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Sunday, June 22, 2008
Monday Night TV Shoot-Out: Benson/LaJoie vs. Waltrip/Knaus
It is that time of the week again when the two big Monday NASCAR TV shows get to duke-it-out for your attention as a fan.
ESPN airs the one hour "roundtable" version of NASCAR Now at 5:30PM Eastern Time and then re-airs the show at 1AM Tuesday. SPEED airs This Week In NASCAR at 8PM and then repeats it twice at Midnight and 8AM on Tuesday morning.
Both these shows are after the same audience. NASCAR fans who want more information than they were able to get from the live TV and radio broadcasts. Despite the updated information and stories on the Internet, there is nothing like watching experienced NASCAR personalities talk about the weekend of racing.
On this Monday, NASCAR Now will continue to rotate panelists in the studio. Host Allen Bestwick will be joined by Randy LaJoie and Johnny Benson. Mike Massaro will also be on the panel and has become a semi-regular because of his ability to speak to almost any issue and his wealth of NASCAR reporting knowledge for ESPN over the years.
Over on SPEED, it will be the new "odd couple" of NASCAR TV with Michael Waltip as Oscar and the buttoned-up Chad Knaus as Felix on TWIN. The complete opposite personalities of these two have really begun to be a hit for SPEED. Waltrip seems to be finally comfortable with host Steve Byrnes and has begun to drive Knaus completely crazy on a regular basis, which is his main function on this program.
ESPN2 is up first, and Bestwick continues to have the best year of his long TV career. His transformation of this hour has been nothing short of amazing. The veteran crew slated for this Monday includes the winner of the NCTS race, a former Busch Series champ and one of the most experienced NASCAR reporters in the history of ESPN.
Bestwick continues to be long-winded, but when he keeps his questions short and lets the panelists talk, the show takes on a new dynamic. When he asks paragraph-length questions and adds-in his own opinion, things bog down in a hurry. Often, this depends on how responsive and interesting the panelists are during the show. On this Monday, Bestwick can just toss-out the topic and stand-back.
All the panelists get to ask questions of the two guests on the show and this has been a smart idea. Different views and personalities are what this sport is all about and the constantly changing faces on this TV series have made it work this season.
Over on SPEED, Byrnes might have a good show because of the wild nature of the Sonoma race and the fact that New Hampshire is next. Both of these topics are going to be good for Waltrip and Knaus in both review and preview mode. Which will come first this week?
When Byrnes can get Waltrip to settle-in and feel comfortable right away, viewers can sense that the show is going to come up to full-speed in a hurry. If things get off-base, the rest of the hour suffers. To both their credit, Waltrip and Knaus have been firm in their viewpoints and often hilarious in their differences.
This week, Daly Planet readers can view the programs and then offer their reactions on this post. We will skip the individual columns this week and let you tell us what parts of the shows you enjoyed, and what you think needs to change. Your comment can be any length, but please observe the rules on the right side of the main page.
To add your opinion, just click on the COMMENTS button below and follow the easy instructions. Thank you very much for taking the time to stop by our site and offer your NASCAR TV comments.
50 comments:
- Dot said...
Hi JD,
Hey, I'm the first one here.
I just looked into the future and we have Tennis on ESPN2 prior to First Report, then NN. After that Rome is Burning. Then, my favorite College Baseball.
There is a one hour cushion for us to see NN in its entirety (sp?). JD, I'm checking your site tomorrow to see if the time is changing. My DVR is already set. I got burned last week. Did see it later though. At least TWIN is on when SPEED says it is.
- June 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM
- Vicky D said...
I always enjoy hearing Randy's comments and with JB & AB should be a great show. I'll be out of town for a week, so maybe the shows will be broadcast at the stated times then I'll be able to watch them on the DVR on my return. I would be ticked off if ESPN changes the time at the last minute.
- June 23, 2008 at 7:07 AM
- Ritchie said...
Mr. Daly,
I am going to have to take you to task for the following statement:
Both these shows are after the same audience. NASCAR fans who want more information than they were able to get from the live TV and radio broadcasts.
These two show are as similar as Meet the Press and The View. Yes, they both talk racing, but I can't believe many people choose TWIN to get in-depth information. If that truly is their target audience, then they are delusional.
It is as you have pointed out before, Michael Waltrip is the franchise. The people who currently watch this show do so with the intent of being entertained by his silliness. Sure, there may be a pearl of racing wisdom that drops out of his mouth every so often, but no one is sitting on their couch expecting it. They are simply waiting for the zaniness to comence.
Maybe I am getting a bit too protective of NN, but I just don't feel that TWIN should be placed on the same level as NN. One is substance, one is fluff.
- June 23, 2008 at 8:39 AM
- Gary said...
Speaking of THE VIEW, we need all the females (that report from the track) to do a weekly panel show about what they saw going on during the previous race, from their perspective.
It would be good timing for NASCAR PR to be behind such an effort, without any stated talking points, etc. Hah!
- June 23, 2008 at 9:09 AM
- Anonymous said...
Ritchie is 100% correct, these shows are 180 degrees apart. Nascar Now has become must see TV for those of us who really love racing. Smart, intelligent, informative, with guests who are prepared for the show and always inform and entertain us. TWIN on the other hand is a show I have stopped watching as I have had my fill of MW, with his DOPEY demeanor and poor attempts at being humorous. Definitely SUBSTANCE vs. FLAKY FLUFF!!This blog seems to be overly protective of the Waltrip brothers, but I for one feel it is time for FOX/ SPEED to consider replacing them with talent comparable to what ESPN and TNT has. That race broadcast yesterday on TNT was very good, I even think Larry Mac has found a role he is good in. If you compare right down the line it isn't even close, Mark Fien vs. Chris Meyers, Wally and Kyle vs. DW and Larry, Larry in his new role vs. Hammond,except for Mike Joy, TNT's people are much better and do a much better job of bringing us the race coverage. I for one don't mind checking the TV listings as I don't want to miss NN.
- June 23, 2008 at 9:20 AM
- Anonymous said...
I personally think those who don't like TWIN because they think MW is "flaky" and not "serious" enough need to pull the stick out of their rears and learn to have fun.
Funny how you'd rather watch a show about NASCAR with guys that weren't even in the Cup or Nationwide races, but in trucks. Lajoie doesn't even drive anymore, just makes the seats those drivers sit in. So if you'd rather have the info from guys not even in the big races, rather that info from a driver/team owner that actually raced in the Cup race and a championship crew chief that was there, by all means, go for it.
I personally would rather have my info from the guys that were actually there. JB is great but he is not in Cup racing anymore and I actually wish he was back on TWIN
- June 23, 2008 at 9:31 AM
- Anonymous said...
This blog seems to be overly protective of the Waltrip brothers
You haven't been reading it long, have you?
- June 23, 2008 at 10:03 AM
- Anonymous said...
If you read them very carefully, Ritchie's and Anon 9:20's comments are accurate and right on the money. There is no need to become upset over them or try to insult someone for an opposite point of view. Sometimes when you read something that is true but at the same time you don't like it, you can react very negatively or lash out at the person or persons responsible. That's not the point of this blog, it's to express views and hopefully the networks listen and make changes that most viewers want. I know others who share these opinions about TWIN and NN as well. NN and TWIN are two completely different shows, with two different approaches. I personally like the NN approach.
- June 23, 2008 at 10:21 AM
- Ritchie said...
anon 9:31
Easy my friend. I didn't say that there was no place for watching Mikey doing his comedy routine. I just said the shows are different.
Yes, Mr. Waltrip was in the race, but last year he wasn't in half of them and he still remained as a panelist. That tells us that viewers didn't care about his experience in the race. Viewers simply wanted the Michael Waltrip Comedy Hour.
- June 23, 2008 at 10:30 AM
- Greg said...
My God, Lighten Up This is racin', it's supposed to be fun. We are not curing cancer here, we are trying to figure out how to make a car go faster. I can't see how people want it both ways. You gripe at NASCAR that they won't let the drivers be themselves, then you gripe at the drivers because they are not all serious and corporate. If you want serious corporate information then watch NN. If you want racing information with some humor then watch TWIN. But John is right, both shows are going for as many viewers as they can get because they want the money!!
If you are truly interested in racing and getting "inside" information, then get off your butt and buy a car and go to your local short track and learn how to drive. Sorry, but ESPN and SPEED are TV shows, not actual sources of racing information. You sound like Cole Trickle.
You know what racing and sex have in common? Most guys think they are good at it!
Oh, and BTW, Allen Bestwick is by far the most talented NASCAR reporter and play by play guy in the business. It astounds me how much abuse that guy has taken over the years. Why ESPN doesn't have him in Doc's position is unfathomable. Keep it up Allen, we love your work!
- June 23, 2008 at 10:38 AM
- Lou,Kingston,NY said...
Good Morning JD,
Based on the last 8 comments(2 through 10), one would think the Shoot-Out already started. Love the picture at the top of your page. Look forward to more of the same that we get every week on NASCAR Now, a top notch program as usual. And I do enjoy Mike and Chad on TWIN. It is just that I do not record or watch the show live until I have read the comments in your column, in that I do not care about a race I have yet to see at the start of the program. Thanks, JD.
- June 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM
- Lou,Kingston,NY said...
comments 3 through 10, sorry for the typo.
- June 23, 2008 at 11:06 AM
- SophiaZ123 said...
Shootout indeed! I think we need a sheriff or at least a Barney Fife with bullet in his pocket. :-)
To Anon responding about the Waltrip brothers with something like "You haven't been reading this blog long have you?" made me laugh out loud.
Like Lou, I usually wait until comments about TWIN before deciding to watch..ONLY because i also hate the nonsensical ba$$ackwards format.
NN shall be "time slot roulette" per usual on ESPN. That's the most annoying thing about that show. And good luck on the repeats. That can never be found without a court order, search warrant and a map !!
- June 23, 2008 at 11:47 AM
- Ritchie said...
Hi Greg,
Thanks for the stream of consciousness you offered to us.
Sorry, but ESPN and SPEED are TV shows, not actual sources of racing information.
You are saying that ESPN and SPEED are not sources for information? That is actually the only reason they exist.
We are not curing cancer here, we are trying to figure out how to make a car go faster.
I thought we were watching TV. Who is making the cars go faster? Who was trying to cure cancer? Why can't the people you are talking about do both?
You gripe at NASCAR that they won't let the drivers be themselves, then you gripe at the drivers because they are not all serious and corporate.
Who is griping at NASCAR? I was griping at Mr. Daly, but only mildly. We are all griping about the TV shows, but not the drivers directly.
You sound like Cole Trickle.
I don't know what you meant by that, but I find it strangly amusing. I guess I would respond by saying you sound like Jean Girard.
Just joking. Enjoyed your post.
- June 23, 2008 at 11:51 AM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
I think you guys have taken a good look at exactly why NASCAR TV is so diverse.
Bestwick has pointed NN in an entirely different direction, but last year at this time we were all ganging-up on the horrible version of the same show ESPN was putting on-the-air.
NN is holding a very tight line to the "look" of the show. Suits and ties in HD are a lot different than khaki shirts and Mikey's goofy shoes.
Both networks are chasing the same audience with two completely different approaches. It's fun to watch.
NN misses a crew chief perspective and TWIN misses a third voice. Again this week both shows will go without. I look forward to reading your reviews of both shows when they are complete.
By the way, your comments have made this the top-rated NASCAR blog on the Internet. Thank you for your contributions.
- June 23, 2008 at 12:02 PM
- bevo said...
I just wish they would bring back RPM2Nite :)
- June 23, 2008 at 12:44 PM
- Sadie said...
Personally, I'd rather watch khaki pants and goofy shoes, than stiff shirts and ties, I see that all day at work. They are two different shows with two different ideas on discussing the same race. I don't understand what is the big deal is. If I get home in time to watch NN, I watch it. If not, I'll watch TWIN for the same information but with a laugh or two. No biggie here.
- June 23, 2008 at 12:45 PM
- glenc1 said...
bevo, you said it. And I didn't mind that RPM covered all kinds of racing; I learned about other series I didn't know existed. It was a totally different kind of show than any on right now. They didn't talk one guy to death (Busch, Logano), cause there was so much to cover. Not the most in depth, but that wasn't what it tried to do. Sigh.
I do agree that these shows may be looking at a similar audience, but they're on at totally different times so you can watch both if you're inclined (and obviously one could record one even if they were simultaneous.) I don't really see it as a competition though.
- June 23, 2008 at 12:53 PM
- Anonymous said...
They are two different shows with two different ideas on discussing the same race. I don't understand what is the big deal is.
I don't, either--I watch both.
- June 23, 2008 at 1:33 PM
- Anonymous said...
Sorry, but ESPN and SPEED are TV shows, not actual sources of racing information.
Sure, they are--when someone in NASCAR racing appears on those shows and says something, that's "information."
Not sure how YOU define "information."
- June 23, 2008 at 1:35 PM
- Newracefan said...
Watch both, Love both. When I'm done I have had many different perspectives on the same race and the problem with that is?
- June 23, 2008 at 1:43 PM
- Anonymous said...
There is no competition...when at best all you get in local print is 1 summarized story and TV network news is 15 seconds (at the most)...I will take as many progams as SPEED and ESPN have to offer.
- June 23, 2008 at 2:51 PM
- SophiaZ123 said...
Boo hiss. JB could not get there due to bad weather. if this show were in Charlotte, easy to get last minute fill in.
- June 23, 2008 at 5:33 PM
- Spring Rubber said...
It's a shame we don't have Johnny Benson. They said he was supposed to fly in, but the airport got shut down all day due to storms in the area
- June 23, 2008 at 5:35 PM
- Dot said...
I got in late and turned on NN expecting to see Tennis. Surprise, surprise it's NN. Will catch what I missed on tape.
To Sophia,
Thanks for the JB upate. I was just wondering where he was. BTW, I liked your "time slot roulette" comment. I wish I would've used that in my first post. Too funny.
PS, I now set the DVR at a two hour window so if NN is late starting, I can see all of it.
- June 23, 2008 at 5:46 PM
- Lou,Kingston,NY said...
Whew!, were the first 25 minutes fast paced or what. Take a breath. Lots of recap info on the race. Nice job.
- June 23, 2008 at 5:58 PM
- Anonymous said...
I was looking forward to seeing Johnny. Oh well. Maybe I won't watch the whole thing now.
- June 23, 2008 at 6:12 PM
- Newracefan said...
HD channel not broadcasting in PA as per Comcast so I missed the first 45 minutes. HUmmmmmm. Guess I'll DVR the SD from tonight in case it's not fixed hopefully it will be on time. Maybe I'll add a few extra shows too. What a bummer
- June 23, 2008 at 6:16 PM
- Tracy said...
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- June 23, 2008 at 7:23 PM
- Anonymous said...
I love TWIN. I look forward every week to TWIN. I find TWIN to be entertaining and fun while being informative.
NASCAR Now? I find it a little dry, too talky, and everyone seems like they are on their best behavior reporting news - it makes for a boring show.
But based on the comments here, I guess I don't know anything about racing.
- June 23, 2008 at 7:28 PM
- Tracy said...
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- June 23, 2008 at 7:35 PM
- Anonymous said...
Thanks for pointing out how wordy Allen Bestwick is, JD!
It's to the point where I can't even watch the Monday Nascar Now or the Nationwide prerace show anymore.
I swear AB thinks he invented racing.
I would have watched today to see JB but I guess it's just TWIN for me this week.
- June 23, 2008 at 8:35 PM
- TexasRaceLady said...
I enjoyed NN tonight. Randy and Mike were easy to listen to.
TWIN had me ROTFL. Mikey was on his game tonight. Chad was laughing so hard at times he couldn't talk.
But, the show was good. They previewed Loudon, and I wasn't at all dismayed that it came first because they made it interesting.
The review of Infineon was to the point. I really liked Chad's explanation of why Kyle was allowed to re-qualify.
It ws a good Monday night all around.
2 thumbs up. Well, maybe 1 1/2. hehehe
- June 23, 2008 at 10:15 PM
- SophiaZ123 said...
I caught part of TWIN and after reading your comments TRL, I have the reminder on to catch the midnight viewing...I channel surfed across and caught some laugh out loud moments with Mikey..and he and Chad are indeed the odd couple...so will catch the entire show later...and might even watch from the beginning...Yikes...I need some laughs so if this show has them, I is gonna watch them.
Thanks for the heads up TRL. :)
- June 23, 2008 at 11:09 PM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
Thanks for the good comments. Please keep them coming on this topic as folks catch the re-airs.
Two very different shows talking about exactly the same topics on two very different networks.
Interesting to see how folks like one or the other for exactly the reasons others dislike them.
In my column and my request for comments, I was just trying to point-out how different approaches to NASCAR TV could still be effective to the fans.
Thank you for the good comments.
- June 23, 2008 at 11:39 PM
- Anonymous said...
TWIN was awesome Monday night (other than the order of the show of course...)
I am loving Chad Knaus more and more. Too bad I could never root for a Hendrick car or I'd be pulling for the 48 every week for Chad.
He definitely has a future in NASCAR television if he ever decides to get off of the box.
- June 24, 2008 at 9:14 AM
- Lou,Kingston,NY said...
Good Morning JD,
Just watched the last half hour of TWIN. Once again Chad and Mike were on their game. Gotta love the answer Mike gave to the fuel guage question. It was so funny, I was laughing so hard. Yes, I did enjoy it. But, I also did enjoy NASCAR Now. The first half hour was fast and informative and did slow down in the last half hour as that was approiate for the topic being discussed to start the last half hour. And they only spent 10 minutes or so doing a preview of a race that I have yet to see.(and that is a good thing) To borrow a comment out of context from TRL "2 thumbs up. Well, maybe 1 1/2. hehehe". Miss you Kenny S.
- June 24, 2008 at 9:16 AM
- eaglesoars said...
Personally I'm reall fed up with most of SPEED'S programing other than actual race events. But even the events programing is being stuffed with wat to much ski type BS. I want the news and facts which IMHO NASCAR Now gives me. I can't stand thec stupid clown antics those bozo's on raceday and victory lane offer and I've quit tuning in all this year.
It's a shame for a guy that kept his TV tuned to SPEED 80% of the time 7 days a week before FOX bought it out, to only watching the actual race stuff now.
I just love how ESPN handles NASCAR Now, it is exactly the show we've needed since the bozo's on SPEED killed Krist Voda's show. I wish she'd go to ESPN.
- June 24, 2008 at 10:30 AM
- Anonymous said...
To eaglesoars comments - AMEN! When I watch Speed's shows (which I rarely do anymore), I feel like I am watching a junior high school classroom 10 minutes after the teacher has left the room. For those who enjoy that sort of presentation, I'm happy for you. I enjoy humor, but I left junior high school a long time ago and have no desire to return. I do not find such behavor amusing or entertaining among children or adults.
I only watch the Monday edition of Nascar Now, and I find it entertaining and informative. I enjoy the panel discussions headed by AB. My preference would be for fewer guest panelists in the rotation, but I understand that others feel differently. Ideally, I would like to see the same panel each week with a guest brought in to discuss specific events or issues. Geeze - sounds like the old format of Inside Winston Cup. I guess Speed never heard that old adage - IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!
- June 24, 2008 at 11:24 AM
- Anonymous said...
I do not find such behavor amusing or entertaining among children or adults.
Perhaps we could require drivers' firesuits to be worn with ties to make sure everyone knwos they are Serious About Their Jobs.
- June 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM
- Anonymous said...
Too bad I could never root for a Hendrick car or I'd be pulling for the 48 every week for Chad.
This may be the least logical comment ever written on this board.
Why didn't you just type, "I like the guy a lot, but I don't like his employer, so I can't support him."
It would make as much sense.
- June 24, 2008 at 12:24 PM
- Anonymous said...
I notice that sometimes Chad is taken totally aback by Mikey's sense of humor.
I think this suppports my conetion that Chad's driver has the spontenaiety and charisma of a cardboard cut-out, and that Chad has to do the show to be reminded of why racing is FUN.
- June 24, 2008 at 12:26 PM
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- June 24, 2008 at 3:14 PM
- SophiaZ123 said...
to Lou in Kingston.
Dittos to your comment and a thumb and a half comments as well.
Miss you KS !!
- June 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM
- D said...
I LOVED TWIN last night, they are now getting comfortable with each other. The humor doesn't seem forced like it did earlier in the season. My opinion is that you should watch the show you enjoy, don't watch the one you don't. If you happen to like both for different reasons...like I do...watch them both. It seems every week its the same comments in here... We know many of you don't like to smile or laugh. We know many of you don't like Michael, We know many of you only believe people wearing suits..... but there are those of us who enjoy smiling... even laughing and the bonus of getting information along with it...I too miss Shrader, but unfortuately we all have to adjust to change in our life..... even when its in something as trivial as our nascar programing.... :) So here's to enjoying the diversity in programing that can reach many different audiences... its not a competition even though the title of this very article implies that...
- June 24, 2008 at 6:52 PM
- Newracefan said...
Just finished watching Mondays NN due to Comcast technical difficulties. I enjoyed NN and Randy LaJoie is getting better each week and although JB was missed they didn't miss covering anything but the jB's trophy in the studio. TWIN was hysterical, Mikey trying to deny ever having bad behavior was priceless. I very much enjoy Chad's explainations (this is the perspective that is missing on NN)and yes he has a future in TV maybe when Larry Mac retires. I don't what him to get there too soon cause I like having him where he is. As for the comment that JJ must be cardboard-trust me you don't know him very well, he just is not as willing to let it fly as Mikey (let's face is who is). I like the idea that the 2 shows are very different AB carries NN as a News Report. TWIN is the fun of Nascar which is why I started watching in the first place. I am not the type who watches news 24/7 (my job gives me enough of a real life problem solving adventure every day) so TWIN is a must see for me.
- June 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM
- SophiaZ123 said...
I thought Mikey's denying he ever got mad soon but got mad, what was it INSTANTANEOUS (the night he wrecked Casey and then Mikey got parked!) was priceless as was the fuel gauge comment.
Heck, I found he and Chad so funny I may have to actually watch the show from the beginning next week without the blinds pulled !! :-)
I have enjoyed Schrader's 'reporting' on SPEED REPORT and hope he gets to do those more often, too.
- June 24, 2008 at 9:50 PM
- dannyboy7293 said...
'd' said it best:
"I LOVED TWIN last night, they are now getting comfortable with each other....My opinion is that you should watch the show you enjoy, don't watch the one you don't. If you happen to like both for different reasons...like I do...watch them both."
I like both shows for different reasons. And they both give fans different insights into what's going on behind the scenes.
This week's TWIN was even bearable in the reverse format because they had some good stuff about New Hampshire set up. Michael's observations are almost always on the money, even when he's goofing off.
And did anyone notice how generously he complimented Robbie Gordon's talents as a road racer? He's not someone you'd expect MW to be talking up.
Also: "Last time somebody pointed a finger at me like that, he was fixin' to slug me..."
The genuine fun that Chad and Steve are having with Michael is reminiscent of the old INC/IWC shows.
This week (on the West Coast) as opposed to the previous 2-3 weeks, ESPN actually scheduled NASCAR NOW to start after TWIN finished, the first such scheduling in a long time. I was able to watch both of my favorite shows. In previous weeks Arena Footbal ran long and delayed NN for a half hour once, and an hour plus another time.
Randy is a good panelist and I like him a lot, but he's better when there are three panelists, as when he used to appear on SPEEDVISION and SPEED. As much as Rusty annoys me at times, I'd have liked to see Randy bounce some stuff off of him. Mike M is growing on me, but I have to say that there are other journalists who might feed the chemistry a bit better. NN has a tendency to get a "drone" going sometimes.
A word about the pre-produced video pieces: FOX and ESPN are very good at the technicals but soft on the content. It's music video stuff. They seem to need to show everybody just how much they can do with their video editing suites or something. It's distracting rather than informative. And the music is almost always loud enough to mask any actual interesting spoken words.
Speaking of which, ESPN continues to produce better scanner chatter pieces, and last week I was really impressed with how much film they had of the principals involved actually speaking on the radio. Makes it a bit easier to follow when you can see them say it.
Thanks as always for the info JD.
- June 25, 2008 at 3:18 AM
- john said...
DalyPlanet has been dropped from Jayski the past two days ??????
- June 25, 2008 at 11:59 AM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
Jay only links the full length columns that I forward to him. Sometimes, we have an overlap of information and I do not need a link.
The columns will being this Friday with a New Hampshire preview. Thanks for noticing.
- June 25, 2008 at 1:30 PM


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1 pint vodka
1 pint light rum
1 pint gin
1 pint peach schnapps
2 bottles sweet and sour mix
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A three-week plan for Papi
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Monday, 26 July 2010
This Makes Me Sick
What. The. Fuck.
We are losing two HCA's. This leaves us with two HCA's in total on the duty roster. The other care assistants are all inexperienced apprentices and auxillaries. I know of 4 HCA's who want jobs on my ward. They have been turned away.
Management has taken the only room on the ward that we have for lunch breaks and handover and are turning it into a patient sideroom. This leaves us cramped into a very small space for handover.
The day staff had to sit on the floor while the night nurse who had been on duty for over 14 hours had to sit precariously on a wobbly ledge thing for the change of shift handover. It takes a half an hour at least to handover. Talk about uncomfortable. If we handover at the nurse's station patients will overhear us and report us for "breaching their privacy".
Breaks are impossible. The staff nurse really isn't in a position to leave the ward for a 15 minute walk to the canteen due to short staffing. She won't have another nurse to watch her patients. She will not be able to eat in the cramped handover room from hell unless she sits on the floor and wants to get interrupted every 2 seconds. That means the staff nurse's only option is to eat at the nurse's station thus inviting a whole bunch of smart ass comments from visitors and doctors who do not realise that she is only taking 10 minutes to eat in a 12 hour shift. Nor do they realise that she has no where to go to eat.
Then I come home from work and see this shit.
What the hell is going on?
54 comments:
I think you ought to start leaking to the press anonymously. Get a journalist from the local paper to start asking management questions. You might see improvements fast.
- 26 July 2010 at 11:29
- Nurse Anne said...
Oh it's been tried. Two retired Nurse's from my area went on a major news network about it all. As soon as they retired they when public and tried to shop the place.
No one cares.
- 26 July 2010 at 11:39
Typical Daily Fail.
Ill-educated idiots or "I nursed in the 1980's" people out of touch with the cold hard reality.
WAKE UP CALL it is different now. Patients are higher acuity. Nurses are fewer.
Patient dropping their BP tachycardic pyrexial...one RN on versus feeding.....erm....
- 26 July 2010 at 13:52
Found this on a blog the other day:
"The Daily Mail, a simmering cesspit where sympathy and civility go to die"
Sums up the newspaper really.
- 26 July 2010 at 14:56
Get the f*** out of there! You couldn't pay me enough to work under the conditions your describe. The top-heavy management has already proven that they do not respect you and are completely out of touch with reality. It will only continue to get worse.
- 26 July 2010 at 16:46
- Nurse Anne said...
The only way to work for another trust is to sell out and move. That is something we are working on.
- 26 July 2010 at 23:33
- Frustrated Fairy said...
I'm due to start my nursing training in September and I really am wondering if I'm doing the right thing already :S You all really need to take a stand, breaks are not optional, it surely can't go on, management need to take responsibility.
- 27 July 2010 at 02:54
- Dino-nurse said...
The only way things will change is if nurses get together, stop whinging and be proactive. We need a union that will stand with us, not against us. We need to follow the examples of the US and Oz and take industrial action. Prior to this we need to get a petition going that asks for a review of SAFE staffing levels. Its all very well saying that we need to be cost effective-however safe staffing levels would mean no pressure sores, falls, malnourished patients etc etc...problem is NO ONE WANTS TO PAY as its only old, vulnerable patients. We forget that we will all be old at some point. If I was admitted to ED or an admissions unit I would be terrified. Less staff on the wards means that more acutely ill patients deteriorate and end up on the ICU. Just today our CCOT staff (nurses and docs) have wanted to admit 4 patients from the hospital and we currently have- you guessed it- NO BEDS.
- 27 July 2010 at 04:47
- Nurse Anne said...
We did the petition thing.
Had thousands of signatures from across the UK.
Whitehall responded with some bullshit like "staffing levels are best managed at local trusts".
I am in favour of a walk out. So are my colleagues. I say this knowing it may kill a lot of people. It's not just the stuff I am whinging about on here. It is everything.
Last week when I came on duty the lone RN for 19 patients told me her patient died because he needed one to one monitoring. She had two such patients and had to choose which one to stay with pretty much sealing the death warrant for the other guy. Shje called for more staff and they sent her a 17 year old untrained auxillary who was sat on the nurse's station on her mobile. Not that a teenager would have been of any use anyway.
This has got to stop.
Strike strike strike. Walk out time.
- 27 July 2010 at 05:08
- Nurse Anne said...
Oh it's already started. There were 2 RN's both working this AM. No chance to leave the ward for a quick bite to eat so the one RN took a few bites out of a sandwich while she was looking up some bloods at the Nurse's Station. She was on a 14 hour shift and all she did was grab a few bites of a sandwich while she was working rather than endanger the patients by leaving the ward to take a proper break.
"You are very unprofessional to sit there eating....go to your break room!!!" booms a consultant as he walks by.
And the trust will still deduct her for 2 half an hour meal breaks that she will not take.
You couldn't make it up..
Can't wait to see how we get dicked by the GP's when they get to decide how much we are paid.
Imagine all the GP's out there that belive that have patients crying in their office about poor care....and who believe the "too posh to wash, to clever to care" bullshit.
They aren't all like Jobbing Doctor...
- 27 July 2010 at 05:42
- Dino-nurse said...
I foresee many RNs leaving the UK unless things drastically improve. Now that all our newly qualifieds will have degrees, they will be on level pegging with the US and the rest of the world. This is what makes me laugh...joe public thinks that all the little filipino nurses are here because they want to work in the UK...no, they are here because they want to work in the US and we are a good stepping stone whilst waiting for their work visas. Plus they are almost all degree-educated, so strike two. I stand by my predictions that given another decade of this, the only place you will find hands-on RNs will be ED and critical care. This will allow trusts to save a packet by having untrained staff on acute wards with minimal supervision...woe betide any RN who takes a sisters post on these wards as they will be hung out to dry.
- 27 July 2010 at 09:08
Ridiculous bullshit and Im tired of hearing that these people dont get fed 'cos nurses are lazy - trained nurses are v. rarely lazy people I find ....and nurses are all too willing to get their work done and provide excellent care - but its a simple matter of math - fewer nurses + high # of high acuity patients = lower standard of care - also I read they are going to be closing nursing homes - so those patients will be ending up onn acute wards. Brilliant...
- 27 July 2010 at 09:21
- Nurse Anne said...
Our ward sister is on her knees. They are asked to do the impossible. She puts in a 30 hour workweek at home on top of a 40 hour week working shifts as the lone RN with nothing but auxillaries to help.
Dino you are also right about the Philipino nurses.
They are all educated to the US degree-BSN standard. In comparing notes with a philipino colleague I learned that we even used the same textbooks at school. You know I did my training in the US.
And they are only here to improve their English to get to the United States.
Anonymous they are always on us about delayed discharges but there is not place to send these people to and you are right they are going to close nursing homes.
The public depicts the nurses as lazy when they don't get what they want. They want me to come right now to get their mother a commode...but I have to finish what I am doing on the computer---Mr. Jones is about to crash and I am ordering the drugs that the Registrar has just ordered for him. If I get the commode and then go back to the computer Mr. Jones is dead.
The public sees this as "lazy Nurse sat on facebook while granny was suffering"
As if we can even access facebook from the trust computers.
- 27 July 2010 at 09:56
- Nurse Anne said...
Goddamn daily mail has my IP address banned or something. Can anyone post there? I know it is a waste of time and energy trying to wake up all those stupid people who think that Nurses brought in the auxilliaries because they are "too posh to wash".
And the ones who think that University training pulled student nurses off the wards are even more stupid.
But it might be worth a try to post a link to this blog there or say-google militant medical nurse.
- 27 July 2010 at 09:58
I must NOT ALLOW myself to read any more of those stupid comments.....my head will EXPLODE!
Who are these bloody idiots?!?
- 27 July 2010 at 10:11
- Nurse Anne said...
The fifty plus crew along with a smattering of self centred shallow babyboomers.
Ohhh I am going to get slammed for saying that.
- 27 July 2010 at 10:16
Anne i've tried leaving your blog details on the Daily Fail site soooo many times...and they won't allow it. Why would they? The truth contradicts their sensationalist bullshit. It awful, I cannot believe that they spew this evil.
- 27 July 2010 at 10:38
I've left the MMN link again. Watch that space...it won't be published :(
- 27 July 2010 at 10:42
the year is 2110 and capgrass`s great great grandchildren are off to london on the methane gas train to visit the Nurse Anne`s museaum which is housed next to a great london hospital. (which has now been turned into an aquarium as hospitals dont exist anymore as they became too expensive...........its all done on line now.
they watch the realisitic wax-works and listen to the smells and sounds of a 2010 ward and then they move on to see a model of Dino nurse and this ancient looking antique called a Servo-i. and they refuse to enter the really scary section called "the long term wean" but they did agree to experience the feeling of being buried alive by paperwork. Afterwards their Father took them to a cafe to cheer them up and they all enjoyed a plate of chips.
- 27 July 2010 at 23:37
- Dino-nurse said...
Tee Hee. Lets hope they also included the x-rated room where you could enjoy the experience of being shafted by the government. Have just come back from a scary meeting where they are considering opening "weaning" beds on one of our acute medical wards. They want ICU to staff it initially...on a voluntary basis (bribed by a Band 6 supplement) and to train the permanent staff. The physios have already voiced their concerns...increased call-outs for them out-of-hours as the ward staff will not cope. I have added my concerns about the risks to patients and the increased load on ICU (we will not get additional staff during the start-up phase). Managers poo poo-ed this as they think it will save money by freeing up ICU beds. I have tried to point out that long term wean patients are often the trickiest and the ones that even with 1-to-1 nursing by expreienced nurses can still deteriorate rapidly. Our chief consultant left after half an hour saying it will be over his dead body. It will certainly be over someones dead body if it goes ahead. ICU has the luxury of experience plus gasmen on 24/7. Medical units will normally have an F1 or F2. I can hardly wait for the first panicked call as someone has plugged off. Cue me running along a corridor dragging hi-flow/CPAP/BiPAP/Drager (none of which will be available outside the ICU) whilst trying to fast bleep an ICU SpR to meet me.
- 28 July 2010 at 05:33
Oh Dear Me Anne!
You do have this 'thing' about 50+ nurses, don't you? How about roping in some thirty and forty year olds too? Very few are degree educated!
I would ask you to consider who lectured these bright new degree educated nurses? Us thick oldies!
C'mon gal! we all need to work together now! Stop this devisive action! Are you working for whatever government is in power? It appears to me that you are!
Lets all work to rule! Get off your high horse gal! Unite! Don't divide!
- 28 July 2010 at 07:15
- Nurse Anne said...
You have misunderstood what I am saying completely Uni Lecturer.
I hope you really aren't a uni lecturer because you don't sound that bright.
The fact is that Nurse's today (whether they are uni educated, old school, or whatever) are being attacked by former Nurse's who haven't stepped foot in a ward in over 25 years.
These retirees do no understand the current conditions that nurse's are working in and they are attacking us for things we cannot control.
And that is what I am talking about.
- 28 July 2010 at 09:50
I physically cannot read any more of those stupid comments on the Daily Mail link you have done!! Its is making me feel sick with rage - these idiots are so brainwashed and one track minded for nurse-bashing!
If there is one thing in this life that the Daily Mail has taught me it's -DO NOT BELIEVE ALL YOU READ IN THE PAPER!
People read this SHIT and believe it! Its disgusting! I have sent your website link twice Anne, along with a link to reputable evidence into WHY nursing care suffers - ie : Nurse Patient ratio's, burnout, underfunding etc etc. It balances the story excellently - in a manner these idiots need to learn.
Did they publish it??
Did they fuck. I am raging.
- 28 July 2010 at 10:16
I give up Anne!
You atack all who want to help! You have your own agenda... and I really don't know what it is!
Do you?
- 28 July 2010 at 10:18
dear Uni lecturer
please dont give up and leave the site. Wisdom and wit is EVERYTHING and i am looking forward to your posts.
love from Capgrass.
- 28 July 2010 at 12:19
So the management won and capgrass was sent to do an agency shift (£32 per hour on a sunday) on a medical ward: she was allocated 4 tracheotomy "weaning patients" and a 5th patient "self caring" who wanted to go home but needed Capgrass to organise TTOs, dressing, teach how to inject fragmin, OPA, Transport, and fill in menu for lunch. Ah ha thought Capgrass........how shall i cope? Well i know! i`ll cut corners! its the only way! of course i`ll check my suction is working ect but I am not going to hoist anyone out of bed. Forget the bristol stool chart; in fact I have put it in the box of chocolate 5th patient has given me. My F1 thinks it is a chocolate selection display. Forget my saving lives; if there is an I.v. cannula............good: so what if it is 10 days old. drugs? well i really havent got the time so i`ll just sign for them anyway but not give them. anyhow at least i have done all the obs! now: time to do an ABG.......great! the patients have arterial lines, not transduced but SO WHAT! so off Capgrass trots to ICU with a blood gas. meanwhile the trachy patient in bed 2 on Cpap becomes discontected. No one notices (its a whisper flow: no alarm system0 and Capgrass is busy ringing the door bell for ICU................. anyhow Dino isnt around cos she is visiting the donut of death (CT scanner) with an ICU patient. thus the disconection goes on and on and on, and meanwhile Capgrass has decided to go to the new Costa coffee house to get a latte as this shift looks likes its going to be busy....................as Dino wants to bring the CT patient to the medical ward to as her manager thinks it will save moneeeeeee
- 28 July 2010 at 12:31
- Dino-nurse said...
Oh how we laughed. Just as an aside, Uni lecturer- what are staffing levels like in your neck of the woods? Do RNs on acute wards have more than 6 patients each? More than 10? If its closer to the later, do you think that this is a safe environment for your students to be learning in? I have alot of involvement with our school of nursing and am always trying to get them to give me a straight answer on this one. Many of the students we see on the ICU tell stories of being on duty on general wards (medical and surgical) with 2 RNs and maybe 1 HCA for 28 elderly, acutely ill patients. As for the admissions units- it would terrify me to have responsibility for a student as well as all those patients. This is often where fairly junior students are dumped. The school can only threaten to remove the students but then, uh oh, where else to put them? So they do nothing. Student numbers have almost doubled in 6 years- bums on seats=cash. Having worked as a lecturer myself ( science not nursing) I know how difficult it is to teach labs with over 100 students crammed into space designed for 50. Difference being I was not sending these students out into an unsafe workplace as part of their "education". You seem to be missing the point somewhat- we are not "having a go" at non-degree educated nurses. I trained in the late 70s myself so do not have a nursing degree. Instead when I left nursing in the 90s I did a science degree (whilst bringing up my kids) and then went back to nursing after finding that I missed it and lecturing was not for me. The "nurses" that I have no respect for are the ones who are now senior managers but have NEVER set foot on a ward since the 90s. There are many of them. I wish that the NMC would rule that to keep your PIN you need to do some ward-based nursing every year. When I worked in the US many of the nursing managers HAD to keep their skills up as when the nurses worked to rule, they were the ones who had to come onto the floor and work. Medics have to stay clinically active so I think we should have to as well. Any thoughts?
- 29 July 2010 at 05:36
- Nurse Anne said...
What would I do without you Dino!!
- 29 July 2010 at 06:35
All the blogs I read about endemic failures within UK industy or the Public Sector, all have one common theme - fcuking useless mangement, and the further up you go, the more uselss the b'stards get.
I look forward 9sarcasm btw) to the cuts, as we know what will happen - umpteen layers of shiny arse management will be left alone, ditto the legions of support staff that the uselss box tickers seem to be able to get (no matter how tight the budget), whislt the coal face staff get the boot - all so the iron rice bowls of the bureaucracy are saved.
Ironically, they'l lthe nuse the declining performance to adgitate for higher budgets, whcih wil inevitably be spent predominantly on expanding their empires.
- 30 July 2010 at 05:46
- pj said...
Shit, your staffing levels are appalling - even in our shit hole of a hospital they're better than that - and that's still not enough.
"There have been complaints for years about nurses not bothering to help frail and elderly people eat their meals, often placing food out of their reach and throwing it away uneaten."
This sums it all up really - nursing staff are progressively being replaced by HCAs and yet the government and public fail to recognise the difference between trained nurses and teenagers fresh of the street.
To me HCAs are almost invisible because, except for a few notable exceptions, they can't be trusted (and are unwilling anyway) to take responsibility for anything so I can't even pass on messages to them or ask them questions about my patients, and they can't actually do anything on the ward that I might want done. Which means I'm constantly harrassing the nurses for stuff (even drugs I could give myself but I'm not allowed because I don't have a key to the drug cupboard).
- 1 August 2010 at 03:45
- Nurse Anne said...
"This sums it all up really - nursing staff are progressively being replaced by HCAs and yet the government and public fail to recognise the difference between trained nurses and teenagers fresh of the street"
Quote of the month. When it gets to the point that there are no Nurses at all on the wards and patients are dying because they are not getting drugs, getting overloaded with IVI's etc etc the public will still be saying that "the whole problem was when they put nurse training into higher education"
That's how dumb they are.
- 1 August 2010 at 04:18
- Dino-nurse said...
Anyone remember Labour coming into power along with the "THINGS WILL ONLY GET BETTER" anthem? Well, it didn't. Now the tories will complete thatchers legacy and privatise whats left. Its started already...we have a shiny new body scanner parked outside ED thats leased from a US company. Staffing levels are down (as always) but ICU used to be seen as an area that should be staffed properly...no longer the case. Yesterday we had 14 proper ICU patients (most ventilated and several on renal replacement and cardiac catheters) and 10 staff plus me...so already not an ICU. Still had to send 2 staff to the surgical unit as otherwise they would have to cancel ELECTIVE surgeries. Never mind that we will now be blamed for 2 breaches in ED as I refused to ship 2 patients out to our new halfway house (mixed experiemental "monitored" ward which means that all patients have monitors attached but staffing is still one nurse to 8 patients)the reason? They were long term trache weans and as I have said until I am blue in the face , these are the most dangerous group to skimp on. No doubt I will be held to account next week :0(
- 1 August 2010 at 04:26
- Nurse Anne said...
It's sick isn't it.
- 1 August 2010 at 04:30
PJ - you have hit the nail on the head as far as my trust goes.
As a newly qualified itching to start work as a staff nurse there are no band 5 jobs at my trust, so I am working bank as a HCA in the mean time to keep my foot in the door.
Assistant Practitioners (APs) are very much in vogue at my hospital. After all, they can do EVERYTHING a nurse does except administer medication. I have yet to fathom what they actually do that is beyond the remit of a HCA.
Don't get me wrong, some of the experienced HCAs are fantastic, but others are terrible.
And why can they never complete fluid charts? The poor RN subsequently gets bollocked by the medical team on the ward round because they have no information regarding patient's hydration. Crazy!
- 3 August 2010 at 06:55
- Nurse Anne said...
Well of the docs keep up their bollocking and screaming they will soon find the wards staffed with only auxillaries and the doctors will have to take off their own orders, give their own drugs, organise their patients on discharges, and monitor their own patients. Wait until they see how complicated all that is and how long it takes.
If the hospitals don't want RN's and the doctors just want to bollock us for stuff we cannot control why don't we just walk out and leave the auxilliaries and the juniors doctors to get on with it?
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Thursday, July 3, 2008
Evernham Involved In His Own Silly Season
It was the Monday after Loudon and the week before Daytona. The heart of the Sprint Cup season was here and ESPN brought-out their big guns for the Monday edition of NASCAR Now.
This one hour show that host Allen Bestwick refers to as "the roundtable" has become a weekly jewel for the network. On this Monday, Bestwick was seated alongside new ESPN analyst Dale Jarrett, veteran reporter Mike Massaro and part-time ESPN commentator Ray Evernham. The "A team" was in town.
Jarrett was refreshed after his vacation and did not miss a beat in contributing his views to the program. There is no doubt that Jarrett is the star of the NASCAR show for the network and on this program he was surrounded by exactly the right group.
Bestwick has cemented himself as the ESPN ironman and this program bears his personal signature. Each week he deals with a new mix of personalities that have included ESPN on-air talent, retired NASCAR drivers and current NASCAR personalities. This has been a challenge to which Bestwick has risen quite well.
One strong aspect of this program has been the addition of both live guests and contributions from the ESPN NASCAR reporters. On this show, Shannon Spake updated the Montoya vs. Busch situation in just the type of quick and concise report that works well.
It was Loudon winner Kurt Busch who appeared as the first guest and Bestwick did an outstanding job of covering all the bases with this surprise winner. Busch has matured and Bestwick let him talk about his day and how Penske Racing is grinding their way through this tough season. It was a good follow-up to the big news of the weekend.
We have been critical of NASCAR Now for not allowing all three panelists to ask questions of the guests this season. ESPN has been very nice in responding and informing us that due to the scheduling of the panelists on other ESPN media outlets they are sometimes not available when some liveshots are taped. Happy to get that issue cleared-up for this season.
As this show progressed, it was clear that this classic mix of a driver, crew chief and reporter worked very well in making the conversation flow. One good segment was Bestwick leading a discussion about the silly season and how it works for drivers who are now suddenly unemployed.
Jarrett and Evernham were the right duo to address this topic and Massaro was perfect to update the media aspect of the topic. Bestwick introduced the issue of agents in the sport and how the mechanics of contracts worked. Evernham stated that his company was negotiating with several drivers, but he had never talked to any of them. Agents were now a way of business in the sport.
That leads to a good question for next season where Evernham is concerned. Introduced at Daytona in February as a surprise new member of the ESPN NASCAR team, there is no doubt that Evernham and ESPN have a good relationship. Working with Jarrett, Evernham is a natural on TV and has very good technical knowledge.
As a current NASCAR owner, rumors have been around for a while that Evernham will step away from the ownership role and consider a full-time role in the media. Fans saw Dale Jarrett work part-time for the network last season and then step into a full-time role for 2008. Perhaps, this is the same process Evernham is going through as ESPN works him in a variety of commentary and analyst roles in the network's NASCAR coverage.
A slick and professional program like this Monday edition of NASCAR Now goes a long way toward perhaps pointing Evernham in the TV direction. In a way, ESPN is a perfect choice for him because of the large amount of NASCAR content that need to be generated for the various ESPN media outlets.
The Monday program features a retrospective of the races at Daytona. This single topic really showed-off the strength of the panel ESPN had assembled for this program. Multiple Daytona winners Jarrett and Evernham spoke from positions of experience, and Massaro and Bestwick added the media and historical perspective.
The bottom line for this episode of NASCAR Now was that there was a whole lot of NASCAR history on the set, and all four of these personalities are set to play key roles in the network's coverage of the sport down the stretch.
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42 comments:
- Lisa Hogan said...
The Monday night edition of Nascar Now is the only one that I make a point to try to catch.
I always enjoy Bestwick and Jarrett. I seldom enjoy Massaro or Evernham. Massaro seems to think he is the main attraction.
Have to disagree with you, JD. I don't consider this the A team. Two A's and two D's for me.
Poor Shannon Spake. Her second season and she still sounds like she is reading everytime she is on TV. No personality.
- June 30, 2008 at 7:51 PM
- Newracefan said...
Good show as usual, I enjoy DJ's insight. It's funny that Ray usually refers to his time with JG as a crew chief more than as a car owner but I'm ok with that. If I can't have Marty I'll take Mike. I still haven't figured out Shannon yet, I'm not that impressed with her pit reporter coverage she rushes and tells me nothing. Her reporter bits are informative but seem too stiff or something.
- June 30, 2008 at 8:38 PM
- Anonymous said...
Ray Evernham is not an honorable man and not someone I want to watch on any show. His affair with Erin Crocker negatively influenced the advancement of women in NASCAR. I sincerely hope he does not move into televison full time.
- June 30, 2008 at 8:41 PM
- Nan S said...
I can't watch this show when Evernham is on. He just makes my skin crawl. I guess ESPN is willing to lose viewers such as myself.
JD, you're probably right about him moving out of the race team since he only owns 20% and isn't involved in running the show anymore. I just wish he would take his money and smarmy vibe and go somewhere that doesn't make me have to even accidentally see him on my tv.
- June 30, 2008 at 9:05 PM
- Karen said...
Anon said...
Ray Evernham is not an honorable man and not someone I want to watch on any show. His affair with Erin Crocker negatively influenced the advancement of women in NASCAR.
Takes two to tango.
- June 30, 2008 at 9:20 PM
- Ritchie said...
I enjoyed this hour as usual. NASCAR Now may be the single most important hour of NASCAR related programming on the air today.
As for Ray Evernham, I'm not sure that he would have to give up ownership to continue his role at ESPN. We have seen Rusty grow into his role and the good Lord knows we have put up with a lot in terms of the Waltrips and all of their affiliations. There probably just needs to be some rules set up to control conflicts of interest.
I know there are a lot of people upset about Erin Crocker and Mr. Evernham, but honestly what do people want? A public apology during a prime-time race? Everybody is human and everybody makes mistakes. Just because his happens to be more public than the average person is no reason to destroy the man.
- June 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
I think that all depends on the perspective of the person watching the program. These public figures have to balance themselves professionally and personally.
Ray is well-spoken and wonderful where technical and managerial issues are concerned. The problem is the continuing perception of many fans that he violated a fundamental rule of both society and perhaps religion.
As I told the ESPN guys back in February, I believed that his biggest battle was going to be for personal rather than professional credibility with the NASCAR audience.
I will try to keep the remainder of the posts here limited to mostly TV-related issues, but it is clear that Evernham has some work remaining to do with the fans.
- June 30, 2008 at 10:38 PM
- missouriracefan said...
Mr. Daly,
The Ray Evernham/Erin Crocker affair is a TV-related issue. Character is what you display when no one is looking. Evernham showed a lack of character in his personal life and takes that lack of character with him to television. He and Crocker violated the rules of the workplace - that same place he comments about on television.
- June 30, 2008 at 11:20 PM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
As I mentioned in my commment, Ray has a group of fans with whom he has to build his personal credibility.
- June 30, 2008 at 11:33 PM
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- July 1, 2008 at 3:52 AM
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- July 1, 2008 at 3:59 AM
- Anonymous said...
Hey, let's lay off all the Ray bashing. Sure, in some folks eyes, he made a mistake, but he's not the first. The racin fraternity ain't no Sunday School class folks. Truth be known, there's been worse happen, we just haven't heard 'bout it..........
- July 1, 2008 at 7:17 AM
- Anonymous said...
Adultery is not a "mistake". Its a deliberate choice to do evil.
Adultery is bad enough, but a boss having an affair with a junior employee is even worse. It breaks the number one commandment of business management -- Thou Shalt Treat Thy Employees Equally According To Their Merits.
In one fell swoop Evernham destroyed his marriage, his family, and his company. And when Erin finally gives up and realizes that her racing career is toast she can still take everything Ray has in the sexual harassment lawsuit. The power any Nascar owner has over a driver's future makes it impossible for a woman to refuse without damaging her career.
Evernham has no credibility as a human being. A real man sacrifices for his family's benefit, not sacrifices his family for his personal pleasure.
Evernham has no credibility as a Nascar owner. A successful businessman keeps his hands off the hired help.
- July 1, 2008 at 7:48 AM
- Anonymous said...
It seems tge unfortunate byproduct of being a "fan friendly" sport is they hear all the dirty laundry. In 15 years of following the sport, I've heard divorce rumors about probably 60% of the drivers and crew chiefs. People say it's a traveling circus, I say it's more of a traveling middle school with money. That and a good portion of the people involved in the sport are playing king of the mountain.
I think a lot of the Ray bashing is carry over from the jealousy of his time at Hendrick. He was one of the first crew chiefs that got as much media play as drivers did in the mid 90's, and it seems has paid dearly for it. He's one of the few that actually got caught and made mainstream media. Adultery has been around since more than 2 people on Earth have existed. Unfortunately for Ray, he hired a driver who had no problem bringing out the dirty laundry and a girl who was a bit in over her head as far as her progression in the sport. So was Casey Atwood too, so maybe something could be said for their development in that everyone thought Evernham was the master developer of drivers.
Hell, the way some of you fans are, Tim Richmond would have never stood a chance. You take out Mayfield opening his mouth and no one would really know for sure what was going on and they'd be applauding Evernham as a pioneer for advancement of women in NASCAR. If memory serves, didn't Mayfield kind of as they say in the business "trade up" from his first win to his second?
Bottom line, I kinda get tired of the Evernham bashing based solely on his extracurriculars with a former driver. He's one of the few who actually got caught and got it splashed in court. No one derides Bill Elliott, Jeff Gordon, Jeremy Mayfield, Dale Earnhardt, Dale Jarrett, Matt Kenseth had a kid out of wedlock, or any of the other drivers who have divorced because they did not get tried through the media as Evernham did. hell, it seems some are already lining up Michael Waltrip for his time on the stake.
If anything, I think Evernham would set himself up for criticism mostly as a team owner, a champion of all things Dodge, and towing the NASCAR line on issues so as to not incur retribution.
I wish the Crocker issue would go away, but some people have long and yet selective memories.
- July 1, 2008 at 7:54 AM
- raejr said...
I think Jesus said it best. "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone."
- July 1, 2008 at 7:59 AM
- Anonymous said...
I thought that DJ and Evernham were outstanding last night. If you listened carefully to the discussions,there were two camps. The "Doers",Dj (driver) and Ray (Crew Chief/Modified Driver). Then we had the "Observers". AB and Massaro try to add perspective about something they've never done. Given a choice, I'd rather listen to the doers.
- July 1, 2008 at 8:13 AM
- Ritchie said...
I see how passionate many here are about Mr. Evernham's transgressions. I certainly don't want to get into a discussion as to whether what he did was worse than what other's on NASCAR related programming has done. However, before we brand him with a scarlett 'A' and banish him from the village, let's take a look at what we are giving up as race fans if we don't allow him on our TV.
Ray Evernham is considered one of the greatest, if not the greatest, crew chiefs of all times. If I am not mistaken, he has the most championships of any crew chief alive today. He has dealt with owning a Cup team during the last ten years, and dealt with the mega mergers that are now an integral part of racing today. He is familiar with (and has inside information about) Hendrick Motorsports, which is the most powerful team in racing today. He has also dealt with two manufacturers, Chevrolet and Dodge.
All of this on top of the fact that he is well spoken and intelligent.
I know many feel passionate about this, but I would ask those of you who are passionate to look at this as a business decision. For your money that you spend on cable TV every month, who else would be better and have more experience than Ray Evernham?
- July 1, 2008 at 8:35 AM
- Anonymous said...
OOOOOOOO, come on folks. It's only racin. We need the crew chief/owner view. Let Ray do his job.
- July 1, 2008 at 8:39 AM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
Michigan fan,
You are welcome to repost without the MW comment. Thanks.
- July 1, 2008 at 9:00 AM
- Anonymous said...
I think it is fair to use the Crocker affair as one aspect to study regarding Ray's character. If you know the man somewhat, the affair is not something that would be considered out of character. Unfortunately, th ereal victim is Crocker but she was an adult and knew very well what she was getting into.
Same as the reason he mentions his times with Gordon 10 times as often as his 8 years or so of ownership.
Both are attempts to hold on to his glory days. Those days are over Ray.
- July 1, 2008 at 10:28 AM
- Lisa Hogan said...
Evernham has a lot of non-fans who have no interest in his personal life.
I was a non-fan before he decided to have a mid-life crisis.
I have a horrible vision of the booth next season containing Reid, Jarrett, and Evernham.
I enjoy Petree in the booth so much that I would dislike his leaving.
If Reid and Evernham show up, it will be the radio for me. Not even for Jarrett could I stomach those two all season.
- July 1, 2008 at 10:53 AM
- Anonymous said...
Is there any way we can declare a moratorium on the Evernham deal? It seems everytime an article about Evernham's media performance is posted, invariably his personal life gets brought out.
Look guys and gals, public figures allow us to see what THEY want us to see. Unless you're on the inside or some bitter ex-driver spills the beans, we really do not know these people. Do you think Ken Schrader or Michael Waltrip are always happy go lucky like he appears on tv? Shoot, refer to Kyle Petty last year at Sonoma when he did the race coverage from the cockpit and said that really touching prayer on the pace lap, then race starts and he gets hit and drops an "F" bomb on live TV. It's an emotional game.
As for the person that said Crocker was the victim, well, do you really know that for sure? I mean if you've got assets why not use them? Is Danica Patrick or Milka Duno really a better driver than Sarah Fisher or in NASCAR parlance, was Shawna Robinson, Pattie Moise, or Chrissy Wallace now a better driver than say a Tammy Jo Kirk? We don't know, as the real name of the game now is marketability. Chrissy is a darn good driver, but she has a name and a better funded team than most. Danica and Milka obviously profit from their "assets" moreso than Sarah Fisher; Danica with the modeling, Milka with her Venezuelan backing (oil/Citgo) than Sarah who struggled to get a team together for Indy.
Sorry to rant and ramble, but I get really tired of the Evernham bashers who always touch on his personal life. They seldom if ever hammer on his commentary or opinions on the sport and where it has been and where it is going. This site is about media performance and critique of said media members.
- July 1, 2008 at 11:26 AM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
Anon 11:26AM,
I think some of your points are well taken, but Evernham unfortunately crossed a line that the others you mentioned did not.
What most of the posters have been saying, in their own unique ways, is that the two issues of age difference and employee/employer seem to be the hot buttons.
In a transient world like NASCAR, nothing is under strain more than relationships and we have all seen the result of that with many of our favorite personalities.
This year, Evernham has decided to make a move over to the TV side of the business. That is a lot different than just being an owner who sometimes gets interviewed. Even his former Race Wizard TV series was pre-produced and "packaged" for him.
While I have been surprised by some of the fans, there was no doubt that this issue was going to chase Evernham around because of the specifics involved.
Let's use this comment to end the personal discussions on this post and ask if anyone else has opinions about the Monday NASCAR Now program?
We might see this team on the set a whole lot more as the season continues, so your feedback on the show is welcome.
- July 1, 2008 at 11:34 AM
- Anonymous said...
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- July 1, 2008 at 11:36 AM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
MI fan,
Not going to work with the Mayfield comment. If you want to address the program, please do so.
- July 1, 2008 at 11:38 AM
- Anonymous said...
Here's the issue with the TV show and Evernham. If ESPN uses him they will have to accept the fact that they will lose some viewers. Why in this competitive media environment you would want to chase away viewers is beyond me?
As other people have posted, you do have other options during a race, such as radio and you also have the option to avoid commentary programming that contains an objectionable person.
- July 1, 2008 at 12:32 PM
- Anonymous said...
If Evernham is becoming the big "star" with ESPN's lineup, one has to wonder if Andy Petree's head will be the next to roll instead of Dr. Jerry Punch if ESPN's ratings don't pick up like Fox's did. I think Punch and Bestwick should swap roles. But ESPN is throwing Punch a bone for being so loyal after ESPN was left out of Cup racing in '01. But I read a lot of comments from people saying Punch is a nice enough guy, but kind of boring as the "play-by-play" man. I tend to agree. But it looks like Punch will get one more year and Petree will be gone before him.
- July 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM
- Anonymous said...
Sorry, JD. You did not mention both objections in your first message. Let me try again.
I like Ray Evernham's perspective as a crew chief and an owner. I also think he is better-spoken than most people that move from the sport to the broadcast set.
That doesn't mean that I approve of his private conduct, but it will not stop me from listening to his comments on the sport. He did not seek publicity for his private life. That was forced on him against his will by others.
If we are going to judge Ray Evernham by that standard, we better look into the personal conduct of other participants in the sport and media commentators. We won't have to look hard to find other examples of divorce where there may have been conduct that many find objectionable.
I understand that Evernham's conduct is deeply offensive to some because of serious, moral personal convictions. However, Evernham is hardly alone. You don't have to look far to find other examples in NASCAR and our own personal lives. I wonder if those who choose to shun Evernham would also shun a relative or long time friend who did something similar.
Michigan fan
So, JD, will this one survive?
- July 1, 2008 at 4:05 PM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
MI fan,
Nice job! That will be the last one on this topic, however.
- July 1, 2008 at 4:23 PM
- KoHoSo said...
Just a though based upon all of these comments regarding Ray Evernham...
I would think that ESPN would have already done at least a little research on how viewers react to him, especially considering the grief they went through from fans last year. Perhaps, perhaps, ESPN found that their desired demographic does not care about Ray's "sins" and that, maybe, maybe, those who did react negatively are the same people who are slowly leaving NASCAR anyway for various reasons (loss of tradition, the CoT, etc.).
The fact is that, when your main goal is to satisfy and attract a certain slice of the population, certain "transgressions" are less important to that demographic than others. Right or wrong, 18-35 or 18-49 year old males in general on a nationwide basis care less about adultery than other segments of the country. And, what your husband, brother, etc. might say to your face is different that what they really think because...well, we're guys and we're pigs, and most of us secretly root for other guys to get as much as they can whether it be money, fame, or women.
What I have said is in no way meant to put down anyone for their personal beliefs on what Evernham did and whether he should be given such a big platform. I don't care for what he did, but I admit that I would have given you a different answer as little as ten years ago. All I am trying to do here is inject some possible reality into this discussion and point out that probably, as far as ESPN is concerned, their targeted audience doesn't care and those who don't like it will either have to like it or lump it.
As always to the esteemed Mr. Daly, please feel free to correct me if my assumptions regarding ESPN are incorrect.
- July 1, 2008 at 4:35 PM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
I have been called a lot of things over the past sixteen months, but never "esteemed."
My friends at Daytona back in February were a little surprised when Evernham strolled in with the ESPN guys for the press conference.
As you may remember from my posts back then, I was shocked. Here is a current Cup owner and a person who does not track very well with the female fans (50% of the TV audience) and he is going to be on national TV.
Perhaps, this was a good opportunity for him to go through this type of reaction and then have fans just get used to him. I certainly do not think he was added to serve the younger demographic.
As NASCAR learned last season, the younger gang is not out there right now. They are involved in other sports and online gaming. It is the veteran fans who are keeping this sport on the map and that is why we like to keep tabs on what they are thinking about the TV folks.
As I hinted several times during this thread, it should be very interesting to see if Evernham steps-up to a fulltime ESPN job next season and leaves his minority ownership position.
By the way, the Monday show was pretty good.
- July 1, 2008 at 4:58 PM
- Richard in N.C. said...
I believe it is fair to say that Ray E. is knowledgeable and well-spoken and "famous" with a very large segment of NASCAR fans because of his accomplishmnets with Jeff Gordon. Many aspects of his affair with Erin C. were clearly wrong - but, whether I should or should not, I do not feel I know enough of the real facts to be in a position to really judge what all he did that was wrong, beside the employer-employee relationship. For instance, I do recall he had a very seriously ill child and I have no idea what that might have done to his marriage prior to Erin C. I'm not saying he was not wrong, but that all the relevant facts are not, and probably should not be, public.
It does seem to me that ESPN likes to stockpile experts. For instance, ESPN has so many NFL experts that they will not all fit on one set on Sunday morning.
I happen to enjoy Andy Petree more than Ray E. because Andy can often be more humorous than Ray, and still be informative. I would expect that ESPN is likely to keep both Andy P. and Ray E. since they are both knowledgeable and because of the amount of time ESPN needs to fill and Andy's connection and chemistry with DJ.
Since GEM appears to have turned a corner and it appears that Ray no longer needs to be involved in all the day-to-day details, I wonder whether he would really want to do TV full-time.
From Monday's NASCAR Now, I wonder whether Mike M. is being set up to be the fill-in for Allen B. when Allen B. inevitably takes some time off.
- July 1, 2008 at 6:36 PM
- Newracefan said...
Richard I had the same thought about Mike and AB. I guess time will tell.
While I don't approve of Ray's personal life choices (I have a friend who did someting similar and I told him to his face that I thought he should have cleaned up one mess before he started another, he knows how I felt at the time, we've both moved on and are still friends). I know even less about Ray's situation, I do see they are still together so it was something more than a work place fling so I am slightly more tolerant but actually it is none of my business and since I have made some poor choices of my own I'm not about to start throwing stones.
- July 1, 2008 at 6:53 PM
- Anonymous said...
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- July 1, 2008 at 7:23 PM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
Anon 7:23PM,
If you would like to return and repost without the b word, you are welcome.
- July 1, 2008 at 7:41 PM
- Dot said...
To Michigan Fan, ditto.
Let's make this about DJ for a minute. I am sure glad to see him back on TV, on NN and the races.
- July 1, 2008 at 9:54 PM
- Anonymous said...
I agree, DJ is very good and someone I look forward to seeing, unlike Evernham.
- July 1, 2008 at 10:28 PM
- Anonymous said...
I don't think it's anybody's business to judge Ray Evernham. He made a mistake - yes, it was a pretty bad one, but you can't sit there and list reasons to play God. It's not anybody's responsibility but God's to determine Ray's actions. If he asks for forgiveness, it's a person's duty as a Christian to forgive him and God will forgive him, too. You don't have to like him, but you can't be bitter and hold grudges against people either. Besides, it's not a person's actions that count, it's a person's heart.
- July 2, 2008 at 12:44 PM
- KoHoSo said...
Mr. Daly, just to be clear, I was not saying that ESPN added Evernham to appeal to a younger demographic, but instead that the younger demographic they desire (whether they're getting it or not) cares less about such personal transgressions than those of us who are older.
And, yes, you are "esteemed" as far as I'm concerned -- not only because you let a hosehead like me chime in whenever I want, but mainly because you have done so much and done it so well when it comes to filling in frustrated fans about the workings of sports television and deflating the fallacies that fans (myself included) believe are facts. I also hold you in esteem because I know full well that it's not easy to do something like your blog and try to "entertain" everybody several times a week with significant entries. And, for all of that, no matter what others say and even during those times I disagree with you, I think a lot of your readers would agree with me that you are indeed "esteemed" as well as highly appreciated.
You put my check in the mail already, right? :-D
- July 2, 2008 at 4:54 PM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
I used my last stamp to contact NASCAR. I will hook you up when I get back to the Post Office.
Thanks for the words, its always fun.
- July 2, 2008 at 5:17 PM
- Anonymous said...
Anonymous 12:45
Don't tell the rest of the world what can and cannot be judged by your standards. I judge people every day. I judge Bin Ladin and I judge O.J. Simpson.
You seem to be missing the point, that media viewers have the right to not watch a program using a person they feel is objectionable.
It is not my job to forgive Evernham for adultery and improper employer/employee relations.
It is silly to try and force people not to be guided by their own morals and to try and force your religious viewpoint on others.
I'm not telling you to not watch him, I'm saying I won't watch him, just like I don't watch any Woody Allen movies.
- July 2, 2008 at 6:44 PM
- Anonymous said...
My problem with Ray is that he never ASKED for any public or fan forgiveness, nor did Erin. To my knowledge, they acknowledged their relationship only once, when Ray announced to the media that Erin was no longer going to drive for him (shortly before EMS became GEM and Ray became minority owner).
They seemed to blame their bad reputations among some fans as either the media's fault (Ray, who specifically blamed the media for Erin losing sponsorships when announcing Erin's departure) or blame NASCAR (Erin, who this year blamed NASCAR for not supporting her and promoting her so she could get new sponsorships after losing her old one).
The self centeredness that surrounds Evernham (which I perceive, others may not)and Crocker is what makes me not watch him on the air (I skipped the Loudon race).
- July 2, 2008 at 7:27 PM