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That pesky Fourth Amendment is Such a bother to some in law enforcement. You'd almost think it was written to protect the citizenry from Them.
Thread: LEO Interactions
I tried to search for a thread to put this is in, but man this forum has an awful search feature.
A little back-story first: I was visiting family in Reno/Sparks for Thanksgiving. I went to a bar to watch some Monday night football with my cousin on what happened to be my birthday around that time. I ended up having a great time, having some drinks meeting people bar hopping etc., until the wee hours of the morning. My cousin drank sparingly and drove me around, thankfully. But as we were leaving downtown Reno in his car we were pulled over because the cops didn't like the gusto with which he had stopped at and accelerated away from a stop sign or two. He wasn't ticketed for anything and was completely sober even offering up to blow into the handheld BAC tester and registering a nice round 0.0. Unfortunately he had 2 unpaid speeding tickets that had required his attention months prior that he had neglected to pay. So they arrested him (thankfully there were no new charges and after a night in jail the officers were kind enough to escort him to court to deal with these tickets). After putting him in the back of the squad car they turned their attention to me, the passenger. I told them I sure wasn't driving it anywhere and they were actually being friendly with me joking about my cousins predicament and all. One of them even pulled his car off the street and into a parking lot. Then they asked me for my ID, which is said no thanks to. I ended up giving them my name and pointedly asserted my DOB. I was then groped, "for officer safety". Then they seemed to get more irritated that I would hand over ID and asked for my SSN and I said fat chance on that. They let me call someone I knew to pick me up and I went on my way. But remembering this incident and how I was groped and didn't really know what was required of me in Nevada inspired me to look up the laws I am required to abide by while here. So today I did and wrote up a letter with the pertinent laws that might apply to my situation that I will give to any LEO that attempts to contact me in the future and I wanted to share it with everyone.
This interaction is occurring without my consent. I reserve all rights granted to me by the US Constitution and Nevada state law. I do not and will not communicate verbally with law enforcement as is my right to do so. I do not and will not consent to any searches of my person and/or property, nor do I consent to any physical contact between any law enforcement officer and my person and/or property. I will not choose to waive these rights in the future, regardless of circumstances.
If I am free to go, I will now be departing and going about my lawful pursuits.
If I am being detained, I will respectfully and peaceably abide by what is required of me by law and trust any and all LEOs to do the same. This interaction must be conducted pursuant to NRS 171.123, which is listed in full below.
While not required to do so, out of courtesy for me and in aiding my understanding of the situation and how I should respond going forward, please articulate your reasonable suspicion that I have engaged in, am currently engaging in or am about to engage in a crime, or that I am currently on parole or probation and have somehow violated any condition(s) of a parole or probation requirement imposed upon me by a court of law?
If I was not operating a motor vehicle on a public road and this stop complies with NRS 171.123 then I will now provide you with my full legal name as stipulated in sec. 3. If I am not now providing you with my full legal name then I disagree that your suspicion is warranted. Please inform me when I am free to go, or at what point you are placing me under arrest.
If this is a traffic stop and you have requested it I have already or will now provide you with my current and valid drivers license, vehicle registration and proof of insurance. (Pursuant to NRS 483.350, 482.255 and 487.187; also NRS 883.550 and 484b.100)
Important Nevada Revised Statutes:
NRS 171.123 Temporary detention by peace officer of person suspected of criminal behavior or of violating conditions of parole or probation: Limitations.
1. Any peace officer may detain any person whom the officer encounters under circumstances which reasonably indicate that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime.
2. Any peace officer may detain any person the officer encounters under circumstances which reasonably indicate that the person has violated or is violating the conditions of the person's parole or probation.
3. The officer may detain the person pursuant to this section only to ascertain the person's identity and the suspicious circumstances surrounding the person's presence abroad. Any person so detained shall identify himself or herself, but may not be compelled to answer any other inquiry of any peace officer.
4. A person must not be detained longer than is reasonably necessary to effect the purposes of this section and in no event longer than 60 minutes. The detention must not extend beyond the place or the immediate vicinity of the place where the detention was first effected, unless the person is arrested.
Possibly applicable: NRS 171.1231, 171.1232, 171.14 (Is there PC to arrest? If LEO officer reasonably believes detainee armed with a dangerous weapon AND is a threat to the safety of LEO weapon may be seized during investigation; kept as evidence if arrested)
*I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.
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That pesky Fourth Amendment is Such a bother to some in law enforcement. You'd almost think it was written to protect the citizenry from Them.
They can ask you for information, they can even get forceful, They can lie to you to get you to waive your rights. You have to have a strong mental attitude, which it appears you do. It irritates Officers when they encounter citizens who know their rights, but it's not your problem if they get irritated.
The pat down was likely bordering on a section 1983 violation, but think carefully; Did they ask your permission to pat you down? How they ask questions is carefully scripted and planned. For instance, they could have said something like, "You don't have anything dangerous on you, you wouldn't mind if we just pat you down to check do you?" If you just say no, what part of the question did you answer? No, you don't mind if they pat you down? No, you don't have anything dangerous on you? Your responses must me concise. I recommend the following statement, "I do not consent to any searches or seizure of my person or property, But I will not resist." Now, if they want to use something they "found on you" as evidence, and they had no probable cause or reasonable suspicion, to conduct a Terry search you have ammo that your attorney can fire back at them in court. Right or wrong, it's the general position of many a judge to assume consent unless specifically stated that you did not.
Very nice writeup. I may have to write up a similar note with N.C. regs.
Very well written and thought out, Good references too.
The problem is they will not read it. Too long and too much truth and it doesn't matter to most of them . It is why they are trained in specific forms of questioning like that referenced above.
I give an A for effort.
Let's look at this situation.
Driving along pulled over for tail light out. Officer asks for the usual DL INS REG. Returns to cruiser runs info. Nothing comes back except active DL REG INS and a CCW PERMIT! Now from MY perspective.
The law 202.3667 Requires me to have my permit and another form of ID on me while carrying and produce both when REQUESTED by a peace officer. It's what I refer to as "don't ask don't tell" He doesn't ask and I don't tell. WHY?
I would rather have him at his cruiser with some knowledge of me, NO wants or warrants active DL REG INS, BEFORE stating to him I have a firearm and then from the safety of his cruiser decide how to deal with it.
The other side of it is he's standing 3 feet away from me and by handing out the CCW or just telling him I have a firearm and it's location I've put him in a situation that he knows nothing about me other than I have a firearm.
My feeling is the latter is not the best option for either one of us. Some cops have heard my opinion on this and have listened and thought that it was a valid point. It does coincide with the law no doubt.
Some have complained about the technique and mentioned that it should not be taught to anyone and they should be told to volunteer the information for officer safety. When questioned as to how many of their brothers in blue have been shot or killed by permit holders in the country they have no idea and neither do I. I would bet the number is extremely low maybe .00001%.
Which technique is better for everyone involved? Neither one is wrong.
Your way says I know my rights and will comply will all laws during the contact. I will be curteous but retain my rights.
My way says the same yet provides even more information prior to dealing with an officer safety issue.
Why is there resistance to these methods among law enforcement?
I'm pretty sure the officer did use a line like, "Do you have any weapons on you, do you mind if I check?". If I had had a beer or two less I would have ended up not getting felt up by a dude. I was a bit worried that after losing my transportation the cops might try to arrest me for being drunk in public or something. I'm sure they could have, but I but a judge would be sympathetic if a person is put out in public by the police. Overall though I have been really impressed with the police in Reno and Sparks. I've never been stopped while driving here and when I saw an officer about to give me parking ticket I asked if I could move it and they were great about it and we had a friendly chat.
Just some thoughts...
Since you weren't driving, and they didn't have RAS on you, they had no reason to force you to ID yourself nor to grope you. If you'd been more clear-headed at the time you might have been better able to stand up for your rights.
(Actually, you never have to ID yourself. You can remain silent, & nothing requires you to carry ID. Of course, if they decided to arrest you for something, they would have found the ID you used at the bars.)
Remember phrases like "why am I being detained?" and "of what crime do you suspect me?" and (as someone else said) "I do not consent to any searches or seizures of myself or my property". I wouldn't add the part about not resisting, but that's just me. Make your own choice.
Don't ask am I being detained, ask WHY.
If you have to ask, they're already detaining you, so make them admit it. You will probably catch them off guard & they'll say they're not detaining you, then you say "oh, thank you, I'll be going now."
BTW, what does your post have to do with open carry?
And if you'd break up the wall of text into some paragraphs it'd be easier to read.
I have said this over and over again....
Do you ask the rapist if he is raping you? Duh, no. Why create ambiguity by asking if you are being detained? If you ASK them, you don't get an answer. You effectively detain yourself waiting for an answer you aren't going to get. If you then assert your rights, you're accused of 'not cooperating.' It get ugly.
Ask "Why am I being detained?" It is now up the the Officer to explain why, or explain that you're not being detained. If things get unfriendly, it's his own fault.
You already know you're being detained, or you wouldn't be asking! Detainment is defined by weather or not YOU FEEL AS IF YOU ARE FREE TO GO. The Officer is not the one who defines it, you are. So don't defer what you already have. It's like 'negotiating' gun control. Why compromise what you already have?
No one ever hits them with the "Why?" and it's a shock to them to realize they've already crossed that line and don't have a good excuse for it. Often they quickly pop off with "Oh, I'm not detaining you!" and you can see the expression on their face as they realize you just pulled that off as you walk away.... ;-)
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"The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
"Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams
Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.
Hey thanks for all the tips guys. Admittedly I was not open carrying for this incident, I was out drinking and that just doesn't seem wise. I do frequently open carry, but have never been stopped or anything while doing so. Once a cop eyed my firearm and gave a friendly "Hey nice gun." You're right that a cop probably wouldn't read something this long, I have just been really looking into how others have freely given up their rights and lost their freedom for it. Examples are DUIs when a cops smells beer on your breath, or slurred speech for darn near anything to crackheads on COPS that keep their stash in their mouth. I guess this is sort of a rough draft to help me avoid relinquishing my rights to someone who wants to imprison me.
great thread!!!!
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OC or not at this incident it involves the rights of those who choose OC CC OR NO C.
I agree with asking the WHY? question but if it's not answered it still has an effect on you.
IE YOU Why am I being detained?
COP Who are you? Do you have ID?
COP silence
YOU I'm leaving. you walk away
COP STOP Resisting puts you in custody by force.
On the street they still have the upper hand and you look like the ass that wants to fight the cops. Just be careful. I'm all about rights but the dirty little secret is you will have more rights taken from you for standing up. It will cost you tons of time and effort and money just to clear it up. Being principled is great till you find out later you lost out on other opportunities. I like to look at all sides. That's all nothing more or less.
On Superbowl sunday I was Detained at a DUI checkpoint, I refused to do Field sobriety testing (Clown Test) I would have given them PC to arrest me had I done it.. as I did last time I was sober. This time I did not consent, and 20 mins. later I was free on my way.
Another time I was with Tim from this forum, I had been drinking, he was my ride. We were on the sidewalk when I noticed some young skateboarders beeing "Jammed up" by the cops. I pulled out my cell phone to record, and almost instantly one cop asked "can I help you?" I replied that we were just fine thanks and kept my phone in the air.
Pretty soon a cruiser pulled up behind us all blacked out (no lights) A male and female cop approached (my side) asking "what are you doing tonight?" Time aswered, "We do not want to answer any questions, are we being detained?" The male cop answered back with "no, take your hands out of your pockets" Tim "No" Me "unh uh" ----Silence---- Female cop- "oh I know who you are" There was lots of silence, very awkward for them it appeared. In the end nothing happened, we did not give ground, and it did not end ugly or cost anything. It was how the system is designed.
Nobody says you walk away at that point, unless he says you're not being detained. Asking the question this way means that his silence is no longer a denial of detainment. He no longer has the "I never said you were detained' argument. That's all it's for. It clarifies that a detention is taking place.
As such, no, you are not free to go. You are being detained, you've stated that you know you're being detained, and he's made the situation combative by refusing to tell you why. Don't go anywhere, you're being detained, legally or not. That's the whole point. Now that you have established that you are being detained, why would you walk away?
No one said you should walk away if it goes down that road. Your deliberate misrepresentation is noted and filed.
What was said is that often they react to the statement that you feel you are being detained by telling you that you are not being detained. They just told you that you are free to go! When this happens, yes, walk away. Dur.
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"The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
"Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams
Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.
The OP's declaration is well thought-out. But, its probably a bit too long.
I like the keep-it-simple approach.
Some favor asking if one is being detained. Others favor asking why one is being detained.
Me? I would cover what seems to me the most important point first: establishing that it is not a consensual encounter. Politely, verbally: "Officer, no offense. I know you are probably just doing your job, but I do not consent to this encounter."
Simple. Polite. Direct. And, it immediately removes any doubt about whether I consented to the encounter. It leaves no room for anybody to later raise the question that it was a consensual encounter because I hung around. Nobody has to later figure out whether a reasonable person would have felt free to disregard the officer's inquiries and walk away. All that disappears if I refuse consent to the encounter itself at the very beginning.
If the cop continues the encounter, it is necessarily non-consensual, involuntary, a detention. And, certain legal obligations on his part now come into play. Basically, I just threw the entire onus onto him to have all his legal ducks in a row.
"We conclude that a person has been "seized" within the meaning of the 4th Amendment only if, in view of all of the circumstances surrounding the incident, a reasonable person would have believed that he was not free to leave." US vs Mendenhall. (bold emphasis added by Citizen).
Guess who gets to decide what a "reasonable" person would have believed? The courts.
For general interest, the next few sentences in the opinion are handy to know:
Examples of circumstances that might indicate a seizure, even where the person did not attempt to leave, would be the threatening presence of several officers, the display of a weapon by an officer, some physical touching of the person of the citizen, or the use of language or tone of voice indicating that compliance with the officer's request might be compelled.
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Yup, yup, yup.Originally Posted by gunrunner1911
Tonight police showed up at my door, insisted that I "had" to let them in (no, I don't), said they wanted to "talk" to me, but refused to talk through the door.Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME
Despite my telling them I didn't want to talk, didn't need any help, wanted them off my property, did not consent to any searches or seizures, they broke through the storm door, tackled me, cuffed me, then SIX officers went through the house searching for my gun.
Found one in a locked case, opened it (I didn't see what damage was done), and stole that plus both my holsters.
Then they hauled me off to the county mental bin for an emergency eval! (Even though my doctor had called them back to tell them not to bother me... she'd been worried because I was upset earlier in the day, & she knows I have guns.)
So now I get to find out where they took the property they stole from me & get it back tomorrow, do a FOIA request for all the phone calls, radio traffic, etc., and figure out w/ a lawyer what the next step is.
Check, check, & check.Originally Posted by Citizen
"The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
"Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams
Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.
Our ancesters, veterens, and people of the service gave and are giving their time and sacrifice to preserve and defend our rights . it''s up to us the people to show appreciation by not sacrificing but investing time to exercise and preserve those rights.......the bushwacker...
I have also seen where just an arrest report is enough to kill your shot at a job.
Have you ever been arrested? Is on a lot of job apps. Of course you get to explain but given the circumstances where theres another 50 apps behind yours with no arrest HMMM? If you don't list it then theres the whole issue if it's found you can bet they will not hire you or even fire you over it.
The system is twisted. I have applied for a few Gov. jobs and part of that is a credit check Imagine that you need a job to pay your bills, you have been struggling with unemployment and what kills your opportunity to get back on track and pay those bills your credit check. SICK ZEN RIDDLE?
I myself have advocated to companies to run credit dhecks for security reasons.
Get arrested while employed and miss work your gone. Maybe it's worngful termination maybe it's not in this economy do you want to find out? I'm simply stating what may/can happen to a person.
I'm not saying that standing up for your rights is a bad idea or shouldn't be done. There may/can be other issues that while it may seem clear cut and dry here in forum land get all muddied up on the streets. Call me cynical but theres little justice when dealing with the justice system.
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- 10-03-2012, 11:38 PM #17Registered User
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Although it might not seem as if much is happening in the NICU, the staff do very regular observations on the newborns and there is a slew of high tech equipment and personell nearby should a little wee one crash (and this can happen quickly because the newborns have zero to no reserve). Yes its inconvenient to mums and yes with more $$$$$ in the system they could have it so that mums and babies could stay together whilst these obs are being done BUT in a cash strapped, resources/manpower strapped system I think the Queen Mary does really, really well.
Agree with Carang, the hospital just can't win, damned if they don't take the precautions and criticised if they do.....
I've got plenty of experience with QMH NICU and honestly I think they do go to the almost damaging point of overly cautious. My daughter was in NICU for 4 months - other babies in the US who were MORE severe than my daughter were out of NICU and home within 2 weeks. There was no change in my daughter's condition between 2 weeks of age and 4 months of age - and the doctors told me she was there pretty much "just in case". When she was in NICU between 2 weeks old and 4 months old, there was nothing that they did there that we could not have done at home. Of course if she took a turn for the worse, we couldn't give her the emergency care that would have been necessary, but she never once needed that.
Also, my daughter's surgery to mend her cleft palate was also delayed more significantly than it should have been. It was finally repaired when she was 22 months old, although in other countries, kids who have similar conditions have their cleft repaired closer to 15 months (slightly delayed from the average 12 months old). Due to the long delay, we are now (at 26 months old) dealing with more significant speech delays than if the cleft had been repaired sooner. (That wasn't a NICU decision, it was a plastic surgery decision).
I'm not saying that they should not take necessary precautions, but over here they take far more precautions than is necessary in my opinion/experience - and there are frequently negative consequences which I feel outweigh the benefits of that gap between "regular-cautious" and "over-cautious".
Ultimately, I would prefer my doctors to be a bit more cautious than average - however the extremes that I've experienced in the system over here are crazy. That said, my situation is not a regular case... but I have seen a common theme occur over and over...
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Taking a newborn baby from a GBS positive mother "for observation" makes no sense. The chances of a GBS positive mother passing the infection to her baby during birth are:
- 0.5% without IV antibiotics in labour
- 0.025% with IV antibiotics in labour
The risk is extremely low as you can see from these CDC statistics!
There are many other infections a newborn baby is more susceptible to and more likely to contract (e.g. respiratory infection, gastroenteritis, non-GBS meningitis etc.) and by taking the baby away from his mother, his chances are even higher of contracting one of these. A newborn baby in constant skin contact with his mother and receiving her colostrum has better oxygen saturation, a stronger immune system and better stats overall.
So in short, taking a baby from his mother for the 0.5 - 0.025% risk of contracting GBS, is putting the newborn at a very real risk of more likely and more common other infections…
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Ok so back from QMH: was admitted with 1 minute contractions every 5 minutes for an hour. About 9 hours later my cervix had only dilated by 2cm, baby's heartbeat was "not good" with each contraction and induction was not an option as i had had a previous c-section. Dr said he couldn't see the point in waiting doubted my cervix would open much more so had a c- section about an hour later.
As expected they took baby up for 24 hour observation because of the GBS and because baby was a bit apneic at birth though was immediately stabilized. Was denied my request for immediate skin to skin contacts after birth and for delayed cord clamping.
Was also denied to be taken up in a wheelchair to breast feed baby every 3 hours and had to wait until visiting hours the next day. Was told they would have to supplement or baby would need a drip. Might have been able to see him sooner but Dr decided I wasn't passing enough urine, which I tried to explain was normal as I hadn't been drinking since long before the surgery and don't want to drink too much when I go the go ahead as I was afraid to overload my system. Baby was released after 23 hours observation. We were discharged 44 hours after the operation. Not my ideal birth story but glad to be home with baby.
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Congratulations on your new baby :)
i'm sorry it wasn't the experience you were hoping for... but i'm glad baby arrived safe and sound! congratulations!
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The chances of a GBS positive mother passing the infection to her baby during birth are:
- 0.5% without IV antibiotics in labour
- 0.025% with IV antibiotics in labour
It's not just about the chances of something happening that is important, you also need to couple it with the OUTCOME (catastrophic or mild), if the outcome occurs. That is called a risk rating and the hospitals have made their risk rating, and deem that for GBS positive mothers they will admit the newborn for observation for 24 hours. If the outcome is of no consequence then health economists tend not to put too many resources into it no matter how commonly it occurs i.e. mild gastroenteritis.
End of the day, if you prefer to take the risks upon your own shoulders there is a form you can fill in to free the hospital of its responsibility and you can direct your own care (but I'm not sure if you can direct the care of your newborn but having seen the form I think there is a bit for parents to fill out if I remember right). Most people don't go down this route because ultimately, it is one thing to think you are right (and possibly vent on an open forum) and another to really take responsibility for it.
Nicolejoy, I totally sympathise with your situation and the problem with the long wait to have your LO's cleft repaired, but wish to point out that waiting lists are FERAL in HK. Looking at the waiting list for cardiac investigations here vs in Australia, there is a difference of some 12-18 months (which is quite frankly ridiculous - you probably don't need the test any more if you had to wait that long and are alive after doing so) but I think this is the fault of the low taxes here and the fact that bugger all is spent on healthcare.
As I say, I think the QMH does well with the resources it is allocated, and I agree with Carang when she says the fact is that the children are born healthy in the public hospital, but not to expect the bells and whistles/hand holding (unless you are willing to pay for it - my opinion). It makes me really annoyed on the staff's behalf when we bash the system that provides a good basic no frills service for 90% of the HK population (and I am told by my husband that its not only the expats that do this - the locals are really into it).
All of us would agree that if you made a decision to pay less for a phone you might get a phone without a camera/music/video recorder other bells and whistles. And no one would go bananas at the phone companies. Same goes for when you go for spa/ to a restaurant/use a plane, yet when it comes to healthcare, it upsets me that service users feel that is it right to demand service over and above what the hospital resourced is provide. There is an alternative with loads more bells and whistles in healthcare - if you don't like what the government hospital is providing than go the alternative route or sign that DAMA (discharge/disagree with medical advice form).
I understand some of the reasons why the situations are the way that they are here, but I still firmly believe that it has detrimental effects that can outweigh the benefits.
When my daughter was in NICU I felt so strongly that my daughter shouldn't be there that I considered taking her home against medical advice. I even discussed that with the doctors. You're right though, ultimately how can anyone make that decision and then they have to take full responsibility if something adverse happens. (I probably would have done it but there's no way my risk-averse husband would have agreed to it!!)
I'm not attempting to "bash the system" - even if you search this forum, you will read many posts written by me that are positive about QMH and other public hospitals (my best experiences have been at Duchess of Kent) - however I do feel strongly about this one issue. I have discussed it with doctors and nurses there too. It's not a matter of service (I'm not commenting on the rooms, the manners, the closing of Starbucks ;) ), it's a matter of the way that medical decisions are made here compared to elsewhere.
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Explore the charming city of Port Orange from this 4-bedroom, 3-bath vacation rental home which sleeps 6. First established back in 1867 on the banks of the Halifax River, Port Orange has blossomed into an upscale community blending beauty with opportunity within its 28 square miles, tree-lined streets, and lush parks. If you haven't had the chance to experience the splendor of this lovely Florida town, it's about time you come and see for yourself why over 50,000 people are proud to call Port Orange their home!
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Everyone in your traveling party will love this home's great location - The gated community features its own golf course and private airport, where you can watch beautiful sunset take-offs and landings every day! Make sure to check out Downwinds Cafe, Bar and Grill, located inside the airport, for a tasty meal or snack. You'll find this community very kid-friendly, and you can even take a golf cart practically everywhere within the neighborhood.
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-Bedroom 3: Queen-sized Bed
-Bedroom 4: 2 Twin-sized Beds
-No smoking
-No pets allowed
-Must be at least 30 years old to book
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- Bedroom 3 (Front)1 queen
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1st class all the way. Beautiful home and excellent care and information provided by Ellie Mott. Easy drive into Daytona. Convenient location for golf beaches and groceries. It was truly an oasis from our work in Daytona for the week.
Beautiful house, needs some TLC
The house is beautiful but lots of little things need to be addressed. Lightbulbs burned out, broken switches, no toilet paper in bathrooms, garbage in bushes, towels in the dryer, crumbs on tables, cracks in windows, pool and hot tub need upkeep (huge crack in hot tub so it leaks) and pool was freezing! We enjoyed our stay but felt it needed a good cleaning and some maintenance done. Not very kid friendly. Our biggest snag was no key to the house..front door was unlocked so we got in and just had to use the garage door opener during our stay.
Hi Rochelle, We are glad that overall you enjoyed your time at this beautiful property! We do let guests know before their stay to coordinate their arrival with their guest contact so they can receive the keys to the home. In the future, please don't hesitate to reach out to your guest contact or Evolve directly with any concerns - we would have been happy to assist you while you were still at the property! We have shared your feedback with the homeowner so any necessary adjustments can be made to ensure the comfort of future travelers. Thank you for letting us know about your stay, and we hope to travel with you again soon! Best, the Evolve Team
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Excellent. Property was clean and beautifully furnished. No problems. Great location.
Fantastic place to stay!!
We had a wonderful time staying here. The house is bigger than the pictures. Very roomy and there's plenty of space to accommodate everyone so if you need time alone it isn't an issue. Ellie Mott was our POC and was fantastic!! Helped us in every way possible!! Thank You Ellie!! It's very quiet and picturesque. I would book again without hesitation.
Was probably a nice house at one time.
House was one problem after the other. Smelled like rotten garbage on check in. Took two days to air it out. We found a wet, mildewed filter in the air conditioning system, which I bought and replaced myself. We replaced light bulbs and fixed cabinet doors ourselves. I rented the property because it had a pool, but there was so much trouble with the propane, that we only used it once. The toilet had to be repaired while we were there. The house was definitely not in check in condition, especially given the fact we paid almost 8 thousand dollars for the stay. Most aggregious, however, was the gas leak fiasco. We were unable to heat the spa despite the gauge on the propane tank reading 60% and everyone telling me we were out of propane. The pool heater person said there was a problem with the gas supply. The gas person showed up and replaced a faulty gauge and put a new regulator on the tank. We came home to the overwhelming smell of gas. I started trying to get some help from our local contact there at around 8pm, who didn't want anything to do with the problem and told me to call the rental company. I called and didn't get a call back, so I called again and was told that she was in Colorado and there was nothing she could do, call back at 8:30 the next day. Since I didn't think leaving a gas leak till the next day, I had no choice but to call the fire department around midnight. They came and confirmed the propane leak and called Amerigas who showed up about an hour later. He found an open valve which was leaking propane probably since his last visit which was two days earlier. He closed the valve and the smell eventually subsided. By this time the trip was over. I am a surgeon and am used to dealing with people and problems, and have been doing it for 25 years. I know how important it is to show concern for patients/clients. If I practiced this way, I would be out of practice. I asked for some consideration for our trouble and was told flatly no, and additionally I might be billed extra for propane usage. I was also told there was no propane leaking by someone in Colorado who was never there to smell it. I personally talked to the service person that told me he closed the open valve. If I could talk to the owner I would tell him you are poorly representing him. I will absolutely never use you again and will be sure to tell anyone and everyone that will listen, to never book anything with this service.
David, we're sincerely apologetic about the issues you experienced at this home regarding the gas and cleanliness. We and the owner take feedback very seriously and we regret if the measures we took weren't satisfactory for your stay. In regards to the propane, the gas company believes the propane was empty due to the hot tub being left on continuously. Their company confirmed that there was no gas leak, and they replaced the regulator to make sure everything was up to code. They had confirmed this both with your party and the homeowner. In the check in instructions, it is mentioned that you may be billed for any excessive propane usage, but we are sorry if this caught you off guard. Here at Evolve, we hold each property to 4 Core Property Standards: Safe, Clean, Guest-Ready, and As Advertised. We have shared your comments with the homeowner and will do everything we can to ensure that these standards are met for future guests. Thanks for letting us know. Best, The Evolve Team
Beautiful property upscale neighborhood
I Certainly consider staying here again
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The VHP's topmost body, Margdarshak Mandal, in a resolution adopted on Friday in Haridwar also rejected the suggestion to settle the Ram temple issue outside the court and demanded that the Centre should take initiative in this regard.
"Mandir wahin… Ayodhya mein koi nai masjid nahin… Babar ke naam par Bharat mein kuch bhi nahin (Temple at the same site… no new mosque in Ayodhya… nothing in the name of Babar in India anymore)," the resolution stated.
When contacted, VHP joint general secretary Surendra Jain said enough mosques already existed in Ayodhya. "VHP will oppose if any new mosque is be built there," he added.
"In support of the resolution in the meeting, the sants argued 'will any Hanuman temple be allowed in Vatican City or Mecca'. Ayodhya holds relevance to non-Hindus as well and only temple should be allowed there," said Jain.
"The idea of settling the Ram Mandir issue out of the court amicably was rejected because Muslims had every time stepped away from talks in the past. It was resolved in the meet that Ram temple could be built only by enacting a law through the Parliament and the Centre must initiate the process. The sants had supported BJP in the hope that a Ram temple would be built and the government should work for it," he added.
These resolutions will be discussed in Ayodhya on June 7, when birthday celebrations of Ram Janmabhoomi Nyas president Nritya Gopal Das —an accused in the Babri Masjid demolition case — is set to conclude. A 'Sant Sammelan' will be oraganised the same day.
VHP spokesperson in Awadh prant, Sharad Sharma, said the event will be attended by UP Deputy Chief Minister Keshav Prasad Maurya and Cabinet Minister Mukut Bihari Verma, MP Minister Kunwar Jaibhan Singh Pawaiya and Rajya Sabha member Subramanian Swamy. Others attending the event include VHP working president Pravin Togadia and general secretary Champat Rai.
On Wednesday, Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath had visited Ayodhya, where he had attended the first day of the birthday celebrations. Sharma said that Union Minister Kalraj Mishra will attend the celebrations on June 5 and 6. "Earlier as well, the birthday of Nritya Gopal Das had been celebrated in the same manner… Yogi Adityanath and other senior leaders and sants have been visiting," said Umesh Pandey, VHP's co-secretary of Awadh region.
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Certain strings attached to the bill mean Tesla (Nasdaq: TSLA) can operate four dealerships and must offer at least one service facility for car repairs, The Star-Ledger reported. The car maker previously operated two New Jersey stores, which were converted into showrooms after the ban.
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009
2.24.09 & The Thunderbird Dreaming
I haven't seen the numbers in a while now tho I did see 4:44 yesterday. I read recently that the reason some people see them is because we want to. That may be so tho i don't feel that it is.
I had a dreaming last night. The Thunderbird Dream ......
Nik and I were driving home in the crow truck. Like we often do, we saw two vultures circling in the distance in a field just before our road turns to dirt. As we drew nearer we could see that they weren't vultures at all and that they were huge. Bigger then any bird I've ever seen including Condors. They were brown on top and light or white underneath with a brown hourglass shape on their undersides.
I stopped the truck and we got out to see them. As we did one of them landed in the field just a few feet from us and stood very upright on it's feet. I'm tall, around 5'9" the Thunderbird, as I instantly knew it to be, looked down at me. Well over 6 feet tall. It had a feathered head and feathered wings but the wings were shaped or held like pterodactyl wings and they had little hands or fingers, on their wing joints. The beak was also pterodactyl like but with no protrusions on the back and covered with feathers. I could see clearly the brown hourglass shape on his underside and I knew that's what it was meant to be.
Altho I felt dread, it was not dread of the beings themselves but of the reason they had come. I walked toward the standing one .... and then the dreaming was gone.
We went to do a little stocking up today, a few more canned and dry goods, more bottled water, two more bags of chicken feed.
On the way to the store I saw the most amazing thing ! I have seen a great many unusual things in my life but this amazed me none the less. I saw a leaf, lying on the ground, raise up and twirl thru the air back toward the tree. The last I saw it, it was among the tree branches. I'm sure it must have been the wind that gently lifted the leaf to return it to it's tree but knowing that takes none of the magic from experiencing it. All I could think of for quite sometime is how blessed I am and how lucky to have seen such an enchantment.
4 comments:
- Carol said...
Loved your dream!
Tell me about the numbers, Juli. I must have missed your original posting about it.
- February 24, 2009 at 9:03 PM
- oldcrow61 said...
You do have unusual dreams. I too feel blessed on seeing enchantments. There truly is magic all around us if we're open to receive them.
- February 25, 2009 at 4:06 PM
- MyMaracas said...
There must have been something in the air last night. My dreams were strange and vivid as well, though not nearly so pleasant or magical.
Thank you for sharing the story of the leaf. It gives me hope, though I can't say why.
- February 25, 2009 at 5:57 PM
- fly tie said...
oh that's beautiful...about the leaf and the tree. i'd have loved to have witnessed that and would have thought more of it just as you did.
regarding the numbers...i always seem to look at my digital clocks when it's 11:20 (my birthday) and 9:11. not sure what that's about, but i come up with all sorts of reasons why in my mind.
your dream has me thinking...
- March 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM


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"Nothing is more sacred as the bond between a horse and a rider. No other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on, because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, and the very existence dies also."
- Stephanie M Thorn
I needed today. I needed to wrap myself up in my head and withdrawl into my own world. I went to the park and pounded the pavement with my asics. I ran it four times stopping twice at the abandoned playground to swing on the swing sets. The wind was cool and the sky was threatening and all I could think was, "I should have swung more when I was a little kid". I love swing sets, I always have. Whenever I see them I get giddy and can't resist the urge to go for a little swing.
We rode out to the back pasture. I slipped his tack off and laid in the grass, resting my head on my well worn saddle. Savoring the smell of leather, horse, and earth. He grazed in close proximity to me, occasionally nuzzling me or waking me with soft, warm puffs of air on my cheek.
Sometimes I look at him and I try to picture my life without him.
In thirty years I'll be rounding fifty and he'll be gone. I can't imagine those times. Lines on my face, wisdom behind my eyes, my skin tan and scarred from years of living.
In thirty years the best teacher in my life will be gone and I can't even begin to cope with that idea. You'll have to drug me, I swear.
I spent the day outside with my favorite men whispering in my ears through neon orange speakers (Gary Allan, Jason Aldean, Journey). I made the executive decision to keep my phone off all day. I needed a break from all forms of human contact. I needed to soak up the day and screw my head on straight. I finally turned it on about nineteentwenty to a voicemail from a best friend. She put her horse down this evening from complications with EPM and cancer. He was such a great horse and I respect the hell out of her for everything she did to keep him happy as long as possible. Rest In Peace Tommy, you'll be missed love.


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Every dispute in history has been about aesthetics. Think about it. The eighteenth century question was: Are the French better or the English? The answer depended wholly upon whether you preferred the lifestyle of the Protestant country gentleman or the urban French Catholic.
The nineteenth century struggle between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat came down to private sphere middle class austerity vs. the less rigid, more communal lifestyle of the worker. The twentieth century battle has been between dictatorship and democracy. Which style of life and way of appearance does one prefer?
What people have not yet realised, and what I feel they should, is that these same aesthetic struggles are still going on today, despite the seeming downfall of communism and the appearance of the "new world order."
See, we've already determined that capitalism and democracy win. Those rigid hardline dictatorial regimes cannot compete with the inherent profit potential of the good old market system. Yet people are still unhappy? That's probably because even though we've discovered the best *system* we have not perfected the details, not yet.
American capitalism has its problems. Greed is not particularly aesthetically appealing. Neither is slovenliness. Especially to a younger generation more concerned than ever about ethics and about appearance. The problem is, the under-thirty generation in America hasn't fully realised this yet. At least not consciously. They have in the UK. Not only have they discerned it, but they have proceeded to find a way around social norms by developing their own forms of culture...or subculture.
"What," you are probably asking yourself by now, "is she talking about?" It's really quite simple. All you have to do is listen to Pulp, or Blur, or Supergrass, or Oasis, or Marion, or Gene, or Suede. Read a couple of issues of Select or the New Musical Express. Go read Trainspotting. It's all about being frustrated and upset with not only the greed of our parents' generation, but also with the boring, stuffy appearance of what they have created and draped across our society and, in return, with reinventing yourself. In the UK a number of subcultures sprung up, all directed towards destroying the old society and juxtaposing something fresher in its place.
American youth revolted, as they should, but they went in the wrong direction. They seem to believe that youths should "get back" at the mess their parents have made by rejecting everything their parents enjoy -- even if it includes hygiene. Look at the so called "alternateen" in the U.S. Shabby long hair, dirty, baggy clothes that don't fit. And heavy drug use which dulls the mind and makes it impossible for you to think straight enough to be of any use to anybody, especially youself. It's hip to be part of the great unwashed.
That only lasts so long. One day you finish puberty and you actually want a life. In America you have one option...dress like mom and dad. Adopt their culture. If you are clean cut and presentable you are automatically part of the System. That's crazy. And unnecessary. And if you look at present-day England you can see that isn't true. It's like Mark Renton says in the closing bit of Trainspotting, "I choose life."
Just like Renton, you CAN choose life, a big TV, a house in the country. You just choose it on YOUR terms. It's sad that American kids are so far behind. But I have something that might help them.
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And now they're coming over here after us. They want to teach us a few things, and they sent the brothers Gallagher as advance scouts. They want to know just how bad things have become for us over here.
They have a plan. Deep into the night the same masterminds that devised the whole Blur vs. Oasis scandal and that sent Jarvis Cocker to wag his butt at Michael Jackson's assertion that he was Jesus, have a plan to conquer America and to reclaim the minds and hearts of the under-thirty populace and to turn them onto the new aesthetic which will lead us into the twenty-first century.
They want to save our souls so to speak by giving us back our individuality through the adoption of their subculture.
Their plan begins not with the would be Lennon-McCartney team that has proven that America is ripe for invasion. Instead it begins in the heart of America itself with a core of us who do understand. We know what they know. And we want to explain it to you. And this zine is dedicated to making it VERY clear what it is we stand for.
We're taking up where punk left off. We know what they did wrong. You don't have to reject everything, you just have to reject what doesn't work. You can take what is there and just USE IT FOR YOUR OWN PURPOSES.
We're sick and tired of people thinking that the only way to get back at the older generation for the wreckage they've created is to reject what's out there, and to sit on their arses smoking dope and complaining about how much the world out there sucks.
It's stupid to reject everything outright when we all know damn well some of it sounds pretty good.
We want to look good. And we do. "We wear the same clothes cause we feel the same."
We want fast cars and big houses and paid vacations to the country. "We want to roll with it in our very big house in the country"
We want important jobs we enjoy.
We want to listen to good music and go to the theater on occasion.
We're sick of being told we have to get an education and when we get an education of being told we need job experience instead.
We're sick of being told we're too young, too inexperienced, too flighty.
We want to be able to tell anybody who doesn't like us to go to hell.
We only believe in the knowledge that life is short and that we should enjoy it while we can in the best way we know how.
The world is fucked up enough without having to follow somebody else's rules.
We're children of the bleak urban generation and we want to give ourselves a chance.
So I quote Brett Anderson of Suede in saying: "While the styles turn and the books still burn/Yes it's there in the platinum spires/It's there in the telephone wires/And we spread it around to a techno sound/But like a new generation RISE."
Life isn't about sitting on your arse being morbid, cynical and depressed, it's about a big party. And we're here to show you, one fashion victim at a time, how to join in the party. We're going to give you back your individuality by making you a part of our group. If you do what we say, you WILL get your life back. It's really the only way to go. Join our subculture. Become one of the indoctrinated masses.
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I knocked up a beer on Sunday, It's an old speckled hen clone, which is about my favourite cask ale. Here's the recipe I ended up using.
Type: Partial Mash
Batch Size: 57.00 L
|Brewer: Eoin
|I reused 4 cups Danstar Nottingham Yeast from my last batch because the yeast was a little fluffy and had a lot of break material in it.
Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.054 SG
|Est Final Gravity: 1.014 SG
|Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.2 %
|Bitterness: 47 IBU
|Est Color: 19.4 EBC
Ingredients all laid out and ready.
A bit of history about the old speckled hen which I have taken from this thread which is also where I got most of the recipe from, I've added the wheat malt myself for increased head retention. I'm using pH 5.2 mash stabiliser for the first time.
"Old Speckled Hen was first brewed in Abingdon, Oxfordshire to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the local MG car factory. WHY? I hear you ask. Well, sit back, relax, and I'll tell you. The name is actually derived from the term "owld speckled 'un", used to describe an old MG car which was used as a factory run-around. Through time, this strange, canvas-covered saloon became covered with flecks of paint and was dubbed the "owld speckled 'un" by locals. There you are, simple and completely uninteresting. The brewing of Old Speckled Hen was transferred in 1999 from Abingdon in Oxfordshire to Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk. These days Greene King brews all its beers in Bury St Edmunds, where ale has been a feature of life since at least as far back as 1086."
For my partial mash I used the brew in a bag technique and sparged as well as I could.
Despite the pH stabiliser my pH didn't drop below 6.1. I'll keep an eye on this because if it's not worth it then it's not worth it.
Brew in a bag ready to go, the bag was made by my ever so talented wife
The other pic is of the boil in full swing. I skimmed off the hot break material as well as I could, it saves on boilovers.
There was lots of cold break material and hops left in the boiler at the end.
Gratuitous gunk shot.(ooh err matron)
Once done , I ran off the wort, I ended up with 58l of 1.052 wort, which should end up about 5.2% ABV which is on target.
The whole lot then went into the fridge with a few cupfuls of the Notty sludge from my last brew.
The wife got me an old fridge for free off one of her forums and I modified it with some Kingspan insulation and polyurethane sprayfoam to fit my fermenter. I then bypassed the thermostat on the fridge so it's permanently on when plugged in and then attached it to an ATC-800+ which has the ability to turn on heat and cold circuits to maintain a temperature within a degree either side of a set temperature. I have a heat belt attached to the heating circuit and the cold is on the fridge. I have it set to 18c as I like the low flavour profile of the Nottingham yeast at low temperatures.
I did a bottling session the same day, I'll post about that shortly.