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I know I have seen teams buying (or holding) even plane tickets for another team....
Quote from: georgiapeach on February 25, 2010, 11:00:48 PMI know I have seen teams buying (or holding) even plane tickets for another team.... It has happened but it became banned at one time (it happened in a specially alliance-heavy early season), I'm pretty certain
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Amazing Races Joe and Heidi on Facing U-TurnMarch 16, 2010Joe and Heidi Wang, a married couple from El Segundo, Calif., were left for dead on a World War I battle site in France after the cops u-turned them and they failed to decode the secret message. The 42-year-old software salesman and his homemaker wife, 37, spoke with PEOPLE about confusing codes, bum knees and using The Amazing Race as a prolonged date night. Carrie BellWas it hard to relive the Morse code moment on TV?Heidi: Every week weve had big viewing parties with all our friends, but we made it a small private affair last night because we knew it was going to be hard for the kids when we got eliminated. The kids [son Jameson, 8, and daughter Harrison, 6] look at us as their heroes and thought we were going to be final three. To see the sadness and disappointment in their faces made it that much more emotional.Joe: They were shocked because for the few legs prior we were in the top three or four. Even when we finished the grueling crawl they were like, Youre on your way. Then they saw the U-Turn and they were like, What is that? How come they picked you? How come you had to do two tasks when everyone else had to do one? They didnt understand. Does it sting less or more after hearing the cops u-turned you because they saw you as competition that needed to be humbled?Heidi: The sting is there regardless. I personally never thought of the detectives as being a threat. I thought they were nice guys. To see them say those things took me aback.Joe: One bad flight allowed the cops to get ahead of us and that stings the most. We always talked highly of every team and viewed them all as competitive. It was strange to hear a lot of the negative things they said about me. They labeled me the villain. Im fine, but I certainly havent seen who the hero is either.Was it fair to call you cocky?Joe: It was just competitive race talk. Maybe they looked at confidence as cockiness.Heidi: And the stuff that he said was never directed at any one team. Anybody who takes it personally is stretching it.Unfortunately, you just couldnt crack that code. Heidi: The Morse code task was not something you could prepare for mentally or physically. Wed never done it before and we were already exhausted. It played over and over. You didnt know when it started or stopped. It was fast and hard to decipher between dots and dashes. Some of the message was in another language. Were smart people and we couldnt figure it out. I guarantee that nine out of 10 people could not do it under those conditions.To your credit, you handled the situation well.Heidi: We promised each other that regardless of how hard things got, we wouldnt take it out on our relationship. As long as we left the show with dignity and grace on a task we couldnt complete, wed be proud of ourselves.How badly was your knee hurting? Would it have ended your race eventually?Joe: My knee was going to get worse but I was going to persevere. Thats the kind of person I am and the other teams knew I would push through, so any opportunity they had to deter me, I think someone would have taken it
After that leg, they took me to the hospital and had x-rays done. I had arthroscopic surgery when I got back and Im about 90 percent recovered.You two wanted to bond on the Race. Did your dreams come true?Joe: Absolutely. Especially after we got eliminated and went to Sequesterville as we called it. We had a tremendous time together. We just dont have time for that in daily life when raising the kids and pursuing career opportunities.Heidi: The long bus and plane rides allowed for a lot of quality time where we could just be together without being in race mode. We look back on it as a great time.Favorite moment? Least favorite?Heidi: Obviously the least favorite is the whole U-Turn event.Joe: My favorite moment was in Hamburg. We were supposed to be on a flight that came in an hour ahead and it ended up coming in two hours behind. We pulled together and pushed ahead of the cowboys. And it was a great city. Beautiful scenery, beautiful people.
Exclusive: Joe Wang and Heidi Wang talk about 'The Amazing Race'By Reality TV World staff, 03/16/2010After finishing in fourth place or better during The Amazing Race's three previous legs, things appeared to be going very well for "Married Couple" racers Joe Wang and Heidi Wang. However things quickly derailed when "Detectives" Louis Stravato and Michael Naylor opted to use the fifth leg's U-Turn twist to force Joe and Heidi to do an additional Detour task they were unable to complete, resulting in the couple becoming the fourth team eliminated from The Amazing Race's sixteenth season during Sunday night's broadcast of the CBS reality competition. On Monday, Joe and Heidi (but mostly Joe) talked to Reality TV World about their The Amazing Race experience -- including whether Joe was aware how Louis and Michael seemed to interpret some of his comments, what happened when they were "saving spots" in line during the Race's second leg, how bad Joe's knee really was, and whether they had really never imagined someone would U-Turn them. Reality TV World: Joe, were you aware how your comments were coming across as trash-talking to some of the other teams or had you just not realized it? Joe Wang: So that question, I was trash-talking? Reality TV World: Yeah, the comments you were making. Were you not aware that was how some of the other teams were taking them? Joe Wang: No, no, I never took it as -- I can only see what I saw on the video, and I don't think it had anything to do with trash-talking. It had a lot to do with me being very overly confident and me being a competitor, and being a threat. I didn't hear anything about trash-talking, You'll have to elaborate a little bit more on that. Reality TV World: When you were talking about how you weren't worried about any of the other teams. It seemed like that's how it came across to at least Louie and Michael. Joe Wang: I didn't see a video about that, me saying that. I remember them asking me and I said all the teams are competitive and that my knee is giving me a lot of problems but we're still going to push this through, when we were on the bus. Reality TV World: I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying you were trash-talking, I'm saying that seemed to be how Louis and Michael took it. Joe Wang: Right. On watching some of these "Secret Scene" videos [on cbs.com], all of the teams were, you know, kind of strategizing against us. For whatever reason they chose. We always ran the Race as Joe and Heidi running and we treated all the teams with great respect. And if you looked at any of our videos, we never talked about any other teams in a negative manner. Reality TV World: So what happened during that ticket line incident, where you were holding spots in line? Joe Wang: Oh yeah, no, no. That was not "holding a spot," if you want to call it that. We were at the bus station and Brandy and Carol went with us. And then they ended up going to another station to make sure we had the best bus route. So for us we had to stick together as a team, and so I was in the front of the line and then Brandy and Carol ended up coming back and said "This is the best bus route." So because they were researching information for us, and we'd agreed prior to getting into line, that's what ended up happening. So the cops were not understanding the situation. We weren't holding any spots, they were already in line with us but they had to go and research for us too. Reality TV World: You just weren't able to explain that to them? It seemed like it was more than just "the cops" that had an issue, I remember it looking like some other teams also made some comments. Joe Wang: Yeah, I mean I think those things appear because that's also probably, possibly some editing. But everybody's in line, the same line, and we were just ahead of the line. Of course people in the back of the line are always going to be upset with people in the front of the front of the line. Because we were all on the same bus, they had the same opportunity to be in the front of the line just like I did. They followed me into the line, because I was in the front of the line. We were all on the bus all together at the same time, there was no advantage in there. Reality TV World: After the U-Turn, you said that had "never imagined" that anybody would use it on you. So you're saying despite these squabbles and things, it had really never entered your mind that someone might be upset with you guys? Joe Wang: Well you know what's interesting is you mention these "squabbles." Reality TV World: Well, are you saying you didn't hear Louis and Michael shouting from their seats on the bus when you were making your comments or anything like that? Joe Wang: Yeah, [but] it was all in good fun. Entertainment. So being U-Turned, I don't think I ever said I was surprised. I was surprised that they used it that early, because typically if you're in the front of the Race you're going to continue to go and why burn bridges? Reality TV World: The direct quote I have -- and I'm not certain if it was actually yourself or Heidi that said it -- but one of you said you "never even imagined" somebody would use it on you. Joe Wang: Oh no, then that was just out of context. I mean of course, anyone can get U-Turned. That's what the game is about. Reality TV World: I believe it was Heidi that was also shown saying that you guys thought you had a "good rapport" with [Louis and Michael]. Was that your actual belief then, or was that out of context as well? Heidi Wang: You know what's interesting is there's a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff that obviously doesn't make the show, so when we were in the long mandatory rest period after the Argentinean leg at that sheep ranch, we all spent a good 30 hours together And that was the only time we were not in a sequester mode where we could actually have meals together and have some conversations with the other teams. And yeah, we were all in very good spirits and we were trying to make the best of the situation, camping in Argentina and not having showers and things like that. It was a good time. So, yeah, like I said it did come out of left field. Reality TV World: When you first found out you had been U-Turn'd, did you think the "In the Trenches" Detour task was just going to be a minor inconvenience of sorts or were you immediately concerned that it had the potential to cost you the entire Race? Joe Wang: Well, when we first had the choice initially, if you remember what they showed -- we looked at the Morse Code and my knee was bad and I still said "Hey, I want to go crawl" because I told my wife, "We never had training in Morse Code." We knew it was going to be difficult because some of those "mind" tasks typically are. And if you looked at all the teams, no matter who they were they picked the crawl. Because sometimes you think the more physical challenge is going to be something you can do. Reality TV World: So you were immediately concerned that it had the potential to cost you the entire Race? Joe Wang: Absolutely. Immediately concerned with the Morse Code. Reality TV World: Do you guys think Louis and Michael thought it was actually going to eliminate you or do you think they just thought it was going to slow you down? Joe Wang: You know at that point I think it was whatever the U-Turn could have done. I mean I think the U-Turn typically slows teams down dramatically -- puts them in the "back of the bus," if you want to call it that. And I think there's also opportunities where, you know, it got us eliminated at this point. I mean we felt like it was our destiny. If we were able to finish the Morse Code, then that was on us. And if we didn't finish it, it was on us too. Reality TV World: Did you take any solace out of hearing them say you guys were "good competition and this is a competition" on last night's episode? Joe Wang: Well in their interview, they talked about how we were strong competitors and we were a threat. I think a lot of teams said that, even some of the other interviews I saw with Steve and Allie that was published [on cbs.com]. You know, they used it and we had to deal with the consequences. Reality TV World: Exactly what was your knee issue? We'd seen you talking about it before the bungee jump, but it hadn't stopped you from initially picking the soccer task in Hamburg after that and then last night's episode suddenly showed you keeping it elevated and iced-up during the bus trip. Was it a [minor issue] that just progressively got worse as the Race went or was the bungee jump the main cause of the problem? Heidi Wang: Actually, Joe's knee basically bothered him from Day 1 and it just amplified as the Race progressed. It was actually the size of a grapefruit, he had to see the medics every day. And that was actually the first thing we did after we were eliminated, is we went to the emergency room in France and he had to get X-rays and have it looked it. He can talk more, but basically every leg of the Race we were challenged by the knee. Reality TV World: Right from the start? Joe Wang: Yeah, one of the parts of the Race that I think most people don't know is all of the running and the pounding your body gets. I thought I was prepared for it, I did a lot of training, but the running kind of beat me up a little bit more than I thought it would. Reality TV World: So was that a pre-existing injury that you re-aggravated? Joe Wang: No, I played a lot of sports so I trained prior to it not knowing it was going to give me this many problems. Reality TV World: When you finished the "Under Fire" Detour task, it looked like you were actually using the rifle as a cane. Joe Wang: You are absolutely correct (laughs) If you saw me, I was hustling through the crawl and I felt very good because it was some physical task that I was able to make some ground on. And of course, running off-balance and on non-level land, I was using it as a cane, of course. Reality TV World: So if you hadn't been eliminated, how big an issue do you think your knee would have been going forward? Joe Wang: Absolutely, the knee wasn't going to get better and actually probably would have gotten worse. But with my competitiveness and nature, I would have pushed it through and most teams looked at that, I think, as something that would have happened anyways. They said, "I know the knee is bothering Joe, but I think his determination is going to push through that." Heidi Wang: Yeah, we even said we think it would have been a hindrance but I still think we would have placed in the Top 3. If it was [just] a footrace, I give it to any other team, they probably would have beat us. But if you take into consideration everything else, like our history together, our good communication -- we never had a fight on the Race -- then I think those are issues that would have propelled us to have been frontrunners. Reality TV World: At the end of the Detour, they cut to a brief shot where they showed you in the trench consoling each other and kind of lamenting why you were U-Turn'd and then the next thing we saw was [The Amazing Race host Phil Keoghan] coming out after sunset to see you guys. What happened in between there, were you still trying to get the code all that time? Joe Wang: We were trying our very best. I mean we were there for close to six hours and then it got dark and the weather changed dramatically, it started to rain. So I was giving Heidi a lot of shelter, her whole body was shivering. And if you remember, when we left we didn't have anything to eat or drink since 8:30AM. That was close to almost 12 hours. Reality TV World: After Phil told you guys the correct code message, Heidi, I believe it was you that said you would never have gotten "Vive France." How close did you actually come, was "Vive La Liberate" the closest? Heidi Wang: No, it didn't show it but we obviously knew what the message was on the first Detour task, so we used that as our first message, and it was wrong. We knew it would be some variation, something to do with the war. So although we couldn't decipher the Morse Code -- because if you were in that position with the bombs exploding, the airplanes flying overhead. It was freezing and it was so fast, the tape of the Morse Code was so quick, and you could not decipher between a dot, a dash and a space. You could only imagine. But anyways, when we knew we couldn't actually decipher it, we just went and we kind of put our heads together and we went back with like 20 different messages, like what could it possibly be. And obviously we were so close but we just obviously did not get it. Joe Wang: At one point [the Morse Code message] almost sounded like rambling to us, it was just noise. Reality TV World: How realistic was that battlefield reenactment? It seemed pretty realistic on TV. Joe Wang: Yeah, absolutely. They were the real trenches, I mean you could see how they were reinforced with barricades and stuff. I know they weren't real bombs, but they were throwing something that created a lot of sulfur and had dirt flying in the air. I was constantly in tears because of the smoke and the dust and the dirt. Heidi Wang: And obviously you saw it last night, it was an emotional episode to begin with, being eliminated. But when you throw in the emotions of World War I and the soldiers -- I mean the whole show just embraced so much emotional aspects to it. Reality TV World: How were you cast on The Amazing Race? Was it your first time applying? Heidi Wang: (to Joe) Um, how do you want to put this? Joe Wang: You mean how were we cast? Reality TV World: How did you end up on the Race -- was it something one of you wanted to do and asked the other? Had it been your first time trying to get on the show? What's the backstory? Joe Wang: One time. We applied just like some of the other teams. Reality TV World: Was there one of you that wanted to be on it more than the other that had suggested it first? Joe Wang: Originally we were brought -- we had an opportunity to get on the Race. So we both said that's something interesting and we both agreed to go on it together. And it was a challenge for us because I like the competitive fun in team sports and we liked the show itself. So we pursued it together.
In the Amazing Trenches with Joe and Heidi of The Amazing Raceby Reg Seeton This week on The Amazing Race the new crop of teams jetted off to France to wage Amazing Race war on the old battlefields of France in the best Amazing Race tasks in the show's sixteen season history. As the Amazing Race teams hit the road this past week, Joe and Heidi Wang were on the minds of some of the teams, namely police detectives Louie and Michael, after Joe vocalized his confidence after hurting his knee. When the teams encountered this week's Detour, they all found themselves in the muddy World War I trenches of a former battlefield in France while bi-planes buzzed overhead, dropping fake bombs near The Amazing Race competitors as they crawled their way through barbed wire.After making it through the heat of Amazing Race battle, Joe and Heidi were forced to do a second tour of Amazing Race duty when Louie and Michael gave them a U-Turn, which forced Joe and Heidi into the trenches to decipher a message in Morse Code. Although Joe and Heidi did their best with the Morse Code, the married couple were eliminated from the race when host Phil Keoghan met them in the trench to hand them their Amazing Race walking papers.The next day we caught up with Joe and Heidi to learn more about their time on The Amazing Race, how they endured the battlefield, and what Joe and Heidi thought of being handed a U-Turn.THE DEADBOLT: So, would you guys rather do the interview in Morse Code?JOE WANG: [laughs] No, we care not to, as you can imagine. And we haven't done any studying after that either.THE DEADBOLT: Although you guys were eliminated, how amazing was the task with the planes overhead and the action going on beside you?HEIDI WANG: You know, it was absolutely amazing. I mean, that has got to be the Emmy winning show of the season. The sound effects and what was going on, the war reenactment, you really did feel like you were in that time and place.THE DEADBOLT: Joe, how much do you think your knee played a factor in that leg?JOE: You know, actually, on that leg my knee was not the problem. We did crawl through there. Even before we knew about the difficulties with Morse Code, as you guys can remember, I said, "No way. With a bad knee, I'm going to go do this crawl because the Morse code is more difficult." When we went through, I was so relieved. I'm like, "All right, great! We finished that task, let's get on to the next one." Just seeing our photo on that U-Turn was just devastating.THE DEADBOLT: Well, how do you think Louie and Michael should've played the U-Turn?JOE: That I don't know, other than the U-Turn is definitely one of the game aspects and they decided to use it very early on.THE DEADBOLT: Who would you guys have U-Turned?JOE: You know, Phil actually asked us the same question and basically Heidi and I had a strategy: If we're ever in second-to-last place is when we would use the U-Turn. Then, at that point, our goal was just running to the U-Turn spot and then we weren't going to U-Turn anybody. We were already in the front, so we weren't going to use that.THE DEADBOLT: Looking back, is there anything you should or could've done differently with the Morse Code?JOE: I think we did the best we can. I mean, just going through the process of listening to the Morse Code and hoping you heard it, it was almost an impossible task. I'm assuming that someone who has been trained and taught [Morse Code], it would come easy. But for us, definitely, it was something that was impossible.HEIDI: Yeah. I mean, the Morse Code, the reel that you were listening to was so quick that you could not decipher between a dot and a dash and a space. I mean, we listened to it hundreds and hundreds of times over. With the planes flying overhead and the bombs exploding, it was just a really hard task.THE DEADBOLT: In what ways do you think the race tested you as a couple for the better or worse?HEIDI: You know what? First of all, when people are watching the show at home - I mean the race is challenging but until you're actually on the race as a contestant, it is a lot more difficult and challenging than it appears on TV. I don't think people realize how long the travel legs are. Joe and I, we're seasoned travelers and we fly extensively and my ankles were constantly swollen by how much travel we did in such a short amount of time. So that was definitely a challenging aspect of it.Also, we were sleep deprived. That leg where we were in France, we had no sleep in twenty-four hours. Actually, that baguette in France was the first thing that we had to eat and I actually didn't drink anything for twelve hours. So you're sleep deprived, you're hungry, you're water deprived, and you're just exhausted.THE DEADBOLT: Was there anything from your time on the race you wish was aired, something that we didn't see?JOE: The Hamburg leg was a crucial leg where the cops [Louie and Michael] were actually at the end of the pack and their flight, low and behold, got them there earlier even though we were supposed to arrive an hour ahead. That was a turning point. Those are the chances that happen on the race.THE DEADBOLT: Heidi, did you eventually get your silver after you were looking for it in Mexico when you went to the Elimination Station?HEIDI: [laughs] You know, I did. We actually got it through another vendor. We got it for a great price. It was actually a steal. So I'm very happy and I wear that ring all of the time.-- Reg Seeton
so when we were in the long mandatory rest period after the Argentinean leg at that sheep ranch, we all spent a good 30 hours together
We Must Have Listened to that Message Hundreds and Hundreds and Hundreds of Times RealityNewsOnlines Exclusive Interview with The Amazing Race 16's Joe & Heidi by Teeuwynn Woodruff -- 03/17/2010 Joe & Heidi (right) were a tough team who hovered near the top of the pack for much of the race and this leg looked to continue the trend until the married couple was U-Turned by Michael & Louie. Why was the Morse code challenge so hard? Have Joe & Heidi forgiven Michael & Louie for U-Turning them? Look inside for the answers to these and other questions! RealityNewsOnline: Hi, Joe & Heidi! Thanks for talking to RealityNewsOnline today!Heidi: Of course!RNO: What made you decide to apply for The Amazing Race?Heidi: You know, we were approached with an opportunity to be on the show. We obviously went through the same strenuous audition process that everybody else did. Then we were finally selected. We knew this was an opportunity of a lifetime, and we could not pass it up. RNO: This week the U-Turn did you in. Have you forgiven Michael & Louie for using it on you? Joe: Well, Ill put it this way. Its part of the race. Therere certain tactics you can use. They definitely leveraged that piece of it. Heidi: I think were at peace with the whole thing.RNO: Having seen the episode, do you better understand why Michael & Louie used the U-Turn on you?Joe: Yeah. The only thing we thought from the interviews that led up to it is they thought we were a threat. They had a choice between Steve & Allie and us but they also had a choice with all the other teams behind us too
And they chose us. RNO: When you made the comment on the bus that seemed to get under Michael & Louies skin, did you think anything of it at the time or was it just an off-the-cuff remark?Joe: Well, no, I think it had a lot to do with how people receive comments. When I was being interviewed, I was being interviewed where they were asking me what I thought about the other teams. I said all the teams are competitive. I have to push stronger because, with my knee
You know, overcome that. So, however they overheard that, and what they took out of it, is up to them. RNO: Did you ever think that not making friends with the other teams might result in taking you out of the race? Do you think if you had done so, they might not have chosen you?Joe: You know whats interesting? When we were in Argentina, one of the longest Pit Stops, they [Michael & Louie] were actually behind us in most of the legs. We didnt really get a chance to meet them, to be honest with you. That leg, we sat around and we talked and laughed. We talked about their kids and our kids. So, it was a very pleasant time together. Heidi: For me, the U-Turn actually came out of left field it was really unexpected. I was really surprised. Again, watching on TV, we revisited that whole experience all over again. Joe: You know, were trying not to be in denial or anything. I mean, we knew we were a competitive team. I know how I sometimes am portrayed. Just, within the race, people say Im very strong and so forth. I had some knee problems, and surely that was a hindrance to me. But, at the end of the day, we ran the race like we wanted to go win the race. RNO: What made the Morse code Detour challenge so difficult for you?Heidi: Well, we had just gotten done doing the physical challenge of crawling through the barbed wire all the explosions I mean, just so you know, it was a lot longer than it looked. You had to go all the way there, get the message, and come all the way back. I believe it was almost the length of a football field.So, then when we got to the Morse code Detour, it was so quick. If you were to listen to that reel of the beeps it was just so quick. You could not decipher whether it was a dot or a dash or a space. We must have listened to that message hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times. Again, youve got planes flying over, you have explosions, youre constantly distracted. And we hadnt eaten in so long. We hadnt eaten since dinner the night before, on the moving Pit Stop. So, all we had to eat and drink was that baguette in probably close to 24 hours. Your concentration level was at its lowest. RNO: How long were you working on the Morse code?Heidi: If you could see
We were probably there nearly six hours. RNO: Did you ever come close to getting the message correct?Heidi: We got half of it but, like I said, it was so hard to decipher the message. We knew what part of it could have been, because we got the message from the crawling Detour. When we knew we couldnt decipher it we put our heads together and came up with maybe 20 other options of what it could be based on the war situation. Unfortunately, we just never got it. RNO: How long did it take for you to complete the first part of the Detour?Heidi: Maybe half an hour?Joe: Yeah
Less than an hour. RNO: Joe, your knee was obviously giving you a lot of trouble during the race. Was it injured before the race began?Joe: Yeah, it was through all the running during the race
It was bothering me a little when I was doing the training, but it got aggravated throughout the race. The show cuts out a lot of the running through different terrain and the complexity of doing that with your backpack and stuff. I never liked to run to begin with. RNO: Is your knee alright now?Joe: You know, I recently had knee surgery. Im in recovery and it feels a lot better. Im back in coaching youth sports for my kids. RNO: Did your children watch the race with you?Joe: Theyre big fans of the show, of course. Weve had viewing parties at a friends house every week
until last night. Our kids were at home and we wanted to savor this for a moment. It was tough, because watching the reaction of our kid they didnt know what was happening. Even at the start of the show they said, I bet you Jeff & Jordan will get eliminated. Once they saw us on the U-Turn they were like, I dont understand why that happened. Every team only has to do one. You had to do two. Then we had to go through that explanation. RNO: How hard was that for you? Heidi: Our kids in their eyes, were heroes. So, the whole time, they thought we were going to be in the top three. To see the disappointment in them
Very emotional. They went to bed last night crying. We have gotten so many emails and text messages everybody was crying! So, it was just an emotional episode. People fail to realize that The Amazing Race really is a family show. People of all ages watch it, from two-year-olds on up. I just think good core values are exemplified in the show. So many young viewers definitely were disappointed Sunday night. Joe: Our kids felt like we exited very gracefully, I mean, unexpectedly. Because no one would expect that we were gone when we were in the top three. Then having to do the second challenge is where they said, I dont see that being fair. So, they supported us in what we did. RNO: What was the smartest thing you did during the race?Joe: There are probably a lot of factors, but the smartest thing we did was signing up for the race. That was a challenge on its own, to get on the race. We feel pretty fortunate to have been part of it. RNO: What most surprised you about the race?Joe: Its actually more challenging than it really looks. I guess they only have 45 minutes to show one leg. It makes it look like you just landed and everything is fine. The ride that gets you there, the situations youre put in
Its more difficult than it looks. Heidi: I just want to add that they make it look like those airplane trips are, like, a minute. I believe that I heard that one of the legs on this season was the longest leg in the shows history in terms of travel time. Theres so much travel. Joe and I are seasoned travelers and my ankles were swollen from that much air travel in such a short amount of time. So, the travel in and of itself was very, very difficult. RNO: Is there anything else you would like to tell us about your experiences on The Amazing Race?Heidi: I just want to say that its actually kind of funny now that Joe has been dubbed the villain of the season. Were running with it. Were very almost flattered by the comments. Really, Joe is not a villain. He doesnt have those villainous qualities. Its just funny how, through editing, some of the things that he has said kind of come out that way. Joe: I think the race shows that you can get out of your comfort zone and aspire to bigger things. I recently left my job to go pursue opportunities. We didnt get a chance to win this million, but the race opened our minds to the possibility of higher goals for ourselves. The race teaches you not to settle for staying in your comfort zone. RNO: Thank you for talking to us today, Joe & Heidi. Heidi: Thank you!
The Amazing Race 16: Exclusive Interview with Joe and Heidi WangPosted on 03/15/2010 by Gina in The Amazing Race and Cast Interviews by Gina Scarpa On last night's episode of The Amazing Race, the teams were given the opportunity to U-Turn somebody else. That means that the team that receives the U-Turn must complete both Detours before moving on. Louie and Michael, who were in first place, targeted Joe and Heidi, who were close behind them. Joe and Heidi were faced with a morse code challenge that proved too difficult and were eliminated from the race. Today, the couple spoke to RealityWanted about how seriously they took the race, their alliance with Steve and Allie, and their feelings about the way they went out. Q. Gina, RealityWanted: Whose idea was it to try out for The Amazing Race and how did you end up becoming a part of the show this season?A. Joe: We were approached with the opportunity to go on the race. We applied like everyone else did competing with all these teams. We're honored that the race selected us Q. Gina, RealityWanted: How did you feel leaving your family behind to go on the race?A. Joe: That was one of the biggest challenges. We have close family. My mom was helping us with the kids. Q. Gina, RealityWanted: Did you do a lot of preparation before the show?A. Joe: We did a lot of endurance things like jet skiing, parasailing, rock climbing.A. Heidi: Joe and I took this really seriously. We trained, we went running 3 times a week before the kids woke up for school. I got lasic eye surgery. I studied maps and atlases every night before I went to bed and we actually bought the entire series of The Amazing Race on Ebay and watched it every night. We used it as game time review. We learned so many things from previous contestants Q. Gina, RealityWanted: Any favorite past contestants?A. Joe: We liked season 5's Chip and Kim. They were very jolly and competitive by nature. Q. Gina, RealityWanted: You worked with a few different teams, mainly Steve and Allie. Were you planning to stick with them or were you going to cut them loose when the time was right?A. Joe: Steve and I are both competitors. He's a professional baseball coach. I played a lot of sports. We said, right now, we're working together but it's a very complex race. We knew at any given point that we would race on our own. Q. Gina, RealityWanted: Were you surprised that Louie and Michael U-Turned you as opposed to Steve or Allie?A. Joe: I think being U-Turned is definitely a surprise. We were running ahead and typically, when I've seen U-Turns, it's the second to last team. They don't want that team behind them to catch up to them. If you're in the front of the pack, you usually just keep going because you don't wanna create negative vibes.A. Heidi: They had the opportunity to u-turn anybody. They didn't have to choose between us or Steve and Allie. Q. Gina, RealityWanted: Joe, do you think that the comment you made on the bus is the reason they U-Turned you or do you think they had already planned to do it if the opportunity arose?A. Joe: They said that we were a threat and even with my knee, I was going to push through it. There were a lot of things said on camera and off camera but it's how people portray it.A. Heidi: In every interview that we did, we never said anything bad about any of the other teams. It's really unfortunate that the U-Turn came and we weren't able to complete the task. Q. Gina, RealityWanted: How difficult was it to watch last night's episode?A. Heidi: It was really hard with our family. This was the first time that we just had a private viewing with out immediate family. Our kids think of us as our heroes. They thought for sure we would make it to the final three. There were teardrops everywhere. Q. Gina, RealityWanted: What are you up to now? What has life been like since you've been home?A. Heidi: It is just crazy! Joe recently resigned from his steady job and we're just evaluating and reviewing so many different opportunities that have come our way.
Q. Gina, RealityWanted: Did you do a lot of preparation before the show?A. Joe: We did a lot of endurance things like jet skiing, parasailing, rock climbing.A. Heidi: Joe and I took this really seriously. We trained, we went running 3 times a week before the kids woke up for school. I got lasic eye surgery. I studied maps and atlases every night before I went to bed and we actually bought the entire series of The Amazing Race on Ebay and watched it every night. We used it as game time review. We learned so many things from previous contestants
Joe & Heidi ('The Amazing Race')Monday, March 15 2010, 2:42pm EDTBy Lara Martin, News Editor Married couple Joe and Heidi Wang had a solid start on last night's episode of The Amazing Race, completing the detour challenge in third place. However, their hopes of making it another week were left in the balance when detectives Louie and Michael targeted them with a Blind U-Turn, meaning the duo had to go back and complete a second detour task. After several unsuccessful attempts to crack the Morse Code challenge, they became the fourth team to exit the race. We gave them a call to chat about the experience.How does it feel to be eliminated at this stage?Heidi: "Very sad, very, very sad. We had viewing parties in the past every weekend, but last night we made it a private affair to be with our family. The kids were crying and very emotional."Joe: "And of course they had no clue. They were looking at the race and thinking we were in the lead, having finished the crawl ahead of everybody else. My son said, 'How come you have to do another one? I don't get it'. We had to explain to him what a U-Turn means and what it means in the game."Did you know immediately who had set the U-Turn?Joe: "Absolutely because we were already in the top three and had just finished about 10 or 15 minutes behind the detectives, and Steve and Allie where right in front of us. For it being blind, it wasn't really blind! I think they wanted us to know!"What was your initial reaction?Joe: "The initial reaction was, 'Oh my God'. We had just accomplished this physical endurance task..."Heidi: "That crawl was not easy! The gun was very heavy, and you had all this gear on as you crawled under the barbed wire, and to and from the station was a long way."Joe: "We're determined individuals so we looked at it and said, 'Let's just go after this and get this done'. We knew it would be a difficult task, and when we first saw the clue I had mentioned to Heidi that we didn't have any training in Morse Code."Why do you think Louie and Michael chose you?Joe: "Based on some of the interviews we've seen, they thought we were a threat."Heidi: "I think honestly, deep down they thought we were a strong, competitive team, which in itself is a compliment and we're privileged to have that as our legacy. I think it's because Joe and I have strong communication, a good history, and we didn't really fight or have those emotional, dramatic episodes that maybe some other teams had."How long were you out there?Joe: "We were there for close to six hours trying to figure it out. You could see that because it got darker, the temperature dropped dramatically and it started raining. We hadn't had anything to eat since we left the pitstart except for that baguette."Heidi: "It was winter time in Europe so it was freezing, and then it started to rain and we were just wearing those war outfits they gave us. It was really cold."Joe: "We were trying to crack the code by thinking creatively. I was holding Heidi because her whole body was shivering and we were coming up with random statements that we thought might fit, but none of them did."Was it a mutual decision to call it quits?Joe: "We were constantly thinking and writing down what the statement could be. One of the things about the race is you never know when a non-elimination piece is going to come. We didn't throw up any white flags or anything."Obviously we thought you might have a chance with Brent and Caite having to go back and Jordan and Jeff struggling - were you aware of what was happening with the other teams?Joe: "We were aware of Jordan and Jeff because they had to come through to do their speedbump, but we didn't know about Brent and Caite. It was a light for us when we saw Jordan and Jeff, and we continued to push along. I remember when we saw them we gave about ten more statements, but then we saw them crawling out and thought we might be in big trouble."Do you think you would have eventually got the message if you kept trying?Joe: "When Phil came over and told us we were looking for, 'We will prevail. Viva la France', we both looked at each other and said there's no way! The code itself rambled on and we didn't know where the breakage was."Heidi: "It was a running message with no stop or start - it just kept going over and over. We must have listened to it hundreds of times with the airplanes flying overhead and the bombs exploding and the shooting. You would lose your train of thought and couldn't hear it. It was a challenge that there was no preparation for."Is there anything you would change about the whole experience?Joe: "I felt like we tried to run the race very fairly. We always talked great things about all the other teams."Heidi: "We always spoke very highly of the other competitors, and if we knew they were strong in certain aspects we would say that in our interviews. We never said anything bad-spirited or negative. I think we played it fair, and some of the things that Joe said that were maybe confident came out like he was offending other people. It's funny though, we came out of this and it's almost like he got the villain role! I think it's funny and very humorous and we're just running with it and enjoying it!"
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Oh no. Two years of division titles in the Central for the Cubs and that is where it stops. Cubs are hot lately but it's too little, too late if you were hoping for a three-peat. Cardinals beat the Rockies tonight in the 'I really don't want to root for either of these teams Bowl' and clinched the NL Central. They had the better season. Their superstars had the better year. Their pitchers stepped up and outperformed us. Congratulations to the St. Louis Cardinals for taking the Central.
Now we're looking at the Wild Card. Granted, we're looking at it with horrible seats but at least we got tickets. A few teams are standing in our way of claiming the Wild Card and our down in front chants aren't doing much in making a difference. It hasn't seemed to work in our favor this last month of the season no matter what we do. It seems any time we pick up a game on the Rockies, so does everyone else. And if we lose a game, well, they do too. And the Rockies have pulled a ton of comeback wins out making our late season heroics attempts moot. We're not out of it yet and it's becoming quite the final couple weeks of the season. Don't know that I'd use the word 'wild' to describe it, but at least the games still mean something anyway. For three more games that is anyway, possibly less.
Our elimination number is down to 3. Any combination of Rockies wins and Cub losses that add up to three and we're done. These few games against the Giants have been a blast. I must admit, when I saw Zambrano v. Lincecum as the opposing pitchers the other night, I thought we were toast. Figures that's when Z steps up and delivers his best pitching performance since his no-hitter a year ago. Also figures that while Lee has been on a tear, he just happens to be the guy on base in front of Baker, who just happens to hit a 2 run shot to win a ballgame in the ninth, who just happens to drive in Lee, who just happens to be the victim of an overzealous Guzman celebration, who just happens to hit Lee (not Baker, who actually hit the home run) and who just so happens to injure Lee's neck while doing so causing him to miss a couple games. And that my friends is what we call the Chicago Cubs.
I wish this team would continue to play all out while we aren't mathematically eliminated but it has been nice seeing the young talent shine. I understand being careful with guys for next year, but since we're still in it…I guess since we're still in it, it does bother me a little shutting down guys like Harden and being so careful with Lilly who's been our star all year on the mound. And in total contrast, if you're giving up on the season and looking to next year and giving guys a bit of lighter workload, why are we allowing Dempster to push to try and reach 200 innings? Who cares if Demp wants to hit 200? You want to save him and make sure his arm doesn't throw any unnecessary pitches in 2009 we could use in 2010…then allowing this push to 200 is something I just don't get. Gorzellany has been great and the lineups and results have been working in our favor, but really who would've thought that'd be the case. I kind of feel like the organization gave up on the season too soon and have simply been lucky that the make shift line ups have come through the way they have.
So here we are three games away from elimination. Let's just keep playing hard and see where the chips fall. Central is no longer a possibility…but let's keep pushing and see if we can somehow make our way down front and capture the wild card. Never know. Right Yogi?
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we recently try to clone a gene into pBAD33 for controllable expression with Venus as a reporter. we first cloned Venus into the XbaI and HindIII sites and named it pBADV, then we cloned the other gene in front of Venus between SacI and XbaI and named it pBADVY. we checked almost everything we could, there are correct RBS, the gene sequence is just as we expected, the first RBS is at least 30-40 bps from the end of the promoter. however, in the same strain, under the same condition, pBADV produced very week fluorescence while pBADVY produced much stronger, at least 50 times stronger fluorescence. this bothers me because i'm not sure if the gene in front of Venus was expressed as I thought...basically i want to use Venus as an indicator of the expression level of the other gene but now I'm not sure if it's gonna work. any of you guys have similar experience?
I don't understand why the expression level of Venus is suddenly enhanced by 50 times once there is another gene inserted in front of it. pBAD33 has been a classical vector for a very long time and i thought it should be easy to use...I would appreciate any suggestions.
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expression problem with pBAD33...similar experience?
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Your other gene could have cryptic promoter sites. It could also have a far better RBS, and translational readthrough could be higher than in the original context.
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not likely...because without induction, the cells are not bright. if there is a cryptic promoter, the cell should be bright all the time. I'm not sure about the RBS, but Venus with the same RBS in another plasmid under a constitutive promoter works quite well...
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Funeral services for Alvis Kenneth Harry, 78, of North Richland Hills will be 11 a.m. Thursday, Oct. 17, 2013, at Shady Grove Baptist Church with Dr. Bill Weever to officiate. Burial will follow at Smithfield Cemetery. Visitation will be 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. Wednesday at the funeral home. Alvis Harry, loving husband, father granddad and friend entered his heavenly home Oct. 14, 2013. He was born Jan. 26, 1935, to S.M. and Faye Woods Harry in Lamesa, Texas. He worked construction many years and retired from Birdville Independant School District in 2001. He had a passion for riding, roping, R.V. camping, fishing, woodworking, going to the mountains, his family, friends, his Lord and Shady Grove Baptist Church. Left behind to cherish his memory are his wife of 57 years, Reba Harry, son, Russell Harry and his wife Camille Smith, daughters, Kenda Baxter and her husband Stephen, Angela Sanchez and her husband Eddie, granddaughters Salina Sanchez, Karmen Gillingham, Lorelei Smith, Sierra Sanchez and Wayne Carroll, Selicia Sanchez and Elvis Skipper and Chelsea and Shaun Bolen. Alvis is preceded in death by his parents and brother Ancel Harry. In lieu of flowers, memorials are suggested to Community Hospice of Texas, 6100 Western Place, Suite 105 Fort Worth, Texas 76107.Paid obituary


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Roark compiled an impressive resume during her five-years at Virginia Tech. The Mt. Juliet, Tenn. native, spent last season as a student assistant on the coaching staff that was named 2012 National Fastpitch Coaches Association Mid-Atlantic Region coaching staff of the year. She helped guide the Hokie pitching staff to a 2.52 earned run average which was good for third in the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) as Virginia Tech made it the NCAA Regionals.
"We are extremely excited to add Kenzie to our staff. Kenzie brings passion, knowledge and excitement to our program," said Irwin. "Kenzie had a successful career at Virginia Tech and received tremendous coaching from coaches Scot Thomas, Barb Sherwood, and Al Brauns. She also had the opportunity to work alongside them in a coaching role and comes highly recommended."
The former Hokie was the team's ace in her final two seasons and earned 2010 ACC first-team all-tournament honors. Roark was named ACC Pitcher of the Week and Virginia Tech Athlete of the Week on April 5, 2010, for her 3-0 week which include a victory against UNCG and a pair of wins versus Florida State. Roark was the Hokies' No. 2 pitcher as a freshman behind All-American Angela Tincher as they won the ACC Championship and participated in the 2008 Women's College World Series.
Roark, who ended her colligate career as one of Virginia Tech's all-time best pitchers, as she is second all-time with 155 appearances, fourth all-time in strikeouts (510) and innings pitched (661.1) and sixth in wins (51) and opponents batting average (.254).
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NY's Attorney General Demands All Data On NYC AirBNB Rentals
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The NY AG's office claims that they're only going after a small number of "bad" AirBnB users, mainly "landlords doing long-term illegal rentals," but if that's the case, why does it need information on 15,000 users. If anything, that's going to create massive chilling effects. Services like AirBnB provide tremendous amount of value on both sides of the equation -- homeowners are able to make extra cash (sometimes significant amounts) while travelers are able to rent out nice places at lower rates than hotels. It's a good deal that's pretty efficient across the board. The NY AG's office claims that this leaves out neighbors who may be impacted, but it seems like there are much better ways to deal with neighbor problems than having to go trolling through all of AirBnB's records.


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In the Skyhook case, which I covered in detail, Skyhook claims Google forced Motorola and Company X into using Google Location Services, despite the fact that these two phone makers had already entered into contract to use Skyhook's XPS services. Skyhook claims that Google either wanted Skyhook's XPS and Location Services to run side-by-side, or to not use XPS at all. Running them side-by-side would give Google access to Skyhook's better (Skyhook's words) location data.
Skyhook argued that this was all because Android's Compliance Definition Document was vague and open to any interpretation Google saw fit. Upon studying this document, however, it became clear that the CDD is anything but vague, and rather straightforward and easy to understand, and as such, it seemed very unlikely to me that Google could hold the CDD up to Motorola and force them to do anything. On top of that, the CDD had nothing to say about location services at all.
I concluded that a more likely candidate for Google to pressure Motorola with is the secret agreement concerning the Google applications and Market access. Since this agreement is secret, Skyhook can't build a case around it, and as such, it is firced to focus on the publicly available CDD instead.
However, Skyhook itself provided the evidence against this secret agreement being a vague document Google can pressure OEMs with; not only did Skyhook point out that Android devices have already shipped with different location services, but Motorola and Company X also told Skyhook that their agreements with Google allowed switching location services.
Still, weak case or no, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Google abusing its power - it comes naturally to any large company, whether it carries a fluffy bunny unicorn motto or not. Now Google CEO Eric Schmidt implicitly confirmed that the secret agreement - and not the CDD as Skyhook claims - is the leverage with which Google blocked Skyhook from Motorola's devices.
"Android is an open platform and device makers are free to modify the Android source code to customize or disable any range of features for Android devices," Schmidt said, "However, if someone wishes to market a device as being Android compatible or to include Google applications on the device, we require the device to conform with some basic compatibility requirements to help ensure a consistent experience for users and a consistent platform for developers."
My bold, and bingo. The CDD is far too clear and specific to be used as a pressure tool, and as such, the secret Google applications agreement was a far more likely candidate - it's secret for a reason, wouldn't you think? Seeing how Android devices have already shipped with non-Google location services, and seeing how both Motorola and Company X did not see any problems in the secret agreement, it must mean that either the agreement is intentionally vague, or has been quickly amended by Google when they learned about Skyhook's success.
Ironically, this is what Schmidt said earlier during the interview, when asked about why Google isn't forcing OEMs to give their users the option of transforming their device into stock Android, updated by Google. "The fact of the matter is that if we were to put those type of restrictions on an open source product, we'd be violating the principle of open source," Schmidt replied.
Android is open source. The Google applications (and thus, access to the Market), are not. Google can apparently use the agreement covering these applications to pressure OEMs, despite the starry-eyed answer by Schmidt regarding Android's open source-ness. Sure, you could ship your Android device without Google applications and Market access, but who's going to buy that?
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Microsoft plans to release its next operating system, codenamed Longhorn, sometime within the next year or two. This operating system's beta version will be released in June and includes many improvements since the last time Microsoft showed off their newest addition to the Windows family. Microsoft claims Longhorn will be more stable the the current Windows operating system. New additions include a presentation engine called Avalon, a Web services architecture called Indigo, and a reworking of the Windows files system known as WinFS (but who knows when this feature will be finished?). Microsoft has not released much information about all the features the beta version will offer, but it is nice to see Longhorn move closer to going gold. Can Microsoft really develop a stable operating system with less security flaws?
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Barbara Kent, 103, an actress who began her career in silent films of the 1920s and made the transition to talkies in the Harold Lloyd comedies "Welcome Danger" and "Feet First," died Oct. 13 in Palm Desert, her family announced. No cause was given.
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Looking for a speedy snack or lunch? Here are six ideas inspired by the cuisines and flavors of Asia. Some of these can be made fairly quickly on the spot, while others might be prepared ahead of time to enable easy snacking later. And all of them are vegetarian, vegan, or veg-friendly.
• 1 Addictively crunchy wasabi-toasted nori crisps
• 2 Maki sushi with vegetables or umeboshi pickled plums and shiso leaves (pictured)
• 3 Refreshing and easyJapanese pickled cucumber
• 4 Pa jeon, or Korean pancakes with vegetables, meat, or seafood
• 5 Spring or summer rolls with vegetables and mint (pictured) or kimchi and tofu
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It's not entirely clear what's going on here, but someone anonymous has pointed us to a post on a blog that was supposedly posting "ridiculous pictures of Celine Dion" (that's the name of the blog) that says the site got a legal nastygram from Dion's lawyers, claiming infringement. They don't provide details of what they think about the site is infringing (copyright? publicity rights?), so it's tough to analyze the specific legal issues, though I can't see how they have much of a legitimate case. Either way, whoever runs the site has agreed to take it down, because the cost of defending it is too high. Of course, that's what Celine Dion's lawyers were hoping for anyway. So the blog is gone, though it did leave this one image as the avatar of the user who put together the site:
In the meantime, how thin skinned and vain a celebrity must you be to shut down a blog showing funny pictures of you? The person who ran the blog notes that it was "superfans" who were using the site, and now they're all shut out of having some fun around a celebrity they like because she's got aggressive lawyers. Sad.
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out_of_the_blue, 21 Jul 2011 @ 8:53am
So sad. So important. So in keeping with your charter:"the Techdirt blog uses a proven economic framework to analyze and offer insight into news stories about changes in government policy, technology and legal issues that affect companies ability to innovate and grow"
The Incoherent One (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 8:56am
Re: So sad. So important. So in keeping with your charter:do not feed.
Atkray (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:55am
Re: Re: So sad. So important. So in keeping with your charter:but.
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 10:00am
Re: Re: Re: So sad. So important. So in keeping with your charter:so many stinky buts ... /sarcasm
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:15am
Re: So sad. So important. So in keeping with your charter:Mike will just say "it's my damn blog after all" like he always does when posting random unrelated crap out of the blue and people dare complain. So don't dare or feel the wrath of the almighty Mike.
Marcus Carab (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:20am
Re: Re: So sad. So important. So in keeping with your charter:when posting random unrelated crap out of the blue
You are talking to a guy so good at posting random unrelated crap that he chose the name "out of the blue"
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 2:13pm
Re: Re: Re: So sad. So important. So in keeping with your charter:haha, I didn't even notice. Awesome.
Jeffrey Nonken (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:24am
Re: So sad. So important. So in keeping with your character:"...and we absolutely, positively guarantee that we will never post anything else. Or double your money back and oral sex for everybody."
Odd that I didn't notice the exclusionary phrase on the first reading. Or the second.
Ben (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:31am
Re: So sad. So important. So in keeping with your charter:
...legal issues that affect companies ability to innovate and grow
Does seem appropriate:
1. legal nastygram from lawyers (i.e. "legal issue")
2. innovative blog (arguably a "company")
3. shut down (i.e. ability to grow if not innovate).
That seems directly in keeping with the charter you quote. Oddly, of course the whole process of shutting down the blog by Ms Dion's lawyers brings the existence of those photos to the attention of many people (myself included) who would otherwise never have been aware of them.
Welcome the Dion effect: the new incarnation of the Streisand effect.
HothMonster, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:44am
Re: Re: So sad. So important. So in keeping with your charter:dont bother, he doesnt understand half of the words in his quote anyway
charliebrown (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:46am
Re: The Dion EffectIf you go to that blog now, the post about it closing down is actually tagged "the dion effect"
But "The Striesand Effect" sounds cooler IMO
Howard the Duck, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:42am
Re: So sad. So important. So in keeping with your charter:Need to go bitch on government sites, replacing "charter" with "constitution".
The Incoherent One (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 8:55am
Streisand Effect?I had never even heard of this website.... till now. She does make a lot of really goofy faces.
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:25am
Re: Streisand Effect?And now a bunch of news organizations that can afford a few lawyers got wind of it... Celine loses, and then loses some more.
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 8:55am"the Techdirt blog uses a proven economic framework to analyze and offer insight into news stories about changes in government policy, technology and legal issues that affect companies ability to innovate and grow"
Emphasis mine.
dude, I mean at least your not an anonymous troll, but you could at least be a troll with high reading comprehension.
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 8:55amSo, an anonymous person sent you some story about something where something happened and a site was taken down. Oh, and Celine Dion was involved. Does that sum it up?
Come one man. Is there even a point here? I like Techdirt and all, but this one has nothing to do with anything...
halley (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:22am
Re:This is certainly an example of a business (from a business aspect, Celine Dion is a brand), where the business's legal staff is getting in the way of her fans. Considering the blog has an ongoing interest in (1) quashing of free speech, and (2) "connecting with fans" (CwF), I think it's just fine to discuss this. Other businesses should take this as yet another example on why the legal staff should not be driving policy or knee-jerking in ways that damages the brand.
Marcus Carab (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:24am
Re:I can see two main "points" here: another example of abusing IP law, and another example of the Streisand effect (featuring Streisand 2.0 no less)
Those are both smack dab in the middle of Techdirt's wheelhouse. I guess there's nothing too special or new about this story, but it's hardly shocking that it was covered here, since it involves topics that are central to this blog...
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:43am
Re:"some story about something where something happened"
Good work! You've just summed up every article on every site on the entire internet. Your point though?
Howard the Duck, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:46am
Re:How much thought did you really put into that critique? I mean really? It's to find a relationship to a blog being taken down because of publicity rights, and Techdirt?
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:47am
Re:You just basically summed up every news item from any source.
And yes, I'm serious about the "Celine Dion was involved" part. I'm pretty sure that if anything noteworthy happens, she is somehow involved!
btr1701 (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 10:08am
Re:> Oh, and Celine Dion was involved. Does that sum it up?
Not very well, no.
The Groove Tiger (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 12:33pm
Re:So, someone posted something in the comments of some blog complaining about something. Oh, and an anonymous coward was involved.
dwg, 22 Jul 2011 @ 9:57am
Re:Right-ho. Please stick to posts that relate only to illegible legislation and deep technical issues in the future. Wouldn't want to make the tent any bigger by including IP-RELATED articles that might be relevant/interesting to the 99% of humanity that can't or don't want to read things in the first two categories. Better to keep things just among us and dictate what the other 99% should do--after all, we know better.
Richard (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 8:56am
You can still see someHere
The internet never forgets...
HothMonster, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:46am
Re: You can still see somewow this site looks awesome
gigglehurtz (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 10:05am
Re: You can still see someOh man. I should have listened to what I learned from Sadly, No! But I got out the boat. Damn your eyes! -for, um, damning mine...
Jeremy7600, 21 Jul 2011 @ 11:07am
Re: You can still see somehttp://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:c0E0l4ePEwoJ:ridiculouspicturesofcelinedion.tum blr.com/page/2+http://ridiculouspicturesofcelinedion.tumblr.com/&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk& gl=us&source=www.google.com
Dougal Campbell, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:11am
It's the chilling effectBut if this story was about Microsoft shutting down a site that had funny pictures of Steve Ballmer (and what picture of Ballmer *isn't* funny?), you'd be all over this, I bet. The important part of the article isn't that it's Celine Dion involved, it's that a site got shut down for so-called copyright infringement without saying what the infringements were. Was the site really infringing? I dunno. Was it fair-use? I dunno. But that's where the focus should be.
Capitalist Lion Tamer (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:23am
ripped off from somewhere...Celine finds out about the site and goes to talk to her lawyer. His first words when he sees her: "Why the long face, Celine?"
The rest is history.
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:38am
Re: ripped off from somewhere...s/Celine/Sarah Jessica Parker
Yup, recycled but still funnay!
Nicedoggy, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:28amCeline Dion the greatest mistake Canada ever made :)
ClarkeyBalboa (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 11:21am
Re:The Canadian government has already apologized for Celine Dion on numerous occassions! Stop blaming Canada for this already!
charliebrown (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:29amBeen waiting YEARS to "publish" this
>>>Sung to the tune of "My Heart Will Go On"
Every night in my room
I hear it, I fear it
The high pitched voice of Ms Dion
They play it on the AM
The TV, The FM
You cannot escape this song
Near, far, wherever you are
You will hear this damn song** and
This song just drags on and on
**even though it came out almost 15 years ago now! She had better songs but the radio stations keep playing this frikken one!
Seriously, I like Celine Dion apart from THAT song I parodied above. And taking down those pictures? Low. She clearly has the world's worst publicist or something along those lines.
Incidentally, under section 203, that song parody is allowed to stay on this site unless the editors of the site deem otherwise. It is also "fair use" by being a parody. So too bad if Ms Dion's lawyers don't like it. Only Techdirt staff can take it down. And you can't get them in trouble if they don't! Nyah!
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:34amshe looks like a mug shot of meth heads.
Comboman (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:37am
Thin-skinned ideedDion (or rather her husband/manager) is extremely thin-skinned. They once cancelled a major concert because of a slightly negative comment by a local music columnist.
James, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:38am
Not to defend anyone... but......this very well could be the work of her manager and she may have no real idea what this was, or that it even happened.
Seems like this might fall under 1st amendment grounds, unless Dion owns the rights to all of those photos, and these people are making money from it.
Personally, I remember a show a while back called, "Stars without makeup", loved it.
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 9:59amIs a woman who sang one song on the Titanic soundtrack really a celebrity?
Marcus Carab (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 10:12am
Re:Are you kidding? Because for whatever reason, Celine Dion is huge. A quick scan of Wikipedia notes the following records:
- Best-selling female artist of all time (worldwide)
- Second-best-selling female artist in the U.S. during the SoundScan era
- Best-selling Canadian artist of all time
- Best-selling French-language album of all time
- Only female with two singles that broke 1-million copies in the UK
- Over 200-million albums sold worldwide
- 3 Golden Globes, 2 Oscars, 5 grammies, 12 WMAs, 7 AMAs, 7 Billboard Awards, 21 Junos, 39 F�lixes
Personally I can't stand her - but apparently a hell of a lot of people can.
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 10:39am
Re: Re:These are my favorite kind of troll. Being tricked into admitting knowledge of Celine Dion has to be particularly galling.
I bring you back to 1994: http://www.kibo.com/kibopost/meta_trolling.html
Marcus Carab (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 10:55am
Re: Re: Re:LOL. It's an amusing thought, I'll grant you that. But trust me, if I was trying to hide knowledge of Celine Dion, I wouldn't have started with a detailed list of her accolades :P
I'm a Canadian. Celine Dion is even more unavoidable here than she is in the rest of the world (every time I hear "heart will go on" playing in McDonalds I know it's going to be a bad day) so I was surprised to see someone act as though she was small potatoes. The specific stats came from Wikipedia (indeed if you look at her page there, and the page listing her awards, you will notice that my points are culled directly from the intro paragraphs)
Sorry, I just despise inaccuracy, even when it relates to people I don't actually care about :)
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 1:23pm
Re: Re:I hear that. For my money I don't think it gets any better than when Celine Dion sings, "When a Man Loves a Woman."
Wait, that's not her that's Michael Bolton?
Sorry, must have got my no-talent ass-clowns with a bunch of grammies mixed up.
Marcus Carab (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 1:44pm
Re: Re: Re:Sorry, must have got my no-talent ass-clowns with a bunch of grammies mixed up.
Haha, favourite TD quote of the day :)
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 10:35amProbably a build-up of negative PR to bring her back into the limelight. As you can tell here she ain't doing much these days.
Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 21 Jul 2011 @ 11:18am
The Internet Never SleepsYou can still find plenty of blogs who took from the original and posted photos. Thanks Google!
List of the Day
Anonymous Coward, 21 Jul 2011 @ 1:18pmThis raises an interesting question about fair use: if one is a parody of themselves is it still possible to use the parody exception to copyright and claim fair use?
Anonymous Jack, 21 Jul 2011 @ 4:10pm
JackfaceThank the gods Jackface is still available! Hooray for teh innertubez!
Anonymous Troll, 21 Jul 2011 @ 4:18pm
Ease of Posting1. Oh so Mike thinks something about something.
2. Mike is always wrong about everything.
3. Mike has no business writing his own blog.
4. Anything Mike says is automatically wrong.
5. I'm smarter than Mike on every subject.
6. I like to use Mike's name while posting anonymously because I learned that in Power Speaking For Manipulation class. When I feel really withering I call him "Mikey" just to prove how mature I am compared to Mike, which is why you should listen to my unsupported accusations and fuzzy, meaningless jabs on every single Techdirt article.
There. Now you can just cut and paste and save your wrists from carpal tunnel.
Kevin Carson, 23 Jul 2011 @ 12:37am
Another Reason to Hate HerI remember a while back seeing a trailer for an episode of "Touched by an Uncle," or whatever that stupid fucking show was, with Celine Dion as a guest star. My immediate reaction was "where's a crazed gunman when you need him?"
hugh williams, 24 Jul 2011 @ 3:44pmshame alot of the small sites get bullied into closing down
Anonymous Coward, 25 Jul 2011 @ 5:30pmhe has his charter to seem professional, but really he just blogs about any crap he can, and uses the its my blog opinion site to justify his own ranting


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