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New Qt Creator IDE from Qt Software
News emerged recently that Qt Software (formerly Trolltech) were working on their first IDE
The Greenhouse project began as a research project within Trolltech.
Unusually for the dot, I have decided to look at the Windows install of
The initial download for Windows is pretty huge, over 200MB, however
The inital screen you see when running the IDE is very bare in
The getting started guide itself is pretty weak right now, and is
I will begin with the obvious - create a new project. We have a number
Now we have got a basic project, let's see if the IDE provided shell will
Double clicking the mainwindow.ui file in the file view brings up the
At the moment, Qt Creator seems to have quite a few rough edges in the
Too bad Qt Software didn't decide to push KDevelop instead of reinventing the wheel. Now we have two "beta" IDEs instead of one "finished" powerful one :-(
But I hope KDevelop and Qt Creator will go on nicely and I will have a replacement for KDevelop3 pretty soon ;-)
Re: KDevelop
Well, as much as I'd like to see KDevelop succeed.... QtCreator to me is already much more stable, and debugging actually works!
In stead of adding new functionality KDevelop should focus on stabilizing. In our company Kdevelop didn't pass 'the test' because of issues like stability and poor debugging capabilities.
By Harry at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
> "Now we have two "beta" IDEs..."
No, we have a "first technical preview" (so not even beta) of an IDE with a radically different approach than KDevelop) and an IDE that was almost dead at the time that Qt Creator was started, but now seems to be alive again, still with the same goals that are different from Qt Creator.
I am sure that Qt Creator will lose its rough edges (would be nice if you could eloborate about them Rich, even if they are numerous) and if the KDevelop team keeps up pushing like they seemed to do in the last months, they will likely also end up with something useful.
Now for which concept can win more users: We will see about that. But it's really important to see that those are not about two camps working on the same thing but about solving the same problem with two totally different approaches. Ultimately the users (and by 'users' I mean 'developers') will decide on which approach is the better one.
By Daniel Molkentin at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
Sure, here are some of the issues I noticed:
- Missing tooltips on the buttons in the sidebar, initially they don't seem to do anything but aren't greyed out.
None of these are massive issues, but they definitetly made it feel rough to me.
By Richard Moore at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
Please report those on the feedback mailing list, where we collect feedback and can respond to it.
Btw: Nice article, Richard, although I sense a tenor of "I really don't want to like this project, but unfortunately I cannot seem find any real major flaws with it." Is this just the typically KDE-project negativeness towards anything new? Or me being overprotective towards a new baby?
You are absolutely right that this is alpha code and has rough edges. The GUI itself is only halfway done. You will see heavy development on it in the coming month.
Just a few quick additions/answers to the points you made:
- "Can't right click on a class name and get to the docs"
- "Switching between build types has radio behaviour but displays as checkbox items in the build settings view."
- "No project editor, you just end up editing the .pro file in a text edit field in the IDE. (eg. if you want to add a module to the project)."
- "Project names with spaces in seem to cause problems"
By MatthiasEttrich at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
Could you sort me out a posting account for the Qt Software news server? The application page at http://trolltech.com/newsapply.html still says "The registration form for our mailing lists [sic] is currently offline, give us a day or two and it will be back in action."
By Chris Hills at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
> although I sense a tenor of "I really don't want to like this project, but
I think you're being a bit overprotective here, but I'm not a big fan of IDEs in general. I was pleasantly surprised by this one, especially the fact the GUI was nice and simple rather than having enough buttons to run a space ship. :-) I think the fact that I was able to go from installing the app to geting a working browser without any major issues or needing to resort to the documentation speaks for itself.
Interesting comment about the project editor. I can definitely see your point, as that is something I've hated in Visual Studio when I've used it in the past. I think the fact that I'm not that familiar with qmake's .pro files was the problem, so I had to look up what the module was called when I needed to go back and change the QT += line.
Regarding the issue with spaces, sounds like a case for QValidator. :-)
By Richard Moore at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
I forgot to say that'll be reporting stuff to the preview list once I've had a chance to look at the app in more detail over the weekend. Don't forget I had yesterday evening to play with it and write the review, so I'm sure there's stuff I missed.
By Richard Moore at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
>> I think the fact that I'm not that familiar with qmake's .pro files was the problem, so I had to look up what the module was called when I needed to go back and change the QT += line.
Sounds like the best of both worlds would be a manual pro file editor with very aggressive code completion for the qmake syntax.
By Leo S at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
Yes, that would certainly help me.
By Richard Moore at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
>> Is this just the typically KDE-project negativeness towards anything new? Or me being overprotective towards a new baby?
That would be the latter.. Since when is the KDE project negative towards new ideas?
Personally I think Qt Creator is a godsend, if it's half-decent. The major problem with Qt is that none of the IDEs are any good. I can't justify paying for Visual Studio (although I have a commercial Qt license) so the Visual Studio integration is not useful to me, KDevelop is too buggy and cluttered to use, text editor + command line is a bit too primitive, Edyuk usually either fails to compile or fails to run for me, same with Monkey Studio. QDevelop is decent, but has some annoying bugs and seems to be largely unmaintained in the past 6 months, and Eclipse is a bloated pig that takes over everything and loves to crash when I use it with the Qt integration.
>> That's a terrible qmake limitation, you will have it with every IDE that uses qmake.
Any chance of that being fixed? I've run into lots of qmake issues with spaces (like LIBS paths)
By Leo S at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
> Personally I think Qt Creator is a godsend, if it's half-decent.
By Stefan at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
"Personally I think Qt Creator is a godsend"
Me too, and I think it's logo should be that "Heroes" sign because of this
By Paulo Cesar at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
> That's a feature, and a lesson learned from all of us who (still) use text
Cool that I'm not the only one with this opinion :-)
For trivial things, clicking stuff together is ok, but then don't expect it to be portable (and if it's just to another Linux install).
For anything which should also build on a different machine, the developer has actually to think about what he does, not only in the programming part, but also the building part. This shouldn't be hidden from him.
About the cmake support in the new IDE: how do you do this ?
Alex (cmake guy, you know)
By Alex at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
Very cool, Alex, working on this together would be great. Daniel T. will probably be the one to follow up here.
Effectively, all Qt Creator needs from a project plugin is some basic information on the project:
- all source files that are part of the project
everything else is added sugar. The best would be if we defined a standard xml format for Creator. You let cmake generate it, we read it, and everybody is happy.
By Matthias Ettrich at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
I wonder how hard it would be to make a .pro generator for cmake.
By Boudewijn Rempt at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
This is all stuff cmake can easily provide, no problem :-)
By Alex at Mon, 2008/11/03 - 6:00am
Re: KDevelop
Regarding project files and their edition with IDEs, I agree. Build system related files at the end of the day are nothing more than scripts written in a domain specific language and it always struck me as odd that so many programmers can't stand editing text build files despite that they spend most their time editing code.
I've been using almost exclusively visual studio at work for the past ten years, yet I hate UI based build systems.
So far, I think Qt Designer has great potential. It's incredibly fast and have a clean UI, which are the two most appealing things for me in an application.
By Antoine Chavasse at Sat, 2008/11/01 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
I just want to note one thing: the idea of having an IDE manage your buildsystem files is something that I think that comes from the days of automake/autoconf, etc. When I had to learn Qt/KDE development, understanding the buildsystem was even worse than learning C++. :-(
I'm happy that Qt and KDE are now far away from autotools.
By suy at Sat, 2008/11/01 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
> an IDE with a radically different approach than KDevelop
I do not see too much differences. Well - ok. The GUI is pretty different. But to be honest, the main parts of an IDE are not related to the GUI. And Qt Software could have influenced KDevelop4's GUI in a large extend.
The most importand features in my opinion is "code navigation". And the best basis for this is a "model" (AST) of the application.
> an IDE that was almost dead
For me KDevelop seemed to be pretty much alive the last two years.
About the rough edges: As long as qmake is the basis, I will not likely test it (using cmake at work and home). Qt Creator really needs to be more general. Support for STL containers (as currently the Qt containers) in the debugger whould be nice for example.
And yes, competition is always a good thing. But I'd say there already is enough competition (netbeans, eclipse, vi, emacs, visual studio, xcode, code blocks, ...).
And KDevelop could really need some more manpower. With the help of Qt Creator's team, we would have a pretty cool IDE _today_.
Re: KDevelop
> I doubt Qt Creator will ever evolve from an Qt-only tool to a general IDE.
If I understand the FAQ for Qt Creator right, they don't drop supporting Eclipse:
"Is Qt Creator a replacement for Eclipse? Why didn't you rather improve Eclipse/CDT?"
"... We will certainly continue to develop and improve our Eclipse integration ..."
By Anony Maus at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
They continue to develop "Eclipse integration". But they stopped improving CDT itself...
Re: KDevelop
> And Qt Software could have influenced KDevelop4's GUI in a large extend.
Influencing a grass-root KDE project to a large extend? The pure thought makes me smile:) Have you ever tried that? Has it ever been tried? You can always get people to accept adding stuff, true, but to target a different user group, or to focus? Good luck. It takes more discussion time and work to get two people aligned who do not want to be aligned than it takes to replicate the coding work of those two guys.
> As long as qmake is the basis, I will not likely test it
Yes, that makes sense. No point in trying out whether you would want to contribute the CMake project manager.
> And KDevelop could really need some more manpower. With the help of Qt Creator's team, we would have a pretty cool IDE _today_.
Aha, that was the core of the poodle! KDevelop is so great that we at Qt Software must work with it, but has so little man power that it doesn't get where it wants to get. Don't you see the contradicion? What you are really saying is: "write the software I want, not the software you want."
> Supporting Eclipse was a better choice, but they dropped it.
Who is "they"? What did I miss again? "Better choice" for whom?
Guys, please relax, we simply announced some more free software. Nobody is going to take anybody's favorite toy away.
By MatthiasEttrich at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
> Influencing a grass-root KDE project to a large extend?
KDevelop4 wanted to simpilfy it's GUI. And I'd guess that the discussion about KDevelop's GUI was about at the same time when you startet Qt Creator.
> Yes, that makes sense. No point in trying out whether you would want to contribute the CMake project manager.
I' currently pretty busy (besides posting here ;-). So I hoped to be able to test it with my code in just a few minutes.
> "write the software I want, not the software you want."
Exactly. Pretty selfish - I know.
> Who is "they"? What did I miss again? "Better choice" for whom?
Ok - my big picture is a really powerful cool full featured C++ IDE for Linux. I'd hope for cool code navigation tools, powerful refactoring tools, helpful metric analysers included, a smart debugger, fast, ...
Currently there is no such IDE for Linux (and hardly any other platform). KDevelop is the tool I think is/will come closest to my dream. Eclipse will maybe.
Some Trolls contributed to KDevelop before. So I hoped to see more of this to see my goal reached sooner than later. That's why I may be a little dissapointed - sorry for that.
But maybe you proove me wrong and Qt Creator becomes a "general C++ IDE". Or maybe KDevelop and Qt Creator work together.
If I'd work in a Qt only world, Qt Creator would definitely be a cool tool.
Re: KDevelop
>> But I'd say there already is enough competition (netbeans, eclipse, vi, emacs, visual studio, xcode, code blocks, ...).
The problem is that all those projects suck for developing C++/Qt code. And even after years and years of development they're not getting any better. I think there's a lot to be said for a dedicated tool optimized for Qt. This brings the IDE to an XCode level cleanliness and quality. Eclipse is a good example of being so generic that it's way too stupidly complicated and massive.
By Leo S at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
> And Qt Software could have influenced KDevelop4's GUI in a large extend.
Well, but there's a natural potential for conflict there. I'm a bit more cynical now that I'm running a company myself.
If you release products to support your main product at a company you usually have exactly one goal: sell more of your main product.
A well designed accessory product for Qt would do just that. In fact, for the most part, that's true with KDevelop as well -- I don't think it's unreasonable to view KDevelop as a tool to increase development of KDE applications, with some notably different dynamics.
Now, what happens when there's a conflict between something that would be better for KDE and something that would increase Qt adoption? Well, somebody loses. And if it's the product designer of a company, they're presumably none-too-happy.
I can seriously see where the Trolls are coming from on this since in the company I founded a few months back we're going to OSS some of our stuff at some point -- but we don't right now precisely because we don't have time to deal with the community. It'd probably slow our development down by a factor of 2 or 3. I don't mean that as a bad thing about the OSS community -- but right now we have the luxury of not caring about bugs that don't affect our usage, making decisions with other people's goals in mind and reviewing their thoughts and patches. (Incidentally, I've got a lot of might-someday-be-OSS-code that I've written personally that's never seen the light of day for the same reason. Learned my lesson there.)
So if I were managing this situation at then Trolltech, I would ask: How much effort would it take to get KDevelop with Qt 4 to the point where we need it, including factoring in a slowdown for community processes? How far away from an ideal Qt IDE would that be? How would that compare to the amount of time needed to develop one in-house?
And given that it sounds like there are only a few people hacking on KDevelop, I'd very likely have made the same decision as Trolltech.
A lot of times when we're looking at companies working with OSS we forget that they're companies. They're often filled with people that are passionate about OSS, but their primary goal is naturally commercial success.
In a community that itself has produced, say, three text editors, it's hard to fault a company for developing something that competes with a KDE app if they see that as being to their advantage.
By Scott Wheeler at Sat, 2008/11/01 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
Well, the "goals" seem to be exactly the same.
Our plans for KDevelop4 are:
So either the Qt Creator developers have not read the kdevelop mailing-list for a long long time, or their IDE is really just another case of NIH syndrom..
I don't know how much of Qt Creator has been written from scratch, but to me this seems like a big waste of manpower, given the fact that if there were only one or two full-time developers supporting KDevelop4, we'd have a really excellent cross-platform IDE right now.
By David Nolden at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
That sounds like a good plan, but after 11 years of programming, 8 of them using Qt, i realize, actually there is no good IDE at all, and it will be not. For someone who need very detail customizing level in the project KDevelop is not suitable, Eclipse too, especially with the CDT. The reason is always very same, I don't have custom make support. Everything I can swallow, but messing with makefiles without feedback is disaster. Alex, no offense, I like idea about cmake, but cmake is not always a solution, integration of the 3rd party library (for example). After so many years of experience I'm using Kate and self made make files, GNU compatible, believe or not, that gives me the best efficiency.
Because I was a fan (still in the soul) of KDevelop, I suggest to concentrate work on good project support, that's IDE for. So flexible make files, interactive editing, or at least prompt a warning, and drop support of qmake or cmake at all. The only right standard is GNU make, and yes, it is cross-platformed. Support of C++ specific is not so matter, i don't need IDE to be cross reference of my classes, i need one who can handle project, till than kate+term make the deal.
By doc_ds at Sun, 2008/11/02 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
Not wanting to go too far off topic - but how messed up does a third party library have to be before using it with CMake is difficult?
And when using custom Makefiles, how does Eclipse CTD make that any harder than Vim or Emacs?
By mabinogi at Sun, 2008/11/02 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
You didn't get my point. I never said Eclipse makes my work harder, Eclipse is, however, great tools, but not for CDT, not for me anyhow. I no need to use Eclipse if I need to do the work manually, I don't need IDE to be just an editor.
I don't do anything fundamentally wrong. It is a nature of diversity.
And yes, 3rd party library messes, because they have they own makefiles, so integration of that targets are impossible without sub-projecting, and not to mention some of them cannot be integrated as Eclipse project without serious work.
What is point to have CMake which calls "make -f Makefile" as a target? I will rather than use GNU make, at least I keep syntax the same. Again, I never said CMake is bad or whatsoever in that direction.
By doc_ds at Mon, 2008/11/03 - 6:00am
Re: KDevelop
KDevelop has custom makefile support, always had, and always will have. So you can write the makefiles by yourself, or let them be written by whatever tool you like. If you don't want the goodies KDevelop has to offer, then that's your problem. ;)
By David Nolden at Sun, 2008/11/02 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
Yes it has custom make file support, but than automatism is gone, KDevelop serves just like an editor, for that I don't need KDevelop because it already uses Kate parts. There where no support for custom made scripts like:
For that I need to edit make files by my self, so KDevelop helps luck in this case, always did. Everything could be done, it is just scripting, user point what scripts want to execute in those cases.
No need to be catchy here, I tried to be constructive, because I made the weakest point of KDevelop, and that is project support. If that targets you, sorry it's your problem, as I mentioned I don't use KDevelop any more ;)
By doc_ds at Mon, 2008/11/03 - 6:00am
Re: KDevelop
What's the difference? Either way, none of them will ever be as powerful as vim is :).
By slacker at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
kate now has a vi mode and since kdevevop uses katepart it also gets it ;)
By hias at Sat, 2008/11/01 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
emacs has a vi mode too.
By debianuser at Sat, 2008/11/01 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
Nice. I lolled.
Re: KDevelop
Trolltech wanted a crossplatform IDE. As great as KDevelop is, I can't quite call it crossplatform, because it's such a pain to get running on Windows or Mac. But even if it weren't a pain, KDE is a huge dependency to foist onto non-KDE users.
By David Johnson at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
define "huge"
By Aaron Seigo at Sat, 2008/11/01 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
1 Gb of software that needs to be patched, compiled, patched again _before_ kdelibs gets installed. Then about 400 Mb or so for the kdelibs and other stuff itself. Then finally we have kdevelop's dependencies to get through and then _if we're lucky_ KDevelop itself.
Re: KDevelop
I've got only a 40Gb drive on my laptop, with two OS partitions. Which means room is a bit tight. I know that terabytes are selling for dimes these days, but frugality was still a virtue last I heard. So if kdelibs/kdebase-runtime isn't needed by an app, why make it a requirement? (speaking in general here, not directed at kdevelop, which obviously leverages lots of kdelibs goodness).
I see nothing at all wrong with plain vanilla Qt applications. If greenhouse can provide 90% of the KDevelop's functionality without being tied to KDE, I say more power to it! And it's still a Qt app so it will integrate nicely with KDE.
I've got nothing against KDevelop, and I think it's one of KDE's shining jewels. But it's not going to be for everyone, with the large footprint is one of the reasons.
By David Johnson at Sun, 2008/11/02 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
Yep, KDevelop, been using it for many years (since 1.0 actually) and it is the same thing over and over again. Version 1.0, get's 80% usable - then forked between a group that wants a rewrite and a group that wants a port to the latest Qt. Same happened again from version 2 to 3, Harry from TT might still remember this...
Now I would say that KDevelop-3.5.3 *is* actually very usable and way better than switching between terminal and kate/kwrite or running gdb from the command line. QMake project management has it's quirks and you do have to protect your .pro files. Code completion works, Robe (another TT guy) did a tremendeous job stabilizing all that. Debugging with gdb works, heck you could now even get idb to work with it. QT Documentation works, you can right click on a class name and jump to docs. All of it makes me choose it over Studio 2005 for porting our app from Qt3 to Qt4...
One problem with KDevelop always was that the commercial distros have ancient version of this program, e.g. RHEL4, RHEL5 come with very old versions, and that KDevelop has gained a undeserved bad reputation through that.
But since yet another rewrite is in the making I am waiting to see whether TT can deliver. Given Matthias' track record (LyX, KDE, Qt) - how can it not!!!
Much will likely depend on whether TT will actually "eat their own dog food". If TT developers were to use this and had the possibility to contribute to its code base, this could quickly become a nice platform independent IDE.
I hear there was lots of positive feedback at the dev days this week.
By Roland at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
The big C++ support/code-completion workover on KDevelop 3.5.3 has been done by me, before we started working on KDevelop4. And I can promise that KDevelop4 already now is far better than all that. From what I see Qt Creator looks like a slicker version of KDevelop3, it seems to have nearly exactly the same feature set. The next generation of KDevelop will be far above that, of course unless nokia pumps tons and tons more of resources into their app. Which IMO is a big duplication and waste. Bot apps have nearly the same goals from what I see.
By David Nolden at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
David, thanks for the correction. I have honestly not followed who does what and lost track of who developes KDevelop. You deserve much credit, the code-completion in KDevelop3 does work great now!!!
When will KDevelop4 be in a a comparably usable state as KDevelop3 is?
By Roland at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
Lets forget the fact that the Trolls understand their Toolkit better than KDE's.
There is still a world of difference distributing a KDE app and a Qt app. Watching the Amarok developers package Amarok for OS X and Windows makes me cringe. Distributing Last.fm is hard enough, but at least we only depend on Qt.
Not to mention it is not even currently technically feasible to distribute KDE applications on all platforms!
By Max Howell at Fri, 2008/10/31 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
the solution is not to say "you can't use these additional (and often better than alternative solutions) libraries", the solution is to fix packaging of kdelibs on those other platforms.
and that would be a hell of a lot less work than writing an IDE, to give some sense of actual scope here (versus your Godzilla-is-coming presentation of it ;)
By Aaron Seigo at Sat, 2008/11/01 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
And who would be doing the fixing? The developers on those other platforms? Not likely.
Until KDE fixes kdelibs so that it's in a state to be packaged properly on those platforms (frameworks anyone?) packaging will suck, uptake will be next to zero, and KDE apps will have a hard time gaining. Which sucks because some of them are actually pretty awesome (when finally running on those other platforms)
Re: KDevelop
> frameworks anyone ?
Yes, there are people interested in getting frameworks for OSX. E.g. me (the buildsystem maintainer) and Ranger Rick (the OSX porter).
I think it won't get done for 4.2, but we will have a closer look at it for 4.3.
By Alex at Mon, 2008/11/03 - 6:00am
Re: KDevelop
Sorry I didn't mean to sound so extremist.
However, it certainly is currently true that distributing a KDE application on the big three is painful. And that is much less true of distributing a Qt application.
Distribution is a rubbish task. Nobody wants to do it. Because it is embarrassing to get wrong. And it is not programming.
So we all look to what is easiest as part of our decision in which toolkit to pick.
This is why nobody chooses to write cross platform apps in GTK, or wxWidgets. We all pick Qt. And, at this point, we don't pick KDElibs.
By Max Howell at Sun, 2008/11/02 - 5:00am
Re: KDevelop
I must say that I'm a big fan of KDevelop and I have used it since the beta days in '99. I have used it mainly for C++, Perl and Bash stuff with good results.
I really hope that KDevelop will continue to live and I hope that I can get some time to contribute to the system in a not to far future. For me, KDevelop not perfect at all, but it is IMHO the best IDE in the Open Source Community.
A big thanks to the KDevelop team and the work they have done.
And of course: A big welcome to QT Creator. You're existence will probably make KDevelop even better while being a great IDE on your own. :-)
By Jostein Chr. An... at Tue, 2008/11/04 - 6:00am
Re: KDevelop
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"Hi, Matthew?" the voice said. "This is Ethan. DJ Wooooo."
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I asked for Ethan's family name, but he didn't want to say. "Ethan has been working for me so far," he explained. "Let's leave it at that."
Ethan didn't develop turntable.fm—that honor goes to Seth Goldstein of StickyBits and Billy Chasen. But he describes himself as a startup entrepreneur with about twelve years of piano lessons behind him. Ethan was reluctant to share much more personal data, but I came away with the impression of a modest, soft-spoken guy in his twenties. Of course, I asked him how he became a turntable.fm hit.
"Dumb luck, probably," he explained. "One day I got a link from a friend; it was early on," he said.
"TT.fm," as it is often called, allows you access if you have a friend on Facebook who uses the service. The FAQ page says that turntable will wean itself from this means of engagement "eventually."
In any event, once in the system, you've got a choice—you can either search for and join a music room or you can create one of your own. You can become a fan of other users and "bop" them by clicking the "awesome" button while their selections are playing. This increases their point score, gradually allowing them access to a wider range of avatars.
There's a catch to launching new rooms, however. You can't listen to the selections you queue up for more than a few seconds unless there's more than one DJ occupying the "deck"—the array of five turntables at the top of the room. That's makes room creation difficult. I spent my first two weeks on turntable.fm unsuccessfully trying to initiate rooms.
But Ethan came up with a brilliant user and room name that mastered this challenge and helped make him a star.
"I wanted to be DJ Wooooo," he confessed, because "whenever you ever hear a song you go 'wooooo!' So that's what I typed."
The 'wooooo' move worked. DJ Wooooo's House/Dance Electro room is always packed with the maximum number of users: 200. I'm as likely as not to be "escorted to another room," as the dialogue window says, when I try to visit. But that's no problem, because there are an amazing number of rooms to pick, and some of them are morphing into true community music radio stations, often structured by musicians and developers.
Take the mashup.fm room, for example. It specializes in the sharing of creative mixes of pop tunes. Mashup.fm was started by DJ EEP (aka Andrew Peron). He was joined by DJ GUTZ (Nicolas Gutierrez) and Aaron Ho, Director of Software Development at Stormfront Productions. They built the room up to what it is now.
I asked Ho about rules. "There really aren't any rules in the room besides to play mashup music and follow the line if there is one," he explained, referring to the queue to DJ on the deck. "Pretty much the community comes up with the rules."
But Ho's subsequent description indicates a well thought out strategy for keeping everyone happy.
If [users] want someone off deck for any reason, or if they want someone booted, then usually we will follow suit. We do enforce who is on deck at times whenever we have a homegrown DJ releasing music or some other event the room might be running. But essentially, the only 'rules' in place are those of necessity, the things that must be in place to keep the room operating, such as no spam tolerance, music that doesn't fit the genre, etc. Myself, DJ EEP, and GUTZ, along with a few volunteers from the room, monitor the situation and resolve any issues or arguments that crop up in the room. Our goal is not to control the room, but simply to ensure that Mashup.fm remains a reliable and fun place for people to come and enjoy new music.
Ho has written a Web application to organize all the mashup.fm fans who want to DJ; the app allows users to line up for a spot on the deck. Ho's So Simpullly MashUp site has also just released a new beta extension for turntable, written by Michael Frick. But as his answer indicates, turntable.fm rooms pose various challenges to their creators and moderators. The most obvious are deciding who will run the deck, and how to deal with trolls—rude types who come in to insult other users, or who play music that hasn't got much to do with the mission of the room.
Every room has two people who can deal with miscreants by booting them: the creator and the current moderator of the turntables. Moderators can also "skip" songs. More subtle disapproval comes when community members press the "lame" key on a selection. If a DJ gets too many lames, a boot is not far away.
Boots and superusers
The troll problem occasionally presents itself on my favorite turntable.fm room—Classical of Any Kind. Any Kind was launched by Peter Ryan, who will soon begin the second year of his Masters in Piano Performance at the University of Colorado. Ryan told me that when he first showed up at turntable.fm, the classical music focus was pretty scattered.
"Every day the classical community on TT.fm found its way to a completely different classical room, and usually one that was not created by any of the regulars," he explained. "As a result, we often had idle moderators and very little in the way of control over abusive users. Also, some in the community reacted very negatively to different eras of classical music, and I thought that unfair."
Thus was born Any Kind. The room is managed by a small circle of dedicated classical music lovers with fantastic taste. They include Flutist15 (a freshman flute performance major and Russian music fan), JohnTavener (a doctoral composition student with a passion for modern sounds), Nepomuk (early music and Baroque lover), and BubbleBobble ("our resident sunny-disposition member," as Ryan describes him, "who also always has great piano music to offer").
Any Kind is the best classical music station I've listened to in years. But sometimes users come in and play a movie soundtrack or pop track, angrily insisting that it is a "classic" and thus worthy of the room. Ryan tries to be lenient, but Turntable is making it easier to handle such problems. "TT.fm's recent installation of a temporary ban system based on the number of times a user is booted is a great help," he notes, "and people can no longer just keep reentering immediately and continuing to cause issues."
Still, keeping the room in good working order can be laborious. "If I'm not there, the person who has been there the longest is the mod, and that usually falls to someone who has been idling in the room all day long. I find I have to come in every now and then and boot the idle mods in order to ensure that an active person can keep an eye on the room."
TT.fm has gone so far as to deploy "superusers" (DJ Wooooo is one; so is Aaron Ho) with special authority to resolve issues. How do you become one of these supers? "For some reason, they all seem to be users who haven't nagged us into giving them superuser status," the FAQ page explains.
So, given the work involved, why do people get so passionately invested in their rooms?


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Alcohol (wine, beer, or liquor) is the leading known preventable cause of developmental and physical birth defects in the United States.
When a woman drinks alcohol during pregnancy, she risks giving birth to a child who will pay the price — in mental and physical deficiencies — for his or her entire life.
Yet many pregnant women do drink alcohol. It's estimated that each year in the United States, 1 in every 750 infants is born with a pattern of physical, developmental, and functional problems referred to as fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS), while another 40,000 are born with fetal alcohol effects (FAE).
If you adopted a child or consumed alcohol during pregnancy and are concerned that your child may have FAS, watch for characteristics of the syndrome, which include:
Children with FAE display the same symptoms, but to a lesser degree.
Problems associated with FAS tend to intensify as children move into adulthood. These can include developmental health problems, troubles with the law, and the inability to live independently.
Kids with FAE are frequently undiagnosed. This also applies to those with alcohol-related neurodevelopmental disorder (ARND), a recently recognized category of prenatal damage that refers to children who exhibit only the behavioral and emotional problems of FAS/FAE without any signs of developmental delay or physical growth deficiencies.
Often, in kids with FAE or ARND, the behavior can appear as mere belligerence or stubbornness. They may score well on intelligence tests, but their behavioral deficits often interfere with their ability to succeed. Extensive education and training for the parents, health care professionals, and teachers who care for these kids are essential.
It's clear that abusing alcohol during pregnancy is dangerous, but what about the occasional drink? How much alcohol constitutes too much during pregnancy?
No evidence exists that can determine exactly how much alcohol ingestion will produce birth defects. Individual women process alcohol differently. Other factors vary the results, too, such as the age of the mother, the timing and regularity of the alcohol ingestion, and whether the mother has eaten any food while drinking.
Although full-blown FAS is the result of chronic alcohol use during pregnancy, FAE and ARND may occur with only occasional or binge drinking.
Because alcohol easily passes the placental barrier and the fetus is less equipped to eliminate alcohol than its mother, the fetus tends to receive a high concentration of alcohol, which lingers longer than it would in the mother's system.
Mothers who drink during the first trimester of pregnancy have kids with the most severe problems because that is when the brain is developing. The connections in the baby's brain don't get made properly when alcohol is present. Of course, in the early months, many women don't even know they're pregnant.
It's important for women who are thinking about becoming pregnant to adopt healthy behaviors before they get pregnant.
Women who abstain from alcohol in early pregnancy may feel comfortable drinking in the final months. But some of the most complex developmental stages in the brain occur in the second and third trimesters, a time when the nervous system can be greatly affected by alcohol. Even moderate alcohol intake, and especially periodic binge drinking, can seriously damage a developing nervous system.
FAS can be completely prevented by not drinking any alcohol during pregnancy.
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Date reviewed: November 2011
Originally reviewed by: Linda Nicholson, MS, MC
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It's normal to be nervous about a procedure that involves your child's heart. But cardiac catheterizations are usually no cause for alarm. These procedures are often successful in kids and teens and carry a very low risk of complications.
Kids are usually released from the hospital the very same day and can resume most regular activities within a week.
Cardiac catheterizations help doctors perform diagnostic tests on the heart and its blood vessels, and even treat some heart conditions. During the procedure, doctors put a long, thin tube (catheter) into a blood vessel and thread it through blood vessels to the heart. Once the catheter is in place, doctors can use instruments to see into the heart and its chambers (via X-ray) and perform certain procedures.
Often, a cardiac catheterization can make open-heart surgery unnecessary, although for more serious heart problems, it's common for cardiac catheterization to be done in addition to open-heart surgical procedures.
Cardiac catheterization is what is called an invasive procedure, meaning it involves going into the body through the skin. However, it is a minimally invasive procedure and is not considered "open" surgery since it's performed without making any large incisions. Usually the only sign that a person has had the procedure is a small puncture hole where the catheter was inserted, usually in the groin area, but sometimes in the arm or neck.
By performing a cardiac catheterization for diagnostic purposes, a doctor can:
A number of treatments for heart conditions can be performed during a cardiac catheterization. These include:
Cardiac catheterizations are generally safe procedures, particularly in comparison with open-heart surgery. Although complications are rare, any procedure that involves the heart and blood vessels does carry risks, such as:
Your doctor will discuss these risks with you and your child before the procedure is performed.
Before the procedure, the doctor will perform a number of diagnostic tests, including an echocardiogram (ECHO), which uses sound waves to create a picture of the heart. The doctor also might do an electrocardiogram (EKG or ECG) to record the electrical activity of the heart. In rare cases, the doctor might call for a cardiac magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scan or a CAT scan.
Before the procedure, make sure you discuss any allergies your child has with the doctor, particularly if they involve contrast material, iodine, seafood, latex, or rubber products. Also discuss any medications your child takes. The doctor might have your child stop taking medications or adjust the doses for a few days before the procedure. Bring a list of your child's medications and dosages with you to the hospital.
Your child will be instructed not to eat or drink anything for about 8-12 hours before the procedure. Having something in the stomach can increase the risk of complications from anesthesia. After the procedure, your child will be able to eat and drink.
When it's time to go to the hospital, have your child wear comfortable clothes and remove any jewelry, especially necklaces that may interfere with the pictures to be taken of the heart. At check-in, your child's blood pressure and pulse will be recorded. It's important to keep your child relaxed and distracted at this point so that the heart beats at a normal rate.
If there's a possibility that your child may have to stay in the hospital after the procedure, bring toiletries and any other items that can make the stay more comfortable.
The cardiac catheterization will be performed by a pediatric cardiologist in a catheterization lab. The lab has special X-ray and imaging machines not found in normal operating rooms.
A team of doctors and nurses will be on hand to make sure your child is comfortable and the procedure goes smoothly. In the lab, your child will lie on a small table surrounded by heart monitors and other equipment. The room is kept cool to protect this sensitive equipment, so your child may be offered blankets to keep warm.
First, an intravenous (IV) line will be inserted into your child's arm to deliver medications and fluids during the procedure. A sedative will be given to help your child relax and sleep. Small, sticky patches called electrodes will be placed on the chest; these are attached to an electrocardiograph (ECG) monitor, which will monitor the heartbeat during the procedure.
A nurse will clean and possibly shave the area where the catheter will be inserted, and your child will be given an injection of a local anesthetic (a drug that numbs only a small, specific part of the body, like a hand or patch of skin). Once the area is numb, a plastic sheath (a short, hollow tube used to guide the catheter into the blood vessel) will be inserted into the groin or arm, and then the catheter will follow.
The cardiologist will use X-rays to help guide the catheter as it moves up the blood vessels toward your child's heart. When the catheter is in place, a small amount of contrast material will be injected into the blood vessels and heart.
X-rays will be taken of the heart and if your child needs a treatment (like a valve repair or angioplasty), it will be performed at this time.
After the cardiac catheterization is finished, the catheter will be removed and the site where it was inserted will be bandaged. Your child will recover for several hours while the nursing staff monitors his or her progress. If the catheter was inserted into the groin, your child will need to keep the affected leg straight for a few hours after the procedure to minimize the chances of bleeding at the catheterization site.
If you have a long drive home, stop every hour and have your child walk for 5-10 minutes. If you'll be on a plane, have your child stretch his or her legs and walk in the aisle at least once an hour.
The day after the catheterization, your child may remove the bandage. This is easily done by getting it wet in the shower and taking it off. Once the area is dry, replace the bandage with a small adhesive bandage. It's normal for the site to be bruised, red, or slightly swollen for a couple of days after the procedure.
Have your child gently wash the site with soap and water at least once a day, but he or she should avoid baths, hot tubs, and swimming for 1 week after the catheterization. Don't use any creams, lotions, or ointments on the area.
The doctor will tell you when it's safe for your child to resume activities. In general, your child can expect to feel tired and weak the day after the procedure and will need to take it easy for the first couple of days. This means no heavy lifting (more than 10 pounds) and no sports. After about a week, your child probably will get the go-ahead to return to all normal activities.
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Date reviewed: July 2012
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Retirement plan providers are seeing a rise in sponsors shopping their defined contribution plans, setting off a 401(k) bidding war as employers get aggressive in their search for lower fees and better options.
As the fourth quarter approaches — the time when most companies make benefits decisions — many are digging into the question of whether they might be paying too much in administrative and recordkeeping fees and would like to see what else is out there.
"From now until mid-December, it is clearly our peak season," said Mike Narkoff, senior vice president for Pennsylvania-based Ascensus, which provides recordkeeping and administrative services to more than 43,000 retirement plans and 1.5 million IRAs. "We do see most of our new clients onboarding in the later part of the year."
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The advantage for new plans or those switching providers now is they can start up on Jan. 1, giving their employees a full calendar year to save as much as they can and maximize their savings for the year, Narkoff said.
A growing awareness that there's sometimes a huge disparity in fees is what's mostly driving the trend. Higher costs can leave retirement plan participants with far less in savings – sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars – after fees are paid.
"Service and fees have always been the two most dominant features that employers and advisors look at. I would tell you, given the new (Labor Department) fee disclosure regulations and the (regulatory) scrutiny around fees, it is not as much about what the fees are, but more clarity around how they work and are they reasonable," Narkoff said.
That's not to understate the sensitivity to price, especially as an ever-shrinking number of companies move away from traditional defined-benefit pension plans to 401(k)s.
Of course, as fiduciaries, plan sponsors are under greater pressure than ever to act in the best interest of plan participants when selecting investment options, service providers and monitoring their choices.
Chad Parks, president of The Online 401(k), which specializes in web-based 401(k) plans for small businesses, said a lot of small- to mid-size plans are actively shopping.
Indeed, a recent survey by Cogent Research found that just 38 percent of all plan sponsors feel confident they are paying similar fees to those paid by their peers, though larger plans were more confident in their fees than micro- and small-plan sponsors.
Of the 73 percent of plan sponsors who said they received fee disclosure information from their plan providers last year, 46 percent said they plan to maintain their current fee arrangements. About one in five plan sponsors plan to request fee reductions, with 31 percent of mega-plan sponsors likely to take such action, according to Cogent.
"There is definitely heightened awareness of fees," Parks said.
And if there's not, there ought to be, he said.
"People signed up for the first thing to come along and they didn't necessarily know this information," he said. "Now they are armed with this information, so it is time to do a self-audit to make sure they are doing the right thing."
Parks said many of the more entrenched service providers have yet to reduce their fees.
He pointed out that one of the largest 401(k) providers in the United States is still charging 250 basis points for administrative and recordkeeping fees. Parks says he doesn't believe anyone should be charging more than 100 basis points in fees. His company, he said, charges 25 basis points.
As counter-intuitive as it might sound, starting a plan or changing a plan has become more complicated in light of new regulations such as fee disclosure. That's because there's more data available to compare.
There are also more choices, and even though the market is moving toward greater transparency, Parks doesn't think plan providers make it easy for companies to make the switch. Old providers don't cooperate with the new providers, he said. "They delay it; push it to the last minute."
Eventually, companies will realize they have to change if they want to remain competitive, he said.
"It is going to be a matter of time for some providers who have very abusive fee structures. Momentum will increase and clients will exodus," Parks said.
"They will either lower their fees to be competitive, or their clients will leave them because of the fiduciary and legal responsibilities they have," he added.
The Department of Labor has said it plans to increase its audits of plans moving forward, and several class-action lawsuits regarding excessive fees have been successful.
In a highly publicized move, a Yale University professor also stirred the pot earlier this year by sending out letters to companies he believes charge excessive fees.
Narkoff, echoing a common refrain, recommends plan sponsors work with a financial advisor when making any plan changes.
"I think the employers, small-business owners generally speaking, who are on their own, are not paying the same amount of attention as they are if they are working with an advisor that works in the space," he said. "We see the financial advisor as being the person helping employers understand the different pricing models available."
Not incidentally, as employers look to make changes in their retirement plans for next year, one of the features many are adding are auto enrollment and auto escalation. And while adding these features don't cost anything directly, they can add cost to a plan, Narkoff said.
The additional costs come from higher recordkeeping fees because the number of covered employees increases when automatic enrollment is employed, and increased administration costs because it costs more to manage participants who have active account balances.
In any case, as employers get more assertive about reining in fees, the industry should expect to see more competitive bidding.
As the consultants at FiduciaryPath recently put it, a request for Information or Request for Proposal basically puts the different services – advisory, administration, record keeping, custody of assets, investment managers and perhaps more – "on notice to sharpen their pencils and provide their best bid to get the job providing the services."
Edward Lynch, the founder and CEO of Fiduciary Plan Governance, said this approach is "so impactful" that he has seen plan costs drop by two-thirds in some cases.
And that, of course, leaves more money in participants' retirement accounts.
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Sunday, January 20
Bam! Snickers Cookies
Except for Snickers. I loved Snickers.
Something about the mix of sweet chocolate, sticky caramel, dense peanut butter nougat, and crunchy peanuts made me swoon. I still remember the house at 101 Pinewood Drive in our neighborhood that gave out the king size Snickers bars to every kid who came by on Halloween.
Bam! That big bar would hit the bottom of your plastic pumpkin. Then you'd have to center it, otherwise your pumpkin would lilt for the rest of the night. After you hit that house, it didn't matter how many Dum Dums or Tootsie Rolls you got. You had scored.
I'm not alone in my Snickers love. According to Wikipedia, "Snickers is the best selling candy bar of all time and has annual global sales of US $2 billion."
Well, they haven't made any money off of me in the last 15 years or so, which is the last time I had a Snickers bar. That is, until this past Saturday when I made Michelle's Snickers Cookies.
I needed a kid-loving cookie and figured Michelle (a mom of four) would know best. She does. When I took the first bite of a warm Snickers cookie, I audibly sighed. They're sweet and rich and studded with chewy melted Snickers chunks.
It brought me right back to my Wonder Woman costume and to 101 Pinewood Dr.
These are too good not to share, so I'm submitting them to Candyrecapper, who has chosen candy as this month's theme for Sugar High Friday.
Snickers Cookies
Makes about 35 cookies.
Print recipe only here.
½ cup sugar
½ cup brown sugar
½ cup butter
½ cup peanut butter
2 eggs
1 teaspoon pure vanilla extract
1 ½ cup flour
½ teaspoon baking powder
½ teaspoon baking soda
¼ teaspoon salt
1 1/2 king size Snickers bars or 9-10 fun size bars, chopped into small pieces
Preheat oven to 375 degrees F. Line two baking sheets with parchment paper.
Combine the first six ingredients, and mix well with a hand mixer. Add the dry ingredients through the salt, and mix until well blended. Stir in Snickers pieces.
Roll small balls of cookie dough in your hands. If the dough sticks to the palms of your hands, run them hands under a little warm water and continue. Place cookies about 2 inches apart since they spread while baking. Makes approximately 35 cookies.
Bake for 11-13 minutes, or until golden brown and slightly puffy. If baking two trays of cookies at the same time, rotate the pans midway through so they bake evenly.
You might also like:
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Other chocolate-y cookies I covet:
Chocolate Cookies with Peanut Butter Ribbons from Cookie Madness
Double Chocolate Cookies from Technicolor Kitchen
Sweet and Salty Chocolate Chunk Cookies from Bake or Break
Speaking of Wonder Woman, if you're not familiar with Michelle's blog Scribbit, then do yourself a favor and start visiting her. She is one the first bloggers I ever made contact with, and I've become a loyal reader.
She calls Scribbit her blog about "motherhood in Alaska," and says everything she needs to know she learned from motherhood. Even though I'm not a mother or from Alaska, I enjoy Michelle's writing. From heartwarming posts about the funny things her kids say to activites that encourage reading Michelle shows that she can handle all types of situations with grace, intellect, and humor.
You'll learn a lot about life in Alaska (sledding, anyone?) and can brighten Michelle's winter by submitting something to her Winter Bazaar. If you like to read and write, then check out her monthly Write-Away Contests and book reviews.
Finally, she's a blogger who always gives without expecting to receive -- consider her generous Saturday Give-Aways and her sage advice such as this fantastic post on the Five Things Every Blogger Should Know.
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56 comments:
Snickers + Cookies = melted snickers goodness surrounded by cookie crumbs?? I'm drooling....
That just won a Top Spot on my TO DO list! Thanks.
- January 20, 2008 at 6:06 PM
- Edi said...
Wow - I've never heard of a Snicker's cookie...but how could you go wrong...a cookie and a chocolate bar in one?!
Many years ago at a friends' house, my friend's mom was making some kind of cake that required a large amount of chocolate bars - Milky Way? perhaps...again how could you go wrong with that combination.
I too enjoy Scribbits blog...
- January 20, 2008 at 6:26 PM
- Abby said...
One of my fave things to eat is a Snickers and a glass of orange juice. I know, strange, yet totally makes sense. Right?
Those cookies look divine. Hope you're well! I'm trying to get "out and about" more these days.
- January 20, 2008 at 7:18 PM
- Sharon said...
My husband's birthday is Thursday and he is a BIG Snickers fan. This recipe may be just the thing...
- January 20, 2008 at 7:20 PM
- daphne said...
oh my goodness..that's a great treat! I'm a big fan of snickers too!
- January 20, 2008 at 7:27 PM
- Manggy said...
Wow, that's so decadent! :) I especially love the shot where the caramel gets all stretchy. It's a great way to get rid of all these candy bars in the fridge! (Well, I could eat them straight away, but I would become morbidly obese)
- January 20, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Snickers cookies! Wow what a great idea!
You have one creative and amazing mind!!!!
Do you know if it works with Milky Way or Mars?!
- January 21, 2008 at 2:17 AM
- Deeba PAB said...
Great idea & lovely post Susan. Made fun reading...Off to visit Michelle's blog! LOL
- January 21, 2008 at 2:48 AM
- Peter M said...
Snickers are still one of my fave candy bars.
- January 21, 2008 at 4:04 AM
Never ate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches as a kid either but that was because we never had peanut butter ;)
Even though Snickers is not my favorite candy bar, it is a very tempting recipe...
- January 21, 2008 at 4:06 AM
- Finla said...
Thankgod i don't have snickers at them moment in my place. Otherwise i would have grabed one and ate them after seeing that picture ;-))))
- January 21, 2008 at 4:23 AM
- Mike of Mike's Table said...
Sounds delicious. Snickers were always high ranking in my candy food chain as well, right up there with Reeses Peanutbutter Cups and Cadbury Cream Eggs... *drool*
- January 21, 2008 at 4:34 AM
- Meeta K. Wolff said...
Oh yeah I wnat one of those huge snicker bars now too. But a few of your aesome looking cookies would do it for me!!
- January 21, 2008 at 4:36 AM
- Lydia (The Perfect Pantry) said...
Great cookies! And thanks for introducing us to Michelle's blog -- I'm off to visit now.
- January 21, 2008 at 5:04 AM
- Rosa's Yummy Yums said...
Mouthwatering cookies! Snicker bars were always my favorite candies... Really tempting!
- January 21, 2008 at 5:40 AM
- Unknown said...
These look yummy! I've always loved snickers, but I had no idea they were so popular. If asked to guess, I would probably have picked Mars as most popular (I don't like them, but everyone else seems to). Of course, it's only recently I finally gave in and started calling them snickers. Growing up in the UK they were called Marathons. The name changed at least a decade ago, but many of us diehards still stubbornly use the old name ;)
- January 21, 2008 at 6:01 AM
- Patricia Scarpin said...
Oh, Susan... These are to die for!!
I'm bookmarking the recipe - I'll bake these next time my sister comes to my house.
- January 21, 2008 at 8:01 AM
Talk about naughty but nice!
I'm with Sarah, I still can't get used to not calling them marathons
- January 21, 2008 at 8:18 AM
- Scribbit said...
Oh you're so sweet! Thanks for such nice words--don't tell anyone I'm still lounging in bed, blogging away while I sent the kids to get their own breakfast this morning--so much for super mom :)
Those cookies really are great, my college room mate and I used to make up a plate whenever we were trying to impress a guy, they worked like magic. A suggestion? They're best warm so if they've cooled, nuke them for a couple seconds and get out the milk.
My kids like eating them on a popsicle stick--just insert one before baking.
- January 21, 2008 at 9:29 AM
- MeloMeals said...
Wow... talk about decadent! It's a good thing I am not into baking, because these sound and look delicious!
- January 21, 2008 at 9:39 AM
- Elly said...
oh, wow. and yum. and that is about all i can muster to say after looking at those glorious cookies :)
- January 21, 2008 at 10:23 AM
- Namratha said...
This is fabulous Susan, makes me want to try it right away. I know what I'm buying when I am the store next time :) The bit about "centering the snickers in the pumpkin" made me laugh! :D Good one!
- January 21, 2008 at 10:34 AM
- Le Flâneur Novice said...
Snickers??? It is the second name of seduction to me!
I can be persuaded to do many things for a bar of Snickers, and anything for a bar of dark chocolate! lol
This must be a real hit piece of the recipes recently to me!
I've just finished the half batch of my St Clements muffins! Should I have a try of this?God! In the middle of my diet this is just a torture :)))))))))))))
- January 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM
- Mansi said...
Hmm...I'm really not a snickers fan, mainly because of the sticky caramel:) but looks like your cookies wouldn't have that, and after such a fab review, I can definitely give these a try!!:D
btw, that was nice the way you introduced Michelle to us..I'm hopping over to Scribbit right now:)
- January 21, 2008 at 4:37 PM
- Susan from Food Blogga said...
zen-Drool, eat cookies, drink milk. That's pretty much how it goes.
edi-You're right. How can you go wrong with that combination?
sharon- Happy Birthday to him!
abby-Glad to see you again!
daphne-It really was a treat.
manggy-Just have a couple, then run on the treadmill. ;)
maytal-I'm sure it would work with other candy too. If you try it, let me know.
deeba-I know you'll love her blog.
peter-I liked the cookies even better.
linda-You might like the cookies better. I did!
happy cook-Seriously! ;)
mike-Reese's I loved, Cadbury eggs were always Jeff's favorite.
meeta-Be sure to have a glass of milk ready!
lydia-You'll love it!
rosa-Aren't they so good?
sarah-I never knew they were called Marathons. How funny.
patricia-She'll love you for it!
sophie-This is news to me!
michelle-Aw, that's alright. You're teaching them independence. ;)
melody-These could get you into baking!
elly-That's all you need to say!
namratha-Glad you liked it. :)
bal-This is definitely not diet food, but they're oh-so-good.
- January 21, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Sister? What are doing to me with these cookies on your site? I'm trying to lose a few pounds in the new year!
(scribbit is wonderful)
- January 21, 2008 at 6:10 PM
- Elle said...
Not only is this recipe wicked and delicious sounding, but I love that you've given alternative cookie recipes and told about Michelle at Scribbit. Great post!
- January 21, 2008 at 6:12 PM
- Cakespy said...
Dude. My dad always TOOK our snickers after halloween! No, not because they had razors in them, but because he wanted to stuff his face with them! I will have the last laugh with these cookies though!
- January 21, 2008 at 6:51 PM
- Cate said...
Ok, nearly 11 at night and I have Snickers Cookies on my mind. Think this might be the next baking project for me and my son.
- January 21, 2008 at 7:47 PM
- Brilynn said...
I used to like Mars bars better than Snickers, but my tastes have since changed. Now it's a toss up between the two. But if you put them in a cookie, the scales tip to the Snickers end!
- January 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM
- Nic said...
I'm another one that still calls them 'Marathons'! Nice cookies - they look really gooey, yum!
- January 22, 2008 at 1:31 AM
- Asha said...
You are almost like me (made my bed, loved decorating) except I didn't love chocolate at all and I still don't. I always asked my dad to bring me books instead of Chocolate!;D
My kids however devour chocolates and candy, inherited that from their dad! Cookies look plump and gooey, great recipe!:)
- January 22, 2008 at 4:31 AM
- Susan from Food Blogga said...
maryann-Aw, just spend an extra 15 minutes on the elliptical. ;)
elle-"wicked and delicious"-- I love that!
cakespy-That's hysterical!
cate-I'm sure he would love them!
brilynn-They're even better in the cookies, I swear.
nicisme-Gooey cookies are always worth the calories.
asha-Books instead of chocolate? You must have been a dream child. :)
- January 22, 2008 at 5:29 AM
- T.W. Barritt at Culinary Types said...
Susan, I can just see you with the tiara and the golden lasso, and Paradise Island is a place where they never run out of Snickers Cookies!
- January 22, 2008 at 5:48 AM
- Cris said...
Hi Susan! Love snickers but never had cookies made of them, sounds delicious!
- January 22, 2008 at 6:36 AM
- Andrea said...
Oh, these sound really good!
- January 22, 2008 at 8:40 AM
- Katy said...
oh my gosh. next you'll be making candy corn cookies. i was never that into the chocolate-covered candy bars when i was little, but i've since realized the error of my ways. sometimes i get snickers bars for the extra protein from the peanuts. then i think to myself, um, seriously?!?
- January 22, 2008 at 9:09 AM
- aminah said...
I've just made these for my kids...and well there goes my diet...what a great blog!
- January 22, 2008 at 9:54 AM
- Lydia said...
so sorry about the chargers lost,...i was sad. wait, but maybe you were cheering for the pats. well, congrats then, maybe, too :)
- January 22, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Snickers cookies sound great, but what about TWIX cookies - now that would be my personal favorite :)
- January 22, 2008 at 10:49 AM
- Farmgirl Susan said...
I can't believe you went 15 years without a Snickers bar. I've decided that the only possible explanation (because nobody who liked Snickers that much as a kid simply gives them up cold turkey) is that you are actually now a pod person. I think I should tell Jeff. And your parents. And maybe those people on X-Files. This is pretty serious.
- January 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM
- Heather said...
As far as I'm concerned, Snickers qualifies as a meal, as it contains protein in the forms of nuts and nougat. Perfectly legit!
I'm enjoying your blog very much. Pleased to make your acquaintance!
- January 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM
FIFTEEN years, Susan? You're a stronger woman than I! They look amazingly delicious!
- January 22, 2008 at 4:55 PM
- Emily said...
The cookies look scrumptious; nice and big and sturdy.
Who doesn't love Snickers? It really is the perfect candybar. Although, Butterfingers are pretty good, too.
- January 22, 2008 at 7:38 PM
- Annemarie said...
Oooh..mmmm. Great sounding cookie, and I'm there with you on the snickers. The only chocolate I possibly like more is Baby Ruth, mainly because that's a Snickers cranked up to 11.
- January 23, 2008 at 5:13 AM
- Oh for the love of food! said...
Whoa! Susan! these cookies look amazing! My girls would absolutely love to have these in their school lunch box. You've definitely posted this recipe at the right time!
- January 23, 2008 at 9:09 AM
- Susan said...
I like Snickers, too, but am hard pressed to distinguish them from some other candy bars; so many of them are chocolate, caramel & peanuts w/ or w/out nougat. I think Mars has the monopoly on them, too.
Great use in a baked sweet, Susan!
- January 23, 2008 at 3:45 PM
- Chris said...
cookies and candy bars together? Right on!
- January 23, 2008 at 7:18 PM
- Rachel said...
What a combo..The sticky caramel of the snickers is just unexplainable
- January 23, 2008 at 9:08 PM
- Katie Zeller said...
It's a real toss up for me: hand-made Belgian chocolate or a Snickers! Any other candy bar...forget it!
- January 24, 2008 at 12:32 PM
- Susan from Food Blogga said...
tw-Ooh, if I could only get my hands on a tiara now....
cris-You should try them!
andrea-They really are!
katy-Hey, if it lessens your guilt, then it's good.
aminah-I hope they liked them!
hillary-I forgot all about Twix. That's a blast from the past.
lydia-I was rooting for the Pats, so yey!
susan-So, that's what it was. You can tell Jeff, just not the parents. I don't think they'd handle it too well.
heather-Does that mean it can be eaten for breakfast?
culinography-It sounds weird, but after a while, you lose your craving for them.
emiline-Oh, yeah, Butterfingers were good too, huh?
annmarie-I forgot all about baby ruths. Oh, those were incredible!
carol-They'd have fun making them too.
susan-I don't really remember Mars. Maybe I should reacquaint myself. ;)
chris-I know!
katiez-I would have said, forget the Snickers and go with the hand-made Belgian chocolate!
- January 26, 2008 at 5:44 AM
I am going to have to make these for my husband. He LOVES Snickers! What a great idea for a cookie.
- January 27, 2008 at 8:52 PM
I may be one of the few people on the planet who doesn't love a Snickers bar, but I definitely agree with you about Michelle and her blog! She's amazing.
- January 27, 2008 at 9:34 PM
- Allen said...
Look good -- it'll be tough to sacrifice a Snicker's bar, but these cookies seem to be a worthy cause. I too had a home in the neighborhood with the big sized bars, but unfortunately my mother never allowed me a Wonder Woman costume *sigh*. Thanks for sharing this recipe!
- February 1, 2008 at 5:43 PM
I don't know how I missed this post when you published it (found it via the round-up this morning)... but here is another friend we have in common. I adore Snickers. Your cookies are to die for.
- February 2, 2008 at 5:30 AM
- Jaime said...
i haven't checked to see, but i have a very similar recipe in my blog and you are right - they are so good!
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Posted: Wed 25 Nov 2009, 19:20
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ha if it wold work on old hardware this would be great.i love my peforma.
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Posted: Tue 01 Dec 2009, 01:19
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Woah, I didn't realize that there were new posts!
Thought I had it setup to notify me. (Wish the forum would get updated. I could even help with that.
But anyway, thanks for all your encouragement.
mmmrr wrote:
i could not find a link to yr pup at that moment.
You can find the latest beta iso here.
MacPuppy wrote:
How long until there's an usable bootable image?
Unfortunately I don't really know. At the moment I'm the only one working on PowerPup. And I'm learning Linux, programming, etc, as I go. So there isn't a deadline or anything.
Tester wrote:
ha if it wold work on old hardware this would be great.i love my peforma.
Actually, I'm watching the
Nubus Kernel Project
very closely. I'm even helping out with testing on my old hardware. Once they have a stable 2.6 kernel out. PowerPup on Old World Macs will be possible.
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SWFDEC, maybe another possibility? Though I'm not any where near skilled to help develop it for PowerPup (sorry)
Hm.. Pretty interesting.
I'll look into it (As well as Gnash,) when the time for flash comes. (Right now it's getting a desktop environment.)
Now for an update on my progress:
I haven't touched PowerPup during the summer. (My summer job took care of that.
) But now that summer is over.... It's back to my schooling.
But I am starting work on my project again.
One of the things I was looking was a small x server or the source of a stripped version.
But what I have found is
Much simpler than having a server-client method. Not many people have more than one terminal running at one time anyway. I've seen a couple of topics here about MicroXwin. But nothing for Puppy really came out of them.. (Sort of...)
I'm also gonna try out the latest version of busybox.
Puppy on!
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Posted: Tue 01 Dec 2009, 17:05
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PowerPup wrote:
MacPuppy wrote:
How long until there's an usable bootable image?
Unfortunately I don't really know. At the moment I'm the only one working on PowerPup. And I'm learning Linux, programming, etc, as I go. So there isn't a deadline or anything.
See Joe's Slaxer thread
Aitch wrote:
amigo wrote:
I have an iMac, so I'll probably run off a ppc port first
Can you let PowerPup know in this thread, when you've done it....I'll be interested too if it'll work on a G3?
thanks, both
amigo wrote:
Aitch, when I get something working for PPC, I'll pass along the tip in that thread.
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Posted: Tue 01 Dec 2009, 17:21
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Thanks Aitch!
I really do appreciate all the effort you're doing to help me.
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Posted: Tue 01 Dec 2009, 20:46
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Aw c'mon....
Just a bit of friendly encouragement....
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Posted: Sun 06 Dec 2009, 20:36
Post subject: Debian PPC packages
Subject description: Debian PPC w/LXDE desktop works fine on iMac G3
I have successfully installed Debian Lenny w/LXDE desktop and Openbox wm on several iMac G3s and it works well. With a special workaround I also have Iceweasel 3.5 and it works fine (Rebranded Firefox.) I had to choose gnash over SWFDEC for flash as SWFDEC puts a big play button on each flash object and will not commence until the user presses on it (which was a deal breaker.) However, with gnash on these old slow G3s, it will not play a youtube video in a watchable fashion.
To speed development, (and IANAD) I wonder if it would be possible to take the debian packages (including the kernel) and repackage them for this custom puplet. It seems to me that a principle about open source is to stand on the shoulders of others who have already done the work (to avoid continually reinventing the wheel.)
Just a thought and wanted you to know that someone else (with about 20 iMac G3s is following the development of this project.)
Kind Regards
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Posted: Sun 06 Dec 2009, 21:33
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Thanks stlouisubntu.
While the idea for taking debian packages (or slackintosh) and repackaging them would be good for making pet packages. (As there are none for PPC yet.
) It wouldn't really work for developing the core system of PowerPup. Actually that's the idea of Barry's woof scripts, taking pre-compiled packages from famous distros and building a puplet out of them.
If a custom distro script (direct woof to PPC debian or slackintosh packages) would be made for woof. The idea of repackaging might work. But some packages are modified for Puppy Linux, I would have to find their sources and compile them as well.
However, Barry updated his page on the
T2 method
(puppy from source,) recently.
I'm going to take a look into that and see if I can make something from it. (Much easier to have scripts do everything for you, than trying to learn it all yourself.
Edit: Ah, the update describes how to use T2 sources to make binary packages, which would be used in woof. At least it's more automated.
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Location: Central Michigan, US
Posted: Mon 07 Dec 2009, 00:23
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PowerPup; 2 Things... No 3 really, the first being... hang in there buddy , we're rootin' for ya!
I did not know anyone was still working on the nubus project. Could you drop me a PM w/ details and or links, as I have plenty of "development" machines for that project!
Also... The Finnix "thing" kinda looks like it is closer to the Puppy concept as far as I can tell. Did you look at it?
Darn... one more thing.. I would not loose alot of sleep over the "Old World" Development, as I believe that once you get it going.. all one should have to do is "transplant" an older kernel, as there is Not a bootloader for old world Mac's anyway!
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Posted: Mon 07 Dec 2009, 01:16
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Don't worry racepres,
I'm not loosing sleep over "Old World" Development.
I'm just watching with anticipation.
I have looked at Finnix, while it's closer to the Puppy concept than most over distros, It's different enough that it would be very difficult to make some sort of puplet out of it, due to my still limited knowledge and skill in Linux.
(Plus just time consuming.)
BTW, PM sent.
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Posted: Wed 09 Dec 2009, 09:18
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I've been completely hooked on Puppy since 2.16, and I think this is what I would call a golden opportunity.
I'll share.
This friend of mine gave me a PowerPC G4 a couple months ago. He moved a couple weeks ago, and now I finally get around to setting it up.
I haven't given Macintosh a second thought since I got out of school way back when. This particular machine is a dual 1.47 GHz. As far as I can tell, it was the kind of computer you show off to envious neighbors.
Fortunately, I was genuinely clueless until yesterday how phenomenal this thing really is. Because if I had known earlier, he probably would have held on to it. And THEN I wouldn't get this chance now to possibly try and repay the favor to everyone who makes Puppy Linux so freaking amazing.
I'm not too skillful yet with programming/developing, but lately I've been searching for some excuse to really get started.
So, my hat goes off to PowerPup for getting this ball rolling. I'll keep you guys posted. And, I'd imagine I'll probably have a few questions.
Sooner than later,
this sentence is false.
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Posted: Sun 13 Dec 2009, 16:33
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Good excuse to show us a dual boot setup since Tiger [10.4.11] runs like a maniac on that G4! Heck unix is unix in this case!!!
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Posted: Tue 15 Dec 2009, 08:00
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Thought I'd give an update.
Well, I started messing with the T2 sources and scripts. Following Barry's steps, but I guess I was doing a little too much at one time or something because my Mac froze!
No response from the mouse or keyboard! So I pressed reset and let it boot Mac OS X, it's the default. And decided since it was late I'd hit the sack and get a fresh start in the morning.
When Morning came I booted my PowerMac G4 into Slackintosh and...... It wouldn't detect my Mac OS X hard drive or my linux storage drive! I needed to access to the storage drive because that's where I had all the T2 stuff. Apparently when it froze it messed something up in Slackintosh.
So Today I've been trying other Linux OSes for my Mac. Since Slackintosh is a bit out-dated. But as I've been reading Barry's instructions for T2 and Woof. I might need to use a PC somewhere along the way. Barry recommends using Puppy Linux for Woof because Puppy Linux has all the necessary utilities and such. So I either need to do it all on a PC running Puppy Linux, or just the Woof part.
Anyway, having fun messing with Linux on my Mac, but I definitely won't be using an ubuntu based OS as my main Linux OS, for Mac or PC. Waaaayyyyy to restrictive!
Trying Xubnutu at the moment. Gonna try Fedora next, maybe even ArchLinux. If I can't find anything I like I'll just reinstall Slackintosh.
Probably time for an update to the PowerPup site too. Mostly because I feel like it.
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Posts: 54
Location: US
Posted: Tue 15 Dec 2009, 13:19
Post subject: lenny live ppc
Subject description: try this
try this lenny live cd for ppc, I'm willing to bet it 'll be better than any flavor of ubuntu and can be modded to run a lightweight desktop.
from these guys:
Thx for the update btw. I have wanted to see a puppy for mac for a long time, but I understand Mac ppc is very complex in all its various machinations. I had watched and played with linux nubus based on sarge but it was always too slow, as was the progress made on it. It is good to see that nerw developers have joined their team recently and that things are progressing once again.
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Posted: Wed 16 Dec 2009, 18:32
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Thanks vito. I'll try it out.... Ugh, that make two distros I know that have smaller than DVD but larger than CD isos. That live CD is about 810MB, That's less than 1/4 of a DVD, and the ubuntu 9.10 PPC CD is about the same.
I'm aware that there are 90min CD-Rs out there, but not every store has those.
Seems like a waste of a DVD-R. Oh well.
The macs that these distro supports usually have DVD drives anyway.
Speaking of Debian Lenny and nubus macs, They've recently had success of installing Debian Lenny on a couple PowerBook 1400s. I'm not a developer for the nubus project, just a beta tester.
They have to write drivers from scratch. Hence why development is slow, not every one knows how to do that. Like me.
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Posted: Wed 16 Dec 2009, 19:47
Post subject: nubus macs
Subject description: slow
Lenny on a 1400? That must move like a snail thru jello.
Now, if you could get some version of Woof or Quirky running on a 1400, that might save it from being regulated to use as a paperweight or doorstop. (thats even with the Sonnet upgrade.)
Frankly, not being adeveloper myself, it is hard to see why more people haven't been involved in porting puppy to ppc, arm, iphone etc. The Lenny DVD ? Yea, I don't know why it could not have been smaller or if not why a few more apps could not have been added. But I am grateful the work that these guys have done in perfecting this brand of linux.
However, I like BK's idea of a minimalistic functional esthetically appealing gui'd linux. Starting with the lean OS and then adding what ever one might like at a later time via pet or modding of the same.
Kudos to the nubus folks on the progress that they have made, I just felt like if I had stayed in that venue I would have to wait a long time or become a developer, that I am not.
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1998 was a big year for MSGL because we announced our expansion so we received lots of media coverage. This week's Wayback Wednesday post features another story from the Lafayette Journal and Courier. On July 7th, a story about our summer camp cooking class filled the 4 Kidz Only page. (I love that the J&C embraced phonetic spelling!)
The photos are beautiful and the children's quotes, especially about date math, are really sweet.
Featured teacher, Revati Nemani is still with MSGL today in the Catalpa class. The children featured in this article are now in college. Are any of them studying to be chefs? We would love to know. If you know Alie Magnante, Daniel Plesniak, Asher Bogdanove, or Andrew Staiger, please pass this along. It would be great to hear from them.
And maybe you and your young ones will give one of these recipes a go? We would love to hear about that, too.


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Circa 1920
A petite cylindrical lantern of dark brass and amber pebble glass.
Ready to ship.
Current height: 32-3/4"
Minimum height: 16-3/4"
Overall: 6" diameter
Single Edison socket, maximum 100 watts
Dry or damp UL listing available, please contact your salesperson for pricing.
1 fixture total available.
On display at our 28th Street showroom.


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All living things need water.
It quivers at the end of a leaf in the Amazon. Rushes thousands of miles to the Gulf of Mexico. Tumbles from the sky above the Serengeti. Sits heavy and quiet at the frozen poles. Water is the blood of the biosphere—the affinity between hydrogen and oxygen that makes the Earth, as we know it, possible.
But like the rest of the planet, it's finite. And that means it's valuable—and worth celebrating. As we come to terms with advancing deserts and drying aquifers, it's time we fell in love with the simple bundle of atoms that makes the world possible.


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|Two-component system - Methylobacterium sp. 17Sr1-43
|Two-component signal transduction systems enable bacteria to sense, respond, and adapt to changes in their environment or in their intracellular state. Each two-component system consists of a sensor protein-histidine kinase (HK) and a response regulator (RR). In the prototypical two-component pathway, the sensor HK phosphorylates its own conserved His residue in response to a signal(s) in the environment. Subsequently, the phosphoryl group of HK is transferred onto a specific Asp residue on the RR. The activated RR can then effect changes in cellular physiology, often by regulating gene expression. Two-component pathways thus often enable cells to sense and respond to stimuli by inducing changes in transcription.