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Memo to Seattle: You have to play by the preservation rules!
The state heritage office issues a warning on allowing high-rises in Pioneer Square, and meanwhile the tunnel is caught in a legal conundrum.
Two city efforts might run afoul of state and federal environmental and historic preservation rules.
A lawsuit over the deep-bore tunnel referendum has put the city in the awkward position of defending two apparently contradictory stances that could be problematic regarding the project's Environmental Impact Statement (EIS).
And state Historic Preservation Officer Allyson Brooks has sent a letter warning City Council member Sally Clark, chairwoman of the Committee on the Built Environment, that the scale of proposed up-zoning for Pioneer Square could potentially jeopardize the district's National Historic Register status, thus eliminating federal tax breaks and incentives for preserving the neighborhood.
In the first case, environmental attorney David Bricklin argued in a Crosscut op-ed last week that the city and state were trying to have it both ways on the tunnel project. City Attorney Pete Holmes is arguing on the one hand that the City Council has made a final policy decision to go ahead with the project, and because of that, it's not a decision eligible for the ballot. The measure is seen by tunnel proponents as an effort to kill the project.
On the other hand, the Washington State Department of Transportation (WSDOT) has not yet completed its EIS on the tunnel, which is required to comply with both the Federal and State Environmental Policy Acts (NEPA and SEPA). An EIS is supposed to give consideration to alternatives if a project has major adverse impacts on heritage and the environment. The EIS is supposed to be finished before a project gets the final go-ahead. Bricklin argued that:
The dilemma stems from the Seattle City Council's (and the state's) efforts to circumvent the requirements of the State Environmental Policy Act....That law mandates a "look before you leap" approach to decision making. State and city agencies must prepare an environmental impact statement...before making major decisions.
The laws and rules on this process are complex, but Bricklin's argument rang a bell. That's because a year ago, I covered a lawsuit in federal court over the proposed demolition of the Federal Reserve Bank Building in downtown Seattle (a preview of the case here and outcome here). A citizen's group objected to plans to demolish the bank, which has a fascinating history.
There were many aspects to the case, but arguments that the bank had not adhered to federal law won the day. In his ruling, Federal Judge Robert Lasnik said that the Federal Reserve Bank could not sell a building first, then do an EIS afterwards, which it had done. That's because the EIS had to legitimately look at alternatives to demolition. If the building was already sold to a developer, for example, the bank could not consider an alternative that would keep it standing, such as transferring it to another federal agency that might want to occupy it.
EISs are supposed to take place before "the die [is] otherwise cast." Based on legal precedents, the Federal Reserve was found to be in violation of NEPA, the sale was nullified, and the bank was sent back to square one in the EIS process.
I contacted the Seattle land-use attorney who won the case for The Committee for the Preservation of the Seattle Federal Reserve Bank Building, Peter Eglick, and asked his opinion of Bricklin's arguments. He agreed that the city was stuck making a conflicting argument. "Somehow," he writes, "the City is irrevocably 'pregnant' with the tunnel for purposes of the referendum, but conception has not yet taken place for purposes of SEPA."
Without passing any judgments on the legality of the referendum case, the conflict over the EIS suggests there could be more litigation ahead. The mayor's office says that WSDOT is more than a month late in providing it with a final EIS.
Meanwhile, the City Council is considering significant changes to zoning and height restrictions in South Downtown, including Pioneer Square. Allowing more height there, especially to bring in more upscale residents, has a lot of support. Former Mayor Charles Royer wrote positively about the concept here on Crosscut.
But others are deeply concerned about the scale of some of the proposed changes. Former Seattle City Councilmember Peter Steinbrueck says that the Council should avoid "'feel good' legislation that raises false hope for economic revitalization through densification." He argues that changes in the Square need to be properly scaled and done sensitively.
Steinbrueck's father, architect Victor Steinbrueck, famous for activism that saved the Pike Place Market, did the earliest city survey of the future historic district in the 1950s and later said that the successful battle to save the Square was essential to later being able to keep the bulldozers away from the Market. At a presentation on the history of Seattle's architecture at the Seattle Public Library recently, University of Washington professor Jeffrey Karl Ochsner said that the Square was preserved in part due to the fact that Seattle's downtown moved north instead of redeveloping on top of the Square at the south end. That left a very rare intact 19th-century district that was later protected. Peter Steinbrueck points out that its scale is inherently a part of what makes it worth saving, and high-rising it with buildings two or three times historic heights would be "ruinous."
He's not the only one who is concerned. On April 5, Allyson Brooks, the head of the State Department of Archaeology and Historic Preservation, sent a letter to Councilwoman Sally Clark expressing concern about some of the proposed zoning and development standards for South Downtown, specifically Pioneer Square and Chinatown, both of which are on the National Register of Historic Places. While the state doesn't regulate the historic districts, it does review whether they continue to qualify for listing on the National Register. That status allows property owners to qualify for federal tax credits and other benefits that aid in preservation and economic development. If the state believes the integrity of the district has been compromised, National Register status can be revoked.
Brooks wrote Clark that "we are concerned about the affect of significantly increased height limits on Pioneer Square's historic character and the long-term viability of the neighborhood as a National Register District." She went on:
To be clear, our agency absolutely supports efforts by the City and all interested parties to sustain and strengthen the district. We also appreciate and strongly support the City's vision of South Downtown as a vibrant, 24-hour community. Overall, our perspective on the most recent proposal is based on our concern that in working to revitalize the neighborhood, the long-term and cumulative impacts may serve to dilute the historic qualities and integrity of Pioneer Square. This will weaken the ability of private investment to rehabilitate buildings as there would no longer be access to federal or state tax incentive programs.
Specific concerns included allowing rooftop additions, changes that would give owners of older buildings incentives to tear them down instead of rehabilitate them, and new 130-foot heights that "will bring about a definite change in the scale and feeling of the streetscapes and spaces...," all of which could endanger the district's historic status. Neighborhood look and feel are very important. Brooks says that she has since had a good meeting with Clark and Councilman Tim Burgess on the subject. The next meeting of the Built Environment Committee is today (Apr. 13) at 9:30 am.
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Posted Wed, Apr 13, 2:52 a.m.
Brooks wrote Clark that "we are concerned about the affect of significantly increased height limits on Pioneer Square's historic character and the long-term viability of the neighborhood as a National Register District."
Ouch. Did she really say "affect"?
Posted Wed, Apr 13, 7:38 a.m.
So change the "rules". Many of them have been snuck into place by extremists.
Posted Wed, Apr 13, 7:48 a.m.
One way the City Council might be able to skate around the SEPA rules is to claim that the Council had made the "policy decision" but had also delegated responsibility to SDOT for SEPA compliance.
The only problem with that approach is that the Mayor's appointee (Peter Hahn) would be the responsible SEPA official and would have to pass on the adequacy of the EIS and its impacts. That's probably not an argument the Council would want to make.
It will be interesting to see how Mr. Holmes gets out of this one.
Posted Wed, Apr 13, 7:57 a.m.
Oh, yeah! Mr. Holmes! The perfect person for changing - or finding ways around - rules and laws. If he can tweak standard sentencing guidelines to help convicted illegal immigrants avoid the attention of immigration officials, he - surely - can help Party-blessed projects avoid SEPA, et al.
Posted Wed, Apr 13, 11:56 a.m.
I write to speak to suppporting increased height in Pioneer Square - I live and work in the district - and chose to do so because I am passionate about historic character. I respect Dr. Brooks and the WA Trust for Historic Preservation that having incentives for historic preservation is critical-and the proposed DPD plan has that.
I arrives at a different conclusion than either Dr. Brooks or the WA Trust - and as someone who as honored to serve on the City of Seattle's Landmarks board and the as a trustee of the WA Trust - I believe that not increasing heights will mean there will less reason for property owners to invest in their buildings. Increased heights in empty blocks will allow for economic return - and the stair stepping nature of the heights still protects the square and the smaller buldings in the square.
There are bad property owners now who are not investing in their buildings - and these buildings are deteriorating, we know that without an economic incentive they will continue to do so.
We also have difficulty building in the Square becuase of the water table and the soils - so it is hard to have private developers chose to infill in Pioneer Square.
I support the presrvation rules that existing and new buildings have to meet to protect the district.
I unfortunately believe that many in Seattle say they care about Pioneer Square but they don't choose to shop, work, or live here. They want it protected but don't want to come here. I am sad that those of us who do live and work here are limited in our ability to help shape our neighborhood.
Posted Wed, Apr 13, 12:51 p.m.
@fen I don't think the issue is being against any height increases, the question is how high can buildings go relative to existing historic buildings before the historic integrity of the district is affected? Once the district loses its integrity of setting, feeling and association there is the real risk of losing listing on the National Register of Historic Places. Height increases relative to the adjacent buildings meet the Secretary of Interior's Standards for the Treatment of Historic Properties, but heights that dwarf the historic buildings impact the character and setting of the district. We recognize the decision is ultimately the Council's. I think Berger's description of our letter being a warning letter is a bit extreme. It was meant to be reminder to the Council that being on the National Register, and staying on the Register, requires maintenance of historic character. But ultimately we recognize that the determination of economics versus maintaining National Register listing is ultimately Seattle's choice.
Posted Wed, Apr 13, 2:47 p.m.
To clarify, the Washington Trust for Historic Preservation supports increasing building heights in Pioneer Square. The question at hand is how high should the increases go? Last year DPD proposed increasing base heights in Pioneer Square to 100', with additional height (as high as 150' in one area of the historic district) available through incentive zoning. DPD's proposed heights constitute a height increase throughout Pioneer Square, in some areas nearly doubling the heights presently allowed.
Increased heights serve as a tool to encourage density. Recognizing this, the Washington Trust supports DPD's proposal. Currently, however, the council is considering height increases that go above and beyond DPD's proposal. It is the additional height we are concerned with. Many of the buildings in Pioneer Square are three, four and five story buildings. How will the introduction of newly constructed 140' buildings next to existing 40' historic structures impact the character of Pioneer Square?
When the city council began to analyze potential changes to South Downtown, one of the guiding principles was the retention and preservation of historic character. If building heights in Pioneer Square increase above those included in DPD's proposal, we run the risk of losing historic status for the Square along with incentive programs to rehabilitate buildings that accompany designation as a historic district - an unintended outcome no one wants.
The balancing act is trying to identify a reasonable increase to building heights that will encourage the development of workforce and market rate housing without jeopardizing the status of Pioneer Square as a nationally acclaimed historic district. The Washington Trust believes the height increases provided in DPD's proposal will achieve this goal.
Posted Wed, Apr 13, 4:40 p.m.
After the bored tunnel is built, every historic building located above and nearby will deteriorate beyond repair. Like old streetcar rails will solidly work their way to the surface, the bored tunnel will shift soils above it and below old and new building foundations until they collapse. Seattle's developers expect this to happen. They care more about new development profits than historic structures. In their minds, it's somehow suggested in the US Constitution that only "property owners" have rights.
Posted Wed, Apr 13, 5:19 p.m.
It sounds like what the Council could do is to request DPD, the neighborhood businesses and residents, the WA Trust and the WA Dept of Archaeology and Historic Preservation to work with one another to find a better solution. I am very sorry that the debate has turned into preservation vs development - that means everyone looses - the Square, the City, historic preservation. It should be preservation, revitalization and development instead.
Posted Wed, Apr 13, 6:04 p.m.
It puzzles me that knowledgeable observers think raising height limits will help "revitalize" Pioneer Square. Let's say it happens, your property that was zoned for a five story building is now zoned for a ten story building. That's great, you can sell the property for considerably more money or develop it yourself into a larger building that produces more income. I would assume that would apply whether your property has a building on it or not. But it increases the temptation to let your (old, obsolete) building deteriorate, so that you can demolish it and build something new. Note that the windfall of added value occurs only once, mainly to present owners of property in PS. After the height limit is raised everyone pays the new, higher price.
There are areas in Seattle where lower (4-5 story) commercial buildings seem to pencil out, for example, on Roosevelt Way from 40th St to about 50th. Why do they work economically? probably because the land price is based on the lower height limit and is proportionately low. If the height limit were increased the price of the land would go up. So if this a reasonable comparison (I am no expert) raising height limits in PS will do little good for the area, just reward present day owners (they may deserve rewards) but maybe also put a nearer sunset date on Pioneer Square as an artifact.
Posted Wed, Apr 13, 7:54 p.m.
In the last fifteen years the Pioneer Square District has seen considerable new investment. Buildings that ten to fifteen years ago were in deteriorating condition have been restored on the exteriors and rehabilitated on the interiors; examples include the Terry-Denny Building, the Oriental Building/Corona Hotel, the Washington Shoe Building, and the Collins Building. The Tashiro-Kaplan Building was renovated and expanded upward. The Cadillac Hotel is now the site of the Seattle unit of the Klondike Gold Rush National Historic Park. There is a new County office building on Jackson. Other proposed or anticipated changes--development of the North Lot with housing and removal of the Viaduct--will likely serve as catalysts for more investment.
As I understand the sequence of events, Seattle's Department of Planning and Development developed a proposal for increased heights in the south downtown area, including Pioneer Square. Late in the process some developers asked for considerably more height. I believe the questions Allyson Brooks is raising have to do primarily with the excessive height requested by developers, not the more limited height increases in the initial DPD analysis and proposal.
The Pioneer Square District represents the shared heritage of all citizens of Seattle. It is one of the best preserved collections of 19th century commercial buildings in the United States. Once lost to development, it would be gone forever.
Posted Thu, Apr 14, 9:06 a.m.
Wilbur, of course the two areas are not analogous, that wasn't my point. By the way I hope you are not saying that people NOT arriving by car requires taller buildings. The specifics of the PS district certainly demand careful investment and design but I do not see how taller buildings help in meeting that challenge. Other than, of course, that the taller buildings make redevelopment more appealing as an investment and I do not see that as a benefit to the historic district. In fact, the opposite.
Posted Thu, Apr 14, 11:40 a.m.
Awhile back, the P-I posted their collection of historic Alaskan Way photos. Before and After the seawall, there were many rail lines in various arrangements and more than one roadway. These photos should be studied for historical narrative.
After the seawall, Alaskan Way's basic arrangement (from west to east) was 4-lanes separated by a median of 2 rail lines, then a row of tight perpendicular parking, then a 2-lane frontage road embedded with 1 or 2 rail lines.
I bring this up because IMO the current design for the new Alaskan Way boulevard is wholly inadequate for managing traffic and not even close to historic. The 2-lane frontage road (Railroad Way) is necessary to separate thru-traffic from motorists trying to park. This concern applies to all AWV replacement options including the DBT and the surface boulevard options. SDOT is not doing its job.
Pioneer District's main problems are its mismanaged traffic, its lack of convenient transit service, and its delapidated and inadequate pedestrian infrastructure. Any proposed development must first address these concerns followed with modest infill. High density development will worsen traffic.
Posted Sat, Apr 16, 7:35 a.m.
These questions remain: What is the threshold that compromises historic integrity? Who decides that the tax credits are not longer available?
Pioneer Square already has endured many modern intrusions and lost original characteristics, yet the tax incentives remain. My perception is that there is no absolute and clear line to cross, which is reinforced by the above opinions that the integrity of setting, feeling and so on "may" be compromised. Like most historic preservation issues, political will may be the determining factor.
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Gorgons were terrifying monsters that were turned into snake women by the goddess Athena after Medusa had an affair with Poseidon in one of her sacred temples.
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Contrary to popular belief, only Medusa could turn people into stone by looking into people's eyes. They were three monstrous sea spirits whose names were Stheno, Euryale, and the only mortal among the three, Medusa. Medusa was killed by Perseus by cutting off her head. Her head was later used by Perseus to kill the sea monster, Keto. Zeus created his shield, Aegis, on oracular advise so he could win the war against the Titans. He defeated the gorgon Aex (or Aix), who was either the daughter of Helios (with a head as terrifying as her body was beautiful) or alternatively the son of Typhon and Echidna. He used the skin of a goat and fixed upon it the head of the gorgon Aex. It was said Zeus gave Aegis to his daughter Athena once the war was over.
Becoming GorgonsEdit
In the beginning Medusa was a fair maiden and a priestess of the goddess of Athena. This meant that she could not marry so she could devote all her energy to Athena. When in the temple of Athena, Posedion came down from Olympus and appeared in the temple where he took notice of Medusa. Eventually Athena caught them together in her temple and Medusa was no longer a virgin so that she was outcasted from ever becoming a priestess of Athena. Athena knowing that she could not take anger upon a god directed her wrath towards Medusa. Athena became outraged that this event had happened in her temple and cursed Medusa without warning, to forever become the first Gorgon. Medusa and her two sisters, Stheno and Euryale, were turned into the three Gorgons by Athena. The transformation was a punishment. The result was a monstrous demon with slithering serpents as hair and a gaze that could turn a man to stone.
Medusa's sisters were turned into Gorgons as well for the act of assisting their sister into the goddess' sacred temple and because they were kind enough to share their sister's fate. It is said that Medusa created statues because her sisters faded away and she was left lonely. In some myths, the Gorgons were beautiful maidens with brass wings like angels.
Percy Jackson and the OlympiansEdit
The Lightning ThiefEdit
Medusa tries to turn Percy, Annabeth, and Grover into stone upon stumbling across her lair. Grover is the first to figure out that Medusa, not "Aunty Em," is their hostess. He sees a statue that looks unusually like his Uncle Ferdinad, and recalls that his Uncle Ferdinand was turned to stone by the monster Medusa.
Medusa holds a grudge against Annabeth because she is the daughter of Athena, the one responsible for Medusa's misery. However, Medusa told them that her sisters had faded and now she was alone. Eventually her head was chopped off by Percy Jackson as a reference to the original Perseus, and was used by Sally Jackson to turn her ex-husband Gabe into stone.
The Heroes of OlympusEdit
The Lost HeroEdit
When Chiron is explaining how the use of technology can be dangerous for demigods, he says that a demigod once tried to Google the Gorgons, causing them to appear. It is not mentioned if one or all of them appeared.
The Son of NeptuneEdit
Upon leaving the Wolf House, Percy Jackson was chased by Medusa's two sisters, Euryale and Stheno (who Percy originally thought was named Beano). He ran into them at a Bargain Mart, where the two were acting as store employees so they could find demigods that entered. Because he killed Medusa years ago (even though he can't remember it), the two seek revenge against him as their sister is still reforming in Tartarus. The two gorgons kept reforming after Percy had killed them numerous times, including hitting them with a cop car and smashing them with bowling balls. Stheno ignorantly tells Percy about gorgon blood, explaining that blood taken from the left side of their body would be deadly while blood from the right side could heal. They also inform him about an army heading south that will attack Camp Jupiter, but also inform him that they were brought back using the Doors of Death by their patron, Gaea. When Percy tried to call a truce by saying they couldn't kill each other (as they constantly reform and Percy's skin was like iron), they explain that he could be killed, even with the Achilles Curse, but it would simply by a matter of time before finding his Achilles heel. After escaping the two by sledding down a hill and carrying Juno to the borders of Camp Jupiter, he drowns them both in the Tiber River after they try to kill Frank, but they reform at some point afterwards and are at Camp Jupiter with Polybotes preparing to attack. Both are latter seen in aerial combat with the Eagles, deafing them. However they were both killed when the Camps reinforcements arrived, one of them being eaten by Mrs. O'Leary, although it is unknown which one.
The GorgonsEdit
Medusa is the only gorgon that has appeared in the first series, her head was severed by Percy Jackson in The Lightning Thief, with the help of Grover and Annabeth.
It was said that Medusa was the youngest Gorgon among the three, as well as the most beautiful, which is the reason Poseidon noticed her, and is also the most famous. Medusa is also the only one with the power to turn her victims into stone, being the envy of Euryale. Her parents are Keto and Phorcys. The Gray Sisters and Echidna are her other sisters besides Stheno and Euryale.
The immortal sister of Medusa. She has been known for bellowing cries. She had faded, along with the third sister but was revived by Gaea.
It was said that Euryale was the middle among the her sisters. In The Son of Neptune, it is revealed that like Medea, Midas and Lycaon, Stheno, and she is released from the Doors of Death and could reform within two hours. She is the smarter of the two.
The immortal sister of Medusa. She is remembered as the most vicious of the Gorgon sisters. She had faded with Euryale but was revived by Gaea. Stheno was said to be the eldest of her sisters.
Euryale and she are released from the Doors of Death. She is more naïve as she blurts out gorgon facts to Percy and seems to have acquired a love for her cover-up job at the Bargain Mart. She appears in The Son of Neptune.
- They have living, venomous snakes for hair.
- Blood from their right side can cure anything, but the blood from their left side is deadly.
- Medusa possesses a gaze so terrible, it can turn anyone to stone. It only works if they look directly into her eyes.
- They have the ability to persuade people to open their eyes with a soothing voice, though only Medusa has been shown to do this.
The Gorgons are not listed to have any other power, but in some myths they are said to have unbreakable bronze and silver wings, teeth of gold, and Euryale had death-bellowing screams.
Aegis is a bronze shield that Athena gave to Zeus that has an imprinting of Medusa, one of the Gorgons, on it. Thalia Grace has a shield modeled after it which usually causes enemies to be paralyzed or run away in terror.
- All three of the Gorgons appear in the The Lightning Thief (video game), but Stheno and Euryale are stuck in the Underworld.
- All three of the Gorgons are currently in Tartarus.
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Enemy Monsters: | Agrius and Oreius | Arachne | Basilisk | Charybdis and Scylla | Chimera | Chrysaor | Clazmonian Sow | Colchis Bull | Echidna | Euryale | Geryon | Joe Bob | Kampê | Manticore | Medusa | Minotaur | Nemean Lion | Polyphemus | Sphinx | Stheno | Typhon | |
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Come on a visit of a great pair of restaurants in Westborough.. Khatta Mitha and Ming III.
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Interesting, we always like to try new places, and the video is a good inside look. Thanks for the follow up, Gary.
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Thanks, Karen. I've been there a number of times, and it's a unique place. I recently went with a bunch of folks from work who live in India. They all thought the food was fabulous and authentic, except for the jalebi (the orange dessert that looks like a pretzel.) They claim jalebi should be served hot, not room temperature. Wikipedia says either way is appropriate. It's all good!


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Unfortunately there is some credibility to the implication of this cartoon. We have a hard line group of structurally unemployed that have been out of work for over a year and many have given up looking. There are increasing numbers trying to collect S.S. disability, welfare and whatever kind of "aid" they can. Blame whoever you want but the congressional and executive branches of our government are presiding over the longest, slowest and weakest recovery from a recession since W.W. 2.
I was studying Bloombergs business website comparing charts for industrial production, manufacturing, and business inventory changes. It is sideways for the last year. Consumer credit numbers, consumer sentiment and retail sales show the same sideways trend with a slight upward bend, very slight. The Federal Reserve is pumping billions of dollars into the economy buying our own treasury bonds, inflating the currency markets in hopes of stimulating borrowing and growth. Wall St. has profited greatly from all the cheap money but very few others.
Business leaders say until ObamaCare is implemented and financial regulations are better defined they aren't spending money to buy capital equipment or expand unless it is out of necessity. Uncertainty is still the order of the day. -
Even Barry's Jobs Czar is out of work.
Another chart you might want to look at is a chart of the depression. It's somewhat similar to what you describe at Bloombergs. That chart also shows that in 1937 when they instituted tax hikes and spending cuts that we had a recession in the midst of the slow recovery of the depression. Whether history will repeat itself because of current government action is yet to be seen, but the January report showing unemployment up and the GDP down is certainly not encouraging. Hopefully it's just a blip on the recovery.
Dream on.
I am "involuntarily retired" and just collected my first SS money 3 weeks ago. Thanks, W.
It is widely agreed that FDR prolonged the depression by putting the foot off the gas in terms of stimulus (but then was able to correct that problem with the help of one Adolf Hitler and some dude in Japan).
Concerning today: who is constantly calling for austerity, who is running on the platform of "The debt is too darn high!", who is warning that hyper-inflation is just around the corner? The Right. Why are they doing it? To put one over the President! These guys don't give a eff if the U.S. economy collapses as long as they can blame it on the black guy…
A stunningly ignorant take on employment.
Automation, lower tax rates on unearned income and a lack of demand in the economy are the reasons we're suffering from high unemployment.
This is precisely the time when GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE CREATING GOVERNMENT JOBS.
But in America, we'll get around to that after we settle the whole gun rights thing. Must keep priorities straight. -
The National Enquirer was the one to bring John Edwards' love baby out of the closet. That lying democrat (redundant term) was outed. Thank God he didn't become VP of America.
LOL! The 'Jobs Czar' lived up to my expectation of anyone appointed by O.
? 4 years later under O you still are a 'Bush Blamer'?
Reagan turned the economy around by spending where it would bring job growth. O has spent more than all Presidents combined and Rock is unemployable.
You forgot to include the second half of the equation in your post, that being tax increases. Perhaps, back then, that recession within the depression wouldn't have occurred if they hadn't done both tax increases AND budget cuts. We either haven't learned from history or are hoping that doing the same thing now will work. Or, rather than go through the trouble of explaining history to their respective constituencies, they pander to the preconceptions of the unknowing. The Republicans gave the Democrats their tax increase and the Democrats are to reciprocate by giving the Republicans their budget cuts. Both parties can now return to their body politic and say to that body that they fought for their respective beliefs even though those parties knew they were possibly doing the wrong thing. Politics before problem solving.
Government jobs are predicated on a tax base that can afford to pay for those jobs. When you raise taxes continually, some of that base can no longer afford to function and closes its doors. No more payroll tax paid. No more sales tax collected. No more property tax collected. No more excise tax collected. So the government hires more people and raises taxes to pay for the new hires. Loop to the start of this post until the whole thing collapses of its own weight and the government can no longer make payroll because payroll is now exceeding revenue.
but but if we spend all this money right now we should not see unemployment go above 8% right? that is what we where promised. And Where are the magic green job? Obama promised magic green jobs!
More BS from the bus bunny ima!
Funny Reagan's tax cuts in his early years escalated the national debt rate, his tax increases and stimulus programs slowed that debt clock but when he left office the national debt had escalated by 188.6%.
This trend was created by the implementation of Reagan's version of supply side economics aka voodoo economics which every repubby president since has pushed policies for have also left office and the taxpayer with higher debt.
The only administration that reversed the debt trend was Clinton and it took 7 years of policy changes to slow not stop the trend.
The policy's of the cheney /Bush administration started with a debt rate of 5.7 Trillion and upon leaving office the CBO projected debt for 2009 was 12.7 Trillion based on the administrations policies and failure to include certain expenses relating to their war and tax policies which weren't budgeted.
So bus bunny #? Your as usual full of faux noise BS, obviously your sucking the tailpipe of the black hole bus again, just cant get enough BS can you!
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Tom Vlach, whose duties include running the county's solid waste department, told commissioners at their meeting that he suspected an electrical problem ignited the blaze. He said the location where the fire burned in the truck led him to question whether combustible trash could have sparked it.
Topeka Fire Department Shift Commander Michael Thompson told The Capital-Journal on Friday that the fire was reported at 7:41 a.m. that day in the 1200 block of S.E. Lawrence.
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Vlach told commissioners the driver had just looked into his rear-view mirror and saw what appeared to be "a large spark shoot across the street."
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PHILADELPHIA - Kimmo Timonen had plenty of suggestions about, to and around the Flyers after a loss Saturday to the New York Rangers. His postgame words were easily transcribed. The deeper meaning was up for interpretation.
This is one: With Chris Pronger out for the season with concussion issues, Timonen would be an appropriate replacement captain.
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"I trust Kimmo's judgment," said the Flyers' coach Monday, while stressing that he did not personally heard Timonen's critique. "And when you are playing a team that you haven't beaten and are vying for first place overall in the conference and lose a game that would help propel you to first place, then frustration sets in.
"Kimmo is an experienced player. So I have no problem with him putting his voice out there as one of the leaders of the team. Just catching what he said, I have no problem with that. There are things we can do better."
Timonen, 36 and a former captain of the Nashville Predators, challenged the Flyers to play harder, smarter and longer into the game after a 5-2 loss to New York. Saying he was a "little disappointed with the effort," he also made it clear that Pronger was not coming back.
He may wear an "A" on his sweater, not a "C." The immediate impact of the veteran defenseman's rant, though, was that a night later the Flyers appeared more lively, even if they were ultimately unsuccessful in a 4-3 loss to the Detroit Red Wings.
Just the same, Laviolette is not ready to change captains.
"It has not come up," the head coach said. "Right now, Chris Pronger is our captain and he is injured. But we have experienced leadership in the room in Kimmo, Danny Briere, Scott Hartnell, Claude Giroux, Jaromir Jagr. There is lots of leadership. We are coming off a weekend where things didn't go our way, and lots of conversation can come up. But I have a lot of confidence with the leadership in the room."
To a point, Laviolette echoed Timonen after the Rangers game, criticizing the Flyers' for their play in the third period. In Detroit, he detected improvement. Continued...
"I told you after the Rangers game that when they scored that one goal in the third period, we really faded, and that was disappointing for me," Laviolette said. "I thought we came back and responded in the next game. We have to continue to work on things. That is what we are here for --- to teach. We have a lot of work to do to get better on the ice. There was no lack of effort in Detroit, but we made some mistakes. So we will go over some things and we plan to get back on track."
The Flyers were off Monday, but Laviolette is planning meaningful practices Tuesday and Wednesday before a Thursday visit from the Buffalo Sabres. Expect an emphasis on specialty teams.
In their weekend losses to the Rangers and Wings, the Flyers permitted five power play goals while scoring none with a manpower advantage.
"I think there are things we can do better through the neutral zone as far as our penalty-killing goes," Laviolette said. "This is a good opportunity to do some teaching over the next couple of days. Our penalty-killing has been decent all year. (Assistant coach) Craig (Berube) does a good job of teaching it. But obviously, we hit a stumbling block this weekend. And I am confident in our power play."
With Ilya Bryzgalov troubled by a flu, backup goalie Sergei Bobrovsky absorbed both weekend losses. He also absorbed criticism from NBC analyst and former Islanders coach Mike Milbury, who said between periods of the Detroit game that he would like to see the Flyers' backup goalie make some more big saves.
"Without commenting on Mike's quote, because I didn't hear it, I would say that Bob (Bobrovsky) did make some big saves," Laviolette said. "In the Rangers game, he made some huge saves. Certainly as a group, all of the individuals involved can do better with what we are doing. We are not happy with the way the game went. We can do better in front of Bob and there are things he can do better. We will work on it."
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Briere has missed time with concussion troubles. Jagr has had leg and groin issues.
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"I'm not sure about the 100 percent thing," Laviolette said. "But I am not sure that at this time of the year that anyone is at 100 percent. Something is bugging or bothering them --- they all have an ice bag or something. We are coming off a tough weekend and we have to do better as a team. Certainly, we will look to do that in the next couple of days."
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Ilya Bryzgalov was not in the Wells Fargo Center Sunday, but was the backup to Sergei Bobrovsky Monday in Detroit - suggesting, at least, that is flu is improving and that he is closer to a return.
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Sort of like 2 Batmen in the final act, taking down Bane's operations left and right, leading to the "Batman is everywhere!" comments from everyone. Finally, Bane gets smart, figures out their plan, and has his goons take one down, causing the last one to have to face him one on one.
I agree that 2 Batmen VS 1 Bane would not be a fair or suspenseful fight.
The 2 Batmen thing could also culminate in an ending of the movie where not even the audience knows who Batman really is.
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I, frankly, don't want to read through the other 1500+ comments. I'd like to ask this. Are the producers obviously just not showing Bane on Venom, to keep it a surprise for those who don't know his origins/suspense? I mean, they wouldn't take the Venom from Bane, would they? O.o
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I don't think Venom is the gist of Bane. That's what other takes on him think, with the big tank on his back and all that (I'm looking at you, Arkham Asylum), but originally in Knightfall he was meant to be someone who's stronger than Batman, but just as smart. He was there to break the bat and he wouldn't stop until he had done so.
Venom is just a tool he used to get to achieve those goals, but the true meaning of Bane's existence is what Nolan seems to have captured perfectly.
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That last trailer was f**** intense, I cannot wait for this movie. Bane is going to kick ***. This, I think, will be movie of the year.
And we're all sure it's a trilogy? What if Bane breaks Batman's back (like in Knightfall) and they just don't release movies for a few years, and who knows, he'll be back after that, or what?
(Please bear with me guys, I like the movies a lot, but I'm not an �ber fan, I haven't followed all the articles, etc about it.)
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I apologize if this has already been mentioned on this thread or on any other thread on these forums, but I had a thought. In Batman Begins, Ra's al Ghul mentions how he had a wife, but he lost her. With Bane in TDKR, many people have pointed out how Bane is linked to the League of Shadows. Now, this is my theory. What if Bane is the murderer of Ra's wife. I can see a scenario already playing out as to how this would work. Ra's could have trained Bane for a time, only for Bane to betray him to prove to Ra's that he is willing to kill no matter what the circumstance. This could mean that the League is hunting Bane, and in the end, Batman actually has to lead the them in the final fight for Gotham.
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"I have loved tri-tip (bottom sirloin) ever since my father-in-law in Santa Barbara introduced me to it. Tri-tip is a cut of meat that first became popular in Santa Maria, on the central coast of California. I love the taste of the original Santa Maria rub, but this is even better." - by CHIEFWMS
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Original recipe yields 10 servings
- Mix together the salt, garlic salt, celery salt, black pepper, onion powder, paprika, dill, sage, and rosemary in a bowl. Store in an airtight container at room temperature until ready to use.
- Use a damp towel to lightly moisten the roast with water, then pat with the prepared rub. Refrigerate for a minimum of 2 hours, up to overnight, for the flavors to fully come together.
- Preheat an outdoor grill for high heat and lightly oil grate.
- Place the roast onto the preheated grill and quickly cook until brown on all sides to sear the meat, then remove. Reset the grill for medium-low indirect heat (if using charcoal, move coals to the outside edges of the grill pit).
- Return the roast to the grill, and cook, turning occasionally, until the desired degree of doneness has been reached, about 1 1/2 hours for medium-well. Remove from the grill and cover with aluminum foil. Allow to rest for 10 minutes before carving across the grain in thin slices to serve.
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- 214 cal
- 11%
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- 14%
- Carbs
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- < 1%
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Rate This Recipe"If you've never cooked a tri-tip roast, it's a must. It's the easiest, fastest, and tastiest roast that most people aren't aware of. This is an old family tried and true recipe that my sister discove..." See morered thru a friend many years ago. In my family we bake it in the oven, so good for people who don't like to grill. Great for serving to big parties cuz people just go crazy for it and will ask for the recipe. Using a dry rub and add a 1/4 cup of brown sugar, marinate overnite. The brown sugar balances out the saltiness of the rub. Make sure the meat is room temperature, and with the fat side up, bake in a 450 oven for 25 minutes. Then with the meat still in the oven, turn oven down to 350 and cook another 25 minutes for medium rare. If you want medium, leave in another 5 minutes. Do not cover with foil while baking, and make sure when it's done to leave it on the counter for 15 minutes to rest before slicing thin. If you don't let it rest, all the juice runs out and looks messy and dries out the meat. Served best with a salad and baked potato. Enjoy! This will be the most tastiest and easiest beef you've ever eaten. Most beef roasts take hours to bake, perfect for an after work dinner that you throw in the oven with baked potatoes and leave it alone. Always comes out perfect."
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"I used this on a tri tip roast but the weather wasn't so great so instead of grilling, I seared in olive oil and then roasted at 325 in the oven till done (about 1hr.15min.). I reserved a bit of the ..." See moreseasoning to sprinkle on to the roast after searing. It was really good. I will use again in the summer when we are grilling more."
"THE BEST!!! I wish I could give this 10 stars, it was that good! I did leave the rub on for almost 24 hours and the only thing I changed was to use granulated garlic instead of garlic salt, which work..." See moreed out fine because this is a salty rub. We even accidentally cooked this a bit too long and it was still superb. I ran to the store to buy another tri-tip while they were still on sale so that I could make this again--soon. I will never cook a tri-tip any other way, now. Awesome!"
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A senator from Iowa says he is Christian, but not born-again. That is silly. It is as if a person says he is communist but does not honor the teaching of Lenin, or someone who says he is Muslim and does not honor the words of Mohammad. Jesus said to Nicodemus, a religious leader of the Jews, "Ye MUST be born-again." It is not an option for those who want to go to heaven, for we must be born-again/converted/saved. It is not only famous saints such as Augustine, Calvin, and Mother Teresa who must pass from the power of darkness to the kingdom of light, but each one of us, in order to have fellowship with the God of the universe. It is no wonder church seems so boring and useless, when one goes without supernatural conversion, for the gr.eat and precious promises of the peace of God and his joy are only for those who have obeyed the command of Jesus to "Follow me."
If you are offended by the right wing born-again folks, then try reading Sojourner magazine and Jim Wallis of the left wing born-again folks! Whether we are inclined to support big business or unions, conspicuous consumption or a simple lifestyle, we must still be born-again in order to be Christian. Are we better people then? No, we are not better at all, and are often worse than those who are not Christian. The only difference between a Christian and a person who. Is not a Christian is that the Christian is supernaturally born-again. Therefore we have the Holy Spirit, or God with us, in addition to our normal human nature. At any time we can regress/backslide into anti Biblical behavior when we choose that. Hopefully we then choose to repent and to be a consistant follower of Jesus Christ. Do we really and sincerely want to love and to obey and to honor Jesus Christ as God? If so, that is a good sign that we have been born-again. If we do not, then that is a good sign we have not become Christian at all!


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These bars are always a hit at potlucks here in the small rural farming community where my husband and I live. I also like to provide them for coffee hour after church. They're so moist and delicious that wherever I take them, they don't last long. Karen Dryak, Niobrara, Nebraska
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Lighter version: Makeover Frosted Banana Bars
Nutritional Facts 1 bar equals 202 calories, 8 g fat (5 g saturated fat), 38 mg cholesterol, 100 mg sodium, 32 g carbohydrate, trace fiber, 2 g protein. Diabetic Exchanges: 2 starch, 1-1/2 fat.
Originally published as Frosted Banana Bars in Taste of Home April/May 1994, p29
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Reviewed on Feb. 20, 2012 by MissKarla
Have been using this recipe for years. I cut back the sugar to 1 1/2 cups without affecting the outcome, no need for extra moisture. This is always a hit at potlucks.
Reviewed on Jan. 27, 2012 by Worshipguy
Tasted great! I used a 9x13 pan due to the small size of my oven so the sweet icing was a little overpowering, but still good.
Reviewed on Jan. 12, 2012 by shortytalk
this is so easy to make..and taste great..i like it with out the frosting on it to..
Reviewed on Dec. 16, 2011 by Raygina
This makes a bigger batch than I thought. Not too sweet and great banana flavor.
Reviewed on Nov. 17, 2011 by hiweb
I have been using this recipe since it came out in the magazine many, many years ago. I've taken it to church for the "after church social hour", and it quickly disappears. My husband loves it.
Reviewed on Oct. 16, 2011 by southernbellenct
Best Banana Bars Period. I dare you to eat just one!
Reviewed on Jul. 26, 2011 by shortytalk
i make this alot...taste great..every one loves it..so easy to make
Reviewed on Jul. 15, 2011 by jbw0808
I made these banana bars a few months ago, and they were fantastic. I actually made banana bars a long time ago, but I lost the recipe, and so I was happy to find this one, because they tasted like the ones I used to make. I'm glad my brother was in town to help eat them up!
Reviewed on May. 20, 2011 by momme4x
I almost made this recipe -- but when I saw "2 cups of sugar" stopped, because that didn't seem right. Sure enough, I went digging for my old paper copy from the magazine - and it was totally different! 1-1/2 cups sugar, plus 1 cup sour cream! I'm sticking with the tried & true.
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Welcome to Edo, a town where the finer things in life are strictly forbidden. You can't have fun, you can't earn money, and you certainly can't strap a princess to a rocket and blast her into space. The magistrate may have declared it open season on fireworks, but that won't stop Seikichi. Making things explode is his calling, and nothing can keep him from going higher and brighter than ever before. Besides, with girl-crazy aliens chugging blood all over town, the time is right for taking back liberties. If the little man with the big rocket can play nice with the tannukis long enough to send his lady to the moon, the city of Edo just might become bearable again.
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