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In honor of The Rolling Stones' 50th anniversary, All Things Considered has been talking to the members of the band about standout songs from their catalog. Earlier this week, Keith Richards discussed what gives "Street Fighting Man" (1968) its distinctive guitar sound, Charlie Watts gave context to his drum part in "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" (1965), and guitarist Ron Wood skipped ahead in the band's history, settling on the funky, disco-inflected "Dance (Pt. 1)," from 1980.
For his pick, Mick Jagger went with 1969's "Gimme Shelter." NPR's Melissa Block suggests that the two talk over the song, to which Jagger jokingly responds, "Talk over it? Sacrilegious. I could rap over it."
In the original version that begins Let It Bleed, the Latin groove sets the pace and, as Jagger says, a "rock thing starts" with Keith Richards layering guitars throughout. Jagger coos in a high falsetto before he pronounces, "Oh, a storm is threatening." Then a soul singer comes in with that memorable refrain.
"When we got to Los Angeles and we were mixing it, we thought, 'Well, it'd be great to have a woman come and do the rape/murder verse,' or chorus, or whatever you want to call it," Jagger says. "We randomly phoned up this poor lady [Merry Clayton] in the middle of the night, and she arrived in her curlers and proceeded to do that in one or two takes, which is pretty amazing. She came in and knocked off this rather odd lyric. It's not the sort of lyric you give everyone — 'Rape, murder / It's just a shot away' — but she really got into it, as you can hear on the record. She joins the chorus. It's been a great live song ever since."
'War And Tension'
"Gimme Shelter" is downright apocalyptic, and a product of its time that still speaks to us today — especially in light of recent events like Hurricane Sandy.
"It was a very moody piece about the world closing in on you a bit," Jagger says. "When it was recorded, early '69 or something, it was a time of war and tension, so that's reflected in this tune. It's still wheeled out when big storms happen, as they did the other week. It's been used a lot to evoke natural disaster."
The Rolling Stones will soon embark on a short five-date tour in London, New York and New Jersey. For someone like Mick Jagger, who jokes about not knowing his age — he's 69 — performing is a very physical act.
"What do I do to get ready? Well, I do what I've always done for the last forever years," Jagger says. "I have to get up the fitness level, sing a lot, practice, get in the mood, and generally do lots of rehearsal. Get your body and mind ready.
"You get in the idea that you're going to be out there onstage and crank up the ego a bit. I'm really making this up a little bit, but if you're totally prepared mentally and physically, then the rest of it will follow. You won't be worried about it. You won't be nervous."
One more thing: Wardrobe is key.
"It makes you feel good," Jagger says. "You've got to have fresh wardrobe. You can't just go out there looking like you did last time. That helps your transformation. You know, being in a rock band, you can't overdo the costume changes too much because everyone thinks, 'Oh, that's not a real rock band. Look how many times he changes costumes! That's not rock. Rock's about going on in a T-shirt and staying in it and getting it all dirty.' But that's not really my approach."
From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Audie Cornish.
And I'm Melissa Block.
MICK JAGGER: Hi, Melissa. This is Mick Jagger here. Nice to be on ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.
BLOCK: What a way to end the week. Mick Jagger is the last in our series of chats with The Rolling Stones. The band is marking 50 years together. They have a new collection of greatest hits and are getting ready for a handful of shows. We asked each of The Stones to pick one song to talk about. So far this week, we've heard from Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, Ronnie Wood and now Mick.
JAGGER: You want to talk about "Gimme Shelter"?
BLOCK: Do you want to talk about "Gimme Shelter"?
JAGGER: Not really, but I can. I'm very open to talking about "Gimme Shelter."
JAGGER: It was released in 1969, and we did follow-up versions of it, and it was very exciting.
BLOCK: Well, do me a favor. We have it cued up here. So let's play it.
JAGGER: Go on.
BLOCK: If you don't mind, talk over it as we're listening to it if that's OK.
JAGGER: Talk over it.
BLOCK: Yeah.
JAGGER: Sacrilegious.
JAGGER: I could rap over it if you'd like.
BLOCK: Just tell us what we hear. So here's the opening.
JAGGER: (Unintelligible) two versions of Keith over the top.
JAGGER: Layered - two layers of Keith.
JAGGER: And Jimmy Miller playing the scraper, and Charlie playing the drums.
BLOCK: And that high vocal there?
JAGGER: That's me. Oh, that's Mick Jagger singing a high falsetto vocal.
JAGGER: Yeah. I was doing that the other day in rehearsal.
BLOCK: Yeah?
JAGGER: Yeah.
BLOCK: You could still get there?
JAGGER: Yeah, probably.
JAGGER: I've got much higher ones than that.
JAGGER: And then we - we leave the Latin groove behind, and then the sort of rock thing starts.
THE ROLLING STONES: (Singing) Oh, a storm is threatening my very life today.
JAGGER: There's old me and (unintelligible) me and me and me singing.
STONES: (Singing) If I don't get some shelter, oh, yeah, I'm going to fade away. War, children, it's just a shot away. It's just a shot away. War...
JAGGER: When we got to Los Angeles and we were mixing it, we thought, well, it'd be great to have a woman come and do the rape-murder verse or chorus or whatever you want to call it. And so we randomly phoned up this poor lady in the middle of the night, and she arrived in her curlers.
BLOCK: No kidding?
MERRY CLAYTON: (Singing) Rape, murder, it's just a shot away. It's just a shot away.
BLOCK: This is the singer Merry Clayton.
JAGGER: It's Merry Clayton, yeah. And Merry came in pink curlers. I think Merry - Merry, I'm sorry, but - for so telling you on this. It wasn't a dressing gown. I think she got a dress by then. And she came in and knocked this off this rather odd lyric. It's not sort of the lyric you give everyone, you know, rape, murder, it's just a shot away, but she proceeded to do that in like one or two takes, and she's pretty amazing. And she really got into it, as you can hear on the record, and she, you know, she joins the chorus, and it's been a great live song ever since.
CLAYTON: (Singing) It's just a shot away. It's just a shot away. Rape, murder, it's just a shot away. It's just a shot away.
BLOCK: Her voice really, really cracks at the high point of the song.
JAGGER: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, she does a great job on this.
BLOCK: Who did what in writing this song?
JAGGER: Keith wrote the tune, and I wrote a lot of the words.
BLOCK: What were you thinking when you were coming up with the words for "Gimme Shelter"?
JAGGER: I can't remember really anymore, to be honest, but, you know, it was a very moody piece about the world closing in on you a bit. When it was recorded, like, early '69 or something, you know, it was a time of war and tension, and so that's reflected in this tune.
BLOCK: Kind of apocalyptic, really.
JAGGER: Yeah. Kind of, yeah.
JAGGER: And, you know, it's still wheeled out when big storms happen, as they did the other week, you know? And it's been used a lot to evoke natural disaster.
JAGGER: Oh, that's my harmonica part there. Only two notes, but it shows what you can do with two notes.
BLOCK: Let's hear it. Let's crank that up right now.
JAGGER: Go.
BLOCK: It is just two notes.
JAGGER: It is just two notes.
JAGGER: That's because of a crummy keyed harmonica...
JAGGER: ...anyways, you know?
BLOCK: You shouldn't have told me about it. It just spoiled the whole illusion of (unintelligible).
JAGGER: I didn't spoil it. It just shows you what you can do with two notes.
BLOCK: There you go.
JAGGER: You didn't have to put - it is economy of style.
BLOCK: Well, you're getting ready to go out for a few shows, a couple in England and a few here. What do you do to get ready? It's such a physical thing that you do, and you're how old now?
JAGGER: I don't know.
BLOCK: Aha.
JAGGER: That's Charlie's line.
JAGGER: But...
JAGGER: How old are you, Melissa?
BLOCK: I'm 50.
JAGGER: Oh, it's a nice age.
BLOCK: It's a round number.
JAGGER: It's a very nice age. What do I do to get ready? Well, I do what I've always done for the last, oh, forever years. You know, I have to get up the fitness level, sing a lot, practice, get in the mood and generally - and do lots of rehearsal. Get your body and mind ready.
BLOCK: How do you get your mind ready?
JAGGER: Well, you get in the idea that you're going to be out there on stage and crank up the ego a bit.
BLOCK: I bet that's the key part of it. You have to crank up the ego to do what you do.
JAGGER: Yeah. You kind of do, but you can't really - that's something that I don't actually really do, if you know what I mean. I mean, you do it, but you don't sort of - it's not part of the training. And there's the clothes, of course.
JAGGER: I'm not forgetting the clothes. That's a very important...
BLOCK: It's key.
JAGGER: ...part of the prep, totally key because, to be honest, you do have to because it makes you feel good. And you've got to have, you know, fresh wardrobe. And you can't just go out there looking like you did last time. And then you - that helps your transformation. You know, being in a rock band, you can't kind of overdo the costume changes too much because everyone thinks, oh, that's not a real rock band. Look how many times he changes costumes.
JAGGER: That's not rock. Rock is about going on in a T-shirt and staying in it and getting it all dirty. But that's not really my approach.
BLOCK: You know, none of the members of The Rolling Stones chose the song that I kind of hoped one of you would.
JAGGER: Which was what?
BLOCK: "Wild Horses."
JAGGER: Oh, lovely.
JAGGER: It's quite a favorite of mine to do as the ballad as we don't do that many. Being a rock band, we do - we've got lots of ballads, but we don't do many. And we could do a whole show of ballads (unintelligible) and everyone would brought to tears, probably. But, you know, we do only a couple per show, so we have to select them, and I quite often select that one.
STONES: (Singing) Childhood living is easy to do.
BLOCK: Well, Mick Jagger, it's been great to talk to you. Thank you so much.
JAGGER: Nice to talk to you, Melissa, and I hope it all comes out for you well.
BLOCK: Thank you and likewise.
JAGGER: Bye-bye.
BLOCK: The new Rolling Stones collection is called "GRRR!". You can hear my interviews with the other three Stones at nprmusic.org.
STONES: (Singing) You know who I am. You know I can't let you slide through my hands. Wild horses couldn't drag me away. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.


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On Measuring and Calibration: The LG 50PZ950
I've got LG's new 50PZ950 plasma in my lab for an upcoming review in the magazine. The set had some cool features I didn't have space to mention, so I figured I could talk about them here instead.
The short version? It has some of the most extensive calibration settings I've ever seen on a TV.
And yet, they're not enough.
Nearly every modern television lets you adjust the color temperature. You can largely thank TV reviewers for that, since we've complained about it for so long. Because of the rapid pace at which TVs are assembled, it's impossible to get this color temperature calibrated perfectly at the factory. At least not across the entire grayscale. In other words, most TVs will have bright images that are warmer or cooler than their dark images. This is why TV calibration exists.
If you're not sure about the importance of color temperature, and you don't mind jumping away from the gorgeous new S+V website, I wrote a pretty elaborate article called What is color temperature, and why does it matter? over on CNET. It will open in a new window so you can keep reading here.
We TV reviewers (and ISF- and THX-trained calibrators), will calibrate a TV so its color temperature is consistent across the grayscale range. Usually, this is achieved by adjusting six controls: Red, green, and blue "gain" and red, green, and blue "bias" or "cutoff." The gain controls adjust the amount of each color with bright images, the bias controls adjust the same with dark images. You can think of these like the treble and bass controls on your stereo, a coarse correction for the top and bottom. "Dial" them in correctly, and you'll get a perfectly accurate white: not too red, not too blue, not too green.
In general, these do a decent job. You can dial in the color temperature on most modern TVs pretty well using these six controls. To the extent, at least, that the grayscale is consistent enough that any differences are beyond the perception of the human eye/brain.
The 50PZ950, though, brings calibration to a whole new level. Instead of coarse gain and bias controls, you get a 20-step RGB adjustment. You can fine-tune the grayscale at 5-IRE increments. It's like having a graphic equalizer for your TV, ensuring perfectly accurate color temperature across the entire grayscale range.
But like a storied audio authority once opined, "Equalizers are like chainsaws in the hands of babies." Having this much adjustability means it will take your ISF or THX calibrator much longer to calibrate your TV. The end result may be better, but it's doubtful it will be better enough (as compared to the adjustment achieveable with regular gain/bias controls) to be noticeable. Alternatively, you can choose the old-school two-step RGB controls. But if that level of detail is there, wouldn't you want to use it?
An additional problem is the menu within which you make the adjustments is bright and huge (see picture). So huge and bright, in fact, that the additional light it emits affects the readings of the measurement meter. Once you take the menu away . . . the meter reads differently. Imagine spending an hour dialing in the TV, then taking the menu away, and it measures measurably warmer. Doh!
Lastly, even though there's a multi-step, color decoder adjustment section of the menu, there isn't any way to adjust the actual color points. And that ends up being important.
In the end, I'm glad to have lots of adjustments, and would like even more. It doesn't cost those who never use them anything, and for those of us who tweak TVs, it's awesome. In this TV's case, though, I would have liked a few more adjustments, and a better thought out menu to adjust them with.
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must have thought of the joke on his own. I am not going to settle for a "Oh well xkcd did it better anyway" because that is not a justification for stealing. So give me your best defense.


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KDE.org: New Design, New Implementation
The KDE Web Team is proud to present a new and exciting design for the official KDE site! This is the first overhaul of the flagship homepage since Kurt's vastly successful update more than two years ago. The KDE Web Team has maintained a focus on standards-compliance as well as improved the overall usability and accessibility of the site. Also featured prominently is an overhaul of the content as well as the implementation of a whole new design matching the shiny new Keramik/Crystal look from KDE 3.1.
Over the next few weeks and months, even more of the KDE.org family of sites will be migrated over to the new target. Meanwhile, feedback and bug reports are welcome at [email protected]. Maintainers of KDE mirrors: Please take note of the updated requirements for hosting mirrors due to internal changes.
The new maintainers of KDE.org are Christoph Cullmann, Rainer Endres, and Jason Bainbridge. The design of the new website is based on work by Sebastian Faubel.
Chris Howells, Dirk Mueller, Olaf Jan Schmidt, Datschge and Neil Stevens have contributed at various levels performing either invaluable grunt work or contributing designs and ideas.
There are also many people who have also contributed feedback and fixes -- please let us know if we have forgotten anyone who should be listed here.
Huge kudos go out to any and all who have been involved!
A note from Christoph Cullmann:
The whole process of redesigning and restructuring of kde.org began at the end of 2002. After many heated discussions, a multitude of drafts and a lot of fun, we finally reached a state that we felt deserved deployment.
What has been done?
We hope to port over the remaining KDE pages in time. If you wish to help in this process or otherwise contribute new artwork, patches or bug reports, please contact us at [email protected].
As one of the new maintainers of KDE.org I would like to thank the people involved in redesigning process for their invaluable contributions. I sincerely hope that users will enjoy the new website, and find it a worthy replacement to the old one.
Hmm... doesn't validate
Check out:
the sight doesn't validate ( but it's admirably close, clearly they
By Ed Warnicke at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Hmm... doesn't validate
That's okay... Your post doesn't validate with a dictionary, either. :)
'the sight' -> 'the site'.
"but it's admirably close, clearly they were trying"
You too :)
::grins and legs it::
By Dawnrider at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
This Page Is Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional!
By Navindra Umanee at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Fixed!
Yep, thx to Jason, he submited the patch first ;)
By Christoph Cullmann at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: Fixed!
So, put the WC3 passed logo on it!
By James Richard Tyrer at Thu, 2003/03/06 - 6:00am
Re: Fixed!
It's broken again.
By Phil at Fri, 2003/03/21 - 6:00am
Looks ok
Hmmm looks ok, the spacing between lines of text is a little big though, and I reckon the text should be left-justified, it's easier to read.
Oh well just personal opinion. Looks ok but maybe not 100% professional... actually I prefer the GNOME website, simpler and cleaner. Just IMHO. Seeya.
By foo at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Looks ok
Gnome.org? You can't really mean that random mix
By Martin at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Looks ok
Yes I meant gnome.org. It has a plain white background, the text is normal, it just looks plain. And (again I say IMHO) plain is good for me. Personally I prefer fonts like Times - you say it's not suitable for the internet, but I like it, and as far as I know, I'm using the internet and looking at webpages right now. Therefore it must be suitable for some people :-/
I won't comment on clothes, it's not really relevant. But for user interface design I will say this: icon themes, window manager themes, widget themes etc. don't really amount to much. They are only important when the applications themselves have decent interfaces (layout, placement, interaction). But unfortunately there are far too many apps for KDE and GNOME and whatever else that have awful, cheap, hacked-together interfaces. No amount of themes and icons can change or mask this. Of course this isn't exclusive to KDE.
Anyway, I looked at the KDE website again - it looks worse than it did the first time! Looks cheap to me. Large sans-serif fonts look cheap to me. Search button on the right is too wide. Bla bla bla... just in my eyes. Seeya.
By foo at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Looks ok
I agree with this poster. The new KDE site is using way too large of fonts. It really looks messy. The big blue headers everywhere also are a bit much, perhaps if they were just that blue color as a border, than the gray color within it would look better.
Anyways, it's not terrible, it's very nice. I especially like the new logo up in the header area, very tasteful.
As for the guy who seems to know what everyone should be wearing and what fonts need to be used for web sites, give it a break buddy, it's called taste. You can say everyone who's taste differs from your own is tasteless, but that'd make you an idiot. Although I agree that sans serif looks better, if it was meant to be the font used on the internet, then why when not specifying a font does it default to serif?
By Travis Emslander at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: Looks ok
"The new KDE site is using way too large of fonts."
It uses the font-size configured in your browser. If you don't like it, configure your browser the way you want.
"Although I agree that sans serif looks better, if it was meant to be the font used on the internet, then why when not specifying a font does it default to serif?"
Probably because that's a decision made for mosaic, and every mainstream browser since then has put far too much effort into retaining the default look of existing browsers.
There are legitimate reasons for choosing serif over sans-serif and vice-versa, that don't have anything to do with style. Where they can be rendered appropriately, serif fonts are quicker to read. However, at low resolutions or small sizes, serifs cannot be rendered well, and sans-serif is quicker to read.
(Can't seem to choose HTML as an encoding option at the moment, sorry for the formatting).
By Jim Dabell at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
This Shames GNOME
GNOME has been working on their new website for years. They pulled in top guns from Ximian and even their release manager but niet.
By anon at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Lovely Improvement but...
The font size is very big. it should be the same size as it used to be. The big font looks ugly.
By Rizwaan at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Why not hire a real designer ? Was: Lovely Improve
Although I appreciate the work on the new site, I think it could really look a bit more professional, or simply not so "coulorful" and wild ...
As already said, the space between the lines would be a good point to fix. And what about the colors - the make the site look like a toy-store.
I'd suggest two long-term-solutions :
o) Hire a professional designer (or become one =)
Sorry, but this is my opinion ... :(
By Marc at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Lovely Improvement but...
But big fonts are much more readable. Personally way to many sites make the mistake of looking good at the expense of usability.
By theorz at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: Lovely Improvement but...
The question is simple: Why should we use the font size "small" instead of "normal" for the content text ? That size is relative to your settings, why enforce users which have set their "normal" textsize to something usable to use "small" and therefor perhaps "too small" text only because somebody can't configure his browser right ?
By Christoph Cullmann at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: Lovely Improvement but...
I bet you're using IE, aren't you?
In Konqueror and Mozilla, you can explicitly set the preferred font size, but in IE you're restricted to View->Text Size. I couldn't find a way of changing "normal" in IE to be a smaller font size, and if I use "smaller" some sites are too small. IE has no minimum font size either.
I fixed it for me by not using IE. You can't do that for other people though, so on my sites I did this in the style sheet for IE users only:
body, td, th { font-size: 80%; }
All of the other font sizes must then be relative and not explicit (eg: "larger", "smaller" or "xx%" instead of "normal", "large" etc). Other elements will inherit the parent element's font size, and adjustments will be relative to the inherited size.
I think the KDE site would benefit from doing the same.
-- Steve
By Steve at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: Lovely Improvement but...
You want to watch out when using hacks like that. The default font-size for IE 4 - 6 (in quirks mode) is small, which makes the 80% very small indeed.
If you only test in IE 6 (in standards-compliant mode), you won't catch this, as it uses the proper default, medium.
Why not just let your users view the site using the setting they want?
By Jim Dabell at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Perfect but...
Very good.
So I have an item in my wishlist : I want Konqueror to kept the previous stylesheet I choose in the "Stylesheet" menu after I close and reopen it. I don't want anymore that websites use cookies to do so.
Rmq :
By Shift at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Perfect but...
Page validates now again ;) At least the front-page ;). Some other pages may still be invalid, but with the huge masses of pages we have will take some time to clean up them all, but we will trying it hard ;))
By Christoph Cullmann at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
problem with no javascript
I use Netscape 4.7.8 un SuSE linux.
Q: it is possible to get it working without JavaScript ?
( the old site worked without JavaScript too)
By Andreas Otto at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: problem with no javascript
Netscape 4.x only takes care of style sheets if Java Script is enabled, does'nt it?
By pipesmoker at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: problem with no javascript
Arrgh, Netscape 4.7 without JavaScript??? In 2003???
By Martin at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: problem with no javascript
Please !!!
This browser is horrible and it doesn't respect the standards. It is a waste of time for webmasters to try to create web pages compatible with it :(
By Shift at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: problem with no javascript
It's not a waste of time at all. If you @import all your styles, netscape 4.x shouldn't pay any attention to them, which makes it equivelent to a browser without any css support whatsoever. If your sites don't work in non-css browsers, then you are doing something very wrong.
By Jim Dabell at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: problem with no javascript
It works without CSS, but if you think you can get a nice colorfull experience without CSS than you are wrong, as that would cause the use of color and font tags which will break any alternate stylesheet ;) It is usable, it is readable, it even works in text browsers (even with layout if they support tables and even with content before navigation if not).
By Christoph Cullmann at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: problem with no javascript
I was replying to the person who said it was a waste of time to consider netscape 4.x when building a site. I never implied that kde.org was broken in any way without css.
Using things like the element should not break user stylesheets. If they do, then the user-agent is broken. Styling added with presentational html elements and attribute have a low specificity, so anything done in css should automatically override it.
I do, however, think that it's a mistake to build a site with a fairly simple layout using table hacks today. Perhaps it was acceptable a couple of years ago, but browser support has come along very well recently, and imho it really isn't that important to have older browsers have 100% of the experience of recent browsers at the expense of well-coded alternative user-agents.
I also think it's a mistake to develop the site in accordance with IE 6 quirks mode. The xml declaration is redundant, and the only thing it really achieves is to make sure that IE 6 doesn't follow the relevent web standards.
By Jim Dabell at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: problem with no javascript
I now the @import tips but it is always a hack.
I consider that Netscape4.x is dead and that you can upgrade with other browsers following w3c standards very easily.
By Shift at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: problem with no javascript
@import isn't a particularly bad hack, it's valid css. If your server is configured correctly, it's usually a matter of a few bytes the first time you access a site that uses it.
I don't see what precludes alternate stylesheets with @import, unless there is a browser bug I don't know about that affects this combination. Most of my stylesheets get automatically shielded with @import by using a combination of mod_rewrite and a simple php script.
The biggest obstacle to xhtml support on the web is internet explorer, it still doesn't support it. ie6 will be in use for years to come, essentially blocking proper use of xhtml for that timeframe (xhtml as text/html is a hack that only works because no browser implements html properly).
By Jim Dabell at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: problem with no javascript
By Christoph Cullmann at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
broken link
sorry I have to post a broken link in the news section because
URL: http://developer.kde.org/build/compile_kde2.html
Broken link: ftp://download.kde.org/stable/2.2.2/
By Andreas Otto at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: broken link
Look to your left, under communicate there is a contacts link.
By KDE Turist Guide at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
old webpages
Are all the old webpages archived somewhere (other than cvs)? It's always quite funny to look at old webpages, and I wodner how kde's first page looked.
Isn't there also some internet-archive where you can have a look at i.e. microsoft's first attempt of a website?
By me at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: old webpages
Yes, let the Wayback Machine take you back.
It also has Microsoft from 1996 :)
By Haakon Nilsen at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Wow. Look what Miquel had to say in 1997 about kde
By kannister at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: old webpages
By Chris Howells at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: old webpages
By Per Jarle at Sat, 2005/11/19 - 6:00am
Hey, looks good!
Good work on the site guys! I think it look much nicer than the old one!
By esuvs at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Is it just me or does the new design somehow remind me of Microsoft.com? Look at all the blue.
And the spacing between lines should be a bit smaller...
By Stof at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Resemblance
That's what I thought. The layout is very similar too. I think the older site was a little more appealing because of the more varied colors.
By Rayiner Hashem at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: Resemblance
Yea it kind of does. Its more or less the color scheme though. As far as web-page layouts go and
But I like it on a whole. I'd give the old layout about a B- and the new layout about a B+/A-
If they ad a ton of goddy flash with sfx for everything, I'll give it an auto A+ heh.
By Super PET Troll at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Re: Resemblance
Shades of Blue just work better, visually.
By kannister at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
Sorry, I dont like the new look
I don't like the new look, here's why:
By Stefan at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Sorry, I dont like the new look
I don't completely like the new look either. It's a good start, but I think it can easily be made a bit better.
The 'clean' design is great, but I think it has been overdone a bit. I especially like the new K Desktop Environment logo on the current page; the light blue look is good, the font is very well chosen. On the other hand, the screenshot mentioned above looks a bit too 'cluttered', but has some very cool elements.
For example, I think it would look better if the 'gray' menu backgrounds where changed into the light blueish color as shown in the screenshot above.
Of course, where would the Open Source community be if everyone one just said 'I want it this way', and then sat on their ass and waited until someone fixed it...so, I deployed my 1337 Gimp-skills *cough*, and made up some quick&dirty screenshots to show what I mean....I combined some elements of both 'themes'.
Shot 1: nothing changed, only the menu now has a lightblue background. Looks a lot better IMHO. Maybe the blue should be even lighter then shown here.
Shot 2: I think the font in the 'other' theme's menu looks a lot better (maybe that's just my browser messing up though). Also, the blue bars are a bit smaller, maybe some of the 'eye candy' fits in as well...you get the idea. This is a real quick mockup, you can see that the bars are not equally big etc., but it's just to give a quick impression of what it could look like.
Any comments on this?
By Wilke at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Sorry, I dont like the new look
Oops, the 'other theme' I'm referring to is actually below this message, not above. But you get the idea :)
By Wilke at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Sorry, I dont like the new look
I really like second one.
By Guenter Schwann at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Sorry, I dont like the new look
The second screenshot looks fantastic.
By David Walser at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Sorry, I dont like the new look
Very nice. I hope your changes are incorporated.
By Anonymous at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am
Re: Sorry, I dont like the new look
The second picture is light years ahead of the current design .. that is how agonising it is to design websites .. just a few small changes can make a world of difference.
Please incorporate these changes.
By Sparky at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am
This one looks better imo
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Nine hours into the Rolex 24 the No. 01 Ganassi Racing BMW Riley continued its assault over Daytona International Speedway's 3.56-mile road course.
After nine hours, Chip Ganassi Racing continued to dominate the Rolex 24 field.
The No. 01 TELMEX/Target BMW Riley Daytona Prototype, driven by Scott Pruett, held first place by 2.192 seconds over Ganassi's No. 2 Target/TELMEX BMW Riley DP, driven by Scott Dixon.
The top seven Daytona Prototypes remained on the lead lap.
The Action Express Racing No. 5 Corvette DP, driven by Christian Fittipaldi, moved into third.
The No. 30 NGT Motorsport Porsche GT3, driven by Sean Edwards, moved to the front of the pack in the GT division – holding a 19.5-second lead over Oliver Jarvis in the Alex Job Racing's No. 24 Audi R8. The Bum Rum Racing No. 13 Audi, driven by Markus Winkelhock, was in third.
The Napleton Racing No. 16 Porsche Cayman remained in front of the GX class, with the BGB No. 38 Porsche Cayman three laps behind in second.
Eight hours into the Rolex 24 and pole-sitter Scott Pruett is back out in front the field.
Pruett's No. 01 TELMEX/Target Chip BMW Riley Daytona Prototype led under full-course caution after Kevin Estre's No. 18 Nehiner Motorsports American Porsche went off at Turn 5 and could not get going – bringing out the yellow.
Pruett passed Max Angelelli's No. 10 Velocity Motorsports Corvette DP and Scott Dixon's No. 02 Target/TELMEX BMW Riley. The top six Daytona Prototypes were on the lead lap.
The No. 24 Alex Job Racing Audi R8, driven by Filipe Albuquerque, led the GT class. Shane Lewis led the GX class in the Napleton Racing No. 16 Porsche Cayman. He was three laps ahead of Ryan Everlsey in the No. 38 BGB Motorsports Porsche Cayman.
The beat goes on for the No. 01 Ganassi Racing BMW Riley, which had established itself as the clear favorite to win the Rolex 24 At Daytona.
Seven hours into the twice-around-the-clock endurance race, the No. 01 had completed 219 laps.
There were eight Daytona Prototypes on the lead lap. The overall lead had changed hands 10 times.
While there was plenty of bumping and banging around the 3.56-mile road course, there had been only three full-course cautions.
Six hours into the Rolex 24 the No. 01 Ganassi Racing BMW Riley continued its assault over Daytona International Speedway's 3.56-mile road course.
The No. 01 machine had turned 192 laps while the crew performed flawless pit stops, including front brake pad changes in under two minutes.
The No. 10 Corvette DP was giving chase, a little more than 14 seconds behind the leader.
The No. 69 Ferrari topped the GT class while the GX class had become a two-car battle between the No. 16 and No. 38 Porsche Caymans. They were 24 laps behind the overall leader, but in an intense duel for position.
With Juan Pablo Montoya at the wheel, the No. 01 Ganassi Racing BMW-Riley powered back to the lead in the Rolex 24 At Daytona, with a best lap time of 1.43.331.
Running in second was the No. 10 Corvette, driven by Ryan Hunter-Reay; followed by the No. 9 Corvette, driven by Mike Rockenfeller; the No. 99 Corvette driven by Jon Fogarty and the No. 2 Ford Riley, with Ryan Dalziel at the wheel.
Drivers stopping by the media center said the pair of Ganassi cars were clearly the fastest.
Allan McNish, who briefly led in the No. 2 Ford Riley, told the media: "I think it's quite clear we're not quick enough at the moment."
But at 9:30 p.m. the other Ganassi car, the No. 02 BMW Riley had dropped to sixth place.
The No. 2 Ford Riley, shared by Ryan Dalziel, Alex Popow, Sebastien Bourdais and Allan McNish, powered to the lead four hours into the twice-around-the-clock marathon.
While the No. 01 BMW Riley surrendered the lead, it was hardly dealt a knockout blow. The Daytona Prototype was 42.329 seconds behind the leader. That amounts to the blink of an eye in endurance racing.
Rounding out the top three was the No. 10 Corvette DP, virtually on the rear bumper of the No. 01 machine.
The No. 63 Ferrari continued to be best in GT class, while the GX leader was the No. 16 Porsche Cayman.
The defending race champion, the No. 60 Ford Riley, was crawling back into view after a lengthy pit stop in the first hour of competition. The No. 60 was 13th, four laps behind the leaders.
"We need to go pedal-to-the-metal and we need cautions," No. 60 co-driver Oswaldo Negri Jr. said.
The No. 01 Ganassi Racing BMW Riley looks like a car on mission as it continues to lead the field in the Rolex 24 At Daytona.
As the sun fell in the west, the Scott Pruett-led No. 01 pole-winner was maintaining the lead over a dozen other challengers Saturday evening at Daytona International Speedway.
The No. 2 Ford Riley moved up to second place, just 0.399 seconds behind the leader. The No. 02 BMW Riley was third.
Daytona Prototypes were the top 13 cars on the leaderboard. The top GT-class entry was the No. 63 Ferrari. The highest running GX car was the No. 16 Porsche Cayman.
There were two full-course cautions in the first three hours of competition.
The average speed of the No. 01 car was 123.629 mph.
NASCAR Sprint Cup Series driver Clint Bowyer, driving the No. 56 Ferrari, said he was enjoying his Rolex 24 debut.
"I can feel the hype, the buzz down here in the pits," Bowyer said. "It's certainly like the Daytona 500. Our 500-mile races are nothing compared to racing 24 hours."
Scott Pruett did two driving shifts to start the Rolex 24 At Daytona, and at one point he had the third-place car gapped by 22 seconds.
Pruett, 52, who drives the pole-winning No. 01 BMW Riley, posted 63 laps after two hours of competition.
"We're running real good," the four-time Rolex 24 winner said. "It takes two laps for the car to get going with new tires. You can carve your way through traffic. You have to pick your way through the (slower) GT cars."
The No. 10 Corvette DP was second with Max Angelelli at the wheel.
"Our car is really good," Angelelli said. "We'll see."
The No. 63 Ferrari was top in the GT class, and the No. 16 Porsche Cayman was leading the GX class.
After two hours, Pruett averaged 123.930 mph over the 3.56-mile road course.
Scott Pruett didn't drive like a 52-year-old man at the start of the Rolex 24 At Daytona.
He was wheeling the pole-winning No. 01 Ganassi Racing BMW Riley like he stole the machine, gapping the second-place car by more than eight seconds in the first hour of competition.
Pruett logged 34 laps over the 3.56-mile road course. Only nine other Daytona Prototypes were scored on the lead lap. Pruett's average speed was a blazing 124.606 mph.
Defending Rolex 24 champion, the No. 60 Michael Shank Racing Ford Riley, went to the pits only 38 minutes into the race for repairs or as Grand-Am reported, "Almost an entire front end change."
Scott Dixon, behind the wheel of the No. 02 Ganassi BMW Riley, was running second. The No. 6 Ford Riley was third in line.
John Potter was pacing the GT class in the No. 44 Porsche GT3 Cup while Shane Lewis was at the top of the new GX class. Lewis drives the No. 16 Porsche Cayman.
The infield at Daytona International Speedway was packed with fans, cars and RVs as the green flag dropped for the 51st running of the race.
The final grid showed a 57-car field, including 17 of the marquee Daytona Prototypes, which formed the front pack of cars. They are joined by 44 GT sportscars and six of the new GX class sedans.
The weather is ideal for an outdoor event. The sun is bright and the air temperature was a cool-feeling 77 degrees at the Speedway.
"The weather is perfect, the crowd is awesome," Speedway president Joie Chitwood III said. "There's energy in the air. I think we are going to have a great race."
Chip Ganassi Racing with Felix Sabates started the race with the top-two grid positions. Pruett started from the pole with the No. 02, piloted by Dixon, on the outside pole position.
Before the race started, racing icon A.J. Foyt made an appearance, and grand marshal Hurley Haywood, who has a record five Rolex 24 crowns, gave the command to fire engines.


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LinuxPlanet: A Look at KDE2
LinuxPlanet is the first one out with a closer look at KDE 2.0. "For years we've many of us made excuses for our Linux desktops. They did what we wanted, and what we wanted that they didn't do we learned to live without in order to take advantage of the robustness of the underlying operating system. But with KDE2 we no longer have to apologize for our desktops. Even with that annoying menu bug, KDE2 is the best desktop I've ever used on any platform." The bug that Dennis refers to was fixed a while back, and thankfully does not occur in the default KDE2 config. Update 10/26 9:20 AM by N: This bug is actually not present in the final KDE 2.0, it was found and squashed before the final release.
Nice article
that made me want to install KDE2.0 right away.
Now, I'm just waiting for Bero to fix that RH 7.0 thingie, so it won't overwrite my KDE 1.2 settings.
Bero wrote something on Slashdot three days ago, but I haven't seen any remarks lately.
Any news on that front?
By Torben Skolde at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: LinuxPlanet: A Look at KDE2
Did they really gave their own opinion about KDE?
This is not flame, just my experience and opinion.
I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
Not to take anything away from the KDE guys, this is a wonderful achievement and I love them. However, they have squandered somewhat the moral
1) Kmail. Sometimes gets mail from the server and drops it into the ether. Thankfully I tested it before switching my mailbox over.
2) The Kpanel is terribly buggy. I cannot add any applications to the panel. The icon appears on the panel, but when I click on it, I
3) Konqueror crashes reliably under many circumstances. Clicking on a postscript file displays it correctly once. If I click "back" and
4) I hate to say this, but Koffice is unuseably buggy. Sometimes, it crashes while doing common operations. (Creating a table of
5) Knode has not crashed on me so far, but there are so many small things that do not work right that I gave up on it.
KDE developers, here's hoping that 2.01 will get here quickly! And that brings me to another point:
By Magnus Pym at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: I DON'T agree, just too many annoying bugs.
Why didn't you test KDE 2 in the release candidate stage then? To take the final and say it's wrong doesn't cut it for anyone, not even you...
Please: If you write HTML code then write correct code. An ending tag like </p> does imply there is a corresponding opening tag...
That's the reason your post doesn't render correctly under konqueror. By the way I just tested the opening of ps-files in this konqueror several times and as you see it didn't core dump or do anything stupid...
By Karl Günter Wünsch at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: I DON'T agree, just too many annoying bugs.
Why didn't you test KDE 2 in the release candidate stage then? To take the final and say it's wrong doesn't cut it for anyone, not even you...
(Raises hand) Maybe Magnus didn't, but I did.
I tested KDE 1.91 through to the final release...and you know what? I could see comments like this comming. When the release date only shifted by a week, and it still had substantial showstoppers, I expected that the 2.0 release would not be stable enough to recommend. KDE 2.0 is interesting -- as a preview. The beta and pre-releases were exceedingly difficult to compile and install, thus cutting into my ability to comment on it at all...let alone contribute.
Take this as someone who doesn't have a clue, or is not paying attention, or is just stupid if you want...I don't expect much different.
The typical process I'd follow to test KDE went something like this; wipe dedicated KDE 2.x test system clean, check directions, read mailing list, grab source or RPMs and compile/install, encounter showstopper, check mailing list, add/update supporting files, wipe out KDE 1.x and 1.9x, run Gnome to verify X is OK, recompile from source, compile and install, other showstopper, wipe out test system and reinstall OS, told 'use CVS', used CVS (scant directions), recompile and install, encounter other showstopper, told 'RedHat has it out for KDE', update more supporting files, told 'obviously you don't know what you're doing', .... Maybe I don't, maybe I didn't have the right libraries and the right environment settings, but you can't fault me for trying!
At one point early in the 1.9x series when I had a partially working test system, I offered to give some time creating KOffice templates (open job #10?), but nobody seemed interested in the offer. Maybe they knew how much of a moron I was. Either way, last time I checked the job was still unclaimed.
I'm about to wipe out my CVS copy again and give it another try...maybe 2.0+ will be better? Can you blame me for being unenthusiastic at this point? Probably...
By Andy Longton at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: I DON'T agree, just too many annoying bugs.
Andy, what does it say when a lot of people find KDE2 stable and very usable, and you don't? Perhaps could it be something you're doing wrong? Like maybe you could have a corrupt .kde from all the betas and alphas you have been testing?
Or else you have a vastly different idea of what a "showstopper" is. Every little bug is not a showstopper. Crashes and instability or dangerous behavior are.
By KDE User at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: I DON'T agree, just too many annoying bugs.
KDE User, read the ... well ... KDE User mailing list. Archives if you have to. In the past few days, the advice has ranged from 'compile from source' to redhat/mandrake/SuSE 'are doing something wrong'. Yet, the directions aren't consistant, and change as new people report different problems. Ignore the evidence of others if you want.
Showstopper: A defect that makes a system unusable as designed where there are no user-level workarounds. (If you want other definitions, I'll consult my VV&T notes...though they are substantially the same.)
Examples: Taskbar, Control Center, and Konq. dying. KDE 1.x apps not working or not working at all or as usual. Failure of KDE 2.x to load completely.
I'll use KDE 2.0, but I'm not under any illusions that it's high quality software at this time. It has promise...it's just not there yet. (But, why listen to me. I'm obviously a moron or a troll.)
By Andy Longton at Thu, 2000/10/26 - 5:00am
Re: I DON'T agree, just too many annoying bugs.
With a name like Andy, you most certainly must be a troll.
I realize this thread is probably dead, since October was 8 months ago and KDE 3 is now out. However, I hope Andy is notified of this response and reads it.
I represent a computer company in Washington state...no I'm not Bill Gates. We have installed KDE2 properly and have kept close watch over our production machine. KDE2 does crash and is not a finished product. In fact, I hesitate to call Linux and Linux-based software products. Only if the software is closed source would I consider it a product. Otherwise I would call them tools.
We would be repeating the sins of our fathers if we called our software finished while it is obviously not. Afterall, that is what Microsoft has always done.
KDE3 has not yet crashed on us, but I expect it too at least once in the next three months. I hope I am proven wrong.
Quirks in the placement of objects on the screen is usually not a showstopper. however, if it prohibits your use of the software then it is! Buttons not responding to activity is typically an issue of patience or dire need of ungrades, but I have seen programs in Linux exhibit this behavior authentically.
We could go on and on. KDE2 is a good desktop. It is better than Gnome in the respect of not having Nautilus integrated into the file browsing and every other creepy corner. Nautilus is a resource hog. Also, Gnome has a dark feel...trolls must prefer gnomes...they taste good. KDE has a light and cheerful look. I have had more programs fail to launch in Gnome than I have in KDE. The light feel and the ability to launch most programs are the two sole reasons we use KDE on every computer at our business. I think we'll stick with it.
By General REC at Fri, 2002/05/17 - 5:00am
Re: I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
Which version of KDE do you use?
I tested the kpanel (2) and the konqueror (3) and did the same things you described without any problems. What is you problem with KNode? I use it for more than 8 weeks and it works perfect for me. I am compiling from CVS but this will not make much difference to the final relase.
KOffice has indeed several bugs but every week things getting better. And comparing with M$ Office and StarOffice I like KOffice much more (it is faster and the others have bugs as well).
I agree with you critics about the upgrading mechanism of KDE. But if I remember correctly the KDE developers attack this problem and will update their packages more often.
ciao, Marco
By Marco Krohn at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
> Which version of KDE do you use?
Sorry, you wrote that you use KDE2.0, my fault.
By Marco Krohn at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
Sorry for the bad HTML formatting on the previous post.Are you saying that you cannot reproduce these bugs with your setup?
I have a Mandrake 7.1 system. I have compiled
Try the following:
K-Menu-> Panel Menu -> Add -> Application -> Internet -> Netscape.
The netscape icon appears on the panel. Now click on it. I get a window with the following message:
The desktop entry file
As for Konqueror, are you saying that you have no
I checked your claim about PS files. I made a mistake. The crashing depends on the specific PS file being opened. It looks like ps files made from dvips are handled without problem. I have a
For Kmail: I tested this and am able to observe cases when it obtained messages in the server and did not put the message into my inbox. I'm not sure about how to generate a test case for this, but I assure you that it does happen. Also, try sorting the messages in a folder based on the date. Every once in a while, the sorting goes haywire.
By Magnus Pym at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
As much as I used to like Mandrake, since 7.0 it's been exceedingly buggy. I've had similar problems with KDE2 pre-releases on Mandrake 7.1 that no one else seemed to have.
As much as I love Mandrake's install and configuration utils, I'm moving to Debian as soon as Woody is officially released.
By Aaron Traas at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
I have to agree about Mandrake. After having quite a few problems myself with 7.0 ( release versions of many apps wouldn't compile properly, or wouldnt run quite right once they did) which, from everything I could find out, I shouldn't have been having, I moved back to RedHat 6.2, and have hardly had a problem, since.
By Eddy at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
well I use the current CVS - so maybe some things have been fixed since KDE2, but I did not encounter such problems with pre-KDE2 versions
adding Netsacpe this way works fine for me
No problems with konqueror accepting URLs - even working for hours. There seems to be a problem with redirects and going BACK.
as for PS-files you might have problems with encrypted files.
as for kmail - I receive many mails per day which I fetch from my POP3 server - for many month I did not encounter a loss of mails.
as for sorting - did you check if the header shows "Date of arrival" - then it's sorted by the date of arrival but shows the actual date
hope that helps
By Ferdinand Gassauer at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
I am really not getting this. I have mandrake 7.1 with KDE 2 compiled in the /opt/kde2 directory and it has been practically perfect for me for about a month. I have the final release in now and it's great.
Obviously I cannot duplicate the bugs mentioned here. My question is did you compile QT too? I found that with the qt 2.2.1 rpm from Mandrake that it did not behave as expected and compiled qt myself to be sure. Additionally I found on at least one occasion during the beta process for some reason some residual files from when I moved qt giving me problems. I wiped the kde 2 directory and reinstalled.
Finally I have posted at virtualartisans.com/linux/mandrake/ my instructions for compiling KDE 2 on Mandrake 7.1. I can think of one other potential issue. The latest cooker seems to have gcc 2.96 for some reason. I would have thought something would have been learned from Red Hat's mistake. You should be compiling with gcc 2.95.2 preferably. (2.96 is a beta with C++ problems)
KDE 2 may be a hair short of flawless and still not have every conceivable application and feature however it has ceded nothing to any other desktop in terms of reliability or function. If you are having a bad experience it is not really rational to assume everyone else has somehow received hyper-functional code. ;-)
By Eric Laffoon at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Some improvement if you wipe out .kde2 and restart
Based on suggestions I received, I deleted
Maybe the baggage that remained in .kde2 from the
By Magnus Pym at Thu, 2000/10/26 - 5:00am
Re: Some improvement if you wipe out .kde2 and res
Woohoo! Good to hear.
Unfortunately, the taskbar does not "disengage" in KDE2. Some code was there, but the proper framework was not. It was decided that this feature would have to wait for KDE 2.1.
By Navindra Umanee at Thu, 2000/10/26 - 5:00am
Re: I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
I have to agree as well... Mandrake 7 and I've been using KDE 2 from CVS for around 3 months, no more problems than the known bugs. must admit, my mandrake is a very minimal install just the basics needed for a linux system.
By David at Fri, 2000/10/27 - 5:00am
Re: I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
I built KDE 2.0 from source on a RedHat 6.2 box
I've been running various KDE 2.0 betas since
I have experienced some crash problems with viewing PS files, but I think the problem is
In general, I'm quite impressed with KDE 2.0. I think Konqueror's web browsing is really good. I know of a few pages that have rendering glitches (but which are still perfectly usable). The main issues I have with it are Java and JavaScript related (some pages that use JavaScript for form submission don't work at all). But Konqueror has replaced Netscape as my
Moreover, as a platform for further development
Kyle Haight
By Kyle Haight at Thu, 2000/10/26 - 5:00am
Re: I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
I tried this (using knode instead of nutscrape). Worked fine. SOunds like you have some lone kde config file somewhere that is acting up. When I installed KDE 2.0 (compiled from source on Mandrake 7.1 without a KDE 1.1.2 install) I removed my old KDE 2.0 RC2 install and completely reinstalled it.
Everything works beautifully so far. And I can't wait for Mandrake 7.2
Oh yeah, posted using Konqueror...
By Tim_F at Thu, 2000/10/26 - 5:00am
KMail just fine
KMail has never dropped stuff in the ether for me! What are you talking about?
By David Simon at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
I installed KDE 2 final yesterday on my SuSE 7.0 and was very impressed. There is major progress im comparison to the last beta i had installed before (1.93)
But, nevertheless, there are some annoying bugs. Several applications crash without any obvious cause. Especially koffice seems rather unstable to me.
But the thing I'm most unhappy about is that i can't get working neither kscd nor kmidi. kscd simply doesn't recognize the cd, though it's no problem to play it with Xmcd, and kmidi crashes while starting...
Is there anyone who had similar problems and found a solution for them?
By Christoph Maurer at Thu, 2000/10/26 - 5:00am
Re: I agree, just too many annoying bugs.
1) Kmail. Sometimes gets mail from the server and drops it into the ether.
If you are using a pop server and can reproduce this bug then give me a mail and I'll try to help you debug the problem. (It doesn't have to happen on demand, even being able to reproduce it once every few days is enough).
If you use a local account you should ensure file locking is set up correctly as described in http://lists.kde.org/?l=kmail&m=97163225926136&w=2
It does sound as if KDE did not install correctly for you. I don't experience any of the problems you do with the apps I use. I have received somewhat similar complaints from people whose KDE installs have only partially succeeded. (But these people have not mentioned any mail losing bugs)
By Don Sanders at Fri, 2000/10/27 - 5:00am
Re: LinuxPlanet: A Look at KDE2
> This is not flame, just my experience and opinion.
Sorry, but it really sounds like a flame.
No insult intended, I just want to explain why one can think it is meant as a flame.
Ok, try to give us some examples of things that are unstable. Which apps are bad-designed or bad ported? Or even better write bug reports to bugs.kde.org. This will help us all to make kde a better place ;-)
ciao, Marco
By Marco Krohn at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: LinuxPlanet: A Look at KDE2
> Writing as anonymous and give just general statements like: "is an unstable beast" is typical for flamers.
I also wrote "in my experience"...
Re: LinuxPlanet: A Look at KDE2
> Ok, try to give us some examples of things that are unstable.
* Konqueror crash before I see the main window (beta 2 is much more stable).
Yes I'm using KDE 2.
Re: LinuxPlanet: A Look at KDE2
> Konqueror crash before I see the main window
Obviously an install issue. Do you think they'd release KDE2.0 if Konqueror had that problem? :)
>Focus system is terrible IMHO
So change it to whatever scheme suits you. Look in the control center.
>Some apps still looks ugly (like KEdit/KWrite)
How's that? Have you tried changing style/theme/icon theme?
>No floating toolbars like in KDE 1 and Gnome.
This I think will be back in KDE 2.1.
By Haakon Nilsen at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Caught you
You are obviously trolling since there is no KPaint in KDE2, is there? The paint app is pixie which Mosfet pulled at the last minute.
By KDE User at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
No, caught YOU!
Download kdeaddutils.rpm and see it for yourself.
And Pixie is not an image editor, but an image VIEWER!
Re: No, caught YOU!
Download kdeaddutils.rpm and see it for yourself.
Freaking confused people!!! kpaint is so not part of KDE 2 it is not even funny. You will find it in the nonbeta package and it has always been a seperate compile. The last work done on it was something like a year ago!
If your distro has included non release KDE programs in the package to have more stuff avaialble great. But... it is not part of the KDE 2 release. It is in a package of unstable applications available for people to bitch about.
That may not be trolling... but it is certainly getting to the bottom of the barrel.
I would say if you are looking this hard for reasons to dislike it then don't use it! Nobody here who enjoys the functionality and stability of KDE really cares about kpaint and if they did they would work on getting developers for it.
By Eric Laffoon at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: No, caught YOU!
For your information: Pixie is also an image editor. It has more than 20 filters you can aply
By Zeljko Vukman at Thu, 2000/10/26 - 5:00am
So what?
So Pixie has filters.
By Anonymous at Fri, 2000/10/27 - 5:00am
Re: So what?
No, when you change allready created images - you edit them (for example by applaying filters). When you draw lines, ovals, rectangles - you create images. Pixie is not an image creator, but it is an editor.
By Zeljko Vukman at Fri, 2000/10/27 - 5:00am
Re: LinuxPlanet: A Look at KDE2
i installed kde 1.9 and it was a mess
then ........
i trashed all the kde packages
worked first time .... impressive !!!
By Wavlane at Wed, 2000/11/22 - 6:00am
Re: LinuxPlanet: A Look at KDE2
yeah everybody seems to have problem with 2.0
i then backed up all kde's /lib
and installed all kde2 packages
rpm --nodeps --force -i *rpm
I have no problem Yet and installed kde2
By Wavlane at Wed, 2000/11/22 - 6:00am
Is there anyone out there willing to post their "top" output? I would like to get some idea of KDE2's footprint before trying it on my 64MB machine. Thanks.
By chris at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: Footprint
Y'll be pleased ;-)
The data collected come from a 64MB Pentium MMX 200MHz and XFree 4.
with SuSE 7.0 KDE2 rpms the minimal memory usage after startup is about 30MB
after opening kword,kspread,kmail,knode,kpm, konqueror webbrowser and konqueror filemanager, and kcontrol the "momory used" is 40MB.
hope that this convices you
By Ferdinand Gassauer at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Does SuSE enable exceptions in QT
You will gain about 2MB RAM with -no-exceptions
By anon at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: Footprint
how on earth can you run it on a 200mhz machine? i am compiling kde + qt from source (slackware 7.1) on a 450mhz machine w/96mb of ram and konqueror is intolerably slow. which pisses me off because i like its UI a lot and want to use it as my main browser!
what am i doing wrong - or, what could i do to increase performance? i compiled QT with no exceptions already... are there flags to kde to make it fast and small?
By steve havelka at Mon, 2000/10/30 - 6:00am
compile QT without exception handling !
I have a 64MO laptop.
By thil at Thu, 2000/10/26 - 5:00am
Re: Footprint
Well, I have kde2 running (as part of the Peanut distro) on a 150MHz system with only 68k memory. Loading takes about 25-30 sec.
It is noticeably slower than the kde-1 running on a similarly configured 120MHz system. But there's no other way I can run koffice, so I live with the slow performance.
By Ken at Thu, 2002/06/06 - 5:00am
Is focus follows mouse indeed broken?
The article mentions that menus don't work with focus follows mouse. Is that indeed the case? I was thinking about upgrading within the next couple of days, but this problem would certainly make me wait for the next release, as I use focus follows mouse all day.
By Claus Wilke at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: Is focus follows mouse indeed broken?
Not on SuSE 7.0
it works fine with Xfree 336 and 4.0.0 right out of the box
By Ferdinand Gassauer at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
Re: Is focus follows mouse indeed broken?
Great. That's the setup I wanted to try.
By Claus Wilke at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
You know you are being trolled when...
By KDE User at Wed, 2000/10/25 - 5:00am
HELP..viewing jpeg/gif
Hi all,
I don't why I can view a jpeg and gif file on my KDE2. I can't select a jpeg file as my bacground image either.
By jamal at Thu, 2000/10/26 - 5:00am
Re: HELP..viewing jpeg/gif
Don't use:
-system-libpng -system-jpeg
if they are not installed, maybe they are not. Have you installed kdegraphics???
By David at Fri, 2000/10/27 - 5:00am
Re: HELP..viewing jpeg/gif
How do I detect that my RH 6.1 has library jpeg and png that Qt using. What version of these libraries that works with QT-2.2.1?
By jamal at Sat, 2000/10/28 - 5:00am


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text: Thursday, November 01, 2012 BMJ Announces New Publishing Commitment Beginning 2013, BMJ will publish articles on drugs and devices only if the clinical trial data is made available for independent scrutiny—whether industry funded or not. In an editorial published October 29, BMJ Editor in Chief Fiona Godlee says the recent "brave and benevolent" decision by GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) to allow access to anonymous patient level data from its clinical trials "really serves to highlight the rank absurdity of the current situation. Why aren't all clinical trial data routinely available for independent scrutiny once a regulatory decision has been made?" Under GSK's new policy, an independent panel will assess all requests and access will be granted on the basis of a reasonable scientific question, a protocol, and a commitment from the researchers to publish their results. Godlee says it will be "particularly important to know how many requests are turned down and for what reasons." Godlee also writes that BMJ has intensified its efforts to help resolve a 3-year battle to gain access to full data on oseltamivir (Tamiflu). Taxpayers in the United Kingdom and around the world "have spent billions of dollars stockpiling a drug for which no one except the manufacturer has seen the complete evidence base," she says.


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The latest release of WSO2 Developer Studio is now available as a standalone Eclipse-based product and as a set of Eclipse plug-ins. The enterprise middleware company says it will address the challenges faced when deploying composite applications and web services both in the datacenter and in the cloud.
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This developer environment offered here features an IDE designed for application deployment on servers, in the cloud, or in a hybrid environment. As of this March, WSO2 Developer Studio 3.0 and 3.1 have arrived with application development and integration streamlining through the WSO2 Enterprise Service Bus (WSO2 ESB). New features include a WSO2 ESB Graphical Flow composition tool, WSO2 ESB REST API support, and WSO2 ESB Task support.
The latest release of WSO2's IDE also adds improvements to the Registry Resource Editor, and it has enhanced performance over previous versions of WSO2 Developer Studio. With version 3.1, WSO2's IDE adds support for Juno SR2, the newest release of Eclipse, as well as JAX-RS-based REST code generation using the Web Application Description Language (WADL).
Version 3.0 builds on WSO2 Developer Studio 2.0, which provides the tools for creating service-oriented architecture (SOA) applications, RESTful services, and composite applications based on the cloud-enabled WSO2 Carbon platform.
With WSO2's IDE, developers can create a Carbon Application (C-App) that includes services running on multiple WSO2 servers — for example WSO2 ESB, WSO2 Governance Registry, and WSO2 Application Server. After it is tested, the C-App then can be deployed into production on servers or in the cloud using a WSO2 Carbon Archive (CAR).
WSO2 vice president of engineering Samisa Abeysinghe says that WSO2 Developer Studio 3.0 enhances support for a nested architecture with Eclipse. This addresses one of the top architectural issues in Eclipse by enabling developers to create Eclipse projects within another project to provide flexible project structures. Using WSO2's IDE, users can maintain the same view of how the projects are organized in the file system from Eclipse, as well as the normal flat project structure view supported by Eclipse, irrespective of the project structure in the file system. WSO2 Developer Studio achieves this by creating filters that work with Eclipse, which WSO2 will be contributing back to the Eclipse project.


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