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Talk:Ajax (programming)/Archive 2
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- 1 Request for external link addition
- 2 History
- 3 Lack of development tools? Also: Hummingbird and Desktop.com links
- 4 AjaxPatterns.org Reference
- 5 Lists of browsers
- 6 Multiple links
- 7 Back Button Support
- 8 IBM Developerworks link
- 9 History (2)
- 10 Semiprotection 2 - the return of semiprotection?
- 11 Clean seperation between application logic and user interface
- 12 Googling ?
- 13 Not an Acronym?
- 14 Double Buffering
- 15 Disadvantages
- 16 AjaxProjects
- 18 Infobox
Request for external link addition
- I would like to make a formal request to add http://www.celtickane.com/programming/code/ajax.php to the external links section of this page. It is my own website, so I wouldn't like to add it myself, but I would prefer that someone else review the website, and make the decision to add it. Feather Ajax is a 1KB Ajax library intended to teach users how to program a small (but extremely effective) ajax library using Javascript and any server-side script they prefer (the examples are written in PHP). --Sugarskane 04:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
The article states that the term AJAX was coined in 2005 - is there a reference for this somewhere? -Andreas
- The first known use of the term in public was by Jesse James Garrett in his February 2005 article Ajax: A New Approach to Web Applications. http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php --Sleepyhead 13:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I updated the data today include that the term was thought of when Jesse James Garrett was in the shower. Additionally, Jesse thought of the term while consulting for a large financial services firm. Jesses was trying to present how Ajax could improve the financial services firm's web application. The term Ajax was officially first published in an internal presentation to that financial services firm on February 11, 2005. Post that presentation Jesse wrote his article that officially termed Asynchronous Java XML: Ajax --Jacecole 22:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Lack of development tools? Also: Hummingbird and Desktop.com links
I'm not sure the "Lack of development tools" critisism holds true - while it's true that there are no specific Ajax development tools (unless you count the various frameworks) that's largely because AJAX is a composite of several different server and clientside technologies, all of which do have development tools.
- OK, maybe I should have worded it more precisely... There are development tools that allow one to develop Ajax applictions. Some of them even help a little in the process. Then there are frameworks and/or librares that make specific tasks easier. However, there are no full-encompassing IDEs comparable to those for desktop applications.
- I am not a VB fan, but let's use it as a well-known example. Developer starts it up, drags and drops UI components, ties handlers to events, writes some code and voila - there you have an app. Although this is theoretically possible even for RIA/Ajax apps (Hummingbird has entertained the idea but that is a whole different story), there is nothing even remotely comparable to what VB IDE offers. Arguably, the ease of development of VB apps in VB IDE is the spark that started the explosion of many (Windows) desktop applications - it became easy to write them. We can argue that most of them are of arguable quality, but the same idea exists in other IDEs as well. We have yet to see that for RIA/Ajax.
- --Aleksandar Šušnjar 20:07, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. I'm still severely dubious of several premises of this section: that having some kind of drag and drop development environment is the be-all-and-end-all of programming, that current frameworks don't count towards that, the implication that existing web development practices don't work for sites using AJAX, that a site using AJAX technologies has to be some kind of equivalent to a desktop app.
BTW What's the relevance of the Hummingbird link? It doesn't seem to mention AJAX on the site at all ("Your search - site:www.hummingbird.com ajax - did not match any documents.")
--Artw 21:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- Well, put it this way. Imagine if you had as many ready-made UI controls as you can find for desktop apps. Imagine if the IDE did all the linking between the code and instances for you, as pure JavaScript and HTML usually do not. Imagine if you, in fact, did not have to worry about any communication with the server at all - all you do is call methods of smart objects. Creating "Ajax" apps would then be a breeze. I am not implying that existing web dev practices don't work for sites using Ajax nor that Ajax apps have to be equivalent to a desktop app - but that is the direction they can be taken to and that is how they differ from "traditional web apps". Lack of tools is one of the reasons why there aren't many (I know of only one) desktop equivalent app.
- Relevance of Hummingbird link is there for people who built their solutions on Hummingbird platform. You won't find Ajax there because that is just a very new term. Hummingbird calls its architecture different terms, incl. "Webtop", "Web UI Objects", "Constructs", etc. but is essentially the most powerful Ajax app (and platform) I've seen so far, and it was done in 2001 - long before "Ajax" is coined. On top of that it is flexible to use any (incl. custom) transport protocol, completely abstracted from both client and the server, so either XML, JSON or other "serialization type" can be used, via separate (de)serialization streams. Other important parts woth mentioning were the environment controller (sort of a rudimentary client-side operating system - resource manager), HTML element to proper object event distribution, library to aid/simulate classes in JavaScript along with inheritance, a library (class hierarchy) of ready-made UI controls, etc.
- I also added "desktop.com", albeit without a link. I think those people deserve to be mentioned. I remember them being alive somwhere between 1999 and 2001 - not sure. They made, essentially, a simulator of a typical desktop - all with applications, program managers / start menus, window management, etc - your desktop. You could log in from anywhere and deal with your apps. To top it all they did it in IE4 and announced NN4 support. Bad part: took ages to log in, while it loaded all the stuff it needed. Generally very nice idea, maybe ahead of its time, which is why the domain desktop.com now seems to belong to someone else (or at least there is no mention of what it used to be). Maybe someone can bring some light about desktop.com?
- I thought it makes sense to put the link to people who actually did something about it when there are links to those who just talked about it or did comparatively very little (Macromedia, Microsoft, Google).
- --Aleksandar Šušnjar 22:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- If it worked in IE4 and NN4 it probably wasn't AJAX, as the XMLHTTP object wasn;t around until later versions of that browser. It sound slike what you're describing is some clever ASP/DHTML interaction that works in some other way. The links should be removed as they are confusing and not helpful to anyone wanting to know about AJAX. --Artw 23:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- I was interested in desktop.com at the time and saw what it did. If you limit AJAX to XML than they may not qualify. However, neither is "Ajax" any more limited to XML - see article itself (e.g. quote: "XML is commonly used, although any format will work, including preformatted HTML, plain text, JSON and even EBML"). On the other hand it had more verbose and powerful client-side implementation than most todays players and is comparable in complexity to Hummingbird's. I am not describing "clever ASP/DHTML" interaction in any other way. I had my hands "dirty" on both.
- As for helpfulnes, this article also presents history. I beleve the credit for starting the idea should go to people who did something notable and either desktop.com or Hummingbird alone probably outweigh all others mentioned in the article combined.
- --Aleksandar Šušnjar 23:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- Without wanting to get into an edit war, I really don't see much evidence that they're part of the history of AJAX, or even use AJAX at all - in fact all i can see is a dead link and a link to a rather impenentrable product information page. Are they browser based applications, in HTML and Jabvascript, which interact with the server without reloading the page? If so then they'd be AJAX-like, but without using XMLHttp (note: not necessarly XML) they fall outside of most definitions of AJAX. And if they don't use XMLHttp by what method do they work?
- --Artw 23:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- It is hard to find evidence for desktop.com as it no longer exists as a company. Domain is currently owned by some other company. I tried my best and created the stub article for it, in hopes that people involved in developing it will notice and provide some more information. For now have a look at it and the links at the bottom - "online traces of existence" I've found.
- As for Hummingbird solutions I was quite involved in developing and architecting (for) it. Unfortunately I haven't found public information - documentation seems to only be available to customers and partners, but I will probe further. Humminbird has a framework that can (but does not have to) use XMLHttp (different ones for different browsers). For example, for JSON communication it uses IFRAMEs. You are the first person restricting Ajax to XML. I grant that XML is in its name and that others are not but you have to acknowledge what the article already states and what most people think of Ajax - XML is common, but not required. If you want to discount all but XML then the article has to be seriously rewritten and many other references and links removed. Last but not least, AJAX does not require XMLHttp. There are ways of transferring and parsing XML otherwise, although not as efficiently.
- I wrote a "toy" component for Hummingbird Webtop in early 2002, that relied on client-side Javascript, CSS and XMLHttpRequest. It updated a static page once per second, displaying a dynamic (moving) realtime graph of certain server statistics. The page itself was loaded once only; only the data was refreshed by the once-a-second XMLHttpRequest. For what it's worth, anyone hoping to defend a patent action in connection with Ajax might want to contact me! However I'm not at all impressed by the claim that Webtop itself is an example of Ajax. I'm closely familiar with the architecture of Webtop, having worked on the Webtop kernel for several years; and I think this claim is simply wrong. MrDemeanour 12:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- Last but not least, I am honestly not trying to put ads here. I removed the links, but I believe all those people deserve the credit for their achievements, especially when compared to other listed. Don't get me wrong - I don't want them removed. Although rather simplistic (when compared to desktop.com/Hummingbird) the other companies mentioned (e.g. Google) are very popular and influential. But they are not the (only/true) pioneers.
- Instead of spending time explaining all of these things here in the talk page, I'll set up the article for Hummingbird DM Webtop and put everything there. I just have to confirm with Hummingbird as to how much can be made public.
- I'm also asking you for a little patience. The fact that you're not personally aware of some facts does not mean that they should be removed. After all most of us know very little and rely on others to provide information. I am myself very interested in Ajax/RIA/whatever-you-want-to-call-it architecture as I really never fully believed in "traditional web apps". They all too much smell of classic "dumb terminal and mainframe" paradigm, only with more colourful and less interactive terminals. Furthermore, while the servers are truly powerful, they are not as many times faster than a typical user workstation as many users they have to handle - therefore too much client-side power is wasted... If only we had compiled client-side JavaScript, for example, thing would start looking really great...
- --Aleksandar Šušnjar 04:28, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
- A lack of dedicated development tools seems like a very empty criticism to me. Tools will turn up if there is a definite requirement among developers for them. Since Ajax is simply well-known technologies that we've been developing in for many years, brought together, I don't see why — necessarily — development tools on the level of those designed for desktop application development are required.
- Secondly, the addition of all of this Hummingbird etc. "historical" data has made the first sections of this article disastrously complicated. Aleksandar, you are talking about parts of the history of remote scripting, not of Ajax as we know it today. Please clean this section up. Rufous 16:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
- If anything was "hastily" added it is the mentions of everyone else. What has Microsoft done? Talked about it and implemented proprietary and rudimentary enhancements here-and-there. What has Google done? Came later and made some (although important) enhancements to their services. However, due to their popularity their actions became immediatelly visible. What has Macromedia done? Came really late, talked about it and wanted to do it with Flash (it is worth mentioning). So, if those companies are to be present in the article as late-coming all-talk-no-action (with some exceptions) then actual performers and pioneers such as Desktop.com and Hummingbird (and possibly others I would like to hear about) absolutely MUST be credited.
- Last but not least about the lack of tools being "empty" criticism. It worries me as well, as I don't like including information to be dated in encyclopaedic content. However, in this case we have no choice. Pretty much all pros and cons are dated. Current fact is that even when tools do exist they support advance Ajax only to the level of "checkmarking" it - rudimentary. I am personally eager to see the time when that stops being the fact and will want to see the guys making those tools credited for their efforts. History is about what happened, explanations and important people. In this case desktop.com and Hummingbird are at least as important as anyone else listed.
- --Aleksandar Šušnjar 17:37, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
- I;ve just made a number of edits to the article, all of wehich seem to originate witgh yourself, and all of which seems to be intended to tilt the meaning of the term AJAX away from it;s common usage and (I suspect) towards wahtever Desktop.com and Hummingbird are.
- Desktop.com sounds interesting, but I don't think it's as big a part of internet history as you imply it is, and is tertiaqry to AJAX history at best. This article will become meaningless if we start inclusing everyone who was using an iframe hack or similar to transfer data before AJAX. Perhaps a general article on remote scripting techniques would be a good idea?
- Your claims that Hummingbird is an important part of AJAX history and are the top rpoponents of AJAX development at this time are completely unsubstantiated by anything Ican find - as far as I can tell they make a document management system with a nice but unremarkable interface. Until you can back it up it should not be included, and certainly not linked to in multiple places throughout the article as you would have.
- Also I've deleted the "development tools" section as it seems to have devolved into gibberish. Free free to rewrite it in a clearer manner, and without a surfiet of crufty links, but please don't simply restore it.
- --Artw 18:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
- I tried the search myself ... did not find much on-line but here's one mentioning the customization course: 411: Customizing DM Webtop.
- --Aleksandar Šušnjar 22:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
AjaxPatterns.org Reference
Ajax Patterns keeps being added (sometimes by me, sometimes by others), and removed again, usually indiscriminately with several other references. What's everyone's take on it? It's basically the complete draft text to a book on Ajax, with topics ranging from basic Javascript/DOM stuff to advanced architectural concepts, as well as details on 100+ famework and library details. With all content under CC. Sems fairly appropriate as an external reference, I'd have thought. Mahemoff
- I suppose all this stuff is already dispatched in various pages at Wikipedia, else let me know... Spankman 12:14, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- As someone who watches this topic closely, I can attest that Ajax Patterns is the most complete and authoritative single point of reference available on the topic of Ajax. If there were to be only one external site reference included in the Wikipedia Ajax entry, this is the link I would recommend. Brentashley 13:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- There are billions of external links but no useful information related to Ajax for me. Spankman 06:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- Where are these billions of external links? Most links are to original content inside the website. Mahemoff 11:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- According to the guidelines one must avoid to link to "Any site that contains factually inaccurate material or unverified original research". Spankman 10:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well, you've got me there. If you're not able to point me to the billions of external links, could you help me locate the factually inaccurate material or unverified original research? --Mahemoff 10:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- You are funny. Since this is a wiki, the whole site is made by no matter who and it is clear there is not at Ajaxpattern enough people to verify all the pages and all the links. The bookmark sections require a code to enter and this is also forbidden by the guidelines. Spankman 12:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- It is "clear" because...? The site gets thousands of eyeballs a day. As it happens, many pages are read-only (although I don't see how an openly editable wiki is actually a downside). I'm not aware of any bookmark sections requiring a code, the entire content is publicly available. --Mahemoff 13:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- You are funny. Since this is a wiki, the whole site is made by no matter who and it is clear there is not at Ajaxpattern enough people to verify all the pages and all the links. The bookmark sections require a code to enter and this is also forbidden by the guidelines. Spankman 12:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well, you've got me there. If you're not able to point me to the billions of external links, could you help me locate the factually inaccurate material or unverified original research? --Mahemoff 10:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- According to the guidelines one must avoid to link to "Any site that contains factually inaccurate material or unverified original research". Spankman 10:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- Where are these billions of external links? Most links are to original content inside the website. Mahemoff 11:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- There are billions of external links but no useful information related to Ajax for me. Spankman 06:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- As someone who watches this topic closely, I can attest that Ajax Patterns is the most complete and authoritative single point of reference available on the topic of Ajax. If there were to be only one external site reference included in the Wikipedia Ajax entry, this is the link I would recommend. Brentashley 13:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Seriously, I have watched this website closely, and found nothing valuable about Ajax. There are articles that are out of topic and seem taken from other websites, and links, links, links, but no real work. Alcalazar 11:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- Alcalazar, can you please provide an example an article that is "out of topic" on Ajax Patterns? Also, did you look at the 70 chapter-length entries of original writing, or just the Ajax Links page, which is the only page I'm aware of that is essentially just only links. Mahemoff 11:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- Seriously, I have watched this website closely, and found nothing valuable about Ajax. There are articles that are out of topic and seem taken from other websites, and links, links, links, but no real work. Alcalazar 11:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- AjaxPatters.org is one of the most comprehensive collection of resources about Ajax on the web that I have seen. I do think it is very useful for Ajax developers. But so are many other sites and portals about Ajax. The problem we have with this Ajax article is that people keep adding links to their own site - useful or not. So as we have seen in the past, the link list keep growing and growing. There are two issues with keeping this link. First of all the link section is divided in two: articles and tutorials. Ajaxpatters.org is a collection of both but the link is to the main site while all the other links are to specific articles. I am not saying that this sectioning is good - in fact it makes it makes the job of cutting the links down harder as there are many good Ajax articles and tutorials. Second; there are many other portals and sites with a collection of tutorials/articles. Shall we add this as well? --Sleepyhead 11:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- I believe we should keep here links to articles closely related to Ajax (XMLHttpRequest +JavaScript all together) because we can except lot of developments in the future using Ajax, and the size of this page will become virtually unlimited. Maybe we should create other pages to cover all subjects. Ajaxpatterns is not a tutorial actually and if a link is added here, put it at root of "External links" instead. Booles 12:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- There's been a lot of misinformation and irrational logic in this thread, which I've tried to address, but I can see it going around in circles from here, so we're going to have to agree to disagree. I do want to point one specific technical point out though: Ajax does not mean, and was never intended to mean "What can we do with XMLHttpRequest". Please read JJG's original Ajax article and the FAQ below, which states, "Ajax is our name for the overall approach described in the article, which relies not only on XMLHttpRequest, but on CSS, DOM, and other technologies.". Although some people here do feel the site is link-worthy, there seems to be a general resistance against changing any of the links or their structure, which to me goes against the principles of wikipedia, but I guess it's understandable given the disputes that might arise. Until any structural changes happen to those links, I'm going to jump out of this conversation. --Mahemoff 13:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
In general I'm against adding any new links, but for what it's worth I'm in favour of adding AJAX Patterns to external links - it's a solid resource. --Artw 22:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- If there is a very good page on the site, it may be linked. The site if a farmlink for me. Spankman 13:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't see why people must be fanatical against ajaxpatterns.org. As someone deeply into AJAX and lead developer of an AJAX open source project (dutchpipe.org), I consider ajaxpatterns.org the most authoritative source right now. Not wikipedia. So it's funny some guys here don't think ajaxpatterns is "good enough" (oh?). Is this a cat fight? Live and let live guys. You can both exist, and one thing is for sure: this site is a sure bookmarker for anyone into AJAX, by blocking it because of your personal issues, you deny users this valuable information. Wikipedia is for its users, not its editors. My vote goes to addition to the external links section. --Lennert 19:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Huh? There is no vote and you create a sockpuppet to vote? Spankman 13:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- They are now hidding backlinks into the body of the text. Spankman 12:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Spankman, once again, you've made it seem like you have some agenda by making a wild, derogatory, claim with *zero evidence*. Now the possibility you have an agenda here is I'm sure just silly - after all, this is Wikipedia, and you are just an impartial (if anonymous) contributor hoping to maintain a high quality article. So far, you've called AjaxPatterns a "farmlink", "factually incorrect or unverified original research" (by implication), "no useful information related to Ajax", and you've made some inane comment about the "bookmark area" requiring a code, which you never explained. Which might lead some people to question your motives, but not me. So please enlighten us all on this, your latest effort to improve the quality of this article...Who are "They" are where are these hidden backlinks? --Mahemoff 12:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Lists of browsers
Would someone please explain why are there lists of browsers that support/doesn't support Ajax in the article? I don't see much value in both lists because whether an ajax application works properly is more down to the application itself than the browser. Every case is different and such an over-generalisation won't help the reader understand much more, if not outright mis-leading. Case in point: people would tend to say "Google Calendar does not support Safari" rather than the other way round, ie "Safari does not support Google Calendar". --John Seward 15:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- I beleive it's more correctly a list of browsers that support both XMLHttp and a decent level of DOM Scripting, which is pretty much the purist definition of AJAX. --Artw 15:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- A list of browsers that support Ajax is less and less useful with time. Should be removed very soon. Booles 09:48, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have removed the two sections for the reasons given above. --John Seward 17:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps a matrix of selected browsers' support of the various composition technologies of the AJAX umbrella would help. --John Seward 14:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Excellent suggestion! Er... how do we make one in wiki? --Artw 14:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- How about this:
|Microsoft Internet Explorer
|, but...
|Mozilla family and other Gecko-based
|Firefox 1.5
|Safari 1.3
- --John Seward 17:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's totally awesome. We probably need to footnote it with various qualifiers as well, but I think this is totally the way to go. --Artw 17:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Multiple links
Several links to a same page, in several articles at Wikipedia is SPAM. Please choose the best location, and link your page only once. Alcalazar 12:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- When the links are relevant to both articles, I disagree, and I have not found any mention of this on WP:EL. The link has been removed from XMLHttpRequest. Rufous 16:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think the "See also" section is due a major cull. Creating an Ajax frameworks page and putting some of them there might be a good idea, though obviously such a page would be at risk of becoming a link farm. --Artw 15:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Should remove also the link to Mozilla. It is linked twice. Spankman 13:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Back Button Support
I deleted the following section as it is such a horrible solution I seriously doubt anybody uses it.
An alternative to this method could be to open up an application in a fullscreen window, with no buttons or menu whatsoever, thus eliminating the need for (or even existince of) a back button. Once the new window has opened there will be no back state available.
Feel free to restore it if i am in the wrong, though I'd quite frankly be horrified to discover anyone actually doing this.
Anyhow, I thought everyone was using the fragment identifier technique these days? --Artw 18:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
IBM Developerworks link
Do we need to delete that? It's a pretty good set of tutorials and, in one form or another, they have been part of this article for a long time. Does anyone have any background on this "spamlist" and how they came to be on it? --Artw 18:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- It should absolutely be blocked. Somebody at Alphaworks was involved in a concentrated (and infuriating) spam assault on various Ajax-related pages on WP. See for example, this user. See especially this comment. I can't abide that. Rufous 14:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- First off, your use of the term SPAM is not entirely correct in this instance. Secondly, I had read two out of the five tutorials at the IBM site and they were not selling anything (I intend to read the other three soon). Thirdly, I sent a link for this wikipedia page to colleagues telling them to explore the IBM links at the bottom and then was told by those people that they could not find the links. These links were in an external area. There is nothing wrong with doing this. I will be rolling back your changes (so stop being mental). --Neilrieck 00:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- AlphaWorks/DeveloperWorks are in the spam blacklist. No need to mental introspection. They must be deleted without discussion. So I do. Spankman
- I still resent the fact that you (or perhaps it was someone else) decided to treat this "External Link" as SPAM. I personally found the articles very helpful and I'm sure others would too. So just for my own personal information, just who will decide when to stop considering links to AlphaWorks/DeveloperWorks as SPAM? When will they be removed from the so-called "balck list"? --Neilrieck 15:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- While I agree that the articles were quite good, they were added to the page aggressively and continually by a single user over the course of a number of months, despite resistance from other editors. The term spam does not have to connote lack of quality — the articles are on that blacklist because of the behaviour of its authors. Rufous 17:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Fare enough but please answer my question. Who is the king pin in this virtual world that will determine when someone, or their URL, will be removed from the black list? How do any users of this system (like me) know that the people controlling this "black list" designation aren't working for an IBM competitor like Microsoft? --Neilrieck 11:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- Even if they are working for an IBM competitor, that doesn't change IBM's sleazy spam tactics.
- If you follow the link from the first revert, you'll see that both AlphaWorks and DeveloperWorks were intended to be added to the blacklist, but for some reason, only AlphaWorks was added. If either of you disagree with this, I suggest that you bring it up on that page or with Amgine. In the meantime, I think it's fair to say that AlphaWorks links should not be added but DeveloperWorks links are okay, but Neilrieck, please bear in mind, it's possible that if you add DeveloperWorks links, then they'll simply be added to the blacklist like originally intended, and the links will be removed again.
- On a more long-term note, if you resent these websites being on the blacklist, you can either convince everybody to change Wikipedia's style guide regarding external links or you can convince IBM to change their practices.
- --Bogtha 14:08, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- Lots of companies contain the occasional over-zealous employee. I don't think IBM is any more sleazy than any other (although I personally have more respect for newer & younger companies like RIM + Google). That said, no one has answered my question: who decides when the IBM urls will come off the black-list? Is is an official Wikipedia person or a self-appointed Wikipedia monitor? What I'm worried about is some Wikipedia pages being monitored a little more closely than others. BTW, I've just read Wikipedia's style guide regarding external links which seems to contain a little more wiggle room than you have suggested. In the interim, what would you think about me moving the IBM links to my personal web site the add an external link to my page at the bottom of this page?
- I think nobody is answering your question because the information is right there at the top of the spam blacklist Talk page. Any meta admins can edit the spam list. Please, if you have a complaint, at least do the minimum to follow it up instead of demanding that the people you disagree with help you complain about their actions.
- I don't think linking to your personal homepage just to get around a spam block is such a good idea. If you can't get consensus on blacklist removal, you should respect that.
- Saying that this might be the work of a rogue employee is not applicable. IBM were given the chance to respond and they did not. That indicates policy rather than an individual causing trouble for their employer. The comment Rufous points to backs this up; saying "We are trying to determine the traffic and interest of each one, to help us determine future commitment by IBM for this type of content." You really can't call that an over-zealous employee, can you?
- --Bogtha 09:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- "I agree that the articles were quite good". Sorry, for me it is not a valid link: it looks impressive at first, but once I have read the 5 parts, I have found nothing that is not already in WP and more specially in the XMLHttpRequest specification. It is only more verbose and annoying.
- Please, perform a search on developerWorks keyword, for backlinks from WP to their website, look at the number at top and tell me if I am in dream? Alcalazar 10:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Another comment: read carefully the guidelines: "Generally, it is best to avoid using URL redirection sites in external links". Links to developerWorks are redirections actually. Alcalazar 10:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Lots of companies contain the occasional over-zealous employee. I don't think IBM is any more sleazy than any other (although I personally have more respect for newer & younger companies like RIM + Google). That said, no one has answered my question: who decides when the IBM urls will come off the black-list? Is is an official Wikipedia person or a self-appointed Wikipedia monitor? What I'm worried about is some Wikipedia pages being monitored a little more closely than others. BTW, I've just read Wikipedia's style guide regarding external links which seems to contain a little more wiggle room than you have suggested. In the interim, what would you think about me moving the IBM links to my personal web site the add an external link to my page at the bottom of this page?
I'm not trying to be difficult, but all WP links provided so far seem to be very subjective. No where have I seen an objective definition what WP considers a SPAM attack. Is it one perceived event per day? Four per day? One per hour? In the real world our actions are governed by objective rules, in the form of laws, which may only be interpreted by a judical system. In this virtual world I don't see any anything (yet) which could be considered police or a judicial system. There are, however, many volunteer monitors and I supect that some may be a little more agressive than others. --Neilrieck 11:38, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
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Since it's noted that there are alternatives to XmlHttpRequest, might it be relevant to include: One alternative is to employ a persistent connection for asynchronous exchange between browser and service [1]. --126.96.36.199 21:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- A link to this page has been repeatedly added to the history section. It's apparently a "a javascript module for Firefox 1.5 " and as far as I can see it isn't particularly notable, isn't particularly relevant to the history of AJAX and since it's Firefox specific may not even be relevant to AJAX. So far I've been removing it as link spam, but it keeps coming back. Artw 21:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
The idea was to point out a product that implements a persistent-asynch method. That page may not be highly notable, but surely the concept is? --220.127.116.11 22:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Semiprotection 2 - the return of semiprotection?
Would all you regular editors trying to keep the article clean appreciate the return of semiprotection? I'm not sure I'm seeing much in the way of reasonable contributions by the anons, and as the unprotecting admin I feel kind of like I've left you swinging in the wind. Syrthiss 12:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- Against - although the page attracts an above average number of edits that have to be reverted to maintain the status quo they;re usually well-intentioned - and some of them are actually keepers. I think there's probably enough people watching this page with an idea of the difference to keep things running.
- In general I'm against semiprotecting for long periods of time too, and it looks like you're reasonably on top of things. Syrthiss 15:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Clean seperation between application logic and user interface
I just want to share a few of my personal AJAX expirences. As a team leader in a company that has been struggeling with the AJAX concepts for years, I have seen both power and trouble in this model.
I do think that by far the most fruitfull features of AJAX model is its ability to cleanly seperate user interface details from the actual functionality of the application. XML is powerfull enough to meet almost any requirements on complexity of data to be exchanged, while at the same time it allows us to limit the number of different forms that this data can take - for example by means of an XML schema serving as a contract (design by contract) between the two.
This kind of seperation is a fundamental design principle that provides transparency and stability and thus, maintainability, as any experienced "hacker" knows. An obvious practical benefit is that you can invoke the AJAX services from the command line shell, which will ideally give access to exactly the same functionality as through the browser. This in turn can easily be utilized in automated testing.
Although JavaScript is a pretty powerfull and expressive language (when you really get to know it) I feel it does add to the problems of the AJAX model. The problem is that as you build more and bigger application components you will have to start thinking about things like reusability and stability of you JavaScript code. While JavaScript does support object orientation and various forms class derivation, it does lack the concept of encapsulation of implementation withing class hierarchies. You can use JavaScrips concept of closures for safe encapsulation, but it does not fit constructivly into the concept of class hierarchies.
One prticular problem with JavaScript is that a member of a base class cannot be made private. Thus whenever you want to add new properties to a derived class you must take care not to reuse names of already used properties in the entire chain of base classes. While most other issues can be dealt with reasonable well, the lack of encapsulation is a serious problem and really does limit the scalability of your code base.
Hope some of this input can be used in the main article.
Kristian 08:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
- Your points might be better off as part of a discussion of DHTML or Javascript in general, since they apply to a broader field than just AJAX -Artw 17:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
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I wonder how Ajax will influence google indexation ?
Does anyone know?
- That would depend entirely on how the non-JS version of your site or web-app works, since Google ignores Javascript --Artw 17:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC).
Not an Acronym?
How is Ajax not an acronym? --18.104.22.168 05:20, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- That was a hobbyhorse of User 184.108.40.206. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ajax_%28programming%29&diff=53269519&oldid=53195457 when I gave up arguing about it. --Nigelj 11:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia's acronym article, acronyms are "abbreviations... written as the initial letter or letters of words, and pronounced on the basis of this abbreviated written form." Hmmm... let's see Asynchronous JavaScript with XML. Seems to fit the definition. --Munchkinguy 01:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- Actually the article says Asynchronous JavaScript and XML. Note the "and", not the "with". And that's not an acronym.....? --JCipriani 01:57, 09 July 2006 (EDT)
Regardless, this should be fixed. The comment is irrelavent (does it really matter wheter or not it is an acronym?), so it should either be deleted, or followed up with a sentance explaining that it is an acronym. --Munchkinguy 01:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Seems weird to me too...of course it's technically an acronym. I've heard JJG talk several times and never heard him say that it's not an acronym. Sure, he's said it's "Ajax" not "AJAX" and he's emphasised that Ajax is more than "Asynchronous Javascript + XMLHttpRequest", but it's obviously derived from an acronym to begin with. --Mahemoff 08:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Double Buffering
Double buffering is a similar solution to a similar programming problem, as applied to computer graphics, i.e. video writes. The idea is to build each video page in the background then flush to presentation for the most seamless appearance, avoiding flicker, distortions, etc. I added a reference to this technique, which was promptly removed by a regular editor without explanation. It seems to me that web developers are done a disservice by ignoring the tried and tested techniques in other development arenas, and would like to see this reference reincorporated.
CleffedUp 14:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- It was probably removed as it's not similar enough, or relevant enough, to warrant a mention. I'd be against any reincorporation. Artw 16:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Irritatingly enough, you're the one who removed it. If you don't know why you removed it in the first place, than I'd hardly think you're in a position to judge whether it belongs. CleffedUp 05:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- And I've removed it again. They are two seperate subjects, without any kind of link except perhaps as a weak metaphor. Artw 15:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- You miss the point: There are lessons to be learned in other disciplines of programming and, in fact, other professions. The classic example of the latter being the broken windows study. What do actual broken windows have to do with programming? Nothing, but there are lessons to be learned nonetheless. My interest here is in relating current practice to established theory to encourage exploration. Surely there's value in that. I would even speculate that a web developer would have conceived the Ajax framework sooner if more spent some time out of their specialty. On top of this, I simply can't understand your vehement objection to an innocuous reference to a programming metaphor. CleffedUp 14:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia isn't a software engineering learning tool, it's a wikified encyclopedia. Including similar but historically unrelated concepts doesn't add any value to the wikipedia entry. Encourage exploration in media designed for it -- there are plenty of design pattern wiki's on the web. Anon
One of the disadvantages of using Ajax is that there are better alternatives in some circumstances. Other articles report better alternatives in their disadvantages sections. For example, the Java applet article says in its Disadvantages of applets section:
- "Though not strictly a disadvantage of Java applets, alternative technologies exist (for example, Ajax and Flash) that satisfy much of the scope of what is possible with an applet."
So, out of symmetry, it makes sense to mention in the Ajax article that Java applets exists as an alternative. As this change was reverted, I'd like to open the floor to a discussion. Stephen B Streater 11:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm. I might actually pop over there and modify that - I think they more properly mean DHTML. And to be honest a comparison between DHTML and flash is apples and oranges, though the comparison between Flash and Java-applets holds up a little better.
- And I'd argue that if we do include it then IMHO it doesn't belong in the disadvantages section. Artw 14:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- I agree the disadvantages section is not really appropriate - and it probably should be moved around in the Java article too. Perhaps we could have an article to compare different Web technologies with advantages and disadvantages. It would be good to be able to see all the options laid out in one article. Stephen B Streater 18:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Anyone heard of this site called AjaxProjects (http://www.ajaxprojects.com) before? It seems that an anoymous user has been systematically adding links to this site and I am not sure whether the links are genuinely useful and relevant or we should revert them all as link spam. --Pkchan 18:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- The site looks useful and relevant, and isn't obviously a link farm (though it does feature a prominent adsense ad) but the blanket linking IS definately suspect, and the quality of the links should be checked. Artw 19:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- AjaxProjects.com links appear frequently at the end of Ajax-related blog posts (e.g. on Ajaxian.com) and they are usually a generic, one-sentence, link to the site with absolutely no reference to the article. The site's content itself does seem to be original AFAICT. (Disclaimer: The site content overlaps in some respects to the site I run, AjaxPatterns.org.) --Mahemoff 19:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
A page seems to have been created for AJAJ, or "Asynchronious Javascript with JSON". I see no reason for such a page to exist seperatly, but should it be merged here or to JSON? Or just dropped entirely? Artw 22:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Asynchronous server query is another troublesome page that may need some attention and possible merging. Artw 22:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- OK, I've gone ahead and redirected AJAJ to here... Artw 17:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
What's the fuss about the infobox now apprearing at the beginning of the article? It doesn't appear to be a general infobox, so we don't even know what that infobox is trying to describe. And the image doesn't appear to bear any official recoginiton at all (not to mention the aesthetics). I would strongly suggest to take it down. --John Seward 06:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- Iwas a bit confused by that. Ajax has a logo now? It probably should be taken down. Artw 15:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- Great. --John Seward 19:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


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Inquiry-Based Teaching Tools Available!
Check out the high school history units that use our newspapers as primary sources! See Teach It: Bringing Connecticut History to the Classroom! All of these inquiry-based exercises are aligned with the new Connecticut Social Studies Framework. These include:
- Roots of Labor Unrest in Progressive Era Connecticut
- African Americans in Progressive Era Connecticut: The Battle Over the the Jack Johnson Fight Film
- The Immigrant Experience during World War I: Enemy Aliens
- Free Speech and Seditious Speech on the Connecticut First World War Home Front
- Black World War I Veterans Demand Civil Rights
- "Making Munitions is a Woman's Job" during World War I
Additional teaching units have been developed for Chronicling America by the NEH and by other state projects. Some of them can be viewed at EDSITEment and at National Digital Newspaper Project Extras! The Connecticut Project would love to come and demonstrate the use of Chronicling America to your teacher group or library. We are also looking for teachers and school librarians who are interested in using or helping to develop lesson plans using the Connecticut newspapers that become part of Chronicling America. If any of these things interest you, please contact Chris Gauvreau at firstname.lastname@example.com and 860-757-6525 or Gail Hurley at email@example.com and 860-704-2222.
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Guides to Newspaper Content, which provide sample Connecticut newspaper articles and bibliography for a variety of topics, may be of use to teachers as well.
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Presentation by Gail Hurley, Co-Director of the Connecticut Digital Newspaper Project at History Day Welcome at the Old State House on October 3, 2015.
Exactly What Primary Sources Can You Find Here?
The Connecticut Digital Newspaper Project (CDNP) has begun contributing issues of our state's newspapers to Chronicling America, a fully keyword searchable online archive of historic newspapers. Sponsored by the Library of Congress and the National Endowment for the Humanities, Chronicling America is a fabulous resource for teachers and school librarians anxious to introduce students to primary source research skills such as gathering and evaluating information, analysis, comparison and contrast, critical thinking, and the use of technology (Edsitement). The Connecticut Digital Newspaper Project digitized 100,000 pages of Connecticut newspapers from 1909-1922 and is currently digitizing runs of state newspapers from 1880-1908.
Teachers can now assign students to search the Norwich Bulletin, a newspaper that covered news from 100 of the towns and villages of Eastern Connecticut, and the Bridgeport Evening Farmer/Bridgeport Times, which ran stories from towns on the shore east from Bridgeport to Stamford and north into the Naugatuck Valley. The Norwich Bulletin at this time period devoted a lot of column space to agriculture, industry, and Progressive Era urban development. The Bridgeport Evening Farmer/Bridgeport Times featured a lot of news about labor and the large immigrant populations that came to work in the city's factories. Both papers covered the debate over whether or not the U.S. should enter World War I, the home front sacrifices during the war era, the fight for woman suffrage, free speech fights, and other civil liberties questions. Issues from the New Haven Journal and Courier from 1880-1908, a mainstream Republican paper that covered some local African American news, are appearing online as they are scanned.


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In the name of God; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. AMEN.
So far this Lent, we have heard about Adam and Eve eating of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, we heard about Abraham having as many descendants as of grains of sand (or as The Message presented it by God telling Abraham, "You are going to have a big family"), and this week, we hear about Moses and the very thirsty Israelites in the desert.
Moses is afraid the angry mob will turn on him. The Israelites are focused on their lack of anything to drink. Moses fears for his life. Everyone is wrapped up in their own story of suffering until God steps in. God uses Moses and his staff to remind us all that the story is not about us, it is about God. This is God's story and we play only a small part in it. What we find out by reading Holy Scripture is that being in God's story will call upon your humility – and if we understand our humble role, we will find that we have only confidence and gratitude.
Paul conveys this concept beautifully in his letter to the church in Rome, "We throw open our doors to God and discover at the same moment that he has already thrown open his door to us. We find ourselves standing where we always hoped we might stand."
On our journeys of faith, we start out looking for God. We might search for a long time. While we search we often try to do everything right so that we can find God. The irony is, we can spend so much of our energy trying to live up to being the way we think we are supposed to be to connect with God, then, when we finally discover that we are connected and we are loved, beyond measure, by God, then we realize that God has been with us, loving us that way all along.
We start out with the idea that we aren't quite good enough as we are, so we invent the self we would like to be and present that self to the world. That's our false self. That self isn't necessarily bad. It is the mask, the face, the outer appearance we think we need.
Our true self is the part of us deep inside which is deeply connected to God. This is the unchangeable center of our nature where we live without inhibition or judgment.
Richard Rohr, in his new book about the Trinity, The Divine Dance, writes about the animals at their ease in nature. "All creatures seem to like being what they are and to accept what they're not. But humans, we're a different story, aren't we? We don't like being what we are; and worse, we always want to be someone else. We're mimetic and envious. We've traded our instincts for aspirations, wishing we were thinner, or taller, or more handsome, or whatever, anything other than this little incarnation that we are for one gorgeous moment in time. We have a hard time finding grace in 'just this'!"
The 'just this' is our true self. In the version of the Bible from The Message, Eugene Peterson puts the words of 'true self' in the mouth of Jesus. This happens in his response to the Samaritan woman's question about their differing ways of worshiping God.
He says, "But the time is coming-it has, in fact, come-when what you're called will not matter and where you go to worship will not matter. It's who you are and the way you live that count before God. Your worship must engage your spirit in the pursuit of truth. That's the kind of people the Father is out looking for: those who are simply and honestly themselves before him in their worship. God is sheer being itself-Spirit. Those who worship him must do it out of their very being, their spirits, their true selves, in adoration" (John 4:22-24).
It is in our true selves where we know God, truth, self, being, and spirit. From the perspective of the true self, we can understand most readily the view that we are the ones coming into the story about God, not the other way around.
Just as a child is born into the midst of a parent's life,
We are born into the midst of God's work in the world;
In the midst of evolution and nature running its course,
In the life of the Church.
In the generations of this parish.
Just as Christ told the disciples they were about to harvest in a field where they had not lifted a finger, where it was others who had worked long and hard … here we are showing up to worship in a beautiful church building we did nothing to help build. Spiritually, we are the child who was born into the middle of God's story.
It takes experience to learn of our place in the story – whose story it is – and to cultivate the perspective to appreciate God's generosity, patience, and mercy.
This was exemplified in the gospel by the story of Jesus and the woman at the well. The Samaritan woman first heard Jesus tell her who she was. He said, "If you knew the generosity of God and who I am, you would be asking me for a drink, and I would give you fresh, living water" (John 4:10). Just hearing him say the words, she didn't understand. She had to experience his prophecy about her life. When she started putting everything together, she realized who Jesus was, she knew that the Messiah had come, and she went to share the good news with others.
It is impossible not to. Once you really know yourself to be that loved, you only want to share that love with others. She left and told the townspeople. They were interested enough by what she said to come and find out more. When they met Jesus and had their own conversations with him, their own experiences were why they truly believed.
Experience is very important. It differentiates the false self from the true self.
The false self is always aspiring, seeking to be something it perceives we aren't yet. The false self tells us where to go and how to stand in order to get God to love us.
The true self, on the other hand, is experiential. The true self tells us that as we are in this moment, where we stand right now, God is loving us beyond all measure. What we've wanted all along has always been here. It is happening now.
We do not have to be like the Israelites who were desperately thirsty wandering around in the wilderness with Moses. We don't have to be stuck deep inside our own story of suffering.
We have the advantage of hearing the story and seeing that the Israelites came into God's story of loving creation when God sent water gushing forth from a stone to quench their thirst. Oh! If we could just send a text message to the past and tell the Israelites not to waste so much of their energy on complaining. What if they had known and trusted all along that whatever happened to them God would provide?
Take this perspective with you and carry it in your heart: Our true self knows that as we are, and where we stand (or sit) right now, God loves us beyond our understanding.
What we've wanted all along has always been true.
It is happening now.
As you are.
Where you stand.


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Art and Science Piece; Abstract, Draft One
Economically, militarily, technologically, scientifically and culturally America is to varying degrees the world's only superpower today. In all of these areas America inherited the tradition of the West and built upon it.
This Western Way separated Man and Nature as a unity by making Man an observer and Nature the observed.
It separated Man himself as an intellectual, physical, and spiritual unity by elevating the intellectual over the spiritual.
It separated man's unity as a physical being with five senses by elevating the sense of sight over the others.
From the Renaissance onward the West's goal has been to pursue a complete "accounting for," which became for it the Truth.
While breaking the unity of Man and Nature, and of Man himself, the West united two separate things, method and outcome.
The Western Way was method-driven and outcome-neutral. The method, scientific inquiry, was to be followed and by definition truth would result. The method could not be questioned and so the outcome could not be questioned. Thus method became outcome, description became meaning, [and meaning--truth--became description.]
Until after the beginning of the Renaissance, the Western Way also united the separate disciplines of art, philosophy, and science. All pursued the same goal and used the same, scientific, method. The spiritual and emotional components of art and philosophy, like those of man, were subsumed to their scientific components and to scientific purpose.
In the Arts, poetry and music were comparatively devalued to painting. Painting was intellectual and could pursue the West's goal of description while music and poetry were spiritual, and could not.
The West strove for this truth, this perfect description, and in its pursuit of the perfect description only perfect subjects were painted. Human beings only in perfect, youthful, physical appearance--that is no "real" human beings at all, but rather idealized forms of human beings--were painted.
The Western Way thus further abstracted--removed--Man from its method, which was its meaning, which was its Truth. This idealized human form, this meaning, this truth, was Beauty and it became the measure of a painting's greatness.
Working in tandem with science, painting, the West's premier art form, the most advanced of the West's disciplines, achieved its goal of verisimilitude during the Renaissance. A completed paradigm had been accomplished and western painting and science thereafter diverged.
They diverged because western painting's brief had been so modest, which is not to devalue its achievement. Western painting's goal had been to describe, mirror, or copy, to account for:
(1) the physical world removed from the spiritual, that is as man and nature separated.
(2) to so account for the physical world as comprehended only by man's sight, not by any of his other senses in combination, not by the sight of people in other cultures and not by any other species--e.g. eagles, bats, dolphins--and any of their senses.
After the Renaissance western science pushed its goal beyond the human ocular to the sub and super ocular.
In western art Rembrandt began to push painting into a more spiritual direction. His portraits aimed at revealing more of the spirit or character of the person rather than a purely physical, or physically idealized, form. Rembrandt painted his human subjects with less beauty.
Philosophy broke with science in the late 18th c when Kant succeeded in his argument that it was a "foundational" discipline.
In contrast to this Western Way is the Chinese civilization which existed as an island in relation to the West.
China's Zen religion is method-neutral and outcome-driven, the opposite of the Western Way.
Chinese art forms were valued more for their spiritual component than in the West. Music was valued more highly. "The Three Perfections" in Chinese art were painting, poetry and calligraphy. Painting and poetry had the same status, the opposite as in the West and precisely because of their spiritual component.
In Chinese painting the spiritual was elevated over the intellectual, again the opposite as in the West. A Chinese painting's quality was evaluated by reference to six factors. First was "spirit consonance," sixth was verisimilitude.
The apex of verisimilitude, as devalued in Chinese painting, was reached during the Sung dynasty between the late tenth and thirteenth centuries. The apex of verisimilitude, more valued, in the West occurred in the fifteenth century.
China and the West existed as islands in relation to each other. The social, political and economic influences were different yet after reaching its apex of verisimilitude Chinese painters began painting in a style that has been explicitly analogized to that of the Impressionists and to the post-Impressionist painter Paul Cezanne.
Despite being an island, China had its "Renaissance" in verisimilitude, but two-five centuries before the West's Renaissance. Despite being an island, China had "Impressionism" and "post-Impressionism" after its renaissance but two-three centuries before the West had its Impressionists and Post-Impressionists.
-Benjamin Harris
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Why did Juana want Kino to throw the pearl away? Can you guys describe fully what had happened to cause Juana to feel so fearful?In Steinbeck's rendition of "The Pearl."
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Juana's "sixth sense" has already alerted her to the trouble ownig the pearl could bring on, but it isn't until Kino is attacked in the night (and has to kill in self-defense) that her initial misgivings are confirmed. This incident could be considered the point of no return because from this moment on, Kino and Juana are on the run to escape reprisal (and are not just going to the city to try to sell the pearl themselves).
To Juana getting rid of the pearl would mean getting rid of the curse it has brought upon her family, and as we see later, her instinct about this is right. Kino, however, will not take her advice and insists on "winning" against the age-old system and hierarchy of "the rich" and "the poor."
Moreover, after the destruction of their house and their boat, Kino and Juana are not given a real alternative other than to leave. Kino is aware that the curse upon them might inflict harm to his extended family as well. He tells his brother, "I am like a leprosy." Like the venom from the scorpion's sting, greed for the pearl has contaminated the whole community and has alienated Kino and Juana from everyone. They have lost their place in the community, but their greatest loss is yet to come.


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Rihanna and Chris Brown Break Up Again 2013: Rihanna Doesn't Care About BET Awards Date
By Staff Writer | July 06, 2013 10:09 AM EDT
Rihanna and Chris Brown break up again in 2013 and Chris Brown has been seen around town at the BET Awards about a week ago with Karrueche Tran. Rihanna's reaction to Chris Brown and Karrueche Tran's BET Awards date is surprising.
Rihanna and Chris Brown break up again and Brown made a public statement by taking Karrueche to the BET Awards on June 30 as his date. What does Chris Brown's ex, Rihanna, feel about it? A source close to Rihanna talked to HollywoodLife.com.
Rihanna's ex, Chris Brown has been spending all his time with Karrueche Tran. After the BET Awards on June 30, the couple got down at The Belasco Theater. It looks like Chris and Karrueche had a passionate night together. Is this a diss against Rihanna?
A source close toRihanna said that the "Princess of the Illuminati" not only isn't jealous, she really doesn't care. The source told HollywoodLife.com, "Rihanna doesn't care about anything Chris is doing — she's out here in Germany, getting on with her life and touring. She wishes him well, but she doesn't want to see anything he's doing."
Rihanna who sang "out of sight, out of mind" looks like she's taking her own advice. She hasn't always been this understanding about watching her ex-boyfriend go back with his ex-girlfriend. Usually
Rihanna lashes out on Twitter. This time, not so much. Maybe Rihanna this its time she's moved on.
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Before I went backpacking in Switzerland two years ago, I was worried the language barrier would leave me hungry or clutching my stomach in pain. Not a problem, it turned out – a lot of Swiss cooking involves potatoes and cheese, two foods that are almost always gluten-free. I spent the next two months recreating dishes like raclette and rösti with British ingredients in my London flat.
I haven't had a lot of time to cook this semester. But I'm in the home stretch now and decided to treat myself. Not to mention, I had this wonderful bermuda onion cheddar I bought from a local Amish farmer.
Hash browns with bermuda onion cheddar
1 potato, thinly sliced
1 egg
1 green onion
bermuda onion cheddar (or other good, mild cheese)
olive oil
Serves 1
This is so simple. It doesn't even need a recipe. Peel and slice the potato, boil until tender. (I like soft hash browns with crispy edges, but if you like yours firm, don't leave them in the water as long.) Put oil (1-2 tbsp.) in a skillet. Let the oil get really, really hot. Stand back and toss in the potato slices. Spread them thin, salt to taste, and let them get brown. Then, fry an egg. Or scramble it. Top it all with sliced up chunks of cheese and lightly sautéed bits of green onion. Drink a Bloody Mary. Enjoy.


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Whatever Happened to Interracial Love? by Kathleen Collins
This never-before-published collection of stories underscores the brilliance of this revered yet little-known African-American artist and filmmaker who passed away in 1988 following her fight with breast cancer. Far-reaching yet deeply personal, this collection provides rich meditations on race, gender, family, and sexuality and is sure to awaken a renewed appreciation for this incredible mind who influenced a long list of writers, including Toni Morrison, Martha Southgate, Bliss Broyard, Katie Roiphe, and Erica Jong. Get more details here.
Moonglow by Michael Chabon
The latest work by the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay and Telegraph Avenue is a semi-autobiographical epic tale that begins with a deathbed confession shared between grandfather and grandson. A novel of truth and lies, family legends, and existential adventure, Moonglow has already received starred reviews from Library Journal and Booklist, who raves "Chabon has created a masterful and resounding novel of the dark and blazing forces that forged our tumultuous, confounding, and precious world." Get the egalley here.
The Terranauts by T.C. Boyle
From the author of The Harder They Come, this literary deep-dive into the human psyche has also received starred reviews from both Booklist and Library Journal, who proclaimed, "This is one of Boyle's best—and quite possibly one of the best of the year." Following four men and four women voluntarily sealed inside a three-acre biosphere as part of a grand human experiment (or potentially the world's most expensive PR stunt), Boyle's latest continues to display his masterful grasp of human behavior and folly, wrapped up in a timely social commentary. Get the egalley here.
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Zink's follow-up to the critically acclaimed Mislaid is a bitingly funny yet heartfelt exploration of family through the eyes of a recent MBA graduate who returns to her recently deceased father's childhood home only to find it occupied by a charming group of pro-smoking squatters. Nicotine was called by Booklist a "heady, witty novel" that "traverses diverse perspectives and intentions, offering rich explorations of the characters' varied conflicts and subversive lives." Get the egalley here.
Intimations by Alexandra Kleeman
From the celebrated author of You Too Can Have a Body Like Mine, this new book is a thought-provoking, often unsettling story collection that consists, broadly, of narrative diagrams of the three main stages in a human life: birth, life, and death. From Booklist, "Kleeman thoroughly owns her material, and her inventive collection offers a prodigious exploration into distinctive realms." Get more details here.
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Thursday, September 25, 2008
4 comments:
- Sheri said...
Ohhh la la!!! I relaly like the colors on the blog face now!!!
Great poses too:)
- September 25, 2008 at 7:16 AM
- Ree said...
My--she is quite the lil' HAM!! TOOOOO CUTE!! Oh--and LOVE the matching bow!!!
- September 25, 2008 at 8:42 AM
- Emily said...
Adorable, as usual. I'm w/ Sher- love the new look!
- September 25, 2008 at 2:37 PM
- Devin said...
Ooooohh! Love the new look! I came from your other blog to see the the 'cutest pics ever' (they're great by the way!) and I love the colors here!
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