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There are gaps between reptiles and mammals (Talk.Origins)
Claim CC215:
- There is a great gulf between reptiles and mammals, with no transitional fossils between them.
- Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 1985. Life—How Did It Get Here? Brooklyn, NY, pp. 80-81.
CreationWiki response:
It needs to be noted that Talk.Origins has chosen the worst possible source for this. Not only is it out of date but it is generally a poor quality source. A much better source would be Mammal-like reptiles: major trait reversals and discontinuities by John Woodmorappe.
(Talk.Origins quotes in blue)
1. The transition from reptile to mammal has an excellent record. The following fossils are just a sampling. In particular, these fossils document the transition of one type of jaw joint into another. Reptiles have one bone in the middle ear and several bones in the lower jaw. Mammals have three bones in the middle ear and only one bone in the lower jaw. These species show transitional jaw-ear arrangements. The sequence shows transitional stages in other features, too, such as skull, vertebrae, ribs, and toes.
[Specific examples snipped]
It needs to be noted that the main defining characteristic of mammals is the presence of mammary glands (milk producing organs) and they tend not to be fossilized. This makes a determination based on fossils potentially error-prone if the characteristics being used have not always been unique to reptiles or mammals. There are other differences, for example:
- Mammals have a four-chambered heart while reptiles have a three-chambered heart.
- Mammals are warm-blooded while reptiles are cold-blooded.
- Mammals have hair, while reptiles don't.
So the claim as worded is 100 percent correct if one looks at the right reptilian and mammalian features. This is largely a case of selecting traits that favor evolutionary theory as opposed to other traits that don't. Even in this list, Talk.Origins needs to use fossils that are not in the correct order according to evolutionary dating methods. However their more complete list shows even more out of order and contemporaneous fossils used.
Yes, there are some reptiles with a few mammal-like traits and some mammals with a few reptile-like traits, but from Biarmosuchia to Procynosuchus, there is a clear and sudden change in dominance from reptile to mammal traits. So rather than the smooth transition that Talk.Origins wants you to think is there, there is a sudden shift from reptile to mammal as creationists would expect.
- Mammal-like reptiles: major trait reversals and discontinuities
- Mammal-Like Reptiles
- Reappraising the "Crown Jewel"
- (Talk.Origins) Transition from synapsid reptiles to mammals


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(227) DM: (ok)
(228) Lunauc: Oh YEAH!
(227) DM: (so I think a few weeks ago, maybe a
month ago was our last session? you're attending a banquet that's being held by
a duchess named Dame Gold. in the course of the banquet, she gets called away
by an Aes Sedai. she goes to her room, followed by Git. (and Git knows the
(226) Dj Gilcrease: 2/16 was wour last
** (227) Dame Gold wakes up groggily, all bleary-eyed
and seems confused at seeing Git in her room. **
(226) Dj Gilcrease has sent you a tree node...
whispering to Dj Gilcrease, we had a session
after that
whispering to Dj Gilcrease, I have that log
whispering to Dj Gilcrease, but not the one
(235) No Name (exit): 22:10
(235) No Name (enter): 22:10
(235) No Name (exit): 22:10
** (228) Git assures the lady in a caring tone,
"Do not worry, Dame, I'll call you aid immediately." He turns and
heads right out thedoor back to the hall, looking around for a servant or
anyone else." **
(227) DM: A maidservant can be seen a few feet
(228) Git: :If there's no one in the hall,
he closes the door and heads to find help:
(228) Git: (oh...)
** (228) Git calls to the maid, "You
there.." **
(228) Git: "Is there a healer on the
(227) Maeve: "Oh! My land. I din' see you
(227) Maeve: "There's a weavesinger of
Almalexia at the shrine. Is something th' matter?"
** (227) Maeve looks up at Git as she approaches him.
(228) Git: :nods: "Have them retrieved
at once. There is something wrong with Dame Gold's memory."
** (233) Kith Continued
slowly eating in the main room **
** (227) Maeve raises her hand to her mouth and looks
up in alarm. "At once, sirrah." She turns away, pauses for a minute
and then continues on. **
(228) Git: "That's a good girl."
:offers her in retreating praise. Then he eases to lean back against the
doorway, galncing back in at the Dame with a wry grin: "I'm sorry again to
be bothering you, Dame. I know this must seem a strange evening."
(227) Dame Gold: "Who...who are you?"
(228) Git: :raises a brow, thinking on the
answer a moment, before asking with a smile: "It depends. If you I tell
you my name is it going to be the name you have me hunted down by for invading
your bedchamber?"
** (226) Kha sits and chats with anyone willing to listen at the banquet **
** (231) Gautam has finished eating and is busy
comparing notes with the local champions. **
(231) Gautam: (d'oh)
** (231) Agatha has finished eating and is busy
comparing notes with the local champions. **
** (227) Dame Gold sits up and holds a hand to her
head. "The last thing I remember was being at the feast and welcoming all
to my manor..." **
** (233) Kith He
laned back in his chair, watching everyone else with a wary haunted look **
(227) Dame Gold: "How did you get
(228) Git: "Through the front
(228) Git: :smartly replies:
(227) DM: Things have progressed past the main
course and now dessert is being served. Roasted fruit, sweetened cream, honey
fry and claret.
(227) Dame Gold: "Don't be pert with me. I
mean in my room." (looks at you warily)
(228) Git: :gives a look of epiphany:
"Oh, that!" :girns: "Snuck in your window, like all legendary
lovers do."
(227) Dame Gold: "Well, whoever you are,
I...I..." (holds up a hand to her head)
(228) Git: "Are you alright?"
(227) Dame Gold: "If you could get me
Saren. The weavesinger...."
(227) DM: She wways unsteadily and sinks back
down on the bed, yawning as she does so.
(228) Git: "I already sent your
maidservant to fetch him the weavesinger"
(227) Dame Gold: "So sleepy..."
(227) Dame Gold: "Saren will know what to
(228) Git: "No, no, no!" :moves
back to the bed quickly, taking her by the shoulders and leading her to sit
back up. "No more sleeping. Last time you did that you forgot a whole
evening's events."
** (227) Dame Gold finds it extremely difficult to
stay awake. **
(238) No Name (enter): 22:39
(238) No Name (exit): 22:39
(238) No Name (enter): 22:39
(228) Git: "Hey.. come on, Dame."
:takes her by the chin to make her look in his eyes, judging her contidion by
her pupils, "It's not like you need the extra beauty sleep. Trust me,
you're looking fine. Okay? So, how about you stay awake, and we have a little
chat, neh?"
(227) DM: "I'll try."
(227) Dame Gold: "I'll try."
** (227) Dame Gold lands back, sinking into her
pillows. "I really can't stay awake though." **
(227) Dame Gold: "I'd like to know who you
are though. You look like someone I should know."
(228) Git: :pulls her back up, by her
shoulders, forcefully but gentle as possible: "Ah.. now that's a refined
socialite lady for you. I'm sure you won't fall asleep on a guest like that. It
would be rude."
(228) Git: "Me? No one of great
importance. Just one of the friendly guests you invited to your table this
evening. I'd rather here you talk anyway. Say, what led you to gather this
group here tonight anyway? Can you rememeber?"
(226) Kha: (( AFK for a smoke ))
(227) Dame Gold: "Talk of resistance
** (227) Dame Gold shifts her eyes and regards Git
warily. "...against..." **
(238) Malborudus (exit): 22:46
(227) Dame Gold: "You're not familiar to
** (227) Dame Gold holds a hand up to her head. **
(228) Git: "I know I'm not. We only met
(228) Git: "Does your head hurt?
(227) Dame Gold: "...against the
(227) Dame Gold: "You seem like a
trustworthy soul, and if you're not, there's precious little I can do about it
if you mean to kill me."
** (227) Dame Gold yawns as she says this, even finding
it a tremendous effort to stay awake. **
(239) Edward (enter): 22:48
(228) Git: "I have no desire to harm
you. The weavesinger is on his way to help you now, remember?"
(227) Randallson the Neat: "So, yoush shaid
you're from the south, ish that sho?" (turns and addresses Agatha)
(227) DM: The spellbeard looks up from his cups
and leers at Agatha drunkenly.
(227) Dame Gold: "I... I hope so."
(227) Dame Gold: "As a scion of Kern when
we were once self-governing, before the rise of the Nine Council, I remember
what it was like to be free. All who are here have come at my invitation
tonight. To help us be free." (makes an effort to steady herself)
(227) Dame Gold: "But I recognize not your
** (228) Git holds her cautiously at the elbows,
helping her to steady herself respectably, but ready to grab her if she falls
back again." **
(228) Git: "Like I said, we only met
tonight. For some reason it seems your memory of this evening were wiped. and I
fear if I let you fall back to sleep you will only forget more."
** (231) Agatha dismisses the dwarf tactfully.
"I think you may have mixed me up with someone else." **
(239) Edward (exit): 22:54
(239) Edward (enter): 22:54
(239) Edward (exit): 22:54
** (227) Dame Gold steels herself with effort.
"My thanks then." **
** (231) Agatha points in a random direction.
"Perhap with that lass over there?" **
(227) Dame Gold: "I'm not certain if any of
those who are here tonight would be able to take up my offer."
(228) Git: "Don't worry I'm glad to do
it. Sneaking into a lady's room at night and rousing her in her bed... reminds
me of years passed."
(227) DM: (he's not a dwarf, but a human)
(226) Kha: (( back ))
(228) Git: "I'm sure someone will take
up the effort."
(227) Randallson the Neat: "No, I heard you
talk. You'rsh not from here." (belch)
(227) DM: A few listeners color as the wizard
belches loudly.
** (231) Agatha sips her ale. "Aye, what of
it?" **
(227) Randallson the Neat: "A fine figure
yoush got." (hic)
** (226) Kha looks around for the Aes Sedit that had
spoken to Dame Gold **
(227) DM: She seems to not be here.
(227) Brother Thaddeus: "....I too received
an invitation to be here, sent by an enspelled messenger three weeks ago."
** (233) Kith He
continues watching the others in his room, his large (for an elf) muscled arms
crossed over his chest **
** (226) Kha heads off to find her **
(231) Agatha: "My you have had a few
stouts, haven't ya?"
** (227) Randallson the Neat wiggles a finger at her.
"I knowsh my languages." (hic) "Yoursh not from here. Toralin
wench are ye?" **
(233) Kith: *half-elf))
(227) Xavian, the Gray: "...the finest of
Kern it seems to be. And one or two faces I recognize as well." (looks
over the crowd)
(231) Agatha: "Wylund, actually."
(227) Randallson the Neat: "Wylunsh? Thash
far." (hic) "Whash bring you here?" (hic)
** (227) Randallson the Neat looks up and down Agatha
appraisingly. "Big shtrong woman fighter here, all by your loneshome. Need
a fire or two on thash shword, eh?" **
** (233) Kith Turns
to watch the drunken man talking to the large woman who seemed to travel with
Kha **
(227) Asianna Corsair: "....that thief Midnight is making a name for himself it seems. Stole the Overlord's
pendant right from underneath his nose the night of the Grand Ball. I've never
had such a good laugh as on hearing that piece of news."
(227) Dame Gold: "So you're here. What
(yawn) can I do for you?"
(231) Agatha: "Hmph. Even I if were
alone, I do better than fine with axe as is, thank you very much."
(227) Dame Gold: (Yawn) "Are you come to
join our cause, hopeless as it is?"
(231) Agatha: my axe*
(228) Git: :grins: "Maybe I am. Could
you tell me a little mroe about what you want me to do?"
(227) Randallson the Neat: "An axsh, eh?
Never had shex with an axsh." (belch, and takes a pull of ale)
(227) Randallson the Neat: "Namesh
Randallshon, the Neat. Friends of mine call me Randy." (tries to touch
Agatha's arm gently)
(227) Dame Gold: "Well, (yawn) not just
you. Friends I hope you have brought with you. Against the Nine." (yawn)
(227) DM: A maidservant with a worried look on
her face descends the stairs hurriedly and almost collides with Kha, mumbling
"my apologies, sirrah"
** (231) Agatha pulls away. "Agatha Magveyd.
Friends of mine know better than to leer and grope if they fancy to keep their
hands and other extendable parts." **
(226) Kha: "Ahh sorry, you look like you
are in a hurry but could you direct me to the Aes Sedi that I saw
(228) Git: "Sure, I have...
accomplices. A couple of them will probably jump at the chance for a new
adventure. The other may join if the cause is worthy."
(227) Maeve: "I'm sorry, sir? Her Grace has
no Aes Sedai here. She's not fond of those witches."
(227) Randallson the Neat: "Oooo, I like
shpitfire. You an' I could have a wee little bit o' fun." (belch)
(226) Kha: "One came in and called her
away from the banquet"
(227) Maeve: "You must be mistaken, sirrah.
There are no Aes Sedai here in Manor Gold. Now if you can excuse me, I need to
get Saren, the weavesinger. Her Grace has taken ill."
** (233) Kith He
glances at The man and agatha again, and he slowly leaned toward them, and he
grinned, mithlessly, almost evilly, at Randallson "Why don't you leave the
lady alone sir, she obviously doesn't want you attention" **
** (227) Randallson the Neat lurches about in his
seat and peers at Kith as if in shock. "Can't yoush shee, man? She's
great." (hic) **
(227) Randallson the Neat: "Why, I should
show her a shoken of my affection." (wiggles his fingers)
(226) Kha: "One dressed all in white,
who had the look of an ..." ** pauses ** "Sick, that isnt good. I am some what of a healer,
mind if I check on her as well?"
** (227) Asianna Corsair turns to Brother Thaddeus
and refills her tankard. "Imagine that, an entire room full of nobles
dancing, and one of the greatest heists pulled off without a hitch...." **
** (231) Agatha grabs the wizard's hand while he's
turned away and twists it painfully. **
(227) Maeve: "Well, um, I really
shouldn't." (looks around despairingly)
(227) Maeve: "Taran!"
** (233) Kith He
grins at the wizard as she twisted his hand, that same, mean grin again.
"I told you" **
** (227) Maeve beckons to a butler. "Taran, take
him to see Her Grace. I need to find Saren. Her Grace's taken ill. He's a
healer, he is." **
** (227) Taran sidles up to Kha and beckons you to follow
him. "This way, sirrah." **
(226) Kha: "Thank you." ** follows Taran **
(231) Agatha: "Listen here, Randal the
Limp. The only token of affection I wanna see is your tail between your legs as
you walk away from here. Or limp away. It's your choice."
(227) Randallson the Neat: "Hmph. No
appreciation for the fine arsh at all. Phillistinesh."
whispering to Drathmar, Randallson is the one
you were told about
** (227) Randallson the Neat looks offended but backs
down sulkily as he takes another pull of ale. **
** (231) Agatha releases the wizard and lets him sulk
as she and walks away with Kith. **
** (233) Kith he
reaches out and grabs a cinna bun and hands it to randallson "Now then,
your lucky, she probably could have done worse, have a cinna bun, it might make
you feel better" **
(231) Agatha: Or not.
** (231) Agatha turns to find someone of worth to
chat with. **
(228) Git: (("I like my women, like I
like my cheese. Aged and chunky."))
(227) Randallson the Neat: "Ooo, my
** (227) Randallson the Neat plucks the cinna bun and
starts munching on it. "Thanksh. No appreciation of the fine arsh she
has." **
** (233) Kith He
nods, smirking slightly. "No, not at all, but I do, why don't we go speak
of it...privately" **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "I see you
managed to survive Randallson's attentions." (glances at Agatha with an
amused grin)
(227) DM: A handsome half-elf in light blue
robes with the symbol of an owl embroidered on his cuffs walks up to Agatha.
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "He's been
eyeing you all evening."
(231) Agatha: "Hmph. That old lech?
I've suffered worse."
(231) Agatha: "You should see how bad a
dwarf is when he gets loaded."
(227) Randallson the Neat: "Oshay. Lead
on." (munches the pastry and takes a tankard along)
(227) Dame Gold: "Why, no less than the
fall of the Nine."
(227) Dame Gold: (yawn)
** (233) Kith grabs
a few more buns and nods, walking, and heading to the ifirst door he sees,
opening it, or trying to, to look inside **
(231) Agatha: "With enough beer in
their eyes, every woman in the tavern is short and bearded as a goat."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Hammish. I'm
from Whytecoin. Although Randallson is correct. It's rare we have Wylundians
here these days. The Forest Kingdom bears no love for Kern."
(228) Git: "Oh.. And here I thought
you'd ask something difficult of me." :smiling sarcasm: "We;;.
m'lady, if that is your wish. Consider them fallen."
(231) Agatha: "Agatha Magveyd. Aye. You
could say we're taking the long way home."
(227) Dame Gold: "Do you swear?"
** (227) Dame Gold sits upright, as if this
exclamation has shocked her out of her stupor. "Do you so swear?" **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "I'd say. You
have quite a journey ahead of you, if you can find your way to the coast. Dark
days these are for Kern, what with talk of war on the horizon."
(228) Git: :his expression is pensive a
moment. Taking a deep breath he offers a slow nod and speaks seriously: "I
do not know yet what I will do. But...if it costs me my life, I will stop the
** (227) Hammish of Whytecoin surveys the room with a
melancholy gaze. "I wonder that coming here was a wise thing to do."
whispering to Drathmar, it appears to be a
sitting room
** (233) Kith He
nods, and opens the door more, walking in and would wait for Randellson to
follow, before he would shut the door **
(231) Agatha: "Depends on your point o'
view, I'd imagine. It's dangerous in these parts, sure enough."
(231) Agatha: "Then again, in the short
time I've been here, I've seen a lot of wrong."
(231) Agatha: "And this Nine is the
source of it, it seems."
** (227) Randallson the Neat follows Drathmar inside.
"Do tell." (hic) **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Those are
dangerous words these days." (glances around) "It doesn't seem so
safe here even though we're among friends."
** (233) Kith He
smiles slightly and holds out another cinna bun "Another one?" **
** (227) Hammish of Whytecoin looks around and rests
his gaze on you. "You're the talk of a few, you know. Not very many
Wylundians in Kern, and all of a sudden, at a gathering here, three of you show
up together." **
(231) Agatha: "Aye, but I wouldn't want
to be the foolish soul who tries to pick a fight with this crowd."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "If I were a
believer in destiny, I'd say you were more than happenstance."
** (227) Randallson the Neat takes it. "You're a
goosh friend to have." (sits down) "Sure you won't join me?" **
(231) Agatha: "Aye. That or we were
travelin' together to start."
** (233) Kith nods,
and stands there, crossing his arms and leaning against the wall.
"Thankyou, so, can you tell me why everyone is gathered here
tonight?" **
** (227) Taran opens the door to Dame Gold's room and
peers in, but his stoic expression doesn't change. "She's in here,
sir." (ushers Kha in) **
(227) Randallson the Neat: (hic) "An
invitation at Dame Gold's request. Was all mysterioush like." (hic)
** (226) Kha enters Dame Golds room **
** (231) Agatha does a double take. "Wait, did
you say three?" **
(228) Git: "Hmmm?" :looks up as
the door is opened: "Ah.. Kha... glad to see you. You know anything about
a weave which causes people to sleep and forget their memories?"
** (227) Taran follows Kha in with a worried
expression on his face. **
** (233) Kith He
nods slowly. "Would you know why Dame Gold requested all of us here?"
he hands him another bun, having 2 left **
(226) Kha: "Umm no, but I can try and
figure it out. I was told there were no Aes Sedi here, but the woman who called
Dame Gold away was one."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Yes, three.
You, your half-elven friend and that randy youth. Though technically he's a
plainsman. I have a good ear for languages myself being a sage and
** (226) Kha goes over and sits next to Dame gold and
closes his eyes **
(228) Git: "Heh... yeah, watched her
leaving the estate from the window. I would have followed, but the Dame needed
me more."
(227) Randallson the Neat: "She shaid it
wash important. Free food ish important. Would be a shame to let it go to waste."
** (231) Agatha raises an eyebrow, "Is that
so?" **
(228) Git: (how long ago did the Aes Sedai
leave? and how far is it to the next town in that direction?)
(231) Agatha: "And just where do you
stand with all this resistence business?"
** (233) Kith He
shakes his head and nods. "So, would you know anything about Talakara's
Manor?" **
(227) DM: (about 45 minutes ago)
(227) DM: (you're in town actually)
** (226) Kha nods to himself **
(227) DM: (in that direction? five days on
(228) Git: (yeah, but if she was leaving
town.. gotcha)
(227) DM: (as you'd be in the Ashen Mountains,
more or less near Takalara's castle)
** (227) Hammish of Whytecoin regards Agatha warily
all of a sudden. "Why, the same as anyone else in this room. " **
(227) Randallson the Neat: "Losh of walking
dead. She's nosh one to be trifled with."
** (231) Agatha sizes up Hammish. ((sense motive)) **
(227) Randallson the Neat: "Hash a
bonemaster or some such. Powerful being."
whispering to Gautam, roll
** (233) Kith He
shrugs slightly, smirking. "Maybe, maybe not. Do you know of any way to
stop the undead from attacking, or any....not so well known ways in?" **
(228) Git: :to Kha: "Well...?"
(226) Kha: "Give me a moment, I am
trying to figure out how to undo what was done."
(227) Randallson the Neat: "No, nosh
really. Wellsh. Maybe a shecret way in, I heard tell. Through the garden."
** (233) Kith he
nods, smiling and haning the next to last cinna bun to him. "Very good,
what about, a way to...nullify or weaken her power?" **
** (231) Agatha smirks and relaxes a little.
"You reminded me I need to be careful, even in this place." **
(231) Agatha: "My companions and I came
upon an interesting find. But we're not sure what to make of it all."
(227) Randallson the Neat: "I don' know. I
think get rid o' her bonemaster."
(227) Randallson the Neat: "She'sh called
the Goddesh, you know."
** (226) Kha opens his eyes "Well whatever was done to her is undone now." **
** (227) Dame Gold falls into a deep sleep. **
** (233) Kith He
nods slowly, looking at him. "Yes, I am well aware. But I don't believe
it. So, you think her bonemaster gives her her power? Do you know anything that
could help defeat one?" **
(231) Agatha: "I thought for a moment
that a loremaster might be able to help us figure it out."
(228) Git: "are you sure? " :asks
Kha as the lady lays back to sleep?"
(231) Agatha: "Figured I should pause a
moment 'fore I show my hand to just anybody."
** (227) Randallson the Neat takes a pull of ale. "No,
I think she usesh her powesh to do thingsh. I don' know how though."
(wipes some icing from his beard) "Hey, thish ish good shuff." **
(226) Kha: "Yes, it was some sort of
mind foging weave. Could be useful if I can figure out how to use it
** (233) Kith He
nods and hands him the last cinnabun "That they are. So, do you have any
ideas about the source of her power?" **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "I could,
perhaps, if I knew where you stood."
** (231) Agatha smiles and takes a breath. **
(227) Randallson the Neat: "She'sh a
powerful mage, I've deshermined. And her bonemaster she usesh quite a bit. And
she ish one o' the Nine."
(227) Randallson the Neat: "I don' know
much else."
** (233) Kith He
nods slowly. "Well, thankyou anyway" he shrugs slightly, looking at
him. "Hopefully that will be enough to kill her" He opens the door
and walks out **
(228) Git: "Heh.. great.. then how
about we go hunt down the weaver and ask her how she did it? They were
travelling at a casual speed as they left. They shouldn't be far by now. If she
isn't in one of the local inns she may be on her way out of town"
** (227) Randallson the Neat burps loudly in response
(231) Agatha: "Three years ago, my son
disappeared without a trace. I thought him dead. It was only recently that I
learned that it was slavers who took him and took him alive. Slavers from Kern.
My son was stolen from me, because the Nine allowed it and continue to profit
from capture and trade."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "I see. Well
then, any enemy of the Nine is a friend of mine."
(226) Kha: "Well the maid I spoke to
didnt even remember her being here, so whatever was done to Dame Gold here was
probably done to her and maybe others as well. I think I should beable to
figure it out. Lets go get Agatha and Kith and find that Aes Sedi."
(227) Taran: "Will she be all right,
(226) Kha: "Yes, just let no woman in
this room until she wakes."
** (228) Git stands fromt the bed and heads out the
door and makes his way back down toward the banquet. **
** (233) Kith He
leans on the wall at the edge of the room, scowling, and looking around **
(231) Agatha: "Well, alright then.
Let's find somewhere to talk."
** (226) Kha follows Git but stops at the door for a
moment **
(226) Kha: "Taran, come out here and
stand guard to ensure Dame Gold stays safe."
(227) Taran: "Very good, sirrah."
** (227) Taran follows Kha out and stays put. **
** (227) Hammish of Whytecoin follows Agatha.
"The safest place is the library. It's warded against eavesdroppers. You
could say that Her Grace and I are good friends." **
** (226) Kha follows Git but keeps looking around **
** (228) Git heads down stairs and back to the
banquet, looking for Aggy and Kith **
(227) DM: You (Kith) spot Agatha following a
half-elf in light blue robes.
(227) DM: (same to Git)
** (231) Agatha nods. "That'll do. Just don't
you get any funny idears. As I was tellin' that old lech, this axe ain't for
show." **
** (231) Agatha makes sure that the Luggage follows.
(228) Git: :jogs over to catch up with Aggy
and her 'friend": "Excuse me... I hope I'm not interrupting."
** (233) Kith He
follows behing Agatah and the half-elf **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "No, you're
** (227) Hammish of Whytecoin seems to be on his
guard again. **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Your
friends?" (jerks his thumb at Git, to Agatha)
(228) Git: :to Hammish: "Close
enough." :turns to Aggy pointing aside: "May we borrow your ear a
moment Aggy?"
(231) Agatha: "Excuse us a moment,
** (231) Agatha turns to Git. "Where did you
disappear to?" **
** (227) Hammish of Whytecoin shrugs. "I'll meet
you in the library when you're ready, then." **
** (233) Kith He
looks at git and Agatha, leaning against the wall and crossing his arms again **
(226) Kha: "He was visiting Dame
(228) Git: "Nothing more scandalous
than yuo were doing, it seems." :teases as he steps aside with Aggy,
giving Hammish a friendly wave in dismissal."
(231) Agatha: "I was getting
information, thank you so much for the vote of confidence."
** (228) Git directs Aggy over toward Kith, being
sure to be out of earshot of others, before speaking, "It would appear
that Aes Sedai who pulled the Dame aside cast some sort of weave on her. Either
of you fancy a hunt?" **
** (233) Kith He
looks at him, and he shakes hish ead slightly. "You would be a fool to go
after an Aes Sedai." **
(228) Git: "Is that a no then?"
(231) Agatha: "The Dame uses some
impressive magicks to protect her home. She probably used better to keep
herself safe. If anyone got by that, they won't be easy prey."
(226) Kha: "She cast some sort of mind
altering weave on Dame Gold."
** (233) Kith He
nods, agreeing with Agatha. "Also, you realize, unless shes a black
sister, she could have a warder with her"
(228) Git: "Uh... yeah... and?"
** (231) Agatha nods. "Well, so long as we know
what we're getting into." **
(228) Git: :to Aggy: "Barely a
** (233) Kith He
looks at him and he shrugs shakes his head. "Unless shes a black sister,
she was also trying ot do what was best for hte world here" **
(226) Kha: "Well from what I read about
the Aes Sedi she shouldnt have altered someones mind."
** (231) Agatha pauses a moment. **
(228) Git: "I don't know what kind of
sister she was, but disrupting the mind of someone against the Nine gives me a
pretty good guess who she's working for."
(231) Agatha: "Git, is there anything
else wrong with Dame Gold besides her fade out?"
(231) Agatha: ((afk))
(228) Git: :shrugs: "According to Kha,
she should be fine now. I just figured it would be wise to capture the culprit
before she was out of our grasp."
(226) Kha: "I agree"
** (233) Kith He
tilts his head, and he nods slowly. "it...would be close to compulsion,
so, she is probably black, by all evidence, yet, that just makes her more
dangerous" **
(228) Git: :to Kith: "But it makes us
less morally reprehensible for attacking her, neh?"
** (226) Kha shrugs "Not
the first time we have met a black sister"
** (233) Kith He
nods slowly "Yes" **
** (231) Agatha slowly turns the wheels in her head.
(231) Agatha: "She's only missing
tonight's memories?"
(228) Git: :grins conspiratorially to Aggy:
"Of course, you don't have to come if you're ... busy."
(231) Agatha: "It ain't that. I'm
thinking, why Dame Gold. What did she she that everyone else didn't?"
(228) Git: "I have no idea. Which is
rather why I want to find this Aes Sedai and learn why."
(231) Agatha: ((she see* rather))
(231) Agatha: "Alright. Do you have any
(228) Git: :shrugs: "I know which way
they were heading as they left the estate. Other than that... not really. I
figure we check the inns along that direction first. If we don't find her head
on out of town along th eright and try to catch up."
** (226) Kha comes walking back **
(231) Agatha: "Kha can you grant us
some flight?"
(226) Kha: "I am not a wizard."
(226) Kha: "And why do you want to fly?"
(228) Git: "No... but there seemt to be
a couple of them here."
** (233) Kith He
waits for them, and would travel with them when they left **
(231) Agatha: "Hmm. Might be dangerous
to ask a stranger and half of these blokes are already drunk."
(228) Git: "oh.. but what about your
library buddy?"
(231) Agatha: "He's the other
(228) Git: "Great, then lets see what
the other half can do for us."
(231) Agatha: "Aye, that's not a bad
(228) Git: (afk a min)
** (231) Agatha leads the way to the library...then
asks a servant for directions when she realizes that she has no idea where it
is. **
(226) Kha: "Well the Aes Sedi left the
estate over here, I am gona go see where her tracks lead while you figure
out if you want to get the help of others."
** (233) Kith he
nods and looks at htem "Ill go with kha, unlessh e wishes to go
alone" **
(231) Agatha: "Be careful, lad. The
guards are still looking for a murderer out there."
(226) Kha: "Feel free to come Kith,
maybe we will find the swordman who vanished when all this mess started."
** (226) Kha heads back to the tracks and starts following
them, keeping alert to the One Power as he does so **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: (sec)
(226) Kha: (( AFK for a smoke, so feel free
to ignore me for a bit ))
** (233) Kith He
follows behind Kha, keeping a watch out for anyone trying to ambush them, hand
over his shoulder on sword hilt **
(227) DM: The tracks continue for some time, and
then cease, as if your quarry had travelled using some other means.
** (233) Kith Bends
down and checks the ground, seeinf if there is grass, and if it was cut, and
how **
** (233) Kith actually
doesnt **
(228) Git: 0.o
(233) Kith: Ehh, if it was what I was
thinking, that would kinda be metagaming))
(226) Kha: (( back ))
(233) Kith: wb)
** (226) Kha scratches his head "Wonder if she had a wizard friend" ** searches the area to see if there are any signs of
another person **
** (233) Kith He
nods slightly nad he looks around, trying to check from signs of where she ahd
gone. "Maybe" **
** (226) Kha stops and stairs at a spot in the air **
** (233) Kith He
turns and sees him sarring at the air. "find something?" **
(226) Kha: "She used the One Power in a
way I didnt know was posible, some type of hole to another location"
** (233) Kith He
nods slwoly and shakes his head "This is looking worse all the time. I
think she used Travelling, which means, shes strong in the power" **
** (226) Kha walks around the examining the air **
** (233) Kith Watches
him, and still looks around, keeping an eye out
(226) Kha: "Thats interesting, I cant
tell where she went though."
** (233) Kith He
nods slowly and shakes his head "Im not sure whether thats a good thing,
or bad thing. Should we tell the others?"
(226) Kha: "Ya, I figured out how she
did it though and I should be able to do it as well."
** (226) Kha heads back into the village **
(227) DM: The banquet seems to be winding down
as various guests retire to their quarters.
** (233) Kith Follows
him and blinks slightly at him thinking he could do it as well, then shrugs **
(227) DM: Randallson seems to have fallen asleep
in a sitting room, surrounded by ale tankards and dishes of pastries.
** (231) Agatha enters the library slowly.
"Hammish?" **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "I was about to
head off to bed."
(226) Kha: "You remember where Agatha
and Git said they were going? I stoped paying atention"
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "But what can I
do for you?"
** (233) Kith He
nodded "I think they said the library, but im not sure where it is" **
(227) DM: (a servant can take you there)
(226) Kha: "Well I could call them, but
I would wake up the whole town in doing so. So lets find a servent to lead
** (233) Kith He
nods, and he looks for a servant, and would have hte first one they found lead
them to the library **
(231) Agatha: "My companions and I may
have a long night ahead of us. Someone used magicked away Dame Gold's memories
of the banquet. Our guess is that it was an Aes Sendai trying to hide someone's
tracks. My friends are trying to follow her trail right now."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Ah, I
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Aes Sedai are
not unknown in Kern, though they are rarer than Wylundians."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Dame Gold was
trained at the Tower, but is not a Sister herself."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "You look
surprised. You shouldn't be. She has a storied history in Kern." (sips a
cup of tea as he regards Agatha, watching her face for some reaction)
** (231) Agatha hides her surprise. "Hmph. Of
course she does." **
** (231) Agatha takes a seat. "So pray tell,
what is her story anyway?" **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Well. That's a
long story."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "She's a
descendant of the last Grand Duke to rule Kern, before the rise of the
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "She's also an
old adventuring partner."
(231) Agatha: "Well, that explains her
influence and distate for the Nine."
** (227) Hammish of Whytecoin stares off into space.
"We've seen each other through, Edara and I. But in the years before the
last war between Kern and the Southern Kingdoms, we haven't been doing much. **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "When Kern went
to war, most of our band dissolved or went into hiding. A few were discovered
and slain in the course of the Purge that followed Kern's defeat, for 'crimes
against the Duchy and aiding and abetting the Nine's enemies'.""
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Oh, right. I
keep forgetting that most non-Kernin know nothing of history after the war. As
you might know, Kern acted with the help of ilythi'iri and invaded the Southern
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "They would
have won and kept most of their holdings were it not for a mysterious plague
that wiped out most of their forces and in a strange way, helped turn the tide
of the war."
(231) Agatha: "Aye, that much I
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "The plague was
the cause of many casualties in the conflict, but mostly acted to annihilate
their ilythi'iri and orckin allies. Bereft of their assists, the Kernin were
routed and driven back. The Nine sealed the Duchy's borders and fought amongst
themselves for the better part of the last 30 years. Only in the past decade
have they re-emerged, stronger than ever and now whispers fly of a new conflict
to come."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "When the war
broke out, Edara was sent away to the Tower for training as was custom with her
House. She returned a few years ago, only to find her mother dead, from the
machinations of Takalara."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Edara has
bided her time since then, and built a coalition of individuals who stand
against the Nine but this alliance is a fragile thing and open to infiltration
from the Nine Council's agents. I suspect that this Aes Sedai your friends are
looking for might have been one such."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "As for why we
are here, only Edara knows as her message held nothing other than a dinner
** (226) Kha enters the Library "She go away."
(226) Kha: (( *got ))
** (233) Kith He
walks in behind him and he nods **
(226) Kha: "She used the One Power to go
somewhere else. I couldnt figure out where, but I figured out how she did
(228) Git: "Figures.." :Git offers
from his silent position leaning against the doorway"
(231) Agatha: "It was a long shot.
Someone with her powers could vanish easily, I'd wager."
(231) Agatha: "Kha, could you do me a
favor and check this room for magicks?"
** (233) Kith He
shrugs slightly, leaning against the wall "She is above average strenght
for an Aes Sedai" **
** (226) Kha shrugs and scanns around the room **
(233) Kith: at least, im guessing she is, do
do what she did
(226) Kha: "Oneiros, The Mistlord, I ask
of you to banish Mania from my mind and let me see clearly."
(231) Agatha: "From what we've been
hearing, Dame Gold is no pushover. She's had training at the Tower, though I
imagine you already knew that."
** (233) Kith He
shrugs slightly "No, I didn't. I don't know every woman whose been to the
tower. But, hopefully your right, about her not being a pushover" **
(226) Kha: "Only thing I see is magic in
the walls, probably some type of protection."
(226) Kha: "I am gona go check on Dame
gold and to see if I can find the swordsman."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "I suppose I'll
see you all in the morning."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "But you wanted
me to do something?"
** (226) Kha heads out to check on Dame Gold **
(231) Agatha: "Aye, that I did."
(228) Git: "I'll come along. I feel
kind of responsible." :follows after Kha:
** (231) Agatha leans over the side of her chair and
speaks to the ground. "Okay, Luggage, I know you're nervous, but I need
you to show yourself to our new friend here. Can you do that for me?" **
** (233) Kith He
turns and follows git and kha **
** (226) Kha turns to Git "Well traveling should be faster now that I figured
out how to use the One Power to do so." **
(227) DM: It reveals itself: a construct shaped
like a kind of cube-shaped container with leathery green skin and a million
tiny pink feet.
(226) Kha: "Though it will be a little
more taxing then my flaming spear or lightning, it could come in handy"
(228) Git: "Really? How'd that come
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "What is
(231) Agatha: "This is the Luggage. I
can't tell you more than that, because simply I know little more than that.
That's not what I wanted you to see."
(226) Kha: "The Aes Sedi we followed
used it to get away, I just studied what she did, though it didnt tell me where
she went I did figure out how she did it so now I can do it as well."
** (231) Agatha beckons the Luggage over and pulls a
helm out of it. "A week ago, we stumbled upon the tomb of a man named
Zathis. Have you heard of him?" **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Luggage? That
must be powerful magicka. Or a creature of passing strange origin."
** (228) Git raises a surprised brow at the priest of
fate. "Uh.. right..." **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "He was a
rather demented wizard who chose to fight against the Nine during the
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Fond of using
magical items to kill those who opposed him."
(231) Agatha: "Aye. Apparantly, he had
a small cache of these enchanted objects buried with him. However, we can't
make heads or tails of any of it."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "I could
identify a few of those."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "If the price
were right, naturally."
** (231) Agatha smirks. "Hmph. A businessman
first, eh?" **
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "A realist.
When this event is over, I'll need something to ensure that I can disappear if
need be."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "At least one
person here has ties to the Nine."
(231) Agatha: "The events of this
evening are proof enough of that."
(227) DM: "I meant at the banquet."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "I meant at the
(231) Agatha: "Do you suspect anyone in
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Everyone, of
course." (shrugs)
** (231) Agatha rolls her eyes. "Well in a crowd
of this size, there ought to be at least one spy." **
(231) Agatha: "Let's start at 50 crowns
for the helm. If you can pull it off, we'll work out a deal for the rest."
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Bernaldo is a
famous but aged paladin of Solnor, except that he was briefly associated with
Takalara in her capacity as the 'Goddess'. He was her enforcer.
"Katrina is a rough-speaking but nobly born fighter -- from Hyboras. She
lost her way after being taken captive aboard a slave ship and worked for her
freedom under a slave lord although she claims to have mended her ways.
"Thaddeus is a former guildmaster of Ashen Rose, a thieves' guild in
Highport. You should ask him how he learned his assassination techniques given
that very few tutors know how to kill by touch, at least in the style
popularized by Jaxi, one of the Nine.
"Xavian, the Gray is an enchanter and alchemist of some renown, and a
former apprentice of Almeena the Ever-Maiden.
"And those are just the ones I have explicit knowledge of."
(231) Agatha: ((??))
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "Very well
(227) Hammish of Whytecoin: "This will
require a day of observation. Pearls are expensive you know."
(226) Kha: "Well Dame Gold seems to be
sleeping well, lets go see if we can find the swordsman"
(227) DM: (swordsman?)
(226) Kha: (( the one who killed the grey man
and swore he owed us a debut for buying his freedom ))
(226) Kha: (( he killed the Grey Man, which
caused us to flee the Inn into Dame Golds party uninvited. ))
(228) Git: (the nezumi?)
(226) Kha: (( ya ))
** (226) Kha heads into the village and starts
wandering down ally ways looking for the nezumi swordsman **
(227) DM: (hm)
(227) DM: (not prepared for that
(227) DM: (we could stop here)
(226) Kha: (( ok sounds good to me ))

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Monday, December 5, 2011
Freethought in Texas
By Naima Washington
October 6-9, 2011 marked the 4th
Annual Texas Freethought Convention.
This year's event attracted more than
600 participants and was co-hosted by
the Atheist Alliance of America. The
theme was "From Grassroots to Global
Impact," and according to Nike Lee,
the Alliance's president, "We want this
[convention] to be a springboard for
local activism all over the United
States. This is a time for non-believers
to step forward, make their presence
known in their communities, and to
challenge the impression that all
Americans are religious zealots… we
need YOU to enlist in this effort and
become politically and socially active
in your own community."
Paul Mitchell, president of the
Texas Freethought Convention echoed
these sentiments, "We want to keep
you engaged and have you come away
enriched and empowered with the
tools and ideas you need to take back
to your communities and make an
impact." The convention program lists
22 sponsor s and friends who
assured its success; there was a film
festival; Camp Quest was on hand to
engage children and the Richard
Dawkins Foundation sponsored day
care services. There was a blood drive
held during the convention and the
League of Women Voters provided onsite
voter registration.
It was great to hear Christopher
Hitchens speak during Saturday's
banquet as well as participate in a lively
Q&A session. He was also named by
the Atheist Alliance of America as this
year's recipient of the Richard Dawkins
Award which was presented to Mr.
Hitchens by Richard Dawkins. There
were at least twenty other presenters at
the convention and needless to say, I
was unable to hear all of them. I did see
a few WASH members including
author, Donald Wright who lives in
Houston and is the Vice President of the
Humani s t s of Hous ton. Sikivu
Hutchinson, founder of Black Skeptics
of Los Angeles gave a dynamic
presentation where she explored the
relationships between race, class,
gender, and religion. Her latest book,
Moral Combat: Black Atheists, Gender
Politics, and the Values Wars, explores
these relationships even further. Many
other speakers gave presentations
including Eugenie C. Scott, Michael
Shermer, P.Z. Meyers as well as former
Marine and rapper, Greydon Square
whose music deals with atheism, social
and political criticism.
I met and was able to spend time
with some incredible people including
African American atheists many of
whom live in Texas and said this was
their first convention. There were many students present and
it's probably safe to say that the Secular
Students Alliance can take credit for
that due to so much of their work on
campuses. The convention was
organized so that the SSA participation
was almost a convention within a
convention since the Alliance had many
specific programs and activities for
their members. Houston residents
probably outnumbered all other
attendees; however I did meet an
African American man who had
recently joined SSA. He was from
Spokane, Washington; another woman I
met flew in from Hong Kong for the
convention. One very dynamic speaker
was blogger, Sunsara Taylor, a writer
for Revolution newspaper as well as the
host of radio station WBAI's program
entitled "Equal Time for Freethought."
A radical, well-informed, and elegant
speaker, she was also very engaging as
she fielded questions and comments
after her presentation.
The accommodations and staff at
the Hyatt Regency were excellent, and
the organizers of the convention earned
a five-star rating. I am interested,
however, in what organizations do with
all of the information they collect when
registering people at conferences and
conventions. I see the potential to use
this information as a tool for helping
non-theists organize at the local level.
It would be easy enough to find out if
attendees would like to have their email
addresses shared with other
attendees in their cities and/or home
states. This would give people an
opportunity to meet after a conference
or convention since it is often
impossible to know how many atheists,
especially those who are unaffiliated,
live in any given area. I have no idea
who else from our area may have
attended the convention, and if we are
really intent on organizing people at the
local level, being able to get in touch
with them after the convention would
be helpful.
Even so, the convention presented
me with many opportunities to meet
many people, give out back issues of
the WASHline and to have a wonderful
Naima Washington is the secretary of
WASH and a member of the Board of
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This is not a piece lauding negative splits as the way to run a race. Figures actually show that the vast majority of athletes, even at the top end, do not run negative splits over the marathon distance.
This phenomenon is so extreme, in fact, that only one runner out of the first 100 mass-start finishers at the Virgin Money London Marathon managed to buck the trend and run the second half of their race quicker than the first.
To put it even more simply, that means 99% of the runners finishing in less than 2hrs 36mins 53secs (I think it is fair to say these are all experienced runners) ran the first half quicker than the second ie ran a positive split. With such evidence, it is hard to claim that a negative pacing strategy is the way to go.
And yet, in theory, it makes perfect sense. Going out hard and hanging on for a good finishing time hurts; going out slower and coming back faster is not only physically more rewarding and also mentally: the ability to be able to pass runners rather than be passed definitely fuels you to a stronger finish.
I certainly favour the negative split as a racing technique. In fact, personal experience bears this out. Last November, I ran in the Nice-Cannes (Les Alpes Maritimes) marathon, where I recorded a positive split of about 4mins. In May, this year I managed a negative split of 1min in the Copenhagen marathon. Both of these were run in under 3hrs, but the latter was far more enjoyable. Here's why:
1) Overtaking people in the latter stages feels great
You've been on your feet for over 2hrs. You're hurting, but so is everyone else. To have that extra little bit of energy to glide past someone is an incredible feeling; one which only fuels and inspires you to catch the next few people ahead of you.
2) Cross the line feeling strong
In Cannes, I crossed the finish line and nearly collapsed. I was totally spent. The recovery took an age. In Copenhagen, I was able to hit the final few kilometres and home-straight hard, meaning that I felt on top of the world when crossing the line. Sure, I was shot to pieces, but in a euphoric, 'I can do anything' type of way, rather than feeling like someone just bull-dozered over my legs.
3) Ease in, enjoy the race
Spending the earlier parts of the race seeing how your body is coping, testing for any little niggles and pains that might come into play later on, makes the first part of a race really relaxed. Take in the surroundings and acknowledge where you are and the feat you are undertaking. If you go hell for leather in the first hour, you will inevitably neglect this. You have to be disciplined to hold back – but it's worth it.
Tough as it may be, running a negative split is an altogether more enjoyable way to run. I offer no proof that it is more efficient or faster, but you sure do feel great when you cross that line knowing you just overtook all those people that shot past you in the early stages!


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A friend asked my thoughts on this article by one Chuck Baldwin. Its beginning and middle are of pretty poor quality, but toward the end it starts to improve.
--Muslims aren't "a people". Islam is a religion. Its adherents could be any ethnicity.
What binds Muslims together (to the extent that they are indeed bound together, which is not a whole lot when you think about all their wars between Muslims throughout history and the present day) is Islam, which styles itself as a complete system of LIFE and RELIGION and (get this) GOVERNMENT.
Thus I'd actually argue that Islam is very plausibly an inherently anti-Constitutional force, intrinsically devoted to the destruction of the American republic.
--Why is it bigotry or hatred to say that we need to control immigration better or close it off, as Trump says? Such Baldwin asserts, but doesn't argue for. I think that sort of language is at best sloppy and at worst really biased.
--He claims people are in a frenzy. Where are the resultant shootings of Muslims in the USA? Come now. That's just hysterical language. Sounds to me like the one in a frenzy is him.
--I watched the footage of Cruz's heckling, and while I wouldn't say he "stormed off stage" (the dude is a politician. Come on), it still wouldn't surprise me if he held a poor understanding of how the USA ought to relate to Israel. But I don't see how that connects to the previous paragraphs in the article or why I should care all that much.
(Note I'm not saying I agree with all that Cruz said in the video. The heckling seems to have begun with "Christians have no greater ally than the Jewish state." The hecklers were right to object to that sort of statement.)
--Baldwin seems upset about Cruz's action, contending that "These were Christians who are being persecuted by Muslims and Jews".
1) What makes Baldwin think that THESE particular Christians were persecuted by Jews? Is there some sort of mass Christian refugee exodus from Israel of which I am unaware?
2) If I were a Christian in the Middle East I'd much prefer Israel's "persecution" to the mass rapes and massacres that ISIS is perpetrating. It is disappointing that Baldwin would equate the two situations.
--Baldwin asks "Mr. Cruz, are you standing with Israel when it stoned Stephen to death in Acts 7?" What an amazing statement.
1) That wasn't Israel. It was the Sanhedrin.
2) Lots of Jews became followers of Messiah. Why aren't they the ones Baldwin calls "Israel"?
3) Stephen was part of "Israel", being himself Jewish. (In fact, since he had faith in Messiah, he was part of the true Israel as well as being Jewish by blood.)
4) There is an enormous difference between the Jewish people of the 1st century and modern Israel.
--Baldwin claims "As justification for their bigotry and hatred, Christians love to quote passages from the Koran that speak of jihad against "infidels." But, it never ceases to amaze me that these same Christians seem to have never read the Jewish Talmud."
It is very difficult to know how the Talmud is at all pertinent.
The quotations he provides are not even analogous to the usual citations from the Qur'an, which seem to a great many people to be prima facie, unqualified incitements to violence against unbelievers. These Talmudic quotations are not anything similar.
--"I propose that the Talmud is FAR WORSE than the Koran"
It may be, yes, but there are lots of ways to be compare them, and so far his comparison has been made along the lines of incitements to violence.
--"Yet, there is not a peep from the Christian community at large about the threat posed to Christian America from Zionists."
If by "Zionists" he means Jewish people or their ideological allies who are furthering and using forces of political correctness and such to neuter Christian expression in the public arena, I'd probably agree with him that internal rot is historically and biblically speaking a bigger danger than invasion from without. If by "Zionists" he means something more like "people who think that Israel ought to be its own country and who want the USA to give them a whole bunch of money and weaponry", I'm not sanguine about his chances to prove this assertion.
--"Yet, there is nary a peep from today's Christians regarding the attack against America's Christian heritage from Zionists."
I disagree. I think there are lots of peeps. But none of it would matter if most church people actually loved the Bible and were following it. THAT'S a far bigger threat than Talmudism or Islam, combined. Child sacrifice a far bigger problem.
--"Neither is there any mention of Israel's attack against the U.S.S. Liberty, which took the lives of dozens of American sailors and Marines. It's as if it never happened."
Fair enough, but that's one attack weighed against hundreds on the part of Islamic jihadists. Of course this attack shouldn't be ignored; far less should Baldwin ignore the many, many jihadist incidents from the Religion of Peace.
--"I invite you to watch this video (caution, bad language is used) of an atheist Jew (yes, a sizeable percentage of Jews are atheists) who goes berserk with rage against a Christian man on the campus of the University of California, Berkeley."
One video.
Check out my own YouTube page. Given the ways that I've been addressed by various people, I could use the same procedure as Baldwin and contend that white middle age Caucasians are a huge threat to America.
And they kinda are, but b/c they are products and representatives of the worldview that is causing the massive internal rot in the USA. Not b/c they are white Caucasians or whatever.
--"Does this young Jewish man represent all Jews? Of course not. No more than Islamist militants represent all Muslims."
Few people claim that jihadists represent ALL Muslims. Part of the argument is that jihadists comprise a very large chunk of the Muslim population, and that's dangerous when you let a whole bunch of Muslims immigrate.
--"Would anyone dare suggest that there is no such thing as a peace-loving Lutheran because of the words of Martin Luther?"
I would never say, for my part, that "there is no such thing as a peace-loving Muslim". As such, he's not addressing what I'd see as a fairly sophisticated argument against Muslim immigration.
Also, see above at the prima facie, ongoing incitements to violence.
--"During the first five years of Calvin's rule in the small town of Geneva, 13 people were hanged, 10 were decapitated, and 35 were burned to death."
I don't know anyone who is sticking up for these actions, but if Baldwin is trying to compare body count between Calvin's Geneva and Islamic jihad, he needs to come up with a lot more European bodies, quick.
--"Donald Trump is absolutely correct when he points out the problem of an unsecured U.S. border. But why doesn't he go on a mission to root out the Mexican drug gangs from America?"
He should. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't ALSO address the problem of jihadist immigration. But anyone who addresses the one and not the other should be criticised, yes.
--"And speaking of greed, NOTHING COMPARES to the international bankers in New York City and the politicians in Washington, D.C. NOTHING!"
Finally something with which I can agree!
--"It was America's wars of intervention that brought the Muslim conflict home to the United States."
I don't disagree. That and too-open immigration.
But I figure that if Islamic forces had been able to create a strong enough world power at some point, the USA might become a target of conquest. That's a significant historical pattern.
--"what's the difference between a religious Muslim who hates America and a religious Christian who hates Iran and Syria?"
The Muslim would be arguably consistent with his profession, and the Christian would be most definitely inconsistent with his own.
--"If the story of Jonah teaches anything, it teaches God's great love for ALL people and the responsibility of God's men to rid hatred from their hearts and to be willing to take the message of God's love to even those we consider our enemies."
Definitely true.
--"I urge folks to watch this video of an elderly Muslim lady courageously scolding a truckload of ISIS fighters face-to-face. She told them in the name of Allah to STOP the violence they were perpetrating."
That would be a helpful consideration, for sure. Those who profess Islam are as varied as those who profess Christianity. There are people of all different levels of commitment to what they understand their religion to demand. People who love their comfort more than sacrificing for the religion, and vice versa. And then there's the question of the different flavors of understandings of the sacred text.
What Baldwin needs to make sure he is taking seriously is the fact that lots and lots of Muslims think the Qur'an and the patterns of the life of Mohammed unequivocally teach the obligation to violent conquest of Islam and the success of Dar Al-Islam over Dar Al-Harb. Sure, it's not ALL Muslims who think that, but it is quite a few, and then there are quite a few others who are followers, open to or already taken by the influence of those violent jihadists. And who can tell them they are wrong?
Baldwin could benefit from these helpful videos:
--"I submit that many Christians have themselves become lovers of violence. Who are the ones that are singing John McCain's chorus of "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"? Christians."
Baldwin is not wrong to point that out. Christians should probably stop listening to national politicians, period. And it does seem most American church people are very much in favor the US military going all over the world to beat people up. Baldwin is right to decry such things, but then he seems to oppose Trump's stance against immigration, calling it hatred and bigotry. I figure the military would best be utilised for guarding the American borders. But would Baldwin claim that's hatred and bigotry against non-Americans?
--"If even a fraction of his claim is accurate, that is a lot of blood on the hands of U.S. taxpayers"
1) US taxpayers have very little to do with the decisions taken by the national oligarchy.
2) This statement is FAR truer of the Holocaust currently underway within the borders of the USA, without any help from Zionists or jihadists or drug cartels.
--"Donald Trump says he wants to close mosques, and Christians cheer. Really?"
I can think of worse actions to take. What did French security forces find when they recently searched mosques? Lots and lots of weapons, that's what. Should American authorities take action against groups whose stated purpose is to overthrow the government and put in place some other system? It's not a perfect analogy, but it begins the discussion in the right place.
And closure of mosques has little bearing on the practice of Islam. Did Trump say he wanted it to be illegal to adhere to Islam?
--"the answer to America's Muslim problem lies with the CHURCH"
Well, that's certainly true.
--"Do Christians really want to open the door for our federal government to start selectively outlawing religion? Talk about handing the hangman the rope; that's it."
It's already happening, and really, it's impossible to say "no discrimination at all, ever, of any kind". Do we allow religious practice that demands virgin sacrifices to volcanoes?
No. As Doug Wilson likes to say: Not whether, but which? Not whether we legislate morality, but which morality do we legislate?
--"Instead of singling out people of one religion, Trump should have focused on his original idea of securing our borders from all illegal immigration and, as President, on faithfully enforcing the immigration laws already on the books--or even asking Congress to further restrict ALL immigration until as such time as we can get a secure handle on our immigration problem"
I agree. I don't think that the bulk of his article led us to this point very well, though.
--"And please don't write me with the hackneyed hyperbole that Islam is not a religion, but only a political entity. Tell me modern American Christianity is NOT political! Get real! 501c3 churches operate DIRECTLY under the political government of the United States. By their very charters, they are government organizations."
1) I don't think that churches ought to seek or operate under 501c3 status. It is possible to be wrong about 501c3 churches and right about Islam.
2) As noted above, Islam is a religion that is very easily construed to teach that its adherents ought to work and fight to create one single political entity that rules the entire world, and to wage wars of conquest to that end.
--"If Christians truly believe they are justified in hating and discriminating against Muslims, why don't they stop beating around the bush and start actually doing something about it? Why don't they follow the dictates of the hatred of their hearts and round up every Muslim in the United States, imprison them, and then execute them?"
1) The grace of God.
2) The inconsistency of most. Does Baldwin really want people to become MORE consistent in these mistaken beliefs, such that they DO begin acting on those concepts?


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So I saw THIS recipe in Bon Appetit magazine (my favorite monthly subscription ever) and I have been thinking about it for a week. I don't eat sugar a lot--but this idea blew my mind so I had to try.
Dulce de Leche ice cream
Homemade Caramel Corn (I used my own recipe)
Homemade Hot Fudge Sauce (I used Fran's)
Need I say more?
Also, every time I go on Pinterest my page is full of food. I wonder, is that what we women do? Pin food all day? Do we actually MAKE that food? I admit I have made some recipes on my board, but sometimes I just wanna log in and see a page full of trees instead of cookies and cakes.
Also, I wish Google Reader hadn't gone away, but I am on BlogLovin if you want to follow there.
Also, I would like to know if paying $2500 a month in rent is insane? Ya...I thought so. Praying that the skies open one day for us to find a place to live in a good location without such financial insanity.
Thursday, April 25, 2013
2 comments:
- Serene is my name, not my life! said...
Great.... now I really want some.
So, can I come over?? :)
- April 26, 2013 at 5:51 PM
- John W said...
I have to agree that $2500 rent is insanity. (this is morgan btw) We almost rented a house in Laguna for that much and it was a 3 bedroom townhouse. I actually wanted it so bad, but it just wasn't right. In my opinion, if you are spending that much on rent, you better have a pretty nice beach near by :)
- May 10, 2013 at 2:52 PM
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A financial review that turned up "excessive and questionable spending" at the Kentucky League of Cities has been turned over to state and federal law enforcement agencies.
State Auditor Crit Luallen said Thursday she forwarded the report to law enforcement "because of the nature and complexity of the exam's findings."
Those findings included high pay for executives of the quasi-governmental organization that is primarily funded by public money, conflicts of interest in spending, undocumented credit card expenses and gifts from vendors, including admission to a Las Vegas strip club for three League staff members.
The audit team of state financial experts found 19 positions in the organization paid more than $100,000 — some far more, thanks to raises over the past seven years.
Auditors noted that the executive director's salary had risen since 2002 from $170,000 to $331,000, and that the deputy executive director's pay rose over the same period from $141,00 to $255,000. They also noted a raise that took the chief insurance services officer salary from $124,000 to nearly $239,000.


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It used to be common place that your hot tub would sit in a sheltered area of your garden, perhaps on a patio or decking. Add a couple of garden lights and you were ready to indulge in a dip. However, garden design trends have come on leaps and bounds and people are wanting to create an experience around their hot tub.
The outdoor room is a popular trend that enhances the area around your hot tub to create the perfect area for relaxation and entertainment. If you want to find out how to create a hot tub haven to escape to, keep on reading.
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The process of creating your perfect hot tub space can be broke down into manageable chunks. Initially, you will want to determine the best place to create the space; you will need a solid foundation and safe electrical connections.
Next, if you haven't received your hot tub yet, have a look online to get its measurements. You will want to make sure the tub fits in the desired place. When measuring a prospective area for your hot tub and outdoor room, remember to take into account any design features you want to include.
Once the previous steps have been achieved, you can get to work on your dream space! However, if you don't have the time to be erecting different out door room features, there are a number of pre-made garden buildings on the market to house or partially cover your hot tub. You can then add lights and furnishings to make the outdoor space your own.
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If you have your heart set on creating your outdoor space from scratch, there are a number of simple design options that can pack a punch. Laying down new decking or paving can completely transform your hot tub's outdoor space. Alternatively, you could paint your fence a vibrant colour, or encourage climbing plants to grow up walls and trellises around your tub. Simply adding some comfy chairs, fairy lights, and a chimenea around your hot tub can create a wonderful effect. You could also turn your outdoor space into an entertainment area, with a BBQ and bar!
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If you have the money, it can be worthwhile utilising the expertise of a landscape gardener if you want to create drastic changes for your outdoor room. However, you will need to be very specific about the work you want done, so that it reflects your personal style.
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Wednesday, October 2, 2013
Bloat. The worst kind of Stomach Ache
Last evening, just as the sun was setting, Keith noticed one of our calves reclining on its side. This is often a bad sign. Occasionally a calf will lay flat out in the sunshine, basking, but when the sun is down a calf on its side...not good.
Upon closer inspection it was obvious to Keith that the little guys belly was far too big, and he was bloating up with gas. Cause? He most likely was a real pig during the last hay feeding and dove deep down in the wheelbarrow full of hay flakes hogging all the very fine, very tender hay leaves. Yummy stuff. Or the bigger calves ate first and he got what fell to the bottom, the tastier finer leaves.
However his "reward" was not so sweet.
Seems that these smaller leaves with fine particle matter will float up on top of the stomach fluid , specifically in the rumen, and this fluid ferments too fast developing large amounts of gas. If the calf is able to eructate (belch) or expel the gas rectally (the nerves that cause these reflexes are impaired with the increases pressure) he might correct the problem himself but if the pressure gets too great too fast, belching stops and the animal gets in trouble.
If untreated the distended rumen will press up against the diaphragm, preventing inhalation and the animal will suffocate and die.
Fortunately, we did catch it before we lost him. We tried walking the little guy first, he did get up easy enough. I prodded him from the back with a small stick and the occasional WHUMP on his back side while Keith went out to pasture to bring the cows in for milking But 25 minutes later he was worse. No gas, no manure expelled, no belching and his left side (where the rumen in located ) was growing before my eyes.
And his gait was staggering. In addition his side made that tell tale tight drum noise when I flicked it with my fingers. Keith came back and agreed with the retired nurses assessment, so he brought out the big guns, a puncture trochar and a cannula.
He showed me the best spot to puncture the upper abd. on the left flack about 8 inches below the spine and after tying the calf to a post he jabbed him firmly. Pulling out the trochar but leaving in the metal cannula we were able to immediately hear air escaping.
Within just 2-3 minutes, the calf's belly was markedly improved and back to near normal size. The cannula was removed and the wound watched.
The calf , you could tell, felt immediately better and walked away normally. Keith checked on him several times before going to bed and again early this am.
This morning I did some more research about cattle bloat and read that pasture raised animals (like ours) who are fed alfalfa in the fall, especially when the nights are cool and the dew is heavy in the am (he was, and it was) will bloat twice as often as in summer. The month of October is the worst. Bingo!
Now, almost 24 hours later and the little steer calf is doing well. I wonder what we'll do for excitement THIS evening?
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You guys are far more experienced than I in the dairy world, but I am curious... with our dairy goats, when we lived in CO and the goats had to live year round on almost entirely alfalfa, I quickly learned to feed baking soda for both prevention and treatment of bloat. As long as I fed it periodically, most never had a problem. I had one doe, however, that was sensitive to pure alfalfa and would randomly bloat up pretty significantly. As long as I caught it early enough, I would just dump a few tsps of baking soda powder down the hatch, and within the hour, the bloat would be gone. Is this something you have tried? We have our first cows this year, and I haven't experienced bloat yet, so am curious if this baking soda treatment would work on them.ReplyDeleteReplies
Red Gate...that is amazing and makes absolute common sense. I am certainly going to research that on the Bovine end. THANKS!Delete
We had a calf bloat once earlier this spring. We had fed them some rich alfalfa and that must have caused it. We didn't have a puncture trochar and cannula. Fortunately my wife's father was here and said he had heard it was recommended to shove a raw egg down their throat. Their throat muscles crush the shell and by that time it is far enough down they have to swallow it. I also did some quick research online and found recommendations to mix mineral oil and baking soda. Each time we would give an egg and use a syringe to force some mineral oil/baking soda mixture down the throat the calf would perk up, but then after 20-30 minutes would start getting worse again. After 3-4 times administering the egg and oil/soda mixture he perked up and remained active and alert. Never had a problem again. Our method was definitely a bit more work but didn't require us newbies to attempt to puncture the correct place without the correct tools.....and it avoided costs of having a vet come out.ReplyDeleteReplies
Often, when the bloat is not as advanced as ours was, a large boar feeding tube can be threaded into the rumen via the use of a hollow metal or PVC pipe (rounded edges) to keep the animal from chewing on the softer garden hose or feeding tube. Then a gallon or two (large cow) of warm water with mineral oil is pumped into the stomach for laxative effects. In our little guy who was not belching or passing gas we needed to do something a little more faster acting. It is best to have a vet or experienced cow man do the actual trochar puncture.. I looked on you-tube to see if any good videos about the procedure because sometimes if a vet is an hour away your animal is excuse the expression "dead meat" so the ability to do the puncture may save their life. Sadly though I did not find a GOOD you tube video on this method. Yet. The egg trick is new to me too and I wonder what its' effect is on the gas? More research for me!Delete
I'm not entirely sure that the egg had any effect. We put the eggs down him along with the mineral oil/baking soda mixture so it may not have been the egg at all. He was to the point where he wasn't belching or gassing either and we could barely get him up, and even then his front legs would stay stiff/straight and we couldn't get him to move around at all. Eventually he would simply sink back down to the ground. If I had to do it all over again I think I would give him larger amounts of the oil/soda mixture right up front as it took multiple doses of the 6-8 ounces we were giving him at a time to where he finally started acting more normal.Delete
Wow, I'm happy this had a positive ending! Lucky little calf. :)ReplyDeleteReplies
Laura, because we were just starting chores and outside at the time we caught this guy in time. We were lucky too!Delete
Poor boy. I've seen this with sheep, where the same treatment was employed.ReplyDeleteReplies
Sheep. I want some but hubbie says no. Which means I just have to ask again tomorrow.Delete
Oh you crazy, crazy kids! Miss you guys!ReplyDeleteReplies
Crazed. Yes indeed we are Zan.Delete
Wow. We've had to treat bloat in our goats three times (hmmmmm....and always the same goat. Glutton she is.) and did the walking around, massaging the belly, drenching with oil & baking soda and luckily everything came out fine (pun intended). I don't think I'd be confident enough to puncture into a goat's stomach, glad you & your man's experience helped in solving this not-so-little guys potentially fatal belly ache.ReplyDeleteReplies
What is it with these animals and their complex stomach issues? Just one more reason we tell our visitors "Do Not Feed". And another reason why I personally get worked up angry when someone tells us they are raising their animals on garbage they get from restaurants/grocery store dumpsters etc. Garbage in is garbage out and often results in dead farm animalsDelete
I have two goats (pets) and the lady I got them from recommended putting out a small feeder filled with baking soda. They eat it themselves when they need it. Amazes me.ReplyDeleteReplies
I'm seeing a real baking soda trend her...and I love the self serve idea too!Delete
I have two goats (pets) and the lady I got them from recommended putting out a small feeder filled with baking soda. They eat it themselves when they need it. Amazes me.ReplyDelete
I have heard about horses (on MASH) with the same problem. They had to give it a massive enema. Well, it was on MASH.ReplyDeleteReplies
Susan, I remember that episode. Yes I do. And now you've made me miss MASH. Nice going!Delete
Baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) is like Tums (calcium carbonate) for rumenants. We are in the central Illinois farm beginnings class and I am excited that I may get to use my vet tech training on our farm!ReplyDelete
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Thanks for the reminder of where to puncture! I googled it and your blog popped up. We didn't have trochar but my husband thought of a syringe with the plunger taken out. Lamb deflated like a balloon. Works like a charm and doesn't leave a hole. And while it's apparently better to try releasing gas other ways first, it was such quick relief for the little guy that we'll likely go straight to poking bloated lambs with a syringe from now on. Glad your post was here to make sure we poked the right spot though! Thanks.ReplyDelete