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|Battle of the Pelennor Fields
|Conflict: War of the Ring
|Date: March 15, 3019 T.A.
|Place: Minas Tirith and fields of Pelennor, Gondor
|Outcome: Victory of Gondor and Rohan
In Minas Tirith: Minas Tirith Garrison (strength unknown); possibly around 4000+ troops. Around 1000+ survivors from Osgiliath and Causeway Forts. Approx. 3,000+ auxiliary troops from Southern Gondor in Minas Tirth.[source?]
Unknown total strength, but vast numerical superiority to Gondor's forces in Minas Tirith; possibly over 75,000. Forces consisting of Orcs, Trolls, Wargs, Oliphaunts, the Nazgûl, 6000+ Haradrim, and thousands of Easterlings (Men of Rhûn, Variags of Khand, etc.)
Almost Complete destruction of attacking force
|War of the Ring
|Osgiliath (1) · Fords of Isen · Isengard · Hornburg · Osgiliath (2) · Dale · Siege of Gondor · Pelennor Fields · Black Gate · Dol Guldur · Bywater
The Battle of the Pelennor Fields was the greatest battle of the War of the Ring, and indeed the largest of the entire Third Age.
- See also: Siege of Gondor
After the fall of Osgiliath there was no longer a barrier against the forces of Mordor, which moved on the Pelennor Fields before the city on March 15, Third Age 3019 as the Great Darkness blotted out the sun.
Opposing Forces
Mordor's troops consisted of more than 30,000 Easterlings and Haradrim,[source?] numerous oliphaunts, and tens of thousands of Orcs; The defenders' numbers were considerably less. the city's garrison likely was no more than 2,000, the survivors from Osgiliath probably numbered around 1,000 (One third of that garrison were killed), there were about 2,800 men from southern Gondor who arrived just before the siege commenced.
The attackers used catapults not only to attack the city, through bombardment and flames, but also to fire the heads of slain men from Osgiliath and other places Mordor's armies had passed through into it.[source?] Later on, the great battering ram Grond (named after Morgoth's weapon from the First Age) was put into action.
Before dawn Grond was used to break the city's main gate, and the Witch-king rode into the city unchallenged, save by Gandalf. Before Gandalf's strength was put to the test, however, the cock crowed and the horns of Rohan were heard as around 6,000 of their riders joined the battle. Mordor's strategy for keeping Rohan out of the battle had failed twice, both through the defeat at Helm's Deep and the blockade in Anorien. So the Witch-king was forced to ride out and attack them instead of fighting Gandalf and destroying the city.
King Théoden's charge drove the Mordor forces from the northern half of the field, and charging the Haradrim cavalry he slew the Southron chieftain, the Black Serpent, and cut down his standardbearer.
When the Witch-king's fell beast attacked King Théoden of Rohan, the king's horse Snowmane lost control, and was hit by an arrow. Snowmane fell with the king atop him, and the horse landed on him, which proved fatal. The warrior Dernhelm, defending the king's body, slew the fell beast and challenged its rider. The Witch-king mocked him, telling him that no living man might slay him, but the Hobbit Merry wounded him with a sword that had been forged centuries before during the war between Arnor and Angmar and which contained spells against the Witch-king. The spells finally found their target, for the Witch-king was distracted and possibly seriously weakened. He was then slain by Dernhelm, now revealed as Théoden's niece Éowyn and thus no man at all. The Black Breath caused both Merry and Éowyn to become gravely ill, and they were sent to the Houses of Healing in the city. Command of the Rohirrim then passed to Théoden's nephew and heir, Third Marshall Éomer.
At the same time, Faramir, son of Denethor, Steward of Gondor, was also gravely wounded. Despairing at the visions of defeat that Sauron had sent him via his palantír, and believing Faramir to be beyond aid, Denethor prepared to burn himself and his son upon a funeral pyre. Only the intervention of Peregrin Took and Gandalf saved Faramir, but Denethor immolated himself before they could prevent him.
Meanwhile, the battle turned against the Rohirrim. The Southrons charged with their Mûmakil and wherever they went horses went wild with fear or were trampled underfoot, and the forces of Mordor rallied around them like islands of defense that the Rohirrim cavalry could not overtake. Éomer, grim after the death of Théoden but shocked by the unexpected (seeming) death of his sister Éowyn, the last living member of his family, flew into a berserker rage and charged his cavalry headlong into the larger enemy forces. So great was the wrath of the outnumbered Rohirrim at the death of their King that they broke through the superior Mordor forces, hammering deep wedges into the Mordor legions' front lines. However, this soon turned against Éomer: his cavalry had pierced the Enemy front lines so quickly that his company was now cut off from the other two, and surrounded between Mordor's front lines and their reserves. Fighting their way to the docks near the Harlond south of the city, Éomer desperately circled up his men on a hill and prepared to fight to the death, when he saw enemy reinforcements sailing up the River Anduin, and let out a defiant cry at his approaching end.
One of the visions that Denethor had seen was of a fleet of enemy ships with black sails arriving at the landings to the south of the Pelennor in the Rammas, but what he had not seen was that they were actually manned by Aragorn and other Rangers of the North, Gimli, Legolas, Elladan, Elrohir and many reinforcements from southern fiefdoms of Gondor. As Aragorn's army drove north a great part of Mordor's forces were pinned between Aragorn and Eomer's cavalry, and were "caught between the hammer and the anvil". Aragorn's army then linked with Eomer's, and with their aid the tide of battle was finally turned, and a brief respite was won until the final battle before the Black Gate.
There is no clearly stated final death toll for the Battle of Pelennor Fields. There is a definite figure for the cavalry of the Rohirrim that came to Gondor's defence; it consisted of 6,000 riders, and a full 2,000 were killed in the battle, including Théoden. Of the 5 to 6 thousand Gondorian defenders of Minas Tirith, and the large relief force of Gondor's southern provinces led by Aragorn, no definite figure remains. Two days after the battle, Aragorn led an army out to attack the Black Gate that consisted of 7,000 men (When he reached the Black Gate he had less than 6,000); 2,000 Rohirrim and 5,000 Gondorians. The size of Aragorn's relief force may have been over 5,000 or as little as 1,000, it is never stated. However, even a conservative estimate would place total Gondorian losses at 3,000, and more probably 5,000.
As for enemy losses, again, the size of Sauron's great army is not definitely known. There were at the very least 60,000, and this is almost surely an overconservative estimation. In Peter Jackson's movie adaptation, the enemy numbered over 200,000, and this may be accurate with the number present in the text. It is known that there were some 18,000 Haradrim. (The Rohirrim, consisting of 6,000 riders, were "thrice outnumbered by the Haradrim alone".) The Enemy's army was utterly destroyed on the field: all War Mûmakil were killed, the Lord of the Nazgûl was slain, numerous Trolls, and perhaps all of the Orcs (which composed the majority of the army) were killed, those that retreated drowning in the River Anduin. Many Easterlings and Haradrim proudly fought to the death when the tide turned, even as the Orcs were cowardly running away, with few escaping to send news of the power and wrath of Gondor to lands east and south.
Although a great and almost miraculous victory, at the subsequent Last Debate, Gandalf counseled that militarily, Sauron would still defeat them. The Free Peoples had managed to destroy an army outnumbering them at least 10 to 1, but lost almost a third of their own forces. Sauron had suffered a defeat, but he still had other legions and the force that attacked Minas Tirith, while substantial, was but a fraction of his total strength. Rohan and Gondor had been able to secure their flanks, eliminating the threat of Isengard and the Corsairs on the southern coasts, but Gandalf counseled that even with all of their forces concentrated in the main front near Minas Tirith, it would simply be enduring wave after wave of siege like a sandcastle being worn down by the ocean. Thus, it was agreed that it was impossible to achieve a conventional military victory through strength of arms, and instead to risk all on a last throw of the dice by Aragorn leading a diversionary attack on the Black Gate, to aid Frodo's passage in Mordor.
Portrayal in Adaptations
2003: The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King:
- The battle is the major centrepiece of the last film, although some of the events described above are simplified or altered for cinematic purposes. The Gondorian forces from the kingdom's fiefs are absent, replaced only by the Rohirrim. These are joined by Aragorn leading the "Army of the Dead" (instead of the Gondorian reinforcements) at the very end of the battle. Importance is given to the charge of the Mûmakil, the death of Théoden and the Witch-king's demise at the hands of Eowyn.
- The battle begins with Sauron's forces marching on the city and firing a volley of severed Gondorian heads over the walls (as in the book). Seeing Mordor's overwhelming army, Denethor despairs and Gandalf assumes command of the defenders. Both Sauron's army and the defenders of Minas Tirith exchange fire by way of catapults and trebuchets: many orcs, and a few dozen Gondorian soldiers, were killed whilst some catapults and siege towers were destroyed. Then the Ringwraiths, mounted on top of their fell-beasts, descended from the skies, spreading fear throughout the city and destroying many catapults. Meanwhile trolls bring forth the siege towers and engage the Gondorian troops and Gandalf in combat throughout the night. As the battle wages continues in the dark the orcs bring forth a giant battering ram named Grond and with it the Great Gate of Minas Tirith are shattered allowing the orcs, trolls and wargs to invade the city. In the book the populace was almost entirely evacuated before the battle. In the movie, the women and children remained, and many were slaughtered in the lower levels.
- By morning the Gondorian soldiers had taken heavy casualties and retreated to the higher levels of Minas Tirith, there Gandalf helps them to hold out until Théoden and six thousand Rohirrim arrive, decimating the invading orcs and routing the Witch-king's right flank; however, Sauron's reserves soon arrive with several Oliphaunts, commanded by the Haradrim, who turn the tide against the Rohirrim. Fortunately, Aragorn arrives with the Army of the Dead (see Paths of the Dead), who crush Sauron's forces.
- ↑ J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King, "The Muster of Rohan"; quote from Théoden, "Yet six thousands at the least shall ride behind me."


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Tocilizumab (another biologic), which costs £9,000 per patient per year (so about the same per month as middle-sized cat costs me per year … but then consider the difference in resources between lil' ol' me and the British government … on second thoughts, maybe not; I'm not quite broke yet), is being given to patients in Scotland (and indeed most of the rest of Europe), but NASTY has decided once again that it's too expensive for patients in England. And once again the fact that it could keep people in work and reduce the costs of unemployment benefit, keep them walking and reduce the cost of wheelchairs, keep them out of hospital and reduce the costs of round-the-clock healthcare … etc. etc. etc. has escaped them. It's an argument I've had with them a few times before on this blog, here and here and
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I'm glad the tingly business in your hands went away — what was it caused by, anyway? Do you know?
I think BigPharma should not be allowed to charge such outrageous prices for these drugs. I understand they're difficult to make, but honestly, $9,000 per yer — or more — for a medicine? This is the reason that your govt. and mine don't want to make these drugs available. I'm not sure how we fix this, but I do think these companies ought to have to explain rather publicly why a drug costs what it does…
Did that make sense? Anyhoo. Hope you're feeling all right, Polly. Always good to hear from you!
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HRTV Premieres Hits AIG $1 Million Grand Prix – Thursday May 16
Arcadia, CA, May 13 –– HRTV (R), The Network for Horse Sports, will treat equestrian fans to an outstanding international world-class show jumping event when it premieres a one-hour highlight show from the inaugural HITS AIG Thermal $1 Million Grand Prix on Thursday, May 16 at 9 p.m. ET.
(For viewers who miss the premiere broadcast, the show will be available at HRTV.com On Demand.)
The rich event, which is presented by Lamborghini Newport Beach, took place at the HITS Desert Horse Park in March, featured the world's top 40 riders, each of whom had to earn their berths based on the AIG Thermal Million GP Riders' Ratings.
Anticipation was high for this first-ever HITS Thermal $1 Million finale, and it marked the most prize money ever offered for a Grand Prix on the West Coast. This lofty monetary prize is further testament to HITS's efforts to raise the profile of show jumping.
The event attracted a strong field of U.S. and international competitors to a tough course designed by two-time Olympic medalist Conrad Homfeld.
From the U.S., a group of big-named riders from the East Coast traveled West with their horses to compete. The contingent included renowned McLain Ward (Antares F), Margie Engle (Royce), Jimmy Torano (Walk About), and more. From the West Coast, competitors included Rich Fellars, USEF Equestrian of the Year, and FEI World Cup champion. A newcomer, California amateur Tiffany Sullivan, earned the right to go head-to-head with the top show jumpers in the sport.
The Grand Prix not only featured riders from stateside, but also welcomed an impressive array of equestrian talent. Among the top international performers in the star-studded field was multiple HITS Thermal winner, Germany's Meredith Michaels-Beerbaum, who was the leading rider during HITS Thermal Desert circuit.
Elisabeth Gingras, Kara Chad, Tamie Phillips, Lisa Carlsen, Jenn Serek, Jill Henselwood and John Pearce represented a strong Canadian contingent.
Additionally, Simon Niziri, John Perez and Enrique Gonzalez competed for Mexico, while Josephina Nor Lantzman joined Enrique Gonzalez to present Brazil. Max Dolger and Helen McNaught participated under the colors of Great Britain, and Nayel Nassar competed for Egypt. Additionally, Mei Mei Zhu (China), Lane Clarke and Harley Brown (Australia), and Duncan McFarlane (New Zealand) were participants in the deep group.
HITS (Horse Shows In the Sun) specializes in hunter/jumper horse shows that judge both horse and rider from the time they enter the ring until they leave on a variety of factors, including grace, style, presentation and appearance.
About HRTV
HRTV, The Network for Horse Sports, is a television-based multimedia network dedicated to equine sports. HRTV's programming features horseracing from top U.S. and international racetracks, as well as a wide range of world-class English and Western horse competitions, news, original programming and award-winning documentaries covering the world of horse sports. The live stream of HRTV is available on a subscription basis to high-speed Internet users worldwide at www.hrtv.com. In the U.S., the HRTV television network is available via telco, cable and satellite in over 19 million homes.


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This week sees 3scale launch API Alchemy. This is an education website for developers (and businesspeople and web designers) to share knowledge on how to create and manage APIs.
Although API management and monetization company 3scale is behind this move, the site is said to be vendor-neutral in form. API Alchemy is not product oriented.
API Commons allows developers to share and reuse both public and private APIs under creative common licenses without legal concern.
"API Alchemy provides a broad spectrum of topics from how to build and manage APIs, to crafting a successful API strategy, instituting best practices, or selecting an appropriate revenue model. Material can be technical, academic, or business oriented, and will address both public and private APIs," said Steve Willmott, CEO, 3scale.
The collection allows community feedback and will be built out over time, eventually including community-provided content and rankings.
"The technology and business opportunities APIs present are many, and the market opportunity high. But even though the overall value for developers and business is clear, it's early stage and development around APIs can be tricky," said Kirsten Jones, API ninja and evangelist, 3scale. "With API Alchemy we aim to help both the creators of APIs and the developers who consume them reach their goals faster by sharing outcomes, ideas, use cases, and best practices."


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WHY is this medicine prescribed?
Fexofenadine is used to relieve the allergy symptoms of seasonal allergic rhinitis (''hay fever''), including runny nose; sneezing; red, itchy, or watery eyes; or itching of the nose, throat, or roof of the mouth in adults and children 2 years of age and older. It is also used to relieve symptoms of urticaria (hives; red, itchy raised areas of the skin), including itching and rash in adults and children 6 months of age and older. Fexofenadine is in a class of medications called antihistamines. It works by blocking the effects of histamine, a substance in the body that causes allergy symptoms.
HOW should this medicine be used?
Fexofenadine comes as a tablet and a suspension (liquid) to take by mouth. It is usually taken with water once or twice a day. Fexofenadine will work better if it is not taken with fruit juices such as orange, grapefruit, or apple juice. Take fexofenadine at around the same time(s) every day. Follow the directions on your prescription label carefully, and ask your doctor or pharmacist to explain any part you do not understand. Take fexofenadine exactly as directed. Do not take more or less of it or take it more often than prescribed by your doctor.
Fexofenadine controls the symptoms of seasonal allergic rhinitis and urticaria but does not cure these conditions. Continue to take fexofenadine even if you feel well and are not experiencing these symptoms. If you wait too long between doses, your symptoms may become worse.
Shake the suspension well before each use to mix the medication evenly.
Are there OTHER USES for this medicine?
This medication may be prescribed for other uses; ask your doctor or pharmacist for more information.
What SPECIAL PRECAUTIONS should I follow?
Before taking fexofenadine,
- tell your doctor and pharmacist if you are allergic to fexofenadine, any other medications, or any of the ingredients in fexofenadine tablets or suspension. Ask your pharmacist for a list of the ingredients.
- tell your doctor and pharmacist what prescription and nonprescription medications, vitamins, nutritional supplements, and herbal products you are taking or plan to take. Be sure to mention either of the following: erythromycin (E.E.S., E-Mycin, Erythrocin) and ketoconazole (Nizoral). Your doctor may need to change the doses of your medications or monitor you carefully for side effects.
- if you are taking an antacid containing aluminum or magnesium (Maalox, Mylanta, others), take the antacid a few hours before or after fexofenadine.
- tell your doctor if you have or have ever had kidney disease.
- tell your doctor if you are pregnant, plan to become pregnant, or are breast-feeding. If you become pregnant while taking fexofenadine, call your doctor.
What SPECIAL DIETARY instructions should I follow?
Unless your doctor tells you otherwise, continue your normal diet.
What should I do IF I FORGET to take a dose?
Take the missed dose as soon as you remember it. However, if it is almost time for the next dose, skip the missed dose and continue your regular dosing schedule. Do not take a double dose to make up for a missed one.
What SIDE EFFECTS can this medicine cause?
Fexofenadine may cause side effects. Tell your doctor if any of these symptoms are severe or do not go away:
- headache
- dizziness
- diarrhea
- vomiting
- pain in the arms, legs, or back
- pain
- pain during menstrual period
- cough
Some side effects can be serious. If you experience any of these symptoms, call your doctor immediately:
- hives
- rash
- itching
- difficulty breathing or swallowing
- swelling of the face, throat, tongue, lips, eyes, hands, feet, ankles, or lower legs
- hoarseness
- difficulty swallowing or breathing
Fexofenadine may cause other side effects. Call your doctor if you have any unusual problems while taking this medication.
If you experience a serious side effect, you or your doctor may send a report to the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program online [at Web Site] or by phone [1-800-332-1088].
What should I know about STORAGE and DISPOSAL of this medication?
Keep this medication in the container it came in, tightly closed, and out of reach of children. Store it at room temperature and away from excess heat and moisture (not in the bathroom). Throw away any medication that is outdated or no longer needed. Talk to your pharmacist about the proper disposal of your medication.
What should I do in case of OVERDOSE?
In case of overdose, call your local poison control center at 1-800-222-1222. If the victim has collapsed or is not breathing, call local emergency services at 911.
Symptoms of overdose may include:
- dizziness
- drowsiness
- dry mouth
What OTHER INFORMATION should I know?
Keep all appointments with your doctor.
Do not let anyone else take your medication. Ask your pharmacist any questions you have about refilling your prescription.
It is important for you to keep a written list of all of the prescription and nonprescription (over-the-counter) medicines you are taking, as well as any products such as vitamins, minerals, or other dietary supplements. You should bring this list with you each time you visit a doctor or if you are admitted to a hospital. It is also important information to carry with you in case of emergencies.
Please be aware that this information is provided to supplement the care provided by your physician. It is neither intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. CALL YOUR HEALTHCARE PROVIDER IMMEDIATELY IF YOU THINK YOU MAY HAVE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider prior to starting any new treatment or with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
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Stockton talks about new book 'Assisted', Jazz career, coaching, life
11/18/2013 12:02amJohn Stockton talks about his new book "Assisted," his career with the Jazz, retirement, family and more.
Malware 'CryptoLocker' forces computer user to pay ransom for files
11/18/2013 7:38amCyber security experts say it's one of the most malicious threats they've ever seen. It's malware called CryptoLocker.
Jury hearing lawsuit over avalanche death
11/18/2013 8:11amA deadly avalanche from five years ago is being relived in a Summit County courtroom this week.
Some foster kids 'aging out' of system ignore aid that's available
11/18/2013 8:37amEvery year, about 24,000 kids "age out" of the foster care system across the country. Foster care workers in Utah say the transition into adulthood can be more than some kids can handle.
Choir students' letters to Santa raise money for Make-A-Wish
11/18/2013 9:36amSingers of the Madeleine Choir School wrote notes to Santa. Each letter, which goes to a Macy's store, will add $1 to Utah's Make-A-Wish campaign.
Red blood cell size and depression linked for some patients, study shows
11/18/2013 9:50amA new study out of the Intermountain Medical Center Heart Institute shows a link between red cell distribution width levels and depression in heart patients.
Sunday storm made 'perfect recipe for avalanche accidents' this week
11/18/2013 10:46amA small avalanche Sunday may signify the tip of the avalanche iceberg, forecasters say.
Photos: Hiking Logan Peak in winter
11/18/2013 11:01amLogan Peak is an incredible must-hike mountain in Cache Valley. It provides hikers with incredible views of Northern Utah, Southern Idaho, Southwestern Wyoming, and the Uinta Range.
Man killed in rollover near Utah-Idaho border
11/18/2013 11:32amA 26-year-old Idaho man has been killed in a single-vehicle rollover near the Utah-Idaho border.
DEA agents nab 2 more in cocaine operation 'done over phones'
11/18/2013 4:41pmTwo more people allegedly connected to a cocaine operation that involved the sale of more than 100 customers a day have been arrested by DEA agents.
Police remain mostly quiet on details of deadly South Jordan shooting
11/18/2013 5:37pmThe initial autopsies on two young boys found dead in the basement of a Daybreak home have been completed, but South Jordan police aren't releasing details.
Utah minority students more likely to be labeled gifted, study says
11/18/2013 7:17pmWhen comparing students who have the same grades, minority students are more likely to be labeled gifted, according to a new study from UVU.
Man hospitalized following auto-pedestrian accident in Logan
11/18/2013 7:39pmA man was hospitalized with suspected head trauma Monday after being hit by a pickup truck while crossing the street.
South Jordan councilman pushing for new city-run school district
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Centerville man regaining sight after devastating ATV crash
11/18/2013 7:49pmA Davis County man narrowly survived an ATV crash that crushed almost every bone in his face. Though doctors told him he would likely never see again, he's slowly regaining his sight and inspiring others along the way.
Vandalized arch receives much-needed makeover from Boy Scouts
11/18/2013 8:09pmWhen Brent Taylor first learned about Moonshine Arch, the scoutmaster knew it was a perfect spot for a campout. And when he found out the arch had been vandalized, he knew his Scouts could clean it up. He just didn't know how. So, he asked an expert.
Deputies: Burglars ignore cash; opt for jerky, soda
11/18/2013 8:40pmDeputies are looking for two men who broke into a Weber County store twice in less than a week. But it wasn't money the burglars were after.
Martin MacNeill set for 2nd trial on sex abuse
11/18/2013 9:06pmConvicted murderer Martin MacNeill will get a two-month delay before he faces his next legal hurdle. A judge on Monday delayed a pending trial on a sexual abuse charge until February.
Crash on U.S. 89 kills one, critically injures another
11/18/2013 9:19pmA woman is dead and a man is in extremely critical condition following a head-on collision on U.S. 89 near Gunnison on Monday morning.
'Opt-in' Internet pornography initiative bad news for some Internet providers
11/18/2013 10:36pmA new initiative gaining ground in the U.S. would require Internet service providers to filter out pornography before it reaches customers. While many parents would undoubtedly appreciate such a measure, it could prove fatal for small Internet companies.
Dozens sickened after carbon monoxide leak at elementary school
11/18/2013 10:50pmForty-four students and adults from Montezuma Creek Elementary School were treated for possible carbon monoxide poisoning Monday.
Victims make crime easy for car thieves in Utah, police say
11/18/2013 11:09pmOn average, approximately 16 cars are stolen a day in Utah. There were 6,000 reports of stolen vehicles in 2012, and police acknowledge the criminals aren't letting up this year.
New campaign aims to promote gun safety in homes with kids
11/18/2013 11:13pmThe message of Bulletproof Kids is simple: Owning a gun is a right, but protecting children is a responsibility.
Deadly new drug easy for teens to buy online, DEA warns
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The Hollywood Reporter's Heat Vision Blog confirmed late today that Spider-Man 4, a movie that had recently hit the brakes due to creative differences primarily over what villain the movie should use, has been outright canceled.
Columbia, Sony, and Marvel Studios will instead reboot the Spider-Man movie franchise, launching a new series of films with Peter Parker in high school, more similar to the take on the character seen in Marvel Comics' Ultimate Comics Spider-Man. With the relaunch, director Sam Raimi and stars Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst, who had been involved with the first three big screen successes, all part ways with the franchise.
Raimi presented far from sour grapes, instead wishing Marvel luck saying, "the studio and Marvel have a unique opportunity to take the franchise in a new direction, and I know they will do a terrific job."
Sony's press release:
Culver City, CA (January 11, 2010) -- Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012. Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios announced today they are moving forward with a film based on a script by James Vanderbilt that focuses on a teenager grappling with both contemporary human problems and amazing super-human crises.
The new chapter in the Spider-Man franchise produced by Columbia, Marvel Studios and Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin, will have a new cast and filmmaking team. Spider-Man 4 was to have been released in 2011, but had not yet gone into production.


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HOUSTON — A shooting on a Texas community college campus wounded three people today and sent students fleeing for safety as officials placed the campus on lockdown, officials said.
Harris County Sheriff's Maj. Armando Tello said authorities had detained a person of interest. He did not provide any details about the people who were wounded, such as whether they were students or included the person who was arrested.
Authorities thought there could be a second shooter, according to a law enforcement official in Washington who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the ongoing case.
The school's official Twitter feed said the shooting was between two people and that the situation was under control. It had issued an alert on its website earlier, telling students and faculty to take immediate shelter or avoid the campus.


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For all interested people, there will be a meeting at the Mancos Community Center called "Water 101 in the Mancos Valley" on Saturday, Jan. 26, from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m.
Water will the subject and various people will talk about it. Gary Kennedy, superintendent of the Mancos Water Conservancy District will speak about the Jackson Reservoir; Marty Robbins of the Department of Water Resources will talk about the priority water systems, Brandon Bell of Mancos Rural Water will be there to address any concerns. Questions and comments will be encouraged from all who attend.
The workshop is hosted by the Mancos Conservation District and will be a good starting point for the discussion on water.
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SafeNet hasn't quite renamed itself MonetizationNet as a company, but the firm's previous heritage in security seems to take a back step these days to its software monetization and license management products.
The firm's Sentinel Cloud entitlement management service works by eliminating the need for node-locking and so decouples software licenses from physical hardware, which, in theory, reduces monetization risks for vendors provisioning software and enforcing license compliance in virtualized environments.
"While virtualization helps enterprises to reduce costs, it also poses a challenge for software providers who have traditionally relied on the ability to bind licenses to physical machines in order to control access to their software," said the firm's Shlomo Weiss. "Software providers are in need of new tools to track, control, and manage the use of their applications when deployed in virtual environments."
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Major Section: NOTE-2-7
ACL2 now has a more powerful technique for relieving a
rewrite or
linear rule's hypothesis that contains free variables. A new
documentation section has been written describing the handling free
variables in rules; see free-variables. In brief, the primary change is
that when a free-variable match for the current hypothesis fails to allow
subsequent hypotheses to be relieved, then additional matches may be
attempted until they have all been tried. Also see rule-classes (discussion
:match-free). Also see set-match-free-error,
see set-match-free-default, and see add-match-free-override for interfaces
provided to the user for controlling the way ACL2 deals with free variables
in hypotheses. We thank Rob Sumners for several helpful discussions about
the designs of those interfaces, as well as Eric Smith and Robert Krug for
helpful related discussions. Robert Krug also found a performance bug in a
preliminary version, for which we are grateful.
WARNING: Book certification attempts may take much longer now that, by default, ACL2 looks for more free variable matches (see paragraph just above). You can get the old behavior by inserting the form
(set-match-free-default :once)just after the initial
in-package form. However, rules from included
books that have free variables can still slow down certification. This can
be fixed by inserting
(add-match-free-override :once t)before the first event in the file that generates a proof.
Forward-chaining has been made more powerful in the presence of free
variables (see free-variables), thanks to a contribution by Erik Reeber.
Both before and now, when an attempt is made to relieve (prove) a hypothesis
of a
:forward-chaining rule in the case that at least one variable in
that hypothesis is not yet bound, ACL2 looks in the current context for an
instance of that hypothesis. If it finds one, then it binds the unbound
variables and continues to the next hyopothesis. What is new is that ACL2
can now looks for multiple instances of that hypothesis. Consider the
following example; an explanation is below.
(encapsulate (((op * *) => *)) (local (defun op (x y) (< x y))) (defthm transitivity-of-op (implies (and (op x y) (op y z)) (op x z)) :rule-classes :forward-chaining))Before Version_2.7, the proof of the
; fails in Version_2.6; succeeds in in Version_2.7 (thm (implies (and (op a b) (op b c) (op b e)) (op a c)))
thm above fails. When the
:forward-chaining rule
transitivity-of-op binds
x to
a and
y to
b, it then looks for an instance of
(op y z) in the current
context, with
y bound to
b but
z unbound. It happens to find
(op b e) before
(op b c), and it then adds
(op a e) to the
context. But starting with Version_2.7, it continues to look for additional
instances and finds
(op b c) in the context as well, chaining forward to
(op a c) and thus proving the theorem.
A new macro,
bind-free, provides a simple way to get much or most of
the power of metafunctions. Thanks to Eric Smith for coming up with the
idea and to Robert Krug for providing an implementation (which we modified
only very slightly) and documentation. See bind-free and
see bind-free-examples.
With the addition of
bind-free (mentioned above),
syntaxp has
become a macro, although that change should be transparent to the user. More
importantly, the argument of
syntaxp may now refer to variables
state, giving
syntaxp some of the power of extended metafunctions;
see syntaxp and see extended-metafunctions. Thanks to Robert Krug for
implementing that extension. Also, the argument of
syntaxp may now
include calls of
program mode functions. See syntaxp and
see syntaxp-examples (thanks to Robert Krug for updating the former and
creating the latter documentation).
The linear-arithmetic decision procedure (see linear-arithmetic) has now been extended so that ACL2 can reason about non-linear arithmetic as well (see non-linear-arithmetic for how to turn on this feature). We thank Robert Krug for the initial implementation of this, and Eric Smith for finding a couple of bugs in it.
trace utilities have been made available in the ACL2 loop.
o Function
trace$(and also
untrace$) calls the corresponding underlying Lisp routine
untrace), which however continues (as it has for some time) to be enhanced for GCL and Allegro CL.
o Macro
open-trace-filecauses trace output to go to a specified file. Macro
close-trace-filecauses trace output to go to the screen (which is the default).
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wetfor short) causes a backtrace to be written out for many failures, including guard violations. See trace, see trace$, and see wet.
A new
minimal-theory has been provided (see theories).
It can be particularly useful for speeding up proofs involving
defund and
defthmd behave exactly like
defun and
defthm, respectively, except that these new events
disable the new name.
The new macro
with-output can be used to suppress output that would
normally result from evaluation of a form.
The form
) can give the user an idea of what the
prover has been up to during a proof, or after a user-aborted proof.
Moreover, by evaluating
(verbose-pstack t) (see verbose-pstack)
one can get trace-like information about prover functions, including
time summaries, printed to the screen during a proof. Thanks to Bill Legato
and Robert Krug for initiating this work and to Robert for providing some
initial implementation.
The new command
comp-gcl is identical in functionality, except
that it always leaves
.c and
.h files when compiling in GCL. Thanks
to Rob Sumners and Vernon Austel for suggesting such a capability.
The macro
e/d provides a convenient way to
enable some rules and
disable others. It was formerly in a book supplied with the
books/ihs/ihs-init.lisp, written by Bishop Brock (who we
thank for providing this useful macro).
New distributed books include those in
books/rtl/rel3/, and
books/misc/simplify-defuns.lisp (which is
documented in
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:LAMBDAS, that tells
the ACL2 rewriter to expand all lambda applications (
let expressions).
See hints.
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zpf has been added as fast test against 0 for
nonnegative fixnums.
A new macro
gc$ allows the user to call the garbage collector of the
underlying Common Lisp. Thanks to Rob Sumners for suggesting this feature.
It is now possible to
monitor simple (abbreviation) rules.
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during preprocessing; see monitor. Thanks to Robert Krug for providing this
The second argument of
certify-book, if supplied, formerly had to be
t or a non-negative integer. Now it can be the symbol
?, in
ACL2 package, indicating that the usual check should be suppressed on
the number of commands that have been executed to create the world in which
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Re: GREECE - Greece just announced major surprise changes to its top brass
Released on 2012-03-07 18:00 GMT
|2011-11-01 23:10:48
|firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com
Kristen A. Cooper
Eurasia Analyst
From: "George Friedman"
To: "Analyst List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 5:59:17 PM
Subject: Re: GREECE - Greece just announced major surprise changes to
its top brass
Agree completely with kristen. No sane politician would do this without a
reason. Jest happened is crap.
Someone start crawling over facts and sources. This is a nato matter so
brussels should be buzzing.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
From: Kristen Cooper
Sender: email@example.com
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 16:52:43 -0500 (CDT)
To: Analyst List
ReplyTo: Analyst List
Subject: Re: GREECE - Greece just announced major surprise changes to its
top brass
I'm mostly trying to play devil advocate here - but if these are issues
that were long-standing or of limited significance why announce this when
the entire cabinet including the minister of defense is supposed to be in
an emergency cabinet?
Kristen A. Cooper
Eurasia Analyst
From: "Nate Hughes"
To: "Analyst List"
Cc: "Kristen Cooper"
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 5:35:41 PM
Subject: Re: GREECE - Greece just announced major surprise changes to its
top brass
another demographic to keep in mind is the civilian employees of the MoD
(don't know if this is who we're talking about here or not...). These guys
traditionally enjoy the privileges of state employees in terms of pension
benefits and job security, but are likely to take a big -- even
disproportionate -- hit as the military institutes whatever cuts but tries
to retain as much combat capability as possible...
On 11/1/11 4:26 PM, Kristen Cooper wrote:
the Association of Support and Cooperation of the State Armed Forces
That is the equivalent of the military's union and its not clear who the
"executives of the Greek Armed Forces is". The defense ministry was the
first to condemn these guys.
It is not at all clear that this was a cabinet decision. He needs the
support of the whole cabinet and the Prime Minister and the President to
do this.
On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Benjamin Preisler wrote:
This is not the retired officers:
On Sunday in a measured but pointed open letter to the government, the
Association of Support and Cooperation of the State Armed Forces, the
professional association of full-time staff, warned that the Greek
Armed Forces are monitoring the governmenta**s moves a**with increased
concerna** and that their confidence in the a**intentions of the
statea** have been a**shakena**.
a**The executives of the Greek Armed Forces are monitoring with
increased concern the latest developments regarding issues related to
their needs after retirement,a** the letter reads.
If the Defense Minister is acting on a cabinet decision I don't see
why he wouldn't have the power to do that.
On 11/01/2011 09:49 PM, Kristen Cooper wrote:
The defense minister saying he is going to replace the military
leadership that was appointed by the party that appointed him as
defense minister with his "own people".
That isn't normal. The defense minister does not have the power to
legally do that on his own.
Papandreou just finished up his speech to the parliament like 30
mins ago. The finance minister, Venizelos, never attended -
allegedly for health reasons.
There are varying degrees between military coup and routine shuffle.
If the prime minister is about to be outed - maybe this is about
cutting out the people that are more loyal to him than to the party.
If PASOK is about lose control over the government, it doesn't
matter who they appoint because the new government would just
replace them.
Also, the "trouble brewing in the ranks" that you are referring to
is from retired officers who want their pension funds paid in full.
That is different than dissent from active members of the military.
I'm not saying this is a coup - but it is unusual and, I don't buy
resistance to budget cuts as a sufficient answer - particularly when
its unclear who is going to be responsible for enacting those budget
cuts at the moment.
On Nov 1, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Benjamin Preisler wrote:
I think the military coup theory is a bit far-fetched honestly.
This was announced earlier as probably happening today:
On Tuesday, he convened an unscheduled meeting of the Government
Council for Foreign Affairs and Defence, the supreme
decision-making body on national defense.
According to sources within the ministry quoted by Greek daily
Eleftherotypia, Beglitis is planning to replace the leadership of
the military with "his own people." Unnamed officials described
his actions as "politically mad" and "militarily dangerous."
We also knew that trouble had been brewing in the ranks:
On 11/01/2011 07:48 PM, Kristen Cooper wrote:
All of the replaced officers were appointed by the ruling party
in 2009 and 2010. They knew cuts to the military budget were
coming - and they haven't made a show of resisting them.
Kristen A. Cooper
Eurasia Analyst
From: "Nate Hughes"
To: "Analyst List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 2:08:43 PM
Subject: Re: GREECE - Greece just announced major surprise
changes to its top brass
no, but the perception within the Greek government may have been
that these leaders were unwilling to accept cuts below a certain
level. They may have replaced them with more ambitious,
politically malleable replacements willing to accept deeper cuts
without making a public show of it. That may be a perception or
based on internal signals from these guys. We haven't seen
anything publicly.
That's a potential scenario, not necessarily what's going on.
Point is that this isn't about solving Greece's problems, but
that given all the political shuffling in Greece, there are a
dozen viable scenarios where this is just a symptom or
reflection of all of the broader shuffling.
The only critical potential red alert scenario we need to be
examining right now is either the pre-emptive move to stave off
a coup or setting the stage for some sort of military-instigated
hail mary by the powers that be to change the equation since the
existing equation is intolerable and insoluble. As long as this
isn't one of those two -- either Greece just barely avoided a
military coup or is actually setting one up -- we can return to
our discussion from the blue sky.
On 11/1/11 12:54 PM, Reva Bhalla wrote:
replacing hte top brass doesn't resolve your need for massive
defense cuts
From: "Peter Zeihan"
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 12:52:22 PM
Subject: Re: GREECE - Greece just announced major surprise
changes to its top brass
just so we're all starting from the same place, we've seeing
NOTHING before today to suggest that a military government is
in the making
HOWEVER, this is a piece of the world that has wavered between
military control and non-statehood for about 2570 out of the
past 2700 years, some of which are within living memory -
democracy is not the normal state of affairs
as such military movements are something we've been keeping an
eye open for -- don't know (yet) if that's what we're seeing
here...it could simply be that massive defense cuts are needed
in order to meet budgetary goals (and greece has resisted them
strongly so far)
On 11/1/11 12:45 PM, Reva Bhalla wrote:
what talk has there been so far in Greece of imposing
emergency rule by the military/govt? im sure that's
something they've had to contemplate. what's the nature of
mil-civ relations in Greece?
From: "Bayless Parsley"
To: "Analyst List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 12:44:25 PM
Subject: Re: GREECE - Greece just announced major surprise
changes to its top brass
this is not really helpful, only sending along because
apparently people in the financial world have been joking
about this as the optimal option for the past week.
The Appalling Greek Solution: A Military Coup
2 comments, 0 called-out
+ Comment now
Therea**s a not very funny joke going around the financial
markets at the moment, that the real solution to the Greek
problem is a military coup. (Just to make it clear, no, of
course Ia**m not advocating a coup. See below) Instead of
Germany trying to fund the Greek debt they should instead
sponsor such a coup:
Only half in jest is it sometimes said that a better use
for Germanya**s money than pouring it down the drain of
further bail-outs would be to sponsor a Greek military
coup and solve the problem that waya*|..
The reason being that a military dictatorship cannot be in
the European Union. Thus, if there was such a military coup
Greece would immediately have to leave the EU and thus
whatever happened to its economy would simply be someone
elsea**s problem.
Whata**s so sad, or bitter if you prefer, about the joke is
that, if we ignore the little problem of it being a military
dictatorship, this would in fact be a good solution to Greek
woes. They simply cannot, under any circumstances, pay the
current debts so theya**re going to have to default. But
default in itself doesna**t solve the major problem, which
is that theya**re caught in a monetary union at a price
which makes Greek labour woefully uncompetitive.
Which means in turn that Greek wages, Greek living
standards, have to fall in order to make that labour
competitive. Or, if you prefer, Greek labour productivity
needs to rise very strngly and very quickly. Either path is
extremely difficult and painful. The third alternative is
for Greece to leave the currency union and then devalue the
New Drachma.
However, the way that the European Union and the eurozone
are set up a country leaving the monetary union would be
considered to be a shocking defeat for the whole European
ideal. What the military coup would allow is, as I say
ignoring that little detail about it being a military coup,
what should probably happen and would certainly be the least
painful way for Greece to deal with its problems: default
and exit from the euro.
That we have to joke about such horrible things as a
military takeover though does show quite how dysfunctional
European politics has become. No one really wants to talk
about a dictatorship as the solution to a fairly simple
economic problem but that is what wea**re reduced to as the
current system simple will not take that reasonably simple
solution seriously.
Update: Ia**ve changed the headline from a**Reala** to
a**Appallinga** just to make clear that of course Ia**m not
advocating a coup. Yes, of course I know my Greek history. I
can see that therea**s at least one translation of this post
into Greek out there and I assume that some of the sublety
of the English language original has got lost. I was not, do
not and would not advocate something like a military coup as
a solution to a simple economic problem. The point of the
post was to point out that there is a dark and bitter joke
going around stating that given that the EU is so
mismanaging this situation then that might be the best path
left. No, no one who tells the joke nor I in repeating it
think that this is the best path: or even an acceptable one.
The point being made is that the EU is so mismanaging
matters. This is a dark and bitter comment on the EU, not
advocacy of a course of action.
On 11/1/11 12:28 PM, Kristen Cooper wrote:
Omar and Paul are helping me get the backgrounds on the
guys that were replaced and who they are being replaced
If you are going to have a coup from the military against
the government then it usually comes from the lower
echelon guys - which these guys probably are not. But this
is the equivalent of Obama and Panetta replacing the
entire joint chiefs.
All of the guys on this committee are members of the
ruling cabinet - members of the Parliament. The parliament
is supposed to be on lockdown debating the no-confidence
vote. All other business is supposed to be on hold. In
that case, they shouldn't be holding this meeting at all.
Let alone making surprise announcements like that.
As prime minister, Papandreou is supposed to be on this
committee. We need to find out if he was there.
Another thing, until this June, the current finance
minister and deputy prime minister, Evangelos Venizelos,
was the national defence minster. So, in theory, he should
have a pretty close read on the military's top brass,
knowing who is loyal and who isn't.
Kristen A. Cooper
Eurasia Analyst
From: "Omar Lamrani"
To: "Analyst List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 1:09:46 PM
Subject: Re: GREECE - Greece just announced major surprise
changes to its top brass
This is indeed rather huge. This is essentially replacing
the entire top military leadership in one go. There must
be a significant reason for this. Could it possibly be
military dissent against the Govt.?
From: "Kristen Cooper"
To: "Analyst List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 11:59:33 AM
Subject: Fwd: GREECE - Greece just announced major
surprise changes to its top brass
The government committee that appoints the top brass for
all service divisions is composed entirely of the ruling
party. I'm looking into the history of these guys.
This is not typical to replace the head of all of your
armed forces in a surprise announcement all at once.
Kristen A. Cooper
Eurasia Analyst
From: "Kristen Cooper"
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, "Analyst List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 12:53:50 PM
Subject: GREECE - Greece just announced major surprise
changes to its top brass
We need to look into this. I don't think this is routine
at first glance.
Changes afoot for the top brass
1 Nov 2011
(File photo)
In a surprise move, the defence minister proposed on
Tuesday evening the complete replacement of the
countrya**s top brass.
At an extraordinary meeting of the Government Council of
Foreign Affairs and Defence (Kysea), which comprises the
prime minister and other key cabinet members, Defence
Minister Panos Beglitis proposed the following changes to
the army, navy and air force and the general staff:
* General Ioannis Giagkos, chief of the Greek National
Defence General Staff, to be replaced by Lieutenant
General Michalis Kostarakos
* Lieutenant General Fragkos Fragkoulis, chief of the
Greek Army General Staff, to be replaced by
lieutenant general Konstantinos Zazias
* Lieutenant General Vasilios Klokozas, chief of the
Greek Air Force, to be replaced by air marshal
Antonis Tsantirakis
* Vice-Admiral Dimitrios Elefsiniotis, chief of the
Greek Navy General Staff, to be replaced by
Rear-Admiral Kosmas Christidis
It is understood that the personnel changes took many
members of the government and of the armed forces by
surprise. (Athens News)
Kristen A. Cooper
Eurasia Analyst
Benjamin Preisler
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