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There are numerous side characters that populate the world of Nintendogs and Nintendogs + Cats.
Humans (Nintendogs)Edit
These humans were introduced in Nintendogs.
- "When I first got a dog, I didn't know squat. My care books taught me all about care and training, though."
- — Adam's advice (US), Nintendogs
Adam is the owner of Bear the Miniature Schnauzer.
- "Oh, wow! A beagle! You know, all puppies should be this size."
- — Alan's comment on the player's dog (US), Nintendogs
Alan is the owner of Butters the Labrador Retriever.
- "No matter how selfish a puppy may seem, if you treat it well, eventually it'll warm up to you. Trust me."
- — Ann's advice (US), Nintendogs
Ann is the owner of Murphy the Chihuahua.
- "After I trainer my dog to lie down over and over again, Trouble can lie down for a really long time now!"
- — Arnie conversing with the player (US), Nintendogs
Arnie is the owner of Trouble the German Shepherd.
- "Looks like you have a pretty smart Yorkie there. I bet it could do well in obedience trials."
- — Audrey conversing with the player (US), Nintendogs
Audrey is the owner of Eclair the Shiba Inu.
- "If you give a good tug on your dog's leash when you're out walking, you can get it to run alongside you."
- — Billy's advice (US), Nintendogs
Billy is the owner of Aster the Dachshund. Billy often gives out advice no matter how many Trainer Points the player has.
- "Oh, wow! A shiba inu! You know, all puppies should be this size."
- — Chelsea commenting on the player's dog (US), Nintendogs
Carmen is the owner of Chelsea the Miniature Pinscher.
Emily is the owner of Coby the Chihuahua. Unlike most characters, Emily calls the player's pets by their actual names instead of their breed's name.
"(Dog name) is so cute! I've gotta say, everyone in the neighbourhood is impressed with him/her."
"(Dog name) just completely adores you! But he/she won't come anywhere near me..."
"What is wrong with you?! I saw what you did! We owners clean up after our dogs, you ingrate!"
"When your dog's feeling tired, it won't bring you presents. Instead, it may look for trash to snack on."
"Wow, (Dog name) completely adores you. That's so terrific!"
"Ew! When was the last time you gave your dog a bath? You need to give the poor, old thing a shower!"
"Oh, that is just adorable! Look at how attached to you that your puppy is! You must be a pretty good trainer."
"Just between you and me, I heard that sometimes Archie Hubbs nibbles on dog treats. What a loon!"
"I found out that the more I walk my dog, the more my stanima builds up! We go for walks all around town now!"
"Oh my gosh! Is your dog okay? I don't think so. Your dog needs to be fed something."
Erik is the owner of Nugget the Shiba Inu.
Erik takes the fact of taking care and training his dog very seriously. When someone neglects to feed, clean, or pick up your dog's poop, he has certain stern words for the player.
Erik and Nugget only appear in the Nintendogs: Dachshund and Friends version. Nugget is not very nice, causing your dog to fight with him. To make friends with Nugget, you'll have to have a dog with the same personality or you will have to take your dog on a walk the proper way. Nugget can be found at the parks only at nighttime and midnight, along with Tim's corgi, Deacon. Nugget will often fight your dog, and if you abuse Nugget, your trainer points (and Erik's) will decrease.
- "When I first got a dog, I didn't know squat. My care books taught me all about care and training, though."
- — Jack's advice (US), Nintendogs
Jack is the owner of Wanda the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel.
- "Oh, wow! A sheltie! You know, all puppies should be this size."
- — John conversing with the player (US), Nintendogs
John is the owner of Sasha the Pembroke Welsh Corgi.
John is a pet owner. John is very warm and friendly, and gives out advice on cleaning your dog. He doesn't like it when your dog is dirty or if you forget to clean your poop up. He wishes for a Designer Condo house.
- "It's fun to see the effect that food can have on a dog. And not just food either, but the TIMING of the feeding."
- — Maria's advice (US), Nintendogs
Maria is the owner of Petey the Schnauzer.
- "When you're trying to teach one dog a new trick, it's vital to be sure that dog is the only one you're looking at."
- — Matthew's advice (US), Nintendogs
Matthew is the owner of Rusty the Yorkshire Terrier.
- "Looks like you have a pretty smart Yorkie there. I bet it could do well in obedience trials."
- — Meghan's comments on the player's dogs (US), Nintendogs
Meghan is the owner of Charlie the Shih Tzu.
- "If you want to practice for the disc competition at the park, make sure there aren't any other dogs there first."
- — Meimei's advice (US), Nintendogs
Meimei is the owner of Angel the Miniature Pinscher.
Morgan is the owner of Casey the Shih Tzu.
Morgan is a pet owner who appears in Nintendogs. Like her dog Casey, she is quite unfriendly, though occasionally she will give the player advice instead of the usual sarcasm. On rare occasions, if she entered Casey in a contest that the trainer entered in, she will say that she was there, too.
- "That looks like a really smart shiba inu. You know, it just might be championship caliber!"
- — Ted conversing with the player (US), Nintendogs
Ted is the owner of Sammy the poodle.
- "My little Poppi dances whenever I play my record player. Isn't that the cutest thing ever?"
- — Tom conversing with the player (US), Nintendogs
Tom is the owner of Poppi the Black Labrador.
Humans (Nintendogs + Cats)Edit
Ally (also known as Liz) is the owner of Benny the Boxer.
Carmen (also known as Tanya) is the owner of Max the Pembroke Welsh Corgi.
She has tan skin with long, wavy brown hair and black eyes. Carmen dons a short-sleeved purple shirt over a white top, with white capris and purple shoes.
Connor (also known as Adriano in PAL) is the owner of Rex the German Shepherd.
Connor has black spiky hair, black eyes, tan skin, and an upturned nose. He dons a short-sleeve yellow shirt with long white pants and yellow shoes.
Grace (also known as Alexandra) is the owner of Stella the Bull Terrier.
Grace has short red hair with short bangs, black glasses over black eyes, heavy makeup, and light skin. She dons a short-sleeve brown shirt over a white top with white capris and brown shoes.
Jacob (also known as Alfredo in PAL) is the owner of Rebel the Chihuahua.
Jacob has short neat brown/black hair with light skin and a big nose. He dons a brown short-sleeved shirt, white pants, and white-brown shoes.
Joe (also known as Bob) is the owner of Loulou the Dachshund.
Kate (also known as Paula for PAL, JP: カオル Carol) is the owner of Buddy the Harlequin Great Dane.
Kate has long black hair with parted bangs, brown eyebrows, black eyes, an upturned nose, and beige skin. She dons a short-sleeved gray shirt over a white top with white capris and gray flats.
Kenji (also known as Alberto) is the owner of Lucky the Shiba Inu.
Kenji has short black hair hidden under a red beanie, with dark brown skin, a black mustache, a black goatee, and black eyes. He dons a short-sleeved red shirt with white pants and red shoes.
Marie is the owner of Lily the Dalmatian.
Marie has dark skin, black eyes, brown eyebrows, black hair, and always wears a scowl on her face. She dons a short-sleeved red shirt over a white top with white capris and red flats.
Mina (also known as Roberta in PAL) is the owner of Chibi the Pomeranian. She also sometimes mentions that she has a cat at home.
Mina looks older than most other neighbors, with many wrinkles seen on her face. She also has short gray hair, black eyes, a small smile, and light skin. She dons a light green short-sleeved shirt over a white top with white capris and green flats.
Noah (also known as Krill in the (PAL)) is the owner of Pepper the Shetland Sheepdog.
Noah has light skin, short blonde hair, a big nose, and beige skin. He dons a short-sleeved green T-shirt with white pants and dual-colored white-green shoes.
Richard (also known as Peter in PAL) is the owner of Sasha the Siberian Husky.
Richard has light skin, heavy-lidded eyes, a cat smile, and spiky brown hair. He dons a blue short-sleeved shirt with white pants and dual-colored white-blue shoes.
Rosa (also known as Nikki) is the owner of Zoe the Beagle.
Tonya (also known as Miriam) is the owner of Rocco the Yorkie.
Tonya has heavy makeup, a small smile, curly black hair, and dark skin. She dons a short-sleeved green shirt over a white top with white capris and green shoes.
Zach (also known as Ben) is the owner of Cooper the Jack Russell Terrier.
Zach has a big nose, a wide smile, short blonde hair, and light skin. He dons a short-sleeved orange T-shirt with long white pants and dual-colored white-orange shoes.
Vinny (also known as Vincent) is the owner of Gus the Mini Schnauzer.
Vinny has short gray hair with a receding hairline, dark skin, a big nose, and a wide smile. He dons a short-sleeved dark blue T-shirt with long white pants and dual-colored white-dark blue shoes.
Dogs (Nintendogs)Edit
Angel is Meimei's Miniature Pinscher in Nintendogs. Angel is a black and tan miniature Pinscher. She wears a black leather collar and has a toned down bark. Angel often fights with other dogs, but in spite of this her owner Meimei still brags often about Angel.
Aster is Billy's pet Dachshund in Nintendogs. Aster is a golden Dachshund who wears a blue polka-dot ribbon.
Aster can be only found on walks in Dachshund and Friends and Dalmatian and Friends. He and Billy replace Casey and Morgan. He is mean and will fight with the player's dog. For some reason, he is nicer to dogs in Dalmatian and Friends than Dachshund and Friends. He is one of the type of dogs that does not bring chew toys back.
Bear is a black and grey Miniature Schnauzer owned by Adam in Nintendogs. Bear is a black and grey Schnauzer wearing a platinum collar. Adam takes Bear on walks and enters him in contests. Bear will often get along with the player's dogs.
Buster (Beagle)Edit
Buster is Leslie's lemon and white beagle. He can be seen on walks and wears a Pink Spotted Bow. He tends to be quite hyper and if your dog encounters him during walks, he will usually not get along well with the players dog.
He is often mentioned in disc competitions, notably in the championship contest.
Buster (Toy Poodle)Edit
Buster is Tyrone's black Toy Poodle. She wears two yellow ribbons on her floppy ears.
Butters is Alan's Labrador Retriever found in all versions of Nintendogs. Alan often brags about Butters, saying that a dog in Bark Mode taught Butters a new trick or that he can lie down for a really long time. He is often mean if the player's dog approaches him. He is the type of dog that returns thrown items.
Butters has a light tan fur coat and regularly wears a camo collar.
Casey is a Shih Tzu found on walks in Nintendogs: Dachshund & Friends and Nintendogs: Labrador & Friends. She is owned by Morgan. Casey is a Black and White Shih Tzu wearing a Checked Ribbon. She is extremely mean and will usually fight the player's dog, resulting in a decrease of Trainer Points. The best thing to do when encountering Casey is to not jerk your dog's leash so the dogs will get along. Casey is the type of dog that does not bring toys back. Unusually, Casey will sometimes make friends with dogs.
Charlie is Meghan's Shih Tzu that appears in all versions of Nintendogs, he appears in every edition of Nintendogs for the DS. He's afraid of certain toys, like the dice cushion. He is also the type that does not bring chewable toys back to the player. When you find him on walks, chances are your dog won't get along with him, as he is a bit rambunctious at times.
Chelsea is Carmen's Miniature Pinscher. She can be founds in walks or contests. Chelsea usually fights other dogs she encounters on walks, especially Corgis.
Chelsea has dark brown fur with a lighter shade of brown coloring her underbelly, half of her legs, and her paws. She regularly wears a striped ribbon around her neck.
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Coby is Emily's white, short-haired Chihuahua. He wears a flower collar and knows how to fetch.
Cole is a Beagle owned and trained by Chuck in Nintendogs. He can be found on walks and at the park. He is also mentioned as the current leader by Ted Rumsworth in competitions sometimes.
Deacon is a sable and white Pembroke Welsh Corgi on Nintendogs. He wears a pumpkin leather collar. He's often very mean and will fight with the player's dog.
Eclair is Audrey's black and cream Shiba Inu that appears in Nintendogs. He can be found on walks and in the park, where he's usually with one of his dog friends, Spot. His accessory is a green striped bow. He may sometimes fight with the player's dog and can be quite aggressive.
Elroy is Rich's Chihuahua. He is pure white and wears a Blue Polka Dot Ribbon on his chest. If your dog comes towards Elroy, a different theme will play and the game will say that your dog does not like Elroy very much. Rich often brags about Elroy, saying that he did a backflip when told to sit or that he repeated the songs Rich played on the keyboard.
Fathom is Nate's black and tan Dachshund that appears in Nintendogs. He can be found on walks and in the park. He wears a platinum collar.
Fido is Bob's light brown Shetland Sheepdog that appears in Nintendogs,. he can be found on walks and at the park.
He is friendly and will play along with your dogs, but if you don't clean your dog or don't pick the poop up, then Fido will not get along with your dog very well.
Bob and Fido take the place of Erik and Nugget in this version.
Fido's trainer Bob may have an appearance in Nintendogs and Cats, though his American name is Joe, and is called Bob only in the PAL version. Fido does not appear, but Loulou (Trixie in the PAL), a dachshund, appears.
Logan is David's German Shepherd, who be found at the upper-right park with Maggie. His accessory is the spiked collar. He can be found on walks and will be nice to your dog. Logan brings toys back and sometimes flips while catching a frisbee.
Maggie is a female Yorkshire Terrier. She is owned by Chantal, a neighbour. They are usually friendly, and Maggie is usually friendly towards the player's dog, but if the player neglects to clean up their puppies' poop during walks, Maggie will be mean to the player's dog. Maggie is found in the upper-right park with Logan.
Murphy is Ann's Chihuahua, who can be found on walks and in the park.
He is a orange and white chihuahua and wears a checkered ribbon.
Nugget is a bright tan Shiba Inu in Nintendogs. He appears in Nintendogs: Labrador & Friends, and can be found on walks. His accessory is a Japanese Print Collar. Nugget is not very friendly and will often not get along with the player's dog. Nugget also appears in Dachshund and Friends. In that version, his personality stays the exact same. A Shiba Inu in Nintendogs + Cats, named Lucky, not to be confused with the Dachshund on the original DS Nintendogs, shares the exact appearance as Nugget, even the same Japanese Print Collar. Owner is Erik.
Peaches is Pedro's a white pug who appears in Nintendogs. She can be found on walks and in the park. She wears a striped ribbon on the sides of her head. She is mean and will most likely attack your dogs.
Petey is Maria's dark grey Schnauzer who appears in Nintendogs. He wears a red polka dot ribbon.
Pik is Shiggy's dark brown Shetland Sheepdog who appears in Nintendogs. He can be found on walks and in the park. He wears a Checkered Ribbon. A Shetland Sheepdog named Pikku was the inspiration for his name.
Poofle is Shino's Cavalier King Charles Spaniel who appears in Nintendogs. Poofle can be found at the park, where you can interact with the dog. Poofle wears a Woven collar.
Poppi is Tom's black labrador who appears in Chihuahua and Friends. She is sometimes mentioned as the leader in competitions in Lab and Friends. Poppi is a black Labrador Retriever and wears a striped ribbon. Poppi is often seen on walks. Tom will often talk about the breed you have and how good they are. Poppi is usually warm and friendly, making many dogs get along with her really well.
Puffy is Jane's black male pug. He wears a black spiked collar. He is the type of dog to return thrown items. He is also energetic, as he is speedy when bringing a chewable toy back.
When on walks, Puffy doesn't get along well with most other dogs, but if your dog has a similar personality to Puffy, they may get along.
Rusty is Matthew's Yorkshire terrier who appears in Nintendogs. He can be found on walks and in the park. He wears a denim collar.
Sammy is Ted's pet poodle who appears in Nintendogs. The owner is not the same Ted seen commentating in contests.
Sasha (Pembroke Welsh Corgi)Edit
Sasha is John's tricolor Pembroke Welsh Corgi who appears in Chihuahua and Friends, Dachshund and Friends and Dalmatian and Friends. Sasha is wearing a blue polka-dot ribbon. Sasha is the type of dog to return thrown items.
Sasha is usually friendly unless the player's dog is dirty or the player forgets the clean up their poop.
Spot is Archie Hubb's Shiba Inu who appears in Nintendogs and Nintendogs + Cats. He can be found on walks and at the lower-left park between 4:00 AM and 8:00 AM. He wears a green collar and has a high pitched bark.
He is friendly and plays well with most dogs. He is also the type that does not bring chewable toys back to the player, because Archie is at the Archie Level in trainer points. In Nintendogs + Cats he is no longer found on walks, instead, he is found only in competitions.
Trouble is Arnie's German Shepherd Dog. He only appears on walks and sometimes appears in competitions. He doesn't get along well with other dogs, causing him to fight. In some games, however, he will be friendly toward the player's dog. Trouble is also the type of neighbor that brings discs and chewable toys back. It is possible that Arnie and Trouble could be nintendogs masters because Trouble can flip when he catches a disc.
Wanda is a female tricolor Cavalier King Charles Spaniel who can be seen on walks, when found at the park, she is the type that brings chewable toys back to the player. She usually gets along with the player's dog on a walk. Her owner is Jack.
Dogs (Nintendogs + Cats)Edit
Benny (also known as Rover) is Ally's Boxer.
Boxer is dual-colored with white and brown fur and wears the chef's scarf.
Buddy (also known as Tico and Jin (ジン) in JP) is Kate's male Harlequin Great Dane. He is friendly towards other dogs. According to the pet info, he likes to play with toys.
Buddy has dark gray-brown fur with darker spots all over. He regularly wears a green camo collar.
Chibi (known as Cloe in PAL) is Mina's Pomeranian. Chibi knows how to fetch.
Chibi has parti-color fur, with her two colors being brown and white. She wears a brown collar with a red rose flower.
Cooper (Kees in some countries) is Zach's Jack Russell Terrier. He is generally friendly and is found in parks, competitions and on walks. His accessory is a blue bandana worn around his neck (which can be purchased from Coletta).
Cooper/Kees the Jack Russell, owned by Zach/Ben. Cooper/Kees is light brown (Lemon & White) with a blue bandanna.
Gus (Médor in other versions) is a Mini Schnauzer in Nintendogs + Cats. He is owned by an elderly African-American man named Vinny. Gus can be found on walks and doesn't get along with other dogs.
Gus/Medor the Minature Schunauzer, owned by Vinny/Vincent. Gus/Medor is Pepper & Salt and wears a red bow tie.
Lily (Chipie in PAL versions) is Marie's Dalmatian who appears in all Nintendogs + Cats versions. She almost never fights with your dog.
Lily/Chipie the Dalmatian, owned by Marie. Lily/Chipie has spots and black ears with some red bows and wears a brown leather collar.
Loulou (renamed Trixie in the PAL version) is a fictional Dachshund owned by Joe (Bob in the PAL version) in the Nintendogs and Cats game.
Loulou is a female Dachshund, she wears a pink polka-dot ribbon and is black and tan.
Loulou/Trixie the Dachshund, owned by Joe/Bob. Loulou/Trixie is Black & Tan and wears ribbons.
Her owner, Joe/Bob, gives out advice for training your dog. Loulou gets along well with other dogs on walks, if the other puppy is not famished, hungry, parched, thirsty, dirty or filthy.
Lucky (Shiba Inu)Edit
Lucky/Piloto is a Shiba Inu owned by Kenji/Alberto. Lucky/Piloto is beige and white and wears a japanese-print collar. He gets along with many pets.
Lucky/Piloto the Shiba Inu, owned by Kenji/Alberto. Lucky/Piloto is beige and white and wears a Blue Japanese Print Collar. Lucky is also very similar to Nugget from the original games.
Max is a male sable and white Pembroke Welsh Corgi in Nintendogs + Cats, he gets along well with other dogs, his accessory is a leather necklace, he has a slightly high pitched bark. His owner is Carmen. Also known as Pirat.
Max/Pirat the Pembroke Welsh Corgi, owned by Carmen/Tanya. Max/Pirat is Sable & White with a Leather Necklace.
Pepper (Dina in the PAL version) is a female sable and white Shetland Sheepdog in Nintendogs + Cats. She is a friendly dog, notable for her higher pitched bark and playful nature. She wears a Beaded Collar and is owned by Noah.
Pepper/Dina the Shetland Sheepdog, owned by Noah/Kirill. Pepper/Dina is Sable & White and wears a Beaded collar.
Rebel (Lana in the PAL version) is Jacob's longhair female Chihuahua often seen in Pro Competitions. She has a seemingly shy personality, usually being scared of other dogs. She wears a hibiscus. Your dog can befriend her very easily if it is the eldest/the first puppy you got. Sometimes, if your puppy is being jumpy, you can pull on their leash and they might make friends with her.
Rebel/Lana the Chihuahua, owned by Jacob/Alfredo. Rebel/Lana is white and brown (possibly Red & White) and wears a white hibiscus flower and a Denim Collar.
- "This mischievous male is curious about everything."
- — DS description (US), Nintendogs
Rex (Billy in the PAL version) is Conner's black and tan German Shepherd. He is mostly friendly, but sometimes your puppy won't get along so well. He is mostly seen in Junior Cup competitions. He wears a Metal-Link Necklace.
Rex/Billy the German Shepherd, owned by Conner/Adriano. Rex/Billy is dark colored and wears the silver chain-link necklace.
Rocco (also known as Basti) is Tonya's Yorkshire Terrier.
Rocco has fluffy fur, with it being a mixture of both light brown and dark brown. Rocco regularly wears a stunt helmet.
Sasha (Siberian Husky)Edit
Sasha is Richard/Peter's black Siberian Husky. Also known as Juli.
Sasha/Juli the Siberian Husky, owned by Richard/Peter. Sasha/Juli is black and white with a striped collar.
Sasha usually gets along fine with your dog and wants to go to the park to spend more time with him/her. There have been some instances where the player's dog is afraid of Sasha or they didn't hit it off.
Sasha is a black female Siberian Husky who wears a black and white Striped Collar. She has blue eyes and a white tipped black tail.
Stella is Grace's Bull Terrier who appears in Nintendogs + Cats. Stella is not usually friendly. But she can be with some dogs. Stella wears a pink fringed collar.
Stella/Kira the Bull Terrier, owned by Grace/Alexandra. Stella/Kira is Brindle & White and wears a Heart Collar (In the European and Japanese versions, she wears a Lace collar instead.)
Zoe (Lisa in the PAL version) is a tricolor female Beagle who belongs to Rosa. She ignores the player's dog by sniffing in random places, this is probably because she has trouble getting along with other dogs.
She wears Black Specs, matching her owner Rosa's glasses. Her face is lemon colored and she has dark ears and back.
Zoe/Lisa the Beagle, owned by Rosa/Nikki. Zoe/Lisa is Tricolor and wears Scholar Glasses and an Orange leather collar.
Special PetsEdit
Izzy only appears in the Dog Care books.
Izzy is a plain brown Dachshund. In the Bark Mode care book, he is shown wearing a blue leather collar.
- Izzy is owned by Chris, a neighbor who does NOT appear in the walks or contests.
- He can be seen interacting with a pug in the Bark Mode book.
Daisy is a yellow female Labrador Retriever. She is one of the three Kennel display dogs, along with Maxwell and Lucky, and is also the largest and most responsive display dog. She is somewhat mean, as she usually fights Lucky and Maxwell. When the player is naming a new dog, a female voice calls out three examples: Lucky, Maxwell, and Daisy, a reference to the display dogs. A dog similar to Daisy appears in the game guide but his name is Rex.
Lucky (Miniature Dachshund)Edit
Lucky is a Miniature Dachshund in Nintendogs. He is one of the display dogs at the Kennel, along with Maxwell and Daisy. When the player is naming a new dog, a female voice calls out three examples: Maxwell, Lucky, and Daisy, a reference to the display dogs. In the game guide, a dog similar to Lucky appears, but her name is Lulu and is a different color.
Maxwell is a male cream-colored Chihuahua in Nintendogs. He is one of the three dogs at the Kennel that the player can look at, along with Lucky and Daisy, and is also the smallest and least responsive display dog. He is also lazy sometimes. When the player is naming a dog, a female voice calls out three examples: Lucky, Maxwell and Daisy, a reference to the display dogs. In the game guide, a dog similar to Maxwell appears, but his name is Brutus.
Baxter (Max in other versions) is a black and white French Bulldog in Nintendogs + Cats, he only appears in the demo version, along with Rufus and Coco. He, like the player's dog, can wear accesories, interact with Maddy, and play with dog toys. and like the other demo pets, he dissapears after a while.
Coco (Nina in other versions) is a brown, fluffy muzzled Toy Poodle in Nintendogs + Cats, she only appears in the demo version, along with Baxter, and Rufus. Like the player's dog she can play with toys, interact with Pickles, and wear accessories. Also, when the player is ready to quit playing the demo version, they have to wait for a while.
Rufus (Lucky in other versions) is a Golden Retriever in Nintendogs + Cats he only appears in the Demo version, along with Coco and Baxter, he acts like most dogs do, interact with Cleo, wear accesories, and get fed, however, like the other demo pets, he disapears after a while.
Cleo is a gray tabby standard cat in Nintendogs + Cats she only appears in the demo version, along with Pickles and Maddy, she, like the player's cat (if they have one) behaves normally. She can play with cat toys, interact with Rufus, and wear accessories, and like the other demo pets, she disappears after a while.
Maddy (Lua in other versions) is a gray solid standard cat in Nintendogs + Cats, she only appears in the demo version, along with Pickles and Cleo, she behaves like cats do, interact with Baxter, play with cat toys and wear accessories, and, like the other demo pets, she disappears after a while.
Pickles (Sultan in other versions) is a tabby standard cat in Nintendogs + Cats, she only appears in the demo version, along with Cleo and Maddy, like Precious, she behaves like a cat normally would, play with cat toys, interact with Coco, and wear accessories. (although with Precious, though you can't change his accessory.)


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Saturday, 14 May 2011
Here's my atc's for a swap being held on lots to do forum,the theme is vintage.
Backgrounds are distress inks applied with baby wipes,images are various stamps stamped with archival ink,ribbon and brads to finish
Sunday, 20 March 2011
1-2-1 swaps
Thought i'd better get some spare swaps in my 1-2-1 box,looking really empty
All done using distress ink applied with ink duster(actually i used a shaving brush from £ shop lol)
All stamps are TH
1st bit of crafting for ages!!!!!
Made these for a swap,tags had to have something of TH's on them,so used alcohol inks on 3 of them and distress ink on the 4th,all have TH stamps
Friday, 11 February 2011
Time Flies
Thetheme this week on JUST FOR FUN is Time Flies
Here's my entry for this week.
The background is distress ink applied with baby wipes,then edges inked.
The time stamp is C.I and the wings are TH,i stamped them both on C.I papers and stuck them to my atc,then finished off with a spot tapestry stamp.
Monday, 7 February 2011
you've been framed
Made this frame because i'm trying to use up all my goodies(what better excuse to buy new lol)
The frame is just a cheap 1,not surewhere the image is from!!
heartfelt wings
This week is the 1st week of a new challenge blog,just for fun,
The theme is heartfelt wings.
I used grungeboard for this,after my wings to the heart i coloured it using fired brick distress ink,then stamped over it with a swirl stamp and added 'just for you'.
I covered the whole thing with clear glaze then fibres to finish.
Friday, 4 February 2011
I made this canvas for a birthday pressie,but didn't realise till after it was finished it wouldn't fit in my envelope lol
I used spray inks for the background then my C.I stamps stamped onto tissue paper for the images,just love these stamps.
The wheels go round
Here's another page for the grunge swap.
The wheels go round.
I inked mountboard using adirondack then ripped paper and stuck to mountboard.
Again using adirondack i inked white card and ripped edges then stamped my old bus image in distress inks
Here's my tags for Hilda's swap,with a children theme.
All done using distress inks and TH stamps.
Iadded clear glaze to the number on each tag
Your numbers up
Here's another page done for Hilda's grunge swap.
Your numbers up.
I used TH papers for this and hologram background paper,i then rubbed the whole page with a matchbox to 'rough it up' a bit.
Sunday, 30 January 2011
Journey in time
This is my 3rd page for the grunge book swap being hosted by Hilda.
A Journey In Time.
I did the background using spray inks then inked the edge.I stamped my image using distress ink and coloured the sail using sakura pens,added crackle glaze to the passport and finished off with 2 postage stamps.
Beer mats
Here's my beer mats for a swap i'm hosting,not done any beer mats for ages so really enjoyed doing these.
The background is distress ink,direct to paper,images are C.I stamped using black soot distress ink,i then added a few stars and dots tapestry stamps then coated with modge podge.
These are my atc's for a swap being hosted by Hilda over on the lots to do forum.The theme is black & white with a touch of red.
I stamped my images using versamark then added red using sakura pens and finished off with a red stitch stamp around the edges.
Thursday, 20 January 2011
5x5 pages
These are my 1st 2 pages 'feeling blue' & 'come fly with me' for the 5x5 grunge book swap being hosted by Hilda on the lots to do forum.
Both backgrounds have been done using glimmer mist,then i added the stamped images and words to finish.
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Re: Micheal/Miles Abernathy b. 1803
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Re: Micheal/Miles Abernathy b. 1803
Let me jump in here too.My G-G-Gfather was also Rufus Pinckney.Rufus' wife name was indeed Mary (Christopher), but I believe that Mary was Cherokee Indian, so the last name may not be relevant.Unless I am sadly mistaken, my brother has a copy of Rufus' marriage license, which he supposed to be sending to me.Judy Kimsey (firstname.lastname@example.com) and I have been researching Michael's ancestry also.I suspect that Michael's father was David Abernethy.


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See also the Whistleblowing - Safeguarding Work Procedure.
When a report is made about risks of harm to a child or an adult the person making the allegation or raising the concern is often concerned to do so 'in confidence'. It needs to be made clear that full confidentiality can never be promised as noted in the previous chapter.
It is important to explain why as well as how the information that is about to be shared will be managed. Reassurance that the information will be shared only with people who need to know in order to take action to intervene and protect the child or adult should be given. Reassurance about the security of records and the security of the information sharing process and record keeping should be given with a clear explanation that the Data Protection Act 1998 will be observed, see the Information Sharing Procedure.
Giving reassurance about the timing of interventions and feedback to the person raising a concern will assist in managing the process.
Confidentiality is often confused with secrecy and remaining anonymous in reporting and referring. Anonymity can be agreed where the report is coming from a parishioner or member of a congregation and is being passed to the public agencies through the Safeguarding Representative or the Safeguarding Co-ordinator but only with their agreement and in agreement with the public agency e.g. the Police or Children's Social Care Services /Adult Social Care Services. Total anonymity cannot be agreed as the circumstances may develop into a criminal process.
If there are concerns about the safety of the person reporting, this must be clearly recorded and taken into full account when reaching an agreement with the Social Care Services and the Police.Where a person in a formal role within the Church raises a concern or reports an allegation they cannot do so anonymously.


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I just stumbled across this etsy shop and fell in love. It is absolutely perfect for making kits for the neighbors and those people you see every now and then but just do not have the space in your budget to buy elaborate gifts for. I plan on stashing a few for people that drop by unexpectedly as well. You can find the shop here Littlebrownpen.
I already grabbed the calender, stationary set, gift tags and rainy day recipe pack all for a grand total of $14 and they can all be printed out as many times as you wish. I plan on making a bunch of felt ornaments to go along with the gift bags and wallah that takes care of a huge portion of my Christmas list!
Their shop video is adorable as well.


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This chapter now has an audio reading by Skijarama
"So let me get this straight," Applejack said, glancing at Pinkie Pie with a raised brow, "You knew that singin' and stuff was gonna make the crazy magic work because ya didn't know it was gonna work at all?"
Pinkie nodded. "Yep, basically it didn't make any sense for the song to create anything just because there was a song so it started to create things."
"It was actually quite genius," Twilight added, "Chaos Magic is a tricky kind of power. The whole way one uses it is by not trying to use it at all. I had never even heard that song before, but once I managed to tap into the magic too it just came to me. Oh, I wish I had my books, we could spend years on just chaotic musical numbers alone!"
Applejack's nose scrunched up and her eyebrows lowered. "Now that just don't make a lick of sense. Usin' it by not usin' it? No, don't try ta explain it again. I'll be happy with the fact that magic's weird and ah'v gotta deal with it."
Rarity smiled at the conversation. After the little fiasco with Discord, the entire group dynamic was better than ever. Even though Applejack had acted distant at first she was quickly warming up to the other ponies and Rarity was pleased to see the kind-hearted filly she grew up with hadn't disappeared entirely.
The lightened mood, or perhaps one more parting gift of Discord's, also appeared to be helping with their pace and Rainbow had declared that they would get to the castle sooner than expected.
Then Rarity tripped.
Her good foreleg came out from under her and she instinctively tried to catch herself with her other one; only to give a strangled cry as that one crumpled with a shot a pain and she fell to the ground. The forest was once again flooded with darkness as the pain caused Rarity to lose control of her light spell.
Instantly, there were feathers draped across her back and strong hooves lifting her up. "Rarity, you okay? What hurts? Did you hit your head?" Rainbow's rapid fire questions assaulted her ringing ears.
"I'm… fine darling," Rarity muttered, biting her lip as she was delicately set back on her three good hooves. "I just tripped, that's all."
"Nuh uh," Pinkie spoke up, examining the place where Rarity had fallen, "You were tripped."
Applejack glanced up at the other Earth Pony from her deep inspection of Rarity's leg. "That's what she said, sugar."
Pinkie rolled her eyes and fished something out of the fallen leaves that decorated the forest floor. "I mean, someone caused her to fall over on purpose." She triumphantly recovered a thin, snapped piece of wire and gave it an experimental lick. "I don't think vinyl grows naturally in the Everfree."
"Let me see that." Twilight's magic flared to life, bathing the trees purple and gently lifting the wire out of Pinkie's hooves and into her own. The Unicorn turned it over itself, scrutinizing it closely. "It's new," she declared after a couple seconds, "not the wire itself but it definitely hasn't been sitting in the forest for more than a few hours."
"How can ya tell?" Applejack asked, joining Twilight in peering at the thin metal.
Twilight shrugged. "It's dry. If it was here for long dew would have collected on it like everything else."
"So someone planted it," Rainbow growled, "for us."
"Oh, I don't think for you in particular," A new voice spoke from the shadows, "We're just after any suspicious ponies lurking around the forest."
Each pony whipped their heads in different directions as they tried to search for the newcomer. The rustle from the undergrowth got increasingly louder and slowly, ponies began to emerge from the surrounding vegetation. No less than a dozen Earth Ponies crawled out from behind trees and around bushes, each handling some type of dagger or knife and each with more muscle mass than even Applejack had.
Overhead, the leaves rustled and the small group looked up to see at least five Pegasi crouched in different trees, brandishing wicked crossbows aimed directly at their heads.
They were surrounded.
Finally, a dark tan Earth Pony with a slicked back black mane emerged from the shadows. A wicked smile splitting his face.
Twilight's and Rainbow's jaws dropped simultaneously. "Dr. Caballeron?!?"
The Earth Pony smiled wider and nodded, "Ah, I see my reputation precedes m…"
"You're real?" Twilight sputtered, eyes wide.
"Ohmygoshohmygoshohmygosh." Rainbow Dash hopped from one hoof to another grinning like a foal in a toy store. "Does this mean Daring Do is real too? That is so cool!"
Dr. Caballeron scowled and bared his teeth. His lackeys around him chuckling under their breaths. "You read those ridiculous children's books? I wish Nightmare had just burned them all. I can assure you I am much more… ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING?"
Rainbow Dash and Twilight were not listening. Instead, they were practically bouncing around each other and talking over one another. "You read Daring Do? It's the best! Totally radicalest. Did you catch that foreshadowing in book three? What about the plot twist in book five? I was screaming! Ohmygosh! It's real! I know!"
"ENOUGH!" Dr. Caballeron screamed, flinging a knife at Rainbow's head. "I am not just a villain in a storybook!"
Dash didn't even flinch as she lifted her wing and caught the dagger in between her feathers. In one movement she turned and shot it into the trees where it lodged in one of the archer's crossbow, jamming it beyond use.
"Hey man," Rainbow growled, all mirth gone, "Not cool attacking while your enemy's distracted."
"I don't care!" Dr. Caballeron shouted, stomping a hoof on the ground, "I am going to bring you into to my employer and get my reward and you are not going to talk about stupid Daring Do in the process!"
That gained everyponies' attention.
"Someone's paying you to capture us?" Twilight asked, eyes wide.
Applejack snorted and withdrew her knife. "Nightmare Moon can't do her own dirty work now, huh?"
Dr. Caballeron stuck his snout in the air. "For your information, my employer is not the Empress. But, they do wish to remain anonymous so just be good little ponies and surrender yourselves."
Rainbow Dash crouched into a battle stance and withdrew her own weapon. "Yeah, right. We aren't going anywhere with you."
Dr. Caballeron snorted. "Please, put aside the fact you're five against fifteen, my snipers could hit half of your group in under a second." He paused and tapped in his chin in mock thought. "I suppose one of you could escape, but that's hardly any skin off my back. I'll still be rich bringing the others in."
Rainbow faltered a moment at that but she quickly put a brave face on and snorted in return. "Or you could leave now and save yourself the embarrassment of being owned by such a small group."
As the two argued, Rarity cautiously glanced around at the thugs. None seemed to be buying Rainbow's bluff, a few were even laughing at the Pegasus' bravado. There was no way they were all going to get out of this situation if it came to a fight and Rarity highly doubted chaos spirits or legends were going to show up and save them again. They needed a plan, some way to settle this peacefully. And then, Rarity had it.
"You're mercenaries aren't you?" She called out just as Dr. Caballeron raised his hoof to give the order to attack, "Doing this job to get paid and not for any… hmmm… moral or political reasons, correct?"
The doctor paused and raised a brow at her. "That is correct. We do a job, we get paid. That's how life is."
"Of course of course," Rarity said quickly, calmly brushing her mane out of her eyes as if she wasn't about to get shot at, "Nothing wrong with that. We all have to survive somehow. So what happens if you, say, get a different job that conflicts with the first one? Do you feel obligations to the first one?"
"Rarity, what are you doing?" Twilight whispered to her.
"Bargaining for our lives, dear," Rarity hissed back, "just trust me and stay quiet."
The good doctor, thankfully, didn't seem to be in any rush to finish them quite yet. "Oh no, that just complicates things. We are always loyal to the highest bidder." His grin stretched out like a shark's. "Why? Do you have a proposal, milady?"
"Yes," She said, flashing the villain a smile, "I would like to place a bid and request you not take us away and, perhaps, keep any other nasty surprises off our backs." With a flourish, her horn glowed and a moderate sized sack of coins flew from her saddlebags and to Dr. Caballeron's hooves.
The Earth Pony gently prodded the bag, then shook his head with a slow chuckle. "I'm afraid that my employer has offered much more than what this measly sack could contain. No, I'll think we'll stick with the previous offer."
"Oh, bits aren't all that's in that bag Darling," Rarity continued, not letting her voice falter as the thugs slowly started to close in, taking their time like cats with a cornered mouse, "If you look, you'll also find a check to Miss Rarity Belle's savings account at the National Canterlot Bank. If you let us go, I don't see any problem with you writing down what you think you deserve and retrieving it at a later date."
Dr. Caballeron raised a hoof and the other ponies instantly halted in their steps. He reached into the sack and brought out the checkbook, ideally flipping through it. "And how much do you have in your account, Miss Belle?"
Rarity took a shuddering breath. "Almost a hundred thousand."
He hummed thoughtfully. "And how did you come by all these bits? You certainly don't seem like the type of pony to be sitting on a fortune."
Rarity huffed. "I don't see how that's any business of yours. But, if you must know I've saved it. Every day of every year, every paycheck only had the bare minimums taken out to go to me. The rest went to that bank in hopes… in hopes that one day I could move with my family out of Equestria. Rejoin them someplace better, safer."
"And what's stopping me from just taking your bits and fulfilling my other contract too?"
"I have to write a letter." And now Rarity had real confidence. The kind that could only be gained from pure honesty. "The bank is very specific that I have to write a detailed letter whenever anything is withdrawn. It's to keep me from spending it freely you see. If you kill me or cut me off in any way then the money will sit in that bank account till the end of days and you won't see a cent of it."
Dr. Caballeron stared Rarity dead in the eye and Rarity held his gaze right back. She could sense the stillness in the air as her friends didn't dare to breathe and the thugs poised on the edge of movement. Rarity, however, was confident in her movement and stillness. If the doctor was looking for her bluff, he would find nothing for there was nothing to find. The only question would be if Dr. Caballeron was true to his philosophy of the highest bidder. Or, even worse still, her funds weren't the highest after all.
Eventually, the Earth Pony smiled and scooped up the sack of coins into his hoof. "Well then Miss Belle," he said, tipping his head to her, "It seems we have an arrangement."
With a flick of his hoof, the entire gang fell back into the undergrowth and vanished as though they hadn't been there at all.
There was haunting silence for a few heartbeats, but then the sounds of the forest that no one realized were even gone came trickling back. The owls and other birds started chirping, the squirrels made the leaves rustle, and the wind gently whistled as it picked back up.
Rarity turned back to her friends and frowned at what she found. Instead of the looks of relief and gratitude that was obviously called for, instead there four ranges of concern. "Well," She said, trying to put on a confident smile, "Now that that nasty business is out of the way, we should be off, yes?"
She made to trot past them, further down the path, but before she could get more than a few steps Rainbow grabbed her good leg and stared deeply into her eyes.
"Why didn't you tell me?" The Pegasus whispered, her voice speckled with emotion, "About your family. I could… I could have helped Rarity. Got you… Paid for… You said they were on vacation."
Rarity didn't look at Dash. She didn't look as Pinkie silently wrapped her other side in a gentle hug. She didn't look when one of the other two choked back a sniffle. She kept her eyes straight ahead and answered Rainbow's question. "I try to convince myself they are, it's easier to think they'll come home one day."
She tried to move forward but stopped again when Pinkie Pie spoke. "How long has it been?"
Rarity's breath shuddered and she closed her eyes, remembering the last time she had seen her parent's gaudy style of clothing; the last time she had tasted one of her mom's homemade cookie; the last time she had held her little sister and told her she loved her.
"Two years."
"And Equestria barely has contact with other countries anymore." She heard Twilight mutter. "You probably haven't even gotten a letter…"
Rarity gently pushed her friends off her and stood up straight. "Well, yes, that's why we're doing this aren't we? Saving the day, making everything right again? We shouldn't doddle any longer."
"Right," Rainbow muttered, wiping her face with the back of her hoof, "Right, let's go punch Nightmare Moon in the face."


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2) It costs the National Health Service a LOT of money to treat people who inflicted damage to themselves and so tax payers are paying for preventable problems. (I can say this as my own nanna is in hospital currently with COPD.)
3) Smoking should be banned already so that it does not influence the huge amount of the new generation to continue the habit and stop this before it gives them a chance to harm themselves as well.
First, while I agree that smoking is harmful for the person who smokes, and for those who have to breathe the fumes, I don't think that's a good reason to make smoking illegal. If smoking were banned in public places, but allowed in private places, that would protect unwilling second-hand smokers.
Also, your argument from the harmfulness of smoking proves too much:
1. If some activity is extremely harmful to your health, it should be illegal.
2. Smoking is extremely harmful to your heath.
3. Therefore, smoking should be illegal.
The problem is with your first premise. It could be applied to anything that is extremely harmful. EX:
1. If some activity is extremely harmful to your health, then it should be illegal.
2. Binge eating is extremely harmful to your health.[1]
3. Therefore, binge eating should be illegal.
But surely it is absurd to think that we should make binge eating illegal, in which case we should reject your first premise.
Second, you say that we should make smoking illegal because it costs tax payers a lot of money to treat preventable problems.
But this doesn't have to be the case. The reason smoking costs tax-payers money is because a lot of smokers do not have medical insurance. If a law were passed requiring everybody to have medical insurance, then it wouldn't cost tax payers so much money. And, in fact, Obamacare HAS been passed, and it DOES require everybody to have medical insurance, so problem solved.
Also, your argument proves too much:
1. If some activity costs tax payers a lot of money and is preventable, then it should be made illegal.
2. Smoking costs tax payers a lot of money and is preventable.
3. Therefore, smoking should be made illegal.
But the first premise could be applied to many things which we wouldn't want to be made illegal. EX:
1. If some activity costs tax payers a lot of money and is preventable, then it should be made illegal.
2. Public education costs tax payers a lot of money and is preventable.
3. Therefore, public education should be made illegal.
But nobody wants to make public education illegal. So the mere fact that some activity costs tax payers a lot of money is not a good reason to make it illegal.
Third, you say smoking should be banned so that it doesn't influence the next generation to pick up the habit. But again, that argument proves too much. If preventing the next generation from picking up bad habits is any reason to make those habits illegal, then we should also make cussing, lying, pornography, drinking, unfaithfulness, and rude behavior illegal for the same reason. But surely that is absurd.
Now that I've responded to all of your arguments for why smoking should be made illegal, let me give you a few reasons for why I think smoking should remain legal.
1. If smoking were made illegal, then a LOT of people would lose their livelihood. Many families survive by growing tobacco. That is not to mention the people who work in tobacco plants and manufacture cigarettes and other forms of tobacco consumption.
2. A ban on tobacco would be unenforceable. Tobacco can be grown in a person's own back yard. Outlawing tobacco would create more crime, which would be an even bigger burden on tax payers because they would have to pay for more law enforcement and more prisons.
3. Banning tobacco would create organized crime. We know this because we tried prohibition once. Tobacco is more addictive than heroin. [2] Even though alcohol is less addictive than heroin, outlawing it created the mob. Prohibition was eventually overturned because it created more problems than it solved. Banning smoking would create the same problem if not worse.
4. We value freedom in this country, and that includes the freedom to put ourselves at risk by the lifestyle we choose. That's why we would frown on any suggestion that the government enforce dietary restrictions on us. Benjamin Franklin said that anybody who would give up liberty for safety deserves neither. [3]
5. Most people who smoke would like to quit. But smoking is highly addictive. What these people need is care, not punishment. It would be wrong and unfair to criminalize smoking without providing smokers with addiction treatment. But addiction treatment is often unsuccessful, and it would be a huge burden on the tax payer if it became mandated.
6. A ban on smoking would not prevent smoking. It would be a useless law, creating problems but not solving any.
Thank you for listening. I look forward to your rebuttal.
[1] Flay, Brian R. Health Psychology, Vol 13(1), Jan 1994, 73-85. http://psycnet.apa.org...
[2[ "Nicotine: Harder to kick than heroin" http://www.nytimes.com...
[3] "Benjamin Franklin", Wikipedia http://en.wikiquote.org...
However, the binge eating scenario I do agree with; it would seem absurd to ban it, but when thought about in great detail, it is a similar scenario as any other drug. (I personally, would love to have the NHS charge patients for self-inflicted illness!)
I cannot really comment in great deal about your second point in health insurance and Obamacare as I live in the United Kingdom and was speaking in terms of the National Health Service
In your third counter-argument, I can use a similar objection to my earlier point with the exception of drinking (which would be a similar agreement to binge eating which I briefly mentioned earlier). Yes cussing, lying, pornography, unfaithfulness and rude behaviour influences the next generation to pick up a bad habit, but they do not harm the users and those around them in extreme cases and they do not cost tax payers a lot of money. Smoking tobacco includes all of these.
Your own points, I found interesting...
1) Yes a lot of money would be lost in families, but I can refer to the alcohol prohibition that occured in the early 20th century. This is a similar idea to the one I am proposing, as alcohol can be referred to as a drug and is harmful, costs money to tax payers in health consequences and influences a new generation in a bad habit. It must have put many families out of business, however, there are also economic positives. Tax would be decreased as the government would decrease the money given to hospitals and health care as less would be needed to treat smoking related illness.
2) I do agree with this point, however I can refer to other drugs which are illegal when I argue my point that there will always be crime related to illegal drugs. Heroin is an illegal drug, yet people still take heroin. I can also refer to my first counter-argument and second point. If a fine were placed on smoking tobacco illegally, then the government would receive more money to spend on worthwhile things.
3) I have read up on this, and I agree there were bad consequences from prohibition. However, it is a new era and times can change. It used to be that everybody followed the crowd in danger of being attacked verbally and physically for having your own opinion. On a completely unrelated topic in terms for comparison, Martin Luther King was shot for demanding rights for black people. The majority of white people disagreed, despite many wanting to speak out, and eventually he was shot dead for his beliefs. However, now days, racism is not tolerated. Of course, it still occurs, but far less.
4) This is true, but I believe the human right is "to do what a person wishes, if it does not harm others", and I believe smoking tobacco causes passive smoking, which is harming others.
5) I agree, help should be offered to people who wish to quit. But the money the government can cut from the health service budget (taken as less money is needed to treat smoking-related illness) can care for this. Therefore, not much of a rise, or perhaps no rise at all, is needed in tax.
6) I disagree, a good person abides by the law and not everybody in this world is bad. You can see from my previous points and counter-arguments why!
I hope this makes sense, it was written in a hurry. Thank you for replying!
Some of my arguments assume an American perspective because I didn't know amieturtl3 was from the UK. The health system in the UK is different than in the US, so the effect on the tax burden would be different in the US than in the UK. For the rest of the debate, I'll assume we're talking about whether smoking should be banned in the UK.
I used several reductio ad absurdum arguments in response to amieturtl3's three arguments. She responded by saying that we shouldn't take her reasons in isolation, but altogether as a cumulative case. She effectively rebutted my argument from public education with this construal of her case, but some of my other points remain in tact.
Since it comes down to a cumulative case rather than taking our reasons in isolation from each other, we should settle this debate by weighing the cumulative case on each side.
The case for a ban
(1) Preventable health problems for smokers, (2) preventable health problems for second-hand smokers, (3) higher tax burden due to health services, (4) discourages bad habits in the next generation
The case against a ban
(1) Loss of jobs, (2) higher crime rate, (3) creation of organized crime, (4) larger tax burden due to increased law enforcement, jails, addiction treatment, (5) diminished freedom, (6) ineffectiveness of law
A cursory glance reveals a stronger case for keeping smoking legal. But amieturtl3 and I have not resolved all our differences. For one, her point about second hand smoke shouldn't count since it's possible to ban smoking in public places, but keep it legal in private places. Amieturtl3 didn't respond to that point, so we can mark that off her list.
For my case, amieturtl3 agreed with all of my points except (3) and (6). Her response to the points she agreed with was basically to say that the effect of them is off-set by her case for banning smoking. Let's look at her reasons for rejecting (3) and (6).
Her response to (3) is to say that times have changed. But they have not changed. The ban on illegal drugs like marijuana has created organized crime that exists to this day. Smoking is likely to make things worse because people are accustomed to having the right to smoke, and there are more tobacco users than marijuana users. So we should keep (3).
Her response to (6) is just to deny it. I guess you have to ask yourself whether a ban on smoking would prevent smoking. Did a ban on alcohol prevent drinking? Does a ban on marijuana prevent marijuana use? Since people can grow their own tobacco and tobacco is highly addictive, banning tobacco will not prevent its use. So I'm going to insist on keeping (6).
Let's compare again.
Revised case for a ban
(1) Preventable health problems for smokers, (2) higher tax burden due to health services, (3) discourages bad habits in the next generation.
Revised case against a ban
(1) Loss of jobs, (2) higher crime rate, (3) creation of organized crime, (4) larger tax burden due to increased law enforcement, jails, addiction treatment, (5) freedom is diminished, (6) ineffectiveness of law
Revised comparison
Now, a cursory look reveals an even stronger case in favor of my position. But let's take a closer look.
First, she claims that smoking causes preventable health problems. A ban might reduce the incidence of smoking, but it would have little effect since many people are going to smoke anyway, and there will still be significant health problems due to illegal smoking.
Second, she says a ban on smoking will relieve a tax burden due to health services no longer being required. But since many people will continue to smoke, there will still be a tax burden from health problems. Plus, there will be an extra tax burden from the extra law enforcement required. Plus, with all those people in the tobacco industry losing their jobs, there will be a decrease in tax revenue since those people will not have an income, and that puts a higher tax burden on everybody else. So over all, the tax burden will be much greater if smoking is banned than if it remains legal.
Third, let me say one more thing about the tax burden due to health services. If this argument carries any weight, then the government would have the right to enforce dietary restrictions. It would have the right to ban cake and ice cream since (1) it causes obesity and diabetes, (2) which are preventable, and (3) banning them would discourage bad habits in the next generation. Any sort of unhealthy lifestyle would be fair game for the government to ban. And that runs right up against my point about freedom and liberty which the UK and the US both value greatly.
There are legitimate points on both sides, but overall, I think my case is clearly stronger.
Thank you, amieturt3, for keeping it interesting.
I would like to place my own opinion on the summary of the argument so far.
1) Smoking tobacco is harmful for the smokers and those around them.
Counter: Can be applied to any activity, eg. binge eating, which is preposterous.
Agreed: However, it is the same for any drug which has successfully remained illegal. Compromise, NHS charge patients for self-inflicted illness.
2) It costs the NHS a lot of money and therefore costs civilians a lot of tax.
Counter: Medical insurance is compulsory in America. Can be applied to any activity eg. public education, which is preposterous.
Disagreed: Different health systems in UK and US. Smoking tobacco not only costs the health service but also includes all my other points and is therefore more extreme.
3) Smoking should be banned to reduce the risk of influencing a new generation.
Counter: Can be applied to any activity eg. cussing, lying, pornography, drinking, unfaithfulness and rude behaviour, which is preposterous.
Disagreed: Smoking tobacco not only runs the risk of influencing a new generation but also includes all my other points and is therefore more extreme.
1) Many families survive by growing tobacco.
Counter: Whilst legal, money made from the cutting of the health service budget by the government would mean a decrease in tax and therefore families would gain money in aspects of tax.
Disagreed: People will continue to smoke despite the ban. Decrease in tax revenue.
Counter: Health service budget would still be decreased I assume.
2) Increased crime rate.
Counter: Money does not necessarily have to be spent on prisons etc. Like other consuming of illegal drugs, a fine could be placed and therefore the government would have more money to spend on worthwhile things.
No response so agreement assumed.
3) Creation of organised crime would occur.
Counter: Times have changed due to the smaller fear of speaking out for moral actions.
Disagreed: Times have not changed, organised crime exists to this day.
Counter: Referring to the Prohibition, rebellion was a matter of mob gangs and killing. Today, rebellion is continuing to smoke marijuana and is therefore less extreme than cases long ago.
4) Freedom is valued, we should be allowed to put our lives at risk by the lifestyle we choose.
Counter: I believe the human right is "to do what a person wishes, if it does not harm others". Smoking harms others.
No response so agreement assumed.
5) It would be unfair to not provide smokers with addiction treatment which would be a huge burden on the tax payer.
Counter: The money the government can cut from the health service budget can care for this.
Disagree: People will continue to smoke despite the ban.
Counter: I assume a budget cut would still take place.
6) A ban on smoking would not prevent smoking.
Counter: There are good people in this world who abide by the law. See previous arguments.
Disagree: Tobacco is highly addictive, a ban would not prevent it's use.
Counter: Other illegal drugs are still used today. Fines placed would increase the governments money!
I think my argument is still strong and a good indication of why smoking tobacco should be made illegal. I believe that many compromises can be made, however. Such as, self-inflicted illness should be paid for by the patient rather than tax payers. I believe I have made some valid arguments and I remain with my views. I hope I have been persuasive in getting my points across.
Thank you for this debate, it's been a pleasure! :)
In the last round, I showed how banning smoking would create a heavier tax burden on the government than keeping it legal since banning smoking would have little affect on the cost of medical care, but it would have a great affect on the cost of law enforcement as well as loss of revenue from those who will be out of work. (I thought of another reason, but I guess it would be unfair to bring it up at this point.)
amieturtl3 sought to off-set the increased tax burden by fining criminals who got caught smoking illegally. But I do not think revenue from fines would do much to off-set the extra cost of law enforcement. If fines were enough to pay for law enforcement, then law enforcement wouldn't require the extra income from tax money. And think of all the costs that would be required--more police officers, more jails, more court costs, etc. Remember that if smoking became illegal, we wouldn't just be fining people who smoked. We'd have to deal with people who produced and sold tobacco illegally. We'd have to deal with the crime organizations that would form around the production of illegal tobacco products. We can't just fine those people. We'd have to prosecute them and put them in jail because trafficking and dealing are much more serious crimes than just using. Once they're in jail, we'd also have to pay for their livelihood, e.g., food, clothing, water, sewage, electricity, etc. It's expensive to keep people in jail. Fines barely cover administrative costs.
Speaking of organized crime, amieturtl3 still thinks things are different today than during prohibition where there were mob killings and such. Does she not realize that there are still mob killings between rival drug dealers and traffickers today? Why would tobacco be any different? How many times have we heard reports on the evening news about a killing that resulted from a drug deal gone bad? I explained in my earlier post why we should expect things to actually be worse with illegal tobacco than with illegal drugs. The reason is because there is higher demand for tobacco than for illegal drugs.
I made the point earlier that the tax burden due to health issues wouldn't change much if smoking were illegal since people would still smoke illegally. Amieturtl3 suggested a compromise--that we make people pay for their own self-inflicted illnesses.
But that is highly impractical. The government would have to prove that the illness was self-inflicted, which would be well nigh impossible. And aren't most health issues self-inflicted? What if somebody has a heat stroke because of training too hard at sports? What if somebody gets diabetes because they ate too many brownies? Should accidents that could have been avoided be considered "self-inflicted"? Besides that, what do we do with people who get lung cancer but can't afford to pay for their own health care? Should we just toss them out in the streets and let them die? I don't think amieturtl3's suggestion of compromise would ever work in the real world. It was a neat idea, though.
The end.
Thank you, amieturtl3, for an incredibly mentally stimulating debate. This is actually the best and most challenging debate I've had on this web site so far. I hope to debate with you again some time. Take care!
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Starting this August, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) will ban smoking from public housing. Because of that, the American Lung Association is providing free quit smoking support for residents.
According to the organization, tobacco use takes the lives of over 7,000 people in Wisconsin every year, but it's not just those who light up that are put at risk. Unlike secondhand smoke, something many people may not have heard of is third hand smoke.
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The free quit support is part of the American Lung Association's 'Freedom from Smoking' program.
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Who did you pick as your extra 'starter pokemons'?
I took a caterpie (now a butterfree) for my physic attacks, and the Sun version of pidgey (Pittitil or something) to get some flying type. I still need a water type, but that can wait.
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If Nazi Germany had subdued Britain in 1941, and then went on to defeat the Soviet Union and win, and was left to tend with the USA. Who would win?
Note, in this scenario Japan has surrendered in 1945.
Round 1 - Opening Statement.
Round 2 - 4 - Arguments/Rebuttling
Round 5 - Closing statement/conclusion.
Opening Statement: I believe that if it came to a cold war situation between the USA and Nazi Germany, the USA would prevail, or it would end in stalemate. I'am for the USA.
I will provide my strong arguments in the arguing rounds of this debate.
Goodluck to whoever accepts it.
This is a re-do, being as the last one i did, the Person who accepted it did not read the structure, nor did he pay any attention to it.
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Germany would win because if they had enough power to beat the soviet union, who's to say the wouldn't win against america?
As you say, Germany would win because they had enough to win against the Soviet union?
You need to remember, Germany doesn't have unlimited Resources or Manpower.
Industry wise, the USA towered over Nazi Germany.
From 1941-1945 we were producing more than double of what Nazi Germany was producing.
Eventually Germany would run out.
I do not believe that the USA nor Germany would be able to make a direct invasion of eachother.
Germany certainly couldn't, the USA's naval power was staggering.
So then, Operation Torch comes into play, the invasion of North Africa.
Invading through Africa would divert more is not most of Germany's manpower there, giving us an opportunity to invade through Scandinavia for example.
Also, not to mention the staggering amount of Aircraft the Americans possessed by 1945.
German Panzer divisions would be caught by the USAF.
Thus, i close my argument.
Also sorry again i FF'd the 2nd round, i forgot over the weekend that i had a debate going.
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It is essential for every business to acknowledge and reward their employees' efforts in the workplace in order to give staff an incentive to give 100% in everything they do in your business and for them to actually enjoy working for your company. If there is no incentive to give everything you have in your employment it becomes more difficult to motivate yourself from day to day.
Richard Branson, the founder of Virgin said "You shouldn't be looking for people slipping up, you should be looking for all the good things people do and praising those."
The most popular form of reward is financial incentives, which are extremely popular in sales and retail positions. The top sales people receive awards for exceeding sales targets, and this creates friendly competition within the other employees in the office, and individual competition, where you want to beat the target from the month or year before. With incentives like this, it not only improves the bank balance of the employee, but it keeps them motivated and energised by their position.
Business owners can get inventive with their employee incentives. It doesn't just have to be financial. A number of companies give out vouchers for the likes of Starbucks and local cinemas, and some bosses take their employees out on "away days" such as cookery classes and outdoor pursuits including paintball and go-karting. It helps staff feel appreciated and can help with team building.
Sometimes the smallest reward can make the biggest difference. Even something as small as a team email or newsletter that mentions an individual by name and also mentions all the great work they have been doing is enough to encourage a team member to feel rewarded and continue to give their very best in their role. It all makes a difference and will go a long way to creating a motivated team that looks forward to coming work every morning.
Another way to show how much you appreciate your staff is to have an annual party or award dinner. It is a great opportunity for you to thank your team for all their hard work and reward them by presenting awards for the best sales team, best team players and award individuals for what they have achieved throughout the year. It is always good to feel appreciated, and what a great way to end the year by gathering all of your employees together and heaping praise and awards on them. You can guarantee the New Year will start with a team full of energy and smiles.
Big Business Examples
An example of a large business that rewards their employees is the UK supermarket chain Sainsbury's. They have gift vouchers and cards that they give to their employees, with the main objectives being to motivate staff, increase employee engagement, boost productivity and increase sales.
There is an online jobs and career community in America called Glassdoor, and every year they have an Employee's Choice Award to find the best places to work. Employees fill out a survey and submit it to Glassdoor, and you can find out what the top 25 places to work via Forbes. It will be no surprise to see the likes of Facebook (#1) and Google (#6) high on that list. These companies are known for rewarding their employees and working in a very relaxed, informal atmosphere that thrives on creativity and interaction. When there is freedom and encouragement in the workplace, the majority of employees will up their game and love what they do just a little bit more.