text:
|Thread Tools
|Search this Thread
|2nd September 2015, 20:37
My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
My brown little hippo.
The story of my car search ended up like a recent hit Malayalam flick – 'Premam' in which the protagonist ends up marrying his first love's sister. Fell in love with the 1.6, bought the 1.3.
After six years with my Dzire VDI, I wanted a car which was more safe, had a little bit more space and had better driving dynamics. Previous generation dzires had soft rear suspension and a sporty front suspension. So the ride was as harsh as a swift and as wallowy as a verna. Steering was great and the gear box was perfect. I used to love the 1.3 MJD, though I could not push her to limits in the Dzire. Search for a new car started this January. It started with the 4s verna, then the linea, the vento, rapid, ciaz, duster, ecosport, creta and the s cross. I do not want to elaborate on all the positives and negatives of these cars, especially as these have already been discussed. The cars which I considered finally were the S Cross, Creta and the Duster.
Linea T jet was really good to drive, but I was not looking for a petrol option. The linea design was getting long in the tooth. The 4s verna was identical to the previous generation one. Vento and Rapid were good to drive, but space was limited and they were due for a replacement. Took the test drive of the Ciaz, it had this floaty feel about it. Suspension was too soft, steering was light and the boot lid was flimsier than in my Dzire (I always thought that Dzire had the worst bootlid). I understood that the current C segment had nothing I yearned for.
Then came the options in the Cross over segment. I took the TD of the Ecosport. It had some appeal but it was short and space was at a premium. Add to that the light steering and the harsh ride. More over the iron box / hovercraft look put me off. There were so many of them on the roads and I did not want to be one of them. Then came the time for TD of the duster. I drove my uncle's terrano fo a few hours in open roads and in traffic. Ergonomics for a six footer was pathetic. Front seats were not tall, had poor lumbar support and my upper back was supported by the head rest. Interiors felt as if from a class below and from the 1990s. It did have a good ride and the handling was good. But first you have to sit comfortably before driving. Took the TD of the Duster and it also did not impress me. Then came the phase when I ended the car search for almost 2 months. News came from tbhp about the launch of the creta and s cross.
The news about a 1.6 MJD attracted me to the S Cross. Eagerly waited and booked the S Cross. I always try to stay away from Hyundai (Wounds left by the Hyundai A$$ in the early 2000s) but some how the Creta also attracted me to it. But I did not want that SUV height and look. Then came the pricing of the Creta, when I zeroed on the S Cross. Soon those 'cruel men' announced the 1.6 S cross pricing.
Why name him "HIPPO"
S cross has this character that I liked. It reminded me of the mythical animal hippogriff. It was not a true hatch or a pseudo-SUV. It rode like a sedan, had the poise of a cross over and was powerful in the 1.6 avatar.
But since 1.6 was way out of my budget and Creta drive was not impressive I zeroed on the S cross DDIS 200. More over the Creta variant in my budget was the SX which did not have many features I wanted. The SX+ variant was priced close to 15 lacs which was a huge barrier in my mind. The 15L barrier was something which I did not want to cross at this stage of my life.
Features that attracted me to the DDIS 200 alpha
Within my budget
Low speed manners in the city
Excellent midrange and good cruising ability, 1.3 MJD can perform at its best in this car
Option for a remap later as the car is ready for a higher power output
In gear timings comparable to ciaz and 40-100 in 4th gear as good as or only a shade lower than the 1.6/DDIS 320. (Ref ACI test of the S cross, Ciaz)
Driving Dynamics, ride and handling
Alpha is fully loaded, only tyres need to be upgraded
90% of the spare parts will still be easily available even if the S cross ends up a flop show
Plane jane looks, uninspiring 'sad looking' front end, poor rear light cluster
Zeta was more VFM
Lacks power with poor high end and poor acceleration post 90 kmph
No rear ac vents
Looks and feel of some plastic bits in the cabin, from its younger siblings, rattles when you throw in powerful components on the front doors (Damping needed for audio installs)
Rear seat back a bit too straight and the headrest issue as already discussed in the official review.
Creta 1.6 CRDI
Looks, Looks, ..... X 100, Looks way butch, Will have loads of road presence
Good low end with lesser turbo lag compared to DDIS 320
NVH levels simply superb
Tall front seats
Good ergonomics for a six footer (straight opposite of the Duster)
Partially loaded SX+ touches 15 L OTR and SX O touches 16 L OTR
Folks at home will have a hard time getting in to that back seat.
Shorter drivers would struggle to find an excellent driving position. Taller drivers (more than 6 2") can brush their head on the roof.
Steering feel at low speeds, very important while switching lanes and reversing
Wallowy ride over some bad roads
Rear end styling not to my tastes
Side profile looks top heavy and looks like a 'topple-ready'car, does not have the planted stance of the Ecosport.
Moreover I loved the way DDIS 200 drove in the city. It is more than adequate for a city like Cochin with narrow roads and potholes (especially with the metro rail project going on). My weekend drives were in narrow laned state high ways where the maximum speed that could be attained would be close to 80kmph. May be once in a blue moon you can speed upto 100 kmph. I don't do much of inclines / ghats or interstate runs. I should have booked the Zeta, as it was the variant with the maximum value for money. But at least once in life I wanted a full options model of the chosen car. To me the DDIS 200 and the DDIS 320 are from different segments. DDIS 320 in my opinion, can be classified at the lower D rung.
Booking Experience – Below par
Pre-booked the car with the Sai Service team. Nexa staff had not been appointed at that time. Once the car was booked, went to a mall nearby to see it in flesh. Doubts came into my mind about the size of the car. Only blueprints reassured me.
The 1.6 brown which was my first love
Initial senior RM assigned to me was inefficient. But I think he was one of the senior team leaders or something. He was unavailable to take call, was always in meetings, did not inform the prices or offered a test drive. I had to call repeatedly for these. Meanwhile I booked the Creta as well once the prices of the S cross were announced. Hyundai sales manager was a gem compared to the suited Nexa-walas. He came to my office, collected the booking amount, cleared all my doubts, arranged a test drive and promised to deliver the SX variant by end of September. I must congratulate Mr Sidhique of VTJ Hyundai, Ernakulam for being so efficient. Sad I could not go ahead with the purchase of the Creta, as I could not somehow connect with the product. He even called me last week to talk about booking amount refund arrangements. Probably the Nexa showroom was just being inaugurated and they were all busy in setting up the showroom. The investment was Rs 1.5 crores they say.
Back to back TDs of the 1.6 and 1.3 arranged by Nexa sealed the deal for me. I admire the 1.6 but I could hardly use its power and torque for my daily use. Moreover it was out of my budget. I came out impressed with the 1.3 DDIS 200 more than I had anticipated. Hence decided to go ahead with the alpha variant.
Nexa Cochin quoted 12.84 L OTR (includes additional 3rd and 4th year warranties) for DDIS alpha caffeine brown. Did the PDI and the car was delivered as promised.
Hippo in the yard where I did the PDI
The Delivery experience
The delivery experience was nice. The Nexa showrooms have a separate delivery bay. Our name will be displayed on the giant TV screen. RM handed over the key, accompanied by the manager who gave sweets (Ferero) and a bouquet of rose buds. All instructions were given appropriately. They gave a free fuel coupon for 5 litres of diesel. I have heard about VW and Skoda giving tankful of fuel. Atleast they could have offered 10 litres of it. Went to the fuel station and got a tankful of diesel (40 litres).
The tyre and alloy swap
Drove the hippo out to the tyre shop (Tyrex Cochin). Mr Radhakrishnan, the owner of the shop was very courteous, showed me the alloys and the tyres. He gave a fairly okay deal on the JKs and the hideous Maruti alloys. Swapped the tyres for 225 55 R 16 Hankook Ventus MEO1s and alloys for GTR black with machined lip ones. Total cost was 70k (39k for tyres and 31k for alloys) and 31k was offered for buyback of the stock ones. Paid 39k for the swap.
The tyre upgrade IMO changed the character of the car. My hippo became the hippo post tyre upgrade (alloys and tyres). The tyre upgrade that I did is not recommended as it can potentially void the suspension warranty. However there is no difference in the proportions except the width. See the chart below.
Dashboard plastics are top notch.The cental portion surrounding the AVN unit could have been matt, as the glossy finish is prone to scratches. The door panels and power window switches are from 2 segments below. Seems like they are prone to rattle. Had rattling when I installed aftermarket components. Moreover only the front power window had an illuminated button. You need to scramble for them at night for adjusting the mirrors. You should have a good right parietal lobe for a good somasthetic faculty to select those switches at night. Even a 2001 accent had illuminated power window switches.
Window switches - The potential rattle snake
I would have preferred a little bit wider seats in the front, but lateral support is excellent. Me being a bit on the heavier side, I felt it to be too snug for my liking. But the seats are better than the ecosport seats and top tapering ones of the Creta. Miles ahead of the Duster 'rocking chair'. Height adjustment with steering tilt and telescoping means finding a good driving position is very easy. Sliding armrest and door handle cushioning is perfect. However the gear lever is placed a bit forward, so driving with seat pushed back means, stretching the left arm to a good measure. The gear lever is short and smooth shifting, it has a glossy finish to the head and is scratch prone. Even a ring in the left hand can scratch it.
The sweet gear shifter - Look carefully and you can see a scratch
The leather wrapped steering is really good. It is true that Maruti uses the same steering wheel for all cars but the leather work on it is sheer class. If I recollect only the Vento has similar finish in the price range. Hyundai's steering is a bit slippery in comparison. Honking the horn is a stretch. There is a high chance that anyone can accidently press the cruise control or the mode buttons disrupting the AVN. The horn boss is fir and requires a firm press. The centre of the horn boss feels soft to touch compared to the sides. Horn sound is classical dual 'meek' which is good for town as well as the highway.
Interior storage, practicality & boot space
Interior space was really good. The space available is comparable to a duster and definitely at par with the creta. Because you sit high, the front seats need not be slidled back completely and hence rear passenger knee room is excellent. The four door bottle holders are really nice. The cubby holes close to the gear lever are small and does not have the practicality of ones in the last generation swift. The hand brake positioning is not good, it is the set up for a left hand drive car. The storage space in the arm rest is convenient, but more deeper than wide. If you are planning to keep a modern 'more than 5 inch' smart fone in there, you will have to keep it vertically. The storage space in front of the gear lever below the ACC controls are also very convenient. I miss a soft rubber padding for placing your phone or keys or wallet. The phone kept there slides during cornering and turning. The sun glass holder is good, but not felt or rubber lined. My usual glasses rattle on bad roads and is an irritant while driving. Planning a DIY felt lining. The glove box is more deep than broad, which limits the utility. It will take a tab and a fairly large handbag. The vanity mirrors and lights are very practical. My wifey loved those. Boot space is excellent. It is as deep as in the Creta, but the height is less. Hence the lower capacity. It is as large as in the new Dzire sedan / Figo Aspire. Pics will be added.
Automatic climate control and centre console
AC chills the cabin fast. However the all black interiors and the brown colour delays cooling after being parked in hot sun. AVN system touch screen is all touch operated. I prefer the one on the creta which has additional buttons and a matte finished screen unlike the glossy screen on the S cross.
In car entertainment
Audio system is ok, its built for bass and highs. Vocals and mids get drowned. Fader controls and presets are good. Speakers are paper cones. The touchscreen is responsive and ok to use. However it is a pain to use the touchscreen while driving. IMO, there should be physical buttons on the central console for power, volume, mode, phone and settings. The unit connects to my android phone (huawei honor) easily. Taking calls are easy. Speech recognition is not very good. The 'lady in the avn' recognises Indian accents well, but South indian accents are difficult to go through. Often ends up calling the wrong person. The lady speaks more Indian-ised English compared to the accent of the 'lady in the ecosport'. For me, that lady is irritating. I usually take calls on the bluetooth telephony. I never dare to make calls. May be I need more practice.
I have not tried navigation. Will give it a try and update the thread later. I would prefer google maps any day. Waiting for android HUs to become popular, so that one day I can replace the HU with a pioneer android AVN and upgrade to soundstage.
Picture of the speakers used at stock locations by maruti, paper cones with electromagnets rated at 25w
ICE upgrade
Upgraded the stock speakets
Front components - Morel Maximo 6.5" components rated at 90 W RMS (9k)
Rear - Morel Maximo 6.5" coaxials (4.5k)
Planned upgrade (Wil be done in the subsequent months as steps)
1. Damping of all four doors - Noisekill / Dynamat
2. Amplifier - 4 channel A/B Focal Auditor and cables
3. Subwoofer - ID 8 inch shallow mount sub in a custom box that can fit into the groove/ditch on one side in the boot.
Automatic headlamps work like a charm. It switches on in dark earlier than I anticipate, but is really handy in situations like driving in a road with frequent tunnels. It is also useful when you have bad weather with intermittent torrential rains. The projector has HIDs. It has excellent illumination forward. There are no cornering lamps. There are reflectors housed inside the cluster that does the work of cornering lights. The illumination to the sides are also excellent. Moreover the foglamps work pretty well to illuminate everything on either side. The lighting is more efficient than the 90/100 that I had in my Dzire. Here are the pictures.
Head lamp clusters are too big and makes the car look proportionately small.I would have preferred smaller ones. The recent international version should have taken care of it.
The rear light cluster
It is too simple for my tastes. These are clear lens units. They look like they are from early 2000s. Ciaz has a similar unit. The Hyundais have far better units. Slightly larger and better styled unit would have beefed up the rear look I think. (I am sure they will overdo it in the face-lift) However they do the work brilliantly. Omission of rear fog lamps in the Indian model was disappointing. Reversing lights are pretty strong. The strong reversing lights and the poor quality of reversing cam blows out the details in the objects at night. However obstacles can be identified and the sensors help.
The Engine, ride and handling
Driving the DDIS 200 is easy in town. It is a sedate performer. It is sedate and it performs. (Run in period - I am a bit easy on the throttle). It is no swift or the dzire. I drove in a sedate manner as it was in the run in period. I always upshift close to 1500-1800 rpm. If you drive it in the third gear in town, it performs well, relly makes it drivable about town. If you upshift to fourth it becomes a cruiser than a rocket. You will have to cross the 2500 rpm mark in 4th gear to get some performance (80+ kmph). Post 2000 rpm the engine wakes up and post 2500 rpm you start getting the shove.
Torque is adequate for driving in town, but not enough for those signal light enthusiastic starts. Enthusiasts who like to get low end torque and highway buffs who love the top end will be disappointed. The only way to get performance out is to push her hard to higher revs. The engine is more rev happy than the swift. I think I get servings of power dollops post 2.5k rpm compared to post 2k rpm on the swift. 1.6 Hippogriff has wings of a hawk, while my little 1.3 hippo has wings of a sparrow. Waiting for the engine to open up now. Seems like the enthusiast in me will be satisfied only with a remap. However a family man in me is very satisfied. My wife is relieved that the engine is less powerful than she had expected. She used to scream at the turbo kicks of the swift. This 1.3 MJD in the S cross is more rev friendly, less peaky and very silent compared to the first generation swifts. NVH levels are out of this world for an MJD. Keep her below 1.5k rpm and she is very silent. A sedate cruise makes for a wafty 'luxurious-feel' ride. The suspension is excellent. I feel it is as good as the duster. Handling is superb. I am noticing some understeer post the tyre upgrade to 225 55 R 16 but I sure can get used to it and live with it. Ride and handling is excellent. Brakes are superb and have fantastic bite. You can continue to cruise inspite of poor roads, use lesser brakes and overtaking is a breeze if you downshift.
For a swift owner, gearshift is notchy. It is transformation from a sharp click to a blunt 'clack/clunk'. Shifting down from fifth gear is an issue. Not sure whether it is limited to my car. One out of ten times I have this tendency to engage the reverse instead of the fourth. Now I am more careful to push the lever more to left and then pulling it back. In the swift, fifth to fourth is just a pull back involving 2 clicks. But the clutch is super light and easier on the left knee compared to the 1.6.
However all those issues disappear when you start enjoying the wafty ride and smooth sail even on bad roads. This baby takes curves well. No drama at curves, though the body roll is evident. I dont feel like pushing the engine as I hardly hear it at cruising speeds. On pushing hard all you hear is a faint sporty rumble which is enjoyable. It wont keep up with a vento, polo or a rapid but sure can outrun a 85 ps duster, city diesel or an ecosport. Creta and Duster would win a drag race easily, but at the end of the day, you reach the same place at the same time. Eventhough I feel that S cross is slow I have started reaching the office quite early (earlier by 5-10 minutes in a 45 minute drive). May be it is a bit slower than the competition but has this property of masking speeds and acceleration.
A 1.3 S cross owner would always think about an upgrade to 1.6 as the car is capable of taking even a 1.9. Was eagerly waiting for the run in period to end to experiment with higher revs. Started revving the engine hard above 2k rpm post that 1000 km mark. Revving is rewarded beautifully in the midrange. This baby hippo pulls and pulls till 130 kmph in the fifth gear comfortably after which the progress is slow and the needle goes past 3k rpm. Tried the car in inclines. The revv band has to be above 2000 rpm to extract optimum performance on the ghats and slopes.
Pics for visual pleasure
The angle from which you shoot changes the look of the car
Notice the squat of the car post tyre upgrade. Looks butch
Alloys - GTR
The side profile
Last edited by GTO : 9th September 2015 at 10:33. Reason: Spacing :)
|(45) Thanks
|The following 45 BHPians Thank sandygordon for this useful post:
Aficionados, alphadog, ampere, anky, Aragorn, BaluJ, GranvilleDsouza, GTO, HappyWheels, InControl, Indian, joednazareth, JoseVijay, KrisTvpm, lovetorque, lurker, mallumowgli, Max, mp417, mrbaddy, NetfreakBombay, Nicky, paddu, paragsachania, poised2drive, procrj, racer_m, rav11stars, rednikhil, Rehaan, S2!!!, Safedriver76, samabhi, smuniswami, SnS_12, spdfreak, sreepathy, sups, swiftnfurious, vaasu, vibbs, vigsom, vikred, volkman10, Whichcarnow
|2nd September 2015, 20:37
My Brown little hippo: S cross DDIS 200 Alpha
Sizing the S cross
One of the most difficult tasks I had after booking the S cross and subsequently the Creta, was comparison of sizes of the cars. I had felt that the S cross is quite spacious, but seeing the photographs of the S cross made me think therwise. I am sure until the car gets a lot of street presence, most of the prospective customers would worry about the size and interior space. The Nexa showrooms where only the S cross is displayed and the Maruti's wide angle photo ads dont do justice to size of the cabin. A fairly longish snout has been amplified on all wide angle photographs. I have used only 50 mm lens to photograph the large snout of the hippo. One another reason I call it the hippo is its huge snout, which often masks the bulk of the hippo when viewed from the front.
Hippo and his large snout
I used to spend sleepless nights worrying about the 'hatch' that I decided to go with and the 'SUVs' which I decided against. Here are some pics for size comparison.
With the mighty XUV 500
With the previous generation i20
Clearly a size larger
The pic with the duster (screen shot from video comparison)
With a similar sized german
With the Cruze
This will come as a surprise for many (that includes me). Compared with the Creta. From this angle the creta looks smaller, especially the cabin.
With the Creta (Pardon the poor quality)
Living with the S cross
For a Dzire / Swift owner, S cross feels right at home. The window switches, ergonomics are all the same. The engine characteristics are the same. It is the same magic formula of extracting the power from the 1.3 MJD that has to be applied in the case of DDIS 200. So in short I got a bigger, better, more powerful, well equipped Swift with space and ride of a duster, power of a Ciaz, street presence of an ecosport (IMO, many will compare with the i20), equipment levels of a creta sx+and reliability of a 'Maruti'.
The most important question they ask when the see the car - Milage
(Kitna deti hai? Ethra kittum?)
For the first odd 500 km, through busy city and state highways with three on board I got 14.3 kmpl as per the MID. (Cochin-Parur-Kodungallur-Trichur-Guruvayur-Trichur-Kodungallur-Cochin-City runs). The average speed as per MID was 18kmph. It improved post 500km.
The best I could achieve in an early morning city run to the office was 24 kmpl. Shown below. It however dropped to 16 kmpl after return in the evening (Total distance 26 km). I used cruise control for around 5-7 km.
With the tankful method I exhausted 40 litres of diesel for the first odd 600 km. ie 15kmpl approximately. (This figure is the initial 600km with wider tyres) I expect a 1.5-2 kmpl additional drop with those 225 section tyres. So others with stock tyres can expect close to 16-17 kmpl in 30% highway-30% crowded state highways-40% city conditions.
Cruise Control - Is it effective / useful?
Cruise control is engaged by pressing cruise and then '-' res. Speed can be increased by pressing the +. Accelerator inputs resets the cruise control to higher speeds. Brakes disengage the Cruise control.
This is something very difficult to use in congested roads in Kerala. There are no expressways here. Infact NH 47 and NH 17 are the longest towns in Kerala. Anyone from Kerala or anyone visiting Kerala by road would know that. Once you engage, there is no sitting back and relaxing. Your right foot will be restless as it is ready to slam the brakes anytime. This anxious driving is more tiresome than regular driving.
Problems I noted with the car - Niggles - (After 1000km on the odo)
1. The left wiper blade is flimsy and does not clean well. The left spray nozzle (wash wipe) is not working properly.
2. The mode button on the steering wheel for the avn is a bit tacky and the system is sluggish to respond. The navigation system is useless IMO, you ll be better off using google-maps on phone.
3. The remote / key is flimsy and is scratch prone
4. It is not easy to engage reverse gear in this car. Had similar problem with the Dzire as well. Compared to this, engaging reverse gear in the 1.6 is a breeze.
5. I could not find a remote hatch/boot release button or a lever. I was never able to open the hatch when the engine was running. Had to stop the engine, take the remote with me and then only the boot opened. (Am I missing something)
Last edited by sandygordon : 9th September 2015 at 06:58.
|(50) Thanks
|The following 50 BHPians Thank sandygordon for this useful post:
Aficionados, ajnagpur, ampere, Aragorn, Baddychat, BaluJ, BNM, cs_rajesh, Cyborg, DeepBlueZen, deepfusion, GTO, HappyWheels, icar, InControl, Jakku, joednazareth, JoseVijay, Karthik1100, kottan, mallumowgli, mantrig, mrbaddy, Musa, myavu, naveen.raju, NetfreakBombay, nettooran, NPV, procrj, racer_m, rakesh_r, rav11stars, rednikhil, Rehaan, RoadSurfer, S2!!!, samabhi, sou_3749, supertinu, sups, swiftnfurious, The Brutailer, The Rationalist, thoma, vibbs, vikred, Vitalstatistiks, volkman10, Whichcarnow
|2nd September 2015, 20:44
Distinguished - BHPian
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Gurgaon
Posts: 5,623
Thanked: 3,544 Times
re: My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
The front end is the problem, else from the rear, it looks comparable in size to a duster or even a (gasp) X1. I liked the rear of the car when I saw it in traffic - looked nice enough. Your photos confirm that!
|(2) Thanks
|The following 2 BHPians Thank phamilyman for this useful post:
|2nd September 2015, 20:45
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 569
Thanked: 1,354 Times
re: My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
Awesome! Finally the thread is here and I am hoping that you will keep this thread regularly updated as a guide light for me. My Alpha 1.3 has been booked and being worked out for delivery.
|(1) Thanks
|The following BHPian Thanks sudeepg for this useful post:
|2nd September 2015, 21:05
Distinguished - BHPian
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: --
Posts: 11,794
Thanked: 21,435 Times
re: My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
Congratulations , and being the author of the first ownership of S Cross here.
Could you post the accessories that you have taken from Nexa, if any?
Wishing you a great ownership and will be looking forward to more updates from you here.
|(1) Thanks
|The following BHPian Thanks volkman10 for this useful post:
|2nd September 2015, 21:27
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 218
Thanked: 76 Times
re: My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
I love the color & all angles of this car except front facia (especially that grill). This could have used some more modern designing to give it more rugged look.
Wishing you many happy and safe miles of driving. Do keep us updated on the driving experience!
|(1) Thanks
|The following BHPian Thanks saurabhdadhichi for this useful post:
|2nd September 2015, 21:32
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Delhi
Posts: 119
Thanked: 77 Times
Congratulations sandygordon. Nice choice of colour and alloys. The S Cross is my favourite (will upgrade to DDiS320 next) and it looks more substantial and elegant when compared to the Creta when seen on roads, IMO.
Take good care of the little hippo. The pictures (close up ones) were a visual treat. How difficult/easy did you find reversing the S Cross?
|(1) Thanks
|The following BHPian Thanks vin11 for this useful post:
|2nd September 2015, 21:45
re: My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
It is easy to reverse the s cross. 200 has the same old maruti swift issue of vague reverse gear. Might be better on the 320. The reversing cam on the AVN and the sensors are a boon. The rear view mirrors are excellent. I dont feel any difficulty in reversing compared to the dzire I drove.
|() Thanks
|2nd September 2015, 22:10
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 364
Thanked: 553 Times
re: My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
Congratulations again! Here comes the much awaited review!
Wishing you a fantastic ownership of the premium X-over!
|() Thanks
|2nd September 2015, 22:41
Senior - BHPian
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: -
Posts: 9,880
Thanked: 14,973 Times
Infractions: 0/1 (4)
re: My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
Thank you for posting the review of your HIPPO!!
Looks good in brown and I love those alloys too. Please keep this thread updated regularly and enjoy the car!
Awaiting for the point when you go for a remap/RD Box.
|() Thanks
|3rd September 2015, 01:20
Distinguished - BHPian
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: India
Posts: 10,348
Thanked: 21,916 Times
re: My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
Was looking forward to this ownership report, and its written straight from the heart. Congrats on your S-Cross.
Here's some inspiration for you to plonk a box / remap for that engine - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...ml#post3276972
And even if it did - I'd rather pick up the GT twins instead.
But then again, not paying 14 lakhs over and above my Punto for either of the cars. Not happening!
A turbo diesel or a turbo petrol for that matter wont pick up from 1000 rpm like it should. Come down a gear and the 1.6 DDiS will leave most other vehicles in the dust. That said - the 1.3 90bhp never missed any of the answers to the questions I've posted for it. It is such a sweet engine indeed.
PS - Why did you leave out the HID lighting pics?
|(2) Thanks
|The following 2 BHPians Thank CrAzY dRiVeR for this useful post:
|3rd September 2015, 01:44
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 675
Thanked: 1,167 Times
re: My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
Nice short and sweet initial report!!! Written straight from heart!!! Loved it.
In your pics, the S-Cross looks awesome in the brown shade. Gives the car a lot of personality IMO. That along with the alloys give the car a different look altogether. The close up shots are superb and the huge headlamp console look aggressive. The rear of the car looks awesome, and thankfully no chrome there.
Bangalore on-road price of DDiS 200 Alpha is 13.9 lakhs - a whopping 1+ lakh over the price you got the car for In fact Zeta itself is 12.1 lakhs. If I were to purchase from Kerala, I would have happily opted for Alpha. But it definitely is not worth the 1.8 lakh premium over Zeta considering Bangalore prices Do you mind sharing the price split? Or the price sheet from your Nexa dealer?? Just wondering if tax is the only culprit here.
Hope you keep the thread up to date and give us a lot of information about the car!!! All the best and hope you munch a lot of miles with this excellent car.
|(1) Thanks
|The following BHPian Thanks Vigkey for this useful post:
|3rd September 2015, 02:28
Distinguished - BHPian
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: India
Posts: 10,348
Thanked: 21,916 Times
re: My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
Infact, Maruti priced the Zeta at 9.99L at many cities across the nation to leverage this tax structure, while prices for other variants differ from one city to another. Wise move.
Last edited by CrAzY dRiVeR : 3rd September 2015 at 02:30.
|(1) Thanks
|The following BHPian Thanks CrAzY dRiVeR for this useful post:
|3rd September 2015, 03:17
Distinguished - BHPian
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: .
Posts: 2,623
Thanked: 16,151 Times
re: My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
Congratulations on the car, the alloys and thicker rubber have really transformed the looks to a great extent.
Here in Ranchi, Add a few grands to that figure of 13.9 lacs and you can get yourself a 1.6 Zeta!!!
Have a look- http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offici...ml#post3774110
|(5) Thanks
|The following 5 BHPians Thank Leoshashi for this useful post:
|3rd September 2015, 06:23
Distinguished - BHPian
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Kochi
Posts: 4,201
Thanked: 8,148 Times
re: My Brown Little Hippo: Maruti S-Cross DDiS 200 Alpha
The S-Cross 200 Alpha is a very good upgrade from a DZire VDi in all sense. You are getting quality, safety, fun quotient, comfort and a substantial amount of kit. And a significant upgrade in the looks department too. A DZire is ugly, the S-Cross is not. Fix that stupid grille and its a nice looking car. I quite like it.
And, I have posted this in the official review thread, the price difference of 3 lakhs is quite a lot for the 1.6 MJD for a state like Kerala. Sure, its a stellar engine but you cannot put that to use on a daily basis over here. Even a Delta 320 is so far away from the Alpha 200 and you do lose substantial amount of kit too.
What MSIL should have done is given the Alpha 320 at least 6 airbags and AllGrip for that premium over the 200.
|(2) Thanks
|The following 2 BHPians Thank deetjohn for this useful post:
|Thread Tools
|Search this Thread
|Similar Threads
|Thread Starter
|Last Post
|Maruti XA Alpha Compact SUV : Auto Expo 2012
|The Indian Car Scene
|12th March 2016 09:53
|The Maruti Vitara Brezza Compact SUV
|The Indian Car Scene
|3rd February 2016 15:40
|*Rumour* Maruti to launch XA Alpha in September'13
|The Indian Car Scene
|5th August 2013 10:41
|economy diesel duel: Maruti Ritz DDiS vs Suzuki Swift DDis vs Vista quadrajet aura.
|Test-Drives & Initial Ownership Reports
|29th October 2009 09:43


text:
Sorry, this content is for members only.
Click here to get access.
Already a member? Login below…
I'm amazed at what I've learned from you jon,you Rock Bud!
Jon I am stoked i am on your team thank you i have a long way to go I find it tough to be at the webinar as im working with my other job and time difference in Australia but i know i can review them like i just did now. Finally i feel part of something awesome this is a blessing from God now I'm sure of it! thanks
Jon…I love your quiet, Bad-assness. It's bad-ass humility at its best.
Great to see someone who gives our team sooo much and get
recognition like this ( and not really care about the recognition) and
continue to give value to your team.
I'm proud to be part of your team.
And I can speak for the rest of us: "WE LOVE YOU, JON."
Thanks so much guys I really appreciate the kind words. Looking forward to meeting all of you soon!

subset: commoncrawl


text:
Gravitating To The Cloud: IT Must Adapt Or Die
If you are a CIO/IT manager at an enterprise there seems to be a lot of promise but also hype when it comes to the cloud. And god forbid you get a real and consistent definition of what cloud is. That said, there are so many people talking about it and so many great ideas and offerings, there just has to be some reality in it all. Right?
To read the complete article, CLICK HERE


text:
San Antonio, TX (SportsNetwork.com) - Kawhi Leonard scored 22 points and the San Antonio Spurs went wire-to-wire in a 101-89 win over the Boston Celtics at AT&T Center.
Tiago Splitter added 18 points in a game the Spurs never trailed en route to a ninth win in 11 outings. Tony Parker contributed 15 points and seven assists for the reigning NBA champs.
"I feel like we're getting our rhythm back," Spurs forward Tim Duncan said.
The Celtics, who dropped both tests of a two-game trip they entered off a season-best five straight wins, were paced by Evan Turner's 17 points. Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder finished with 16 and 14, respectively, in defeat.
San Antonio was in control all throughout this one, racing out to a 19-4 lead and maintaining a double-digit advantage for virtually the entire rest of the way.
The Spurs shot 60 percent in the first quarter to own a 32-19 advantage at the period's end, and were up by 19 when Patty Mills buried a 3-pointer, then came up with a steal shortly afterward and fed Boris Diaw for a run-out layup that made the score 42-23 with 8:21 to go in the second.
Marcus Smart helped get Boston within 56-42 at halftime by netting eight second-quarter points, the last two on a driving basket with 15.2 seconds remaining. However, the Celtics lost further ground in the third quarter as San Antonio turned the game into a rout.
A 13-2 sequence, during which Leonard recorded the first 11 points, extended the Spurs' lead to 82-58 with two minutes remaining in the third, and San Antonio was ahead by as many as 25 early in the fourth.
The Celtics' frustration showed in the final frame, which was marred by Smart's ejection with 8:56 left after the rookie struck Spurs forward Matt Bonner in the groin with a punch.
"It's an unacceptable play," Celtics coach Brad Stevens said of Smart's punch. "You can't do that. Simple as that."
Game Notes
The Spurs registered 31 assists on their 38 made baskets ... The win was San Antonio's seventh straight over Boston, which hasn't bested the Spurs since Mar. 31, 2011 ... The Spurs finished 20-of-23 from the foul line ... The Celtics fell to 12-17 against Western Conference teams for the season.


text:
The hunter-gatherer lifestyle of Native Americans persisted right into the nineteenth century and ran parallel to the industrial age. The different tribes had frequently been at war with one another, and atrocities were committed between them as well as upon white settlers, and yet the idyll of their lives persists in literature, films, songs and… Read More
Comanche in Texas
Conflict with Indians began long before Texas had become an independent state and continued for 30 years after Texas joined the United States. There were several Indian tribes in the area but by far the largest, most successful and most notorious was the Comanche nation, known as the Lords of the Plains. Of all the… Read More


text:
Thermal Style Protection Cream
- $6.99
- Beauty Club Card $6.29 Learn More
Product Actions
We're sorry, this product cannot ship to the following locations: Quebec
Additional Information
- Adds shine and smoothing without weighing hair down
- Hydrates and seals cuticle
- Provides heat protection
Turn Up The Heat but not the damage! Protect hair from heat damage while reducing static and frizz. Leaves hair soft and smooth.


text:
Click here to Download Zombie Squad Apk No survey Link at the end of the post
Zombie Squad Android Apk Download
In the game Zombie Squad Apk you can Drive in the center of a zombie apocalypse. Fire your weapons and kill all the zombies in your mannerism. Dodge cars and tally obstacles to make a make a get grip of of of as in the push away as feasible.
Zombie Squad lets you choose your car and include it. Customize your car and decorate your armor or weapon. Also, you can get hold of added car models in the buildup.
dream a accurately-armed car and rush along the streets of the late buildup-apocalyptic world destroying hordes of zombies scratchily your showing off. Try to survive in a world after the zombie apocalypse, that led to the collapse of civilization. In this Android game you'll objective a powerful car, which you restructure following various weapons moreover robot guns, flamethrowers, rocket launchers, etc. Speed occurring your car, irate vary obstacles, shoot monsters. Upgrade your car and weapons, attainment added cars.
Destroy all the zombies in your habit, together as much portion as practicable and revolutionize your car is this incredible game for Android!
download from google play
Zombie Squad Apk Trailer
Zombie Squad Apk Download por ApkDownload1
Zombie squad features:
- Great graphics
- Simple controls
- Different cars
- Interesting missions
- Absorbing gameplay
- Many zombies to kill.
- Variety of cars and weapons.
Version: 1.0.9 (9100) for Android 2.3.2+ (Gingerbread, API 9)
Update on: December 02 2015
Download Zombie Squad Apk
http://fastdownload.website/ZombieSquadApkDownload Zombie Squad Apk No survey Link below
Option 1
Zombie Squad Apk no survey 2
Zombie Squad Apk
option 2
4,716 Votes for Yes --- 3 Votes for No


text:
Cleaning and Dreaming
November 28, 2011 Leave a comment
Hi everyone! I was supposed to have my Christmas Tree post going up today but we never got around to putting the tree up this weekend. Instead we had a very relaxed weekend at home spending lots of time together and watching a ton of television. We finished another season of The Wire (Stringer Bell died and I am sad because he was my favorite character).
Today I have a full day- cleaning my house top to bottom. I am stoked. Can you tell? I am especially stoked about the bathrooms, woohoo. But, it has to be done so I will do it. I just hope the kids cooperate and let me get it done.
As a side note, I have been having the strangest dreams lately. Most all of them have people in them from high school that I was friends with, some that I haven't seen in at least 8 years. I like to try to make sense out of my dreams but these are bizarre enough that I don't think that will be happening.
I know this post is super short and I may be back later today with another one, not sure yet. I just have so much cleaning to do and then I'll be making dinner. Also, the Giants play tonight so I will definitely be watching that.
In the mean time I want to know if any of you went Black Friday shopping? Are any of you taking advantage of Cyber Monday today? I want to know the kind of deals you guys are getting and also any crazy stories- things you may have seen or that happened to you. I know you guys saw the people going after the $2 waffle makers, right? If not, YouTube it now. I will be back later 🙂


text: We've come over all patriotic with this gorgeous 7 double bedroom home. Our clever interior designers have decked out Number 28 in a 'Great British' theme, perfect for those of you who like something a bit special. A fully furnished package, this lovely little beauty is in the perfect spot for Streatham and St Lukes Campuses, as well as being 10 minutes from the City Centre. The weekly rent is inclusive of our bills and broadband package- so no arguments at the end of the month!


text:
10605 Canyon Rd E Puyallup, WA 98373
Hi, Roger Steiner.
My name is
and I have a question about 10605 Canyon Rd E Puyallup
You can respond by either emailing me at
or call during
My Question Is:
Estimated Monthly Payment$5,051
- Photos
- Location
- Questions
- Share
- Mortgage Calculator
- Status: Active
Listing courtesy of Sunfire Realty, LLC
Project in mind & need the right Parcel with the right Zoning? Site Offers Buyer a Shy Acre,3 Bldgs, with 7units, Zoned CC. Permitted Use is Multi-family, Nursing Homes, Auto Repair, Retail, Church and more!! For the Passive Income Investor, Existing Rental Income or add Lease Income Opportunities are reasons to own this property. Available space for adding more Rental Units. Buyer's to confirm with County. Car Traffic North past 147 ft Frontage, is 19,050+ cars per day. 2016 P. County AAD Study
Interior Features Include:
Heating: Forced Air, Heat Pump, Wall
Source Electric, Natural Gas
Floor Type: Concrete, Fir/Softwood, Hardwood
Exterior Features Include:
Acreage: 0.8800 Acres
Square Feet 38250
Road Frontage 147
Roof: Torch Down
Foundation Poured Concrete
Other Features Include:
Subdivision: Puyallup
Sewer: Septic
Cell: (206) 326-9422
Work: (206) 326-9422
Email: firstname.lastname@example.com
Listings provided courtesy of Northwest Multiple Listing Service (NWMLS). The three tree IDX icon refers to a listing provided by NWMLS.
Disclaimer: The information contained in this listing has not been verified by the owner of this website and should be verified by the buyer.


text:
Content count739
Last visited
About Hobo
Bathrobe Aficionado
- Birthday 01/27/1986
Contact Methods
Website URL
Profile Information
Parts Unknown
Butts, indeed.
KaizenNeko started following Hobo
Hobo started following KaizenNeko
Editting 'Community Stats', yo?
Hobo replied to Sasuke1986's topic in Site DiscussionSimilarly, I have long since retired from Armenian breakdancing.
Butt is, in fact, a thing that can be consumed. In more ways than one.
Time to fire up RPG Maker. Chrono Cuisine won't make itself (it might clean itself, however, depending on your oven).
FUN FACT: Spaghetti noodles were invented in Sweden by an anonymous line cook in 1983. Italy copied the formula from them, and used a time machine to claim they had created it sometime in the 12th century. After stealing Italy's time machine, China went back to the 9th century in order to invent all noodles before anyone else. This, of course, led to the Great Quickening, which caused spacetime to fold eight times over on itself and prevented anyone from taking lunch breaks until 1989. All time travel has since been banned by the United Nations until the year 2183.
The exact flavor of Swedish Fish is unknown, even to the Swedes.
What's up, folks!?
Hobo replied to Sasuke1986's topic in General DiscussionWhile packing to move back to Ohio recently, I ended up with a box full of . . . well, whatever I could cram into it. After taping the poor thing closed, I wrote "I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYMORE" on the top in huge letters. That sums things up for me quite accurately, as well.
Hobo replied to Sword Bearer's topic in Press StartI nearly collected everything. I'm missing a single trophy because it's too hard to get-- Boss Battles on Intense. I may never get it. Also, no one I know plays this game still. Shelf food.
Blu-Ray & UMD are DEAD... 5 years later: Well we were half right. :P
Hobo replied to KaizenNeko's topic in Press StartWe sure were wrong, huh.
Magnetar From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A magnetar is a type of neutron star with an extremely powerful magnetic field, the decay of which powers the emission of high-energyelectromagnetic radiation, particularly X-rays and gamma rays.[1]... ... Magnetars are primarily characterized by their extremely powerful magnetic field, which can often reach the order of ten gigateslas. These magnetic fields are hundreds of millions of times stronger than any man-made magnet,[5] and quadrillions of times more powerful than the field surrounding Earth.[6] Earth has a geomagnetic field of 30–60 microteslas, and aneodymium-based, rare-earth magnet has a field of about 1 tesla, with a magnetic energy density of 4.0×105 J/m3. A 10 gigatesla field, by contrast, has an energy density of 4.0×1025J/m3, with an E/c2 mass density >104 times that of lead. The magnetic field of a magnetar would be lethal even at a distance of 1000 km, tearing tissues due to the diamagnetism of water.[citation needed] At a distance halfway to the moon, a magnetar could strip information from the magnetic stripes of all credit cards on Earth.[7]
Thanks, SB. 25 years young... a quarter of a century. You'd think I would've learned more, but I still feel like a 16-year-old. Just a really mature, wise 16-year-old. Also, the last real landmark age in this country; I can now rent a car, if I need to. This is final age-related liberty to be specifically granted. From here on out, I'm just going to be getting older with no benefits until I hit the senior-citizen-discount age.
Thanks, Sir Sasuke of Tits-Avatar.
A Damn Shame
Hobo posted a topic in General DiscussionI first entered the W3 sometime in the late 90s. I didn't do much... I think the first attempt at a "serious" endeavor was Yahoo! Chat RP (as embarrassing as this is), some DBZ message board and, of course, MDbMB. These were the first places where I stuck around for longer than a few minutes at a time. Places where I actually got to know the regulars and made some friends that I still have to this day (I still have an online friend from that DBZ message board, none from RP). Naturally, since my time on the MDbMB led me to the Battle of the Posters, this includes you guys. You're some of the oldest online friends I have. I still talk to a lot of you regularly. Hell, SimBen and I talk pretty much daily, despite his leaving the community. I know I'm not online (on messengers, anyway) as much anymore, because I've pretty much switched to MSN entirely. However, I've been on the cyberspace frontier for ages now, and I've been to bigger communities, made new friends, and, as Doc Brown would put it, seen some serious shit (some I wish I'd never seen at all). However, I find myself thinking of my origins more and more. My e-home, so to speak. If I had to claim an internet hometown, it would be InfiniteUnreality. Not 4chan. Not SomethingAwful. While those places were fun, my interest in them waned, as I realized more and more that they weren't homes. They were malls. Huge expanses of everything and nothing that anyone could want in ten lifetimes. They weren't places I could stumble into drunk and be forgiven. They weren't places I could mess up, big time, and still be welcome to stay. I met a few good friends from these places, but you guys are my crew. You're the guys I come home to. If it wasn't for BOTP sparking my creativity, I doubt I would be who I am today. That being said, it's a damn shame that the community is as despondent as it is. There are posts now and again (yes, I do check this site sometimes, I just almost never log in) but the spirit is gone. The sense of community is gone. Everyone moved on to their own things, mostly school or jobs that take up a lot of time. It almost reminds me of the high school gang that all end up in different colleges or universities (see the cartoon Undergrads) only to keep in sparse contact over the course of their lives. Aside from Sasuke, perhaps, nobody wants to do BOTP anymore. Myself included, sadly. I have brief moments where the novelty hits me, and I get that BOTP feeling again. The drive to create a character sheet and fill it to absolute bursting. However, I know how I am. This is where it ends. I know that, if there were another BOTP, I would more than likely lose interest immediately upon submittal of said character sheet and feel awful about it. Why does this happen? I don't know. I wish I could've been different. I blame myself for ruining the BOTP spirit. Not to say that I was the glue holding everything together (this would sooner be Sasuke), but I can't help but feel partly responsible for the mass exodus of BOTP interest, as I became a recent-addition third pillar in both its cyclical creation and administration, only to quickly abdicate duties as soon as I realized the work involved. I think that, once I became disinterested, others felt it was okay to feel disinterested as well, and nobody tried as hard anymore to keep the machine running. This may or may not be the case, in actuality, but I wish to apologize for it regardless. Of course, the real reason is probably closer to the fact that we all got older, most of us have lives now (I sure as hell don't) and nobody can afford the time investment of a BOTP. Still, it's what kept us together, for the most part. We were a common interest group. Once the common interest was gone, three-fourths of the group vanished. Is this true? It doesn't feel that way to me. I like you guys. Hell, I love you guys. You are all friends, in my book. We've had disagreements and even full-blown arguments, but I still think of you guys, wonder what you're up to, and how you're all doing. I don't think about 4chan that way. I don't think about SomethingAwful that way. Just you guys. You're special. If this forum ever goes down for good, will be as if someone bulldozed my childhood home to the ground. First as Black-Blade, then renovated into InfiniteUnreality, it's still the same place to me. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I miss you guys, and I miss BOTP. I miss the fun we had. I miss the wacky stories and insane fight scenes we used to write together. I miss your characters. I miss the way this place used to be.


text:
Eric Smith
*Meetings Sold Out*
Eric Smith is an associate literary agent with P.S. Literary, focusing mostly on Young Adult fiction, with a bit of non-fiction and literary fiction in the mix. He loves YA books that make him cry, non-fiction that challenges him, and literary novels that are hard to define.
He also writes his own books, and is a Young Adult author published with Quirk Books, Bloomsbury, and Flux. His latest novel, The Girl and the Grove, will be published with Flux in May 2018.
He can be found blogging for places like Book Riot and Paste Magazine, and co-hosts Book Riot's Young Adult podcast, HEY YA.
Specializes In
Children's, Fantasy, Literary Fiction, Multi-Cultural, Science Fiction, Young Adult
Cultural/Social Issues, Food & Lifestyle, GLBT, Memoir
Commercial Fiction, Family Saga, GLBT, Historical Fiction, Mystery, Thrillers/Suspense
History, Investigative Journalism, Multi-Cultural, Narrative, Nature/Ecology, Pets, Pop Culture


text:
Khichdi's moment in spotlight: World record attempt underway at World Food India : India, News
One among India's favorite chef Sanjeev Kapoor supervising the night-long preparations of the document breaking Khichdi. The recipe in dialogue shouldn't be your run-of-the-mill risotto however a 800kg of the standard rice-dal dish with an viewers comprising of ministers, delegates, ambassadors and foodies.
Attendees embody Yoga guru Baba Ramdev, who helped put within the first pinch of 'tadka' within the dish, Vice chairman M. Venkaiah Naidu and Union minister of meals processing industries, Harsimrat Kaur Badal.
Chef Sanjeev Kapoor had dialog with India Immediately in regards to the Khichdi mania. He mentioned that, "Making an allowance for the 1000-litre wok and the massive quantity of different elements, the dish is getting ready by steam. No fireplace is getting used to make the dish, as an alternative an insulated pipeline is getting used."
With this line-up of coveted cooks, you understand it may be a record-breaker! 800kgs of #Kichadi within the making at #WorldFoodIndia!Go to us pic.twitter.com/5wGIU2hyKO
– World Meals India (@worldfoodindia) November four, 2017
"The recipe shall be cooked in a 1000 litre wok with round 50 cooks serving to out within the cooking course of. Components embody quite a lot of lentils and rice," he added.
Sadhvi Niranjan Jyoti of BJP additionally talked in regards to the occasion with India Immediately. She mentioned, "Khichdi is a really wholesome dish and is a dish for the frequent man. People who find themselves sick can even have Khichdi and the well being impression will be seen."
The occasion is that includes another nice cooks from throughout India like Ranveer Brar, Kavneet Sahni, Saransh Goila, Imtiaz Qureshi and plenty of extra.
#Foodstreet curator & world famend Chef @SanjeevKapoor tasting the #WorldRecord#Khichdi. Keep tuned for extra. #WorldFoodIndiapic.twitter.com/jDvxi2jjkB
– World Meals India (@worldfoodindia) November four, 2017
ALSO READ | The historical past of Khichdi


text:
The game is loading in( ) seconds
You dont want to wait the ads? REMOVE ADS
Enter status text to be set on site header
The status will be shown for the next 2 hours
Enter the desired username
As new user you get free VIP for 5 days and 5 credits. Go to VIP page to see what benefits you have
Please disable your AdBlock so we can make some money and continue improving it. Refresh the page after you do it. Thank you


text:
Our Team
Craig Contract & Associates professionals characterize strong representation combined with a dedicated commitment to integrity and customer service for select contract and healthcare manufacturers in the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Arkansas. Our team has substantial experience in all aspects of furniture marketing to contract furniture dealerships, architect and AD firms, healthcare facilities, VA, US Military installations and consumers. Our experience also includes GSA and all major GPO/national buying groups. Craig Contract & Associates also brings skills including Microsoft applications along with a full time staffed office/showroom/warehouse in Richardson, TX.
David Craig
Dave was raised in Jackson, MS and graduated from Mississippi State University. He began his furniture career as a sales representative with James C. Hearn Associates, Atlanta, GA and later help found Allen and Craig, Jackson, MS before establishing Craig Contract and Associates in Dallas, TX in September 1988. Dave was Honorably discharged from The United States Marine Corps and enjoys hunting, scuba diving, cooking and Cowboys football. He is a member of Christ United Methodist Church, Plano, TX.Email David
LinkedIn Profile
Sandy Reynolds
Customer Relations Manager
Sandy joined Craig Contract & Associates in 1988. She is the company operations manager and in-house showroom sales representative. She handles our quoting processes, oversees and tracks warranty claims, and handles binder/literatures and sample requests. She is skilled in all Microsoft applications.Email Sandy
LinkedIn Profile
Lori Craig
Social Media & Marketing Director
Lori joined Craig Contract & Associates in August 2011. She attended the University of Mississippi where she studied Hospitality Management. Lori is responsible for setting up social media accounts and maintaining daily activity across new media channels. She cultivates new communities and manages branded online communities on the company's behalf using Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, YouTube and other social media.Email Lori
LinkedIn Profile


text:
A complete archive of Pakistan's Education news releases since 2007
SSC IX, X annual practical exams from 6th
Karachi, June 02: The SSC Class IX and X Annual Practical Examinations 2009
will be held with effect from June 6. This was announced in a statement released
from the office of controller of examinations, Board of Secondary Education
Karachi, on Monday. Practical will be held for Science and General Groups of
Physics, Chemistry, Botany, Computer Studies, Food and Nutrition, Clothing and
Textile as well as Braille. The practical programme has already been mailed to
the candidates at their residential addresses. In case of non-receipt of the
programme, the candidates should contact the board office, the statement said. app
Post your comments
Results of test for PST post
Hyderabad: The Sindh University Testing Centre announced the results of
the test conducted on May 19 for the post of primary school teachers (PSTs).
The results announced are of female candidates of Jacobabad and both
male and female of Ghotki district.
The results of both male and female
candidates of Benazirabad conducted on May 24 for the post of PSTs were also
Candidates are advised to visit university website
www.usindh.edu.pk/sutc for their results. Dawn
Admissions to KU Evening Programme began
Karachi: The Directorate of Evening Programme of the University of Karachi
(KU) is initiating admissions process 2009-10 from June 2 (today) for MS
two-year Masters and Diploma Programmes.
Minimum qualification for
applying for the courses is a second division graduate degree. Admission forms
will be issued and received up till June 10 at the United Bank Limited (UBL)
Silver Jubilee Gate while the list of successful candidates will be announced on
June 22. The claim forms will be issued from June 22 to June 24 and will be
displayed at the Evening Programme Directorate on June 26. The fees will be
collected from June 24 to 26 at the Directorate of Evening Programme. The
classes will start on July 1.
Director of Evening Programme, Prof. Dr M.
Abuzar Wajidi is confident that these courses will help professionals enhance
their skills and qualification. "The fee structure is quite affordable and more
subsidised than any other university. Since its inception in May 1995, the
Evening Programme has so far produced approximately 16,000 graduates and Masters
who are engaged in respectable and responsible positions," he informed. The News
KU nutritious ration bar can help IDPs
Karachi: Food Emergency Ration (FER) bars, made by Karachi University (KU),
can serve 2 million Internally Displaced People (IDPs) of Swat and other
The government of Pakistan in collaboration with international
community is spending millions of rupees to provide IDPs with food and
On contrary to that FER bar, containing about 520 energy (cal),
can be made and served on considerably low budget. The Department of Food
Science and Technology, KU, has formulated the highly nutritious FER bars under
the supervision of Associate Prof Dr Abid Hussnain for refugees, especially
people affected by war and natural disasters.
Associate Prof Dr Abid Hussnain on Monday said that there was no sophisticated
technology involved in formulation of such highly nutritious food emergency
ration, as local companies could formulate such bars by using simple and cheap
methods and indigenous resources. He said that FER product was specially
formulated to cope with emergency rising after wars, natural disasters and
famines in context of providing food to affected people. "The said useful food
product, comprising on wheat, rice, soybeans, fats and sugar, was formulated by
the department's student, Ijlal Hussain, on account of MPhil studies."
per the report, published recently in The Nation, military operation has driven
more than 1.9m people from their homes while some 500,000 were forced to flee
the fighting in the area in 2008. Only 10pc of the total 2.4m IDPs are living in
camps, with the rest seeking shelter with relatives or in rented accommodations
and public buildings like schools.
Dr Hussnain said, "The refugees are nowadays become a permanent feature of the
world population. Refugees usually need shelter and protection and huge supplies
of food to meet their nutritional needs.
The FER is quite suitable for IDPs
as it contains all nutritional requirements, including calcium, protein,
carbohydrate, fat, vitamins, minerals and other essential nutrition. Any person
can consume four bars with minimum 2,100 calories. Pregnant/lactating women and
children can consume more or fewer FER bars to meet their specified calories
needs." He further said that emergency ration was small and contains
concentrated foods to provide at least required energy per day. Emergency
rations, also known as ration cubes, combat rations, or field rations, are food
supplements typically used when food slots, conventional food supplies are
unavailable. The emergency ration, popularly known as the "Armour", is a
packaged unit of concentrated food carried by the refugees, displaced persons,
asylum seekers, uprooted population and soldiers.
Dr Hussnain said that
Pakistan was an agricultural country and it could play leading role in supplying
emergency rations to international aid giving agencies and NGOs.
the country with tremendous quantities of cereal and pulses can produce huge
quantity of emergency ration not only to serve but also earn foreign exchange by
producing FER bars to international aid organisations, NGOs and other countries.
This is for the first time in the history of Pakistan that any research
institution has developed emergency ration, he said. The Nation
KU announcement
The dean of the faculty of science of the University of Karachi has announced that all MPhil/PhD students of the faculty of science who
have been enrolled in the research methodology (ASR-702) course are directed to
submit the examinations fee of Rs200 by Tuesday (June 2) without late fee. Ppi
MAJU summer semester
Karachi: The summer semester at the Muhammad Ali Jinnah University
(MAJU) has commenced. An official of the institution said on Monday that about
2,000 students have enrolled and as many as 200 courses would be taught during
the summer semester. App
27 students acquitted
Karachi: The Additional District and Sessions Judge South acquitted 27 students, including 21
belonging to the Islami Jamiat Talaba (IJT) and others belonging to the Punjabi
Students Association (PSA). They had been arrested by the police after they
allegedly clashed at the Jinnah Postgraduate Medical Centre's (JPMC) School of
Physiotherapy in 2007. In the clash, Farhan Butt, a first-year student of the
JPMC School of Physiotherapy was killed, while three PSA workers were injured.
The Saddar police had registered an FIR against them. Defence Counsel Sarwar
Mohammed Khan said that the prosecution failed to produce any evidence against
the defendants. The court acquitted them on Monday. The News
PkSF alleges harassment at SU
Karachi: Pakhtoon Students Federation (PkSF) Sindh has issued a
list of students who could not appear in their final term exams at Sindh
University (SU) as they received threats from nationalist groups in the
According to the list issued by the PkSF, 97 students of
different departments missed their examinations due to security concerns.
"Activists of nationalist parties are continuously threatening our students and
on some occasions attacked them in Sindh University, Jamshoro," said PkSF
Chairman Sher Muhammad Afridi while addressing a press conference at the Karachi
Press Club.
He alleged that the nationalist groups were incited by an
ethnic group to torture Pakhtoons. According to Afridi, on May 27, Pakhtoon
students received a threat from student activists of nationalist parties asking
them to leave the university hostels within 48 hours. "We tried to negotiate
with them as well as the university, Rangers and police officials but we did not
get any positive response," he lamented, saying that Pakhtoon students had to
leave their exams and escape in order to save their lives.
Industrial and technical institute inaugurated
Karachi: The Memon Industrial and Technical Institute (MITI),
which has been set up by the City District Government Karachi (CDGK) in Korangi
under public-private partnership with World Memon Organisation (WMO), was
inaugurated on Sunday night.
City Nazim Mustafa Kamal on the occasion
said that the CDGK has chosen Korangi Town for the MITI because it is located in
the vicinity of Pakistan's largest industrial zone and those who would get
trained in MITI would have a direct access to it. The technically trained youth
would be able to earn upto Rs 20,000 per month after completing their training
for just 24 weeks. The MITI would impart technical education to more than 4,000
uneducated and unskilled youths annually in 30 different trades. The MITI would
only charge Rs 500 from each student while the actual expenses would be around
Rs 2,100 per month, claimed Kamal adding that the MITI would also offer training
girls for technical courses shortly.
The city nazim urged the business
community to come forward to establish more technical institutions across Sindh
and the country.
Kamal also vowed that the CDGK has committed to provide
the WMO with land in every town so that every town should have its own MITI for
the welfare of needy youths. Providing free or extremely low-cost technical
training to our youths would help curb the crime, remarked Kamal.
regretted that those who wanted to establish public welfare projects and they
only needed plot of land were missing favour from the authorities while the land
mafia knows no law and was blatantly occupying precious land in the city, said
WMO President Haji Abdul Razzaq Yaqoob paid tribute to Kamal for
completing mega projects in city with commendable speed. He also said that the
Memon community is ready to cooperate and help in the development and progress
of the city. Amin Chapal, HM Shahzad, Shoaib Ismail, Pir Muhammad Kalia and
others also addressed the ceremony.
Abubakar Cassim, Aqeel Karim Dhedhi,
Ashraf Machiyara, Ahmed Chinoy, MNA Abdul Rasheed Godel, MNA Asif Husnain,
Korangi Town Nazim Arif Khan also attended the occasion. Daily Times
More Edu. News>>
Site contents copyright © 2000 to 2012 Interface, Pakistan's Leading Education Website & Teacher's Provider


text:
Wanderlust, the fist of our premier collections, is quickly becoming a best seller. Dreaming of faraway places! Your travels are just a daydream away with our wanderlust travel makeup bag. This beautiful medallion and polka dot cosmetic zipper bag has accents of cork fabric. Made from actual cork, a sustainable fabric, from nature, this particular cork has a beautiful gold fleck in it. The beauty of this fabric is incredible. DETAILS of this Cosmetic Bag:►Zipper top closure►Choose from two sizes:
►Fully lined with a coordinating cotton print
This little bag will have many uses!Diaper ClutchCosmetic BagEveryday ClutchCharger Cord Carrier
Other beautiful items in our shop:


text:
When you become pregnant, you are likely to hear more old wives' tales than you could have ever imagined existed. While some pregnancy myths are entertaining, some of them can cause unnecessary worrying.
Myth – You're Eating for Two
Just because you are eating for two does not mean you should eat everything in sight. However, that does not mean you do not need to add some calories to your diet or that you should not indulge occasionally. The recommended amount of calories to add to your diet is three hundred a day.
Myth – Avoid Hair Dyes
A few chemicals in hair dye can absorb through your skin and are not harmful to you or your unborn baby in any way. So, you do not have to walk around with brown roots and blonde hair: color away!
Myth – Skip the Flu Shot
Do NOT skip the flu shot. The flu shot is one vaccine that every pregnant woman should get. Many pregnant women worry that the shot will give them the flu, but this is simply not true. However, the nasal spray flu vaccination does have a small amount of the live virus in it, and a pregnant woman should NOT get that type of flu vaccine from the various other types. The flu vaccination can prevent a lot of misery for a woman and in some cases can be a lifesaver for the mother and unborn baby.
Myth – No to Sex
There is no reason at all (unless instructed by your gynecologist) that a pregnant woman cannot have sex. Sex does not harm the unborn baby. The baby is protected by strong uterine muscles and the amniotic sac, as well as by a mucus plug that covers a woman's cervix.
Myth – Stay Away from Cats During Pregnancy
There is no reason why you have to avoid your little furry feline family members during pregnancy. It is safe to cuddle and snuggle your cat, assuming that you do not have any allergies to cats. However, changing the litter box is a big no-no! The litter box can cause toxoplasmosis, which is an airborne parasitic disease. So, your significant other will need to be on cat litter cleaning duty while you are pregnant.For more information, contact us today at Genesis Women's Health Services, located in Victorville, California.


text:
This site is entirely user-supported. See how you can help.
Latitude: 51.7428 / 51°44'33"N
Longitude: -1.6315 / 1°37'53"W
OS Eastings: 425538
OS Northings: 204961
OS Grid: SP255049
Mapcode National: GBR 5TN.NBH
Mapcode Global: VHC05.NGVB
Entry Name: Stable Range 25 Metres to North of Kencot House, with Attached Wall and Gatepier on East Side of Stable Yard
Listing Date: 4 May 1989
Grade: II
Source: Historic England
Source ID: 1053505
English Heritage Legacy ID: 253536
Location: Kencot, West Oxfordshire, Oxfordshire, GL7
County: Oxfordshire
District: West Oxfordshire
Civil Parish: Kencot
Built-Up Area: Broadwell
Traditional County: Oxfordshire
Lieutenancy Area (Ceremonial County): Oxfordshire
Church of England Parish: Kencot
Church of England Diocese: Oxford
8/224 Stable range 25m to N of
Kencot House, with attached
wall and gatepier on E side of
stable yard
Stable range. Early-mid C19 with some later alterations. Coursed rubble
limestone with dressed quoins and stone slate roofs. Tall centre bay with
vehicle entry, flanked by lower stable wings, in Gothick style. Centre bay has
coped gable to front and is very slightly advanced. It has a vehicle entry with
dressed stone jambs and wooden lintel, a 2-light leaded window with wooden
Y-tracery, 4-centred arch and hoodmould, and a square clock panel with blind
tracery and Tudor hoodmould. Above clock panel is an arched bellcote. To left is
a 2-bay lofted stable. This has 2-light leaded windows with 4-centred wooden
tracery and blind tympana in semi-circular arched surrounds of dressed stone.
Central board door with wooden lintel and small boarded loft door above.
Contains 3 stable boxes. Attached to left end is a lower bay with half-hipped
roof and C20 garage doors. To right of centre is an altered wing, formerly open
to front, with later stone and rendered infill. This has 2 board doors, small
projection to right, and single loft light with Tudor hood in right gable.
Attached to front right is a short length of stable-yard wall, ramped down to
gatepier, with blocked archway. Wall and pier are probably late C19-C20, of
rubble stone, the pier with pyramid cap and ball finial. Included for group
Listing NGR: SP2553804961
This text is from the original listing, and may not necessarily reflect the current setting of the building.
Other nearby listed buildings


text:
Melbourne, June 23, 2011 – Wavelink, a value added distributor of business IP, wireless, communication and network security and access solutions, has announced it has sold its 5000th Polycom KIRK DECT system in Australia and New Zealand.
Ilan Rubin, managing director, Wavelink, said, "With a range of interfaces to telephony platforms including analogue and IP using SIP, system sizes ranging from two to more than 4,000 users and handsets for virtually every application, Polycom KIRK DECT solutions deliver wireless extensions to meet any organisations' needs.
"This milestone reinforces Polycom KIRK DECT as a leader in the adjunct wireless telephony market. Its success can largely be attributed to its flexibility and broad range of applications, its ability to operate in a range of environments, from offices and hospitals to factories, and to provide wireless extensions to virtually any PABX or IP voice platform."
Polycom KIRK DECT systems increase mobility of the work force and expand access to core telephony features for all staff in industries such as retail, manufacturing, hospitality, education and healthcare. Read more ❯


text:
sort by
1999 Suzuki Vitara JX 4dr SUV 4WD
I wanted a Honda or Nissan, but the extra $2k or more for those or for the Grand Vitara were budget busters for me. I love the purple color I got (electric cat's eye blue) and the cute and fun look; I don't drive a lot (just to work; I'm efficient and green) but I got this for off-road and it is excellent for that. I've not been off-road as much as I wanted, but that's my personal life, not the car. I think this is an excellent value, and should be considered.
Color, height, off-road ruggedness, steering wheel adjustments.
Back support, seat height variability.
1999 Suzuki Vitara JX 2dr SUV 4WD w/Soft Top
This is a rather tinny little car but it's sharp looking particularly once you get rid of the boring wheels it comes with. This is our "summer" car, and it's got that season written all over it. Absolutely fun to ride in! Ours has the small motor - not powerfull - but adequote with the stick tranny. I like working on my own vehicles; everything is accessible and in plain view! Be carefull on the highway - I suspect this thing could roll if turned very sharply. Good brakes, smooth runner. We doubt we'll ever get rid of it! We've had it for three years. If you buy a newer one still under warranty, be warned, Suzuki does not honor expired warranties, even if they are just one mile over!
Style, ease of maintenance and accessibility. Really fun to cruise around town in.
Body could be stouter. Stick transmission could shift smoother.
1999 Suzuki Vitara JX 2.0 2dr SUV 4WD
I just bought this car about 2 months ago. I got a great price for it and it only had 49000 k. The gas mileage is amazing! (coming from an 89 oldsmobile). It is so much fun to drive! The manual transmission is just fun alone but zipping around in this car makes it better! I love to just open the sunroof and unzip the back window. Sits like a truck but drives sporty.
The sunroof. It's much more than a sunroof b/c it's so big but it's easy to open/close. I also love how the seats fold down. I can fit so much in there. I took it camping last weekend and it was a blast!! I've also taken it out on the beach and WOW she's a monster!
The windows shake when they're not all the way shut/open. Hasn't caused any problems but still worries me a bit. When I downshift into 3rd gear, it grinds. The guy I bought it from said it has always done this and has never caused him a problem...he's had it checked out numerous times as well.
Great little truck for the price! I've
had mine for five years, and it runs
great. Just follow the maintenance in
the owner's manual. I have the model
with the manual 5-speed transmission,
and the 2.0 motor. Have carried
everything from bowling balls to kayaks
and my spouse, 6'4. Only negative is
some of the plastic pieces in the
interior broke, but not a biggie. Good
for long road trips. Convertible top
easy to use.
1. seats-well designed 2. Manual 5-
speed and 4WD-fantastic,smooth shift
3.suspension 4. reliability.
Needs better interior hardware such as
the grab handles and plastic door
I bought this car used with 82,000 on
it. So far I've had it a week, and am
in love with it. I haven't tried to
take the top off yet, looks a little
complicated, but only time will tell.
I like how it handles and the fuel
efficiency. I was suprised at how
roomy this little car is. My biggest
friend fits (6'5") and people have more
room in the back than in a jeep, not to
mention it handles better. I'm very
happy with my purchse and would
recomend this mini suv to anyone. I
have a samurai and really had fun with
it...but needed something that could go
freeway speeds. It's a little mountain
goat in 4wd!
4wd, the mileage, daytime running
anti-lock brakes.


text:
One of the most mind-boggling things I hear people say in regards to training with a coach goes as follows:
"I want to work with you, but I need to get into better shape before we start training."
I then proceed to ask this person how they plan on getting into better shape before starting. After stumbling over a few words, they typically realize if they haven't made a change yet, they're probably not going to.
In this day of age, social media marketing through platforms like Facebook and Instagram acts as a double-edged sword. On one hand, it's great to showcase my client's capabilities and progress to their friends and family.
This has also created a mindset of self-doubt and intimidation in prospective clients that don't understand the process of working with a reputable coach. Hence the quote above.
I couldn't tell you how many times I've had someone says they would never be able to lift a certain weight, yet proceed to do it a week or two later without realizing it. I'm a firm believer that strength training requires more mental exertion than physical. Once people step foot through the door and begin to trust a system, their confidence skyrockets. It's awesome watching someone excel once they get the ball rolling, but the biggest issue is actually getting the ball rolling.
So how exactly do we combat this?
I tell everybody that walks through the doors at ILP that this whole weight lifting game we play takes time to get good at. You don't deadlift 500 pounds on day one and anyone that tells you otherwise is a bullshit artist. If you're on the fence about hiring a fitness pro to help you achieve a healthier lifestyle, keep this in mind.
A good coach will be able to assess where you currently stand, where you plan on standing, and then formulate a blueprint to get you to this desired outcome. Assisting you to success rather than throwing you right into the fire should be the objective of any coach that cares and understands success.
The hardest part is getting up and starting. Once you get your feet wet and see what you're truly capable of doing, training becomes a habit.


text:
There are "malevolent" forces of taxation conspiring to destroy your career as a Buy-to-Let Property Investor.
This Hallowe'en is one day of the year when we have fun and can "pile on" the fear about the future, but frankly there's rather a lot to be afraid of financially - if you're like most landlord investors in the UK today.
Now, if property tax puts you under a spell, things are set to get far more ghoulish from next year, as the changes to UK landlords' taxation begin their gruesome grip on our finances.
There's no Silver Bullet - but knowing your options is the key.
Help is at hand...
That's why we're meeting with a group of determined buy-to-let owners in Westminster next week on Thursday 10th November.
It's war, and it's time to prepare our defences.
If you're around London next week, join us for an evening in Westminster as three property and tax experts join forces to give you survival strategies to manage and grow your property interests.
Due to high demand seats are now very limited, but to find out more and reserve your place, click the button below:


text:
This is a challenge anyone can do, no limits, no restrictions, anything goes.
I made a pretty keepsake box for a mom, would be a nice baby shower gift for a new mom I think.
The pin easily slides out so it can be worn.
It can be filled with any small gift or gift card, fabulous I think!
Here is the link to the products I used, you can choose any color that fits your theme, a birth stone or favorite color.


text:
Anthony Peardew is the keeper of lost things. Forty years ago he carelessly lost a keepsake from his beloved fiancée. That very same day, she died unexpectedly. Brokenhearted, Anthony sought consolation in rescuing lost objects — the things others have dropped, misplaced or accidently left behind — and writing stories about them.
Now, in the twilight of his life, Anthony worries that he has not fully discharged his duty to reconcile all the lost things with their owners. As the end nears, he bequeaths his secret life's mission to his unsuspecting assistant, Laura, leaving her his house and all of its lost treasures.
Recovering from a bad divorce, Laura, in some ways, is one of Anthony's lost things. But when the lonely woman moves into his mansion, her life begins to change. She finds a new friend in the neighbor's quirky daughter and a welcome distraction in the rugged gardener. As the dark cloud engulfing her lifts, Laura, accompanied by her new companions, sets out to realize Anthony's last wish — reuniting his cherished lost objects with their owners.
With an unforgettable cast of characters, The Keeper of Lost Things is a heartwarming read about second chances, endless possibilities and joyful discoveries.
"Hogan's novel reveals how even discarded items have significance and seemingly random objects, people and places are all interconnected," says Booklist.


text:
Iran holding a contest to find best Holocaust cartoon
The great thing about being a libertarian is you can sneer at both sides of most debates. While the Muslim response to the comics is ridiculous and insane, I still maintain (as I posted earlier) that the Europeans are hypocrites by invoking free speech when they have special censorship laws to protect Jews. Iran is now taking that line:
Iran's biggest-selling newspaper has chosen to tackle the West's ideals of "freedom of expression" by launching a competition to find the 12 "best" cartoons about the Holocaust, the Associated French Press reported on Monday.
Farid Mortazavi, graphics editor for Tehran's Hamshahri newspaper, said that the deliberately inflammatory contest would test out how committed Europeans were to the concept freedom of expression.
"The Western papers printed these sacrilegious cartoons on the pretext of freedom of expression, so let's see if they mean what they say and also print these Holocaust cartoons," he said.
[Jerusalem Post]
I don't really see any more reason to ban Holocaust cartoons than the controversial Muslim ones, so good for Hamshahri.
Of course, its not like these two sides are equal in their immorality. On the one hand, we have Europe, who I'm poo-poohing for being a little too restrictive on free speech. On the other, we have Islamic extremists, who are rioting, threatening death, and setting buildings on fire over a few stupid cartoons. Its no contest who the good guys are. And the recent deaths due to the protests are all deaths of protestors, not European ambassadorial staff, so at least the body count is going the right way.
I am sure that the fact the
I am sure that the fact the Iranians are targeting Jews with their cartoon contest has nothing to do with the fact their President wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. They are using this whole cartoon row as an excuse. Wondering if they planned this contest, like the conference, all along. :wall:
That Finnish libertarian
That Finnish libertarian blog blew my mind. Finnish looks crazy.
- Josh
Free Speech, both ways Iran
Iran holding a contest to find best Holocaust cartoon (from Catallarchy)
Indeed. Like in most nordic
Indeed. Like in most nordic welfare states, in Finland the christian church is happily married with the state, with of course the accompanying economic and social privileges.
Best of all, blasphemy is illegal in Finland. People have been sentenced to fines for insulting the christian god even just a couple of years ago. The maximum penalty for dire blasphemy is 6 months in jail.
Sickening, but it certainly
Sickening, but it certainly adds some perspective.
I agree with - like - every word in this post. Good, good, good, good blogging, Patri.
"Farid Mortazavi, graphics
"Farid Mortazavi, graphics editor for Tehran's Hamshahri newspaper, said that the deliberately inflammatory contest would test out how committed Europeans were to the concept freedom of expression."
Obviously, Mortazavi's "test" will surely backfire on him. If Europeans, and European Jews in particular, display even one-fifth of the violence and rabblerousing that was shown after the Muhammed drawings, I'll be surprised.
And it's not like cartoons depicting Jews as parasites, vampires, monsters, devils, etc, are anything new in the Middle East anyway.
Oh, this is very much in
Oh, this is very much in keeping with a timeless pattern of anti-Semitism: does soemthing piss you off? Take it out on the Jews!
My thought throughout this
My thought throughout this whole ordeal is: what a backwards culture that cannot distinguish between the institutions of religion, the press, the government, and the body of citizens. To them the first three are inseperable. Because one DANISH NEWSPAPER said something offensive, DENMARK must suffer as well as DANISH CITIZENS. And hell, some throw in all westerners just for good measure.
It's scary. I've been fighting the us-against-them groupthink that has set American war drums beating since 9/11. It's startling to see such a stark example of it on the other side.
from the CIA
from the CIA Factbook
Denmark is: Evangelical Lutheran 95%, other Protestant and Roman Catholic 3%, Muslim 2%
so although I agree with the Iranian newspaper to respond to the cartoons with their own contest, its kind of stupid to target the Holocaust when there are no Jews in Denmark!
Best of all, blasphemy is
Best of all, blasphemy is illegal in Finland. People have been sentenced to fines for insulting the christian god even just a couple of years ago. The maximum penalty for dire blasphemy is 6 months in jail.
Wow, that's even more hypocritical than I thought.
Doug: Obviously, Mortazavi's "test" will surely backfire on him. If Europeans, and European Jews in particular, display even one-fifth of the violence and rabblerousing that was shown after the Muhammed drawings, I'll be surprised.
But that isn't not the point. As I said, there is no question about who is more peaceful, and that isn't the point of the cartoons. The point is that Europe held up free speech for mocking a religion as the reason to publish the cartoons, yet they don't actually allow free speech for mocking a religion. They are peaceful, but they are peaceful censoring hypocrites.
Jacob - yes, I love the Danish governments initial response, which was like "Um, it wasn't us. It was a newspaper. Newspapers do what they want. Go away"
These people need to watch
These people need to watch South Park, particularly "The Meaning of Christmas."
Patri, I agree that the
Patri, I agree that the Western European countries are hypocrites on this issue. But, at least their hypocrisy vis a vis free speech related to religions is, generally, trying to do something good. The consequential outcome isn't good, but still not the point. There is a massive difference between a culture that is full of hypocrisy due to guilt over the holocaust and trying to make amends for it and a culture that is full of hypocrisy due to wanting to commit a new holocaust.
And I would venture to say that many of the newspaper editors aren't the hypocrites in question. So, the Jyllands-Posten isn't necessarily hypocrites, just constrained by wrong headed laws. I don't know that to be true of course, I'm speculating.
The bottom line is what I choose to support. It's not a perfect world where I can choose the perfect group to support who are well aligned with the ideals of classic liberalism. Instead I have well meaning (generally), but only partially liberal on one side and definitely not well meaning and definitely not liberal on the other side to choose from.
The world that I wish to live in does not exist and until space is a viable frontier, it will not exist. An earth with jets and nukes is just too small for competitive governments and a liberty market right now, and has been for 100 years, or so.
It's also worth noting that
It's also worth noting that there's a big difference between making fun of a religion and making light---presumably approvingly---of the slaughter of millions. I have no doubt that the holocaust cartoons will be much more offensive than the Mohammed ones, and there's not necessarily any hypocrisy in publishing the latter but refusing to publish the former.
The reaction to the
The reaction to the holocaust cartoon contest ought to be that it's far better than rioting or killing people over cartoons. Instead Bush played right into their heands giving them the offended reaction they wanted.
I have no doubt that the
I have no doubt that the holocaust cartoons will be much more offensive than the Mohammed ones, and there's not necessarily any hypocrisy in publishing the latter but refusing to publish the former.
Hypocrisy isn't a crime anyway. The point is that nobody in the west is going to riot when they see Iranian cartoons, whatever they are.
i wonder if that editor
i wonder if that editor would have printed those cartoons had he been living in say o i don't know, saudi arabia or pakistan. safely encapsulated in his little limp wristed world, i'm sure he got a tummy ache and sobbed himself to sleep on his ikea form fitted bed, when he heard there are places on earth wjere there are actual repercusions for your actions. like it or lump it, this world always going to be filled with people who physically extract revenge. i don't agree with it but when you walk around slapping pitbulls in the face, don't act shocked when it chomps your face off, and 'trying to understand why' just antagonizes the fucker. leave em alone.
Well Qwest, that's certainly
Well Qwest, that's certainly one approach. I'm sure that the violent totalitarians and religious extremists agree with you.
The same paper in Denmark
The same paper in Denmark that ran the Muhammed cartoons says it is going to run these offensive Holocaust ones. So I guess there isn't some legal double standard in Denmark about this after all. Both Jews and Muslims can be mocked.
they don't 'agree' with me,
they don't 'agree' with me, i'm just stating how some people are, and western liberal blabbering and hand wringing isn't going to change them.
why does everything in this world have to be squeezed throught the 1 dimentional iq of the tv liberal? maybe they don't want to be democracies with impartial courts? why do we have to 'try to understand' everything through a filter thats as equally retarded as they are? as a libertarian who couldn't care less, trying to define/understand the rest of the world like/as a liberal is like watching a baby trying to open a safe. the thing is too stupid to even know what its looking at let alone understand the process' at work.
What is worse that European
What is worse that European goverments are not censorious (not that I am advocating it) against other language papers published in their country that are anti-semitic. As long as its not in the local language it seems to be alright. :wall:
Ummmm, Qwest, the reality is
Ummmm, Qwest, the reality is that classic liberalism has done more to change "how some people are", how cultures and societies are organized, and how differences are tolerated than any other single political movement. Ever. Since libertarians are the descendants of classic liberalism you would, presumably, understand that people, cultures and governments can be changed. To suggest that it's "just how people are" and we can't really do anything about it is to give up and surrender. This whole live and let live thing only works if everyone involved is of the same mindset.


text:
8:8:8 Lion's Gate
TE-TA-MA Truth Foundation – Family Of URI
Affiliate Temple Of The Holy Trinity Church Of The Creator®
Holy Code
August 8, 2018, Humanity is given another opportunity to walk through a 'Doorway of Accelerated Awakening, Amplified Infusions of Trinitized Trinities Of Light' – The 8:8:8 LIONS GATE.
Humanity is moving through the 12 month cycle, approaching the anniversary of "The Great American Eclipse." Eclipses awaken imbalances, bring to the surface, hidden unconscious patterning and programming that limit our unified Collective co-existence and human reality. Eclipses are 'cosmic liberators' of subconscious patterns no longer serving humanity, be they outdated, corrupt or destructive.
Certainly since August 21, 2017, the United States of America, its government and its citizens with the world watching, have had quite a bit of what no longer serves 'bubble' to the surface for everyone to witness, to make changes, let go of the old, and move towards a Unified 5th Dimensional Co-existence.
It is impossible to ascend into 5th Dimensional Consciousness and disparage other genders, races, cultures, or economic class as inferior or less than. Any sense of superiority or exclusivity is based in ego and/or duality consciousness. The 5th dimensional earth plane operates in unity consciousness. We cannot reject others and still ascend into unity consciousness. During this influx of energy frequencies, we must embrace all energy, both light and shadow, transfiguring to ONENESS.
Cycles of eclipses are igniting an impassioned, united call to end all war, violence, corruption and rampant greed. The Lunar Eclipse on July 27th is in Aquarius, amplifying 'people power' in action. This is our moment! We are being called to embrace our Divine authority, truth and leadership in the global ascension of All Humanity. Every Lightworker, every Human Being needs to ask themselves 'how am I bringing Love, Light and Peace to the planet'?
Sacred Mandate
Treatise of Joining in Principle and Witness
GRIDS Accord Seminar™