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North Queensland Cowboys back-rower Glen Hall brands Kieran Foran a liar after semi-final loss
- September 15, 2012
North Queensland back-rower Glenn Hall branded Kieran Foran a liar after the young Manly five-eighth claimed he didn't touch the ball in Friday night's contentious match-sealing try to Michael Oldfield.
The winger finished off a scrappy passage of play in which Foran appeared to clearly knock the ball forward from a Daly Cherry-Evans bomb, only for the try to be awarded benefit of the doubt.
That followed another contentious video referee-awarded try to Manly's Jorge Taufua, which had a hint of double movement.
In the fallout from an explosive semi-final, Kieran Foran said "I didn't feel a touch", while Cowboys coach Neil Henry called the officialdom "incompetent". Where to now for rugby league as it searches to fix the video referee nightmare?
Those decisions led to Cowboys skipper Johnathan Thurston telling referee Shayne Hayne that his team had been robbed twice - but Foran maintained he never made contact with the Steeden.
"But if he's said that, he's a fibber," Hall, who won a premiership with Manly in 2008 and played alongside Foran in his debut season the following year, said.
"He's a great kid. He's competitive, he tries hard. But he's an honest to God fibber there."
Furious Cowboys players could scarcely believe their season ended in the 22-12 defeat at Allianz Stadium.
There was a genuine belief amongst the players that they could not only topple the Sea Eagles but could go all the way to the big dance - and perhaps even come up with the premiership that eluded them in 2005.
"We were prepared for another two weeks after this that's for sure," Hall said.
"We had a lot more football in us. That's the most disappointing thing.
"It's heartbreaking for it to come down to those decisions. We got beaten by incompetent referees."
Added centre Brent Tate: "You can handle losing, but it's a really bitter pill to swallow that one, I can tell you.
"I don't even want to comment (on the benefit of the doubt tries) on it, because I've got nothing nice to say and I don't want to get the club in trouble."
As video referee pair Steve Clark and Paul Simpkins watched replay after replay, the same thought entered the mind of every Cowboy on the field.
"I started to think 'they're going to bloody give this a try'," said fuming second-rower Gavin Cooper.
"I don't even know what to say. Between three refs they got it wrong again.
"If Manly are honest with themselves, they'll know they got some very lucky calls.
"And at the end of the day it cost us our year."
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Gavin of Bankstown says September 15, 2012 at 10:52 AM
Whether Foran touched the ball or not, without that try manly still win 16-12. Did people not hear the ref say that Taufua had momentum? It can't be a double movement if he had momentum.
BigS of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Manly had it over you anyway Cowboys. Funny how the Cowboys player didn't own up to to having his hands in the ruck which led to a Cowboys try with their next set of 6. Cowboys didn't deserve to win.
Barnsie of Noosa Heads says September 15, 2012 at 10:56 AM
As usual Manly got the favored calls, ask Tate why he didnt pass the ball to Graham?????that could have been 4 points to catch instead of 10...Suppose Bucket Boy wont be whinging this week, that will be a change.
NQ are SOOKS of Dee Why says September 15, 2012 at 10:59 AM
Gee what a team of collective SOOKS! They reckon Manly are bad, if the shoe was on the other foot everyone would be bagging Manly and laughing their backsides off! Hey fellas, you still couldn't get past the Manly wall to score enough tries - ever thought about that?! OBVIOUSLY NOT!
no honesty in qld says September 15, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Kieran Foran is a qlder all qld players are dishonest
Peter of Launceston says September 15, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Foran's story has morphed overnight from I didn't touch it to I didn't feel it touch.
Bulldog Benny of Epping says September 15, 2012 at 11:02 AM
The only way the ball can go behind thurston is if Foran touches it, Foran is a liar and probably said it as Manly have to play next week and don't want to get offisde with the refs.... the cowboys were robbed !
Simsey of Sunshine Coast says September 15, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Instead of benefit of the doubt going to the attacker, why not have benefit of the doubt for the defender! They have this around the wrong way. In cricket, if there is a dubious call that could go either way, even with eagle eye, it goes to the benefit of the batter, not the bowler. You need to prove that you got the batter out, just like you need to prove you got the ball down for a "solid" try. If you cannot prove with confidence that it is a try, disallow it immediately as the benefit should go with the defender! It does not make sense having the benefit go to the attacker.
GCE of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Glen, I thought you were a great player for Manly when you played here and While I agree that the try last night should not have been awared, the cowboys second try only happened after another stuff up with the ball being reefed out by the cowboys. Also if its about honesty are you also saying that the dive you took when Trex had a try disallowed for a so called obstruction in the game in Townsville 6 weeks ago was also honest? The bottom line is the cows had their chances last night and they were not good enough!! even Thurston admitted that.
Cornelis janszoon of Cairns says September 15, 2012 at 11:05 AMDid you want to make a comment? Use our form below
Bring in English referees, replace all the clowns at present with Poms. 100% they do a better job!!
john kingal of port moresby says September 15, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Those referees and their side kicks are baised to Qld teams. Both tries were 100% NO tries
ruce Sprague of Turrammurra says September 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM
What about the refs comment on the grounding by Manly in their own goal - "It wasn't his intention" Will this apply to knockons and head high tackles in the future! The ref is there to apply the rules not interpret players intentions. This was a real turning point. TV replays clearly show Foran knocking on - incompetence or referee bias is killing the game
Lou of Canberra says September 15, 2012 at 11:19 AM
Get over it,,,,,, NSW were robbed, everyone gets robbed!!! The cows weren't gonna beat Manly last night!!!! JT just like origin one you were no where I think Glenn's got ya measure, anyways were in your not, who knows itl probably be Manly to cop the wrath of these refs!!! the refs have been poor all year , all teams have been affected!!! Dont get cranky with the players, after all there just playing to the whistle. MAAAAAAAAAANLYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Craig of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 11:23 AM
If the Cowboys were capable of some basic mathematics, and had seen the replay of the strip by Ashley Graham that led to a Cowboys try then they'd realise how silly their behaviour is. BOTH teams had bad calls go against them that led to tries last night, take away those tries and Manly still win the game.
Karma says September 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM
Bet your life that Storm will beat Manly by a try that only the video ref's think is a try. Watch this space!
paul of kalbar says September 15, 2012 at 11:25 AM
there was enough doubt in the oldfield try to suggest it should have been NO TRY.Benefit of the doubt should be given to the cowboys,theres to much at stake to lose to that try, was a disgraceful descision.the other manly try was a double movement at best,no control over the ball, we give a try for anything these days.
Dave of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 11:29 AM
What about the fact the better team on the night won. For the Cowboys players to say they were robbed is also a LIE. They got outplayed. By the way, to the guy that said Foran is a Queenslander, he is actually a kiwi.
BR of Perth says September 15, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Selective memories being applied here - Tafua clearly had the ball raked out but was ruled to have dropped it. The resulting play lead to the Cowboys scoring and going 12 all. Even if Foran did touch it Manly were already 16-12 in front. The better team won.
Bellalicious of Dee Why says September 15, 2012 at 11:37 AM
Are you serious no honesty in qld - he's a KIWI, but your comment is true!
Brendan of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 11:38 AMDid you want to make a comment? Use our form below
@no honesty in qld - you fool, Foran is a kiwi - bravo
oropara of chermside says September 15, 2012 at 11:45 AM
Without doubt, on day the the refs got it very wrong. Momententum of the ball see's a forward motion by manly.to an oldfield try, and a grounding is a grounding regardless of a touch or tackle from an opposition. Whether or not cowboys would have won, one thing for sure is those decisions as vital as they were did turn the game and motivation as well. Get it right for the next finals refs of go hack the the classroom to b re-educated. Raiders as underdogs!.......happy finals all
Aaron of brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 11:45 AM
As a cowboys supporter they were not really firing. However the momentum shift with those bad calls cost the Cowboys the game. You could easily see them improving as the second half continued and those decisions did cost them momentum then the game.
Rippington of God's Country @ Brookvale says September 15, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Oh my god give em a box of kleenex already. Boohoooooo... We're over it cowboys. Better team won. Goodbye.
Rock'n'Roll of NSW says September 15, 2012 at 11:50 AM
Not good enough Cowboys.Dubious calls boith ways , in the end u just were not good enough. Stop whining.
Foran no liar says September 15, 2012 at 11:50 AM
Pulling out the waterworks now. Let the QQing continue.
Darryl of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 11:51 AM
That Foran call was an absolute shocker, so bad you can't help but question the motivation behind the call. Don't want to get the conspiracies going, but seriously, how can you get those calls wrong when you are the TV ref, it defies belief. Taufua accidently grounding the ball is also a total flop of a call, refs excuse that he did not mean to ground the ball shares no consistency with past calls in similar situations. But did these calls cost the cowboys the game? I don't think so - thats not to say it didn't make it much harder for them to win. But the kinda of teams that have the resilience to win competitions use these sorts of incidents as motivation to take it up another gear - cowboys let it affect them negatively. The simple fact is that the cowboys weren't there on the night, it was plain to see from the start. And its terribly sad as I love the cowboys second only to the broncos, and I really thought they were in with a serious chance this year.
Harrigan of Maroon Country says September 15, 2012 at 11:52 AM
Reminds me of the origin match years ago when Bella did the same bloody thing? Back then Harrigan got completely confused. Who's the dummy half?
Proud of Cowboys supporter of FNQ says September 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM
If the cowboys players had walked off the feild after the try which came from a Kieran knock on i wouldve stood and clapped. Ive had absolutely enough of d nrl n there bias attidute against d cowboys. As for manly, well storms will sort u's out nxt wk, but again beware, as we know whos in charge of d games n how they end, the reffs (definately disgustin showpiece).
Leaguefan of West Footscray says September 15, 2012 at 11:54 AM
The call I was laughing at was when Manly player slipped over in goal.....Thurston queried it and ref said "It was an unintentional grounding" So, if I aim to catch the ball in an attacking situation but drop it....is that therefore an unintentional knock on, play on? In the words of Phil Gould "That will do me"
Knightsforever of Newcastle says September 15, 2012 at 11:54 AMDid you want to make a comment? Use our form below
What an absolute rabble the referees were disgraceful. I am a season ticketholder of the Newcastle Knights not follow either teams, but felt extremely sorry for the Cowboys. I have not always been a Thurston fan but he conducted himself extremely well in difficult circumstances, shame the same can't be said of Hayne. I think Bill Harrigan needs to go and he can take his under performing side kicks with him. The new commission needs to address the refereeing problem asap as its a blight on our wonderful game.
carpo of rocky says September 15, 2012 at 11:55 AM
funny how the loser blames ref so that means they would of told the ref no try get over it always next year
tunes of brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 12:00 PM
agree that ref's spoil a lot of games, but cowboys were completely outplayed and manly deserved to win. cowboys had there chances and blew them. suck it up and get over it. no one likes whingers.
RaiderMick of DragonTerritory says September 15, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Benefit of the doubt should go to the defending team, if there is doubt then there should be no try awarded. This ridiculous rule should be changed, a try should be 100% a try!!
Phenom of Sunny Coast says September 15, 2012 at 12:04 PM
@ Gavin of Bankstown, momentum is only part of the decision equation. If the arm carrying the ball is grounded and the player lifts it and promotes the ball it is a double movement, as he was being turned he raised the ball so that he could get his other hand involved. I agree Ash Graham pushed the ball out and should have been penalised, but they happene very game, i think it was contentious to penalise teh cowboys when T-Rex dropped the ball when trying to play it. Those calls go each way all year but when 2 video refs watch the footage for each of those tries and they believe there is sufficient evidence that either one is a try well i cant accept that. I said it at SOO time with some terrible video ref decisions that the game is too fast for 90% of the officials. The idea of the video refs was to remove these sorts of things happening, they have increased the number of incorrect decisions get rid of the concept it was better before.
facts right of NSW says September 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM
pick you up there on the fact kieran foran isn't a qlder "no honesty in qld" hes a kiwi... have u not watched a test match lately frankly though he did touch the ball and did lie about it, cowboys may or may not have won the game but blatantly wrong decisions like that are just unacceptable and are ruining the game for so many in the RL community... how can benefit of the doubt be given in a knock-on situation, he either knocked on (which he did) or he didn't, simply!
Wake Up Manly NQLD were robbed. of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM
It was a fair dinkum double movement and a second effort after the first effort had planted the ball on the ground, then picked it up and planted it over a second time, that's not momentum, hometown Hayne being clearly wrong along with the two morons in the video box. Maybe a million viewers need their eyes checked (along with me) as it looked very clear Foran had touched the ball. If these 5 officials are in another finals game, Harrigan and Raper must be sacked immediately. The more dribble that comes out of Toovey's mouth, the more I like Mad Dog for stomping his head. I was cheering Manly on until NQLD were robbed.
Jay Jay Ess of Penrith says September 15, 2012 at 12:10 PM
I would be interested to know which team has been awarded the most "benefit of the doubt" tries this year !! One of the top couple of sides no doubt.
Toddy of Wollongong says September 15, 2012 at 12:10 PM
The REFS are a joke weather its North Qld or another team lets face there is no accountabilty with this mob. If Players from clubs perform poorly they get dropped simple. We had calls all year from Refs that have robbed teams of points. All refs are interpreting rules different eg last night JT asked when Manly player falls over in goal and grounds ball should be dropout, the answer from ref that it was accidential, i cant find that in the rule book please show me. I was watching Bulldogs play this year and Barba did the same thing but was caught in goal and ref clearly said on TV that it would not have mattered because he grounded the ball but wasnt that accidential like last night. Manly were awarded 2 trys that were not trys. Foran knocks on even blind freddy can see that. Manly winger try double movement. NRL it is tme to sack Harrigan and Raper they have added no value other than run for cover. Sack underperforming refs.
Mark of Gympie says September 15, 2012 at 12:11 PM
Ok, thatâs it. As I have considered last nightâs game I have come to realise there is no point following a joke of a competition, the NRL, anymore. Itâs just blatantly rigged. As of next year I will only follow the Q Cup and I will follow my local Sunshine Coast Team. I would now like to see all the resources from the Broncos, Cowboys, and Titans turned into the Q Cup and ultimately, all three teams should withdraw from the NSWRL. It never has been a national comp and never will be. It has only ever been a Sydney comp for Sydney teams. Letâs see how the Sydney comp goes without the Qld supporter base! Screw em!
Football Refs says September 15, 2012 at 12:11 PMDid you want to make a comment? Use our form below
The cowboys were obviously robber both tries were decisions made by incompetent referees, when did the outcome of the footy become the refs decision. Even the commentators believed that the tries shouldn't have been given, these are football players who have years of experience, But I guess that doesn't mean anything to Manly supporters who believe that their players deserved their tries maybe pull your heads out and realize that if the shoe was on the other foot you would be angry as well, but at least the cowboys players can be honest and that goes the same way for their supporters. At the end of the day it was a horrible game thanks to referee bias, and as a result of that Manly won when they may or may not of if the game was judged correctly, But who knows now.
Toby Won of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM
didnt see too many Queenslanders bitching and moaning after Ingli$ scored a try from a knock on in ORIGIN 1 which cost NSW the game, suck up Qld you bunch of muppets
Grossy of the Goldie says September 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM
In reference to the 'unintentional' grounding in goal from Taufua, the same thing happened in a Fri night game about a month or so ago that led to a try up the other end. I think it was Dragons v Rooosters?? So, at least that is a consistent call - Bill Harrigan explained then that the interpretation had changed this year for that ruling. In saying that, it's a stupid interpretation - a grounding in goal = goal line drop out. Let's get back to basics so all fans, players, coaches & especially refs understand. Try scorers must prove beyond reasonable doubt that the ball is grounded & Try scorers must FORCE the ball, none of this no separation scored with the fingernail of my pinkie crap.
Chopper says September 15, 2012 at 12:16 PM
The saddest thing for me is that when it's all over, none of us will really know for sure who the best team was in 2012. We will all have our opinions of course, but the incompetence of the referess has already done far too much damage.. The fans that have been robbed are gutted, as are the players. Those of us who's teams have been seriously dudded throughout the season (that's most of us) are left to wonder why we even bothered investing emotionally in what is is effectively a lottery!!!!. Last nights video refs have no excuses at all... They had every oportunity to get the vital calls right. They aren't under the same pressure as the poor bastards in the middle who have to decide in a split second and move on... The kids watching the game in my lounge room were making better calls than those techno-bufoons in the box last night. Certain of their decisions were completely incompetent... How did we end up here when there has been 26 ROUNDS TO FIX THIS!!! SURELY HARRIGAN AND RAPER HAVE TO GO!!!!!! We need a fresh leadership team for the refs to restore the fans confidence urgently. Sadly, being crowned premiers in 2012 will be less of an honor than in years gone by...
Andrew of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM
This is why everyone hates Manly.....listen to their supporters on here...team of grubs supported by a crowd of grubs that cannot even turn up to support them at SFS....
Boom says September 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM
Can't stand fools that say without that try Manly still win 16-12. Obviously never played a game of competitive sport in the lives. That try changes the momentum of a game and is alot harder to overcome than a 4 point deficit. Get a clue before making stupid comments. I dont care who wins this year as long as the bunnies go out in straight sets, their fans/players are even worse than the dero's on here most days making comment
Big Wave of Manly says September 15, 2012 at 12:19 PM
In every game there are bad calls itâs the way you react which defines a team. Thurston carried on like a school boy and showed no respect for the officials. It takes a real leader to take it on the chin and accept the bad decisions when they come. His team look up to him and if they see him losing control they start making mistakes, like Tate not passing to Graham with an open try line. Maybe Thurston can learn from a real captain - Jamie Lyons.
no honesty in qld says September 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM
opps i was thinking of cherry-evans but still qld players are dishonest. Ps i have been living in qld to long it has made me dumb
mois of wellington says September 15, 2012 at 12:22 PM
Thurston propelled the ball back, some of you are quite daft. When you grab at something with the motion thurston did it with his right arm it will go back most the time unless he catches it or it hits his left arm, you can see his thurstons fingers roll and behind down the ball, i know league has the dumbest supporters but come on, it's basic physics. These calls normally go against manly, the gaz try being the worst one. The tafua one was a clear try, the ball hit the line just as he flipped anyway.
MJ says September 15, 2012 at 12:26 PM
Proud of cowboys supporter, do they teach English up there? Also the cowboys did not deserve to win. You Queenslanders are the biggest conspiracy theorists on the planet. It's OK when NSW get robbed in two games but non stop whining from up north when it goes the other way.
hoggy of sydney says September 15, 2012 at 12:29 PMDid you want to make a comment? Use our form below
i seen a manly fan at the game last night he had his nth sydney jumper on what happened to the merged clubs
Jon of Australia says September 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Well said Darryl
Eamonn Riordan of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM
The benefit of the doubt rule comes from an era when we did not have the technology to get the decision right. Why should the attacking side have all the benefit when the defending side have worked just as hard to avoid a try being scored. As for grounding the ball in goal when the winger slipped over, you can bet if he fumbled the ball after that and NQ scored he would be screaming that he grounded the ball.
MJ of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Referees were absolutely hopeless.. you can forgive the on field refs to a degree.. though the unintentional grounding is about the most stupid thing I've ever heard.. but the video referees should be correct 99% of the time.. neither of Manly's second half tries were legitimate.. the first is clearly grounded short.. then a double movement (no momentum - hopeless call from the on field ref) even if you forget all of that there's no conclusive evidence of the ball even being grounded over the line.. 'benefit of the doubt'? what a load of ____! incompetent weak as ____ refereeing.. and the second 'try' was apparently the more contentious one.. I'm not even going to talk about that rubbish.. Manly didn't look like scoring a point in the second half.. game gifted to them by ____ing hopeless referees
jason of townsville says September 15, 2012 at 12:38 PM
what a lieing grub thats manly for you in a nut shell
a says September 15, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Storm will wipe the floor with this sorry mob without the help of the referees.
marcus of rocky says September 15, 2012 at 12:41 PM
As a cowboy fan I have no problem with the first try , when you look at it in normal motion he did have momentum but the second one was a shocker. I know Manly supporters will say but we won by 10 points anyway. It is a mute point because being 10 points down is vastly different to being down by 4 points. It changes the whole complex of the game.When you are 10 points up there is no pressure on you as oppose to 4 points ,also the cowboys start playing catch up foootball.The rake Graham did,that is just a incorrect run of play decision and we all know plenty of run of the play decisions went against the Cowboys.But when you have video ref decisions (which they shouldn't get wrong as opposed to run of play decisions) you can say we were ROBBED. And isn't good to hear Manly carry on about NQ supporters and players whinging ,have you not heard your coaches for the past upteem years after every loss?
troy of campbelltown says September 15, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Who cares it's not like either team could beat Melbourne in Melbourne next week anyway, I don't support Melbourne but they have the comp sown up for sure.... mute point
Tony of Auckland NZ says September 15, 2012 at 12:55 PM
What is benefit of the dealt when it comes to tries.I think its a try or no try.If there is dealt then its no try.
no brains of forums says September 15, 2012 at 12:57 PM
@no honesty in qld... You do realise the song "That's in QLD" was a joke right???
Ryan of Newy says September 15, 2012 at 1:00 PMDid you want to make a comment? Use our form below
i don't see why the commentators can't call the games from the video ref's box. at least then the fans would get an insight into what these clowns are thinking AS IT HAPPENS, not 2 or 3 days later. also, the commentators seem to have gotten more dubious calls correct than the officials this year. maybe they should give it a try for the trials next year. just sayin'.
Karma of Melbourne says September 15, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Don't worri cowboys,karma will bite them in da as s next wk when our storm kik there ass bck 2 sydney..go storm
Alex says September 15, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Why should Tate worry about getting the club in trouble? Everything is aimed at protecting the ref,s even in a situation like this. It is unbelievable. They shouldn't be dropped to reserve grade, they should be bloody fired.
paul of brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 1:03 PM
shame the cowboys go out sookin!
David Broome of Bankstown says September 15, 2012 at 1:05 PM
To Gavin of Bankstown. By the time momentum took him over the line, his foot was out. It was a poorly refereed game. Shayne Hayne deserves to be spoken to as the goose he is. Simpkins you really ruined the game.
Something has to be done- of Finallllllllyyyyyy! says September 15, 2012 at 1:05 PM
I don't support either club but Manly were the better team no doubt. Sure the Cowboys got lucky with the previous rake on Tafua that lead to a try. Manly had Foran knock on whether he knows it or not on the last try. Tafua seemed to lose control of the ball before his second attempt on their other try and i also have my doubts that Lyon was onside with the knock back for the first try that no ones seems to have noticed. All in all unfortunately we are once again left talking about the wrong thing in the game.
Anthony lee of Nowra says September 15, 2012 at 1:06 PM
You got beat. Get back on the plane and bugger back off to Townsville.
gt of Melbourne says September 15, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Surely you're not trying to suggest that an NRL official would ever favour a Sydney side over an interstate side?? Such a thing would never happen!!!! Not!!!! The NRL - run from Sydney, by Sydney, for Sydney.
Danny says September 15, 2012 at 1:10 PM
How did the ball go to the side if Foran didn't touch it? just sayin..
Mocco of Willoughby says September 15, 2012 at 1:14 PM
Foran is the new Maradona, with his "hand of god" performance last night. No doubt in years to come or when he brings out a book, he will admit that he touched it. Manly was the better side - but that is not the point.
johnny d of capalaba says September 15, 2012 at 1:17 PMDid you want to make a comment? Use our form below
50/50 calls from the onfield refs you can cop but when it goes upstairs with replays then thats another story.
Rory Ludlam of Perth says September 15, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Ultimately it's not up to the players to own up they're there to win, just like pointing or Steve waugh not walking, but to send to the video ref and have those decisions made not in the blink of an eye but to have the benefit of replays at all angles?? Shame on you Refs, fair enough Cowboys had an ordinary 1st half but snapped into mode in the 2nd half only to have their momentum halted by those calls, even the grounded ball by Tofua before making a fantastic break... JT was struggling to accept the crap calls and it showed, take the bad calls out which were 3-1 in favour of Manly in the 2nd half and we would've been treated to a great contest!
Desmond of Not Manly says September 15, 2012 at 1:25 PM
As much as I hate Manly, the slightly better team won on the night, and I think the refs made the correct call on both tries. On the night, I got the impression that forans arm knocks Thurston's hand into the ball and away. Foran didn't touch it and both were contesting for the ball so I had no problems with it. The blind commentators on nine made it seem more obvious than it was. The two worst calls of the night were Graham's obvious strip that led to a cowboys try, and the Taufua incident where he knocked on/grounded the ball in goal. Refs have a hard enough time as it is without getting publicly crusified for calls they get correct. No doubt a lot of people disagree with me, but that's how I saw it.
Nocredability of Thats in Qld says September 15, 2012 at 1:30 PM
A bit rich commming from Qlders especially Tate and Thurston who all year have benifited from dubious calls. Tate got away with murder in SOO, Thurston has been on the right side of some crap calls especially the try against Saints where he is clearly seen changing his direction to run around the back of his player to score a try. If you play to take advantage of bad calls don't complain when they go against you. As for the Qld fans your comments today prove your lack of credability and clearly show who the real sooks are. I dont support Manly and I do think the refs have been crap this year, but by accepting the bad calls when they go your way then whinging and calling players liers when they go against you is down right hipocriticle. The seed you sow is the plant you grow and the seed was planted so Qld could win SOO. But now there are no Qld teams left and I can't see them winning a GF for a long. As for SOO I didnt think that the NRL could do any more to give QLD the series but every year they prove me wrong and seem to go to another level in changing the rules to suit Qld. NSW have been called sooks all year but now we see who the real sooks are. Enjoy your AFL Qld.
Box of Cairns says September 15, 2012 at 1:32 PM
Thurston in the post interview with Freddie was absolute class. He didn't blame the referees and said they weren't good enough. However the Cowboy's have every right to be furious about the refereeing decisions made by the video referee. The strip by Graham on Taufua was missed by the men in the middle, calls which are missed every week so as a football team you are expected to get a couple of those in a game, the video referee decisions on the other hand are an entirely different matter. They have time and numerous camera angles to look at. They should not get it wrong. I can't for the life of me see why the men in the middle can't look at a screen on the side line to decide a try. It would take out a layer of interpretation that doesn't need to be there. At present the men in the middle send a decision upstairs and are absolved of any wrongdoing if the wrong decision is made. Have the men in the middle make the decision and there would be a significant drop in the wrong decisions being made as they are culpable for their actions.
Glenn of Parra says September 15, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Taufua try was a try. Before he was turned, the ball touched the line in the original motion. In relation to bad decisions getting to you, it didn't get to Manly when there was the strip or even when the touch judge was standing indicating a forward pass, before their second try was awarded. You Cowboys weren't complaining in Townsville when the decisions went your way but you still lost. Funny how it is also OK for Thurston to continue badgering the ref the entire game for decisions, but not for other teams and captains.
Mal Hagen of Port Moresby says September 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM
Last night's game was truly unfair and biased. Its obvious NRL video refs need checks.
Planet Earth of Thats in Qld says September 15, 2012 at 1:39 PM
To everyone saying that Foran is a Kiwi and not a Qlder seem to forget that NZ is in Qld. Along with PNG, Fiji, Northern NSW and anywhere else in the world where a player is good enough to play for Qld.
Kiwi says September 15, 2012 at 1:43 PM
@Dave of Sydney.... Foran is a Queenslander. As the first words of a newly born Somalian child was, are you sure I qualify to play for Queensland?? And the Cowboys are holier than thou. The ball wasn't stripped to get them back in the match. As Shultz says, I see nothing. Forty odd years ago there was a very good front rower called Jim Morgan. His nickname was Have A Whinge Morgan. Surprisingly, I don't think he was from Queensland.
sports lover of reedy creek says September 15, 2012 at 1:44 PM
The commentators got it right. Watch Thurston's hands and he is clearly trying to catch the ball. The only way the ball went backwards like that is if Foran knocked it on. Hopefully the video refs can learn from this, and think a bit about cause and effect rather than hmm i wonder if he touched it or not. The Cowboys played like rubbish after that, obviously affected by those two calls (the try and the non-grounding). You can argue that a better team would have stepped up not down, but it's still a bitter pill to swallow for them I'm sure.
Griffo of suck it up JT. of Brisbane. says September 15, 2012 at 1:49 PMDid you want to make a comment? Use our form below
Comeon cowboys cop it on the chin like nsw had too when we were robbed of origin three by the refs. Feels different when the shoe is on the other foot doesnt it JT. The only person I feel sorry for in the cowboys is Tamou robbed out of an origin series and robbed of a chance to win a grand final.
Aaron of Victoria says September 15, 2012 at 1:49 PM
The headline here is not newsworthy. Of course Foran was going to say he never touched it. In the same situation i'd claim the same thing. Its called gamesmanship you have to do whatever you can to try and turn the game in favour of your team. The story is that the video refs were rightly claimed "not bias just incompetent' thats the real stroy here and it needs to be fixed fast. Imagine if something like this happens in two weeks time and costs a team a grand final
john of brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Cowboys simply lost the game. Still would have lost if Manly were not rewarded the final try. And as for the other, Tafua had momentum so its a try time and time again! It just seems a little hypocritical coming from Thurston saying referees have no respect. I remember countless games where JT has shown no respect to match officials to a point it affected the game.
NRL FAN of sydney says September 15, 2012 at 1:52 PM
CowGirls.. PLS!!! You guys are forgetting that Ashley Graham stripped the ball out of Tafua's grasp which should have been a Penalty to Manly.... Manly were well and truly in control at this point.. and you scored off the scrum win!!!! should have been still 12-0 with Manly on the attack!!! .. erase the tafua Benefit of doubt try and the foran knock on and you guys still would have lost!!! The wingeing cowgirls are saying they got robbed? I think they nee d to watch the replay and realise that they were outplayed by a better team and that they NEVER looked like winning that game... so please STOP YOUR WHINGING!! i dont follow either team but Cowgirls claiming they were robbed is absolute rubbbish!
Purple Reign of Victoria says September 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM
Manly v Cowboys article is heading towards 500 POSTS! Does that tell us something????????????
NWR says September 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM
It's easy for those who don't get the bad calls to say suck it up! I wonder how well any team would go under such incompetency . Hayne spoke to Thurston with such disrespect I was amazed, all he did was question the calls by addressing him as sir! Thurston in the past has lost his rag with refs this time I felt he showed excellent restraint. Manly momentum was enhanced by the two tries BOD and accidental grounding ( new rule invented by put yourself in the Cowboys position and see if it would drain your momentum. Manly stripping issue is valid but how many bad decisions have been made this year under this ridiculous rule, the rule should go and the refs model reviewed. A final decided and again the refs take centre stage!
L of country says September 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM
Suck it up Tate you big sook. You weren't crying when the incompetent refs handed you dirty qlders the Origin trophy earlier this year. Manly were/are the better team and NQ had a try allowed after an incorrect ref decision. Maybe you could get some team mates to hold the refs down so you could dog shot them.
Jonny Evans of Caringbah says September 15, 2012 at 1:59 PM
if the cowboys were good enough they still wouldve won. brent tate had a chance to make it 22-18 with 10 mins to go but opted not to pass to a completely unmarked man on the outside. They cant blame it all on the refs. The cowboys were also gifted a try on the back of an obvious penalty from a strip. Stop whinging for goodness sakes, the world is full of enough whingers.
Daniel of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 2:11 PM
He did not have momentum....Momentum carries you forward he manually put the ball down in front of the line then picked it up again and put it down it was clearly a double movement...ANd the knock on was as clear as day...The referee's once again ruined the spectacle. I support the Drongos not the Cows so this is not a bias opinion I could not care less who won last nights game but the Cowboys were robbed.
Carpal tunnel of the bench says September 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM
A 5/8th with numb hands. It's a wonder that he does not drop the ball more often. Maybe he has carpal tunnel syndrome? Kieran may have a future in politics. The sad thing is that - unfortunately - Manly were arguably the better side but that has become a non-issue after "those" rulings. Perhaps we need to have the referees undergo compulsory IQ tests as well as eye tests to weed out those who are clearly incapable of performing to a decent standard?
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syd teams fev by refs whats new
Ronni of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 2:26 PM
BOOKMAKERS â SHOULD HAVE A MARKET â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦. 2 bet that the REFEREES AWARD TRIES that should not be TRIES. It would be very short odds 2 bet such a happening, probably only paying $1.20. This does not say much for the PRODUCT, as Cowboys coach says. The players skills in the game have never bin Better - Ref SKILLS are becoming more INCOMPETENT than ever B4. The match should have bin a DRAW --------------- 12-12 In the event the scores remained at 12-12, field goal attempts could have come into contention 2wards the end of the match 2 BREAK THE DEADLOCK - but thanks to UNBE-FRIGIN-LIEVABLE VIDEO REF calls we will never NO. For those that watched the game â U will recall that a COWBOYS try resulted from a strip in the tackle that went undetected by the on field refs. This is FORGIVABLE cos on field action is fast & furious and on field refs cannot possibly see everything. BUT VIDEO REF ERRORS, when the video clearly shows â NO TRY â is UNFORGIVABLE. Yet somehow it continues to happen with more n more frequency.
jb of sydney says September 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM
The refereeing was ridiculous manly were the better team, video ref was ordinary but the right team won, I hate manly but they deserve to be there next week. These guys are obviously gutted, but when they look at the tape at the end of the day they were outperformed
Take It On The Chin of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 2:33 PM
If player werent professional rule breakers - it would make the refs job much easier. To lay all the blame for 80 minutes of football on one call is too simplistic. JT and Henry are obviously pissed off but they should also acknowledge that Manly were the better team, more adventurous in attack, and their defence held firm when under the pump for long periods. But if players continue to flout rules - its ridiculous to lay all blame at feet of ref. The ref could blow a penalty at every ruck if they wanted to !
Dolphin of Geelong says September 15, 2012 at 2:34 PM
I don't believe it is fair to say that the better side won and in doing so nullify the effect of these shocking decisions. The moment a bad call like this happens it impacts the whole momentum of the game, giving Manly a huge psychological lift and places a heavy weight on the shoulders of the Cowboys. I am sure the Cowboys would have played the final 13 minutes very differently if they were not 10 behind on the scoreboard. Not saying they would have won, but we will never know how the game would have unfolded in the second half without these calls.
harry says September 15, 2012 at 2:40 PM
Manly will get their karma back from the storm next week? Are serious? If karma really did exist then the most cheating team in the history of the NRL would get lapped next week.
SeaEagle of Kellyville says September 15, 2012 at 2:40 PM
I do think foran touched it and i am a Sea Eagle through and through, born and bred. However, 2D images are very hard to read and looking closely its hard to tell whether or not his hand either came into contact with the ball or thurstons hand. Either way it happens it ends up with the ball being pushed in that direction.... It was lowsy refereeing and they should all get the boot for the remainder of the year. The foran try was harsh on the cowboys, however the strip on taufua was just as bad and it also led to a try. Real score should have been 16-6 with manly winning by the same margin if you take the bad decisions out of it. However, being a Sea Eagle it was good to see us get some luck for once, everyone thinks the refs are on our side, we always get thr rough end of things, usually on the wrong end of a penalty count and it was just good to see that we can get some luck when required. Go the Sea Eagles!!!
Paul of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM
The facts: Jorge Taufua's left leg was on the touch line when he touched the ball over the line a second time in that controversial try. Foran definitely touched the ball, there is no way the ball will go behind Thurston with the position of both his hands. The referees incompetent (including TMOs)? Definitely yes. Did Manly deserve to win? We dont now, since those controversial decisions changed the momentum of the game, and anything could have happened in the last 20 minutes.
Griff of Brissy says September 15, 2012 at 2:44 PM
To the muppet up there, comment number 54...you are truly a moron. James Tamou born in NZ, played for NSW this year. I'm not trying to reignite the eligibility debate, BUT before you go posting stupid stuff like that, just think first mate. I'm a broncos support & the cowboys were robbed. Any 'drop' of the ball is a knock on, which the manly player DID in goal. Foran DEFINATELY got a hand to the bomb, WHAT I WANT TO KNOW is how is it that with all the commentators, news cameras, 2 refs, 2 touch judges AND 2 video refs that they're still managing to get calls wrong, every week. Regardless of teams playing, with all the money & resources in the game, how is it that they're still getting calls that are so SIMPLE to the average punter, wrong, week after week?
Move on of Nothing to see here says September 15, 2012 at 3:06 PM
Channel 9 commentators have a lot to answer for. Watch the game on Fox. Laurie Daley clearly picks up straight away that the Taufua try touched the chalk in the first movement. TRY. Channel 9 didn't even mention that despite it being obvious. And they correctly said the Oldfield try came from a Foran knock-on. But it certainly wasn't as cut and dry as others make out. So by my reasoning take away that Oldfield try and the Cowboys strip of Taufua by Graham that lead to their 2nd try and the final score is 16-6. MANLY THROUGH TO THE NEXT GAME.
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it wasnt only just that call. At one stage taufuai touched the ball in his own goal but the refs missed it. then nq get penalised and then taufua scores from that penality. manly where lucky but thats fine, because they will not win the premiership regardless so we can rest assured of that.
Peter of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 3:14 PM
To fix this problem is simple, get rid of benefit of the doubt. Unless it's clearly a try it should not be awarded. There will always be bad calls, never going to stop that but this idiotic benefit of the doubt rule should be shown the door. Clearly it was a knock on, as for the double movement try that is a 50/50 call but did anyone actually see the ball touch the ground? How can you award a try without seeing the ball hit the ground? Unless the ref saw it hit the ground. Again it all comes back to this stupid rule.
Pete of Qld says September 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM
So many people keep mentioning the Ash Graham stripping of the ball. Can I take you back to just before that set of 6 tackles. I am fairly sure Brett Stewart caught the ball in the field of play and then was tackled into goal. It should have been a dropout by Manly. So, please stop bringing up that stripping of the ball !!! I will admit that Manly looked to be the better side on the night, but it doesn't help a team's morale when they are being robbed twice !
Leegie of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 3:20 PM
Hey did Tafua get downward pressure on that suspect "momentun" try? I think NOT! Or is it just my eyes deceiving me. (hmmmmm, maybe I need a larger TV screen in my lounge room).
Disgraced Cowboy of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 3:21 PM
What a load of crap. A lot of you stupid Manly supporters are saying - take away the contentious calls (3 to Manly, 1 to Nth Qld) and Manly still win 12-6. Okay then, what about the 35 mins of fair football that would have followed? Cowboys would have played a lot differently, instead of being forced to play catch up almost all 2nd half. How that wasn't a double movement I don't know (Once the ball has touched the ground, the attacking player can't promote the ball by spinning around and then grounding the ball over the tryline). Everyone knows that Foran is a lier, stupid video ref call there. And then the dropped ball in the in goal area, that was called play on - Stupid Shayne Hayne - he differently won't be there Grand Final day. Last of all, I join the support of the other 15 clubs in hoping that Melbourne absolutely smash Manly next week.
League supporter no more of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 3:26 PM
I've been a League supporter for as long as I can remember, but seeing those disgusting calls last night and other ridiculous calls this year, it really puts me off Rugby League. I must admit, with 5 mins to go, I just couldn't watch the League anymore and switched over to the AFL. Still so angry that i'll probably watch the AFL again tonight instead of the Sths/Canberra game. I just can't cope seeing another night of incompetent referee's. Hopefully Tony Archer does a better job though - If the best ref in the game can't get it right, then League is truly dead.
Daniel Heinz of Ipswich says September 15, 2012 at 3:26 PM
I am going to start watching AFL. Seriously the refs have taken this game and turned it in to a nightmare to watch. I wonder how much money the refs had on Manley to win. I dont support either team but that was a joke and I have had enough. Give the State of Origin to Melbourne, I am off League...AFL here I come....
DJ of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Sick of whingers... I'm a Qlder and was sick of NSW whingers over the Inglis try; better side won anyway that night. Now as a Qlder I am already sick of the cowboys whingers - better side won again. Its not bad calls that lose you the game - its how you deal with them; Manly dealt with the bad call that led to Cows levelling at 12-12 and fought back; Cows just dropped their bundle. And if you are talking about honesty? What about Ash graham stripping the ball - had one go at deliberate strip - missed, so had another go and out it came - no penalty, Cows score 3 plays later... KARMA. And the ingoal grounding? EXACLTY the same call was made when Bowen slipped in the ingoal and grounded in the first half
Casper of Nirvana says September 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Foran IS a liar.
Take Responsibility and Get On With It of Gold Coast says September 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Bit rich coming from the man who pulled off a spectacular dive not so long ago to deny what should have been a legit Manly try. Don't hear any of the Cows putting their hand up to fume about the "strip" that led to their first try. Or how about Tate putting his hand up for bungling a try by not releasing the ball and going himself with 5 mins to go? Or how about a bunch of hurt guys who failed in their mission this year just put up their hand, say they didn't play well enough and need to learn and build for next year, instead of laying blame for the result on the officials.
League supporter no more of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 3:31 PMDid you want to make a comment? Use our form below
Lucky the NRL signed the new TV rights deal before last night's game, because the value of the game has now sunk to a record low. The NRL has now lost faith with all QLDer's and without the QLD fan base, it would honestly be a very boring game and probably become like the NBL, they still play the game, but know one know's nothing about it.
Moronus Erectus of gondwanaland says September 15, 2012 at 3:32 PM
If a team gets to and leads by 10 points then loses the game the losing bets will be refunded, and the winning bets paid.......touted one agency.........simple really.
Matt of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM
Ok, I'm a bunnies fan. Lets put this into perspective. The double movement, I feel that benefit of the doubt was fair. The doubt was whether the ball touched the line before the second movement. I think the ball touched the line before he rolled over, but it couldn't be seen because of the corner post. So benefit had to go to manly. Secondly, keiran foran. It looked like touched it. Probably did. But I don't think you can say 100% that he did. Thurstons hand was inside forans and definitely knocked the ball back. But prob should have been no try. So that means manly are one up. Ok, what about ash graham knocking the ball out in the play the ball which directly lead to a JT questionable pass for a try 4 tackles later. That's a referees try if I've ever seen one. So one all in the crap calls. Better team won unfortunately cows fans. I hate manly. Go the bunnies
Kel says September 15, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Foran a liar? Well, he plays for Manly so, not surprising. Cowboys were defeated by the Manly Referees not the Manly Sea Eagles.
Harry of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Bill of Nth ryde says September 15, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Only two weeks now, until the referees decide who the 2012 Premiers will be.
A travelling man I am not of Haberfield says September 15, 2012 at 3:40 PM
Comment 67, spot on, the NRL are praying for a Womanly-Dogs GF and the refs are doing everything in their power to ensure that happens. Looks like I will be mowing the lawn GF day, could not support either side particularly those non travellers from the north side, disgraceful.
billy boy of Toowoomba says September 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM
I hate both teams, Manly were the better team on the night, Cowboys won the whining, Cowboys second try from a blatant strip, and manlys last two tries both decisions wrong, so final score Manly 12 Cows 6
Michael of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM
it's a shame after the effort the cowboys players put into their training and matches their season gets ruined by two tossers discussing technacalities in a ref box. I'd rather see the on field ref make mistakes in the heat of battle than rely on these video refs anymore
Rick says September 15, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Don`t qlders watch any other games? last weeks game storm v souths slaters try was much worse than the tafua one on the no intent grounding that rule was used earlier in the year in a saints roosters match to get the roosters home.Bowen tried to do exactly the same earlier in the match but the guy who he threw the ball to got cuaght in goal. I must say it is very funny reading all the whinges from qlders. Guess they don`t like it when they cop an occasional bad call.
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if there is karma in rugby leauge qld will lose origin for the next 50 years.
Nugget of Newcastle says September 15, 2012 at 4:28 PM
I am a huge Manly fan & I'll say it once, 3 out of 5 tries should not have been tries which means Manly win 12 to 6. To the thick headed morons that mention the forced ball (& to Thurston) the Cowboys had the scrum feed on the Manly 40. Where's the impact? The cows would have been playing the ball from approximately the same position anyway. Please would the commentators both 9 & FOX comment on the facts & not just embellish for the drama.
Matty D of Ingham says September 15, 2012 at 4:35 PM
anyone realize that all penalties going against the cows were not shown one tv. as for the 3 tries, first being offside on kick, 2nd being a blatant double-movement and third being foran touched the ball. this was a rigged game that was looking good for a while.
Sean from Gordy of QLD says September 15, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Matt Bowen grounded the ball in his in goal area the same as Tafua did. They didn't make him do a line drop out either! Ashley Graham stripped the ball and they get a try in the next set! Tell your story walking!
carolyn of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 4:42 PM
I'm done. Last game of rugby league I'll ever watch
Bloke Man says September 15, 2012 at 4:43 PM
Does anyone else realise that if Oldfield doesn't score then everything that happened in the game after that point would have been different? How the hell can anyone predict what the final score would have been? The ENTIRE GAME after that would have been different and it's simply dumb to say that you know what the result would have been. Can't remember any games being won or lost in the last 5 minutes this year,huh? One decision changes everything.
wtf says September 15, 2012 at 4:49 PM
A liar and a team of cheaters, the lot them.
Joey of Yowie says September 15, 2012 at 4:50 PM
Lets put Phil Gould in the video refs box problem solved
BunniesFOR12 of Sydney says September 15, 2012 at 5:00 PM
are NQ forgetting the try they scored after the obvious strip?? i agree with the them on the Foran incident, but don't blame the refs for your loss. How about JT's pass over the sideline when they were attacking the line? Come on guys.
Laurie of Manly says September 15, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Is Foran related to Julia Gillard?
mr rational of far out says September 15, 2012 at 5:03 PMDid you want to make a comment? Use our form below
it doesn't matter if you have 100 refs try to adjudicate - 100 idiots isn't better than 1!
The Realist from brisvegas of brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 5:04 PM
i am so spewin thurston didnt cry , all i wanted to see was thurston cry again as the premiership slipped from his fingers. HA HA HA. I live in qld and they are the most one eyed sooks up here and they only have selective vision, when it is called there way there like what are you whinging about i didn see anything but when it gos against them gosh it is ghastly and they get robbed and there is qld conspiracies against them.. Fact we all love a fair game but every one is human and makes mistakes you win some you lose some you just hope u win in the ones that matter. YOU HAD NOTHING COWBOYS NOTHING HEAR THAT NOTHING. that was not good enough form to even go close to the premiership ya next game was in melbourne then back to sydney learn to win games away from home. I am so glad there is no qld contingent left until they try and claim melbourne as theres now cant wait till that cheatin sook cameron smith loses and cries to.
CBo says September 15, 2012 at 5:16 PM
At 16-12 anything could have happened to say that Manly were going to win that is bs. when teams are playing for a place in the finals a 4 point difference is the same as a 16 all ball game. These referees should be ban for a year and maybe get their eyes checked .
Raider Fan of Canberra says September 15, 2012 at 5:21 PM
Maybe Nth Qld and their conspiracy theory supporters are very forgrtful when it comes to refs and the NRL. Last year when the Raiders were in Townsville Thurston was awarded a try after the Raiders player was pulled from his feet when he was trying to play the ball. Thurston knocked on but play was allowed to continue and the video ref awarded the try. You could see from his face he knew he knocked it on. Thurston getting away with kicking a player in the head. Thurston getting away with knocking over a referee because he "didn't see him". Maybe he is the one who needs to go to OPSM and not the officials. This year Ash Graham scores a try against the Raiders(which should never have been awarded as he dropped it) 6 inches from the corner post. When Thurston takes the kick for the conversion he had moved the kicking tee a metre and a half infield (poor refereeing as well but obviously trying to gain an advantage) so I really don't care about anyone from Nth Qld whinging about decisions that go against them.
K. Pearce of New Zealand says September 15, 2012 at 5:43 PM
Well said Glen Hall, I look forward to next season when every player in the NRL puts their hand up and admits they knocked the ball on, stripped the ball in the tackle, threw a forward pass, went high in a tackle, 2013 is going to be a revolution in the game, if Glen Hall has his way. And nope, not a Manly fan, a Warriors fan sadly! lol
Qlder's are sooks of ACT says September 15, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Don't really care, as long as the qld sooks lose. Thurston is a girl. Everything is about him, he has a very short memory. Up in nth qld every time he plays he gets the rub of the green. So harden up princess
Casper of Nirvana says September 15, 2012 at 5:50 PM
It's been confirmed, the refs got it wrong. Two, three, four, etc... wrongs don't make a right. Foran IS a liar (although I wouldn't expect him to own up) It's the culture in Manly to lie. Just ask B Stewart and Watmough.
Kiwi_land of NZ says September 15, 2012 at 5:52 PM
A dream come true; the qld teams have all failed and there are none left for the rest of the finals. This try is karma for State of Origin one when inglis scored a no try, what comes around goes around you Qlders
MANLY 1 of central coast says September 15, 2012 at 6:08 PM
some of these comments make me laugh.it didnt feel like a finals game and manly didnt play great.cowboys had chances the just crapped their pants like manly did against dogs.bad calls both ways.big test for manly next game mel in mel.should be manly at brookvale it would be packed.MANLY ROCK
KIAMA GRUB of Australia says September 15, 2012 at 6:10 PM
All KIWIS are claimed as QLD origin players so Foran is a Queenslander BRO.
NRL LOVER of Roma says September 15, 2012 at 6:23 PMDid you want to make a comment? Use our form below
On the field the refs get a hard job, they deserve respect even if they miss things and get it wrong. Graham stripped a ball which the cows later through play scored, and manly scored off a penality against Hall that was no different from half the tackles in the game, so it kinda evens itself out. But the video refs had it all in front of them and still got it wrong, seems like there is a ruling process of a try that automatically favours the attacking team. The true outcome of the game will be left at the 52nd minute mark. Also first game in a while manly didnt harrass the refs and a shame to see heaps of vaccant seats, wouldnt of seen that at suncorp stadium!!
Sport is Life, the rest is merely details of Qld says September 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM
all the manly fans saying that without the last try there was still a 4 point margin were the same ones bleating about Qld still winning by 2 without GI's alleged try in SOO I. All Qld supporters said to take the good with the bad so that's what the NQ supporters have to do now. it was obvious after the 20minutes the referees were not going to give NQ a chance of winning the match. Having said that the Cowboys weren't exactly setting the field on fire. The only person who really knows if he did or did not touch the ball is kf, if you watch his body language after the incident he stops & looks at the ref almost like a batsman getting an edge and looking straight back to the keeper. & if he is happy he didnt touch it then obviously his conscience is clear, although I'm sure finals bonuses will help his conscience get over it. Not that it matters, it isn't going to change the outcome.
One ba call each of Manly better team says September 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM
Just saw a shot on 7 News - Commentators stated and its showed Tafua made the line BEFORE the momentum took him over to score. Foran did knock on and Manly were robbed with the Cowboys strip being called a knock on and that led tto a try. Baad cals - 1 all !! Manly better team. Suck it up Cowgirls and anti manly supporters !!!:) PS- Foran a Kiwi you fools
manly 1 of central coast says September 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM
maybe its time for nrl to turn to nfl for coach challenges or captain chalenge on field.go manly
Eager Beaver of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 6:59 PM
The game was not lost when the try was awarded to Manly it was lost by the Cowboys when they failed to score with the line wide open when one certain player did not pass to his unmarked winger in the second half. All I can say is lucky jamie Lyon forgot his kicking boots or the score would have even been larger which it should have been as they Manly were clearly the better team on the night. Perhaps J Thurstons comments all week against Manly backfired whilst on the local news.
Fed up of definitely not Manly says September 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM
Not only are the Sea Eagles clearly cheating the salary cap they are obviously buying out the refs now too.. Absolute CHEATS, there is no two ways about!! I'm not even a cowboys fan and I feel for them as they were ROBBED!!!
CEO OF AFL of ROLLING IN THE AILES says September 15, 2012 at 7:29 PM
We are just wrapped about whats gone on here. No amount of money can buy this promotion
Bob the builder of Laughs at you says September 15, 2012 at 7:49 PM
To No honesty in QLD, that will do me, living in QLD has made you dumb? Im no Queenslander but im pretty sure you have always been dumb and half of you people commenting on here how about you seperate your sentences xso we can actually make sense of your dribble. :)
Face up to the Truth Foran of sydney says September 15, 2012 at 8:06 PM
So Foran - even Harrigan and Raper reckon your a liar - Manly . . . slimey dogs
shane of Australia says September 15, 2012 at 8:53 PM
build a spit bridge and get over it!
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Storm will smash manly anyway.
Haka boy of Brisbane says September 15, 2012 at 9:08 PM
Hey no honesty in qld You need to check your facts before shooting your mouth off!!!! Foran is a Kiwi not a queenslander!!!!!
Dan Baker of Toowoomba says September 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM
Been stewing on and off all day. #NRL. Three theories seem to be going around. 1. Sydney Bias. It often seems decisions this bad come out at State of Origin and finals time against Qld sides. Qld sides normally having to beat their opponents and also the referee. (Main reason there was little sympathy for poor decisions against NSW, for once, in Origin 3 this year). 2. It's all about the money, money. Mainly fan game attendance has been down and perhaps another premiership will prop it up. The theory stems also from many favourable ref decisions for Melbourne when they started and conspiracy theories that the NRL knew about Melb salary cap breaches and only finding that they had to act in 2008 before it got to the media. No team meant $$$$ more than an established league team for a city like Melbourne. 3. This theory is also the official line from the NRL, the video refs, who saw the same footage as the rest of the world, simply got it wrong. OK.... So who were those guys the Mad Hatter & March Hare or perhaps it was Stevie Wonder and Guramul in for celebrity musician video ref night? My thoughts.... Theory 3: Pfft, yeah, only insults fans even more if the NRL expets everyone to
jimmy says September 15, 2012 at 9:41 PM
If it wasnt a double movement it was a knock on, and if it wasnt a knock on his foot was into touch before he placed the ball down in the second movement ( thats for the first try )...... Kieran Forlan for you to come out and still say you didnt touch it after the game just goes to show what kinda person you are... A Kiwi GRUB that has absolute no class at all.Replays clearly show you touch it. As for no honesty in Qld u are the biggest fool out there, pretty sure GI admitted he dropped it cleanly in Melb u stupid fool... Thats pretty well said , Put Phil Gould in the Video refs box, he makes the right decision and does it fast
Go Manly Back To Back says September 15, 2012 at 10:34 PM
Manly won and nothing can change that it makes up for some of the games Manly were robbed from earlier this year fron the Video Ref.
pokesome fun of south coast of shoalhaven says September 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM
So Glenn Hall is this how you would have handled the situation. ?Excuse me Ref you really need to know that i touched the football. Johnathan definately didn't get a hand to it. Reverse the decision Now ...I don't want to be branded a Liar???? Get over yourselves you lost and got away with a try after raking the ball . Benefit of the DOUBT??? how much doubt is not measured LOL. GO the mighty Bulldogs.
yako of Sydney says September 16, 2012 at 12:25 AM
Crap like this is the reason why League will never be as good as Football (soccer)...even union is better and makes more consistent referee decisions.
Just the Facts of Sydney says September 16, 2012 at 12:27 AM
@Pete of QLD #102 please re-watch the game. Brett Stewart had one foot in the in-goal when he caught it. If you think otherwise then you truly have no idea about the game you support
dougal says September 16, 2012 at 6:39 AM
GCE of Sydney - So Spot On !! Glen Halls hollywood dive in townsville was a classic
A neutral perspective of WA says September 16, 2012 at 7:00 AM
You were robbed comment only applies if the moment of controversy or both if your from north qld or all 3 if your a neutral, actually costs you the game. Take the two Manly tries and 1 conversion off its 12-12 so the cowboys havent won anything yet. Take off the strip and resulting try and its 12-6 Manly. If the oldfield try took Manly past the cowboys then we were robbed would apply and I'd agree with you. But if you havent sdcored enough points you can't complain. For any neutral its 12-6 at worst after Harrigans comments its probably 18-6. No robbery here
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There's no credibility in Rugby League in anyway so why should Foran start being honest now??????
haydn of cairns says September 16, 2012 at 7:31 AM
Last night Phil Gould talked about the crowd they would get for Souths V Dogs next weekend...if Cowboys played Melbourne next week they beleived crowds would be down. it wasn't a win for Manly it was a win for Sydney Rugby league.
janis lopez of tweed heads says September 16, 2012 at 8:24 AM
I need hear the truth did manly win, should the cowboys be playing Melbourne?I believe in my heart we were the better team.If Cowboys were robbed of victory i missed it they had there chances.
Glenn Hall's 'friend' of Oxford Street says September 16, 2012 at 8:26 AM
I will be watching every Cowboys match next season with great interest. Top of my viewing scrutiny will be how many times the Cowboy players rush to the referee to explain how their try should not be awarded, where a knock on or a forward pass or some other discrepancy occurs. Surely them honest North Queensland players would never take a lucky call in their benefit, especially after all the sooky sooky la la crap they have cried about since being taught a lesson by the Eagles. It took Manly 26 seasons to win their first comp and the same may apply for the beefcakes from up north, so I shall give you an early congratulation for your FIRST premiership victory in 2020 ... losers!
Get ya facts right of Brisbane says September 16, 2012 at 10:44 AM
To all you people say Foran is a sooky QLDER get your facts straight, he is a bloody kiwi (you know like James Tamou was before he switched to play for NSW). Manly always seem to get these 'hand of god calls' and when any pesky decision goes against them they sook all day and night (just like Paul Gallon and Ricky Stuart) so pull ya head in! The calls were wrong and they shouldn't have been given. Whether the Cowboys would have won, who knows. These decision are coming up so often now the NRL is a disgrace. Look at the sharks try against Cannerra from a 2m forward pass! These decisions are not good enough!
Manlysuckk of Sydney says September 16, 2012 at 1:33 PM
I had respect for Foran until this, made himself look like a school kid. It dosnt help if you have the IQ of a housefly
Sue of Townsville says September 16, 2012 at 1:39 PM
It really doesn't matter what opinion people have, it's not going to change the result of the game. Although they should take the Benefit of the Doubt ruling out of the game and send the decision back to the ref on the field or declare a NO TRY. I only hope it's a STORM V BULLDOGS Grand Final and finally I wish people would learn how to spell DEFINITELY properly!
Manly. Land of hollow victories says September 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM
but jimmy, Kiwi grubs with no class are perfect for Manly, (the club that "produces" their team only using the finest "local" talent.) Look at the filthy grub Matai, fits in nicely with fellow thugs Watmough, Stewart, King etc. Good thing actually, keeping all the vermin in one rat's nest.
Letter to Uncle Arko says September 16, 2012 at 2:46 PM
Dear Uncle Arko, Thanks a lot for all your help so far this year. Please get us through the Storm game one way or another. Don't worry we will make you and your good ol' boy buddies at the NSWRL proud of us. Love from your white haired nephew, Bucket Boy xxxxxxxxxxxx
1+1=? says September 16, 2012 at 6:39 PM
Seriously cowgirls, enroll in a nsw adult education class and get yourselves some basic mathematics skills. When u take one try from manlys score and one try from your score for the deliberate strip- what have you got? Take your time fellas. Theres no clock on it. 'robbed!'- thats laughable! And JT- i didnt realise you were a sad, pathetic whinger. Bad sportsmanship!
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Just ordered a crap load of pallets full of tissues and sending up to North QLD.....and the supporters of the other 14 NRL teams. For crying out loud, quit your whinging. There were bad calls to both teams. Taufua's try was a fair try, Manly would still have won minus Oldfield's try and minus Cowboys strip try, even if you take away Taufua's as well, Manly still would have won by 4.Build a bridge people. The huge outcry is only because everyone hates Manly, or is scared of Manly more like it. Like this sort of thing doesn't happen every week to every team....anyone remember the Eels 5 metre forward pass that stole the game off Manly a couple of years ago or the so called knock on by Lynon for Olfield to score against the Cowboys....ball went about 2 metres back!! So cry me a river!!
Jim of Newcastle says September 16, 2012 at 10:10 PM
Glen Hall said that, really - the same Glen Hall who took a dive into Watmough a month ago to milk an obstruction and deny Manly a try? The same Glen Hall who laughed and clapped when Brent Tate did the same...tripped and screamed at the ref that Matai had obstructed him? Did that very same Glen Hall at any time approach the referee on Friday night after the Cowboys second try and say "mate, you can't give us that try, Ash Graham clearly stripped it"...umm, no. I bet Neil Henry thought the referees were 100% competent up until the Tafua try, what with all the calls going the Cowboys way.
Scott of Sydney says September 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM
Jim of Newcastle - classic. What's been lost in all of this is the better team on the night won the game of football.
Honest John of Planet Earth says September 17, 2012 at 10:12 AM
Everyone stop winging about who did what or who would have won if...Sort the rules out properly (remove the striping rule and clean up the tackle). NRL is a great game to watch but money as it always does ruins everything. All players will do what they have to to get the ref to blow a try or a penalty. Where has good sportsmanship and HONESTY gone. Also get rid of that tool Gould who thinks he run the game.
Sam of Sydney says September 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM
"no honesty in qld " - Foran is a kiwi not a Qlder. Karma for State of Origin. Tate is a dog. Thurston wasn't blowing up after Hodges try in game 3. Suck it up princesses, people call Sheens and Farah whingers, well after the controversial Dogs game they weren't making excuses, just said they didn't take their oppurtunities. GET OVER IT.
Bradley Thwaites of Townsvile says September 19, 2012 at 8:14 AM
Look at the stats all those who think Manly were the better team. I think they were better in 2 areas and that was it. NQ had it all over them everywhere else and their momentum was halted by silly refereeing calls.


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I wouldn't use it myself, but it is quite useful as it evolves in to Chansey which evolves in to Blissey...
I wouldn't use it myself, but it is quite useful as it evolves in to Chansey which evolves in to Blissey...
happiny has good evolve forms but I personally think its weak and not very helpful.
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basically useless... I mean I guess it helps when breeding but it could have just been a chansey hatching. I guess they want larger pokemon to have baby forms, but hell I don't see a baby onix anywhere
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As everybody has said, she is cute...
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Don't know why I'm commenting on this. Happiny is cute but feels like one of the those Pokemon that didn't need a pre-stage. I was never found of Chansey or Blissey either, they are all just okay. I do like all the experience you get for defeating them, so in that regard they are good. Great way to level up weak Pokemon in Sinnoh
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Happiny is great for kibble. Maybe Purina could look into it...
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Rihanna turns 25 today, 2/20! So, we wanted to give her a big shout out.
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Hey M Girls!
Rihanna turns 25 today, 2/20! So, we wanted to give her a big shout out.
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Hey M Girls,
We had a blast chatting with Conor Maynard! He spilled deets about his album Contrast, the craziest thing he's done to get a girl's attention, and the celeb he ran into on a plane! Check it out below!
How has your time in the U.S. been? Have you had any crazy fan encounters?
I think it's been amazing! We rode this big bus with my face on it! That was really fun. I performed on the Today Show for my debut TV performance, so fans were outside waiting for that, even though they should have been in school already. So that was really cool. It's been amazing so far. I think for me, every time I come here I get to see the progress firsthand because I go away and come back there are new fans I get to meet, so it's really cool! I think it's the random body parts I've been asked to sign is the weirdest! They never seem to have any paper that I could just sign! They say they haven't got anything on them and I'm like "oh god." Elbows are always weird!
So where did your album title "Contrast" come from?
I think people expect quite a young, poppy kind of album. I think for me, I'm offering something a little different - something more R&B and more mature. The contrast between what people were expecting and what was to come, that was one of the reasons I called it Contrast. Contrast within the album - there's the big upbeat dance songs and piano ballads and I've always enjoyed doing that. And contrast with what's already out there. I don't think there are quite any records or artists that sound like it right now. So that's another difference and then another reason about Contrast points out the contrast in my life from before I was signed to now. It's so different.
Where would you want to live if you lived in the U.S.? Vegas, LA?
I do love New York. New York is up there as on of my favorites. It's like a bigger version of London. It kind of reminds me of being at home. I shot the "Vegas Girl" video in New York, so I have incredible memories in New York as well. LA's amazing - we shot the "Turn Around" video in LA. I certainly had a crazy time there.
Click here to watch his "Turn Around" music video!
What is a "Vegas Girl"?
It's just someone who loves to party, someone who has fun. When I meet a girl, the one thing I love is when they love to just have fun and let go and party. I think Vegas is sort of the party central of the world, and I think when someone can party when they're in some random place nowhere near Vegas it's cool.
So was the song and the music video inspired by someone or a real situation?
I think that's kind of mild stalking in the video! You know, taking a picture of her and trying to find her. That was, I suppose, an exaggerated version of when you meet someone and you think they look like a whole lot of fun and you wish you could spend more time with that person.
Click here to watch his "Vegas Girl" music video!
What is the craziest thing you've done to get a girl's attention?
I think sometimes you go out of your way to do weird stuff and it's like "oh, we're walking to the toilets for a third time, what're the odds" kind of thing where you know what you're trying to do and she probably does too, but she might've been creeped out. But sometimes I think you need to do some weird stuff to get someone's attention or if you plan to be somewhere at a certain time. I mean sometimes I'll walk down a corridor of my school when my class isn't there because I know some girl is going to be walking down there at the same time.
What would you say is the most personal song off your album?
"Just in Case". It's a song I wrote towards the end of creating the album about a relationship I was in. It kind of ended because I was too busy and I couldn't really give her what she wanted in a relationship. I think for me, I look back and I'm like "oh wow, I wish things were different." It's called "Just in Case" because she's with someone new now and just in case he messes up, just in case things go wrong with him, I'm still here. Please know that I'm still here. I didn't leave you because I wanted to - I left you because I had to.
I saw you're going on tour soon! Are you excited?
Yeah, definitely! Touring is literally my favorite thing to do. It's always so fun and there's always so many people that I get to meet and fans I've never seen before. Fans always bring weird stuff. They have massive banners and t-shirts. It's nice to see all the creativity of the fans. It's fun to see all the fans and to hear them sing along to the album. They have the album now, so they can have a more interactive experience with the songs. So I hope they enjoy it!
So do you have any crazy celeb connections or friends that someone would be surprised to find out about?
I've worked with some incredible people on the album. I was texting Niall from One Direction the other day. I'm quite good friends with him. Ed Sheeran is really cool as well. I bump into him, he's really nice to talk to. One crazy experience happened recently. I was on a plane on the way back to London from LA and I was kind of sitting in my chair and I heard a tap on my chair and I turned around and it was Rihanna. She was just like "congratulations on everything!" and walked off. I kind tried to say thank you, but all that came out was "dsjfsdk"! That was a crazy crazy experience!
Can you tell us three random facts about yourself?
I like to beatbox. I enjoy beatboxing I have a mole under my eye that my friends call Cocoa Pop (that's what they call Cocoa Puff's in the UK!) and I appeared in a TV show when I was thirteen called Dream Team.
Thanks for chatting Conor!
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Yesterday Rihanna tweeted: "Big news coming tomorrow!"
Well, guess what! We finally found out what it's about! RiRi is going to have her own TV show (and it doesn't involved singing!).
The fashion and pop icon will have a fashion competition series on the Style Network called "Styled to Rock" - we're so excited!
So, here are the deets:
There will be 10 one-hour episodes in which Rihanna will pick 12 aspiring clothing designers! She will give the contestants the chance to create free outfits designated for celebs -- COOL!
Rihanna has always been a trendsetter. She admits: "Fashion has always played an integral part in my life and career."
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Just last week, some of today's biggest stars flew to Las Vegas for the iHeartRadio music festival! Unfortch, not everybody could make it to the event, so The CW will be airing the show tonight...and the best part is, you can watch it from your couch!
The two-hour special will include performances by Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Pink, Usher, No Doubt, Pitbull and many more. Check it out only on The CW at 8pm ET!
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Last night, the stars hit the Grammy Awards in style, and now it's time to sound off on your fave (and least fave...) fashion choices!
Rihanna and Adele had lots in common with their pretty blonde 'dos and eye-catching black dresses:
Country sweeties Carrie Underwood and Taylor Swift went with shiny metallics and classy updos:
Nicki Minaj and Katy Perry took major risks and went head to toe in one hue -- Nicki in red and Katy in blue:
Let's dish:
-Who do you think was best dressed? Which look did you like the least?
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For more fashion face-offs, be sure to pick up the March issue of M -- on stands now!!
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When it comes to unique fashion and hairstyles, Rihanna is a fierce and fearless trendsetter. So it doesn't come as a surprise that the trendy singer recently traded her luscious brown, curly locks for a new blonde 'do!
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Hey M Girls!
Celebs are always posting fun pics on their Twitter accounts, and since you may have missed them this week, we pulled our top five faves from the past seven days. Check 'em out!
Bella Thorne tweeted: Dinner!
Rihanna tweeted: MJ mini-me
Justin Bieber tweeted: We're the 3 best friends that anyone could have!
Ashley Argota tweeted: Skillz
Shake It Up's Roshon Fegan tweeted: Mmmmm popcorn!
So let's dish:
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Hey M Girls!
New artist Taylor Berrett stopped by the M office last week for a super-fun hang sesh! We chatted with him about everything from his upcoming album to The Hunger Games -- he was such a sweetie.
Check out our Q&A with Taylor here:
M: Can you tell us about your single, "Anchor Chasing?"
Taylor: "Anchor Chasing" was a song I wrote a little bit ago and it deals with the ocean and kind of the imagery there.
M: What other kinds of songs can we expect to hear on your debut album?
Taylor: I go all over the place, sometimes on purpose and sometimes just 'cause I can't help it. I like to have songs that are uplifting and hopeful in some way, so that's kind of the mood or theme that I hope to have throughout my music.
M: Can you tell us some random facts about yourself that readers would be surprised to find out?
Taylor: I'm the pickiest eater ever, I'm horrible at dancing and I LOVE to read!
M: Have you read anything fun recently?
Taylor: I just read The Hunger Games -- those books are so good! I went through all of them in like a week and a half. I just couldn't stop.
M: 'Fess up. Are you Team Peeta or Team Gale?
Taylor: I was kind of back and forth. I think toward the end I was Team Gale. You know what, I'm going to flip-flop. I think Team Peeta was the way to go, because he was more solid. Gale was kind of all over the place and a little bit childish, so I'll go with Team Peeta. I'm going to put my foot down on that.
Taylor also wanted to record a video message for M girls:
Watch the music video for Taylor's single, "Anchor Chasing" here:
If you're lovin' what you just heard, Taylor's debut EP, "Anchor Chasing" is now available for download on iTunes!
Let's dish:
-What do you think of Taylor's single, "Anchor Chasing"? Who's your fave new artist?
Hey M Girls!
After a month-long break, which is way too long for major Gleeks like us, Glee finally returns tonight! In the new episode, Mr. Schuester will ask Emma to marry him -- OMG!
Plus, the song list sounds amazing. Not only will New Directions take on Rihanna's "We Found Love," but they're covering everyone from Maroon 5 to Michael Jackson to the classic movie, Grease this week. Cool!
Check out this preview for the episode here:
Plus, listen to Rachel's newest solo -- it's so powerful!
Make sure to tune in for Glee tonight at 8pm ET only on Fox!
Let's dish:
-Are you excited for new episodes of Glee? What's your fave Glee cover?
Photo courtesy of Fox
Hey M Girls!
Last night at the People's Choice Awards, Demi Lovato won the "Favorite Pop Artist" award against Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Rihanna and Katy Perry -- wowza!
Demi wasn't the only big winner last night. Taylor Swift took home the "Favorite Country Artist" award and Katy Perry was named "Favorite Female Artist," even though she wasn't at the event. What a huge night!
After the show, Demi immediately tweeted: My fans are EVERYTHING to me... My world, my life... Thank you SO much for my PCA!!!! FAVORITE POP ARTIST!!! YAYYY!!! Congrats, Dem!!
Not only did Demi win, but she also gave a rockin' performance of her latest hit, "Give Your Heart A Break." We think she sounded great!
Check it out here:
Let's dish:
-Did you watch the People's Choice Awards last night? Are you glad Demi took home an award?