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It was inevitable that one of the two big hitting games would come out on top and perhaps it was a mistake to have them release in close proximity of each other but some startling figures have shed some light on the cost of war between the two giants.
A testament to the amount of nutters on Xbox Live.
Yet any CoD are also the highest selling games on the PS3
I dont care for either MW or BF but generally speaking it is usually the simplicity of a jump in and play type of game that garners more players. Less learning curve to get to the heart of the action.
Now if both are virtually the same then it could be about one simple thing. Brand recognition. BF3 may be the more technical of the two but it lacks the brand recognition that COD especially MW has.
You can try and persuade people to leave MW for BF but they would need a really compelling argument to give up something they enjoy playing. Then again, entertainment value is subjective. We all place value differently in our gaming time.
This is no surprise. I've said that the Call of Duty brand is associated with the Xbox platform more than any other platform out there.
Given M$'s DLC exclusivity deal with Acti, their love for all things shooters on Xbox (Halo series, Gears Series and the very high popularity of the Call of Duty series would make the Xbox version the highest selling one.
Even though Battlefield 3 is the better game of the two, people are most likely to stick with what they already know works and love. People who only play CoD will tell their friends to only play that as well. If only they'd see the awesomeness that is Battlefield 3....
reported for telling the truth and hurting people's feelings
Yup..by first quarter next year the top 3 selling PS3 games of all time will all be Call of Duty games. Easily the biggest franchise for the system. MW3 may end up breaking records on all consoles by the time it is through.
I've had fun playing over Live and I laugh at how a few of my friends at work are already working on their next Prestige. But, my gaming life has now stopped at Elder Scrolls. This has been on incredible fall and holiday season.
This is proof of how many idiots are in the world. Why buy a game that has no effort in it? the levels are the worst in all COD games
A testament to the amount of FPS nutters this gen regardless of platform -- FIXED
but compare xbox360 sales to ps3 and.....but yet people will disagree saying that cod dose not sell better on xbox and so on.
So what does that say of PS3 users then when COD also sells more than most other PS3 exclusives regardless of the genre?
It doesn't say anything about the PS3 users at all. It just says that MW3 is a beast in sales.
Yes, I fed the troll. He was looking a little malnourished...
A malnourished troll on N4G would be like a malnourished cat who lives in a fish market. Does not happen.
Or that more than half of the XBL MW3 gamers cant wait to try out the game hack/mods as they release, or claim they'll get you Prestige rank X for a certain amount of MSP in their BIO
Not to discredit CODMW3 cause it is the highest selling game of the year but those BF3 across the board numbers ARE NOT CORRECT!!
Those BF3 number only account for RETAIL SALES! They completely left out the PC Digital Sales which we have no info on until EA gives it to us. As you may or may not know PC Gamers purchase most of their games Digitally.
But over 6 million on just the 360 is HUGE and a testament to the madness that is COD.
BF3 sales on PC have suffered enormously because of the Origin-disaster, which still isn't resolved.
At least in Germany.. the outcry has been MASSIVE, you could read about it in every damn newspaper.
EA shot itself right in its f*ing knee.
I can not understand why i got 13 disagrees when all i did was tell the truth.
SOME people on N4G are a bunch of misinformed HATERS who just RAGE disagree without providing any information.
Those BF3 sales figures are incomplete until EA releases it's Digital Sales figures FACT!!
and like i said MW3 selling 6 million alone just on the 360 is a HUGE accomplishment.
Much Props and respect to those who disagree and provide information on friendly debates.
No, it is a testament to how many of us gamers have settled for the bare minimum. It is sad too. Expect next years cod to b the same engine as black ops, same generic story etc. As long as they are breaking records, they will spend little and improve even less. Yes, I like battlefield much more and I am happy that they attempted to push the boundaries with a new engine etc, but they didn't go far enough either. Here's to hoping that rice's next iteration will try new game modes, something new w Co open etc. I will buy their next game because i know they have proven the ability to push forward. Cod could help to push the genre forward w something new and fresh but we basically told them not to change a thing.
I'm glad to see that many of the hardcore gamers prefer B3. I just wonder how many copies of cod sold if u strip out those under the age of 16 & those who bought it because they wouldn't b able to show their faces in school if they didn't. My hat goes of to activision for creating this phenomonom but i am sad that the greatest franchise in entertainment history is able to get away with such stagnation.
How on earth can you describe bf3 as complex?
Both games are teen games made for the masses.
@ Kos-Mos,
If you think that Battlefield 3 is not complex, then you must be that guy on my team who's not marking enemies, who's not capping/defending the objectives from a concealed or defensive position, who's not using their load out class to it's designated role, and who equips the flashlight/laser sight, but doesn't switch it off so as not to blind thier own teammates. You must be the guy on my team who's running around a map the size of Texas, doing bunny hops to avoid incoming fire while spinning to counter attack at range with a pump-action shotgun.
BF3 is complex. That's one of the reasons it has not sold as well as MW3, because the pop-culture crowd wants mindlessness. That's why commercial radio stations play Kelly Clarkson and Creed and not Wes Montgomery or Herbie Hancock.
well,360 leads for both mw3/bf.the console that many claim only kids play is the home for console sales of both run and gun and the mature shooter that people claim bf3.and please don't come with that 360 owners only buy fps titles non-sense....many other type of titles also sold well on the console....play games and not be loyal to some machine/ multi billion dollar company.
Very true about 360 not being just a kid FPS console (I have one as well) but I can't help but notice a trend that there are always the least amount of players on BF3 (check bf3stats) during school hours lol while PS3/PC are always greater. Than at night 4pm onward massive surge of 360 players. Just look right now for instance:
Don't think you will be getting a reply for this comment. Great anecdotal evidence, speaks volumes.
you know fluffy, you really should factor in the timezone issue. It's always school hours somewhere, just saying...
"I can't help but notice a trend that there are always the least amount of players on BF3 (check bf3stats) during school hours lol while PS3/PC are always greater."
PS3 & PC, the platform of choice for the unemployed! The numbers are low during the day because we're WORKING!
@Montrealien fair enough but I was mainly referring to the US since that is where the main Xbox user base resides and I believe the greatest TZ difference is 4 hours.
@grahf really? I think anyone with a nice enough rig to play BF3 on is not likely to be unemployed...
That's the thing though, the 360 is the console of choice in the US, so it would be normal that during US school hours/work hours, less people play BF on the 360 or any console for that matter. I am pretty sure that fact stands everywhere else for all platforms. Unless the whole planet does not work, or go to school.
its easy to make assumptions. Point is, we really dont know the real ages of those who play. There is a great possibility of users who play that do work during the same time frame as those who go to school.
It isnt like these stats are collecting ages of players. Also, a really good pc isnt absolutely need to play this game. Some can squeak by with the minimum and still play. Sure it isnt the same as having a few thousand dollars worth of latest tech but it gets the job done.
You win, PC and PS3 are owned by kids not old enough to attend school and teenage drop outs and unemployed 20 somethings that live with their moms.
X360 users go to school, varsity and have jobs and can't possibly game when they are at school/work.
School hours????? OR WORK HOURS.
I could easily say that those numbers indicate that people with ps3 and PC are unemployed people and home schooled loosers that play games all day, while 360 gamers are mature adults who are at work during the day.
But as you can see, generalizing a console community based on hours played is completely dumb and can be molded to form any moronic fanboy comment that we so desire.
Also, playing games during the middle of the day is not something that mature people are goign to be doing all day. Im actually pretty sure that most mature people would be way more likely to play games at the end of the day than during the day regardless of if they are kids or adults.
"during school hours"... wouldn't those same hours be work hours too?
edit: I should have read what the above guy said before i posted the same. :)
Easily one of the worst Self PWNings in the history of N4G.com.
@ graph (+bubz)
Thank for the laugh I almost spit out my coffee at your response to what everyone was thinking when they read it.
Whats "sad" about people willingly using their money to buy what they enjoy? It's the same reason why people buy games like Uncharted 3, Skyrim etc., because they believe that they will enjoy it.
What is "sad" is not what you have describe, but that the worse game that is pushing no sort of boundaries or has its own artistic direction and has become the Happy Meal of first person shooters, is more popular and having better success than the much better game.
It's sad that Battlefield 3 is less popular than Call of Duty rehash 101.
Why are you ASSUMING that he thinks it's sad that people are buying what they enjoy?
He probably could have meant that it's sad that BF3 failed to compete with MW3 after all the hype.
What I find "sad" is that once unique FPS (i.e Killzone) have been ruined due to CoD's success.
"What I find "sad" is that once unique FPS (i.e Killzone) have been ruined due to CoD's success."
Killzones been getting better and better with each iteration IMO. Sorry that you feel differently. Playing with Sharpshooter with KZ3 is the most immersive experience I've had this gen.
@ DigitalRaptor
Some people may consider that 'sad' but it seems logical to me. Quality of games aside, it's pretty much well-known that the COD:MW series is more mainstream than the BF series.
The COD:MW series has always been developed mainly for consoles while BF has traditionally been developed mainly for PCs. There are currently a lot more console gamers out there than PC gamers, casual gamers included.
Even though BF3 is available on consoles, it is very hard to see it winning out over MW3 in sales, especially with casual gamers who vastly out-number 'hardcore' gamers.
What's sad is how easy it is to get a reaction out of every Tom and Dick on this wesbsite. This guy will probably post the same thing tomorrow and people will be all over him... again...
haahha yes, blame COD and the people who play it because a game you like tried to copy it.
Thats not a problem with COD, its a problem with THAT game and THE DEVS WHO MADE THAT GAME.
Did IW or sledgehammer make killzone???
NOPE, BLAME GUERRILLA BECAUSE ITS THERE FAULT NOT IW, ACTIVISION, or the people who buy COD.
Thats like blaming nintendo because bubsy 3d sucks.
It`s sad that people like games without depth.
Killzone 2 was one of the most unique shooter experiences. The heavy controls, the weight of the player, the slow reload and turning speeds, and the no perks system is everything a core shooter should be. No auto aim or quick scoping, no air strikes... what made you a better player and top leader boards were objective points. No kill streaks. A player was better, because he was, it was his skills... the game didn't make him stronger or reward him more. The reward was being better and seeing your team dominate the top 5.
KZ3 has been CODerised... More people may have played the game at launch than Killzone 2, but this quickly dropped off. Most of the deicated players quickly left... and what do I know about Killzone? 800 hrs logged on KZ2, compared to 200 hrs logged on KZ3. 600 Hrs on COD4: MW, compared to 100 on COD:MW2.
@NeloAnjelo i completely agree. i dont even think i logged in 100 hours in kz3 i got sick of the game. just wasnt the same as kz2 and felt dumbed down. even all of my cod friends who hated kz2 loved kz3. one of the most dissapointing games for me this year
I'm confused,Ur sad because people bought a game they like with there OWN money they will play in there OWN house with there OWN friends. I think what's sad is u. Get a life, not every one likes BF3. Cod killer my ass,the only thing it killed is EA ego after all the trash talking they did. Cod just took a huge dump in the mouth of those people saying R.I.P Cod when BF3 was announced,I remember it like yesterday :)
wow, go play cod and make sure to take one copy with you when you die as well. :D
Because there's a point when what people are deciding to with their money becomes burdensome and toxic to the industry, both creatively and financially.
Think about the problem in the USA and the UK with fast-food and poor diets. At a certain point, it stops being solely a matter of personal choice and a free-market. Day after day, millions choose to eat McDonalds instead of something that doesn't have the salt content of the dead sea per 100 grams. Are they right to continue to do that? Are they doing it because McDonalds is clearly the best food available? Or is there a slightly more sinister problem at hand, highlighting the influence of marketing and branding on impressionable minds, which can have a seriously detrimental cultural and social impact?
Granted, it's a dramatic comparison, but it's not at all unfounded. In order to compete, other games try to emulate COD, trying to establish their brand in bolder and more subversive ways but always just riding on the same bandwagon as COD, and thus the diversity and quality of the products of the industry goes down. WAY down. All because it becomes unaffordable to be unlike COD, because investors know that's all the kids want to play and they want that COD money.
@ LightofDarkness
"All because it becomes unaffordable to be unlike COD, because investors know that's all the kids want to play and they want that COD money."
What you're describing sounds like it would be greed of the investors/publisher/developers to get that "COD money", not the consumers fault.
COD has not stopped developers from innovating and pushing the industry. Even though BF3 didn't sell as well as MW3, it still sold better than their expectations and was considered a success. If they decided to go the COD route just to get more money out of the consumer, then you can't 'blame' the consumer.
i had only one friend buy bf3 with me. everyone else mw3. me and my buddy dont understand cause they wont even try bf3 and it is the better game. i understand mw3 can be fun, but its not the best online shooter. everything EA said bout their game being better still holds true.
Lets assume what you're saying is true, which frankly its not, but for the moment lets assume that McDonalds is ruining the restaurant business with its cheap prices and our health with its fatning menu, lets assume COD is ruining gaming with its accessible gameplay and non re-inventing of wheel formula gameplay. The alternative you seem to suggest is that McDonalds and COD should just go away.....that because SOME abuse them by overeating or neglect to play other games then we need some type of government/ industry sanctions to dictate what we should be allowed to eat or play. GFTOH, what happened to freedom of choice?, what happened to personal accountability? If people want to eat unhealthy and get fat or smoke we dont need to make more laws to stop them, no instead we need to hold them accountable by making them pay higher healthcare costs, to offset future medical expenses and when they get sick that is a result of their own poor decisions but either way their choices dont effect my health actually Im in great shape, because I work at it, Im proud I just finished in the top 5% in the Spartan Race in Malibu CA this past weekend, still I like having the CHOICE to spend my money on an occasional meal at McDonalds, I dont smoke though but thats my choice and Im glad we live in a free world where I chose to buy MW3, fact is I prefer it vs BF3, ironicly contary to all the MW3 haters fear tactics darkness did NOT spread throughout the land, and you can still play BF3, UC3, Batman AC, Skyrim, etc.....but oh wait....the end is near since I just heard every dev will NOW only make COD cloned games starting in 2012 with Bioware overhauling ME3 using the COD engine with perks, killstreaks and OMG Shepard is trading in all his abilities plus armor for a riot shield and dual pistols. You' re right we' re all doomed!
Next thing you'll be telling me the annual, global sensation and biggest video game franchise of recent time has managed to outsell some other lesser known game. Sheer madness.
This was always going to happen but good numbers for them both. I still need to pick BF3 up will go this in the next few weeks but far too many good games coming out at the moment that I want.
Incredible, and yes ppl MW3 is fun.
I can't stand how every map feels like its the size of shipment.
Im only lvl 35 but i have yet to find any enjoyment in the game compared to all the fun i had with the past ones.
Then why the hell have you played it to Level 35?
Lol really cause even the smallest map is much bigger then shipment and overall I am seeing some of the biggest maps I have every seen in cod (never played blops).
For some reaon I feel all your disdain for the game is not the games fault but your own because its easily the best cod since mw1. Learn to play and take advantage of all the new stuff and features before blaming the game.
"If you play the game lame then it will be lame, don't blame the game for you being lame" I think this applies to many many cod haters.
I agree with Oschino. The maps seems big if anything. I don't know what game BlackTar is playing, but Dome is probably the smallest map and is 3 times as big as shipment.
Okay. I played till lvl 35 because i give games chances and im not done playing. Just because i don't find any of the same enjoyment does not mean i find none. Im playing alot of BF3 right now because of the big tourney. So im not good i was a MLG'er for all COD besides this one and WAW.
all you have to do is type MW3 small maps and you get 100's of hits in google. Shipment was a ex. obv. the map is not the same size but its still valid the maps are much Smaller.
Your tripping if you think these maps are bigger then MW2 BLOPS or cod4.
Learn to play i prob? i probably got a higher KDR and win pct then most of you guys. Just because some one knocks something doesn't mean the problem is there not good. Its scrubs who use that line anyways.
Anyways if you want to add me to friends list do so if you think im not good add me and come play with me and my buddies. BlackTar (PSN) Thizzwshingtn(360) mostly play cod on 360 and Bf3 on ps3
Why just disagree? Why not prove something i saw is false.
the internet is littered with article saying there the smallest maps and most clustered of any COD game. its almost fact to be honest. Please respond are you disagreeing that im good at the game? Do you think im making anything i saw up? add me please it would be my pleasure to game with you people. Im not a jerk btw on games so don't worry about that. To be hoinest my whole clan well both of them total maybe 50players all agree maps are too small and besides here and now i have never heard anyone on GB.com or MLG.com or Virgin.com or gamersaloon.com say the maps are anything but much smaller more condensed.
BlackTar is right though- the maps are however not so much 'small' as they are 'enclosed' and more like mazes. Just a little variety with a few open spaces would be good.
Still, I'm actually enjoying the game a lot and I don't really have that many complaints besides the usual spawning, hitpoints and standard COD complaints. It is a decent game and great fun with mates.
The maps are way better than any COD after MW1. MW1 was and is the best COD ever but I have to say I'm enjoying MW3 almost too much. I might have to buy it. Now the player moves at the same pace as in MW1 and I like the maps. I don't like the screaming children but luckily there is teh mute. I wonder how big a percentage of players actually are above 18 yo.
COD is a "brand name"
If you dont know what that is go and look it up, its the same way burger king will never beat McDonalds.
Branding + advertising = Big moneys
COD is a household name now wether people like it or not, you dont have to play it but when I do play it I think its a hilarous fun little game.
The problem presides when people think that it's the best game ever made cause of sales numbers, and not the qualities of the game itself.
It's that it went heavy mainstream that you get a lot of people into it. Look at the way how the community was when WoW had millions of players. You started getting people going "It's the best MMO EVER cause millions play it".
See the fact that 3 people don't even take a note to even contest against this and just "disagree" even just reinforces this situation even more.
Man....there are a ton of ducks out here. LOL..
Play anything these days.
are you a duck for buying/playing a game that you enjoy?i am sure everyone doesn't agree with your taste.
Find this pointless. We ALL knew Battlefield 3 WOULD get dominated by MW3's sales numbers. It was obvious. Try beating Battlefield 3 quality-wise, then say something.


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Denver Broncos cornerback, Chris Harris Jr. is reportedly unhurt after taking a controversial low hit by Tennessee Titans wide receiver Harry Douglas on Sunday. Douglas took aim at Harris's right knee during the second quarter of the Broncos 13-10 loss, a move to which Harris's fellow Bronco defender Aqib Talib took offense. The very next play, Talib answered with a late tackle to Douglas, which incited a brawl on the Titan's sideline. Talib's attack drew a personal foul penalty from NFL officials, but this didn't seem to phase him.
"It was a dirty play by a sorry player," Talib told reporters after the game, adding, "If I see him again I'm going to beat his ass." Chris Harris took to Twitter after he was cleared to return to the game after missing only one play. "Thank God for covering me cuz I thought my knee was gone," he wrote.
Thank God for covering me cuz I thought my knee was gone . ??— Chris Harris (@ChrisHarrisJr) December 11, 2016
Harris suffered an ACL tear in the opposite knee during the Broncos' 2013 season, which led to him missing Super Bowl XLVIII. Harris added that Douglas "tried to end my career, plain and simple" and that he hoped the NFL would fine the receiver for the unnecessary hit.
According to the Denver Broncos official website, several other Broncos players stood up for their teammates following the incident. "You mess with one of us, and you're going to mess with us all," said Broncos safety T.J. Ward.
"It's a super-tight group. We've all got each other's back. I think we just compete really hard, and it's an emotional game sometimes," added starting quarterback Trevor Siemian. Later, Douglas defended himself to reporters, saying, "I'm a tough player. I'm a gritty player. I'm not a dirty player no matter what anyone says."
As of now, neither Harry Douglas nor Aqib Talib have received fines following Sunday's events.

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