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Explain Yourself
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Username: The song Dream Weaver, by Gary Wright. I like the sound of it.
Avatar: see that one falling cupcake? That's me.
Signature: I just think that quote is so ironically hilarious. That quote was said before the atomic bomb was created, I'm sure.
"Leave the atom alone."
-E.Y. Harburgh
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Username: My name it Tom and back in my late teens early twenties my best friends name alo started with a T. We were both AC/DC fans and people startede refering to us as TNT. And, I am a Philly sports nut.
Avatar: I didn't really like that movie.
Explain Yourself
(27-06-2012 10:57 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:(27-06-2012 10:14 PM)fstratzero Wrote: Cause zero has interesting origins...
I always thought that was a booger.
It was just a fucking apple man, we're sorry okay? Please stop the madness
RE: Explain Yourself
A little more about me...
The well known adage "Do you want to be right, or do you what to be happy" is a tricky dichotomy. The first thought that flashes thru my mind is the being right makes me happy. So why choose?
First, to avoid confusion, let me lay down what I mean by being "right."
What it doesn't mean is that I know better.
What is means is that I keep my mind open to arguments, evidence, logic, and knowledge from different sources, in the quest for accurate knowledge. In other words, "Truth" that stands scrutiny and examination and stays unharmed because of firm logic, evidence, and so forth.
Even after the most solid and successful arguments, one must still keep in mind that new evidence can change the game. Hence, the need to keep a reasonably open mind. There is such a thing as a paradigm shift.
So the quest for Truth, and more importantly the honest search to understand the questions, are paramount for progress. The questions are just as important as the answers. In fact, I would argue they are more important, as answers may change with new understanding.
So all this seeking, while finding nuggets of truth in the process, makes me incredibly happy.
This is why I don't feel the adage above needs to be a choice. We can have both.
I must be careful though, because I will admit getting frustrated with people who defend what they know so little about. Ignorant but opinionated. It boils my blood… but let's face it; it is my choice to be annoyed. Nobody else should be accused of annoying me. I'm the only one to blame for that. Still, I have to breath deeply when people defend an opinion that for the most part, they plucked off their TV or the net. There is no denying that the masses are not seekers, but choose to believe the "ready-to-wear" garbage from their favorite network.
In view of this, my biggest fear is my, our, natural tendency for confirmation bias. And my biggest frustration is that so many don't even acknowledge they have it -- not mentioning those who don't even know what it is. Did I say frustrating?
But why do I care? After all, even if one wants to believe in fairies and chocolate covered mountains, who the hell am I to deny them their "truth?" Who cares what quest I have, how dare I intrude and shove my perspective of reality in their face?
This is something I battle with. I should persuade myself to cease believing that my life's search is worth sharing. It shouldn't matter to me what others believe -- especially if they find bliss in the process. I should just be happy for them.
Please bear with me, as I now will try to justify myself about how I feel about this. I will grant the reader that my view may be too much. Just know that I'm not that sure of myself as I write. I'm trying to express my feelings, that's all…
Even if some believe ignorance is bliss, everything points to the fact that knowledge is power and an advantage for progress -- leading to bliss also. It's just more work. Drugs are also bliss! To me for example, religion is a drug, albeit a placebo. That's my opinion. The reason I have concluded to that, is because just like drug addicts crave drugs to color an otherwise darker reality -- the religious need Paradise and God to mask the simple mortality we face as humans. I would say it's an easy way out if I wasn't religious for the most part of my life - because being religious is accepting some major shackles. Not as blissful as it may seem, hindsight.
Anyway, I felt like writing this piece. I'm aware of my shortcomings. Still, everything I have painstakingly searched for, is giving me happiness. I sacrificed so much; to be open about it and be consistent with myself, cost me my family. And if anyone knows anything about me, is that I'm a family man. So it took a lot to be where I am today; an atheist.
I would just like to explain what it means to me to be an atheist:
First, it would be ridiculous to claim as a fact that God doesn't exist. I would never say that.
However - there is strong evidence that the Abrahamic God of the three main religions, does not exist. Why? Because of the written scriptures from where his existence originates. Accurate scientific and archeological knowledge has chipped away to the so-called truths of the Bible. It's validity on the very origins of life, the flood*, the miracles that conveniently have never happened in our recorded times, the absurd and cruel morality of the Mosaic Law that condones genocide, slavery, and the stoning of almost anyone, even a rebellious teen (ack!), etc...
Bottom line, the Bible is a great book - but not trustworthy as Truth.
Hence, the biblical claims that there is such a God makes his existence very improbable. In that sense, there's not a 50/50 chance that he does exist, and being agnostic about it is indeed the same thing as being agnostic of the tooth fairy.
Nobody can "choose" to believe one way or another. However, we can "choose" our sources. Consequently, what we believe can then be influenced by our sources.
I find it sad that such a huge chunk of the world's demography find it normal to trust the Bible. Ironically, NOBODY would trust scientific or medical books that are 2,000 years old. Anyone would find that preposterous.
People are weird to me (as I must be for them). Sigh...
Still, I will never say there is no god. How could I?
BUT -- personally, I have already dismissed the Abrahamic god as a possibility.
So back to the subject. I'm happy, and I don't need to be right -- but I do feel the urge to share the fruit of my hard work; the search and study of a lifetime, past and to come. A quest that almost killed me. There is nothing more violent than fighting confirmation bias, and a lifelong attachment to a belief now disproved. Family will hurt because of you. Some family will actually hurt you. It's emotionally draining… but like all that has a steep price, it is most precious. At the end, the search for Truth is the essence of real happiness. It's the path that brings bliss, not the destination.
Pardon my enthusiasm.
* About the flood and other stories, some say we shouldn't take the Bible literally, like some religions do in pure denial of hard evidence. I agree. But then why take the existence of an all-knowing, all-powerful deity literally? How does that make any more sense? Not take the stories literally, except for the main character. Where's the logic there?
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(10-08-2012 05:06 PM)vincedeporter Wrote: A little more about me...
Welcome. I think you and I are going to get along just fine.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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(10-08-2012 05:14 PM)Chas Wrote: Welcome. I think you and I are going to get along just fine.
So it seems!
RE: Explain Yourself
(10-08-2012 06:11 PM)vincedeporter Wrote:(10-08-2012 05:14 PM)Chas Wrote: Welcome. I think you and I are going to get along just fine.
Hey welcome, vince, and thanks for sharing. I do fear what might happen with a Chas 2.0 entering the forum, but hopefully the world won't come to an end because of it.
It was just a fucking apple man, we're sorry okay? Please stop the madness
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USERNAME: It was the best thing I could think of at the time, I suck a naming.
AVATAR: I was looking on Google under something like "Creationist Demotivational posters" Or something like that, and found "Jesus Face palm; He gave up too so please stop this foolness" to be freakin' hilarious, way I figure, Jesus would be facepalming on his cloud while he watched down on the many Christian Sects. Anybody agree?
TITLE: I got the inspiration from the Magical Sandwich counter argument to the "You can't Disprove it, therefore it's proven!" argument.
SIGNATURE: My signature is a quote from Near, a character in the anime/manga Death Note. I feel it sums up Good and Evil for me, basically; Nobody knows what is good or evil and even if a God does exist, and I had it's teachings before me, I will decide what is good and what is evil myself.
The people closely associated with the namesake of female canines are suffering from a nondescript form of lunacy.
"Anti-environmentalism is like standing in front of a forest and going 'quick kill them they're coming right for us!'" - Jake Farr-Wharton, The Imaginary Friend Show.
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(11-08-2012 10:17 AM)Free Thought Wrote: TITLE: I got the inspiration from the Magical Sandwich counter argument to the "You can't Disprove it, therefore it's proven!" argument.
You actually made me crave a sandwich. Off to the kitchen I go!
It was just a fucking apple man, we're sorry okay? Please stop the madness
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(11-08-2012 11:28 AM)Erxomai Wrote:(11-08-2012 10:17 AM)Free Thought Wrote: TITLE: I got the inspiration from the Magical Sandwich counter argument to the "You can't Disprove it, therefore it's proven!" argument.
More evidence for the Magical Sandwich! It makes you hungry when you read of it!
The people closely associated with the namesake of female canines are suffering from a nondescript form of lunacy.
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Throughout the Bruins-Lightning Eastern Conference Final, TheBruinsBlog.net will collaborate on Q&A features before every game with Jon Jordan 0f Beasts of the Southeast over at Kukla's Korner. Here's the latest installment, where Jon responds to questions about the Lightning's adjustment, their response to a rare loss and talks about how to stop Tyler Seguin.
MK: Well, it looks like the score is James Bond 1, Dr. Evil Guy Boucher 1. In the movies, once Bond foils the sinister plot, the story ends. But Boucher and the Lightning get a real-life opportunity to get back at it, and on home ice. So what does the mastermind have in store? What adjustments will be made? Could we see any sort of a lineup change?
JJ: The focus – and perhaps the singular focus – will be on returning to the structure of their system for the Lightning, who were as freewheelin' as you'll ever see them in game two, a recipe that helps make for an exciting game maybe, as we saw last night, but not so much for a Tampa Bay win. In November, the Bolts actually managed an 8-7 victory in Philadelphia over the Flyers but Boucher was none too pleased, despite the two points. Last night, had the Lightning prevailed, you still wouldn't have seen a happy head coach afterwards. About 99% of that first period, in particular, was unacceptable, as compared to what has brought Tampa Bay its biggest successes this season.
I don't expect anything to be pulled from any bag of tricks. Instead, the Bolts will dance with the girl that brought 'em – and hope their two-step turns out better than Boston's in game three. I also wouldn't expect anything in the way of a lineup change, as there isn't exactly a murderer's row of impact players at Tampa's disposal among the Black Aces bunch.
MK: It's been a long time since the Lightning lost a game. How do you think they'll respond emotionally to a defeat, especially one that was so uncharacteristic of the way they play?
JJ : One of this club's strongest assets – another direct influence of the attitude of their head coach – has been their ability to move on to the next task at hand, regardless of the most recent result. That is, win or lose, Boucher's Bolts are often already looking ahead to their next tilt when plenty of others would either be hanging their hands at an unsatisfying effort or overjoyed at a positive result. The Lightning don't seem to have that in them so, even if last night had ended up 8-3 Boston (as I actually expected it might, on several occasions), I wouldn't have much in the way of concern for any kind of carry-over.
Instead, by and large, the game two loss is already forgotten and the focus has shifted to regaining the series lead in game three. We knew from the onset that this had the makings of a long series and the Bolts got an apparently necessary reminder of just that last night.
For a team that has showed such resiliency and composure, however, I couldn't help but wonder intermittently during game two whether or not the relative ease with which they handled Boston in game one, paired with a stunning 2-1 lead after a very poorly executed first period last night, might have had a negative effect on Tampa Bay, collectively. Ordinarily, I'd never accuse this team of looking a gift horse in the mouth, based on the intangibles they've shown all year but, at times, as I said, I allowed my brain to wonder if just maybe things had come a bit too easily for them in the first four periods of this series.
If so, that's gotta go away, like, yesterday. And knowing what I know about Boucher and staff, if there was any hint of as much, it probably did just that.
MK: Will the Lightning even bother playing Game 3 if Tyler Seguin is in the Boston lineup? I mean the guy's on pace to score 10 goals in this series, if it goes seven, record 10 assists and I think he's going to invigorate the entire retirement population of the Tampa/St. Pete area like some modern-day character from Cocoon. He might win the hearts of some teeny-bopper Floridians while he's at it. Since we all knew he was going to be this great and there was no way even head coach Claude Julien couldn't hold him back forever, what do you expect Seguin to do for an encore and can the Lightning even think of stopping him, never mind do it?
JJ : Do I sense a hint of sarcasm in thy tone, Mr. Kalman? Methinks young Seguin's emergence of yesternight has left ye less than sold…
But I do get where you're coming from. Judging from most of what I saw on Twitter during Seguin's four-point explosion, construction on a statue outside of the Garden has already begun.
Let's not take away from his performance too much, though. After all, a six-points-in-two-games playoff baptism is nothing to scoff at. And, probably most importantly, if there are still any major concerns about the return of Patrice Bergeron, the effectiveness of Seguin to this point (and, oh yeah, the win itself) takes the foot off the throat a bit, in terms of feeling pressure to get Bergeron back in there. Granted, if he's ready, he's ready and, surely, Boston will welcome him back with open arms… I'm just saying they may not feel his return is as much of an absolute necessity as they did prior to game two.
Or maybe they do, come to think of it. Julien seemed awful eager to get his jack-of-all-trades back as soon as possible at the postgame presser, the win notwithstanding. (And I would think that your guess of Shawn Thornton coming out upon Bergeron's return is probably the most likely lineup change. I mean, who else?)
One thing's for sure from a Lightning standpoint: A trio of defensemen in Mike Lundin, Victor Hedman and Randy Jones have now been "posterized" by Boston's rookie sensation and the whole team has yet another weapon to account for at all times.
To address your questions more specifically: Yes, I think the Lightning will bother playing game three, although it is clear that Super Seguin makes all hope futile; he'll probably end up with 15 goals and 19 assists before the final series horn sounds; old folks from Pensacola to Key West are most definitely en route to Tampa, with hopes of touching this living, breathing fountain of youth and Justin Bieber's got nothing on this Beantown Baby, who is headed to the pages of Tiger Beat magazine for sure (or whatever…)
Seguinistas (I get that right?) everywhere, rejoice!

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kam327 Posts: 115Starting at dealer invoice is always good. Holdback for a loaded Titanium is around $800 so that's one place the dealer is getting money on the sale. Did they charge you a "dealer fee" or whatever name they gave it, usually $500-$600? That's another profit center. I look for the dealers that don't charge such a fee, which are few and far between.0
kjdiscuss Posts: 5Hey mndriver72, I'm looking for about the same trim in Minneapolis. Do you mind saying which dealers you looked at and got such a good deal?0
tomcatt630 Posts: 124I got my new Focus SE, with 203A and Auto for the TMV(R) price. And my trade in was spot on with TMV too.
I refer Edmunds TMV to others looking for prices. :shades:0
stever Posts: 52,683A reporter would like to speak to anyone between the age of 20 and 30 who needed financial help from a parent to buy a new car. If you fit this description – or if you are a parent who has helped a 20-something son or daughter buy a new car - and you'd like to share your story, please send your daytime contact information to [email protected] no later than 3 p.m. Pacific/6 p.m. Eastern on Thursday, May 3, 2012.0
hackattack5 Posts: 3152012 SEL hatch with the $2900 package leather, back up sensor, my touch and sony stereo. 1000 rebate 750 trade assist 500 private offer and a 1800 dealer discount. Milford Ohio0
2012 SE hatchback manual transmission with 203A package, sport package, winter package, and 17" alloy wheel upgrade. MSRP was $21140, which reflects the new pricing with "no charge sync" discount of $395 and "SE sport regional discount" of $515.
Price paid was $18240 (+tax and tags), so the $1500 rebate plus a $1400 dealer discount. The $750 trade assist promotion is over, but the rebate went up from $1000 to $1500 this month. Also did not qualify for the $500 private offer mentioned above (even though I'd requested several brochures - no coupon included...)
In addition to the above, I got slightly above KBB trade-in value for "good" condition, and the Focus had to be located/brought in from another dealer.
I've got to disagree with the post above about just relying on the TMV prices - the TMV price for the Focus was $19405 ($1165 higher), mainly because the pricing on the site is not updated with the latest sync and sport package discounts. Also, the TMV trade-in value was about $500 lower than my reference point from KBB. I guess there's not one perfect site, but point is just to collect several data points from multiple sites and shoot for a reasonable target.0
Thanks for sharing, dad2be. Would you mind stating where in the country you are? And maybe even which dealer you worked with?0
Sure - I'm in eastern PA. Will post the dealer info on Tuesday - after I've picked it up - assuming everything continues to go well.
Something not mentioned above was that I got a few other quotes from other local dealers as part of the process. We can get X-plan pricing through my company, and I made the mistake of mentioning that for one of the quotes. The X-plan price stinks! It was a discount of just $905, plus same rebates. Stuck to traditional price requests without mentioning X-plan for the rest of the dealers...0
billy3554 Posts: 148People using TMV to price a new vehicle should consider it is more of an average price paid rather than the rock bottom price which can be expected. Average means half pay more but half pay less. While TMV will yield a decent price, especially for people who do not enjoy the art of the deal, I would prefer to be in the half which pays less. I have accessed TMV for years and found it quite useful. However, I have always found a better price with a bit of work.0
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Delivery was today. There were very few Silver or Gray cars that met my exact specs, and turns out they had a very hard time getting a dealer to let one go. But in the end I've got the exact car I wanted, in my first color choice (Ingot Silver) for the agreed upon price. Also, they were able to beat my credit union's 2.49% / 60 month term rate - got me 2.39% / 60 months through Chase. Will take me a bit of time to learn the Sync system, as I'm use to fairly simple Subaru radios as of late. Everything went as-promised. Dealer was Haldeman Ford in Allentown, PA. Feels good to be back in a Ford...0
We just picked up our new 2012 Focus Titanium HB in Sonic Blue with Sport Shift, Winter, Roof, Navi, Parking, and Remote Start. MSRP is $27595. As a Costco member, we did not need to negotiate except for the remote start which I really did not want but it came with it on the only sonic blue car they had (and now even more, I would recommend Not getting it!). I was able to get the dealer to take an additional $200 off for the remote start ($445 MSRP). All in all, the total discount from the dealer was $3056. Ford currently (until July 2nd) has $1500 rebate, and I also received $500 rebate for college student (had to add my daughter in as the 1st owner and also on the loan). So the total discount including the rebates was $5056, for a purchase price of $22559 + tax and lic. I am happy with the deal. The sonic blue color is amazing! This car was built on 5/27/12 so it has all the latest fixes on the DCT and the MFT and is part of the Job#2 built which included the 4-way head rest and the flex fuel badging, in addition to the fixes on DCT and MFT. So far the car runs great! On 1 highway trip from south Denver to CU Boulder, the car computer registered that 45 mile trip to have a 54.5 MPG!!! Gotta love that if it is a true figure. Car is still too new to tell if that MPG is way over estimated by the car computer. Car still only has ~350 miles on it. So far so good and we are loving the car! The car purchase experience was also great with no surprises or game playing by the dealer to pressure us into adding any extras, i.e., car protection packages or extended warranty, etc.0
Awesome! I like the sonic blue too. Keep us posted on how things unfold. I'm especially curious about people's experience with mytouch.0
I am planning to buy a 2012 Ford Focus Sedan SE. I asked the dealer about the OTD price. The OTD prices are around 19,200 to 19,250. What price should I actually pay when I buy the car? Can I get a cheaper price. By the way, I am in Mississippi. Thanks.0
The OTD price will vary depending on your locations because of the sales taxes and lic fees, as well as the dealer doc fees (which is all profit but I was told that is non-negotiable from several local dealers. That fee varies from $499 to $649 unless you are on the X-plan which Ford limits the dealer fee to under $100) so I prefer to work with the discount from the car MSRP for comparison, and then you can add in those other fees to get the OTD price.
The first thing you should do is to use edmunds to configure the car you are interested in with the options on the car so you can get the invoice price of the car. I found the invoice price from edmunds to be exact except it did not include the Ford's Sync discount of $395. It also did not have the advertising fees and 1 tank of gas which all dealers have to pay and these 2 items totaled to ~$350 on my car.
For me as Costco member, the price was $825 under the invoice price with no negotiations needed. But my dealer required a $649 dealer fee.
Since my car purchase price was $3056 from the MSRP of $27595, the discount would represent approximately 11% off from MSRP so you can use that as a guide to gage if you are getting a good deal or not. That price is before the Ford rebates. So in my case, I have $1500 Ford rebate + $500 college rebate, so I got another $2000 off from that price, so my price was $22559 + $649 (dealer fee) + tax + lic.
Good luck in your dealing!0
Thank you so much! I may buy this car in Collins from Mississippi or Meridian from Mississippi.0
k1ngkev1n1 Posts: 7I just purchased my ford focus SEL black, black interior leather, NAV, ford sync, backup sensors, 17 inch alloy wheels. MSRP price of 23,300, I got it down to 19,600 with a tank of gas. The OTD price was 21900 exactly. I feel like it was a good deal tax sucks here in CA anyways, but i feel like i got a good deal basically negotiated as close to invoice as we could roughly i think within 100 then took off 2500 worth of rebates 2000 as the deal they had and 500 for having a competitor lease. Will buy a extended warranty just heard it was better to go online to get prices.0
I never know what to think when comparing with other shoppers. It sounds like you and I got similar deals though I hope we are comparing apples to apples. A few days ago, I just picked up a 2012 SEL hatchback with premium package, moonroof, and winter package. MSRP was $24,950 (that includes the destination fee). My "price," as far as I can figure, was approximately invoice. After $2,500 rebates as well, my OTD was $22,330. Taxes in my neck of the woods are 6% of price prior to rebates.
Dealer I worked with acted as if I was holding the place up, although it seems like others got better deals.
Edit: I mispoke: MSRP including $395 sync discount was $24,360.0
rahul8 Posts: 1Just picked up a 2013 Ford Focus SE Sedan with 200A (no charge sync), Auto Transmission, Sirrus radio, Super fuel economy package - RED for $16500 + TTL
Leif Johnson Ford -Austin
Example - http://www.leifjohnsonford.com/details/New+2013+Ford+Focus+SE+1FADP3F22DL115491+- Austin0
Simply WOW ... the best I did on an 2012 SE with A/T and 201A package (sedan) was 3,580 off MSRP .. that was rebates and discounts .. new car
BTW - sign up on the FORD website a good 6 weeks before you want to buy and they send out a 500 to 750 off coupon as well ... mine came two weeks after I bought ... Dhoa!!0
Saw the same deal in MA for a 2013 SE w Automatic and Sync .. unlike the 2012, the 2013 comes wth Alloy wheel, side morror turn signal indicator, Sync, two 12v outlets and a USB port ... not sure about Cruise ... Does not have the fog lights ...
All in all an impressive deal for the car0
bruceland Posts: 1Hey there, your message sounds awesome! Would you please tell me where can I find the deal at MA? Also, I didn't find the ford coupon so far, is it in the official website, if it's, I might did not recognize it.
Thanks a lot if you can let me know more about it!0
ellellelle Posts: 1If you're in the Houston area, I would check out Mac Haik. Got a manual se hatchback for 14,633 before ttl. Great price, very happy with it too. The process was a little longer than I had hoped, but they didn't try to pull a fast one on me so I would still recommend them.0
ifontaine Posts: 24Hello all....
I'm relatively new to the world of the art of Car Buying. In the past, we always bought Ford/Mercury because of the ease of the A Plan.
Is anyone here familiar enough with A/Z plan pricing to know if I can do better with a little work on my own, or just settle for the no hassle A/Z plan pricing?
We are looking at '13 Titanium, not sure if we'll do 4 door or HB. I would publish the price, but I would think that violates some sort of terms of service for my plan sponsor.
Thanks in advance.0
2013 Ford Focus SE Hatchback - SE appearance pkg, winter pkg, auto
Invoice (according to edmunds) $22,378
X plan pricing
Ford Rebates: $2,895
Total Car cost after rebates: $20,0500
Sounds like a pretty good deal. What was your final OTD, including taxes, title, etc.?0
Getting quotes in DFW of 16,500 + TTL. Good deal? I really dont need a car till March/April. Is it best to buy now or should I wait?0
coolgdelta Posts: 4I have an offer for 13998 plus ttl after all rebates ford focus se with mysync automatic0
It was $21200 with TTL. (201A+winter, 5 door)0
Wow. Thats a crazy good offer. Where is this at?
I picked up a 2013 Focus HB SE in Ruby/black. Got that for 16000 + TTL. So you are a good 1Kish below(accounting for HB price difference of 1K).0


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Agricultural Research Service scientists have merged two natural products, each with unique qualities, to create a brand-new material that offers both heat tolerance and toughness.
Chemist Leslie A. White and mechanical engineer Christopher D. Delhom have accomplished this by joining cotton fibers with particles of clay. The resultant material — boasting cotton's softness and clay's durability — could someday be used as fabric for protective apparel and as insulation that protects against fire in homes.
Readily available in a pure and usable form, clay minerals can enhance the flame-retardant properties of a textile. They also give it strength. Scientists have known this for some time, but they've never before tried pairing clay with a plant material, such as cotton.
Compared to unbleached cotton, the combination cotton-and-clay product has an increased heat tolerance of 70-85 degrees.
White, who's located in the ARS Cotton Textile Chemistry Research Unit of the Southern Regional Research Center in New Orleans, La., was able to create the novel fibers by dissolving cotton fibers with a solvent and then mixing in clay particles on a molecular level.
Montmorillonite clay particles, the same type used in some cat litters, are incorporated into the cotton fibers as microscopic-sized particles.
Once the mixture is dried and the solvent removed, the tiny clay particles become dispersed and embedded throughout the cotton matrix.
Not only is this cotton-clay "nanocomposite" natural, but the process by which the two components are joined is considered environmentally friendly. The solvent used to dissolve the cotton fibers is recyclable and is applied in a closed system.
White and Delhom are investigating a range of cellulosic fibers, including those of wood, grass, leaves and even recycled newspaper, to see if they can be beneficially transformed with the addition of different types of clay.
Read more about the research in the April issue of Agricultural Research magazine, available online at: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/ar/archive/apr04/clay0404.htm.


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By Scott Malone
BOSTON (Reuters) - Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick on Friday proposed new state rules to more closely regulate the type of pharmacy at the heart of a U.S. meningitis outbreak that has killed 39 people.
The proposed legislation would require special licenses for compounding pharmacies, allow the state Board of Pharmacy to fine companies that violate its rules and require out-of-state pharmacies that ship drugs to Massachusetts to be licensed by the state.
The aim is to more closely monitor companies that cross the line from mixing the raw materials of drugs for individual prescriptions and those that begin to operate more like large-scale manufacturers.
An injectible steroid produced by the Framingham, Massachusetts-based New England Compounding Center (NECC) was linked to an outbreak of bacterial meningitis that has sickened 656 people in 19 states, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"The regulations that we have in place and governing authority hasn't kept up with an industry that's changed," Patrick told reporters on Friday. "It's really built around the corner drug store, but we've seen and experienced with NECC that businesses that call themselves pharmacies are actually doing a form of manufacturing."
Federal investigators have found multiple violations of standard sterility practices at NECC, which has closed and, on December 21, filed for bankruptcy protection.
Companies registered as pharmacies are regulated by the individual states, while drug manufacturers face the tighter oversight of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Patrick's legislation calls on Massachusetts to more closely work with the FDA to ensure that larger pharmacies do not escape oversight.
The state has since ordered the temporary shutdown of four other compounding pharmacies where investigators found problems.
The FDA last month urged states to crack down on loopholes that allowed compounding pharmacies to produce drugs on an industrial scale without drawing FDA scrutiny.
(Editing by Leslie Gevirtz)


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The Nun (2018)
R | 96 min | Horror, Mystery, Thriller
A priest with a haunted past and a novice on the threshold of her final vows are sent by the Vatican to investigate the death of a young nun in Romania and confront a malevolent force in the form of a demonic nun.
Director: Corin Hardy | Stars: Demián Bichir, Taissa Farmiga, Jonas Bloquet, Bonnie Aarons
Votes: 31,159 | Gross: $88.36M
The Predator (2018)
R | 107 min | Action, Adventure, Horror
When a young boy accidentally triggers the universe's most lethal hunters' return to Earth, only a ragtag crew of ex-soldiers and a disgruntled science teacher can prevent the end of the human race.
Director: Shane Black | Stars: Boyd Holbrook, Trevante Rhodes, Jacob Tremblay, Keegan-Michael Key
Votes: 19,079 | Gross: $29.04M
Crazy Rich Asians (2018)
PG-13 | 120 min | Comedy, Romance
This contemporary romantic comedy, based on a global bestseller, follows native New Yorker Rachel Chu to Singapore to meet her boyfriend's family.
Director: Jon M. Chu | Stars: Constance Wu, Henry Golding, Michelle Yeoh, Gemma Chan
Votes: 24,253 | Gross: $151.37M
The Meg (2018)
PG-13 | 113 min | Action, Horror, Sci-Fi
After escaping an attack by what he claims was a 70-foot shark, Jonas Taylor must confront his fears to save those trapped in a sunken submersible.
Director: Jon Turteltaub | Stars: Jason Statham, Bingbing Li, Rainn Wilson, Cliff Curtis
Votes: 40,357 | Gross: $137.75M
Mission: Impossible - Fallout (2018)
PG-13 | 147 min | Action, Adventure, Thriller
Ethan Hunt and his IMF team, along with some familiar allies, race against time after a mission gone wrong.
Director: Christopher McQuarrie | Stars: Tom Cruise, Henry Cavill, Ving Rhames, Simon Pegg
Votes: 128,386 | Gross: $216.58M
Searching (III) (2018)
PG-13 | 102 min | Drama, Mystery, Thriller
After his 16-year-old daughter goes missing, a desperate father breaks into her laptop to look for clues to find her.
Director: Aneesh Chaganty | Stars: John Cho, Debra Messing, Joseph Lee, Michelle La
Votes: 13,961 | Gross: $20.39M
Hereditary (2018)
R | 127 min | Drama, Horror, Mystery
After the family matriarch passes away, a grieving family is haunted by tragic and disturbing occurrences, and begin to unravel dark secrets.
Director: Ari Aster | Stars: Toni Collette, Milly Shapiro, Gabriel Byrne, Alex Wolff
Votes: 80,698 | Gross: $44.07M
BlacKkKlansman (2018)
R | 135 min | Biography, Comedy, Crime
Ron Stallworth, an African-American police officer from Colorado, successfully manages to infiltrate the local Ku Klux Klan with the help of a white surrogate, who eventually becomes head of the local branch.
Director: Spike Lee | Stars: John David Washington, Adam Driver, Laura Harrier, Topher Grace
Votes: 29,144 | Gross: $46.22M
Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018)
PG-13 | 118 min | Action, Adventure, Sci-Fi
As Scott Lang balances being both a Super Hero and a father, Hope van Dyne and Dr. Hank Pym present an urgent new mission that finds the Ant-Man fighting alongside The Wasp to uncover secrets from their past.
Director: Peyton Reed | Stars: Paul Rudd, Evangeline Lilly, Michael Peña, Walton Goggins
Votes: 95,489 | Gross: $215.48M
Mile 22 (2018)
R | 94 min | Action, Adventure, Crime
An elite American intelligence officer, aided by a top-secret tactical command unit, tries to smuggle a mysterious police officer with sensitive information out of the country.
Director: Peter Berg | Stars: Mark Wahlberg, Lauren Cohan, Iko Uwais, John Malkovich
Votes: 8,378 | Gross: $35.92M
Incredibles 2 (2018)
PG | 118 min | Animation, Action, Adventure
Bob Parr (Mr. Incredible) is left to care for the kids while Helen (Elastigirl) is out saving the world.
Director: Brad Bird | Stars: Craig T. Nelson, Holly Hunter, Sarah Vowell, Huck Milner
Votes: 98,372 | Gross: $605.72M
The Equalizer 2 (2018)
R | 121 min | Action, Crime, Thriller
Robert McCall serves an unflinching justice for the exploited and oppressed, but how far will he go when that is someone he loves?
Director: Antoine Fuqua | Stars: Denzel Washington, Pedro Pascal, Ashton Sanders, Orson Bean
Votes: 25,560 | Gross: $102.00M
Christopher Robin (2018)
PG | 104 min | Animation, Adventure, Comedy
A working-class family man, Christopher Robin, encounters his childhood friend Winnie-the-Pooh, who helps him to rediscover the joys of life.
Director: Marc Forster | Stars: Ewan McGregor, Hayley Atwell, Bronte Carmichael, Mark Gatiss
Votes: 17,691 | Gross: $95.52M
Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again (2018)
PG-13 | 114 min | Comedy, Musical, Romance
Five years after the events of Mamma Mia! (2008), Sophie prepares for the grand reopening of the Hotel Bella Donna as she learns more about her mother's past.
Director: Ol Parker | Stars: Lily James, Amanda Seyfried, Meryl Streep, Cher
Votes: 31,283 | Gross: $119.83M
Slender Man (2018)
PG-13 | 93 min | Horror, Mystery, Thriller
In a small town in Massachusetts, a group of friends, fascinated by the internet lore of the Slender Man, attempt to prove that he doesn't actually exist - until one of them mysteriously goes missing.
Director: Sylvain White | Stars: Joey King, Julia Goldani Telles, Jaz Sinclair, Annalise Basso
Votes: 7,087 | Gross: $30.24M
The Children Act (2017)
R | 105 min | Drama
As her marriage crumbles, a judge must decide a case involving a teenage boy who is refusing a blood transfusion on religious principle.
Director: Richard Eyre | Stars: Emma Thompson, Stanley Tucci, Ben Chaplin, Fionn Whitehead
Votes: 1,885 | Gross: $0.02M
The Happytime Murders (2018)
R | 91 min | Action, Comedy, Crime
When the puppet cast of a '90s children's TV show begin to get murdered one by one, a disgraced LAPD detective-turned-private eye puppet takes on the case.
Director: Brian Henson | Stars: Melissa McCarthy, Elizabeth Banks, Maya Rudolph, Leslie David Baker
Votes: 5,961 | Gross: $20.63M
SuperFly (2018)
R | 116 min | Action, Crime, Thriller
With retirement on his mind, a successful young drug dealer sets up one last big job, while dealing with trigger-happy colleagues and the police.
Director: Director X. | Stars: Trevor Jackson, Jason Mitchell, Lex Scott Davis, Michael Kenneth Williams
Votes: 2,495 | Gross: $20.55M
American Animals (2018)
R | 116 min | Crime, Drama
Four young men mistake their lives for a movie and attempt one of the most audacious heists in U.S. history.
Director: Bart Layton | Stars: Spencer Reinhard, Warren Lipka, Eric Borsuk, Chas Allen
Votes: 14,279 | Gross: $2.86M
Hotel Transylvania 3: Summer Vacation (2018)
PG | 97 min | Animation, Comedy, Family
Count Dracula and company participate in a cruise for sea-loving monsters, unaware that their boat is being commandeered by the monster-hating Van Helsing family.
Director: Genndy Tartakovsky | Stars: Adam Sandler, Andy Samberg, Selena Gomez, Kevin James
Votes: 13,921 | Gross: $165.38M
The Spy Who Dumped Me (2018)
R | 117 min | Action, Adventure, Comedy
Audrey and Morgan are best friends who unwittingly become entangled in an international conspiracy when one of the women discovers the boyfriend who dumped her was actually a spy.
Director: Susanna Fogel | Stars: Justin Theroux, Blanka Györfi-Tóth, Vilma Szécsi, Mila Kunis
Votes: 12,122 | Gross: $33.47M
King of Thieves (2018)
108 min | Crime, Drama
A true crime film about a crew of retired crooks who pull off a major heist in London's jewelry district. What starts off as their last criminal hurrah quickly turns into a brutal nightmare due to greed. Based on infamous true events.
Director: James Marsh | Stars: Michael Caine, Charlie Cox, Michael Gambon, Ray Winstone
Votes: 580
Manmarziyaan (2018)
156 min | Romance
The film is a love story set in Punjab where Abhishek Bachchan, Taapsee Pannu, and Vicky Kaushal will be seen in prominent roles.
Director: Anurag Kashyap | Stars: Tapsee Pannu, Vicky Kaushal, Abhishek Bachchan, Abdul Quadir Amin
Votes: 1,303 | Gross: $0.29M
The Miseducation of Cameron Post (2018)
Not Rated | 91 min | Drama, Romance
In 1993, a teenage girl is forced into a gay conversion therapy center by her conservative guardians.
Director: Desiree Akhavan | Stars: Chloë Grace Moretz, Steven Hauck, Quinn Shephard, Kerry Butler
Votes: 2,324 | Gross: $0.88M
Cold War (2018)
88 min | Drama, Romance
A passionate love story between two people of different backgrounds and temperaments, who are fatefully mismatched, set against the background of the Cold War in the 1950s in Poland, Berlin, Yugoslavia and Paris.
Director: Pawel Pawlikowski | Stars: Joanna Kulig, Tomasz Kot, Borys Szyc, Agata Kulesza
Votes: 2,079
The Seagull (I) (2018)
PG-13 | 98 min | Drama
In the early 20th century, an aging actress and her lover visit the estate of her elderly brother.
Director: Michael Mayer | Stars: Elisabeth Moss, Saoirse Ronan, Annette Bening, Corey Stoll
Votes: 581 | Gross: $1.25M
Lucky (2017)
Not Rated | 88 min | Comedy, Drama
The spiritual journey of a ninety-year-old atheist.
Director: John Carroll Lynch | Stars: Harry Dean Stanton, David Lynch, Ron Livingston, Ed Begley Jr.
Votes: 10,749 | Gross: $0.96M
The Rider (2017)
R | 104 min | Drama, Western
After suffering a near fatal head injury, a young cowboy undertakes a search for new identity and what it means to be a man in the heartland of America.
Director: Chloé Zhao | Stars: Brady Jandreau, Mooney, Tim Jandreau, Lilly Jandreau
Votes: 4,106 | Gross: $2.39M
The Festival (2018)
98 min | Comedy
After Nick's girlfriend dumps him, his best mate Shane has the perfect antidote to his break-up blues: three days at an epic music festival.
Director: Iain Morris | Stars: Joe Thomas, Hannah Tointon, Hammed Animashaun, Hugh Coles
Votes: 1,162
25th Hour (2002)
R | 135 min | Drama
Cornered by the DEA, convicted New York drug dealer Montgomery Brogan reevaluates his life in the 24 remaining hours before facing a seven-year jail term.
Director: Spike Lee | Stars: Edward Norton, Barry Pepper, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Rosario Dawson
Votes: 160,077 | Gross: $13.06M
The 400 Blows (1959)
Not Rated | 99 min | Crime, Drama
A young boy, left without attention, delves into a life of petty crime.
Director: François Truffaut | Stars: Jean-Pierre Léaud, Albert Rémy, Claire Maurier, Guy Decomble
Votes: 87,835
Funny Cow (2017)
102 min | Comedy, Drama
A comedian uses her troubled past as material for her stand-up routine, trying to rise up through the comedy circuit by playing Northern England's working men's clubs.
Director: Adrian Shergold | Stars: Stephen Graham, Paddy Considine, Maxine Peake, Alun Armstrong
Votes: 514


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I am an Atheist, though I'd rather be considered an Rationalist. Recently I have decided to "come out" as an Atheist and, so far, it has been a real positive experience. I have found a number of people who share the same thoughts and views and I have been fortunate in that my family (Christians), have not removed themselves from my life.
I am a fan of posting, as they say in politics, "controversial" images and posts on Facebook. After posting an, I will admit, over generalized meme, someone I know commented which sparked a, lets call it, discussion. What he said, as shocking as it might seem to you, I have heard many times by Evangelicals. However, this was the first time it was from someone I actually knew.
This is why I have recently decided to come out and try talking about religion more. Beliefs influence your actions and for me personally I want to have as many true beliefs and and as little wrong beliefs as possible. This isn't the choice for everyone. Many people are happy believing something for no good reason or lack of evidence. But this kind of thinking can be very harmful to society. Take a look at the discussion below, and you will see what I am talking about.
I edited the post a little bit (misspellings and grammar).
Christian so you're saying our government is progressing? Getting better? Also confused, what are the Christian dark ages?
Steve Hayes The point I am making here doesn't necessarily have to do with the progress of our government, but more about what happens when those in charge use the bible or religion as it's source for its laws and mindset.
I am sure you have heard of the Dark Ages, but if not I'll help you out. This was when, basically, science was outlawed, to the extent that if you were doing something that the church deemed blasphemous you were killed. This is when we hunted for witches because the bible says to kill witches, homosexuals, those who commit adultery, and the list goes on. If you were not a believer in god you were killed.
In addition this was also the time when the Crusades were going on. So we were killing both our own people and the people of other nations in the name of god. Following god's laws was one of the worst times in history (IMO).
Christian I agree that a belief system shouldn't be forced. As for the witches pretty sure we could do with them. Your correct in that the Bible says to kill them, in the Old Testament. New Testament is a bit more forgiving/lenient. As far as I know, no one is hunting people down for spreading false doctrine or being gay. Although I don't agree with their practices the Great Word says "judge not least yee be judged". I believe there isn't a better set of laws laid forth for mankind to abide by. The farther we get from it the more chaotic the world will be. This is the reason for the Flood. (Noah Ark)\
Christian The Lord looked upon the world and said that "all are LOST, all are have become together worthless and bearing no fruit". I worry for YOU friend, for my Bible says in the coming days, "EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW" I disagree with your propaganda but not going to "unfriend you" take care man. Maybe see ya @high school reunion
Steve Hayes If you are saying that the Old Testament doesn't apply and the New Testament changed everything, let me remind you what Jesus said in the New Testament.
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished." - Mathew 5:18
In other words, all of the laws God dictated in the Old Testament are still to be adhered to. The only laws that were modified were the ones dealing with sacrifices because God though enjoyed the smell of burning blood, no longer required sacrifice.
"Then burn the entire ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the LORD, a pleasing aroma, an offering made to the LORD by fire."Exodus 29:17-19
New Testament is forgiving? Actually it's just as bad if not worse. The idea of thought crimes is introduced in the New Testament. Infinite reward and punishment (Heaven and Hell) comes from the New Testament. Jesus introduces thought crimes, such as thinking of another woman sexually.
Jesus also talks about slavery. (Passing slaves down in the family for they are money and slaves being loyal to unkind masters)------Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
Old Testament (buying slaves and beating them with rods) -----However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
As for homosexuality, actually yes people are killing them. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/08/uganda-gay-death-senten...)
Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill - Often referred to as the "Kill the Gay" Bill
Here in America from the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/02/anti-gay-hate-crimes-murde...)
Sorry best set of laws for mankind? You have got to be kidding me. The bible is a horrible place to get your laws from. It's immoral and teaches you to hate and discriminate.
When beat slave with rod and other slavery in the bible
Eating shellfish (how is this helpful in society?)
"These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat." - Leviticus 11:9
Women not allowed to speak in church------"...women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." - 1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Beat, Stone, and Kill unruly children------"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear." - Deuteronomy 21: 18-21
"For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him." - Leviticus 20:9
"Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him." - Proverbs 13:24
If a woman is raped she must marry her rapist------"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." - Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Noah's ark - there is no evidence of this ever taking place. Besides the lack of evidence, why does god result in using genocide if he is omnipotent? Why didn't he just snap his fingers and fix the problem. And the world is lost eh? Isn't he also omniscient, meaning all knowing? So he already knows what is to come, which means he already knew that man was going to be so bad and yet did nothing to stop it or change it to be the way he wanted it?
My propaganda? Dictionary defines propaganda as "Information, esp. of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view." I am not giving any propaganda, I am giving the fact that we did not advance and went backwards in science during the age in which the bible ruled the lands is, indeed, a fact. So I am not misleading anyone because the information I presented is true.
Seems to me Christian that, no offense, you haven't read your bible. That's what made me an atheist. Your bible is full of contradictions and is straight up wrong. A few more examples? How about how old the earth is? Your bible says 6000 to 10000 whereas science says it's billions. Your bible also says that the earth is flat, the sun stopped for 3 days and that the sun revolves around the earth. That's just for starters. The bible is immoral and teaches you to hate others who don't think like you.
Here is a challenge for you Christian.
Name one thing good that cannot be achieved by purely secular means. In other words name something good that can only be done by people of faith.
Now name something bad that can only be done by a person of faith in the name of faith.
Why is it that it that you can name one after another for the second question but have none (if any) for the first?
Christian The Bible doesn't teach you to hate different types of people. God made a law; this is his world since he created it. So if the man upstairs says being gay is disgraceful and punishable than let it be so. Same goes for everyone while growing up right? Your father's house, his rules. Also ya the Bible says the earth is less than 10k old. So far there is no Evidence to contradict this in ANY form. Evolution is a government funded RELIGION. Why? Because a long time ago it was said that Christians are the greatest threat to the way they want to shape the coming society. I have read the bible threw and threw. You're taking single lines out of context.
Christian When I used the word propaganda, I was referring to the picture you posted of the graph. The graph depicts an unequal scale favoring the point you're trying to make, however factitious it is. Christian dark ages, also propaganda in nature. "Dark ages" is a negative term to give anything.
Christian Times were way different back when the Lord inspired these guys to write. The concern about a woman being raped is that she will not be desirable So since the desire would never arise from another man, the man must keep her. Women in those days only cared about being a wife and mother really.
Christian Noah's ark, years ago a couple men hiked Mt.Erarat. found the ark and brought a piece of it back. Anything these days Christian related is unpublished, unwatched, and discredited without regard for facts. Ever looked at the instructions on how to build the Ark? Pretty damn in depth instructions for a hoax. Besides the proof lay all over the world that it took place. The Grand Canyon is a prime example. Millions of years for that punny lake couldn't erode that canyon. The Flood did that in a matter of days.
Steve Hayes Really the bible doesn't teach you to hate? You just said yourself that you don't think that homosexuality is ok and that it was justified for the killings because your god says it's ok. It teaches you that people who do not believe in the thing as you do not deserve to live. People who don't believe what you believe are bad people, "sinners". Don't even try to sit there on a high horse saying that the bible doesn't teach you to hate. How many times do you see religious protesters holding up signs that say things like "God hates fags"? So to put it simply, you discriminate because your god tells you that it's wrong whereas I have no problem with what other people in the bedroom or what gender other people fall in love with. I hope you read that again and really think about how you sound. It's called an argument from authority. You do what you're told instead of thinking for yourself. Here is a quote to help you understand that.
"Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told.
Obedience is doing what your told regardless of what is right"
Right, so you misused the word propaganda to try and discredit the fact that when the bible was used to run the lands that scientific growth came to a halt. As I said before propaganda is the intent to mislead. As for calling it the Dark Ages, guess what Christian, that's what history has deemed it. Not me. I am not just putting a title on it that is what you learned about in your history books.
Times were different back then? You can't be serious. You are defending rape? You are telling me that you think that it is totally acceptable for the woman to be force to marry the man who raped her? How exactly is THAT moral? How is that punishment to the man who raped her? Don't sit there and try to talk about being desirable and that's why they had to marry. That's complete bullshit. It is immoral and wrong. And where do you get the idea that they wanted to be mothers and wives? Do you not look up things in history man? The who reason for marriage in the first place was a form of trade. You would trade your virgin daughter in exchange for land, goats, money you name it. You might want to check your facts.
/sigh Noah's ark again... You do know they have claimed to find Noah's ark like 40 times now right? That piece of the ark they say was found on the mountain was false. They guy who made it came out and said he used a bunch of house hold materials, including teriyaki sauce, to make it look old. You can find out more about how many times the Ark has been "found" herehttp://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH500.html
So you said that you think the earth is 10000 years old? So can you explain dinosaurs? How about the fact that we can trace back evidence of life billions of years ago? You are claiming that Science is wrong about how old the earth is and the bible is correct? I don't know what creation books you have been reading dude, but you might want to pick up an actual science book and check your facts. As a matter a fact, I would love to see the scientific evidence you have that claims to say the opposite.
And Evolution... so you are one of those too I see. Evolution is a scientific fact. Evolution is the change over time and it has been proven. I would LOVE to see the evidence that Evolution is a government religion... Again, you might want to check your facts man. The theory of evolution is as much a fact as the theory of gravity, theory of relativity, etc. Before you try and go saying that the word theory means guess, you are wrong. In scientific terms a theory is the graduation level. It's the highest level of understanding or the best known explanation of whatever it is it claims. It DOES NOT mean it is an absolute truth. Again, it's the best understanding we have with the facts and evidence available.
Again man please goes check your facts. You try and make it sound like Christian findings are somehow hidden from the public. 80% to 85% of Americans are religious in one way or another. Christianity is the most popular of all those religions. So to try and say that something as important as the Ark being found was just shoved under the rug is just ridiculous. None of the claims have ever produced any evidence of the truth of the Ark.
Steve Hayes Oh and as fort those statements being out of context, that's a load of craps too. There is no context that is ever ok to own another human being, force someone who was raped to marry the rapist, harming and killing others because they don't think the same you, beating and killing children, resulting to genocide when you don't get your way. Go ahead man, show me the light where any of that is within context and is totally acceptable.
Christian I'm truly glad that your passionate about you believe in. Seriously. Most people don't even have an opinion. As for religion, Christianity, Government and Evolution it appears well never convince each other it's any other way. If you truly want to hear some arguments with Science based theories/Bible quotes/etc. I have some videos I'd love to show ya from Dr. Kent Hovind (think that's how to spell his name) he was a science teacher for like 15years. He know all about the theory of relativity and so on
Christian Also, no I don't believe a man should go unpunished for rape. I'd rather kill someone and spend 10-20 in prison then let them walk. As for killing gay people, I think that's a bit extreme. I think it's disgusting but each to his own
Steve Hayes Kent Hovind yes I know who he is. He has the creation museum that has humans and dinosaurs existing together. Kent Hovind has been proven wrong countless times and shown that he has no idea what he is talking about. Same with Ray Comfort (the banana argument guy). I can go into more about how bad it is that you try and use Kent as an" expert", but I'd prefer you do your research.
Steve Hayes Killing gay is extreme? According to you it's completely justified to kill gays. It's a law from your god and as you said, if it's his world, who are you to not follow his orders?
Christian Kent Hovind hasn't been proving wrong in any aspect. People are always going to deny their creator but that's each person's problem when they face him come Judgment day. And ya id be justified for the gays, but who am I to judge. "Every knee shall bow" and answer for their sins. Only I'll be forgiven. .
Christian Of course humans walked with dinosaurs. Look around you man! There can only be to answers for how the world got here. Either someone made it or it created itself. The second being entirely impossible. For you would have to have stellar evolution to create the plants/stars/moons from absolutely nothing. Matter can neither be created or destroyed....look it up. Then you have to have organic evolution. Micro and macro evolution. How many kinds of plants do you think there is in the world? How many sea creatures? How many birds? All these came from some ridicules "Soup" and generated a male/female larvae/egg/sperm/baby? Then managed to survive with no food/water/heat long enough to mature? Then these animals would have to produce enough young in the right conditions and reproduce. If only 1 male or 1 female spewed you'd lose that species. Ever look at the planets? If they all exploded from unknown source, they would all be spinning in the same direction.
Steve Hayes Once again you are incorrect on many of your arguments. Firstly, no humans did not roam with dinosaurs. There are no fossil records or any evidence that this is true. There is however evidence that proves that dinosaurs are millions of years old and we have transitional forms where we can follow the changes of many species. Why don't you give me your evidence that humans and dinosaurs walked the earth together?
You are making a ton of arguments from ignorance. There are not just two ways like you assert and just because you can't come up think of any other ways doesn't mean you get to say god did it. Telling me to look around as if trees, birds, the grass are proof of some creator because you don't understand how life adapts and grows. I've heard the intelligent design argument (or watch maker) and it has yet to provide any evidence. Again, an argument from ignorance.
Clearly you don't understand evolution. The big bang is not a part of evolution, that's abiogenesis. Evolution is the change over time of life that already exists from generation to generation. Evolution isn't it claiming to have answers for our origin or that it can create life out of nothing. As for earth, again if you look to a science book, it explains that the earth had formed, roughly, 4.5 billion years ago. The solar system including earth was the result of a solar nebula that collapsed from the formation of the sun. Over the course of millions of years (currently it is estimated to be between 10-20 million years) dust and gas began forming into the earth's molten core. As the crust of the core cooled earth thus began being formed.
As for the planets spinning in different directions, again, this has already been explained by science. If you must know, the "backwards" planets and moons are in no way contrary to the nebular hypothesis I mentioned above. Part of the hypothesis is that the nebula of gas and dust would accrete into planetessimals. Catastrophic collisions between these would be part of planet building. Such collisions and other natural processes can account for the retrograde planets and moons.
The only moons that orbit retrograde are small asteroid-sized distant satellites of giant planets such as Jupiter and Saturn, plus Triton (Neptune's large moon) and Charon (Pluto's satellite). The small retrograde satellites of Jupiter and Saturn were probably asteroids captured by the giant planets long after formation of the solar system. It is actually easier to be captured into a retrograde orbit. The Neptune system also contains one moon, Nereid, with a highly eccentric orbit. It appears that some sort of violent capture event may have taken place. The Pluto-Charon system is orbiting approximately "on its side," technically retrograde, with tidally locked rotation. As these are small bodies in the outer solar system, and binaries are likely to have been formed through collisions or gravitational capture, this does not violate the nebular hypothesis.
Uranus is rotating more or less perpendicular to the plane of the ecliptic. This may be the result of an off-center collision between two protoplanets during formation. Venus is rotating retrograde but extremely slowly, with its axis almost exactly perpendicular to the plane of its orbit. The rotation of this planet may well have started out prograde, but solar and planetary tides acting on its dense atmosphere have been shown to be a likely cause of the present state of affairs. It is probably not a coincidence that at every inferior conjunction, Venus turns the same side toward Earth, as Earth is the planet that contributes most to tidal forces on Venus.
As far as I know we do not have any evidence of something coming from nothing. Including your god. Your god is something right? If he is something than he must have had beginning, by your own logic something cannot come from nothing, so where did your god come from? Besides that, I am not claiming, nor is atheism by the way, that something can come from nothing. It's very possible that the universe has just always existed. The real truth is that we do not yet know the answer to that question. Or at least, we of rational minds. You claim to have the answer. God right? May I see your evidence?
Steve Hayes As for Kent Hovind... Man you really need to learn more about his credentials and his "arguments". Here is some help.http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind
Christian Dude there have been findings of human foot prints walking next to dinosaurs. A guy from Berkley (known evolutionist) refused to even look at the prints when he showed up. He then reported having "not seen any proof". Seek and yee shall find. You found your answers and I have mine. That's why they call it a religion, requires one to have faith. You call your privately funded, humanist views facts and I'll stick to what makes more sense. Basically Atheism means there's no point to life. Who is to say that killing/rape/theft should be punishable if there is no Lord God? Everyone in this world is gonna die, never to live again and just become dirt so anything goes. Why not run around doing whatever ya like? Might as well get that dumb ass tattoo I call the sinners motto "live life to the fullest"... ... which I guess I believe they should...their going to hell for all eternity so might as well enjoy the 10min they have in this life haha
Steve Hayes Christian I have asked you over and over for evidence, and you have yet to provide any. I am done trying to have an actual discussion/debate with you about your beliefs. Instead of answer the questions and discussing information I provided above, you instead continued proselytizing spouting off your beliefs trying to attain the moral high ground.
Atheism is the rejection of the belief that one or more gods exist. It does not say by any means there is no point to life. It does not dictate my values or moral beliefs. I use logic, reason, and evidence.
Steve Hayes: Atheist
- Does not and has not killed anyone
- No homosexuals
- No children
- No men or women
- Does not and has not raped anyone
- No men or women
- No children
- Does not steal
- is an honest person- is a loving person
- loves his family more than you love your magical sky daddy. And I would NEVER put anyone before my family or friends like your "loving" god tell you to do. "Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." - (Matthew 10:37)
How ignorant are you to try and say that I have no point to life. I have many reasons for living, every one of them just as valid as yours. The difference is I believe that we have just this one life to live and there is no after life. With one life to live it makes reality infinitely more valuable and all the more reason to be a good person. I'm not trying to live this life scoring brownie points with some god whom says I deserve to be tortured for eternity, not because I was a bad person, but because I don't claim I'm powerless without him and accept Jesus as my savior from sin (something your god invented himself). According to your god I am going to hell and you think that I DESERVE it. The fact that I am a good person means nothing unless I believe what you believe.
And yet you question my morality?
Christian Already explained it. Gave you the answers yet you keep asking the same questions. If he created it he can make whatever rules/laws/commands he sees fit. Doesn't matter if you like it, understand why or agree. Doesn't matter if you think, or society thinks you're a decent person. Also I don't need to "try to attain moral high ground" it's already assumed without saying.
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Cut that person out of your life. Fast. Such blind and willful ignorance will never change.
Amazing, and frightening. These people vote!
@Sagacious Fortunately this person isn't involved in my life at all, just someone I knew from my high school days.
@Diane Sadly it's worse than that, they try to legislate their ideas and force them on everyone when they barely understand what is in their own holy book
That was a good read. It perfectly shows how far gone some people are in that brain washing. Your profile says Washington, but I had heard the northwest was a much more progressive area. I have the joy of getting into conversations much like your own several times a week down here in the bible belt. I have found that there are positives to arguments like this over a public social media site. Many other people have the chance to read the atheist point of view and see just how bat shit crazy religion seems when it is side by side.
Lol, this guy must be for my state of Louisiana! This is the kind of wall I used to hit every time. I just gave up on the fight and leave them alone now. I've just become to hostile to deal with it any more. I got a state full of hard core christians and republicans.
The really big problem is one of these people could well be the next President of the U.S. and he, as well as George W. believed in Armageddon - this man, who has sat behind a desk all his life - has no clue of Foreign Affairs - his magic knickers aren't going to save anybody.
Keep on criticizing these kinds of people, if you want a better future in your country you need to keep on talking with these people.
Sounds like typical theist crap..
Reading many of his responses had my stomach churning. I am disgusted and horrified by this guy.
It's moments like these, aka any time I ever hear anything a theist says, that I think back to the 'terrifying' future of thought crime and brainwashing of 1984. Everything in that book describes religion perfectly.
In particular the book talks about how people learn to brainwash themselves...even if they know something isn't true, they just accept it anyways...by believing it, it becomes true within their own personal reality. People believing 2+2=5 is the same as christians believing any of what they believe. It's all just a big delusion.
Rational/logical thought is rendered impotent when the "Bible" (or any "holy book") is considered authoritative.


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August's full Moon has come and gone. While it wasn't the second one occurring this month, it was a "Blue Moon" according to a definition dating to the 1930s.The Moon was full early today at 3:45 Universal Time, which was last night for North Americans. Ordinarily, its timing would have passed by largely unnoticed. But, at last check, Google has tallied more than 50,000 mentions of this celestial moment as a "Blue Moon."
Wait, what? Isn't that supposed to mean the second full Moon in a given month? That's the definition that we often hear in the news these days. For example, there were two full Moons in August 2012.
The situation is confusing, and Sky & Telescope is largely to blame — thanks to a calendrical goof that worked its way into the magazine's pages back in March 1946.
Nearly a decade earlier, "Blue Moon" had been used in the Maine Farmers' Almanac to mean the third full Moon in a season containing four of them (rather than the usual three). This occasional add-on was needed to keep the tradition sequence of names — Wolf Moon, Strawberry Moon, Harvest Moon, and so on — in sync with the calendar. In 2013 full Moons fall (reckoned by Universal Time) on June 23rd, July 22nd, August 21st, and September 19th. That's four occurrences between June's solstice and September's equinox. So, like a round of celestial musical chairs, August's is the misfit and hence a "Blue Moon."
But in a 1946 S&T article, amateur astronomer James Hugh Pruett (1886–1955) made an incorrect assumption about how these extra orbs are handled. That's where the two-full-Moons-in-a-month notion got started.
It might have remained an obscure celestial aside, except that it resurfaced during a 1980 broadcast of the "StarDate" radio program. Then it showed up in the popular board game Trivial Pursuit. The genie was out of the bottle, as celestial sleuths Don Olson, Rick Fienberg, and Roger Sinnott detail here.In the graph at right, the occasions reckoned by the Maine Farmer's Almanac rule are actually less common than the two-per-month events (which double up in 1999 and 2018, for example). So saying "once in a blue Moon" to mean a rare occurrence will be more meaningful if we return to the MFA definition. Interestingly, the "Maine rule" dictates that Blue Moons can occur only in February, May, August, and November — whereas two full Moons can never occur in February.
The original meaning of the term is lost to antiquity, as Philip Hiscock explains, though it's been used for centuries. Conceivably the phrase "once in a blue Moon" derived from those truly rare times when the Moon takes on a pale blue tint due to atmospheric effects (such as high-altitude ash from a volcanic eruption).
Frankly, I like how the Maine Farmer's Almanac meaning ties into seasonal cycles. As pioneering aviator Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (or was it Carl Sandburg?) once said, "The time for action is now. It's never too late to do something." So let the campaign to get those Blue Moons back where they belong start here!


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SARASOTA, Florida (Reuters) - Dressed casually in a T-shirt, calf-length cargo pants and flip-flops, Nik Wallenda looks no different from many of the hundreds of spectators who have turned out in recent days to watch him practice for his next high-wire act.
There are no pretentious airs about him, and no spangled outfits.
"Hey, how ya doing, man?" he asked while stopping to shake the hand of a man trying to take his picture with an iPad and then pausing to high-five a few kids.
But what Wallenda is preparing for is anything but routine.
For two weeks in his hometown of Sarasota, Florida, the aerialist and holder of half a dozen world records has been practicing for what will be his biggest feat yet - a quarter-mile (400-metre) walk across the Grand Canyon on a steel cable with nothing but the Little Colorado River 1,500 feet below.
With no tethers or safety nets, the walk will be the highest tightrope attempt ever for the 34-year-old, at a height taller than the Empire State Building. It is scheduled to be shown live on June 23 on the Discovery Channel.
Last year, Wallenda, a seventh-generation member of the "Flying Wallendas" family of acrobats, became the only person to walk a wire over the brink of Niagara Falls.
Wallenda and his team are focused on creating the conditions he'll likely face at the Grand Canyon. The Florida heat, while humid as opposed to arid, cooperates, with temperatures rising through the 80s (27-32 C) by mid-morning.
But the winds that whip up and around the Grand Canyon walls pose another challenge. Wallenda recently faced heavy winds during a test run and practiced as Tropical Storm Andrea barreled onshore along the Gulf Coast.
To ramp up conditions without a storm, his team one day set up air boats in the water alongside the steel cable he uses to practice on, pushing winds in updrafts to 91 mph.
The canyon's winds won't bother him, he said.
"I'm not scared of them," he said while gliding along the cable, his flip-flops replaced by black moccasins specially made by his mother.
As he walked and spoke, spectators watched from behind metal parade barricades. "I have to respect it, but I would never do what I do if I was scared," he said.
Wallenda regularly emphasizes mental concentration and positive thinking as the secrets to his success.
Since he started walking on a wire at age 2, he has been stung by a bee and had birds land on his balancing pole during performances.
He told reporters that he has no superstitions or rituals before his walks. He prays - his Christian faith plays a big part in his new book "Balance" - and hugs his wife and three children, telling them he'll see them in a few minutes.
With spectators' eyed glued on him, Wallenda and his balancing pole made one trip along the 1,200-foot (366-metre) cable and back, projecting the image of a body builder and a ballet dancer combined. Then he sat down - on the cable.
"Does anyone have any questions?" he asked the crowd, his legs dangling from his perch.
They did. How heavy is the balancing pole? Forty-three pounds (20 kg). Does he work out? Yes, at the gym. How long will it take him to cross the Grand Canyon? Twenty to thirty minutes.
Wallenda spoke openly about the reality of the dangers - including the ones that claimed his great-grandfather, Karl Wallenda, a great inspiration to him.
In 1978, the legendary sky walker fell to his death during a high-wire walk in Puerto Rico, a tragedy that Wallenda said studies showed was caused by a combination of bad rigging and his great-grandfather's age and recent injuries that left him too weak to hold on to the wire.
"There's a time to retire," he said.
But Wallenda is not there yet, as he readies to embark on what has been a dream for years.
It's a dream with a 1,500-foot drop below him, which will be "extremely mentally draining," he said.
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The Brownstown High School girls basketball team lost in its first-round regional tournament game to Dieterich, 58-53, on Monday to end its season with a 12-12 record.
A .500 record is a disappointing finish for a team that before the season had aspirations of, at the very least, playing in a regional championship game.
That would have been challenging, considering the state-ranked Cowden-Herrick/Beecher City co-op would have been the next opponent for the Lady Bombers had they defeated the Movin' Maroons.
The South Central High School girls basketball was unable to play all its regular-season games due to cancellations, but a shortened season did not stop the Lady Cougars from winning their first-round regional tournament game at Red Hill on Monday.
Facing Midland Trail Conference rival Clay City, South Central got 12 points from senior Ashley Pollard in a 37-30 win, despite not having practiced in eight days.
The Lady Cougars advanced to play MTC regular-season champion North Clay on Wednesday at 8 p.m.
Brownstown celebrates seniors with big win against Ramsey
Brownstown honored its seniors before Monday's game against Ramsey and followed up the celebration with its best offensive output of the season in a dominating 82-53 win against Ramsey.
Senior Bryce Mason had a season-high 28 points, and fellow senior Zach Rigdon added 15.
Despite the lopsided outcome, the Bombers and Rams were tied at 16 after the first period.
Freshman Megan Godoyo had her best varsity performance, but more than 20 Vandal turnovers allowed Litchfield to spoil senior night with a 68-60 victory last Friday.
Godoyo finished the game with a career-high 16 points and came one rebound short of a double-double.
She played a lot of minutes at the point guard position, both to spell junior Haley Wollerman, who suffered an ankle injury at Carlinville the night before, and because coach Michelle McNary plans to start Godoyo there next season.
With 4:15 left in Saturday's game against Marquette Catholic, the Vandalia High School boys basketball team trailed by 12 points.
Just 2:10 later, that deficit was cut to five by a free throw from sophomore Tim Ritchey, and the Vandals seemed to have had found the stroke they had been seeking since the second quarter, when they outscored the Explorers, 13-10.
But Vandalia went cold again, making just one basket in the final 2:05, while the Explorers added seven more points to earn a 60-50 win.
PANA – Though the Vandalia High School boys basketball team clawed its way to only a three-point deficit on three different occasions in the second half of Monday's road game at Pana, the Panthers used their superior height and speed to pull away to a 67-52 victory.
That 15-point final margin doesn't reflect the closeness of the game, as the Vandals went toe-to-toe with the Panthers, who are now 18-3 overall and 7-1 in conference play.
FARINA – Vandalia allowed the first basket of Tuesday's game to South Central, but the Vandals would then outscore the Cougars 17-0 over the next 7:19 in what proved to be the difference-maker in a 45-40 win.
"I really liked our start," said Vandals coach Kevin Jackson. "I thought our kids came out ready to play, and that was a big key to the game."
In the second period, however, the Cougars (8-16) started off on a 6-0 run over the first 4:15 to cut Vandalia's lead to three.
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Removing your register entry
If you consider that registration ceases to be necessary at any time during the registration period, you should write to us with full details and your registration number. Provided it is appropriate to do so, we will remove your entry from the register. We will then write to you to confirm that the entry has been removed.
Changes of legal entity
A register entry is not transferable from one data controller to another; if there is a change in the legal entity of the data controller, a new entry must be made in the register. Examples of changes in legal entity are when a sole trader becomes a partnership or a partnership becomes a limited company. If your previous entry is no longer required you must write in to request removal of your register entry..