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|September 6, 2013, 04:35 AM
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RIA vs Norinco 1911A1
OK, looking for some insight from the TFL family. I think I know which one I'm going to pick, but I want to get some additional insight.
I want to try the 1911 Kool-Aid.
First, I plan on renting one first. My local indoor range has a Taurus PT1911 that I can rent, to determine how I feel about the platform- won't tell me much about the ones I am looking at, but it's the best I have access to.
That said, for my first 1911, I'm gonna go with a basic version, preferably a 1911A1/GI type. Nothing fancy, just a plain jane 1911.
The two I am looking at most are:
Norinco 1911A1 (used)- wood hogue grips and 1 mag; price is $589 (gun is on consignment, but has been there for a while, and my LGS owner is gonna ask the consigner about dropping the price). Gun feels good, and I know and trust the seller.
RIA GI M1911A1 MilSpec (new)- basic factory Rock Island. I would be ordering this from budsgunshop.com. Price would be between $449.51/$437 (depends on if I pay cash or credit) including my FFL fee.
This would not be a carry gun immediately. I generally carry a SA/DA 9mm/9mm Mak, and the totally different action would need practice. This will initially be a range gun, potentially serving nighstand duty beside my Ruger Security Six, and maybe upping to a car/trunk gun. If I really get bit by this thing, and I feel comfortable with the switch, it may one day become a carry gun.
MY question is this: For the purposes stated above, which do you think would better serve my purposes. Would the RIA hold it's value more than the Norinco? Would scarcity apply an upward push on the Norinco's value anytime in the near future? I'm used to buying used guns, and have had really good luck with them. I know the price is a little high on the Norinco, so what price point would make the Norinco a smarter buy?
This is my first dip into the 1911 pool, so don't splash me too hard...
|September 6, 2013, 06:08 AM
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I would recommend a new RIA for someone new to 1911s. RIA has a great reputation for customer service/repair if there are ever any problems with it. Norcs are very good guns, though. I can't speculate on future value but, as you know, there aren't any new ones coming into this country.
|September 6, 2013, 06:21 AM
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I personally would go RIA.
New gun, warranty and excellent customer service from a company that stands behind their products.
Neither gun will appreciate much, so that's a moot point.
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|September 6, 2013, 07:12 AM
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High price on the Norinco
I have a Norinco and although I love it, would not pay that much for it. I agree go for the new gun with a warranty instead. I favor the plain 1911 also.
|September 6, 2013, 09:12 AM
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Agreed on that Norinco being priced on the steep side. Either gun is a gamble... There've been amazing out of the box Norincos, and also some whacky ones too.
The Norinco will make for a great build base. Good frame and slide. My slide stop busted... so some of the small parts can be a little sketchy.
|September 6, 2013, 09:31 AM
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RIA all the way on this one. A buddy of mine has one and has slowly turned it into a custom for his wife. Really good shooting 1911.
|September 6, 2013, 09:35 AM
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If you're into the 1911's and want to start off without hurting your wallet too much. I'd say get the RIA.. Buds Gun Shop has a few for sale for under $500.
My first 1911 was a Springfield Armory Mil-Spec. It made me extremely happy.
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|September 6, 2013, 01:35 PM
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Offer them $500 for the Norinco. It is a better frame, slide barrel as long as the locking lugs look good. The Norinco is a much better base gun due to these characteristics. These guns will not go down in value they might even go up a little.
Nothing wrong with the RIA it is a good basic 1911 but it is built to hit a price point and not much more. It will lose value as soon as you fire it. I see them selling used in the sub $400 range all the time.
If I were considering one for a duty gun I would get the Nork. Shoot a 1000 rounds get comfortable with it and then send it out for a bit or tasteful custom work to make it a 1 of a kind.
With the cost of 45 ACP ammo these days the initial cost of the gun is the least of your worries... LOL
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|September 6, 2013, 02:39 PM
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I have generally favorable opinions of RIA. They're meat and potatoes 1911s. A bad one will come along every so often, but all the ones I've handled personally impressed me with decent triggers and tolerances that were tight without bordering on too tight. I'd have no qualms owning one. Like any pistol you should fire a substantial amount of rounds before trusting your life to it, especially if you already have pistols that serve that pistol. I have no experience with Norinco 1911s.
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|September 7, 2013, 01:35 AM
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|September 7, 2013, 03:10 AM
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While there is nothing wrong with RIA 1911s, of the two I would go with the Norinco. The slide and frame are forged, while the RIA is cast. Also, as stated by others, there aren't any more Norinco 1911s being imported. Ultimately, the Norinco would be a better base gun should you choose to start customizing it. Just my two cents.
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|September 7, 2013, 04:04 AM
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I haven't done enough digging through here to see if the "cast v. forged" debate is substantial or just smoke and mirrors.
Your point about them no longer being imported is the biggest reason I have considered the Norinco over the RIA. That said, since I am looking for a 1911 to get started in the platform, I think the RIA is gonna be the winner.
My LGS has 1911s come and go all the time, but this one continues to sit. I think the cost is keeping people away, and from hearing opinions here, I can see why. I may go one of the bigger shops in the area and see if they have a RIA GI that I can put my hands on and see if I wanna drop the money.
Of course, I may rent the PT1911 and decide I don't want to invest in the platform. But I doubt it...
|September 7, 2013, 01:51 PM
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|September 7, 2013, 03:12 PM
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RIA Frames are cast.
Right from their website: Our 1911 Frames are Cast 4140 Carbon Steel and our Slides are Forged 4140 Steel.
The cast vs forged debate is rooted in some truth but honestly there is nothing wrong with a cast frame at this price point. Caspian frames are cast as were early Dan Wessons. The slide and the barrel is where the real action takes place. It is where the wear and tear really happens on a 1911. RIAs seem to hold up well but in an apples to apples comparison the Nork will hold up better.
While the Nork will never become a collectible it will hold its value better than the RIA. IMHO you could buy the Nork for $550 and sell for the same $$$ years later. If you know the seller and trust that it is in good working order not a lemon being dumped it is the better gun of the 2.
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|September 7, 2013, 03:39 PM
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^^excellent cast vs forged frame^^^ info by WVsig
I think it is a moot point, especially when you consider we have (we the shooting community, including a 9mm I own) have accepted poly framed pistols.
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|September 7, 2013, 03:41 PM
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If you are going to judge the entire 1911 world based on a abused rental Taurus, I hope it's one of the good ones they put out.
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|September 7, 2013, 03:46 PM
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Quite a bit of truth there ^^^ I tried and wrote off 1911s because every time I shot them at the range, I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn (they were worn-the-heck-out). Then I tried my friend's S&W... Game Over.
|September 7, 2013, 03:53 PM
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As Kev said, whatever you do- don't judge the 1911 by an abused rental model Taurus...
That, and .45acp ammo isn't too bad anymore. My local academy generally has brass 230g fmjs for around 21 bucks per box of 50. They are also no longer limiting quantities.
|September 7, 2013, 10:38 PM
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There aren't any more Norinco's coming into the Country. I own a RIA and would choose the Norinco simply because the limited supply in this Country will only drive prices upward.
That appears a fair price for the Norinco based on what I have seen.
|September 8, 2013, 12:37 AM
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I would not place a premium on a forged versus a cast frame. Done properly they will both do the job. I have a cast Essex frame with over 30,000 rounds through it and still going strong. I have a series 70 with a crack above the slide stop hole, a fairly common occurrence and I still shoot the gun. I do like the graphics of the Norinco better than the RIA.
|September 8, 2013, 06:42 AM
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1911s are expensive, it's not because they're 1911s and that makes them "magical" but rather they can be either made on the loose end and not as accurate, or hand finished to be tight and accurate. Proper trigger feel, bushing/barrel fit, slide/frame fit, a tight chamber that doesn't result in misfeeds... that all takes time and costs money. If you don't want a fragile gun made of MIM parts, that will also run you more money.
It's not a 1911, any gun that would require this amount of manufacturing and finishing would cost this much to run right and last long. It's just that there's a market for high end 1911s.
People wander into a gun store, buy a 600 dollar RIA or an 800 dollar Ruger (or worse yet a Sig or Taurus) then cry all over forums about how 1911s are unreliable and finicky with ammo and if they really want to get something reliable, they need the Glock--which has a chamber so loose you could probably chamber a cartridge one caliber above and still have it fit. Worse yet, they turn amateur gunsmith and go to town with a dremel tool and try to polish and fit the parts themselves and leave a trail of Jethro-d guns in pawn stores that work sporadically at best.
OK, so not all plastic guns are bad
|September 8, 2013, 07:46 AM
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MIM filled 1911s are made to hit a price point. The Ruger is a great example. They wanted to sell that gun at $700 MSRP street of around $550 to $600 but they could not keep up with production and had some teething issues. As a result they have bumped the price about $100 which makes it more viable. They have all the features people are looking for in a semi-custom or custom gun at a fraction of the price. For many shooters this is all they want and all they need. This does not make these guns the same as a hand fitted Wilson or even a wartime Colt but if you go in knowing what you are buying with eyes wide open then you are fine. I personally prefer MIM free guns but that does not mean there is not a place for budget shooters like the RIA and Ruger.
The vast majority of guns that come from any manufacturer run right out the box. They never malfunction due to a factory defect and serve their users well. Everyone produces a lemon even guys like Wilson and Baer. I am not a Taurus fan. I am not a huge fan of the Ruger. I don't like the external extractor of the Sig but that is a personal preference. That does not make these bad choices for other shooters if they understand what they are getting.
Also 99% of the time accuracy is all about the Indian not the arrow. Most shooters here are or on any gun board or at any range are the weak link in the chain when it comes to accuracy. Very few of us are really outshooting the mechanical accuracy of our handguns.
There are good 1911s from $450 to $5000+ you just need to understand the limitations and the trade offs of any given price point. Both the RIA and the Nork the OP is considering are fine examples of 1911s within their price points. There was a time if you wanted a custom gun built by Wilson the base gun had to be a Colt or a Nork.... I think that speaks to the quality of the foundation you get with the Nork which is one of the reasons I recommend it over the RIA. YMMV
Shade tree gun smiths destroying 1911 is a topic for another thread.
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|September 8, 2013, 07:50 AM
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with the Nork, as you know, you're on your own in terms of warranty, etc, the RIA will have some backing from the maker should it be needed.
In between those two, I'd buy the Chinese "Model of the 1911A1" myself, having owned them before. First, take a look at the top barrel lugs to make sure no rounding/peening issues and a tight lockup there. Mine were/are very accurate for a cheap commie reverse engineering but otherwise delightful 45 auto. (How I envy those north of our border for not having Bill Clinton as their leader in this regard... sorta)
I'd offer $500 for the sale, see if they take it, then spend more money to make up the difference with my LGS to buy magazines, ammo, holster, etc covering any loss he might take on the consignment (typically what? 10-20% of the sale price?)
But I would not turn down my nose to a nice little RIA either. Good value for the price point methinks. As is Ruger's model, when you can find them. You could always save up some more $$ and go with a base Colt or Springfield, Kimber, Remington, etc for a few hundred more. (but I want it now! )
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|September 8, 2013, 08:12 AM
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Then we talk about the RIA. The RIA is a fine gun. There are the issues above, but those are idealist metallurgical issues. Practically, an RIA is a good basic 1911. It could have some minor fit issue which causes function issues. The good thing here is RIA will back their gun and fix it for you. This is the key. You want the RIA for this reason alone.
If you worry about the cast parts or frame, then put more pennies together and get a Dan Wesson.
Frankly, I would buy the RIA.
One last thing. If you want to put a bunch of money into customizing it, don't bother. That is not the point with an RIA. Get a Springfield at minimum if you want to customize it.
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Doc Rivers small rotation crew headed by KG expose the identity of the 23-11 Knicks super-star Melo, and coach Woody 48 minute Melo-system-play-plan that Woody has been running consistently for 34 games (with Melo or without Melo in the lineup) .. a system that is only good for a 50 win season, and a unsuccessful postseason series .. having just one-strategy made Denver a first-round series team.
Lucky we are early in the season, where changes and several new plays could be added with the return of "Camby & Stat" to the rotation.
This season 34 games has average a low 8 points per game on fastbreak baskets .. making us one of the top-5 worst transition teams in the league, plus being out-rebounded 2 games out of every 3 games does not make us look like the top-contender for the ECF.
So if u are curious about what is the "48 minute Melo-system-play-plan" it is a halfcourt system of walking the ball up-court on 98% of our offensive-possession to a setup defense where we have less or one option to score on a decent defensive team. Plus we get to layed back resting in our halfcourt-offense watching Melo & JR take more than 50% of the team shot attempts, which make teammates take their time getting back on defense, as if they expect our oposition to walk the ball up the court on their offensive-possession LOL.
This system has not been utilizing peremeter-shooter Novak for 9 shot attempts per game, or Brewer in the back-door, or a transition fastbreak basket from all the steals rookie Pablo has had since the preseason games.
Its not about being a Melo-Hater .. its about knowing the type of player Melo were in Syracuse & Denver, a one conventional skill offensive-player who all-around best performance has not reach the level of Dwayne Wade poor performance.
Its not Stat that must co-exist with Melo .. its Melo that NEED to co-exist with Stat to take Melo to the next level.
Its coach Woody's job to explain this to Dolan's boy Carmelo Anthony ..
Man-up Woody...


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May 22
The San Juan Basin Farm Bureau's Meet the Candidates Night, 7 to 9 p.m. at the Montezuma County Annex Building, 103 N Chestnut, Cortez. Forum for 2014 primary candidates. Doors open at 6:30 p.m. A second forum planned for the Annex on Oct. 6 from 7 to 9 p.m.
The Mobile Seed Story Broadcasting Station (MSSBS) will be at the Mancos Public Library from 9 to 11 am.
The Mancos Public Library Trustees will hold their board meeting at 5 p.m. in the library.
May 23
Mental Health Awareness walk, noon to 1 p.m., Hawkins Preserve. Theme is Anxiety. Information: Shannon Jones at the Piñon Project, 970-564-1195, ext. 130
May 24 and May 25
The Cortez Cultural Center will be holding the Indian Art and Culture Festival on Memorial Day weekend. Traditional Native American Dances will be held both Saturday and Sunday in the Cultural Center plaza at 12 p.m., 2 p.m. and 4 p.m. The event will also feature 30 vendors Saturday 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. and May 25 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.
May 24
The Mesa Verde Gardeners' annual plant sale in the Front Row Seats parking lot (next to City Market). Lots of member grown tomato plants, perennials, pepper plants, herbs and annuals. Sale 9 a.m. to noon. Call 565-9158 or 565-2598.
Searching for Sasquatch North American tour stops in Cortez at Blondies Trophy Room, 45 E. Main St. Hip-hop and reggae vibes from Black Lion, Coolzey, Apoc, MC Pigpen and more 9 p.m. Ages 21 plus. No cover. Call 970-739-4944.
Durango Nature Center Tracking and Wilderness Skills Workshop, 10:30 a.m.-12:30 p.m., free for members, $10 for non-members. To register, email firstname.lastname@example.com, call 769-1800 or register at www.durangonaturestudies.org/wildwords.htm
May 29
"What is Spirit" is the topic at 6:30 p.m. for the "How You Can Be Part of a Christian Community with Integrity and Not Believe All Those Things You Thought You Had to Believe" conversation at St. Barnabas Church (North and Elm). Wine and cheese. Call 565-7865.
May 30
Rock 'n' roll with The Burnouts at Blondies, 9 p.m., 45 E. Main St., Cortez. Ages 21 plus.
May 31
Annual Skate for Life Skateboard and BMX competition at Cortez Skate Park and pavillion. Registration starts at 9 a.m., competition at 10:30 a.m. Participants must wear helmets; anyone under age 18 must have a permission form signed by parent or guardian. Concert in the pavilion after the competition, with Nightquarium, The Burnouts, Iceman, Nu3tron, DJ Pookie, GLife. Call 505-320-8910.
The Live Dangerous Tour in downtown Cortez at 9 p.m. Hip-hop with GLIfe and DJ Pookie, Nu3tron, Iceman, P.A. Jackson and more. Ages 21 plus. Call 970-739-4944.
May 31
The Mt. Lookout Grange is hosting a Soil Building Workshop,11 a.m.-1 p.m. at the Mancos Public Library. Learn simple, low-cost, do-it-yourself techniques to create healthier soil. Be prepared to be outside and get dirty!
Through May
Animal welfare exhibit at the Cortez Public Library, 202 N. Park St. The exhibit, centered on the book "We Animals," includes fliers, brochures, library books and a computer. View videos and photos of animals and lesson plans for teachers. Information: 970-565-8117.
Currently on display at the Cortez Public Library, 202 N. Park St.: Kim McDonnell is the Southwest Artists League artist of the month for May. Photography by Marc Meyer and Chuck Haspels. All proceeds from the sale of the photos benefit the library. This display will run through the end of June. Information: 970-565-8117.
"Fizz! Boom! Read!" is the theme of Raising Readers Storytime at the Cortez Public Library, 202 N. Park St. Held every Thursday at 10:30 a.m. for preschool-age children. Older children may join the craft at 11:15 a.m. "Birds" (featuring "Grumpy Bird") on May 8; "National Smile Month" on May 15; "Water a Flower Day" on May 22; and "Rodeo Days" on May 29. On May 29, Storytime starts at 10 a.m., sponsored by the Ute Mountain Roundup Rodeo Committee, featuring stories, songs, crafts, roping, a photo op and more. Call the library at 970-565-8117.
June 1
The next Cortez Community Meal will be from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. Join your neighbors for a free brunch at The Farm Bistro, 34 West Main St., Cortez. Bring your family and friends!
June 2
The Montelores Early Childhood Council will hold its next monthly luncheon meeting on Monday, June 2, at 11:45 a.m. in the downstairs meeting room, rm. 110, in the Johnson Building, 525 South Broadway, in Cortez. The public is invited to these meetings, especially parents. Lunch will be provided, so please RSVP to Vangi McCoy by calling 970-749-7017.
Battle Rock Charter School will host a summer reading program during June at the Cortez Public Library. The program will be from 10 a.m. to noon Monday through Thursday starting June 2. All elementary-age students are welcome free of charge. Information: 759-1816
June 5
Montelores Baptist Church hosts "Ernie Couch and Revival" on Thursday, 7 p.m. at 18735 CR 23.5 off Hwy. 184 across from Narraguinnep Reservoir. Free concert followed by a pie and ice cream social. Call 882-2418.
June 12-13
Southwest football camp 9 a.m. to noon each day. Open to students in grades two through eight. Registration can be picked up at the Cortez Rec Center or fourcornersyafl.com. Registration fee is $50 per person if paid by May 28; $60 if paid May 29 through June. Call Ray Weir at (970) 882-4269 through June.
At the Cortez Public Library: Photography by Marc Meyer and Chuck Haspels. All proceeds from photo sales benefit the library. Address: 202 N. Park St., Cortez.
The Dolores Mountain Quilters have a new display at the Cortez Public Library, 202 N. Park St. Call 970-565-8117.
Kim McDonnell is the Southwest Artists League artist of the month for May.
First Monday
Southwest Center for Independence Second Chance Brain Injury group meetings at noon at the Cortez office, 2409 E. Empire. Call Matthew at 570-8001.
Cortez Emblem Club No. 261 meets at 6:30 p.m. the first Monday (except in January and February). Call 565-2197.
First Tuesday
American Legion Ute Mountain Post 75 meets at 7 p.m. at the American Legion Hall, 320 N. Harrison St. Call 565-8151.
Dolores Mountain Quilters meets 10 a.m. at the Dolores Community Center, 400 Riverside Ave, Dolores, Colo. The June meeting will be a trunk show by Pat Walker, award ribbon design and fabrication. Guests and visitors are welcome. Information: Visit doloresmountainquilters.org or call Judith Swain at 970-560-4426.
Dolores Mountain Quilters meets 10 a.m. at the Dolores Community Center, 400 Riverside Ave, Dolores. The May meeting will include a workshop for the Quilt Show, bring your sewing machine and possibles. Guests and visitors welcome. Information: Visit doloresmountainquilters.org or call Judith Swain at 970-560-4426.
Diabetes support group meets from 3:30-5 p.m. in the Diabetes Education Room at Southwest Memorial Hospital. Learn how to manage diabetes; share ideas with others. Sessions are free and open to anyone with Type 1 or Type 2 diabetes. Call Michael Dohn, 564-2352, for details.
First Thursday
Montezuma County Republican Central Committee meets at noon at Shiloh's Steakhouse. Email Nicci Crowley at firstname.lastname@example.com or call 570-9372.
Bariatric surgery weight-loss support group meets from 5-6:30 p.m. in the Kiva room at Southwest Memorial Hospital. Share ideas and exchange information with others who have had weight loss surgery. Free. Call dietitian Laura White, at 564-2276.
The First Thursday Art Walk, downtown Telluride at 5-8 p.m. Listen to Open Art Radio on KOTO noon to 1 p.m. on first Thursdays for interviews with artists. Maps available at participating venues and at the Telluride Arts offices in the Stronghouse Studios + Gallery at 283 S. Fir St. Information: tellurideinside.com.
First Friday
First Friday Leadership at First National Bank in Cortez, 8 to 9 a.m. Free. Coffee and doughnuts at 7:45 a.m. Call Dena, 565-3414.
Mancos Masonic Lodge No. 100, 141 E. Montezuma Ave. meets at 7:30 p.m. A "7 Toast" dinner at the Lodge on Tuesday, May 20. All Masons and Masonic Sojourners welcome. RSVP to Darrell Ellis at 970-533-7372 or firstname.lastname@example.com.
First and Third Thursdays
Learn signs and nursery rhymes at the Mancos Public Library at 10 a.m. All ages welcome. Call 970-403-9237.
Second Saturday
The Mancos Valley Historical Society holds meetings at 10 am. at the Mancos Episcopal Church, 479 Bauer St.
Second Sunday
The Mancos Community Dinners each month at Mt. Lookout Grange in Mancos (680 Grand Ave). Pay-what-you-can dinner, bring a dish if you want. For information, to help out or to make donations, call Gretchen at 509-830-4380.
Second Thursday
The Cortez Area Chamber of Commerce's Business After Hours at various locations from 5 to 7 p.m. Call 565-3414.
Republican Women of Montezuma County invite the public to meet at noon at Shiloh's Steakhouse at 5 Veach St., Cortez. Call Rosemarie Beall at 564-1576.
A free legal self-help clinic for Montezuma County parties without an attorney are 2-5 p.m. at the Mancos Public Library, 211 W. First St. Volunteer attorneys will assist one-on-one, via computer link. First-come, first-served.
Third Saturday
Christian Motorcycle Association, CMA - Cortez Chapter holds its 8 a.m. breakfast, 9 a.m. chapter meeting and 10 a.m. ride (weather permitting). At Beny's restaurant in Cortez. Call Chapter President Steve Reed at 970-565-7233. No motorcycle required.
Third Sunday
Literary Explorations with Jennifer Hope meets at 6:30 p.m. at Cortez Cultural Center.
Third Wednesday
The Cortez Area Chamber of Commerce Luncheon is held at noon at Shiloh Steakhouse. Call 565-3414.
Third Thursday
Dolores secondary PTO meets the third Thursday of every month at 3:45 p.m. in Mr. Thurston's office. Email Heather Alvarez at halvarez firstname.lastname@example.com or call Tif at 903-8752.
Fourth Tuesday
4 Corners Republican Women's Club meets at 11:30 a.m. at the Cortez Elk's Lodge. Information: 565-2197.
Last Tuesday
Loss & Grief Support Group, 5:15 p.m. Hospice of Montezuma, 1345 S. Broadway, Cortez. Drop in - Discussion of any loss issue. Information: 565-4400.
Last Thursday
Suicide Support Group, 6:15 p.m. Hospice of Montezuma, 1345 S. Broadway, Cortez. Information: 565-4400.
Last Saturday
Yoga Benefit for the Grange, Mt. Lookout Grange, 680 W. Grand, Mancos. Donation only. Bring towel or mat and water. Refrain from eating an hour before.
Every Sunday
First United Methodist Church has a Native American Worship Service at 2 p.m. Information: 565-3002.
Every Tuesday
The Montezuma Agility Dog Club's Basic Obedience classes for dogs 5½ months and older. Classes are Tuesdays at 7 p.m., last one hour, and begin on April 29 and continue for six weeks. Class size is limited. Registration is first-come, first-served. Information: 970-882-5404.
The Kiwanis Club of Mesa Verde meets at noon at Shiloh's. Information, email email@example.com.
The Dolores Public Library answers technology/software questions about Microsoft Word, email, digital pictures, etc. free at 2-5 p.m. Information: 882-4127.
The Mancos Public Library, offers Little People Storytime on Tuesday's at 10:30 a.m. The program is geared toward children ages 2- 6, but all ages are welcome. Information: 533-7600.
Free medical care, Tuesday from 1 to 1:30 p.m., St. Barnabas Church, 110 W. North St., Cortez. Call 565-4436 to schedule or show up. Limited primary and pediatric care.
Every Wednesday
The Way Christian Church Bible Studies class at 6 p.m.
Wednesday Morning Yoga will be from 9:30 to 11 a.m. at Kaleidoscope, 233 Park St. in Mancos.
Every Monday and Wednesday
Freestyle Defensive Arts is 5:30 to 7:30 p.m. every Monday and Wednesday at the Community Center in Mancos. Kids Freestyle Defensive Arts class, for ages 8 to 15, held 4-5 p.m. every Wednesday. Information: instructor Brian Williams at 903-5576.
Every Tuesday and Thursday
Karate "Ryukoku Seidokan" is at 5:30 to 8 p.m. at the Mancos Community Center. Ages 5 to 10 at 5:30-6 p.m. for $5 per class. Ages 11 and older at 6-8 p.m., for $10 per class. Call Victor Pilcher at 533-7471.
Every Thursday
Raising Readers Storytime offers songs, stories, crafts and silliness, using the Early Childhood Literacy Initiative program at the Cortez Public Library, 202 N. Park St. For preschoolers at 10:30 a.m. Older children may attend the craft at 11:15 a.m.
Free Community Dinner at 6 p.m. at the Cortez Family Worship Center Foursquare Church, 500 N. Washington. Donation appreciated. Call 565-3709.
Every Friday
Friendship Social Group, 1 p.m. at Beny's Diner, 640 S. Broadway, Cortez. For those who are looking for support with finding new friends and social activities after a loss, or need a break from the role of a caregiver. Sponsored by Hospice of Montezuma.
Every Saturday
The Mancos Indoor Flea Market is open 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. at the old hardware store in Mancos, 192 S. Main St. To become a vendor, call Queenie Barz at 749-9320. The booth fee is $15 per weekend, along with insurance and vendor license charges.
At 10 a.m., the Tree of Life In Jesus Messianic Community (Etz-Chayim B'Yeshua), holds services at 1509 Highway 145. Call 970-562-4217 or email firstname.lastname@example.com.


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6:05 am, Dec 7 2013
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Maybe they bribed them...O_O
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Quote from Scyfon
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lol you took the words out of my mouth.
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I never said how well it works
Hey if your interested you can always read
How Google Fights Piracy
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Quote from imercenary
They CAN affect secondary websites, but its a bullshit move with no end in sight. You literally cannot defend yourself against DMCA claims because they don't stand and fight. All they do is run away while you bleed out and the public buys into the belief that secondary websites are in the wrong cause the courts never side with them (on account of the fact that no case has ever gone to court).
Its catch-22. Fight it and you'll never win unless you're a billionaire (in which case they won't DMCA you in the first place in fear that you'd actually bring them to court). Or give up (do what they want) and lose by default.
Actually this is a bullshit move, but its also highly illegal because, from the information given, its not fair due process. Even in cases where Google has won DCMA cases, it has been slapped on the wrist. Its even been successful counter sued twice over the issue. Do you know, it took Sony over 2 years of legal troubles hacking back in 2009 by anon just because they failed the due process issue involved in DCMA of the information stolen? Literally they didnt file a DCMA claim properly. Sony actually had to remove their warrant because it was physically impossible for the hacker, after being caught to actually do because it was on the internet. So there is a legal end in sight, that legal end being your Miranda rights and public pressure. However, I am still not sure if Google is the one filed the DMCA case, because I am waiting for someone to reply to my earlier question in this thread. This whole thing smells like fraud.
Also, court does side with little man. And billionaires do get sued or punished over copyright. Just look at Foxs copyright infringement of SirMixalot. They lost major public face, and employees, over 50 billion dollars in stock when SirMixalot simply told his story to the local news. He only drop the case because Foxs officially apologized for try threaten to sue him. Nintendo recently withdrawled all its DCMA claims youtube due to public pressure and more importantly loss of advertising revenue on youtube. This was also because the very people it DCMAced were it was paying to publish and because it was also target people who had been attacked by fraudulent DMCAs before. So no, the little fish does matter. However, mangaupdates is not a little fish, its a big one. It needs to start acting like it and have a more realistic understanding of how DCMA cases work.
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Google removes links from searches when DMCA specifies those links.When you search for a manga title, you invariably get a notice that some links aren't shown due to a DMCA complaint. They will not remove the whole online reader, but they will remove links to specific pages on that online reader. S ...
Yes, but google has a process in how it files these complaints and removed those searches. From the information given, I have not seen evidence that this process was properly filed? So how do we really know this is google? How do we know if this a proper DCMA claim?
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Exactly. I totally agree with that, it's what they are saying but not doing.
They've known about manga scanlations for a long time. It would be very weird that Viz, Tokyopop, DarkHorse, etcetc never told them to remove those sites from Google searches. If Google did their job, I don't think we would have to see something like this today. Of course don't think that the japanese company are sending anything to Google.
There's only one guy I know of who's actively doing something his stuff ending on the net. His stuff is taken down very fast too. Like 1-2 days after it's up. The rest could do the same. Though it's the big firms in Japan that needs to take this step.
This literally my point brother, except for the fact that not even google files these things like this. They file with a third party for a reason.
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Well said. I agree. Stop complaining. Just take it or leave it.
I was already following manga from the era even before IRC (gotlurk) got dominant, so I dont think this would affect much. BUT, if MangaUpdates is gone entirely, now thats a tough one. But I wouldnt have any place to react because this forum would also gone, right? no
So enough talk, brace yourself, and just take it as a manga lover, we will find the way. biggrin
Facepalm. Ok, man have you ever seen copyright DCMA fraud!? I am sorry if I sound like a jerk, but some us have and we know what fraudulent DCMA claims look like. (Its all my brother talks about sometimes <_<; )
Now before you say huh? or what? DCMA fraud happens
all the time
, else well my brother would out of a decent paying part time job as a paralegal. His boss and his boss's boss would probably be out of a job too.
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2. The DMCA request was for "Contributory Infringement", and this link was provided directly by the organization that filed the request: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/question.cgi?QuestionID= 268
My main point -->
) That the link was
http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/question.cgi?QuestionID= 268
, which is an FAQ not an actual Chilling Effect Open Record DMCA report~! If this was a legit DCMA claim there would be a chilling effects open record report attached with it. That link is missing and everything else that has been posted about DCMA claim points fraud, like it being called "the organization" (
<-- Main point
It is Google policy all DCMA claims they do have to have a proper third party report when they are filed. That report has to list the companies or person on behalf of Google is filing the report else is suspect also to fraud (especially if it involved youtube). Thus, clearly someone is scamming mangaupdates. This is not how Googles legal employees have been taught to file DCMA reports.
Now Mangaupdates could change their link policy and that is ok. I think the new script is a wonderful idea, and I give it applause below. However, the fact remains is they are being scammed. I don't like website who I consider nice and friendly being scammed. It makes me angry and green.... you won't like me when I am angry.
For the new script:
^applauze 'cause scripts are awesome. I just wish we would make this an app for my phone. ^_^;
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I think this is good, it makes a lil harder for companies to find groups
before they had the change to link releases with the releaser page, not that they dont have said links saved in a database already tho :/
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So there is a legal end in sight, that legal end being your Miranda rights and public pressure.
Miranda rights only apply to criminal suspects, not civil. The type of DMCA violations mangaupdates is being accused of are anti-circumvention provisions, a civil violation.
Sorry, but if you can't get something like this correct, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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There is this thing called RSS where you can track all the groups you are following. Just saying!!!
Im tempted to kill the general first, then his staff officers. Sometimes you just want to eat pudding early. All the same, I make myself wait.
The good guys fight for freedom, justice and most words that dont put food on the table. The bad fight to scrub those words from our speech. Only problem is, both sides claim to be good.
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And for new groups or groups without a RSS feed, they're screwed!
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They mostly have one since almost all of them use blogs. (not mentioning the facebook and irc, those links are still present) It's not the groups that r screwed. It's the users since they need to make more effort to search for group websites. But it's not like this s so hard. Google it, look for the irc or fb page, you will most likely find it. It's just become more of a pain now that the direct links r gone.
What i dont get is why are those damnable online readers r still active whereas the group links of MU which are insignificant compared to what the online readers are doing are removed? It's damn infuriating. I am certain those ppl who filed the complaint are either need a serious mental check or plain idiots. One more thing may be that they see MU as an easier target.
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Im tempted to kill the general first, then his staff officers. Sometimes you just want to eat pudding early. All the same, I make myself wait.
The good guys fight for freedom, justice and most words that dont put food on the table. The bad fight to scrub those words from our speech. Only problem is, both sides claim to be good.
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Rarely, very rarely, since Perl6 was announced has there been any funding for Perl5 projects. P6 is the money pit into which most funding disappears into and has been so for quite some time. Some years ago I tried valiantly to get TPF to set up separate funds, at least one for p6 funding and possibly one for p5 funding, so that those who still wanted to fund p5 or who wanted to fund p6 exclusively could do so. That never happened. P5 isn't dead, it's just very, very stable.
Gnat was being honest and, r
P5 isn't dead, it's just very, very stable.
Indeed. The first six years of Perl5, we got a new release about once a year. 5.6 was released in spring 2000. In summer, the perl6 movement started. Summer 2002, over four years ago, saw the last major release of perl5.
No wonder people move on.


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Podcast: EAA Moves on After Hightower
File Size 5.6 MB / Running Time 6:07
As of Monday, Rod Hightower is no longer president of EAA. Jack Pelton, who is leading the search for his successor, speaks with AVweb's Mary Grady about what happens now.
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These date bars aren't dated
Not long ago, I received an email from a reader asking me if I had an excellent recipe for date bars. It had been ages since I'd thought of those classic sweet treats with a cookie-like mixture sandwiching soft, creamy date filling. I hadn't even noticed that date bars seem to have gone out of fashion.
My dad loved oat-laden, crumbly-crusted date bars. Unfortunately, my mom never developed a liking for the rich treat. The recipe my grandmother used to create the dessert that made her son happy stayed tucked into my mom's recipe file, never to see the light of day. Every once in a while, though, my mom would bring a box of Betty Crocker Date Bar Mix home from the grocery store. Maybe beloved Betty had something to do with the demise of date bars. Her date bar mix is no longer available in stores.
On our trips to visit relatives in Indiana, we always made a stop at my dad's cousin's house. She'd have a plate of date bars waiting for my dad. Her bars were not made from a mix - she used the family recipe.
I inherited my dad's love of the fruit referred to as "nature's candy." I stir chopped dates into bran muffins rather than using the standard add-in, raisins. I've been known to pop a couple of pitted dates into my mouth as an exotic mid-afternoon snack. They satisfy my sweet tooth. For years, my car automatically steered off I-94 at the Rothsay exit. A truck stop there served my favorite date-filled cookies. I'd buy a bag of them to eat in the car. The last time I stopped there, I discovered those cookies are no longer available, either. Out of fashion maybe?
Dates have been esteemed in Middle Eastern cultures for thousands of years. In California, where most of the dates in the United States are grown, the firm-fleshed fruit that demands lots of hot sunshine develops in clusters on date palm trees. Most common is the Deglet Noor, the kind you are most likely to find in the grocery store. The much larger and plump Medjool dates are also grown in California and if you are lucky, you will find some in the produce department in your grocery store.
Dates may be small, but they are a package of protein, fiber, minerals, antioxidants and vitamins. They are a low-fat snack with a high level of natural sugar.
The request for a date bar recipe sent me right to my file where I sorted through all kinds of directions for bars and cookies. I couldn't find my grandmother's recipe. Next stop was her tattered ledger filled with her hand-written recipes. And, there it was.
Her original recipe calls for shortening. I used butter. And I doubled the date filling.
With their natural sweetness, dates can be cooked with water until they reach a consistency similar to marmalade. When the mixture is cool, an addition of freshly-squeezed orange juice creates a delightful caramely filling.
The cookie-like mixture that envelopes jammy date filling is sweetened with brown sugar and gets texture from quick-cooking oats. Just out of the oven, the not-too-sweet bars get a sprinkling of ground toasted nuts. These Date Bars are easier to cut when they are cooled to room temperature. I couldn't resist using my heart-shaped cookie cutter.
Grandmother's Date Bars turn an exotic delicacy into a comfortable, satisfying, fashion-worthy dessert.
Grandmother's Date Bars
Date Filling:
1 pound pitted dates, chopped
1 1/2 cups water
2 tablespoons freshly squeezed orange juice
Cookie Mixture:
1 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
1 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 cup brown sugar
1/2 cup butter, room temperature
1 1/3 cups quick-cooking oats
1/2 cup ground toasted pecans or walnuts
Put dates and water in a saucepan. Bring to a boil. Reduce heat and simmer, stirring occasionally, until the mixture is the consistency of marmalade, about 10 minutes. Remove from heat. Allow to cool. Stir in orange juice.
Preheat oven to 325 degrees. Lightly butter the bottom of a 9- x 13-inch metal pan. Line the pan with parchment paper, using enough to have some paper come up and over the sides. Lightly butter the parchment that lines the bottom of the pan. Set aside.
Sift flour, baking soda and salt together into a large mixing bowl. Use your clean fingers to mix in the brown sugar. Cut butter into chunks and add to bowl. Once again, use your fingers to work the butter into the dry ingredients until you create a crumbly consistency. Add oats and mix.
Firmly pat 3 cups of the cookie mixture into the prepared pan. Spoon date filling on the cookie layer and spread evenly. Sprinkle remaining cookie mixture over the filling. Bake for 30 minutes in preheated 325-degree oven. Remove from oven. Sprinkle hot bars with ground nuts. Allow bars to cool in pan. Carefully pull the cooled bars out of the pan, using the excess parchment paper as handles. Cut into 20 to 24 bars.
Tips from the cook
--To toast walnuts or pecans, arrange in a single layer on a baking pan. Bake in a preheated 350-degree oven for about 8 minutes, or until they are golden and fragrant. Remove from oven and immediately transfer nuts to a plate to cool.
-- The one pound of dates called for in this recipe is the weight of dates after they have had pits removed.


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I love the size of these stamps. They are large enough to have clear details and small enough to have a number of fun uses. The stamps seem to be strong too. I was a little worried when I first removed the pony, but the legs held up fine.
Lil' Primrose Best Friend stamp is so cute, and easy to color with copics, I can add another character to the horse. I just love these new clear stamps.
This is a very cute stamp set however I wish the pony didn't have the rose in it's mane. If this had been a separate stamp to use optionally I could've used the pony for boy themes as well.


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Whether you are enjoying yourself outdoors—romping with your kids in the park or enjoying a lazy summer afternoon in the porch—or running around the town doing errands, the sun is unknowingly wreaking havoc on your skin. At that instant or some time afterwards, the only discernible sun damage on the skin is a little reddening or tanning and this fools many into believing that they have managed to get away with this only. But unknown to them, the harmful UVA and UVB rays of the sun have already triggered more sinister processes deep within the layers of the skin and these will rear their ugly heads as wrinkles in about 10-20 years.
So, what actually happens when you step out into the sun, either for your moment of fun or out of necessity?
The Skin's Structure
When your skin is exposed to the harmful ultra-violet rays of the sun, the collagen and elastin present in the skin start to disintegrate. It is worth noting here that while collagen is integral to support the cellular structure of your skin, elastin adds to its elasticity and firmness. The sun's rays also cause disintegration of the DNA and the various enzymes that promote cellular health and produce the essential components in the skin. All these effects of sun's rays in turn, lead to the formation of wrinkles.
The sun's rays also lead to the loss of Hyaluronic acid, a potent moisturizing agent, from the skin. While dry skin doesn't directly cause wrinkles, beauticians agree that it makes the skin appear more wrinkled and thus more aged.
The Best Protection
The culprits in all these processes are the UVA and UVB rays. While the latter causes sunburn, the former has been positively linked to long-term damage to the skin. Although the store shelves are flooded with sunscreens of various brands, most do not offer complete or broad spectrum protection against both the types of rays. So, it not just enough to dab a sunscreen liberally on all the exposed parts of your body; you should use two different types in two layers to give your skin close-to-complete protection.
And while you go about protecting your skin from the ravages of sun, also use a deep wrinkle cream to prevent the appearance of wrinkles and fine lines. An effective wrinkle repair cream contains Hyaluronic acid, tetrahexyldecyl ascorbate, and A-Lipoic acid that promote the production of collagen and elastin and moisturize and nourish the skin to give it a more youthful look.
As Important as Wearing a Shirt
So, now that you know that you have a formula in your hands to get rid of wrinkles, step out confidently in the sun, but do not forget the sunscreen!


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Luxemburg, 16 October 2012 – Today's session of the General Affairs Council included negotiations with the European Parliament on the multi-annual financial framework 2014 – 2020. Another item on the agenda was the coming European Council to be held on 18 and 19 October, which will be dedicated to crisis fighting measures.
"I have made our position clear vis-à-vis the European Parliament on behalf of Austria: "better spending" means optimising the expense-side of the EU budget before employing additional funds. There are areas that could handle EU funds more efficiently, especially with regard to cohesion policy, where major budget volume is blocked and cannot be used. The Commission will have to provide clear proposals for solutions here", the Austrian State Secretary demanded.
The main issue at today's Council was preparation for the European Council session on 18 and 19 October. "At the upcoming summit, measures will be debated that are suitable for boosting growth and employment. For Austria it is important that the countries continue their consolidation measures", Lopatka continued. "I stressed, in particular, the important role of small and medium-sized companies that are the backbone of the European economy. They account for 21 million companies – more than 98 percent of all companies in Europe – and they employ over 87 million people. These companies have been severely affected by the crisis and must be the focus of our attention, because we can look to them for the creation of jobs. The importance of the Austrian demand for easier access to financing has now been recognised at the European level."
The ministers also held a video conference with the President of the European Council Van Rompuy on his report on deepening the economic and currency union. State Secretary Lopatka welcomed the proposals on banking supervision.
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Ignorant question from a newby
PostPosted:Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:08 pm
Hi I'm a newby here and want to expand on my guitar playing.I know mostly open chords and am working on bar chords. I can pick out a few intros and pieces and parts of some short solos. My question is what scale or scales should I learn first. I have a book with all of the blues scales but was wondering should I learn something else first. I am totally ignorant to music theory and stuff like that and I am self taught. I have been playing mostly folk and bluegrassy stuff like friend of the devil,ripple,knockin on heavens door, two sisters stuff like that and I really love those songs but I think its time to expand. So any suggestions would be greatly appreciated and please remember I am musically ignorant other than reading some tabs so you guys might have to dumb it down for me a bit. Thanks in advance Chris..


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The Pixies
Consumer Guide Reviews:Surfer Rosa [4AD/Rough Trade, 1988]
By general consensus the Amerindie find of the year, and I'll say this for them: they're OK. Aurally articulate but certainly not clean, much less neat, with guitar riffs you actually notice and a strong beat that doesn't owe any subgenre. Feature a woman as equal partner--no separatism or blatant gender aggression. If I was on the lookout for contemporaries who proved my world wasn't coming to an end, I might overrate them too. In fact, maybe I still do. B
Doolittle [4AD/Elektra, 1989]
Bossanova [4AD/Elektra, 1990]
Trompe le Monde [4AD/Elektra, 1991]
Death to the Pixies [Elektra, 1997]
Pixies at the BBC [Elektra, 1998]
Pixies [SpinArt, 2002]
Best of Pixies: Wave of Mutilation [4AD, 2004]


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Martin expects return to form as regular catcher
Until Montero, Romine arrive, Yanks turn over duties to veteran
By Alden Gonzalez / MLB.com
Martin signed a one-year, $4 million contract to become the Yankees' starting catcher on Thursday, becoming the low-risk, high-reward acquisition general manager Brian Cashman was looking for to address an uneasy situation behind the plate. The ultimate reward would be for Martin to feel completely healthy and somehow reacquire the skills that made him one of the best catchers in the National League just two years ago.
Martin doesn't see why that can't happen.
"I'm expecting what I've done in the past, and hopefully even better," the former Dodgers backstop said via conference call. "I'm going to do everything I can to get back to those ways. Because talent just doesn't go away. I know I can hit, you know what I mean? I just want to get back to that consistency."
Martin wasn't just consistent -- he was great for a two-year stretch from 2007-08, when he put up a .286 batting average, .380 on-base percentage and 32 home runs while making two All-Star teams and winning both Gold Glove and Silver Slugger awards.
But he batted just .250 in 143 games the following year, then had a nightmarish 2010 that began with a Spring Training groin injury, proceeded with a .248 batting average and five homers in 97 games and ended prematurely with a broken right hip.
After being non-tendered by the Dodgers, Martin -- a product of Montreal -- garnered heavy interest from the Blue Jays and Red Sox, but he said the Yankees "were the ones that pushed the hardest, and that's what made my decision a little easier."
"I think we're adding a very, very good player, which I think is going to help our club," said manager Joe Girardi, who was once the everyday catcher while Posada developed. "I'm excited about Russell."
Martin, who can make nearly $1.4 million more in incentives based on appearances behind the plate and won't be a free agent until after the 2012 season, turned down $4.2 million plus similar incentives from the Dodgers because he "wanted to find out how much the team really wanted me."
"I am excited to be closer to home, on the East Coast, have family come and see me play," Martin said. "But, really, the main thing is having the opportunity to win and have a chance to go to the World Series."
Martin can help the Yankees do that, mainly because he gives them extra flexibility -- and that has little to do with the fact that he can help out as a corner infielder if needed.
With Martin in the mix, the Yankees don't have to rely on a 21-year-old Montero or a 22-year-old Austin Romine to develop quicker than expected. The two of them -- along with Francisco Cervelli -- will compete in Spring Training for the backup role, but both will likely be sent to the Minor Leagues for more seasoning.
And if Cashman wants to dangle one of them in hopes of acquiring a much-desired frontline starting pitcher, he now has that freedom, too.
"The assets this organization currently possesses is high-end pitching depth, as well as high-end catching depth," Cashman said. "If we ever choose to shoot those bullets, we're in a better position to do so.
"I'm not saying I want to shoot any of these assets for trade purposes, but sometimes you have to."
After an extensive physical examination on Martin, Cashman said he's "very comfortable with what I've been told" regarding Martin's injury, which is more common with football players and is believed to have a high recovery rate.
The tests revealed that Martin has a small meniscus tear in his right knee and will undergo what Cashman called "minor" surgery on Monday. It's essentially the same surgery Posada and CC Sabathia previously had this offseason, and the expected recovery time is three weeks.
The Yankees will no doubt be careful, but the 27-year-old Martin is expected to be ready by Spring Training, and Martin said his hip issues are "over with."
"It feels great," Martin said. "I haven't felt anything wrong with it for at least a month now. There's absolutely no problem with it. Before I hurt my knee, I was really pushing [the hip] pretty hard in training and stuff, and I never really had any side effects of pain or anything of that nature. I had full range of motion and everything, so I feel pretty comfortable with my hip."
Now he just needs to get comfortable at the plate again.
Martin, who believes he's "getting better every year" defensively, believes the key to that is a return to basics.
After a successful '08 season, Martin went on a very strict diet and intense offseason training regimen that made him more athletic, but also caused him to lose pop in his bat. He said that forced him to do more with his swing to try to compensate and thus led to an inconsistent approach at the plate.
Heading into the 2010 campaign, Martin took the opposite approach. He put on about 25 extra pounds that put him at 231 at the start of Spring Training, but he still struggled.
Now, Martin said he wants to weigh between 215 and 220 pounds. He vowed he'd be in the best shape of his life when camp opens up in February, and he preached a return to what made him successful in the past.
"I think I got almost in my own way," Martin said. "So this year, I made sure to just come back to the roots and what really got me to where I wanted to be those two All-Star seasons and my first year."
Alden Gonzalez is a reporter for MLB.com and writes an MLBlog, Gonzo and 'The Show'. Follow him on Twitter @Alden_Gonzalez. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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Series 7 DV Power System Series 7 has introduced a new DV power system with universal mounting adapters so one system can power many camcorder models. The SL-50 Lithium-ion batteries are rated at a full 7A/50W capacity, and can power most camcorders in use today. The Series 7 mounting adapter is available for Canon (GL and XLs right now, not XH series), JVC (DV and HD models), Panasonic (CGR types), and Sony L-Series camcorders.
It snaps into the existing battery well, and has an indented locking mechanism for secure mounting. For Sony users, the SL-50 is equipped with a compatible Infolithium protocol that displays the remaining operating time. A four-LED power gauge allows "at a glance" checking of remaining power with the push of a button.
The charging system offers two "fast charge" options (single and double position). The BCL-1 single position charger by Series 7 is a microprocessor-based battery charging unit, charging a single Series 7 SL-50 battery to full capacity in about three hours. The convenient 12 V DC input allows the BCL-1 to be powered from numerous power sources.
A double-position charger is in the works, the company reports. Pricing for the battery pack is around $100.
IDX Dual Cartridge Battery System IDX is introducing its replaceable cartridge battery power system, the Endura Elite, a Lithium-ion system rated at a powerful 142 WH. The V-Mount battery system (there is a gold mount adapter available) uses the IDX Power Cartridge system, a new twin-power cartridge design that effectively doubles its shooting capability for continuous operation for up to 3.5 hours using a 40W Hi-Def ENG/EFP camera.
Self-protection circuits against temperature, in-rush, load, and voltage issues are built into the battery, and two types of serial interface connections allow the videographer to see battery levels in the camera's electronic viewfinder.
For videographers who do a lot of air travel, IDX says the batteries comply with all aircraft security regulations, including both IATA and UN A45 regulations, and can be brought right on board (check specific airline practices, just to be sure). The batteries are fairly compact (3.9" x 6.6" x 2.8") and weigh only 2.75 lbs.
For videographers attuned to environment matters, IDX reports that its batteries comply with European RoHS (Reduction Of Hazardous Substances) regulations that set maximum concentration limits on environmentally unfriendly materials used in electrical and electronic equipment (e.g., lead, mercury, cadmium, et al.).
U.S. pricing had yet to be determined at press time, although European dealers were quoting system kit prices (two batteries with a dual charger) at around $2,200.
Giotto's "Green" Lens Cleaning It's hard not to be "clean and green" these days, and some equipment manufacturers have made products with environmental protection concessions and considerations. One can see where battery makers and consumables producers have such issues to face—but lens cleaner manufacturers? Well, Giotto's says so. It makes a line of lens-cleaning accessories for digital cameras, lenses, viewfinders, and even computer screens and keyboards (the company also manufactures tripods, monopods, and other accessories for video and digital still cameras).
Giotto's Retractable Cleaning Brush, for example, is made from all-natural soft goat hair, Giotto's reports, just one of the natural and environmentally friendly materials used in its cleaning kits.
Whether they include a multi-optical cleaning solution, micro-fiber cloth, retractable natural hair brushes, or cotton swabs, the kits are suitable for all DV cameras and optics, as well as other consumer electronics accessories.
Using pH 6.5 (acidity rating) medical grade ingredients, the alcohol and ammonia-free cleaning solution is good for grease, fingerprints, dust, and smudges, and is safe for optical surfaces.
Petrol Monitor Bag While not necessarily environmental, the new lightweight shoulder bag from Petrol is at least ergonomic.
For example, the 9" LCD Monitor Bag, designed for the Panasonic LH-900 but suitable for similarly sized portable LCD location camera monitors, opens via a flap on the top into a sturdy four-sided hood, with vents at the top that let cables run easily from the pocket to the bag's interior as well as aiding in venting, shading, and viewing the monitor.
Conveniently, the bag also features separate hood sections that can be configured with hook and loop material to allow easy access to the monitor's front panel, which is protected by a clear vinyl shield. A zippered top vent in the main compartment accommodates a wireless system antenna. On the rear panel, there's a handy exterior storage pocket, and the back section opens up to reveal a detachable auxiliary pouch ideal for stashing other accessories.
Petrol's ingenious design includes a convenient bottom docking slot with zippers and an adjustable safety strap to allow easy mounting of the monitor on camera while still cradled within the bag itself. Additional features include external front and rear accessory pockets, an adjustable ergonomic padded shoulder strap, and dual directional easy-glide zippers. The exterior is made from heavy-duty blue and black cordura. The suggested U.S. list price is $179.
Zacuto HD Handgrip System On the topic of ergonomic considerations for pro videographers, Zacuto is introducing the final bits in its support system for HD video camcorders and video accessories.
The ZGrip camera handgrips, for example, let you use both hands outstretched in front of you to support and steady an over-the-shoulder camera mounting system—one that also accommodates just about every add-on or accessory you can imagine (or would want to carry). Monitors, power supplies, matte boxes, focus gears, hard drive recording devices, wireless audio gear, and more can be mounted to either hand-held or tripod-mounted cameras.
All the gear added up together will certainly weigh quite a bit, but it is all within arm's reach and easy view. The system's adjustable arm lengths, arm angles, and fully articulated grips let you get your hands into the most comfortable position for handheld shooting, still with solid support and good balance. The system works with just about any video camera, all the way up to the Varicam/F900 sizes.
The handgrips (priced around $750) are just one piece of the entire Zacuto support system, including camera plates, support rods, quick-release and Z-release mounts, padded shoulder rests, articulated arms, and other mounting accessories and system configurations, available at various prices from $50 to $215.
Lee Rickwood is a media consultant and freelance writer.


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Thanks for the breakdown on the video, Cantstopwatchin
I was racking my brain trying to figure out why JJ (I'll use the name too, although I, like you, am not completely sure) would bother wasting time and energy bullying Mark and Bopper into choosing sides. BUT you mentioned him asking about the U-turn and what M/B would do with it. They just want Mark and Bopper to do their dirty work for them, if they get there before BP.
I think these two guys are used to being heavy-handed at work, and I think many border guards have a serious superiority complex. Whether that develops as a result of their job or whether people who gravitate to that profession are naturally like that, I don't know. One guard here in Canada threatened my Mom once to take her car away and leave her stranded at the border because she forgot to mention the 5 skins of embroidery thread in a small bag on her dashboard when she declared her eggs and milk coming back into Canada!!
As much as I dislike Rachel's tears and whining, I also tend to lean more to her side than Vanessa's. As I said before, Vanessa strikes me as a mean person. I don't think she is modeling very good behaviour for her stepdaughter, frankly. I don't care at all about Ralph's muscles or his tats, what worries me about him is that he's been through three marriages already at such a young age.


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Obamacare Exchange for Credit Unions Expects April Launch
Credit union technology provider EPL Inc. in Birmingham, Ala., said it expects to launch what it said would be the nation's first private health insurance exchange for credit unions, their members and communities.
Private and public health care insurance exchanges are forming in preparation for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act – popularly known as Obamacare – which requires employers to provide health care insurance for employees.
These Web-based exchanges will give employees and consumers apples-to-apples comparisons of costs and coverage options of various health insurance plans, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
Developed with Health Partners of America, EPL's private health insurance exchange – Credit Union Exchange Blueprint – is expected to go live on the Web in April. HPA in Birmingham, Ala., is an employee benefits administrator.
"HPA will help us develop a comprehensive program that will enable credit unions to better understand health care reform and become the only necessary point of contact for members," said Wayne Benson, EPL president/CEO.
"The CUEB will train and educate credit union personnel and members, provide all of the tools and technology, as well as supply marketing materials. Credit unions will have access to many heath insurance products in the marketplace and have the assistance to facilitate the transition on behalf of credit union members and employees," Benson said.
Josh Hilgers, founder of Health Partners of America said, "The CU Exchange Blueprint that we created with EPL is the solution for positioning a credit union in the community, complemented by the wisdom and availability our experts offer. By these standards, this partnership is a proverbial win-win scenario for the credit union and its members."


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"Piazzolla's harmonic sequences have a sense of inevitability in the way they pull inexorably toward the cadence, and it is the core of Piazzollas art to arrangeor try to postponethese arrivals in the most wrenchingly bittersweet of ways."composer John Adams
"Latin melancholy meets
Kremer's restless, nervous temperament and wiry tone, giving the music an extra psychological tension, as well as some eccentric flights of improvisation. Wonderfully haunting."USA Today
has a temperament as sweetly adventurous as a child's and at times as doleful. Doleful is the word for much of this accomplished if whimsically arranged music
fascinatingly performed."Philadelphia Inquirer


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The Heat are a championship caliber squad.
I'll be surprised if we don't get swept.
We would need Lin at full strength to really challenge them in any meaningful way.
Even then I think they'd still beat us.
No Stat, No Shumpert...only Linsanity could save us but he wont. We'll be back next year
I doubt they'll even bother getting Lin back in game shape now.
OP must be fuc king dreaming if he thinks this will go to 7 games.
Some people need to watch more basketball.


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Tori passed away on Sunday, December 30, as the result of an automobile accident. A graduate of Ithaca High School, she was a junior in the School of Humanities and Sciences majoring in English with a minor in psychology. In the fall of 2011 she studied at the Ithaca College London Center, holding a work-study position there and interning at the Women's Library at London Metropolitan University. She had worked for Ithaca Dining Services on campus and locally at Purity Ice Cream.
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