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Does anyone have a good example of a manifold heater, and do they work? Any photos, descriptions, or other experience appreciated.
I have been wondering the same thing. I am hoping to be able to heat my Tudor for winter driving here in Ohio.
I have a cast iron, waffle type on our 1919 Centerdoor with a small, adjustable floor register that my wife can kick open and closed with her toes. Works great ! I'll try and get a couple photos tomorrow for you all.
There are previous threads with pictures. Here are some links :
I've got one that I picked up at a auction this fall that is a cast iron manifold with fins on it. It has holes for a shroud to cover it, but the shroud is missing and the threads might clean up, but I'm not sure. It was worth the 5 bucks that I paid it just for conversation. I'll try to make it up into the woods (where it is stored) and take a photo this weekend.
There was a post some time back where someone was working on reproductions of this heater. Does anyone remember who it was that was doing it and has anyone heard about any progress lately? I would be interested in buying one if/when they become available.
Bob Scherzer
Thanks Seth, I just looked back and then sent Bob an e mail to ask for some update on the project. Guess I should have done that first before asking the question.
Hope you are doign well and wishing you and yours a Very Blessed and Merry Christmas.
I have one of those T manifold style heater manifolds for sale similar to an A, sheet metal part gone, EXCELLENT threads, check out FORDBARN a few days back, we lost electric here Sat a.m., didn't get it till Tues p.m., LOTS of ICE, but as I snowplow, and spread salt it helps with $$$.
Thanks Tom! To you and yours the same!
Sorry for not getting this heater project to the final stages. I did make up the rectangular floor grate like the Kunkel vent with a closing vent door but the final position in the floor had it right next the heel panel on my 22 coupe which I was using to check position. At that point I started to rework the floor vent design going with a circular one, still not cast, just a wooden pattern so far.
You start to see why a lot of these early accessories are found in their original boxes, since they never really worked correctly and never sold which might have been the problem with this design.
However, the one that was on ebay and on the cars of Tim's and Alan's which are shown in the first articles is probably a better design. The use of metal flex tubing will allows placing both a vent in the front and back of a two seater or a single vent in a single seater plus the position of the vent can be varied by just cutting the tubing to length or sliding the end castings to a position desired.
Problem with doing projects like this is the amount of time required. You can spend a couple days working on patterns, casting and machining on a design only to have it not work in the final test. Couple that with all the hoopla over poor reproductions and transactions gone bad and so not wanting to get on that list I have stopped trying to do anymore new T projects and am staying with just ones that have sold and that don't have any major problems to speak of. Bob
If heat is more important than authenticity, home improvement stores sell flexible aluminum gas furnace vent (not the aluminum dryer vent - big difference). That, some tin snips, a scroll saw, and a small decorative floor vent should do the trick. I'm planning something like this using a spare floorboard to preserve the original, possibly with a 6-volt fan if I can find one. The whole thing could be easily pulled out for summer, restoring the original floorboard.
I wonder, does anybody just use a small propane tent type heater of any kind. It could just be set on the rear floor, maybe in a temp type bracket in winter or something to that effect. Something portable, and easily removed. Just used in really cold weather. Just thinking outloud.
something like this:
tim, my TT has enough vent holes in the floor around the pedals, etc, that all I gotta do is have a warm engine!
You guys just have your T's too airtight!
see this item # on ebay or anything similar... cheap and isn't flammable.
If you need 6V, then I would suggest you upconvert using a DC to DC converter.
Does anybody remember "The Real McCoys" with Walter Brennan, they had a Model A Phaeton. One show they talked about putting a bucket of Hot coals on the floor board.
The 22 coupe had a cast iron sleeve that clamps onto the exhaust pipe & goes up to a floor register, I removed it because, out here, you could have baked bread with the windows open.
Tim, in days of yore, I have been known to use a Coleman gas lantern, got warm, but too much glare and light, I have also used the propane heaters in vehicles and farm and construction machinery, I am sure it would kill you in a vehicle that was pretty tight, but I never had one of those, Merry Christmas.
My RFD dad had a charcoal foot warmer (on Ebay occassionaly) and a big racoon coat and hat that he used in his Model T Snowmobile.
Gerald Cornelius
Watertown, SD
What happens to the charcoal or gas heaters if you are involved in an accident. I can imagine hot coals all over the floor..or you, if the car was tipped or broadsided. That is also more likely to happen while driving on icy roads! I also wonder how well the gas cap on the 10 gallons under the front seat would keep the gas from spilling out onto the same hot coals or coleman heater. I'd prefer engine heat!
I am very sorry to hear that you have pulled back on this and other ventures. Sure wish I could find a way to encourage you to continue your efforts. Your skills and capabilities are not easily found elsewhere. While I understand your concerns, and there are a lot of folks that like to critique the repro parts, the simple fact is that without them most of us would have piles of rusty parts rather than operable vehicles that we enjoy so much.
If I can in any way assist your efforts or find a way to convince you to continue adding your value to the T community I would be willing to do so.
I am sure there are many others that feel the same way and I wish that they would speak up loud and above the noise that the critics are making on these issues. We always hear the squeaky wheels and rarely get to hear the majority.
Thanks for all you have done for us.
Mr.Scherzer,It is highly doubtfull you would produce a poor quality part or hoodoo anyone buying it in my opinion.You have to remember the bad deals we read about are only done by a select few people,not the majority.Poor parts come from those who have no real intrest in the hobby,just contracting a job from someone else and takeing the money.
So Dont give up provideing the T hobbiest with parts.
I agree with Tom and Mack. Bob's reproduction items have a reputation for their excellent quality, and I'm sure there would be no difference here.
Besides, I think that a well made manifold heater would sell like hotcakes (pardon the pun, please!)
I just looked up that electric heater on Ebay, and it looks a lot like a unit I bought a few years ago when I had a car with a broken heater. Well, the one I had was a waste of money. Even with it in my lap, the heat it gave off was minimal at best....
My wife complained about being cold on a fall tour i could not understand just because we had wet snow ,sleet and rain why she would be cold in a closed car (ha) so i bought a twelve volt electric blanket from Cabelas you can even sit on it,so hopefully no more complaints(like that will happen).Remember i use two batteries in my coupe.
Having 12 volts is the way to go since so many folks cannot do without their cellphones and GPS units and other modern conveniences when driving their Ts.
Having dual Group 1 six volt batteries with only one of them connected to the starter is also the way to go, IMO.
Finding a convenient spot for securing that second battery is another story unless you have a T with a trunk. Do you know of a convenient spot to put a second Group 1 battery in a '24 Touring car - just picking a convenient example?
Seth - It would be kinda' "spendy", but keeping in mind the compact size of a 6 volt (3 cell) Optima battery, I'm thinking that a pair of 6 volt Optima's side-by-side in the stock battery holder would be a pretty slick way to go. And they're maintenance free too!......harold
I didn't realize that the 6 volt Optima was half width. I figured it contained 6 cells and was wired so that there were two 6 volt (3 cell) batteries in parallel.
You might check how wide and long they really are because a Group 1 six volt battery isn't but 6.875" wide - meaning that 6 volt Optima best be narrower than 3.5" and no longer than 8.875". It could probably be taller than a Group 1 battery, which is 8 3/4" because on my car I had to add a piece of 3/4" thick oak to bring the battery up high enough for the holddown clamps to actually hold down the battery.
My car may have the battery carrier for the boxed battery though that isn't what I ordered. It was too late when I found out since I had modified it to clear my already installed muffler. See attached pics.
Harold, the Optima website gives 9 3/4" as the length of their battery. My battery carrier has a measurement of 9 1/2" in length, so it may (?) be a little tight there. The width (3 1/2" x 2) and height (8.2") measurements look like a good fit, however.
I really don't an Optima battery Seth, so I can't really check dimensions; it was just a "wild idea" I had after reading your post. I do know that the 6 volt Optima IS half the width (and half the cells) of the 12 volt Optima and it is very compact. One of the guys in our club has a 6 volt Optima in his T, mounted under the seat, next to the gas tank believe it or not. He's on a "budget" like me, and he told me that that's the way he "opted" (no pun intended) to "fix" his generator. He's had the optima for a couple years and he says he runs all summer on one charge and that he just may never bother to fix the generator. They really ARE worth the cost I guess,....harold
Thanks Bob; I was "posting" at the same time you were,...harold
Hey Rob, we really didn 't mean to steal you thread on manifold heaters. Getting back to that, I think I'm one of many that would like to see Bob continue his efforts on the manifold heater. I don't know about others, but that's an accessory that just might make the difference between my wife riding around in the T with me in chilly weather. She loves riding in it with me but she's definately a "fair weather tourer"!
Well, being pricey certainly doesn't help selling to this crowd! LOL
Since I've managed to steal this thread of Rob's, I had best apologize to Rob and ask that this discussion be either reopened in another thread or handled via e-mail or private message.
I apologize for hijacking your manifold heater thread.
Seth (firstname.lastname@example.com)
Me, too....
Thought I would show the updates on the heater project I was working on and how it has some possible problems.
This first picture shows the tube that clamps on the exhaust pipe. Didn't clamp on the bottom half for these pictures.
Now with the vent placed over the opening.
As you can see the floorboard has to be cut or better yet just replaced with a plywood floorboard since the right side of the board has no support and will need a board added on the bottom for extra support at this point. The original board's support board or strap on the bottom is in the way if you try to use your original.
If you made up a plywood floorboard for this heater you could then replace the original for summer use by just lift off the vent along with the floorboard and plug the tube hole with insulation and replace the old board.
My heater vent design didn't take into account the heel panel so I will have to rework my pattern and cast up another one that will.
I couldn't find the machined aluminum slider and had to use the wooden pattern to show it in an opened and then closed position. No knob yet. These are all prototype castings at this stage and still unfinished.
After looking at this set up do you see any other problems that need to be addressed before committing to this rectangular vent design or would it be better to switch to a circular design which could give more floor support. Or is this project just another dead horse that no one wants to ride anyway? Bob
I would ride that dead horse since I like to drive my T year round. I have a 1927 Tudor.
I don't care what it costs, I WANT A GOOD ALTERNATIVE to freezing in the winter. Thanks guys for apoligizing for "hijacking" the thread, but that is not a problem. I always enjoy reading about other issues.
Bottom line, someone should be able (of course I am not able, or this wouldn't be a thread) to make a Model A style manifold heater. It might be just tin surrounding the manifold, with an opening at the front (fan), and a way to introduce the air flow into the cab, or some other way to use the engine heat to keep us (and more importantly our loved ones, cause we'll drive the damn things no matter what) somewhat warm in the winter.
Thanks, and of course, Merry Christmas,
I dug this out today, not much need for it in East Texas. In the 60's we used a gallon can with a roll of toilet papper and white gas in the floor.
How about a "South Wind" gas heater? wouldn't that be an easier fix? That should be a straight forward installation. That's only a little out of the T era.
Take a look at the little propane heaters they use in golf carts. I saw them on Gbay.
Bob, even though I only have a touring car with side curtains, I would be interested in one of your heaters. I like to drive the car in the winter (we had a high of 22 F today, the T stayed in the garage!), and I could use all the help I can get!
Would the round-design duct be easier to make? Whichever is less complicated would get my vote.
Rob my only reason for trying to get this style heater to work was the T manifold is known for its warping and losing a tight seal and to then leak exhaust gases and having them going into the passenger compartment had me concerned. The Model A heaters were part of the exhaust manifold casting with a cap fitting over the top plus the Model A manifold didn't have the warping problems. This Model A heater design almost eliminated an exhaust gases getting drawn into the cab and were good heaters.
The other reason was using an easily replaceable floorboard instead of cutting the firewall for the vent. Although flex tubing could be used and routed down under to use the floorboard also.
This cast tube design doesn't have heated air coming from an area were exhaust gas might enter except if you had a badly rusted exhaust pipe that had holes.
Bob the round vent probably isn't anymore complicated then the rectangular one it's just that I have to make up new patterns, cast and then check them out for fit. Given my work load right now is causing a scheduling problem as to when I can do this.
I still have these to get done. Bob
That looks like a dandy heater to me!
Bob - I sure hope you "hang in there" and perfect this heater; it looks like a dandy to me. I'd sure buy one for one of my '23's; probably the roadster as it would have a smaller area to heat and only 2 side curtains. As for the possibility of a rusted out exhaust pipe like you mentioned, this looks like the perfect reason to install one of the now available stainless exhaust pipes,...harold
I like the design you have. Was thinking that the shape does not really matter however if it was sized so that it woudl fit in a whole cut in the floorboard and not at the edge of the floorboard it might be better. Not sure if I am clear here but my thought is to not require more boards to support the edges of the floorboard. Also the use of flex tube might allow placement of the vent higher up on the floorboard more like a modern car location. I really like the idea of being able to locate a second vent in the back seat.
I will try to work up a sketch or two and send it to you. Might be a few days since I am in teh middle of a mechanical rebuild on my Touring car. New engine and front axle is in, willbe pulling teh differential out today for a good look and rebuild.
Thanks for hanging in there. We all understand those other priorities as well.
Here's the heater that I think would be the easiest to reproduce given the need to have different locations for the vents. So far I have just used my 22 coupe for a vent location using my heater set up since that's the car that I was going to outfit with one. However, touring/roadsters may need to have a different position and also for center doors and the later cars.
So if anyone has one of these heaters that I could use to make up some master patterns for casting this would save time in making patterns up from scratch which I don't have the time to do right now. The tubing is an over the counter item so just the vents and tube ends would have to be cast. Bob
Hey Steve (Tomaso) - I've been kinda' watch'n for those photos you were gonna' post in regard to the type of manifold heater you have. Got too busy Christmas shopp'n and stuff, huh? Yeah, yeah, I know,....just give ya' a call and make an "appointment" and come up to your shop and look at it, right? Ha, ha,.....harold
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text: This is Part 7 in my 10-Part Second-Year Running Back Series, using NFL Game Rewind to analyze each sophomore back's rookie-season tape. For the Lamar Miller, David Wilson, Bryce Brown, Vick Ballard, Bernard Pierce, and Ronnie Hillman writeups, click here:Miller Link.Wilson Link.Brown Link.Ballard Link.Pierce Link.Hillman Link.Daryl RichardsonA little-known seventh-round pick out of Abilene Christian, Richardson outplayed more highly touted Rams second-rounder Isaiah Pead in training camp and entered his rookie year as the primary change-of-pace back for Steven Jackson. After a handful of early-season long runs, there were whispers Richardson might steal Jackson's job. (That may sound silly now, but it really did happen.) Richardson's usage faded down the stretch, earning 16 combined carries over the last five games. He averaged a paltry 1.53 YPC on his final 17 runs.Earlier this offseason, I asked a high-ranking Rams official why Richardson's usage dwindled. He explained that the team simply wanted to get Jackson the football more in what they internally anticipated would be the all-time franchise rushing leader's final season with the organization.The Rams' tailback job is now wide open to competition, with Richardson, Pead, and fifth-round pick Zac Stacy as the top three options. Richardson stands in at just 5-foot-10 and 192 pounds, and I want to know whether he has a realistic shot to be an NFL feature back. My opinion wavered on that topic while watching him play week to week as a rookie. So I took all day Tuesday to re-watch Richardson's 122 rookie-season touches. I emerged with the following thoughts:One thing I've learned over the past several years is that watching a football player week to week in small doses -- like how change-up back Richardson was used -- provides a different perspective than watching him repetitively all at once. I think you get a much stronger feel for a player watching him over and over at a voluminous clip in one extended sitting. My opinion of Richardson as last season closed was less favorable than it is now. It's also possible I sort of subconsciously held Richardson's late-season usage reduction against him.Following this one-fell-swoop review of his 122 touches, I think Richardson stands a legitimate chance to be the foundation of St. Louis' rushing attack, if given that opportunity. I think he can be a go-to, lead NFL runner in a spread-type offense the Rams are expected to implement this season.So why was Richardson's late-season yards-per-carry average so low? It was 4.85 on the year, and 5.54 before those final 17 runs. On game tape, Richardson didn't look gassed or like he'd hit a rookie wall. He looked like the same player. I think a number of factors were at work. For one, the Rams played a murderer's row of stretch-run rush defenses, facing San Francisco, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, and Seattle at their place. The 17-run sample size was small. Injuries piled up on St. Louis' offensive line, which allowed a ton of backfield penetration. Richardson still flashed big-play ability on receptions and toss sweeps. He just didn't get any room to run on those final few carries.Save arguably David Wilson, Daryl Richardson is the single most explosive second-year back I've reexamined for this series, superior in this area to Lamar Miller, Bryce Brown, Ronnie Hillman, and Bernard Pierce. He runs with urgency, high energy and suddenness, and displays outstanding first-step burst. Again, again, and again, Richardson's acceleration jumped off the screen. He has big-play speed both on inside runs and plays to the edge. Richardson consistently demonstrated natural explosion whenever his shoulder pads were pointed north-south or at a 45-degree angle. He routinely won footraces to the corner. Richardson runs with an incredible amount of juice.What I found even more encouraging than Richardson's straight-ahead burst and speed was his toughness between the tackles. His sheer velocity on inside running plays was outstanding and extremely impressive for a back his size. Richardson never shied from contact and finished runs with authority. He kept his feet moving through traffic and consistently fell forward to max out plays.While this all made Richardson an exciting watch, there were concerns. Fumbling is one of the most fixable running back flaws, but Richardson had rookie-year ball-security issues. He fumbled three times, losing two. The most critical lost ball came in clock-killing mode with St. Louis leading Washington 31-28 late in Week 2. The fumble almost cost the Rams the game. Richardson was inconsistent in pass protection, and it stood out more than once. I did think he showed plus receiving skills, securing the football with his hands rather than body and converting 24-of-26 (92.3 percent) catchable targets.As a runner, Richardson lacks great balance, on several occasions slipping in the hole or behind the line of scrimmage before attempts at upfield cuts. This resulted in yards left on the field. Richardson's vision was shaky and somewhat unpredictable from snap to snap. I counted several plays on which a cutback lane was opened by his offensive line, but Richardson failed to identify. Again, he left too much yardage on the field.If Richardson didn't diagnose an alley early in his rushing attempt, he sometimes got into trouble. I'd describe him as sudden and explosive, but not elusive. Richardson is not a shake-and-bake runner, and rarely made defenders outright miss. He ran into too many piles. And because of his size, Richardson did not break tackles with leg drive. He can run through arm tackles when sprung into space -- I saw him do this often, in fact -- but I wouldn't say he's a particularly effective after-contact-yardage back. He ran with toughs and physicality, but did not run with power.Here were some comments on Richardson made by NFL Network's Mike Mayock during the Rams' Week 5 game against the Cardinals:"I kinda like this kid. Seventh-round pick, not a lot of publicity generated about him. Richardson has consistently outplayed Isaiah Pead to the point where he's getting almost equal snaps in the backfield now with Steven Jackson. ... And he's a lot quicker than Steven Jackson is at this point in his career. He's got burst to him."Whether it was Mayock, Gus Johnson, or Ian Eagle, I noticed announcing crews covering Rams games continuously mistake Richardson for Steven Jackson. I took this as a good sign for Richardson, and more evidence of his combination of burst, inside toughness, and rushing velocity.An observation I recall making during the season -- when Richardson was operating as a pace-change back behind Jackson -- was that the Rams preferred using him on the perimeter as opposed to inside. While this reexamination did reconfirm Richardson's frequent handling of screens, swings, off-tackle sprints, and stretch runs, the coaching staff certainly wasn't averse to letting Richardson attack opponents on interior handoffs. In my snap-by-snap chart of Richardson's 98 carries, I marked 55 (56.1 percent) as designed to travel inside. And whereas Bryce Brown and David Wilson were prone to run-bouncing outside, Richardson did a commendable job of staying inside on between-the-tackles runs, playing within the design of the offense.My pre-draft analysis of Zac Stacy can be found at this link. And in this second-year running back series, I still have Isaiah Pead left to go. But while I fully acknowledge some (mostly correctable) flaws in his game, my preliminary conclusion after re-watching Richardson is that he will likely be the Rams' best backfield option in 2013. I'm changing my opinion of him and bumping him up my fantasy rankings.


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An antique frosted cased glass artichoke pendant on burnished nickel fittings made in the Remains Lighting workshop. Due to the antique nature of this fixture, there may be some nicks or imperfections in the glass.
Current height: 23"
Minimum height: 12-1/2"
Overall: 6" diameter
Can be UL listed for use in dry or damp environments.
Single Edison socket, maximum 60 watts
1 fixture total available.
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1804 Barbara Overton was born in Yorkshire. Her parents were Henry Overton and Mary Watson. Barbara is the sister-in-law of my 3rd great grand uncle.
1805 Martha Hurtley was born in Gargrave, Yorkshire. Her parents were Thomas Hurtley and Hannah Braidley. Martha is my 2nd great grand aunt.
1871 Harry (Henry) Dawson was born in Sutton in Craven, West Yorkshire. His parents were Martin Dawson and Margare Spencer. Harry is my 1st cousin 2x removed.


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CTA releases 2013 budget recommendationsWritten by Jenifer Nunez, assistant editor
The Chicago Transit Authority proposed a $1.39 billion budget for 2013 that maintains current service levels, freezes base fares and calls for modest reductions in discounts for CTA passes to bring them in line with other major U.S. cities.
The budget reflects a new, tentative labor agreement with the Amalgamated Transit Union Locals #241 and #308, which represent CTA bus and rail operators. The four-year tentative agreement slows the rate of growth in health care spending and emphasizes preventative care, among changes shaving approximately $50 million off the 2013 budget deficit. Agreements with a dozen other CTA unions resulted in similar changes contributing nearly $10 million toward deficit reduction.
But facing a $165-million shortfall for 2013, the CTA needed to take further steps to shore up its finances in both 2013 and beyond. Additional management reforms have paid off with tens of millions in savings and modest reductions in pass discounts will balance the remainder of the budget and ensure future fiscal stability.
Base fares remain unchanged at $2 for bus and $2.25 for rail. The discounts for passes (3-day, 7-day and 30-day) will be reduced by $6, $5 and $14, respectively, but still will provide discounts to frequent users. The one-day pass, primarily used by tourists, will have its discount reduced by $4.25.
"This is a sound, fair and forward-looking budget that protects taxpayers and will improve service throughout the CTA system," said Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel. "The CTA is the backbone of our transportation network and I commend the labor unions and CTA leadership for working together to craft a budget that works for everyone in the city of Chicago."
The 2013-2017 Capital Improvement Program (CIP) totals $2.8 billion, with projects designed to modernize aging CTA infrastructure, overhaul and replace fleet vehicles and bring the system into a state of good repair.
This is the second consecutive budget under CTA President Forest Claypool that the CIP does not divert scarce capital funds to balance the operating budget, a move that would cause the delay or cancellation of other critical projects. From 2008 to 2011, the CTA borrowed $554 million, much of it in transfers from capital, to balance the operating budget.


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Yup, its cross posted on MCB now. I am down to donate to keep AO alive.
Yup, its cross posted on MCB now. I am down to donate to keep AO alive.
I have nothing good to put here...........
Originally Posted by Shane-O-Mac
Ive been keeping up with this thread for a while and agree with the theory that everyone who has read it is willing to donate but may not have posted. We need a new thread with an ongoing list of those contributing and periodically Tom can post the total collected. I'm in for a donation of course.
I would definitely contribute to this.
Databases have their place, but sometimes they are solutions looking for problems.
It�s about the data. If you want to protect this public data, I don�t see how sweeping it off the floor of one central server space and dumping it into another central server space achieves that goal.
A crowdsourcing campaign reward might be something like an autographed copy of the exported AO database on blu-ray media. And then people like me can seed it out or reorganize it as I am wont to do.
Also helps you get the "old monkey" of the database archives off your back.
"Accuracy by aiming."
Definitely not on the A-Team.
Well, the issue is that the current server is one fart away from extinction. We need new hardware that will live for longer than we have. (We realistically could use a shared hosting plan - no REAL need for a private server.)
I will put in, this is my only forum!
In all seriousness have you considered selling it? As someone who literally grew up on AO, I would love to see it be brought back to life. There may be a few enterprising members who would be interested if you don't find yourself willing to put the effort back into it.
Just a thought.
Yes there is people willing to donate, but we have nothing to say.
I'll be more than happy to donate, paypal, buy a membership, buy a raffle ticket, kickstart, indiegogo, whatever. I dont need a reward, incentive or prize for doing so.
I dont frequent here often, but I still have my first marker (a minimag) from 15 years ago, I'll never sell it, and I always need automags.org here for me whenever I get the mag bug.
Saw the posting on MCB.
Ok I setup a campain on Indiegogo and here is the link.
The rest is up to all of you!
Throwdown for first!
Threw out the bit in my ppal account just for the opportunity.
I'll have to measure the rest tomorrow.
Posted on PBN, Facebook and BEO.
Go Go Go!!!
Tom, if I remember correctly it�s against the rules to auction stuff on the forum; I was wondering if I get permission to run a parts auction and or raffle in the dealer forum or better yet in the main forum (Just one thread or one each) with all the proceeds going to the cause?Originally Posted by AGD
Tom, Since we have the URL we might want to sticky or add the link to the top of the forum.
I went ahead and donated as well
I've donated a little and will continue every payday until the deadline. Long Live AGD!
Sure go ahead. Thanks!
Originally Posted by luke
Ok new thread stuck.
Despite the trepidation that some of the threads I have read on other boards contain I'm in.
I have said it before and I will say it again.
If TK says it will take X I believe it will take X. If he thinks this is the best route to go then I will accept it as the best route to go.
I do suggest that the link to indigo be moved to the top of the thread though. Frankly I did not read it all
"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess
It is the very first sticky thread.Originally Posted by Lohman446
I meant edit into the first post of this thread as well.
That **** will never happen.Originally Posted by doc_Zox
If there is any money left over I will donate it to the Paintball Scholarship Fund. That should take care of the people on the edge.
Fantastic idea Tom!Originally Posted by AGD
Hope that is going well.
I shared this on my local field's page and plan to put a few $ in once paypal stops acting stupid for me.
Tom, I am not sure what server you have in mind or if you want suggestions, but wiredtree offers some great packages and has very good service/support. They will even trasnfer your server for you for free (https://helpdesk.wiredtree.com/index...1441&nav=0,50). They will convert your plesk to cpanel as well since they do not use plesk. Just a thought.
Well, it looks like we'll be getting ourselves a new server and new software.
Kinda happy to see AO'ers pull together for something like this.
Tom - this will be the FIRST time that a Pre-Order actually went well on AO.
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Are we there yet? I thought we were still short some $$$


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For once, a "missed connections" ad on Craigslist actually worked out.
Sort of.
After going missing for three days, the stuffed bear stolen from the MontBell store on the Pearl Street Mall was recovered safe and sound -- albeit missing its signature fishing vest -- in Roosevelt National Forest on Thursday after some out-of-state visitors took it on a camping trip.
The stuffed bear was stolen from outside the outdoor gear store at 1500 Pearl St. sometime Tuesday evening. Nobody witnessed the abduction and there were no leads in the case until the store was tipped off to a Craigslist ad on Thursday in the "missed connections" section.
The ad was placed on Craigslist on Tuesday under the heading "may not have helped us steal a bear from mont bell," and it featured a picture of a man hugging the bear outside the store.
The ad read, "2 girls from Denver may or may not have helped me and my friend steal a 5' bear from the store Belmont on pearl street in boulder Colorado. Should have got y'all's number, email me at... This happens on Tuesday, June 19th."
Using the ad, police were able to contact the original poster, who admitted he and his friends stole the bear, according Boulder police. They said they were visiting from out of state and thought it would be "fun" to steal the bear and take it camping in Roosevelt National Forest.
The original bear-nappers then left the stuffed creature with another group of campers, according to police.
Boulder police responded to their campsite and found the bear in a Jeep, being "held against its will," officials noted in a tongue-in-cheek news release about the "late-night forest rescue."
The stuffed bear was undamaged, but was missing its vest.
City officials said the bear spent the night at Boulder's police station, but, unfortunately, "has not shared any information about what happened to him during the incident."
The bear was returned to MontBell on Friday afternoon.
Nodin Desaillan, a sales associate at MontBell, said employees were relieved the bear was found safe.
"We're definitely happy about that," Desaillan said.
He said that since its disappearance, many people have stopped in to ask about the bear and let the store know they were rooting for the bear's safe return.
"There's been a great influx of people dropping by and asking about him and lots of calls of support," Desaillan said.
It will be up to MontBell to decide whether to pursue charges, and Desaillan said that decision will not be made until store managers talk to police.
As for the bear's missing fishing vest? Desaillan said it will offer the store an opportunity to give the bear a new look.
"I think it's time for a wardrobe change," Desaillan said. "He's probably earned it."
By late Friday afternoon, the bear was back at its familiar post outside MontBell, wrapped in a new floral skirt.


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Post all missing items here. Stolen or Lost items. If possible give serial numbers and Pictures
Here is one submitted by BXmag (his idea to do this and I like it!) to start this out:
Coastal Paintball in Jacksonville, North Carolina suffered a major break-in this week. The items listed below is some of the inventory that was stolen:
Autococker Custom blue/silver/white/black, engraved on the side in big letters "Made Specially for Mike Morrison by Bob Long"
Angel Alien Abduction Purple Special, has an 88 ci with Armageddon reg, and a Pro Ball sticker
3 Tribals - Black/red flames, Silver/Blue, Red/Black splash
Angel Eclipse with black/red/silver with 68 ci 3000 and Kapp Drop forward & charger
STS Piranhas
Bushmaster BM2K Eclipse Silver has HPA tank
Autococker (black) with all Purple Chrome ANS upgrades
STO Black/Turquoise fade
Infernos in Red and Silver - several
Inferno Heat in Red and Silver
EM-1 Black and EM-1 Silver
Sheridan XTS - several
SuperNova ET
PMI Trracers - several
Spyder Xtras -several
Spyder Shutter - several
PMI Piranha G3 - several, in different colors: Titanium, Blue, Red, Silver, Black
Bruizers - Bandit blue, Outlaw blue
Bruizer Sport - six, black
PT Enforcer Green, modified with bottom line
Extreme Enterprises Acrylic Accessories for Angels - barrels
Autococker barrels
Angel LCD Data Kit with programming disks
Large number of HPA stainless hoses and related parts/accessories
Scott backpacks
Ricochet loaders, Revolution loaders
Raven gear bags
Pure Energy 4500 psi 88 ci tanks
V-Force masks, JT Ice masks (purple and blue)
Rental markers: many Piranha BTL double triggers


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If you checked out the blog last week, you may be aware of the blog candy we are giving away this past week!! First off thank you to everyone who commented! The lucky winner, chosen at random is.....Tona!
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We truly do have a fantastic Design Team!! This week for the Simon Says Stamp Challenge, they came up with the theme of Pearls and Lace and they have created some divine cards! For inspiration, see below! We'd love it if you joined in the fun this week for a chance to win a $25 gift voucher to our store.
Debby used D'vine Swirls by Cuttlebug for the white background at the top (so pretty!!). I also see that she used Ballerina Tilda by Magnolia (Tilda's hair looks fantastic by the way!).
Chris used the Doily Lace Trim punch by Martha Stewart for the bottom edge. Like the black flower? We just got in something similar from Bo Bunny called Black Tulle Petals.
Heather used gorgeous, thick lace for her card. Try Simplicity's Two Tier Lace Natural for something similar. Want to browse for ribbon? Like the image? It's Unwrapped Tilda by none other than Magnolia. :D
Jackie used the Swiss Dots embossing folder by Cuttlebug (I love this one but we carry a ton of others, too!!). I like the scalloped circle behind Tilda too! Check out Classic Scalloped Circle by Spellbinders.
Christine used the Christmas Morning Tilda stamp. The lace she used is really pretty too! Try the White lace pack by Kaiser! I like the key charm as well - for a closely related key charm, try Wings Key by Cousin.
Lols used Wish Granted Tilda. She also used the Mini Swirls White by Prima. Tilda is colored with Copic Markers and the papers are from the Yummy Tummy Collection pack (also by Magnolia). For more on how this card was made, check out Lorraine's blog - Lols is great at listing her crafting supplies so you can easily find items that you like...very much appreciated :D
Martine used an adorable image called Cuddley Horse by Magnolia. The "Congratulations on your bundle of joy" sentiment is by Whiff of Joy and comes in a stamp set called Baby Sentiments.
Domi used the Little Mermaid Tilda stamp. Want self-adhesive lace? You gotta try white lace ribbon by Hero Arts!
Jane's made another remarkable creation! The sentiment "the magic of Christmas" comes from Sammy's First Christmas - a stamp by Whiff of Joy. I like the snowy decoration in the top right corner too - check out Maya Road's chipboard Snowflakes. Note: Maya Road has lots of other kinds of chipboard too!
Jo has set pretty roses in the left corner - try Fairytale roses in Orchid, by Prima. If you like the Birthday Princess sentiment, this can be replicated with the Party Queen stamp set by Crafty Secrets!
Thanks again to the Design Team members who have made such extravagant cards!! You really inspire people to create their own!
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A multibillion-dollar "EuroVegas" casino resort will be built in the outskirts of Madrid, hopefully bringing much-needed jobs and investment, officials from Spain and Las Vegas Sands casinos said Friday.
Madrid's regional government president, Ignacio Gonzalez, said Eurovegas will occupy an area equivalent to 750 football fields in the suburb city of Alcorcon and the first phase of construction will begin late this year.
Building the entire complex just south of Madrid is likely to take up to 18 years and it is estimated that some 260,000 jobs could be created.
The mastermind behind the project is 79-year-old American tycoon Sheldon Adelson and his company Las Vegas Sands Corp.
The figures linked to the plans presented at Madrid's town hall are dizzying, especially for a country with a swollen deficit and unemployment at a staggering 26 percent. Some €22 billion ($29.5 billion) will be invested to build 12 hotels, six casinos, a convention center, three golf courses, theaters, shopping malls, bars and restaurants.
Las Vegas Sands operates casinos and entertainment complexes in several locations around the world, including Las Vegas, Macao (China) and Singapore.
Michael Leven, Las Vegas Sands CEO, said the group will cover 35 percent of the equity investment and assured Madrid authorities that funding to complete the rest of the project would be found. It was not clear where the remaining 65 percent will come from.
Leven said Spanish banks would be among the investors, but he did not reveal which.
Despite the apparently large inward investment and the potential for massive job creation, EuroVegas has been met with rejection in many sectors of Spanish society.
More than a dozen organizations, mainly linked to environmental causes or to the political left, last year created the "Eurovegas No" platform to oppose the project.
The group reacted to Friday's announcement by saying Las Vegas Sands wanted to create an "island" for gambling and will count on specially granted tax breaks and the relaxation of laws regulating smoking bans.
Critics have said the project will promote unwanted activities such as prostitution and only create low level jobs such as card dealers, waiters and chamber maids. They say what the country, and especially its young people, need are higher skills jobs.
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Three heroes of shooting incident receive Congressional Record statements, school gets a flag.
The three people credited with subduing an armed student and preventing the shooting at Taft Union High School from becoming much worse received another thank you this week.
Taft High teacher Ryan Heber and campus supervisors Kim Fields and Mary Miller received copies of the remarks read into the Congressional record by Senator Barbara Boxer in early February.
Boxer staffer Akeem Kahn travelled to Taft Tuesday afternoon to present the statements to the trio and also presented a flag that has flown over the United States Capitol to the school.
"Senator Boxer wanted to give it to the school to honor and thank these three educators for their courageous efforts to protect their students," said Zachary Coile, another Boxer aide.
Heber was the teacher in the class on the second floor of the TUHS science building on Jan. 10 when suspect Bryan Oliver allegedly walked into the room about 9 a.m. carry a shotgun.
"This was a tragic attack, and it is terrifying to think that it could have been even worse had it not been for the brave, swift actions of Taft science teacher Ryan Heber, and campus supervisors Kim Fields and Mary Miller," Boxer said in her statement in the Congressional Record. "When the shooting started, Mr. Heber responded immediately. After ushering his other students out of harm's way, he began talking the shooter into ceasing his attack. Mr. Fields, who rushed to the classroom when he heard gunfire, joined Mr. Heber in persuading the attacker to put down his gun and surrender to police when they arrived on the scene. Meanwhile, Ms. Miller stayed calm and made sure that students quickly and safely evacuated the classroom."
Oliver, who has been charged with attempted murder and several other felonies, is accused of shooting Bowe Cleveland and threatening another student.
All three were modest about their actions that day.
"This is very nice of Mrs. Boxer and her staff to recognize us," Fields said. " It's very kind of her. We're just on the school grounds to protect the kids." He said he doesn't feel like a hero.
"I was just in the right place at the right time."
Heber was also very low key, as was Miller.
"I think it's really cool," said Heber. "It's a nice thing to receive recognition."
"I think its very nice," said Miller. "You just do what you've got to do – nothing out of the ordinary. I don't feel like a hero."


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A local laundromat in Cheswold was vandalized Thursday night, but hidden cameras caught some excellent photographs of those believed responsible.
Kwon's Laundromat, located at 762 Main St., Cheswold, was the scene of two vandalism incidents on Thursday morning.
At least three people came into the business at 12:30 a.m. and again at 1:22 a.m., and stole cash from the change repositories in the washers and dryers, said Chief of Police Christopher Workman. The vandals also caused extensive damage to other equipment in the building, including a change machine.
Hidden surveillance cameras caught the thieves at work at the change machine, and police are making those photos available to the public.
Anyone with information on this incident is asked to call Workman at (302) 734-2202 or Delaware Crime Stoppers at (800) TIP-3333.


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EXCLUSIVE You're never fully dressed without a smile! Just for her, our florists have gathered a lively mix of beautiful orange roses, pink carnations and more in a matching chevron tote that's just her style. This truly original keepsake is guaranteed to turn heads wherever she goes.


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Taken from a Travel Notebook of Louise Strode Worthington (1916 – 2010)
This documents a trip that Louise and Henry Worthington took with AAA on a President Cruise to Alaska in August 2000. This information was scanned and reformatted for the purpose of sharing with the family. Where appropriate, notes in the margins or on the pages are noted. Re-formatting has also been done as this was done on Mom's typewriter, as was her custom.
Thursday, August 10, 2000 – Day 1
Clear, hot and hazy. Rapid Rover pick-up on time for an 8:30 flight on Northwest Airlines to Minneapolis / St. Paul next to U.S. Air.
Guess who we saw getting off the shuttle, Dick and Toni on their way to San Diego to see Rick. What a surprise!
Checked our bags and then on to Security. We made it thru there after Henry took off his fanny pack. Our picture ID-passports were needed at the check-in.
At 8:40 we are waiting in line with 15 others to take off. Huge UPS planes also in line with us. Off at 9:05 Sun is out, a bit hazy. Plane is Airbus seating 3 and 3. Had breakfast at 10:15, cheerios, Juice, coffee, Bagel, jam, banana, Cream cheese.
Flying high, 32,000 ft. clouds below but sun is bright. Descending at 10:45. Should be in port at 10:25. Landed at 11:45 EDT, 10:20 CDT. Plenty of time to get to Gate 29 for 11:45 flight to Anchorage.
Beautiful day to fly. On a 757 but are waiting for more fuel. Starting off at 12.15 but back to the "starting gate" Trouble with the wheel well. Electrical "glitch" Plane is FULL Off again at 1 CDT.
5 ½ hour flight to Anchorage. Supposed to have had lunch. It is now 1:30. Have peanuts and drink. Dinner will be a bit late. Try for 3PM, chicken, mixed veg. roll, milk, ice cream. Coffee anytime.
Landed in Anchorage at 6:30 Alaska time. Saw many glaciers and ice fields as we approached Haines and our descent to Anchorage. It was a beautiful sight. Holland America picked up luggage and took us by bus to our hotel, the Hilton.
There is a 4 hour time difference. (one hour later than Seattle) We checked in and then met our Tour Director, Barbara Hahn. She would remain with us until we got to the ship. Be ready by 8:30 tomorrow morning.
Ate at the Snow Goose and had Pizza. Good. Clear. Did Shop for Lorraine's Bells. Found two. She will have to choose. Still light at 10:30 ADT. Moon came up about 2 A.M.


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I'm going to take you on a journey of average draft position. It may sound like the worst possible journey next to a Carnival cruise, but it's really not all that bad. We're going to take a look at how well ADP predicted actual fantasy numbers.
I'm a firm believer that if you take good ADP rankings and compare them to well thought out rankings from really smart people, you're still going to come up with similar results. Unfortunately I'm no mathmagician and trying to quantify that possibly wildly inaccurate claim is beyond my ability, so I thought we would get in the way back machine and see how well ADP worked for 2012. We'll start with quarterbacks, the most loved and hated of the football playing kind.
For the sake of sticking with the theme "average" we'll go with ESPN's standard scoring and Fantasy Pros' average of six sites' ADP for analysis.
Aaron Rodgers – ADP 1 (Finish 2) – Rodgers was by far the first quarterback to come off the board in the summer of '12. His ADP was second overall, which, as you know is darn high for a quarterback. But at least with Rodgers his high ADP wasn't based on one big season, but a slow burn of great fantasy seasons topped off with an MVP effort. Depending on your scoring, Rodgers had been the number one or two fantasy player in each of the four previous seasons. That kind of consistency is appealing to those who have been burned by early round running backs over and over.
So did he live up to his number two overall ADP? Well, if you look at the numbers in a vacuum he sure did. But of course that means Drew Brees should have been the number one overall pick and that you should get out of that vacuum. Rodgers ended up tied for second with Tom Brady in overall scoring, but we all know that his numbers didn't live up to expectations. From week 8 to 14 he had sub-20 point fantasy point games in all but one. That is quite a turnaround from 2011 when he had just one game with less than 20 points all season.
But if you made the fantasy playoffs with him, he did come up big with two top-5 games in week's 15 and 16. Looking back his consistency rating was fifth for quarterbacks on the season with nine startable (top 10) games. That's good, but not top-2 overall good. And nothing compared to his 2011 when he led the league with 15 of 15 startable games!
He will most likely be the top quarterback taken or at least fight Drew Brees for that honor in 2013, but we might see people once again backing off the first round quarterback after jumping on them due to the huge numbers of 2011.
Tom Brady – ADP 2 (Finish 2) – Brady was picked 5th overall on average, which does seem odd with Drew Brees having clearly been the number one or two fantasy quarterback in 2011, but it does seem people were slightly scared off by Sean Payton letting the Bounty Gate hit him on his way out and buoyed by the addition of Brandon Lloyd to Patriot Way. Brady ended up finishing behind Brees, but tied for second with Rodgers.
Brady was slightly more consistent than Rodgers, but didn't put up the huge numbers you need for a quarterback to torch the competition. Looking back here is how he ranked each week against his fellow quarterbacks, going from week 16 to 1 -- 11, 4, 3, 24, 2, 4, 12, 2, 7, 9, 8, 1, 15, 20, and 11. Brady's consistency rating was third for quarterbacks with 10 startable games, which gives him the slight edge over Rodgers on the season. So even though they finished with the same number of fantasy points, Brady was a better pick than Rodgers who went before him, but still taken too high in the grand scheme of fake football (which is to dominate all fantasy takers).
Drew Brees – ADP 3 (Finish 1) – Mr. Brees wasn't the best real quarterback in 2012 as seen in wins and losses and interceptions, but he was the best fantasy quarterback across the board. The lack of an acceptable Saints' defense allowed Brees to throw the ball in comeback style and hit that 5k yards, 40+ touchdown mark once again. He was also the most consistent fantasy quarterback with 11 startable games paired with the most stud games (top 2) for a quarterback with four.
Brees went off the board seventh overall, which is too high for me, but looking back, was a safe pick. Like Rodgers, he's been extremely consistent, and that dome coupled with a pass happy offense is a breeding ground for fantasy points. Of course he still finished 16th overall in ESPN's consistency rankings and seventh in "stud" games, which means running backs and receivers were the true studs last season. If I were drafting with my Grays Sports Almanac in hand, I probably still wouldn't have owned Brees with his first round ADP.
Cam Newton – ADP 4 (Finish 4) – Talk about a weird season for Mr. Newton! Ok, sure, that's what I'm here for. Newton's 2012 was a tale of two seasons, or more likely, a tale of three big games between weeks 12-14. Newton actually landed firmly in fourth overall in fantasy scoring, just in line with his ADP. But if you ask his fantasy owners how they feel about his 2012, you'll get a wide variety of answers depending on how far behind the eight ball he placed their teams.
Newton was a top ten quarterback in just half of his games and a top two quarterback in half of those. Three of those top two performances came at the end of the fantasy football season, which was most likely too late for many. So if you were in a total points league (I know, few are, but more should be) Newton gave you a miraculous comeback! But for the most part, his QB ADP of four was too high.
Newton's overall ADP ranged from 7 to 22, so as we get further down in ADP the ranges from site to site and draft to draft, fluctuate much more than they did with the top guys. Newton at 22nd overall in the right league settings could have been a great pick, but overall he most likely hurt your team if you drafted him in the first round.
But with that strong finish, there is a good chance his ADP will once again be high. We know he has the ability, but will he have the consistency? How about you start up a cumulative scoring league and draft him early? And then spread the word to all my friends that cumulative scoring is the bee's knees and/or elbows.
Matthew Stafford – ADP 5 (Finish 10) – Oh Matt, Matt, Matt, why did you have to do us like that, that, that? Bro Stafford, much like Drew Brees, threw the ball more than any human should have to throw a ball, but unlike Mr. Brees, Stafford had a much harder time converting those throws into fantasy points. Stafford finished the season tenth in fantasy points and first in pass attempts. That's a monumental task in itself.
Stafford didn't come close to living up to his ADP, even with the top 10 overall finish. He had seven startable games and only one top 2 game. In a down year for quarterbacks, that wasn't at the bottom of the pack, but if you grabbed him at his overall ADP of 10, you are still crying hard and often.
There were many factors for his poor season, but his inconsistency was the leading one. He still has him arm attached after throwing the ball 727 times and the last I heard Calvin Johnson is still on the Lions and those two things point to a nice bounce back season in 2013.
Michael Vick – ADP 6 (Finish 27) – Remember Michael Vick? You know, that guy who in 2010 led many leagues in fantasy points, but only played in 12 games? Yeah, I think many of us were remembering that guy when we drafted back in August.
It was a poor season for Vick without a doubt. He only played in ten games and finished 27th in quarterback scoring. If you extrapolate his numbers out to a whole season, he still only finished around 14th overall. If you take out the Dallas game in which he was injured it helps him a little, but overall he was not a top tier fantasy quarterback when healthy.
But he still is at least a top-10 fantasy quarterback when healthy, unfortunately "when healthy" is the operative phrase you can't get around. This season he will be much cheaper and much easier to take a gamble on in drafts and if I'm gambling on backup quarterbacks in 2013, it's on one that can run.
Eli Manning – ADP 7 (Finish 15) – Eli didn't live up to his 2011, like every quarterback ever to play the game it seems. But he was quietly horrible beyond hope. He finished 15th in fantasy quarterbacking points. That's less than a whole slew of players you don't want on your fantasy teams. Michael Vick did better than Eli on a game-by-game basis and he is thoroughly despised by us fake footballers.
Out of his 16 starts, Manning only finished in the top 10 quarterbacks five times. Last season he finished in the top 10 ten times. Much like Stafford, Manning throws the ball enough to still see hope for his fantasy future, especially after such a bad season where he should come at a discount. If Cruz, Nicks and Randle can hold their bones together long enough, it's hard not to see a rebound.
Peyton Manning –- ADP 8 (Finish 5) – Most of us were on the fence with older brother coming into 2012. Much depended on where you could get him in your drafts, because you knew if he was healthy, he would put up decent numbers. Thankfully he was healthy and he did indeed put up decent numbers.
He finished fifth overall in fantasy points for quarterbacks, but tied for first with Drew Brees for number of top 10 weeks with 11. That consistency helped a lot of teams into their fantasy playoffs this season. He didn't put up the huge games Brees did, but at a lot cheaper ADP he put up consistent numbers that gave you a shot at winning your matchups week to week. There's a great chance that teams who drafted Brees early were either beaten by the Manning-ized teams, or at least, were playing them in the championship.
With Eric Decker and Demaryius Thomas at his disposal, it's hard not to like him again next season, even though he might not be as easy to get in later rounds. He did appear worn down in the playoffs last season, so the decline has to happen at some point, but his overall numbers last season were all close to his career highs, so I'm on board for another year.
Matt Ryan – ADP 9 (Finish 7) – Ryan's numbers early on sure led us all to believe we had made the right decision in hyping him last offseason. And in retrospect his 7th most fantasy points for a quarterback makes picking him as the 9th best quarterback seem smart, but I think we all hoped for a little more, well, of course we hoped, but we also expected a little more. Ryan finished with nine top 10 weeks, putting him 5th on the quarterback consistency list.
My trepidation to anoint him as a draft win last season may be due to the one of the guys you'll read about in a bit, but as a 4th/5th round pick, he put up the numbers you needed. And next season he'll have a third year Julio Jones, and maybe a fiftieth year Tony Gonzalez.
Philip Rivers – ADP 10 (Finish 21) – Our own Evan Silva called this one last offseason, but it was hard to lay off a perennial top 10 quarterback when he fell to the 6th/7th round. But lay off is what we should have done. In the past, Rivers seemed to be able to put up big fantasy numbers while throwing to ball boys and street vendors, but this year, even though he played all 16 games, he finished as the 21st "best" fantasy quarterback. That's four of 16 games in which he finished in the top 10 for the week. How can you possibly trust him at all going forward? You can't.
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That was the top 10 Quarterbacks in ADP, and now I'll take a look at who went from outside the top 10 ADP to finish in the Reality Top 10.
Robert Griffin III – ADP 12 (Finish 5) – RGthree finished as the fifth best fantasy quarterback in the league (tied with Peyton Manning) and that came with one missed game. It takes a lot for a rookie quarterback to go in drafts as a starter (in 12 team leagues) but Griffin did just that and lived up to and beyond expectations. So really the fantasy community wasn't completely blindsided by his great fantasy numbers, but to do what he did was still beyond what most people dreamed.
Only Drew Brees had more top 10 weekly finishes with 11 to RGIII's10 and Griffin also tied Brees in most top 2 finishes with four. So for our weekly fantasy value buck, he was the second best quarterback on the season. Of course his injury history and present, is concerning going into next season, but his efficiency as a passer (65.6%, 2nd best ever for a rookie) and his ability to improvise with his legs may trump those concerns, especially if he looks to be a full go at the start of the season.
Tony Romo – ADP 11 (Finish 8) – I love Tony Romo. There I said it. That newsboy hat is just too cool. Oh, and all those fantasy points. But I am not a Tony Romo apologist, because he just can't get the job done. I hate the term choke, but some of the things he does in crunch time are mind-boggling. But that's why Tony Romo is so awesome. Everyone (even some Dallas fans) despise him, but he's always worth more in fantasy than perception allows.
I thought he would be better than the 8th best fantasy quarterback so in my estimation he was a bust, but he still was drafted at some value. The emergence of Dez Bryant as a dominant force and maybe, just maybe, a healthy Miles Austin should keep him in the hunt for fantasy relevance next season.
Andrew Luck – ADP 16 (Finish 9) – Andrew Luck out Manning'd rookie Peyton and all rookie quarterbacks ever with 4,374 yards passing last season. Offensive coordinator handed over the reins to Luck and they commenced to passing and passing and then a little more passing. And not short safe passes; they put some air under that ball. With Reggie Wayne as the only reliable receiver, Luck's efficiency wasn't great, but understandable when you consider he led the league in average pass depth.
His inconsistency was the biggest problem last season, which is understandable being a rookie and him needing to pass so often sans a good running game. T.Y. Hilton, Dwayne Allen and Coby Fleener will all have a season under their belt, to go along with Luck's belted season, and it's hard not to see him taking a step forward.
So in the end, seven of the top 10 ADP quarterbacks finished in the top 10, while four of the top 5 quarterbacks finished in the top 5. That's not bad at all. With that kind of reliability, I can see many taking from this the idea that grabbing a quarterback early is the way to go, and maybe it is, but the safer something is, the less reward can be expected.
After this quick analysis, I'm still of the mind that grabbing two quarterbacks later in the draft is the right move, one who is fairly safe for a top 10 finish and one who has upside for more, i.e. RGIII last season. When I take a look at running backs later on, you'll see much more volatility in ADP vs. Reality and that will either scare you off of running backs or turn you into a RB hoarder.


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That fact that I listened is a big thing. I keep pointing out that pbn gives their members a choice too... Buy it or don't buy it.
That fact that I listened is a big thing. I keep pointing out that pbn gives their members a choice too... Buy it or don't buy it.
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Here is my take on it followed by a few questions.
I like the design and the ability to change the splash panel colors. It gives people who want a bright jersey or a subdued jersey the opportunity to buy one. Also since BT took the initiative to do this and is doing all the leg work I think his opinion should matter more than the rest. You did a good job incorporating as many ideas as possble and ended up with a good end product. I do agree with people that having the guys logo on the front and back is not neessary. Once on the back with the Animal logo is enough.
Now my questions;
Is it possible to get it so that the black background and grey honeycomb are able to be user customizable? It seems like it should be possible but I don't have a clue if it is or not.
Can this be put into the Animal Fan Shop? That would give people the opportunity to buy it at a later time. I ask for somewhat selfish reasons as I want to buy one but can't right now.
Did Tuna, Luke, SSP, BigEvil or anybody else want to have their logo put on the jersey? Any money given by them, if you wanted a contribution from them, could be used to offset the design costs.
I like the design overall.
The Magpie looks better now that it is bigger. However, I feel like the placement is going to look like a first name. IE. Magpie Johnson
The honeycomb looks great, but somehow it seems to get lost.
I'm not worried about the designers/animals symbol, but keep it in areas that are covered with a pack.
I like the overall design, with the exception of the wording I didn't notice across the butt area, I am with Justus on the curse word issue. I also think that the magpie should stand alone, no wording.........
This is your project for sure, BT. I apologize if I've come off very negative. The jersey has ended up in a good place, and I think that all-in-all it looks good, and most people are satisfied overall. Glad to hear that the "Chuff Chuff" hasn't been lost, and if we could get his logo off of the front of the jersey I think it'd look good.
lancecst and TimmyJay raise good questions/points, too.
EDIT: I would like to request not to have that "Ass kicking" line across my jersey either, if possible.
EDIT EDIT: And sort-of on the subject of the hex colors (and tying back to Justus' idea,too), maybe we could make the black hexes blue or grey instead? And then the outlines of the hexes could be grey/blue/orange in spirit of the AO forum colors
Last edited by Billz804; 10-06-2013 at 11:02 AM.
Keep in mind the AO colors are different for how you have your forum settings... and previous jerseys had little to do with the AO forum colors unless you ordered silver/gray theme.
I would also be in favor of the "ass kicking" line being an option.
I suspect the Animal and Designers logos are present on the proofs to encourage compliance with a copyright. When we had CSG do the jersies in the long past their logo (much less obtrusive, but i digress) was optional on your final order. I am fine with sporting a simple Animal logo, since they are providing the product and service, but the redundant designer's stuff is a deal breaker for a lot of people.
I think this has been a great effort by BY, and the final product is sweet!
Also, I'd like to point out that this jersey is more associated with the event, to me, than strictly AO as a group. If it doesn't float your boat, you don't have to order it. You can commission your own! :P
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lancest: yes, yes and back in the design thread I offered a sponsorship option... everyone glazed over the comment so I took as a non popular option.
Grelvire: the wording on the butt will be optional
Bill: I will make sure that you can change the color of the hex... if you want. BUT if anyone wants to change a part of their jersey like the hex colors and then they do not like the effect... IT WILL NOT BE MY PROBLEM!
Fred: fred... fred... I know you feel my pain people will have the option of removing the designer and the animal logos. As far as being associated with just the event, I dont feel that way. some do, I dont. if it was for just this event it I would be getting together with CPX and working the event into the jersey.
Sounds like they are being amazingly flexible. The better question would be: what is not subject to change?
The shape of things and the content of the main logos... I. E. You can't change the AO Army star to say "everybody poops" or change the stars color or shape. Also you cannot make the hexagons into triangles
lol. Now I want the butt wording to read "If you can read this please ask me to surrender"
How about "wide load"
nothing... cough
updated preorder with the art.
everyone go start picking out their jerseys
It's such a jeep thing phrase
Looks alright, but I'd just ditch the whole 'Magpie' thing - since when has that been a 'mag or AO thing?
When I started the AO Army team (when I say I started, really it was Tom, but I just implemented the idea into reality) I had originally wanted us to be called Magpies, to represent the AO Army. it went back and forth and now we are the AO Army and all of us are magpies. its silly, it really is. half of us identify with the magpie and the other half identify with the AO Army, still on the same team, lol.
Here's an example of where I thought the jersey idea was going originally:
Although, I actually thought that the dark swaths were going to go over the shoulders and down the sleeves, with some texture to look like plate armor, and the lighter gray hex pattern down the chest and around the flank area. (turn it upside down)
see I wouldnt of minded that, no one suggested it and I suck at this, lol
HAHA!! Now we're getting somewhere. I don't even mind the splashes. If the black lines that make the hex pattern can be changed to a dark gray or even the dark slate color from the splash, I think it will tie the whole thing together.
EDIT: OOh! and the Magpie on the back, change the teal gradient on the wings to use one of the colors from the splash, so it doesn't look out of place either. Then, perfect. The other logos aren't going to be of the same color palate, but they're logos, so they don't have to be.
That's looking better every time. Ideally, the hex pattern would also be a gradient from darker to lighter as it goes down the jersey, just like the background. That's more of a finishing touch kinda thing though. This mock-up looks good to me. Anyone else?
Wait can we start over I just noticed there are no dancing bananas on this jersey.
I think the jerseys are nice. One thing to keep in mind is that if you aren't happy with what is offered, don't buy it. You can also contact Animal and design your dream shirt at any time. I think BT has been more than patient in trying to accommodate peoples input, but at this point, it is essentially a done deal. Take it or leave it. There is an explanation of what can and can't be done with the existing pattern in the dealers thread.
Good job in taking the bull by the horns BT!


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TRAINING: Mitt work with Mike Winkeljohn, my kickboxing coach, at 9am. 1:30 at Greg Jackson's gym, I do Shoot-boxing. Then we do some rounds of just grappling. At night I do strength and conditioning work.
When and why did you start training for fighting? I was coaching football during the late 90's and realized that I still had a huge drive inside me and I needed to find an outlet. I played a little rugby and would participate in top level wrestling tournaments without any training, since I didn't have a team. It wasn't enough, though. Since I first saw the UFC in the early 90's it has always been in the back of my mind. So then I met Greg in 2000. I decided to move to Albuquerque and dedicate myself to training, and now the rest is history.
What ranks and titles have you held? I am a Black belt in Greg Jackson's art of Gaidojutsu.
Do you have any heroes? Soldiers doing their duty overseas.
What is your favorite technique? The one that leads to a decisive win
What does it mean for you to fight in STRIKEFORCE? I have a shot at making a living doing what I love. I don't intend to waste it.
Did you go to college and if so what degree did you earn? I have a degree in Human Performance and Sport from New Mexico Highlands University.
What was your job before you started fighting? I have worked as a Personal trainer, wildland firefighter, football coach, miner, and bounty hunter.
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