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Installment Eight: The Pen is Mightier than the Sword--the Contributions of Environmental Writers to the Modern Environmental MovementPosted by Deborah Jackman in Studies in Sustainability on Dec 5, 2013 3:55:00 PM
The Print Shop, oil on canvas by German artist, D. Heim, depicting a duplex printing press, converted from steam to electric power, ca. 1900.
The invention of the printing press is widely recognized as one of the most significant developments in all of human history. With it knowledge and ideas could be widely disseminated, setting the stage for the Enlightenment, and helping to usher in the modern era. Influential authors are responsible, in whole or in part, for initiating major societal movements including the Protestant Reformation (i.e., the Bible printed in the local vernacular), the abolition of slavery in the United States (think about Harriet Beecher Stowe's seminal novel, Uncle Tom's Cabin), women's suffrage in Britain and the U.S., and innumerable others, including the rise of the modern environmental movement.
In this essay, we examine the contributions and impact of several notable American environmental writers spanning the period from the Early Republic through the 20th Century. We will look briefly at the contributions of James Madison, Henry David Thoreau, John Muir, Aldo Leopold, and Rachel Carson in furthering the modern environmental movement. Arguably, not only were these individuals responsible for starting the environmental movement within the U.S. but also globally. Without their contributions, it is likely that the importance of environmental stewardship and sustainability would not be widely recognized or understood. We will also consider what characteristics future works of literature will need in order to support environmental progress globally. Who will the Rachel Carson of the 21st century be, and what form will her work take in our current digital age?
The Modern Environmental Movement and the Authors who Contributed to It:
The noted environmental scholar, Ramachandra Guha [1], describes two phases in the development of the modern environmental movement: the First and Second Waves. The First Wave was characterized by the development of intellectual thought centering on the need for and importance of environmental stewardship and protection. The Second Wave was characterized by the popularization of environmental ideas and philosophies developed during the First Wave and their subsequent broad-based adoption by the general population. The broad-based adoption of the notions of environmentalism by the general population was the catalyst within the United States that led the federal government to adopt laws and regulations to protect the environment through statutory means. From the late 1960s through the mid 1970s, the United States was the first industrialized nation to adopt comprehensive federal laws to protect the environment. Other developed nations, especially those in Western Europe and Japan, soon followed.
The First Wave spans the approximate time period from the start of the Industrial Revolution in the mid 18th century through the decade of the 1960s. During this time, many authors and intellectuals wrote extensively in response to the observed degradation of the natural world as evidenced by rapid deforestation, uncontrolled hunting of such species as the American Bison and Passenger Pigeon, and the extensive burning of coal which generated smog in major cities like London, among other examples. Some of the earliest authors writing in this genre were from Great Britain. For example, the great romantic age British poets William Wordsworth and William Blake wrote eloquently of the rural ideal. However, starting in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, a preponderance of the writings on nature and conservation--which are precursors to environmentalism as we now understand it--were American in origin.
There are a number of noteworthy American authors who in some way contributed to an appreciation of the natural world during this First Wave period. However, this essay will feature several whose works most significantly influenced the nascent environmental movement during the First Wave--namely, James Madison, Henry David Thoreau, John Muir, and Aldo Leopold.
James Madison (the fourth President of the United States) may not be as well known for his environmental sensibilities as he is for his political accomplishments but his contribution to the First Wave is significant nonetheless. Like several other of America's Founding Fathers (e.g., George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams), Madison was a landowner and a farmer. His identity as a farmer predated his involvement in the American Revolution and politics and it profoundly shaped his world view. In fact, Madison, along with the other Founding Fathers, based much of the philosophy of the American system of government on a vision of America's citizenry being a nation of yeoman farmers and landowners. A fascinating book that connects the agricultural roots of America's founders to the system of government they advocated is Andrea Wulf's Founding Gardeners, The Revolutionary Generation, Nature and the Shaping of the American Nation [2]. Madison, more than the other founders, understood the connection between agriculture and ecology. While the likes of Thomas Jefferson wrote extensively about proper farming practices and what crop varieties were preferred, Madison wrote the following in his famous 1818 address to the Agricultural Society of Albemarle [3]:
"The earth contains not less than thirty or forty thousand kinds of plants; not less than six or seven hundred of birds; nor less than three or four hundred of quadrupeds; to say nothing of the thousand species of fishes. Of reptiles and insects, there are more than can be numbered. To all these must be added, the swarms and varieties of animalcules and minute vegetables not visible to the natural eye, but whose existence is probably connected with that of visible animals and plants."
"On comparing this vast profusion and multiplicity of beings with the few grains and grasses, the few herbs and roots, and the few fowls and quadrupeds, which make up the short list adapted to the wants of man, it is difficult to believe that it lies with him so to remodel the work of nature as it would be remodelled, by a destruction not only of individuals, but of entire species; and not only of a few species, but of every species, with the very few exceptions which he might spare for his own accommodation."
In these two paragraphs, Madison sets forth two principles that are foundational to the modern environmental movement: (1) the interconnectedness of all the species in a given ecosystem—both visible and microscopic, and (2) that man has no right to alter or destroy the natural ecosystem just to further his own objectives. This second principle contradicts the earlier Puritan notion of man's right to have dominion over the Earth.
With the passing of the Revolutionary generation, a new generation of American naturalists emerged. This generation is epitomized by Henry David Thoreau, born in 1817 in Concord, Massachusetts. Thoreau belonged to the Transcendentalist movement, along with Ralph Waldo Emerson, Margaret Fuller, and Bronson Alcott (the father of Louisa May Alcott) [4]. Transcendentalists believed that spiritual fulfillment was to be found through immersion in and study of the natural world, not through institutionalized religion. Thoreau's most famous literary work, Walden, recounts the two years he spent living a primitive life in the Massachusetts woods near Walden Pond. Walden, along with several essays he wrote late in life, advocate for Thoreau's views on what is now known as ecology. Thoreau's other most famous literary work--the essay, Civil Disobedience--is also significant to the modern environmental movement. Although Thoreau intended Civil Disobedience to be a critique on overly intrusive government and a treatise for how citizens should protest government actions they view to be unjust, his ideas of non-violent resistance were later used by activists such as Gandhi and Martin Luther King to promote social change. Within today's environmental movement, such organizations as Greenpeace employ Thoreau's principles of non-violent resistance.
The Transcendentalist Movement deeply influenced another major environmental writer and advocate--John Muir. Muir, born in Scotland in 1835, immigrated to the US with his parents as a child and was raised on a farm in Wisconsin. He attended the University of Wisconsin Madison for several years, but never earned a degree because his choices of classes were too broad and eclectic to qualify as a concentrated major. While at Madison, he studied chemistry, botany, geology, and various other subjects, which he later in life said may not have earned him a degree, but which prepared him 'for his future wanderings' [5]. After college, Muir traveled pretty much continuously for the next two decades. Immediately following college he traveled for six years, visiting, in succession: Canada, Florida, Cuba, and New York. It was during this time that he made his famous 1000 mile nature walk from Indiana to Florida. After a brief time in New York, Muir booked passage on a ship to California. He ended up in the Yosemite area of California in 1868, where he lived in a primitive cabin for the next six years, studying Yosemite's geology, wildlife, and botany, and reading and writing extensively. While in Yosemite, he struggled to survive because he was frequently unemployed and had no prospects for a career. During this difficult time, Muir took solace in the writings of Ralph Waldo Emerson, and in doing so adopted many of the philosophical beliefs of Transcendentalism, which were layered upon his existing scientific training and knowledge. In the mid 1870s, Muir traveled to Alaska and was one of the first European Americans to explore Glacier Bay. Several years later, he traveled to Washington state and spent time climbing Mount Rainier and writing Ascent of Mount Rainier. In his mid 40s, Muir married the daughter of a California fruit ranch owner and settled down, managing the ranch, and continuing to write and advocate on behalf of the wilderness, and especially on behalf of the Yosemite area. He was responsible for Yosemite becoming a national park and he was the co-founder of the Sierra Club, an organization that still exists to advocate on behalf of environmental stewardship and responsible use of the Earth's resources [6]. Muir's views on the environment were characterized by a belief in preservation rather than conservation. He believed that wild areas should be left undisturbed, rather than believing that it was proper to merely manage them in a sustainable manner. In this view, he differed from other conservationists of his day, who argued for "responsible" use of natural resources, such as the selective cutting of timber in natural areas and limited hunting of game. Perhaps Muir's biggest legacy within the environmental movement was that he was among the first of America's environmental writers who was also an activist. He not only wrote about nature and about the need for preservation, but lobbied and organized effectively for change. In this way, he was perhaps more like modern environmentalists than any of his contemporaries in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
The last of the First Wave environmental writers we will explore is Aldo Leopold. Leopold, born in Burlington, Iowa, in 1887, was drawn to the outdoors as a child, where he avidly hiked and catalogued species of birds, plants, and animals that he observed in the wild. Upon hearing of a new college program in forestry started at Yale University in 1900, the 13 year old Leopold decided on a career in forestry. He ultimately entered that program at Yale in 1905. Upon graduation from Yale, he worked for the US Forest Service, primarily in Arizona and New Mexico for the next 15 years, where he developed the first comprehensive management plan for the Grand Canyon, and helped to establish a wilderness designation for the Gila Wilderness Area, the first such wilderness area set-aside in the US Forest Service system. The Forest Service transferred him to the Forest Products Laboratory in Madison, Wisconsin, in 1924 to serve there as its associate director. He was subsequently appointed to a professorship in Game Management at the University of Wisconsin Madison in 1933. While living in Madison and teaching there, he bought an eighty acre farm in central Wisconsin where he spent vacations and weekends. It was on this farm that the inspiration for Leopold's seminal environmental work, A Sand County Almanac [7], was born. Leopold worked the land on the farm to help restore its natural ecosystem because the farm had been logged and overgrazed at the time he purchased it. He used his observations of the farm's ecosystem along with his past experiences in forestry as inspiration for the essays in A Sand County Almanac. Through these essays, Leopold reveals an environmental philosophy that includes a "wilderness ethic" similar to Muir's. He believed that wild places should be valued for their own sake and left undisturbed whenever possible rather than "managed." This view put him into opposition with the utilitarian conservationists of the early 20th century such as Gifford Pinchot and Theodore Roosevelt. The utilitarian conservationists advocated that nature be conserved so that it could be enjoyed by man through hunting and other recreational activities. Leopold also advocated for the "land ethic," a concept which encourages the management of wildlife habitats by both public and private landowners. Leopold believed that adequate conservation of ecosystems could not occur just by managing public lands, and that private landowners, educated in the basics of ecology and the scientific principles of land management, needed to embrace these principles if sufficient conservation was to occur. A Sand Country Almanac was almost never published because Leopold finished it only a month before he died. His family was instrumental in its subsequent publication in 1949 [8]. In some sense, Leopold can be viewed as a bridge between the First and Second Wave environmental writers because his writings did engage large numbers of readers who were already outdoor enthusiasts. However, the larger population remained generally unaware of the importance of his works until they were re-popularized after the Second Wave had arrived.
In moving from the First Wave to the Second Wave of environmentalism, we move from a period in which environmental writing and thought were largely the realm of intellectuals and academics to a period when environmentalism was embraced by large cross sections of the American populace. This represents a significant paradigm shift because it was a necessary precursor to the major federal environmental regulations passed in the late 1960s and 1970s, e.g., the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act, the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, Superfund legislation, and the creation of the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Environmental scholar and activist Martin Branagan asserts that without grassroots support fundamental environmental reform is not possible [9]. Thus, without the shift from the First Wave to the Second Wave of the environmental movement, our current level of environmental protections and reforms would not have occurred. The environmental writer who almost single-handedly ushered in the Second Wave was Rachel Carson.
Rachel Carson, born in 1907, held an MS degree in zoology from Johns Hopkins and worked for two decades in relative anonymity as a science editor for the US Fish and Wildlife Service. During this time, she also did freelance journalism for a number of popular publications such as the Atlantic Monthly, primarily on topics related to the oceans and the ecosystems of the sea. She first became nationally known for her best-selling books on the oceans--The Sea Around Us and The Edge of the Sea. The Sea Around Us garnered her the National Book Award for non-fiction in 1952. For some time, she had been reading research studies and reviewing anecdotal accounts of the impact of pesticides on the natural world. She became convinced that synthetic pesticides, especially DDT, were responsible for significant environmental damage, including the decline of a number of bird species. At the encouragement of E.B. White, then the editor of The New Yorker, she embarked on an investigative journalism project to document pesticide impacts. Silent Spring, published in 1962, was the result of her efforts. This book, which contains an allegorical account of an American town without birds and other wildlife, captured the imagination of the American public like no book on the environment up to that point in time. So impactful was Silent Spring that Carson was invited to testify before Congress in 1963 on the dangers of pesticides. DDT was banned shortly thereafter, and the major pieces of environmental legislation of the 1960s and 1970s that continue in effect to the present day, e.g. the Clean Water Act, are directly attributable to popular and political support created by the publication of Silent Spring. It seemed that the only entities not enthralled with Carson's work were a number of the major chemical corporations who produced DDT and other synthetic pesticides. These companies spent large sums of money trying to discredit Carson and to smear her reputation, accusing her of junk science, and warning the American public that without pesticides, America would soon be so overrun by insects that we would be unable to grow enough food to feed our population [10]. Despite these scare tactics, the modern environmental movement in America was born. Silent Spring was translated into a number of languages and also helped to ignite the world-wide environmental movement.
The Future of Environmental Action and How It might be shaped through Literature:
By certain narrow measures, our environment today is in much better condition than in 1962. Through the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act, Superfund legislation, and a host of other regulatory actions, both in the US and abroad, we are now required to clean up many of the damaging by-products we generate in our daily lives before they enter the environment. Municipal and industrial waste water treatment is now the norm in the developed world; Lake Erie, a 'dead' lake in the 1960s, now supports a thriving Walleye population. In the developed world, air emissions of toxic chemicals from power plants and other industrial sources have been significantly reduced. Recognition is beginning to dawn on the governments of China and India that air pollution threatens their peoples and economies, and in the near future air pollution controls like those used in the West will likely become more commonplace. New pesticides and herbicides must undergo testing protocols before being allowed on the market to demonstrate they are safe. There are many other similar examples.
In a broader sense, however, the world faces environmental problems that are global and so fundamental in nature that they must be addressed if Earth, as we know it, is to survive. Greenhouse gas emissions linked to global climate change, potable water shortages worldwide, deforestation, and overfishing of the oceans are just a few of the severe impacts we face as a planet. Unlike the environmental battles in the 1960s and 1970s which were focused on narrow issues and geographically limited in scope, today's environmental problems can only be effectively addressed on a global scale and they will require significant changes in how man interacts with the planet. Wealthy multinational corporations with vested interests in the status quo along with dysfunctional political systems in many nations hamper direct action.
Given the scope of world environmental problems, is it even plausible that environmental writers can be drivers for fundamental reform? The answer to this question is uncertain, but were such writers to emerge, their work would need to possess these characteristics:
- · It would engage readers on both a rational and emotional level, as have all transformative literary works of the past.
- · It would build a persuasive case against the modern materialist mind-set. Humans cannot continue to use earth resources at the rate they are. It is unsustainable to try to support a life-style like that experienced in the U.S. during the 20th century. This does not mean humanity must return to the Dark Ages, but it will require that we refocus our interests in a direction that does not promote rabid consumption. It also means that we will have to make maximum use of energy conservation, renewable energy sources, water conservation and reuse, sustainable wildlife, forestry and farming practices, and materials reuse and recycling on a global scale. The challenge will be for writers to frame this new paradigm in a way so that it is perceived as positive and even enjoyable rather than as sacrificial.
- · It would appeal to a broad spectrum of religions, cultures, and types of government. Not only do we live in a diverse world, but society seems to be becoming increasingly fractious, with the spirit of cooperation and civil discourse increasingly rare. There is pressure to demonize the "other." The mass media, rather than helping to correct this, has been complicit in fostering it through sensational journalism and reporting. The effective writer will have to make the case that there is more that connects us as humans than divides us. He will also have to build the case that it is in the best interests of all to cooperate in addressing global environmental concerns.
- · It would build the economic case. Those who argue against the sorts of paradigm shifts needed to ensure a sustainable future for planet Earth and its inhabitants often use arguments based on economics. They claim such changes are too expensive. They claim such changes will result in the loss of competitive advantage of one nation over another. They claim such changes will result in diminished economic status for all. The economic case must be made persuasively that the ultimate costs of doing nothing will dwarf the costs of any changes we implement now. Such economic arguments are well developed within academia, but they need to be presented in an accessible and engaging way.
- · It would promote grassroots action. Governments and corporations tend to favor the status quo unless constituents and customers argue for change. Even in non-democracies such as China, citizen pressure can foster change.
- · It would be presented using media that effectively engage 21st century minds and which takes full advantage of the digital revolution. Smart phones, Facebook and other social media sites, graphic novels, interactive computer gaming, the Internet, e-Books…. There is a lengthy list of new media and devices through which writers can reach their audiences. The transformative environmental writer of the future will have to engage people using these media.
Ever since Gutenberg, major social changes have been catalyzed through literature. While 21st century environmental challenges are daunting, they, too, can be addressed through building a global consensus. It is fortunate that such a consensus can be promoted through literature:
The instruction we find in books is like fire. We fetch it from our neighbors, kindle it at home, communicate it to others, and it becomes the property of all.
References and Further Reading:
- Guha, Ramachandra, Environmentalism: A Global History, Longman Publishing, 2000. ISBN 0-321-01169-4.
- Wulf, Andrea, Founding Gardeners, the Revolutionary Generation, Nature and the Shaping of the American Nation, Alfred A. Knopf, 2011. ISBN 978-0-307-26990-4.
- Madison, James, "Address to the Agricultural Society of Albemarle, 12 May 1818," The Papers of James Madison, Retirement Series, Volume 1: 4 March 1817-31, January 1820, edited by David B Mattern, J.C.A. Stagg, Mary Parke-Johnson, and Anne Mandeville Colony. Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2009.
- Witherwell, E., and DuBrulle, E., "The Life and Times of Henry David Thoreau", published by the Thoreau Library, for the 150th anniversary celebration of the publication of Walden, 1995. http://thoreau.library.ucsb.edu/thoreau_life.html
- Holmes, S.J., Young John Muir: An Environmental Biography, University of Wisconsin Press, 1999. ISBN 10: 0299161544.
- "John Muir", Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Muir
- Leopold, A., A Sand County Almanac: With Other Essays on Conservation from Round River, republished by Ballantine Books in 1986, ISBN -10: 0345345053.
- Meine, C., Aldo Leopold: His Life and Work, University of Wisconsin Press, Madison, WI, 1988. ISBN 0-299-11490-2.
- Branagan, M., "Environmental Education, Activism, and the Arts," Convergence, Vol. 38, No. 4, 2005, p.33-50.
- Griswold, E., "How 'Silent Spring' Ignited the Environmental Movement", The New York Times Magazine, September 21, 2012.
Coming in early 2014 is Installment Nine of this series: "From Lanterns to LEDs – A Look at the Evolution of Sustainable Lighting," an essay inspired by the painting Glassblowing by Hugo von Bouvard.


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Please join us here if you have lost a parent and need support (3)(1000 Posts)
Well here we are again on a brand new thread,hopefully we can all move on a bit to a more accepting phase in our lives.
Sorry to here about your loss vlad truly. On the loss of My mum 3 years ago now, I feel like my loss does not count. Everything centres on my sisters grief. Since we are two sisters she was crying the most so she was comforted. In my culture the one who cries the most supposedly lobves their parent the most. I often think is this some sort of competition it's so vulgar. I like to visit my mums grave alone and grieve her alone, that's just my character. It doesn't mean I love her any less.
dad is totally lost without my mum. He used to keep active in the house doing chores with her cooking cleaning gardening. Since her death he spends his days lying on the sofa snoozing or watching tv. Hs developed a phobia and refuses to go out or even speak to posty or anyone at the door. He doesn't initiate conversations either its like trying to get blood out of a stone. It's coming from a hobby domineering man I feel like crying whenever I see him. It's like I've lost both parents.
Hi everyone
I am very sorry for your losses. I hope we can help each other by listening to each other.
My mum died in January of this year. I had an ectopic pregnancy a few months ago. My husband and I moved in with my dad since he doesn't keep well and we wanted to be nearer my mum's side of the family....... none of my mum's side of the family speak to me or my dad now (over a ridiculous situation..........sometimes you see people's true colours when someone dies, and it is best to go your separate ways). So my dad has now put his house up for sale for me, my dad and my husband to move away from my mum's side of the family and start over somewhere new...........
I miss my mum so much! However I know she is around me all the time, and I have her strength and love. I now find myself 10 weeks pregnant........I had a miscarriage last year and an ectopic a few months ago, so I am nervous about this pregnancy.
I feel for you all as your life changes so much when someone you love passes away.
justanuther poor you and your poor poor dad. It's all so very sad.
People can't see the silent tears we all have , feel the ache in our hearts and know that we all feel like lost souls.why do they have to see the tears to feel that we are in pain ?
ssd don't think I could do that, but thankyou for thinking like that.but I am lucky that I have always been a good listener. I did consider training to be a counsellor at one time, but discounted it. Not going to do it now. But if I can help someone now and then. That's enough for me.
badvoc it's hard looking after kids when they are poorly isn't it, I am not the most patient of people and I would be full of sympathy for the first couple of days, then as they recovered my patience used to wear very thin !
vlad I think that some people think its only the wife or husband who grieve ! It was a similar thing when my sister died, us siblings were just expected to get on as though nothing had happened.
For everyone on this thread
Hello poppy yes you are correct in saying you see people's true colours when a death occurs.i myself refuse now to speak to my next door neighbour because he didnt even have the decency to acknowledge my mums death despite knowing her for over twenty years and knitting for his dd when his wife went off! I am like an elephant and never forget !
I hope that the plans you have to move away will go some way to easing the problems with difficult family.
Sorry to hear about your miscarriage but happy to see you are now pregnant again
We have on this thread been able to support each other for a long while now, this is the third thread and I do not know what it would of been like to not of had all these lovely people to share things with.
Hello poppy yes you are correct in saying you see people's true colours when a death occurs.i myself refuse now to speak to my next door neighbour because he didnt even have the decency to acknowledge my mums death despite knowing her for over twenty years and knitting for his dd when his wife went off! I am like an elephant and never forget !
I hope that the plans you have to move away will go some way to easing the problems with difficult family.
Sorry to hear about your ectopic but happy to see you are now pregnant again
We have on this thread been able to support each other for a long while now, this is the third thread and I do not know what it would of been like to not of had all these lovely people to share things with.
Oops !
Just...that is so sad about your dad. My mum is totally dependant on me and my sister. It scares me.
Poppy...many congrats on your pg. I had mc too and with ds2 I don't think I really believed all would be well til I held him in my arms!
My brother is showing his true colours. Sometimes he doesn't go to see mum for days. He works shifts and lives closer than me. He had 4 days off last week and never came near... before dad died they were always up at mums. But then again dads hand was always in his wallet so....they perhaps don't think it's worth their whole now
Although to be fair other people have been so kind...sending cards, phoning, popping in to see mum.
Ds2 and I are currently in bed. I am on MN and he is playing minecraft. I am a truly useless mother ATM...all I do is out a DVD on or give them their iPads
I want to go and see mum but ds2 is refusing to get dressed!
We have decided on having a tree with a plaque instead of a bench in dads memory.
I feel so grey, like there is nothing to look forward to. Have finally got round to ordering the food for ds2s birthday tea. Just need some party poppers, balloons and cake now!
I've done it.
I have made an official clinical negligence complaint against the gp surgery that saw dad the night before he died.
At least I feel like I am doing something
I didn't realise that you were unhappy with the docs * badvoc* good for you at doing something about it. At least you will be able to find out what went wrong . Is it your dads family docs you have the problem with ?
He attended at 4.30pm the evening before he died complaining of left sided arm pain of 3'days duration and indigestion. My dad never went to the dr. Ever.
By 3pm next day he was dead from a massive heart attack.
I think it's a clear case of clinical negligence.
Oh dear that's horribleness, I have actually heard of a similar thing happening to someone I knew. He had been to docs in the morning .and diedin the afternoon. Only in his late 30,s . I hope they will do a thou rough investigation for you.
Don't know where that word came from horribleness !
Just told my brother and he stormed out of mums house!
Mum is tortured by what ifs.
And so am I.
Do you know what happened in the case you mentioned Lin? Did the family get answers?
I don't know badvoc. Ii was someone I worked with her partner died and she left work then so I, don't know about that.i also could torture myself with the what ifs, what if there has been a consultant on duty. What if it had been in the week and not the weekend when they are not many staff , what if they had put a stent In for mum instead of saying they would do that on Monday, it's awful thinking like that. I think we all have what ifs. It is something that most if us will never know and it won't actually make things any different now. I'm not sure how I would feel if it was proved that they could of saved my mum . To be honest I think now I would probably feel even worse.
But if you feel you have legitimate grievance then you are doing what is right for you, what did your mum think about doing this ?
Everyone's circumstances are different and you have to investigate if you ae troubled by this.
It's a shame about your brother. But he will have to deal with that himself .
Hello everyone. Thanks for the new thread mummylin
justanuther That's very sad about your dad, it must be very hard to see
Badvoc Well done for putting your complaint in- it sounds to me as though you certainly have grounds to complain. Some classic heart attack signs there, and a man who hardly ever needs to see the Dr- I would have thought the GP would have seen the causes for concern there and investigated properly. Good luck with it.
ssd I agree with you re mummylin
Hello * Poppy* I am sorry to hear of the loss of your mum and of your miscarriage. Congratulations on your pregnancy, must be so worrying for you, but I'm so glad you feel the presence of your mum with you.
It's a tricky one.
It won't bring dad back.
If it means they have a full proceedure review it may save anther family going though this.
And that - for me - would be worth the upset.
You have to do this badvoc if that is what you feel is right. I hope you get the answers you are looking for and it will you help you with what has happened. As you say. Maybe it will stop the same thing happening to others. Good luck with it all, will be interesting to see what they come up with. Don't worry about your brother, he is an adult and can look after himself . Hope you hear soon
waterlego I am not clever enough for that !
Thanks Lin.
My aunt has been told she has "probable lung cancer" and has to go back next week for a biopsy.
What a bloody week
Oh my god, is this bad time ever going to end for your family, poor lady
Apparently not...my dsis had been dx as diabetic today and her BP is dangerously high
I feel totally overwhelmed.
oh badvoc I'm sorry . you are having it so tough. wish I could give you a hug xxx
This is just unbelievable. Surely there can't be anything else round the corner. Does your sis have type 1 or 2 ? I think ( but not sure ) that its type 1 that needs daily insulin. She will have to look after herself, as do you too
Type 2 so she is on tablets. Better than type 1 at least.
You just couldn't make it up, could you?
Sorry to whinge.
It's all I seem to so lately.
Thanks for listening.
It's not surprising badvoc. You have had so much bad news in the last two months. You must be reeling from it all. Do look after yourself or you will end up ill
Hi all
Here a bit late today to say hello as have been back go work today. Got in early and so also home early but just slept as feeling exhausted.
Dc were both occupied sp took the chance for a bit of a heart to heart with dh about what Monday might bring and how we are going to cope if the news isn't good. I think 'just get on with it and remember the good things' probably sums it up! Was good to be able to air my worries though and face up to the worse case. For once I am glad that my mum isn't here so I don't have to give her this worry.
Badvoc so sorry for all your troubles and hope you get some quieter times soon
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>> dana: you know how i watched that movie? the movie freaked me out. i was on an airplane. the person in front of me and to the right were watching it. i'd watch it without the sound. it was disturbing. >> eric: see all of you welcome to "red eye." i'm andy levy or known in certain parts of san francisco, greg gutfeld. now to tom shalou, what is coming up on tonight's show? >> thanks, andy. mitt romney manages to disc both pbs and nickelodeon in the same week. i don't know why he hates children so much. maybe it is because so many will grow up to be women, minorities and poor people, his mortal enemies. and a texas school district is forcing students to wear radio tracking chips and civil libertarians are crying foul. but don't they cry foul when adults are implanted with
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chips too? you can't make them happy. and come on down. the price is right -- "the price is right" names its first ever male spokes model. i don't know where this leads us as a culture, but i'm sure on a slippery slope. andy? >> see you at the half. let's welcome our guests. i am here with remi spencer. and it is gavin mcguiness, writing fore "talking ma g.com" and street carnage.com." and bill schulz who thinks he is on "glee" and it is dennis neil. >> a block, the lede, that's the first story. >> so does he not like our nation's tykes? apparently mitt romney hates children. he promised to kill big bird with his own bear hands, i believe. and obama's campaign hasn't forgotten. >> i am barack obama and i approve this message. >> bernie madof, ken lee, criminals, gluttons of greed and the evil genius who towered over them? one man has the guts to speak
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ties name. >> big bird. >> big bird. >> big bird. >> it is me, big bird. >> big, yellow, a menace to our economy. mitt romney knows it is not wall street you have to worry about. it is "sesame street." >> mitt romney taking on our enemies no matter where they nest. >> big bird's corporate masters, yes, he has them, requested the campaign take down the ad saying in a statement, sesame is a nonprofit organization and we do not endorse candidates or participate in political campaigns. more on romney's disgraceful war on children, they declined to participate in the kids pick the president special that includes president obama apparently because he couldn't fit it into his schedule. this decision disces children, but this week he straight up mooned them. as this photo shows here. not really. it is just a weird photo. let's talk about the big bird
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ad which even liberals at this poit are mocking. you own a commercial agency. does this spot work at all? >> i don't know. i can't get into the liberal brain. i guess that's who they are going for. i think the problem with this commercial and the reason sesame street is scared of it is they don't want people to know they are doing really well for money. you are basically threatening one of their main supply lines. they get $45 million -- they gross that in 2010 for licensing. that doesn't include sesame place and all of this other stuff they get money from. the teachers it is really stupid to let people know how rich you are. then other people want your money. >> that's a good point. is it embarrassing that sesame street has asked the campaign to pull the ad? or is it embarrassing? >> i think the ad is what is embarrassing. not that sesame is asking them to take it down. they are nonpartisan, a
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nonpolitical organization. their request makes sense. i think what is offensive is the political ad. if the issue is 3w* ceasing public funding for the networks or the show, then have an intelligent debate about the issue. this ad is like a movie trailer. it is a dramatic voice and the stupid cut ins with the -- with big bird. i think it is playing to the lowest of the low in our community. >> dennis, shear my theory -- here is my theory, every day we talk about big bird we are not talking about libya. >> and we are not talking about the horrible economy and small business confidence which has plunged to new lows because people are afraid to invest because of how screwed up policy is. this would be a great ad if it were used as an andy sandburg "saturday night live" short. but for a president, an incumbent president to choose this as an ad is undignified for the office, but imagine if romney placed an ad likening
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obama to convicted felons, imagine what the liberal media would have done to that. the deem the extras run this ad, instantly likening romney who is accused of no crime, who has been accused of nothing more than, you had a 15% tax rate, and it was legal. they are likening him to ken lay from enron? more than that, he is right. i don't want to barrow money from the chinese government so i can fund pbs. i guarantee you if they cutoff funding tomorrow big bird will find plenty of buyers and backers. they don't need that money. that's of the issue that is skirting away with this funny ad. >> no one knew that sesame street license did great. now everyone knows that. you used to think it was totally dependent on the government. >> as the father of four daughters, whaz your name? >> i don't have a take because i don't remember their names.
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david was one, i think, but i am a little high right now. 2 wasn't barak who brought it out in the debate. gentlemen, you are right -- yes, 3% comes from the government. it does not matter. w45 it does to our budget is infan tess mall. every conservative looks at it and says, yes, destroy pbs. mitney -- >> is that a new name? >> yes. >> i wish her name was kit and he was a talking car. i would vote for him. >> he reminds me in warmth of kit. >> bill, i do kind of agree with you bringing up sesame street and big bird in the debate was bad, but it is the obama campaign -- >> why was it stupid? >> how is it going to solve any problems? >> it is analogous of bigger problems. things to get money when you
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don't need them. >> why did he have to throw big bird into the discussion? >> the very fact that it stirred a counter after obama which is why it was a great thing to bring up. our government spends too much on entitlement programs and we had no idea. >> things that matter, that ain't one of them. >> that's not the conversation america is having. we are talking big bird. let's talk about government funding and subsidees. >> that's what the big bird con veer shags is about. >> -- conversation is about. >> he brought it up and it is a small thing, but he didn't make a big deal. it was a throw -- throw away. it is the obama campaign that is their cause celeb. i will go back to something i said earlier. they are so scared of libya right now because that will blowup in the next couple weeks. if they can find anything to talk about that stops people from talking about libya they are happy, even if it is something as stupid as this. >> i agree with you.
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it is an opportunity for the obama administration to deflect on something other than the problems. and it is embarrassing that the way they have chosen to do that. >> in the past couple weeks obama was on the view. he had a big fundraiser in front of his pals. he did the nickelodeon show, and he had a horrible debate performance. does he possibly need to check his priorities? >> he is ay smart, very deluded, very isolated and arrogant individual, and that's not great when you are running for president. smart is just one of about 32 things you need to be good at. >> i think it is time to reassess the whole smart verdict on obama. and it is time to decide that obama is not smart at all. and if he were, why not do the first debate where romney kicked his butt. why is irch -- why is everyone
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saying obama is so smart? it lays out the parts where obama is stupid and all of the things he has chosen to do. obama is told all his loif how smart he is. you are so smart. and then he is pouty and persnikity citing far more facts and figures. >> and i think i said this last week on the show or maybe earlier this week. my memory is gone. he is more comfortable, gavin, going on "the view" or going nickelodeon. today he was on a sports talk radio show. he loves doing stuff like that. i don't think he likes the actual being president of the. >> i don't think he likes politics. they said that recently. in the book "the amateur" his peers said he always wanted to do speeches and standing up there and being the preacher. but he didn't like the getting the hands dirty and getting into the nuance of the
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economy. boring. >> i totally agree. recommend -- remi, can we put up the ap photo? should ap have run this photo? >> that is a stupid photo. i don't see the point of running it except to embarrass and humiliate. i don't see any other purpose, and they should not have run it. >> would they have run this picture if it was of your savior, obama? >> yes because it is hilarious. when you or -- when you are somebody like the ap and you want to sell your photos you will run this so shows like us will put it on. of course you run that picture. >> they came out with a clarification saying the girl was reacting that way for a photo in front of her. it had nothing to do with her whatsoever. from you a fire service you
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shouldn't be posting a photo. >> if you see the full picture, romney is panting the host. i thought that was completely out of line. >> he is a well-known prankster. >> he is doing that in front of the children of america. >> they would not show that foe owe of obama. baby has back of the. >> they wouldn't show that photo of other important individuals in the press for so many reasons. you said it earlier. it is the dignity of the office. mitt romney is running for office. why does anybody feel just because they have the means that they have the right to put something like that. >> they want to make sure romney doesn't have a chance of getting elected. i have been a reporter for imreers, and i have -- for years, and i have never seen them be so bias. >> what about in 2008?
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>> not even close. >> really? >> i don't think it is close. >> i think there was a day in 1975. >> unfortunately i remember that day. >> june 17th. >> you don't remember that day. >> i do remember that day. >> from ignoring kids to keeping tabs on them, will uh tracking chip mean they won't skip? they are testing a new idea to track geographic locations at all times in an effort to reduce truancy. they are slated to reach a hundred schools in the state, but they are getting a trial run first. without the id badges around their neck they can't access the cafeteria and the library and can't buy tickets to extra kir curricular activities. she says she was bared from voting for prom queen and king. what is this world coming to? and if the tracking program works, higher attendance figures could lead to state funding. will students cut class? we asked a typical teen to comment.
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>> remy, given that you claim to be an attorney, i was a little shocked when you said in the green womb, and i want to get this right, quote this hospital go far enough. they should implant the chip under the little brat's skin. >> what? you said what? >> as is typical, i didn't get my words down precisely. >> obviously i didn't say anything of the sort. >> i am pretty sure we have the tape of me quoting you. >> i will believe it when i see it. >> putting aside the serious constitutional implications by this, and all of the other problems with the technology and using high school students as test monkeys for this new technology, doesn't this just shock your conscience that they are going to track
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people? >> wait a minute. can i just point out something? >> i don't think anybody will stop you. >> some 15-year-old has a right to privacy. i say to heck with him. he is a kid, a minor, and i will monitor you. you have no right to privacy when you are my daughter and you are 12 years old. >> there is a microchip on you at all times. >> it is just an id badge. >> but then you take a conservative view and hospital it be up to the parents? this is a government. 24 is a government now tracking. >> i think it goes too far. i think it is silly, but high school kids have a right to privacy. i say screw them. >> they do because our united states supreme court says they do. they have a diminished -- >> in what case? >> they have a do minutish inked right to privacy. >> i can't cite it for you now. >> they have a diminished right to privacy. >> they do have a do minutish inked right, but they don't
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check their constitutional rights at the school door. >> but access is diminished. to the heck with them. would you look at your kids' cell phone text without telling kids? >> this is not parents doing this. this is the school district. >> i do see it, and i am against it. i think the school is wasting time, but kids have no right to privacy. >> we are missing a very big point here. what i don't think you guys understand is the fact that kids may be dumb in school, but they are brilliant. they will take the badge and put it on the dor ky est dork. they can't go to every class and let him do all of the extra curricular activities and it is smoking in the boys room. >> the one reason i may be in favor of this kids will be forced to figure out a way
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around this which will be good training to when the government wants to plant it around us. >> this is the number of the beast. and it is used to identify say tan when he comes up. he will use it to identify crappy parents. >> you go to the parents and go you are a tool, come with me. >> remi, they track the location of the school's id24-7. that's already a problem. if they are not supposed to be in school, why are they still being tracked? >> they don't have the right to do that. >> and my question is who watches the watch men? >> talk about big brother. by allowing this to happen you are allowing them to track your children or their belongings wherever this id is 24-7. there is nothing, nothing constitutional about that. they do not have the right. >> and you know who thinks this is a great idea, pedophiles. if they hack into the system
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they can track where these kids are. >> that's not what pedophiles are going to do. they will hang out at the soda shop. >> there is a serious problem with pedophiles on the internet. we have terrible numbers when it comes to kiddy porn. this will be struck down. it is going to be struck down. it will be modified in someway. >> i think that people who are upset about this are confusing two different things. one is the capability they would have to watch them 24/7. but truly they have no funding, no employees to monitor it. they will never use the data for anything. we were just doing stories on this where they are so upset that oh my gosh they can follow you everywhere, but they are not going to bother. who cares? >> was this kid on adult crime just blocking heads? this goes back to my earlier theory. why mess with texas when they constantly mess with each other? >> gavin, last word to you.
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joy what this sums up too is government incompetence. it is a half million dollar program and 130 grand to monitor. no one is in charge of it. it just shows that this is what they do. they come up with a plan that involves tons of money, and then they are loot first and ask questions later. i got the money. what are you doing? >> i don't know. >> it is a hard line thing -- it is a headline for a hardware investment. >> also, bill, i have two questions, where do you draw the line, and secondly, where do you draw the line? >> oh boy, that's one of the chicken and egg things. first you draw a line, and then you draw a line. >> why are we talking about coke all the time? >> we didn't buy the table for nothing. >> coming up, should excons be encouraged to resume their life of crime? remi spencer, yes so i can make more money. first, should a breast cancer charity accept donations from a porn site, we report and blurt out. we are watching fnc so stick
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they wouldn't take a cut from purveyors of smut. a breast cancer charity rejected donations from a porn site that launched a save the boobs campaign for breast cancer awareness month. they would donate 1 cent for every 30 views in october and it hoped to help the susan g komen for the cure. but the foundation wanted nothing to do with it. they said, quote, we are not a partner and not accepting donations and asked them to stop using our name. the site is now looking for a new charity and says it attracts up to 90 million views a month and could raise a considerable amount of money. for more let's check in with our x rated correspondents, the furry brothers. >> push, push. push, push.
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keep going. >> i'm assuming we will put black bars in. that was horrible. >> remi, what do you make of this? the two arguments here is one is porn exploits women, so a foundation that is looking to help women shouldn't take their money. the other side of it obviously is if they want to help fund breast cancer research you should take it. >> i am on board with the latter. whatever your opinion is about the porn industry, that's fine. but i don't see the harm in allowing this. i know it is important to most of the men in this room. if they wanted to -- i think it is a smart business tactic. it is going to make men feel a little less guilty if they do feel guilty or better if they need it foregoing to porn. they are giving back to society. they are giving money to some treatment. and they tbet to enjoy their porn which we know they are going to do anyway.
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>> let me diffuse you of the notion that men feel guilty gorks so we are clear -- guilty, just so we are clear on that. would it be different if it was a porn site helping prostate cancer and that the charity would just take the money? >> that's a different case. it is apples and oranges, really. breast cancer charities are a myth. no one knows this, but it is already very free market solve vent to do breast cancer research. they don't need the money, but it makes people feel better. but prostate cancer investors don't feel they will get their return back. it needs charity. what i think we have learned here is what everyone doesn't want to know is that breast cancer charities are really just fashion. it is something women do to make themselves feel better about themselves. >> i think my head is going to explode. when she thought that would violate it she didn't go, oh, i can make more money. we can help more people. she is not about that. she is what looks good on me.
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>> the komen foundation bring in $350 million to $400 million every year. so it is easy for them to turn this down. they get money elsewhere. i think it is interesting though that so much more money goes to breast cancer research than prostate cancer research. and i think breasts are far more attractive. >> there are more of them. >> i did go out to dinner with a woman who -- >> congratulations. >> must be nice. >> i asked her what do you think of this? she has a fantastic build and she is a fan of porn. she felt the komen palm are being a little holyer than thou. instead of the komen foundation, heaters should step up. >> i don't think they would take it from hooters. when is breast cancer awareness month going to be aware that putting pink on nfl uniforms is not doing diddly squat. it looks stupid on the film. >> breast cancer research is doing fine. you might as well just raise
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merchandise royalties. that's just royalties on things like the tickle me elmoett set raw. 30 million from consent distribution. one assumes that selling their television rights around the world. a total of 122 million in revenue not including the government grants. 122 million last year. >> and it was the same with the teacher that had the protest in madison. people were going, wait a minute, how do they make? you get two months off? it sends up being $60 an hour? >> to be fair to the teachers, they say they were on strike not because of the money, but they did not like this idea of raiding teachers, merit pay. they were against that. >> n incompetent people don't like spotlights and sesame street was trying to say that subtlely. >> i think remi they are right. they are a nonpartisan organization. this is actually getting to the ad.
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this is the obama ad. you said they are right. they are nonpartisan, and they shouldn't be featured in a political ad. so what if they are nonpartisan. the wind is nonpartisan. and it doesn't stop obama from putting the wind in his ads. >> that's a very valid point, tom. i think what i said is they have held themselves out that way, and they asked them to take down the ad. that's the exent it of it. if they filed a lawsuit they may not have a claim to take it down. they are putting it out there and we are not supporting one candidate over another. >> big wind is not supporting anyone, but people can put them in their ads. romney can put big bird in an ad too. >> as she just said, she is not saying the obama campaign can't do it. she is saying the sesame foundation asked them not to. >> andy you sound like you are
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pretty good at ambudsing. >> i am good at listening to what she said. >> oh that's what you have to do? it is so demanding. actually i have a theory i want to get out right now. i think remi, you said that he was foolish to speak of big bird, that it was a mistake of his. i think he was very crafty. can we get -- frank, do you have the photos? bring up the photo in the press all week. you see this in every major newspaper and on all of the websites. it is romney and big bird. let me tell you my theory. he brought up big bird on purpose. instead of saying pbs. he said i will de fund pbs. if he didn't specify big bird, do you know what the press would have done? they would have put this photo up there. it would have been romney against elmo. he is cuter. he is smaller. it makes romney seem meaner. that was crafty. i think his guys in boston thought that up. >> i will disagree with you.
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i think it was a misstatement. i think if he would take big bird out of the debate he would. >> he plans everything though. he is mitt romney. >> i am surprised you didn't pick burt and ernie because of the questions around their relationship. >> there are no questions around their relationship. they are friends. i am sick of hearing -- oh, you are talking burt and ernie? >> is big bird a tall lesbian? >> big bird does not seem like a five-year-old child. that's the role he plays. >> gavin, i actually just to get controversial here, you described president obama as being among other things, you describe as being isolated. do you want to take back that charged rhetoric? >> somebody told me recently that tom cruise doesn't even know that he is the laughing stock, and he doesn't know that scientology is for nut bars. he is kept in this bubble. he is walking through life going, do do do.
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everything is awesome. i think obama is the same way. when people insult him, it is a total slap in the face. the arizona governor when she wrote the little -- when she wrote the third of a paragraph, he couldn't handle it. he is not used to being criticized. he is doing his speeches and being on the view. >> you want to speak with the racially charged word ice lake? isolation? >> follow me, isolation, small spaces, small apartments, public housing, homeless people. >> oh my god, i didn't realize that. joy oh my god, i -- >> oh my god i am so sorry. >> what is a better word? mocha colored nievatay? >> gavin -- >> and he is always listening. >> you say obama is not used to being criticized, he is being criticized hard. >> well, what we know -- >> why is he being
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criticized? the guy walks on water. >> forget the media. >> i have heard of a media outlet that does criticize obama. the name success scaping me. the name is escaping me. >> he was criticized by the house and by the senate. >> what hement to say was he was over and over -- >> not the most powerful name in news. >> what he meant to say was obama has been heavily criticized for the past four days. >> if he is so thoroughly crit sidessed where is -- criticized where is libya? why does everybody think unemployment is going great? >> not criticized by the press. i agree with that. but he has been criticized. >> he puts up with very little which is why he is so pouty. >> let's look at the next
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story, the tracking of students. remi you gave me a little job and you wanted mooy to check into the rights of students. there is a lot of information on-line. 1969 school district, and they said the students do not shed their constitutional rights at the school house gate, but the schoolhouses don't have gates anymore. it does seem to be a gray area. even the aclu says -- it says on the page, do i have a right to privacy and school? it says yes and no. and then it says, guys, this is school and not prison. >> i think that answer yes and no is right. that's what the supreme court said. you have diminished rights. that went to whether or not school officials could open your lockers with absent probable cause. police can't go into your car unless they have probable cause to believe they committed a crime. because of the children and a number of other reasons, school officials can open a locker, something short of
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thinking you have committed a crime. >> why do all of these research. >> i didn't remember the name of the case. >> dennis, you said this is no big deal. we have these tags at work. do we have a tag on? >> we all have id's. if they know what employee is going through what doorway. if you want to challenge me on national television, you take off your jogging suit first. think about that. >> this is a sweater from a finery taylor. >> i bet it is. from a fine retailer. >> i bet it is. >> we can't even explore the can of worms with huge breasts that gavin opened up. >> why not? >> gavin, i can't -- you know, i wanted to do some checking on this about the funding of breast cancer. you made a huge claim that breast cancer doesn't they'd any funding. i -- doesn't need any funding. we are just going to have to
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leave that one out there. >> if you don't think breast cancer research is doing well, go and look at the size of the house of a chemist who is remotely associated with the field. it is big bucks. >> that's proof of absolutely nothing. >> it is like big bird. it is a little tiny an neck dough tall evidence -- annecdotal. evidence. >> until there is a cure for breast cancer they need the funding. >> you would think maybe they would have said yes, thank you, porn. >> i agree 100%. >> they didn't do that because it is about fashion and about me feeling good about myself and me, me, me. >> what is that word you keep using, aboot? >> it is a northern term meaning revolving around. >> andy, i'm done. back to you. >> thanks, tom. coming up, who is better, the mac daddy or the daddy mac? not a story, just something brett bier tweeted me.
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and first, a male model on "the price is right"? a story on sexy we didn't get to it last night.
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he was declared the winner, and then declared dead. last week a florida man died soon after winning a giant cockroach eating contest. edward arch bald signed up for eating the insects at a reptile store. after putting away dozens of roaches he started vomiting, collapsed and later died. earlier in the night he participated in a super worm eating contest. authorities are trying to determine the cause of death. sounds like a tough call. let's discuss in the -- >> lightning round. >> gavin, at first glance you hear this and you say it is so stupid to eat these giant cockroaches. but then you hear the prize was a giant python. >> duh. and he said himself it wasn't just the python, which was awesome. but it was the glory. and now he is gone.
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the only guy to die of being gross since michael jackson. >> and also under rated as a per former. >> a lawyer for the pet store that held the contest said the participants signed waivers when they entered the contest. will they be okay? >> they will be sued. how good the waivers are will be the question. i'm sure there will be -- i believe there will be a settlement in this case. >> it is a reptile story, how much more do they have? >> they have thousands of dollars in the bank. >> that's why you are required to carry insurance. >> i would like to come up with a couple of one-liners on this. i can't get away from the fact that a few days ago, a 32-year-old man died. sorry to be a buzz kill. but it is not funny stuff. i bet we find out it was some cardial infarction or something unrelated to the cockroaches. if you are a company sponsoring that contest you will be careful enough not to hurt your business by doing things that kill people. it is a tragic story and i am sorry to see it, and i hope we
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have nothing more to do. >> you are just jealous of my zinger. bill, keeping with the tragic tone, as somebody whose diet consists mostly of bugs, are you a little afraid? >> let's low-income at the outline of the show. we started with big bird as a legitimate campaign point. we stick with microchipping kids, and then we bobbed and weaved and it was fund i had -- funded by porn. and now a guy dying from a roach eating contest. we are that future. >> case in point. >> next topic since dennis doesn't want to do this one. after decades of discrimination, "the price is right" has done the right thing and hired a male model. rob wilson was selected by an on-line viewer vote. sadly it only lasts one week.
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after that he will be interning on greg's bus for a week or so. all right, dennis, considering "the price is right's" audience consists of stay-at-home moms. >> why did it take so long to do this? >> why is the shot of the model bare chested and i have never seen van gnaw white bare chested? they got so much publicity ut of this. and you do a nationwide shoich and you will give the guy one woke on the oir? is this all for not and all for nothing? thank you for the pr? >> should it be a permanent job? >> absolutely. somebody in an office high up in the sky who makes these decisions is going to realize it was a mistake to make it just one week. maybe it was a test run. maybe they thought the audience wouldn't like it. i am sitting here and i have never actually watched the show. if he was on it i might tune in. >> is this president obama's fault? well it is an example of president obama being graded
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at his job and encouraging an environment where people are employed. >> look at the numbers here. if you look into the amount of money play girl makes, it is a tsunami of cash. women cannot -- have you ever seen the magazine scrotum weekly? it is flying off the shelves because women cannot get enough of men and men's bodies. the fact we don't have beautiful men on tv is probably communism or something, and obama is opening those doors. >> i am assuming you never watched a show called ncis" with a mr. mark harmon. is he delicious? >> what? what? >> have i never been more outraged in my life as i am right now. bill, take may out of my outrage hole. >> i will take you out of the outrage hole and address this bare chested thon sense. van gnaw white is no sweet chicken. rob is very young.
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as we saw from his nip knack patty whacks he is perk. there is a reason he is bare chested and van gnaw is not. >> you would still hit that. >> i would hit him for how gorgeous he is and i would have to focus on that. >> women are not as horny as men. maybe it is time to stop pretending that. >> i agree with that. that said, i do think housewives or who ever is sitting at home watching price is right do not mind seeing a little eye candy. >> is it true that women are not as horny as men? >> i don't think you can say women are less horn ethan men. i think women are not as interested in seeing visual images of strangers. i don't think that does it for women. you will need to be a little more -- >> i think you just proved gavin's point. it is time for a break. when we come back, wall of
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all right, last topic. a north carolina high school teacher saw a student put something in her coffee and told the cops. the cops determined her coffee was enhanced with a butt
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enhancing drug. the glute boost is a but to bees bees -- buttocks enhancement supplement. should the student face charges ? >> to be dead serious, yes. you can't drug somebody whether for the purpose of making a rnlg laker butt or taking advantage of them. however i did not know the pills existed. i want to know where they are how much i can buy them. >> i wail say something risky here, poisoning your teacher is never acceptable. i said it. >> letters. >> technically this was meant to enhance. >> they say it is a bust enhancing drug. does it make it rounder 1234* does it make it bigger? it could be the student meant it as a compliment because she does not have a big butt. she was saying you can add to your butt. >> i will raise you that
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because maybe it makes the experience better. this could be a philip morris thing. >> i'm not sure what is worse the here reor the joke. >> remi, what should the kids' punishment be? >> he should be charged with a crime. it is some form of probation. >> we are going to charge him with a crime. >> absolutely. >> if i slip something into your drink that wouldn't hurt you, but you wouldn't know about it. it could have a potential adverse affect on your physical well being. that's a crime. >> i never heard of a roof fee being put into a girl's drink. >> you know what, at some point the law is going to catch up with you. at some point the law will catch up with you.
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