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When anybody moving his/her car from one city to another .Everyone have first question in his/her Mind "How to hire the best and affordable Car shifter within City .
In recent years, some transport company observed that they have been found some fraud activities .like theft, losses of car etc
So, Main point is how to find the reliable and affordable car transport company.
.Make a list of best car movers agencies.
Track the past record of faulty activity history.
Check the experience record and credibility, reputation on your own searches.
Physical Verification -like office address and parking yard etc.
If customer have not much time for survey then .make proper communication with the car transport company with senior person and ask the doubt and make his /her car transportation hassle free
Always Took Proper Quotation Like what is the:
Transportation cost -whether it's direct load or part load
Material using cost
Car/Bike transportation cost
Loading and unloading cost
Unpacking included or not
Tool tax charge
Docket charge
Goods insured or not if yes what value of goods which is under insurance
GST (IGST and CGST)
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Car transport is the physical transportation of the car or any other vehicle from one place to another. Car transport in Bangalore is service that has gained tremendous popularity in the last couple of years. It caters to the needs of the people who have to shift from one city to another. In such a case if one decides to drive down his car, it means endless days on road, and reaching the destination perhaps with a damaged vehicle.
That apart car transport in Gurgaon also entails the shipping of the car when a car is sold to a person living in another city.Bike Transport in gurgaon,Bike transportation in gurgaon,In that case it gets unfeasible for the seller to physically come, collect the car and drive it down. In that case. Best Car transportation company in gurgaon helps one in sending or receiving the car in the spick and span condition without any headaches.
When choosing an auto transportation company, it is better that one goes for enclosed car transport. More often than not, the distances between the two cities are such that it may take days for the car to reach its destination. In case if one chooses an open transport then there are chances that his/her car may somewhat be damaged because of the lashing winds and rains. Therefore, by spending a little more, in case one settles for an enclosed transport, both the sender and the receiver can be sure of transporting and receiving their vehicle in the perfect condition.
Apart from doing away with the hassles of Car Transport Gurgaon, enclosed car transport has also helped a large number of auto dealers to mushroom across the world. Now people are no more forced to buy new or used cars from the local dealers. They can now easily rely on such a company for taking care of the Car transportation. The advent of internet has given huge boost to this industry.
Before one zeroes in on the car transport company, there are a few factors that he or she should look into-
The right equipment- it is important that the enclosed vehicle that is intended for the job is hard sided and completely enclosed, so that it protects the cars from dust, rock and weather. This becomes all the more important if one is moving a vintage or a collector's car.
Safe loading and unloading- it is also important that these trucks are equipped with hydraulic lift gates. This is so because such lift gates facilitate the lifting if the cars into the trucks in an absolutely horizontal position.
Door to door tracking- to know exactly where the vehicle at a given time on a given day.
Air ride suspension-these trucks should also have the facility of air ride suspension so that they are cushioned throughout the transit.
Find a company you are interested in and go directly to their website for a quote. (Do not put your information in a multi-quote website. You will receive unfavorable email and phones calls by 20 different companies.) You must enter all information correctly to receive the most accurate rate. Most automatic quotes that you will receive are for operable, standard passenger vehicles. Cars with modifications (i.e. lift kits, lowered suspensions, bigger tires) and cars that do not run cost additional money for the size, weight and conditions for the carrier.
Do not automatically go with the lowest price. Many companies lure unsuspecting customers with the lowest bid. They then need to locate a carrier to physically move your vehicle. If the carrier does not accept the low price (and generally they don't), then your vehicle will not be moved. A lot of companies low-ball customers into using their company.
Research the transport companies you are considering. Learn from others experiences using the wealth of information available on the Internet. You can start with simply doing a Google search of the companies name, or by using a review website. Call multiple companies, ask friends if they have ever used a car transport company. Review quotes, terms & conditions, reviews posted on the Internet, and . Make sure they have been in business at least a few years.
Make a decision about which company to use and book your transport. Make sure to have a confirmation via fax or email. Read everything a company sends you before signing it. Be aware that if you place a reservation via Internet, your e-signature is binding once you click send or submit.
Prepare your vehicle for transport by removing all personal or valuable items Car carriers prefer you have less than a quarter tank of fuel because it greatly decreases the weight they carry and the less weight they haul the better the fuel economy while driving from point to point.
Make sure the carrier inspects your vehicle. At pick-up, the driver should inspect the car for any existing damage. They will footnote the damage on a VEHICLE CONDITION REPORT. They will ask you to sign it and will hand you a copy of the report for your records. Keep this with you until the car is delivered.
Inspect the car to ensure there are no additional dings, dents or scratches. This is your only opportunity to claim damage, so please take your time. If any damage is claimed, make sure the carrier signs the condition report and make sure you retain a copy for your records.
At the bottom of this page there is a intant quote or EQUIRY FORM. Fill the form carefully mentioning your requirements. It is very simple to fill the form. Your requirements will be sent to our car transportation company teams who will provide you highly competitive rates for car transport services. Take your time to make decision right. Firstly compare rates, services and other details before you make a final deal with anyone..
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Physicists and deep thinkers investigating the mysteries of Quantum Mechanics and multiple-realities received a huge boon yesterday (Stephen Hawking was said to be so excited that he twitched an eyebrow) when Secretary of State Hillary "Splitting Headache" Clinton declared the end of causality and the death of Schrödinger's cat by stating that answers - and therefore questions - are completely irrelevant in our universe because "What does it matter?!"
Were our representatives brutally murdered and perhaps sodomized by YouTube protesters, or just by some guys strolling down the street with rocket launchers feeling bored? According to Hillary, "What does it matter?"
Did Obama really beat Al Qaeda, or is it still as big a threat as ever? What does it matter?!
Did Susan Rice and Barack Obama lie, repeatedly, about the attack? What does it matter?!
Did the State Department fail to interview their own survivors in Benghazi to find out what happened? No? What does it matter!?
Did Osama bin Laden bring down the twin towers, or was it George W. Bush? What does it matter?!
Obamacare is causing medical expenses to skyrocket rather than decline. What does it matter?!
Were the Sandy Hook murders committed with handguns, or the "assault weapons" the government is so eagerly trying to ban? What does it matter?!
Is this now officially the worst economic recovery in our nation's history? What does it matter?!
Has Obama's Jobs Council not even pretended to meet in over a year? What does it matter?!
Is one out of four kids in America now using foodstamps? What does it matter?!
Will raising taxes kill more jobs and become a disincentive for investing in America? What does it matter?!
Will Iran soon have nuclear missiles with which to wipe out Israel? What does it matter?!
Did the president of the United States use his inaugural address to viciously attack capitalism and foment class warfare? What does it matter?!
We could could go on and on, but you get the point. We all get the point. Hillary has coined the perfect phrase to represent the Elitist Left in this country- because nothing matters to them except getting the results they want. No question of morality, responsibility, or even logic. If they think it's the right thing to do, then what does it matter if our nation goes to hell?
And included in their pronouncement is the assumption that the rest of us should presumably STFU and ignore things like cause-and-effect, evidence, accountability, and clear conclusions.
But we won't ignore those things.
Because we know damn well what matters and, unlike our elected enemies of the state, we know why it matters.
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ESUG wants to support the mobility of students that want to be in contact with research labs doing Smalltalk. We propose 5 grants of 600 Euros per year to students that want to do internships in labs doing smalltalk.
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"Canvas view allows developers to deliver richer content, games, and UI to users on iGoogle as well as the opportunity to monetize," explains Google. Not all the gadgets take advantage of the canvas view, but this page highlights some gadgets that can be maximized and the list includes: Google Reader, Google Calendar, Gmail, weather, Wall Street Journal and regular feeds. For example, the new Gmail gadget lets you read your messages and send replies directly from iGoogle, but it lacks some features that would've made it a good replacement for the full-featured Gmail: links and attachments are stripped from messages.
Google has been testing the new version of iGoogle for the past three months on a small sample of users and many of them complained about the new navigation interface.
"We're very excited about these changes because it makes iGoogle a more useful homepage and a better platform for developers. And this is just the beginning: expect to see more canvas gadgets created by developers and more new features on iGoogle soon. Not in the U.S.? Don't worry. We'll also be rolling out this updated version in other countries very soon," mentions Google's blog.
The next big thing for iGoogle is the support for OpenSocial that will make Google's personalized homepage more social.
If you have the new version, but you prefer the previous interface, go to the settings page and select English (UK) from the list of languages. Please note that this is just a temporary fix.
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The leading contractors on the Obama administration's troubled health insurance website told Congress Thursday that the government failed to thoroughly test the complicated system before it went live.
Executives of CGI Federal, which built the federal HealthCare.gov website serving 36 states, and QSSI, which designed the part that helps verify applicants' income and other personal details, testified under oath before the powerful House Energy and Commerce Committee.
The contractors said they each tested their own components independently but that the Health and Human Services department was responsible for testing the whole system from end to end. That kind of testing didn't happen until the last couple of weeks before the system's Oct. 1 launch.
It quickly crashed once consumers tried to use it.
Representing QSSI, Andrew Slavitt told the committee that ideally, end-to-end testing should have occurred well before the launch, with enough time to correct flaws.
How much time?
"Months would be nice," said Slavitt.
"We would have loved to have months," concurred CGI vice president Cheryl Campbell.
The administration's determination to go live on Oct. 1 despite qualms about testing quickly became a focus of the hearing, which turned sharply partisan at times.
Republicans, still committed to repealing Obama's health care law, approached the questioning with a prosecutorial tone, leading New Jersey Democrat Frank Pallone to call the whole exercise a "monkey court."
The contractors did say the problems can and are being fixed on a daily basis, and they expressed confidence that uninsured Americans would have coverage by Jan. 1, when the law's benefits take effect, though they would not be held to a timetable.
The hearing comes as President Barack Obama's allies are starting to fret about the political fallout. Democrats had hoped to run for re-election next year on the benefits of the health care law for millions of uninsured Americans. Instead, computer problems are keeping many consumers from signing up through new online markets.
One House Democrat says the president needs to "man up" and fire somebody, while others are calling for signup deadlines to be extended and a reconsideration of the penalties individuals will face next year if they remain uninsured.
Rep. Richard Nolan, D-Minn., told The Associated Press the computer fiasco has "damaged the brand" of the health care law.
"The president needs to man up, find out who was responsible, and fire them," Nolan said. He did not name anyone.
The focus on the contractors is a first step for GOP investigators. After the failure of their drive to defund "Obamacare" by shutting down the government, Republicans have suddenly been handed a new line of attack by the administration itself. Administration officials, including Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, are to testify next week.
Slavitt, representing QSSI's parent company, said the operation's virtual back room, known as the federal data hub, is working well despite some bugs.
But his company was also involved with another part of the system, a balky component for registering individual consumer accounts that became an online bottleneck.
Slavitt acknowledged the registration system had problems but said they've largely been cleared away.
And he also laid blame on the administration, saying that a late decision to require consumers to create accounts before they could browse health plans contributed to the overload.
"This may have driven higher simultaneous usage of the registration system that wouldn't have occurred if consumers could window-shop anonymously," he said.
Rep. Joe Pitts, R-Pa., chairman of the panel's health subcommittee, said he wants to focus on the administration's decision not to allow browsing, or window-shopping. That's a standard feature of e-commerce sites, including Medicare.gov for seniors. Lack of a browsing capability forced all users to first go through the laborious process of creating accounts, overloading that part of the site.
"Who made that decision? When was it made? Why was it made?" Pitts asked.
Without proof, some Republicans are suggesting it was done for political reasons, so shoppers could first see tax credits that work a like discount on their premiums.
Acknowledging what's been obvious to many outside experts, the administration now says the system didn't get enough testing, especially at a high user volume. It blamed a compressed time frame for meeting the Oct. 1 deadline to open the insurance markets. Basic "alpha and user testing" are now completed, but that's supposed to happen before a launch, not after.
Meanwhile, House Democrats are starting to worry aloud about persistent problems with the rollout.
Former White House chief of staff Bill Daley, interviewed Thursday on "CBS This Morning," said that Obama "can't just get stuck on this for the next several weeks." As for calls that Sebelius be fired, Daley said that would be like firing the captain of the Titanic "after the ship hit the iceberg."
Obama says he's as frustrated as anyone and has promised a "tech surge" to fix the balky website. White House spokesman Jay Carney said the administration will be more transparent about the problems. After more than 20 days without briefing the media, HHS will start regular sessions on Thursday, he said.
In light of the computer problems, some Democrats are saying Obama should consider extending open enrollment season beyond March 31 and revisit the penalties for individuals who don't sign up and remain uninsured. Under the law, virtually all Americans must carry health insurance starting next year or face fines.
On that point, a change in the timeline for signing up for coverage is underway, the White House said. Consumers have until Dec. 15 to apply for coverage that's effective Jan. 1. Even though open enrollment lasts until March 31, people would face a penalty if they postpone buying coverage beyond mid-February. Calling that a "disconnect," the White House said officials will soon issue policy guidance allowing consumers to sign up by the end of March without penalty.
Associated Press writer Jack Gillum contributed to this report.
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Far too often, researchers are misinformed about the role and the possibilities arising around patents and Intellectual Property Rights (IPR). In this course we will teach you what IPR are – with a special focus on patents. Also this course will look at the importance of patents in the world of biotechnology – and what you actually can patent.
Should your research be protected? Can your research even be protected?
There are a lot of misunderstandings about patents, so first step is to know what patents really are and how they work. Then we will introduce how and when to apply for them. Also how to find existing patents is a crucial and necessary element to being able to assess whether your research should be protected or not.
The course will be divided in 7 sessions, and at the end of the course, you should be able to:
– describe the different types of IPR
– explain the conditions of patentability for an invention
– describe the various stages involved in a patent application
– search and retrieve patent information from databases
– read and understand a patent
– write claims related to biotechnology
– understand and explain the concept of Freedom To Operate
Course Materials:
You will need the following book as a reading material for the course:
"Patenting in Biotechnology, a laboratory manual" by Peter Ulvskov, which will be available from
Also, you will need to get access from your home institution to these databases:
– Derwent Innovation Index (via Web of Science)
– SciFinder
This course is related to a 5 ECTS point course that is a mandatory requirement for access to the BioBusiness and Innovation Platform (BBIP) program at the Copenhagen Business School. NOTE: this Coursera course will NOT be sufficient for attending the BBIP program but successful completion of this course (with a Course Certificate) will be a plus for applying to the BBIP.
To obtain the 5 ECTS points, you will have to enrol as a DTU Student, participate on a hands-on workshop on patent databases and pass an exam in presence of an external Censor. For more information, please email me at:
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Sunday, April 01, 2007
A convoluted April Fool's joke
The various folks at scienceblogs.org and pandasthumb.org have recently had great fun debunking a character at the Discovery Institute named Michael Egnor. (From Pharyngula: Example 1, Example 2.) Egnor claims to be both a neurosurgeon and an evolution skeptic, and he holds some truly laughable creationists views.
Today, both Panda's Thumb and Pharyngula are reporting that the Discovery Institute revealed, through their evolutionnews.org site, that Michael Egnor is an elaborate hoax. Egnor is not real, they say, he is a construct to see how "gullible" these "Darwinists" are and bait them into silly ad hominems. And boy, did it ever work!
Only one problem. I noticed, and apparently so did several other commenters, that the link above actually goes to evolutionnews.NET, not evolutionnews.org. And furthermore if you try to get to the main page of evolutionnews.org, as I did, you can't -- there's a 404 error.
Cleverly, though, all the links on the .net page redirect to the appropriate areas of evolutionnews.org, so to the careless reader, it appears that they are all part of the same site. Also cleverly, the header was stolen from the .org site and so were the stylesheets, so it looks nearly identical.
The thing that tipped me off was that I went to the main site to look at what else was posted before and after the alleged "April Fool's" post, and found that the post itself was not there. There was, however, a NEW post by Michael Egnor, which begins: "I am a devout Catholic..." I thought: "Hmmm, that's odd that they would try to keep up the pretense after they just revealed that it was a joke..."
So, dear readers, the joke's on YOU. As crazy as Michael Egnor sounds, he's the genuine article. Assuming that PZ himself is in on it, sorry for ruining your joke, but I figure people will read your site before ours. :)
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- Anonymous4/01/2007 6:03 PM
Someone's up to something alright, just open the links to both the .org and .net in different tabs, then click back & forth with your eyes on the man's face at the top.
ReplyDelete - Anonymous4/01/2007 9:36 PM
Free Palestine! I just felt that a clarification was needed on the Israeli topic, not all atheist are as quick to support the illegal occupation of Palestine by Israel.
www.ifamericansknew.org So, what -- it's an uberly-more complicated version of "The Very Best Blonde Joke Ever"?
ReplyDeleteSo if it were proven scientifically without any doubt and without the bible at all that God exists, would you close your doors and believe then. I have found scientific proof of God without any verses and such. I have straight science and provable where Darwinism is flawed with evidence to back it up. Tracie and crew are you actually ready for reason or are you just going to keep calling me a liar without any evidence of your own. You don't have to perform intellectual suicide to believe in a creator.
I must admit without all of you atheists challenging me to be precise about my thoughts, and forcing me to back up my thoughts, I would never have found this evidence. After exploring this subject I have found the proof all of you are looking for.
Unfortunately I just found it so I will need time to gather said evidence for a presentation. The evidence is there and I am willing to do what it takes to provide the evidence for every one of your viewers.
Are you willing to look at scientific evidence of a creator without biased against me? You are all trying to discredit me because I misspelled something Martin, when I have pointed out proof that you have done the same. Let's start with a clean slate and a new blog to present a case for a creator. I challenge all of you against my evidence. Do you accept this challenge? I will prove my position in a whole radical new way do you accept my challenge?
I challenge all of you to a true debate. We can give each other a week or more to prepare rebuttals and such Do you accept? I can even call in but I am afraid that you all would be at a disadvantage and may look unorganized to your fans and you may loose live on air. That would hurt you egos. I would like to explore possibly a mediator or judge to run the debate as to not have a biased and slandering medium that you all love to run to.
Winner takes all, if I lose I turn away and let you all spew whatever hate filled dribble you want but if you lose and I am declared the winner then you have to publicly denounce your program and shut down. We can negotiate the prize but that is what I wish. It could be fun, you have all said how uneducated I am so it should be a breeze for you, right?
For him,
Dan- Anonymous4/03/2007 1:48 PM
Isn't Dan cute?
Does anyone think Dan will come up with (uh, I mean cut and paste) any so-called argument that have never been heard nor found wanting by people here before?
Anyone taking bets?
I say the chances Dan comes up with a brand new, logically sound, never heard-before-by-atheists argument on this matter are about ten billion to one. Give or take a few hundred million. - Anonymous4/03/2007 1:52 PM
"Winner takes all, if I lose I turn away and let you all spew whatever hate filled dribble you want but if you lose and I am declared the winner then you have to publicly denounce your program and shut down."
What about you?
How about if you win, you get to spew whatever hate filled dribble you want about us not getting into your great country club in the sky.
But what if you lose? I'll give the inch that the Bible's right in that I am a fool for asking as though you'd even concede to evidence to the contrary (hence faith). Nonetheless, I've (and I don't speak for anyone but me) always said were there a God who wants to know me, I'd want to know Him (worship is another question but we'll fall of the cliff when we get to it). I'm pretty sure that last sentence was a grammatical nightmare and I apologize.
Dan, you have me on the edge of my seat and I'm willing to hear you with an open mind. But I have to point out right off the bat that should I challenge your evidence with questions and skepticism (because I will, it's how science works) does not mean that I have a closed mind and am dismissing you out of hand.
I can't wait, but take your time and get it all together. We'll need the time to figure out what happens to you should you fail to bring us around. - Anonymous4/03/2007 1:59 PM
"Winner takes all, if I lose I turn away and let you all spew whatever hate filled dribble you want but if you lose and I am declared the winner then you have to publicly denounce your program and shut down."
He really is funny. If "us guys" win, Dan will leave a place where he showed up unannounced, a place he was never asked to proselytize to anybody in the first place, but took it upon himself to do so in an atheist encvironment.
"If you win, I'll finally stop annoying the crap out of you and wasting your time. If I win, shut down your whole operation."
Sounds great, genius.
It's like trying to argue with a complete stranger in a restaurant, who wasn't asked to be bothered, but the pest says he'll leave if he loses the argument, but if he wins, the bothered guy has to habd over his car keys!! I think that's called extortion the last time I checked.
Hilarious, really. I'm tempted to say you can't make this stuff up, but I'm not so sure. You don't have to perform intellectual suicide to believe in a creator.
Then why have you?
You don't impress us with the adolescent bluster of your latest "challenge," Dan. We already don't take you seriously, as you've amply demonstrated you don't know what you're talking about just about every time you sit down to the keyboard. Tracie and Stephen in particular have TKO'd every argument you've offered without breaking a sweat. You're just not the master apologist you seem to think you are.
If you've had your feelings hurt by the mean things people like me have said about you here, you should consider that your behavior up till now is what has earned it. Consider that a person who tries to tell us he's smarter than Richard Dawkins and yet writes at an elementary school level is going to be mercilessly ridiculed as an idiot. If you don't like being called "uneducated," then stop making false and uneducated statements about subjects like evolution, about which you simply aren't in possession of the facts. Stop saying brainless crap like "Darwinism is flawed" when the mere utterance tells us all we need to know about how you simply don't know what the hell you're talking about. Learn some of this "humility" you've arrogantly lectured us about and accept that there are many fields of knowledge in which you don't have the necessary expertise.
Your macho tone neither intimidates nor intrigues us. If you have "evidence" (now, amazingly, suddenly, after a month or more of laughable and easily demolished pseudo-arguments), then present it. We will evaluate it on its merits and draw our conclusions accordingly. Keep in mind that if you cut and paste more Ray Comfort silliness, it will simply result in more abuse for you. So save the "winner takes all" bravado for the other third graders, and present whatever it is you think you have to present.
And... now that you have said it, we will hold you to your promise to go away if this amazing new evidence you've got is as bad as what you've offered up to now.- Anonymous4/03/2007 5:48 PM
Derek said...I smell bananas.
Nice one Derek. I smell a new meme. - Anonymous4/03/2007 6:27 PM
Dan Marvin said...
>I have found scientific proof of God without any verses and such. I have straight science and provable where Darwinism is flawed with evidence to back it up.
So you really do figure you are the superior to all your Christian predecessors? Impressive, hmmm, what is the word I am looking for here?
>Unfortunately I just found it so I will need time to gather said evidence for a presentation. The evidence is there and I am willing to do what it takes to provide the evidence for every one of your viewers.
I'll hold my breath as I expect you to be prompt.
>Are you willing to look at scientific evidence of a creator without biased against me?
>I will prove my position in a whole radical new way do you accept my challenge?
I am more than willing to help out here as I have several dozen peer review papers published myself and have helped my colleagues review a few for publication. You really don't need to be radical, old school proofs and complete sentences will be more than enough. Graphics! Everybody likes graphics but be concise.
>I challenge all of you to a true debate.
If you have evidence, why would a debate ensue?
>I can even call in but I am afraid that you all would be at a disadvantage and may look unorganized to your fans and you may loose live on air. That would hurt you egos. I would like to explore possibly a mediator or judge to run the debate as to not have a biased and slandering medium that you all love to run to.
It is an open line free for all who care to call. Hmmm, that word is on the tip of my tongue, what is it?
>Winner takes all, if I lose I turn away and let you all spew whatever hate filled dribble you want but if you lose and I am declared the winner then you have to publicly denounce your program and shut down. We can negotiate the prize but that is what I wish.
If you win you become wealthy and famous. You will be renowned by Christian's world wide as the greatest Christian since Saul of Taurus. Is that enough reward for you?
>It could be fun, you have all said how uneducated I am so it should be a breeze for you, right?
It won't be fun, but a breeze? I think it was Bertram Russell who said there hasn't been an original thought in 2000 years and I think that your theory will be shown to pre-exist and its rebuttal easily found with a simple Google search. I have yet to see the exception to this assertion.
Zed - Anonymous4/03/2007 7:38 PM
Aww man, still nothing? It was my hope to came home, pour a glass of wine, and enjoy the festivities. Oh well, take your time.
In the mean time I would like to ask one of the questions I asked on the last long comment thread but I think everyone had already left. It went as follows:
Dan said:
"[Christians] can't be convinced to do anything but God's will."
"You [atheists] have a fog over your eyes placed there by God."
So, tell me again… what is he doing here? - Anonymous4/03/2007 8:17 PM
>Not to mention that atheist like Tracie and Otto do not even believe that Jesus existed when everything under the sun points to Jesus.
I made an original statement to you about this. Later I had to post my original quote and correct you, because you said this same thing. So, I've already corrected this error once. This is twice now. So, you can't claim ignorance. You're purposely misquoting me. Please note my quote, presented to you for the third time now in the comment areas of this blog:
>>My quote you are responding to: "First of all, I never said there was no Jesus. You assumed it, I'm guessing?"
The truth is that I'm very open to the idea that the legends are based on a real person. Nobody can say for sure Jesus lived. And anyone who makes that claim of knowledge is lying or mistaken; but I don't think it's unlikely that the Jesus stories are based on a real person. Just because I point out that his existence is not established fact does not justify your repeated misquote that I don't believe Jesus existed.
>are all just fake or made up people to just put up nice looking buildings?
Buildings, such as St. Peter's Cathedral, were built, literally centuries after the events supposedly took place. The people who built these buildings had no firsthand knowledge of the existence of Jesus or the apostles. They believed in these things, certainly. There were also myriad temples and monuments dedicated to Athena and Apollo in Greece. According to your argument, Athena and Apollo must have really existed, since many buildings bore their names and likenesses.
I notice that nearly across the board the arguments you expect people to accept in defense of Xianity, you openly reject in defense of other religions or ideologies (such as alien abduction). Why is it that your arguments are only valid when applied to Xianity? Why does argument X support Xianity; but the exact same argument X doesn't support Greek pantheons—even though it's the exact same claim applied to both ideologies?
Just because people believe X existed, and name things after X doesn't prove X existed. You agree with this—otherwise, you'd believe in Athena. If you don't believe in Athena, even though there are buildings named after her—why in the world would you try to use that same logic (that you find unconvincing about Greek polytheism) to sell the existence of your personal beliefs about Jesus and/or the apostles to me?
I agree that it is likely they existed—just as King Arthur and his court and Robin Hood and his Merry Men. The Jesus and the Apostle tales were most likely based on some level on real people as well. But to say that we are certain they all existed is way overstating what is supportable by the evidence available to us today.
>Where is Mohammad's statue?
It is against Islam ordinance to create an image of Mohammed.
>2 billion people were moved so dramatically that they can't be convinced to do anything but God's will.
And many Moslems and Buddhists are moved just as much. And people have given up their lives for purely political causes as well—even supporting things such as Nazism. Again, alien abductees often express that their lives have dramatically, and forever, been altered by their experiences. Are all these claims true, then? If you reject their claims and arguments—then you should have a clear understanding of why I reject your claims and arguments. If the argument is not convincing when others use it to support their ideologies—it really is no more convincing when you use it to support yours.
>the experiments would not work with true Christians.
The big problem here is that nobody can define a "true Xian." You posted a section from Patrick's blog, and you applauded his faith in god. If five years from now, you find out Patrick has become an atheist or Buddhist, you'll say he wasn't a "true Xian." There are many people on this forum you've already done exactly that to. It is impossible to ID a "true" Xian, since none of us can see into the future to know who will remain faithful.
>We are capable of resisting evil, he argues
I agree. People resist harmful impulses all the time. It doesn't require supernatural intervention.
>who is teaching who here.
I think this may be the problem. I'm listening to you, and even thinking about what you say—to the point I come to this area to post sometimes during the evening with ideas I come up with later that night or the next morning. I'm not opposed to "learning" something. But just above you say, "There are buildings named after X—so X has to be real"—and then I think, "Well, there are buildings named after Y, and nobody here, including Dan, thinks Y is real…So why would Dan even use that as an argument?" Does he think we're all stupid enough to accept an argument to support his belief system that he, himself, would never accept to support someone else's belief system? I don't get insulted—but I can't imagine that your "arguments" aren't meant to insult our intelligence on some level. Otherwise, I can't explain why you seem to expect us to believe things about your personal beliefs that you clearly see as fallacies (and openly reject) when applied to other people's beliefs.
I am considering what you're saying. I'm not offering some borrowed quote or learned apologetic or Bible verse. I'm saying, "I hear you Dan, and this is what I think about what you just said." The problem is, I have said the following more than half a dozen times:
"If there is no god, then any claims regarding what god says, does, or intends are based on a false premise. Therefore, before we can make claims about what god is responsible for, we have to show there is a god—so we know our claims about god are not based on mistaken speculation."
And I've provided examples that, as far as I can tell, we all agree show the practical importance of this statement. But it remains unaddressed. It's not just a logical concern—it's practically concern:
People believed in humors because they saw illness. But if someone hadn't realized we have to confirm our premise (humors)—then we'd never have learned about germs. We wouldn't have vaccines or many of the very helpful treatments we have today to help ill people. Humors aren't a "given" just because we experience illness.
I don't see the flaw in this logic. I don't see how this is not a practical, as well as a logical, concern. And you have not yet once "heard" it and responded to it.
The closest you came was to offer that the need for faith negated it. But my response to that was that I don't have to believe in the power of my remote control in order to see it work. I don't have to believe in "starving to death" in order to die if I quit eating. There is, in fact, only one thing in the objective reality that I can think of that only works if you believe it works: a placebo. Your god sounds like a placebo. And when I see that you say you're "transformed"—but you manifest the same "failures," I can only assume this transformation is a delusion. There doesn't appear to have been any significant, observable change that you have demonstrated.
>Tracie believes that by convincing people that there is NO GOD then she is not harming people.
Again, you're saying I said something I have not said. Here is the actual exchange:
>> What if you convince thousands that there is no God to find out there is, how about then?
>Again, I do not have this ability. I put out information. I do not lie. People interpret it as they will. For example, you're talking to me. And you believe in god still. You are a perfect example that I don't have the magical ability to make anyone believe something, simply by explaining why I personally believe it. I've explained it to you, and you don't agree with me; other people have that same capacity—they can think and choose for themselves.
Where did I ever say that "I believe" that I even am capable of "convincing people that there is no god"? YOU actually said it about me. And now you're claiming that your opinion of me is what I actually said. In fact, above, I'm denying, openly and clearly, exactly what you're claiming that I said I believe.
I do not attempt to deconvert people from Xianity. You're simply making this up. YOU said that I am convincing people of things. I never said I was, and I even openly disagreed that I was. I actually said the opposite of what you said I said. See my further quote:
>you're presenting me with arguments for what you believe, and I'm responding to say why I don't find them convincing myself. This is not the same as trying to convince you to adopt my ideology. I am not going to Xian forums to deconvert people. I could try to do that, but I have no desire to. If someone wants to know what I know, I'm happy to share it. But I don't actively try to deconvert people.
It appears that anything I actually say is being wholly ignored; and you just put in whatever you wish I'd said—and attribute it to me. I say X, you say I said –X. It doesn't matter what I actually type. Above, you're actually saying I said the opposite of what I truly said. I guess I should be offended or something, but it's just so outrageous, it's just funny.
Again, I'm not trying to "teach" anyone anything. I'm just saying what I think. But you apparently have a different agenda:
>You are the ones that haven't learned anything that is being taught to you.
And this desperate agenda—to prove to strangers that you're right (not to actually make sure you really _are_ right)—I believe, is what is causing information and ideas to not get through to you. You don't have to agree with a person to understand what they're saying or the concerns they're expressing. But you can't even comprehend what is being communicated to you. You, literally, are unable to actually hear the other people who are addressing you. I'm not going to play armchair psychologist, but I do think it's weird that you have such an extreme need to have others agree with your opinions, and I have no explanation about why you get so upset when people question your views or point out your beliefs are not facts. I don't dare to presume to know how you ended up like this—but I can say that, based on the number of times I've had to correct your claims regarding what you said I said, whatever is causing this clearly impedes communication getting through to you, because it creates some sort of a mental communication barrier. I say X, you hear Y—so I said Y…in your mind. But when I go back to see my quote, there's no question but that I said X.
>Killing babies is not immoral? This is the guy you all are listening to and following
If killing babies is immoral, then "the guy you're listening to and following," you believe, killed every baby on the entire planet at one point. Nobody is "following" Matt anyway. That's a silly claim.
It's interesting that you bring up the problems caused by unprotected sex in your last post. In many European nations, they have far less problems with STDs and abortion rates—even though their young people are more sexually active. Avoiding negative reactions is more about responsible behavior than hard and fast rules like, "don't have sex until you're married."
>Tracie said " If this statement were true, converted Xians would be on the cover of Scientific America." You mean like Sir Newton?
Let's keep it in context. If what were true? Here's the conversation:
>>Dan: This is the opposite of what I am stating. It is a radical noticeable transformation that can't be written off as just a feeling because everything about that person is different. The person goes from being an apple to transforming into an orange.
>Tracie: No, no, no: To turn an apple to an orange requires a genetic level change. You can't be claiming anything this radical. If this statement were true, converted Xians would be on the cover of Scientific America. Your bias is clear from this grossly exaggerated claim.
Did Cover Guy experience genetic change that made him such a scientific anomaly that he was on the cover as proof of a miraculous genetic conversion? In no way was I saying that Xians can't be included in science or on the cover of a science journal. I was clearly stating that if they were manifesting miracles—unexplained by natural law—such as apples turning into oranges—they'd be covered in SA. Is this what you're claiming happened to your Xian cover example? Or are you again, just hearing what you want to hear, and not what is actually being stated?
>Tracie said " Gravity does not prove Gravity Fairies." But wait a minute, Sir Isaac Newton did discover Gravity and created law's of motion for the scientific community he also invented the reflecting telescope had a tremendous contributions to advanced physics and BTW he "possessed a deep religious sense, venerated the Bible and accepted its account of creation. In late editions of his scientific works he expressed a strong sense of God's providential role in nature." He was a Christian and a scientist.
Yes, and…? Many scientists are not Xians. And…? How does this negate my statement that Gravity does not prove gravity fairies? I don't see where you're disagreeing with that logic. Because someone believes in god doesn't mean they know there is a god or that they can prove there is a god. In fact, if someone as brilliant as Newton believed it and still failed to prove it—that's all the more reason to doubt it, I would think.
>I have proven the flawed scientific principles of a person you worship called Richard Dawkins ... why would you follow his flawed resoning and not Sir Newton's?
Is this to me or to the list in general? If it's to me, I challenge you to find any quote of mine in this entire discussion where I so much as mention Dawkins.
But I will point out a dilemma you're creating: If there are Xian scientists (not the sect, but just Xians who are also scientists), proving god should be a breeze. Unlike Big Bang theory—which was said to have happened long ago, and can only be studied theoretically from observing residual phenomena—your god is said to exist in the here and now—and is supposed to exist everywhere. So, locating and examining god should be a snap with all of the science Xians now have at their disposal. I find it odd that no Xian scientist has yet accomplished something that should be so easy as locating and examining a currently existent item in the objective reality that is supposed to be found everywhere and anywhere one looks.
>BTW Tracie C&C are of the devil. They had nothing but hierocracies that I noticed when I was a young Christian.
Where do you get your information?
Churches of Christ are the opposite of what you are claiming. They are autonomous and nondenominational—they reject any external, central governing authority. Each church is an independent entity. In fact they rejected the idea of a united authority for churches as unscriptural.
"Each congregation of the church of Christ is autonomous, answering only to God and functioning within the laws of the land."
"The Churches of Christ are non-denominational, autonomous Christian congregations. These churches comprise about 2,000,000 members in over 15,000 individual congregations worldwide."
"Each church is known locally as a Church of Christ and its members as Christians, and each church is autonomous in government, with elders, deacons, and a minister or ministers."
"Churches of Christ are autonomous Christian congregations that generally emphasize their belief that they represent the original, primitive Christian church established by Jesus Christ and the Apostles on the Day of Pentecost."
While I can't say for sure that there is nobody in the world calling themselves the "Church of Christ" and operating differently—what you're describing is certainly not aligned with any standard Church of Christ—and I've definitely seen some that vary—but none with a hierarchy like you're describing.
And again, they offer a fantastic dilemma for the doctrine of "personal revelation"—that if each person gets their own personal info from god, then what is the Bible for? That is a very legitimate question. If people get information and "epiphanies" straight from god, I would think this direct communication with god would be more preferable than a book containing forgeries, with a meaning that even Xians can't agree on.
>If you "LIVE" in sin for a season then you are of the devil. Christians are transformed forever. Eternal life begins here on earth, forever.
Transformed how?
I offer Dan's past post to Stephen: "But who said I was without sin? I am trying not to sin in my daily walk but I am human and fail."
>Tracie said " You say not just your mindset, but your behavior really, truly changes. If that's so, do you still need forgiveness? " Of course you do! Try that in court I know I raped that woman Judge, but I have changed now and my behavior truly has changed. The just Judge would say "you should change your behavior but you still have committed the crime and justice must be satisfied." That is why you need forgiving even if you lied once in your life Tracie. Have you ever told a lie?
You seem to be giving an example that supports that a true Xian only has to ask for forgiveness of past sins?
I offer Dan's past post to Stephen (again): "But who said I was without sin? I am trying not to sin in my daily walk but I am human and fail."
In your example about the court, you're describing needing forgiveness for past sins. But it seems you still sin—by your own admission. Are you seriously claiming I should accept that transforming someone who sins into someone who still sins, takes supernatural intervention?
Again, how is this different than claims that Allah, Buddha, and alien abduction, change people's lives? Even if their changes aren't complete, it's as good as your change—since you admit you still do what you did before. - Anonymous4/03/2007 8:33 PM
Just to clarify, when I reference Dan's last post--I mean his last post that I saw that addressed me--not his last post on this forum.
ReplyDelete - Anonymous4/03/2007 8:49 PM
>>Winner takes all, if I lose I turn away and let you all spew whatever hate filled dribble you want
How do you define a loss for you? What are the parameters that we can use to define whether or not you've won? What I foresee is you coming back with something less than convincing, us pointing out it's less than convincing, and you claiming we're all lying and in denial. But under no circumstances, even if you were soundly trounced, can I imagine you actually admitting it. - Anonymous4/03/2007 8:57 PM
When I just posted: "I don't see the flaw in this logic. I don't see how this is not a practical, as well as a logical, concern. And you have not yet once "heard" it and responded to it."
I have to say, I posted my post here because I was trying to keep up with Dan--but I hadn't read this latest challenge thing. If Dan truly addresses god from a direct manifestation standpoint, then he will have responded to the concern above. I just wanted to clarify that. - Anonymous4/04/2007 1:28 AM
Dan mumbled something that sounded like:
"I have found scientific proof of God without any verses and such. I have straight science and provable where Darwinism is flawed with evidence to back it up."
First off, there's a problem with your logic here. I know, everybody, I know...I'm shocked too.
How does showing a flaw in Darwinism provide scientific proof of God's existance? The provability of a theory needs to stand alone, independant of other theories. God cannot be proven by showing flaws in Darwinism, all you've managed to do is show flaws in Darwinism if you did that. In no way does disproving one theory prove another!
I see this all the time with IDiots. They love to talk about their "theory", but in reality all they ever do is (unsuccessfully) attempt to find flaws in evolution. They think that finding a flaw in ToE somehow would prove Creationis...er...Intelligent Design. No! *If* you could show ToE to be flawed, all you've managed to do is show ToE is flawed, you have done nothing to advance or prove ID...that must stand alone, it must be provable or falsified on it's one, independant of other theories.
Anyway, unless it's another product of Dan's poor grammar, or another "I wrote one thing, but meant another", I read into this that Dan thinks that his "evidence" will somehow show flaws with Darwinism, and thus, this proves God. It's the same line of thinking I see with IDiots, and Dan is just as wrong as they are in thinking it. And, I suspect, just as unsuccessful.
And if he is successful, I with to preemptively congrats Dan, or whoever he's going to copy and paste from, for winning the Templeton Prize, and most likely even a Nobel of some sorts. Oh, and converting almost the entire human race to Xtianity, since there is now irrefutable proof of the Xtian Gods existance.
I'm putting my money down on it being Samuel J Hunt's new paper that "proved" creationism, that God spoke all things into existance. It basically boils down to (given that if A=B, and if B=C, then A=C):
"1) There is a mathematical and physical relationship between all (a) matter and [b] frequency,
2) There is a mathematical and physical relationship between all [b] frequency and [c] sound.
3) Therefore, there is a mathematical and physical relationship between all (a) matter and [c] sound."
I'm also putting my money down that Dan will never admit he's lost, or that his proof / evidence has been refuted. Either he'll say we're denying the truth, our hearts are hardened and it won't let us see the truth, we're just refusing to acknowledge we lost, or he'll read over / not understand the posts that show where the problems in his evidence is. Most likely the last, as Dan seems to be a creature of habit.
Dan: Why not just give us the link? Why do you need to write up your own presentation, when I'm sure the original paper is much better written and/or easier to understand. The middle man, in this case you, will just serve to muddle the original evidence up a little more. If the original is so irrefutable, so correct, so convincing, why not just give us the original? - Anonymous4/04/2007 5:31 AM
Dan has me rivoted. I keep coming back to see what his "evidence" is.
Interestingly, I think he's already blown it. Dan, Dan, Dan...do I need to send my fifth grader to school you in how the scientific method works? If you state a conclusion, and claim that it's "proof", then you should've already done the hypothesizing, testings, collection of data, and THEN formed the conclusion. You're doing it wrong! You're starting with a conclusion and working backwards. You've already lost.
If you want to submit, for our consideration, that God exists AND THAT YOU HAVE SCIENTIFIC PROOF then you have to play by the rules of good science.
When you do that, THEN I might take you seriously. - Anonymous4/04/2007 6:39 AM
Latest claim from Dan:
""I have found scientific proof of God without any verses and such. I have straight science and provable..."
Prior quote from Dan:
"Science can be proven by God but God can't be proven by science.
"Follow this logic:
"God is by definition supernatural.
"To be supernatural you must be outside of the natural world.
"Supernatural and Natural are mutually exclusive.
"Anything that can be scientifically proven is part of the natural world.
"Therefore anything supernatural can not be scientifically proven.
"Therefore God can not be scientifically proven.
"Therefore any scientific proof that God is supernatural must by definition fail.
"Since God by definition must be supernatural to exist, then the existence of God can not be proved by science.
"If God were proved by science then it would be part of the natural world and therefore not God." from Marc Perkel
Wouldn't this means that even if Dan finds "scientific proof" of a direct manifestation of god, we will know immediately it is not the god Dan believes in--since Dan has clearly stated that the god he believes in a god that "can't be proven by science"?
Additionally, faith will be leveled, and so a god that can be proven is not a god requiring faith--again, wouldn't this be a different god than the Biblical god? Be afraid, Dan, be very afraid!
"Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the nonexistence of God.
The argument goes something like this: 'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
'But,' says Man, 'the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own argements, you don't. QED.'
'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
(Douglas Adams, Chapter 6, 'The Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy,' c. 1979)
The Great Nose knew more of logic than you, Danny boy, and he shows the complete moronic fallacy of your last challenge. You have REPEATEDLY said it's ALL a matter of FAITH, of DENYING what we know and GIVING IN so we may finally SEE GOD.
By the very fact that you have now publically stated you have "SCIENTIFIC PROOF" your version of a god exists, you have just PROVEN he DOESN'T.
Have whomever is reading the latest set of lies to you find you a book on logic and explain that last statement to you.
Were your parents related? Your ignorance is becoming increasingly bizarre all the time.- Anonymous4/04/2007 9:16 AM
Thank you for digging all that up. It must have taken awhile. I wanted to go find all those myself but I'm too lazy. Also, between your arguments, OT myth lessons and sexy voice I think I'm developing a bit of a crush.
But just for fun I'm going to play devil's advocate here and point out that while yes, he did say again and again that God was none of science's damn business (to DISprove, I gathered) he did say "Unfortunately I just found it…"
"It" of course being the evidence. So perhaps he can reconsider his position in light of new information after all.
Come on Dan, I got your back! But please hurry, it's hard to keep a straight face. - Anonymous4/04/2007 10:03 AM
Matt has already challenged you to a debate over at The Iron Chariots Forum.
All you have to do is register and then PM Matt for access. You and Matt will have your own special thread all by yourselves where you can both decide on the rules and definitions. Then you are free to take your time and have a good one-on-one debate.
I think this would be a lot easier than trying to do it on this blog where you feel the need to respond to everyone.
What do you say, Dan? - Anonymous4/04/2007 5:22 PM
Thanks for the compliments Derek!
Just to note, that if would be "unfortunate"--because it would have disproved Dan's god exists--as Dan defined his god.
And it would have proven my point (that I repeated ad nauseum) that making claims about god without begin able to examine god means a person is speculating, and it creates a high probability of one's ideas being incorrect.
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Adrian Beltre began the second inning with a line single to right and J.D. Drew hit an opposite field double off the Wall. Lowell's grounder brought Beltre home. ... David Ortiz lined a double off the wall in dead center in the fifth.
Daniel Bard allowed a leadoff double to Jason Kendall in the eighth, but pitched out of trouble. After a bunt moved Kendall to third, Bard struck out Mike Aviles (who was primed to swing at anything) and Dustin Pedroia made a great backhanded snag of David DeJesus's hot grounder. Jonathan Papelbon pitched a perfect ninth on 12 pitches.
And Greinke (6-5-1-3-3, 144) once again got the shaft from his mates.
Rays won 8-5, Yankees lost 13-11, Blue Jays won 5-2. ... MFY 4.5, TOR 5.5, BOS 6.5.Zach Greinke / Clay Buchholz
Just like in 2009, the Royals offense has ground to a halt whenever Greinke is on the hill. Here are five of his 10 starts this season:Scutaro, SS
Pedroia, 2B
Ortiz, DH
Martinez, C
Beltre, 3B
Drew, RF
Lowell, 1B
Hermida, LF
Cameron, CF
0405 vs Det - 6 innings, 2 runs allowed - N/DSix earned runs allowed. An ERA of 1.54. And a losing record.
0421 at Tor - 7 innings, 2 runs allowed - N/D
0427 vs Sea - 7 innings, 0 runs allowed - N/D
0502 at Tam - 8 innings, 1 run allowed - Loss
0518 at Bal - 7 innings, 2 runs allowed - N/D
Greinke made 33 starts last season. In 12 of them, his teammates scored 0, 1 or 2 runs, leaving him with a 3-5 record and a 1.47 ERA. In Greinke's nine no-decisions in 2009, he had a 2.35 ERA.
And because I thought of this guy while I was typing all this, here are two quotes:
Wins and losses are how you measure pitchers.Greinke was hit hard in his last start: 8 runs allowed in 3.1 innings against the Rockies.
Joe Morgan, Baseball For Dummies, p. 289
ERA is like a batting average. It's a personal thing. ... [W]ins are better.
Joe Morgan, ESPN chat, June 26, 2007
Greinke faced the Red Sox on April 10 of this year, allowing four runs in 6.1 innings. He has pitched at Fenway Park only once -- 1.2 innings of relief on July 17, 2007.
AL East:
Spiders/Yankees, 1 PM
Orioles/Blue Jays, 1 PM
White Sox/Rays, 7 PM


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WASHINGTON –The State Department Trafficking in Persons report released today is a valuable awareness-raising tool, but stronger laws and prosecution are needed to end sexual slavery and forced labor around the world, leaders of the U.S. Helsinki Commission said.
"Monitoring is critical, but sometimes to protect the most vulnerable we need to be more creative, which is why Senator Boxer and I introduced the Child Protection Compact Act with Senator Brownback," said Senator Benjamin L. Cardin (D-MD), Chairman of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (U.S. Helsinki Commission). "This bill would bring the needed money and targeted approach to child trafficking by allowing the Secretary of State to enter into three-year compacts with countries that are eager but currently unable to combat tracking within their borders."
This year's Trafficking in Persons report release featured Florida hero Laura Germino, coordinator of the Anti-Slavery Campaign for the Coalition of Immokalee Workers. The organization of more than 4,000 migrant farm workers has investigated numerous violent slavery operations in the southeastern United States, resulting in federal prosecutions of the ringleaders and the liberation of more than 1,000 workers.
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In the report's 8th year this is the first time the international heroes selected by the State Department for their work to end modern day-slavery will be brought to Capitol Hill. The heroes who represent the United States, Brazil, Burundi, Hungary, India, Jordan, Mauritania and Mongolia will be honored at the U.S. Capitol Tuesday by Helsinki Commission leaders and Ambassador Luis CdeBaca of the State Department Office to Monitor & Combat Trafficking in Persons. (See bios of all the heroes here.)
Ranking Republican Commissioner Congressman Chris Smith (R-NJ) has introduced legislation that would require U.S. officials to tell foreign governments when a registered child sex offender is headed to their country. "U.S. and some foreign law enforcement agencies are making a sincere effort to track traveling and dangerous child sex offenders now, but too often information is not being shared," Smith said. "This is unsafe and insufficient. We need to systematize communications and ultimately protect all children around the world."
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The Supreme Court of Canada struck down a part of Saskatchewan's hate legislation, but left intact the section that makes it an offence to promote hatred against identifiable groups.
In a unanimous 6-0 decision released last week, the court ruled that a section of the Saskatchewan Human Rights Code that prohibited expression that "ridicules, belittles or otherwise affronts the dignity" of protected groups is invalid. It "does not rise to the level of ardent and extreme feeling constituting hatred required to uphold the constitutionality of a prohibition of expression in human rights legislation," wrote Justice Marshall Rothstein for the court.
The judges ruled, however, that once those words were struck, the remaining section of the code remained valid, even though it infringed the Charter's Section 2 right to freedom of expression. Restricting that right was demonstrably justifiable in a free society as a means of preventing hate speech and protecting minority groups, the Supreme Court ruled.
The decision arose out of a case involving William Whatcott, who was brought before the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission (SHRC) after four complaints alleged he distributed flyers in 2001 and 2002 that promoted hatred against homosexuals.
The SHRC was appealing a 2010 ruling by the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal that overturned a human rights tribunal finding against Whatcott.
The Supreme Court threw out complaints based on two of the flyers, while upholding the other two. He was ordered to pay penalties amounting to $7,500, down from $17,500 ordered by a provincial human rights tribunal.
The court's decision was applauded by Jewish organizations that have long advocated retention of provincial anti-hate laws. (The ruling did not affect the Criminal Code's anti-hate provisions.)
B'nai Brith Canada's League for Human Rights, which was an intervener in the case, said the court "struck the right balance between freedom of speech and hateful speech – the first is to be respected, the latter is to be condemned when it crosses the line."
Canadian Jewish Congress, which also intervened in the case, is now defunct, but its successor organization, the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs (CIJA), also supported the decision.
The Supreme Court "narrowed the definition of actionable speech," said CIJA CEO Shimon Fogel.
"They confirmed that there's speech that leads to vilification and hatred of particular groups, which have to be protected, but they narrowed the definition of what constitutes that speech," Fogel said.
"I think it's an important development. We support the proposition that there are limits to free speech and there is a connection between physical harm directed against a particular community and language used to vilify them," he said.
A very different perspective was offered by Sun News broadcaster Ezra Levant.
"The Supreme Court of Canada has weakened freedom of religion and freedom of speech in favour of the counterfeit human right not to be offended," Levant told The CJN.
"This Supreme Court case is a dangerous step backwards for personal freedom, and it opens the door wider to the political abuse of Canada's erratic human rights commissions. The fact that three of the six judges in the case were Jewish is an extra disappointment for the Jewish and pro-Israel community that has recently been victimized by these censorship laws," Levant said.
"This ruling is like a starter pistol for a dozen more nuisance suits attacking writers like Mark Steyn and me for criticizing radical Islam – a view that could have pro-Israel activists hauled before courts for the crime of 'hate.'"
Levant, former publisher of the defunct Western Standard magazine, was brought before the Alberta Human Rights Commission in 2008 after he published pictures of the Islamic prophet Mohammed. He has been a fierce critic of human rights commissions and the legislation that establishes them.
Referring to the Whatcott case, he said, "This ruling is especially frightening, given that it confirms that traditional legal defences – like truth, fair comment, religious belief and public interest – do not apply to hate speech cases."
In the judgment, the Supreme Court addressed the argument that speech was being restricted, even though no actual harm or discrimination was demonstrable. "Such an approach ignores the particularly insidious nature of hate speech," the court ruled. "The end goal of hate speech is to shift the environment from one where harm against vulnerable groups is not tolerated to one where hate speech has created a place where this is either accepted or a blind eye is turned."
"A court is entitled to use common sense and experience in recognizing that certain activities, hate speech among them, inflict societal harms."
And in rejecting the defence of truthful expression, the court stated, "Not all truthful statements must be free from restriction. Truthful statements can be interlaced with harmful ones or otherwise presented in a manner that would meet the definition of hate speech."
Editorialists at Canada's influential newspapers were critical of the decision, with the National Post calling it "censorship by any other name." The Toronto Star stated that society should impose the fewest restrictions on free speech and that only courts, and not human rights tribunals, should sanction speech issues.
The Globe and Mail said the court had set dangerously vague standards by which to regulate speech and "the marketplace of ideas, not human-rights commissions, should be where bad ideas, even hateful ones (short of those advocating or inciting violence), are beaten back."
Despite supporting the decision, CIJA continued to call for changes to provincial human rights legislation. They should be amended to permit the awarding of costs to successful parties, to deter frivolous actions; the punitive aspect of the legislation should be removed and its educational aspect stressed; evidentiary rules need to change, and provincial attorneys general should consult and create a consistent approach to human rights in Canada, Fogel said.


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Last week with the quince and pear frangipane tartelettes, I mentioned that I was inspired by the traditional "galette des rois", a creamy almond frangipane encased in between two sheets of puff pastry, that we eat to celebrate Epiphany on January 6th. Tradition is to enclosed a little ceramic figurine inside, and once sliced, whoever gets the said trinket becomes queen or king for the day. Nowadays, that little ceramic is looking very designer-ish, far from the days we would use a dry fava bean as prize.
My dad is always the one cutting and the youngest child in the family is always the one under the table calling the name of the next person to get a slice. Now, why under the table? No reason but they really can't cheat and see who is getting the ceramic and it's just more fun! Why my dad? Because he always cheats and gives it either to the patriarch, my grandad, or the guest of honor… and it's just more fun!
Truth be told, we rarely wait for the actual day of Epiphany to start eating the galette in France. Just like Halloween here starts in August, the galette des rois starts being sold right after Christmas day. In my family, we traditionally gather on New Year's day to share a couple with a glass of Champagne to toast in the new year as everybody is still on vacation, available for one last family gathering and still at the ready for a little extra butter and sugar.
I distinctly remember one year that B. and I were still visiting after New Year's…no less than 10 galettes shared within one week. Everybody was trying to have us over one last time before our return to the US and dessert was inevitably the galette. And as the guest of honor B. was always king…not that he seemed to mind! On our last night, my mom made some of my favorites and when dessert came, she exclaimed "Allez, on tire les rois une derniere fois!", "Let's pick the king one last time". I gave her that look of "I love frangipane and puff pastry but if I see one more galette, I think I might be sick". She knew what was coming and before I could speak my mind and she brought out my childhood favorite instead, the Couronne des Rois. A round brioche type cake adorned with candied fruits and pearl sugar to mimic jewelry on a king's crown (yes, similar to the New Orleans king's cake).
Growing up in Provence this is the one we would get first for Epiphany while grandma was waiting for us up North with the frangipane galette. I love both equally. I really do…So this weekend we had the brioche Couronne des Rois for breakfast and the frangipane galette for tea in the afternoon. I did not forget to put my little ceramic inside and cut slices for the two of us and B. was crowned king again…surprise, surprise…I am my father's daughter after all…ehehe…
After making the brioche dough, I divided it in half, formed my two rounds and topped one with the traditional pearl sugar, candied red and green cherries and candied citron and topped the other with homemade candied kumquats and pearl demerara sugar (found by chance at the Whole Foods). Citrus season is here and I can't stop eating kumquats, it's like popping natural vitamins for me. The skin is so thin and the seeds so tiny that you can, have to eat the whole fruit, so yes, for some it is an acquired taste. A contrast of textures and flavors, tart and bitter all at once. Here, I took the time to take most of the seeds out but they usually fall while taking their sugar bath so no worries if you happen to leave some. If you think I am excited over kumquats, wait until I see blood oranges!!
For even more traditional King's cakes and celebrations, check out Zorra's event here.
Brioche des Rois Recipe:
2/3 cup (150ml) whole milk
2 1/4 cups (280g) all purpose flour
1 packet (7gr) dry active yeast
1 egg
1/4 cup (50gr) sugar
1/4 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon orange blossom flower water
5 tablespoons (70g) butter, at room temperature
egg wash: 1 egg+2 tablespoons milk whisked together
1/3 cup apricot or apple jelly
candied fruits, pearl sugar or candied kumquats to decorate
In a saucepan or microwave safe bowl, warm up the milk over low heat or 20 seconds in the microwave until lukewarm (no higher than 110-112F) and stir in the yeast with a wooden spoon to dissolve. Let stand until foamy, about 10 minutes. Whisk in the egg, sugar and salt until just combined. Place the mixture in a stand mixer, with the motor running on low, stir in the flour and orange water. As the flour gets incorporated start adding the butter, one tablespoon at a time. Let the machine run for another 8 minutes to knead. You can do this by hand but the dough is extremely wet and a stand mixer makes it easier to handle.
Place the dough in a lightly oil bowl, cover with plastic wrap and let rise at room temperature, free of drafts for about 30 minutes. At this point, transfer the dough to the refrigerator for an hour. At this point you can leave the dough in the fridge for a day or overnight or proceed with the recipe.
Preheat oven to 350. On a lightly floured surface, knead the dough into a ball (or divide in half and keep one part refrigerated as you work on the first one), stick your thumb in the middle and push it open to form a crown or large donut. You can also form rolls and gather them together in a round. Place the brioche on a parchment lined baking sheet and let rise for 30-40 minutes. To keep the hole open I place an empty jelly jar in the middle that I fill with water so it doesn't crack during baking. Brush with the egg wash and bake 20-25 minutes or until golden brown.
Let cool. In the meantime, heat up the apricot or apple jelly until bubbling hot and brush it on the brioche. Immediately stick the candied fruits and pearl sugar on the brioche.
Candied Kumquats:
1/2 cup (125ml) water
1 cup (100gr) sugar
2 tablespoons (40gr) light corn or glucose syrup
1 pint fresh kumquats, washed, patted dry, and cut in 1/8 inch thin slices
In a heavy saucepan, combine the water, sugar and corn or glucose syrup and bring to a boil over high heat. Let the mixture reach 234F. Add the kumquats, being careful not to overcrowd your pan and let the fruit become translucent, about 8-10 minutes. Remove the fruit with a slotted spoon and place it, separating the slices, on a piece of parchment paper or silpat. Use as desired.
Note: Tartelette travels to Oregon…well no not really…I just wanted to thank Danielle for including my work in The Oregonian's "What we like to read, watch, click on" column today. The more I read about this region the more I want to move! Thank you!