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The hotel building is certainly 5 star and it has a great location. I was disappointed by the service in the hotel, service is not in line with the physical product, it is missing the refined service touch you are expecting in an international luxery hotel. The music is not of my taste, the breakfast could be better (more refined choice).
Professional staff, pleasing ambience & decor, great facilities, great restaurant The room we stayed in was very dark and the breakfast could be a little more international
Spa facilities, very comfortable bar area, spacious bedrooms with outstanding decor. Excellent standard of service and curtesy from the reception staff. Room service was poor on morning of arrival. Bathroom layout could be improved to give more privacy. Shower poorly designed in Room 304. Also being overlooked by neighbours in same room.
The location and extremely friendly staff
the hotel staff was friendly and helpful; the rooms and bathroom were clean, nicely designed and good equipped (especially floor heating in the bathroom!); breakfast was a pleasure (quality goes over quantity; usually it is the other way round) and was served in a nice restaurant room no complaints :)
*Fine historic style modernised sesnsitiely. Excellent buffet breakfast. No.
Helpful staff, Pool and Jacuzzi bath in room Fifth floor rooms very noisey, staff were able to find another on the 2nd floor
Professional and sufficient support at the reception. Offered help with luggage. That evening a fashion show took place and party afterwards. Nothing against parties, but I had a wake up call at 4.30 am and would have appreciated a room to the other side as I was not able to sleep due to music...
Excellent service, top design, very big and comfortable room, great restaurant, good spa, very clean and new
awesome hotel
simply nothing. it was the worst experience ever. staff are horrible, services are poor.
bath items are great. Robe was dirty when we arrived.
It was a weekend trip to Wroclaw, so I seem to have booked the room at a special rate. Anyway, great value for the money. Secondly, it is just a short walk from the city centre and Tumski Island. Thirdly, the area is really peaceful at the weekend. There is enough space to park, as well.
Well organized and friendly staff. I did feel very safe. No worries about the car, beeing in the locked garage. There was nothing I did miss during my stay. The breakfast was perfect, too - the selection was complete for anyone´s taste. There will be no other choice for me anymore, visiting Wroclaw next time.
Friendly and helpful staff. Expensive breakfast
Spacy, clean room. Friendly and professional staff Could be good to have possibility to use stairs. Two elevators were overloaded.
Room Price, hotel style and comfort, staff friendly & helpful Bar was very expensive
Met expectation of quality hotel Late check in time !!
The facilities are very good. the staff is very friendly. it is no problem to park the car near the hotel. the gym is very good.
Staff were efficient, pleasant and helpful and the facilities were excellent.
The beds were very comfortable, nice and dark room, quiet. Location is excelllent to watch a movie on the hotel channel you had to pay 25 euro's, a complete ripp off!
The bed was amazing. Best bed we have ever slept inn:) We liked the staff, the sauna, the jakuzi and the bed:):)
The rooms were very comfortable - particularly the beds and the staff were extremely helpful We thought the food was very expensive compared to prices in the town.
It's right in the town centre and for the price I paid is excellant value for a 5 star. The staff were really helpfull and polite even though we arrived much later than we had planned. No
it's location bar prices. eg 51 zloties for one whiskey and one bottle of beer !!!
location is really good and people there are very helpful. Nesto coffee and Sauna is available. Water in shower isn't warm enough.
lack of coffe facilites in the room.
The hotel had a great location just off the old town square. Terrific value for the comfort provided. Cost of breakfast was far too expensive
Clenliness, friendly staff, location
This Hotel is truly a five star Hotel. The accomidations are very luxiourios the service was friendly and the breakfast is just phenominal there. I would reccomend this hotel to anyone visiting Wroclaw. Truly amazing! The parking for cars is really expensive at 100zl for 24hrs. Spa is also by appointment only and they were impossible to reach.
A really "smart" hotel, lovely large bedroom, modern and elegant layout all spotlesley clean. Staff very friendly and helpful.
Was a reasonable price and great location. Service was poor. ordered room service and food was freezing cold and really not that good. left food in room for a full day afterwards room service did not remove. Jacuzzi was frezzing cold. Pay per view tv did not work no explanation given. If it was a 3 star hotal i would recomend it however it is not a 5 star hotal not sure where they got that classification from its a joke.
Nice rooms, friendly staff You have to go cross the lobby to reach the spa and there were no possibilities to lay down and relax
Locations great, can walk to to most of the thinhgs to see or to shops. Upmarked hotel.
The spacious room and the position of the hotel very central to visit the city of Wroclaw The lack of parking space, and the difficulty to find the hotel
The space , comfort and general design of the room was first class as were the bathroom facilities .
First impressions on opening the suite was fantastic! Loved it all.
The room was a cut above anything else, the attention to detail was brilliant. WiFi for rooms is a must, the only thing preventing our stay here being perfect.
The room was very large and comfortable. Breakfast was not included and very overpriced. Very limited parking.
Great, perfect design, everything is clean and everybody is unbelivable friendly, I hope they keep their level!!!
A very beautiful hotel with large room and fantastic staff. Although in the city centre, hotel is hiding in a small street, not very attractive area around the ghotel.
Staff and the meals
It was clean and quite. Staff could be more professional and friendly.
Most staff were very nice Cook at breakfast was a very rude.
Very friendly staff and perfectly clean rooms Everything was very good
The best bit was terrific food, city centre location, good service, clean and comfortable
Friendly reception staff,easy to check in ,very central in down town.good for business people noise from trams ,but value for money
Nice hotel, perfect location. Very kind receptionists.
The location
The attentiveness of the staff
Price On multiple occasions I email hotel in advance of trip and they never responded. I even called Best Wesrern's 800 number who confirmed I was using correct email and that my reservation was in the system. ALL other hotels in Poland and Wroclaw communicated with me. I refused to risk a late night arrival to a Hotel that does not respond to guests or traveler comments on Trip Advisor. We did stay at Puro Hotel and loved it.
The breakfast was very good, as was the reception staff and their ability to speak English, along with their knowledge of the city centre. The price of products in the mini bar, and the fact we found a piece of chewed chewing gum on one of the bedside tables, when we first entered the room.
Great location; very good breakfast Personnel correct but not friendly
Efficient friendly staff, good parking
Arrived late, was unable to have any food, left erly next morning Buffet breakfst was average offering. No atmosphere!
Hotel is overall very good and in an excellent location. Room cleaning was done rather hastily. Bathroom lacked a toilet cleaning pigalle.
Friendly helpful staff. Good standard of comfort and cleanliness. Breakfast was overpriced.
location was perfect, also staff was very friendly and helpful
Location, view, resturant food, bar area, car park convienient, price but only because of the special rate Breakfast expensive and basic, some reception staff were a little too aggressive.
internet on the room
The hotel is located in a walking distance to the city center on the river bank with wonderful view of area. No.
The room is spacious and the sofa is very comfortable. The restaurant's meal is not so good, there's no restaurant around the hotel.
The staff were very friendly and efficient The beds were very comfortable- I usually don't find this Free and reasonably fast WiFi
I absolutely loved it!!! the staff were always so kind and welcoming, also went out of their way to accommodate me at every level. I stayed here after having to move from a terrible apartment and having had cosmetic surgery i needed somewhere good to rest Honestly i can't think of anything ,check out is 12 or 3pm for some packages which is more than enough, the whole hotel is beautiful and at a high standard, someone said they wouldn't stay there as the rooms were on the small side, but didn't bother me.
Lobby was nice, with adequate seating/restaurant/drinks,though they need to have a distinct check-in counter.While the room was high-tech, with both the wall-mounted tablet and TV having your name upon entry,some controls on the tablet didn't work. Couldn't turn off tablet-bright light showed entire night.Slanted shower floor poorly designed-water sprayed into bathroom and hallway.Food prices much higher than neighborhood places-wanted just eggs/french toast,but you have to pay for full buffet.
Hotel im Jana Pawla11 has a fantastic location - quiet and serene. The hotel itself is very impressive -spacious, beautiful decor. Excellent restaurant, cafe and breakfast in the conservatory. Staff extremely helpful. No
Quiet hotel in peaceful location, but close to town centre. Rooms spotless with nice layout & high standard of furniture. poor TV service, no /or limited wireless connection for laptop
Breakfast in the winter terrace was really nice. I did not like the bathroom tap on button with no possibility to lower high stream of warer. It was difficult to stay dry..
The standard of accommodation was excellent; the rooms were spotlessly clean and well-equipped. The hotel is well situated and within walking distance of the market square. The breakfast buffet was lovely. I highly recommend this hotel.
location atmosphere service Room lacks minibar . Shower stops after very short time
Attentive staff. Decor outstanding. Food Superb. Hotel is difficult to find. However it is in the shadow of the Cathedral, the spires of which are a landmark. Might be useful to mention this in the hotel information.
Big room The bathroom is equipped with uncomfortable "system" for control the start/stop of the water ... for example in the shower pressing the only button, this will start to provide water for only 5/10 seconds, then it is need to press again or keep pressing ... in additional the 1st second the shower will start with very refreshing cold water
place and the hotel too
Very very nice hotel, excellent location, staff very friendly. User friendly hotel. Lack of tea & coffee making facilities in room
The food in the restaurant downstairs was very good and an excellent value for the money. The lobby was beautiful and clean. The employees at the front desk were extremely helpful and called to make tour reservations for us, which the people at the tourist office in the market square were not willing to do. Nor could anyone at the city tourist office answer any questions about the tours or even if they offered wine or ice cream on the boat ride. The faucet in our bathroom was terrible. You have to push the button and it comes out with such force that water splashes all over the sink, mirror and your clothes. There are no handles to adjust the flow. The shower is the same set up . It is annoying to have to keep hitting the button to maintain water flow but at least it doesn't spray all over the bathroom.
Very comfortable & clean room. Excellent buffet breakfast. Highly efficient & charming staff. Free WiFi, although there was some difficulty connecting on our last day. The business centre proved very useful. Above all - the gnome outside!
The staff were very couteous and pleasant and the room was excellent, the greeting we received was very pleasant and check in was and check out were handled quickly and efficiently. The reception area is awful, it needs updating and making a little more welcoming. also the lack of a proper bar caused the hotel to have no heart, no focus.
This is a beautiful hotel in the heart of Wroclaw, great ambience, good facilities, friendly staff. Would certainly return.
Plush, spacious, stylish no
Lovely comfortable room Breakfast selection poor so did not eat there during stay
Its quiet location in the city centre. Helpful, English speaking staff at reception. Good and hearty breakfast.
whole 3rd floor has full heating impossible to sleep no air con, no place to park at hotel door for luggage claim, open wifi my laptop was hacked - keylogger, buthtub congested, booking offer price was without breakfast=scam
The hotel was really beautiful and location perfect. But the breakfast was the best:lots and lots of choices and everything fresh. Very impressed! Yes, their mini bar's prices.The first day I checked the prices of the mini bar and the next day I wanted to check the price of the beer but the price list wasn't there.Didn't take to much notice,but when we paid the bill the prices were much higher: water instead 2pln was 12PLN,coke insted 4pln was 12PLN,so in the end wa paid for 2waters and 1coke 36pln instead 8PLN.No proper explanation?!!
Position, decor, food. n/a
Wszystko nam się podobało! W mojej opinii to najlepszy hotel w swojej klasie! Niestety nic...
This is about the 6th time I have stayed in the Mercure Panorama in Wroclaw, the staff are alwasy friendly & welcoming without ever losing their professional nature. It is a great help when staying in a city, I would recommednd it for 1st timers in Wroclaw to find your feet. No
The Hotel is in a very good location - this is the main advantage of staying here. Very close to shopping and the major tourist sites; easy to walk to most things from the hotel. The hotel room itself was very, very basic, and not good value for money (compared to other hotels we have stayed in). The room was very small, television was small and practically 'antique', no ironing facilities in room, no tea/coffee-making facilities in room, bed linen was also unimpressive (very basic, and a strange pale yellow colour). Face towels were not included in the bathroom; toiletries very basic also. Breakfast was ok - average selection of buffet offerings (although the scrambled eggs mostly looked like soup).
Hotel staff politness & eagerness to help
Quality of service
Excellent breakfast. Good location. Next to shopping centre. Free internet. Everything worked.
Pleasant hotel located right in the city centre with easy access to public transport. Big car park on site. The rooms were very clean, air conditioning worked well. The stuff could learn some foreign languages. Overpriced breakfast.
Unpleasant reception staff, but otherwise it was fine.
The room was very clean and comfortable, excellent beds.Well-located, PC and printer + free internet access (reception area), good breakfasts. It was not possible to open a window for fresh air. Awful cigarette smell - people can smoke in the reception area (bar + PCs desk)
We ordered train tickets to be delivered to the hotel and they were misplaced in the Administartion Office rather than being placed in reception by the hotle staff therefore we did not receive the tickets. We are now having to receive a refubd on these tickets from the hotel which is an inconvenience.


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Tuesday, February 5, 2008
The! Winner! Is! ...
Please also allow me to extend another HUGE MASSIVE thanks to Holly, my illustrious co-judge and author of Nothing But Bonfires (you have checked it out and added it to your blog roll, right?), who took many, many hours out of her busy week to help co-judge the contest. And in fact, she was even kind enough to pass along a message to everyone:
Hi everyone, Holly here! I just wanted to introduce myself quickly and thank you all so much for your submissions.
When Nathan originally asked me to be a co-judge in his contest, I leaped at the chance---I mean, really, I think I said yes before he'd even finished asking the question.
"Are you sure you're up for it?" he said. "I mean, I'm not entirely confident you know what you're getting yourself in for. There are going to be quite a few entries, you know."
"Pshaw!" I replied. "Why do you think I wear such strong contact lenses? From reading too much, of course! I devour whole novels in a day! I eat anthologies of short stories for breakfast! I can read a few hundred first pages for your competition, Nathan, no sweat!"
Except it wasn't a few hundred, was it? It was 675. So, uh, thanks for that.
But the truth is, I had a blast. Honestly, I did. And in case there's any doubt in your mind, I absolutely, unequivocally, cross-my-heart-and-swear-on-a-stack-of-Hills-DVDs read every single entry. (No, seriously! As Spencer is my witness!)
And narrowing them down was hard. It was excruciatingly hard. I started by copying and pasting the ones I was immediately impressed with into a Word document I called FINALISTS. But then I had so many finalists that I had to start another document called FOR REAL FINALISTS. After that came FINALISTS! NO, SERIOUSLY THIS TIME, NO KIDDING, and in that document I had about 30 entries. I cut that down to 15. I cut that down to 10, and then I sent those 10 to Nathan, who sent me his 10 back in return. We found we had two in common, so we put those on the master list.
After that, it all got a little Sophie's Choice up in here. Of the two I eventually chose as my picks---Julianne's and Charlotte's, in case you're wondering---both were equally evocative, clever, and just plain well-written. (Both were also about funerals, in case you hadn't noticed, which prompted Nathan to email me and ask if everything was alright.) But the ones I had to leave behind broke my heart: the dead baby in Elladog's story, the twelve-year-old smart talker in Lincoln Highwayman's piece, the tarot card reader in Southern Writer's intro, the newly boob-jobbed protagonist on Len Joy's page. I wanted to bring them all with me onto the shortlist, and I'm hugely sorry that I couldn't.
So thank you to all of you for making my days (and my nights---my long, long nights) that little bit more interesting. Thank you for giving me some truly great stuff to read. Thank you for having the courage to enter the competition and the graciousness to congratulate your peers when it was over.
And now I think it's about time Nathan bought me a shot.
Nathan again. And yes, I definitely owe Holly a shot.
I'd also like to extend my own personal congratulations to the authors on my list of final 10 that barely missed the final 6: Eric ("Tweed & Scissors" -- almost completed the contest trifecta having made the finalists of two previous blog contests), Walter (the Generalissimo), LindaBudz (the Potato Baby Dare), Ally (the Brown Shoe Diaries), and Michael Reynolds (disappearing teacher). In case you're further curious, heather!anne! (soup can man) and kari (Possible Happiness) were on both Holly's and my lists of top 10, and after Holly chose Julianne and Charlotte I chose luc and terryd to round out the top six.
PENULTIMATE congratulations are in order to our wonderful finalists: Julianne, kari, Charlotte, terryd, and luc. (Please e-mail me to discuss your prizes.)
And the ULTIMATE GRAND PRIZE SUPER DELUXE WINNER IS... after 675 entries, many votes, a whole lot of comments, and one great week.... I'm pleased to announce that heather!anne! is the winner of the Surprisingly Essential First Page Challenge!
Thanks again everyone, I hope you will stick around and continue to participate in the blog, and I'll be back later in the week with the usual blog programming.
87 comments:
- Steph Leite said...
Congrats y'all!!!
- February 5, 2008 at 8:11 PM
- LindaBudz said...
Yea!!! Congrats to Heather!Anne! and to all the finalists. Well deserved!
And Nathan, I am beyond thrilled to see I made your top 10. Thanks for posting that, you've made my day!
- February 5, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Congrats to Heather!Anne! as well as to the other finalists and everyone that entered.
Nice job, Holly and Nathan!
- February 5, 2008 at 8:27 PM
- Colorado Writer said...
You deserve a break! Thanks for the fun!
- February 5, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Hmm, and I should maybe also mention the other two that rounded out my list of 10: they were Tom Chatfield and Nina (The Language of Flowers).
- February 5, 2008 at 8:40 PM
- Luc said...
Heather!Anne!, congratulations. (I wanted to put an exclamation point after "congratulations," but found I'd run out.) It's a humdinger of a story. Are you going to go for the washer/dryer, the new car, or what's behind door number 1?
- February 5, 2008 at 8:56 PM
That Holly is a hoot, and I'm glad to have a new blog to read.
Congratulations Heather!Anne! and the rest of the finalists! This was a lot of fun! I have a new fondness for exclamation points!!
- February 5, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Congratulations to heather!ann!
Holly and Nathan! Thanks for the contest! It was a lot of fun.
- February 5, 2008 at 9:11 PM
- Cave Dweller said...
Congratulations, Heather!Anne! and to all the finalists, great first pages!
- February 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Congratulations To All!!! Very Well Done!!!
(psst!! and for anyone who needs it, here quick, get in. I'm driving! We can still getaway!)
- February 5, 2008 at 9:24 PM
I'd never done a contest like this before. It was a lot of fun. Thanks Nathan and Holly!
- February 5, 2008 at 9:42 PM
- Julianne Douglas said...
Congratulations to Heather Anne and all the finalists, and a huge "thank you" to Holly, Nathan, and everyone who took the time to read and vote. Each of us who learned something here these past few days is a winner! Thanks for the opportunity to share the experience with you, and good luck to everyone in their writing careers.
- February 5, 2008 at 9:42 PM
- AstonWest said...
Perhaps a random run-down on some of the remainder of the 675 entries, on why they didn't catch your attention as much as the top entries?
- February 5, 2008 at 10:04 PM
- Christopher M. Park said...
Haha, if I'd paid more attention to Nathan's post title, I would have already known who the winner was. Nicely done.
Congratulations to all the finalists, and especially to heather!anne!
- February 5, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Congratulations to the winner, Heather!Anne!, to the other 5 finalists, to the 4 runners-up, to Nathan and Holly for holding and judging the contest...and, especially, to all the writers who submitted their entries! Keep writing.
- February 5, 2008 at 10:19 PM
- ORION said...
Congratulations to everyone who was brave enough to enter! Way to go.
And thanks Holly and Nathan- this was a great learning experience for everybody involved!
- February 5, 2008 at 10:30 PM
- Taylor said...
Congrats to Heather!Anne! I hope to see you in the next 300 movie.
This! Is! Heather! Anne! :)
- February 5, 2008 at 10:44 PM
- Tim said...
Congratulations Heather!Anne!
It's official: The exclamation point is the new black!
- February 5, 2008 at 10:51 PM
- Ernest said...
... I thought the exclamation point was the new 30!
Kudos to all, and thanks to Nathan and Holly for sharing your other finalists and methodology, that's illuminating.
Will Heather!Anne!'s critique be public? If it's the 10-min. phone call, can we download the mp3 on iTunes?
- February 5, 2008 at 11:20 PM
- Diana said...
Congratulations, Heather!Anne!
Thanks, Nathan and Holly, for making this contest possible!
- February 5, 2008 at 11:59 PM
- Sumit said...
Congratulations Heather!Anne!
- February 6, 2008 at 12:21 AM
- Paprikapink said...
Hey, I chose Heather!Anne! too. Maybe I'll be a literary agent when I grow up (next time).
Well, I chose that after Holly and Nathan stopped me from also choosing all the other ones I really loved. As an avid reader, it was fun just to have so many good pages to read. And fun to think that my page was getting a few reads of its own too. Thanks, all!
- February 6, 2008 at 12:49 AM
- Nadine said...
Congrats to Heather!Anne!! Well done!!!
- February 6, 2008 at 2:14 AM
- Adaora A. said...
This blog is all sorts of win.
"Back to regular programming later on in the week."
Love it.
Congrats Heather!Anne!
Is Holly sure that Spencer is a good witness? I mean, he does go around decorating flats without his fiancee's permission. Who does that?
All this I learned about him from reading this blog. I do have two friends who are crazy for this show.
- February 6, 2008 at 2:43 AM
I think John G. Goetrich should win an award for best post:
"Nathan is a total tool. I thought with him being ostensibly a male, and not in NY, that he may be one to have broken out of the current chick-fluff domination of the publishing industry.
Put away your scarf and penny loafers, put down that latte, and regrow some stones, do something involving sweat, and (re)read some Hemingway or something."
February 4, 2008 9:31 PM
Now that's good writing! Provocative, incisive, funny, and right on target.
All the "finalists" were cozy, cute fluff stuff which apparently suits the taste of the "judges." And all the posters with their happy happy attitudes who shudder at criticism (and Nathan for deleting it) demonstrates that this board is strictly for fluff fans.
- February 6, 2008 at 2:44 AM
Congratulations, Heather!Anne!
And thanks again Nathan and Holly for spending your time and energy on us!
- February 6, 2008 at 4:23 AM
- Sue Eves said...
Congratulations, heather!anne! and to all the finalists.
Thanks everyone for the book of first pages - a fascinating read!
Nathan and Holly - I am truly thankful!
- February 6, 2008 at 7:22 AM
- elarasophia said...
Congratulations, Heather!Anne!! And well done to all the finalists. Many thanks, Nathan and Holly, for an enjoyable and inspiring contest!
- February 6, 2008 at 7:39 AM
Congrats, Heather!Anne! You were my choice - loved it, loved it!
- February 6, 2008 at 8:08 AM
- Southern Writer said...
Congratulations, Heather!Anne! I hope I'll hear when your novel is published so I can read the whole thing. Do you think Nathan would let you at least post your hook so we can see what it's about?
Thanks for the nod, Holly. I've been enjoying your blog, too. You are so funny!
- February 6, 2008 at 8:38 AM
- Usman said...
Congrats heather Anne. I think that was the best of the finalists.
- February 6, 2008 at 8:46 AM
- Elladog said...
Thanks for mentioning my page, Holly! That's so encouraging!
And thanks to you both for all your effort! It was a lot of fun and I learned a ton! (And gained a new appreciation for excitable punctuation!)
- February 6, 2008 at 8:49 AM
I! Want! To! Read! Heather! Anne's! Full! Novel!
Can't wait until it's published.
- February 6, 2008 at 9:13 AM
- sylvia said...
*three cheers*
This was a fun competition and a good learning experience (even for those surly anons -- maybe even ESPECIALLY for them).
There were quite a few entries which would have had me turning the page - above and beyond those listed in this post. There were a lot that lost me fast, and I can absolutely see the need for a hook now: Something to make the inundated agent read on.
Thanks again Nathan and Holly and congratulations Heather!Anne!
It'd be interesting to hear which prize she chooses :)
- February 6, 2008 at 9:29 AM
- Cher Gorman said...
Super Congratulations Heather! Anne! and to the other finalists.
Woo Hoo! Enjoy the ride!
- February 6, 2008 at 9:33 AM
- Eric said...
Well done and congrats, Heather!Anne!! If you take the phone call as your prize, I'd give that poor bastard a few days to sober up and dry out after what we put him through.
Congrats to the finalists as well, of course, but also to everybody who put it out there for the scrutiny of the masses.
A hearty thank you to Nathan and Holly. I hope your efforts herein are rewarded tenfold, lest we not get another chance to drive you to drink.
- February 6, 2008 at 10:32 AM
- TG Franklin said...
WTG heather!anne!
Thanks, Nathan & Holly, for the wonderful contest.
- February 6, 2008 at 11:06 AM
- Precie said...
Congratulations, Heather!Anne!
And congratulations again to all the finalists for such fine work!
And THANK YOU again to Nathan and Holly!
- February 6, 2008 at 11:11 AM
- DeadlyAccurate said...
Congratulations, Heather!Anne! Yours was one of the three I wanted to pick, though I chose luc's (I'm more of a spec. fiction reader).
- February 6, 2008 at 11:40 AM
- LizR said...
Congratulations, Heather!Anne!
And thanks for the contest, Nathan and Holly!
- February 6, 2008 at 11:41 AM
- Lori said...
Big congrats to Heather Anne! Though I chose Luc, you were my second choice, so I'm glad that one of the two of you won.
Thanks again to Nathan and Holly for all their hard work.
- February 6, 2008 at 12:08 PM
- Carol Burge said...
Congratulations, Heather!Anne! And huge thanks to Nathan and Holly for putting their precious time into this. You guys rock!
- February 6, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Congrats to the finalists and others mentioned. And thanks to Nathan and Holly for their hard work and dedication in running the contest.
I know this is an immature reaction, but I'm feeling pretty low about the contest. I do understand that only a tiny percentage of entries can be recognized. But I'm now left in the uncomfortable position of questioning my work without knowing what specifically is wrong with it. (And of course it's gone through multiple critique groups,etc. I'm not trying to write in a vacuum.) My confidence is shaken. I do wish I hadn't entered.
I think it might help if Nathan addressed some of the common issues he saw with entries that didn't work for him. Perhaps that would help some of us who didn't win identify ways to improve.
- February 6, 2008 at 12:31 PM
- mlh said...
Congrats to Heather!Anne!.
But I'm wondering, who came in second place? I know you mentioned there would be a second place winner with a set of prizes for him/her? But you didn't mention the name?
Or did you just decide that the remaining four finalists were all second place winners and would receive similar prizes for getting this far?
- February 6, 2008 at 12:35 PM
- burgy61 said...
Congratulation's to Heather!Anne! and the other finalist.
Nathan, thanks for having this contest, it has been a real learning experience. Are you sure you want to have more contests? But I happen to know God loves crazy people, I eagerly await your next contest.
Holly, what can one say but THANK YOU! It was a big undertaking to read every submission and making your decisions must of been hard. From the quality of the ones I've read so far I wouldn't want to pick out a winner.
Congratulations to all who entered and the best of luck with your writing.
- February 6, 2008 at 1:07 PM
- Diana said...
I think it might help if Nathan addressed some of the common issues he saw with entries that didn't work for him. Perhaps that would help some of us who didn't win identify ways to improve.
Anon - it might just be that yours didn't hit the four things Nathan was looking for. It doesn't mean it was a bad first page. Unless, of course, there was a rotting corpse. He gave us his feelings on rotting corpses.
- February 6, 2008 at 1:18 PM
- Richard said...
I couldn't help but notice that the majority of Nathan's choices were written in the first person. Heather!Anne!, Luc and Terryd.
I guess this solidifies in my mind that a "no" from an agent doesn't reflect on your work...generally. It just means they don't feel your work.
- February 6, 2008 at 1:21 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
What I've learned from past contests is that my picks tend to reflect the entrants -- the majority if the entries were first person, and that's reflected in the finalists.
- February 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM
- Holly said...
Anonymous at 9:31am -- please don't let this shake your confidence. If you let me know which piece was yours (my email address is on my website), I'd be happy to give you some feedback on it, just from the viewpoint of a common reader.
- February 6, 2008 at 1:26 PM
That is so sweet of you, but that wouldn't be fair to you after having already done so much work. (You'd probably be inundated by other upset losers!)
Again, I'd love to hear some of the major problems Nathan saw with entries, in addition to rotting corpses. I'm pleased to say that my writing has never featured a corpse, rotting or not.
Look, I woke up in a bad mood because of the inept way California handled non-partisan voters, and took it out in the comments section here. Fascinating contest.. I've enjoyed it a lot, and apologize for being such a sad sack earlier. I'm over it!
- February 6, 2008 at 1:45 PM
- benwah said...
Anon, don't get down. No writer can be all things to all readers.
- February 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM
- Scott from Oregon said...
Having entered this party too late for consideration, I still think it was an amusing event.
I even enjoyed the angry vitriol from the anons, as if their righteousness was going to change our planetary trajectory and fix all that is broken in the world of books.
My biggest criticism of the chosen works was that I'd seen most of it all before. Reading, to me, should not be a deja vu experience. Ahh, but my bias is showing...
That said, I thought they were all exceptionally well written, and would give pleasure to many readers.
Thanks to Nathan and Holly for doing this. It has been educational and amusing to be sure...
- February 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM
- Cam said...
Whoo!Hoo!Good!Job!Heather!Anne! - and Nathan and Holly.
- February 6, 2008 at 1:57 PM
- Chro said...
Congratulations, Heather. You were my second choice, though that was probably because I'm a fan of sci-fi, and Luc wrote in my genre.
For the anonymous poster who thinks this is a 'fluff' blog, that assumes two things:
1) Luc's trailer-trash-in-space entry was 'fluffy'
2) 'Fluff' is defined by a site that isn't overrun by trolls who feel the bloggers OWE them something, particularly after they just hosted a fun contest where they had to read two novels worth of writing just out of the goodness of their hearts.
And lastly, to the anonymous poster who wished he knew what kept his from being selected: this is why a handful of us (including me) posted critiques on our blogs. Sure, we're not Holly or Nathan, but we're your average reader, and could hopefully give you some insight on why your opening isn't as good as it could be.
- February 6, 2008 at 2:01 PM
- Richard said...
- Nathan
That makes sense. It's also interesting that a majority were written that way. Is this a trend in the market or merely in the contest?
- February 6, 2008 at 2:11 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
My readers' WIPs tend to skew towards YA and commercial fiction, where first person is more common, I don't know that it's a trend overall, although definitely some very successful works of commercial/literary fiction (like THE KITE RUNNER) have gone that route.
- February 6, 2008 at 2:15 PM
- Richard said...
- Nathan
I noticed a lot of very heavy descriptions as well. This seems to have become popular since HP. Describing the feel of the sand, the smell of the cactus and finally the reason the character is in the sand smelling cactus'.
Is the market skewing that way? Or is my perception just off?
- February 6, 2008 at 2:23 PM
"I'm pleased to say that my writing has never featured a corpse, rotting or not."
Maybe that's the problem. Throw a corpse in there, see what happens.
- February 6, 2008 at 2:36 PM
- mlh said...
Oops, my apologies.
When going back through the other posts, you didn't mention announcing a second place winner.
My mistake.
- February 6, 2008 at 2:37 PM
- Jessica said...
Well done to everyone who entered!
- February 6, 2008 at 2:41 PM
- Adaora A. said...
LOLing Mlh my love.
Richard in HP it's pretty much necessary. The world is so rich with detail because every little bit you learn does come up later in the series. I was annoyed to say the least with the Heron pairing but I do know that about the HP books.
Nathan have you read all the HP books speaking of them?
Also have to ask: do you watch Gossip Girls? I remember you mentioning on the blog that you'd read one of them.
- February 6, 2008 at 2:43 PM
- Diana said...
I'm pleased to say that my writing has never featured a corpse, rotting or not.
That made me smile. And it feels like a line that should be on a first page somewhere.
- February 6, 2008 at 2:50 PM
- Richard said...
@ Adaora A.
I totally agree about HP. My comment was in no way a degradation of HP's storytelling ability. I was actually referring to post-HP syndrome. It seems to have become the norm for everything.
- February 6, 2008 at 2:56 PM
- Other Lisa said...
Congratulations to Heather!Ann!!
And how do I join the Penny Loafer club?
- February 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM
- Neptoon said...
Congratulations Heather!Anne!
I grew up when pennies bought things...when a movie, plus fifteen cartoons, popcorn and a coke hit you up for 35 cents. I believe I have seen your soup can man.
Would love to read more of his story.
In the aloha spirit, I would like to offer free surf lesssons to Heather!Anne! and the two courageous judges, Nathan and Holly, should any of them find their feet on the north shore of Kauai.
And finally, for a choice few brave anon's out there...both Proud and otherwise...I am offering some very special surf lessons for you...at secret spots...perfectly fit for your bravado.
In the spirit of aloha, of course...
- February 6, 2008 at 4:03 PM
- Phoenix said...
Late to the party, but wanting to throw in my congrats to Heather!Anne! and the other finalists, as well as my thank you to Nathan and Holly.
There's some tough competition out there!
- February 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Nathan and Holly,
Thanks for all your hard work, and cheerleading! This was great fun, and a nice bit of encouragement, as well.
Congratulations to Heather!Anne! and the other 5 finalists, and to all who bravely entered!
- February 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM
I feel like that old saying,"The more I learn the less I know" of the publishing world. However, in addition to a wonderful choice in Ms. Heather Anne's page, I feel like I've learned a bit more with this contest and thank you again for having it. It surprises me a little that some of the people who submitted their pages have had a negative response to their not being chosen, for this reason; To understand what an agent or avid blogger and reader (holly) believe is quality or at very least engaging writing is of utmost value. I couldn't read every submission, and quite frankly I experimented with mine sort of like changing lures when the fish don't bite sort of thing, but I took a great deal of knowledge away from the contest and immediately corrected some flaws in my own manuscript that I didn't fully understand before the contest. So, the bottom line, is thanks to the both of you, and know that there's an old man out in cyberspace that pops in here from time to time for a little inspiration.
- February 6, 2008 at 5:59 PM
- Linda Bleser said...
Congrats to Heather!Anne! and the other finalists. Great!job!everyone!
Thanks also to Holly for helping narrow the finalists down. Nathan, look at the bright side. Sure you had 675 entries in the contest, but that leaves 665 people who will probably never bother to query you because they didn't make the cut. If nothing else, you've cut your slush pile down considerably. :)
- February 6, 2008 at 6:47 PM
congrats, heather!anne! and to everyone else. great contest idea, Nathan! it was lots of fun to just be a part of it.
- February 6, 2008 at 7:31 PM
- McKoala said...
I thought I'd posted, but can't find it. I just wanted to just say thanks to all who entered and to Nathan and Holly for taking this on. It was great reading. Congratulations to all the finalists and especially to Heather!Anne!
- February 6, 2008 at 7:51 PM
- Kylie said...
I'll admit I'm somewhat surprised -- we managed to pull this off without a snark post from the fabulous Miss Snark. ;)
- February 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM
- superwench83 said...
Sure you had 675 entries in the contest, but that leaves 665 people who will probably never bother to query you because they didn't make the cut. If nothing else, you've cut your slush pile down considerably. :)
Doesn't cut me out of the slush pile! Hey, never know; might like what's on page 2. Besides, most of my novel takes place in San Francisco. It's like a rule that I have to query you or something.
And congrats, Heather!Anne! I almost voted for you. It was a hard choice between you and Luc!
- February 6, 2008 at 9:03 PM
- John Dixon said...
Congratulations to Heather!Anne! and all of the finalists.
Thanks, Nathan and Holly, for this very cool contest. It was a lot of fun, and it helped me to rethink the opening of the novel I'm preparing to shop.
- February 6, 2008 at 9:45 PM
- Julie Weathers said...
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- February 6, 2008 at 10:24 PM
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- February 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Congrats, Heather!Anne!
And thanks again to Nathan and Holly.
Fun, as always.
- February 7, 2008 at 12:32 AM
- Polenth said...
Someone wrote:
But I'm now left in the uncomfortable position of questioning my work without knowing what specifically is wrong with it. (And of course it's gone through multiple critique groups,etc. I'm not trying to write in a vacuum.) My confidence is shaken. I do wish I hadn't entered.
You might have a beautifully written piece that isn't the sort of thing Nathan reads/represents. Nathan and Holly didn't have identical lists of pages they liked. My favourites didn't make it to the final. People aren't saying it's subjective just to be nice. It's true. Reading tastes vary widely.
- February 7, 2008 at 2:27 AM
- Maripat said...
Congratulations, Heather!!
- February 7, 2008 at 7:50 AM
No Wednesday post? Oh my god, we finally broke him.
- February 7, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Thanks Nathan & Holly ... I really enjoyed and every contest I enter I learn a great deal about my writing and come up with new ideas for re-writes.
A Big Congrats to Heather!Anne!
And I've always loved the exclamation point - glad to see it's the new rage :o)
And to all the finalists - way to go!!!
And to the rests of us who entered - bravo for having the courage to put yourself out there!!!
- February 7, 2008 at 11:18 AM
- danceluvr said...
Can any of us who weren't in the finalists get some kind of comment from either Nathan or Holly or any of Nathan's minions about why ours didn't "cut it"?
I know I'm disappointed my first page or so wasn't picked.
- February 7, 2008 at 5:58 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
Sorry guys, I know people want more feedback, but I feel like I've done two posts on what worked for me with the winners. It's not so much about what didn't work with the ones who weren't finalists as what DID work with the ones that were. Only six could be finalists -- the rest were a range of not-there-yet to pretty good to very good, but I don't think there's any way for me to give a real breakdown.
- February 7, 2008 at 6:26 PM
- ChristineEldin said...
All of the finalists were very, very good. But I favored Heather!Anne!'s--such a great voice!!!!
Congratulations to all!!
- February 8, 2008 at 8:21 AM
- Charlotte said...
Just come back from a week's holiday to discover I was a finalist. Woo-hoo! Thanks Nathan and Holly for your enormous efforts, and for making this writer's year.
- February 10, 2008 at 1:05 PM
I was on an intensive working non-holiday and just found this. Congrats to Heather!Anne! and all posters! Thanks to Nathan and Holly for lending their minds and eyes so generously! It really helps to see what grabs you.
- February 11, 2008 at 1:35 PM
- Lincoln Highwayman said...
Congratulations to all the winners. And thank you Nathan & Holly for taking on this contest.
I hope everyone had as much fun with this as I did.
- February 11, 2008 at 7:20 PM


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The Biblical principle of lex talionis - "an eye for an eye" - is often seen as embodying a primitive form of retaliation. Originally, though,it implied a restriction on disproportionate vengefulness. Since human society began there has been a tension between the instinctive desire for excessive punishment and the greater good of punitive restraint. It is a mark of civilisation that punishment should not always fit the crime - if only because some crimes would seem to require punishment so extreme - if it "fit" - that society as a whole would be barbarised by their implementation.
A culture that exhibits excessive retribution is one that has not achieved, or has lost, a sense of evolved morality. We rightly hold up Saudi Arabia, with its floggings and amputations, as an example of what happens when law becomes ossified into obedience to an outmoded text. A recent, horrifying case was reported from Somalia in which a 13 year old girl, accused of "immorality" (it seems she had been raped, but it scarcely matters) was stoned to death by a bunch of crazed Islamic militants convinced that they were upholding divine justice. A thousand people stood by and watched. Is there really so much difference between her murderers and the Facebook vigilantes getting off on dreaming up novel ways to torture Woman C? The self-righteousness is the same, the lynch-mob mentality is the same, the ignorance of the actual facts is the same.
One of the first stories in the Bible concerns the rights of a murderer. After Cain murdered his brother Abel, the tale goes, he was exiled to the land of Nod; but along with exile came protection. Although with Abel dead there was presumably no-one else to worry about (besides Adam and Eve, that is) Genesis records that Cain was anxious even then about people taking the law into their own hands:
And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; ...and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond upon the earth; and it shall come to pass that everyone that findeth me shall slay me.
To which the Lord (who was no doubt familiar with the intricacies of the Human Rights Act) had the following reassurance to offer:
And the Lord said to him, Therefore whoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Later on in the Old Testament, of course, God has no problem with ordaining all sorts of punishments which we might today find excessive, such as the stoning to death of disobedient children, the killing of persons collecting sticks on the sabbath or of animals who have had the misfortune to have been buggered. But the original point still stands: when God says "Vengeance is mine" (Deuteronomy 32:35) he is claiming a monopoly of violence; in a theocratic polity such as ancient Israel, this is equivalent to an insistence on due process of law.
Nor was Yahweh alone in his desire to override the ancient rights of vengeance in the greater interest of community cohesion. In Aeschylus' Eumenides there is a dialogue between the goddess Athena and the Furies, who have been pursuing and tormenting the matricide Orestes as was their immemorial wont. These ancient spirits present the classic argument of vigilantes that they are the custodians of natural law. When called upon to give evidence in court, they protest that they are not troubled by legal niceties, since their morality is older than any legal system. "You wish to be considered righteous, but not to act with justice," retorts Athena. But for the Furies, as for the Facebook vigilantes, the law is inadequate:
If this legal action triumphs,
if now this matricide prevails,
then newly set divine decrees
will overthrow all order.
Mortals will at once believe
that everything's permitted.
From now on parents can expect
repeated blows of suffering
inflicted by their children—
now and in time yet to come.
It reads almost like a Daily Mail editorial.
There are, of course, many people who knew baby Peter and whose emotion is real and raw: the Sun, contradicting earlier claims, reported on Saturday that his funeral was well-attended. But most of those on Facebook working themselves into paroxysms of rage over what they have read are expressing an essentially fake emotion. Few, of course, would present any real danger to Woman C on her release: it is enough for their sense of self-righteousness and sentimentality to fantasise online about torturing her to death. Yet we have had instances before in recent history of anti-paedophile campaigns where a mob rises to a pitch of hysteria on the rumour that a child abuser has moved into an area. Even if it turns out to have been a paediatrician. There have been deaths - evants often inaccurately described as the perpetrator "taking the law into their own hands". It is not the law, but lawlessness, that vigilantes take into their own hands. Once upon a time, it would have been "witches".
The Mail report mentions that Maxine Carr, whose former boyfriend Ian Huntley murdered two little girls in 2002, has had to be moved at least 11 times since her release from prison. She played no part in the murders, which occured while she was 100 miles away, and it seems not unlikely that her abusive lover coerced her into lying on his behalf. Such subtleties were however lost on newspapers such as the Sun, which cynically stoked up a hate campaign against her and then had the temerity to complain about the cost of her protection.
The popular press, with its sensationalising and sentimentalising of every distressing case, bears the heaviest responsibility for this ugly and atavistic culture of vigilantism. Its coverage of Baby Peter has been virtually pornographic in its lingering upon every horrific detail of the child's suffering. In portraying the adults involved as simplistic avatars of evil they have done little to explain, or give any sense of, what might actually have occured. I have no desire to excuse or minimise the enormity of what happened; but then I simply don't know what happened. Neither did the jury, who failed to convict anyone of murder. The most detailed reports - found, it need hardly be said, in the News of the World - rely on the testimony of a fifteen year-old girl who was the live-in girlfriend of one of the accused, Owen. Her testimony places the blame squarely on Man B. (Today, "Mary chillingly reveals how she SHUDDERED as Baby P was taught to perform Nazi salutes by his tattooed Hitler-loving skinhead stepfather.") Yet Man B was not found guilty of murder.
Be that as it may, the law, however humanly flawed and inadequate, must be allowed to take its course. The alternative is the anarchy of mob-rule - something which much of the coverage seems designed to elicit - if only to provide another story. Tabloid indulgence in the mentality of the lynch mob fits into a pattern of populist anti-law journalism that goes back at least two decades. The judges, according to this analysis, are always "liberal", sentences invariably too soft, human rights are for offenders and come at the expense of victims and ordinary taxpayers, politicians aren't doing enough, prison is cushy and lawyers are overpaid.
In recent years - and especially since the rise of New Labour - this anti-justice campaign has been joined and exploited by politicians. There has been a continuous rhetoric of crackdowns, of "naming and shaming" (amid stiff competition, perhaps New Labour's favourite soundbite) of "re-balancing" and "getting tough", a constant invocation of victims as arbiters or touchstones of morality. Some of the most unattractive features of American criminal process have been copied. The result has been, among other things, the largest prison population in Europe (yet not the lowest crime-rate) accompanied by an increased public awareness of (and therefore fear of) the extremes of violent criminality. Media-obsessed politicians have played on fears of youth-disorder to turn adults against children and pathologise perfectly normal (if sometimes inconvenient) aspects of growing up. They have played shamelessly to the most base and unreflective elements of society - elements which, in their arrogant and isolated liberal redoubts, they presumably regard as typical of "ordinary people".
Early on in Labour's term of office the then Home Secretary Jack Straw led the condemnation of an author who had written a book about Mary Bell who, as a child (but in a much less hysterical climate) had killed a baby and spent her adolescence in correctional institutions. The notion that Mary Bell - a troubled, abused child herself when she committed her juvenile crime - might have an interesting and relevant story to tell about the roots of evil was lost on press and politicians alike, who acted as though there were actual virtue in the perpetuation of ignorance. This disgraceful episode has set the pattern for more than a decade of competition between the Right-wing press and a Left-wing government as to who can most successfully undermine the foundations of a civilised society. So far, I'd say New Labour are just ahead. They, after all, have the power.
How do they justify it? Perhaps along the lines suggested in this passage by Aeschylus, to whom I shall leave the last word:
But these Furies also have their function.
That's something we just cannot set aside.
So if they fail to triumph in this case,
they'll spread their poisonous resentment—
it will seep underground, infecting us,
bring perpetual disease upon our land,
something we can't bear. So stands the case.


description: September 7, 2013—Jade bi (discs), from China, that resemble modern-day CD's or donuts, and date to the late Neolithic Period, Liangzhu culture (ca. 3300-2250 BC) remain a mystery. Researchers at the Smithsonian's Freer and Sackler galleries in Washington, D.C., are among those who have studied the bi.

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Janet Douglas, Conservation Scientist, Smithsonian Freer and Sackler Galleries:
"Most people, I think, when they're thinking about jade imaging a bright green material that we commonly see in jewelry. But the Chinese jade tends not to be that bright green material. It tends to be darker, more subtle colors."
Keith Wilson, Curator of Ancient Chinese Art, Smithsonian Freer and Sackler Galleries:
"The Freer possesses one of the large collections of ancient jades from the Neolithic culture that we now call Liangzhu. The culture is names after its first discover site near Hangzhou, which is essentially southwest of Shanghai."
"Bi discs are essentially round, flat donuts. They're created from, in general, nephrite which is a specific kind of jade material. They were clearly important to the society that created them. They're found in Chinese tombs, elite burials, often in large number. The on-going mystery is exactly why they were made and why they were put in tombs."
Janet Douglas, Conservation Scientist, Smithsonian Freer and Sackler Galleries:
"I think that the shape of the bi was chosen because they learned how to work that shape using rotating tools, a turn-table or some sort of mechanical device to rotate the jade. We have a lot of ideas about how jades were worked. And we are quite sure they were largely worked with mineral abrasives. So through the abrasive process of rubbing the surface of the jade one way or another, whether it's sawing or creating a drill hole, mineral abrasives would have been used because not tool would have been available during the Neolithic period."
Keith Wilson, Curator of Ancient Chinese Art, Smithsonian Freer and Sackler Galleries:
"Clearly it was not made by average people. These were highly trained artisans who were responsible for making these objects. The material itself is rare. Notoriously difficult to work so that creation of these objects in nephrite represent a great expenditure of social wealth at the time."
Janet Douglas, Conservation Scientist, Smithsonian Freer and Sackler Galleries:
"Normally when jade objects come into our laboratory for examination, the first thing we do is we studied it visually under a microscope. They curator usually would like to know the mineral composition of the object. We use techniques such x-ray diffraction and Fourier transform-infrared spectroscopy to analyze the jade material. We look for evidence of manufacturing to learn how the object was made. That includes looking a the overall shape and form of the object and more detailed look at the tool marks left on the surface of the jade."
Keith Wilson, Curator of Ancient Chinese Art, Smithsonian Freer and Sackler Galleries:
"Because of the development of archaeology in China and the great interest in Liangzhu culture, it's encouraged us here at the museum to use our collection of some 125 objects as a kind of sample to improve our understanding of the manufacturing techniques of this ancient culture."


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Sustainable. Stylish. Social - Social Media Week NYC 2/19
The Social Media Blueprint for the Eco-Fashion Entrepreneur
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The growing demand for sustainable fashion and beauty is quickly changing the way people view eco-friendly products. Though 70 percent of Americans seek sustainably made products, successful eco-companies are struggling to find the right audience and deliver the proper message in order to create an impact that sticks.
This discussion and networking event during the height of NYC Social Media Week will provide insight as to how green fashion and beauty entrepreneurs and startups can market their businesses using social media strategies to establish an authentic online voice that connect with eco-conscious consumers.
- Learn how to develop strategic partnerships with eco-influencers for lasting brand growth.
- Start creating content that sticks and motivates consumers to not only support your business, but the eco-movement as a whole.
- Gain insight on how to serve as an informative resource in the sustainable style industry and not just a product pusher.
- Create a following that allows you to listen in on the conversation, gather feedback and understand the needs of your community.
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Jennifer Barckley - Director, Brand Communications and Values for The Body Shop
Yoli Ouiya - Green & Healthy Living Expert and Green Chef, Yoli's Green Living
Erin Schrode - Founder of Teens Turning Green
Sherrell Dorsey - Eco-Glamour Expert & Social Media Strategist (OBV Media)
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5th Floor
New York,
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Mark Pett was skeptical when a fellow cartoonist suggested he try writing a story using only illustrations.
That fellow cartoonist wasn't just any old illustrator. It was Mark Tatulli, award-winning creator of the internationally syndicated "Lio," a "pantomime" comic strip drawn without words.
Pett took the challenge, albeit gradually. Settling into the small artist's studio in the basement of an Avenues home he shares with his wife and two daughters in Salt Lake City, Pett sketched out a multitude of "warm-up" illustrations until he felt confident enough to embark on a story told through actions, but no text.
It wasn't as if Pett were a stranger to children's books or comics. He created two syndicated strips of his own, "Mr. Lowe" and "Lucky Cow." Working with New York City-based writer Gary Rubinstein, Pett co-authored and illustrated the 2011 book The Girl Who Never Made Mistakes. But even Pett was surprised at how Tatulli's challenge transformed his creative process.
"So many comics and stories tend to become talking heads over time," Pett said. "Your characters talk, but nothing really happens and you lose a large part of what story is. Without words, you have to show what happens rather than write it."
In the process, Pett rediscovered Aristotle's famous maxim that "character is action." He also produced a children's book that generated bids from at least three publishers before it was finally sold to Simon & Schuster.
Rendered in muted, vintage-toned tan and red, The Boy and the Airplane uses a spare 40 pages to tell the story of a child's joy upon receiving a toy airplane, his frustration when it lands by mistake on a rooftop, the measures he takes to retrieve it and the long wait until he at last gets it back. The book compacts the passage of a lifetime, and imparts lessons of wisdom and patience, by reminding adult readers of the thrills of childhood even as it prepares children for the journey toward their own maturity.
Pett resorts to words only in the book's dedication to his wife, and in letters that also reveal the story's parable, inscribed at the end: "For Tiffany, who was worth the wait."
There were times, Pett said, when he felt tempted to use words here and there. In the end, the story prevailed without them.
"I ended up never needing them," he said. "The chances are greater the story might be misunderstood or misinterpreted, but that's what happens when you send a story out into the world. It's no longer yours, and people get to see in it what they want."
Rubinstein, with whom Pett co-wrote The Girl Who Never Made Mistakes, said the first drafts reminded him of Shel Silverstein's fable-like books, The Missing Piece and The Giving Tree.
"It works from the idea that simple images say a lot," said Rubinstein, a high-school math teacher in New York City. "I think [Pett's book] will appeal to people all over the world."
Simple, though, does not mean the book was produced without effort. Pett said he drew painstaking, realistic "warm-up" sketches to make his drawing style limber, loose and natural enough for the finished book.
"It's much like a golfer trains," he said. "There are years of work and preparation before making that crucial putt that lasts only seconds."
His only challenge now, as he embarks on a nationwide tour to promote the book, is how he might conduct the traditional "reading" book fans have grown accustomed to.
"I'm looking forward to kids who might want to help me tell the story as they see the pictures," Pett said. "I love the fact that a pre-reader can read this book as well as any adult. At the same time, I welcome any suggestions anyone might have about how to read a wordless book."
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When • April 2, 6:30 p.m.; May 18, 11 a.m., for Children's Book Week.
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Oh, sure, if these were the good old days and a river of pure gold ran through the Weekly's newsroom, we'd have the room to run a theater review each week, and we'd write more about EVERY theater in the county and Long Beach. But that doesn't change the fact that the intrepid band of thespians that runs OC's only theater devoted to stories that comment in some way on the LGBT experience has received short shrift in our pages. It's not by choice: There are only so many plays we can squeeze into our coverage, and simply due to timing (short theatrical runs, multiple plays to choose from, the cruel reality of deadlines), since forming in 2006, the Santa Ana-based Theatre Out has received only one full review in the Weekly. And that's a shame. While many of the plays have favored, in the words of literary director Darcy Hogan, "rich, interesting life stories over skin, sex and violence," there have been some quite striking choices, such as Angels In America, The Laramie Project, and Hedwig and the Angry Inch. And how we couldn't squeeze in a review of a play called Southern Baptist Sissies is just unconscionable.
We heard that electronic experimentalists Do LaB started putting on Lightning In a Bottle because they didn't want to be twiddling their thumbs between Coachella and Burning Man every year. The three-night, four-day festival at Oak Canyon Ranch features DJs, bands, installation art, spiritual talks, yoga and organic food, ensuring a lot of Hula-Hooping, fire-dancing and brain-wobbling from attendees. Bringing a crunchy-granola vibe to antiseptic Orange County is a feat in itself (be prepared for poi spinning and worm-composting classes), but it's so family-friendly that circus performers and freaks on stilts commingle with 5-year-olds racing toy boats on the lake. The sun floats down in dazzling shades of orange, pink and blue over Irvine Lake every day, giving way to the festival's neon lights, four-on-the-floor house beats, and performances from such big-name acts as Booka Shade and the Album Leaf. Transcendent.
The Hootenanny serves as not only an annual rockabilly festival, but also a retro fashion show. Though respect must be paid to those talented gentlemen who pull off gravity-defying pompadours, the main attraction is the women. They need not bare all to turn heads, as they parade in lavish updos, vintage-cut dresses and stilettos. No hair is out of place, and their makeup is always flawless despite early-July temperatures that reach toward the triple digits. Some girls look to the likes of Bettie Page, Mae West and Dita Von Teese for inspiration. Others take Old Hollywood glamour or 1950s-housewife style and fuse it with punk and tattoo culture. The result is modern homage to midcentury styles at the largest local rockabilly event.
Good God, this album rocks. From beginning to end, listening to this 11-song set generates the same apoplectic anxiety and guilty fun you experienced as a 15-year-old sneaking out in the middle of the night to ride on the back of your boyfriend's motorcycle and drink beers in abandoned warehouses. Consider the anthemic swagger of "Jules' Story," or the exultant, heart-stopping breaks of "Always Afraid." Crystal Antler's sophomore release uses the requisite five-man-band instruments to display a sophisticated take on arrythmic beats, shrieking vocals and shredding, rollercoaster-y, feedbacking guitars. And somehow (especially on songs such as "Fortune Telling"), the overall set conveys a sinister, sexy mood that makes you greedy for song after song after song, until you've listened to the album 20 times on repeat without noticing.
"Rock band" may be a bit generic a descriptor for this quartet, whose sound righteously struts the battlements of metal, rock and indie. But the "best" part is apt. Winners of the award for Best New Artist at this year's Orange County Music Awards, Railroad to Alaska bring to the stage an invigorating blend of visceral energy and inventive artistry. While banging their heads behind sprawling waves of cascading hair, guitarists Justin Suitor and Jeff Lyman pluck out a nimble interplay of classic-rock-era riffage in the vein of AC/DC mixed with psychedelic, reverb-laden ambiance. While their songs sound great on an iPod, their live shows are the main event: Witness Suitor abandoning the stage to howl amongst the metal monkeys in the pit. Interesting side note: Suitor demonstrates his range of talent and lends his songwriting services to local pop band Honeypie.
The Cosmonauts are punk as fuck, just not in the sped-up-and-spit-out-lyrics-to-three-chord-guitar-songs way. No, they're punk as fuck in that careless, who-gives-a-shit, it's-all-about-honest-to-goodness-rock-&-roll way. Just don't equate that with sloppiness. Their songs have garbled vocals, spun-around choruses and distorted, spacey guitar drones, but they're deliciously hook-heavy and incredibly danceable. Watching the band live, prepare to sweat your socks off.


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By Gale Fiege Herald Writer
EVERETT — It was a feeling similar to watching the collapse of the World Trade Center towers.
When he heard the tragic news Sunday that 19 hotshot wildfire fighters were dead in Arizona, Getchell Fire Chief Travis Hots felt it in his gut.
"This is a very sad day for the fire service community nationwide," Hots said. "It's a huge blow. It's off-the-charts terrible. I can't imagine losing half my crew."
"Hotshots are rugged, super-fit, firefighting machines," Hots said. "They are the ones on the front lines of all the dangerous fires."
Hots did not want to speculate what might have happened to the Granite Mountain crew.
"We need to honor these guys and their sacrifice by learning what happened," Hots said, "and working to prevent this kind of tragedy from happening again."
The U.S. Forest Services lists about 110 hotshot crews nationwide, each with about 20 people.
The regional, Sedro-Woolley-based Baker River Interagency Hotshot Crew currently is deployed to the southwestern states, said Renee Bodine, spokeswoman for the Mount Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest. None of the retired hotshots Bodine knows were willing Monday to be interviewed about the tragedy.
"They're all taking it very hard," Bodine said.
Chief Hots, 37, is a second-generation, 20-year fire service veteran. He has spent summers with the state's mobile fire response team, providing backup support to hotshot crews. Last summer Hots spent three weeks on the team, fighting fires in the Chelan area and near Shelton.
About 80 firefighters in Snohomish County are trained to work as part of the mobile wildfire team, and about 35 of those people are ready to go any time, Hots said.
"We're getting ready to head to Eastern Washington again. We anticipate another bad fire season," he said. "The same people from Snohomish County go each year, and we get to know each other's strengths and abilities. We have great respect for the hotshot crews we know. Their work ethic is phenomenal."
Hots guesses that many of the Granite Mountain hotshots, ages 21 to 43, were fathers and husbands.
"One of the ways we can honor them is by making sure that we help support their families," he said.
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text: On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 11:28:57AM -0400, Tony Schreiner alleged: > I'm still working on integrating a host as a client into a cluster > > The cluster server and nodes are running version 1.2.0p4 compiled > from source. > > Things are working for me if I run the same version on the new > client. But I want to start upgrading, and I am trying the RPM > version for Fedora 4 which is built from version 2.1.2. > > Running the RPM version I get the "undefined attribute" errror when I > try to select a specfic computational node with > > # qsub -l nodes=node4 job > qsub: Undefined attribute > > I can however queue and run jobs without the "-l nodes=" option. > > The options works if I use the 1.2.0p4 version. > > Do I need to add something to make "-l nodes=" work? Yes, you need to talk to a 2.1.2 pbs_server. The newer qsub is trying to set the "submit_args" attribute on the server.