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strangely enough, uk electronics super store dixons hired a psychologist last month to determine which of the three consoles are considered the most exciting. dr. david lewis did this by hooking gamers up with a bunch of electrodes to an electroencephalograph, which measures and records brain activity. he then had the wired gamers (sorry, couldn't resist) play a slew of games on all of the consoles. lewis then analyzed the data and decided that the xbox was the most exciting of the three systems. the whole thing is laid out in the press release, complete with bar graphs showing the raw data. interesting stuff, but i think it's way too open to interpretation to be valid.
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|xbox "retail proven" most disappointing (12:15pm est tue apr 30 2002)
who cares? it is the consumer that make the purchase. so far xbox's sales are disappointing. – by hate winxp crashing
|more like the games… (1:58pm est tue apr 30 2002)
…are the one's that are exciting, how can you get excited by looking at a huge box with a fan big enought to cool my house? i believe it was the games that could have been more "exciting" or the elevated levels in their brain could be from the fustration of the dinner-plate controller. – by beckermanex
|. . . . (3:01pm est tue apr 30 2002)
typical response from sony fan-boys. – by strict9
|my audience is made up of the smartest people in america… (4:00pm est tue apr 30 2002)
study after study has proven this!
-rush limbaugh
|dr. david lewis is a quack (4:26pm est tue apr 30 2002)
bullshit science for retards! sales figures say the ps2 is the most exciting and it's sales figures proves it is on top. – by just me
|xbox (4:31pm est tue apr 30 2002)
has one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel. – by nut case
|maybe (4:42pm est tue apr 30 2002)
the reason these gamers got excited was not playing the xbox but while they played the xbox, bill gates sent in a hot chick to give these dudes "hand jobs" while they played the xbox, therefore increasing their joy rating on the brainscans, so that it would appear that the xbox was more fun. billy g. up to his old tricks again. :-) – by swordfish
|grr (5:18pm est tue apr 30 2002)
you never passed english did you… it says playing xbox games are more exciting.. i doubt anyof you actually read the article (i didn't either) so ill just assume that it doesn't list which video games. also… "xbox sales figures" mean crap in this thread it says playing xbox games is more exciting…. does it say staring at xbox is exciting becker?…. god get a live, just cause its 1'x5x something else doesn't mean its crappy.. not my fault if you live in refrigerator boxes and your neighboorhood squirrel complain about the fan that it has – by surly_fly
|re: strict9 (5:19pm est tue apr 30 2002)
actually i'm a nintendo fan-boy, and very proud of it. – by beckermanex
|computer games… (5:27pm est tue apr 30 2002)
i'm interested to know what's going on in my body when i'm running frantically with the enemy flag in tribes 2 on my computer, while wearing headphones (i sure miss the force-feedback pair).
hmm…i just realized that all this adrenaline production has raised my metabolism. coupled with a few months of actual exercise too, that would explain my rapid weight loss. perhaps they should do a study on that too… :)
|… (8:26pm est tue apr 30 2002)
yes… this will boost xbox sales…
will developers flock to the xbox because dr. david lewis says it's more exciting for gamers? will gameplay improve because dr. david lewis says xbox is more exciting?
i see little value in this research. the only one winning something out of this is dr. david lewis, because he was paid to do the research.
i wonder who paid him… maybe the good dr. was bored or desperate to get noticed…or someone else was too desperate because of low sales… :) – by dtm
|hrmmm (1:45am est wed may 01 2002)
i wish bill gates would send some sexy chic's round to my place to give me a hand-job. f*@k the brain scan :) – by pjo2000
|i would like (4:17am est wed may 01 2002)
to know if any of you actually own an xbox & have any really good games for it. i really don't care about this article, but i want to state that i still haven't seen the ps2 really do anything more exciting than what the dc could do except display more colors. where's the emotion engine capabilities that we were supposed to experience? if you don't like the xbox, good for you (that's your opinion). that doesn't mean that it is a dead platform or that it totally sucks because dudes with little hands don't like the original american controllers. if you own an xbox & a ps2, then maybe your opinion will be validated (i wonder). it's hard to believe that anyone who owns both would ever say that the ps2 is better. the only thing better about the ps2 is that it is backward compatable with ps1 games, & that it has more games than gc & xbox put together (for now). ms is very dedicated to the success of the xbox & i commend them for that. any company that will do what they have done to try to get into such a competitive market & not give up by now is a company that deserves a chance to compete. as i have stated before in other postings, i own both of them & from what i see of the two, the xbox has so much more potential than the ps2. what we are seeing & hearing on the ps2 right now is about as good as it gets unless the ee can pull off some secret stuff that we gamers don't know about. i can't wait to see the graphics & sound enhancements of gta3 on the pc & xbox! maybe that's what excites gamers! – by william foster
|uuuummmm (4:55am est wed may 01 2002)
a note for sony freaks
see blood omen 2
see it on ps2
now look at it on x-box
|… (8:01am est wed may 01 2002)
the worse part about the majority of the postings here is that if this article was about the ps2 a number or you would be like "in your face xbox" and not the other way around. i feel bad the those of you who are unable to enjoy something as great as the xbox because you are so closed minded. you my friends truly have fallen victim to marketing. the fact of the matter is, the xbox does offer your you a totally better gaming experience. as for the games, given time it's game library will top notch. as well, allot of the games will be available on both platforms. i'd much sooner play on the system with the best sound, graphics and speed as possible. – by strict9
|i'll wait to see that (9:41am est wed may 01 2002)
not that i really care which system i play on (it's the gameplay that matters, not the graphics), the xbox just sucks ass to begin with. i've played a whole slew of games for it, and the only one i've liked is halo. in fact, of all my systems, the only one i truly play everyday is my dreamcast, aven though i own a ps2, gamecube, and an xbox.
to comment on what huh said, graphics don't make the game, or people wouldn't be shelling out a ton of money for super nintendo games like chrono trigger. – by hoosier daddy
|mi brains a fizzin (9:45am est wed may 01 2002)
lisen up … i got xbox ,gc, gba, pc, amiga etc..my house is a console brothel and i've been playing vid games since pong.i have one thing to say to all you geeks: get your tongues out of those corporate butts! just because you spent money does not mean your console rules forever. look at ps2 and all you see is old dreamcast games!!! upgrade to gc or xbox, they both rock…for now. – by zionik
|my point exactly. (10:01am est wed may 01 2002)
point exactly. i have not seen the ps2 do anything at all beyond what i have already seen on dc. i like the ps2, but this is fact. – by william foster
|ps2, hey, at least they got ff (10:10am est wed may 01 2002)
i buy various systems for the games they each come out with. for instance, i bought a ps2 because of final fantasy 10. in fact, i own every final fantasy game there is.
i buy a gamecube for smash bros. and zelda. and now, there's a final fantasy coming to gc!!
which brings me to my next question…
what does xbox have?
i mean, i love halo, but it was too damn easy! no lie, i beat the damn game on legendary the first time i played it.
the one thing that boils down to what system should everybody buy is the games. and fact is, xbox doesn't have that much. – by hanky spanky
|i want a job like that! (10:12am est wed may 01 2002)
i can't believe they actually paid someone to run a test like that! it just proves some people don't know what to do with their money. – by wow, dumb
|re: hanky spanky (10:55am est wed may 01 2002)
that's right man! ps2 has ff10, mgs2, gta3, gt3, dmc, tmb, did i miss any? with a line up like that, who can compete, nintendo? too bad they don't have those games on the newer consoles, they would look and sound a whole lot better (that's if thier not ported over)! – by william foster
|ooops, (10:57am est wed may 01 2002)
i meant "if they're not ported over". – by william foster
|mi head dials on up ta four (10:58am est wed may 01 2002)
hanky mi ol' china, i have to agree on your reasons for your purchases. i loved zelda on n64, chaos engine on amiga, halo on xbox etc..
but i can not believe that you think halo is xbox's only good game. munch is cool, doa3, pgr and jsrf too. i fink maybe you been playing that fusion frenzy shite… ..go on …admit it..you have havn't ya! – by zionik
|re: hoosier daddy (11:09am est wed may 01 2002)
i agree with you, but i also have to state that developers are now not only focusing on gameplay, but eye popping candy as well. i love playing my old nes games, but i would love even more to play an upgraded version of something like river city ransom on one these next gen systems "preferably xbox because of it's 5.1 dd and hd capabilities". old school games with awesome gameplay like battle toads, double dragon, and castlevania deserve to be upgraded onto one of the newer consoles. what if chrono was all 3d, 5.1, and hd? that would be awesome! ms needs good games, badly. the xbox has so so much potential! i'm just hoping developers won't let it go to waste. but unfortunately, they go where the money and the install base is. they don't seem to want to take pride in their game actually being the reason why a mainstream or even hardcore gamer buys a particular console. – by william foster
|re: zionik (11:13am est wed may 01 2002)
you are correct! fuzion frenzy is mindless and for kiddies (it's still mindless fun when playing with the kids though). the games you listed are definately awesome, but have you seen them in hd? it is the most beautiful thing i have ever seen. – by william foster
|re: strict9 (11:19am est wed may 01 2002)
yes, most of the fanboy people are closed minded. if only they could free their minds like neo. then perhaps they would see the matrix for what it really is. they have not yet experienced an experience beyond all experience. their minds are closed, yet they spew knowledge? of what you may ask? well, it is of rubbish ofcourse. free your mind, and your consoles will follow. – by william foster
|the tears fill my eyes (11:20am est wed may 01 2002)
ah yes… the joy of hd…a subject close to my heart (i'm a dvd author).. ..if only ..i didn't live in england!! bloody troglydytes never get around to anything quick enough..so i guess i have to wait for now. it might not wind me up so much but we english make nearly a quarter of the worlds video games and yet both hd and broadband are taking far too long!! – by zionik
|now that (11:27am est wed may 01 2002)
just bloody sucks! if i may add, the english/brits/europeans make very good games. thank you for gta3!!! maybe some of us hardcore american gamers need to go over to england and kick someone in the bum/arse to get things going, or coming. – by william foster
|dr. funnybone report (11:37am est wed may 01 2002)
its proven that once u get hit in the head you'll have no idea why u bought the xbox. which should of been labeled xbust!!
what does this report prove?!?!?! absolutely nothing!!! why dont they just publish a report about how fun it is to use windows while they're at it!!
this is like reading the funnies on sunday!!! – by :p
|re: all o ya (11:47am est wed may 01 2002)
bye all, thanks for the chat but i've got to go home soon (it's 4:45pm). have a nice day and i'll chat to you all again soon. – by zionik
|most xciting my arse (12:21pm est wed may 01 2002)
well there's a thing, big high street business sets out to determin which is the most xciting console in a totally unbiassed way for the good of humanity. yeah, right!
this is just another play by a company to shift stuff. the sugar council in britain years again tried top tell us that suagr wasn't bad in large amounts, the fag industry tried to tell us that tobacco was good for your throat, now dixon's a company that prides it's self in hiring only the most dimwitted slackers (and in no way are these slacker cool, they're just lazy wankers) who couldn't give you any really useful advice if they tried, now they are tell us the xloss, whoops xbox is xciting.
it's all maketing wank at the end of the day. the consumer is the target and they're trying to hit the dumb ones hardest.
science schmience.
– by spacca
|screw heineken (12:23pm est wed may 01 2002)
pabst blue ribbon!!!!!! – by dr6x3
|william (12:39pm est wed may 01 2002)
good point my friend. and even after that statement was made a number of mindless fools still write the same bullshit. the ps2 only has about a dozen games that are exceptionally good and i like about 5 xbox games. i have a dreamcast so that makes up for all the old good games that the ps2 has. the xbox has far more potential and it will have the games. i started playing halo via xboxconnect a few days ago and man . . . . does it ever rock!!! not a bit of lag and the graphics are beautiful. i can't believe i waited so long before i gave it a try. team slayer with a bunch of your friends riding in your warthog gunning down anything that moves . . . . . that's innovation. don't knock it till you try it ps2 fans because it is way cool. – by strict9
|halo halo hilo helo holo… (1:51pm est wed may 01 2002)
whatever… 8 months later and you're still bragging about the same game!!!
same old story with you xboxers…
why do u guys keep saying potential??!?!? its funny how when one is losing the battle that u resort to "im happy with being second". potential has nothing to do with it. my gf4 card has great potential too!! does that mean many will flock to it because it has superior specs?!? listen to yooourrselves!!
i think u should look up the word innovation before using it…
xbox is good as dead.
i have never seen self-denial at its best than an xbox forum. – by :p
|reality check (2:00pm est wed may 01 2002)
xbox is built around a brain-dead intel chip running a fatware o/s. how many games for the dreamcast actually used windows ce? i think 5.
dreamcast was an exceptional system, and i was sad to see it lose to the ps2 hype machine. but to say that the ps2 can't do anything more than the dc? i thought that until i played gran turismo 3. when that game came out, i opened my wallet. there is no way the dc could do that game. xbox, maybe. i know squat about gc, so i can't comment there. although smash bros on gc just might get my money.
there is nothing that ms and its infinite fud machine ™ can do to unseat sony. content is king, baby!
microsoft's failure to secure one of the saga series (mgs, ff, re, lok) exclusively is going to hurt them short term. and if they don't get more diversity in fighting games (imo what killed the dc) they will have trouble. with sega developing their top tier titles on ps2, and namco going to everybody but xbox, ms gets hurt there badly.
|:p (2:49pm est wed may 01 2002)
so according to you xbox is a flop because it is second right now? coming into an already dominated market that only way it is good is if it out sells ps2??? i think your delusional. they took a huge chunk from sony already. and all i hear from fanboys is gt3, final fantasy and metal gear 2. same shit, different pile. your foolish if you think that microsoft won't put out any good games. why do you guys even need a ps3? you seem to settle with inferior graphics and say they are not important . . . . . sony might just as well have stuck with the ps1 . . . cuz graphics don't matter to you. this is how you sound to most people reading these posts. – by strict9
|one more comment . . . (2:54pm est wed may 01 2002)
i will be bragging about halo in 8 months because it is that good. that's why xbox games are "more exciting". you just proved my point and the point of this article. even though i think the scientific research posted here has absolutely no significant value, i find it funny that you seem to agree with it. – by strict9
|. . . . (2:58pm est wed may 01 2002)
you talk about games . . . and how they are so important . . . but you need a new one every week because they have absolutely no replay value. i'm talking trash right now but this is all you hear from a hard core sony fan. bs with absolutely no point. – by strict9
|"xbox is built around a brain-dead intel chip running a fatware o/s" (3:01pm est wed may 01 2002)
it's funny . . . the one thing you can't deny is the fact that xbox does run better than the ps2. so why are you so down on the way they do it. oh wait, lets slap a sony sticker on the xbox then it's good. give me a break . . blah blah blah . . total crap. – by strict9
|im in it too win…. (3:30pm est wed may 01 2002)
regardless of who makes it!!
whether im a fanboy of sony, ms, nintendo, etc… if i was making a product and have only 2 competitors than my only option is to take first!! did u once think that being dead last is what microsoft hoped for or envisioned??? wake up!!!
it wasnt too long ago many of you xbust touters were claiming that xbox will out sell ps2. i guess that never came true either did it??
xbox is a flop according to me and ms. dismal sales, captain jumping ship, poor games…. the list goes on, on, on…. so yes it is a failure.
xbox launched w/ lots of hype but little substance. all it did was show great "potential" as u stated.. lol….
i could care less who makes the damn console but im certainly not going to be happy with a bronze medal.
– by :p
|lost battle…. (3:40pm est wed may 01 2002)
this battle is already lost. sony is the clear winner. xbox will not have enough time to produce incredible games before ps3 is marketed.
regardless how u wanna look at it and how many scenarios, angels u wanna justify your position w/xbust.. she's gonna sink like the bismarck… instead of the bottom of the ocean she's gonna be at the bottom of your trash can… – by :p
|:p (3:40pm est wed may 01 2002)
my mistake. i thought you actually wanted the best system . . . not the one that sold the more. your right . . you did win. of course they are going to sell more .. .. .. they have been in the market longer and have numerous loyal customers such as yourself. people that buy what they are told. the xbox is not a flop because it is sitting in numerous house holds and has many people using it that do think it is the best system around. if that wasn't true then there wouldn't be so many people on these boards posting to that fact and we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. – by strict9
|:p (3:41pm est wed may 01 2002)
don't think so. – by strict9
|the xbox is more exciting (4:00pm est wed may 01 2002)
just like progressive scan tv's with progressive scan dvd. is more exciting that plain dvd.
like dvd is more exciting than vhs.
its you brain gets as less excited the less fps that is why quake is so popular at 120fps its a sensory overload and its more exciting than tv becaus its a 27 fps because at 30 fps your brain is whats next this is boring at 60 it gets excited and involved. – by eric
|where's the potential? (4:38pm est wed may 01 2002)
where is the potential for xbox? potential is meaningless if it is not leveraged. besides, what makes xbox so much better? texture compression? please. ms' decision to go uma on this machine was confusing to say the least.
i don't see any must-have games coming down the pike for xbox in the near future. gcn and ps2 have titles out the wazoo coming out that will sell hardware. tekken 4 will sell systems. soul calibur 2 will sell systems. zelda and metroid will sell systems.
madden 2003 will not. maybe toejam and earl 3 in "fall 2002 (ign)". maybe shenmue2 in "winter 2002 (ign)". can ms afford to wait another 8 months for a title that will sell hardware? that's what killed sega. no must-have titles were in the hopper for fall 2000, so ps2 trounced it. isn't it interesting that is might be sega that saves ms' sorry ass? – by brian corbino
|eric – (4:43pm est wed may 01 2002)
why is progressive scan exciting? my wallet screams at the thought of a progressive scan tv (sony xbr 32″ is 1500 bucks!).
and i doubt anyone can tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps, unless the thing starts dropping frames. the human eye really can't see much difference in images after 24 fps. and on an interlaced ntsc signal 30 is better than 60 because at 60 you can get "tearing" of the image or you can get desynchronized frames (tv is 60 fields per second, and a field is either the odd or even lines of a frame. tv is 30 frames per second, and if you draw at 60 fps, you run the risk of having interlace problems)
on a pc, the optimum frame rate is equal to the vertical refresh rate of the video mode you are using, or again, you get tearing or other forms of artifacting.
as long as the game doesn't drop frames then you really have no need to care about frame rate, so long as it meshes nicely with your display's refresh rate. – by brian corbino
|re: :p (4:46pm est wed may 01 2002)
wow, someone complained about us xbox fans using halo even 8 months (thats incorrect btw.. see its may first… and halo came out with xbox in november 27th or so….. 5,4,3,2,1,12,11) its less than 6 months ago.. *muhaha* you guys still say ooo gta3 is soo cool as is mgs2… all of those games were released almost a year ago… xbox is getting mgsx if im not mistaken. they are also getting gta3.
"sony is the clear winner" in what sales of an out dated console.
bottom line stop whining about how good your "ps2" is, its outdated… just claim how good ps3 will be and i might give you some respect. if you whine that xbox makes you pay for dvd control's. ps2's dvd is subpar, there's no dolby dig support that i know of and you have to use your little dinky black remote to use it(awfully confusing). xbox comes with a hardrive, ps2 makes you pay 100 (?) bucks or more for it!.. xbox has no games? if you owned an xbox you would know games. i dont own ps2 and the only reason i know about mgs2, gta3 and ff(x)'s are because of people on the posts jabbering about it, and ive played mgs1 on my computer, and gta3 at a friends house
|surly_fly: (4:57pm est wed may 01 2002)
facts? here are some unbiased facts.
playstation2's mips r10000-based ee at 294 mhz can sustain 1.6 gflops.
xbox's 733 mhz mobile celeron can sustain about 1 gflop. most of the brain problems of the intel architecture are masked by the development environment, but let's face it, the p3 is a little long in the tooth. the core architecture is over 20 years old.
playstation2's custom os is optimized for games.
xbox's windows2000 lite is not.
playstation2's rambus main memory has sufficient bandwidth to make up for the 4 mb frame buffer for texturing.
xbox's uma will be a lmimiting factor going forward.
playstation2's manufacturing costs are lower because there is no hard drive.
xbox's manufacturing costs are higher because of the hard drive. the long term prospects for reliability are lower as well.
now, tell me – what games are there for xbox (other than halo and doa3) that i can't get on another platform? are the multi-platform games on xbox sufficiently better than their counterparts on ps2 or gcn? in short, where is my financial incentive to shell out 500 bucks for a system with games, controllers, and cables? look at the list of games that have been announced through the end of 2002! no standout aaa titles! none!!
a ferrari f50 has major potential too, but nobody is driving them on the highways of the u.s.
no, i am not a fanboy. i know from computers, and the xbox is lame technology. ms wanted so bad to get a windows powered set-top box on the market that they built a box based on inferior architecture to do it. and that is why they will ultimately fail. – by brian corbino
|failure flop fatality (5:11pm est wed may 01 2002)
im not here to praise ps2 or sony im here to make a valid point that xbox but no means is a great success as u xbust owners make it out to be. great "potential" my ass… everything has great potential but like the old saying goes..u can lead a horse to a pond but u cant make it drink.
so what if xbox is getting mgs 2!?!?! they're getting ports!!! its not an exclusive. who got it first?? ps!!
i do want the best system…but not if its only collecting dust!!! and lack quality software.
i have three friends who bought xbox and now regret it. seems like there's only a handful xboxers in this forum ranting feverishly about their over sized drink coaster.
the facts lie amougst us everyday. it seems like every other day there's a negative article on how xbox is doing. than today we have a pathetic article depicting how fun it is to play xbox?!?!!!!??? i guess if this is how u guys get your kicks than so be it. you're not left with much to chuckle about. – by :p
|brian corbino (9:54pm est wed may 01 2002)
and i doubt anyone can tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps.
in quality no, but how it draws you in and keeps you brain more active yes. its been proven that even slow movies with higher fps can be more exciting that action packed movies run at slow fps because the extra frames stilmualte you brain and let it get more involved. – by eric
|games on the way (10:52pm est wed may 01 2002)
what are you guys talkin about go to ebgames.com their are like 60 or 70 games commgin out before the end of the year like star wars. morrowind which is awsome! terminator,crimson skies,xmen, torok which will have better gameplay on the xbox, spider man and blood omen which look much better on xbox and who can forget the game thats saposed to beat halo, unreal championship with like 32 charecters and 25 maps or the other way around, and i have a cable modem im goin to be playin online so u sony fags can go buy your memory cards and network adapters thats and extra 80 buck and have only 2 game pads and ps2 is a crappy dvd player, and has no 5.1 sound in games which i alos have. and i dont care what you say but better controllers unless your a bitch and have small hands. once xbox goes down in price the sales will rock look at what happend in alstraila…xbox is far from dead and yeah its got a celeron which is disapointing but guss what moron the cpu does jack shit it just connects the memory to gpu which is a pretty respectable 233mhz nvidia chip and who makes the best video cards for pc? o yeah nvidia ps2 can not compare in power and the games are on the way!
if you like ps2 fine but get your facts together if your goin to badmouth xbox bc it deserves some respect……and i know i cant spell so shut up – by prof. frink
|re. prof. frink (3:02am est thu may 02 2002)
thats a p3 in the xbox not a celeron you retard. – by byte me
|gta 3 on xbox when? (3:27am est thu may 02 2002)
i keep hearing this but so far their is no news of gta 3 coming out for the xbox, just rumors. is this really going to come out for xbox or is it just a pipe dream? – by byte me
|re prof frink (4:23am est thu may 02 2002)
optimised p3 buddy! and a 300mhz gforce3 with an extra vertex shader for the visuals. mmmmmmmmgeforce. – by zionik
|gta3 is on the way (4:40am est thu may 02 2002)
it's confirmed in all the british press and we made! dunno when though. – by zionik
|re: cube hardware (4:44am est thu may 02 2002)
you all keep talking ps2 competition for xbox but gc hardware rocks. superior cpu to xbox and 8 lights in silicon. mmmmmmmmlights. – by zionik
|x-box (6:19am est thu may 02 2002)
i guess the experiment is true.
the people do get more excited over x-box.
its games were the only new ones to the players.
they only played for a while
so guess why the results is so. – by king
| brian corbino (7:57am est thu may 02 2002)
your specs mean shit because it is common knowledge that the xbox runs smoother, faster, sounds better and has better graphics. even the ports from other systems run better. every game review states that and everyone knows that. you obviously are in denial. you can twist the numbers around all you want but it won't make your pos2 (piece of shit) any better. i actually don't think it's a piece of shit i actually like allot of the games but . . . i have to sink to the ps2 fanboy level once in awhile. – by strict9
|zionik (8:02am est thu may 02 2002)
your right . . . the gc does rock. i was really surprised when i saw how good some of the games looked. it would be my next choice after the xbox. especially if zelda or metroid come out. nintendo is the leader for exclusive games. sony and ms could learn from them. look at the games the origional nintendo put out. man . . . that is when gaming was really fun. – by strict9
|re: strict9 (8:55am est thu may 02 2002)
i think microsoft understand that too, they spent huge cash to ensure exclusive games, most of them aren't finished yet so maybe we'll have a better idea by xmass '02. gc comes out over here in england tommorow and mines paid for along with rogue leader, super monkey ball and luigi's mansion. i look forward to the weekend. – by zionik
|strict9 (9:37am est thu may 02 2002)
yes, the specs do mean shit – but you were the one who claimed that the xbox was more powerful.
and it is a celeron [h]ard|ocp took one apart and looked at it. a mobile celeron at that!
no denial here. the only console i ever bought on release day was the dreamcast. and i'm not likely to buy another console to play games that are also out for a console i already have.
let microsoft prove itself. the market is efficient. i am simply providing my analysis of why they will fail. they are making all the right mistakes!
|hard drives in consoles? (9:40am est thu may 02 2002)
will someone please tell me the supposed benefit to this? i haven't seen one game yet where you can either download new levels/tracks or create your own and share them. why do i need 8 gb of hard drive to store saved games?
what is it there for? – by brian corbino
|my impressions (9:53am est thu may 02 2002)
ps2 = has a little more power than the dc, however i actually think that the dc games look better.
gamecube = has potential, but where are the games. ever notice how certain tv shows are "brought to you by gamecube…" however you see no gamecube ads, only gameboy advanced ads…
xbox = the best console currently on the market. it has the most power of the three consoles and a built in hard drive too! the other two consoles just don't compare. – by jj
|re: brian corbino (9:59am est thu may 02 2002)
once again our british game designers have to lead the way. you wanna see a hard drive used? check out project ego from lionhead! every action your character makes that effects something ingame is recorded, stay in the sun gets a tan, fighting builds muscle and if you slap a kid in a village he could still bear a grudge when you return ten years later , that split lip you gave him leaving a scar. it's out in a couple of months and will use the hard drive as it should be used, to emerse you in the game world!! – by zionik
|brian corbino (10:04am est thu may 02 2002)
one thing that i really enjoy about the hd is the ability to rip my favorite music cd's to the console and play my tracks apposed to the tracks that come with the game. games like tony hawks and amped are more fun when you can change the music every once in awhile. and of course you haven't seen the ability to copy new levels to your hd yet because first of all the ms network is even going yet and secondly the games haven't been out long enough for there to be any new levels made. you guys keep forgetting that the xbox hasn't been out as long as the ps2. you expect it to have a huge game library and shit when it just came out. anyway . . . very annoying but no sense bitching because no one listens anyway. – by strict9
|re jj (10:09am est thu may 02 2002)
xbox rocks that is true but lets not write off nintendo so soon huh, nintendo make some cool original games that help push video games forward. i will be buying a gc tommorow at the european launch even though i already have an xbox. – by zionik
|guess it's true (10:40am est thu may 02 2002)
i guess what they say is true, that the xbox is more exciting, since there are now nearly 70 replies about this. everyone's getting excited over some stupid experiment. – by +_+
|+_+ (10:50am est thu may 02 2002)
wow!! good one . . . o) – by strict9
|re: jj (10:58am est thu may 02 2002)
the ps2 has more memory than the dc, that may be the reason why it seems more powerful. otherwise yes, i think with a little bit more memory (and if it was possible for it to display more colors), gt3 could possible run on it. just my opinion in comparing gt3 graphics to the old sega gt. – by william foster
|popo (11:02am est thu may 02 2002)
popo on your games – by kyle
|ps2 mem (11:12am est thu may 02 2002)
more main memory on ps2 yes but the ps2 has only…..wait for it…4mb of texture memory! dc has 8mb. no wonder so many ps2 games look washed out. – by zionik
|re: kyle (11:19am est thu may 02 2002)
popo?….?? – by zionik
|i like it . . . . (11:20am est thu may 02 2002)
i think the xbox is by far the best system available. i don't think the ps2 has anything better on the way than the xbox has. i mean, yes, the ps2 has more now but i look to the future not the past. if that were the case i'd buy an origional nintendo. it has lots of great games. but . . . the system doesn't give me the same gaming experience. xbox is the by far the best choice. – by draken
|brian corbino (11:22am est thu may 02 2002)
you seem to be looking for reasons not to like the xbox. what is your beef with it anyway? you facts are pointless and make no sense. i have ps2 and xbox and the xbox does run better by far. especially with the hd tv. you can tell a difference. – by baltaxic
|re::p (11:24am est thu may 02 2002)
you say lost battle? the battle has yet to begin. you seem to bias towards anything but sony. your postings are not worth reading unless you can bring something better to the table – by lexx
|re: subject potential (11:27am est thu may 02 2002)
where's the potential for xbox? it's in the games (with a little help from more memory, ethernet, dd 5.1, harddrive (10gb), high def, & developers willing to create innovative software products). do the ports from the other consoles look & sound better on the xbox? yes, they do. any objections? do the same games on the ps2 look better on the gc? no. is it true that xbox & gc both debuted in november? yes. do they have as many games as ps2? no. is ps2 japanese? yes. do the japanese make most of the console games that we play? yes. will they want an american console to out do thiers? most likely not. did the hype for the ps2 kill the dc? yes. will xbox suffer the same fate? no. why? because sega has a history of giving up on thier consoles if they weren't generating a profit (but how could they with only a good games out of the many sucky ones? that's why 3do, jaguar, & turbographix failed). ms knows that this will be a hard battle and they have so far made some harsh mistakes. but do you really think for an instant that they are going to pull out of the market just because they made a few mistakes, are willing to rectify them (and are doing so), and realize that they do need exclusive content and console selling software? if i were ms, i wouldn't. i would make things so easy for developers to make games for the xbox (just as sony did with the ps1) that they would think it was a dream. ms has the money, sega did not. ms knows that it will take a long time to establish themselves in the console gaming market. do you really think those guys in that company are that stupid? they are competitors, & in the market is where they compete. they have a very good console that outshines the others, all they need is the games for it. you will probably never buy an xbox because your mind is closed (and you know who you are). – by william foster
|re: subject potential cont….. (11:28am est thu may 02 2002)
even when (noticed i said when) the xbox starts to make the other consoles look like outdated pieces of crap (like the snes did to the genesis), you probably still won't buy one because you are product loyalist's. you will miss out on new innovative original games because you of what you believe. i have already said it again & again, that if you own a ps2 & an xbox, then you know which console is the best. hopefully ms will prove all of you closed minded individuals wrong. also, i just wanted to mention that the pc has more games than any console & most of them have intel hardware in them. so why all the fuss about intel pentium being old & sucky or something to that nature? – by william foster
|re: baltaxic (11:29am est thu may 02 2002)
it hurts when you spend money on a console and it turns out pretty shit 2!! thats why fanboys argue crap yup. – by zionik
|i apologize (11:33am est thu may 02 2002)
i meant to state that sega has a history of giving up on thier consoles if they don't generate enough profit. like with dc, they were hoping to get themselves out of the red. too bad ps2 hype caused many potential customers to hold on to their cash until the ps2 debuted. – by william foster
|re: william foster (11:38am est thu may 02 2002)
just a small niggle mate, i agree with what your saying but japan makes just over a quarter of our games, usa makes about 30%, uk just under a quarter and the rest of the world does the rest. – by zionik
|i wish i (11:44am est thu may 02 2002)
could understand why so many "mainstream" gamers & console loyalists hope for xbox to fail. is it because you hate ms? everyone that i know that owns an xbox is very happy with it. i also know people who are ready to buy and trying to decide which of the 3 (actually 2, ps2 & xbox because they both play dvd's & cd's). from what they have seen of the two consoles (despite what they have been hearing in the media & the fact that the ps2 has more games to choose from as of now), they have decided to go with the xbox. also, i haven't been to one best buy, compusa, or target that doesn't have more than 2 or 3 xbox's on the shelves while amongst the piles of blue ps2 boxes. it must just be where i live that the xbox is selling. – by william foster
|re: zionik (11:47am est thu may 02 2002)
wow, i didn't know that?! who else makes games besides the japanese, europeans, & americans? i though we all were the only ones! – by william foster
|re: william foster (12:23pm est thu may 02 2002)
fins, germans, french (ever play flashback from delphine?), italiens (a few), ausies and one developer in africa (for xbox no less). that's about it i think. – by zionik
|all o ya (12:33pm est thu may 02 2002)
bye -i'm going home! – by zionik
|re: fanboy bias (1:25pm est thu may 02 2002)
no bias here. there is currently one game on xbox that i even care to play (doa3). none of the games that have been announced even get my attention, except for ones that are going to be coming out for gcn or ps2. and since there are a few gc exclusive games that i want, i'll buy that.
i'll admit that i would love to see xbox fail – but for several reasons. i'd like to see ms lose for once, i'd like to see the intel architecture dealt a death blow (believe me, i'd run a powerpc if i could get something orhter than macos or linux on it), and i'd like to see fud lose for once. you have no idea how much i wanted ps2 to fail because of the fud machine. i still wound up buying one, but not because of fud.
if ms ever manages to release an exclusive game that i must have, then i will buy an xbox, and not before. – by brian corbino
|brian corbino (1:32pm est thu may 02 2002)
so full of hate. oh well, i have no hard feelings towards any of these companies that bring us new technology so i'll just choose the best of all the systems . . . . xbox. i like final fantasy and gta3 from the ps2 but that's not enough to make me want to buy it. not when there is newer more powerful technology available that does have great games and will have more great games. – by strict9
|observation (1:35pm est thu may 02 2002)
i notice that there are far more xbox fans posting lately than there are ps2 fans. the tides must be turning. – by strict9
|brian corbino (1:40pm est thu may 02 2002)
and yes you are bias.
bias – an unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice.
you have a prejudice against ms, intel and fud which is most definitely causing you to make the wrong decisions. that's my thoughts on the matter anyway. but hey, your free to think how ever you want, it really makes no difference. – by strict9
|lets wait and see…. (2:46pm est thu may 02 2002)
again!! how correct i was last time and how correct i will be in the future.
if my memory serves me correctly i stated a few months ago that xbox will not do well overseas and domestically due to lack of software and over hype!! so far i'm on the money. i'd never once thought things would get worse for xbox but they have. co-creator jumping ship, dismal sales… negative articles every other day depicting trouble(s) in msxbox camp….
this console is far from revolutionary and will never succeed in being number one. by the time it has a handful of cool games..ps3 will be out and no one will be talking about the xbust. all u xboxers will start praising ps3.
this will happen and its inevitable. if u think this console will survive for more than 2 years — you're all in for a rude awakening…
so far u xbox fanboys have the same old excuse and lame "specs" debate, dvd this dvd that… its not revolutionary by any means and its old technology. ms made their biggest blunder by not concentrating on games. but instead, saturating the console with so so titles in order to brag about having 60+ titles…
this is clearly evident.. u guys have "self denial" written on your forehead!!
like i said, regardless how u xbusters wanna prove how much you're right.. there's not one article in the past couple of weeks states the xbox is destined to have a bright future…. – by :p
|:p (2:57pm est thu may 02 2002)
still makes the ps2 look like the pos2. they will learn from the mistakes that they have made. the future for the xbox is going to be grand. – by strict9
|my 2 cents… (5:33pm est thu may 02 2002)
is that you all have gotten way off topic here. comment on the article and don't turn this into another mine is bigger than yours thread.
just because one company is selling more than the other doesn't make it better. remember the beta/vhs debacle? beta had the better specs, but vhs won out. how about the atari lynx vs gameboy. lynx died, but was years ahead of the gameboy. how about amiga/st vs pc's. i brought in an st to work and my pc dev workmates were amazed that it could do sound and color at the same time!
the best system doesn't always win out and that's a fact. chill and enjoy what you have. no matter what you have, it probably won't be here tomorrow anyway. – by rick
|no room for error… (5:36pm est thu may 02 2002)
this is no room for error in this market my friend… one wrong move and you're toast. sega was a huge console developer they made one mistake — that's all it took to take them out. ms's xbox so far has blundered several times. its future is bleak and there's no telling where its headed except to the history pages of whatta, could'a, should'a, has been… i guess as u had word it, "potential" ….lol.. – by :p
|proves my point… (5:43pm est thu may 02 2002)
it just comes to show to all of you who praise xbox that even with all the money ms has…they launched a mediocre product that made mistakes one after another. how can a company that size make such dumb moves that i wouldnt have done myself…proves only one thing. ms's intention were never set on gamers but a mere replacement for their failed webtv project.
look at the bigger picture..
|you guys are just as bad as me (6:23pm est thu may 02 2002)
in the amd v intel issue! – by nataku
|where do you get your info? (7:45pm est thu may 02 2002)
go to tomshardware, they took apart a xbox and he says theirs a custem celeron with sse2 and better floating point they advertise as p3 for dumb people to think its really powerful but in reality the cpu does little when it comes to graphics thats what the 233mhz gpu is for! and at you can check it out and see that im right at nvidia.com….moron? and the benifits of a hd are cacheing the game onto it so shorter or no load times like in halo and no memory cards of course and ripping your cds on it to lisen while playing some games and the other thing xbox is a pc and you know how fast pc get outdated and drop in price so you can expect a price cut for the holliday season – by prof.frink
|re: prof. frink (12:25am est fri may 03 2002)
what are you talking about? the xbox has a 733mhz pentium 3 not a celeron! even tomshardware has an article about the insides of the xbox and even they stated that it has a p3. quote from the article "upon closer inspection, we can see that this is a pentium iii coppermine 733 mhz processor with a mobile fc-bga package soldered directly onto the motherboard. this reduces costs and saves on space."
here's the link to tomshardware article:
it's a good article on the xbox's insides too.
|re: :p (3:31am est fri may 03 2002)
sega did not make one mistake, they made several mistakes. unfortunately it was the same mistake 1(sega cd), 2(32x), 3(32x cd), 4(sega saturn) times. they tried to come back with the dc, and they just might have if it wasn't for the hype of the ps2. the dc was the best console sega ever made and it actuallly had some really good games and developers developing for it. when ps1 first debuted, did you buy one? or were you skeptical as to what in the world sony was doing the the video gaming market? in my opinion the ps1 had some really sucky games when it first came out & i didn't trust sony as a new comer to do anything to dethrone n & compete with sega. that's why i didn't buy one. i waited, and i would have waited to buy an xbox if they had not began to show so much determination & effort in support for their console. i will wait 2 yrs to see how the xbox will do, but if it does well, i hope you're still around so i can tell you that you were wrong. honestly, i think you're stirring up the pot just for fun to see what kind of reactions you get from people, lol! – by william foster
|man you dudes smoke crack (5:49am est fri may 03 2002)
first and for most a list of must ahve games for the x box and th ps2
xbox must haves
ps2 must haves
that makes it 11 to 6 in my book
but i got my x box now!!!!
lol also some one said that the p3 was using the same base core as the original pentium and this is not true the pent,pentpro and pent2 used the same core but the 3 had a very diferent core (as does the pent4 too) goes to show you what kind of crap people will say when they are loosing an arguement :) – by grunt
|off topic (5:49am est fri may 03 2002)
did you all know it's european gc launch day today? – by zionik
|project ego (5:54am est fri may 03 2002)
wanna do this ps2 fanboys? best buy a hsrd drive…mmm …console..add on drive…broadband adapter…this ps2 thing sure starts to look pricey, perhaps they should have put all this in to start with then maybe you could. – by zionik
|opps (6:04am est fri may 03 2002)
some forgot to metion the wonderful people in spain in the discussion about weho makes these games the spainish gave me one of the best games i ever played on pc (blade of darkness) and soon they will bring it to x box in its super enhanced glory :) – by grunt
|one post (6:14am est fri may 03 2002)
this is in regards to those people that refuse to try something new cos of thier hatred for certain companies
i used to hate sony with apassion mainly because of how every fucker that decided gaming was cool cos of th1-3 and then whent and got a sony sytem because sony is "a big name" and sony was trendy
but recently i have been playing my friends ps2 and ill admit there are some cool games on it its just im to broke to get one at the moment
honestly now people are you a real gamer or just some ones pocket toy cos any real gamer given they had the money they would buy all 3 sytems and like/love them all – by grunt
|re: grunt (6:31am est fri may 03 2002)
ps2 fans may add dmc, jax & dexter, & tmb to that list, but it still doesn't add up. true ms has made some mistakes, but it's not like they can't recover from them. face it, the xbox is awesome hands down. if ms can get some of the japanese game developers to make games for it, and take advantage of its hareware. have you seen screen shots of the new panzer dragoon? it looks awesome! and i can't wait to see project ego and shenmue 2(that of which mr. yu s. is enhancing just for xbox). i agree with you the must haves are very good for xbox, but i know they will only get better. – by william foster
|give it six months (8:08am est fri may 03 2002)
and then let's have this conversation again.
then we shall see who is right. – by brian corbino
|i am the disco doctor (8:20am est fri may 03 2002)
the "xrocks!!" (my clever play on words) is going to have a huge advantage when project ego comes out. i'll have to do some research but if it's anything like some of you have described it, we are in for a huge hit. – by strict9
|project ego again (10:30am est fri may 03 2002)
if project ego only half delivers it will still provide new ideas for other developers. panzer dragoon looks cool but does anyone know anything about the game content? shooter? roleplay? or both? the screenshots make it look very shooty but i would like to see some roleplay element too. – by zionik
|re: brian corbino (6:58pm est fri may 03 2002)
your expectations are unrealistic. everyone knows ps2 already has a huge lead over the other 2 consoles, so it will take a miracle in order for either of them to catch up at this point in time. 5 yrs is the realistic console lifetime for it to make a name for itself. i agree with grunt as far as people buying the ps1 because it was trendy. hardcore gamers play everything if they can afford it. mainstream gamers play what the rest of the market sheep play. the developers are going to go where the money is if they want to make a profit, & for now that is ps2. but that still doesn't change the fact that the gc & xbox are better consoles. – by william foster
|re: strict9 (7:04pm est fri may 03 2002)
yes! i too am waiting for project ego! so far it looks awesome and that's just the screenshots! if it lives up to what the creator of it says (the same guy that was responsible for black & white on the pc), then it should be an innovative, cool, & overall great gaming experience! wait until you buy it, get it home, & play it on your hdtv (& i also assume that you have a 5.1 setup too. what's the purpose of having hd without the dd 5.1?) – by william foster
|correction (7:26pm est fri may 03 2002)
gc & xbox are better consoles hardware wise compared to the ps2, but the ps2 for now has most of the mainstream gamers. but is the fight really over? only a ps2 loyalist would say yes. – by william foster
|so far (1:39am est sat may 04 2002)
84 games will be on display for xbox at e3. 106 for the ps2. 42 for the gc.
– by william foster
|sorry (1:44am est sat may 04 2002)
dude i could of sworn it said it was a cely my bad my memory is shot from pot – by prof.frink
|this is (6:38am est sat may 04 2002)
why sony also has the lead. they are not afraid to try games like zettai zetsumei toshi. it doens't look all that great, but i bet it's really fun to play. if xbox had this kind of game, ofcourse everyone would say that it sucks or it's stupid. if it's not a mainstream name brand game or a mainstream got to have one console, it's crap right?
– by william foster
|ps2 sales fig. in 2005 (10:06pm est mon may 06 2002)
you really belive that ps2 can hold off xbox for 3 years? 2005 you ps3 arivies. sony is a hardware company so they have to sell more of the same crappy hardware longer to make a profit. i case anyone has forgoten who is the largest software company in the world? oh of course bill's little company lol. bill could pay cash for sony by 2005 and knowing ms history it just may happen lol j/k – by herk427
|last word (6:59am est tue may 07 2002)
my last word on this whole issue is this: who is the biggest software company? we all know. who made the most cash from games last year? yep, nintendo. mmmmmmmm …game over? no way. – by zionik
|re: herk427 (4:32am est thu may 09 2002)
yeah!!! i think the xbox will make it's foot print in the sand long before the ps3 debuts in 2005. ms is very determined because they are already working on the xbox 2 as we speak (or type). you also hit the nail right on the head, ms has the bucks. they aren't just going to lie down and give up like sega did. also this is their chance to make a reputation for their brand. i really like the xbox alot. it is the best gaming experience (to my senses) that i have ever had. the potential of what is possible on the xbox console blows me away and makes me only wish that much more that i was a game programer or designer. i would definately develop games for the hd, dd 5.1, harddrive capable xbox. i think its awesome. i can't wait until e3 and later on this year when all the new games begin to debut. – by william foster
|if you don't have the moolah, just shut up. (3:45pm est thu jun 06 2002)
it's all about the blur.and the extraneous variables.i bought multiple versions of the same games for different platforms to once and for all, in my dear old finicky mind, settle which system has the best gameplay experience..case no. 1. the fabled tony hawk 3. i thought the ps2 leap to the xbox would have minimal graphical differences,but lo and behold,it was staggering.the ps2 version looked like a cheap vcr copy of a cheap vcr copy.all the rich detail and crispness of the xbox version seemed to have been pasted over with a wet cellophane wrap.sunny xbox afternoons became ps2 drizzly evenings.20/20 vision regressed to nearsighted impatience.of course the gameplay is intact, twins, in fact, but i just can't play one version knowing another is leaps and bounds graphically more immersive..case no. 2. silent hill 2. the ps2 version is actually better for the game's atmosphere, the blurriness adds to the noise level needed for that old school b-movie effect, but then again we all want our pyramid head monsters sharp and horrendous, do we? in the xbox, silent hill takes almost an obscenely sexual lifelike quality, in the ps2, well, it's a b-movie.hook it up with a dolby digital set-up and the ps2 becomes so 20th century, like andy warhol.now this relative comparison would never be complete without logical assumptions, first, objectively, any game designed for the ps2 will ultimately look and sound better in the xbox if ported over, and gameplay mechanics, being equal, the xbox immersive experience therefore would be apparently more complete and dare i say, more exciting than the ps2 experience for the same game.the said study could then be construed as valid if tested with the extraneous variables rooted out.check this out for yourself and conduct the same experiment,play both xbox and ps2 versions of the same game and draw your own scientific and unbiased conclusions, you may just be surprised with the education. – by carl jung
|re: carl jung (2:07am est fri jun 07 2002)
thank you for pointing out what i've been trying to tell these fan boys all along! – by william foster
|xbox exciting? (10:53am est sun jun 23 2002)
xbox is dying a slow death like the dc. ms can't sell an xbox to save themselves anywhere but the us. it took a $250 price drop in australia and europe for people to even notice it was on the shelves. and even so ps2 still outsold it. and its much much worse in japan. even psone and dc are outselling xbox in japan. – by rich
|none (10:18pm est sat sep 21 2002)
this whole argument is stupid why are they even trying to make a case the ps2 is old and outdated why would and company put a system out 2 years later that is worse than a 2 year earlier system. also games comming our for the box are so much better than ps2. gta3 is overated also. – by alex d
|ps2 sales will crash after jun-03 (12:17pm est thu nov 07 2002)
let the time to the xbox to launch splinter cell, fable, sudeki, unreal championship, kakuto chojin, doom 3, true fantasy online, and finally halo 2… after it xbox's sales will climb unbelievably. – by gama
|to all the fanboys out there (6:09pm est sat mar 01 2003)
you guys should read the article, instead of just jumping to conclusions. dumb ass fanboys.
"this is why there's no substitute for testing the games console before you buy." – by ender
|since the beginning (1:07pm est sat jun 14 2003)
sony came up with ps1 and i agree that it was the king at that time. but all these year after going through much
r&d it still couldn't match xbox's graphic intensity. considering it was ms first gaming console, i think they deserve the credit. xbox rulezz – by limpsony
|re: rich (6:16pm est fri aug 13 2004)
dumbest post ever. – by exps2player.
|ps2 is great (6:20pm est tue dec 14 2004)
ireally lkie ps2 xbox sucks – by kr
|ps2 (7:08pm est tue dec 14 2004)
i have both systems and i like ps2 better because it has more games and the only game xbox has that ps2 does not have is halo and halo 2 so i think ps2 is better and always will be – by ps2 rocks
|gamer (8:12pm est wed dec 15 2004)
i cant believe u r giving the richest guy in world more money by buying his game and system – by gamer
|xbox sux (8:14pm est wed dec 15 2004)
xbox blows nuts u all suck who have xbox – by xbox sux
|what can i say (4:33pm est mon feb 20 2006)
william foster you talk alot – by sarah justus
|jhood (2:14pm est thu apr 13 2006)
i think that video games are ok but it's all about that paper – by jhood


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The Next Season of House of Cards Has a Premiere Date
It'll start streaming on Netflix February 27.
House of Cards announced its third-season premiere date on Twitter this morning with a brief video of the Underwoods hosting a very warm and loving dinner party, surrounded by family and friends. Just kidding — it's actually a silent shot of them walking onto Air Force One and grimacing. If even a threesome couldn't lighten these two up, why would the presidency? The third season of Cards will start streaming on Netflix February 27 — anyone familiar with the British original will be waiting anxiously to see if it's got the same ending.
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How To Work With Etched Brass
So today we'll take a look at how to work with brass etch as that is somewhat of a mystery to many modelers. I have also included a bit about using brass chain and brass jewelry wire as these too can be fiddly to work with, but can leave you with great results. We will start out with looking at some useful tools that will come in handy for working with brass, there are plenty of specialized tools you can acquire as well, but we will focus on using some basic tools that are easy to obtain instead.
When applying etched brass details to models you have to take into consideration the shape of the surface you will be applying it to. Etched brass comes in sheets and therefore the pieces are all flat, but that does not mean you can only apply them to flat surfaces.
Now applying etched brass to a flat surface is easy, and we won't go into detail with that as the same techniques for applying the brass neatly applies to flat pieces as well. Instead this article will focus on the more challenging applications, namely to rounded and curved surfaces.
Let's start of with looking at some practical tools:
- Clippers – for cutting larger pieces of brass.
- Tweezers– to handle small details.
- Cutting mat – not for cutting the brass, it will bend before being cut, but it is a great surface for shaping brass on.
- Sticky Tac – for dry fitting and aiding in applying the brass.
- Needle or other pointy object – to apply superglue in small quantities.
- Hard plastic object – This can be any sort of scrap plastic, like a CD cover etc, to cut brass with a knife on.
- Scalpel/hobby knife – for cutting.
- Files – for hard to get edges.
- Sandpaper – in case you need a smoother finis than the files can manage.
- Pliers, round and flat nosed – for bending brass parts without cutting yourself.
- Large brushes – an assortment of different large brushes with rounded handles for shaping the brass.
Most modelers have these tools already, and tools such as the round nosed pliers can usually be bought cheaply (I paid very little for mine). Now we will go in depth with some examples on how to prepare and apply the brass.
Here you can see an assortment of different etched brass details, brass chain and brass wire.
Brass is an excellent material for modelers as it allows you to make much more delicate detail that still have a lot of strength. Therefore I have also added an example of how you can super detail a miniature using chain and wire along with etched brass later in the article.
But we will start off by looking at the biggest challenge, fitting brass to a curved surface. For this example I choose to use one of the round Imperial Fists icons from the Forge World range (see our review here) that is going to be applied to the turret of a Deimos pattern predator, also from Forge world, as it has a good shape for this challenge.
First we take the icon, this should be cleaned of all excessive protruding brass from the frame (the little pegs sticking out of it), use a hard surface like a piece of plastic to get a clean cut, if you cut it on the cutting mat it will bend as the mat is too soft.
Usually I would use the back of a big brush to press the icon into the shape of a contact lens if the icon was to be fitted to a space marine shoulder pad or similar, but this icon is too big for me to use the brush.
Therefore I had to find a bigger rounded object to use, and in this case the wooden ball handle of my pin vice turned out to be perfect. I also found out that the cutting mat wasn't flexible enough to cushion the brass part of this size, so I found a cork plug from a bottle of wine that had more flexibility. I then placed the brass piece on the flat side of the cork plug with the backside facing up, and pressed the ball handle into the center of the backside pressing the flat brass into the desired lens shape.
After dryfitting to see if the curve would fit the surface I used a piece of sticky tac and made a handle. This is to prevent my fingers being stuck in the superglue.
I then placed a dot of superglue in the middle of the icon, it's important to use the glue sparingly as it will expand to the entire surface area of the brass when you press it in place.
Now you might experience that the edges of the brass gapes a little which will be very visible when painted – trust me… The solution to that is to add a little superglue (this has to be the thin kind to work) with a needle or other pointy instrument, it just needs a fine tip.
The glue will be sucked into the recess by capillary force, and all you have to do now it to press the edge tight, preferably with a tool that doesn't scratch the brass like a wooden match etc, and wait till the glue has dried. This will have to be done in several stages depending on how many gapes are visible.
That's it really, now the part is ready for painting.
Here's some examples of how brass can be used for detailing, even the leftover frames can be used to make stuff such as hinges etc. Only your imagination is the limit.
Never throw anything away, these leftover frames might just come in handy.
Here's a few examples where old brass frame have been used to make hinges for the brass chain.
Brass wire was also used to add extra detail.
This converted terminator has had detail added from the Forge World Iron Hands Etched Brass.
Lastly, here's some examples of how brass can be used to add detail to tanks, even small details like adding brass numerals can add an extra level of detail and character to your model.
This Land Raider has had a brass VII added as its legion number, which is a theme I've used throughout my Pre-Heresy Imperial Fists army.
That's it for now, I hope this tutorial will come in handy for some of you out there. I would love to hear some of your ideas for other uses of brass, or if you have any new tips/experiences you would like to share then throw them in the comments.
The Damned Artificer or TDA is an avid painter and modeler with over 12 years of experience. He's been an active forum blogger since 2009 and his work can be found on fora such as Warseer, Dakkadakka, B&C and several others. TDA is the newest contributor to Graven Games and there is a lot of exciting stuff in the pipeline.


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There are many interesting yet fun stories as well as interesting commentary throughout the book. I believe anyone with an interest in federal law enforcement and the Secret Service will enjoy the work.
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Dan Emmett earned a bachelor's degree from North Georgia College in criminal justice and a master's degree from Troy University. A former captain in the US Marine Corps, he worked twenty-one years as a special agent in the US Secret Service. Subsequent to retiring from the Secret Service Emmett was recruited by the Central Intelligence Agency where he worked six more years, primarily in the Directorate of Operations. Emmett is currently an adjunct professor of criminal justice and security consultant for the United States Government as well as the private sector. He lives with his family in the southeastern United States.
About my latest book, Within Arm's Length: The Extraordinary Life and Career of a Special Agent in the United States Secret Service
Dan Emmett was just eight years old when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated. The events surrounding the president's death shaped the course of young Emmett's life as he set a goal of becoming a US Secret Service agent—one of a special group of people willing to trade their lives for that of the president, if necessary.
Within Arm's Length narrates the story of Emmett's journey in this coveted job—from the application process to his retirement as assistant to the special agent in charge on the elite Presidential Protective Division (PPD). Here he discusses some of his more high-profile assignments in his twenty-one years of service, including the PPD and the Counter Assault Team where he provided arm's length protection worldwide for Presidents George Herbert Walker Bush, William Jefferson Clinton, and George W. Bush.
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"What do you want for Christmas?"
It seemed like a simple question, but neither of my children had an answer.
The interrogations started more than a month in advance. I asked, my mother asked, my sister asked, all three of us eager to get our seasonal shopping over and done with. Each time, however, we were met with blank expressions and shrugged shoulders. Somehow, my kids made it past Thanksgiving without giving any consideration to their Christmas lists.
I don't credit myself for this phenomenon; I'm as baffled by it as anyone. I did everything I could to avoid it. What's the point of letting them watch cartoons if they don't come away knowing which crappy toys they have to have?
Personally, maintaining my online wish list is a year-round hobby. It's where I put the books and CDs (those are music files that exist in three dimensions, kids) and shoes that never go far enough below retail price for me to buy myself. Lately, I've made an effort to pad the list with locally made products that support Memphis artists and wouldn't require shipping, but I have no illusions that this effort makes it better to keep an ever-expanding list of stuff I want. I don't expect to get everything on it, of course, but there's still something comforting about the process. It's like window-shopping in windows filled specifically for me. Looking at that lily-of-the-valley pendant necklace is, like, 17 percent as nice as actually wearing it.
I've tried putting the big toy catalogs that arrives with the Sunday newspaper in front of my kids and letting them get ideas from there, but that ends up being pretty useless. My daughter flips through the pages aimlessly and my son shouts, "I want that!" at everything from Beyblades to rechargeable batteries. At the end of the process, I'm still nowhere closer to practical gift ideas, but I'm a little more bitter about never having owned a Barbie RV.
After a week of cajoling, my son finally came up with something: a toothbrush that plays music. By my math, that's two small steps above a lump of coal. I'm not sure if that's his humility or guilt talking, but even on my meanest mommy days, I don't think I could give my kid a toothbrush for Christmas.
I'm a planner and a deal-hunter, so I've been at the brink of aggravation over this whole gift mystery, even with four weeks to go. Then this morning, as we were listening to the radio during my daughter's commute to school, I heard the WRVR deejays broadcasting from the Porter Leath toy drive. They were reading the wish list of a four-year-old boy. His top items? Socks and underwear. My heart broke, of course, as it was intended to do. But after that, it was filled with gratitude. Not only because my kids and I have so much, but because, at least right now, they seem to understand that.
There's still plenty of time for the ghost of Christmas Spending to visit my children this season, haunting their dreams with Furbys and gajillion-piece Lego sets. It's inevitable, really. But it's a gift to know that, at this moment, they're happy with what they have.
The WRVR Toy Truck will be parked at Bud Davis Cadillac at 5433 Poplar Ave. to accept new, unwrapped toys from 6am – 7pm through Nov. 30. Cash donations will be matched by their own Secret Santas and can be given in person or at porterleath.org. (I have no affiliation with any of these people, but since this is the organization that made me tear up most recently, it's the one I'll point out. Feel free to find your own.)
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'Fault Line' project to be exhibited at Prefix Institute of Contemporary Art, Toronto
Fault Line VI
I'm pleased to announce that Circuit Gallery at the Prefix Institute of Contemporary Art in Toronto will be exhibiting images from my Fault Line series. The exhibition will open on November 26th and continue until December 19th 2015. Also exhibiting will be Canadian photographer Eamon Mac Mahon and Christopher Bennett from the US, both also represented by Circuit Gallery. More details to follow.
Fault Line XIV (detail)
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