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One thing we do have in common is music, and in particular, musical theater. One relevant passage recently crossed my mind from Dear World, score by Jerry Herman, book by Lawrence & Lee, based on Jean Giraudoux's The Madwoman of Chaillot.
Constance: Suppose I were to say your pearls were false...
Countess: They were, they were.
Constance: I'm not asking what they were. I'm asking what they are.
Countess: Surely you must know, when you wear pearls, that little by little the pearls become real.
|La Lansbury, avec les perles.
In genealogy, too often one finds people "researching" with their hearts and not their minds, perhaps hoping--contrary to evidence--that little by little the ancestors will become real. I recently discovered this anew....
I have some Mayflower progenitors (about whom I have posted previously) and have been planning a road trip that would visit the New England haunts of some of my Yankee ancestors, including those Plymouth folks. Stephen has made noncommittal noises at appropriate intervals whenever I've talked about it. I thought that digging a little deeper into his family's past might yield some New Englanders as well (and buy-in for the trip), so I began.
I followed his mother's paternal line, as that seemed most likely, and it quickly became promising. Then I came to his fifth great grandparents: Levi West (27 Apr 1760 - 23 Dec 1808) and Bathsheba Rider (1760- 20 Apr 1805) --I wish I could say I was making up these names--and there it was: Levi was the son of Amasa West (27 Mar 1704 - 17 Jul 1776) and Amy Hatch (10 Oct 1713 - 9 Aug 1756). Amy Hatch! The daughter of a Delano, the great-great granddaughter of Richard Warren, of the Mayflower! And what's more, Richard Warren (1580 - 20 Oct 1673) is one of my Mayflower ancestors too!
As Cole Porter put it in another musical, "'Stead of landing on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rock would land on them...."
|Not the Mayflower.
Sutton Foster and pals selling "Anything Goes," from the show of the same name.
Photo by Joan Marcus
A cursory glance at dates reveals that the former Miss Hatch died four years before Grandpa Levi was born. So why do so many people (on Ancestry.com and elsewhere) believe it? Because they get to be Mayflower descendants if it is true. (Although I am beginning to think that even that is no big deal; there are estimated to be over four million legitimate--by which I mean genuine--living descendants of Mayflower passengers.) But how did Miss Hatch get connected to Amasa West, who is, in fact, Stephen's forbear? Well, she was his first wife. But a year after her death he married again (documented), this time to Bathshua Gibbs (2 Dec 1713 - ?), making her the mother of Levi West (also documented).
And a little more digging showed that my Richard Warren connection was even more dubious.
So that was a bust. But it turns out that Stephen and I are related, albeit distantly; apparently the term is "affinal" versus "consanguineal," meaning by marriage rather than blood. Anyway....
John James Rutledge (Sep 1739 - 2 Aug 1823) is a second great grandfather of the husband of one of my paternal second great grand aunts. Huh? Let me try again. One of John's great-great grandkids, Robert Rutledge (1870 - aft 1940) married my great-great grandfather's sister, Clara M Eaton (23 May 1874 - 2 Feb 1961). So now that that's clear, how does this relate to Stephen? John James Rutledge was the brother of George Rutledge (1723? - 18 Dec 1801), who is one of Stephen's maternal sixth great grandfathers.
Like the song says: "Small world, isn't it?"
|Wondering about family relationships?
Ethel Merman in Gypsy.


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"…I tried to grow carrot tops but mine failed. How are yours doing?" – Jessica
Charlotte: About 80 percent of mine have made it so far. I think the trick is to give them a good half inch of carrot as a base so the top has food as it establishes new roots. As you can see in the picture, I need to do some work amending my soil so it's easier for the carrot root to grow downward. Now where is my compost?
"Tulips I bought have stopped blooming. Now what do I do with them?" – Sharon
Charlotte: You can plant spent tulips outside and have them bloom again in a couple of years. Don't cut off the green tops. Let them die back to yellow and fall off. If you can't wait that long, replant bulbs in your garden leaving greenery on top. In fall, give the bulbs a little bone meal mixed into the soil. In a couple of years, you should have tulips blooming again. Around here, most tulips only bloom for three to four years unless the soil is amended with compost. Mice also like to eat the bulbs for winter food.
"How can I control chickweed without poison? Pulling it up is not likely to work in the place where we have it. Another question for the gardening and bee maven: Our backyard borders some woods. The area is kind of shady and there are dead patches there. Thinking about planting something bee-friendly. Any suggestions?" – Bob
Charlotte: Chickens like to eat chickweed so that's one safer option. If you can't easily access the plants to pull them up, pour boiling water on their roots. You may need to repeatedly remove them before you completely clear the area of their seeds.
In terms of shady, bee-friendly plants, clover is a good choice since it will grow in both sunny and shady areas. Other options include violets and self-heal, both which grow nicely in shade. Extend a flower border to make a wide swath to have larger areas of flowers to better attract pollinators than just filling in bare spots.
"None of my daffodils bloomed this year. Do I need to dig them up and throw them away?" – Sandy
Charlotte: Sounds like your daffodil bulbs need to be dug up, separated and re-planted. Once leaves start to turn yellow, dig them up gently so you don't cut through the bulbs or cut them off. You can either allow them to dry, then plant this fall, or get them back in the ground now, which I would be tempted to do. Give each bulb a good 4 inches in between so you don't have to dig them up for a few more years. This fall, also give them a little dose of bone meal to help them store energy for next spring and you should have blooming daffodils again.
"This is a lettuce leaf. Is it big enough to eat?" – Bill
Charlotte: There are a number of different lettuces one can grow at home. Most won't grow the size of grocery store lettuce. When it reaches 4-6 inches, it should be easy to harvest by gently tearing the leaf off at the plant base. Leave the roots in the ground. If weather stays cool, you may get a couple more crops before the plant bolts, or flowers. If leaves taste a little tart or sour, you've left them on the plant too long. Remove and let new leaves grow.
"Why don't you have more photos of you?" -- Julie
Charlotte: Heavens, no, I don't believe in selfies. Seeing what is happening in my garden is far more interesting, don't you think?
Charlotte Ekker Wiggins is a certified gardener sharing gardening tips in a changing climate. Copyright 2014 used with permission by Rolla Daily News and Waynesville Daily Guide. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Contact Charlotte at email@example.com.
Gardening to Distraction: Answering reader's questions - Growing carrot tops
"…I tried to grow carrot tops but mine failed. How are yours doing?" – Jessica

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His age is unknown, but it's probably safe to assume he's a teenager.
From the Dominican Prospect League website:
Aquino was eligible in 2012 but lacked the strength and ability he is presently showing. He has smooth fielding actions with solid average arm strength and runs average (6.9 60 yard dash). Aquino is a switch hitting line drive gap hitter with more pop from the left side."There is also video on the assumed youngster.
Aquino's swing needs a lot of work. His stance is open and his swing looks long in the video. He has a modified toe-tap that I'm sure the Dodger minor-league hitting instructors try to eliminate.
It's hard to scout off one video, but Aquino's swing appears to be really raw and needs lots of refinement.
Aquino appears to be bigger than recent signee Ravel Hernandez, also a shortstop. A move to third base (or another position) could be in his future -- but that's a ways off.
Eric Stephen of True Blue LA did us the courtesy of trying to figure out how much of the allotted $2.9 million to sign international prospects the Dodgers have remaining. His best guess is the team has a less than $1 million rio sign international prospects before the next period begins in July.
Keep the signings coming. This is nothing but good for the farm system.


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Three Rives beats Lady Eddies
Three Rivers swept Edwardsburg in Wolverine Conference volleyball Thursday night.
The Lady Cats spotted the Lady Eddies a 23-16 lead in the first game.
Three Rivers then went on a 7-0 run to take the lead. The Lady Cats won the first 26-24.
"This group of kids has the same composure whether they're up by 10 or down by 10," coach Brandy Stalhood said. "They don't panic. It's nice to see that we can dig ourselves out of a hole."
Check out Corky Emrick's photo gallery from the match here.
Three Rivers went on to take the second game 25-18. Edwardsburg started a run in the second game, but a timeout by Stalhood stopped the Eddies rally.
"We started to really struggle with our serve/receive," Stalhood said. I just reassured them and told them to close it out."
The Lady Cats ended the match in a marathon 29-27 third game.
"I thought this was one of the best matches we played tonight," Stalhood said. "We played pretty darn tough, we did a lot of things right."
Teagan Reeves had 16 kills, 14 digs and six blocks, Hannah Landis added six blocks and four kills.
Carly Nichols had two blocks and seven kills, Kalie Cole had 16 assists and 11 digs, Alexis Brown added seven assists and two aces.
Morgan Roderick had two blocks, Alexis Herbert added nine digs and Molly Hawkins had nine digs.
Constantine falls
Constantine's volleyball team fell in five games to Kalamazoo Christian on Wednesday.
The Lady Comets won 25-18, 18-25, 25-19, 23-25 and 16-14.
"Tonight was one of the most insense games of volleyball we have played," Falcon coach Niki Tulley said. "All of these girls stepped up and battled all night long. We just let K. Christian have a few too many runs at critical moments and it cost us the game."
Jessica Mallo led with 14 kills, 15 digs, three aces, two assists and one block while Danica Lucas added 13 kills, 30 digs and two aces. Lexie Harrison had nine kills, 20 digs, three aces and two assists. Zoe Jones added seven kills and four digs.
Jordan Smith had six kills and three digs, Michelle Smith had eight digs, Kelsey Potter had 17 digs and Cassie Wentela had 40 assists, three aces, three digs and a kill.
"Our defensive game was much tougher tonight, but we had moments of hesitation and stopped attacking the ball," Tulley said.


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DISCUSSION -- Based on quotes from Linda Price
...Naples yellow [is] useful for making flesh tones advance or to
increase illumination.
OK. This isn't one of the portraits in the article. It's not even a portrait. But none of the portraits in the article had Naples yellow in them. In this painting, named "Hecuba's Child," Naples yellow is used to advance the model's left knee. This emphasizes substantial distance between it and the rear knee. Also, for this painting, I used terra verte, the green pigment that I recommend in the article for half tone regions in nudes.
Rebecca Alzofon can be e-mailed at email@example.com
This page created: November 16, 2001
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Real Life at Home: Matt's Converted Garage Design Studio
Finding balance when working from home can be a challenge, albeit a desirable one for most. A freelancer often wishes he or she could just leave work at work, by closing a door to it all, but having a home office is a luxury that one can not usually afford in a small home. Fortunately for my brother Matt, the previous owners of his small bungalow had almost finished converting a single-car attached garage into additional livable space.
When Matt moved in, the remaining projects for the conversion were pouring the footer for the wall where the garage door used to be, installing new flooring, and putting in baseboards and trim. The office was completed at a slow and convenient pace, and thankfully, the completion date conveniently fell around the time Matt lost his office job and began freelancing full-time as a graphic designer.
With housemates (my husband and I) no longer sharing the space, Matt is finally closer to fleshing out the vision of his dream office, complete with functional storage for his design libraries, paper collection, and, of course, wall space for posters and inspiration.
Matt's Design Studio Sources:
- Desks: Ikea
- Shelves: Ikea
- Arcade Fire poster: Tad Carpenter
- Office Chair: Office Max
- Bertoia Chairs: Craigslist
- Sideboard: Habitat ReStore
- Lockers: salvaged from the closed Hoover Company Factory in North Canton, Ohio.
- Bench: antique store
- Letter Hooks: Anthropologie
- Coat Rack: Urban Outfitters
- Record Player art: Urban Outfitters
To take a look at what the office looked like right after the construction was completed, check out the house tour from when the three of us lived together: A Bright & Beautiful Bungalow From An Ohio Trio
For more detailed information regarding the entryway, see this post: A Bachelor Pad Landing Strip: Three Men & Lots of Shoes
Images: Amanda Johnson


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|"0" use default. "Else" the value is ignored.
"0" no transfer pre-delay. "Else" a delay as given by this field in
milliseconds is inserted before the hardware is started when
"usbd_transfer_submit()" is called.
NOTE: The transfer timeout, if any, is started after that the pre-delay has elapsed!
timeout field, if non-zero, will set the transfer timeout in milliseconds. If the "timeout" field is zero and the transfer type is ISOCHRONOUS a timeout of 250ms will be used.
frames field sets the maximum number of frames. If zero is specified it will yield the following results:
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|xfer->nframes = 2;
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ep_index field allows you to give a number, in case more endpoints match the description, that selects which matching "ep_index" should be used.
if_index field allows you to select which of the interface numbers in the "ifaces" array parameter passed to "usbd_transfer_setup" that should be used when setting up the given USB transfer.
flags field has type "struct usb_xfer_flags" and allows one to set initial flags an USB transfer. Valid flags are:
|This flag forces the last transmitted USB packet to be short. A short packet has a length of less than "xfer->max_packet_size", which derives from "wMaxPacketSize". This flag can be changed during operation.
|This flag allows the received transfer length, "xfer->actlen" to be less than "xfer->sumlen" upon completion of a transfer. This flag can be changed during operation.
|This flag allows the reception of multiple short USB frames. This flag only has effect for BULK and INTERRUPT endpoints and if the number of frames received is greater than 1. This flag can be changed during operation.
|This flag causes a failing USB transfer to remain first in the PIPE queue except in the case of "xfer->error" equal to "USB_ERR_CANCELLED". No other USB transfers in the affected PIPE queue will be started until either:
|The failing USB transfer is stopped using "usbd_transfer_stop()".
|The failing USB transfer performs a successful transfer.
"BOF" is short for "Block On Failure".
NOTE: This flag should be set on all BULK and INTERRUPT USB transfers which use an endpoint that can be shared between userland and kernel.
|Setting this flag will cause that the total buffer size will be rounded up to the nearest atomic hardware transfer size. The maximum data length of any USB transfer is always stored in the "xfer->max_data_length". For control transfers the USB kernel will allocate additional space for the 8-bytes of SETUP header. These 8-bytes are not counted by the "xfer->max_data_length" variable. This flag can not be changed during operation.
|Setting this flag will cause that no data buffer will be allocated. Instead the USB client must supply a data buffer. This flag can not be changed during operation.
|Setting this flag prevents an USB STATUS stage to be appended to the end of the USB control transfer. If no control data is transferred this flag must be cleared. Else an error will be returned to the USB callback. This flag is mostly useful for the USB device side. This flag can be changed during operation.
|Setting this flag causes the USB_ERR_NO_PIPE error to be ignored. This flag can not be changed during operation.
|Device Side Mode
|Setting this flag will cause STALL pids to be sent to the endpoint belonging to this transfer before the transfer is started. The transfer is started at the moment the host issues a clear-stall command on the STALLed endpoint. This flag can be changed during operation.
|Host Side Mode
|Setting this flag will cause a clear-stall control request to be executed on the endpoint before the USB transfer is started.
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|If this flag is set the number of frames specified is assumed to give the buffering time in milliseconds instead of frames. During transfer setup the frames field is pre scaled with the corresponding value for the endpoint and rounded to the nearest number of frames greater than zero. This option only has effect for ISOCHRONOUS transfers.
bufsize field sets the total buffer size in bytes. If this field is zero, "wMaxPacketSize" will be used, multiplied by the "frames" field if the transfer type is ISOCHRONOUS. This is useful for setting up interrupt pipes. This field is mandatory.
NOTE: For control transfers "bufsize" includes the length of the request structure.
callback pointer sets the USB callback. This field is mandatory.
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The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge welcomed their first child, a boy, at 4:24 p.m. (local time) Monday.
The 8lbs 6oz baby boy is the first person to hold the Prince of Cambridge title and is the third person in line to the British throne. He is Prince Charles' first grandchild and Queen Elizabeth's third great grandchild.
Early Monday morning it was announced that Kate Middleton was in the beginning stages of labor at the Lindo Wing of St. Mary's Hospital in London. According to a representative for the royal couple, labor was not induced and "[progressed] as normal."
Officials said the Duchess of Cambridge would stay in the hospital overnight and that the baby's name would be announced in due course.
"Her Royal Highness and her child are both doing well," read an official announcement.
British bookmakers favor the names James and George.


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2013 and earlier BMW X5 Lease Questions
x54bd Posts: 1Hello Car_Man,
This is more than a bit embarrassing...
I have been shopping to buy a 2012 X5 xDrive35d, and then I was presented a lease deal that seemed great. I signed on the dotted line only to find out I did not get a very good deal. Shame on me for not doing the investigation first. I ordered the car about a week ago with delivery expected at the end of November. The unit is now sitting in the VPC in Port Elizabeth and will likely be delayed a bit (a few days or more) due to the current X5 35d Stop Sales memo by BMW because of a bolt issue.
Here is the deal I agreed to:
$4500 eco
$1500 holiday
$750 loyalty
The sales guy says he took another 2k off. Thats puts the deal at $59,050
The quoted MF=.00145
Residual was said to be 53%
These seem to be inline with your posts on this matter, though others have said I can get MF=.00125 and residual of 56%
The deal I accepted called for $2500 at signing and $840/month for 36 months.. 12k miles/year. This includes 6% tax.
Using BMWconfig the invoice is $63,365... add $1000 for the dealer/sales guy mark-up and minus incentives = $57615
The BMWconfig tool says the deal (including tax) should be about $2500 at signing and $780/month.
This is a lesson learned. But I am hoping its not to late. Here are my questions:
1) Am I doing the math correctly? Is the deal I accepted $840 based on the terms I described?
2) Is the $780/month the correct number based on $1k over invoice?
3) Are the MF and residual correct? If not, what are they?
4) What is a fair deal for this X5?
4) Can I renegotiate? I have not taken possession yet. Can I say I feel like I have been taken advantage of and that I want out of this deal unless they come down to $780/month? (if this is the correct number.)
I really like the car, and I *don't* want to walk from the deal, but I feel like I've been had. Again, lesson learned. And again, I hope its not too late to rectify this issue.
Thanks very much for your timely reply Car_Man (and/or others!)0
A couple of things don't smell right here:
(1) You "ordered" the car a week ago and it's already sitting in a port? When I ordered our X5d on July 13, it took several days just to get back a production number and slot, another 3-4+/- weeks for the car to queued into production and built. It was ready for pick up in late August, and that was a week ahead of the 6 week estimate I was given when we placed the order. There is no way that you could have custom ordered a car from scratch a week ago and have it sitting at a port today. So what exactly do you mean by "order" - a dealer trade or taking an existing/dealer order vehicle that was already in process? Because if that's the case, you may have a little more leverage than if you actually had the car built to your own personal specifications.
(2) It looks like the price you negotiated is $1,440 over your (new) $1,000 over invoice target. Not sure how that translates into a full $1,440 more in lease payments over 24 months (i.e. $60/moth), but maybe that's lease math (and why I always buy). On the positive side, does that make the eco credit worth nearly $200 per month??
I'm not a lawyer or financial advisor, but I think you hit the nail on the head with the "shame on me for not doing the investigation first". If this is a car that the dealer had coming anyway, I would try hard to renegotiate the deal. But if this was a vehicle that they customized for you - and got a deposit with the order - I wouldn't blame the dealer for holding you to the deal or keeping the deposit. I'm in the middle of an extreme example - negotiating on a brand new 2011 Porsche 911 GTS that was custom ordered 18 months ago and the buyer defaulted. Dealer kept a $5k deposit (way too low), but they have been unable to sell the car since. It's now gone from bad to worse. We are now haggling between the $33k discount they offered and my proposal at $40k off. Either way, the dealer is taking a huge bath. Maybe in your case you could agree to split the difference and chalk it up to lessons learned.0
mackbavarian Posts: 6All - Any thoughts on buying my vehicle out of lease. Have a 2010 X530i due in at end of December. Outstanding condition with only 19.5k miles on a 30k allowance. Purchase price around $35.6k -- Trade in estimate around $37k, Dealer reatil about $42k. Option is to buy or purchase/lease 2013 X5. Any insights would be approciated. Thanks.0
socal59 Posts: 69Mack, make them an offer of $32k. Try different dealers. I did that a few years ago. One dealer would not budge on price other worked with me and I purchased my lease for a reasonable amount. Plus they certified the car, put new tires on it and detailed it.0
mmagoo Posts: 2Thanks very much for your response habitat1...
It was indeed an existing/dealer order vehicle that was already built and on its way to the dealer. Now, if I can just get delivery! Stuck in VPC getting a new bolt!
BTW, I was able to get them down to $780! Thanks again for your feedback.0
Congratulations on getting a better deal - and enjoy your X5d - we love ours. It would have been the right choice for you even at the higher price. Now you can enjoy an extra inner out every month.0
Congratulations on getting a better deal - and enjoy your X5d - we love ours. It would have been the right choice for you even at the higher price. Now you can enjoy an extra dinner out every month.0
rudy1117 Posts: 2Hi Everyone,
I just leased my first BMW - an X5d. I was happy with the price given the eco credit. I ordered it in October and just picked it up yesterday. When I originally negotiated the deal, the residual factor on the three year lease was .57. When I picked it up yesterday, they told me that the residual value had decreased to .53. They said there was nothing they could do about it, that it was set by BMW. They said that they are now producing the 2013s and when I ordered mine in October is was a 2012 and that is the reason for the change. Does this sound reasonable or did they pull yet another fast one?0
sunnyvali Posts: 33They are pulling a fast one on you. The rate it good for at least 30 days and in CA for 90 days. Here is what I would do. Tell them you can't buy the car and will order 2013 later on. Unless you signed a binding contract, your deposit is refundable. The X5 in not in your name yet. The dealer owns it and bought it from BMW. You have no obligation to buy it.
One thing to confirm is that the residual was 57%. It seems high for a 12k/yr lease.
I hope this helps.
*** If you have already leased the car, then there is not a whole lot you can do now ***0
deenx Posts: 31No... they did not pull a fast one.
I tried to lease an X5d this week and the deal was so bad I had to walk out. $1500 margin for the dealer after the Eco-credit and holiday incentives were applied to the invoice. NJ is a very difficult place to obtain a reasonable lease on a BMW.0
snipermatt Posts: 1I came very close to signing on the dotted line for a brand new X5 35d last night (36 Mo, 12K/yr Lease). But after 3+ hours at the dealership, doing my best to wear them down, I decided to walk away with a copy of the deal sheet and think about it over the weekend.
Here are the basic details:
Invoice: $60,270
Initial Cap Cost: $57,000 (post Eco-Credit)
Residual: 53%
Residual Value: $34,606.35
* Trade-In: $4,150
Happier New Year Rebate: $1,500
Drive-Off: $5,650
** Bank Fee: $925.00
** Bank Fee / Doc DO: $116.00
DMV Fees: $471.00
$699.93/mo Payment (Incl Taxes)
* I'm taking it on the chin here, I know. I just can't spend the time to sell my car privately, given my work travel schedule. Plus, it needs some work (a good $1,000 to make it presentable). I'd rather trade it in and be done with it. I'm probably down $1,850 on this aspect of the deal.
** Are these negotiable? The dealership did not do a good job selling me on why these fees exist other than blaming BMWFS ("They need to make money, too").
How would you grade this deal (A-F)? My gut instinct says the negotiated cap cost is strong but the extra fees and low-ball trade-in are weak. Overall though, is this deal a winner?0
Car man, I would appreciate lease numbers on the X5 35i premium 24 and 36 months at 12,000 miles per year, and also any new incentives. Thanks for your help.0
By looking at your deal I would have also walked out. Based on the information present you need to take the $4500 eco credit, $1500 holiday credit, and trade in value from the invoice and work your way up. The price would be $50,120. Bank fee needs to be added and also a dealer profit try anywhere from $500 to $1000. Remember they are making money on your trade in. Motor vehicle fees are standard, but other fees are all profit. I would give only motor vehicle fees and 1 st month up front. I would have to grade your deal as a F.0
Newbie here. More than likely some of my questions are redundant to others but would love some advice.
I currently own a 2011 x5 diesel (white exterior, oyster interior, premium package + running boards).
I am interested in purchasing a new x5 diesel due to the savings being offered. $4,500 eco credit, $1,500 holiday credit, and $750 loyalty credit. I drive roughly 15-17k miles a year, so a lease is probably not my best option. The x5 I just built online came out to be $64,645 with the Sport Activity Package, Premium Package, and running boards. Subtract the discounts ($6,750) and I have $57,895 which should include destination and handeling.
Do I have any wiggle room? I'm not sure what the market up is online? Fortunately/unfortunately my 2011 was a company car and this time it is on me, so the first go round I didn't pay as much attention to the details because it was being covered. Any other cost I should be aware of?
Lastly, my 2011 has 29,000 miles. I'm hoping to sell privately for $44-45k. BMW in my hometown says $40-41k is the best they could do. Any thoughts?0
Welcome to the board and hope I can help a little.
(1) Your $64,645 MSRP must include a few other options? We bought a 2012 X5d with Premium, Sport Activity Package (19" wheels), running boards and BMW Apps. It had an MSRP of $63,875, as I recall.
(2) You definitely have a lot more wiggle room in the price. The discounts you quoted should be subtracted AFTER the dealer discounts the MSRP down to $1,000 or less above invoice. Check Edmunds for those figures, but I would expect the dealer discount to be at least $3,000-$3,500 off MSRP. Meaning that your total discount off MSRP would be $9,750 to $10,250.
(3) There are a couple of costs that Edmunds does not include in their invoice price - MACO and processing fees. For my dealer, those were about $400 total. That still means that you should not pay any more than $1,000 over invoice to the dealer, and then get the benefit of the $6,750 discounts subtracted from that number.
(4) If your dealer is willing to discount the new vehicle to get you a bottom line price of $54,500 (or whatever the correct MSRP is, less $10k+/-), then I think the $40-$41k they are offering for your 2011 w/ 29k miles is reasonable. Especially if your state allows you to deduct that amount of trade in to figure your state sales tax on the balance. If you are in a 6% sales tax state like Maryland, that will save you $2,400+ in sales tax. But, if the dealer was offering $40-41k on a trade that had you paying full MSRP for the new car, that's a terrible deal. Get to the bottom line on the new vehicle first, then negotiate your trade.
(5) If you have the time and live remotely within driving distance of Spartanburg, South Carolina consider ordering a new 2013 to your exact specs through the dealer and picking it up yourself at the BMW Performance Delivery Center. They put you up for a night in the Marriott, you get a full morning on the track and off road course in their vehicles, lunch, factory tour, museum tour, and personal delivery of your new vehicle. It is an absolute first class operation and an experience that you will never forget. It took us about 5-6 weeks from placing the order to having the car built and ready for pick up.0
Thank you so much for taking the time to write me such a detailed response. I initially responded but had one follow up question. As you mentioned, I have looked at the Edmunds TMV and it is showing me three columns 1) Invoice 2) MSRP, and 3) True Market Value. If I am understanding you correctly, and please correct me if I am wrong, their offer (even if I build on bmwusa.com should be no more than $1,000 over the invoice; not the TMV... And this is taking into account MACO and processing fees?
I live in North Carolina, so will need to check on the state deductions for trade in vs sales tax on new vehicle. My initial thought of $40k trade-in seemed ridiculous considering the MSRP, so you have calmed my anxiety and frustration somewhat.
Thanks again.0
capitalst1 Posts: 2What are the money factor and residual value for December on a 2013 X5 Xdrive35i Sport and also a Xdrive50i? 36 month, 10k a year. I would appreciate any feedback on this.0
Well, I should have guessed from your name that you were close enough to South Carolina to do the Performance Delivery Center pickup. Don't even consider buying an X5d off the lot or have it delivered to the dealership. I will never buy another BMW any other way than through the Performance Delivery Center pickup.
Back to your questions, yes, you should use the Edmunds invoice numbers (not TMV) add $1,000+/- dealer profit and perhaps add another $300-$400 for the MACO that is not included in the Edmunds invoice. Then subtract all of your discounts. Have the dealer show you on their invoice printout, what their MACO is; it can vary dealer by dealer and state by state.
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Hi guys-
Can you guys weigh in on how good or bad these terms are.
Lease 2012 35D Sticker 65,295
Invoice 60,105
Negotiated price 60855
Rebates total 6750
Actual car cost 54105
Cash down 5700
includes...725 acq fee
549 first month
400 reg and title etc
450 tax
3576 down payment
Money factor .00125
Residual 54%
Monthly $550.
Price looks good at $750 over invoice. I take it this is brand new vehicle, no demo, loaner, with only delivery miles on odometer? If it's a factory build to order, do YOU live close enough to Spartanburg to take advantage of the Performance Delivery Center pick up?
Can't really comment on the lease terms, as I only buy and haven't shopped leases.0
Thanks for the timely help. It's brand new...on the lot..but exactly what I was looking for...except the sat radio. I wouldn't take delivery in sc solid miss out on that.just wondering if I couldn't get the same deal on a 13....1500 less Eco.....and pick it up in sc0
I don't know if the 2013 X5d's can be ordered yet, but if they can, I would definitely go for it, and do the Performance Delivery Center pick up. Even if you have to pay a few hundred more for a '13 over a '12, it's worth it on resale if you plan to sell or trade inside of 8-10 years and 120k miles. It may take 4-6 weeks for your car to get built, but according to my dealer, even if I waited until mid-late December to order a 2013 M3 and not pick it up until February (coming from Germany) I'd still get the holiday savings incentive.
Check into it. BMW of Silver Spring would probably do a deal at $1,000 over invoice on a 2013 X5d order, if you need to rustle up some competition.0
Actual purchase price ended up right at invoice. I went with the 12...The 13 even with a great price would have been 100 bucks more a month to lease.
Thanks for your help hab....and everyone else feel free to weigh in...I have 14 hours before I sign!!!
I'm not sure why the '13 would be $100 more than the '12? Did BMW drop the $4,500 eco-credit, or some other credit? If you just paid $1,000 more - i.e. $1000 over invoice - that should only translate into about $25-$30 per month on a 36 month lease, unless I'm missing something.
In any event, it sounds like you have a very good deal at invoice on the '12 and given that you are leasing, the fact that it is an one year older model year will make no financial difference to you when you turn in the keys. So I'd say go for it, congratulations and start enjoying the vehicle.0
Thanks H. Between the 1500 reduction in the ECO credit...and the 1000 more over invoice...it shot up pretty quick. Maybe it was 75 a month or something. Plus the guys here didnt want to do it at 1000 right now so I would have had to look around....then travel.
I think im good...always wonder if you couldnt have gotten a bit more though0
So the 2013 eco-credit is down to $3,000? First I've heard that.
I think you did great. At least $1,250 better than I did in July, based upon holiday credit (I had $1,000 Olympic), and I paid closer to $750 over invoice. Congratulations.0
Yeah, down to 3000 on the Eco.0
Should I be paying sales tax on the 6750 in incentives H? Just noticed that line seems odd.
In my deal, the dealer subtracted the incentives before calculating the sales tax on the reduced amount. This was Maryland.0
On a lease they say have to pay state sales tax on the 6750 tht bmw is giving me on rebates. As though its a gift. Very odd.0
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Guest Post: Katie from I Go By Katie!
Next Saturday is my Father's birthday & this year I decided I didn't just want to get him a gift I wanted to do something a little more special to show him how much I care. I've been brainstorming ideas then a few days ago I came up with the one I decided to go with. I started making little plush fabric hearts & the plan is to hide them all over my parent's house for him to uncover. The next time he opens his glasses case or looks in his coat pocket he will find a little reminder of just how much I care. He's a sentimental kind of guy & I know he will be super touched my my gesture.
I am going to be a little sneaky to make sure he doesn't find them all too quickly. I will also be gifting him a mason jar so he has some place to keep all of the little hearts once he's found them. When I present him with his gift I am going to hand him one heart & tell him that every time he finds one to remember how much I love him.
I wanted to share this idea with you because I thought it would be great for any holiday or for when someone you love could use a tangible reminder of your support (Maybe on your son's first day of school when he is apprehensive to leave your side or on the day your husband goes for an important interview). My father has had a tough year & more than gifts I know he is looking for kindness & caring. Sometimes little things like finding a loving handmade surprise in your pocket after having a hard day can make all the difference in the world.
XOXO Katie
45 comments:
- olive green anna said...
lovely idea. thank you for sharing.
wonderful photos and presentation also.
- March 14, 2011 at 11:58 PM
- Christa said...
This is such a wonderful idea. Adorable and touching. I'm sure your father will feel your love!
Thank you for sharing!
- March 15, 2011 at 12:13 AM
- Mdmslle. said...
Your idea is so lovely & special! I am sure it will deepen your wonderful relationship! Wish you an nice and sunny day!
- March 15, 2011 at 1:19 AM
- Alice said...
Sooo cute, am definitely going to think of something similar to do for my Dad when I'm home next- he's my hero.
- March 15, 2011 at 2:38 AM
- Cheray said...
That's such a wonderful gift idea Katie!
It's my Mister's 40th this weekend & I was trying to come up with more handmade gift ideas! Thanks for sharing x
- March 15, 2011 at 3:01 AM
- Anzouya said...
That is SO SWEET! Great idea! I know your dad will be deeply touched! :-)
- March 15, 2011 at 5:16 AM
- Ashley Crenshaw said...
Awesome idea!!! That is so cute!!
- March 15, 2011 at 6:52 AM
- Bonita Rose said...
Love this idea... there are so many uses for these pretty fabric hearts.. tuck them anywhere, make a mobile.. so many possiblities, and something you can make so easily with some fabric and thread! hugs, thks for sharing with all of us!
- March 15, 2011 at 7:13 AM
- Amanda said...
This is a GREAT idea!
- March 15, 2011 at 8:19 AM
- Kel said...
that is so cute Katie!! i love that idea!
- March 15, 2011 at 9:59 AM
- Justine @ Urban Scarlet said...
this is the absolute most thoughtful idea ever. your dad would love it so much!!! xoxo
- March 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM
- nova said...
That is amazing.
- March 15, 2011 at 1:46 PM
- stephanie said...
Great idea!
- March 15, 2011 at 3:48 PM
- kelly ann said...
SUCH a darling idea! Thanks for sharing, Katie! :)
- March 15, 2011 at 7:23 PM
- Asiko Handmade said...
Thats really sweet, now I'm off to read your blog
- March 15, 2011 at 8:52 PM
- Songbird said...
Such a beautiful idea Katie; so heartfelt and sweet! Thank you for sharing :)
- March 16, 2011 at 4:26 AM
- Katie said...
Thank you all so much for your compliments on my idea! I hope some of you will use it too :) The little hearts were so fun to make!
- March 16, 2011 at 2:53 PM
- Katie said...
Lovely idea! My father has also just received some bad news in regard to his health, this would be a great idea to show him how much I love him. Thanks :)
- March 17, 2011 at 10:44 AM
- Jennifer M. said...
Oh how beautiful!! What a great idea. :)
- March 21, 2011 at 2:50 PM
- Hello! said...
What a great idea!! I know two men and two little boys who will be receiving hearts very soon...thank you for the idea!!
- November 28, 2011 at 10:45 PM
- Tam said...
what a wonderful touching idea. I so wish my parents were alive so I could do this. but I WILL be doing this for my husband, fun!
- December 13, 2011 at 8:46 PM
- Kate said...
I just saw this a couple days ago...loved it so much I have already done it (w/a few changes) and blogged about it. Thanks for the GREAT idea, Katie.
- December 16, 2011 at 12:57 PM
- Katie said...
I'm hosting a craft night project link party - I would love it if you would link up this project!
- January 5, 2012 at 12:38 PM
- Arlene (CK) said...
I LOVE this! Good for kids, family, and individuals. I faound it on pinterest and repinned. Thanks. (Sorry to find your blog closed. I think I would have loved it!)
- January 6, 2012 at 5:35 AM
- Bonnie said...
Oh my goodness! This is a fabulous idea! I love it...definitely going to do this for my hubby. I know it will make him smile and it will be fun to plant these things in the least expected places. How fun!
- January 6, 2012 at 5:57 AM
- sunnymum said...
Happiness! I think we'll do this project with the kids for my parents (they live cross-country) when we visit them this summer. They'll have lots of hearts to discover after we've left. (Found you via pinterest)
- January 6, 2012 at 11:48 AM
- Beth H said...
My dad's health is also failing him, and it's hard to come up with things for birthday/Christmas that he needs/wants. This is a fabulous idea and next time I am home I will be taking a jar of these with me to hide around the house for him to find. thank you so much for this inspiration!
- January 7, 2012 at 6:09 AM
- Oh Fiddlesticks! said...
So sweet...love it, pinned it!
Oh Fiddlesticks!
- January 12, 2012 at 8:51 AM
- Amy @ ElephantEats said...
so cute!!!
- January 17, 2012 at 5:47 PM
how do you sew the hearts? i'm not super craftsy, but i'm trying to make this for valentine's day. based on the pictures it looks like i'm supposed to cut the hearts out first and then sew them. are they supposed to be sewn with a machine or by hand? if by hand, is there a special stitch i'm supposed to use?
please help! thank you! =)
- January 30, 2012 at 1:05 AM
- Sandi said...
What a sweet idea! This past week when I was visiting my sister in PA and hubby was home in Michigan I hid little notes to him all over the house. Had I seen this first and had time to make the hearts...what a neat idea!!! :)
- January 31, 2012 at 3:02 PM
Super cute idea. I will be making mine for my husband for Valentine's day. Thanks for the inspiration!
- January 31, 2012 at 4:57 PM
- reeree62 said...
such a nice idea...
- February 1, 2012 at 6:42 AM
- Amy said...
Thank you for sharing! I'm making mine right now for my hubby and my kids! I thought they'd enjoy finding little hearts too! I'm making each "color coded" :) I'm excited!
- February 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM
- Mandi said...
This is the sweetest, most thoughtful valentines DIY I've seen yet this year.
- February 13, 2012 at 7:06 AM
- Rachael's Notes & Creations said...
Simple but so thoughtful, I love the idea of hiding tiny gifts everywhere so that they can be uncovered slowly for weeks to come. How sweet!
- February 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM
What a wonderful idea!! I will do a variation on this for my Mom for Mother's Day.Maybe do something like this for the grandsons too! I was wondering what I can do with the Mason jars that I picked up at the flea market!Thank you so much
- February 28, 2012 at 8:32 AM
what a beautiful idea! thanks for sharing! :)
- July 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM
- Gail @ http://biblelovenotes.com said...
This is such a thoughtful idea and a visible sign of your love. Your dad is a lucky guy to have such a sweet daughter. I think I will use this idea for Valentine's day with my hubby. Bless you!
- January 5, 2013 at 9:07 AM
- Yvearl said...
Very sweet idea! The only problem with doing that in this house, is they would never be found. *sigh*
- January 30, 2013 at 1:18 PM
This is a super special idea. My father just passed away and I think I'll do this for my mom. She could use some love right now.
- January 31, 2013 at 2:31 PM
- Jessica said...
Moorea and Katie,
This is a heartwarming idea! I shared your Remember I Love You hearts with my readers as a part of my 5 {DIY} Valentine's Day Inspirations.
Thank you for the inpiration.
a Shimmering Star
- February 11, 2013 at 10:15 AM
- Silvia Palmero said...
La tua idea è molto dolce la utilizzerò per i miei familiari e la condividerò sul mio blog citandoti come fonte d'ispirazione, spero ti faccia piacere. Grazie dell'idea.
- February 12, 2013 at 3:19 PM
i have made things like this before. it is easiest to cut them out then stitch together with a sewing machine. just remember before u close it up to fill it! hope that helps
- February 13, 2013 at 11:03 PM
- Sunshine Coast Bookkeeping said...
Sweet little girl. Dads are hard to find for gifts but you've got a brilliant idea. A handmade heart shaped stuff.
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I've seen gigantic progress recently, which is serendipitous because it allows me to post positive results in this, the first of our Full Moon diaries devoted to the development of Darkwatch. In the months ahead, we'll offer regular updates (once each full moon -- get it?) on the evolution of our game, as well as spotlight features on the vision of our game and studio, along with commentary from the engineers, artists, producers, and designers who are making Darkwatch a reality.
And, when you combine the targeting and hit reactions of our game, with the many different weapons, enemies, locations, and situations that Darkwatch provides, well, it doesn't take Stephen Hawking to calculate that the emergent possibilities represent
a really big number. In addition to being shot, these guys are going to ragdoll through the air when you blow them up, fall over rails and plunge down to the street with a neck snapping crunch, get trampled beneath the hooves of demonic horses, and expire in even more gruesome (and as-yet top secret) ways. All of which bodes well for the second-to-second gameplay possibilities in a title that is shaping up to be something special. I have a stack of reports and diagrams to back up the theory
but it's an even better sign when our own development guys laugh with bloodthirsty glee when they're blowing zombies apart for the hundredth time. We're on to something.
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- Likelihood of a crash is directly proportional to the importance of a document.
- Likelihood of a crash is inversely proportional to the time left before its deadline.
- Likelihood of a crash is directly proportional to the duration since you last saved.
- Likelihood of you throwing your computer out of the window is directly proportional to the number of times Clippy pops up.
- That's enough laws for now...
In all seriousness, I've written many words in large documents using Microsoft Word. Nowadays, I can use OpenOffice because it's come a long way and really is a decent product (the current v2 beta is very good). However, ever since my never-ending woes with Word during my degree, when I started my PhD, I decided to go and try out Latex. Actually, that's not quite true, I wanted to submit a paper to a journal and it only accepted Latex documents. The deadline was the same day as I found out about the call for papers. I jumped straight into the deep-end with both feet. Needless to say, I had a hard time of it and wasn't Latex's best fan that day. (Lesson: don't try to learn something new in a rush!)
Undeterred, I stuck with Latex and realised that it wasn't so hard after all. There was a learning curve, but for the typical documents that I often wrote, there was very little to learn. I'm very glad I persevered because I wouldn't want to use any thing else for my papers/reports any more. I'm not the only one who's glad to move away from the WYSIWYG world. This article will not be a tutorial for how to use Latex, instead an overview of its benefits and why I think it trumps what word processors have to offer.What is Latex?
In 1978, Donald Knuth - arguably one of the most famous and well respected computer scientists - embarked on a project to create a typesetting system, called Tex (pronounced 'tech'), after being disappointed with the quality of his acclaimed The Art of Programming series. Around 10 years later, he froze the language after originally anticipating spending a single year! Tex gave extremely fine-grained control of document layout. However, the vast flexibility meant it was complex, so by the mid-80s Leslie Lamport created a set of macros that abstracted away many of the complexities. This allowed for a simpler approach for creating documents, where content and style were separate. This extension became Latex (pronounced 'lay-tech').
Latex is essentially a markup language. Content is written in plain text and can be annotated with various 'commands' that describe how certain elements should be displayed. The Latex interpreter reads in a Latex marked-up file, renders the content into a document and dumps it a new file. Therefore, it's not an interactive system that is the de-facto method for document creation nowadays.Separation of content and style
Not the most obvious advantage, possibly because a lot of Word users don't understand why this so beneficial. When producing your Latex document, you are concentrating on the content itself. You introduce structure explicitly by telling Latex when a new section begins, for example, but you don't then faff around trying to decide how the section headers should look. That's done later.
This is opposed to the average Word user, who will immediately highlight a given section header and apply formatting to it: maybe a larger font, maybe underline, etc. The point is that this will then have to be applied to every header manually. Latex is better as it uses a document style. This defines how different elements within your document should look (like Cascading Style Sheets defining styles in HTML pages). If you fancy a change, you only change the style definitions once, then the presentation of the document will be updated automatically. This also ensures a consistent looking document (you wouldn't believe how many stylistically inconsistent Word docs I've read!)
Word does in fact have a similar Styles feature. However, because it's optional, people don't often know it exists. Latex forces you to declare the document semantics (this is a Good Thing!), which is why you can rely on it to produce a consistent looking document.
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Basic guidelines for what should be captured
- Has letters, numbers, or drawings -- YES
- Blank -- NO
- IN DOUBT? See the list below
Should this kind of manuscript page be captured?
- Holes in page -- YES (make sure the regular black or white capture bed is seen through the hole; if in book, place black or white paper underneath)
- Portions of paper missing -- YES (if part of an item with similar size pages, crop to that page size to maintain consistency)
- Otherwise blank page
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- Fronts with address or other text -- YES
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- "Blank" front or back cover -- YES
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Newspaper Clippings
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Other Manuscript Materials
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Should this part of a photo be captured?
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For the final time in 2012, Vancouver Whitecaps FC (11W-12L-9D) will play a Major League Soccer regular season home match on Bell Pitch at BC Place, as Pacific Northwest rivals Portland Timbers (7W-16L-9D) make their lone visit of the year on Sunday afternoon.
The task facing Martin Rennie's side is simple and straightforward - claim a first MLS win over Cascadia rivals Portland this weekend and become the first Canadian club to reach the MLS Cup Playoffs. With the Timbers looking to earn a result to secure the fan-based Cascadia Cup title, Sunday's match should be another memorable chapter in the folklore of this regional rivalry, with around 1,500 Portland supporters expected to make the trip up Interstate 5 to take in this highly-anticipated derby contest in downtown Vancouver.
Sunday's match between Whitecaps FC and Portland Timbers at BC Place kicks off at 4 p.m. PT. Individual match tickets start at $20, plus applicable service charges, and are available at all Ticketmaster Ticket Centres, online at ticketmaster.ca, and Charge-by-Phone at 1.855.6.GO-CAPS (1.855.646.2277). CLICK HERE for more information on Whitecaps FC tickets.
Whitecaps FC's home match versus Portland Timbers can also be seen live on Sportsnet ONE, OMNI British Columbia (Bell TV - channel 254; Shaw Cable - SD channel 8, HD channel 214; Telus Optik TV - SD channel 8, HD channel 617; Novus Entertainment – SD channel 8, HD channel 179; Delta Cable - SD channel 8, HD channel 611; Coast Cable – SD channel 68, HD channel 611), and Bell mobile devices at 4 p.m. PT. 'Caps fans can also listen to Sunday's match live on TEAM 1410 radio and teamradio.ca, starting with the pre-game show at 2 p.m. PT. TEAM 1410 will also have a two-hour post-game show, which will begin following the match at around 6 p.m. PT. Fans can also follow Sunday's match on Twitter @WhitecapsMatch.
It was nearly two weeks ago that the Blue and White gave thanks to their last opponents in Chivas USA for handing them a somewhat unexpected favour. On Thanksgiving Sunday (October 7), The Goats held FC Dallas to a 1-1 home draw - thus setting up the scenario for Sunday's match. With the MLS postseason in clear sight, Rennie's side know it is in their hands to claim the win needed and secure one of the Western Conference's two First Round Knockout playoff spots. With a home record of 8W-2L-6D, the 'Caps will be confident of getting the desired result in front of a passionate, sold-out BC Place crowd.
Rennie will have four players back from international duty to boost his various selection options, with winger Dane Richards likely to be in buoyant mood after helping Jamaica to the final round of 2014 FIFA World Cup qualifying in CONCACAF – known as 'The Hexagonal' or 'The Hex'. Kenny Miller made a pair of substitute appearances in World Cup qualifying for his native Scotland, while fellow striker Atiba Harris (St. Kitts & Nevis) and centre back Carlyle Mitchell (Trinidad & Tobago) saw plenty of action with their national teams during the first round of the 2012 Caribbean Cup.
After playing 90 minutes in last week's MLS Reserve League season finale, youngster Omar Salgado boosts a Whitecaps FC attack that may have top scorer Darren Mattocks available. Along with veteran midfielder John Thorrington, the pair are listed as probable following recent hamstring injuries. With Camilo Sanvezzo in top gear during the home win over Chivas USA, Rennie will have some interesting choices to make for his attack formation on Sunday.
Eliminated from playoff contention by Whitecaps FC's home win over Chivas USA on October 3, Portland come to Vancouver with plenty still to play for this weekend. Beyond the bragging rights of a Pacific Northwest derby match and an unbeaten MLS record versus the 'Caps to maintain, the Timbers – particularly their passionate supporters – want their hands on the Cascadia Cup by earning a second straight league win at BC Place. Portland have not won the fan-based trophy when contested between themselves, Vancouver, and Seattle Sounders FC, and Cascadia Cup success would offer some consolation for what has been a difficult sophomore MLS season for the Oregon-based outfit.
Bringing an end to a six-match winless streak (0W-3L-3D) and earning their first away win of the season (0W-12L-4D) will be required for Portland to win the Cascadia Cup, and the Timbers have always been at their competitive best against Whitecaps FC. Portland will look to striker Bright Dike to lead their attack, with the former University of Notre Dame product's four goals this season coming in his last nine league appearances. The 'Caps will also be wary of the threat that Darlington Nagbe, Franck Songo'o, and Sal Zizzo can pose, with interim head coach Gavin Wilkinson sure to have the Timbers fired up for Sunday's challenge.
Portland will be without defenders Ian Hogg (ankle) and Chris Taylor (hip) for the trip to Vancouver. Former Scotland international striker Kris Boyd is doubtful with an adductor strain.
Sunday's match is the fifth time that Whitecaps FC and expansion cousins Portland have met in MLS since both clubs came into the league in 2011. The two previous meetings this season took place at JELD-WEN Field in The City of Roses. On May 26, the 'Caps earned a 1-1 draw when Mattocks cancelled out Boyd's second-half strike. On August 25, Portland secured their first MLS victory under Wilkinson after goals by Nagbe and Songo'o earned the Timbers a 2-1 home win. Vancouver's Miller scored his first goal in MLS just before halftime.
Sunday's match is also the 73rd all-time meeting between Whitecaps FC and Portland, going back to the 1975 North American Soccer League (NASL) season. Vancouver hold an all-time competitive record of 33 wins, 27 defeats, and 12 draws versus Portland, with Whitecaps FC registering an all-time home record of 23 wins, eight defeats, and three draws. This included 10 wins and 11 defeats versus the Timbers in the old NASL between 1975 and 1982, as well as 22 wins, 10 defeats, and nine draws against the Timbers in the old United Soccer Leagues First Division (USL-1) between 2001 and 2009. In the United States Soccer Federation Division-2 Professional League (USSF D-2) season of 2010, Whitecaps FC registered one win, three defeats, and two draws versus Portland.
There are several player connections between these two Pacific Northwest rivals. In 2008, Whitecaps FC goalkeeper Brad Knighton spent time on loan with USL-1 side Portland when he was a member of New England Revolution. Salgado, meanwhile, trained with the Timbers during the USSF D-2 season of 2010, while Timbers midfielder Charles Renken had a short spell with Whitecaps FC Residency during the program's 2009-10 year. Gershon Koffie and Timbers counterpart Kalif Alhassan have appeared for their native Ghana at the U-20 international level. The Vancouver pair of Mattocks and Michael Nanchoff are former teammates with Portland's Nagbe at the University of Akron, while Whitecaps FC defender Greg Klazura played with Timbers striker Dike at the University of Notre Dame.
Sunday's match is also the final contest in this year's Cascadia Cup competition, with 2012 being the second season that Vancouver, Portland, and Seattle Sounders FC are contesting the fan-based trophy as MLS clubs. Founded in 2004, the competition was conceived amongst the supporters of all three clubs, who were then members of the United Soccer Leagues First Division (USL-1). The Cascadia Cup is awarded to the club that has the best head-to-head record in MLS regular season matches between their Pacific Northwest rivals.
Sitting second at 2W-1L-2D, Portland need a victory over third-place Vancouver (0W-2L-3D) to leapfrog leaders and current holders Seattle (2W-1L-3D) and claim the Cascadia Cup title for the first time in a three-club competition.
Vancouver and Seattle are the two most successful sides in the Cascadia Cup. Whitecaps FC won the trophy in 2004, 2005, and 2008, while Sounders FC won the title as a USL-1 club in 2006 and 2007, and as an MLS outfit in 2011. Portland won the Cascadia Cup in 2009 and 2010 when the trophy was only contested between Whitecaps FC and the Timbers at the North American second division level.
With Sunday being the final home match of the regular season, Whitecaps FC will celebrate Fan Appreciation Day, with events and offers taking place at BC Place. They include a mullet barber shop on 'Caps Kickoff on Terry Fox Plaza to support captain Jay DeMerit's vow to grow the back of his hair until Whitecaps FC qualify for the 2012 MLS Cup Playoffs, with proceeds going to the United Way of the Lower Mainland. There will be food and merchandise discounts, while 28 lucky fans will receive Whitecaps FC jerseys off the back of Rennie's squad after the match. 8,000 fans will also receive a Whitecaps FC toque from match sponsor Kia upon exiting BC Place.
Following Sunday's important home clash with Portland, Whitecaps FC will wrap up their 2012 MLS regular season schedule with a second visit of the season to Western Conference rivals Real Salt Lake on Saturday, October 27. Kickoff from Rio Tinto Stadium in Sandy, Utah, is set for 6 p.m. PT and can be seen live on Sportsnet ONE and Bell mobile devices. 'Caps fans can also listen to the October 27 match live on TEAM 1410 radio and teamradio.ca, starting with the pre-game show at 4 p.m. PT. TEAM 1410 will also have a two-hour post-game show, which will begin following the match at around 8 p.m. PT. Fans can also follow the October 27 match on Twitter @WhitecapsMatch.
On Saturday, October 20, at 9 a.m. PT, all Whitecaps FC supporters will be able to secure their seats at BC Place for the 2012 MLS Cup Playoffs. Should the Blue and White qualify for the MLS postseason, they will secure the fifth and final playoff spot in the Western Conference, and play in a one-match First Round Knockout game away to the fourth-place finisher in the Western Conference standings on Wednesday, October 31, or Thursday, November 1. If they are successful in that match, Whitecaps FC will have the potential of hosting both the first leg of their Western Conference Semifinal series on Sunday, November 4 or Monday, November 5, and the first leg of the Western Conference Championship series on Saturday, November 10 or Sunday, November 11. CLICK HERE for more information on Whitecaps FC single match playoff tickets.


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what do you allow your 8 year old to do??
i am flabbergasted at the things my BIL and SIL allow their 8 yr old to do. She's had her own digital camera since 5 (a nicer one than we have, mind you) and now she has her own cell phone and regularly texts people.
then i read some stories of 8 years olds going out on a date, entering "no getting fat" pacts with their friends, and having their own smart phones and laptops.
so, seriously... what do you allow your 8 year old to do? Do these things sound normal in your household? Or is this outrageous to you, too?
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No, my 8 yr doesn't do any of that stuff. She'd like her own camera and I do allow her to use ours accationally. If we had the money for it, I'd get her one of her own. She's very responsible and would be fine with a camera.
She has no interest in a cell phone. Probably has no clue what texting is - dh and I rarely text. She is always with us or another trusted adult with a phone so we see no need for her to have one of her own at this time. None of her friends have a phone and none of them call each other at all yet.
Dd1 has no concept of body image yet. She is very skinny but doesn't identify herself based on her looks yet. Neither does she pay any attention to others looks yet. And boys are still icky to her - she says she's not going to start dating until she's 27.
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So, no. The only one of those things we allow at eight (I have a seven and a nine year old) would be the camera. My DD was allowed to use my DSLR with supervision and we do have a little P&S the kids are allowed to use. No cell phone, no laptop, no texting, no dates, no "pacts."
My 8 yos are allowed to ride to the neighbour's to deliver eggs. They are allowed to walk in the back bush. They are allowed to "supervise" their younger sibling when I run to the barn. They are allowed to have sleep overs at friend's houses. They are allowed to cook/bake in the kitchen with little supervision. They are taught to use the remote and may with permission turn on the television and borrow a laptop to play a game. But not many of the things you listed.
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Well my oldest is almost 6 and has a digital camera. He's very interested in photography, and actually takes good photos, it's not expensive though, it was my old one when I upgraded. Cell phones though are something that they can have when they can pay for it.
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Dd1 will be 8 on the 2nd. We are thinking of getting her and dd2(5) a digital camara or a phone with a nice camare(will not! be activated! And thinking of this route b/c some cells have nice camaras and we can get them.cheap off craigslist). They both love!! taking pics/videos. They are very creative when it comes to what they use my phones camera for.
As far as a cell that actually calls/texts they can have that when they can pay for it-but we will probably revisit that as they get to their mid teens and start going out without an adult but if we do provide a cell it will be a bare bones version.
We havent even discussed dating yet as they are still years! from going on one. And no unhealthy pacts or clubs.
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DS1 purchased himself a digital camera when he was 8 with saved money. We got him his own laptop for his 8th birthday as he was being required to do school projects involving the computer. Sometimes he has to go online and post on his class blog.
No cell phone. He barely uses his email so I can't imagine him texting. Even at 10.5 he's never been away from an adult with one.
He's a boy and not very interested in girls quite yet. He is health and environmentally conscious and has always been. I could see him making some sort of health pact with his friends about staying strong/fit/healthy. He and his friends were really into "clubs" at age 8. Really all that meant was a groups of friends came up with a name for themselves and played pretend. In my son's case, it was spy stuff.
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My daughter had friends like that for a while. They parted ways by about 2nd grade. But, the two i'm thinking of were little tramps by high school.
One tried to meet up with her "online boyfriend" in 5th grade, but she had told him she was 16, and he had told her he was 18. Turned out she was 10, and he was 30. He was not impressed, and she was scared.... he did stay there with her while he called the police. She continued to chat with people online even after the police took her home and told her dad.
He didn't want to stifle her.
The other one had "dates" by 5th grade. They would get a ride to the pizza place or a movie theater and the boy would pay. I was horrified. SHe was all dressed up and wearing too much makeup.
At that age, my kid still like Pokemon.
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My 7 year old has his own adult digital camera. It wasn't overly expensive, but it was bought specifically for him for his birthday. He really enjoys taking photos and takes very good care of his camera. I was nervous about it, but he was attached at the hip to his kid camera and he had outgrown what it could do. I was tired of him using mine, which is much nicer than his.
He has nothing else listed and will not be allowed to for a very long time. Nothing you said is a shock to me, but it is totally unacceptable and inappropriate for a child of 8, IMHO.
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Re: what do you allow your 8 year old to do??
OP, I don't have an 8 yr old, but I do know an 8 yr old in a family that is close friends with us. And no, she is not like that at all. She is sweet and innocent, and she seems to feel a little self-conscious and awkward about herself. She makes jokes she thinks are funny, but sometimes aren't. We all laugh anyway because we don't want her to feel bad, but it's like 10 seconds later she realizes it wasn't funny and then is embarrassed.... she also asks strange questions.
That's the 8 yr old I know. Seems to be in an awkward phase, but she is totally sweet and loving and innocent. Nothing like what you are describing....
"never get fat" pact is just weird... and actually SAD. to me anyway.
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The Lake-men were the people of Esgaroth upon the Long Lake, south of Erebor. They were a trading people and before Smaug's coming they dealt with Erebor and Dale, and with the Wood-elves of Mirkwood.
The civil leader of the Lake-men was The Master of Lake-town and he was chosen from among the old and wise.
As a trading people, the Lake-men knew the Common Speech, Westron. However, amongst themselves they spoke an ancient form of it, the Language of Dale, which was loosely related to but distinct from the Rohirric. Tolkien "translated" this language by substituting Old Norse (in personal and place names).


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Remarkably, he didn't hang up, so we know he's tough, but what's with the "D'' in D'Antoni? I didn't think there was any.
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The Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra brings all of the sounds of the season to Western New Yorkers. The holiday festivities kick off on Thanksgiving weekend, when the BPO joins Neglia Ballet Artists at Shea's Buffalo for the classic ballet "The Nutcracker." Erin Freeman will lead the orchestra. Audiences can experience this beloved tradition at 7 p.m. Saturday, Nov. 30, and at 2 p.m. Sunday, Dec. 1. Tickets are available by visiting www.sheas.org or by calling 1-800-745-3000.
After its performance at Shea's, the BPO will perform Handel's "Messiah" with the Buffalo Philharmonic Chorus at 8 p.m. Sunday, Dec. 1. Freeman, the new music director of the Buffalo Philharmonic Chorus, is on the podium for this sure-to-sell-out concert, taking place at Our Lady of Victory Basilica, 767 Ridge Road, Lackawanna. Tickets are $20 to $40 and are available at www.bpchorus.org.
'Classic Christmas'
Audiences can experience centuries of Christmas music with "Classic Christmas" at 10:30 a.m. Friday, Dec. 6, and 8 p.m. Saturday, Dec. 7. Ron Spigelman leads a program that spans the entire classical tradition, from the Baroque flourishes of Corelli's "Christmas Concerto" to the Romantic sounds of Tchaikovsky's "The Nutcracker," to the commissioned-for-TV opera "Amahl and the Night Visitors" by Menotti. The internationally known Castellani Andriaccio Guitar Duo, based in Amherst, and the Buffalo Philharmonic Chorus will join the orchestra for this concert of Christmas classics.
Doors open at 9:30 a.m. Friday for complimentary coffee and donuts. At 7 p.m. Saturday, the Buffalo Academy of Visual and Performing Arts Select Guitar Ensemble performs as part of the Community Spotlight program. This program, sponsored by Bank of America, shines the spotlight on a talented local ensemble before select BPO concerts throughout the season.
Joanne Castellani and Michael Andriaccio have served as the artistic directors of the JoAnn Falletta International Guitar Concerto Competition since its inception, and also run the Fleur De Son classical recording label. They have performed at the White House and Lincoln Center, and with orchestras all over the world. Also sought-after pedagogues, they are frequent guest instructors at conservatories and colleges across the nation, and have a teaching studio in Snyder. They will perform Vivaldi's Concerto in G Major.
Australian native Spigelman was the BPO's associate conductor from 2001-05, and is currently music director of the Lake Placid Sinfonietta. He maintains an active guest-conducting schedule. He is co-author of the Sticks and Drones blog at www.insidethearts.com.
'Jingle Bell Jam'
Spigelman returns to the BPO podium the following day for an afternoon of family fun with "Jingle Bell Jam" at 2:30 p.m. Sunday, Dec. 8. With tickets priced at only $20 for adults and $13 for children, it's a budget-friendly way for the entire family to celebrate the season together. Watch trombones turn into horses with the holiday favorite, "Sleigh Ride," enjoy the spirited sounds of "March of the Toys" from "Babes in Toyland," and sing along to the season's most beloved carols. Children can come early and make a card to be sent to Marines stationed far from home and enjoy milk and cookies with Santa after the concert.
'Holiday Pops'
"Holiday Pops" is always one of the BPO's biggest concerts of the year. With Falletta on the podium; Buffalo native turned Broadway star Michele Ragusa as a special guest artist; the Buffalo Philharmonic Chorus; and the region's best young vocal talent, this year's "Holiday Pops" will be one for the books. Concerts take place at 10:30 a.m. and 8 p.m. Friday, Dec. 13; at 8 p.m. Saturday, Dec. 14; and at 2:30 p.m. Sunday, Dec. 15.
Western New Yorkers adored Ragusa in the one-woman show "Bad Dates" at the late, great Studio Arena Theater. Broadway audiences enjoyed her talents in "Young Frankenstein," "Ragtime" and "Titanic," among others. She has sparkled in previous engagements with the BPO, and returns to Western New York to make the season bright.
In addition to its 75-year history of delivering quality choral music, the Buffalo Philharmonic Chorus also has a robust choral mentoring program. Students work side-by-side with the chorus to rehearse and perform a professional-level concert. This year, they've expanded their program to work with three high school choruses for Holiday Pops. The choruses of Barker Central High School and Oakfield Alabama High School will perform at Kleinhans on Friday. The chorus of West Seneca West High School will be on stage Saturday and Sunday.
Participating in all four Holiday Pops performances is the award-winning Vox Caeciliae of Immaculata Academy, located in Hamburg. Vox Caeciliae, led by Kathleen Bassett, made their BPO debut in June, performing Boito's "Prologue in Heaven" from "Mephistofele," and recently sang with the BPO in the "Tribute to Marvin Hamlisch." They were awarded the Gold with Distinction honor at the NYSSMA Zone 1 Major Organization Festival, and recently presented a world premiere piece at the school.
Theatrical-quality decorations make Kleinhans Music Hall festive, and the hall's concessions will be serving special holiday cocktails.
In the spirit of the season, Kleinhans Music Hall is serving as a drop-off point for the U.S. Marines Toys For Tots campaign. Bring a new, unwrapped toy to a concert or to the hall anytime during box office hours to participate. The box office is open from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. Monday through Friday, and from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. on Saturdays.
Tickets for "Classic Christmas," "Jingle Bell Jam" and "Holiday Pops" are available by calling (716) 885-5000 or visiting www.bpo.org. All three concerts will be held at Kleinhans Music Hall, 3 Symphony Circle, Buffalo.


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