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At Autodesk, we know that feedback from you is what makes our products better. Not only do we want to hear your thoughts about what we've released and shipped so far, we also want your feedback on our plans.
While we've always tried to share our product roadmaps, it's not necessarily been easy information to come by. But times are changing, and we're excited to have the chance to try something new: we're sharing our product roadmaps with all of our customers, publicly.
Before we dive into the roadmaps, let's establish some ground rules:
To better explain the roadmap, for each discipline, we've grouped our plans by theme:
We use disciplines, themes, and colors to keep track of the roadmap details.
Delivered in Revit 2017.1 |
Planned (Some features are currently available for testing in Revit Preview) |
Next, let's dive into some of the exciting work happening in the Factory!
"What is Revit Core?" you may ask. Revit Core (often referred to as Platform) is the glue that holds Revit together. It includes technologies and features that are common across disciplines. It is the part of your everyday Revit experience that helps you get your job done.
When we imagine the future of Revit Core, we see a robust toolkit that doesn't get in your way. The tools you need are there. They do what you want. This leaves you time to focus on creating better designs - time to be an Architect or Engineer, not a software wrangler. We believe that this future is powered through a cloud-connected experience that enables efficient collaboration and massive computational power, and by software that understands you and what you need to get done.
With that in mind, let's explore some of the functionality that will help us get there.
One of our key goals is to help you be more effective. To boost your productivity, we strive to create increased efficiency of design that is proactive, captures design intent, and eliminates tedious workflows.
To begin, we want to capture design intent in the model. By embedding the logic that you previously had to reapply every time you made a change, we can help you spend more time designing and less time managing changes. Next, we want to help eliminate tedious, repetitive tasks. We do this by providing tools that automate your workflows and simplify painful multi-step processes. Further, we provide our partners with access to Revit data, so they can develop tools to help you get your work done.
The future of making things is a team sport, and we know a large part of your job involves working with other team members. That often requires sharing data between multiple products, across disciplines, with teams located around the world. We believe BIM's future lies in connecting project teams together by supporting integrated, accessible BIM data regardless of product.
At Autodesk, we spend a lot of time figuring out how to optimally connect teams and the products they use. It's a really challenging problem that's aggravated by file formats and geometric incompatibilities. We believe the solution to this problem lies in making Revit data more accessible to other products both through improved APIs and direct access to data.
Additionally, we understand the need to reference non-Revit data in your designs. We seek to provide connected workflows that incorporate data from other products in lightweight and project-centric ways.
A big part of our future for Revit is to create an experience that puts you, the customer, first instead of putting you in a position where you need to fight with the software. We are investing in creating a modern experience that understands who you are, makes the tools you need available when you need them, and allows you to focus on your model instead of dialog boxes.
We are focused on supporting the hardware that you already own, with multi-monitor support and support for high resolution monitors. We are also investing in how properties of elements are displayed and enabling better contextual access to tools for elements. Further, we are investigating ways to allow you to work better in 3D.
As we invest in new functionality to extend Revit Core, we cannot lose sight that we must build an infrastructure based on a continuous focus on our customers. It is therefore essential that we strengthen the core by maintaining an emphasis on creating high-quality solutions that address customer needs.
We are thrilled to add a few top Revit Ideas requests that address gaps in Revit Core to our roadmap. Thank you for sharing your feedback on the Idea Station. Please keep up your submissions, we are listening!
For this part of the roadmap, let's take a look at the features and functionality we are investigating for architects. The major focus here is to enable designers to fully model and document their buildings and leverage of the power of true Building Information Management. Our goal is to give architects the power and flexibility to design the way they want to design and remove software barriers to creativity.
We want allow architects to focus on the things they care about and at the same time, ensure that they are working in a collaborative way with all project stakeholders. For architects, connecting with others is about capturing design information and collaborating without having to redo work.
To start, we are looking at how to connect conceptual designers better into the Design development phase of projects. This is about allowing modelers to use their tool of choice and not lose information when it is brought into the BIM environment.
We also are looking at how architects can better collaborate and share design information with civil engineers and surveyors. We are striving to allow terrain to be accurately shared to ensure that both engineers and architects are working with the "same dirt".
In the Create theme for architects, we are working to better allow architects to capture and document their design intent by supporting high detail, complex modeling, and letting architects get started with their models fast.
Starting with stairs and railings to support multi-story stair towers, we are investing in making it easier to model larger buildings. We want to ensure that when changes are made to the height of the building stories in the project, the stairs and railings update in a truly BIM way. At the same time, designing stairs and railings can be difficult, so we are investing in small usability improvements to make it easier to get your modeling done.
Another aspect of creating that we are investigating is how to make modeling in Revit more immersive and allow you to design within the context of your project. We are focused on modeling in perspective views so you can better understand the impact of design decisions.
Optimizing a design is a key part of the iterative workflow that architects use throughout the course of a project. We believe that we can help you by providing better access to simulation and visualization tools so that you can better understand your design and work in a truly iterative way.
To start, in Revit 2017.1 we delivered an integrated experience with Autodesk Insight 360, making it much easier to utilize energy modeling to optimize your designs. Further, we are working on integrating the newest tool for immersive visualization from Autodesk, Autodesk Live.
Let's look at some of the things we are investigating for MEP customers of Revit, Plant 3D, P&ID, and our Fabrication products.
First, a brief introduction: The Systems Engineering group is made up of several teams that work together to streamline workflows across multiple technologies (the MEP functionality within Revit, AutoCAD P&ID, AutoCAD Plant 3D, CADmep, ESTmep, and CAMduct). By harnessing the power of the cloud, these interactions can become very transparent. So while you may be a Revit MEP, Plant 3D, or CAMduct user, behind the scenes you may be using technology from a mix of these products, along with other capabilities that many other teams are developing within Autodesk, like Collaboration for Revit and BIM 360 Docs.
These are modeling activities related to capturing the intent of your design or detailed model. They can be related to physical elements, like duct and pipe elements, or analytical data, such as energy settings and circuiting. The information created is used downstream and consumed by activities in the remaining themes.
We're continuing to refine the fabrication capabilities in Revit to improve its ability to produce construction ready models. Some of the work we have planned in the Connect and Extend themes will improve the processes by which that model is utilized for downstream activities.
We're also starting to re-focus on analytical data modeling. So far, our work has focused on improvements for circuit analysis and improvements related to the building energy model.
Optimization is the process of refining your model to create a more efficient system. This optimization can be related to the energy efficiency of the delivered solution, or efficiency in terms of construction processes.
Over the years, feedback has indicated that the larger the connected model, the slower the modeling interactions become. To address this, we're moving to a paradigm where process-intensive computations, such as flow and pressure drop, are computed in the background on additional processors, giving priority to modeling interactions.
We're also replacing the computation engine with a fluids solver, previously known as Dalton on Autodesk Labs. This solver provides simulation in addition to analytical capabilities. While we aren't making direct use of the simulation capabilities yet, we are leveraging the engine to provide more robust analysis. For example, we're refining the workflow to incorporate mechanical equipment to be more tailored to their purpose, such as pumps reporting their flow and head requirements, and pressure drop being computed through the entire pipe loop (instead of being divided between supply and return).
Project data is created using a variety of products, whether it is energy analysis using Insight 360, process diagrams like P&ID, physical model representations like Revit, or isometrics in Plant 3D. Connecting this data enables project participants to contribute their expertise and allows information to flow more easily, without having to import, export, or re-enter data created by other project stakeholders.
We're creating the foundation on which engineering data will be shared across project stakeholders. This will start to enable Revit, P&ID, Insight 360, and related workflows to share information and communicate more transparently. This isn't about providing new ways to import and export data. It is about eliminating manual tasks related to data translation. By connecting the project through cloud-connected experiences, schematics and models can be intelligently connected, information can be easily shared across stakeholders, and data can easily flow through the project lifecycle across a variety of products.
Various project stakeholders use the data authored and optimized during modeling for a variety of downstream tasks, like creating spools for pipe fabrication, outputting CAM data for sheet metal fabrication, creating reports for procurement of material, and tracking project elements. The Extend theme is all about leveraging the connections to the data created and optimized during the authoring phases of the project, and providing workflows to keep stakeholders apprised of information relevant to them.
One of the first areas we are focusing on is to extend the connected technologies to streamline workflows for generating piping isometrics from detailed fabrication piping models. Currently, it is possible to export a MAJ file from Revit, open that file in CADmep, write the result out to PCF, open that PCF in Plant 3D, and then generate DWGs that can be printed for the shop for pipe fabrication. Possible, but not practical. We plan to streamline this process and provide a workflow to generate isometrics utilizing Autodesk cloud services for document management. We're very early in this process, but the feedback has been positive.
This part of the roadmap is focused on structural workflows from Design to Fabrication, supporting the key construction methods for Steel, Reinforced Concrete, and Precast Concrete.
In this space, Revit is considered as a multi-material modeling and documentation authoring environment to capture both Design-intent and Fabrication execution as appropriate.
These are modeling and documentation investments related to capturing the intent of design and providing detailed instruction for further production and construction execution. The information created is used downstream and consumed by functionalities in the remaining themes. The purpose is to enhance Revit so that it can help in transitioning from traditional 2D CAD documentation tools to BIM-based modeling and documentation authoring. Our goal is to let designers and engineers provide accurate design intent models and give engineers and detailers the ability to develop models to a higher level of fidelity for fabrication and installation purposes. In a nutshell, our investments are focused on making modeling easy.
Optimization is the process of refining a model and making it aligned with several criteria related to quality and completeness, structural analysis, code design and constructability. Our investments in this area are centered around BIM-centric structural analysis and code checks, as well as structural contribution to the generative design and parameter-driven optimization of forms and model configurations. This includes a fabrication level of detail.
We are looking at ways to facilitate project-centric collaboration among structural stakeholders, from the conceptual phase through to detailed design and fabrication. When this focus is combined with the instant connectivity that cloud, social, and mobile technologies provide, successful hand-offs between stakeholders involve integrated model data. As part of the focus on collaboration, we seek to understand and support each stakeholder, recognizing their unique perspectives and concerns, their needs for differing levels of model fidelity, and their review approval processes. By improving structural workflows across products and by consolidating functionality around key platforms to provide a higher level of automation, we are working to streamline the overall process and support more effective collaboration among structural stakeholders.
Our main goal is to support the full project lifecycle, extending from the office to the shop and the field. That's why we're making investments that enable model information consumption for manufacturing and installation. This includes support for paperless design to construction processes, as well as working to make fabrication and installation instruction delivery tasks modern and automated. This will enable broader accessibility to information across the full project lifecycle.
There are a variety of other discussions and work related to connecting workflows from design through to fabrication and beyond. So, if you don't see something listed here, it doesn't mean that it isn't on our radar.
We'll post updates periodically, and your feedback helps! Let us know what you think. If there are specific areas of interest, you can submit requests through Revit Ideas - http://www.autodesk.com/RevitIdeas
If you would like to provide feedback on these capabilities, we would be happy to involve you in our beta program (Revit Preview). Reach out to email@example.com to join Revit Preview.
The Factory
This is exactly what Autodesk is doing on a global scale - forcing users to switch for competitive software (like ArchiCAD) by ignoring the feedback, being unresponsive and "fixing" hundreds of problems with their software forever. Although I have a very positive experience dealing with local Autodesk offices in Hong Kong and Shanghai, the overall customer service and software development policy of the company seems totally inappropriate. The local offices cannot do anything no matter how much they try if the whole company is one big mess buying off whoever competition they can without much of a plan or strategy.
Autodesk should look into ridiculous file sizes which prevent proper links to other software, collaboration, and smooth workflows. In additions, links or interoperability between same Autodesk products is missing especially between 3D Max and Civil 3D to Revit. We can't link or export them as parametric/smart objects.
@sasha.crotty It's great that the Revit team has published this roadmap.
As for the feedback from my company: we feel that the ideastation is a great tool. 90% of the time when a user asks me about a missing future I can answer them with: "this is on the first page of the wishlish so Autodesk is fully aware of the problem and it will hopefully be addressed soon."
The only problem: only 4 ideas on that first page are included in the current roadmap. That's way too little.
If you compare this with other Autodesk software (Inventor: 132 ideas implemented, 177 ideas accepted) the Revit roadmap seems - at least at first glance - a lot less responsive to direct customer feedback. I realize that a lot of the ideas on the first page are big ones that will require a lot of development time but it would be a great gesture to the community to start accepting more (perhaps smaller) ideas on the ideastation:
- snap between two points
- get rid of too small on screen
- combo box for parameters / parameter limits / parameter validation
- view references in text/tables
- filter schedule by family & type
- cut wall end at angle
- revit legend component sizing
- revit legend tagging
- change revisions on multiple sheets
- spot slope on ramps
- allow text in formulas
- duplicate view: include linework override
Obviously some of these may be more complicated to implement than it may seem for the end users but at least some of them should be doable? (Snap between two points??)
Also: it's hard to give feedback on the current roadmap because most topics are rather vaguely defined. "Modern properties palette" could be awesome or completely worthless... depending on what Autodesk means with "modern" :-)
Pieter I am afraid that your assumption that "Autodesk is fully aware of the problem and it will hopefully be addressed soon" is far too optimistic. I have personally a list of more than 130 problems in Revit, which is growing at a rate of several per month. Some of those issues I have reported to Autodesk for years in various ways, mostly with little effect. One bug with which I was especially persistent with was indeed fixed, but after 4 YEARS of fight! Hard to believe ? Yes, but true.
There is currently 1860 requests/bugs on Revit Ideas website. Assuming that only 50% of them make sense and the rest is rubbish (I actually think that many more make sense) we have 930. So if Autodesk keeps fixing bugs and addressing user's request at the current pace (23 per year - a rough calculation based on what's new in Revit 2017.1) then we will have a more less proper tool in 40 years. And this is assuming that no new bugs and requests appear, which is obviously unrealistic. Some of us may retire or die by this time...
So Autodesk should really get up to speed (employ more people doing stuff NOT selling stuff). One of the ways to help would be dividing bugs/requests into the following categories:
The above is only a rough plan, but at least it is some plan. Right now Autodesk seems not to work to any reasonable plan with IMPLEMENTING (not gathering) our request.
Comments are very welcomed and encouraged.
@pieter, Thanks for your feedback. You make a very good point and we are certainly always considering what else we can add to our roadmap to help our customers. As we mentioned above, this roadmap post doesn't cover 100% of what we are doing (especially the little things). A number of the ideas you reference in your comment are currently under review by our dev teams, so I hope some of them will make it into the Accepted status. Even if a great idea ends up in the Future Consideration status, I recommend that everyone continue to vote on it. This status typically means that an item is too large of us to add to our current roadmap, but ideas in this bucket are something we will regularly reconsider.
Regarding more detailed feedback - I suggest joining Revit Preview if you're not already a participant. There are a number of projects there gathering active feedback. Providing us feedback in Revit Preview also a great way to get invited to an Inside the Factory Online or Live event.
@sasha.crotty is Revit Preview going to be better than the "I can make it better" mailing list? I joined that sincerely hoping to make positive contributions to the software's development and in the end it was survey after survey about Autodesk's Marketing materials. Such a letdown.
@sasha.crotty I would love to join but haven't seen any opportunities for it. I have an account on the Autodesk Feedback platform but the only feedback opportunity is the "dwg sync for revit". Am I looking in the wrong place?
@ttourangeau_svn, Sorry to hear that that was your experience with the mailing list. Revit Preview provides under-NDA access to monthly Revit builds for testing. A number of Revit teams also use the forums to gather input on upcoming projects before any code is written. It's definitely an opportunity to work directly with the development teams to improve the product.
@pieter, you can request access to Revit Preview by e-mailing email@example.com
Revit on my Desktop.
I think it is important to voice my concern about any possibility that Revit could be only available in a cloud based environment in the future.
For me, the use of cloud based services is something to be reserved for small, discrete operations.
I insist on retaining all practical control of my own data. This is not a luddite mentality, rather a cautious approach in a sophisticated technologically oriented marketplace where pretty much anyone and everyone is susceptible to being hacked or otherwise having their data compromised by hacking or the sale of one company to another, which occurs regularly and where agreements and terms of service become redundant or irrelevant to a new owner, as an example of potential loss of control.
I agree cloud services can be helpful and in some cases are the only practical way forward now for some research projects, or heavy commercial rendering which is based in a marketing strategy.
I am not a large firm and I do not need cloud servers to run things for me or "facilitate" the growth of one part or more of whatever it is that I do and might want to change to.
For me, retaining Revit as a stand alone software program / application on my workstation, independent of the internet, is an expected and vital part of how I want to operate, and I feel strongly that this type of access should never be compromised.
I cannot see how this situation should ever become necessary to abandon in favour of having Revit only available in a cloud based environment.
it cannot be said to be due to updating a new patched version or a later change is able to be made more easily by the vendor, That kind of a claim is clearly nonsense as proven world wide for the past decade.
It is as easy to change and post a new version in a download situation relatively speaking, as it is to change a host environment, in a broad sense.
I would be deeply concerned if Revit was not able to reside on my workstation, as is currently the case.
For me as a customer, that reduces my amenity and access potential, and flexibility .
It would not maintain or increase it.
None of the fellow Revit users I ever spoke to was enthusiastic about Autodesk's ideas to force everything to the cloud. And most of them were seriously afraid of it. Most of the Revit serious power users I met during the Inside the Factory event in Shanghai this year were also very cautious to put it lightly.
There are several main reasons why:
Dear @sasha.crotty, could Autodesk please assure us that the cloud solutions will not be pushed any more at the expense of us - your faithful (so far) users?
Marcin Klocek
@marcin @sasha.crotty if "powered through a cloud-connected experience" means that Revit will be cloud-based, then there's no other way to say it... Autodesk is user-hostile.
You can call that hyperbole, but there are far, far, far more important endeavours that Autodesk should be undertaking in order to make the software more user-friendly and have it do the things users have been clamoring for. It's bad enough that Autodesk keeps on making/buying new software packages (Formit, anyone?) rather than edifying and enhancing Revit's tools... or they take the top-rated Ideas and say "sorry, too complicated - maybe some day tho". It would be exponentially worse if they were to take the already-frustrating software and make it cloud-based before fixing what's currently broken. The pricing structure changes were bad enough - now the software will be even less usable. It's the typical tech-industry echo chamber - they're all saying "Cloud! Everyone wants the cloud because we like it!" - while the rest of us are saying "We paid good money for this software and it's been in development for 20 years, why is so much still missing and broken?"
That being said, I really hope that everyone is just misinterpreting what Autodesk is saying. I really hope they will step in to clarify.
@ttourangeau_svn - you are spot on - "We paid good money for this software and it's been in development for 20 years, why is so much still missing and broken?". This is the users' message which the boss (or Product Owner as they call it) of Revit in Autodesk should read to himself every morning. Sometimes it almost seems like Autodesk is on a suicidal mission to do everything possible to scare existing and potential users off. Ignoring what we are literally begging them to do, not responding to inconvenient questions, making secrets out of everything and most importantly - failing or under performing in most what they put their hands on. Maybe there is some inside sabotage going on?
Steady on everyone. The point of this is not to harangue Autodesk into getting pet updates implemented, rumor mongering, and so on. Its simply to let us know the general outlook, just as reading a movie review in a newspaper doesn't give us the ability to change the script. The AREA boards (media and entertainment products) had a similar result in the past - any developers/managers who dropped in to keep users in the loop were basically shouted out of the room, resulting in years of non-participation that's only recently been reversed. If things are not kept constructive then they can very easily go back to where things were - no roadmap, no feedback, no nothing.
For starters, lets look at the "cloud connected experience" that was mentioned. For now this refers to analysis, rendering, and other features which can leverage massive computing power available in server farms. These can provide capabilities which are far beyond the ability of single-, small-, and even mid-sized companies which simply don't have the budget and manpower to maintain the necessary hardware/software. Could this mean moving to a SaaS (software as a service) for the actual program itself? It certainly does, at some point in the future. But not today. Or tomorrow. You won't wake up one day and find the program or your work gone.
Next, try to consider what the program *can* do. Some of you are probably a little young to remember using drafting boards. Or using AutoCAD with only a keyboard and no mouse (the lucky ones eventually got a tablet... ooohhh fancy! ). Even five years ago we didn't have the capabilities we have today. Who feels like going back that many releases? Yeah, kinda figured. So is it too much to ask for a little more patience and a little less useless venting?
My issue with the roadmap is this... It has a bunch of blocks with sometimes with fairly general titles, and offers the user a chance to click a block, which presumably should lead to further details. But instead we just get a zoomed in view of roadmap. What the hell is "double patterns", for example?
How can we vote for items just based on titles? Our interpretation of what these blocks mean could be very different than yours.
And.. as an electrical engineer I share the general feeling that the designers have no idea what we use the product for and what we care about, and that we are a minority group that isn't on the radar at all. There are exactly zero items listed under MEP that I give a rats **** about, except maybe tool for schematic level design that relate to the model.
I just don't the value in renewing my maintenance plan to be honest.
Unless you can put up a block "Low Hanging Fruit For Electrical Users" and work with us to define five or ten items for that list.
It seems to me that one of the issues with Autodesk's software development (and I have seen this in Revit, AutoCAD and 3DS Max) is that it takes too long to get back to a feature after it is released. I have often felt that a feature has been released "half-baked" and not really usable. But, by the time Autodesk revisit's it, I've found work arounds, or abandoned the idea. And many ideas that had real potential fail, and are never revisited.
Part of the problem is that the new features are seen by a limited user group before they are released. I know that Autodesk tries to address this - new ideas are presented to user groups in a variety of ways, but these are inherently small subsets of the user community. A dozen people in an NDA presentation at AU may give great feedback, the Gunslingers events (I'm blanking on their new name) give more. The Preview testing group is larger again, but in each of these, the feature is progressively more and more locked down, and the developers less able to change the way it functions. I've done a fair amount of Beta testing, for example, by which time the features are pretty much designed, and the feedback is all about usability: bugs and performance issues.
Another part of the problem is timeline - roadmaps like this one are discussing development time frames of years, not months. Somewhere in these responses, someone mentioned a turnaround time of 15 months. I don't think that's realistic. How long it really takes is probably confidential, but I'm sure it's way longer than that.
So what we have is a scenario where Autodesk conceives of a new idea, whether its from a user suggestion, or the brainchild of someone in house, and it's sketched out, and shown to a small group of people for feedback, then planned out, and shown to a slightly larger group, then developed and tested, and finally released to the public a few years later, at which point, tons of feedback on all the ways it might have been better starts coming in. A lot of that feedback is valid, and probably gets put back into the development process, but it's years, and several releases later by the time that feedback makes its way to the public release. From the outside, it seems like Autodesk releases a feature, and then waits to see if it catches on or not, and then, maybe, updates it.
What I would suggest is that for any new feature, plan for a second pass one release later. Think of it as planning for service pack 1, but in this case, it's about expanding usability, not correcting bugs. If the resources - all the designer and developer time required - is slotted in, in advance, to take 2 passes at each feature, perhaps you can take all that feedback from the millions of users who don't see the preview releases and act on it quickly.
Well, first, let me say that I am pleasantly surprised to find this list of exciting new functionality in the works for future Revit releases. I hope AutoDesk will do more of this type of outreach.
However, while I know this list is not exhaustive, I feel like there are so many things that are missing from this list. Read through the various forums across the internet and you'll find a plethora of work-arounds, minor annoyances, and major functionality gaps in the software that persist from year to year. It would be nice to know that AutoDesk actually listens to its user base. I know that several people in our office have posted suggestions over the years that seem to fall on deaf ears. Meanwhile, the number of useful improvements found in the annual new releases seem to be on a steady downward trajectory.
Don't get me wrong, Revit is a very useful and powerful tool. And I understand that new features and fixes take time and resources to develop and implement but, it would be nice to know that these things are being heard and to have some explanation as to how it would be prioritized for development.
I think the amount of money we collectively spend on these subscriptions demands more of this.
Thanks for reading.
I just noticed that a lot of additional ideas have been marked as "accepted" on the Revit Ideas platform. It is surprising however that the majority of the accepted ideas have very few votes (14 of the 27 accepted ideas have less then 25 votes, with a good portion of those only having barely any votes at all).
At the same time, only 7 out of 40 ideas with 100+ votes are accepted right now. Four of those are actually duplicates so that leaves us with only 5 out of 38 ideas with 100+ votes accepted. Also, please note that these top 40 ideas, with very few exceptions, apply to all disciplines and would thus be useful for the entire Revit user base.
Shouldn't the development resources be invested in ideas that get hundreds of votes rather than ideas with just a few votes? I'm not trying to be a negative nancy here, merely communicating honest feedback based on the current roadmap and the information provided to us through the ideas platform. I wonder whether that the factory ( @sasha.crotty) could comment on its current strategy?
I think @JanUsinger has it right. While more votes should make it more likely to be looked at by the developers, it isn't necessarily going to (or should) happen before others with fewer votes. There isn't/shouldn't be a direct correlation. As noted by Autodesk personnel not everything they are working on is on the Roadmap or in the public domain. If an Idea would be rendered irrelevant by or conflicts with one of those other tasks then any time spent would have been better spent on something else.
For example, if we collected all the "Revit for Mac" votes it would put it higher up than a number of others; that task would take a couple of years, and take away resources from things which I'm pretty sure most would want prioritized instead. A more extreme example, if I posted an Idea to make Revit free for all I'm sure that would top out on votes - but I'm also certain that it just wouldn't make it into the list (for obvious reasons).
I believe the core of many of the recent comments here is that many of us feel that Autodesk does not hear our wishes/concerns/problems. I further believe that the Road-map is A WAY for Autodesk to try and fix this perception. As with so many things, you can't please everyone. I find the Road-map a great step, and expect that things such as the Ideas Forums and knowledge network are other great avenues of communication. There is no single great option to make everyone happy, but at least they are trying.
All that being said, I believe more could be done. Perhaps Autodesk could have moderators responding to comments and giving what feedback, thanks, insight they can to comments and idea suggestions. I also believe that other related programs, most specifically Navisworks could use more attention and work from R&D. I file suggestion after suggestion, error after error on the program and I get no response of any sort and no progress to the program year over year. Having a road-map for that, heck even an Idea site for it would be major steps forward.
Think about that and then consider that Autodesk has started getting away from the annual push to release a new software with major (often not ready) updates in favor of publishing not one but TWO mid-year major updates thus far. I see these as bigger deals than patches and service packs which I don't believe include the large number of changes seen in 2017.1. Clearly they are working towards making the software better, and I appreciate that, but there is and will always be room for improvement.
@dgorsman Of course there are other issues to take into account, but the balance seems lost at this point. Again: only 5 of the 40 ideas most popular ideas are accepted while at the same half of the accepted ideas got barely any votes at all.
The idea platform allows us to collectively communicatie our priorities. It should affect the current roadmap more than just tangentially. We hope that it will be a major factor in deciding where to invest resources.
Also, if there's good reason why the factory chooses not to act on some of the ideas, we hope they will communicate about it so we can perhaps suggest alternatives etc. Communication is key.
Thanks all for the very interesting discussion! I think there is a lot of great insight in these comments. I really appreciate the patience, understanding, and willingness to find collaborative solutions expressed here. Please find follow ups on a few questions that hopefully shed some light onto our thinking.
First of all, let me say that figuring out the "right" investments is challenging. My job exists and is exciting because there are endless opportunities to improve Revit. It's a reflection of the great work that you are doing with the software. With a product the size of Revit, a lot of factors play a hand in which features are added to the roadmap. The most important, of course, is customer need. Revit Ideas is one direct way to gauge that, but it is not the only one. The Revit team is regularly meeting with customers in briefings, wishlist discussions (more on this later), team demos, one-on-ones, etc to make sure we are properly evaluating requests. Then there are other factors like difficulty, feasibility, team availability (teams have specialized code knowledge), company-wide goals, strategic alignment, project alignment (sometimes a team is already working in the right code), requests from other Autodesk teams and partners, and the ability to do the work in a generic way that benefits more than just the immediate request. Balancing all of these factors isn't formulaic. The roadmap is a reflection of the delicate balance between these factors. The roadmap is an open and honest way to inform you about which investments we are or aren't making and hopefully give a little insight to why we picked the projects we did.
On the subject of the roadmap, there was a question from @robert.glover about roadmap updates. We are not going to do an update for 2017.2, however we are starting to work on an update, so you'll see an update from us in the near-ish future. There are a few changes, so hopefully we'll be able to explain those changes for you guys. @laurasmagin, we can't mark things green until we actually make them available to customers, so at this point I do not believe there are any additional greens yet.
To extend @dgorsman's comments, we do pay more attention to the highest voted items. The Revit leadership regularly meets every two weeks to discuss items above 50 votes to determine if we can act on them. There are also reviews for lower-voted subsets (e.g. discipline-specific, API) which may not be able to get to the 50 vote cut-off. We also hold wishlist sessions as I mentioned earlier, where we discuss relative values of some of the top-voted items. One such session at AU took into account cost and customer value by assigning costs to the top voted issues and giving participants a limited spending amount. As you can see in the image below (more stickies = more votes), not all top-voted issues are created equal.
@robert.glover, @pieter, you stressed the importance of communication and we agree. When we change and issue's status to Archived, we try to provide a detailed answer for why. Sometimes it's customer feedback that this isn't the right feature to build, other times it's just not feasible, and sometimes the suggestions aren't aligned with where we want to take the product. Please feel free to ask us to clarify if needed. When we change the status to Future Consideration, the reason is actually pretty simple - the idea is a good one, it's just too big for us to take on in the short term. Things in the future consideration status will be regularly re-evaluated so please keep voting on them.
@sasha.crotty It's a great thing that we can directly interact with the Revit development team in this topic! Thank you for taking the time to give us some insight.
We (I'm speaking for my office here) definitely realize that some ideas may be more exhaustive to implement than others, that development resources are limited and that there's different ways Autodesk gathers feedback. However, we still feel that the ideas platform is the most democratic way of getting our priorities out there as attending AU etc just isn't feasible for most offices. As such, we hope that the priorities reflected on the idea platform really start to weigh in going forward.
It's great to read that we can interact with the development team on the ideas themselves. We will definitely use that opportunity going forward.
I would imagine that a lot of people on the idea platform are bim managers in one way or another. I have found that one can take away a lot of frustration with Revit if we as bim managers can explain to our users why a certain feature isn't there yet, why it takes a while to implement it etc .
For exapmple: a common frustration here is the lack of a "mid between 2 points snap". If I can explain to people why this is one is a difficult one to implement, I'm sure our users will be more understanding.
Again, thank for you for time. Looking forward to the coming updates of the roadmap.
The top item on the road map should be:
The inconstancy, the broken commands, the poorly implemented/useless features, the illogic, the countless errors that occur with very few ways to troubleshoot the reason, the constant workarounds to get standard construction drawings out of the software.
I consider myself a Revit power user. I can bend the programme to do almost everything. It is my job to implement our office standard and train new users. It is a nightmare and quite frankly I am sick of it. My standard answer to many "why" questions is "because Revit".
Try explaining to a new user the logic of having to use phased walls, windows and doors to achieve something as simple as a taggable window schedule because the obvious "legend" view does not work.
Like other posters I used to write down a list of all of the little things that needed to be fixed. But when you have been waiting for 10 years to have seemingly simple things resolved, things that would improve the usability of the software 10 fold, well I just decided to give up. It shows that you don't care about the usability of the software and hence the people who use it. It seems obvious that you just care about implementing shinny new things that you can market to unsuspecting fools who will obliviously pass the pain and suffering of your "gimmicks" down the line to their employees.
You have marketed this software as "the next big thing" the solution to all the problems that architects didn't even know they had, it will save time! Reduce errors! Everyone will be smiling in our new 3D world! The reality is you have made the process slower, harder to implement within a team, non-intuitive to the design process, and less enjoyable.
You even have the cheek to market it to officials and developers to get them to "require" "BIM" models that can only be produced with great cost and difficulty and are practically never used by the recipient because they don't have the expertise........
Autodesk I hate using your software. You are making a large aspect of architecture about as enjoyable as a kick in the face.
I can't wait to start my own firm, you will be nowhere near it.
Revit - So much potential, so little thought.
@BrendanLaurence as someone who moved from ArchiCAD to Revit, I can completely relate. I cry a little every day. I, too, will likely abandon Revit when I start my own practice.
I was just reading an article about suburban sprawl, and the analogy is uncanny - Autodesk's approach to software is suburban sprawl: keep adding more and more, don't focus on the connections between things or how well they work, just keep developing... onward + outward, new features, leave the old thing behind in favour of the shiny new thing. Software like ArchiCAD is more like a European town that just keeps evolving in place, getting better and better as time goes on because they know their market and they're fine-tuning the software for them. They deal with the problems because they are always staring them in the face.
Don't get me wrong, I admire the goal of being the best BIM platform for every single trade. But jeez, they can't even create a logical system for creating/managing drawings + sets or solve some of the basic issues that have needed solving for 10+ years.
I agree this e-mail we got is very bad news.
I find it extremely frustrating being penalized for having a perfectly reasonable software installation method, and I worry further, that this is just the early stage of cloud only, short term monthly/quarterly cloud only subscription distribution for Revit, at which point with respect to Sarah Crotty, all of the possibilities for development take on a new meaning for giving genuine attention to alternative software platforms.
Now don't you all go and tell me I am a hater and not in the spirit of this forum.
I have a legitimate concern that very much has to do with the very elements of this forum, in that when discussing the future of Revit development, licensing and overhead, is one of the most key aspects of continued and/or, further investment.
I am actually asking Sarah Crotty here, to be very clear about exactly why, Autodesk think it is OK to charge me a premium for wishing to retain the software on my workstation , paying an annual fee in the accepted manner for the past 20 or 30 years that works fine and is actually a cheap and easy way for the vendor to distribute the software via their server, being simply and readily able to upload a revised version ?
Further, to come out and declare whether the plan is to sell/license/distribute Revit other than as a standard single installation or network installation on a User system, to the point that Revit will only be available in the cloud, and paid for monthly or quarterly ?
I wish to retain my stand alone version on my workstation as my preferred method for use, and pay a reasonable fee on an annual basis.
I am very unhappy at having to pay a draconian levy to retain my existing method for use, which works perfectly for me the customer and User.
Will you please confirm this is the case, and if not, please clarify precisely, what the company is planning and how because I find the e-mail we got, to be somewhat ambiguous, and deeply disturbing.
It genuinely does give me cause for a lot of concern about the future .
Please advise here.
just had a thought, I wonder if subscription money is being spent on a "death clock" for a pay by the month software experience.
ie try and use the software 1 second past 30 days and bang - no work.
I will jump off the mouse wheel and stay at 2017. it works fine, external consultants are on same version or older , so till retirement I will play with what I have and maybe use more existing tools than I have previously.
be interested in other folks opinions on this pay by the month / cloud licensing issue.
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Black Mobil 1 in 3.6 Engine
I have an 08 CTS with the direct injection engine, purchased in May 08, has 4,000 miles on it.
Dash indicator shows 69 percent oil life remaining. Uses no oil. Oil pressure normal. Runs great. No unhappy engine noises. My first time using Mobil 1.
I changed the oil and filter at 3,000 miles then 76 percent oil life remaining, because the oil on the dipstick looked so black, and, indeed, was extremely black in the oil drain pan. Not just black. But BLACK BLACK!!! I didn't reset the "oil life remaining" indicator, but kept track of it on my own oil change record.
Put new Mobil 1 back in, used a Cadillac parts counter filter element, and now with 1,000 miles on the oil change, the oil on the dipstick shows that it is again very black.
Question: Is it normal for Mobil 1 to turn that black, that fast in other (direct or non-direct injection) engines?? Why is it turning black in this worrisome manner? Is it retaining its lubricity?? Is it okay to continue to run it? It couldn''t get any blacker.
Seems to me that it must be some combination of acid and blowby that is causing the blackness, but as I mention above, the engine performance is fine.
I am well aware of GM''s crankshaft revolution counting, oil acid/crapola dilution testing algorithms that are reflected in the "oil life remaining" readout. That aside, why is my oil turning so BLACK BLACK so QUICK QUICK???
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I had an 04 SRX V6 AWD for three years. I, like you used Mobil 1, but got frustrated with the oil turning BLACK so fast. I switched over to Quacker State two oil changes ago and the oil does not turn black as fast. I also add a quart of Lucus Oil Stabilizer ago with the fresh oil. No problems and I average 20K miles a year.
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I had my first oil change done by Cadillac for free, but my next one will be this weekend and I will be doing it. Ill let you know how the new oil gets over the next few days in my 3.6L
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Ok, I just changed the oil today. The old oil was BLACKKKKKKKKK as black can be. Ill check it over the next couple days and let you know.
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Go online and order an oil test kit from www.blackstone-labs.com . If you still have it, furnish them a sample of your yesterday's oil along with the name and weight of what it was. That's the ONLY way to tell what's now in the oil. Otherwise, run a month or so into the spring and send in a sample.
BLACK oil usually indicates a very rich fuel mixture. - 04-02-09 04:20 PM #6
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Thanks for the site, very cool! I may do this sometime or another just to see what they say.
As for my new oil, after just one day and about 15 miles on it, I can see it is slightly darker already. I will check it again in a few days.
Just FYI, my car is a 2007 CTS with ~12,500 miles. Runs excellently. - 04-03-09 08:01 AM #7
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if the oil is changing color, it means that its doing its job: oxidates. I had once a jetta tdi and god the oil was always more black than black and never had a single problem with the engine even after 200k miles on it and changing the oil at every 10-14k miles.
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03/03/09 at 09:38 AM
Good job kids, keep up the good work.
03/03/09 at 08:48 PM
How can the top two grads be named this early when their GPAs are so close?
03/03/09 at 08:52 PM
My understanding is because graduation happens just before finals week so there is no use in waiting. It helps to generate excitement.
Feel free to contact Dr. Truby for the exact reasoning though.
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Reporters were apparently allowed to hang out in the Braves Clubhouse yesterday while the boys cleaned out their lockers, and one AP reporter took the opportunity to talk to Bobby and JS about some plans for the future. Here are some of the quotes I found interesting...
Jeff Francoeur hurriedly cleaned out his locker at Turner Field, tossing some stuff into a cardboard box, the rest into a nearby trash can. The Braves outfielder was eager to put a wrap on another playoff-less season and get to the golf course.
Maybe he'll feel better after taking a few whacks at that other white ball.
The bullpen was better than expected, considering Mike Gonzalez was lost to season-ending elbow injury and closer Bob Wickman was released in late August after a stretch of blown saves.Hard-throwing Rafael Soriano (nine saves, 3.00 ERA) finished up as the closer and will likely keep that role in 2008.
"It would be nice to have depth," manager Bobby Cox said Monday. "You never get enough pitching. When you think you do, go out and get more."
Sounds like Chipper's not the only one who won't miss Andruw...
While Jones would like to stay with the only team he's ever played for, the Braves never talked contract during the season. The trade for Teixeira, who won't be eligible for free agency until after the 2008 season, likely doomed any hopes of Jones returning under the current budget."It's kind of bittersweet," Francoeur said. "Hopefully, it doesn't come to that. But if it does, that's part of the game."
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Otherwise, it's probably going to be a rather quiet offseason."We feel like we've got all that we need in this clubhouse," general manager John Schuerholz said.
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December 7, 2006
"The Florida Supreme Court tossed Seminole County Judge John Sloop off the bench..."
23 comments:
- JohnK said...
Thank you Ann for posting the absolute worst pop song ever. You know the Beach Boys "Sloop John B." would have worked just as well and been far less annoying.
- Revenant said...
Pardon me, but it has been scientifically proven that the worst pop song ever is, in fact, the Beach Boy's "Kokomo", not "Sloop John B".
- Ann Althouse said...
JohnK: "Sloop John B" isn't about hanging on.
- Hazy Dave said...
Ann, I was going to see if the judge's first name happened to be "John B." and discovered the link is broken. The "hang on" bit was an 'oh yeah' moment for me when the song started. (I also half expect to see a scan of the 45's label in posts like this and "Green Onions", etc.)
My favorite YouTube video of the moment is Viv Stanshall performing "11 Mustachioed Daughters" with his post-Bonzo group, "biG Grunt":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZHTkb6BUxU - 12/7/06, 2:02 PM
- JohnK said...
"Pardon me, but it has been scientifically proven that the worst pop song ever is, in fact, the Beach Boy's "Kokomo", not "Sloop John B"."
What is wrong with a song about a tropical beach in Indiana? Annoying yes, but not even near the league on Hang on Sloopy. That is just up in the stratosphere of bad. In a rarafied air that only it and maybe "Sugar Sugar" by the Archies and "We Built This City on Rock and Roll" by Starship inhabit. - 12/7/06, 2:25 PM
- JCJim said...
Good thing he wasn't a teacher with tenure, or he would still be hanging on
- Ann Althouse said...
I can't accept the judgment of anyone who thinks "Sugar Sugar" is bad! That is one of the best recordings ever made.
- Cedarford said...
"Hang on Sloopy" - annoying bubblegum. Sloop John B? Not even in the pantheon of the Beach Boys worst.
I give Kokomo a pass because it was the last song with the wonderful voice of Carl Wilson...he of "God Only Knows", "Good Vibrations" opening solo and "I Can Hear Music".
A wonderful voice excuses some amazingly insipid music. Just listen to someone else sing Elvis, Steisand's best songs to appreciate just how good their voices were to triumph over such bad music and terrible lyrics.
As for the actual judge...good riddance, you intemperate, power abusing idiot! - 12/7/06, 2:38 PM
- Too Many Jims said...
Not being an OSU Buckeye fan but living in Central Ohio, my vote for most annoying pop song ever.
- Eli Blake said...
What is wrong with a song about a tropical beach in Indiana?
I take it then, that you drive a big SUV that emits lots of CO2? - 12/7/06, 2:50 PM
- JohnK said...
"I can't accept the judgment of anyone who thinks "Sugar Sugar" is bad! That is one of the best recordings ever made."
OMG Ann, you can't be serious. Not too appeal to the gallery too much, but whenever there is a list of worst songs ever in music magazines "Sugar Sugar" always makes the top 5. I can think of commercial jingles that are less annoying. That has all the elements of a horrible pop song. It was made by studio musicians for a fictitious group for a television show and it is a sappy love song aimed at the 12 year old girl audience. Yeah, that pretty much covers what goes into to making a bad pop song. - 12/7/06, 2:58 PM
- Hazy Dave said...
Okay, the judge's name is apparently Sloop, John R.
I finally dragged myself away from all the Bonzo Dog Band videos on YouTube, but not before also finding a video of the Sensational Alex Harvey Band's wonderful performance of Jacque Brel's "Next". Recommended. - 12/7/06, 3:04 PM
- paul a'barge said...
And, they said that white people can't dance? - 12/7/06, 3:31 PM
- Wurly said...
Although its not about hanging on, Sloop John B. would be just as appropriate--given that its about someone taken away by the sloop who just wants to go home.
VW: rydhym (ride him) - 12/7/06, 3:36 PM
- Elizabeth said...
As a former 12-year-old girl, I ask, "So???" Sugar, Sugar was pure pop essence.
Sloop John B is a great tune, and the Beach Boys' take on it is possibly my favorite of anything they've done. I like the Kingston Trio's and the Weavers', too. I think there's a folk recording of some Bahamians performing it on the Lomax collection in the Smithsonian.
There's a nice version on a "various artists" album, "Out on the Rolling Sea: A tribute to Joseph Spence and the Pindar Family" that I love and play often. That whole album is worth a listen.
As for the judge? Throw him in the brig! - 12/7/06, 3:45 PM
- Badger Down Under said...
No, no, no. The worst pop song ever, by a wide margin is "Afternoon Delight," by the Starland Vocal Band. SVB beat out Boston in the 1976 Grammy's for the best new group, even though Boston's first album broke all sorts of records, and every track still gets radio play. For me, this was a Yankees Fire Casey Stengl moment, a realization -- I was 16 -- that these award shows had nothing to do with merit.
30 years later and I'm still pissed. - 12/7/06, 4:13 PM
- Eli Blake said...
You know, there are times when not having a sound card is a good thing.
- Cedarford said...
Badger down Under - It is a rite of adolescent passage to finally realize the music awards are rigged by industry insiders and frequently have little to do with merit.
As an aside, I believe that a new category should be "Greatest Generational One-Hit Wonder Award".
I was in Germany last fall at a Brewhaus - and Dexy's Midnight Runners "Come On, Eileen" came up and with a big Valkrie singing the high stuff - hundreds of people jumped in singing like it was the Horst Wessle song of the Good 'Ol Days.
I've been at parties where THAT song is the ONE that whips the crowd into sance and sone frenzy.
Yeah, "Thriller" sold more copies..and Dexy may have spawned the obscenity of Riverdance and other Celtic PBS singer-jigger-violinist specials..
So what!
"Tallure-iy-yeh!", I say. - 12/7/06, 4:43 PM
- Badger Down Under said...
Learn something everyday. My whole life I thought that song was by Queen.
- chickenlittle said...
OT, but that's a 17-year old Rick Derringer on guitar.
I don't know about you but I literally cut my copy of "Sugar Sugar" from a cereal box. - 12/7/06, 5:18 PM
1) I love "Sugar Sugar", always have, and offer no excuses for doing so.
2) "Hang on Sloopy" is OK by me. When I was a kid I thought it was about Charlie Brown's dog...
3) The worst pop song ever has to be Oh What a Night, but both "Come On Eileen" and "Afternoon Delight" are on my worst list also.
The judge deserved to go. What's that saying about the wheels of justice, grinding fine but slowly? Yeah. - 12/7/06, 5:54 PM
- Hazy Dave said...
1) Bubblegum music has a different function than Serious Music. It's Pop.
2) Ann, The link to the news story is still broken.
3) My son was accepted to UW-Madison today! - 12/7/06, 7:24 PM
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In foobar preferences under the tools section there is a page for sacd options with a way to change the pcm samplerate for both playback and conversion into tracks.
cool im looking now
So i can also split into tracks in one go ?
Found pcm sample rate settings , 44100 , 88200 , 176400 ,352800
I imagine the best DX100 supports there is 176400 option
Does this also impreove the kpbs ?
UGH still cant see where split tracks option is tho
Thanks mate
in conversion setup go to destination settings and there's an option saying convert each track to an individual file.
Thanks man
Your making my day LOL
im able to convert up to 176 ,but foobar will error on the 88 and 176 but
vlc will play them and report correctly as well . Winamp also plays them
Not sure why foobar wont play the files it converts lol
I ve had it set to split/generate as individuals ,that seems my only problem now
it wont split to individuals no matter what i do . Should i just pack that idea in ?
Will dx100 play these flacs/waves at 88 or 176 . im too lazy to try now and dx100
needs a charge any how .
How high can i go in conversion settings before its wasting time or damaging sound ?
Or how much can a sacd be converted to ?
Hey guys do you have any news to the iBasso Desktop DAC? 4*ES9018
I think it will be a little while. They have been very busy with the DX.
My error i should nt read w/out my specs it will split sorry
But other questions still stand
And cheers you made this a good nite mate
The DX100 supports AIFF, but I'm having trouble with cover arts, artist name and so on. My AIFF library comes from iTunes. It's not very important for me, but still, I hope in the next firmware it will work better. Make it easier when you look for a song.
Tried checking the tags with Mp3 tag?
I have a mac, tried to download an Mp3 tag version for mac someone made a while ago but it wasn't available any more. Just checked again now and I was able to download it. Will try it.
I make the tags with XLD when I rip my cd's, just hope I won't have to change my entire library...love XLD, don't want to change. Works without problem on ipod and mac.
You can check my mp3tag guide. Not sure if it can be applied entirely to your situation but if you are using mp3tag I'm sure a lot of it is applicable. This should allow you to batch tag and get it done a lot faster and get them squeaky clean. I am super anal about my tags in my library. Everything is neat.
This is quite strange. I'm on Windows 8 and I swear the music sounds better. More clear. This is even in bit for bit and I still am perceiving this difference... Also Windows 8 runs a lot faster than Windows 7. I kinda don't like the mac style and the missing Start menu but I added one myself so I'm good. Seems even lighter than XP at this point. It even installed super fast lol. Just finished installing most if not all my programs and tweaking the setting for my SSD. Made a system image so I'm quite cherry. If I end up messing up the install or get a virus I'll be up again in less than 10 minutes :).
OK guys, I just bought on SON&VIDEO my headphone ATH-W3000ANV Looking forward receiving it !
I was wondering if the iBasso DX100 will have a good synergy with the ATH-W3000 ? I know the DX100 is a very good DAP, but I read somewhere here that it does not pair very well with the ATH-W3000 ?!
Alternatively, I can wait for the Centrance Hifi-M8 DAC/AMP and use it with a SAMSUNG S3 (with special firmware to support 24/192 mHz).
Hi friend.
I have a S3.
Can you tell me whish is that special firmware?


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The dawn phenomenon, also called the dawn effect, is the term used to describe an abnormal early-morning increase in blood sugar (glucose) — usually between 2 and 8 a.m. — in people with diabetes.
Some researchers believe the natural overnight release of the so-called counter-regulatory hormones — including growth hormones, cortisol, glucagon and epinephrine — increases insulin resistance, causing blood sugar to rise. High morning blood sugar may also be caused by insufficient insulin the night before, insufficient medication dosages or carbohydrate snack consumption at bedtime.
If you have persistently elevated blood sugar in the morning, checking your blood sugar once during the night — around 2 or 3 a.m. — for several nights in a row will help you and your doctor determine if you have the dawn phenomenon or if there's another reason for an elevated morning blood sugar reading.
Your doctor may recommend a number of options to help you prevent or correct high blood sugar levels in the morning:
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DECT 6.0 Technology Engineered to work in 1.9GHz frequency, our DECT 6.0 phones wont conflict with common wireless devices such as 2.4GHz routers, wireless keyboards and mousse, microwave ovens and other household items. And because its digital, youll enjoy long range and clear sound while deterring eavesdropping.
Phonebook Transfer from Cell Phone via Bluetooth Transfer up to 600 names and numbers from your cell phone to the built-in directory via Bluetooth. Perfect for business people who constant add to their cell phone directory and need a simple way to get them on their office phone directory.
Bluetooth Headset Keep the conversation going and your hands free. Perfect for those times when youre talking, but need to walk around your office or home, open drawers, flip through files or write. Enjoy unprecedented freedom that you cant get from a speakerphone.
Silent Mode Now you can program each handset to ring or not at your discretion. For example, before you go to sleep, set the bedside handset to Silent Mode so that it wont ring for the duration of your slumber. In the mean time, the handset in another room is unaffected, and rings as usual.
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I keep my phone base in my home office and a handset in the living room. Why does the handset not visibly flash when there is a new message? I call overseas with a...Read complete review
I keep my phone base in my home office and a handset in the living room. Why does the handset not visibly flash when there is a new message? I call overseas with a calling card daily and need to enter 25 numbers in the directory which is a common these days (my old phone had 32 spaces) but the Panasonic directory stops at 24 and prevents me from finishing. I have to press a minimum of 4 keys just to access the directory. Its the most basic option so why not have a direct key? There's more anomolies. I think the frustrating thing is that all these annoying oversights could be easily solved. Panasonic seems more intent on pushing out endless models without paying attention to consistency.
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I've using Panasonic phones for my business for over 10yrs now. i upgraded to this phone and was little disappointed. the short cut bottom are nolonger avaliable. the down bottom used to let...Read complete review
I've using Panasonic phones for my business for over 10yrs now. i upgraded to this phone and was little disappointed. the short cut bottom are nolonger avaliable. the down bottom used to let you see recent calls is nolong there. i found that to be very important feature for me. now i have to play with menu bottom just to see who called. The bluetooth feature is a plus, however it's almost useless because headset has to be linked to the base unit. if i were to be 15ft away from the base unit, you can't hardly hear anything. i hope on next version if this phone ; bluetooth feature can be built in the handset instead of the base and please bring back the shortcut bottoms.
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By 2$Bill
from Sugar Land, Texas
Comments about Panasonic 2-Line DECT 6.0 Expandable Digital Cordless Phone With Answering System:
Most of the setup went smoothly. Still can't retrieve messages or change greeting. Maybe if the printed instructions were smaller or a lighter grey print. Then again maybe not. My eyes are NOT what they used to be. Plus side batteries seam to have good talk time. Good range in and around hose for talking. Separate ring tones for the two lines. Press talk answers either ringing line. Hold Hold is still a mystery. Speaker phone works very well.
(3 of 6 customers found this review helpful)
Confusing Phone
By Small Business Owner
from IL
are you kidding? 45 characters to review product
(1 of 1 customers found this review helpful)
Use with one cable line and one voip line
By J Perry
from Colorado
I'm pleased with the flexibility allowing us to use the phone with both our Comcast cable phone and a voip line. Adjustments in programing to one handset such as time or deleting a received number change all handsets on the system. I haven't used the BlueTooth feature as yet but will in the near future. The base unit is in a home office. We received spotty reception in a far corner of our house. That problem has been solved with a Panasonic Dect 6 Range Extender. I am in a relationship focused business. Panasonic phones don't exceed my expectations because I expect a lot. But I have relied on Panasonic phones for more than 20 years.
(11 of 11 customers found this review helpful)
Very Poor range
By Denbeau
from Peoria, IL, USA
I had 2.4 gh phomes befor that would work a half a block away. This one start to breakup within 50'. I might as well have a long cord.
(12 of 14 customers found this review helpful)
By Jack
from Orlando,FL
(8 of 8 customers found this review helpful)
Almost Great
By Baz
from Charlotte, NC
Generally speaking the system has done exactly what we wanted it to. Clarity and range are good. It is fairly straightforward to set up and use. The manual had to be referenced a few times (not meant as a criticism), but the necessary answers were in it. The system would have gotten a 5 with a few features. 1) Have a way for handsets to get more default settings from the base station. Most important would be for the base station to manage the phone book and distribute that to the handsets. 2) Base Station: Pushing the Line1/Line2 buttons will initiate a call on that line, but you cannot disconnet by pushing the same button. You have to push SpeakerPhone or the Bluetooth headset disconnect depending on which is currently active. There should be a consistent absolute way to disconnect, and the lighted Line1/Line2 buttons are the obvious choice. 3) Phone book works but needs a real speed dial, even if it was limited to 0 - 9. Pushing a number brings up the entry whose first letter corresponds. Of course there could be many entries, so then you have to scroll. It might take 5 or six key presses to a) access the phone book; b) select a starting letter; c) scroll etc. 4) Line Select. In Auto mode only Line 1 can be the default. Would be nice on a 2 line system to have Auto 1 and Auto 2 in addition to Line 1 and Line 2. That way the Base station or a handset could activate either line by default.
(10 of 12 customers found this review helpful)
Love this phone
By Joy
from Midwest
I have had a version of this phone for about 8 years and I love it. We run a few businesses from our home and the 2 line feature is a must. I use the speaker phone feature from the base almost exclusively and it is crystal clear and can then take the hand held away from the desk if I need to check on something for a customer. I highly recommend it!
so disappointed
By carlyk
from Undisclosed
After owning 2 Panasonic 2 line cordless phones that I loved, purchasing the 3rd came with little thought. BUT - this one is difficult to navigate. Caller ID is accessible after a series of button presses instead of just the up down arrow as in past phones. No indicator light on handset for new messages, ring tones are scary and loud...esp for an office setting. SO SORRY I BOUGHT THIS. I have to pay a restocking fee to send it back so I am stuck. Design team dropped the ball on this one.
Easy to use but...
By Alan
from Evanston, IL
About Me Value Oriented
On-off buttons are small and don't light up. This is a major oversight considering how intuitive the rest of the handset is
Not As Easy As Previous Model
By Robert
from Jersey City, NJ
Accessing the answering machine and caller I.D. from the handsets is complex and cumbersome. Previous model had 3 mailboxes...this one has only 1.
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DONETSK, Ukraine - Thirty pro-Russia insurgents and four government troops have been killed during operations to expunge anti-government forces around a key eastern city, Ukraine's interior minister reported Tuesday.
In the southwest, Kyiv authorities also attempted to reassert control over the key Black Sea region of Odesa by appointing a new governor there.
Interior Minister Arsen Avakov gave the death toll on his Facebook page Tuesday, adding that 20 government troops were also injured during fighting in Slovyansk, a city of 125,000. It was not exactly clear when the deaths took place. Gunbattles around the city Monday were the interim government's most ambitious effort to date to quell weeks of unrest in Ukraine's mainly Russian-speaking east.
Avakov said Monday about 800 pro-Russia forces in and around Slovyansk were deploying large-calibre weapons and mortars and there were injured on both sides.
By Tuesday morning, Ukrainian forces had taken hold of a key checkpoint north of the city, dealing a blow to insurgent lines of communication. The checkpoint had come under repeated attack since the government offensive began.
In Donetsk, a major city 120 kilometres (75 miles) south of Slovyansk, international flights were suspended Tuesday. The Donetsk airport said the cancellations followed a government order.
Ukraine is facing its worst crisis in decades as the polarized nation of 46 million tries to decide whether to look toward Europe, as its western regions want to do, or improve ties with Russia, which is favoured by the country's many Russian-speakers i2n the east. Dozens of government offices and police stations in eastern Ukraine have been seized by armed insurgents and anti-government crowds over the past several weeks.
The central government attempted to re-establish control Tuesday over the predominantly Russian-speaking region of Odesa, where 46 people died Friday after a pro-Ukraine march led to shootings and fighting between the two sides. In the melee, a building fire broke out, killing many.
In a statement published on the president's website, the Kyiv authorities announced they were firing the acting governor and replacing him with member of parliament Ihor Palytsya. On Saturday, Odesa's police chief was fired.
The concern that Odesa could be the next region to fall to pro-Russian forces — particularly after 67 people detained in Friday's rioting were released by the police under pressure from an angry crowd — has sparked concern in Kyiv. The government sent an elite national guard force to Odesa, where it could be seen Monday patrolling the streets.
The goals of the pro-Russian insurgency are ostensibly broader powers of autonomy for the region, but some insurgents do favour separatism or even joining Russia.
Leaders of the anti-government movement say they plan to hold a referendum on autonomy for eastern regions on May 11, although no visible preparations for the vote have yet been seen.
The Russian Foreign Ministry has put the blame for the unrest squarely on the interim government in Kyiv, which it says "stubbornly continues to wage war against the people of its own country." The ministry has urged what it called the "Kyiv organizers of the terror" to pull back their troops from the east and hold peaceful negotiations to resolve the crisis.
Ukraine authorities blame Moscow for fomenting the unrest in the east, saying it's an attempt to derail Ukraine's May 25 presidential election. Ukraine's former president fled to Russia in February after months of protests against his government.
Yuras Karmanau contributed reporting from Odesa, Ukraine.


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Oct 12, 2013I kept jumping out of my seat in just one episode. This show is like Desperate housewives meets Charmed which is in fact the perfect combination there is. It had it's viewers screaming OMG at least twice in just the premiere. Lifetime's new fall show gives promise and gives us hope for a very twisted season finale! i'm already hungry for more.
Oct 11, 2013i really liked the pilot and the series seems good, it reminds me 'Charmed' hahaha i don't know the house looks exactly the same one lol either hope we'll get more of this.
Oct 8, 2013I was completely impressed by the Pilot of Witches of East End. It had everything you needed to keep you hooked on the show. The characters were each intriguing and well-casted as every storyline was juicy and I will definitely be watching it every week. Check out the show if you haven't already, it's seriously recommended.
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Oct 17, 2013This show is not perfect but at least it is very, very entertaining. It embodies many elements in a series in a good-hearted way. Just so people know, this is based on novels. This is actually a good adaptation!
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Nov 1, 2013Amazing show, love it. I am hooked already. I simply love the characters, I love that it's an ongoing storyline (which is super interesting by the way) I love that it's funny, etc. The best show in a long while. I cannot wait to see the next episodes. THANKS to LIFETIME TV for bringing us this awesome show. I am glad I added Lifetime TV to my list of channels this year it's definetely worth it!!
Nov 6, 2013Just watched the first episode of the first season absolutely fantastic. Fabulous story can't wait to see the next episode and the rest of the season.
Nov 9, 2013Great show! My wife and I both enjoy this very much. Feels a bit like "Charmed" as we watch it... same type of feel to the show but with a slightly more 'grown up' storyline and dialogue.
Nov 12, 2013The acting is top notch and the show always keeps you on the edge of your seat. I love it so much and the characters are all so unique and have a great story.
Dec 2, 2013This is my new Desperate Housewives!!! Absolutely love this show.. Not ready for the finale. It always leaves me wanting more!!! I absolutely love Wendy.
Dec 16, 2013Now that this season is over with I can accurately say I loved it all. Witches of East End is a must see show. I am intrigued as to what will be happening with season 2.
Mar 15, 2014I absolutely love this series ! I am not that much into supernatural stuff, but this captured my attention. I love the plot, the actors and the visual effects are stunning. I recommend this so much. It is great.
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Feb 19, 2014fun,entertaining and funny. you never know what is going to pop up next. The acting is good, and the characters are all unique in their own way, The element of magic used for good and evil, keeps you looking forward to the next show. Not heavy just pure entertainment.
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Dec 25, 2016I love!!!!!
I like very much it Witches of east end.
Please ... I am hooked already
Nós brasileiros aguardamos as próximas temporadas!!!amamos as bruxas de east end.
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No amount of magic could elevate the amateurish acting and shoddy, choppy, derivative writing. Whatever the opposite of spellbinding is, that's this show.
The clichés are too silly and obvious.
Witches of East End is the campiest hot mess on TV.


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Azelaic Acid Iontophoresis Versus Topical Azelaic Acid Cream in the Treatment of Melasma (AAI)
Recruitment status was: Recruiting
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Condition | Intervention | Phase |
Melasma |
Other: Iontophoresis Other: Azelaic acid cream |
Phase 2 Phase 3 |
Study Type: | Interventional |
Study Design: | Allocation: Randomized Intervention Model: Parallel Assignment Masking: Single Blind (Investigator) Primary Purpose: Treatment |
Official Title: | Azelaic Acid Iontophoresis Versus Topical Azelaic Acid Cream in the Treatment of Melasma - An Open Randomized, Controlled, Prospective, Single Blinded Clinical Trial |
- Change in colorimetric measurement of skin colour and MASI-Score after 12 weeks of treatment [ Time Frame: 3 month ]
- Physician Global Assessment, Patient Global Assessment, Overall Response Assessment [ Time Frame: 3 month ]
Estimated Enrollment: | 70 |
Study Start Date: | January 2009 |
Estimated Primary Completion Date: | December 2010 (Final data collection date for primary outcome measure) |
Arms | Assigned Interventions |
Experimental: Azelaic Acid Iontophoresis |
Other: Iontophoresis
iontophoresis with 15% azelaic acid gel twice weekly
Active Comparator: Azelaic acid topical |
Other: Azelaic acid cream
topical treatment with 20% azelaic acid cream twice daily
Detailed Description:
Patients will be randomized and allocated in concealed manner to one of the two treatment arms: AAI or topical azelaic acid cream.
Azelaic acid iontophoresis treatment schedule:
Patients randomized to the AAI group will receive iontophoresis with 15% azelaic acid twice weekly over a period of 12 weeks.
Azelaic acid topical treatment schedule:
Patients randomized to the topical treatment group will receive topical treatment with 20% azelaic acid cream twice daily over a period of 12 weeks.
Besides emollients no additional specific treatments will be allowed during the study.
The use of broad spectrum (UVA+UVB) sunscreen is recommended over the entire study period (9 month).
Follow-up period:
After completion of the active study period (3 month in both treatment groups), maintenance and efficacy of both treatment schedules will be followed up quarterly over 6 month
Ages Eligible for Study: | 18 Years and older (Adult, Senior) |
Sexes Eligible for Study: | Female |
Accepts Healthy Volunteers: | No |
Inclusion Criteria:
- Woman
- MASI - Score over 6
- Age: over 18 years
- Skin Type: III, IV, V
Exclusion Criteria:
- Skin Type: I, II, VI
- Pregnant or lactating women
- Local therapy of intent-to-treat area within the last 6 month
- Patient with a pacemaker or metal implant
- Epileptic
- Mental incompetence to understand the protocol
- Known allergic reactions to one of used substances
- Serious encroachment on physical condition
Please refer to this study by its ClinicalTrials.gov identifier: NCT00848458
Contact: Oliver Schanab, MD | 004340400 ext 5441 | firstname.lastname@example.com |
Austria | |
Medical University Vienna / Depatment of Dermatology | Recruiting |
Vienna, Austria, 1180 | |
Contact: Oliver Schanab, MD 004340400 ext 5441 email@example.com | |
Principal Investigator: JB Schmidt, MD | |
Sub-Investigator: Oliver Schanab, MD | |
Sub-Investigator: Anna Pinkowicz, MD |
Principal Investigator: | JB Schmidt, MD | MUV |
Study Director: | Oliver Schanab, MD | MUV |
Responsible Party: | Schmidt.JB.MD, Department of Dermatology / MUV |
ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier: | NCT00848458 History of Changes |
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AAI Eudra-CT Number:2008-003792-52 |
Study First Received: | February 19, 2009 |
Last Updated: | July 14, 2010 |
Keywords provided by Medical University of Vienna:
Azelaic Acid Iontophoresis |
Additional relevant MeSH terms:
Melanosis Hyperpigmentation Pigmentation Disorders Skin Diseases |
Azelaic acid Antineoplastic Agents Dermatologic Agents |
ClinicalTrials.gov processed this record on March 29, 2017