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lol.. can I have frame #2?
lol.. can I have frame #2?
but without a SN you'll NEVR B ABLE 2 PROOV IT!Originally Posted by SpecialBlend2786
Do you know the ETA on the tag boards?
cup cup cup, as stated above
if i recall cup is in what...2-3 weeks?
also while im here...
there is no problem hooking the lpr upto the 15* asa foregrip is there?
like using a right angle fitting then hooking it on the side ointing forward?
also would the rail need more external milling or...can the micro hose be ran thru the screwholes that are already tapped?
thanks, and lmk if i dont make sence.
It would look better if you just sent me your 15 deg and let me tap another hole out the front like these have.Originally Posted by Chronobreak
You can just run the hose around the outside of the VA and into the frame, I just put that thru hole on mine to help hide the hose a little better.
And yes, last I heard, the new board are supposed to be done for Cup. No telling it that will happen or not though.
Ryan Shanks
Logic Industries LLC
Is that the Emag board or just the Predator board in general, or both?
Originally Posted by 11 Bravo
it's the PRed II Board.
The Emag Pred board is comepletely different.
Actually, its another, as yet unnamed board. It is being done by TAG, and will have Predator 5.X code on it though.Originally Posted by Automaggot68
How many people attend this "Cup"...Because it seems as if Everything comes out at it..And what is the point of another board, if it has the same code on it? to me, that doesn't make sense unless you plan on making a better, bigger code then they already have.
Oh, and the 400th post of this thread, wow.
hype..but hey, I don't think anyone gives a frick about the board in this frame compared to the rest of it. As long as it has all the current firing modes I think we're happy.Originally Posted by Maggot6
"Cup" would be World Cup. You know, the biggest tournament of the year.Originally Posted by Maggot6
Companies always unveil stuff there because it is essentially the end of the playing season, and the start of the Chirstmas buying season. Its just good marketing.
And, having seen these boards, I can say that they will be appreciated. The code is getting better every day, the boards are getting more elegant, and the whole deal is getting more reliable.
you got a PM
are these the same boards going into the e-mags? or am i confusing ymself?
You're confused.Originally Posted by Chronobreak
EMag board = Way huge.
The board I'm using = Way tiny.
Its totally new, and not even announced yet. I'm not giving any more details than that, as I promised Bob I wouldn't leak.
Likely the same code, though the EMag boards may not end up with the latest code on them. It depends a lot on when they end up getting finished and flashed.
You can count on these boards having the absolute newest code on them.
I have not been paying too much attention to this thread since I have been waiting for my dop in Emag board . I must say however, you have done a fantastic job on these. I LOVE everthing you did with it and on top of that it looks outstanding!
Almost makes me want to sell my Emag and build one of these. I think this will be great for all Mag owners in the long run. Just wanted to say great job and thank you very much.
Thank you sir.
Kind words are always appreciated.
Cause the board will be able to be used in any marker, so I'll finally have a board to put in my e-tippy project.Originally Posted by Maggot6
Coolhand you mentinoed before about asking Palmer to do a special stab, do you think he would do one that would be styled like a mag sidline stab? Cause I might get one for my longbow but I don't want a gas through gripp set-up
I just purchased MadPSIence's spot and I have a few questions that may have been answered already, I do apoligize if they were. But how thick are the lazer engraving lines going to be? I'm trying to figure out how to make my design. And also is the official name of the frame the Logic Ripper EM?
Oh and if any of you are good with photoshop PM I have a project for you.
I think that a regular sideline stabilizer will work without any modifications other than changing the fittings. You'll need to put a close nipple where the QD is now, and then an 18" NPT -> #10-32 reducing bushing on the output port to installs a hose barb there. That's all just screwing fittings together though.Originally Posted by fullofpaint
You'll just need to cut a tiny notch in the underside of the grip cheek on that side to sneak the hose inside the frame. That's easily done with an exacto knife.
@CoolHand : I would like to make sure you got my e-mail with updated info/color and laser engraving patern.
They laser doesn't have a set width. It has a minimum width, but no maximum.Originally Posted by zackzel
You just draw it to suit you, and then if I have to modify it to make it work I will get your approval before we actually engrave your frame.
The official project name is the Ultimate Electro Mag Frame (UEF for short).
I dropped the Ripper title from all of my stuff out of deference to Jim Eaton (Ripper Machinist on PBN), who has been using that name for years. I didn't realize that all the Ripper stuff was the same guy (the cockers, the timmys, all the random cool stuff). I got to talk to him about a month ago, and he said he got calls all the time about my stuff, because people were getting confused, so I dropped the tag and renamed everything.
I just couldn't edit the thread title to reflect this change.
Yup, I got it.Originally Posted by DaveSM
OK folks, drum roll please . . . . . .
Right Click the link and choose "Save Target As".
Short Video with Paint
It sound graphed out at just a fuzz over 20bps. That's a stock HALO-B too, so I'm going to guess that its just not going to go faster than that (already using fresh batteries).
I'll see what I can do with the Cheetah HALO I've got kicking around here though.
One thing I did notice, is that you basically can't dry fire this thing. If you set the board timing to let you dry fire, its unnecessarily slow with the eyes on (since you also have a BIP delay when the eyes are on). If you set to to be fast with the eyes on (like in the video), it will chuff and short-stroke like a madman when you try to use it with them off, since the BIP delay is ignored when the eyes are off.
But, that's OK, you just have to shoot paint to show off.
It is fast as hell, I will say that.
The paint I used was nearly two (2) years old. Its basically zero bounce, and kinda funny shaped. I'm really amazed that the HALO fed it as well as it did. Its all that I had here ATM, so its what I used. The video is so short, because that's all the paint I had. I will take a longer vid when I get some more paint bought.
There's the video you all wanted though. The doubters can go suck an egg now.
Its final, Im selling my soul.
That was awsome, but I had faith before the vid thats why I jumped on the bandwagon. Did you get my PM?
Originally Posted by zackzel
Hmmmm . . . . . . .
Better resend it, I don't remember another one from you lately.
I will go check my inbox to be sure though.
EDIT: Nevermind, I went and checked, and replied to the last one you sent. Sorry for the late reply, I had read it, but not replied before AO went down.
Have a good one.
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Pics of the finished marker:
Weight is 6 lbs 9 ozs (6.563 lbs) as pictured, or 2 lbs 5.5 ozs (2.344 lbs) weighed like everyone else does it (less the barrel, bottle, loader, and rail mount).
Note that I added a second detent, and moved the eye covers so that they fit like they were supposed to. If you have me do the eye install, I will pop a second detent in the body for another $10 (the machine work doesn't take much time, the money is mostly just to cover the second detent).
Also of note is the disappearance of the ghettorific On/Off switch. It has been replaced by the snifty little slider switch I was talking about a week or two ago.
If you would rather have a MiniMaxFlo like the on that is on that marker, its not a problem. It will add $25 to the price (the little buggers are $60 friggin dollars ). The cost goes up, but I think they look better (they sure are a lot smaller than the ANS reg). I thought it best to leave it up to the customer.
Last edited by CoolHand; 10-10-2005 at 02:56 AM.
Was That Vid In Semi Or Ramp Or What
Oh no, not semi-auto.Originally Posted by UDO
It was in PSP ramp #3 (3 shots semi, then three shots per pull 'till the loader maxes out).
As soon as I can wrangle up someone with fast fingers I'll shoot a semi auto video.
Originally Posted by CoolHand
I don't care what mode that was, this gun is sweet looking. You really did an awsome job Coolhand, Can't wait to have mine.
Very impressive. I wish I was getting one.


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The fire is under investigation; the Sheriff's Office said foul play is not suspected.
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Whitlock | Price goes up for Johnson
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The record contract the Colts handed defensive end Dwight Freeney late last week is yet another new wrinkle in the Larry Johnson-Chiefs contract saga.
Freeneys $72 million deal, which includes $30 million in bonuses and $37.5 million over the first three years, raised the roof on all future contract demands across the league.
The Colts treated Freeney, the games second-best defensive end after Julius Peppers, like a quarterback. And by doing so, the Colts hammered the point that you cant compare 2007 contracts by the standards established under the old collective-bargaining agreement.
The franchise-tag value for defensive ends had been around $8.6 million. Once Peppers inks a new deal, an agreement that should surpass Freeneys, the franchise number for pass rushers will begin to approach $10 million.
My point in bringing this up is it is being made abundantly clear that the deal that LaDainian Tomlinson, the leagues best running back, signed in 2004 is obsolete when talking about Larry Johnsons value in todays market.
If the Chargers signed LT today, he would garner a $30 million signing bonus and $36 million over the first three years of the contract.
Under that scenario, what does the games second-best running back deserve? Larry and his agent have virtually no choice but to demand $25 million in guarantees.
I still see a trade as a legitimate possibility. The Hunt family has never shown the stomach for reaching into their piggy bank and handing out huge signing bonuses.
The Chiefs still operate like a $10 million bonus is a big deal. Yes, Tony Gonzalez got $18 million in guaranteed money, but only $10 million was in signing bonus. The rest was in guaranteed salary over the first four years of his new deal.
But look at the cash Colts owner Jim Irsay has been tossing around: Peyton Manning received $35 million in guarantees, Marvin Harrison got $23 million, Reggie Wayne took home $13.5 million and now Freeney just cracked $30 million.
Theres a huge difference between paying a guy in salary and paying a guy in guaranteed bonuses. The latter is far more risky and causes an owner to initially dip into his own finances to do it. Its the difference between cash dollars and salary-cap dollars.
The Hunts will spend their salary-cap dollars, but theyve been reluctant to stretch the cap by spending large sums of cash in bonuses.
Im not going to beat up the Hunts or team president/general manager WildCarl Peterson about their frugal spending habits. You could argue the Colts are in a unique situation; they have arguably the leagues best quarterback, pass rusher and wide receiver.
The Chiefs have arguably the leagues best tight end, and they paid him like it. In my opinion, the Chiefs have the leagues best offensive guard, Brian Waters, and WildCarl took complete advantage of Waters in 2006 contract negotiations.
Is it WildCarls fault that Waters chose to do his deal without the assistance of an agent? Waters is every bit as good as Minnesotas Steve Hutchinson, who inked a $49 million deal that included $16 million in bonuses.
Waters received a $4 million roster bonus, relatively modest salaries over the first three years ($585,000, $720,000 and $2.08 million), and roster bonuses in 2007 and 2008 of $3 million and $2.5 million. When you toss in workout bonuses and per-game roster bonuses, Waters received $14.6 million over three years. Hutchinson got $23 million.
Waters signed an extremely Chiefs-friendly agreement. Its simply not the kind of reward teams generally give proven performers and rock-solid citizens such as Waters at least not when they retain proper representation.
Again, Im not trying to beat up Peterson or the Hunts. The Patriots and the Eagles, to name two franchises, have experienced success while gaining a reputation as cheap.
And does declining to give Johnson $20 million-plus in guarantees mean the Chiefs are cheap or does it signify that the organization believes Johnson isnt worth it? According to my sources, so far, the Chiefs have offered Johnson less guaranteed money than Gonzalez. The Chiefs are allegedly in the $14 million to $15 million range, or about half of what LT would get today.
Is Johnson only half the running back that Tomlinson is? No one would argue that. A trade just might make sense for all parties. Brett Favre would love to have Larry Johnson, and the Packers would properly pay Johnson. The Chiefs could pick up a few draft picks


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GROTON -- At a Finance Committee meeting Tuesday night, members took no hard and fast positions on upcoming budget discussions, but rather strategized in anticipation of hearing department heads defend their requests for fiscal 2014.
"I don't think there are any blockbuster items in the budget," said Chairman Jay Prager of the fiscal 2014 town operating budget unveiled by Town Manager Mark Haddad at a selectmen's meeting Jan. 7.
At the time, Haddad characterized his proposed budget as a needs budget that concentrated on areas in town government that will improve services.
Excluding the School Department, which takes up 54 percent of the town's total budget, municipal spending will come to $12,455,750 in 2014; an increase over 2013 of 7.83 percent.
Holding down costs will be a combination of factors, including the costs of health and pension plans that are expected to hold steady, revenue raised by 2.5 percent as allowed by law, and modest new growth.
Other revenue sources including remaining state aid, motor-vehicle excise taxes, and other funds are expected to add $4,308,669 to the town's income in fiscal 2014.
The new budget also includes room to hire a full-time dispatcher for the Police and Fire Departments, one more technician in support of the town's IT services, and a full-time building commissioner.
Affecting the bottom line will be a 2 percent salary increase for all of the town's public unions which will be entering the second of their three-year agreements.
The only reservation Prager had with Haddad's budget was his plan to set aside $100,000 to create an account intended to help pay for Groton's unfunded post-employment benefits for retired employees.
In light of the growing crisis of unfunded liabilities surrounding public employees, and anticipating that the state or federal governments would eventually require towns to begin setting aside money to cover such expenses, Haddad has advised the creation of a stabilization fund that would be added to every year until 2018.
In its favor, Haddad has argued that companies who rate towns for municipal bonds look more favorably on municipalities that have such accounts. The importance of the issue, insisted Haddad, compelled the town to begin its planning as soon as possible.
Groton's unfunded liability comes to $7,150,656.
But with no bond measures on the horizon save that of the new Center Fire Station, Prager felt there was no need for such an account. Instead, he recommended that the town keep control of all of its money until the last extremity or if compelled by law to do otherwise.
Prager also had little to say about the other component of the town's budget, that needed to pay for education.
There, administrators at the Groton-Dunstable Regional School District have submitted a proposed budget for fiscal 2014 that increases overall spending by 2.3 percent with a bottom line of $35,541,942.
The total for fiscal 2013 came to $34,891,906.
"I don't have any problem with the basic budget," said Prager of the school's offering.
Noting that state aid for education seemed to be holding on a level-funded basis, Prager characterized the school budget as "a good thing all around."
With questions for the Country Club and human resources, among others, members looked forward to a special meeting on March 9 to meet with department heads to talk over individual budgets.
Setting an agenda for the all-day affair, committee members also earmarked the Police and Fire Departments, the Public Library, DPW, and the Town Clerk for discussion.
The committee also voted to allow DPW Director Tom Delaney to go into deficit spending in regards to his snow and ice account.
According to Delaney, as of the end of the major snow storm that struck the area at the start of the month, the snow and ice account still had $90,000 remaining. That has likely depleted some since but town accountant Patricia DuFresne confirmed that money remained.
The Finance Committee decided to take a pre-emptive vote allow for deficit spending.


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Around 300 people came out to support Yreka Miner Power Saturday night for an evening of fun that was all for a good cause.
The 18th Annual Hearts of the Miners Dinner-Dance at the Yreka Community Center was bustling before dinner was served as friends mingled about catching up on a variety of topics while bidding on a plethora of delectable desserts, or buying raffle tickets for a number of large gift baskets on display throughout the community center.
The majority of the funds raised for Miner Power each year come from the dinner, said Miner Power President Candice Amens. Saturdays event raised between $13,000 to $15,000 for Miner Power, she said.
It has also become quite a popular night out each year for many folks who enjoy the fun atmosphere the event provides, Amens said. When asked one reason she think the dinner-dance has become so popular, Amens replied, "because it's for the kids and it's a fun evening out."
The non profit organization donates to Miner sports programs and helps pay for things like equipment, team jackets, or helping with meals and rooms when teams have to stay overnight for games and events. In the past year, the group has given out $6,500 worth of college scholarships and spent over $14,600 on Yreka High sports programs.
Items that caught a lot of folks' attention were the number of delectable desserts displayed, which are auctioned off and have become a popular part of the event. One dessert that caught a lot of people's eye was a meticulously done cake that was made to look like a cheeseburger with all works on it, with a side of fries and ketchup. "Oh, look at this," one impressed man said to a friend as they passed by. The cake was made by Wendy Wallace, who said it took around four hours to make, not including baking time.
A popular part of the evening are the gift baskets, which featured a number of desired items. This year, one gift basket included eight tickets to a San Francisco Giants game, Amens said.
John Charles has a son, Christian, who is a member of the Miners baseball team.He said that he's glad there's a group like Miner Power that is there to assist the high school sports programs, especially with budget cuts that school districts like Yreka have to deal with. To Charles, Miner Power "plays an important role" in ensuring Miner athletic programs are properly funded."
Charles said that he enjoys the event each year and the chance to meet and talk to all the parents of athletes at Yreka High and have the chance to get to know them better.
Hearts of the Miners Dinner-Dance held on Saturday
Around 300 people came out to support Yreka Miner Power Saturday night for an evening of fun that was all for a good cause.


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Stephen C. Carr, 66, Augusta, passed away Sunday, Nov. 18, 2012.
Stephen C. Carr, 66, Augusta, passed away Sunday, Nov. 18, 2012.
Visitation 6-8 p.m. Friday, Nov. 23. Service 2 p.m. Saturday, Nov. 24, 2012, at Headley Funeral Chapel, Augusta. Burial will follow at Elmwood Cemetery Augusta.
Stephen was born in El Dorado on March 8, 1946, to the late Eva Jeanette (Clawson) and George Lee Carr. He retired as a heat treat processor from Cessna after 32 years. On Aug. 18, 1967 in Augusta he married Deborah Selvage who survives him.
He is also survived by: sons, David L. Carr and wife Michelle, and Bryan C. Carr, all of Augusta; daughter, Shelly J. McDaniel and husband Matthew of Augusta; brother, Dick Carr of Santa Fe, NM; grandchildren, Contessa Carr, Austin Carr, Paige McDaniel; great-grandchild Alexis Carr.
He was preceded in death by his sister, Clemie Jo Davis.
Memorial donations to American Diabetes Association 600 W. Douglas Ave Wichita, KS 67226.


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The proposed 2013 budget may have spent months down in the Finance Committee, but Smyrna Town Council passed the budget in it's second look as council approved the budget 5-1 Monday night.
Councilwoman Valerie White voted no while Councilman Jeff Flairty wasn't in attendance.
The budget includes a two-cent tax increase, two percent pay raise for most employees, $511,000 to be taken out of a general fund reserve, and $289,000 of anticipated revenue that is considered to be restricted spending until March.
The property tax increase of two-cents per $100 of assessed value puts the property tax at 31 cents, up from last year's property tax rate of 29 cents. A property owner with an assessed property value of $200,000 will see their taxes go up about $40, from $580 to $620 a year.
There wasn't any discussion on the budget at the meeting, but afterwards Mayor Pat Stombaugh said she is happy to process is over.
"I'm very happy because I'm exhausted," Stombaugh said.
The Finance Committee, which Stombaugh is the chair of, has been meeting almost weekly for the past few months. Last week the meeting lasted roughly three hours, most of which was spent discussing the 2013 budget.
After the committee voted against taking $289,000 out of the Rainy Day Fund, town manager Dave Hugg made the suggestion to put a spending restriction on the $289,000 of anticipated revenue. Hugg said by March the end of year numbers should be in and the town will have a better understanding of where the economy is.
The committee had a hard time cutting anything from the budget because of a number of projects and equipment hadn't been done or ordered for years due to the economic hard times. Therefore, the $25.8 million spending plan includes ordering heavy equipment, new positions, and several capital projects such as work to Green Meadows and Greens Branch.
Stombaugh previously said the town has come to a point where they can't continue to push these projects off.
"For a majority of my term as mayor, it's been cut, cut, cut," Stombaugh said. "The citizens have paid for it and the employees have paid for it. Everybody's done their part. I wish we could resolve this without a tax increase but there's stuff we've put off we truly need. We give a service that the citizens pay for and that's what we need to do."


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In the [[Bible]], this is the story of how [[God]] drowned every person on earth with a great flood, sparing only a man named Noah and his family of seven. [[Fundamentalist]]s believe that the story is literally true, and there have been many claims to have found the ark on which Noah and his family sailed.
In the [[Bible]], this is the story of how [[God]] drowned every person on earth with a great flood, sparing only a man named Noah and his family of seven. [[Fundamentalist]]s believe that the story is literally true, and there have been many claims to have found the ark on which Noah and his family sailed.
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In the Bible, this is the story of how God drowned every person on earth with a great flood, sparing only a man named Noah and his family of seven. Fundamentalists believe that the story is literally true, and there have been many claims to have found the ark on which Noah and his family sailed.
The story
The story of Noah's ark is told in Genesis 6:11-8:22 . God sees that the world has become full of evil, and decides to kill everyone on Earth, with the exception of Noah, Noah's unnamed wife, and his three sons and their respective unnamed wives.
God explains to Noah that he is going to flood Earth, and tells him to build an ark. God gives instructions on how to build the ark, what its dimensions should be, and so forth. He also tells Noah to bring representative samples of all living creatures: either one pair of each animal (Genesis 6:19-20 ) or seven of each clean animal (or seven pairs) and two of each unclean animal (Genesis 7:2-3 ).
After the animals have been loaded onto the ark, God sends rain and opens up the "fountains of the great deep" for forty days and forty nights, until the earth is covered with water and every living being has died, except for those on the ark. The floodwaters start subsiding, and a year later the ark rests on "the mountains of Ararat."
Noah releases a raven through the window of the ark, but it can't find any dry land, and keeps flying around until the water subsides. Noah sends out a dove, but it returns, not having found any dry land. A week later, Noah releases the dove again, and this time it returns with an olive leaf in its beak, indicating that the water level is getting low. A week later, he releases the dove again, but it fails to return, and Noah looks out to see that the world has dried out.
- This story assumes that a perfectly loving Omnibenevolent God killed the whole human population including innocent babies and children. A perfectly just God judges that these babies and children deserved death by drowning. A God such as the Christian God should have been able to take a different route rather than killing everyone, and he would have wanted to take practically any other route because he is supposedly omnibenevolent.
- There are millions of known animal species in the world; it would take an impossibly large ship to hold representatives of all species, not to mention food for at least a year.
- Assuming that Noah did not take two of each species, but two of each "kind", that still requires an awfully rapid evolution explosion to account for the biological diversity today. If all creatures on earth were destroyed some five thousand years ago in the Great Flood, it would require incredibly fast evolution to cause, for instance, the dog "kind" to produce both dire wolves and Chihuahuas. If we take a very conservative estimate of 1 million species that descended from creatures on Noah's ark, and assume that 16,000 "kinds" of animal were on the ark, each "kind" would have had to evolve into over 62 species in the 4,000 years since Noah's flood.
- The flood story does not explain the present geographic distribution of species, e.g., how did marsupials wind up in Australia, and only in Australia?
- The story of Noah is not unique. For one, there are several versions of the Noah account itself, passed down and changed over time, with only the latest version being used in the Bible. But even it is derivative of previous flood myths.
- The flood myth in the Epic of Gilgamesh, similar in many respects to that of Noah, is dated as early as 2150 BCE (Sumerian version) with the latest "standard" Akkadian tablets dated between 1,300 and 1,000 BCE.
- The oldest fragments of the Septuagint, which forms the basis of modern version of Genesis in the Bible, is dated to 132 AD with its composition beginning between 300 and 200 BCE. The Wellhausen hypothesis dates the composition of the earliest forms of Genesis to between 950 and 500 BCE.
- Note that this is the dating of the tablets and texts themselves, not of the timeline of the story. The earlier date of composition is a factor in showing the Biblical version of the story to be derivative.
- The Deluge would have meant the resetting of DNA lines for nearly every living thing on earth. All DNA lines should curiously and rapidly narrow to small breeding populations located in the Middle East. Ignoring every other creature on earth, we can say with some confidence, that human DNA lines appear to originate in Africa. Most lines do not appear to have stopped in the middle east 4,000 to 5,000 years ago.
- The Deluge, according to the Ussher chronology, occurred circa 2348 BCE. It should have represented a clear historical breaking point for every civilization around the world. No such breaking point exists. History appears to continue uninterrupted through the flood in every other part of the world.
- Once the animals got off the ark, they would have nothing to eat. All the plants would have died in the flood, so the herbivores would have nothing to eat. The carnivores would wipe them out anyway, and then they would die too.
- Creationists often claim that there were only babies of each species and only seeds of each plant on the ark, but then this would require a time for them to grow. For every ten units of mass on one level of the food chain, only one unit of mass can be created on the next level. That means for a lion, which weighs over 400 pounds, to become fully grown, he needs to eat 4,000 pounds of meat, and that animal would have to eat 40,000 pounds of plant to get that much weight.
- A single worldwide deluge cannot explain the distribution of fossils in the fossil record:
- Radiometric dating, geological layering (both fossils and otherwise), major extinction events, corrosion, and mountain range formation all line up to show the same age. Any argument that attacks a single dating method has to address why all of them show the same thing.
- Even if the dating method is not accepted as accurate (i.e. you don't believe a fossil is 250 million years old), every dating method shows the same relative difference. So to be successful, even an argument that attacks every dating method would have to show why they're all out by the same amount, to account for the agreement over the relative age.
- Given the distribution of fossils, even if fossilization were accelerated under high-pressure water, which it is not, there have still been several times when almost all life has been wiped out (we're talking 50-75% of all species going extinct, not 50-75% of all individual animals dying). No apologist argument addresses all five major extinction events.
- What about the complex ecosystems that would have been destroyed from the flood? All it would have taken is one animal dying and then the other couldn't reproduce and would die, and the animals that require that species alive for any number of reasons would have died, and subsequently would have killed off an entire ecosystem or more. A birth defect would have a remarkable chance of occuring which could have caused an outcome such as this.
- Considering that the waters from around the world would have mixed, the content of salt would have been altered resulting in the sea life being killed worldwide.
- Isn't God all-knowing, and therefore knowing of all possibilities aside from a global flood which killed babies and that required a family to commit incest and their subsequent children to do the same down all generations?
Flood models
Vapor Canopy
This is the Flood Model in which the water was suspended above Earth in ice, liquid water, or water vapor state. At the end of the seven days, it came down to the surface as rain.
If a canopy of more than 40 feet of water were suspended above Earth, atmospheric pressure would skyrocket to 64 times the norm; nitrogen and oxygen would reach toxic levels causing the bends worldwide. If the canopy began as vapor, it would have to be at a minimum of 100 degrees Celsius to remain in a gaseous state. As this heat dispersed, Earth would have been cooked. If the suspended water were in ice form, the gravitational potential energy would also have raised the temperature past the boiling point. Some models have the ice orbiting Earth; if it were not within the ozone layer, UV radiation would have broken them apart.
A canopy thick enough to provide the water for a global flood would have blocked a great deal of sunlight, lowering the temperature greatly.
This model proposes that roughly ten miles below the Earth's surface was a layer of water, and at the end of the seven days, the crust of the earth ruptured and the pressurized water shot out and fell as rains.
Rock (with the exception of pumice) doesn't float, a layer of water below Earth's crust would have been forced to the surface long before the flood. Even a mile deep, the earth is hot enough to boil water. When it did finally come out it would have been superheated, as that heat dispersed throughout the atmosphere the global temperature would have increased dramatically and the ark would be cooked. There is also a large lack of evidence. When the water escaped from the ground, it would have left huge gashes in Earth's crust. Blowing through ten miles of rock is no small task, there should be large holes, and poorly sorted basaltic deposits (Noah also would have had to watch his head for falling rocks). Such formations should be easily visible but we see none.
Kent Hovind proposed that the flood waters came from comets that broke up in the atmosphere and rained water down to Earth.
Any comet large enough to contain all the water needed to flood Earth would have been too large to just break up in the atmosphere, and it would have taken far too many smaller ones for them to all come at Earth at the same time. Comets entering the atmosphere would have been burned up, and the water would be steam.
Runaway Subduction
This flood model proposes that the pre-flood ocean floor sank into the mantle, the heat released caused the plate to melt faster. All the original plate subducted and the new magma raised the ocean floor and boiled off water that then fell as rains. When this magma cooled, the sea floor lowered again and the oceans got deeper. Isostatic rebound formed mountains like the Rocky Mountains and the Andes.
To get the proposed subduction rates, the thermal diffusivity of Earth (how well heat moves through Earth) would have to increase 10,000 fold. Additional miracles are required to cool the new ocean floor in months in stead of the millions of years it should take. Studies estimated that the energy released would be 10^28 joules, more then enough to boil off the oceans. The mantle also would have had to be hotter for this model to work. All this heat would have to be radiated to the surface, and eventually out of the atmosphere.
New ocean basins
This is the model that most others use to explain where the flood water went after the flood. It states that the water became our present day oceans, Earth's topography was much flatter in the time before the flood, and during the flood there was widespread reconstruction of the surface. After the flood the water drained into the new ocean basins.
The heat required to make the crust malleable enough for such widespread reconstruction packed into a few months would require additional miracles. Most sediments are found on high ground. Most sediments are transported with the water until the water slows down. Since it is expected that the water was rushing off the continents and into the basins, there should be much more sediment on the ocean floor, where the water slowed down and deposited to sediment. The opposite is true. With all that water rushing to the lower ground, there should be evidence of large torrents crossing the continents. There are similar marks in Washington when an ice dam broke and a lake drained.
External Links
Logical Inconsistencies
- Torpedo Ye Arke, by Pat James
- The Skeptic's Dictionary
- Nick Gisburne's analysis of Noah's Ark
- "Nelson"'s analysis of the two interwoven, contradictory Flood stories
Biblical Timelines
- About.com Religious Timelines
- The Seventh-day Adventist Theological Seminary Timeline
- Word Sight's Bible Time-line
Historical Timelines
- The Metropolitan Museum of Art historical timeline
- Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago historical timeline
- Infoplease.com Ancient history timeline


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Thursday Night FootballKansas City @ San DiegoHigh winds and soggy turf had a hand in San Diego's offensive ineptitude during last week's embarrassing 7-6 loss at Cleveland, but it was the continuance of mind-boggling mistakes by what appears to be a genuinely bad Chargers team that sealed its fate. There was Ryan Mathews' third-drive fumble. Multiple Philip Rivers throws that should have been picked off. Robert Meachem's highlight-reel third-quarter drop. San Diego's offense has now gone 17 possessions without a touchdown and committed six turnovers during that span, not including two turnovers on downs. Perhaps returning home to face a Chiefs defense allowing the fifth most points in the NFL will spark things? There's just nothing to suggest that in San Diego's last six quarters of action. ... The Chargers at least had a plan in their first game back from the Week 6 bye; they wanted to run the football. Coach Norv Turner called designed runs on 14 of San Diego's first 20 offensive snaps against Cleveland, before the anxiety of being a predictable, one-dimensional team ostensibly got to him and Turner began mixing in pass plays. While the production hasn't overwhelmed, the fact that Mathews has 52 touches over his last two games can give glass-half-full fantasy owners faith that Turner will stay committed to the ground game. The Chiefs rank 23rd against the run and figure to be dead-legged defensively after Darren McFadden went for season highs in rushing, total yardage, and carries against them last week. This is a favorable matchup, but Mathews needs his teammates to generate more ball movement in order to become the high-scoring back he's so capable of being.The Chiefs use Stanford Routt at right cornerback on every defensive snap. He is Kansas City's weaker corner, and opponents regularly pick on him. "We were going to come in and attack him," said Carson Palmer following last week's win. "We had a great game plan coming in and took some shots at him." Routt was victimized on each of Palmer's two Week 8 touchdown passes, in addition to Denarius Moore's 58-yard gain. The tendency of offenses to go after Routt is relevant Thursday night because Malcom Floyd plays the majority of his snaps on Routt's side of the field. ... Free-agent bust Meachem has gone catch-less in three of his last six games. Set to square off with Chiefs top CB Brandon Flowers for most of this one, Meachem isn't a fantasy option. ... I don't think Antonio Gates has lost a step, but there's no doubt that defenses key up to take him away and he's struggling to get open. Gates was targeted four times against the Browns, dropped one, and caught two for 14 yards. Gates will match up with Chiefs SS Eric Berry on Thursday, and Berry has been a major coverage liability all year. ... 26th in fantasy QB scoring, Rivers has fallen off to the point that he's just two-quarterback league material. Kansas City's defense has a 15:5 TD-to-INT ratio against and allows the most yards per pass attempt in the AFC (8.7). For Rivers, the matchup is right. His recent performance suggests he could easily turn in another dud.
Wednesday Update: With Meachem (hamstring) added to Wednesday's injury report as questionable and slot receiver Eddie Royal (hamstring) listed as doubtful, the Chargers may be forced to turn to Danario Alexander and Seyi Ajirotutu in three-wide sets opposite Floyd.The soon-to-be-fired clowns running the show in Kansas City got Jamaal Charles the ball eight times in last week's loss to Oakland. He had five runs and three receptions. "I would love for Jamaal Charles to have five carries (again)," Chargers OLB Shaun Phillips said this week. "He's their best player." Logical thinkers might anticipate Chiefs coaches fixing the problem in their next game, although NFL coaching staffs don't always operate logically. So we'll just have to see. The Chiefs and Chargers played in Week 4 this year, and Charles shredded San Diego for 111 yards, a 5.18 YPC average, and two touchdowns. There is some silver lining to last week's workload; Charles will have fresh legs Thursday night. ... Peyton Hillis and Shaun Draughn rotated in behind Charles against the Raiders. Neither Hillis nor Draughn has standalone value, but they can be drains on Charles' if playcaller Brian Daboll attempts to stick with a committee. ... Dexter McCluster lined up in the backfield and at slot receiver versus Oakland, gaining 69 yards on eight touches and scoring from ten yards out in fourth-quarter garbage time. McCluster had two catches for six yards in the aforementioned Chiefs-Chargers game. McCluster is a checkdown option for Matt Cassel and offers little to no standard-league fantasy appeal. He would be a desperation WR3 in PPR. The clown show confirmed this week that Brady Quinn remains Kansas City's starting quarterback when healthy, but Cassel will start Thursday because Quinn hasn't received medical clearance to return from his concussion. Last week's three-catch, 65-yard game was discouraging, but Dwayne Bowe's average stat line when Cassel has played the majority of Kansas City's snaps this season is 6/78 with three TDs in six games. Bowe had seven catches for 108 yards and a touchdown in the Week 4 game. Quinn got Bowe the ball three times for 25 scoreless yards in his lone full start. Bowe is a virtual lock for year-long inconsistency because his quarterback situation is unreliable regardless of who's under center, but fantasy owners should be hard pressed to bench him at San Diego. ... Tony Moeaki made a couple of nice catches down the seam and sideline against the Raiders, but he's yet to clear 60 yards in a game this season and still hasn't found pay dirt. San Diego has also been stingy against tight ends (25th-most fantasy points allowed). ... Jon Baldwin and Steve Breaston continue to rotate at the receiver position across from Bowe. Breaston hasn't so much as caught a pass in over a month. Baldwin plays more snaps, but averages 29 yards a game.Score Prediction: Chargers 21, Chiefs 16


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MORGANTOWN, W. Va. – A year ago in mid-October, West Virginia thought it had the Big 12 Conference all figured out. The Mountaineers grabbed headlines with a 70-63 shootout victory over Baylor in its Big 12 debut and then traveled to Austin, giving Texas its first loss of the season.
And then, the season came apart like a cardboard box in a downpour. The 5-0 start was canceled by a five-game losing streak. West Virginia's defense was gashed for 248 points in those four losses. Victories over Iowa State and Kansas put the Mountaineers in the post-season but they lost to former Big East Conference foe Syracuse in the Pinstripe Bowl.
"Everything just went downhill last year," senior safety Darwin Cook said. "All that last year, I don't even want to talk about it anymore."
But last year happened.
"Yeah, reality," sophomore wide receiver K.J. Myers admitted.
Last year's over-the-edge plunge provides the starting point for this season.
"The seniors, we're putting the onus ourselves," Cook said. "We talk all the time. We're the type of team where we can get on each other. If you see somebody mess up, cuss 'em out. Say anything. Get me going. I might be mad but I'm gonna make a play. I feel like that's the type of team we've got this year."
Cook is one of seven returning starters on a defensive unit that finished last in the Big 12 allowing 38.1 points per game. While the offense will be missing play makers like quarterback Geno Smith plus receivers Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey, the defense needs to show considerable improvement.
"Our senior leaders, we experienced a bad season last year," senior defensive end Will Clarke said. "We want to prove to ourselves and to the nation that we're a better team. The seniors know that it's our last year in college football. We want to show the younger guys what it takes to win at this level."
For the Mountaineers, what is past is past. But the trials and tribulations of last season created a humble and hungry team.
"That gives us a chip on our shoulder, a big chip," said Myers, who wants to step forward and become the team's top receiver this season. "That makes us practice harder and work. We know how the season can turn and we definitely don't want to have a season like that this year."
Three-Man QB Race
West Virginia coach Dana Holgorsen has a reputation of developing productive quarterbacks. Going into this season, he needs to pick one of three candidates to replace the prolific Geno Smith.
Redshirt freshman Ford Childress, junior Paul Millard and redshirt junior transfer Clint Trickett have been getting an equal number of snaps so far in practice. Trickett transferred last spring from Florida State where he played in 17 games and made two starts. He has more game experience than Childress or Millard but less experience in West Virginia's system.
"We're close to figuring that out," Holgorsen said of choosing a starter. "Millard and Ford have elevated their game. I think they've gotten better, which isn't making our job any easier. Those decisions are not easy. ... It affects kids' lives. These are guys that are working hard, and someone is going to be the guy and somebody is not. It's hard to deal with if you're not the guy."
Quick Slants
* A possible measuring stick for West Virginia's defense this season is provided by cornerbacks coach Brian Mitchell. He says that the keys to slowing the Big 12's explosive offenses is forcing turnovers, get nine tackles for loss per game and limit the opposition to less than 100 yards rushing per game.
* Problems at cornerback were probably the biggest reason the West Virginia defense struggled last season. Improvement at the position took a hit when sophomore Nana Kyeremeh had to undergo shoulder surgery and will miss the season. He played in all 13 games last season.
* West Virginia's offensive line is in a state of flux. The Mountaineers have to replace three starters, including center Joey Madsen. In Holgorsen's offense, the center has to perfect the shotgun snap. Redshirt freshman Tyler Orlosky will likely be the starter. WVU also has a new offensive line coach in Ron Crook, who last season was at Stanford. Crook replaced Bill Bedenbaugh, who was hired to be the o-line coach at Oklahoma.
Coach Dana Holgorsen on running back Charles Sims, who is eligible to play for the Mountaineers after transferring from Houston:
"He's a good player. He's very well rounded. His ball skills are good. He's setting up blocks, and he's a good team player. He's got an abundance of ability and a great attitude. He's fitting in really well with the team. I'm extremely glad that he's here. Sims could be our best inside (slot) receiver right now."
Senior defensive lineman Shaq Rowell:
"If you want to be a good defense, you've got to have a nasty mindset. We have to be nasty or we're going to get the same results as last year."
Junior Kevin White on the talent at the wide receiver position:
"Let them keep sleeping on us. We just want to come out and surprise them. Keep working hard. We don't really care what they think, what they say. We know what we've got, so we're just ready to go. I think we've got it all, just got to connect the pieces to the puzzle. We're going to shock a lot of people."


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A-W drops baseball, softball openers; Stark County handles Boiler Girls
HS Baseball
Erie-Prophetstown 8
Annawan-Wethersfield 4,
The Titans opened the 2013 season with a loss on their home diamond to the Panthers Thursday.
"It showed," said A-W coach Jeff Parsons of his team's first trip outside this spring, "but E-P is going to win a ton of ballgames. We were just glad to get outside — win, lose or draw."
E-P drew first blood, turning a leadoff triple into the game's first run in the top of the third. The Titans answered in the bottom half, with Trey Hannam scoring on a Tyler Litton double to knot the score 1-1.
The Panthers regained the lead, on the strength of consecutive RBI singles to right field, 4-1 in the top of the fourth.
E-P tacked on four insurance runs in the top of the seventh, and ended up needing that cushion as the Titans mounted a rally in their last at-bat.
Litton delivered another RBI double, followed by a run-scoring groundout from Kegan Jacobson and an RBI single by Zach VanWassenhove to trim the deficit to 8-4. But E-P freshman hurler Jordan Chandler ended the game with a pair of strikeouts to preserve the win.
Chandler was the winning pitcher, while Trevor Lay took the loss for A-W.
Litton, Hannam and VanWassenhove accounted for all six of A-W's hits with two apiece.
Parsons scattered the pitching duties Thursday with Matt Jenkins starting and throwing two innings, Litton throwing two innings, and Cody Phillips, Lay and Tony Gripp pitching one each.
"I knew they would be tough to open with, but we were just so glad to be out on the diamond," said Parsons. "Now we've got conference coming up and usually we have 10 games under our belt, and now we have one. It's off to West Prairie Saturday."
"We'll be better. That was a good team that beat us and they put the ball in play," said Parsons. "One game does not define a year."
HS Softball
Erie-Prophetstown 10,
Annawan-Wethersfield 9
The host Panthers forced extra innings with one run in the bottom of the seventh, and pushed across the game-winning run in the bottom of the ninth Thursday at Erie.
Kailynn Osborne put Annawan-Wethersfield in front 9-8 with a three-run double in the top of the seventh, but the Lady Titans couldn't hold the lead.
Morgan VanHyfte led A-W with three hits, followed by Osborne, Celina VanHyfte, Megan Foes and Kaila Dunfee with two hits each.
In addition to Osborne's three RBI, knocking in runs for the Lady Titans were Morgan VanHyfte, Celina VanHyfte, Foes and Rachael Peterson with one apiece.
Morgan VanHyfte and Celina VanHyfte scored two runs each for A-W.
Stark County 8,
Kewanee 2
Elizabeth Hippen excelled at the plate and on the mound for the Lady Rebels Thursday in Wyoming.
Hippen had two hits and knocked in two runs, and tossed a complete game with 13 strikeouts in the season opener for both teams.
Kewanee took the lead 2-1 in the top of the third with RBIs from Paige Reeser and Ashley Folgers, but the Lady Rebels regained the lead for good with four runs in the bottom half of the inning to make it 5-2.
Stark County tacked on a run in the fifth and two more in the sixth to seal the win.
Chelsea Knobloch had two hits for the Lady Rebels, and Alysa Kohler knocked in a run.
Folger and Jenifer Ensley had two hits each for the Boiler Girls.
Reeser took the loss for Kewanee, allowing seven hits and walking four in six innings of work.
Hippen allowed six hits and walked two en route to the victory.


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TEMPE, Ariz. -- The Buffs felt like they deserved all of the national attention they received on Friday.
After all, as soon as Sabatino Chen's 3-pointer went in at the end of regulation on Thursday night it appeared that Colorado was:
Celebrating the program's first road victory over a top-five opponent since an 81-79 overtime win at Missouri on Jan. 15, 1973.
Beginning a conference season with a road victory for the first time since an 80-56 win at Oklahoma State on Jan. 4, 1969.
Handing No. 3 Arizona its first loss of the season in the key Pac-12 opener for both conference contenders.
Instead, a sleepless Tad Boyle appeared on SportsCenter and radio talk-shows discussing the controversial removal of Chen's decisive points by the officials.
Verne Harris, a veteran official who has worked 41 NCAA Tournament games, including two national championships, originally signaled that Chen's basket was a good.
After looking at a video replay at the McKale Center, Harris reversed the call.
"He had it on his fingertips," official James Breeding said at the scorer's table before the overtime began.
CU's dramatic 83-80 victory quickly turned into an agonizing 92-83 defeat.
"It's deflating," Chen said. "But the next step for our team is we've got to bounce back from something like that. Anything can happen, especially on the road. As a young team, we've got to grow up. We took big steps (Thursday). That's the next step, just grow up when facing adversity."
The young Buffs (10-3, 0-1) will try to follow the lead of their only senior and also from their head coach.
Boyle, who says he would like to see instant replay removed from sports, is now asking his players to hit the fast-forward button.
CU tried to leave the baggage behind as it took a bus to Tempe, Ariz., on Friday and practiced at the Wells Fargo Center, where the visitors will try to salvage the road trip against Arizona State on Sunday (6 p.m., Pac-12 Network).
"It really doesn't matter what I think. All that matters is how we handle it and move on from it," Boyle said. "The important thing is not what happened. The important thing is how we react to it."
CU assistant Tom Abatemarco reacted on Twitter:
"You can't give them a chance to screw ya. We did our bad!" Abatemarco wrote, referring to CU's late-game mistakes that allowed the Wildcats' dramatic comeback from 10 points down in the final two minutes.
Former Arizona player Kyryl Natyahzko used the hashtag #thankyourefs in his Twitter feed.
Chen tweeted: "Ball Don't Lie."
Pac-12 officials coordinator Ed Eush released a statement defending the decision to disallow Chen's basket.
"Game officials reviewed video replays of the end of regulation in accordance with NCAA playing rules and determined the ball was still on the shooters' fingertips when the official game clock on the floor expired," Rush said. "Per conference protocol, the officials conducted a thorough review court side and viewed multiple angles of the play before confirming the ruling.
"I have reviewed the video replays and agree with the ruling."
Before Arizona's practice on Friday -- the Wildcats (13-0), off to their best start in 82 years thanks in part to the call, host Utah today at the scene of what CU fans believe was a crime -- head coach Sean Miller told the Arizona Daily Star:
"Sometimes it's not clear who's right and who's wrong, and I think in this case that's probably the case."
There were plenty of other correctable issues that went wrong for the Buffs, who squandered a 17-point lead by missing 12 free throws, giving the Wildcats 12 points off of turnovers and also yielding 17 second-chance points as Arizona won the battle of the boards 44-33.
"It was a great game, we played our hearts out, and for us to not come out with the win is just heartbreaking," said freshman forward Xavier Johnson, who made his first start for Boyle, scoring 13 points and grabbing six rebounds in 38 minutes. "We just have to recuperate, come back against ASU, and play as hard as we can."
The CU players blew off some steam in practice and then took in the Phoenix Suns' home game against Alec Burks' Utah Jazz on Friday night.
Boyle wrapped up a long 24 hours by watching 2013 recruit Jaron Hopkins play for Dobson High School in Mesa, Ariz.
"It's over," said Askia Booker, who had 18 points, five assists and two turnovers against Arizona. "It is what it is. They called it no good."
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Wednesday's highs should reach about 40 in Boulder under partly sunny skies, according to the National Weather service. But with breezy winds in the 13 mph to 23 mph, gusting as high as 34 mph, the wind chill could be as low as zero. Tonight, temperatures fall to about 26.
The few inches of snow that fell on Boulder late Monday night and early Tuesday boosted the season's total to 24.5 inches.Winter sports aficionados welcomed the snow, as a mild winter has left Boulder almost 3 feet short of the total accumulation at this time last year, according to meteorologist Matt Kelsch, of the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research.
The storm dropped 2.9 inches of snow in Boulder, 4 inches in Louisville and just 1 inch in Nederland, Kelsch reported Tuesday.
Nonprofit ski industry trade organization Colorado Ski Country USA reported that all of the state's 21 ski and snowboard resorts received new snow, though the Front Range got the least of it. While resorts such as Steamboat, Powderhorn and Sunlight all reported at least 20 inches, Arapahoe Basin, Copper Mountain and Eldora all had fewer than 6 inches of snow.
For area ski rental companies, it was a small lift in an otherwise slow season. Earlier this month, Colorado Ski Country reported that from Oct. 17 through Dec. 31, 2012, there were 11.5 percent fewer total skiers than over that same period in 2011.
"It's been a tough year," said Lawrence Brewster, manager of Boulder's Crystal Ski Shop. "We're not concerned, but we're definitely tightening our belts."
The drought that Kelsch says threatens to leave Boulder well short of the season (September-May) average of 90.7 inches likely will continue.
"There aren't any forecasts right now of it ending anytime soon," Kelsch said.
February and March historically have accounted for more than 25 inches of snowfall, giving Boulder plenty of time to catch up. Last February alone accounted for more than 32 inches.
Sean Maher, executive director of Downtown Boulder Inc., said less snow is generally good for downtown retailers -- but only to a certain point.
"I think if it continues into a yearlong drought situation, it's going to start to impact tourism," Maher said. "The warm weather is a good thing, because people come out and walk the streets, but if it turns into a serious drought, then that's not good for anybody."


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Coming off a big win over Grinnell earlier in the week, the Luther women's tennis team returned home to face Coe. The Norse were once again up to the task in doubles, grabbing a 2-1 edge on the Kohawks, but were unable to close the deal in singles, falling 5-4 in a close match.
Maggie Helms and Caroline Treis tallied the first point of the day for the Norse at No. 1 doubles where the duo lead Coe's Tai Lucero and Tamara Washington by a 5-2 margin before Washington had to retire due to injury. The Kohawks leveled the match at 1-1 when Laura Birky and Sarah Lasecki rallied to knock off Luther's Lola White-Baer and Hailey Johnson at No. 2 by an (8-6) mark. The Norse went back in front when Jenna Myers and Olivia Heitz held off Jordan Ferree and Elizabeth Hoffmann for an (8-6) win at No. 3 doubles.
Luther extended its lead to 3-1 when Myers breezed past Hoffmann (6-0, 6-1) at No. 5 singles. Coe then countered with a win of its own at No. 1 singles where Lucero beat White-Baer (6-2, 6-1) to make it 3-2 in favor of the Norse. Birky rallied for the second time on the day, edging Treis (1-6, 6-2, (10-6)) at No. 4 to level the match. Coe then went in front for the first time all day when Amy Sebastian held off a late charge from Helms to hold on for a (6-3, 6-4) win at No. 2. Diannah Watson clinched the match with a (7-6 (5), 6-4) win against Heitz at No. 6. Adriana DePaolis scored the final point for the Norse with a (7-6 (3), 6-3) win over Ferree at No. 3 singles.
The Norse are now 4-3 overall this season.
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The second day of the trial of the man accused of killing three people in Stoutland in 2010 started with testimonies of friends and family members of the defendant, Morris McCabe.
The second day of the trial of the man accused of killing three people in Stoutland in 2010 started with testimonies of friends and family members of the defendant, Morris McCabe.
McCabe's longtime friend and the person he was living with during the time of the murders, Homer Reid, took the stand on Tuesday morning. Reid told the prosecutor that he knew McCabe since they were age 6 or 8. They had grown up together and were in the same grade in school.
Reid lives in Lebanon and allowed McCabe to stay in an RV parked next to his home in 2010 and let him stay inside his home during winter 2010 along with Jim Carter.
Reid told the prosecution that McCabe stayed with him after he and Vicki Bell, McCabe's girlfriend around the time of the murders, "got into it." Reid said that McCabe mentioned the altercation on Nov. 26 to him and when Reid asked if he hurt her, he received no response. Reid said that McCabe hung his head and didn't respond.
On Dec. 2, Reid said that McCabe picked him up from work around 2 p.m. and then around 4 or 5 p.m. said that he needed to go to Bell's house to water the horses and check the mail. Reid remembers him leaving in Bell's car. Reid was unsure of McCabe's return because he was asleep.
Reid did recall waking up when McCabe returned. He said that McCabe told him that he wanted to eat something, shower and do laundry. Reid said that he let him do what he needed to and went on to bed.
Phone records show that a call from Reid's cell phone was received by Vicki Bell around 8:19 that evening. Reid seemed to have no recollection of the call while in court. He even said that McCabe could have called from his phone. The prosecution pointed out that the record showed that a call from Reid's phone was also received by McCabe's phone about two minutes before the call to Vicki. Reid still seemed to have no recollection of making the calls but did not dispute the phone records.
Reid was at his residence when McCabe was arrested on Dec. 4. He remembered being called outside by law enforcement. McCabe was contained on the ground by officers according to Reid. When McCabe went to stand up, Reid said black gloves fell from his pocket. McCabe asked him to pick them up but law enforcement told him not to.
"When someone is pointing a gun at you, you aren't going to move no matter what your best buddy says," Reid told the court.
The gloves became a key item of question as the day went on. According to Reid, he remembered seeing the gloves fall out of McCabe's pocket but did not pick them up.
Missouri Highway Patrol Investigator David Rice described McCabe's arrest as "a little chaotic and intense."
Rice also recalled seeing the gloves but said that he did not take them into custody himself.
The gloves in question have become a critical piece of evidence for the prosecution. The gloves contained McCabe's DNA and, allegedly, Sally Amos' blood.
Now the question is where did the gloves come from?
James Hosea, Corrections Officer with the Laclede County Jail, booked McCabe when he was brought in by Trooper Steven Cunningham of the Missouri Highway Patrol. Hosea removed McCabe's coat in order to conduct fingerprinting. While in court, he testified that he remembers patting down the coat searching for contraband. He felt something in the right hand pocket. He said that he pulled the item out slightly to make sure it was not a weapon or contraband and placed the item back in the pocket. He identified the item as the two gloves.
"It was an unknown object. I had to identify that it was not contraband," Hosea said.
Hosea did not write a report or inventory the items. He said that reports were not a part of his job. He said that he gathered the items and gave them to Detective Robert Finley.
He later disclosed this information to Keedy when looking through evidence. He said that when he saw the jacket, he then remembered finding the gloves in the pocket.
The prosecution pointed out that the bag holding all of McCabe's clothing items seemed to have been cut open at some point. Officers on the stand did not have an answer as to how that had happened.
Other witnesses testified about seeing McCabe the night of the murders.
McCabe's former sister in law, Linda Myers testified that she had lent him her van the night of Dec. 2, 2010. Myers recalled McCabe coming to her home around 7 p.m. Thursday night asking to borrow her van because according to him there was a plumbing problem at his girlfriend's place.
Myers told him that she needed the van back by 11 p.m.
A later witness identified as Laura Whitten, daughter of Linda Myers and niece of Morris McCabe confirmed her mother's story of McCabe coming to borrow the van. Whitten recalls seeing McCabe wearing jeans, a t-shirt, leather jacket and black gloves when he came for the van. She described his demeanor as "a little nervous, ansy and kind of amped up."
Whitten said that he returned the van and kept apologizing to Myers saying that it took him longer than expected.
Whitten had told police earlier during a recorded interview that she was in the bedroom with her children when he returned and that she could hear him but did not see him. While on the stand on Tuesday she said that she now remembers hugging him goodbye and remembers him slapping his gloves against his hands while apologizing.
Whitten was unclear on the exact time of his return.
"I wasn't sure on the time. It has been almost three years," she said.
Current husband of Linda Myers, Marlan Myers, took the witness stand for a brief time. He said that he talked to McCabe off and on since his release from prison before the murders occurred. He remembered talking to McCabe on the phone approximately a few weeks before the incident. Myers told the prosectution that McCabe asked if he had a firearm and said that he may need to use one because he "had a problem with an old boy."
Later Myers recalled McCabe coming to his house for a firearm but Myers told him that he didn't have one.
Steven Henry, friend of the deceased, Donald Myers and Donald Young, also took the stand. Henry lives in Stoutland and had known Myers and Young for years. He remembered seeing Donald Young the morning of Dec. 2 at his shop in town. Young told him that he was going out to Myers's that evening for dinner.
Later that night, Henry's brother had stopped by his home and needed a tool. The pair drove into Stoutland to get the tool that was needed. On their way into town, they passed Myers's home. Henry distinctly remembers seeing a "light color van" parked near Myers's home. The van was facing the house trailer and had the right side passenger door open according to Henry. Henry said he thought he passed the home sometime between 7:30 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. the night of Dec. 2.
He did not look at the home on his way back so he could not say if the van was there when he returned home. The next morning, he recalled Myers's mother calling him saying she could not reach Myers and asked Henry to stop by his place and ask him to call her. When Henry reached Myers's home on the morning of Friday, Dec. 3, he saw yellow police tape surrounding the trailer. His friend, Jerry Neal, was there and told him of the deaths when he arrived.
Henry did not tell law enforcement of the van he had seen until March 2013. He said he wanted to see if the van was significant so he stepped forward.
McCabe's trial is set to continue on Wednesday.


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Larry Sargent, 73, of Meadville, Mo., died Tuesday, Jan. 22, 2013, at his home.
Larry Richard was born July 1, 1939, in Meadville, Mo., the son of Arthur and Frances (Cloud) Sargent. On Oct. 14, 1961, he married Beverly Ann Molloy, who preceded him in death Nov. 1, 2001.
Larry was a graduate of Meadville R-IV High School. He was a self-employed carpenter.
He was a member of the First Baptist Church in Meadville.
He is survived by his children, Paula Fairchild and husband Tony, and Mike Sargent and wife Kathy, all of Meadville, Mo.; five grandchildren, Katie O'Dell and husband Doug, Blue Springs, Mo., Kaci Sargent, Kellie Sargent, Kennedi Fairchild and Karlin Fairchild, all of Meadville, Mo.; two sisters, Marjorie Brobst and Ethel Thompson and husband Donald, all of Chillicothe, Mo.; three sisters-in-law, Barbara DeVaul and husband Richard, Meadville, Mo., and Willadean Stirling and Lois White, both of Brookfield, Mo.; a brother-in-law, Mack Molloy and wife Lisa, Carrollton, Mo.; and his mother-in-law, Betty Molloy, Meadville, Mo.
He was preceded in death by his parents; his wife; four brothers, Harry Sargent, Raymond Sargent, Charles Sargent, and Harold White; and two sisters, Dorothy Thieme and Ruth Sargent.
A funeral service will be held Saturday, Jan. 26, 2013, at 10:30 a.m., at the First Baptist Church in Meadville, with Rev. Keith Sisney officiating. Burial will be in Meadville Cemetery. The family will receive friends Friday, Jan. 25, 2013, at the church, from 5:30 to 7:30 p.m.
Memorials to Meadville Cemetery or Meadville Community Center may be left at the church or mailed to Wright-Baker-Hill Funeral Home, P.O. Box 496, Brookfield, MO 64628.
Arrangements are under the direction of Wright-Baker-Hill Funeral Home, Brookfield, Mo.
Meadville resident Larry Sargent, 73, died Tuesday, Jan. 22, 2013
Larry Sargent, 73, of Meadville, Mo., died Tuesday, Jan. 22, 2013, at his home.


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CORAL GABLES, Fla. - Tied 2-2 after three innings, the Duke baseball team shut out No. 24 Miami the rest of the way as the Blue Devils opened their ACC schedule with a 4-2 win over the Hurricanes Friday evening at Alex Rodriguez Park at Mark Light Field.
Sophomore Trent Swart (2-0) scattered seven hits over six innings to earn his second win of the season. The lefty from Carlsbad, Calif., struck out six and did not allow an extra base hit in the contest.
Junior Robert Huber pitched two scoreless innings in relief, striking out five of the six batters he faced, before giving way to sophomore Andrew Istler in the ninth. Istler induced a double play ball and grounder to short to pick up his third save of the season. In total, Duke's pitching staff recorded a combined 11 strikeouts and did not issue a walk while also limiting Miami's 3-7 hitters to a 2-for-20 night.
"I thought we threw great," said head coach Chris Pollard. "Seven hits over nine innings against a team that's hitting over .300, and 11 strikeouts ... but the big statistic is no walks. That's now one walk over our last 18 innings. When we do that, we give ourselves a chance to win the ball game."
The Blue Devil offense churned out a season-high-tying 13 hits, including seven with two outs. Three Duke players recorded multiple hits in the game, led by freshman Kenny Koplove's 3-for-5 outing.
"You can't underestimate how important it was to extend those innings, even the innings we didn't score," said Pollard. "By extending the inning, we got [Chris] Diaz out of there after six and we had a good approach against him. If we do a good job of extending innings like that, we give ourselves a chance to score a lot of runs."
Miami starter Chris Diaz (1-1) took the loss for the Hurricanes, allowing four runs on a career-high 11 hits.
Duke took an aggressive approach from the start as second baseman Andy Perez singled on the first pitch of the game. Perez, who was 2-for-4 with a run scored, advanced to second on a Jeff Kremer grounder to second, bringing junior Mike Rosenfeld to the plate. Rosenfeld proceeded to double down the right field line and took third base after the Miami right fielder bobbled the ball. Rosenfeld would later score on a groundball to short to put the Blue Devils up 2-0 in the first.
Miami wasted little time responding, plating a run in the bottom of the first. Left fielder Ricky Eusebio and second baseman Alex Hernandez both singled to the right side to put runners at the corners with no outs. Perez made a great diving stop up the middle to get the first out at second, but Eusebio was able to cross the plate on the play. Swart then induced the groundout from first baseman David Thompson and got Brad Fieger looking to end the inning.
The Hurricanes would tie the game at 2-2 in the bottom of the third as center fielder Dale Carey beat out a high chopper to second base to start the inning. Carey then stole second before Hernandez brought him home with a single to right center.
Duke was able to retake the lead, 3-2, in the top of the fifth. Rosenfeld picked up his second hit of the day with a single up the middle to lead off the frame. Duke's starting catcher advanced to second on a grounder to third before first baseman Chris Marconcini beat out an infield single to put runners at the corners. Rosenfeld would later score on a fielder's choice to make it a 3-2 game.
The Blue Devils added an insurance run in the sixth as Koplove began a two-out rally with a single to right and Perez beat out an infield single to short to extend the inning. Kremer registered the RBI, scoring Koplove with a base hit to make it 4-2 in favor of the Blue Devils.
The two-run lead proved to be enough as Huber and Istler did not allow a Miami hit over the final three innings.
Game two of the series will take place at 7 p.m., Saturday at Alex Rodriguez Park at Mark Light Field.


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The combined heating effect of human-emitted greenhouse gases increased 1.5 percent between 2012 and 2013, according to an index maintained by scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Boulder.
The 1.5 percent increase, announced Friday, brings the total increase in such gases added to the atmosphere to 34 percent since 1990.
The data is tracked through NOAA's Annual Greenhouse Gas Index, maintained by the Global Monitoring Division of the Boulder-based Earth System Research Laboratory at NOAA.
The latest data on the AGGI was released Friday by Jim Butler, director of the Global Monitoring Division, in Vienna where he is participating at the annual meeting of the European Geosciences Union.
"The significance is that it's an annual reminder that the warming influence of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere continues to rise as we continue to emit greenhouse gases, and it can take a long time to recover from what we're seeing, should we choose to go that direction," Butler said in a phone interview.
Reversing the continuing trend — the last decade has seen steady increases of 1.4 to 1.5 percent — won't be easy. The Kyoto Protocol, which the United States has declined to ratify, set as a goal reducing greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels.
The latest data shows the trends continuing to move in the other direction, which Butler said will continue to turn up the dial on Earth's "electric blanket."
"It will take a while to get back already," Butler said, "simply because some of these gases are very long-lived. The chlorofluorocarbons are already declining, but one of them has a lifetime of 120 years and the other is around 50 years.
"And much of the carbon dioxide that has already been emitted is going to remain in the atmosphere for a very, very long time."
Carbon dioxide is the largest greenhouse gas contributing factor to climate change, calculated to be responsible for 87 percent of the past year's increase.
Researchers from the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences at the University of Colorado team with NOAA scientists to produce the index and assist in sampling air and data analysis. The index provides scientists and policy-makers information used for developing a better understanding of climate change in the present day, as well as its possible future impacts on society.
'We actually know what to do'
Friday's updating of the greenhouse gas index comes little more than a month after a report, also from NOAA's Global Monitoring Division, that carbon dioxide levels at its Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii — considered a global benchmark monitoring site — had reached 400 parts per million in mid-March, two months earlier than it had done so in 2013.
They continued to top the 400 ppm mark through much of April and are forecast to continue at historically high levels into early June, at which point they should diminish as vegetation in the Northern Hemisphere begins to absorb carbon dioxide during the growing season.
"These increases that we're seeing are close to 100 percent manmade," said Pieter Tans, a senior scientist in NOAA's Global Monitoring Division.
"We actually know what to do, broadly, but we're not doing anything much," Tans said, noting that carbon dioxide already in the oceans and Earth's atmosphere will not disappear "for thousands of years."
"If we want to avoid catastrophic climate change, it is imperative that we bring these emissions to zero — not immediately, but we must get there. We need to cut emissions in half in a decade or two, and then we need to keep at that until we bring them down to zero."
Tans said the "good news" is that other countries, such as Sweden and Germany, are already showing that emissions can be cut through steps such as using high-efficiency light bulbs and construction of energy-efficient buildings that require less heating in winter and less cooling in summer.
"The beauty is that if you do this kind of thing, it creates jobs," Tans said. "Isn't that what you want? It's a jobs program with a very beneficial long-term outcome. It's a positive investment in our long-term future."
Contact Camera Staff Writer Charlie Brennan at 303-473-1327 or email@example.com.