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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:53 pm
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A+ for effort. On the raiders: our OC Knapp will be gone, otherwise Raider fans will be raging. Lecher won't be franchised, he'll be cut. I expect more players to be cut as well - Seymour and McClain mainly.
First of all, amazing effort dude. Simply amazing. Some notes for Oakland:
1. Knapp will not be retained.
2. Seymour will be cut/traded.
3. Lechler wont be franchised, he will be let go. King is the future punter in Oakland.
4. Giordano should be cut.
5. Love the Howling and Sims signing
6. Rather sign Levitre for OG.
7. Would prefer to sign Larry Grant for MLB.
8. I like the return of Carr. He would help alot for returning duties.
9. I like Moore in the first, but Lattimore is not a need imo. We have much bigger needs than an injured RB.
10. Rather draft Rambo or Sylvester over the TE.
All in all, I would be content with this offseason.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:57 pm
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Perfect for the Bears
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:59 pm
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Why would the Rams trade Bradford? He's progressing nicely. He has all the skills you look for. He just needs a true #1 WR to go along with Amendola, Givens and Quick. When he gets that, look out. Keenan Allen?
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:18 pm
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RaidersAreOne wrote:
Raidin wrote:
A+ for effort. On the raiders: our OC Knapp will be gone, otherwise Raider fans will be raging. Lecher won't be franchised, he'll be cut. I expect more players to be cut as well - Seymour and McClain mainly.
First of all, amazing effort dude. Simply amazing. Some notes for Oakland:
1. Knapp will not be retained.
2. Seymour will be cut/traded.
3. Lechler wont be franchised, he will be let go. King is the future punter in Oakland.
4. Giordano should be cut.
5. Love the Howling and Sims signing
6. Rather sign Levitre for OG.
7. Would prefer to sign Larry Grant for MLB.
8. I like the return of Carr. He would help alot for returning duties.
9. I like Moore in the first, but Lattimore is not a need imo. We have much bigger needs than an injured RB.
10. Rather draft Rambo or Sylvester over the TE.
All in all, I would be content with this offseason.
Hold the phone on Levitre, we will have Byrd extended soon enough leaving Levitre at minimum franchised
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:06 am
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Atlanta (14-2):
Acquired via Trade: RB Maurice Jones-Drew
RB Michael Turner
Franchised: S William Moore
UFA Resigned:
TE Tony Gonzalez
OT Sam Baker
DT Vance Walker
CB Chris Owens
UFA Signed:
QB Trent Edwards
RB Tashard Choice
OG Louis Vazquez
DT Kevin Williams
CB Kyle Arrington
28. Tony Jefferson S Oklahoma
58. Brennan Williams OT North Carolina
I don't mind the offseason at all but with that offseason the actual draft doesn't make any sense to me for the Falcons.
I don't understand why we would take a Safety in the 1st round when we have one of the top 3 safety duo's in the entire nfl and 2 top 15 safety's in Willy Mo and Thomas Decoud.
I say we go DE/DT and TE in those 2 rounds to go with the the offseason you gave us. Maybe Okafor in the 2nd round at DE and John Jenkins in the 1st round at DT.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:16 am
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Don't mind the Bengals offseason too much. But a TE in the 1st? We need LB help a ton more than TE. That is nothing more than a late round need
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:33 am
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Oh man, you must really not like Pittsburgh.
We only win two of the last four games? We play four games we shouldn't have a problem winning now that Ben is back.
Then in the offseason, we
Kennan Lewis? No thanks. He isn't going to hold out for some crazy payment. He's had a good first year as a starter, but there's no chance we overpay for him
We then sign Derek Anderson as a back-up? I'd rather have Batch at this point.
Then, you have us trade for Titus Young? Why in the world would we give away a 5th for him? He's a proven cancer. He can't get the ball as a #2 WR in Detroit and threw a fit, why would we want him here? Pittsburgh won't put up with Wallace, what makes you think they'll even consider Young? He'd be the #4 option here.
Then, in the draft, we go for a ILB in the first and then a WR in the second? Again, you had a waste a 5th on Young, after we already drafted another WR? How many do you expect us to have on the roster?
Steelers need a future NT, ILB, OLB, S. One of these was fixed in the draft, but by taking a player who is better off at OLB in the NFL. I don't see Ogletree as a 3-4 OLB.
Overall, this looks horrible for the Steelers. I'm not a fan at all.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:41 am
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I was going to complain about this, and then I saw that you have the Pats signing Revis. I don't think he's a free agent, but I'm not going to complain
In reality, I see no way they can afford to resign Welker, franchise Vollmer, sign Revis, and sign Harvin (he said he wants an extension this offseason). Having Welker go elsewhere is the easy solution, but I could also see the Pats not trading for Harvin, and instead drafting Tavon Austin. He's a pretty similar though unproven player, but with a much more reasonable contract than the one Harvin will want.
I also don't like seeing Cunningham traded. Before his suspension, he was filling the subpackage DT role very nicely, to the tune of 2.5 sacks, I believe 4 holding penalties, and 2 fumble recoveries. He's far too quick for most guards to handle. And if this suspension makes him stop whatever he may have been doing and decline physically, then he's useless and not worth trading for.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:01 am
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Revis is not a FA.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:29 am
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Sal Sunseri?
Is that some kind of joke?
He put out the worst defense in Tennessee Volunteers history and you think he's going to move up to the NFL?
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:03 am
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Very interesting but very unlikely. Whiz will be fired unless Arizona some how wins 4 in row to finishes 8-8 but that not going to happen and he will be fired. Very huge long shot that Rod Graves would get fired and if he does the guy most likely to replace him will be Steve Keim not Jason Licht. I all so have a problem with the player signed as none are upgrades.
Felix Jones: does not offer Arizona anything. We all ready have speed RB who can't stay healthy.
Brad Smith: I really don't see the point of this one.
Gosder Cherlius: a nice back up at RT but that about it.
King Dunlap: Another decent back up but proved no upgrade.
Both OT really just suck if were any good would be keep by thier current teams. Nice back up but nothing more.
Spencer Johnson: Arizona all ready has enough aged back up DE.
Don Carey: nothing really to say about him. Most likely does not even make the team. Same goes for for the other 4 or 5 guys. One of the tackles most likely make it as a back up but that about it.
On to the draft
3. Geno Smith QB West Virginia: I don't mind the pick or the trade up to get him but I fine it highly unlikely Arizona would do it.
52. Cyril Richardson OG Baylor: So you think he comes out early for the draft.
85. Stedman Bailey WR West Virginia: I really don't understand this pick at all. We don't need any WR.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:05 am
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There's no way that Jordan Poyer falls to the second round. He's going to run extremely well at the combine and is one of the better cover corners in the class.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:08 am
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Draft is not too bad for the Eagles... Everything else is.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:28 pm
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Absolute worst offseason possible for the Browns.
Terrible Terrible Terrible.
Every single move you made was straight garbage. It is the exact kind of thing that would ruin this franchise for another decade at least.
Sam Bradford hasn't proven any more than Brandon Weeden in 3 years compared to 1 year.
Why would we let Ben Watson get away then draft an overrated and terrible blocking TE in the 3rd?
Reggie Hodges has been a terrible punter. Not only will we not franchise him we will not even look to retain him at any price.
Matt Shaghnessy is terrible. We have a 3 better DEs on the roster as it is already.
Derek Landi is not needed as we go 4 deep right now and the 5th DT Ishmaai'lly Kitchen would be a great 3 or 4 on most teams. We may be a very under talented team but when it comes to DT rotation we have the best Top 4 in the NFL.
Brandon Gibson would just be a camp body so I guess I won't complain there.
I really really really like Sam Montgomery as an all around DE, but we have a great run stopping DE right now. What we need is a lights out pass rusher. As much as I like Sam he is not a lights out pass rusher.
Andy Reid is not welcome anywhere near my team. I would dumb the Browns for good if that overrated fat lard comes our way. He passes the ball far too much and reverts too much blame to everyone else. He acts like a God who can do no football wrong. We drafted a running back 3rd overall to run the football when it gets cold. The fat retard that is Andy Reid would throw the ball 70% of the time and bury our potential like he ruinned the potential in Philadelphia.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:16 pm
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ninjapirate wrote:
Hate the coaches you have us hire. No interest in Gruden or ryan coming to our team.
FA pretty much is awful except for Grimes. The rest I'd rather not.
No interest in Michael Huff.
If you trade Maclin actually replace him.
Star is Ok, but I would prefer a pass rusher.
We don't really need an OT. Not enough to trade back into the first for one.
We need a franchise QB Dysert is a waste of a pick.
Good effort but I really would be upset with that for teh eagles.
Agreed, though I'd be completely happy with Star.
With this mock, Woods or Allen would be a much better pick in the second half of round 1 than Fisher.
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Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the Secretary of the Interior is authorized and directed to sell the trust allotment of Clara Whitesell, Standing Rock allottee numbered 915, described as the east half of southwest quarter and west half southeast quarter section 36, township 21 north, range 29 east, Black Hills meridian, South Dakota, conveyance to be made by the issuance of a patent in fee to the purchaser, and to distribute the proceeds of such sale to the said Clara Whitesell.
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Monday, April 6, 2009
Announcing the "Be An Agent for a Day" Contest
Here's the deal. The commenters who participated in Agentfail expressed quite a lot of angst about agents who don't respond to queries. Lots of people think we should respond to every single person who queries us.
So. Want to see what it's like to manage a slush pile for a day? Think you can spot the good queries from the bad? Wondering how the view looks from our side? Think it's easy to respond to everyone?
Here's how this will work.
1. If you'd like to volunteer a query for Be An Agent for a Day, please e-mail your entry to firstname.lastname@example.com. It can be a real query or a fake query, but if it's a fake query, please at least make it a stab at a real query rather than a parody. When you e-mail your query to firstname.lastname@example.com you consent to have it publicly posted on the blog. It's an opportunity for some valuable query feedback. (I probably won't be able to use every volunteer's query, so I apologize in advance.)
2. Published (or soon to be published) authors: I need you. I would love it if you would share some of your queries for your actually published books. Please tell me who you really are when you e-mail, but change your name and the title of the book in the query.
3. On Monday the 13th I will begin posting 50 queries throughout the day. (This is a light day. I'm letting you off easy.) I'll automate them in advance to post sporadically throughout the day, so there will be bursts of queries and then dead periods. It would probably be easiest to track the blog through Google Reader or another feed reader to simulate e-mails coming into your inbox.
4. This is where you come in. You will read and respond to as many queries as you can. You will have one week to respond to all 50 queries. You can draft your own rejection letter and manuscript request letter (personalized or non-personalized, your choice), which you will paste in the comments section of each query. You might even provide some specific feedback to try and help the author if you're feeling extra conscientious.
5. You may request no more than five manuscripts, because hey, you're not going to have time for your clients if you request more than five manuscripts for every 50 queries.
6. For the purposes of this contest you are looking for queries that demonstrate publishable potential, not necessarily your genres of interest.
7. Now the fun part: we'll see how good people are at requesting the queries for books that ended up being published. I'll post the requested/rejected stats for the actually published books on Monday the 20th, and crown the Superstar Agents who request all of the actually published books. The superstars may win a special prize (provided there are not 7,000 winners). Also, if you volunteered your query, you can track your response rate and feedback to see how your query fares.
8. If you subscribe to the blog via e-mail you will need to click through to the blog to participate. DO NOT E-MAIL ME YOUR RESPONSES. I mean it, e-mail subscribers. You must leave your responses on the actual blog. I'm afraid I'm also not able to offer tech support.
9. I thought about being extra mean and making you also do things like compare contracts and follow up on submissions, but I realize people have day jobs as well. So I decided to make it just slush.
10. Keep in mind that the quality of the queries will be far, far better on average than we agents actually receive, because anyone who volunteers their query reads agent blogs and is thus way ahead of at least 50% of the people who query me. And I realize that some of the test queries may be for books that will subsequently go on to be published books. But still: try and spot the already-published ones.
11. Please don't give it away when you see your query or if you recognize someone else's. Just respond with a standard rejection or request.
Also a note about this week: Tuesday and Wednesday the blog will be dark as I'm off to Oklahoma to meet the good people at the University of Tulsa. Thursday I will hopefully post This Week in Publishing, and I'm off again on Friday. I'll start posting the contest queries next Monday.
Please let me know if you have any questions in the comments section! As always, rules and regulations subject to change without notice.
181 comments:
- Sarah Laurenson said...
What fun. I'd love to 'play', but work won't let me see blogs.
- April 6, 2009 at 12:25 AM
- Bane of Anubis said...
Great idea Jim!
- April 6, 2009 at 12:57 AM
- Marilyn Peake said...
This is very cool.
- April 6, 2009 at 12:58 AM
- T. Anne said...
Sounds entertaining and a bit stressful all at once. I can't wait to play.
- April 6, 2009 at 1:17 AM
- John Baird said...
This is one of those rare ideas that's innovative as well as educational. I'm willing to read a mile in your shoes. Thanks.
- April 6, 2009 at 1:26 AM
Wow. I normally lurk on this blog, but I just had to come out and say, What a great idea! Good Luck to everyone.
- April 6, 2009 at 1:33 AM
You're coming to Tulsa? I'll have to investigate. It's only a short hour or so from OKC, and I must know what brings you to our side of the country, otherwise known as We're-Not-All-Rednecks-I-Swear!
This sounds like a fantastic idea. I may even send out a query of my own.
- April 6, 2009 at 1:36 AM
- Diana said...
Oh, very cool! I will have to be an agent who reviews queries in the wee hours, since it would be frowned upon to do this at work.
- April 6, 2009 at 1:46 AM
Great idea - do you have a deadline by when one must "e-mail your entry to email@example.com" ?
- April 6, 2009 at 1:47 AM
- Dana said...
Whoot! I'm definitely down. We'll see if I have a good eye though... not sure that my tastes always align with the masses'.
- April 6, 2009 at 1:53 AM
This sounds like fun and I'm interested in submitting. I'm just wondering if it will have a negative impact if I were to send a real query and then to subsequently send a revised version to your real slush pile based on responses.
My query is pretty distinctive, but I've no idea if that's in a good way or a bad way! :-)
- April 6, 2009 at 1:56 AM
- Horserider said...
Sounds like fun! I think I'll play, even though I'll be gone for some of the day Monday.
- April 6, 2009 at 2:13 AM
- Marilyn Peake said...
Are we allowed to submit more than one query?
- April 6, 2009 at 2:13 AM
- Bane of Anubis said...
PS - more Kudos to nathan, too - pulling double duty... Have fun in Tulsa.
- April 6, 2009 at 2:19 AM
- Melissa said...
Woohoo! I'm in! Thanks, Nathan!
Though when I tried to do a home version of your first paragraph contest, I ended up curled up in a fetal position under my desk, so I know this will be tough.
- April 6, 2009 at 2:22 AM
- Jen C said...
Gosh, I love games and such. This is pretty much one of the best ideas ever. I am so all over it like the proverbial fat kid on cupcake.
- April 6, 2009 at 2:25 AM
- Solvang Sherrie said...
What a fun idea! Although I don't think I could read 50 queries in a day!
- April 6, 2009 at 2:53 AM
- Sarah said...
Hi Nathan,
Sounds like a great idea - unsure if I'll be able to participate as work is cracking down on blogs.
However, something seems slightly confusing (or it could just be I'm getting through my first cup of coffee) -- you will be posting 50 queries a day for seven days, if I have understood correctly, of which the participants can only request five per day, for a sum total of 30 queries per participant maximum?
Oh yes, and um... what if, hypothetically, someone is just about to start thinking about writing a query letter and would love to receive all those emails, see how they fare, but won't be able to take part? Could she still subscribe? *cough*
Thanks in advance, and sorry for any presumption.
- April 6, 2009 at 3:49 AM
When my divorce gets finalised my husband will cite this 'game' as the final straw - writing being the other one!
I don't think I'm going to be able to resist the lure of it though.
Now I get it!
- April 6, 2009 at 4:02 AM
- knight_tour said...
Nathan, you mentioned genres of interest. I noticed that my genre - fantasy - is not listed for you. Does that mean it is a waste of time querying you for a fantasy novel? I have had this question in my mind for awhile, since I am finishing up a fantasy novel, but I haven't gotten around to asking it.
- April 6, 2009 at 4:33 AM
- Soratian said...
Coming out of the woodwork to say, wow, this sounds like fun! I'll do my best to take part (if work allows, that is)! Are we allowed to fall behind and try to catch up?
- April 6, 2009 at 4:50 AM
Our 24 hour periods don't mesh well either
Set a start time so I'll be sure to work US (San Francisco-style) time
- April 6, 2009 at 5:02 AM
- Joy said...
Coming to Tulsa? Yay! Just found the info. I'll be there ready to be inspired :)
- April 6, 2009 at 5:28 AM
- Tracey S. Rosenberg said...
Nathan - do you have anyone to simulate a really annoying querier who repeatedly resubmits? :)
Anyway, this is fab. I suspect you'll get far more than 50 queries, given this blog's popularity, but I'll go ahead and throw one in the pot.
- April 6, 2009 at 5:37 AM
- John said...
Should we include the first five pages of the work, the way you request for real queries, or should we stick to just the query, or is it up to us? Thanks.
- April 6, 2009 at 5:52 AM
- Justus M. Bowman said...
Interesting, but I'm going to pass on the opportunity. Ha ha. I know it wouldn't be fun to reject queries all day.
- April 6, 2009 at 5:58 AM
- Luisa Perkins said...
Cool idea!
- April 6, 2009 at 7:01 AM
- Cory said...
This seems like such a great way to get feedback on queries. I'd love to send in my query, but I have a few questions:
Are these queries basically pitches, or do we need to go all the way and add in a bio section, publications, personalise it to you, etc.? Does the genre need to be something you rep, or can it be anything?
- April 6, 2009 at 7:56 AM
- Sophie Beal said...
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- April 6, 2009 at 8:03 AM
- Sophie Beal said...
I don't have anything against agents (haven't queried for anything yet), but...
How about getting some agents to write queries for books that are about to be published?
As with most others writing on this blog over your night time difference is going to be a problem, but I'd love to take part.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:12 AM
- David Eric Tomlinson said...
Nathan, I think you should just give up on the idea of being an agent and go into social media marketing. It's obviously your true calling ... there's no way your agenting skills could compare.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:13 AM
- Sophie Beal said...
Sorry, a comma between night and time in my first post would have been helpful.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:14 AM
- bookshop said...
I love this idea, I can't wait to feedback the list of queries! :D
- April 6, 2009 at 8:14 AM
- Julia Weston said...
I love this. Good thinking Jim. I'm bummed I don't have time to participate (small children, hour-long commute to day-job, etc.) but I'm going to love watching from the sidelines.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:16 AM
- k-macfarlane said...
I think the contest is a great idea. I'm looking forward to using it as a learning experience, though as you said, I'm sure the queries will be much better than the ones you receive daily in your inbox.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:33 AM
- Rick Daley said...
Great idea!
Thanks for sponsoring it. Is it a query only, or are sample pages allowed as well? I would encourage sample pages, because most writers prefer to submit 5 pages to show their true voice. It will give the virtual agent an example of the extra work / reading time, and hopefully the tough decision to narrow the 50 down to 5.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM
- Rick Daley said...
Hi Sophie,
"How about getting some agents to write queries for books that are about to be published?"
I think this would violate confidentiality agreements between the authors, agents, and publishers.
Even if the agents were to write queries for books that have been published, I'm not sure how fruitful of an exercise it would be. I think that would be like asking a bunch of food critics to swap places with a chef.
It's easier for the chef to take place of a food critic, because chefs eat, too.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM
- Eva Ulian said...
I have yet no idea how I will manage it but I am determined to be an Agent for a day. May I also make a suggestion that the "agent" for the day should reject his/her own query if it comes up- that's only fair.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:55 AM
- Robert A Meacham said...
I would like to be agent for a day. Count me in.
You got mail!
- April 6, 2009 at 9:09 AM
Have fun at TU - my alma mater for law school. I live about 3 hours north of there now in the great (dagnabbit) state of Kansas. Please tell us about the jaunt, we okies would love to know!
- April 6, 2009 at 9:10 AM
- Robert Treskillard said...
This is really creative. Wish I had time to participate!
How you do much more than this every day is beyond me.
- April 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM
- Samantha Tonge said...
Not sure i'll have time - but i suppose in a way, that's the point - to show how much agents have to wade through every day, on top of their other work.
Hats off to ya...
- April 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM
- BookEnds, LLC said...
ohmygod Nathan! You and Jim Duncan are absolutely brilliant! I LOVE this.
- April 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM
- Mira said...
How fun! What a great idea, Jim. And how cool that you're doing it Nathan.
So, I have two questions. The first is how will you count people's five choices? Should people number them?
The second question is: what do you mean you're going out of town and the site will be dark? How will I avoid my life this week?
Did you not consider me at all when you made decisions about your life? Well, please try to be more considerate in the future, Mr. I have important trips to take.
- April 6, 2009 at 9:27 AM
- Mira said...
Oh. Since we're talking about queries, I did a terrible job with plugging Rick Daley's blog on Sat.
I didn't post a link. Of course I know how to post a link. I just don't know how to make it all fancy, like Mariyln does.
Here's the link:
This is a place where you can get peer feedback on your queries. Good practice prior to the contest!
It's very helpful.
- April 6, 2009 at 9:31 AM
- sex scenes at starbucks said...
Absolutely brilliant.
- April 6, 2009 at 9:34 AM
- Nathan Bransford said...
You can submit queries for the contest until Sunday.
You're allowed to submit more than one query, but I'm going to be picking and choosing and can't guarantee that one or more will be chosen.
Keep in mind that you'll have a week to respond to the queries. You don't have to do it in one day (although you can try).
- April 6, 2009 at 10:01 AM
- Nathan Bransford said...
I'm posting 50 queries total. Everyone has a week to respond. I know it's called "Be an Agent for a Day..." it's just one day's worth of queries. You don't have to do it in a single day.
- April 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM
- Nathan Bransford said...
Re: 5 pages. I've intentionally been vague about what queries I want to see and whether I'm requesting 5 sample pages as well because I'm hoping to post a range of approaches.
- April 6, 2009 at 10:04 AM
- Lady Glamis said...
Sounds like a great contest! I probably won't participate, but it sure will be fun to watch!
- April 6, 2009 at 10:04 AM
- Sarah said...
Thanks Nathan, now that is quite possibly doable!
I thought I was seeing things when thought it was 350 queries.
Thank you so much!
- April 6, 2009 at 10:07 AM
- Chris Eldin said...
Oh, this sounds like a LOT of fun!!
Thanks for sponsoring this event!!
- April 6, 2009 at 10:23 AM
- bukarella said...
I'm game! How fun!
(Who needs to work anyway, eh?)
- April 6, 2009 at 10:23 AM
- Anna said...
enjoy your travels! looking forward to next week's entries...
- April 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM
- jnantz said...
I'm in. Query is on the way and I will be trying to respond to all 50 if I can.
- April 6, 2009 at 10:40 AM
- ElanaJ said...
What a fantabulous idea! I'm in!
- April 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM
- Dara said...
This sounds fun and stressful :P I'd like to play! Looking forward to next Monday!
- April 6, 2009 at 10:55 AM
- PurpleClover said...
Well I guess I should feel obligated to play since I was one of the *gulp* complainers.
But lord knows I'm already feeling inept.
I will get my form rejection typed up right away! lol.
- April 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM
- PurpleClover said...
Do we have set time frames we need to have the comments posted? Because I'm going to be in school two of the days with no access to blogger so I could get to them in the evening? Is that acceptable or does it have to be done 8-5?
- April 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM
- Maya said...
I'm excited to participate! I just discovered this blog and LOVE it... I submitted my query already and discovered that writing a query when I HAVEN'T finished a novel is a great exercise. (Haha... not that I tell you I haven't finished in my fake query letter... and not that I would ever ACTUALLY query without finishing and revising the novel, so please don't blacklist me, Nathan. :)
- April 6, 2009 at 11:27 AM
- abc said...
I am very sorry that you have to go to Oklahoma. Singing the songs from the musical might cheer you up, though.
- April 6, 2009 at 11:37 AM
- Renee Collins said...
Ha! I love that idea! Can't wait to give it a try. :)
- April 6, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Nathan -
Quick question. I'm considering submitting to this but my manuscript is not yet completed.
What's your thought here? Could it do more harm than good or could the potential feedback/exposure help?
- April 6, 2009 at 11:43 AM
I don't usually comment here, as I am a lurker/learner, but this is such a great idea, I had to speak up and say so. I might have to try it, assuming I can find the time. May even submit a query of my own. At the very least, it will be a blast to watch!
- April 6, 2009 at 12:00 PM
- Litgirl01 said...
Clever! ;-)
- April 6, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Nathan, a question:
Can we use our blog personas as our names in our queries if they're fake?
I want to do that but I'm not sure whether that will be a source of criticism or not.
- April 6, 2009 at 12:09 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
I'm redacting all names. And besides, if you used your blog persona people would be able to easily tell if it's published or not.
- April 6, 2009 at 12:12 PM
- Endless Secrets said...
Hello Nathan,
So I was wondering if I should submit my real query into the mix, because I was planning on submitting it to your actual slush pile. So would it be unwise to toss it in?
- April 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
I think it would probably be most useful for people who either are submitting the query for a work in progress or who haven't yet begun the query process. You'll get some instant feedback on your query and see if it generates any "requests".
- April 6, 2009 at 12:23 PM
- DeadlyAccurate said...
Are you only posting one day's worth of queries, or will you be posting 50 a day for a week? Because if it's the latter, I'm going to work on my "closed to submissions" form letter. :-)
I want to play, and I might even work on a pitch paragraph for the book I'm getting ready to hand off to my agent.
- April 6, 2009 at 12:23 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
50 total, you'll have a week to respond. I added a sentence to the main post which hopefully clarifies this.
- April 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Er, for the published or soon to be published books, pasting pages might be tricky. It will give away the published ones and I'm not sure about the rights situation of pages being posted on the blog.
Any suggestions?
- April 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
People don't have to send pages.
- April 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM
- Jaime Theler said...
What a *fabulous* idea!
- April 6, 2009 at 12:29 PM
- Heidi C. Vlach said...
Wow, this is a great idea. I'll dig around and see if I have a saved copy of my first query letter somewhere!
- April 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM
- Juliana Stone said...
Sounds delicious Nathan!
- April 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM
- Sally Apokedak said...
sounds like fun!
two things:
1) To be a superstar agent you have to request the five pubbed, or soon to be pubbed, books. That suggests that what is being published is better than what is being rejected. Not always the case. Some great stuff is rejected.
2) since the quality of queries for this contest are going to be far better than what you get, the reading and sifting of them is going to be far harder than what it would be for a normal agent day. you can reject maybe 90% right off the top.
So I'm game, and I'll try to pick the pubbed books, but I think you should throw a lot of dogs into the mix, too, so we can reject them fast.
Sally (whose form rejection finger is itching for a good workout)
- April 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
Being an agent is not about making value judgments. What is selling is what is publishable in today's industry. That's the job of the agent, and that's what people are looking for in the contest.
Also, there will be less than five published queries in there, so you won't have to go 100% to be a superstar agent.
And yes, there will be some dogs.
- April 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM
- Madison said...
I would LOVE to do this! I've always wanted to be a literary agent because it's a very hard and rewarding job, so yeah, I think I'll join in on this. :D
- April 6, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Hi Nathan,
Are you interested in queries for books that got a reputable agent but which haven't yet sold?
- April 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM
- Sally Apokedak said...
Thanks for the response.
I know successful agents have to pick what sells. I just really want to pick what I like best. Unfortunately I'm a dinosaur, and I usually don't like what the rest of the world likes.
- April 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM
- Rachel said...
What a wonderful idea, Jim! Nathan, from reading the post and comments, I couldn't quite tell...is there a deadline on submitting a query? My apologies if I missed that info. Thanks.
- April 6, 2009 at 1:29 PM
- Casey McGill said...
This sounds like an interesting contest! Best of luck to everyone out there with the huevos to pursue this endeavor. I go to the University of Tulsa (home of the Hurricanes...because we have those at landlocked states...) and can't wait 'til Tuesday/Wednesday! Hope you have fun on our campus (and with our parking). See you uh...here?
- April 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM
- Laura said...
This is awesome. Can't wait!
- April 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM
- Furious D said...
Cool contest idea, and very educational for writers.
And enjoy Tulsa. I read somewhere that it has a lot of interesting Art-Deco architecture.
- April 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM
- Marilyn Peake said...
Here's how you make a link active...(Hope I can post this; sometimes all the instructions become an active link, just from typing in the commands):
First you write:
< a href=
...BUT DON'T LEAVE A SPACE BETWEEN < AND a.
Then you attach the actual link to that, leaving no space after the =.
Then, with no space after the link, you put in whatever name you want to appear, e.g. Come in Character Blog.
Then, with no space after the name, you add: < /a> ... BUT WITH NO SPACE AFTER < .
And that's it!
- April 6, 2009 at 2:48 PM
For 'about to be published authors' (contracted but not yet published), can we ssubmit our query but without wanting to read the queries? Sorry, but I just don't have time to read the slush, but I wouldn't mind submitting my query under fake name/title if you would like.
Author guy
- April 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM
- Hilabeans said...
Excellent contest!
Thanks for reading our posts and creating fun interaction opportunities. Also, thank you for providing a great example of how to build our platforms.
Have a safe trip to OK,
PS- Can the special prize be an internship and/or having you critique our completed mss?
- April 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Now showing on MediaBistro : GalleyCat - Agent for a week contest there goes any hope of you having a quiet week Nathan, good luck, safe travels.
- April 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM
- MzMannerz said...
LOL - sounds like a fun contest. I'm not doing it, though. :P I already have a job and am trying to write to boot, so I will trust that there are enough agents who know what they are doing (including you) that I don't need to prove I could do it better. I am the reigning princess of enough territories. :D
But it sounds fun and I can't wait to see how everyone else does!
- April 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM
- Rick Chesler said...
Publishing industry article on CNN:
- April 6, 2009 at 4:03 PM
- Marilyn Peake said...
Darn! I left out one of the computer commands in my previous post about how to make links active. Here goes, second try:
First you write:
< a href=
...BUT DON'T LEAVE A SPACE BETWEEN < AND a.
Then you attach the actual link to that, leaving no space after the =.
Then, with no space after the link, you type: >
Then, with no space after that, you put in whatever name you want to appear, e.g. Come in Character Blog ... Spaces between words in your title are O.K.
Then, with no space after the name, you add: < /a> ... BUT WITH NO SPACE AFTER < .
And that's it ... I think. :)
- April 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM
- Kristi said...
What a cool idea...I would love feedback on my query so this will motivate me to finish it. Enjoy your time away this week.
Oh, thanks Nathan for sharing how to hyperlink a few weeks ago...I am so technologically impaired and was actually able to do it in my blog. I felt really smart for about 3 minutes! :)
- April 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Here's the above link enabled:
CNN Publishing Industry Article
- April 6, 2009 at 4:50 PM
- Mira said...
Marilyn -
Wow, thanks. I appreciate it - I'll copy and paste is so I can use it.
Always wanted to know how to do that. :-)
- April 6, 2009 at 5:02 PM
- wickerman said...
Sounds good.
Can;t wait to participate. However, if i do well, Nathan has to write a publishable book by Christmas to get the inverse experience :)
- April 6, 2009 at 5:12 PM
- PurpleClover said...
So Nathan - If it's a success are you going to use this as a gateway tool for all your queries?? You know cut down on your inbox and let your readers make the decisions? haha.
- April 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM
- Shannon Gugarty said...
Very very interesting idea. Will get me some experience with writing my query (FORGIVE ME FOR MY SUCKY ONE NATHAN), but I can't really do this. I... kind of have school and crap. Good luck to those actually playing, though! You will need it.
I'm guessing from your wishes on your query, I should include the first five pages. Sweet.
- April 6, 2009 at 5:36 PM
- T. Anne said...
Rick Chesler, enjoyed the article thanx!
- April 6, 2009 at 5:50 PM
- Tumblemoose said...
yet one more reason why you're the rockinest...
- April 6, 2009 at 6:14 PM
- Lea Schizas - Author/Editor said...
I'd love to play, Nathan, but I already get tons of queries each day as submissions editor.
- April 6, 2009 at 6:23 PM
The wave of the future: crowdsourcing your workload so you can hit the beach!
- April 6, 2009 at 6:27 PM
- D. Michael Olive said...
Sounds very cool. Should be a great learning experience.
- April 6, 2009 at 6:37 PM
- Emina said...
Nathan -
Are you taking the first 50 submitted, or are you picking and choosing out of all the ones submitted? If you're choosing, then is it random? How will you choose 50?
- April 6, 2009 at 7:05 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
I'm choosing somewhat randomly, but not totally randomly. My methods are secret, however.
- April 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM
- Emina said...
Okay. In that case, I wish you luck in going through every query and choosing 50. I have a feeling you'll need a coffee. :)
Oh - and will you notify the people whose query you chose? Or will you let them wait in suspense until Monday to find out?
- April 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
No, I won't be able to notify anyone.
- April 6, 2009 at 7:11 PM
If I were an agent, I'd seriously question an author's commitment to writing if they spent their writing hours, which for most of us are very few, playing agent for a week.
Thanks, but no thanks on this contest. I'd rather use my precious "free" time writing.
- April 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
au contraire, anon. I would encourage everyone who aspires to be an author to spend some time managing slush. It's an invaluable experience.
There's a lot more to writing than just writing.
- April 6, 2009 at 7:31 PM
- T. Anne said...
Nathan your right. There is a lot more to writing than just writing, how I wish it wasn't so.
- April 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM
- Emina said...
Peer reviews are precious and definitely worth it.
- April 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM
- bukarella said...
What an interesting take on writing! I am a writer committed to writing. I am also a teacher committed to teaching and a partner committed to my beloved.
It does not mean that all day long I have to write. Nor does it mean that from dusk to dawn I have to teach, and it does not mean that all day long I have to spend with one person (If you only knew the number of projects I have going on on a daily basis! *giggle*).
For what it's worth, I find it to be a fun exercise directly related to my interest in writing. Since when does learning (work, life, you name it) has to be monotonous? Do we waste our time by reading as well? ;)
On a personal note, I am in a complete awe at the length an agent can go to connect with his potential clients. This is not a taken for granted!
Much thanks to you, Nathan, and the brilliant person that came up with the idea.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM
As a person new to the industry, I read the Agentfail complaints with interest. It seemed that most of the writers weren't complaining about agents who failed to respond to queries. They were complaining about agents who REQUESTED full manuscripts and didn't respond. Or who took on the manuscript and then never did anything with it.
It sounded to me like a lot of agents have eyes bigger than their stomaches. Probably due to a lack of experience, a little fear, and maybe even a little greed.
I had an experience similar to the ones I read about. I got another agent. This one rocks. End of story.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:31 PM
- Adam Heine said...
Anon 4:28 wrote: "If I were an agent, I'd seriously question an author's commitment to writing if they spent their writing hours... playing agent for a week.
I know for me, critiquing the queries of others like this has helped me immensely not only in writing my own query (which is a necessary part of becoming an author) but also in improving my novel writing.
Don't knock it 'till you've tried it.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:33 PM
- Bane of Anubis said...
To expand on Bryan's sports' analogy from the other day, imagine it like a b-ball tryout. Yeah, sure, maybe it seems more important to be scrimmaging, but when you're running drills, you can assess how you stack up to others in specific areas... yeah, you kick ass in the layup line, but you shoot free throws like Chris Dudley (i.e., worse than Shaq)... that being said, if you're a hands down, knock dead query writer, then perhaps there are other skills to work on (3-point shooting, currently for myself) or you could join the fray and provide magnanimous coaching.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:43 PM
- PurpleClover said...
yikes. i just sent my query earlier today and now re-reading it I'm thinking I should have sat on it for a while. I'm not happy with it but I rushed thinking I needed it to be done today. now i realize we had until Sunday??
oh well. i guess i'll get my form reject ready...lol.
- April 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM
- jnantz said...
bukarella -
As a fellow teacher I must ask, hasn't anyone told you we're not allowed to leave the school, let alone have any sort of personal life? We're TEACHERS, for God's sake. It's not as though we're PEOPLE or anything, right?
- April 6, 2009 at 8:49 PM
- Cass said...
What a great opportunity to either get feedback on your own query letter, or give input to others.
I love this writerly community I have found here.
Big thanks to Jim for the idea, and Nathan for putting it in motion.
Off to polish my query letter and read up on rejection or partial request letters...
- April 6, 2009 at 8:49 PM
- Marilyn Peake said...
bukarella/Lyudmyla said:
On a personal note, I am in a complete awe at the length an agent can go to connect with his potential clients. This is not a taken for granted!
Much thanks to you, Nathan, and the brilliant person that came up with the idea.
I agree 100%. Thank you to Jim Duncan for coming up with the idea, and thank you so much to Nathan for devoting the time and energy to this completely awesome contest!
- April 6, 2009 at 8:58 PM
- M. Dunham said...
What a wonderful idea. I wish I could play, but not with this week's work schedule. I'm going to enjoy watching.
If this works well, would you consider doing it again sometime in, say, July? You know you want to!
- April 6, 2009 at 9:03 PM
- A Paperback Writer said...
Let's see: 50 one-page papers where all I'd have to do is say ok or no? In a week? I wouldn't have to fix every spelling and grammar error? Wouldn't have to explain what went wrong in every paragraph? Wouldn't have to put a grade on it and then read it again when it came back re-done? And only 50 of them? Not 150 every week?
Now, maybe the rest of being an agent is beyond me, but, heck, I'm an English teacher. Dealing with queries sounds pretty easy to me.
- April 6, 2009 at 9:15 PM
- bukarella said...
Don't give me grief, I have report cards due to go out this Friday. My day is amazingly planned out to include America's Next Top Model, 1,000 words a day towards the novel, and correcting fourth grade science tests right after I update my blog, just before I reply to comments made on my Facebook profile. I give a new meaning to multitasking (or attention deficit disorder, not sure which one fits better in my case).
If I intend to make it to school tomorrow, I better drag myself to sleep this very moment.
- April 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM
- TecZ aka Dalton C Teczon - Writer said...
Wow, this sounds like a wonderful challenge! Thank you for the opportunity Nathan. I'm ready to get a taste... Good luck to all my fellow writers!
- April 6, 2009 at 9:59 PM
- AstonWest said...
Lots of people think we should respond to every single person who queries us.
When a person has no way to verify whether a query was received or not, other than something coming from the agent saying so, then you can imagine that people might get upset when they're told "we won't respond unless we're interested." No response could mean either in that case.
It doesn't take that much to set up an auto-response...really.
- April 6, 2009 at 10:43 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
Auto-responders are an option, but people are a little sanguine about how easy they are to implement without our actual clients and day to day operations being affected. As Ginger Clark said in an interview, we don't want our clients to get our auto-replies when they send a subject line that says "quick query for you."
- April 6, 2009 at 10:46 PM
- Bane of Anubis said...
Nathan, though I'm not too big into auto-responses (and hate read receipts), isn't it possible to implement filters that distinguish emailers (e.g., no query type auto-response receipts to clients)?
- April 6, 2009 at 11:11 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
You'd have to add a whooole lot of people to a list in order to avoid snaring clients and editors. I e-mail a lot of people in a day. And it's always changing.
I think it's do-able, but I don't think people should underestimate what a pain it would be to manage.
It should be up to the agent. And let's be honest, the number of e-mails that don't reach an agent due to technical snafus is positively miniscule.
- April 6, 2009 at 11:22 PM
- Jen C said...
People really seem to love autoresponders at the moment!
They're definitely not as cut and dry as people seem to think. Having to set up rules and functions and keep these updated would be quite tricky. The best way to have them work seamlessly would be to have a separate email address, and a blanket auto-response for it.
However, more than one email address becomes cumbersome and confusing. Take it from someone who has 5! I think agents should just do what works for them.
- April 6, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Dynamite idea!
- April 6, 2009 at 11:27 PM
What an idea!
As someone who has a waist-high stack of rejected job applications in her office, I think I've got an idea of what it would take for an agent to respond to every query. I have no problem whatsoever with agents only responding to queries that generate interest.
- April 6, 2009 at 11:41 PM
- Julie said...
Neat idea. I cross posted to my blog. I don't have time, or a deskjob or I'd participate. I'm also not bashing agents either ^^ we all have hard jobs and no one can know what another's job is like until they give it a try themselves.
- April 6, 2009 at 11:43 PM
- Melissa said...
This is a great start, but I think there's more we can do to make the Agent for a Day contest more realistic.
1. I'll volunteer to stop by unannounced at a few lucky participants' homes, clutching a 500 page single-spaced manuscript in 8 pt. font that I'll insist is the next Harry Potter. When participants' slam the door in my face, I'll sneak around to their window and bounce up and down to get their attention.
2. While participants are out eating lunch with their families, I will spring out from behind a potted plant and ask them if they'd like to represent my 500 page masterpiece (the next Harry Potter!).
3. Each participant should be given a cardboard box of ramen and several cans of tuna fish to get a feel for what it's like to be a new agent working on commission. Points will be awarded for creative use of the cardboard box as either shelter or as a source of nourishment.
- April 6, 2009 at 11:57 PM
- Jessica said...
Can we redact names from our letter, or should we just send as is and trust that you'll redact what should be? I know you said you'd redact our names, but I'm also wondering about things like the names of schools we teach at, the names of magazines or newspapers we work for, etc. Situations where one's employer may not want to pop up on a Google alert.
Perhaps I'm just being paranoid, but this is why I've never submitted a query for a public appearance.
That, and the query I'm thinking of sending is an old one, so I'm actually not working anymore at the places I say I am. I wouldn't want my previous employer to see it and think I was misrepresenting myself.
- April 7, 2009 at 3:53 AM
- Becca the Promo Mami said...
What a great idea! I'm in!
- April 7, 2009 at 4:43 AM
- MJRose said...
Totally brilliant!
- April 7, 2009 at 8:28 AM
- Janny said...
I am in! Not sure if I'll actually submit a query, but I am SO all over that slush pile. After years of people telling me I "ought to be an agent," I'll finally get to prove them wrong. :-)
What fun this will be...tuna fish, ramen, cardboard boxes and all.
- April 7, 2009 at 8:45 AM
- Ego said...
Fabulous idea - I can't wait! Good job there is a limit to MS requests, because going by my reaction to QueryShark etc I'd end up requesting about 40 otherwise.
Bet I'll pick all the 'dogs'.
- April 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM
- Ego said...
Do you think that latecoming participants will be influenced by existing comments on queries? For example, if ten people have already commented on a query and six of them requested partials, I might be influenced by them?
I don't know if there is a solution to this but it could be an interesting phenomenon.
Looking forward to the competition!
- April 7, 2009 at 11:01 AM
- Nathan Bransford said...
That's an interesting question, and I think it will actually make it realistic. We face bandwagon pressure too, whether that's a trend or existing offers of representation and we have to make our own decisions without being led astray.
- April 7, 2009 at 11:13 AM
- Nathan Bransford said...
That's an interesting question, and I think it will actually make it realistic. We face bandwagon pressure too, whether that's a trend or existing offers of representation and we have to make our own decisions without being led astray.
- April 7, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Awesome idea for a contest! I'll be slogging through the slush with the rest of you.
I thought about sending a query, but since it's been on Evil Editor's site and it's rather distinctive, anyone who reads both sites would recognize it.
You have the funnest site, Nathan!
- April 7, 2009 at 1:07 PM
- That writer chic... said...
They don't make enough aspirin in all the world to handle that task. ;)
- April 7, 2009 at 3:30 PM
- Bill said...
I submitted my query and I'm expecting Nathan is going to get inundated with queries. I don't know how he's going to choose just 50 of them.
I decided not to include the first pages of the book, because I though each post would just get way too long if everyone did that. I can't imagine 50 posts, each of them having part of the first chapter. Not every agent requests that as part of the query, so I left mine off.
Something did occur to me, though. If my query becomes one of the fifty, I should't participate in responding to queries. You think I'm nuts and am not going to recommend a partial for my own submission? If I'm going to play agent with my own submission, I'm going to request a full manuscript, already have an editor and publisher in mind, and have decided I'm not settling for anything other than a huge advance. :)
- April 7, 2009 at 5:10 PM
- Cheryl Barker said...
Hope you enjoy your visit to the University of Tulsa, Nathan. Both my daughter and son-in-law graduated from there -- it's a great university. Enjoy!
- April 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM
- allison said...
50 queries all week? That is light . . . you should post 50 queries a day for five days . . . more in tune to what you probably receive, right? :)
- April 7, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Let me get this straight: I pretend to do your job and the trick is to pick the queries that were from published works? The problem is that assumes that the works in question should have been published over the ones that weren't. Sorry, rigged game.
- April 7, 2009 at 9:28 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
Your comment cracked me up.
Just in case it wasn't clear: this IS a game. So yes, it is rigged (by me). If you want to experience the iron clad reality of being an agent you'll have to become one.
- April 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
(which you're welcome to do, by the way.)
- April 7, 2009 at 11:54 PM
- Jen C said...
Ego said...
Do you think that latecoming participants will be influenced by existing comments on queries? For example, if ten people have already commented on a query and six of them requested partials, I might be influenced by them?
I don't know if there is a solution to this but it could be an interesting phenomenon.
I had this thought too. I don't know about everyone else, but I resolved not to read anyone else's comments before I have made my decision and posted my request/rejection.
- April 8, 2009 at 4:41 AM
- Nixy Valentine said...
You said we should come up with a form rejection letter, but I'm wondering if a response that said something like this would work as well:
This would get a form rejection because 1, 2, 3...
I would request to see more because A, B, C...
I ask because I think I'd feel a bit of a jackass doing the actual roleplaying. Or is that the point? We're getting judged on WHAT we pick and not on HOW we word our replies. Or is being diplomatic and/or responsive part of the game?
I'm not certain if I'm going to play or not. Although it sounds educational, on the other hand I'm really burned out on the whole #fail experience.
- April 8, 2009 at 7:41 AM
- Joy said...
Nathan, do we pretend like we're addressing the queries to you? I'm wondering because if we're adding a personal touch or connection, should we make it specific to you or just make something up?
- April 8, 2009 at 10:58 AM
- Kenny Celican said...
I'm playing, and I'll also be re-sending you my query; maybe I'll get some good feedback from it!
- April 8, 2009 at 1:06 PM
- Marilyn Peake said...
Hi, Nathan,
Are you going to allow Anonymous comments? I suddenly realized that, if Anonymous comments are allowed, the same person could leave multiple comments about one query, and that might be confusing to the people who submitted queries in hope of analyzing responses from a variety of readers.
- April 8, 2009 at 3:11 PM
- Jenn said...
Ooh, Marilyn brings up a good point. I think posting anonymously should be removed for those that want to participate. I think that way it keeps it more professional (for those few that like to abuse it).
Besides how can you win the game if you don't say who you are?
- April 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Well, I shall simply claim that whichever "Anonymous" wins is me! Clever, no?
My best,
Oh, I mean, um, Anonymous. That's me. Anonymous. (Future winner!)
- April 8, 2009 at 4:19 PM
- Abigail Rieley said...
What a great idea! Over the years I've sent out a great many queries but it would be fun to try out the other side. I currently have a full manuscript with an agent so this'll take my mind of waiting for her response for a week!
- April 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM
- Bukash said...
I'm curious how many queries you have received for this game so far?
*munching on popcorn*
- April 8, 2009 at 4:35 PM
- PurpleClover said...
Shove over Bukash, you're hoggin' all the popcorn.
*waits impatiently*
- April 8, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Before I go any further with my query, Nathan, can you say what genres or categories (fiction or nonfiction) will NOT be considered?
- April 8, 2009 at 9:40 PM
- Christine H said...
I'll send mine. It will be one of the dogs. But that's okay.
I think.
- April 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM
- Elaine 'still writing' Smith said...
Submission sent for the game that isn't a game.
I am feeling more nervous now than I have felt at any point in the writing experience.
Ain't life grand!
- April 8, 2009 at 10:29 PM
You rock Nathan. I don't know if I'm going to submit or play, but I'll be watching either way! :)
- April 9, 2009 at 1:06 AM
I would like to join the bandwagon and offer you all the chance to play lawyer-for-a-day. Anyone who wants can have one of my plea dockets for a day and do plea bargains with the prosecutor!
Can't wait to play. I'm thinking of a query for my latest idea. If it gets picked, the feedback would be invaluable.
verify word: uncesto (just too many possibilities to comtemplate)
- April 9, 2009 at 10:17 AM
- Christine H said...
Do you think that latecoming participants will be influenced by existing comments on queries? For example, if ten people have already commented on a query and six of them requested partials, I might be influenced by them?
I'm not planning to participate, but I would think that regardless of what anyone else said, you should be able to form your own opinion. You have to know your own mind to be either an author or an agent.
I might even be tempted to buck the trend, just because maybe the pack is heading the wrong way.
And perhaps there will be some unusual ones there that actually are published that you wouldn't expect. The old "red herring" trick.
Just a thought.
- April 9, 2009 at 11:34 AM
- Sun Up said...
Awesome, I'm in.
- April 9, 2009 at 12:49 PM
I don't get it--if you submit a Q, are you saying that you want to read slush?
what if you want to submit Q but not read slush?
What if you want to read sluch but not submit?
Confused in LitLand
- April 9, 2009 at 3:56 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
Hi everyone, sorry it took me a while to respond to some of these questions. Things have been crazy.
Either way. Some are addressed to me, some generally.
Marilyn and others-
People will need to either choose a screenname or otherwise leave their name. Monday morning I'm going to post a list of suggestions, and that will be one of them.
I've received hundreds and hundreds of query volunteers.
Just stick around, all will be clear.
- April 9, 2009 at 3:59 PM
By Muckraker:
This should be an interesting exercise. It would also be interesting to see how many agents and editors could successfully pick out great books from previous years. One writer for instance, conducted the following experiment with Jerzy Kosinski's National Book Award winning novel "Steps:"
(excerpted from Wikipedia)
"Steps (1968), a novel comprising scores of loosely connected vignettes, won the National Book Award in 1969.[11]
In 1975, Chuck Ross, a Los Angeles freelance writer, conducted an experiment with Steps by sending 21 pages of the book to four publishers under the pseudonym Erik Demos. The book was turned down by all of them, including Random House (which originally published Steps) and Houghton Mifflin (which published three of Kosinski's other novels). Ross revealed his findings in New West magazine four years later. His article includes Kosinski's advice that next time he should offer the entire text. Ross repeated his experiment by submitting the entire text of Steps to literary agents in 1981, with equally dismal results.[12] American novelist David Foster Wallace described Steps as a "collection of unbelievably creepy little allegorical tableaux done in a terse elegant voice that's like nothing else anywhere ever". Foster Wallace continued in praise: "Only Kafka's fragments get anywhere close to where Kosinski goes in this book, which is better than everything else he ever did combined." [13] Samuel Coale, in a 1974 discussion of Kosinski's fiction, wrote that "the narrator of Steps for instance, seems to be nothing more than a disembodied voice howling in some surrealistic wilderness."[14]
A screenwriter conducted a similar experiment with movie studios and Hollywood agents with a retitled script of Casablanca. It was rejected by everyone, and only one reader said it was "too close to Casablanca."
- April 9, 2009 at 4:09 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
I'm going to blog about that in the future, because it's something we discussed on the panel in Tulsa. Sometimes a moment in time passes. If MOBY DICK were submitted to me, I'd say it was horribly dated and needs a lot of trimming in order to satisfy today's marketplace, and I'd be right.
It doesn't mean it's not deservedly a classic or a great work, but cultural moments pass increasingly quickly. Something can feel behind the times and thus unfit for first publication in a matter of a couple of years.
- April 9, 2009 at 4:15 PM
"A screenwriter conducted a similar experiment with movie studios and Hollywood agents with a retitled script of Casablanca. It was rejected by everyone, and only one reader said it was "too close to Casablanca.""
Some of the rejections in these kinds of experiments, however, can perhaps be attributed to editors who know what it is, but just don't comment. "Oh they're trying to play a trick on me--reject, no time to write a note."
- April 9, 2009 at 5:08 PM
From Muckraker:
Nathan, very good and understandable point. And certainly right in the case of Moby Dick. In this particular instance, however, pub date was 1969 and the experiment in 1974 -- so just about 5 years later. Figure the shelf life of a National Book Award winner has to be at least a few years, so it couldn't have been that out of style by 1974!
- April 9, 2009 at 9:23 PM
- ai-hua said...
I'm not submitting my query (my novel is incomplete), but I just wanted to ask a question about becoming an agent--how does one become an agent when one's all the way in another country and doesn't speak the local language? I'm guessing lots of e-mailing back and forth...
- April 11, 2009 at 10:50 AM
- Saundra Mitchell said...
Do requests for partials count toward our five? Or are we allowed to request five fulls and any number of samples?
- April 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
Partials and fulls count the same. You get five requests.
- April 13, 2009 at 3:37 PM
- M. K. Clarke said...
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- April 13, 2009 at 4:57 PM
- M.K. Clarke said...
I'm a pre-published writer, but I'll play! This experience will REALLY give me something to prime my YA and other novels for prior to submitting. Thank you for the venue and the contest (you've also given me a blog update post idea, too. *smiles). Wicked idea, Jim!
- April 13, 2009 at 5:01 PM
I would request partials from:
#17 because of the writer's style;
#18 because the book sounds quirky;
#21 because the writer has great credentials;
#31 because I found the clipped style of the query letter engaging, and
#35 because of the great title.
- April 14, 2009 at 12:25 AM
- The Things We Carried said...
I am simply here to learn!
- April 14, 2009 at 2:01 AM
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- April 14, 2009 at 10:18 AM
- Liz said...
Well, I messed up. I haven't kept track of how many full's I've requested. Aaargh. But I'm enjoying this anyway. Thanks for doing it. Sorry my usually rule-obsessed self dropped the ball. Hopefully you'll do this again next year, and then I'll get it right.
- April 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM
- robmerrera said...
This is a fantastic idea!
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Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by Sam I Am, Apr 2, 2012.
Are you a Texas Rangers fan? If so, have you not been paying attention?
I don't think Washington is a great tactician, but for the most part the players seem to like playing for him.
It's easy to blame Hamilton, but even though he didn't approach the "gargantuan" numbers several folks here thought he would get based on his start to the season, the guy put together a very solid campaign. His deteriment is that he's a "hacker". When things are going well he's taking his cuts and making solid contact. His cold spells are a lot of swinging and missing and not contributing much to the offense.
But this is a lineup that led the AL in runs scored to simply dump on Hamilton as being the big reason the team didn't advance is goofy. Other than a couple of guys, the starting pitching was shaky or injured for a good part of the season.
The team still has a lot of talent but it's going to need some retooling. I don't think the Rangers will re-up Hamilton and if they do, they'll probably cut back somewhere else.
On top of that while they'll be getting the rebuilding Astros in the division next year, the other three teams are going to offer some solid competition.
Would it have been better if he had said he didn't see all of this coming on behalf of the Rangers?
No, your an example of what's wrong with sports. He picks teams to root for and you don't like it so you talk smack about it.
I've been a fan of the Lakers for well over 30 years. I've been a fan of the Yankees for over 25. I've been a fan of the Cowboys for well over 40 years.
I suppose next year I too will be changing teams and picking somebody else right?
Your story, you tell it.
I don't want Hamilton's attitude to continue on this team. The players like him, but he definitely has a "this team owes me" attitude and I really hate that he only puts forth effort when he feels like it. I don't want any of that rubbing off on our other players. Especially the younger ones.
He's an O's fan.
Well, then Go Yankees! :laugh2:
There's probably some of that.
But I think Hamilton has some other (personal) issues that he continually has to deal with.
To just bash Hamilton would indicate a lack of attention to the Rangers.
Who follows the Rangers as well.
can someone explain why the wildcard (Baltimore) got to open the series with two games at home? Shouldn't Ny have had the first two in their house? Don't care who wins, I just thought this was strange much like the way the wild card St Louis Cardinals got freaking home field advantage in the world series because the NL won the dang allstar game. I believe that cost the Rangers the title last year.
For some reason they're doing it this way just this year then it will be 3-2 again next year instead of 2-3. I want to say it has something to do with logistics but not 100% on that.
Just bash Hamilton? I don't just *follow* the Rangers and I don't just *bash* Ranger players. I give most players the benefit of the doubt. If I have something negative to say about a specific player, then that specific player has repeatedly done something to deserve what I said.
I'm a huge Texas Rangers fan and have been since way back in the early 80s. (I remember Buddy Bell playing 3rd base in old Arlington Stadium) I am not like some fans. I don't just immediately bash and call for the heads of players because of a single mistake or bad game.
I'm not calling for the Rangers to not try and resign him, but I don't want them to go for more than 3-5 years max length on his contract and not much more than $100M. I would give him more money per year on a 3 year contract than I would on a 5 year. I definitely don't want the Rangers to sign him for more than 5 years and would prefer a 3 year contract.
New hitting coach? Was that really a problem?
There was an offensive drop off across the board vs 2011. That said, it should be some what understandable since the Rangers were #1 offensively for the last two years. They only dropped to #2 this last season, but what stood out is the extreme drop off at the end of the season, but not only that. Players like Hamilton spent what four months and never recovered.
I don't think Coobaugh was fired for the final numbers, but more for the fact that he couldn't reignite the offense when it faltered basically for four straight months. (that is even beyond Hamilton's failure)
It will be interesting to see what the Rangers do.
They "only" have $86 mil committed to payroll for 2013.
But they only have 11 guys signed. The rest are free agents or arbitration eligible.
Last season their payroll was $120 mil.
Another Bat to replace Hamilton another high end pitcher
Thank you Michael Young for everything you've brought to the Texas Rangers organization.
Sounds like Greinke is going to the Dodgers. Fail.


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Lassen Peak Climber's Log
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|Dennis Poulin
|Standard Trail
Date Climbed: Aug 7, 1999
|I've climbed this a couple of times. Great views if the summit is clear.
|Posted Sep 22, 2006 9:34 pm
|Long Drive
Date Climbed: Sep 14, 2006
|Woke up at 3am and left for Lassen at about 4:15am. Arrived at trailhead at around 9am, slowed by road construction. Up and down in about 3 hours. Very pleasant climb with some pretty nice views. Unfortunately it was a little hazy from some fires in the distance so I couldn't see Shasta.
|Posted Sep 15, 2006 5:27 am
Date Climbed: Jun 22, 1996
|Quick hike up the trail after a thunderstorm
|Posted Sep 11, 2006 5:32 am
|Lassen Peak Trail
Date Climbed: Sep 2, 2006
|After aborting our plans to visit a few p2ks in the N coast ranges due to wildfires, we headed over to Lassen and took the trail up for some nice sunset views.
|Posted Sep 7, 2006 8:21 pm
Date Climbed: Sep 4, 2006
|Posted Sep 6, 2006 5:48 pm
|Peak Trail
Date Climbed: Aug 15, 2006
|2 hours roundtrip from the parking lot. Kind of crowded.
|Posted Aug 24, 2006 4:15 am
|Lassen Peak Trail
Date Climbed: Jul 22, 2006
|Other then the snowfield at the bottom there was only one small patch of snow on the way up.
|Posted Jul 24, 2006 10:20 pm
|Route Climbed: Lassen Peak Trail
Date Climbed: Jul 23, 2006
|Great day for a climb. My 4th time up but the 1st in about 12 years. Still had some snow on parts of the trail. But not enough to worry about. Great views of the park. Shasta was kinda hazy but the central valley looked like a smog bowl. While Lassen is not the the biggest peak in the Cascades, I had forgotten just how big this mountain is.
|Posted Jul 24, 2006 4:23 am
|Thomas Gurviez
|by Lassen peak trail
Date Climbed: Jul 16, 2006
|Very easy and short hike, but still very snowy for July and with beautiful landscapes
|Posted Jul 23, 2006 2:04 pm
|Route Climbed: Lassen Peak Trail
Date Climbed: Aug 21, 2005
|Got to come back to ski here some day.
|Posted Jul 20, 2006 9:48 am
|Skiing in July
Date Climbed: Jul 16, 2006
|Wow. Skied some very impressive sun cups and runnels from the top to the bottom. South East face snow was hammered but one can't complain when skiing in July. Beats walking.
|Posted Jul 19, 2006 3:19 am
|Southest Route
Date Climbed: Jul 2, 2006
|Wanted to hit the top of this one after I saw it from Shasta a few years back. Very easy hike and enough snow for a little glissade action.
|Posted Jul 7, 2006 6:10 pm
|Board in July
Date Climbed: Jul 2, 2006
|Climbed and boarded the southeast face. Snow was decent for July, lots of people!
|Posted Jul 3, 2006 6:22 am
|Hiked the main trail
Date Climbed: Jul 25, 1986
|Hiked it also in 2001. It was crowded in 2001, but that's to be expected. I loved the wildflowers in the area.
|Posted Jun 28, 2006 2:15 am
|NE Face
Date Climbed: Jul 9, 2004
|July 2004: Northeast Face.
July 2000: Lassen Peak Trail
|Posted May 14, 2006 10:19 pm
|Matt Worster
|Nice to be out in March
Date Climbed: Mar 12, 2005
|Super-fun snowshoe from the chalet
|Posted Mar 29, 2006 3:39 pm
Date Climbed: Aug 27, 2005
|Went up for the sunset. Very nice.
|Posted Mar 14, 2006 8:50 pm
|Snidely Whiplash
|Route Climbed: Peak Trail
Date Climbed: Jul 30, 1975
|What a great peak. I was only 15. Only took about 2 hours to climb.
|Posted Feb 23, 2006 4:19 pm
|Lassen Ski
Date Climbed: May 13, 1998
|Road was plowed to Bumpas parking lot. Two hours hike to summit and skiied back down in 20 minutes. Nice slushy spring snow.
|Posted Feb 20, 2006 4:12 am
|Route Climbed: standard route. Date Climbed: july 8th 2005.
|Mt lassen was the very first snow peak I ever climbed and twenty years later i am back. It was a heavy snow year in northern california. I began my adventure by scrambling along the ridgeline between Mt diller and the eagles nest. I was gazing up at lassen admiring her beauty. The park still caught in a snowy inbrace. As the sun went down I anticipated my hike up the mountain in the morning. I set out at six in the morning with just my walking sticks. I was just treating this like a hike. I found out rather quickly that at this time of the morning lest I forget, the snow is still frozen. I wasn't going to turn around It's just a hike. It was pretty slick going but not that steep. the sun Had melted out large sections of trail about midway up the mountain . Towards the summit area the trail begins a traverse out onto the sloping scree field. It was here that my ice ax would have been handy but nooo this was just a hike. I enjoyed a scramble up a 3rd class variation to the summit. The dacite plug of the summit pinnacle is nice and solid. I found a spot out of the wind and enjoyed the views and some lunch .
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Originally posted by Del_ View PostNo, they do not differ between customers. They are simply licensing a proprietary piece of software based on Qt, a *very* common thing among software vendors. Actually, proprietary offerings built with Qt has been the main money driver for all the open development. One may of course disagree with the business model. I for one tend to agree with you that copyright transfer agreements are bad practice. Nevertheless, I think you are missing the big picture totally here. AFAIK, there is no way all KDE programmers will sign such agreements, I know I won't.
Now back to business; You say you tend to agree about the license(not copyight) transfer. Well here is news for you; KDAB is fucking KDE. By the "great works on framework5" they are transfering former KDE-lib stuff into Qt. And you know what a that means. Going into Qt is saying byebye to copyleft because of the Qt contributor license. So right now everybody in KDE is cheering for frameworks5 which really are just shady skunkworks5 to decopyleftize(nice word, cant be googled) KDE. Digia likes this and KDAB likes this. Yuck!
I backup everything that FunkSTAR says and he is not trolling. Only copyright owner can assign a license and copyright transfer agreement, in any form, allow to control the entire contributed block of code and assign any license.
While this is not problematic for Qt as a library (libraries should ideally dynlink to anything) to be in essence *BSD licensed, it is highly problematic for anything non-library and in fact, results in ability to exploit GPL completely removing it.
The only positive thing, is that Dignia either ensures that the code is LGPLed, or it gets payed for allowing closed source license. Both ways exclude a possibility of zerocost closed down project fork without paying Dignia for that. That is not possible with *BSD license.
That, of course, goes in contrast with original motivation behind GPL - to be able to always prove and improve the source code one is running, no matter what financial model is used to create the code.
So, basically what you want to do, if you support freedom software rather than opencore/shareware, is to publish your contribution under "Latest available GPL license" and never sign any copyright transfer agreements.
Of course he's trolling.
He's using tons of BSD-licensed software on his computer: OpenSSH, X.org, the whole graphics stack, etc., which is even worse for copyleft than Qt's situation, yet he doesn't bla bla bla bla bla about that all the time, 100% of the time.
He's just getting people riled up with outrageous half-truths, a classic troll.
He's just getting people riled up with outrageous half-truths, a classic troll.
NON-TRUTH, HALF-TRUTH or PURE-TRUTH?
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Hey guys, I'm using ettercap and i add the target host to host 1, the router to host 2, start mitm and sniff remote connections and then start sniffing..now I'm not sure if the mitm is working so i try to run plugin chk_poison or something along those lines to see is the arp poisoning is running. when i do that though the program closes and my screen looks like the following:
iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table 'nat': Permission denied ( you must be root)
perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
and yes, i'm running it : sudo ettercap -g
so it's from root, otherwise it doesn't dettect my wlan0 anyways
now I'm new to linux here, but I'm running a brand new version of ubuntu (feisty), so my iptables are the newest i think, is there anything i have to add to the iptables to make them to work?
thanks guys, any help is appreciated
a few days and no reply.
look in the tutorial section, the answer your looking for is there.
Don't help him do anything, since he's a kacker trying to raid his local Starbucks http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=16432
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Newburgh, NY 12550
(fax) 845-569-3450
Arrange to finance your education by first visiting our
financial aid for graduate students page, or by obtaining tuition
reimbursement information from your employer. Payment
policy/information is available from our Office of Finance.
Meet with your program coordinator, who will help you to put
together an academic plan. The contact information for each
graduate program coordinator is as follows:
Graduate Program Coordinator, Business
Moira firstname.lastname@example.com
Graduate Program Coordinator, Teacher Education
Monica email@example.com
Graduate Program Coordinator, Nursing
Christine firstname.lastname@example.com
Registration can be completed in person or through the mail,
email, or fax. In-person registration is held just before the start
of each semester or session.
All registered graduate students are required, by law, to submit
record of immunization to MSMC Health Services. Please visit their
Forms page to download the
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