree switch. The run defense improved a little. The biggest gains were on 3rd down performance (another Parcells hallmark) and in pass defense.
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Now, some analysis.
(Hybrids are noted with a (H). Elite squads (top 5) are noted with a *, very good squads (top 10) are noted with a ^. Only the initial year when the team moved away from a pure 4-3 is considered in this list.)
Overall Defense:
In nearly every case you can point to improvement in the defense's bottom line, though it seems the various systems and coaches each seem to improve in different ways. All extremes of switching are represented, from a hard switch with little personnel effort on a ill suited team, to a soft
switch done over the course of a few years. One thing however has stood out, hybrid defenses don't seem to improve as much as the full blown switch, and Baltimore is the only team to sustain any success using a hybrid. It seems that a team should move on quickly to finishing the
switch instead of lingering long term as a hybrid, spending no more than a season as a hybrid.
Drastic Improvement (>6 PPG)
1999 Jacksonville Jaguars (7.5 PPG)*
2004 San Diego Chargers (7.1 PPG)
2003 New England Patriots (6.7 PPG)*
2005 Dallas Cowboys (6.1 PPG)
Good Improvement (5.99 - 3 PPG)
2005 Cleveland Browns (5.6 PPG)
2006 New York Jets (3.8 PPG)^
2002 Atlanta Falcons (3.7 PPG)^
2005 Minnesota Vikings (3.2 PPG)(H)
Slight Improvement (2.99 - 1 PPG)
2005 Miami Dolphins (2.3 PPG) (H)
2005 San Francisco 49ers (1.4 PPG)(H)
No Improvement (.99 - -.99 PPG)
2007 Arizona Cardinals (-0.6 PPG)(H)
Decline (<-1 PPG)
2002 Baltimore Ravens (-5.5 PPG)(H)
Dissecting this further. Just do it. Unless the personnel is totally ill suited to using a 3-4, there is little reason to use a hybrid period, as the transition tends to bog down, chances are the coordinator won't have the time to see through the change, Miami being the only team to actually complete the transition.
Of the 7 teams that skipped the hybrid period, 2 turned in 1st place performances, 2 more turned in top 10 performances, the 3 remaining were knocking on the door of the top 10, 2 of them were bottom 5 performers the previous year. Truthfully I was not expecting these results, at all.
One thing though is that many of these teams were not able to sustain their first year success. Though the team may "struggle" to adapt to the new defense, there is a flipside that I think isn't talked about enough, that opponents struggle to counter the stuff thrown at them. After all, immediately after a switch, opponents have virtually no game tape on performances, and have no idea of any play calling tendencies of the coordinator. By the time the tape book begins to be written and opponents get a bead on the defense, the defense has already come through the initial error filled period (~3-6 games). I think this also explains how teams like the Pats and Steelers that will run a lot of 4-3 stuff and frequently vary what they do, can sustain success over the long haul. Opponents simply have no idea of what they are in for each week.
Run Defense:
One of the things that I expected to see as I went into this was an improvement in the run defense of a team, as I believe that the 3-4 formation is a schematically superior run defense than a typical 4-3 defense (46 variations excluded). While the results were not as dramatic as I thought I would find, they were telling nonetheless.
Drastic Improvement (>0.61 YPC)
2003 New England Patriots (1.1 YPC)^
Good Improvement (0.60-0.31 YPC)
2005 Miami Dolphins (0.6 YPC)(H)^
2005 San Diego Chargers (0.6 YPC)^
2005 Minnesota Vikings (0.6 YPC)(H)
1999 Jacksonville Jaguars (0.5 YPC)
Slight Improvement (0.30 - 0.11 YPC)
2007 Arizona Cardinals (0.2 YPC)(H)^
2005 San Francisco 49ers (0.2 YPC)(H)
2002 Atlanta Falcons (0.2 YPC)
No Change (0.10 - -0.10 YPC)
2005 Cleveland Browns (0.1 YPC)
2006 Dallas Cowboys (0.0 YPC)
Decline (<-0.11 YPC)
2002 Baltimore Ravens (-0.3 YPC)(H)*
2006 New York Jets (-0.7 YPC)
Of the 12 teams under consideration, only two saw their run defense decline, and one of those two has a caveat, the Ravens run defense did decline, but they were still the best run defense in the NFL the season they switched. The only team to significantly decline were the Jets, and they are notable as a cold turkey switch on a ill suited team with little personnel turnover. They didn't have even a serviceable NT when the switch was made. There is no pattern to the hybrid defenses here.
It is also notable that though some of the teams were very good defenses overall, only the Ravens fielded an elite run defense the first year, though more than a third of the others were able to muster a top 10 performance the first year. The bulk of the defenses saw slight to good improvement in their run defense the first year. 8 of the 12 teams under consideration were in the top half of the league in run defense the first year.
Struggling against the run the first year is frequently cited as a drawback to switching to a 3-4, but I think this data shows quite the opposite, that some improvement to the run defense should be expected, especially if the team has at least a serviceable NT. But with the caveat that it is doubtful that the team will field an elite run defense during the first year, even if the overall defense is elite.
Pass Defense:
Pass defense is a little more difficult to quantify, as there are different indicators that mean different things. The relationship of yards per pass (YPP), passer rating (PRA), and ints give us an idea of what is happening. If all show good improvement, obviously the pass defense overall improved. However you also see a declining performance in the YPP stat, an increased (or roughly even) performance in the PRA stat, and an increase in interceptions, it suggests that the defense is making more big plays in the passing game, but likewise is getting burned more as well (suggesting a lot of blitzing and gambling). On the flipside is an increasing performance in the YPP stat and declining or even performance in the PRA stat, and little change to the ints, suggesting that the defense is giving up more underneath stuff but getting burned less (a la the linebackers struggling with zone drops).
As the pass defense is a little more independent and varies widely in implementation from defense to defense, I didn't expect to really see any notable trends.
Overall Improvement
2005 Minnesota Vikings (1.0 YPP, 20.3 PRA, 13 int)(H)^
2002 New England Patriots (0.8 YPP, 22.0 PRA, 11 int)*
2002 Atlanta Falcons (1.0 YPP, 20.5 PRA, 6 int)
2005 Dallas Cowboys (0.7 YPP, 19.1 PRA, 2 int)
1999 Jacksonville Jaguars (0.2 YPP, 9.1 PRA, 6 int)^
Playmaking Improvement, Average Effectiveness Decline
2004 San Diego Chargers (-0.1 YPP, 17.7 PRA, 10 int)^
2005 49ers (-0.5 YPP, 2.3 PRA, 7 int)(H)
2002 Baltimore Ravens (-0.7 YPP, -0.6 PRA, 9 int)(H)^
Give Up More Short Stuff
2007 Arizona Cardinals (0.6 YPP, -0.4 PRA, 2 int)(H)
Very Little Change
2005 Cleveland Browns (0.0 YPP, 0.8 PRA, 0 int)
2006 New York Jets (0.0 YPP, -4.9 PRA, -5 int)^
2005 Miami Dolphins (-0.2 YPP, -5.5 PRA, -1 int)(H)
Again here I was surprised by the results. Almost every hybrid improved their playmaking at least somewhat, and overall there is very little decline in anything.
I expected more in the "Give up more short stuff" category, with the results that I found, I am inclined to say, that whole "struggling in coverage" thing attached to some OLB's really doesn't matter much at all in the grand scheme of things, after all, you'd expect to at least see some signs of that, which really don't exist. Perhaps the white elephant aspect of it is a much bigger overall help than commonly thought. It isn't really discussed much at all, but every short play given up is a long play not given up, if the defense can consistently swarm (to be expected with zone coverage) and prevent the short pass from turning into much (especially first downs), why not give the QB and easy outlet underneath that in reality gains him very little, but helps to cut down on potential big plays.
What really surprises is that all but 1 full change either improved or had no change, only the Chargers fell into a sub category, and overall they sharply improved even though their YPP slightly dipped. I think one thing that can be read into this is perhaps that most of the DC's that are doing the switch, have extensive secondary experience and view it as more of the starting point than the front line.
Also surprising is that 10 of the 12 teams increased their number of interceptions, only the Jets saw significant decline, and they were coming off of a very good year the prior year, decline was almost expected.
Pressure is a frequently cited positive of the 3-4 alignment, the common thought is that it is better to "bring the heat". Lets see if that is true, after all, if it is the defense and not the talent, you would expect positive results right away out of most defenses making the switch.
Drastic Improvement (>9.9 sk)
1999 Jacksonville Jaguars (27 sk)*
2005 Miami Dolphins (13 sk)(H)*
2002 Atlanta Falcons (10 sk)*
Good Improvement (>4.9 sk)
2002 New England Patriots (7 sk)^
2006 New York Jets (5 sk)
Slight Improvement (>1.1 sk)
2005 Dallas Cowboys (4 sk)
No Change (1.1 > sk > -1.1)
2004 San Diego Chargers (-1 sk)
2005 San Francisco 49ers (-1 sk)(H)
Decline (<-1.1 sk)
2007 Arizona Cardinals (-2 sk)(H)
2005 Minnesota Vikings (-5 sk)(H)
2005 Cleveland Browns (-9 sk)
2002 Baltimore Ravens (-12 sk)(H)
Here again we have strong delineation between the hybrid teams, and the teams that fully switched. 4 of the 6 teams that showed no change or decline were hybrid teams, whereas 5 of the 6 teams that showed at least some improvement were teams that fully switched. There was an overall fairly even spread to the data, though the teams that improved tended to improve more than the teams that declined.
I don't really think that there is a really strong trend here with a superiority of scheme for pressure. However it is true that many of the best pass rushing teams in the league are 3-4 defenses. I think that the best explanation for this is that a good % of the athlete types that make the best pass rushers in the NFL aren't much more than situational players in a 4-3 defense, and few 4-3 teams carry many, if any, of them. The 3-4 scheme allows the elite pass rushers to have a place on the field every play without "wearing down" trying to hold the point against the run. However most 4-3 teams do not have these guys, and the good ones aren't typically available as free agents; it is a position that a 3-4 team usually must draft and develop, hence the lack of much first year impact.
I think that the data shows that it is the players that get the pressure, not the scheme, though the scheme allows certain players to explode in sacks, however typically teams in transition don't have those types of players (at their peak) yet.
3rd Down Defense:
While it is nice to have a great base defense that shuts down offenses on first and second down, games are won and lost on 3rd down; the ability to convert, and the defenses ability to prevent the opponent from converting. One would expect little difference in the pass coverage between the 3rd down pass defense of a 4-3 team and the 3rd down pass defense of a 4-3 team, however differences in the number of and type of bodies that the defense keeps may have a profound impact on the front line performance of the primary 3rd down sub packages (pin the ears back rush pass D (3rd and long) and a big line of heavies for short yardage). Honestly I had no idea of what to expect.
One key point to remember is that 3rd down performance and it's relationship to overall defensive scoring performance is a good identifier for under and over performing units on the scoreboard, speaking as much to the overall talent level of the defense as the points allowed does. A defense bleeding points that is good on 3rd down are a bunch of underachievers (also suggesting an inordinate amount of negative flukes), likewise a team shutting opponents down on the scoreboard that is struggling on 3rd down are a bunch of overachievers and that success may be fleeting for the group (suggesting an inordinate amount of positive flukes).
Significant Improvement (>6.9% 3D)
2002 New England Patriots (9% 3D)^
2004 San Diego Chargers (7% 3D)^
Good Improvement (>3.9% 3D)
2006 New York Jets (6% 3D)^
2002 Atlanta Falcons (6% 3D)
2005 Dallas Cowboys (4% 3D)^
Slight Improvement (>1.9% 3D)
2005 Minnesota Vikings (3% 3D)(H)
1999 Jacksonville Jaguars (2% 3D)^
2005 San Francisco 49ers (2% 3D)(H)
No Change (1.9% > 3D > -1.9%)
2007 Arizona Cardinals (1% 3D)(H)
Decline (<-1.9% 3D)
2005 Cleveland Browns (-4% 3D)
2005 Miami Dolphins (-8% 3D)(H)
2002 Baltimore Ravens (-9% 3D)(H)
Here is another place where the full switch teams drastically outperformed their hybrid counterparts. No hybrid team showed any more than a 3% improvement, and only 2 of the 7 full switch teams failed to at least improve by 4%, one of them (1999 Jaguars) was a borderline top 10 team on 3rd downs prior to the change, and they did improve. The Browns were the only team that fully switched year 1 that showed any decline in year 1.
I think that this shows that running a 3-4 defense does leave the team with a better assortment of body types for the 3rd down sub packages, whereas hybrid teams are still generally keeping the same numbers of player types as 4-3 teams on the roster, making their 3rd down performance at best slightly better than the previous year.
There are benefits to having several OLB's (4-3 situational pass rushers), several big huge ends (4-3 pass rushing UT's), and a backup big man (2 giant NT's) on the roster, which come in handy on 3rd and long and 3rd and short. The player types of front line players that typically aren't the best for 3rd downs, run stopping UT's (a la Cole) and run stopping left ends (a la Montgomery), aren't generally kept by 3-4 teams. I think this data clearly shows the benefits of the player types and numbers that a 3-4 team keeps vs a 4-3 team on the performance of the 3rd down defense.
Also noticeable is that no team making the switch, either full blown or hybrid, produced an elite performer on 3rd down, despite an overall elite defense on the scoreboard. This suggests at least enough mental errors on any team associated with a switch to prevent the team from becoming an elite 3rd down performer in the first season, though 5 of the 12 teams, all 5 being teams that fully switched year 1, produced top 10 performers on 3r down. Something that is very telling IMO.
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Just finished it all, quality stuff as always Waldo.
I'd like to add to the conversation a bit, but not even sure where to start an argument in this case.
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Just finished it all, quality stuff as always Waldo.
I'd like to add to the conversation a bit, but not even sure where to start an argument in this case.
Ya ya yah, good stuff Waldo, again, but here's what I want now: predictions, for this year and going forward. But this year. Crunch the numbers and our personnel. What have we got?
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Great post waldo. I like how scoring went down in each and every case. Very good sign for us. I don't care how we get it done, but we have to drop Opp PPG. Our offense is high powered enough to put the points up. The D just has to hold em.
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The things about our defense last year that I remember killing us were the occasional breakdowns where we'd be hit with a long run. Felix Jones and LenWhale White come to mind. For the most part, our defense did a good job in those 2 games against the run. But somehow they allowed White to break the long one, at the wrong time too.
And Felix took advantage of pourous tackling (Chuck Peprah) for his long one.
I also remember Roddy White beating us deep on a key play that can't happen (Tramon I think).
And Miles Austin's only 2 big catches of his career came against us as well (Tramon again I think).
We have to cut out the killer big plays.
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Waldo--Nice job--I can appreciate the amount of time you must have put into this to pull all the information together. When I think of the teams that run the 3-4, regardless of the type of 3-4, I see no nonsense, no BS, no compromises. That seems to be the common thread. And while the improvements in the first year of moving to the 3-4 are evident in most cases in your post, it's also fair to say they are not huge in most cases. So I began to think about what makes the 3-4 roll--I think it's a strong 2-gap Nose-Tackle. The teams that had that did the best.
The second observation I have is the degree to which coaches were able to adapt their scheme to the personnel. This is where I think we have a clear advantage over any "new" 3-4 team in the past 7 years. Capers will put guys in the best position to be the most productive. He's been successful in doing so everywhere he has gone. This cannot be understated, but it is often overlooked. We have a real gem in Dom Capers. Kudos to MM for bringing him on.
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I am cracking a beer for this thread right now even though its 2 in the morning. Part of me thinks this will be a magical transition, and part of me thinks this will take some time like the ZB's did. Nice research to say the least.
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i would attempt to carry waldo's child if it were possible. if arnold can do it in junior, then im damn well gonna try. excellent post, you can't argue with cold hard facts
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Wonderful thread, Waldo.
What popped out at me is that only the Ravens and Browns had an appreciable decrease in sacks. That also tends to defy conventional wisdom.
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Great read Waldo, good work. Our 3-4 transition struggles is similar to our apparent "QB transition" struggles from last offseason, nothing but a myth and if you actually took the time to stop and think about it, it was easy to see how our transition to Rodgers would be successful, just like it's easy to see how our Defense will be much improved this year.
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this is an excellent thread.
you should work for some sports website man. Im impressed.
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is the guy you all voted MVP???
One trend I was trying to identify - but did not - was keying in on early success. That is, did teams that switched longer ago obtain more success since fewer teams employed the scheme and offenses had little prep against them. Versus the teams that switched more recently now play against offenses that might have seen more 3-4 thrown at them.
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All right. Done.
I'm finished with raw data collection, individual team analysis, and overall analysis.
I thought I noticed some trends when going through collecting data and writing it out, but going through each of indicators and charting them individually was at times shocking IMO, and led to a number of conclusions that I think are overlooked.
1) There is very little point to fielding a hybrid team. Teams that fully switch, with or without the necessary pieces, tend to outperform the hybrids.
2) Teams switching to a full 3-4 will almost surely at least improve a little, some drastically. The myth of "struggling" the first year has been debunked.
3) It is entirely possible to field an elite team the first year of the switch. 12 teams have switched to a 3-4 or hybrid in the last 10 years, 2 of them fielded the best defense in the NFL that season on their first try (both fully switched). More than half the teams that fully switched (4 of 7) fielded a top 10 unit on the first try.
4) The struggles of the scheme change for the team making the change seem to be lesser struggles than the struggles of their opponents trying to game plan against them (with almost zero game tape and no idea of what the DC is going to call). An oft overlooked aspect of the scheme change but apparently very important.
5) The run defense does not struggle and should in fact improve, possibly significantly, for teams making the switch that at least have a serviceable nose tackle. In conflict with popular opinion.
6) The fact that the OLB's suck in pass coverage may in fact have the opposite effect than thought, that the plays they give up are more than offset by the fact that the QB isn't trying to throw one deeper and is taking the easy underneath play, one that a good swarming defense can prevent form doing much damage.
7) Almost every team that made the switch saw their ballhawking improve.
8) Apparently it isn't the scheme that creates the sacks. It seems that it is the fact that the scheme allows an elite pass rusher body type to be on the field every play as opposed to the situational use that they receive on a 4-3 team, however the team still needs the elite players to get the pressure, which often are not in place (or are rookies) at the time the switch is made.
9) The body types and numbers that a 3-4 team keeps on the roster apparently are better 3rd down situational performers (3rd and long / 3rd and short) than their 4-3 or hybrid counterparts, and often games are won and lost on 3rd down.
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Wow.... Youre flat out crazy man.
Now is when you go into the NFL General and make everybody saying "the 3-4 transition is not a 1 year fix. Your defense will not show improvements year 1. blah blah blah" look foolish
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would a 3.2 wetsuit with another 3.2 wetsuit work to go out tomarrow or no?
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would a 3.2 wetsuit with another 3.2 wetsuit work to go out tomarrow or no?
It will work, but not for long. As George Costanzo would say, "Shrinkage," and I'm not talking about the wetsuit.
it would be hard as hell getting into that
allrite thanks for info
I've heard you can layer under your suit with a long sleeve polyolefin rash guard with a hood. I've never tried it, but apparently it works and it's the equivalent to adding about a half mm to the suit. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has tried though.
I don't know where in NJ you surf, but just save up for a 5/3, I bought one two days ago for only 50 dollars!
I'm wearing a 3/2 over a 2mm LS springy = 5/4 and that works for me in MD. Save $$ and rubber..
But if you're gonna go buy one, try to find a used one first to save some $$ and from creating more rubber usage. Think environmentally.
to answer ur question, yes 2 wetsuits will make u twice as warm.
I am not proud of it, but I wore 2 ripped up 3/2s when my 4 mil got stolen about 5 years ago. I live in cali where it doesn't get that cold, and people laughed at me. but i stayed out in the water all day.
so yes, more rubber equals more warmth. not very comfortable, and u won't land many airs. but u will b warm.
and maybe im just a puss, but I was in oc md last may/june. and at the end of may, I had my 4 mil on and I was cold. not freezing, but I go all year in sd without needed booties. just my 4 mil. may/june in oc md felt colder than fedbruary out here. not freezing, but chilly as hell.


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Can we talk? I mean about something so personal you probably haven't divulged the truth to your very best friend. I'm not talking about sex. Heck most of us know more about our friends' sex lives than we ever needed or wanted to know. I'm talking about that thing that we often aren't even honest about [Read More…]
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Fox Imagines That All Renewable Energy Initiatives Are Wasteful
Fox News reported that the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found 679 renewable energy initiatives to be overlapping -- but the GAO only stated that 679 was the number of such initiatives that existed in 2010; further, the GAO explicitly stated that it could not evaluate whether the programs overlapped.
In the GAO's 2013 annual report [1], which seeks to identify wasteful and overlapping federal government programs, the office determined [2] that "23 agencies and their 130 subagencies implemented 679 renewable energy initiatives in fiscal year 2010."
Fox's Special Report, however, claimed that all 679 of these programs were duplicative and wasteful. Host Bret Baier reported: "Fox has obtained the results of a new GAO report finding 162 areas of duplication or wasteful spending, adding almost $100 billion a year on top of a larger amount from two previous reports. Renewable energy programs topped them all with 679 overlapping programs."
This characterization is actually contradicted by the report itself. While the report found that a handful of wind initiatives may have "provided duplicative support," the GAO specifically stated [3] that the office "could not comprehensively assess the potential for overlap or duplication" among the renewable energy initiatives:
Although GAO examined characteristics, such as energy source and recipient type, for the nearly 700 renewable energy initiatives identified in its February 2012 report, GAO could not comprehensively assess the potential for overlap or duplication among the initiatives because existing agency information was not sufficiently complete to allow for such an assessment.
Fox's falsehood echoes a release from Republican Senator Tom Coburn that also claims [4] 679 renewable energy initiatives were found to be duplicative.
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After talking about the lives Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez, let's get back to actual football news. Expectations are high as they have ever been for Rams quarterback Sam Bradford after the team spent the offseason focusing on putting more pass-catching talent around him. Continuity with the Rams' offensive system is also helping out Bradford as he heads into his second year with offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer.
"There were times last year, I remember sitting in meetings, maybe [Schottenheimer] was really comfortable with a play because they had run it in the past and had success with it, but it was new to me, and I wasn't comfortable with it." Bradford said. "Now, I think we have a much better feel for each other."
Schottenheimer has noticed Bradford's increased comfort, saying the two of them "are a thousand years ahead of where we were last year."
Fantasy Analysis:
Just another reason why Bradford should a sought-after value pick in drafts this year. With all of the weapons he has in place, more than 4,000 passing yards and 25 touchdowns are within reach.


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- Professionally built 355 cubic inch small block Chevy with 600+ horsepower
- Chrome sold axle front suspension
- American Racing Torq Thrust II wheels
- Secret Audio sound system
- Professionally built Turbo-Hydramatic 350 3-speed transmission
- Chrome four link rear suspension
- Downs Industries fiberglass body
- Halibrand Quickchange rear end
- Sanderson Zoomies
- Custom leather interior
Cars like the 1932 Ford Coupe just never go out of fashion. From the instant it hit the streets to its huge following in today's street rod community, the '32 Ford has always been at the pinnacle of automotive greatness. Of course, the '32 Ford probably wouldn't be where it is today without the timeless tradition of hot rodding. And thanks to the constant evolution of hot rodding technology, it's pretty easy to build your own Ford Coupe as long as you have a lot of time, a lot of patience and A LOT of money. Fortunately for those of us who'd rather retire than build a hot rod, RK Motors Charlotte offers what we call 'smart buying' an already finished car. The work is already done, the money already spent, and the result is a great-looking street rod that you can drive home today for a fraction of the build cost. This wicked 1932 Ford Coupe, with its custom suspension, outrageous drivetrain and sinister color combination is a perfect example of a smart buy that you can win a trophy with on Saturday and cruise the country side with on Sunday. So, if you're looking to score a fully sorted street rod that mixes classic good looks with modern road manners, we have your car!
Downs Industries is a family owned company that has spent the last 30 years supplying the classic car hobby with some of the best fiberglass components ever produced. And with virtually no imperfections, this slick '32 Ford's Downs fiberglass fuselage is a testament to exactly why they've enjoyed such great success. It displays smooth vertical panels that would give an all-steel car a serious run for its money, and presents an arrow straight profile which looks absolutely fantastic under a rich and glossy coat of jet black paint. Naturally, a body this nice deserves to be seen and celebrated to the highest extent, so its expertly applied clearcoat was tirelessly wet sanded to achieve an even finish and then buffed to a super slick, mirror-like shine. Today, with only 5,417 sunny day miles on its complete build, this killer three window coupe is a striking mix of first class build quality and classic proportions that literally defines old school style and street rod brawn!
When California Dreamin' Hot Rods of North Tonawanda, New York built this awesome black coupe, they made sure every detail was exceptionally well-done. And the result is a car that not only turns heads and drops jaws, but also creates a lasting impression which sets it apart from lesser builds. At the front of the car, body-matched frame horns hold a body matched spreader bar below a Dan Fink stainless grille and two great looking Ford Model A Twolite headlights that have been equipped with integrated turn signals. Behind that grille, a one piece steel hood flows across polished hardware toward a chopped roof which hangs smoked glass between small, black rearview mirrors. Those mirrors are attached to shaved suicide doors which open courtesy of electronic poppers and, along with the rest of the car's clean fuselage, help create the seamless reflections and classic 'stripped down' look that is typical of top notch fenderless street rods. And at the back of that fuselage, a diamond plate tag bracket hangs between chrome trimmed tear drop tail lights, a custom differential cover and a seamlessly integrated center high mount stop lamp which illuminates a trick electric trunk lid.
As timeless and appealing as this badass street rod's full profile is, if I added it to my collection I'd have to run it sans hood. Why, you ask? Because in order to fully appreciate the fully detailed, 600+ horsepower 355 cubic inch small block Chevy that sits just inside its front tires, you need a full line of sight into its gloss black engine bay! At the top of that black engine bay, a pair of chrome Holley carburetors mix air from a polished shotgun intake and re-usable filter element with a steady stream of fuel which travels through a billet CV Products fuel pump, a pressurized Marshall fuel gauge, polished stainless fuel lines, braided fuel hoses and high quality Earl's fittings. At the base of those carburetors, a polished B&M supercharger spins between lightweight aluminum heads that are complete with stylish polished valve covers, and an MSD Pro-Billet distributor which sends fire through fresh MSD Super Conductor plug wires. All that hardcore combustion is cooled by a high quality radiator which sends water past a quick spinning electric fan and a polished overflow tank to custom chrome, TIG welded water tubes and a polished water pump. All that fire is kept alive by a chrome alternator that, thanks to a polished bracket, a billet pulley and a fresh V-belt, sends charge to an American Autowire system. And all of the resulting spent gases are jettisoned thanks to a slick looking pair of ceramic coated Sanderson zoomie headers. As with its fully detailed exterior panels, nothing was missed under the hood of this sharp '32 Ford; and when New Tech Marine built its smooth and clean engine, they finished it with high quality ancillary items such as, a chrome mini starter, polished motor mounts, a polished breather, a chrome timing chain cover and even a billet dip stick that's complete with a sleeved tube.
Take a look underneath this impressive '32 Coupe, and you'll find a super clean undercarriage that is just as well detailed as its show stopping engine. A chrome front solid axle suspension, which is complete with a transverse leaf spring, combines with a chrome four link rear suspension, which is complete with satin finished coil over shocks and a gloss black panhard bar, to produce thoroughly modern ride and handling characteristics. At the center of that custom suspension, a black Turbo-Hydramatic 350, which was built by Competition Transmission in North Tonawanda, New York, sends power to a polished Halibrand Quickchange rear end which does a great job of providing both stare inducing Main Street parade passes and hair raising quarter mile trap speeds. Quick stops are provided by a frame mounted, and body matched, power brake booster which sends fluid through stainless steel lines and braided hoses to chrome shielded front discs and traditional rear drums. And easy turns come courtesy of manual Flaming River steering which provides a cool, vintage feel without ungainly vintage performance. Exceptionally clean and completely finished for show, the bottom of this Ford includes details such as: an Oak reinforced floor pan, a gloss black boxed frame which is complete with tubular cross bracing, a Milodon oil pan, a polished transmission pan, a body matched driveshaft and a complete set of fresh stainless lines and hardware. And at the corners of the car, polished aluminum American Racing Torq Thrust IIs spin 195/60/15 BF Goodrich Advantage front radials and 275/60/17 BF Goodrich Comp T/A rear radials around special order American Racing center caps.
The cars sinister looks flow right through its chopped window frames into its cave-like cockpit and manifest as soft burgundy leather which covers virtually every surface of the interior except the dash. The pleated leather bench seat is firm, provides excellent support thanks to ample padding and displays a cool marble pattern that is either a carefully planned detail or a lucky product of just the right amount of break in time. At the sides of that seat, custom pleated door panels, which are equipped with billet handles, billet locks and small power window buttons, hang between custom covered kick panels and a custom covered rear panel. Below the seat like-new burgundy carpet, which flows from the firewall to the back of the cockpit, props a chrome Lokar shifter with a trick piston shift knob next to good looking chrome foot pedals and a hidden chrome emergency brake handle. And above the seats, a tight and fade-free custom leather headliner is perfectly accented by a small, billet rearview mirror. At the front of the car, a smooth dash, which has been painted dark maroon to match the leather interior, hangs a full set of Classic Instruments gauges above a remote control which operates the electric doors and trunk, hidden controls for the car's accessories and a hidden Secret Audio system. In front of the driver, a polished 6-spoke steering wheel spins above a maroon, tilt column that is equipped with a full set of billet stalks. And at the back of the car, a completely carpeted and upholstered trunk hangs a billet "V8" emblem above a standard issue fire extinguisher.
Included with the sale of this cool custom '32 Ford Coupe is a stack of component manuals and a small album of build photos.
If you're looking for a street rod that'll part crowds, but isn't so moody it requires a trailer escort to get to the show, this awesome '32 Ford Coupe is your kind of car! With its super slick body, spectacular powertrain and supple interior, it wraps serious style and serious power in a package that you can cruise and enjoy. Classic good looks and modern hot rod technology packaged in a professional build that simply cannot be duplicated for anywhere near our unbeatable asking price? What more can you ask for?
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- 5417
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- Gasoline
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- Dual 4 Barrel
- Transmission Type
- 3 Speed Automatic
- Transmission Spec
- Turbohydramatic 350
- Transmission Number
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- AM/FM Radio
- Battery Location
- Trunk
- Battery Shut Off
- None
- Battery Charger
- None
- Power Steering
- No
- Air Conditioning
- No
- Interior Color
- Burgundy
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- Bench
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- Leather
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- 2
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- Black
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- 4-Link
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- 15x6.5"
- Rear Wheel Specification
- 17x10"
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- Disc
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- Dual Exhaust
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- Restored
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NFL Star Mourns Loss of 2-Year-Old Son
The young son of NFL star Adrian Peterson is dead. Authorities in Sioux Falls, South Dakota have charged 27-year-old Joseph Patterson, the boyfriend of the child's mother, with aggravated felony assault and battery of an infant.
There are also reports Patterson has also previously been accused of beating a three-year-old.
The tragedy with Peterson's child is unfortunately not an uncommon experience.
And one former Sacramento law enforcement official is speaking out about how parents can protect their children and make sure this doesn't happen to them.
KFBK Talk Show host and former Sacramento Sheriff John McGinness says this is a situation he has seen during his law enforcement experience far too often.
He says it's up the biological parent to know who they enter into a relationship with and make sure that person has an understanding of how to treat a child.
"And about how to handle a child, how to deal with a child when they cry, when they're colicky, when they're for whatever reason very difficult to satisfy and comfort," McGinness said.
And that that person can control themselves when he or she is angry.
"Know that in a fit of anger or rage, do not under any circumstances, shake that child," he said.


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Top 5 Flirting Techniques and the Fantasies They Create in Men's Minds
Think flipping your hair is a cute and innocent move? Our guy says think again…
-Matt Titus
Sorry ladies, but when a guy first approaches you, he's not thinking you look funny or intelligent – he's approaching you because he wants to see your clothes on his bedroom floor. Guys initially think with their "little heads," which are completely controlled by sexual desire and will fall for the simplest flirtatious sexual innuendo.
The good news is, you hold all the power in this initial meeting. His fantasies come from the mannerisms, gestures and subtle cues you send him. So, for every flirt you send him, the more he'll be motivated to approach you. My objective here is to give you the "flirtation formula," so you can then unleash your intelligence and inner beauty that will make him fall in love with you.
Read The To 5 Bedroom Moves That Will Rock His World
The power of the flirt is not in its mannerisms, but in the fantasy it creates in a man's mind. Here are the top five flirtations and the fantasies that they create:
1. Playing with your hair
When you put it up, he thinks of kissing the back of your neck. When you take it down, he thinks of pulling it during a heated night of sex.
2. Applying lipstick
When a woman takes out her compact and puckers her lips and opens her mouth while she puts on candy apple red lipstick, all bets are off. Any guy on earth can only think about making sure that lipstick somehow gets applied below his belt. Many men believe that fresh red ruby lips need to be smeared and corrupted from the heat of passion.
3. The lean and whisper
When you first meet a guy in a bar or lounge, nothing is better than leaning in and violating his personal space with a whisper. When a woman is confident and not afraid to get close to a guy she is attracted to, it makes her unique, sexy and insatiable. When your lips are an inch away from his ear or neck while you have an innocent conversation, all he can think about are completely wonderful, not innocent things.


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I just got 2 AWUS036H's in the mail today and can only say they are amazing. I had previously been using the BCM4312 that is built into my portable and after reading this I decided to test it out myself.
From a range of 5-10 meters from my own AP, I am seeing at least 3x the packets and beacons from the alfa than my broadcom. I am using the packaged 5db antenna and the house is constructed of solid concrete.
Attaching the 9db (also came with it) I don't see much change, but notice a slightly better connection (no more than 5-7 db).
Wondering if maybe you got bunk adapters I decided to try my other one, but the results were the same. I also had a friend setup an AP in his window and I was able to hit it from about 400 meters with the alfa, but the broadcom couldn't even pick it up. I suppose its still possible that you got a bad "card", or something between the signal and your PC isn't working properly.


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Hennepin County Medical Center offers pharmacy services throughout our system with convenient locations that allow you to access all of your healthcare needs in one place. Our expert pharmacy team will assist you in all of your pharmacy needs and offer additional support through Medication Therapy Management.
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|Neighborhood Clinic Locations
|North Loop Clinic Pharmacy
800 Washington Ave. N., Suite 190
Minneapolis, MN 55401
Monday, Thursday: 8:30AM - 7PM
Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday: 8:30AM - 5PM
Saturday 8:30AM - 11:30AM
|Richfield Clinic Pharmacy
790 W 66th Street
Richfield, MN 55423
Monday – Thursday: 9AM – 8PM
Friday: 9AM – 5PM
Saturday: 9AM – 12:30PM
St. Anthony Village Clinic Pharmacy
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2810 Nicollet Avenue
Minneapolis, MN 55404
Monday – Thursday: 8AM – 8:30PM
Friday: 8AM – 5:30PM
Saturday: 9AM – 12:30PM
|Downtown HCMC Campus Locations
|Purple 1 Community Pharmacy
717 South 7th Street, Purple Building, Level 1
Minneapolis, MN 55415
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Monday – Friday: 8AM - 6PM
Saturday: 9AM - 4:30PM
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900 South 8th Street, Blue Building, Level 1
Minneapolis, MN 55415
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900 South 8th Street, Green Building, Level 1
Minneapolis, MN 55415
Monday – Friday: 9AM - 5PM
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900 South 8th Street, Shapiro Building, Lower Level
Minneapolis, MN 55415
Employee line: 612-873-2233
Transplant line: 612-873-2070
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Across the United States, the term "smart growth" refers to smarter ways to grow in terms of building and land use. Its goal is to address a host of problems, including traffic congestion, soaring property taxes, horrific housing costs, suburban sprawl, urban disinvestment, and a decline in our quality of life.
New Jersey Future is a statewide research and policy group that advocates a smarter way to grow: one that protects open lands and natural resources, revitalizes neighborhoods and keeps all types of housing affordable, and provides more transportation choices.
Sharbell Development Corporation, along with Feinberg and Associates and the town of Robbinsville, NJ, won the 2010 New Jersey Future Smart Growth award for its Robbinsville Town Center.
The project team's core goal for this project involved creating a walkable and friendly (yet diverse) community. Housing styles within the center range from small-lot, single-family homes to duplexes, townhomes, and loft units. The result has attracted a wide range of residents – an appealing alternative to the typical cookie-cutter community, where each home looks alike and each resident fits the same profile.
Robbinsville Town Center cohesively blends retail and office space while integrating various types of residential dwellings, according to Tom Troy, principal of Sharbell Development Corporation.
The property's retail and office components also work to create a vibrant mix of uses. Two-thirds of the existing office space has been leased, and many restaurants and retailers are open. The tenants include an upscale gourmet Italian deli/market, a day spa/salon, a sushi restaurant, a men's shop, women's boutiques, etc.
It was designed to be a community where residents can easily access office buildings, stores, and restaurants on foot. It also includes wide-ranging public parks and lakes for resident enjoyment.


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Get an overview of this hotelColonial hotel in San Miguel de Allende with free valet parking
Popular property highlights
Located in the heart of San Miguel de Allende, this hotel is within a 5-minute walk of Santa Cruz del Chorro Chapel, Parish Church of San Miguel Arcangel, and Zocalo Folk Art. Temple of San Francisco and San Miguel de Allende Historical Museum are also within 5 minutes.
Hotel Features
This smoke-free hotel features concierge services, tour/ticket assistance, and free valet parking. WiFi in public areas is free.
Room Amenities
All rooms are individually decorated and offer free WiFi and in-room massages. Guests will also find LCD TVs with cable channels and safes.
Guest Highlights
- Comfortable rooms
- Good, quiet location
- Helpful staff
- Clean guestrooms
Casa Quetzal
Hotel Amenities
Hotel Amenities
Casa Quetzal features tour/ticket assistance and concierge services. Public areas are equipped with complimentary wireless Internet access. For a surcharge, a roundtrip airport shuttle (available on request) is offered to guests. Complimentary valet parking is available on site.
Casa Quetzal is a smoke-free property.
- Babysitting or childcare (surcharge)
- Airport transportation (surcharge)
- Total number of rooms - 12
- Number of floors - 1
- Concierge services
- Tours/ticket assistance
- Free WiFi
- Free valet parking
- Luggage storage
- Smoke-free property
- Number of buildings/towers - 2
Available in all rooms: Free WiFi
Available in some public areas: Free WiFi
Free valet parking
Room Amenities
- Daily housekeeping
- Private bathroom
- In-room massage available
- Hair dryer (on request)
- Bathtub or shower
- In-room safe
- Iron/ironing board (on request)
- Cable TV service
- Free WiFi
- Individually furnished
- Individually decorated
Spa Services
- Manicures and pedicures
- Massages
Hotel Policies
Check-in time starts at 3 PM
Special check-in instructions:
Check-out time is noon
Payment types
Children and extra beds
- Children are welcome.
- Rollaway/extra beds are not available.
- Cribs (infant beds) are not available.
- No pets or service animals allowed
You need to know
Extra-person charges may apply and vary depending on property policy.
Government-issued photo identification and a credit card or cash deposit are required at check-in for incidental charges.
Special requests are subject to availability upon check-in and may incur additional charges. Special requests cannot be guaranteed.
Debit cards not accepted
No rollaway/extra beds available
No cribs (infant beds) available
No elevators
No pets or service animals allowed
Optional extras
- Breakfast fee: MXN 100 per person (approximately)
Hotel Name
- Casa Quetzal
- Casa Quetzal Hotel
- Casa Quetzal Hotel San Miguel de Allende
- Casa Quetzal San Miguel de Allende
- Hotel Casa Quetzal
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This property offers transfers from the airport (surcharges may apply). Guests must contact the property with arrival details before travel, using the contact information on the booking confirmation. No pets and no service animals are allowed at this property.


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Miley Cyrus tops list of Most-Googled People
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Miley Cyrus has topped the list of this year's most-Googled people.
While the deaths of Nelson Mandela, Paul Walker and Cory Monteith dominated the year's top trending searches, musicians took over when it came to famous names being searched for around the world.
Rapper Drake is the runner-up after Miley, followed by Kim Kardashian, Justin Bieber and Beyonce. Kim's fiance Kanye West comes in at number ten, and Bieber's ex Selena Gomez shows up at number nine. Pop stars Katy Perry, Rihanna and Taylor Swift all appear as well.
Miley's explosive 2013 has earned her several other end-of-the-year accolades. She was shortlisted for "Time" magazine's Person of the Year honor, but lost the title to Pope Francis. The singer was, however, chosen as one of Barbara Walters' 10 Most Fascinating People. Her interview will air during the special Wednesday night on ABC.
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Gallery: San Antonio Spurs beat the Los Angeles Lakers 103-82 to sweep
Kobe Bryant on crutches drew the loudest applause of the day, and that says all that needs to be said about the 2012-13 Lakers.
A pregame entreaty from Coach Mike D'Antoni --- "Let's try for a miracle. Why not?" --- only underscored the task for the injury-depleted Lakers, who were dispatched from the Western Conference playoffs Sunday with a 103-82 loss to the San Antonio Spurs at Staples Center.
A season that began with the promise of Bryant, Steve Nash, Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol as pillars of a championship contender crumbled for the final time Sunday.
"It's like a nightmare, like a bad dream we couldn't wake up out of, that's what it felt like," said Howard, who was ejected in the third quarter after picking up his second technical foul of the game. "It seemed like nothing could go right from the start."
The Spurs swept the best-of-7 series and will go on to face either Golden State or Denver in the second round. It was the first time the Lakers have been swept in the first round since 1967.
Starting this morning as they begin their exit interviews, the Lakers will begin another journey, being swept up in the franchise's plans to retool this team --- and with which parts.
Can Bryant return to form after ripping his Achilles' tendon? Will Howard, basically rented for a season after being traded from Orlando, sign a contract with the Lakers or take his show on the road again?
Will Coach Mike D'Antoni be back? Club General Manager Mitch Kupchak has already said D'Antoni will be back, but things have a tendency to turn a quick corner in Lakerland.
When Gasol left the floor to a standing ovation in the waning moments, was the applause an appreciative gesture from fans who think he might not play another game for the Lakers?
"I guess there's a sense that there's a possibility that might happen," Gasol said. "It's not something that I've thought a lot about.. I always try to play my best, as if it's my last game.
"We competed as a team, and stayed together and that is the thought I will keep and for our future, who knows what is going to happen? I have no idea. Whatever happens is out of my reach and out of my control. But we'll see. There are different possibilities.
"I would like to be part of another championship team here, but it is not totally up to me."
This Lakers team never had a chance with Howard coming back from back surgery, Mike Brown being fired as coach and D'Antoni taking over after only five games. Injuries to Nash, Gasol, Steve Blake and D'Antoni's fits and starts with installing his influence hindered the team along the way, then Bryant's injury on the eve of the playoffs all but dashed their postseason hopes.
"It was a rocky year," Howard said. "A lot of things happened that I didn't have any control over. I think I handled some situations good and I think I handled some situations bad but it's a growing process.
"Keep growing, keep learning, and that's why we have an offseason. We get an opportunity to reflect on all the good and bad things that happened during the season and I'll try to make it better for next year."
Before the game, the Lakers passed out white towels to the fans in attendance. No, little flagpoles were not included.
With Bryant, Nash, Metta World Peace, Blake and Jodie Meeks all sidelined by various injuries, the Lakers had to make a go of it again with young guards Andrew Goudelock and Darius Morris, with Chris Duhon in reserve.
The plan was to have Gasol and Howard be the driving force in the middle, but that's a tough task with attrition and, eventually, Howard's ejection. The game was decided by then, when the Spurs held a 21-point lead.
"I've just got to do a better job of keeping my cool," Howard said. "It's very tough, you're out there playing most of the game, I don't want to lose and sometimes when things don't go your way, sometimes you react the wrong way and I've just got to keep my cool."
Gasol led the Lakers with 16 points and eight rebounds. Goudelock had 16 points, 10 coming in the fourth quarter when the Lakers trailed by 20 points.
"They fought as hard as they could fight and as a coach, I appreciated it," D'Antoni said. "I hated that injuries started mounting up and stuff happens. It was a kind of year that was all upside down.
"We didn't finish the season like we wanted to and we regretted going 17-25 (to start), where we had to pull all the stops out and guys had to basically play playoff basketball for three months. "We didn't have a chance to rest guys, we had to get to the playoffs and it went south. A lot of freaky stuff happened."
Morris and Goudelock, who combined for 44 points in Friday's Game 3 loss, were suddenly a known quantity for the Spurs to dissect, and predictably, they struggled. Morris finished with eight points on 3-for-12 shooting.
Tony Parker had 23 points for San Antonio, which is seeking its fifth NBA championship.
For the Lakers, the miracle work is just beginning. It might be just as freaky as the season.


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