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The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.
Bleu Oleander: hi Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Bleu.
Bleu Oleander: hi Bruce .... how are you?
Bruce Mowbray: I'm a bit slow this morning --
Bleu Oleander: beautiful day in sl
Bruce Mowbray: otherwise fine -- working on my second cup of coffee.
Bruce Mowbray: and you?
Bleu Oleander: just making my first cup
Bruce Mowbray: none
Bleu Oleander: hi Arch
Bruce Mowbray: Hood morning, Arch.
Bruce Mowbray: Good.... morning,(sorry).
Bruce Mowbray: fingers not yet awake.
Bleu Oleander: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Bleu
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Bruce
Bleu Oleander: how are you Arch?
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, BBlub
Bruce Mowbray: Blub emits a welcoming bubble to Arch.
Archmage Atlantis: :))
Bruce Mowbray: ... and another bubble to Koya.
Archmage Atlantis: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Has a topic come up yet?
Bruce Mowbray: Nope -- I arrived just before you did, Arch.
Archmage Atlantis: Ok
Bleu Oleander: what topic would you like?
Bleu Oleander: has your 9 sec practice evolved since your time at PaB?
Archmage Atlantis: I've been reading a lot on transhumanism on the various web sites and in the group on SL
Bleu Oleander: what do you think about that Arch?
Archmage Atlantis: No, Bleu, but that's a good reminder to do that as I read. Ty Bleu.
Bruce Mowbray is fascinated by the term "transhumanism". . . but does not have a working meaning for that word.
Archmage Atlantis: Well, the idea is realated to what brought me back to SL in the first place last year.
Archmage Atlantis: I was thinking, now I am disabled, and can't get out much.......what can I do that would have meaning
Bleu Oleander: Transhumanism is an international intellectual and cultural movement supporting the use of science and technology to improve human mental and physical characteristics and capacities. The movement regards aspects of the human condition, such as disability, suffering, disease, aging, and involuntary death as unnecessary and undesirable. Transhumanists look to biotechnologies and other emerging technologies for these purposes. Dangers, as well as benefits, are also of concern to the transhumanist movement.
Bleu Oleander: from wikipedia
Archmage Atlantis: An, not having kids, I thought, what could I do to contribute to the future
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Bleu. [continues to listen intently to Arch.]
Archmage Atlantis: My earlier readings were on evolutionary psychology
Bleu Oleander: good book: Radical Evolution by Joel Garreau
Archmage Atlantis: Transhumanism seemed the closest to what I might do
Bleu Oleander: we had him speak with our group recently
Archmage Atlantis: Which group Bleu?
Bleu Oleander: on what it means to be human
Bleu Oleander: my local salon group in rl
Bleu Oleander: should try to get him in sl
Archmage Atlantis: Yes , that was not part of my career, but it has always been a subject of personal study, what it means to be human.....read lots of books on religion, philosophy, psychology, self-help, scientific findings about how the mind functions
Archmage Atlantis: I will note that on my reading list, ty
Bleu Oleander: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Bleu, how would you personally summarize what he had to say?
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Evolut...4560174&sr=8-1
Bleu Oleander: he talks about transhumanism issues
Bleu Oleander: and how far we should go
Bleu Oleander: he thinks these enhancements will become part of our lives
Bleu Oleander: the ethics issues
Bleu Oleander: will the unrestrained technology bring us to the ultimate destruction?
Archmage Atlantis: ty for the link, Bruce......yes, the ethics issues are of special interest to me
Archmage Atlantis: Pls continue, Bleu
Bleu Oleander: another very good book: Long for this world by Jonathan Weiner
Bleu Oleander: issues of extending life
Bleu Oleander: and living much longer
Bleu Oleander: good ethics discussion
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, that is another important issue
Bleu Oleander: he writes his book around the life of Aubrey de Grey
Archmage Atlantis: Another book for my list :)) - TY
Bleu Oleander: who also spoke with our group
Bleu Oleander: fascinating story
Archmage Atlantis: That's some powerful salon group *g*
Bleu Oleander: yes, we have a good time
Archmage Atlantis: I wish there were something on SL similar......there is sort of, but not exactly
Bleu Oleander: we try to get people to speak in sl .... hard to do, but we've had some good salons
Archmage Atlantis: Might I ask what general area, geographically, your group is in, Bleu?
Bleu Oleander: Phoenix
Bleu Oleander: where are you Arch?
Archmage Atlantis: Nice, I've been to Phoenix.....my ex was from there
Archmage Atlantis: In SW FL, the Fort Myers area
Bleu Oleander: ah also a nice area I hear
Archmage Atlantis: It is
Bleu Oleander: where are you Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: [turning green with envy....] Alaso, very rural southern Ohio. No salons here.
Bruce Mowbray: Alas.
Bruce Mowbray: just cornfields.
Bruce Mowbray: Arch, if it's not too personal, can you describe how your studies of transhumanism are impacting you?
Archmage Atlantis: Been there also, and you're right about that.....not near Cinncinnati then
Bruce Mowbray: 75 miles northeast of Cincy.
Bruce Mowbray: 50 south of COlumbus.
Archmage Atlantis: Sure, Bleu....I'll have to give it a moment to think about
Archmage Atlantis: The most significant impact, I think, is how it has broadened my knowledge, and understanding, of the range of possibilites....and of what it means to us as species.
Bleu Oleander: we are in many ways controlling our own evolution
Archmage Atlantis: Ah, the lawnmower service is here :)
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I agree
Archmage Atlantis: The power to manipulate our own DNA is a major change.
Archmage Atlantis: We have just begun, and the Pandora's box is now open and can't be shut.
Bleu Oleander: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Do you feel, both of you, that DNA engineering is more powerful an influence on evolution, say, than genocide. . . war. . . natural disasters (like tsunamis, etc.)?
Archmage Atlantis: That is happening in conjunction with the rapid development of tech
Bruce Mowbray: I mean,..... DNA engineering affects one organism. . .
Archmage Atlantis: and the possible AI that may result
Bruce Mowbray: Or perhaps many -- if it's the DNS of disease germs. . . (Obviously, I am not at all informed on this topic.)
Bleu Oleander: hard to know where it will take us
Bruce Mowbray: DNA. How does that become spread throughout the population -- and therefore become a changer of evolution?
Archmage Atlantis: In the past, genocide, war, natural disasters were the major influence
Archmage Atlantis: Now we are being given a chance to choose for ourselves
Archmage Atlantis: Tho those things will not go away
Archmage Atlantis: as major influences
Bleu Oleander: hi Aph
Bruce Mowbray: Good morning, Aph. OK -- but isn't that an individual choice. . . ? I'm still not seeing its impact on evolution (except for changing individuals).
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi
Bruce Mowbray: We're discussing "transhumanism" and its possible effects on evolution of our species and some of the ethical implications of that, Aph.
Aphrodite Macbain: Big subject for morning
Bleu Oleander: using DNA testing to design
Archmage Atlantis: Good summary Bruce
Bleu Oleander: we already do that
Bruce Mowbray: a working definition: Transhumanism is an international intellectual and cultural movement supporting the use of science and technology to improve human mental and physical characteristics and capacities. The movement regards aspects of the human condition, such as disability, suffering, disease, aging, and involuntary death as unnecessary and undesirable. Transhumanists look to biotechnologies and other emerging technologies for these purposes. Dangers, as well as benefits, are also of concern to the transhumanist movement.
Aphrodite Macbain: sounds a little scary
Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Lawrence.
Archmage Atlantis: It is scary at first
Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi
Archmage Atlantis: Hi Lawrence
Aphrodite Macbain: the idea of people designing the human race
Bleu Oleander: hi Lawrence
Aphrodite Macbain: according to their ideas about what would be ideal
Aphrodite Macbain: I probably haven't fully understood
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, at first it sounds like the Nazi plan for a master race
Aphrodite Macbain: well-yes. I didn't want to say so
Bleu Oleander: initially I think it will help control for diseases
Aphrodite Macbain: It must be more than that right?
Archmage Atlantis: But it is happening anyway.....so talking about it is important
Bleu Oleander: but will be used in other ways also
Aphrodite Macbain: yes. How is it happening-genetic engineering?
Bleu Oleander: talking about it is very important
Bruce Mowbray: agrees - about keeping the dialogue open and rigorous.
Bleu Oleander: ethics issues need to be discussed
Aphrodite Macbain: using certain value systems
Lawrence Vyceratops: Well, I, for one, am anxious to have that brain chip that will allow us to calculate at incredible speed!
Bleu Oleander: people should become aware
Aphrodite Macbain: I don't want to be manipulated by a couple of men with a point of view
Lawrence Vyceratops: Peoploe should become aware of everything! The brain chip should also be the internet!
Aphrodite Macbain: sorry- my feminism is leeking out
Aphrodite Macbain: who should be making the decisons about what changes are made?
Bleu Oleander: not just men Aph
Bleu Oleander: everyone as a culture
Archmage Atlantis: I would restate that important observation as "those who are already developing an awareness would serve best by engaging all who are willing in the dialogue"
Aphrodite Macbain: I know. /me realizes she needs alot more coffee before she speaks
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Bleu Oleander: relates to that!
Archmage Atlantis: On my 3rd cup *g*
Aphrodite Macbain: what about those who dond' agree? Do they get a voice?
Aphrodite Macbain: don't
Archmage Atlantis: Yes......imo.......they should have a voice
Bleu Oleander: should get into the conversation Aph
Lawrence Vyceratops: In the future, I'm optimistic that everyone has a voice. Unless we are all blown into oblivion by our most wonderful and cherished nucluear bombs.
Bleu Oleander: lots of ways to be heard
Aphrodite Macbain: I am concerned that history will repeat itself and the "master race" will again dominate. Neitzche would love this
Bleu Oleander: hi Ed
Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi, Ed.
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello
Bleu Oleander: Welcome to Play as Being :) have you been here before?
I continued in IM conversation with "Ed" who said he wished to NOT be included in the log and that he wanted to just sit and listen.
Bruce Mowbray: Would you consider innoculations of children entering school (age 5 - for common diseases - and required for all) to be an example of transhumanism? -- albeit a very primitive and early example?
Archmage Atlantis: If we are, Lawrence, then I feel we ought to leave a record for those who survive or follow of what happened and how it got to there.
Lawrence Vyceratops: As long as our technology advances, I believe it will be more difficult to manipulate the masses. We are beome more informed and it's very hard to manipulate the informed.
Lawrence Vyceratops: I think either we will become more powerful as a people or become destryoed by bombs.
Archmage Atlantis: BTW, Aph, transhumanism is a rather fluid concept at the moment
Lawrence Vyceratops: It will be too difficult for fascist rule as our society become more and more informed.
Aphrodite Macbain: Blub looks like a helicopter in the sky from my position
Archmage Atlantis: And beginning to become more diverse
Bruce Mowbray: Earlier, I asked Arch if he had personal experience with transhumanism - that he'd be willing to share with us (describe for us) here.
Lawrence Vyceratops: I want a robot arm.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Just kidding. My arm is fine. ;)
Bruce Mowbray: OK. But, does anyone have actual RL experience with it?
Bruce Mowbray: more than required immunizations, etc.
Lawrence Vyceratops: No, but I still want that brain chip!
Lawrence Vyceratops: with internet access!
Aphrodite Macbain: What if someone gave you the wrong brain chip
Bruce Mowbray: Need help with workink definition ---
Archmage Atlantis: Only in geneology.....I had my DNA analyzed to trace back where my ancestors came from
Aphrodite Macbain: oh?
Bruce Mowbray: Would a prosthetic device be considered transhumanism?
Bleu Oleander: in a sense yes Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: it's not human - tho it has ben made by humans
Bruce Mowbray: ok, thanks.
Lawrence Vyceratops: I wear glasses.
Aphrodite Macbain: Not good enough
Lawrence Vyceratops: That counts, right?
Aphrodite Macbain: You need to get new eyes
Bleu Oleander: sure in a sense also Lawrence
Bleu Oleander: all enhancements
Lawrence Vyceratops: Phooey.
Bruce Mowbray: but it seems to me that TH is implying much more than our simple tools to see and hear better. . .
Archmage Atlantis: One of the characteristics of humanity in general is that we manipulate things to our own ends
Bleu Oleander: yes Bruce but all a matter of degree
Archmage Atlantis: So, glasses count
Aphrodite Macbain: yes..each of us. And there is no one idea of perfect
Lawrence Vyceratops: agree, Bleu
Bruce Mowbray: ok.... How about if you want to erase the collective memory of an event. . . for an entire society....?
Aphrodite Macbain: who decides?
Lawrence Vyceratops: What?
Bruce Mowbray: supposeyou could implant a chip that would eliminate all memories of such an event...
Archmage Atlantis: That is why the ethics is of particular interest to me, Aph
Lawrence Vyceratops: Erase the collective memory?
Aphrodite Macbain: that would be very frightening.-and it has been done
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, those are the ethical issues I'm intending to raise....
Aphrodite Macbain: removing records, images,
Lawrence Vyceratops: We would have to study memory more. I don't think we fully grasp it yet.
Lawrence Vyceratops: There doesn't seem to be a specific location that a memory resides in the brain.
Bleu Oleander: I think we are already affecting collective memory with history text books
Aphrodite Macbain: it's amazing how people forget. Perhaps that's why oral history is more reliable
Bruce Mowbray thinks of the movie "Ethernal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" in which that technology was employed.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Yes. Time is the best memory eraser.
Bruce Mowbray: for two individuals who wished to forget about their relationship.
Archmage Atlantis: Agree, Lawrence, but there is a lot of good science being done on just that, and on how the brain/body function
Lawrence Vyceratops: But, in the end, they remembered. ;)
Archmage Atlantis: Or relearned
Aphrodite Macbain: layers upon layers. But as I age I start to remember more of the past, although it becomes skewed
Bruce Mowbray: ;-) --- Yes, sort of -- at least they were able to begin their relationship a-new.
Lawrence Vyceratops: I'm sure we could do that without zapping our neurotransmitters haha
Aphrodite Macbain: Must go. Bye all
Bleu Oleander: bye Aph
Archmage Atlantis: Bye Aph
Bleu Oleander: need to go also .... bye all .... have a great day :)
Bruce Mowbray: My point about mass immunizations was -- if we can do that (for everyone - and have been requiring it for decades), then is that not a fore-runner for something else that could be required of all beginners in school (like a particular brain chip that would have them already know words, math functions, spellings, etc.)?
Bruce Mowbray: Bye Aph.
Bleu Oleander: bye for now :)
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Bleu -- have a fine day!
Archmage Atlantis: George Orwell would probably agree with that statement Bruce
Archmage Atlantis: Bye (late) Bleu
Archmage Atlantis: :)
Bruce Mowbray: But, of course, that chip would be implanted in the little buggers' brains with only the best intentions for their welfare.
Bruce Mowbray: and educational advance.
Bruce Mowbray: Near where I live, there are thousands of folks who have opted out of modern society. the Amish and the Mennonites.
Archmage Atlantis: Of course, Bruce, as aborigine children were taken from their families to learn civilized ways in Australia.....overlapping concepts
Bruce Mowbray: The have no TV's, no tractors, no computers....
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Arch ---- Australia's Outback is an excellent example.
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I lived in a Mennoniite town near Philly, and saw the Amish nearby
Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps TH would necessitate at least two social classes -- those who went along with the tchnological "improvements" of what being human means, and those who stayed with the "old ways of being human."
Bruce Mowbray listens to Arch.
Archmage Atlantis: The thing I like about the Amish is they allow their nearly grown children a chance to experience the world outside themselves, and then make their own decision whether to stay in the Amish community
Lawrence Vyceratops: Just the boys, though. right? dont they try to keep the girls? Or am I thinking of a different group of people?
Archmage Atlantis: Both boys and girls, Lawrence
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I understand that in principle. . .
Bruce Mowbray: but recently I talked with a 19-year-old Mennonite chap -- and was almost stunned by the "concreteness" of his language....
Archmage Atlantis: I need to go, ty you all for the discussion and the intelligent company :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: No, I believe I'm correct. I thnk they encourage the boys to leave and the girls to stay.
Bruce Mowbray: By, Arch..
Bruce Mowbray: Have a fine day.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Or maybe it's the Mormons....
Bruce Mowbray: The young man ---- sorry RL phone call....
Lawrence Vyceratops: I think it's the Mormons... who knows?
Lawrence Vyceratops: Wait! I'm on the Internet!
Bruce Mowbray is back.
Lawrence Vyceratops: It's the Mormons.
Bruce Mowbray: anyway -- my point was that the kid was ALREADY so conditioned by language that it would be extremely difficult for him to make an informed and neiytral chice at that age.
Bruce Mowbray: neutral.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Oh, it is difficult for anyone to make a neurtral choice. haha
Bruce Mowbray: He asked me -- in all seriousness -- whether Heaven was between the Earth and the moon, or whether Heaven was beyond the moon.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Haha religion....
Bruce Mowbray: That's just an example of how concrete his thinking is.... and I do believe that is representative.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Absolutely.
Bruce Mowbray: so -- my point is, could persons raised that way really have a fair chance of making a choice about whether to enter modern society?
Lawrence Vyceratops: They require education
Lawrence Vyceratops: I don't think it's fair at all.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Their community has stunted their thinking.
Bruce Mowbray: ---- especially difficult if all the other kids in the society are receiving brain implant chips upon entering school at the age of 5
Bruce Mowbray: @ Lawrence -- So, in order to keep the society's children "un-stunted" - it might be necessary to require all of the kids to have the brain implants. . .
Bruce Mowbray: just to keep things fair and "equal" (like putting floride in drinking water, or requiring certain achievement scores for graduation).
Lawrence Vyceratops: That sounds like authoritarian rule. I don't like that.
Bruce Mowbray: I agree. But we already have it (No Child Left Behind, etc, etc, etc....)
Lawrence Vyceratops: In the future, I think it will be difficult for humanity to survive under authoritarian rule.
Bruce Mowbray: wb, Arch.
Lawrence Vyceratops: yes, but all that is beginning to break down. how much longer will it last?
Archmage Atlantis: Had to pop back and give these 2 references on the Amish
Archmage Atlantis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumspringa
Lawrence Vyceratops: We will have to destroy the internet in order to maintain this system.
Archmage Atlantis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumspringa http://books.google.com/books?id=YMO...page&q&f=false
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Arch.
Archmage Atlantis: TY
Lawrence Vyceratops: religious people....
Bruce Mowbray: mmmm..... but the Internet offers alternatives to mass education. . . (like home schooling).
Bruce Mowbray: It also offers alternatives to religious indoctrination.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Yes, so if the internet continues to connect people, it will be more and more difficult for there to be fascist rule. Which is why politicians are trying to control it now. I don['t think they'll succeed.
Lawrence Vyceratops: But if they do, it will be a dark day for humanity.
Bruce Mowbray: agrees completely.
Bruce Mowbray: Well, folks, this is a very BRIGHT day for my little corner of humanity -- and it's time for me to get out for ahike with my dog.
Bruce Mowbray: May you both have a great day -- and I look forward to seeing you later.
Lawrence Vyceratops: I am hoping that explosion of technology and information will be too much too fast for them to get their grubby hands around it.
Bruce Mowbray: I hope so too, Lawrence...
Lawrence Vyceratops: See ya, Bruce.
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now.
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Stone quarry to law school, shanty to IBM, chawl to medical school — the latest stories of young people climbing out of poverty show us how the old India can become the new.india Updated: Jul 16, 2011 23:41 IST
Karthika Annamalai, 19
Has cleared the national Common Law Admission Test
Father: murdered Mother: quarry worker
Marenahallibunde (Karnataka): There are three things Karthika Annamalai misses at home — a bed, a toilet and English.
Home for the slim, articulate 19-year-old is the village of Marenahalli Bunde, an untidy collection of unpaved lanes, rudimentary open sewers and one water source on the windswept eastern edge of India's technology heartland, Bangalore. There are two "rooms", each smaller than a ping-pong table; the flooring is cowdung; the roof, dried coconut fronds; the walls, four granite slabs slammed into the ground.
The toilet is the great, smoky outdoors, its Dickensian gloom rising from fires and stone dust in the vast quarry (Bunde is Kannada for quarry), seven-storeys deep. Once a forest, the quarry feeds Bangalore's unending building boom and sustains the village of about 500 migrants from Tamil Nadu, one invisible drop in the ocean of 300 million internal migrants seeking better lives. At night, six of the extended family squeeze together and sleep on the cool floor. They speak Tamil and a smattering of Kannada.
"At school I had my own bed, I had a toilet and I spoke English," says Karthika, who last week moved to the sprawling National Law Institute University in Bhopal from her boarding school for poor but gifted children in rural Tamil Nadu. "It was tough when I went home. I was often homesick for school."
As Karthika prepares for her new life as a law student, she is acutely conscious of the poverty and people she left behind. "I think power is very important to do anything in India," she says. So is money. "Before politics I need to make some money. Corporate law should allow me to do that." Her real ambition is to join politics before her 40s and — she says this with great seriousness — to be Prime Minister. Back at the quarry, she is a fulcrum of inspiration. Every child is in school, and mothers gather around me to say they dream of their daughters (there is no mention of sons) being like her.
Her ascent from family shack to national prominence — television crew came visiting when she cleared the nationally held common law-admission test — reveals the role that parental sacrifice, individual determination and, often, chance plays in the climb out of poverty.
Karthika's chance came when she was four years old. On the advice of nuns from a local nunnery, her mother Palaniamma, took Karthika to Shanti Bhavan, a boarding school started by Abraham George, a former army captain, author, and philanthropist.
"It hurt me a lot, to leave her," says Palaniamma, a sun-baked, silent woman (Karthika says her mother "closed up" when her father was murdered 15 years ago) who utters her first sentence an hour after our visit.
"Shanti Bhavan is the best thing that happened to me," says Karthika. "Otherwise I would be married like my (elder) sister or breaking stones like my mother." Palaniamma earns Rs 40 on a good day, working 6 am to 5 pm at the quarry. For two years, 1st standard to 3rd, Karthika was the only child at Shanti Bhavan who never went home. Her mother could not afford it. Later, they met twice every year.
"My mom and I, we don't talk much," says Karthika, who also has two brothers, the elder dropped out of school to help his mother at the quarry; the younger studies at a local school. While at school, Karthika met Palaniamma twice a year. "I really care about her, her sacrifices, but I do not know her that well. When I was younger she used to cuddle me. Now, when I call she only asks if I am eating properly, stuff like that." She pauses. "But I know she loves me."
— Samar Halarnkar
Sunita 17, History student at Sri Venkateswara College
Anita 15, Class 10 school topper
Father: jal board worker
Mother: domestic help
New Delhi: The sisters studied under the toilet light so that other family members could sleep undisturbed in their one-room quarters. Now their parents can't stop raving about their "bright" daughters.
There is a flurry of activity at Professor HN Gupta's residence at the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Delhi campus. His domestic help Lakshmi's neighbours are over, drinking tea with them, to celebrate her daughters' achievements. While Sunita, 17, has got admission to History Honours at the prestigious Sri Venkateswara College, Lakshmi's younger daughter Anita, 15, has topped her school in the class ten board exams with an A1 grade.
Even as Lakshmi appears overjoyed, her husband Ram Bahadur oscillates between happiness and bewilderment.
Initially the sisters faced stiff opposition from their dad — a Delhi Jal Board employee — who believes education is a waste of time and money since the girls have to be married off anyway. "He used to create a fuss during their exams. He doesn't want Anita to take up computer science in eleventh saying he can't afford to get her a computer or pay for coaching classes," says Sneh, Professor Gupta's wife. "Every student knows the basics, it's tough to study computers without one. It was disappointing when papa didn't support us," says Anita. "She used to get upset and cry in one corner, thinking she would flunk!" says the elder sister. Their mother says she's ready to sell off whatever jewels she has to pay for a second-hand system and coaching classes.
Apart from the disturbing familial bickering, the girls have not had it easy otherwise too. "Since bhai and parents had to sleep early, we would try and study as much in the day-time and in the nights, switch on the toilet light and sit there. Also, we are both used to walking back and forth while reading and learning, and there isn't much space to do that, it was quite crazy," says Sunita.
"Despite the hardships, the girls have managed what children from more privileged families don't," adds Mrs Gupta.
Apart from academics, expressive Sunita is a trained Bharatanatyam dancer, loves theatre and has won dozens of certificates at school level apart from the best student award in class 12. She wants to be an archaeologist when she grows up. "I want to make documentaries," she says. Meanwhile, studious Anita wants to become a software engineer and is focused on making the IIT entrance. "We have always lived in IIT since our parents have worked here. I want to crack the exam so we stay on," she smiles.
Apart from their parents, the girls' achievement has made the family they stay with proud too. As Sneh Gupta goes in to get apple juice for everyone, the girls shyly swing their feet sitting on the Guptas' living room sofa.
The sisters enjoy trolling the "shiny shops" in Delhi's malls. "We can't buy anything since it's all so expensive, but it is fun to roam around since it's all air-conditioned."
— Shalini Singh
Mumbai: As Smita Mahadik, 21, walks in to her brightly lit, plush IBM office in Pune, she often fondly remembers the nights she spent studying on the wooden loft of her shanty.
Every monsoon when water flooded their home she would quietly climb up to the wooden plank straddling on one side of the room to keep her books safe.
"I would either be in school or studying on the loft," she said. "Studying was my life."
Life was difficult then. Her father Vijay, then 40, was earning Rs 1,800 a month as a peon in a private firm. Her mother Laxmi, a housewife, spent her time cooking and cleaning after her dozen-strong family members that included various cousins, all of who shared a 100-square-feet room in a Prabhadevi slum. In 2004, Smita topped the state board exam in the Mumbai municipal school category by scoring 89.6%.
"It was the best day of our lives," she smiles, "My parents were proud. So many relatives and politicians came to visit me. My photograph was printed in the papers."
But college only added to her problems. The family had no money to support further education. "Let alone education, I had barely enough to feed my children," said Vijay, who now earns Rs 6,000 as a peon.
After her board result, Smita received Rs 50,000 in prize money from government and charitable sources, which went towards her junior college fees at Ruparel College in Matunga and for the first year of engineering college.
"But I had enough to pay just the first year's fees," she said. "I knew I might have to drop out any time." So Smita started teaching young children in her first year, earning Rs 2,000 in all. At the start of her second year, Smita was Rs 20,000 short of the Rs 50,000 annual fee. But a government scheme for scheduled castes and tribes came to her rescue, allowing her to pay one-tenth of the fee until the final year.
Money wasn't the only challenge; she suddenly had to function in an English-speaking world. "I would stare at the board all day, trying to make sense of what was written there," she said.
Katalyst, a non-profit programme that works towards empowerment of women helped Mahadik with financial assistance and trained her to face interviews.
By the time this scholarship student at the Sardar Patel Institute of Technology in Andheri finished her computer engineering she had offers to join Infosys Technologies and IBM as a software programmer – each offering her a six-figure annual package that is three times her father's salary. Last month she took up a job at IBM, Pune.
"My daughter is half my age but earns much more than me," her father says proudly, "It is all her hard work. I only studied till class VII. I could never guide her."
Now, a few cousins from her village near Ratnagiri have moved in to their one-room-kitchen flat in Prabhadevi that was developed under the government slum rehabilitation scheme last year. All inspired by Smita's success, they plan to follow her example.
But this isn't the end of Smita's journey. While she has been paid a nominal amount for the first 15 days at work, Smita hasn't spent a penny. Most of it will reach Mumbai to support her family. "I have a family to support. I still have to finish my higher studies," she smiles, "There is still a long way to go."
— Radhika Raj
Vivek Tiwari 19,
Medical entrance topper, Maharashtra
Father: autorickshaw driver
Mother: housewife
Mumbai: He practised physics theorems and chemical equations with the TV playing on full
volume. Even the constant presence of nosy neighbours and relatives into his one-room house in a Mumbai chawl didn't distract Vivek Tiwari.
"I was so accustomed to the noise and activity in the room that I couldn't study in a quiet place," said Tiwari, 19, who topped the Maharashtra Common Entrance Test, which determines entry into medical colleges in the state, in his second attempt this year, scoring 195 out of 200 marks.
"Considering my preparation, I knew I would be among the top 10. But getting right at the top was still a huge surprise."
Ten years ago, his father, Premshankar, 43, lost his well-paying job at Standard Mills, and took to driving an auto rickshaw. "It was a difficult phase because my mother had a major accident during the same period, so we exhausted all our savings footing the hospital bill," he said. "It was back then that I decided I wanted to become a doctor, and cure my friends and family for free."
Driven by the dream to buy a bigger house for his family and to be referred to as the "world's topmost neurosurgeon", Tiwari began preparing for his exams in October 2009. Hoping to do well in both his Class 12 board exam and the medical entrance he spent six months studying more than 15 hours a day. At the end, he scored 90.33% in his Class 12 exams, and secured the 799th rank in the entrance test — his first attempt.
"With my rank, I would have had to move out of home and live in a hostel in the interiors of Maharashtra," he explained. "My father would have had to incur a lot of additional expenses, which he said would be very difficult to fund. Knowing that I had the potential, my mother convinced me to take the entrance exam for the second time this year. Local tutors gave me private classes for free and ensured that I stayed calm throughout the preparatory year."
When the results were declared on June 14, he went wild, his neighbours taking his screams for a family fight. "Because I don't have a computer at home, my tuition teacher checked my results. When he said I had topped, my friends and family began to squeal, alerting my neighbours, who came running to our rescue," he said, grinning. People in the chawl have already begun calling him "doctor sahib." "Earlier, it used to take a lot of effort to convince my mother to make aloo parathas," he said. "Nowadays, I don't even need to ask."
— Reetika Subramanian
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Andrew wrote in [OPE-L:2740]:
> Becker recognized that this
> would enable neoclassicism to explain everything and therefore explain
> nothing, and he unflinchingly chose to pursue the opposite path of pure
> economic determinism by refusing to acknowledge changes in preferences,
> thereby making agent's behaviors determined solely by exogenous factors (with
> no *self*-determination).
I think that the standard Left "critique" of Becker seems to boil down to
two propositions (both true): his work represents an extreme form of
economic determinism and it is transparently reactionary. What I gather
Patrick and Andrew are saying in part is that this is not sufficient. I
agree with them. Perhaps part of the problem is that we have to (re)learn
what the meaning of critique is. We have to learn, as Andrew says, to take
ideas seriously *even when* those ideas represent a reactionary
I think we have had a few other discussions on OPE-L where the issue of
how we critique "standard" economic theory has come up, most notably, in
an exchange we had a few months back regarding "bourgeois economics" (in
which Riccardo made some relevant comments).
What might not be appreciated sufficiently is the way in which a critical
evaluation of ideas can lead to the development of alternative
conceptions. That is, I think Marxists frequently see the task of critique
only negatively as demolishing other perspectives rather than surpassing
those perspectives with more coherent explanations via the process of
engaging other perspectives seriously. A related problem might be that many
Marxists historically have substituted polemics and rhetoric for
critique. It's a lazy practice, IMO, which we need to move beyond.
It has been very easy for the Left to simply dismiss Becker's work, but,
in so doing, we (as Patrick suggests) have failed to develop coherent
theoretical explanations for a number of important issues of particular
importance to working people, e.g. education, crime, the family,
discrimination, etc., etc..
Maybe something that helps is when we keep each other on our toes by
challenging ourselves and others to be less assertive. In a number of
instances that I can remember listmembers have challenged me in this
manner and I think I have benefited from that experience.
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__/ [ Larry Qualig ] on Monday 06 March 2006 15:47 \__
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>> http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/3517/106/
>> In a nutshell, OO is said to be 10 years behind.
>> Why do Microsoft even bother to comment about the competition? I direct
>> the question at Larry.
> I'd be happy to answer the question but the site appears down. Short
> answer - can't view the page.
I tried two Slashdot mirrors. None of the two which I am familiar with
managed to snatch a copy off the server before it had been knocked out of
commission. I am not convinced that the article in its entirety is re-
quired for an answer, so allow me to say this:
* Someone who hijacked this thread received 6 direct responses (and count-
ing). If only Linux advocacy got fed more often. My question was not an-
swered, but instead I was lynched by an arbitrary and capricious, of-
f-the-arse FUD attack. Does this provide an explanation as to why threads
are led to Microsoft products getting bashed? Get that Funkenbusch off
this list as he doesn't belong here. He is nothing but off-topic nuisance.
* Can you answer the question above knowing what it generally alludes to?
* Can you defend "Get the facts" campaigns? What about some of the racist
and stereotypical comments made by Microsoft's CEO?
My point is but one: both sides play the dirty game once there is invoca-
tion and provocation. It comes from _both_ sides, so never play naive or
never turn into a drama queen. As I said before, why not filter /C.O.L.A./
as means of straining it to its quality? There is plenty of garbage here,
but many insightful minds too. There are hundreds of daily posts. Select
the ones that suit you better. Don't be impulsive and use careful judgement
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The United Nations chief prosecutor, Carla del Ponte, has confirmed that police in Geneva have arrested a Rwandan priest suspected of involvement in the 1994 genocide. Emmanuel Rukundo was one of three indicted war crimes suspects detained in a coordinated Europe-wide operation.
Del Ponte was speaking at a press conference in Geneva hours after the local authorities responded to an arrest warrant issued on Wednesday by the International Tribunal for Rwanda in Arusha, Tanzania.
She praised the speedy and efficient manner in which the arrests were carried out, and the close cooperation of the countries involved.
Rukondo, a former army chaplain, has been working at a church in the Geneva parish of Grange-Canal for a number of years. He is accused of drawing up lists of Tutsis, which the Hutu-dominated military used to identify their victims.
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Walpen, a former Geneva police chief, played down the fact that another member of the Rwandan Church had been arrested in connection with the genocide. He said the Church had played a "mediating role" in the conflict and that those priests who had been indicted had acted as individuals.
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The three suspects arrested today bring to 50 the total number of people in the custody of the Arusha tribunal. Some 200 suspects are still at large and are wanted by the tribunal, about 30 per cent of them in Europe. Of these, most are in Belgium, France and the Netherlands.
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