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Good morning I'm Scott Cameron welcome to focus from Illinois Public Media. Illinois has a people problem too many are leaving and they tend to be the people who are earning more money as brain drain has been going on for years especially challenging for many downstate communities who have over the years lost factories or other major employers to Chicago or nearby states in a few minutes to talk about one southern Illinois town that seems to have avoided this fate and later in the hour wrap up our series on mental health with an issue that came up during a recent Twitter chat the evolving language around mental illness. But first what to do about the downstate Illinois brain drain. If you're considering a move out of downstate Illinois if you're a company having trouble hiring here tell us your story eight hundred two two two nine four five five . Producer Lindsey Moon also is on Twitter that's at Focus five eighty and you can e-mail us we'll dash talk at Illinois dot edu Pat McDaniel is a city council member in Decatur. Nearby here we're just a few months ago A.D.M. announced it was moving its corporate headquarters to Chicago after more than four decades in Decatur. Pat McDaniel joins us now by phone.
Welcome to focus. Well good morning Scott. So how did you find out that A.D.M. or at least its global headquarters was leaving
. Well we received an invitation from A.D.M. asking us to come to community leaders and council members to come to a luncheon and to hear about the future of the A.T.M. which is. There had been rumors around for several years with the new C.E.O. that was really the first outside C.E.O. to come into the caterer that you know the corporate headquarters may move up to Chicago and title out who took over bought out eighty eight Bally moved their headquarters about two years ago to Hoffman Estates up near Chicago. You know you kind of listen to him you hope oh I hope it's not true and you kind of have an inkling right .
So we had our luncheon and they embargoed as we were leaving having lunch because they were going to make their announcement to their employees that one and we had to pledge that we would not leave the table and run to the phone and and tell everybody that that they were going to be moving their world corporate headquarters out of Decatur So who's They say you can't leave the table you change from who's at this. Mabel Well we had various community leaders we did have one media person that was there and we had the mayor and several council members and economic development people. So there were just a variety a wide variety of community leaders.
It's just it's quite a juxtaposition of the leaders in the community being told when you stay at the table. Well I restrains moment.
Yeah I understand they wanted to tell their employees first before it got into the music and I can understand that.
True and you said that you said before that in that moment you you reach for a piece of cheesecake you call what you tell them.
Yeah I mean you knew something was up and when they made the announcement my head dropped down it and I haven't finished my you know I had my dessert and little comfort food of the cheesecake.
I mean you didn't know what else to do I mean there wasn't anything you could say and I mean they even did mention after one of the community leaders that now you know there's going to be community leader groups are going to try to see that that you don't move and offer all kinds of incentives and they were point blank and said no you know we we're going to keep our North American headquarters in Decatur. Forty four hundred employees that are employed in Decatur stadium but we are moving our our corporate headquarters World Headquarters elsewhere and at that time they did not say where they were looking at.
So and you've lived in Decatur a long time.
I'm born and raised in and been active in community events and organizations and also you know I was a reporter for the Decatur Tribune for eight and a half years.
So you see and you know this community you know this town the you you love this town of these you've been there a long time. This is you've seen other towns sort of run through this similar type situation. You know what this must a been hard for you to hear.
Well it was matter of fact that was a pretty bad week for Decatur. You know that the announcement was that A.D.M. was at the beginning of the week and then on the Friday of that same week which was even to a certain extent a little worse is that Caterpillar announced they were laying off a number of their white collar workers at the local chapter. Caterpillar plant here Rich. Although they've never said how many I've heard kind of out of one hundred fifty people white collar so that kind of almost hurt is more because most of those people live in Decatur where you know A.D.M. was only going to move about fifty of their key people up to their new corporate headquarters in and not all of those people lived indicator that was a double whammy week on on Decatur. But we're a very resilient community we've had our ups and downs like many other communities and we just say OK this is the issue now we move on and see where we can progress from there to progress well again one of the key factors that A.D.M. has been building if you've been hearing about the inland port is utilizing the three world class or country class railroads that come into Decatur and utilize them and they build an inland port not only for their own shipping needs but now it's open for any variety of shippers and companies throughout the Midwest. You know we're looking at where within. In a one hundred million people within you know about ten hours of Decatur which is great. So again this is a real game changer for Decatur. The opportunity to be utilized by many companies. We're hoping some distribution companies will be set up here in to take advantage of that to facilitate and bring some new jobs. So we're doing that so that's a key element.
We're also making sure that our infrastructure our basic infrastructure is being improved and built because if you're going to keep your present industry in the city you have to make sure your basic infrastructure is in in good shape and other companies looking at your community have to make sure that you're going to have the infrastructure to meet their needs and try to attract new talent companies things like that in the town right.
Michael Lucci is director of jobs and growth for the Illinois Policy Institute a research group that focuses on free market ideas. He's been analyzing a lot of the data on people and companies leaving Illinois in downstate Illinois in particular. Michael joins us now on the phone Michael nice to talk.
It's nice to talk to you too.
So you've heard McDaniel are talking about the situation in Decatur we've seen similar stories play out across Illinois. How common is dictators experience there in terms of a decline in business and population and as he was talking about before high earners specifically the cator situation is actually quite normal in Illinois.
Most of the industrial counties of Illinois have lost population and lost income to other parts of Illinois and more importantly to other states in the country so they cater and had a net loss of people on income . Both the Cook County but also to the rest of America. What's important to us in this discussion is that Illinois it still is losing a lot of people to other states in the country. We lose people to almost every state on net. And what I mean by that is when you take the number of people who move from say Illinois to Indiana and you find a difference with people move from Indiana Illinois Illinois is losing that net exchange every year for the past twenty years. So what we want to look at is ways to make the state of Illinois more competitive more attractive to businesses such as A.D.M. which is been Illinois for a long time but also small businesses large businesses that want to grow here. We want them to feel that this is a place that will foster their growth.
Looking at the towns as people do start to sail away from some of these places. How does that kind of loss of people and then that that income affects the town.
It it's devastating for those kind of towns and I have to say I can sympathize specifically with the Cater I'm originally from a place called Youngstown Ohio which is known as America's fastest shrinking city. We peaked out in the sixty's and seventy's and have been declining since it was at the Firestone plant that Youngstown was a steel city.
OK are still with us.
But these cities are faced with a number of problems one of the problems that popping up in the last ten years is their pension problems. These municipalities have promises to pay pensions to city workers and teachers and they're losing population they're losing tax payers to fund those things. So the problem is building upon itself as more financial obligations are coming due.
The people we need to pay those obligations are leaving they're leaving for other parts of Illinois and they're leaving for other states in the country and that's another point here that the Midwest in general Illinois in particular has trouble holding onto college graduates and some of these you know high paying skilled fields technology comes to mind health care things like that. How does that play into this.
Sure. We we lose a lot of highly skilled workers and that's referenced in the income of those workers every single year. We've lost more people than we've gained in every single year. The average income of someone who leaves has been higher than the average income of the people who come in . The average This difference is nearly ten thousand dollars a year. So these net losses really compound the state has lost a total of forty billion dollars of annual income and that that is income that would be taxed at the state local level which for Illinois on the whole is about ten percent. So that's about four billion dollars of state revenue that we lose every week every single year.
And if you're losing some of the younger more skilled higher paid and some case workers do we see then of the people who are staying maybe older may use more health type resources may rely more on the pension benefits and things like that so you have this if you're not able. So some of those needs later on.
Yes we see a lot of tech workers moving to California which on the whole is not the most business friendly environment but they still have a lot of good things happening in pillock on value that it attracts a lot of tech workers. University of Illinois is one of them has a great tech and engineering program graduate programs and they lose about eighty percent of their graduates to other state a lot of that goes to Silicon Valley. But we're also seeing the state that's really attracting a lot of our talent right now is Texas in the most recent year virus data. Texas put more people than any other state in the country and Florida and Indiana were other states that really poured a lot of Illinois talent. Why why those states Texas specifically and Florida also are zero income tax which really promotes jobs growth and if we look at somewhere like the Cater if we look at if we look at other cities like Peoria that have very high jobless rates Rochefort these cities all have double digit jobless rate. So people have to go where there is opportunity and there is tremendous opportunity in Texas. They've been growing up . They've been growing jobs every month. The great recession which hit Illinois very hard with almost little more than a blip in Texas. They they continue growing jobs as soon as the recession ended they started growing more and more jobs. And I hear every week from people who used to live in Illinois and have since moved their business to Texas or just move their family to Texas because it's easier to do business there. They're taxed much more lightly and they're regulated much more lightly there.
When Archer Daniels Midland told Decatur city officials that it would be moving its global headquarters to Chicago, city councilman Pat McDaniel said the news hurt, but that it wasn't surprising. "Young people don't want to locate in Decatur anymore, at least we're starting to see more and more people want to move to places like Chicago."
And according to IRS and US Census data, McDaniel might be right. People are moving, around Illinois and out of the state all together. For at least the last fifteen years, more people have moved out of Illinois than have moved in. In order to keep businesses and communities thriving, Michael Lucci of the Illinois Policy Institute says that trend has to stop. It's costing the state lots of money in tax revenue. In addition, Lucci says it's a specific demographic that appears to be moving out.
"It's earners that are making above the average household income who have college degrees that are leaving," he says, "with an aging tax base and business climate where attracting big corporations to locate in a particular space is highly competitive, something has to be done."
City leaders like Pat McDaniel agree. The question is – how?
Kathy Lively has some suggestions. After the shutdown of the Maytag plant that employed nearly 1,000 people in Herrin, Illinois, city residents rallied together to ensure those workers found new jobs and stayed in town.
During this Focus interview, Scott Cameron talks with Pat McDaniel about what it means to Decatur that ADM is moving its global headquarters and some of its employees. Then we'll hear from Michael Lucci and Kathy Lively from Mantracon, a company that helped the city of Herrin take care of its laid-off workers when Maytag left in 2006.


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A Star At U.S. Open, NFL Opens, Paralympics To Close
As summer heads for fall: Serena Williams is poised to win again; football opens in earnest; and the real Olympic spirit is still on display. Host Scott Simon talks with NPR's Tom Goldman.
This is WEEKEND EDITION from NPR News. I'm Scott Simon. Time for sports.
SIMON: (Singing) Ah, to remember the kind of September.... The seasons are flipping, and so Serena's poised to win again, not just today. NFL season opens in earnest, and the real Olympic spirit still lives on in London. NPR's Tom Goldman joins us.
Morning, Tom.
TOM GOLDMAN, BYLINE: Seasons are flipping, I fear you are too.
SIMON: Tom, I'll make the jokes here, please.
GOLDMAN: Thank you.
SIMON: We have a couple of hard news stories to get right into this morning. There's two men's semi-final matches and the woman's final still to go at the U.S. Open, but play's being delayed because of the weather. This being noted, is Serena Williams just in another dimension than any other player at this point?
GOLDMAN: Yeah, and she's going to have to be in another dimension tomorrow because the finals has been postponed because of the weather to Sunday. You know, yes, another dimension. Consider what Sara Errani said. She's the player Williams stumped in the semifinals in a little over an hour. Errani suggested maybe it's time for Serena Williams to try the men's draw, at least at lower levels. Since losing in the first round of the French Open in May, Williams is 25-1. She has won Wimbledon, an Olympic gold.
She plays the number one seed Victoria Azarenka in the final. Williams holds a 9-1 record in matches versus Azarenka; a really good chance for a tenth win tonight.
SIMON: And the other breaking story this morning is that Stephen Strasburg's season is over. The Washington Nationals' star, who helped pitch them to a multi-game lead of the National League East is going to be set down for the rest of the year, including the playoffs. It's his first season back after elbow surgery; what they call Tommy John surgery. And Davey Johnson, the manager, indicated that that was the day-to-day speculation alone that was causing some - on top of everything else - that was causing wear on Stephen Strasburg.
GOLDMAN: Yeah, and this follows a horrible outing by Strasburg last night, in which the Nats lost. Yeah, it wasn't the elbow. It was all the talk about the shutdown that was getting him down. He felt that he was letting his team down by not being available during the post-season, in this breakout season for the Nats. So, yes, manager Davey Johnson said let's just shut it down now.
SIMON: I want to contrast this with how Atlanta has treated Kris Medlen recovering from the same surgery. They brought him along in the bullpen. They didn't use him as a starter until July 31st. He's now the hottest pitcher in baseball. He hasn't given up a hit in five games. If Atlanta wins that wildcard spot in the National League East, Kris Medlen is going to be in the playoffs. Was that, with the advantage of hindsight, a wiser way of handling the pitcher coming back from this surgery?
GOLDMAN: Well, yes. You mentioned the ifs. If Atlanta gets to the post-season, if Atlanta wins the World Series and Medlen contributes, yes, it was a good way, the better way perhaps. If that doesn't happen, and if Washington wins the World Series without Strasburg, and Strasburg leads the Nats to multiple World Series over the next five to ten years, then no. The Nats were, you know, took the better path. We have to see how this plays out. Obviously, there is anger in Washington for shutting Strasburg down. Win now is the cry. But there are also lots of case studies of guys who pitched too much too soon after surgery and never were the same as they were before the injury. Do you risk blowing up Stephen Strasburg's career because of that need to win now? Fascinating dilemma.
SIMON: Yeah. Well, you mentioned the need to win now. I mean, the way baseball franchises trade and interact and the way - the New York Yankees aren't in the playoffs every year - this could be the Nationals one chance.
GOLDMAN: It could be. But I think their general manager is banking on the fact that this guy is a phenom, he's still in his early 20s. If you tend to him properly, he's going to give you more chances in the future.
SIMON: Payton Manning in a Denver Broncos' uniform. Is that enough to put them into the Super Bowl? Well, he's got to have some people to throw the ball to; to quote, you know, Gisele Bundchen, "quarterbacks can't throw and catch at the same time." But do you see Denver winding up there?
GOLDMAN: Still strange to see him in an orange jersey, that's for sure. You know, huge spotlight on Payton Manning, and the consensus is that he's still got magic left in that right arm, and in his head; a great strategist, of course, and there's talk even that he could lead the Broncos to the Super Bowl.
SIMON: Finally, Tom, the Olympic season ends tomorrow with the close of the Paralympics Games in London. However, not a lot of us living here in the United States may know that.
GOLDMAN: Yeah, because Americans will have gotten about five and a half hours of highlight shows. No live broadcast of events by the time this thing ends. Compare that to the host country, Great Britain, which will end up showing a reported 500 hours on several platforms. Obviously, our TV networks don't think viewers would be that interested. But consider how coverage done the right way might change that interest level. And here's an excerpt from the magazine City Journal.
(Reading) The Paralympics are an invitation to watch, ask and learn. As people have asked questions, the press and the athletes have obliged with answers. How is it that a person who can't walk can control a horse? How can a person propel herself in a pool using only her legs? With knowledge and familiarity come respect and admiration. Viewers watching women's swimmers on TV in a London bar last Thursday were marveling not at a freak show but at physical prowess.
SIMON: NPR's Tom Goldman. Thanks so much.
GOLDMAN: You're welcome.
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It's ALL THINGS CONSIDERED from NPR West. I'm Arun Rath. It has been a grim Easter Sunday for relatives of passengers who were on the ferry that capsized off the coast of South Korea on Wednesday. The death toll from that disaster is now over 50, with about 240 people still missing, most of them high school students. Today, divers started retrieving bodies from inside the vessel.
NPR's Anthony Kuhn is covering the story in Seoul and joins us now. Anthony, it took divers about four days before they could get in the ship and recover bodies. How is the recovery effort going now?
ANTHONY KUHN, BYLINE: Well, you remember that for the past few days they had been hampered by bad weather and rough seas and they were just not able to get in at all. They finally got into the ship and they've recovered some bodies inside it and they got some that were floating outside. That means that the body count is now likely to rise sharply. And after this many days the chance of finding survivors is pretty slim.
RATH: And aside from that, the big news of the day, I guess, is that South Korean officials released a recorded conversation that really detailed the moments before the ship went down. Did we learn anything from that?
KUHN: There were a few things in there. There was a half-hour of conversations recorded between the ferry crew and the maritime traffic controllers onshore. The controllers twice urged the crew of the ferry to get passengers into their life vests and prepare to abandon ship. The crew said, we cannot do that because the ship is tilted too far, also because the broadcast system is down.
Also reports came out saying that the ferry operator underreported the number of passengers, cars and cargo that were aboard the ferry, although we don't know for sure yet that that was related to the capsizing of the ship.
RATH: It seems like some of the passengers' family members are pretty unhappy with the government's response to the disaster. They tried to march on the president's palace. What happened with that?
KUHN: Well, these unhappy family members did not get far. They were going to go all the way to the Blue House, which is the presidential palace in Seoul and they didn't even make it out of the town where the harbor is. You know, it may seem odd that transportation-related disasters can actually put people in the streets protesting against government, but we've seen it. Interestingly, it happened with the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.
These Koreans protesting against their own government's performance tells us something about the relationship between the people and the government and what channels are open to them to protest.
RATH: Now, you visited the town where the high school , where most of the students that were on the ferry came from. How is that community holding up?
KUHN: Well, this is Ansan. It's a satellite city south of Seoul, and I went there today. The government has declared the area a disaster zone. This high school where the kids came from, almost an entire class was wiped out. Clearly, the impact of the disaster is widely felt in that area.
RATH: It's just dreadful. That's NPR's Anthony Kuhn in Seoul. Anthony, thank you.
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As Sikhism spread far and wide in the past century, it has been no stranger to discrimination and violence.
Authorities have yet to determine a motive for Sunday's shooting in the Milwaukee suburb of Oak Creek, in which an assailant entered a Sikh temple, known as a gurudwara, and gunned down six congregants and wounded three others before himself being killed by police. But many Sikh men keep their unshorn hair tightly wrapped by a turban, which gives them a distinct and recognizable appearance. As a result, increasingly since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Sikhs have been mistakenly identified – and occasionally targeted – as Muslims.
The New York-based Sikh Coalition was formed in the wake of such incidents, including one that occurred just days after the 2001 terrorist attacks in which the Sikh owner of a gas station in Mesa, Ariz., was shot and killed, reportedly because the assailant thought he was Muslim.
"It is important to note that this is only one of a growing number of incidents of violence that Sikhs have experienced in recent years," Sapreet Kaur, executive director of the New York-based Sikh Coalition, said in a statement Monday, even as she said the organization was continuing "to be cautious about rushing to judgment."
"As we continue to struggle with what happened and support victims and their families, we hope America will be as outraged as we are and urge leaders to take steps to do more to prevent these crimes, promote tolerance and protect the rights of all people," Kaur said.
The coalition says that since 2001, it has received more than 700 requests for legal assistance from Sikhs asking for help with such cases as hate crimes, employment discrimination and school bullying.
The Roots Of Sikhism
Sikhism is a monotheistic religion founded in India's northwestern Punjab region in the 15th century. It is based on the teachings of 10 gurus who lived between 1469 and 1708. The last living guru, Gobind Singh, mandated that baptized Sikhs keep five articles of the faith, including uncut hair, a small wooden comb, a metal bracelet, a special undergarment and a sword or dagger. Once baptized, Sikhs carry the same surname, Singh (meaning "lion"), originally as a sign of their equality in caste-bound India.
There are approximately 27 million Sikh adherents worldwide, including an estimated 300,000 in the United States and about 500,000 in Canada, says author Inderjit Singh, a professor emeritus at New York University and the author of several books on Sikhism. Migrant Sikhs have landed on the shores of Singapore, Malaysia, Africa, the United Kingdom, Canada and the U.S.
Throughout their history, Sikhs have frequently been forced to defend their faith against attacks, but despite their minority status even in India, where they represent less than 2 percent of the population, they have always maintained an outsized influence for their numbers.
"The current prime minister of India is a Sikh, the army chief is a Sikh, the head of the planning commission is a Sikh — so for a small minority, that's saying quite a lot," says S. Ravinder Singh Taneja, a contributing writer for the The Sikh Review.
Taneja says Sikhs have left Punjab in waves beginning about a century ago, but the exodus picked up steam when British India gained independence in 1947 and was split into India and Pakistan, an event that cleaved the region of Punjab in two and led to one of the largest and bloodiest transmigrations in human history.
In the U.S., there was a wave of migration in the 1960s, one in the mid-1980s, after an unsuccessful bid for Sikh independence and the assassination of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi by her Sikh bodyguards, and yet another in the 1990s.
"Sikhs have this wanderlust about them," Taneja says. "They do like to try out new places."
Living As A 'Cut Sikh'
But they haven't always chosen to be so visible. Taneja says after arriving in the U.S. in the 1970s, he decided to cut his hair and shave, become what some call a "cut Sikh," and lived that way for 20 years.
"In 1996, I went back to wearing the unshorn look," he says. It was, he says, a journey back into his religion.
Inderjit Singh, the professor and author, says perhaps half of all Sikhs in the U.S. have chosen to cut their hair, while the other half have kept the tradition – a distinction he prefers to call "recognizable and non-recognizable Sikhs."
Singh has always remained "recognizable." He arrived in the U.S. in the 1960s on a Guggenheim fellowship, when there were "very, very few" Sikhs at American universities and his appearance was more a curiosity than anything else.
But Inderjit Singh, who lives on Long Island but works in Manhattan, says he has had some interesting encounters.
In one instance, which occurred after 2001, a man he met near Penn Station struck up a conversation with him.
"He knew a little bit about Sikhs, so we were talking and I told him Sikhs have been here in this country for around 100 years," he recalls. "After a while, he asks, 'When you people came here a 100 years ago, tell me, why didn't they leave their religion back home?' I said, 'Your people came here maybe 200 years ago; tell me, why did they not leave their religion back home?' He was thoughtfully silent for a moment and then said, 'You know, you have a point. Let's go have a cup of coffee.'"
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9:22 PMOne of the attributes that I wish I was a little more blessed with are my eyelashes. I know a lot of you feel the same way. Maybe your mascara just doesn't get the volume you want, or maybe you curl and curl and you still feel like your lashes are invisible. If you have wimpy, short, sparse, thin lashes, or even if you just want your eyes to really stand out, there is an alternative to just mascara: false lashes.
I know falsies can seem very intimidating at first but when done properly, it can actually take less time than applying mascara. Plus, it is something that has a lot of instant gratification because it can make such a big difference.
Just as an overview of false lashes, they come in many styles and lengths. My personal favorites are Asian-brand lashes like Shisem or Echo. They often look more natural because they are shorter to accommodate the sparse lashes that many Asians have. They also come in real hair or synthetic hairs, and prices vary from a couple dollars to really fancy designer Shu Uemura lashes up to $100 per pair. I personally believe you can get great results from cheap lashes at $2-5 per pair. If you take good care of your lashes (cleaning, removing previous glue, repositioning the curve of the band, etc), you can wear them basically until it starts falling apart or losing its shape. I chuck mine after an average of 5 uses.
Just to show you a few varieties, here is my collection of falsies.
I put a heart next to my two favorite pairs. The right one is my newest, style XOG특 (a bit thicker than regular XOG) from Shisem. They are criss-cross style with thicker lash groupings and are one of the shortest I have, making them great for "ordinary day" use.
The lashes on the left are really lush and long, which pairs nicely with a dark smokey eye for photoshoots. I used them for this previous look. The brand is Smashbox and I'm not sure of the style # but it has nicer fibers than drugstore lashes and the band is clear which makes it more seamless on your lid.
You can try many different kinds for different looks but I find criss-cross lashes to usually look good. For first timers, I recommend looking for shorter lashes as you want to get used to how it looks with your face first.
Another important thing to know about is false eyelash glue. Many lashes come with glue but I have MUCH MORE success using glue bought separately. I personally have two kinds, and I prefer the dark-colored LashGrip adhesive. It dries dark and blends in with your eyeliner. White glues must be colored over with eyeliner.
One thing to note is that lash glue isn't crazy sticky. Don't worry though, it will stick! I always hear people saying to wait a while until it gets tacky and honestly that doesn't work for me. I wait maybe 5 seconds and just go for it while it is still wet. :D
Now, on with the tutorial!
Ok, so the first step you need to do is curl your natural lashes. This will help to keep the falsies in place and blend with your natural lashes.
Next you want to measure the length of the false lashes compared to your eye. Many are too long for me so I place the glueless lash on my lashline and see how much I want to cut off. I know it's a blurry picture but you can see at the end where it would look nicer a bit shorter.
Take some small scissors and cut the amount you want off from the outer edge. Many lashes taper in length and you want to keep the short, inner lashes because it looks more natural. Notice I am cutting right outside of a large grouping. This is to help hide the band at the end.
Next, apply the glue in a thin line on the band of the lashes. I try to make sure it is covering the outer and bottom edges because that is what will hit your lid and stick.
Since de-sticking usually happens at either corner, I add a little extra glue there to make sure it will stick well. I wait 5 or 10 seconds, then apply while the glue is still wet.
Here comes the hard part! Take the lashes and apply them as close as possible to your lash line. You can either apply the lashes to your lid (which is what I prefer) or you can glue on top of your lashes as long as it is very close to the roots. I place one corner first, holding it down for a few seconds, then do the same for the other corner and middle. Try to adjust while the glue is still wet because it dries quickly. If you mess up, don't give up! Just try again. It takes practice and is much easier the more you try.
Successful attachment! By the way, these are lashes from the 2nd row, 1st column. Now, you can stop here but these are looking a little sparse for my taste so I will go to the optional next step...
Mascara! I don't use mascara with all my falsies (more to clean, yuck) but it is great for blending in your real lashes with the false ones and gives a nice boost and final touch.
Here's the final look, a photo with a toothy smile because you asked for it. ;)
Hope that clears up the mystery of falsies for a lot of you. Leave me a comment if you have any other questions!
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- AnonymousFebruary 7, 2009 at 1:24 AM
great post! where do you buy the falsies? i've been looking for a store in the US where i can buy shisem or darkness falsies but haven't found one yet :(
thanks! - AnonymousFebruary 7, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Great tutorial! I rememeber the first day of falsies...I didn't know I was supposed to push the lashes up right when they're drying so they were like all pointing down and in front of my eye ! I use dark glue too. Work better for me :)
ReplyDelete - AnonymousFebruary 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM
Hey, where can I buy this line of shisem lashes? I can't find them online like I can when I'm looking for korean beauty products.
Also, where did you get that white hat you are wearing in your post back in january? Kimmy: Yes, it's very important to have the lashes where you want them when they dry! Pushing up for the 10 seconds or however long it takes to dry helps keep it in place. :)
Anonymous 2: I bought mine locally so I'm not sure. I know http://xppinkxdrugz.blogspot.com/ has a couple but most are sold out.
I bought the white hat from Forever 21. :)- AnonymousFebruary 7, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I know a site where you can get some asian make up products. I haven't bought anything from there before but it looks pretty legit.
It's: LunaBeauty.com Ahh, I can only apply falsies while the glue is still wet, too! If I wait until it's tacky, it doesn't stick. I thought I was the only person like this, haha.
ReplyDelete- AnonymousFebruary 8, 2009 at 1:31 AM
Sasa.com has a broad assortment of korean and japanese falsies.
and Jen you have a lovely smile! - AnonymousFebruary 8, 2009 at 10:35 AM
can you do more tutorials for single eye-lids? I noticed you had one and thought it was great!
thanks!! Thanks for the tutorial!
I've been so bad at putting false eyelashes >.>
sometimes it pokes the inner corners of my eyes =\ and i have a paranoia of them falling off in public LOL
I never knew dark eyelash glue was good to use. I remember reading another false eyelash tutorial and they actually said not to use dark eyelash glue O_o.. but i guess that's preference right?- AnonymousFebruary 8, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Nice tutorial! However, I was looking more for some instructions on how to trim the lashes. The false lashes I got are way too long for me; when I put them on, it looks awkward and unnatural. I tried to trim them, but it ended up looking really really awful. Could you give a few tips on how to trim the lashes?
- l3oosh - AnonymousFebruary 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Hi Jen, can you please do more tutorials on single eyelid makeup?? I'm sure most of us asian readers have single eyelids.. at least I do.. and we could use some help on applying eye shadows >.< I have seen your tutorials at soompi and they are great! But please can you do another? Thank you so much! ^^
ReplyDelete I only started trying to use false eyelashes recently. I have a silly question. Do you put them on before or after you do your eye makeup?
ReplyDeleteHey Jen, I was wondering if you can do a post with all the NYX makeup that you have, and possibly swatches for them? I'm interested in getting some, and I think you have more than just the ones you got for your birthday haul? Thanks!
ReplyDeleteHi Jen,
I got to know your lovely and info-rich-on-make-up blog by accident. You would know why if you read my previous comment to an anonymous.
What's the brand of the eyelid tape that you are using? I always use eyelid tape to hold up my crease when I put on falsies as my natural creaseline isn't too high which tends to hide the falsies. Mine is running out and I can't seem to find them anywhere in my country.
Oh btw, the trick to cover up the appearance of the white glue would be to paint a line of glue on the back of your hand and rub the stem of the falsies onto the glue. This ensures that the glue fully lines the stem w/o it overflowing resulting in visible glue line.
I find painting on the stem itself very difficult and I would often end up with more glue than ever. =DAnonymous 6 and Ali: I've been thinking about doing "single-lid saturdays." I'll do a single lid look once in a while that way. Would that be helpful? :)
Tiffany: Hmm, why did someone not like them? I've tried both and I like dark better, personally!
bethyb00sh: I try to just buy shorter lashes in the first place but if you find some are too long, take cuticle scissors and cut them perpendicular to the band so you are cutting down the hair toward the band. This will help keep from having blunt edges on the hairs. Good luck!
Than: I apply them after makeup. As you can see in this tutorial, my eye makeup is already in place.
Chiu: I will do a video on my makeup collection when my husband gets time to record me. :)
Jo: I use Eyecharm brand tapes. I am going to sell a few on here soon if you need any. I bought a few extra from the local beauty store. Let me know!Thank you Jen for the tutorial. I have just started trying falsie once or twice. I know there is a website to buy cheap falsies at http://www.madamemadeline.com/ (I learned about it from Glamour.com if I remember correctly). I have bought some from them and I think the quality is fine. They have a large selection of falsies and tools also.
ReplyDeleteDark eye lash glue is the only way to go. Every time I see girls w/the clear ones and they didn't put liner or shadow over it, it looks horrible.
I also put them on when the glue is wet. That way it's easier to position them where you want them, esp when placing on the 2nd eye.
Do you curl the false lash after they're already on w/a lash curler? I've seen ppl do that a ton. I personally don't like the result or understand why ppl do it since the false lashes are already curled.- ElaineJune 5, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Hi Jen, I live in Houston,TX and I dont know where to find a Korean video/beauty store. Does any one out there know? please let me know. Thanks. Elaine.
ReplyDelete - AnonymousJune 8, 2010 at 9:55 PM
Where do you buy your double eye lid tape (The one that you are wearing)Can you give me the website link please?
ReplyDelete Awesome tutorial! I struggled for a while to find a eyelash glue that would hold the lashes firmly in place.. I use the ardell ones now and they seem pretty good. If you are stuggling with the lash glue there are quite a few good ones to choose from on this site: www.falseeyelashglue.com
Emma xHi Jen! I was wondering what is the local korean beauty store called? the one where you got the shisem lashes? I would love to get them as a gift for a friend of mine.
Thanks!!thanks for the tutorial.. i managed to find the falsies in my korean neighborhood.. im super excited! thanks.
ReplyDelete- AnonymousOctober 23, 2010 at 3:49 AM
I think this is a good False Eyelash Glue the other brands tends to be too gloopy! xxx
ReplyDelete To apply adhesive to lashes what kind of adhesive type did you choose Instant adhesive or any other? If it is sticks in your eyes how you can remove it?
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing this post with us...great creativity...cyanoacrylate


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Students Describe Bloody Scene at Texas College
CYPRESS, Texas - A 20-year-old student who told police he had fantasized for years about stabbing people to death went on a rampage with a knife at a suburban Houston community college, hurting more than a dozen people, authorities said.
The Harris County Sheriff's Office said that about 11:20 a.m. Tuesday, Dylan Quick began a building-to-building rampage with a razor-like knife at the Lone Star Community College System in Cypress. He wounded at least 14 people.
Neighbors said he was a shy young man who would say hello when he took out the trash and helped his parents tend the yard, though he rarely came out alone.
"I can't imagine what would have happened to that young man to make him do something like this. He is very normal," said Magdalena Lopez, 48, who has lived across the street from the Quick family for 15 years.
The Quicks were friendly and fit in well with the other families on the block of brick, ranch-style homes. Most were aware that Quick is deaf. A street sign, "Deaf Child In Area," was posted on the block to warn drivers.
"I can't believe he would do it," Lopez added.
But hours after the stabbing attack, Quick was charged with three counts of aggravated assault, and the statement from the sheriff's office said pieces of the blade used in the attack were found in at least one victim and at the scene of the attack. A knife handle was found in a backpack Quick was carrying when he was arrested. Authorities were seen leaving Quick's parents' home with two brown paper bags.
No one answered the door or the phone at the red brick home, though two vehicles were parked in the driveway, one of them a Honda Accord with a license plate that read "DYLAN." It was not immediately known if Quick has an attorney.
The attack began before noon on a sunny spring day, interrupting the careless chatter of Diante Cotton and his friends, who were sitting in the cafeteria when a girl clutching her neck walked in, yelling.
"He's stabbing people, he's stabbing people," Cotton said the girl shouted, his first indication that something was amiss on the normally tranquil campus.
Walking outside, Cotton and his friends saw another half-dozen people with injuries to their faces and necks. Some were being loaded into ambulances. The most critically injured were evacuated in medical helicopters.
"I turned around, and there was just blood - just blood dripping down the stairs, all over the floor, all over everyone's towels, on their necks, just a lot of blood," Melody Vinton told KHOU-TV.
The attacker ran past Vinton, she said, as she was leaving her chemistry class. He was stabbing people, she said, one after another, always aiming for the neck or face.
"There's no humanity in that. Just to see another human being do that was more traumatic than anything," Vinton said.
Vinton and other students in the science building rushed to help the victims until emergency crews arrived.
Michelle Alvarez tried to back away when she saw Quick running toward students. She didn't even feel it as he swiped her.
"He came running and swinging at my neck, as I tried to get out of the way," she told the Houston Chronicle.
It remains unclear how long the attack lasted, but Lone Star college officials said they locked down the campus shortly after 11:30 a.m. Students described phones going off informing them of the lockdown. Some stayed in class until they were dismissed. Others went out to the hallways, where they were evacuated to their cars.
Of the 14 people hurt in the attack, five remained in a hospital in good condition Wednesday, including two previously listed as critical, according to Kathryn Klein, a spokeswoman at the Memorial Hermann Texas Trauma Institute.
The sheriff's office said Quick told them he had fantasized about stabbing people to death since elementary school and had planned the attack for some time.
But Michael Lincoln, who lives next door, said Quick had never been aggressive, making the accusations even more shocking.
"If he's outside, he speaks to me, `Hey neighbor, how you doing?'" Lincoln said.
Elva Garcia, 46, who lives two houses down from the Quicks, described him as a nice young man who stayed out of trouble and only came outside with his parents. She saw him, she said, just this past weekend, working with his parents in the front yard.
"We can't even believe it. What motive would he have?" Garcia said.
The attack came three months after a different Lone Star campus was the site of a shooting in which two people were hurt. The suspected gunman in that incident is charged with aggravated assault.
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A haplotype cluster centered on a presumed founder who lived g generations ago will invariably include a set of Y chromosomes that do not form a clade.
Whereas a clade includes all the descendants of a single founder, a haplotype cluster will invariably include many men who are g generations away from the founder, whether they are his descendants or not.
Why are Y-STRs qualitatively different from UEPs? While a UEP at the founder defines a watershed moment, separating the founder's descendants (who possess the UEP derived state) from his other relatives (who do not), Y-STRs do not define such a moment: node "m", a cousin of the founder, will possess a haplotype that is 4-generations removed from the "founder", just as node "Q" who is a great great grandson. By looking at haplotypes it is impossible to distinguish between the two.
There is a practical reason why the distinction between haplotype clusters and clades is important, and this has to do with ancient DNA.
Suppose that a very old archaeological sample (of age A years) is Y-STR tested and reveals an R1b-like haplotype. Can we make the inference that this was a member of the R1b clade? No, since many (non-descendant) patrilineal relatives of the R1b founder would have similar haplotypes.
Are we justified in claiming that the founder of haplogroup R1b was earlier than A years? The answer is again no, as haplotypes similar to current R1b ones existed before R1b was founded.
How is this compatible with the known fact that haplogroups can be predicted from sufficiently long Y-STR haplotypes?
First, such predictions don't rely only on the Y-STR haplotypes, but also on large number of haplotypes with known UEP results. Haplogroup prediction relies on UEPs and can't be made independent of UEPs.
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Quebec's incoming premier, Pauline Marois, promised late in her campaign that she would shut down the region's asbestos mines for good. She says that she will use money that would have gone to restart the mines to diversify the local economy.
As Dan Karpenchuk reports for NPR's Newscast unit:
"Canadian industry minister Christian Paradis made the announcement in the town of Thetford Mines, in the heart of Quebec's asbestos belt. He blamed the incoming separatist government in Quebec for promising to cancel a $58 million loan that would have reopened Canada's last major asbestos mine.""Paradis says it means hundreds of workers will remain without jobs. But he says it would no longer make sense for Ottawa to support the asbestos industry when Quebec, the only province that produces it, will prohibit its exploitation."
The CBC reports that in 2010, "Canada was producing 150,000 tonnes of asbestos annually, all of it in Quebec, and exporting 90 percent — worth about $90 million — to developing countries."
Canada has long been criticized for its stance on asbestos. Prime Minister Stephen Harper and others have been steadfast in their support of the industry, resisting efforts to include asbestos in the U.N. Rotterdam Convention, a treaty that lists chrysotile and other forms of the material as hazardous.
Writing in The Toronto Star, columnist David Olive says, "Canada's hypocrisy on asbestos has long been malodorous. Like almost all advanced countries, Canada has banned most domestic uses of asbestos, whose fire-retardant properties are greatly outweighed by its carcinogenic ones. Harper has been spending millions of dollars to remove the last traces of asbestos in the Parliament Buildings and his official residence at 24 Sussex Drive."
Back in 2010, NPR's Brenda Wilson summed up the broader dispute over asbestos:
"On one side is the World Health Organization contending that all types cause cancer and that its continued use, primarily in countries like China, India, Brazil, Mexico, and other places will only prolong the epidemic of cancers related to its use. The cancers can take up to 30 to 40 years to develop."
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Canada's asbestos industry has been in a recent decline — earlier this year, the Chrysotile Institute, a powerful industry lobbying group, closed after it stopped receiving government support.
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Monday, February 15, 2010
Cars 2 Gets A Toon Up...
It appears that WDAS isn't the only studio with story troubles...
Now, before I begin I want to remind you that all films have bumps in the road on their way to the screen. The storied history "Ratatouille" being the one that comes closest to mind. But believe it or not, many Pixar films had problems in their development and some right up until the final year of production (Toy Story 2 anyone?). So with that mentioned, on we go.
If you were to wonder the halls of the Hat Building right now you'd find something unusual. Something that hasn't happened in a good while. I'd say almost a couple of years. Each week you could usually find John Lasseter walking the halls at least once, more likely twice a week as he hurried from meeting to meeting before he headed off to Glendale or some other meeting. But the last month or so he's not been seen that much. And he won't be for another month or so. See, he's been stuck up in Emeryville working on "Cars 2" so that it's ready for release next year. There have been story problems that have developed late last year and into the new year that needed to be addressed. So as of now, John is riding the film as co-director. Now, will he be listed in the credits as that when the film comes out? Not yet determined if he'll get his name up there with that label. We will see as time starts to move closer to the release date.
This doesn't mean doom and gloom for those that look for signs of the Apocalypse. It means that this film, like many before it, needed John's attention and this is a film that is still almost a year and a half out. Things have to be dealt with and his valuable talent was needed to adjust some of the plot points. All this really means is that the story will be better with him involved. So this is a tune up, not a wreck like some of the e-mails I've gotten were worried about.
Just some routine Lamp maintenance...
52 comments:
Well, if there are story problems then I'm glad that they are taking the time to address them. :)
Before all the negativity comes up here, (this IS the Internet after all)I have to say that I really enjoyed Cars and I am really looking forward to Cars 2.
And Cars Land can't open fast enough for me!
So yes, I am glad that they are taking the time to address story problems.
I'm glad that Lasseter believes that quality is the best business plan. :) - February 15, 2010 at 11:18 PM
Why don't I hear about him giving this much attention to the Disney Animation films with "story troubles".
Why when a Disney animation film has "story troubles", they seem to just get thrown out. or.. renamed (ahem... tangled) - February 15, 2010 at 11:28 PM
/\ The re-naming had nothing to do with "story-problems" It was NEVER about the story. Get your facts straight, and more importantly, GET OVER IT.
People need to stop acting like a 5-year old who didn't get a cookie.
Honor; with all due respect, I think you have opened a Pandora's box.
Perhaps employees of Disney Animation should practice the philosophy that Pixar Animation employees follow...Namely, DON'T LEAK INFORMATION. - February 15, 2010 at 11:53 PM
Listen. Understand.
Rapunzel doesnt have story problems. The story is great. Rapunzel has MARKETING problems. - February 16, 2010 at 12:18 AM
- Honor Hunter said...
"/\ The re-naming had nothing to do with "story-problems" It was NEVER about the story. Get your facts straight, and more importantly, GET OVER IT."
This article wasn't about the renaming of "Rapunzel" so I'm wondering if you meant to post it in the previous one?
"Honor; with all due respect, I think you have opened a Pandora's box."
Really? By reporting on the name change? Being disappointed in it? I think I've been pretty fair, I've said the name has nothing to do with the story which I hear is good. On the other hand, I don't just report on "happy, happy" information like I'm sometimes accused.
I love Disney, but I can sometimes disagree with them, even though their heart might be in the right place.
But their heads, clearly aren't.
We'll just have to disagree, I guess... - February 16, 2010 at 12:30 AM
Who is dis Pandora?
And how do I get dat dame back in her box!? - February 16, 2010 at 12:31 AM
If Cars 2 is having story problems, maybe Lasseter should call Brad Bird. Bird certainly helped Ratatouille, and it doesn't seem like he's doing much these days.
- February 16, 2010 at 12:37 AM
"Perhaps employees of Disney Animation should practice the philosophy that Pixar Animation employees follow...Namely, DON'T LEAK INFORMATION."
Dude, it seems this is about Cars 2. A Pixar film and more than likely it was those cats that released the info. So I guess they ain't following the philosophy either. What's next? Monsters 2, anyone? Will we ever see another original film from up north? Or have they lost that amazing spark? - February 16, 2010 at 12:47 AM
Well, it's no surprise, since the first film had story problems that were blatantly obvious onscreen.
Cars bored me. REALLY bored me. And I never really bought the premise of talking cars living in a human-less world. It was the first really weak film from Pixar, and it took the edge off my enthusiasm for the studio.
There's no doubt that the sequel is being made simply because of its merchandising possibilities. Little boys love Cars, and that's great. But I won't be seeing the sequel. - February 16, 2010 at 8:01 AM
Don'y really agree that JL should be the one stepping in to fix it, I know the first one was his baby project, but as noted before, there are other perfectly capable of helping out. Brad Bird comes to mind as someone who could do wonders to improve a project. Remember Ratatouille.
I think JL is spread too thin, WDI, Pixar, WAS. Eeither way, hope they can get cars2 back on track. But not by completely ignoring his other responsibilities. - February 16, 2010 at 8:53 AM
Honor is not leaking information, this was already on the net.
Awake!, we are humans, we are not perfect. LASSETER and his Pixar ARE NOT PERFECT. - February 16, 2010 at 9:44 AM
I never understood the distaste for Cars. I thought it was a great film -- and I'm pushing 30. Maybe it's the little boy in me screaming to come out. :)
- February 16, 2010 at 10:09 AM
"There have been story problems that have developed late last year and into the new year that needed to be addressed."
What the hell is wrong with Emeryville? They waited until about 18 months from Rat's release date to bring in Brad and retool the story. Now the same thing is happening with Cars2?
Haven't these people had enough experience with their features to see that a story is in trouble sooner than 18 months from release? It's not like these are new characters with no previous history. How can such award-winning professionals not notice these problems sooner? Freakin' unbelievable.
(Of course, one could easily argue that there were only minor story issues with the sequel that didn't require John's constant attention for two months straight, but he's using the opportunity to hide up in Emeryville to escape the fallout from an upcoming Burbank downsizing. Check out recent threads on the TAG blog about WDAS woes to see where such actions are quite plausible.) - February 16, 2010 at 10:11 AM
This article wasn't about the renaming of "Rapunzel" so I'm wondering if you meant to post it in the previous one?"
Relax Honor. I wasn't talking to YOU when I said that, I was addressing the second comment here that was posted last night.
....Hence, the arrow /\...I assumed that was self-explanatory.
I would never speak to you like that on your own blog. Come on, do you really think that I would tell you to "get your fact straight" when we all know that you have inside sources? ;)
I love ya man! You are one of the best Disney bloggers on the Internet.
PLEASE, PLEASE! respond so I know that you understand.
And please take no offense, I am not insulting you, I am just suggesting that once people heard this info, they went nuts and people still can't let it go, people have been bringing it up in every new topic now, like in your post about the new TS3 trailer and whatnot.
Just because people know about it (before it was mentioned on facebook) doesn't necessarily mean that its going to change anything.
Compared to "Rapunzel", "Tangled" sounds pretty inferior, but when I've mentioned to some friends of mine, they didn't think it was such a big deal.
One of them even observed that "Tangled" has a double meaning, one, the literal sense meaning tangled hair, and two, being tangled up in trouble.
Yes, its disappointing, since the title would have been better off as "Rapunzel" but since the title nothing to do with the Disney's Rapuzel story being bad or not, is this REALLY a big deal in the longrun? Like you said, "The Great Mouse Detective" is a good movie, despite the fact that it has a rather unimaginative title compared to the original one.
..Yes, I LOVE Lasseter and I'm glad that he is working to address story issues with Cars 2. Like you said, this is good news. Like you said, just some routine lamp maintenance. - February 16, 2010 at 10:37 AM
- steve said...
"What's next? Monsters 2, anyone? Will we ever see another original film from up north? Or have they lost that amazing spark?"
Guess you haven't heard of Bear and the Bow and Newt. They're ramping up production to 1 movie 1 year, then two movies the following year, then 1, etc. Takes less time to develop a movie when you already have a group of characters. Now I'm not saying that we're going to be getting a bunch of sequels, but there is a possibility with this new format we might.
"There's no doubt that the sequel is being made simply because of its merchandising possibilities. Little boys love Cars, and that's great. But I won't be seeing the sequel."
How about Cars made so much money off of merchandise they were allowed to make movies like WALL-E and Up! which is something I've been told. And even if Cars is their weakest film (I disagree) tell me what animated film that came out the same year was better. - February 16, 2010 at 11:46 AM
The fact that they admit they have story problems tells us they want to deliver a good product...
Cars was one of my favourite films from Pixar, I was really touched by it and I felt it had a heart.
Still my favourite is Finding Nemo though :p - February 16, 2010 at 11:53 AM
Thank you for posting my response to you Honor.
Sorry for the confusion.
I assume that there are no hard feelings? :) - February 16, 2010 at 12:31 PM
Why doesn't Disney fix its Rapunzel problem (trends too girly) and its Cars problem (trends to boy) and smoosh them into the same damned movie? Worked for EPCOT Center.
- February 16, 2010 at 1:07 PM
- robster16 said...
Okay, this is precious. Disney France has confirmed the new french title for "Rapunzel"/"Tangled" today. The new title will be... wait for it..
"Princesse Raiponce" = "Princess Rapunzel"
Princess and the Frog has been a huge success in france so they are most likely capitalising on the success it had there.
Now tell me Disney marketing peoplem this is not confusing how? One part of the world reffering to the movie as "Tangled" and another as "PRINCESS Rapunzel"...
This is getting weirder by the day! - February 16, 2010 at 1:17 PM
I look forward to the Disney and Pixar releases year after year. Despite the sour news that sometimes proceeds and follows. The stories, the animation, the music and score are always something exciting to discover.
Rapunzel and Toy Story 3 are those two films this year. And I cannot wait for Toy Story 3 this summer, and I am so excited for the trailer and release of Tangled. The movies to follow over the next few years I am equally stoked for.
So no more complainingI have faith in these two studios. Any year that sees a new movie released by DIsney Animation and PIxar Animation is sure to be a good year.
I can't wait. - February 16, 2010 at 2:11 PM
- Matt DeWater said...
Amen J.
- February 16, 2010 at 5:14 PM
- Justin said...
"Guess you haven't heard of Bear and the Bow and Newt."
Go check the comments section of the TAG blog. Newt has been axed. - February 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM
I've always loved that image of McQueen and all of his bling-bling!
And hey Honor remember, no matter how depressing the news has been lately, it could always be worse!
Since I don't want to jinx anything, I will not give examples! ;) - February 16, 2010 at 8:07 PM
- steve said...
Wow, a bunch of negative people over at the TAG blog. The thing about Newt is news to me, but I'm not crushed about it. New they tried a new director over the summer, but that guy has been busy UP to his ears lately.
People really need to stop wishing failure on companies. - February 16, 2010 at 8:29 PM
I hope Newt hasn't been Axed. I was looking forward to that one too. Where is it reported that Newt and BATB were cut??
- February 17, 2010 at 12:28 AM
the double meaning of Tangled in English
is lost when you translate it into other languages
in Dutch it sounds too awfull and very silly
The French are far smarter
on Cars 2
it won't be my movie but I hope others will enjoy it
to me Cars means nothing, saw it on dvd and was bored after half an hour but my best friend thought it was amazing...... - February 17, 2010 at 1:21 AM
Cars is so slow... it could be a 2 parter to begin with. YAWNNING during the movie. I hope they don't make it a 2 parter again, technically sequels 3 and 4.
- February 17, 2010 at 7:46 AM
- Justin said...
"Where is it reported that Newt and BATB were cut??"
Not Bear and the Bow, just Newt. Pixar and Disney do not announce the cancellation of films in development so you won't see any announcement. This is about as official as it's going to get:
Half way down the comments section. Post by Floyd Norman. - February 17, 2010 at 9:18 AM
That Floyd Norman guy just won't SHUT UP. He continually inserts himself into Disney and Pixar stories as if he KNEW somehing or had anything relevant to say (or worked at Pixar very briefly a long time ago according to people on the guild blog). Being around a long time doesn't give him or anyone the right to leak what's probably confidential information. His need for attention comes across as pretty pathetic. Especially when he has nothing to do with the subjects at hand.
I don't care if these storys are true or not. I'm glad they're doing what it takes to make these movies as good as possible. - February 17, 2010 at 8:46 PM
Hi Honor.
I'm still sorry about the confusion from earlier, and don't worry, I'm not here to cause problems. But I have to say, after thinking more about this, I am confused as to why there was an issue in the first place...
Considering the fact that you have to approve comments before they are seen, that means that you had to approve comment #2, So I assume that means you read it before you saw my comment (#3).
With that in mind, I imagine that it should have been obvious that my Rapunzel statement was meant to address comment #2 and not you.
After all, comment #2 was not only off topic, but they were completely off base, they thought that Rapunzel had story problems, so I was just responding to them, and telling them that they were wrong.
I only starting addressing you after I mentioned your name.
Admittedly, my tone was pretty harsh, but as I mentioned before, I was sick of people harping on the same old thing...You aren't the only person who can be in a bad mood you know. ;) :)
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, this is behind us. You don't need to respond, I just needed to get this off of my chest.
Thanks for understanding. :)
And its good to know that Cars 2 is in good, caring hands. - February 17, 2010 at 9:18 PM
- Honor Hunter said...
"That Floyd Norman guy just won't SHUT UP."
Floyd isn't releasing anything that isn't already out there. He wouldn't do that. None of the info you hear here comes from him or the TAG blog.
And as for him having worked for Pixar, yeah and Disney and many, many others. He's a legend.
And most importantly, he's a Disney Legend... - February 17, 2010 at 10:29 PM
I'm thinking of the scene in Toy Story where Mr. Potato Head takes his lips and pressed them up against his butt.
- February 17, 2010 at 10:31 PM
"Floyd isn't releasing anything that isn't already out there"
No. The fact is he is singularly responsible for leaking this information. This is a fact.
And how would you know if he would do this or not?
And in the animation industry, he's certainly NOT a legend. Why would anyone say this?
He should shut up. - February 18, 2010 at 7:24 AM
If John has to be directly involved fixing everything, what happens when he is no longer able to micromanage? I love the guy but he has to build in the capacity in people under him or else Disney will suffer another reign of mediocrity like we had with Eisner/Pressler/etc. in the future.
And please John get on a diet and exercise routine that will keep you around for a long time! - February 18, 2010 at 7:38 AM
Mr. Norman is a Disney Legend:
Now I'm sure you knew that and you were merely stating he wasn't "Disney Legend" material, right?
When you can't get simple facts straight its hard to give credence to the "facts" you're stating. - February 18, 2010 at 2:47 PM
No. He got an award. That doesn't make him a "legend. He got it because he was still alive. Doesn't mean he did anything of consequence at the Disney studio other than surviving longer. He's an active self promoter (nothing wrong with that), but they were giving that "legend" award to just about ANYONE for a while.
In the animation industry--especially in L.A.--he's not considered a "legend."
And he's shooting off his mouth about confidential information. He should shut up. - February 18, 2010 at 7:07 PM
jeez.. so touchy..
get over it already. - February 18, 2010 at 10:29 PM
Perhaps Floyd cares about the artists, and he doesn't want tyranny over WDAS.
- February 19, 2010 at 7:25 AM
He's a card-carrying Guild union-stooge and maybe just doesn't like the fact that Mr. Fun hangs out at places that don't necessarily support the Union anymore. (AnimationNation, etc) Bitterness sucks, don't it?
- February 19, 2010 at 10:44 AM
That's what happens when you base a new story around the amount of toys you sell. Cars brought in 1 billion in sales.
- February 19, 2010 at 10:50 AM
- Jeremy said...
Floyd would be the first person to tell you he doesn't feel like a legend but he knows the business. Not many people can say they worked with Walt Disney and Milt Kahl directly without any reprimands. Most importantly, Floyd is a wonderful human being who is still passionate about animation and storytelling long past the time when most give up. Sometimes his passion gets him in to trouble but at least he's not afraid to speak up and use his real name on a post. If you speak with him in person, you'll realize that Floyd's only agenda is to remind people what Disney was like when he started in the 1950's. Good thing since I don't know how many of us were alive then.
- February 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM
- Floyd Norman said...
Wow! What an honor to have people argue about me on this site.
Yeah, I don't consider myself a Disney Legend either. However, I did work with a lot of the Disney Legends, and that's good enough for me.
Finally, the guys and gals at Pixar are my friends and colleagues, and we still work together. I would never release any information that wasn't already known.
Sorry, I don't plan to shut up, either. That's the benefit of age. I've earned it, kids. - February 19, 2010 at 2:05 PM
That Floyd Norman guy just won't SHUT UP. He continually inserts himself into Disney and Pixar stories as if he KNEW somehing or had anything relevant to say (or worked at Pixar very briefly a long time ago according to people on the guild blog). Being around a long time doesn't give him or anyone the right to leak what's probably confidential information. His need for attention comes across as pretty pathetic. Especially when he has nothing to do with the subjects at hand.
It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who sees Mr. Norman as a bit of an @$$.
And, Floyd, just because you have "the benefit of ages" does not give you the right to be a bastard. - February 20, 2010 at 6:02 AM
- Disney's Folly said...
Gotta imagine the fact that Newman and Carlin passed on has made story development difficult from the start. Hope this bump in the road emulates past Pixar bumps and makes the flick stronger!
- February 20, 2010 at 3:32 PM
- Floyd Norman said...
I'm not exactly sure what I did to earn the title, "bastard." I've always been respectful of my friends and colleagues even if we disagree. Plus, I have no personal agenda except to share my love and respect for this marvelous medium.
However, if having opinions you disagree with make me a "bastard," then so be it. - February 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM
- Matt DeWater said...
You're not a bastard Floyd Norman! I promise!
- February 22, 2010 at 12:01 PM
- Honor Hunter said...
Guys, just so you know, if you want to disagree with Floyd that's fine. If you want to agree with him, that's fine too. But please do so in a civil manner. There is no need to drop the F-bomb and other words to get your point across. I don't mind publishing differing opinions, but be mindful of how you say what you say.
Oh, and btw, Floyd is right and you're wrong. ;) - February 22, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Not sure if this is allowed, but thought i'd post a link to a work in progress trailer to tangled.
don't know how long it'll be up. so better hurry. - February 22, 2010 at 2:45 PM
- Honor Hunter said...
You'll find a much better copy on the Blu-Ray/DVD of "Princess and the Frog," actually...
And you may see it released sooner than that on the net.
Maybe... - February 22, 2010 at 4:41 PM
- Term Papers said...
This article wasn't about the renaming of "Rapunzel" so I'm wondering if you meant to post it in the previous one?
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