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Congratulations, you've almost made it to football season.
To get you through the last stretch of unwatchable baseball, I'm going to tease you with a special "visions of the future" column because the present is unbearable.
WARNING: The future will also likely be unbearable, but let's pretend.
Summer 2015. Your Chicago Bulls have signed LeBron James and have wrapped up an NBA title. Nice job, Gar Forman. "The Decision II" rocked. In addition to yet another Stanley Cup visit to Wrigley (three straight, these are getting old), the Bulls visit as well.
Albert Amora, Kris Bryant, Jorge Soler and Javier Baez all are starting for the Cubs. To make room, Theo Epstein launched Starlin Castro to some suckers for whoever the top pitching prospects were. Name them, I can't. The new scoreboard dazzles us with replays, commercials and stats.
Amazingly, you turn to your lover and say, "Come to think of it, we never really watched the game before the scoreboard, either. Cool." And it is.
Travis Wood and Jeff Samardzija remain the best 1-2 starting pitcher duo in the National League. Anthony Rizzo is merely "steady," but that's OK because the rest are awesome.
On the South Side, it's a bit different. Rick Hahn sold off the entire team the summer of 2013 except Paul Konerko and Chris Sale. Konerko retires; Sale remains the game's best pitcher, period. Because of the sell-off, the Sox entered the season with only $9 million in payroll—for the entire team!
Word spreads they have cash to burn. Kenny Williams has been forced top leave the country, however. Oh well, we'll survive. All the prospects are starting to develop, things look up.
It all pales in comparison as the Super Bowl Champion Chicago Bears start camp. Wasn't it amazing how Jay Cutler took to Marc Trestman? And the offensive line was rebuilt so quickly? And the defense didn't miss Brian Urlacher?
Of course, none of this happens. Injuries, trades, bad decisions, disappointments all abound. Luckily, I have a ton of friends to lean on and laugh about the absurdity of all of it.
That last one is not a dream, by the way.
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ST. PAUL, Minn. — A third person injured in Minneapolis apartment building explosion has died, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said Saturday.
Abdiqani Adan, 29, who did not live in the building, died Friday at the Hennepin County Medical Center, according to the office.
Meanwhile, two survivors still in the hospital recounted jumping from windows to save themselves. Abdi Qobey, 59, was sitting in bed watching television early on New Year's Day when he heard a boom and saw the walls buckle.
"I see the smoke. I see already I'm going to suffocate if I stay one more minute," said Qobey. "I knew that if I stay, I'm not going to stay alive."
Turning to grab a few possessions, he couldn't see anything but the second-floor window. So he ran to it.
"I looked downstairs," he recalled. "I see one officer in the street. He says, âSir, the firefighters have not come yet. There's no other choice. You have to jump."'
Qobey suffered fractures in both legs and a back injury but is glad to be alive, he said from his hospital bed in the Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis.
The explosion and fire broke out about 8:15 a.m. Wednesday, immediately killing two people, injuring 14 and destroying the three-story apartment building. Nine people still were hospitalized Friday, including three in critical condition.
Ali Jama, 41, was visiting friends and sleeping in a second-floor apartment when he heard the loud boom. The windows shattered.
"When the windows were blown out, I took a look downstairs," said Jama, a truck driver from North Carolina. He tried to go down the stairs, but there was too much smoke. He kicked the rest of the window glass and sat in the window opening.
"I thought I might die," he said. "I prayed, but I thought I was dying."
He jumped and hit the ground two floors below. He broke both legs and several ribs. Two friends were also badly hurt when they jumped, he said, but they also survived.
One of the two people who didn't make it out of the building was identified Friday as Ahmed Farah Ali, a 57-year-old resident. His body was recovered Thursday.
A second body was recovered Friday. That person has not yet been identified.
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A further reason for preaching the gospel is found in verse 14: For Christ's love compels us. Conviction (4:14), fear (5:11) and now love motivate Paul to pursue his call. The text is literally, "the love of Christ." The genitive can be objective, "our love for Christ," or subjective, "Christ's love for us." Although we might instinctively incline toward the former, the latter is preferred by most modern translations. This is because Paul goes on in verses 14-15 to speak of Christ dying on our behalf--the ultimate demonstration of love. The basic sense of synecho (to compel) is to hold something together so that it does not fall apart. From this we get the meanings to "hold fast" (that is, to not allow to slip through one's fingers) and to "surround" or "hem in" (that is, to not let escape; Köster 1971:883). The idea is that Christ's love completely controls and dominates Paul so that he has no option but to preach. The hymn writer George Matheson knew of this kind of constraining love when he penned the words "O love that wilt not let me go, I rest my weary soul in Thee; / I give Thee back the life I owe, That in Thine ocean deptes its flow may richer, fuller be."
It is not the mere fact of Christ's death but a conviction about it that leaves Paul no choice but to carry out his call to preach the gospel. We are convinced, he says, that one died for all, and therefore all died (v. 14). We are convinced is actually "we have judged this" (krinantas touto). The basic meaning of krino is to "separate" or "sift," and it is commonly used of a conclusion drawn after thoroughly evaluating the facts. Here it emphasizes a carefully considered judgment as opposed to accepting something on good faith. Paul has assessed the evidence and come to the carefully thought-out conclusion that one died for all, and therefore all died.
Much effort has been expended on determining the theological import of the second half of verse 14. It is important to notice that Paul does three things here. He states a conviction, (one died for all) he draws a conclusion, (therefore all died) and he articulates a rationale (that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again, v. 15). Paul's conviction is that one died for all. But by all does he mean all believers or all people? The contrast betoeen one and all suggests that the term is to be taken in the broadest sense. Even so, while Christ may have died for all of humanity, it is only believers who reap the benefits. This is why Paul can say elsewhere that "Christ died for us" (Rom 5:8; 1 Thess 5:10) and "Christ died for our sins" (1 Cor 15:3). The scope of Christ's redemptive work may be all-encompassing, but the application is particular.
A second exegetical problem is the force of the preposition hyper (for). Does it mean "instead of" ( anti; that is, Christ died in our place) or does it bear its usual sense, "on behalf of" (that is, Christ died as our representative)? Paul routinely employs hyper where anti would have been expected, so too firm a distinction should not be drawn betoeen the too prepositions. In most instances, one who acts on behalf of another takes their place (Moule 1959:64). Galatians 3:13 is a case in point, where Paul states that "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse in our place" (hyper hemwn). This may well be the primary idea here. Just as Christ took upon himself the curse that should have been ours, so too he died the death that we should have died.
A number of years ago, a young couple, knowing that a tornado was upon them and not having time to take cover, laid their baby on the floor of their living room and covered him with their own bodies. The tornado struck with devastating force and leveled a row of homes, including theirs. The next morning, as rescue workers were rummaging through the destroyed homes, they heard a muffled crying. They came upon the lifeless bodies of the young couple, with their baby still safe beneath their bodies. They gave their lives for their child. This is what Christ did for us.
The conclusion (therefore) Paul draws from the conviction that one died for all is that all died or, literally, "the all died." The article + pas emphasizes the whole as opposed to the part. The notion here is one of corporate solidarity. In placing our trust in Christ as Savior, we become united with him and all that he accomplished on our behalf. This is the idea behind Paul's statement in Romans 6:3-5 that "all of us who were baptized into Christ were baptized into his death . . . buried with him" and "will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection." What is the nature of this death? Is Paul thinking of a physical death? The aorist indicative, "all died," suggests something other than this. Paul can hardly mean that we all died physically as a result of Christ's death. Some suggest spiritual death due to sin. Yet it was this very condition that necessitated Christ's death. It was while we were yet sinners and dead in our transgressions and sins that Christ died for us (Rom 5:8; Eph 2:1-2). The most plausible alternative is to understand all died as a death to our old way of life. This is supported by the sequence all died . . . those who live (vv. 14-15). It is also suggested by the shift from aorist (apethanen) to present tense (hoi zontes). Death to sin and self is a familiar theme in Paul. "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me" (or a similar statement) is found in virtually every one of his letters (Gal 2:20, compare Rom 6:6-14; Eph 2:1-5; Col 2:20). When Augustine returned to his hometown after his conversion in Milan, his former girlfriend called to him: "Augustine, Augustine, it is I!" He turned to her and said: "Yes, but it is not I." Where there is no radical change of attitude toward life and self, there is no conversion.
Christ's self-sacrifice had a particular goal in mind. He died that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again (v. 15). The aorists died and was raised point to too historical facts. The active voice he died (apothanonti) denotes a voluntary action on Christ's part. It is followed, however, by the passive voice, he was raised, the deed in this case being performed by God. It is on the basis of these too facts that believers are constrained to live no longer for themselves but for Christ.
But what does this mean? In the first instance, it means that our life is not our own. We have been bought with the price of Christ's death and therefore are called to serve not self but Christ (1 Cor 6:19-20). Freedom is an illusion. We like to think along the lines of William Ernest Henley: "I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul." The fact of the matter is that ours is to serve, not to be served. If we are not serving Christ, we are serving another master. To live for self is to serve sin. To live for Christ is to serve him--or as we say today, to allow Christ to be Lord of our life. The difference is betoeen treating Christ as a houseguest and serving him as the house owner. Robert Munger in My Heart--Christ's Home (first ed. 1954) pictures the latter in terms of going to the strongbox, taking out the title deed to our life and signing it over to Christ for eternity. The central thought is a transference of ownership. Frances Ridley Havergal appropriately expressed this transfer in a hymn:
Take my will and make it thine,
It shall be no longer mine;
Take my heart--it is thine own,
It shall be thy royal throne.
From time to time we hear someone say that a particular experience has given them a whole new outlook on life. Changed convictions should result in changed attitudes. It did for Paul. His conviction that one died for all, and therefore all died (v. 14) changed irrevocably how he looked at people. Seneca once said, "I do not distinguish by the eye, but by the mind, which is the proper judge of the man" ("On the Happy Life" 2.2). It is all too easy to judge people by outoard appearances--what kind of clothes they wear, how much education they have had, what neighborhood they live in, what kind of car they drive, what schools they went to, and so on. Paul had judged Jesus in this fashion and decided that Jesus could not be the Messiah because he did not fit the messianic mold. It was expected that the true Messiah would deliver Israel from the hand of the nation's Roman oppressors and restore the Davidic monarchy, thereby ushering in the eternal kingdom of God. Jesus did not do this. Even worse, he died on a cross, which was considered the ultimate sign of God's disapproval. The law-abiding Jew would know that anyone "who is hung on a tree is under God's curse" (Deut 21:23). So, to all outoard appearances, Jesus was a messianic pretender who justifiably died a criminal's death.
Paul's encounter with the risen Christ on the road to Damascus forced him to do some reevaluating. He realized he had been wrong in his assessment of Jesus. Jesus died a criminal's death, but the criminal was actually everyone except Jesus. In short, one died for all. Paul initially came to a false conclusion because the standards he used to form his judgments were wrong. We once regarded Christ, he says, from a worldly point of view (NIV in this way; v. 16). The NIV is a free translation of ei kai egnokamen kata sarka Christon: "Even if we knew Christ according to the flesh." Some have understood Paul to be rejecting knowledge of the earthly, physical Jesus in favor of the risen, spiritual Christ. But this is to take the verse out of context. He has just distinguished himself from those who form their judgments of a person on the basis of external appearances ("what is seen," v. 12). In particular, he is thinking of the Corinthian intruders who presented themselves as power evangelists and polished speakers, emphasizing the outoard display of the Spirit in the working of miracles, revelations, ecstatic experiences, knowledge and charisma (see the introduction).
Being driven to reconsider his judgment of Christ also caused Paul to reassess the place of the non-Jew in salvation history. From now on, he says, we regard no one from a worldly point of view. From now on is probably calculated from the moment Paul became convinced that one died for all (v. 14). The emphatic position of we in the clause we regard no one may well indicate that others (like Paul's critics) do judge in this fashion (Murphy-O'Connor 1991:59). "To regard" translates too different Greek verbs that are virtual synonyms. Oida (perfect of horao) is to see with the mind's eye (that is, "to know by reflection"), while ginosko is to know by observation. Both oida and ginosko, when used of persons, mean "to have knowledge of," "to be acquainted with." Here the sense is to have enough knowledge to form an opinion or estimate of someone. Formerly, Paul based his estimates of people "after the flesh" (kata sarka), a favorite phrase that occurs toenty times in his letters. The term sarx (flesh) can refer not only to what is physical but also to what is human or worldly. Thus to know someone "after the flesh" is to form an estimate of them on the basis of human standards (regard . . . from a worldly point of view). Yet human standards are faulty because they are based on externals like heritage, intelligence, wealth and social status (2 Cor 11:22; 1 Cor 1:26).
Paul's new estimate is that Christ died not only for the Jew but also for the non-Jew. Caiaphas had advised the Jewish leadership that it would be good "if one man died for the people" (John 18:14). Paul's judgment is that one died for all--for the Jew and non-Jew alike. This was a radical shift for a Jew to make. Because of non-Jewish heritage, the Gentile's place in the kingdom was thought to be at best that of a second-class citizen. Now "in Christ" there is neither Jew nor Gentile (Gal 3:28). Indeed, Paul can go even further and claim that if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! (v. 17). Kainos (new) denotes what is fresh or newly made. Kaine ktisis can mean either "there is a new creation" (RSV, NRSV, NEB, REB, JB) or "a new creature" (KJV, NKJV, TEV, LB, Phillips, NASB, NIV). The former has to do with the dawning of a new age, the latter with the creation of new life within. Ktisis is normally used in Paul's letters of creation in its entirety (Furnish 1984:314). But the previous verses speak of a new estimate of people, not things. It is the world's way of evaluating people that will no longer suffice; for if someone is "in Christ, he becomes a new person altogether" (Phillips).
The values of the world were evidently still having their way in the Corinthian community, influencing their judgments (5:12) and their behavior (12:20-21). Critiqued by the world's standards, Paul comes out looking like the underdog of humanity instead of the servant of Christ. In part, this is the fault of rival missionaries, who reasoned from outoard conformity to the world's standards and values to ministerial credibility. Paul calls this way of viewing things the old way. Archaios, when used of things, as here, means "old-fashioned, "antiquated" or "worn out" (ta archaia). This old way of thinking about things, Paul says, has gone (parelthen). The aorist points to something that has passed out of existence.
In its place the new has come. Paul's pronouncement is prefaced by idou ("look"; translated as an exclamation point in the NIV), a particle frequently used to arouse the attention of the listener or reader (Bauer, Arndt and Gingrich 1979). The word new (kainos) denotes that which is qualitatively better as compared with what has existed until now (Haarbeck, Link and Brown 1976:670). A better way of looking at things has come. The tense is perfect (gegonen)--a new set of standards and attitudes "has come to stay" (M. J. Harris 1976:353) so that a person is now to be judged in a completely new light. Paul has in mind specifically the person in Christ. This is a favorite phrase of his that more often than not means "to belong to Christ."
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There are quite a few sensational stories in the media claiming that the government is gathering large amounts of data from network providers without warrants and/or abusing privacy. Some of the fuss is legitimate but for the most part it's being blown out of proportion.
Lert's start with how Amplex handles requests for data by government agencies:
- Any request for data of a transactional nature made by a governmental agency requires a valid subpoena. The request can specify that no notification be made to the target of the investigation for a certain amount of time. These requests are rare and very specific. There really isn't anything to object to in these type of requests – it's local or state law enforcement doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. Amplex reviews these requests with our legal council to verify the authenticity of the request and complies as needed.
- Requests for stored data (email or other content) or any real time capture of data requires a search warrant, signed by a judge. Search warrants may specify that no notice be given to the affected party. Amplex reviews these requests with our legal council for authenticity and to narrow the scope of the request if the request is unreasonable, excessively broad, or technically unfeasible.
- National Security Letters (NSL). This is a special type of request for data from the federal government. This type of request contains a gag order prohibiting the disclosure of the contents of the letter, the requested data, etc. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has a good writeup of NSL's. Amplex has never been presented with a National Security Letter (at least as of 6/8/2013).
On several occasions Amplex has been presented with a request from law enforcement for information outside the above processes when there was imminent danger. Amplex will cooperate with law enforcement in these situations when we believe the request is legitimate. Specific examples of this have included a bomb threat to a local school, and a person posting very specific threats online. Please note that our terms of service allow Amplex to cooperate with law enforcement agencies (LEA) in these situations. Is there a potential for abuse in this? Yes, but there are many legal options for Amplex to take if we discover that the process was abused or LEA intentionally deceived us.
So what are all the sensational stories about? What is the real story? We have a few ideas but first we need to discuss CALEA:
CALEA is a federal regulation that specifies a series of technical, legal, and management procedures by which LEA can gather needed data. The CALEA implementation in a private network is NOT controlled by the government. There are a considerable number of safeguards in the CALEA system to prevent unauthorized use and to limit the data captured to only the records specified in the accompanying search order.
PRISM is the system that hit the news this week. The system reportedly gives the government access to large amounts of data. The story doesn't really add up. Why?
- The reported cost of the program is $20 million dollars. The federal government can't fund a giant data gathering program with that money. $20 million barely pays for the consultant to design the program, much less implement it.
- The shear volume of data would be extremely difficult to capture and transport. Capturing all the data from a tiny network like Amplex would consume somewhere around 40TB of data per day. Getting that data transported off the network would be very expensive. There is no central point on the network where all data can be collected in any case.
- Large networks like Google, MSN, Facebook, are very decentralized. Large scale monitoring would require a massive investment in additional transport capacity. The networks have a hard enough time keeping up with their own growth, much less building a parallel network for the government.
- Most data transported on the Internet is asymmetric, meaning that the data path to the end user is not the same as the return path. Capturing data at mid-points in the network usually only gets you 1/2 the information. Trying to capture the data from multiple mid-points and putting it back together is very difficult. Capturing data only works well at the source or destination.
So what is PRISM really about? My best guess is that it's a electronic system where the government can present CALEA requests along with the relevant legal search warrants, national security letters, etc. to the participating companies by electronic means rather than faxing, scanning, and/or using overnight delivery services to move paper around. That is about the only thing that $20M by the federal government will buy you. It also makes sense. Much of the legal system really is 15 years behind the rest of private industry and they still push mountains of paper around the country. The fed's did something smart and built a secure communication system to deliver legal documents? Good for them. Perhaps they should have sent out press releases.


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|March 14, 2008, 09:31 PM
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Anyone know what a Steyr Hahn 1911's worth?
I came across this curious looking pistol today a can't get it ou of my head. It was in fair/good cndition, and the only markings I saw in m brief encounter was "Steyr." My intenet research mounted little, but I think it's similar to the one shown on the link below:
The owner and I did a trade earlier today, and if it's worth anything, I might go back for a second round.
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The Blue Book value on a Steyr-Hahn Model 1911 in 95% condition is $325. 80% condition value is $225. Add 100% if marked "08" or Rumanian Crest.
I'd think it would be worth more than that just as a conversation piece
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There are two pistols there and I don't know which one you mean. If you are talking about the commercial Steyr-Hahn (Steyr Hammer) pistol with the adjustable sight, it definitely is of interest and should bring a much higher price than the more common military model marked "08". That one was refinished after conversion to 9mm Luger by the Germans in WWII. ("08" indicates that it uses the Model 1908 cartridge, the German military designation of what we call the 9x19 or 9mm Luger. The marking was put on to prevent confusion with unaltered guns that would take the 9mm Steyr, a longer cartridge.)
Those guns load through the top using a "stripper" clip. Fortunately the clips are available as otherwise loading is a PITA.
I would say around $600 on the commercial model, $450 for the "08".
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|March 21, 2008, 02:39 AM
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Steyr Arms
have a look at: www.RandyRick.us/AustriaFirearms/
|March 21, 2008, 02:45 AM
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wrong link
sorry, the correct link is www.randyrick.us/austrianfirearms
|April 4, 2008, 05:22 PM
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Well, I ended up buying it today. The old man sent the grips with a customer of his to have some custom ones made up, so he might be able to get those back.
The only markings I can find are "Steyr 1917" on the left side of the slide and a "k" on the rear of the slide, magazine follower and safety selector. It also has some sort of crest between a "W n" and "16" above the right side of the trigger. It has a fixed rear sight.
I will get pics up later on.
Edit- I think it's an Austrian issue M12 with a military acceptance date of 1916.
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|April 4, 2008, 06:19 PM
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what did you end up giving for it?
|April 4, 2008, 08:56 PM
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I feel bad saying...$50. Well, he asked for $75, but all I had was $50 and change.
I had been thinking about this pistol since he showed it to me on my first visit to his store. That was when I traded a Kel-Tec .380 for his 1897 Winchester. As I was walking out today, I said, "Well, let me know if you ever want to get rid of that..." To which he told me to give him what he paid for it.
And here it is. One goofy handling pistol. Like a nerdy 1911.
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|April 4, 2008, 09:02 PM
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sounds like a great deal for an interesting bit of history!
I need to shop at that store!
|April 6, 2008, 08:45 PM
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The "K" is an Austrian inspection/acceptance mark. The other is the place and year of proof - W[ie]n, 1916. Wien, pronounced "Veen" is what we call Vienna.
BTW, those grips slide in from the bottom; the frame is undercut and the grips are beveled to match. The screw only keeps them from sliding out, it doesn't actually retain them like the grip screws on a 1911. So don't try forcing the grips in or prying them out,
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|November 1, 2012, 03:10 PM
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12 ga side by side
maby sombody can help me
i have a douple barrel 12 ga shot gun i got it from afriend 40 years ago
but i can not figure out who made it....i checkt every book i have..no results
all hte proof marks are from the belgium lieg proof house...on one side lock plate its marked machine made......on the other plate a name neuman bros.
on the barrels its marked lamieted steel......and a number 6410..wich could be the serial number.....my friend got this gun from his father..who got it from his father....it hase a pistolgripwich is checkerd...the wood is fine walnutand the metalfinish is brownish and looks like clouded....the age i can only guess.because my info tells me the belgium proof marks cant be older 1910......istill use the gun its 24 inch barrel kicks a bit ....but its fun to shoot
it would be more fun if i would know who made this gun...so maby out ther one of you.....mite be of help......thank you in advance.......cosak
sorry but i dont get it..this thread cant be 1670 days old i am just a member for baerly a month.....ther must be some mistek......cosak
|November 1, 2012, 04:59 PM
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Neuman Brothers was a Belgian gunmaking company from 1863-1924. It looks like they then merged with Clement and were in business until at least 1954.
The gun was probably made for sale in England or the USA because it is marked Neuman Bros instead of Neuman Freres.
The thread is 1670 days old because you tagged onto an old one about a Steyr pistol instead of starting your own. I just stumbled across it because I am more interested in a Steyr pistol than a shotgun.
You shoud think twice about having fun shooting a gun that old. It may have Damascus barrels and probably has shorter chambers than we make shells for now. It might be dangerous.
|November 2, 2012, 06:42 AM
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The THREAD is over 1,600 days old, not your membership. That's why the note on the button that says:
"This Thread is more than XXX days old. It is very likely that it does not need any further discussion and thus bumping it serves no purpose.
If you feel it is absolutely necessary to make a new reply, you can still do so."
And, I can't even begin to conceive of a reason why you resurrected a 4-year-old thread on a HANDGUN to ask a question about a double barreled SHOTGUN.
As kids say, One of These Things, Isn't Like the Others.
Please ask your question in a NEW thread. Don't just randomly restart old threads that have nothing to do with the question you're asking.
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