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Catching up on the Buddhist magazines, I just came across a lovely, simple practice on Gratitude from the late Daido Loori.
It is from a book we recommend around here by him (Bringing the Sacred to Life) on "at home" liturgy ...Expressing gratitude is transformative, just as transformative as expressing complaint. Imagine an experiment involving two people. One is asked to spend ten minutes each morning and evening expressing gratitude (there is always something to be grateful for), while the other is asked to spend the same amount of time practicing complaining (there is, after all, always something to complain about). One of the subjects is saying things like, "I hate my job. I can't stand this apartment. Why can't I make enough money? My spouse doesn't get along with me. That dog next door never stops barking and I just can't stand this neighborhood." The other is saying things like, "I'm really grateful for the opportunity to work; there are so many people these days who can't even find a job. And I'm sure grateful for my health. What a gorgeous day; I really like this fall breeze." They do this experiment for a year. Guaranteed, at the end of that year the person practicing complaining will have deeply reaffirmed all his negative "stuff" rather than having let it go, while the one practicing gratitude will be a very grateful person. . . Expressing gratitude can, indeed, change our way of seeing ourselves and the world.
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Let's start with a Cookie Wrapped Fig, think of it as a blanket wrapping a naked fig! These are pretty simple to make but you'll end up with great looking special cookies that you can dress up as you like. I don't even know if they should be called cookies or micro pies or what, but either way you want to call them, they are delicious!
- 1 1/3 cups flour
- 100 gr butter (at room temperature)
- 1/3 cup light brown sugar
- 1 egg yolk
- ¼ tsp vanilla
- ¼ tsp Chinese Five Spice *
- ¼ tsp salt
- ¼ tsp baking powder
- Fresh figs
- Icing sugar
- Milk
- Chopped pistachios (optional)
Cream the butter with the sugar. Add the egg yolk and vanilla and beat more until the they're completely incorporated in the butter-sugar mixture. Mix the flour, salt, baking powder and the chinese five spice, and add to the first mixture. Mix just until all comes together. Form a ball, wrapp in cling film and take to the fridge at least 2 hours. You can keep it in the fridge for a couple of days or freeze.
Peel some figs (the amount will depend on the size of them, but you can start with about 12). Take the dough out of the fridge and roll it as you would to make cut-out cookies. Place the figs spread-out on top of the rolled dough and cut circles around them that could be big enough to wrap them. Wrap the dough arround each fig, rolling it in between your hands to mantain the fig shape. You'll have a lot of dough at the top, just cut it and shape it a bit thinner, like the top of real figs. Bake in pre-heated oven at 180ºC (350ºF) until golden brown.
You can leave them plain, but I did a thin icing to give them a nice shine. You can go crazy and do a green icing to make them really similar to real figs, I know they'll be super cool in green because green is really popular right now!
For the icing just mix powder sugar with milk until you have a consistence that you're happy with. There's no going wrong here, you can make a thicker one and roll the fig cookies in it or you can make a thinner one and poor it over them. The one that I made had the consistency of liquid yogurt and I applied it with a small brush. I then put some chopped pistachios on top of each cookie/fig while the icing was still wet.
* I love to use Chinese Five Spice in sweets and I think it was a good way to say goodbye to the Chinese Olympics! It worked really well with the figs, but if you don't have it just use any spices you fancy. Chinese Five Spice is a blend of 5 spices that usually are cinnamon (or cassia), anise seeds, star anise, ginger and cloves, so you can even make your own if you want.
I was very happy with these! Imagine bitting into a crumbly spiced cookie and finding a soft but still kind of fresh fig. Are you imagining it allready? Don't you wanna eat it? So, go! Go make yourself some! What? You don't have figs? Try with other fruits and let me know!
Just look at that fig inside!
Was this fig fun or what? Do you like chocolate? So come back tomorrow then, for Day 2 of Fig Fun Week!

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Quote from: bertatberts on March 01, 2013, 07:05:21 PMQuote from: Jstwebbrowsing on March 01, 2013, 06:11:11 PMHere are some things to help you identify bad religion.Sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.Severe case of dodging, I don't need to know how to determine who's bad. I want to know who you consider bad, name names. stop dodging. Why is yours different? What is your denomination?I am not dodging a question. I am avoiding an entire topic. The topic I am avoiding is if my religion is the true religion.
Quote from: Jstwebbrowsing on March 01, 2013, 06:11:11 PMHere are some things to help you identify bad religion.Sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.Severe case of dodging, I don't need to know how to determine who's bad. I want to know who you consider bad, name names. stop dodging. Why is yours different? What is your denomination?
Here are some things to help you identify bad religion.Sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.
"Because of my religion I do not get involved in politics and I don't spend a lot of time keeping up with it apart from major issues. I view religion that involves itself in politics as false religion and so do millions other that share my religion. Jesus never made Christians responsible for ruling the world. Trying to do so moves them beyond the commandments of Christ. So why is my religion lumped together will all other religions? "
The topic being discussed is should atheists try to kill all religion and why.
Also I'd like to add "how" should it be killed?
I think there are some very reasonable responses with which I agree. But what bothers me is that some people can't, or don't want to, make a distinction between harmful religion and other religion.
So we can gather from your reluctance to explain why your religion is better, that it must be the same as the rest. And as such should be lumped together, as you so eloquently put it.
but stating your religion was worthy of trust yet you haven't even tried to show that it is.
or even if they followed Jesus' teaching correctly and kept it too themselves.
Psychological harm can come from policies that forbid associating with people who would otherwise have a positive or beneficial effect on him or her, simply because one facet of their lives does not align exactly with his/her own.
Financial harm (and mental and physical stress) can come from promoting a policy that denigrates higher education and a rewarding career while using guilt to demand more contributions to The Cause and more time spent on 'accumulating spiritual riches' at the expense of reasonable creature comforts today.
it just doesnt make since Jst. You wont associate with someone who left the Freedom Hall, but youll come over to WWGHA and mingle with the atheists and heathens?
Firstly I will not address you by your screen name.
Religions need books because they don't have gods.
Quote from: Jstwebbrowsing on March 02, 2013, 03:50:43 PMFirstly I will not address you by your screen name.Curious: why not? You have no problem with mine.
Yes I would agree that a lot of harm can be caused by false religion. However, even a true religion can makes mistakes from time to time and cause harm. Any society that's never made a mistake should cast the first stone. You need to look at the overall intent of the religion and the overall condition of it's flock.
I think what it really boils down to is if the risks outweigh the benefits of association. And I think some associations are more risky than others.
To promote higher education and a career above all else is harmful. Money was made for man. Man was not made for money. And there is entirely nothing wrong with reasonable creature comforts as long as these comforts do not become the primary focus of your life. In the case of Jehovah's Witnesses I don't know of any that are beggars. So whatever they do it must work.
Because "One Above All" has no significance to me. I only address one person as "The God, or even "The Gawd" and that is Jehovah.
Firstly I will not address you by your screen name.Secondly, there are prodigal children here. Concerning your question, Jesus' disciples were once asked a similar question about the Lord. They were asked, "Why eats your Master with publicans and sinners?" Jesus himself answered them. "They that are whole have no need of a physician, but they that are sick" [Mt 9:11,12]
Many religious people make this same argument. And they agree that even God's true believers may fall short of His glory. Thus, they can engage in the same practice of pointing at some problem in other religions as proof that those do not have God's favor, while dismissing criticism aimed at their religion by admitting that they're just imperfect human beings, and besides-- they mean well. It depends on just how much harm you're willing to consider acceptable, which for most people is just enough to convince them that their own religion is the right one.
My understanding may be out-of-date, but I am under the impression that where the Watchtower organization is concerned, there is no gray area in the matter of useful (versus potentially harmful) associations. When I was an active JW, I would not have dared visit a site that promoted or even discussed atheism, as the WT organization made very clear that exposing ourselves to non-witness teaching is dangerous to ourselves and to the congregation. For a Witness, there is no need of a risk/benefit analysis. They must shun anyone who is removed (or who removes himself) from the organization. Those who wish to return are shunned to provide an incentive to stay on the straight and narrow. Those who forsake the organization are shunned to protect the rest of the membership from being led astray by whatever thoughts, ideas or attitudes corrupted him. The friend (or even family member) who becomes a bitter and divisive presence is to be treated no differently than the one who breaks away over a matter of conscience and promises to be discreet.
Among the benefits of forbidding the membership from seeking more than what is provided for by the organization is that it can shield them from information that might convince them that the organization is doing much more harm than it lets on. Which makes it more effective when they try to compare their religion to others to see which is true and which is not.
That's not what I said. I said that denigrating higher education and a rewarding career can cause financial harm and the resulting stress. And needlessly so, since it doesn't have to be either/or. I grew up in the South Bronx, and knew many families that struggled financially, including ours. But I also do not recall any of them becoming destitute. Like many tight-knit religious communities, JWs are very good at providing for one another. It's a great quality to have, and the ones I knew genuinely enjoy being generous and helpful to one another. In my experience, we felt as if we were the only ones that acted that way, which reinforced the "this is how you know we're the true religion" belief.
Quote from: Cult Follower on March 02, 2013, 03:50:43 PMFirstly I will not address you by your screen name.Secondly, there are prodigal children here. Concerning your question, Jesus' disciples were once asked a similar question about the Lord. They were asked, "Why eats your Master with publicans and sinners?" Jesus himself answered them. "They that are whole have no need of a physician, but they that are sick" [Mt 9:11,12]You must recognize the power The Gawd possesses. Good.Secondly, would someone that left the kingdom hall not be a prodigal son? Seems youre being hypocritical, and not thinking critical about what your masters have forced upon you. However, I see it quite differently. It seems you are sick and have come to the doctor to be healed. Welcome to the clinic!
Quote from: Jstwebbrowsing on March 02, 2013, 04:28:22 PMBecause "One Above All" has no significance to me. I only address one person as "The God, or even "The Gawd" and that is Jehovah.Here's the short version:The One Above All is the Marvel universe's supreme deity. He is responsible for creating everything, including Yahweh.
But nevertheless the words are true. But there is a difference in a religon that makes a mistake and a religion that pursues an evil course. We could compare the Witnesses to the evils of Christendom or Islam. How do you think the scales would balance?
When I started attending meetings for a while I was never advised to shun my father-in-law. When he attended he was shunned by most members but every single elder came to greet and welcome him and so did many of the older ladies. And various Witnesses call him still from time to time.
It discourages members from dabbling in false religions but it also tell you to "search the scriptures daily" to see if things are true.
Everything about higher education that I've read from a publication has a very balanced view. It discourages the outlook that a career should be the measure of our success. This puts them at odds with most of society. That does not make society correct. Those that want to pursue education may do so but those that do are under no compusion to do so above and beyond being able to provide for themselves and their family. It a matter of freedom from needless burdens.
That confirms what I wrote. Admitting that all religion is fallible lets you give one of them sufficient room to err so that you can still consider it the one true religion. In addition, you refer to the failures of one as "a mistake" but the failures of others as "an evil course." Then you offer to compare one tiny sub-denomination of Christianity to all of the others as a group, as well as to every denomination of Islam. That makes it pretty easy to spread the 'evil' around.
I am curious. You mentioned that he was disfellowshipped when your wife was in her mid-teens. I'm guessing then that he has been disfellowshipped for at least five years, possibly much longer? If they have softened their stance on disfellowshipping in this manner, I would consider it a good sign, and a step forward in dealing with those who stray but wish to remain with the organization.
That is a reference to Acts 17:11, which the WT organization has often used to encourage its membership to examine all teaching through the Bible. I consider this the right approach, if they didn't also make it clear that if your search leads you to a different conclusion, you are to accept the organization's interpretation and keep your opinions to yourself. To do otherwise is to flirt with apostasy.
Then it's a welcome change from the past, when concerns about the nearness of the end of the world created an atmosphere where college was strongly discouraged. Over time, they seem to be easing up on many of their hard-line approaches. I believe that it was in the 1930s that they discouraged young Witnesses from marrying (or starting families, if they were married), because the new system was almost upon them. Seeing a video from an ex-Witness who is in his 70s and childless is heartbreaking.
PS: I wouldn't call wealth a burden, but that's a discussion for another time.
Which is more harmful, shunning or killing "heritics"? Comparing doesn't immediately eliminate everyone but does eliminate a vast amount of them. And there is no other option but to accept religion is fallible unless I can find an infallible human.
For example in the past 100 years 11 elders have been sued for child abuse. Apparantly some elders were disouraging people from reporting it to the law. The Watchtower printed that elders should in no way discourage anyone from going to authorities. "We deal with sin. The authorities deal with crime". Perhaps some congregations have taken shunning to an unintended extreme. Or maybe sometimes it's indiviuals.
Yes this actually hindered my own faith for a time. It is actually beyond me how they would try to predict a time for Armageddon. I think they did finally accept Jesus' own words that noone knows that day and hour except the Father in heaven. To me this was about the most serious offense.
But they do seem to have repented from doing so again. If they repented I have every reason to believe they were forgiven.
So God isn't guiding any particular faith, He's just waiting to see which one does the least amount of damage to His good name? Or is He guiding one in particular, and only able to (or willing to) partially rein in human fallibility?
The policies on child abuse reporting are a curious example of the "light of dawn" approach. For as long as I can remember, witnesses were encouraged to report charges of child sex abuse to the local elders. The elders were expected to "investigate," which takes the form of interviewing those who were allegedly involved. Limited by the policy that requires the testimony of two witnesses in order to determine guilt, they were usually dependent on a confession to resolve such matters. If guilt could not be established, nothing was done aside from the elders "keeping a closer eye" on the person. The congregation would not be warned of the potential danger in its midst.
I don't know if raping children is as bad as killing heretics. But I think that at some point a person needs to ask where the "true religion" line is, and if the religion they're investigating has mangled that line beyond recognition.
This provokes another question about harm: what of the people who felt duped and left the organization over such 'mistaken' predictions? The WT organization, throughout its history, has considered those false predictions to be useful, based on the bizarre reasoning that it helped strengthen the faith of the congregation members who remained, while "sifting" those who apparently were silly enough to expect a movement that called itself "the Truth" to actually be grounded in truth. Those who left because they were lied to will die at Armageddon. Aren't they being harmed? They lost the reward of eternal life because they wouldn't abide being lied to.
And we're not talking a small number, either. Thousands of believers left the fold when 1914/5 came and went without the end of the world occurring (as predicted by Charles Russell who, incredibly, blamed god for the "mistake"). Nearly 80% of believers left the organization between 1925 and 1928, when J. F. Rutherford's predictions did not materialize (Rutherford himself swung a very sweet deal, getting a beautiful mansion to live in during the Great Depression). There were additional exoduses in the 1940s and 1970s after other failed predictions. So many faithful, lost. Was lying to them not immoral? Not harmful?
And it wasn't a policy prompted by god, who does not tempt anyone with evil (James 1:13). These were men, claiming divine inspiration, who misled people with false prophesies. I don't know if lying and misrepresenting god in order to lead followers away from salvation is as bad as killing heretics. But at some point you run out of room in the Big Bag of Allowances.
If you search their publications (such as the Proclaimers book) you will find that they don't list these predictions and honestly admit that they prophesied falsely and misled the flock. In some cases they disingenuously soft-stroke the truth, such as saying that "not all that they expected had been directly stated in Scripture" in reference to Charles Russell's complete mess of chronology and the false predictions that resulted from it.
You wondered, in another topic, how a JW could abandon the faith in the face of the fulfullment of so many prophecies. As someone who grew up with the faith and was active from the 70s to the 90s, I can recall that those prophecies were being fulfilled and the end was upon us the whole time.
It surprises me that more of them have not abandoned it in the last decade.
Their membership is still growing at a rate of about 800 per day. Or at least that's what an active Witness posted on another forum.
Quote from: Jstwebbrowsing on March 03, 2013, 12:29:44 PMTheir membership is still growing at a rate of about 800 per day. Or at least that's what an active Witness posted on another forum.Just to keep this number in perspective: There are 200,000 births a day on this planet. So JW's appear to be snagging just under half a percent. Not bad for beginners, but not impressive either.
Note: JW's turned my cousin's family, and hence my favorite cousin, into righteous idiots. She went from being a 12 year old sweetheart who loved life to, by the time she was 15, someone who was stiff and harsh and righteous. Jw's ruined the f**k out of her. And her parents. And I'm not likely to ever be in a forgiving mood.
The Bible shows that ridding the world of human fallibility is a process and not a single act and I think you already know that. It won't be fully accomplished until the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ.
And any time child abuse is verified then elders are required to report it to authorities where such laws exist. (emphasis mine)
So because a few, eleven, elders in the US have been sued in the past 100 years, and the Watchtower published instructions setting matters straight for elders means the true religion has been mangled beyond recognition? I don't agree. Do you actually expect perfection? From where do you get this expectation? If perfection were to be expected then the Bible would not instruct Christians to "expel the wicked man from among you."
A lie is different than a mistake. If Jehovah forgives me for making mistakes what am I to do to others that make mistakes? Shouldn't Christians practice what they preach? The fact of the matter is that many members have left when the teachings of some former Presidents have been adjusted to more fully represent the truth or because some of their predictions have failed.
Divine guidance and divine inspiration is different. They have never claimed to be infallible.
Also, you keep focusing on the mistakes made by a couple people that were in leadership roles, but what of the individual Witnesses? Do they not too share the guilt? Obvsiouly they agreed with the predictions and such or they wouldn't have acted in accordance. Surely they all thought they had good reason for thinking what they did. So when it proved untrue why did they blame each other instead of accepting responsibility for their own mistakes?
Saying that "not all that they expected had been directly stated in Scripture" does not sound at all like soft-stroking to me, especially when the Bible says not to go "beyond what is written". That sounds very much like an admittance of guilt.
So what has the passing or more time shown? Has their fulfillment began to reverse or stall?
I mean they did point forward to 1914 as the end of the times of the Gentiles. When 1914 arrived and World War I broke out I can definately see how they all got whipped up into a frenzy. I probably would have too. But that would have been a mistake. World War I definately was a sign, just not a sign that Armageddon was upon them. I can imagine that many of them viewed World War I as Armageddon at the time.
Your ability to find new ways to give the JWs leeway is impressive. But it still doesn't distinguish them from any other denomination which finds ways to diminish its own frailties while using those of other faiths to disqualify them as legit. I also find it unsettling that humankind lost perfection in the course of a single act, but requires centuries to recover it again. God grows weaker and/or meaner each time someone explains why he allows his chosen people to struggle as they do.
Yes, as I understand it, they're not urged to report it unless required by law. I find it troubling that they wouldn't simply urge them to report it each and every time. That should be common sense.
I'm not sure where you're getting that number (11 suits in 100 years). According to this page they settled sixteen cases in 2007 alone. That page covers the whole issue in some detail and helps to show the extent of the problem, which goes much deeper than just a 'few elders.' There is evidence that the headquarters staff knew about the issue, and that their inaction allowed at least three child molesters to abuse more children for years because they didn't alert the authorities, even in a case where a member confessed to the crime (watch the short NBC video on the page).
Surely you can understand why I think that being true by comparison simply isn't good enough? And that "being infallible" isn't good enough? No, I don't expect perfection. I expect a reasonable level of moral and ethical behavior for any organization that professes to enjoy god's approval. There may be one out there, but it's not the one that protects child rapists.
Granted, that is irrelevant. Why do I focus on the mistakes of the leadership? Because they're the leadership. That should be obvious! They claim to be the spirit-guided "faithful and discreet slave" through which Jehovah provides guidance to humankind on Earth. Why would the individual witnesses, who trusted that god would work through them, blame each other? You're really laying the blame for the lies of the leadership on the people who were lied to? So their real crime was trusting their religious leaders? I find that mind-boggling.
What fulfillment? The signs that indicate that we're nearing a time of judgment? Religions have been making such claims for more than 1,500 years. WT publications have warned about the signs of the last days from the very first issue of the Watchtower magazine in 1879. The fulfillment has never reversed or stalled, because it never began in the first place.
For one, unlike those religions that shed innocent blood while commiting gross sin, the Witnesses that sold their houses etc. did not sin, and neither did it cause death or harm to those around them. The Witnesses are the only ones that suffered for their incorrect expectations. It's not like they went on a Holy Crusade or became suicide bombers, particpated in two world wars and hundreds or thousands of wars since then. Sure, they have their faults, but let's compare apples to apples and not apples to watermelons.
Some things we consider child abuse is entirely legal in other countries. Reporting abuse to these authorities would be of no benefit and may actually do more harm than good. Not only that but in the case of molestation I can definately understand why a family, apart from religion, would want to keep matters private. So if there is no law that forbids it then they are well within their rights to keep it private, especially considering the morality of some countries. You should not judge what you have no knowledge to judge.
I don't know how many cases there were or how many children were involved. I said eleven elders had been sued. That was as of 2007. Also site you linked site is, unsirprisingly, full of inaccuracies as most opposers web sites are. You should at least get your information from a neutral source. Here are the facts.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_child_sex_abuse
Based upon incorrect information you got from an opposers site, you have drawn the wrong conclusions and you are trying to convince me to accept them. What does the Bible say about gathering teachers around yourself to have your ears tickled? Do you fulfill this scripture? Do you realize you are everything they say an apostate is? And what they say is directly derived from the Bible. ".....that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delays his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellow servants..." (Mt 24:49,50) Now that I have "tested all things" I can definately see they are right when they speak of the dangers of associating with apostates.
No, you are trying to elevate them to a position they do not hold.
I realize that. But time has shown that other prophecies had to also be fulfilled that were not fulfilled yet. All the while the "signs" become more evident. But the "signs" are not the prophecies I refer too. I refer to Revelation. The four horsemen cause the "signs" that Jesus gave. The four horsemen are at the very beginning of the prophecy. World War I was the beginning of those signs. It was not just any war. It was World War, or the Great War as it's called. The Great Sword given the the horsman is a fitting symbol of that World War and the next one that soon followed. It is also a fitting symbol for the great weapons we have today. The worldwide epidemics that occured at the same time are also well fitted for the symbolism of the other horseman. But when the horsemen ride the end does not come yet. Those are the "beginning of pains" of distress. That marks the beginning of the Last Days, but not the beginning of the Great Tribulation nor Armageddon. Prophecy must be fulfilled first.
I don't know how familiar you are with Bible prophecy. Do you know who the Witnesses identify Babylon the Great to be, and also the seven headed beast?
There are a couple things I would like to mention that I think I have discerned from our conversation that I would like to share in a heartfelt way. You seem to have two complaints. One is that some of the WT leaders have made some mistakes. The other is that our Lord is taking a long time. I can't help but imagine these are underlying issues about why you left Jehovah's people.
On the first part, I think you put, or want to put, too much faith in man who is fallible. But look at what the Bible says. "For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of God? God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar..." (Rom 3:3,4) And again, "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". If I make a mistake or sin then it's largely no big deal to anyone but me. But if an organization makes a mistake it's a big deal, and rightly so. However that doesn't prevent an organization from making some mistakes, and remember we are still comparing apples to watermelons here. Actually let's call it a gnat and a camel. They didn't mistakenly say, it's okay to murder.
That presumes that all other religions have blood on their hands or are demonstrably worse. There are a number of Christian denominations, including several who are offshoots of the Bible Students group begun by Russell, whose teachings are similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses. And there are many religions that are just as, if not more, anti-war. Without investigating those, you cannot be sure that one of them is not the true religion. If you only compare them to the low-hanging fruit, you'll never know if you've actually found the true religion.
The NBC report indicated that there are states in the USA which do not require notification of the authorities when there are accusations of child molestation. The lack of action in cases in the USA where the organization should have acted is what the story was about.
How meaningful is the "eleven suits in 100 years" claim, when they settled 16 cases in one year alone?
By settling cases instead of going to court, the organization can silence accusers and protect itself from bad publicity.
By the way, check the sources for that "neutral" wikipedia article-- nearly all of them are from WT sites and publications. Who do you think wrote and maintains the wikipedia entries on Jehovah's Witnesses?
I'd be very interested in hearing about the inaccuracies on the jwfacts site. The man who maintains it is just an email away, and has been willing to discuss his information and even make corrections in the past. I am sure that he would be willing to either defend his content or amend it as necessary. I would expect that you can demonstrate how the site is "full of inaccuracies," especially after admonishing me that I "should not judge what (I) have no knowledge to judge."
They are the organizational leadership, a position that they have claimed and which is central to the Jehovah's Witness belief structure. Again, I would point you to their many, many claims over the years of being god's appointed "faithful and discreet slave" and the only conduit through which god's knowledge flows to his true followers. That they claim the position of leadership and intermediaries between god and the faithful may make it harder to justify your point of view, but that is their claim. I would be surprised to find any active JW who felt differently about the Governing Body in their role as faithful and discreet slave (ie, leadership).
Revelation is a deranged mess that can be interpreted many ways to predict many things. It's been used to predict "the end times" for centuries. In the centuries before World War I, there were many wars which were more encompassing and more destructive.
World War I is notable for the same reason that current "conditions" are-- technology has advanced to allow us to be more aware of what is happening.
Ironically, one of the technological fields that helped bring home the horror of war was the improvement of battlefield medicine, which helped to spearhead the development of better treatment of wounds and illnesses, which have made life significantly better for us in the 20th and 21st centuries.
I only started reading "opposer" literature and sites long after I'd made my break with the organization. Finding out what had really gone on came as an eye-opener, but even at first I took the view that they were good, sincere men who were not intentionally misleading their followers. Further reading showed that this was not true, and sullied the organization in my eyes. Even today, I feel more sadness than anger. There are a lot of terrific people languishing in that faith today.
Quote from: Jstwebbrowsing on March 01, 2013, 06:15:35 PMHere is some more. Realigions that are, lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power, are bad religions. With the possible exception of Sikh, there is no religion that does NOT fit this description.
Here is some more. Realigions that are, lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power, are bad religions.
Quote from: kaziglu bey on March 01, 2013, 06:19:24 PMQuote from: Jstwebbrowsing on March 01, 2013, 06:15:35 PMHere is some more. Realigions that are, lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power, are bad religions. With the possible exception of Sikh, there is no religion that does NOT fit this description.I live in western Canada.....I have the opinion that the above statement is a little off....while the front of it may be true pull back the curtain and this is not the caseSexism,moderate vs fundamentalists,class system all exist in the Sikh religion,as in almost all other religions
No, I do not presume that. Quakers are also pacifists. My presumption is that pacifists are the exception and not the rule.
The organization does not deal with crime.
The WT has no authority to insist people go to the authorities if no such law exists.
But you can't build an argument on what they can do.
If you want to know someone doctrine or procedures shouldn't you go to the source?
The page only highlights the Witnesses own internal means of establishing guilt.
Let's just assume for a minute they are in fact God's only channel for providing spiritual food. In what way does that make the infallible? Was Israel not his channel in the past? Did they not make a tremendous amount of mistakes? Eventually they were rejected by God, but what the Witnesses have done in no way compares to the mistakes of Israel.
Which wars are you referring to?
Technology has also allowed people to have more efficient means for killing others. I would say an atomic bomb is definately noteworthy in the history of war. What do you think?
That would depend on who you are referring to when you say "us". Do you mean those on the battlefield?
I have read a lot of material from opposers. But I've yet to see where I think the Witnesses intentionally misled people or caused people to sin. I think that is the crux of the matter.
And to touch a little more on prophecy. The Bible says, "this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabbited world." Wouldn't you say that anyone that predicted the end before that prophecy was fulfilled was inaccurate. How many hundreds of years ago was this prophecy realized? Anyone preaching the end would come before that was simply wrong. So things today are not as they were hundreds of years ago.
In addition the Witnesses have long held that Babylon the Great (organized false religion) would be destroyed. Is this not actually starting to occur?
And what about where the Bible says he is going to "bring to ruin those ruining the earth". Isn't it only in more modern times that we have become truly capable of ruining the earth. Not only that but today not only is it possible but it seems highly likely. Anyone preaching the end would come before this was wrong. So because some people were wrong doesn't change the facts.
Quote from: 12 Monkeys on March 07, 2013, 11:23:44 AMQuote from: kaziglu bey on March 01, 2013, 06:19:24 PMQuote from: Jstwebbrowsing on March 01, 2013, 06:15:35 PMHere is some more. Realigions that are, lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power, are bad religions. With the possible exception of Sikh, there is no religion that does NOT fit this description.I live in western Canada.....I have the opinion that the above statement is a little off....while the front of it may be true pull back the curtain and this is not the caseSexism,moderate vs fundamentalists,class system all exist in the Sikh religion,as in almost all other religionsCredit where credits due, Monkey. he did say "with the possible exception" it wasn't a certainty, that is sometime the religious claim.


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Two years ago we brought you the story of Nathan Myhrvold and his company Intellectual Ventures. Myhrvold, a former chief technology officer at Microsoft, called the business "a company that invests in invention," but in Silicon Valley it has a different reputation. The influential blog Techdirt regularly refers to Intellectual Ventures as a patent troll. Techdirt and other technology blogs have written about how Intellectual Ventures uses its large patent portfolio to demand license fees from technology companies.
Intellectual Ventures told us if we wanted to understand what the company was all about, we should talk to this inventor it had helped out, a patent holder named Chris Crawford.
When we tried to contact Crawford, he didn't return any phone calls. He didn't return emails. His patents are now in the hands of a company called Oasis Research, and the patents were being used to sue more than a dozen different tech businesses.
Oasis Research has no researchers and no employees of any kind that we could find. Its only place of business seemed to be an empty office in a corridor of empty offices in a small town in Texas.
We had a lot of questions about Chris Crawford and Oasis Research, but because of the secretive nature of these lawsuits, there were basic questions we could not answer. Now, two years later, the litigation is over, and it has given us a rare look inside this world. Here's what we've learned:
Originally, there were 18 tech companies that Oasis claimed were infringing on Chris Crawford's patents. But that pool got smaller and smaller as companies decided to just cut a deal with Oasis and pay a licensing fee.
At a certain point, an online backup company called Carbonite was one of just two companies remaining in the case. The other company was EMC. (Full disclosure: Carbonite is an underwriter of NPR news programs.)
Carbonite CEO David Friend says it was tough to be one of the last men standing, especially when the company's lawyers kept encouraging Friend to settle.
Defending a patent case is really difficult because explaining technology and patents to a jury is a big challenge, so lawyers for Carbonite and EMC pursued a second strategy as well. If they could demonstrate that the inventor wasn't telling the truth when he filled out the patent application, the patent could be invalidated. So the lawyers for Carbonite and EMC started to dig into Crawford's past looking for evidence of this.
One of the first places they went looking was the company where Crawford was working at the time he claimed to have come up with his ideas. They found Crawford's old boss, Chuck Campos. Campos told them he was around when the ideas in the patents were developed, and that they weren't only Crawford's ideas.
Campos told the lawyers that the ideas mainly came from two other guys, Jack Byrd and Don Atwood. Byrd and Atwood were developing software together in 1990, and they wanted to come up with a secure way to back up their work. The only way to do that at the time was to download the work to floppy disk drives, but Byrd and Atwood thought there had to be a better way. They started a company to use phone modems to back up data remotely. They hired Campos and Crawford to help them.
The four men agreed to split ownership four ways, and Byrd named the new company PC Oasis. The "oasis" part of that name was an acronym — short for Offsite Archival Software and Information Server.
They met on Saturdays to discuss setting up the business, but they couldn't figure out a way to get it up and running using the technology available in the early '90s — phone lines and modems. So, they disbanded the company and went their separate ways.
It was the end of Oasis for Bryd, Atwood and Campos, but not for Crawford. Crawford had kept detailed notes of those Saturday meetings, and a couple of years later, he filed patents based on those notes.
Carbonite's chief counsel Danielle Sheer says Crawford then sold those patents to a company called Kwon Holdings for $12 million and a percentage of royalties that the next owner collects.
Sheer says that Byrd, Atwood and Campos knew "nothing about what Chris Crawford is doing. Nothing at all."
A decade later, those patents ended up the property of another company with Oasis in the name, Oasis Research, a company that pays Crawford a portion of the money it collects from the patents.
If Crawford's three former business partners had also developed the ideas, they should have been, at the very least, listed as co-inventors on Crawford's original patent applications. This was the smoking gun the lawyers had been looking for, but they weren't sure it would be enough to convince a jury. At the trial, it would still be just the word of Byrd, Atwood and Campos against Crawford's.
The lawyers wanted proof. They found it in the form of one sentence among thousands of pages that Crawford submitted to the patent office. The sentence was this:
"This proposal it is in response to Jack Byrd's idea to provide automated offsite backup services for PC users."
The lawyers for Carbonite and EMC argued that was conclusive evidence that Crawford's patents were based on Byrd's idea. At a videotaped deposition Crawford gave as part of the Oasis trial, he offered up a surprising defense. He argued that the sentence didn't actually mean the idea was Byrd's, because he, Crawford, had used the apostrophe "s" incorrectly.
"I'm asking you, though — you certainly know what the use of an apostrophe 's' means, do you not?"
Chris Crawford:
"As I've written documents over the years, there are times when I use an apostrophe 's,' and it seems like I'm supposed to use an apostrophe 's.' But I have to say that my grammar is not strong enough to tell you right now with clarity when an apostrophe 's' is used."
His explanation apparently did not convince the jury, which concluded that the patents were indeed invalid for failing to name the correct co-inventors. Carbonite won, and yet its lawyers say the victory just shows how difficult it is for a company to defend itself against a patent infringement claim.
The jury concluded that Byrd should have been listed as a co-inventor, but not Campos and Atwood, the other men who testified under oath that they too had been involved in developing the ideas. Only Byrd's name had been on that document, so only Byrd got credit from the jury as a co-inventor. Lawyers for Carbonite believe that if not for that document mentioning Byrd, the jury might not have invalidated Crawford's patent, and Carbonite might have ended up paying damages.
For the 16 companies that did settle with Oasis, the verdict may not change anything. In most cases these licensing agreements have language that makes them nearly impossible to get out of — no matter what happens with the patent.
A spokesman for one of the companies that settled sent us an email saying:
"We were hit hard by this lawsuit. Infringement on our part seemed completely bogus, but we could not afford to fight it. Even with the settlement, we were forced to lay off employees. We are STILL paying out on the settlement agreement. We were unaware that the patent had been invalidated. We will be contacting our attorney to see what recourse we may have."
It's unknown how much money Oasis received from those licensing arrangements. We do know how much it wanted from Carbonite. Danielle Sheer said Oasis proposed a $20 million license fee plus a portion of revenue going forward.
Tom Ewing, an intellectual property lawyer who studies patent infringement cases, says, assuming Oasis was asking for settlements in rough proportion to the size of the company being targeted, a pretty good estimate of its total take "might be in excess of $100 million."
Who gets that money?
Because of documents filed with the court, we now know that Intellectual Ventures, owned by Nathan Myhrvold, gets 90 percent of Oasis Research's net profit. Intellectual Ventures sold Crawford's patents to Oasis on this condition.
And Crawford didn't make out too badly, either. The documents say he gets 17 1/2 percent of the money that Intellectual Ventures makes.
This kind of money makes the business of suing based on patents a very lucrative one, and it's getting easier. Every year more patents are issued than the year before. According to a Yale study, it's a hundred software patents a day.
"It took 121 years for us to get the first million patents," says Ewing. "Now it takes, more or less, six years to get another million patents."
On Tuesday morning, the Obama administration announced it would be taking action against what it termed "abusive" patent lawsuits. You can read more about that in our post detailing what the administration is proposing.
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It's ALL THINGS CONSIDERED from NPR News. I'm Robert Siegel.
And I'm Audie Cornish. This week President Obama called on congress to make life harder for companies called patent assertion entities. Many in Silicon Valley call them patent trolls. These companies don't make anything. They buy up patents and use them to sue people who do make things. Last year, about 60 percent of all patent lawsuits were brought by these so-called trolls.
Two years ago, NPR's Laura Sydell and Planet Money's Alex Blumberg investigated a company called Intellectual Ventures, that some say is the biggest patent troll of them all. They recently revisited the story and discovered it had taken some surprising twists.
LAURA SYDELL, BYLINE: Back in 2011, I put the question of whether or not Intellectual Ventures is a patent troll to its co-founder Nathan Myhrvold. Are you a patent troll?
NATHAN MYHRVOLD: Well, that's a term that has been used by people to mean someone they don't like who has patents.
ALEX BLUMBERG, BYLINE: Intellectual Ventures, says Myhrvold, is anything but. He says it's in the business of promoting innovation, supporting inventors who hold patents but can't make money off of them because companies are stealing their ideas.
SYDELL: That's where Intellectual Ventures comes in. Intellectual Ventures buys their patents and licenses them out to companies that make stuff. Two years ago, when we first visited Intellectual Ventures, they gave us an example of an inventor they'd helped, a guy named Chris Crawford. Joe Traneski, a vice-president at Intellectual Ventures is one of two people who mentioned Crawford.
JOE TRANESKI: The neat thing about Chris is he had no idea how to get money for his patents. He eventually found Intellectual Ventures, so we bought those patents.
SYDELL: So I figured I want to talk to this guy. Not so simple. It turned out that trying to talk to Chris Crawford took us on a multi-year odyssey where things didn't exactly fit the story that Intellectual Ventures was telling us. It started when I called Intellectual Ventures to get Chris Crawford's contact info. I got a strange email back in response. I was told they no longer own Christ Crawford's patent.
BLUMBERG: We did eventually locate Crawford on our own but he never responded to our many emails and phone calls. He had four patents, all pretty similar, and we focused on one of them, patent 5771354. He got it in 1998, back in the relatively early days of the Internet.
SYDELL: The patent says, this invention makes it possible to connect to an online service provider to do a bunch of stuff - software purchases, online rentals, data backups. The patent makes it seem like this one guy, Chris Crawford, invented a lot of what we do on the Internet every day. We weren't sure what to make of this, so we turned to an expert.
BLUMBERG: Rick McCloud is a patent lawyer and former software engineer who we asked to evaluate Chris Crawford's patent. So he went on a search to see if anyone else in the field was already doing the thing Chris Crawford claimed to invent in 1993 when he first filed his patent.
RICK MCCLOUD: There were institutions, both academic and businesses, that used computers in this way. And I think it's a very interesting collection of things that were well known in the 1980s.
SYDELL: In patent language, there's lots of prior art.
MCCLOUD: None of this was actually new.
SYDELL: Do you think this patent should've been issued in the first place?
MCCLOUD: No, I don't.
SYDELL: People in Silicon Valley will tell you that the problem with software patents today is that all kinds of things are getting patented that aren't breakthroughs and don't deserve a patent. They're too broad or too obvious.
BLUMBERG: And the problem with broad, obvious patents is that it's easy to use them in the way we discovered Chris Crawford's patents were being used, to sue people for patent infringement.
SYDELL: After Intellectual Ventures sold Crawford's patent, it ended up in the hands of a company named Oasis Research. Less than a month after getting these patents, Oasis Research started suing people.
BLUMBERG: There was hardly any public information about Oasis Research. One of the few details that was available, an address in Marshall, Texas, 104 East Houston Street, Suite 190.
MICHAEL SMITH: Right now, we're going into the first floor of the Baxter Building, which is 104 East Houston.
SYDELL: This is Michael Smith. He's an attorney in Marshall, Texas who does mostly patent cases. He agreed to show us the offices of Oasis Research. They're in a nondescript two-story building on the town's main square, two doors down from the federal courthouse.
SMITH: And here we go, suite 190, Oasis Research, LLC.
BLUMBERG: It was late morning on a weekday, not a holiday, but the door was locked. Through the crack underneath you could see there were no lights on inside. Marshall is a very small town, 24,000 people. Michael was born and raised here, so we started quizzing him about Oasis.
SYDELL: Does it have any employees that you know about?
SMITH: Not that I know of.
SYDELL: Have you ever seen any people coming in and out of that office?
SMITH: No, I haven't.
SYDELL: If you don't mind, I'm going to knock on the door and just see if there's anyone here today.
BLUMBERG: I know this is kind of cliche at this point, knocking on the door of the suspected fake office...
SYDELL: Nothing.
BLUMBERG: ...but we'd flown a long way. According to information the Obama administration released this week, there are thousands of companies like Oasis Research out there, companies that don't seem to make anything or have any employees, whose only business seems to be suing other companies for patent infringement.
SYDELL: We'd come to Marshall to figure out which story about Intellectual Ventures was true. Was it a patent troll or a protector of struggling inventors? Two years ago, this empty office was where the hunt for information about Chris Crawford and Intellectual Ventures ended.
BLUMBERG: But in the intervening two years, the lawsuit that Oasis was filing at the time has now concluded. And because of information that came out at trial we can now answer a lot of the questions we couldn't back then.
SYDELL: Of the 18 companies that Oasis originally sued, 16 settled. Only two went all the way to trial, EMC and Carbonite. Full disclosure: Carbonite is an underwriter of NPR news programs.
BLUMBERG: Lawyers for the two companies dug into Chris Crawford's history looking for clues that might invalidate his patent, clues for example, that he had not told the truth when he first filed it.
SYDELL: One of the first places they went looking was the company where he was working at the time he claimed to have come up with this idea. Here's Carbonite's chief counsel, Danielle Sheer.
DANIELLE SHEER: We located some individuals who had worked with Chris Crawford in the early 1990s.
BLUMBERG: Specifically, Crawford's boss who told the lawyers, yes, I was with Crawford when those ideas and the patents were developed. And they weren't only Chris Crawford's ideas. The idea for a remote online backup system mainly came from two other guys, Jack Byrd and Don Atwood. They'd come up with the idea to solve a problem that they themselves were having.
SHEER: This was in 1990. Don Atwood and Jack Byrd are business partners.
SYDELL: They had a technology consulting company and they were backing up all their important files on floppy disks. They thought, there's got to be a better way. How about backing up our data remotely over the phone line using a modem? We should start a company that does that.
BLUMBERG: And this, finally, is where Chris Crawford enters the picture. He was invited to be part of the small group trying to get this backup company off the ground. There were four people involved. Crawford was the last one at it.
SYDELL: They met regularly on Saturdays at Jack Byrd's apartment but they never figured out a way to get consumer online backup working using the technology available in the early '90s, phone lines and modems. So they disbanded the company.
BLUMBERG: But all those meetings where they'd been figuring out how this backup system would work, Chris Crawford had been the main note taker.
SHEER: A couple years later, Chris Crawford, he ends up filing some patents and he uses the documents that he's created in these meetings to prove that he has this idea for the patent and to come up with the claims.
BLUMBERG: His three former business partners have no idea Crawford is doing this. And once he gets his patents, he doesn't start a business of his own. He sells the patents to Intellectual Ventures for $12 million plus a cut of all future proceeds.
SYDELL: The problem was that Chris Crawford had sold a patent for $12 million that did not give credit to the other inventors. If Chris Crawford's three former business partners had also developed the idea, they too should've been listed as co-inventors on the original patent applications.
BLUMBERG: But how to prove this to a jury?
SHEER: In the thousands of pages that Chris Crawford submitted to the patent office in order to obtain his patents, one of the documents had a sentence that said that this is in response to Jack Byrd's idea to provide online backup. And, of course, one of the excellent attorneys that worked on this for EMC and Carbonite located that document and questioned Chris about it.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: The May 23, 1992 proposal, which is marked as Exhibit 10.
CHRIS CRAWFORD: Yes, I'm looking at it.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: All right.
SYDELL: And here he is, the man we've been looking for, Chris Crawford. This is sound from a videotaped deposition he gave as part of the Oasis trial. He's polished, crisp white shirt, tan tortoiseshell reading glasses.
BLUMBERG: And he offers a rather surprising explanation for how the sentencing that this business was quote, Jack Byrd's idea, doesn't actually mean that the business was Jack Byrd's idea. His explanation, he was using the apostrophe S incorrectly.
The lawyer asked him to clarify.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: You certainly know what the use of an apostrophe S means, do you not?
CHRIS CRAWFORD: I have to say that my grammar is not strong enough to tell you right now with clarity when an apostrophe S is used.
BLUMBERG: This explanation apparently did not convince the jury and Oasis lost the case. But for the 16 companies who settled, it's probably too late. Legally, it'll be tough to get their money back.
SYDELL: A spokesman for one of those companies wrote in an email, quote, "we were hit hard by this lawsuit. Infringement on our part seemed completely bogus, but we could not afford to fight it. Even with the settlement, we were forced to lay off employees. We are still paying out on the settlement agreement."
BLUMBERG: The Oasis case gives us a unique glimpse into the normally hidden economics of patent lawsuits. Usually in these cases, everyone settles and signs a nondisclosure agreement. But because Carbonite won at trial, they were happy to reveal how much money Oasis wanted from them.
SYDELL: Carbonite's chief counsel, Danielle Sheer.
SHEER: Well, the original number that was thrown out, I don't think it was official, was they wanted 20 million.
SYDELL: Based on this number, one expert we talked to thought Oasis might have brought in as much as $100 million suing people with Chris Crawford's patents.
BLUMBERG: $100 million. And who got that money? Well, according to documents filed with the court in Texas, 90 percent of the net profits went to Intellectual Ventures - 90 percent of potentially tens of millions of dollars. Intellectual Ventures declined our request to comment on this number.
SYDELL: Chris Crawford didn't make out too badly, either. The documents also say that Chris Crawford gets 17.5 percent of the money that Intellectual Ventures makes. Chris Crawford did not respond to repeated requests to comment for this story.
BLUMBERG: Because of the money you can make, lots of people are entering the patent assertion business. According to figures the president released this week, the number of patent assertion entity lawsuits in 2012 was nearly double what it was just a year earlier in 2011.
SYDELL: But as suits like this increase, more and more people in business interests want change - the tech industry, the supermarket industry, the consumer electronics association, Google, and now the president of the United States. I'm Laura Sydell.
BLUMBERG: And I'm Alex Blumberg for NPR News. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.


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