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Sunday, October 31, 2010
A Very Special xkcdsucks Post
Fine people of xkcdsucks:
I rise from the comments section and into the blog proper because I can be silent no longer. Not that I was silent in the first place, but for the moment I will push aside this fact in the interest of a dramatic opening.
I have come here not to criticize xkcd, but – in the spirit of the age-old question Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? – I have come to criticize the critics. Specifically Carl and the other posers posters at webcomics.me whom any reasonable man, woman or spambot would label as "douchebags".
Let us examine a few of the most recent postings.
I will begin with the post Tim reads webcomics (October 7, 2010), published on the eighth of October. Please, open a new tab and follow along with me. Do you see anything remotely resembling criticism? Anything that makes this post more informative than simply reading the webcomics themselves? I cannot even label this as "commentary". It is more along the lines of a "mind dump," as though someone sat Tim down with paper and pencil, flashed images of comics in front of his eyes, and instructed him to scribble down his first reaction to each one.
This is not criticism. It is purposeless writing with nothing to offer the reader. It tells us nothing of what each comic does well, does poorly, or in some cases what the comic even does at all. His commentary on SMBC is little more than "Holy shit, this guy has a really long neck," not explaining what SMBC is or even developing his art critique into something meaningful. He may as well have posted "lol" or ":P" under each comic for all his "commentary" gives us.
And now I shall unleash my unbridled rage onto the next post, entitled QCsucks Weekly Update October 9th, posted on the tenth of October.
There is much to criticize about Questionable Content. Perhaps one might touch upon how the characterization that has driven the comic for years has suddenly gone stagnant and the "plot," such as it is, has dissolved into directionless matchmaking. Or perhaps there is discussion to be had about the author's choice to redraw several comics for his recently published collection. There is so much to be said about this comic that it arguably takes some sort of skill for the author to produce such an incredibly bland post about it.
He begins by mocking the author's name and continues this "joke" throughout in one of the laziest attempts to be entertaining since Mr. Munroe discovered the phrase "Higgs Boson". What motivation Kirk has for this – whether it was to make a point or just to be random – is unknown.
The first critique Kirk has about Questionable Content is that the "joke-a-day" formula detracts from the quality of the work. I really must give Kirk some points for effort here. After reading Tim's post, it would not be unreasonable for one to conclude that webcomics.me contains no criticism at all. (I might point out that attacking the formula QC has run on for years since the beginning, and is therefore a large part of QC's identity, is truly missing the point – QC is a joke-a-day comic and suggesting that it should not be would be to suggest that QC no longer be QC. I might suggest that it would be more helpful to make criticisms that would serve to improve the work instead of altering its fundamental structure. But still, poor logic is better than no attempt at all, Tim.) [I disagree. QC is a long-form comic, not a gag-a-day, but he tries to be both. Sticking to long-form wouldn't alter the fundamental nature but it would make the comic suck a lot less. This is a common complaint among the elite of #xkcd-sucks (use a real nickname; generic mibbit ones are banned) on foonetic, who are better than you. -Ed.]
The second critique faults the QC formula for forcing Hanners to step out of character. Not only is this incorrect – if one were to follow Jeph's twitter feed one would learn the precise reason the comic was made – it also suggests that the situation was forced and unrealistic because of the artist's quest to create a comic with "day to day humor". Again, I am in no way suggesting that Jeph Jacques' work does not deserve criticism, and heavy criticism at that, but the logic at work here is pathetic. Since the strip is in no way relevant to the week's plot (the subject of the purse never comes up again) the artist could easily have not drawn it if he deemed it a threat to established characterization. Hanners does make mistakes, it has been established, and the artist has no motivation to construct an unrealistic situation for the sake of a joke. When it comes to forcing humor, Jeph's modus operandi consists of "witty banter in an otherwise normal situation", not "breaking character for lulz". The former deserves more criticism than the latter, which rarely if ever happens, and certainly does not happen here.
Also, calling Marten "Martin" is a mistake made by someone unfamiliar or uninterested in the work. If you aren't invested in the work somehow, your critique loses relevance in the eyes of the reader. Being blatantly wrong displays ignorance, not analysis. To that end, the sentence "hey, we are just clearing ground for the eventual Martin/Hanners relationship" goes unexplained and thus makes no fucking sense. Saying random shit (such as the aforementioned "Jeff Jacks") without a reason does not make you a critic or entertaining. It makes you an idiot. If content were calories, your post would be word salad.
Most of the other critiques attack the QC formula as well, suggesting that this post could easily have been a more general post about "the QC formula" instead of posting five separate comics and making virtually identical comments about each.
The next post is Carl's: Scenes From a Multiverse: The First Few Months. This is criticism. It is content. Carl manages to say more (and sound more intelligent) in less space than the rest of you. It actually discusses what works well in the comic and what doesn't. It's not a day-by-day analysis of the comic because it doesn't need a day-by-day analysis, discussing general trends is enough for Carl to make his points. The post is efficient, thoughtful, and well-written.
The following posts are more of Tim's bullshit. The mindspillage is a bit more substantial this time, but again he fails to actually criticize any of the comics. Instead, he writes mocking summaries of each. Good job, Tim! You almost had me interested for a second there.
Then comes xkcdsuckstravaganza, which you wouldn't know was one of Carl's if the handy little column to the left didn't tell you. Apparently Carl decided that his posts are too intelligent and interesting so instead he decided to do one Tim-style. A fair bit of real criticism still finds its way into some of the comments, suggesting Carl still has some work to do until he can waste our time as well as Tim can. But the quality is still not up to par.
Luckily the next post on Abstruse Goose makes up for it with more actual criticism and logic and reasoning and the things we've come to know and love Carl Wheeler for.
And finally the truly enraging one, Tim reads webcomics (October 23, 1010) [sic].
It begins with the comment "This one will be really short, mostly to piss off the folks who complain that my comments are too short." Hilarious. Positively hilarious. Here's the thing, Tim: mocking your audience is funny, mocking your audience's criticism in lieu of responding to it makes you look like an idiot. You can do both, of course. For example, Andrew Hussie both mocks and responds to the criticism leveled at him on his Formspring, but the key is that he responds to it with a rational and well-reasoned argument. "Rob's rants" [I object to this characterization -Ed.] and Carl's FAQs on xkcdsucks address arguments made by the audience. "I'm gonna do whatever I wanna do" is not an argument, and because you haven't gained any respect in our eyes yet, having displayed no ability whatsoever to pen a critique, it makes you look like the douche you are.
Shut up, Tim. Just shut up. Nobody wants to hear your bullshit two-sentence reactions that address exactly nothing. You don't bother to support your point of view. You don't give suggestions for improvement. Obviously we are all part of the webcomics.me hivemind and think exactly the same way as you do so you don't have to bother doing such things as explaining what the fuck this garbage is you are posting.
I visited, and continue to visit, xkcdsucks because it always has interesting, well-argued criticism. I will not continue to visit webcomics.me because it has none of that. Any post not written by Carl is a waste of space on that site. Carl, either take the reins of your new site exclusively or come the fuck back here. "Serious about webcomics"? Hardly. Nothing there suggests any serious analysis. Even your commenters are less intelligent on this new blog; they do not bother to discuss or debate, only hate on every webcomic blindly for obscure reasons. What the fuck happened to the argument and discussion that made xkcdsucks what it is?
I know you want to expand, Carl, but this isn't the way to do it. Having a bunch of lazy idiots make contentless posts, not in the spirit of criticism, not even in the spirit of entertainment, but in the hopes of getting murmurs of agreement from a brainwashed audience, of sparking some sort of superficial connection between poster and reader, why… it reminds me of a particular webcomic.
And it sucks.
[We will return Monday to your regularly scheduled hate. -Ed.]
63 comments:
1. Nobody's forcing you to read webcomics.meReplyDelete
2. You just hate webcomics.me because your jellous.
3. Where is YOUR blog?
4. Your post is actually longer than any single webcomics.me post. Why did you waste so much time on hating it?
5. Some posts are not supposed to be criticism!
6. Blogs are subjective.
7. You're biased.
8. It's ok to be lazy and make contentless posts.
By the way, I just posted a new one! Check it out.
- AnonymousOctober 31, 2010 at 1:52 PM
I love internet drama over a blog I don't read about webcomics I've never heard of.ReplyDelete
CAPTCHA: paing. I'm definitely feeling the paing here.
- AnonymousOctober 31, 2010 at 2:14 PM
This was better than any of Rob's posts.ReplyDelete
We need another review by Aloria's cat.
- Miranda Cosgrove XkcDOctober 31, 2010 at 2:26 PM
Carl's xkcdsucks up until towards the end > xkcdsuxredux Rob > Carl's xkcdsucks towards the end > webcomics.meReplyDelete
- Miranda againOctober 31, 2010 at 2:27 PM
xkcdsuxredux > Rob*ReplyDelete
Not by mass...ReplyDelete
I totally agree. I think xkcdsucks is totally valid (if hilariously biased, which I am okay with) criticism, while webcomics.me is just random crap coming out of random douche's minds.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousOctober 31, 2010 at 4:06 PM
Tim, I get it. You can totally be facetious.ReplyDelete
I'd like to find out about your Comics Curmudgeon influence though. Your posts read like you have been aiming specifically for snark, curmudgeon-style. Have you thought about why that doesn't, as a general rule, work for webcomics?
- scottmctonyOctober 31, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Oh it might, Timofei is just terrible at snark.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousOctober 31, 2010 at 4:52 PM
Tim, learn to accept criticism. Get off webcomics.me and let Carl do his thing.ReplyDelete
OUR HATRED WILL TEAR US APARTReplyDelete
Isn't hatred what brought us together?ReplyDelete
- AlsworthOctober 31, 2010 at 6:57 PM
Let go of your hatred, give in to the Dark Side!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousOctober 31, 2010 at 7:32 PM
This is a well-written post that has forced me to re-evaluate webcomics.me. As well, Timofei's immediate response is so pathetic that it boggles the mind that he's a contributor instead of a generic xkcd fanboy.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousOctober 31, 2010 at 8:48 PM
Wait, Timofei was serious? I thought he was trying to parody xkcd fanboys.ReplyDelete
(he was parodying xkcd fanboys, that is)ReplyDelete
- Dot Dot DotOctober 31, 2010 at 9:10 PM
LOL YUR JUST ANGRY CAUSE CUZ TIM MADE FUN OF YOR STUPID CHALKBOARD COMIXReplyDelete
Really, the one thing I really disagree here is with the commenter hate. Sure, they spend too much time nitpicking, but they genuinely critizice the shortcomings in every new post. They're not afraid of calling screwups. If anything, y see more blind hate here, ever if it's probably something about commenter ratio. At least they don't go on sucking Rob's tiny cock.
- Sherlock HolmesOctober 31, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Read Timofei's comments. He berates people who give him legitimate criticism on how his crappy non-criticism one-sentence blurbs aren't even grounded in reality.ReplyDelete
Seriously Tim, learn to write.
- Dot Dot DotOctober 31, 2010 at 9:42 PM
Sherlock: Wait what? I didn't mention Timofei's comments. I said (you talking to me right?) that commenters on webcomics.me are not "less intelligent", as Skully here stated. They give legitimate criticism and say smart things.ReplyDelete
On his second post Tim seemed like he tried to integrate that criticism. Then he threw a hissyfit and went back to the one-sentences blurbs.
- AnonymousOctober 31, 2010 at 10:19 PM
The comments on webcomics.me are less interesting because there isn't anything to talk about. If there is nothing of substance to comment on then clearly what you are going to get is chatter.ReplyDelete
So, the webcomics I link to are of no substance? Try to comment on these. The webcomics are the content. I just splice them up with some bullshit, but everyone seems to focus on the bullshit for some reason. Incidentally, my "contentless" quip about not getting VGCats seemed to generate the most discussion about the comic itself. Which is my metric of success. Maybe I should just say I don't get every comic I post.ReplyDelete
- FemalethothNovember 1, 2010 at 12:08 AM
So, for 813, I think I must be missing something, because I don't really get why the "more likely" one-liners are more likely and why the "less likely" one-liners are less likely. I can't even figure out what Randall intends the reason to be. It's just...five random one-liners, all shitty, most computer-y, and... for some reason some of them are more likely than others?ReplyDelete
This sort of bullshit is exactly the sort of thing that people come up to me and reference, and go "Yeah you know where that's from? Do ya?" and I go "Yeah, it's XKCD, I don't really like it," and we talk about other stuff instead.
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 12:09 AM
The webcomics aren't your content. You don't have any content, as linking to someone else's content is not itself content. Would a blog which features a page of five links to other blog posts generate interesting discussions? Fuck no, not unless that blog itself said something interesting about the pages it linked too. Expecting the interesting content to come from reader comments is expecting your readers to write your blog for you. Good luck with that.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 12:38 AM
Timofei, if webcomics were your content, then surely you could just dump a list of every webcomic you are currently reading, put a rating out of 5 next to it, and be done.ReplyDelete
What people want is new content, something that you come up with yourself and justify. That is called an ARGUMENT. I's why xkcdsucks is so entertaining. Carl/Rob had/has a thesis, then supports it with evidence.
I'm prepared to give you another chance. But if webcomics.me is the same in a month as it is now, I won't return.
813's alt-text - is Randall failing to spell 'detonator' properly on purpose? Or is 'detanator' an American spelling I'm not aware of?ReplyDelete
sometimes I find tim's bullshit amusing, but I would sort of prefer something more in depth, I liked carl's subnormality and SFAM comments, and they were interesting to read.ReplyDelete
I feel like some of tim's bullet point comments would make good anchors for a longer-winded rant, or whatever.
the issue is hitting the right tone- whether the longer reviews would be better written as more analytical affairs, or whether they'd be better served with entertainment in mind xkcdsuxredux style.
Tim's comments seem to commit to neither, I guess?
rob is fat
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 2:32 AM
I think I did get carried away with my indiscriminate hatred for just about anything and everything. In the future, i will try to shape my hatred into a more meaningful discussion.ReplyDelete
I also agree with almost all of the criticism of Tim's reviews. Did carl find this guy just because he has the ability to make us all rage so hard with so few words? I will give Tim credit for sparking debate on why VGcats is terrible.
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 3:03 AM
This review is spot on. Carl is smart and interesting, he should talk more. Tim should stop sucking, or else let Carl take over completely.ReplyDelete
Is "Carl taking over completely" actually an option? He barely got his posts up on time for xkcdsucks. My guess is that without any steady schedule for him to make posts he's fallen into pure laziness.ReplyDelete
In other words, if Carl wanted to post more then he would. Tim isn't crowding him out. He's simply piss poor filler while we wait for Carl to find the time.
- Andrew R.November 1, 2010 at 4:57 AM
Again, Randall tries to force-start a meme - this time by giving us half a dozen at once and hoping one makes it.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 5:12 AM
webcomics.me isn't helped by the fact that Timofei is now it's public face, and he is a total douche. Carl, this guy is sinking your blog, PULL THE PLUG.ReplyDelete
- a confused personNovember 1, 2010 at 5:50 AM
what the fuck is the point of mondays XKCD?ReplyDelete
'heres some random phrases i just made up... along with what i think are their likelyhoods of making it into action movies' - wtf?
i just dont...
i have no words. :(
Wtf is happening with Penny-Arcade today? Normally I get their weird artsy-side projects but not this one.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 5:56 AM
@Ian: yeah, I don't get it either. I hate their random side-projects - it's their webcomic and they can do what they want etc etc but, well, Lookouts, Automata, bloody Cardboard Tube Samurai, this new batch...ReplyDelete
They all leave me totally cold. I wish they'd not bother.
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 6:08 AM
@ian -ReplyDelete
gaming comics = win.
these arty side projects... argh. why? :/
problem is they always get a bunch of people going 'omg this is awesomesauce, you should do more!!' - so they do :(
when all most of us who visit penny-arcade want is to see them taking the piss out of the latest vaguely-games-related news.
- psudonymNovember 1, 2010 at 6:22 AM
I donno-ReplyDelete
I liked Automata, but the concept it'snt new, it's like an asimov graphic novel.
when they let external people take over the writing and art style the offshoots look even worse.
The tiny kittenteeth version of lookouts was fucking foul, and the pastel-shaded automata with a cheery and human-like robot shat all over everything good about the story.
the new kid could be okay, dust looks tired and old.
I haven't seen the newest, but both dust and the new kid could do with some more dynamic panel structure; as opposed to SQUARES FOREVER
- soodo nameNovember 1, 2010 at 6:27 AM
double posting like a faggot-ReplyDelete
just saw the new one, looks like mulan, or basically anything written by tamora peirce.
these short PA stories are confusing, and aren't really fresh or original- however since we usually don't get much story from offshoots either there isn't too much time to add something new either.
I was sold on Queen of Bells with the first two panels, and my interest was maintained through the rest of it. I want to know what this list is for and who the old man is. [Obviously I think the list is of targets for assassination. But why these people? For what purpose?] These panels carried the rest of it for me.ReplyDelete
Sand and New Kid on the other hand sound extremely boring. I've seen enough "New Kid On The Block" type stories to last a lifetime. Although I imagine Mike and Jerry have a different relationship with the story since they have children of their own. All we got for Sand was "Here's a guy who can't die." Not very intriguing.
@soodo name
"I liked Automata, but the concept it'snt (sic) new, it's like an asimov graphic novel."
You say that like it's a bad thing.
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 7:54 AM
@ arthurReplyDelete
I was sold on Queen of Bells with the first two panels, and my interest was maintained through the rest of it. I want to know what this list is for and who the old man is.
"I am easy to please, and I enjoyed the comic even though it was confusing and I did not understand it"
I bet you liked lost too, a story that was dragged kicking and screaming by raising hundreds of questions, and providing no answers until
There's a difference between intrigue and plain lazy writing, you'd do well to learn it.
- Aloria's CatNovember 1, 2010 at 7:59 AM
Hi iam cattReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 8:06 AM
@Arthur: I assume he's picking a name for the girl, deciding finally on "Belruel", from which you derive the title "Queen of Bel(l)s" much like the star of "Reckless" happens to be "Jacob Reckless". Fucking awful name, I'm glad I did not buy that book.ReplyDelete
If it's like last time, PA will get people to vote on their favourite and BAM -- story line. And then later, the others will get storylines too for some reason.
Randall is basically just swearing more and hoping to get shock-reactions, I think? These one-liners would be funny either a)given context or b)if they seemed entirely spur-of-the-moment, ie: in a real conversation. As it stands, Randall is sitting in the uncanny valley between the two where we just grit our teeth and ask, "Really?"
See, I don't understand how you're number 1.
- UndercoverCuddlefishNovember 1, 2010 at 8:54 AM
@7:54 "i want to know what happens next" is not the same thing as "this confused me and i did not understand it" so go choke on a dickReplyDelete
re:webcomics.me yes it sucks and i stopped checking it after two days i can only assume that rob is trolling us by throwing this shitty pointless review in with the xkcd critiques
re:813 utter shit
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 9:19 AM
It's disappointing how quickly the site has started to suck--I stopped reading every post except Carl's fairly quickly.ReplyDelete
I like 813. Fuck you all.ReplyDelete
"Looks like the Fed just lowered the interest rate." BAM BAM!
@Mr Cushtie: R. Munroe made a SPELLING MISTAKE! CALL THE POLICE!
- The Infamous AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 9:29 AM
Oups, I linked to infamousanonymous.blogspot.com as a joke, 'cuz I liked the name "infamous anonymous." Turns up there is actually a blog using that url...ReplyDelete
I guess I should've scrolled all the way to the bottom before clicking "agree"
hmm, that blog is written by a creepy man who stalks girls over the internet and, given by how he alludes to 'dark secrets', probably murders women to stop them from leaving him...ReplyDelete
actually that could be randall OR rob
@Cuddleymous 7:54ReplyDelete
"I am easy to please, and I enjoyed the comic even though it was confusing and I did not understand it"
Yes! That's exactly what I said. Except what I instead said was that the untold details actually sound like they could be interesting, unlike the other two offerings.
"I bet you liked lost too"
From your comment you know more about lost than I do. I've never seen an episode and don't plan on it. It sounded like meaningless drivel, and I did well to keep away from it. I'm sorry that the ending let you down.
"I assume he's picking a name for the girl, deciding finally on 'Belruel'"
I agree that the girl's name is Belruel. Although the fact that the name Belruel is not on the list, and the fact that the list has not been completely crossed out yet makes me question your theory.
On the other hand, the news post lends evidence to your theory. The relevant passage: "The song is more or less about falling in love with your in-game character". It could be that the old man is falling in love with a name and character he's created. (In a fatherly sort of way! Not pedophilia. Jeeze.) Which is to say Belruel is a fictional character whose tales are written down by a fictional character. There are layers of fiction here.
I usually like PA's side projects. it makes for a nice change of pace. mostly, as I usually do when there is backlash against something which is different from what people are used to, I attribute it to "it's different from what I'm used to/expect and therefore I don't like it." which isn't entirely unfair--it can be quite jarring--but I feel that people don't give them much of a chance.ReplyDelete
I liked the art in the Queen of Bells one but as an introductory comic it feels lacking--it doesn't really give me an idea for the premise or the high concept. which is effective in that I want to know what it's about, but less effective in that in these situations there's always a decent chance that once I find out what it's about it won't interest me.
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 3:13 PM
The second of the PA side projects, the "new kid" one, was conceptually repulsive. Oh boy, a cliche in space! The worst part was probably the newspost that accompanied it where Gabe and Tycho claimed that it could be their next big thing, which made me lose a lot of faith in them. Not that there was much remaining after that horrible video game they made.ReplyDelete
i'm pretty sure by "big" they just meant "this project will be a large project," not that it would be vast and famous or whatever.ReplyDelete
I reiterate a point I made before: Jerry Holkins and Mike Krahulik are both fathers. I am neither a father nor a young boy, and therefore have no awareness of this aspect of our society.ReplyDelete
In other words the project is completely nonsensical to me. However I believe it makes sense from the perspective of actual fathers.
I think it has less to do with being fathers and more to do with narratives and their structures.ReplyDelete
New Kid as conceived has a very serial nature to it. it's taking the well-known narrative of "kid has to move around a lot, getting used to a new home" and adding to it "weird new speculative fiction vistas." you could do that with just one place, but in the particular model The New Kid sets up it feels like it's designed to be a coming-of-age tale set across many worlds.
perhaps not. but that's what I thought when I read 'this could be the biggest thing we've ever done.'
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 5:14 PM
Here's a quote from Gabe about its bigness: "Being the new kid is hard, being the new kid in a school full of aliens is harder. Tycho mentioned that this one could be the biggest thing we ever do and I think he's right. My fantasy is to see Dreamworks, Disney or Nickelodeon make an animated feature or a Saturday morning cartoon out of this one. Who knows maybe they will see it and give me a call!" If that doesn't make you want to vomit then I don't know what will.ReplyDelete
i stand corrected, i guess.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 7:20 PM
I liked Automata. Probably I liked it *because* it was like an Asimov story. I agree that New Kid looks very boring. Out of the 3, I actually find Dust most interesting.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 8:22 PM
I think that Dust is the only one with potential. The New Kid is a cliche in space (and consequently boring, I agree). The other one, I can't be bothered to look up the name, is so vague that no one knows what it is about.ReplyDelete
The best part, however, is that readers will vote on the one they like best, and as a consequence the PA team will have someone unrelated develop it in a different direction with a different style. Come on! People liked the PA version, that doesn't mean they are so enamored with the idea that they will like anything resembling it. What happened to Lookouts was especially bad, and the fact that the PA team put it up on their website and praised it up and down makes me question their taste and their sanity.
"The best part, however, is that readers will vote on the one they like best, and as a consequence the PA team will have someone unrelated develop it in a different direction with a different style."ReplyDelete
that only happened with Lookouts, and I think someone wrote it without prompting. the other ones they did (Automata, and later the PA version of Lookouts) was pretty much in keeping with the original theme. and, you know, actually done by them.
"What happened to Lookouts was especially bad, and the fact that the PA team put it up on their website and praised it up and down makes me question their taste and their sanity. "
it's easy to like something that someone else has made based on one of your ideas, even if it's not very good. I can forgive them thinking the guest arc was worth posting.
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2010 at 9:39 PM
It's a good example of why even generally competent people need external criticism and, more importantly, need to listen to it.ReplyDelete
indeed. though it is difficult for a comics person to get criticism before posting a comic.ReplyDelete
Rob is like a repulsive corpulent werewolf, every time he posts something I wholly agree with I become disenchanted with life and must comfort eat copious amounts of high sat fats.ReplyDelete
I gained a stone the past month, it begins
- AnonymousNovember 3, 2010 at 3:14 AM
Tim, sure it's ok for you to make lazy and contentless posts, that's your right and all, but that's not how xkcdsucks got it's audience. If you want to retain the xkcdsucks readership, posts that are so short, they could be posted in a single tweet (including the link to the comic) are not the way to do it.ReplyDelete
I see that webcomics.me is not ad-supported, so I guess it doesn't *really* matter how many readers you have, but why bother posting it on the internet, if not for others to read?
That people thought Tim's post in the beginning of this comments thread was serious makes me lose some degree of faith in the intellect of the sorts of folk who despise XKCD.ReplyDelete
Also I totally dig Penny Arcade's side projects. Gabe is a talented artist and Tycho's a talented writer, so I'm generally pretty pleased to see them do new sorts of things. Especially since their standard comics have been somewhat hit or miss as of late, while their artsy shit has been more consistently quality whenever they do it.


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Caroline Treis and Adriana DePaolis competed in the ITA singles draw, each earning a victory in the tournament. Treis opened with a (6-4, 6-2) decision over St. Norbert's Nancy Chybowski before falling (6-1, 7-5) to Coe's Tai Lucero, the tournament's top seed. DePaolis opened with a (6-0, 6-3) loss to second-seeded Victoria Bravo of St. Kate's. She then rebounded to win (6-0, 6-0) against Carroll's Megan Rosenberg. DePaolis' tournament run came to an end with a (6-1, 7-5) loss to Jordan Ferree of Coe.
The Norse had a pair of doubles tandems also participating in the ITA doubles draw. After falling (8-6) to St. Thomas' Shelby Henderson and Lauren Keller in their opening match, Luther's Jenna Myers and Olivia Heitz ran off three straight wins in the consolation draw. The duo made its way to the consolation final before losing (8-3) to Katie Gillman and Maddie Johnson of UW-Eau Claire. Along the way, Myers and Heitz earned victories over Katelyn Glenna and Gabby Rivera of Macalester (8-3), Maria Koval and Angie Lorenzen of St. Kate's (9-7), and Erika Williams and Amy Upthagrove of UW-Whitewater (8-5). Treis and Lauren Welch also played in the event, but dropped a pair of matches to tandems from UW-La Crosse and Edgewood.
Six Luther players played in various Midwest Invite singles draws, combining to win 10 matches. Welch nailed down victories over Olivia Gallagher of UW-Eau Claire (6-4, 6-2), Sam Silcox of Gustavus Adolphus (6-4, 6-3), and Julia Rumley of Grinnell (3-6, 6-3, (10-5)), advancing to the title match of Draw #5 before dropping a (6-2, 6-0) decision to Katherine Ake of St. Norbert. Megan Wachholz also won three matches while competing in Draw #7. After dropping her first round match to St. Olaf's Lizzy Carlson (6-2, 6-2), Wachholz came back to win the back draw. She beat Lissia Carroll of St. Norbert (8-3), Rachel Siemon of UW-Whitewater (8-6), and finished in style with an (8-0) win over Minna Montgomery of Grinnell.
Kylie Kruse advanced to the semi-finals in Draw #6 with victories against Caitlin Owsley of St. Olaf (6-4, 7-5) and Amanda Ropiak of Concordia-Wisconsin (6-3, 6-4). She lost (6-1, 6-4) to Ariel Bloniarz of St. Norbert. Jenna Myers and Molly Brown each grabbed one victory in the main draw. Myers was a (6-3, 6-3) winner over Cal Carlson of Gustavus Adolphus in Draw #1. She lost (6-3, 6-2) to Grinnell's Emma MacDonald in the second round. Brown beat St. Norbert's Emily Rasmussen (6-0, 6-2) in her first match before falling (6-2, 6-4) to Carleton's Julia Kromholz. Olivia Heitz dropped a pair of matches to players from Carleton and UW-Whitewater.
Wachholz and Kruse rattled off four straight wins on the doubles court after an opening round (8-2) loss to Samantha Fleming and Rachael Wabers of UW-La Crosse. The Norse duo defeated Hamline's Elizabeth Hughes and Emily Butler (8-1), UW-Whitewater's Kristin Zeilinger and Maddie Benhoff (8-2), Grinnell's Rumley and Montgomery (8-4), and St. Norbert's Ake and Maggie Berens (8-5) in the title match. Meanwhile, DePaolis and Brown knocked off Maggie Nelson and Bailey Abeyesekera of Gustavus Adolphus by an (8-1) count before losing in the second round to Bailey Kent and Andrea Jumes of St. Olaf.
2013 USTA/ITA Women's Tennis Midwest Regional Championships
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I've been listening to a local radio show here in San Antonio. The host, Geoff Sheen, says that the extension that the Cowboys gave Romo was what his market value currently is. In other words, if Tony Romo had been a free agent this year, that contract is what other teams would have paid to sign Romo. So, I'd like to pose this question to the Kansas City Chiefs fan base:
If Tony Romo were a free agent this year, would you rather have Tony Romo at 6yr/$108m, Alex Smith for 2yr/$9m/600 draft pts, or Geno Smith for 5yr/$4m/3000 draft pts?


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TEWKSBURY -- Residents are set to see another jump in water rates next year, but not as high as originally expected.
Sewer rates are still set to rise the recommended 8 percent, but Tewksbury officials are working with the town's legislative delegation in hopes of stemming future rate hikes.
The average household will pay about $9 more on its water bill next year, and $32 more on its sewer bill.
The increases are relatively small compared to the 30 to 75 percent increases of 2010, which led frustrated residents to vote for a shift of half of the town's sewer debt onto the town's property-tax bills instead.
"We're doing the best we can to try and keep a handle on what we owe, and make it as fair as we can," said Board of Selectmen Chairman David Gay.
In late February, Town Manager Richard Montuori presented selectmen with his recommended water and sewer budgets, calling for a 6 percent increase in water rates and an 8 percent increase in sewer rates.
Two weeks later, Montuori revised his proposal to include a 2 percent water-rate hike.
He said the drop came after he learned the town took in more revenue from water liens than projected.
The lien revenue comes from fees paid by residents who are late on their bills, Montuori said.
"We have a lot of them," he said. "We end up collecting them. It just takes about a year after they're paid."
The original presentation reported $200,000 in water-lien revenue, but there ended up being $650,000.
A family using the town's average of 55,000 gallons of water a year will see its rate go up from the current $9.44 per thousand gallons to $9.63 per thousand gallons, for a bill totaling $433.43.
Sewer rates for a household with average usage will rise from $8.43 per thousand gallons to $9.10, for a total bill of $431.48.
Sewer-lien revenue also came in higher than anticipated, with the final number at $500,000, instead of the original $150,000.
That change won't have an impact on rates, but will instead be moved to a surplus revenue account.
"There just wasn't enough movement there to make a difference," Montuori said.
The rate jumps are the result of the sewer- and water-line expansion the town first took on in 2001. The project carried a $98 million pricetag, financed through 20-year bonds.
For Fiscal 2014, $3.7 million in debt service will make up 60 percent of the $6.4 million sewer enterprise budget.
"We have to pay for everything that we bought," Selectmen Vice Chairman Doug Sears said. "It's a matter of prudent fiscal responsibility of paying what is due."
While selectmen have said they support these comparatively small rate hikes, some on the board are hoping the state can step in for future relief.
A bill filed by Tewksbury state Reps. Jim Lyons, R-Andover, Jim Miceli, D-Wilmington, and state Sen. Barry Finegold, D-Andover, calls for the allocation of the state's Sewer Relief Fund to be quadrupled and at least $200,000 of that money to be earmarked specifically for Tewksbury.
Gay said he, Sears and Selectman Todd Johnson asked the lawmakers for help finding a way to both keep the rates down and stop future escalation.
Established in 1993, the Sewer Relief Fund pays out to communities that have applied for assistance in covering their debt service for wastewater-removal projects.
Sears said the Sewer Relief Fund was designed to support communities in expanding their sewer systems but has not been fully funded by the Legislature.
For the 2012 and 2013 fiscal years, $500,000 was allocated for the fund. Tewksbury's legislative delegation wants to see that number boosted to $2 million.
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Jackie Lau read and agreed. 91030
Jackie Lau read and agreed. 91030
O man, just got an email from UPS saying mine was shipped
I can't wait!
I wanna see some youtube videos from you guys!
I agree to the 30 day return policy. Dave Morley 12027
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Got the shipped PM this morning and got the Shoebox this afternoon So when are you going to sell one of those star trek teleporters ?
Thanks a bunch
Originally Posted by AGD
I finally got through with registration on the site, whoo hoo!
Read and agreed, 91030. Just lmk what the next step is!
How do we find out if we've made the cut?
I have read and agree to the conditions.
My Zip 32608
Everyone so far has made the cut. We will be shutting off orders very soon.
Conditions read and agreed to.
Please count me in for one to 29169.
Just got my PM for shipping/payment info
Read, understood and agreed. 99615
I have read and agree to the conditions.
My Zip 53228
So all we do is wait for the PM to come?
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YEP! AGDOriginally Posted by p8ntbal4me
Read through and agreed to terms..... 91207
Hi Tom,Made it in . I agree to the 30 day return policy and my zip is 98032.Regards, Doyle.
Originally Posted by kd4arf
I would encourage everyone to include an extra 3% in your order. Tom is already taking a hit and he will get nailed wiith about 3% paypal charges.
I did and got a very nice message back from carol....made it all worthwhile....
Lets help him out for doing this for us!!!
Just send it personal. If you can't trust Tom who can you trust.
I've read your terms and agree with the no warranty/money back only
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The money back thing's just fine by me. 60618--I'll even pick it up, if possible.
Originally Posted by AGD
Got my Shoebox today. Must say I'm very impressed with it, its a very neat little contraption
Just bought an SCBA tank and hose to go with the minni compressor
Hey Carol,I'm ready to pull the trigger(pun intended)
"The money back thing is ok with me!!" I have read and understand the limited warrantee. 47586
Read and accepted the terms. Zip 28806
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How 'bout one for your buddy Casey? I'll be your best friend!
We are close to closing the order list for the first run. If your on this order thread, your on the list. There have been several emails from customers thinking they didn't make it. At this moment, if your on the list, you will be getting an email from us but it could take several weeks.
We are only building 2 a day so please stand by.
I have read the policy and agree with it completely. I hope i make the cut, 51046.
I have read and accept Russ Meyer 67212Originally Posted by AGD
I argee with the money back thing and everything else!
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I've tried almost every potion, poultice, syrup, pill, powder, lozenge and tincture under the sun, all to no avail. Desperate times call for desperate measures and it'll be a cold day in Walthamstow before I let Kwanzaa be ruined too so if I'm not on the mend by tomorrow it'll be the ole Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap. Dilute! Dilute! O.K.!


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"Through the Looking Glass"
Human relationships are a complex theme. Richard Idemon is exploring it with brilliance and humanity in his book "Through the Looking Glass". In his view relationships are looking glasses/mirrors of our own unfolding process as individuals. We are constantly changing on the path of individuation. While changing ourselves our relationships will be changing, too. If you are meeting the seemingly "wrong" partners again and again it might be time for an individuation check. Your relationship patterns will tell where you are on your path. That's the moment when Richard Idemons' book comes in. It is the perfect read offering "A Search for the Self in the Mirror of Relationships", as it reads in the subtitle. Psychology tells us that human beings are searching for wholeness. People are looking for it in the outside: in their relationships with partners, children, friends and parents. If we are not whole within in the sense of being aware of our unconscious parts which include our unwanted and undeveloped qualities we will meet them inevitably in our surroundings. These "uninvited guests", as Richard Idemon calls them, lounge around us like bad vibrations. Our partners will respond to these and acting them out for us (wholeness achieved!). This relationship model is based on the depth psychology of C. G. Jung. Although Richard Idemon draws upon Jungian concepts he uses them in his own original way.
According to Richard Idemon the astrological moon plays a crucial role in relationships: "In my mind, the most basic and fundamental planet to do with love isn't Venus - it's the Moon." The moon is the key to our most basic needs. The first love experience we have is our relationship with the mother. Therefore the first part of the book is dedicated to "The Basics of Relating". It explores the ways we mythologize our own charts, how our inner child looks like, the parent-child relationship and what the lunar aspects tell about our needs. If we don't take care of those needs the likeliness of projection in relationships is increased, as Richard Idemon points out. It is also a strong indicator for symbiotic behaviour that is keeping people in dependent relationships. To identify the inner child Richard Idemon focuses on the element of the moon. An earth moon for instance feels loved when being touched, stroked, fed, and given real and tangible things as a demonstration of love. If the earth moon person is in love with an air moon person both of them soon have a problem when projecting their completely different needs because the person with the air moon feels loved when being talked to and knowing what's in the mind of the lover.
Richard Idemon states two types of relationships depending on the integration of the moon. The first is called static and has the quality characteristics: no change, no risk, safety and security are the prime goal, dependency, parent-child-symbiosis. The second is called erotic and characterized by the keywords: risky, variety, independence, adult-adult-relationship, open to change. Richard Idemon estimates an average of 90 percent living in a static partnership. Probably the situation today hasn't changed much.
Romantic love
In the second part of the book Richard Idemon is exploring the concept of romantic love. In his view this concept is still prevalent in western culture. It contains the medieval and Renaissance idea of courtly love and is based on the belief that a man and a woman who fall in love get married and live happily ever after. Part of this myth is also that the erotic intensity in the beginning of the relationship ought to continue for ever. The main problem with this fairy tale myth according to Richard Idemon is that it mixes up different forms of love: it confuses personal love with interpersonal and with transpersonal love.
Richard Idemon draws upon the ancient Greeks and their definitions of love to explain various forms and their respective astrological signs and planets. The four types of love in ancient Greek are epithemia, philia, eros and agape. Epithemia means plain "horniness" which Richard Idemon is relating to the "flesh" sign Taurus. Philia means an idealized or aesthetic other, a concept that Idemon associates with Leo, the first of the social signs. In Leo we conceive ourselves as clearly distinct from other people. Only then we can find pleasure in discovering the "other". The self-awakening we experience in philia leads on to eros meaning two or more people experiencing a transformation through their combination. Idemon associates Scorpio and Pluto to eros. Agape finally is a kind of godlike, detached love describing the desire to connect with the divine through a partner - and having no problem with letting him/her go and having relationships with other people. This type is associated with Aquarius and Uranus. Beyond this excursion to the ancient Greeks Idemon is also exploring Neptunian, Mercurian, Venusian and Marsian love. Thus giving a remedy against romantic love. Knowing that there are so many forms of love you will never again belief in the concept of the one and only.
The third part of the book is completely practical. An overview of relationship significators in the natal chart is given and the case of the famous dancer Isadora Duncan is discussed who had several relationships with men. A sample interpretation of synastry is also given for Zelda and F. Scott Fitzgerald, a fabled couple whose triumph and tragedy has afflicted the decade with which they are most associated, the 1920s. Synastry is a technique which basically compares two charts with one another. It's a common technique in relationship astrology.
"The Magic Thread"
"The Magic Thread" is the transcript of Richard Idemons' last week long seminar. An advanced introduction to his method of chart interpretation it introduces the labyrinth as a metaphor for the work of an astrologer. Astrologers would need such a "magic" thread like in the greek myth where Ariadne gave Theseus a thread helping him to find the minotaur in the center of the labyrinth. In the first years of practice every astrologer knows the feeling of getting lost when viewing a chart and trying to put the many things together: the signs, the planets, the aspects, the houses, the elements. Richard Idemon offers guidance playing the role of Ariadne .
He introduces a system which counts the various factors of a chart thus producing a set of data. This system helps tracking down the main themes of a person. The chart factors are basically divided into superior and inferior functions. Superior means that the person has easy access to the qualities the factors symbolize. Inferior describes a quality that is underneath - it is unconscious and not easily expressed by the person. A speciality of this system are the missing functions. These and singletons are top factors because they draw a lot of psychic attention. Anything that is absent in a chart is likely to exert a powerful unconscious influence over a person, as Richard Idemon poignantly shows in the second chapter.
If you ever wanted to understand the psychological impact of a missing element then I warmly recommend this chapter. This is the best I've ever read about this topic. Richard Idemon has such a profound knowledge and understanding of the number of faces a missing element has that you really get the essence.
Besides you get much astrology in action. Richard Idemon is unwinding the thread of Ariadne in various case studies. Most of them are his clients. Two chapters (6 and 7) are dealing with complex family issues such as child disability and sexual abuse. Another chapter is dedicated to "The Ascendant as Mask" which is referring to the Jungian definition of mask. In this chapter Richard Idemon presents the charts of two historical figures. The first is the famous author Ernest Hemingway and the second the less known poet Hart Crane. Both were born exactly the same day (21.7.1899) but approximately 12 hours apart. The ascendants of the two fall in opposite signs - virgo and pisces mirroring each other. These perfectly chosen and interpreted examples show Richard Idemons original gift as a teacher: He brings the theory of the Ascendant to life.
The book finishes with a discussion of questions which inevitably rise when working with clients. If you need practical advice in counseling you get some useful ideas here.
"Through the Looking Glass" and "The Magic Thread" are deeply grounded in psychological astrology providing many valuable insights. Richard Idemons' original style makes them a timeless read. Practicing and studying astrologers will profit from their ingenuity. However, beginners of astrology might be lost because the basics of astrology is taken for granted. The title "The Magic Thread" might also be misleading if wrongly understood. The book doesn't provide a magic instrument which supersedes serious horoscope interpretation. The contrary is true. One gets a lively impression of the sweating work of chart interpretation - and the struggling with it. A help in the labyrinth of the book is the index at the end of "The Magic Thread", so key terms can quickly be looked up. The index is lacking in "Through the Looking Glass". I think the fact that these books are available at all is what really counts here.
Above all I recommend these books because of the warm and engaging personality of Richard Idemon. His passion and compassion brightly shine through the pages. In his teaching astrology really comes to life. Practicing with all his heart, his brilliance, originality and honesty, Richard Idemon is still outstanding.
Reviewed by: Trudy Baumann
Richard Idemon:
The Magic Thread / Through the Looking Glass
Wessex Astrologer, Bournemouth, 2010 (originally published 1996/1992)
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Richard Idemon died more than 30 years ago - in 1987 - only living to the age of 49. He was among the pioneers who introduced psychology to astrology in the seventies and eighties holding seminars together with Liz Greene. His books "Through the Looking Glass" and "The Magic Thread" give a lively impression of his work which was revolutionary at that time. They preserve a wonderful spirit which is still inspiring readers today.
Richard Idemon was a teacher with all his heart and highly estimated by students and fellow astrologers. Donna Cunningham, one of the grand old ladies of astrology now, took classes with him in New York. A passionate and gifted speaker Richard Idemon was invited at conferences all over the world in the heyday of psychological astrology.
Although a born teacher Richard Idemon didn't write a book during lifetime. He endowed a literary trust to publish his work. Thus the transcripts of two week long conferences became available for the public. Howard Sasportas, likewise a big name in astrology, edited "Through the Looking Glass" which appeared in 1992. It's the transcript of a seminar given in 1985. Gina Ceaglio, a fellow astrologer and friend, edited "The Magic Thread", the transcript of Richard Idemons' last seminar given in 1986. It was originally published in 1996.
These books have been out of print for a while. Thanks to Wessex Astrologer they have a revival as reprints. The significance of the books is considerable. They have made an impact on astrologers. The readers of the Astrological Journal have recently been asked which books influenced them most. The answer was: Richard Idemons'.


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Renaissance Kids
Session 3 Day 3 Ages 10-12
Wed, June 18, 2014 @ 08:30 am - 12:00 pm
A program in which kids ages 5–15 are provided with fun, creative and educational hands-on activities relating to architecture. Space is limited and the first session begins next Monday, June 9.
The theme this summer is "Design for All People" and will encourage kids to place themselves in the shoes of architects who cater to clients' unique needs. Architects realize the vast array of differences between people and must be able to accommodate everyone. Renaissance Kids participants are encouraged to use their imagination to problem-solve, draw and build throughout the program.
During the event, guests will attend the class to serve as 'clients' for which the students will design. If you or someone you know are interested in volunteering to be a 'client' for this event, contact Moreno at 269-932-5055 or email@example.com.
This year the Krasl Art Center has approved two projects in which Renaissance Kids attendees will be involved. The first is a memorial art installation that will involve kids in each session. The second is this year's build project for Session 7 kids; a sitting space of benches and a bench swing hanging between masonry piers.
The camp will be held at the architecture building, located at 8435 E. Campus Circle Dr.
For more information and registration forms, visit andrews.edu/go/renaissancekids.


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The CWC Bulldogs met a pair of familiar opponents over the weekend, in Hamilton Co. and Gallatin Co. Both teams defeated CWC in the Harrisburg Tourney.
The CWC Bulldogs met a pair of familiar opponents over the weekend, in Hamilton Co. and Gallatin Co. Both teams defeated CWC in the Harrisburg Tourney.
Friday night, CWC traveled to Hamilton Co. and fell in a thrilling game, 46-44.
The Bulldogs were down the entire game, but managed a furious comeback in the final quarter.
In the fourth quarter, Andy Vaughan and Brodie Brown collided face first going for a loose ball. Brown suffered a gash across his cheek and left the game. Later in the quarter, Vaughan and Chase Sailer would both foul out, leaving Coach Eric Dixon to go into the bench for those who could help get the win.
The game came down to CWC getting multiple looks at the basket as time expired, but could not get one to drop for the tie.
Brown led the Bulldogs with 12 points. Other scorers were Vaughan with 10, Dylan Rankin with seven, Sailer with six, Jamey Steed with five and Seth Gross with four.
CWC then hosted Gallatin Co. on Saturday, losing 60-31.
Andrew Drone proved to be too much for the Bulldogs to stop, scoring 23 in the win.
CWC struggled across the board, with no player scoring in double digits in the game.
Vaughan came closest, scoring nine points in the game to lead the Bulldogs.
Other scorers were Rankin with seven, Steed with six, Sailer with four, Gross with three and Brown with two.
The junior varsity boys defeated Hamilton County, 48-35, but fell to Gallatin Co., 45-38.
CWC will travel to West Frankfort Tuesday night. Tip off for the junior varsity game is 6:15 p.m.


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KDE 4.1.3 Codename "Change" Released
The KDE Community today announced the immediate availability of "Change" (also known as KDE 4.1.3), another
As a service release, the changelog
KDE 4.1.3 also ships a more complete set of translations.
I hope I can print odd pages with this released!
By Dexter at Wed, 2008/11/05 - 6:00am
Re: Congratulations.
check out the release notes; if the bug you filed about your printing problem is listed in them, then you should be fine.
By borker at Wed, 2008/11/05 - 6:00am
Re: Congratulations.
Not all fixes are in the release log, you need to read the detailed release notes (you can reach them with a link in the release notes)
By Beat Wolf at Wed, 2008/11/05 - 6:00am
Re: Congratulations.
It seems I will continue using KDE3 'cos to buy a duplex printer is out of question :)
By Dexter at Wed, 2008/11/05 - 6:00am
Re: Congratulations.
By Beat Wolf at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Spread the news
By Tsiolkovsky at Wed, 2008/11/05 - 6:00am
Bug in Suse rpm's?
FIrst of all: Thanks for updating KDE.
I have seen the message and had to install it. Unfortunately, I am without plasma. It hangs (100% cpu and no interaction) and the system tray is totally screwed up (all icons at the same place). Does anyone else experience this problem on openSuse or is it again a config file incompatibility between bug fix releases? Thanks for useful advice.
PS: Nice kodename. (though it is true on my desktop)
By Sebastian at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: Bug in Suse rpm's?
I just updated two opensuse 11.0, all fine for me..
By Kailed at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: Bug in Suse rpm's?
It's all working fine for me on OpenSUSE 11.1 beta 4.
Perhaps you should ask your question in the OpenSUSE forum.
By R. J. at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: Bug in Suse rpm's?
I can confirm that Sebastian. I also did the update on two computers. KDE starts up with all the apps that I had open before and I can hear the startup sound but no Plasma. The funny thing is that Atl+F2 isn't working this time around so that i could staart Plasma manually.
Re: Bug in Suse rpm's?
Could you file a bug at bugzilla.novell.com? It may be due to the backports from KDE 4.2 we added and it would be good to fix this before openSUSE 11.1 Please include a backtrace obtained with gdb -p `pidof plasma`.
By Will Stephenson at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: Bug in Suse rpm's?
I checked the packages just now and realised that there are some new packages available so i did the update and things are working fine. It looks like we in Germany get the experimental packages first and later the tested ones :)
Re: Bug in Suse rpm's?
Same problem for me here on Opensuse 11.0. Plasma hangs and uses 100 % of cpu. If someone has posted a bug, please provide the link. I want help :=)
By Marco at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
I updated today, since it worked for Bobby. But it didn't help me.
KRunner and other things still work!
Now I work with Kicker :(
By Sebastian at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
I just found out that disabling the system tray solves the problem.
By Sebastian at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: Workaround
That's the only thing that's not working for me right now but it's a bit funny working without the system tray. I just hope that they will fix it soon.
By Bobby at Fri, 2008/11/07 - 6:00am
Re: Workaround
Still, plasma is quite slow here. It takes 2 seconds before the taskbar understands that some windows disappeared. Can you agree with that?
By Sebastian at Fri, 2008/11/07 - 6:00am
Re: Bug in Suse rpm's?
It happens to my OpenSUSE 11.0 too. I have updated to the latest packages but the system tray is still not working.
Is there a bug filed to Suse yet? URL?
By Morgg at Fri, 2008/11/07 - 6:00am
Re: Bug in Suse rpm's?
By Sebastian at Fri, 2008/11/07 - 6:00am
Re: Bug in Suse rpm's?
I read in an openSUSE Forums thread (http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/399058-kde-4-1-3-now-factory-2.h...) that it was a problem with libqt4 version.
And when I downgraded libqt4 to the version in the KDE:Qt repository it was actually fixed.
Previously, I had a newer version (4.4.3+20081104-1.1probably unstable) from the home:anubisg1 repository (that I use for Pidgin), so check if you have this repository too. It was fixed by setting KDE4 official repositories to a lower value (higher priority).
I hope it helps, it's been tough surviving without system tray :-)
By Morgg at Fri, 2008/11/07 - 6:00am
Re: Bug in Suse rpm's?
True. I used the package from the QT44 repository. That one was broken as well. The one in the factory repository works fine.
Seems to me that openSuse must find a management system for quality control of the individual repositories.
By Sebastian at Fri, 2008/11/07 - 6:00am
Why can't there be bug free software?
and then KDE 3.5.10 has still the ancient scrolling bug in the file dialogue. It is these small things that you really hate.
Re: Why can't there be bug free software?
There is no such thing as bug-free software.
The homepage's release date is wrong
On 3rd October 2008, the KDE community released KDE 4.1.2 codenamed "Change", KDE 4.1.3 is the third bugfix, translation and performance update to the KDE 4.1 series, featuring numerous improvements in various parts of KDE's applications and workspace.
The date is wrong,it should be "3rd November 2008"
By shappen at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: The homepage's release date is wrong
no it is not wrong, re-read it. it is stating that 4.1.2 was released on the 3rd of october
By R. J. at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: The homepage's release date is wrong
It should be the "4th November 2008" and the codename "Change we can believe in" ;)
Must upgrade
Fantastic! Looks like there are some Kwin fixes.
By winter at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Panel artifacts still keeps KDE4 away :(
Great news and thanks for the release. I really wish to use KDE4 and I was using it for few days. But the Panel artifacts while using wine and gtk application (http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157017) make me go back to KDE3. I know it is an nvidia driver issue but I cant help it. It seems there is no proper workaround for this issue. Even an upgrade to the latest Nvidia driver did not fix that issue. Too Bad :(
By jst4fun at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Linux and graphic card drivers
This is one of the things that is driving a lot of users crazy in the Linux world. I recently changed my mainboard. I bought a new one with an Intel GMA 3100 because I have heard so much good things about Intel GMA, as a matter of fact I even have an older laptop, a Thinkpad R60e with an Intel GMA and it works like a charm but the newer chips seems to have some driver problems.
I was fascinated at first (Intel GMA 3100) that I just installed openSuse with KDE 4 and everything just worked! Compositing was enabled and I didn't need to install an extra driver in order to get eye-candies or even worse, enter the console and change to the vesa driver just to get access to the desktop after a fresh install like it is with my nVidia card.
The problems with the Intel GMA 3100 started when I visited Youtube - Flash brought the whole system down within minutes especially on firefox. Within minutes of viewing a Youtube video all I have is a black screen and a dead keyboard. The other problem is the thumbnail preview of videos in the panel, they all appear blue - there is no video preview just a blue window. If I move Kaffeine across the screen while it's playing a video then it also shows a blue background and cause the system to crash at times. This is really frustrating.
Re: Linux and graphic card drivers
mmm..I think you are using Xaa...try enabling EXA in xorg.conf
By Giovanni Venturi at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: Linux and graphic card drivers
I tried EXA after filing a bug report and getting this suggestion but it only made things worst. I even got some funny colours when starting KDE.
Re: Linux and graphic card drivers
Driver issues are driving me nuts. I have yet to hear of any driver that did not have a problem with KDE4. NVidia sucks, ATI is flaky, and Intel is hit or miss. I'm really starting to wonder what kind of cards the Plasma developers are using.
A mentioned this gripe to a friend, and he said he didn't have any problems at all with KDE4 on exactly the same laptop as mine. Vainly hoping that he had a magical xorg.conf file, I started using his system. Yet the problems were even worse on his. Anything related to Plasma or the desktop renders slow and flicker, and turning on desktop effects causes weird side effects. I pointed out the problems to him and he said, "Oh that's normal. You get used to it." Am I just being too picky?
By David Johnson at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: Linux and graphic card drivers
I am not really picky but the fact that I can't watch a 2 minutes long Youtube video without the system going down is really driving me crazy.
I have installed KUbuntu 8.10 thinking that it was an openSuse problem but I encountered the same problem. I even installed openSuse 11.1 beta 4 today and tried watching flash videos but it was the same, only that the system took a little longer to crash.
Like you said, it would be interesting to know which video cards the devs use.
Re: Linux and graphic card drivers
I agree. It's still not perfect - no matter what cards and driver you use and I've tried a LOT. I found the best results with ATI cards and the Open Source radeon driver and EXA enabled, AccelDFS enabled and the DisplayPriority xorg option set to "high" - no other options. This yields really acceptable speed and decent looks for me. Some things are still wrong though. The minimizing window effect and the "darken" effect are not really fluid, but OK. Especially annoying is that you sometimes see for a short second or so a checkerboard or a black box or just garbage when a new window, menu etc is about to appear - until the window is drawn.
Annonying yes - but I understand the developers as well: Until there is actually software that uses this stuff in a major way - driver developers (especially closed-source-drivers) won't see any incentive to put things right. And if some things look wrong, what are the KDE devs supposed to do? Some bugs in a driver might even be impossible to work around, others would require quite some time to work around (probably several workarounds for specific driver bugs would be required). I'd rather have the KDE devs work on improving KDE. Building new features and so on instead. We can only be patient until driver developers have mercy with us end-users and fix those problems. In the meantime: Either get used to it or - *drumroll* - switch those effects off. They weren't there in KDE3 anyway.
By Michael at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: Linux and graphic card drivers
I'm on openSUSE 11.0 and have GForceFX 5200 128 GB under the hood. Using the proprietary drivers kwin effects are smooooth without any artefacts or repainting problem and video also works for me without any problem (dont know if it's hw accelerated or not). But Plasma does have some repainting problems when the system is at full load (which it is on many occasions given its more than 4 year old) and it also sometimes gives a little glimpse of artefacts.
By Yogesh M at Fri, 2008/11/07 - 6:00am
Re: Linux and graphic card drivers
I've got a similar set up, similarly patched, and get similar repainting problems but only when I'm using OOo.
By Gerry at Fri, 2008/11/07 - 6:00am
Re: Linux and graphic card drivers
You have a graphics card with 128GB of memory?? I'd pretty well expect that to be pretty smooth! :-D
By Adrian Baugh at Fri, 2008/11/07 - 6:00am
Re: Linux and graphic card drivers
...its internal release, I got it straight from NVIDIA ;)
BTW I've now upgraded to 4.1.3 and it also shows tips in the panel and taskbar shows tips with window images, and taskbar autohiding/overlapped by windows is working good too... Seems KDE 4.1.3 (instead of 4.2), with plasma much similar to 4.2, on openSUSE 11.1 will not be bad either!
By Yogesh M at Sat, 2008/11/08 - 6:00am
Yes we can!
Making the greatest desktop ever conceived: Yes we can!
Re: Yes we can!
Can? Did. Yes you [KDE devs] did - already for years!
By Arnomane at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
why did you not name it BaracK?
By Obvious at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Another KHTML release :)
KHTML often seem to make the bulk of the changelog. I wonder why that is, is it because the KHTML devs backport nearly all their work to the stable branch, or because they are better at remembering to update the XML changelog when they do ?
I also wonder what amount of interesting changes are not reported in the user-friendly changelog, compared to the full svn changelog. Would be great if everything was !
Anyhow, thanks for another release :) And special thanks to the KHTML devs, I'm still running a KDE3 desktop, but I run konqueror in its KDE4 version.
By moltonel at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
KDE4.1 rocks!
Thank you KDE team for another maintenance release!
And please ignore the trolls bashing KDE4 with their comments on the last few dot stories.
They want to justify the fact that they can not get used to something new by claiming it does not have the same features than the product they got used to over years.
I still did not see a feature request on bugs.kde.org so far, so constructive criticism is that not.
We love KDE4, continue like this. 4.2 will be mind-blowing !
By Yves at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: KDE4.1 rocks!
"They want to justify the fact that they can not get used to something new by claiming it does not have the same features than the product they got used to over years."
Of course users want the features they are used to! What is so horrible about that?
Let's imagine you've been driving automobiles for twenty years, and then you buy a new KAR4 automobile. There are lots of little changes that you think are great, some that are mildly annoying. But the biggest change is that there's no longer a steering column! No stearing wheel, just a trackball thingly on the dashboard. The turn signals are buttons on the armrest, and hard as you try you just can't seem to find the controls for the windshield wipers. You hope they'll automatically turn on if there's ever rain, but you're not quite sure about that.
So you complain a bit to the KAR4 auto dealer. "Hey, is there an option for a steering wheel?" To your surprise the salesman tells you to STFU! If you want a steering wheel, then you need to go to the used car lot across the street and get a KAR3 instead. He sneers at you and makes a snide comment that you might even be happer with a rusty KAR2. Your feature request is treated as a personal insult.
By David Johnson at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: KDE4.1 rocks!
p.s. I'm not bitching, just trying to point out why some people may be less than enthusiastic.
By David Johnson at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: KDE4.1 rocks!
Unfortunately the salesman in this case is a whole team giving you the KAR4 for free, and definitively they aren't insulting you in any single way but explaining why you don't need the steering wheel.
If we don't need change, why do we need development? Please not everyone want to use terminals nowadays...
By xbullethammer at Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:00am
Re: KDE4.1 rocks!
"Please not everyone want to use terminals nowadays..."
How ironic. KDE4 is forcing me to the terminal more and more. Not a half hour ago I needed to zip up a directory. Is there any way to do that using a GUI in KDE4? No! No action menu lets me do that in Dolphin or Konqueror. You could zip up a folder with two mouseclicks in KDE3, but I guess that was too old fashioned. So I opened up Ark, navigated to where I wanted the archive, selected add folder, navigated to where the folder was, and... got an error that adding folders was not implemented.
So I dropped down to the command line and did it by hand.
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LOVES PARK — The Rockford Aviators rebounded from an early 5-3 loss against the Frontier Greys on Friday, but rallied back to win the second game 3-2 in Frontier Baseball League action.
In game one, the Greys led 4-0 after four innings. Ryan Zimmerman, who got the start for the Aviators, was credited with the loss as he allowed four runs on two hits, while walking seven.
The Aviators scored three in the bottom of the sixth inning as Brian Bistagne doubled to left-center and scored all three Aviators runners, but Ryan Breen struck out with Bistagne in scoring position and the Aviators went down in order in the seventh as they were unable to complete the rally.
In the nightcap, the Aviators found themselves down early again as the Greys scored single runs in the first and fourth innings to take a 2-0 lead.
In the bottom of the fourth, the Aviators offense got working after every batter had been retired through the first three innings. Jeff Kremer hit a sacrifice fly to left field that scored Tanner Witt from third and then after Edgar Corcino and Kenny Bryant loaded the bases after each being hit by a pitch, Bistagne walked to score the tying run.
Joey Wagman was dominant once again for the Aviators as he picked up his fifth win of the year. He pitched six innings, allowed just two runs on five hits, while walking two and striking out seven.
The Aviators took the lead in the bottom of the sixth inning after Kremer doubled to lead off the inning and was driven in by a RBI double by Bistagne, his second RBI of the night and fifth of the series, and that gave the Aviators a 3-2 lead.
Gerardo Sanchez came in to close the game out for the Aviators and gave up a lead off single and found himself with runners at the corners, but he struck out the final two batters of the game to seal the win for his twelfth save this season.


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Robert Scarlett is fluent in a few different languages and began his speech in the Little Theater at St. James High School by introducing himself in Spanish. His speech is called "Cyber Security – The New Frontier" and is about the dangers and advantages created by the interconnectedness of the world.
Robert Scarlett is fluent in a few different languages and began his speech in the Little Theater at St. James High School by introducing himself in Spanish.His speech is called "Cyber Security – The New Frontier" and is about the dangers and advantages created by the interconnectedness of the world.
Scarlett began using the internet in the 1980s, when the internet was a relatively unknown term and accessible through dial-up modems. Since that time he has gone on to help dozens of companies develop their product internationally. For Scarlett, the necessity of cyber security is an every day thing.
"Internet raises the base of competition all over the world," said Scarlett. "So you have to compete on a global scale, not just with the business down the road."
As Scarlett explained, where there was once six degrees of separation, there are now only 4.74. We are drawn together by the internet. But, that isn't always a good thing.
Placing all of our information on the web leaves us vulnerable to cyber security attacks, such as identity theft, bullying, pranks and denial of service attacks.
"A denial of service attack is when you go to a website and it's so slow you can't get any service from that site," said Scarlett. "Hackers organize a bunch of servers to send information to that site so those people who really need to or want to use that site can't load it."
This type of attack is used more regularly than we usually hear. Banks and social media sites have often been the target of denial of service attacks.
"You don't hear about these attacks because people don't want you to know they are that vulnerable to these attacks," said Scarlett.
Any information placed on the web is susceptible to a cyber attack. That is why it is important to use all of the security tools available to protect your identity. Tools available will assess your susceptibility, which will allow you to prevent the attack. They will also allow you to recognize if your computer or mobile device has been corrupted and respond to that attack.
At this time, cyber security is a real issue, and it has not been politically addressed. Scarlett explained legislation was presented in congress, but was shot down through a Republican filibuster. These are hurdles the United States will likely have to jump as we move forward, because cyber attacks are the threat of the future.
"Drones are another threat to our way of life," said Scarlett. "In the future people can spy on us with drones and see things we don't want them to see – frankly, they are capable now – they can see a license plate from space."
How we respond to cyber threats in the future is yet to be determined. New legislation and laws will need to develop as what was once science fiction becomes reality. Scarlett attempted to see the positive side of the new threat.
"Maybe this is a good thing," said Scarlett. "Maybe we will use less money and less weapons to solve problems in the future."
In the future we may see fully equipped geeks rather than fully equipped soldiers. For now, it looks like it will take a major cyber attack for people to really take cyber security seriously in the United States.


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McMullen Gives Baseball 11th SEC Tournament Title
Communications Sr. Associate
HOOVER, Ala. – Senior designated hitter Sean McMullen launched a two-out, two-run homer in the top of the eighth inning Sunday to lift eighth-ranked LSU to a 2-0 victory over No. 7 Florida in the 2014 SEC Tournament championship game at Hoover Metropolitan Stadium.
The tournament title was LSU's second in a row, its fifth in the past seven years and its 11th overall.
LSU (44-14-1) won its eighth-straight game and recorded its 17th shutout of the season, a figure that leads the nation. Florida dropped to 40-21 with Sunday's loss.
LSU learned later Sunday that it will play host to an NCAA Regional in Alex Box Stadium, Skip Bertman Field. The entire 64-team NCAA Tournament bracket will be announced at 11 a.m. CT Monday in a selection show televised by ESPNU.
"Another thrilling SEC tournament championship; I can tell you this never gets old," said LSU coach Paul Mainieri. "We just love coming to Hoover. From the hotel, the police escorts, the beautiful ballpark, it is a well-run tournament. The competition is obviously extraordinary. Our players just love it here. They play great. It brings out the best in us.
"I don't think there is anything bad that happens with winning a championship here because, as I told you yesterday, our players can go to bed and wake up in the morning with the opportunity to win a championship. We hope they have that same experience next weekend."
The game was scoreless in the top of the eighth inning when LSU freshman leftfielder lined a two-out single against Florida reliever Ryan Harris. Fraley stole second base, and with a 3-2 count on McMullen, the Tigers' DH unloaded a Harris pitch over the right-centerfield wall for his sixth homer of the season.
"I wasn't actually feeling any pressure at all," McMullen said of the at-bat. "I was just looking around, seeing what I'm a part of, all the fans that came to the game. It is such a beautiful facility. I just wanted to soak it in. This was my last game at this field, and I'm very blessed to be a part of this team. I grew up dreaming of playing for the LSU Tigers. For this to happen is surreal."
LSU senior right-hander Kurt McCune blanked the Gators over the final two innings to earn his fifth save. McCune, starter Alden Cartwright, and relievers Nate Fury and Zac Person combined to limit the Gators to just two hits.
Person (3-1), a junior left-hander, was credited with the win after he retired the side in order in the bottom of the seventh. Harris (3-2) was charged with the loss as he allowed two runs on three hits in two innings with no walks and no strikeouts.
Cartwright worked the first four innings for LSU, allowing just one hit while firing 56 pitches. Florida starter Karsten Whitson was also effective, as he gave up three hits in six innings with three walk and on strikeout.
|NCAA Single-Season Shutouts
|Arizona St.
|Texas-Pan American
|Texas-Pan American
|Wichita St.
|* season in progress
All-Tournament Team
P Jared Poche', LSU
P Aaron Nola, LSU; Karsten Whitson, Florida
C Kade Scivicque, LSU; Gavin Collins, Mississippi State
1B Tyler Moore, LSU
2B Conner Hale, LSU
3B Josh Tobias, Florida; Austin Anderson, Ole Miss
SS Alex Bregman, LSU
OF Harrison Bader, Florida
OF Mark Laird, LSU
OF C.T. Bradford, Mississippi State
DH Sean McMullen, LSU
Most Valuable Player
Tyler Moore, LSU
LSU's SEC Tournament MVP's
1986 Jeff Yurtin 3B
1992 Andy Sheets SS
1993 Harry Berrios OF
1994 Russ Johnson SS
2000 Wally Pontiff IF
2008 Blake Dean DH
2009 Mikie Mahtook OF
2010 Austin Nola SS
2013 Chris Cotton P
2014 Tyler Moore 1B
LSU's SEC Tournament Championships
1986 LSU in Baton Rouge, La.
1990* LSU/Mississippi State in Hoover, Ala.
1992 LSU in New Orleans, La.
1993 Western Division - LSU in Baton Rouge, La.
1994 Western Division - LSU in Oxford, Miss.
2000 LSU in Hoover, Ala.
2008 LSU in Hoover, Ala.
2009 LSU in Hoover, Ala.
2010 LSU in Hoover, Ala.
2013 LSU in Hoover, Ala.
2014 LSU in Hoover, Ala.
* LSU and Mississippi State were declared tournament co-champions when lightning and rain ended play in Game 11 with LSU leading 6-0 in the bottom of the fourth inning.
NCAA Regional Host Sites
(bracket, national seeds TBA on Monday, 11 a.m. on ESPN)
Cal Poly
Florida St.
Miami (Fla.)
Oklahoma St.
Ole Miss
Oregon State
South Carolina
2014 SEC Baseball Tournament Bracket
Tuesday, May 20 (single elimination)
Game 1 - #6 Vanderbilt def. #11 Tennessee, 3-2
Game 2 - #7 Arkansas def. #10 Texas A&M, 4-0
Game 3 - #9 Kentucky def. #8 Alabama, 7-1
Game 4 - #5 Mississippi State def. #12 Georgia, 5-4 (10)
Wednesday, May 21 (double elimination)
Game 5 - #3 LSU def. #6 Vanderbilt, 11-1 (7)
Game 6 - #7 Arkansas def. #2 Ole Miss, 2-1
Game 7 - #9 Kentucky def. #1 Florida, 4-2
Game 8 - #5 Mississippi State def. #4 South Carolina, 12-0 (7)
Thursday, May 22
Game 9 - #2 Ole Miss def. #6 Vanderbilt, 7-2
Game 10 - #1 Florida def. #4 South Carolina, 7-2
Game 11 - #3 LSU def. #7 Arkansas, 7-2
Game 12 - #9 Kentucky def. #5 Mississippi State, 7-6 (12)
Friday, May 23
Game 13 - #7 Arkansas def. #2 Ole Miss, 8-7
Game 14 - #1 Florida def. #5 Mississippi State, 5-1
Saturday, May 24 (single elimination)
Game 15 - #3 LSU def. #7 Arkansas, 11-1 (8)
Game 16 - #1 Florida def. #9 Kentucky, 6-5
Sunday, May 25
Game 17 - #3 LSU def. #1 Florida, 2-0


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Second Round Results
TEMPE, ARIZ. -- Senior Brinson Paolini fired a three-under 67 Friday to lead Duke to an even-par 280 in the second round of the NCAA Tempe Regional at ASU Karsten Golf Course (par 70, 7,036 yards). The Blue Devils are tied for fifth after 36 holes of play with a two-under 558. The top five teams after tomorrow's final round advance to the NCAA Championship in Alpharetta, Ga. (May 28 - June 2).
"There are a couple of tough holes and shots on the golf course that we didn't handle quite as well today, but I am really pleased that the guys have kept their heads up," said head coach Jamie Green. "I told them the National Championship is a six-round, stroke-play event that starts at regionals. Tomorrow is the third round and we are certainly in a position to go out and have a good day tomorrow."
Top-seed UCLA posted a seven-under 273 in the second round and now holds the 36-hole lead with a 19-under 541. Central Florida posted the top round of the day with an eight-under 272 to move into second place with an eight-under 552. Georgia is third at six-under 554 with Texas A&M fourth at three-under (557). Duke and host Arizona State are tied for fifth (-2, 558) followed by North Carolina (+1, 581), New Mexico State (+4, 564), Austin Peay (+4, 564), Arizona (+7, 567), Vanderbilt (+9, 569), Clemson (+14, 574), Kennesaw State (+18, 578) and Lehigh (+36, 596).
"This isn't a golf course where you want to sit back and let things happen," continued Green. "You want to attack and push the envelope to a certain degree. Not take needless chances, but continue to make good decisions, stay focused and play with a calm confidence. When we do that I like our chances and I like our chances tomorrow."
Central Florida's Greg Eason blistered the course for a seven-under 63 Friday and holds the individual lead with a 12-under 128. Teammate Ricardo Gouveia is six shots back with a six-under 134, while Paolini is among a group of five players tied for third at five-under.
Paolini, the 2013 Byron Nelson Award winner, opened the day with birdies on No. 1 and No. 2 before slipping back to even-par following a double-bogey on the par 4 fifth hole. After four straight pars, he suffered a second double-bogey on No. 10. Paolini bounced back to birdie No. 11 (par 4) and No. 12 (par 3) and continued his torrid play with an eagle on the par 5 14th hole. The Virginia Beach, Va., native added a birdie on No. 17 (par 5) and closed with a par for a three-under 67.
"It was a grind out there today and I had a couple of tough holes through No. 10," said Paolini. "I was grateful to have eight more holes to make up some ground after the double on No. 10 and I was fortunate to get on a roll to end the round. The team scores are bunched but we know if we go out tomorrow and commit ourselves to the process of executing our game plan everything will take care of itself."
Senior Adam Sumrall was one of three Blue Devils to shot a one-over 71 in the second round. The South Bend, Ind., native recorded 12 pars to go along with birdies on No. 4 and No. 14 to play the opening 14 holes at two-under. He ran into trouble with a bogey on No. 15 and a double-bogey on No. 16 to slip back to one-over. Sumrall righted the ship with pars on No. 17 and No. 18 to close out the round. He is tied for 21st overall with an even-par 140.
Mads Soegaard also carded a 71 Friday for the Blue Devils. The Ikast, Jylland, Denmark native started the day with back-to-back birdies before slipping back to even-par with a double-bogey on No. 6. He also dropped strokes with bogeys on No. 9 and No. 15 before collecting a birdie on the par 5 17th hole. Soegaard concluded the round with a par and is now tied for 25th with a one-over 141 heading into the final round.
Senior Julian Suri posted a one-over 71 for the second straight day. The St. Augustine, Fla., native is tied for 32nd with a 142 (+2) heading into Saturday's final round. Suri got off to a strong start in round two with birdies on No. 1 and No. 9 to make the turn at two-under. He suffered a double-bogey on No. 10 and a bogey on No. 11 to slip to one-over. Suri added a birdie on the par 4 13th hole to move to even-par but was unable to capitalize on either of the par 5s down the stretch before ending the day with a bogey on No. 18.
Austin Cody, a junior from North Charleston, S.C., got off to a miserable start with three bogeys (No. 1, No. 6 & No. 9) and a quad-bogey (No. 3) over the first nine holes of play. He recovered to play the back nine at two-under with three birdies (No. 11, No. 15 & No. 17), five pars and a bogey (No. 16) to finish with a five-over 75. Cody is tied for 52nd with a six-over 146 after 36 holes of play.
Duke opens final round play Saturday at 10:30 am and will be paired with Texas A&M and Arizona State. Live scoring, tee times and course statistics are available at www.golfstat.com.
*** Duke posted an even-par 280 for its fifth straight round of even-par or better golf ... the Blue Devils were plagued by five double-bogeys and a quad-bogey in the second round of play.
*** The Blue Devils posted the fifth even-par round in NCAA Regional play ... Duke has shot even-par or better 14 times in NCAA Regional play.
*** Paolini's three-under 67 was tied for the fifth-best round of the day ... he has shot under-par in seven of the last eight rounds ... Paolini has shot even-par or better in each of the last eight rounds played.
*** Paolini's 67 (-3) is tied for 10th-best Duke round in NCAA Regional play.
*** Paolini has 16 under-par rounds on the season, tied for fourth-most in the Duke season record books ... he is tied for sixth at Duke with 19 rounds of even-par or better golf in 2012-13.
*** Paolini is second in the Duke career record books in rounds in the 60s (28), under-par rounds (48), even-par or better rounds (69).
*** Paolini is tied for third in the tournament in par 5 scoring at -4 ... he is also tied for third in par 3 scoring at -1.


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LONGMONT -- Students from several St. Vrain Valley School District Schools have qualified for the Colorado Odyssey of the Mind tournament after competing in Saturday's Mt. Evans Regional Tournament.
Odyssey of the Mind is a problem-solving program for students of all ages. Teams compete against others in their division to solve a spontaneous problem and one of five different long-term problems -- mechanical/vehicle; technical performance, classics, structure or performance -- that fulfill specific themes.
To advance to the state tournament, which is on April 13 at Fort Collins High School, a team had to finish in the top three in its question and division.
Local Division I (elementary) schools with teams that qualified for the state tournament are Alpine, Black Rock, Burlington, Central, Erie, Flagstaff Academy, Imagine Charter School at Firestone, Legacy, Niwot, Red Hawk and Twin Peaks Charter Academy.
Local Division II (middle) schools with teams that qualified for the state tournament are Altona, Coal Ridge, Erie, Flagstaff, Imagine at Firestone, Trail Ridge and Twin Peaks.
In Division III, Erie High was the only St. Vrain school to qualify for the state tournament.


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Byron's Kelsey Hildreth has only been running competitively for two years, but she's already so locked in that she's not only the heavy favorite to win both distance races in Thursday's Big Northern Conference meet, but she's nearing shoo-in status.
While the bigger, experienced teams from Richmond-Burton, Marengo and Burlington Central are expected to battle it out for the BNC team title, the distance events should be Hildreth's to lose. She has the best time in the state in the 3,200-meter run and is in the top 10 in Illinois in the 1,600 run, and she's showing no signs of slowing down now.
"While some of the other girls get burnt out at this time of year, I'm ready to roll," Hildreth said shortly after blowing the competition out of the water during the Ogle County meet Tuesday in Rochelle. "I started track because I like running, and I love racing. And now, once we hit these big meets, it really gets fun."
It showed.
She smiled shortly after she crossed the line, setting the meet and stadium record in the 3,200 with a 10:52.64, and grinned soon after falling then less than a second off the meet-record pace in the 1,600 with a winning time of 5:27.13.
And while the competition will get tougher Thursday, there was no one anywhere near her when she crossed the line Tuesday as she won the two-mile race in almost 2½ minutes and the mile run by over 40 seconds.
Hildreth, who placed second at state at the end of the last cross-country season, has the state's top 3,200-meter run time at 10:37.19, and the eighth best time in the mile after her 5:03.50 last month. And those times are ranked through dyestat.com for the entire state, not just Class 1A athletes, like the ones Hildreth will go up against in postseason.
"I know it's going to get tougher in every meet from here on out, but I also know that I have the times to do it, and I know what it takes to get there," the senior said. "I'm feeling good right now, and I'm pretty excited to see just how good I am. Just where I'll fit in when it all comes down to it."
The BNC girls track meet will start at 4 p.m. Thursday in Rock Falls.
While they, too, expect to be chasing the 2A schools of the league in the team race, the Oregon Hawks hope to push for plenty of individual titles. Hurdler Cydney Long comes in as a contender to win both of her signature races, and thrower Shannon Cullen has a shot of a double-victory as well.
Winnebago's hopes of pushing for a top-three team finish lie with thrower Allison Klosinski, distance runner Cheyenne Moore and sprinter and jumper Michele Polkowski. Rockford Lutheran middle-distance runner Claire Mesa also expects to be in the hunt in her events.
Jay Taft: 815-987-1384; email@example.com; @jaytaft


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