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For a response to the many comments below, see Meet the Islamoantipatheists.
Thursday, 31 January 2013
Review: BBC3 'Make Me a Muslim'
For a response to the many comments below, see Meet the Islamoantipatheists.
70 comments:
I've noticed that the only whites who convert are disturbed individuals, a useful quality in potential suicide bombers.ReplyDeleteReplies
Ian, also isn't it strange that when a muslim marries a non-muslim, its ALWAYS the non-mulsim who converts because they always fall for the lines; "My religion is important to me and if you love me, you will join me in it"...or "my family say they will be ok with me marrying you as long as you show the respect by converting".Delete
Unfortunately, with democracy, everyone gets a vote no matter how stupid they are and with the ever growing muslim population & sleazy politicians begging for any numerous vote, it won't be long until islam dictates much more in everyone's life.
Their mantra:Delete
"Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."
The weak-willed converts are no doubt reciting this as I type. Islam has brought nothing but misery and death to the world and these idiots sign up for it!
Apologies to SRB and Roadhog: I've accidentally deleted your comments (one of the hazards of using a smartphone). Any chance of reposting?ReplyDelete
I was scrolling through the Sky TV guide and saw the programme listed and beside it was, surprise surprise, BBC3!ReplyDelete
Typical BBC with their pro-islam, left-wing, politically correct agenda. I do wonder why on earth I continue paying for a TV license. Seriously, is there anything worth watching created by this useless organisation?
Guys if these girls decided to be nuns it wouldnt be such an issue. Yes there are bad minorities in every community, but most muslims who adhere to their faith are good lowkey family orientated people. If indian/pakistani their indo-pak culture may get in the way yes, but their religion is good. There is nothing in islam that teaches badness. These girls want to be muslim so that is entirely their business. People should be allowed to do as they wish as long as they are not hurting or offending anyone.If a man wishes to honour a second wife with marriage it is far better than treating her as a mistress or prostitute! We know how many men visit mistresses and hookers! Lets not make assumptions regarding the no. of first cousin marriages and benefit cheating, it does happen but is not that common.ReplyDeleteReplies
"There is nothing in islam that teaches badness." - Are you serious? Islam is all about violence! Even their 'religious' texts (and I use the word religious very loosely)contain numerous references to violence. Here are just a few examples to refresh your memory:Delete
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"
Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
^ These guys seriously think stones talk now? Jeez, how comical!
Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'
Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us"
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 327: - "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."
OK, that's just a few. Do you want me to continue, or can you now see that the islamic ideology (it's definitely NOT a religion), is nothing more than a dictatorship in many respects. A simple case of 'do as we say or die'.
I agree with what you have said but as I live in Birmingham and work for the dhss I can tell you your last paragraph is wrong 'Delete
Ok Anonymous. Well. You having a bunch of quotes from a book, quite clearly having not studied them in any particular depth with anyone who knew what they were talking about (you didn't actually explain any of it - when you examine a text and make judgements, that isn't how you do it) isn't how to gain in an argument.Delete
As for 'do as we say or die', if you look at the Muslims in the generation after the Prophet Muhammad (one could without argument refer to as those who practiced a much purer form of Islam) who conquered the now 'Muslim' lands in the Middle east and South east Asia, acutally didn't 'covert' the rest of the population. It wasn't live within our 'ideology' (not even going to go there) or die. That isn't how they became Muslim lands. The people of the land weren't forced to do anything except that they continued as they were. The laws of their land weren't changed, and if you look at the statistics, they actually didn't force anyone to becoming Muslim. They became Muslim because they loved the life that the people were living. It wasn't until hundreds of years later that these populations were 70-80% Muslim. Ok, you don't agree with it, fine, I'm not asking you to. But make honest effort to understand it. Don't make judgements as you did, largely based on the actions of some maniacs spread about the news and quotes from a book you don't understand (May I say translations at that) but read and study and then speak.
Yeah, the old "you've taken them out of context" schtick. Very good.Delete
Islamic doctrine is clear, and simple to understand. That's why ten year old goat herders in Afghanistan get it, as do illiterate farmhands in upper Egypt. Islam is perfectly simple. The doctrine itself says it is a univeral message for all people for all time, so why would it be complex? History is against you with respect to what you say about countries becoming Islamic. The options were 1) become muslim 2) become a dhimmi 3) leave 4) be killed. Many people chose 2 or 3. So they weren't forced to become Muslims, were they? But they were third rate citizens in a system where muslim males are at the top, and everyone else is underneath.
"quotes from a book you don't understand (May I say translations at that) but read and study and then speak."
What book? The Koran? or are you referring to Sahih Bukhari/Muslim or Ishaq? Make it clear. The Koran is very easy to understand. My English translation is published and certified as authentic by the Al Azhar University in Cairo. Are you telling me that Al Azhar Uninversity, the foremost doctrinal authority in Sunnni Islam, the Nearest Islamic equivalent to The Vatican City, is wrong? And that YOU know better than they do? You'll be telling me I don't understand Islam because I can't speak Arabic next...
I understand Islam perfectly well. It is a political ideology and legal system, with religious components. The religious components are the smallest part, but operate as a cover, allowing the political ideology to operate unhindered. Islam is 60% politics, 40% religion. I couldn't care less about the religious parts, because as a non-muslim, they have nothing to do with me. Islamic doctrine says so. You're welcome to those parts. Good luck with them. But the remainder is my business, because it's about ME, and every other non-muslim in the world.
forced conversions have occurred during Islamic history...cases include the conversion of Samaritans to Islam at the hands of the rebel Ibn Firāsa,onversions in the 12th century under the Almohad dynasty of North Africa and Andalusia, as well as in Persia under the Safavid dynasty and Jews were converted to Islam. A form of forced conversion became institutionalized during the Ottoman Empire in the practice of devşirme, a human levy in which Christian boys were seized and collected from their families (usually in the Balkans), enslaved, converted to Islam, and then trained for high ranking service to the sultan.Delete
More recently, in 2001 the Indonesian army evacuated hundreds of Christian refugees after they stated that they had been forced to convert to Islam.
In 2004, the BBC reported that allegations of forced conversions of Copts to Islam surface every year in Egypt. Cases of Iraq's Mandaeans,[60] Egypt's Coptic Orthodox Christians, Christians of Pakistan[61] and Assyrian Christians of Iraq[62][63][64] who have faced coercion to convert to Islam.
There have been numerous reports of Islamic attempts to forcibly convert religious minorities in Iraq. In Baghdad, Christians have been told to convert to Islam, pay the jizya or die.In March 2007 the BBC reported that people in the Mandaean religious minority in Iraq alleged that they were being targeted by Islamist insurgents, who offered them the choice of conversion or death.
In India, there is a deliberate and organised design to convert Kargil's Buddhists to Islam. In Pakistan where there are a few Christians and Hindu's, girls are abducted every month and converted to Islam forcibly in Pakistan, as reported by Pakistani media.
And in August 2009, ICC reported that four Christians working to help orphans in Somalia were beheaded by Islamist extremists when they refused to convert to Islam.
Also, thats not even mentioning the forced conversions in UK prisons, where the sizable muslim population is putting pressure on other faith inmates to convert....see https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuknews%2Flaw-and-order%2F9298578%2FPrisoners-under-pressure-to-convert-to-Muslim-gang.html&ei=oP4LUdK2HbGM0wXL9YCgAw&usg=AFQjCNEdpQNUgK2leju2SmQbIUxw3N1uTw&sig2=hUdHWPLe1ZTZbBGPx5uxWQ&bvm=bv.41867550,d.d2k
SO YES, forced conversion has been around for millenia and is still around TODAY.
As Anonymous has stated (Friday, 1 February 2013 16:29:00 GMT), forced conversions are a fact of life when it comes to Islam. The following recently published video shows one such example in Egypt where the Copts are increasingly being targeted. Shocking to see, but I suggest you all read and view the report to see just how perverted Islam really is:Delete
To Anonymous - Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:09:00 GMTDelete
Whenever direct quotations are taken from your Koran you will always find Muslims trying to reinterpret them, particularly if the quotes are controversial like those above.
I've just watched the following video and it shows exactly what I mean. Take a look and you may learn a few things along the way -
did u watch the same documentary i did? it was really eye opening! just because it wasn't what you wanted to hear!ReplyDelete
I can't believe how horrible this article is?!!! I was intrigued and pleasantly surprised how these women found peace within themselves and found a faith that speaks to them. I just wish they had another episode about male converts and what their views are.ReplyDeleteReplies
Perhaps those same female converts should try living in Islamic countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan for a year or two where women have absolutely no rights, no freedoms and often live in abusive relationships thanks to the religion they so openly embrace. Even the young girls aren't allowed a proper education under Islam.Delete
Oh yes, in the West they have it easy but its not the same for all Muslim women is it? Rather hypocritical of them to spout how wonderful and peaceful it is when you see the reports from the countries listed above along with Libya, Yemen, Sudan etc. etc.
I suggest viewing the following website and open your eyes to the truth behind their so-called religion: www.thereligionofpeace.com
I find it funny how you're blaming a religion for shit that the free and perfect West actually caused. The current situation in Afghanistan, for example, reflects deep scars left behind by the Cold War (fought primarily between two Western powers), /not/ centuries of Afghan culture and Islam. I strongly suggest you look up the histories of the countries you're referring to (particularly the past two hundred years or so) before you start spurting out shit that you /clearly/ know nothing about and thinking that you have the right to speak over actual /Muslims/ about their /own religion/.Delete
Did Islam create the Taliban? Did the Qur'an pick itself up off the stand and begin handing out guns and bombs to uneducated Afghans and Pakistanis? No, it was the /United fucking States/ that armed the Taliban. And don't you dare try to fling any de-contextualised verses/ahadith at me that you found on Google or your bullshit websites - you realise that cherry picking Qur'anic verses/ahadith out of context and twisting the meaning of them to justify your Islamophobic views puts you on the exact same level as the terrorists who do the /exact same/ to justify their violent and misogynist views, yes?
Now kindly go and find yourself a new hobby rather than bashing a people who face enough discrimination in their everyday lives in the "free West" as it is. Reading's always good. Here's a good article to get you started: http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/07/thereligionofpeace-com-working-to-streamline-the-american-empires-war-on-terror/
Just out of interest, if Muslims feel so discriminated against in the west on a daily basis why don't they leave?Delete
I'm not the original poster but I wanted to point out the word 'islamophobic' isn't actually recognised in the English language so please don't use the moronic phrase in future, I'm sick of seeing it everywhere as are many others I'm sure! It was created by the media and the pro-Islam lobby to further their cause.Delete
Do you ever hear a similar word for anti-Christian or anti-Sikh sentiment for example? Have you ever heard a news anchor refer to Hinduophobia? No, thought not, so stop using imaginary words. Its no different than the idiots who claim racism when muslims are upset so let me spell it out - A RELIGION IS NOT A RACE! There, I feel better now.
I would also like to add that you seem to be a very angry Muslim judging by the language and tone of your post especially aimed at my country - "United fucking States". Please...
Carry on enjoying your typical lefty Liberal website. After a quick read through it's just what I expected to see.
Casey Reynolds (from Seattle but living/working in GB for now)
it is nobody place to judge what religion you want to be or are. The programs was not about what country you are from it was about Muslim converts look at your own lives and stop judging other peoples nobody is perfect. violence comes from the person there selves and not from religion a true Muslim would not be violent.ReplyDeleteReplies
Your comment (bad grammar included) - "violence comes from the person there selves and not from religion a true Muslim would not be violent." - I suggest you take a look at one of the replies further up the page from 'Anonymous Thursday, 31 January 2013 18:07:00 GMT'.Delete
You can clearly see from those few extracts that the Islamic religion is anything but peaceful.
If Muslims ARE so loving and peaceful how come you never hear of them publicly condemning honour killing, acid attacks on girls, Muslim grooming gangs preying on young vulnerable girls, the 'Muslim Patrols' that recently happened in London, mass violent protests over cartoons, films and comedies etc etc. The list goes on and on and on...
Muslims not violent? Pull the other one, it's got bells on!
Reminds me of that classic saying 'Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim.'Delete
Sadly its very accurate too.
Couldn't agree more with you Mick & Rob. I don't see other books like the Bible, GITA, Tipitaka, I-Ching etc spouting talk of death, killing, revenge for those that don't follow those religions. I've met some lovely muslim people & the reason they are so nice is because they treat the koran with a touch of salt & think for themselves.Delete
Given some of these comments I am reminded of General Franco's observation that although he had four columns besieging Madrid, it would be his "fifth column" of supporters inside the city that would cause it to fall.ReplyDelete
To be fair 5000 converts, not all of whom could be described as Britons, is not a whole hill of beans when set against the larger picture. I am sure more people became Jedi than converted Islam, if the census is to be believed. I am tired of reading the term 'Islamaphobia' because it implies a 'fear of'. Sticking with the Greek etymological connection I believe that we should be talking about Islamoantipatheia, a dislike of Islam. Islam has no historical precedence in Britain, it is not part of the cultural milieu of this nation. We already have a grand monotheistic religion that had already served us for centuries before Islam arrived in Arabia and it still informs the civilised amongst us today. Islam has nothing beneficial to offer us that we don't already have and when accompanied with the inevitable cultural cues of the foreigners that preach the religion, it becomes doubly difficult to understand why anyone would voluntarily adopt it. Catuvellaunian.ReplyDelete
As a convert myself I did not like the programme which seemed to center only about women's dress code and not enough about why these ladies converted and the basic beliefs of our faith. Islam starts in the heart and a belief that there is only one God. As for 'Anonymous' who quoted verses of the Quran, these are verses revealed in the time of wars the Prophet (peace be upon him) used to fight, you have to put them into the context of the time and understand that Islam allows self-defence. Injustices or violence perpetrated against women in the 'Muslim' world or terrorism have nothing to do with what Islam teaches. The Qur'an teaches Muslims to be kind to "the People of the Book", i.e. Christians and Jews: "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).ReplyDelete
"...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).
I look forward to the BBC filming those women who have converted to Christianity in a Muslim state!! Now there is a challenge for Aaqil Ahmed....................ReplyDelete
anonymous states that some passages the quran have to be placed with the context of the time. they say islam talks about self defence. but what about when the islamic armies that went and conquered other lands. that wasnt defence but attack. im talking about the muslim mughals who invaded india, afghanistan.ReplyDelete
also muhammed the prophet killed the jewish tribes, he led raids. and consummated his marriage with a nine year old girl, even today in iran they want to emulate this practice.
I feel sorry for those of you who have made your opinion regarding Islam based on the false facts presented by the media and individuals who are not anywhere near qualified to debate using religious views.ReplyDelete
I would just like to add that many of the laws now used in the western world such as human rights, criminal law as well as the basics for democracy were practiced by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) centuries ago.
I would like to request those who are anti-islam just go to their local mosque without any bias views and I can guarantee you that you will be shocked that muslims are not how you have imagined.
May Allah guide you all to the best of knowledge and the best of faith. AameenReplies
What about those of us who have based it on first hand experience of Islam and Muslims? What would you say to people like me, who started off with being 'blank slates' , oblivious to the media painted picture- but then found that perhaps, perhaps there was a point after all?Delete
Just to elaborate, I am a Hindu woman, born and brought up in the Middle East, where I was TAUGHT in school the difference between 'kaffirs' and believers. The government of that great nation graciously 'allowed' us to have token house of worship in their state.On a holiday to India, I experienced the wrath of a muslim 'protest' - I was terrified, and an aquaintance died in the violence.
To be honest, I considered myself free from bias in the past, but increasingly- due to personal NOT media influences, I unhappily concede that the 'Islamophobes' may be on to something after all!
You can't honestly say you're not anti-Islam and that there isn't any 'Islamaphobia' while simultaneously denouncing their religion, criticizing those individuals in the program and asking Muslims to leave the UK because there's no historical precedence for them to be here. I'm sorry, but Muslims have been here for many years. British citizens have lived and armed forces have entrenched themselves in Muslim countries for hundreds of years. There is precedence. In any case, the World changes every day with the movement of people so 24 hours is enough to create a 'historical precedence'.ReplyDelete
And the whole quoting lines from 'something' to prove a point is a tactic lifted straight out of the EDL and BNP forums.
Pretty pathetic really, as was this 'critique'.
This article obviously comes from an Islamophobic view point, and the main point of this seems to be to discourage people from watching what was quite an informative and educational TV programme. You've proven your dislike of Muslims further by voicing your contempt towards the BBC's promotion of 'World Hijab Day'. You obviously have nothing better to do with your time than to write vitriolic, biased and quite frankly, ridiculous rubbish.ReplyDelete
You might have thought your article was clever, but please do not pretend you tuned in to the programme for any other reason than to feed your cynicism and scoff at everything. You obviously planned to write this article even before watching the programme, as your deep dislike of Muslims and the Islamic faith is painfully apparent.
What's worse, you make ugly and disgusting assumptions about the programme and the people in it (and even those who aren't) which only further reinforces how deeply ingrained your hatred is. For example: 'Abdul will be pleased though, as he'll acquire the right to a shiny new UK passport.' Abdul was not even shown to us on TV, and for all you know he was as much on holiday in Lanzarote as was Alana and may in fact already be a British citizen. Aside from that, making such ridiculous assumptions based on somebody's name, race and religion is gross and makes your 'review' even less credible and unfortunately for you, stupid.
And then this: 'Might it not have something to do with the fact that the BBC's Head of Religion and Ethics is a certain Aaqil Ahmed? Now, which religion do you think he favours promoting?'
I won't even go into the fact that you referred to Allah as a 'wily old fox'.
Your 'review' is presumptuous, idiotic, rude, offensive, full of ignorance, biased and quite frankly, it's sad that you don't have anything better to do with your time.
In future, educate yourself instead of spouting rubbish that you've conjured up from thin air.Replies
To quote you, "In future, educate yourself instead of spouting rubbish that you've conjured up from thin air."Delete
Can I just point out that after reading your post it is nothing but hot air. And can you PLEASE do us all a favour and stop using the fake media-created word 'islamophobic' as it doesn't actually exist in our language. I notice another contributor has already pointed that out too.
Yes people are anti-Islamic. Yes people are sick and tired of the Islamic ideology being forced down their throats by government, the media and particularly the BBC that according to it's own charter is supposed to provide unbiased reporting. The BBC unbiased? There's a huge lie if ever I saw one!
If Muslims are so tolerant as we are forced to believe where's the evidence? Why do they not protest in London, Washington, Brussels or Paris against the terrorist FSA groups in Syria or the al-Qaeda groups in Mali, Sudan, Egypt, Libya and Yemen?
Why don't they publicly condemn the Muslim grooming gangs that are now in the news instead of trying to use the 'it's a cultural issue' cop-out?
It simply comes down to lack of willingness to integrate with the greater society that is the main problem.
Another example, why do a small minority now command such dominance in the food industry that practically all meat products are Halal? I don't want to buy meat from an animal that was ritually sacrificed in a brutal and barbaric way while a prayer to Allah is said over it but that is the reality we face. I've managed to find one butcher in my area who confirms his meat isn't Halal. ONE! All the others including the supermarkets now sell Halal. This is plain wrong.
Now we are getting programmes from our own media inviting us to wear Islamic clothing! There is nothing in the Koran insisting a woman is covered up so why does this lie persist? If it's a personal choice then fine, but keep it for home and not on the streets. I do hope we soon follow France, Belgium and Italy and many other countries in banning all Islamic clothing.
"You've proven your dislike of Muslims further by voicing your contempt towards the BBC's promotion of 'World Hijab Day'." --- No its called Freedom of Speech, something that is sorely lacking in the Muslim world.ReplyDelete
In Britain we should be able to say what we like about an invasive and divisive ideology such as Islam. We are opposed to Sharia law in every shape and form yet the BBC with their left-wing politics believe this is the right future for Britain and insist on filling our TV schedules with such tripe as this show, why?
For a publicly funded organisation I hate seeing my TV licence wasted on programmes that only appeal to the simple minded.
The last time I checked this country was traditionally a Christian nation, yet we have to bend over backwards to accommodate a minority group who refuse to reciprocate. Is that fair?
During the course of several years I worked in the UAE, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. There the rules are very strict and we as non-Muslim outsiders had to adhere to them regardless of personal opinion and that included wearing nothing related to Christianity or even talking about it publicly. Why can't Muslims do the same in this country instead of insisting we change our culture, heritage and ideals to suit them?
And you wonder why people are sick and tired of Islam.Replies
Yep, there's actual proof too. I would like to see similar stats for other Euro countries -Delete
Islam: 74% of French say it's an 'intolerant' religion-
Fewer than one in four people think Islam is compatible with British life-
Of course, you will notice from the second article that the muslim Baroness is accusing us of being 'un-British' for not supporting them. As usual the muslims play the victim card to hide the truth about public opinion.
Then why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world?ReplyDelete
I'm sorry, but I pity your lack of faith and you obviously hate that there are people out there who have a strong enough belief in God to follow their religions.
And since you're all making assumptions, I'll throw one out there. You're probably all bitter middle aged idiots with nothing going on in your lives. You are obviously anti-Islam, yet you spend a ridiculous amount of time trawling through the internet to find stuff to feed your hatred. Then you complain about paying a TV licence and programmes like this one. If you don't like it, don't tune in.
All the female converts are what you might call mentally challenged and simply attention seeking, also the one who claimed that her and her family would'nt be celebrating christmas because "we don't want to celebrate another religions god" was she revealing the truth about allah being not the same god as the jews and christians even though muslims insist all 3 worship the same god?ReplyDelete
Furthermore, Islamophobic is a word, and it describes you all perfectly. Pretty sad that you all feel the need to tear down a religion you obviously know nothing about, with your narrow minds trying to put us all in a box.ReplyDelete
To the person who said to dress in an Islamic way only at home. You're a hypocrite. It's a free country. We will dress how we like, where we like. I would love to see you attempt to stop anyone.
Just because a lot of aspects of Islam don't 'correlate' with your Westernised ideals, it becomes an easy target for you to attempt to ridicule and pull apart. Mostly, I just feel sorry for you all that you're all so bitter and full of hatred. Britain is becoming increasinly multicultural, and thank God for that. Maybe it'll teach you all to be tolerant of people from different faiths and cultures.
As for this blog, it's full of malicious poison and I will leave all you sad people to fuel each other's mutual hatred of our religion. See if it makes you any happier in your pathetic lives.Replies
That's right, wear a niqab so you can throw acid in someone's face without fear of being identified. If you don't like our 'westernised ideals', go back to your ancestral familial homeland where your faith is the norm. Why does everywhere have to adopt Islam? let's face it, you're an aggressive imperialist. Go home and leave us in peace. As for 'Islamophobic', don't go employing that word without understanding what it means. We are Islamoantipatheists, not Islamophobes, got that? Read this: http://durotrigan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/meet-islamoantipatheists.htmlDelete
Yes, you really are a patient, tolerant and peace loving lot aren't you! I suggest you watch the following video link. A light-hearted look at your true beliefs:Delete
since when you all moslems respect people who disagreed with moslems?Delete
since when you all moslems respect the freedom of other people?
since when you all moslems really respect anyone?
the fact is moslems never respect anyone.
The fact is moslems have more in common with primitive African.
Can all those ppl posting comments against islam stop being so rude and racist i mean how can you just so blindly critisize the religion? Okay i get the fact you hate islam but at least try and be a bit repectfulReplyDeleteReplies
Heavens! Rude? Racist? Please read and then think about what you have written: http://durotrigan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/meet-islamoantipatheists.htmlDelete
I don't want to read any more of your crappy blog entries.ReplyDelete
You don't know anything about me. You don't know whether or not I wear the niqab. You're actually full of crap.
I pity you.
I won't go back anywhere, because this is my home and I'm sorry that you don't like that. We're here to stay.
Got that?
Go back to your knitting or something.Replies
I didn't say that the person who wore the niqab was a Muslim, it was the fact that people are permitted to wear such face-concealing garments under the guise of religious 'tolerance' that allowed this foul crime to take place. You won't read? Why not? That is the attitude of a bigot in its literal sense. Take this quiz and answer truthfully, and I will show you respect. Not one of your co-religionists has done anything thus far other than spout vitriol in response: http://durotrigan.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/quiz-for-muslims.htmlDelete
To add to Durotrigan's reply, why must you wear face covering clothes in public at all?Delete
I'm not allowed to wear my motorcycle helmet in a bank for example, but recently I was queuing in a branch of HSBC and lo and behold there in front of me were three women (I assume), wearing the full niqab with just their eyes showing. No one asked them to remove it, yet a person with a scarf around their face, a balaclava, or helmet is immediately stopped. Double standards?
No doubt the bank staff were worried about being branded anti-islamic or 'racist' for objecting to it.
There have been numerous stories in the media about islamic clothing used as a disguise making the whole anti-crime CCTV system useless if we can't see an attackers face. The recent story of the young woman having acid thrown in her face is a prime example of this. One of the killers of Pc Sharon Beshenivsky even fled the country back to Somalia wearing (they believe) his sister's muslim veil as a disguise. How did he get away with that?
Ref: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1537666/Gunmen-were-on-bail-when-they-killed-WPc.html
Surely you can understand why the veil should be banned? France recently banned it and rightly so, at least they had the courage to do so regardless of all the Muslim death threats and hate messages that came pouring in (yes, such a peaceful religion). Why is our government so scared to stand up to you lot on this issue?
Furthermore, how do you know the niqabi who threw acid in that person's face was even Muslim? For all you know, it was a disguise.ReplyDelete
This is another example of how you hate filled idiots use media to reinforce your feelings about Islam.
Non-Muslims do hateful and disgusting things all the time. Never have they been identified as 'Christian' or 'Jewish'.
You're only looking for ammunition, it's sad.Replies
You are making baseless assumptions. If you read the article I pointed you too, you would not be able to do so. You are attacking a straw man, rather than the author.Delete
It's hilarious that you're even referring to yourself as a man.ReplyDelete
I don't know what your quiz is, but I refuse to follow the link.
I don't need to prove anything to you.
I'll leave you to sit in your bitterness and enjoy your Sunday finding even more ways to feed your hatred. You lead such an exciting life.Replies
And we would enjoy our Sundays a lot more if it wasn't for the muslims taking over the place.Delete
As for not having to prove anything we can clearly see you are an angry muzzie with a huge chip on her shoulder because someone somewhere happens to disagree with your rose-tinted view of the medieval islamic ideology.
Obviously you have nothing better to do than post ridiculous comments yourself yet you have the audacity to personally attack the blog owner over what is, quite simply, a fair comment. The fact you are even attacking him is evidence enough that you have lost the argument. Typical behaviour, and just what we expect to see.
C Graves
Baseless assumptions? Hmm, now who else throws around random assumptions?ReplyDelete
Wrong use of 'too' there, by the way. How embarrassing.
I think you'll find you're the only angry one around here.ReplyDelete
I haven't lost any argument. It's obvious that you're all full of hatred, and it can't be healthy for you. You need to channel all that hate and anger so you're not so bitter and intolerant all the time.
Use your time and energy wisely. Maybe there's a club or something you can join to occupy yourself? Have a look at what's going on around you locally, you might find peace playing bingo or something.Replies
I believe ad hominen attacks are not supposed to be allowed as they do not add to the debate. The owner of this blog has kindly accommodated your ranting. If you have nothing positive to contribute, please go somewhere else.Delete
"Have a look at what's going on around you locally...", That's the problem. Looking around every town and city in the UK and all we see are Muslims demanding more rights, demanding Sharia and demanding that we, the indigenous Brits, give up our culture and way of life to your ideological indoctrination.Delete
Whenever I turn on the TV news all I see are horror stories from the religion of peace; Muslim grooming gangs, Muslim patrols, terrorist attacks, murderous protests, honour killings, acid attacks and always more demands, demands, demands.
We are sick of it, yet when we speak openly on websites such as this you fail to understand why we are unhappy with your ideology.
You fail to integrate with society preferring instead to create ghettoised areas for yourselves away from the rest of us. You only have to look at Bradford if you need a clear example.
We are disgusted with Halal slaughter. Unlike you I'm a Christian and we are not supposed to touch Halal meat just like the Sikhs and other religious groups, yet when I ask in supermarkets whether the meat is Halal I get fobbed off or asked 'does it matter?'. Not just from a religious standpoint but I don't want to buy meat from an animal that suffered terribly whilst it's throat is cut and left to bleed out. Hardly the quick method we used to use.
A local butcher once told me that he can't advertise for non-Halal meat in his shop - which the majority of people want to buy - because the law prevents him from doing so as its discriminatory towards Muslims. The fact that over 90% of the population is sold meat that was killed in the most brutal and savage fashion is surely discrimination, but we can't go upsetting the Muslims can we? Utterly disgraceful.
We have anti-British groups operating here with impunity and lunatics like Anjem Choudhary and that other piece of scum Abu Qatada all being looked after by us, the taxpayer.
So yes, following your suggestion of "look at what's going on" I can only hope that for the sake of future generations we as a nation put a stop to the spread of Islam and Sharia before its too late.
Wow Liz! You seem annoyed about an awful lot of things that aren't even the fault of Muslims. I've a few Muslim friends and most of them didn't even realise that you could get halal meat in supermarkets! The fact of the matter is that there are independent Muslim butchers in most towns and cities that they go to rather than supermarkets. And anyway, how's it the fault of Muslims if a supermarket sources it's meat supplies from a halal vendor? Well it's not. Any more than it would be your or my fault if they sourced all their food from a non-halal vendor. Supermarkets just go where's most economical I assume. Muslim's don't really get a say in their sourcing policy. I suppose they could request halal food to be available but you could just as ealiy request that non-halal food be available.Delete
Also how's it the fault of Muslim's if government policy has become so politically correct that they won't allow butcher's to advertise they have non-halal meat? That's a crazy law! I doubt any Muslim would care, they have their own independent suppliers like I said earlier. None of my friends care at all! "Advertise away butcher!" they cry. "Or at least don't blame us for government policies that have gone way too far."
And yet again I think it's unfair to blame Muslims for keeping Abu Qatada in the country. The government can't get rid of him because of pesky human right laws, not because Muslims want him here. They don't like him. They pay taxes too you know!
As for the Muslim grooming gangs, Muslim protests, etc - that's just an example of the more subtle form of racism that pervades most of our society (the tabloid junkies in particular). Do you or I feel personally accountable for what Jimmy Saville did? Or Harold Shipman? No? Then how come a white murderer is just a "murderer" but a non-white murderer is an "Asian/Arab/Black/Muslim/Martian murderer"? Why do we feel that the whole of an ethnic minority group need to be held accountable for the actions of a few similarly coloured sickos? Why is it only with ethnic minorities that their race is substantial? I've never felt personally guilty about the Hillsborough disaster but for some reason I get the feeling you hold the nearest Muslim accountable for the tragedies of 9/11.
As for these demands, what are they? I've never once noticed a Muslim demand anything. Sharia? What does that have to do with us even if they get it? It's not like they're going to apply Sharia law to non-Muslim people. Meh. And all my brown friends hate the idea! They don't want it. Maybe you mean the right to have a place of worship? Or to wear suitable garments for their religion? What other demands do muslims make? Really, I want to know.
Integration itself is a tough issue. Is it really so hard to understand why an imigrant would want to retain their culture? Imagine if we moved to China for some reason in the future. When you get there you want to learn their culture but would you really want to leave everything that made you British behind? Surely not. And wouldn't you feel more comfortable living in an area with other people who had immigrated in an area with a lot of things that remind you of home? Surely! It doesn't mean you hate China or that you don't like Chinese culture. It's just your own culture is constantly under threat because for some reason lots of Chinese people hate the fact that you haven't ditched it altogether and started to act precisely like they act. The problem is that people, as a mindless gang or mass, hate anything that's not in their norm. And that's what happens here. "Act like we act!" we demand. "Stop it with your differences and alternative views on life!"
Oh but wait! At the same time Liz, you're annoyed that Muslims are making us (the "indiginous" British. LOL!) "give up our culture and way of life to your ideological indoctrination." Some would say that you're reflecting your own thoughts on to others. Like the chronic kleptomaniac who always thinks their fiends are stealing their things. Surely if anything that statement is a reason to empathise with immigrants wanting to retain their own culture. And I have never ever ever met a Muslim or seen a Muslim try and force his or her way on me or anyone I know. Never! Maybe you could explain your point here with an example?
Anyway, I have a strong suspicion you might be pretty racist Liz. But you know one of the denying racists who start bigoted comments with the phrase "I'm not racist but...."
- Dave
p.s. "The fact that over 90% of the population is sold meat that was killed in the most brutal and savage fashion" - Really? The MOST brutal and savage?
To Dave, take a look at the following:Delete
It lists many incidents of daily life changed in favour of Muslims. The majority were brought about after complaints from Muslims in the local communities or through pressure groups like the Muslim council of GB (why on earth they exist I will never know!).
I would also like to add that yes, Halal slaughter IS one of the most brutal and savage means of slaughtering an animal for meat currently used. The same of course as Shechita (Jewish).
One critic Professor Bill Reilly, former president of the British Veterinary Association, said after viewing ritual slaughter, ""The distress, fear and pain were there for all to see in the abattoir."
The previously used method with stunning and captive bolt was a lot quicker and more humane instead of a Muslim reciting an Islamic prayer over a fully conscious animal before cutting it's throat and leaving it to bleed to death in agony - a process which can take a considerable amount of time particularly for larger animals. Hardly compassionate.
Many organisations are against it including the British Veterinary Association. Links:
And as for the widespread sale of Halal sold unwittingly to the public I recommend reading this for starters:
Over the Christmas holiday I glanced up to the BBC on the TV in my local bar to see a couple of white children on a 'cultural exchange' type program. The appeared to be in Indonesia, though the sound was turned down and I was reading the subtitles.ReplyDelete
Here they were in school (Asian girls in hi-jab, hence my guess at Indonesia), there in a factory, seeing how young people work. But the UK girl and boy were separated and next thing here's the girl trying on a headscarf. Why?
Will the BBC be taking Muslim children from Bradford to Tel Aviv so they can get more of an understanding of Judaism? No, course they won't.Replies
I'm not sure I get your point... Are you cross because white kids were made to see child labour? Are you cross that they were made to go to a country where girls wear head scarves? Are you cross cos the UK girl had to wear one also? Surely that's just dressing appropriately for the culture you're in at the time... like not walking the streets of Bristol with no pants on.Delete
If the show was about child labour then surely the head scarf is just incidental? In fact even the fact that it's a Muslim country is incidental.
And how would sending British Muslims to Tel Aviv be an appropriate alternative? What would be the point in sending children to a relatively affluent part of Israel? If culture-shock programming is what you're interested in, surely a Kibbutz would be better? Then they could witness a real culture difference and it would make for interesting programming.
- Dave
To Dave, (AnonymousWednesday, 6 February 2013 17:30:00 GMT) -Delete
I quote, "Surely that's just dressing appropriately for the culture you're in at the time..."
So when in the UK why can't Muslims dress appropriately for our British culture? The Quran does not insist on women being covered in public, it merely states women should dress modestly for their husbands. There is absolutely no mention of wearing a piece of clothing that covers every part of the body except the eyes when out on the streets, in shops, driving etc. However, some are even covering their eyes with another veil. This is NOT dressing appropriately for British culture.
When travelling to Islamic countries my wife has to cover her head as is the custom there, but as we have no such requirements in the UK why can't Muslims leave the veils off considering that 1) clothing is not part of their religion, and 2) it doesn't fit with our culture?
Problem is, as with all things Islamic, we have to bend over backwards for them by changing our laws, culture and traditions and what do they do in return? Nothing, except make more demands of us without giving anything in return.
This is why I'm glad countries like France have banned face coverings. There are only a few countries that have followed suit but its a start. Hopefully other nations will see how divisive Islam really is.
Hmmm... I can't say I agree with Anonymous but I definitely see where your coming from. The thing is I don't think we'll agree cos this depends on our definitions of "appropriate cultural dress". I get the feeling that what you mean by Muslims dressing more appropriately for British culture is that they dress more like we do. At the very least with no veil. Am I right?Delete
Well the way I see "appropriate cultural dress" is as a list of minimum requirements to prevent offence. In the UK for example, so long as your breasts, bum and privates are covered up, really all else is fair game. Dress like a nun, a goth, a hipster, whatever you want, you're not really going to offend anyone so long as you've done the minimum. All I see is that some Muslim women choose to go way beyond the minimum and wear more than the average person. I'm indifferent to that. It doesn't offend me. They can enjoy the fact that they live in a country that values that degree of freedom.
The problem is your comparison of your wife in a muslim country and a Muslim girl here isn't very fair. The veil or head scarf isn't in itself offensive. It's just different. If however, that same person decided to walk down the street with her breasts out, that would be offensive! And I think that serves as a fairer comparison. The minimum requirements is that a woman MUST wear a headscarf. I don't like it. I think it's an infringement of freedom. But in that society, not wearing a head scarf is like showing your breasts here. It's offensive.
To further the comarison, if your wife popped on a head scarf in this Muslim country and then went on to wear a jaunty hat, I doubt any of the population would be offended. They might find it weird but all she's done is gone beyond minimum requirements in her own way. I defnintely doubt they'd want to take away her right to wear a jaunty hat. I think that's also a fair comparison to Muslim women here.
Now it could be argued that the veil offers a risk to society, as a way to mask identity for criminals. Undoubtadly that's happened. But even then, does that risk outweigh the benefits - the benefits being freedom? To be honest I've not solidified an opinion on that. But I lean towards keeping freedom. Talk to any Muslim from a country that doesn't allow these freedoms and I'm sure they'll tell you how valuable they are. Also, they banned them in France. Do we really want to be like the French? Traditionally they're our enemies! (Joking! please do not get francophobic too!)
I don't see allowing a minoirty practice (cos very few Muslim women actually wear veils) in a minority group as us "bending over backwards for them". I really don't. It's just a case of "whatever suits you missus." And I don't know what these demands you're referring to are. Or what you want them to give in return for the right to dress like they want. Maybe you can explain?
Missed some words above:
"The problem is your comparison of your wife in a muslim country and a Muslim girl here isn't very fair. The veil or head scarf isn't in itself offensive. It's just different. If however, that same person decided to walk down the street with her breasts out, that would be offensive! And I think that serves as a fairer comparison. IN THE COUNTRY YOUR WIFE TRAVELED TO the minimum requirements is that a woman MUST wear a headscarf. I don't like it. I think it's an infringement of freedom. But in that society, not wearing a head scarf is like showing your breasts here. It's offensive.
To 'Dave'Delete
Until the other contributor replies I suggest taking a look at this video. It's only a few minutes long and is already a couple of years old, but I'm sure this is what they were getting at - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e8a_1360192502
It clearly shows intimidation, and you wonder why people here - particularly those in the cities where this is most prevalent - are worried about the creeping sharia we are concerned about. The views at the end are extremely worrying if they feel that their God's law is higher than UK law...
Hi anonymous2,Delete
That is a pretty disgusting video. I'm not even gonna try and explain that! What they said to that poor presenter made me feel sick. I agree, it's not justifiable at all.
The thing is I need to put things into context and googling info on that video left me thinking 3 specific things:
1 - The group protesting there is Al-Mohajiroun, a pro-terrorist group that has been banned by the governement. I think it's safe to assume that if a group is so extreme that it gets banned by the government that it's unlikely to be represantative of the populatin, in this case Muslims. Basically it's like watching this video and assuming all white people are like tis:
2 - The Muslim population of Luton is around 40,000. There were like maybe 50 people in that video. Yet again, I think it's safe to assume that they're not representing the vast, vast, vast, vast majority.
3 - At no point did even this extremist group mention forcing Sharia law on to the whole of Britain. They've got some pretty whacky ideas though, like not obeying British law (all my Muslim friends tell me that the HAVE to obey the laws of the country their in, so this group has some pretty strange interpretations) but even if they wanted Sharia for Muslims, they couldn't suggest it for non-Muslims cos that would be stupid.
Basically, I'm not denying that some mentalists live out there. They do. But luckily there aren't many of them. Maybe we should not generalize from the actions of a few extemists. That's all I'm suggesting.
However, I have just read all the comments on this page and I'm filled with sadness. There's so much racism going on here. I wouldn't want the views of those people to be considered as a fair representation of the non-Muslim population. So please, Muslims, know we don't think you're trying to take over this country!
Now to find a happier blog....
Dave, please don't make the mistake of viewing anti-Islamic views as racist, you can't be racist towards an ideology.Delete
I strongly suggest taking a look at Durotrigan's excellent article 'Meet the Islamoantipatheists' if you haven't already:
Too often the media accuses anyone voicing anti-Islamic views as racists and bigots, but the fact is people ARE concerned where this is heading, and not just in this country.
Across Europe and in the USA there are many organisations already established and new ones being formed to raise awareness of Islam so its not just here in the UK with a 'Little Englander' approach.
Look at the recent attempt on Lars Hedegaard's life and of course the assassinations of Chokri Belaid and Pim Fortuyn among a long list of others. Their crime? Being critical of Islam.
No matter how you flower it up the clear message is, if you stand up against Islam your life could be in danger. It may seem over-dramatic but that is what we see across the globe day in, day out.
I saw the programme and found it really weird that people like Shanna think they are muslim. She was born into a family who 'claims' they are muslim yet she doe'snt know anything about it, no idea about the prayers, the clothes, about halal/haram, bo diddly.ReplyDelete
Its like saying all white Brits are christian.
islam is just another nasty non-white ideology that moslems used to further their disgusting non-whites political and economic agenda.ReplyDelete
Islam is religion of piece and brotherhoodReplyDelete
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Advanced persistent threats have garnered a lot of attention of late, deservedly so. APTs are arguably the most dangerous security concern for business organizations today, given their targeted nature.
An APT attack is typically launched by a professional organization based in a different country than the victim organization, thereby complicating law enforcement. These hacking organizations are often broken into specialized teams that work together to infiltrate corporate networks and systems and extract as much valuable information as possible. Illegally hacking other companies is their day job. And most are very good at it.
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By all expert opinion, APTs have compromised the information infrastructure of any relevant company. The question isn't whether you've been compromised by an APT, but whether you've noticed it.
I've been helping companies fight and prevent APTs for nearly a decade. In that time I've amassed my share of war stories from the IT security trenches. Here are some of the better real-life tales, not just for the chase, but for the lessons learned.
APT war story No. 1: APT eyes are watching you
I once spent more than a year responding to an APT attack at a multinational company that was involved in everything from high-tech satellites and guns to refrigerators and education. When I got the call, the client had already been hit by two other APT attacks, which isn't unusual. Most companies that discover an APT usually figure out it's been there for years. One client I worked with has been compromised by three different APT teams over the past eight years -- not surprising in the least.
The multinational was finally serious about combatting the attack. The entire IT team was called together to respond; a large, single-purpose task force was created; all the relevant experts were brought in. It was decided that many months in the future all passwords would be reset.
You may wonder why the delay in resetting passwords. Password resets should always be pushed out far into the future in these situations because there's no use changing all the passwords to kick out an APT if you can't guarantee you can prevent the baddies from breaking right back in. Identify the most relevant weaknesses, fix them, then change the passwords. That's the best defense.
As in most companies I work with, everyone involved was sworn to secrecy. Code words were established, so the team could discuss various aspects of the project in (possibly monitored) emails without alerting intruders or employees not yet engaged.
In this instance, the big password reset day was scheduled to coincide with the company's annual baseball game, which had been instituted to increase employee morale. Because of this, the project was dubbed "company baseball game," with the name of the company changed here to protect its identity. From that point forward, no one mentioned APT or password reset. Everything was about the baseball game.
The company's systems were completely compromised, so new laptops and wireless routers were purchased. All project-related work was to be performed on these laptops over a secured wireless network to prevent any accidental leakage of information about the project, regardless of code-word use.
One facet of the project was to tackle the overabundance of domain administrators at the company. There were far too many -- all told, more than 1,000. We set up camp in one of the many executive conference rooms we used over the course of the project and began discussing what to do.
We couldn't decide which domain administrators were truly needed and which we could disable, so we decided to disable them all on "company baseball game" day, and force those who really needed domain admin access to reaffirm their need. We drafted a domain admin access request form on one of the project laptops and called it a day. We would send out the forms just before "company baseball game" day so that each person who needed a domain admin account could get one in time to be prepared.
The next morning around 7:30 a.m., I entered that same executive conference room. The project manager was already there. He looked up at me, his eyes a bit wider than usual for the early hour, and said, "Here's our first two domain admin requests," as he flipped them to me.
What did he mean domain admin requests? The form wasn't out of draft stage and wasn't scheduled to go out for months. But there they were, two filled-out "domain admin access request" forms. They had some small, but very noticeable mistakes, so it was obvious they were not from our original draft. Each was filled in by team members belonging to a foreign subsidiary, who currently had domain admin access. The reason they were requesting the reinstated domain admin access? Because the current access was to be cut on baseball game day.
To this day, I still can't believe it. I was holding two forms that shouldn't have existed. The only draft was on a laptop on an air-gapped network. Our precious secret project code was blown. Astonishment passed from team member to team member along with the forms as we gave them the news.
After much investigation, we figured out that the APT, led by insiders, had infiltrated all the conference rooms using the data display projectors and executive videoconference systems. They were watching and digesting all our supposedly secret meetings. Their only mistake was in not understanding that the form didn't really exist yet and was not due to be sent out for months. Thank goodness for language barriers.
Lesson: If your conference equipment is networked and has the ability to record voice or video, make sure you disable them before conducting meetings.
APT war story No. 2: Not all APTs are as advanced as experts think
This is the story of an APT team that had taken total control of a company's network. They were actively creating connections all around the network, day or night, by the time I got called in. They were beyond caring whether they had been discovered.
APTs are almost certain to dump all password hashes and use pass the hash (PtH) tools to take over the rest of an organization's network. In this instance, the customer decided it was time to disable those weak LAN Manager (LM) password hashes that Microsoft had been recommending to disable for at least 10 years, and trying to disable by default at least since 2008. This particular APT was using the captured LM password hashes to do the dirty work.
I told the customer the proposal would not work because, by default, at least two types of Windows password hashes exist in Microsoft authentication databases: LM and NT hashes. The attackers had downloaded both types, and the PtH tool they were working with could use either. I even showed the client how the attacker's tool had the syntax built in to switch between LM and NT hashes, a very common feature of PtH attack tools. Worse, even if you disable the storing of LM hashes, they are still created in memory when someone logs on. It sounds crazy, but that's how Windows works.
The customer would not be dissuaded. Despite my protestations of wasted effort, it disabled the LM hashes and reset the passwords. Now the local and Active Directory databases contained no usable LM password hashes. You know how well that worked?
Well, it worked -- because the APT team never used another password hash to perform its attack. Truth be told, they just moved on to other methods (see below), but the PtH attacks stopped. It turned out that the APT team didn't even know its own tools. You could imagine the discussion they must have had internally when all the LM hashes disappeared, including shrugged shoulders and a brainstorm of new strategies.
Lesson: "Advanced" may be included in the name of APT, but not all APT attackers are all that advanced. Plus, sometimes the expert is wrong. I wasn't wrong technically, but that didn't prevent the outcome the client was looking for to be the same. It humbled me.
APT war story No. 3: The medicine may be the poison
As a full-time Microsoft security consultant, I'm frequently asked to work on APT engagements led by other companies; I'm a resource, not the project leader. There's one security consulting company I've worked with enough to know many of its staff members and consultants informally, if not personally. We understand what our roles are -- depending on who gets there first, makes friends with the CIO, and assumes leadership. Our partnerships have always been friendly, though competitive. After all, it's better to be a leader than a follower.
This security consulting firm is well known for fighting APTs and even sells detection software to help. Frequently, on engagements, it succeeds in selling its software and getting it installed on every computer in the environment. I was very used to seeing its service running in Windows Task Manager.
In this particular story, the security consulting firm arrived first, saved the day, and moved on. It also succeeded in installing its software throughout the organization and hadn't been onsite in nearly a year. As far as anyone knew, the customer had been APT-free since the initial remedy. At least no one had detected any signs.
I'm a big fan of honeypots. A honeypot is software or a device that exists simply to be attacked. It can be an unused computer, router, or server. Honeypots can mimic anything, and they are great for detecting previously undetectable adversaries, so I recommend them often. This can be a decommissioned computer to which no person or service should be connecting. When a hacker or malware does connect, the honeypot sends an alert that can trigger an immediate incident response.
In this instance, I spent a few days helping the client deploy some honeypots. Most customers ask me how we are going attract hackers to the honeypots. I always laugh and answer the same way: "Don't worry, they will come." Indeed, every honeypot I've ever set up has detected nefarious activity within a day or two. These new honeypots were no different.
We detected network logon attempts coming from multiple workstations, none of which had a legitimate reason to be logging on. We pulled a few of these workstations and forensically examined their hard drives. We found that the APT had placed a remote-access Trojan on each of them. The Trojan's name? The same as the anti-APT detection software. The bad guys had someone replace the legitimate anti-APT software with a Trojan, and it turns out they did it on nearly every computer.
This explained a few things, like why no APT had been detected. But the bigger question was how did it get installed in the first place. It turned out the customer's "gold build" had been compromised in its build environment, and this Trojan was part of the build.
Lessons: First, verify the integrity of your builds; prevent unauthorized modification or invent some way to detect it. Second, honeypots are a great way to detect malicious activity. Third, always look for and investigate strange network connections from unexpected places.
APT war story No. 4: All your PKI base belong to us
APT attacks on Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) servers used to be somewhat rare. In fact, until two years ago, I never personally ran across an APT where PKI servers had been involved. Now, it's fairly common. But the most relevant story is the one where the PKI turned into physical access in a sensitive area.
This particular customer used its internal PKI servers to create employee smartcards. These smartcards were used to not only log on to computers but to physically access company buildings and other infrastructure.
The customer's root CA (certification authority) server was a virtual instance sitting, disabled, on a VMware host server. The bad guys had found it, copied it offsite, cracked the local (weak) administrator password, and generated their own trusted subordinate CA. They used this CA to issue themselves PKI access to everything they could.
What surprised me most was the video my client showed me of two unknown men posing as employees. Using the fake smartcards they created, they had parked their cars inside the secured company parking lot, walked into the building through the employee entrance, and onto a floor that stored highly sensitive data.
My customer couldn't tell me what happened after that or what was taken, but I knew they were not happy. There was a very serious mood in the room. I was invited to help them create a new PKI and to migrate the company into the better-secured PKI environment.
Lesson: Protect your PKI CA servers. Offline CAs should be just that: offline! They should not be disabled or sitting on the network with their network cards disabled, but off the network, stored in a safe, and not so easy to compromise. CA private keys should be protected by a Hardware Storage Module appliance, and all related passwords should be very long (15 characters or more) and complex. Plus, it can't hurt to look for and monitor if other unauthorized CAs get added as trusted CAs.
APT war story No. 5: Don't forget the accounts you're not supposed to touch


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The power of balance: why Nasdaq is leaning toward even-smaller companies these days – Spotlight: Capital Markets
Alix Nyberg
From building a flashy headquarters in Manhattan to trying to extend its reach across Canada, Europe, and Japan, Nasdaq has spent the past few years trying to position itself as a worthy competitor to the New York Stock Exchange for blue-chip stocks. This year, though, with an ambitious plan to polish up the OTC Bulletin Board (OTCBB), it may instead go head-to-head with the Pink Sheets.
In a sign of just how badly stock prices have been beaten down, Nasdaq is preparing to make the OTCBB a more-respectable home for companies that no longer meet the financial criteria of its major markets. Pending approval from the Securities and Exchange Commission, as early as midyear Nasdaq is expected to launch the Bulletin Board Exchange (BBX)–a new exchange that will require listing standards for member firms, offer more-seamless trading technology and ultimately replace the OTCBB.
The move is a reversal of policy of sorts. Until now, Nasdaq, which provides the technology for the OTCBB's brokers, has kept its brand a safe distance from it. The reason: with no financial-listing standards and fitful volumes, the OTCBB has been a market of questionable repute–a last resort for firms too small, or too weak, to meet Nasdaq or NYSE standards.
But given the continued migration of blue chips to the NYSE and little hope for another dot-cam boom, Nasdaq sees a future in the alternative exchange. "The BBX will appeal to small, well-run companies that care about their shareholders;' Nasdaq told CEO in a written statement. "These are companies that are willing and able to meet corporate-governance requirements similar to those of the Nasdaq or Nasdaq SmallCap market, but that cannot meet the financial requirements of those markets." Seen in a different light, "it's a combination of cleaning up the bulletin board and providing a softer landing for companies that fall off the Nasdaq National Market;' says James Angel, a professor of finance at Georgetown University.
The plan to take over the OTCBB has been in the works for more than two years, as part of Nasdaq's scheme to split off from the NASD and go public. But it's taken on added importance as the bear market has pummeled Nasdaq's finances.
Since 2000, the number of firms listed on Nasdaq has dropped by more than 20 percent. With another 10 percent facing delisting as share prices remain below $1, and barely a trickle of initial public offerings to replace them, the attrition is expected to seriously affect the $857.2 million Nasdaq's revenues going forward. "Plummeting fees from the new millennium's bear market will depress this contribution over a protracted period," wrote Jefferies & Co. analyst Charlotte Chamberlain in a recent research note.
Consequently, the immediate benefits for Nasdaq are clear. For one, it will be able to recoup some fees from firms that it has forced to delist and collect new ones from the OTCBB companies that all currently trade for free. Plus, there's the promise of additional transaction fees if the technology and brand-name upgrade push up trading volume. That's a big "if' though, since experts estimate as many as half the 3,700 companies now on the OTCBB won't be able to meet the new criteria–and few expect those struggling on the bigger boards to flock to it. "I think it will be a case of having to go there rather than choosing to go there," says Scott Bleazard, co-founder of North Las Vegas-based Management Consulting Services, an investor-relations firm.
Ultimately, however, Nasdaq's hope may be to stem an even more embarrassing trend: the annual migration of some of its brightest stars to the NYSE. Last year about 40 firms, including Banknorth, Emulex, and BearingPoint (formerly KPMG Consulting), made the switch, in part for the prestige and global exposure they believe the NYSE provides. With any success, the BBX could potentially "create a farm system of companies that when they get bigger will go onto Nasdaq," says Prof. Daniel G. Weaver of Baruch College.
For companies that do begin listing on the BBX, the benefits are mixed. They will still be exempt from most financial standards, such as the net-asset and share-price minimums that have pushed some 600 companies off Nasdaq in the past two years. But under the new regime, firms would have to pay annual listing fees of $4,000 to $10,000 and meet corporate-governance standards similar to those proposed for other national markets–which may include retaining an independent director with financial expertise. That could put compliance costs anywhere from $50,000 to $200,000, according to Bleazard.
Companies already trading on the OTCBB that have undertaken governance reforms have the most to gain. "We expect it to have more benefits than negatives because we're already doing the negatives," says Anthony Albanese, CEO of Michigan Heritage Bancorp Inc. While the BBX rules will add about $10,000 in costs, Albanese is optimistic about the extra credibility the exchange could afford. "We expect to see better analyst coverage and, hopefully, a higher stock price," he says.
But other executives are unconvinced the upgrade will have the desired effects on institutional investors. "It's a much tougher sell for Nasdaq to raise the credibility of the over-the-counter market than to take something that already has credibility, like the Nasdaq SmallCap, and make adjustments," says Tim Bixby, president and CEO of $8 million LivePerson Inc., a New York-based provider of online sales, marketing, and customer-service solutions. With LivePerson's stock price trailing under the $1-per-share price minimum for more than a year (the stock is now around 75 cents), the company moved to the SmallCap in May 2002, a move that Bixby says has had little impact on its investor base. However, he believes that dropping down to the OTC market–even an upgraded version-"would absolutely have an impact for some of our funds–they just can't own those stocks."
The biggest losers, though, will be those companies unable or unwilling to meet the higher listing fees or requirements. They will be relegated to the Pink Sheets, a market with no SEC reporting requirements, and about Nasdaq's only competition for the penny stocks once the OTCBB disappears. Such a downgrade, though, will also reduce their access to capital, says Brad W. Smith, an OTCBB Advisory Board member and president of WBS&A, a capital-markets advisory firm. And for that reason, he is lobbying Congress to preserve the OTCBB as is. A BBX-only regime, he says, is "evidence that Nasdaq intends to take only the companies that are most profitable to it from the OTCBB and leave behind the regulatory cost" of policing weaker entities.
At this juncture, Nasdaq is clearly looking for a win. After writing off $15.2 million to shut down its Nasdaq Japan exchange last summer, struggling to gain momentum with its two-year-old unprofitable Nasdaq Europe, and having its IPO stymied, growth prospects are dim.
Will the BBX help bolster those prospects? In terms of making up lost revenues, the answer is likely no. "We expect the BBX to be profitable, but to contribute only a small percentage of Nasdaq's total revenue," says the company. But creating a halfway house for its weaker stocks may ultimately make the main market a more hospitable place for healthy companies.
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