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2009-10 Controversy Papers
We are very pleased to have five papers submitted to the CEDA Topic Selection Committee. These papers will be reviewed by the committee and then a ballot, of at least three controversies, will be distributed to the membership. There are open threads for each controversy at the cedadebate.org forums section. Please feel free to review the papers and provide your feedback to the committee.
Thanks again to each of the authors for their hard work in the service of the entire community.
- Immigration - VIK Keenan, Baruch Debate, CUNY. VIK also provided a list of immigration resources.
- Reforming International Financial Instituitions - Ryan Galloway, Samford University.
- Nuclear Weapons Policy - Jessica Yeats and Chris Jones, CSIS.
- Russia Cooperation - Steve Mancuso.
- The Taboo Topic - Toni Nielson, Christen Trammell, Joel Salcedo, Bryce Bridge, Jeanette Rodriguez, & Marvin Carter California State University, Fullerton
Updates will be provided to this site.
the 5 topic areas
my (jim hanson's) thoughts:

1. taboo topic. i'm worried about neg ground. while political backlash can certainly happen--conservative social backlash is majorily on the downturn (witness the near silence about the iowa supreme court decision on gay marriage). i also don't think siding with a backlash on this topic is all that palatable strategically nor all that fun. for all the "you are conservative sellouts" claims attached to traditional policy debate programs--a lot of us do NOT want to defend these kind of restrictive policies. i need more on how this topic can give the negative viable and i guess "morally acceptable (or even plausible) ground."

2. imf topic--as long as the topic focuses on things that the imf really has control over (rather than having to ask for more donations/funding from countries throughout the world)--this might be a good topic including for looking at a non-us agent. on the other hand--the neg is going to get to run any other country will solve (so the aff will have to be ready for tons of counterplans). yea--good affs will have imf add-ons/net bens but . . . i'm not so sure about the quality of that stuff (not saying it doesn't exist--just am not familiar with it).

3. nuclear policy--could be good. maybe it is time to cover our nuclear weapons policy indepth rather than cursorily as an impact card. i realize this isn't a favorite area for everyone but there is almost always good, specific ground on both sides of this issue and k teams can do a lot with nuclear policy discourse as well as reps that will be included in aff cases.

4. immigration policy--which i take to be an increase immigrant rights topic. my response is pretty much the same thing as the taboo topic although denying some immigration rights are, depending on the topic, more plausible. but i really don't want to have a squo denying immigrant children health care/education. not good ground. i think more explication of neg ground would be good and the topic should be explicitly crafted to avoid putting the neg in a horrible position. i get that neg flexibility has made things hard for the aff (and i agree with that) but that is NOT solved by making them defend offensive policies. yea--some of us traditional policy types are _liberals_. :)

5. russia cooperation--i worry aff's will be able to pick specific, obviously good affs on this topic and then non-unique out of disads like crazy because obama is going to cooperate with russia. that's my main worry about this topic. well, also if russia goes nuts like it did when it invaded georgia. otherwise, sounds interesting.

this is what i'm thinking initially.
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Toni has picked up conversation on some of the good observation by Jim elsewhere (facebook until edebate is friendly again), but I think Jim's initial response to both Taboo and Immigration is interesting - not wanting to defend the "evil" side of policies on the neg. First, I don't think that's necessarily a foregone conclusion even in a policy paradigm with either topic. On immigration, I think that one can still be in favor of immigrant rights, and human rights to illegal immigrants, while talking about the very real social service trade offs that will occur in this economy. I don't think prostitution in the taboo topic necessarily defaults to "sex workers are bad people" on the neg, and I think pornography is a great example of the idea that "liberals" disagree too - my Amy Adler endorsed courts counterplan that assumes free speech is going to be very different than my Andrea Dworkin "outlaw porn" arguments against the pro-porn aff.
But more importantly, how is this any different than the years of being forced into a similar position by resolutions, only on the AFFIRMATIVE side? Many kritikal affirmative teams have evolved simply from rejecting the premise that they should be forced to advocate such politics every time they are affirmative. This simply flips the predisposition of the politics of the debates, except that on the negative you aren't confined to the topic and the same position of advocacy in the same way, making it less onerous than the common practice if you are in fact a "liberal".
One of the common arguments against such kritikal affirmatives is that it puts neg's into such "untenable" positions such as "Racism Good". If you've ever made this argument in front of me as a judge and didn't notice my obvious eye-roll and putting down the pen for your whining, let me explain why you lost the round: Just because someone solves for racism doesn't me they solve for it in the best way. In fact, it doesn't mean their way actually solves racism at all, or doesn't have it's own problems. I also think world peace, ending famine, and not causing world war 3 are good things too, but I would never claim it was unfair for the affirmative to claim them as advantages in a policy debate because now my only choice is to run Wipe Out. I would debate the policy. Policy debates have evolved counterplans specifically because of this issues - no one wanted to say "feeding starving people in Africa is bad" either. In the same way, just because an aff increases rights doesn't mean they have the best approach or that theren't are real trade-offs to others.
I actually agree with Jim on the nuclear policy paper, and would prefer it over Russia for the same concern he and others have expressed - what if the sqo is to increase cooperation? I think the nuclear policy paper can access some of the more interesting cooperation advantages with Russia without necessarily sticking the neg in non-uniqe land. The educator in me kind of likes the idea of getting depth with the traditional advantage areas (and if I have to relive the D* debate, let it be the focus, not the add-on).
I think everyone is in agreement that wording would be critical to the financial institution topic. In premise, a good and timely topic. In actuality,we're the people who also picked the EU wording and can't always match harms areas with solvency mechanisms.
I will add that after a year of immigration debates (day job), I do think it has promise as a topic. The resolution I had been using was essentially bidirectional and included border control policies. I think there is substantial negative ground that interior policies absent border control won't solve, that there is a potential fiscal trade off between increasing domestic services and border control, and that specific pro-illegal immigrant policies would potentially increase illegal immigration in the short term at a time when market forces may have led to a natural decrease in population migration to the US. One of the things about this topic that I and the students have enjoyed over the past year is that there really isn't a conclusive answer. I really think immigration is a topic that comes down to research and debate skill, and not side biases or constructions of fairness. Also, just to quiet some of Jim's fears, the sqo makes it generally illegal to deny immigrant children public education, so unless a neg chose to overrule Plyler v. Doe, 457 US 202 (1982), I think the bigger debate would be about what happens to those children when they graduate and whether public college education is also legitamately accessible. The differing state laws on health care, AND especially the discrepancies in local law enforcement as immigration enforcement, make the debate much more nuanced on the "denying children health care" end as well.


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Thursday, December 20, 2012
Amethyst. Not a Christmas Elf.
stiffened and moulded leather.
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Wow! What a beauty! The details are stunning and I, for one, have no problem with the "leather head" description...your work speaks for itself, regardless of how it's described! Also, the Marley doorknocker is absolutely AWESOME!ReplyDelete
Amethyst is so pretty. Love her dagger. The leather head technique sounds really cool and came out very nice!ReplyDelete
I wouldn't worry about how it sounds. I'd just put in the description that her face is made of leather. That doesn't sound so bad!
Love the door knocker! What a cool idea! I have a friend who looooves A Christmas Carol (he even bought a gown to wear like Scrooge's!). He would LOVE this idea.Replies
Oh, thank you! It was fun, getting together all the bits for this doll. The little dagger used to belong to Hubby. I ought to get him a replacement.Delete
You're right, maybe I should just come out and say how it's made, and then see what people think.
You friend has a Scrooge-style nightshirt? How wonderful!
she is a beautiful doll, Rhisanna. I, as a complete ignoramus in doll making, would have never understood that the doll's head is made of leather.it looks nice and indeed natural. so carry on, moreover, if you like ti this way, why not?:)ReplyDelete
have a great day! Anna
Your doll is amazing! Truly she is stunning! A leather head, does not bother me. Funny how it would bother some people? Your creepy Christmas wreath is cool! Have a very Merry Christmas ;o)ReplyDelete
Amethyst's hair look like human hair, isn't it?ReplyDelete
Cool doll...Replies
I have heard tell of leather faced dolls, but never seen one. Very clever, very charming. I really like her delicate lips!ReplyDelete
She's lovely:) I've seen dolls that had faces made with chamois leather. They were made in the 1920's as boudoir dolls. I don't know where you'd get chamois today. My dad used to buy it in pieces and use it to wipe down his car after he washed it...LOL It was so soft when it was wet but dried hard as a rock til you wet it again.ReplyDeleteReplies
Oooh! Thank you, Mary Ann! See, I didn't know that 20's boudoir dolls had chamois heads. That's what this leather is, white-glue-soaked chamois! It's pretty tough when dry, as you said, and the glue adds some strength. I've always assumed if they got wet, the heads would turn back into mushy leather.Delete
You can find chamois sometimes. the problem is finding a big enough piece. The stuff I used to get in the UK was old-fashioned and cured with some kind of fish oil. Yah, it smelled awful! Took a year or so for the smell to fade!
Here I found one for you.....http://frauwulf.blogspot.ca/2012/01/french-suede-faced-flapper-jane.htmlReplyDelete
Oooo....there is much here to comment on! OK,that doll, her face is SO LOVELY! LEATHER????? How on earth do you do that?Do you get a special leather for dolls? It is truly gorgeous my dear Rhissanna and then.....those lines from A Christmas Carol....I will never forget them as when I was a child, reading this story over and over gave me chills! I saw the old 1951 movie the other night and it really captured the creepiness of Marley's ghost!ReplyDelete
ENJOY A LOVE FILLED CHRISTMAS! AnitaReplies
Thank you so much, Anita! it's just ordinary chamois leather like you can use to wash cars and windows. It goes very soft in water, which makes it possible to drape and fold the stuff into shape. I add PVA (white glue) to the soaking water, to make sure the leather is strong and a bit flexible when dried.Delete
I keep meaning to do a tutorial. When I started doing this, a little over ten years ago, the internet was still a baby and I couldn't find any instructions or guides.
Oh, yes, that's a good version! Hubby and I watch the Muppet's version, with Michael Caine. It's surprisingly close to the book and we know all the songs!
I find this very intriguing, a doll face made out of thin leather. It reminds me of the Martha Chase vintage dolls and other German vintage dolls. I could see an Izannah Walker doll face made this way, it may just work.ReplyDelete
Amethyst is beautiful, even though she was to be a boy elf.
I adore her clothing and sword and embellishments...very, very lovely.
Have a Happy New Year!
Thank you so much, Teresa. I'd forgotten how pretty her shoes were. It was a wrench to give her back!Delete
I really ought to try and make another, as my father-in-law tracked down some of the right leather for me. I'll have to look up Martha Chase dolls. The name is familiar but I can't remember what her dolls look like. You're quite right! An Izannah Walker would be fun to make this way as the leather takes paint really well.
I think the idea of leather heads sounds very authentic, very old world. I think it makes them seem more valuable. Great idea!ReplyDeleteReplies
Thank you, Elizabeth! I had rather expected to find that leather was a traditional material for dolls' heads, but there don't seem to be many around. Kid leather bodies, yes, heads, not so much. But I'm delighted to hear they sound authentic. The material moulds to shape so well, I'm not sure why there aren't more dolls like this out there.Delete
Rhissana...on gosh ! I love this doll ...her face is absolutely precious.....ReplyDelete
Thank you all for the wonderful and supportive things you say! I'm thrilled to read them and I reply to each one.


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From the kitchen of One Perfect Bite...I've been experimenting with serving size today. I'm having a buffet luncheon this month, but I have more people coming than I have places at my table. I want to serve a meal that can be eaten from a paper plate and balanced on a lap in a crowded room. Quiche immediately came to mind, but I thought a standard piece would be difficult to serve and eat given the circumstances. I eyed my Texas-sized muffin pan and thought the cups would make perfect small tarts if they were lined with pastry and filled with a cheesy custard. My test run was done using an unbaked pie crust from the grocery store. I cut it into 6 circles and used them to line the large muffin cups. My family is partial to an onion tart that I make several times a year. I used the filling from that tart for the petite version I was testing for the luncheon. It took about 20 minutes to make and another 30 minutes to bake my test version of the tarts. When done, it was obvious that they'd make for neater serving at the table, and they were also small enough to be eaten without a fork, which would be great for a buffet. I'm not yet sure I'll serve the tarts for the luncheon, but I like the idea of small, individual servings, and, with all due modesty, I must say they are delicious. I hope you'll give them a try. Here is how they are made.
1 unbaked pie crust
6 slices smoked bacon or 4 ounces smoked salmon
3 tablespoons canola oil (optional)
1-1/2 cups chopped onion
2 cups (8-oz.) Gruyere cheese, shredded
2 large eggs, slightly beaten
3/4 dairy sour cream
1/2 teaspoon kosher salt
1/2 teaspoon fresh ground black pepper
1 cup (4-oz.) sharp cheddar cheese, shredded
1) Preheat oven to 375 degrees F. Cut 6 (5-inch) circles from pie crust. Fit pieces them into Texas-sized muffin cups. Set aside.
2) If using bacon, fry in a medium saute pan until crisp. Transfer to paper toweling and crumble. Pour off all but 3 tablespoons bacon drippings. If using salmon, shred and set aside.
3) Saute onions in reserved bacon drippings or 3 tablespoons canola oil until limp and caramelized. Cool slightly.
4) Place Gruyere cheese, sour cream, eggs, salt and pepper in a large bowl. Add bacon or salmon and onions. Mix well. Place into lined muffin cups. Sprinkle tops with cheddar cheese.
5) Bake in lower third of oven for 25 to 30 minutes, or until knife inserted into center of custard comes out clean. Let stand for 10 to 15 minutes. Remove from pan and serve. Yield: 6 servings.
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Hope you're spending Earth Day outside getting fit in the sun! These five fitness products will make you feel even more like a fit, green superhero--think, like, Captain Planet in a sexy workout tank, k?
I adore the breezy cut and built in support of this yoga tank--it's perfect for running the errands I always end up doing after my gym sessions without looking like I just, uh, came from the gym. I also love that it's 86 percent recycled polyester.
This towel's totally-in-season color (it's called Poppy, FYI) was enough to sell me on this towel that's so absorbent, it actually dries me off after ass-kicking hot yoga, but I couldn't believe how green it was, too. The eQua Plus towel is actually made from COCONA fabric, woven from fibers of recycled coconut shells. "The yarn is infused with activated carbon which spreads and evaporates moisture and provides superior odor management by eliminating bacteria." Um...brilliant.
Bonus: If you practice yoga at home, or you like having something medicine ball-esque around for resistance while lifting, consider Manduka's also eco-friendly cork block, which I use: it's made from sustainable cork!
Brooks GreenSilence Running Shoe
The Green Silence is unlike any running shoe I've into which I've ever stepped; it's so light I can feel the wind whooshing through the webbing, but I never fear for support, even with my weak ankles. Its green story is nearly a novel: 75 percent of the shoe is made from post-consumer materials, which include plastic bottles, recycled tires, and even recycled CDs!
11 plastic water and soda bottles were rescued from a life of landfilldom for a much more stylish destination: this Yogitoes bag, which is made of 100 percent (yes, I said one-hundred) post-consumer recycled material. Plus, a percentage of the sales goes to 5 Gyres to promote pollution education.
UnderArmour UA Green Catalyst Shortsleeve
If you weren't already officially kind of weirded out looking at that bottle of Vitamin Water on your desk, learning that this perfect-for-everything-active shortsleeve, plus everything in the Under Armour UA Green line is made from melted down, stretched out plastic water bottles. Cool.
What are your favorite green fitness brands? Is eco-consciousness important to you when you're looking at workout apparel?
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Ponzi Scheme Requires Social Security Reform
Recently elected with renewed vigor President Bush is talking about privatizing portions of Social security. We should stop and consider what he has to say before writing off this significant opportunity.
First, is it fair to characterize Social Security as a ponzi scheme? Dictionary.com defines a 'ponzi scheme' as an investment swindle in which high profits are promised from fictitious sources and early investors are paid off with funds raised from later ones. Are our children, currently entering the workforce, reasonably assured their monies contributed guarantee a government pay out in the end? Or, have the earlier investors been paid off with funds raised from those who contributed later in the scheme? Did 'New Deal' architect FDR perpetrate a fraud on the American people?
In contrast America's employers would never be permitted to run a retirement plan the way the government runs Social Security. Actuarially it is unsound.
How much monthly income would our seasoned citizens now have if they were permitted to invest their contributions in the market? Currently they FICA tax is 15.3% with half paid by the employer and half paid by the employee.
By comparison the average American contributes only 5.3% and the employer contributes on average 2.9%to a 401k account (see link). Imagine how much wealthier all seasoned citizens would be - how much wealthier our country would be if the entire FICA tax was invested in a separate account for every American.
Some say the government can administer the program for less claiming the administrative cost is approximately 1% of assets. They cite that low fee as if no one can do it more cost effectively. For a comparison let's just look at the Vanguard S&P 500 Index fund where the asset management fee is only 25 basis points to cover administrative fees. This is an example of a no load fund, which means the stockbrokers make no fees or commissions.
For those who don't know, 25 basis points is 1/4 of 1% or three quarters of a percent less than what many claim is the administration fee for Social Security. Private industry can almost always do it less expensively than government, or do I need to remind everyone how much the military pays for hammers and toilet seats.
When it comes to running programs the government does not generally do us any favors - it never has and never will. Although they are very good at making us think otherwise. Conservatives understand this basic principle. The liberals are still struggling to get it.
Above all don't despair. Change is inevitable. It will take time and cost a ton of money to make the transition from government to private industry. That means it won't happen overnight and most of us over 40 will probably be stuck on the old system. Just relax and open your minds for the sake of your/our children.
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There are two bedrooms either of which can be made up as single or double beds. There is also a folding bed if needed. The top bedroom is on a mezzanine floor though the design does provide some privacy if you're not standing at the rail. The lower bedroom is level with the garden so it's possible to walk out into the garden through the french doors. This room has doors to the main living area. There is also a travel cot available if needed.
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Located in a charming mountain village, this lovely boutique hotel is at the foot of the Tramuntana mountains and surrounded by the scents of citrus trees. A perfect base for walkers, who like to return to comfort, peace and tranquility after a strenuous day! The location is truly spectacular and the hotel offers various ways to enjoy these natural assets - a pool and jacuzzi with fabulous views, hammocks hanging among the citrus trees....


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o.k, this might sound a bit strange to you but yes I am starting a blog and website about laundry detergent coupons, well to me I think it is a good idea to help other people save money. Basically what I do is collect coupons and also raise a few kids. Believe me with all the sports they play the laundry detergent costs really start to add up!
With a few kids and our clothing I found I was spending a lot on detergent and then started thinking to myself "how can I save more money?" Then it hit me, I should search for coupons online. I started looking around and was amazed at how much I could save just by looking for coupons for laundry detergent. The good thing is that I am not to picky on which one I use, I usually just buy whatever is on sale anyways. For this reason it was very easy for me to save, I would find tide coupons, gain coupons, purex coupons and more. After I started saving so much money I thought I would share my knowledge with others.
Well I don't really have a tonne of friends and I spend a little time online each day so I thought why not start up a blog and just post the new coupons that I find on here, that way anyone searching will find them. My plan is to update this blog any time i find a new coupons for tide, gain, purex, cheer or any of the top laundry detergents. I will not post any junk coupons either, just the good stuff!
Once I get a few good coupons up here I will improve the website, maybe a nicer design and an option to subscribe. This is my first post and I was so excited that I just wanted to get it up and share!


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Startups who won BIG at Velocity Fund Finals
Last Thursday during an exciting and eventful Velocity Fund Finals, 6 startups won major funding. With a large crowd looking on in the audience, and on Livestream, we watched three $1K prizes be awarded. Out of 10 competing companies, Suncayr won two of the awards: Most Innovative and People's Choice, and Boogaloo Bunks won Best Pitch. Here's what the $1K winners had to say about their experience:
"We are extremely grateful to have received these awards and they will really help us get to the next step. It is amazing to be surrounded by such like-minded innovative entrepreneurs."- Rachel Pautler, Co-Founder & CEO of Suncayr
"There's no better feeling than pitching something you've been working so hard on to a massive audience full of your friends and family. Boogaloo Bunks would like to give a HUGE thanks to the Velocity team for putting together such a supportive event. – Caleb Polley, Founder of Boogaloo Bunks
The afternoon competition following the $1K awards was electrifying as 10 startups competed for four $25K awards. In the end, ExVivo Labs, Grobo, MAJiK Systems and Ubiq held up their big $25K cheques to a large audience in the Student Life Centre at the University of Waterloo.
Ubiq won an additional $10K for best hardware startup – an award introduced last term for the first time. The $25K winners reflect on VFF:
"This is an enormous opportunity for us at ExVivo, and a flash-point, we hope, for science-based start-ups in the Velocity program at the University of Waterloo. We can't wait to pour all our efforts into making ExVivo a success." – Eric Blondeel & Moufeed Kaddoura, Co-Founders of ExVivo Labs.
"The energy, excitement, and support that we experienced at VFF was just incredible. The funds will allow Grobo to continue to build our team, develop our growing systems, and ship product within the next 12 months." – Bjorn Dawson,Founder & CEO of Grobo Inc.
"The field of startups was the strongest and most innovative we've seen in the competition, including some great ideas in the hardware and manufacturing sectors. It was all the sweeter for us because we were runners up last term. No regrets!" -Michael Tatham, Co-Founder & CEO of MAJiK Systems
"It was a great opportunity for funding, and to see our hard work recognized by known investors and the community." – Sumit Pasupalak,Founder of Ubiq Inc.
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Detectives who arrested people following swoops on homes early yesterday have released the suspects as inquiries continue.
Seven people were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to supply heroin.
A 35-year-old man and a 27-year-old woman were arrested in Hopper Terrace, Shotton Colliery.
A 40-year-old man was arrested in Rugby Street, Hartlepool; a 37-year-old man and a 33-year-old woman were arrested in South Parade, Hartlepool.
A 28-year-old man and a 59-year-old woman, were arrested in Sandy Lane, Liverpool.
They have since been released on bail as inquiries continue.
A police spokesman said in the aftermath of the raids: "The suspects were arrested this morning by officers from Durham Constabulary's specialist crime operations unit, assisted by police officers from Cleveland and Merseyside.
"They are being held for questioning at police stations in Durham and Liverpool.
"The arrests follow an inquiry which began last summer after a drug was seized when a vehicle was stopped in the Shotton Colliery area."
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Making the dry rub: In a medium bowl, combine the kosher salt, smoked paprika, coriander seeds, brown sugar, fennel seeds, yellow mustard seeds, crushed black peppercorns, ground cloves and garlic.
Making the gravlax: Lay the salmon, skin-side down, on a clean, dry surface. Pack the dry rub evenly over the fillets and wrap each piece tightly in two layers of plastic wrap. Place one piece of the fish, skin-side down, in a pan large enough to accommodate it. Place the other piece, skin-side up, on top of the first. Lay a cutting board on top of the fish, and weigh down the board with tomato cans. Refrigerate for 24 hours. Unwrap the fish and drain the liquid. Re-wrap the fish tightly and reverse the position of the fillets. Return to the refrigerator, chill for another 24 hours and repeat the process again. Remove the salmon from the plastic wrap and brush off the spices and salt. Very thinly slice the salmon on the bias using an extremely sharp knife.
Toast the pumpernickel and rub each slice with garlic. Combine the mustard and honey, then spread onto the toast and garnish with several slices of pastrami gravlax. Finish with baby arugula and/or slices of garlic dill pickles.


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Consumer Affairs Commissioner Gary Clements has issued the following statement in relation to the Price Exploitation Prevention Act 2002.
Australians dreaming of their summer holiday are being encouraged to 'pack some peace of mind' when booking their next trip.
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This year the theme for National Consumer Fraud Week is "Know Who You're Dealing With".
Scammers are using more and more sophisticated methods to try and part you with your money. Always think twice if someone that you don't know is asking for your money. If someone cold calls you or sends you a text, never take it for granted that the person who has called you is genuine unless you know them.
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The Commissioner of Consumer Affairs, Gary Clements, has issued a public warning to consumers not to deal with Joseph Ronald Gass trading as Drover Industries.
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Treat me fairly
In 2011, the United States Wisconsin governor Scott Walker proposed cuts to workers' rights to collective bargaining and increases in their health insurance contributions. The changes were hotly contested. This may seem far removed from workplaces in other parts of the US and other parts of the world but it is significant. The curiosity is that workers were quicker to agree to the higher contributions than they have been to the loss of negotiating rights inspite of the higher contributions leaving them out of pocket. This suggests that fairness matters enormously in wage bargaining. Workers were furious at the loss of negotiating rights because they feel that this will deprive them of a fair hearing.
An experiment by researchers at the University of Zurich established just how important fairness is. They got pairs of people to sell tickets to nightclubs and bars, at a flat hourly rate. They then arbitrarily cut the pay of one member of the pair by 25 per cent. This had a catastrophic effect upon his effort. On average, workers suffering the cut sold 34 per cent fewer tickets.
Doesn't this just show that, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys? Well, no, it doesn't. When the researchers cut the pay of both members of the pair, sales fell by only 15 per cent – less than half as much. This shows how important fairness is. A worker who feels badly treated will perform much worse than one who suffers a more equitable pay cut. People are motivated by justice, not by wages alone.
How much do I value my benefits?
Our second curious case is the reaction to proposals in the United Kingdom to change the pension system for public sector workers. Under the plans, the age at which a person is entitled to claim a pension goes up, benefits increase less quickly and pensions are based on career-average earnings rather than on final salaries. This potentially lowers the amount received. The thing is, these proposals hit younger workers more than older ones; older workers have built up entitlements under the existing system which will not be affected. And yet opposition to them seems milder among the young than among the old. This raises a worrying possibility, that people are guilty of what economists call hyperbolic discounting.
What's 'hyperbolic discounting'
The problem here is not that we pay too little heed to the future. It's rather that our attitudes to the future are inconsistent. Which would you prefer – €80 now or €100 in a year's time? And which of these would you prefer – €80 in five years' time, or €100 in six? These two choices are, logically, identical; the latter is the same as the first, except for a five-year delay. Your answers to both choices should therefore be the same. However, some researchers have found that this is not always the case. The research shows some people prefer €80 now to €100 in a year's time, but €100 in six years' time to €80 in five. This inconsistency is hyperbolic discounting. This can badly distort our thinking about pensions and savings. A hyperbolic discounter behaves in a way that his future self will regret. The person takes €80 today rather than €100 next year. Then tomorrow, another €80 is taken rather than €100 in 366 days' time, and so on. The person never gets around to choosing the €100 in six years' time over the €80 in five. The longer-term choice that his future self would want is never chosen. Too little is saved.
I fear that the lack of hostility by young workers to the pension proposals might reflect this excessive discounting.
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The message here is simple. Our total return from working consists of more than our pay packet. It also comprises not just pensions and healthcare benefits, but even the pay of our co-workers. And this has a couple of implications. First, if you feel unfairly treated at work, do something – consider either having it out with your boss, or moving on. If you don't, be aware your sense of being maltreated will likely affect your performance and could make it even harder for you to get pay rises later.
Secondly, when you are young – hard as it is – try to imagine being older or ill. Health insurance (for Americans) and pensions (for us all) are not something to leave until you're older. If you delay the job of sorting them out, you could well delay too long. If we exclude cases of extreme luck, the main influence upon our income in old age is how much we save, rather than how we save. And one way to save a lot is to start early.
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Calling all Kennedys
When Sen. Carte Goodwin (D-W.Va.) was sworn in earlier this week, he added another chapter to a family regarded as the "Kennedys of West Virginia".
Goodwin's father -- the late Stephen Patrick Goodwin -- chaired West Virginia University's board of governors; his uncle, Joseph, is a federal judge and his cousin, Robert Booth Goodwin, is a U.S. Attorney. Goodwin's wife, Rochelle, serves as state director for the state's senior senator, Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) (himself no stranger to political dynasties).
The dynasty question came up at last week's press conference when West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin (D) announced his appointment of Goodwin. Asked about criticism that the Goodwin name "been associated with the elite of West Virginia," the soon-to-be senator drew laughter and applause with his quick rejoinder: "I would submit that there is no such thing as an elite from Mount Alto, West Virginia."
Still, Goodwin's ascension to the Senate and deep political pedigree got us to thinking about political royal families in each state. Obviously there are Kennedys (Jack, Bobby, Ted, Joe and so on and so forth) in Massachusetts, the Humphreys (Hubert, Muriel and Skip) in Minnesota and the Cuomos (Mario and Andrew) in New York.
But what about the other 46 states in the country? Who is the family (or families) that amount to a de facto political dynasty in each one? (Bonus points if you can point us to younger members of those dynasties who might be eyeing future bids for public office.)
That's where the Fixistas come in. We need your on-the-ground knowledge to build a comprehensive state-by-state list.
Make your suggestions in the comments section below. We'll gather the suggestions and publish them out in this space.
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Colorado: The Salazars and the Romers
Posted by: rhymecarp | July 27, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse
Posted by: cowpasture2 | July 27, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse
OK - Gaylords, Boren
Posted by: DCAtty | July 27, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse
In Michigan, it used the be the Romneys on the GOP side, but they've switched states & the last Romney to run was by marriage only; the DeVos' of Amway fame are big players in the Republican party but they can't win elections.
On the Democratic side, I'd nominate the Levins--Sandy & Carl have held a number of state-federal offices, their brother had been elected a supreme court judge & one of the sons barely lost a state senate race but will running again thanks to a term-limited opponent. Other Levins have run for office & one is a federal judge in Michigan
Posted by: wcounsler | July 27, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse
I agree the Simpsons probably head the list in Wyoming for now, but another family to consider is the Hansens. Cliff Hansen was governor and U.S. Senator. (His successor in the Senate was Alan Simpson). Cliff's daughter, Mary Mead, was the GOP nominee for governor in 1990, and Mary's son, Matt, a former U.S. Attorney, is a Republican candidate for governor this year, running against Colin Simpson. It's a small world and a small state (population-wise).
Posted by: scott_farris | July 27, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse
Tennessee - The Fords
You've got Harold Ford Sr. and Jr., obviously, both of whom represented Memphis in Congress for a total of 32 years. But Harold, Sr.'s brother, John, also served in the state senate and the Memphis city council; Emmitt Ford took Sr.'s old job in the state house; James Ford was on the Memphis city council and the Shelby County Commission; Ophelia Ford is also in the state house; and Joe Ford served as mayor of Memphis. They're all siblings. Edmund, of the next generation, is (or was, I'm not super current on all this) on the city council.
Posted by: kejones4 | July 26, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse
Washington: I vote for the Dunn's/Gorton's. Yes Jennifer Dunn was a great Congresswoman and her son is a great County Councilmember who could go far politicaly. But what most people forget is that Jennifer Dunn's mother was Helen Gorton, and was a distant cousin to U.S. Senator Slade Gorton.
Posted by: caseyb0921 | July 26, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse
Keith Sebelius -former GOP Rep. from the First District, was a member of Congress for decades. His son, Keith 'Gary' defended Brown v. Board of Education, and is married to Kathleen (HHS Secy and former KS governor), whose father, John J. Gilligan (D-OH), was Governor of Ohio - making them the first father/daugher Governor Pair in history.
Posted by: debatechick | July 26, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse
Alaska: the Begiches (Nick and Mark) and the Murkowskis. (The Murkowskis hope the Palin kids choose a different profession.)
In my state of Washington, our politicians don't seem to breed politics into their kids.
In those twin commonwealths of Pennsylvania and Massachusetts, don't forget the Kerry-Heinz coupling.
Finally, let's not count out the Chelsea Clinton and Marc Mezvinsky marriage, which unites politicians in Arkansas, New York, Iowa, and Pennsylvania. Either one could end up being a powerhouse.
Posted by: maris9 | July 26, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse
As for up-and-comers who may form future dynasties, I'd suggest twin brothers Julian and Joaquin Castro of Texas. Julian is the mayor of San Antonio -- the nation's 7th-largest city -- and his brother Joaquin serves in the Texas House.
Democrats haven't won a single statewide race in Texas since 1994, and there are twenty-five offices that are elected by the entire state. That's a long losing streak. However, the state's increasing Hispanic population may diminish the heavily-Republican nature of the state sometime in the next decade. A center-left Democrat like one of the Castro brothers might have a decent shot at winning a statewide race then.
Posted by: austinpost | July 23, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse
Oklahoma: The Borens and Edmondsons
Current Congressman Dan Boren (D-2nd district, OK) is the son of former US Senator and Oklahoma Governor David Boren. Lyle H. Boren (father of David Boren and grandfather of Dan Boren) served in the US House from 1937 to 1947.
Drew Edmondson, the Oklahoma Attorney General, is running for the Democratic nomination for governor. His father,
Ed Edmondson, was a US Congressman from Oklahoma from 1953-1973. Drew's brother, James E. Edmondson, served on the Oklahoma Supreme Court.
Drew Edmondson's uncle, J. Howard Edmondson, served as governor and was appointed to the US Senate to serve out Robert Kerr's term.
Posted by: okberkowitz1 | July 23, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse
..and back to West Virginia, Jay Rockefeller's wife, Sharon PERCY Rockefeller, daugher of Charles Percy (Senator, Illinois)
Sebelius, yes, from Ohio or Gilligan's Island.
Posted by: newbeeboy | July 23, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse
MN- The Mondales
Chicago- Daleys
Posted by: DumpsterDiving | July 23, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse
Illinois: I saw good comments but nobody mentioned the young Patrick Daley, the Mayor's son who is now in the military. Forget all the wannabees, Rich Daley won't stop being Mayor (assuming good health)until his son Patrick is ready to take over.
Posted by: MikeK3 | July 23, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse
In Mississippi, the Waller family or the Barbour family. Bill Waller is the current (elected) Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and may run for governor in 2011. His father also served as governor. Current Governor Haley Barbour is somehow related to William Barbour who was a federal judge for many years.
Posted by: robbinsjoh | July 23, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse
Kathleen Sebelius and her father in law who was Governor of IOhio. His name escapes me right now but I think it was maybe Gilligan?
Posted by: COSDem | July 23, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse
Louisiana: Long Family (Democrats)
Huey Long, U.S. Senator/governor
Earl Long, governor
Russell B. Long, U.S. Senator
Gillis William Long, U.S. Representative
Speedy O. Long, U.S. Representative
and many more, they even have a Wiki page, and one Long is still holding office, but as a Republican (!)
Posted by: christoph_berlin | July 23, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse
Alabama has a well-known political dynasty in the Wallace Family. George Wallace served as governor for four terms: 1963–1967, 1971–1979 and 1983–1987. His wife, Lurleen Burns Wallace, was governor from 1967 to her death in 1968. George Wallace, Jr. has served as State Treasurer and on the public service commission and recently failed in an attempt to return to the State Treasurer's office.
The O'Neal family provided Alabama with the "father - son governors" of Edward O'Neal (1882-86)and Emmet O'Neal (1911-1915). The O'Neal family remains a socially influential family in the state.
Stephen Foster Black, grandson of US Supreme Court Justice, Hugo Black, made a bid for the State Treasurer's office in 2002. He is currently at the Univeristy of Alabama.
Posted by: bibbejr | July 23, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse
The Bush family in Texas. George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush and "P" Bush the young up and coming son of Jeb who lives in Texas and has the advantage of hispanic heritage with a Columbian born mother. Of course there is not to be forgotten Prescott Bush who was GHW Bush's father and long time Senator from Connecticut and I believe Barbara Bush's family has a background in political life as well.
Posted by: jnorow | July 23, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse
Don't forget the Tafts of Ohio, which go back to President and Chief Justice William Howard Taft and continued down to the recently deposed Governor Robert Taft. His father, Bob, was called "Mr. Republican," if I'm not mistaken.
Posted by: lmhankins | July 23, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse
In South Dakota, Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin is the granddaughter of former Gov. Ralph Herseth.
And former Sen. and Prez candidate George McGovern's grandson Matt McGovern has been discussed (among gossipers) as a possible statewide candidate. He's currently the South Dakota state director of Repower America.
Posted by: xshelteringskyx | July 23, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse
In the Rocky Mountain West or Southwest, no family rivals the UDALL brethren; yet. But Ken Salazar's brother is a moderate-D star in Congress... and Ex Gov. Roy Romer's son is running for Mayor of Denver...
Posted by: katiereinisch | July 23, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse
It's reaching back a ways, but let's not forget the Roosevelts of New York: TR, FDR, and a bunch of sons, not to mention Eleanor.
Posted by: Bondosan | July 23, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse
Oklahoma - Edmondsons & Borens
Posted by: skdonnell | July 23, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse
In Virginia, I think you might want to consider the Obenshain family. Dick Obenshain won a heated convention for the Republican nomination for US Senate in 1978, but died in a tragic plane crash later that summer. The Republican Party of Virginia headquarters is named after him. His daughter Kate was the first female chair of the RPV. His son Mark is a popular state senator and I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to run for statewide office in the not too distant future.
The Byrd family doesn't really control the political landscape in Virginia anymore, but they definitely left their mark. It's almost impossible to drive around parts of Richmond or the Shenandoah Valley without seeing buildings named after Harry Byrd.
Posted by: ryansneddon | July 23, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse
Already mentioned, but a little more on the Casey lot in Pa. Besides Bob Sr. (state senator, state auditor general, governor) and Bob Jr. (state auditor general, state treasurer, U.S. Senator) there is brother Pat, former congressional candidate who was unsuccessful against Don Sherwood in the 90s, and brother Chris, a lawyer who was considered as U.S. Attorney and mentioned as a possible candidate for state attorney general. Pat also has been mentioned as a possible successor to Paul Kanjorski since the city of Scranton has been redistricted into PA-11 since his last congressional run
Posted by: keystoner | July 23, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse
In Maryland the Curran-O'Malley family.
Posted by: mhaag1 | July 23, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse
Florida - The Diaz-Balarts, The Macks, The Smathers.
Posted by: islandgirl32226 | July 23, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse
Reminds me of a printed tee shirt that Albatross and Finch put out several years back..
'It's All Relative in West Virginia'
Posted by: newbeeboy | July 23, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse
Pa.: the Caseys
N.J.: the Frelinghuysens
Ohio: the Tafts
Posted by: von_wallenstein | July 23, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse
In Wisconsin LaFollette family members have been part of the political landscape for 100 years.
Posted by: gupton2 | July 23, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse
DrainYou wrote,
"ATTENTION CORPORATE MEDIA OUTLETS (I'm looking at you again, Chris Cillizza)
Now Is The Time To Reopen Breitbart's And Faux News' ACORN Fraud "Story" -- And Get The Story Right"
(omitted the blather)
You've spammed every thread on the blog with this gibberish. Just because no one responds to such idiocy doesn't mean they haven't seen it. Why don't you post it a few more times.
Everyone knows that ACORN was a criminal enterprise of leftist freeloaders---that's why they're out of business. You provide a link to Salon.com, the one place in the world with less credibility than Breitbart.
Faux News! Faux News! Faux News!
Now do some more crack and go back to Mother Goose where the real truth can be found.
Posted by: Brigade | July 23, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse
In Vermont we have Thomas P Salmon who was the 75th governor and his son Thomas M Salmon who is current Auditor of Accounts in
And do you all remember when Jack Kennedy quoted his father after the Wisconsin primary to say: Jack don't buy one more vote than necessary?
Posted by: canaldoc | July 23, 2010 5:40 AM | Report abuse
Apologies, one correction. The almost unbroken run of Browns running statewide goes back to 1946, so the Truman Presidency, not Eisenhower's.
Posted by: qlangley | July 23, 2010 3:14 AM | Report abuse
Kennedys and Udalls are out of everyone else's league. There are Kennedys not only in MA, but dotted all over the North East (MD, NY and RI, off the top of my head) and Udalls all over the West.
On a pure state level, the Browns run away with it all. Not only do they dominate the largest state, but there has been a Brown on the statewide ballot every gubernatorial year except 2002, 1998, and 1986 going all the way back to the Eisenhower Presidency. Of course, they don't always win. Pat lost his third gubernatorial bid, Jerry lost his Senate race, and Kathleen lost the governorship. Jerry's race for governor this year is looking like a toss up.
Posted by: qlangley | July 23, 2010 3:11 AM | Report abuse
The Byrds of Virginia,father and son Harry Flood Byrd, both senator.
Posted by: tbrock100 | July 23, 2010 1:34 AM | Report abuse
ATTENTION CORPORATE MEDIA OUTLETS (I'm looking at you again, Chris Cillizza)
Now Is The Time To Reopen Breitbart's And Faux News' ACORN Fraud "Story" -- And Get The Story Right
Shirley Sherrod's case parallels similar deceptions used by the right in that other big smear (ACORN) -- and offers a chance to restore your lost standards
"Recalling Breitbart from his days as eager lackey to Matt Drudge, I warned from the beginning that nothing he produced would resemble journalism. More than once since then, I've mentioned the accumulating evidence of deception by O'Keefe and Breitbart in creating and then publicizing the ACORN tale. It was a "scandal" that became a national story only after wildly biased coverage on Fox News Channel, followed by sloppy, scared reporting in mainstream outlets, notably the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and the national TV networks (some of whom flagellated themselves for failing to publicize this canard sooner!)."
"Investigations by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger, Brooklyn District Attorney Charles J. Hynes, California Attorney General Jerry Brown, and the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, among others, have served to exonerate ACORN of the most outrageous charges of criminality (while still criticizing ACORN employees and leadership). More important, from the perspective of journalistic ethics, those investigations revealed that the videotapes released and promoted by Breitbart's website were selectively and deceptively edited to serve as propaganda, not news."
This raised a question that still hasn't been answered: Beyond blaming Breitbart, Faux News, will the corporate media ever take a good hard look at themselves? Breitbart and Faux would not get away with their lies if the rest of the media weren't using their own bullhorns to blindly promote those lies, repeating without reporting, as has become their habit. Sources either prove credible or they do not, and Breitbart and Faux are not credible. Conason has a suggestion for those traditional media sources that promoted the ACORN smear:
"So here at last is an opportunity for all of the corporate media outlets that aided and abetted the ACORN fraud to restore a minimum level of standards and honor. Investigate Breitbart, O'Keefe, Giles and the making and editing of the ACORN tapes without fear or favor -- then report the findings on page one."
Posted by: DrainYou | July 23, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse
in vermont there is one main dynasty: the snellings. Richard snelling (king richard) was governor from 1977-1985 and then from 1991 until his death. his wife barbara was lt gov and then a state senator who was succeeded by their daughter diane. His son mark is running for lt gov.
Posted by: tgporo12 | July 22, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse
While this dynasty isn't confined to Arizona, the Udalls have been all over the place. Cousins Mark and Tom are Senators in Colorado and New Mexico. Both of their fathers (Mo and Stewart) were Representatives in Arizona. Recently ousted Oregon Senator Gordon Smith is also a cousin to Mark and Tom.
Posted by: DDAWD | July 22, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse
The present ident will not be taking any questions.
As usual. Mr transparency.
I'm so glad we"re all so post rAcial and all.
Another busted myth for the inept One.
Posted by: Moonbat | July 22, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse
Sorry for the repeat posts.
Posted by: Playsmarts | July 22, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse
Texas: Bush (George P. is the next generation)
CA: Brown (Ed and Jerry)
KY: Chandler
FL: Chiles
PA: Casey
OH: Taft
OK: Boren
NV: Reid (Harry & Rory)
ND: Herseth
SD: Johnson
NJ: Kean (Tom Sr. & Jr.)
DE: Biden (Joe & Beau)
SC: Thurmond
MI/MA/UT: Romney
LA: Landrieu
ARK: Rockefeller
NM: Domenici
MI: Dingell, Kirkpatrick, Levin
NH: Sununu
RI: Chaffee (John & Lincoln, running for Gov)
MO: Carnahan, Blunt
WY: Simpson
IL: Daley, Hastert
NY: Quinn (former Rep. Jack and son Jack III, running for state senate), Cuomo, Vance, Clayton Powell (III & IV), Gilibrand
And that's just off the top of my head.
Posted by: Playsmarts | July 22, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse
Texas: Bush (George P. is the next generation)
CA: Brown (Ed and Jerry)
KY: Chandler
FL: Chiles
PA: Casey
OH: Taft
OK: Boren
NV: Reid (Harry & Rory)
ND: Herseth
SD: Johnson
NJ: Kean (Tom Sr. & Jr.)
DE: Biden (Joe & Beau)
SC: Thurmond
MI/MA/UT: Romney
LA: Landrieu
ARK: Rockefeller
NM: Domenici
MI: Dingell, Kirkpatrick, Levin
NH: Sununu
RI: Chaffee (John & Lincoln, running for Gov)
MO: Carnahan, Blunt
WY: Simpson
IL: Daley, Hastert
NY: Quinn (former Rep. Jack and son Jack III, running for state senate), Cuomo, Vance, Clayton Powell (III & IV), Gilibrand
And that's just off the top of my head.
Posted by: Playsmarts | July 22, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse
Texas: Bush (George P. is the next generation)
CA: Brown (Ed and Jerry)
KY: Chandler
FL: Chiles
PA: Casey
OH: Taft
OK: Boren
NV: Reid (Harry & Rory)
ND: Herseth
SD: Johnson
NJ: Kean (Tom Sr. & Jr.)
DE: Biden (Joe & Beau)
SC: Thurmond
MI/MA/UT: Romney
LA: Landrieu
ARK: Rockefeller
NM: Domenici
MI: Dingell, Kirkpatrick, Levin
NH: Sununu
RI: Chaffee (John & Lincoln, running for Gov)
MO: Carnahan, Blunt
WY: Simpson
IL: Daley, Hastert
NY: Quinn (former Rep. Jack and son Jack III, running for state senate), Cuomo, Vance, Clayton Powell (III & IV), Gilibrand
And that's just off the top of my head.
Posted by: Playsmarts | July 22, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse
North Carolina had the Scotts: Gov. Kerr Scott, who begot Gov. Bob Scott, who begot former Agriculture Secretary Meg Scott Phipps. Unfortunately, she tarnished the family legacy with a scandal over selection of vendors for the state fair that landed her in federal prison for fraud and other charges.
Posted by: SueNC | July 22, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse
Missouri - the Blunts
Wondering if the Fix will make us a map of the political dynasties with everyone's feedback.
Posted by: Amis | July 22, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse
Louisiana - The Landrieus, Moon, Mary and Mitch
Washington - King County Councilman Reagan Dunn is the son of the late Congresswoman Jennifer Dunn and is rumored to be a future candidate for higher office. Gov. Christine Gregoire's daughter Courtney became legislative director to Sen. Maria Cantwell in 2007.
Florida -- Connie Mack III and IV (whose great grandparents were also congressman/senators)
Posted by: Amis | July 22, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse
Arkansas has the Pryors (David and Mark Pryor were both Senators and held state office)
A Carter dynasty might rise if his grandson eyes higher office than state senator.
Bidens in Delaware with Beau still on as Attorney General.
There are the Bayhs in Indiana
And the Daleys of Chicago and Illinois
Posted by: DanielCD | July 22, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse
Daleys in Illinois (Richard J, Richard M. William, John)
Madigans in Illinois (Mike and Lisa)
Mauros in Iowa
The Udalls (Morris, Mark, Tom and to a lesser extent Gordon in OR)
Grassleys in Iowa (Chuck and Patrick)
Culvers in Iowa (John and Chet)
Posted by: COSDem | July 22, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse
South Carolina:
Strom Thurmond was a Senator for decades, his son Paul ran unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination for US House this year. His son Strom Thurmond Jr. was US Attorney for a short while.
The late Carroll Campbell was a very popular SC Governor two decades ago. One of his sons ran for the Republican nomination for Lt. Governor in 2006, and his other son also ran unsuccessfully for the same House seat Thurmond's son ran for.
The Sheheens have to be taken into consideration if Senator Sheheen - the Democratic nominee for Governor - wins. His uncle, Bob, was Speaker of the SC House and his father was head of a state agency and is now a member of the Democratic Party Executive Committee.
Posted by: zacharyrcroft | July 22, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse
Illinois' most current power family has to be the Madigans (Father, Mike, is Speaker of the Illinois House; and daughter Lisa is the State Attorney General...she is also an up and comer). They also have the Simons (the Late Paul Simon was a legendary Senator and Presidential Candidate, his late wife Jeanne was a member of the state legislature, and his daughter Sheila is now a candidate for Lt. Governor); but the family that has had the most national impact would be the Stevensons (Adlai I was Vice President under Grover Cleveland; Lewis Green Stevenson was Secretary of State in Illinois; Adlai II was Governor of Illinois and Ambassador to the UN and twice nominated for President; Adlai III was a US Senator and losing candidate for governor. They were mingled in with several other powerful families as well). In Chicago, there are the Daley's of course and the Jackson's (Jesse, Jesse Jr. and Sandi).
Posted by: Coloradem1 | July 22, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse
"...The Carnahans in Missouri!
Russ Carnahan - U.S. House Representative
Mel Carnahan - former governor of Missouri
Robin Carnahan - Secretary of State, Mussouri etc."
And don't forget the patriarch, ASJ Carnahan. That clan goes back in Missouri politics at least to Harry Truman's time!
-MD Lowe
Posted by: Ticdoulouroux1 | July 22, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse
A question for the Obama White House (c/o Robert Gibbs, David Axelrod):
How would JFK handle THIS revelation?
See Scrivener "comments" to:
http://NowPublic.com/scrivener (lede articles and links therein)
Posted by: scrivener50 | July 22, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse
CA- The Kardashians
Posted by: leapin | July 22, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse
We have the Romneys of Utah, Michigan and Mass..
Joe Manchin's uncle was a colorful character in West Virginia politics and had a Gov. Moonbeam level of strange behavoir.. they said A. James' entourage of young good looking men were themselves Kennedylike in their appearance. He lived at the local hobo hotel and his claim to fame was cleaning up the junk cars that littered the picturesque mountain state landscape.
Posted by: newbeeboy | July 22, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse
I am so relieved that some new blood has arrived. It is so tedious to put up with the "regulars" daily drivl. The cut and hate. The whining. The leftist idiocy. A selective pruning of 4 or 5 stooges would get us back where we belong.
Need specifics?
Posted by: Moonbat | July 22, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse
Carte's Aunt Kay is secretary of the WV Department of Education and the Arts. Gosh, West Varginia is movin' on up with the Goodwin elite. Let's see . . . we have the Byrds of Virginia, the Culvers of Iowa, the Cuomo's of New York, the Brown's of California, the Bayh's of Indiana, Rockefeller's of New York, Arkansas, WV, the Bush Families of Connecticut, Florida, Texas, Maine, etc., etc.
Posted by: juanchin | July 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse
The Carnahans in Missouri!
Russ arnahan - U.S. House Representative
Mel Carnahan - former governor of Missouri
Robin Carnahan - Secretary of State, Mussouri etc.
Posted by: nicroxylifegmailcom | July 22, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse
Carte's Aunt Kay is secretary of the WV Department of Eduation and the Arts. Gosh, West Varginia is movin' on up with the Goodwin elite. Let's see . . . we have the Byrds of Virginia, the Culvers of Iowa, the Cuomo's of New York, the Brown's of California, the Bayh's of Indiana, Rockefeller's of New York, Arkansas, WV, the Bush Families of Connecticut, Florida, Texas, Maine, etc., etc.
Posted by: juanchin | July 22, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse
There is also Shelley MOORE Capito..
Anyway.. it reminds me of Joe Kennedy complaining prior to JFK's historic primary win in anti-Catholic West Virginia.. he said something like.. I don't want to buy the whole state, I just want to rent it for one day!
Posted by: newbeeboy | July 22, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse
The Chandlers in Kentucky.. Ben Chandler (KY-6) is the grandson of former Sen, Gov & Commisioner of Baseball.. Happy Chandler.
Posted by: pikachu_the_impaler | July 22, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse
In Wisconsin, I don't think we've had a dynasty since the LaFollettes. Bronson LaFollette, the son of Robert LaFollette Jr., was the state AG in the 60s, and is no longer active. Doug LaFollette is a thrice removed cousin of Bob LaFollette, and he's currently the WI Secretary of State--although the Democratic candidate for Governor, Tom Barrett, has advocated eliminating that office. I wouldn't expect a resurgence of the family any time soon.
Posted by: shaneh | July 22, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse
Long gone are the Talmadges. The political "families" of Georgia are now within the younger generations as the Democratic party is no longer the stronghold. The descendants of former Dem leaders would not be able to get elected as Dems statewide and none are attempting to do so. However, Carter's grandson did win election to State Senate, but will not climb any higher. Now that the Republican Party rules the roost, but still remains in its infancy in the state, I would say the Carrs. Chris is Chief of Staff to Sen. Isakson and his brother Toby is the Executive Director of the GA GOP. Neither is elected....yet.
Posted by: GODAWGS1 | July 22, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse
California -- Burtons and Browns
West -- Udalls
Posted by: mikecmcnerney | July 22, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse
The Udall-Hunt-Lee family has had members elected from six (6) western States: Arizona, California, Colorado, New Mexico, Oregon, and Utah. There's the Biden family in Delaware and the Browns out in California.
Posted by: JakeD2 | July 22, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse
Maryland has Paul and John Sarbanes. MD also has had its share of Kennedy politicians--Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and former State Delegate (and failed congressional candidate) Mark Shriver, son of Eunice Kennedy Shriver and Vice Presidential candidate Sargent Shriver.
Posted by: JeffDavis | July 22, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse
For New Jersey, it's got to be the Frelinghuysens. From Rodney in the House now all the way back to Theodore, who ran for VP with Henry Clay, it seems like a Frelinghuysen has been in high political office in NJ for forever
Posted by: TheRoss-Man | July 22, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse
The Keans in NJ -- Tom Sr. was governor in the 80s and Tom Jr. is minority leader in the state senate and ran against Bob Menendez for U.S. senate in 2006.
The Cuomos in NY -- Mario was governor in the 80s and, his son, Andrew is attorney general now running for Gov.
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Colorado -- The Salazars
Delaware -- The DuPonts
Iowa -- The Larsons
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Old Joe Kennedy summed it up (when helping his Son win the West Virginia Presidential primary).. I don't want to buy this State, I just want to rent it for a day.
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Wyoming has the Simpson family. Milward Simpson served as governor and U.S. Senator. He fathered Alan Simpson, who served in the U.S. Senate, and Pete Simpson, who was the Republican Nominee for Governor in 1986. Alan's son Colin is currently the Speaker of the Wyoming House, and a candidate in a crowded Republican Primary for Governor.
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So, David Bowie died.
The news outlets are stopping the world to sit shiva over him. I've never quite gotten used to that behavior. I don't have anything much to say about the fellow one way or the other, good or bad. He was part of the wallpaper of my life because he used to come out of the radio while I painted apartment buildings, but that's about it. It's jarring to see the media stopping in their tracks and devoting all their time to his death, however, like he was Queen Victoria or something. Pop singers don't belong on the front page.
I was in an airport once, waiting in line, and Henny Youngman was standing in front of me. I had been living in Los Angeles for a while, and got used to seeing minor celebrities out and about. I always left them alone, unless they bothered me first. To me, a stranger is a stranger, whether you know who they are or not. Henny turned around, looked at me, and said, "That's right, I'm me," and then turned back around. I found it quite charming, but he was answering a bell that hadn't rung.
If you are in a strange, faraway place, and you encounter someone that has any connection with your life, you greet them like a friend. If you're in Italy, and meet an American tourist, you treat them like a long-lost cousin instead of just as much a stranger as the locals. David Bowie wasn't in everyone's life because he was important. He was important because he was in everyone's life. It doesn't really matter how trivial or profound the reason you're in the public eye. It's just the only way people keep score.
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- Sam L. said...
About all I can say is that I didn't change stations when his songs come on the radio.
Well the Germans are crediting him with helping bring down the Berlin Wall:
But then again they do want to keep from having to thank Ronnie...
- Thud said...
I had some dealings with him briefly and he seemed rather pleasant and down to earth, other than that he wasn't part of my lifes soundtrack.
- shoreacres said...
I felt rather odd, having to turn to the Wiki page to learn a little about him when the news hit. I knew his name of course, but for the life of me, I couldn't name a song. As it turns out, I was working in Liberia in the 70s, so that explains that. Glam rockers weren't real big over there.
It is a little off-putting, the way people love to flock to the death of a celebrity.
David Bowie became a star after I started going to the Newport [RI/NY] Jazz Festivals and buying albums of the likes of Sonny Rollins. While I heard songs like "Ground Control to Major Tom" on the radio, I never purchased a David Bowie album nor even listened to a David Bowie album.
I just perused a Greatest Hits of David Bowie on YouTube. The only song I recognized was Space Oddity/Ground Control. I didn't recognize Ziggy Stardust, which I understand was one of his big hits.In the 70's I did listen to some pop/rock, such as Neil Young or Fleetwood Mac- David Bowie just never made my playlist. Or the places I where I hung out never played David Bowie on the jukebox. David Bowie and I- parallel universes.
I listened to a bit of the album which was released days before his death, which was supposed to have a jazz-like influence. I didn't like the heavy bass/drums.Not at all.
I worked in downtown London for many years (near Whitehall) before returning to Canada. It was not unusual to see very senior cabinet members and politicians walking by themselves from one government office to another.
Sit outside at the Starbucks next to Embankment Station for a while and you'd inevitably see a familiar British TV personality or actor strolling by or going in for a latte. Saw Hugh Grant once and also the late Alan Rickman. Annie Lennox too.
David Bowie wasn't in everyone's life because he was important. He was important because he was in everyone's life.
Correct. While I never focused on David Bowie, as I stated in my previous comment, he was in the background. Upon further examination, I realize that I remember not only "Space Oddity/Ground Control," but also "Changes" and "The Man Who Sold the World." I don't remember the lyrics, but I definitely remember the melodies- which is also a way of saying those songs were in the background of my life. But who remembers rock lyrics? Rock music is for dancing to.


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Produced by Momina Duraid, directed by Shaquille Khan and written by Sarwat Nazir, Choti Si Zindagi airs on HUM TV on Tuesdays at 8pm PST. The promos of this drama got my interest for sure and I do not mean that in a positive way. The cast comprises Shahzad Sheikh, Iqra Aziz and Nimra Khan in the lead roles and since none of them have left a lasting (good) impression on me before, I was not too keen to watch this drama. Until I saw that the writer is Sarwat Nazir. There is something about her dramas and the relationship between the couples that she portrays that interests me so I decided to give this one a go and although the first few episodes, in my opinion did not have me hooked, something about this play made me keep watching and 6 episodes down – despite some glitches, I am glad I did.
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Supery, Rimont, 09420
A village 4 km Dedu Rimont, green, 730 m alt. , Owned 30 acres near the forest. Hiking trails at your doorstep, horses. Great holiday home of the owner's house for 4 to 6 people. Garden, mob. of garden. Living room, kitchen, bathroom, toilet. First floor one bed. with a double bed and a bed. 4 beds with balcony. Great pool and washing machine. Linen rental. 4 small cottages for 2 people, groups welcome. Travelers checks accepted
Description of Gîtes de Sunset Gite :Big gîte (70 m2) : label "Clévacances 2 clés"- living room- kitchen- bedroom with three bed and a balcony - bedroom with i double bed, 1 single bed- 1 wc and a seperate bathromm with shower- use of a washing machine- garden and swimming pool3 small gîtes ( 25 m2) :- living romm with kitchen corner- wc and a bathromm with shower- a mezzanine with 1 or 2 beds - terrace- use of a washing machine- swimming poolThe gîte "Acacia" has the label "Clévacances 2 clés"
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Directions to Gîtes de Sunset95 km south of Toulouse. 15km from St Girons and 30 km from Foix (N 117)
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