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Let me tell you, it's not easy to build a career as a feminist writer when you have people coming up to you in pubs asking if you're the "Clinton boob girl" or if one of the first items that comes up in a Google search of your name is "boobgate".Well, let me tell you. I don't like having my name connected to the things you have in quotes there, none of which were written by me. They were written by your allies as they attacked me over and over again.
The only reason the Google searches come out the way they do is because of the endless vicious, nasty attacks on me. I haven't been the one pushing this story. They are. And you are too -- right here! I never even put your name in the original post -- or even in any post until long after you and your allies had posted repeatedly insulting me by name every way they could think of. Your name is all over their posts. Not mine.
And I still maintain that it was absolutely justified to mock that photograph. Distort what I was really saying there all you want, but the fact remains: Cozying up to Bill Clinton is not something a feminist should be doing. You have never responded to what I was really writing about. You have instead chosen to attack me, and you're doing it again, and you and your friends have leveraged what was a minor satirical blog post for your advantage. You're exploiting it again and going through the whole routine of trying to ruin my reputation again. It's an ugly way you've chosen to try to build a career as a feminist writer.
I'd love to see you take some responsibility for what you've done instead of whining that everyone's talking about your breasts. I don't give a damn about your breasts. What I care about is the way feminists sold out feminism to bolster the fortunes of the Democratic Party. But you will never talk about that, because you don't have anything to say there. So it's on and on about breasts, breasts, breasts, please don't talk about my breasts.
IN THE COMMENTS: Larry in Gibbsville said:
Valenti continues to milk her sagging "breast controversy" for all its worth.Internet Ronin:
[C]an you explain why Valenti and her friends persist in bringing this issue back to life on a regular basis? It seems to me that they are the ones who make repeated references to her breasts, and the picture. That seems an illogical thing to do if one sincerely wishes not to be known as the "breast-blogger" and genuinely wished for this subject to be consigned to the dustbin of history.That's well put. And let me remind people, once again, that Valenti's blog, right at the top, has two very busty "mudflap"-style silhouettes. Yes, I know they are giving you the finger -- that is, they are bringing in additional sexual references (enough to make me think -- people say I'm wrong -- that the blog name "Feministing" was intended to make you see the word "fisting"). It is simply undeniable that Valenti herself uses sexual imagery in an effort to make her offerings more exciting. I would never have written the "Let's take a closer look" post if that hadn't been blindingly obvious to me. I'll give Valenti credit for doing a good job at self-promotion -- calling into her service a swarm of bloggers who have come to her defense by, absurdly, talking about her breasts continually.
If it was so humiliating for Valenti, one must wonder why she insists on reliving that humiliation on a regular basis and is now obviously trying to widen the distribution of the her supposed humiliation.
By the way -- as Mortimer Brezny points out and discusses in many excellent comments -- Valenti has a book coming out. So you figure out why she's bringing up the subject of my old blog post again. (Someone raises the theory that she actually plotted with Garance Franke-Ruta to revive the old controversy through that Bloggingheads episode, but Garance assures me that didn't happen.) The book's title refers to graphic nudity, and it has a naked female torso on the cover -- more of the same use of sexual imagery for self-promotion.
Responding to someone who wrote, "It was not right to mock that photograph," Bill says:
Which is just plain and utter bullshit. Can we all--ok, can most of us agree--that it's perfectly normal, and fun, to mock things. Photos, religion, hairstyles, bumper stickers, ANYTHING. SNL, Dennis Miller, Jon Stewart, all have perfected the art of mocking photographs. Then there's all the newspapers and magazines that run caption contests--again, mocking the photo being the prime goal.Note that the original "Let's take a closer look" post links to a "Daily Show" segment in which Jon Stewart mercilessly mocks Katherine Harris for posing in a way that shows off her breasts. You know, it's really laughable that Valenti's Guardian piece lumps mocking her photograph together with threats of real violence. It's utterly specious argument to compare harshly mocking political speech -- like mine -- to real threats of violence. The fact is, Valenti went to that lunch and posed the way she did; it had political meaning, and I talked about it. She doesn't like that to be pointed out in a way that's embarrassing to her. I get it. And I meant to embarrass her. She is a public figure who writes about feminism and behaved in a way -- posing proudly with Clinton -- that raises a feminist issue I'm damned well going to talk about. Though I certainly understand why she and her allies would like to shut me up.
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It's odd that a feminist is building a career out of whining about how her breasts are being talked about.Palladian replies:
People who pursue careers as professional "feminists" usually build their careers out of whining.L links to the Bloggingheads segment where I lash out at Garance Franke-Ruta for using the expression "the Jessica Valenti breast controversy" and writes:
because really, ann flipping out about character assassination when it comes to an issue she created! ha, c'mon, it is pretty hilarious. lets all join hands and laugh. but knowing ann and her own hatred for her female flesh, she probably will blame her craziness on on her menstrual cycle.That is completely sexist. Upthread L wrote, "You are just an insecure right wing woman who is jealous of a liberal younger woman's looks and success," so I'm surprised he/she is giving me credit for having a menstrual cycle. The ageist and sexist themes in the anti-Althousiana genre are highly revealing. You think your values don't matter as long as you are attacking opponents? And I love this idea that older women are not allowed to attack younger women. It's just an attempt to silence: You're old, so shut up, or we'll say you're ugly and jealous. It's a lame debate ploy, since it's obvious you're just saying shut up. But to stoop to flat-out sexism and ageism for emphasis... how terribly embarrassing for you, L.
Synova takes issue with this characterization of me as "an insecure right wing woman who is jealous of a liberal younger woman's looks and success":
Does Ann go around making mean comments about the appearance of young women who aren't standing next to Bill Clinton?Johnstodder has this (beginning with a quote from Mark):
I could be wrong but I thought I remembered reading something about Ann being profoundly disillusioned about how feminism responded to the Lewinsky scandal....
I know that my mother was furious and absolutely clear on what *exactly* about the Clinton/Monica thing upset her. It was the fact that this was blatant workplace sexual harassment, something that exists despite consent to the degree that the parties involved have unequal power. This was the "secretary as a sexual perk" role right out of the bad old days when being a secretary was one of the very few career choices available to women.
If my mom saw that picture with all the happy girls clustered around Bill she'd probably have the same reaction as Ann to the visual prominence of the pretty young lady in the center.
There's mockery and then there's mockery. It's one thing to make a good natured fun of a picture, it's quite another to be mean-spirited and crudely mock someone's appearance in a picture in a sexist way all the while asserting that it's done with a valid purpose of defending true feminism.Hey says:
Huh? "Crudely mock someone's appearance?" Part of the point of Ann's joke was that Jessica is a relatively attractive woman in a sea of doughy-faced blogger types; posing in the way (as Ann saw it) that attractive girls do to catch the eye.
This observation by Ann is totally consistent with what Valenti says about herself. She is offended by those who would deny her sexuality. She assumes she draws looks from men. The penchant of some men to take oppressive action when confronted with an attractive woman is a major topic of her blog.
Go to her blog. Type in the search term "lookism." You get one hit. One. From a comment that refers to another URL. Jessica has never used the term. Women losing out on jobs and other benefits because they aren't considered attractive by men doesn't happen to be her issue.
For example, on January 4th, she defended Texas cheerleaders targeted by a state bill banning "bawdy performances." She (rightly) mocked men getting "in such a tizzy" over cheerleaders. Old-style feminists might have a disagreement with Jessica on this matter, seeing in cheerleading an institution that rewards the superficial physical traits rather than merit or acheivement.
Jessica's initial position wasn't that she was crudely mocked by Ann. She thought Ann was off-base in using Jessica's alluring appearance against her. If there is one thing Ann and Jessica seemed to agree on, it was that Jessica looked good in the picture. The argument was primarily over intent, and secondarily over whether it was appropriate for a self-identified feminist to seemingly re-enact a shameful moment in feminist history as if the episode had no weight whatsoever.
What's the thing that Bill Clinton is most famous for? Lecherous behavior with younger women, even not especially attractive ones.I agree with that. On first seeing the photo, I laughed and thought about how Valenti's placement and pose undermined the whole point of the lunch, which was to use Bill to help Hillary. I don't, however, agree that Valenti is an idiot. I think she's a self-promoter who has been exploiting this incident with some skill, playing the other bloggers reasonably well. I don't know if she's for or against Hillary. (I've actually never read her blog!) But I'll estimate her intelligence at a much higher level if she's against.
What kind of picture is always popping up in the media of Bill? Interesting and compromising photos of him with younger and much younger women (The Economist and other serious media have made hay out of Bill and Canadian billionaire heiress and politician Belinda Stronach, never mind other media). Regular on Drudge, Leno, never mind right wing sites.
If you're a feminist supporter of Hillary, what's the last thing that you should want to do? Provide fodder to comedians and political opponents that highlights Bill's "bimbo eruptions".
What does the Valenti picture echo? Bill's bimbo problems.
Valenti should have been far away from Bill to avoid this. The picture was a hilarious joke of all the worst Clinton pictures And this is by a supporter for public consumption?
The picture and controversy shows that Valenti is an idiot and that her supporters are in denial or are just as idiotic. That this is all about disrespecting feminism, rather than the obvious problems of the photos, is an admission that Valenti screwed up and played into the hands of the Clintons' opponents.
Omaha1 provides an outline of the controversy:
1. Ann observed that a young feminist blogger was photographed next to Clinton in dress and manner that seemed to accentuate her attractive figure.And don't miss mikeinsc, who gets into a big debate very late in the comments. Sample:
1a. Intelligent women acknowledge that in the real world, men often notice their breasts.
1b. Intelligent women also know that knit tops are clingy and draw men's eyes to their breasts.
1c. Clinton has a public history of sexual interest in young women.
1d. In anticipating a meeting with a prominent political figure, considerable thought would presumably go into one's dress and deportment.
Conclusion: When a young, attractive woman meets with Clinton, if she does not make an effort to dress in a non-provocative way, she is encouraging his perception of her as a sexual object.
2. The majority of the Democratic party set back the cause of feminism in its refusal to condemn the sexual exploitation of Clinton's young, vulnerable intern, Monica Lewinsky.
2a. This "refusal to condemn" was the result of partisan support for a Democratic president.
2b. Since one of the foundations of modern femiminism is abhorrence for the sexual exploitation of women, for any reason, by men in "superior" positions, this was hypocritical.
Conclusion: The apparent willingness of an attractive young feminist blogger to be viewed by Clinton as a sexual object is a continuing endorsement of this hypocrisy.
shorter summary: if Jessica had worn a jacket or sweater over her knit top, there would be no controversy.
shorter summary II: if Jessica is unaware of men's interest in breasts, she is either unintelligent or out of touch with reality.....
[I]f I were meeting with a prominent political figure, I would put a significant amount of thought into choosing my attire, and considering the message it might send. I would probably choose a businesslike skirt and jacket, something that would project a professional, non-sexual image.
I have worked in the predominately male world of software development and seen the effect of women consciously using sex appeal to influence co-workers, and that is something I never wanted any part of. I stand by my assertion that Jessica's choice of attire was a deliberate ploy to gain sexual attention, unless she was either stupid or naive.
The number of feminists outside of Althouse who WILL condemn what Clinton did is miniscule. Which is why the current crop of pseudo-feminists are so pissy at Althouse. Nobody likes having their blatant hypocrisy exposed.I'll give David53 the last word:
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Last fall Zhu Jun, a Chinese Internet multimillionaire who convinced the Didier Drogba to join his Shanghai Shenhua football club, noted that Drogba had a two-and-a-half year contract. Despite rumors that Drogba was on his way out, the relationship between player and team "wasn't a one-night stand."
Zhu was right. The relationship between the star Ivorian striker and the mediocre Chinese team was actually a six-month fling. Now after half a season in a Chinese league better known for poor play and corruption—the "Allegedly Super League," as the Guardian once called it last year—Drogba is leaving for the Turkish side Galatasaray. For most of Drogba's short stay in China, talk swirled about his imminent departure as Zhu battled Shenhua's other owners for control and wages for some of the team's foreign players reportedly went unpaid. This week the long expected exit finally happened, after Galatasaray announced it had signed Drogba to an 18-month deal that will see him earn $13.5 million and a per-game fee of $20,000. After the Chinese season ended in November, Drogba had discussed playing on loan for Chelsea, the club he left last summer after leading them to a Champions League title. The move was blocked by FIFA, the sport's international governing body. Shenhua are challenging Drogba's move to Galatasaray, saying he still has two years on his contract.
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Drogba, 34, arrived in Shanghai as a conquering hero but was faced with a terribly unglamorous task: dragging Shenhua up from the basement of the Super League. He showed the same enthusiasm with which he attacked the world's top defenses in Europe, energizing a team that was sitting in 13th place in a league of 16 teams when he arrived. Even Nicolas Anelka, a former Chelsea teammate who had come to Shenhua six months ahead of Drogba, showed moments of newfound inspiration. For most of his year in China, however, Anelka displayed the same indifference to competing that he had as a French international during the 2010 World Cup, when he led a team revolt against the coach and was sent home early. Last week Italian squad Juventus said it had signed Anelka on a loan for the remained of the season.
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But while Anelka lived up to his nickname of "Le Sulk" while at Shenhua, Drogba showed he is one of the hardest working men in the sport. Last year he went from the European season almost directly into the Chinese season and will now join Galatasaray's Turkish and Champions league campaigns after he finishes with the African Cup of Nations, where he is representing the Ivory Coast.
He hardly takes a breather on the pitch. I watched him play for Shenhua against Dalian Shide on a sweltering August night last year. He was aggressive and direct—plowing into opposing players, flailing for loose balls, crumpling at the slightest touch in hopes of drawing a foul. At one point midway through the second half, while double-marked in the opposition corner, he lofted a shot from an improbable angle that clanged off the crossbar. Aside from Drogba though, Shenhua showed little guile. They often got bogged down in midfield and had a hard time delivering the ball to their star striker. The game ended in a scoreless draw.
For the first two months after Drogba arrived Shenhua were undefeated in league play. They finished in ninth place, better than they were sitting midseason but far off the team's goal of finishing in the top four and thus qualifying for the Asian Champions League. For Chinese football fans long used to failure and frustration, particularly when their men's national team faces foreign competition, the significance of Drogba's arrival was not just about what he meant for Shenhua or even the Super League, but what he meant for the sport in China as a whole. Zhu, the Shenhua chairman, told me last fall that he thought Drogba could help elevate the country's level of play. "In China people don't know what organized football is," Zhu said. "They certainly won't listen to me. So I brought in a star to show them. Every day they can see what a good player Drogba is and how he plays football. And then they will realize what football is."
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2nd Generation NEX-5N Produces 16.1 megapixels and Full HD 60p video
SAN DIEGO, Aug. 24, 2011 – Sony adds superb responsiveness, image quality, and creative possibilities to its line of E-mount interchangeable lens cameras with the new α NEX-5N model. Housed in a rugged, light magnesium alloy body, with an intuitive touch-screen interface, the camera is just 23.3mm at its slimmest point.
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Don't get use to this, because it doesn't stay like this for very long...
Seeing that this is where it came from, I'm sure it won't take me long to go back.
Seriously, it was worse in person.
For some reason, I work well like this!
This frightful picture is in the middle of moving things in and out and changing things around. It definitely gets bad before it gets better when you're moving stuff.
Ok, now we are all back together, let's start in one section of the room and work our way around. This wall holds all my crafting and sewing supplies.
- The boxes are Sterilite plastic shoe boxes from Walmart...98 cents. I have been collecting those for years. I always buy white so they will always match over time. Each one is label in the front.
- The frame with the metal in it is from a thrift store...cheap! The small take out cups hold small beads, screws and office supplies and are stuck up there with magnets. Click here for that post
To the left of that cabinet is my Vertical Coffee Can project. I originally made that for spray paint cans, but now I use it for all my strings. Click here for that.
The handle at the top holds the scissors to cut the string.
This chair is so old...over 15 years I think. It's great for my husband or the girls when they come in for a visit or just to sit when I'm do some hand sewing. The small table on the side is also a redo which you can see over at this post.
Here's a little peek under the chair's skirt. You can turn any piece of furniture into a beauty with slip covers.
We got rid of the family office space now that the girls are both in college, so I moved all the house paper work and such to my office in my sewing room. Now I really need to be organized with this desk.
2 old window frames with cork in one and calendars in the other keep all the important info right there in front of me. Here is the post for this project.
Can't forget the jumbo button wall decoration above my desk. That post was so popular. This is made from a cheese board!
A 25 cent thrift store find hangs on one of the legs to hold all my reading glasses!
A file for important papers right where I can find them.
The spike paper holder keeps little notes that I jot down very organized. Here's that tutorial for the spike paper holder.
Just twist up a piece of wire and stick it in the oil can to hold your picture.
On the right side of my desk is a double side picture frame. One side is a picture and the other holds all my user names and passwords. See this post for that tutorial.
I have 2 daughters who have grown up way too fast, but I keep their old Slinky's to remind me when they were little. I keep my most important "To Do" notes in there. I miss my girls something awful!
Now going under my desk...every square inch of space is important. This file box holds greeting cards.
These cheapo office boxes are the perfect size for hanging files. Who needs a file cabinet when a cardboard box works just as well.
Still underneath the desk...this is an old TV stand that I added 2 shelves to. The black trays were in a clearance section in Staples office supply. They hold all my different papers for the printer.
Each tray is labeled.
This was a very old china cabinet not being used in the basement. A coat of black paint, glass doors taken off and crown molding added. All the crap up on top...decorative plastic grocery bags, but filled with stuff.
These magazine holders have all the computer and printer information and instructions. The magazine holders are made from cereal boxes...tutorial here.
The handles for them are Pipe Straps found in the electrical section of the hardware store.
3 ring binders hold all my patterns and inspiration pictures.
This binder is filled with those plastic sheet protectors.
All the pages neatly protected and you can easily see all your patterns or important papers.
Each pattern just loads in from the top. See here for a guest post that I did with a lot more tips.
These boxes hold so much too. These boxes are Propel water boxes. I just glued strips of fabric on the outside of the box and used the pipe straps again for the handles.
Hang tags dangle from a key ring.
Next section of the room is my crafting table.
- cork squares with fabric hot glued onto them are mounted on the wall with 3M adhesive strips
- hot glue guns are resting on a silicone mat for easy clean up...click here
- glue gun plugs into surge bar with lamp attached. If the lamp is on...that is your signal that you left your hot glue gun on!...click here for that.
Old wooden boxes are label with a galvanized Light Switch plate. Just screw it into the box for a cute label plate.
An old thrift store find is now my tool box.
This wall unit is 3 old cheapo laminate book shelves, painted, thin paneling removed and bead board added to the back for support and crown molding added to the top.
Seriously...crown molding and paint can turn junk into a jewel.
These are just tension rods in one of the shelf sections. All my ribbon is stored here. Easy peasy! There is a yard stick attached to the shelf and scissors tied on with a ribbon, so they are always there.
There is an update on how I store my fabric. This picture shows them stored in stacks in the wall unit. Due to too much sunlight and fading, I have switched to a new system. Still working on completing all the filing, but CLICK HERE to see my new system!!
This was a popular post too. Remember the French Drains I cut up to store all my canning jars of button and my skeins of yarn...click here for that.
Plastic popcorn buckets are a cute way to store fabric and scraps!
Wooden plate racks can hold quilting rulers or your accu quilt cutters.
Here is my mom's old pot rack. Keeps my old quilt collection and miscellaneous projects close at hand.
Join me for a cup of tea?
This is my sewing table. Very low for me...I'm a shorty at 5' 3" or maybe less now...haven't checked lately!! I made this with 2 old side tables painted black and a hollow core door from Home Depot for $18.00. Click here for that post
This is an old toothbrush holder for my small gadgets next to my machine. The pin holder is from the automotive store. It a magnetic car parts holder, but great for pins.
An old tool box holds all my thread.
Golf tees with flower glued on top will keep the matching bobbin with the right spool of thread. Also don't forget the little hair scrunchy that keeps your bobbin from unwinding.
This stand is from the office supply. Holds paper while you're typing...but for me it holds pattern instructions when I'm sewing.
I think I might put them on the edge of my sewing table.
Here's a little small desk painted black to match. An extra spot when the girls are in here sewing with me.
This is my cutting table in the center of the room.
The cutting table is elevated higher than the other 2 tables, for ease of cutting...you don't have to bend over as much.
Just add finials to the bottom of your legs. See the white line I added so you can see the extra piece that makes the table higher.
You can also use the plastic bed risers that you can buy in Walmart for $8.00 for a set of 4.
Here is a picture of the only drawer on my cutting table. It holds all my quilting rulers. I'm showing you this for the handle idea. I changed out the knob for a spool of thread...click here for that idea.
On top of the table...I lined up metal boxes and labeled them to hold all the scraps that I cut down to size as I am cutting out a quilt.
This is an old mug tree (holder) that I now use for my scissors and rotary cutters. Keeps them off the table and not buried under fabric.
Big metal galvanized tubs from the hardware store hold batting and fabric that isn't 100% cotton. When we have family functions, I also use these to hold soda, water and beer bottles.
and lastly...I mounted curtain rods on all three sides of my table. They hold freezer paper, Heat and Bond and other rolls of paper. Easy to cut off, always easy to find and not wrinkled.
*UPDATE…click HERE for the link to the post with new ideas and project in my sewing room. Pop over for a look!!
Hope you will stop by again and have a cup of tea too,


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Minister Martonyi, Ambassadors, Excellencies, dear colleagues,
I regret that I cannot be with you in person today. But I very much value the opportunity to welcome you, and to wish you a successful meeting.
Your conference is NATO's most visible non-proliferation event. In just a few years, it has also become one of NATO's largest outreach activities. I want to thank Minister Martonyi and the Hungarian Ministry of Foreign Affairs for their initiative and hard work in hosting this year's meeting. But let me also thank all of you – participants and speakers -- for coming to Budapest. I know that some of you have travelled a long way.
This is the eighth Annual NATO Conference on Weapons of Mass Destruction Arms Control, Disarmament and Non-Proliferation. That so many of you have come to take part shows that we face serious, persistent challenges in this area. But it is also a strong demonstration of our resolve to work together to meet those challenges.
At our NATO Summit in Chicago last month, NATO Allies expressed concern at the growing number of countries and non-state actors who either have, or are seeking to have, Weapons of Mass Destruction Capabilities, as well as the means to deliver them. That's because it threatens our shared vision of creating the conditions necessary for a world without nuclear weapons, in accordance with the goals of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
The Chicago Summit delivered strong messages with respect to Iran and North Korea, two countries of specific concern when it comes to nuclear non-proliferation. On other occasions, individual Allies have also expressed concern about Syria's lack of cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency in dissipating concerns about its nuclear programme.
The Chicago Summit made an appeal to all states to strengthen the security of nuclear materials within their borders, as called for at the Seoul Nuclear Security Summit earlier this year.
NATO leaders made it clear that we will continue to implement NATO's Strategic-Level Policy for Preventing the Proliferation of WMD and Defending Against Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear Threats. They also stressed that NATO has the appropriate capabilities to address and respond to CBRN attacks.
The Chicago Summit also approved, and made public, the review of NATO's Deterrence and Defence Posture, the DDPR. It underlines our commitment to maintain an appropriate mix of nuclear, conventional and missile defence capabilities. It makes clear that, consistent with the Strategic Concept and our commitments under existing arms control treaties, Allies will continue to support arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation efforts.
And I mentioned missile defence as did Minister Martonyi – and let me finish with a few words on that important issue which was on our Chicago agenda. Over the past year and a half, several Allies have announced contributions to the NATO missile defence system we agreed to develop at our previous Summit in Lisbon. At Chicago we were able to declare an interim capability that brings these contributions together under NATO command and control. It's a first step – but a meaningful first step – towards full coverage for NATO's European populations, territory and forces.
Taken together, all these measures represent a robust NATO response to the proliferation threat. But we realise that we can, and we must, do even more in this endeavour: to replace mistrust and misunderstanding with a new mindset of consultation and cooperation.
In recent years, we have stepped up our dialogue and cooperation with our partner nations on this vital issue and I'm pleased so many partners are participating at this conference. We have opened up our training opportunities. We have reached out to the United Nations, the European Union and other organisations and initiatives that address WMD proliferation.
And we have engaged with Russia, a critically important partner, to find a basis for cooperation on missile defence, since the proliferation of ballistic missiles is a common threat that we should try to meet together.
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This week I'm featuring some classic game Sweets. We all know there are TONS of video game console cakes out there, but what about the classics? You know, board games, card games, that kind of thing? Well, here's what I've got so far:
Here's the perfect board game to celebrate an 80th birthday: LIFE!
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And I just love this Taboo cake:
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting a real nostalgia jolt from some of these cakes over here. Remember Operation?
It even comes with tweezers! Nice touch. Now if we can just find a Hungry Hungry Hippos cake, my trip down memory lane will be complete. (Oh - and Mouse Trap. And maybe Battleship, although I'm not sure that counts as a board game.)
Here's one for my good friend John G.:
For those of you who don't know, the game's called Carcassonne, and John G. digs it. I played it once, but I'm definitely more of a Pictionary kind of girl. At any rate, this sweet cake is our Fondant-Free Sweet of the week.
Cool, huh? Believe it or not (I didn't at first) each chess piece is handmade without any molds. If you look closely, you'll see that they are all in fact slightly different:
Bron (the baker) also reports that it took two months to make all those pieces out of sugarpaste. Yowza.
And lastly, here's Dahlia's far more whimsical take on a Chess set:
You know me: I'm lovin' all those colors. The side texture is gorgeous, too.
That's it for now! If you have a classic game cake (or any other amazing cake design) you'd like to share, just send it to me at Sunday Sweets [at] Cake Wrecks [dot] com.
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Hostess Brands Inc. lived to die another day.
The maker of Twinkies and Ding Dongs said late Tuesday that it failed to reach an agreement with its second-biggest union. As a result, Hostess plans to continue with a hearing on Wednesday in which a bankruptcy court judge in White Plains, N.Y., will decide if the company can shutter its operations.
The renewed talks between Hostess and The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union came after the company declared last week that it would move to wind down its business and start selling off its assets in bankruptcy court. The company cited a crippling strike that was started on Nov. 9 by the union, which represents 30 percent of Hostess workers.
After making its case to liquidate on Monday, the bankruptcy court judge noted that the two sides hadn't yet tried resolving their differences through private mediation. The judge noted that 18,000 jobs were on the line and urged the company and union to try to resolve their differences. Both sides agreed to hold mediation proceedings on Tuesday.
In a statement late Tuesday, Hostess said it would not comment on the breakdown in talks other than to say that mediation "was unsuccessful." A lawyer for the bakers union said he had no comment, citing mediation ground rules.
Hostess shut down its three dozen plants late last week after it said the strike by the bakers union hurt its ability to maintain normal production. The union says the company's demise was the result of years of mismanagement, however, and that workers have already given steep concessions over the years.
Hostess, weighed down by management turmoil, rising labor costs and Americans' changing tastes, is making its second trip through Chapter 11 bankruptcy restructuring. The company, based in Irving, Texas, had brought on CEO Gregory Rayburn as a restructuring expert in part to renegotiate its contract with labor unions.
The company reached an agreement with its biggest union, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, on a contract that dramatically reduced pension contributions, as well as slashing wages and health benefits. But the company said the bakers union stopped returning its calls about a month ago.
The Teamsters urged the smaller union to hold a secret ballot on whether members wanted to continue striking. Many workers in the bakers union decided to cross picket lines last week but Hostess said it wasn't enough to keep operations at normal levels.
Teamsters General Secretary Ken Hall said the failure of the mediation talks Tuesday and the likely shuttering of the company was a "tragic outcome" for Hostess workers.
Rayburn said that Hostess was already operating on razor thin margins and that the strike was the final blow. The bakers union meanwhile pointed to the steep raises executives were given last year as the company was spiraling down toward bankruptcy.
The company's announcement last week that it would move to liquidate prompted a rush on Hostess treats across the country, with many businesses selling out of Twinkies within hours.
Even if Hostess goes out of business, its popular brands will likely find a second life after being snapped up by buyers. The company says several potential buyers have expressed interest in the brands. Although Hostess' sales have been declining in recent years, the company still does about $2.5 billion in business each year. Twinkies alone brought in $68 million so far this year.


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The legislation is being developed as members in both chambers of Congress are drafting their own immigration bills.
WASHINGTON — A draft of a White House immigration proposal obtained by USA TODAY would allow illegal immigrants to become legal permanent residents within eight years.
The plan also would provide for more security funding and require business owners to check the immigration status of new hires within four years. In addition, the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants could apply for a newly created "Lawful Prospective Immigrant" visa, under the draft bill being written by the White House.
If approved, they could then apply for the same provisional legal status for their spouse or children living outside the country, according to the draft.
The bill is being developed as members in both chambers of Congress are drafting their own immigration bills. In the House, a bipartisan group of representatives has been negotiating an immigration proposal for years and are writing their own bill. Last month, four Republican senators joined with four Democratic senators to announce their agreement on the general outlines of an immigration plan.
One of those senators, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said Obama's bill repeats the failures of past legislation and would be "dead on arrival" in Congress.
"It fails to follow through on previously broken promises to secure our borders, (and) creates a special pathway that puts those who broke our immigration laws at an advantage over those who chose to do things the right way and come here legally," Rubio said. "It would actually make our immigration problems worse."
The draft was obtained from an Obama administration official who said it was being distributed to various agencies. The official requested anonymity because he was not authorized to release the proposal publicly.
The bill mirrors many provisions of the bipartisan 2007 bill that was spearheaded by the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and ultimately failed.
In his first term, Obama often deferred to Congress on drafting and advancing major legislation, including the Affordable Care Act. He has openly supported the efforts in Congress to take the lead on immigration legislation, and just this week met with Democratic senators to discuss their proposals.
But two weeks ago in Las Vegas, while outlining his immigration plans, Obama made clear that he would not wait too long for Congress to get moving.
"If Congress is unable to move forward in a timely fashion, I will send up a bill based on my proposal and insist that they vote on it right away," he said.
White House spokesman Clark Stevens said Saturday that the administration continues to support the bipartisan efforts ongoing in Congress.
"The president has made clear the principles upon which he believes any common-sense immigration reform effort should be based," Stevens said. "We continue to work in support of a bipartisan effort, and while the president has made clear he will move forward if Congress fails to act, progress continues to be made and the administration has not prepared a final bill to submit."
According to the White House draft, people would need to pass a criminal background check, submit biometric information and pay fees to qualify for the new visa. If approved, they would be allowed to legally reside in the U.S. for four years, work and leave the country for short periods of time. After the four years, they could then reapply for an extension.
Illegal immigrants would be disqualified from the program if they were convicted of a crime that led to a prison term of at least one year, three or more different crimes that resulted in a total of 90 days in jail, or if they committed any offense abroad that "if committed in the United States would render the alien inadmissible or removable from the United States."
People currently in federal custody or facing deportation proceedings also could be allowed to apply for the Lawful Prospective Immigrant visa. Application forms and instructions would be provided in "the most common languages spoken by persons in the United States," but the application and all supporting evidence submitted to the federal government would have to be in English.
They would also be given a new identification card to show as proof of their legal status in the country.
The immigrants could then apply for legal permanent residence, commonly known as a green card, within eight years if they learn English and "the history and government of the United States" and pay back taxes. That would then clear the path for them to apply for U.S. citizenship.
To combat fraud, the draft proposes a new Social Security card be developed that is "fraud-resistant, tamper-resistant and wear-resistant." The Social Security Administration would be required to issue the new cards within two years.
A major requirement for many Republicans is enhanced border security. The bill calls for an unspecified increase in the Border Patrol, allows the Department of Homeland Security to expand technological improvements along the border and adds 140 new immigration judges to process the heavy flow of people who violate immigration laws.
It also orders U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to study whether a land-border crossing fee should be implemented to help offset border security costs. The draft also proposes raising many inspection fees that border-crossers already pay.
The draft bill proposes a new plan to allow Homeland Security to "accept donations" from citizens, businesses and local and state governments to improve ports of entry and security features along the border. And it would require CBP to begin collecting statistics on deaths along the border and report them quarterly.
The draft also expands the E-Verify program that checks the immigration status of people seeking new jobs. Businesses with more than 1,000 employees must begin using the system within two years, businesses with more than 250 employees within three years and all businesses within four years.
Homeland Security, working with the U.S. departments of Labor and Agriculture, the attorney general and other agencies, would engage in a $40 million-a-year program to educate business owners and workers about the program.
Homeland Security also would be required to submit a report within 18 months showing how the worker verification system is working, and specifically explain how it is affecting the nation's agriculture industry, which relies heavily on illegal immigrant workers.
The draft obtained by USA TODAY does not include sections that would alter the nation's legal immigration system to adjust the future flow of legal immigrants, which is expected to be a critical component of any immigration overhaul.


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Saturday, July 28, 2012
"Fragments" of the Eucharistic Species
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- Marko Ivančičević said...
I think that when the species of bread and wine lose their accidental properties on a chemical level, the Real Presence ceases to be.
Species of consecrated wine has it's own chemical formula. When particulated so much so as to loose chemical properties of species of wine i think the Real Presence stops. Just like in case of species of wine turning into winegar - it's chemical formula has changed because of natural laws and because the chemical properties have changed it is no longer to be considered to be species of wine and therefore we can't talk about Real Presence anymore. So when a particle would be so small that it couldn't still be considered wine i think the Real Presence would stop there.
Water is H2O. We can go into different sizes and shapes but it's still water. Even a molecule of water is still water. The word molecule here, only designates quantity. If we dissolve this molecule in 2 atoms of hydrogen and 1 atom of oxygen it is no longer water but just independent atoms(quantities) of hydrogen and oxygen.
I don't think we can stop at fenomenology and recognizing particles as bread. This could be subjectivism about Eucharistic species(i don't think it looks like bread therefore, Christ is not present there). Now it is important here to define the mode of recognition. If a person can't distinguish between some speck and particle of the Host because of his/her's poor eyesight i don't think it hinders the Real Presence. What if person i blind?
So what i would say about recognition is that, to recognize a particle of Eucharist having accidental(chemical) properties of bread or wine, is to determine whether this particle would be still considered to be bread/wine if it weren't consecrated. There must be some universal standard. If we are guided with what someone can see or distinguish, or with what can be regarded as species of bread/wine this would mean that there are many standards of "how small is too small" depending on number of persons. If two persons are faced with same small particle and one cannot distinguish it as species of bread and another can there is a problem - if depending on beholder, Real Presence would be and would not be, but we know that same thing cannot be and not be under same circumstances and that circumstances do not lay in beholder but in the object of beholding itself.
The other thing i wanted to say is something about particles stuck on priest's hands(or even on layman's hands). If there is a particle that cannot be clearly seen but it can be still considered to be bread(if scientifically tested) and if priest(or layman) has worthily done everything in his power to secure his hands of Particles for the sake of Holy Particles, i think that there the priest's(or laymans) responsibility for the Holy Particles ceases because he can't do anything more and he doesn't even know.
I am open for correction if there is any need of it. Also i am open for correction as regards to what you think to be "recognition" because i think there could be some misunderstanding between us, but still i posted this comment to express my thoughts and beliefs, and to find out if i don't hold to some heresy.
+ - July 28, 2012 at 2:35 AM
- Father Ryan Erlenbush said...
The issue is not whether "this" or "that" person is able to recognize the Eucharistic Species but (as I say above), the point is whether the particle itself is generally recognizable.
It is not subjective criterion, but objective -- "Does this particle still have the 'sign value' of bread?", if not, then it is not the Eucharist.
It cannot be reduced to the question of molecular structure ... for the Church has never defined it in this respect.
Further, while frozen wine has the same molecules as liquid wine, one cannot consecrate a frozen block of wine (for example).
... but my main point is that the criterion is not subjective -- can you or I recognize it.
Finally, if the separated molecules were still the Eucharist, then we would need to have a microscope in order to purify the vessels. - July 28, 2012 at 6:41 AM
Thank you Father for the Real Presence. This is meant to figurative and literal. I pray that by taking the host, we can be the host for Our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen!
- July 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM
- Unknown said...
"Excessive scrupulosity about such things will only cause the true faith to be ridiculed."
I am reminded of the old "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" question satirical of scholastic nit-picking. Nevertheless, as a Catholic in doubt of his own faith, I still do find that a certain degree of absurdity in this matter is NOT merely a result of nit-picking, but symbolic of a larger group of questions regarding the faith.
Take the question at hand. The Church has a doctrine, which it teaches the faithful, the majority of which probably are not too worried about microscopic pieces of the Host. Nevertheless, certain people (me included) want more clarity. The response to this, embodied in this article, is twofold (and somewhat paradoxical, even if not necessarily contradictory):
1) It is a matter of Aristotelian metaphysics. If the substance does not retain the accidental qualities of bread, then it does not function as a sign (namely, as the appropriate matter for consecration, namely bread) and thus ceases to be the Eucharist (and is thus no longer substantially Christ). Nevertheless, these qualities are only to be considered from the standpoint of ordinary human observation, and does not relate to qualities determinable through microscopic imaging devices, and so forth.
2) Don't ask too many detailed questions, because it makes this whole thing look ridiculous.
Now, there is a little bit of humor (from my vantage) in the divergence of these two answers. But as someone seeking a some sort of answer to my doubts, I hope you will indulge me in this question:
These explanations considering the sacraments continue to be framed in a more or less scholastic-Aristotelian vocabulary. However, most people (including myself) no longer consider things in this fashion, because more nuanced and accurate models of substances are possible. Do you believe the resistance to providing more detailed and scientific explanations of the sacrament related to the difficulty of translating explanation (1) into more relevant scientific terms, or is it a case of explanation (2), since attempting to describe the sacrament in modern scientific terms would be quite open to ridicule? Or is there another explanation? After all, the truth is that a particle not readily identifiable to the naked human eye as bread would still be readily identifiable thanks to its chemical properties (properties which do not have any ready analogue in Aristotelian vocabulary), meaning that identification of a particle as bread no longer relies solely on simple immediately verifiable outward accidents. Wouldn't this particle, identifiable through modern science indeed as bread, still be a sign? - July 28, 2012 at 10:48 AM
- Jack said...
How about if the consecrated wine freezes in the chalice after consecration.
Is it still the Precious Blood of Christ?
(I could tell you what the Russian Liturgikon says to do in that case, but I don't want to confuse the issue.) - July 28, 2012 at 11:38 AM
Excellent Post. I think that very few people these days take care of Consecrated particles. I for one would like more discussion on this matter. People just don't know and we can't rely on the priests to explain the teaching anymore. In my parish only a few people who receive on the Hand actually check thier hand and take care of any remaining particles. Once when I was distributing Holy Communion, I even saw a woman wipe them from her hand onto the floor. It's a huge mess. But it's born of ignorance rather than malice.
- July 28, 2012 at 11:46 AM
- Liam Ronan said...
I recall when I was an altar boy in the mid-60s that if a consecrated Host fell to the floor during the distribution of Holy Communion, the Host was placed on the paten, and the spot where the Host touched the ground was covered with a white cloth (about the size of the lavabo towel) and following Mass the priest, not the altar boy, would scrub the spot on his hands and knees.
I don't see anything of the sort, i.e. the scrubbing, any more. - July 28, 2012 at 12:06 PM
This is difficult and interesting stuff. Both Fr. and Marko agree that the eucharist must be recognized by some objective criterion. Marko says that it is the molecule of the thing. Fr. uses the criterion of 'so long as the eucharist retains the accidental properties of bread and wine,' or alternatively, 'does the particle still have the sign value of bread.' But Fr., neither of your criteria resolves the question of objectivity, because whether or not a thing retains its accidental properties or retains its sign value cannot be objectively determined by human beings in every instance. Unless Fr. you mean that it can be objectively determined by God.
So, I think the matter is not yet cleared up.
yan - July 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM
I second your suggestion that Communion in the hand be reconsidered. This practice does not inculcate the Catholic teaching that the consecrated Host is the Precious Body and Blood of Our Lord. I pray Communion in the hand becomes obsolete in the future. Great article, Father. Thank you! - July 28, 2012 at 2:07 PM
Well then, I guess there goes the rationale for that nauseating habit of some to lick their palms after receiving in-the-hand :)
- July 28, 2012 at 2:11 PM
- Unknown said...
I read your blog regularly, but, as my practice is with blogs, comment little. I want to take this post as an excellent opportunity to thank you for keeping your explanations of doctrine and dogma sensible and clear; not wandering into the arcane as your response here demonstrates.
God Bless you,
Lot - July 28, 2012 at 2:12 PM
- hurrrrrrrdurrrr said...
My favourite part:
First: "However, there is little benefit to be gained from delving into a debate about whether each atom of the Host is the Eucharist – of course it is!"
Then: "Therefore, those who are not careful with the Eucharistic particles, or who outright deny that Jesus is present in even small pieces of the Host, either do not believe in the Eucharist at all or are very foolish (since their own reasoning is self-contradictory)."
So far so good, but then:
A piece of the Host which is visible to the human eye (under usual conditions and without assistance) as what appears to be a piece of bread, is surely Jesus. However, those particles which are so small as to be invisible to the human eye, or to be indistinguishable from a particle of dust – these cannot any longer be the Eucharist.
Wow, no possible contradiction here! When are there enough grains of sand for there to be a heap? Is it when I see a heap of them? Can we finally decide once and for all how many angels can dance on the head of a pin (with scientific certainty no doubt)?
Father thank you so much for your blog. It makes me thankful for Vatican II - I don't get to feel that very often.
Sorry for the bite in my tone. You have a niche to fill here and were on the same team. I wont post here anymore, I'd just like to say that you could leave some room for those uninitiated who don't understand the full glory of scholasticism. - July 28, 2012 at 5:15 PM
- Marko Ivančičević said...
What does it mean that the particle itself is generally recognizable? What is the sign value of the bread? By what objective standard is sign value determined?
*Frozen wine.
Although the frozen wine is still wine it has to be in liquid state because our Saviour has instituted it thus, and has limited the qualities of wine required for consecration to the liquid state, because He wished it so and because He did so. I don't think that wine loses it's sign value when frozen, and i don't think our Lord is limited by the aggregate state of species but simply wanted this to be so. This requirement for wine to be in a liquid state is also proven from Tradition and practice of the Church.
*Criterion is not subjective
But how can my eyesight be an objective criterion of what does or doesn't posess the sign value of bread? As i said - what does it mean to be generally recognizable? I also add - what are those usual conditions that you mention in the post?
*Separated molecules
I will repeat myself on this: "If there is a particle that cannot be clearly seen but it can be still considered to be bread(if scientifically tested) and if priest(or layman) has worthily done everything in his power to secure his hands of Particles for the sake of Holy Particles, i think that there the priest's(or laymans) responsibility for the Holy Particles ceases because he can't do anything more and (because) he doesn't even know(that there are some particles left).".
"The Church teaches that the Eucharistic Presence (...) retains the accidental properties of bread and wine."
Firstly, if bread were to be dissolved into molecules it would still be bread. So this means that if something would happen to species, that would also cause that the species (if it were not consecrated) cease to be what they are, the Real Presence would cease. I mentioned the case of winegar to show that chemistry matters. I think that chemistry is one of accidental properties and i don't consider it to be limiting or reductive. On the contrary - we are limited by our eyesight and our senses, but things are what they are even if we cannot perceive them without aid to our senses, and the category of chemistry deepens and broadens the "possibility" of a thing to still be what it is if particulated more and more. Since science is now more advanced, something can look and taste like bread but it doesn't really have to be bread, and those things(being or not being bread) are determined by chemistry of the mentioned object. So chemistry must be considered as one of the chief accidental properties of some object.
Also if we cannot say that molecules of bread are to be considered as valid matter for the Eucharist, then we must say that there is a limitation to size(and quantity) which gives the bread the property of sign value and therefore the characteristic of being a valid matter for the Eucharist. This limitation must be absolute and objective - and we agree on that. And that brings us back to the first questions about size and quantity. What is this size? Is it the size of general recognizability? What is the size of general recognizability? What is sign value of the bread(and wine)? Etc.
Also if the Church teaches that the species must exist for Real Presence to be maintained, doesn't this logic of "ceasing of Real Presence by Eucharistic speices loosing their sign value" lead us to conclude that the species are not species anymore if they don't posess the sign value? If that were true, it also had to be true that the ordinary bread would cease to be bread if it lost it's sign value, because(in that case) this would be the underlaying cause of "ceasing of the Real Presence by Eucharistic species loosing their sign value".
I am truly sorry for the long comment but those were my inferences and questions.
Pax+ - July 28, 2012 at 8:28 PM
This subject has always made me wonder why the differences in the way the Most Holy Eucharist is handled and distributed between the Extraordinary and Ordinary Rites of the Mass. In the former rite, the utmost care and respect is given to prevent it from any accident or abuse in it's distribution. The Priest who consecrated the Host handled and distributed it and his fingers that touched the Host were kept together until purified. Patens were used to prevent the Host from accidentally being dropped. Now the Precious Hosts are passed from hand to hand sometimes very casually and even the precious Blood is easily subject to losing drops to the floor and being stepped on especially in the haste to process as many people through the lines as fast as possible. I experience this maze each Sunday and feel like an object on an assembly line. I know the intentions of most EMHC's are honorable, however,the concept does little to enhance the belief in the Real Presense in today's world filled with doubts.
Gino R. - July 28, 2012 at 8:45 PM
- Jack said...
\\I second your suggestion that Communion in the hand be reconsidered. This practice does not inculcate the Catholic teaching that the consecrated Host is the Precious Body and Blood of Our Lord.\\
Not true.
Receiving the Body of Christ in the hand is the normal practice of the Assyrian Church of the East. It is also directed by rubric in the Byzantine Liturgy of St. James. The Churches that use the Divine Liturgies have never denied the truth that the bread becomes the Body.
OTOH, the first Book of Common Prayer of 1549 commanded communion on the tongue, with explicit denial that this was indeed the true Body of Christ. - July 28, 2012 at 11:10 PM
If I can go off topic a wee bit, in the Gospel of St. John it says in 6:9 "There is a boy here that hath five barley loaves, and two fishes; but what are these among so many?" And then Jesus takes the offering and says the blessing. Would this be an early depiction of what become known as an altar boy? Or am reaching too much from that passage. Thank you, Father! - July 29, 2012 at 12:20 AM
Neither here nor there:
In the movie THE LEFT OF GOD, Humphrey Bogart played a priest impersonator. If the bread & wine he consecrated did not become the sacred species, what happened to the faithful who received communion?
I believe the MOMENT the sacred host or wine mixes with human saliva, the commingling of the human & the Divine is complete, the species subsist no more. - July 29, 2012 at 9:24 AM
- Marko Ivančičević said...
@Anonymus of July 29, 2012 9:24 AM
Numerous saints and doctors of the Church have taught that the Presence remains even up to fifteen minutes after consumation of Body of Christ because the Eucharistic species is not completely dissolved immediately after consumation. The cathecism of st. Pius of X explicitly says that we should avoid spitting for some time after consumation of Body of Christ(On Eucharist 48.q.) - July 29, 2012 at 11:51 AM
- Father Ryan Erlenbush said...
@Anonymous and Marko,
Yes, of course Christ is still present when the Host is in our mouth ... the idea that simply touching the Host to saliva would make it no more the Eucharist is just as silly as thinking that any food ceases to be what it is simply by touching our tongue!
Thank you, Marko, for the comment! + - July 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM
- Father Ryan Erlenbush said...
Clinton R,
I love the connection between the boy and the altar boys! + - July 29, 2012 at 11:54 AM
First of all, there are no "bread molecules." Bread is a more or less homogenous mixture of various compounds.
Now, the relevant canons state:
"Can. 924 §1. The most holy eucharistic sacrifice must be offered with bread and with wine in which a little water must be mixed.
§2. The bread must be only wheat and recently made so that there is no danger of spoiling.
§3. The wine must be natural from the fruit of the vine and not spoiled."
Now, wheat is itself a heterogeneous substance containing a variety of compounds, and the exact mixture of these compounds depends from variety to variety. The only compositional substance that seems to be "necessary" (from an authoritative standpoint) is the protein gluten. It doesn't apparently matter how much else of the wheat plant is used, because the flour can be made from wheat with or without the germ or the bran. So, we can give a more modern definition that legitimate bread for Eucharistic purposes is composed of gluten and other incidental proteins as well as other optional and variable component parts of a wheat grain, sufficiently baked.
So, Marko, it's not so much a matter of seeing if it is a "bread molecule." I suppose the only thing you could do is analyze a sample to see if it meets the above criteria: does it contain gluten and incidental wheat components?
That being said, all this talk about "can you tell if it's bread" seems rather...subjective and even whimsical, to say the least. Bread does not cease to be bread simply because it is small. Assumedly there would be a point at which a particle does not have a single protein chain of gluten, but such microscopic fragments would not even qualify as appearing like "dust" (which is a catch-all word for a variety of substances, NOT a substance in itself).
So then, the question: if these crumbs are no longer Jesus, then what are they? Did it "revert" to bread? Because under any non-arbitrary definition of "bread" it is still bread. - July 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM
- Iowa Mike said...
At the NO parish in my area they use many Extraordinary Ministers. The priest only cleanses the chalice used at the consecration at the end of mass. A EM usually collects all of the vessels used by during mass and takes them back into the sacristy to be cleansed in a Sacrarium. Also the purificators are taken back to be rinsed in the Scrarium before laundering. All of the vessels I believe, including the chalice used by the priest at the consecration, are so cleansed. I was always taught that the vessels were not purified until cleansed in the Scrarium, am I wrong.
Also I am concerned that when the EM collects the vessels they will often stop and chat with people in the nave on the way to the sacristy, is this licit? - July 29, 2012 at 4:04 PM
- sepryor said...
Excellent post. This is a subject that is widely misunderstood from a wide perspective. Our priest need to do more to educate the faithful on this subject.
- July 29, 2012 at 8:45 PM
- Koko said...
marko, bread is an aggregate, not a simple chemical element or composite. So much for the molecules of bread. As far as a more modern scientific explanation, there can't be any, for modern science only deals with material, empirical phenomena and ignores metaphysics. But metaphysics is no nonsense, since it delves into the underlying principle of all beings,as for instance, the fact that I am not just the sum of all my atoms and particles, because no purely material rhing can reflect of itself as we do when we are conscious of our I.
- July 30, 2012 at 6:24 AM
- Marko Ivančičević said...
Father, could you please adress my comment from July 28, 2012 8:28 PM? ...the big one...if you have time...
- July 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Father Ryan, what does someone like myself do when they are in a parish where no care is taken or given to Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament? We had a "change of guard" (two new priests) this month, and they undid in one month what the other two priests took years to accomplish. I am heartbroken. Can you give me some pointers to help me cope with this?
Thank you and God bless you!
Veronica - July 31, 2012 at 3:34 PM
Gino R., I can relate. It is a sad spectacle to behold. All the more reason why we should stay to make reparation for what goes on.
God have mercy on us!
Veronica - July 31, 2012 at 3:37 PM
- Steven R said...
Scotty Ellis,
It is not necessary at all to explain the Sacraments in terms of medieval Aristotelian metaphysics, as if God had given the Apostles these things. If you find the scholastic medieval approach to understanding the Sacraments then go and read those of our Eastern Catholic brethren who have the same faith but different expression. It seems to me that much of your exasperation regarding the faith is to try and know and explain things which a mind that struggles with faith ought not even consider to try to know before taking the first few steps in faith.
There is a reason that the early Church did not reveal its mysteries to those outside the Church. They did not have adequate faith and so could not adequately understand, as St. Augustine writes to have faith seeking understanding. There are adequate questions to these questions but the answers will not save your soul. Only due prayer, humility, temperance, and God's grace can save a soul.
I do not mean to be a nuisance to you so as to repudiate you, and we've spoken before, but I implore you to take good consideration of your soul. If you find prayer difficult, read the spiritual classics of the saints, like St. Augustine's Confessions. Faith is difficult to have as an intellectual model, but be attentive and let God grant you faith for His yoke is light and easy. Faith is primarily a trust and hope in things unseen, specifically those mysteries of God. Trust God.
Regarding the Holy Eucharist, Christ Himself, the Church doesn't need to explain itself in terms of Aristotelian metaphysics and even the Council of Trent does not speak in an Aristotelian sense when it says that the wine and bread change into the Body and Blood under the appearance (species) of bread and wine. That is why the good Father has explained that if the appearance of bread and wine is no longer discernible naturally that the Real Presence has ended. It is possible that the good Father is wrong on this matter, but what is important is to seek God's truth in love and humility to Him who holds us to account for our words to one another. Your charge that Holy Mother Church asks us to not ask too many questions is uncharitable. Did you not hear Christ's words, "Ask, and it shall be given, seek, and it shall be revealed, knock, and it shall be opened unto you." But in your asking remember that you, and each one of us, comes as a beggar to the Church and to the Lord to grant us His wisdom. It cannot be snatched from books, but must be something revealed to us by God in prayer. We can learn doctrines but to give up humility and charity and right worship of God is to gain nothing but words.
I hope that God helps you in your crisis of faith. I understand your question regarding molecules, and if you have due patience, perhaps God will answer you.
God bless. - July 31, 2012 at 7:09 PM
@Responsible Thinker [RT],
Good work pointing out that neither bread nor wine can be chemically represented in an absolute manner.
Nevertheless, your analysis is still basically the same as Marko's.
The sign value theory and the accidents theory are at odds when we consider, as we have been reminded, that Christ remains in us so long as the accidents remain. However, while Christ is in us, it cannot be said that His presence remains by virtue of the sign value of the sacrament, since no one sees the consecrated bread once it has been consumed. Thus He must remain and subsist by some other means.
Above Fr you say that we would need a microscope to purify vessels if we do not accept the sign value theory. I'm not sure why that would necessarily be the case. If microscopic bits of consecrated bread or wine remain, how could their presence cause the vessels to be impure?
So, I think we have to admit that Marko is substantially correct, while adding that RT is also correct to point out that we cannot even make the final determination of whether the eucharist remains on a microscopic level because we cannot definitively answer the question 'when does bread cease to be bread.'
yan - August 1, 2012 at 1:06 AM
- DomJP said...
Father your opinion please. I have been invited on a retreat that involves abstaining from the most Holy Eucharist for 2 days and then receiving at Mass on the third 'to make it like the first time again'. This fills me with dread and puts me off what appears to be an otherwise worthwhile and solid retreat. How could turning down communion with God be of benefit to one in the state of grace? My whole life is centered on daily reception of the Body and Blood of Jesus and the very thought of a day without this supreme gift of love pains me. Your opinion please and any enlightenment from the Fathers or Saints would be morst appreciated. Dominic John Paul
- August 1, 2012 at 5:24 PM
@ Jack (July 28, 2012 11:10 PM )
This is a common antiquarianistic argument used by proponents of all the novel practices – an obvious thing is that eastern Churches generally haven't undergone the theological and liturgical development which happened in the Latin Church from Scholastic period and onwards. The precise reason why the Protestants have banned communion on tongue and introduced communion in hand (as well as other novelties which show an astonishing parallel with the Novus Ordo reform: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/newmass/ordo.htm ) is abandonment of the belief in Real Presence, and as we look at the current situation in the Church, we could well recognize the results of such reforms. So obviously, communion in hand has very different significance in context of Eastern Churches which manage to conserve its antique status of ecclesiastical life, and in the Latin Church in which the whole situation is much diverse and 'developed' in some sense.
It is also well worth noting that the EMHCs are mere abuse to the true requirements of the liturgy – the document Redemptionis Sacramentum establishes clear conditions regarding circumstances when there actually happens to be an extraordinary situation, and accordingly the extraordinary ministers could be used – and we all well know that none of this circumstances really occur, but that the actual practice of introducing EMs is a result of pure minimalism and laicising, modernistic process which is widespread in the Church. - August 3, 2012 at 3:00 AM
- The Woman of the House said...
Dom JP, do you have to go on that retreat? It sounds really misguided. I got stuck on a non Eucharistic retreat one time, and boy did I regret it, because in the end, there were lots of other problems there (theological and otherwise) that stemmed from the other.
Listen to your gut!
God bless you, - August 8, 2012 at 1:27 PM
- DomJP said...
My dear Woman of the house, thanks! I have decided against the retreat, I can see no benefit from abstaining from the Eucharist when one is in a state of grace. It seems to me like abstaining from breathing and praying, in short from Life itself. Perhaps dear Father can suggest some wisdom from Tradition on this matter although I fear I should have posed this question on the Ask Father thread. God bless you.
- August 10, 2012 at 6:19 PM
- Unknown said...
It seems the gathering of the little left overs, from the twelve (tribe) baskets so that none be lost can show that all can recognize the many "particles" as the single whole He broke apart here in this lower world of duality. I recall He said " I am with you always", which means we have been with His singularity always. It is a mystery to the carnal mind.
- August 22, 2012 at 9:30 PM
- Archpriest John Morris said...
I can tell you what the Orthodox do if the wine freezes. It was freezing in the mountains of Cappadocia. That is why we pour hot water into the chalice before Communion. I believe that every particle is the body and blood of Christ. That is why we are very careful to consume every particle and drop of wine. During the Presanctified Divine Liturgy, a piece of the host upon which a few drops of wine is consecrated during the Divine Liturgy before the Presanctified Divine Liturgy is served later in the week is broken off and placed in the Chalice of unconsecrated wine. The mixing of the unconsecrated wine with the consecrated host which also has consecrated wine on it consecrates the entire chalice of wine. If I should notice that I have not consecrated enough wine I pour more wine into the chalice. The unconsecrated wine is consecrated by being united with the consecrated wine. Thus Christ is present in the smallest particle of the host and smallest drop of the consecrated wine.
Archpriest John W. Morris - August 24, 2012 at 9:41 PM
- Father Ryan Erlenbush said...
Thank you for providing the details regarding the Orthodox practice! Very interesting!
Regarding the mixture of wine with a particle of the Host ... this cannot consecrate that wine ... for the wine is consecrated by the prayer of the priest.
In days past, there was some debate about this ... but the faith of the Church is that the consecration is effected through the words ... Trent condemns anything else as a heresy.
Peace! + - August 25, 2012 at 6:39 PM
Fr i have found Our Lord on the floor over 160 times. No assistance ever. No relief. It is about faith in Christ. I keep you in my prayers.
- September 9, 2012 at 2:11 PM
Where've you been? Come back! I miss this blog!!
- September 11, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Anonymous 4:14, thank you. I, too, am wondering what happened to Father!
Veronica - September 13, 2012 at 1:22 PM
- Father Ryan Erlenbush said...
To all:
Don't worry! I will be back to posting soon! Things are just soooo busy here at the parish, preparing for the Year of Faith.
Expect a post around the end of next week, which will explain that I will be back to very regular posting again by October!
Thank you all for your prayers! :-) - September 13, 2012 at 5:17 PM
- Steve Martin said...
We love that the Lord has given us this wonderful gift of Himself, in the bread and the wine.
To invite us, real sinners, to His table, is absolutely marvelous.
Thank you. - September 15, 2012 at 5:12 AM
With Communion in the hand a practice in churches throughout the world, is it a given that there will be Particles around the altar where people have received? Then are people walking over Our Lord inadvertently? I am not a peace and somewhat afraid to step in my church after this consideration (and I have a basically good parish). What about those who sneeze, etc. after receiving? Any enlightenment would be appreciated. I know Our Lord gave us this Wonderful Sacrament as a Gift, but what if parishioners are not educated in the Fact that Our Lord is Present in each Particle? Thanks.
- October 6, 2012 at 9:08 AM
- DO said...
I am not arguing... just trying to get a better understanding:
How can it be said that whether or not the Eucharistic species remains can be determined by whether or not the size of the particle in question appears larger than a dust particle, and seems to the viewer to be a bread fragment? We mustn't subjectivize the real Presence... a given particle either is Jesus, or is not Jesus. The problem is, we are using the word "appearance" equivocally here. Whether or not the *appearance* of bread and wine remain is not a function of whether or not it *appears to us* to be bread or wine, it is a fact pertaining to the accidents themselves, not our perception of them.
Now, the dissolving of flour in water (or stomach acid, of course) renders it no longer flour. But the careful removal of a tiny particle of flour from a spoonful of flour; a particle so small it seems a mere dust particle, does not render this particle no longer flour -- It is indeed still flour, even if it does not appear to usu to be that (right?).
(I certainly agree that no one is culpable for the sin of Eucharistic desecration if the particle in question was indinstinguishable to them from a dust particle... unless his act was voluntary in cause by willfully lacking the care due.) - March 11, 2013 at 10:00 AM
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