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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – While We're Waiting, 2
And still we wait for justice for Travis!
06/03/2013 at 6:18 pm
Carried over
Chrissie I can only speak for myself but I feel like you are so wrong. Terribly wrong!!! I have seen people ask for personal contact and they are STILL here. No one is asking for or is offering any free consultations.
I agree with FOL that your "unfounded accusations are the only thing of concern here".
06/03/2013 at 6:26 pm
Carried over
Chrissie A :
With all due respect FOL, I am not mistaken, it's irrelevant who is initiating contact. When peeps are pouring their hearts out it's similar to an open wound, leaving them extremely vulnerable.
When the person in question sees this and engages them continually it's only a matter of time until they fall for the "free consultation" hook, line and sinker. How many things in life are free? How many so called "professionals" offer free consultations? Let alone spend most of their life on a blog. What is the motive? It could be something as innocent as using the content for their own means e.g. writing a book or building up a following of sorts, regardless, it's questionable.
Anyone can claim to be anything they want online, most ask questions and perform due diligence when dealing with an unknown, but when someone is vulnerable even the most intelligent can and will throw that to the wind. Most professionals online, especially in the psyche field have a CV or a background that can be validated – not so in this case. But I can assure you one will pop up as of this writing, but will it be validated?
I a speaking from a personal experience and I as I don't feel it is the forum to go into detail, I will say the contact left me extremely disappointed and concerned for others. I am not trying to burst anyones bubble here, but when I saw yet another contact being sucked in yesterday, I felt it time to speak up. As I mentioned in my previous post, look for similar patterns with others that have made contact, (regardless of the initiation) that have all but disappeared from the blog, it's entirely up to you.
I am speaking only for myself. I have led a pretty fortunate life (so far), the worst
tragedy I've ever experienced was losing my parents, both in their 80′s. That is NOT to say, that makes me unable to sympathize with the wonderful people here, who've chose to open their hearts and share their personal stories. I am rarely vulnerable, and rarely fooled.
Your unfounded accusations are the only thing of concern here.
This should be above my post above.
Let's all bear in mind that we are all here to try and get Justice for Travis! Let's not muck up the sandbox with these kinds of things. We are only able to post at the pleasure of Donchais – let's not make her job any harder. TY
06/03/2013 at 6:30 pm
sorry about the moderation donchais, but I felt this needed to be addressed!
06/03/2013 at 6:34 pm
I guess I missed some postings and I dont know what is going on now. Any news related to Travis?
06/03/2013 at 6:38 pm
Nothing new however tomorrow will be the anniversary of the day Travis passed. It will sadly be 5 years and the family is still waiting. Oh, the July 18th retrial date will have to be changed because Gidget has a conflict 😉
06/03/2013 at 6:45 pm
Thank you Donchais and MMD after the "hang jury" I went into fog phase. I can wait for the retrial and see finally Travis and his family be left in peace. I got disgusted with the comments done by Wobo partners. How come after being convicted she can still tweet and sell stuff? Why everything is allowed for her? Make me sick.
06/03/2013 at 6:50 pm
She's not tweeting anymore 😀
06/03/2013 at 7:17 pm
Hello My Mother's Daughter. Just sayin howdy to ya.
06/03/2013 at 7:28 pm
And hello to you Janna 😀
06/03/2013 at 6:51 pm
as for the rest of the stuff like selling t-shirts, etc. I'll lend ya my hurl bucket 😉
06/03/2013 at 7:18 pm
P.S. Arias had a tweet on May 29. Haven't seen any newer ones.
06/03/2013 at 7:30 pm
I see that but it did show before that her twitter account did not exist. Now it does exist again. Interesting and not in a good way 👿
06/03/2013 at 6:52 pm
Hi Regina! Yes, the fact that hetr Tweeting remained after being convicted is so wrong! Dono seems to be laying low though (at least I haven't heard/ seen anything), now that her parole officer is paying better attention.
The court records were unsealed on May 30th, so we are anxiously awaiting them surfacing via the media.
06/03/2013 at 7:22 pm
Hi FOL thank you for your insight. I was under the impression that he was still tweeting . Thank God if she shut up. Nothing good can come from her mouth. I hope she gets hit with copyrights misuse from her "art".
06/03/2013 at 6:47 pm
MMD, you're one in a million!
06/03/2013 at 6:58 pm
No I'm not, just trying to see the sandbox used for the purpose it was built.
06/03/2013 at 7:16 pm
The jurors sure have clammed up. I was expecting to hear more from them, particularly the dismissed #5. I thought she said she'd speak up after it was over. I'd really like to get her take on the jury dynamics and if she was surprised by the non verdict verdict in the penalty phase.
06/03/2013 at 7:33 pm
Juror #5 specifically said that she would give an interview after the trial about why she was released but nothing so far. Unless after the scrutiny that the jurors who did speak went through, she decided to stay quiet. Maybe we'll never know.
06/03/2013 at 8:06 pm
I am so glad they finally clammed up! wish all of them would have stayed quiet until the penalty phase is finished!
06/03/2013 at 7:22 pm
I've been sad today thinking about the twisted plots and actions going through Arias' noggin 5 years ago. What were some of the things she was doing on June 3, 2008?
06/03/2013 at 7:25 pm
Captain Bubbles???? Can you please come to the sandbox and play with us for awhile? Janna from the Midwest misses you.
06/03/2013 at 7:26 pm
donchais :
No, the jury recommended…only the judge can sentence…jury said life with parole (on the murder charges, he will be 75 when eligible) judge can now add additional years for all the other crimes and I hope he stacks them and piles it high and deep!
Ohh that's very good. I did not realize that the judge has this prerogative. Please update us when you know the sentence, Donchais.
06/03/2013 at 7:38 pm
Wow zer. So much action. Glad I was away. And now I have guilt that I was…One thing I learned, dear friends, upon getting back on the computer, is that a good friend of mine was killed a couple days ago in Afghanistan. He was an interpreter, Pakastani born, but loved America; spoke several languages, and settled many disputes, calmed many nerves, and broke alot of bread, with freedom yearning people, suspected enemies, and bona fide western hate/killers. He was a smart man that The World will miss. And I get back on here to check in with folks I feel a kinship with and find animosity and bitchiosity. I don't know who is guilty; frankly I don't care. I'm back now. And ALL hatchets are buried. Threats? Seriously? Like I said, I don't know the full story of what went on, but anybody is gonna threaten anyone here, then move on, take it up elsewhere. As far as I know, I am friends with a few people on here because I posted my email and facebook address; to make friends and share some of my stories. And from what I gather here, many of those same people are quibbling now. It's over now folks. Now we move forward. Thank you.
06/03/2013 at 7:53 pm
Bubble, I'm so very sorry to hear about your friend, I'm at a loss for more fitting words to convey my condolences.. God bless him and his loved ones.
06/03/2013 at 7:55 pm
My deepest sympathies on the loss of your friend Bubble.
06/03/2013 at 8:11 pm
ahhh bubbs, soo sorry about your friend…..
06/03/2013 at 9:03 pm
Bubble, I am so sorry about your friend. He sounds like he was a very giving soul.
06/03/2013 at 9:45 pm
Sorry to hear about your friend. My young nephew has been deployed to Afghanistan on two separate occasions. The family is relieved to have him back home in the states out of harm's way.
06/03/2013 at 7:47 pm
Bubble – You've been missed! I am heartbroken to hear that another such high level person with such an important skill set has been killed. How lucky you were to have known him, Bubble. It must be very hard for you now. I'm so sorry for his family and all of his friends, which undoubtedly had a lot of. Are you aware of the circumstances of his death? My deepest condolences to you, Bubble. So glad you are back.
06/03/2013 at 7:49 pm
Syntara :
And I don't think Family Of Law is her real name either… nor do I think Beans or Bubblebutts are their real names either.. although I dunno maybe bubblebutts is!!
My parents were not rebel enough to give me the middle name of, "of" LOL!. I feel comfortable enough here to tell you my name is Susie (one of the few my age that didn't become Susan after childhood!) Cheers to you dear Syn, you are very appreciated here.
06/03/2013 at 7:58 pm
Does that mean we can now call you Susie Q? 😆 just kidding FOL 🙂
06/03/2013 at 8:03 pm
Lol! I prefer that to every winter's 1st snowfall when I'm perpetually greeted with, "here comes Susie Snowflake" 🙂
06/03/2013 at 8:02 pm
Hear Hear!!!
06/03/2013 at 8:23 pm
You and my dear departed mommy, Susie. We also had a rescue dog that we adopted when she was a yr old and that had a patent ductus arteriosus and required open heart surgery at the Ohio State Veterinary School's hospital to save her life, The abusive former breeder/owner had to have known of her serious health problem but ignored it and when she became symptomatic and filled with infection from the continuous back flow of blood just dumped her – dropped her off in a wooded area to fend for herself. 😦
My mom was initially insulted, thinking that we had named our dog after her. I explained that she came with the name Susie and with all of her initial health problems that I didn't have the heart to change her name.
Miss Susie's heart stopped on the operating table and they almost lost her. She was the most intelligent dog that I have ever personally known. We had many months when she had to completely rest with no exertion or normal activity. During those 3 months I taught her ASL (American Sign Language). She knew 53 signs. She also made up a game that we constantly played during this time period that got us on David Letterman's stupid pet tricks!
I'd throw a small blue rubber ball to her and she'd catch it and pock it back to me, aimed directly at my mouth. It took me m-u-c-h longer to learn to catch it in my mouth and pock it from my mouth back to her. Now, I know all of you must think this is totally gross and disgusting, but just remember that a dog's mouth is 100 times cleaner than a human mouth. That is a scientific fact! Besides, I brushed her teeth every day!
Anyway, at the time, David Letterman had a girlfriend that lived in Chagrin Falls, OH, the next community up the road from us. Each summer for 3 yrs, he held a Stupid Pet Tricks Try-Out at the Metro Park close to our home. The 2nd year, we took Miss Suzi to try out and the rest is history! She was a huge hit on the show!!!
Actually, when we 1st moved to CA in 2003 to take care of my dearest dad, who was dying, we had 2 dogs, Miss Susie and Dottie Doodle. When my mom moved in with us after my dad died – it took some adjustment because each time I called Susie the dog, my mom who had Alzheimer's would turn around, thinking I was talking to her! It was pretty funny.
06/03/2013 at 9:04 pm
Love this post, Nancy!
06/03/2013 at 9:48 pm
You have the best stories Nancy B
06/04/2013 at 12:18 am
Nance, your post has me giggling and tearing simultaneously!!! You are indeed a gal after my own animal saving, lovin heart! I really want to find file footage of your beloved "Susie" on David Letterman – I used to love when DL did the "Stupid Pet Tricks"! I find the trick neither disgusting or gross! I love it!!!!! Bless both of your beloved Susie's!
Love this entire story, thanks for making me have a new appreciation for my name 🙂
06/04/2013 at 8:19 am
Nancy B what an awesome story. Like donchais, tears and laughter at the same time. And personally, with all the times that one dog in particular has gotten me in the mouth, I don't think there is a thing wrong sharing a slobbery ball. I would love to see you and Suzi on Letterman.
We all know how great you are from your posts, but you sound like you were an outstanding daughter, wife, and lover of kids, both furry and human. It takes a special kind of person to look after someone who has Alzheimer's but then again, it takes a special type of person to be a nurse 🙂
06/03/2013 at 10:17 pm
Oh Suzie Q …. Oh Suzie Q …. allakawayou walk …. allakawayou talk …. Suzie Q
Classic Credence Clearwater Revival !!!
06/04/2013 at 8:03 am
exactly what I was thinking when I asked her????? Are you in my head Janna 😯
06/03/2013 at 7:57 pm
Does anyone recall the reason Wobo couldn't come up with the "Travis Alexander's" t-shirt nor with the Spiderman and Travis underwear? I know many have speculated the t-shirt was from TA'a website. As for the Travis underwear, we know damn well she bought them to surprise him thinking she was being sexy amd cute. The Spiderman undies are questionable…wasn't there an email or text where both of them were discussing the Spiderman underwear??
06/03/2013 at 8:09 pm
Bailey, I seem to recall a reference to "Spidies" in a phone convo, which she later said referred to a young boy in the neighborhood…
06/03/2013 at 8:13 pm
Of course you've seen the Cameron Diaz photos in the Spidies…SHe was a movie buff…Obviously…she even quoted a rare line from a movie called "True Romance…" Better to have a gun and not need it, than need a gun and not have it. A Tarantino murder love story.
06/04/2013 at 12:55 am
I do believe on the phone sex tape Spider-Man was mentioned and travis said he didn't like Spider-Man. If memory serves a juror called her out on this and she lied that a young boy travis knew loved Spider-Man, hence his fascination with seeing her in the "spidies". If I have any of this ass backwards ( pun intended) feel free to correct!
06/03/2013 at 8:09 pm
Hi Bailey! Yes, the spideys were refered to in a text or email- but never seen by anyone that could verify their existence. And she claimed that she knew she had to throw away the "Travis Alexanders' " T and shorts before being arrested, that's why she said she wanted a photo of them…. It's all crapola. I think she made that set herself.
06/03/2013 at 10:15 pm
There have been so many ridiculous things the WOBO has done that I forgot about this one, Bailey! Didn't she claim, or maybe it was in la toilettes testimony, that Travis gave her the shirt and it was 'evidence' of the DV? I am POSITIVE that Jodi had the shirt made. Somewhere, at one of those companies that makes custom tees, is someone who made that shirt. I'm surprised that no one has come forward and said who ordered it. I'm also surprised that a forensic audit of Travis and Jodi's financial records wasn't done. If Jodi's bank statements were analyzed, maybe the stalking could be proven circumstancially, which could cast doubt on her mitigation of no prior criminal activity.
This is a question for one of the lawyers, can the prosecution introduce new evidence to the new jury in the 2nd penalty phase? I've never slashed a tire before, but I'm guessing it would take more than the average kitchen knife? What if she bought a machete the night before the tire slashing? What if she subscribed to a background check service and searched Mimi Hall and others?
06/04/2013 at 12:26 am
Hi Kristi !! I am also curious on what Juan can bring in next phase!
06/04/2013 at 12:51 am
Hi- Kristi and Moon, I want to know also… I have a bunch of Q's for my brother (if he ever calls me back, ugh!) I hope new evidence can come forth, because I REALLY want Juan to bring her post verdict Fox interview, as well as her multi network "media blitz" to be played for the new jury.
06/03/2013 at 8:00 pm
OK folks I'm outta here. My computer is taking ages to load after I post plus the repair shop still hasn't called me back. Guess I'm gonna have to open a can of whoop ass on them tomorrow. See ya'll tomorrow, the REAL Tuesday 😉
06/03/2013 at 8:04 pm
Nite MMD… See you soon. Get that naughty puter up n running!
06/03/2013 at 9:58 pm
For the kitty lovers and animal lovers … New judge makes statement prior to Arias retrial
BREAKING NEWS: Judge Stephens from #jodiarias trial unavailable 4 retrial. New Judge makes statement prior to retrial http://t.co/lLb3daElUY—
Todd S (@Todd_tweets2) May 29, 2013
06/04/2013 at 8:20 am
Now if only this cat was the judge, then we might REALLY get somewhere!!!!!
06/04/2013 at 12:32 am
I have a theory of why travis let wobo in to his house it goes back to wobo owing for the BMW she trashed she owed travis money and there was an account I believe she paid into I also believe she took money out of there travis was upset over this she did borrow 800.00 from Paul stern and she paid it back ..so on the trip she was worried about money but she had 800.00 wich got deposited into three accounts she then had a small amount of cash on hand and used credit cards for the rest of the trip .i believe she told him she was in town and would write him 2 checks to get current and had repaid the accounts with Paul's money knowing full well she was going to murder him and and pay Paul back . There are texts with him talking about balancing your checkbook and one where he went to the bank to find it was overdrawn ..this leads to another angle of premeditation she knew she could pay paul back and she did contact Flores asking about those checks that she knew were never going to be cashed and had dates previous to june 4th ..someone owes you money and calls you up before you leave on a trip and says I'm in the area and will pay you before you leave most people would say come on by ..does anyone have any thoughts on this?
06/04/2013 at 1:21 am
Hi Bubbles, that's horrible about your pal. I hope he didn't suffer. It's so hard for someone to know who to trust in his situation. I bet he saved a lot of lives and put his life on the line more times than I can imagine. Sorry.
06/04/2013 at 1:37 am
Family of Law :Hi- Kristi and Moon, I want to know also… I have a bunch of Q's for my brother (if he ever calls me back, ugh!) I hope new evidence can come forth, because I REALLY want Juan to bring her post verdict Fox interview, as well as her multi network "media blitz" to be played for the new jury.
hello!! i can't wait to hear what he tells ya!
I am off to the land of nod, for now!
have a good one!
06/04/2013 at 1:46 am
Been a while since I've been by. Summer with kidos is SO busy. I have to admit it was a much needed brake – I dont know how donchais gets through. Glad to see so many familiar faces still here!
I'll never get to catch up on all that I missed – the last two days will have to do 😦
* The letter from Lenna to the Alexanders …. Amazing and elegant !
* Day of Service in memory of Travis…. love it, got an idea too !
*Trial …. UG more delays , more tweets – ….. (fingers in ears) lalalalalala .
* Sounds like State is preparing (with options) to proceed with new Jury – yeah.
06/04/2013 at 5:22 am
[[[hey, i'm awake at a not happy hour….i.e. can't sleep….i have a completely inappropriate Monty Python youtube to post but i'm too sheepish now to do it….if you are interested in them silly people go search: Monty Python – And Now For Something Completely Different – Fruit Sketch. If you find it distasteful or rude or just plain un-bacon like, i did not post it here okay?!!! It wasn't me, i was in a fog thinking about reptilian brains and things….sue me]]]
06/04/2013 at 5:50 am
btw, Mom, you can put me in time-out anytime you need to. Just sayin' ok? Won't hurt my feelings a bit….no, i really mean it this time! I've grown stronger from this here sandbox like some others have. Thank you for that, kind moderator & others like her 🙂
06/04/2013 at 8:15 am
With Stabitha in solitary 23/7 do you think it's starting to make her go coo coo (just a little bit bc she still has time left for her celebrity court appearances before the key is thrown away)? If reality is starting to finally hit her (i know, i doubt it too) do you think this may change her? I mean change her enough in the way she can "possibly" use her manipulation and give her best performance yet in her "save my life" plea? I know it's Jodi here and chances are slim for this scenerio but play along for a second just to answer whether or not this could change the whole outcome…
Solitary hits her hard. Reality sets in. She is now in a panic realizing her curtain will be dropped soon. No more people, cameras, makeup, her bff Jen, Twitter, Donoman, etc..Just her, alone in a walk in closet 23 hours a day. Soooo,, with all this time she now has, she can use her sneaky, manipulating brain to write a speech begging for her life…remember, she knows this jury pool knows less about her as far as witnessing her pointless babble and lies she told to the jury's faces. No getting to know her for 18 days and being able to see right thru her. I know this can go both ways as far as the last jury knowing her better vs. this jury not really knowing her. I have read discussions on here pertaining to both scenarios being both positive and negative so who knows which way this will go. Anyways, back to her speech… she reads it to the next jury, tears, new slide show, different clubs to start bc now she most likely knows the prison already has the ones she presented last time, plus newly designed t-shirts for Syn 😉 etc. Perhaps even a "I'm sorry" to the Alexander's?
I know you are all hysterically laughing right now because realistically Jodes would never do any of this. I know she wouldn't either. However, pigs end up flying and this happens. Do you think this would def win the jury over? And a few questions-as always (sorry guys)..
#1. Will the Alexander's get to do VIS again? If so, do they read the same thing to this jury or can they change it up or add things to it if they want? Can they add more people?
#2. Can the DT now bring in people to speak for Jodi?
#3. Is Juan free to use the media blitz videos? Is there any other new things he can bring on this time?
06/04/2013 at 8:52 am
Hiya Bailey. 😀 Nope I don't think that she will change her attitude because I think that she is busy working on her appeal. She is going away either way. She will never give the Alexanders a sorry because in her mind, this is still all Travis' fault. I really do hope though that she is absolutely hating her current accommodations but she'll put herself into an alternate universe and maybe try and teach the walls Spanish sign language. 😆 As for your questions, off the top of my head but I'm only assuming since they do things differently in AZ and I'm not a legal eagle.
1. Yes. Sam and Steven do seem to be the spokespeople for the family and spend the most time in chambers or with JM.
2. Yes, if they can find any that are willing to be cross examined by JM
3. Yes, he can show that she still is a media whore and has no remorse. As for any other new things, ya need to talk to the legal eagles.
06/04/2013 at 9:14 am
Hahahahaha!! Teach the walls sign language and spanish. I love that!
06/04/2013 at 9:21 am
Difficult day for the Alexanders. They are in my prayers. As for the she-devil, I can picture her going over her testimony where she may have been tripped up and caught lying so she can "correct" these mistakes when she gives her new power point. I can see her gently pulling on her hair to lengthen it so she can have it cut for her next court appearance and say she just donated AGAIN to Locks of Love. In between practicing sign language, speaking Spanish to herself (in fact, I wonder if she won't try that in her next court appearance to endear herself to any Latinos who may be on the jury) and finally, I see her practicing her singing for her next contest. And having watched trials for years, I have never seen a defendant quite like her. I thought I detested C. Anthony, but she-devil, I totally and completely despise with every fiber of my being. It brings me back to the Alexander family, I cannot even fathom their feelings for almost 5 months being in close proximity to her.
06/04/2013 at 9:41 am
Ya know Jo, I have NEVER, EVER wished death on any person before I was introduced to JA and I thought CA was bad, but she's got nothing on this psycho. Can't ya just see her pulling her hair trying to make it longer 😆
As for her future (non) projects, well those will be tailored to the new jury. By the time she speaks she'll know them better than they know themselves and be able to hit on something for each one. I truly just wish that the Alexander family and friends would walk out when she stood up but they have far too much class.
06/04/2013 at 8:35 am
I woke up really early this morning all antsy thinking about Travis and 5 years ago. We really have no idea what happened during the very early morning onward as we only have her word, just that it was going to end horribly and he was going to suffer terribly. Just makes my heart hurt to think about it. 😦 If only you could turn back time.
06/04/2013 at 9:11 am
It's so very heartbreaking. In AZ it is 5:48am. Travis was most likely sound asleep right now while that psychopath lay beside him knowing it was the last time he would ever sleep in his bed again. Knowing the gun and knife were tucked away in her suitcase or purse. Knowing ot would be Napoleon's last day with his daddy. I bet he was sleeping peacefully dreaming about Cancun's blue waters and good times with his closest friends while Jodi lay there with her eyes wide open…going thru her gruesome plan in her mind. Knowing it was her last day ever with him. The last woman she would allow Travis to sleep next to and the last to have sex with. Her week long plan was finally coming to it's sad and horrific conclusion. So sure with herself and positive she would never get caught. Stupid, stupid Jodi, where was Einstein? Little did she know…it was also the beginning of the end for her life as well.
R.I.P. Travis Alexander. The fight for justice will prevail. Patience and strength is needed at this time but not forever. May the Alexander family be strong today knowing Travis has his loving arms wrapped around them. He is holding them up now…giving them the glue he had always provided them with during his time here on earth with them. He may not be there with them physically, bur there is no doubt he is there in spirit and love.
06/04/2013 at 9:35 am
Bailey good :
Rest In Peace Travis Alexander. The fight for justice will prevail. Patience and strength is needed at this time but not forever. May the Alexander family be strong today knowing Travis has his loving arms wrapped around them. He is holding them up now…giving them the glue he had always provided them with during his time here on earth with them. He may not be there with them physically, bur there is no doubt he is there in spirit and love.
What a truly beautiful post Bailey. Just lovely and brought a tear to my eye. I hope that the Alexander family is all together today and able to feel his spirit.
06/04/2013 at 12:19 pm
So well said Bailey…. Thank you!
06/04/2013 at 12:21 pm
Morning MMD, same here….
06/04/2013 at 10:00 am
Family of Law :
Hi- Kristi and Moon, I want to know also… I have a bunch of Q's for my brother (if he ever calls me back, ugh!) I hope new evidence can come forth, because I REALLY want Juan to bring her post verdict Fox interview, as well as her multi network "media blitz" to be played for the new jury.
Yes, looking forward to hearing what he says.
06/04/2013 at 10:14 am
Morning Kristi 😀
06/04/2013 at 10:31 am
Good morning MMD!
06/04/2013 at 10:22 am
Wow, the 5 year anniversary of Travis Alexander's slaughter. I can't help but wish that he had called somebody–anybody–to let them know that Wobo had showed up at his house–in her presence, of course. Maybe this whole tragedy could have been avoided. I hope his friends & family continue to lean on each other through this. That's the only way my murdered friend's family and us friends got through the murder, investigation, and trial. On a fun note, I got a 7 week-old rescue gray tabby kitten last Friday to be a friend for my 1 year-old brown tabby rescue, Sammy. It's worked out exactly as I'd hoped with the kitten, named Otis because he goes up and down the cat tree like an elevator, because he & Sammy have become fast friends. I was awakened at 6:00 this morning by a kitty stampede on my head, with Sammy in the lead. Now my 18 year-old grouch of a gray & white Maine Coon clone can nap in peace without Sammy trying to play with him and get slapped for her trouble, LOL. I love kittehs!
06/04/2013 at 10:35 am
Hi catbyte – I was wondering how your weekend went now that you have 3. It sounds like everything went splendidly. 🙂 As I told you before I did the same with my dogs but the one thing I've discovered is that as long as it's only 2 of them things are fine – doesn't matter which 2 but when the 3rd one gets involved, lookout!!!!!!!!!! Chaos but fun chaos. You'll probably discover the same thing. 😀 Sammy will still try to play and still will get slapped for her trouble but they all work it out. 🙂
06/04/2013 at 10:50 am
Cranky Nigel is slapping everybody–even me, LOL. He was sleeping on my lap last night when I began to pet him. He must have thought it was Otis or Sammy, because he lifted his head, hauled off and cuffed my hand but good–no claws, though. I exclaimed, "Nigel! Why?" and he looked a little sheepish, took a bath as all embarrassed cats do, then went back to sleep. Otis & Sammy then engaged in a spirited game of chase. What breed of dogs do you have? Heinz 57?
06/04/2013 at 10:59 am
Oh that's too funny that you got swatted as well. LoL I have 3 shih tzu, 2 girls and a boy. The boy, who is the baby is very, very spoiled due to the trial and has very limited bed privileges and I share my bed with the oldest girl who will be 14 this week. Needless to say, I now have these 2 next to me at any given time. The middle girl, well, she totally owns downstairs and I refer to it as her condo. As I said, any 2 is perfectly nice and quiet, throw in the 3rd and hell breaks loose!!!!! Wouldn't take any of them for the world!!!!!!! 😀
06/04/2013 at 11:01 am
duh 🙄 wouldn't TRADE any
06/04/2013 at 1:06 pm
Oh, shih tsus are adorable. Have you seen the movie "Best in Show"? It's a comedy by Christopher Guest about a fake dog show and it's hilarious. It was on TV last night. If you haven't seen it, check it out.
06/04/2013 at 1:47 pm
No I haven't but my shih tzu are not frou frou dogs with ponytails on the top of their head or anything. I keep them really short and they've already had one summer buzz cut.
06/04/2013 at 2:44 pm
Actually, MMD, all the shih tsus I've known during my life have been really "butch"–not a curl or lily-livered bow in sight. They wouldn't have stood for that and it sounds like yours wouldn't either. Beware, though, the shih tsus in Best in Show are a little frou frou, LOL.
06/04/2013 at 6:35 pm
I love love love his name! Otis!!! You truly get what the large community of all of Travis "best friends" are going through, I know. So glad you are here.
06/04/2013 at 11:06 am
Donchais – what time will George Thomas be sentenced today?????
06/04/2013 at 11:59 am
Hi everyone! Been a while since I posted, but been lurking and trying to catch up. Yes, today makes the 5th year Travis has been gone..This morning when I started mowing my lawn, I looked at the time, and it was 8:35 my time, 6:35 AZ time, and was thinking the same as someone up above about him probably sleeping peacefully next to the psycho…. But then I thought one thing that crossed my mind that fateful day….Didn't one of his roomates mention he saw Travis and Travis had told him he only got 45 minutes of sleep? Maybe I'm wrong about the day, but, just a thought. I don't believe they had sex that day….I don't know why, but I truly don't…. I think they spent a lot of time talking, (or SHE did) maybe trying to convince him to change his mind about the Cancun trip. Maybe about the money she owed him, or whatever. We will never know, but I DO agree with others on here that they did NOT have as much sex as WOBO claims…That is why there are so many test messages……They we apart more then together I believe…. So sad no one will EVER know the entire truth…This biatch will take it to her grave never giving a second thought about it….anyway helooooo everyone, and just thought I'd touch base… Have a candle burning, and I hope the Alexanders are holding up strong with Travis wrapping them up in his arms!! Justice will come soon…. OH!!! One question……If she gets LWOP, does she still get to appeal??? Thanks….
06/04/2013 at 2:06 pm
I believe AZ law is the same as CA in regards to appeals if the sentence is LWOP. She can appeal but she will have to foot the bill for her defense and expenses, such as the experts, depositions, etc. If she gets DP, then she gets one taxpayer funded appeal, then any subsequent appeals are on her dime.
06/04/2013 at 2:11 pm
Oh goodie Kristi!!! I don't want her to cost the AZ taxpayers any more than necessary! Although you know how she does her sexual voodoo, she could probably talk some sucker attorney into working for her pro bono 😦
06/04/2013 at 12:04 pm
Captain bubbles, I'm truly sorry about your friend. Words can never ease the pain, but know you are in our hearts and prayers, and hope you feel blessed to have know someone that special.. Thanks to all who have served our country……here is a big Texan hug for you {{{{HUG}}}}
06/04/2013 at 12:16 pm
Good Morning all 🙂
06/04/2013 at 1:20 pm
Sorry Donchais! OT… Anyone catch what the question was the Mr. Newsom asked of George Thomas? My linked went out at that exact moment!
06/04/2013 at 1:26 pm
hi everyone….
Many thoughts and prayers reaching out to the Alexander's on this 5th anniversary.
06/04/2013 at 1:32 pm
Hi Moon! Ditto!
I'll be lighting a candle tonight at 5:30 and I have a blue balloon I'll be releasing as well!
06/04/2013 at 1:35 pm
I have the candle for 530 but sadly no balloon
06/04/2013 at 1:44 pm
I meant I have a candle to burn at 5:30…. Nice touch with the balloon Nienna!
06/04/2013 at 1:47 pm
Thanks! Can't say it was my idea though. Someone posted about letting off lanterns today… I'm not that high tech 🙂 So I just picked up a balloon.
06/04/2013 at 1:48 pm
My husband thinks I'm crazy. Got it Sunday and have been talking to it, calling it Travis and telling him to hang in there til today so that I can let it go.
06/04/2013 at 1:52 pm
Well someone else's idea maybe, but you are going to carry it through!! Not crazy at all! I would probably talk to it too!!! (shh, just don't tell anyone or they will put us in a looney bin!)
06/04/2013 at 2:07 pm
🙂 It's a blue star balloon to boot! I'll try to upload a pic of it going to the heavens!
06/04/2013 at 2:12 pm
Nienna – tell your hubbs that you are only showing respect and to get on board!!!!!
06/04/2013 at 1:49 pm
I am just beside myself on how long it took this murder to get to trial! Now am just as shocked that the trial took so damn long, and STILL isn't over with! This is a f'n joke of a trial! I wish someone could put a match under this judge, and make her streamline the penalty phase!! The DT and this monster have wasted enough time!!!
06/04/2013 at 1:53 pm
Janet darlin' don't hold back – tell us how ya really feel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😛
06/04/2013 at 1:56 pm
I won't trust me! I don't vent too awful much, but when I do, I do! 🙂 I'm just so sick of WOBO, and want this over and done with!!!! So she can sit and ROT no matter what she gets…
06/04/2013 at 1:52 pm
Hi Janet, FOL, Nienna, Moon ********waves******* dp said hi to you above 😀 I'm going to have my candle ready to go at 5:30 tonight. If only Travis had any idea of how many lives he would touch during his lifetime and beyond!!!
06/04/2013 at 1:57 pm
He knows now 🙂
06/04/2013 at 1:58 pm
I want to believe he is is smiling down from heaven.
06/04/2013 at 2:03 pm
Hi MOON!!!!!! {{waves}} Nienna, and dpforjodi if you all are still here!! Missed you guys!!! Yes, moon, I want to believe that too! I'm sure he's smiling from heaven!!!!!
06/04/2013 at 1:59 pm
06/04/2013 at 1:55 pm
HI MMD!!!!! (my mothers daughter!!!) I love that btw!! Yes, if only he knew!!! MMD, could you please get with donchais to shoot me an e-mail with your e-mai? I would love to stay in touch with you off the site as well? I won't bug you, or harrass you in any way…I just feel a certain closeness to you and can tell you anything.. If not, that's o.k. just thought I'd ask….
06/04/2013 at 1:58 pm
I thought I already agreed ages ago but I might have to rescind that since you haven't cleaned my eaves yet 😦
Donchais when you get a chance would you mind please giving Janet my email addy please and thank you!!!! Would be much appreciated!
06/04/2013 at 2:01 pm
I knew I asked ages ago, just never noticed a response. Could be "too many comments" to catch up and missed it! Thank you sooooo much! Don't recind 😯 I'll get those clean as soon as Anna gets there to help your computer. 😉
06/04/2013 at 2:06 pm
Just got off the phone with the guy who owns the computer store I use. We were talking about the JA case – the only other person around here who even has heard of it. Anyway, after really giving me a hard time for not calling me back, my computer is going in tomorrow for another new cord, they've ordered me a new battery, and I've ordered another laptop as well. I never want to be without my 4th child EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
06/04/2013 at 2:05 pm
FOL are you still around??? If JA gets LWOP will she be able to appeal???
06/04/2013 at 2:07 pm
***hugs to you, janeto***
06/04/2013 at 2:10 pm
You too Moonbaby! Gosh I sure wish Anna would find that island for us to live on! 😀
06/04/2013 at 2:09 pm
She can appeal a LWOP sentence.
06/04/2013 at 2:11 pm
Well CRAP!!! I was thinking (rather hoping) she wouldn't get to. She wold have to pay for it though right???? Not a freebie??
06/04/2013 at 2:15 pm
I believe she has to pay for it. Unless she finds someone to do it pro bono. However, should she get the death penalty she gets an automatic appeal, I believe this would be paid by the state due to her indigency.
06/04/2013 at 2:06 pm
Hi Janeto!
06/04/2013 at 2:09 pm
Hi Nienna!! Sure have enjoyed your posts too. 😳 sorry I meant to say a while ago! Just so many peeps on here! 😆
06/04/2013 at 2:10 pm
No prob 🙂 Things getting going so quick sometimes.
06/04/2013 at 2:10 pm
Janeto, I enjoy your post too! And everyone else's 🙂
06/04/2013 at 2:12 pm
Here comes the verdict on GT…
06/04/2013 at 2:14 pm
livestream link anyone?????????
06/04/2013 at 2:17 pm
Just got two life sentences and an additional 25 and going…
06/04/2013 at 2:17 pm
06/04/2013 at 2:13 pm
Gosh! Everyone on here makes me laugh and cry most times…The sense of humor is incredible!!! I wish I were that quick witted. I have my moments, but short ones. 🙄
06/04/2013 at 2:13 pm
BTW… Remember you're time zones for the 5:30 candle lighting!
06/04/2013 at 2:15 pm
I thought we were supposed to do it at 5:30 pm in our own time zones?????
06/04/2013 at 2:18 pm
I'm doing his time zone. 8:30 my time (EST). I believe 9:30 your time?
06/04/2013 at 2:19 pm
Well, AZ time in my book….but either way, as long as we remember! 😀
06/04/2013 at 2:26 pm
Yep it will be 9:30 my time.
06/04/2013 at 2:17 pm
😉 gotcha! Thanks for the reminder!
06/04/2013 at 2:16 pm
Nienna – tell your hubbs that you are only showing respect and to get on board!!!!!
He knows!
06/04/2013 at 2:16 pm
hugsssssss Nienna!! Looking forward to that pic! wtg
06/04/2013 at 2:16 pm
Hi Kristi!! {{{waves}}} I didn't scroll up to see that you answered my question. 😳 Thank you!!!
06/04/2013 at 2:19 pm
janeto :
Gosh! Everyone on here makes me laugh and cry most times…The sense of humor is incredible!!! I wish I were that quick witted. I have my moments, but short ones.
Short and sweet! You have good ones!
06/04/2013 at 2:22 pm
thanks. 🙂
06/04/2013 at 2:25 pm
Thanks for the link Nienna
How long is life in Kentucky and why concurrent????????? and what is the extra 25 for???? I got on too late.
06/04/2013 at 2:31 pm
Hopefully natural life… I'll go digging. Not sure why the judge choose to go with concurrent. Extra 25 was for cruelty, I believe.
06/04/2013 at 2:28 pm
Crying AGAIN!
06/04/2013 at 2:35 pm
Thank you Nienna, crying as well.
06/04/2013 at 4:04 pm
Nienna, this is so beautiful! Crying because he just never could have imagined the full extent of her true EVIL. Breaks my heart.
06/04/2013 at 3:57 pm
What a wonderful tribute.
Soar on Travis, you are now a part of us all.
06/04/2013 at 5:17 pm
WTH? I was able to zip by and check in, catch up and then I get to this video. Bam! I'm a wreck now. Everything comes rushing back. Middle of the day and I'm all bleary eyed now! Dang! Kudos to the artistry of the edited piece. Every emotion is earned in that one. Just enough to know what he was, and his family is, about. Just enough information to fill one in.
His grandad said he was "special" and that certainly shows through. His grandma gave them all a key to happiness and they grabbed it and ran with it. Good for all of them.
Also, bravo that there is NO pic of wobo or her clan!!! Yeah. She;s just an "ex". Yeah!!!
Ok. a 'cry and run' for me on this…. Be well all…. Justice for Travis. Additionally, I hope for a more imaginative involvement in the plight of the victims of crime from myself and others. That might be the best tribute to him.
06/04/2013 at 6:15 pm
Oh YES Robert I'm 100% in on that thought of yours.
06/04/2013 at 7:26 pm
Nienna, what a beautiful tribute for such a beautiful soul, bought tears to my eyes. May Travis rest in peace. We continue our fight to bring justice to him.
06/04/2013 at 2:39 pm
WOW! great video Nienna! I can't see my screen through the tears!!
06/04/2013 at 2:42 pm
OMG!! beautiful song to boot!!!! Couldn't add that in the first time… 😥
06/04/2013 at 2:42 pm
Correction to my earlier post… I must have heard incorrectly!
Kyle Grainger WVLT@KyleGrainger39s
WVLT Alert:
George Thomas sentenced to 2 consecutive life terms plus 25 years
06/04/2013 at 2:46 pm
karen @starknightz3h
Please Click on a Candle that is not burning to light one for Travis Alexander this June 4 2013 – GROUP *TVA* Candles
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=TVA …
06/04/2013 at 2:51 pm
Thank you Nienna!!!! I loved and signed this!!!!!!!!!! Muahhhh!!!
06/04/2013 at 3:12 pm
Thank you Nienna – signed, left a message and light a candle. What a great site!!!
06/04/2013 at 3:22 pm
Done. (hope you're happy nienna, you've got me choked up with this)
06/04/2013 at 3:29 pm
HIya Beans – it's that kind of day!!!! 😥
06/04/2013 at 3:28 pm
Nienna that site now has 210 candles lit from 5 countries.
06/04/2013 at 3:41 pm
another candle burning bright for Travis
06/04/2013 at 5:58 pm
I love this! Many thanks for posting, Nienna.
06/04/2013 at 7:27 pm
I signed and lit a candle for him. Thank you Nienna for the link.
06/04/2013 at 2:46 pm
Well all, I took this week off so I could repair and paint my siding on my house. If I sit here any longer, I'll not get to it! Besides, right now it's shady in that 30′ high X 40′ area, and it's gonna get to 95 today…so, guess I'll go for now! Enjoyed it, and will be back tonight, but only AFTER my watching the Womens College World Series game…. I'll be sure to light my candle at 7:30 CST!!! Love you guys!!!
06/04/2013 at 2:51 pm
((((WAVES)))) Bye Janeto!
06/04/2013 at 2:47 pm
Ok according to donchais on her next post it's life + life + 25 + 25
06/04/2013 at 2:48 pm
Thanks for clarifying! I was trying to multitask and clearly didn't do that well 😦
06/04/2013 at 2:48 pm
facebook.com/Justice4Travis… 5 YEARS AGO TODAY, 6/4/2008, Travis Alexander was brutally murdered: Bro Stephen message http://t.co/ImgCGnwF2Y—
karen (@starknightz) June 04, 2013
06/04/2013 at 2:53 pm
Damn!! Can't go just yet!!! You posted all these, and now I gotta see them!!!!
06/04/2013 at 2:55 pm
06/04/2013 at 3:06 pm
I love the way Steven writes. You can feel every emotion that he is going through and my heart aches for the entire family.
06/04/2013 at 3:32 pm
ohhh Nienna,
As tears stream, I ty for sharing.
Love to Steven, he was lucky to have you too!
We will wait with you and watch that hour glass!
*******Justice for Travis*******
06/04/2013 at 2:52 pm
The bro of high profile murderer #JodiArias admitted why she recorded her phone conversation with #TravisAlexander. http://t.co/rRNWXxvUaC—
Chris Hughes (@cshughes) June 01, 2013
06/04/2013 at 2:54 pm
Go figure!!!! We KNEW THAT though didn't we??? The biatch must get DP!!!!!!!
06/04/2013 at 2:56 pm
We knew it. Wonder if it's for real? Guess there's no point in him holding back now that she's got M1.
06/04/2013 at 3:03 pm
I somehow doubt that for real. First of all JA and the truth are not acquainted and I would highly doubt that she would tell her kid brother why she recorded the conversations. This is the pothead kid who may or may not be looking for his 15 minutes. imo
06/04/2013 at 3:04 pm
She probably won't even admit to herself why she recorded them!!!! 😦
06/04/2013 at 3:31 pm
Stabby's thinking 'what brother?' I thought I took care of him with the bat years ago.
06/04/2013 at 4:32 pm
Exactly Beans!!!!
06/06/2013 at 5:16 pm
Maybe Jodi didn't tell Joey this, perhaps this is his point of view as to why she did it??
06/04/2013 at 5:09 pm
Yes Nienna. So glad that Chris is tweeting this info that Chris Stark revealed many moons ago. He began following her around the end of April and he contacted her. I took that as a very positive sign when I saw that happen. One thing is crystal clear – Travis not only had an amazing loving family but he had so many true blue real friends!
06/04/2013 at 2:57 pm
Later guys!! {{{waves bye bye}}}
06/04/2013 at 3:00 pm
By Janet *****waves******
06/04/2013 at 3:44 pm
MMD, Hiya Toots, ( an old term of endearment in my family) are you coping today?
06/04/2013 at 3:49 pm
A little sad today darlin'. People keep putting up these awesome links and the tears keep streaming. BTW, I used to call people Toots or Toodles as a term of endearment as well.
06/04/2013 at 3:46 pm
Well I just had to stop reading the messages on the candles that are lit at the link Nienna posted. I've been in tears all day. What a wonderful site and idea. 😥
06/04/2013 at 3:52 pm
Well damn I'm getting that server maintenance message again from WP and had to open a new tab. Anybody else???
06/04/2013 at 3:56 pm
Beans darlin' since UPS has already been here today and I still don't have your son, the computer whiz, my laptop is going back to the shop tomorrow for yet another new cord, this one longer. They ordered me a new battery and are giving me a cooling pad because I gave him such a hard time for not calling me back, plus I ordered another laptop. Gotta have a backup since I don't have a smartphone,
06/04/2013 at 4:05 pm
huh, i figured he must have been with you 'cause he didn't show up here for a scheduled maintenance call. i guess he stood us both up, the little ingrate.and yeah, weather-wise, it's so cold my igloo stopped melting.
06/04/2013 at 4:19 pm
Cooling pad is a good thing but I have not had much success with them lasting very long. Make sure to update me in a few months to let me know how yours is doing.
06/04/2013 at 4:25 pm
Will do, have never had one before so don't know anything about them.
06/04/2013 at 4:01 pm
Another tribute that I think we've seen before but it's another good on.
06/04/2013 at 4:21 pm
Thanks Nancy, that was beautiful. Does anyone know who did the first song? – sounded like Neil Diamond to me 'Somewhere Over The Rainbow' was Brother Iz, always loved his version.
06/04/2013 at 4:34 pm
It is Neil Diamond. Believe that Neil Diamond is Travis's favorite singer.
06/04/2013 at 4:37 pm
I think this is Travis' friend playing? i would say not neil diamond.
06/04/2013 at 4:43 pm
sounded like an 'unplugged' neil, if it was someone else they did a hellava job. no matter, it was good.
06/04/2013 at 7:40 pm
Me too, Beans, Iz's version. 1st song is Neil Diamond for sure. The last 2 pics of Travis on this tribute video are magnificent! The one with him & Chris & then the final one of him.
06/04/2013 at 4:23 pm
Oh Nancy this is just the day for tears isn't it. I so wish he had married Deanna, they always looked so happy. One thing you can say for TA, he certainly lived his short life to the absolute fullest.
06/04/2013 at 4:31 pm
Thank you NancyB!
06/04/2013 at 4:30 pm
OK I have my candle lit and on the window sill. I have another one for 5:30 AZ time.
Justice for Travis
06/04/2013 at 4:45 pm
I just found a candle from Germany on the light a candle site. I found one from Oz earlier.
06/04/2013 at 4:57 pm
several from Canada, too! 🙂
06/04/2013 at 4:48 pm
Beans :sounded like an 'unplugged' neil, if it was someone else they did a hellava job. no matter, it was good.
yes indeed.
love that last song too….. all of them
06/04/2013 at 4:53 pm
ahhh yes indeed, neil diamond. i totally missed that .
06/04/2013 at 5:21 pm
listening to it again, I hear John Prine too. c'mon, somebody, help me out here.
06/04/2013 at 5:20 pm
Where is our dear Syn today? I hope she hasn't disappeared again!!!!!!!!! 😦
06/04/2013 at 6:07 pm
Ditto that, MMD. Syn come back, the sandbox is warm, friendly and very supportive. 🙂
06/04/2013 at 6:25 pm
Syn!! The sand feels great on my bare feet and all the sandboxers are friendly & supportive so please drop by. 🙂
By the way, where has HJ gone to???
06/04/2013 at 5:20 pm
And Robert???????
06/04/2013 at 6:29 pm
Robert, posted a comment MMD , upstairs that's currently #198!
06/04/2013 at 8:06 pm
Thanks Nancy, found it. 🙂
06/04/2013 at 5:42 pm
Watched the video that Nancy posted for the third time and it hits home again, Travis is dead and JA is alive to run all her games – where's the justice in that?
06/04/2013 at 6:12 pm
There isn't any darlin' but her time will come. You can count on that!!!! Plus have a little faith and remember we have our secret weapon, JM!
06/04/2013 at 5:51 pm
Someone help me! I am either a just to tired from work or just can't figure this out. If I live in a mountain time zone and it is 5:30 in Arizona, what time is it where I live? I sound like a math teacher don't I. Don't judge my small town simple mind please, it's late in the day and I have been at it for hours. 😉
06/04/2013 at 6:09 pm
06/04/2013 at 6:10 pm
sorry 6:30 if you are on DST
06/04/2013 at 6:21 pm
Ahh thank ya, You is smart!!! 🙂 I thought it was at 6:30 but I wanted to be sure.
06/04/2013 at 6:24 pm
I am in CO, and becase AZ doesn't observe DST, it's an hour ahead here.
06/04/2013 at 6:10 pm
Hi Stephanie!
The difference is one hour
8pm pacific is 9pm mountain
06/04/2013 at 6:19 pm
ahhh mmd you holding back on us???
there is a link upstairs for timeline photos… if you haven't had a chance to glimpse thru these,… well they are great!
Juan Martinez vs. the FOG – The Voice for Travis Alexander
JUNE 13, 2013 is Juan Martinez' Birthday:
If you'd want to send your own card/wishes here is the address:
301 W Jefferson St,
Phoenix, AZ 85003
06/04/2013 at 7:27 pm
I figured that I would tell him in person since his birthday is the 13th and mine is the 18th so we'll be celebrating somewhere in between 😀
06/04/2013 at 6:22 pm
the link for those timeline photos… and thanks to the original poster of this, here at CFJ!!!
06/04/2013 at 7:54 pm
Personally I'm kind of partial to this HS yearbook photo
And the one from his days of being a track star
Although his best look is this
Not that I'm biased or anything 😳
06/04/2013 at 7:55 pm
sorry donchais going to the naughty corner right now
➡ ➡ ➡ ➡ 😦
06/04/2013 at 9:36 pm
LOL not at all!! 😉
06/04/2013 at 6:27 pm
On this special day of remembrance & teardrops … I'm thankful for the hidden blessings of this unique sandbox …. thankful for the intangible gifts that Donchais has brought into my life …. and to all the extraordinary boxers whose messages and stories have touched my heart, buckets of gratitude from me to YOU. I'm grateful that Travis Alexander has bonded us together.
06/04/2013 at 6:33 pm
Janna – your comments are very special and like a breath of fresh air! You have summed up my sentiments too!
06/04/2013 at 6:39 pm
Back at YOU Janna.
06/04/2013 at 7:43 pm
Janna I totally agree. You have such a beautiful way with words and we'll all be forever bonded because of Travis Alexander and Donchais.
06/04/2013 at 6:39 pm
I keep thinking about the unbelievable number of people that have been on all the HLN shows throughout the last 6 months that all consider Travis to be one of "their" best friends!!! It's a huge number. That in itself says it all about who Travis was! It makes me smile – big smile! Travis had sooo many people that called him one of their best friends. What a wonderful and unintended tribute to him. 🙂
06/04/2013 at 8:42 pm
Nancy that is one of the things that I noticed today with all the tribute and memorial videos I watched. Although Chris and his twin brothers seem to pop up quite frequently, it seems like he had an endless supply of both male and female friends as well as a loving family. It seems like his lust for life was simply contagious to all those around him. He was a fine, fine, young man!!!
06/04/2013 at 6:57 pm
06/04/2013 at 7:13 pm
Oh goodie Kristi!!! I don't want her to cost the AZ taxpayers any more than necessary! Although you know how she does her sexual voodoo, she could probably talk some sucker attorney into working for her pro bono
OMG, yes, it's a great new program she can start in prison to ya know, help people. It's called Pro-Boner legal exchange. Jodi will teach prisoners how to blow their lawyers in exchange for legal services.
06/04/2013 at 7:29 pm
OMG Kristi that is so hilarious and sadly, probably exactly what will happen 🙄
06/04/2013 at 7:31 pm
I wonder if she'll include that with her "presentation" to the new jury??????????????? ROFL have a serious case of the giggles now 😀
06/05/2013 at 1:58 am
06/05/2013 at 9:49 am
Too funny, thanks Kristi.
06/06/2013 at 5:39 pm
HAHAHAHA!!! That was perfect-o! Thanks for the laugh and the ice tea sprayed all over my kindle.screen from the burst of laughter!
06/04/2013 at 7:30 pm
Hey all. @ Nancy B, wanted to say hey, am going upstairs to read your post…will be back in moments.
06/04/2013 at 8:02 pm
Hi Bubbles nice to see you at the sandbox. I am curious about your book.
06/04/2013 at 8:35 pm
In re: book, Waiting to hear word from a proofreader. Remind me in a few days. Please.
06/04/2013 at 7:43 pm
Chrissie, Sorry for the typos upstairs. This IPad drives me crazy.
06/04/2013 at 7:57 pm
@Nancy B…yep, to a frigging T. Total and complete.
06/04/2013 at 8:11 pm
06/04/2013 at 8:22 pm
GImme a freakin break!!!!!! Now Gidget and Wurmi are trying to say JA is mentally ill. Like JA is ever going to go for that. Here is their quote from the above link (although bear in mind it IS a MK article)
"If the diagnosis made by the State's psychologist is correct, the Maricopa County Attorney's Office is seeking to impose the death penalty upon a mentally ill woman who has no prior criminal history," they wrote. "Despite Mr. Montgomery's recent statements to the media, it is not incumbent upon Ms. Arias' defense counsel to resolve this case. Instead, the choice to end this case sits squarely with Mr. Montgomery and his office.
"It is solely for them to determine if continuing to pursue a death sentence upon Ms. Arias, who is already facing a mandatory life sentence, is a good and proper use of taxpayer resources.
06/04/2013 at 8:45 pm
How "ironic" that this comes out on the 5th anniversary of Travis' brutal murder. Call me very cynical but I do not think this was a coincidence.
06/04/2013 at 8:26 pm
I just read this….these two are a piece of work delivering this today of all days….they have zero respect and are as despicable as the evil they represent! SCUM
06/04/2013 at 8:48 pm
And of course it was planned this way with that hack reporter MK who is such a buddy to the defense. Yuck! They couldn't even let the Alexanders have one, just one day!!!!!!!! 👿
06/04/2013 at 8:44 pm
They won't get anywhere with that. Borderline Personality Disorder might explain some of her actions before and after the murder, but a personality disorder does not rise to the level of a mental illness that would mitigate the killing because she was not psychotic and still knew right and wrong when she planned and killed TA. Actually, there are tons of serial killers on death row diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder and that didn't work for them either.
06/04/2013 at 9:31 pm
I actually focused on the last part of this article. It wasn't clear to me before and why there was an 'interpretation' dispute between JM and JW but she doesn't ever qualify for 'parole' – I think I saw somewhere that someone said something related to the discrepancy being there is no parole board in AZ but it's actually based on when the crime was committed. Regardless, perhaps other sandboxers understood this but this makes me much happier on the 'worst case' scenario.
06/04/2013 at 8:21 pm
MMD :Hey Laine – good to see you {{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} It's a day for both I think.
Hey MMD I hope you are well and those migraines are staying away!
06/04/2013 at 8:23 pm
Very well thank you. Only problems are with my computer but hopefully they will be resolved tomorrow 😀
06/04/2013 at 8:24 pm
OK folks almost time to light your candles if you are doing it for 5:30 AZ time.
Justice for Travis
06/04/2013 at 8:47 pm
Lit my candle – it will burn for 24 hours.
06/04/2013 at 8:29 pm
It makes me incredibly sick and so so sad when i watch Sam amd Steven's VIS and to think that foreman took Wobo's side. How? How could he? How could any of them think her mitigating factors won out?? Doesn't make sense..must have been that phenomenal t-shirt fashion design. She's def a Versace in the making! (Eye roll)
06/04/2013 at 8:31 pm
Just heard on Nazi Grace that the DT tried to reverse the ruling that the killing was cruel and depraved and that the death penalty should be taken off the table. After the hung jury was declared the AZ supreme court refused to overturn the verdict…do I have that right?
Also that a "secret plea deal" is being worked on; life with parole in 20. Bullshit. The media just has nothing to report…
06/04/2013 at 8:50 pm
I don't see the family or JM going for LWP, possibly LWOP, which would be fine with me (let her rot in an Arizona prison forever with any appeal on her tab). And if JM's boss pushes for a deal to avoid the cost of a retrial for AZ, I don't think he would agree to parole because he has seen the huge media attention this case has garnered. He is an elected official, right?
06/04/2013 at 8:58 pm
Bubble here's the petition the defense filed. They claim in this petition that perjurious testimony was delivered by the prosecution. It's 30 pages of BS!
06/04/2013 at 9:34 pm
There is noooo wayyy in hell that Juan and the Alexander's will pull it of the table!! If it's up to them they will fight tooth and nail. Now, someone mentioned something about it not being up to Juan..that it ultimately comes down to someone else but i didn't hear who. Something about someone above Juan…anyone know about this??
06/04/2013 at 9:36 pm
am I the only one who took positive from Al's post above, where it explains that wobo is not eligible for parole period? life vs natural life in prison is only different if the governor lets her out, which would be political suicide.
06/04/2013 at 8:31 pm
Last week we mourned a death in our family, today we celebrate my grandson's first birthday. Yes indeed, "life goes on".
06/04/2013 at 9:22 pm
Hi mysillybone! Sorry for the loss of the family member but nice that it is balanced out with 1st Bday of grandson. Did you get to celebrate with him in person? If so, that must have been great fun.
06/04/2013 at 8:36 pm
Beth Karas reminding us on HLN that a new trial may take months. And may involve the frigging sex tape…Ugh.
06/04/2013 at 9:37 pm
you see that she announced today was her last day?
06/04/2013 at 8:42 pm
Also that a retrial would not bode well for Arias regarding the death penalty.
06/04/2013 at 8:45 pm
Here is a Travis tribute, not long, but moving because it shows the last picture taken with Samantha and his beloved grandmother. This is courtesy of Bryon Wilson
06/04/2013 at 8:57 pm
A very sad day today, but it helps to focus on Travis's life and the legacy he has left behind, touching so many lives. We have all seen how he touched his friends and family while he was alive — but think about all the people, like all of us on this blog, who have been uplifted just sharing in the story of his life. I'm sure he is smiling that great smile from up above.
06/04/2013 at 9:22 pm
MMD more you see him more we hate Wobo for ending such a beautiful life. I lit my candle and asked God to watch over him.
06/04/2013 at 11:41 pm
I love that grandma. Lots of resemblance between her and Tanisha. Thanks for sharing this.
06/04/2013 at 9:02 pm
OK folks I'm out as well because I was awake way before the sun today. May the Alexanders and Travis' friends feels all the love, prayers and caring from all of us around the world and know how he has brought so many people together all seeking
Justice for Travis
{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} to all. See ya after I get my computer back tomorrow.
06/04/2013 at 9:26 pm
Is anyone watching Dr. Drew?? What does that statement by Nurmi mean? For those who didn't see it, Nurmi made a statement saying this:
" If the diagnosis made by the state's psychologist is correct, the Maricopa County attorney's office is seeking to impose the death penalty upon a mentally ill woman who has no prior criminal history."
I KNEW this was going to happen!!! With all the time they now have, they can look into other strategies and make this whole phase fall apart!! The DT fought and fought to prove Dr. Demarte wrong and now they are using her words and diagnosis for their benefit. I'm sorry to say this but in my opinion, she's not getting the DP. We lost the one chance we had but look what went down. I won't beat a dead horse but you all know what i mean. This is really turning into a mess. My earlier post may come true for all we know. At this point, nothing will surprise me!
THEN, I can see them sticking to the mentally ill claim and play that card-the DT will now be able to put the mom on the stand and play the interrogation videos of her saying Jodi needs help and how friends called her worried about Jodi, blah blah blah….use them as proof which might make Juans cross exam less helpful to the state's case. Please please tell me I'm wrong!!! Tell me I'm crazy and she can still get the DP! Lie to me if you have to lol.
06/04/2013 at 9:48 pm
it's taken a bit out of context. see this article that Al had posted above. http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/20130604arias-lawyers-respond-to-montgomery.html
06/04/2013 at 10:44 pm
My concern is that the psychologist will diagnosis her clinically mentally ill which may have an effect on the jurors. They may feel sorry for her or feel it may have been a factor in the murder. Some on the jury may have mental illness in the family or work in the field. One night the talking heads were discussing BPD, depression and anxiety. They were saying that seeking the death penalty on a mentally ill person may be a huge issue but a positive one for the defense. This is why I'm in panic mode. If they use this along w her mom, videos etc the jury might feel sorry for her. OR, We may get another foreman who wants to use his pop rocks 😉 🙂
06/04/2013 at 10:50 pm
i cannot get this page to open.. puter goes nutz and shuts down IE.
is there anyway you can post the artical?
06/04/2013 at 10:55 pm
😦 Sorry guys…nyc pointed out this was discussed upstairs. I haven't gone upstairs yet, i need to start in the attic..darn it, i should have known this was posted already. Duhhh to me. I just went into panic mode seeing "mental illness" because I've had a big fear they might try to play that card next. Sighhhh. Sorry again.
06/04/2013 at 11:23 pm
yeah, but she doesn't meet the definition of legally insane. at the end of the day, couldn't you argue that 99% of criminals have some sort of mental defect? these guys have tried every spin, including conflicting ones. i wouldn't get worked up over another one of their spins. in the context of this article, they are really trying to get wobo attention on travis' day plus turning it into some sort of guilt trip for montgomery to offer a plea deal. it's not going to happen. taxpayers are more mad about DT tactics to stall and milk the $$ than any state government official.
06/05/2013 at 11:35 pm
That's totaly true nyc. Def not legally insane. Psycho insane freak in our eyes yes…but not legally insane.
06/04/2013 at 9:36 pm
14,623 candles from 123 countries are shining!
06/04/2013 at 11:34 pm
Wow that's AMAZING!! I hope the Alexander's find some sort of comfort knowing people from all over the world are sharing their pain and grief with them, over the loss of their beloved brother. I can not imagine the amount of pain they are feeling today. I hope they feel the love from all the people they have touched.
06/04/2013 at 9:58 pm
Not sure if this has been addressed yet, I'm doing a super quick drop by….haven't had time to check upstairs. This is the document file by the DT. Don't let it freak you out, it's truly 30 pages of BS. This is standard practice, and the DT has to make these "Hail Mary's". The DT is questioning the validity of there been cause for the verdict of "cruel" in the Aggrevating Phase, due to the conflicting statements made re: the order of the gun shot by Det. Flores and Dr. Hottie. The Supreme Court of Arizona has already denied the request to remove the Death Penalty. IF a plea deal really is being discussed, it's highly unlikely that the State will agree to it, especially if it is LWP. What is true, is that Arizona did pass "Truth in Sentancing" in 1994, which in actuality makes parole after 25 years possible, but less likely.
This statement by Nurmi will be of interest to Syn, as she pointed out being uncomfortable about Dr. DeMarte's making a diagnosis of BPD.
Today Arias' def. attorneys, Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott issued a joint statement in an exclusive to The Arizona Republic.
"If the diagnosis made by the State's psychologist is correct, the Maricopa County Attorney's Office is seeking to impose the death penalty upon a mentally ill woman who has no prior criminal history," they wrote. "Despite Mr. Montgomery's recent statements to the media, it is not incumbent upon Ms. Arias' def. counsel to resolve this case. Instead, the choice to end this case sits squarely with Mr. Montgomery and his office.
"It is solely for them to determine if continuing to pursue a death sentence upon Ms. Arias, who is already facing a mandatory life sentence, is a good and proper use of taxpayer resources."
My candle was lit at 5:30 AZ time, and is still glowing bright, God Bless Travis and his family and friends.
06/04/2013 at 10:06 pm
I dedicate this timeless classic to the Travis Alexander family (Gary, Greg, Tanisha, Samantha, Hillary, Steven & Allie).
You will never walk alone in your journey for justice.
06/04/2013 at 10:14 pm
On this day of all days, I am reminded of an interview that the Hughes had with Dr. Drew where there were a few minutes where they commented that Travis is in a happy place. Whether you believe in heaven or not, Travis, his family and friends do. The only ones who are hurting are us, and he has left all of this behind. I remember thinking that it was very insightful of them and lifted a big weight for me at the time.
I once read a book (or a series) called 'Conversations with God'. A controversial statement in it is that Hitler went to heaven (as there is no such thing as hell, not how most religions define it – one can argue that living in Earth is our personal hell, of sorts – I'm butchering the concept). Anyway, the point is that society allows things to happen (like the Holocaust) and we show our worth by how we learn or don't learn from it. In a way, things happen for a reason.
So this is a good day for me to take all my spiritual life lessons to date (as I stopped believing in organized religion a long time ago) and act on them. I have obsessed over this trial, and more so, obsessed over the perceived injustice that wobo isn't on death row already. It consumes my evening, weekends and even work hours to monitor blogs, articles, twitter and other social media for any snippets of news. On the positive, it has allowed me to find this blog where I am blessed with the personal stories that so many have shared and witness so many virtual hugs and support for those that are hurting. We wouldn't be here if it wasn't for this. Individuals like so many here may not have such an anonymous (and sometimes not so anonymous once we contact each other outside of the blog) support group if it wasn't for that. In a nut shell, may be more would be hurting.
Travis' 2008 affirmation:
'This Year will be the Best year of my life. This is the year that will eclipse all others. I will earn more, learn more, travel more, serve more, love more, give more and be more than all the other years of my life combined. True other years now past have been at times magnificent but none like this. This is a year of metamorphosis, of growth and accomplishment that at previous was unimaginable. A year where the impossible become common place, and the unachievable become effortlessly achieved. Where I raise myself to heights only visited by the great men and women of this world and by so doing this year will be the best year of my life.'
'Through compassionate service, random acts of kindness, unconditional love, and an acknowledgment of the true source of all blessings with gratitude in my heart', we are mere vessels to his legacy each time we pay it forward. Friday, June 7, is 'Impact Day' (where my company pays for all employees nationwide to spend the entire day giving back to the community). My service will be dedicated to Travis, and with that, I'm done obsessing over wobo – she doesn't deserve any passion I have nor to fill my body with negativity for my disgust for her. We should have faith in our justice system, in God, and in each other, as an overall society.
Travis accomplished his affirmation. God had bigger plans than Travis could even 'imagine'. Let's pay it forward!
06/04/2013 at 10:46 pm
beautifully said!
ty for warming my heart
06/04/2013 at 10:47 pm
That was absolutely beautiful nyc…
06/04/2013 at 10:59 pm
nyccowgirl! Nothing would give Travis more pleasure than what you've posted. And you are profoundly correct about Travis accomplishing his affirmation. I love that you've pointed this out to me.
06/04/2013 at 11:00 pm
Where is everyone tonight? Lol, the one night I can for the first-time actually talk with others, no one is here. Is it me? Can i bribe anyone with a nice martini, glass of wine, ice cold beer, margaritas? Hell, ill even throw in some new shovels and pails for everyone!
06/04/2013 at 11:12 pm
i'll take a margarita por favor. gracias!
06/04/2013 at 11:03 pm
Going to the attic 😦
06/04/2013 at 11:07 pm
Hey Baily, I'm here
06/04/2013 at 11:21 pm
Yayy!! I just came down to the kitchen for a nice cold corona with lime and i have company!!
Here's your margarita nyc:)
06/04/2013 at 11:24 pm
woohoooo…party time! is it friday yet? i think you need to pass a cold one to bubbles! he's looking parched! a toast to Travis and his legacy {chi-ching}.
06/04/2013 at 11:26 pm
Good read. I know it was posted upstairs, but it's a positive read. She is a circus that will never end. But she will fail.
I'm enjoying some vodka with ritz crackers, cream cheese, strawberry jam, and caviar.
06/04/2013 at 11:28 pm
that's an interesting flavor explosion on the taste buds…specifically strawberry jam and caviar. you have such refine tastes oh captain my captain.
06/04/2013 at 11:31 pm
I like the black caviar with that treat. For the red, I'll put it on some tangerines, and kiwi.
06/04/2013 at 11:32 pm
I'm around for a bit! Hello NYC "captain", and bailey! {{{hugs}} Is Janna and Chrissie still here too?
06/04/2013 at 11:39 pm
howdy!! {{hugs back}}
06/04/2013 at 11:43 pm
{{Hugs}} back at ya!!
06/04/2013 at 11:33 pm
NY, I look at it as kind of like trailer trash sophistication.
06/04/2013 at 11:38 pm
honey i grew up in a small town in the south. TT sophistication is a trip to mickey d's! why do you think i have such cravings for the golden arches at times – it was our reward system. you're just ahead of your time, and we'll see such combinations at the trendiest bars/lounges in NYC soon. 😉
06/04/2013 at 11:41 pm
Hmmm…this might really date me but..our reward was "Jack in a box" Anyone remember that??
06/04/2013 at 11:35 pm
Ooooo..share with ia bubbs!!
06/04/2013 at 11:39 pm
Also for the palette, I offer prosciutto wrapped around honeydoo melons. For a healthy prosecution. Cheers.
06/04/2013 at 11:42 pm
sold!!! pass me the poo-poo platter. bailey, lychee martini in your bar stash?
06/04/2013 at 11:46 pm
You got it hunny! Here ya go…i have whatever ya need and if i don't, ill go get it 🙂
06/04/2013 at 11:39 pm
So, you do think it's all a positive thing with the mental illness stuff? I gave myself a heart attack thinking this would taint the jury's feelings. Oh, i also can't believe the possibility of hearing those sex tapes again. I have them memorized lol!
06/04/2013 at 11:48 pm
Anything she does is futile, imo. it'll just be news stories to piss us off every now and again. Alexander family is gonna need help again soon. After the defense, including Arias, stalls and delays, and bullshits.
06/04/2013 at 11:53 pm
I know..i just need to keep reminding myself that. You would think i learned my lesson by now. I just keep thinking as time goes by, the more time they have, the more bs strategies they will muster up.
06/04/2013 at 11:53 pm
I HATE that they came up with that "mental ill stuff they tried so damn hard to discredit Dr. J on! Talk about scraping the bottomless pit in the barrel! Next thing they will come up with, "well, it's been so long now since the verdict, why don't we just leave her where she is instead of the real prison, just because she's JA" My goodness! They are just as bad as JA in thinking she didn't even commit a crime!! WTF???
06/05/2013 at 12:30 am
I said the same thing Janeto! Ok, I was stunned how the original jury was there from the get go right? They witnessed Dr. Quackuals, LaLa then Dr.Demarte. Dr.D was the one person the Defense hated! They adamantly went above and beyond to bring in another witness (i forgot his name) to dispute what she said. Again, the jury present for all these shenanigans. THEN, as soon as we get to the verdict….what? Here comes dumb & dumber throwing in and agreeing with Dr. D all of a sudden and trying to change to manslaughter/heat of passion bs. Claiming she has BPD now after ALL they went thru to argue it away. Now, the jury saw every bit of this. Did they not grasp the insane back and forth bs with Nurms and Will? I would love to hear the jury's opinion on this.
06/05/2013 at 11:36 am
The defense will probably try to use BPD as a mitigation factor, because the Locks of Love angle didn't work. However, there is a great deal of legal precedent nationally and internationally affirming that exculpatory mental disorders must be serious, and personality disorders (like BPD) don't qualify. Under DSM-IV and the newly issued version, DSM-V, Axis I mental disorders are Clinical Disorders except for Personality Disorders and Mental Retardation. Personality Disorders are classified as Axis II mental disorders. There is a reason for the distinction. Personality Disorders are enduring behavioral and mental traits that may lead to maladaptive coping skills, but the individual still knows right from wrong, and BPD does not cause them to plan or commit crimes, unlike some individuals suffering psychotic mental disorders under Axis I.
06/04/2013 at 11:44 pm
Bailey good :
Hmmm…this might really date me but..our reward was "Jack in a box" Anyone remember that??
Baily, I remember Jack in the Box from when I lived in Tx. And some controversy about kangaroo meat.
06/04/2013 at 11:52 pm
funny, because i remember the controversy as horse meat at that time. ironically, jack in the box came up in convo this week. i must have missed this controversy but someone was telling me that there was a period where people would make sure they didn't order pickles with their burger since there was an employee who was disgruntled and got caught peeing in the pickle jar. topic came up because of that pic that went viral of the guy who licked a bunch of taco shells at taco bell.
06/05/2013 at 12:00 am
LOL! The taco guy.
I heard a couple rumors back then but o can't remember what they were. Was the horse/kangaroo meat the reason they closed down? Shoot, i ate millions of burgers from there..im surprised i don't gallop everywhere.
06/04/2013 at 11:55 pm
We still have Jack in the Box here in Tx. and I believe it was "horse meat".
06/05/2013 at 12:02 am
Get outta here!!! You do?? I thought they all closed down. Wow cool…didn't we place (yell) our order in the clowns mouth?
06/05/2013 at 12:44 am
Omg bailey! I remember those clowns mouth intercoms! I lived in Chicago and grew up getting their tacos as a treat. We have jack in boxes here in nevada and I still get tacos once in a great while. The taste actually brings back old memories.
06/05/2013 at 12:50 am
This is not fair! 😦 How come you guys have them and we don't in NY? I loved the clown mouth intercom, lol. I wish I didn't know thw horse story because i remember those cheese burgers being the best!!!
06/05/2013 at 12:53 am
Lol.. I faintly remember something like that, was it just a rumor, or was it true? I hope it wasn't true. Although, horse meat, cows meat, pigs meat…they r all pretty disgusting when u think about it.
06/05/2013 at 1:20 am
Hey, Bailey, we've got Jack in the Box here in Arizona. I do miss being able to order from the clown, also. They still have their tacos and Jumbo Jacks but have expanded their menu quite a bit. Personally, I'm a Wendys fan. 🙂
06/04/2013 at 11:45 pm
Chrissie, thanks for the awesome video tribute you made for Travis! beautifully put together, and in black and white mostly. Way to go! 😆
06/04/2013 at 11:59 pm
i loved that you faded the pics other than his face, chrissie!
06/04/2013 at 11:48 pm
LMAO Bubb!!! Yessss, i live in NY and when ours closed, the rumor was horse meat.
06/04/2013 at 11:58 pm
Just watched Apollo 13. Think I'll have another drink.
06/05/2013 at 12:07 am
Another vodka bubb? Is that on the rocks or some other ingredient added??
06/05/2013 at 12:15 am
Bailey, certain drinks I like mixed, marguerita, bloody mary, whiskey and coke, kamikaze, but mostly I drink vodka straight, with a chaser. Not often. every couple days I enjoy a decent beer buzz. Vodka I used to drink by bottles a day. And write. I used the drink as a crutch. I couldn't write if I didn't drink, or so I thought. Then I fell down a chute in an attic, missed every step on the way down, and landed crumpled up at the bottom.
Then I quit cold turkey, and it nearly killed me.
06/05/2013 at 12:36 am
Oh my…cold turkey. That's hell on earth. I actually knew someone who quit cold turkey and died ay 32. I don't remember what the cause of death was but it was a result of going CT. Are you ok now? Was that more recent?
I love loveto write too! What do you write? Stories, poems, songs???
06/05/2013 at 12:01 am
Well kids, it's been a long day working outside and sunburned from fixing and painting my siding, so I'll sign off for tonight and hit the hay. laters……
06/05/2013 at 12:05 am
sweet dreams!
06/05/2013 at 12:05 am
Good night Janeto!! Sweet dreams.
06/05/2013 at 12:06 am
They said on some show tonight that Arias told differing versions of the murder to several inmates at Estrella. NG said that can be brought in during the "second" trial. Wich could take months.
06/05/2013 at 12:47 am
Hi Bubble…What do u think they mean by "brought in"? Would they put the inmates on the stand? That would b too funny!
06/05/2013 at 12:56 am
It's sad, but this circus is bound to continue, as long as there is breath in her evil body. Don't think I haven't thought about being there in 20 years when she may be released. And that's all I'll say about that.
06/05/2013 at 1:06 am
That's all you need to say about that Bubb..wink wink. I didn't see or hear a thing.
06/05/2013 at 12:12 am
Really?? Wow, I bet Juan is excited about that one. My lord, she just never shuts up does she?? Wobo at her finest!
06/05/2013 at 12:15 am
Justice is coming Travis.
While convicted murderer Arias sits in her solitary cell receiving food through a doggie door …. people from ALL over the world are lighting candles, saying prayers, launching blue balloons, and carrying out random acts of remembrance on the 5th anniversary of Travis Alexander's death.
06/05/2013 at 12:38 am
Amen to that Janna.
06/05/2013 at 12:39 am
isn't wobo more dangerous? how come we didn't get this pleasure?
Wish #jodiarias had been cuffed like #zimmerman in court. Would have thwarted courtroom artwork. http://t.co/sA6Lq8hnhx—
(@josemcyntire) May 29, 2013
06/05/2013 at 12:44 am
The chain accessories might be a Florida thing.
06/05/2013 at 12:45 am
Heyyyy!!! How come Wobo Einstein didn't get this treatment??? That's not fair. (Angry face)
06/05/2013 at 12:49 am
I thought the same thing….I often see defendants handcuffed at the table next to their attorney but never wobo. I'd rather they get rid of that shock thing she wears and make her wear cuffs.
06/05/2013 at 12:50 am
Bailey good :
Oh my…cold turkey. That's hell on earth. I actually knew someone who quit cold turkey and died ay 32. I don't remember what the cause of death was but it was a result of going CT. Are you ok now? Was that more recent?
I love loveto write too! What do you write? Stories, poems, songs???
Used to write all that stuff. Poetry, screenplays. As I got older I got interested in trials, crime and injustice. I don't write much anymore but here.I've written some good stuff about the war, and how I got there and it's aftermath. But there is a component in me that is too afraid to send it out. I know people who could help me get published, but I am at war with myself, and insecurities. I'll never get rejected if I never send my work out. Make sense? Alot of it has to do with love, and the lack thereof; an old problem…
06/05/2013 at 1:02 am
That stuff u wrote is important bubble! U won't get rejected too bad cuz all of us on here will b in line to purchase anything u write. I am fascinated about how the war affects our soldiers. I would enjoy reading about it from a personal perspective. Sorry about your "old problem". If I could take that pain away for u, I would in a heartbeat.
06/05/2013 at 1:17 am
I too would def be interested as well! You are part of our country's history Bubb. That in Itself you should be proud of yourself. And to have the talent to write it is quite amazing. You should say F it and go for it! I bet many many people would love to read about part of our history by a man who lived it, felt it, heard it, smelled it, seen it and tasted it. You already have a fan club here.
Hell, maybe you could send a copy to Wobo for her 1st book club meeting 🙂
06/05/2013 at 1:25 am
I think it is important to get the perspective of the men and women that go to the front lines and post-war for many reasons. I wish my dad and his military buddies talked about the Vietnam War (being on the Vietnam side). It's part of my history that I don't know – it's not taught in schools (other than the protests going on in the US) and it's complete propaganda from the Vietnam communist side. There are so many sides left unrepresented. I hope one day you publish, whether print or social media, even if it is anonymous. I get the insecurities though. Quite frankly don't most artists have their own demons they battle in some capacity? That's what makes them genius on a different level and give them this ability to create and/or see things in such a different way.
06/05/2013 at 1:00 am
Oh Bub trust me when I say i can totally understand what you mean by that! I am that way about many things and unfortunately it holds us back from many great possibilities. I had dreams i felt deep down i was meant to do, but my fear of rejection controlled all of it. We don't set ourselves up to fail or be rejected- we just avoid it at all costs.
I would be willing to bet you are a great writer and with your knowledge and experiences with the war, before, during and after….that's a great combination to write about.
06/05/2013 at 1:07 am
Me too. I have so many dreams that I just let fall to the wayside because of my fear of rejection and fear of not being 'good enough' . I think that's why I'm so impressed and in awe of travis. He was a go getter and seemed to really live life to the fullest. I long for that quality.
I feel like I'm wasting my life at times.
06/05/2013 at 1:41 am
Yes, Travis was def an inspiration and go getter. After seeing his life story and learning more about him i definitely feel like I'm not living life and my dreams as i should be. I am in awe of his ability to be himself and enjoy every single moment he can with no fear of rejection or not being good enough. He's the kind of man who would never let that cross his mind. I wish i had known him personally and had the honor to attend one of his inspirational talks.
I believe everyone was born with some kind of talent or something they were meant to be or meant to do with their life. Some people figure it out fast, some figure it out but fear their not good enough to do it, some find it and live it successfully and happy, some never figure it out. I've known people in every one of those categories. Fear is powerful. It controls some of us and sadly, we probably have great potential to succeed but won't.
06/05/2013 at 2:04 am
You said that so well. It is as if you were dictating from my mind.
I enjoyed chatting with u! Hope to talk again!
06/05/2013 at 1:03 am
Bailey, if u want a quick, one minute trip down memory lane with the infamous clown intercom at jib, go here…http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=MR4I7-7TmHs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMR4I7-7TmHs
06/05/2013 at 1:23 am
OMG!!!!!! WOW, that was crazy! I feel so old now too lol. Thanks for that. I'm going to watch more tomo. Now i miss it even more 😦
06/05/2013 at 1:06 am
some day he'll call her
and she'll come running
and fall down crying
and they will pray
I want to fall in love
with you
Christian Mingles jingle. Find God's match for you. What a disgusting ad campaign. White people. What if God's match is a psycho like Jodi Arias? Does that mean you did anything wrong? It was God's way. Creeps List and Christian Mingle= a predators playground…just sayin'. See Shannyn Gilbert.
06/05/2013 at 1:38 am
Hey, Bubble, glad to see someone else is annoyed by that jingle and the concept as I am. Not knocking anyone's faith but if God has the perfect match for you, how does that explain the bad relationships? I've had a couple of those myself – was God a practical joker with a warped sense of humor – "I'll send Kathy a guy who will cheat on her with everything that has a pulse" – or did I stumble across matchmakers like "Hell's Hotties," "Brimstone Bachelors," or "Satan's Sweethearts?" Actually, that last one sounds more like a female biker gang.
06/05/2013 at 1:43 am
Kathy, Nancy B sent me a very enlightening link today. I tried to copy it but no. It's upstairs and she commented "for Bubble" it meant alot and was spot on.
06/05/2013 at 1:30 am
If anyone wants an intruiging case to look at, try Shannyn Gilbert and Gilgo beach killings.
06/05/2013 at 1:46 am
bubblebutts :
Kathy, Nancy B sent me a very enlightening link today. I tried to copy it but no. It's upstairs and she commented "for Bubble" it meant alot and was spot on.
Will go back and find it. Thanks.
06/05/2013 at 1:46 am
Well, goodnight self. Goodnight self.
06/05/2013 at 1:54 am
nite all. thanks for the drinks, bailey, and refreshments, bubbles!
06/05/2013 at 1:59 am
G'night, Bubbles. That article is very enlightening.
06/05/2013 at 1:55 am
Im falling asleep. It was so nice to finally get to talk to some of you. Have a good night. Sweet dreams! Xo
06/05/2013 at 2:05 am
Sweet dreams, too!
06/05/2013 at 2:02 am
Goodnight all..hope the Alexander's were ok today.
06/05/2013 at 4:37 am
This goes back to the earlier conversation about Jodi Arias teaching Spanish to the inmates at Perryville Prison. I don't even want to think about her incorporating sign language. She may be Mexican-American but even she had to teach herself Spanish while locked up in Maricopa County.
I can see it now, throngs of inmates – many of whom have names like Maria Elena Flores, Rosalinda Gonzales, Carmen Espinoza, Guadalupe Lopez, et. al crowding around Senorita Stabs-A-Lot as she writes on a chalkboard:
"Yo edificar, que edifica, todos edificamos. ¿Dónde está el Starbucks más cercano?"
"I edify, you edify, we all edify. Where is the nearest Starbucks?" 🙂
06/05/2013 at 6:27 am
Hahahaha! Good one Kathy 🙂
06/05/2013 at 7:17 am
Kristi- 6/3/2013 at 10:15 pm | #77 Reply | Quote
There have been so many ridiculous things the WOBO has done that I forgot about this one, Bailey! Didn't she claim, or maybe it was in la toilettes testimony, that Travis gave her the shirt and it was 'evidence' of the DV? I am POSITIVE that Jodi had the shirt made. Somewhere, at one of those companies that makes custom tees, is someone who made that shirt. I'm surprised that no one has come forward and said who ordered it. I'm also surprised that a forensic audit of Travis and Jodi's financial records wasn't done. If Jodi's bank statements were analyzed, maybe the stalking could be proven circumstancially, which could cast doubt on her mitigation of no prior criminal activity.
This is a question for one of the lawyers, can the prosecution introduce new evidence to the new jury in the 2nd penalty phase? I've never slashed a tire before, but I'm guessing it would take more than the average kitchen knife? What if she bought a machete the night before the tire slashing? What if she subscribed to a background check service and searched Mimi Hall and others?
Yes exactly!! When she claimed DV she also said he was possessive and she showed the t-shirt (Travis Alexander's) and Travis underwear pictures as if to say "see he made me these to mark me his property." We ALL know damn well she had the shirt and tee made. No doubt about it. She probably thought she was being cute and that he would like it. Imagine her all walking in wearing them and poor Travis is like wtf?
I was also wondering if they analyzed bank statements to see any u usual deposits aroud the time Travis was murdered. As someone on here had mentioned, I wouldn't put it past her to take his Cancun money he may have had at the house. No one would even think to check that at the time because everyone was focused on the horrific murder…not the the other unimportant things. I mentioned a while back that I think those mysterious 3 seperate deposits she made the day before she murdered him were his checks written out to her. I think she may have stolen checks from him in the past and took money from him because we do know she hacked into his bank accounts too and knew passwords and account numbers. If she was ever questioned about the money/checks, all she had to say (lie) was that he was paying her back. Didn't she claim he always borrowed money from her? What a joke! Yea…the man who made money from his good job, borrowed money from someone who had fling jobs here and there who didnt have any money. We all know it was the other way around. Every dime she made went to gas for her Mesa trips, binoculars,machetes,personalized t-shirts and underwear, Brazilian waxes, KY…you get my drift.…
06/06/2013 at 12:29 pm
I agree with you about the deposits I believe she took money out of an account that was used to pay for the Bmw .travis had texted balance your checkbook and had mentioned being embarrassed about the account being negative ..she then borrow $800.00 from Paul stern before her trip she made those deposits knowing travis would ask about the money then she called and told him she was going to be in town and would write him those checks right before he left to cancun if some one owes you money your going to let them pay you..she also contacted dt.flores and asked about the checks and she knew she could pay Paul stern back because travis would be dead ..how is she so concerned about money on the trip but never uses the 800.00 cash she had I wish they would have looked into this in detail.
06/05/2013 at 9:04 am
Chrissie A :
I shed a few myself putting it together
So beautiful and touching! Thank you for your immense contribution to this blog!
You are so very talented and you use your abilities to benefit others!
06/05/2013 at 9:28 am
Kathy A. :
This goes back to the earlier conversation about Jodi Arias teaching Spanish to the inmates at Perryville Prison. I don't even want to think about her incorporating sign language. She may be Mexican-American but even she had to teach herself Spanish while locked up in Maricopa County.
I can see it now, throngs of inmates – many of whom have names like Maria Elena Flores, Rosalinda Gonzales, Carmen Espinoza, Guadalupe Lopez, et. al crowding around Senorita Stabs-A-Lot as she writes on a chalkboard:
"Yo edificar, que edifica, todos edificamos. ¿Dónde está el Starbucks más cercano?"
"I edify, you edify, we all edify. Where is the nearest Starbucks?"
Kathy- thanks so much for my morning giggle, it went so well with my coffee! Very, very funny honey!!!!!
06/05/2013 at 10:47 am
Yes! Thank you Kathy! ROFLMAO!! What a wonder laugh this morning!
06/05/2013 at 10:04 am
nyccowgirl :
I actually focused on the last part of this article. It wasn't clear to me before and why there was an 'interpretation' dispute between JM and JW but she doesn't ever qualify for 'parole' – I think I saw somewhere that someone said something related to the discrepancy being there is no parole board in AZ but it's actually based on when the crime was committed. Regardless, perhaps other sandboxers understood this but this makes me much happier on the 'worst case' scenario.
Hi NYCG, I wish this was as good as the hack MK made it sound…. MMD tipped me off to this reporter, which prompted me to into his reporting, he is extremely PRO Defense, and has an uncanny way of slanting every piece with a heavy dose of JA Koolaid. Yes, Arizona passed a "Truth in Sentencing" law in 1994 – It's intent was to ensure that a jury or judge's sentence of "10 years", didn't mean the convicted would really be out in 5. The law has been effective in making sure the convicted is doing at least 85% of their ordered sentence. This is the law that JW "muddied" during her closing argument during the Penalty Phase, and this was why Juan jumped all over it in his closing. If JA is sentenced to LWP, she COULD still be out in 20 years, despite how this law was presented by JW (and MK). She would receive "time served" (5 years) and be eligible for parole and release. A lot can change within the State's legislation (changes in elected officials, ie Govoner, Sentate, etc).
This is why at the very least, I hope she gets LWOP.
06/05/2013 at 10:34 am
The release by law is only through the governor's office though. That's very different than an assumption of early release because of good behavior. Of course anything can be changed by the law like having to retry all DP cases because they take away DP but there was a subsequent law in 2012 that took away even early release possibility. That leads me to believe AZ is going the other way. Even if the reporter is pro-defense, which is why he started the article the way he did on the death anniversary, I can't imagine that he is lying about the law outright.
06/05/2013 at 10:56 am
1st let me have a giggle at my spelling of (govoner)!!!! Lol! More coffee needed!
JA murdered TA in 2009, predating the change in legislation in 2012, therefore JA could still be eligible for parole in 20 years if sentenced to LWP. This is why Juan was so angry when JW tried to mislead the jury during her version of the sentencing instructions.
This is a quote for the Arizona law cited from the (Maricopa County Attoney's Office) "In Arizona, first degree murder is punishable by either the death penalty, life without parole, or life with parole. Parole, if granted, is only possible after a minimum of 25 years served, or 35 years in the case of the killing of an individual 15 years old or younger (including the unborn)".
MK is not out and out lying, but it is definitely skewed, and as you pointed out, ill timed….
06/05/2013 at 11:00 am
Errrrrr awww Gawd, let's add (sentate) to my need for another cup of Joe! LOL!
06/05/2013 at 11:20 am
Egad! ****murdered TA in 2008, not 2009! I need to go back to bed, coffee isn't working 😦
06/05/2013 at 10:31 am
CHRISSIE A. – That was an amazing tribute to Travis. The B&W w/the framing was a beautiful touch to such a handsome man. Thanks for sharing that with us. Also, TY to the others that posted heart-warming tributes.
Hope the Alexanders got through yesterday OK, along with what is to follow – just can't imagine the agony they are feeling. I know they have a lot support and love from around the world – but . . . need I say any more.
06/05/2013 at 11:00 am
I beleive that was Ryan Burns in the second car
06/05/2013 at 11:12 am
It was Ryan Burns in the second car.
06/05/2013 at 11:14 am
There's some funny stuff here… "A conversation with Nurmi's chair……"
06/05/2013 at 11:46 am
Hi FOL – That is truly hilarious!!!!!!!!!!
06/05/2013 at 11:50 am
FOL, thanks, this freakin' hilarious.
06/05/2013 at 11:52 am
I really wish that Wurmi could see it 😆
06/05/2013 at 11:57 am
Good morning my fav Canucks!!! MMD, did you get your puter fixed? Beans, how many biz cards did you get handed out so far?
06/05/2013 at 12:04 pm
They're all gone – I was swarmed by the university students up the street from my apartment. They chased me home, it was like a scene from 'A Hard Days Night' with fans chasing the Beatles. I was lucky to escape alive 'though my clothing was in tatters.
06/05/2013 at 12:35 pm
Morning Darlin'. 😀 So far, knock on wood, so good. The guy who owns the store was out sick but I did get my new cord and they did something to my battery so it is now holding it's charge and not shutting off every time I move. Told the guy to tell Justin to go ahead and order the new laptop, Windows 8, not impressed, and he didn't know that I was supposed to get a cooling pad gratis so I'll just wait until the owner is back, hopefully tomorrow.
06/05/2013 at 12:38 pm
Well Beans ya better get some more printed up if you were lucky to escape alive. After all those Beatles like fans will not leave you alone until they get their hands on one 😀
06/05/2013 at 12:55 pm
Beans, we're they mainly female? If so… Hope they didn't have dingy brown hair with spider leg bangs and glasses!!!!
06/05/2013 at 12:57 pm
MMD, I'm knocking on oak :-). Cooling pads are supposed to be über helpful, here's hoping it tides you over until a shiny new one arrives!
06/05/2013 at 1:18 pm
This is great! Thanks for the laughs.
06/05/2013 at 11:37 am
Hi Geri – Ryan Burns was in the 2nd car that the UT policeman testified to. Burns testified to this. He had been following JA's car – I can't specifically remember the context of why they took separate cars that day. The gas cans were never found. JA testified that they were at her grandparents house but the day that she was arrested in Yreka the police confiscated many items from their home but gas cans were never mentioned.
06/05/2013 at 11:44 am
Probably torched iin the desert along with her bloody clothes.
06/05/2013 at 11:54 am
I have fantasies of somebody stumbling across those discarded items, especially the gun.
06/05/2013 at 12:14 pm
Because of JA's over-the-top obsession with all things Travis, I believe the murderbilia is secretly stashed. She was a hoarder when it comes to Travis momentos.
06/07/2013 at 12:29 am
Oh Beans I do too! I always, ALWAYS think about that. I wonder if she was in a hurry at that time and just tossed them wherever, not really planning or thinking. Maybe too close to the road. Idk..i wish someone could find one little thing.
06/05/2013 at 11:59 am
Chrissie A :
Lisa, your kind words are immeasurable, and I thank you from my heart. ❤
I speak the truth Chrissie and we are about seeking the truth and discussing our respective thoughts….
06/05/2013 at 12:30 pm
Janna :
Because of JA's over-the-top obsession with all things Travis, I believe the murderbilia is secretly stashed. She was a hoarder when it comes to Travis momentos.
Janna I think you are absolutely correct. Now if only we could find her stash……………. 😉
06/05/2013 at 12:53 pm
saw an interview the other night with the guy who coined the term 'murderabilia'. he's a victims' rights advocate who is fighting to end this nonsense – the indignation and anger coming off him was palpable.
06/05/2013 at 3:11 pm
that's a disgrace!!!!! No one should be profiting from the murder of another!
06/05/2013 at 12:57 pm
OT MMD, are you enjoying the new Sandford? I've got the new Le Carre in my hot little hands – it's up to his usual standards if you're a fan.
06/05/2013 at 1:41 pm
Long finished it and it is always a joy when you have Davenport and Flowers in the same book. Now working on The Kill Room by Jeffery Deaver who is tied with David Baldacci as my absolute favs.
06/05/2013 at 1:50 pm
Right with ya on that F'ing Flowers. My other guys are Lee Child, Michael Connelly and while not crime related, the Aubrey/Maturin series by Patrick O'Brian.
06/05/2013 at 2:19 pm
I was going to put that in about Flowers but decided against it 🙄 I own every Lee Child book and have his Sept.3rd new one on pre-order but I find that he's been phoning it in lately and too much gratuitous killing. Still read them but not as enthralled.
06/05/2013 at 1:00 pm
This is where I have musings about Matt M… I truly wonder if this was part of his involvement?
06/05/2013 at 2:22 pm
I have no doubt that at least on the trip to Mesa he was involved and she has something major on him to move away and want no part of the trial – although JM's threat of perjury or fears of JA turning on him could also be it.
06/05/2013 at 2:40 pm
Typhoid Stabby, infecting everyone she has ever come into contact with. Imagine the negative impact of ever being associated with her.
06/05/2013 at 1:05 pm
FOL, they did have dingy hair, spider leg bangs and glasses, that's why I was running. Good thing for me I didn't pull out the other cards I had: 'Boobicles: They're Only Unnatural'
06/05/2013 at 1:17 pm
Lol Beans! You are a wise man, and I see you've added an "un" to the natural… I wonder how Perryville docs will deal with JA's Boobicles? I think they're already 7 or 8 years old, and they have about a 10 year "self life"…. Suppose they'll just remove them, leaving her girls looking a bit like two tube socks with golf balls in the toes?
06/05/2013 at 1:19 pm
"shelf" (not self)! Ack! I've been a mess of typos for days!
06/05/2013 at 1:33 pm
aww, man, did you have to bring up the deflated 'girls'? that image could haunt me for years. Re; a 'wise man' you may want to consult my ex for a second opinion. Seriously, let's hope when the time comes, if stabby lives that long, the Docs just yank 'em out.
06/05/2013 at 1:36 pm
hah, good typo, it will be 'self life' if she's in 23/7 lockdown.
06/05/2013 at 2:23 pm
I could really have lived without that image FOL 🙄
06/05/2013 at 4:54 pm
Susie Q …. how do ya come up with these visual enhancements????????
06/05/2013 at 1:23 pm
Robert? HJ? Syn? Where did you all go?
06/05/2013 at 1:51 pm
I'd like to know that as well!!!!
06/05/2013 at 2:07 pm
NancyB :
14,623 candles from 123 countries are shining!
Someone needs to tweet this to the biatch and let her know noone is rooting for her!
06/05/2013 at 7:20 pm
I wish I tweeted!
06/05/2013 at 2:11 pm
Beans :
I have fantasies of somebody stumbling across those discarded items, especially the gun.
I'm NOT the only one!!! 🙂
06/05/2013 at 2:21 pm
You're not, I dreamed about it one night and think about it often.
06/05/2013 at 2:21 pm
fry jodi arias@Fry_Jodi8m
#Jodiarias thinks she can change the world in jail PULEEZ!! Travis Alexanders' touched & changed more lives dead, than she could ever ALIVE!
06/05/2013 at 5:00 pm
Bravo Nienna! Nail on the head.
06/05/2013 at 2:26 pm
Since I'm all by myself… I'll keep entertaining… This is too funny!
06/05/2013 at 2:38 pm
Oh Nienna that image of DonoMan was painful!!!!!!!!!! Yuck!!!! 😦 The rest was hilarious though 😆
06/05/2013 at 2:54 pm
Funny Nienna, thanks, but what do you mean you're all by yourself, what about us?
06/05/2013 at 2:58 pm
Thought everyone was gone! 🙂
06/05/2013 at 5:13 pm
bababababa ummau um mau mau ba ba um mau ba ba um mau mau ba ba um mau
What was the word??????????
06/05/2013 at 2:40 pm
Nienna is hubbs all happy now that you have set your balloon off and are not still walking around calling it Travis? I had candles at 5:30 my time and again at AZ time.
06/05/2013 at 2:44 pm
He's good. He even came downstairs and outside to walk it fly away with me. Lit my candle at 5:30 and let Travis go 🙂 Now if I could only figure out how to upload the picture…
06/05/2013 at 2:46 pm
I think that the only way you can post it is if you put it on twitter.
06/05/2013 at 2:48 pm
Oops. Meant "watch" but I think you gathered that. 😦 I don't tweet. I just read.
06/05/2013 at 2:56 pm
Neither do I. Don't do FB either. I figure I want to talk to someone I'll call them 😉
06/05/2013 at 2:58 pm
06/05/2013 at 3:18 pm
Just saw a tweet that JA supposedly posted last night at 11:00pm of Travis. Face shoot of dead TA autopsy photo! Not going to post it here because it is horrific! This better be BS!!! It's not on her page today! I will seriously flip out!!
06/05/2013 at 3:19 pm
She directed it to two people and wrote "My poor TRAVIS :("
06/05/2013 at 3:41 pm
Was it under Jodiannarias or the one with the underscore?
06/05/2013 at 3:50 pm
Is that the one that has the ruler to the left of his face because that really is a horrific picture that I will never get out of my mind 😦
06/05/2013 at 4:42 pm
ANyone here?
06/05/2013 at 4:44 pm
I'm here Bubbs. Stepped away, back now for a bit.
06/05/2013 at 4:44 pm
MMD… Yes to both of those. It showed HER page not the other one!!
06/05/2013 at 6:25 pm
Sorry you had to see that picture Nienna. It's a hard one to unsee. 😦
06/05/2013 at 5:16 pm
Have you heard?
06/05/2013 at 7:43 pm
Interesting article by Kristina Randle…. JA is NOT crazy….
06/05/2013 at 8:11 pm
Family of Law :
1st let me have a giggle at my spelling of (govoner)!!!! Lol! More coffee needed!
JA murdered TA in 2009, predating the change in legislation in 2012, therefore JA could still be eligible for parole in 20 years if sentenced to LWP. This is why Juan was so angry when JW tried to mislead the jury during her version of the sentencing instructions.
This is a quote for the Arizona law cited from the (Maricopa County Attoney's Office) "In Arizona, first degree murder is punishable by either the death penalty, life without parole, or life with parole. Parole, if granted, is only possible after a minimum of 25 years served, or 35 years in the case of the killing of an individual 15 years old or younger (including the unborn)".
MK is not out and out lying, but it is definitely skewed, and as you pointed out, ill timed….
FOL – could the perceived discrepancy just be because the attorney's office is just trying to combine all the laws into a quick statement. So, post 1994, you could only get LWOP and DP will pre includes LWP. Anything prior to 2012 can be commutated by a governor but not so after 2012. Therefore, the reporter wasn't trying to slant but rather clarify the statement by the attorney's office above? I believe JM's remarks (and I'm only going off memory) is that there currently is no parole board in AZ but laws can change in response to JM stating something about the non-existence of an actual parole board in AZ currently. I think he just confused the matter rather than clarifying it as the reporter did, if that is the actual truth to the laws and timelines.
06/05/2013 at 9:11 pm
Saw this and thought of #jodiarias. Monsters are real. http://t.co/pI2KceTf7I—
Amy James (@amillee02) June 05, 2013
06/05/2013 at 10:45 pm
have ya seen this? 400 unread jury questions.
06/05/2013 at 11:22 pm
That makes me want to see EVERYTHING that has been unsealed! We did get to hear the "skank" question… Not sure why they reported than unheard? But I love the question, "did you ever harm a pet"?
06/05/2013 at 10:55 pm
i thought it was travis who wobo claimed sent the french maid pic. and puhlease on the behavior of the alexander family, what about wobo's side? love JM's wit – seems to be more humorous during sidebars. the DT seems to need to grow some balls or be less sensitive considering they throw shit out in open court.
06/05/2013 at 11:49 pm
actual transcript of that convo re: law school…
06/06/2013 at 8:58 am
Thanks nyc – I would loooooooooove to read all the sidebar discussions. They sound great!
06/06/2013 at 1:26 am
so disgusting and funny at the same time…disgustingly funny.
#jodiarias #jodihad no idea this was taken. Too much anal sex-she couldn't hold her poo in! http://t.co/ZdTnhZsIBT—
Sarah Smiles (@SarahZiemke) June 06, 2013
06/06/2013 at 1:44 am
Sadly, I think Jodi knows how to hold her poo in
06/06/2013 at 7:46 am
Is Syn away on a business trip or vacation? I haven't seen her post in awhile. ???
06/06/2013 at 8:56 am
I don't think so and I want her to come back soon!!!! It's not the same without our Aussie helping me to maintain my mental health!!! 😥
06/06/2013 at 8:12 am
06/06/2013 at 9:02 am
Just watching a hearing in another case and all I can say is that this judge could REALLY give Judge Stephens lessons on starting on time! Just sayin…………..
06/06/2013 at 9:25 am
hi MMD.
06/06/2013 at 11:04 am
Hi whoever you are???????? 😀
06/06/2013 at 10:08 am
Good morning Princess Canuck. I miss Syn too. Also missing Ci Ci's Circle of peeps.
06/06/2013 at 11:12 am
Yeah – where has CC'C been??????? Said hi downstairs 🙂
06/06/2013 at 9:29 am
hi MMD, Where is Syn? I miss her. I'm logged in but showing as anonymous.
How are your babies today?
06/06/2013 at 11:06 am
I miss her too and my babies are great. My oldest is 14 today but not aging well. I'm of the opinion that we should all go at the same time in a perfect world.
06/06/2013 at 10:18 am
LMBO …… Martinez said to Willmott, "Well, then maybe you should go back to law school."
I'd sure like to be a fly on the wall during those sidebars.
P.S. Did anyone from the sandbox watch NG special last night?
06/06/2013 at 10:26 am
Crap! I forgot and missed it! Was watching Bruins playoff game.
06/06/2013 at 11:09 am
Hiya Nienna – Part 2 is on tonight. Wouldn't be surprised if they replay it this weekend.
06/06/2013 at 11:15 am
Nienna – OT – did you happen to see Family Guy vid – Lol
06/05/2013 at 5:16 pm | #541
06/06/2013 at 11:08 am
Morning Janna – well Martinez certainly has a great sense of humour and surprise, surprise, Wilmott and Gidget are a bunch of whiners 🙄
06/06/2013 at 10:25 am
good morning
can't wait to read all this newly released info.
yes, I watched NG last night.. one thing that stands out for me is that ALL the people NG spoke to, said that it was their own fault they are in jail. no blame shame game from them… they owned it. Something that is alien to ho
06/06/2013 at 11:03 am
Morning Moon – I watched it and I agree with you. I think that the most telling part was with the one woman, who was not with the group, the thin lady with stringy hair and missing her top teeth and a career criminal, who said that you simply cannot trust the motivations or words of a single inmate because they always have an angle. She also said at the top of the show that JA deserved everything coming to her.
I was not surprised when Nancy Grace was on Dr. Drew and said that they all loved JA but she had also told each of them a different story as to what had happened. 😉
06/06/2013 at 11:28 am
morning! yep, that 'lifer' was very telling
06/06/2013 at 11:41 am
gonna try to post again… last 2 posts of mine are not showing.
hi (((mmd janeto, nancy)))
yes, the 'lifer' was very telling!
sorry nancy can't get that vid to work.. i think it's time for a new hard drive???
06/06/2013 at 11:36 am
No. I didn't see NG…I totally forgot about it! Darn…..
06/06/2013 at 10:51 am
I had never seen this 2008 interview before by KTVK. It looks like this right around the time she was extradited to Az and was in their custody.
06/06/2013 at 11:11 am
Morning Nancy. 😀 Watching something else so will watch this during the lunch break
06/06/2013 at 4:47 pm
Hi Nancy, it is so absolutely ridiculous that the jury couldn't see this. She talked freely so this should have been part of evidence.
06/06/2013 at 10:53 am
Morning sandboxers!! Or evening, wherever you may be! Who's all here? Hugs everyone {{}}
06/06/2013 at 11:10 am
Morning Janet – I'm here but watching another hearing for another case. Did ya get my email?
06/06/2013 at 11:28 am
Morning MMD. I checked my email earlier this morning! Better check my bulk mail. I'll let you know…enjoy the hearing…
06/06/2013 at 11:32 am
I mean't my addy. Donchais was kind of busy that day so if you haven't received it, I will drop her a line.
06/06/2013 at 11:33 am
Nope. Just checked my bulk mail……what service do you use? Yahoo? That's what I use….or gmail.. either one..
06/06/2013 at 1:27 pm
sympatico – it's Canuck 😀
06/06/2013 at 11:19 am
Good morning easy going Longhorn woman
06/06/2013 at 11:25 am
Touche! morning!!! I just watched that video NancyB posted. I hadn't seen the entire interview before. Thanks Nancy!
06/06/2013 at 11:33 am
morning janeto!!
and morning to you too, Nancy! i can't get to that vid… 😦 ty tho.. will try again
06/06/2013 at 11:40 am
I also loved the comment by Juan to Willnot! She should take his advice! Ha!! I wish we could see the other juror questions that were not asked….Wonder why they didn't allow "if she ever had any pets" question? What would that hurt? Things that make you say Hmmmmm…
06/07/2013 at 2:34 am
That question was kinda "suspicious" knowing $tabitha did harm a dog. Makes me think one of the jurors may have known about the dog kicking incident via interrogation vids on tv or a friend/family member. Could have been a test to see if she told the truth about it because she wouldn't have thought a juror would know anything about it. Had she answered that, would Juan be able to spill the whole dog story?
Imo, this was a question i wouldn't expect a jury to ask without a reason. Just seemed left feild to me. What do you guys think?
06/06/2013 at 11:46 am
well sorry Donchais..
I've put in a few posts now that must've gone to mod because I just noticed my log in info was missing. sorry for the hassel
06/06/2013 at 11:52 am
helloooo (((mmd, janeto, nancy, ev1)))
yes, that 'lifer' was very telling…
ty for that vid, nancy i will try again… my puter is acting up trying to open that!
06/06/2013 at 11:57 am
Lifer? oooh "splain further" please….
06/06/2013 at 12:00 pm
😳 hi moon! sorry…….I guess you mean about the criminals taking ownership for their crimes… Very telling indeed! Hell WOBO won't even admit she committed one! That's how far off base she is!!!
06/06/2013 at 11:55 am
My thinking on the "Willnotwinthiscase" having a conflict on scheduling, why couldn't it be EARLIER, rather than push it back??? 🙄 Geesh! These scheduling conflicts are just a muse to give them more time to come up with more BS!!!!!!
06/06/2013 at 12:48 pm
a "muse" ????? 🙂
06/06/2013 at 2:40 pm
ok, ok 😳 you know what i meant ! 😛 by the way, I did get ur addy. Thanks "mom"
06/06/2013 at 12:02 pm
Hiya Nienna – Part 2 is on tonight. Wouldn't be surprised if they replay it this weekend.
NOTE TO SELF!!! Part 2 tonight!!!!! 😀
06/06/2013 at 12:05 pm
Well peeps, my short visit in the sandbox is over… I got to get things done…Life…. priorities, priorities…… laters gators….
06/06/2013 at 12:13 pm
have a good one janeto!!
i've got to fly for a bit too..
take care ev1
06/06/2013 at 12:19 pm
Hey everyone! MMD! Janna… I did see it – LOL
06/06/2013 at 12:42 pm
06/06/2013 at 12:46 pm
Note to Judge Stephens – Just watched a court proceeding that was supposed to start at 9 am and it started 2 minutes to 9. Had a 10 minute only break and went to 12:40 pm. Will resume at 1:40 pm, maybe even early. There were even a couple of sidebars that took maybe a couple of minutes each.
IT CAN BE DONE and WORK CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED!!!!!! just sayin………. judge 😉
06/06/2013 at 1:02 pm
Refreshing isn't it.
06/06/2013 at 1:17 pm
Yep!!! 😀 Nice to know that the system works elsewhere. We also saw it with Judge Kurtz!!!! We spent so many hours watching Judge Stephens that we totally forget that it actually is happening all over the place.
06/06/2013 at 1:21 pm
Nancy – OK I just watched the video you posted of the interview that JA gave in jail and beyond the fact that I wanted to hurl, I picked up something new. When she was asked the last time she SAW Travis she said it was early June. I replayed it a couple of times to make sure that I had it right and that was her answer.
I thought she had always been emphatic that she had not seen TA since April or was it just that she hadn't been in AZ since April???? Did she say that he had come to see her or something and I'm just forgetting it??????
Nancy – do you know???? Anybody?????
06/06/2013 at 2:11 pm
Didn't catch that MMD. But REALLY? Also, she gave a different version of how they were originally introduced. You can believe NOTHING that comes out of her mouth!!!
06/06/2013 at 2:16 pm
Honest to God and she looks them all straight in the face as she lies her head off. If we hadn't been educated by Syn, I'd still be trying to figure her out, which is impossible 🙄
06/06/2013 at 2:18 pm
Hi to all. MMD, I know!! I caught the same thing. She already couldn't keep all of her lies straight! I found it also very interesting when the interviewer asked her if there was any violence in the relationship and she refused to answer that question!
06/06/2013 at 2:27 pm
Didn't see previously tell Flores in the interrogation that he never hit her or what have you? She's something else!!
06/06/2013 at 2:45 pm
Hi Nienna! Right you are! 🙂
06/07/2013 at 2:47 am
It's insane too how she adamantly denied Travis owned a gun.
06/06/2013 at 3:07 pm
I caught that too!! i was floored!!!!! WTF!!!So many discrepancies, UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!
06/06/2013 at 2:21 pm
Thanks to The State vs Jodi Arias
Convicted murderer Jodi Arias continues to sell plagiarized 'art' for personal gain.
Arias copy on left | L'Oréal campaign, right
06/06/2013 at 2:29 pm
Ridiculous! Wonder if the 19 unauthorized photos she had in her cell were any of these so called original works of art of hers?
06/06/2013 at 2:22 pm
Yeah – where has CC'C been??????? Said hi downstairs
Hello All……we've been reading from time to time but currently focusing our full attention to one of our ol hens. Our oldest hen went in for emergency surgery recently. Totally unexpected and scary. Two of us took her for a routine check-up and an MRI was ordered. Next day she was rushed for emergency surgery to have a "stint" (sp?) inserted into her carotid artery! It was 85% closed and she was on the verge of a severe stroke. We got her through that but she is scheduled to go back for another stint in her other artery and one in her leg. She's been very depressed lately so we've been keeping our normal schedule of activity with very little attention given to JA or these other horrific trials going on. We check now and then to see what's up but we're not watching any trials or HLN at this time. We'll probably get back in slowly as it nears sentencing for JA because we want to see her gone for good and Justice for Travis finally served however our main concern right now is our dearest and oldest ol Hen. Thank you for wondering where we are, but we are definitely here in spirit!! Love the updated posts. Keeps us from stumbling our way through the internet. That never worked for us! Take care everyone and stay safe and sane!!
06/06/2013 at 2:30 pm
Hi CiCi & Circle! Oh my! That is very scary and especially because it was out of the blue. Did they catch the serious occlusions because she was symptomatic or by doing routine ultrasound vascular screening? Please remind her that she will feel 100% improved once the other 2 sites are done. She's so lucky to have all of you hens with her during this time and afterwards to bring her back to full health! I know all of you will love her up a bunch and that will definitely speed her healing process. So glad to hear from all of you!
06/06/2013 at 2:33 pm
LOL at your "Oh my". Although, this is not a laughing matter… Just funny that I was typing mine then submitted and saw yours 🙂
06/06/2013 at 3:29 pm
Well she had been complaining about a pain in her leg but we're not sure how that came about in all this. The doctor decided to do a vascular screening and that's where the problem was found in her neck as well as her leg. There was no clot found only the collapsing of the arteries. She has a sister who is experiencing the same thing so now the doctor's are thinking something having to do with heredity may be going on. she's going in for the next stint next week and she's very anxious about it so we're keeping her laughing and as active as possible.
06/06/2013 at 2:32 pm
Oh my! Very sorry to hear about this! Hope all goes well and we get all you ol' hens back soon. I'll add her to my prayers.
06/06/2013 at 2:33 pm
So sorry to hear about one of you gals but happy to hear that she is being looked after and getting the stints before she had a stroke!!!! This is a really good thing. Positive thoughts, prayers and {{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} from all of us!!! Keep us posted please.
06/06/2013 at 3:17 pm
OMG cici! We are all so sorry to hear that. Know that we are thinking about you all & praying for a speedy recovery. Please let every 1 know that all of us in our sandbox wish the best. Take care of each other & we will save your pails, & shovels until you can chunk sand at us! 😀 love you guys!
06/06/2013 at 2:24 pm
This just infuriates me!
06/06/2013 at 2:37 pm
There has to be SOME way to stop her. 👿 Are they even coming from her or is someone else doing the actual copying??????????
06/06/2013 at 2:37 pm
Ditto! Guess we should let everyone know that wants to buy them that when sitting for a coworker's two cats, she had them locked in a room for 2 weeks and nearly killed them.
06/06/2013 at 2:47 pm
06/06/2013 at 2:49 pm
Ya have to remember that she ❓ is selling to the loon (no offense to the bird) so I doubt telling them anything is going to do any good!!!! WTH anyone would even want something from her is beyond me 😯
06/06/2013 at 3:22 pm
Wow! How "ironic"! She abuses Travis, then claims to want to help "DV Survivors". She nearly kills her friends cats and kicks "Doggy Boy" (probably to death) and now wants to help save animals? It would be funny if the circumstances weren't so tragic.
06/06/2013 at 4:11 pm
Hi FOL! So true and soon after Travis' Legacy Fund has an operational website and that one of the charity efforts listed is for animal no kill sanctuaries she comes out with this crapola! How transparent.
06/06/2013 at 4:31 pm
OMG !!!!!!! As a TRUE animal lover I am beyond enraged at this. I am sure that she tortured or killed many more animals than just doggie boy and the cat. To hurt an innocent, helpless animal is the epitome of evil. And then to say you are contributing to animal charities is an utter hypocracy. I hate her so much !
06/06/2013 at 3:25 pm
I don't think so and I want her to come back soon!!!! It's not the same without our Aussie helping me to maintain my mental health!!!
Me too!!!!! Syn, you NEED to come back! Now! Where's Robert? HJ? They better not be having Blood Orange Martinis together on o beach somewhere!
06/06/2013 at 3:28 pm
especially NOT without us!!!!!!!!!!! 😦
06/06/2013 at 4:16 pm
Your words are my words!!!
06/06/2013 at 3:34 pm
Thank you all for the well wishes…I'll pass it on to our little circle!!
Ci Ci
06/06/2013 at 3:45 pm
You do that Cici… Tell the circle they better take care of her or you guys "don't want me to go Jodi Arias on your Asses!" 😆
06/06/2013 at 3:36 pm
FOL- Right!!! Not without us anyway!!! I'm sorry that Syn and Crissie had a disagreement, and we love and miss both of them! Crissie has been back, now Syn needs to. Can't we all just "get along?" This is Justice for Travis's blog, and they are BOTH important on this site!
And Robert, HJ?? Hellooooooo?? MMD, if you didn't scroll up, I did get your addy…Thank you "mom!" Please pray for Florida and all the others that are in harms way of the hurricaine…. My relatives in OK got hit the second time around with the tornadoes, (within feet of it) but thankfully survived the bullets there too thank God!!!
06/06/2013 at 3:38 pm
sorry I meant CHRISSIE!!! Damn I can never remember how you spell it until I look at a post! Thanks for the "juan, finishing her off" pict!!! Priceless!!!!
06/06/2013 at 4:00 pm
Hellooooooo Janetooooooooo! So well said my sweet! Personal disagreements don't belong here, everyone one of us here simply wants Justice for Travis and his loved ones! (oh and maybe a little suffering for JA…)
I'm so happy to hear your family managed to stay out of harms way! My niece and her family missed out as well, by about 10 miles!
06/06/2013 at 4:05 pm
Thanks FOL! Glad your family missed out too! Gosh, to hear what they saw and how close they were is just ovewhelming!! Unimaginable!! Hope this hurricane fizzles out for those east coast peeps!! Crazy weather!!!
06/06/2013 at 4:11 pm
Oh, and "a little suffering for JA" is the UNDERSTATEMENT of the century!!!! 😉
06/06/2013 at 4:23 pm
I so strongly agree that personal attacks and disagreements have NO place on this blog. I'm hopeful that Syn will recognize that this won't happen again and that she will rejoin our sandbox, that she is such a vital part of!
06/06/2013 at 3:49 pm
janeto :
Platter???? You mean "Poopoo plater?"
😳 platter….damn!
06/06/2013 at 4:02 pm
Ok, ok, WTH??? 😯 where did everyone go??? Are you all having those drinks without me??? 😛
06/06/2013 at 4:02 pm
janeto :
You do that Cici… Tell the circle they better take care of her or you guys "don't want me to go Jodi Arias on your Asses!"
Ha ha ha ha….funny you said that!! that phrase has become part of our vocabulary when we're nagging each other and the first thing we told her when she came out of her anesthesia! We got a smile out of her when we said, "you better do what the nurses tell you to do and not go all Jodi Arias on them!!" she just smiled and gave us a "thumbs up" to let us know she understood!
06/06/2013 at 4:07 pm
Well good thing!! A smile outta her at least!! You keep on telling her that for me, cuz I'm from Texas, and things get REAL big here! Knives as well!! 😀
06/06/2013 at 4:31 pm
Does anyone know if there's a place that has all of the unsealed documents? Some of the ones listed above were so dam funny! Juan has spunk!! I love him more everyday!
06/06/2013 at 7:08 pm
Baily, the only one's that the media has so far released are posted upstairs by nyccowgirl! I'm sure that more juicy ones will dribble out in the days/weeks ahead.
06/06/2013 at 5:06 pm
Yeah – where has CC'C been??????? Said hi downstairs
Hi CC,
Wishing a speedy recovery to the oldest hen. Best wishes to all in your circle.
Hello All……we've been reading from time to time but currently focusing our full attention to one of our ol hens. Our oldest hen went in for emergency surgery recently. Totally unexpected and scary. Two of us took her for a routine check-up and an MRI was ordered. Next day she was rushed for emergency surgery to have a "stint" (sp?) inserted into her carotid artery! It was 85% closed and she was on the verge of a severe stroke. We got her through that but she is scheduled to go back for another stint in her other artery and one in her leg. She's been very depressed lately so we've been keeping our normal schedule of activity with very little attention given to JA or these other horrific trials going on. We check now and then to see what's up but we're not watching any trials or HLN at this time. We'll probably get back in slowly as it nears sentencing for JA because we want to see her gone for good and Justice for Travis finally served however our main concern right now is our dearest and oldest ol Hen. Thank you for wondering where we are, but we are definitely here in spirit!! Love the updated posts. Keeps us from stumbling our way through the internet. That never worked for us! Take care everyone and stay safe and sane!!
06/06/2013 at 6:18 pm
awww CC's: Sorry bout your oldest hen, and TG you all are there for her! Here's another prayer for her for a speedy healthy recovery! And for all you hens, just love that humor you used re her going Arias on the staff! Wishing you all the best 🙂
06/06/2013 at 6:29 pm
If it wasn't for all the evilness that reeks from that ho, it would be a bit comical on just how transparent she is! Sooo beyond disgusting that she tries to mirror the goodness and grace of TA. She still thinks she can beat him at anything and everthing- she is just such a waste of human skin.
She is possesed by the Devil
06/06/2013 at 6:39 pm
You got that right!!! I sometimes find myself just chucking at some of the WAY out things this Ho comes up with!! Cynical chuckle that is!!
06/06/2013 at 6:52 pm
she sure has a way to bring out the hate in people.
what a legacy SHE leaves behind. 👿 😈
06/06/2013 at 7:23 pm
Two years after the conclusion of the Scott Peterson trial, a book written by 7 members of the jury along with 2 journalists, called "We the Jury" came out. I bought it 2 years later on Amazon for 1 cent and re-read it in May. It is their account of the trial. The book was sobering. It portrayed a real life look at what the jurors sacrificed during the course of the nearly 6 month trial and what took place in their minds during the long ordeal.
From their book I did get a very real sense that the jurors set out on their judicial task with objectivity and without any preconceived determination of guilt or innocence. Peterson initially made a good impression on the jury. In fact, they were initially leaning toward innocence based on the strong start of Peterson's defense, combined with the prosecution's sputtering beginning.
Peterson had what most others on death row do not have and that was a million dollar defense. With multiple high priced jury consultants and expert witnesses, and still the overwhelming circumstantial evidence convicted him. If there ever was a case of divine intervention, it was when Lacy and Conner's bodies washed up on shore.
The form of the narrative is akin to a conversation that flows back and forth in time. The jurors talk about days overflowed with emotion, heartfelt pain and exhaustion. To keep things in context and fully understand what they saw and heard, readers get a capsule view of the story as it unfolded in real life and in the trial. Much of the material is familiar to anyone who followed the story but I enjoyed getting a sense of how the jury came to its conclusions and the impact this experience has had on their lives.
What a superb jury who were chosen to determine the fate of Scott Peterson. It is obvious, after reading the book, that the jury was filled with responsible folks who took their jobs very seriously and professionally. I am in awe of them and our system of justice. This jury should be commended for their service to the people of California.
Although the book seems intended to praise the jury system in general and this group of jurors in particular, I believe it inadvertently raises questions about the appropriateness of the current system for the 21st century. First, complex trials impose a huge financial hardship on jurors. As a result, these juries tend to be composed of employees from government offices and large corporations – those whose companies will pay them during jury service. This selection process creates a bias: these employees tend to be rule-followers, at home in bureaucracies, who won't color outside the lines. I suspect they score low on tolerance of ambiguity (i.e., they see things in black and white). This is just my own bias.
Some of the jurors that I considered to be perplexing choices from a defense point of view were a paramedic/fireman from Half Moon Bay whose job is to save people's lives; and a PG&E engineer who coached youth groups. The doctor-lawyer was employed by a company, not private practice. Despite the life-saving and interest in youth, these folks enjoy rule-bound work lives. They accept "the system." And they're not likely to question rules…perfect for the prosecution. The Dr-lawyer notably, was removed, apparently because his style of reasoning differed so greatly he couldn't participate in deliberations. Finally, jurors were emotionally and in some cases financially exhausted. In a way, they're victims of the court. The judge, defense attorney and district attorney all get paid. Even when they're not earning the cool million supposedly paid to Mark Geragos, they're earning a comfortable salary. Why not create panels of paid professional juries — people who are trained in logic, reasoning, lie detection and psychology?
For a few of them it meant only receiving the $15/day stipend as their jobs did not cover payment of their salaries for such a long trial (May-Dec). A handful of them worked nights several days a week and then stayed alert all day in court – how I don't know! A few worked nearly around the clock on the 3 day weekends to support themselves, as there was no court each Friday.
Jury service has often been compared to military service as a duty of citizenship. Yet injured soldiers get help; injured jury members get next to nothing. The last chapter poignantly describes what appears to be post traumatic stress syndrome and actually it turns out that a few jury members post trial were diagnosed with this. The jury members' lives are affected forever. An entire chapter covers how much they collectively struggled over how to interpret the judge's instructions at each stage of deliberations and exactly how they were to weigh the "aggravating and mitigating" circumstances presented.
All of them needed to "stretch" and get to know each other. Greg Jackson (an M.D. and attorney) replaced the first person booted off the jury panel; that individual was dismissed because of his inability to follow rules. He clearly was a pro-defense juror but got replaced for repeatedly talking with others about the case. Jackson's medical and legal background was the basis for his becoming the obvious choice to be foreman. He filled 19 steno books of notes while others took hardly any. Jackson accepted the role but would soon be embroiled in a series of disputes that threatened the outcome of the trial. Not a good sign. He eventually was excused due to personality conflicts with other jurors. When he was replaced, the entire process began again when strawberry shortcake replaced him.
Through the continuing grueling days and sleepless nights, one more juror would be dismissed. The chaos and stress of any jury deliberations are difficult under the best of circumstances, but these people felt they had been thrown curve after curve. After all, this was a death penalty case, and each time a juror was replaced they had to go back to the very beginning to bring that person up to date. They were exhausted, frustrated, angry, sad, agreeable, disagreeable and not allowed to watch most television or read newspapers.
As the book concludes, readers learn the toll this experience has taken on the jurors who continued to be victims of the jury system. Some suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome and have flashbacks, some had nightmares, physical pain, anxiety, depression and some received death threats. Currently San Mateo County does offer jurors psychological help following a trial but they did not at the time that this book was written. Collectively they all had hopes that sharing their experiences would open up a discussion about what jurors suffer in the worst high-profile cases. I consider them a very brave group.
The jurors had no regrets about what they faced and their decision to convict Peterson and send him to death row. Despite argument, disagreements and philosophical differences, they concluded unequivocally that [he] committed a heinous double murder and deserved the ultimate punishment.
The penalty deliberations were very intense. A few had chest pains, all experienced anxiety. The initial vote was 6 for death and 6 for life. After a few more days the vote was 11 for death and 1 for life. The postman, who is a devout Catholic, identified himself as the hold out. He asked for each juror to say why he or she chose death over life. He wanted to make sure everyone was certain about their vote. He said that he listened carefully as each juror gave their reasons for voting for death and also to each person's best attempt to convince him that death was the only lawful verdict.
Prior to the final vote being taken the postman pulled his chair away from the table to the corner of the room by the window. A few jurors described seeing him pressing his two hands together in a prayer mode and mumbling something under his breath. One of those jurors directly reminded him that his religious views could not be considered according to the law, and that only aggravating and mitigating factors could determine the verdict. They continued the discussions of weighing the mitigating and aggravating factors only, for another hour and then had their final vote.
06/07/2013 at 5:52 am
Nancy-Thank you for this summary of the book. It def gets you thinking about how big of a job the jury panel really has.I respect how the SP jury pulled together no matter how much was thrown at them. They didn't give up. They listened to each others views. They had each others backs. The story about the Catholic man shows the team work this panel had. They respectfully did what he needed them to do on order to help him. Through the rollercoaster of emotions, financial hardships, physical exhaustion and endless hours and total devotion they ultimately came up with the right verdict. I'm not saying "right " verdict because that's what I felt was right. Isay it becauae they got it right based on all the real evidence presented. Just as the JA evidence presented to this jury was rock solid. Unfortunately, the only rock solid was the foreman's neuticles desire to play pop rocks with Stabbys grand canyon!
Off to anger management class now. My posts have been very angry outbursts lately lol. Sorry 😦 It's Stabitha's faullt!
06/07/2013 at 8:06 pm
Unfortunately, the only rock solid was the foreman's neuticles desire to play pop rocks with Stabbys grand canyon! Off to anger management class now.
Oh Bailey !!! Best laugh I've had today. 🙂
06/07/2013 at 10:04 am
Hey, NancyB, I read and still have this book. It was an excellent look at what that jury went through. I was always struck by the fact that they tried very, very hard to find reasons NOT to send Scott Peterson to death row and just kept coming back to it and they were very candid in saying that his courtroom demeanor had some part to play in it. His complete lack of affect, not a tear shed when horrible photos of Laci and Connor were shown, what they perceived as a complete lack of remorse for what they had already found him guilty of doing. I'm sure there were women who found him attractive (although he's not monstrous looking, I always thought his smile reminded me of the Joker, Batman's nemesis) but everyone was able to look at the crime he was on trial for. Wish they had replaced the foreman on this trial as was done in Peterson's trial.
06/07/2013 at 8:21 pm
So do I. Another thing about the Peterson jurors – when Strawberry Shortcake's car went kaput one of her fellow jurors lent her $1000 bucks even though he had his own financial difficulties. They were all truly amazing people.
06/06/2013 at 7:23 pm
Ginger :
I agree with you about the deposits I believe she took money out of an account that was used to pay for the Bmw .travis had texted balance your checkbook and had mentioned being embarrassed about the account being negative ..she then borrow $800.00 from Paul stern before her trip she made those deposits knowing travis would ask about the money then she called and told him she was going to be in town and would write him those checks right before he left to cancun if some one owes you money your going to let them pay you..she also contacted dt.flores and asked about the checks and she knew she could pay Paul stern back because travis would be dead ..how is she so concerned about money on the trip but never uses the 800.00 cash she had I wish they would have looked into this in detail.
I didn't know all that information about the money and checks. Thank you for sharing! She is something else.
06/06/2013 at 9:32 pm
New from KPHO Phoenix – Juror Questions in PDF:
06/06/2013 at 11:35 pm
Good find, Nancy! I liked #322. Seemed like a fair question to me.
06/07/2013 at 12:11 am
Hello all who are in vicinity and those who wander over,
I'm mostly caught up– Mr Ed's mother, Susie Q, has alzheimers, but FOL 's son, who just
got a new set of neuticles,finished his year at law school but is worried that he might end up as a horsemeat sandwich at a Jack-in-the-box. Okay. Got it.
Let's see:
.Capt Bubble lost a mate..R.I.P; Beans gave away all his "Rear, its only natural cards."
Ginger among those who don't believe all the sex talk. Superb tributes posted on Travis Memorial Day from Chrissi A and Nienna!Bailey good and janna and Jil with great written posts.
Melanie & FOL great posts on AZ sentencing.
Kristi gets 2 HaHa Awards–the Pro Boner and the
¿Dónde está el Starbucks más cercano?
nycowgirl-post on sidebars TY. CCC's and the Hens' Stent–hang in there! We with you in spirit. Anna! God bless you; always running about the BBQ and getting the dj to get the right music .
MMD, so sorry!, still having puter problems and Beans kid is lost in the mail. Syntara and HJ here in spirit. NancyB great post on Peterson jury; I ordered the book. Still no Observer or Jim or Tracey , Janeto good to see again; I think I saw dpforjodi swing by. Anyone I missed? Sorry.
For my own few days away, I have been thinking of what exactly fuels the continuance of our concerns for Travis. I think I accept that he had justice done as good as it's gonna happen. I think the two juries will eventually be considered unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and the AZ plan to eliminate the LWP sentence will clear things up a lot for them so that they could eventually discontinue it.
I never got clear that the jury didn't have to consider the parole issue; their charge was "life" or "death" and the Judge would determine which "life." It is inconceivable to me that the Judge wouldn't respond as the legislature intended, and deny any concept of parole to a convicted first degree murderer.. All the talk of "parole" had me thinking that they must have to consider the felony-murder charge; which was not the case. I will root for Juan to get a DP, but deep down I will think of it as a vengeful cause with a scent of double jeopardy to it. LWOP is a perfect penalty for wobo.And using that instead of the DP, will save money, time, and a sense of closure for victims, in addition to insuring that an innocent person isnt executed.
I also started two books on related issues of this case. Scott Turow's short book on serving on a death penalty panel in Illinois,"Ultimate Punishment," and another book by Susan Herman, called "Parallel Justice":
.." central characteristic of parallel justice is that it maintains that restoring the victim is as much a responsibility of the government as apprehending and prosecuting criminals. This feature lends great credence and legitimacy to the overall chief responsibility of the state to protect its citizens."
This is the book that Wendy Murphy was trying to write I think.It tries to establish a mindset that incorporates the victim into the whole equation of what constitutes "justice."
See you all around the campus!
06/07/2013 at 1:41 am
Wow, Robert! U covered us all! U r such an intelligent writer and u put thoughts into words so eloquently.
I agree with u about justice being done as good as it is going to get. However, I think, with me, I want to see things finalized. I want to know there is either lwop or death. I don't want appeals and parole looming over the family. There needs to be something definitive.
I wonder what u meant about .." In addition to assuring that an innocent person isn't executed." Wobo doesn't fit in this scenario because she admitted the killing, right?
Don't u also ever think that she will make a nice little life for herself in prison if she gets life instead of death?
I envy all the great reading u do. I have a lot I'd like to read, but I don't spend my time wisely and haven't read in a long time. There doesn't seem to b enough hours in the day.
Take care Robert!
06/07/2013 at 2:34 pm
"I wonder what u meant about .." In addition to assuring that an innocent person isn't executed." Wobo doesn't fit in this scenario because she admitted the killing, right?"
Jill- when I typed that sentence, I thought it was worded poorly–and you proved it! I meant to say that I was glad that the movements to get DP were being changed to get LWOP. I was speaking "in general" not about wobo.
06/07/2013 at 2:23 am
I'm laying in bed and can't sleep because I'm thinking about NG saying all the inmates love Jodi. Why? I know she's great at her sneaky snake manipulating games but i thought these inmates were in tune to that bullshittery?? It really irks me to hear this. I know it's trivial crap but knowing this scum bucket dirty deformed hoo ha skank in the box was enjoying herself the past 5 yrs with her fellow inmate bff's makes me sick! Ok, I'm probably over reacting but i appreciate this sandbox that allows me to cleanse my anger. Breathe.Thank you. Phew, now i can sleep peacefully.
FOL- Do you know if they sell hoo-haticles? Maybe we can send one to Wobo 😉
06/07/2013 at 8:57 am
Good Morning Bailey! I believe that the idea that felons are somehow sophisticated and streetwise is a myth. Jails arent full of Tony Sopranos. Those women aren't smart enough to know crystal meth is a bad idea, or those ridiculous, handmade, unfinished prison tattoos on their neck and head that will scream "convict" to anyone they encounter for life; so is it any surprise that they don't realize Jodi is bad too?
I too get angry at the thought of her enjoying life. Try to take comfort in the fact that Jodi has to be painfully aware that these women are NOT Sky Hughes. Remember Jodi always tried to insinuate herself with people who were higher than herself on the socio-economic scale. Here she is at the bottom. She is being forced to be friends with these women, who I'm sure she would never even look at in other circumstances.
How about that Brett Seacat? Male Jodi or what?
06/07/2013 at 9:14 am
Hi Kristi – yep definitely a male Jodi. Scary to think that they come in all shapes, sizes, genders, blah, blah, blah……… Truly scary!!! 😦
06/08/2013 at 2:09 am
Catbyte- Im very sorry to hear about your dad. I can completely understand what you are feeling. I also lost my dad, 6 years ago and the pain is still so fresh. I miss him every day. I can also relate to feeling cheated. My dad died at 58. Feels so wrong.
Kristi-Thank you for your input…it opened my eyes to the reality that all inmates are not street smart and in tune to people like her. It's society thay makes us believe these myths and i never really stopped and thought about it so i appreciate your post. In movies and the news they portray inmates to be these rough and tough bullies who would shred Jodi! You are 100% right when you say Jodi would never hang out with these people outside jail..never give them the time of day. I wish they were able to see right thru her.
As for Brett Seacat…never heard of him. I def need to google him now. 🙂
06/07/2013 at 9:17 am
Good Morning MMD!
06/07/2013 at 9:34 am
Morning Kristi 😀 Not many in the sandbox today. I'm watching another hearing, not the male Jodi, this morning if they ever get the technical difficulties worked out 😉 Hope no one suffered any severe damage with the storms which are starting here tonight.
06/07/2013 at 12:47 pm
Sidebar Transcript, April 4
Ms. Willmott: What's hearsay? She's not quoting anybody. I'm not understanding what the hearsay is.
Mr. Martinez: Well, then maybe you ought to go back to law school. I mean, she's talking about an item, an out-of-court statement. How else could she have gotten that knowledge from other than out-of-court statement offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted. I think it's under, I think, it's 801 Arizona rules of evidence.
Ms. Willmott: Well, I'm really familiar with hearsay, especially after this trial. I'm also familiar with what hearsay is not, and this is what we've been discussing. She's been talking about subject matter this whole time.
The Court: Where are you going with this? What are you trying to elicit?
Ms. Willmott: The fact that they have an argument and that she can read about it in text messages and that Mr. Alexander swearing at her and she hangs up on him.
I mean, I can lead her through it and ask for those two questions if it makes it easier.
The Court: And why is that important to her opinion?
Ms. Willmott: Why? Because he's swearing at her. It's evidence of verbal abuse. It's also evidence of his escalation because they are fighting and his verbal abuse is getting worse as we get towards into April.
The Court: Okay. So the gist of all this is that she's read it, they have an argument, he swears at her. And this is evidence that she believes shows that there's an escalation and verbal abuse.
Ms. Willmott: Yes.
The Court: Okay. You can go into that part of it, but not the specifics about the argument or not what he calls her or anything else, just that there was swearing.
Ms. Willmott: I mean, if I'm allowed to specifically ask her a question without getting objected to for leading, I'll do that.
Mr. Martinez: Well, no. I don't want her. I want her to ask the questions–
Ms. Willmott: I can't prevent what she says.
The Court: Well, it's not leading to ask is this text about argument between the parties. That's not suggesting the answer.
Ms. Willmott: Okay.
The Court: So you can do that.
Ms. Willmott: All right.
Mr. Nurmi: Before we move off the topic of verbal abuse, I'm going to ask the court to admonish Mr. Martinez. Yesterday he said that he would kill himself if he was married to Miss Willmott, now he says at bench that she should go back to law school. I think of those comments are totally inappropriate and should be, at least– very least– admonished by this Court.
Mr. Martinez: I didn't hear what he said. I would like for him to say that again.
The Court: He didn't hear you.
He's asking the court to admonish you for making a comment about killing yourself because if you were married to Miss Willmott. Counsel, I understand some of this is tongue in cheek, some of it is just the stress of trial, but let's try to be as professional as possible when we have these bench conferences.
Mr. Martinez: And I would note – that's fine – admonish Miss Willmott also on the record, so it's not like we can sit up here and complain about one side.
06/07/2013 at 1:09 pm
The media was jumping all over the place after this was released about the "shocking" , "disrespectful", "condescending", etc. comments at the sidebar and whether or not the judge should have reigned them in. I thought it was funny and made me laugh. It just showed that JM has a sense of humour and Gidget and Wurmi are whiners which we already knew. 😉
it was mind numbing the amount of people I heard being interviewed about these comments and I wasn't on for long. Aren't there more important things to worry about like the tornadoes and the hurricane yesterday?????? just sayin'
Thanks for posting Al and if you discover any more please post them 😀
06/07/2013 at 12:52 pm
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06/07/2013 at 1:41 pm
Did anyone else read the juror questions where the juror foreman said it wasn't their intention to come back the first time with a hung jury, it was only a question on what to do if it were to happen?
06/07/2013 at 5:07 pm
Transcript of the Jan 31 in-chambers hearing that put the phone sex recording into evidence.
06/07/2013 at 7:29 pm
Thanks for finding this!!! I assumed there must have been a battle behind the scenes in re: to this tape being in evidence, but it was very interesting to see to what extent. I still want to know the truth about the helophone- so much of it being "lost" and then coincidentally "found" doesn't add up.
06/08/2013 at 4:37 pm
Just read it Nancy and JM put up a good fight but the defense was talking out of both sides of their mouths. Not for the truth of the matter my hineybutt!!!!!!!!!! 😉
06/07/2013 at 9:13 pm
Ty Nancy.
I so wish that was never allowed. That was recorded illegally without his knowledge.
06/07/2013 at 10:37 pm
Hi Jill, Don't get me started! I had a full blown rant about this very issue a few weeks back and HJ Madison had to talk me down!
06/07/2013 at 11:49 pm
uh oh, Nancy, I missed that. Pretend u never read my post..lol…
06/07/2013 at 5:18 pm
This is addressed to Donchais and everyone else on this blog. I wasn't going to say anything about this, but I feel like I should. When I asked Syntara if I could contact her off of the blog because I wanted her input on something, I did not realize it was going to cause some unpleasant history between Chrissie A and her to surface. Even though I don't owe anyone an explanation, I am going to say this. It seemed to be taken that I was looking for some sort of free therapy or consultation from Syntara and that was not the case. For one thing, in addition to the things I've shared about myself on here the one thing I have not mentioned yet is that I am going to school, pursuing a degree in Criminal Justice with a minor in Psychology. I have about four classes left for my Associate Degree and then will be going after my Bachelor's. Syntara has a lot of similar interests and experiences that I wanted to draw from. She also lives in a part of the world that I would very much like to visit and I didn't feel that discussing any of that on this blog was appropriate. If I did something unethical or against the rules of this blog, I apologize. I had seen other bloggers put personal information or say they wanted to discuss things elsewhere so I thought it was okay. I really enjoy this blog and it's the only one I felt truly comfortable on, and I find the people on here very interesting with excellent observations and some of their stories are heartbreaking, but everyone seems respectful most of the time and has a common goal is seeking justice for Travis Alexander. I hope Syntara comes back on here because I know there are several people here who got a lot out of her posts, but that is her decision. I just feel bad that I unintentionally set this off.
06/07/2013 at 5:56 pm
Hi Kathy! {{waves by the way}}}}…..Congratulations on your pursuance! I am happy for you in your path! Thank you, but personally, in my opinion, you didn't need to explain yourself. You were, in my book correct in taking it off blog to draw from Syn. Chrissie is awesome also, so I'm happy she stayed on…. It's just something that happened, and I'm sorry you feel bad in what transpired. It wasn't your fault. Just unfortunately sometimes things happen. We all have great respect for all on here, and I'm sure it will get back on even keel on this blog. Yes, we all wish Syn to come back, to share what we have all learned so much from, but as you've said, it's her decision. We all try to stay on focus for Justice for Travis, yet sometimes when trials aren't happening, we drift. We are only human and "mom" has been very lenient with us to not go too far down the wrong path, and puts us in the naughty corner when needed. She is awesome, and so are the people on here. My take, bygones, be bygones.. and let's continue to respect all. Hope everything works well for you in your career! You will be great!!! Take care and see you on campus. (as Robert says) 😆 I didn't proofread this so I hope it doesn't sound stupid. Just wanted to get this out there….
06/07/2013 at 6:52 pm
Janeto – green or blue you are the best! 🙂
06/07/2013 at 9:58 pm
Well said Janeto.
06/10/2013 at 4:45 pm
Janeto- Excellent post! Everything you said was so true. I would like to add that We are all adults here. Every single person on here has posted and contributed many great things that either educated us, brought some interesting points, opinions, articles (not to be confused with neuticles) news updates and videos in the JA/TA case, along with amazing stories shared, both tragic and happy. Since I have been on here I have seen so much love, caring and kindness between everyone. I can't forget to mention the Times we have laughed til we peed. I learned to empty my bladder before coming on lol. On my worst days you guys have brought sunshine to me with your hilarious sense of humor!
I feel honored to have met all of you in front of our computer screens from all over the world. We have met because of a tragic story about an amazing and inspiring man….Travis Alexander. This man who was the glue for his family is now the glue who brought all of us together.
Justice For Travis.
06/07/2013 at 6:24 pm
Hi Kathy!!
Bless you for this comment that has offered proof positive clarification that absolutely nothing nefarious was happening. So many of us *knew* that at the time that this dust up happened but it's a fine thing that you have shared this. You are amazing! With serious health problems and after helplessly watching your DH being murdered you are proof positive of creating an entirely new and exciting chapter come to life! Your son must be so proud of you. I know that I am. And I am highly doubtful that you did anything incorrect by exchanging addy's with a CFJ member who very willingly immediately responded to your inquiry. I'm sure that if I am wrong about this that our mom will correct me! While many of us have experienced some very tragic and rough patches I don't consider any of us to be suckers or naive. We are all adults and even though motivations may have been protective, my belief is that all the peeps here are extremely caring and upright people, or I would never have invested so much of my time, energy and efforts posting here.
06/07/2013 at 6:39 pm
Thanks for adding NancyB. 😎
06/07/2013 at 10:00 pm
As always Nancy you nail it.
06/07/2013 at 6:57 pm
Kathy, bravo to you! We all knew you (and Syn) did nothing wrong. But I thank you for having such steadfast integrity to make it clear, and absolving Syn, from sandbox sin! As Nancy said so well, we are all adults here, and not naive "suckers". We can assess for ourselves as to whether there are peeps here of ill will… I for one have learned so much, from so many here, and although we occasionally get hit by "troll like behaviors", Donchais has been a protective mother, and kept our sandbox vermin free.
Kathy, I'm so proud of you for perusing a new and exciting life! After the horrific things you have gone through, you have refused to be broken- I have enormous admiration for your strength and courage. I'm sure that whatever you choose to do with your education, you will no doubt help so many in your new career.
06/07/2013 at 9:19 pm
Thank you for the comments and I do feel better. As I said, I enjoy reading everyone's points of view, their humor, and their stories. Many times while I was still just lurking, I would be angry over some talking head on HLN and I would come to this blog and find that quite a few others had the same feelings or comments and I felt better. 🙂 Not sure what I'm going to do with the degree but it's the sense of accomplishment that I think I'm seeking right now. Hugs to you all. 🙂
06/10/2013 at 4:58 pm
I commend you as well for all you have been thru and turning this negative situation into something positive which you should be proud of. I bet that sense of accomplishment feels great! You deserve to feel good things now. I don't know you personally but you seem like a sweet amd caring person. Another thing you should be proud of. Good luck to you 🙂
06/10/2013 at 5:46 pm
P.S. I know it's none of my business but since we are all talking serious and spilling our feelings i wanted to say one more thing. Before i started posting, I had lurked alot for months because iloved Donchias's trial updates and all the posts discussing the case. I don't believe your post regarding contact with Syn had anything to do with the Chrissie/Syn issue. Like i said,i lurked for a long time.It was awesome of you to come forward and say what you felt. A very honorable and humble thing to do. Chrissie stated it wasn't directed at you and its the truth so you shouldn't feel bad as you did nothing wrong. How and why you contacted Syn was harmless and the right way to do it.
I feel bad Syn doesn't post anymore but like you said, it's her decision. It's just a shame off topic issues made her leave but Syn did say she wanted to leave this blog previously so it's something that she thought about before.
Again, it's none of my business but I felt Kathy should believe Chrissie. That being said, Unless we know the real truth no one should take sides or get involved. It was between Syn & Chrissie. We should put that issue aside and as you said Kathy, we are here for one thing. Justice for Travis.
Please don't be mad at me or steal my sandbox toys because of this post. I just want the sandbox to be happy. I feel bad.
06/07/2013 at 6:37 pm
Jodi Arias ~ Coping in Solitary Confinement –
Carl ToersBijns Carl ToersBijns
06/07/2013 at 7:01 pm
Thanks Nancy, I think I'm going to sleep just a little bit better tonight after hearing this.
06/07/2013 at 7:12 pm
Hi Nance! I've just finished watching this, and I'm all tingly with anticipation of this being JA's undeniable reality! Thank you for posting this! Now I'm going to head up and read the "sex tape transcripts"- I've missed a lot these past couple of days!
06/07/2013 at 6:44 pm
Unsealed chambers discussion about the sex tapes.
06/07/2013 at 7:22 pm
Robert exits Rotterdam :
Hello all who are in vicinity and those who wander over,
I'm mostly caught up– Mr Ed's mother, Susie Q, has alzheimers, but FOL 's son, who just
got a new set of neuticles,finished his year at law school but is worried that he might end up as a horsemeat sandwich at a Jack-in-the-box. Okay. Got it.
Let's see:
Robert, I'm thinking that this is the best summation you've done to date! My son finished his 1st year of Law School today, and headed straight to Jack in the Box to celebrate! Please note, son protests the idea of him being in possession of Neuticles, he says his original set is sufficient, though does admire Seamus's.
06/07/2013 at 7:24 pm
Well, that was a sloppy "edit", mea culpa!
06/07/2013 at 9:05 pm
I'm in agreement! Made my day. 🙂
06/07/2013 at 8:12 pm
Bailey good :
That question was kinda "suspicious" knowing $tabitha did harm a dog. Makes me think one of the jurors may have known about the dog kicking incident via interrogation vids on tv or a friend/family member. Could have been a test to see if she told the truth about it
because she wouldn't have thought a juror would know anything about it. Had she answered that, would Juan be able to spill the whole dog story?
Imo, this was a question i wouldn't expect a jury to ask without a reason. Just seemed left feild to me. What do you guys think?
Bailey – Maybe one of the jurors knew that one of the early indicators of a sociopath is cruelty or killing of animals.
06/07/2013 at 11:53 pm
Exactly. That's what I thought, too.
06/09/2013 at 12:11 am
Ohhhhh ur right. Thanks!
06/07/2013 at 8:38 pm
catbyte4 :
Thank you, Robert. We're starting to. I got a text from Z's sister Mary at noon, and she said that last night was the first night she'd been able to sleep straight through without waking since he was found. I think we'll all be able to begin remembering him with smiles
instead of only tears. Have a great weekend!
Cat – ((((((Hugs)))))) Thank- you for both of the links posted! What a huge relief for Mary. One that the Alexander family & friends have yet to experience.
06/07/2013 at 9:00 pm
catbyte4 :
No, Jill. I'm Ojibway, so no blonde hair, although I guess not being anywhere near a natural blonde didn't stop Stabby from becoming one I
shy away from cameras–always have, LOL. Thanks so much for your kind words. Take care.
Cat! I love the Ojibway Tribe – their culture, creation story; which I find to be very spiritual, and the language. They were a very advanced nation that knew a lot about geometry, higher math. I've seen some of the ancient petroglyphs, some with medicine wheels depicted. I also love dream catchers.
06/07/2013 at 10:13 pm
Donchais, thanks for removing one of my posts, if in fact it was you. Somehow my sign-in changed and included info I didn't to be posted. I didn't realize it until it was too late.
06/07/2013 at 10:15 pm
Sheesh,didn't "intend" to be posted.
06/08/2013 at 12:21 am
Beans :
As always Nancy you nail it.
Beans, I think you've stumbled upon yet another biz card idea….
06/08/2013 at 1:40 am
Ho gang! I'm sorry if this has been discussed already but i Haven't been upstairs yet. If Jodes can't have colored pencils, how is she able to do all this so called "art work?" Even if she was allowed to use them for short supervised periods during the day, there seems to be an awful lot of them. Plus, as they sell them, new ones are continually replaced. Something doesn't smell right. Even if they are traced, it still takes time to color/shade and thumb them. Does anyone think it's possible someone else is actually working with her for a profit of the sales? Maybe someone she blows, i mean knows (those damn typos) is the actual artist, they use her name as they know complete morons out there will pay the sick price….Idk.Just a thought.
One last comment- Isn't it funny how few posts are on her Stabbydidntdoit web site? (which are most likely Donomam,.Matt and Sandy using aliases to make it look like someone gives a shit)
06/08/2013 at 1:55 am
Bailey, you have the best typos!!!! LOL!!! Ya know, I've wondered the same thing? Maybe she has been furnished colored "stubbies"? I hope, I hope, I hope, that when she gets to Perryville, she has no means available to anything but chat with herself in her cubby hole!
How's your son's riding lessons going? Any further talk of Neuticles? I love that you two Googled them! The Ultra Plus seem to have been worth every penny!
06/08/2013 at 11:45 pm
The lessons are going well thank you. Lol colored stubbies!! Good one! As for the neuticles, we joke almost every day about them…imao glad the ultra.plus are working out. I bet the ladies love them 🙂
06/08/2013 at 9:46 am
After I read in an earlier comment about the similarities between JA's plan and the Dana Chandler case in Kansas, I looked up that case. Looks like JA used it as a tutorial. In 2002, Dana Chandler drove a long distance, using gas from five-gallon gas cans, broke into her ex-husband's house in the middle of the night and murdered him and his new squeeze. She also turned off her cell phone on the drive and didn't use credit cards so she wouldn't be placed in the area. They never found the murder weapon and she changed her story several times. It took almost 10 years for the case to come to trial, and it looks like her defense attorneys wanted off the case repeatedly too. She was found Guilty of two counts of 1st Degree Premeditated Murder with the Extreme Cruelty Aggravator, and sentenced in August 2012 to two consecutive Hard-50 year sentences, so she can't come up for parole for at least 100 years. I can only hope Jodi's use of Dana's strategy results in the same tough conclusion.
06/08/2013 at 2:28 pm
From your lips to the new juror's ears.
06/08/2013 at 10:54 am
Good Morning, Everyone!!! I haven't been able to access the sandbox recently so I'm doing alot of catch up. Upstairs, downstairs, it's exhausting but so interesting. I wish I could burn some calories and get some cardio benefits from climbing these virtual stairs. 🙂
i just read the unasked jury questions and noticed in a comment that sme sites have posted them in the jurors handwriting. You can identify which questions were asked by the Foreman because he signed the form when he submitted a question to the judge. Others can be identified as well from info given in interviews.
I was wondering if anyone has seen the handwritten questions and if so do you have a link?
If you do and could post it I'd appreciate it.
I apologize for popping in again with a request after not participating for some time. I was in the hospital with pneumonia for a week and the wifi there wouldn't allow me to access CFJ. It was really frustrating. It certainly,would have helped pass the time. Besides, I don't want to get my trial updates from HLN. **shudders** I'm home now and happy to find the sandbox
Robert, your update upstairs was extremely helpful and, as usual amusing.thankyou for that. :). MMD, FOL, Janeto, Nancy, Kathy, Anna, DP NYC, BUbble, Beans, GM, Bailey, Chrissie, Jill and all other posters, thanks so much for all your comments and updates. I hope you all realize how much your contributions mean.
Finally, Donchais..'m You astonish me daily. Thanks for the sandbox and shovel. I don't know how you do it. So much work to keep the place safe and peaceful, insightful and enlightenîng all while draining you emotionally. Amazing, really.
Im rqmbling on here and I'm on my iPad so please forgive any errors. I am not proofing and I always seem to 'blunder' when typing here.
Once again thanks to all of you for being You. ❤ Especially if you have that link 😉
Gotta run but will check back soon. :).
06/08/2013 at 11:31 am
Hi Deco – I wondered where you had disappeared to but so sorry to hear that you were in the hospital. Yuck, pneumonia and in June, double yuck but I'm glad you're back home and hopefully on the mend!!! I think that it was incredibly inconsiderate for the hospital to not allow you to access us 🙄 I'd file a complaint if I were you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway, I'm watching a hearing this morning so just popped in to say hello and welcome back.
signed, rainy, rainy, damp and more rain in PEI. 😉 but no tornadoes 😀
06/08/2013 at 12:40 pm
Thanks for the hearing reminder – forgot they working today.
06/08/2013 at 1:07 pm
MMD… Hanks for the greeting. Feeling better today but unfortunately while I lay around joneing for CFJ I was told I have neuropathy as well. I look like a drunken fool lately when I'm walking. GAH. !!
I'm curious as to what hearing you're watching today? I could gt not a good trial.
The sun s shining here in South Florida and its nasty and muggy. Yesterday was wonderful. Thunder and downpours…. Nice change from constant sunshine. That gets boring. I hope your weather improves… How do you yet your Kids out for a daily constitution i the rain? When it so much as drizzles here I can't get my guys out the door. They're as good as door stops, just stand there and look at me like I'm crazy.
Catch uppity you later, enjoy the day.give the kids an extra treat from me. 🙂
06/08/2013 at 12:37 pm
Glad you're feeling better Deco, think the link you want was posted by Nancy B – #692.
06/08/2013 at 1:25 pm
Thanks, Beans.
I found out about the questions from Nancy's link. Someone had commented that a couple other sites had the handwritten questions posted. They noted that from the handwriting you could tell which questions were asked by Foreman because he had submited the jury question frm to the judge. You could also tell from the handwriting which were asked by Juror #6 / Tara ? She is the juror that asked JA about telling the truth now.
I thought if anyone had a link to the handwritten ones it would be interesting to see and try to identify how many jurors submitted questions and who asked what
Ack !! I'm a little foggy and suffering from ,periodic brain farts as a result of some meds. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. 😦
06/08/2013 at 3:49 pm
Hi, so sorry u were hospitalized. It must have been pretty severe. Next time check if CFJ works before u get admitted! Lol!
Hope the neuropathy gets better very quickly.
Missed you here!
06/08/2013 at 5:44 pm
Hey Jill. Thanks for good thoughts and sage advice. I might have checked first had I known I would be staying. I only went to ER because my feet and legs were all tingly and numb . It was getting worse over a period of weeks. I ignored it until I started tilting into walls and became totally ungainly. I was frightened enough to finally do something.. On a weekend I had eno alternative but ER. They only discovered the pneumonia after some blood tests and CT scnas? It wasn't a good week or so. But I'm home and all is good for now. E
After months of watching THE Trial and visiting here daily it was so weird to be denied access. The wifi at the hospital works great but for their protection they Denys access to sites they are unfamiliar with. I could go many places but I really was only interested in seeing what you all were talking about, be it a trial or yourselves.
This sandbox is fascinating and addictive. Even if Ypu only lurk much of the time. I'm still not caught up. Climbing back upstairs for a bit, i need the exercise. 😉
06/08/2013 at 11:36 am
Family of Law :
Any further talk of Neuticles?The Ultra Plus seem to have been worth every penny!
Truly FOL, truly 🙄 Did Seamus tell you that or did someone else get a pair?????????? 😉
06/08/2013 at 2:09 pm
Deco – ya poor thing. I really hope that you are feeling better soon. As far as the kids, puppy pads are a godsend. All 3 of them have been trained to go on them which comes in handy if I'm away or if I have a migraine. They even have their own bathroom!!! Plus the oldest at times she can go 4 or 5 times in an hour during the night so it's really convenient. They're like yours' though when they don't want to go out, just like doorstops, especially in the cold.
This is the hearing that I'm watching. (sorry donchais)
06/08/2013 at 3:52 pm
MMD… Puppy pads can be a godsend…..my Little Guy, a Westie could use it. My Big Guy, half Chow half Lab. Uhh, not so much. I think they'd overflow. His dumps are Huge and he probably pees as much as FOL's rescued Baby Both are really good at waiting….sometimes all night. Will not go out in rain.. Lol
Going to check out your link to the hearing. thanks. Also,Returning to topic related commenting . Apologies to those I've bored or irritated .
06/08/2013 at 7:55 pm
It doesn't thrill me that I am posting right after discussion on the size of "dumps" but since you apparently were "in the dumps" being away from "the" trial and "the" sandbox, I'd thought I'd join the chorus of welcome back. and this is where I ended up.
They talk of victimization? Let them spend a week without wifi! (Good you went to the ER–remember Jim Henson didn't do that; should still be alive).
06/08/2013 at 4:30 pm
I was trying to catch up on the blog and noticed the bad feelings a couple of you have for Christian Mingle. That is the reason Christian's say, "We are not perfect: We are just saved." I have tried to keep my relationship with Jesus Christ out of this blog, but I felt I must defend us.
I don't know why bad things happen to good people, I just know that God didn't do it. Yes, if we pick someone that has the same standards and morality we have, we should be safe in having a partner for life. Problem is that person may change.
My daughter is a divorced and remarried Christian. Her first husband, high school sweetheart, was choking her one day, thank God, he came to his senses and stopped. She divorced and remarried.
I was raped as a teen and this is the first time I have mentioned it to anyone. I mentioned it now so you would know that I have not led a charmed life.
I have really developed a great admiration and kinship with you guys. I don't post much because I can learn more from reading than writing. I hope you take this the way it is intended.
God bless.
06/08/2013 at 7:02 pm
Well, hello there JF. Always good to hear from someone who is a "freak" of the person who delivered the Sermon on the Mount. Not a bad choice is my attitude.
Don't quite understand the association between "bad feelings" and "Christian Mingle." I am not aware of such and I read this blog pretty steadily. Oh there might be comments every here and about, regarding "God" or "Jesus" or "Mormon" or "Atheists" or "Organized religion" but aside from a couple of snide remarks, the tone has been pretty respectful in that department, imo. On the other hand ,there is numerous mention in this sandbox of prayers and heaven and spirituality and redemption and forgiveness, as well as charity and belief and compassion.
So, be glad you hopped on the merry-go-round when you did! The sandbox can have people jumping on and off, quite quickly ,and sometimes a thought gets lost or not extended.
We are not perfect in here either; but we are all saved, to a degree, through empathy and self expression. We are always like Helen Keller, when she first associated the feeling in her hand from the faucet, with the word "water." The word had been made flesh.
06/08/2013 at 10:55 pm
Hey, bubble here, checking in to see if anyon's here
06/08/2013 at 11:15 pm
Good night
06/08/2013 at 11:19 pm
Darn, think I just missed u.
06/09/2013 at 10:58 am
Good morning all! {{waves}}}. Hey Deco! Glad to hear you are getting better! I'm sure it was horrible for you being sick!! Hope you get better with each passing day! I agree that the handwritten juror ?'s, you can see which ones the foreman asked by the writing. I was looking for the same thing! I think some of those questions that didn't get asked were pretty good. Wasn't one that was asked that maybe I missed, where they asked WOBO, something along these words…"if you hadn't been caught, would you have gone to the police?" And she said "she really couldn't answer that!" To me that was also sooo telling…. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't notice that one in the release of the juror questions…. Anyway, hope everyone is doing ok today!!!
06/09/2013 at 5:07 pm
Hey Janeto !! **waving back** to you and the others in the sandbox.
You're right, sick is no fun. No Wifi is aklmost worse. Well I had access but hospital blocks 'guests' from sites like CFJ if unfamiliar.l. Br that damn HLN is available wherever you go. 😦
You're right about juror questions. W asst JA asked that during testimony? I was wondering if some of the questions that were not allowed to be posed to JA were worked in on a recrosses by Juan because they sounded familiar. For instance, the one about her height from floor to finger tips when arms raises. That was addressed by Juan when Flores was back on stand testifying about the closet shelves
.i really want to see the handwritten forms. I've been googling for two days and can't find the blogs that have them anywhere. Frustrates me. My brains all scrambled lately so it's probably the search terms I'm using. I know they're out there.
Sorry I missed you earlier… Hope you enjoyed the day. 🙂
06/09/2013 at 11:09 am
Wow! I don't think I have EVER seen this sandbox sooo quiet!!!! Where is everyone?? 😥
Guess I'll wait, and play by myself for now until someone else comes on… 🙄 I'm not very good at talking to myself…. guess I'll count my toes for now… 😆
06/09/2013 at 12:45 pm
Maybe the next jury for the penalty phase should play out the example in this article. They may better understand the reason she should get the DP or LWOP and all appeal rights waived at the minimum!! Some interesting reading from:
SturgeonGirl @sturgeongal 1h
This s/b JM's Opening/Closing for PenaltyRetrial "@DrKRandle: New Post! Is #JodiArias A Good Girl & Why Do You Care? http://kristinarandle.com/blog/the-jodi-arias-trial-is-jodi-a-good-girl-why-do-you-care/ …"
The Jodi Arias Trial: Is Jodi A Good Girl & Why Do You Care?
Shortly after her conviction, Jodi gave a number of interviews. The details of those interviews have trickled out slowly over time. In one of those interviews, the interviewer asked her how hard it would be for her to deal with the fact that she murdered Travis. She responded that it made her feel ugly inside. She then went on to say "I know that's just one day but I feel like even though it shouldn't, it's going to define the rest of my life."
So she doesn't believe that butchering Travis, which only took her one day, should define the rest of her life. Do you believe that's she's right? She also went on to say, as an answer to a follow-up question, "I think I was and still am a good person."
Do you believe that she was and still is a good person? The question that comes up most often when discussing this case and the question that I am most asked in one form or another, is "what's wrong with her?"
Why is this question paramount in the minds of people who are even somewhat familiar with the case? Should it be the number one question that comes to people's minds? The answer is a simple yes. People suspect that there has to be something very seriously wrong with any individual that can behave the way Jodi does. People look at her calm, cool, distant, demeanor and say "that's odd, there has to be something wrong with that girl." People are shocked at her lies and her ability to lie. Then we come to the murder. This wasn't a "girlfriend kills boyfriend" murder. She didn't pick up a gun and shoot him. She didn't pick up a knife and stab him. She stabbed him 29 times, cut his throat from ear to ear, nicking the backbone, and then shot him in the face.
If you haven't already tried this, I would like you to roll up a piece of paper into a long cylindrical shape. Just a single piece of 8 x 10 paper. Now I would like you to take a volunteer or lacking a willing volunteer a coat hanging in your closet.
We know a single sheet of 8 x 10 paper, even one rolled into a loose cylinder, is completely harmless. I want you to take this harmless roll of paper, our pretend knife, and stab the coat or your volunteer, 29 times. I want you to count out loud, as you perform each stabbing motion. If you haven't already tried this, I think you'll be amazed at how long it takes to stab someone 29 times. It isn't a momentary flash of anger. It is instead an amazingly conscious, deliberate act. After five or six stabs, you'll be thinking "wow, 29′s a long time to go." Even if you're only stabbing the air in front of you, you will have the same thought "29 is really a lot."
Let's not let this just be an intellectual exercise, let's actually try it. After you've done this, it will better help you to get inside the mind of Jodi Arias. Stabbing someone 29 times is an effortful, tiring act.
Jodi says she was a good girl when she stabbed Travis all 29 times. She said she was a good girl when she cut his throat clear to the backbone. Is that possible? Can you do the things that she did to Travis and be a good girl? How can she continue to think that she was and is a good girl?
She thinks it's unfair that she will be judged based on what she did on "just one day." I guess in her mind it doesn't matter what you do and how horrendous it is. What does matter, in her mind, is how many days you do it on. So in her mind butchering a human being on just one day, doesn't make her a bad person. I wonder, how many days spent butchering human beings, would in her mind, make her a bad person. Is it two? Probably not, because two is just one more than one. She seemed to quickly and firmly dismiss the idea that butchering on one day was bad. So it's probably safe to assume that two days of butchering is too close to one day of butchering, to make much difference. If you're good after one day of butchering, you're probably good after two days of butchering.
She also thinks it's unfair to be judged by something that only occurred on one day of your life.
Is it safe to say that there's something wrong with Jodi's thinking? Yes, it is very safe to come to that conclusion. You need to ask yourself "what kind of person can think like that?"
Not only are her actions outrageous, her thinking, her mindset, her personal psychology, is an outrage to any decent human being. That is why so many people have been closely following this case. That is why so many people are so deeply invested in this case. They care for some reason.
Some of the talking head intellectuals on television and writing blogs on the net, would have you believe that there is something wrong with you because you care about this case. They come right out and say that your interest is "sick." That your passion makes you a vigilante in a mob. How insulting. How very wrong, they are.
An intelligent caring person, a good person, wants to know how this could happen. They want to know what kind of aberration allows for the existence of people like Jodi Arias. It's not that they did not know that girlfriends murder boyfriends. It's that they did not know that people like Jodi Arias exist in the world. Of course they knew there were bad people. They just didn't know that there were these kind of dangerous people. They want to know, what makes them tick, how they got that way, what they're really like and most importantly how to identify these seemingly normal behaving and looking people.
They also want to know how someone can think that they are now and always were, a "good person" even after savagely butchering another human being.
They also want to know how someone can possibly think that they should not be judged for the savage murder that they committed, because it was just "one day" in their life.
A mob of vigilantes?
06/09/2013 at 1:13 pm
Some of the responses to the article I pasted above:
8 thoughts on "The Jodi Arias Trial: Is Jodi A Good Girl & Why Do You Care?"
jen June 9, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Well written. You are spot on!
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Andy Capp June 9, 2013 at 2:24 pm
In Jodis mind she lived her whole life not getting into trouble and she does just one thing wrong and she gets the Death Penalty, how unfair.
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Linda Moore June 9, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Jodi is supposedly intelligent. But she dropped out of high school to move in with a boyfriend. She went from one male to another including Darryl, a supervisor of hers. She dumped him for Travis. She only held minimum wage unskilled labor jobs. She was obviously capable of a lot more but chose to pin her future on one male at a time, each better in some way than the last. If she would have met someone *better* (richer, better looking, more talented) than TA, then he probably would have been off the hook. But her end goal was TA. I don't believe she loved him. I think he was property that could not be manipulated.
Think back on your own life and what you accomplished by the time you were JA's age when she slaughtered TA. Education, children, careers, volunteerism, etc. Then look at her life of insignificant jobs and relationships. Time was running out on what she wanted out of life and she had invested so much of her time and herself in TA. And what she wanted did not want her. I don't think that was the only reason she killed him, there was an incident that threatened her future. Whatever happened to precipitate the frantic emails from TA to JA is probably what pushed her over the edge. It was bad enough to threaten her way of life and her future.
Jodi is not a good girl and never was, even as a child. She got what she wanted. When she didn't get what she wanted, she flipped out.
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Zelda June 9, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Have been looking for the .."that's just one day"…quote. I know my mouth fell open. That interview is a definning moment regarding Arias. I knew then Arias is truly evil and she became as ugly on the outside as she is on the inside. Thank you for writing about that moment in that interview. Enjoy the information you share and your site. Thanks again.
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Ria June 9, 2013 at 3:19 pm
She's a horrible, evil, cold, calculating waste of human flesh IMO. She's so despised that people actually shuddered at the thought of some poor innocent cancer patient who could possibly be walking around with her hair on their head.
That one day does not "define" her but what she chose to DO on that day most definitely does! Her constant lying and dragging her victim through the mud defines her. Her complete lack of remorse and peeking through her fingers during the trial to view the photo's of her handy work does.
Her name will always be associated with the cold blooded murderess that she is. Nothing she does after this will change that. And it's what she chose to be defined as.
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Tracy June 9, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Thank you Dr Randle! I do consider myself a decent, caring person. I follow many trials and this one left me thinking, how could this happen, how could she be so brutal and go on with business as usual, what makes her tick….just as you mention here. Actually from the day the story broke I found myself asking, "what's wrong with her" and subsequently every time she opened her mouth.
I have read the blogs and even questioned myself. Every so often I take a peek at what the supporters are saying and yesterday I noticed they are STILL talking ad nauseum about it and engaging in online attacks with anyone who supports the truth. Thankfully I know i can come to your website and read your articles and get answers to my questions. I have always been very interested in law and mental health. Thank you for analyzing this case along the way, it's been very helpful!
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Linda K June 9, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Dr KR,
You raise a lot of interesting questions, many of which I suspect will be answered differently depending on the perspective of the person who replies. I would say perspectives are like opinions: everybody has one. =D
My Perspective
I am well into my second half-century of life, now retired. I attended college back in the mid-70s, majoring in Psychology and minoring in Administration of Justice. I completed the required course hours in both studies, and even completed a semester of internship at a mental hospital. Unfortunately, a drastic change in life circumstances prevented me from completing my undergraduate degree within the first ten years from matriculation. I relate all this not to profess any expertise in the area of mental health (I consider myself nothing more than a slightly educated layman in this area) but to provide you with the basis for my perspective and my interest in the Jodi Arias case beyond just being a victim of domestic abuse/violence as I've said in previous posts.
I've said on my own blog that I believe BPD does describe some of the symptoms presented by Jodi Arias but that it seems an insufficient label (i.e. incorrect diagnosis) because it does not account for other symptoms which fall outside the BPD criteria. I choose to describe Jodi as having "psychopathy" because that is the label I am familiar with using to describe her particular abnormal behaviors and thought processes. Whether or not that label is synonymous with "sociopathy" is an issue for the professionals to debate. Labels and their definitions change over time and my eduction in the field is remote and limited.
Is Jodi A Good Girl & Why Do You Care?
The simple answers are "No" and "I don't."
To me personally, Jodi is simply a Case Study in criminal behavior driven by a disturbed mind. When I first learned of her, I thought the central theme of her trial would be simply a claim of self-defense by an abuse victim. Oops. I was so wrong. Her case turned out to be much more complex and therefore much more interesting to me.
What kind of person can think like that?
"Nobody ever does anything they don't think is a good idea at the time they do it," a professor of abnormal/deviant psychology once said to my class back in the 70s. If you can accept that premise, it becomes much easier to understand behavior that is otherwise incomprehensible to a healthy mind.
Jodi exhibits narcissistic behavior. In her mind she was, is and always will be "a good person."
Conversely, she also believes Travis was "a bad person." To Jodi's pathological way of thinking, killing "a bad person" was/is a good idea. This is why she presents as incapable of remorse and without a conscience (another psychopathic criteria). Jodi sincerely believes Travis abused her because abuse, to a narcissist, need be nothing more than another person's failure to provide respect and adoration to the degree they believe they deserve. It is abuse because it wounds the self image of a narcissist; abuse because the narcissist believes it is unjustified and undeserved.
Jodi is incapable of understanding how the "killing" of "a bad person" who "abused" her is such a big deal to the rest of us just as she's incapable of understanding how any of her other "bad" behaviors can be viewed as bad. She can give you "good" and "pure" reasons for every "bad" thing she ever did. And this is precisely what makes a psychopath (or sociopath, if you prefer) so very very dangerous.
06/09/2013 at 5:38 pm
CiCi?s Circle.
Interesting article, thank you. Sending good thoughts to your Crcle and the Oldest Hen. I too am wishing her a speedy and full recovery.
One of the replies included in your post put a really weird thought in my head.
" Ria June 9, 2013 at 3:19 pm
She's a horrible, evil, cold, calculating waste of human flesh IMO. She's so despised that people actually shuddered at the thought of some poor innocent cancer patient who could possibly be walking around with her hair on their head."
Wouldn't it be really strange if the person wearing that wig turned out to be a Bad Person One Day and committed a heinous crime?. And the only physical evidence found was a strand of hair which they used for a DNA sample.. They'd have match that would have them wondering, wouldn't they? ACK
It is really quiet here today. See you later…
06/09/2013 at 1:34 pm
Hi Ci Ci's Circle!! How is the ole hen doing?? Better I hope and pray! Thanks for this read. It was awesome!!!
06/09/2013 at 1:46 pm
Good Morning janeto! Our ol Hen recovered quickly from the first stent procedure and her next is coming up on Wednesday. Her biggest hurdle is mental and that's what we're trying to work on. Keeping her on the high road is helping with her recovery. Her doctor is very optimistic that she will clear all the hurdles with flying colors. She's coming around mentally and although not looking forward to the next procedure she is optimistic that it will be a very short stay in the hospital this time. Thank you for asking, we will send her your regards and prayers!
06/09/2013 at 2:04 pm
Great news on a quick recovery! I'm sure the hurdle to her seems high, and mentally it can look incredibly high! I'm sure once the next procedure is under way, she will recover just as quickly! With you all around her to help "lift" her up, it will be just a stepping stone! You ladies are awesome and good for each other! Do send my regards, and prayers among everyone else on here. Keep us in the know… and don't let her go "Jodi Arias on the nurses!" 😆
06/09/2013 at 2:37 pm
janeto :
Great news on a quick recovery! I'm sure the hurdle to her seems high, and mentally it can look incredibly high! I'm sure once the next procedure is under way, she will recover just as quickly! With you all around her to help "lift" her up, it will be just a stepping stone! You ladies are awesome and good for each other! Do send my regards, and prayers among everyone else on here. Keep us in the know… and don't let her go "Jodi Arias on the nurses!"
Ha ha ha…..will do!!
06/09/2013 at 2:39 pm
I keep wondering if I'm on the right posting page. Where is everyone??? Donchais……did we miss a "skip to the next page" link or something?!!
06/09/2013 at 2:47 pm
I jokingly said to my Dad 2.0 (father-in-law) that I wanted to buy an island and he said, "I think Greece is for sale." Well, how much do you all think it would cost us to move everyone out, re-decorate a bit and then move the heck in? I'm thinking a cool 45 mil would do the trick? Any takers?
Sorry, I'm just trying to make humor as always. I can't get enough of the stuff these strange daze!!!
06/09/2013 at 6:09 pm
OT a bit…I was sent a link today to a blog hosted by the sister of a man on Dath Row here in Florida. He writes a letter to her every few days since mid-May, when Goernor Scott signed his death warrant. He is scheduled for lethal injection June 12 at 6 pm.
Initially his sentence was LWOP he was a bad guy..armed robbery, assaults, burglaries yet nothing lethal. He and 2. Others were being transported for medical visit when they decidd to overpower the guards and escape. They didn't get fry far and while police were chasing themes fire was exchanged. An officer was killed. he was not the one who killed im but now he was convicted of felony murder and . They were sent back to the Florida prison and the guards beat the shooter to death. For his protection they moved him to a prison in a nearby state until his date with the needle.
He was transported back to Stqrck, here in Florida for his last 30 days. He has educated himself over the years and writes decently. He describes the routines and rituals of Dath Row and his thoughts about knowing the exact date and time of his death and how he eats with it emotionally and spiritually. He does acknowledge and accept responsibility for what transpired. Not surprisingly, he does not support the death penalty. Reading his letters gave me an uncomfortable feeling.
If you'd like to read Bill's Blog, I'll leave the link below.
It's not very long.. I read it from bottom to top so it was chronological. I think the last post was !ay 28 and he had 15 days left. I can't imagine what it feels like. ****shuddering***the last week on death row you have no personal effects, stps from the death chamber. And a guard sits in a chair outside your cell 24/7. He doesn't speak to you. Just writesdown everything you do and say. Creepy.
I hope I don't get my pail and shovel confiscated by posting this. It's quiet here and I thought someon wiggling their toes in the sand (JANETO? You done countin yet? Still have all 10? Height be interested, I had a morbid sense of curiosity. :D.
06/10/2013 at 8:45 am
That left a really yucky feeling in me Deco – had to watch a fluff movie to stop thinking about it 😉 Wonder how he's feeling with only 2 days left.
06/09/2013 at 7:00 pm
Deco, 😆 yep, counted 10 every time!! Caught one "piggie trying to go to the market" though and had to send it to time out ➡ Still wiggling them though…..One song comes to mind….."All By Myself, don't want to be all by myself, anymore." Anna showed up while I went for a break from the heat to go to the rest room. She's still trying to come up with getting our island! But don't have enough $$$. Gosh, need to start standing on the corner with a sign at the traffic lights to try and get donations in my coffee can with !! I'll FRY and look like a French Fry by the end of the week, so that won't do…Hmmm. Well I've been sitting here in the sandbox with a couple of good reads from Ci Ci circle, I noticed, "I'm so red I'm already a french fry!! I hope like Cici said, that I am on the right blog today, and donchais didn't change pages on me playing a sick joke!! I hope MMD doesn't have a migraine today, Robert is still in the US, and others are just busy today, not finding any links for us…I'm NO good at doing that, but I sure will go and read your link Deco! Thanks for getting me out of the sun a little while….I have to return to the land of the "work to pay my bills" tomorrow! One week vacation isn't long enough anymore when I have so much I need to do to the outside of my house…Not looking forward to going back! Gotta wear pants again, and my legs are so use to shorts!!!!! Ugh! It's gonna be hotter this week! Welcome to summer and the drought Texas weather!!! 😥
06/09/2013 at 8:50 pm
Janeto… " Doncha" know you never use a coffee can? Living in the hot, humid wear her of South Florida , I've learned that only a pail and shovel will do. They help you build amazing sand castles. :). I'd be willing to help you and Anna purchase an Island. Johnny Depp (sigh) has a lovely island close by in the Bahamas .. Maybe he'd lease us the western side at a discount?
Btw, I think dry heat is soo much better than humidity… Come on down here and spend some time on the aquamarine water and you'd be fried in a half hour…. By the end of the weekend, you could be brown…salt water, every other day. So bad for our skin though. :(1
I'm suddenly starving…. Thinking of BBQ. 🙂
06/09/2013 at 11:12 pm
Hey Deco, the coffee can was for the $$$ donations standing at the corners of street lights begging for donations for our island.. If I brought my pail and shovel they would think I'm nuts building sand castles in the "dirt!!" Oh trust me, it's not all dry heat. We have our share of humidity this weekend and last week. All last summer too, so I'm not missing much there….feel like I need to take 2 showers a day. Horrible, when there is rain all around us, but we don't get a drop, Just the humidity from it! And hey, it took me all of 15 minutes to burn, painting the siding the other day. Just think if we had that white sand, and beaches….I'd be looking like a different "race" by now. I'm Spanish/ Italian decent so I tan really fast! Started burning more since the drought started 3 years ago. I NEVER burned in my whole life! But now I do! Yeah, Maybe Johnny Depp can give us a hand. (sigh) But still, I would LOVE to see the aquamarine color water!! All we get here is lake water color, and MAYBE a touch of blue, but not much to brag about…
One of these days I'd like to make it to Florida to visit! My favorite color of water is there! Well, must get to beddie bye now. Gotta get up early for work, and since no one else showed up here tonight, guess I'll hit the hay….Have a good one, and I'll catch you guys latersss… Ta Ta! And good night! sweet dreams everyone!!! Hope everyone is alright! {{waves}}
06/09/2013 at 11:48 pm
Hey Anyone still here!
Is it Texas of what?
"Ezekiel Gilbert, 30, was found not guilty of murdering an escort he hired from Craigslist.
Gilbert's lawyers argued that because Lenora Ivie Frago had left his house with the $150 he'd paid her,
without having sex with him, he was within his rights to use deadly force to retrieve his property."
btw: Deco–not OT in my book; we've been wrapped up in a DP case for months. releven
06/10/2013 at 8:47 am
Blew my mind when I heard that. Could Not Believe IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Piers Morgan was talking about it on his show.
06/09/2013 at 11:54 pm
finishing up "Parallel Justice" :
author Susan Herman recently said of crime victims:
"I want to build bridges between victim advocates and victims of any kind of crime– and anyone who wants to
make our collective response to crime more humane and effective." "Our response to
victims should be part of our collective conception of justice, not just relegated to charity."
06/10/2013 at 12:01 am
"The long-term suffering of survivors of violent crime are tragically underserved members of our society in the United States. If it were a chronic illness, this suffering would be considered an epidemic of catastrophic proportions. The epidemic is all around us, yet nearly invisible.."
06/10/2013 at 12:00 am
Sandboxers: came across a few anagrams thought you'd enjoy:
dormitory– dirty room
schoolmaster–The classroom
Conversation–voices rant on
06/10/2013 at 12:05 am
I came across this quote and thought of wobo; bit high class for her, but
in a way appropriate. She belongs in "another" world:
"If I find myself a desire for which nothing in this world can satisfy,
the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world"
–CS Lewis
06/10/2013 at 8:49 am
and may she go there soon!!!!!!!!!
06/10/2013 at 12:09 am
Is it California or what?:
"A California attorney who struck and killed a nanny pushing a baby through a San Diego crosswalk before horrifically dragging the child and stroller beneath her SUV has been sentenced to just 48 hours in jail."
06/10/2013 at 9:04 am
Robert darlin' you shouldn't be posting these things here because it is taking everything for me not to go on a full rant 😉 Unfreakingbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06/10/2013 at 1:42 pm
Robert exits Rotterdam :
Is it California or what?:
"A California attorney who struck and killed a nanny pushing a baby through a San Diego
crosswalk before horrifically dragging the child and stroller beneath her SUV has been sentenced to just 48 hours in jail."
RER….Maybe it was a matter of " professional courtesy" ?
06/10/2013 at 8:55 am
Good morning!
06/10/2013 at 9:13 am
Hi Wendy – how is your Mum doing? I'm only kinda here – I am paying attention to another livestream. Have NO intention of watching the trial but I'm just impressed by the judge because she starts on time and even had court on Saturday. I really want Judge Stephens to just watch her for an hour or so cause she has total control of her courtroom. Nice to know there are other judges that work like Judge Perry, my idol 😉
06/10/2013 at 9:26 am
Moms doing good. She has had her first round of chemo and has 3 more to go. Feeling much better. Thanks for asking. I'm only in and out and not commenting. My laptop is not working so I'm doing this on my iPhone. 😜 You guys are great. Thanks for keeping me up to date.
06/10/2013 at 9:37 am
Glad to hear it Wendy 😀 Keep us in the loop ok!
06/10/2013 at 10:46 am
Catbyte – how are you doing now that the sentencing is over and you've had some time to let it sink in? How about the rest of Z's family?
06/10/2013 at 11:17 am
Did anyone read any of the link that Deco posted, currently #800 above? The guy is quite articulate and is scheduled to be put to death on Wednesday. I just read his posts to his sister for late 2012 until the end of May and I can't get him out of my mind. I have a really sick feeling in my stomach but yet I so want JA to get the DP!!!!!!!!
Anybody else feel the way I do???????????
06/10/2013 at 12:00 pm
I do. It's easy for me to select specific individuals and want them erased from society but I believe the state should not have this power. If I have understood Robert's earlier dilemma concerning the second DP jury in stabby's case correctly, then I too think it is unfair for the state to get 'a second kick at the can'. They had their shot, they missed – lock her up for the rest of her life, allow Travis' family to start healing and we can all move on to the next a-hole who needs to be dealt with.
06/10/2013 at 12:08 pm
Hey beans! I too have come to that conclusion as well. To much left open for appeal! After all the leniency the judge has given them so NOT to be able to appeal is just crazy!
06/10/2013 at 12:04 pm
Hiya Beans – are you watching the paper shuffling like I am? Can't believe I spent a morning waiting for something to happen 😦
06/10/2013 at 12:17 pm
Mornin' MMD, yep I am – was hoping the Seacat closing would be on, It's warm and very humid here so I'm having a AA day – that's A/C and alcohol, got some icy Upper Canada Dark Ales in the fridge so I'm smilin'. Everything copacetic with you?
06/10/2013 at 12:19 pm
Yep everything is good, except for my funny feeling about this guy on DR. The sun is shining finally, kids all asleep, have so much to do but have no desire to do a damn thing!!!
06/10/2013 at 12:21 pm
Really like your AA kind of day. 😀 Have fun!!!!!!
06/10/2013 at 12:08 pm
Anyway Beans, I don't think they should have 2 kicks at the can but from what I understand it has been argued up to the supreme court and that's the way they do it. When it comes to JA I don't care how many times it takes, as long as she is eliminated. As for the rest of the people, all I'll say is that I'm glad I don't live in a country where I have to make that decision.
06/10/2013 at 12:10 pm
Hey Janet – I missed you yesterday. It was a rainy, damp, miserable, kind of curl up with a good book kind of day.
06/10/2013 at 1:00 pm
Hey MMD! Missed u 2 yesterday! Thought u had a migraine. Glad it was a cuddle up day instead! I'll shoot u an email soon.. my phone keeps saying I'm not ligged in, so it wont send! Damn smart, (dumb) phone!!!
06/10/2013 at 1:10 pm
That's why I don't have one. 😀 My mother didn't bring up dummy – I know MY limitations 😆
06/10/2013 at 12:27 pm
Hey Janeto, good afternoon. Sorry it takes so long to respond. My keyboard kacked out & I can't get a new one 'til the end of the month so I have to hunt & point using the on-screen kb & mouse.
06/10/2013 at 1:06 pm
No problem beans. Im at work anyway & my phone is being psycho at the moment, so I won't be replying much. Will be reading though! Glad the sandbox is busy again!
06/10/2013 at 12:28 pm
Beans – your closing will be at 1 CT.
06/10/2013 at 12:44 pm
Thanks MMD. What's bothering you specifically about the DR case? By the way, I'm beginning to question your story about Nikko ( my kid) not getting to you. I'm thinking once you realized how special he is you decided to keep him – probably locked in a room guarded by those killer Shih Tzus of yours.
06/10/2013 at 1:16 pm
Yep, but he's not locked up. He's waiting on me hand and foot and doing some of the stuff that I really should be doing. I agree he's special and a computer whiz. I'm keeping him until my new computer gets here because it is Windows 8 altho they swear at my shop they're gonna set it up like my Windows 7 so they better.
06/10/2013 at 1:18 pm
see below
06/10/2013 at 1:13 pm
Here's a link since it will not be on WAT and you're kinda handicapped with a broken keyboard
06/10/2013 at 1:36 pm
Thanks for the link. "waiting on you hand and foot"-His daddy raised him right. Did you ever read 'Shibumi' by Trevanian? My kid is named after the protagonist Nicholai but I didn't want t saddle him with that so it's Nicholas, but my ex and I call him Nikko.
06/10/2013 at 1:43 pm
No I haven't but that's not what I call him 😳
06/10/2013 at 2:13 pm
I'm not surprised, all the girls like him, uhh, what are you going to tell Juan? – remember, 'break it to him gently'
06/10/2013 at 3:13 pm
Oh darlin' Nikko is purely platonic – just my man slave. He's very helpful and soooooooo polite. JM is my true love and I would NEVER stray!!! 😯
06/10/2013 at 12:58 pm
Johnny Depp just called and said (get this) he doesn't want to share any part of his stupid, tiny island with us cuz we're 'too weird'…i said, talk about the black pot & kettle gettin' together, aye matie?!? btw, which island has the fewest bugs, iguanas, and weird animals running around cuz they can be a real bother. Gonna have to get a bug man to live on our island, mmkay?
06/10/2013 at 1:11 pm
Laughing out loud!!!! Damn wierd johnny depp anyways! Don't want his damn partial island anyway!!!!!!!
06/10/2013 at 1:27 pm
Good actor but he's not very big, why don't we just take it from him?
06/10/2013 at 1:53 pm
Hah, Monty Python – 'Run Away'
06/10/2013 at 2:40 pm
Can we take both Him and the Island????
06/10/2013 at 3:09 pm
He dumped his wife/partner a year ago or so. I think he's totally odd!
06/10/2013 at 2:38 pm
Anna, JD texted me and said he would call today. i was thrilled because i have a cougar crush on hm. I've been waiting for his call, it hasnt come and wondered how long you kept him on the phone.
Where do you park your cr?. 😉
06/10/2013 at 1:28 pm
Beans – what's bothering me specifically is two fold.
First of all I don't think that anyone has the right to take the life of someone else, unless we're talking about putting JA on DR.
Secondly, here is this articulate, self educated person who has spent the majority of his 58 years in jail/prison and they have spent so much time and money housing him and going through all those appeals. Instead of that, WTH didn't they make him a productive, self supporting person who could work within the prison system and earn credits or do laundry or a zillion other things that the state pays for.
I'm not saying he should ever get out. Nope, nope, nope. I just hate the thought of someone knowing what date and time they are going to die. Bottom line, that is what is bothering me and making me tummy churn.
06/10/2013 at 2:05 pm
Excluding the first para, I agree. I'm kinda an old school guy who believes that sometimes, a person just needs to die. I buy the concept of vengeance and I trust myself 'to do the right thing' but I can't extend that trust to the state. All one has to to do is read Grisham's " The Innocent Man" – a solid tip of the hat to you MMD.
06/10/2013 at 2:01 pm
Bean god knows I live in potato country but I've never heard them called peetatoes! 😆
06/10/2013 at 2:08 pm
I was in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia at the time and I swear to you, that's the way it was pronounced.
06/10/2013 at 2:18 pm
Ah, the home of the Bluenose!!!! 😀 Beautiful place and they may pronounce them that way but PEI is potato country and we don't. Islanders do however say up west and down east. Every time I hear it I mentally roll my eyes!!!
06/10/2013 at 2:27 pm
I was 13 yr's. old and walked along the keel of a ship that lay in the same cradle as the Bluenose, accompanied by a guy who worked on her and the replica 'Bounty'
06/10/2013 at 2:34 pm
Yep everything is good, except for my funny feeling about this guy on DR. The sun is shining finally, kids all asleep, have so much to do but have no desire to do a damn thing!!!
MMD. I found those letters unsettling. I ws extremely uncomfortable reading them and some made me feel worse than others. His first 7 days, being measured for his suit, acceptance, and watching the guy go up before him. Coming attraction, a preview. I wonder when they do the practice run if they actually walk hm to the death chamber. I did find that.I believed him when he acknowledged his responsibility and regrets,
06/10/2013 at 2:49 pm
Hi Deco – how are you feeling?????
Those writings are very unsettling to me and I'm now mentally counting down the time until the execution. Hate that it is getting to me like it is but glad we abolished it in Canada.
06/10/2013 at 2:45 pm
Re: Seacat, when are these lame-ass mofo's going to stop killing their wives and blaming it on 'suicide'? There's another one about to start in New Mexico(another cop). What woman would shoot herself in the head with a.44 magnum after setting the house on fire while her kids were asleep?
06/10/2013 at 2:51 pm
plus she shot herself in the leg and the torso as well. Gimme a break!!!! Gonna be the wild west soon!!! Guess these men and some women don't believe in divorce. 🙄