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House Budget Committee Chairman, Paul Ryan, introduced his budget resolution for fiscal 2012 and beyond today entitled "The Path to Prosperity." The plan would cut some spending programs, reduce top income tax rates, and reform Medicare and Medicaid. The following two charts compare spending levels under Chairman Ryan's plan and President Obama's recent budget (as scored by the Congressional Budget Office).
Downsizing Blog
Medicare and Medicaid Reform
House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) is proposing reforms to Medicare and Medicaid as part of his budget proposal for fiscal 2012. Readers who are interested in getting a better understanding of these pillars of the federal welfare state should check out two Cato essays on our Downsizing Government website.
Largest Spending Cut Ever?
The Washington Post said today that a plan to "cut $33 billion from the federal budget" would be "the largest one-time reduction in U.S. history."
Easter Bunny's Burden
From Pennsylvania, bad news for chocolate lovers:
2011 Budget Battle in Perspective
Today the Cato Institute placed an ad in major newspapers highlighting specific spending cuts that policymakers should make to restore our country's fiscal sanity and economic stability. Our public call for policymakers to demonstrate leadership on spending cuts comes in the midst of the on-going battle on Capitol Hill over funding the government for the remainder of fiscal 2011.
Are Farm Subsidies Progressive?
An economist in the Department of Agricultural and Consumer Economics at the University of Illinois posted an interesting entry on the FarmDocDaily blog yesterday, claiming that farm subsidies flowing to the biggest farms is a sign of progressivity.
Lugar Targets Federal Sugar Racket
The federal government has been meddling with sugar production since 1934. Today's convoluted system of supply controls, price supports, and trade restrictions benefits domestic sugar producers at the expense of consumers and utilizing industries. In other words, sugar producers "win" and the rest of the country "loses."
A New Low for GOP's 'YouCut'
Last year the House Republican leadership created the GOP's "YouCut" website, which offers several possible spending cuts for citizens to vote on. The cut with the most votes goes to the House floor for an up-or-down vote. It's a decent idea, but unfortunately, most of the cuts the GOP have offered thus far only amount to chump change.
"Entitlements" and the Federal Budget
A new Cato Policy Analysis from Michael Tanner examines so-called "entitlement programs" – chiefly Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid – and how they will push the government's finances to the brink if they're not reined in. As he notes in the introduction, if politicians continue to duck the issue, they "will condemn our children and our grandchildren to a world of mounting debt and higher taxes."
Electric Vehicle Subsidies
An op-ed in the Wall Street Journal written by the American Council for Capital Formation's Margo Thorning makes a good case for "pulling the plug" on subsidies for electric vehicles. Subsidies for alternative energy vehicles have been popular with both Democrat and Republican administrations, but the Obama administration has been a particularly enthusiastic supporter of industrial planning.

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By Jake Landers
Published January 2012
It really doesn't smell as bad as you might think from its name. Another name for it is Perfume Bush. If beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, then fragrance is in the nose of the smeller. After all, the faint odor of a skunk is pleasing to some people. The odor of Skunkbush to me is tolerable, not perfumy, and distinct enough to identify on a dark night or blindfolded when you smell a crushed leaf.
Skunkbush is also called Skunkbush Sumac which relates it to other members of the Sumac family. These include Flameleaf, Evergreen, Littleleaf, etc., but its leaves look more like Poison Oak. They are in clusters of three, usually smaller than its poisonous cousin's and a little less pointy. Its berries are deep red-orange and fuzzy, maybe a dozen in a cluster at the tip of the branch, but you don't see them every year. (Poison oak has white berries.) They have a sour lemon taste, similar to the Flameleaf Sumac, either of which could flavor a good lemonade drink, that is, if you don't have to prepare it for a large thirsty crowd. Skunkbush berries are usually too scarce for more than a thimbleful.
The importance of Skunkbush in Texas is the browse that it provides for deer and goats. It has been killed out of heavily stocked goat pastures. Where it is most common is in the protected edge of a Shinoak thicket and in roadsides and park areas protected from livestock. It spreads out with slow growing sprouts much too slowly to break even with the losses from heavy browsing. Quality is high throughout the summer. It has probably started increasing in those areas of the hill country, once traditional sheep and goat raising rangeland, now given up to coyotes and cattle, but it will remain rare for a long time.
Other names include Polecat bush, Fragrant sumac, Sweet-scented sumac, Lemon sumac and the scientific name Rhus aromatica. A newer scientific name is Rhus trilobata. To add to the scientific confusion there are two named varieties in Texas, var. flabelliformis and var. pilosissima, based on the shape and hairiness of the leaves. I wonder if they smell the same.
Reading The Landscape
Winter scene along U.S. Highway 83 in Menard County, Texas. What trees are present, what is the red grass in the background, and what is the condition of the pasture? Click here for my answer.
Tiny white flower appear in the spring ahead of the leaves. The fuzzy berries mature early in the summer and quickly disappear with use by wildlife. The leaves turn colors of red and yellow in the fall but not as striking as the more impressive Flameleaf sumac.
Delena Tull, in "Edible and Useful Plants of Texas and the Southwest," reports that Native Americans used limber branches of Skunkbush to make baskets, and the way to get long flexible shoots was to collect the sprouts after a wildfire. She also writes that the Sumacs in general have many medicinal qualities, were once important in tanning leather and dyeing cloth, and that some cause dermatitis when handled by some people.
Skunkbush can be found from Texas to Canada and east to New England and Florida. Its wide distribution, shrubby habit without thorns, attractive berries and fall colors, and its aromatic foliage, make it an attractive native plant for landscaping according to Sally Wasowski. If you are interested in growing it on your own, some good hints on seed germination are provided by Jill Nokes in "How to Grow Native Plants"—acid scarify for 30-50 minutes, then stratify immediately for 30-60 days at 41 degrees F. Maybe it could become as popular in landscaping as other natives such as Cenizo and Autumn Sage.
The scene is a well managed pasture with Live oak, Mesquite and Pricklypear having been controlled on this deep soil, with a Little Bluestem colony in the background, suggesting light grazing through the summer. —JL


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The article name is Tsukiyomi and that is what was in the article. 220.127.116.11 changed this to Tsukuyomi in this diff. Can someone verify this? ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Nov 27, 2007 @ 04:17 (UTC)
- Nothing to worry about. Infact that IP caught a mistake. Its is spelled Tsukuyomi, but was spelled wrong here. I redirected it to its actual article.--TheUltimate3 05:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Sasuke and Tsukuyomi?
Has it been confirmed that Sasuke can use the Tsukuyomi? In many other pages, it continously says "presumably". This is just out of curiosity, and I would like to know. Thanks for those who help me out with this. 18.104.22.168 23:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Sasuke never used tsukuyomi. And where did the info came that all all mangekyo sharingan can use tsukuyomi isn`t tsukuyomi a special ablility only possesed by itachi with his mangekyo?--Kevinhomaster 07:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I thought that it was just Itachi because he was a very strong ninja, especially in the area of Genjutsu, that could use it. Of course I could be wrong...if anyone finds the answer it would be helpful if they could tell me. THANKS! Haku711 13:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Slowing Down
Is it possible for the Tsukuyomi to slow down the opponent. Look at Naruto Ultimate ninja Storm videos. Please could someone answer? Malkhawam HM 07:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
Tsukuyomi has been shown to but the victim in a very real and very painful Genjutsu. If it is slowing someone down, it is because their mind is getting screwed beyond reason. It doesn't actually slow anyone down.--TheUltimate3 12:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Would this Slowing Down happen in the real world. Malkhawam HM 13:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
- No. Because Tsukuyomi doesn't actually slow you down. It's a genjutsu that effects the brain, not the body.--TheUltimate3 13:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Would the opponent slow down in the real world (at least a little) because of the genjutsu effects on the brain? Malkhawam HM 13:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
- If someone is running at top speed at the user, and the user uses Tsukuyomi, the victim will stop in his tracks as he will suddenly find himself in the genjutsu. If he doesn't slow down, he will fall straight to the ground as his mind is no longer "in" his body but within the genjutsu. He will in no way shape or form, slow down like you see in the Ninja Storm games.--TheUltimate3 13:17, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
If you have seen Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm videos and shows it would seem like in the other world for tsukuyomi it would slow down the user (but mostly for Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm and look when itachi does his awakening mode for Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm he would clearly be seen using the technique). Am I right? Malkhawam HM 13:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
It slows down the victims perception of time, by the amount the user wants it. It doesn't however actually slow the victim down.--TheUltimate3 13:29, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
If you have seen Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm videos Itachi could be seen using Tsukuyomi (not an ougi) the taunt and slow down the opponent (even though i don't know if that is the real world). So do you go an answer? Malkhawam HM 13:40, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
- Sigh* You are still not getting the difference between canon (manga/anime as this wiki is concerned) and non-canon (movies and games). I've been giving you an answer which you have been ignoring so I am going to say this one last time: Tsukuyomi does NOT slow the person down. If they are running at top speed, and they get it by the Tsukuyomi, they will still be running at top speed when it dissipates. The slow down mechanic which you are hopping on constantly is a GAME-PLAY MECHANIC that exists because a instantaneous, perception destroying genjutsu can not actually function in a game in anything other than a cut scene, and even then video games tend to throw the physics of techniques out the window. So again for the last time, Tsukuyomi does not slow the person down, no matter what you see it can do in the video games.--TheUltimate3 13:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
He's right. It's just something that they added in to make the game more fun. Like in the game if you use Anko's special jutsu,the one where snakes wrap around you and your opponent, you won't take any damage. But, in the real world, it's a suicide technique that kills you and your opponent. BTW How did she survive? I am missing that information. Could someone please fill me in? THANKS! Haku711 13:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- If you are refering to how she survived when she used it in the manga/anime, she never completed the jutsu, as Orochimaru warned her that the Orochimaru she was going to kill was a clone (a shadow clone in the manga, a earth/mud clone in the anime). Jacce 14:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks I've been missing that info for a while! I didn't know she could just stop it like that... COOL! Anyway thanks againHaku711 14:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- She haden't come that far, merly grabbing Orochimaru's hand and forming the seal. Jacce 14:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
shouldn't we put Madara as a user, because Itachi said that Madar could use all four Mangekyo techniques?
- It was a mistranslation, Itachi was talking about Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. Jacce | Talk 19:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Madara says that he will use the Infinite Tsukuyomi, so should we put him down as a user? Yatanogarasu 21:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- Wants to be a user of infinate tysukyuomi, not original, it seems as every person with MS has Tysukyomi, Madara would probably have to have the technique if he wanted to use infinite tysukyomi because just becoming a Jinchuuriki does not give his MS Tysukuomi but would give him the power to be able to cast it on the moon so everyone would be under his genjutsu. So in short he wants to be able to use Infinite MS, but would require the techique (Tysukuomi) before hand to be able to use the Infinate MS. Hidan13 (talk) 16:41, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
Because this revert war can go as long as I can make it....
...we're gonna discuss. As of now, we know the requirements to use Susanoo is to first be able to use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. We've seen Sasuke use Amaterasu and go to town with Susanoo, and we've seen him use a genjutsu that looked exactly like Tsukuyomi against Killer Bee, but he didn't say it's name. So logic tells that Sasuke can indeed use Tsukuyomi. Thoughts, translations to help with this. Ect, ect.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 20:39, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- Talk:Sasuke Uchiha#Susanoo?. A similar argument, where it was decided that he can use Tsukuyomi as well--AlienGamer--Talk (contribs)-- 20:47, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- We can't dogmatically assume that Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi because he can use the other two MS techniques. For all we know, there's a reason Kishi never stated he used Tsukuyomi. It's possibly the reason Susanoo is imperfect. Tsukuyomi is the only MS technique Sasuke has never been referred to as using, added to the fact that theories stated in the manga have been - more than once - later proven to be false. Take the example I stated earlier; Itachi stated that one must kill their best friend in order to achieve the MS, but Kakashi had no one close to him and achieved it, which strongly suggests that Itachi's - and in effect, Madara's - belief was false (Sasuke's case is still debatable). My point being, we have no surefire concrete basis for undeniably believing that Sasuke has Tsukuyomi. --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 20:50, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- Except by definition of Susanoo, the user must have already known Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. Using what we know, Sasuke must be able to use Tsukuyomi.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 20:53, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- Except the statement you're referring to was stated in-universe (meaning it is what the characters believe, not necessarily what's confirmed). By definition, a user must kill their best friend to receive the Mangekyou Sharingan. Remember that? And the last point, Sasuke has still never stated, nor has it been stated by anyone else, in-universe or out, that he can or has ever used Tsukuyomi. Anything more is - by definition - speculation. --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 20:57, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- Wait, you're saying what is stated in the story to be speculation because it has a chance to be changed? Is that your argument? Because that is extremely flimsy at best.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:17, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- (sigh) No, no, no. I'm saying something that is officially unconfirmed and speculative shouldn't be accepted and stated as fact as it can be changed. --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 21:20, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- And yet, it is not "officially unconfirmed" and "speculative" because we were told (I believe it was in the databook, because that is what our databook translator said in the discussion AlienGamer posted above) the user of Susanoo must master Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Therefore, Sasuke using Susanoo means he must, until proven otherwise, use Tsukuyomi.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:25, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- (sigh) No, no, no. I'm saying something that is officially unconfirmed and speculative shouldn't be accepted and stated as fact as it can be changed. --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 21:20, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Whoa, whoa! Wait a minute: "it is not "officially unconfirmed" and "speculative" because we were told (I believe it was in the databook, because that is what our databook translator said in the discussion AlienGamer posted above) the user of Susanoo must master Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi." If it was stated in a databook, you should have said so sooner. Post a scan of the page as proof, because I read that conversation, and I didn't see one databook reference. --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 21:31, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- EDIT: Found a link to mangahelpers via ShounenSuki. Read Susanoo, and that was good enough for me. Feel free to add Sasuke's name back. --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 21:38, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- o.O O.o wha? That's it?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:40, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- (quote)"The two doujutsu that only those who have activated the "Mangekyou Sharingan" are permitted to use~~ "Amaterasu²," denoting the "light of the material world" and "Tsukuyomi³," symbolising the "darkness of the spiritual world"~~ Only those who have activated the "Mangekyou Sharingan" -the heavenly eyes that see without obstruction the truth of all of creation- are permitted to use these two doujutsu. Dwelling only in those who have grasped both of these technique is the power of a tempestuous god... that is "Susanoo"."(end quote)
- Yep, that's it. --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 21:44, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- (quote)"The two doujutsu that only those who have activated the "Mangekyou Sharingan" are permitted to use~~ "Amaterasu²," denoting the "light of the material world" and "Tsukuyomi³," symbolising the "darkness of the spiritual world"~~ Only those who have activated the "Mangekyou Sharingan" -the heavenly eyes that see without obstruction the truth of all of creation- are permitted to use these two doujutsu. Dwelling only in those who have grasped both of these technique is the power of a tempestuous god... that is "Susanoo"."(end quote)
- o.O O.o wha? That's it?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:40, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- EDIT: Found a link to mangahelpers via ShounenSuki. Read Susanoo, and that was good enough for me. Feel free to add Sasuke's name back. --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 21:38, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
How do we know it is unique to the Uchiha clan?
ShieldmaidenI live by honor and die like a warrior 13:38, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
"Red moon" reference
Just where exactly in the [Black and white] manga was it shown? I saw no such red moon when Itachi used it in part one, and the databook makes no mention of a red moon. If anyone did and insist on keeping that part in article without clarifying it as part of anime [which it is to begin with], I'd like you to specifically reference it in the manga to avoid any further confusion. As you'll see, there is no red moon or even atmoshpere when Itachi demonstrated the jutsu. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/142/17-18/ http://mjv6qw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pOrc_tko15F8btQWVzTqmYeiNa-48RXDzZuwbQ1i3v7QcevMyA8ZGvvKSD-A9wmR8l_blJvFKZoYEYXV6Pterib635ZKUYl6K/redmoon2.jpg
The area in the manga is completely dark. Listing such as a trait of the jutsu without clarifying it is thus inaccurate as it's not canonical.Wreiad (talk) 12:06, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
- Being that the manga is black and white kinda does that to color don't you think? The anime is able to show a lot more of things that are limited by the small panels in the manga. Thus far, we've seen in color (in the anime, obviously) and it had the red moon, which caused the introverted colors and what not. But I'll do some rewriting because you made such a long post and I'm sure your gonna bite me if I don't.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 12:53, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
- I take that back, there is no way to rewrite it without going into a bunch of unnecessary babble because I made my point above.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 12:55, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
- Tell me, where on that page do you see a moon, let alone a red one?Wreiad (talk) 16:49, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
- The very pictures you linked. Like I just said, we've seen it in color (gray-scale, as seen in the manga, the red moon to explain the gray-scale we see in the anime) and thus it is mentioned. If you wanna be difficult and shoehorn a "anime only" reference someone in there, be my guest just don't do it in a way that screws with the flow of the article.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 18:10, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
- The place you chose to add (anime only) suggests that the color inversion is unique to the anime, which it isn't. Tsukuyomi illusions are white lines on a black page instead of the usual black lines on white pages. ~SnapperTo 18:29, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
- Tell me, where on that page do you see a moon, let alone a red one?Wreiad (talk) 16:49, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
- I take that back, there is no way to rewrite it without going into a bunch of unnecessary babble because I made my point above.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 12:55, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
Clearance: Genjutsu from chapter 478
The genjutsu used by Sasuke in chapter 478 cannot be concluded to be Tsukuyomi because there is no substantial evidence to support that. Let's revisit older chapters and put this into perspective. Sasuke's first use of genjutsu with his Mangekyo Sharingan was in chapter 408, page 3. Here, he easily breaks the will of the Cloud shinobi after Suigetsu failed to do so with his physical prowess, and the cloud shinobi is paralyzed. Let's do recall that Kisame claimed Itachi's genjutsu [Tsukuyomi] was known to break the will of victims [chapter 142, page 9], and Kakashi experienced paralysis [Or fatigue] after it was used. Even Karin knew Sasuke's genjutsu would work. Why? One can therefore make a reasonable assumption that Sasuke's genjutsu from that particular chapter was Tsukuyomi. Moving on to chapter 413 page 9, he does the same thing again, only this time we see the inverted colors, and it's broken. This is important. Let's go back to chapter 388. Here, Sasuke breaks Tsukuyomi. Like Killer Bee after him, Sasuke is fatigued and can barely move for a certain amount of time. Not only that, but Itachi, user of said genjutsu, experiences slight fatigue to the extent where he also collapses and has pain in his eye. When Killer Bee broke Tsukuyomi, Sasuke experienced fatigue to the extent where his reactions were quite slowed [He is hit by a Lariat] and his eye is pained as well. This is important; All the above is missing when Sasuke used his genjutsu on Danzo. It is shown that one shouldn't be able to attack during or after Tsukuyomi's duration, and Sasuke was about to do just that while Danzo was distracted. To summerize:
1) The colors are not inverted. Unlike his prior genjutsu, this one features no inverted colors.
2) Sasuke experiences no fatigue. Unlike his other genjutsu that was broken [That was again, broken], this particular genjutsu caused him no fatigue and he was about to follow it up with an attack.
3) Danzo experiences no fatigue. Sasuke has his eye removed, and he later collapses after the genjutsu is used. Killer Bee is stabbed and collapes. Danzo is burned and nothing happens? It's like how Naruto is hit by several shuriken and choked, and nothing happens to him. Seem familiar?
4) Sasuke's eye is not strained. And the last important one. Both times when Tsukuyomi was broken, the user was holding their eye. Not once in this chapter Sasuke stop to hold his eye.
So who are we kidding here? This was a "normal" genjutsu meant as a distraction, as I especially don't think someone is effectively locked into using Tsukuyomi while they have the Mangekyo activated and can't use other genjutsu; Tsukuyomi shouldn't be the exclusive genjutsu of the Mangekyo Sharingan. Let's also keep in mind what happened after Itachi used genjutsu on Naruto and it was broken. The exact same seems to have occured here. Finally, we can't just blindly take what a character says without looking for the conflicting evidence. Madara for example claims Sasuke's pure hate enabled him to break the cursed seal. Sasuke's thoughts on the other hand, show that his love for Itachi instead fuels him.Wreiad (talk) 19:57, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Your points are explained by Sasuke not being as skilled with Tsukuyomi as Itachi is, which is what Danzo says. Also, Sasuke's hate for Danzo and love for Itachi go hand-in-hand, so that's not conflicting. ~SnapperTo 20:10, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Or he just used a regular genjutsu? We should show evidence that Sasuke was using Tsukuyomi to put that i. So far, I don't think he has in that particular. I alreay pointed out how Tsukuyomi's inverted colors and how it causes fatigue and eye pain when it's broken, so this has nothing to do with skill and don't ignore that much.Wreiad (talk) 22:00, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
- The end of chapter 387 and the start of 388 are a Tsukuyomi illusion and the colors don't become inverted until Sasuke starts to break it. Inverted colors are a characteristic, not a requirement. In regards to chapter 413, you are giving too much attention to one panel. Sasuke is not aware that Bee has broken the illusion. He lets his guard down and for that gets Lariat'd. The pain it causes him is also clearly not as bad as what Itachi experienced, so logically he could ignore the discomfort and continue attacking if he wanted to, as he does with Danzo. Again, Danzo says Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is not as sophisticated, which means the penalties of using it would not be nearly as bad as Itachi's. ~SnapperTo 04:27, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Or he just used a regular genjutsu? We should show evidence that Sasuke was using Tsukuyomi to put that i. So far, I don't think he has in that particular. I alreay pointed out how Tsukuyomi's inverted colors and how it causes fatigue and eye pain when it's broken, so this has nothing to do with skill and don't ignore that much.Wreiad (talk) 22:00, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Danzo doesn't say that Sasuke's genjutsu is Tsukuyomi, however. I'd say that's a misreading of the line:
- HisshouBuraiKen: Danzo: I'll commend you for actually trapping me in a [genjutsu]. However... [. . .] Compared to Itachi's Tsukuyomi, where he could alter your perception of time at his whim... You're as far below him as the land is below the sky.
- There is just no element of the sentence that says—or implies—that it's Tsukuyomi. Bvdan (talk) 17:10, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
- It is implied by the fact that he's comparing the genjutsu to Itachi's Tsukuyomi, which he wouldn't feel the need to do if he was talking about any other genjutsu, as a genjutsu that can alter the perception of time has never been shown other then Tsukuyomi, thus it wouldn't be an insult to go "That generic genjutsu you just used is less powerful then a genjutsu which uses an immense amount of chakra, is a kekkei genkai, and screws over your eyesight, from a master of genjutsu." Now would it? 184.108.40.206 (talk) 13:27, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
maybe all of MS jutsus are meant to be practiced and master each with a level increasing every time a the user practice it or undergoes emotional distressed--188.8.131.52 (talk) 04:58, March 21, 2010 (UTC)eternaluchiha95
You all have very good points on why Sasuke's genjutsu isn't Tsukuyomi, but Madara has implied that he does have it. Sasuke says, during the Kage Summit, that the third eye power Susanoo is used when one has two Mangekyo, and later, Madara elaborates by saying one must have awakened Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to use Susanoo. Since Sasuke can use Susanoo, we can then confirm that he too can use Tsukuyomi. ~NOTASTAFF Ryun Uchiha (Ten Tailed Fox, Getsueikirite-taichou) (talk) 16:03, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
He wasn't arguing that Sasuke didn't have Tsukuyomi but rather that he didn't use it when he was fighting Danzo. It seemed like Danzo was comparing Sasuke to Itachi in Genjutsu skill. As he stated he compared Sasuke's "Genjutsu" to Itachi's "Tsukuyomi". Using basic English knowledge this does not indicate at all that Sasuke uses Tsukuyomi but rather that he used a genjutsu that wasn't on par with Tsukuyomi.--22.214.171.124 (talk) 22:41, March 27, 2010 (UTC) Danzo just said "You'r genjutsu's nice but compared to Itachi's tsukoyomi it is nothing"
User: Madara?
If mAdara plans on making an infinite tsukuyomi, why isn't he listed? —This unsigned comment was made by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs) .
- Because wanting to use doesn't mean he can use. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:30, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
- He can use it though. He has the Mangekyo Sharingan. He'll be able to use an Infinite Tsukuyomi after he gets the Ten-Tailed beast, however, he should have the normal one.--NaruHina fan (talk) 20:44, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
how to defeat Tsukuyomi?
i have one question in naruto data book 2 , it was said that the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors , and the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1304245&postcount=1 and it was also said in fan book 2 that sarutobi hiruzen in his prime could defeat mangekyou sharingan and EMs teqniques http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=724345&postcount=1 then is that means that it should be add to Tsukuyomi page ? or i got the wrong idea ? —This unsigned comment was made by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs) .
Sasuke breaking Tsukuyomi?
In the episode "Truth" (I don't really read manga) Madara said that Sasuke didn't see anything true about Itachi, nor did he break any of his genjutsu. So, does that mean he can't break Tsukuyomi?—This unsigned comment was made by Aty123321 (talk • contribs) .
- I think Madara was using a metaphor. Itachi pretended to wanting Sasuke's eyes and that he was a criminal, while he in reality wanted to save his brother and really was an infiltrator and a hero. Itachi's acting skills was like a genjutsu, one that Sasuke never managed to break. Also, sign your posts with ~~~~. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 13:17, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
There are 5 reasons Sasuke and no one else could break out of Itachi's Tsukyomi: 1. Sasuke has a sharingan (So does Kakshi but that did no good) 2. Sasuke is an immediate blood relative (that rules out a lot of the ninja world) 3. Itachi was weak due to his illness 4. Itachi did not intend to win (for all we know, Sasuke may have never broken out in the first place. Maybe itachi let him out and made it seem like Sasuke did it on his own.) 5. Plot device 6. —This unsigned comment was made by Akatsuki rulz (talk • contribs) .
Alright, let me get something straight, once and for all. Acording to Kakashi, Itachi and a particular Databook, if a non-Sharingan user is caught in Itachi's Tsukuyomi, he is as good as a drooling vegetable, is that correct? 220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:26, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
How much proof is there that TObi can use it?
PLease I want to be sure. —This unsigned comment was made by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) .
- Apart from the fact that he said he was going to cast an infinite version of it on the world, not a lot.--Cerez365™20px 14:00, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
Wait a minute...
I might not exist in this wiki, but I noticed something that bugs me. How is the Shield of Black Flames a combination of Tsukuyomi and Susanoo? It says in the "Derived Jutsu" part of the infobox that the Shield of Black Flames is a derived jutsu of the Susanoo and Tsukuyomi. I know that to awaken Susanoo you need the Tsukuyomi, but that doesn't mean that the Tsukuyomi itself is used in the Shield of Black Flames. I won't edit that myself in case you know something that I don't and I have it wrong. Also, on the SoBF page, Tsukuyomi is listed as a parent jutsu. (I am acting dumb. I know it's just an error. Please, don't think I'm dumb.) Max042599 (talk) 23:06, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
The eye that possesses Tsukuyomi is used to shape manipulate the flames (Blaze Release) onto Susanoo. Skitts (talk) 23:12, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
- (edit conflict x3) Your explanation was a bit speculative Skitts. Max, that's just a concept to show which technique requires which other technique. Usually, a derived technique is just a variation of the original, but in this case, it's different. Susanoo itself doesn't use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, but awakening and being able to use them is required to use Susanno, so Tsukuyomi is listed as a grandparent technique to all techniques which require Susanoo. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:15, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
@Omni ? Isn't that exactly what C said when he questioned if Sasuke's was even more skilled with Amaterasu than Itachi? Skitts (talk) 23:17, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Just because the manipulation comes from the same eye, it doesn't mean it's Tsukuyomi necessarily. I'd say that it would come from something that is broader than Tsukuyomi, which would be Yin Release, assuming it will turn out to be present in all genjutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:21, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
But I didn't say Tsukuyomi was used to manipulate it. o.O Skitts (talk) 23:34, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
- I derped, I read that the left eye used Tsukuyomi to manipulate the flames, by bad. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:47, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
counter tsukuyomi
i want to know the powers or ninja who can defeat tsukuyomi . is it limited to only skilled uchiha with shringan or one of its evolution ( mangekyou , eternal mangekyou , rinnegan ) ? or skilled ninja like hokages , kages and akatsuki members could stand a chance ? , because i did not get it from 2nd databook . please answer me and not deleting my post !--22.214.171.124 (talk) 14:34, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
i know and i did not say it is , but i think it is said in 2nd data book that sharingan user and skilled ninja could break it , so i want to know .--220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:05, December 28, 2011 (UTC) and i read in saiyanisland translation for 2nd fanbook also that sarutobi hiruzen can counter every jutsu in konoha like mangekyou nd eternal mangekyou sharingan jutsu , so because i trust this wiki i want to know is that true ? , and if it is , so why it was not added to the page ?--22.214.171.124 (talk) 15:05, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
- Countering doesn't necessarily means defeating, I think. Sasuke was able to break Tsukuyomi with just a Sharigan. Hiruzen is already listed as knowing about all the techniques from Konoha, that's relevant to his article, there's no point in going in all technique articles used by Konoha nin and adding that Hiruzen knew how to counter it. Danzo broke through Sasuke's Mangekyo genjutsu didn't he? Despite the discussions on whether it was indeed Tsukuyomi or not, it was a MS genjutsu, and he broke through it, no reason to think Hiruzen wouldn't be able to do it as well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:36, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
i got it . so the only power is known untill now to break it is a skilled uchiha with a sharingan , but there are many methods to counter it like not make a direct contact with eyes like what guy did before . but untill now only a skilled sharingan user is needed to break it . ok i got it . thank you very much for answering my question and sorry if my words and punctuation was not good !--188.8.131.52 (talk) 21:56, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
Bloody hand
During the fight against Sasuke, when Itachi used this technique, the blood that got on his hands when he removed Sasuke's eye remained even after the genjutsu wore off, the same thing about the eyeball he took out (though that could be wrong). Shouldn't this be noted, it bears resemblance to the fact that genjutsu is presumed to be connected with Yin Release and the Second Mizukage's genjutsu after-effects may be similar to Tsukuyomi. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:02, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
What are you trying to say ? --Elveonora (talk) 15:18, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
- *sighs* Just wondering if every strong and powerful genjutsu can have effects on the real world, and noting that the blood in the genjutsu came to life. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 15:27, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
- Genjutsu is the manipulation of the brain through the manipulation of chakra flow. If the brain thinks something is happening to you then that becomes your reality. When the genjutsu is broken the brain regains normal function. But in cases when the genjutsu is extremely powerful(tsukuyomi for example) the brain would be in shock due to the stress that the genjutsu have caused. The genjutsu becomes the brain's reality as long as it's caught in the technique, but in the end, genjutsu is all illusionary. There is no known user who could turn illusion to reality. As for your first comment, there was no sign of blood on any of Itachi's hands after Sasuke dispelled his Tsukuyomi. Blood eventually got on his hands, but that's when Sasuke wounded him with the rigged Fuma shuriken and when he started coughing blood due to his condition.YonbiAzai (talk) 16:50, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
The only genjuts that affects reality is Izanagi --Elveonora (talk) 18:47, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
Kurama clan can turn genjutsu into reality but the blood on the hand after the genjutsu wore off is likely a mistake by the anime designers --Zenryoku90 (talk) 18:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
- Kurama clan also isn't canon. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:01, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
So filler anime isnt considered cannon? if not then my bad i was unaware, i was under the presumption anything related to the anime or manga be it filler or not was classified as cannon. --Zenryoku90 (talk) 21:21, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
- We list anime-only content in articles, but they're not considered canon. We list them because loads of people know Naruto only from the anime. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:45, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
Ahrite makes sense, cheers for clearing it up for me --Zenryoku90 (talk) 22:10, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
Something in anime-fillers may be canon though, if it uses manga as basics. Like Tobi while talking about his Moon Eye plan, the hosts and their tailed beasts were shown and as that was based off manga material it's canon. --Elveonora (talk) 22:52, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
- Anime simply shifts when something happens sometimes, and besides, they simply expanded on what the manga showed. When Tobi told that story in the manga, you see images of the tailed beasts in the background. Anime simply made it more explicit. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:21, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
That's what I meant, the "filling" is sometimes based on manga ... but the arcs themselves are non-canon, some are good though :) Also some are tricky like the 3tails one, the arc itself has expanded the capture from as shown in manga thus canon but the characters like Guren etc. are not. --Elveonora (talk) 23:24, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
- The subject was canon, but just that, as the arc completely deviates from the manga. Enough with the forum talk. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:30, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
Sasuke CAN'T use Tsukuyomi: Proof
Read this guy's posts: http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=684165 —This unsigned comment was made by Patsoumas1995 (talk • contribs) .
- We are not here to discuss forums. Sasuke used Tsukoyomi on Zetsu IIRC. The forum is 2 years ago as well. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me) 12:05, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
Sasuke used simple Sharingan genjutsu on Zetsu. And both of you failed to understand what this guy says, if you even bothered to read it. I didn't post it to discuss. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 12:51, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Sasuke's use of Tsukuyomi as seen being used on Danzo. Tobi himself stated that Sasuke's version was nowhere near as powerful as Itachi's etc…--Cerez365™20px(talk) 12:55, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter what that guy said, the databooks are a more reliable source of info than any random person on the internet, and the databook says that Sasuke has to be able to use Tsukuyomi to use Susanoo. TricksterKing (talk) 12:58, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
No. The databook says that for Itachi. The databook also says that Susanoo comes with Totsuka no Tsuruki & Yata no Kagami. Sasuke has none of those. The databook was released before Sasuke awakened the Susanoo. Danzo compared Sasuke's genjutsu with Itachi's Tsukuyomi. No one ever called Sasuke's genjutsu as Tsukuyomi. Tsukuyomi gives the user the power to control space & time in the victim's mind according to the manga & databook. Sasuke has NEVER done this. Seriously, did you bothered to read this random's guy post?Patsoumas1995 (talk) 13:18, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- You expect us to take the words and beliefs of some completely random person who has never made any contributions to the making of Naruto over the official databooks? --Speysider (Talk Page) 13:20, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
I ask again: Did you read it? He is not saying his opinion, for fucks sake. He is analizing facts. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 13:24, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm now going to ignore you because there is no reason whatsoever to curse because you aren't getting your own way. --Speysider (Talk Page) 13:25, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- It's better that way. You obviously didn't read the post, which goes by everything the databooks & manga say, while you think it's just a guy saying his opinion. Seriously, This wiki is the best I've seen. The only think that goes wrong is the Susanoo "ingredients". Don't you get that the databook reffers to Itachi only? Sasuke gives a different explanation in the manga later. It's the only category that this wiki fails. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 13:37, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- You may be righy, or you may be not. But in this wiki, we use facts. And speculations from a random person, no matter how accurate or logical they may be, aren't facts. If we get PROOF, and with proof I mean a STATEMENT, not analyzing facts, that Sasuke can't use Tsukuyomi, then we'll accept it.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 13:42, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- It's better that way. You obviously didn't read the post, which goes by everything the databooks & manga say, while you think it's just a guy saying his opinion. Seriously, This wiki is the best I've seen. The only think that goes wrong is the Susanoo "ingredients". Don't you get that the databook reffers to Itachi only? Sasuke gives a different explanation in the manga later. It's the only category that this wiki fails. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 13:37, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
Is there any statement that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi? And by extension Madara using Amaterasu & Tsukuyomi? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 13:46, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
By the way, Itachi got those mythical items and equipped his Susanoo with it, that was said from the manga. I'm not sure what databook you're reading, but it doesn't sound like it was published by Masashi Kishimoto. This conversation is moot especially since, like I said, Tobi said he used it, albeit on a weaker scale. CHAPTER 480, PAGES 4-5 (unless it's an incorrect translation) --Cerez365™20px(talk) 13:52, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
"Itachi got those mythical items and equipped his Susanoo with it" Source?
- "Tobi said he used it, albeit on a weaker scale" No, he said that Sasuke's genjutsu is weaker compared to Itachi's Tsukuyomi.Patsoumas1995 (talk) 13:57, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- About Itachi. They said that Orochimaru searched for the Totsuka Sword all his life. This fact alone indicates that the item was well known, and that it was something that WASN'T created when Itachi used Susanoo for the first time or something like that.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 14:16, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
Sasuke used Tsukuyomi on Killer B at least--Elveonora (talk) 14:15, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Not only he didn't call it Tsukuyomi, but Killer B broke the genjutsu that can only be broken by a Sharingan of a relative? -_- Patsoumas1995 (talk) 14:18, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Now who's the one who doesn't read? The Hachibi broke it for him.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 14:20, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter if it was Hachibi, the Hachibi definitely isn't Sasuke's relative with Sharingan. The Hachibi used Genjutsu Dissipation, and it's confirmed that the Tsukuyomi can't be broken like that. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 14:25, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- All Genjutsu are broken the same way: chakra dissipation. The only special thing the Tsukuyomi has is that, if you don't have a Sharingan, you don't get the chance to do it, because you don't have the time before the Genjutsu paralyzes you.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 14:30, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- No. Read Chapter 257, pages 6-7 Patsoumas1995 (talk) 14:43, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- All Genjutsu are broken the same way: chakra dissipation. The only special thing the Tsukuyomi has is that, if you don't have a Sharingan, you don't get the chance to do it, because you don't have the time before the Genjutsu paralyzes you.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 14:30, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter if it was Hachibi, the Hachibi definitely isn't Sasuke's relative with Sharingan. The Hachibi used Genjutsu Dissipation, and it's confirmed that the Tsukuyomi can't be broken like that. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 14:25, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Now who's the one who doesn't read? The Hachibi broke it for him.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 14:20, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
It's also better you don't read what was said in isolation. Read what Danzo says in chapter 478, page 8. That is what Tobi was responding to.--Cerez365™20px(talk) 14:22, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
Danzo says the same thing Tobi says: he compares Sasuke's genjutsu with Itachi's Tsukuyomi. But what is this that Danzo says in chapter 478, page 8?Patsoumas1995 (talk) 14:26, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
On Killer B it was Tsukuyomi, on Zetsu it also was Tsukuyomi .. that's for sure. Likely on Danzo as well ... Sasuke's version is just weaker--Elveonora (talk) 14:31, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Based on? When did Sasuke trap any of those in a genjutsu world?Patsoumas1995 (talk) 14:34, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Who said that Tsukuyomi had that specific effect? Maybe it was just the illusion that Itachi decided to create, and not the standard effect.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 14:36, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- The 2nd Databook (http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=22980039&postcount=195) "Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands."
- Trying to use literary language to prove something? We all know how the databooks are written, with as much "fluff" as possible to make the things sound cooler.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 14:42, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Now that's nonsense. Why isn't the first part I quotes literal? Can you prove that Sasuke's Sharingan genjutsus are Tsukuyomi? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 14:46, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Both Danzo and Tobi said it. It's your choice, to believe that they weren't talking about Tsukuyomi, but facts are: right now, we know three things: 1-Sasuke can use Susanoo. 2-Susanoo has been described by the author himself to require Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. 3-Sasuke has already been referenced to use Tsukuyomi TWICE. As I said before, we have facts. You only have speculation.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 14:50, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Now that's nonsense. Why isn't the first part I quotes literal? Can you prove that Sasuke's Sharingan genjutsus are Tsukuyomi? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 14:46, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Trying to use literary language to prove something? We all know how the databooks are written, with as much "fluff" as possible to make the things sound cooler.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 14:42, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- The 2nd Databook (http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=22980039&postcount=195) "Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands."
- Who said that Tsukuyomi had that specific effect? Maybe it was just the illusion that Itachi decided to create, and not the standard effect.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 14:36, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
1-True 2-And later the author himself said through Sasuke's mouth in the manga that Susanoo requires the 2 Mangekyo powers, which are Amaterasu & Enton for Sasuke. 3-But Sasuke's genjutsu was NEVER named as Tsukuyomi! All the supposed uses are speculations with no real proof! Patsoumas1995 (talk) 14:55, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Honey. You have stepped from the realm of simply analyzing facts to strictly making things up. WHO in the world said that Sasuke's secondary Mangekyo power is Enton? Apart from your own, wild imagination? As far as I know, Enton simply comes from the fact that Sasuke is more skilled than Itachi with Amaterasu, therefore being able to manipulate it's shape.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 14:58, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Honey. C said that Enton comes from his left eye, while Amaterasu comes from his right eye. Chapter 464, page 7.Patsoumas1995 (talk) 15:04, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, sweetie, I'm going to put it very easy for you. You believe that Sasuke can't use Tsukuyomi, and that his second Mangekyo power is Enton (about which we have NOT enough information to classify it as anything else than a derivation from Amaterasu). Ok. You can have your own oppinions, that is very nice and we respect it. But we are not going to add your speculations here. Unless you can bring SPECIFIC proof about those two claims (Sasuke's inability to use Tsukuyomi, and Enton's status as his second Mangekyo power), we are not adding anything. And with proof, I mean something else apart from quotes which can be interpreted in EITHER way. And seriously, don't try to continue with this, because we are not changing anything if you don't have that proof.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 15:08, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Do you have specific proof for Sasuke's ability to use Tsukuyomi? I gave my proof on Enton. Chapter 464, page 7. Check it, and explain me why this doesn't count. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 15:13, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
We are not continuing this discussion. We already have a databook explanation that says that Susanoo requires both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Sasuke can use Susanoo. 2+2=4. Unless you can prove that's not true, you have no point here. And about your proof, C just said that he uses Amaterasu through is right eye, and manipulate it with his left. I think I missed the part in which that translates to: Enton is Sasuke's second Mangekyo power. Oh wait, I think I get it. You have magical mind reading powers, and you can know what the author was referring to when writing those lines, right?--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 15:23, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Wasn't Enton the flame manipulation? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 15:28, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- We barely know anything about Enton.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 15:31, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Anyway, I was wrong on this. By Enton, I ment the flame control. Flame control is the other power. I'm I wrong on this? If yes, why? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 15:34, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- We barely know anything about Enton.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 15:31, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
@Patsoumas1995 All you are doing is randomly speculating and making up all sorts of stuff that is pure nonsense. If your not going to listen to anything we post, we'll just stop replying to this discussion. It's spamming my mailbox unnecessarily. --Speysider (Talk Page) 15:00, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- You see, I actually thought that he had kind of a point (about neither Danzo nor Tobi specifically stating that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi), but when he decided all on his own that Sasuke's second Mangekyo power was Enton, I lost all faith in his common sense.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 15:02, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
I love you guys--Elveonora (talk) 15:57, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
It just got real up in here //Filipinoboy97
Sasuke's mastery of Tsukuyomi
"Sasuke can also perform Tsukuyomi with his right eye, though his illusion is considered inferior to Itachi's Tsukuyomi since it does not alter the opponent's perception of time indicating he has yet to master it"
How can he not have 'mastered' it when one clearly needs to master this jutsu alongside Amaterasu to achieve Susanoo. As per se the databook.
I suspect this has come about due to Danzo's comment: Danzo compared Sasuke's Genjutsu and Tsukuyomi. The former doesn't manipulate the opponent's perception of time.
If Tobi's quote has anything to do with it, then be wary that he only mentioned the 'staying power' of the illusion as opposed to how it alters the perception of time.
Under the 'presumably' tag you can add Sasuke used Tsukuyomi on a Kumogakure shinobi to 'control' him to reveal Killer B's location. Similar to what Itachi wanted to do to Kabuto using the same jutsu. That said the entry of Tsukuyomi needs to be updated because it doesn't include the ability to 'control' the opponent as Itachi said it does.
--Jingo12 (talk) 09:08, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
Limited Tsukuyomi
How are we going to reference it? From what I understand on what has been released about the movie, Tobi actually cast the "Limited Tsukuyomi" (????, Gentei Tsukuyomi), on Naruto and Sakura. Since we're not splitting the infinite variation, I don't think we'd split the limited one as well. This would mean listing Tobi as a user of Tsukuyomi, even if with a movie only tag, but that would put us in the awkward position of having to consider Tobi an MS user, at least in the movie-only capacity. For now, to avoid greater confusion and revert warring, which would only add to the editing chaos that is sure to come by chapter 600 or whenever Tobi loses the mask, I think Tobi should be mentioned in the page, maybe in a trivia section, but not to be actually listed in the infobox for now. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:05, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
we should mention both "limited" and "infinite" Tsukuyomis in a sub-section of Tsukuyomi page + trivia about Tobi MS shit.--Elveonora (talk) 17:41, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
So?--Elveonora (talk) 19:52, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
The latest chapter confirmed Tobi can use MS. Since his plan involves casting a large-scale version of Tsukuyomi, he should know how to use the regular version. --The Goblin 12:01, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
I agree, we should add Tsukuyomi to his infobox... but again, how Kakashi can't use it? O_O--Elveonora (talk) 12:11, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
Ok I'm just going to state what should be pretty obvious. I'm pretty certain that the genjutsu he used on Sakura & Naruto was done with his regular Sharingan. On top of that, the "Tsukuyomi" Madara used on Obito was done with a fully matured Sharingan that did not have Mangekyo Sharingan. Not to say what should be obvious, but what if Infinite Tsukuyomi is really just Genjutsu: Sharingan? So either Tsukuyomi is not a Mangekyo Sharingan technique, OR they are using the regular Sharingan Genjutsu or an enhanced version of it. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:55, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
- The genjutsu Madara used on Obito was never stated, nor implied to be Tsukuyomi to begin with. And Obito used Kamui through much of Part 2 of the manga without us actually seeing the Mangekyo design in his eyes, and since I don't think we see that in the movie either, still right to say he used Tsukuyomi in the movie. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:14, December 10, 2012 (UTC)


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Enhancements to the Spider tab
Smartcard support c/o Andiparos
A new 'Attack' menu
More internationalization (all main tabs and menu items)
Localization: Brazilian Portuguese, German, Polish and Spanish
Be great if you could include this latest version in the next BackTrack release.
Many thanks,
This tool will be updated in BT shortly.
It is also a good idea to provide a link for us. It makes our job easier.
This tool has been updated. It should be in the repos soon.
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Failure to do so will probably get your threads deleted or worse.
Ooops, sorry.
I'll include OWASP Zed Attack Proxy Project - OWASP next time!
Just had a look at bt4rc2.
I was expecting to see zap1.0.0 as it was added in revision 695, but I cant see it anywhere.
Did it not make it in?
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The tool is in the repos. I personally packaged it.
# apt-cache search zaproxy
One also needs to remember that we can not include every single tool passed our way onto the BT .iso itself. Or else it would grow to big to even fit on a single DVD.
On a related note, the dev team has made a customization tutorial that allows people to add/ remove whatever they need/want and build their own iso.
To be successful here you should read all of the following.
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Back|Track Wiki
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Drug-induced hepatitisToxic hepatitis
Drug-induced hepatitis is inflammation of the liver that may occur when you take certain medicines.
Other types of hepatitis include:
The liver helps the body break down certain medicines. These include some drugs that you buy over-the-counter or your health care provider prescribes for you. However, the process is slower in some people. Thiscan makeyou more likely to get liver damage.
Some drugs can cause hepatitis with small doses, even if the liver breakdown system is normal. Large doses of many medications can damage a normal liver.
Many different drugs can cause drug-induced hepatitis.
Painkillers and fever reducers that contain acetaminophen are a common cause of liver inflammation. These medications can damage the liver when taken in doses that are not much greater than the recommended dose. People who already have liver disease are most likely to have this problem.
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), such as ibuprofen and naproxen, may also cause drug-induced hepatitis.
Other drugs that can lead to liver inflammation include:
- Amiodarone
- Anabolic steroids
- Birth control pills
- Chlorpromazine
- Erythromycin
- Halothane (a type of anesthesia)
- Methyldopa
- Isoniazid
- Methotrexate
- Statins
- Sulfa drugs
- Tetracyclines
- Abdominal pain
- Dark urine
- Diarrhea
- Fatigue
- Fever
- Headache
- Jaundice
- Loss of appetite
- Nausea and vomiting
- Rash
- White or clay-colored stools
Exams and Tests
You will have blood tests to check liver function. Liver enzymes will behigher if you have the condition.
Your doctor will doa physical exam to check for an enlarged liver and abdominal tenderness in the right upper part of the belly area. A rash or fever may be part of some drug reactions that affect the liver.
Theonly specific treatment for most cases of liver damage caused by taking a drug is to stop the drug that caused the problem.
However, if you took high doses of acetaminophen, treatment should be started as soon as possible after you develop hepatitis.
You should rest during the acute phase of drug-induced hepatitis, when the symptoms are most severe. If you have more severe nausea and vomiting, you may need to get fluids through a vein.
People with acute hepatitis should avoid physical exertion, alcohol, acetaminophen, and any other substances that harmthe liver.
Outlook (Prognosis)
Usually, drug-induced hepatitis goes away within days or weeks after you stop taking the drug that caused it.
Possible Complications
Rarely, drug-induced hepatitis can lead to liver failure.
When to Contact a Medical Professional
Call your health care provider if:
- You develop symptoms of hepatitis after you start taking a new medicine.
- You have been diagnosed with drug-induced hepatitis and your symptoms do notimprove after you stop taking the medicine.
- You develop any new symptoms.
Never use more than the recommended dose ofover-the-counter medicines containing acetaminophen (Tylenol).
If you drink heavily or regularly, you should avoid these medicines or talk to your health care provider aboutsafe doses.
If you have liver disease, it is very important to tell your doctor about all the medicines you take. You should avoid the following medications if you have liver disease:
- Acetaminophen
- Phenytoin
This list does not include all medications.
Your health care provider can suggest medicines (including over-the-counter medicines)that are safe for you.
Teoh NC, Chittun S, Farrell GC. Drug-induced hepatitis. In: Feldman M, Friedman LS, Brandt LJ, eds. Sleisenger and Fordtran's Gastrointestinal and Liver Disease. 9th ed. Philadelphia, Pa: Saunders Elsevier; 2010:chap 86.
Wedemeyer H, Pawlotsky J-M. Acute viral hepatitis. Goldman L, Schafer AI, eds. Cecil Medicine. 24th ed. Philadelphia, Pa: Saunders Elsevier; 2011:chap 150.
Review Date: 10/8/2012
Reviewed By: George F. Longstreth, MD, Department of Gastroenterology, Kaiser Permanente Medical Care Program, San Diego, California. Also reviewed by A.D.A.M. Health Solutions, Ebix, Inc., Editorial Team: David Zieve, MD, MHA, David R. Eltz, and Stephanie Slon.


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Louisville's Ware Speaks Out About Leg Injury
Louisville reserve guard Kevin Ware is healing following his horrific leg injury in Sunday's NCAA Tournament game. He had surgery Sunday night for a compound fracture he suffered while trying to block a shot in the Elite Eight against Duke. Ware says he didn't even realize what had happened at first, then went into "automatic shock" once he did. Players and coaches were in tears after Ware fell to the ground.
The 20-year-old sophomore had a rod inserted into his leg to help stabilize the bone, which had punctured the skin. Doctors estimate his recovery time at about 12 months. Ware plans to travel with the team to Atlanta for this weekend's Final Four. The Cardinals play Wichita State in Saturday's national semifinals.


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Spartanburg, S.C. – The Brevard College track & field team competed in the Furman Invitational at Furman University on Saturday, April 9th. The Tornados had six individuals competing in the tournament.
On the women's side, Angela Canale was the only female participant from Brevard College. Canale competed in both the 800 and the 1,500-meter runs. Canale was the seventh place finisher in the 800 meter run, while she finished in seventh in the 1500 meter run as well. She completed the 800 in 2:47.06 and the 1,500 in 5:27.63.
In the men's competition, Brevard had multiple runners competing. Erik Gibbs ran in the men's 800-meter run and finished in seventh of 10 competitors.
Gibbs completed the race in 2:02.69. Gibbs also competed in the 1,500-meter run along side teammates Josh Mower and Chris Shore. Gibbs set the pace for the Brevard runners coming in eighth, while Shore finished ninth and Mower placed 12th. Gibbs crossed the finish line in 4:27.76 and Shore finished just over a second behind at 4:28.78. Mower finished the race in 4:32.90.
The Tornados had four competitors in the 5,000-meter run on the men's side. Jordan Tager led the way for Brevard coming in 10th place with a time of 16:41.49. Mower was next to cross the finish line for Brevard at 12th. Mower finished in 17:03.07. Shore and Tiffen Tapia were the final two Tornados to finish. Shore came in 16th with a time of 18:30.43, while Tapia finished 17th at 18:46.32.
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For he will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence. He will cover you with his pinions, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness is a shield and buckler.
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God-centered worship is supremely important in the life of our church. We approach the Sunday morning worship hour with great seriousness and earnestness and expectancy. We try to banish all that is flippant or trivial or chatty.
Not all services are this way. Sunday morning is the Mount of Transfiguration—the awesome place of glory and speechlessness. Sunday or Wednesday evening is the Mount of Olives—the familiar spot for conversation with the Lord and each other.
In this article, we hope to do two things: 1) demonstrate that parents (or some responsible adult) should bring little children to the Sunday morning worship service rather than send them to a "children's church"; 2) give some practical advice about how to do it.
We don't claim that our way of worshiping is the only valid way. Not all our ideas may fit with the way another church does it.
For example, we don't have a children's sermon as part of our Sunday morning service. It would be fun for the children, but in the long run would weaken the spiritual intensity of our worship. To everything there is a season. And we believe that, for at least one hour a week, we should sustain a maximum intensity of moving reverence.
The Biggest Stumbling Block
There are several reasons why we urge parents to bring their children to worship. But these arguments will not carry much weight with parents who do not love to worship God.
The greatest stumbling block for children in worship is that their parents do not cherish the hour. Children can feel the difference between duty and delight. Therefore, the first and most important job of a parent is to fall in love with the worship of God. You can't impart what you don't possess.
Worshiping together counters the contemporary fragmentation of families. Hectic American life leaves little time for significant togetherness. It is hard to overestimate the good influence of families doing valuable things together week in and week out, year in and year out.
Worship is the most valuable thing a human can do. The cumulative effect of 650 worship services spent with Mom and Dad between the ages of 4 and 17 is incalculable.
Catch the Spirit
Parents have the responsibility to teach their children by their own example the meaning and value of worship. Therefore, parents should want their children with them in worship so the children can catch the spirit and form of their parents' worship.
Children should see how Mom and Dad bow their heads in earnest prayer during the prelude and other non-directed times. They should see how Mom and Dad sing praise to God with joy in their faces, and how they listen hungrily to His Word. They should catch the spirit of their parents meeting the living God.
Something seems wrong when parents want to take their children in the formative years and put them with other children and other adults to form their attitude and behavior in worship. Parents should be jealous to model for their children the tremendous value they put on reverence in the presence of Almighty God.
Not an Excessive Expectation
To sit still and be quiet for an hour or two on Sunday is not an excessive expectation for a healthy 6-year-old who has been taught to obey his parents. It requires a measure of discipline, but that is precisely what we want to encourage parents to impart to their children in the first five years.
Thus the desire to have children in the worship service is part of a broader concern that children be reared so that they are "submissive and respectful in every way" (1 Timothy 3:4).
Children can be taught in the first five years of life to obey their father and mother when they say, "Sit still and be quiet." Parents' helplessness to control their children should not be solved by alternative services but by a renewal of discipline in the home.
Not Everything Goes Over Their Heads
Children absorb a tremendous amount that is of value. And this is true even if they say they are bored.
Music and words become familiar. The message of the music starts to sink in. The form of the service comes to feel natural. The choir makes a special impression with a kind of music the children may hear at no other time. Even if most of the sermon goes over their heads, experience shows that children hear and remember remarkable things.
The content of the prayers and songs and sermon gives parents unparalleled opportunities to teach their children the great truths of our faith. If parents would only learn to query their children after the service and then explain things, the children's capacity to participate would soar.
Not everything children experience has to be put on their level in order to do them good. Some things must be. But not everything.
For example, to learn a new language you can go step by step from alphabet to vocabulary to grammar to syntax. Or you can take a course where you dive in over your head, and all you hear is the language you don't know. Most language teachers would agree that the latter is by far the most effective.
Sunday worship service is not useless to children just because much of it goes over their heads. They can and will grow into this new language faster than we think—if positive and happy attitudes are fostered by the parents.
A Sense of Awe
There is a sense of solemnity and awe which children should experience in the presence of God. This is not likely to happen in children's church. Is there such a thing as children's thunder or children's lightning or the crashing of the sea "for children"?
A deep sense of the unknown and the mysterious can rise in the soul of a sensitive child in solemn worship—if his parents are going hard after God themselves. A deep moving of the magnificence of God can come to the young, tender heart through certain moments of great hymns or "loud silence" or authoritative preaching. These are of immeasurable value in the cultivation of a heart that fears and loves God.
We do not believe that children who have been in children's church for several years between the ages of 6 and 12 will be more inclined or better trained to enjoy worship than if they had spent those years at the side of their parents. In fact, the opposite is probably the case.
It will probably be harder to acclimate a 10- or 12-year-old to a new worship service than a 5- or 6-year-old. The cement is much less wet, and vast possibilities of shaping the impulses of the heart are gone.
Some Practical Suggestions from Noel
When our four sons grew to be young men, we assumed that the worship-training chapter of our life had ended. But God has wonderful surprises. Our youngest son was 12 when we adopted our daughter, who was just a couple of months old. So our experience with young children in the pew started more than twenty years ago and will continue a while longer.
Getting Started Step by Step
We discovered that the very earliest "school" for worship is in the home—when we help a baby be quiet for just a moment while we ask God's blessing on our meal; when a toddler is sitting still to listen to a Bible story book; when a child is learning to pay attention to God's Word and to pray during family devotional times.
At church, even while our children were still nursery-aged, I began to help them take steps toward eventual regular attendance in Sunday morning worship service. I used other gatherings as a training ground—baptisms, choir concerts, missionary videos or other special events that would grab the attention of a 3-year-old. I'd "promote" these to the child as something exciting and grown-up. The occasional special attendance gradually developed into regular evening attendance, while at the same time we were beginning to attempt Sunday mornings more and more regularly.
I've chosen not to use the church's child care as an escape route when the service becomes long or the child gets restless. I don't want to communicate that you go to a service as long as it seems interesting, and then you can go play. And I wanted to avoid a pattern that might reinforce the idea that all of the service is good, up until the preaching of God's Word—then you can leave.
Of course, there are times when a child gets restless or noisy, despite a parent's best efforts. I pray for the understanding of the people around me, and try to deal with the problem unobtrusively. But if the child won't be quiet or still, I take him or her out—for the sake of quick discipline and for the sake of the other worshipers. Then I have to decide whether we'll slip back into service or stay in the area reserved for parents with young children. It depends on how responsive the child seems and whether there's an appropriate moment in the flow of the service. If we stay in the "family area" outside the sanctuary, I help my child sit quietly as if we were still in the sanctuary.
By the time they are four years old, our children assume that they'll be at all the regular weekly services with us.
Preparation All Week Long
Your anticipation and conversation before and after service and during the week will be important in helping your child learn to love worship and to behave well in service.
Help your children become acquainted with your pastor. Let them shake hands with him at the door and be greeted by him. Talk about who the worship leaders are; call them by name. Suggest that your child's Sunday School teacher invite the pastor to spend a few minutes with the children if your church's Sunday morning schedule allows for that.
If you know what the Scripture passage will be for the coming Sunday, read it together several times during the week. A little one's face really lights up when he hears familiar words from the pulpit.
Talk about what is "special" this week: a trumpet solo, a friend singing, a missionary speaker from a country you have been praying for.
Sometimes you can take the regular elements of the service and make them part of the anticipation. "We've been reading about Joseph. What do you think the pastor will say about him?" "What might the choir be singing this morning?" "Maybe we can sit next to our handicapped friend and help him with his hymnbook so he can worship better too."
There are two additional and important pre-service preparations for us: a pen and notepad for "Sunday notes" and a trip to the rest room (leaving the service is highly discouraged).
What Happens During Service?
First, I let a child who wants a worship folder have one—it helps a child feel like a participant in the service. And quietly, before service begins, I may point to the different parts of the service listed in the folder.
During service, we all sit or stand along with rest of the congregation. I share my Bible or hymnal or worship folder with my little one, because use of these is an important part of the service.
The beginning of the sermon is the signal for "notetaking" to begin. (I want a child's activities to be related to the service. So we don't bring library books to read. I do let a very young child look at pictures in his Bible, if he can do it quietly.) Notetaking doesn't mean just scribbling, but "taking notes" on a special pad used just for service.
"Taking notes" grows up as the child does. At first he draws pictures of what he hears in the sermon. Individual words or names trigger individual pictures. You might pick out a word that will be used frequently in the sermon; have the child listen carefully and make a check mark in his "notes" each time he hears the word.
Later he may want to copy letters or words from the Scripture passage for the morning. When spelling comes easier, he will write words and then phrases he hears in the sermon. Before you might expect it, he will probably be outlining the sermon and noting whole concepts.
Goals and Requirements
My training for worship has three main goals:
- That children learn early and as well as they can to worship God heartily.
- That parents be able to worship.
- That families cause no distraction to the people around them.
So there are certain expectations that I teach the young ones and expect of the older ones:
- Sit or stand or close eyes when the service calls for it.
- Sit up straight and still—not lounging or fidgeting or crawling around, but respectful toward God and the worshipers around you.
- Keep bulletin papers and Bible and hymnal pages as quiet as possible.
- Stay awake. Taking notes helps. (I did allow the smallest ones to sleep, but they usually didn't need to!)
- Look toward the worship leaders in the front. No people-gazing or clock-watching.
- If you can read fast enough, sing along with the printed words. At least keep your eyes on the words and try to think them. If you can't read yet, listen very hard.
Creating an Environment in the Pew
For my part, I try to create an environment in our pew that makes worship easier. In past years, I would sit between whichever two were having the most trouble with each other that day. We choose seats where we can see the front better (while seated, not kneeling on the pew; kneeling leads to squirming and blocks the view of others).
Each child has a Bible, offering money and worship folder at hand, so he doesn't have to scramble and dig during the worship time. During the prelude, if I notice in the bulletin something unusual for which we need to be prepared (a responsive reading or congregational prayers, for example), I quietly point it out to a child who is old enough to participate.
When the service has ended, my first words are praise to the child who has behaved well. In addition to the praise, I might also mention one or two things that we both hope will be better next time.
But what if there has been disregard of our established expectations and little attempt to behave? The first thing that happens following the service is a silent and immediate trip to the most private place we can find. Then the deserved words are spoken and consequences administered or promised.
Closeness and Warmth
On the rare occasions when my pastor-husband can sit with the rest of us, the youngest one climbs right into his lap—and is more attentive and still than usual. What a wonderful thing for a young mind to closely associate the closeness and warmth of a parent's lap with special God-times.
A child gets almost the same feeling from being next to his parent or from an arm around the shoulder or an affectionate hand on the knee.
The setting of the tight family circle focusing toward God will be a nonverbal picture growing richer and richer in the child's mind and heart as he matures in appreciation for his family and in awe at the greatness of God.


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The Clippers wanted to sprint but settled for a jog.
They wanted a free-flowing game but shot a ton of free throws.
They wanted highlight-reel caliber plays but settled for a mostly earth-bound game.
Somehow, some way, the Clippers battled through the Utah Jazz and a less-than-favorable style of play and still managed to win their 17th consecutive game, a sluggish 107-96 victory Sunday night in front of a sellout crowd of 19,111 at Staples Center.
Lob City took the night off, replaced by something without a catchy nickname. This time the Clippers won with a little extra muscle around the basket, one more push in the back of an opposing player, a more physical game than they are known for playing.
In the end, the Clippers played small ball and did just fine, capping December with a 16-0 record.
Caron Butler scored 14 of the Clippers' first 18 points en route to 29 points, including 6for6 on 3-pointers. They survived a rough patch near the end of the third quarter and pulled just far enough away late in the game to prompt their fans to stand and cheer as the final seconds ticked down.
"Usually, we let them jump up and down once or twice after a win," Clippers coach Vinny Del Negro said. "Tonight, we let them jump up and down three or four times and they got their fill, and now they have their loud music on in there (in the locker room)."
The Clippers will try for their 18th consecutive win Tuesday against the Nuggets in Denver. Then they play the Golden State Warriors on Wednesday in Oakland. Then they play the Lakers on Friday at Staples Center. Then they play the Warriors again at Staples.
"Tough," Del Negro said of the days ahead. "Tough week."
Tough was a good way to describe the Clippers' past two victories, when they rallied from a 19-point deficit to defeat the Jazz on Friday in Salt Lake City and then had to bump and grind with them to pull out a narrow victory in Sunday's rematch in Los Angeles.
The Clippers led by as many as 13 points but couldn't polish off the Jazz. They led most of the way, save for a moment or two near the end of a lackluster third quarter. They also were tough-minded when they need to be, physical when it was called for and unwilling to be defeated.
Butler scored 17 points in the first quarter after sinking all five of his attempts from beyond the 3-point arc.
Griffin scored only seven points and grabbed seven rebounds. Others made up for his low production, however, with Butler sinking 10 of 14 shots. Chris Paul scored 19 points and added nine assists, Jamal Crawford scored 19points in a reserve role and DeAndre Jordan had 14 points.


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First thing i would like to say hello since im a new member. I am a total newbie to linux/backtrack. To be honest i have never really used any of these before. The reason i want to learn is because i plan on studying networks at uni next year and hopefully some years down the line be able to become a network security expert. i realize that i cant just start using backtrack , so would ubuntu be a good choice of distro to start with ? also i need to buy a usb wireless adapter, any suggestions (i know that some exist that dont really work with backtrak/other linux distros ) .
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Is it possible to pass on our sleeping disorders to our kids?
Hi everyone! I am 5 months pregnant and also the mother of 2 amazing girls. Since I'm a WAHM, I tend to sleep extremely late or let's just say early morning. Well even before I became a WAHM, I was always used to sleeping late. For some reason, I do not like sleeping at night. Weird right? Well, I use to do the same with my 2 previous pregnancies. My children go to sleep at around 12-1am in the morning. I tried giving them vitamins, but nothing has worked. Is it possible that my sleeping disorders have been passed on to them? Will the baby I'm currently pregnant with, also get my sleeping disorders? Would love to hear from you! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
13th April 2014 09:52 AM #2
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I was a teen mom as well.....high five to teen moms!
Sleep patterns are just that....patterns...if it bothers you that your children go to sleep late...id look into why you are having those feelings. Is society telling you that they should sleep earlier? Possibly other family members as well?
If it helps to know...I have 5 kids from ages 3 to 20 years old and we all stay up very late..some fall asleep as late as 1,2 am and others go to sleep earlier. We all wake up late in the morning and that works out very well for us.
If you want an earlier bedtime for your children you will need to remember that the earlier they go to sleep, the earlier they will wake up. So if you go to sleep later, you may not want to get up earlier with them.
Just a few things to think about.
Sounds like you have a great system, Id stick to it, if it was me.
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Dear sunnymumof5,
I guess, it's not only us! lol Getting pregnant at a young age is getting more common every year. Well my mum bugs me every now and then about my children's sleeping patterns.
My kids go to sleep earlier than I do. I usually go to sleep at 6am due to my online jobs and everything. My children wake up earlier than I do. Is it bad for my children's health to sleep late though? or is it the same thing as sleeping early?
Thank you so much for answering my questions. Luckily I have a nanny here at home to take care of my brats. I'm just worried about their health. Really do appreciate the help!
Lots of thanks!
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Im so sorry that you think your kids are brats....children are a gift to us...they are small humans that require much love and positive attention.
I do not believe going to bed at a later hour will harm your children. As long as they are able to sleep until their bodies wake up, then they should be just fine.


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If a person has type 1 then they will be generally better at long distance runnig.
If a person has type 2a then they will generally be better at middle distance running and swimming.
And if a person has type 2b then they will generally be better at spriniting.
Now am sure that research has found that black people have been found to have type 2 b muscle fibres a lot more than white people hence the amount of amazing black sprinters, ad then you find that a lot of whit people are good at swimming and middle distnace running due to haveing type 2a fibres.
So if all what i am saying is true, and it is as far as i can remember and have been taught then genetically black people will be better at sprinting. But if someone does research and finds me to be wrong please tell and discredit this


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The icing color alone would not usually make this happen, it sounds like the fondant had dried out - possibly the air was too dry when you were working with it. When you notice fondant drying out, knead in a small amount of vegetable shortening into the fondant to moisten it and make it more pliable. Also, to make rolled fondant adhere to dummy cakes, we suggest brushing the dummy lightly with piping gel or water – this will make the fondant "stick" to the "cake."


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Start with the tcp-ip book, it will give provide you with the basis for just about everything else and is invaluable. Honestly i wouldn't even consider doing anything else until you have a firm understanding of how that works.
As for the rest of the books, you might aswell throw that A+ book in the trash unless your planning on getting a job with the geek squad lol


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LAND O'LAKES, FL -- Roger Stewart has joined Holiday House Distributing as vice-president of sales. He joins HHD from the National Automatic Merchandising Association, where he had been director of coffee and water service.
Stewart brings extensive experience in workplace refreshment operations and distribution to his new post. He had been sales vice-president for a large office supplies wholesaler in Grand Rapids, MI, when that business was acquired by U.S. Office Products in 1997. He relocated to Seattle and was appointed vice-president of business development between USOP and Starbucks Corp. Stewart subsequently was named president of USOP's AAA Coffee division (Seattle), a $13 million OCS operation, and later became owner and president of his own coffee service in Grand Rapids.
Holiday House Distributing, founded in 1981, has become the largest distributor of coffee service, water and vending parts in North America.


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Bank of America closing two local offices
(Beachwood) - About 1,000 local Bank of America workers may be looking for jobs. The company is closing two Cleveland-area locations dealing with home loan fulfillment and consumer banking services.
Bank of America issued the following statement about the closings:
"We continue to reduce the size of our mortgage servicing operations in line with the successful reduction of our portfolio of delinquent mortgage customers. Compared to peak levels in 2011, today we have fewer than one-third the numbers of customers who need the specialized programs and support of this team. These actions also reflect our ongoing efforts to streamline our facilities and align our cost structure with market realities, including declining refinance volume resulting from rising interest rates.
Bank of America has a strong track record for helping our employees identify opportunities both inside and outside of the bank and we are working closely with leaders in the community to support a smooth transition. We remain committed to Ohio and continue to refine our business model to account for changes in the marketplace to both preserve our presence and plan for the future."
The sites will close by Oct. 31. There are more than 1,000 workers at the Beachwood location and about 55 in Independence. Another 100 people will be affected by a closing in Cincinnati.
Beachwood Mayor Merle S. Gorden confirmed the closing, "We were contacted today by Bank of America representatives. They indicated that with the increase in interest rates, their home loan and refinancing applications are down substantially, and that as a result, there were pending layoffs in multiple cities and states housing this line of business, including ours.
"While we are always very disappointed to hear of any job cuts, we view this as a temporary setback," said Gordon. "The Cleveland Clinic owns the two buildings housing the affected Bank of America facilities. The Cleveland Clinic has thriving operations in Beachwood and we are optimistic that they might be able to expand into this space. As such, we will engage very soon in conversations with the Cleveland Clinic to review the feasibility of that, and also to determine whether there could be a plan to transfer some of the affected employees into any new jobs that are created."
Bank of America will assist employees in retaining and relocating any remaining employees by finding them more appropriate space that will be competitive and keep them in the area.
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Real results: Speeding quality application delivery with DevOps [in financial services]
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Peter Eeles
FSS Industry Lead
IBM Rational Worldwide Team
Peter Eeles
Peter Eeles is Industry Lead for the Financial Services Sector in IBM Rational's Worldwide Tiger Team, where he helps organizations improve their software development and delivery capability. This is often in conjunction with an architecture-centric initiative such as SOA or strategic reuse, where Peter has particular in-depth knowledge. Peter comes from a delivery background and was previously Chief Architect of IBM Rational's Worldwide Solution Delivery organization. He is co-author of "The Process of Software Architecting" (2009), "Building J2EE Applications with the Rational Unified Process" (2002), and "Building Business Objects" (1998).
David Myers
Product Manager, DevOps Initiatives
IBM Software Group, Rational
David Myers
Dave Myers is a Product Manager on the IBM DevOps team, responsible for DevOps product strategy across the IBM brands. He joined Rational in 2007 as a transfer from the AIM tools group. Based in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, USA, Dave has extensive experience across mobile, distributed, and mainframe environments, including 13 years as software engineer working with government, banking, insurance, and finance customers designing, developing, and modernizing heterogeneous J2EE/.NET-System/z applications and workloads.
Bruce Baron
Financial Services Sector Offering Manager
IBM Software, Rational
Bruce Baron
Bruce Baron currently serves as the Senior Industry Offerings Manager for the Financial Services Sector at IBM Rational. Bruce has over a decade of experience working with Financial Services industry leaders as a management consultant and a technology strategist. Bruce is Six-Sigma Black Belt trained and holds an MBA.
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