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2012 Acura TL
I am happy behind the wheel of my 2012 TL SH-AWD Advance. Even the exterior, from certain angles, is no longer replusive. The interior gets an A-, but it too needs a refresh, IMHO.
So, with but 32 payments on the 36 month lease to go -- I wonder if Acura really will "advance" their image and, more importantly, their products. The 2012 TL is somewhat of a statement, perhaps somewhat like the current gen CTS was for Cadillac a couple of years ago.
Somehow, I think Acura is kind of like the Buick in the Premium class. That is, both Acura and Buick WANT you to think of them as Premium cars and they are doing some things to "advance" that notion.
But, both of these brands are on the bubble as far as I can tell -- what the hell does Acura stand for anymore? What is the point of the ZDX and the RL currently, or who is the target buyer of these models. The RDX has way too much Honda in it to be taken seriously, I think. The TSX is already known to be next up to be ditched and there is, apparently, a new RSX coming -- hopefully it will not show its relationship to Honda loudly.
If the TL is any indication of what Acura can build, well, congratulations -- good job, etc. But one car needs to be followed by another and another and another. My dealer basically lives to sell MDX's apparently. The '12 TL may be turning that around, but I think most people look at Acura has being kind of a one trick pony and that is the MDX.
Nice as the MDX and '12 TL cars are, there has to be a next chapter.
Anyone have any ideas what is in the '14, '15 pipeline?0
There will be lots of new product, starting with a Civic platform based luxury compact, named ILX, in 2012, to replace the TSX. Also for next year, there will be a new, larger RL, and in 2013 a new generation TL. And, there's more. For more details check AutoWeek.0
I visted my dealer, Saturday, for my first service interal (oil, tires rotated, etc.). While I was there, I spoke with their sales manager who had just returned from Las Vegas for one of the Acura meetings that are held during the year.
Apparently the product line will be moving away from the "based on Honda" theme -- Acura will ultimately become a unique car company. Once again, I think this is Acura following the Audi (VW) approach. The Acuras coming will still be based on Honda products, near term, but the next things coming will not be simply upscale Hondas -- nice as that can be.
The NSX is coming and it will be a hybrid with gobs of performance -- a halo car; again somewhat like the Audi model (although the NSX powerplant will be based on 6 cylinders and four electric motors, rather than the R8 approach).
Moreover, the TL will get bigger (A6 rival), the RL will get to A8L size and there will be a new entry level car called the ISX, not the RSX. The TSX will soldier on at least for a few more years and become more of an A4 rival, apparently.
One Honda attribute, so to speak, will continue -- "high value." Apparently that means that the RL will cost less than an A8 but more than a Hyundai Equus (is that spelled correctly?) -- back to the original Acura roots, perhaps?
In any case the sales manager seemed pumped and encouraged by the corporate meeting's revelations -- and they also got to see the trailer of the Avengers where Tony Stark's ride is now an Acura, not an Audi.
Hmm, a bigger TL? Let's hope there is a sport package option that will add both trim and tune (to the suspension and engine).0
Sounds intresting- I am keeping the RL on my short list for 2013 (If I decide to trade up, I hope the pricing does not get riduculous.
According to this article:
Acura is planning on abandoning its quest for top-tier Premium car status and will, instead, move to the middle-tier.
OK, here is what my pea-brain comes up with (questions):
Are there three widely recognized tiers in the Premium segment (first or entry level, mid-tier and top tier)? If so, what cars are in each tier and who is the source of this information?
I would assume, for instance (and this is historic data, perhaps not current), that Audi, BMW, Cadillac (limited to the CTS, I assume) Infiniti, Lexus and Mercedes are considered Premium cars and perhaps are all top-tier. Acura seems to be willing to say they cannot or choose not to strive to be a card-carrying member of this group.
The only other tier I can even imagine, now, would be "not the top-tier" Premium and it would include Acura and Volvo. I imagine that some would want to include Buick (for example) as a Premium member, but I would think they are more of a Premium wanna be (although give them a couple more years and MAYBE they could enter the Premium class).
If I am correct -- which is not a certainty -- I would like to know if there are brands that are thought of as Premium, but "not the top tier" and "not even in the not the top tier" -- are there brands that are considered Premium but are considered in the first level (of 3).
Or is Acura attempting to define itself as a Premium brand but not the top o' the heap Premium, sort of a "lesser Premium" brand?
In any case the question stands -- are there three Premium tiers, and if so, what brands get to call themselves members of which tier.
Acura may, for all I know, be attempting to define mid-tier Premium.
You raise some interesting marketing issues.
I think a current problem for Acura cars is that many consumers don't know what they stand for. That wasn't the case through the '08 model year, when Acura's positioning was clearly of an entry level luxury brand that offered exceptional value. The exception to that may have been the RL, which never fulfilled its "gotta have it" promise. Other than that the Integra, RSX, (first generation) TSX and TL were appealing products. They were targeted at specific market segments, which buyers understood.
I don't want to paint a black and white picture. Acura cars didn't do a 180 degree turn from the bullseye, but I think it's fair to say that, while still on the target (maybe), they've moved far enough away from the bullseye to cause considerable confusion among many shoppers.0
dougsilver Posts: 62We recently replaced my wife's 2000 TL with a 2012 TL. Actually, while the 2000 served us flawlessly for 12 years we were not really considering another one since there was so much noise being made by the competition like Lexus and Genesis. Still, after driving those we decided to also test drive the TL. Boy, what a wake-up call. It was so much sportier and BMW-like in its drive that it was a no brainer. The problem is that Acura doesn't advertise much and toot their horn as loudly as they should.
Acura's 2012 TL SH-AWD could be a wake up call for BMW and Audi if they believe their customers include VALUE or CONTENT FOR COST in their list of qualifiers (for purchase) -- which their customers may (but how much weight do Audi and BMW buyers place on value?)
I say this as a long time Audi owner/driver and also my wife has had 3 BMW's to boot. I ended up NOT with the car I wanted (a 2012 Audi A4 Prestige/Sport), but with the car that gave me the greatest value.
I believe Audi's implementation of AWD is better than Acura's -- then again the Audi did not have torque vectoring (and it was not available on the A4, only the far more expensive S4), and the Acura comes standard with it as long as you go AWD. So, while the RWD bias of the Audi is desirable, the entire engine, transmission deployment in the TL seems of incredibly high value (4 vs 6 cylinders, 211 HP vs 305, no torque vectoring vs torque vectoring.)
I believe the Audi is beautiful, inside and out -- the Acura's nose and butt job helped quite a bit, but the Audi is the looker. The Acura's interior is very good, but then again the Audi's is excellent -- yet the Acura gets the VALUE nod again, you gets a lot with the Acura, you CAN gets a lot with the Audi -- for big bucks.
The Audi has an 8-speed transmission, the Acura a 6-speed. Now, everything else the same, the 8-speed would be compelling; but the Audi has to make do in the under $50K price range with a four cylinder engine, that is very smooth and very torque-y, but it's up against Acura's also buttery smooth six cyliner engine that puts out nearly another 100HP and more torque, too. So, despite my wish for an 8-speed, the combination of engine and transmission in the Acura won me over (again the operative word is VALUE or CONTENT FOR THE PRICE).
Now, at 7,000 miles on the TL, I find it does a very good job of feeling nearly as taught and buttoned down as an Audi or BMW -- and the SH-AWD nearly removes the understeer and the nose heavy feel the Acura has every right to have (but doesn't, at least in SH-AWD and Advance trim -- which includes 19" shoes.)
Acura will survive without me if I don't re-up in 32 months, but so far only an attractive VALUE from a German brand (er, Audi or BMW) will really get my attention. Why?
I can't use all of the performance of a 211HP Audi A4 Sport, let alone use all of the power (and performance) of the Acura TL SH-AWD Advance -- but I want to have it, if possible, regardless of its country of origin.
The A4 would cruise all day long at 100MPH (if you could find a place that you could drive that fast for long periods) -- but so will the Acura.
The A4 does "go like a snake in a rat hole" (my wife's phrase, giving credit), the Acura is close, but not quite as "snakey" in the twisties. But to discern the difference, you have to go well over 80% to notice the Audi's better handling. Frankly, around here if you go that fast and push that hard it is very likely you will be heard saying ". . .well officer. . . ."
So, for the money, the TL (at the level of equipment I have, at least) does a great job of feeling like a credible entry-level luxury performance car. The Acura leans a little to the lux side and the Audi (or the BMW, for sure) leans to the performance side.
The Acura, however, gives you what prices out to be about $10,000+ more car than comparably contented A4's and 3 series cars.
I was pleasantly surprised. :surprise:0
luv_acura Posts: 1Have a big Dilema, I have a 2009 Acura 2009 SH AWD, Love my car so much, the drive, handling and looks are so incredible. My Dealer is offering to take me out of my lease and put me in a 2012 TL SH AWD Premium. I am at a crossroads if I should go for it, I am not so crazy about the nose on the new one, I still get people giving me a thumbs up when my car is all clean and detailed. Mine is the Blue color that really stands out. Any body out there can give me a reason to change except for the 6 speed transmission.0
You haven't really given enough info to enable me to make a statement for or against, so I'll present facts and opinions that may prove useful. The 6 speed is a pretty big deal, but much of the car remains pretty much the same in the '12, so I've been told. I do believe that newer is generally better.
Can you get any color and interior combo you want or do you have to take something they offer, period?
What is an AWD Premium, there are, as far as I know three versions of the car:
And, with the AWD you do get the very nice 3.7L engine (305HP), which with the 6-speed auto is sweeet.
If, by Premium, you would be getting an Advance model, you will get: 19" wheels (they do look great); heated and cooled front seats; and, to me the most important feature -- blind spot warning.
The '12 is said to have been made much quieter than the previous models.
The '12 Advance now uses V rated all-season tires, rather than summer only tires as in prior years.
I am, very happy with mine -- and if the price was good, certainly the ability to get out of your lease early (without penalty, I am assuming) is attractive, especially if you can get that Blue color you like.
I hope these factoids and opinionoids were helpful. :shades:0
Yup, they are trying to get me to trade up for the 2012 too- I also have the 2009 AWD TECH. My salesman keeps sending me reminders that he has a wonderful deal for me- yeah right, I know I would be paying for two cars but he makes it seems as if they would eat the remaining 2+ years of payments. I would advise you to keep your 2009, it has subtle details that are lacking on the 2012 like the follwing-chrome strip door handles and faux double quad pipes, these items really brings out the splendor in the car.0
chuowc Posts: 3Just leased another 2012 TL w Technology (not SH-AWD), formally had a 2009 (same) model. A few things noted:
1. The highway ride is definitely much smoother than before - both in acceleration and speed, thanks to the 6 speed transmission. You can overtake quite effortlessly, careful not to get a ticket though, it's a fast car! I'm sure the SH-AWD handles better.
2. Despite the powerful engine, it saves more gas! 20/29 vs. 18/26 miles (SH-AWD improved as well), not too shabby for a 3.5L.
3. The software and dash button layout is improved, i.e.: added a physical Phone button, renamed "Menu" button to "Destination", which makes more sense. My dealer says it has better voice recognition, I haven't tried it out.
4. The exterior door handles are now the same with body color. The interior door opener is now metal.
5. The nose & the butt – they make that front shield smaller to conform to the look of other models. The contour warps around better. Honestly, I still like the older TL, it just looks bolder and more aggressive, hate it or love it.
6. And yes, it is quieter. I love it.0
shaymasdaddy06 Posts: 17I recommend keeping the '09. The distinctiveness of the TL is lost with the '12. Unless you get the TL SH-AWD Advance pkg, you can't tell the difference between a regular TL Tech and the TL Tech SH-AWD until you see the SH-AWD sign on the back. The quad exhaust is what makes the TL SH-AWD. Everytime I see a '12 TL, it looks bland and reminds me of the Lexus ES350. Just my 2 cents....0
may17 Posts: 2I have also had battery issues with my TL AWD 2012. I purchased in April 2011 and started having the "Low Battery" alarm in September. My battery failed in November and January. They have no answers. I have it in the dealer again as we speak to have it checked out. Very frustrating. I have contacted Acura customer Service 3 times to document issues. I keep getting asked how often I drive it. I sometimes do not drive it on the weekends and no matter it should not have battery issues. I love the car, but this is very frustrating.0
I have two vehicles that I drive and one of them sits in the driveway for sometimes several weeks without being started. No problems. I've had cars that have went two or three months between starts(during military deployments) and still had no problem starting. There is no excuse for what you're experiencing in regards to how often you drive it. When they ask you that....ask them why? It should make no difference.0
My 2012 TL SH-AWD, made in April 2011, has the same issue. The car did start easily. I then drove it to charge the battery. The next day I brought the TL to the dealer. The service advisor told that it's a false positive and not to worry. He showed me how to unclip the sensor from the battery to reset the sensor.
I don't trust the TL now. Acura ought to recall the cars.0
Recall the car for a battery!!!!!!0
It's not a safety issue. It's a matter of reliability. The battery, for all I know, is fine. The model's electronics are flawed and render the car inoperable.0
What other electronics if I may ask.
I have the 2009 AWD TECH and I have not a single issue with the car.
I just did my second oil change and 1st differential fluid change on Monday. The service manager asked if my car was new.0
I have the 2009 AWD TECH and I have not a single issue with the car.
Glad to hear it but your survey of "1" doesn't mean that some other people's TLs don't have an electrical problem with the charging circuit or something. Most vehicles that end up having a recall to check or fix something don't have a problem either. It's usually only a few that have actually have a glitch. There may be a production run that got some bad parts or a problem with intalling some parts.0
Glad to see your interest maybe you can start lobbying for more owners with this issue.0
I'll pass on that. I think now that they know that you haven't had any problems they realize they were imagining their electrical problems. Good job.0
knock on wood.0
Mark - first just wanted to say thanks for your well written and insightful posts on here. I'm currently looking to dump my V6 2005 Accord Coupe and I'm torn between the A4 and the TL AWD. I agree that unquestionably the TL is a better value, but there is just something so silky smooth and seductive about the A4.
Could you (or any 2012 TL owner) comment specifically on the technology in the TL AWD Tech? My salesman was terrible on the test drive and couldn't work the hands free link and made the nav seem like it was impossible to use. The Audi Tech was great, but with the a la carte pricing it was getting a little ridiculous.
joeldavid1 Posts: 10salesmen said not to worry about it as no effect on warranty....just sold my 05 Acura privatly and been test driving Audi A4 for last 24 hours..nice ride but do I go with what I know in 2012 Acura TL or worry about expensive repairs on Audi A4..leaning toward Acura0
lobito17 Posts: 20From a technology perspective, I think you'll be very happy with the TL and that it is actually an advantage over the Audi. To put it in perspective, I am currently debating between a TL and an Audi A6, and it is precisely the technology in the TL that is causing me to lean in that direction. The Audi is simply too, too much, although I love the dual display with the slimmed down info screen (nav, radio, compass, etc) appearing in the "main" dashboard in addition to appearing in the separate pop up screen.
Some background: I have owned a 2004, 2006 and, currently, 2009 TL. I am looking at 2012. I have exhaustively gone over the technology changes between 2009 and 2012, as this is really important to me.
The navigation is very good, albeit still a little clunky to add addresses. But it really works well.
Acura's Ipod interface is by far the best of any car in the market. They solved a major problem from the 2009 by adding alphabetic "break points" to the lists of songs/artists/albums. In my current 2009, if I want to listen to the Rolling Stones, I have to start at "A" and turn the knob a thousand times while it scrolls to the "R's". (I have a lot of music on my ipod!) In the 2012, you can jump from A-E; F-L; M-S, etc. and then scroll from there, which cuts time massively. Also, they now have the ability to play a song or an album by voice command and it seemed to work ok.
The voice commands in Acuras have always been great, and I think they've continued it in the 2012. You can change radio stations, set temperature, dial phone, etc. all by voice and it actually works. I can't believe your salesman couldn't get it to work. The one bummer I noticed with the 2012 is that now you have to press the "talk" button twice instead of once before giving commands. Not sure why they did that.
Another very cool feature if you are into music is the ability to "mark" a song on the go. If you hear a tune on XM radio that you like, you just hit a button and it records the artist, song title and a 10 second clip. You can store up to 30 of these and then write them down later for purchasing on Itunes or wherever. Very handy for us music junkies.
The Audi technology is also great, but it's overkill IMHO. There are menus upon menus, and even with the touchpad MMI system they have, it's a challenge. All in all, I am much more a fan of the Acura in this department.
For the record, you hear a lot of car enthusiasts trashing the TL's abundance of buttons, but I think they are wrong. The large center dial is a really good tool, and I find that I can navigate everything without taking my eyes off the road. With the Audi, the opposite seems true.
I'm still conflicted about which car to buy. The Audi A6 is a superior car, but it's 20k more and, like I said, I really prefer the TL technology package.
Good luck with your search and decision0
Thanks for all of the feedback on the TL Technology. I couldn't have been less impressed with the hands free voice control, but as I mentioned I think it was mainly due to the salesman acting like he's never used the technology before.
The A6 vs TL dilemma is much harder and I know the A6 has even more technology in it than the A4 that I was looking at. What I really disliked about the Audi technology is the fact that you have to press multiple buttons to get anything done. Changing the heated seats or using the "tune" dial on the radio requires first finding the option on the MMI and then twisting to adjust.
I ended up making a decision finally and I went with a lease on the Infiniti G37x. I went in for a test drive and got some price quotes and was shocked that the lease pricing was $100 cheaper per month than the A4 with less money down. The engine/transmission are nowhere near as smooth as the A4 or TL, but I thought the level technology in the G37 was just right. The interface screen was easier to use than the TL and you can have a backup camera without needing Nav.
Good luck with your decision - I don't think you can go wrong with either the TL or A6.0
I'll add a bit more to the technology discussion. I find using the telephone via hands free, eyes free, to be much more of a process with the TL than the Audi. I also find storing numbers and voice tags to be more time consuming with the TL -- and I have yet to figure out once you have loaded in dozens of voice commands how to list them so that you can remember what you called infrequently dialed numbers.
With the Audi, you say "telephone" -- the system is now primed for your command. Next you say "Call office" and that's it.
With the Acura you say "telephone" -- the system is now primed for your command. Next you say "Dial by voice tag" -- the system now displays a screen (and depending on what mode you have the voice response system programmed to use it tells you to press the talk button and say the name of the voice tag.)
You do that and then the system waits -- for Godot?
You then press the talk button again and say "Dial" -- finally you are making the call.
My wife's 2011 Infiniti is even worse it tells you over and over and over each step (and this is with the voice system set to expert mode) to follow.
The Audi had far far fewer commands, but it seemed more, er, "logical."
There are times, too, when I use the Dial number by voice that numbers are inserted in the middle of a string of numbers, thus requiring you to go back and start over. The Audi would only accept 7 numbers at once, and you had to say them really fast or the memory filled up; with the Acura you CAN say all 10 at once and it never seems to run out of memory -- but if you pause a moment while spouting out your ten digit number, it is not uncommon for the number 1234567890 to be interpreted as 12304567890, and you have to do it over.
The Acura doesn't have a touch screen -- but the A4 doesn't either. The Infiniti does, which makes many tasks easier (or at least shorter) since you just press the screen itself instead of going through layer after layer like you need to do on an Acura or a BMW.
There are so many voice commands on the Acura it is mind boggling -- so it may be the 80 20 rule here, but that is not a bad thing.
The Audi is more limited in the things it does, but this may be a case of simplicity wins the day.
Overall the Acura's tech (voice) is superior -- but there are just a few annoying things. You can deactivate some of the help text and some of the constant voice prompts and voice feedback replies -- so that when you say "Temperature 67" you can have it parrot back (in its voice) what you said or just have it do it without telling you what you just asked for. You can say "Rear defrost on" etc, can't do that on the Audi.
You can say "what time is it?" in the Acura, but only if you don't have the voice prompts turned off -- this is particularly annoying since the Acura does not have a clock (don't respond that it does have a clock -- cause if you think that teenie weenie non-distinct digital readout in the thin ribbon of the Radio Info readout, is a proper clock for a $46,000+ car, you're nuts.) How much would a clock cost for pity's sake? How about a digital repeater on the Nav screen or a repeater (in an alternative color) digital read out on the speedo or tach?
Let me pull back for a moment, my critique of the Acura may lead you to believe I regret getting it -- that is NOT the case. Now, having said that, if the price of the Audi A4 equipped like the Acura SH-AWD Advance, would have been on par with the Acura, I might have gone ahead and gotten Audi #30. But the Acura is such a high value, I don't know ANY European or American Brand that can touch it -- when contented similarly.
Then, too, you factor in the 305 HP, the SH-AWD (torque vectoring) and the 19" wheels, vented seats, blind spot warning and the best sound system ever made in a car mere mortals can afford -- and well, the Acura wins.
The Acura is poorly marketed, on the verge of being one of the ugliest cars ever to come out of the mind of a human being and the interior needs to be de-Honda'd -- but I added parktronic and 4 splash guards to my Advance SH-AWD and the price was (before discount) north of $47K -- I got 13% off of the $45,960K sticker. I wanted white with the umber interior (you can't bribe them to produce one).
The Audi can be had any way you want it -- and I have always ordered Audis and waited the 3 months for them to come in. Acura buyers have no patience -- so ordering is, apparently, "just not done" (well hardly ever).
I have enjoyed 29 Audis of all ilks since 1977. I am enjoying my '12 TL and will shop for another Acura in 27 months from now. Having said that, I'll also shop Audi, BMW, Infiniti and even Cadillac.
One last thing, the Acura "engine sound" at full-cry is better than the Audi's -- by far. Too bad the Acura doesn't have a really nice 8-spd auto transmission like the Audi.
Drive it like YOU live. :surprise:0
My 2012 Acura TL SH-AWD is almost 11 months old, has been driven almost 14,000 miles, and has 410 days to go till the lease expires. I can't wait.
First the good. The engine and transmission are superb. The all-wheel-drive performs well. The sound system is first-class. The seats are comfortable. Roadholding and handling can be so good, if the car has high-performance summer tires, as my TL once had. Properly shod, the TL SH-AWD with Advance Package is fun to drive. The folks at the huge Acura dealer are unfailingly polite. Reliability has good other than a failed battery and a failed air-conditioning system.
Now the bad. The TL places form, that is, styling, before function and that includes safety. The outward visibility is dangerously limited. I have had three near accidents because the blind spots are huge, not to mention the long, wide hood and the front's low ground clearance. The trunk is small, hard to load, has a high lift-over, and is awkwardly proportioned, not to mention that the rear deck lid has a nasty point at its center. Be sure to raise the deck lid to its maximum height! Entry and exit to the rear passenger compartment isn't easy for many folks. The air-conditioning system failed due to lack of refrigerant and because the dealer couldn't find anything wrong, he charged me $151.33 and said that there was no warranty coverage as the car has more than 12,000 miles. (I will pursue this issue with the dealer's management and Acura.) The battery has been replaced under warranty. An irksome rattle was allegedly cured under warranty by adding insulation to the trunk. On the 19-inch Goodyear Eagle tires road noise is excessive and grip is low. The instrument panels are highly styled to a fare-thee-well at the expense of ease of use; try to find the clock.
I drove a 2012 Acura TX sportswagon and found it nimble and pleasing to drive. It made the TL seem clumsy by contrast.
I had considered and drove several new cars, including an Audi A6, Infinite M37 and M56, BMW 535ix and Volvo S80 and S60 T6, before I chose the Acura TL because of its reputation for reliability, good performance, and price.
I won't miss my 2012 Acura TL SH-AWD.
2012 TL SH-AWD with Tech and Advance Packages. Bellanova white pearl paint and taupe interior.0
I thought you had a blind spot warning on the advance package.
I have the 2009 awd tech-diamond white pearl with the ebony interior-No mechancal or cosmetic issues in all 31 months of ownership.0


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Quarter Life Crisis?
When I moved to a different city, I wanted to cling on to my old life to an extent, but, I was also excited about going to a new place. Same thing for school, I knew I'd miss my friends and the school setting, but going to college was extremely exciting.. now, graduating from college.. I dont really know how much I have to look forward to. No more late nights, no more stupidity.. Even in the event I get a great high paying job, good house etc etc, will I actually enjoy any of it? Or will it just be a struggle everyday, and going home just a way to get out of work? Basically, is the best time of my life over? What do I really have to look forward to now?
...Is what I've found what a lot of people think ( or something along the same lines). I myself am a little frightened by the uncertainty - This uncertainty is different, not like when I was going to college, when it was filled with excitement. Whats more, we ourselves are aging, and we might not have the same kind of energy we used to. When is the next time I'll be able to travel again? Will I be able to at all for a while?.. are questions that are coming up more often than id like. I dont know, I guess because working people now days have such hectic work lives, going and working just doesnt seem appealing at all.
Dont get me wrong, it isnt the end of the world, we all have to suck it up and do it at some point or the other. It's just that, things shouldnt look so bleak should they? There are plenty of things to do, things to fulfill right? I'm sure there are, even if things seem bad right now.
This forum is filled with people of a wide range of ages, kids in high school, college, and everyday working people - What are your insights about this, and what were your experiences?
|2009-05-06, 23:31
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: Riyadh.
Age: 30
Well, I am about to graduate from college to, and soon getting a full-time job too, and I must say I kinda felt the same fears as you.
But of course there's always something to look forward to, you can always put a goal to achieve through what you earn from your job (Car, Dream vacation, Espresso coffee machine ;D).
There will be more late nights of course, and there will be more stupidity, not just because you're older means that you can't have that anymore.
Uncertainty? Maybe, but you could just kill it by putting a goal to achieve, and don't allow yourself to age so early, some get to 40 yet they still feel like they're 20.
There are plenty of things to do yes, there are things to fulfill yes. Don't give up yet.
(Personally I wanna go to space later on in life.)
Edit: These are the words of a person who just woke up, I hope they help in a way. x)
|2009-05-06, 23:39
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: PMB Headquarters
An Advice from Kira01
I have heard of the mid-life crisis, but never have I heard of the quarter-life crisis. I guess its pretty much the same thing, hearing what you have been through..
If you have graduated with a degree and that you now have a good-paying job along with a house, etc... It generally means that life is going pretty smooth and well for you. Of course, the job you have may not be the one you like or seek but that can't be helped as long as its paying you pretty well.
Although I plan on becoming a journalist who specializes in politics and international affairs but if I don't qualify due to a missing college degree, I don't mind ending up with the huge "freeter" crowd. There isn't much uncertainty.. The general concept is pretty much you study for a better job and one way or the other, you will get a job, work and find your path. Some aim low, some aim high, in the end.. Its all the same.
I have to tell you though. Once you settle down on a job, it is entirely possible that you will stuck in the same career for the rest of your life. However, if you choose to wait for an occupation you actually like, chances are that you will be joining the unfortunate bunch who are suffering from the financial crisis. That'd actually be a lot worse..
What I am trying to say is that don't think too much about that trivial uncertainty of yours. Of course, life during your college days will never be the same after it passes by. Welcome to the world of the adults sonny! It is only natural that you go to work and come back home everyday after the work, there really isn't much to it. Its called "life".
What you should be looking forward now is to work hard and hope for an early retirement. Of course, if you are ambitious, you would probably attempt to aim high by seeking multiple promotions, such as transferring to other companies, etc and continue looking upward. However, that way of life may be quite stressful and busy, so its your call..
|2009-05-07, 00:15
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Pretentious moe scholar
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Age: 31
I have to admit that I've been dreading this kind of thing too, and I'm still about a year or so from getting my undergrad.
In my case, it's not so much a matter of worrying about jobs and such - I still live with my parents, so it's not like I'm going to have trouble making ends meet if I'm unemployed for a bit. And I'll actually be glad to leave set your own schedule university life behind for what will hopefully be a more structured job, since I always had a bit of a problem with wasting far too much time procrastinating without actually having fun doing it, even if I always did get things done in the end.
My worry is more just where I'm going to meet the same kind of interesting, slightly nerdy people I meet at university. Yeah, I know that there's plenty of interesting social groups outside of university campuses, but I still can't stop worrying about it.
|2009-05-07, 00:20
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Bearly Legal
Join Date: Jun 2004
You're alive and healthy that's a good thing to begin with. There's lots of ups and lows in life, right now, you just started on a different lifestyle so it's inevitable things look a bit scary.
Recession comes and goes so don't get discouraged by the current lack of prospect. Old friends might drift apart but you ll meet more new friends. Travelling though is a bit harder to arrange between friends due to work schedule but you ll have more choice and options.
Anyway, life after college isnt just work and work
|2009-05-07, 00:55
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Obey the Darkly Cute ...
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ...
Age: 61
good lord.... what is with the "its all over" o.O If your parents were lumps --- don't be a lump. Get out there and do stuff. Don't let your work define you.
I'm 52 in August ---
My older son and I are re-activating our SCA memberships, polishing our armor and our weapon techniques.
Um, I took up learning Japanese about 3 years ago.
I used to do AI research and system simulation in the 80s... I still tinker with various sorts of AI and keep up with the latest in AI/robotics.
My wife and I travel... we do home improvement projects... we have a cluttered mess of a house with all our hobbies. We go out with our friends. We have overlapping but not synchronized interests and friends.
A few months ago, I got tired of being 225lbs of not entirely muscle and have dropped 20lbs (eat less move faster). My wife has toned up and gone back to 95lbs from 100lbs.
We do volunteer work. We go to conventions, plays, festivals...
Here's some suckage.... I'm working on career #3. I spent about 17 years engineering, about about 10 doing internet and network security, and now I'm a full time college student trying to get a teaching certificate. Something a bit harder to outsource. My wife is luckier --- her profession seems firmly entrenched.
More suckage... hair turned grey (still long... just grey).
Worst suckage... my dad's face haunts my mirror (ok, a scarier version of him).
Things to watch out for -- when you leave university, it will be tougher to connect with people who have your hobbies. You can't be passive about it whether its gaming, D&D, sci-fi, anime, SCA, sky-diving, gardening, whatever.
Do not waste your time with negative people -- people who denigrate that which they don't understand, or makes them insecure, etc.
Hope that didn't come off as shouting -- really, what happens is largely dependent on you creating the conditions for opportunities.
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|2009-05-07, 01:03
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Observer/Bookman wannabe
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 33
Well, I may be heading off to the job market if I'm not lucky enough to stay for another sem in my university.
Thing is: Don't jump to conclusions too quickly. What may seem good at the beginning may turn out to be bad, and vice-versa. Don't sweat the small stuff. Of course, if you're already married and with kids, things get more complicated.
|2009-05-07, 02:31
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Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
How should I say this.. its no more a question of getting out of college with high hopes and finding out real life isnt all fun and games. Its getting out of college thinking that life afterwards has NO fun and games.. when it probably isnt the case.. It isnt because of the recession ; thats a recent thing, though I guess it might have something to do with it. Going into a job market with bright prospects does seem.. kind of exciting atleast, but certainly less than going to college for example.
Bah, this isnt even a very big problem - its not depression or fear, more like uncertainty. in that way, its not really a 'crisis'. I thought it would be an interesting idea to bring it up at asuki, since a lot of people I know feel similarily.
well then again, I'm saying that before graduating, I can imagine plenty of people in their twenties or thirties whose lives just didnt work out the way they wanted.
I think, just like with a lot of problems of similar nature - I (we) might just need a simple 'things will be fine' or 'dont worry so much, there IS life after college'. well, what I would like to hear ( and do hear to an extent ) is that its ok, it might not be better, but its different, and its more than just grind and frustration. I guess when you see the way a lot of young guy work, you do kind of get a picture of working life being completely work. At any rate, I feel better writing this. graduating in a week -a bit of curiousity has replaced some of the fear
|2009-05-07, 03:30
|Link #9
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: God only knows
Well, first of all, congratulations for graduating.
Getting into the job after school is for most people not easy. The list is long, what could go wrong but thats just, what people imagine.
My friends told me, when they started working, that they were unsure in decisions and sometimes forgot some things, they had to do. But after like 2 month, they learnt a lot, feel better in this company, became friends with the co-workers and felt a lot better.
I think you simply need some time to get used to your job and then you will like it. When this step is done, you will see, that its actually easier, than you thought.
So, keep your head up.
|2009-05-07, 06:10
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Feeling comfy
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 43
I wonder if posts like these are a sign of an important demographic shift? There's a whole new generation of teenagers, up the 20 year olds, who don't remember a time with no Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Google, Wikipedia or, gasp, the World Wide Web. And, now, they are about to enter the big, bad world of adults, which they had, up to now, been fond of mocking instead.
To a certain extent, I can relate with these feelings of trepidation. I may not be a spring chicken any more, but I've not yet gone so grey that I've forgotten what it was like to be young and clueless.
Nonetheless, I know the feeling of sudden isolation. Through primary to secondary schools, and then to junior college (the equivalent of American colleges' freshman and sophomore years), my life revolved around my classmates, my friends in school clubs and my teachers.
Being a loner of sorts, I never did make many friends around my neighbourhood. Nor did I venture much beyond the comfort of school activities.
Then came military National Service, when I was ripped away from the familiar school environment for the first time in my life, and thrown into a mix of young Singaporeans from literally all walks of life. Some were boys from schools whose cultures were very different from the ones I'd attended. Others were kids from broken families and rough neighbourhoods.
I'd never felt as lost as I did then. This was a time before mobile phones, when calling someone meant having to queue for hours to use a solitary public phone (yes, it was a bit like serving prison time). Moreover, I'd never been the type of person to call others. I'm a passive person by nature, and it's usually others who'd call me. In a way, I realised I'd taken many friendships for granted -- it had never occurred to me, until then, that it takes effort to maintain any relationship.
So, for two-and-a-half years, I could literally feel my social circle collapse around me, as the number of friends I kept in touch with dwindled down to a mere handful. It was a black time, a rite of passage that I'd never want to go through again, however necessary it may have been.
As I've written, one of the first effects I felt was the sudden loss of a familiar circle of friends. Subsequently, I noticed also a daunting loss of direction.
You see, education in Singapore is a relatively straigthtforward affair: We'd go from primary to secondary schools, and then into junior colleges (pre-tertiary institutions, a throwback to the British education system where students prepare for university) or polytechnics (tertiary institutions offering diploma courses).
Life as a teenage student revolved around classes, exams and annual school festivals. Most of us never had to think very much about the future. Of course, we'd all have vague ambitions but few, if any, of us could really articulate the ways in which we'd fulfil those plans. Based on the feedback I've received from junior-college students (17 to 18 year olds) I've counselled in the past two years, it seems the kids today aren't very much different.
In other words, student life had a comfortable structure that had long been laid out in front of us, a familiar rhythm on which most of us could simply coast upon, without much thought on how the future would turn out.
So, once thrust into the working world after graduation, it's not surprising that quite a number of us felt lost and disoriented. If we're lucky, we'd soon find jobs that match our academic qualifications. Whether or not we'd enjoy them is another story altogether. A few of my friends who joined the banking industry eventually discovered that they hated it, and switched careers before they turned 30. The girls met dashing seniors at various companies, and most were married by the time they turned 26 or 27.
Once, at a mutual friend's wedding, I met a former schoolmate -- a former consultant from the Boston Consulting Group who then joined General Electric -- who admitted, somewhat sheepishly, then he still hadn't quite figured out what he truly wanted out of life. We were both in our late 20s at the time.
On hindsight, adulthood brought the freedoms we'd always wanted as kids. But when we finally achieved that freedom, we gradually realised its burden. For the first time, we had to think seriously about what we wanted to do and how we'd actually go about achieving these goals.
That's not something that schools prepare us very well for, I now find.
So, to cut a long story short, I'd say that your fears are understandable, perhaps even unavoidable. But here's the good news: It's not fatal. And what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger.
Carpe diem.
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|2009-05-07, 11:45
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Junior Member
Join Date: Jan 2009
I feel like my generation is far too focused on all the partying and shenanigans that accompany college life and they feel like that's all there is to life. Nothing can compare so they feel like life ends once you graduate. Whiel I enjoy the occasional party or prank, I just see it as another part of life. There is a LOT of stuff to do in life, you just need to open your mind to it. Maybe it's also because I am introverted so I'm fine with spending a saturday night at home reading a book or watching a movie.
I've started to realize that a lot of my friends depend on college to provide their life with fun and entertainment. Once you graduate, that goes away. They've become too obsessed with one part of their life that once that is taken away from them, they have no idea what to do. Can't really blame them though, they will eventually grow out of it once they're in the real world. But I've decided to adopt an attitude towards life in general and not be obsessed with any one part of it and basically that attitude is to do things, don't sit around in your house after your job, find some clubs and keep yourself busy. Boredom and stagnation are killers for humans and no matter what the situation is, you have to keep doing things to keep you busy: projects, meet new people, etc. Otherwise, what is your life? Your job? Unless you love your job, that's no way to live.
I also agree that I'm happy to get out of this very unstructured life. While spontaneity is good sometimes, I'm getting a bit tired of constantly being woken up late at night by someone's shenanigans.
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DOBBS FERRY, N.Y. -- Lidia Racanelli's dream of owning and operating her own bakery came true last year and that dream added another chapter when television's "Cake Boss" extended a hand to help build the Dobbs Ferry bake shop's business.
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As of today the UK is now over £1 trillion pounds in debt. Wahey right? Woo look at us finally hitting the big 18 zeros mark! Yeah take that America. Always gotta be the champ haven't you with your supersized everything? Well we don't have £15 trillion in debt yet but we're catching up real fast so you'd best beware. Its all very exciting. I don't even know what a trillion is, besides a great character in a Douglas Adams book*, and if we're now at the point where our debt is so much we owe fictional women, then that's great going. Oh? It's a bad thing? Oh I didn't realise.
It's just that, it can't be a bad thing, otherwise they'd be trying to prevent it. Wouldn't they? I mean its so bloody obvious that if its a bad thing then the government would be proposing a way to stop the hundreds of companies tax dodging the UK, and gain us back some of that £120 billion that would just pip us under the mega debt fictional lady number. That's totally what they'd do. So it must be a good thing. That'd explain why they are completely ignoring that, and instead spending this week hurling from their defeat in the Lords about benefit caps, demanding that there will be a reverse on the decision. Those aren't hats that give you special deals. That'd be nice though. Little blue hats that mean you get 15% off at WH Smith. Though I think the Lords might go for that. Nor are they a class based contraceptive, though I wouldn't put that past the government at some point in a forced breeding bill. Instead its another way to jump onto the government's overall parliamentary plan to seem more and more like a Bond villain with aims next to put forward motions to block out the sun then give George Osborne razor sharp metal teeth. Look at his face. Imagine it fatter, with metal teeth. Frightening huh? I know.
But I hear you cry - please don't cry, its only a blog - surely this is a good place to recuperate funds? I mean look at all those scroungers gaining £35k and more despite not even working while the rest of us spend hours in a boring office talking to people we hate and contemplating just how long we'd have to leave our heads in the photocopier to gain cancer? Well - please stop crying - most of that dosh doesn't go to the claimants. It goes to the landlords that are demanding extortionate rates for often dilapidated properties. I used to work in a housing association which happily mopped up government pay to let our tenants live in places Gollum would complain about. I had the horrible job of dealing with repairs and spent many a day on the phone to very angry people questioning why the boiler had blown up again only 24 hours after we'd had it fixed. The answer was because it had been fixed by a low cost, half arsed plumber who was cheaper to employ than buy them a new boiler. I couldn't say that though, so instead I apologised, asked them politely to stop telling me about how they were having to shit in plastic bags as the toilet was broken and would then bang my head on the desk until I could go home.
So these people don't have money really, and had the benefits cap gone through they'd have less money. While the government would claim a whole £290 million back. Which is loads compared to that £120 billion they could get back from big companies right? Well I mean, there's less zeros but all these 'illions' are confusing right? That's what I'm telling myself. I mean no one in their right mind would continue to make the lives of the most poverty stricken members of society harder while happily skirting round actually curbing executive pay in the same week? Sorry. I threw that in there knowing full well that Cable and Cameron have both stated they will increase 'transparency' in the business sector meaning that executive's will have to publish just what their salaries are. Which will help everyone right? That way we can know who's really raking in the cash while we're not? Whenever one of those families reeling from increases in VAT on everyday things or struggling to afford care for their disabled children who now no longer come under DLA thinks 'Do you know what? I might be just about ok money wise this week', they can look at some big execs pay online and now, ultimately, there's really very little point in bothering.
So they must love the trillion. Public borrowing has gone down so to combat that, government spending has risen to keep it there. The less we spend on our credit cards and mortgages the harder they'll need party with their cash to keep this trillion up. If it continues like this its only time before Gove announces buying a moon for the Queen, Cable announces that executives not only have to publish their pay but exactly how much of it they spend on cocaine, and the NHS is replaced with a gold smashing factory. Soon we'll be perfect trillion buddies with the USA, and I for one, am proud. I mean, we won't beat them at anything in the Olympics so we've gotta win somewhere right?
As a small end note, I'm off to Denmark tomorrow and have been desperately trying to learn Danish politics to be able to shout them into funnies at the public whilst I'm there. The one hilarious thing I did learn is that the only Danish politician that supports or approves of Cameron in anyway is Pia Kjærsgaard. She's the leader of the Danish People's Party who lost popularity when her racist views meant she put forth benefit cuts specifically to affect immigrants that ended up hugely hurting the lower classes as well. So, out of the entire Danish parliamentary system, only the racist, elitist one, the Danish equivalent of Nick Griffin, thinks he's any good. I'm not drawing any conclusions here in particular. I'm just saying. Yep. Just saying.
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Parsley is much more than a garnish!
Mention of parsley traces back to the first century A.D., by such notables as the Roman scholar Pliny the Elder, who praised it as a staple in soups and salad, and the father of medicine, Hippocrates, who noted its medicinal qualities. Despite such praise, parsley has long been associated with death, probably because it looks a lot like fool's parsley, a poisonous relative of hemlock.
The ancient Greeks, in fact, never served parsley at the table, but only wore wreaths of it, to honor the dead. Romans also wore parsley wreaths, to stave off effects of wine. For centuries, parsley has enjoyed a variety of uses as a cleansing herb, including as a breath freshener, baldness remedy, and purported treatment for kidney and bladder ailments.
Parsley (Petroselinum crispum) is a member of the Apiaceae family along with celery, carrots and parsnips. Parsley is a small plant with either dark, flat green leaves that resemble coriander, or bright green, curly leaves. The pungent flat leaf or Italian parsley is preferred for cooking, while the curly leaf variety often is used as a garnish, but both are widely used in Mediterranean, Eastern European, and American cooking.
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"Share the Warmth," a newly-formed winter coat drive and winter coat distribution project in Owen County, held its first annual free coat distribution day on October 22 at the Spencer United Methodist Fellowship Hall in Spencer. Over 160 free coats were distributed to adults and children living in Owen County.
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This school year, Springfield high school and junior high students and teachers were anticipating a brand new start in a brand new building. Their spirits were dampened when it was discovered some of the second story rooms had a bounce in the floors.
This school year, Springfield high school and junior high students and teachers were anticipating a brand new start in a brand new building. Their spirits were dampened when it was discovered some of the second story rooms had a bounce in the floors.
Imagine sitting in a classroom, trying to study or trying to teach and, as students move around, the floors bounce. It is something that does happen in larger buildings, but District Superintendent William Stauffer said it was not acceptable in this building.
"If I had not stopped it," Stauffer said, "I am certain we would be open and operating right now."
The bounce was noticeable to Stauffer as he walked through the building several months ago.
"The key word is comfort," Stauffer said of fixing the bounce. "It is not comfortable to have the floor bouncing."
Stauffer emphasized that the issue with the floors has never been a safety issue. All floors have been inspected and tested.
Some floors were also cracked, though not necessarily in the rooms that had the bounce issues.
All of the issues were in the classroom wings of the school.
Engineers were brought in to investigate the floors and presented a fix . Tuned mass dampers (TMD) were determined to be the what would stop the bounce in the floors. Currently, 50 TMD's are being installed in 26 classrooms and they have proven to solve the bounce issue.
A TMD works like a large shock absorber and they are used for this purpose buildings such as sky scrapers or buildings in earthquake areas. The dampers are 36 by 36 inches wide and 18 inches deep. They are installed above the first floor ceilings out of site. Each one is bolted to four steel plates anchored to the top of the second floor as well as to a steel frame.
Stauffer said they are part of the building and are maintenance-free.
Stauffer demonstrated the bounce on an Oct. 11 building tour. He stood on his toes and came down hard on his heels forcing the floor bounce.
In a room where the dampers were installed, he repeated his demonstration. There was just the initial hit of his heels and no bounce followed. Stauffer said the engineer believes that once the bounce is fixed, Springfield's new school will have less bounce in the second floor than any other high school that has been built in Northeast Ohio in the last 10 years.
The cracks in the floors are being repaired through a process that includes being filled with epoxy, then coating the entire floor with a product called Miracote. A fiberglass mesh is laid over the floor and another coat of Miracote is applied.
This process is well underway in the new school.
As to who is responsible for the floor issues – if it has been determined – the district is not pointing fingers. School board members are working with legal counsel to determine who will pay for the $1.3 million in repairs. The out-of-pocket expenses have not been covered by the contractor or architect at this time.
On the advice of the board's attorney, district officials cannot discuss the issues, but they are working diligently to recover these costs
The school was to be completed in August and opened for the new school year beginning on Sept. 4. Nonetheless, district officials chose to leave all parts of the school closed to students, even those areas which were not affected by bouncing or cracked floors.
The gymnasiums do not have the bleachers assembled, the cafeteria floor is not finished, the music rooms are not complete, the kitchen and so on. These areas should have been completed in August and ready for students but concerns with other issues delayed their completion.
There is a financial penalty if the contractor is responsible for the building not being completed on time.
Rumors about the school's condition have been bouncing around the community, but Stauffer said they are unfounded.
"This is anything but a band aid fix," Stauffer said of steps taken to correct the situation. "We have spent a lot of money to make it right and put a lot of thought, effort and time into making it right. We didn't just try to cover up the problem."
Some community residents have expressed concerns about sending their students to the school because it is perceived as being "unsafe"
"It is not 'unsafe,'" Stauffer said. "Think about this: They will send their children to the old high school, which should have been replaced about 25 years ago. This building is safe, I would send my little granddaughter here."
Students are to be in the new high school after Christmas break. Stauffer said they are finishing everything in the high school wing first so the students can move to allow for the other buildings to come down.
If necessary the junior high students could move in at a later time.


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New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan says he welcomes release of information
The Archdiocese of Milwaukee said it will release about 3,000 pages of documents related to sexual abuse lawsuits that have been filed against it.
It said the documents include depositions given by New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who previously led the Milwaukee archdiocese, former Milwaukee Archbishop Rembert Weakland and retired Bishop Richard Sklba.
Victims' advocates have accused church leaders of moving abusive priests around and covering up their crimes for decades.
The archdiocese had been fighting the release of the documents, and a hearing on the matter was scheduled for Thursday in U.S. bankruptcy court in Milwaukee.
The archdiocese filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in January 2011 to deal with about 500 sex abuse claims.
"My hope is by making these documents public, we will shed much-needed light on how the archdiocese responded to abuse survivors over the past 40-plus years when confronting this issue and that they will aid abuse survivors and others in resolution and healing," Milwaukee Archbishop Jerome Listecki said in a written statement.
Lawyers representing those people had been seeking the documents' public release.
Sklba said he agreed to have the Archdiocese of Milwaukee release a deposition he gave in sexual abuse cases as a way of getting out the truth.
Sklba said in a statement that he did his best to help abuse survivors and the documents may answer questions about his actions.
Dolan said he welcomes the release of documents.
He gave a deposition in February in the Chapter 11 bankruptcy case involving the archdiocese that he once served. That deposition is among documents to be released.
In a statement, Dolan said he was glad to give his deposition and hopes the release of the documents will help in the healing of abuse survivors.
An attorney for the sexual abuse victims issued a statement Wednesday night saying they are pleased.
"This has been an important issue for abuse survivors, and it is a significant step as we work toward transparency," Jeff Anderson said.


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Contact: Daniel Parry, NOAA(301) 713-3066, ext. 191
NOAA has upgraded 33 tide stations in an effort to detect tsunamis quicker as part of the National Water Level Observation Network. Network tide stations normally equipped to record tidal data once every hour can now collect tidal data every six minutes, and can transmit that date through NOAA's Geostationary Operational Environmental satellites (GOES).
The upgraded tide gauges also collect one minute averaged tide data that are available to the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center and the West Coast/Alaska Tsunami Warning Center. This enhances the tsunami detection and confirmation capability of the centers, allowing forecasters to view real-time data of any station in the network.
"Tsunami detection and confirmation can be vital in preventing the loss of human life," said John H. Dunnigan, assistant administrator of NOAA's National Ocean Service. "Efficient data collection is an essential tool to coastal managers for rapid forecasting and the issuance of critical warnings that can help save lives of people in the tsunami's path."
Using special data collection platforms, water level observations from these tide gauges allow NOAA tidal stations to become an integral part of the Pacific tsunami detection and warning network. Tidal data, matched with data from NOAA's Deep-ocean Assessment and Reporting of Tsunamis (DART) network of buoys, will allow NOAA's National Weather Service tsunami warning centers to confirm a tsunami and forecast the magnitude, direction, and speed of a tsunami wave more accurately.
"We have upgraded equipment at the 33 water level stations, and have added 15 new stations in Alaska, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, and on the West Coast," said Mike Szabados, director of NOAA's Center for Operational Oceanographic Products and Services. "Near the end of 2007, NOAA will incorporate all tide gauges on the West, East and Gulf coasts to create an unprecedented array of more than 150 stations."
As part of the President's Ocean Action Plan, NOAA is upgrading all of its National Water Level Observation Network stations to provide real-time data recording and transmission capability, enabling all coastal gauges to detect and transmit tsunami data in real time so that warnings can be issued in a timely manner.
A tsunami is a series of ocean waves created by a sudden displacement of seawater. A local tsunami is the result of an earthquake or other water-displacing event occurring just offshore. People in affected areas may only have minutes to act. Tele-tsunamis are waves that travel from the source across the open ocean. These may take several hours to reach affected populations. There can be five to 60 minutes between the wave crests, and the first wave may not be the largest. The second wave is often deadlier, as it carries more debris. As tsunamis near the coast, tide gauges can detect their signal and help support local warnings. In addition, as successive tide stations detect a tsunami, that information can be used to improve forecasts of what other coastal locations may be affected.
NOAA's Center for Operational Oceanographic Products and Services collects and distributes oceanographic observations and predictions to ensure safe, efficient and environmentally sound maritime commerce. The center provides water level and coastal current oceanographic products, measures and predicts tides throughout the nation, and is responsible for disseminating this information to the public.
Using technology and innovation to utilize existing observing systems like the NWLON for new applications is a hallmark of the Integrated Ocean Observing System. In addition to supporting the tsunami warning and mitigation program, NWLON data supports safe and efficient navigation, storm surge warnings, hazmat emergency response efforts, marine boundaries, habitat restoration, long term sea level trends, and other important applications.
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Pool-mageddon avoided — for now• http://www.washingtontimes.com,
The Justice Department on Thursday issued a 60-day stay of execution for hundreds of thousands of public pools which had been required to install ramps and wheelchair lifts by today or else face lawsuits over violating disability laws.
President Obama in 2010 dramatically expanded the rules for access under the Americans with Disabilities Act, and the new regulations mean that every publicly accessible pool — from municipal facilities to hotels — must have two "accessible means of entry," at least one of which must be a ramp or wheelchair lift. Spas must also have either a lift or a transfer system to help the disabled enter them, under the new rules.


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Bulls new coach said to be at the top of the NCAA football world
Except for a framed photo hung on a side wall and a couple of South Florida helmets, the office inside the Lee Roy Selmon Athletic Center is barren, conveying a just-moved-in feel.
Its occupant sits comfortably in a leather chair behind a large desk. Willie Taggart is asked when he might find time to decorate.
"There are so many more important things that we need to get done than to decorate this office," said the USF head football coach.
First and foremost, build a program.
From whatever source, the words used to describe 36-year-old Willie Taggart rarely stray beyond the glowing — committed, focused, genial, dogged, honest, caring.
His head coach in high school, Manatee's Joe Kinnan, with whom Taggart won a state title, said it's his former quarterback's genuineness that serves as a magnet for those who meet him.
"A lot of times," Kinnan said, "you're talking to guys who are big-time people and you can just tell they're not focused on what you're saying.
"They're looking past you or through you at something else, and he's not that way. A humble and hard-working young man. He's right now at the top of the NCAA football world."
Success put Taggart there, but hard work was the vehicle. Growing up in Bradenton, he toiled in the Palmetto orange groves to help his parents with food and rent money.
As a player at Western Kentucky, he completed 76 credit hours in two years, working for two summers, 13 hours a day, in a factory.
"He didn't grow up with a silver spoon in his mouth," said Ray Woodie, the former head coach at Bayshore and Palmetto highs, who will be Taggart's linebackers coach with the Bulls.
"He was always that blue-collar type of guy."
The hard work started almost immediately after Taggart was hired on Dec. 8, secure with a contract that will pay him $1.5 million a year for the next five years. That happened on a Saturday.
The next day, Taggart hit the road for a week of recruiting. He attended the state high school championship football games, hosted a recruit at USF, then flew to Kentucky to bring back his wife, Taneshia, and the couple's two children, Willie Jr., and J.T.
Willie said Taneshia will handle the search for a home and school for the kids. Again, time. He also plans to re-evaluate the players already on the roster with those who have committed or shown a strong interest.
"It's important that we get the right guy, the right fit, for what we're trying to do," Taggart said. "I'm looking forward to implementing our system and seeing which guys are going to buy in and which ones won't."
Jeremy Sharpe wonders if any recruit exists who wouldn't buy into Taggart's message.
"What I noticed is the way people gravitate toward him," said USF's assistant athletic director for communications. "His attitude and the energy that he comes with is infectious.
"You can tell, he seems to have an innate ability to get people excited and to get people invigorated."
In college football, it's all about recruiting. All about a head coach walking into the home of a prized recruit, his parents sitting nearby, and convincing both that his school and program are the place to be.
Great players make a great coach. There's no way around it.
At USF, Taggart will have as selling points Florida's weather and the school's fine facilities, as well as an administration hungry for a winner.
At Western Kentucky, Taggart managed to convince 33 Florida players to leave the state and play for him. In concert, they turned around a Hilltopper program which had lost 20 straight games.
Taggart's deft recruiting touch paid off the day he was hired with the commitment of 6-foot-5 quarterback Mike White, who led Fort Lauderdale High to the Class 3A state title.
Back in Manatee County, Kinnan said Hurricane defensive tackle Derrick Calloway wasn't planning to visit South Florida, but that the hiring of Taggart changed his mind. The 310-pounder, an All-State selection as a junior, will visit Jan. 11.
"And I'd say they got a legitimate shot at getting him," Kinnan said. "All of a sudden, the dynamic has changed."
"He's going to be honest and respectful and he's not going to fabricate to these guys," Woodie said. "He's going to do his homework. He has an idea on who he wants and what he wants.
"I've been in there with him several times. It's something that I know. They're going to feel his positive energy. He's not a used-car salesman. What you see is what you get with coach Taggart."
Taggart and his coaches head out Jan. 4 for more recruiting before the Jan. 7 start of classes and workouts. He especially wants to mine the I-4 corridor between Tampa and Daytona Beach.
"I look at that as our 'in-state,' " he said. "We've got to recruit our tails off in our in-state. We're just too close to not recruit our tails off and get some of these kids to stay here and play for us."
Sitting in his leather chair, the first black head football coach in the history of Western Kentucky, and now, the first black head football coach in the history of South Florida, Taggart reflects on his good fortune.
He was perfectly comfortable coaching at his alma mater. And then the opportunity presented itself. The opportunity to return home.
The opportunity to continue what he's always done. Win football games. Positively influence the lives of young men.
"It just came up," he said. "I'm one of those guys who always has a five-year plan. After five years I reset my goals for what I want to do and then execute that plan to get there. It's been helping me this far, no matter where it's taken me.
"I knew I wanted to be a coordinator. I knew I wanted to be a head coach. I wanted to be one of the best head coaches out there.
"I said I wouldn't leave Western Kentucky unless I had a chance to win a national championship, and I believe we can do it here."


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- Listing Company: Century 21 Moves
Property Description for Lt 33 Hickory Heights Cedar Grove WI 53013
Lt 33 Hickory Heights Cedar Grove WI 53013 - Build your dream home in the subdivision of Hickory Heights. Set in the country side. Home sites are half acre lots. With views of country fields you are with in walking distance to down town,and schools. The laterals are in the lot already. Close to I 43 and HWY 57 for easy commutes Plymouth, Sheboygan, Milwaukee
Land Features
- Topography: Subdivision
- Zoning: Residential - Single
- Waterfront/Access: N
- Lot Size: .530
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|Mar 31 2017 10:35PM
|Mar 21 2017 1:42PM
|Jun 29 2016 5:18PM
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