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Wednesday, December 5, 2012
Time to change back to Charlotte Hornets now that New Orleans will become the Pelicans
The simplest solution is the best: The Bobcats need to rebrand themselves as the Charlotte Hornets.
Michael Jordan told The Observer in a group interview I was part of a month ago that he would consider changing the nickname if and when the New Orleans franchise gave up the "Hornets" nickname.
"It's definitely an interest down the road, but right now it's the New Orleans Hornets," Jordan told us. "We would definitely entertain the opportunity. That's as much as we can say right now. We've heard the community ask the question, and we would listen."
"Down the road" is apparently here, according to a Yahoo Sports report that cites numerous sources in saying that New Orleans will rebrand itself as the Pelicans, perhaps as early as the 2013-14 NBA season. The team has planned to change its nickname ever since New Orleans Saints owner Tom Benson bought the team earlier this year. The report isn't official yet, but no one has stepped forward to deny it from New Orleans.
The Bobcats were named in part for previous owner Bob Johnson, who was widely unpopular in Charlotte. Although Jordan was once Johnson's minority partner before buying the team from him, I don't think MJ likes the nickname at all. He often refers to the team as the "Cats" in conversation, dropping the "Bob" entirely. And "Bobcats" has always sounded like the name of a middle-school basketball team to me, one whose varsity was named the "Tigers" or something more ferocious.
So here's a chance to remind people of the glory days of NBA basketball in Charlotte. The name was so deeply embedded in the culture that even now people accidentally call the Bobcats the Hornets, and it's been a decade since the Charlotte Hornets existed.
So why fight it? Embrace the change. Become the "Charlotte Hornets" once more. Sure, it will cost several million to do this, but it will be money well spent and the new Charlotte Hornets will eventually make it up via jersey and memorabilia sales. This makes sense from both a financial and an emotional standpoint. Bring back the buzz – let the Charlotte Hornets live once more.
107 comments:
How do we embrace change if we were once the Hornets? Spend money on players not a name change.
- December 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM
Scott- Thank You.
I can't wait to buy my season tickets and a MKG Charlotte Hornets Jersey.
MJ- Please make this happen!
- December 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM
AMEN, Scott. Can't wait for the "Hornets" name to return to where it should never have left!
- December 5, 2012 at 9:21 AM
Great news for Charlotte! The Pelicans!? How about the logical solution: New Orleans Jazz, Utah Bobcats, and the Charlotte Hornets.
- December 5, 2012 at 9:26 AM
I have talked to several people i know and they say they will go to the games if they are named the hornets, but will NOT if they remain the bobcats. No matter what the people in the Charlotte Disturber say, the people want the name changed. end of story
- December 5, 2012 at 9:28 AM
Do it!301 y
- December 5, 2012 at 9:29 AM
Have you ever seen a movie sequel that just ruined the original?? That's what is going to happen by trying to bring back the Hornets name. The TWC arena will never be like the Tyvola Center. People have moved, grown older, and the team is different. People who think we will sell out games every night just because the name changes are going to realize what waste of effort and money this bring back the buzz fiasco was.
- December 5, 2012 at 9:29 AM
Can we get the Bobby Phills jersey for the rafters too?
- December 5, 2012 at 9:35 AM
Can we get Muggsy to run the point & Dell coming off the bench too? ;)
Restore the Buzz!
- December 5, 2012 at 9:38 AM
Posted this screenshot on another site. To Scott's point, ESPN writer referred to the Hornets losing Grizzlies when the Bobcats played them several weeks ago.
- December 5, 2012 at 9:41 AM
you're going to buy season tickets because of a name change not because of the team or players? Us fans that have actually gone to games and watch games just want a team in Charlotte to pull for and do well. We don't care about the name we care about the product. If all you care is about the name then you're not a true fan.
- December 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM
bobcats have gotten me watching games again. but i will never buy tickets or merchandise without our rigthful name the Charlotte Hornets.
- December 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM
I guess all of us REAL basketball fans who have not been hung up on a team who left 20 years ago and bought into the BOBCATS should just start over? I invested hard earned money on gear, now it is going to become useless? This is not fair for us fans who have been here all along.
- December 5, 2012 at 9:46 AM
This is the worst thing that could happen to Michael if he doesn't want to do the name change. Previously, he could string people in town along, first saying that he could not comment because there was another team already named the Hornets, next saying that he would consider it if became available.
Now he is going to have to actually do it or risk alienating a large portion of the people in this town, some of whom would previously give him the benefit of the doubt.
It's time for the change to be made. The challenge will be to capitalize on the goodwill.
Finally, if the Pelicans can rebrand for 2013 it doesn't make sense that the Bobcats could not rebrand in that same time frame.
Dare we hope for Charlotte Hornets, the Hive, Honeybees, Hugo the Hornet (and Super Hugo--Bug on a Windshield?) in 2013??????
- December 5, 2012 at 9:46 AM
What's in a name?
And someone not going to watch the home team play because they don't like their name? How stupid can you be?
- December 5, 2012 at 9:49 AM
New name, same players on the floor. Amazing how some "fans" will support a name and not the team. Huh, Charlotte "fans".
- December 5, 2012 at 9:50 AM
- WashuOtaku said...
LOL, Carolina Panthers isn't much better, my Middle School mascot was the Panthers. Anyway, I agree we should go back to Hornets and the teal.
- December 5, 2012 at 9:56 AM
I think a lot of people here who gripe about the name change vs. "paying players" (although there is no correlation) don't understand the historical significance of the name to Charlotte. Perhaps a follow-up article explaining the longstanding tradition of the Hornets sports teams would help them get this a little better.
- December 5, 2012 at 9:57 AM
People like Anon 9:44 crack me up. If you don't care, great, keep your input to yourself. If you don't care then it doesn't matter if the name changes. For the rest of us that grew up Hornets fans, etc, let the name change happen and bring back the history and fond memories.
- December 5, 2012 at 9:59 AM
Bring Back the Buzz!
- December 5, 2012 at 10:05 AM
The Hornets benefitted from being the only major league team in the city at the time. During the late '90s their attendance was below average as the Panthers became the main event. Charlotte is now a solid two sport town with or without a name change. The missing ingredient is consistent winning.
- December 5, 2012 at 10:05 AM
I don't care about the name changing back just the "fans" that say they will start going to games or cheering for Charlotte b/c the name changes back to the Hornets. I'm sure the current players really felly appreciated for the ones that will come back only bc of the name change. Just stay at home we don't want your support.
- December 5, 2012 at 10:11 AM
Hornets aren't just a name. They're our name.
Hornets have been a symbol of our civic pride since 1780, when Cornwallis found here a "hornet's nest of rebellion." Every police officer has a hornet's nest on his or her badge. Our county seal has a hornet nest. I think the connection to our history is an important aspect of the team name that can be overlooked by newcomers to our area. It's the perfect name for our team. Please make it happen.
- December 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM
- par said...
Now I can take my old jerseys out of the closet.
- December 5, 2012 at 10:17 AM
What is so wrong with the name Bobcats? It seems more people are fired up a name change than they are about putting a winner on the court. The Hornets were here, ignited the city, then George Shinn broke the hearts of the fans and packed up and left like a spoiled brat. I see more people upset with Bob Johnson than George Shinn. At least the guy brought basketball back to town. I have my own theories on why he was so disliked but some folks need to get over it. He had the money and the league chose him over Larry Bird. MJ needs to worry about building a winner, not a name change!
- December 5, 2012 at 10:18 AM
Your Jr. High School girlfriend moved on a long time ago. Time for the Hornet's fans to do the same. Charlotte has a team, the BOBCATS.
- December 5, 2012 at 10:21 AM
- December 5, 2012 at 10:22 AM
Can I place a vote for the Charlotte Flight??
- December 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM
The whole name change thing makes Charlotte look like Mayberry. You think fans of the Lakers, Jazz or Grizzlies care that their team names have no historical or geographic ties to their cities?
- December 5, 2012 at 10:28 AM
All you Anonymous posters that are hating on the Hornets name can move back to whatever Great Lake you're from!!!
- December 5, 2012 at 10:30 AM
The decision to change name back to Charlotte Hornets would be a very popular choice here in Charlotte. However, Pelicans is a bad kickname for New Orleans. I know its the state bird of Louisiana but it has no spark or ring "New Orleans Pelicans". Why don't they change their kickname to the New Orleans "Brass"?
- December 5, 2012 at 10:39 AM
Just bought 2 Panther jerseys since my first Frank Reich jersey. Being from Virginia, I'm a big fan of all things Charlotte, and as such a fan of the Bobcats, Cats, or whatever. I was a crazy fan of the Hornets and would love to see the name change. I'm holding out for my custom Charlotte Hornets jersey now. Make it so!
- December 5, 2012 at 10:39 AM
Newcomers, go read Anon 10:16. He sums it up very well.
- December 5, 2012 at 10:42 AM
Man, the unveiling would be awesome. Celebrity game with old and new Hornets players. Shoot, suit MJ up in an old school uni and have him play alongside Bogues, Curry, Johnson, Mourning. You just paid for the name change in one day.
- December 5, 2012 at 10:43 AM
Shakespeare said it best, "What's in a name? Would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet?" Same goes for our Charlotte NBA Team. What matters is the product on the court not what we call them!! I say if MJ is going to fork out money to attract fans then do something for us diehards that have been here for so long. How about make the Wednesday night concession specials all week?!
- December 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM
I hate this move. This is not the same team as the original Charlotte Hornets and changing the name doesn't make it so. It's kind of disgraceful to the Hornets name to slap it on this Charlotte team.
Of course, I'm just a bitter fan fighting the realization that his team will be named the Pelicans. Talk about a name that sounds minor league.
- December 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM
Really? You wishy-washy "fans"? You're going to come running back as soon as they change the name? That's why you've been nowhere to be found in the arena except for that playoff run a few years ago? I'm from here and I'm so over people in this town. How about you go root for the Baltimore Colts or Tennessee Oilers? We're the Charlotte Bobcats, get on board or don't. Either way, the real fans will be here supporting our current team.
- December 5, 2012 at 10:55 AM
If the Hornets come back, can we do away with the teal and purple? Sure, it is the original colors, but they are not that great.
Secondly, why not change the name altogether, to something like the Charlotte Flight or Charlotte Speed.
Lastly, a name change does not equal wins. It may equal $$, but I would prefer a winning team. A winning product will equal $$.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:06 AM
As a current $$$ supporter of the "Bobcats", my preference would be to keep the name. Bringing back the Hornets name might sell some more merchandise initially, but will it really put more people in the seats!?!?! When I embrace a team...I go all in. When I hear people will "only support the team if they go back to the Hornets"... as someone looking at this from a management/ownership perspective, that wouldn't give me a lot of confidence that they will A)follow through on their promises and B) stick around after the initial "buzz" has died down.
The focus should be making our NBA team as competitive as possible.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:06 AM
The great 'Hornet' name/logo has been soiled by N.O. Move forward, not backwards - but get rid of Bobcat. I vote for CAROLINA FLIGHT
- December 5, 2012 at 11:08 AM
The one person that keeps posting under anonymous is hilarious.
All people that claim the name doesn't matter and a true fan (like themselves) will support the team no matter what the name is....
Great- all of us Charlotte Hornets fans are happy to hear that you will still support the team when the name is changed.
To be honest, if you already are a fan of the team and will continue to be a fan and buy tickets no matter what the name is- your opinion means nothing.
Your opinion is meaningless because you will support the team anyway, what Michael Jordan needs is incremental revenue. The Charlotte Hornets brand creates incremental revenue (revenue about what can be achieved as Bobcats)
If your a true fan and you want the team here long term, you need to support what ever will make the franchise more money. This team cant continue to lose 20-30 million dollars a year and stay in business in Charlotte.
It's economics and the Hornets brand makes more economic sense.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:10 AM
I never liked the Bobcats name anyway. It was named after a guy who doesnt even own the team anymore. Bring back the BUZZ!
- December 5, 2012 at 11:11 AM
To the sports purists who argue about wins, players and coaches and changing the name does not matter.... True.
But that argument ignores basic marketing.
The "real" sports fans are not filling up the arena now (yes, winning would help). But if restoring the Hornets name would sell a few more seats (in the short-term anyway) and generate income with t-shirt and hat sales, and help erase the bitter feelings, then why not?
- December 5, 2012 at 11:18 AM
"So why fight it? Embrace the change."
EXACTLY why we should stick with the Bobcats. This is great advice to everyone who's been harping to re-name us the Hornets. The people who want this, don't come to the games and use this silly reason not to support the franchise. Fughettaboutum.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:25 AM
This comment is to the ones that are the "fans" and are claiming that the ones that support this name change are not true "fans".
There are a lot of people in this city that felt wronged by the Hornets leaving the city. The NBA should have never let this happen, never. Sure the NBA brought a new team to our city, but because of ownership not trying to be a part of the city and blaming the city for the teams problems, many of us have NEVER felt like the Bobcats were ours.
Now the team is owned by someone else, and there is a chance to get our name back. To many people this feels like justice has been served.
If you're a "true fan", then what do you really care about the name change? What this will actually do is bring in more revenue to a team that needs it.
MJ, do the right thing and make the change.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:25 AM
I agree! No need to change name to Hornets. One move I would be interested in, see if we can negotiate getting our Hornets history aligned with the Bobcats organization.
If this were the case we could:
1. Retire Bogues, Curry, Gattison, L. Johnson, Tripuka Mashburn's, maybe Baron David and Glen Rice's hornets jersey's.
2. Get B Phills jersey back in the rafters.
3. Hang the attendance banners from the late 80's and early 90's.
4. Have the team wear Hornets Hardwood Classic Throwbacks on Special nights during the season.
If this were possible it would give us an opportunity to embrace our past and maintain the Bobcats identity which is a better representation of our current Front Office and players.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:27 AM
So all you real fans say we should not care about a name change. Arn't you crying over a possible name change. If the name doesn't matter to you then if it changes to the Hornets you shouldn't care. The hornets have a long history hear starting with the Charlotte Hornets baseball team of the 1900's.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:30 AM
- pat and ed said...
Thomas Wolfe was so right when he said, 'you can't go home again'.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:31 AM
1st..The Hornets are history let them lie in the past. How well does dating your ex work out...it doesn't people.
2nd...For all of us Cat supporters now we have to go buy Hornets gear with teal and purple??? Come on now we have a good name and color combo now.
3rd...The Hornets name allows you to support this team??? Them winning should mean more than anything
- December 5, 2012 at 11:32 AM
- Unknown said...
MJ, if you purchase the name, make sure you get the Charlotte Hornets history as well. Time to celebrate the fact that we actually had a basketball history in Charlotte. Muggsy, Dell, LJ, Phils, Alonzo, don't mean a thing to New Orleans. Didn't play in that city or for that owner.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:34 AM
This would be like slapping a Porsche logo on a Chevy Malibu. You can capture the look if you squint your eyes, but the performance isn't there...
- December 5, 2012 at 11:40 AM
Charlotte Hornets should match the team colors of the Panthers. Would help build a city identity... How many times have you seen black/gold and thought of Pittsburgh. I do! And I hate Pittsburgh. But it's a good marketing scheme.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:40 AM
I don't care what the team is called, I support my (adopted) hometown team and will continue. But I can't stand the Southern-Bless-Your-Heart-Pitchfork-Lynchmob-Well-I-Never mentality of old-school Southerners... especially the trolls who comment on this topic incessantly.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:42 AM
NBA basitball....nobody cares!
- December 5, 2012 at 11:45 AM
- Michael Bacon said...
Reasons to change:
- Bobcats is a stupid name that reflected the egomania of the original owner.
- The Bobcats logo is dumb looking.
- "Bobcats" has no tie to the city or the Carolinas, other than that, like about 40 other states, we have bobcats here.
Note that none of those have to do with the Hornets.
Again, I would support changing the name from the Bobcats to the Charlotte Queens, which is a terrible name but still better than the Bobcats. The fact that there's a still-loved nickname complete with art, colors, designs, and history right there waiting makes this a no-brainer.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:51 AM
- MrFriedChicken said...
Look at you people. Most of you that don't want the change or care about the change are obviously transplants from other parts of the country. The reason this team stopped selling out games was because of the arena issue and Shinn's seual assault case.
That logo and name belong to CHARLOTTE.
- December 5, 2012 at 11:52 AM
- Garson The Great said...
I cannot believe there is anyone that sees a negative to bringing the Hornets name back to CLT. These are the same people still complaning about the "shiny new arena" and why no one can service their 8-track player anymore. Seriously? The Bobcat NBA franchise; its player management, the product on the floor, ownership, fan loyalty, marketing, everything has been a fiasco since it's been here. Finally there is some definable young talent, cap flexibility in sight, draft assets and a good GM and hungry coach. No, let's take this time to NOT keep progress going. Face it, restoring the name "Charlotte Hornets" is what is needed, to forever banish the horrid stench of Bob Johnson from our minds. We thought no one could be worse than Shinn, we were throroughly proven wrong. Let us fans have something, SOMETHING to be proud of while this team prepares itself to be embraced by this city again. I supported this team since tipoff, and yet i flew down to NO for the inaugural game. I love both teams, but the Hornets are always CLT first and always. To me, getting the name back is the best draft pick this team could ever pull off. This needs to be completed yesterday
- December 5, 2012 at 11:55 AM
There would be one thing gone and missing forever...THE HIVE...
- December 5, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Yeah Yeah- there are going to be all these people saying "who cares, it won't make us a better team.." blah blah. That's not the point. No NAME will make a team better. This is simply about civic pride- the fact that Hornets is culturally relevant to Charlotte and that the Hornets basketball name is relevant to this city- every bit as much as the Browns, Supersonics, Steelers, Cowboys, and Lakers are to their cities. The team will improve when it does (hopefully sooner and not later). But changing the name to Hornets is relevant and worth something for this city. DO IT!!!
- December 5, 2012 at 11:55 AM
I work in a men's urban clothing store in GEORGIA and even today, the Hornets are still known and remembered as the CHARLOTTE Hornets. We even still carry new merchandise bearing the Charlotte Hornets name and logo. I would love my old Hometown team to go back to the Hornets, but a name change alone will not fix the stats.
- December 5, 2012 at 12:11 PM
Bring back the honeycomb lane!
- December 5, 2012 at 12:14 PM
One of the major reasons people have a bitter taste in the mouth about the Bobcats is that the Bobcats name may or may not have been taken from former owner, Bob Johnson.
He was/is pretty arrogant and many people refuse to support him or any apparent vestige from his days as owner.
Chang the name back and you will get the older fans of the Hornets...you know, the one's that contributed to the record attendance levels of the 80s and 90s (many of which are now 50 and 60 with no kids and cash to burn).
- December 5, 2012 at 12:17 PM
The entire Hornets brand and game experience was a stroke of conceptual genius.
As long as Jordan has the good sense the bring back everything as it was without monkeying with anything - i.e dont mess with the logo, uniforms, colors, mascot, court design, hive sound effects, etc - people will come back in droves.
Is is shallow that many people care more about branding than on the court product? Perhaps.. But reality is that an NBA arena is filled predominately with fair weather fans on a typical game night who are there for a fun evening out and the atmosphere more than the basketball product.
The Hornets and Charlotte are one in the same and the reunion between the name and city will have been long overdue.
"Its Friday night and we are Liiive at the Hiiive. Get on your feet and welcome back youurrr Charlotte Hornets!"
- December 5, 2012 at 12:29 PM
There should be an amnesty program for Bobcats gear. Maybe a half off discount if you turn in your gear. Something for the gans worried about inveted money in th cats brand.
Also there has been too little said about how stupid Charlotte looks for having a team named after an owner. Particularly one who called the city racist.
- December 5, 2012 at 12:30 PM
I will always be a Charlotte Hornets fan no matter what happens! But would be overjoyed to see this happen!
- December 5, 2012 at 12:44 PM
As a local Charlottean and 29 year resident of the city, I grew up with the Hornets and I will buy season tickets to see my team again. Those who didn't grow up here don't understand what the Hornets did for this city. People came out in droves for several years to support "our team." I remember what a treat it was to go to the games, see the buzz meter rise, see Hugo and Super Hugo entertain the crowds - the hive was alive! I get nostalgic just thinking about the teal and purple pinstripes. I support the Bobcats, but love the Hornets. You have to realize, back in the day, the Hornets were all we had. We watched as they rose up the standings. We were upset when they left town. The Bobcats were a band aid to us 20-30 somethings. Let's bring back the buzz. Let's embrase the history of this town. Let's make this happen!
- December 5, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Hornets goes back to the Revolutionary War. It IS why Charlotte is Charlotte.
- December 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM
Charlotte Hornets!!!
- December 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM
All the haters are probably yankee transplants who don't have a clue about Charlotte history. #BRINGBACKTHEBUZZ
- December 5, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Scott says: "I don't think MJ likes the nickname at all. He often refers to the team as the "Cats" in conversation, dropping the "Bob" entirely."
Just because someone shortens a name does not mean that they dislike the entire name. Unless you have heard the man say that he dislikes the name "Bobcats",keep what you think he "likes" to yourself. Ex: Celts, 9ers, Knicks, Blazers. I guess these owners "dislike" their entire names too. What a joke!
- December 5, 2012 at 1:13 PM
I can't wait to break out my old LJ jersey! Got a Phills one too!
- December 5, 2012 at 1:15 PM
The bottom line is that Bob Johnson had the opportunity to give the team an appropriate name that the city could identify with and didn't. I think the Charlotte Speed and the Charlotte Flight are great names as well but that would take additional time and money to implement and come up with a logo and colors. The hornet colors, logo, and brand are already established. New Orleans should have changed the name once they moved in the first place. Can't wait to see the teal and purple uniforms with the pin stripes. GO HORNETS!!!
- December 5, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Bring Back the Buzz!!!
- December 5, 2012 at 1:24 PM
- Buckshot Jenkins said...
I found an old Charlotte Hornets t-shirt over the summer and have been wearing it religiously in hopes of a future name change. Finally cause for excitement!
- December 5, 2012 at 1:31 PM
I love all of the comments saying that the true fans go to all of the games and do not want the name to change, and you're not a true fan if you support the name change. Well as a fan who had season tickets to the Hornets and who has been to over 150 Bobcats games I consider my self a huge fan of our local team. However, as much as I love the Bobcats changing the name back to the Hornets would mean so much for this town. The name has so much history and passion behind it. The Bobcats name has no local relevance as it was just named for a man who had no business running a major league franchise. The Bobcats would have a sharp increase in revenue from initial ticket and merchandise sales if they decide to change the name, and while it may not help the product on the floor at first I believe any fan increase would make this town a lot more intriguing for potential free agents.
Please MJ bring Hugo Home.
- December 5, 2012 at 1:35 PM
- trish said...
Please bring Hugo back to the QC! We have been waiting a long time!
- December 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM
I support Charlotte basketball, which means I support the Bobcats (tickets, merchandise, etc.). But my level of support will increase exponentially when the Hornets and the teal and purple are returned to their rightful home.
MJ - this is a breakaway slam dunk. You know what to do. Bring back the buzz!
- December 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM
- trish said...
Bring HUGO back!!!
- December 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM
I was a supporter of the Hornets, and I have continued to be a supporter of the Bobcats, however, if you have the chance to bring back the Hornets name then please do it. It will help Charlotte remember the "BUZZ" at the Hive.
- December 5, 2012 at 2:03 PM
a lot has changed since the days of Hornets bball.
back then, it was a family sport that kids and parents of all kinds loved to go to....then for some unknown reason, the nba took a weird dark turn. not as family friendly, very thugster music etc.
i fear that even though regaining our name would be great, the nba in general has lost its way and alienated a large cross section of its fans.
- December 5, 2012 at 2:03 PM
To me, the name "Bobcats" serves to reminds me of two things: 1) that George Shinn stole my original team, and 2) that Bob Johnson once owned this one.
As a teenager, I remember the days when they would start player intros to that rising buzz sound. You remember it.. It was awesome. And what a great name for your arena .. "The Hive".
I know its just a name, and its largely nostalgia that I want the Hornets name back. But whole cities (like Branson) have been built on pure nostalgia. It's pretty powerful.
PLEASE get the Hornets name back, Mike!
- December 5, 2012 at 2:06 PM
I'm 26 and miss the name incredibly. I still like the cats just miss the old name. This would be a great time to hit the reset on the program and instill a new name with our tough play and hard work from Dunlap and Cho.
- December 5, 2012 at 2:20 PM
How about all you chumps that think the name is so important band together and sell out one of the weaker games on the schedule. That might prove somehting to MJ. Of course yoiu have no shot. I was at the last game they tried to do it. It was about 100 people. Maybe.
- December 5, 2012 at 2:33 PM
What's more important, the city name or the nickname?
- December 5, 2012 at 2:43 PM
Bring back Hugo!
- December 5, 2012 at 3:09 PM
How about Charlotte Buzzcats! Bzzzzzzmeow! I'll bring my Paula Abdul tape, maybe the cheerleaders can do a routine to it! Radical!!! Snifffffff, my life is so lame now that the only good memories I have are from 20 years ago.
Nah I'm messing with you all. I don't care either way, just glad we've got a team to watch and route for. They're good kids this year and the deserve our support no matter what logo they're wearing.
- December 5, 2012 at 3:12 PM
Yes! This news is exciting. Transplanters might not understand but the Hornets belong in Charlotte.
- December 5, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Everybody that don't want the name changed from the Bobcats has no good reasons for it. "They need to worry about winning and spending money on players, not a name change." The Bobcats ARE focused on winning and they are right now. As you can see this season has been a huge turnaround since last year. Also which players should we spend our money on? Yall wanted players like CP3 and DHoward to come to Charlotte. Is that who we should spend our money on instead of a name change(which is pocket change to MJ)?? Big name players don't wanna play for the BOBcats, it's not an attractive market. When the Hornets come back to town, yall will see more excitement about NBA in Charlotte since we last had the Hornets. That kind of excitement leads the way for better attendance, merchandise sales, and eventually, with the path we are on, a great team with an exciting market to potential superstars. Well, said Scott. Thanks for helping BRING BACK THE BUZZ
- December 5, 2012 at 3:15 PM
If you did not support the Bobcats, why would you support the Hornets??? All because of a name change? That is so, so stupid.
- December 5, 2012 at 3:19 PM
- par said...
To the bloggers who question, why the change. Sure there in not much in a name for a successful team. The Bobcats are anonymous to Bob Johnson. The name Hornets have a long history in Charlotte. Also, better for the hype and marketing.
- December 5, 2012 at 3:35 PM
What's in a name? Friends I will tell you. Some of my first memories are going west on Tyvola toward "the hive" with my Dad and brother as a young man. When the hornets were sold it ripped my heart out as it did to many others. When the bobcats came it seemed like an effort to replace something that could not be. I do pull for the bobcats but it is not the same. There is no history. No Mugsy, no Dell Curry, no Grandmama, no Zo. Also the historical significance of the name Hornets in the area goes without saying. Bobcats was a semi clever name chosen by a rich guy nobody here cared for. I'd rather watch the Hornets lose than watch the bobcats win. I think many share my opinion.
- December 5, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Yes it would be great to have the Charlotte Hornets back.
- December 5, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Bringing back the Hornets name will excite the fan base both at games and in the community. By exciting the fan base he entire Charlotte NBA franchise will be excited, including the players who feed off the fans. Bringing back the Hornet name is a win win situation. People that oppose the Hornet name are people that have no clue what the Hornets name means in local history.
- December 5, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Really people...really....if you are saying you will come to the games now because of a name change, you are as ignorant as you sound. That sounds like something my 7 year old would say. Grow Up people...be mad at David Stern, George Shinn but not this team or organization. Kemba Walker did not cause the Hornets to leave so why penalize him for it.
- December 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Check out this old video, sure doesnt sound like a bobcats game today. Lets go Hornets
- December 5, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Hornets please. That is all...
- December 5, 2012 at 4:28 PM
Bring the name back, but they will still suck!
- December 5, 2012 at 4:53 PM
Hornets merchandise sells vs Bobcats merchandise sells. Theres your answer. Bobcats gear is embarrassing.
- December 5, 2012 at 5:25 PM
If you look at the comments it seems no matter what the comment is EVERYONE is a fan. Whether it's a fan of today or of yesterday we all agree we love basketball in Charlotte. I was at the ticker tape parade when Charlotte first got the NBA team in town. It was amazing how proud the entire city was of that team and showed it by supporting them even though they were playing all the way over on Tyvola. I cried when we lost that team and I cried when they tore that arena down too btw. Bring back the name, bring back the teal, bring out the original players for another pep rally...just don't bring back Shinn and the decision makers that made us lose our identity in the first place. Bobcats name has always been a thorn b/c of B.Johnson. I was at that name unveiling street rally as well and I voted for Flight. Call them Hornets and the true Beelievers will be happy. Call them Bobcats and the new to town Charlotteans will be happy. Better yet call them HornCats and everybody wins. ~Supporter of Charlotte history.
- December 5, 2012 at 6:20 PM
I'm buying in to this "Bring back the buzz" movement. Let's rename the team the "Hornets." Lets rebuild the "hive;" at the expense of those who want to rebrand. Let's let all the "Bring back the buzz" folks also be responsible for buying the millions of dollars of gear that BOBCAT fans have bought. Heck, while we're at it, I REALLY like the old Yankee Stadium- can y'all bring that back too?
- December 5, 2012 at 6:23 PM
this is a no brainer. players will always come and go but this community was vested in the Hornets until Shinn and Woolridge alienated the charlotte fans. the name is rooted in the history of this area and is one people identify with. if anyone understands the value of brand name, it should be MJ. this would create a marketing bonanza. for those who talk about spending on players, you have to have revenue to spend including merchandise, tickets and the like. the bobcats brand will never have the value the hornets brand has. MJ should go to the league office and remind them who help put the nba on the map and they should convey the branding back to charlotte free of charge as the league will benefit if the team's financial situation improves
- December 5, 2012 at 6:32 PM
I am a huge fan of the Bobcats but, if given the chance MJ would be crazy to pass up on this opportunity.
The team could create a tremendous amount of goodwill in the community.
- December 5, 2012 at 6:58 PM
This town has changed a lot since the Hornets left.
- December 5, 2012 at 7:50 PM
Bring back the name Hornets, but lose the ugly teal and purple colors.
- December 5, 2012 at 8:29 PM
I grew up watching you constantly beat my Hornets. Please, be a hero now and take back the name. After all, Cornwallis didn't speak of New Orleans as a "hornets nest", but of Charlotte. It is time to bring the name home.
- December 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM
It's not stupid for fans to want the name change. What the hell does bobcats mean to charlotte or North Carolina. This team isn't playing good so those fans that don't watch the bobcats and don't support them will because of the name change. Not forever but it will buy the team some more time to start playing better and to become a big time team with big time fans. The charlotte hornets fans were the best in basketball not because of the name but because what the team the name and everything meant to the city and the people. I do understand some people will be upset about there bobcats gear but mj could give some free merchandise to the season ticket holders. The name change is a business move to get things started. The fans multiply and get louder, you get a better home court advantage, it gives the players reasons to play better, the team make will make more money off tickets and merchandise ( the hornets sold the most tickets and the most jerseys hats etc. even this year the hornets sell more than the lakers heat or knicks. It's a part of the nba and the hornets in NOLA are not the same. I am all for #bring back the buzz even though I am a bobcats fan and have jerseys shirts and hats. And the people that are complaining would forget about it in 1 year just like it always happens.
- December 16, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Most people don't understand about the hornets that's cause most of them are not from Charlotte, have no pride in Charlotte and the history. Hornets is a revolutionary name for Charlotte. Those of us born and raised in this city have a pride in the name! It's embedded in our culture and things we see every day. Bringing the hornets back will not change the team but it will change the fans... It will bring them back and make more money for the team as to get more good players. The hornets pride is here as anyone can see just by walking at a mall and seeing what people are wearing
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With the influenza season yet to hit its peak and already begun early, Ridgecrest Regional Hospital's Infection Control Director is advising people to get their shots.
"We have seen some positive cases coming in and some people have been admitted to the hospital with the flu," said Sue Lemon, the infection control director.
She said that some cases were seen as early as November, a month before flu season typically starts.
"The flu usually peaks in February, but we haven't seen a peak yet," she said.
Lemon said the best suggestion for anyone who hasn't caught the flu is to get vaccinated either at one of the local pharmacies such as Walgreens or through a local physician.
Results released by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention say while this year's flu vaccine were only 62 percent effective, it was still a good match for combating the strains hitting the nation. The CDC reported it matched well with 90 percent of the strains.
"The effectiveness can vary from person to person," Lemon said.
But even if one has contracted the flu after receiving a flu shot Lemon said, "You have a head start with the antibodies in your system. You still reap those benefits."
Lemon also said basic hygienic methods like covering coughs or sneezes, washing hands or utilizing the hand sanitizers that have become prevalent are additional ways to ward off catching the flu.
"If you can't catch the flu, you can't spread the flu," she said.
As for people that might contract the influenza, the best solution was to stay home and recover by resting and staying hydrated.
"People who get the influenza 24 hours before showing the symptoms can still spread it," she said.
She said those who were likely at a higher risk, like the elderly or those with diabetes, should contact a physician if they feel the symptoms.
In its last FluView report, the CDC reported 47 states that reported influenza-like symptoms. Many states have issued notices of emergency and a reported spike in cases over previous years.
Lemon said that she hadn't seen a noticeable increase in cases, but wouldn't know any definitive numbers until the end of the season.
Overall, she said the CDC has reported California's outbreaks vary regionally, with some counties and cities faring better than others.
In a news release sent out by the California Department of Public Health, its director Dr. Ron Chapman said that overall it was not an unexpected increase. Chapman strongly recommended people to get vaccinated.
"Our flu season may not peak for several more weeks, so I encourage everyone to get vaccinated to protect not only themselves, but those with whom they come into contact," Chapman stated.
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Homer D. Cooper IV, 20, of Dover, was charged with possession of a prescription drug without a prescription, possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia and two traffic offenses.
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Five college vice presidents from the Jiangsu Province of China visited Otero Junior College on March 5 as a part of a 17-week fellowship developed by the United Education Alliance in partnership with the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs.
Five college vice presidents from the Jiangsu Province of China visited Otero Junior College on March 5 as a part of a 17-week fellowship developed by the United Education Alliance in partnership with the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs.
The fellowship is intended to assist the vice presidents, who are each slated to become college presidents in China, in learning about American higher education and the programs and operations of host campuses, neighboring universities and community colleges. Upon their return to China, the Fellows will develop new initiatives, programs, or policies for implementation at their home universities based on their experiences.
Participating in the visit were Jin-hong Liu of Nantong Vocational College; Lixin Qu of Wuxi City College of Vocational Technology; Guozhen Zhuang of Changzhou Institute of Mechantronic Technology; Sulin Shen of Wuxi Institute of Commerce; Qintang Zhang of Jiangyin Polytechnic College; and Robert Wonnett and Kathy Griffith, program coordinators from the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs.
Two-year colleges do not exist in China, which instead has three-year programs. The visits to community colleges during the fellowship were planned to showcase how these institutions fit into the American system of higher education.
While at OJC, the Fellows met with campus administrators and program leaders to exchange information on their respective university systems. A tour of campus highlighted the programs and facilities at OJC, including the Learning Commons and the nursing simulation lab. The Fellows explored the Koshare Indian Kiva and Museum before attending a luncheon with students from the President's Leadership Program, which concluded the visit. The students provided their perspective on college experiences with the Fellows.
Jim Rizzuto, president of Otero Junior College, explained that OJC was privileged to be included in the Fellows' site visitations. "This was a great opportunity for our visitors from China and UCCS and OJC administration to share ideas on best practices in higher education," said Rizzuto. "It also provided an opportunity to discuss partnerships in the future for possible exchange programs for students from China and OJC."
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San Francisco 49ers
Michael Crabtree: 6-5-BYE-6-5-5 (27), Vernon Davis: 0-2-BYE-5-8-1 (16), Mario Manningham: dnp-4-BYE-3-2-5 (14), Frank Gore: 6-1-BYE-4-0-3 (14), Delanie Walker: 1-3-BYE-1-3-3 (11), Kyle Williams: 4-1-BYE-3-2-1 (11), Randy Moss: 4-1-BYE-2-2-1 (10), Kendall Hunter: 2-1-BYE-1-1-1 (6), Ted Ginn: 0-1-BYE-0-0-0 (1)
Mario Manningham has actually been the 49ers leading receiver in yardage since Colin Kaepernick got the start. But that's just an average of 57 yards receiving over the last two games. Kaepernick opens up the big play more with his ability, but also takes the ball out of receivers' hands when he runs.
It looked like Vernon Davis may have been a favorite target of his after giving him a nice stat line against the Bears, but after one target and a bad drop, Davis didn't see another target all game. The 49ers passing game will remain hard to forecast.
The loss of Kendall Hunter is a tough one. He was easily one of the top backup running backs in the game. Frank Gore will remain the main man while Brandon Jacobs, LaMichael James and Anthony Dixon will vie for Gore's scraps.
Seattle Seahawks
Sidney Rice: 4-8-4-7-BYE-3 (26), Golden Tate: 3-7-6-2-BYE-5 (23), Zach Miller: 2-5-3-6-BYE-3 (19), Doug Baldwin: 2-dnp-3-4-BYE-4 (13), Marshawn Lynch: 2-3-2-1-BYE-3 (11), Robert Turbin: 1-3-1-0-BYE-3 (8), Michael Robinson: 1-1-3-0-BYE-1 (6), Anthony McCoy: 1-2-0-0-BYE-3 (6), Ben Obomanu: 4-0-dnp-dnp-BYE-dnp (4), Charly Martin: dnp-3-0-dnp-BYE-dnp (3), Jermaine Kearse: dnp-dnp-2-0-BYE-1 (3), Evan Moore: 1-1-0-0-BYE-1 (3), Leon Washington: 0-2-0-0-BYE-0 (2), Braylon Edwards: 2-dnp-dnp-0-BYE-0 (2)
Russell Wilson had his best road game of the season by completing 21-of-27 passes for 224 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions along with five rushing attempts for 38 yards. But unfortunately that didn't result in any other Seattle player doing much of anything. He did a good job of spreading the ball around, too good a job and Marshawn Lynch was stifled by Miami's tough run defense. And unfortunately the remaining schedule is @Chicago, Arizona, @Buffalo and San Francisco. The Buffalo game is really the only one we could hope for a decent fantasy game from Wilson and it's in Buffalo.
St. Louis Rams
Brandon Gibson: 7-3-BYE-6-5-3 (24), Danny Amendola: dnp-dnp-BYE-12-11-1 (24), Chris Givens: 5-4-BYE-dnp-7-6 (22), Austin Pettis: 3-5-BYE-4-6-2 (20), Lance Kendricks: 4-4-BYE-6-2-2 (18), Brian Quick: 4-4-BYE-1-2-1 (12), Daryl Richardson: 3-4-BYE-2-3-0 (12), Steven Jackson: 0-2-BYE-3-4-1 (10), Steve Smith: 6-1-BYE-2-dnp-dnp (9), Mike McNeill: 0-2-BYE-0-2-0 (4), Matthew Mulligan: 0-2-BYE-0-0-1 (3), Brit Miller: 1-0-BYE-1-dnp-dnp (2), Isaiah Pead: 0-0-BYE-1-0-0 (1)
Janoris Jenkins was the MVP of last week's win over Arizona, but on the offensive side it was all Chris Givens and Steven Jackson. Sam Bradford completed just 8-of-17 passes, but for 205 yards and two touchdowns. Five of those completions went to Chris Givens, who totaled 115 yards and a touchdown and looks like he might be out of the doghouse after breaking team rules and missing week 10's game against the 49ers.
Steven Jackson has taken back the lead back role completely and has looked good in doing so. He's averaging 117 total yards a game over the last three weeks.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Vincent Jackson: 14-6-4-7-11-7 (49), Mike Williams: 8-11-8-4-9-5 (45), Dallas Clark: 6-3-5-1-11-4 (30), Tiquan Underwood: 6-5-2-2-2-9 (26), Doug Martin: 3-6-5-3-5-2 (24), Luke Stocker: 1-0-2-1-2-2 (8), Danny Ware: 1-2-1-0-3-0 (7), Nate Byham: 0-0-2-0-1-0 (3), Chris Owusu: dnp-dnp-dnp-1-dnp-1 (2), LeGarrette Blount: 1-0-0-0-dnp-0 (1), Arrelious Benn: 0-1-0-dnp-0-dnp (1)
Tiquan Underwood had a surprising nine targets, catching five for 77 yards, which were both career highs. This wasn't Josh Freeman's best game and it showed in the passing numbers. Vincent Jackson still managed 96 yards, but Freeman didn't pass for a touchdown.
Doug Martin did the scoring with two rushing touchdowns and showed that even in down games, he is fantasy relevant. After a tough game in Denver they get the Eagles and Saints. Them's good fantasy eatin'.
Washington Redskins
Josh Morgan: 2-8-12-BYE-4-6 (32), Logan Paulsen: 6-6-8-BYE-1-3 (24), Santana Moss: 4-9-2-BYE-1-5 (21), Leonard Hankerson: 8-4-4-BYE-2-2 (20), Pierre Garcon: dnp-dnp-dnp-BYE-3-7 (10), Aldrick Robinson: 1-1-2-BYE-1-1 (6), Evan Royster: 1-1-4-BYE-0-0 (6), Niles Paul: 1-1-2-BYE-0-1 (5), Brandon Banks: 0-0-2-BYE-1-1 (4), Alfred Morris: 2-0-1-BYE-1-0 (4), Darrel Young: 1-1-0-BYE-1-0 (3), Dezmon Briscoe: dnp-2-1-BYE-dnp-dnp (3), Chris Cooley: dnp-1-1-BYE-0-dnp (2), Fred Davis: 1-dnp-dnp-BYE-dnp-dnp (1)
Robert Griffin III threw for four touchdowns for his second straight game. That sirs and ma'am is a rookie record. And he got a nice boost from his favorite receiver from the first quarter of week one, Pierre Garcon. Garcon caught five of seven targets for 93 yards and a touchdown and if he can manage his foot pain, he should continue to lead the team in targets.
Alfred Morris reemerged from a three-week slump and four week touchdown drought. He doesn't get receptions so it will be hard for him to be a stud week in and week out, but if RGIII continues his hot pace, Morris should have plenty of opportunities.
Snap count data comes from our friends at Pro Football Focus and red zone data from our other friends at The Football Guys.
Welcome to Week 13 of the NFC Target Watch. We are closing in on the fantasy playoffs like Rick Reilly on a Twitter scoop, so buckle your fake football seatbelts and get to reading!
All target data is for the last six weeks.
Arizona Cardinals
Larry Fitzgerald: 7-11-12-BYE-7-12 (49), Andre Roberts: 9-11-7-BYE-5-13 (45), Rob Housler: 7-5-9-BYE-0-11 (32), Michael Floyd: 1-11-7-BYE-4-4 (27), Early Doucet: 6-4-4-BYE-7-dnp (21), LaRod Stephens-Howling: 5-4-4-BYE-4-1 (18), William Powell: 1-0-0-BYE-0-9 (10), Jeff King: 0-3-1-BYE-0-1 (5), Anthony Sherman: dnp-2-1-BYE-0-0 (3), LaRon Byrd: dnp-dnp-dnp-BYE-dnp-1 (1)
Ryan Lindley was able to move the ball some last week, but also threw four interceptions and only connected with Larry Fitzgerald on three out of 12 targets. He did give Andre Roberts and Rob Housler more production than they have had lately. Housler has ability and it's intriguing that Lindley targeted him 11 times and he caught eight for 82 yards, but I don't know how you could trust any Cardinals pass catcher until we see more consistency out of whatever quarterback they haul out there.
Beanie Wells had a nice fantasy return from his injury by scoring two touchdowns. He has proven to be a great goal line back over the last couple years, but of course injuries, a middling skill set, no passing down work, and no quarterback keep him from big numbers. He ran 17 times for 48 yards, which is a 3.8 yards per carry pace. He'll need those touchdowns which will be hit and miss.
Atlanta Falcons
Roddy White: BYE-4-10-13-13-7 (47), Tony Gonzalez: BYE-5-5-15-8-5 (38), Julio Jones: BYE-5-6-5-7-9 (32), Jacquizz Rodgers: BYE-5-5-4-6-2 (22), Harry Douglas: BYE-dnp-2-7-6-3 (18), Jason Snelling: BYE-3-3-3-3-3 (15), Michael Turner: BYE-2-1-1-2-3 (9), Lousaka Polite: BYE-3-1-dnp-dnp-dnp (4), Drew Davis: BYE-2-0-1-1-0 (4), Michael Palmer: BYE-0-1-1-0-0 (2)
Julio Jones took his rightful place as the target and production leader this week after nursing a bad ankle over the last couple weeks. There is little doubt that he is the premier playmaker on the Falcons and if he's healthy, the coaches use him as such. Of course much depends on the defense and flow of the game, but a healthy Jones means Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez have to share some targets.
The struggle between good (Jacquizz Rodgers) and evil (Michael Turner) was won by Rodgers last Sunday. Rodgers had 31 snaps compared to 23 for Turner and he also topped him in fantasy points. This battle is by no means over and I doubt we will see a clear winner this season, but it does seem like the coaches are gaining trust in Rodgers ability enough so that he had four red zone looks to Turner's two.
Carolina Panthers
Steve Smith: 9-16-7-7-7-7 (53), Greg Olsen: 5-5-9-10-6-5 (40), Brandon LaFell: 8-4-dnp-8-7-7 (34), Louis Murphy: 9-4-2-2-4-2 (23), Jonathan Stewart: 4-6-1-2-1-3 (17), Mike Tolbert: 1-1-1-2-2-2 (9), Armanti Edwards: 0-dnp-1-3-1-0 (5), Gary Barnidge: 0-1-1-1-0-1 (4), DeAngelo Williams: 0-0-0-1-0-1 (2), Ben Hartsock: 0-1-0-0-0-0 (1), Kealoha Pilares: 0-0-1-dnp-dnp-dnp (1)
Brandon LaFell has one more target than Steve Smith over the last three weeks and has tied or exceeded Smith's fantasy production five of the last seven weeks. It seems Cam Newton isn't going to just focus on Smith in the passing game like he did early in the season.
Jonathan Stewart is hurt and DeAngelo Williams will take over the lead back role, but Williams has a measly 3.2 yards per carry this season and Cam Newton is the goal line back.
Chicago Bears
Brandon Marshall: 10-14-10-13-4-17 (68), Earl Bennett: 6-4-8-2-2-4 (26), Matt Forte: 5-5-2-5-4-2 (23), Devin Hester: 6-2-2-4-4-0 (18), Kellen Davis: 2-1-0-5-2-4 (14), Matt Spaeth: 1-2-0-3-0-1 (7), Alshon Jeffery: dnp-dnp-dnp-dnp-4-dnp (4), Michael Bush: 1-0-1-0-1-1 (4), Evan Rodriguez: dnp-dnp-1-0-1-1 (3), Kyle Adams: 1-0-0-1-0-0 (2), Eric Weems: 0-0-1-0-0-1 (2)
Any Chicago Bears target blurbage could just be me typing Brandon Marshall's name over and over again until you throw something at the computer screen. Eric Weems took over for Devin Hester after his concussion and had one target. The only receiver left that has any kind of potential is Earl Bennett. I could see him doing something down the stretch, but picking the game he does it in will be tough.
Matt Forte reinjured his ankle and Michael Bush took over. He isn't going to blow the doors off of any defenses, but he is really all the Bears have and will get every down work.
Dallas Cowboys
Jason Witten: 8-22-8-10-8-15 (71), Miles Austin: 9-16-9-4-12-2 (52), Dez Bryant: 3-11-4-5-15-11 (49), Felix Jones: 6-3-5-3-3-4 (24), Cole Beasley: dnp-0-2-1-1-13 (17), Kevin Ogletree: 6-3-4-0-3-dnp (16), Lance Dunbar: 0-0-2-0-3-6 (11), Dwayne Harris: 0-0-0-0-3-7 (10), Lawrence Vickers: 1-0-1-2-1-2 (7), John Phillips: 0-3-0-0-0-0 (3), Phillip Tanner: 1-1-0-0-0-0 (2), James Hanna: 0-1-0-0-0-0 (1)
Jason Witten is on pace for 119 receptions and 1.45 touchdowns. That is nutso facto. Amazingly Witten, Miles Austin and Dez Bryant all have the same number of red zone targets with 11. Of course Austin and Bryant have a much better chance at scoring from outside the red zone than Witten.
Dez Bryant continues to surge here at the end of the season with his second 145-yard performance in a row and four touchdowns in his last three games. He has a tough matchup with Pittsburgh, but Philly and the Saints make for fantasy bombshells.
Cole Beasley caught seven of 13 targets for 68 yards and did his best early in his career Danny Amendola impression. Of course those targets came with Miles Austin out of the game and it looks like he'll be back this week. It does seem like Beasley helps this offense keep the chains moving so we may see him get more work going forward, but his fantasy value is very low with Austin healthy.
Detroit Lions
Calvin Johnson: 11-8-8-13-11-17 (68), Brandon Pettigrew: 6-9-3-9-7-15 (49), Titus Young: 8-9-5-7-6-dnp (35), Tony Scheffler: 3-8-3-1-10-6 (31), Ryan Broyles: 4-5-6-1-2-12 (30), Joique Bell: 4-4-4-8-1-2 (23), Mikel Leshoure: 7-5-2-3-1-2 (20), Mike Thomas: 3-7-0-0-0-6 (16), Nate Burleson: 3-dnp-dnp-dnp-dnp-dnp (3), Kevin Smith: dnp-1-1-0-0-1 (3), Will Heller: 0-0-1-0-1-0 (2)
We already know that Calvin Johnson is the knees of bees, but we have a new receiver in town by the name of Ryan Broyles. After Titus Young was sent to bed with no dessert, Broyles feasted on Thanksgiving pies and cookies and all sorts of sugary snacks. He caught six of 12 targets for 126 yards and it looks like he'll continue to have chances going forward as Young continues his persona non grata tour.
Green Bay Packers
Randall Cobb: 8-7-9-BYE-12-7 (43), James Jones: 10-9-7-BYE-4-0 (30), Alex Green: 5-6-4-BYE-1-4 (20), Jordy Nelson: 9-dnp-1-BYE-5-4 (19), Jermichael Finley: 2-6-2-BYE-3-5 (18), Donald Driver: 1-2-2-BYE-1-0 (6), James Starks: dnp-2-0-BYE-1-1 (4), John Kuhn: 1-dnp-dnp-BYE-0-3 (4), Jarrett Boykin: 0-1-2-BYE-dnp-0 (3), Tom Crabtree: 0-1-2-BYE-0-0 (3), D.J. Williams: 0-1-0-BYE-0-1 (2)
The Giants punched the Packers in the face pretty hard Sunday night and the target numbers that flew out only totaled 25 attempts, Aaron Rodger's fewest attempts since 2010. Randall Cobb led in targets, but Jordy Nelson made the only fantasy impact on a long touchdown catch. The biggest head scratcher is that James Jones didn't have a single target. A healthy Jordy Nelson and so few pass attempts account for some of that goose egg, but it's still a little odd. And with Greg Jennings most likely coming back this week, it will be impossible to start Jones with any confidence.
The running back situation continues to go back and forth between Alex Green and James Starks and neither can do anything to keep the job. Starks is averaging 3.4 yards per carry and Green 3.1 and neither has scored a touchdown. Danger, Will Robinson!
Minnesota Vikings
Kyle Rudolph: 4-2-2-9-BYE-9 (26), Percy Harvin: 5-12-6-dnp-BYE-dnp (23), Adrian Peterson: 4-1-4-4-BYE-7 (20), Michael Jenkins: 2-9-2-3-BYE-4 (20), Jerome Simpson: 1-7-2-4-BYE-5 (19), Jarius Wright: dnp-dnp-dnp-5-BYE-10 (15), Toby Gerhart: 0-2-2-2-BYE-0 (6), Devin Aromashodu: 0-dnp-1-1-BYE-3 (5), Rhett Ellison: 0-1-1-0-BYE-1 (3), John Carlson: 0-dnp-dnp-1-BYE-2 (3), Stephen Burton: 0-0-dnp-1-BYE-1 (2), Jerome Felton: 0-0-1-1-BYE-0 (2), Allen Reisner: dnp-dnp-1-dnp-BYE-dnp (1)
With Percy Harvin still out with a high ankle sprain, the targets were once again funneled to Kyle Rudolph, Jarius Wright and even Adrian Peterson. Rudolph found the end zone, but suffered a concussion, which could keep him out this week. Add that to a still ailing Harvin and we may just see 15 targets for Wright against the Packers in week 13.
New Orleans Saints
Marques Colston: 10-10-4-6-6-5 (41), Jimmy Graham: dnp-10-11-8-6-6 (41), Lance Moore: 10-6-2-9-3-6 (36), Darren Sproles: 4-9-dnp-dnp-dnp-9 (22), Devery Henderson: 3-4-3-2-1-3 (16), Pierre Thomas: 1-2-3-2-4-1 (13), David Thomas: 4-0-0-0-0-5 (9), Travaris Cadet: 0-0-0-3-3-0 (6), Jed Collins: 1-0-1-0-2-2 (6), Joseph Morgan: 3-dnp-0-0-1-2 (6), Mark Ingram: 0-0-2-1-1-1 (5), Chris Ivory: dnp-dnp-1-1-0-0 (2), Courtney Roby: 0-1-dnp-dnp-0-0 (1)
Drew Brees has now thrown for under 300 yards for five straight games. He hadn't done that since the beginning of the 2007 season. Of course he's thrown for three or more touchdowns in eight of his 11 games this season, so this is more of an anomaly than anything else, but it is amazing that he has so consistently put up 300+ yard games.
It looks like the addition of Darren Sproles cut into Jimmy Graham's targets this week, that and the 49ers defense is pretty good. I thought Graham had his snaps cut back, but looking at the Pro Football Focus data, he actually saw a bigger percentage of snaps than he had since week four. I wouldn't worry too much about his down game here.
The running back situation is one to avoid unless you have Darren Sproles in a PPR league. Mark Ingram, Pierre Thomas, and Chris Ivory cannot exist in the same fantasy world.
New York Giants
Hakeem Nicks: 10-7-4-14-BYE-13 (48), Victor Cruz: 11-8-11-4-BYE-6 (40), Martellus Bennett: 7-6-4-9-BYE-3 (29), Ahmad Bradshaw: 5-0-0-4-BYE-3 (12), Domenik Hixon: 4-3-1-2-BYE-dnp (10), Andre Brown: 1-2-0-6-BYE-0 (9), Rueben Randle: 0-2-3-2-BYE-2 (9), Ramses Barden: 0-1-0-3-BYE-0 (4), Henry Hynoski: 1-0-1-0-BYE-2 (4), Bear Pascoe: 1-0-dnp-1-BYE-0 (2), Travis Beckum: dnp-dnp-0-1-BYE-0 (1), David Wilson: 0-0-0-0-BYE-1 (1)
It was just a matter of time before Eli Manning returned to the fantasy stage. His slump was pretty horrendous, but he tossed for three touchdowns and 249 yards. And the totals would probably have been higher if they hadn't put the beat down on the Packers.
Both Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks got into the end zone, which hasn't happened since week two. If both can get going again, Manning shouldn't have any trouble putting up fantasy numbers.
Ahmad Bradshaw put up good numbers on just 12 touches, totaling 119 yards and a touchdown. And with Andre Brown breaking his fibula, Bradshaw is assured more work going forward.
Philadelphia Eagles
Jeremy Maclin: BYE-9-4-12-3-7 (35), DeSean Jackson: BYE-8-7-8-9-1 (33), Brent Celek: BYE-5-9-3-8-3 (28), Jason Avant: BYE-8-9-2-dnp-dnp (19), LeSean McCoy: BYE-3-3-5-7-dnp (18), Riley Cooper: BYE-1-1-3-7-2 (14), Clay Harbor: BYE-0-4-3-6-0 (13), Stanley Havili: BYE-1-1-2-3-1 (8), Bryce Brown: BYE-0-0-0-0-5 (5), Damaris Johnson: BYE-dnp-0-1-2-2 (5)
The Eagles found some instant offense in the rookie Bryce Brown on Monday night. And really, that's the only offense they could find. He had 189 of their 308 total yards and both of their touchdowns. And he was also second in targets and receptions.
DeSean Jackson hurt his ribs and has been put on injured reserve, so that leaves Jeremy Maclin and Brent Celek as the main non-running back targets. If they can do anything with Nick Foles at quarterback remains to be seen.


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In Yoda speak, 'Road Warriors theses girls they were.'
The Saints girls basketball team won two games on the road this week. That's now three wins for the year and this week was, with out a doubt, the best week of the year for the young Saints. They've had some moral victories over the season (aka close losses) but victories are even better.
In Yoda speak, 'Road Warriors theses girls they were.'
The Saints girls basketball team won two games on the road this week. That's now three wins for the year and this week was, with out a doubt, the best week of the year for the young Saints. They've had some moral victories over the season (aka close losses) but victories are even better.
SJA 55, New Ulm 45
Last Thursday, the Saint went to New Ulm with the hopes of getting their second win of the year. SJA beat New Ulm in December when they played them at home. Still, it was a close win back then and there is no guarantee when you are playing on the road that another win will be there.
But the Saints won by a 55 to 45 margin. Not that New Ulm was going to roll over and give the game away.
The Eagles led 21 to 20 at the half. The Saints poured it on in the second half as the outscored New Ulm 35-24.
Speaking on the night of the win, Head Coach Adam Schroeder said, "Great win tonight! The girls struggled on the offensive end in the first half, but our defense kept us in it.
"We came out of the half down by one but our good defense continued and our shots started to fall as well. I'm very proud of how well our girls are playing on both ends of the floor in the last few games.
"Our seniors are leading our young girls and our young girls are starting to figure things out. We really are starting to mature as a team, and our turnovers are being cut down as a result of it."
Once again, Julia Beckius led the Saint in scoring with 11, but Allison Brandts and Emily Hurley each had ten points. Hurley led the Saints with eight rebounds and Brandts was the assist leader with five.
SJA rolls over Maple River 57-29
The SJA road warriors, err, Saints beat Maple River on Tuesday night by a score of 57-29.
The game was never close, as the Saints took early control of the second flock of Eagles they played in a week and cruised out to a 34-10 half time lead.
Three Saints were in double figures. Julia Beckius was the point leader with 17 and Hurley and Brenda Cervantes each had ten points.
Emily Bottem led the Saints in assists with four and Devon Flohrs led the team in rebounds with six.
Commenting on this win, Coach Schroeder said, "The girls played very well on Tuesday night. We came out ready to go right from the start. "I thought our defensive intensity was outstanding. We kept pressure on them all night and capitalized off their mistakes.
"When our girls play how they are capable of playing, we can compete with anybody. This win was a total team effort, I was very proud of our girls tonight."
Luverne 66, Saints 42
The 'friendly confines' of the St. James Gym were not as friendly as the road for the girl roundballers on Saturday, as the Luverne Cardinals came to town and beat the Saints by a score of 66-42.
The girls have had games this year, where they have a very tough time scoring. Saturday night was one of those games.
It's usually reflected in the shooting stats. the Saints shot 29 percent from the floor, 22 percent from behind the arc and made 38 percent of their free throws.
Devon Flohrs was the only Saint to reach double figures. She had ten points. Emily Hurley had nine rebounds. The stats show no Saint had an assist. The team had 23 turnovers.


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Fight Club is the new forum AGD was talking about, it's for certain illustrious members of our group to discuss things with an extremely low signal-noise ratio, basicly it's for tech discussions between the demi-gods amongst us.
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fight club is a new selective forum that you have to invited into. I am still unclear as to why we need this???
someone care to enlighten me.
I would like to know as well, it seems to defeat the purpose of this forum. I came here well over a year ago from IPR. (Back before AGD owned the site, and before we ever knew AGD was actually T.K.) In that time I havn't made 50 posts, but I have read a great deal of them. The reason i stayed was becuase the discusion was intelligent, trolls were delt with, and it was all a big online family.
This whole fight club thing is 180 degrees from the right way to go. It seperates the knowlegable posters from the unwashed masses. If they are worried about their posts being lost in a sea of OT junk, maybe the OT junk should be gotten rid of.
This does two harmful things to this community, first it divides it, and rather arbitrarily; and second it leaves that much more room for junk to be posted on the main.
Get the non-paintball stuff off the main, and we get back to where we were prior to the shut-down. And in my opinion, that smaller, closer-knit community was much preferable.
[This message has been edited by Rooster (edited 07-18-2001).]
Shhh...First Rule of Fight Club is not to talk about it We are supposed to be enlightened by the brilliant conversation of the guru's. Im readily awaiting these fascinating convo.s
And not to be able to participate in the discussion ourselves? I might as well be being lectured at school.
i always figured the best next-step for forums was an O/T forum. IPR has great general discussion and flame forums.
as long as we can read these posts from the gods i have no problem. i dont post much anyways.
Fight Club is meant to sort out the most inteligent posts and put them in a place where the casual reader can go read them all at once. It (if it works right) will condense the best of what this forum has to offer into an easy to read section. We have been loosing the interest of many old time people because they find it tiring to wade through all the posts looking for ones to read.
Please don't take this as segregation, if that becomes the general feeling we will have to kill the club.
i think it is a good idea. there are too many off the wall posts on here. i am one of the people that dont know anything yet but it is hard to learn from these forums if you cant find anything useful.
If this was a forum for only AGD staff to post about new products, like the trigger frame, or the modular bodies, and then people can comment on the main, I could understand that. For you this forum is an investment, and i understand why its important to get opinions about new stuff for marketing. 1000 brains is better than 1. This forum helps you to get information out, and thats important.
However, to have a board where only the elite are represented is divisive to the community. If you can post there, why post here? If the goal is to keep people on topic, why not make an off-topic board? I can read a FAQ just like the next guy, which is what the fight-club board will become, just a huge FAQ. But what if I have a question about something that someone posted, or a comment? Why not make the board so only registered Club members can post, but anyone can reply. Slap me if I'm wrong, but I always thought the point of a discussion forum was to discuss stuff, not watch it happen.
Personally, I don't really expect to get in, nor do I care, because the amount of intelligent knowledge I know about Mags and pneumatics in general could probably fit in a thimble.
But there are those here who won't get in and WILL care. They will feel excluded, and then they'll be angry.
What will this do? It will divide the community. It's turning AO into a class system where you have the aristocratic elite and the peon commoners :-) This causes inter-class tension. Hasn't anyone here ever taken sociology? I'm not guessing this will happen, it's proven human nature.
If there were a forum just for AGD employees/engineers/techs to discuss stuff where we could watch, that would be one thing. That would be like looking through the glass into the DNA extraction chamber at Jurrasic Park. But Fight Club is more like looking up at a glass ceiling and wondering who you have to sleep with to get on the elevator.
I think that AO is the best paintball forum on the net, and I don't want to see problems because of Fight Club, and I can only see that happening.
Tom, I hope you prove me wrong, keep going on with your beta test. :-)
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[This message has been edited by Thordic (edited 07-18-2001).]
Im not sure how well fight club will work out - but maybe instead of feeling left out and bitter - you give it a chance and listen to people much smarter than you hash out some interesting topics. Maybe you will LEARN something. Im not saying you all are idiots. Hell - its hard for me to keep up some times and I consider myself pretty sharp. But Tom, Rob, Manike, and Bill Mills (to name a few) have a DEEP understanding of how paintball gear operates and have a solid understanding of engineering. A school lecture? Nothing so formal. But you might learn a thing or two if you stop passing notes and throwing airplanes.
There is NOTHING stopping you guys from taking a topic from Fight Club and discussing it on here.
Also - in order to build a community - you must allow off topic posts. Other wise people get bored reading about power tube spacers for the 10th time this week. It is also too costly in the way of the time for our moderators. It also breed bad feeling from users because they feel repressed. So - let me state yet again, that OT posts will continue on the main forum.
Im sorry you all feel this is going to split us up. To be honest - it was Toms idea and soemthing he got excited about. I mean - if you have ever met Tom in person, you dont talk alot. You do alot of listening. You prod and ask some questions, but in general you here what he has to say. I think Tom wanted a forum more centric to his thinking - having people he knows help him discuss something beyond what drop forward to get. I think he was hoping that you all would see it as a way to view a roundtable discussion among select panalists...
Well - we all see things different. I hope it works out. But dont worry - we can kill the forum in one minute should it damage our community...
Webmaster - AutoMags.Org
"Good...bad...I'm the guy with the gun." - Ash, Army of Darkness
Shooting the Dingo after it eats your baby is just a little late to do any good, except for maybe your conscience.
I know i will never make it into the club. I got RL issues that keep me from making paintball my life (god knows i wish i could). I also realize that alot of knowledge is and will be represented by the Club. Just the staff alone has forgotten more than most of us could learn in a dozen lifetimes.
Which is why I was glad they were posting on our (main) board! It gave us a chance to interact with people that we look up to and respect. It made me proud to be a Mag owner, becuase it felt like the man who masterminded our gun was right down there in the trenches with us. He is doing his best to be number one in producing guns and we are doing our best to become number one while using them. Will that continue?
I don't know. Where I'm from, its all about the good old boy system, and thats what this reeks of. Everyone hates the good old boy network becuase its elitest, that is until they get asked to join, then they are all gun-ho. They turn their backs on the people that used to be their friends. Are the good old boys the most knowledgable farmers in the tri-county area? Sure. Does anyone besides them care? Not Really.
I don't know, maybe I'm just cynical when it comes to human nature, but thats all I can see this becoming, I've seen it happen too many times to think otherwise.
"The road to hell is paved with good intensions."
[This message has been edited by Rooster (edited 07-18-2001).]
If that's the way it turns out, Webby, then great, I'm all for it.
But I see people voting for Son, xSpyx, and Pyro. No offense to either of them (As much as I love to make fun of Pyro :-), but they aren't exact the premeir paintball minds on this site. They just post a lot. And thats not a bad thing, there are a lot of questions here that these guys answer.
I think that if Tom wants it to be a group of people who can come up with innovative paintball ideas, then he should handchoose them himself. And the list should be small.
I'm thinking Tom, Rob, the other AGD employees (JJ, John Sosta, etc), manike, Bill Mills, etc, but not just people who post a lot on here like cphilip (Nothing against you, man, just trying to hopefully make a point here without pissing anyone off.) Cphilip is a great guy, and superhelpful, but I don't know if he is going to be the guy to think up the "next big thing".
I hope no one takes this the wrong way and understands the way I mean this, I just used cphilips name because it popped into my head, and I figure he's the least likely to take this personally.
I'm going to stop rambling and give other people a shot...
And by the way, Webby, I don't feel left out and bitter, if you were aiming that at me, I'm just trying to prevent other people from ending up that way.
[This message has been edited by Thordic (edited 07-18-2001).]
I think there are other ways of dealing with the problems on the site other than segregating which you are doing. I have a little over 100 posts, a bunch were lost. I could 900 if I posted pointless stuff which a lot of people do. So people that get there names out will be most known and the first and most likely to get into the club. Out of all my posts I probably have 5 that were pointless and didn't need to be written, all others were to answer a question or ask one.
I still think another forum is necessary, a general paintball forum which OT threads would be allowed. Use the main forum for Mag stuff only. This would clear it out.
There are people intelligent on this site that don't post every other second.
Just my opinion on the matter.
First off - Rooster seems to be lamenting the LOSS of Tom Kaye and others. They arent going anywhere! The "unwashed masses" will still ask quesitons, Tom will still answer them, and Tom will stil be asking everyone in the main forum thier opinion on upcoming projects.
The people who get post privilages do so because Tom has met them in real life - or thier posts have caught his attention. I know for a fact post count doesnt mean anything.
And one more thing about new forums etc. We are going to open up a couple new forums - but you guys think this is a magic cure all - its not! We have a hard enough time getting you guys to post where you are supposed to with only 4 forums - if we open it up it will mean even more people will put posts in the wrong place. More forums is all well and good - IF people use them. And thus far I see a ton of tech posts in the main forum and vice versa.
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"Good...bad...I'm the guy with the gun." - Ash, Army of Darkness
Like I said, the road to hell is paved with good intensions. By concentrating the intelligence from this forum and putting it on another you are opening the door to their leaving and not coming back. If you could post important ideas somewhere else with out having Joe Noob's OT post pushing it down, wouldn't you?
I agree, the forum is a great idea for making a community of our best and brightest and having them debate things that could make AO, AGD, and paintball better. Its like an artist's colony, or a brain trust. But the problem is that those are closed societies and could very easily become elitest. Will it happen? Who is to say. Could it happen? Of course. Ever read Animal Farm?
I have my own ideas about what a semi-automatic is becuase i was a sport shooter for 10 years. But I have to email cphillip with my ideas becuase aparently I'm not intellegent enough to carry on a conversation with the movers and shakers on this forum.
Seperate but equal isn't equal at all. Either all our opinions count or you might as well revoke all our posting privilages and make the forum a bulitin board. Never have to worry about posts getting buried, never have to worry about flames or noobs making multiple posts. I'd still read it, and then at least I would know what my place is.
I deeply respect the patriarchs of the AO family. They have alot of wisdom to impart. But an invite only forum is is just as bad as an invite only country club or anything else elitest. There is only one thing that makes one elitest organization different from another, and thats when the rules to get in are completely subjective. Having a forum for techs only, or mods only is one thing, this club is something else. Didn't anyone get enough of this popularity contest stuff in high school? Thats what it is. Nominate your buddy, nominate the people you think will be most valuable to you. Then you get people posting stuff like all your posts are fluff, you don't deserve to be in, you nominated yourself, you don't deserve to be in.
The cracks are forming, and the lines are being drawn. Its really sad to me, becuase I love this place. But the fact is that it existed before AGD bought it, and it can exist without them. If enough people find this as much of a problem as I do, whos to say what will happen?
Why should it even come to that? I thought the overwhelming concerns about the forum would have quashed it, and yet today i log in and find it there. All the people pre-invited leap to defend it, and those who find the idea loathesome are told in so many words to learn to like it.
jeez, what a headache!!! i mean i think the idea could fly, nothing will be hurt in trying. but i feel like im sitting in on a session of congress here. its like were about to decide the fate of the world. paintball is supposed to be fun, thus since this is a paintball site it too should be fun. lets just try it out and go from there. if it doesnt work out, people will voice their opinions at that time and we can do what we need to to fix it.
Start your own topic in the main forum. Im sure everyone would love to hear your ideas.
I still dont feel this is an elitist group. I am sorry that you find it that way. Its not a private group for us to stroke eachothers egos (I CAN make it so only people who can post can view the forum). The idea was to get some interesting conversation...
I dunno - I see your point but I just dont think you are giving it a fair shake...
I dont want people to feel like this is an elitist forum - at the same time it *IS* Toms money that makes this all possible - he deserves to have some fun with it...
Webmaster - AutoMags.Org
"Good...bad...I'm the guy with the gun." - Ash, Army of Darkness
[This message has been edited by Webmaster (edited 07-18-2001).]
Phil, I didn't mean to say your opinions were worthless. Far from it. And I know that you don't just go around posting tons of crap to get your numbers up either.
Actually, i haven't been on as much as normal lately and all these changes happened rather fast. I guess I'll sit down and shut up till I have read through everything and know what is going on
Rooster, I see your point, but you are looking at it from the wrong angle. Fight Club is a forum where yes, call them the great minds if you will, can gather and discuss in-depth technical aspects of the sport and equipment. But it is not for their enjoyment alone, that is why webby has allowed us to be able to view all that is written, rather than a closed access post.
We can learn while avoiding the inevitable response, like:
AGD---" I believe Caudle Fusion has much to do with the advancement of technology in allowing the 'Cocker to far out range an Automag, don't you"?
newbidoobie---"cockers suck dude"!
We instead will read a response from the likes of Bill Mills, or Miscue among other notable members, reaffirming the fact that no gun out-ranges another and this is the physics to prove it, ya nutty bone hunter.
I am slowly warming to the Fight Club idea, and it will be awhile until I can fully accept it, but until then I will watch Tom's new toy develope.
That's strange, I could have sworn I left it here.
I know perfectly well that you can make the forum so that only registered users can access the page. I've intalled UBB more times than i can count, and I've written better board systems myself.
That fact that you would even bring that up solidifies my point even more. I know its all about what Tom wants. I can understand why he wants a forum that eliminates the rif-raf from it. What I hope he understands is that a great many people are going to be upset that they have been left behind.
The correct method of making this forum not seem like an elitest forum is not to tell people it isn't. I've got eyes, I've got a mind, I know whats elitest and whats not, I don't need you to explain it to me.
This forum was for everyone, now its not. The biggest noob and the president of the company were equals, now they arn't.
I'm done caring, which is sad, becuase this used to be something I cared about. I've checked these boards religiously for over 15 months now. If people refuse to see past their own nose, theres no way i can help them.
I'm sorry you see it that way. Can you not see it as a way or as an incentive for people to post better and think harder about things in an effort to become a member? Maybe people will stop posting 'ups' and the quality of the whole board will go up.
I have no intention of just posting there. I intend to post here also (although I admit I'm one of webby's bad guys who doesn't look into the tech forum much...
I'm hoping it will be an incentive for people to pay more attention in their physics classes... to learn the maths behind the theories... and to think with an open mind. If doing this gets just a couple of people to think harder about their world then it's a great thing and in my mind makes up for those that don't feel they are part of it... if it helps people find knowledge that would otherwise have been lost on the board it's a good thing.
The only bad thing is that some will be jealous. If that is an incentive for them to be upset that is about their charachter. Jealousy is something we all have to be able to deal with in real life. If it is an incentive for them to learn then that is also about their charachter, and those are the people that this will help.
It is a resource and incentive not a reason for jealousy.
I feel the same way about my peers. I strive to test my mind and to push my limits. I don't sit and get upset at not being able to do it or be part of it, or if someone knows more about something than me. I work hard to become part of it, if I want to be. Knowledge is a valuable thing and the more people can get to easily the better.
I've been told many things were impossible in my life, when I hear that I like to try and prove those people wrong. If I wasn't part of FC and wanted to be, I would be trying to think of new interesting posts and information so I could get in. That is, I think, a very good thing for these boards, as those posts will be here in the main forum!
I've been posting on the net for years, I do it mainly to give help and to try and stop the spread of hype and BS which I feel ruins our sport. I don't often start threads, just respond to them. In nearly two years of posting on PBC I think I had a total of 500ish posts, I don't post for count, I post to help and to debate. If I feel there is somewhere my information can help someone else then to me it's a good thing. If someone see's something there that inspires them to ask more questions here then it's done it's job also. Posts are more likely to stay visible for a longer time there so that may well happen.
I do understand your point. I hope you can see mine and what this forum might achieve, or mean to some people.
I can understand why industry people want their own forum. You all understand this stuff, and you are paid to do it.
I don't. I don't have time to. I have to concentrate my time on making enough money to stay alive and maybe have enough left to play paintball once that month.
If its an elitest club, then lets be out with it. Tell us that our input is not wanted and lets quit beating around the bush. Tell us we arn't wanted, and not this bit about it being good for all.
If you want your club, have it, but don't feed us BS and tell us its chocolate pudding.
I'm not in this industry, although I do have aspirations to be, I am not at the moment. I don't get paid to be involved in paintball. In fact it has cost me a small fortune.<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rooster:
I can understand why industry people want their own forum. You all understand this stuff, and you are paid to do it.</font>
I don't even get to play once a month. But I think paintball every day. It's my hobby and distraction from work<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rooster:
I don't. I don't have time to. I have to concentrate my time on making enough money to stay alive and maybe have enough left to play paintball once that month.</font>
The requirements to be part of the FC are open. You know what is required. If/When you meet the requirments you will be a member. Is college an elitis institution because you need to meet certain capabilities/criteria...? is a job an elitist club because you need to have certain qualifications/capabilities... It's only elitist if you don't put the effort into becoming a member/getting the job or getting into college. In each of these cases you are judged by others and your peers. That's not elitisim in my mind.<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rooster:
If its an elitest club, then lets be out with it. Tell us that our input is not wanted and lets quit beating around the bush. Tell us we arn't wanted, and not this bit about it being good for all. </font>
You've been told why it is there and what potential benefits could come from it. If you wish to see it as something else that is your choice. Nobody can tell you what to think, but they can help you to learn... That's what it is about for me. The ability to learn for myself and to help others to learn.<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rooster:
If you want your club, have it, but don't feed us BS and tell us its chocolate pudding.</font>
Chocolate pudding would be nice. Any one else hungry...?
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Well put Manike.
Hey, I couldn't get on the highschool football team because I'm a scrawny twerp... not because the coach was an elitist. I can't run fast, I can't throw, I can't catch, I can't kick the ball, and the opposing front line could just look at me and I'd fall over and hurt myself.
But if I really wanted to... and I worked hard at it, maybe I could have made the team. But regardless of all of this, I still have a lot of fun watching the game.
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That was just a simple quetion. What`s fight club. I think i got enough answer for now.
I have to say that i am very sad about what s going on here. That is realy tearing us apart.
Anyway, i use to like this forum, i am not a posting maniac, my english is not good enough for that, but i use to come here 10 times a day to read every post, but this thing is going to far.
For one thing Tom you were right, you`ve choosen the right name "Fight" club...
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I agree with Rooster. This is ridiculous. Not only did you insult my intelligence, not only do I feel excluded and alienated from the "great minds" of AO, but you have also spit in my face. Do you call this a family? The only word to describe this family is disfunctional.
manike, unless im mistaken, and i often am, you are the guy who writes for warpig about European events. If writing regularly for the biggest paintball information site on the internet isn't being in the industry, i don't know what is.
This whole fight club thing came about and it was billed as a great thing for the family. All the brains would be in one place, and the information would leak down to the masses. When people started saying "hey, i could see this cuasing a massive rift." They were ignored. They are still being ignored.
The criteria is not open, it is completely subjective. When you apply for a job you have a punch sheet of what you have to have to get the job. If they hire someone with less and you were otherwise the same, its discrimination. You know the requirements to get into college. Where do the fight club rules say it takes a 600 on the verbal portion of the fight club enterance exam?
Yes, you are right its just like the football team. Its just like high level paintball teams, its just like elite country clubs where you get asked to join. Which is elitest.
Like I said, if you want an elitest club, have it. I want no part of it, and i never did, that's not what this is about. What this is about is that you want your club, you won't admit its elitest, and you arn't willing to accept the idea it very well could harm the community (which i personally beleive it will).
All I want is for someone to own up.


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I was in the running for a new Android phone, and I was quite dead set on getting a Nexus 4 - however, there was another phone in the running: the OPPO Find 5, a smrtphone with lots of positive reviews, but from a small manufacturer. The point that made me choose the Find 5 over the Nexus 4? OPPO actively supports the ROM community by giving away free phones, and boasts support for CyanogenMod, Paranoid Android, and an AOSP ROM, and obviously, rooting is easy. OPPO also updates its own firmware/ROM twice per month with new features, which is a far cry from the big boys. If you're looking for a new Android phone, you might want to consider looking beyond the established players as well, and support a company who works closely with the community - something the big player still need to learn properly. Once the device arrives on my doorstep, I'll be sure to tell you all about it, and if it lives up to the hype. It is, after all, from a relatively unknown company, so I am taking a risk here. I am a little bit nervous. But hey, if none of us takes the risk, we'll be stuck with the big players forever.
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Big players ?
by Kochise on Fri 12th Jul 2013 11:31 UTC