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Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart's muscular wall, the myocardium. Although rare, it can be devastating. Myocarditis can occur with no symptoms and remain undiagnosed.
Many cases of myocarditis have no identifiable cause. This is called idiopathic myocarditis. When a cause is identified, it falls into one of 3 categories:
- Infectious—bacterial, viral, or fungal
- Toxic—medications, or exposure to heavy metals, toxins, or physical agents (shock, radiation)
- Immune-mediated—allergic reactions, heart transplant rejection, or autoantigens (which may be present in autoimmune disorders)
Some people have no symptoms of myocarditis. In those that have them, symptoms can vary from person-to-person depending on the cause and the severity. Symptoms may appear slowly or come on suddenly.
- Flu-like complaints, including fever, fatigue, muscle pain, vomiting, diarrhea, and weakness
- Rapid or irregular heart rate
- Chest pain
- Shortness of breath and respiratory distress
- Loss of consciousness
- Sudden, unexpected death
Sudden, intense myocarditis can lead to heart failure.
The diagnosis of myocarditis is often difficult. There is no specific test for it. Many other causes of heart problems must be ruled out. To do this, your doctor will ask about your symptoms and medical history. A physical exam will be done.
Tests may include:
- Blood tests to look for specific cardiac enzymes
- Electrocardiogram (EKG)—records the heart's activity by measuring electrical currents through the heart muscle
- Chest x-ray
- Biopsy—removal of a sample of heart tissue to test for infection
Imaging tests evaluate the heart and surrounding structures:
The universally recommended therapy for myocarditis is bedrest, no physical activity, and supplemental oxygen. Corticosteroids may be given to help inflammation. You will most likely be admitted to a hospital.
Specific treatment is directed at the underlying cause if possible. For instance:
- If the cause is a bacterial infection, antibiotics are prescribed.
- If it is viral, antiviral agents will be prescribed.
- Immunosuppressive therapy may be used if myocarditis is due to an autoimmune disorder such as lupus or scleroderma.
If heart failure symptoms are present, medications are given to support the function of the heart. These include diuretics, angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors, beta-blockers, and anti-arrhythmic agents.
Additionally, a defibrillator, which helps maintain the normal rhythm of the heart, may be implanted into your chest. Severe cases may require a cardiac transplant.
To help reduce your chance of myocarditis, reduce your exposure to identified causes:
- Practice good hygiene to avoid the spread of infection. For example, wash your hands regularly.
- Always use latex condoms during sexual activity.
- Have sex with only one partner, who has sex only with you.
- Do not use illegal drugs.
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http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011...h-dwane-casey/SI.com: It seems like youve been in the running for every head-coaching job over the last few seasons only to watch someone else get hired. Former Celtics assistant Tom Thibodeau went through the same thing before the Bulls hired him last year. Did you ever feel like maybe you just werent going to get a second chance?
Casey: [Laughing] Tom and I were the like twins going through the interview process. We are both coaches who did not play in the league, and a lot of our work was unnoticed and unglamorous. Tom did a great job in Chicago last season, and Im so happy for him. Again, theres always a reason you dont get hired. Thats not an excuse. I dont think any other coach was more prepared than I was, but everybody just has a different taste, a different flavor. But I never laid awake at night thinking about it. I had jobs to do in Seattle and Dallas.
SI.com: I wont rehash the whole Chris Mills/Kentucky scandal here, but you won a lot of money in the lawsuit that followed, and youve basically been vindicated. Still, did you feel you just couldnt get a job in college basketball after that? Did you try?
Casey: I interviewed a couple of times, including at Western Kentucky University, after all of that stuff happened. But it was clear to be that I was an NBA guy through and through. I just didnt want to go back and deal with the recruiting aspect of college basketball.
SI.com: Youre known first as a defense guy, and now youre going to coach the team that has been the worst defensive team in the league over the last couple of seasons. Do you have a read on why theyve struggled so much?
Casey: Its a little early to say, even though Ive watched a lot of game film. But the why is not important to me. I dont know why, really. Its a team that has the athletic pieces to be a better defensive team.
Its all about what you emphasize as a coach. Jay [Triano] has done an excellent job at creating an offensive atmosphere, and I dont want to take away from that. But we have to have a defensive emphasis. We have to create a defensive identity. Every single day there will be a theme of the day about defense, whether it be working on one thing in regard to the pick-and-roll or man-to-man or whatever. There will be a theme every day until we get an identity we can compete with.
SI.com: Do you mean that literally that every time you guys practice or watch film, there will be one theme youll focus on?
Casey: Yes, exactly. Thats how you build. Take the defensive stance thats the most fundamental thing. Thats something we did in Dallas, in terms of going back to the fundamentals and working on that defensive stance so that you are ready to move and go. We are starting from scratch here in Toronto.
SI.com: Youre an advanced stats guy, right? You look at points per possession, plus/minus and five-man lineups, right?
Casey: Oh, yeah. That started for me in Seattle, where we had Dean Oliver [now ESPN's director of production analytics]. I didnt really understand the value of those numbers at that point, even though Wally Walker [a longtime Seattle executive] was really pushing us to embrace it. But being from the old school of coaching, I didnt really know what to do with all of it.
And in Minnesota, we just didnt have anything like that. But in Dallas, Rick Carlisle and Mark Cuban have embraced analytical numbers, and they have been so valuable to us in terms of what lineups we put on the floor. And I know Toronto already has guys in place who do this. This is the new wave in the NBA.
SI.com: So you probably know about Basketball Value, the Web site that lists numbers for every five-man lineup. When you look at Torontos lineups, you see immediately that almost every one that played a lot struggled on defense. And when you dig deeper, you see that nearly every lineup that included Andrea Bargnani was awful defensively. This is my way of asking: Can you build a good defensive team with Bargnani on the back line? Is it possible? How do you do it?
Casey: Well, hes not going to be our starting center, really [because he's more of a power forward]. Hes in a similar situation with Dirk Nowitzki at this point in his career. Id have to check their numbers, but Id venture to say at this point in his career, hes probably somewhere in the same area where Dirk was, where both have had to live down the reputation of being soft. And by the way, Dirk has never been anywhere near soft. Dont ever use that word with him.
SI.com: I wont! Believe me!
Casey: Because hes one of the toughest, hardest-working guys in the league. I dont know Andrea. All I know is what Ive read and seen. I am excited to get to know him. Hes going to get better defensively, and hes a great offensive player. But we have to work with him, coach him up and put him in the right situations so he is not exposed as much. I think Amir Johnson can be an above-average defender in the same position, and that we can put someone like Amir in a system so that Andrea is not exposed as much.
Look, our challenge is to find a five-man unit that is above-average defensively. Who that five will be, I just dont know at this point. But when you win 22 games, youve got to change things. You cant come back with the status quo.
SI.com: Sticking with defense You were an assistant with the Sonics in their 1990s prime and now with Dallas. Those teams, on the surface, would appear to be very different Seattle with all those athletes flying around in that crazy defense, and the old Mavericks getting by with guile. But were there principles both defenses shared? Stuff we should watch for in Toronto?
Casey: Its funny, because people mostly remember Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp from those Seattle teams, and they were both really athletic and flying everywhere. But we also had an older Detlef Schrempf, an older Sam Perkins, an older Nate McMillan and other veterans like we had in Dallas.
And in Dallas, we had Tyson Chandler all over the place in the paint and on the perimeter. He was like our version of Gary Payton. Both teams were similar in that on the fly we could change defenses, switch, double-team, go into zone, that kind of thing. There was a method to the madness in both places.
SI.com: I have to say, I watch and re-watch a lot of basketball and a lot of individual possessions, and the Mavs are the only team over the last few years where Id watch a quick possession three or four times and not be able to decide whether you guys were playing zone or man.
Casey: Well, thats a compliment to us. Youre not an idiot. You want your zone to look like man, and you want your man to look like zone. The mix of the two is beautiful. You want to guard the ball man-to-man and play zone on the weak side. But both defenses should look the same.
SI.com: Will we see that kind of thing in Toronto? Do you have the right personnel?
Casey: Its too early now. Ive got to have a training camp before we make that kind of decision.
SI.com: Howd you get that job as an assistant for the Sonics, anyway? You were coaching in Japan at the time, right?
Casey: Yes. It was through George Karl. We met one summer at the NBA Summer League, and he told me that Bob Kloppenburg, his lead assistant, was retiring. He was looking for someone to fill the position, and he asked me.
SI.com: Just like that? You must have had some prior relationship, right?
Casey: We had crossed paths on Shawn Kemp, since I had recruited him to Kentucky and coached him there, and the Sonics drafted him not long after that. So Shawn is really what connected us.
SI.com: And did you jump at the Sonics offer right away?
Casey: I did, but Ill tell you what: It was a huge pay cut for me.
SI.com: From coaching in Japan in the 1990s?
Casey: Oh, yeah. Japan was paying pretty well, between my work with the national team and the club team. But I wasnt complaining.
SI.com: Talk about Coach Karl a bit. Tell us something about him that maybe doesnt get enough coverage.
Casey: Ill tell you this: He is one of the best as far as being innovative and different on defense. A lot of what we see now in the league came from him the trapping, the double-teaming, showing hard on pick-and-rolls and the way he took advantage of the old illegal defense rules. All those innovative and non-traditional schemes, he was huge with that.
SI.com: Random question: Whos your favorite player youve ever coached?
Casey: Oh, wow. I couldnt possibly pick one. I mean, we had Patrick Ewing, Gary Payton, Bill Cartwright, so many Hall of Fame guys Dirk and Jason Kidd in Dallas, too. Sam Perkins, he was such a great player. Some people dont realize how good he was. Even a guy like Ewing, who we had at the tail end of his career in Seattle, he was still so smart and effective in the paint.
SI.com: Another random one: Could you make the argument that Kevin Garnett is the best defensive player since Bill Russell?
Casey: Absolutely. You could make that argument, yes. He is one of the best I have ever seen.


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Continuing a tradition that I started in 2010 and continued in 2011, I am posting a "psychic roundup" to celebrate the end of one Julian calendar year and bring in the next. In previous years, I have focused on Coast to Coast AM audience and professional predictions, and my conclusion has been, in one word: Bad. Average around 6% correct.
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If it would not be too much trouble, perhaps Sheriff Spruell could list all the laws that he feels are just and enforceable, and which are not. It would be a great convenience for the citizenry if we could predict the likely repercussions of our transgressions (or not) as we go about our business. For, as we all know, bad laws and bad lawmen breed nothing but contempt for the law.
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hould the value of your gift voucher fall short of the value of your order, you can settle the difference using a credit card.
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You may visit the Fogal website at any time without entering or saving any personal information about yourself. However, to continuously improve the quality of the website, we save data about access to the various pages. This data is saved without being associated with any particular user; this means that the information remains anonymous and will not allow any conclusions to be drawn regarding your identity.
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We offer you additional services, for which we require your approval:
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- Anonymous said...
Snobbery, pure and simple.
- 21 November 2011 at 13:56
- Lou Baker said...
On balance ... a restauranteur is unlikely to come forward to take it over.
In this economic climate turning down a successful business is an absolutely barking decision. Barking.
Jobs could have been created. That opportunity has now gone.
This is another hollow victory for the Guardian reading corduroy brigade. Decent folk everywhere should wince when we see the damage these misguided fools inflict on our society.
- 21 November 2011 at 14:00
- mikey said...
Maybe. But sometimes snobbery can be a good thing.
- 21 November 2011 at 14:02
- Simon said...
I am totally with Nick on this. If Domino's had been granted change of use, HOP would have lost an attractive restaurant site. There must be other options open to Domino's in the area and I sincerely hope they are successful in finding a suitable unit.
@ Anon 13.56 - How is this snobbery?
Nobody is suggesting Domino's shouldn't be allowed to set up shop locally. The objections have been based on us losing an attractive restaurant space locally. It will be much easier for Domino's to find a suitable unit for takeaway than it will for a someone looking for restaurant space in the area.
Anon, your comment sounds chippy - pure and simple!
- 21 November 2011 at 14:06
- Simon said...
@Lou - I agree with you on most things and an established chain moving into the area does have its benefits.
That said, I still think we will get a Domino's and I also believe the Old Bank will be snapped up by someone wanting to use it as a restaurant.
I don't think this is a hollow victory for the Guardian reading corduroy brigade on this occasion.
If the property stands empty for a long time then yes, perhaps Domino's should take it. If not, then we may have a new decent restaurant.
- 21 November 2011 at 14:11
- Brockley Nick said...
@Lou - what happen to your love of entrepreneurs? On the basis of what market intelligence do you say that a restaurant wouldn't work there? And did you read the stuff about the fact that a Domino's at that spot could damage the existing businesses located there? And the point that Domino's are more than capable of finding another nearby location? Do you disagree?
- 21 November 2011 at 14:17
- fattyfatty said...
Lou i usually agree with you too, but think that this site is too prime a pitch for a Dominos. A bar or other restaurant would be a much better use. Cheap pizzas are catered for elsewhere on the parade.
- 21 November 2011 at 14:18
- DJ said...
Lou, I rarely agree with you and you're wrong in this case too.
It's an excellent decision. There are loads of vacant shops that Dominos could open in - why needlessly destroy a precious resource.
Honor Oak is on the up and a decent restaurant could do very well there.
- 21 November 2011 at 14:29
- Anonymous said...
Brockley Nick obviously doesn't understand the state of the current restaurant market, or the area he lives in.
Next week another viable business is bullied into submission by the house price gestapo...
- 21 November 2011 at 15:12
- Anonymous said...
I didn't realise the Domino Gestapo read this!
- 21 November 2011 at 15:20
- Matt-Z said...
Good news. There are umpteen suitable empty shops in Brockley, Crofton Park and Honor Oak. The old Bank premises has great potential. I wouldn't be surprised if an up and coming pub chain like Antic wanted to reopen it as a new bar. There must be a lot of unmet demand in the area.
- 21 November 2011 at 15:23
- Anonymous said...
Honour Oak is pretty quiet not sure even a good bar would work there. Haven't others already come and gone?
- 21 November 2011 at 15:28
- Michael said...
Plenty of additional discussion at http://www.se23.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4925&page=1
Domino's use of this site would have been a waste of good retail space at the most prime retail location in Honor Oak.
This would make an excellent pub or restaurant, or even a good old bank. But to use such a large unit purely to bake pizza for delivery would have been a terrible waste. This would be true if it were any pizza delivery business, even Fortnum and Mason's pizza delivery service.
There has even been rumour that a well known local pub chain might have been interested in this location.
If this really were purely about snobbery then I don't think we would have seen the council officers rejecting the application without even taking it to a planning committee. This proves how right the hundreds of objectors were in caring for a prime unit in their local area, the impact 7 motorcycles parked outside, and the impact on existing businesses, at least two of which would likely be empty within a few months of Dominos opening.
Despite this I would agree that it is not a complete victory until there is a viable business open in this great location.
- 21 November 2011 at 15:29
- Lou Baker said...
Wow. People who agree with me. This area is changing for the better.
@nick - to answer your 3 points:
1) I don't doubt a restaurant could work there. But where is this restaurant going to come from? People are not queuing up to start businesses now. If there was a viable restaurant plan on the table - great, go for it. But there isn't.
2) I am sure Dominos could indeed find another spot. But it will, obviously, delay any opening and ensure that a few dozen staff spend another six months on benefits instead. This does not seem sensible.
3) As for 'ruining other businesses' - I have little respect for this argument. Good businesses will survive regardless, bad ones will close down. I do not believe we should assume a business is good because it's small and local or that it's bad because it's large and national. There are good small businesses and good bigs ones. And bad ones in both categories too. I believe good businesses thrive because they're good businesses and bad ones don't because they're not. Dominos opening nearby makes not a jot of difference.
(I am now awaiting complaints from owners of bad businesses who don't realise that their problems are caused by their businesses being bad).
- 21 November 2011 at 15:32
- fidgad said...
Perhaps Domino's could go for the Masons that's empty
- 21 November 2011 at 15:36
- Anonymous said...
That's it, I'm moving back to the home counties!
- 21 November 2011 at 15:40
- DJ said...
A 'few dozen staff' Lou? For a takeaway pizza place? Bollocks.
And the poor things on benefits too!
This is desperate stuff, even for you.
Admit it, you're wrong. Dominos will be up and running in a nearby premises soon and the Old Bank will be available for a more suitable business.
- 21 November 2011 at 15:52
- The anon from the other thread said...
"But where is this restaurant going to come from?" tm2 has a new purchaser that is looking to do things better, brockley market shows there is a pent up demand for quality. Could go on but as you've used "brigade" in your post I can't be arsed.
All heat and no light from you. As usual.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:00
- Simon said...
@Lou - How can you be sure that Domino's HOP staff will be taken straight off the dole queue?
I agree that good businesses survive because they are good businesses and I don't think a Domino's would have too much of an adverse affect on the parade.
If Domino's were an eat-in restaurant as well as a take-away I'd have no objections to them opening in that site although I would personally love it to be a Pizza Express.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:00
- Simon said...
@Lou - How can you be sure that Domino's HOP staff will be taken straight off the dole queue?
I agree that good businesses survive because they are good businesses and I don't think a Domino's would have too much of an adverse affect on the parade.
If Domino's were an eat-in restaurant as well as a take-away I'd have no objections to them opening in that site although I would personally love it to be a Pizza Express.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:00
- The anon from the other thread said...
"But where is this restaurant going to come from?" tm2 has a new purchaser that is looking to do things better, brockley market shows there is a pent up demand for quality. Could go on but as you've used "brigade" in your post I can't be arsed.
All heat and no light from you. As usual.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:00
- Tim said...
Well I just hope that the place is quickly occupied by the nice restaurant that everyone is hoping for. In the current economic environment, I'm not sure being picky about our tenants is a great idea.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:05
- THNick said...
Lou, I usually disagree with you and partly disagree with you now. I agree that we shouldn't be turning down viable businesses because we don't like their products/blue signs. But I also think that letting a small scale takeaway business (few dozen staff? 6 in total I reckon) take over the prime retail spot would be a bad idea. A successful restaurant would bring greater economic benefits to the area and I don't think it's that unlikely.
Near this location, la querce, babur and the HOT all prosper, why shouldn't this location do well too? Well done to the council for pressing for the best (not just quickest) solution.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:13
- Lou Baker said...
I am not saying a restaurant wouldn't prosper.
But there are no plans for a restaurant.
In the meantime we have turned down a perfectly viable business plan.
And all because the corduroy brigade look down on those who order take away pizzas. Prefering, as they do, lattes, muffins and olive and sun dried tomato wraps.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:27
- Anonymous said...
How do you know there are no plans?
- 21 November 2011 at 16:28
- Lou Baker said...
Well that depends on how you define plans.
I'm talking plans as in submitted to the council.
If you're talking plans as in "a mate said to another mate in a pub wouldn't this be a great idea" ... then maybe there are plans.
But to get from the sort of plans you're talking about to the sort of plans I'm talking about takes time and money. Neither of which is in great supply in these harsh times.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:36
- DJ said...
Lou, just endlessly regurgitating dated cliches about the middle classes isn't actually an argument. Nobody is against a pizza place per se - just one in that premises.
Read the comments above and try again.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:36
- Anonymous said...
I'm sick of all these poor shops blighting South London.
I didn't move here from Oxford to watch the value of my property fall!
- 21 November 2011 at 16:38
- Anonymous said...
That's how I define plans too. But now at least there is somewhere for those plans - instead of it being wasted on a pizza place that could easily take another empty premises.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:42
- Me again said...
Could this be the same Lou who brands deptford high street a dump? And all the thriving market traders as probably dodgy? Man of the people? No, just a boring old windbag with no interesting or constructive ideas (is there a windbag brigade?) we can and should be able to shape the high street we live near. The unfettered market does need reigning in occasionally, as a borderline fascist you should recognise that.
You also applauded brockley market, who do you think shops there? The very people you are currently slagging off. Constantly carping is dull.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:43
- Brockley Nick said...
"I am not saying a restaurant wouldn't prosper."
You were saying that.
"But there are no plans for a restaurant."
Because it hasn't been on the market.
"In the meantime we have turned down a perfectly viable business plan."
It wasn't a viable business plan, because it relied on a Use Class that the site didn't have. In the same way, my Super Casino dream for Homemade London is not a viable business plan.
If speed is of the essence, they shouldn't have buggered around with the wrong kind of site, they should have found a place with the relevant planning permission.
"And all because the corduroy brigade look down on those who order take away pizzas. Prefering, as they do, lattes, muffins and olive and sun dried tomato wraps."
No that was not one of the three reasons why the Council (not the public) rejected the application. I quite like Dominos pizzas (had them for the first time the other week) and would defend their right to sell doubghy, salty, cheesy junk food, but they should do so without us losing a restaurant in the process.
There were one or two people who said they should not be able to open on account of the fact that they were junk-food pushers, but their views were as irrelevant and wrong as Anon 13:56s.
If it goes on the market properly and a buyer is not found within a year, then I'd be happy for this decision to be revisited. But I am confident that by then Domino's will be happily trading from another local site.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:43
- Anonymous said...
Brockley, the Paris of South London is suffering a plebeian revolt. Run for the hills with your cloth bags!
- 21 November 2011 at 16:44
- And another thing said...
Anon from Oxford. Don't worry, London is doing ok compared to outside the m25. Your money is safe AND you don't live in dullsville.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:45
- Mmm it tastes better... said...
"but they should do so without us losing a restaurant in the process."
Hang on, is this whole argument based on the assumption a fancy restaurant is going to appear out of the blue during this tough time?! Do you even know how many restaurants a closing every year...
- 21 November 2011 at 16:48
- Spits out tea.... said...
"And all because the corduroy brigade look down on those who order take away pizzas"
Missed that bit, Lou you CONSTANLTY slag off people you consider to be the lower orders. Are you seeing a therapist about your multiple personalities?
- 21 November 2011 at 16:49
- Brockley Nick said...
"Hang on, is this whole argument based on the assumption a fancy restaurant is going to appear out of the blue during this tough time?!"
Restaurant, yes. If you'd read the discussions properly from the start, you wouldn't have to be asking the question now.
But not a fancy restaurant necessarily, no. Just somewhere where people can sit, meet, congregate - a place that might encourage people to go for a drink nearby beforehand or afterwards.
"Do you even know how many restaurants a closing every year..."
Are you saying that no new restaurants will open now or in the future? In the UK? London? Or is Honor Oak uniquely cursed?
I'm sure you can share the stats with us. I'd refer you to Brockley's Rock, a restaurant / takeaway that opened in Brockley earlier this year and appears to be doing rather well. Or I could point you to the queues outside the Orchard and the Brockley Mess, the fact that Toads Mouth has found a buyer, etc, etc. Perhaps the stats say that these places are a figment of my imagination.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:55
- Anonymous said...
Aaaand... Lou is demolished. Again.
- 21 November 2011 at 16:58
- Anonymous said...
actually, Brockley's Rock is in Ladywell . . .
- 21 November 2011 at 17:00
- DJ said...
Oh God - it's a boundaries bore! Run!
- 21 November 2011 at 17:03
- Not Ladywell but woteva said...
Anonymous: What has that got to do with anything?
- 21 November 2011 at 17:04
- Welcome to 2011 said...
If I didn't know better I'd say that random intervention by a boundaries bore (hat tip DJ) was Lou trying rapidly to change the subject.
- 21 November 2011 at 17:05
- Mmm it tastes better... said...
"But not a fancy restaurant necessarily, no. Just somewhere where people can sit, meet, congregate"
Bus stop? Chicken shop?
- 21 November 2011 at 17:06
- Brockley Nick said...
"Chicken shop?"
Well why not a Nando's? Another big chain pushing food of questionable nutritional value, but one that draws people in to the high street rather than serving them with a fleet of scooters, delivering to their homes.
You can keep trying to make it about posh people oppressing the common man, but no matter how hard you try, it still isn't.
- 21 November 2011 at 17:09
- Moronymous said...
Durr, yes Anonymous - brilliant! Well done.
Now run along.
- 21 November 2011 at 17:10
- DJ said...
Mmmmm it tastes bitter.
- 21 November 2011 at 17:14
- corduroy brigade member.. said...
Mmmm i love takeaway pizza.
Out of interest does anyone live in a dominos blackspot as far as i can tell they already deliver to most parts of Brockley. My usual order takes about 40 mins.
- 21 November 2011 at 17:15
- Anonymous said...
invwerted pyramid of piffle!
Snobbery? Of course not, that is just a label for those looking for one.
It's about appropriate usage of building stupid.A take away pizza business can,and does,set up just fine in a normal High St shop.
- 21 November 2011 at 17:28
- Anonymous said...
Dominics is nice. As far as I know they don't use locally sourced veg though.
- 21 November 2011 at 17:28
- Anonymous said...
I seem to have stumbled into a OCD support group...
- 21 November 2011 at 17:57
- spincat said...
I was against Dominos moving in there -for the reasons the Council rejected the application- but would love a Nando's there.
- 21 November 2011 at 20:38
- Anonymous said...
Dominics is some of the best pizza in the area, and the BBQ wings are fab too. The likes of Nick would never give them a fair shake of course.
- 21 November 2011 at 21:00
- thin base said...
fair shake?
Is that how you get the excess oil off?
- 21 November 2011 at 21:54
- Anonymous said...
Dominos mings.
- 21 November 2011 at 22:07
- Anonymous said...
Brockley mungs.
- 21 November 2011 at 22:45
- kolp said...
For all that people go on about mungs and organic food, there isn't much for fast healthy eating around here.
- 21 November 2011 at 23:17
- Anonymous said...
A shish kebab? Grilled lamb, salad in a pitta. Healthier than a lump of cheese (although I'd take both thanks)
By the way, just because nick doesn't critique every food establishment in the area doesn't mean there is some grand conspiracy. This isn't the Yellow Pages.
- 22 November 2011 at 01:35
- DJ said...
That Anon is creepily obsessed with Dominics and Nick 'ignoring' it. Either he is Dominic or he has him chained up in his cellar.
- 22 November 2011 at 07:08
- Simon said...
Perhaps it might be a good idea to ask BC regulars what kind of restaurant they would like to see going into the Old Bank site and how much they would be prepared to pay for a three course meal with a bottle of house wine in a good local?
- 22 November 2011 at 08:33
- THNick said...
Simon - an expanded la querce would be nice. Or a French brasserie. Or a sister restaurant to Meze Mangal (if they can source a new containre). Or a Nando's.
But I'd also prefer Pizza Hut, a cheap and rubbish Indian, a wetherspoons or a pizza express to Dominos. I wont go there but I think it'll be better for the area.
And Lou "there are no plans" - in what circumstances can you imagine the council receiving two applications from competiting businesses?
- 22 November 2011 at 09:43
- Ben said...
A Dominos at such a prominent location would attract too many lower classes to the high street and thus adversely affect property prices.
And DJ, does your tongue ever leave Nick's a-hole?
- 22 November 2011 at 10:41
- Ben said...
This is a forum about our property prices right??
- 22 November 2011 at 10:42
- Ben said...
Hi everyone, Ben here one more time. I've just had a chance to read back through the actual points people have made and I realise now that my posts above were complete rubbish. It's nothing to do with house prices and actually a very sensible discussion about how to create a successful high street in Honor Oak, that works for everyone, rich and poor.
Ignore me - my friends and colleagues do!
- 22 November 2011 at 10:47
- DJ said...
'a-hole' What are you - 12? You arsehole.
- 22 November 2011 at 12:47
- Ben said...
DJ, no need for profanity no matter how upset you are.
Incidentally what are we going to do about those other poor places like launderettes and cafes that don't serve fair trade coffee?
- 22 November 2011 at 12:57
- kolp said...
I notice that the conversations on here are becoming more crude.
I heard Nick telling Tamsin that she had pulled an argument out of her "arse" the other day. SMH
- 22 November 2011 at 13:09
- Ben's mummy said...
Sorry about Ben, it's the holidays and he gets very bored. I tried sending him to the Occupy London camp but they weren't keen. He isn't very bright and does tend to annoy people.
- 22 November 2011 at 13:22
- DJ said...
Oh, you are twelve. Sorry Ben - didn't mean to use a naughty word.
- 22 November 2011 at 13:25
- DJ said...
To be fair Kolp, I've always been crude
- 22 November 2011 at 13:44
- DJ's social worker said...
Don't listen to wee DJ, Ben, the poor sap was abused as a child and still wets the bed.
- 22 November 2011 at 15:06


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