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Tomatoes are used for just about everything. From sandwiches to salads, nothing beats a good tomato. Lycopene is the substance in tomatoes that is responsible for that deep red color. However, you don't have to eat rich red tomatoes to get the health benefits of lycopene. Orange or tangerine tomatoes also have lycopene which according to a small preliminary test, may be better absorbed by the body.
In addition to lycopene, tomatoes have been known for its tremendous antioxidant properties. Researchers have recently found a connection between the antioxidant benefits of lycopene and bone health. The study showed the effects of removing lycopene from the diet of postmenopausal women for 4 weeks. At the end of the study, the women showed signs of elevated oxidative stress in their bones.
These women also experienced unwanted changes to their bone tissue. The study researchers concluded that the removal of lycopene from the diet will likely cause increased risk of osteoporosis. People usually associate calcium or vitamin D with bone health. Now we must include lycopene antioxidants as well. The benefits of tomatoes continue to grow.
Do Organic Tomatoes Better Lycopene Content?
Researchers have found that lycopene content in tomatoes have more to do with the type of tomato than whether it was grown organically. There are many different varieties of tomateos with the most popular being Beef Stake tomatoes. However, studies showed that even though the difference in lycopene wasn't huge they were there. Jet Star, New Girl, First Lady, and Fantastic tomatoes
have a higher average of lycopene than all other tomatoes.
So if you are shopping for tomatoes based on lycopene content, one of those should be in you shopping cart . Tomatoes have also been linked with heart health and lowering cholesterol. That's total cholesterol , LDL cholesterol, and triglycerides. Tomatoes also help prevent the clumping together of platelet cells. This is important in preventing atherosclerosis. The phytonutrients in tomatoes are what scientist are now starting to understand give us this great heart protection.
Tomatoes have in total 22 different nutrients that help it become one of the worlds super foods . Below is the list of vitamins and the percentage of daily value of each nutrient.
- Vitamin C 33%
- biotin 24%
- molybdenum 20%
- vitamin K 16%
- potassium 12%
- copper 12%
- manganese 11%
- fiber 9%
- vitamin A 8%
- vitamin B6 8%
- vitamin B3 7%
- folate 7%
- phosphorus 6%
- vitamin B1 6%
- vitamin E 6%
- magnesium 5%
- chromium 4%
- iron 3%
- zinc 3%
- choline 3%
- pantothenic acid 3%
- protein
The health benefits of tomatoes cannot be ignored. Who knew this most common fruit had this much benefit to it. Let's all try and eat more tomatoes.


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Lori A. Rossiter, 54, of rural Ewing, Mo., was called home to be with her Lord on September 23, 2017 after a long battle with cancer.
Lori was born August 29, 1963 in Quincy, Ill., a daughter of Glenn Lee and Betty Lou Smith East.
On April 21, 1990 in La Grange, Mo., she was united in marriage to her childhood sweetheart, Tim Rossiter. He survives.
Lori was a very quiet person that kept to herself. She was a very honest person that loved her Lord. She had a lot of friends that will miss her including very close friend, Pam Wolfmeyer.
Lori worked for 27 years at Blessing Hospital and Blessing Physician Services in several departments. When Lori retired because of her illness she was a Coder. Lori was a member of Dover Baptist Church.
Before her sickness she and her husband raised small animals on their small farm. She enjoyed this very much and had them all spoiled. On Sunday afternoons you could count on her cleaning one of the huts, cages or be in the shed with babies or eggs. She and Tim traveled to several states attending small animal auctions. She liked working in her garden and spent many summer days planting or pulling plants. In the evenings she could be found sitting on the front porch.
She was a very good cook and all the family gatherings were held in their home. No matter how much Mac and Cheese or Mashed Potatoes she made, there was never enough for second helpings. In the winter month's they would get together with family and play cards. She would make Chili and Taco Soup or Ham Salad Sandwiches, which was thoroughly enjoyed by everyone. According to the grandkids, she could never make enough Oreo dessert or pumpkin pie.
Survivors include her husband Tim of rural Ewing and to this union four daughter were raised, Lori's daughter, Jessica (Jeff) Mayes of Ewing, Mo; Tim's daughters, Amber (Kyle) Ray of Kahoka, Mo, Kim (Jered) Brisby of Hedrick, Iowa and Ashley (Kevin) Finch of Keokuk, Iowa. Also surviving are 12 grandchildren, Sierra and Leigha Cox, Raygan Mayes, Lane Zinnett, Malia, Michelle and Justice Finch, Annalise Smith, Jeri and Jackie Ray and Kadance and Reece Brisby; brothers in law, sisters in law, several cousins and also her four legged lap friends, Booboo, Buffy, Tucker, Della and Tabby.
She was preceded in death by her parents, her in laws, Charlie and Milly Rossiter, a sister in infancy Rhonda Kay East and several aunts and uncles.
Funeral services will be held Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 11 a.m. at the Davis Funeral Home in La Grange with Pastor Floyd Pyle officiating. Visitation was held Sept. 26 in the funeral home. Pallbearers: Denzil Prisner, James (Pogo) Mosby, Kent Spindler, Alec Rossiter, Kevin Finch and Gail Sneeden Kindhart.
Honorary Pallbearers: Mark Murphy, Mike Dill, Walter Davis, Bud Davis, Jack Curtis and Michael Prisner
Music: Chris Cunningham, organist and George and Jodi Shumate, vocalist's singing "Amazing Grace". Recorded selection: "Hallelujah"
Burial will be in Mark's Cemetery in La Grange.
The family suggests memorials be made to Blessing Foundation for Cancer Patients. Online condolences may be left at www.davis-fh.com
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Germany could defend both titels with 4:2 victories in the finals: the girls won against Brazil, the boys against Austria.
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GAME PREVIEW: San Diego and Stockton Face Off in Ninth Contest of the Season (7:00 p.m.)
San Diego enters tonight's contest with a 34-22-2-2 (72 points) record on the season. Stockton's current record is 28-27-2-2 with 60 points. The Gulls are currently 4-2-1-1 vs. the Heat. The teams last met at Valley View Casino Center on March 5, a contest resulting in a 5-4 overtime Heat victory.
In that last matchup, the first period was a busy one with a combined five goals scored. Gulls center Chris Mueller opened scoring just 56 seconds in. Turner Elson tied it up for the Heat less than two minutes later, followed by a goal from Kenney Morrison to take the lead. Mike Sgarbossa tied it up at 12:41, but Stockton winger Emile Poirier netted another for the Heat to send the Gulls to the locker room down by one.
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Officer treated and released follow bar incident
A Honea Path police officer was treated and released from Anmed Health in Anderson, after he was knocked down by people exiting Last Stop Bar and Lounge on "U" Street.
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Huge Geostrategy in the Balance — but Turkey Not Ready to be Friends with Israel Again
By all accounts, Turkey and Israel have come very close to restoring diplomatic relations — as well as business ties, strategic discussions, and perhaps even joint projects of the kind that were potent but never publicized — but Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan doesn't feel like doing it. Not yet.
Erdogan is now quoted as saying that relations cannot be normalized until Israel swears, in writing, that it is lifting "the siege" around the Gaza Strip.
Israeli officials this week had thought it would be sufficient for them to permit the food and other supplies — originally on the Mavi Marmara — to be delivered by truck to Gaza.
That was the Turkish ship — part of a protest flotilla — stopped by Israeli commandos in May of 2010: a botched raid that resulted in the deaths of 9 of the protesters (eight Turkish men and one U.S. citizen).
JTA (the former Jewish Telegraphic Agency) had reported on Monday: "Turkey and Israel are close to normalizing bilateral relations for the first time since the 2010 Mavi Marmara incident, Turkey's foreign minister said."' In the view of Turkish officials, Israel had apologized for the raid on the ship and was offering to pay millions of dollars to the familiesof the dead men.
But what really matters is what Erdogan feels like doing. He is still exploring all ways of being a hero in the Muslim world. His efforts in Egypt were rebuffed last year, when his supposed friend President Mohamed Morsi was overthrown by the Egyptian military. Erdogan is still a fairly regular visitor, and an apparently friendly one, to Iran.
In Syria — sandwiched between Turkey and Israel — chaos and bloodshed continue. Israel is far from clear as to the outcome it prefers in Syria, and it seems that Erdogan has not firmly chosen sides either. He has the extra problem of Syrian refugees who are crowding camps on the Turkish side of the border.
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Market 17
Farm Fresh Restaurant & Bar
1850 SE 17th Street Causeway
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33316
Bringing the Best of Wine Country Cuisine to South Florida
Written & Reviewed by: Grace Abel, Wine and Food Writer
Dining in a pitch black room may sound like a "first date nightmare" out of a romantic comedy movie, When in Rome to be exact, but Market 17 ventures into this unique sensory dining experience with confidence.
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We decided on a mix of starters for a light meal, as we sipped our champagne and enjoyed the relaxing patio ambiance. Soon we were enjoying Chef Daniel's Poached Farm Egg and Pork Trio, which included wild boar sausage, garlic roasted pork belly and pancetta, with a celery root puree and sunchokes. The dish was beautifully presented and the perfect tapas! The poached egg was a little over cooked to our personal taste, but Aaron and Kirsta were happy to prepare the dish over again. It was done quickly and much more to our preference.
We strategically chose a lighter dining style this evening so we could also enjoy some desserts. This was the most difficult decision, as there are multiple sugar-shock inducing options from Warm Cinnamon Monkey Bread with caramelized bananas, to a Creamsicle Fizz with house made orange soda and Papua New Gineau Vanilla Ice Cream. Finally we went for a Florida Keys favorite, Triple Layer Key Lime Mousse. The crust was made of a pistachio shortbread and the mousse fluffy with a key lime crème fraiche and custard. We paired a half glass of German Riesling with our dessert from Schloss Vollrads, at $4.50 for a 4 oz. pour. The wine had bright green apple acidity, bursting with juicy peach and apricot stone fruit nuances. This is the perfect pairing with dessert or an exotically spiced savory dish.
Market 17 is open for dinner, Tuesday through Saturday from 5 pm to 11 pm, Sunday and Monday from 5 pm to 10 pm. The starter menu ranges from $8 to $22 and entrees in petite and full size from $12 to $43. Dining in the Dark starts at $55 per person for a four course menu with the option to add additional courses for $10 each and wine pairings for $15 additional. Market 17 is located on17th Street Causeway next to Fort Lauderdale's Convention Center.
Give Kirsta and Aaron a call for information on upcoming holiday events and reservations, or go to their excellent website at www.market17.net. Make your plans to visit Market 17 soon, and tell them Grace Abel from Dinnerreviews.com© sent you!


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Under pressure from residents and police officers, Coral Gables City Manager Cathy Swanson-Rivenbark said Tuesday she is rethinking her proposed reorganization of the police department's hierarchy and may consider making Interim Chief Ed Hudak permanent.
A public meeting of city commissioners scheduled for Wednesday was canceled hours after Swanson-Rivenbark learned the city code only allows for one police chief, not two.
"The Sunshine Meeting scheduled for [Wednesday] is being canceled by Commissioner Lago because he has met with the City Manager and City Attorney, and believes the topics of the Sunshine meeting are being fully addressed," Coral Gables City Attorney Craig Leen released in a statement Tuesday night.
"The City Manager plans to meet with Interim Chief Hudak this week to discuss several issues of concern she would need addressed by him. If these issues are resolved in a manner satisfactory to the City Manager, she would appoint Mr. Hudak as Police Chief under her authority in Section 21 of the City Charter. At that point, the City Manager and Police Chief would address staff alignment to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of the department."
Swanson-Rivenbark did not disclose any details of her concerns.
Last week, Swanson-Rivenbark told commissioners that interim Police Chief Ed Hudak was slated to become chief of operations and that she planned to appoint Major Raul Pedroso as chief of criminal investigations. Assistant Chief Michael Miller would be assistant chief of administration and all three would report to her assistant city manager, Frank Fernandez, who oversees public safety.
Leen said on Tuesday morning that he had reviewed the city code and discovered that Swanson-Rivenbark's plan might be in violation of it.
"The code calls for one chief of police," Leen told the Miami Herald, adding that his analysis was done at the request of Coral Gables Mayor Jim Cason.
Hours after Leen released his opinion, Swanson-Rivenbark told the Miami Herald Editorial Board that a Sunshine meeting scheduled for Wednesday afternoon to discuss her proposed reorganization was canceled.
"What we're going to do is get all the parties to sit down and try to work this out," Swanson-Rivenbark said.
Many police officers and residents have questioned why Swanson-Rivenbark, newly appointed as city manager, would appoint both Hudak and Pedroso as co-chiefs. Both men have recently filed human-resource complaints against each other, records show.
In December, Pedroso accused Hudak of threatening to fire him. Hudak denied the allegation and said Pedroso took his remarks out of context. An investigation concluded privately with Swanson-Rivenbark.
Recently, Hudak filed a memo with human resources accusing Pedroso of insubordination. That claim is still under review.


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Reality is no more important than Fantasy.
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This should be fairly self explanatory. I will be debating that Reality and Fantasy are no more important than the other.
First Round: Our Stances and Acceptance.
Second Round: Arguements.
Third Round: Refutations.
Fourth Round: Conclusions.
Reality: That which is physically existing.
Fantasy: That which is imagined and often impossible.
I argue that our imagination, our desires and fantasies are no less important than what is phyisically real.
I do have a wee inquiry about the definitions:
If fantasy is defined as "anything imagined and often impossible" does it not include those things that are mentally concieved/appehended, but nonetheless possible? E.g., the mental apprehension of a car versus an actual car. I think the question arises to establish a clear line between the two, i.e., that even if the fantasy is realistic/possible/could happen, it is nonetheless apparent that it is not happening, and so must be assigned a fantasy.
Reality is defined as those things that are physically existing...so this includes those things are physically evidenced rather than existing? Eg., words don't exist physically but they can be heard, read or spoken and their meaning evokes changes in reality... Or Well...maybe I should allow you to contextualize their meaning in your opening....lol
Let me know what you think...
Thanks for letting me play...
Yeah I like this topic a lot too and its nice to be able to debate it. I agree with your take on the defintions of Fantasy and Reality. Reality being what we physically Know. Fantasy is basically that which is not physically there but as stated: Imagined. It could be possible but the Fantasy is not actually real.
I state that Fantasy is no less important that Reality. Our thoughts, crazy imaginations, that which is intangible but believed in, is no less important than what we know and feel.
The reasoning behind this is: Why is Reality important to begin with? What makes Reality more valuable than Fantasy? I have no answer for this, I look forward to yours. The fact I cannot come up with an answer is the reason why I have drawn up this debate.
Let us look at Reality if it was missing Fantasy. Would we be truly alive? Would Reality be Real? If mankind could not imagine, would we be any different than a rock? What separates us from animals is our ability to think in depth. Our ability to Fantasize. So if we could not do that, would we just be robotic, organisms that follow our basic instincts?
However without Reality, could Fantasy exist? If nothing physically existed, could we have something, a concept, possiblities. Could they exist? I am not sure on this. Do to the fact that I cannot draw a conclusion on whether Fantasy can be independent or not, means there is a better chance this is more viable.
To clarify, I am trying to say that if Reality had no Fantasy, there would be no point. However even with only Fantasy there would still be a point.
For example. Reality is a lot like Minecraft. You have a whole world out there, always different, unexplored. However you don't have a goal. This is where Fantasy comes in, we create our own goals, we design homes, create dungeons, explore the world. Fantasy gives the game Meaning. The actions that we do may be Reality, however the Goal, the idea to reach that Goal is what gives us Purpose. Is accomplishing the Goal important? No it isn't, because once it is accomplished you lose a Goal. It becomes Reality, however when you are still striving for it, that is when it is important. Fantasy gives Reality purpose.
This is why I argue that Reality is no more important than Fantasy.
One might say no matter what you Fantasize, it doesn't matter. However I say that is wrong. You may think that what is physically done and proven is more important than something thought up and not accomplished. But so what? I say "So what" in regards to the fact of something being done in Reality. Why does it matter if something actually happens? This goes back to my previous questions. Why does Reality Matter? Why do we care what is real? However if you imagine something, you gain hope, you gain joy, you gain purpose. It is not accomplishing an act that is important. Because what happens in Reality does not matter. Why does Progress in Reality matter? Why do Human lives have value? None of these answers lie in Reality, but our Fantasies. Why does our instinct strive to survive? Why does Survival Matter? These are all things that Reality cannot answer.
You can say that Reality gives rise to Fantasy, however do we truly know that? Do we know that Fantasy requires Reality? Some theories state: "Consciousness creates reality". "It was not possible to formulate the laws of quantum mechanics in a fully consistent way without reference to consciousness." (Eugene Wigner) What if our minds, our Fantasy gave rise to Reality?
Here are some examples: Sight, The Idea of Sight. Is it physical? No it is not. Light refraction in our eyes and creating patterns to our brain gives rise to an imaginary image of "Sight". The ability to image something in your mind, is what Sight is. We are not "seeing" the world around us, we are Feeling the light in our eyes. So do we know what Reality really looks like? No, it is created by how we perceive it. How our minds imagine it around us. Same goes for Hearing, we do not "Hear". Our eardrums feel the impacts and vibrations of the atoms in the air that we call sound. Our brain imagines what it means.
What I am getting at is, Reality is created by what we think it is. We cannot see some things and cannot feel somethings. If we cannot imagine it, it is not real. "I think, therefore I am." (René Descartes) I think there is more to this quote than meets the eye. It is literal. Me being Real does not cause me. It is my thoughts that create me.
Does Progress of Reality matter? No it does not, however Progress of our thoughts, Progress of what we can imagine. That is what matters. Fantasy gives us Goals. You would think we would run out, however Life is like a Brain Storm. With each new idea, each new Fantasy, we get a new topic. Us humans break that topic down and research every small bit of it. This may give us even more ideas and Goals. However if there was just Reality, we would be lost. Without Goal. Reality with no Fantasy would be like being a Hollow in Dark Souls. Without Goal, and yet you just are. Without thought, there is no difference between Life and Death, no difference between You and a Rock.
So what came first Reality or Fantasy. I am not sure, however the two have been intertwined and cannot exist without the other. I believe that it depends on how many people believe a certain thing. This is something that is a lot more than just a thought teaser. If Fantasy is the giver of Purpose, and Reality is the outcome of trying to reach that Destination. Maybe we could explain everything that we do not know. Like why do particles react differently when observed by a human? A study showed that when electrons were observed by a machine the eletrons acted as normal particles. However when a human was there, they acted as Waves. Maybe the beliefs of the man himself changed the outcome. There is no conclusive proof on this phenomon, basically we don't know what caused it. There are many things like this, when a bunch of people come together to Pray, Wish, Scream their Desires. Things like Miracles have been known to occur. What if the cause of the Miracle was the very fact that they believed. For example: My Parents believed with all their might that they would have a Daughter first, then two boys. And the second boy would have blue eyes. How they could know this, I don't know. But they were right. My Sister was the eldest, then my Brother and then me who had blue eyes.
Fantasy being what makes Reality explains Religion, Atheism, or any belief out there. Every Belief might be true. It just depends on how much you believe it. This might be why the Bible states that with Faith a Man can move a Mountain. Or that Anything is possible for Mankind when they come together. I understand this might be Paradoxal, such as our thoughts now create what created us. However Time is something that is Man-Made. So if we can create a system of Time, who is to say our Fantasies are not something beyond that.
However even without all of that I have said. One thing stands true. Without our Fantasy, Reality would not be what it is. Without Fantasy, Life would be not. They would be no purpose, they would be no differences. Without imagination, without thought, without Fantasy, we would not percieve the world how we do. Even when it comes to touching something, its textures, hardness, ect.... Everything about it, is just how we percieve it in our mind. Is this how Miracle where made? How the impossible was possible? Because we had Faith? Because we could Fantasize it? Bottom Line is: Reality holds no importance without Fantasy, henceforth Fantasy is no less important than Reality.
Can you Convince me why Reality is more important than Fantasy?
I too am unsure as to the purpose behind the imagination, but as this is a fun exploration, I will share my informal observations, as you have done. The best place to start is consciousness/selfhood, which originates from our realizing what we are not (as opposed to some intrinsic 'I'ness) via experience that teaches us that our instinctive motive (internal), holds no influence over the external world e.g., the mere desire for food, does not result in satiation. So I belive this is where the 'I' versus 'other' comes from, along with the realization that we must engage the 'other'/reality to preserve the self. So for me, it remains a mechanism for survival. As we have become less preoccupied with securing our immediate safety, man has been able to ruminate more which allows us to ponder questions on meaning, reality,etc., but our hardwiring retains the same end (at this point in human evolution). We have simply moved toward the preservation of our intangible selves/personality.
Let us look at Reality if it was missing Fantasy...If mankind could not imagine, would we be any different than a rock? What separates us from animals is our ability to think in depth...Fantasize. So if we could not do that, would we just be robotic organisms that follow our basic instincts? I accept the distinction that our ability to reason/rationalize (which is included in our definition of fantasy for the purpose of this debate) sets us apart. What is problematic for me is when you go on to say, "..if we could not do that, would we just be robotic," and " if Reality had no Fantasy, there would be no point," and also further down, "Reality holds no importance without Fantasy," or "...if there was just Reality, we would be lost. Without Goal...no difference between You and a Rock." But this is not, at all, the picture we get of animals and nature. There is indeed a point, as animals have specific motive. Animals are not robotic, nor are they like rocks, awaiting the external world to act upon them. They search for food, they procreate and nurture their young, and they adapt to many changes in their environment, so if we agree that this is what is separates them from man, then its seems to me that our species would indeed still have a point, i.e., survival, and as stated above survival which requires us to procure what we need from the external world (outside ourselves).
If nothing physically existed, could we have something, a concept, possiblities. Could they exist? I am not sure on this. Do to the fact that I cannot draw a conclusion on whether Fantasy can be independent or not, means there is a better chance this is more viable.
Because we have yet to verify the existence of pure consciousness, I believe the existence of a desembodied mind is improbable. Now if this is you view, then I would love to see evidence of such (I would lap it up :-), however, without proof, I find this line of inquiry to be, appropriately, just fantasy..lol. Fantasy seems independent because it does not look to reality to validate itself. Whatever we can conjure, can be entertained at length our minds, because they are abstractions, and we know they are abstractions precisely because they haven't been tied down. This is how fantasy enraptures and consumes us. However, we must also note our compulsion toward reality i.e., that however lovely the flights of fantasy, we crave their realization. This I believe, is why so many things that were once only imagined, have become a reality. It may be beautiful, but it is not real to us until we engage the outside world, until we and others can see the products of our mind out in the light of day.
Reality is a lot like Minecraft...you don't have a goal. I think there is definitely a goal in Minecraft, It is so close to what we do in reality that it seems nonexistent, but it is just tacit. We take raw materials from our environment and make our material world; it is plays/activates our survival instinct, hence its popularity. I also don't believe that goals can exist without reality. Goals are those things that we want make 'occur,' 'happen' or 'realize'. When we establish a goal, we simultaneously apprehend the possible actions and consequences required to reach the goal. These actions and consequences or cause and effect,are the rules of engagement with the real world.
You may think that what is physically done and proven is more important than something thought up and not accomplished. ...so what in regards to the fact of something being done in Reality. Why does it matter if something actually happens?... These are all things that Reality cannot answer.
So if you reject the validity of reality, then I must ask you how do we learn. Do new persectives or knowledge just crop up in our heads, or are they the product of some engagement with other people or things? I know there have been those cases where people have a perspective so unique that we are puzzled as to where the knowledge came from, but these were definitely not people stuck in a dark whole with no contact with the external world. I believe in some subjectivity of reality, but I don't believe it is wholly subjective. I say this because if reality if it were so, a person who lacks one or more senses would never come to recognize and adapt to accommodate the lack of that sense. So when you say, ...Sight, The Idea of Sight. Is it physical? No it is not...imaginary image of "Sight". I must ask you how a blind person, who can (at most) only conjure mental images, must still yield to the physical world i.e, just because he cannot see the car does not make him able to dismiss its physical presence. This is something that blind people know and adapt accordingly. If I hold an image of a car in my hand, will my perception allow me to pick up an actual car between my thumb and forefinger? This is what I mean by the anchoring of subjectivity with actions and consequences. The blind man may not even know it is a car, but he will have to reason that something is blocking his path.
Do we know that Fantasy requires Reality? Some theories state: "Consciousness creates reality". "It was not possible to formulate the laws of quantum mechanics ... without reference to consciousness." (Eugene Wigner) I don't see how this contradicts with my definition of the construction of reality. I see it as a precursor to them both. As stated above, a degree of subjectivity is not at all problematic. Total subjectivity (total mental fabrication) however, creates the question of the senses. Knowing the economical-tendencies of nature, why would we have so many sensory receptors when it was not necessary for us to survive or if we could obtain the means of sustenance from our minds, what is the point of all the knowledge we have gained via these receptors?
"I think, therefore I am."... Me being Real does not cause me. It is my thoughts that create me. The presupposition of this assertion is consciousness i.e, even before one 'thinks' to affirm his existence, he must be conscious i.e, he must be self-aware (the 'I'). Consciousness is the awareness of reality (the external world) we cannot have a self without an awareness of other. So even before 'think' he has said I which is an acknowledgement of reality.
Fantasy being what makes Reality explains Religion, Atheism, or any belief out there....Time is something that is Man-Made. So if we can create a system of Time.. I never thought that religion was the result of fantasy, but rather our rationalization to understand the world. Man makes his material world to survive,and then generalizes his 'maker' tendencies to nature. Man didn't make nature, so some greater maker, must've made man and nature. Time is also based in reality. We saw the movement of the sun/moon and the change of the seasons and measured it for practical purposes. Just because minutes and hours (increments) didn't exist does not mean that we were unaware of changes in nature over time...
You state that without Fantasy we would still have the instinctual desire to survive. Tell me, what makes this desire to survive? What makes us have this instinct? Where does it come from? Freud argued it came from our desire of Pleasure vs Pain and our desire to Reproduce so the species as a whole would survive. However this is circiual thinking as he is stating we want to survive because we want others to survive. So why does instinct want to survive? Why would Evolution form to survive? Unless there was some sort of conscious desire and Fantasical thoughts that gave us purpose? So I still agrue that without Fantasy we would be without Purpose, in fact even the animals would. You make a point that animals are not robotic, and that is because they follow their instincts. So what made these instincts? Why does Instinct want? You see Instinct is something that drives us, but what is the engine for that? Again it is only our thoughts that power this, instinct is strong within us all because we all believe it so much. It is something almost everyone believes, and in a sense it is a self fulfilling prophesy.
An example of people escaping or lessening the affects of Instinct by their pure belief and thought patterns are Buddist Monks.
"Buddhist monks have long been admired for their emotional control, and a previous MIT conference participant, Paul Ekman, PhD, a psychology professor at the University of California, San Francisco School of Medicine, thinks exploration of this skill may help psychologists better understand ways people can deal with unpleasant emotions." (Richard Davidson). Buddist Monks are striving for a complete stable form of Nirvana. Basically the attempt to fade away into nothingness. Monks are known for many odd and amazing feats, such as a Three Inch Punch doing damage equal to two 130 mile per hour cars crashing into each other. Or pulling a bus full of people by their ear, or crouch; Yes that happened, he was nicknamed the "Iron Crouch". I understand these things don't prove my point. However it is apparent that the mind has power over reality.
As for the requirement for "I"-ness, When he said "I think, therefore I am" He does indeed state "I" first. You would assume this means he is acknowledging he is physically real. However not only would this defeat the point of the rest of his quote but stating that he is "I" could also be refering to his mental self. The him that is not physically there. "I" (Nonphysically) think, therefore "I" (Physically) am. Let us ask the speaker of the Quote? "I supposed that all the objects (presentations) that had ever entered into my mind when awake, had in them no more truth than the illusions of my dreams." It seems his quote very well meant what I had intended for it. That what we see and the images of this world or no more important than what we dream and create in our minds of our own will.
As for the validty of Reality. It is neither useless nor important. Why is this? Because in Reality we still can create our own purpose using our Fantasies. However again without this ability to Fantasize, we would be simply pointless. Even instinct has a Fantasical idea behind it. Animals can indeed think, they may not be able to think in depth, but we all know that dogs dream and run in their sleep. Animals can dream. Hence animals also can Fantasize. It was wrong of me to compare a human without Fantasy to an animal. Because we all can dream. So without Fantasy we would most likely all die off. Because their would be no purpose, nor even the desire to survive. It begs the question of whether Reality would even exist. If no one could experince or imagine, or even think about reality or themself. Would it really be there? Is it not just a colletive mass of our thoughts together? We gain thoughts by like I said, other peoples thoughts. We are like a Brain Storm, we continuosly give each other new idea and topics. How do we do this? Well techincally, I say something or do something, then someone else is mind perceive what I have done and they image it in their head and then learn it.
"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness." – Max Planck, theoretical physicist who originated quantum theory, which won him the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918
As for a Blind Man, his reality is greatly different from our, however you missed the part where I went on with the same explanation for every sense. Hearing, Touch, Taste, Smell, Sight. A Blind man is missing Sight, but may be able to Hear, Taste, Smell, Touch. Hence he can still perceive Reality with his mind. Infact Reality would be greatly dependent on those things. In fact by being blind the lose a part of Reality, Light. They cannot see light and lose its reality. However it is still there and can affect us all because so many do see it. However for someone completely brain dead, with no senses. For them, there would be no Reality. They would most likely be in a state of absolute nothingness.
As for you imaging a car to pick up. If enough people believed that strong enough, than it may very well happen. Who knows maybe you would be able to end up seeing something and feeling something like a car that you imagine. However you may be classifyed as delusional. However many people do believe so strongly about things that it consumes them. It traps them and they can't even escape their own mind. This is where I believe Reality is Subjective. It is in a sense like a Video Game when it Lags. One person is moving from Point A to Point B, however everyone else sees him still at Point A. We don't see the person in the reality they are in, however there mind could be taking them anywhere, and what is in their mind is no less real than what is truly real.
Now for a example of either a God, or my idea, or Both. The Miracle of the Sun. For some reason not matter know of this. However the 13th of October 1917. Over 100,000 people, news reporters and all, had come to Fatima Portugal. They went there for a simply reason, three shepards had told them that a Miracle would occur. These 100,000 people all greatly believed this would happen and waited. Ten miniutes after they had arrived it occured. "According to many witnesses, after a period of rain, the dark clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disc in the sky. It was said to be significantly duller than normal, and to cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds. The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth before zig-zagging back to its normal position. Witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became "suddenly and completely dry, as well as the wet and muddy ground that had been previously soaked because of the rain that had been falling"." That does sound normal to me at all... I mean the Sun zig zagging across the Sky, ect... Those don't seem like things Reality can do. However there was 100,000 people there who believed a Miracle would occur. What happened? A Miracle. You could claim this is a case of Mass hysteria. However Mass Hysteria or not, these thoughts had come together and changed reality for what is was. So yes, if you believed strong enough and with enough people, I do believe you could create a car that you could pick up with your fingers.
P.S (I want to just say, I am not against Religion in anyway. In fact I personally believe in a God, and using the theory here, I can sorta explain how a God could have created us.)
You stated that our abilty to fantasize gave us purpose, that this purpose set us apart from the animals. I countered by saying that animals do have purpose even though they lack this ability to fantasize...lol
So then you say, "what made the animal instincts?" Well it is not the ability to fantasize, as we have just agreed that this jis is the very thing that sets us apart? Are you now saying that animals reason(fantasy) too.
I do not have to account for the motivation behind nature. The argument states that fantasy is just as important as reality, because without it reality would be barren of purpose, but the reality that we witness every day, is that animals and other forns of nature demonstrate the motive to survive without the ability to fantasize. So it is not the case that the lack of fantasy turns all life into action-less objects. This is where we are now. Lol
As far as the Decartes quote, I will say that all statements or claims have presuppositions. You cannot have an 'I' without self awareness, be it mental or physical, and you cannot have an awareness of self without an awareness of 'other' i.e., what you are not. So what the consciousness that arises from our awareness of self is not even the simultaneous awareness of reality, we build the 'I' through learning what we cannot control. This is the development of the personality. The fantasy (reason) arises out if our need to rationalize these two contraries (what i am/want vs. what reality permits). I learn that I must act or engage this realty through experience. Actions produce reactions desired and undesired. I adapt/change to survive. Thats all...
I understand and actually believe that there is there is more to discover about the capabilities of the mind (our non-physical self) but you cannot rationally make the leap beyond what you know to be true. The examples you give may be true, but can you really take possible exceptions to the rule and apply them to life as a whole, when it is evident that we are still subject to the laws of reality. Also, these individuals even with their increased influence, are still engaging reality, they are not (or haven't as of yet), wholly dismissed reality,as you propose...lol
Ok to summarize my debate:
Reality is no more important than Fantasy. I state this due to the following reasons.
Firstly, Fantasy gives us purpose. Con stated that without Fantasy we would still have the purpose of surviving. However I argue that is neither a purpose, nor is it logical to propose that we just want to survive without explaining WHY we want to survive. Con stated, "This is the development of the personality. The fantasy (reason) arises out if our need to rationalize these two contraries (what i am/want vs. what reality permits). I learn that I must act or engage this realty through experience. Actions produce reactions desired and undesired. I adapt/change to survive. Thats all..." However he does not explain WHY we want to survive. The bottom desire of Survival that allows us to adapt and change is also born from Fantasy. Reality could care less whether it survived or not, Reality has no purpose without Fantasy. We adapt and change not because of Reality, but because of ourselves.
Secondly, Decartes Quote, "I think, therefore I am." Con claims that we must be aware of the "other" before we are aware of ourselves. However awareness can only be possible if we recognize "I" first. How could I become aware of anything If I was not aware of my self. When a Baby is born, is it aware of its surroundings? It can feel and see them but cannot understand it. However what it is aware of, and what it truly understands is itself. I agrue you can have awareness of Self without being aware of "other" because when it comes down to it, the only thing we ever can understand is ourselves. We are all only aware of who we are, but for the "other" we know nothing but what WE percieve of it. Again when becoming "aware" of the "other" we can only know there is an "other" because we are aware of ourselves.
Thirdly, I would like to address that I do think that animals can also think and be aware of themselves. I believe Fantasy also applies to them, so I take back when I stated humans would be like animals if we lost our ability to Fantasize. Animals do Fantasize, they dream, they desire, they get curious, they learn, they feel, Animals are alive because they can Fantasize. However I remain saying that we would be no different from a lifeless robot. Or something along those lines. It may very well be possible we would not exist at all if we could not percieve.
This brings us to my Fourth Reason. Even Quantum Scientist agree with this. In fact, as I have stated before, the very man who developed Quatum Mechanics stated, "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything we regard as existing, postulates consciousness." - Mac Planck. (He also helped in the theoratical particle, Planck particles.) Let us break down this quote. He states he regards consciousness as Fundamental. Fundamental means: forming a necessary base or core; of central importance. It can also mean a central or primary rule or principle on which something is based. So Consciousness is what is necessary to be the First of which everything else is built upon. He then states Matter is Derivative from consciousness. Derivative means: something that is based on another source. So Matter came from Consciouness. Or better worded: Reality is a construct of Fantasy.
Fifthly, Everything that is just down right impossible! From Statues crying tears for 6 years, from Doves appearing out of the air and curing sickness, to the Sun moving in zig zags across the sky. Or even just any Supernatural phonemon. So many people have seen these and claimed it, it would be mad to say they were false. However everything that would be impossible but became possible can be easily explained by our Consciousness. We not only imagined these things, but the strong belief and number of people believing made this possible. You may say my explanation is impossible and pure assertion, HOWEVER look back to what Max Planck had said. Matter is Derivative of Conscious. If that was true in the past, why can't it still be true?
Overall, I say that our goals and dreams that we create for ourselves are just as important as the world we are living in. The Fantasies we have are just as Reality we percieve. I almost would go as far to say Fantasy is more important than Reality for one simple reason. You cannot have Reality without Fantasy, but you can have Fantasy without Reality. This seems like it should be just the opposite, however we know Conscious is the true base of Reality. Reality is the offspring of Fantasy. If we just had Reality then they would be no point and no one to percieve it nor to think about it. So Reality would in essence not exist.
As stated by psychologist Morty Lefkoe "But what allows any thing—a hand, a chair, or any other object—to exist? One way to discover the answer is to imagine a specific thing—say, your hand—expanding and expanding until there is nothing in the universe except the hand. What would happen to it? … Really, just take a moment and try this. You'll be amazed at your experience … You wouldn't see the hand anymore, would you? Why? … It would disappear because there would be nothing in the universe that was not the hand. This is a very basic concept about reality: In order for anything to exist, there must also be not that thing." He then states,
"Consider this for a moment. Can you see that any physical object is bounded by "not that object"? If an object did not have any borders—that is, if it wasn't surrounded by "not that object"—it couldn't be distinguished from everything else. In other words, it wouldn't exist."
Below is the summary of how I have demonstrated that Pro has not satisfied the Bop for his claim that " Reality is no more important than fantasy."
Pro's warrants his dismissal of reality by demonstrating that in order to answer any question about the nature of reality, fantasy must be applied because reality cannot supply such answers.
What Pro does not acknowledge is that the questions themselves presuppose that there is something there to be apprehended, or else the questions would never have arisen.
So Pro continues to belabor under this misconception, which leads him to conclude that without fantasy (that which enables us to ponder these meanings) there would be no point to reality.
This leads to the haphazard conclusion that without fantasy, we would be robotic organisms, i.e., animals who follow basic instincts while also specifying that they do not have the ability to reason (a capability that sets humans apart). He delves even further into this misguided conception and claims, worse still, that this lack of fantasy would make us no different from rocks.
My response was that this is not true because despite lacking this fantasy animals still demonstrate motive or goals...and that nothing about nature is robotic. That they display an array of diverse motives via purposeful actions, so if animals are not rock-like (action-less) without fantasy, it is inconsistent to conclude that we would be (without some other proof, of course...lol).
The second example he gives misconstrues the concept/function of goals, saying that fantasy alone is what establishes goals.
Although goals must be conceived by the mind, a goal is something that we want realized, i.e., a result, change or occurrence. So goals cannot be separated from reality, because their apprehension necessitates the acknowledgment of a future outcome (consequence), and engagement (actions) with reality in order to be realized.
Dismissing a response to my queries/concerns, Pro simply asks, the 'original why' questions, e.g., "what makes this desire to survive? What makes us have this instinct? Where does it come from? So why does instinct want to survive? Why would Evolution form to survive? what makes the motive, or instincts?". A fallacious attempt to further his warrant by assuming that if we don't know the answers, we must accept the proposed one, instead of offering proof.
He reaches even further, positing that fantasy could even exist independent of reality (pure consciousness). Which is falsely concluding that because it can be employed to find meaning within reality, it must be the meaning/origin behind reality.
Moreover, the origin of the motives behind nature is tangential to this debate. We have within our grasp, both the functional concepts of reality and fantasy. Reality is what exists, and fantasy, per our agreed defintion, is our non-physical perception of it. So, determining which is more important does not require the origin of nature or reality.
Pro also uses quotes (sources) without realizing the tacit acknowledgements inherent in them:
Descartes' " I think therefore I am"
Consciousness creates reality". "It was not possible to formulate the laws of quantum mechanics ... without reference to conscious
Consciousness, as I have said since the onset, is the awareness of self i.e., the 'I'. We cannot apprehend the self, without apprehending what the self is not, or other, or external world i.e., reality. The quotes on consciousness or the awareness of such, presupposes an awareness of reality (the other). I don't know why this reasoning seems so foriegn to Pro, especially as he has posted the quotes that assert precisely that in his closing argument..lol.
"Consider this for a moment. Can you see that any physical object is bounded by "not that object"? If an object did not have any borders"that is, if it wasn"t surrounded by "not that object""it couldn"t be distinguished from everything else. In other words, it wouldn"t exist."
So if we must have this contrasting /negating process to define our world (internal and external), how can we have ever come to ascertain the self without recognition of other? This is why fantasy cannot supersede reality.
Pro however, has not answered this...
Also I find reality versus fantasy to be a false dichotomy, because he defines it as the perception of reality, and that perception has real world consequences, so it is not the opposite but a complement. There is no way outside of consciousness because there is no way outside/opposite of reality (which would be nonexistence), because it would have to present itself in order to stand in contrast, but then it too, by definition, would exist. Lol
It was fun while to lasted...
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Also no one said this was your fantasy, this could be all of ours. In fact enough people believe that the world is the way it is with laws of physics and we can prove these. However many believe in the supernatural and which comes forth the things science can't explain.
What characteristics does Reality really have? The only things you can name are the things you can comprehend. And maybe that is all there is in the world. However for someone who can list other things will have a different view and experience of Reality. So yes, I do believe that with enough belief and enough people believing it, you could do things known as Scientifically impossible, because those laws we also just something that people believe in.
Reality also has the characteristic of continuity. A fantasy has the quality of temporary existence. We know a fantasy is a fantasy because we snap back to reality and come to the realization that it is no more. If I were in jail in a fantasy, I would know it was a fantasy by waking up and realizing I am no longer in jail. In reality I stay locked up. Reality has consequences that don't evaporate. They permeate through time and the environment effecting the future.
Reality has laws of nature that we can not break with our volition. In a fantasy, there wouldn't be any consistent laws that govern existence. There would be no way to have scientific discovery because nothing would be consistent in accordance with any predictable laws of nature. If this fantasy is MY fantasy, wouldn't I be able to alter the laws of this fantasy by my will?
If existence it just a fantasy, then who is having that fantasy? And where is that person now having this fantasy? Wouldn't they exist in a realm that is not in this fantasy?
However, the importance of reality is that it serve as a common language. My view of reality could be different from yours, but there are parts that are in common.
People hold on to the common part of reality so that they can share and enjoy their experiences together. Reality and Fantasy are not mutually exclusive but exist as a continuum.
You move toward this common experience as you pursue reality. You move away from common experience as you pursue fantasy. We can move ideas from fantasy into reality by sharing it with others.
For example, Harry Potter is undoubtedly a fantasy in the authors head, but the fantasy became more tangible and have real impact to the world after it was shared and accepted by people around the world.
We are a social animal, and we enjoy experiencing our life with people around, although what we perceive as reality could really be a figment of imagination in our mind. However, it is our pursue of the reality that let us enjoy this figment of imagination together... and this is probably an important part of what life is about.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.
Such as Thought, Can a Thought actually exist? Many theories about this but nothing factual. Our thoughts are made by chemical reactions and electrical currents however the notion idea, in of itself, the Thought does not exist.


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25th President of the United States, 1897-1901
Pictured on the 25¢ US postage stamp in the Presidential Series, issued 2 December 1938.
Pictured on a US 7¢ regular-issue postage stamp issued 1 May 1923.
Pictured on a 5¢ US postage stamp issued 30 April 1904, as part of the Louisiana Purchase Exposition series.
The last Civil War veteran to be elected President.
U.S. Representative, 1877-1883, 1885-1891.
Governor of Ohio, 1892-1896.
Many of McKinley's advisers and aides did everything they could to keep his bodyguards on their toes, not for fear of his safety but because they feared Theodore Roosevelt gaining the office.
McKinley was the third US President to be assassinated. He was killed in September of 1901 by Leon Czolgosz at the Pan-American Exposition in Buffalo, New York. McKinley was greeting visitors who were in line to meet him when Czolgosz approached him with a bandage on his hand. Inside the bandage was a pistol and he shot McKinley twice in the stomach. McKinley died of his wounds eight days later. Czolgosz claimed that the government was evil and sick and should be dismantled from the top down. He was tried, convicted and executed in the electric chair.
Had two daughters who died as children.
Obtained the rank of brevet major during the Civil War, being promoted by General (and future President) Rutherford B. Hayes. He was the last veteran of the Civil War to become president of the United States.
Third president to be successfully assassinated (an attempt on President Andrew Jackson's life failed) and the fifth president to die in office.
His portrait graced the $500 bill in the Series of 1928 and 1934, the latter being the last series of denominations over $100 printed by the United States. Although they hadn't been printed for many years, bills over $100 were officially discontinued by the U.S. Treasury in 1969, and the McKinley $500 bill stopped circulating.
When he died in 1901, he left the bulk of his estate, valued at $200,000 to his wife Ida. He provided a $1,000 lifetime annuity to his mother, but since she had already died, it passed to his sister Helen.
Has a street named after him in Buffalo, New York, McKinley Ave.
McKinley Street in Hollywood, Florida was named for him. It is located between Cleveland Street (for President Grover Cleveland) and Roosevelt Street (for President Theodore Roosevelt), in the same order in which they served as President of the United States.


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Dr. John YoungYoung Foundational Health Center
Practice Summary/About the Practice:
At Young Foundational Health Center, we work from the foundation up. Instead of repairing the "cracks in the wall" or merely treating the symptoms, we aim at the root of the problem. By targeting the cell membrane and the immune system, we improve the overall health of the patient.
Medical researchers worldwide agree that our ability to achieve optimal health begins and ends with our cellular foundation. To that end, Dr. John Young, M.D. and Young Foundational Health Center have incorporated the latest biochemical, physiological, nutraceutical technologies and protocols into a program designed to address the causes of many chronic illnesses. Building on the work of giants in the medical field such as Kauffman, Klenner and Meyers, and research conducted at Yale, Stanford, Duke and Johns Hopkins Universities, Dr. Young has combined this early work with current understanding and Nobel Prize winning research to develop a system of the best known strategies for achieving proper cellular health and function. The result is a science-based, reliable and effective way to approach chronic conditions. This combined with preventative therapies and nutritional education, provides patients with systemic, effective protocols for achieving the promotion and maintenance of a healthy lifestyle. Our methods promote the development of a healthy and properly functioning immune system.
Dr. Young and Young Foundational Health Center can consult with you on the health needs of you and your family, review your medical history and develop a plan focusing on your natural, nutritional needs, enabling your body to be restored and operate at peak performance.
Dr. John Young has a bachelor's degree in Political Science, a Master's Degree in Public Administration, and is an MD with a residency in Family Practice. He has been an E.R. physician for more than 15 years. He also has a private practice that specializes in the treatment of chronic and genetic diseases. Click here to view Dr. Young's full resume.
Dr. Young speaks extensively on the use of basic physiology and biochemistry to treat chronic diseases. John has made international presentations for a pharmaceutical company on the use of anti-microbials in the treatment of infectious diseases in the emergency room. He has been a consultant for various provincial administrations and private corporations in the republic of South Africa on the treatment and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases. He did some of the first studies for 3M on the use of a polymer membrane and its use in the treatment of second and third degree burns. He did the early studies for a major US university on the use of cold lasers in the treatment of chronic wounds.
To read Dr. Young's articles dealing with various health-related topics, please visit the Young Foundational Health Center Resource Library.
Dr. Young holds three US patents: one for the healing of dermal lesions, one for a way to destroy fungi, and one for a way to destroy bacteria in a unique way. His ongoing research has led to many innovative products being used around the world.
Areas of Practice:
Nutritional Education
Ozone Therapy
Chelation and IV therapy
Special needs
Special testing
Chronic Disease
Bioidentical Hormone Therapy
We have achieved positive results with the following conditions:
• Arthritis
• Asthma, Emphysema & C.O.P.D.
• Autoimmune Disorder
• Cardiovascular Disease
• Cerebral Palsy
• Chronic Fatigue
• Crohn's Disease, Irritable Bowel Syndrome & Ulcerative Colitis
• Depression
• Diabetes
• Heart Failure
• Hypertension
• Neuropathy
• Fibromyalgia
• Psoriasis
Andre Young-Snell MBBSThe Vision of Hope Clinic
Dr Andre Young Snell M.B.B.S.
Dr Young-Snell qualified in conventional medicine over fifteen years ago. He trained at Guy's Hospital Medical School in London. After much deliberation, he decided to set up his own clinic so he could specialise in Metabolic Protocol.
He has covered many fields in his medical career at some of the UK's top hospitals. The list includes Addenbrookes, Whipps Cross, Barts, Brighton and Guys, all of which contain world-class surgeons and doctors.
Dr Young-Snell has had a thorough grounding in all aspects of medicine, including tumour care, general medicine and surgery. Throughout his career as a 'conventional' doctor he has headed top hospital emergency teams, taught and provided guidance to junior doctors, run clinics, deciphered and coordinated patient management and, when time allowed, provided NHS hospital locums.
Dr Young-Snell's unique personality and patient rapport, alongside his medical experience and knowledge, make this clinic one of the most open and honest in the country.
The Vision of Hope Clinic is a nutritional clinic situated in the beautiful seaside city of Brighton. Our small but highly experienced team comprises:
Dr Andre Young-Snell – Doctor
Kirsten Chick – Natural Nutritionist
Carrie Harris Life Coach, Hypnotherapist, NLP, EFT, Meditation and Louise Hay Teacher
Such disciplines hold a vital role in the healing process of the patient. Patients are affected not only physically by their condition, but also mentally, emotionally and spiritually. By acting upon all of these areas, we are able to offer a unique healing environment by providing the care each patient needs.
We offer support on many levels, from goalsetting and hypnotherapy to yoga and a place to come and stay, as if on holiday or retreat. Cookery demonstrations can also be arranged for those needing more inspiration in the kitchen, and there are regular talks on nutrition. See above and/or contact the clinic for more information.
Metabolic Protocol
The Vision of Hope Clinic specialises in Metabolic Protocol, a nutritional approach to wellbeing. Research has shown that many of today's serious disorders are related with dysfunctional diet and the way the body processes what we put into it.
The Vision of Hope Clinic offers the latest non-toxic, metabolic protocols.
Nutrition has been the subject of some of the most successful research with regards to chronic disease. We model our clinic on such research and studies to obtain the tremendous results of similar clinics across the world, and receive patients with a wide variety of conditions and illnesses.
Ozone and Hyperthermia (FIR Sauna)
The Vision of Hope Clinic offers Ozone and Hyperthermia (FIR sauna) sessions, both separately and combined.
Please click here for more information.
Liposomal Vitamin C
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The Clinic
This clinic is all on the ground floor, with a spacious reception and waiting area, a consultation room, and a comfortable relaxation room looking out onto a beautiful garden, which contributes to the calm and restful atmosphere.
There is off road parking for several vehicles, a bus stop close by and a park within walking distance. The clinic is situated on Dyke Road, with easy access by car or bus to central Brighton, the seafront and the Downs.
Getting to Brighton is simple whether by rail, road, sea or air.
By Road:
1. From London and Gatwick travel down the M23/A23 past the stone pillars marking he Brighton boundary. Follow signs for the A27 to Hove and Worthing.
2. From the A27 take the Devils Dyke exit to Hove.
3. At the roundabout take the 2nd exit into Dyke Road Avenue.
4. Continue along Dyke Road Avenue which merges into Dyke Road
5. Number 332 Dyke Road is on the left hand side of the road opposite Woodruff Avenue. A VISION OF HOPE plaque is on the outside of the clinic facing the road
By Rail:
Brighton has excellent rail links from all over the country.
A fast and frequent train service operates from London Victoria to Brighton station. The journey takes about 55 minutes. The clinic is about 3 minutes from Brighton station where taxis are readily available.
Preston Park station is 1mile away from the clinic.
Hove station is 4 miles away from the clinic.
For all rail enquiries please telephone 08457 48 49 50 (National Rail Enquiries) or see Railtrack (http://www.railtrack.co.uk).
By Coach:
National Express – telephone 08705 808080
Jet Link – telephone 08705 757747
They both share the web site: http://www.gobycoach.com
By Air:
London's Gatwick Airport is connected by direct train to Brighton station. The journey from the airport either by car or by train takes about 30 minutes. In addition, London Stansted, London City Airport and Heathrow are all less than two hours away.
By Sea:
Hoverseed (http://www.hoverspeed.co.uk) operates a two hour Seacat service between Dieppe and Newhaven. There are sailings daily the during peak season, plus a weekly, year round classic ferry service with Transmanche Ferries (http://www.transmancheferries.com). Brighton is approximately 25 minutes by road or rail from Newhaven. The Channel Tunnel (http://www.eurotunnel.com) and other major ports e.g. Dover, Folkestone, Portsmouth and Southampton – are between one and two hours away by motorway.
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I arrived at the Gothic Theatre on Tuesday night anxious and excited. I've listened to Vance Joy's record at least a dozen times since its release and was curious to see how it translated into a live setting - a difficult task for many in the singer/songwriter genre. The quiet, thoughtful lyrics of songs like "Georgia" and "Best That I Can" bolstered my faith in the Australian-born James Keogh, but like your first time seeing any act live, I still felt unsure of what was to come. As the lights dimmed and the show began, the crowd erupted, masking the opening chords of "From Afar". The show moved incredibly fast from that point on, with Keogh and his band cutting into "Mess Is Mine" by track 5, "Georgia" by track 8, and "Riptide" by track 11.
And then it was over.
Just like that.
I watched the band walk off stage after their 60-minute set, and I couldn't quite place my emotions. The show had happened - it was over, no encore to be had - yet I'd barely been drawn into the emotions of the set. Keogh took little time to dally or talk with the crowd which certainly played a part in it's speediness, but that wasn't quite it. There was something just...missing. I wasn't the only one who seemed to feel this way, as the entire room seemed a bit confused when the house music came on and the crew began disassembling the stage despite their cries for "one more song".
It took me until I got home to finally place it the exact reason for my feelings, but once I realized it, it was hard to ignore. The band had simply played the record. Maybe not in the same order, and maybe not the whole thing (a whopping two songs were skipped), but there was nothing that set apart this performance from me sitting down and listening to the album at home on my couch. Sure, Keogh's voice sounded spot on, and sure, the band sounded good, but live performances are meant to allow the musician to dig deeper, present another part of themselves to their fans to help grow the emotional bond one has with the music into a bond with the musician themselves. I left the show that night with as much of a connection to Vance Joy as I had arrived with...nothing had changed, and that felt disappointing.
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