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CLEVELAND, Ohio (September 14, 2017) –Visiting Nurse Association of Ohio (VNAO) was proud to host its 3rd Annual Forum & Partner Recognition event on Thursday, September 14. The event, which was held at VNA of Ohio's Cleveland office, was a free networking event for healthcare professionals followed by a panel discussion led by healthcare leaders from the community.
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This presentation will explore some of the bests, firsts, and uniques of Rhode Island, including the uniqueness the author found in writing about the nation's smallest state. This fun presentation will include a quiz to see how much the audience already knows and audience participation in routing out more superlatives and stories about Little Rhody. The audience will reminisce, learn, and gather sufficient ammunition to combat those confused out-of-staters who believe Rhode Island is a part of New York. Additionally, the author will discuss some of the research involved in retrieving the information on our state.
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It's an open secret that movie stars don't dress themselves any more than your 2-year-old. Think Tom Cruise knew what a shawl collar was before someone put him in one? Or that Ryan Gosling woke up one day in a Henley? (Well, maybe.) Fashion in Hollywood involves as much calculation and bartering as negotiating royalties. Which is why the most important person behind an actor's image isn't his agent—it's his stylist. Molly Young spends a week with a Hollywood dresser
The young actor Miles Teller looks like someone who was popular in high school. He's 25 years old and handsome in a pulpy, scarred-up way—think Brando by way of Tampa. Very mammalian. Also hungover from a late night at a sports bar and in need of physical therapy from being run over by a golf cart. When I meet Miles, he is standing in the back room of Confederacy, a Los Angeles boutique co-owned by the stylist Ilaria Urbinati. Ilaria is plucking J.Lindeberg cardigans and Simon Spurr suit jackets from four bulging racks while Miles chugs from a plastic cup. ("This water is delicious.") "Try these," Ilaria commands. Miles jams a pair of cudgel-shaped arms into the Lindeberg cardigan and looks at Ilaria for a verdict. Nope—she shakes her head. Miles is not a cardigan guy. "The rule," she explains to me while handing her client a cream shawl-collar sweater, "is he doesn't have to like it, but he has to try it on."
The cream sweater has a louche, post-colonial vibe, and Miles—who is still new enough in Hollywood to gamely endure the styling process—obediently puts it on. Unknown until he was cast as Nicole Kidman's baby killer in 2010's Rabbit Hole, Miles went on to pick up a role in the remake of Footloose, where his character has a triumphant dance montage in a high school hallway and throughout the town. For a few months now, he's been performing the ill-defined-but-high-stakes role of a young actor "poised" for Hollywood success. He wants better roles in bigger movies, and this week's docket of parties, timed with the opening of awards season—the CAA party, the Warner Bros./InStyle party, the New York Times T Magazine party—counts as a series of informal auditions. Over tequila shots and beneath the stars on rooftop terraces, Miles will make a visual case for his talent before the kinds of people in a position to do something about it. He understands that leading roles go to actors who look like leading men, and he also understands that he has neither the taste nor the access to dress himself like one. Most actors don't.
Technically, Miles hired Ilaria—but only after she agreed to take him on. If a publicist has a client who she thinks could benefit from Ilaria's help, she'll shoot an e-mail to see if Ilaria is interested. If the answer is not an obvious yes, Ilaria will open her laptop and do pretty much what a freshman stock analyst does, which is research the commodity and try to figure out whether it's undervalued or overvalued or what. (Example of an overvalued commodity: Alex Pettyfer, the guy from_ I Am Number Four_. A year ago, any stylist would have agreed to dress him. He was on magazine covers and dated starlets. Then he was on too many magazine covers. Then he failed to follow up with plum roles, acquired a reputation as "overhyped," started calling Hollywood a "shithole" in interviews, and now elicits a one-word reaction from people like Ilaria: "Oof.")
Miles turns around in the cream shawl-collar sweater. He looks like a blister.
"Off," Ilaria instructs, picking a Calvin Klein suit jacket from the racks. Miles slides into it, and this one is a hit. It fits the way a jacket should, which is tighter than you'd expect. (Hint: You should not be able to throw a football in your jacket.) Ilaria buttons Miles into a matching vest and then steps back to take a look; it works so well there's a near-audible click. Ilaria smiles, and Miles glances into the mirror to make the pained appraisal face that men make when they try on a sick suit. A tie bar is located and clipped into place. He looks like a rich man's problematic son.
Ilaria beams with approval. "Do you like it?" she asks, hands clasped in hope. (She loves it.)
"Huh? Yeah. It's cool." (He loves it.)
Before Miles ducks out, the suit must be tailored. Ilaria orbits him, pinning and tucking and swatting his hand when he fidgets. The scene has a Madonna-with-child kind of ritual sweetness about it—the custodial female preparing a helpless young man for the world. When the actor first arrived, he was dressed like a fog bank, in head-to-toe gray. Now he looks worthy of a commemorative coin. Ilaria finishes and steps away once more, arms folded across her chest. The thesis of her stance is clear: This, she's saying,_ is why a man needs a stylist._
Everything I know about the styling industry I've learned from watching The Rachel Zoe Project, which is exactly like_ Moby-Dick_ but with a tiny bronzed woman instead of Ahab, and Anne Hathaway's Oscar dress where the whale ought to be. Zoe shudders and sermonizes over detachable taffeta trains, and her monomania is equally consumptive of everything that crosses her path (like, other people). It is a show in which viewers feel the dire consequences of each decision even as they know that no decision carries any consequence at all. That atmosphere of mid frivolity and dread is one that seems to characterize a very broad strain of modern experience (the possibility of getting fired for a tweet, being self-conscious about your socks at a TSA screening, the News Corp. hacking of Jude Law's cell phone). When I fly to L.A. at the start of awards season to learn about the styling industry, I am not expecting to find God in a Patrik Ervell "winter jean." But it would be neat to see someone else find God in this way.
Awards season is the year's densest concentration of styling activity. It takes place over a six-week stretch between the Golden Globes and the Oscars. This period also includes the SAG Awards, the BAFTA Awards, the Independent Spirit Awards, plus additional lesser-known award shows and a whole raft of ancillary luncheons, presentations, and parties. Stylists dress their clients year-round, but awards season is when their work receives the glare of global scrutiny. One false move (an appearance on a worst-dressed list, say) is enough to wipe out a stylist's market value. The opposite is also true.
This season I will be tagging along with Ilaria, whose roster includes Bradley Cooper, Chris Evans, and Armie Hammer, among others. Armie, a SAG nominee for his role in J. Edgar, has agreed to be the lab mouse for this piece, and all week long I will follow Ilaria as she attends to the scouting, fitting, and tailoring of Armie's outfit.
We meet for dinner at the Chateau Marmont on the night I arrive. The venue is Ilaria's choice, and because it favors the modern speakeasy aesthetic of subtle elevators and misleading staircases, I am instantly lost on my way to the dining patio. Adrift in the lobby among lozenge-shaped tables and the kind of burnt lighting calibrated to flatter a tan, I ask for water and wait. Lindsay Lohan sits nearby with phosphorescent hair, smoking. (Strictly in the literal sense. Sadly.)
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and fitting required to get Armie Hammer into black tie.
Ilaria, who is 32 years old, arrives dressed like an urban sorceress, in swirling skirts and pointy boots. She has auburn hair, a sweet matryoshka-doll face, and an apple-pie friendliness not typically associated with multilingual European women. (She was born in Rome, raised in Paris.) We exchange less than one (English) word before she's flagged down by a trio of airbrushed-looking women at the next table over, who chatter and fling compliments ("You look uh-mazing") at Ilaria until she is able to extract herself and flutter back. "I'm so sorry," she mutters, taking her seat. "Publicists."
Publicists in L.A. get the kind of rote censure that Monday mornings get in Dilbert comics, but they are also feared and taken seriously. When I make her guess, Ilaria estimates that there are about 300 A-list celebrity clients, total. Most are funneled to stylists through the same handful of PR people—a group that includes the ladies seated next to us. "Publicists are God when it comes to getting work," Ilaria tells me. But they also play hardball. A publicist with an A-list client will sometimes, for example, make a stylist agree to dress a couple of the publicist's corny TV clients if she wants the A-lister. (Stylists: Consider unionizing?)
After a publicist makes the introduction, sometimes Ilaria will arrange to meet with a client to discuss what kind of image he wants to project. He'll usually cite other actors (mostly Ryan Gosling and Cooper) and bat around words like "effortless," "rugged," and "classic." It doesn't particularly matter what a client says, because pretty much all stylists have the same reference points. It's like one of those charts at the barbershop with the basic hairstyles diagrammed on it: You've got your crew cut, your Caesar, your Ivy League. In styling, you've got your James Dean, your Marlon Brando, your Steve McQueen, your Paul Newman. When you see ten stars on a best-dressed list looking vaguely alike, it's because their stylists all Googled the same images. "Everything I learned about menswear, I learned from researching online," Ilaria tells me. "I'm very referential."
Ilaria's ticket to A-list status, she tells me, came in the form of Bradley Cooper, whom she partnered with when The Hangover was released. In the time they've worked together, Cooper has transformed himself from a TV actor with a fake-sounding name into someone in the position to dump Renée Zellweger. It would be a stretch to say that Cooper's stylist is the architect of his success, but it would be wrong to say she had nothing to do with it.
When I ask Ilaria how, precisely, a stylist can be instrumental to an actor's ascent, she says a bunch of stuff about Hollywood icons and how "looking like a movie star makes a difference." Later, however, she gives me as good an answer as I'll get: "There's no way you can wear Ed Hardy and be cool in other parts of your life." Translation: A man's clothing is the window to his soul, and a jeweled viper with kanji detailing does not reflect well of that soul.
She's right, in a way. A star's outfit is ontologically distinct from an outfit you or I might wear. In the surface-oriented world of a Ryan Gosling or a Jake Gyllenhaal, clothing is less body shelter than elevator pitch—a case to be made in a time period measured by red-carpet lengths. Gosling's outfit must convey the essence of Gosling. Ditto Gyllenhaal's ensemble. Jeanne Yang, a blue-chip stylist whose clients include Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise, later put it to me in this context: "Anyone can make an occupation of celebrity. Making it a job is what separates the wheat from the chaff." A good celebrity is at all times pitching a concept of himself.
That's why clients will shell out between $500 to $1,000 per event for Ilaria to dress them. She's an investment. (And also, technically a business expense, which made me wonder whether actors deduct her on their tas. I e-mailed Miles to ask. His reply: "I certainly hope so! She's quite the luxury.")
Thing is, even in the age of the J.Crew Ludlow suit jacket and the populist skinny tie, most actors—most men—have no idea how to dress, much less how to distinguish a peak from a notch from a shawl lapel. "That," Ilaria tells me, circling a blob of mozzarella at dinner, "is where I come in."
Though most actors want to be styled, most actors don't want to look styled. Actors tend to be jocks; put them in a slim pant at the beginning and they're all, "This feels weird" and "You can see my balls." They want to look, Ilaria says, "like the sharpest guy in the room who can also go out in the alley and kick someone's ass." In fact, actors tend to be twitchy about even admitting they keep a stylist in their employ. "It's seen as unmanly to have someone sitting there and telling you what clothes to wear," Eli Roth, who was one of Ilaria's clients, told me. "It's like women and Botox. They don't want to cop to using Botox; they just want you to think they look young. Styling is the man's version of Botox."
Roth also told me how one's opinion of stylists changes. "Fashion, for me, used to be a girlfriend dragging me kicking and screaming into a mall," he says. "But Ilaria got me into a cardigan one time, and I instantly met a girl who I started dating. This girl said to me, 'You know why I like you? Because you're in a cardigan.' I mean, she wasn't dating me for a sweater, but the sweater started it."
There's no door to Prada, which just sort of begins at the edge of Rodeo Drive. The omission is thrilling and passive-aggressive, which makes it a very Prada thing to do. "I've had male friends tell me that in order to wear a Prada suit, you can never have gone to the gym and picked up a single weight," the Pulitzer Prize-winning fashion journalist Robin Givhan told me. And she's right: Confidence may get you through Prada's non-door, but only an aberrant sort of frame—youthfully wizened?—can make the clothes look perfect.
By the end of our tour through the store, I am wondering how Ilaria could possibly not dress Armie in Prada. It must be a symptom of effective merchandising, because the same feeling recurs forty minutes later when we're at the Armani store, which is splendid in a different way—cashmeric, which is not a word, but that is how it feels. At Armani, the beanies stand on plinths and the carpet looks like raked sand. It's a conservative label: classic. The tus we browse have a seductive "Step into my office" quality—they seem constructed with the sole aim of conveying power. Prada tus, by contrast, are built to show off the body. Two different kinds of sexiness.
It seems fair to note here that no one in Hollywood buys his own clothes. No actor does, I mean. They don't. "They won't even buy a fucking T-shirt," Ilaria marvels. She means this in two senses: One, actors don't physically go shopping (their stylists do), and two, they do not pay money for the clothes they wear. At Ferragamo, for example, I watch a PR woman show Ilaria a butterscotch suede bomber jacket, to which the stylist's one-word reply is: "Bradley." And that's it—that's all it takes. Later in the day, an assistant will be dispatched to drop the item off at Bradley Cooper's place. Maybe he'll like it, maybe not. The piece retails for $4,700.
Back at Armani, Ilaria is trailed by a PR guy. At one point, he pauses and holds up a velvet jacket. "So_ rico suave_," he says. "For Armie?"
"It's beautiful, and I get it," Ilaria says, "but no. For Nic Cage, yes. Not for Armie." Nic Cage likes deep, lordly colors. And velvet. "I think it's good to have a, uh, velvet selection for Cage," she remarks.
But Ilaria knew that Armani wasn't lending to Cage. She'd received an e-mail from Armani that afternoon saying as much. I'd asked her why—had his stock as an actor fallen? Is that how it worked? "Not really," Ilaria said. When a brand refuses to dress a person, she explained, it's because that person doesn't mesh with the brand's conception of itself. The rest was implied. I guess Armani doesn't conceive of itself as a turbulent and possibly bankrupt label that collects classic comic books.
After outfits for Armie are pulled, the PR guy pauses for a brief time-out period for awards gossip and speculation. He distributes Red Vines from a tub, which prompts everyone to say, "Ugh, I shouldn't," and then guiltily eat some. (People in L.A. talk about their bodies the way people in New York talk about their work, which is fucking constantly. The next day I will hear Armie Hammer's publicist tell him with zero irony: "Your dog is in great shape.")
"You're gonna put Armie in Armani, right?" I ask Ilaria as we leave. For a traditionally formed (read: man-shaped) man like Armie, there seems to be no choice but Armani, and I am still drunk on luxury. But Ilaria shrugs: "May the best tux win."
Not that the best tux is necessarily the most memorable tux. To put it simply, dressing well is a matter of calculated risks, and most people are bad at risk assessment. Dinner at the Chateau Marmont provided three vivid illustrations of why the average man should not fuck with formal pajamas. In the hands of a professional, slovenly is insouciant and lands you on the best-dressed list. In the hands of an amateur—well, look around. Stylists know about risk, and they know that men don't want to look as though they've been tinkered with. "My signature," Jeanne Yang said, "is for it to look like I'm not there."
On the way home, we make a quick stop at the tailor's, which is located in a West Hollywood mini-mall. Ilaria needs to pick up some clothes for another client. A handful of Russians toil in the back, each woman knish-shaped and displaying feats of small muscle control. At our entrance, one points to another and says, "Brad Pitt's jacket." The one with Brad Pitt's jacket gives us a call-someone-who-cares look and says "Gucci" without pausing from her work.
While we wait, an e-mail pings into Ilaria's phone. She reads: "Do we want chunky, slim, or technical?" The message is from a watchmaker. Obviously the answer is slim. Always slim. Ilaria lists droopily to one side as she thumb-types a response; she's been going on four hours of sleep for more than a week, and it's starting to catch up with her. "The fact that I'm allergic to coffee is like God's evil little joke on me," she says.
Tomorrow, Ilaria will swing by the shops we visited today in order to pick up the chosen items, which at that point will be packaged and ready to go. This is the moment, inevitably, when a PR rep will slyly pitch the items, knowing that her label is in competition with others. Because red-carpet exposure is cheap and effective advertising, salespeople are inclined to get pushy. As Ilaria hoisted Armie's tudo options at Prada, I heard a PR person murmur, "We're only dressing three people for the [SAG] Awards this year." It wasn't a hard sell, but the woman's timing was deft, with the line delivered at precisely the moment Ilaria's professional debt was actualized in the form of cumbersome garment bags. Ilaria smiled and made her way from the doorless store without making any promises, but her doll face clouded over. Nonetheless, she stands firm: The best tux will win.
Armie Hammer's fitting is scheduled on a Saturday at Ilaria's house. He arrives at her West Hollywood bungalow around noon to try on tudos, a shrieking Welsh terrier named Archie in tow. At six foot five, Armie is taller than Ilaria's front door, with thick hair and teeth as white as table sugar. (His particular kind of handsomeness, which magazine writers like to call "retro" or compare to Gary Cooper's, is actually just the complete absence of feminine traits. Rare for actors today.)
Armie is starving, in the way that giant men are always starving, and quickly homes in on Ilaria's snack selection.
"There's coconut water in the fridge," she tells Armie. At this particular instant in L.A., there is always coconut water in the fridge. On the kitchen counter: Pirate's Booty, fruit plates, cheeses, and fancy crackers.
When it comes to styling a man, snacks are an important diversion. Women, in general, don't mind fittings and can withstand hours of pinning without complaint. Not so much men. And while Armie is too polite to admit that he hates fittings, his face does not exactly blossom with zeal at the sight of twenty tudos, fourteen bow ties, twenty-seven pocket squares, ten tie bars, four Jaeger-LeCoultre watches, and three cummerbunds. "This cheese is delicious," he says uneasily, carving out a third slice of Cheddar.
It is important to point out—because no one will come right out and say it—that the purpose of a day like today is to steer a guy like Armie toward the fashion-icon status of a guy like Ryan Gosling. Gosling is now the gold standard of personal style. In May of last year, he showed up at a dinner in Cannes wearing a custom Ferragamo Prince of Wales suit with two-tone shoes, all of his own choosing. Two days later, he was in a navy pajama top, cream slacks, and wingtip shoes. That evening, he walked the red carpet in an azure Ferragamo tux that shimmered like a tuna fish. Amazing. The Gosling phenomenon is curious, though, because he achieved the status without going through any transitional phase whatsoever. One day he was in a Harley- Davidson-logo tee, sporting a floppy forelock. The next he was in brocade Ferragamo with velvet lapels. He became iconic by looking iconic, and now every publicist wants her client to have a closet like Gosling's, in hopes that a career like his will follow.
Attributing causality to violent changes in dress is usually easy: It's a new girlfriend, entry into a new weight class, or, in the case of actors, a new stylist. But none of this applies to Gosling, who enjoys an active dating life, maintains a steady BMI, and doesn't employ a stylist. It's as though he skipped puberty. Whatever the secret, he's the actor who best represents how powerful the mantle of style icon can be. Ilaria sums up the GoslingTouch in this way: "He has that mix of not giving a fuck and at the same time really giving a fuck." Sartorial charisma, you could call it. Good luck replicating that at home.
Armie is not yet a Gosling, but with light coaxing he is maneuvered from buffet table to clothing rack, and that's a start. At least there's only one pair of shoes to choose from this time around—Prada was the only label, it turns out, with size 14 in stock.
"How's this?" Ilaria asks, extracting a flannel Armani jacket. "Nah," Armie says. She moves on. What about a charcoal Calvin Klein tux? The charcoal will show up well with a flash. Armie tries it on, but the jacket fits weird, and then Archie is barking and humping Armie's publicist, who gamely repulses the terrier. Now distracted from the task at hand, Armie starts telling everyone how he conditioned Archie against eating human food by feeding the dog tiny daubs of hot sauce whenever he nosed onto his master's dinner plate. Everyone agrees that this is a good tactic. Then the actor is striking Laurel-and-Hardy poses and checking out the pantry ("Dude, it's huge!") like the amiable 25-year-old that he is. For a celebrity, he's fairly normal. His name could be Josh. He starts making penis jokes.
"I'm so well-hung it hurts my back," he tells Ilaria, who can't pin because she's cracking up. "I have to wear six pairs of Speedos when I run."
"Stop moving and this'll go faster," she says, recomposing her work face. "You haven't stood still for two minutes." Next she puts him in a midnight blue Gucci tux. When he turns to face the room, there is, once again, a tangible click. His publicist loves it. Ilaria, too. But as everyone coos over the Gucci, a problem occurs to me.
"Wait," I say, unaware that I'm asking a stupid question. "If we're not allowed to mix labels—doesn't he have to wear a Prada tux?"
There's a long and destabilizing get-a-loadof- this-genius pause.
"Not necessarily," Ilaria answers carefully. "If he buys the Prada shoes, he can wear them with the Gucci suit."
So, celebrities do pay for clothes?
"At a discount," Ilaria clarifies. (The VIP discount is usually between 30 and 50 percent.) Armie doesn't look thrilled about the possibility of paying for his own shoes. A minute later, he's asking Ilaria about whether she can get him some complimentary Rainbow flip-flops. He loves those flip-flops.
"Oh yeah, totally," she says.
"Let's do that."
Maybe they don't pay for anything.
In Armie's case, not even the styling. Most of Ilaria's business comes not from single clients but from studios, where the pay rate is much higher—$10,000 or $20,000 for a press tour, say. In the case of a press tour, Ilaria will pack individual outfits together, mark each one for its event ("Letterman Appearance"), and include detailed instructions for her client to ecute. ("Tuck the shirt and roll the sleeves.") Socks are included; everything is labeled. It's like a mother packing her kid's duffel for summer camp with his name sewn in all the underwear.
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The Gucci looks great on Armie, but Ilaria wants to see him in a couple more tus to compare. By now it's been ninety minutes, and her client is squirming. Ilaria: "He literally wants to kill himself right now."
Armie: "Not myself."
Unlike Miles Teller, Armie's charm has a sheen to it—the charm of someone raised among adults who expected him to pull his weight at the dinner table. His next big movie is a remake of Snow White that stars Julia Roberts as the Evil Queen. Armie plays Prince Charming, which is such an obvious bit of casting that his name ought to be followed by duh on the movie poster.
Ilaria persuades the actor to try on an Armani tux, but it's not right for him. Strange buttons. Then Ferragamo. Close, but not quite. Finally Zegna, which is too small. Teeny. "It's a midget jacket," Ilaria squeals.
"Please," Armie corrects her. "Little-person jacket."
Once the decision (Gucci tux, Prada shoes) is final and the tailoring complete, Ilaria reminds Armie to button the top button of his jacket for photos. When she tailors a suit to the millimeter and then some dude goes on the red carpet with his suit jacket hanging open? It kills her. Kills her. Armie promises to button, and then it's time for Ilaria to hand down the verdict, which means phoning the winning store to let them know her client will be wearing Gucci. That's a fun call to make. It's not as fun to reject a label, which she does by e-mail. Afterward, Ilaria's assistant will repackage the unpicked garments and return them to their proper stores. The entire process generally takes seventy-two hours. Multiply that by the number of client events Ilaria juggles at any one time—fifteen, say—and you've got a job customized for type-A individuals who live to make lists and keep reckless sleep schedules. If gossip bloggers had any idea how punishing the job is, they'd stop giving Rachel Zoe grief for looking haggard.
Armie Shows up at the SAG Awards two weeks later, buttoned and princely. The midnight blue Gucci tux has merged with the person inside of it to form an indivisible image of manhood. The bow tie is black grosgrain; Armie's hair is slicked back to form a little dust ruffle at his neck. And I wonder whether it's a coincidence or a beautifully coherent episode of brand building that for the twelve months or so since he was cast in the Snow White remake, he has appeared to be playing Prince Charming every time he steps onto a red carpet. At SAG, his wife is by his side, a wisp in cream silk jersey, beaming. They look like figures on a cake. It's a classical composition, but it's about as far from a genius fashion moment as you can get, which, in a way, means that Ilaria has done her job. The Gucci tux gets Armie on a couple of best-dressed lists.
This, in the end, is the puzzling thing about stylists. Their job is about delivering a flawless rendition of what the world expects to see. It's like singing the national anthem at an MLB game. A publicist conscripts someone like Ilaria to provide technical expertise (pinning and fitting), access to designers, and a working knowledge of trends, not to create a game-changing fashion moment.
"Image consultant," perhaps, would be a better name than "stylist." In the cautious universe of branding, appearance is an expression of discipline, and there's simply too much money riding on a star to make actual stylishness worthwhile. "Taking risks is not profitable," the style journalist Cintra Wilson said, spelling it out for me. "To anyone."
Armie, with his perfectly symmetrical, khaki-colored charm, is what young men like Miles Teller hope to become. And it's the antithesis of what a guy like Mickey Rourke represents when he rolls through the Oscars in a white pimp suit and Chihuahua necklace. If Rourke were in politics, we would call him unelectable. But apparently we like our celebrities the way we like our politicians: plausibly human, not too human. Every generation gets the famous people it deserves.
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The researchers also found a result they had not been looking for. They discovered that when they hit an individual nanoribbon with a microfocused x-ray beam, it not only produced the x-ray diffraction patterns they were using for their measurements, but also generated strong visible light emission. That light appeared not only at the spot where the beam struck, but also at the ends of the ribbons, showing the ribbons were acting as waveguides. That ability to route light of different colors means the nanoribbons may help in the creation of circuits inside optical devices, which use light beams to perform their functions.
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Where's The Iraqi Voice?
By Noam Chomsky
23/02/08 "ICH" -- -- THE US occupying army in Iraq
(euphemistically called the Multi-National Force-Iraq) carries
out extensive studies of popular attitudes. Its December 2007
report of a study of focus groups was uncharacteristically
The report concluded that the survey "provides very strong
evidence" to refute the common view that "national
reconciliation is neither anticipated nor possible". On the
contrary, the survey found that a sense of "optimistic
possibility permeated all focus groups ... and far more
commonalities than differences are found among these seemingly
diverse groups of Iraqis."
This discovery of "shared beliefs" among Iraqis throughout the
country is "good news, according to a military analysis of the
results", Karen deYoung reports in The Washington Post.
The "shared beliefs" were identified in the report. To quote
deYoung, "Iraqis of all sectarian and ethnic groups believe that
the U.S. military invasion is the primary root of the violent
differences among them, and see the departure of 'occupying
forces' as the key to national reconciliation."
So, according to Iraqis, there is hope of national
reconciliation if the invaders, responsible for the internal
violence, withdraw and leave Iraq to Iraqis.
The report did not mention other good news: Iraqis appear to
accept the highest values of Americans, as established at the
Nuremberg Tribunal -- specifically, that aggression -- "invasion
by its armed forces" by one state "of the territory of another
state" -- is "the supreme international crime differing only
from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the
accumulated evil of the whole". The chief US prosecutor at
Nuremberg, Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson, forcefully
insisted that the Tribunal would be mere farce if we do not
apply its principles to ourselves.
Unlike Iraqis, the United States, indeed the West generally,
rejects the lofty values professed at Nuremberg, an interesting
indication of the substance of the famous "clash of
More good news was reported by Gen David Petraeus and Ambassador
to Iraq Ryan Crocker during the extravaganza staged on September
11, 2007. Only a cynic might imagine that the timing was
intended to insinuate the Bush-Cheney claims of links between
Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, so that by committing the
"supreme international crime" they were defending the world
against terror -- which increased sevenfold as a result of the
invasion, according to an analysis last year by terrorism
specialists Peter Bergen and Paul Cruickshank.
Petraeus and Crocker provided figures to show that the Iraqi
government was greatly accelerating spending on reconstruction,
reaching a quarter of the funding set aside for that purpose.
Good news indeed, until it was investigated by the Government
Accountability Office, which found that the actual figure was
one-sixth of what Petraeus and Crocker reported, a 50 per cent
decline from the preceding year.
More good news is the decline in sectarian violence,
attributable in part to the success of the murderous ethnic
cleansing that Iraqis blame on the invasion; there are fewer
targets for sectarian killing. But it is also attributable to
Washington's decision to support the tribal groups that had
organised to drive out Iraqi Al Qaeda, and to an increase in US
It is possible that Petraeus's strategy may approach the success
of the Russians in Chechnya, where fighting is now "limited and
sporadic, and Grozny is in the midst of a building boom" after
having been reduced to rubble by the Russian attack, CJ Chivers
reports in the New York Times last September.
Perhaps some day Baghdad and Fallujah too will enjoy
"electricity restored in many neighbourhoods, new businesses
opening and the city's main streets repaved", as in booming
Grozny. Possible, but dubious, considering the likely
consequence of creating warlord armies that may be the seeds of
even greater sectarian violence, adding to the "accumulated
evil" of the aggression. Iraqis are not alone in believing that
national reconciliation is possible. A Canadian-run poll found
that Afghans are hopeful about the future and favour the
presence of Canadian and other foreign troops -- the "good news"
that made the headlines.
The small print suggests some qualifications. Only 20 per cent
"think the Taleban will prevail once foreign troops leave".
Three-quarters support negotiations between the US-backed Karzai
government and the Taleban, and over half favour a coalition
government. The great majority therefore strongly disagree with
the US-Canadian stance, and believe that peace is possible with
a turn towards peaceful means. Though the question was not asked
in the poll, it seems a reasonable surmise that the foreign
presence is favoured for aid and reconstruction.
There are, of course, numerous questions about polls in
countries under foreign military occupation, particularly in
places like southern Afghanistan. But the results of the Iraq
and Afghan studies conform to earlier ones, and should not be
Recent polls in Pakistan also provide "good news" for
Washington. Fully 5 per cent favour allowing US or other foreign
troops to enter Pakistan "to pursue or capture Al Qaeda
fighters". Nine per cent favour allowing US forces "to pursue
and capture Taleban insurgents who have crossed over from
Almost half favour allowing Pakistani troops to do so. And only
a little more than 80 per cent regard the US military presence
in Asia and Afghanistan as a threat to Pakistan, while an
overwhelming majority believe that the United States is trying
to harm the Islamic world. The good news is that these results
are a considerable improvement over October 2001, when a
Newsweek poll found that "eighty-three per cent of Pakistanis
surveyed say they side with the Taleban, with a mere three per
cent expressing support for the United States," and over 80 per
cent described Osama bin Laden as a guerrilla and six per cent a
Amid the outpouring of good news from across the region, there
is now much earnest debate among political candidates,
government officials and commentators concerning the options
available to the US in Iraq. One voice is consistently missing:
that of Iraqis. Their "shared beliefs" are well known, as in the
past. But they cannot be permitted to choose their own path any
more than young children can. Only the conquerors have that
Perhaps here too there are some lessons about the "clash of
Noam Chomsky is a professor of linguistics at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the author, most
recently, of Hegemony or Survival Americas Quest for Global
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Okay, this is the only other film co-starring Mark that I have not yet seen (the other being The Substitute). If you've got insight, depth, feelings, emotions, or opinions about Basketball Diaries, please share them with us.
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mark what are u waiting on-go rent the movie. it has been so long since i seen this movie, but i do remember mark in the movie and he was great.
just like "fear" he gave a great performance!
go rent the movie! what are you waiting for?
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K!! Can someone please tell me one thing..?? After i finished looking up Mark on the net it said he was in "The Substitute" So i grabbed the movie and watched it, but he wasnt in it!! Why is that?? Is there another movie that goes by this name or what?? By the way i love Marky Mark..he is the all time best actor!! He's always got my vote!!
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Yup there is another movie named the substitute. The one Mark is in was made in 1993(i think) and he's on the cover of it along w/ the teacher lady but it was a made-for-tv movie so its really hard to buy but it might be up for sale at eBay.com. you could check there
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Yes, you can buy "The Substitute" from Amazon.com. I know because I own it, but it is EXPENSIVE. About $71!! Reason being, they get it directly from the studio, so it costs a lot more. Still, it was worth it to me, because I knew I'd never find it to rent, and I was dying of curiosity. It is not as bad a movie as I was led to believe-- your average slasher film, but I've seen worse. Anyway, Mark's role isn't big, but crucial to the plot. He does a great job, though it isn't much of a stretch for him. He plays your typical gang-banger thug type.
But he was cute in a smartass, tough way.
I wish his part could have lasted longer, but even then, you can see the seeds of his telent!
I have seen everything now except "The Corruptor", "The Yards", and "The Basketball Diaries", (I have ordered "Corruptor" and the B-Ball Diaries.) It is cool to watch all his films and see how he progresses. As much as I loved "Three Kings", I think he will be AWESOME in "The Perfect Storm" and "Metal God". MARK my words--he is destined to win an Oscar someday!! Yeah, Baby!!
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I think you'll love the Corrupter. I have seen it at least a 1/2 dozen times. I bought a previously viewed copy in December but I have a NEW copy on order.
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I agree~I liked the corruptor a lot too.It was really interesting and I think out of all his films he looked the best in this one and that he looked really good in those glasses he wore even if I'm probably the only one that thinks so~lol. and the best part is you get a clear shot of his butt in it! hehe
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2000 7:19 pm
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I am getting really anxious for my copy of "The Corruptor"!! After what y'all said, I can hardly wait to see this film! Plus, I've read several articles about it. I know Mark had to learn some Cantonese, and I am so curious to hear how he does with that. He really is broadening his scope of acting, a little more with every role, I think. And then the few pix I've seen make him look SO CUTE! After seeing him in "bad guy" parts, it will be interesting to see him as a cop.
Another reason I like his acting, is that he tries different things all the time. This is why I think he will win awards at some point, because he is always pushing to do better, and not just stay in one place. I do not see how anyone can watch his films and say he isn't a significant addition to the acting profession! Now and then I hear remarks that just make me want to scream, but I know some folks will have to eat their words someday. Thank God for this website, and for people who know REAL TALENT when they see it!!
Hopefully sometime in Feb., I'll have my copy and can watch it and give y'all my thoughts. I don't want to rent it, (unless I absolutely have no alternative), because I know I wouldn't want to give the film back!
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Your not alone on the glasses. I think Mark looked sexy in them as well. Not many men could have pulled off that look with the glasses & still be drop dead gorgeous. Then again Mark looks sexy regardless of what he is or isn't wearing.
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When has Mark NOT been sexy?!
The man could have the FLU, and still look good!! lol! I have seen a b/w pix of him with sun-shades on, and he does look COOL. But if you mean like regular glasses, you are right that every guy can't pull that off. Leave it to Mark to be the one! He always seems to land on his feet, no matter what is called for. This is why he is a success in sho-biz!! What a FLY guy!!
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Well, as I may have said elsewhere, I finally saw and got my copy of "The Corruptor". Mark did a perfect job with the Cantonese, btw, which I was so curious about!
I thought it was a very good movie; kept me guessing. Chow-Yun Fat was excellent, also!
Mark does look very studious w/specs, but I like him better w/o. It was a nice touch though, for the character. It's the details that make characters so interesting!
Mark just has a natural acting ability, that's all there is ot it. If this man does not receive an Oscar w/i the next 10 years, I'm going to be SHOCKED.
Also, the scene where his partner leaves him with those 2 women made me laugh. Oh gee, what a tough assignment THAT was!! lol!
And, dam*, doesn't he look great in uniform!
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Hi mark,
well,this was the first movie i sow with mark w.working on it,a friend of mine is in love with Leo Dicaprio and one day she brought me a copy that is steel with me.Let me tell you that he did his job so well that i hated him,(imagine that!).I recomend you this movie first of all for the cast(Juliette Lewis and Leo were grat too),then for the music(Sungarden Jim carroll with Pearl Jam,The Cult,The Doors,etc),and of course,the story.Carroll's life is very interesting.
I would like to recomend you All about my mother too,its a good movie too.
So go ahead,enjoy it.
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This movie to SO excellent; I think all children from 12 - 21 should be manditorily required to view this film in school. It might help put in another foothold on "the war against drugs". The keyword for this film is REAL.
Aces to Leo, Mark, and all the other guys!
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Basketball Diaries was a very affecting movie
and I thought Mark Wahlberg's character was one of the most interesting and colorful. He made the role totally believable to me. There's something about Mark's acting that makes me feel like he's been there. This is evident in every one of his roles and I think it's because he is such a good actor. If an actor can make us believe that he IS that character, that's great acting.
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Just thought BBall diaries forum should play catch up and I have this say ...fit little devil that mark eh! that scene where he is going after the dealer he jumps straight over the rail and then climbs over the car at speed ...ok I don't like how it ends for either the dealer or mark .
that's it
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I'm starting to like really weird rap music
So like a lot of you, I started as a kid listening to Eminem, Dre, Linkin Park, Jay-Z, and etc.
Somewhere along there I lost interest... but i've been coming back as of late with artists like Joey bada$$ death grips and el-p (who I guess has been around a long time, fuq do I know)
Anyways, I stumbled upon this, which has just solidified my feeling that I like really weird rap - http://youtu.be/C9qSKPDRTuE
What else am I missing out on?
Anything on or related to Anticon is usually worth a go, and Lex are good too.
Try Aesop Rock, Passage, Restiform Bodies, Sage Francis, Beans, Pedestrian, Alias, Sole, Kill The Vultures, Oddjobs, Clouddead, Cannibal Ox, MF Doom, Busdriver, Themselves, Mr Lif, Murs, Subtle, Atmosphere. And Outkast, obv. You'll have a blast._TheBeautifulOnes_ and imho this'd this
Alias, Sole, Clouddead, Cannibal Ox, Themselves, Subtle, Pre 2005 Why?, MC Pitman (funny)
It's not rap, but RJD2's Deadringer is absolutely ace too.
- lemonbrickcombo and Joseph_SP this'd this
was expecting a foray into rap by Alan Shearer.
There's a soul and Motown covers album by Vinnie Jones, you'll be enriched to learn.
i'm well enriched
this is Andy Cole's single
will check out Vincent Jones' music soon.
Is this 'Sexy Like Cheese'?
That's my jam.
I'm not going to lie to any of you: not only did I not know Vinnie Jones made an album of soul covers, but until looking at his Wiki page, I didn't know he was a footballer, either.
I love learning.
- Cementimental and Oissin_ this'd this
- stanstubbs this'd this
Eyedea & Abilities
Dalekbj72 this'd this
for Dalekbadmanreturns, Loui_Tacceh, Aconite, and robellovich this'd this
autistic outsider rapper, genuinely moving/depressing stuff sometimes...
... as is Ailientated
That's me life right there. Asperger's is shit.
Going to check the thread... peeping anti-con stuff out right now...wow... sick
i suppose kool keith is kinda like the father of all this stuff.
check him out if you haven't already.theShipment, themolegerald, georgiabeth, and DaddyorChips this'd this
remember this one an'all!
still sounds gr8fuck_this_band this'd this
^definitely this. think i prefer the original though ;;;;)
Someone Pm'd me Blue Flowers by his alias Dr octagon. lol. Amazing
*not that weird though
But lets be clear, there's nothing even remotely weird about Joey Bada$$
- tommydudedervan and JaguarPirate this'd this
I think of 'weird' as more of a production thing? Eminem's is pretty straight up.georgiabeth this'd this
Oh yeah, production-wise he is.
I think of it lyrically as well, just the whole package really, he's a much weirder figure than Joey Bada$$, or he was initially at any rate.
I mean, The Marshall Mathers LP just feels so weird
because of how twisted it gets.
It's all opinion though :-)
Yo... in actuality that was a bad reference... because really he is playing off the old style which makes him pretty "norm" .. I guess I was just naming people I liked and to me he is really new :P
cue the DEATH TO FALSE HIPHOP cunts piling in with their scorn
come on, you're out there, bring it if you got it
lol... prepare... they are coming!
Actually nothing pretentious yet... i'm pleasantly surprised
I hate pretty much everything mentioned in this thread.
But whatever people can like it if they want. I just get annoyed when people dismiss mainstream hip-hop when the reality is it's produced far more fucked up, weird and experimental music than Anticon or some other lame 'alternative' label.georgiabeth, lemonbrickcombo, and coolerthantv this'd this
So really...
you are the hater
Kind of when you criticize people for the exact behavior your involved in. What is wrong with the video I posted? - http://youtu.be/C9qSKPDRTuE
The rappers are very annoying, for one.
There's nothing weird about it, for two.
- fuck_this_band this'd this
i dunno man, i mean that's a snappy soundbite but is it actually true? back it up! i'm not a big fan of anticon but there's plenty of interesting music in this thread. also i think most people who dismiss mainstream hiphop do so because of the widespread bigotry, and that's pretty valid.
- georgiabeth this'd this
depends what stuff we're talking about i guess. clearly the aforementioned kool keith is no stranger to misogyny, but amongst the kind of artists that might identify as 'experimental hiphop' or similar, i'd say it's far less prevalent.
if I revived that how pissed would everyone be?
...one would care.
I bump old threads all the time as long as I have something interesting to add.
lil b is great
but only because of his context. he's good because he's just doing what the fuck he wants to do.
his flow is absolutely nothing like anyone else's.JaguarPirate and hermano this'd this
- fuck_this_band, JaguarPirate, Cementimental, and no-class this'd this
Seems pretty spot-on
The guy needs to take a few months off and just edit: it's like half his lines don't even rhyme. Someone should suspend his rap account or something
I think all the normal knocks against him (no rapping ability, too much music, etc)
are exactly the things that make him appealing. Theres just no convention really at all.
I'm not really a fan of his music but I love what he does and how he goes about it.
Main Attrakionz
...and affiliates like:
Deniro Farrar & Shady Blaze
Mondre Man
or freaks like...
Lil Ugly Mane
Not sure if these are counted as weird but...
King Louie
Gonna post them anyway cos they're prob weird if you only hear Joey Badass, EL-P or something and they're the best in the game right now if you ask me.
I've heard Dalek several times
Is that cause what I posted is kind of noise'ish?
Pusha-T's new mixtape is up for download
Surprisingly short, hooky and like, good. Not 'weird' per se, but this guy is pretty much out of the mainstream now (the odd guest verse aside) and he sounds like he's having fun here.
- tommydudedervan, fuck_this_band, Aconite, theShipment, bruised_blood, and mute-branches this'd this
checked em out
so dopeSevered799 this'd this
I fucking love Shabazz.
basically what stanstubbs said
fake four are a pretty decent label as well - cheschi, factor, myka 9, sadistik and the like
can't get enough of young fathers at the moment either
and here's some really nice free stuff from emay
Tons of good suggestions so far. Dalek is dope
- theShipment this'd this
in the end I think I didn't like rap, just because whats on the radio and such... when I dug a little deeper i've found a lot that I like
I don't really like Anticon stuff very much, I find it too contrived
But Subtle's For Hero For Fool record is really good even today. I don't know if it's really rap though. Or even hip hop.
El-P is great, check out Company Flow who were his previous group. And then get the Cannibal Ox record which he produced and is probably the best thing his name is on. The Killer Mike record he produced last year is really great too, but don't stop there. Mike's been rapping for years and he's done some great tracks, have a little search on youtube and dig into his back catalogue a little. Never Scared and Ready Set Go are particular favourites for me.
I agree a bit with what's said up thread about people being too quick to dismiss mainstream stuff as boring and ordinary; but I'm not as vehemently anti backpacker rap as some in here. There's good and bad stuff on both sides, find the diamonds amongst the rough.
But for mainstream hip hop of recent years Lil Wayne's Da Drought 3 is essential and free (in spite of whatever shite he's put out of late) and you don't get more fucked up than that when you think about it. His voice is beyond weird. Second Gunplay and King Louie as well, Gucci Mane (older stuff) , Pill, Freddie Gibbs (older stuff) and Yelawolf are all great too. I'm a bit out of the loop but I've also just heard Chief Keef which was pretty mindblowing too.
I love everything Main Attraktionz are associated as well, you can get a lot of that stuff free via mixtapes etc.
cLOUDDEAD's the best
and they weren't even on anticon!
Don't like em
Style over substance
Subtle are definitely the best, For Hero:For Fool is absolutely sublime
Then Why?, if only for Elephant Eyelash and Alopecia. Think I even perfer Hymie's Basement to cLOUDDEAD tbh.
Keef is anything but mind-blowing.
EXCEPT for this song, which I would classify as weird:
Love Sosa is all I've heard and it weirded me out a fair bit
mindblowing is overselling. But it is deeply weird.
- imho this'd this
Unicorns were horsesDaddyorChips this'd this
who runs FakeFour has released three great solo albums. One of them is here: http://fakefour.bandcamp.com/album/the-one-man-band-broke-up
The last Astronautalis album was pretty good too. http://fakefour.bandcamp.com/album/this-is-our-science
Penny, who has released two really hard to find CD-Rs and a recent free download on FakeFour is also amazing. http://fakefour.bandcamp.com/album/twenties-hungry-the-unbound-anthems-of-yesteryear
And finally another vote for cLOUDDEAD. Their EP compilation is one of my favourite albums ever. Top class production.
I don't even know what this thread is
I dig some of this stuff, but I find myself listening to less and less avant-rap these days. As I think somebody said upthread, mainstream rap can sound just a wild to my ears as some of this music which is more obviously leftfield.
Having said that, backpack rap played a big part in me getting into hip hop in the first place so I'll always have a soft spot for the classics. And in the case of something like Def-Jux, those key releases are still some of my favorites of all time.
Was listening to the new Serengeti record 'Saal' earlier today which I guess would fit here. Like Why?, Geti's hardly even doing hip hop anymore but his new one is lyrically brilliant as ever.coolerthantv this'd this
Dunno how 'weird' these are (but it feels like they're in keeping with (some) of the thread so far):
Juice Aleem
Antipop Consortium?
and their very own Beans
The Isolationist
Your ears? are my punching bag...
Loads of Anticon stuff in this thread
but no mention of the Deep Puddle Dynamics record (The Taste of Rain...Why Kneel), its goddamn awesome it features Sole, Slug, Doseone AND Alias, they all drop verses on pretty much every track and there's some sweet production from Jel and Ant amongst others. Find it, buy it.
Also a shout out for Sole himself, the most gifted underrated MC on the planet. Anything under his own name, with the Skyrider Band or under his Mans Best Friend alias is good but Selling Live Water would be my recommended starting point
for the love of God, aceyalone. also, freestyle fellowship
I just get annoyed when people dismiss mainstream hip-hop when the reality is it's produced far more fucked up, weird and experimental music than Anticon or some other lame 'alternative' label.
^^^^^^^examples, please. examples. and explanations. statement, example, explanation.
cmooooon it's not like TheShipment and georgiabeth aren't two of the most astute posters here
with encyclopaedic tastes n all that shit
if they can't refute this, there's no hope, el-p has won, dalek have prevailed, five deez ridden roughshod over the chartpophop clones, death grips punched the bell, clouddead fucked the pussy raw, gold chains, rollin' lexus, ruining cunts
c'mon, I'll give you Lil B for starters, although I'm not sure he was ever that mainstream. amazing artist tho. you can have some of the latest Diddy-Dirty Money album, and you can have Outkast. and if she counts as hip-hop, Erykah Badu soars above all of these. see, I've started you off! but you gotta do the rest
Hey, I didn't ^this that particular post!
One issue I see is that most rock/indie fans that approach rap think that experimental/weird means rap with guitars or psychedelic leanings.
There's so many issues here to parse!
What does the OP even mean?! WEIRD? Look at the names in that original post and then the link he gave! Nothing weird there imo outside of maybe Death Grips. We all have different stakes in the ground as what we constitute as weird.
that is fair
but I really, really don't mean rap with guitars (which Outkast do heaps anyway) unless you're talking Dalek. I mean rap that uses fresh or striking sonic approaches, which I know could mean yer Public Enemy/De La Soul classics, or El-P's hyper-nuanced electro-rap, or Dalek's noisestorm. But I know - you might mean it in terms of lyrics, in terms of what constitutes pop, in terms of a transgressive public persona. So I guess I just got sodomised by subjectivity again. Still, would be nice to hear some examples :P
Theres so many rappers/producers that paved the way
You mentioned a couple (De La) but if I mention those its like uh yah no since those sounds are so engrained in hip hop now.
Timbaland blazed completely new 'weird' trails with his production, but that sound is so universal now as well.
for me
the mad hyperactive hedonistic heavy drum machine, synth and sample based production of a lot of rap is some of the most stricking music around. Its way odder than a lot of indie rap sort of stuff. Its all got its place but yeah there is something really out there about a lot of it. Have a listen to the Gunplay and King Louie examples I posted above. The way Louie flows over those beats has a mad zoned out twisted feel thats still raw and catchy. Gunplay is pure energy and hype, loads of fun like a cartoon and unltra dark and violent all at once. And that kinda production crosses into the charts too. I mean Niggers in Paris by Kanye and Jay Z aint normal, have you heard that beat its madness. Beyonce's Videophone is pure trap in production those strobing hi-hats and bass kicks shouldn't be in the charts, they're fucked, like some kinda alien just landed._TheBeautifulOnes_ and lemonbrickcombo this'd this
Good post.
So much mainstream stuff is crazy as fuck now. I mean I commented on it in the Rolling thread before I even saw this thing, but look at Future and loads of Mike Will's production, that stuff is NOT normal. The beats are crazy, they encompass Euro-pop, Trap music (in the modern sense), old-school Southern Rap electro, all coated with this new rap-singing-autotune hybrid. This stuff is mainstream, but it's hardly simple, there's so much too it. And Gunplay's flow is just... I don't even know, but I like it.
People will dismiss Niggers in Paris because its huge and lyrically and vocally it's trading in very routine stuff. But listen to that beat! That shit cray for sure.theShipment and _TheBeautifulOnes_ this'd this
there are way more examples of hip-hop pushing the boat out production wise in the mainstream and pop than prob any other genre. Its mad the stuff that gets thru the pop machine that has come from the genre. like you say bellow, Lil Wayne was the oddest most fucked up thing for some time in pop when he was at his peak. Gucci Mane prob pretty much had that at some point too. So did T-Pain. and Future prob does now.
I'm not even a Jay Z and Kanye fan and I like that track, the beat is too, good makes you want to wheel it and start again right away.
And what even is mainstream anymore?
Chart success? Blog success? Youtube views? Major label signed?
I think people confuse a style/sound within hip-hop as mainstream when a lot of *that sound* is just as underground, if not more so, than a lot of stuff itt.
I think everyone's being a little unfair on the OP's choice of words here
I think it's completely valid to realise that there's a world away from Lil Wayne guest verses and Eminem, and if you don't know hip-hop at all then you may well think that Clipse or Wu-Tang or Outkast are 'really weird' - especially in the UK, when we have a load of sanitised US pop-rap stuff shoved down our throats along with a shitload of sub-grime sub-Eminem angry white boy shit being peddled constantly. I don't necessarily think everyone is after the most obscure, indie shit - fair enough there's a load of people who can't want to start spouting about anticon. to earn themselves some hard-earned indie cred but that stuff is just as legit as Kendrick in my opinion, whether it's 'hip-hop' or not it's still fucking amazing, interesting music.
Maybe unfair, maybe just trying to pick out what he means?
Legitimacy is another issue. Whether these examples are 'trve hip-hop' or not isn't the discussion here. I don't think this thread has gone that route. Pretty much everything (outside of Erykah Badu) itt falls under the hip hop umbrella in some way.
Kendrick might be a good example of mainstream weird, his voice is very unique and his delivery can be strange.
Swimming Pools
Cartoon & Cereal
I remember saying how weird I thought Cartoon and Cereal was when I heard it. His martian voice n that.
Well I think this thread has turned into a really interesting discussion.
Let me clarify that my position isn't at all about authenticity or some sort of holier than though crap, it's about challenging the false mainstream/underground dichotomy. There's a definite prejudice against mainstream rap (or pop or any other music for that matter) amongst some music fans who write it off as boring/stale/unoriginal/market orientated filler or whatever while lauding underground stuff for being weird/creative/exciting etc. and it's just objectively bullshit. I think class and race definitely come into this too, but that's a whole other debate that's best left aside.
Let me give you an example. In like 2007 or something someone posted a similar thread to this one on here. Most people were recommending the exact same artists a lot of people are mentioning now. I said you should check out Lil Wayne and a load of people responded that his music wasn't 'weird' at all just bullshit chart music and that I didn't understand underground rap properly and I should listen to Sage Francis or some shit. To me that's just nonsensical prejudice. At the time Lil Wayne was really pushing things forward. Freestyling over crazy beats from all over the place, messing with nuts metaphors and stretching his voice and his cadence in all sorts of new directions. Sage Francis, whatever you think of him, was really working within quite safe and well-established backpacker parameters.
Part of it is of course Rockism, i.e. applying the prejudices, standards and logic of guitar based music to a totally different genre that operates in a different way. So you get the search auteurs, the focus on the 'album' as the ultimate art form, dismissing of 'disposable' music etc.
At the end of the day a lot of it is about taste. I fucking hate Aesop Rock but people who like him are perfectly entitled to, I'm not looking for some grand theoretical narrative to objectively prove that he's wack (which of course he is). It's when those Aesop Rock fans elevate their personal taste to an ideological position with which to dismiss pop music that I get pissed and call out the bullshit. I'm not accusing the OP of any of this btw just explaining my position.
P.S. will post examples of 'weird' mainstream stuff when I get hom from work.Cementimental, jimitheexploder, lemonbrickcombo, and theShipment this'd this
Agree with all of this minus the dislike for Aes.
---It's when those Aesop Rock fans elevate their personal taste to an ideological position with which to dismiss pop music that I get pissed and call out the bullshit.---
I will say that DiS has gotten better about taking this stance. Maybe its because us regular handful of rap discussers on here have been squashing it down for so long or maybe finally the tides are changing? Although maybe no one says anything but the implication is there still?
Just take a look through the most recent Aesop Rock thread and there is none of that, just discussion about quality of the music, no BS.
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4357989Kyle_ this'd this
You may be interested in this subthread:
Also, Rhymesayers have got a free sampler on Amazon at the moment http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rhymesayers-Entertainment-Label-Sampler-Explicit/dp/B00B0R7PX2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361401670&sr=8-1
I dunno if it's really weird cos I haven't bothered downloading it (yet?), but them and Anticon tend to attract similar crowds.
For the better!
With all the recommendations out of the way we can get to the fun stuff.Severed799 and Thought_Dreams this'd this
Guess this post is kinda relevant in here too:
But yeah, I've never got into this Anticon, underground Hip-Hop stuff. As far as I've gone is El-P and Cannibal Ox. etc. That's not to mean I don't rate it. There are certain 'underground' experimental artists I can really get with. Shabazz Palace's was one of my favourite albums a couple o'years back.
I just don't really feel I 'need' to listen to it- in a way I don't think of it as 'Hip-Hop' at all. I mean, that Death Grips album last year was good, but that, to my ears, wasn't Hip-Hop, not even remotely. It always annoyed me when people declared it their 'Hip-Hop release of the year' and overlooked stuff like Future, Ab-Soul, Schoolboy, Ka and Roc Marciano (all of which differs immensely in itself, but which is actually Hip-Hop, unlike Death Grips.)
I guess, like people have mentioned above, it's dependent on the way you got into the genre. I appreciate that on this forum a lot of people would have got into it through indie labels like Anticon. I was always into rap/hip-hop/r&b as a kid- I got into the 'indie' side of things after. First hip-hop albums I loved were The Game's 'Documentary', Kanye West 'College Dropout', Dre's '2001', Twista, Fabolous, Cam'Ron then obvious stuff like Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt. I mean, one of the first artist's I loved was fucking Ja Rule :D
This isn't meant to be a holier than thou post so sorry if it comes across that way, I guess i'm just trying to analyse why I find it hard to get into the indie rap stuff. For me a lot of the beats Anticon artist's use seem fractured, it doesn't fit the flow of the lyrics. They're damn clever in their own right, but I find it hard to listen to someone rap over something so, I dunno, intricate. It's something that has even hindered my enjoyment of artist's like MF Doom. Whilst I can appreciate the artistry of his flow and lyrics (they're unrivalled in modern rap, probably) I can't enjoy 'the songs' themselves. There's a smoothness to beats like Timbaland's and Dre's which just sounds more appealing to my ears.
I think i'm your opposite.
I guess i first got into the hip-hop stuff i like whilst/via liking 90s trip-hop, electronica and broken beat stuff. Never really got into the late 80s/early 90s gangsta stuff. The first phase was a little before my time and kinda passed me by, really, and the later stuff like Biggie and 2Pac just felt at the time like shouty knobbers with nothingness beats underneath. And all that transitioned into R&B-centric stuff that I couldn't really get into either. Missy seemed to me like the first mainstream stuff that managed to break out of the dullness by introducing more interesting dance-tinged tracks and stuff with quirks. Loads of good oddball mainstream stuff has followed on.
Wu-Tang fitted in to my mind's eye as a bridge between the crossover-ness-with-aggression of PE and (with Rza's beats) the more off-kilter end of the spectrum, like Antipop Consortium or RJD2. Otherwise, the ultra-obvious white boy funk/soul/disco legacy backpack/throwback stuff like Tribe, De La, J5 Solesides, Ugly Duckling, DJ Format, etc was the stuff that was holding my attention at that time (but for every traditionalist act from that type of scene there were also people amongst them like Prince Paul and Shadow who were doing more interesting stuff, e.g. Handsome Boy Modelling School). Throw in some stuff like Kid Koala, and you have a million reasons why...
...dun dun derrrr, sharpen your knives... I've come this far in my life without having listened to a Jay-Z, Kanye or Fiddy album. And that bombshell concludes one of the most mockable posts you're likely to find on DiS for a while.
Are you interested in hearing an album by any of those guys
or is it like 'Ive come this far, why start now' like I was with the Beatles til last year?
a little of column a, a little of column b
haven't actively been avoiding, just that there's always been other stuff higher up the queue, y'know?
but if anyone has my ear when making a hip-hop recommendation, then shipment_da_shipment is he.
so, of you pick me out an entry point for Jay-Z, Kanye, 2Pac, Biggie and/or Fiddy, I'll try to get around to finally giving then a shot.
Ok then
in this order please:
Biggie 'Life After Death'
2Pac 'Me Against the World'
Jay Z 'Reasonable Doubt' (also 'The Blueprint')
Kanye 'College Dropout'
50 Cent... just listen to this song http://youtu.be/kvNuw_cZ_a8 when that beat does that thing it does at about 2:15 godddddaaaaaam one of the best things ever EVER. Listen to either of his first two albums as both are small-scale personal classics. I would probably rec other albums over 50 for you though if you make it through those other artists first.
liveblog it too obv.
would be approx 1 trillion X more interesting than the R****h**d one.TheWza and coolerthantv this'd this
I made up a spotify playlist.
50 was at the top for whatever reason. Did absolutely nothing for me. Never went back to check the rest out. I'll revisit it at some point, though.
Is Edan still going?
Primitive Plus is a good album, I suppose you'd call that 'weird' (more weird than the artists in the OP anyway)
Panzah Zandahz: Me and This Army - Radiohead remixes
This is my favourite mixtape. It's a bunch of great hip-hop vocals over tracks made from Radiohead samples.
Edan and Mr. Lif, Rapperfection over The National Anthem
MF Doom as Viktor Vaughn, Change the Beat over I Am A Wicked Child
Ghostface Killah, Daytona 500 over My Iron Lung
I've been enjoying Cakes Da Killa on my way to work this week.
Only really weird (not really weird, but unusual in a hiphop artist) in the sense that he's rapping about shagging boys but I like it.
The music, not the boy shagging.