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It ain't just a river in Egypt! Rip it out!
Posted by Donna at April 22, 2009 3:07 PMI especially love the argument about not wanting to waste the time you already have invested in the project, when you know full well that the only possible outcome will be to frog them. Been there, done that! It's reassuring to know I'm not the only one...
Posted by Denise in Kent, WA at April 22, 2009 3:14 PMSorry about that, but remember this: You are not alone.
There are many, including myself who have carried on regardless of what our Inner Knitter tells us.
I just want to know why do we do such things?
Posted by Abigail at April 22, 2009 3:15 PMFind someone with some severe cankles. You know what I mean, there's no difference between their calf and their ankle....
Posted by Amanda at April 22, 2009 3:15 PMI have just arrived at the collar for the Sweater Girl jumper by Sublime with one ball of yarn left. I know it's not going to be enough, but I just have to keep knitting until I reach the end of the ball. I sure hope I can get some more. It's been a lot of knitting to get this far. I know exactly how you feel.
Posted by Yvonne at April 22, 2009 3:15 PMSorry about that, but remember this: You are not alone.
There are many, including myself who have carried on regardless of what our Inner Knitter tells us.
I just want to know why do we do such things?
Posted by Abigail at April 22, 2009 3:15 PMI've wondered if I was the only one who did things like this.
Posted by Maureen at April 22, 2009 3:15 PMSorry about that, but remember this: You are not alone.
There are many, including myself who have carried on regardless of what our Inner Knitter tells us.
I just want to know why do we do such things?
Posted by Abigail at April 22, 2009 3:15 PMI have just arrived at the collar for the Sweater Girl jumper by Sublime with one ball of yarn left. I know it's not going to be enough, but I just have to keep knitting until I reach the end of the ball. I sure hope I can get some more. It's been a lot of knitting to get this far. I know exactly how you feel.
Posted by Yvonne at April 22, 2009 3:16 PMIsn't this what they call the JOY of knitting? Goulash?
Posted by Bridget at April 22, 2009 3:16 PMI remember when I decided that FROGGING was not a "bad" thing...because I love knitting and that just meant I'd get to do it again.... I was knitting felted slippers and had reknit the soles 4 times.
Posted by Jacque at April 22, 2009 3:16 PMI especially love the argument about not wanting to waste the time you already have invested in the project, when you know full well that the only possible outcome will be to frog them. Been there, done that! It's reassuring to know I'm not the only one...
Posted by Denise in Kent, WA at April 22, 2009 3:16 PMOh, knitting denial, how well I know you...
If you knit it, it will fit. Or not. But I believe you're not a true knitter if you don't knit in denial from time to time.
Posted by woohoogirl at April 22, 2009 3:18 PMDo you need some wollmeise for that pattern? I'll send you some. (too thin for my tastes)
Posted by Wen at April 22, 2009 3:18 PMUhh, totally been there. I've been saving Janel's book for that time, sometime in the future, when I'll be able to concentrate on a sock pattern--written by someone else-- again. Last night? Minor league ball game, extremely boring sock pattern (my own) that I keep reknitting. At least I have a lot of ankle length socks now. They even appear to match...
Oh, and what's that about "cankles?" I thought I wrote about cankles (and my infant nephew) first? Now I hear it's really a word other people use too?!
Posted by Joanne Seiff at April 22, 2009 3:20 PMBut sometimes you've just got to say "what the hell"...or "dang the torpedos and full knit ahead"...
or better yet: "Rumors of my frogging the socks were greatly exaggerated..."
Posted by Bo at April 22, 2009 3:20 PMI have large calves and pretty big feet - I'm just sayin' . . .
Posted by Tammy at April 22, 2009 3:21 PMWait. Duh. Thicker, not thinner. Must...get...more...coffee...
Posted by Wen at April 22, 2009 3:21 PMProcess, not product, right? The process must have been serving some purpose for you? That's how I rationalize those experiences--and there have been a few!
Posted by Kirsty at April 22, 2009 3:22 PMI believe it was Sensei Bonne Marie Burns who said "If it seems hinky, it is hinky."
Posted by rams at April 22, 2009 3:23 PMLacy ski- boot cozies sound good. :) I bet there are people who would buy them.
Posted by Mya at April 22, 2009 3:27 PMPerhaps you could finish the sock, line it with something, and make a lacy turquoise sock-shaped purse? Perhaps a fancy Christmas stocking?
I love Janel's book. Rivendell was to DIE for, but I like the see-through ones even better...I think they are called Monterrey...I use them for my summer slipper socks. (Socks with built in ventilation! How clever!)
Posted by Megan at April 22, 2009 3:27 PMDay four left us in suspense......did you frog them or are the big lacy sox finished now? Maybe if you do the second one of the pair too, the problems will magically disappear!?
Posted by Annie at April 22, 2009 3:29 PMOMG, I was laughing so hard I was crying because I have been in this exact position and thought the exact same thing. Thanks for the laughter and camaraderie!
Posted by Mary Ventress at April 22, 2009 3:32 PMGo ahead and cast on the second sock - I bet that one will fit better.... or you can felt them...
*giggle, giggle*
Posted by Christine at April 22, 2009 3:34 PMYou have to make a decision. Do you want to KNIT a sock or do you want to PRODUCE a sock?
If you want to knit a sock, keep going. Worry about what to do with a lace Christmas stocking later.
If you want to PRODUCE a wearable-by-you sock... well, you already know what to do. You've thought about it at least every thirty minutes for the last few days!
Posted by LisaDinPA at April 22, 2009 3:36 PMIt wouldn't be so funny if I hadn't done the exact same thing, multiple times. Sometimes you just have to keep knitting while you think about why your knitting isn't working.
Posted by Imbrium at April 22, 2009 3:37 PMYou were just swatching to see how you liked the pattern, right? Maybe at the back of your mind you were thinking it would make a nice Christmas stocking, because you know that the loose gauge would allow people to fit more goodies into your stocking. Sounds pausible, doesn't it?
Posted by Barbara from Nova Scotia at April 22, 2009 3:45 PMBottom Line: do you love these huge socks enough to keep going and mount them on the wall as a decoration, or would you rather have the yarn?
Posted by Carla at April 22, 2009 3:45 PMYou were just swatching to see how you liked the pattern, right? Maybe at the back of your mind you were thinking it would make a nice Christmas stocking, because you know that the loose gauge would allow people to fit more goodies into your stocking. Sounds pausible, doesn't it?
Posted by Barbara from Nova Scotia at April 22, 2009 3:45 PMLike Tammy, I have the calves of a East German track star. So someone will be able to wear them and you're having a great time, so why stop now!?!
Rationalization #4323a, courtesy of Jane in Chlly Hollow
Posted by Chillyhollow at April 22, 2009 3:45 PMYou know people who don't walk on their feet, so they won't wear them out. If the foot is the right size, then, perfect!
Posted by AlisonH at April 22, 2009 3:46 PMAh, Denial. That river moved from Egypt over to Canada, didn't it?
That said, I have thick calves, a size 10AA foot and I can't knit socks so . . .
Posted by Shel at April 22, 2009 3:49 PMI have a pair exactly like those. Finish them so you can keep your husband looking for their mates for the next 10 years.
Posted by knitterati at April 22, 2009 3:49 PMYou definateley had a case of delusional knitting.
Posted by Lesley at April 22, 2009 3:52 PMI hereby volunteer to mudwrestle Tammy and Jane and any other takers for the privilege of wearing those socks on my Sum0-esque legs. Or if you're not into mud wrestling, how about a donation to MSF???
(Yes, I am shameless. But shameless for a good cause is still good. Right?)
Posted by kris at April 22, 2009 3:52 PMSteph, just do what I do. Enjoy the knitting then find a person who they will fit. That person will love getting the socks since none of their knitters want to make socks for such huge calves. There are some of us who are reasonably normal sized with sumo-wrestler sized calves.
You're so global - you've coined a word in the NYT, and Greg Kinnear is quoted as naming you "the Michael Jordan of knitting" ... and you don't know any average sized cross-dressing sumo wrestlers??? C'mon!!
That says a lot for Janel's pattern, though!
Don't feel too badly. I cast on for 64 stitch socks yesterday and somehow in my head, 21 stitches per needle (4 needles) added up to 64. I was ten rows past the picot hem before I realized that I can't add.
Posted by elizabeth at April 22, 2009 3:56 PMyers, don't be hasty.
Posted by Elizabeth at April 22, 2009 3:57 PMYa know, as much as it sucks that you have to rip them out, it's nice to see that there someone who I see as a very accomplished knitter still donig the same silly things as me.
Posted by Rosa at April 22, 2009 4:02 PMworse than that, be the knitting instructor who suggested to student that the tension seemed a bit loose and student pleaded to continue with sock only to have to come in and watch me undo a weeks work of work. (It was my fault you see...!)
Posted by tina at April 22, 2009 4:03 PMAh, thank you for that!
I had an awful day, (thankfully over by now here in Europe), but now I can go to bed without having to weep into my pillow. Thank you.
Thank God I'm not the only one who does this! I spent 3 days knitting a skirt when I knew the chart was wrong, but thought perhaps it was just my inexperience and maybe it would still turn out right. Wrong-I frogged the entire chart portion.
Posted by biomaj5 at April 22, 2009 4:07 PMAnd yet....I notice you did not actually say that you HAD frogged them, so I remain unconvinced. I shall expect a photo of the completed sock tomorrow.
If you hadn't done a heel, you could have turned it into a wine bottle cozy. That would be easier to find than an average sized sumo wrestler with cankles.
You should have swatched.
just sayin'
Posted by Deb at April 22, 2009 4:11 PMI'm with Mary Jane. I seem to sometimes knit for the pleasure of it and then pass my project on to someone it will fit. They will never know I didn't plan it for them in the first place! I'm now knitting my first ever sweater (a February Lady sweater started in March probably finished in June!) and I fear as I look at it will not fit me even though the gauge matches the pattern exactly. Maybe I don't fit the gauge!
Posted by Judy at April 22, 2009 4:15 PMIt's quite possible that there are BAD wool fumes eminating from your sweater.Just sayin'...
Posted by Kim(with kids) at April 22, 2009 4:16 PMAs soon as you frog them, you'll meet the nicest cross-dressing Sumo wrestler who's favorite color is turquoise. Sad, sad, sad. ;)
Posted by Christie at April 22, 2009 4:16 PMYou poor thing, sock/pattern disproportion always stinks.You'll find the perfect pattern for your yarn and it will be beautiful.
Posted by Ashley at April 22, 2009 4:19 PMMaybe the socks could go with the felted vest I knit last fall, the one that turned out to be the size of a sumo wrestler (I am 5'2"). Please let me know if you find a sumo wrestler who is cold and could use a very nice felted vest in gray Cascade Pastazzo.
Posted by Debbie at April 22, 2009 4:20 PMUnless it's superwash yarn, felt the socks. That's what I do when my gage is out of whack.
Posted by Knitter Kris at April 22, 2009 4:22 PMI like that you're taking the "document your issues and interactions with [problem causer] before confronting the issue" approach. That's proactivity.
Also a reminder: gague is a lying liar that does nothing but lie. Swatching would have been useless.
But... Aren't Tuesdays for spinning?
Posted by Katsheare at April 22, 2009 4:23 PMNiagara, hmmm? You know what happens to people who go over the falls in a barrel, right??
Posted by Becky at April 22, 2009 4:24 PMYeah. But that stitch pattern and yarn would make a lovely wrap.
Posted by Cathy at April 22, 2009 4:29 PMI HAVE GIANT TREE TRUNK LEGS! And I am female and not a cross dressing sumo wrestler. I do, however have very tiny size 6 feet. Ask me how proportional THAT looks. Anyway...I think we are a match made in heaven, your giant socks and me.
Posted by melistress at April 22, 2009 4:32 PMBeen there. Done that. Just couldn't write it up nearly as well as you did!
Posted by Doris at April 22, 2009 4:38 PMBeautiful yarn, though. The color alone is worth frogging a sock. or two. Not that I've ever knitted way beyond when I should've quit just because I was enjoying the process. Not. ever. Never.
Posted by Fiberbrarian at April 22, 2009 4:41 PMDenial. It can carry you just so far before it dumps you on the dung heap of reality.
You'll recover. You always do.
Posted by Megt at April 22, 2009 4:41 PMPretty yarn, tho, and the pattern looks nice.
Posted by Mary Peed at April 22, 2009 4:42 PMWine bottle cozy!! Or if they are too small for that, an Ipod cozy - I discovered an ill fitting sock is just perfect for an Ipod. Keeps the cat from eating the earbuds (but that's another story).
Posted by Mikesmom at April 22, 2009 4:43 PMI noticed that you said "frog" before YOU HAD EVEN FINISHED WINDING! Only the Yarn Harlot, LOL!
Look at it this way....you did it for blog fodder...you wanted to amuse us.
Thanks for the chuckle, now back to clearing out the dusty room (aaaahhhhchoo!)
Posted by Colleen at April 22, 2009 4:44 PMLove it! Been there, done that! So. . .they sound sort of pretty. Where's the picture?
Posted by Amy S. at April 22, 2009 4:45 PMI'm too slow. I came to say this:
"As soon as you frog them, you'll meet the nicest cross-dressing Sumo wrestler who's favorite color is turquoise. Sad, sad, sad. ;)
Posted by: Christie at April 22, 2009 4:16 PM"
Darn you, Christie, and your lightning-like typing reflexes!!!
Posted by Lee Ann at April 22, 2009 4:49 PMThere's no graceful way about it. This is when you claim "it's all about the process."
Posted by Carol at April 22, 2009 5:00 PMSKI BOOT COZIES!!!!! I just laughed my gluteus off. Not two minutes ago I finished a pair of socks (yes I own 10 entire needles , so no second sock syndrome) and I had to kitchener carefully because I only had 4 inches of yarn remaining.
Posted by jl at April 22, 2009 5:01 PMWow! You are describing my entire day yesterday, only substitute a lace scarf for your socks. Wrong number cast-on. Pattern difficulty. Hating the gauge I was getting. Changing yarns and trying it again. Hating variegated yarn.... all the while my head is saying "stop this, you're wasting time, go work on the other 10 projects you got started."
Today, I rip the scarf out. Ugh!
Posted by Lisa at April 22, 2009 5:02 PMI have big feet - hint hint!
Posted by Helen at April 22, 2009 5:03 PMDon't worry and close your eyes while you're ripping. It hurts, but you'll feel well after!
Posted by Léonie at April 22, 2009 5:05 PMHey-- I've got Eddie Izzard on Twitter-- he's got good legs but he's still a pretty muscular guy, and I bet he'd LOVE a pair of turquoise lace socks.. *giggle*
Sorry... you're just so brave to frog things... I would have to stow them in my "UFS Bag" for a year before I went back... (Un-Finished Sock bag--you'd be surprised how full it is...)
Posted by shanny mac at April 22, 2009 5:05 PMHave you seen Knitgeekery's blog for today? I think you are knitting each other's socks.
Posted by Kris at April 22, 2009 5:06 PMNow I'm scared-knitting a shawl and didn't check gauge as I figured it would be just fine. Aack-although I am glad I am not the only one in this sort of a predicament. Good luck!
Posted by jane at April 22, 2009 5:08 PMFirst time writing to you! I first knit the Niagara socks on size 1 needles w/Regia bamboo (30 st=4 in on US 2-3)--for my mom who has US size 6 feet-came out fine once I pulled out the heel flap and made the traditional k1,s1 flap-- but too small for my size 9's! Now knitting them on size 2 needles in "On Your Toes" Bamboo (7 sts=1 inch on US 3),and decided to do them just as instructed, they certainly are wide!! Also knit the Rivendell socks last summer and although the patterns are beautiful and original,I find all the leg lengths too short!! Had to add on to the Rivendell's!
Posted by kathi at April 22, 2009 5:10 PMFor frogging that is just too painful--draft help, in the form of family members who would _love_ the excuse to _legally_ pull apart Mom's knitting project ;)! The only trick is getting them to wind it into a realtively tidy ball as they go, so it's ready to put back on your ballwinder when you've forgiven it and are ready to deal with it again... Good luck, randmknitter
Posted by randmknitter at April 22, 2009 5:27 PMCertainly hoping the denial mojo isn't contagious ... I'm ~6 inches into a cardigan for my dad that I was planning on blocking (on the needles) tonight in order to check the size.
Perhaps my over-anxiety on this score caused your sure-seems-wrong-but-I'm-still-knitting mishap?
Lovely yarn in any case.
Posted by Sarah JS at April 22, 2009 5:30 PMHere's a solution: Without frogging the first sock, find another yarn more in keeping with the pattern weight/gauge recommendation and cast on. Knit a few rows and compare the two. Of course, if this doesn't appeal to you, the lovely blue ones may fit Madame Maxime.
Wait, wait, wait! You forgot FELTING! That's what I always tell myself anyway, when my socks in progress look too big: "Oh, it's fine. They'll felt in the wash!" I even say it about superwash, because you never really know with superwash do you - and you handwash them anyway, right? There must be a reason for all that distrust. So anyway, long story short - keep on knittin'!
Posted by madmad at April 22, 2009 5:43 PMi just frogged and entire shawl.. i had dyed the cashmere/silk, and spun it. then knit the whole darned thing; and from the very beginning i was thinking: i'm not getting gauge. this is going to be way too small.
i don't know what happened to my brain. i think it leaked out of my ears in the night.
Posted by annie at April 22, 2009 5:44 PMI thought it was just me. I have done this more than once, and never thought to cast it as amusing. Thank you SO much for that little confession. I absolve us both.
Posted by Marie at April 22, 2009 5:53 PMI thought it was just me. I have done this more than I care to remember, and never thought to cast it as amusing. Thank you SO much for that little confession. I absolve us both.
Posted by Marie at April 22, 2009 5:54 PMOh, hilarious and sad too. Why don't I listen to myself and keep knitting when I have to STOP.
How did you get inside my head? :-)
Okay, you almost made me pee my pants. You have made the whole process of denial just too funny. I promise, I wasn't laughing at you, just at your description. Alright, I was laughing at you a little. And I have done the very same denial thing, so I apologise. Why is it that we keep on knitting when we know full well that something is terribly wrong and we should frog? My brain seems to think that if I just do a few more rows, somehow the mess that has already happened will all sort itself out, or be cured, or not show.
Posted by marjorie at April 22, 2009 5:57 PMFrog mercilessly. You *like* knitting, remember?
Posted by CTJen at April 22, 2009 6:02 PMWe all understand. But really, you have to let the sock go. Let it go.
Frog your sock. As quickly as is possible, like ripping off a band-aid.
Posted by Laura B. at April 22, 2009 6:09 PMConsider it a practice sock. One you needed to complete for some karmic reason. And remember:
1. good yarn is meant to be knit more than once.
2. You Are Not Alone.
Thoughts to consider [none of which will be news to you!]:
* this is supposed to be your MINDLESS, RELAXING knitting project, right?!?
* remember how very pretty the ball of yarn was as a BALL OF YARN--even frogging is not without its rewards, as you would be recovering said treasure for redeployment!
* lace Christmas stocking--that was a great suggestion as a realistic middle ground between What One Hopes and What Is Actually Possible...
Thanks for reminding us of one of the key ways we get ourselves mired in the Slough of Despond over non-working projects...ruthless honesty, People! The end results (socks that will actually fit humans we know, and mental/emotional satisfaction) will be worth the temporary pain and disappointment...Yes. Courage, all!
Posted by christine at April 22, 2009 6:41 PMOh, do not rip! Here are some ideas:
1. Joe needs socks right? And Halloween is only 6 months away. Maybe they could be part of his costume.
2. You have Amazon-goddess sized friends, and you travel the world. Certainly they will fit someone.
3. Maybe they will full, if not felt.
4. They are meant to be a new trend - outer socks, to be worn over inner socks (the ones that fit). Yes, I think I see a book idea developing out of this... knitting the liner and the lace oversock. Very chic!
Make the other one. Go ahead. Maybe it'll all work out.
Just remember to take lots of pictures while you're doing it.
Posted by Presbytera at April 22, 2009 6:55 PMOh dear ... it's like looking in the mirror. I have cast on some socks intended for an elderly male friend, in aran-weight homespun, and have a terrible feeling they might end up like your current sock. The friend is too old to learn sumo wrestling and develop his calves ... I might just take your advice and frog. Thanks for the warning!!!
Posted by Lindsey at April 22, 2009 7:20 PMif it helps i do have calfs like a sumo wrestler, you could say you made them for me all along.
or you could add a white bow & knitted snowflake to the top and say you're started knitting christmas stockings early.
Posted by amanda at April 22, 2009 7:24 PMI am really curious as to how many pairs of socks you make in a year? Have you ever kept track? I can count the number of socks I have made on both hands - not a fan of making socks - but a wanta be! I would love to know your numbers!
Posted by Laura at April 22, 2009 7:31 PMI had you figured for a third day realist, but you got all the way to day 4. I'm disillusioned.
Still, it could all work out....
Posted by Maureen at April 22, 2009 7:59 PMOh well!!!! I have one skein of manos silk blend that has been knit to completion 3 times. The first 2 times, I kept knitting against all odds and decided when I was finished to frog the whole project and start again. Now, in its 3rd incarnation, it is a Cat Bordhi Magical Moebius Cowl. It has survived in this state for 2 weeks, but I'm not guaranteeing it. I must be a process knitter. Also, the yarn must be darned good yarn to withstand the punishment. P.S. I was delighted to finally find someone who uses "impact" the way I do(see Twitter post).
Posted by hazel Smith at April 22, 2009 8:09 PMI think I have had a very similar conversation with some sock yarn lately.
I frogged it.
I am hopeful, but not sure.
I have calves like small tree trunks, and I wear turquoise lace socks. Or, I would, if I had any.
Posted by Avedaggio at April 22, 2009 8:23 PMIs there something in the air in the eastern part of North America? I started a pair of socks last week from a lovely skein of yarn I bought at Loop in Philadelphia. The problem--the pattern went from 40 stitches at the ribbing to 86 stitches in the leg. The socks are meant for my petite daughter-in-law, yet I kept knitting several inches. The difference is that I frogged them and restarted with a different size of needle--two times! Guess what 86 stitches is still to big. This morning I gave up (I am back home on the West coast now and apparently I think clearer on my home turf), frogged the sock again (almost to heal this time) and restarted with a different pattern--65 stitches and much much better.
Posted by Carol at April 22, 2009 8:28 PMSteph, (May I call you Steph?), I'm seriously thinking a garter stitch scarf in which gauge doesn't matter- maybe one of those ones that you had fun knitting earlier this year.
When the knitting mojo is out of whack the knitting gods must be appeased.
Posted by Cath at April 22, 2009 8:56 PMAin't it a b*!ch when you have to correct your own errata? "I wouldn't want to be hasty" Thanks for the laugh!
Posted by stephanie at April 22, 2009 9:05 PMPlease send me those big socks.
My feet are cold and my calves are as big as your arm.
Finally, my (new) favorite color is green.
Arigatou gozaimasu,
Posted by Sumo Wrestler at April 22, 2009 9:08 PMSize 10 wide feet here, ankles and calves to match. You could have a drawing amongst those of us brave enough to admit that kind of personal info.
Posted by Debby at April 22, 2009 9:08 PMThat's how I knit. But what I think I need more than the garment is the peace and lower blood pressure and calming influence of the soft clickety clack of the needles and the feel of the yarn pulling through my fingers. That's why I can't stop when I know I should.
Posted by Barbara L at April 22, 2009 9:25 PMWhat is the name of Janel's book? I am in the dark here....
Finish the lacy turquoise huge sock. Find some coordinating fabric, lay it flat on a table, trace around the lacy sock, and sew the resultant shape together. Fit this inside the lacy sock, hand-sew around the top, and voila! One Xmas stocking!
Posted by Anne at April 22, 2009 9:33 PM4+ pitting edema of the ankles! Okay, kidding. They're really purty, though. I can see why you paired the two together!
Posted by Amy at April 22, 2009 9:35 PMoh thank you thank you! I was compelled to read this aloud to my husband to help him understand how I recently managed to make all the pieces of a sweater and begin sewing it together before admitting that it was completely awful (wrong yarn, didn't get gauge, tried to pretend I could fudge it even though I could tell my fudges weren't working) and frogging it.
Posted by Rebecca at April 22, 2009 9:38 PMOh no...I was so sure that if I scrolled down I'd see the finished sock fitting perfectly.
Posted by Debbie at April 22, 2009 9:39 PM"Just now noticing"? Um, Steph?
Posted by Riin at April 22, 2009 10:00 PMRemember it is NOT the yarn's fault. User error here. Yay, for the shout-out about Colorado Yarn indie dyers! Pick the right pattern and you will have very beautiful socks, indeed.
Posted by Liz at April 22, 2009 10:08 PMChristmas Socks? Can you give them to someone who is into retro and has an aluminum tree with bright tourquise balls on it? It was all the rage when I was small. VERY small...It was a little scary though.
Posted by Sherry at April 22, 2009 10:23 PMOoo, I have a skein of Red Rocks in my stash. It's a lovely pink colorway. Did you get yours in Denver?
Posted by Beverly at April 22, 2009 10:43 PMI have those socks in pink!! Well, not exactly those, but big, lacy ski boot cozies... They sure are pretty, but they'll never fit anyone other than my 16yo son. Maybe he'll give in and just wear them. You think?
Posted by Lisle at April 22, 2009 10:50 PMLooks like you have something you could add to an MSF auction/fundraiser at SS09. Lots of folks out there are asking for them. So go ahead and knit the other one (provided you have sufficient yarn for the second sumo wrestler sized sock). They do look pretty even if the gauge is not on the planet.
Why do knitters refuse to listen to their negative self talk when it's about their knitting and listen actively to negative self talk about themselves?
Must be too many voices running around in our heads.
Posted by Alice in the Heartland at April 22, 2009 11:56 PMYH: Proper English is "have an impact". It is not "impacted". Teeth are impacted. Bad teeth. Don't make me bite you.
YES! Thank you, thank you, thank you, from the bottom of my editor's heart.
(Also, the meteor impacts the earth; teachers do NOT impact students!) (Well, they may WANT to.....)
Stephanie, you're hilarious. I'll tell you what: I have ankles and feet like a sumo wrestler. If you decide not to frog them, you can send them to me!
Posted by Jen at April 23, 2009 12:16 AMOops - just read through the comments and I see I am not alone in my sumo-wrestler-esque appendages (and not-so-subtle attempt to get something sent to me by the Yarn Harlot)!
Posted by Jen at April 23, 2009 12:30 AMI had a similar experience with a sock a couple of weeks ago. It ended up being big enough for my husband, but it was pink. I thought about overdying it in blue, but couldn't convince myself to do another one like it, so I frogged the offending sock, knit another pair (too small), finished my husband's Christmas sweater (last Christmas) and am currently working on the second sock of the pair I had to frog.
Posted by Marina Stern at April 23, 2009 12:38 AMActually, I feel pretty certain that just about any old sumo wrestler would wear them. Japanese dudes wear some of the girliest things. I'm just saying.
Posted by Tracy J. at April 23, 2009 1:26 AMI was trying the two circular needle method. I didn't like it. After the sock sat around for 5 or so years, I switched it to 4 needles. I took it to Madrona to work on and then I knew that the yarn was just too fine for the needles. I didn't want to frog after all those years, but then my friend told me that I would have one less UFO. And some lovely yarn to make socks with. Love it.
Posted by Gail at April 23, 2009 2:16 AMAh hahahahahha! Thanks!
Posted by balzac at April 23, 2009 2:40 AMThe appropriate course of action is then to stick it in a bag in a dark corner and ignore it for six months and then take it out to see if it improved at all. It won't do (at least my naughty projects have never done) but then you'll be able to rip it without a moment's hesitation.
I ripped a heavily beaded piece of lace this week, so much work went into it but much much more was needed. I feel better about it now, most of the time.
Posted by Caroline M at April 23, 2009 2:49 AMI'm in the exact same place at the moment! Halfway down the leg of the sock, telling myself the friend they're for has big legs so it's okay, planning on changing down a needle size at the heel… I've noticed a mistake that means ripping back 14 rounds anyway, so now I have the dilemma, do I just rip back all the way and do them properly this time?
Posted by Rhian at April 23, 2009 4:14 AMThe thing I find most hilarious is that you thought you should frog them before you even cast on. Congrats for forward thinking. ;)
Posted by Stephanie at April 23, 2009 4:14 AMGirl- you SO FUNNY!
No rest for the wicked! I think we've all been there, done that but you come out the other side with a VHS tape cozy and all is right in the world. Sounds like you had a great EARTH DAY!
Posted by Diane at April 23, 2009 6:42 AMThis is me! You just described me!
Posted by Turtleknits at April 23, 2009 7:33 AMBeen there! Just was there actually but with knee highs, went all the way down to the toe. *Sob*
Posted by Joelle at April 23, 2009 7:59 AMThis was so me last week. You made me feel better and normal! THANKS
Posted by carolynandpets at April 23, 2009 8:29 AMEven worse denial is doing that while KNOWING that my desk is starting to sag under the weight of all the paperwork I am emotionally unable to cope with!
At least with knitting we get a "do over" that's relatively easy and painless. And we get to play with the pretty yarn longer. That's got to be worth something, right?
Posted by fibersong at April 23, 2009 8:49 AMOr- you could (frog the sock,) go down a needle size or two, and add another pattern repeat to make the size you want.
Having large feet, I have to do this a lot, as I almost never can get gauge and still have a nice firm fabric that will stand up to wear. (I also have a tendency to regard patterns more as vague general guidelines, but that's a different issue...)
The yarn is gorgeous and the pattern looks good in it, so it would be a pity if it got sent to time out!
Posted by RobinH at April 23, 2009 8:56 AMAt least it's just a sock. Plenty of people go through the exact same thing -- this isn't going to work, dog's breakfast, it won't fit -- except it's about a boyfriend. Then they start the second sock, which we call marriage.
Posted by vpurl at April 23, 2009 9:08 AMHilarious! I was in knitter's denial when knitting a top down sweater. I kept thinking, boy, this looks loose and HUGE. But I kept going. And going. And then the body of the sweater was done and in order for it to fit, not only would I have to gain 300 pounds, I'd also have to shrink about a foot. Yeah, it got frogged and the yarn is in the shame pile, waiting for redemption.
Posted by Jen in MN at April 23, 2009 9:11 AM>>Lacy ski- boot cozies maybe, but not socks.
Congratulations, Stephanie, I believe you have just invented the Easter stocking.
Posted by Zelda at April 23, 2009 9:11 AMOne word - DENIAL!
Posted by Susan at April 23, 2009 9:25 AM"I don't know any really big cross-dressing Sumo wrestlers."
Possibly the funniest line I have ever read in a blog--I just laughed out loud (at work, and my job does not usually cause one to laugh out loud while staring at the computer)...and you should have warned me not to read that while I'm drinking coffee.
Out-loud laughter, coffee, and computer equipment don't go well together.
Posted by Julie at April 23, 2009 9:26 AMDid you finish the second one yet??? :)
Posted by Daniele at April 23, 2009 9:27 AMI realized while reading this that knitting is very scientific, and fact based. Duh, right?
The thing is, when I paint, you can fudge. You can keep going with the hope that it might turn out right in the end. In fact, some of my best paintings have been those that I "pressed on through" on when I wanted to crumple it up and toss in the towel. Pressing on through with knitting often causes more regret- because the facts are the facts... unless you have friends who range in size from midget to Sumo wrestler to absorb all the mistakes.
Wouldn't that be funny if a cross dressing sumo wrestler found you through the blog and told you he loved the socks?! :-)
Posted by Tisra at April 23, 2009 9:30 AMOh, my heavens, this was funny - and still hurt to read. We've all been there.
(BTW, have you heard from the cross-dressing Sumo wrestling community yet? Did anyone call dibs on the socks if you finished them?)
Posted by CraftyGryphon at April 23, 2009 9:38 AMRippit, Rippit, Rippit! LOL I just had to frog a Pomatomus that I was so happy with, but I used a 1 instead of a 2 needle and I couldn't get it over my heel! It hurt, but I felt better after I had it caked again. Now, a fresh start with the right needle, dammit!
Posted by Mitzi at April 23, 2009 9:53 AMOuch. I know I ignore gauge at my peril, but I am like this and figure it will fit someone. Luckily, I usually ignore the suggested needle size and say for my feet use a set of 0s and have done with it. I've been lucky so far, but I think it is great to have a reminder of what to expect if ignoring the gauge doesn't work out. I'm just sorry that this refresher lesson had to happen to you!
Posted by Seanna Lea at April 23, 2009 9:57 AMLOL - denial and the resulting loss of work happens to even the excellent, famous knitters that I admire.
Now, I don't feel so bad about frogging a Meida's Sock halfway through the heel flap. I was fervently trying to ignore the fact that the yarn is crap and the pattern is not.
Thank you. Really - THANK YOU. :-)
Posted by Carol at April 23, 2009 9:58 AMSuch a pretty yarn. Surely it needs to be on display. Knit the 1 sock, find a display frame and hang it on the wall as a tribute to beautiful yarn in a functional form. Sounds like art to me.
Posted by Dianna at April 23, 2009 10:03 AMDUDE! That was hysterical!!! Thanks for brightening an otherwise dull and repetitive morning.
Posted by Tara at April 23, 2009 10:08 AMHere's something you could do-- finish knitting both socks. Then get some flat ribbon in a matching or complimentary color. Then you could do a corset-laced thing on the back of the socks, where they go up the back of your ankle and calves. You wouldn't lace it tight, of course, but enough so that they would be more form-fitting to your leg. If the foot portion was too big, you could do the same on the top of the foot (this is why flat ribbon is important). And you could run the ribbon over and under the top of the sock, if the top is too loose to stay on your leg, and use the ribbon to tie it on. Think a cute little bow at the back of your calves or at the side.
Think of how sexy that would be-- your beautiful turquoise lace socks, the lace pattern exposed by the barest amount of stretching with the smooth satin ribbon, crisscrossing up the back of your legs, and topped with a little bow.
Damn. I want to make super huge lace socks now just so I can do this ribbon thing!
Posted by Avedaggio at April 23, 2009 10:16 AMBwahahahahaha!
Posted by Sumiko at April 23, 2009 10:27 AMum, I'll be your average sized, large calved, cross-dressing Sumo wrestler.
Posted by Sara at April 23, 2009 10:27 AMMy aunt has large calves and would proudly wear those socks. (She likes to cultivate knitting friends and relatives). Let me know if you want her address.
Posted by Su at April 23, 2009 10:30 AMI'd love to see a coffee table photo book of stupid things that have been knit in total denial. I have a couple of projects I'd be willing to donate to the book. (OK, more than a couple, but who's counting?)
Posted by Jill at April 23, 2009 10:32 AMMy favorite sentence in here (and perhaps of all time): "Maybe it'll get better if I keep going."
(Second favorite line: "less time than it takes a hummingbird to think about flowers. . .")
Posted by Amy again at April 23, 2009 11:22 AMStrangely, I am a cross dressing sumo wrestler and can never find socks to fit. Bring it on!
Joel :-)
Posted by Joel at April 23, 2009 11:23 AMWhich is why the nearly finished sweater in a lovely Tye-Dye cotton remains unfinished. I'm just not sure stripes across my (huge) boobs is a good way to go.
What do you think?
Posted by cutehair at April 23, 2009 11:34 AMOh, I love that I am not the only one on that river! I have been forcing Go With the Flow Socks (ironic no?) with a beautiful variegated yarn that worked itself in to an odd diagonal on the leg, a muddy mess on the heel and gusset and strange stripe on the foot. Oh yes, I am inches away from completing the first sock!!
All along I have been trying to convince myself that it is funky.
NO! It is hideous!
I have pounds of yarn in my office that would look better with this lovely pattern and piles of patterns that would highlight the beauty of this yarn.
Tonight I frog...
Thank you!
Posted by Heather at April 23, 2009 11:38 AMIf the knit-fates decreed that these socks should turn out like this, then the knit-fates must have an owner in mind. This is a job for...
the KNITTERS! With our collective power, nothing is beyond us!
We must band together and find a cross-dressing Sumo wrestler with tree trunk legs who would enjoy wearing turquoise fishnet stockings. This person needs our help in finding their perfect socks, and the socks need our help in finding an owner!
Well, now I know what I'm doing today. TO THE KNIT-CAVE to get on my BIKE-MOBILE! Onwards to start the search!
Posted by Suzanne at April 23, 2009 11:42 AMfrogin is always the best idea- but alas you keep forging on anyway!!
Posted by kristin- aka kristins kraze at April 23, 2009 12:03 PMLeg warmers, Dude! Forget the heel, turn them into beautiful leg warmers!
Posted by AndreaA at April 23, 2009 12:26 PMwho cares who it fits, that is some seriously gorgeous fabric you are making there.
Posted by Gail at April 23, 2009 12:37 PMSteph:
Long time fan from Knitting Rules on. I've since collected all, and read the blog back to day one - more laughs and tears than I can count.
First comments - after today's post, I couldn't resist. Just returned from vacation where I'd taken a beautiful, handpainted alpaca lace shawl (colorway very similar to today's sock). During the knitting, finishing, blocking, it just wasn't quite right, but the river (apparently flowing from Egypt to Canada to Pennsylvania) thought all will be well once it was put to use on a starlit beach in Mexico. Can one successfully frog blocked laceweight alpaca? I hope so.
We'll find out once I finish the current hiccup. You'd given me courage to branch out from slavishly following the written pattern (other than color choices), so your Snowdrop shawl seemed an appropriate choice. Minor tweaks - slightly larger and longer for those of us who aren't quite your stature, which was easy. We Libras like balance, so thought extending your lace edging on all 3 sides would work well. I skipped the Icord, and started directly down one side and up the other, then across the top.
Wasn't until finishing side 3 that I saw the gigantic pucker at right top corner. Dithered for two nights, as the Patons Divine mohair blend used has a marked tendency to cement together immediately once a stitch is knit. After many deep cleansing breaths, I've started tinking (this stuff won't rip). Not fun, but knew the blip would drive me insane. Those vibes you've been hearing of late is my muttering "if Stephanie can do it, I can do it." Thank you!
That happened to me this weekend, except that I was on a plane without many other choices, even once I'd realized that my beautiful yarn, knit up, looked like clown puke.
(But maybe that's just the cuff. Maybe, if I just continue down into the slowest-ever-to-knit-up-indecipherable pattern it will be better....)
Posted by Lynn in Tucson at April 23, 2009 1:22 PMThat happened to me this weekend, except that I was on a plane without many other choices, once I'd realized that my beautiful yarn, knit up, looked like clown puke.
(But maybe that's just the cuff. Maybe, if I just continue down into the slowest-ever-to-knit-up-indecipherable pattern it will be better....)
Posted by Lynn in Tucson at April 23, 2009 1:22 PMAhh, Stephanie! There is just _no_ vacation like a trip down De Nial.
Not, of course, because I don't go there often myself!
From the Sock-Shaped State,
Posted by Marjorie at April 23, 2009 1:27 PMDeary deary me...Larks! ;)
I have big feet. And sumo calves. But I will not wear those things in that color. How about a nice blue? :p
Posted by Joey B. at April 23, 2009 1:30 PMYour post could not be more timely. I just ripped out my lovely Belle Epoque turquoise sock last night.
I am still slightly dizzy and sick to my stomach.
Sorry, I'm still stuck on the whole cross-dressing sumo wrestler thing...
I'll think about being sympathetic while I reach for the brain bleach.
Posted by silfert at April 23, 2009 2:59 PMOh thank you. I needed this laugh in the worst way. I spent yesterday dealing with 2 to 3 inches of water in the finished side of my basement! Most everything down there is ruined and it ain't real easy to laught right now. You at least got me smiling!!
Posted by Snargle Mom at April 23, 2009 3:04 PMSounds like those jealous knitters in the van who stole your circular needle have struck again....
Posted by Marea at April 23, 2009 3:42 PMWait! Don't rip them! I know a really cool cross-dressing Sumo wrestler whose favorite color is turquoise. And he skis.
Posted by marie in NJ at April 23, 2009 4:02 PMDue to Lymphedema in my legs, I have large calves and ankles. Just a thought ;)
Posted by Tina at April 23, 2009 4:07 PMSo. In wondering why I did not find this post funny, I realized I am doing exactly this 'ignore the good suggestion' game in an important area of my life. I wish it were about a sock!
In the end? Thank you so much.
Posted by Leah at April 23, 2009 4:08 PMPoor moth. "bloody wing of moth" ??? I've never heard that one before. I guess this whole episode can go into your next book. And the moth can eat the yarn to heal the bloody wing..... ...
Posted by CarolK at April 23, 2009 4:56 PMoh - take a photo before you frog it!! We would love to see the finished product, even if it isn't up to your standards. Either that - or finish the second one anyways -- you never know when you might just run into one of those cross-dressin sumo wrestlers, and wouldn't it be great to have on hand.
or save them for a perfectly hideous gift for the boyfriend of your daughter that you really can't stand but can't come right out and throw him out in the snow.
Why did my eyes see "I stuck up my head from the mess", yet my mind thought "I stuck my head up my arse"?! I need a vacation.
Lovely socks.
Posted by MonkeyGurl at April 23, 2009 6:40 PMSo, you got away from that sweater for 3 days. Does it look better now? eh? That really is pretty sock yarn.
Posted by Kathy Sue at April 23, 2009 6:55 PMOh, I laughed til I cried. I did the same thing last week -- just change the color in your photo to a lovely deep red. I finally gave up after the gusset. Lacy, huge, deep red.
Posted by Sue H at April 23, 2009 8:05 PMStephanie: I think you are the master of self-delusion! Thanks for the giggle!
Posted by KateinIowa at April 23, 2009 9:21 PMApparently, the purpose of the socks (giggle) was to provide (tee hee) your readers the storyline (snork) for a hysterically funny (guffaw) blog post...
Just so you know, it worked perfectly in my case!
Posted by Vanessa at April 23, 2009 9:22 PMBless you for finally giving me a good hard laugh today. I really needed one.
...of course, now I'm faced with the Fact that the socks I'm working on right now are too big for the kid I'm (allegedly) making them for...although perhaps that's one of those intentional mistakes because the yarn is super-pretty and would look better on someone ELSE, like, uh, ME...
Posted by Mother Chaos at April 24, 2009 1:46 AMI am currently working on a pair of socks, knowing I don't have enough yarn to make them match, wool socks with soya blend toes in three different colours. I nearly f-worded them, but a kid, sitting next to me on the bus while I was knitting, told her mother she liked them.
By the way, have you seen this? www.p-hop.co.uk
It's a wonderful thing, and I bet you inspired it.
Posted by Fredi Smith at April 24, 2009 6:15 AMSo comforting to know that even the pros knit crap sometimes.
Posted by Mandaleigh at April 24, 2009 8:06 AMStephanie, I can't tell you how hilarious this post is. This is totally my normal thought process with anything that I do, so I am very comforted in knowing the such experienced knitters such as yourself have the same issues.
BTW - cross-dressing sumo wrestlers are not the only people on earth with big calves. I have big calves and this is actually the only thing preventing me from finishing my first pair of socks (you know, the ones that I showed you the last time you were in Chicago and you took a picture of and put it on your blog...those socks...) because I keep thinking that I need to increase as I do the calf but I don't want to increase too much...that and the fact that I could have knit the foot portion about 5 more rows before beginning the heel and I should have done some more increasing before I did the heel, but they at least fit. Except for the calf part.
Posted by Tonja at April 24, 2009 8:51 AMAll I have to say is if you don't frog today, it will make a particularly lovely lace Christmas stocking.
Posted by Sue at April 24, 2009 10:07 AMYou are like the Oprah of knitting things. You mention the sock yarn brand and it sells out in minutes. They must love you and feel like they won the lottery when you endorse their product.
Posted by Ruth Locke at April 24, 2009 10:10 AMI totally tried to knit those very same socks in Jojoland Melody and had the same issue that it was too thin. I kept telling myself it would be ok until I got through the heel and realized that heel would wear through so fast it wasn't even funny. I just pulled the needles out and shoved it to the bottom of the basket. It is a fun pattern though. I think it just needs a thicker yarn. Good luck!
Posted by Nina at April 24, 2009 11:07 AMI laughed when I read the blog about the socks - been there,knit it, frogged it. Try finishing the wretchred things then throw them into the washing machine - a hot wash - they might shrink, with a bit of luck. And at least it would make you feel better. Good Luck!
Posted by rosie at April 24, 2009 11:27 AMThanks of the insult to people who have large legs. You just aren't that funny as you think you are.
Posted by Mary at April 24, 2009 11:54 AMPoser! You aren't really in denial. If you were, you'd WEAR the Big Socks.
Kinda like the pair I have on right now.
You get used to it after a while.
Posted by Aidan at April 24, 2009 4:27 PMMay I refer you sweet Stephanie to your own calendar date April 24th. "There has got to be something up with yarn shops. Everything always seems so possible there. I just picked up a pattern and some yarn to knit it that are pretty much unrelated to each other, and I can't even explain what I was thinking. While I was in the shop I was quite convinced that even though I failed grade ten math three times, I would somehow be able to rewrite the pattern to make this yarn work. Now I've been sitting here with a calculator and some bizarre scribbles on graph paper, and I think someone should really research wool fumes and figure out what comes over us to make us think all things are possible in a yarn shop. Quickly. Before I hurt myself." See....that's the problem with writing stuff down, it always comes back to haunt you. Also, apparently those troublesome fumes follow you home and lodge themselves in you stash! The research should start soon!
Posted by Susie at April 25, 2009 11:06 AMI don't think I have ever laughed so hard in my life.
Posted by Helen at April 25, 2009 7:25 PMSteph, I want to hug you! I have never laughed so hard! That blog will keep me smiling for days! Thank you
Posted by mardene at April 26, 2009 5:45 PMAhh, I have the opposite problem. As soon as I see a gauge problem, an error, or any other issue with my knitting, I look at it, decide I should just keep knitting but then stop the project...for several years. By the time I return to the project, my knitting tension has changed and I need to frog the project.
Posted by silverarrowknits at April 27, 2009 1:18 PMWhy not tink and make it a cowl?
Posted by Andrea at April 28, 2009 11:57 AMPlease forgive my ignorance, and tell me--what is frogging?
Also, a suggestion: being an internist, I see many people every day with massively swollen feet. Usually because of heart failure. These socks could be a fabulous gift for one of them. Maybe you could covertly drop them off at your local hospital's cardiac care unit...


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i think we both agreed this time that it wasnt right. something was still missing. maybe we should just give it a little bit more time.. we're still friends :)
at the same time, oscar want me, and now my friends ex want me too! And my stalker is getting pretty dan creepy… I was actually Scared today. Hmm, who else. I guess Morgan. He's nice, but he's more like, friend materlial. Then ofcourse Kauka, my exs friend, as well as my friends ex. It's all a complicated mess. Maybe I should write a book about it..
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At first i was sad when i found out my "ex" had a new girlfriend already, i was even more upset when i noticed she was the girl he hung out with Alot wduring the time he was with me. Then I realized he's a real damn ass. And I feel sorry for his new girl, really, and if I'll cry, I'll cry for her. That spell, that control he still had over me is now gone.
I wanted to be the one who got a bf before he did, to rub something in his face and take some revenge for what he did, because I know I'm better than him. He IS a scumbag. But no, that's not worth it. Even though revenge would be awesome I don't wan to get a bf for that purpose. Instead I'm gonna take it slower and find a good person, not just the first that comes along. I deserve happiness.
And, I might have found someone. New fredde :p
Kind, super sweet, caring, relaxed, hot, hot, HOT, beautiful blue eyes, wonderful smile, gentleman, he sweetest thing really.
I was at his place for the weekend, two nights, and he was just the sweetest thing. He made me feel relaxed, and I'm never relaxed. But I felt I could be myself around him. We live realy close to one another as well. :) I've really been missing the warmth of another body close to me. I like him :3
It was almost as love at first sight. I had seen hime a few times before, but this time, i walked right up to him, looked right into his eyes and some crazy feeling said that this is The Guy, THE ONE. I'm gonna marry him!
I laughed away those thoughts but I still remember them. The spell cast at that moment only lasted for a few seconds, but now it's rebuilding. I think I'm falling in love again.. Not just there yet, I'm still not over my heartbreak, but this guy!! I'm going to move slower this time, get to know him. Yeah :)
He's under my skin :3
I wanna spread my wings and lift high into the skyyyyy
alright, exaggerations put aside, I'm really tired and I'm gonna go to bed now, gnight!


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Extension talk:Cite
Thread title | Replies | Last modified |
HTML5-style syntax? | 1 | 02:04, 10 May 2013 |
Cite does not create references | 9 | 07:23, 14 April 2013 |
Cite failing to render citations | 0 | 22:23, 12 April 2013 |
Number of references | 4 | 16:45, 7 March 2013 |
Mimic Wikipedia's Cite | 12 | 18:43, 4 March 2013 |
Allow defining references not used in page text? | 0 | 06:48, 26 February 2013 |
Rename the extension | 1 | 21:52, 20 February 2013 |
Error after installing Cite extension | 1 | 23:15, 19 February 2013 |
"Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfmessage()" | 4 | 21:46, 18 January 2013 |
page-argument in ref-tag | 0 | 12:32, 16 January 2013 |
memcache + cite does not work? | 0 | 02:54, 10 January 2013 |
Can't download | 3 | 14:28, 6 November 2012 |
How to disable Cite for summary pages? | 1 | 23:18, 18 October 2012 |
Tooltip | 1 | 11:40, 22 August 2012 |
2 bugs were found. | 0 | 06:34, 12 August 2012 |
Template expansion WITHIN a ref? | 2 | 15:51, 24 July 2012 |
I get nada | 1 | 09:46, 6 June 2012 |
How are the automatic list columns created? | 1 | 18:35, 25 May 2012 |
Cite and Vorlage:Literatur | 0 | 20:32, 7 May 2012 |
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Cite.php syntax is not compatible with HTML5; this is an issue for consistently using HTML5 in MediaWiki – see mw:HTML5.
Cite.php uses XML-style syntax for "empty/void elements" – <ref name="foo" />
and <references />
– in a way that is not compatible with HTML5; the XML-style is from XHTML 1.0. This is not necessarily a problem per se, as these are Tag extensions, not actual HTML/XML tags, but as the web moves to HTML5, this will be a cause of inconsistency and confusion to users unless corrected. Further, it requires the MediaWiki software to support inconsistent syntax.
The easiest solution is probably to use templates to insulate users from the details of the tag syntax; this is detailed below.
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Issue [edit]
The issue is that in HTML5, the minimized tag sytax <foo/>
is invalid for non-void elements, and is generally interpreted simply as a tag – <foo>
– the trailing slash (/) is stripped, rather than interpreted as a terminator. As the Cite.php tags are non-void (they can have content), this is interpreted as a bare opening tag, without a closing tag.
Thus instead of XHTML <ref name="foo" />
<references />
in HTML5 one would need <ref name=foo></ref name=foo>
(note that HTML5 allows unquoted attribute values).
Because the ref and references tags are very widely used (notably on English Wikipedia), this issue has very broad scope, even if the impact is minor.
Background [edit]
The details are confusing; here is some background.
XML allows minimized tag syntax <foo/>
for empty elements (see XML: Tags for Empty Elements and XHTML1: Empty elements). In XML, "empty element" means "has no content, whether or not element type declared with keyword EMPTY (meaning 'cannot have content')", so it refers both to elements that cannot have content, such as

(usually serialized as

where the slash is a terminator, but can be serialized as

) and elements that can have content, but do not, like an empty paragraph:

Per HTML5 "Elements" documentation: HTML5 "void element" means "cannot have content"; it corresponds to XML's EMPTY keyword. Further, trailing / are dropped (formally the slash is actually forbidden for non-void elements). This changes behavior for empty non-void elements. Void elements only have a single tag, where the / is optional, as in

though

is also valid. Empty non-void elements, like empty paragraphs, need a closing tag (though this may be implied in some cases). For example,

in HTML5 does not behave like

(an empty paragraph) as in XHTML, but it's invalid syntax, and generally instead acts as bare opening tag:

Proposal [edit]
The <ref name="foo" />
syntax is tricky, but the <references />
should be easy to handle. The use of the {{reflist}}
template – which always (can?) output <references>...</references>
– means that users are insulated from this. Further, <references></references>
has the same behavior whether it has content or not: it includes any references in its content and lists pending inline refs.
The <ref name="foo" />
syntax is trickier because there are two behaviors for the <ref name="foo">
tag: create a new named ref (which is non-void), or refer to an existing ref (which is void, or handled by "if empty, then…"). At the tag level, clearer is to separate these, say by <ref name="foo">...</ref>
followed by <ref2 name="foo">
to create and then refer to a named reference.
This would be easier if this issue were isolated from users via a template. At English Wikipedia {{ref}}
is already used for a separate type of referencing, but {{fn}}
(for "footnote") is an almost unused template, so it could be used, and would be consistent with the {{sfn}}
and {{efn}}
template names. Using this, users could write {{fn|name=foo|...}}
and then {{fn|name=foo}}
In more technical detail, the existing XML-style tags could be supported indefinitely, or deprecated then removed, with an automated migration tool. The tool would:
- Replace
<ref name="foo" />
by<ref2 name="foo">
(leave quotes as they are allowed) – or even by{{fn|name=foo}}
and - Replace
<references />
– or even by{{reflist}}
Summary [edit]
In summary:
- Authors should use templates:
- Behind the scenes, add
tag and migrate existing usage.
How does this overall approach sound?
I've already elaborated on HTML5#HTML in wikitext why HTML5 is irrelevant to stuff inside the Parser.
MediaWiki: 1.19.2
Snapshot of the Cite: for MediaWiki 1.19.x
So, I installed the Cite and added require_once to LocalSettings.php
Now I'm trying to repeat the example:
According to scientists, the Sun is pretty big.<ref>E. Miller, The Sun, (New York: Academic Press, 2005), 23-5.</ref>
The Moon, however, is not so big.<ref>R. Smith, "Size of the Moon", Scientific American, 46 (April 1978): 44-6.</ref>
== Notes ==
<references />
and I get the folowing:
According to scientists, the Sun is pretty big.<cite_reference_link>
The Moon, however, is not so big.<cite_reference_link>
<cite_references_prefix><cite_references_link_one> <cite_references_link_one><cite_references_suffix>
What's wrong?
Those snapshots are unreliable, as I experienced myself lately. Try downloading the extension through Git instead.
Yeah, now I got the Cite extension by:
git clone https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/extensions/Cite.git
Replaced the previous one by that new one. But yet that has not changed anything, unfortinatelly. There are still <cite_reference_link> instead of footnotes.
Any further suggestions, please? I'm desperated with this extension, it didn't work that way since I had MediaWiki 1.17.
Maybe a recent change messed things up? You can try older versions of the extension, also available through Git:
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/Cite.git;a=summary ("snapshot" gives you a download link)
Nope, it didn't help too. I also tried snapshots of the Cite from 1.10 to the last 1.19 - none of them works correctly, all behave like I described.
Weird though - it actually does some work: translates <ref></ref> into <cite_reference_link>, but it seems that something messes with it.
I read somewhere, that some web-hosters have some "features" or "settings" on their servers, that prevents some extensions from working correctly. It seems that I'm the only one with such problem, and that means the problem is on my side, not on the extension's.
OMG, I've found the reason - I guess, it's my stupidity.
I've read once again the Cite's page here and saw the text where it says about special names or I don't know how to name it. So, it's like I described earlier: I got some <cite_references_prefix><cite_references_link_one> <cite_references_link_one><cite_references_suffix>
instead of references.
I simply went to the Wikipedia's special pages and copy source from there to special pages in my wiki, and it worked. For example, I went to my page MediaWiki:Cite_references_link_one
and pasted there
'''[[#$2|↑]]''' $3

. And so on.
I'm so glad, that everything works just fine now.
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On the version page, cite is verified, but after trying to use it, it doesn't seem to want to generate citations. Any idea as to what might be going on here? Please help. Thanks!
Current behavior
According to scientists, the Sun is pretty big.<cite_reference_link> The Moon, however, is not so big.<cite_reference_link>
<cite_references_prefix><cite_references_link_one> <cite_references_link_one><cite_references_suffix>
Is there a way to get the number of references on a page? I am trying to get the ref-list to automatically appear on pages but I don't want it to appear if there are no references being used.
i do not know a way to get this data displayed on the page directly (i.e., becoming part of the page directly, through wiki-code). it may be possible via scribunto (aka lua), but this will requires you to write some code also, so the advantage over JS is not clear (except for readers with JS disabled). and i'm not even sure if it's possible (and of course, if possible, it requires installing the scribunto extension).
here is a snippet that, if added to mediawiki:common.js will display the number of references under the page title (100% untested - this is meant mainly to illustrate):
if ( ! mw.config.get( 'wgNamespaceNumber' ) ) // only in namespace 0 $(function() { var num = $('ol.references li[id|="cite_note"]').length if (num) $('#siteSub').append(' | ' + num + ' Cite notes'); });
reading the original request more carefully, my reply was not very useful.
you can still use JS to *hide* the "references" section in case it's empty, but it may not be very pretty - the section will momentarily appear, and only after the page finishes rendering it will disappear (somewhat like "collapsible" elements). it will also not solve the case where there *are* references but no <references /> section.
again, you can use a pre-save JS hook that will at least warn the user when they are going to save a page with <ref> tags but no <references/> tag. you want to be careful, and not trigger the warning when editing a section.
Actually, I have the <references /> tag on almost any page, embedded as it is in a template so that I don't have to remind myself of adding it manually. When no references are used on the page, the list simply does not appear. The only nuisance is that I can't make the subheading (e.g. "References" or "Endnotes") conditional on the presence of <ref>...</ref> tags. The subheading appears regardless.
Is there a process so that I could mimic Wikipedia's Cite extension?
I downloaded and installed the Cite extension, to test it I copied a page from Wikipedia onto my wiki. I ended up getting errors about nonexistant Cite groups and missing Templates. I began to copy Cite Templates from Wikipedia to my wiki and now I get a Fatal Error timeout.
different wikis (such as enwiki) wrap the references with templates. if you want to use this extension in the simplest way, do not use any templates, but rather use the tags: the cites themselves appear on the page between tags <ref> and </ref>, and then, somewhere on the page (customarily at the end), you also need a <references /> tag (i.e., a self-closing "references" tag).
once you get this to work, you can start to play with more advanced features, and specifically with the "name" and "group" attributes.
Thank you for your response. I have the Cite extension working, but when I try to mimic Wikipedia I begin to get problems.
you can move (i.e., copy) templates from enwiki to your site, but you want to pay attention to some things:
- there are other extensions installed in enwiki. specifically, Extension:ParserFunctions, which some templates depend on.
- enwiki templating is pretty complex, and many templates use other templates. if you want to pull a template from enwiki, you need to pull (recursively) all the tempalates that this template uses.
Ah I see. One of the big problems was that I did not have ParserFunctions enabled. Are there other big extensions that I would need?
I am still receiving the error where Cite cannot find the name/group, but when I check the backend they are present.
I have recently upgraded to MediaWiki 1.20 and noticed that an extension I wrote to keep track of bibliographies (Miranche/BiblioTex) was partly broken. The extension adds functionality to Extension:Cite to use BibTex bibliographic information, both provided in wiki text or stored on the local file system. The references are included in wiki text via ... tags, which basically just unwrap into corresponding <ref>...</ref> tags. These parallel LaTeX usage, and accordingly I have also added <nocite>...</nocite> tags for references that I want to appear in the reference list but not in the text. Using a previous version of Ext:Cite, probably over 2 years old now, this worked no problem. Now, I get cite_error_references_missing_key.
The way I would deal with this locally would be to hack Ext:Cite to add an option, say $wgCiteAllowMissingKey, to allow for such references. I wanted to check, though,
- Is there a relevant past discussion on why references in the text are now required?
- Would an option to relax this requirement be useful in the public version of the Cite extension?
Thank you!
Hello there, i'm running MW V1.19.3, everything worked perfectly after I installed Cite extension, now i get this error x2 on every page:
Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /.../LocalSettings.php:1) in /.../includes/WebResponse.php on line 38
And can't access to my index/home page, the error just show up seven times, please can anybody help me?
Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfmessage() in /home/wikimultiple/wikimultiple/extensions/Cite/Cite_body.php on line 1007
This happens on any page with citations. I am a rank beginner at these things. Could someone explain?
What version of MediaWiki do you use (check Special:Version), and where did you download the Cite extension exactly (what version).
I got the same error. I'm using MW 1.16.2 and tried several snapshots of this extension, always the same error. This error can be fixed by replacing wfmessage() by wfMsg() but other errors appears after that.
wfMessage() cannot be replaced by wfMsg(). wfMessage(), a global function referencing the Message class was introduced in MediaWiki 1.17. We strongly suggest you update to a supported version of MediaWiki or use an older version of Cite.
it would be nice to have somewhere a list of links to "sanctioned" versions of the extension per mediawiki version.
i guess it's enough to have links to specific git commits (just to demonstrate what i mean - something like this), because the gitweb/gerrit thingy already has a "snapshot" link that gets you the tarball ready to eat.
Are there any developments regarding the "References to different pages of same source" -problem as described in Extension:Cite/Cite.php#Criticisms except the "additional template"-solution? More specifically, any plans or efforts made to have page-argument in ref-tag? Or estimates how hard it would be to implement it so that following would be the outcome:
Page text like Argument A.<ref name="xyz" page="42-43" /> Argument B. <ref name="xyz" page="5" /> and references-tag like <references> <ref name="xyz">Details of source.</ref> </references> would produce <backlink to first citation with text like: page 42-43>, <backlink to second citation with text like: page 5> Details of source. into references-list.
Or additional note-argument which would simply add possibility to give some notes in every citation.
i updated today my wiki+cite to the newest versions. If CACHE_MEMCACHED is activated cite doesnt parse the </ref> and tags. If CACHE_ACCEL is activated everything works fine.
I restarted memcached / flushed memcached / ?action=purge everything does not work. Why is cite and memcached not working together?
The download links don't work, the following error is returned:
Invalid response from remote subversion client.
I need this plugin. --188.8.131.52 18:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
The Webinterfaces aren't working at the moment.
I could get the files for the Cite-Extension using:
git clone https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/extensions/Cite.git
Hope that helps.
How do I disable rending of [1] and the reference block on some pages? The ref-Tags are within embedded templates. But on summary pages, which embedd the same templates, the footnotes are anmoying.
one, somewhat clumsy way to do it is to add to the template a parameter, say "summary", and add the refs like so: {{#if:{{{summary|}}}||<ref> blah blah blah </ref> }}
if the summaries belong to a different namespace (many times the article will be in namespace 0, and the summary in namespace "project", or 4), you could instead add them within a test for the appropriate namespace, saving you the need to use a parameter.
it's ugly, but some of the ugliness can be hidden by using (yet some more) templates.
if there's more sophisticated way around it, i can't think of one.
Just noticed the tooltip.js on the extension. can the developers explain why they chose to ignore "tipsy", which is a jquery extension that's included in the mediawiki package, and instead chose to develop their own tooltip package? this does not make sense to me, unless there is a reason to think tipsy is somehow broken, or there is some reason to believe it might not be available on all mediawiki installations. (for a gadget that use tipsy to display reference tooltips, see w:he:Mediawiki:Gadget-CiteTooltip.js)
I have a Wiki with about 200 source documents that are cited so often that I'd like to have a template for each which opens the <ref> tag, spits out the particulars to identify the book and adds the first parameter before emitting the </ref>, e.g.: {{BellFundamentals|p. 45}} where the template would contain something like
- <includeonly><ref>Bell, Richard. ''Fundamentals of Change'', London, blah blah. {{{1}}}.</ref></includeonly>
However, the {{{1}}} parameter invocation does not expand. Is this possible in any way with Cite, or would it be possible if I rolled up my sleeves and started altering its internals? I really want to avoid typing <ref> and </ref> ever again.
For now you have to use {{#tag:ref|yadda yadda{{{1}}} }}.
I was working on a fix, but its unclear if it will get accepted.
Thanks -- solved for now. I found this, too, in a belated discovery of the archives of this page.
When I put this up: [1]
- ↑ Brenner, Michael; Frisch, Shelley (April 2003). Zionism: A Brief History. Markus Wiener Publishers. p. 184
I get this as a preview: <cite_reference_link>
<cite_references_prefix><cite_references_link_one><cite_references_suffix> ????
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Also,, when I try to use the snapshot thingy, I get an error message.
How are the automatic list columns of ol.references created?
I can't find the according Javascript code :/ Cheers!
this is done by utilizing a CSS3 (or is it css2?) feature called "columns". not all wikis choose to use this feature, and those that do are doing it through their css (look for "-moz-column-width", "-moz-column-count", "-webkit-column-width" or "-webkit-column-count"). it is also somewhat important to note that not all browsers support this feature - notably IE doesn't.
Hi I have started to use the template Vorlage:Literatur from de.wikipedia.org for my own wiki (http://www.muri-gries.ch/mediawiki) in order to simplify bibliographic references in footnotes.
With my current version of mediawiki a
-Tag appears at the end of each reference:
In the source I see that these two tags are written:
instead of
. If I copy the text and correct it the resulting html-file is displaid as expected in the Firefox.
If I make a test on de.wikipedia.org using the source-text of my article, everything is ok too.
Where is my mistake?
Mediawiki: 1.19.0 (newly installed hoping it would solve my problem :-)) PHP: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 (apache2handler) MySQL: 5.1.49-3
Thank you Beda
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Love, Religion and Politics in Fifteenth Century Spain
Biographical note
Ian Macpherson is Emeritus Professor of Spanish at the University of Durham, an Honorary Research Fellow at Queen Mary and Westfield College, University of London, and a Comendador de la Orden de Isabel la Catolica.
Angus MacKay is Emeritus Professor of History at the University of Edinburgh, a Fellow of the Royal Historical Society, and a Fellow of the British Academy. Both have published extensively on the fifteenth century in Spain.
Angus MacKay is Emeritus Professor of History at the University of Edinburgh, a Fellow of the Royal Historical Society, and a Fellow of the British Academy. Both have published extensively on the fifteenth century in Spain.
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