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Sunday, November 11, 2007
TV Networks Would Love The Banquets In Las Vegas
As we get down to the end of the season, one question keeps popping-up in The Daly Planet email over-and-over again. What happened to the three Championship Banquets?
How did things get this way? The Cup gang parades to New York City, where absolutely no one cares about NASCAR and the sting of Staten Island overwhelmingly rejecting a new track is still fresh in the minds of NASCAR fans.
The Busch Series drives up the road from Homestead to the Portofino Hotel in Orlando to have a banquet among the Universal Orlando theme park tourists covered in sun block and toting handi-cams.
Finally, the poor Truck Series gets to swing-by the Hard Rock Hotel in Hollywood, Florida and gamble with the Seminole Indians while they hold their banquet in a big conference room next to the highway.
Think about that one. The best series by far this season has been the Trucks. Ron Hornaday, Mike Skinner, Jack Sprague, Mike Bliss, Rick Crawford and tons of Cup drivers like Mark Martin, Ken Schrader, Kyle Busch, and Kevin Harvick have made this season an absolute blast. Now, their reward is a non-televised banquet in a conference room at the infamous Anna Nicole Smith hotel.
Has anybody out there ever been to Las Vegas? I have. Has anybody been to a big conference or function in Las Vegas? I have. Does anybody know that Las Vegas has over one hundred and forty thousand hotel rooms? I do. Does anyone think that drivers and teams would like to jump on a plane, go to Las Vegas, and have a couple of days of banquets and functions for all three national touring series of NASCAR? I certainly do.
While Charlotte, NC is absolutely the right choice for the NASCAR Hall of Fame, it should not even be in the running for the year-end banquets for all three series. There is only one choice of a city that can work to get prepared, handle the fun and chaos of both the NASCAR teams and the NASCAR fans, and then send them home happy. That choice is Las Vegas.
When TV viewers watch the CMA Awards, the Emmy Awards, and even the MTV Music Awards, they tune-in to see a variety of things happen. First, they like to see people out of their normal environment. Second, they like to see the fashion and styles of the day reflected on these high-profile individuals. Finally, they want to see how they interact with each other to get a better feeling about who these people really are.
Television and the Internet can absolutely be the driving forces behind a Las Vegas "NASCAR fan fest" that could easily become one of the hottest tourist weeks that city has ever seen. By allowing the NASCAR television partners to become part of this effort, the sport could finally salvage this part of the season which has become a complete mess.
The best part of putting all three banquets in Las Vegas at the same time would be to allow the drivers who have raced in more than one series to participate in the year-end functions for those series. Simply by being in the same place, at the same time, there would be a synergy for fans and sponsors that simply does not exist at the Hard Rock Hotel in Florida by the highway.
Las Vegas has outstanding TV, Radio, and Internet facilities for getting this multi-day experience out to the public and making them a part of it. Finally, there would be an "investment" in the fans from a sport with four dollar bottled water and six dollar hamburgers.
By making a commitment to Las Vegas right now for 2008, it would allow a professional team of planners to get busy. The TV networks, the other NASCAR media partners, the team sponsors, and the sanctioning body would finally have a group of professionals that could cap-off the season in style and on live national television.
The single issue standing in the way is NASCAR. This banquet has long been kept under control by NASCAR VP Jim Hunter and his staff in exactly the same way then run the Infield Media Center at the tracks. Everything is credentialed, planned, and the "media leash" is kept nice and tight.
Now that NASCAR veteran Paul Brooks has been appointed to head the new NASCAR Media Group, his department can take the three banquets and treat them like the wonderful opportunity for additional exposure for the sport that they always should have been. The resources that Las Vegas can bring to the table can just put that over the top.
By coordinating the TV networks, NASCAR Images, NASCAR Digital Entertainment and the many NASCAR sponsors, this Las Vegas project could grow into something that becomes just as much of a landmark on the NASCAR scene as the Daytona 500.
Imagine the musical acts and artists associated with NASCAR who would come to play this "gig." Imagine the hundreds of transporters and race cars stretched out at the Convention Center. Imagine the fun of being in a place where TV shows were everywhere and they wanted to you participate. Imagine having fun again with NASCAR and ending the season on a high note.
Right before the weary teams go on vacation, a coordinated opportunity to see everyone in the sport one last time before the break would be fantastic. In one place, over just a couple of days, all the end-of-season business would be done and the closing bell would sound officially on ten months of racing.
As a NASCAR fan who has been put-off by the high cost of hotel rooms, skyrocketing race ticket prices, and huge crowds of "party fans" at the tracks, I would welcome an opportunity to combine a Las Vegas vacation with the ability to attend fun and casual functions unique to the "NASCAR Week In Las Vegas."
The time is right now to make a change. The best place to announce this change would be Homestead, while all the NASCAR media is still assembled. Before we see the cold drivers parading once again in the snowy streets of NYC while confused commuters scramble for their subways, it would be nice to know this time in New York is going to be the last.
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44 comments:
- elena said...
JD, great assessment. For me, the 2 most important include the weather, and the money. New York in winter is horrible. And I think that makes the people a little cranky. My daughter lived in NY for many years, and they hated anytime there were interuptions to their commutes. She hated NASCAR. Las Vegas was built for conventions. They are really set up for it.
I vacation in Las Vegas in winter. Everyone seems to be in a good mood. It would be great to have it there.
- November 11, 2007 at 10:59 AM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
The boys from SPEED just dropped-by to remind me they will once again televise the Truck Series banquet. I will have details on the banquet TV in a mid-week post, or you can check Jayski.com.
- November 11, 2007 at 12:21 PM
- Kevin in SoCal said...
I completely agree, John. I have watched Championship Week and the Cup Banquets the last few years. During the week, the local New York shows usually promote having the NASCAR drivers and/or the cars on their shows. Last year, I recorded a few of those shows. While watching them, it looked like the sport was completely out of place. I had to fast-forward thru 15-30 minutes of show to get the 30 to 60 seconds of NASCAR coverage. After promoting NASCAR in commercials for the shows, they treated them as an afterthought during the show. For as much as I hate it when people say California sucks, New York truely sucks when it comes to NASCAR. Bring the banquets to Las Vegas where its warmer, and the city is set up to handle a party atmosphere and the locals actually enjoy the sport.
- November 11, 2007 at 12:27 PM
- Anonymous said...
Having the banquet in Las Vegas would be great for fans who could attend a much expanded slate of events surrounding the banquet. It's also a great idea to put all the banquets together in one place. (I'm still very much not in favor of fans attending the Cup awards banquet; I don't think any champion or top 10 driver should have to worry about being booed or jeered by some fans - and you know some would do it - in such an atmosphere.)
The issue I see with having the banquet in Las Vegas is TV coverage of champions week. While the awards shows you mention have enough clout to cause national news and entertainment TV crews to fly to whatever city they originate from and give them extensive coverage, I don't think the NASCAR year-end awards have nearly the same clout or viewer interest to get those shows to send TV crews. The CMAs last Wednesday had 16 million viewers.(Closest sports comparison: The ESPYs get about 3.5-4 million viewers on first broadcast and I don't know that NASCAR by itself could come close to that.)
So the interviews/coverage that are done live by the national media in NYC will end up being done by satellite(if they're done at all; the programs might not be interested if the drivers aren't in NYC.) Some will suggest the drivers can fly to LA to do interviews there - and that's not a bad suggestion, but that's also somewhat of a hardship on them with the extra commute to do LA publicity and LV publicity during that week. The LA market broadcasters are probably even more ignorant of NASCAR than those in NYC.
Las Vegas would be great for the fans, but for TV, I just don't think the banquet itself or the week would garner much national coverage. If NASCAR decides not to worry about the TV coverage (which may not be a bad idea) and focus on making it an event for visiting fans (similar to the CMA FanFest in its heyday) I could see that being successful. Otherwise, I don't.
- November 11, 2007 at 12:34 PM
- Newracefan said...
Nascar would lose the few minutes on shows like the Today etc (I taped it last year) by going to Vegas but if they were hoping to attract new fans with these shows Nascar is dreaming. They are better off giving the banquets to the current fans and if they attract top acts new fans would be tempted to watch. More importantly better acts would make it easier to have these banquets televised at a decent hour with better coverage. Right now they are boring but I still watch, I like to see these guys as people with their wives/ girlfriends etc. I also think it's terrible the the team is seated in the nose bleed section or even another room that is just wrong. I bet Vegas would have a venue that could accommadate everyone and not have the team be such an after thought
- November 11, 2007 at 12:41 PM
- slithybill said...
Last year weren't the Busch and Truck banquets held over the same weekend at Disney World? I seem to recall they stayed at the Grand Floridian.
Kind of ironic that this year they moved the Busch banquet to Universal, which owns NBC.
It definitely makes sense to have all three banquets in the same place over the same weekend. They could alternate between Vegas, Disney and NY. And NASCAR could sell, or auction for charity, tickets for fans.
- November 11, 2007 at 1:02 PM
- Anonymous said...
This is a great idea. I was at a convention at Ceasers in September, and loved everything about it.
New York in the winter-who does not worry about travel problems with snow and ice going there?
I don't know if having the banquet in Vegas would make me watch anymore of it, but I think the teams would love it. I used to hear the drivers saying their wives loved to go to NYC for the shopping-but that was 15-20 years ago. Now some of the drivers have condos there.
I was visiting NYC in the late 80's and I did not know the banquet was going on, until I walked into (the old, nasty) Times Square and saw a race car. I did not take a photo and don't recall whose it was, but it attracted no attention. On the same trip I think it was Macy's I was in, and saw Robert Yates in there. I knew one thing-I was probably the only person in the store who would have known who he was.
- November 11, 2007 at 1:03 PM
- Anonymous said...
I respectfully disagree with the opinion that NASCAR does not have the gravitas to make
the banquet a high profile media event. If promoted properly, a NASCAR Championship Week could rival Daytona Speed Week as a destination event. It would be even bigger if the Busch (Nationwide) Series and NCTS banquets were also included. Their banquets could be staggered throughout the week at the same facility. There is ALWAYS a busy convention taking place in Las Vegas somewhere, but rooms are still available.
I have attended World of Outlaw banquets at the Monte Carlo Hotel in Las Vegas. Many of the drivers, their team members, track promoters and their respective family members etc. were able to get attractive room rates at less high profile hotels. The banquet coincided with the last race of the season. Since the World of Outlaws finished their season at The Dirt Track at Lowes Motor Speedway this year, they had their festivities in Charlotte. Outlaw teams and drivers do not have the deeper pockets of NASCAR teams, so that makes financial sense for them. NASCAR schedules their banquets as separate events.
In my opinion, with the right broadcast partner, NASCAR could create a "must attend" tradition that would become an anticipated event for both teams and fans.
- November 11, 2007 at 1:21 PM
- Anonymous said...
Regarding the Cup Banquet:
1. - There would be anarchy if the banquet were ever opened to the fans! It's bad enough trying to get thru the Waldorf Lobby w/all the Gapers trying to get autographs, photos, etc., and there is no way to avoid them and no security to hold them back like at the Track.
2. - No one wants to go to the banquet to begin with. It is to the point that people fly in at the last possible moment, and fly out as soon as they can following the banquet.. usually Friday nite and at the latest the crack of dawn Sat morning.
3. - The banquet is too crowded, lousy food, and boils down to just another function having to deal w/sponsors and their whining wives.
People go to great lengths to sneak off and eat at a decent restaurant and/or order room service and watch the banquet on TV getting back downstairs in time to put in an appearance.
4. - Everyone is counting down the days until the season is over. People have plans and a long list of things that have been on the back burner waiting for Sunday nite at Homestead.
People either want to stay home or go off by themselves to a quiet place .. a place where they know no one and no one knows or cares about them.
5. - It is a mystery why the banquet is televised or why anyone would even watch it. Lousy speeches is about all you see.. actually it's about all there is to see.
- November 11, 2007 at 1:24 PM
- Anonymous said...
anonymous 1:24, good to hear your perpsective as it sounds like you've "been there".
anonymous 12:34 said: 'I'm still very much not in favor of fans attending the Cup awards banquet; I don't think any champion or top 10 driver should have to worry about being booed or jeered by some fans - and you know some would do it - in such an atmosphere.'
Agreed. I think many fans would boo the drivers,and also say "I paid for my ticket so I can do what I want", i.e., boo. Throw in all the (awesome) free drinks that Las Vegas casinos provide and which fans can partake in before the banquet? Disaster.
anonymous 12:34 also said: 'Las Vegas would be great for the fans, but for TV, I just don't think the banquet itself or the week would garner much national coverage.'
Also agreed. If they forget about TV coverage (other than SPEED or ESPN) and invite fans to a bunch of elaborate NASCAR events for the week - but not the banquet - it sounds like fun. A number of fans would probably attend.
- November 11, 2007 at 1:45 PM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
I think its important to remember that the current format of the banquet is not what we are talking about.
The concept is to create a media and fan friendly atmosphere that would ultimately result in a primetime program for all three series.
SPEED has the Trucks and the banquet, ESPN2 has the Busch Series and their banquet, and finally ESPN can decide where they want to place the NEXTEL (Sprint in 2008) banquet.
The final finished TV product could take on a totally different format, including edited portions recorded earlier and a good combination of entertainment and racing.
In the same way that NASCAR Images provides the basic TV platform for the networks that cover racing, they could provide the equipment and manpower for all three programs in Las Vegas.
Stepping away from the canned speeches and the controlled script reading by the sponsors, this function could take on more of an atmosphere of a recapping the season while talking with the drivers and personalities that provided the thrills.
The hardest thing in TV is to step way back and open-up to change. Otherwise, you wind-up with the situation that we now have at the end of the season.
- November 11, 2007 at 1:55 PM
- Anonymous said...
I think you overlook 2 points about NYC as the site. First, most of the sponsors of NASCAR are connected there thru Madision Avenue agencies. Second, the WIVES and Girlfriends LOVE the event being in Manhattan! Christmas, shopping etc.After the 11 months spent without a husband/boyfirend, this is a much needed and deserved reward for them. Vegas doesn't cut it on that front!
Make no mistake, the Banquet is NOT for the racers. Its for the sponsors and the media coverage-period. It was decent tv back when Lingner Group produced the event in the 80's and 90's. Its unwatchable now.
- November 11, 2007 at 2:37 PM
- Anonymous said...
daly planet editor said...
"When TV viewers watch the CMA Awards, the Emmy Awards, and even the MTV Music Awards, they tune-in to see a variety of things happen. First, they like to see people out of their normal environment. Second, they like to see the fashion and styles of the day reflected on these high-profile individuals. Finally, they want to see how they interact with each other to get a better feeling about who these people really are."
One problem for a primetime event might be that some of the best Cup drivers, even though high profile, absolutely hate being in the TV spotlight. Best example would be Matt Kenseth. He said on the banquet preshow last year he was told that he had to walk the red carpet instead of going around it, which he wanted to do. Since he was told to do so, he did it and he was professional, but that doesn't mean he liked it. His wife said the same thing, that she felt uncomfortable.
Also, while I as a viewer enjoy watching the wives and girlfriends on TV - in fairness they aren't celebrities and shouldn't be judged as fashion icons if they don't want to be. This leads to awkward moments like Tony Stewart's gal being asked who made her dress (she didn't know). Or Kim Burton being asked if her gorgeous dress (from a very prominent designer, whose name she knew) was a designer loan - the standard for celebrities. Kim, very sweetly, had to confess that no one had ever offered to loan her a designer dress. Some drivers and wives are comfortable with that type of atmosphere, some are not.
The other problem might be is entertainment. NASCAR fans are so far apart in tastes that I'm not sure you could get a number of musical acts for an awards show that wouldn't alienate one part of the audience or another. (Hint: If you they go country, they're going to have problems.)
- November 11, 2007 at 3:19 PM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
I think those points are very valid. But, when you play at this level you have to deal with some things that might not be totally comfortable.
If clothing is an issue, then maybe there might be a change from black tie. If the red carpet is an issue, then drop it just like SPEED did after their mess with Ms. Rivers.
What I am suggesting is to go through and solve these problems, go through and make these changes, and then try it one time in Vegas and see how it works.
- November 11, 2007 at 4:03 PM
- Anonymous said...
slithybill - Universal Studios is owned by GE and NBC-Univeral ...
CMA Awards had increased ratings BECAUSE of the high profile of people from American Idol in the ads & show ... Fickle teenyboppers watched it for the first time, but they most likely will NOT watch it next year if people like Carrie Underwood & Kellie Pickler are NOT nominated (Side note - Carrie should NOT have been nominated this year for work on an album that was nominated last year) ...
I get tired of Vegas and all that surrounds it ... Bruton wants the banquet ... Let Speed handle the banquet tv coverage ... The yellow carpet would've worked w/o Mikey & Melissa ... TNT royally screws up the banquets because they insist on Bill Weber ... Will Disney make us suffer through Musberger, Suzy & Brad?? IF that's true, I will not watch it ...
- November 11, 2007 at 4:20 PM
- Tripp said...
If there ever was a place that didn't care about NASCAR...
That would be the Big Apple. The last time they celebrated an event with any gusto was when a guy named Shepard rode in a big tin can waaaaaay up there.
Vegas is the ticket because that place knows how to do events. It has any type of venue NASCAR wants and will provide all the hype they want and more. There is no other place on the planet like it and geared for the "big show".
Even though the France family has more money than the average "banana republic", Vegas would be cheaper to do on a number of counts. Labor, hotels, parking, food... all cheaper. The hoopla/$ ratio is substantially higher in Vegas.
Finally, if NASCAR wants more Hollywood glitz, Vegas is the ticket. Get Kevin James, The Rock and anyone else with star power out there with a quick ride in a Lear. Who are you going to get in New York? Helen Mirren? I don't think so.
I say this with a very strong personal dislike for Vegas. I've been there for enough events and conventions to know that the only way I'll go there again is if motivated by someone with automatic weapons. I'd rather have a root canal without laughing gas. But... I would watch the banquets in Sin City on TV
- November 11, 2007 at 7:35 PM
- Vince said...
JD, I agree. I think that with a totally new format for the banquet and awards show, Vegas would be a perfect place. NY doesn't care about Nascar. The drivers don't really care for NY, I don't think. Their wives might because of the shopping, but that's it. The drivers and teams like Vegas. They are always excited to go there during the season, because of the "extracurricular activities". I think if done right it'd be a great choice. But they would have to completely redo the current format. I agree with a previous poster who said it was all for the sponsors. I think it should be for the fans. Vegas is big enough and used to events like this. They could make it fan friendly without having the fans intruding on the actual banquet. Anybody ever been to a Superbowl or lived in a Superbowl city? I lived in Tampa for years and they've had several Superbowls. The NFL always has a ton of fan friendly events going on in the area during Superbowl week. Nascar could get more involved with the fans along the same lines.
Nascar needs to do something. The current format is terrible. I don't live in NY, but I don't remember much in the way of fan friendly events there. The banquet itself seems uncomfortable for most involved. I'd like to see the drivers give a real speech with out all the endless sponsor promos. What's next? Tux's with sponsor logos on them?
Anyway, back on subject. I think it'd be worth a try to give Vegas a shot. Say have all the three series at Vegas for one week for the next three years and give them a shot.
- November 11, 2007 at 8:22 PM
- Sophia said...
Melissa Rivers was DREADFUL.
Was she the one Waltrip had to stand next to and LISTEN to her embarrassing questions or was that another girl Waltrip was with. Was he with Wendy? I cant remember who got stuck with Rivers but she was plain bad.
Rivers was wince worthy. Her nosy questions..she has no class. Just like her mother. That schtick was not conducive to NASCAR.
I don't know who they could ask this year to fit into the NASCAR mold and be classy in GREETING the drivers.
Hopefully, they will not do that insipid red carpet thing. That's no fun at today's Academy awards either. Years ago the actresses used to (gasp!) dress themselves and maybe wear Diamonds by Harry Winston.
We don't want NASCAR to become like that but the Driver awards show is a MUST MISS in my book. I watched last year and thought it dragged out over three hours...or maybe it was the year before i watched...Only because tony won.
New York in the winter? As appealing as cold, wet pajamas. ;-)
- November 11, 2007 at 8:28 PM
- slithybill said...
Anonymous said...
slithybill - Universal Studios is owned by GE and NBC-Univeral ...
Oops. Thanks for the correction.
I guess the point I was trying to make was that last year the Busch and Truck banquets were at an ABC-affiliated resort, and this year the Busch banquet is at an NBC-affiliated resort. If NASCAR is interested in improving the media exposure of the banquets, maybe they should work with their current broadcast partners. I'm sure ESPN Classic would devote more than one hour to the Busch banquet if they could show off the Disney resort at the same time. There's no way they'll show any of the non-banquet activities that take place at the Portofino Hotel or the Universal parks.
If the banquet was at Disney, ABC might get Regis and Kelly or The View or Good Morning America involved. Yes, I know they all film in NYC, but how involved will they be for Champions Week? Disney might give the drivers and their families additional TV time.
Does Disney (or Fox) have any corporate assets in Vegas? What about the major sponsors?
Also, doesn't NASCAR have some kind of a pre-season banquet in Daytona Beach as well? Nobody televises that. Shouldn't that be part of SPEED's Speedweeks coverage? I'm sure all attendees would hate that.
- November 11, 2007 at 9:50 PM
- Anonymous said...
I agree with anonymous@4:20 that the red/yellow carpet on Speed would have been fine if Melissa Rivers and Michael Waltrip hadn't been on the show. If they'd just had Wendy (and perhaps Krista Voda to assist),all would have been fine.
Melissa was the one who asked all the awkward questions and mispronounced names, and made fun of Kasey Kahne for still having a tag on his tuxedo. Michael nodded his head a lot and made Melissa ask the already embarrassed Kasey Kahne if he could have a hug (a new Mikey low).
Despite that, the concept was good and it was very entertaining when Wendy did the interviews because it was just like on RaceDay except everybody was dressed up. I would have liked to see them do it again this year. I just don't think you can have a big time awards show without participants being dressed up -at least semiformal like MTV -and without a red carpet. But they could get rid of all the awkwardness by not asking the "who did your dress" questions that Melissa brought to the show. In the past on Speed, the reporter (was it Shannon or the NASCAR Nation lady?) would just say to the wife/girlfriend they look beautiful/lovely etc. and start asking general questions.
- November 11, 2007 at 10:09 PM
- Anonymous said...
I've watched the Cup Banquet couple of times but have never watched a Truck or Busch banquet. I knew they were on, I just never tuned in.
This column by Dave Moody makes them sound pretty cool. Carl Edwards gets up and plays guitar with the guest band (Robert Randolph and the Family Band, no less)? Now I would tune in for that!
- November 11, 2007 at 11:21 PM
- Anonymous said...
The idea that NYC does not like NASCAR is foolish. What do you want, 10 million people yelling it from their windows? It's a complex place with many draws especially in sports. Just because a new track was refused, does not mean that the place doesn't harbor a huge fan base. We know a boatload of NYC folks who are race fans, and thousands travel to New Hampshire every year.
Keep the banquet in NYC ... NASCAR is already signaling the reduction or eventual end of NASCAR racing in New England with the sale of NHIS. Now this, too?
It seems like NASCAR has abandoned the tried truth in business: take care of your existing customers first. They are so hung up on "new" markets strictly out of greed.
- November 12, 2007 at 12:15 AM
- Anonymous said...
The question here, JD, seems to be:
Who from NASCAR PR is floating this trial balloon re: Vegas? You suggest it isn't Jim Hunter...but this looks and seems a lot like how NASCAR tends to gauge opinions on things they consider. The "tightly controlled" credentialled media plays along, publishes the discussion, and we see great analysis on sites like yours, and some discussions and ruminations that don't quite measure up.
What would happen in Vegas, were the NASCAR Champions Week to be moved there, would not necessarily stay there--thanks to the networks.
Hope someone has Gil Cates (the ONLY TV producer who can serve up a major gala style TV broadcast IMO) on speed dial.
- November 12, 2007 at 7:19 AM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
NASCAR is certainly looking at options, and one reason is the season ends for all three series on the same weekend.
Going somewhere to blow off steam, get the money and hardware, and then be done for the season would be positive.
All kinds of sources tell me NYC is done. The prices are incredible, the weather is bad, the traffic is horrible. It served its purpose of making a statement that NASCAR could come to the big city and get some additional media attention.
Now, with the changes in technology, that is not a problem. Las Vegas was floated because it is a professional convention city. Anyone who has been to big meetings or conventions there knows that they could host NASCAR and take care of every need.
As for the format of the banquets, it should be interesting to see if the pressure to be "hollywood" continues, or if NASCAR decides to talk to some TV professionals and weigh their other options.
- November 12, 2007 at 9:24 AM
- Anonymous said...
It seems like NASCAR has abandoned the tried truth in business: take care of your existing customers first. They are so hung up on "new" markets strictly out of greed.
...which is an excellent reason for NASCAR to quit trying to build a track in New York.
And move the banquet to a more traditional location.
- November 12, 2007 at 10:15 AM
- Anonymous said...
Do you know if ESPN is going to re-air the banquet on ESPN or ESPN2 late night for those who don't have ESPN Classic?
- November 12, 2007 at 11:09 AM
- Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I respectfully disagree with the opinion that NASCAR does not have the gravitas to make
the banquet a high profile media event. If promoted properly, a NASCAR Championship Week could rival Daytona Speed Week as a destination event.
November 11, 2007 1:21 PM
That seems to be the question. What works well for fans won't necessarily work on TV. Daytona Speedweeks are popular with vacationing fans -and copying that for Las Vegas seems like an excellent idea - but you don't hear anything much about Speedweeks on TV outside Speed Channel.
NASCAR may have to decide who Champions' Week is aimed at - the media, the sponsors, or the fans. After they decide that, they can proceed with how to approach TV coverage and if that becomes less important overall.
I've seen two drivers comment on this last year. Jeff Gordon thought it was important for the Champion's week/banquet to be in NYC, because currently the week/banquet is mainly set up for the sponsors and for sponsor networking so that team owners can land new sponsors. Since many of the marketing executives are in NYC, he thought NASCAR needed to be there. (As seen by the resulting show, TV is an afterthought.)
Dale Earnhardt Jr. said if is not in NYC, it should be in Charlotte N.C.
``I think Charlotte would be the only thing worth even pondering,'' Earnhardt said. ``But New York's great, over the past several years (the city) seems to have embraced it a little better and been more eager to have us here.'
- November 12, 2007 at 11:47 AM
- Anonymous said...
Re: Banquet:
The banquet airs on ESPN Classic from 9PM-midnight EST Nov. 30.
It replays on ESPN2 from midnight -3AM EST immediately after the ESPN Classic broadcast (Dec.1).
There's live NBA and college FB on ESPN and ESPN2 during the 9-midnight timeslot, so there's no chance the schedule will change and the live banquet airing will move from Classic to those channels.
- November 12, 2007 at 11:55 AM
- Anonymous said...
The best thing the CMA did was abandon their one-year experiment in New York, and move the awards back to Nashville. Now if only they'd leave the downtown arena and return the the new Opry.
I think it's time Nascar do the same thing - return to their fans. Either a place with a historical link (NC, Fla) or to a place where there is at least a race (Vegas).
- November 12, 2007 at 12:03 PM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
In reference to Charlotte, at the present time the downtown area is undergoing a change toward residential renovation. The old convention center is being changed into a big commerce center, and the area offers almost nothing for race fans.
Once the NASCAR Hall of Fame is complete in two years, the area may be once again considered for this type of function. Earnhardt's point was that none of the NASCAR folks would need hotels in Charlotte, and that there were enough rooms for the sponsors and others who would attend. It was a point well taken at the time.
Right now, Vegas offers the most options for visitors including the teams and sponsors. It also offers the most venues for entertainment and functions. Once this year's banquet in NYC is again a TV disaster, these points will have added weight.
SPEED has dumped their extra coverage, and ESPN has put the Cup banquet on the back-burner.
I appreciate your ideas, and I encourage you to have an open mind and suggest what you would like to see from your NASCAR stars as an end-of-season celebration.
- November 12, 2007 at 12:17 PM
- Anonymous said...
I agree that moving the banquets to Las Vegas is worth trying out. As far as ancillary activities, I would like to see something like NFL Experience or NBA Jam Session, where fans would drive simulators, be part of a pit stop, or even simulate a victory lane interview.
One of the other comments was something like, "The L.A. media cares even less about NASCAR than that in NYC." I agree with this due to firsthand experience. I have written and published a novel which centers on a NASCAR driver who is uprooted to what can best be described as a "country heaven."
(If you are interested in more information or to buy the book, e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.com and I will reply with the website address. I won't give out that information here in case policy prohibits commercial use.)
To help promote the book, I sent e-mails to the motorsports writer of the Los Angeles Times, one of the columnists of the Press-Telegram in Long Beach, and a sportscaster at local TV stations CBS2/KCAL9. I included my contact information and consented to interviews. That was four months ago. I never heard back from any of them. Not even the racing writer responded. I am very disappointed about that.
Also, thanks for whoever provided the link for the coverage of last year's Busch and truck banquets. The people in charge of the Cup event can learn a lot from those other series.
- November 12, 2007 at 12:29 PM
- Anonymous said...
I thought SPEED isn't having a banquet show because of ESPN contracts, not because they dumped their coverage.
- November 12, 2007 at 12:49 PM
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- November 12, 2007 at 1:17 PM
- Daly Planet Editor said...
SPEED is carrying the Truck Series banquet, as that is the series that the network covers.
What we were speaking about was SPEED's attempt at a "red carpet" style show from the NEXTEL Cup banquet. That will not be happening this year.
Please keep your comments focused on the subject at hand, and your personal views on the issue.
This is a great topic to discuss this week, and the points raised in these comments have been fantastic. Keep them coming.
- November 12, 2007 at 2:13 PM
- Anonymous said...
In my opinion, NASCAR has to find a way to bring a level of spontaneity to the banquets themselves.
With the ESPYs and most other award shows you don't know who's getting the award until the night of the awards. Even though you might have a pretty good idea, you still have to tune in to find out. That's not the case in NASCAR. We know who finished where (there's no way around this aspect), and most of the contingency awards have already been announced prior to the banquets as well.
What's the point of tuning into an awards show that you know exactly who's won what before it happens?
- November 12, 2007 at 2:43 PM
- Anonymous said...
I like the idea from the link about the Busch/Truck banquet,posted above at 11:21 pm (thanks).
Instead of having the drivers give speeches, have them accept their awards and then sit down and be interviewed by a (good!) interviewer. Since I didn't see the Busch awards, I don't know what this 'living room' set looked like -if it was part of the stage or what. But it sounds like the drivers were more relaxed, even though the pictures show they were in formal wear.
No matter how good some of them are in one-on-one interviews or sponsor tent appearances, some simply can't deliver formal speeches to a large crowd. (From what I understand, that is why a speechwriter for NASCAR public relations had to be brought in to help certain drivers write speeches, and the teleprompter was introduced. Thus, boringness).
Music? I don't know. Maybe let the top five drivers pick one music act each. Maybe not all would be available, but if each driver provides a list of five acts as soon as they are selected for the Chase, perhaps they can book one of those five from the top five guys lists.
Some columnist talking about the banquet one time said the sponsor names should be run on a scroll while the driver is talking so the driver doesn't have to list them. That sounds good to me.
- November 12, 2007 at 3:08 PM
- Anonymous said...
I also believe no spontaneity hurts the banquet/awards. Watching overall coverage last year, IMO the only spontaneous thing was at the lunch they had on Speed with the some awards the night before the banquet.
Somebody from Chevy called Jimmie Johnson's wife Chani up to the stage and thanked her for her support of Jimmie and gave her keys to a new Corvette. Yeah you could argue they don't need a Corvette, but she and Jimmie were genuinely shocked and thrilled, and it was very nice to watch.
Mentioning the ESPYs above - it would be nice if the drivers would do a few - emphasis on a few - comedy things like that. But it needs to be funny, like some of the Jeff Gordon skits on Saturday Night Live.
Other than Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson doing some taped skit with Jay Mohr last year, did they have anything like that at the banquet? I can't even remember what happened in that skit so it must not have been written too well.
So NASCAR needs to get them some good material.
- November 12, 2007 at 3:48 PM
- Anonymous said...
Mr. Daly:
"NASCAR may have to decide who Champions' Week is aimed at - the media, the sponsors, or the fans. After they decide that, they can proceed with how to approach TV coverage and if that becomes less important overall."
anon @ 11:47 am.
I believe this paragraph is the central issue to be answered.
We all know that, if the NASCAR executive collective wanted the banquets together and in any other American city, it would be done in short order, so the discussions on the relative merits of NYC vs Vegas serve no real purpose until it can be determined what NASCAR wants.
Media, sponsors or fans. I think you'd also have to factor 'ratings' into the equation. With ratings on the decline since 2005, an upgraded banquet telecast might be an increasingly hard sell, especially until the overall issues concerning broadcasting during the regular season have been addressed.
We know what the banquets (and the telecasts) have been; now NASCAR has to decide what they want them to be in the future.
Just my take...
(My own opinion - I don't think BZF would seriously consider Vegas until the problem of LVMS's second date issue is resolved!)
Tom in Dayton.
- November 12, 2007 at 3:58 PM
- Anonymous said...
"I think you'd also have to factor 'ratings' into the equation. With ratings on the decline since 2005, an upgraded banquet telecast might be an increasingly hard sell, especially until the overall issues concerning broadcasting during the regular season have been addressed."
Tom in Dayton.
November 12, 2007 3:58 PM
Good thought: what network would air a new and improved primetime NASCAR awards show? Especially an improved production which will likely have an increased budget.
Unfortunately, no way ABC would go near it for the time being, with the ratings they got for NASCAR in Primetime and the Young Guns show. NBC always aired their condensed version on Sunday afternoon, not evening.
Cable - I don't think the nonsports networks would go for a NASCAR Awards show. CMT tried to air the Miss America pageant for two years and now they're giving up, it's on TLC next year. Sad that Miss America used to be a big deal but gets shipped all around cable now.
SPEED would be the choice, but ESPN wouldn't go for that. Would ESPN buckle down and air a special on the main network or ESPN2 in primetime? They probably would, but the end of November/first of December is full of live weekend events -so the show would probably have to be delayed and air on a Tuesday-Wednesday to be in primetime. If that's acceptable, then that would be an idea.
I'm trying to think of another sport that has year end awards or entertainment show and I can't. Except the Pro Bowl skills challenge - It used to be on ESPN, but it's on NFL Network now.
Changing the banquet is a GREAT idea, though maybe NASCAR will have to wait to get its network off the ground to get the awards/banquet really going.
- November 12, 2007 at 5:33 PM
- Anonymous said...
Something off the wall - how about a 'celebrity roast' format for part of it, let the drivers mess with each other, tease and laugh, and blow off some of the tension that builds between competitors during the season?
That would be worth watching much more than a formal banquet/speech format to me. Some of those guys have a great sense of humor, it would be great to see them let their hair down and have a few laughs after 9 months of stress.
- November 12, 2007 at 6:02 PM
- GinaV24 said...
I'd like to see them move all the banquets to Las Vegas, too and then open it up for the fans. The stuff from NYC comes across really stuffy and the entertainment such as it is on the broadcasts for the Cup version is so lame and just puts me to sleep. Move and let all the drivers have some fun.
- November 12, 2007 at 8:16 PM
- Anonymous said...
Mark these anonymous words...the banquet according to Bruton "off the record" will be in Vegas next year.
- November 12, 2007 at 9:49 PM
- Anonymous said...
Just to let the rest of you know, I get the NYC local channels, and they NEVER mention anything about NASCAR on any of their sports news on evening news shows. Why Nascar kisses their butts up there, is beyond my thinking. Vegas would be a great place to have the banquet.
Oh, Nascar has a commericial on about 8,000 horses coming uptown (downtown NYC), and showing a cop ready to direct them, so that is the only NASCAR spot on any of the NYC locals...
- November 12, 2007 at 11:33 PM
- Anonymous said...
who is the host and musical guest this year for the banquet?
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He was calling us to join non-Christians in common prayer. You agree with this? What deity can Orthodox Christians and Hindus and atheists pray to that they commonly believe in? Please answer this question. It might lead you to understand the problem people have with the arguments you're making.But not all that humans call "love" is God.
On 911, everyone prayed together- all faiths, nationalities were praying at the same time. This is an example of how I would interpret the 'common prayer'...
So this takes place every Sunday morning then when Orthodox Christians pray "at the same time" as other Christians.'Nice touch' using the 9/11 example. When reason fails, turning to emotionalism and sentimentalism is not the answer.
the speech by Paulos spoke of prayer in the secular world as distinct from prayer in the church
usually in times of great distress when all are compelled to recognize the Almighty
I wonder what it is in the heterodox mentality which equates Orthodoxy with lovelessness, and a "warm-fuzzy-feeling-with-bright-rainbows-and-gliding-doves" with Christian Love?I don't think Our Lord had "warm-fuzzy-feeling-with-bright-rainbows-and-gliding-doves" on the Cross, yet there has never been a greater example of Love in human history than Christ Crucified.
I hate to be the politically correct one in the bunch......but I do think that if someone is praying to "God" (as long as the person praying believes what or whom he/she is praying to is the "highest diety"......for example, a Hindu praying to Atman, rather than Shiva), that that person is indeed praying to YHWH.Consider Abraham, for example. His parents were, in all probability, polytheistic pagans. And Abraham certainly had no systematic knowledge of YHWH as the Jews would 1000 years later. He simply prayed to what he knew to be vaguely "the one God". And God answered him.And what about Job? He had no historical connection with the God as revealed to the Jews.....he lived in the "East".....and yet God accepted his worship as an acceptable sacrifice.There are also many stories of modern-day Muslims (in Iraq, for example), who asked "Allah to reveal Himself"......then the Lord Jesus would appear to them.This is not to say that I believe there can be salvation outside of Christ and His Church.....I certainly do not believe that. I'm just saying that if someone offers prayer to "the Highest Being", then they are in fact praying to YHWH.As to the question "Where is the love in Eastern Orthodoxy?".....I'd like to remind everybody of the squibbles, fighting, and arrogance that I've seen in Pentecostal Churches. This is a human thing. It will be present in every church....whether in the true, One, Apostolic Church, or otherwise.If you want to dichotomize the situation, we can say the Church is the guardian of two things: Truth and Love. Sometimes the Church can focus so much on the Truth part, that they forget about the Love part.....hence what you see going on in the Christological squibbles between OO and EO. Other times, a Church can focus too much on the Love part and forget about the Truth part....like what you see going on in ultra-ecumenical and inter-faith circles.
I wonder what it is in the heterodox mentality which equates Orthodoxy with lovelessness, and a "warm-fuzzy-feeling-with-bright-rainbows-and-gliding-doves" with Christian Love?
I hate to be the politically correct one in the bunch......but I do think that if someone is praying to "God" (as long as the person praying believes what or whom he/she is praying to is the "highest diety"......for example, a Hindu praying to Atman, rather than Shiva), that that person is indeed praying to YHWH.
You said it very well... there is only one God, one Creator - that is our belief and Truth... regardless of the name given by others ... there are no other Gods, just other names and interpretations as a result of human frailty and imperfection.....
Truth without love is dead. Tradition without compassion is hypocritical. Orthodoxy itself is not lovelessness but some become so narrowminded in their Orthodoxy that they are unable to have love and compassion for anyone outside of Orthodoxy. What good is that? Even the pagans love their neighbor!
[oldwomanwaggingfinger]We've argued about this before, and to no end. Stop it and go to church! We have the twelve Gospel readings tonight. We'll have all the time in the world to discuss this later.In fact, think about it, but not in a way that makes you formulate your arguments. LISTEN to the Gospels and to the prayers. Think about what they mean in terms of love AND in terms of speaking the truth and about Truth. Think about what this prayer in our church means and what it means elsewhere. Most of all LISTEN! But stop it and go to church.[/oldwomanwaggingfinger]
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuseIf the attributes of God are clearly seen in the Creation, then the members of non-Christian religions will have at least some sense of God. In this enough to pray with them in the public square? Why not?
Notwithstanding their belief that Baal was the highest deity, they nevertheless countered this by supposing that the highest deity could be contained within a piece of wood. This is different from Hinduism in so far as you'll never find a statue or painting of Atman, being an ultra-transcendant (albeit somewhat impersonal) figure.
But don't you think it's possible that Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, etc. were originally revelations from God which simply became corrupted over time?
.....or the view which I like better: all religions (with the possible exceptions of Islam and Mormonism) are the "fleshing out" of Jungian archetypes planted in the mind by God. Though, we with our frail minds, cannot flesh them out properly without aid from God....which is where the Burning Bush and the Gospel come in.
Though I started this thread with good intentions, perhaps it has gone on for too long. There is love in Eastern Orthodoxy but there are some "bad apples" who seem to spoil the whole bunch, at least in the eyes of the world. This is not to say that they are bad people, but they may be so fixated on the letter of tradition that they neglect its spirit and the need to love one another. I have been guilty of this from time to time and many converts will go through the same period of zealotry in some point in their life. We're only human. Please, let's try to abstain from this thread during the Pascha weekend.May peace be upon thee and with thy spirit.
Sin begins in the choir. I'm in the choir at my church, too--I am the tenor section, actually --so I know that it can get catty, 'specially when the pressure's on during Holy Week, everyone's irritable because of the demands so many services are making on your voice/body, fasting's increased, so we're all gripey and hungry, we want Pascha to sound great (while it shouldn't be about "showtime," we of course want it to sound the most glorious we can make it sound)...yet in all that, in our knowledge of our role (which is an honor or should be) as prayer-leader, we can get too big for our britches and make it more about the appearance than the substance.Sorry you had to go through that, Kizzy. Been there with offenses like that in the choir, some of which have caused folks to leave.
All that fasting the did for lent out the window in my opinion- better to not be so 'perfect' in fasting and more perfect in kindness toward others.
There are plenty of EO and OO who get along just dandy; stop bringing it up like everyone here hates you and your church or something. We disagree.
Now you're judging whole groups of people (and worse, along jurisdictional lines) as gossipers, politicizers, and intolerant. I think you've got a strange and special pair of rosy non-reality lenses on.
This is not to judge a whole group of people, there are just certain elements within groups. Every church has its foibles and likewise, every church has its strengths. I can almost guarantee that anyone who comes to our church can feel welcome.
And just for future reference, hasty generalizations are a logical fallacy.
But since the subtext is that your jurisdiction is welcoming and other jurisdictions are not, get over it.
but no singlular jurisdiction has the monopoly on being the best one.
Your point is? Everyone who goes to St. Gregory of Nyssa Episcopalian Church in San Francisco also is made to feel welcome- especially if they're unrepentant active homosexuals.
Your point is? Everyone who goes to St. Gregory of Nyssa Episcopalian Church in San Francisco also is made to feel welcome- especially if they're unrepentant active homosexuals. Everyone who goes to the Hare Krishna Temple here in Sydney is made to feel welcome and can share in the Sunday Feast.
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The fit of the Zaza is on the long side. The strap is not adjustable, so the fit might be loose if you have a low instep or a very narrow foot. Many go down half a size in this style.
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Jessamy from our Boston (Faneuil Hall) store says:
The fit of the Zaza is on the long side. The strap is not adjustable, so the fit might be loose if you have a low instep or a very narrow foot. Many go down half a size in this style.
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They were the last pair, so yes a were bit big, another insole will do the trick.
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However, after a month of fairly frequent wear, they are still rubbing the skin raw where the outside lip hits, right about where the spat begins. Is this a quirk of my foot, or did anyone else have this probem, and if so, are there any solutions?
I went with the thought of getting one fun pair and one more sedate pair. I did, and these are my fun pair. They fit perfectly and the only color in my size, purple and orange. How could I say no???
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I had another pair of Vogs picked out for my next purchase but I may possibly have to buy a second pair of Zazas in one of the other color combos. Love, love, LOVE this shoe! If you're on the fence, buy them, try them, don't deny them. ,-)
These run a wee bit smaller than some of the other Minis - I tried on a few other Mini shoes in 9 that fit, but these ones fit 8.5, and I can still wear a thin sock comfortably.
Many thanks to the Boston store for letting me try on lots of different styles when I first went to visit. Everyone was super friendly, and they were helpful with all my questions. Fluevogs rock, and I wish I could afford to have all my shoes be vogs.
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My feet run a bit wide, but I wear a size 10, and in these as well, with a perfect fit. If you're thinking of these shoes - my advice... BUY THE SHOES!!
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In this pulse-quickening novel, Alfred Bester imagines a future in which people "jaunte" a thousand miles with a single thought, where the rich barricade themselves in labyrinths and protect themselves with radioactive hit men - and where an inarticulate outcast is the most valuable and dangerous man alive. "The Stars My Destination" is a classic of technological prophecy and timeless narrative enchantment by an acknowledged master of science fiction.
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Organizational challenges for CSR communication in social mediaEtter, Michael; Morsing, Mette; Castello, Itziar (Amsterdam, 2011)[More information][Less information]
Abstract: Purpose: Social media hold promises for companies to engage with a variety of stakeholders about CSR issues and thereby enhance stakeholder relationships. However, by implementing a social media strategy companies face different constraints. With this paper barriers diminishing stakeholder dialogue in the Web 2.0 are identified. Design and methodology: With a single case in‐depth‐study we analyze the implementation of a communication strategy of a recently launched CSR‐twitter‐account of a European based pharmaceutical company leading in CSR. Data is derived from interviews with four managers with central roles in strategy formulation and implementation. Findings: Five factors diminishing stakeholder dialogue are identified: Lack of resources, unfamiliarity with social media, managerial scepticism, internal guidelines and culture, and external regulations. These barriers prevent basic principles of relationship building online, such as regular updates or conversational human voice. Research limitations: With a single case study the representative value of the results is limited. However, the results give valuable insights into the challenges and concerns management faces when implementing a CSR communication strategy in social media. Practical implications: The results show that organisational constraints have to be addressed in order to implement a successful social media strategy. We therefore argue that corporate communications has to increasingly emphasis organisational aspects. Originality: To date, only little research has been done about CSR communication in social media. Furthermore, the research paper presents highly relevant and new findings by drawing the attention to organizational rooted challenges of corporate communication and strategy implementation. URI: http://hdl.handle.net/10398/8530
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Who were you?
Posted 19 July 2005 - 12:57 AM
p.s. through regression and readings, I have been told I was a high-ranking soldier in many lives, a black-irish healer, a judge, an executioner (electric chair), a witch, and an Atlantean. I don't know about that last one, but the others I am definitely feeling and it explained a lot of my obsessions to me.
Posted 20 July 2005 - 05:10 PM
I personally believe in them, I would just like to know what others think/feel about it; if other members are particularly attracted to certain times or areas. If other members have had regressions done, or a particular experience while viewing movies about history or reading about historical things. I would like to hear comments, pro or con, about the subject.
I'm confused on this....do you want to talk about past lives in a positive note or do you want to discuss whether or not people/members believe in past lives?
Posted 20 July 2005 - 06:38 PM
Sometimes you look at a baby , and for some unknown reason think, that baby looks like a wise old soul...he/she's been here before! When i lost a baby, several people said that to me, he looked like an old soul. Weird. I believe DeJaVu has a lot to do with past lives also. Intense fears also play a part i think. I have a fear of big ships and deep water...I think i actually went down on the titanic also! Well...thats what i say, its the only ship iknow the name of, i dont care to know anything about them lol... I actually think i was run over by a ship and drowned or somthing. I hate looking up at a large ship, gives me the heebie geebies. I hate deep water that you cant see through, If i cant see whats under me i HATE it! I'm always worried somthings going to come up and grab my leg or somthing. Thats pretty much my only fears, they arent extremely intense, but still not comfortable. In saying all that, there is NO reason for me to fear these things, nothing in this life time has contributed to the fact.
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Posted 21 July 2005 - 02:12 AM
It sounds to me as though you had [U]something to do with Rome, as though you are intensely attracted to it. I feel that way about Scotland, Morocco, and Egypt. I would be interested to know how Rome affects you if you are able to go! What if you got there, and everything felt familiar to you? Would you want to stay?
Posted 21 July 2005 - 02:14 AM
I was told I was a high=ranking Roman soldier, so maybe we served together! LOL
Hey Juliet K
It sounds to me as though you had [U]something to do with Rome, as though you are intensely attracted to it. I feel that way about Scotland, Morocco, and Egypt. I would be interested to know how Rome affects you if you are able to go! What if you got there, and everything felt familiar to you? Would you want to stay?
Posted 21 July 2005 - 08:22 AM
Africa calls to me....And Im not african...Im not even african american...But theres something about Africa....My house is done in African art and sculptures...I feel warm with it in the house...And something about rainforest.....? And water...The ocean..I am very comfortable with the ocean...I never grew up by it...But you would swear that I did how I can swim in it......
Maybe these are just things that comfort me.....Or maybe something more?
Posted 21 July 2005 - 10:11 AM
Simmy....we may have something in common...I am completely obsessed with the Titanic and joke that I went down with it as well. I also have a huge phobia about deep water...anything deeper than my head is considered deep water even if it is only 1 inch above my head. However, I also love all things nautical. I love lighthouses, nautical decorations, would love to live with a view of the ocean, I love collecting shells...etc. So, I have often joked that I was a pirate or sailor that went down with his ship.
I also have a fascination with Jack the Ripper and had a dream one night that I was one of the victims. So, is it possible? Or did I dream it because I had just read a book about him not too long before. And with Titanic..my great-grandfather loved to read and was fascinated with the Titanic and he died before I was born, so maybe I am not re-incarnated from a Titanic passenger but from my g-grandfather.
But, I also beleive that sometimes we WANT to believe so much that we will take any like or dislike and say it is from a past life. Just because I am interested in Irish culture and you in Chinese does not mean we came from past lives. We all are unique people with different tasts and are going to be drawn to different things. I love babgpipe music, but just becuase I heard it on a CD once and fell in love. I didn't pick one up and play it when I was 2, I don't have memories from listening to it...I don't think I am from a Scottish heritage in a past life. I just like the haunting sounds a bagpipe makes.
So, basically, I liek the idea of believing but also our fears and extreme likes might just be our personality.
Posted 21 July 2005 - 11:35 AM
This electronic age that we are in now is the result of many Atlanteans coming back.
Posted 21 July 2005 - 12:00 PM
I enjoy these past life threads, as people always come up with such interesting things about how certain times in history seem to call to them. I'm usually skeptical when I hear someone tell me they were some historical figure or person of great wealth and power in a past life, but when someone tells me they were a fisherman or a serving wench in a previous incarnation, then I start to listen.
I was told I was a high-ranking Roman soldier, so maybe we served together!
I've been fortunate to have undergone two past life regressions (PLR) under hypnosis and also attended a class on PLR given by Anne Middleton, a noted regressionist in Colorado. In the class I was told by another student who was regressing me that I was a Blackfoot Indian who lived in the early 1800's. The description she gave of me in that life was almost exactly like the painting done by the Swiss painter, Karl Bodmer, of the Mandan chief Four Bears--a painting that fascinated me as a child whenever I saw it in my Golden Book of Indians. The woman doing the regression also described me in that life as looking like Mel Gibson in Braveheart with my face painted in different colors. Here's a copy of Bodmer's painting:
Note the painted face. This particular portrait was done in 1834, so it could easily fit within the timeline of my PLR. I also did some research and discovered that both the Mandan and the Blackfoot tribes lived in close vicinity of each other (mainly in western Montana.) Maybe that would explain why I left a high paying job with MCI in Denver and moved to North Idaho on whim. All I can say is that I've literally traveled to the four corners of the earth and have never felt more comfortable living anywhere as much as I have here. Perhaps it's because I've finally come home . . .
little_light, I know what you mean. I used to travel extensively to Kenya and fell in love with the place! There was something about it that was so familiar, like I was back home again whenever the landing gear touched down at the airport in Nairobi.
juliet_keller, I took Latin my freshman year in high school and just loved it! I'll never forget the time I was taking a weekly quiz and the end of the test there was a bonus question where you had to fill in the blanks on a time line with 15 different events in Roman history. Of course, I had no idea what the correct answers were, so I just randomly filled in the blanks hoping I'd get one or two right for extra credit. Imagine my surprise when I got my test back and discovered I had filled in the blanks in correct chronological order--all 15 of them! What are the odds of that happening? I guess it would be easy if I'd lived during that time
bathory313, I relived a past life as a Roman centurion in Carthage under Scipo Africanus during my second PLR under hypnosis. Maybe we were stationed together
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Posted 22 July 2005 - 01:31 AM
So I guess we didn't have the Pill back then? *grin*
Bathory, believe in your Atlantis incarnation because I had one too. I had 7 children that time!!
This electronic age that we are in now is the result of many Atlanteans coming back.
Posted 22 July 2005 - 01:39 AM
Sylvia Browne talks about this very subject: she says a prominent birthmark is usually our bodies' memory of a fatal wound......my ex had a perfect, arrow shaped mark on his thigh, it was black, and stippled looking, the way a tatoo will look sometimes when it's 30 years old or more. He said it was a birthmark, but we never explored it. The one time I regressed him, he felt he was in a German forest, with a thatched-roof house (a very rudimentary dwelling as he described it). He said he was dressed in skins and had skins on his feet; and that he was very scared because something was coming out of the forest (men on horseback) and he was protecting his wife and children. He described having some sort of pitchfork in his hands, waiting for the men to come closer. He never let me regress him again, because I guess it brought up old stuff............even though I instructed him to release that fear and not carry it into this life. It was very detailed, though.
Asked if I were to go and visit if I were to stay...nope! I have my family now....even if I did happen to find familiarity, traits and or family roots. My family is here now. My purpose and sense in life is here for my children now. But there is just that strong urge to visit there for maybe two weeks, so I would not ever go until my daughters are grown and on their own. I would love to be given the chance like you have earth_spirit to be put under hypnosis. I watched it be done at a comedy club...but that's another story...hahaha! I don't think that I was anything special within my past life, lord knows I hope I wasn't a man!! But enough about what I think about my past life. I have read up on a storie but I can't recall where and when about some child being born with a birth mark across his back and ever since the age that he could remember his dream he remembered fighting and dieing in a prior war not in his time by being shot in his back in the same exact spot where his birthmark was, he even remembered his name through his dream of the soldier he was. Well, his family was able to trace all this back and found out this all was true. So, it was all self evident that this kid could have actually have been this person in his past live. I have heard more stories like this as well...have any of you? Or have you heard about Mozart or Beethoven on why they were so gifted at such a young age that they must have learned their music in a prior former life? Julie
Posted 22 July 2005 - 03:31 AM
Posted 22 July 2005 - 03:43 AM
Wow, that's quite an experience! I've had a dream about Germany also, but mine is a bit different.........I dreamed I was a Jewish man, short in stature. I could see the clothes I had on, and I had my daughter with me (I have no children). She was about 14, I was about late forties or early fifties. I had curly dark hair, balding on top. We were in our old house, looking for papers we'd hidden under the floorboards (my wife and other children had already been taken by the SS), and while we were there looking, the Nazi soldiers found us there, then I woke up. I don't know if I just stumbled into someone else's memory, or if it was mine, but the man in my dream felt like "me", I saw everything from his point of view. I'm just starting to realize through these posts that I have very strange dreams.....
I haven't looked to much into it, but I get the feeling that I was a German soldier in world war I, due a dream I've had several times a year since I was very young. The dream is always the same-- I'm running down a trench, and I can smell smoke and dirt and rot and hear screaming and explosions and whizzing over my head (presumably bullets). I get down to the end of the trench and I see men falling over left and right and suddenly I hear a tremendous whistling and a green trail and then I feel an intense pain in my lower left side and I am on the gound looking up, yelling "Medizar" over and over again, and then I wake up. I've had the same exact dream since I was maybe 4 or 5, and I only recently decided to figure out what "medizar" meant. (It made sense to me in the dream, yet not upon waking). Medizar means "Medic" in German.. I think it was WWI because of the rifles being used, and the condition of the trenches, and also the uniforms.
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I thought I would share this photo because I have it and do not know how many others do. This is the five sons of Isabella Sharp and Joseph Carlisle. Isabella is the sister to my William Sharp, who I have written about previously at this link: Sharp-Bailey Wedding. Here are some of the details of the family, but I do not really know much more. They have a pretty large family with plenty of family historians so I will let them write the Carlisle history (which I know they have probably already done)
Joseph Carlisle was born 21 July 1826 in Sherwood on the Hill, Nottinghamshire, England and died 17 March 1912 in Millcreek, Salt Lake, Utah.
Isabella Sharp was born 22 December 1831 in Misson, Nottinghamshire, England and died 29 March 1904 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah. Her parents were Thomas Sharp and Elizabeth Cartwright Sharp. If you search her brother, mentioned above, you can read more about her parents and family.
Joseph and Isabella were married 18 May 1853 in St. Louis, St. Louis, Missouri.
Joseph Richard Carlisle was born 19 December 1854 in Millcreek and died 2 April 1935 in Salt Lake City. He married Lily Naomi Titcomb 29 November 1853 in Salt Lake City in the Endowment House.
Isabella Jane Carlisle was born 12 April 1857 in Salt Lake City and died 1 April 1928 in Salt Lake City. She married Joseph William Walters 3 January 1875 in the Endowment House.
Thomas Matthew Carlisle was born 12 April 1857 in Salt Lake City and died 10 March 1869 in Millcreek.
James Sharp Carlisle was born 4 September 1859 in Millcreek and died 2 December 1938 in Millcreek. He married Keturah White 11 February 1885 in Logan, Cache, Utah in the Logan Temple.
Ezra Taylor Carlisle was born 14 August 1861 in Millcreek and died 12 February 1862 in Millcreek.
Elizabeth Ann Carlisle was born 24 November 1862 in Millcreek and died 6 November 1881 in Millcreek. She was engaged to married John Calder Mackay and obviously died before that marriage could take place. On 21 December 1881 in St. George, Washington, Utah Isabella performed Elizabeth's eternal ordinances in the St. George Temple. Isabella also stood in as proxy as Elizabeth was sealed to John Mackay, who accompanied Isabella to St. George.
William Frederick Carlisle was born 14 November 1864 in Millcreek and died 5 January 1922 in Millcreek. He married Sarah Ann Rogers 23 December 1897 in the Salt Lake Temple.
Harvey Cartwright Carlisle was born 22 September 1866 in Millcreek and died 3 July 1935 in Holladay, Salt Lake, Utah. He married Lucy Carline Cahoon 21 January 1891 in the Logan Temple. After her death he married Amelia Annie Towler 16 January 1901 in the Salt Lake Temple. After her death he married Emily Steven McDonald 19 July 1923 in the Salt Lake Temple.
Herbert Towle Carlisle was born 23 August 1868 in Millcreek and died 25 October 1870 in Millcreek.
Orman Carlisle was born 8 May 1871 in Millcreek and died 9 May 1871 in Millcreek.
Carrie Brown Carlisle was born 18 November 1872 in Millcreek and died 15 July 1873 in Millcreek.
Ether Franklin Carlisle was born 11 September 1873 in Millcreek and died 4 May 1915 in Salt Lake City. He married Maude Miller Harman 10 November 1897 in the Salt Lake Temple.
Rosamond Pearl Carlisle was born 29 July 1875 in Millcreek and died 13 June 1921 in Murray, Salt Lake, Utah. She married Uriah George Miller 19 February 1902 in the Salt Lake Temple.
The family certainly lost quite a few children. But all those who lived to marry did so in a LDS temple, or its equivalent at the time.