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One day we will reach triple digits and that day will be a glorious one.
And FUNimation will still have no concept of spoken English.
Lmao. Dark_Sage, pls. When using too much size it fucks shit up.
i miss xythar ;)
seraph of the drama review when
and y this not transparent on recent comments section
I don't have Tengen Toppa archived for some reason, any opinions on whose subs to hunt for?
All of them? Not like ripping subs from inferior encodes and muxing them to better ones is all that difficult.
I'm not sure I understand, are you suggesting I hunt down every translation, rip out the lines, find the best video, and paste in line by line whichever lines I think are best for each sentence of dialogue?
I'm just asking who had the best translation here :-/
The R1 subs (the ones on the BDs) are perfectly fine. I went with the EG release when I was rewatching TTGL the last time and found no issue with the encode either. CBM should be fine too.
There was this Kro fella who put Order subs on a BD video and released them under the tag [Nostalgic], but he only reached ep8 before disappearing…
I've recently seen your MAL, are your scores faithful to your opinions? I don't see many people giving Ergo Proxy '9' and Berserk '2'.
What program is used to edit subtitles, and how hard would it be to go in and correct a typo I found in a show I archived without messing up complicated things like font or timing?
Notepad, but first you gotta extract the .ass sub file.
Just go get MKVToolNix (Google is your friend) and use mkvextract (or "MKVExtractGUI") to get the subs out. Then use notepad to correct the typo and mux the subs back in using mkvmerge (or "mmg" as in MkvMergeGui).
It may sound complicated, but it's super easy.
I still have the feeling it will get better.
Ep1 was crazy and 2-4 they were just throwing information at your face and building the plot to something bigger, and that's clear as water.
And more than that, the show is funny enough to entertain anyone, it's not just ecchi.
ps: this was supposed to be a reply to d_s comment right above
I made some fansubbers mad by pointing out how shit they were. Will you tell me how proud of me you are and come to my ball game now, D_S?
Did DDY just sneak in a TL note?
Yes. All the names are jokes and that one was an easy one to explain via typesetting. So we went with it.
but how does that retain the humor at all
why not just localize it
plus if you do then you get a 10/10 brother bear meme :^)
watched full context on that and it works better than the screenshot indicated
my bad
So funimation strips honorifics and the like to localize their releases as much as possible, but then does this?
Non-Funi versions of Arslan are in trouble. Fedsubs is taking a one-month break, Kaitou hasn't released an episode in weeks and even the mentally-challenged person behind Senketsu Subs isn't ripping subs from the Funi version. Who will save us from Funimation?
a better taste?
A better taste of what? Chicken? Mashed potatoes?
A better taste in anime, I believe he is saying. Though I myself don't watch this show, so I won't comment.
And yes, the person behind Senketsu "subs" is the great LadyMatoiRyuko, who is one annoying individual, and indeed, probably is mentally challenged, if her mannerisms are anything to go by.
Yeah, I understood him. I was just mocking him for the whole childish, "you watch a show that I don't like, therefore I believe your taste in animated television shows to be inferior to mine" nonsense that we all see so much.
>taking it seriously
Dear D_S,
is there a resource on comma rules in the English language that you would embrace, i.e. a resource that an ESL person can trust?
My Oxford Dictionary (book) only acknowledges that commas exist, whereas my country's high school taught to not use them, presumably, because no teacher has any clue either.
I've noticed this entire issue seems to be of some importance in your reviews.
Given the comments in a certain recent post, I think it's time for another post about fansub donation drives. Am I right?
I wonder how many people outside US get this joke.
I, for one, felt kind of lost on that. I asked what that is all about, and I learned it was the company's catchphrase. herkz explained that the original line and theirs are almost identical in terms of the intended joke. But alas, nobody would ever understand that if you're not living in 'Murica.
Okay, PunchLine DEFINITELY got to the point I was waiting for.
The genetically superior W are trying to take over the world and they use German words like Uber. I seriously wonder what this is a reference to…
to the most kawaii kaiser ever, who else
Kaiser Reinhard? http://a.pomf.se/nzvksw.jpg
Hey D_S, ever tried SVP to watch 60/120 fps animu?
It looks like dogshit unless you like seeing artificial frames http://a.pomf.se/dyezxd.jpg
It's not bad for live action stuff, though.
You have to follow this guide: http://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Watching_anime
SVP is not optimal for anime, because the contours are too sharp. Like jabashque pointed out you have to disable some stuff and then you end up with only pans and zooms in 60fps.
I think it looks better with SVP but to each their own. (btw it also doesn't work on toasters)
I thought you couldn't use madvr while using SVP, or is that incorrect?
You can, all that's needed for SVP is ffdshow raw video filter in MPC.
EDIT: oops meant to reply to anon above about SVP and madvr.
I've no idea what will happen with the TS if you enable MadVR's smooth motion since I don't use it, but using the filter, before the subtitle rendering for sure will ruin every single sign.
I use it and don't seems bad. AFAIK madvr smooth motion does no interpolation.
You are correct about madvr's smooth motion. And yeah I use it too and it doesn't mess with typesetting, though I imagine svp would
can som1 confirm this is fo real http://i.imgur.com/syGfjgW.jpg
It's pretty real.
funi is saving fansub
*slaying FANSUB, saving anime
that's domo
http://i1.someimage.com/YSCBgor.png Perfectsubs™
What show is this?
hi, since fff seem to have dropped yahari, could you forget about them and review it?
pretty please with sparkles and glitter :)
Maybe he'll review it when they show an episode of Commie's Yahari at some gay anime con
Hey Dark_Sage, you're constantly lamenting how anime is no longer relevant and fansubbing is dead, why not take us back to a happier time?
In the past I would just archive Coalgirls/THORA, when I found your website a few months ago I became a little more selective, I have at least one show I archived the horriblesubs tv version of because everyone else chose to add inferior subs to the BD raws.
Why not give us an article on all the shows/subs you thought were worthy of being added to your archive. Even if it's just a set of print-screens of all the file folders? I trust your judgement; no analysis necessary.
>I have at least one show I archived the horriblesubs tv version of because everyone else chose to add inferior subs to the BD raws.
I hope you're not talking about FFF's NouCome
I certainly hope he did because I did that and plan to add many more HS to my archives if the subs are good. DameDesuYo, Underwater, and Doki are the only three I seek these days depending on the show and can tolerate any added liberal lines. Get's to a certain level of annoyance, dropped. I detest the rest.
Is this trolling?
Look, D_S, someone started releasing HD episodes of that pretty decent Kana Ueda show you're so obsessed with: http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=696710&showcomments=c1d8ba2f
I thought vivid had a better encode :/
At least we now know Vivid don't bother QCing their releases. Sure their hopeless TLC and their Junior High editor's lingo might slip past QC, but even a half blind retard could see that that scene is fubar.
You sound like you really dislike Vivid.
No. I dislike how they've handled this show. I mean, I absolutely adore Vivid's Gochuumon, for example.
But this abomination, ugh. There's been examples of errors introduced during TLC, and the script reads like bad teen fiction. And now we see the encoder is too lazy to check the source video, and they as a group don't collectively have enough pride in their work to quality check the final product.
Vivid has gone from being a welcome relief to the fansub scene to Commie Jr. It's a fucking shame. And only by being vocal about it will Xythar take heed and pull his head out of his ass, though all he'll probably do is cry on his twitter feed some more.
You should never expect to hear from Xythar anywhere to be honest. He'll only whine on his twitter where you can't respond, or talk to you in a situation where he has power and numbers (such as nyaa where he's a moderator, or Vivid where his butt buddies are there to support him).
He's honestly nothing more than a coward.
You could just join a channel on IRC he's in???
He talks everywhere.
The sky is blue.
What is this, 4chan where people just go >irc?
No. I could go into a whole thing about how if you talk to him on IRC he'll have a whole bunch of friends there to gang up on you, but I've simply decided that it's not worth my time to argue with you as you simply disagree with me for the sake of disagreeing.
So I'll simply say "The Sky is Blue" because you'll argue about it being grey whenever you bother to argue with me.
You could just PM him.
Maybe you being this bad at problem solving is why your releases are always so bad.
Maybe you being this argumentative is why you have no friends.
See, now you really are just making a fool of yourself.
It's not like he actively asks other people to make fun of you, and private messages are also a thing.
You could even have created a Twitter account to send him messages, but seeing that you haven't, you clearly are not any less of a coward than you think Xythar is.
>PM Xythar
I doubt Kristen will ever do that.
>Maybe you being this argumentative…
I can't understand why Kristen is acting like this.
>you clearly are not any less of a coward than you think Xythar is.
You're not really one to talk about Cowardice. Get a real handle.
>I doubt Kristen will ever do that.
But I have. March 29 2014, April 5 2014, January 8 2015, and April 28 2015 according to my chat logs.
3/29 – Small request to do an April Fool's joke in which Commie and Chihiro jointed.
4/5 – Discussion about Hanasaku Iroha being marked red by CGi and clarification as to why Thora's Time of Eve wasn't marked red in the same situation.
1/8 – Response to his twitter rant about my encode of Twintails, as well as clarifying why I was doing the show in the first place.
4/28 – Thanking him for giving motivation to continue subbing.
What's interesting is the only discussion that had to do with subbing was immediately posted on his twitter and shared with his friends. Reason is simple. Even in a private message, you are not talking to him privately. He will make the situation so that all of his friends will gang up on you. While I was having that conversation with him, I almost immediately got another message from furzee saying the same things Xythar was.
It's sheer and utter cowardice.
Why are we talking cowardice when you're sitting here on a place that you know your Mortal Enemy doesn't visit and talking shit about him?
He does Govna. Daily. Maybe even multiple times. That's why anything posted here about him or his groups is posted on his twitter within hours.
And he has every right to reply to me here. But he won't, outside of spite, because he's a coward and doesn't want to say nasty things to me in a place where he knows I can say nasty things back and he can't block me.
And you're not a coward for confronting him elsewhere because…?
Because I have Govna. IRC, Bakabt, here, I've used all methods except twitter because I feel 120 characters or less is not a way to get out what I want to say.
Result is the same. Unless he can prevent a backlash, he won't post.
And so your solution is to keep shit talking him as much as you can?
And that puts you in some elevated position?
That's a question more directed at him and yourself than me.
Kristen, please don't misrepresent things. I've seen him reply numerous times on BakaBT, you're just asshurt because he's often objectively right.
As far as why he won't reply here, he refuses to interact with the site on principle, which is fine. He can easily be reached elsewhere.
5 months, CoffeeFlux, since his last post.
Also Coffeeflux, I don't know what "principle" there is, seeing how he checks the site first thing in the morning when he wakes up every day.
He's kinda like a kid who says he'll never eat chocolate ice cream again because it gets on his clothes all the time, and then just sneaks it in whenever nobody is looking.
Kristen, have you hacked his webcam or something? Because it's a little creepy that you claim to know Xythar's morning routine >.>
Yes. "hurr".
As you're the editor on this show, I'm sure you could provide some input, perhaps debate some of the points raised here. But, "hurr".
I suppose this caveman response is indicative of the care you have for the show.
Let me know when you're going to start taking pride in your work and I'll reconsider avoiding shows that you've worked on.
No, honey, my "hurr" is a response to your caveman-like rant, indicative of the amount of amusement I found in your posts. Enjoy the attention while it lasts, though.
I'm not surprised you find criticism amusing. When someone points out a serious flaw with your groups release and you choose to respond with "hurr", it's not at all surprising.
I'll actually engage you with a lengthy reply, mostly because I'm bored, but partly because I actually would like to see Vivid return to the quality alternative they once were rather than the shit shoveling slackers they've become.
This whole thread here started because your group released a shit encode.
Now, you could have stayed quiet and let it blow over.
You could have come in to defend yourself, your work, your comrades.
You could have perhaps explained to everyone how a seriously bad encode, one that should have been caught during QC, made it to release.
You could have came and apologized to your viewers and reassured them that a V2 is pending or that it'll be fixed in batch.
But you did none of that. You went "hurr". And you've now followed it up with an attempt at being bitchy. Unfortunately, I'm not 14 and I don't attend your high school, so it isn't impressing me.
However, you have managed to reinforced my suspicion that you have no pride in your work. You have no pride in the groups you work for. And you give the impression that Vivid has no pride in their releases. You are the fansubber who's damaging your own reputation, and that of the groups you associate with, with your flippant attitude.
As for attention? I'm a pseudo anonymous shitposter who's criticizing your work. I'm a nobody. And honestly, I couldn't give two shits if you replied to me or not, which you shouldn't have. So I was surprised you bothered replying, considering the fact that I don't even watch your releases anymore. Was it not clear that I dropped your releases in favor of the competition?
I was hyped for Seraph at the start of the season. So when it came time to decide on my RSS feeds, I blindly chose Vivid, based purely on reputation and my satisfaction with their prior releases. But what I ended up with was utter tripe. Though I stuck with it, blaming the show for the bad dialogue, rather than Vivid's TLC and edits. It wasn't until D_S posted his comparisons that I realized I was the fool for not considering other releases.
But back to the main criticism, the fucked-up encode. Do you intend to talk about that? You can ignore it, you can reassure everyone that it'll be fixed, or you can continue to show the people watching this thread the sort of attitude you and the groups you associate with have towards their releases.
Yikes. Gonna be honest with you man, you could've just said the entire point of that essay in like, two lines.
A few things:
1) Calling your expletive-fuelled outburst "criticism" would, quite frankly, be doing huge a disservice to the definition.
2) In what way, shape, or form, is anyone ignoring the encode issue? Or even denying it, for that matter? It's obviously clear that a mistake slipped past. I had no idea that you needed another mouth to affirm that yes, there was an error, and yes, it shouldn't have been there. Obviously, the natural, unspoken solution is that a v2 will be released, something that incidentally finished encoding no less than 17 or so hours ago. Perhaps you should stop making empty assumptions on things you haven't the slightest clue about.
3) You're making a ludicrously huge deal out of something that happens from time to time. That's what I find amusing. Not your "criticism". Why don't you take your own advice, acknowledge that we messed up, and move on? That's a rhetorical question, by the way. Don't bother responding, because I certainly won't be.
fff picked yahari up again, so you can totally make a review now, right ?
OT v12 when?
when the drama ends
It won't.
you already know the answer then
Dramas won't end, but things might stand still for a while. v11 is quite lengthy now, so I guess it's timely. Yet, still D_S's call.
Holyyyyy shit. That's a lot of drama over one (pretty minor) encoding issue.
But I suppose it is Vivid, so a polarized discussion is to be expected.
Stupid drama like this is why I'm just gonna ditch the fansubbing scene. Don't need any more bullshit in my life.
Better ditch this handle too.
just stop reading the comments lol
i do because it's funny
>why I'm just gonna ditch the fansubbing scene
What? You know you can just not read comments, especially on websites like Crymore.
Jesus Christ, so much shitty fansub fanboys nowadays.
It's amusing how everyone's reacting to this 'dorama' – you do realise this is just normal fansub dorama, right? Nothing to get excited about and certainly no reason to ditch the "fansubbing scene". Or did I miss the memo that said this shit stopped happening on a regular basis?
I suppose /a/ doesn't really talk about fansubs anymore so you don't get the same level of trolling you used to get. But man, some of you need to grow thicker skins (and hold your hands up when you genuinely make a mistake – we all do it, there's no shame in it).
More like I got tired of this bullshit always happening for no good reason.
And since I don't actually do any fansubbing in the first place (always quitted before the season began), there wasn't even a need for me to hang around anyway.
Yo, jabashque? It's your friend. Why you gotta leave me behind, man? That ain't cool. It makes me sad.
All dorama surrounding fansubs and fansubbers has been bullshit for no good reason, and it's been that way since the beginning of digital fansubbing (if not before). Fansubbing and dorama go hand in hand. Hell, Crymore wouldn't get nearly as much traffic if it wasn't for these pockets of dorama bubbling up all the time over stuff that'll be forgotten by the end of the month.
Yeah. Unfortunately, the reason behind it is simple. With many groups out there, they can justify subbing a show with another group on it if they can provide something the other cannot or will not. For instance, if a group subs something fast, you could say you provide more quality. Or if they sub it localized, you can say you provide subs closer to the source.
As most fansubbers want people to download their work, they have two options. Self-promotion or tearing down the opposition, just like in politics. Unlike politics, though, there's not much you can do in terms of self promotion. "Look how good this TS is I did!" doesn't fly well. So the only option to try to get more downloads is to investigate the competing release and bash it to pieces.
People don't like being called useless or crap, so they fight back. And this is how dorama begins.
What is funny is when groups dig themselves into holes just for the sake of dorama. Like Commie picking up the Nisekoi BDs just when I was about done with my final batch lead them to have another eternally stalled BD. Or me picking up Cross Ange just to spite herkz lead me to have a jam packed BD schedule for the next couple months… And then I later found out that it wasn't even a herkz project but something from some guy named skiddiks who I had never even heard of before. Q_Q
>picking up Cross Ange just to spite herkz
That just sounds completely pointless and very hypocritical on your part, given how much you claim Commie and co. pick up shows just to "steal downloads" from your group.
Have you considered simply not paying attention to other groups and focusing purely on putting out solid releases? I assure you people will stop all picking on you then.
Let me tell you a little story.
Back in 2009, Chihiro picked up Asu no Yoichi and Akikan. Jaka had formed Coalguys for the sole purpose of pissing me off at the time, so he picked up the exact same shows. And with his subs, he would continually post negative things about Chihiro.
I wanted to post things back to him about his own errors, however the staff in Chihiro continually told me "No, don't feed the troll and he'll go away". This grew frustrating because even though for month (since he picked up ef), I hadn't even said a word yet he was still continuing his trolling.
And that's when I learned an important lesson. In 4chan or forums, sure, they'll get bored and leave if you leave them alone. In fansubs, trolling the other group leads to more downloads for your group and less for theirs.
Since Chihiro wouldn't allow me to troll back, I formed Coalgirls for that explicit purpose. I would take the Coalguys subs for the show they loved, Toradora, and present it exactly how they didn't want to see it – on TV Osaka, 720p, and "Coal" trolls would be removed. Further, the name would cause Jaka a continual headache as people would be asking his as to why he was formed a group to release 720p Toradora.
And it worked. I then tried to expand the troll by doing a complete rush sub of Toradora 21 under the name "DSC" with a random TL I knew (I know it stood for an insult to Coalguys but I can't remember what it was…), but that wound up being a failure because the translator was too slow.
After Toradora ended, I put Coalgirls to rest. They blog had been taken down, and the troll was only semi-successful, so I went back to focusing on Chihiro.
When Haruhi started, I was expecting good groups to work on it. But then it only wound up being gg-Coalguys working on it with trolls like "Delorean" at the start. Not wanting to see this, I restarted CGi to do Haruhi without the trolls and in 720p (which was pretty crappy to do… At least Toradora had a good looking source). They dropped it after 1 episode, and so did I.
This was the last time I subbed a show for the purpose of trolling until Cross Ange.
What about the other shows between then and now? The first shows I picked up – White Album and Tayutama – were actually only picked up for practice. I had no idea how to encode a BD and was responsible for the K-On! BDs (which I honestly should've just let Soi do). So I decided to revive CGi to practice BDs so that they got bashed for my initial mistakes rather than Chihiro.
I later did Toradora DVDs because I wanted to actually watch the show (the original was just a shift/mux), and was looking at other things. And then I stumbled upon the ED of Bakemonogatari. I loved that song so much that I decided to do Bakemonogatari.
Of course… Bake wasn't the walk in the park that any show I had done in the past had been. It had its own issues with shifting and block typesetting, but yeah.
From that point (September 2009) to pretty recently (November 2014), all shows were like that. I found a show, liked it, and did it.
In December, I was looking through fall shows and was heavily disappointed with the offerings. I decided to do Twintails for one reason – it involved a guy turning into a girl. That's it. It's a fantasy of what I'd like my real life to be. I was hoping for something a little more Kampferish, of course, but regardless. I decided to use P subs because they read more how I liked to read them. Commie's are usually filled with unnecessary swearing, and often times overliberal translations.
Xythar released his own version of Twintails, which was fine. But then he decided that to try to boost up his download counts, he would investigate my release and publicize any issues he found. He found an encoding error that he splattered over 4chan and his blog.
In the end, it was really only noticeable in 1 or 2 scenes, but those 1 or 2 scenes were very noticeable. But I'm getting sidetracked.
At that point, I got REALLY upset. I had been having some issues at continually being relegated to a carry group in Aion because I had messed up healing one day when I was sick, and this encoding error really made me feel completely worthless. He was right, that was an error beyond comprehension, and I had essentially "been told" about encoding by somebody who doesn't know anything about encoding.
I pretty much stopped doing anything for like a month or so, and was talking about ending fansubbing permanently privately with people. I had planned to pick up a few random series in February to buff up my completed projects list so that I could finish with Tsukimonogatari which would have been project #100 for myself in Coalgirls.
With that, I started watching Aikatsu in BD form to just keep for myself. And that's when the idea changed. Instead of disbanding, I would only do Aikatsu until the end of time. I'd finish up my remaining projects (Wixoss and Twintails), and then focus solely on the new episodes of Aikatsu that came out. It was a simple fun show that I'd never have to deal with drama and microscoping in.
So I went through and fixed up my Twintails and released a batch of 01-06. Then Xythar was spamming on 4chan and blogging about a typeset that I thought was a P typesetting preference instead of an actual BD change due to the nature of a few other movements. This was what changed my mind about fansubbing. I realized that it wasn't a fundamental flaw with me encoding. It was a mistake I had made, and Xythar was just microscoping. If it was just a critical flaw with me encoding in general, it'd have been met with silence, but instead since Xythar had found a typeset on screen for 0.5 seconds he didn't like, it was obviously just him trying to get downloads.
That is why in April I thanked him for giving me motivation back to fansub.
But at the same time, this was when I decided to return to the trolling roots of Coalgirls. I began to formulate a plan. I found a show Commie I believe decidingly liked (Ange), and decided to bastardize their subs so that they were exactly how Commie would not like them. I'd do a BD and their subs would have honorifics, they'd have Romaji, they'd have FLAC audio, they'd have no trolling, and they'd be on a Coalgirls release. I believed that they would be hurt by it because people usually take pride in their subs, and seeing them bastardized would be a big negative. I was even planning to do a flashy karaoke until my own laziness kicked in during the k-timing phase. I had heard of Commie doing its own BD, so I decided to release it by disc to get it out faster than they could so they could use their troll red mark on it.
Admittingly, it was a success. Show wasn't as bad as I thought, and it got them a bit pissed off (though they'll say they're just laughing, it's easy to read people's true emotions). But unfortunately, I trolled the wrong person. I wanted to troll herkz/Xythar, and instead I trolled a guy skiddiks who really just sticks to his own things and isn't that bad of a guy.
So, is it hypocritical? A bit. It wasn't to steal downloads as much as it was to defile Commie's subs. But it honestly would have never happened if Xythar focused purely on putting out a solid release of Twintails instead of trying to find stuff to bash mine.
But no, I assure you, people will always attack me. That's the nature of the fansubbing beast. I mean hell, people even pick on Doremi for their Precure subs and they don't really strike back at all. The "picking on" comes from really just one source – the desire for more downloads.
So you're looking for your lost lover in Xythar in herkz?
Maybe you should just quit subbing, since it seems your only motivation throughout the years has been hatred.
holy tl;dr
tl;dr fansubbing = srsbsns
(I can't believe I read all that lifeblogging)
reading that cost me a couple minutes of my life that i'll never get back
holy tl;dr indeed.
So to sum it up Kristen, your only reason for subbing is trying to offend people who don't care about you, sounds solid. It's no wonder you haven't really improved after all these years.
With time comes experience if you devote yourself to something, but just doing something out of spite doesn't improve you at all.
And people insult Doremi because well pretty sure in most cases they've had it coming (and might have even instigated it on a blog or somewhere).
"From that point (September 2009) to pretty recently (November 2014), all shows were like that. I found a show, liked it, and did it."
Did you conveniently miss the part where I said for 5 years time I did shows because I liked them?
As for the rest of your comment, a lot of it is simple hate speech. Compare the banded mess that is White Album 1 to my White Album 2. Compare my Madoka movie 3 which required heavy anti-aliasing and see how much details it lost, and then compare it to Ange that preserved the details. Compare my subtitle shifting on Maria Holic to my shifting on Monogatari season 2.
Those who mention things like "You haven't improved at all!" are simply trying to hurt a person deep inside instead of actually trying to state anything. Which is kind of surprising coming from you, because I've always respected your encodes after you learned what IVTC is.
Speaking of which, it did take like 5 encoders to teach you the difference between IVTC and deinterlacing over a course of like 3 days. Are you really one to talk about resisting improvements?
at least he improved after 3 days.
meanwhile, you're still bad after 5 years: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=108150 (btw, that comparison was posted on /a/ days before Xythar tweeted about it)
1. That screenshot was a result of a typo when encoding. It has nothing to do with my encoding ability. Same as you can make a silly mistake in subtraction, but it says nothing about your math ability.
2. That screenshot was corrected in the February 01-06 batch. Unlike Xythar who lets his trash encode stand (check up in this very thread about it), I'm not above admitting and fixing my errors.
3. Yes, it was posted on /a/ by Xythar. Then he tweeted about it.
you've lost yourself in delusions completely.
i suggest stopping fansubbing and visiting the nearest psychiatric hospital. make sure to stay there for at least 5 to 10 years
So says anon.
Have you considered changing names?
I fail to understand why you continue to fight this "battle" against people who are supposedly all just out to get you.
Yes, I'm sure he would go to the trouble of shitposting on /a/ just so he could pretend he wasn't the first one. After all, he's such a coward! Now, where is my tinfoil hat…
QQwerty, I have. And I actually have done some things anonymously and those things have been actually praised instead of bashed.
But as I learned with Coalgirls, people like to sleuth around to try to find who is a mysterious person who appears. So even if I did it, somebody would eventually connect the dots and link whoever I monicker to be to me.
Perish the thought, Dark_Sage! Xythar isn't petty at all, is he Sagey, right? Right?
Well, I did say haven't really, not haven't ever. Ok let me put it this way then, your technical skills have improved but your attitude is still really bad. The world isn't against you and never was. People have wanted to help you out over the years, but your attitude towards criticism is extremely negative, and this makes things hard.
RE: IVTC, well thing is I knew what ivtc was in the first place, but I got caught out trying to cheat, and made a silly assumption that actually enabling inverse telecine in the nvidia control panel applied to dgdecodenv too, which it does not, it only applies to purevideo playback content. Anyway I learnt my lesson from this and at the same time put time into improving my knowledge of video content, etc which I'm glad I did. It was a worthwhile experience, and I learned YATTA in the process, which has been of great benefit over the years. So I am thankful for fucking up, it made me a better man (I think?). I'm not a great encoder by any means, but I hope I'm somewhat competent.
Nobody outside of my groups has wanted to help me. Ever. If they did they would have contacted me directly, but they instead post to message boards and blogs and twitter to make fun of me. There are never specifics either as to how I can improve, it's just "lolkristen", commonly accompanied with some homophobia and hate speech.
Hell, even the guy who taught me encoding (Xarda I think his name was) didn't want to help me. He wanted to troll me, so he taught me to encode by telling me to use a msharpen.deen.awarpsharp.undot filter chain in all cases.
Those darn trolling encoders, bringing up people like Bakaproxy and Saevel on nothing but troll tips and tricks.
You either have a short memory, Kristen, or you're intentionally lying to garner more sympathy. Back when Chihiro was the butt of *every* joke, you had plenty of people coming to you to offer their help and advice (I was one of them, so I know what I'm talking about – I was even close to offering to edit a show for you in an attempt to help you get out of the trolling cycle), so don't try to rewrite history. Yes, there was plenty of trolling – welcome to fansubbing – but you also had plenty of experienced subbers willing to offer you advice and help out. The problem is you've always been more interested in the drama than you have in the subbing side of things, and when your priorities are that skewed, you tend to invite a lot of the drama onto yourself.
I'm talking about encoding help though, not the editing and QC offers we got that first year. Granted, I was helped out 3 times – twice by Fluff to tell me that I was a moron for using the awarpsharp chain, and a second time by Fluff to tell me I was a moron for encoding without B-frames. Though he probably saw it more like he was just insulting me than actually helping me.
And then the last time I was helped was by an encoder who I was friendly with, but whose name I forget, but he was the encoder for AonE who taught me about dotcrawl and derainbowing with my BS-i Yozakura Quartet encode so I could improve when K-On came around.
These three events were all taken at face value and were promptly fixed, contrary to _ar's claim that I am completely resistant to improvements. Since that point (about February 2009), I cannot recall a single time anyone has ever offered me help or advice in encoding. Just hatred, homophobia, and bashing.
So yeah, you are partially right and I am partially wrong in what I said. But if you take out the first year, I am completely right.
Thing is, you can either look at criticism as a bad thing or a good thing. Personally I try to see it as a good thing, because even if it hurts your feelings typically there's something you can learn from it (even if it's that people are idiots!). But you learn to pick out the useful parts from the whole.
Most people don't know an area of expertise, but they do know enough to catch something you might miss. This can come across really bad but hey, as a person who knows that area you should be able to pick out the useful information from the noise. Sometimes you won't and then you can always ask someone for help.
I've never claimed you are completely resistant to change, even you've said yourself just earlier that you managed to improve on your work. But really you just gotta change your attitude towards stuff. In life a lot of time people won't give you a direct hand unless you specifically ask them for it, and there's a good reason for this, it saves people time that would otherwise be wasted on people who just don't give a fuck.
Also people don't learn if you tell them exactly how to do something all the time. You've been to university, you should be familiar with this. I know I would have been happy to help you out, but you gotta take the first step. "I think I'm doing something wrong here, but I'm not sure what, what might be a better way to go about it?", rather than "You're all mean and want to slander me, YOU ALL HATE ME!!!".
Falsedawn is right in people have tried to help you, but a lot of the time you reject the help, perhaps indirectly.
__ar, but that's exactly what I have done.
Here's a simple example. In the Madoka movie 3, I used maa() on the entire encode to nuke the anti-aliasing. In doing so, it completely wrecked the details. In the bakabt threads posted on it, I got bashed pretty hard for it, though I had never heard of anything like that before.
Yeah, I complained and defended my work, as is expected of anybody who is proud of something they did. But I started looking into other options.
The next show I used anti-aliasing on was Nisekoi. In here, I still used maa, but used scene filtering to put it only on scenes where it was needed (such as the title from hell, as well as any scene that involve characters talking from a mid-range distance). Nobody complained really about my Nisekoi encode (though cold_hell made a negative comment about it that showed he hadn't even seen it), but I still wasn't happy with it.
So in Cross Ange, where nearly the entire thing had aliasing, I did research into better filters and found maa2. Read into it and played around with it, as the default setting still killed details and found that maa2(mask=-15) worked as I wanted to. Also discovered a cool threshold mask option to make sure that it was only selecting the areas I wanted with green lines.
Does it work optimally? No, not really. But it's much better than before.
You can also look at other adjustments I've made through time. Like, I used to encode everything with crf 16. But it still would come out blocky and with detail loss from bitrate starvation. So I investigated your Nisemonogatari release and realized that I needed a higher crf on 720p to get what I wanted, as well as needing to make some adjustment to aq-strength. This led me to research into exactly what aq-strength does, and understanding exactly why a higher strength leads to higher filesizes but less starvation.
This is how I've always learned encoding. Make mistakes, look at others' works, and read what they say. In the past I used to ask for help a lot in #darkhold, but I almost always got laughed out of it because of how amateurish my questions were.
Though your thing about college isn't always true for everyone. In college, I would commonly get very lost in my abstract algebra course. I'd get something like (1 2 3)(1 3 2) = ? and need to solve it. So I commonly would hang out at #math on freenode to try and get help.
Some people would try to help me by saying "Well, this is a mapping, so how do you combine two mappings?" I didn't understand how to do it at all, so this didn't help.
And then some people would say "Well, you see the first has the 1 map to 2, and the second has the 2 map back to 1, so you do that for every number". And with that I got as a result, (1 3 2)(1 2 3) = (1), aka every number maps back to itself, the identity.
The first way, trying to get me to realize it on my own, didn't work. But trust me, with the second one, I was able to do every multiple mapping problem that came up after.
It's something I've learned in tutoring math for the past 4 years. Some people learn from theory, some from examples. You can't expect everyone to learn the way, or you'll be a bad tutor.
Well as an example, here's how I handled Madoka 3.
It's relatively straight forward and just uses nnedi3 to do 2 horizontal and vertical passes of aa, edge-masked, then post-sharpens the edges based on the source clip with lsfmod.
I guess the key is to knowing how scripts and filters work, and why you are using them. MAA is fine typically, MAA2 is just faster since it uses tp7's sangnom2, which is multi-threaded. The trick to using MAA is the supersampling factor, which is how much you resize the clip first before applying sangnom. High the SS factor the weaker the anti-aliasing effect but the more detail will be saved, add this along with some edgemasking and it's reasonably easy going on details, then just post-sharpen it against the pre-aa'd clip to restore some of the lost details without restoring the aliasing.
What exactly is that mt_edge? It says something like 3×3 kernel but I have no idea what that means.
edge mask and settings for finding edges. The idea of mt merge is to use only some parts of filtered clip in this case the edges and leave the other parts untouched.
everything is written if you open avisynth wiki…
As for nisekoi – for example op1 ~30sec poke me in irc if you really want screenshots. As I said I didn't applied strong AA either, so I can't blame you (Juular fixed it for example), but the point was that none of the BD releases is perfect and the TV ver isn't far behind the BD in terms of quality where the removed backgrounds destroyed the BDs.
3×3 kernel just means it operates on blocks of 3×3 pixels. mt_edge is used for edge detection, and the kernels are just weighted towards detecting edges. A mask is either a binary or a greyscale mask, (being 2 or 256 colours), which represent a degree of on or off.
mt_merge takes 2 clips and uses the mask to determine how much of clip2 is applied to clip1, and which planes to apply it to.
A quick google gives me this > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28image_processing%29
Which basically explains the idea behind kernels, you don't need to be that well acquainted, but having a decent understanding how masktools works is quite useful when it comes to filtering, the other is kassandros removegrain tools which kinda complement masktools for preparing masks.
Best thing to do is read manuals and look at how scripts do stuff to learn, imho.
Ah yeah, cold_hell, that's actually a prime example of improvements over time. At the time I decided not to aa that scene because it had a lot of details in the road's edges I didn't want to destroy, since my options then were nuke with maa or leave. AKA, it was sort of a manual threshhold of nuking. Now that I've learned a bit about using threshholds in aa, this type of scene would have gotten an aa to fix the sign and leave the road alone.
_ar, thanks, starting to get it.
See, Kristen? When you stop attacking and defending for a minute, you find that all fansubbers aren't that different at all. I'm hopeless at the technological side of fansubbing (and computing full stop, to be fair) so I always rely on others on IRC to give me a helping hand when I get stuck on things. You've just got to know where to look and give back when the time comes (I get plenty of people coming to me for advice on single lines, for instance).
FalseDawn, it may just be my paranoia and delusions acting up again, but I cannot trust that this was a result of asking for help and not a result of him acting as he was to try and make his point true.
But, I'm not going to let paranoia and delusions stop me. I'll ask for help in the future and see if this continues to hold true. Maybe with some luck, I can improve and learn a thing or two.
I can explain the Doremi hate a little. I jointed with them many moons ago and got a peek at their operation, and their mindset is different to a lot of fansubbers in that they prioritise just getting subs out for series, sometimes to the detriment of accuracy. I'm not sure how much they've changed over the years, but their two main guys couldn't see the value of fine-timing to reduce scene bleeds or even making typesetting looks nice. To them, that's all extraneous to getting subs out for series that don't necessarily have them already.
Obviously, this flies in the face of what is regarded as a good fansub for most fansubbers, so scorn gets poured down on them because of that. I suppose you could say it's just about different values but yeah, I can see why a lot of people are turned off from them.
Yes, the Doremi subs in general are lower quality. Like only a season into Go Princess Precure we have "Do horses still exist?" and "Why are you Romeo?"
However, these types of errors existed in all their previous releases and were usually ignored or not brought up. Only here and Dokidoki did they ever get brought up.
Why? Commie. Those are the two series Commie subbed. And to put themselves in a better light, they cast Doremi in a darker shadow.
Which is what I was trying to say up there. That no matter what I do, be it keep to my own business and sub shows I enjoy, or be loud and obnoxious on forums and troll, nothing will change. My subs and encodes will always be dissected, especially when it involves a show Commie works on (which nowadays is close to all of them, seeing how they pretty much have turned the fansubbing garden into a factory).
Which is why QQwerty's song of "Have you considered simply not paying attention to other groups and focusing purely on putting out solid releases? I assure you people will stop all picking on you then." is wrong.
Actually people have always called Doremi shit. I remember once some of their people had a panel at some random con and everyone just shit on them.
Gotta agree with Govna here. Back when I was jointing with them (a long time ago), there was plenty of backlash against them. I think you're a bit narrow-sighted when it comes to Commie, Kristen, and don't seem to realise that these kinds of comments are endemic of fansubbing on the whole and not just the work of a handful of people in a handful of groups.
What? No.
Do a good job, and there will be nothing for them to nitpick. And if they do, people will quickly pick up on their bullshit, given they're making fun of something done well.
I mean, maybe (and it's a big maybe) herkz, Xythar and their friends really do hate you and really will find every last insignificant thing to make fun of. But most fansubbers, and as far as I can see, virtually everyone here, isn't like that at all.
QQwerty, I believe my Tsukimonogatari was quite well done for what was available. I know there are probably some translation inaccuracies in it seeing how it had to use Daisuki subs as a base and we don't have a TLC to go over it. However, the subs were readable and understandable, and free of errors, the typesetting was amazing, and it was generally a really good product.
But within hours of the torrent turning over, we get https://twitter.com/herkz2/status/580854559326625792 . If you're talking about a nitpick, this is probably the nitpickiest of the nitpicks there is.
Yet people support him instead of calling him out on his BS. Because that's what fansubbing is. It's about finding anything you can nitpick and blow it out of proportion to make yourselves look better and swing download counts.
It's backwards (intentionally? The machine itself doesn't look backwards but I haven't watched the show) and 'medals' doesn't make any sense in context, Kristen. That's not really a nitpick, it is a blatant tl/editing error. You value D_S's opinions and he'd rip you a new one for that too.
I can understand your desire to defend your own work, Kristen – we all do that at one time or another – but sometimes you have to know when to just hold your hands up and go "we made a mistake". It happens, we're all human and all have our blindspots. Playing it off as a nitpick does you no favours whatsoever. And I don't see eye-to-eye with herkz so I'm not saying this through any kind of favouritism. Just imparting some fansubbing wisdom for any who might find it useful.
Yes, it is intentionally backwards as the kanji is written in reverse order. siht ekiL. The medals, yes, D_S would complain about it, but that doesn't make it not a nitpick. Nitpicks are things that bear no meaning to the overall enjoyment of the series, and outside of herkz who was trying to find something wrong, nobody has ever brought it up.
Japanese is written right-to-left throughout Monogatari because it's mimicking oldfaggy Japanese text; it's not backwards just for the sake of being backwards. (Alternatively, it could also be considered as top-to-bottom right-to-left, but with single-character columns.) See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_and_vertical_writing_in_East_Asian_scripts
Rendering the English typesetting in reverse order is missing the point entirely, because English text has never predominantly been rendered backwards. You're not mimicking old English by spelling everything backwards; all you're doing is making it unreadable.
So what I got from this is that Coalgirls is largely about pissing people off?
I'd like to ask about the Star Driver BDs. Personally I really liked the show and was excited for the BDs. I even offered to help gg with QC/editing for the BD batches but whoever started on that made a real mess of things and I got busy so it didn't happen.
So of course I was excited to see that Coalgirls was doing a BD batch with edited gg subs. Awesome! Then I realized that it was extremely poorly done. You basically took the gg scripts, reversed the name orders and awkwardly re-added honorifics, changed a couple lines you deemed too trollsy/memetastic (often for the worse), and fixed basically none of the mistranslations/misinterpretations/badly worded lines. That sure was a let-down.
So my question is this. Was that a legitimate effort, or was that another ~drama~-fueled attempt to piss people off? Because if the latter, it was at the expense of the fanbase. I have the official BDs with English subtitles now but they're weeb as shit and borderline unwatchable. (If you recall from their Hulu stream of ep1, they left an entire sentence in untranslated Japanese. This was not fixed for the BD.) But at least the translations are accurate, when they bother to translate.
I can explain more later (on vacation until later tonight), but no. Star Driver originally was picked up because I wanted to do a Sunday night TBS show, and continued because zaockle wanted desperately to do it. If you have problems with the editing, you can talk to him.
OK, full reply. Very few shows I did at CGi were for the purpose of pissing off another group. Every show except the ones listed below were either because they were a show I wanted to see, or we a sequel/prequel to another show I did.
Twintails – Genderbending
Bakemonogatari – I liked the ED
Evangelion 2.22 – Wanted to get a comparison of video to Thora
F/SN UBW Movie – UTW didn't release with FLAC audio
Hidan no Aria – Show sucked bad and I didn't want to put in the effort to do a BD unless I got to put on the CGi tag
HSoD – Didn't want the only version out to be gg's
Inari – Needed a project to do while bored last summer that I could complete in a week
Kampfer – Genderbending
Kiss x Sis – Apology to my fans for cancelling so many ecchi shows
Macross F – Opportunity to play with my favorite aspect of fansubbing, karaoke
Madoka – To promote Chihiro as the best subs (even though I understand now they weren't)
Gundam Unicorn – Was drunk
Nichijou – Wanted to be compared to Underwater
Spicy Wolf – To troll fans of the series by insulting Horo.
SYD – While it was originally a show I did because I wanted to see it, people's complaints about me using the censored track drove me nuts, so it was later to make them download oversized files for a couple of beeps.
Star Driver – Nostalgia over the old Geass rush days, and wanted to do a TBS Sunday morning show similar to it.
Haruhi (Original TV S2) – Trolling CoalGuys
Tayutama – Practicing BDs for K-On! with Chihiro
Toradora (Original TV) – Trolling CoalGuys
White Album – Practicing BDs for K-On! with Chihiro
White Album 2 – Reintroducing myself to the fun of no-stress BD encoding
Cross Ange – Trolling herkz
That said, no matter what the reason, I always put in the best effort I can into whatever I put out. Nothing is ever compromised just because it's not a show I'm doing for the love of it.
>Commie picking up the Nisekoi BDs just when I was about done with my final batch
Skidders planned to release the BDs even before your volume 01 as far as I remember.
>who I had never even heard of before.
kristen + not knowing something…
Ok, I'll pretend that it is actually possible and you aren't trolling. What is wrong with people working on the BDs of their TVver. released shows? Weren't you the one who always blamed them that they don't care enough for the shows to do the BDs afterwards?
Yup. Pretty sure I remember talking to the show's tser (hdr) before the bds were out and asked him if he was gonna do them and he said yes.
EDIT: Pretty sure he even liked the show/series too since I'd talk to him in PM and he'd give me reaction images of panels from the manga haha
I've seen people use reaction images and not even know what show the image is from.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with people doing BDs of shows they worked on with TV, just like there is nothing wrong with people doing season 2's of shows they did season 1 on. However, the timing of the release is extremely suspicious, especially seeing how volume 2 was only released after I said it'd never get released until triggered.
Can I have some tin foil hat?
who the fuck is herkz?!!
*One of the best fansubbers. ;_;
The best fakesubber in the business. Runs a script to remove honorifics from CR scripts and considers that editing. Can't style for shit. Knows how to typeset well but never bothers to do so. Really vocal about not giving a shit. D_S's tsundere lover if Xythar ever disappears.
Btw, Kristen, just browsed through Xythar's twitter and yeah, he does seem obsessed with this site. You'd think he'd just post here instead of screencapping everything.
Yeah. His twitter actually is pretty entertaining. I've always loved a good tsundere.
From what I know Xythar was banned here but somehow D_S lifted it. Not so sure if he knew anything about that.
He definitely knows, he just considers Crymore and D_S to be beneath him.
If he considered D_S and crymore to be beneath him, he wouldn't care about the opinions posted here. But trust me, if D_S made a review bashing Vivid for something, you'll hear him whining.
Usually when you consider something beneath you, you don't go screencapping 4 of the comments since the 2nd of June to broadcast to your Twitter audience. Just saying.
Also what I believed. Though, I doubt he will ever comment here again since IIRC he himself insisted and dared D_S to ban him for doing something. You know, pride and ego.
Yep. He ridicules posts on here, and indeed anything else that leaves a bad taste in his mouth, in the safety of circlejerks him and his buddies can control out of sheer cowardice. A cursory glance at his Twitter paints a sad picture indeed: a thirty-something, hysterical, neckbearded sycophant with a fragile ego steeped in pseudo-intellectualism.
Apparently he liked your comment.
Hahahaha, he actually made that his Twitter background! Well, it certainly forewarns any hapless souls who stumble onto his Twitter. Not that anyone couldn't have drawn the same conclusion, though.
I took a look, and…
Xythar, what are you doing mate?
I'd expect more mature behaviour from a fifteen-year-old.
Mature behaviour from a fansubber? What were you thinking?
What are your thoughts on doki subs not putting their releases on nyaa?
What a crime.
Doki was banned from Nyaa because they kept breaking their rules. It's not some moral stand against Nyaa or anything.
Because one individual who hasn't been associated with doki in ages kept breaking nyaa's rules, but yes, that is why Doki isn't on nyaa.
how did you get into anime? :3
Xythar's fans. Fucking lol.
LOL Commie are being rebellious and they won't release oregairu "on time".
It does not bother me too much, since their subs suck ass, but I wanted to know your thoughts.
herkz @herkz2 1h1 hour ago
man, people are so mad they aren't getting their anime subtitles on "schedule." it's amazing.
herkz @herkz2 56m56 minutes ago
After further observations of reactions, I think we should actually delay it every week just to make them mad.
herkz @herkz2 52m52 minutes ago
@Tinky_III they have no idea how to react when they have no other options. it's truly special.
I mean, isn't this hilarious or what?
there's nothing suspicious about funimation's subtitles
Looks like they're consistent when it comes to quality.
Can I join
Those giftia are definitely nearing the end of their lifespan.
funi's seraph and toei's world trigger are the worst subs of the season, for sure
Ur all stoopid
Summer 2015 preview soon?
It's still cold, relax.
I'm here now, and I sure am hot.
summer 2015 god tier taste expo when?
in 1 valve year
Holy shit Funimation are gonna simulcast 19 shows this season.
sauce or no taste
>spoiler: there is no "liberal scale" your translation is either wrong or it isn't
Friendly reminder that this is the retard who tirelessly defended Commie's Twintails release, saying lines like "… worse than Hitler" and that the character who spoke like a nigger was an accurate translation.
Friendly reminder that he claimed it was just a more liberal translation.
Friendly reminder that he should neck himself.
Xythar really needs to learn the difference between translation and every other aspect of subbing. I am simply waiting for the day that he criticizes an encode and calls the encode a bad translation.
Not only that, but he really needs to learn some actual Japanese before he starts talking about TL issues, because the line he had an issue with was actually the correct translation.
I wonder how many people it'll take to tell him that he's wrong for him to listen.
Maybe he should consider getting off twitter. It's almost as if it's become a defense mechanism against anything he doesn't like, no matter how many times and how many people tell him that he's wrong.
The ironyyyy. the ironyyy
That's a shockingly bone-headed comment from Xythar. I know he always defends Commie no matter what the issue is, but I figured he was just faithfully doing his duty like a defence lawyer or bodyguard with a dodgy client. Now I find myself thinking he genuinely believed all that nonsense and it wasn't just hollow shilling.
Interesting. Crymore readers hate Xythar but love reading his Twitter posts, apparently.
Personally, I enjoy his twitter. I laugh every time I see him waving a gay pride flag or supporting transexual society after the stuff he said to me specifically relating to my transexual nature. It's funny how he'll say something and then when it comes to someone he dislikes, he'll use it like a plague.
>implying its not hilarious reading his retarded as fuck tweets
Shit, duplex, get with the program.
I think you missed my incredibly subtle dig at Crymore readers who whine like babies when Xythar does the same thing the other way around.


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Gees i really should use my own blog more often, i mean its now again really long ago i used it.
Well ok i try to keep things short.
I came good into the new year only with a bit pain of my wisdom tooth but it was pretty ok. Easter was also not "so bad" but still. Summer sucked coz it was hot the first time and now the weather dont know how it will be in the next day, sometimes its hot sometimes its raining sometime its even somewhere between of that.
Anyways my current situation is not really the best or what ever. My Dad is again a butthole but thats nothing new, the problem is he is redesign our kitchen anew and he "wants" that everyone helps. I normaly have no problem helping him if he would not "nearly" kick everyone in the ass FOR helping them or blame the shit out of the people...and if you DONT help him he blackmails you and what not with stuff like "i throw you out of my home!" and and and.
Honestly, I dont want him to put honey on my ass but if he wants people to actually help him he should also treat them like that he actually NEEDS help and not kick them or throw a rude word next to the other around out of his mouth, for srs.
Anyways, thats one point of "bad" situation right now, another one is that a friend of mine, kinda good one, is going now his own way by joining someone i only can give "pity". He means im jealous but no, really im not. The problem is that this "dude" is one of his friends and i sure respect that in ONE way but if those people nearly "acquisition" just other people to get a kind of "clan" running and feeling strong by been "more than as one" its really a pity. I mean i had ones the "favor" with this guy and just HE was mad at me, some of his people also went mad without a reason - and my old friend even KNOW about that and gave a shit like to blame myself "you made the problems".
Its ok if you want him as friend but im not a bee in the hive who just runs behind its queen, doing her shit which she cant do herself.
About Art well i keep it slow but i try to do much better art than before, also some other artworks i didnt make the last years. I still have a lot fun with and it helps me relax a lot.
Dat body in dat V-bikini~ by WAtheAnum on DeviantArt
I still hope to get a job soon. I really try hard to get one but my dad dotn see it. I dont wana show him my job stuff and co and about that fact he is also mad, blaming me i dont do a shit about getting a job and what not.
Honestly, just that i dont show you where i go and try to get a job doesnt mean i dont do nothing to actually get one - next to this, I wana get a job and work there, NOT my dad.
So thats everything so far and i try to keep in touch.


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It has to be said that Rihanna is starting to catch up with the queen of celebrity fragrances - Britney Spears. Unlike fragrances by Britney which is normally aimed at the younger market, Rihanna's perfumes can be worn by any age. Each scent is different, a bit like her looks - always changing, always evolving. RiRi by Rihanna is her latest fragrance and a perfume which I've been reaching for over the last few weeks. If you are a regular reader of the blog, you'll know that describing scents isn't my forte, however lets go.
Unlike Rouge and Nude this fragrance is completely opposite. Instead of it being strong and heavy, this is very light and fruity. Yet unlike other high end perfumes, RiRi has some seriously staying power. Once applied I initially can smell the vanilla and musk, however after a few minutes you can really the passion fruit becomes apparent. Normally I'm not a fan of fruity perfumes - for me the muskier and heavier the better. However for work this has been a fab alternative to the usual scents which I reach for. Finally the price - £40 for 100ml is expensive for a celebrity fragrance, however considering you get 100ml I don't think this is bad value for money, considering a little goes a long way. Are you a fan of Rihanna's fragrances, if so what are your favourites.
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Those who oppose Donald Trump keep missing a major point. Whether during the Republican primaries, in the General Election against Hillary Clinton, or since he became president, critics have misunderstood the basis for Trump's appeal to his supporters.
Given that our current president is the most unconventional politician of modern times, getting a clear handle on him is not easy. He has defied all the norms, broken quite a few rules and seems to lack any fixed set of beliefs. You shouldn't pay too much attention to what he says at any given moment because he doesn't. Trump lies, changes his position and backpedals and restates. He also is masterful at creating distractions.
It is conventional wisdom that Trump won the presidency in 2016 by connecting with white working class Americans who had been left behind in the new global economy. Books like J.D. Vance's "Hillbilly Elegy" provided support for that view by arguing that poor working people had been ignored by traditional politicians. Trump, it was said by many, spoke to their concerns and promised solutions to their problems.
To add to that perspective, many in the Democratic Party argued that the Party needed to refine its message to reach out to those forgotten voters. The hand-wringing about the need for a more inclusive approach continues to this day.
The problem is that working class whites really aren't drawn to Trump because of his economic message. They may wish that coal was coming back or that the president would create new manufacturing jobs, but his continued failure to achieve either of those objectives hasn't led to a significant drop in support among that key portion of his base.
It's actually not clear that white working class voters ever took Trump's economic promises very seriously, either literally or figuratively. While his rallies always included assurances that he alone could remedy their economic woes, those were never the main applause lines.
Those who believed early on that Trump couldn't possibly be elected relied on the faulty assumption that he was too erratic and too lacking in the most basic qualifications and knowledge ever to win the support of thoughtful Republicans. On Election Day, 90% of voters who identified with the Party voted for Trump.
That phenomenon goes far toward explaining why Trump won despite not having a believable economic message. Our highly polarized politics led many Republicans to vote for him solely because he carried the Party's label. Many, if not most, of them will continue to support him in the future regardless of his record.
It is true that a portion of his support did come from voters who anticipated economic gain for themselves if Trump captured the White House and Republicans retained control of Congress. That group was not, however, the economically disadvantaged. It was the wealthy segment of the Republican Party who received their reward through the GOP tax cut that was passed in 2017.
Vance's hillbillies may see marginal benefits from legislation that poured millions into the pockets of the richest Americans, but those few extra dollars won't change their lives. My argument here is that getting the short end of the tax cut stick won't at all diminish their support for Trump.
Why, then, do they cling to a billionaire president who is doing nothing to provide materials benefits to them? Will they rebel as they discover it is their health benefits that have been taken away or made more expensive? Probably not.
Understanding Trump's hold on America's economically disadvantaged requires looking in a different direction. The answer, it turns out, is staring us in the face.
As a candidate and even more openly since he took office, Trump has played on a different anxiety than economics. Trump's supporters are overwhelmingly white. So is the Republican Party. His consistent message, which supporters do take both literally and figuratively, is that he will protect them from the encroachment on their way of life from minorities and immigrants. The theme is neither subtle nor indirect.
Take the two moments that best characterize Trump's appeal. One is the promise to build a wall. Many observers thought that the assertion that Mexico would pay for the wall was a critical ingredient in the popularity of the promise, but his total and complete failure to get Mexican compliance hasn't diminished his supporters' enthusiasm. You can see the same thing about his proposed Muslim ban which keeps falling afoul of legal and constitutional objections.
The other Trump "highlight" was his observation that there were"good people on both sides" of the events in Charlottesville last year. What most decent Americans saw as a rally of racists chanting ugly slogans and intent on violence was used by Trump as a dog whistle for racist supporters.
"Make America Great Again" is nothing more than a veiled reference to an era of unquestioned white privilege and minorities who "knew their place." Trump is presenting himself to those who are threatened and anxious about the changing demographics of the United States as the person who can hold back the tide. Whether he can is largely beside the point. Trump holds out hope at the very time that a portion of the population is losing it.
We are at an incredibly ugly time in our history. Trump will not change his stripes; we have not yet seen the worst from him. Appeals to reason won't dissuade many of his supporters. Neither will a better economic message by Democrats. Saving the country from the worst features of Trumpism will require a clear rejection of the racist and nativist views bellowed by this demagogue and an overwhelming turnout in November by those who believe that America is better than that.


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I got this message from Milly who took the course in April of 2013. So what has Milly been up to in the last year, well she started by Sailing the English Channel in a Konsort 29, in typically snotty weather. Wind to 45 knots at times. After that 48 hour passage she messed around on a 50 ketch between San Diego and Ensenada. And where is she now? Crewing a Contest 43 in Antigua, Jolly Harbor and soon over to St. Marten.
Not bad at all Milly, not bad at all!!
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Punjab notched up a comprehensive eight-wicket victory over Sauarashtra on the third day of their Group A Ranji Trophy match in Mohali.
After reducing Saurashtra to 233 in their second innings, the hosts chased down the victory target of 119 runs comfortably by losing just two wickets here at the Punjab Cricket Association (PCA) Stadium.
Punjab dominated from day one as they bundled out Saurashtra for a meagre 90 in their first innings before they went on to score 205 all out, thereby taking a 115-run lead.
Saurashtra, after commencing the day at 212 for seven in their second innings, could add just 42 runs to the total with both overnight batsmen, Sagar Jogiyani (76), who resumed on 72, and Jaydev Unadkat (2), starting at 0, got out early.
Siddharth Kaul, who finished with a five-wicket haul, added another wicket to his kitty this morning to take his figures to six for 63. Sandeep Sharma (three for 57) also chipped in with important wickets.
Chasing a small target, Punjab lost opener Jiwanjot Singh (5) cheaply but Karan Goel made sure that the hosts reach home without much trouble.
Goel hit a fine 115-ball 75 not out, laced with 13 fours and a six, while Mayank Sidhana (21) and Mandeep Singh (18 not out) also added valuable runs.
Brief scores:
Saurashtra: 90 & 233 all out in 62.4 overs (Sagar Jogiayni 76; Siddharth Kaul 6/63).
Punjab: 205 & 120 for two in 33.1 overs (Karan Goel batting 75, Mayank Sidhana 21; Jaydev Unadkat 1/19).


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Talk about a day to remember! A man botched his marriage proposal to his girlfriend when he dropped her engagement ring into a waterfall in Maryland.
Isaiah Adams surprised the love of his life, Grace, when he popped the question at the scenic Cunningham Falls State Park in Thurmont, Maryland. In a video obtained by Inside Edition, Isaiah and Grace are seen posing for a picture in front of the waterfall moments before he gets down on bended knee.
Clasping her hands over her mouth, Grace accepts and gives her boyfriend a big hug and kiss as others are heard cheering in the background. Grace then removes the ring from the box to place it on her finger, but the gesture doesn't go quite as planned. The video shows the ring falling into the water as the newly engaged couple bend down to grab it and the cameraperson screams, "Oh, my God!"
"I was crying with happiness but then I was crying with fear at the same time," Grace told Inside Edition on Tuesday, January 3. "I looked up and his face was just shock."
Though the couple's search for the ring proved unsuccessful, they told the news outlet they still aim to move forward with planning their wedding — and we're sure their friends and family members will have plenty to joke about during their speeches at the reception.
Watch the proposal in the video above!
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Rebecca Hasson, Ph.D.
Peer Mentor since 2010
Faculty Mentor since 2012
Faculty Mentor
(Video Date: August 2010)
University of Michigan
1402 Washington Heights
2110 Observatory Lodge
Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2013
What is your dream job?
Director of the National Institutes of Health
What is your favorite sport, and which team of that sport do you cheer for?
My favorite sport is baseball; I am a die-hard Red Sox fan.
If you had a "theme song" that played whenever you walked into a room full of people, what would it be?
"Say It Loud..." by James Brown
Is the glass half empty of half full? What is in the glass?
The glass is half full of Martinelli's Sparkling Apple Cider.
What punctuation best describes your personality? Why?
An exclamation point because I bring excitement to everything I do!
What is your favorite weird food combination?
Vanilla ice cream and McDonald's French Fries!
If you could rid the world of one thing, what would it be?
What was your nickname growing up and now?
Becky Sue ... I don't know why (my middle name is not Susan, its Elizabeth) but somehow it stuck.
What person has influenced your life the most? Why?
My paternal grandfather, Roger Holden. He taught us the value of education and challenged me to learn something new every day.
When you were in grade school, what did you want to be when you grew up? Why?
I wanted to be an astronaut! I loved learning about outer space as well as our solar system, and wanted the opportunity to experience walking in the absence of gravity.


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As the original drummer for Counting Crows (August and Everything After) Steve Bowman was fortunate enough to see the world, play on his favorite late night TV shows, and open a tour for the Rolling Stones. Since those great beginnings, he has continued playing live and making records with some of the industry's best musicians. Steve's playing has been heard on radio, in major motion pictures, and in over 50 television shows.
In 2007, Steve relocated to Nashville with his family "to record incredible songs in amazing rooms with killer musicians." He has since played live and/or recorded with many Nashville artists, including Big N Rich, Sarah Buxton, Big Kenny, Kim Richey, James Otto, Greta Gaines, Mindy Smith, Jana Kramer, and more.
As a freelance writer, Steve has written articles for magazines and websites, authored four books of drum instruction, and maintained a successful blog. He has also taught privately, conducted drum clinics and master classes, and spoken at Rock and Roll band camps. He continues to record, tour, write, speak, and is now offering online drum tracks, private drum lessons, and music career consultation through Skype.


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Wall Street Journal has launched WorldStream, a platform for video news gathering and publishing of short form videos created by the paper's staffers. The publisher made the announcement today.
Last November spoke with Alan Murray, Deputy Managing Editor of the Wall Street Journal and Executive Editor of the Wall Street Journal Online. He gives an overview of the growing creation and distribution of the video at the Journal. We have republished that video today.
News of the video inititative was reported earlier this month by Jim Romenesko.


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This Taylor Swift Parody Video Explains EVERYTHING
Just a day in the life of Taylor Swift.
The "Look What You Made Me Do" singer teased a new song in a funny new video on Friday.
In the video in part with her partnership with AT&T, Swift plays with her cat Olivia Benson and also finds herself getting into a fight with Andy Samberg.
Some real tough questions I had for Olivia. pic.twitter.com/VeLIN3iYRY— Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) September 7, 2017
Oh, she also gets locked in a closet after stealing someone's cookie dough ...
"Such a taxing day when they're like 'eat some cookie dough' and you're like 'ok I'll make this sacrifice for my art,'" the singer quipped on social media while teasing the new video.
Watch it above and join as we wait out another release!


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13th January 2017
For his brilliant JazzFuel website, Matt Fripp has conducted insightful Q&As with a number of successful and forward thinking professionals from the Jazz community. He is focusing on the business behind the music and the huge demand for help to self promote and navigate the tricky and overwhelming straights of social media, digital communications, agency and label liaisons, marketing and PR, while not neglecting the music and the creative space that's needed to grow as an artist.
When I was asked to contribute with some of my own takes on our industry, I was very flattered. Here's the nadworks perspective on JazzFuel's 10 questions around digital marketing, web promotion and fan reach via social media…
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Bits and Pieces
3º ESO:
Your Magostos activities
Homework for all!
(Just a little):
Short Videos for all tastes:
For FUN:
That moment every teacher dreads before the holidays...;)
The Digital Story of the Nativity (one of my favourites)
Star Wars Episodes I-III, explained in 3 minutes
The Year 20125 on Twitter
Mog's Christmas Calamity
To get us thinking and talking:
Speed Dating
Are you human?
True Love
Idiots (again!)
I am the choices I make
The trial of Barnaby Finch
After discussing Human Rights,
there was some good news for refugees and for the whole world
Watch how these Canadian children welcome Syrian kids
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas
What's your favourite Christmas festivity?
Perhaps New Year's Eve?


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Stage One: Surviving the Elements
Arriving at the stadium early in the afternoon, an air of excitement and anticipation fills the backstage area. They direct you to the green room, a small room where the production crew is already setting up. A door from the room leads into the crawl. Couches and tables surround the room, with the remains of catered food laid out on the tables, looking as if the production crew scavenged through before you entered. On one wall stands the inspection table, but the ref hasn't arrive yet. About the room, AVS's cycle through the security cameras placed around the coliseum. The largest AVS continually displays the network's video feed. Just as you are settling in a young man with a clipboard walks into the room and begins to address you.
"Ms. Perry wanted me to let you know that you will have an interview before you go into the crawl today," he says in a whiny, self-righteous voice. "It'll be with Chuck and Dan from SportsEvening in about an hour. If you have any questions, I should be able to answer them."
[OOC - In addition to whatever else you post here, please roll spot checks.]
Adamant stands tall, clad in his armor, shining brightly in the room, his flame red armor casting reflected red light. Adamant shifts his head slightly to look the young man in the eyes, and stared deep into them, seeming to bore into his head. Adamant then looks slowly towards Tricks, then subtlety nods.
(OOC: Spot check 19 )
The pre-XCrawl couches. How he had missed them. Tripster walked over to one of them and sprawled on it, his legs hanging over one side. "That's how I like it. Nothing against a little pre-Crawl relaxation, hm?"
The huge man closed his eyes and seemed to doze until the man addressed them. Tripster kept his mouth shut and craned his neck to look over at the others.
{OOC: Spot 19 }
Val stood awkwardly, off to the side, her eyes flickering nervously around the room.
Why did I think this was a good idea? Crawl? Freaking seriously? Ohmigod I'm gonna die. Fucking hell.
She leaned back against the wall, trying to calm herself down, still glancing around nervously.
[OOC: Val gets, like, ten spot checks a minute. I think she'll eventually notice whatever there is to spot? For now, 19 like everyone else I guess.]
Bernard sat on the end of a couch in the corner, squeezing out a whole bottle of posing oil onto his chest. Once finished, he tossed it into a wastebasket with three others. He didn't show it as obviously as Val, but he was just as nervous; the main difference was that Burn was almost more worried about doing an unscripted interview than about dying horribly.
[OOC - Spot 14 ]
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Entering the room and seeing the some chicken that has yet to be claimed at one of the serving tables Razor Charlie whips out a dagger and throws it pinning the chicken to the wall. "Dibs."
He takes to one of the comfortable chairs and sits/lays sideways and begins to enjoy the chicken that he holds with his dagger. He didn't know what to expect from the crawl but knew it couldn't have been as lethal or dangerous as most of his jobs. Hell, he heard that in some games they even made it non-lethal on purpose. And anyway it wasn't time for action yet. They put out the spread and he wasn't about to squander this opportunity while it lasted.
He ignores the man as he enters and gazes around at the vid feeds to see if he can gather more about what all these X-Crawl games were about. He hadn't watched many of them and the only real experience he had was as working for a hunter but it didn't really give him insight into the games themselves.
OOC: I sorta ...um, forgot how to roll. I dont mind if you do it for me this time. I'll try to track down the code for next time.
Hrm... lets try: Passive spot check: [roll]1d20-1[/roll] (to randomly notice whatever)
Active spot check: [roll]1d20-1[/roll](when gazing at the vid feeds)
"Plus, you know, robots. Pew-pew." - Benicus
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Val jumped something like a foot into the air at Charlie's dagger throw. After a sheepish moment of embarrassment, she backed off further into the room, now entirely more freaked out than before, if that was possible.
Fuck's sake fucking asshole why do people do that argh stuff like that is going to happening all the time in there why did I ever think this was a good idea I am so boned augh why why why why? Goddamn freaks all of them how can they be so calm!
[OOC: Use the [roll] tag. {roll}1d20+8{/roll} with the { as [ gives you 25 . Incidentally, trying to apply [noparse] to rolls throws up an error, obnoxious big blue thing right below me. Yes yes I know shut up stupid blue thing. Here. 22 Happy? Also for some reason I can't apply the [size] tag now. Strange.]
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OOC: Ok, so maybe it doesn't like us editing stuff after we put up a post that includes a roll so as to avoid people screwing with their roll? Testing that theory here. If it doesn't work right feel free to delete this post:
Passive spot check: 0 (to randomly notice whatever)
Active spot check: 15 (when gazing at the vid feeds)
"Plus, you know, robots. Pew-pew." - Benicus
Tricks flashes the man a smile, "Thanks, Scooter. We're looking forward to it. Tell Chuck and Dan we're ready when they are."
Triz takes a moment to look around the room, taking in the spread, his team, and a chicken with a knife through it. "Just give us a minute, yeah?" He says to clipboard, indicating he should skidaddle.
(OOC: spot 12 )
Jack walked into the room still barely knowing anyone, that didn't matter to him, all that he cared about was getting to fight.
He said, "Sorry I'm late guys, The traffic on the way here was terrible."
(ooc: spot [1d20+2])
Ever chased a bus down three blocks just to touch it, and then run back?
I do on a daily basis.
Is there something wrong with me?
Ever chased a bus down three blocks just to touch it, and then run back?
I do on a daily basis.
Is there something wrong with me?
Jake escorts Razor Charlie to the observation/substitute room. It has communications blocks in the forms of both electronics and magic to ensure that there's no way Razor can warn the group of anything he sees before they do. He's privileged to watch from a spectator's AVS display, which shows all the details of the dungeon.
Once Razor Charlie is settled in, Jake comes back and shuffles the rest of the party towards the interview area. Seated in neighboring chairs are Chuck Nigel and Dan Moray, the anchors of SportsEvning on the EmpireSports One Network. Chuck sits pouring over his copious notes, while Dan lounges back in his chair and flirts with a cute elvish intern. As you approach, they both perk up and smile. Introductions go around and Jake motions for you to sit. He rushes around, panicked, trying to get everyone in place.
Dan sits forward and says, "Man, look at that little guy scatter. That's funny. he does that for every one of these segments. He's all messed up because he got a B on a report card one time, and thinks he has to prove himself to everybody all the time.
"What a nerd."
Chuck chuckles but answers, "Dan, leave the kid alone. We've got more important things to worry about."
"You're right, Chuck." Dan turns to address the party, "Looks like you guys might actually have a shot to win this thing. This is going to be just a fluff interview, but try and really play it up for the cameras."
Chuck pipes in, "Yeah no sweat here, so just relax and be yourselves. Looks like we're ready to go."
Jake yells for quiet and the cameraman focuses in on the set. After a silent countdown from three, the red light goes on and the show begins.
"Welcome everybody," Chuck begins, "to a special edition of SportsEvening here on ES-One. Tonight we're going to be meeting with the teams ready to crawl through the deep and dark places of Pittsburgh, Columbia."
Dan took up the introduction, "First up is IGNITION! This crew is pretty jacked up about the opportunity to be among the teams here. So, how does it feel to be around famous, and infamous, teams like the Dunguun Gangstaas, Steel Dragons, and even the Nightcrawlers?"
[OOC - The spot checks reveal to everyone a scene of a bunch of goblins running around in firefighting gear, and a shot of a group of laborers unloading some crates that are marked "3 Rivers Mining Company." The other images flash by too quickly for anyone to see what was going on.
It's up to you guys how you respond to the interview, but how well you do impacts the crowd's reaction. Just make sure you roll anything that you think is a skill attempt. Dan and Chuck will alternate questions for a little while (there are 6 planned questions) but it's up to you who answers, etc.]
Bernard's whole posture changed once the interview began, tensing up and leaning in as if he were readying to pounce on the camera. "WELL DAN I gotta tell ya, we are more stoked than a damn furnace to be here. Especially meeting the Gangstaas. They ain't lost a Cup since Detroit, and you gotta respect that. But we ain't starstruck, we ain't dazzled, 'cause the Gangstaas might be on a roll, but IGNITION is about to be ON FIRE."
To emphasize that last point, he ran his fingers through the wispy flame of his "hair". In character, Burn's voice was so cartoonishly loud that it was hard to emphasize anything vocally.
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Dan turns to Chuck and says, "Well Chuck, you gotta love that enthusiasm from this team. If motivation were all it took to win a crawl, I'd say the Gangstaas might be in trouble here."
"You're right, Dan, but we both know it takes more than bluster to make it through a Crawl, especially one created by DJ Phantom. Man, that guy's tough." Chuck turns to Tricks, "What do you make of Phantom? Any special tricks or maneuvers up your sleeve to deal with the famous, faceless DJ?"
[OOC - Burn Ward rolls a Grandstanding. 14 Despite his enthusiasm, the crowd doesn't seem particularly excited, yet.]
"Well, Chuck - they don't call me Tricks for nothing. Rest assured, My team and I are more than ready for anything Phantom's worked out. We're IGNITION, baby, and we're just getting started." Tricks punctuates the last by spreading his arms out, indicating the whole team.
Asked to elaborate further, Tricks gives the camera one of his winning smiles and places his finger alongside his nose, "Now, Chuck - that would be telling, wouldn't it. I don't see Phantom scribing his secrets on a scroll for me, you can't expect me to lay it all out there for him!"
(OOC: Perform(Mugging) 20 )
Chuck quickly tries to step in before any further damage is done. "Ouch, Dan, that sound you hear is subtle disapproval. I know teams can't give out secret methods, but it seems the crowd expected more than the usual political non-answer."
"Well, Chuck, it is IGNITION's first crawl, so they've got a lot to learn." Dan responds, and then continues. "Speaking of that, who would you guys say is your biggest inspiration for joining the eXtreme Dungeon Crawling League?"
[DC for Mugging is always 21. Tricks' Mugging attempt is a failure, but the crowd is still neutral.]
Val's eyes dart toward Tricks. Ouch.
She leans in to answer and divert a little of the pressure.
"Dan, I actually have to say I'm most interested in what the DJs have to offer for challenges. I'm a locksmith, I love working with traps and locks, and its always fun to see some new and complex mechanism. Working on one that's well-designed and innovative is a fantastic rush."
She leans back, relaxing a little as she focuses on the subject. "I know that DJs Katz and Re-Do always design their own, and there's also a freelancer Daren F that I keep track of."
She glances at the rest of the group. Someone else better jump in soon.
[Specifically trying not to mug here, if possible.]
"The Competition itself motivates me, Dan. These days, XCrawl is where the best Athletes are, the best minds, and most importantly, the best fans. I feel like the rest of the sports world just doesn't have the balls that the modern American wants in their entertainment." Tricks smiles again, a bit miffed at the previous response.
(OOC: Mugging 26 )
Burn starts nodding vigorously. "You can say that again, Tricks! When you're too rough to wrestle, too raw for RAW, there ain't no better place to show your moves than the dungeon."
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Tripster raises his rumble of a voice. "I always see the Cup in my mind, Dan. I dream of it. It's a long way to get there, but... it's a mighty fun way besides." He knew he wasn't any good at this interview thing. Best stick to the truth.
{OOC: Try at perform (mugging) as aid another: 3 }
Dan ignores Tripsters fumbled statement as he focuses in on the real show, Trickster and Burn Ward. "Now THAT's what I want to hear. Conviction, determination, and balls. That's what makes winners in the 'Crawl. I was beginning to get a little scared that you guys might not have what it takes, but with that kind of attitude, you just might survive."
"Yeah, Dan, they had me worried a bit too, but it sounds like the audience appreciated that show of guts. And they're going to need all of those to get through what Phantom's got lined up for them. Speaking of challenges, which other team do you think will present your biggest competition here today?"
Tricks reclines in his seat, looking to his left and right at his team members, "You can't deny a streak like the Gangstas', or the reputation for success that the Dragons have, but to be real honest, Chuck, none of the other teams are bringing what we do to the table. Whether it's attitude, experience, intelligence, or sheer bad-assery, IGNITION brings it to the table. We're the best team at this Crawl, period. End of story."
(OOC: Mugging 13 )
Adamant stands, rigid, and out of the way, knowing that he can't get away without talking at all.
"The Veiled Goddess herself guides us, fortune and fate calls out to the souls who yearn for triumph. Her voice resonates with the dawn, with the rising sun, and with the twilight and falling darkness of the setting sun. Our dreams are her dreams, and her dreams are our dreams. Entwined together, our success is preordained. We cannot fail, for the fates have decreed it."
(ooc: Aid another mugging 4 Hey, what do you know, looks like Adamant's style goes way over the heads of the audience =p)
Fucking hell.
Incredibly nervous, Val glances at Tricks and Adamant, and leans in. "We've got variety. The best DJs sneak up on you, they feint, they take you down not by overpowering you, but by tripping you up and hitting you when you're down. The Gangstas and the Dragons are good, hell they're great, but I got a feeling they just might not have the flexibility needed. What I want out of Phantom is surprises, I want him to come out of left field."
(OOC: Mugging aid 15 awww yeah.)
Tripster draws back slightly as he is more or less ignored by Chuck and Dan. When he saw that both of them looked rather doubtful at Tricks' pronouncement, he decided to give it another try. He knew he'd best focus on his abilities lest he'd stumble over the words. Revealing a part of his fiery spiked chain, he commented on Val's words. "There's next to nothing that can actually sneak up on me. Let's see what Phantom sends against us. Whatever it is, they'll soon find the tripping flames throwing them on their backs!"
{OOC: Mugging aid: 8 }
Last edited by Tashalar; 25th of May, 2011 at 03:04. Reason: Added 'aid' to the mugging attempt. Forgot it earlier - but how would he mug on his own with a mod of -1? ;)
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