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BYU football: Max Hall apologizes for tirade
AnonymousDec. 5, 2009 9:20 a.m.
Who cares, GO Pokes..the best fans!
BYU, Where Hate Speech is GoodDec. 3, 2009 10:09 a.m.
I accept his apology.
:]Dec. 2, 2009 10:59 p.m.
What an amusing story. And even more amusing posts.
Big fanDec. 2, 2009 5:23 p.m.
Max that was the worst thing to do you have to live with that the rest of your life
AnonymousDec. 2, 2009 4:54 p.m.
The important issue here is not what happens to Max. The important issue is what is the U of U going to do to control the unruly fans?
DisappointedDec. 2, 2009 3:43 p.m.
My boyfriend's family all attended BYU, and I attend the U of U, so we have a friendly rivalry.
His dad always talks about how BYU's football team has a lot of return missionaries, and they all have their honor code, and especially good sportsmanship, etc. He says that when BYU does well, it brings attention to the Church.
I guess that's true. Although I cheer for the U of U, I was feeling happy for BYU until I found out that Max Hall had said this. So much for good sportsmanship, eh?
Great job Maxy-boy for wasting a good opportunity to represent your school and OUR religion by showing that you actually have no class after all. What an embarrassment. When people would talk about your interceptions, I used to say we should leave you alone, I don't think I'll do that anymore. What a let down.
Ute FanDec. 2, 2009 8:10 a.m.
Its ok i accept his apology but he went to far and The utes have never said anything about BYU until now it was a stupid thing to do! So we should all grow up and get over it!
AnonymousDec. 1, 2009 5:46 p.m.
LDS Ute Fan: THROWING BEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USC fan byu studentDec. 1, 2009 2:57 p.m.
I am a season ticket holder for USC football and have attended many games through the years in SO.CAL. versus big name schools like Notre Dame, Ohio State, UCLA etc. I am also a BYU student and last year I attended the Utah game versus BYU. I was perplexed at how rude the fans were. After leaving the game I called my father and said that Utah fans were the least classy team and fans that I have ever seen at any game that I have ever attended. Having said that, BYU is the second least classy team, their fans come late to the game and leave early, there is no tailgate traditions nor spirit. BYU fans are the biggest fair weathers fans that I have seen.I am said to say that I am a BYU fan because of HAll's comments, I am also saddened that it is called the HOLY WAR when each year the winning team wins with much CLASSLESSNESS!
AZ CougDec. 1, 2009 11:11 a.m.
I also think Max should have shut his mouth and been a gracious winner. He also could have said he doesn't have good feeling for the U based on last year's experience, but his diatribe was completely honest on how he felt.
YtxPatDec. 1, 2009 9:43 a.m.
As I went through security at the SLC airport last night returning to Texas after the game, the officer asked what might have Max said had we lost?
Although the words might have been correct. Something milder might have been wiser said.
Possibly it is time to go to a neutral field. That is how the TX-OU game has been for years.
Possibly after Checketts buys the St Louis Rams and moves them to a new stadium next to Real, the game can be moved there.
Until then, the conflict keeps going. Both of my parents are UofU graduates and I am the only one out of eight children with degrees to have picked BYU. Ours is a house of mixed emotions, but we all sat at the Thanksgiving table together.
Max is Ok by meDec. 1, 2009 8:55 a.m.
I am not LDS but I am perplexed at the "embarrassment" many Y fans express about Max's statement. If I had my family spit on and profaned I would be angry too. Perhaps he should have said it in a better way or in a different venue; but who can really argue with the validity of his feelings?
As for BYU's image: I much prefer the honest heartfelt anger of young man wronged over a carefully scripted PR stunt. Perhaps if BYU (and the LDS Church ) worried less about being "nice" and more about being real I would be more engaged.
I like BYU better because of Max's humanity: it is something I can relate to.
As far as I am concerned: Max was the best thing about BYU or Utah football this year.
AnonymousDec. 1, 2009 6:55 a.m.
well said. good job max hall
AnonymousDec. 1, 2009 6:02 a.m.
I found Hall's apology laughable. It was more of an excuse and why his hate-rave was justified than about regret. In the end, it was still all about him. Whatever! I got a good chuckle! BTW, when are we going to hear from Mendenhall or BYU administration regarding this event?
To those who believe the apology was scripted by BYU or coach, I disagree. The content of the "apology" indicates little if any change of heart.
Anonymous BystanderDec. 1, 2009 12:24 a.m.
I'd rather have a few classless fans than a classless Quarterback.
Instead of trying to justify your comments and convince us that we misunderstood you, maybe you should just admit that in the heat of the moment you got angry and said things that you shouldn't have said.
I would accept that as an apology, but this Press Release is just sad.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 11:15 p.m.
It's too bad that the rivalry of sporting events so often leads to immature and classless behavior. Why, exactly, do universities have sporting programs when they seem to encourage the very opposite characteristics in their students than those they are trying to instill?
Let down BYU FanNov. 30, 2009 10:10 p.m.
After all of Max Hall's years at BYU; not as a football player, but as a student I expected more. BYU is better than Max Hall's comments, and a big win will now be remembered by the immiture and unacceptable comments by a BYU Student who should know better. Max not only let down the fan with his comments, he let down BYU. Thanks for a great game; but regardless of circumstances and personal feelings, remember who you represent when you put on that uniform, when you step foot on BYU's campus, and when you speak as a representitive for this university.
MaxNov. 30, 2009 9:41 p.m.
Apology accepted.
Stop the Hate.
Go Utes!!!
JohnNov. 30, 2009 8:46 p.m.
Max Hall does not have to sink to the level of the Utes fans that abused his family - take the higher ground Max!!!
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 8:31 p.m.
I'm embarrassed for the Utah fans if they are treating his family like this...this is really disgraceful...being assaulted and needing to call the police? This is awful.
SeattlecougarNov. 30, 2009 6:25 p.m.
I WishNov. 30, 2009 6:22 p.m.
I kind of wish he hadn't apologized.
Intelligent people knew exactly what Max meant the second it left his lips, ie, we knew he didn't really mean "all" fans or "all" of the UofU. He was just caught up in the moment.
His apology seems to me to be a little like lowering the bar to satisfy idiots.
mattNov. 30, 2009 6:18 p.m.
seriously have none of you been a part of or heard about any other rivalry?? even in high school rivals hate each other. in any other rivalry in the nation a comment would be the least of anyone's worries. no one was hurt and no one got in a fight. and to all you who are offended because he's mormon it's not like he's a GA saying that. he's a football player. sure he goes to a mormon school but he doesn't talk for the church.
JerryNov. 30, 2009 6:18 p.m.
To all BYU,and Ute fans. To witness the horrible actions that take place by a few of our fans and not do anything about it you are just as guilty as they are!!!
gchrisNov. 30, 2009 6:17 p.m.
Amen, Max. I saw the real "class" in the Yewtah football program when their coach called for an onsides kick when they were 40+ points up on Wyoming a couple of years ago. I have also been in RES when dopey Utah fans were extremely abusive to visiting fans--and they weren't from BYU!
Clarification for "No Excuse"Nov. 30, 2009 6:16 p.m.
You're right that his apology was a weak one, but you're absolutely wrong when you say Hall was "representing the church." This was an official statement made by a FOOTBALL PLAYER. He's some punk kid who can throw a ball, not an appointed, sustained Church representative. He is only as much of a representative as any other member of the LDS faith.
He made a dumb comment while he was very emotional and he did what most college-aged FOOTBALL PLAYERS would do -- he ran his mouth and took it too far. An apology was more than necessary on his part and he dropped the ball on that one, but let's keep this in perspective, he's not a professional diplomat, he's not an Apostle, he's SOME KID who can throw a ball.
Making a big deal of this just feeds his self-righteous nature by giving him more credit than he deserves and that's the last thing he needs.
EarlNov. 30, 2009 6:11 p.m.
Let he who is perfect be the first to judge another. We need to remember it is a game and nothing more. Live and let live. I don't blame Max for his feelings, I'd feel the same way. Now Ute fans want to continue the bad feelings. How sad that some people feel the need to bully others who don't agree with their view. There are more important things to concentrate your energy on. Please move on and realize we all have faults and have made mistakes. Learn to LOVE and not hate.
JerryNov. 30, 2009 6:09 p.m.
Where in all of this is Utah's apology for the behaviour of their fans for the many acts perpatrated on Max and his family? This goes both ways and Utah fan action was just sick with the doll incident, beer thrown, and who knows just what all was said. Let's take a look at why this all happened to begin with over a football game...
Ute fan365Nov. 30, 2009 6:07 p.m.
Max Hall was just caught up in the moment. Give him a dang break. You should all stop crying about how he offended you. (wah wah... get over it)
ABNov. 30, 2009 6:04 p.m.
Thanks Max, for defending your family and religion from the modern-day mob.
And for beating the Ute football team...again.
My ThoughtsNov. 30, 2009 6:04 p.m.
I was at the game in Provo on Saturday night. It is sad that Max Hall's comments put focus on the part of the rivalry that crosses the line. I was sitting right next to UTE fans and we all appreciated the game. Personally, I just enjoy watching exciting football. I'm a big BYU fan, but I went to the Fiesta bowl a few years back between UT and Pitt because I know that having a team in the conference in a BCS game helps us move closer to a playoff system or something more fair. I don't think Max should have made the blanket statement that he did and I'm sure he wasn't happy about what he said. I think his apology was fine. He said that his comments about being classless were really directed to the few fans at RES that obviously need to grow up. Isn't that implying that he was wrong? Why does he have to say the words "I was wrong?" Aren't you smart enough to know that is what he meant. Let's enjoy the games and keep the rivalry the way it should be.
LeeNov. 30, 2009 5:53 p.m.
I believe fans are living their lives through their favorite teams. It's athletics and all fan and athletes should be good sports and enjoy the game. Cheer for your team and put your heart into it. But once the game is over, have respect for everyone and treat them the way you would want to be treated. We are all children of God.
byuNov. 30, 2009 5:52 p.m.
At least he doesn't act like a baboon or a drunk gorilla and throw crap, and do nasty things to others and especially family members of others. There are stupid fans on both sides for sure like in every team. but the utes outnumber BYU's stupid fans 5 to 1. He's not classless for those remarks. He's a human being and did not like all the crap that happenened to his family by dirty ute fans and was vocal about his dislike for them, and he's the classless one? That's backwards.
We Are GladNov. 30, 2009 5:30 p.m.
We are glad he's gone and can't wait for Mr. Heaps arrival.
UTE FanNov. 30, 2009 4:01 p.m.
Beck, Hall and Collie are are self-righteous and that is why they endure so much critisism. Hall is a whiny Rich kid that got sent home off his mission for acting like a baby. He did BYU no favors at all, Cougs should be glad he's gone.
just like . . .Nov. 30, 2009 3:58 p.m.
Max's big sin is that just for a moment he was acting and talking like a typical Ute fan.
G. CostanzaNov. 30, 2009 3:56 p.m.
You can stufff your sorrys in a sack, Mr.
BYU's PR dept really needs to work on their excuse rolodex.
7 Month MissionNov. 30, 2009 3:16 p.m.
I know why Max got sent home early from his mission. It is because one of his companions made fun of his ears and he punched them and got sent home for it.
Truly classless Maxine!
MarkNov. 30, 2009 3:05 p.m.
I was under the impression that RES was alcohol free, including beer. How did beer get dumped on his family if it wasn't there in the first place?
JbombNov. 30, 2009 2:56 p.m.
Max Hall may have made too much of a blanket statement, but we all knew what he meant when he said it. To all of the Utah fans that are LDS, I have never seen you take a stand and stop the garbage that goes on in RES when BYU plays there. No one said anything when the blow up doll of Max's mom was held up with a sign accompanying it. No one stopped the screaming of "where is your God now?" to Collie last year. You all sit in the stands and laugh as you watch the blue collar losers do what losers do. Take a stand and say something some time. I know that if my wife and mother were treated like Max's, it would take a small army to stop me from going after them. Way to be a man and have courage Max. Just next time, make sure it is directed to the right people so that thin skinned people can't react and act like they don't know what you are saying or that it's directed at them!! Go cougars.
TRUTHNov. 30, 2009 2:56 p.m.
Has anyone before now ever heard of the Max's family story? why did he wait an entire year? He must be brave to wait a year when nothing can be done, to start crying about it. Like the kid down the street that mouths off to you after you have turned your back and left.
LDS Utah ManNov. 30, 2009 2:48 p.m.
One thing is clear based on the multitude of classless messages throughout deseretnews.com on both sides of this topic: Neither team or its fans can truthfully claim to posses the moral high ground.
As a Ute, that alone is satisfying.
TexasCleveNov. 30, 2009 2:32 p.m.
I've been to the BYU-Oklahoma, Notre Dame, TCU, Alabama, and Air Force games. All of them away games. All of these games were with alot of class. Notre Dame band even played the Cougar fight song and prevented the selling of coffee at the game to honor BYU. Alot of respect courtesy was shown. No one was going to pour beer on you or speak profanity if you had a Cougar shirt on. Good Christians. There was no hostilities at the other games and you felt safe to bring your family. What has happeded to Utah? It used to be family friendly. Now there's alcohol and profanity? Was there no security at the game? Is Utah speaking out on the fan behavior or do they not care? I feel as if Texas is a better place to raise a family.
RE: A "Challenge"Nov. 30, 2009 2:24 p.m.
About storming the field | 12:47 p.m. Nov. 30, 2009
Of course we stormed the field. You would have done the same thing, as you do when you beat the Y.
The only difference is, we don't tear down our own goalposts, causing thousands of dollars of damage to our own school's property. That's just stupid.
Why not? The Utes paid for it anyway from the BCS proceeds we donated to BYU.
Max is a dweeb...Nov. 30, 2009 2:21 p.m.
It seems that every person who is not a Utah fan that has attended a game at RES has had "Beer" poured on them or been "spit" on. That's a nice "story" tds fans.
I've been to Laramie and to Provo as an opposing fan. TDS fans in Provo were far worse than Wyoming fans. I've heard worse language from tds fans at RES than any others. It goes both ways, so stop being the normal self-righteous morons that you usually are.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 2:12 p.m.
Nice Gesture but.. | 10:37 a.m. Nov. 30, 2009
I attended the game at the U last year.
Obscenities and religious hatred were the steady consistent themes while the fans there spewed their vile hatred. They threw garbage and beer at us as well. TOTALLY UNPROVOKED I MIGHT ADD.
WOW how shocking, the fact that you took this abuse and did nothing about. Even our cheerleader's fight back too bad ALL THESE BYU FANS are so weak.
CA CougarNov. 30, 2009 2:07 p.m.
Max, you are the the first to be punished for telling the truth. Silly posts from "LDS Utes fans" confirm that the truth is not pleasant.
OKNov. 30, 2009 2:06 p.m.
I'm trying to approach this issue with a level head. Those who are questioning what, if anything, happened to Hall's family last year b/c it wasn't reported have, with 100% certainty, never sat in RES as a BYU fan during a game. Reporting it to police? Are you kidding me? I've attended over 10 games as a BYU fan in RES and the entire experience is one of verbal, and even on one ocassion, physical abuse for simply cheering for my team. Don't try to question whether or not something happened because there's no police record. Anyone with any common sense who has attended a game at RES knows there's a problem with civility and hate speech.
Two Favorite CommentsNov. 30, 2009 1:59 p.m.
Here are the two comments that sum up everything I've read on this blog:
1) Where was the outrage at Urban Meyer putting BYU stickers in urinals? How is that for sportsmanship.
2) Remind me of the date and time that the University of Utah apologized to Max Hall for the treatment of Hall's family on university-owned property.
I stopped read after #2 because it said everything for me. Were Hall's words more insulting than the actions of these Utes to his family? Were his words more insulting than Meyer's urinal gimmick? Nuff said.
AZCougNov. 30, 2009 1:31 p.m.
AS a Coug living in AZ I was not aware of the commotion surrounding Max Hall after the Ute game until now. It's a disappointment to hear Max stooped to that level in his post game comments. I thought he would be above that. In a somewhat weak defense of him, I know where he is coming from. I grew up less than 15 min. from the U. I went to lots of their games over the years as a Cougar. I witnessed more than my share of classlessness on the part of Ute fans having all kinds of obscenities, beer and even physical abuse thrown my way. I remember when a BYU running back got hit late, out of bounds, and slid on that old turf hitting the concrete edging around the old track, knocking him unconscious. Dozens of Ute fans around me cheered the injury, even after they found out that his family was sitting right in front of me. It's not an old problem! Maybe, however, it's time for two well respected coaches to step up and call on the fans to transform the rivalry from the "H" word to the "R" word - RESPECT.
College?Nov. 30, 2009 1:26 p.m.
Time for BYU to give up football, a 'time-honored tradition' that too many members of the church have confused with their religion...
Previous Max BaggerNov. 30, 2009 1:25 p.m.
Max, you redeemed yourself after two years of not-so-great performance. You are now the ANGEL MAXONI revealing truth to the nation in these latter days.
I've been to almost every BYU/UTAH game in the last 20 years at Utah's RES. Without fail every year a (usually drunk) Ute fan comes in the middle of the BYU section in the SW endzone picking fights. Last year I beat the crap out of a Ute fan that walked to the middle of our BYU row in the middle of the BYU section and stood in front of my aged father-in-law for no reason and picked a fight with him. I have to admit it felt great after all those years of watching BYU fans get picked on. I know what Angel Maxoni said and it's causing waves because it it truth. Coach Wittingham needs to get control of his players as they have classlessly come across the field and taunted BYU players the last 2 years. Again, the truth hurts. Eat that for the next 365 days.
CounselingNov. 30, 2009 1:22 p.m.
Obviously Max needs a shrink.
forgivenessNov. 30, 2009 1:18 p.m.
so now we are judging apologies? How lame is that! Last I checked if someone apologizes, they have done their part. If you don't forgive them then thay is your problem. If it was not sincere, that is Max's problem. If Max is suspended, then surely David Reed should for throwing and connecting a punch to Jan Joregensen on the Utes first drive after being tackled for a big loss. I have not heard him apologize or be reprimanded for physical violence during the game. How lame is that!?
Max's MistakeNov. 30, 2009 1:14 p.m.
Max's mistake wasn't expressing his opinion. And the indignation in response isn't just misguided reverse-PC hypocrisy.
Max's mistake was being judgemental. He generalized about entire groups of people and institutions, which denigrated thousands of individuals who had nothing to do with his beef.
Judgementalism is among the worst of social behaviors because it promotes up hate and antagonism. Our heros should strive for better.
Danny WhiteNov. 30, 2009 1:13 p.m.
I wonder what part the great Danny White had in Max's apology? I am sure he was given some advice on what he needed to do after throwing his 2 year old tantrum.
Grow UpNov. 30, 2009 1:12 p.m.
Max was wrong to say what he said. He has a habit of running his mouth way too much. Reading some of the things he has said in the BYU school paper, I'm not surprised he did it.
To every Ute fan that thinks he should be punished, I say, "Really?" What happened when Wittingham ran the score up on Wyoming in 2007 because Joe Glenn ran his mouth off? Wittingham got off easy then and has to live with the hatred Wyoming now feels for Utah. Hall got off easy and BYU will have to live with the consequences of his words. Max will get what he deserves.
This rivalry has gone too far. The Utah fanatics (not your average fan) have become classless and the BYU fanatics (again, not your average fan) have become "holier-than-thou" snobs. Both sides seriously need to grow up since many people on both sides are Christian. Everyone just needs to grow up and practice it, including many players and fans. Next year will come soon enough and Utah will get it's shot at redemption.
BYU FANNov. 30, 2009 1:12 p.m.
Give the guy a break. His wife got spit on and assaulted. That said, he went too far and I am embarrassed for what he said and it was stupid. I have friends at the U and they are good people. We can all learn to avoid making sweeping statements.
But he apologized and we all need to move on. Just because someone is Mormon does not mean they are perfect. Anybody who expects mormons to be perfect are ignorant themselves. Some of those who attack BYU's faith do not take the time to even look at themselves. Sad.
re: About storming the fieldNov. 30, 2009 1:09 p.m.
But I thought the rivalry didn't mean as much to BYU as it does to Utah? Shouldn't you be above lowly Utah fans? Isn't that what you guys tell us all year?
A "Challenge"Nov. 30, 2009 1:06 p.m.
Hey Ute fan. Next year at the game wear a blue BYU cap and venture into RES. You can then report back that only a "few" ute fans harassed you, taunted you, screamed obscenities at you, threw out "F" bombs at you and maliciously maligned the LDS religion. I think you will find the "few" adds up to about 75% of Ute fans. Stop fooling yourself about the "few".
Long Time CougarNov. 30, 2009 12:58 p.m.
Hall's apology is just and fitting. He doesn't need to apologize for calling the Utah fans who harassed his family classless. If the shoe fits then wear it!
His original statement was a bit out of line even though I'm not fond of many of the Utah fans. I will state here that there are many good Utah fans but a larger part are of the other variety.
Yes, there are classless fans on both sides. But a greater number of those bad fans are at the school where you will find a large number under the influence of alcohol which makes them act out their dislike for the other school and fans.
Thanks Coach WhittNov. 30, 2009 12:49 p.m.
At least someone has class. I hope your wife is OK.
BYU fans = hypocrites
About storming the fieldNov. 30, 2009 12:47 p.m.
Of course we stormed the field. You would have done the same thing, as you do when you beat the Y.
The only difference is, we don't tear down our own goalposts, causing thousands of dollars of damage to our own school's property. That's just stupid.
I hate UtahNov. 30, 2009 12:45 p.m.
I hate their fans and I hate everything about them.
What mostly bothers me about ute fans (and even a few good people I know who are utes) is that they don't stand up and speak out against the worst fans who make them all look like inbred morons.
This goes especially for LDS ute fans. How can they live with people speaking filth and evil about their own religion without saying anything? They seem to be ok with it, as long as its directed at BYU.
Guess what, people... when they are denigrating Mormonism, that includes many of you ute fans, too! are you really ok with that?
Another example of PCNov. 30, 2009 12:38 p.m.
This is just another example of political correctness gone too far. Why can't he have an opinion? You can disagree with it, but he should be allowed to have an opinion. It is humorous how people always want 'free speech' until they disagree with it. Personally I feel the same way Hall does - If the roles were reversed and the quarterback's family was assaulted during the game in Provo the media (and everybody else) would be ALL OVER IT - crying hypocrisy because of the church affiliation. Pretty silly stuff. Just let the guy have an opinion and move on.
X Ute-FanNov. 30, 2009 12:37 p.m.
As a Ute grad, I've become an X-Ute-Fan
As expressed by a previous commenter I have been truly embarrassed by the Ute Fan's when I took my son's to a game at Ute Stadium. I know it's not the majority however it's more than a few, and far more and far worse than what happens at Y stadium.
Note however while Max has been castigated for expressing HIS feelings, he said nothing like "They are...", "He is....", "They do..." Max has made no personal attacks on persons or organizations. While I'm saddened about his strength of personal feelings, and that they extend beyond the fans. Fans who take his personal feeling as personal should simply take stock of this and be men enough to just blow it off. Irresponcible media coverage strikes again and brothers quit trying to make a buck off your own inanity and apologize completely to Max, the Y and the U and the fans.
Just gladNov. 30, 2009 12:26 p.m.
Max didn't apologize to the RES fans, because they owe him and all of BYU's fans and Utah's civilized fans an apology for the despicable and hateful way they behave.
It's football.Nov. 30, 2009 12:21 p.m.
Get off the couches and the soap boxes and focus on your families. I'm sure if most of you would give 1/10 the energy you give this trash, our families, communites and state would be a lot better. It's just football!
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 12:16 p.m.
The guy can't even apologize. Just more self-justification. At least his little tantrum goes to show that Utah, even when they lose, has the better program.
Proud?Nov. 30, 2009 12:07 p.m.
Is it ok for BYU fans to punch the coaches wife?
Is it ok for BYU fans to punch a Father and send him to the hospital. (2 years ago in LES...reported on KSL)
Look BYU fans your QB said some stupid things and your trying to justify his words. These things happen...get over it.
Should coach Whitt go on a rant about BYU because of some stupid fans. No! He has more class than that!
Quick QuestionNov. 30, 2009 12:02 p.m.
I have smailled and laughed at this wole thing for a very long time. As a Utah fan there is nothing that Max or any other Cougar can say to impact how I feel. I will not give them that power. But I do have to ask the question "How certain are you that it is beer being poured?" the reason I ask is because any alcohol at the game is illegal. I dont doubt something is being poured, which doesnt make it right, but I think that Cougar fans add that it is beer so they can make Utah fans sound worse. If you are going to smuggle in an illegal drink I would think it is for consumption.
BTW for the Cougar fans who say nothing happens at LES you are foolish my Wife was pushed down at halftime by a 50 year old Cougar fan while going to the bathroom. She didnt tell me until we left the stadium. But everyone needs to look in the mirror.
Trojan CougarNov. 30, 2009 11:56 a.m.
Max's apology sounds right and makes sense to me. In his position, I would have been angry with Utah fans, too. I can see how in the heat of the moment he generalized his feelings to the whole U of U community -- happens all the time.
If he wants to say he hates Utah fans for how they have treated him and his family, I think that's okay. I'd rather hear the truth than some insincere whitewash.
Hook 'em HornsNov. 30, 2009 11:35 a.m.
re: Gator In Utah | 10:40 a.m. Nov. 30, 2009
As long as the Zoobs wanna play victim & feed their persecution complex.
This verbal nonsense will STILL be going when the Utah/BYU game is played next yr.
Monkey see, monkey doNov. 30, 2009 11:34 a.m.
Here's one for you, BYU: last year, you guys were so angered by Utah's fans storming the field after wins. Comment after comment poked at the Utah fans for storming the field. Yet, what did you guys do following this game. You didn't even clinch a BCS birth, yet, you felt the need to storm the field. You were suppossed to BEAT the Utes BIG this year. What happened? This was a lot closer than it should have been.
U apology? For what?Nov. 30, 2009 11:32 a.m.
The U didn't ask for one, and the Y hasn't offered any. As a former student, and a supporter of BYU sports, I expect more from the Y and their athletes. It is now up to the Y to hold their athletes to the standards they advertise. There are plenty of places for my dollars to go, and if the Y is going to be no different then the rest of the pack, there are plenty of other worthy programs in need of support than the Y.
I am tired of seeing Y players swearing, taunting, and playing dirty on the field. Yes, the U players do this stuff too, very well, but they don't hold themselves as a standard for other schools. You put the Blue and White on, you agree to live by a higher standard. If can't do that, go play somewhere eles.
It is time for fans to stop making excuses for stuff like this. Winning is important, but so is how you do it.
Mark A.
Lindy in ColoradoNov. 30, 2009 11:30 a.m.
After reading (for years) University of Utah fans spew hate-filled comments against BYU's fans, players, relatives, and the church that sponsors the university, FINALLY we have a man, a quarterback, who threw political correctness "to the wind" and said it like it really is: So many U of U fans, on so many levels, really ARE CLASSLESS. The seething Mormon-bating and hating is not even thinly veiled most of the time. The same folks in red who bring us Provo Girl Beer, constant anti-church jokes, "holier than thou" statements about BYU, and reams of unprintable expletives, just cannot stand hearing a little truth about themselves.
Another observation: When BYU wins "the holy war" (how dumb can we be using that expression), we all hear about it for a few weeks, maybe even a few days. If Utah wins the big game, all of us hear about it for the next 364 days.
ps: Here comes more wrath boiling over from residents of the hill east of SLC.
football4Nov. 30, 2009 11:27 a.m.
Max Hall Classy??? Give me a break. He has always had a chip on his shoulder but as we all know he cant make a play in the big game. I find it interesting that we are just now hearing about this problem that happened last year. Why didnt you say anything last year??? or was he still crying about throwing 4 picks
PDX Utah & BYU fanNov. 30, 2009 11:26 a.m.
Well after Halls remarks, I have a very low opinion of him. This has taken away from the Cougars victory in a hard fought game. I respect both teams, there are problems on both sides with the fans. As for the rivalry this has boosted it up a notch. As for this year I will Root for Utah in their bowl game. For the Cougars in theirs but NOT for Max!! Sports talk shows up here in the NorthWest say that Bronco should bench Hall for a quarter to set a statement to the rest of the team. That this is not acceptable way to represent a school with such high standards.
Quit CryingNov. 30, 2009 11:24 a.m.
Heck, quit crying about how you are treated during the games. Try going to Yankee stadium as a Boston fan. Last year I went to the NLDS played at Dodger Stadium. I was decked out in my Cubs gear. Did I expect everyone to be nice to me? NO! I was treated very maliciously, BUT I EXPECTED IT. That's the point here. If you can't deal with it, don't go to the games. When I attend BYU home games in my Utah shirt, I expect some harrassment. It's a part of sports. If you are too sensitive to handle it, then stay home and watch it on TV. Some of you don't know what vulgar is until you have been to a game in Philadelphia or New York.
re-AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 11:21 a.m.
You are comparing Max to a crooked politician or high profile businessman? How does Max compare to that? Like it or not!!! Max has the American right to have and express his opinions. Did he lie or steal? Did he cheat anybody? Do you think Christ wouldn't speak out against loud laughter and the kind of rudeness which was shown towards his famaliy? Max is no Christ and went alittle overboard, but did apologize for it. I'm proud he had the guts to speak out.
BYU StudentNov. 30, 2009 11:19 a.m.
Max is an embarrassment. I can't believe that some of you are giving him props for apologizing when he obviously was forced to do so. I have had a couple classes with him and heard him use plenty of expletives to describe his feelings about Utah. He feels no remorse.
It was a great game that could have gone either way. Sadly, Max Hall will be remembered for being and example of poor sportsmanship and not a good athlete. Thank goodness Riley will be leading the team next year and there will be a superior athlete and person directing the BYU offense.
The list will go on and on of people misbehaving on both sides. Others actions have never justified sinking to their level. Also Max should spend a little bit more time in his classes and figure out what it means to be a hypocrite.
re: Ernest T. Bass | 9:01 a.m.Nov. 30, 2009 11:16 a.m.
"Max is so awesome, righteous and so humble. I can't wait to watch him play in the NFL."
Dear Ernest (aka classless), based upon your posting history, you are not in a position to be judging anyone; sarcastically or otherwise.
WALTER MITTYNov. 30, 2009 11:13 a.m.
Your ability to step up and apologize, will help you become the man you want to become.
Although your feats on the gridiron are legendary, this one, off the gridiron, is one I will never forget.
Thank you.
True BlueNov. 30, 2009 11:06 a.m.
We all say things in the heat of the moment. Anyone out there that hasn't done that? Remember, none of us are perfect.
Typical BYU athleteNov. 30, 2009 11:05 a.m.
Team has a nice win over their rival and Max wants to turn the attention to himself. NICE.
TomNov. 30, 2009 11:01 a.m.
what apology? that was an excuse....
The REAL ApologyNov. 30, 2009 11:00 a.m.
should come from Jordan Wynn for wasting a tremendous defensive effort. Wynn looked completely overmatched in the big games this year.
Mrs. JensenNov. 30, 2009 10:56 a.m.
Max did nothing other than tell the truth. It's a sad state of affairs. But there it is.
RebeccaNov. 30, 2009 10:54 a.m.
All you folks who say that there is no beer inside the RES have your heads in the sand or have never attended a game there. I went to the game last year and will probably never go back. We sat in the visiting team section, and the behavior of literally hundreds of Ute fans was extreme, physical, vile and atrocious. Something had to be said, and as a leader, Max thought he should be the one to do it. Hopefully, we can all start over. Or at least, police our own.
UU facultyNov. 30, 2009 10:53 a.m.
I don't see any difference between what he said and his excuse and someone saying `A mormon once mistreated a friend or family member of mine, so I hate mormons they have no class'. Then when someone is bothered that you said that, saying I apologize for hating mormons but a mormon once mistreated a friend or family member of mine, so that's why. I really don't see a difference between this and what the quaterback of the church owned school team said about hating everything and everyone affiliated with our university.
LDS UTE FANNov. 30, 2009 10:51 a.m.
No CLASS! You should be a role model and be above this. Yes I am a U FAN and always will be. You played a great game and won the game. This has always been a rivalry on both sides but your comments couldn't have been more out of line. Your true colors came out SHAME ON YOU! You call yourself Mormon? Not the ones I know act anything like you. Your poor team mates and family, you embarrassed them!
Who cares?Nov. 30, 2009 10:49 a.m.
Max doesn't matter, competitive sports don't matter. None of this matters in the least, and yet it is the #1 topic today. What does that say about us?
CatsNov. 30, 2009 10:47 a.m.
I ALSO went to both schools and I have seen a lot of behavior in both stadiums.
Is there some tacky behavior on the part of BYU fans? Yes. Is there ANY comparison between BYU fans and UTE fans? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I have NEVER seen ANY BYU fan behave in ways that I have seen MANY Ute fans behave. THERE IS NO COMPARISON.
A few years ago, a BYU player actually had to run up into the stands to defend his father who was being attacked by a drunk Ute. My nephew was standing next to it and helped bring down the drunk Ute. This is only ONE example of MANY things that happen among Ute fans all the time. Max's situation with his family was NOT unique.
What Max said was absolutely the truth and I agree with "went to both schools" that it will only stop when decent Ute fans speak up to put a stop to it. Either that or the obnoxious Ute fans will have to GROW UP. I don't expect that to happen any time soon.
So whyNov. 30, 2009 10:45 a.m.
didn't Hall's family file assault charges last year? Why wasn't anything done last year? I feel sad that Max has carried this anger & resentment all year to this game. He couldn't really concentrate on this game because he wanted revenge? They had the game in the bag & what happened? He apologized, let it go.
Move onNov. 30, 2009 10:44 a.m.
I think Max regreats what he said after the game Saturday. He has aplogized and now its time for us to move on. If we keep complaining about it or bring it up then we fall into the same trap Max did and that is holding a grudge. He has apploigied. Its time to accept his appology and move on.
HowieNov. 30, 2009 10:42 a.m.
While at least Hall was wise enough (or was BYU's administration prodding him?) to apologize for his rant, one has to be puzzled why any of the so called behavior by Utah fans was never reported by the media or Hall previously. If it was such a big deal in 2008--why didn't we hear about it. A starting QB's family being descended upon by unruly fans enough to get the police involved sounds like a page one story--if it happened the way Hall said it did. Seems like an easy out for his behavior Saturday after the game. Utah is going to use his rant for a good five years to get the Utes motivated for the rivalry.
byu fanNov. 30, 2009 10:42 a.m.
even though his comments were not very classy they were truthful. football is a rough game and people get hurt - on the field. when overzealous fans start harrassing his wife and elderly mother then that is out of line. this is an issue that should be addressed. i hope mike young takes this opportunity to beef up security at res. people here who are blogging against his statement never intended to accept his apology anyway. let this be a lesson learned for all of us. if you are at les or res show some class and treat others with respect no matter who they are rooting for.
Gator In UtahNov. 30, 2009 10:40 a.m.
How much more life does this story have?
Goes Both Ways..Nov. 30, 2009 10:39 a.m.
Bottom line, it goes both ways with BYU & Utah fans....the fans really need to GROW UP! Those very few rude & brainless fans ruin it for everyone when they act like classless jerks at these rivalry games. It just shows you how immature these type of people are. True fans are respectful of everyone, whether they are fans of BYU or Utah, most fans are civil & respectful of each other, we just have to have those few fans who were not taught how to be respectful of others.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 10:39 a.m.
I've been to RES for the BYU-Utah game, it can get pretty bad. Max's statements were wrong and inappropriate, but the U needs to clean up RES, that place can get ugly and nobody tries to stop it.
All fans just need to grow up.
THEeyepatchNov. 30, 2009 10:39 a.m.
I don't think he should be expelled from BYU, that's absurd. He didn't break any laws, get in any drunken brawls, or make any racial comments. He voiced his opinion and that should be respected. I know if anyone threw beer and assaulted my family I would take it a bit personal to. If you wouldn't then your not human and possibly a robot from the future looking for someone named John Connor. The only thing I don't respect is the apology, I get tired of dumb athletes running their mouth and then when everyone around them tells them shouldn't do that, their sorry. Be a man and stand by your words. You hate Utah, so what, your college career is over. Your legacy has been tarnished and you have taken away the focus on beating your rival. No one will remember that, just your bone head remarks.
I WOULDN'T WANT THE BURDENNov. 30, 2009 10:38 a.m.
of being a player for BYU. Obviously words and actions result in the heat of battle that players and fans regret, ON BOTH SIDES. But BYU players and fans have the added burden of being hypocrites when they lose control. The fact is, both sides have the same responsibility for their conduct as part of the NCAA. Regardless of BYU's higher standards, and their one or two years greater average age, they're still 18-25 year olds playing a game based on a high amount of adrenilen and emotion. Maybe we can cut the same amount of slack for both sides.
Nice Gesture but..Nov. 30, 2009 10:37 a.m.
I attended the game at the U last year.
From the time we started driving into the parking lot to the time we left it was a steady stream FROM ALOT of U fans.
Obscenities and religious hatred were the steady consistent themes while the fans there spewed their vile hatred. They threw garbage and beer at us as well. TOTALLY UNPROVOKED I MIGHT ADD.
Everyone always says there are exceptions to every rule. Well, at Rice Eccles we were verbally assaulted from most of the fans we passed by. There were even some who physically bumped us in attempts to provoke physical altercations on purpose as they screamed obscenities into our ears just inches away.
If it had been 1 or 2 here or there that is one thing but it wasn't.
Real lowlife.
People can choose to do what they want I guess but just be prepared to accept the reputation and in the case of UTAH FANS they are AMONG THE LOWEST OF THE LOW.
just meNov. 30, 2009 10:37 a.m.
I know coach W and he is a great guy but what is with the taunting before the game even started? BYU was just finishing announcing the seniors when the UofU team ran out and started swearing at and taunting them and their family. and this is not the first year or only time that has happened. BYU fans booing the U band was pretty bad too. Is there anyone here who has NOT said something in the heat of the moment that we regretted later? There have been worse by both sides over the years. I echo What Coach M said; I do not condone what Max said but I can understand where it was coming from.
I have been to football and basketball games in every college venue in the state and sitting by the U student section is no place for the timid (or for the young). Maybe the only place worse would be Wyoming. Is being drunk and vulgar part of being a good fan? and yes BYU; more is expected of you. can you live up to it? Both schools need to get this under control because it is making both look bad.
The HulkNov. 30, 2009 10:36 a.m.
It's amazing how many people have transformed themselves to a state of low thinking classlessness from this whole incident.
In wonderNov. 30, 2009 10:34 a.m.
This comment is directed to CA LDS. Your comment disturbed me. To quote a scripture and pass judgement on Max Hall is a shame. You just pronounced to the world you are a hypocrit. You have judged his moral character based on one minor indiscretion. Some LDS people in Utah do things like spitting, swearing, and attacking. Maybe because Max is LDS and knows the majority of U fans are LDS is why he hates the U. Remember your own advice, "words are like bullets". You have made a mistake as bad as the beer throwers. You passed judgement and punishment on a young man. Keep scripture out of it and don't judge someone so quickly. It was a football game and Max put no shame on the LDS faith.
Proud ?Nov. 30, 2009 10:34 a.m.
Ok so what I am hearing from all of this is ....
1. It's ok for Utah fans to do what ever they want during or after a game.
2. BYU fans should know better than to attend games in the hate fest of Salt Lake City so just don't go.
If I am a Ute fan I am very proud of my low - budget behavior ? NOT!!
Great programs are respected not just because of wins and losses but because of class behavior. Notre Dame , USC, etc... are class acts from the players on the field to fans and that support the program. Low budget programs don't prosper and are never respected.
WrongPlaceNov. 30, 2009 10:29 a.m.
Everyone is saying for the U fans to move on and forget about it. Why not say that to Max...How long has he been carrying this around? He was wrong to use the soapbox after the game to enjoy, with his team,the sweet victory. But no, he used that forum to spout his personal vendetta. He might have well used the pulpit to vent his anger, at least most of his listeners would agree. Max should give a valid apology, not just empty words to justify his feelings.
Yank your ponytail?Nov. 30, 2009 10:25 a.m.
What are sports coming to these days? Sainted mothers beating people to death with thier babey strollers. Steriod use out of control. Fan punching coaches wives while throwing things in the stands and on to the field. Max is a product of this enviorment. The ony real question you need to be asking yourself is - am I? Please stop all the anger and hate the only way you really can - with yourself.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 10:23 a.m.
Most of these comments are indicators of the sad state of our society! There is NO condoning the comments-apology or not, rivalry or not, important match or no, previous treatment or not, any other EXCUSE or not! Teach children to be respectful and not self-serving (Christlike comes to mind). If you can't hadle the situations/responsibilities that come with the positions, don't put yourself in those positions. And everyone else, stop putting people on pedestals and making excuses for them-No wonder we have such problems with pro-athletes, polticians, and the high profile businessmen. They become what they are cause too many people go to extremes to make what is done OK, even if it's not.
re: Classless Fan | 7:37 a.m.Nov. 30, 2009 10:14 a.m.
you are aptly named
signed, former U student who no longer roots for the U
JOHN WAYNENov. 30, 2009 10:10 a.m.
Any man not upset with the trash thrown at his family is no man! Max!! You showed true grit.
bleedredNov. 30, 2009 10:08 a.m.
Re: Mark a BYU fan
I agree with your statement entirely, we as fans need to take the hate out of sports and life in general, it is not a very good way to live one's life. What happened to Max's family is a disgrace, but you don't lump an entire group of people to the actions of a few, as in life. There are bad apples where ever you go and it's shameful. Max didn't really apologize, he just tried to justify what he said andthat is still wrong.
I also agree with LDS Ute Graduate that if he truly wanted to apologize he would man up to a camera and apologize to the majority he affended.
EmbarrassmentNov. 30, 2009 10:08 a.m.
Embarrassing as a cougar fan and member of the LDS faith. How could he be so stupid? It's tough trying to represent a religion with a sports team, especially football, and things like this really set the team and the church back.
Where is the Utah appology?Nov. 30, 2009 10:04 a.m.
Hmmm, I guess I missed the Utah apology for last years assault on Hall's family. But I guess if you listen to some of these moronic comments from Utah fans Max made the whole thing up. Listen Utah fans, you rank right there with low - life Wyoming fans which drains all the luster from any BCS respect you might have gained last year. If you want respect you have to act with class and earn it.
Good GriefNov. 30, 2009 10:04 a.m.
The whole thing reminds me of Lucy and Charlie Brown kicking a football... Lucy is a Ute and Charlie is the naive Cougar. It was just a game...
Accept the apology. YES it was needed! Move on.
And remember Texas Christian was the one true "Christian Champion with class" of the MWC!
Now all you Utes and Cougars can sit down and be quiet. YOU LOST A LARGE MEASURE OF DIGNITY OVER a game...?
Good grief! Put all the fans fans on both sides in anger management classes--for class act training.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 10:00 a.m.
And by the way everyone - the Utes Lost
NormalGuyNov. 30, 2009 9:57 a.m.
I can't think of a greater waste of resources than college football.
I give Hall a passNov. 30, 2009 9:54 a.m.
I am certainly not a fan of the y or Hall. But considering the amount of abuse Max has taken for a whole year from his worst game played ever, I can see how his emotions got the best of him.
For 12 months now there has hardly been a y football story where someone, including myself, hasn't commented mentioning Hall and his 5 interceptions. Sometimes we forget there is an individual on the other side of our banter.
Still expect Max to choke in his final bowl game. Sorry.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 9:53 a.m.
Apology issued through the school's media relations dept?
So, would that be the DN, Channel 5, channel 2 or one of the other alleged unbiased media outlets here in Zion?
Y bother?Nov. 30, 2009 9:52 a.m.
Sounds like the typical non-apology apology you'd get from a GOP politican when they get caught doing something naughty after a family values speech.
JTNov. 30, 2009 9:51 a.m.
I don't know if there's a man alive, in a similar situation as brother Hall, who might not spout off something he didn't necessarily mean to say with the words that came out of his mouth. None of us immune from the occasional inappropriate remark, and all those who remain critical of Max after his apology need to look in the mirror at their own past words and actions before anchoring themselves in unforgiving criticism of someone else. The man made a mistake, he confessed and offered an appropriate response and apology, and now will move on with his life, as well he should. Everyone else should let him be, as well.
PR SpinNov. 30, 2009 9:51 a.m.
It's not an apology it's an excuse for what he said.
Plus, as a classesless season ticket holder I don't need an apology 3 of 4 leads to Vegas after airport celebrations is just fine with me. Enjoy #2 Max you really "deserved to win".
Boise CougarNov. 30, 2009 9:50 a.m.
Max Hall is the real deal; a true class act, and I am proud to have him represent Brigham Young University. Most of the time, when someone speaks the truth the guilty take the truth to be hard and they lash out at the person who spoke the truth instead of lashing out at the dispicable behavior that he was speaking out against.
Ute fans = classless. Max Hall - class act!
ATCNov. 30, 2009 9:46 a.m.
Most of you criticize Hall's comments, but put yourself in his place. You have just lead your team to victory against a team that is your rivals. To add to that, he has been criticized all year because of his performance last year, and it was your time to show what he can really do. Then to have your family harrased and assulted at the game, not one of you would not be angry. He has prepared all year for a chance to redeem himself. I think his goal was directed at Utah fans, but he turned it into the team and University, because that is how he would achieve his goal. After the gamehe was still caught up in entire program, and not the fans that hurt his family.
BLWNov. 30, 2009 9:43 a.m.
I believe more went on on the field Saturday than many of us knew. If you observed facial expressions, you might have seen that words were exchanged on many occasions. It is not like Max to appear so irritated. There was incredible pressure to win this game, as well. Many of us might say things we don't fully intend in the heat of the moment, thus reflecting on and including previous events. I believe Max wants us to understand the triggers, as he apologizes for behavior not a true reflection of his feelings.
Ute FanNov. 30, 2009 9:39 a.m.
I think this apology is fine. Of course he's still angry about how is family was treated; I would be too. He has acknowledged that it was wrong to lump the whole program, coaches, and players in with a group of nasty fans. And he acknowledged that his behavior detracted from the victory.
Let's not abuse players' families at RES anymore.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 9:37 a.m.
WOW a lot of ranting and raving!! People are human and make mistakes in the heat of the moment.When all those so heavily criticizing MAx for being human are perfected, perhaps then a stone should be cast!
My daughter has been raised by two "true blue" Cougars. She has recently committed to the University of Utah to represent them through athletics. We have respect for both universities and the advantages in education, religion and athletics which they both offer.
It is VERY unfortunate that a few raunchy fans can blacken the wonderful history of competition and brotherhood that Utah and BYU share. We as fans should clean up our acts and let the athletes concentrate on the game!!!
Big JNov. 30, 2009 9:27 a.m.
Like most "Bubble Boys in Blue", you think only bad fans and behavior happens at Utah.
It is true some Utah idiots, are empowered with "Liquid Courage" and cross the line. No true Utah fan likes or wants this behavior. I have put stops to this at RES in the past and will continue to do so in the future.
With that said, I have been treated the exact same way (pop not beer) at LES and that behavior was from the entire section I was setting in. Did I think for a minute that that was the behavior of all BYU fans? Not for a minute.
When I got the "Bird" from numerous BYU clad fans as I enjoyed the Utah tailgate party, Did I think that was common BYU fan behavior? No.
The sad part for Max is that he did not let it go.
Maybe now he has learned his lesson and has grownup.
Go Utes!
Who caresNov. 30, 2009 9:26 a.m.
Max Hall... you have one more game left in your career unless you head to Canada. No scout will look at you because you can never handle pressure. On your comments I commend you because you spoke what you have been taught for the last 4 years.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 9:25 a.m.
Its time our two Universities let some so called fans know that their behavior is not acceptable. People who throw things or physically assault someone should be arrested and never allowed back in the stadium. They are not fans. Those who verbally assault someone to the point of being out of control should be escorted out of the stadium by security. They are not fans. This is a game between two teams of talented athletes. It is to be enjoyed by those who watch. We should not have to sit and endure the bad behavior of a few.
Cougar FanNov. 30, 2009 9:23 a.m.
Max, I have admired you through your football career. You are a fantastic Quarterback and member of the Cougar football team. You do not have to apologize for your comments. The game was fantastic and we did deserve to win. Thanks for making that happen. Stop beating yourself up. I think we would all say the same things you said if our families had been threatened.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 9:21 a.m.
I think Max Hall is just sorry that the majority of readers of the Deseret News were so outraged at his words and expressed themselves in such a great number. Last count there were over 500 comments with about 90 per cent unfavorable to Max. If everyone had expressed agreement to his ugly words, he'd continue being the little punk he was on Saturday. He's more sorry that people didn't support his actions.
Similar StoryNov. 30, 2009 9:21 a.m.
Last year my 14 year old sister in law and 85 year old grandma were pushed around and spit at for wearing Cougar Blue at RES. My family had to sprint to their car after the game ended for fear of their safety. Max apologizing was the right thing to do in the name of diplomacy...but what he said is right on. The Utes and their fans are classless.
neither a coug nor a ute #2Nov. 30, 2009 9:19 a.m.
I'm the Utahn/Mormon that's neither a cougar fan nor a ute fan (thank goodness). A couple more comments....
BYU should GET TOTALLY OUT of competitive collegiate sports, and focus 100% on high-quality, religious-based education. All this malarky is ridiculous, embarrassing, distracting and un-Christlike!!!
And I think the UofU (i.e., Michael Young, Chris Hill, Coach Kyle, the community, alums, and "legit" Ute fans --which is a majority of their fans--) need to PURGE the bad apples out of RES, and get control of this totally stupid situation. You guys are a MAJOR embarrassment to me and to this entire state.
ReloadNov. 30, 2009 9:19 a.m.
The U admin should apologize to Hall's family for the behavior of its fans. It should have had sufficient security at home games to actually prevent assaults. The decent Ute fans should police their own to stop the shower of f-bombs and vulgarities on young visiting fans. Ute fans know this happens and to say it is worse in LES is just stupid. Out of safety concerns, I don't take my kids to RES any more.
To Max Hall, sorry you had to apologize. You said what needed to be said for a long time.
To Whittingham, where were you at the end of warm ups when your players came across the field to shout obscenities at the BYU players? Why did the ref's have to do your job in controlling your team? Max had it right the first time.
In all this, let's not lose track of what is really important here. BYU won and the Utes lost.
Riley Nelson bowl Q.B.Nov. 30, 2009 9:18 a.m.
President Samuelson, Coach Broncho:
If the bowl Q.B. is MAX
BYU $$$ donations will be MIN
Is there a police report on the terrible things done last year at Rice Eccles or is that "spin" too?
I think he was "mad" at the media and blamed it on "UTAH" as he dared not say they were "wrong" because they were "right". Who ever brought him to Utah should control him so long as he is is uniform.
went to both schoolsNov. 30, 2009 9:17 a.m.
I've been to BYU/Utah games at both LES and RES. I attended both schools. Everyone knows how different the atmosphere is at RES than at LES. I've read many comments for LDS Ute fans that say, its a small minority of Ute fans. It's NOT! Until Coach Whit, President Young and the other LDS Ute fans put their foot down, take a strong stand and end the nonesense at RES, this will continue unabated, perhaps until someone is seriously hurt. The ball sits in the court of those Ute fans that say they disagree with the actions of the "few". As long as they remain silent (in words and action), they effectively condone what goes on at RES.
I refuse to throw Max Hall under the bus for stating what was, and is true. BYU fans should put themselves in the Hall family shoes before they make their judgements.
CA LDSNov. 30, 2009 9:17 a.m.
Totally unacceptable behavior. Words are like bullets, you can't take them back.
I hear on a local radio station in San Diego, "Mormons vs Mormons, can't get better than that" .
If Max is LDS, he has just made a mockery of what we stand for…Christianity. Regardless of what Ute Fans did to your family last year, (who were most likely not LDS if they were pouring beer on them) shame on you for stepping down to their level.
Matt. 18: 21-22
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I aforgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until aseventy times seven.
BYU FanNov. 30, 2009 9:12 a.m.
I remember several years attending a game at LES. The Utes won the game. Every time the Utes would score the cheerleaders would taunt the fans in the North endzone by waving the Ute Flag at them. This was despicable. But what was even more despicable was that when they did that all kinds of garbage including drinks,(sprite and caffeine-free coke of course)were hurled out of the stands at the Ute cheerleaders. Two years later, the same thing happened, only this time an 18-year kid jumped out of the stands and tackled the cheerleader. We was of course pummeled by the cheerleader and smacked with an assault charge. So although it wasn't beer, BYU fans can not claim classy. Both sides have fans that are classless. It is too bad, but it is that way at every school (notre dame included).
Good Job Max.....Nov. 30, 2009 9:10 a.m.
He apologized for his poor statements, I accept it. If you put a camera in my face when I was 24, it would've been ugly (much worse). He was wrong and he's apologized for it.
NOW, I would like to hear an apology from the University of Utah to Max's family for the gorilla fans who poured beer and spit on them.
ANY fans (BYU or UTAH) who attack family members of players are total cowards and complete pieces of garbage.
SammyNov. 30, 2009 9:09 a.m.
Lame apology. You are still trying to justify yourself.
Bronco should ban you from even talking to the media.
Eastern ObserverNov. 30, 2009 9:09 a.m.
It's always amazing to me that so many of you making comments on this are more hypocritcal than Max. By the way, everyone is a hypocrite, just some of you are showing more of it than others. Get a life and move on. ALL sports venue's could do a lot more to make things more safe and enjoyable for the average fan. There are crazies in a lot of stadiums and the liquor doesn't help. I'm glad Max brought this debate to the forefront again. Sorry yo hear that it's 10 times worst in GatorNation, but even more punks attending that school. I've toned down my enthusiasim for a lot of sports - especially attendence because of the excess criminal element in those environments. Plus too expensive to have to deal with that garbage. Hopefully those in charge will realize this and make the appropriate changes to make things safer.
KDNov. 30, 2009 9:08 a.m.
Now that Max has apologized for his behavior, who is going to apologize to him and his family for theirs?
Utah FansNov. 30, 2009 9:06 a.m.
Want some cheese with your whine?
Me and DerNov. 30, 2009 9:04 a.m.
So why wouldn't the Ute fans get over it and very quickly.
Aren't they, after all, grown up university students?
As any mature person understands, when children continue a fight by saying
"he/she did it first" there is but one remedy; stop.
Therefore, little children, just stop.
We will now easily recognize who those children are
by the things they say from this point on.
AshamedNov. 30, 2009 9:04 a.m.
I have read the comments above. Some of them show ignorant minds using slang and crude words. It is not necessary, and shows the small mentality of some fans. Basic issue here Ute fans were wrong and should be ashamed. Max Hall was too strong in his words but what was at the heart of what he said? He was indignant about what happened to his family. Ute fans need to take stock of themselves and hang their heads in shame. From some of the comments above some UTE fans have just agreed with the ignorant fans who attacked Max Hall's family. You can not even express you feelings with good language skills. No one has the right to attack Max's family. The U won last year! Spitting,swearing, and attacking the quarterback's family was the essence of stupidity. Step up University of Utah do you have the guts to apologize to Max?
The RealityNov. 30, 2009 9:03 a.m.
Judging from U fans reactions on here, they are just as mad at his apology as they were at the remarks. It's easy to see they just want something to be mad at aside from the final score.
When Scalley or Kruger says they hate the Y, nothing happens. When a BYU player says the same thing, it causes an uproar from the same fans. What losers! When you can stop viewing things with your double standard, you can participate. Thanks for justifying ALL of Hall's comments.
nice apologyNov. 30, 2009 9:03 a.m.
Nice apology where you talk only about yourself and restate all the things you said yesterday. What a narcissist. Bench him
Classless . utesNov. 30, 2009 9:03 a.m.
Ute fans were so vulgar and over the top last year that yes I would consider a very large portion if ute fans classless. While not all ute fans were involved not one fan stepped in and said anything to the obnoxious fans. If you can sit and watch a whole section of your fans scream cuss words, spit, throw alcohol, and say discriminatory remarks about someones religion to a group of 8 fans for 4 hours and not step in and try to calm them down than yes you're classless too. All that happened to me and my friends plus more than 15 kids wandered out of theirbseats tonours and tried to pick a fight and not a single ute fan did anything to stop it
Title of HatredNov. 30, 2009 9:02 a.m.
No apology is needed. Max only vocalized the emotions of the all fans on both sides of the rivalry. We hate them, They hate us. Long may this title of hatred flourish! It is simply delicious! It is the perfect diversion from life's everyday, mundane problems and challenges.
Ernest T. BassNov. 30, 2009 9:01 a.m.
Max is so awesome, righteous and so humble. I can't wait to watch him play in the NFL.
Utah FanNov. 30, 2009 9:00 a.m.
Thanks for the apology and I apologize for the Utah fans who wronged you and your family. We look forward to a healthy meeting next year.
If it had happened to me...Nov. 30, 2009 8:59 a.m.
Granted, I'm a BYU fan, and NOT a Ute fan, so maybe I'm cutting more slack here than a Ute fan would, but if someone spit at and threw beer at my family, I'd be pretty ticked, too. I don't think it would go away any time soon. I also think I'd blame the organization for allowing fans to behave that way. I do NOT think that I would have spoken out in that way with a mic in front of me, but then again, I've not been in his position.
Should he have been that strong in his statements? No. Should he backtrack entirely and say he didn't mean it? Certainly not. I think his clarification of why he feels such animosity is fitting. Like I said, I'd be ticked too. It's just a football game. Don't harass the family. And, if someone does, expect the husband to be ticked.
neither a coug nor a ute am iNov. 30, 2009 8:59 a.m.
I'm a proud Utahn and a faithful Mormon. And I'm neither a cougar fan NOR a ute fan (thank goodness).
From my perspective, BOTH schools --to varying degrees-- represent my state AND my religion (yes, utes, you read that correctly! By bearing the *NAME* of MY state, in a very real sense, you ALSO represent --by association-- my religion, since most people around the world equate "Utah" with "Mormons.")
So EVERYBODY SHAPE UP AND GROW UP!!!
Rivalry gone wildNov. 30, 2009 8:57 a.m.
Max Hall is part of the fall out from a rivalry gone off the deep end. Something needs to be done to tone this thing down and it all starts with both coaches stepping up and speaking publicly to the fan base. The way Max's family was treated is criminal and those Utah fans responsible should have had charges filed against them and spent some time in jail along with some hefty fines. Hall's comments were wrong to condemn the entire university and coaching staff and he acknowledged that however put your self in Max's place for a moment and think .... how would you react? It's really easy to set back and judge Max but oh how things change if you put yourself in his position. For any person commenting on this article who thinks they would have reacted any different than Max I say you are being dishonest and you know it. This rivalry has turned UGLY and unless something is done to tone it down there will be worse incidents in the future.
re: Apologetic UteNov. 30, 2009 8:56 a.m.
You are a reasonable person. You are more like the Ute fans I've seen and known in my life outside of RES. Inside RES, I've seen way too many of those that throw things and hit my 14 year old brother. Say things to my minor members of my family which are vile and disgusting. Max Hall reminds me of me when I first went to RES and experienced that level of degrading assault. He is learning how to deal with it and he'll come around. I've never seen things thrown on other fans at LES. I've never seen such abusive language and action as I've seen at RES. The hate is so much deeper and dramatic at RES.
Arogant and sanctimonious while they aren't nice traits they certainly don't equal vile, disgusting, and abusive! I wish the Ute fans were more Arrogant and sanctimonious rather than abusive, degrading, and vulgar.
Utah OrganizationNov. 30, 2009 8:55 a.m.
JIP, did you hear about the assault at the game on a wife of a utah coach? When should the Utah coach expect an apology from the BYU? Does the BYU program teach each player that the reponse to any inncident at RES is that the fans dumped beer on me? Ramper, here is a news flash for you. THEY DON'T SELL BEER AT THE STADIUM. Every self rightous BYU fan assumes that every liquid in the stadium is beer.
[email protected]Nov. 30, 2009 8:52 a.m.
This was more of a clarification than an apology. He didn't mean to call out every Ute fan, player, coach and administrator, but was reacting to a group of awful fans at RES. I thought his clarification was right on. I'd like to hear Yewts defend the behavior of the fans that attacked Hall's family. There's absoultely no excuse for the behavior of many many fans at RES. I'm not happy that this takes attention away from the win, but it's kind of refreshing for a player to say what he thinks. I can't really criticize him for his feelings based on his experience, even though I'd rather he turned the other cheek in this.
IkeNov. 30, 2009 8:50 a.m.
Nothing like deflecting one's feelings of loss and let down by focusing anger on someone else. Max said things that only the thin skinned pansies of this rivalry would get upset about and everyone jumps on it like it is the end of the world. He apologizes and some people let it go.
I personally, not living in Utah and having an understanding of rivalries outside of this one, find it utterly hilarious.
It comes down to. BYU wont. Utah lost. The better team has bragging rights for the rest of the year. So there are those that can't accept that and have to focus on other things.
I guess the losers on the field have to carry that same feeling with them and do their best to push it onto others. It doesn't change the fact that they are still the losers. For the next 12 months bragging rights go to BYU and any and all excuses only make the victory that much sweeter.
UofU Step upNov. 30, 2009 8:49 a.m.
I do also include the UofU administration, although Max let them off with the apology. They have responsibility of weeding out the classless actions of fans at the games, of getting rid of the drunkenness and abusive behavior that let to this kind of problem. They need to tighten security to find the problems and to make all fans safe. These are people who paid for tickets too that are disgusted with the actions of a few bad apples.
Cali CougNov. 30, 2009 8:47 a.m.
Why doesn't the u address this problem? It's not new, it happens every year at the RES and has happened for many years. If the u had any class they would attempt to address their fan base and ban those from the RES that cannot act appropriately. Nothing class about a drunk u fan. Kyle should apologize to the Hall Family for the treatment they received at the RES...that would be classy. Cowboy up Kyle!
What if it were you?Nov. 30, 2009 8:43 a.m.
Just curious if U fans were treated the same way as Halls family if they'd feel the same about what Hall said, or if they'd take the high road like they profess? I for one would have a hard time not having hatred towards people that verbally abuse, spit, and throw alcohol on my family. Spitting on someone is one of the worst things that can be done to humiliate another person. Please stop defending the poor element of fans in your stadium.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 8:42 a.m.
So this is the "HONOR" that Bronco Mendenhall speaks of? Apology not accepted! Great job representing your chuch, Max. I hope he is disciplined for his actions. In the very least, he has given everyone more reasons to cheer against BYU.
What would Jesus do?!?!Nov. 30, 2009 8:42 a.m.
What would Jesus do here??
What would He teach us all? How would He like us to behave, react, forgive and grow up??
Stupid is alive a wellNov. 30, 2009 8:41 a.m.
Stupid is alive a well in Utah! Dumb fans on both sides who ruin it for everyone. To much Hate in this world to have more over a football game Is STUUUPID. All the miss deeds done to your family you handled perfectly Max. You hold it inside and let it motivate you and you go out and win 26-23. But then you open that mouth!!
Only makes the bad Ute fans worse
ONly makes the bad Coug fans worse
I liked it better when Coach Edwards and Mcbride helped to lighten the rivalry up with their good natured antics.
Good luck to Cougars and Utes in their bowl games I hope the Mountain west runs the table.
Hard for me to criticize MaxNov. 30, 2009 8:39 a.m.
It is hard for me to criticize Max. If my family had been treated that way, I would pop a corpusle also. So, I'll cut him some slack. The reality is the U has a terrific football program and really good coaching. Most of the fans are fine, but, I have some personal experiene with a bit of what Max's family experienced...a decent fraction of their fans do go WAY over the line, and that takes away from the fun of the rivalry. in recent years I've come to appreciate the U more and what they accomplish. And I know more of their fans and they are fine people, of course they don't need me to say that. But, some of them, well they need some professional help, IMHO.
Max is lameNov. 30, 2009 8:38 a.m.
This is an apology? Give me a break. Once again, he directs all the attention to himself and family. This is a detailed description of the "alleged" incident last year, not an apology. I am happy to have classy people like Brian Johnson and Alex Smith represent our university. What a shameful way to try to bring this thing to a close and to think this passed the university's PR department without revision is shocking.
DRLLNov. 30, 2009 8:35 a.m.
The most pathetic apology I have ever read from frankly the most pathetic player ever to play at BYU since Lenny Gomes. I think the apology makes it worse. First of all, you may want to have someone from the PR department check the spelling and grammar. Second, an apology does not include a very one-sided and hyperbolzied account of the supposed atrocities that led to the apologized-for behavior. That simply amounts to a justification, not an apology (and since Utah fans are equally ill-treated when they visit LES I don't think it even comes close to amounting to a justification). Third, the apology doesn't even come close to covering the breadth of the original statement, i.e. the entire University is classless, etc. Fourth, the whole "let's dial it down from now on after I have had the last word" sounds like a five year old. Getting the last blow in and then calling for a truce is the true sign of a pathetic wimp. If BYU has any "honor" at all, it should suspend Max for the game.
Cougar fan from IdahoNov. 30, 2009 8:35 a.m.
We have witnessed Bronco Mendenhall transform the entire Cougarnation into believing in his vision of tradition and honor, perhaps it's time for Kyle Whittingham to step up and help his following to understand what sportsmanship and respect are all about.
AmusedNov. 30, 2009 8:34 a.m.
What a loser.
Apology acceptedNov. 30, 2009 8:33 a.m.
Anonymous 8:51, Scoon, Max hate, Azresident, another wasted opportunity, j, assaulted, through media relations, etc.
You are classless fans
Most of us knew what Max originally meant even if it was overgeneralized and not scripted. If someone did that to my family I would not have waited nearly as long as Max to express my contempt. There are weird fans on both sides but the U needs to get a grip on the hate based element of a segment of its fan base - they stink up the whole school. (I went to the U but I don't root for them precisely because of their fans)
Hopefully something good will come out of this
ThanksNov. 30, 2009 8:31 a.m.
Thank you for your apology. It takes a big man to stand up and admit that he was wrong.
I, however, agree with the comments you made after the game. They needed to be said. I am sorry that folks chose to be offended by words which have been spoken by you time and time again about the Cougars in Provo... with no apology.
I do hate the U, I hate their fans... except a few, I will never go there to school and I would appreciate if you would not come to BYU.
Thank you Max for your initial comments and your clarifying apology. Both of them rocked!!!
OK bitter fans...Nov. 30, 2009 8:30 a.m.
Are you going to forgive and forget or harbor your own angry pitiful feelings of hate towards Max?
No U Apology?Nov. 30, 2009 8:28 a.m.
Where is the apology from the Univercity of Utah for the way their fans acted? I would be more embarassed by fans acting that way than a player saying he hated the other team. Max was right to apologize for saying he hated the whole organization but at least he apologized. Why no apology from the U? Sometimes it takes both sides to say you are sorry. Lets see if the U has any class and can step up and say sorry as well.
DisgustedNov. 30, 2009 8:25 a.m.
To all the self-righteous BYU fans (not all BYU fans, just the self-righteous): Why no mention of the BYU fan who smacked Mrs Whittingham in the face, giving her a fat lip, and telling her to shut-up? This hatred works both ways but let's be honest and admit that it only involves a small minority of the fans. For the most part, what I saw on Saturday was a lot of good fans treating each other with respect while enjoying the rivalry. Sadly, Hall placed himself in the minority.
Stay classy ProvoNov. 30, 2009 8:24 a.m.
1)Max calls the entire Utah world unclassy. Meanwhile a BYU fan is attempting to take pictures of Whits young kids crying after the game and in a tussle elbows Whit's wife. Stay classy Provo.
2)Max kills the entire Utah organization, while leaving his teammates who aren't graduating to deal with the consequences next year. Sorry Riley/Jake, my bad, but it's not my problem anymore. Basically a drive-by egging on his way out of town, except everyone knows where he lives. Stay classy Provo.
3)Once again, a BYU player adds their words to the history of the rivalry. Gomes, Kiel, Brown, now Hall. Funny that all of the famous mouths from the Utah/BYU rivalry are Cougars. Stay classy Provo.
4)Cougar fans defending and agreeing with Hall. Lets say Whit says the exact same things about BYU after next years win based on what happened to his wife. You defending Whit too? Didn't think so. Stay classy Provo.
CTMacNov. 30, 2009 8:23 a.m.
Wow, we have a bunch of over-sensitive fans on both sides. This isn't even news-worthy. Get over it.
Robert JohnsonNov. 30, 2009 8:22 a.m.
Talk about a lame apology from a classless and lame person. This "apology" is akin to saying "If YOU think I said something wrong than I'm sorry".
A sincere apology would have sounded more like, "I regret what I said and I was wrong for saying it".
BYU is lucky that they won't have this "class-act" on their team next year. Good luck in the real world Max.
HonestlyNov. 30, 2009 8:20 a.m.
I beleive that most everyone would have said the same thing, if not more in this situation. I think this is being blown out of proportion. The fact is that BYU beat Utah. No matter how much you make out of these comments, this will never change. There will always be a W for BYU and an L for the U. Letts not blow this out of proportion people. For the record, this appology does exactly what it needs to do, clarify his comments. He should be angry and should be able to express his frustration freely. I support you Max, don't let this get in the way of the bowl game. You spoke out in defense of your family, you did what you could. It may not have been the most pleasant way to do it, but you did what you had to do. Anyone who thinks these comments were out of line is judgemental and looking for anything to find comfort after a tough loss. I hope we can all get over this. Maybe those people who refuse to let this go are truely classless.
No apology neededNov. 30, 2009 8:15 a.m.
I have to agree with his original statement - and the fact that the University and the football program need to take some responsibility for the actions of their fans. They seem to have the same problem in Georgia, so their football team issued a letter before the game stating that they would do their best on the field and asked the fans not to descend into that kind of behavior. When has Utah EVER done anything or said anything about the drunken vile fans that come keep coming to the game - Hopefully these fans are a small minority, but spitting on and physically and verbally abusing women is just not acceptable, yet the school seems to accept it just fine.
36-3Nov. 30, 2009 8:14 a.m.
Remind me of the date and time that the University of Utah apologized to Max Hall for the treatment of Hall's family on university-owned property.
Tied to both BYU and UNov. 30, 2009 8:12 a.m.
The Univ. of Utah should have issued an apology last year to Max Hall and his family. Despicable actions on their part. While I feel Max was wrong to paint a broad sweep and call the entire university "classless," he was not wrong to defend his family against the perps. Too many times in our society today, the victims are vilified, and the perps come out smelling like a rose.
Hey EveryoneNov. 30, 2009 8:12 a.m.
Those who are complaining about what Max said and think he should be suspended or 'expelled', its a rivalry. It happens in every sport people make comments towards the opposing team and thats just how it is. Max shouldn't be any different, he shouldn't be attacked for his comments anymore than any other player, its just what happens in sports. It's not as big of deal as everyone is making it out to be. He clarified, justified, and apologized for what he said, he probably shouldn't have said it but he did.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 8:11 a.m.
A nice apology that clarifies that not all Utes are classless and deserve to lose. But Amy Donaldson's article articulates well why revenge and hatred - even toward a few - are undesirable since neither motivating factor can ever be satisfied.
RecordedNov. 30, 2009 8:03 a.m.
So let it be said; so let it be written. He ranted and spewed all he had bottled up for a YEAR, so much so he wasn't in the celebrating mood like everyone else and then later...through the University he apologizes??? Two words for all of the hypocrites down south...JIM McMAHON! He never comes up in all your greatest talk because HE SPOKE what was on his mind. HONOR, SPIRIT, TRADITION look inside yourselves and if you can't see the blatant hypocrisy in all your actions you'll eventually cause more damage to the University than Max Hall. WINNING is everything at the Y and players actions; especially KEY players get an official sweep under the rug? What if a benchwarmer had said this BRONCO? Would you have released him and then made an example of OUR HONOR, SPIRIT, and TRADITION to the fans and the team?? DISHONOR, COWARDLY SPIRIT, HYPOCRATIC TRADITION!!
Utefan2Nov. 30, 2009 7:56 a.m.
Max doesn't need to apologize, He's a senior, he had a lot of time to think about this since last year. He's only saying what many BYU fans think anyway. The real question is, was he required to make this "so called" apology? If so, that is very sad.
yoNov. 30, 2009 7:56 a.m.
as a ticket holder to the BYU vs. Utah game, I refuse to go to that game no matter where it is played. Both sides of fans need to grow up and acknowledge each other and respect each other.
Oregon BlueNov. 30, 2009 7:54 a.m.
We miss the point. We discuss Max and his comments. We should be pushing our respective school administrators to reduce the probability that these types of things can occur at our games. This behavour is unacceptable. Let's resolve this attitude of hate both on and off of the field and get back to what sports are supposed to be.
No fans allowed!Nov. 30, 2009 7:54 a.m.
Since fans at both stadiums can't behave, how about letting the players play the games for the next two years, without and fans in attendance. Only families of the players should be able to watch in person. Or, simply cancel the BYU/Utah game till and appropriate date in the future. That would be an interesting experiment to show both schools that the game is about the players, not the FANS.
It's happened in Italy at a professional soccer match, why not at a college sporting event. If fans cannot with out getting physical, verbal, or otherwise deranged, don't let any of them into either stadium. They don't deserve to be there.
Stop stirring up trouble!Nov. 30, 2009 7:53 a.m.
Re-posting Hall's comments just serves to further stir up fury instead of allowing for healing.
Please don't cause contention just for publication!
Texas BYU fanNov. 30, 2009 7:51 a.m.
Utah fans- You need to thank Max for giving you something to focus on after the game. Otherwise, you would be faced with just one topic: Your team losing to their "hated" rival. Sweet!
Max HallNov. 30, 2009 7:46 a.m.
Is a tool. Enough Said.
well...Nov. 30, 2009 7:42 a.m.
i find it just a little bit funny that he brings up what happened last year now... i used to think i would remember max hall as the quarterback with the most wins at BYU, now when i here the words max hall i laugh and think "oh he was that guy with no class, and he threw 5 interception and had a fumble in the 2008 game! Im super glad he is not representing my school"
DHNov. 30, 2009 7:42 a.m.
I don't blame Max at all. This rivalry needs to change and become a game again instead of an excuse to throw personal attacks at one another. The unsportsmanlike displays of both teams was very diappointing and many of the fans on both sides are nothing but childish and cruel. People need to grow up.
Apology Accepted!Nov. 30, 2009 7:41 a.m.
Max, thanks for the clarification. Whether or not this story is true or this apology is sincere doesn't really matter. What matters is each individual's own behavior. Here are some suggestions.
1. Don't spit on people.
2. Don't throw drinks or food on them.
3. Don't hit other people.
4. Don't yell obscenities or berate personal traits/characteristics of the opposing fan base
5. Don't judge an entire group based on a few people you met, or worse, a few people you have heard about.
And in case you're about to go on a long road trip, these same rules apply to the kids in the backseat.
Go Utes!
CA UteNov. 30, 2009 7:40 a.m.
As a reformed BYU fan and current Ute fan, I think Max knew exactly what he was saying. No one knows what classless is better than a BYU fan. It is the BYU fans' behavior in the past that has led me to support THE University of Utah. Nachos and soda dumped on Texas A&M players in 1996, fans jumping out of the stands to tackle a cheerleader in 1998, and countless references to being favored "from on high."
Max's apology and clarification left out the true apology, which is all to common in public statements. How sad for Max, BYU football, and the University.
LDS Ute GraduateNov. 30, 2009 7:39 a.m.
This was clearly written by the BYU athletic department, whom he gave a big black eye to on Saturday with his defamed rant. I'll accept an apology, but it has to actually come from Hall. Call a press conference, look into the camera, and actually man-up to the situation you caused. Not "released through the media department."
Classless FanNov. 30, 2009 7:37 a.m.
Max shouldn't be mad. After last year's win and the ensuing trip to the BCS, Max was unofficially inducted to the Utah Ute Hall of Fame.
As a Classless Fan, I say Thank You Max! You may have beaten us, but without you, we would have never made it to our 2nd BCS game and never enjoyed 3 straight years of BYU losing just enough to play in the Vegas Bowl.
Best wishes in your loss to Cal in the Poinsettia Bowl!
U of U AlumNov. 30, 2009 7:36 a.m.
Some of the so called "fans" at the U are the lone embarrassing thing about my Alma Mater. I have attended many games at Lavell Edwards Stadium and have never had to cringe and try to explain vulgar actions and chants to my children in attendance with me. While it may be true that both sides have over the top "fans," Rice Eccles seems to be a sanctuary for the the really crude crazies. If the administration would put as much effort into policing this garbage as they do in making their annual requests for my financial support, maybe the atmosphere at RES would be hospitable, as it should be.
Ute FanNov. 30, 2009 7:31 a.m.
Good grief! Some of my fellow Ute fans need to grow up.
If ANY of you had been in his situation last year with what happened to his family, you would have reacted the same way.
In fact, if your message board comments as "impartial" observers are any indication of your true character, you probably would have reacted much worse.
Can we just acknowledge as Ute fans that there is a problem at RES?
The man gave an apology that clearly wasn't crafted by the BYU atlhletic department ( see grammar errors), so let's just let it go people!
scodyshootfight (KC)Nov. 30, 2009 7:29 a.m.
I was disappointed with Max, and I said so in my past post, but I'm very pleased with the apology. It's understandable, and it was a human mistake. We all make human mistakes. He probably shouldn't get off the hook for making a statement and he will likely have to do some other things to SHOW that he is sorry. Overall, though, nice job on the statement.
AngstNov. 30, 2009 7:20 a.m.
You folks at BYU just don't get it. The victory wasn't all that terrific; it wasn't decisive, just really lucky. Max Hall was frustrated because he played so poorly. If he had anything to say, he should have said it a year ago. This slim victory didn't authorize him to go back a year and complain. He is the one who has no class. He is the one who has no sense of decorum. I am a U fan, and I have been treated as poorly by the high and mighty (albeit hypocritical) BYU bunch. Max, you are a disgrace to your team, your coaches, and your family. I know your coaches are too soft to do anything about your behavior, so maybe you should try to discipline yourself.
Double StandardNov. 30, 2009 7:16 a.m.
What a double standard! The media loves this stuff. They jump on Austin Collie for bringing righteousness into it. They jump on Hall for brining hate into it. I remember when Steve Tate said basically the same thing and nobody thought twice about it.
Old Coug fanNov. 30, 2009 7:15 a.m.
Are Max and Elizabeth Lambert related?
PeopleNov. 30, 2009 7:15 a.m.
Move on, grow up!
Cougar FanNov. 30, 2009 7:11 a.m.
Nearly every cougar fan I know is glad Max is finished. He can't play in the big games and now has shown his lack of class.
Re: Nate KennedyNov. 30, 2009 7:10 a.m.
Nate, alcohol is not allowed at RES and has not been for quite some time . . . long before last year.
Perhaps the solution has more to do with fans and players like Max controlling his anger.
Perhaps you could explain how we can keep Coach Whittingham's wife from getting struck by presumably BYU fan's or players too. This is much more serious than getting beer thrown at you.
Apology?Nov. 30, 2009 7:03 a.m.
Doesn't sound like an apology to me. He meant what he said and stood by it.
Bill PCNov. 30, 2009 7:00 a.m.
I watched 2 games Saturday-one Florida/Florida State the other UT/BYU-2 quarterbacks were interviewed after equally heated games-all I can say is Tim Tebow-Class-Max Hal-Classless
i hopeNov. 30, 2009 6:55 a.m.
that people will like the players after all those personal fouls
JIPNov. 30, 2009 6:55 a.m.
Max speaks for many fans including me. While there are many decent and fine Ute fans there are too many who bring disgrace upon the U. I've stopped attending games at the U for the reasons Max stated. Vile and abusive are words that come to mind. How about an apology from the U for the abusive treatment that Max's family (and others) received while on the U Campus? Seems to me that apologies are two-way streets.
maturityNov. 30, 2009 6:50 a.m.
Now comes the real maturity of Ute fans, to see they will accept the apology. Based on the classless nature of most of them I have my doubts.
Teguc83Nov. 30, 2009 6:46 a.m.
I am so tired of hearing how Max Hall embarrassed (fill in the blank). Max Hall embarrassed no one except himself. He is a representative of certain things i.e. the school, the church, his family, the team, but HE is not those things, he is just a part of those things. He only can represent himself. He spoke for his feelings and how they have been festering for over a year. Also, I read how such and such a thing could not have happened, such as beer in the stadium poured onto his family. Regardless of what happened, it was Max's feelings of what happened and what the results were that caused him to speak as he did. I don't condone this, but there have been soooo many times I have spoken before thinking. I believe that those of us who judge Max to harsly and want to condem him for his tirade, should first look to ourselves and see if there is a lesson we can learn from this. I believe Max is sorry, I am glad we can voice our opinions, I hope we can be a bit kinder to all involved.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 6:40 a.m.
I hate the utes too!
Fan in MinnesotaNov. 30, 2009 6:34 a.m.
My Dad is a lifelong fan of the U of U., except when they play BYU. My family is equally divided between the two schools and is composed of graduates from each. It interesting to view this tempest from beyond the Wasatch. Football is a great game to play and to watch. Rivalries add to that interest. Its a game. No matter how many hours are devoted to watching, following, analyzing, projecting, and reminiscing about the game, it has no impact on the real world where we actually live our lives. "Hate" is a noddy word, too. Using it in describing one's feelings about an event or the personalities associated with it will, likewise, have no impact on the real world where we actually live our lives. Elevating the whole carnival to such levels sells newpapers and generates a following that may keep a failing business model alive. Acts of hatred are a different matter. Now, go back to work.
Less effectiveNov. 30, 2009 6:31 a.m.
It sounds like those I'm sotty if you were offended apologies. I was justified but.... Oh well, what do you expect from people now days, it's always someone else's fault.
I'm not sure why he would feel justified in hating the few fans he said he meant to be talking about? Even though it was clear he wasn't refering to a few people the other day.
SkippyNov. 30, 2009 6:16 a.m.
Max, even though you apologized we all have to live with the consequences of your words.....
Mark, a BYU fan...Nov. 30, 2009 6:06 a.m.
I think this term is now thrown around as loosely as a Max Hall pass. Hate the Ute's, hate Obama, all muslims, all Iraqu's, hate Pelosi, Hate Democrats, Hate people who aren't as patriotic as one holds themselves, high school rivals hating each other, the list goes on and on. Lets not even consider all the hate for other religions, ethic origins, or nationalities.
That is what concerns me most. The new cool and politically correct it to hate, because it means your tough and principled. Not sure how that works, but you don't have to read far to find evidence of such.
Max is just another example of how we have become so self absorbed that we think anyone who doesn't agree with us is worthy of hate. What happened to Max's family RES is deplorable. It is because of rival hate that these fans felt justified. Max just ratcheted it up yet another level. He did nothing to end the cycle, only amped it up yet another level.
His apology wasn't an apology at all - his words were clear. It is just an attempt at a justification.
Y Grad / Y DadNov. 30, 2009 6:01 a.m.
Most of us, at one time or another, have learned the truth of the old prayer, "Lord, make my words soft, sweet and tender, for tomorrow I will probably be eating them." Few of us have learned that lesson in such a public forum.
To decent Ute fans and decent BYU fans, please! This will continue as long as the majority tolerate bad behavior by the minority of our own.
"UPMOST"??? LOL!Nov. 30, 2009 5:59 a.m.
And Mr. Hall demonstrates what a great education he's getting!
He's on the way outNov. 30, 2009 5:59 a.m.
He won't be playing for BYU next year - we can all be grateful for that! Good riddance from a BYU fan that can't stand Hall! Good luck in the "real world" where lame so called apologies won't cut it Max! You're a legend in your own mind!
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 5:52 a.m.
Everyone needs to stop obsessing over this. I've heard worse sitting in LES, seen far worse, and seem to remember Morgan Scalley saying "I hate BYU" in a telesvised pregame speech prior to the '04 BYU-Utah game that ESPN covered. I didn't think reparations were required then, just like I don't think they're required now. To liken Max Hall's comments to treason or blasphemy is just silly.
Preventing future incidents?Nov. 30, 2009 5:46 a.m.
Too bad Max's tirade will only go on to inspire more bad behavior and future incidents. You don't put out a fire with gasoline. I am sure that "hategate" will do nothing but add to bad fan behavior.
WhateverNov. 30, 2009 5:05 a.m.
most people would react the same way if their family was treated that way...I know I would not feel to caring towards someone who disrespected my family. Yeah what he said should not have been said but he did and now we just move on.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 4:59 a.m.
As an active LDS member AND UofU graduate and fan, I appreciate and accept Max's apology.
Re: LDS Ute FansNov. 30, 2009 4:49 a.m.
Oh boy - this is really great. Year in and year out we have to listen to complaint after complaint after mockery of the "Honor Code". You complain that it's too restrictive - or worse, that it's "pharisaical".
But now - and rather suddenly - Ute fans (LDS or not) want to BYU to enforce the Honor Code.
I don't condone what Max said. It was wrong and will not change anyone's attitude. However, those who hate BYU can't have it both ways.
You cannot on one hand deride what BYU stands for, and on the other howl when its code is not enforced to suit your disdain.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 3:02 a.m.
For I really don't see what the problem is.
Understanding Hall isn't hard, you know.
Cornered by the media, after a tough game.
Kind of understandable what he said, really.
He just wasn't thinking.
Allowing the moment to overcome himself.
Leaders are just like that sometimes.
Like you've never said what you really think.
Pots and KettlesNov. 30, 2009 2:59 a.m.
It's interesting the reaction from some of the Utah fans; instead of being embarrassed by the vile, disgusting behavior of their own fans, their only reaction is further criticism of Max for being upset with the way his family was treated and for not sounding "sincere enough" in their arrogant opinion.
It wouldn't be a bit surprising if some of the complainers were the ones doing the spitting, beer pouring and vile insults Max was upset about.
DanNov. 30, 2009 2:56 a.m.
I'm sure his regret is genuine and his apology was totally spontaneous and not forced by BYU.
SamNov. 30, 2009 2:49 a.m.
Understand the heat behind the comments made Max - but very poorly put.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 2:47 a.m.
No classNov. 30, 2009 2:40 a.m.
If Hall was sincere with his apology it wouldn't have been laden with justification. The so called event with his family happened over a year ago. Hall is trying to save himself from deserved criticism, I don't see any sincerity in the apology at all. BOTH schools have a FEW fans that carry the rivalry to an unneccessary level. Spewing HATE and being unsportsmanlike towards their opponent. Then again isn't this what Hall did? Hall's comments sound like they could have come from those same fans (on both sides) that ruin the rivalry for all of us.
KnightNov. 30, 2009 2:37 a.m.
Max Hall is a immature baby - there was no apology, this was a carefully crafted statement by a PR department trying to ward off MWC and BYU repercussions. Read on as he comments on 'true' cougar fans who have never questioned the great Max - the win was for them (as if he really was that pivotal in the win). Good riddance to rubbish.
TaylorNov. 30, 2009 2:33 a.m.
I understand that feelings were hurt and is hard to forgive. Hall made a mistake in the heat of the moment. How many of us could say that we havn't done tbe same thing at some point in our lives. He has appologized. I Feel that it was sincere. Its to bad that this anger has been kept in side him for so long, but at the same time it is understandable. Now we are in the same position as he has been all year. Do we keep this going and make the same mistake as he, or do we forgive and forget. I for one have put it behind me. We are all human and we all make mistakes. Max stood up and appologized. I accept that. Those that can't.. well I'm sorry for them. I keep hearing that alot of these comments are coming from good LDS people. Maybe we should step back and ask ourselves, When did the Lord put us in charge of judging others. I think when all is said and done Max is a great person, and both Utah and BYU make this state proud
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 2:18 a.m.
An apologetic Ute | 10:18 p.m. Nov. 29, 2009
Max, I applaud and appreciate your apology. I was at the game last year, and witnessed a number of my fellow Utah fans use crude language and make religious remarks. Although not Mormon, I was insulted by those remarks and what the game had become.
Let me get this straight you witnessed bigotry and were so "insulted" but did absolutely NOTHING about it? I guess its easier being righteous online then it is in the real world.
iamsureNov. 30, 2009 2:18 a.m.
It's about time that someone tells it like it is. Utah and Wyoming, are two teams who's fans abuse players. Their programs should have taken steps years ago to correct the problem Max was absolutely right-on and maybe his remarks will go a long way to get these organizations to finally clean up their behavior. Sould be an interesting game next year.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 2:11 a.m.
re: Assaulted? | 10:04 p.m. Nov. 29, 2009
How can max file a lawsuit against those Ute fans that did this to his family? There in a stadium of thousands of people!
I teach my kids to fight back when you get bullied. It seems some of your parents forgot to teach you that lesson.
just calm downNov. 30, 2009 2:09 a.m.
Max said some stupid things but I have never seen him throw beer on anyone or give anybodys wife a bloody lip. I've only seen him win 31 games, 2 of them over Utah
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 2:09 a.m.
Re: Upmost? | 9:58 p.m. Nov. 29, 2009
I take it you didn't watch the interviews Stevenson Sylvester gave on the Mtn.
At least Max Hall can make coherent statements.
Unlike Hall, Sylvester would have popped the fans that threw beer on his family.
He defends his family by crying about it a year after the incidence.
If you disagree just see what happened to the BYU fan that assaulted one of our cheerleaders at LES.
BrandonNov. 30, 2009 2:04 a.m.
Why are Ute fans on this message board? Have you guys never said you were sorry before? Who cares if he meant it? He said it and he is done with it.. get over it! You guys are pathetic! Expelled for saying he hates the Utes? Good one.. Grow up! Sports are starting to become like this country is.. can't say anything without getting in trouble and having to say your sorry! Not gonna lie.. I HATE the Utes! I am a BYU you fan and always will be.. I dont care if Ute fans get mad! Stop caring what other people think and worry about yourself! You guys complaining about what Max Hall said have obviously never been in a game where you are in the heat of the moment.. or you wouldnt be saying in of this! Good work Max Hall! People say he chokes? Pretty sure he has only lost once in his career to Utah! Have fun in your Ponsetta or whatever bowl your going to.. see ya next year! Looks like last year was a fluke eh?
RE: Gotta love Ute fansNov. 30, 2009 2:02 a.m.
I teach my kids that a sincere APOLOGY does not begin with:
"I am sorry BUT..."
No need to apologies, he goes down as the winningest MWC QB to lead BYU to Vegas.
On the other hand BJ will always be remembered for dismantling BYU and leading Utah to Sugar.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 1:57 a.m.
Anonymous | 9:01 p.m. Nov. 29, 2009
So now we see what really happened. Good thing the truth came out. Basically Max Hall got caught up in the moment and directed the criticism at the wrong people.
The moment happened a YEAR ago when BYU got a beat down at Utah not last night.
His true colors showed yesterday off the field. End of discussion no need to make excuses.
If he wanted to deal with "beer" issue he should have brought it up after his family was "assaulted".
Perfect ApologyNov. 30, 2009 1:26 a.m.
Hall clarified by saying that the players and coaches weren't involved in classless acts towards his family, and apologized to them and fans who weren't involved. The perfect part of the apology is that he is not sorry for calling the fans who assaulted his family classless; because 1) THEY ARE classless and 2) he is not sorry for calling them on it. This was the perfect way to say, "Hey I said everybody and really I didn't mean everybody I got away from myself there. But I am not sorry to the garbage that treated my family beyond horrendously when they just wanted to watch me play, they are classless. To everyone else who didn't assault my family I am sorry."
Although I thought no apology was necessary, until classy Utah fans speak up and quiet their classless fans, they will wear that label. So, although no apology was necessary, this was a perfect apology.
AnonymousNov. 30, 2009 1:23 a.m.
Hall's comments were directed at a specific type of fan. Seems like most people here don't dispute that he and his family have been abused and treated wrongly by those types of fans. I'm also noticing people still offended at what he said. Well, the truth hurts doesn't it?
Carvel R HarwardNov. 30, 2009 1:13 a.m.
I graduated from the U of U. I am glad Max Hall said what he said. I have attended football games at the U of U stadium. That stadium was loaded with ugly mouth fans. However, I realize there are many very nice people who support U of U football.
Jon - A BYU fan.Nov. 30, 2009 1:03 a.m.
I just laugh at a lot of the comments because its obvious that people want a better apology, but you ain't going to get another one so just accept it and live on. Please if you say that Max shouldn't hold a grudge then we should all live it then.
I could tell it was hard for Max. He had to get the monkey off his back. I just wished he wrote it in a journal instead of saying it out loud. Then again that's my opinion.
I do agree that there should be some sort of sportsmanship movement done by both schools because there are some BYU fans that should of stayed home instead of coming to the games. Something like this was bound to happen and now is a good reason to really start to promote sportsmanship so that we can beat each other without taking it personally beyond the field of play.
So.....Nov. 30, 2009 12:59 a.m.
First off Max they dont sell beer at RES but as a Ute fan I know there are crazies there and at Lavell Edwards Stadium. I have watched BYU fans get physical and spit on Utah fans so it go's both ways guy. A comment that I read earlier said that you wouldnt last in the SEC and they are right. A, your not a good QB - B, the fans are nuts and the same thing would happen. It is sad that sports do bring out the worst in people but thats life so deal with it. Your apology was weak at best and you just put a very negative light on BYU sports, Fans, and sadly the Church. When i hear these holier than thou comments it reminds me why i stopped going to church. GOOD WORK, MAXI BOY.
KT 213Nov. 30, 2009 12:55 a.m.
Does anyone remember the ute fans jumping on Derek Stevenson dad at an game?
How many ute football players family members have been attack by BYU fans?
AK CougarNov. 30, 2009 12:40 a.m.
Max, no apology was necessary, but the apology was polically correct.
If I were critized like you have been for the past 3 years, I likely would have said the same things.
Time will tell if the critics can let it go or not. Nice to read posts from some Ute fans and BYU fans that already has put this incident past them.
Go Cougars.
Who Cares & Get a life!!Nov. 30, 2009 12:36 a.m.
90% of the BYU & Utah fans have class, and Hall knows it. If you don't recall, he also bashed those BYU "fans" who have bad mouthed him all year. You know who you are and you are now defending his anti-Utah statements. I can see that many of the other 10% spend their time posting hear. If you are part of the 10%, you really need to get a life, and probably a job.
Re: 84663Nov. 30, 2009 12:29 a.m.
I totally agree with you. I have always spoken to the Cougar fans that sit in my section to make them feel comfortable. In the 30 years that I've been attending games at the U of U I have never seen anyone attacked.
It's OverNov. 30, 2009 12:24 a.m.
If I were looking for truth, the meaning of life, an understanding of the great mysteries, I would never go to an athlete.
How many saints do you find in a game of church ball. how many professional athletes do you see carrying guns, drugs, fighting dogs, sleeping around, etc.
Finest man in professional sports, Tiger Woods fell prey to all the false praise and idolatry.
Now, go out, live you life, do a random act of kindness for someone, and don't worry about Max Hall, or the BYU/Utah athletic programs.
84663Nov. 29, 2009 11:46 p.m.
The truth is a lot of fans get out of line. (ON BOTH SIDES!) The solution has to come from within. If you see a fellow fan crossing the line, then the most effective way to stop it is for someone from the same school to ask them to stop. If we are going to reduce this conference to barbaric savagery then everyone join in the fight, or if we are going to show some pure sportsmanship then we will have to monitor ourselves and those with the same color on.
TomboNov. 29, 2009 11:46 p.m.
Ever since the hiring of Bronco Mendenhall, I have been impressed with his leadership, class, and composure in the face of tough losses and exciting victories. Any lack of condemnation concerning the poor sportsmanship of Max Hall must be regarded as approval.
bigutefanNov. 29, 2009 11:44 p.m.
Hall deserves to be banned from post season play. If he gets off free of this, then it is only get to continue to happen. He is arrogant and pompous. What a stupid stupid thing to do. Did the PAC-10 just say to Garrett at Oregon, oh it was your first offense so its okay to hit players. No they took action, and this should be consider as well. Congrats to the Y on the win, but how embarassing for your program.
Re: Program FailingNov. 29, 2009 11:40 p.m.
I think the person who posted that BYU was failing wasn't referring to wins and losses, but the higher purposes of sports.
While the U can measure it's success by wins and losses, BYU is a church sponsored school and the football team must measure itself by a different standard.
Either way, BYU can do better and Mr. Hall should be held accountable.
Hate both waysNov. 29, 2009 11:32 p.m.
Utes hate BYUers that are arrogant and sanctimonious. BYU hate Utes that are crass, loud-mouthed, and vulgar. Both are equally bad. Can we just have a fun, agressive rivalry? I used to live near South Bend and the Notre Dame/Michigan rivalry has many of the same element but without this extreme nastiness. Let's grow up, people.
Question MarksNov. 29, 2009 11:31 p.m.
Why is this story about his family being assaulted suddenly coming out a year later? Why do BYU fans continue to talk about beer being poured on them when RES does not sell beer, and does not allow outside food or drink in the stadium? (Mandated by the NCAA)
Is Hall really suggesting that someone smuggled in beer, then somehow hunted down his family to pour beer on them?
If this really happened, then that is terrible behavior, but honestly it does sound like a pretty embellished story. There are lots of question marks in his story, and it sounds more like a tool to justify his hate.
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 11:19 p.m.
I think BYU and Utah should take a two-year hiatus from playing each other in all sports.
TJNov. 29, 2009 11:15 p.m.
Please can we all just get along? Can we take this Thanksgiving holiday and just forgive each other? I know the person we are celebrating in a few weeks would forgive. Let's all just show some class and some forgiveness.
CindyNov. 29, 2009 11:14 p.m.
Love my Cougars. Max, you disappointed me on this post-game remark, but knowing you'll regret it all your life, I forgive you.
But way to go in the game! What a great win over the Utes! We needed this one.
A forced apologyNov. 29, 2009 11:14 p.m.
He was forced to apologize. You knew it was coming as soon as he said it.
VernonCougarNov. 29, 2009 11:04 p.m.
If that happened to my family, i would be upset as well, and i can see where Hall is coming from. Such comments were unnecessary and were, like he said, in the heat of the moment. However, stepping up and apologizing was very honorable of Hall, and helped clarify why he said what he said. I love the rivalry between the two teams, but i think it's going too far. When Lavell Edwards was coaching, it was a friendly rivalry, with the coaches on both sides doing commercials together, making the game much more fun and friendly. However, now it's turning into a grudge match. Both sides need to learn better sportsmanship, both sides need to learn to get along, and both sides need to work on turning the rivalry back into a friendly, but heated game. BYU and Utah need to get their act together,forgive and forget and, get ready for next year.
ForgivenessNov. 29, 2009 10:57 p.m.
The church teaches that we all need to forgive.
So I forgive Max Hall for the comments he made against mostly good people. I don't have a problem with him having a problem with any person who would do the things that where done to his family.
I do worry his sake that he has not learned from the church yet that he should forgive. If he had forgiven those people from last year he would have never felt the way he did still to say what he did this year. Hopefully someone close to him has a talk with him about it.
Even though I forgive him for what he said and don't believe he meant it as bad as it sounded. I still think the coaching staff and the school need to hand out some kind of punishment. Even if we never hear about it, I'm pretty sure that is what they will do.
Even with forgiveness come punishment for bad behavior.
Good luck in the future Max.
Go BYU, Go Utah, Go TCU, Go MWC, and most important go all the hard working players on all the teams.
JackNov. 29, 2009 10:55 p.m.
He was forced to apologize. I would rather cheer for Utah and lose than to cheer for BYU than have Max Hall represent my team. GO UTES!
Dick of the NWNov. 29, 2009 10:54 p.m.
Having lived in Provo and graduated from the U, it is truly sad this Y-U game is not about football but about religion, for a major minority. Just note the anti-LDS stuff that is posted in the trib on any subject. It doesn't matter the subject, the anti-LDS stuff comes out. Wouldn't it be great if after the game, the fans for both sides, could just shake hands and leave their school feelings in the stadium and go home friends. During the McBride and Edward year's, this "hate" seems to have ebbed because the coaches were friends. It is one thing wanting to win every game with your rival but Hate? Just maybe there is something we all can learn from this. After all, correcting this starts with each of us. The best to both schools in their bowl games.
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 10:48 p.m.
Utes are the true class act. They always have been. Their fans are cordial. Their players, friendly. They don't hold any ill will toward other teams. They always help others up after knocking them down. They know that it's just a game. They smile a lot because they are a class act. They would never swear or use the hate word in a press conference. They are just a straight laced class act.
Re: ImpressedNov. 29, 2009 10:46 p.m.
Well said!!!!!! You are 100% correct..
What's next??Nov. 29, 2009 10:45 p.m.
How many times did Max use the word "hate" in his remarks to the press last night? To suggest now that his rant was directed at specific fans is utter non-sense. His sentiments clearly directed at the University, the football program, and coaches. He meant every word of it and worse, he has the support of many if not most of BYU-dom.
From the BYU football web site:
Likewise, the mission of the BYU football program is, "To be the flag bearer of Brigham Young University through football excellence, embracing truth, tradition, virtue and honor as a beacon to the world."
Flag bearer of Brigham Young University? I see that virtuous and honorable character abounds at BYU.
Bronco does not have control of that program. Last year BYU players were going after fans who came onto the field following the game. From everything I could tell last night, the Utah players left the field with honor. Coach Whittingham and his team should be commended for keeping a hard fought game on the field.
JackNov. 29, 2009 10:43 p.m.
I am a BYU fan and the only one that showed a lack of class after the game was Max Hall. If he had a beef over last year, he should have made his complaint against the fans whose conduct was classless.
We all must remember that we host a game and that the team we play against and their fans are our guests. We will get to the point where no one is allowed to watch the game in person if we continue to treat guests in such a disgusting manner.
We need to get a life and get a grip on our emotions. These are games and not the end of the world.
Program failing???Nov. 29, 2009 10:39 p.m.
To the poster that thinks it's time to get rid of the BYU program because it's failing... then the utes should pack it up now. After all the progress you think you've made in last 5 years - BYU has a better overall record by two games and a better head-to-head with utah. Imagine your spouse and parents getting treated like that at a game...I don't blame him for sounding off. I know plenty of people that won't go to RES because of the pathetic fans. I'm sure many of your fans are proud of that, but trust me it is nothing to be proud of.
BYuTE fan in AZ.Nov. 29, 2009 10:36 p.m.
I did not enjoy what could have been a great game. Could have been and should have been. I was apalled by so many unsportsmanlike penalties on both sides. Even the broadcast team commented on it. Hostile behavior by both teams is a smudge on the Mt. West Conference, the State of Utah, the UTE's, BYU, the LDS Church, Kyle Whittingham, Bronco Mendenhall, Max Hall, the other athletes and we fans. Sad day.
Utah FansNov. 29, 2009 10:35 p.m.
I have been to several games at RES and I have had my share of run-ins with the "classless" Utah fans that everyone is talking about. But I have also met a lot of Utah fans who have been great to sit next to during the games.
Hall totally ruined the spirit of the rivalry and what he had done in his career. The game yesterday was pathetic with all of the personal fouls from both teams. I blame Wittingham and Mendenhall for allowing their players to do whatever they want on (and it appears off) of the field.
It's too badNov. 29, 2009 10:33 p.m.
While I understand why he said what he said, it's too bad that it gives the Ute fans an outlet for their frustration. Utah lost the game and many in their hatred for a myriad of reasons (religious bigotry, tired of BYU this, BYU that, ot whatever)have chosen to attempt to feel better by castigating a man who went too far in his comments, but certainly had a right to feel that way after how his family was treated. My sister in-law got her bachelors from the Y and her Masters from the U. She is a U fan and probably going to marry a U grad. She has been to both places and constantly tells me how much more vile and foul the atmosphere at the Ute games are than in Provo. True, there are bad apples on both sides...but from what I see, the barrel is much bigger up north.
True RivalriesNov. 29, 2009 10:32 p.m.
I went to a Dallas Cowboys/Washington Redskins game last week in Dallas, and knowing that they are one of the biggest rivalries in sports I was expecting a hostile environment (something like the BYU/Utah games I have attended.) But I was surprised when I saw fans from both teams talking civilly to each other, not fighting and enjoying the game. Wow, fans from both BYU and Utah have a lot to learn about what a true rivalry is all about.
Perfect MaxNov. 29, 2009 10:30 p.m.
The apology was perfect. He explained that his rants were really reflected at the classless Ute fans that assaulted his family.
This apology was as perfect as that pass he threw to Andrew George to beat the Utes in OT. The words were meant to sting the Ute fans that hate Max Hall enough to assault and verbally abuse his family. He didn't apologize to those folks... and he doesn't need to until he hears an apology from them (which is never coming.)
ApologyNov. 29, 2009 10:28 p.m.
or justification?
Re: used to be a Ute fanNov. 29, 2009 10:19 p.m.
I second everything you said!
I notice that even Aggie fans on this board have the same complaints about RES games!
An apologetic UteNov. 29, 2009 10:18 p.m.
Max, I applaud and appreciate your apology. I was at the game last year, and witnessed a number of my fellow Utah fans use crude language and make religious remarks. Although not Mormon, I was insulted by those remarks and what the game had become. Of course the loss hurt last night, but I found your comments today very insightful. I concur with the importance of Utah and BYU officials (led by the Coaches) counseling the fans of the importance of respect and dignity in the face of a great rivalry. My hat off to you for a terrific career and a classy exit.
The GipperNov. 29, 2009 10:16 p.m.
does anybody here really think that Max Hall is spending his weekend reading these posts? Or that he cares one way or another about what is said here? If you do, you're living in Lalaland....
love the commentsNov. 29, 2009 10:14 p.m.
I love the comments on this story. They're funny! GET A LIFE! I hear bad stuff told by both BYU and Utah fans. I don't care for either school. I feel the same way about Utah as Max Hall. I also feel the same way about BYU! I think it's funny. I love the people who bring up "LDS" stuff! I'll do the same... "you are self righteous" people! Get over it! It's just a football game. If you're making a big deal of this you have a sad life!
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 10:12 p.m.
I am a BYU alumnus of 1989. I have season tickets to both football and basketball at BYU. I also have many friends and family that go to the University of Utah and enjoy watching their program do well. My daughter attends BYU and my son attends the University of Utah. I must tell you I have never been so embarrassed by the comments of someone who believes that he is a leader. If Max Hall thinks he is a leader on our team he certainly does not represent the team I was cheering for, my school, my beliefs, or the honor code that I so strongly upheld during my days at BYU. He did more to harm missionary work as he so poorly represented the things that I hold so dear. I rarely feel so strongly about issues like this, but felt that I had to apologize to friends and family about Max's comments. He took what could have been a great victory after a challenging game with two very talented teams and made it just a win. I appreciate his attempt of an apporlogy, but the repair will take more than his statement. Too bad for BYU.
I was at last years gameNov. 29, 2009 10:09 p.m.
I was a Y fan at last years game and I could not believe how classless a vast majority the fans were to myself and my family. Sure there are crazies on both sides but i know for a fact and from experience that fans at lavell Edwards stadium that would never treat ute fans the way I was and how max's family was treated. Max's comments were out of line but they go to show that a huge number of fans at RES are classless.
MoJulesNov. 29, 2009 10:08 p.m.
Both sides are pathetic in this. It is so awful that people can lower themselves to treat other people like his family was. But sadly, I hold Hall to a higher standard. When people play in sports, and someone does a dirty hit and the other person hits back, the 2nd person usually gets the penalty. To hit back or make attacking comments back is far worse then the original abuse. Good for Hall in making an apology, bad for him that he was childish enough to say it in the first place. I believe he is going to have to do a lot more to redeem himself. And just for the record, I am no longer a fan of either team, have not been for nearly 20 years. Kind of grew out of it, but I always watch how they do, now that I no longer live in Utah.
The NITNov. 29, 2009 10:05 p.m.
Some of you BYU fans just don't get it. Hall's comments were inappropriate and hateful [his word not mine]. Justifying them is dumb. They were NOT spoken in the heat of battle. They were premeditated and long thought out. If he's going to apologize then do it and make it at least sound believable. The more he talks, the less I believe what really happened - or supposedly happened - last year in SLC. Provide a real apology, then be quiet and say goodbye.
Yup yup there ya goNov. 29, 2009 10:04 p.m.
Okay everyone. Grow up.
re: Assaulted?Nov. 29, 2009 10:04 p.m.
How can max file a lawsuit against those Ute fans that did this to his family? There in a stadium of thousands of people!
What does his family do, file a lawsuit against the person in the red shirt and red hat???
How would they even know who they are? "Excuse me, whats your first and last name so I can sue you".
Even the so called "security" are just students. Then what do the fans say, "yes, we did pour beer, spit on, and assault them"...
This has to be one of the most unintelligent comments I have heard.
RE: DUAL GRADNov. 29, 2009 9:59 p.m.
Why won't you restore some class to Ute fans and accept Hall's apology?
Your response is called hypocrisy.
Utes, unbelievable.Nov. 29, 2009 9:58 p.m.
It is so funny to read about the how the utes demand an apology and then when they get one; they rip it apart and say it isn't good enough. I think it is big of Max to step up and apologize, now it is the Utes turn to step up and apologize for assaulting his family. I don't care who you are rooting for, what Max Hall's family went through is a joke. Why don't you accept the apology fans and stop proving him right with your stupid comments about how he should be benched or reprimanded. Let it go! Why is it okay for BYU to be hated by you but not the other way around?
Re: Upmost?Nov. 29, 2009 9:58 p.m.
I take it you didn't watch the interviews Stevenson Sylvester gave on the Mtn.
At least Max Hall can make coherent statements.
Let's accept the apology....Nov. 29, 2009 9:58 p.m.
Come on, people. He is trying to apologize. Give the kid a break. He's like 20 something--how many of us have said stupid things we'd love to take back? He was obviously emotional and and heated at the moment and he regrets what he said.
He is saying he is sorry. Now we need to step up and accept the apology. Also, his comments were his personal opinion, not the team or university's, or the LDS church's. Please, let's give him the benefit of the doubt and accept the apology, move on and drop it.
Good luck to Utah and BYU and TCU in their bowl games this year!
RE: Dual GradNov. 29, 2009 9:57 p.m.
So you condone the assault on Hall's wife and mother? Why? In your world, why isn't that a reason to not cheer for the U?
Gotta love Ute fansNov. 29, 2009 9:56 p.m.
They excoriate Max for keeping a grudge for over a year, but then refuse to accept his apology.
Pot, kettle, black.
EmotionalNov. 29, 2009 9:56 p.m.
Everyone, (OK, maybe not everyone) wanted to see BYU come out and be more emotional in this contest. This is what happens when you are emotional. The reasons Max said what he did was because he was emotional. The reason the fans accosted Max's family last year is because they were emotional.
Live and learn.
rspNov. 29, 2009 9:55 p.m.
thanks for "clarifying your remarks"- I thought they were pretty clear before- no need to clarify - at least you didn't say they were "taken out of context"- you're still an embarrassment
TCMNov. 29, 2009 9:55 p.m.
Max is the essence of "classless" and his rant will be just the billboard material the Utes need for next year.
Marc ProbstNov. 29, 2009 9:54 p.m.
Nicely done Max. I have said plenty of things I wish I had never said in the heat of a moment. Your family (and no other family) deserves to be treated with anything other than respect. I am 100% a Ute fan and appreciate your words. I love the Utah-BYU rivalry - the fun poking and respectful verbal jabbing is great. Immature fans that throw things (including insults) should not be tolerated.
Anyway thanks and congratulations - that was a great pass! We lost, but I had a great time thanks to you and the other approx. 100 guys on the field (well, I think those refs were a bit suspect :))
Good luck in your future.
joe uNov. 29, 2009 9:52 p.m.
Nice apology. First you describe how brutally your wife, family, and religion were treated at last years game by all Utah fans and then apologize for what you said in response during the heat of the moment. All you did was justify your hate and attempt to sway others into feeling sorry for you and excusing your behavior because, after all, you are the victim.
Apology accepted!
Ute FansNov. 29, 2009 9:52 p.m.
There have been ongoing problems with "out of control" Ute fans for years. Everyone knows that it exists. Until the U of U administrations decides that they want to change things and clean it up, it will continue. You would think that the decent fans (there are many and they are the majority) would step up and demand something be done. Come on Utes, show your CLASS! Clean it up.
What's the Big Deal?Nov. 29, 2009 9:52 p.m.
So a college QB said something about a rival university. So what? What he said was his opinion and the way he felt. Why does anybody take it so personal. Why can't we simply say, "okay, that's the way he feels. That's his opinion." and move on. If I demanded an apology for everything that was said that was in disagreement to my point of view or that was against what I like, I'd be very busy (and bitter) in seeking out apologies.
Max is a good guy who has worked very hard and given very much to his team and university, as have the players from the U.
Let's just accept this, not be so thin skinned and move on.
ImpressedNov. 29, 2009 9:51 p.m.
Reading these blogs, I am as impressed by the Ute fans that have blogged here as much as I am with 97% of all the Ute fans that I have ever known. It's the 10% of Ute fans that keep statements like "they're not all bad" alive. While it is true, there are a few that I have met over the years who are not hateful and try to be objective they can't impose their objectivity on the other 90%. The U has a great Team and program but the fans need more control. I have never seen a Ute fan harassed or abused in Lavell Edwards Stadium, even when they are very vocal and sometimes abusive to the BYU fans in Provo. Very few BYU fans feel safe going to Rice Stadium. Max's comments were clearly related to the frustration that most BYU fans feel related to the hypocritical Ute fans.
Attn: Michael YoungNov. 29, 2009 9:49 p.m.
All Max really needed to do was to clarify that his comments were only directed to those fans who showed such vile behavior. By the way--to President Michael Young and the U of U Board of Trustees-this treatment of opposing teams fans is not limited to an isolated instance against BYU last year. This treatment has gone on for years and it is about time that the U of U administration has the intestinal fortitude to do something about it.
I still agree with Max's first comments as clarified. I wish the best of luck to Max and the Cougars in their bowl game and hope he plays the best game of his life!
jessicaNov. 29, 2009 9:47 p.m.
Wow, are you byu fans really annoyed that he "appologized" for insulting an entire group of people? Most of which are the same religion as he is. What kind of church members are you byu fans, eh? He needed to appologize. What he said was wrong. Did you ever stop to think that those "ute fans" included many apostles and general authorities and families just trying to enjoy the game? Or how about "loving thy enemies," huh? I'm pretty sure the church that supports your school teaches that. :P
As for the appology... I accept it Max. I'm a Ute fan but I can be humble and understanding when I need to be. It was a heated game and the stupid MINORITY of fans who did that to your family were idiots. Anyone would be angry, and I get that. Just think before you talk next time.
And for all you byu fans justifying what he said in the first place... shame on you. You proved everyone who called you hypocrites right. I hope you guys feel SO proud of yourselves.
Well saidNov. 29, 2009 9:47 p.m.
Of course he doesn't mean it, but kudos for trying to make up for heated words spoken in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Used to be Ute fanNov. 29, 2009 9:45 p.m.
I got tired of all the "hate" of the Ute fans at RES several years ago and just stopped being a fan. Having lived in Oklahoma, Texas, Georgia and Florida for many years, I can tell you that you don't know what a real rivalry is. It isn't about throwing beer on visiting guests or abusing them with your uneducated vocabulary. It is no wonder why the MWC is looked down upon. What a bunch of First Graders.
Dual GradNov. 29, 2009 9:45 p.m.
I graduated from both the U and the Y. I choose to cheer for the U because of the attitude personified by Hall. I was just starting to cheer for the Y (when not playing the U) because Bronco seemed to be restoring some class.
I guess the question now is whether Bronco really means what he says about restoring the Y to its principles. Is it all lip service? Or will Bronco put his principles where his mouth is and appropriately sanction Hall by making him sit out at least the first quarter of the next game? If not, the rest of the Y players will learn that they can spew venom and embarrass the Y and the church without consequences.
morgan hNov. 29, 2009 9:41 p.m.
I bleed Cougar blue and I was happy with the win. However the comments by Max Hall were inappropriate and I am glad he apologized. I also think that the behavior exhibited by some Utah fans last year towards his family was inappropriate as well. I like the rivalry and I think that most fans are fairly well behaved, but when people resort to inappropriate behavior it cast a black eye on an otherwise fun rivalry game.
Utes=HYPOCRITESNov. 29, 2009 9:36 p.m.
utes - you lost. Get over it. Stop trying to make Max's rant(which I loved) the reason you lost the game. You would be laughing and loving every second if utah had won and a ute went off about how he hates byu. So stop crying that we are doing just that. I'm loving listening to you whine.
Dear Ute Fans:Nov. 29, 2009 9:36 p.m.
The ones who've posted here now sound like the sore losers. Max Hall had every reason to feel the way he did. You can't completely ignore what those fans put him through and his family last year. That is vile fan behavior by those fans at the U. Vile.
Max went overboard last night, and tonight within 24 hours he apologized and made it right.
Every single person who read that would've felt the same way he did. Think about it: your mom, your wife, and your family at the game are spat on, cursed at, and had beer poured on them. How do you feel about those fans? Be honest, take off the red glasses for a minute.
Well said apology. Ute fans need to show class and understand the situation he was put in. Don't forget, the game had just ended. Lots of emotion there....
Well said Max. And great win BYU!
Now, where's the apology from those Ute fans at RES last year? (They don't need to, right Utes?)
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 9:36 p.m.
I think Carrie Jenkins wrote a great apology for Max...
Are Utes Classless?Nov. 29, 2009 9:35 p.m.
If Utes want to prove they have class, let them accept the apology and move on.
if Utes want to prove truly prove they are "classless"--let them call into question the apology.
Choose it Utes.
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 9:35 p.m.
Can't we all just get along? U hate us, we hate you? Settle it on the field, keep it on the field.
Yes, there are idiots on both sides, there are in any rivalry.
What can we learn from this? Both universitys should put in place better reporting and response procedures. Every year fans from the visiting team claim to have been hit, spit on or whatever.
Please get with it, and help people feel safe!!!
RFNov. 29, 2009 9:34 p.m.
Ute Fans should forget if they are a "class act" how everyone describes "their school" for what happened last year. I love the sport and it should be a sport, not a reason for hate, or disrespect. Being a U grad, I won't go back "ever" as it isn't worth the feelings generated inside, when I hear the verbal attacks on the LDS Church, its leaders, members, schools. It's tasteless garbage talk and speaks that way of those who use it regardless of the school. I heard a disparaging comment about Max in the Y section too. Enough. Enjoy the sport, the atmosphere, the day, and live for something more important than a game. Stop the cursing, belittling, and Ute fans and Utah Administration, keep the beer, fans and frat boys with it, away from the games! It doesn't help the game, the school's image or the heated emotions. I understand and feel Max's anger, that's why I don't attend games at the U anymore, but "hate" has no place at either school. Thanks for an exciting, awesome game, from the athletes!!
NoNov. 29, 2009 9:29 p.m.
Why did he apploigize for telling the truth that utah and their fans are classless!!!
Cougars FanNov. 29, 2009 9:29 p.m.
I am glad Max came out and apologized for his comments, he took them too far last night and shouldn't of called out the entire university. I dont blame him for calling out those classless ute fans that attacked his family though. I would do the same thing if I were in his shoes. However, he made the mistake of including the entire university when his emotions were at a high. But his apology seems sincere and I know Max is a good guy, he just made a mistake which we all have done from time to time.
DGNov. 29, 2009 9:29 p.m.
I wish someone from the Y would come up with another accusation than "they dumped beer on me"....They stopped selling beer up at the stadium years ago. So to think that someone would just smuggle in a bunch of brew to dump on someone after the game is moronic. Y fans always complain about being stereotyped, well sounds like the pot calling the kettle black for me. And yes, I am a member of the predominant religion, I just call ignorance when I see it, and Max Hall threw out a boatload, and this "apology", or justification as i see it, seems to do more of the same.
SimonSaysNov. 29, 2009 9:29 p.m.
It's only a game people.
LeeNov. 29, 2009 9:28 p.m.
I already commented on an earlier article before I knew about the apology. I am glad to hear that this happened so quickly. Unfortunately, there are fans from both schools who do stupid things. We all need to remember that this is only a game.
Re: j | 9:07 p.m.Nov. 29, 2009 9:25 p.m.
Reprimand for what, speaking your mind? Get over the political correctness garbage. I am sure the honor code office is going to add the words hate and classless to their list of violations. What it comes down to, free speech is a beautiful gift from our fore fathers.
BYU FanNov. 29, 2009 9:25 p.m.
It would be nice if BYU (and Utah) could, for once, leave religion out of the game. Isnt it about football? We should be focused on breaking the BCS not whose better as a matter of religion! If you don't agree, whatever!!
Be RealNov. 29, 2009 9:25 p.m.
Not much of an "apology."
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 9:23 p.m.
Not just a reprimand is needed but a one game suspension. If that was a coach he would be out. Classy is a word that Maxie can't even define.
Move forwardNov. 29, 2009 9:23 p.m.
Please. Let's let these comments die and move forward with trying to address the issue at hand here, which is fan behavoir which crosses the line. We need to have constructive discussion at the administration level of both universities to determine what we can do to deter those who insist on engaging in such behavoir and giving a bad name to a great rivalry.
Missing the pointNov. 29, 2009 9:22 p.m.
With over 800 comments on the other story and bound to be more here, many are missing the point when they say things like:
"well, we won! Scoreboard dude!" or "Look who's not in the AP top 25--Utah!" or even "no matter how classless Max is, Utah fans are worse!"
Max's original comments from the press conference, and even in this, ahem, apology, reflect hate.
Hate is ugly. It is vile. It's worse than beer being thrown on you, and almost as bad as verbal assaults and taunts.
How about hating less. How about that?
One more exampleNov. 29, 2009 9:21 p.m.
We see again the waste of money and time on single troublesome focus.
Schools will serve us better with participation by everyone in sports, not this stupid emphasis on a few and extreeeeme rivalry by the masses.
Re: Assaulted?Nov. 29, 2009 9:21 p.m.
Have you ever been to a RES game. Really who is going to come to your aid, another ute fan?
RE: EdMNov. 29, 2009 9:21 p.m.
So what does that mean EdM? "but Utah fans won't forget....ever." You won't forget and will hold strong contempt towards Max Hall, or will you let it spill over into holding even stronger contempt for all things BYU because of what Max Hall himself said?
LameNov. 29, 2009 9:21 p.m.
Why doesn't he ever just say "I was wrong" in his "apology." That would make it better.
He claims today, "I made comments toward the entire university that were really directed specifically at those fans."
How dumb is that lame attempt at an apology?! Max originally said, "I don't like Utah. In fact, I hate them. I hate everything about them. I hate their program. I hate their fans. I hate everything."
It doesn't get much more clear than that.
Congrats to BYU on the win. Too bad you have a classless QB.
Re:Assaulted?Nov. 29, 2009 9:21 p.m.
Not everyone wants to take everything to court. Accept the fact that his family was mistreated. Accept his apology. Accept the fact that BYU won 26-23.
RE: Assaulted?Nov. 29, 2009 9:21 p.m.
You obviously have never dealt with assault victims.
Stop being so hypocritical.
JimNov. 29, 2009 9:20 p.m.
Hall's comments takes some of the luster off what was a great BYU performance. I can imagine the bulletin boards at the U now. (rightfully so)
What happened to his family is a shame, I doubt the University, the football program or the vast majority of fans had anything to do with it. Sadly his comments cast as much negativity on BYU as they did the U. Press release apologies just don't cut it - everyone knows BYU made him do it. It is a shame that Max Hall will not be at RES next year to stand and take responsibility for what he said.
Way to end your career Max. I guess there is the Vegas Bowl. (again) Great...
Just WonderingNov. 29, 2009 9:20 p.m.
Ute fans hated Max Hall long before he returned the favor Saturday night. My question is, why was he despised to the point of his family being assaulted in RES? Was it because he beat the Utes as a Sophomore? And now he replaces Lenny Gomes as the most hated Cougar because he called you classless? I mean, grow some thicker skin. Besides, apparently some of you are pretty classless if the reports of his family's abuse are correct. Why don't you all just carry his comments around in your pocket for the next 20 years and prove him right.
Upmost?Nov. 29, 2009 9:19 p.m.
Nice institution of higher learning.
Not. Please Max, go to class.
OKNov. 29, 2009 9:19 p.m.
I still agree with Max Hall's first comments. Too bad he apologized.
RE: SkepticalNov. 29, 2009 9:19 p.m.
Get real. They couldn't get to their car because Utes fans were assaulting them.
Hmmm. Grow up.
Re: AzresidentNov. 29, 2009 9:18 p.m.
Are you looking for a personal invitation from max. Let it go, shallow is you for harping on it. Blah, Blah, Blah...
Move on in life.
SC Trojan fanNov. 29, 2009 9:18 p.m.
Ya... this apology was expected. I dont see Hall being reprimanded. He is just a young man that got caught up in the emotion of it all. He just didnt have the maturity to think out what he was doing. That said, congrats on the win BYU. I thought it was a great finale.
Utes: forgive or keep hating?Nov. 29, 2009 9:17 p.m.
Max has issued his apology. It takes maturity to admit you were wrong. Max did that.
Now let's see if Ute fans can be mature and forgive and move on or if they will be immature and never let it go.
I stand in awe !!!!!!!!!!!!!Nov. 29, 2009 9:16 p.m.
That was an apology ??????? Not !!!!!!!!!!!!
All he did was try to justify what he did.
Two wrongs dont make a right !!!!!!! But that is how it works with you guys right??? Bend the rules when they work for ya !!
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 9:15 p.m.
Unfortunately for Max, THIS is how he will be remembered. His childish rant will supercede what was a great career and a great final win.
Every job and juncture along the way will be marred by this.
Howard S.Nov. 29, 2009 9:14 p.m.
Weak apology.
Just say what you said was wrong and you are sorry that you said it.
Max took the opportunity to explain how vile Utah fans are. Not a very good way to sooth the affect of your offensive comments.
Max is still talking.....
It's OkNov. 29, 2009 9:14 p.m.
It's Ok Max many BYU Fans have your back and understand your frustration with many classless utah fans. 26-23 is all that matters in the end and 3 out of 4. George is still running!!!
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 9:14 p.m.
The man apologized. Please let it die.
LDS Ute FanNov. 29, 2009 9:13 p.m.
Who is running the public relations department at BYU? How can any PR professional be involved with an apology that is no apology at all. This is simply Max Hall justifying his inappropriate comments.
He should be expelled from the University. He has no honor.
No ExcuseNov. 29, 2009 9:13 p.m.
His apology for his carefully chosen hate filled words came down to (1) it was their fault for something they did last year (2) and my words did not mean what I intended. There is no excuse for speaking of such hatred of another person while wearing a BYU uniform and representing the church. His apology should have made clear that hating other people is not what BYU is about.
Get the kid some help or get him out of a BYU uniform. Where is Coach Mendenhall?
Stunned By ApologyNov. 29, 2009 9:13 p.m.
"Clarify and apologize for a few of my remarks...."
Apologize for a few? What part of your remarks were okay--don't need to be included in your apology?
Read Amy Donaldson's column.
Reply to all 3Nov. 29, 2009 9:13 p.m.
That makes you just as bad as him.
I understand why he made the comments and I am glad he apologized.
As ifNov. 29, 2009 9:12 p.m.
As if it any of this so-called "sports" mattered.
It's just a game.
Life goes on for 99% of us whether this team or that wins or loses.
ResolutionNov. 29, 2009 9:12 p.m.
"Last year at RES my family was spit on, had beer dumped on them, and were physically assaulted on several occasions," Hall said in the statement. "They had to endure extremely vile comments personally attacking my wife, my mother, other family members, and our religion. They had to be escorted to their car by local police."
It shouldn't be too hard for a reporter to investigate this accusation and get collaboration from said family members, nearby fans and local police. The resulting investigation could result in descriptions of the guilty and their ban from RES or bring to light an exaggeration/lie about the event in question.
Through media relationsNov. 29, 2009 9:11 p.m.
It sounds very insincere and canned. Max needs to come out and say it so everyone can see his sincerity for themselves. This type of response only fuels the speculation that it isn't heartfelt.
Ute FanNov. 29, 2009 9:11 p.m.
Give Hall credit for issuing the apology. Whether the Y coaches, players and fans like it or not their actions are a reflection of BYU and the church in general.
Don't think for a second that beverage tossing doesn't go both ways. I have a family member who has been pelted by BYU fan's food, drink and spit.
WhyNov. 29, 2009 9:11 p.m.
Why should he apoligize? There fans threw beer in his familys face. He shouldnt of apoligized.
RE:AZresidentNov. 29, 2009 9:10 p.m.
Dude, feel free to cut the guy some slack. He'll live with his words for the rest of his life and will be bulletin board material for next years game. He made a mistake and a very public one at that. Geez, relax.
Assaulted?Nov. 29, 2009 9:10 p.m.
"...Last year at RES my family was spit on, had beer dumped on them, and were physically assaulted on several occasions..."
So Max, why didn't you at least press charges or file some sort of lawsuit against those you say assualted your family? If this occurred, as you say, several times, even those most incompetent attorney could have taken this to court. But we never heard about that? Why is that?
spudnutNov. 29, 2009 9:09 p.m.
Way to go, Max Hall! That's a nice clarification. I think anyone with even half a brain knew that what he really meant within his initial comments was essentially what he came out with in his clarification statement. He certainly would have been better off to not make some of those initial comments, but I can somewhat understand how something like that could come out in the heat of the moment--especially with his personal history.
MaddenNov. 29, 2009 9:09 p.m.
I am happy to see an actual apology (and clarification) rather than the typical canned non-apologies. He was wrong to spout off as he did for a number of reasons.
As happy as I am for an apology, I can tell you one other thing I am even happier about...26-23, BYU W!
provo ute fanNov. 29, 2009 9:08 p.m.
if i was him and had that kind of stuff happen to my family i would probably say the same things....all of you would. It is bad what he said and shouldn't have done it, but i would probably say the same thing and i forgive him.
me...Nov. 29, 2009 9:08 p.m.
It didn't take anything away from the victory for me - I still think this thing is nothing different than anything others have said in this rivalry. Get over it people.
jNov. 29, 2009 9:07 p.m.
I wish Bronco had the courage to reprimand Max Hall !!! Instead we get a properly worded apology from the BYU Sports Department. I'm certain Bronco will only coddle the quarterback as he's done for the past year. I'm happy Max will soon be gone, maybe it's time for Bronco to go a well.
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 9:06 p.m.
Fans of every sport of every team all over the world take sports WAAAAAY to serious. I splits families and causes people to act in ways they would normally not. It is crazy. Just watch cheer and let it go. I think this rivalry had gone way too far
Not NecessaryNov. 29, 2009 9:06 p.m.
Max, you are a class act.
No appology was necessary.
SkepticalNov. 29, 2009 9:06 p.m.
So Hall's family was assaulted in the stadium during the game and waited until after the game concludes to seek protection from security? I believe security was available during the game too. Why wait??? Hmmmm
Thanks?Nov. 29, 2009 9:05 p.m.
It's good to know that BYU asked you to grow up and apologize. I was disappointed in the BYU fans just as much as the Utah fans Saturday.
We fans take the game to the extreme, and it's lame! However, It's definately not onesided, and we'all need to grow up.
Thanks for bringing national attention to the hypocracy of many at BYU.
JoeNov. 29, 2009 9:04 p.m.
that was great max! i admire u in every way. but the u fans did horrible things to him. they deserved to win. but in the utes defense, they played a great game and they just barely let it slip away from them.
Great game by the way!
Nate KennedyNov. 29, 2009 9:04 p.m.
I applaud the apology and I am sure had he thought through exactly what he wanted to say and had the Pr people at BYU read his thoughts and edit them, this is how it would have come out yesterday. I would like to see one thing come from this. Alcohol has no business being in college football stadiums. Especially on Saturdays where heated rivalries such as this one are taking place. Adult beverages cause people to make mistakes in judgement. I would suggest the University of Utah look long and hard at the incident that happened at RES last year and take whatever measures are necessary to ensure nothing like that ever happens again. It is a black mark on the U that an incident such as this could take place in their stadium.
Hall is a StudNov. 29, 2009 9:04 p.m.
I knew there was more to the story. And now we know the rest. Just another typical Ute football fan incident. WHO can blame him!!!
Movin' OnNov. 29, 2009 9:04 p.m.
Good on you Max. Now, let's move on. Ultimately, what he said isn't a shocker and is basically what most Ute fans feel about BYU and vice versa. It's just that he had said them, when most people only think them. Whatever...
Another Wasted OpportunityNov. 29, 2009 9:03 p.m.
It took you 24 hours to come up with that weak apology. Max, you embarrassed BYU and the church. The best you can come up with to justify your hate filled diatribe was it came out wrong. Another wasted opportunity to serve as a good witness for BYU.
From the BYU football web site:
Likewise, the mission of the BYU football program is, "To be the flag bearer of Brigham Young University through football excellence, embracing truth, tradition, virtue and honor as a beacon to the world."
Maybe it is time to get rid of the program. It is failing.
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 9:03 p.m.
I am glad Max decided to apologize, and hope it was sincere. Those comments he made were stupid but I think his thought out apology and clarification is more likely what he actually thinks then the heat-of-the moment stupid comments he made.
Sports FanNov. 29, 2009 9:03 p.m.
I'm a HUGE sports fan, I've been to both stadiums and seen these two teams a few times, but don't have a preference on who wins or loses this game. So, it's my opinion that his comments were over the top.......but people should realize that he just won the biggest game of his life.--on top of that it was a rivalry game. --the two schools don't like each other AT ALL, so I understand where he's coming from.
AggieNov. 29, 2009 9:02 p.m.
Your comments about the entire program were as you agree, out of line. However, you couldn't be more on with the atmosphere at RES last year. There seemed to be a lot of bad apples that were ruining the game for the whole bunch. Our family will not be attending any future games at RES as a direct result of the classless fans that we too witnessed.
HallsyNov. 29, 2009 9:02 p.m.
I'm proud to share my name with you Max.
Ute Fan AcceptsNov. 29, 2009 9:01 p.m.
I accept your apology Max. We fans knew that you were directing your comments to the abusive fans at RES. There are wild and crazy fans there.
Thank you for your apology and clarification.
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 9:01 p.m.
So now we see what really happened. Good thing the truth came out. Basically Max Hall got caught up in the moment and directed the criticism at the wrong people. Utah fans should grow up. Come on, spitting on fans, dumping beer on them, physically assaulting them. That's a bit too far and I think even the high and mighty Utah fans would agree.
Y fanNov. 29, 2009 9:01 p.m.
It's nice that he issued the apology but would have still been nicer had he not said those terrible things in the first place. After all, that's what is taught at BYU, to take the higher road.
Go Cougs!
Utah FanNov. 29, 2009 9:01 p.m.
Max's apology, like so many of his passes, is incomplete.
CbizzleNov. 29, 2009 9:00 p.m.
I knew this was coming
AzresidentNov. 29, 2009 8:59 p.m.
"I'm sorry if my comments took anything away from my teammates and coaches..." Blah, blah, blah. He doesn't get it! IF my comments took anything away--OF COURSE they did! This was the time to THANK teammates, coaches and the BYU fans, to CELEBRATE with them, to APPRECIATE the opportunities he has had as a Cougar! IF??? He does not see beyond his own agenda. How shallow.
EdMNov. 29, 2009 8:58 p.m.
I saw this apology coming a mile away!!! He had no choice but to apologize. He has now replaced Lenny Gomes as the most....can't use the word "hated" but it is awfully close...player by Ute fans in this rivalry. I feel bad that he took the route he did in the first place. As a Ute fan I thought he played his best game ever against the Utes this week by doing one thing they never expected..and that was to run the ball on crucial 3rd down situations and keep the Coogs drives alive. He had a golden opportunity to just dig a little bit back at the Utes but he didn't. Here's hoping he grows from this experience....but Utah fans won't forget....ever.
Who twisted Hall's Arm?Nov. 29, 2009 8:57 p.m.
I sure hope Max's apology is sincere. Although it sounds more like an excuse. As a Ute fan I have no use for the crazies in Blue or Red. Neither should be tolerated. Now, how about a sincere move from the coaches at BYU - maybe a 1/2 game suspension?
Max HateNov. 29, 2009 8:56 p.m.
The headline should read, "Hall Justifies Hate."
scoonNov. 29, 2009 8:56 p.m.
The first steps to mending the rift is for Max Hall to apologize without any caveats. Your apology sounds flimsy with its many disclaimers. It doesn't matter what happened last year. You were wrong--admit it truthfully and be done with it.
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 8:55 p.m.
He should have just said...
MaxNov. 29, 2009 8:55 p.m.
Thank you, That was really big of you. I know you regret a lot of what you said. In the heat of the moment, right!
Aggie AlumNov. 29, 2009 8:55 p.m.
No need to apologize. I agree with everthing he said!
Max made it rightNov. 29, 2009 8:55 p.m.
Thanks Max, apology accepted. We understand that when the game became personal (and I'm glad that you had personal reasons to beat the Utes) that your comments were directed at a few classless Ute fans and not at the entire program. Even as a huge Cougar and Max Hall fan, I respect the Utah football program, especially Kyle Whittingham (a fiery individual himself), most of the fans, and the institution of higher learning.
Time to move on. Even though I'm sure that many Ute fans aren't going to let this go. This "HOLY WAR" is over. Time to look forward to the bowl games and pull for the horned frogs, utes, cougars, falcons, and cowboys.
Congrats to the Cougars, Max Hall, and the Utes.
AnonymousNov. 29, 2009 8:54 p.m.
Kind of a long time to hold a grudge Max. Let it go. The police came and took care of the situation. Next time call the police sooner and walk away from those people.
If Max wouldn't make such stupid self righteous remarks, then the amount of criticism wouldn't be soo intense.
How many Utah fans respect Lavell Edwards? I think a good percentage of them do. Because he is a classy guy and an excellent coach.
People dislike Hall because he is full of himself and like Collie makes statements that puts everyone else down.
I think the real problem is with Max himself. Yes, there are awful fans on both sides that shouldn't be allowed to go to the games, but, the one thing Max can control is himself, and that is where his focus should be.
GatorNationNov. 29, 2009 8:53 p.m.
He's lucky he doesn't play in the SEC cause it would be ten times worse.
Sincere?Nov. 29, 2009 8:52 p.m.
He may be, but no one will believe it.
DougNov. 29, 2009 8:52 p.m.
Well said, Max.
Some thoughtsNov. 29, 2009 8:52 p.m.
I think it is time both coaches talk to their teams and universities about sportsmanship on and off the field. The unsportmanslike conduct penalties are just as disappointing and more dangerous than words spoken. If it is true that only a small percentage of fans misbehave, the large percentage of good fans should not stand for crude behavior and police themselves and the stands. This rivalry has descended to all that is amiss in sports and our culture. We all should be a bit ashamed.
BrianNov. 29, 2009 8:52 p.m.
A classy and needed apology from a stand up player. Much respect.
JimNov. 29, 2009 8:51 p.m.
One at a time please!