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Cat5e vs. Fast Cat5e. Plenum vs. non-plenum. shielded vs. un-shielded.
I am thinking I need Shielded Cat5e plenum.
We are re-wiring the entire network. Drop ceilings and one line that goes into the plant and over to the other office complex. Smaller company size.
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Aug 1, 2011 at 9:14 UTC
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Shielded is RARE. CAT5e is a category of UTP (Unshielded Twisted Pair.) So if you go shielded you leave the UTP range and get a new numbering. This can be needed, but it's unusual.
Yes, if you are in the ceiling then you normally need plenum for fire prevention.
Aug 1, 2011 at 9:15 UTC
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Never heard of "Fast CAT5e." That sounds like a marketing term to me. CAT5e should all be the same.
The thing to consider is CAT6. Better propagation than CAT5e but harder to work with and more costly. Better future proofing, though.
Aug 1, 2011 at 9:16 UTC
You will want Cat5e at the very least. If you have machinery that creates magnetic fields (i.e.: generators), then you will also want shielding. I would recommend Cat5e or Cat6. Your longest run cannot be more than 300 feet without a boost from a switch and even with that, your speed on the long runs (over 300 feet) will be drastically reduced.
Aug 1, 2011 at 9:18 UTC
I thin Shielded Cat5e plenum is a good idee... but if you dont have a small bugget i would go for Cat 6A Shielded Plenum. its a bit more expensive .. but otherwise go with Shielded Cat5e plenum:)
Aug 1, 2011 at 9:22 UTC
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Shielded adds a lot of cost. Unless you have real interference issues, I'd skip it. If it is bad enough to need shielded don't rule out fiber.
Aug 1, 2011 at 9:22 UTC
Shielded cabling is only really necessary when there is a ton of outside interference. Things such as a lot of electrial appliances, flourescant lightning, things of that nature. Plenum vs. Non-plenum, plenum is only necessary when you have air returns in your ceiling. Basically what happens, if there is a fire and the building is wired completely with non-plenum wiring, it releases a gas that is lethal to humans. A fire could be on one side of the building, but kill people on the other side due to the toxins in the air. If money isn't an issue, I'd always go with plenum wiring. Also, that "fast cat5e" does sound like a marketing plow to get you to buy into it. Cat5e should do the job, otherwise get cat 6. You will also need a cat6 patch panel if you're going that route, or crimp on RJ-45 mod plugs. Good luck!
Aug 1, 2011 at 9:32 UTC
another good idea for long runs connecting different office groups, is to put in more then 1 cable, Its best to put in at least 2 runs, and then you can either bridge them together on your switches that way if someone pulls out a cable they shouldn't your network doesn't crash.
as for Fiber, its a great thing if you need to avoid interference, and it may cost you less then or the same as the shielded. Its probably at least worth getting a price.
Aug 1, 2011 at 9:59 UTC
Cat5e vs. Fast Cat5e.
Marketing term. There is no such thing as Fast Cat5e.
Plenum vs. non-plenum.
It's actually riser versus plenum. Plenum has to be used in an air flow space. A raised ceiling does not always count as that.
shielded vs. un-shielded.
Just as it sounds. Shielded has a sleeve on it to shield it from RF. Unshielded does not. Unless you are running it next to a high voltage power line, it ain't necessary.
We are re-wiring the entire network. Drop ceilings and one line that goes into the plant and over to the other office complex. Smaller company size.
If it's between buildings, you are better off using fiber. You got a 100m length issue with Cat5 ethernet. It gets there fast. The rest of it, unless you are running through air ducts, riser should be fine.
Aug 1, 2011 at 10:14 UTC
The only thing I could add here is check with your electrical inspector before you pull any wires. Some electrical codes require plenum cable in any air space above the ceiling tile. This adds to the cost of the cable, but cheaper than ripping out the wrong cable and replacing it with plenum grade cable.
Been there, done that...
Aug 1, 2011 at 10:52 UTC
If I was going to rewire everything I would go CAT6, and Cat6 Plenum in the walls and Celling. It would not cost all that much more and a good time to upgrade. From building to building I would use fibre with converters, it is alot more reliable.
Aug 1, 2011 at 11:05 UTC
Oh, one additional vote for fiber between building. You have to be careful of ground loops if your buildings are powered from different line sources. You could have a large ground level differences between the building. The use of fiber will eliminate any ground loop problems.
Aug 1, 2011 at 2:59 UTC
I'm not against DIY cabling but at some point you need to call in a professional. If you are this unsure of what type of cabling you need then I feel the need so at least ask why you wouldn't call in a professional to cable the site for you. I know there are budget reasons and ego reasons (i have heard them all) but something this important shouldn't be done by amateur cablers. Also... from my past experience electricians are NOT low voltage cablers. They could pull the wires but I have seen some horrible terminations.
I would like to +1 George on his comment to check with the electrical inspector before any work begins.
Aug 1, 2011 at 8:46 UTC
When wiring buildings together, consider this:
Multi-Mode fiber between buildings will probably be at or near the cost of installing copper the correct way, it might even be less expensive. Any time you go aerial or burial between buildings you MUST use correct lightning arresting equipment and it MUST be grounded correctly. If you don't your cabling job could get real expensive after the next lightning storm when you are replacing a lot of equipment. Aerial runs should be figure 8 cable or outside plant cable lashed to a guy wire. Burial needs to be in a pipe with enough room to get the old cable out and a new cable in when it needs to be replaced in ten years or expanded when your company grows.
With all that being said, fiber optic transceivers and multi-mode fiber are not all that expensive, have a ton of bandwidth, can carry voice and data and are not susceptible to the same lightning and grounding issues as copper. Run more strands than you need and get a pro to splice the connector on.
And yes, even though it is fiber optic, using light and all, still ground your messenger (guy wire) and still ground your connection boxes. It is just safer that way.
Aug 1, 2011 at 9:49 UTC
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Aug 2, 2011 at 5:18 UTC
I for one found this a really interesting read - learnt quite a bit from all your replies - anywho just though id add that and say cheers!
Aug 2, 2011 at 7:19 UTC
I pulled cable while in college and the way you are talking u might want to pay the extra cash to get a company to come do it. More than likely if a fire inspecter came he would shut down your company till a crew came in and pulled cable the correct way.
-this would save time(trust me the way you are talking 50 pulls might take you a week to do if you dont know any tricks)
-they have the right equipment to hang cable with
Aug 2, 2011 at 7:24 UTC
You should always get a certified installer in to do any cable runs, for one good reason - the cable supplier guarantee only applies if it's installed by an accredited installer.
As for what you need, I'd say Cat 5e is on the way out, for future proofing, cat6 is the way to go.
Be aware you need to upgrade all the wall sockets and patch strips too. (Been somewhere before that had Cat5e throughout with cat3 wall sockets still in place !!!)
Aug 2, 2011 at 7:52 UTC
I'm not against DIY cabling but at some point you need to call in a professional. If you are this unsure of what type of cabling you need then I feel the need so at least ask why you wouldn't call in a professional to cable the site for you. I know there are budget reasons and ego reasons (i have heard them all) but something this important shouldn't be done by amateur cablers. Also... from my past experience electricians are NOT low voltage cablers. They could pull the wires but I have seen some horrible terminations.
I would like to +1 George on his comment to check with the electrical inspector before any work begins.
+1 I just had to redo some cabling an electrician did. Of course it was about 20 feet in the air and the run was over 200 and of course I came up about 3 feet short of a node so I had to put on a inline coupling.
Aug 2, 2011 at 7:53 UTC
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I agree that shielded cable is seldom warranted due to expense.
If you are in a K-12 public school stuation plenum rated is really the best choice, and if you are receiving federal funds may be mandated.
Aug 2, 2011 at 8:07 UTC
Fiber for long runs and then no need for shielding.
Use cat 6 when you can.
Aug 2, 2011 at 8:12 UTC
There is truely no Fast cat5e, you have Cat 5, Cat5e and Cat6, while there may be some Cat7, it is not currrently recognized by TIA/EIA 568 wire standards. You will typically pay about .20-.25 more per foot for Cat 6 vs. Cat5e. If you have the funds, adn want to "future proof" go with 6. Smart money is to do 5e for typical desktop distribution, 6 for power workstations and server connections, swtich connectivty (unless going fiber).
Plenum Vs. Non-plenum, if it's in an void space where air flows as part of the air conditioning/air handling system, you must use plenum, if not non-plenum is fine. Plenum is that space above the ceiling, below the floor, or in an air duct where air is moved into or out of the "living space". Plenum cable gives off little smoke, puts itself out in fire and basically doesn't burn well. Non-Plenum is less expensive because it is not made to as strict a standard. Use Plenum only where you need to.
Shielded cable only where you absolutely need it. Shieled is 3-4x as much and is very stiff and more difficult to work with. Great for when you NEED it, but otherwise is overkill and wasteful.
Final recommendation, hire a qualified electrician to do it. Really, they have all the special tools and extra people to do it. I have done it in the past, because I have been trained on how to do it, but even I now have it contracted out. These guys do it all the time and can get the job done in 1/4 the time or better than you can do it. Not to mention, they get better pricing on the cable. If they ding the wall, it's on them to fix it... if they break the ceiling tiles, get the floor dirty, electicute themselves on the cieling light.... it's not you... yes, i speak from experience on each of these items. x2 on the cieling light.
Aug 2, 2011 at 8:46 UTC
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Based on everyone's replies you should now have a good idea of what the types of Cat wires are. One thing you need to make sure of is your State's/City's UBCs (Unified Building Codes) are. Cities like Chicago and San Francisco require all cables to be in conduit unless they are plenum rated and even then sometimes they will still have to be in a conduit. A quick call to an Electrical Contractor and they could let you know.
Also never run low voltage cabling in parallel with high voltage closer than 2 feet. Because AC current runs at 60 hertz, you can pick up distortion in unshielded UTP cable. If you have no choice but to do so, this is where shielded cable comes to play. you can however run UTP perpendicularly over AC power cables w/o issue.
As stated by others, I also highly suggest running multi-mode fiber to your other buildings and farther locations. Use a professional to do this. Bad cutting and splicing can reduce your connection to nil if not done properly.
Aug 2, 2011 at 8:55 UTC
You only need plenum cable if you have a plenum air space. Basically if your return air goes through the drop ceiling. Some places just go with plenum anyways because if there ever was a fire the smoke that is given off from the burning cable isn't toxic.
To go from non-plenum to plenum cable there is a definitely a big price difference (especially between Cat5e and Cat6). I would get pricing and see if there is a huge difference because I would just recommend going Cat6 if the price isn't that much more.
And DO NOT hire an electrician to do cabling. Hire a company that actually does it for a living. I've been doing structured cabling for 3+ years now (I've cabled buildings for IBM, John Deere, General Mills, etc) and whenever electricians get in there, it is a disaster.
If you have any questions, just shoot me a message.
Aug 2, 2011 at 9:04 UTC
You will only need plenum cable when you want to put them on the ceiling, or to say plenum space.Shield cable are only used when there are very strong interference. Cat5e is the most common cable people are using now.
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Best Of :: People & Places
Smart things about Miami are hard to come by. Sometimes parts of our city blow up in a crappy action movie. Occasionally we get to watch rappers pour champagne on naked ladies here. And it has always been that way: Remember Police Academy 5çNobody has ever wanted to film anything in Miami that's, well, serious ... until now. When Dave Hill, a self-described "fat-ass motherfucker from Cleveland," comes to town, his first order of business is to hire a sexy Venezuelan woman to spray-tan him a parking-cone orange. Next he acquires a burly private security detail. His mission, he announces, is to "take over this town." It's all part of Hill's TV show, The King of Miami, which debuted May 7 on the MOJO Network, available to HDTV subscribers. Though the show's concept is rough, Hill's boundless deadpan energy binds his idiotic misadventures through the town's tourist spots into something as soul-quenching as your mom's meatloaf.
Ever sat in bumper-to-bumper traffic, laying on the horn because the ding-dong in front is not moving, and you're in a hurry because you're late for work, and you still have to drop off the kids and get to the bank to deposit some money so your checks don't bounce, but you're almost out of gas and you're not sure if you're going to make it, but if you stop then you'll be even later, and if you're late again you'll get fired, and then you won't have money for anything, so should you chance it and risk getting stuck and getting fired because you don't show up at all, or stop and risk getting fired because you're lateç Dude, if this even remotely resembles your brain, you seriously need to take a break before it melts. And the best spot for escaping from the daily grind without spending a small fortune (provided you have a rich friend who owns a boat, that is) is right here in our back yard: Elliott Key. Located about nine miles from Homestead in the aquamarine waters of Biscayne National Park, this is the largest of three keys in the park's 172,000 acres, and is only accessible by water. Once harboring a thriving community of pioneers, today this idyllic island offers camping complete with barbecue grills picnicking, swimming, wildlife watching, and a hiking trail, along with showers, toilets, and even fresh drinking water. The coastline is predominantly rocky, but the clear waters make it ideal for snorkeling. And there are some small areas of sand if you feel the urge to bronze. What's more the place is large enough to never get overcrowded, yet small enough to feel like your own private paradise (especially if you head there on a weekday). Best of all, it's free. So grab some grub, anchor offshore (low tide is less than three feet high), and chill. Sleep under the stars and bathe in crystal clear ocean waters ... you deserve it. It sure beats waking up to reality.
Last year's summertime calendar brought us 6/6/6, the apocalyptic number of the beast. Some predicted the Antichrist would appear on that hot as hell June afternoon, but it didn't happen.This summer will bring 7/7/7, which is sacred and mystical, according to various traditions. On that day Miami will host the Sacred Sevens Selebration. (In case you haven't checked, July 7, 9007, will fall on a Saturday; of course, the town will be either underwater or nuked by then.) It's all organized by the people at MysticalFlorida.com, who put on the Tropical Fairy Festival at Coral Castle every October. "This festival will raise positive energies and provide an outlet for people to experiment with their spirituality," says Atina Komar, the festival's organizer, "and honestly, days that don't appear very often give us an excuse to throw a party."The festivities will be held at the Unitarian Universalist Church in South Miami. There will be drum circles, live bands, magicians, spiritual workshops on well-being and self-healing, as well as performances by jugglers, dancers, and singers. There will also be games and a costume contest for children.
Want the moon to yourselfç Haul your bike out to Shark Valley after sunset and have at it. There's nowhere better to check out that massive cheese wheel in the sky than the River of Grass. Cruise around the fifteen-mile paved loop with wind in your hair, bird songs in your ear, and mysterious water splashes every few feet, as the glowing disk makes its way across the evening sky. It's beautiful especially the view from the observation tower halfway into the ride and it's free after 5:15 p.m (the gate closes at 6:00).
You make the 45-minute trek to work every day. And every day at least two jerks cut you off or give you the finger. At work your micromanaging boss breathes down your neck because he's a sadistic maniac. The kids fight, your visiting in-laws are annoying, and you're behind on your bills again. Does the Mobius bandlike cycle of stress ever endç Sure you can plop yourself down on the couch and wish your life was copacetic as Shaq's, but that's a poor excuse for relaxation. What you need is mental and spiritual rejuvenation, both of which can be found at the Wat Buddharangsi, a Thai Buddhist temple in Homestead. Wat's Eastern-influenced architecture is striking; ascending steeples are adorned with red tile and gold decoration. The same color scheme can be found inside, with a large Buddha as an inspiring centerpiece. An aura of serenity permeates the inside of the temple as bright sun rays fill the quiet, open spaces. Patrons are encouraged to forget material possessions and control their lives during the temple's many ceremonies and prayers. Some rules for visitors: dress conservatively, remove shoes upon entering, and avoid making loud noises. The temple is open to the public every day from 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. and hosts special events at least once a month.
It's not that the sand is whiter or the sea greener. Nor do those few feet of ocean boast more waves or fewer pesky sea critters. It's just that Third Street not Second Street, not Fourth Street, but either side of the lifeguard stand on Third is where the cool kids hang. Week in, week out. It's where the hot Brazilians can be spotted in their pseudo-Speedo trunks, flexing taut muscles as they battle through endless games of foot-volleyball. It's where the Latinas and the Euros throw caution to the wind and discard bikini tops without so much as a flinch. Coolers stacked full of beach essentials (i.e. beer), lithe bodies, and paddleball games abound. In all its skin-baring, sweaty glory, Third Street beach epitomizes this city we call home.


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Ice fire - Walkthrough
Ice fire
By: du jie
Welcome to the walkthrough for the iOS game Ice fire, if you are looking for ways to make it to the next level, and to improve gaming experience as a master player, you've come to the right place. Here you will find Ice fire tips, tricks and guides, as well as the opportunity to share your own discoveries to help others move on and beat the game.
If you can't find the answer to your question you are welcome to post it in the comments section below. This way others who know the answer can help you by sharing their own tips and advices.
Ice fire Game Overview
Ice fire is available on iOS. For more details on the app, check out our review.
- Publisher: du jie
- Developer: du jie
- Genre: Puzzle
- Release Date: March 25, 2015
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- Cantabrian Can*ta"bri*an, a. Of or pertaining to Cantabria on the Bay of Biscay in Spain. [1913 Webster]
The Collaborative International Dictionary of English. 2000.
The Collaborative International Dictionary of English. 2000.
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