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Nietzsche & The Third Reich
Nietzsche, Godfather of Fascism?: On the Uses & Abuses of a Philosophy
Edited by Jacob Golomb & Robert S. Wistrich
Jacob Golomb and Robert S. Wistrich
Nietzsche and fascism? Is it not almost a contradiction in terms? What can Nietzsche have in common with this murderous ideology? The central ideal of Nietzsche's philosophy was the individual and his freedom to shape his own character and destiny. The German philosopher was frequently described as the "radical aristocrat" of the spirit because he abhorred mass culture and strove to cultivate a special kind of human being, the Übermensch, endowed with exceptional spiritual and mental qualities. What can such a thinker have in common with National Socialism's manipulation of the masses for chauvinistic goals that swallowed up the personalities, concerns, and life of the individual?
In 1934, Adolf Hitler paid a much publicized visit to the Nietzsche archives at Weimar. He had gone at the insistent request of its director, Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche (sister of the long-deceased German philosopher), and he was accompanied by his personal photographer, Heinrich Hoffmann. The main purpose of the visit, it seems, was to enable Hoffmann to take a picture of Hitler contemplating the bust of Nietzsche, which stood in the reception room. Perhaps appropriately, only half of the philosopher's head was shown in the picture, which duly appeared in the German press with a caption that read, "The Führer before the bust of the German philosopher whose ideas have fertilized two great popular movements: the National Socialism of Germany and the Fascist movement of Italy."
Although Benito Mussolini was certainly familiar with Nietzsche's writings and was a long-time admirer of the philosopher, Hitler's own connection with Nietzsche remains uncertain. As a soldier during the First World War, he had carried the works of Schopenhauer and not those of Nietzsche in his backpack. There is no reference to Nietzsche in Mein Kampf (though there is to Schopenhauer), and in Hitler's Table Talk, he refers only indirectly to Nietzsche, saying: "In our part of the world, the Jews would have immediately eliminated Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, and Kant. If the Bolsheviks had dominion over us for two hundred years, what works of our past would be handed on to posterity? Our great men would fall into oblivion, or else they'd be presented to future generations as criminals and bandits."1
Thus the picture of Hitler gazing at Nietzsche's bust had more to do with a carefully orchestrated cult, one aspect of which was to connect National Socialism with the philosopher's legacy, at least by association. On October 1944, celebrating the hundredth anniversary of the birth of Nietzsche, Alfred Rosenberg, the leading Nazi party ideologist, delivered an official speech in Weimar, seeking to reinforce this impression: "In a truly historical sense, the National Socialist movement eclipses the rest of the world, much as Nietzsche, the individual, eclipsed the powers of his times."2 Of course, Nietzsche was not the only German philosopher invoked as a spiritual guide and forerunner of the Nazi revolution, but his "Nazification" in the course of the Third Reich is a historical fact that cannot be denied, though it is more open to interpretation than is sometimes assumed.
More of the Introduction: http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7403.html
PDF of Introduction: http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7403.pdf
I own this entire book in PDF form.--- Haven
Reviewed by Peter Bergmann (Department of History, University of Florida)
Published on H-German (October, 2004)
This lively, problematic, but rewarding volume encapsulates the latest phase of Nietzsche interpretation. During the Nazi era, anti-Nietzscheanism became a convenient rallying cry for anti-fascists. Gyoergy Lukacs, in the Soviet hinterland, and Crane Brinton, in Harvard yard, summoned an anti-Hitler, anti-Nietzsche coalition whose admonition for a defeated Germany was abandon Nietzscheanism. The credibility of the "great man" explanation of Nazism (i.e. from Luther to Hitler via Nietzsche) faded as historians trooped into the archives. Intellectual history went out of fashion, and philosophers returned to either ignoring Nietzsche or depoliticizing (i.e. de-nazifying) him. The "new Nietzsche" of postwar existentialism offered refuge from the philistinism of triumphalist Stalinism or liberalism, while the Dionysian undercurrents of the 1960s opened a back door to a post-fascist Nietzsche. The shadow of the Holocaust prompted qualms, however, even in postmodern quarters. Troubled by the fact that the "only politics calling itself Nietzschean" was Nazi, Jacques Derrida warned, "one can't falsify just anything" (pp. 8, 47). The editors of Nietzsche, Godfather of Fascism?, both professors at the University of Jerusalem (one a philosopher, the other an historian), take this stricture to heart. Berel Lang's essay on Nietzsche's "responsibility" for his "misinterpretations" underscores their concern that Nietzsche not escape scot-free.
A cross-section of philosophers, historians, and Germanists along with a theologian and a political scientist bravely struggle with Nietzsche's connection to fascism. Historians have been notoriously out of their depth when faced with Nietzsche's philosophical ruminations, while philosophers have often resorted to heavy breathing and thin abstractions when obliged to consider Nietzsche's political impact. The godfather analogy allows for some indirection. A godfather can be present at the christening as a spiritual guardian or be the underworld boss unleashing the criminality of the nether world. The latter option is never seriously entertained, and the former is employed primarily as a provocation. Representative is Kurt Rudolf Fischer's argument that even if Nazism was a "Nietzschean experiment," Nietzsche functioned more as an accessory than a precursor. The jury of fifteen contributors seem to arrive at the Scotch verdict of "Not Proven." A question is raised, not resolved. Nietzsche is found neither innocent nor guilty, yet inexorably bound to the catastrophic first half of the twentieth century.
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Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) is someone for whom words such as brilliant, disturbing, original, radical, and strange might have been coined. Reading his work helps one to make sense of all sorts of vague impressions and thoughts one may have been too afraid to think through. I always admired Nietzsche for his willingness to question everything; and to choose forms of culture and thought that were useful to him and his projects, something I imagine would be important to African-American thinkers and writers who have inherited various traditions, not all of which are helpful in fulfilling needs or achieving hopes. Nietzsche reminds me not only of the power philosophy has, but of the power of language: his language is one of forceful insight, of formidable style, of wit, of challenge and outrage, of nobility and spirituality. Nietzsche is very attractive; and he can be just as repellent. He was taken up during his life by French historian Hippolyte Adolphe Taine, Danish critic Georg Brandes (yes, Georg), and Swedish playwright August Strindberg, and after his death by Thomas Mann, Georges Bataille, Michel Foucault, and Cornel West—and Hitler and Mussolini. I did an independent study course on Nietzsche many years ago in college and, in my lasting admiration for his criticality and wit, I was taken aback a few years ago when I mentioned him in the midst of a friendly conversation with an Asian studies professor and she described him as a founder of fascism—I didn't know what she was talking about, but now...
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The Nietzsche Legacy in Germany, 1890 - 1990
Steven E. Aschheim
Countless attempts have been made to appropriate the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche for diverse cultural and political ends, but nowhere have these efforts been more sustained and of greater consequence than in Germany. This is a chronicle of the philosopher's presence in German life and politics from before the turn of the century through the recent reunification. Nietzsche, the philosopher who claimed he would never have disciples, emerges as a thinker whose work crucially influenced - and was recast to fit - a multitude of contradictory projects.
Google Books: https://books.google.com/books?id=lPPRA ... &q&f=false
I own this entire book in PDF. -- Haven
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The source: "The Uses and Abuses of Nietzsche in the Third Reich: Alfred
Baeumler's 'Heroic Realism'" by Max Whyte, in Journal of Contemporary History, April 2008.
During World War II, Hitler's soldiers marched off to battle with field-gray editions of Friedrich Nietzsche's works in their packs, and ordinary Germans were occasionally urged on with the philosopher's words. After the defeat at Stalingrad in 1943, Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels declared, "We shall once more justify the words of the philosopher: 'That which does not kill me makes me stronger.'" Yet today Nietzsche (1844–1900) is one of the guiding lights of modern and postmodern thought, his exploitation by the Nazis dismissed as a travesty based on ignorance and willful distortion.
Not so fast, says Max Whyte, who recently received his Ph.D. from the University of Cambridge. Nazi thinkers picked selectively from Nietzsche's vast and ambiguous corpus, but we must still reckon with the fact that many of the philosopher's ideas did lend themselves to the Nazi cause. Liberal bourgeois existence—the very ideas of Christian morality, democracy, and rationality—filled Nietzsche with contempt. God is dead, he declared, and mankind must reinvent itself in a new image of greatness. The door was open.
Among the Nazi thinkers who seized on Nietzsche was Alfred Baeumler (1887–1968). A professor at the Friedrich-Wilhelms-Universität Berlin, Baeumler embraced the Nazi cause around 1930 and was granted an hour-long audience with Hitler himself in 1931, the same year he published his influential Nietzsche: The Philosopher and Politician. Baeumler also edited Nietzsche's works and wrote for the general public; Whyte adds that he was "a close personal and professional ally of Alfred Rosenberg—the self-proclaimed 'chief ideologist of National Socialism.'"
For Nietzsche, the way toward a new human future lay through the ancient Greeks, pioneered by the Übermensch, or superman, a heroic figure who through great struggle would transcend the banalities of everyday experience. Baeumler had to make some twists and turns to get around other Nietzschean ideas, such as the philosopher's emphasis on the creative, Dionysian side of Greek culture (notably in music) over its more orderly Apollonian aspect. He based much of his argument on the posthumous Will to Power (1901), in which Nietzsche argued that the desire to dominate is the most essential human drive, surpassing even the will to live.
Baeumler called his simplified Nietzschean doctrine "heroic realism." Enmity and war were not unfortunate facts of the human condition, he declared, but its essential and perpetual characteristics. Violent conflict was the only path to ennobled human life. Baeumler then shifted the role of the Übermensch to the German Volk (people), hungry for a political and cultural rebirth in the unhappy years after World War I: "The old task of our race reappeared before Nietzsche's eyes: the task to be leaders of Europe."
Baeumler was not alone among Nazi ideol-ogists in drawing on Nietzsche—the philosopher Martin Heidegger shared his view for a time—but some sharply criticized the practice. (Nietzsche had, among other things, spoken out against anti-Semitism.) "Baeumler's depiction of Nietzsche . . . was certainly one-sided and myopic, but it was neither incoherent nor absurd," Whyte concludes. National Socialism was not a cohesive doctrine, he adds, and understanding it, as well as Nietzsche's place in it, remains unfinished business for scholars.
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Adolf Hitler & Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche
philosophical conversations
January 14, 2005
Nietzsche & Fascism
I'm still working on Sarah Kofman at the moment, in particular, her book Le Mepris des Juifs [Contempt for the Jews], in which she attempts to salvage Nietzsche from the interpretation of his work as proto-fascist, and, more importantly for Kofman, anti-Semitic. Kofman provides a 'survey' of Nietzsche's remarks about the Jews, and attempts to contextualise them in terms of the state of his identity, in relation to important figures in his life: his mother, his sister, and Wagner and Schopenhauer. She argues, roughly, that Nietzsche matured when he was able to renounce the anti-Semitic (amongst other things) attitudes of these 'forebears,' and finally came to identify himself as a Jew. As with many critics who rally to Nietzsche's defence against the nazi appropriation, Nietzsche's sister gets a bad rap in this book, elis1933.jpg and it appears that Nietzsche might not have suffered the maligning that he did, had it not been for his sister's presiding over his literary estate, controlling how his books were published, and publicising Nietzsche's work as proto-fascist.
My question to Kofman is, what is her stake in cleansing Nietzsche of the taint of nazism? I read her interpretation of Nietzsche as very much implicated in her own feelings of ambivalence regarding her 'Jewishness'. In the light of her Rue Ordener, Rue Labat (discussed in a previous post). Rue Ordener is an autobiographical account of the trauma she suffered during WWII, after her father had been taken to Auschwitz and she was divided between her mother and a gentile 'lady' who wanted to Christianise her--Kofman perhaps identified not only with Nietzsche's philosophical perspective, but also with his deep ambivalence regarding the Jews. In this respect, her cleansing of Nietzsche of any ambiguity regarding his position on the Jews, is also a cleansing of herself... And Elisabeth Nietzsche plays the part of the dupe, or 'scapegoat,' upon whose back their collective sins are heaped on their day of atonement.
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A Study of Various Nationalist appropriations of Nietzsche in the Weimar Republic
Rex Anderton
A thesis submitted to the University of Birmingham for the degree of MPhil(B) Modern
European Cultures
German Department
School of Humanities
The University of Birmingham
September 2009
Abstract: The aim of this thesis is to identify and evaluate the appropriations of Friedrich Nietzshce's philosophy by three key nationalist figures from Germany during the Weimar Republic (1919-1933). These three individuals are the author Ernst Jünger, and from within the Nazi Party, the Nietzsche scholar, Alfred Baeumler and the ideologue Alfred Rosenberg. There has been significant research into these separate fields of study but the aim here is to consider them alongside one another in order to defend both Nietzsche and Jünger from claims of (proto-) Nazism. In doing so, it will highlight Baeumler's and Rosenberg's misappropriations of Nietzsche's philosophy as well as highlight the ideological gap that existed between Jünger and National Socialism. It looks first at the Nazi appropriations of Nietzsche, then at Jünger's, in each case identifying distance from the original and from one another, considering ideas such as the Good European, the Eternal Recurrence and Transvaluation of all Values. Following this, the concluding chapter summarises the arguments presented throughout, conceding that Nietzsche's inherent ambiguities allow for liberal interpretation in many cases, but that the Nazi examples often overstepped this boundary. Furthermore, it reviews the point that Jünger's ideological distance from the Nazis can be identified through his appropriation of Nietzsche's philosophy.
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dear haven,
im interested in the book Nietzsche, Godfather of Fascism?: On the Uses & Abuses of a Philosophy Edited by Jacob Golomb & Robert S. Wistrich for academic purposes. i see u have it in PDF. would you be so kind to send it to me via [email protected]?
thank you
im interested in the book Nietzsche, Godfather of Fascism?: On the Uses & Abuses of a Philosophy Edited by Jacob Golomb & Robert S. Wistrich for academic purposes. i see u have it in PDF. would you be so kind to send it to me via [email protected]?
thank you
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On Wednesday, the Badgers dropped the first set to Penn State. Midway through the second set, they were still struggling to steal some momentum. That is, until Sydney Hilley walked back to the service line.
Down 17-13, Hilley neatly sunk two aces in a row. No sweat. The All-American held serve for another rally, and suddenly it was a one point game. Wisconsin was feeling it.
From that moment on, Wisconsin never gave the Nittany Lions an inch to operate. Lauren Barnes came on the court to hit two aces to end the third set, 25-13. Barnes and Hilley again led the way behind the service line in the fourth – another 25-13 blow to State.
Nebraska didn't fare any better receiving Wisconsin's serves than Penn State did. The two teams in red and white went point for point all the way through the first set. A Badgers sideout tied the match again at 21-21. Libero Tiffany Clark, undaunted even in a hostile Bob Devaney Center, headed to the line. Two overpass kills and a bonus point later, Wisconsin had game point.
And Molly Haggerty's service run changed the course of the second set when she held for three points to retake the lead for the first time since 4-3. After 18-17, the Badgers stiff-armed Nebraska, maintaining a two-point distance to 25.
Nebraska was feeling the pressure in the third, and the set stayed point for point through 20-20. Then it as Dana Rettke's turn to tee off. She hit an ace and held serve for two more points before Nebraska got the ball back. Wisconsin rolled to the 25-22 finish to complete the sweep.
That's no less than five different players who proved they were able to step up from behind the service line exactly when it mattered.
It's hard to overstate the excellence of what Wisconsin pulled off here. If there was a volleyball textbook, these two matches should be included under the definition of how to manage a game. The Badgers stuck tightly to their opponents until they saw an opening. Then they struck.
Wisconsin was successful because they were able to put together just one critical three-point run per set. One three-point run is all it takes to secure the W.
The wins had to be particularly validating for Wisconsin, whose four non-conference losses were unexpected to say the least. Dropping a five set thriller to Marquette after taking the 2-0 lead? Unusual. Following it up with a 4-set loss to Baylor? Not what you like to see. Succumbing to Washington twice in a row? Ring the alarm bells.
Yet now, Wisconsin is one of the few teams on the national stage that is trending upwards. Stanford lost to Washington. Then Washington turned around and lost to an unranked USC. Kentucky knocked down Florida in an SEC showdown. Texas and Baylor are inching closer and closer to their October 23rd showdown. Nebraska began faltering even before the Wisconsin sweep.
If Wisconsin can continue to back up their experienced, well-balanced lineup with the kind of serving that swings matches, they are going to be formidable. After the Badgers come to Evanston on Wednesday, they will face their next test in Minnesota – one of the only other teams that also seems to be following a positive trajectory.
That match will be a must-watch. Keep an eye out for those three-point service runs. That's where wins are made.


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Categories: business, health and safety, Unions - Tags: health and safety, peter talley, talleys, union-busting
Well, this is downright scary.
If it's all u do today read first 2 pages of "Sir" Peters sub on H&S Bill. Govt is listening 2 this crap #laughorcry http://t.co/4A3c4ojuwn
— Helen Kelly (@helenkellyUnion) June 14, 2015
Whenever unionists talk about the bad employers who put profit over people's lives, the right are quick to wave it away as fear-mongering, blowing a few small examples out of proportion.
Well, here are the words of a man with a $300 million business, employing 5,000 "full time equivalent" staff, who just got a knighthood for his "services to business".
The Bill allows any single worker … to request a Health & Safety representative be appointed. Companies will have no right to oppose the creation of that representative irrespective of their political or Union history, their external relationships … or their ability to perform that role.
Fact: strong worker participation including worker-elected health and safety reps is the best way to improve health and safety. The fact that Peter Talley lists "competence" as the last problematic factor tells you everything about where his priorities lie.
In essence, companies can be asked to create and fund Health & Safety representatives and committees, the effective birthplace of industrial Unions, with no control over their activities…
It's almost like workers have historically been forced to organise to make sure they don't die on the job. God, what a sense of entitlement these peasants have!
Employers are rightly concerned that Sections 66 to 68 have been promulgated by the Union movement as a way to hand control of work groups to unions and employees … the Bill does not make it clear either that any worker group will contain a majority of employer representatives …
That's probably because – and this may shock you – when employers have ultimate control over health and safety, and get to cherry-pick the people who are empowered to enforce health and safety, health and safety outcomes are worse.
Unscrupulous Unions could also use Sections 66 to 68 to intentionally damage or destroy a business …
Yep, that's what unions do. Unions are so evil that they just want to destroy all the businesses everywhere so no one has jobs. Even if you believe the right's age-old lie that "unions are a business", what "business" would destroy its own "customer" base that way, by destroying people's basic ability to spend their money on its "product"?
Sorry, I forgot I was talking to a Talley.
[On the powers of H&S representatives to inspect any part of a workplace in the event of an accident or serious risk to a person's health and safety]
It is inconceivable to even imagine that legislation would propose to 'open' these commercially sensitive production sites to the 'spying eyes' of Union appointed personnel or anyone else other than government employees.
Because even when an accident has already occurred, the divine right of Peter Talley to make money must not be infringed.
… if large fines and imprisonment are to be imposed on employed then they should be entitled to act … to protect themselves. … [T]here needs to be a statutory right to dismiss employees for breaching safety rules and procedures with no right to take a grievance arising from their dismissal.
How convenient that Peter Talley – the man who's trying to force workers to sign contracts which mean they could be dismissed for speaking critically of his draconian master-servant complex – wants more power to summarily fire people.
The whole thing is a farce, born from the brain of a man who honestly believes simultaneously that "unions are failing because they don't offer anything" and "unions are so powerful I must be protected from their evil demands for better health and safety."
And it's all rubbish. Every single point raised contradicts both the Pike River Royal Commission report and the government's own Health and Safety Taskforce, with no greater evidence that "Peter Talley doesn't like it."
I'm sorry that it's inconvenient for Peter Talley to not have workers die on the job, but the facts are the facts. Strong worker participation leads to better health and safety.
The super-ironic thing? I was just talking about this exact same attitude in my post on costly government. Over the long term, having good relationships with your workers and their unions, having strong, genuine health and safety systems, and respecting workers' voices and opinions about their work leads to decreased turnover and increased productivity.
Peter Talley would probably make even more obscene amounts of money by pulling his head in and realising that workers are human beings who just want to be treated with a bit of respect. But I wouldn't hold your breath.
And the real tragedy, after all that comedy? Thanks to people like Peter Talley, the health and safety legislation, born out of the deaths of 29 men at Pike River, will likely be watered down so John Key can keep his caucus happy. And more workers will be injured, or at worst, killed on the job as a result.
Roll on the banana republic…..
Best post yet Stephanie.
These ludicrous gimps like Talley eventually destroy their own businesses. Some years back I was asked by a mate to assist for a couple of days with a system controlling a meat packaging line. Nothing too complex, about a dozen conveyors and gates – and I was happy to help as a favour.
On about the third day I realised that there were no pull lines or sufficient emergency stops – and we asked for a meeting with the project manager. He was a bit non-plussed because he realised we were right – but the answer from the top came back – too expensive and too late to change it.
About 18 months later a woman cleaning in the area, got her hair caught in one of the conveyor nips, was scalped and killed. The same company also killed another worker at another plant in an automatic door, something which should be impossible to do. Not too much longer after that Richmond Meats was out of business.
While there may not have been a direct connection between the deaths and the business dying – in practise there almost always is an indirect one. Smart employers know this and invest heavily in worker safety because they know it is the best possible money they can spend.
The likes of Talley are nothing better than throwback slave masters. Ignorant fools who eventually prove brute failures.
Need corporate manslaughter charges. Will the Labour Party introduce.
The other big driver here in Australia is that the workplace insurers are REALLY tough on employers that kill people.
ACC is a fantastic scheme, but this relative lack of incentives has always been it's Achilles Heel.
Besides the fact that his subimssion puts profits before people in many ways (as Stephanie has pointed out), Talley's aristocratic is illustrated by his lack of comprehension that a group of workers would not consist mostley of employer representatives.
The mind boggles.
But then, we've been here before:
With a wild rattle and clatter, and an inhuman abandonment of consideration not easy to be understood in these days, the carriage dashed through streets and swept round corners, with women screaming before it, and men clutching each other and clutching children out of its way. At last, swooping at a street corner by a fountain, one of its wheels came to a sickening little jolt, and there was a loud cry from a number of voices, and the horses reared and plunged.
But for the latter inconvenience, the carriage probably would not have stopped; carriages were often known to drive on, and leave their wounded behind, and why not? But the frightened valet had got down in a hurry, and there were twenty hands at the horses' bridles.
"What has gone wrong?" said Monsieur, calmly looking out.
A tall man in a nightcap had caught up a bundle from among the feet of the horses, and had laid it on the basement of the fountain, and was down in the mud and wet, howling over it like a wild animal.
"Pardon, Monsieur the Marquis!" said a ragged and submissive man, "it is a child."
"Why does he make that abominable noise? Is it his child?"
"Excuse me, Monsieur the Marquis—it is a pity—yes."
The fountain was a little removed; for the street opened, where it was, into a space some ten or twelve yards square. As the tall man suddenly got up from the ground, and came running at the carriage, Monsieur the Marquis clapped his hand for an instant on his sword-hilt.
"Killed!" shrieked the man, in wild desperation, extending both arms at their length above his head, and staring at him. "Dead!"
The people closed round, and looked at Monsieur the Marquis. There was nothing revealed by the many eyes that looked at him but watchfulness and eagerness; there was no visible menacing or anger. Neither did the people say anything; after the first cry, they had been silent, and they remained so. The voice of the submissive man who had spoken, was flat and tame in its extreme submission. Monsieur the Marquis ran his eyes over them all, as if they had been mere rats come out of their holes.
He took out his purse.
"It is extraordinary to me," said he, "that you people cannot take care of yourselves and your children. One or the other of you is for ever in the way. How do I know what injury you have done my horses. See! Give him that."
He threw out a gold coin for the valet to pick up, and all the heads craned forward that all the eyes might look down at it as it fell. The tall man called out again with a most unearthly cry, "Dead!"
Yes that captures the mindset – not just of the Talleys of this world – but the beaten, submissive mob who could not act.
Not so much because they dared not, but because they were no longer capable of forming the thought.
I should have added the post-script that (spoilers!) Monsieur the Marquis met a sticky end soon after.
Even if the mob does nothing at the time, they remember. And if the winds change, the haves reap the whirlwind.
I think it's page six that Talleys say "employers can't negotiate under threat" i.e. when workers have the power to question employer practices at commercially inconvenient times.
I saw Peter Talley on the news the other week. I thought he looked just like that Serb war criminal Leader, an uncanny resemblance. Most annoyed iwi sell their fishing quota to this scumbag. I think Vela has a far better record as an employer, not hard compared to this lot.
Slobby-Man With-Lots-Of-Fish?
Definitely a resemblence
Utterly bizarre.
Well, he was knighted for his services to his class, not his country – he probably feels obligated to wage a little class warfare as a thank-you to his fellows for putting Sir in front of his name.
Funny thing is, employers like this are what Kiwiblog commenters have in mind when they rant on about there being no need for unions these days – you have to wonder whether they're deluded, or just hate people who work for a living.
Yes, that does fit – seems obvious now you mention it.
I particularly like the way Talley calls out the CTU on its hypocrisy of being against workplace drug testing but saying they have some desire for workplace safety.
Stoned workers cannot be safe.
Drugs & Alcohol not at work mate has always been the Unions stance. Treating workers as dogs by sometimes daily testing is both degrading & insulting.
Random daily testing for drugs and alcohol is a good idea if they start at Parliament first.
If you are using parliament as your benchmark for behavior your standards are very very low.
Says the person citing Peter Talley.
Think a bit deeper, things are not as black & white as you seem to think, theres a difference between 'impairment' (the test of which is expensive) & just doing the cheap piss test which tell you if someone has smoked in the last 30 days. It'll be like testing someone if they had a drink of alcohol in the last 30 days. but I think you just trolling (just taking your past comments as evidence).
you think fishing boats or freezing works are non dangerous industries?
That IS what Talleys do for a crust.
The way I read Stephanie's comment, it looks like she was challenging you to provide evidence in support of your malicious remarks about the CTU,
Curiously, you failed. Shall we take you for a liar, or simply so stupid you believe the things Peter Talley says?
Ah, I see you have been caught out lying about Pike River too.
What a low-life.
And yet sober workers are not safe either, if you look at our workplace injury and mortality rates.
But yes, let's make everyone piss into a cup for fear that an employer might be held accountable for the safety of their workplace…
That's why the Executives, Board and Management at Talley's are all randomly tested, aye Colville
luv it!
They will want to be careful doing that , various household things can give a positive reading for cannabis or other drugs
Taking some Imodium because you have the squirts ? Positive for opiate use
Ibuprofen because you have a bit of a headache ? Positive for cannabis use
The "pee in this cup while i watch" tests are so wildly inaccurate (1 out of 3 positive results are inaccurate by some counts ) any employer paying for them is a mug !
Given the fact those test are incredibly easy to beat, they are a a complete waste of time and money anyway…….
All the 'sympathy' for the Pike River families and dead miners didn't last longer than a handful of photo ops.
We need to keep banging on about Pike River; the fuckers got away with the killing of 29 human beings. National, Labour, the Pike River Company, Peter Whittall.
Pike River Blues https://rdln.wordpress.com/2011/09/26/pike-river-blues/
Pike River lessons https://rdln.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/pike-river-lessons/
Pike River: 'cashflow' versus workers' safety https://rdln.wordpress.com/2012/11/01/pike-river-cashflow-versus-workers-safety/
Pike River company's safety breaches killed 29 workers – it's official https://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/pike-river-company-found-guilty-of-safety-breaches/
What's the latest at Pike River? https://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/whats-the-latest-at-pike-river/
Pike River third anniversary https://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/11/20/pike-river-third-anniversary/
Pike River injustice: taking up Helen Kelly's offer https://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/12/13/pike-river-injustice-taking-up-helen-kellys-offer/
Pike River – the final cover-up? https://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/11/07/pike-river-the-final-cover-up/
Fantastic coverage there Philip.
The mining people I speak to here in Australia are mostly incredulous when I explain how no-one was prosecuted.
The NZ Green s need to be at the top of your roll of shame Philip.
Without them it would have been a traditional safe top down mine.
Please explain yourself with citations.
Seriously, mate you are nearly as full of shit as Peter Talley, but just to give you some facts to chew on:
1. Pike River was under around 600 metres of Karst, marble and Granite overburden in incredibly rough terrain, a long way from any road ends. It would have been technologically impossible let alone financially unsustainable to open cut the mine. The bullshit line that the Greens are responsible is just that, a dishonest spin line created for muppets like you to spew up everywhere.
2. Only the H and S legislation, deregulation and negligent employers created the settings for the tragedy. A panel of people who have a few clues figured it out (I guess that makes you an ignorant blow arse eh!).
Now fuck off back to your box.
Not to mention the extremely high rainfall in the area that would have made stabilising 300 -600m high cut faces a nightmare ….
did anyone mention open cut?
But Colin Dall, the West Coast Regional Council's consents and compliance manager, says the issue of open casting was never proposed. "In my review of the council's records it appears the option for an open cast mine was basically ruled out from the onset, and my understanding is that was because of the economic viability, and the impact of an open cast mine on the ecological values of the area." He made it clear that the company itself had made that call, and the council had had no input into it.
Dall's evidence reinforces that of Solid Energy boss Don Elder earlier in the week, who said at the time of Pike's planning and development international coal prices were far too low for open casting to be economic, given the depth of the coal seam and the amount of earth moving that would be required to expose it.
The Department of Conservation, which administers the land overlying the Pike mining licence, likewise received no proposal from the company to open cast. "It was never discussed," said Craig Jones, DoC community relations officer in charge of concessions, who worked on Pike's access agreement. Nor was there ever a proposal to extend the Pike access road further up the mountainside, which might have enabled a shorter tunnel into the coal seam – an issue that was raised in earlier evidence by former chief inspector of coal mines, Harry Bell. Jones said the matter never came up. In any case the hillside was extremely steep, and the company had already had difficulties in lower stretches of the road that were similarly steep, requiring expensive stabilisation work.
TLDR version … go fuck yourself Colville.
Hey Colville, seems like you have been called out as a lying dickhead.
Do you have any empathy for others?
Scumbag… I walk straight past his products in the supermarket aisles.
It is but a small gesture but makes me feel marginally better.
Same and when in doubt it maybe a Talley product leave it where it sits. Better safe than adding to the Talley's coffers!
But if you decide not to buy Talleys because of this, and not anything made in China you are left with, what? I have already cut down most of the frozen food and buy mostly fresh, but still occasionally need them. Are the other competitors any better?
Thanks. Then it's back to the drawing board for me to pick those who are NZ made or buy fresh, or cook something else 😉
It's Peter's way of saying "thank you", to the National Party.
Why does Mr Talley think that every million he made, and every profit from his company and every bonus he paid his CEO had nothing to do with the effort put in by his workers.
I think all reasonable Kiwis see both sides of this. There are rat bag employers who would/do take the mick, and exploit, in the absence of unions. There are also rat bag unions who make noise, just to justify their existence, before their paying members start to wonder why they are paying fees. I've seen both sides and been in work places where both has happened. Now, I work for someone, who is happy for us staff to form a union, but, we don't need one. We are paid well, and feel appreciated and respected. Maybe she is just scared we will form a union if it wasn't that way. I like to think it's genuine though, I'm sure it is. Please don't tell me I am naive and a passive participant to my own demise, by being manipulated into subservience by the capitalist conspiracy. Yes, I know I am not paid my "true worth" because my boss is making money off my effort. My employer, takes my effort and profits from it, so I am by definition, being exploited. But, I like my job, and I like my boss. End of. To many employers take this equation too far though, and many more would, if it were not for unions. No doubt.
Both sides of what? Peter Talley wants to deny his employees the freedoms of speech and association, and you can see a middle ground…
Good for you.
I have no respect for that company, or that man. There is no middle ground. I was was talking in the general sense about the feelings of people towards unions. Go home. You've obviously had a very bad day.
What do you think the general sense of feeling is towards employers who kill staff and then pretend that employers still know best?
I guess you are like a lot of people who are pretty ambivalent about unions these days
Part of that is a legacy of 30 years of not really having strong unions in this country – and for this reason it is difficult for them to demonstrate value and relevance to most people.
Another part is the legacy of silly scare stories that people like to tell about 'rogue unions' unreasonable demands. I got told one just a week ago about how one mining union walked the guys off the job because there was no strawberry icecream in the dining hall that week.
Yet for the most part these silly positions got taken because the employer was being a dick as well – and when that happens the bargaining often goes pretty queer.
But what almost all non-unionised workers never think about is that virtually ALL of the terms and conditions they enjoy in their current employment were in fact won the hard way by unions fighting for them. Employers never gave an inch on anything voluntarily.
So yes you may well be quite content with your current arrangements … I've no especial beef with that. But at the same time you have no idea what the future holds and just how and when you really DO want someone capable in your corner.
im not ambivalent …. from me elsewhere " Take a look at the Panama Canal, and the Hoover damn, that's extreme, but that's what we can get when there is no collective voice for workers, and no employment laws" … I do appreciate those who fought for that to stop. I also appreciate my current employer, and consider myself fortunate to work somewhere, where none of us feel the need to form a collective, yet we are free to do so. Why do it, just for the sake of it? How do you know what "almost all non-unionised workers never think about"?
Well if I was a non-unionised worker and I did think about it – then I'd be happy to join a union. Out of respect if nothing else.
I can't know what you think, but I can make deductions from your actions.
(Incidentally – in case you are wondering I still have an EPMU card in my wallet, even though its of no use to me right now.)
So if we don't form a union, even though we work for a great company, are all paid well above minimum wage, don't feel like we need a union, but are free to do so, if we choose, we are automatically condemned as people who do not appreciate the fighting others did before us. Interesting mentality.
I'm sorry if you think you are being condemned. As I said above, there are many, many people in NZ these days who are ambivalent about unions and I'd not think to condemn them all for that.
And you've given your reasons for not being especially motivated to join one at this time. Which as I said is all well and good.
But consider this … what is a big corporate, or any business if not a collective of some sort? Why do so many professionals, like doctors and lawyers all belong to a 'union'? Why do organisations like the Manufacturers Association exist? All these organisations are considered unremarkable and normal … and are well supported because they are effective in promoting and protecting the interests of their members.
And yet why is it that when ordinary workers attempt to organise collectively – that people like Talley tell us how awful that is? Often I think it just boils down to good old fashioned snobbery.
It's the funny thing that with a decent employer, the union largely files paperwork and is a backstop in the unlikely event something goes wrong. There's also definitely a place with collective contracts IMO, if only because it stops the infighting that can occur when dick finds out how much harry is being paid.
But I'm a union member even though my workplace is freaking golden. Because in a previous workplace, things were not golden, and I'm not a fairweather friend. Funny thing with that workplace is that it wasn't particulalry unionised initially but the employers kept being docks – in one case a mate went to join the union after a boss did something particularly stupid, the rep took one look at the mate's branded clothing, handed him the signup sheet and said "I know exactly what you're on about, you're the third person from XXXXX to come in today!" 🙂
yeah I agree. It would be interesting to see what really would happen if the crap hit the fan, and we decided to become a collective. That would be the acid test. I guess forming because of a conflict, versus before it happened, would have 2 different dynamics and outcomes. Interesting to ponder though. Good points McFlock, ta heaps!
I am old enough and savvy enough to negotiate for myself but I have joined my union in my workplace because I see how the younger people, beginning their careers get over burdened with more and more work for the same pay, and taken advantage of, and unions help with that.
Proponents of free markets should love Unions, cos they are really just an insurance scheme for workers, with one major difference… they don't try to not pay out on their clients' claims.
Unions are not " just an insurance scheme for workers".
Unions organise workers collectively and negotiate their terms & conditions of employment for the collective good. Unions are the members.
There is more than one major difference between unions and insurance companies. There are multiple differences.
Also, Unions will represent people who were not members of the union until the SHTF.
For me it's the myth and fear some employers and politicians spread that unions will collapse businesses. That has to be nonsense because unions only exist if jobs do. Are there idiots in unions, probably? BUT there seems, on the balance, that there is more for an employer to gain from having no union, than a union to gain from having no business with its members within.
NZ's top CEOS were revealed in the Herald (by top, I mean highest paid) . Double-digit pay increases while their workers average 1.2%
Agree Tracey, I wasn't saying Unions set out to collapse businesses. Just saying, and I have seen it, where the union does it's job, gets the good pay and conditions, then everyone is happy, the union now has nothing to do, they start to worry about what the workers think, paying the fees for no perceived value, and they start causing trouble where it is not necessary. It happens, I've been there. But I'm with you, there are more rat bag employers, than unions. Take a look at the Panama Canal, and the Hoover damn, that's extreme, but that's what we can get when there is no collective voice for workers, and no employment laws. I was about to say, we wouldn't have people dying like they were there, but then … forestry in NZ?
I am referring to what people like Talley, Hooton and others say, at every chance, evil communist unions wanting to destroy the very fabric of life and business.. 😉
If he number of people dying in workplace accidents each year were murders, Governments would be sabre rattling law and order on a daily basis.
Roger that. The media do a crap job too. If the forestry workers, all died in 1 incident, like Pike River, they would have all over the news as well, but no.
Amanda can you give an actual example of : "I have seen it, where the union does it's job, gets the good pay and conditions, then everyone is happy, the union now has nothing to do, they start to worry about what the workers think, paying the fees for no perceived value, and they start causing trouble where it is not necessary" please?
Which unions are "rat-bag"? By definition their members must also be "rat-bag" employees. To whom are you referring to?
By definition no. We were not ratbag employees. Our trouble was caused by industry union officials who had never even worked on our site.
Which union(s)? What year? What industry? Were you and your work-mates clones of Dolly?
I am pro union. I have been in 3. In 28 years, I have only been subject to 1 rat bag incident, completely unnecessary, complete 100% the union making noise where we didn't need it or want it. No I am not naming them. You know what happens if we speak out against the union, and don't tow the line. I still have friends there. Are you a complete moron?
You are the person who referred to rat-bag unions. Now you are saying that there was ONE (1), yes one incident. Yet your 13 post was in the plural!
If they were friends they wouldn't mind your honesty. Surely. and
NO, I don't know what happens when you speak out against the union. Please tell or stop your ruminating.
My assumption was, if there was 1, there might be more. Forgive me. I should have assumed that we were the only union members in NZ in the last 28 years where something like that happened. I retract. And oh yes, of course, my friends would just love to be named. Don't be so stupid. You don't know what happens? haha … game over. Now I absolute know you are taking the Michael.
And the buzzards begin to circle, here they all come …. trying to flush out the dissenters.
You the one suffering from verbal diarrhoea.
Cut the crap Amanda.
Yes, what happens? Because I don't know either. Do they send people round to kneecap you? That would be pretty ratbag.
Your one confused individual 🙂
Stephanie you are on fire this week.
With powerful employers like Talley's people question the need for compulsory unionism.
The CTU must campaign for a return to compulsion. The evidence speaks for itself.
I don't mind if it is voluntary but the vilifying on the back of ideological myth-mongering has to stop.
I thought back in 1990 that voluntary unionism in this country wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. I was an official with a public sector union, who back then were all voluntary and continue to remain so.
Unfortunately I was wrong and I don't mind admitting to be wrong.
The evidence to support a return to compulsion is overwhelming. The world has changed to the detriment of the many since my opinion on voluntary unionism was formed.
I apologise to those who have suffered and to those who feel powerless now due to my lack of understanding and empathy in 1990.
I'm a unionist and opposed to compulsion I've a few good reasons for that.
Unions just need the government to stop passing laws preventing workers from freely and safely organising and to allow unions to get out there and do their good work.
And what would those reason's be?
If my memory serves me, weren't you banging on last night about personal responsibility in defence of the government's responsibilities to it's citizen's?
That wasn't me last night (must check might be someone else with that pseudonym).
Reasons are pretty simple:
Conscription created the same unions that sold out workers in the '80's by supporting the 4th labour government and that were like a deer in the headlights come '91.
Conscription creates complacency, it tends to create disengaged members, it creates institutionalised thinking. Peter Conway wrote a compelling piece on this in 1992 I think it was in the aftermath of the ECA. I'll have to dig it out sometime.
I believe that to return a powerful workers voice, the legislative environment just needs to stop undermining unions. There are good people in the movement who can create a force for change.
Other than financially, I don't see how forcing a bunch of reluctant workers to sign up can help unions all that much. I think creating an environment where workers feel safe to organise and giving the freedom to do it in a way they are comfortable with creates a much stronger (perhaps not financially but in all other ways) union movement.
Trouble is the last 30 years of neoliberal governments have given employers the tools to erode freedom of association on the job. Which by the way is a principle conscription probably breaches too.
Please TRP……"last night……" was not me !
"Personal responsibility….." has become a term of abuse levelled at the poor and disadvantaged by the rich and entitled in their machinations directed to shirking it.
In short, 'Talley Talk'.
+ 100. He was egged-on by his peer's.
Peter Talley went crying to Shane Jones about feeling ripped off by the Aussie supermarket chain Countdown. Jones having been in Talley's pocket made plenty of noise much too the delight of Talley. Nothing proved the Aussie con's were too smart for the dirty family from Croatia and their scumbag links to Hitler's mob.
[Stephanie: There is really no need for xenophobia and Godwin's Law comparisons.]
Bring on the LOVE. You are such lovely people.
Talley's have a long and dishonourable history of contemptible behaviour. I have never bought any of their products since this incident. My health is worth more than a few cents at the supermarket.
TV3 had a story tonight about a Talley meat plant where a worker was poisoned from chemicals in the chiller. The Meat Workers Union took the case. This is just one of many and you should watch TV3 again tomorrow night. And by the way, when I raised these cases with the Select Committee hearing Health & safety submissions, I was threatened with being sued by Talley and they made a supplementary submission saying the MWU submission was dishonest. To their shame, the Select Committee accepted it. I'm not holding my breath for an apology!
But more importantly and immediate, AFFCO Talley workers at Rangiuru are going to the employment court in the morning seeking an injunction to restrain their employer from unlawfully locking them out by requiring them to accept shitty individual agreements if they want to resume work.
Please follow the jobsthatcount Facebook page. These workers are brave, committed, and also worried about their futures. They could do with your support.
Thanks Darien.
As a recent previous spokeperson for the Labour opposition on Industrial Relations and a former and current unionist, what is your view's on a return to compulsory unionism given the evidence that since 1991 Kiwi workers have had a decreasing share of the pie returned to them through wages and salaries and that inequality has become an even greater burden for the have not's?
Hello Darien. Still with us?
By the way I worked at Rangiuru and was a delegate on the night shift in lamb cuts. Hated boning racks and shoulders and have heaps of respect for those workers and their skills.
Kia Kaha.
Hi Atiawa : Sorry was a bit distracted with phone calls from worried AFFCO workers. I have sympathy for compulsory unionism : I thought it was fair. Thousands of workers didn't come 1991 and the ECA and I have vivid memories of the workers who left the union in droves : some because they had no choice, others because somehow we hadn't convinced them unionism was the right thing. I don't think compulsion would work in today's labour market. It's changed so much. I am much more in favour of the Labour Party policy of 2011 and 2014 for industry agreements, (although watered down a bit in 2014). This means every work in an industry has access to union collective bargaining ; and I also support bargaining fees, provided the workers have a free vote and employers don't get to veto it.
No worries Darien and thanks for your answer.
Not sure I agree with you regarding compulsion in todays labour "market". Always better to have educated willing volunteers joining unions. Labour party policy should be the default position if a CTU campaign for compulsion is overwhelmingly rejected by the "workforce".
By the way i think referring to the workforce as the "labour market" degrades workers in an unnecessary way and buys into the employer class narrative that workers are just another cost to their 'market" . Selling one's labour to an employer doesn't make us another commodity to be bought and sold in the market place like a tonne of steel or a barrel of oil.
Good work Darien, that segment on the news would have opened a few eyes to this outfit and the way they behave. forced individual agreements is a shocker and I doubt very much to be legal. You can count on our support we, are planning action in solidarity and will catch up on your visit to our region.
Not allowed to watch TV3 since they sacked John Campbell.
3News story on another Talley health and safety case:
How on earth can someone like Peter Talley be made a "sir" for services to business when he spouts such patent nonsense about workers and their place?
He is clearly a very ignorant man.
Because he sponsors a political party that's supportive of his views.
generous helicopters and chequebookery
If workers' "excessive" demands cause companies to fail, what do the obviously excessive salaries of the highest paid 20 CEOs do to their companies?
If they were being taxed at 85% to 95% then their obscene incomes would be a little more palatable, and their salaries would not increase inequality to such a degree. As the OECD observed recently, inequality is a drag on the economy. I also guess there is inequality in the chances of being killed in the board-room and on the shop-floor.
Caution humour
The shop steward announces the results of negotiations with the employers. 'From now on,' he tells his members, 'all wages are going to be doubled, holidays will be six months a year, and we are only going to have to work on Fridays.' 'What!' comes a cry from the back of the hall. 'Every bloody Friday?'
Just a quick fly by:
a) Great writing as always Stephanie
b) For those readers who haven't had a chance to read the Talley's submission to the Select Committee, do have a look. It's simply absurd. It less about putting forward a comprehensive argument and more about the opportunity for Talley to have an alarmist little rant on his pet subject – the scourge of the union.
Even though they were speaking against different groups, although with cross over in regards to their views on women, Alisdair (because womens sick problems)Thompson, formerly of the EMA and Peter Talley share the same burning contempt for workers.
Men like these are dinosaurs and biggots and should not be in positions of authority when it comes to influencing employment and H&S legislation, or preferably any position of authority at all, unless they can learn to moderate their attitudes.
c) Do watch the tv3 clip that Sacha linked to at 19 and also discussed by Darrien Fenton. It really is well worth a watch. It may plant a seed for those viewers who are not familiar with the history of Talleys and Affco. More public awareness raising like that and we may have the numbers to make a call to get Peter Talley stripped of his knighthood.
How would that work and could it be done?
Shame on you Peter Talley.
I disagree with this law change. Health and Safety is everyones responsibiity in the work place. As an employer I am going to be the one held liable if there is a health and safety incident. Therefore as the employer I should be able to put the person who I feel is the most competent to ensure that Health and Safety is not an issue in our workplace.
i'm all for worker input in fact I value it. In business but you still have someone ultimately steering the ship.
If you think this is funny, you should read his one on climate change !
These fukas are FASCISTS, Talley and co that is nothing less their money is theft of workers dignity
The Talley family want unions banned, and slavery to be brought back (effectively).


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I started noticing a trend a while ago. It seems to be increasingly common to feel a yearning or a draw towards… something. A missing part of yourself. It's about time we look at how to find your twin flame if you don't know who they are but you feel they're out there somewhere.
The simple fact that you know you're missing the second part of your soul is a good sign. Finding this other part of your soul is more than just finding this other person, however. In order to find them and (more importantly) be ready for union you're going to need to focus on yourself for a while.
Not everyone is going to follow the exact same path but after speaking to thousands of people at various stages of their journey, I do think there are some definite patterns and steps you can follow.
Note: most of our guides are geared towards people already on various stages of their twin flame journey and have met them in the 2D. This is one of the few I've done to try and help in finding your twin flame if you're just beginning your journey.
The Steps to Finding Them
The lucky among us will be able to skip one or more of these steps but this is a rough outline of how most journeys go trying to meet your twin flame.
Feel the 'Pull'
A twin flame connection starting long before you ever physically meet. You're likely to feel like there's something more out there or that you're missing a part of yourself. Twin flames are two parts of the same soul that have split into two bodies – it's hard to express exactly how that feels but we can sum it up into one word.
The first step to finding your twin is to actually start looking. Feeling that pull toward them is the common first step whether you've physically met them or not. It usually heralds an awakening and the beginning of your journey to a true twin flame relationship.
Considering you're reading this it's likely that searching for something has brought you here. You might have already found this pull of a twin flame connection – but what now?
Be Honest
… with yourself.
The allure of a twin flame connection is tempting and social media is full of success stories. Speaking as someone who's spoken to literally thousands of people going through the twin flame journey I see people trying to 'force it'.
It can be incredibly hard to tell when you're on a twin flame journey. Doubt and fear is a common part of the early stages of a twin flame relationship.
If there's one takeaway I want you to remember from any of this is finding your twin flame cannot be forced. There are things you can do to make it more likely (which we'll get to in a moment) but trying to force that feeling is the fastest way to wind up with a false twin flame.
There's no set timeline here. For some, it might happen quickly while others are going to need to exercise some patience. I know how strong that pull can feel but you're going to need to be honest with yourself about how you truly feel. Not how you want to feel.
Self Growth
Bear with me on this one.
I promise I will cover external things in a moment and I get that it's not always exciting to look inward when you're trying to meet your twin flame but this is a big part of the journey. Too many people gloss over this because it's just not fun or sexy but there's a reason it's so damn important.
You've probably heard of people talk about stages of separation and the pain which comes with all of that. This happens entirely because twin flames meet too early.
Focusing on yourself and your own spiritual path not only makes it far more likely to actually meet your twin flame to begin with – it makes it far more likely you'll reach union together.
The more spiritually advanced you are, the more likely you'll reach your twin flame. Some are lucky to have done more work in past lives towards this or started earlier this life without understanding why they were doing it.
Wherever your starting point is now – the true path on how to find your twin flame is learning how to find yourself.
Following the Signs
And now we get to the fun part you're really looking for.
There are a lot of different types of signs and life-changing energy trying to lead the two of you together. Probably the most commonly talked about are twin flame numbers (I do suggest reading this if you haven't already).
These signs and patterns span different stages of your journey. They'll give you guidance and reassurance during difficult phases but they can also lead you straight to your twin flame.
The universe sends you unlikely patterns and signs when it's trying to draw your attention to something. It could be something obvious like you both share the same birthday or you keep seeing the same time on your clock when you think of them.
Sometimes the signs are a little harder to spot but the more you keep your eyes out for them, the more guidance you'll be able to receive. Just remember the first rule – be honest with yourself and don't try to force it.
How Do I Recognize My Twin Flame?
This is an interesting one.
You might have heard stories about powerful attraction from across the room the second your eyes meet. Or unconditional love with a complete stranger that overcame you both.
And these are absolutely twin flame signs which you might well experience but twin flame energy can be a little bit more complex than this.
There's an energy between the two of you and it's entirely common for that energy to appear as attraction and for early stages to involve a deep romance and physical… elements.
This energy is a little harder to understand. Few things in a twin flame journey are that simple and your first meeting with a twin flame might fly in an entirely opposite direction. Sometimes the energies will clash and you might immediately reject one another.
As I said, twin flame relationships aren't exactly simple. The one thing you can be sure of is you won't casually miss them. Something will stick out to you – it just won't always be immediate head over heels love.
However that energy first manifests, you'll likely see an increase of external signs trying to get your attention and making sure you don't miss this opportunity.
Is it Rare to Find Your Twin Flame?
This answer is really in two parts and it's important you hear me out here because I don't want you to get disheartened.
Despite what some social media feeds might have you believe it's the twin flame journey is incredibly rare. You only have to look around at the people in your life to realize that most relationships are not twin flames. Very, very few people have even heard of a twin flame let alone feel that pull towards the other part of their soul.
We only have one twin flame (and we'll get to how rare even that is in a moment). Most happy relationships you do know are likely soul mates and not a twin flame relationship.
In my experience, if you've somehow made it this far then you're already ahead of the curve. If you're spiritually advanced enough to be searching for your twin flame then, while it's certainly not guaranteed, it's absolutely a possibility.
While the lucky among us won't have to actively do anything but wait around for the universe to deliver – this isn't a tactic I'd suggest. It's entirely possible for twin flames to fail in reaching union this lifetime. Take the initiative and follow the advice given here to give yourself the best chance to find your twin flame.
Just because it's rare doesn't mean you should give up, trust me it's worth it.
Does Everyone Have a Twin Flame?
I've gone into more detail on this one already but I'll try to sum it up a bit.
No, not everyone has a twin flame. However, we all have the potential to have a twin flame. If you're here, there's a strong possibility that you do have a twin flame out there – but it's not a certainty. And it's likely that most of the people around you don't have one and won't yet be aware of the journey.
Social media is leading to a growth in twin flame popularity which is great in that it's going to bring a lucky few closer to union sooner than they would otherwise – but it's causing a vast misunderstanding of what a twin flame really is. Don't fall into the trap of convincing yourself of a false twin flame just because you've heard the term. Hold out for the real thing.
Keep Working Towards It
If you're feeling that pull but there's no clear sign of them in your life it doesn't mean you should just give up.
This isn't an overnight journey.
Sometimes they will just show up in your life and overcome it like a tidal wave. Sometimes it'll be a slow process. If you do give up hope there's a chance they will just show up in your life unexpectedly but the more you do to help yourself the more likely you are to meet them.
Focus on yourself and watch for external signs. When you boil it right down past all the fluff – that's what it comes down to. If you want further guidance, take a moment to share the details and get a twin flame reading.


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TUCSON (KVOA) — The Community Food Bank of Southern Arizona's Marana branch will expand its services beyond feeding those in need.
Linda Hampton, the Community Food Bank of Marana Executive Director, said the food bank was "gifted two portable office units by Cottonwood Properties."
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Hampton said the Community Food Bank of Marana serves about 700 families each week.
The resource center is set to open in the Fall.
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