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Perry: GOP governors folded to Medicaid 'bribery'
Updated 9:41 pm, Thursday, March 14, 2013
HOUSTON — Sounding very much like a presidential candidate, Gov. Rick Perry told the Conservative Political Action Conference meeting outside Washington that the Obama administration was engaging in "bribery" by offering states substantial sums to expand Medicaid to low-income adults.
Not only did Perry repeat his rejection of Medicaid expansion in Texas — the state with the highest percentage of citizens with no health care coverage — he called for the Obama administration to give the state "flexibility" to design its existing program to require personal responsibility through co-pays and deductibles.
Perry criticized fellow Republican governors who have agreed to Medicaid expansion, decrying "allies in the conservative movement who folded in the face of federal bribery."
His speech came just hours after he delivered to members of the Texas congressional delegation a letter urging them to "secure flexible funding so we may tailor our program to specifically meet the needs of our citizens in a fiscally responsible manner."
In recent weeks, Texas lawmakers have grappled with the federal government's offer of some $100 billion over the next decade if the state agrees to expand its Medicaid program to cover an estimated 1 million low-income adults.
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Thursday, Bloomberg News reported on a new wrinkle in the Medicaid expansion debate: A new study estimates that governors who refuse the expansion may cost employers in their states as much as $1.3 billion in federal fines.
A clause in the Affordable Care Act penalizes some employers when their workers aren't able to obtain medical coverage through their employment. The study by Jackson Hewitt Tax Services estimated that Texas employers may be on the hook for as much as $448 million in fines.
While deferring to the governor's opposition, several have suggested that the state negotiate with the Obama administration for flexibility to devise a "Texas-style" Medicaid program, with unique coverage and rules.
Rep. John Zerwas, R-Richmond, said Thursday that he interpreted Perry's letter to the Texas delegation to indicate "the door is open in the governor's office" to negotiating with Washington on Medicaid expansion.
"What we are seeing is a conversation. Perhaps this is an opportunity to put some rational things on the table," Zerwas said.
Zerwas has offered legislation directing the Texas Health and Human Services Commission to negotiate with the federal government on the issue.
In his CPAC speech, Perry flatly rejected inclusion of more low-income Texans in the federal program, even though 25 percent of Texans have no health care coverage. The existing Medicaid system, he said, "is on its way to bankruptcy."
"Medicaid doesn't need to be expanded. It needs to be saved and reformed," he said.
"Small contributions" will insure that patients don't overuse medical services, he said. He favors asset tests so "care is there for those who need it most" and endorsed health savings accounts for Medicaid clientele. He argued, "If anything, Medicaid dollars should be used to keep people on private insurance."
Austin health care lobbyist Ted Delisi said Perry's remarks show a willingness to "have a conversation" with federal officials. In such a conversation, he said, "you don't take anything off the table," including searching for ways to make the current program more efficient and economical.


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Pedro de la Rosa has dismissed claims that his HRT car would be unsafe to run at the United States Grand Prix.
HRT is up for sale and Spanish media reports had claimed that the two cars could be unsafe due to a lack of spare parts in Austin. However, when asked about the validity of the reports, de la Rosa said that despite HRT's troubles the team was professional enough to ensure its cars were fit to take to the circuit.
"It's something that I'm not aware of and it's the first news comes from you," de la Rosa said. "All I can say is that we might be modest, we are small and we are what we are - but we are a professional Formula One team and for sure when we start running it's because the car is safe. I'm experienced enough to… y'know, I would never jump into an unsafe car because of parts being too old. So no, the answer is, the car is slow but it's safe."
De la Rosa also said that the current off-track situation would not affect the team's determination to secure good results between now and the end of the season.
"All I can say is, we are here, that there are two Grands Prix to go and no matter what's going on in the background, we will give it 100 per cent like we've always done. No matter in which position we fight and who we fight against we will do a professional job. We are here to do that and there are two very interesting Grands Prix left. Hopefully there's some more retirements than in the last few races, even more and we can achieve a good result. But first we have to finish the races and make sure that we do as much as we can on both Friday sessions that are left."

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Mariners let big lead slip after Felix deals gem
BOSTON -- A colossal ninth-inning collapse and confusion over which reliever they wanted to use combined to flatten the Mariners in a wrenching 8-7 loss to the Red Sox on Thursday as Seattle was swept at Fenway Park.
Boston rallied for six runs in the bottom of the ninth to spoil an outstanding outing by Felix Hernandez, with Mariners acting manager Robby Thompson getting crossed-up in his attempt to bring in right-handed reliever Yoervis Medina in the middle of the Red Sox's run when the umpires ruled he signaled with his left arm.Full Game Coverage
BOSTON -- A colossal ninth-inning collapse and confusion over which reliever they wanted to use combined to flatten the Mariners in a wrenching 8-7 loss to the Red Sox on Thursday as Seattle was swept at Fenway Park.
Boston rallied for six runs in the bottom of the ninth to spoil an outstanding outing by Felix Hernandez, with Mariners acting manager Robby Thompson getting crossed-up in his attempt to bring in right-handed reliever Yoervis Medina in the middle of the Red Sox's run when the umpires ruled he signaled with his left arm.Full Game Coverage
At that point, closer Tom Wilhelmsen had already allowed four straight batters to reach base without an out and a 7-2 lead was quickly evaporating.
Left-hander Oliver Perez, who was warming alongside Medina, was forced to come in against switch-hitter Shane Victorino and Thompson stuck with him to face right-hander Dustin Pedroia, knowing lefty David Ortiz was next in line.
But Perez gave up a two-run single to Victorino and an RBI hit by Pedroia before striking out Ortiz for the first out of the ninth.
The rookie Medina finally entered with runners on first and second and a one-run lead, and Jonny Gomes immediately tied the game with an RBI single up the middle. Medina then walked Stephen Drew before Daniel Nava won it with a deep single to center with one out for the Red Sox's Major League-leading 11th walk-off win of the season and second in two nights against Seattle.
"We wanted to go to Medina there and if we had to go to Ollie, he was the next guy," said Thompson, who is filling in while Eric Wedge recovers from a minor stroke. "If there was anything today for me, it was a lesson learned that if you make a motion with either hand, that's it. I didn't realize that.
"I did point to the pen, but I didn't have time to [tap his other arm] for the right-hander," Thompson said. "He'd already turned. That's when I wanted to make sure he knew who I wanted to go to and [crew chief] Gary Darling said it's too late, you raised your left hand up."
How much did that affect what the Mariners were trying to do after Wilhelmsen struggled with his control and let the Red Sox get back into the game?
"You know what? We've got to get three outs," Thompson said. "We didn't get the job done in the ninth inning. I'll look back on it and if that's the ruling on it, I'll take responsibility for that. But we wanted to go with Medina all the way and have Ollie out there in the waiting."
Red Sox manager John Farrell said the situation arises when both a left- and right-hander are warming together.
"When you have two guys up at the same time, you've got to be clear on who you ask for first," Farrell said. "Robby's left arm went up first and he quickly tried to change it, but Gary Darling kept the first call in order and that was to ask for the left-hander. That's what I saw on the field."
The Mariners lost on a 15th-inning walk-off a night earlier, but this one was even more painful after Hernandez had pitched seven innings of one-run ball and turned a 7-1 lead over to the bullpen thanks to a grand slam by Henry Blanco.
"The guy went out there once again and was Felix and did his job," said Thompson. "And we didn't finish it off for him."
"This was a tough series," said Hernandez. "Today hurt a lot. But we just have to get ready for tomorrow and start playing baseball. That's all we've got to do."
Blanco, acquired in mid-June to serve as a backup catcher and mentor to rookie Mike Zunino, cleared the bases with his fifth-inning blast. This is Blanco's 16th season in the big leagues and of his three career grand slams, two have come now in 16 games with Seattle.
Hernandez wound up with a no-decision and remains 11-4 while lowering his American League-leading ERA to 2.30 as he allowed just one run and six hits over seven innings. Hernandez is 6-0 with a 2.11 ERA over his last 12 starts, having not lost since May 25 vs. the Rangers.
Hernandez is 102-25 in his career when given two or more runs of support and the Mariners gave him that and more by jumping on Ryan Dempster for seven runs and nine hits in his six-inning start.
But somehow that wasn't enough as the Red Sox still managed to win their ninth straight over Seattle at Fenway and that was tough for all the Mariners to swallow.
"We were trying to forget about what happened [Wednesday] because that was a tough game, even for those guys," said Perez, who took the loss. "Fifteen innings is not easy. But today Felix did everything he could and we didn't get it done. He did a tremendous job and left us to just get three outs.
"Everything went the other way [in the ninth]," Perez said. "That's a really tough loss for us because of how Felix was pitching and we couldn't get it done. That's really tough."
The win kept the Red Sox in first place in the AL East at 66-44 and was their first walk-off involving at least a five-run comeback in an inning since 2007.
"In a word, magical," Farrell said. "Given that we're down five against a very good pitcher in Wilhelmsen when you consider his raw stuff."
Mariners third baseman Kyle Seager had a ridiculous July when he hit a Major League-leading .396 with a .464 on-base percentage and he didn't let up as the calendar rolled to August. Seager went 2-for-4 with a triple, a walk, two runs, an RBI and a stolen base, raising his season average to .300 in the process.
Designated hitter Kendrys Morales had a season-high four hits and his team-leading 61st RBI, but in the end, the Mariners were swept in the three-game set and now head to Baltimore with a 50-58 record.
Greg Johns is a reporter for MLB.com. Follow him on Twitter @GregJohnsMLB as well as his Mariners Musings blog.


text: If a TNG-R were done like the TOS-R Blu-Ray, it would just need to have the seamless branching so you can choose to have either the original upconverted, or the new FX. That way, both people are happy, and you choose your version, but either way, it's still in HD. No need to argue that point.


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Rosberg tips rivals to be closer in Spain
Nico Rosberg has tipped Mercedes' rivals to have closed the gap during the three-week break since last month's Chinese grand prix.
The Brackley based team has utterly dominated the opening four 'flyaway' grands prix of the new turbo V6 era.
But the start of the European season is traditionally the scene of vast improvements up and down the pitlane, as teams add the first major developments to their fledgling cars.
"Until now we have had a big gap to our nearest competitors," championship leader Rosberg is quoted by German-language Speed Week.
"But three weeks have passed since China and for sure a lot has happened. So we will have to wait and see," said the German ahead of this weekend's Spanish grand prix.
"I hope that we still have an advantage, but we will have to see how big it is. I am confident that we will still be the fastest.
"But we are also aware that the competition has been working around the clock to catch up," added Rosberg.
At the same time, Barcelona is usually a key indicator of how the rest of a F1 season will look.
Not only is the Circuit de Catalunya a frequent test venue for the sport, the nature of its layout is a good indicator of how a car will perform on most types of tracks.
"A car that performs well in Barcelona should perform well everywhere," agreed Paul Hembery, tyre supplier Pirelli's F1 boss.
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Horn: Michael Bourn 'would be a huge upgrade over' Craig Gentry, Leonys Martinez
Catch SportsDay On Air twice per week on Fox Sports Southwest, when Dallas Morning News experts discuss hot sports topics from the Cowboys, Mavericks, Stars, Rangers and colleges (check our TV listings for air times). Here are a few highlights from Monday's episode featuring Barry Horn and Kevin Sherrington:
On if the Rangers will make any more moves:
Horn: "I think Michael Bourn is a definite possibility to be here. He's a centerfielder. He's a guy that can play a lot out there and take up a lot of the field. This is a Scott Boras candidate. He's a Scott Boras man. I would like to see him here. I think he would be a huge upgrade over what they're planning to do with Leonys Martinez and Craig Gentry."
Sherrington: "I think (this lineup) is ok. Gentry played really well last year. Gentry was a very good centerfielder. I think that you could even make the case is he a junior version of Michael Bourn. He's not going to have much power. Bourn doesn't have much power. He covers a lot of ground out there and he has a good arm and he's very accurate. Ron Washington said last year, he's the best arm in that outfield when he's out there. That was over (Josh) Hamilton and (Nelson) Cruz."


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Since I am sure some folks still want to talk about Lance, his doping, and the (now official) revoking of his titles and (for some) his entire legacy.
Our Aussie friend Death (Soberphobia) and I have conversed privately, so no more of that sillyness today. It wasn't kind of me to troll him tbqh, so I apologize.
So let the on-topic, legitimate discussion roll on.
I'll accept your apologies now.
All good mate and your troll was pretty good have to say - remember America invented the internet so sometimes those of us elsewhere should be reminded of that fact, and in actuality if I were in your shoes that's exactly what I'd be saying to someone like me. Repeatedly.
I'll leave the indepth Lance discussion to others for the time being. Whatever happens from now on he still has a 9 figure bank account, so well played Lance. If he did cheat at least he made it worth his while.
the real question: who the f*ck cares??
dudes in tights, singing "TROLOLO" while riding bikes with no seats through the streets of France...
OH sober phobia is that black death dude??
I was wondering why I hadn't really seen this Internet dude around even though he's been posting since '05 and has a quarter of a k under 4k posts..
Shouldn't you be looking for shale or coal energy discount buys?
USA or Australia > France.


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"Moral excellence is an ornament for personal beauty; righteous conduct, for high birth; success for learning; and proper spending for wealth."
"True ornament is not a matter of prettifying externals. It is organic with the structure it adorns, whether a person, a building, or a park."
"The house built on the sand may oftentimes be built higher, have more fair parapets and battlements, windows and ornaments, than that which is built upon the rock; yet all gifts and privileges equal not one grace"
"The Royal Navy of England hath ever been its greatest defense and ornament; it is its ancient and natural strength; the floating bulwark of the island."
"My precept to all who build is, that the owner should be an ornament to the house, and not the house to the owner"
"The world would be astonished if it knew how great a proportion of its brightest ornaments, of those most distinguished even in popular estimation for wisdom and virtue, are complete skeptics in religion"
"The biggest attraction in Britain is Britain - the whole package. Our heritage is not just a collection of ornaments scattered across the country, it is Britain itself and makes us gloriously distinguishable from any other country."


text: I am not talking about going around in a parking lot and using the back brake, I am talking about on the freeway and coming to a stop. I have been telling my girlfriend not to use the rear brake on the street. Her front brake is more than enough to stop and she just needs to smoothly keep applying more pressure on it to stop, and even harder to stop faster. The point of telling her not to use it during normal stops is because during an emergency brake, it is very hard to feather the rear brake and not lock it up and by not using it everyday, she won't slam down on it during an emergency brake out of habit. So what is your opinion on this matter on teaching beginners about braking? Personally, I very rarely use the rear brake.


text: I have gone through and seen several really good threads that show a lot of details about the In's and Out's of the fuel filter. After 9K miles I decided as a preventative measure to change out mine. What I didn't know were the tricks you needed and couple of really odd tools necessary to make this an easy project.<o></o> <o> </o> I won't go into how you have to take of the tanks etc. I am assuming your smarter than a 6th grader (well except maybe for a couple of you) and am not going to bother with those details. This starts from the point where the pump is already removed from the tank and you have the necessary filters and O rings to make the swap.<o></o> <o> </o> One tip, it is really a pain in the ass to re-use the smaller of the two O rings that seals the pump to the tank. I tried but had no luck so I just replaced it with the new one.<o></o> <o> </o> This is what the pump assembly looks like split into its two main components. The top part in white houses the cartridge filter. You have to remove the cage, ground screw and electrical leads to remove the second part of the pump and filter from the housing. The first part is just held in place with two clips.<o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> Those are the two ears you see above where my thumb is pointing to the ground screw I referred too.<o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> This was the first tricky part I could not figure out, how to separate the top section to get at the cartridge filter. There are two ears internal to the piece that have to be pushed in and the inner section pulled out with a pair of pliers. <o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> I used two 1.27mm allen wrenches to slide down the guide-way to depress the two ears, you can use a small screwdriver but you would need two sets of hands. This was fast and easy.<o></o> <o> </o> You can kinda see the guidways at the 3 and 6 O'clock position in this pic<o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> Here is that part with the new cartridge filter on it. Make sure to transfer over the O ring inside the cartridge filter to the new one.<o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> Now it was time to go after the bag filter, you have to remove the pump from the housing to do this.<o></o> <o> </o> Start by removing the electrical connections.<o></o> <o> </o> Two terminals and the ground.<o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> The terminals are marked so don't worry about it.<o></o> <o> </o> Next come the cage screws.<o></o> <o> </o> There is one on either side of the pump.<o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> Kinda hard to see but they are peeking out from either side.<o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> Once the pump is slid out of the housing you have access to the filter bag<o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> It just pops off no screws etc.<o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> There is one fiddly bit under the pump is a rubber thingy you have to make sure you put it back with the pump properly oriented when inserting back into the housing. Forgot to get a picture of it but if you get this far you will know exactly what I am talking about.<o></o> <o> </o> Now just reverse the order and put it back together making sure to lube all the o rings for safety.<o></o> <o> </o> Old vs. New<o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o> <o></o> <o> </o>


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Toyota RAV4 Burns Oil
sparkley Posts: 1I have a 2008 Toyota Rav4 that I purchased used with 36,000 miles on it. The first few oil changes were fine. My mechanic noticed that it burned through a quart in about 5,000 miles which according to any mechanic or guys I know that know anything about cars say this is a ridiculous amount of oil to be burning through n that amount of mileage. The next time it burned through 2 qts in the same amount of time. I also got my hands on a TSB (Toyota Service Bulletin) that has narrowed this problem down to two factories in Japan and specifies vin numbers that are potentially at risk for this oil consumption problem. However I feel like Toyota is giving me the run around making me jump through hoops to determine if the car is actually burning oil. My VIN number is one that could be affected by this and it seems obvious to me that it does have the oil cosumption problem Toyota needs to stand behind their mistake of building a faulty engine and fix these engines. I am now undergoing my 4th test.
thumper96 Posts: 1The owner's manual indicates 1 qt per 600 miles is normal. I have taken my Rav4 to a dealer and argued the fact that the engine holds about 4.4 qts. This gives me about 2640 miles before the engine is completely out of oil. If my oil change is scheduled every 3000 miles, the engine would be out of oil before then. I have heard unofficially that dealers do not want to repair engines under warranty since they only get a flat rate for the repair. Out of warranty stuff is more profitable for them. This may be true, because the dealer doesn't want to touch my car even though I have an extended factory warranty for it. Maybe a class action lawsuit is the solution.
faudoo Posts: 1I am also disappointed in Toyota. We bought our 2007 RAV4 brand new because we believed Toyota to be a reliable, high-quality vehicle. We drive a lot of miles for a work commute (just turned 200,000) and about a year ago noticed that the engine was using a lot of oil. Didn't think much of it the first couple of times we needed to add oil between oil changes, which occurs about every 6 weeks, but when it continued I started looking up potential issues and found this. I haven't gone to my dealer yet to inquire if they are aware of the issue(I'm sure they are, it's whether they admit it or not) and if there is anything they plan to do about it.
I, too, have an oil burning issue with my 2006 Toyota Rav 4. The dealership did the oil consumption test and of course found nothing. I contact Toyota Headquarters and they stated that no one else has complained...so I guess no recall on this issue. Clearly with this many complaints being posted daily the oil consumption is an issue with many complaints...if everyone is saying the same thing there must be some truth in it. Everyone cannot be delusional. I say that we make our voices heard at Toyota. Let's start a class action suit
My 2008 Rav 4 is going in Monday for repairs. Please, everyone with this problem, find online the Toyota Service Bulletin dealing with this. It lists specific VIN #s or Rav's, Camry's and Scions affected by a manufacturing defect and if you are using more than 1 qt of oil in less than 1200 miles, it qualifies to be looked at. If you show them this bulletin, have a compatible VIN # and have been documented to be burning oil - They should do something. I was hoping for a buy out, but they are going to try to fix the defect. Stay tuned.....
Thanks for your response. My car has been looked at twice; however, the dealer wants me to pay $3000-4000 for an engine overhaul...why should I when it's Toyota's problem. I just called Toyota headquarters (1-800-331-4331) and the service tech stated once again that consumers are not calling in to complain about the oil consumption issue, which I believe is a LIE. He also stated that Toyota Service Bulletins are basically informational documents not a recall document. So before our engines burn out from no OIL or we go broke trying to keep it filled with OIL, we need to start a class action suit.
How do we get the suit started? I dont have to see my VIN# on a list to know that I have an oil problem. The lack of about 3 quarts of oil within a two to three week time frame is proof enough. It is not normal and Toyota is not going to convince me that it is. I am now undergoing my 2nd and final test.
There are 4 requirements to proceed with a class action.
1. Numerosity - enough plaintiffs to make class action an efficeint way to handle the claim.
2. Commonality - common issues of fact and law for each claimant
3. Adequacy of Class Rep - the person who is the class representatitve needs to have claims that are the same as the class members and that they are capable of serving as the representative.
4. Adequqcy of Counsel - that the law firm representing the class has sufficient skill and resources to represent the class.
A certified class action suit is one brought on behalf of a large group of people as plaintiffs who have suffered some similar harm from the same actions of the defendant or defendantsA certified class action suit is one brought on behalf of a large group of people as plaintiffs who have suffered some similar harm from the same actions of the defendant or defendants.
I am also looking for people with the same problem in order to file a class action suit. I know there has already been one filed in 2007 in Louisianna for the same problem, but it only mentioned a few makes of vehicles, the RAV 4 not being one of them. Toyota lost and had to pay for this problem, and it is binding until 8 years later.
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I am from New Brunswick, Canada, and so I am looking to join a international class action. My truck is 4 years old, and the problem started around 133,000 km. Same thing, oil sludge problem. Need a new engine, cost $6000 with installation. Called Toyota, of course they said the warranty was expired. Can you tell me what Service Bulletin it is, there are a lot of different ones and I could not find this specific one.
I am also looking for people with the same problem in order to file a class action suit. I know there has already been one filed in 2007 in Louisianna for the same problem, but it only mentioned a few makes of vehicles, the RAV 4 not being one of them. Toyota lost and had to pay for this problem, and it is binding until 8 years later.
I am from New Brunswick, Canada, and so I am looking to join a international class action. My truck is 4 years old, and the problem started around 133,000 km. Same thing, oil sludge problem. Need a new engine, cost $6000 with installation. Called Toyota, of course they said the warranty was expired. Can you tell me what Service Bulletin it is, there are a lot of different ones and I could not find this specific one.
Here's the Toyota TSB:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCkQFjAB&url- =http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newscionxb.com%2Fattachments%2F2nd-gen-scion-xb-talk%2F278d132- 2767463-will-scion-follow-toyotas-tsb-release-oil-consumption-t-sb-0094-11.pdf&e- i=jmrxTo2GMuGaiAL09pyUDg&usg=AFQjCNEnao8ytDVzLWCLJ6sJNZ8R0LlCnQ
The Toyota service bulletin was put out in August 2011 and affects Ravs, Camrys 2007-2009, Camry HV 2007-2011, corollas 2009, Matrix 209 and solaras 2007-2008 with the 2AZ-FE engine. The title is "2AZ-FE Engine Oil Consumption". Rav 2006 thru 2008 VD #s (Look for these within your VIN #) BD31V, BD32V, BD34V, BD35V, ZD31V, ZD32V, ZD33V, ZD34V, ZD35V. The bulletin # if you want to find it is T-SB-0094-11, also T-SB-002411. I only have the first one since it is specific to my RAV4. Hope this is helpful to everyone.
kenjie69 Posts: 1Just like what you guys experience. I think i have the same problem with my Rav4. It burns a lot of oil, and this morning my Rav4 start making an engine noise like it whistling when you start the engine and as well as when you step into the gas. I did call the Toyota service in my place and ask if it is normal, but they said i might need to replace the engine. Please if anybody started the class action suit count me in...
textwork Posts: 2I purchased my 2006 rav in May '08 with approximately 22,000 miles. At about 125000 miles my husband noticed that it was burning oil. He changes the oil religiously every 3000 miles. We were having to add one to two quarts at around the 2000 mile mark. Two weeks, ago, at about 1500 miles into the last oil change, the engine blew, the vehicle has 160,000 miles on it. I still have one year on the note so I have no choice but to spend the $3500 for a used engine with 80000 miles. I can't get anything for a car that's not running. I previously owned a 2002 Rav4 which had over 300,000 miles on it before the tranny began getting funky. Because of this, I was sold on this vehicle and searched high and low to purchase the used '06 with low miles. I am now totally disgusted. I don't always keep the receipt for the oil purchases, and since my husband does the oil changes himself, I do not have acceptable records of maintenance. However, rest assure I will stay tuned to this post and and hold on to my repair work. I will gladly participate in a class action suit.
kris119 Posts: 1Same problem here. 2007 Rav4 engine with 92000 miles on it shutoff today while I was going on a highway. Toyota service center quoted $2000 for engine tear down and damage assessment and predicted that it will cost $8000 to repair it. I am stuck without vehicle dont know what to do not sure how much will I get for trade in
Interested to join the law suit
Is there a way to get it repaired for around $4000 I am stuck. Dont appreciate the manufacturer not taking responsibility
Thanks a lot in advance
ravowner1 Posts: 1I am interesting in joining, too.
Noticed my 07 RAV started burning excessive oil at about 82 K when the oil light flickered. I had the same problem with my last Rav, so I knew the drill. Had been assured that Toyota fixed this problem with their engines. Dealer completed a consumption test and determined it was within Toyota's specs. However, it has had the oil light flicker 3 separate times and each time there has been very little oil left in the engine and burned 3+ quarts. Piston slap audible. Toyota has refused to address the problem or investigate further after the problem continued after their consumption test. I had the extended warranty but it got me nowhere with them. Too bad for me that my car had 68 k when the TSB was published.
rav4stink Posts: 2We bought our 2007 4cyl rav4 brand new and have taken good care of it. Noticed at around 55,000 miles it was using oil. Took it to the dealer at 60,100 and they confirmed it but wouldn't do anything because it was outside the waranty window. Called the 800 number and they were no help at all. This thing uses 3 qts between oil changes. Someone please start a class action suit. There is no reason a car should use this much oil at this age. Toyota knows about it but won't stand behind their products. No more toyotas for me.
dww5 Posts: 1We have a 2007 with 85,000 miles and it uses 1 quart per 1800 miles and started this at 75,000. It was under extended warranty buy Toyota would not do the repair because it would have to use 1 quart in 1200 miles to qualify. They showed me the shop manual and the new 2011 can use 1 quart in 600 miles and be within Toyota tolerances. I think this is a EPA issue. Any car that is using this much oil must be polluting. When we took the car in for its consumption test they filled it about a half quart past the full mark.
anthony82 Posts: 1I just purchased my 2008 RAV4 off lease in December 150K and engine is burning 1 litre of oil for every 1000km driven. Toyota claims this is within their guidelines! Finished the oil consumption test and they determined the following provided that I am out of warranty.
- They need to complete an engine breakdown...at my cost!
- If they determine there is an issue, I am responsible for 40% of the repairs.
Correct me if I am wrong, if there are so many people on this thread that are having similar issues with their RAV4's and all within the same millage (100k-200k), there is clearly defect somewhere and they need to do a recall! If this is how Toyota is going to deal with these ongoing issues, count me in the class action lawsuit.
Mine started at 55,000 miles also -It does fall into the engine/serial numbers that relate to the problem per the Toyota service bulletin. My dealer did fix it since it was confirmed to have started at or around 55,000 miles and they documented the consumption was more than 1 qt every 1,200 miles. It was actually losing 1 qt every 800 miles. They fixed it about 3 weeks ago at their cost as part of the powertrain warranty. I can confirm that the problem got fixed; after 1,000 miles I haven't lost any oil and the oil even looks better. Please get that Toyota service bulletin and demand they fix the problem. I heard that they are not doing a recall on this since the bad publicity on the floor mat issue hurt their business so much. Personally, I think a little honesty would be refreshing for a change.
2006rav4 Posts: 1My 2006 Rav4 started burning oil at 57,000 miles. I did not notice it until one day the oil engine light flicks at 63000. My car had extremely low level of oil at the time of checkup. It falls into the engine/serial numbers that relate to the problem per the Toyota service bulletin. Now my dealer said that I need a new engine since it had passed the 5 year mark. Even though I have been taking my car to the NJ autoland dealer for service over the years, the service rep claimed that no techenican would have noticed it since the tech only drains out the oil when the time for oil change. No tech would actually check the oil level. What a shocker! I thought it would make a difference taking the car to the dealer for service versus the local garage.
The image of Toyota builds the most reliable car has faded away in my mind. What a shame!
Toyota should recall the cars fall into the service bulletin and have the problem fixed. Advise to all Rav4 owner, check your car oil level every month before the engine fails on you.
I am interested in joining a class action suit. I started noticing problems in June of this year with my 2008 Rav 4. When I approached my dealer, I was ushered into their business office and was told to protect myself, I should purchase an extended warranty. They said they were 90% sure what my problem was and because my original warranty and run out, this was the alternative. I purchased the warranty (I had been looking to purchase an extended warranty anyway) and they did a couple of consumption tests. It was determined that I did have this problem listed in the TSB and they got approval from the warranty company and proceeded to replace my pistons and gaskets. The problem has been fixed for now but I have a monthly charge for the next year for a warranty that will probably run out about the same time I finish paying for it. I am looking to recoup the money I spent on the warranty because I feel the same as all of you that Toyota should have just fixed the problem. Please let me know what I need to do to join the class action suit.
My Rav4 started showing similar symptoms at around 50K. It started consuming about 4 quarts for every 3K miles. Toyota service center managed to send me back twice by refilling the oil. Finally at 57.5K I was very upset and shouted at the service manager saying that they didn't do the job right. Then, I decided to google and happened to visit this site. Thanks for providing the bulletin here. Again went back at 61.5 K. They said I am out of warranty. Finally, the service representative agreed that I complained at 57.5K. Now I am on consumption test for 1000 miles. If it consumes more than a quart I will get a new engine.
jingyel Posts: 6Hello,
I am looking for a use 2006 RAV4 TWD with only 30k on it.
My Vin number is JTMZD33V465032384
which is not in the engine effective Vin list---JTM#D3#V#85209466; JTM#D3#V#86088135.
Does that mean I don't need to worry about the oil burn issue?
I mean anyone found similar problem with Vin number not list by Toyota?
fatwalletuab Posts: 1I noticed the probem when it had 70K miles on it, and when I found out the oil stick only got the tip wet, i went to NTB, and they told me my engine is about to fail soon, so I'd better sell before the value crushed to 1/3 of a working car, what a jerk. Then, I went to firestone, the tech told me although only the tip is wet, it should still have 2 qts remaining, so that's kind of relief for me. So I had firestone put in 5 quarts of high mileage engine oil, and it is about another 3000 miles now, and the oil level is at the minimun mark, now i read this thread, there has to be a class action against Toyota. 2006 Toyota uses camery's engine, if there's a class action filed in Luisiana in 2007, the 2006 toyota has to be eligible, but anyways, what is the procedure to file a class action, and we need to do this fast before the engines crush
vivaldi7 Posts: 2I got 2008 Rav4, 4 cylinder engine and only about 71 000 km.
Car is still under warranty for another week !
During my last summer trip , this car burned 2 L / 700 km.
Currently running through 4th oil consumption test with Toyota dealer.
On first test it burned 1 L per 1600 km.
Last time it burned 0.5L / 800 km.
Toyota Canada states that the 'Industry standard' is 1.5 L / 1500 km.
So technically speaking they can do nothing.
Thinking about arbitration and court case if nothing is done,
will decide soon.
Update to case mentioned in message #54. My 1K miles test returned 0.8 quart consumtpion, which is within the limit. But my VIN was listed in their service bulletin. They kept my case pending for two days in discussion with the head office. Finally, they worked out with HO and and they got the approval. I got my car back yesterday after the fix. It costs around 4,500 for the fix if I had to pay. They also provided me with rental car for two weeks. (Wolfchase Toyota, Cordova, TN). Hope everything fixed.
Yes, mines was repaired but I had to purchase an extended warranty which covered it. They also gave me a rental car for two weeks. I should have waited them out instead of purchashing the warranty but glad it is fixed. I am still interested in a class action suit since they should not be giving everyone a hard time since they know it is Toyota's fault.
khalidh Posts: 1I have a 2008 rav4 still under warranty which is burning oil. Its funny how Toyota was the one that initially told me about car consuming oil (3L since the last oil change i did). I came in after 2000km as they requested and said it only burnt 0.7L which is under the limit. I find that weird how they tell me about an oil consumption problem then tell me it's not ENOUGH oil being burnt after. It's burning oil and still an unusual amount. Let me know what you guys decide to do.
This is justus6. I just saw your msg. I had my gaskets changed but my problem still exist and is getting worst. I now have an extended warranty plan. Hopefully, they will authorize my problem to be fixed as well. I am ready to get started with the class action suit. Does anyone have a lawyer that they can ask about our issue and let us know how to get started?


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Re "Student Faces Town's Wrath in Protest Against a Prayer" (news article, Jan. 27), about a successful lawsuit brought by Jessica Ahlquist, a 16-year-old atheist in Cranston, R.I.:
There are only six words in the text posted on the wall of Cranston High School West that are the cause of the problem. They are "School Prayer," "Our Heavenly Father" and "Amen." Take them out. The text can then read, with slight modification:
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I bought this book a while ago but only got round to reading it a few months ago! I don't usually read thrillers, but I have enjoyed reading Tess Gerritsen so I decided to give this book a try.
It was extremely easy to read and I found myself getting more and more into the story. The idea of a group of elite computer programmers (Monkeewrench) who have erased their pasts due to some event that happened whilst they were friends at university really intrigued me. There were nice twists and turns and I loved how suddenly a decade later, Grace, the main character in the story, is targeted once more when someone decides to copy scenes from a murder mystery game the group are developing. The murderer is killing one person a day in settings and circumstances exactly the same as the stages of the game. They only have a limited amount of time as they join forces with the police to prevent these murders from happening.
As much as I wanted to like this book, I found that the ending wasn't much of a surprise. It confused me why the murderer would leave such a vital clue that would allow them to work out who they were. Unfortunately I found that parts of the story became less believable as I read on. Even minor details irked me for example, Grace is described as being this super paranoid person who has her home built with the type of security an army would be proud of...yet despite this a small boy manages to climb over her fence into the garden with no problem at all.
I have given this book a 3 star rating since the basic storyline was really promising and left me wanting to finish the book till the end, but I found that the book and ending overall weren't very satisfying. It's not really a book I'd read again, but I think it's a pretty decent debut thriller.
When a murdered girl is found draped across a statue in a cemetery, the ferocity of her murder is disturbing to all who see it. Yet this is only the beginning. Before long, a team of computer programmers, headed by Grace McBride, have approached the police because the murder is a carbon copy of part of a game they are currently working on. Minneapolis detectives, Magozzi and Gino, begin a race against time to stop more serial killings based on the game from happening. At the same time, it appears that there is a connection with the brutal slaying of an elderly couple in a Wisconsin church and a series of killings that Grace and her programming friends were involved in ten years before. Could Grace and her team be involved in the murders? Or is it someone wanting to implicate Grace at every turn who is just waiting for her to become one of the victims?
Having read a couple of other books by the mother/daughter writing team who make up P J Tracy, I knew that I was in for a gripping read with this book, the first in the series. Gripping it most certainly is, from start to finish. I read a great deal of crime fiction and find it very hard to be completely sucked in these days - either because the read isn't eventful enough or it is too easy to guess what is going to happen next. This book, however, is both eventful and full of twists and turns that make it virtually impossible to second guess the next step - although towards the end, I had picked up on some of the clues that the author had left. Nevertheless, it is a seriously gory murder mystery that will appeal to most fans of thrillers.
Part of the intriguing storyline stems from the descriptions of the characters. Grace is probably the main character, although Magozzi comes a close second. She is not particularly likable to begin with; she is prickly, unfriendly, and obviously has a great deal of difficulty in trusting anyone. However, as her experience of ten years ago is slowly fed to the reader, it becomes more of a surprise that she knows how to function at all. Her computer programmer friends, Harley, Mitch, Roadrunner and Annie, are her family and stick to her side like glue. Nevertheless, P J Tracy still keeps some of her character mysterious, so that the reader cannot completely rule her out of the role of serial killer. It's very cleverly done and makes for a great character.
Magozzi is the other character who really stands out. Despite his initial reservations about Grace, he is slowly beginning to fall in love with her, while desperately wanting to catch the killer at the same time. His job has become his life, but he is beginning to realise that there is room in it for something else - and it could be Grace. He didn't develop hugely over the course of the book, but there is enough there to tempt the reader to carry on with the series, and his relationship with Gino, his partner, is both touching and funny at the same time. The Wisconsin Sheriff who is involved in the murder of the couple in the church is another strong character. His character is quite similar to Magozzi, but he has a love interest in one of the detectives who works for him and it turns out to be quite a highlight of the book.
My only issue with the book is that there is just so much going on in it that at times, it was hard to get to grips with exactly what was going on. It also involves a serial killer who is a complete genius (very similar to some of Patricia Cornwell's killers) and manages to get things spot on every single time without ever being caught in the act. It's just a bit too hard to believe at times. And although there are plenty of twists to keep the reader guessing, they do add to the need to suspend disbelief. This is not something that anyone will necessarily notice while reading, but when mulling things over afterwards, everything just seems a bit too neat and tidy. I am being very picky there though, because at the end of the day, it's a great escapism and most people would rather that than an accurate real life depiction.
The writing style is punchy and gets on with the job, which is precisely what is needed with this type of book. The chapters are short, which fits in well with the way that the story is told - it chops and changes between characters, particularly at the beginning of the book before the Wisconsin murders are connected with the Minneapolis ones. This does mean that the reader has to really keep on their toes for the first part of the book in particular, but the simplicity of the language really helps there. The main issue is getting to grips with all the names, which with names like Magozzi, Harley and Roadrunner is a little mind-bending to start with. In time though, the originality of the names wins through - it's hard to forget someone called Roadrunner who dresses in lycra and is described as looking like a long, thin pencil!
This book is not flawless by any stretch of the imagination, but for a first novel in this genre, it really does deserve its place in thriller history. It isn't always a pleasant read - there are some fairly horrific descriptions of the murders to cope with, but that anyone who struggles with that probably wouldn't be reading anything from this genre anyway. Best of all, I think the authors have created a set of characters who are memorable - at least in Grace and Magozzi. If you're new to the series, this is definitely the place to start - it makes future books much easier to follow with regard to the character backgrounds. I highly recommend this book, 4.5 stars out of 5.
The books is available from play.com for £5.99. Published by Penguin Books, it has 496 pages. ISBN 9780141011325.
My boss has been singing the praises of P.J. Tracy for the past year. So under considerable pressure I finally relented and decided to give it a go. I am always conscious when someone recommends an author to you that opinions vary and what one person loves anything may loathe.
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This was a complete shock to me for a start. A book written by two authors! In this case it was a mother/daughter combination of Traci and PJ Lambrecht. I'm so glad I found this out after reading it otherwise I probably wouldn't have bothered, as I would have expected the book to be very disjointed.
This was their first best selling thriller. These were quickly followed by three more also best sellers, 'Snow Blind', 'Dead Run' and 'Live Bait'. All sharing this successful idea of two related writers.
The story of the book:
An elderly couple, the Kleinfedts are killed in a church in Kingsford County, Wisconsin. The local Police see this as a random act against two highly unpopular members of the small community. There are few clues and information is hard to come by on the pair. Eventually they discover they had a hermaphrodite child (with both male and female organs) many years before, who seems to have vanished of the face of the earth, having been dumped in a boarding school many years before.
The couple have moved many times and during that time they have changed their name and lifestyle on many occasions.
Meanwhile in Minneapolis a serial killer is on the loose and killing on a daily basis. The Police to start with are baffled as to the reason for these odd and random murders.
They are soon helped by a team of five techno freaks who are developing an internet computer game in which gruesome murders need to be solved by the game player. The murderer is committing the murders as the game displays it. The game is immediately taken off the internet but the first seven murders have been down loaded by over 500 users.
The owners of this company Monkeewrench upon investigation also have no details of any of their past beyond the last ten years.
There seems no connection between the two investigations, different regions of Canada with different murders. However both sets of detectives find a link with a small Catholic School.
Is this just a coincidence?
Both groups must work together to try and peace together the truth and catch this very dangerous killer before more murders are committed.
My thoughts on the book:
I really enjoyed this book. It was lively, interesting and quite chilling at times.
The idea of it being written by two authors would never have been known by the reader until you research the authors. I think that in itself says a lot about the close bond between the writers and quality of the work.
The story was excellent. With the authors able to keep you constantly up to date with developments in the other region. This allowed the story to flow and develop.
The pace was also good as you were never sure what was going to happen next in the story.
The quality of writing description was first class, with fantastically amusing dialogue between the main characters. This made them appear more real and is often something missing in thrillers, as the writer concentrates much more on the plot itself. The idea of having Detectives I could relate to was something approaching heart warming for me.
The author's style was good throughout, with a fast moving and very exciting conclusion which left me unsure of the killer until the final few scenes. As any of them could have been the murderer with so much unknown till towards the end of the book.
The book read really well and with short punchy chapters, I found it difficult to put down and with excellent writing throughout it was a wonderful and fascinating book to read.
As for a first novel I think it was outstanding piece of work.
Excellent, enjoyable and scary thriller, I have no hesitation in recommending this book to anyone. I certainly will be reading another book by P.J.Tracy in the near future.
Maybe I should listen to my boss's recommendations in future!!
Published by Penguin
496 Pages
Price £7.99 on Kelboo Books
Author details: www.pjtracy.net
Thanks for reading!!
This review is also posted on Ciao.co.uk by me
CPTDANIELS November 2008
This is the best book I've read in a long time, it's a detective novel but a very clever one. The characters are realistic enough to make you really feel for them when somethinf goes wrong, which it often does, and the plot is fast paced enough to be gripping and interesting.
The basic plot is based around two police investigations for murder, one is a single shooting of an elderly couple and the other a series of murders in a different town in America that are following the pattern of a computer game on the internet. The makers of this internet game are in a panic as they know that they are major suspects for the murder, however the police are in even more of a state as the murders are totting up and they don't know how far this murderer will go. Through very clever twists of the novel the two seperate murder scenes are interlinked and the squuads of policemen are suddenly working together into a world where they don't know what will happen next, and having to bring up the past in very wierd ways. The question is: Will they do it in time?
My views
The characters are well thought out and planned and the plot itself is gripping, I would recommend this to anyone who is interested in either detective novels or psychological thrillers as this is both in one.
In Kingsford County, Wisconsin, the local priest prepares himself to listen to the vitriolic and homophobic outpourings of an elderly couple; regular frequenters of his church and part of his community. However, nothing prepares him for finding them dead. Murdered! Sheriff Michael Halloran, and deputy Bonar Carlson are immediately on the case.
In Minneapolis, Minnesota detectives Leo Magozzi and Gino Rolseth are assigned to the case of a jogger found dead - and discover there's something odd about his mouth. A day later comes case two, a murder in a cemetery - in which the circumstances are even more bizarre.
Also in Minneapolis are the Monkeewrench team; a group of five software programming friends, currently working on a new game, Serial Killer Detective. This is a game where you seek clues from a series of (carefully staged) murder scenes in order to catch the killer. When the news of the cemetery murder hits the press the team are chilled by the familiarity of the circumstances: it's seemingly a copycat killing of the 2nd murder in their game. Unable to let this pass as co-incidence, the group hesitantly go to the police.
As Grace and the team share their concerns on the similarity of the 2nd murder, detectives Magozzi and Rolseth query the nature of the game's 1st. The detectives are shown a picture of a jogger, with a piece of liquorice in his mouth. Immediate suspicion falls on Grace and friends, as the game isn't on commercial release yet. However, it is live online, with hundreds of players, and 20 levels to solve. 20 levels, 20 different murder scenes... The suspect count rises to over 500 and anyone of them could be a serial killer, playing the Serial Killer game!
In investigating the suspects, Magozzi and Rolseth's attentions keep turning to the programmers as it appears there's something in their history that they're running from something, a something for which they'll do anything to keep in the past...
Meanwhile, the case in Kingsford County is taking a more sinister turn too. A search of the elderly couple's property suggests they probably knew their lives were in danger, and further investigation into their past by Halloran and Carlson leads to the conclusion they were running scared, for a long time, from something in the past...
...Or maybe someone?
Want to Play? by P.J.Tracy is a fantastic crime thriller. The book moves at a fast pace from start to finish and whilst there are constant twists and turns and snippets of detail offering up new possibilities and ideas, the storylines remain solid throughout. I found myself gripped, racing through the book at speed as each revelation left me enlightened yet at the same time wanting, needing, to know more.
Likewise the characters are built up strongly. I felt I knew enough about them to be able to relate, whilst on the other hand I suspected that there was so much more still to discover and I really wanted to know what it was.
There's a tendency sometimes in books of this genre to stereotype characters through gender with the males being the dominant macho heroes and the females being timid and over-emotional. I certainly don't feel that's the case with Want to Play? There are strengths and weaknesses across the board. Sexist remarks come from unexpected sources as do heart-on-sleeve emotional displays.
I didn't feel the book was padded out with insignificant details, plot or people for added word count. Everything and everyone was there for a reason.
If I have any criticism of the book it's that you're introduced to a lot of characters and several seemingly independent storylines very early on which can get a little confusing. Another slight bugbear is that whilst you're still trying to get to grips with all the characters, names are then shortened - some get referred to by Christian name and others by surname - which again can cause confusion. It wasn't so much of an issue that it spoiled my enjoyment of the book, but I did find myself keeping a thumb and finger in a couple of pages for a short while so I could refer back to confirm who was who, and who was involved in what.
I'd liken the style to Dean Koontz, (early character overload and concurrent story lines are a common trait of his books) but with an extra dose of humour, and some sexual tension thrown in. A winning combination.
Want to Play? is the debut novel from a mother and daughter team - P.J. and Traci Lambrecht, - collaboratively penned under the name of P.J.Tracy. You'd be forgiven for not recognising that name, as the writing duo are perhaps not what you'd class as prolific (they've published 4 books to date) however quality over quantity is definitely order of the day.
The other books from P.J.Tracy are "Live Bait" (you'll find a several chapter preview of this at the end of the 2004 print of Want to Play?), "Dead Run" and "Snow Blind". Whilst each book can hold its own as a standalone novel, in my opinion you'll get more from reading them in order. Many of the key characters from Want to Play? re-surface, and character development continues. You get the odd reference to events of previous books too, though I felt they were neither crucial to understanding the current plot nor major spoilers of the past happenings.
I have decided that recently I have spent far too much money buying books new when I have bookcases which are quite literally filled to capacity with books which range from very good to unlikely to ever get opened again, so it has become time to start re-reading some of the older ones or ones which are part of series where I might have started reading out of order. This decision was brought about by my recent purchase of PJ Tracy's fourth book, Snow Blind, and the fact that the previous three Tracy books have been nestled at the back of my book case and recently rediscovered (amazing what happens when you need to take your mind off things - the house is tidier than its been for a long time!).
Want to Play introduces the characters which Tracy uses in the subsequent books, they include Grace, a partner in the computer games company Monkeewrench, primarily their output is of educational software but they are in the process of developing a new thriller game in which you are a Police Officer trying to solve a series of murders. Previews of the game are online but suddenly one of the murder scenes becomes real, a young woman is found shot on top of an Angel statue in a Cemetary, but this is the second scene in the game what of the first? And could there be more murders to come?
Meanwhile in Winsconsin an elderly couple have been shot in a chuch while praying at night, aside from an obsession with 'outing' gay members of the congregation they dont appear to have any enemies. So why is there a shotgun rigged to go off if anyone enters their home, and even stranger why do they not seem to have any kind of a past?
The two Police departments discover a link between investigations in an old church school, in New York state, but what are the Monkeewrench partners hiding and is it really relevent to the murder investigations.
PJ Tracy is a writing duo, which to my mind usually means one fairly well known author putting their name to a piece they have only had a passing aquaintence with, though in this case the duo are mother and daugther neither of whom are a successful writer solo, hence the pseudonym. I found that unlike alot of team written books this doesnt have noticebly weaker sections as written by half the partnership, the style and language thoughout is consistant.
While parts of the story line are far fetched (if you were hiding from the FBI would you rename yourself Roadrunner?) overall this is a very put together book which puts just enough in to the characterisations to stop the people seeming overly 2 dimensional, something which has also left room for the subsequent books to expand on.
Broken in to reasonably lengthed chapters you could easily pick this up and put it down again over the course of a few days but I found I just wanted to know who dunnit so kept hold of it until I had finished it.
My only quibble with the book is that the two investigations are being run by teams which seem almost indentical in make up two male leads who are described as phsyically similar, one overtly sexy female (one a cop the other the secretary/receptionist), maybe it was just because I was slightly tired but sometimes the skip between the two I overlooked and found myself wondering why one dectective was talking to one from the other investigation until I caught up.
As far as I remember I bought this in a charity shop for around 50p, which was an absolute bargain, but it can currently be bought from amazon for between £5.99 and 1p (in the market place), though is also avaliable under the title Monkeewrench. It is 453 pages long, and really should be read before any of the other books by PJ Tracy.
A group of five friends are creators of a company called Monkeewrench. They produce computer games for pre-school children and have made themselves substantially rich in the process. One of the team, Grace MacBride, decides they need to branch out and they create a game called Serial Killer. The player has to decipher clues from each murder, to enable them to get to the next level in an attempt to catch the killer.
However, one player seems to be slightly more excited by the game than the norm and begins to recreate the murder scenes, right down to the last tiny detail in real life.
Its a real problem for the police and with four murders in as many days; they are running in circles trying to catch the real killer with the knowledge there are twenty murders altogether in the game. No one is free from suspicion and everyone, including the Monkeewrench team, is considered and the more the Detectives look into Monkeewrench, the more they find they need to know!
This is the first PJ Tracy book I have read and I am glad I chose this one instead on Snow Blind, which I was going to read first. Want to Play was the first book by the mother and daughter team and was heralded as Debut of the Year and I have to say, it is a tag line that I am pretty much in tune with. They have written four books that I am aware of so far and although each book is a standalone story, the characters seem to be constant, or at least the main characters anyway. Whilst this means each book could be read out of chronological order, I will find it easier to be accustomed to the characters before I continued with the rest of their publications.
Having never really read crime books before this was a real pleasure for me and I have found a new genre to fulfil my literary needs. I say crime book in a very loose sense, because although it does cover detective work and gives a good deal of detail on how the Minneapolis police work the case, it is also very suspenseful and in some ways resembles thrillers I have read by Dean Koontz, Intensity for example seems to have a similar writing style in my opinion. Although Koontz does like a good bit of gore in his books, PJ Tracy have not held back with descriptions of the death scenes and this was something I found very addictive.
Due to the nature of the serial killer, and the copycat way they were going about the killings, it lent itself to some very eventful and unique murders. For instance in one level of the game a young girl is found dead, on top of an angel statue in a cemetery. The game player is meant to look for clues as to how and why she died, but the real killer simply followed the game murder to the letter and PJ Tracy describes how she was led to the cemetery and how the murder actually took place. Very insightful!
There is a lot of history with all the characters and I really enjoyed the back stories, as although they feel a little excess to the plot at times, they are all actually very necessary and tie in with the whole story at the end. Each sub-story was still, however, very interesting to read and I didnt feel I was bored.
As far as suspense goes, I can honestly say I did not work out who the was killer until it was revealed in the book, and thankfully that wasnt until pretty much the last chapter. The authors manage to send you all over the place with your thoughts in terms of who dunnit, and I really enjoyed the way they gave you a little bit more with each chapter. But this was never too much, otherwise I could have figured it out and it was a genuine surprise when I read the answers. Again this was given to you in a really atmospheric way, that gets you totally caught up with the story, and you are riding the wave with the Detectives. As they find out, you find out and I really liked this style of writing.
The only part of this novel I found irritating was the introduction of a lot of people in a short space of time. This led to some early confusion, as characters were mentioned and I found myself on a couple of occasions checking back to see who they were and how they fitted into the plot. It was about three quarters of the way through the book that I finally became fluent with everyone and how they slotted into the network of characters. However in saying this, it didnt cause confusion as such, because the story was so well written, anyone I was unsure about initially, became an interesting and entertaining personality, meaning that even if I wasnt entirely sure who they were, it didnt seem to matter. This does however; help me to explain my preference to reading this novel first, as it kind of sets a base for the next few novels, allowing an immediate interaction with them, rather than having to scene set again.
Overall this book is highly recommended, and PJ Tracy is definitely on my favourite authors list for now. Their second book Live Bait will be my next read and if you are interested there is a small taste of this at the end of Want to Play, although I didnt read it as I already have the book ready, but it did mean the novel finished before I was expecting it to, as the last chunk of pages is taken up by this taster, and I thought it would be more of Want to Play. This was slightly disappointing but it meant that the story ended exactly where it needed to. Everything was tied up and there was nowhere else for it to go without becoming a long drawn out conclusion. I was only disappointed, as I had enjoyed it so much.
Available from Amazon for £5.99 and is definitely worth the money, however if you are unsure, I would also recommend a book site like Bookhopper where you can request second hand books for free if you offer some up too.
Want To Play? This is the debut psychological thriller by an American mother - daughter team. It is part of their ongoing Monkeewrench series (the American title of this book), the latest being Snow Blind which was out in September 2006. The first three books went on to become National and International bestsellers.
What made me pick us this book online was the fact that one of my favourite authors Harlen Coben spoke so highly of it, so in an instant I just new that the chances were Id enjoy it.
Grace MacBride is part of the Monkeewrench team, who are in the process of creating a new computer game which involves the player solving murders. Going on else where in Minneapolis are a couple of gruesome murders that at first glance seem unrelated to each other. Grace however soon realizes that these very murders are exact copies of the ones in the game. The game although not released to the public has partly been available to try out online. With already hundreds of players already signed up and getting into the game, the case for detectives Gino and Magozzi isnt going to be an easy one to solve. Somehow they must unlock the secrets of the Monkeewrenchs past which up until 10 years ago has been erased, if theyre going to stand the slightest chance of stopping these killings.
If I could sum this debut thriller up in one word it would have to be WOW! Obviously youll want to know more than that, so Ill tell you why Ill definitely be purchasing the other three books in the series.
With some thrillers I tend to find that it can take a while for the story to get going, but in this case from the very first chapter you know youre going to be in for a gripping ride.
As the story went on and I was being fed more and more pieces of the puzzle to put together, I soon realized that this one wasnt going to be an easy who dunnit at all.
In some respects the book reminded me of the Agatha Christie novels, in as much that the story contains quite a few significant characters. Ive found that Ive never been able to get into Christie's books because of this, as if your unable to read the book in a short time frame, then you soon forget whos who. Im delighted to say however that this writing duo have got the balance just write, and never once did I find myself having to flick back through the book to reacquaint myself with a character. Each character was brought to life and made very believable and never once did I feel that they were there to pad the book out.
As you would expect from a thriller, this book is certainly not for the faint hearted. Each of the killings is described very graphically, so its probably best not to eat anything while reading this book. Although the book none surprising takes on a very dark tone, the authors do try and instill some dry humour into the gruesome goings on to break up the proceedings as well as a romance, but neither detract from the main story.
The story is split up into fairly short chapters, each one ending in such a way that you just have to keep on reading until you've finished the book. You almost feel as if youre reading the book in real time, as the detectives race against the clock in the hope of finding the next intended victim, before its too late. I found myself getting very emotionally involved with the story, as I felt the frustration of the detectives as they try to stop each killing which seems near to impossible. I felt the loneliness of the victims whose light was put out way too soon, but also the hope that the killer/s would slip up giving just enough chance to bring their killing spree to a halt.
The theme of this book is that the past has a nasty habit of coming back and biting you on the bum. Without spoiling the story for you, its fair to say that some of the characters would rather leave the past just where it is. The authors drummed home this theme perfectly, and very clearly got across the fact that you can run from your past, but sometimes facing it is the only way youll ever be free.
To be honest since my school days its not that often youd find me curled up with a book. For a book to hold my attention its got to have an engaging plot, interesting and believable characters, and not something that would take me an age to read. This book ticks all of those boxes, and best of all much to my annoyance I wasnt able to guess the outcome until the very last chapter.
Since I enjoyed this book so much I can whole heartedly recommend it to fans of this genre. I will certainly being purchasing the other books in the series, and at the back of this book can be found the first four chapters of the next in the series which is Live Bait.
This book is available to purchase on Amazon for £6.39 new and from £0.01 used (watch out for p&p).
Paperback edition published in 2004 by Penguin Nooks Ltd, and contains 454 pages.
Other books in the series so far are:-
Live Bait 2005
Snow Blind 2006
Dead Run 2006
I have only just discovered this author and can honestly say I really enjoyed this first novel from the mother-daughter writing team that is P.J.Tracy!!Although it had some faults ,overall this was good enough for me to want to read more of their work.
The book begins when an elderly couple are found shot dead in a small town church in what appears to be an isolated,one-off incident.Investigating the couple's background,the local sheriff discovers the pair had booby-trapped their house prompting his curiosity into just who these people were...
Meanwhile,in the city of Minneapolis,a series of bodies begin to turn up in the copycat style of a new computer game currently being finished for release by 5 computer software designers.Investigating the backgrounds of the designers reveals a series of inconsistencies and a certain level of paranoia and secrecy shared by the group.Considering that in the finished version of the game twenty murders in total are comitted,Detective Magozzi begins to feel the pressure from city hall and the mayor,his own police chief and several influential and powerful citizens as he investigates whether the designers are actually potential victims or the perpetrators themselves.....and what connects these murders to the deaths of the two elderly church-goers?
Reading like a Hollywood blockbuster,the book is very cinematic in style and runs like a movie in your head.Some of the writing felt a little stilted in places for example in an early chapter where it states "Grace was mummified in a long terry robe;Charlie was naked"-only to reveal a few sentences on that Charlie is actually a dog(how can a dog be naked?)
Mind you these are just minor niggles and overall like I say I found this thriller pretty satisfying-a diffrent style to the Karin Slaughter books I have been enjoying so much of late,but very reminiscent of the early Michael Slade books-Headhunter and Ghoul(well worth picking up if you ever see them along with many of the others in the series) that I read religiously some years back.
To summarize,if you like slick Hollywood thrillers such as Seven,you'll probably enjoy this fairly easy read but don't expect too much from it if you've read Karin Slaughter or Patrica Cornwell and enjoyed them...this is almost like a lite version of Mo Hayder,enjoyable just don't dig too deep....a bloody good thriller though from a first time author-though Slaughter's Blindsighted was better!!
The next book in the series,Live Bait is far superior so my advice-give this author a go.......


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Drew improving but out of lineup
Right fielder battling with a minor bout of vertigo
By Ian Browne / MLB.com
Drew has been experiencing dizziness the last couple of days and is pretty sure he has another bout of vertigo, a malady that has plagued him several times in his life. He was out of the lineup for the second night in a row.
However, unlike former Sox first baseman Nick Esasky, who came down with vertigo after joining the Braves in 1990 and was forced into retirement thereafter, Drew only gets the most minor cases of the ailment.
"I've had little bouts of it here and there, just a day or two at a time," Drew said. "Fortunately, it never lingered for weeks. I know for [some guys] it was weeks and years and months."
Perhaps Drew's condition will lessen to the point that he's available by Sunday.
"It's never fun," he said. "Sometimes it can go years without showing itself. Two, three years, and then I'll get a day or two of it. It's just one of them things. I had one little deal of it last year that wasn't real major."
Ian Browne is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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The Tri County Regional Water Distribution District is still making the rounds and collecting input for developing a regional water source in Shoal Bay, according to Harry Willard, general manager.
"There continues to be considerable interest in this project by those utilities in east Logan County and northeast Yell County," Willard said in his manager's report.
Willard and board members met with Scranton aldermen and Logan County officials and visited several Dardanelle city officials, all of whom see water usage going up in the next year.
Northeastern Yell County has completed an upgrade along State Highway 28 and will continue expanding, Willard said.
The next step will be for Tri County and its partners to met with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in Little Rock and ask to conduct an environmental impact study (EIS) on the property, which lies in U.S. Forest Service land. Creating a reservoir would take more than 1,000 acres, Willard said previously.
Willard said he met with Rob Copack, who is the deputy district ranger with the U.S. Forest Service in Paris. Copack recommended the EIS.
Rural Development has also been kept abreast of the progress, Willard said. They recommended Willard speak with Jerry Honey with the Harrison office because of his experience with similar projects.
"Apparently, he has had a good bit of experience in working with other projects similar to this project," Willard said. "I have known Mr. Honey for several years and would expect that he would be willing to share his knowledge and experience with Tri County."
Tri County and Russellville City Corp. held another joint meeting Oct. 16, but failed to sign and agreement.
Willard said he thought all sides had come to an agreement, but after six hours, Tri County and City Corp. still disagreed on the proposed property transfer of Cove Landing to City Corp.
"In an earlier proposal by Tri County to City Corp., Tri County had offered to transfer that area east of Russellville that draws water from the I-40 Vault to City Corp. in exchange for necessary up-grades needed to provide more water to the Tri County Gum Log Pump Station," Willard's manager report stated.
The potential income the city would gain from Cove Landing would offset costs for providing additional water needed at the Gum Log Pump Station, Willard said. But City Corp. disagreed the return would be satisfactory, even though the area has about 300 customers that pay about $120,000 a year.
According to Willard, City Corp.'s engineer estimated the upgrade to cost about $1.2 million, and it would take more property to make the upgrades cost-efficient. Tri County's share of that cost would be about 40 percent or $580,000.
"We have also asked that City Corp. provide our engineer with drawings and other information regarding the improvements so that we can verify their estimated cost," Willard said.
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Leaks have slowed progress on the Herrick Road extension, but all that remains is clean-up work from the rainfall and the project will be ready to put online. Letters were sent to residents on Postal and Cloud Mountain roads, advising the project is in the planning phase.
A storage tank line at the Moores Chapel Extension developed a leak, and crew began relocating the supply line. The tank should be ready to refill Monday. Samples will be taken to the state health department before putting the tank back online, Willard said.
The state Natural Resource Commission may be able to help Tri County with the Kingston/Rover Project. Willard is looking into options.
A letter from the health department requested additional information. The department needed confirmation that City Corp. could provide the flows and pressures that were required for supplying the Gum Log Pump Station in Tri County's area. A copy of the letter was sent to City Corp.


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Game of the Week for November 19
|Mike Napoli was a month away from his major league debut when he went 4-for-5 on opening night at Tucson.
It's a little early for the November 19 Game of the Week, but I'm going to be out of town so I'm posting it now.
This is the opening night game of the 2006 season for the Salt Lake Bees at Tucson. Joe Saunders is on the mound for the Bees. It's a big game for Mike Napoli, who goes 4-for-5 with a double.
Plenty other future Angels are in the lineup — Erick Aybar, Howie Kendrick, Dallas McPherson, Kendry Morales, Tommy Murphy, and Reggie Willits.
It also happens to be the first game for this franchise playing under the name "Bees." They'd been the Stingers since 2001, and the Buzz before that. The name Bees came from Salt Lake baseball history, as many professional baseball teams in Salt Lake over the decades were called Bees. New owner Larry H. Miller decided to restore the name he remembered from his childhood growing up in Salt Lake City.
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