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Calcium and Phosphorus Ratios in Equine Diets
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Ensuring your horse maintains a balanced diet is one of the most important aspects of horse care. In particular, ensuring your horse maintains a balanced calcium and phosphorus ratio in his diet is critical, as horses with calcium or phosphorus deficiencies or toxicities are prone to various disorders, according to Ramiro E. Toribio, DVM, MS, PhD, Dipl. ACVIM, associate professor in the Department of Veterinary Clinical Sciences at The Ohio State University, who recently composed a literature review on the topic.
In horses calcium helps maintain normal brain and nerve function and aids in heart, skeletal muscle, and intestinal contraction. Phosphorus helps regulate muscle and heart contraction, cell integrity, and glucose use.
The calcium to phosphate ratio in the equine diet is important because the two work closely together: "A balanced equine diet must have 0.15-1.5% of calcium and 0.15-0.6% of phosphorus in feed dry matter," Toribio explained. "A calcium to phosphorus ratio of less than 1:1 can have negative consequences on the skeleton." Simply put, a horse needs at least as much calcium in his diet as phosphorus, never the reverse.
Most animals with a calcium or phosphorous deficiency show subtle clinical signs, generally because most of the resulting damage is internal. When blood levels are low, the horse's body will draw calcium and phosphorus from the bones to carry out bodily functions, which can lead to some serious consequences, as described below.
Chronic calcium deficiency is rare and is associated with abnormal skeletal development, lameness, weak bones, fractures, poor growth, and poor performance. Acute calcium deficiency also is rare and is associated with neurologic signs (e.g., seizures), muscle trembling, decreased intestinal motility, and, in pregnant mares, dystocia (difficult birth) or retained placenta.
Phosphorus-deficient horses often show clinical signs such as muscle weakness and trembling, said Toribio. Additionally, lack of phosphorus can hinder horses' ability to regulate their energy needs properly, which can lead to high blood levels of glucose and fats.
Phosphorus toxicity is more common in horses than calcium toxicity, Toribio said. Horses with phosphorus toxicity often display similar clinical signs as horses with a calcium deficiency; the excess phosphorus binds to the calcium in the intestine, decreasing the body's absorption of the latter. The horse's body also tries to compensate for the excess phosphorus by using calcium from the bones, essentially weakening the skeleton.
Calcium toxicity is rare in horses and provided the horse receives enough phosphorus in his diet, there's little risk of detrimental effects.
Toribio noted that while most horses receive a good balance of calcium and phosphorus from a daily diet of high-quality forage coupled with a commercial grain mix (some forages are low in phosphorus, so hay should be tested if the horse is eating a forage-only diet), some, including foals, high performance horses, and pregnant or lactating mares, could require a higher daily amount of the two minerals. Owners can fulfill an increased calcium and phosphorus requirement easily by providing the horse with a balanced vitamin and mineral supplement.
Simple blood tests can detect calcium or phosphorus toxicity or deficiency, so it's advisable to work with your veterinarian if concerns mount about a particular horse's daily intake of the two required minerals. Also consider having the nutrient contents in your horse's hay and grass tested to ensure he's receiving the appropriate amount of vitamins and minerals. Finally, your veterinarian or equine nutritionist can help you plan a balanced diet for your animal, complete with vitamin or mineral supplement suggestions if necessary.
The article, "Disorders of calcium and phosphate metabolism in horses," appeared in April in Veterinary Clinics of North America: Equine Practice. The abstract is available on PubMed.
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Marie Rosenthal, MS
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A British warship docked in Gibraltar Monday in a pre-planned naval exercise as European leaders worked to calm a row between Britain and Spain over sovereignty and fishing rights.
The Type 23 frigate, equipped with a weapons system including a torpedo launcher, Harpoon anti-ship missiles, Sea Wolf surface-to-air missiles and helicopter, arrived under the gaze of onlookers, some of them waving British flags.
The naval visit to the territory bordering the tip of Spain was planned well before the recent rise in tensions, but was seen as symbolic amid the row, which has led EU authorities to weigh in.
It came a day after dozens of Spanish fishing boats sailed to waters around Gibraltar in a protest to demand it remove 70 concrete blocks it has dropped in their fishing grounds.
The Gibraltar government says the concrete reef will regenerate marine life and argues that the Spanish raked for shellfish there illegally.
The Spaniards say they have been cut off from rich fishing grounds, hurting the livelihoods of fishermen in the poor southern region of Andalusia.
It is the latest in a string of diplomatic rows over the self-governing British overseas territory, which measures just 6.8 square kilometres (2.6 square miles) and is home to about 30,000 people.
HMS Westminster, accompanied by two support vessels, sailed in along the boundary of the territorial waters claimed by Britain as it entered port, in a so-called sovereignty patrol which is standard practice for visiting British warships.
"It is a routine deployment but it couldn't have come at a better time," said one local, Tony Evans, as he stood watching the ships dock at the nearby naval base.
British and Spanish officials say the naval visits are unrelated to their disagreement over the concrete reef.
Amid the row, Spain has imposed intense customs checks at the land border to Gibraltar, leading to daily hours-long queues of cars.
British Prime Minister David Cameron described the border checks as "politically motivated".
The Gibraltar police said in a Twitter message that there were no such queues so far in mid-afternoon on Monday.
Spain's Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia Margallo suggested in a press interview in early August that a 50 euro tax could be levied for travellers entering Spain from Gibraltar.
Imposing taxes or toll fees at EU member-state borders would be "illegal under EU law," European Commission spokesman Olivier Bailly told a news briefing in Brussels on Monday.
Spain's Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy spoke by telephone with the Commission's President Jose Manuel Barroso, officials said. Barroso held a similar conversation with Cameron on Friday.
Speaking to Barroso, Rajoy invited EU experts to come to Spain and Gibraltar to assess the situation, a Spanish government statement said.
Bailly said that visit was planned for September and that the EU may consider whether the reef meets the bloc's environmental regulations.
Rajoy said the concrete reef "is unacceptable and constitutes a violation of environmental norms", according to the Spanish statement.
HMS Westminster and the two support vessels are due to stay in Gibraltar for three days before heading east for annual naval exercises.
Spain ceded Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity in 1713 but has long argued that it should be returned to Spanish sovereignty. London says it will not do so against the wishes of Gibraltarians, who are staunchly pro-British.
A spokesman for Cameron's office on Monday played down rumours that Britain was considering action to disrupt the tourist industry in Spain -- a favourite destination for British holidaymakers.
"Our preference here is to resolve this via political means and through dialogue with the Spanish government", the spokesman told reporters in London.
"We clearly want to reach a quick resolution which is acceptable and brings an end to these totally disproportionate border checks."
Gibraltar's First Minister Fabian Picardo told the BBC on Monday that he had been "working on an extremely credible plan to ensure that people who want to fish in these waters can fish in these waters in keeping with Gibraltar law".
by Kim Dong-Hyun © 2013 AFP
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Date: Aug 19, 2013

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Microsoft, the Next Softlayer…
I'm only kidding, but with the recent announcement for Microsoft's Surface, total integration across product platforms has serious backing from within Microsoft, as evidenced by Bill Gates' support. The idea behind "surface computing" is to capture all tangible applications that are data-driven and integrate them into a portal that allows cross-sharing no matter what the product is (a phone, a camera, a personal computer or whatever). The commonality of this all lies within centralization. As one analyst writes in a recent Business Week article:
"It will be at least a few years before a consumer will be able to buy a Surface Computer and bring it home. To get there, Microsoft will need to create an ecosystem where software developers are motivated to write must-have applications. 'This thing is only cool if it works seamlessly,' says Roger Kay, president of market research firm Endpoint Technologies Associates. 'If it works well, it's game-changing.' Should those stars align, Kay says, sales could reach into the low billions of dollars in five years. 'Individuals are going to want this much faster than Microsoft is going to be able to deliver it to them,' he adds."
When the team here at Softlayer started, we all had a very similar view as it pertained to the dedicated hosting and utility computing markets. With a tremendously successful track record behind us building companies spanning most everything internet-related, we looked at these markets with a simple question to answer—"How do we merge the physical layer with the virtual layer?" If we could answer this question, this would be our game-changing moment. After our recent announcement of the world's first API in the dedicated web hosting environment, we are certain the game has changed. The API has certainly started to answer our simple question of merging the physical and virtual environments and now with the introduction of the SoftLayer Development Network, we have opened doors to what is sure to be some really exciting applications to come in the next few days, weeks, and months. Our Eco-System is now one that resides both internally at SoftLayer and with our customer-base. We feel we've just barely touched the "Surface."


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By Courtney E. Smith
There are already so many, many, many euphemisms for knocking the boots (see what we did there) in music that when Detail and Future got together on "Moscato" they decided to forget the euphies and skip right to the real deal. And that is how we ended up with a very Auto-Tuned track about doing the dirty on Moscato.
For those not in the know, Moscato is a perfectly legal substance to do pretty much anything you'd like to on, except drive or operate heavy machinery. Muscat is the variety of grape used to make wine, but also raisins and grapes. You've probably got some muscat grapes in your house right now. Detail and Future go in-depth with their descriptions of pouring it on your nipple, so we can safely assume they mean wine.
Moscato is typically a sweet wine, and when it's spelled with an "o" and not a "u", it originates from Australia, California or South Africa. When these two guys employ it, it is for your pleasure.


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Gardy hoping day off gets Hicks on track
By Robert Falkoff / Special to MLB.com
KANSAS CITY -- After getting a chance to sit and watch on Tuesday, Twins center fielder Aaron Hicks was back in the lineup on Wednesday against the Royals for the finale of the road trip.
Hicks, who batted in the leadoff spot, started the night hitting .067 with two hits in 30 at-bats. Manager Ron Gardenhire was hopeful that the break for Hicks would pay dividends.
"It was a chance to freshen his mind, relax a little bit," Gardenhire said. "We'll see how it goes. He has faced a lot of really good pitching here, and I'm sure he has put a little pressure on himself. He did a little extra work [Tuesday] on the field. Now, it's just getting back out there and getting a good pitch to hit. He'll be fine. This kid is a very talented young man."
Escobar goes big with first Major League blast
KANSAS CITY -- Eduardo Escobar is listed at 5-foot-10 and 173 pounds. But despite that diminutive stature, the Twins' infielder showed on Tuesday that he can hit the ball a long way when he gets a fastball in a spot that he anticipates.
Escobar's first Major League home run came off Royals right-hander Jeremy Guthrie in the fifth inning and was measured at 397 feet. The Twins were able to retrieve the ball and present it to Escobar.
"I knew I put a good swing on it, but I never thought it would go that far," Escobar said through translator Wilkin Ramirez. "It was a 3-2 count and I was looking fastball away."
Escobar could only wish that his first homer had come on a night when Minnesota won. The Royals put a damper on Escobar's milestone homer by emerging with a 7-4 victory.
"I feel good about it, but I wanted a 'W,'" Escobar said. "Then I could have enjoyed it better."
Diamond set to rejoin rotation on Saturday
KANSAS CITY -- The next stop for left-hander Scott Diamond is Target Field.
Diamond, who has battled back from left elbow surgery, put the finishing touches on his rehabilitation efforts with a side session on Wednesday in Fort Myers, Fla. There were no complications and Diamond is ready to rejoin the Twins' rotation.
Originally expected to go on Friday, Diamond has been pushed back to Saturday while Vance Worley gets the start in Friday's series opener against the Mets. General Manager Terry Ryan said the Twins will wait on announcing a corresponding roster move until it's time to activate Diamond.
"Everything went good," Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said of Diamond's side session. "He should be flying to Minnesota and hopefully he'll beat the snow."
Diamond's arrival could be a huge boost for Minnesota's rotation if the left-hander picks up where he left off in 2012. He posted a 3.54 ERA in 27 starts and led the Twins' staff with 173 innings while compiling a 12-9 record.
"He led by example," Gardenhire said. "Scotty studies the game and prepares very well for the opposing team. He got us deep into games and won his fair share of them. He stepped up and did a real nice job for us. You have to be able to work both sides of the plate and Scotty does that."
Robert Falkoff is a contributor to MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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Happiness Tips For Moms – From Life and Success Coach Karen Elizaga of Forward Options
A moment of gratitude for you mothers out there who are pulled in a million different directions! I think there is no harder job than that of a mother. You work tireless hours, you don't get paid for those hours, and the moments of gratitude from those around you (your husband and your kids) are few and far between. Come on, you're supposed to know that they love and appreciate you, right? Hmmm.
Well, let's take some time to think about how you can take control of your own happiness and fulfillment. If you don't, who will?
Here are five tips for your deep satisfaction, contentment and balance in your life:
1 – Make the first choice a loving, happy one. Sure, you could start your day overwhelmed by all that you have to do. You could get bogged down with what you haven't achieved. But how about starting your day with a positive thought of gratitude to set yourself up for a happy and fulfilled day. Instead of thinking about what a chore it is to do all the things you have to do, shift the filter that you see your day in. "I am so happy and fortunate that I get to spend my day taking care of my family."
2 – Take time for yourself – first! There is not a mom out there who won't be happier, more patient or more understanding if she takes time to indulge in the things that she enjoys before tending to the needs of others. I know it sounds selfish, but it's not! Think of it as filling your own gas tank before driving your kids to school. You need a full tank, otherwise you won't get there! Love yourself (really, think about what it is that is uniquely loveable about you). Exercise. Meditate. Have that slow cup of tea. Take a long, hot shower. Shop for yourself. Do the work that you want to do.
3 – Enlist support from others. There's no rulebook that says you need to approach mothering and working all on your own. Rely on the people around you to help you get things done! Coordinate afterschool activities and carpool the kids. If you have the resources, hire a babysitter or nanny. Be specific in what you want and need your husband to do. Bottom line, ask for help! No one is going to take the time to think about what you need to get done – the onus is on you to tell them.
4 – Nurture your village. Every mother needs to blow off steam. We also need to be able to understand that our everyday challenges are entirely normal. Make sure you surround yourself with good friends whom you like, love and respect and who are taking on a similar journey to yours. Budget time for regular drinks or tea or lunch so that you can vent and laugh over the stuff that we can otherwise take so seriously.
5 – Be a woman. Don't forget your feminine self! It's very easy to get caught up in the routine of running your household and focus purely on checking those tasks off the list. But it's really important that you don't forget that you are not only a mother, but a wife or a woman who wants and deserves the kind of attention that makes you feel beautiful. Make time for date night
These five tips, plus eating regularly and nutritiously (organic as much as you can!), will help fuel your happiness and fulfillment everyday! Enjoy!
About Karen Elizaga:
Executive Coach Karen Elizaga and Forward Options Founder, had always wanted to be a lawyer – a decision which led her from her childhood home in Honolulu to Barnard College in New York City, followed by a law degree from American University. By the time she was 27, she had landed a job at an international law firm, worked at innovative companies in London, England and was happily married. Five years later, she was blessed with a beautiful daughter.
But despite her career and personal success, a lifetime of questioning herself and the inescapable conviction that she wasn't good enough had led Karen into a pattern of self-limiting behavior – where she felt both perpetually dissatisfied with her job, her looks, and her life. And the realization of how destructive this outlook was truly hit home when Karen realized that she was in danger not only of sabotaging her own happiness and success, but of passing on that same mindset to someone else: her daughter.
Realizing that it's never too late to go in search of personal fulfillment, Karen left the corporate world and got to work simultaneously helping herself and others… by founding a business that encourages others ditch the self-doubt and be their best selves. Beginning as a series of seminars for teen girls and having evolved into executive coaching for women and men, Forward Options was created around the idea that love for the self begets great achievements – giving people the tools to acknowledge their strengths, forgive their faults, and use that confidence to envision a future full of wonderful options.


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Nasty slider, good command and fortune
Closer Lidge's memorable 2008 a confluence of events
It's hard to fathom a closer going through a entire season without having that one blow-up inning in a save situation, just one outing when you give up a lead because your velocity is off, your command just isn't there or a great hitter gets hold of a great pitch.
But that's just what Brad Lidge did in 2008. He was perfect for 48 of them, saving 41 games in 41 chances during the regular season and seven more in as many opportunities during the postseason for the world champion Philadelphia Phillies.
"It was a pretty amazing year," Lidge said. "One of the biggest things for me was better command of my slider. When I get that going, I do well."
In 2000, Lidge developed a killer slider, a replacement pitch he developed when throwing curveballs began to hurt his elbow following surgery. It became his out pitch, diving in or away sharply, befuddling hitters.
It all came together for Lidge last season as the Phillies won the World Series.
"I was a pitcher," he said. "I didn't throw as hard as I could. I had a great defense behind me. You have to have a little luck to never blow a save. You could throw the same way and blow a couple."
Lidge never did, and so it was only appropriate that he struck out Eric Hinske, the last Tampa Bay hitter, for the final out to clinch the World Series title. That was a neat little bow on a dream summer for a relief pitcher who is the all-time leader in strikeouts (12.5) per nine innings for pitchers with at least 300 appearances.
"That moment, that was indescribable," Lidge said. "That's why we play the game. When the guys piled on me at the mound, I couldn't breathe. But I never felt so good in my life."
This is the same guy who missed parts of his first four professional seasons with a progression of injuries, including a torn rotator cuff and a broken forearm. This is the same guy who was the winning pitcher in a landmark six-pitcher no-hitter for the Houston Astros against the New York Yankees in 2003.
This is the same guy who struck out the side on 11 pitches in his first All-Star Game appearance in 2005 and then, three months later, got tagged for memorable postseason home runs by Albert Pujols and Scott Podsednik. The two-out, ninth-inning home run by Pujols delayed the Astros' first-ever trip to the World Series. The Podsednik homer beat the Astros in Game 2 in what became a four-game Series sweep for the White Sox.
There was a suspicion that Lidge's psyche had been permanently damaged by those two home runs, especially when he struggled through 2006 in which he went 1-5 and pitched to an inflated 5.28 ERA. Those bad home-run memories were not the problem, according to Lidge.
"A lot of people assumed that," he said. "But it wasn't that. I had a lot go wrong that next season. I couldn't throw my slider for a strike."
Hitters sat on his fastball and Lidge struggled. There still were some positives. He posted his third straight 100-strikeout season and nailed down his 100th career save.
Still, there was a feeling that Lidge might never regain the form that had produced 71 saves in the previous two seasons for the Astros. And almost as soon ex-Phillies general manager Ed Wade took over that post in Houston, he shipped Lidge to Philadelphia in a five-player trade.
It was a new start for Lidge, but the rebirth was delayed when he needed surgery on his right knee in February. He was activated the first week of April and did not allow an earned run in his first 17 appearances, kick-starting his memorable season.
The save streak ended early this season when he blew one against San Diego on April 18. Then his right knee started acting up again, and Lidge went to work on a solution.
"My push off isn't 100 percent," he said. "Right now, I'm trying to work around it, adjusting my mechanics. I hope it's better, soon."
So do the Phillies.
Hal Bock is a freelance writer based in New York.
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Pownal's Hutchins won't seek re-election
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POWNAL -- After serving more than a decade on the Pownal school board, Gudrun Hutchins announced last week she will not seek re-election to her three-year seat in March.
Having served nine consecutive years on the board since her retirement, as well as a few years during a previous stint, Hutchins is one of the most senior school board members in Pownal and the entire Southwest Vermont Supervisory Union. In her time on the board Hutchins has seen four different Pownal Elementary principals -- and at least that many superintendents -- but Hutchins said in March she will call it quits and allow a new voice to help shape education in Pownal.
"I've decided I've done my piece. I'm getting older and I think it's time for me to leave," Hutchins said by phone Friday.
In addition to serving on the SVSU board for much of her term, Hutchins is also on Pownal's Technology Committee, which has been instrumental in increasing the use of computers, SMART Boards, and other technology in Pownal's classrooms. The school board's commitment to technology in the school is one of the decisions Hutchins said she is most proud to have been part of while on the board.
"One of the things all of us are proud of is we've moved ahead with technology. We were actually the first school (in SVSU) to pilot the one-on-one computers for the sixth graders," Hutchins said. Since that time, Pownal has purchased netbook computers for every student in fourth and fifth grade to use in the classroom as well.
Hutchins said she is also proud the board has continued looking to the future.
"I think our board has been very good in keeping up the facility. We have always had a rolling five-year plan to have a plan for the upgrades instead of being reactive and fixing things when they broke," Hutchins said.
Hutchins has long been an advocate for education. While some school board members jump on the cost of programs or new staff, Hutchins has always asked about the benefits of what an addition to the budget would bring.
"It was really my interest in good education" that Hutchins said made her run for the school board in the first place. "I'm a taxpayer myself and don't want to pay more than I need to, but (educating the children) is what it's all about," she said. "Obviously there has to be some balance of taxpayers and education, but in many cases we can make decisions that can help education that isn't throwing money at everything."
The decision to step down in March was made easier because of the confidence Hutchins has in the direction Pownal is heading. She commended the school's committed staff, the school board and Principal Todd Phillips, who is in his first year.
When Hutchins publicly announced her decision at the Dec. 19 meeting, Phillips said he has appreciated the knowledge and attention to detail Hutchins brings to the board.
"I've been very impressed with some of the minute details you find in our budget and it's been a pleasure working with you these few short months ... You bring a whole lot to our school," Phillips told her.
Hutchins said she decided to announce her intent not to seek re-election in December to give residents advance notice that there will be a seat up for the taking. Hutchins said she hopes people in town seriously consider the position as a way to contribute to the community as well as learn some things themselves.
"I really enjoyed all the people I met through the board who I may not have met otherwise and just thought it was a very satisfying thing to have done -- to interact with all these people and to get to know some of the teachers a little better and really advocate for education for our kids," she said.
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Slide Show from CUNA GAC: Onsite Coverage
Here are images from the Governmental Affairs Conference that began Monday at the Washington Convention Center in Washington, D.C.
Washington, D.C., journalist and radio personality Paul Berry served as the emcee at the general session Monday.
Some stirring sounds from a military band.
Panelists at a Monday session discuss Fiserv Inc.'s and CUNA Mutual Group's joint project to put Loanliner on mobile.
CUNA President/CEO Bill Cheney addresses the opening general session.
Patrick LaPine of the League of Southeastern Credit Unions and Cheney introducing the CUNA Leave Behind program.
Bank Transfer Day creator Kristen Christian addresses the group.
GECU President/CEO Harriet May is retiring from her Texas credit union soon and is outgoing CUNA Board chair.
NCUA Board Chair Debbie Matz said there's "no free pass" from compliance but that the agency would work to be fair.
Carl Bernstein and, preceding photo, Robert Woodward were among keynote speakers.
Former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice gave the Monday afternoon keynote address.
Bob Schumacher, now a consultant with The Paragon Group, accepts his award at the Herb Wegner Awards dinner.
BECU CEO Gary Oakland and Tom Dorety of Suncoast Schools at the Wegner dinner.
The BizKid$ program had a presence at the Wegner awards.
Bill Eckhardt of the Alaska USA Credit Union at the National Credit Union Foundation gathering.


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Michel Tiddes
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Essence Atkins
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Missi Pyle
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Though it's still a hodgepodge, it's a more finely-tuned hodgepodge, like Marlon Wayans and the producers were more selective when editing the down the hours of improvisation. Essence Atkins (the first film's bright spot) is sadly relegated to a cameo, and while Jaime Pressly tries her best as the new wife, she mostly makes you wish that Wayans had reunited with his old Scary Movie costar Anna Faris.
That said, A Haunted House 2's supporting cast is much stronger; Gabriel Iglesias mines laughs from predictable ethnic humor, and Rick Overton's Skyped-in role as a paranormal expert gets an actual character arc. And though he's not for all tastes, there's something admirable about Wayans's willingness to do anything for a laugh, often reminiscent of Jerry Lewis at his most frantic. That's a compliment, by the way.
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I did not get a notification to install ZA Free + AV 13.3.052.000 when it was first released and only discovered this problem today when I got a warning from Windows that my a/v was out of date and not running.
I have now downloaded version 13.3.052.000 of this product but it is showing that the virus database needs updating. When I try to do this, I get an error in the download window.
I can run a quick scan but not a full scan. If I try to run a full scan it prevents it. Yet the product window shows that it ran a scan on its own yesterday!
I have a warning that says I have 20 viruses but apparently no means to eliminate them.
What do I do now - I have tried re-installing the product but just get back to the same position.


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text: Well, the Mayan apocalypse came and went (don't forget to thank the Doctor for saving us ) and we're still here! Time to vote for the winner of the December challenge; you have two excellent entries to choose from: latkah's entry, "The Further Adventures of Porthos- The Stilton Fulfillment" http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=196582 CaptainGold's entry, "Gift of a Lifetime" http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=198022 Voting to run until midnight (US Eastern standard time) on Jan. 3rd 2013, one vote each. And.. go!


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GOODYEAR, Ariz. (AP) - Ubaldo Jimenez is getting good results by quickening his delivery.
Nick Swisher and Jason Giambi hit consecutive homers off Heath Hembree, and Jimenez had a solid start on Thursday, leading the Cleveland Indians to a 6-4 victory over the San Francisco Giants.
Hembree allowed Swisher's third home run of the spring, a three-run shot in the fifth. Giambi hit his first. Ryan Raburn, who leads the Indians with four homers, hit a pair of doubles, one of them with the bases loaded.
Jimenez allowed three hits and one run in four innings, benefiting from his quicker delivery. Center fielder Michael Bourn lost Brandon Crawford's fly ball in the sun, letting it fall for a triple. Hunter Pence followed with an RBI single.
``This is going to be a big season for me. The last two have been hard,' Jimenez said. ``I'm not worried about being a free agent. I want to show this team what I can do and I haven't done that yet.'
The Indians' new pitching coach, Mickey Callaway, has been working with Jimenez on the pace of his delivery.
``It is helping,' Jimenez said. ``I was pausing, then I had to start up again. I have been able to attack the strike zone with my fastball.'
Giants starter Tim Lincecum had to be scratched again because of a blister that he developed after his first appearance of spring training. He also missed a start last Saturday because of the blister on the middle finger of his right hand.
Chad Gaudin, who is trying to earn a job in the bullpen, pitched three scoreless innings in Lincecum's place.
``He's got the experience,' manager Bruce Bochy said. ``He has the pitches to work with. He had short notice but he's been there before. It worked out well. Our preference would be a guy who can go multiple innings. We haven't had that and gotten away with it.'
Hembree, a Pacific Coast League All-Star last season, had trouble controlling his pitches in the fifth inning.
``He got some pitches up but they were two pretty good hitters,' Bochy said.
Raburn, a minor league free agent who is trying to win a spot on the Indians' bench, had a pair of doubles and drove in two runs.
``He feels good about himself,' manager Terry Francona said. ``He's got a nice short stroke. I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but it's the kind of swing that plays well off the bench.'
NOTES: Indians OF Michael Brantley will have his stitches removed from his left forearm on Friday. He hurt it while sliding into third base. He will resume baseball activities and should be ready to play by Sunday, according to Francona. ... Matt Carson, who was hit in the head with a pitch on Wednesday, has been cleared to resume full activity for Cleveland. ... Indians closer Chris Perez, who has not pitched since Feb. 26 because of a right shoulder strain, will begin throwing as early as Sunday. ... Pence singled twice. ... Brandon Belt, who leads the Giants with three home runs, hit a two-run double. ... Giants INF Brett Pill has swelling in his knee. ``He doesn't know how he did it,' Bochy said. ``He's close to returning but he won't play tomorrow.' ... Giants OF Andres Torres has an injured oblique muscle. ``He is swinging from the right side,' Bochy said. ``He should start taking some swings from the left side Monday or Tuesday.'


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2 months ago got "unknown" virus. got into the "bio" system of my computer. kept shuting me down and rewriting itself. contacted customer service and got no where. kept telling me i needed to be on my system to help...errr help i couldn't even TURN IN ON !! it wasn't sinking in her head. then i told her i was blind and really could not read i needed a phone number. they no longer have a call in. i was disconnected from the live chat. finally got headquarters number and called. several times same woman answered and said tough. finally i got thru to a nice lady in billing who wrote to the customer service manager. after several weeks he called and said they could do nothing but give me 3 months free. err hello i pay this much a year for security and do not get it? why would i want 3 more months.
so in short if your computer starts shuting down without warning....don't expect ZA to protect you.


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When using that command, foo_utils starts playback of the first transferred track in th target playlist by simulating a doubleclick on it through the proper API. Apparently there is a bug in foobar2000 itself, that is triggered when this is performed on a playlist that is not the active one. I'll point Peter to it.
are there a function like %playlist_total_time% and %playlist_total_filesize% in text tools now?
This will sound strange but setting a keyboard shortcut as a global hotkey wont work with foo_utils-commands
and much more strange: While running foobar with foo_utils-plugin the network-connection will slow down heavily. After closing foobar and/or uninstalling foo_utils the network speed returns to its old level.This problem is repeatable on my system.
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Sporting News recruiting writer Brian McLaughlin continues his position-by-position look at some of the top players in the country. Here's a look at the safeties.
Anthony Averett
Woodbury (N.J.)
Averett says: "Coaches like my speed and height. I'm very fast and have great leaping ability."
His take on schools: Averett committed to Alabama in April over offers from Iowa, Penn State, Pitt, Rutgers, South Carolina, Tennessee and others.
George Baltimore
Mansfield (Texas)
Baltimore says: "(Coaches) say they love how physical I am and that I may not be 6-2 or 6-3 like all these other safeties, but I'm the biggest playmaker out of all of them."
His take on schools: Arkansas, Michigan State, Baylor, Texas Tech and Vanderbilt are among the schools that have offered. "I have 11 offers as of (Wednesday) and as of right now it is wide open, but I'll start to get closer (to a decision) towards the start of my senior year."
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Jamal Carter
Southridge (Miami)
Carter says: "Whenever college coaches talk to me they tell me I can be a playmaker on the team and they like my style on the field."
His take on schools: "My top five is Miami, Florida State, Florida Gators, Louisville and West Virginia. But the offer I really want is LSU. I would love an offer from them."
Antonio Conner
South Panola (Batesville, Miss.)
Conner says: "I think I've earned the scholarships because I put effort on the field, but I also put more effort in the classroom. I'm a hard player on the field … and I'm willing to play wherever my coach puts me."
His take on schools: Alabama, Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Tennessee are after Conner.
Leon McQuay III
Armwood (Seffner, Fla.)
McQuay says: "(The recruiters) like my pass coverage and range on the field, my leaping ability, speed, long arms … and my ball skills are a plus. They like that I can play cornerback (and safety). I'm a real bump-and-run specialist that can come down and cover the slot well one-on-one."
His take on schools: McQuay said recently that his top five is Florida, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Ohio State and Florida State. "I'm wide open but focused. If a program has what I'm looking for then I will turn my attention toward them."
Donnie Miles
North Gwinnett (Suwanee, Ga.)
Miles says: "I play fast and come up and hit. And I'm good at covering."
His take on schools: Miles has been on board with North Carolina for a couple of weeks, choosing the Tar Heels over Duke and Tennessee. "With the new coaching staff, I believe that North Carolina can go very far."
Kameron Miles
West Mesquite (Mesquite, Texas)
Miles says: "To me, becoming a BCS starter would be because of my maturity, my IQ of the game on the next level. What makes me good at my position is my ball skills, play recognition and I'm very physical coming down hill."
His take on schools: Arkansas, Stanford, TCU, Texas Tech, UCLA and West Virginia are among the schools that have offered Miles.
L.J. Moore
Central East (Fresno, Calif.)
Moore says: "College coaches always say they like my height, my aggressive mindset, that I can run and jump and have great ball skills. I have a pretty good press."
His take on schools: More said Notre Dame, Cal, UCLA, Georgia, Houston, Washington, Tulane and Fresno State have offered, but he has not eliminated any schools.
Keanu Neal
South Sumter (Bushnell, Fla.)
Neal says: "I think coaches like my physicality. Florida has a defense where they want their players to attack. By watching my film, I fit perfectly in that defense and how they run it. You have more reaction time at safety, and you're further away from the ball and get a better angle on the play."
His take on schools: Neal has been committed to Florida for several weeks. "I'm not sure about everybody else, but for me, it was the relationship with the coaches that I liked. I could interact with them, it was very open and very comfortable with them. They have been in a slump lately, but with the recruiting that we're going to get … we're going to try to improve on it and make the program better."
Max Redfield
Mission Viejo (Calif.)
Redfield says: "In special teams, offense and defense, I give everything no matter what the score is, and I use every ounce of speed and strength to be around the ball when I have the opportunities to make big plays."
His take on schools: Redfield has nearly two dozen scholarship offers, and the Pac-12 is well represented. LSU, Notre Dame and Oklahoma have also offered.
Dymonte Thomas
Marlington (Alliance, Ohio)
Thomas says: Thomas picked Michigan a couple of weeks ago. "Yeah, I wanted to get it done early this year."
His take on schools: "The fans and 114,000 people watching every game is great … Coach (Brady) Hoke is the man, enough said. Last year they were shaky, but this year they look good."
Derrick Robertson
Killeen (Texas)
Robertson says: "College coaches usually tell me that my speed and my size and also my ability to switch between safety and corner is big."
His take on schools: Texas Tech and Texas A&M both invited him to their annual junior days, but he is still waiting for his first BCS scholarship offer. "I think my situation right now is pretty slow for the moment. I have a few schools I like, but I'd say my recruiting is wide open right now."
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Holiday Exhibit • Gingerbread Raffle • Holiday Mouse
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Gingerbread FIREhouse Contest and Exhibit
Ten stunning gingerbread firehouses, fire stations, and several burning buildings, have been specially crafted for the The Aurora Regional Fire Museum's 3rd annual Gingerbread FIREhouse Contest and Raffle.
(see photos below)
Win a Gingerbread FIREhouse for your home!
Enter our raffle and you could take one of our gingerbread firehouses home for your holiday table! Tickets are avaliable at the Aurora Regional Fire Museum during our normal business hours or online below.
Purchase your raffle tickets here!
Gingerbread FIREhouse Contest and Exhibit
Rules state that all entries depict a firefighting themed architectural structure (real or imaginary), and that except for the base, everything must be made from 100% edible materials. The gingerbread FIREhouses were judged by a panel of local experts -- Aurora's Fire Chief Hal Carlson; architect Lane Allen of Allen+Pepa Studios; and the Chef Amaury Rosado) -- based on adherence to a theme; creativity and originality; and the level of precision and skill.
Entry # 1
"Aurora Firehouse No. 7"
(Junior Division)
Gingerbread and fun child snacks like Rice Krispie treats, pretzels, gumballs, "Now and Later" candy were used to decorate this replica of Aurora's Fire Station 7 while "Smore's" and "Red Hot" candies were used to represent heat and fire.
Aurora's Fire Station 7 is located in Lincoln Park, the adjacent to Holy Angels School. The scouts of Holy Angels, Cub Scout Pack 326, Den 3 toured the real firehouse to gathered ideas to create their own "school pride" Gingerbread Firehouse. Important details of the real fire station, such as the fire engine, the flag pole and even the pop machine on the front porch were represented. Each Scout took ownership of a side or component of the firehouse. The Scouts gathered in small groups to decorate the Gingerbread Firehouse after school. At these workshops we demonstrated a factory-like assembly while listening to Christmas Carols and eating lots of candy!
Entry # 2
"Jakes Bagel Brigade"
(Adult Division)
Oh No!! Jakes Bagels and Deli is burning down! Don't worry the firefighters using a bucket brigade of bagels will save the day!
The Aurora Fire Station is crafted from gingerbread, with royal icing. The ready-made gingerbread firefighters are sporting buckets of Cheerio "bagels" in hand-made fire buckets.
Entry # 3
"Christmas on Broadway"
(Adult Division)
This Aurora Holiday street scene is crafted from gingerbread, rice cereal treats.
Entry # 4
"FDNY Ten House to the Rescue"
(Adult Division)
FDNY's Ten House, located directly across from the World Trade Center, was nearly destroyed on September 11, 2001. Although it suffered heavy damage in the attacks, this building's foundation – like the foundation of this department – stood firm. The building was rebuilt, and in 2006 the renowned memorial sculpture/plaque was dedicated to the 343 lost.
Each year Ten House a show is put on for the neighborhood, where Santa is rescued by the brave firefighters.
The firehouse (window frames, overhead doors and all) are baked from gingerbread, the window glass and faux metal panels (on the corner of the building) are homemade hard candy. The fire truck is formed with rice cereal treats and covered with fondant, and painted. The remainder of our characters are made from fondant, and in some cases a gingerbread frame (most notably seen in the reindeer antlers). Melted candy canes form the base of our sleigh, and fun shaped sweets are used to represent our toys, with black licorice as our reindeer bridle.
Entry # 5
"Individual's Fire House"
(Adult Division)
This Gingerbread Firehouse was designed by the individuals at the Montgomery Bethesda Lutheran Communities house. Each individual worked on a separate piece of the house. This house is as original and unique as the people that decorated it.
"Fire was a constant threat in colonial America and fire protection was important. Early fire engines were designed as a means to spray water onto the fire with more force and accuracy. It took a lot of volunteers to be on hand because pumping was very strenuous."
Gingerbread was used for log cabin, hill, table and road. Gumpaste was used to build the tree trunk and wagons, chimney, fireplace, and furniture. Melted hard candy made the fire. The "grass" is made from shaved coconut while rosemary and parsley comprise the tree foliage.
Entry # 7
"Christmas at Chicago Fire Department's Engine 98"
(Adult Division)
Santa is coming to the Chicago's Engine 98.
Just off North Michigan Avenue stands the historic Chicago Fire Department's Engine 98. Completed in 1908, it was constructed using the same gothic "castle-style" architecture as the adjacent Water Tower and Pumping Station. The building is currently home to Ambulance 5 and Engine 98.
Entry # 8
"Buffalo Engine House 26"
(Adult Division)
Engine House No. 28 is a historic fire station building located at Buffalo, New York. It is a Queen Anne style structure built in 1897. It was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 2001
Rolled fondant was draped over gingerbread was used to form the walls and roof, while rice cereal treats and ice cream cones constructed the building's front two towers. The entire building was covered in colored fondant and decorated by hand with colored icing, and jells.
Entry # 9
"Gingerbread Kitchen Catastrophe"
(Adult Division)
Oh No!! Some novice gingerbread baker left his house in the over a bit too long!!
The oven and ""burning house" is made entirely out of gingerbread. The crackling candy "flames" were by pouring hot molten sugar candy over a bowl of ice cubes. The ice flash-cools the sugar and eventually melt away. The resulting candy pieces were then glued to the gingerbread using royal icing.
Entry # 10
"Pink Heals Engine House 1"
(Adult Division)
The Guardians of The Ribbon, are a group of firefighters and police officers organized with the simple mission to, "Support Women, Raise Awareness." Dressed in bright pink fire suits, they drive pink fire trucks across the country each year to raise funds and awareness in support of women in their fight against cancer.
The Pink Heals Engine house was constructed using a pre-made gingerbread "kit." and. Various pink candies: bubble gum, pink chocolates, Good-n-Plenty, and even cherry flavored Kool-Aid mix were used to decorate the firehouse walls, while the pink fire engine was constructed out of pink wafer cookies.
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While it's too late to enter this year's gingerbread contest, this is quickly becoming a popular annual event. Click here to read all about our contest rules, get your recipe perfected, and start designing a gingerbread FIREhouse for next year.
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Is T20 starting to show signs of predictability?
After several games in the 2012 Big Bash League, an unusual statistic has surfaced that is sure to raise a few eyebrows.
So far, the team chasing has run down the opposition on every single occasion.
An anomaly or an indication that T20 is starting to show signs of predictability?
Let's have a look at some examples and see if there is anything to draw conclusions on.
The Brisbane Heat set the Hobart Hurricanes an imposing 172 in Round One, only to be thwarted by Travis Birt and Owais Shah with an over to spare.
From behind the stumps two things were clear – the Heat bowled poorly, failing to execute a variety of deliveries; and the dynamic-Hobart-duo batted brilliantly, putting on a remarkable partnership at around 9 runs an over.
The first round also saw an Aaron Finch special, his unbeaten hundred featuring an explosive show of power hitting and helping his Melbourne Renegade side to haul in the much-hyped cross-town rivals the Stars.
Finch has totally dominated the Ryobi Cup this year and a continued run of form in the T20 will ensure his national selection when Inverarity and his offsiders sit down to pick the next Aussie ODI and T20 teams.
Round Two saw the Scorchers and Thunder have stinkers with the bat, while the Heat snatched a last-ball thriller over Adelaide.
In Perth, the locals were demolished by an astonishing 6-7 from import Lasith Malinga, his slinging action and near-undetectable slower ball wreaking havoc, while in the Thunder match, superstar Chris Gayle went early to a run out and the home side never recovered, nervously scratching out a meagre total.
All of these matches give an idea about the way to play, or not play, T20 cricket.
The low totals highlight the time factor of T20 cricket – that is, there isn't much of it.
On both occasions, the loss of early wickets (or in Gayle's case a crucial wicket) essentially derailed the setting of a competitive total.
The momentum swung sharply and there was no time to defend, recover then consolidate.
On the other side of it, if a batsman or two (like Birt and Shah, or Finch) gets some momentum in a run chase, it can be very difficult to halt.
Small boundaries are the obvious reason meaning a miss-hit can still carry the ropes.
And night matches, where a little bit of dew on the pitch creates a lovely, even skidding condition for the batsmen, also contribute.
The team batting second has seen how the pitch plays, can learn from any mistakes the opposition has shown earlier, and can take advantage of the ball skidding on nicely under lights.
Finally, batting second eliminates the "unknown" factor.
The first batting team sometimes swings too hard or plays conservatively in setting a total because they are unsure of what a winning total might be.
There is no fear factor batting second, you know the total and you know what needs to be done to achieve it.
Like any sport, there are patterns that emerge over time as teams work out tactics and styles of play that best suit the conditions and rules they confront.
The skill of the players is to work these out quickly in order to win.
T20 is no different.
I can be as cynical as anyone but in reference to this predictability issue, I have to lean towards a strange coincidence that at some stage will turn around.
Yeah, we have seen some patterns develop but given the close result of almost every one of those nine games, you could hardly say they have been boring and predictable.
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We have a two month old at home and been taking photos of her daily. One problem I've been having is video quality using my iPhone 4S. It's capturing in HD but the auto focus and quality in anything except bright room light, seems very lacking. I'm deciding about buying a camcorder for use taking videos but I'm not sure if indeed these are much better. It's been years since I used my old video camera, I'm not sure just how much better the quality is now with HD.
I also have a DSLR that can take videos but the lack of auto focusing and overall size is a downside of taking it out.
Well, I assume your DSLR takes much better shots then your iPhone. Stands to reason a video camera will take much better videos. Whether it's useful or not, that's another issue. I have a video camera that records in HD, and an 8mos old and 3yr old. It's never charged and/or with me when I want to use it. =)
IMHO, anything in the $300-$400 pricerange is going to be about the same as your cell phone. Anything in the $500-$800 pricerange is going to be too big to lug around, and very "I paid eight hundred bucks and this is the best it can do??". Above the $800 pricerange is "honey get me the manual. It won't turn on".
There is a step below DSLR still cams that are good P&S still cams that take pretty good video - That's what I'd recommend right now. I use my Canon 5DMkII, but seldom use it. I use my 480p cell phone more often, and I guarantee your 4S would run circles around it. I am getting a new phone in May (HTC EVO 4G LTE), and expect it will be my new go-to video camera.
If nothing else; the form factor for a dedicated video camera is likely to be better suited to video use - i.e. easy to hold stable for extended periods.
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Above the $800 pricerange is "honey get me the manual. It won't turn on".
I strongly disagree with this. There is a new class of video camera that is tremendously powerful, yet relatively easy to use. My brother started work on a commercial documentary a few months back. Initially, he hired a pro studio at $1000 for 8 hours. Then, he had an emergency interview to shoot that would be the centrepiece of the film with 10 hours to prepare (I.e. not enough time to book a session with the videographers), so on my recommendation, bought a Sony NEX VG20. Learned it in a few hours the night before, and the results are nothing short of astounding. His only experience with photo/video is a low end Sony DSLR in green mode, and observing 8 hours of a pro shooting with a Panny video camera (he IS really observant). Excluding the rental of the lav mics, audio recorder, and purchase of a tripod, the total cost for that one interview was just under $2500. it's a very simple machine to operate, which gives great results in auto mode, but easy-to-figure-out controls if you want to take some controls away from the autopilot.
Now, is something like the VG20 suitable for the OP? No freaking way. Far too expensive. Is it suitable for almost broadcast quality on a budget? Abso-freaking-lutely!
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If nothing else; the form factor for a dedicated video camera is likely to be better suited to video use - i.e. easy to hold stable for extended periods.
I would agree with this. I just got a DSLR that probably does better quality video than my camcorder, but I can't see holding it for long -- it is both heavier and less ergonomic.
A dedicated camcorder will certainly beat a cell phone video cam, but by the time you get to a quality unit the size is not pocketable anymore. I got a Canon that is really pretty small for the quality of video and it can take stills at 10 MP, but it is still large enough you know you are carrying it and have to make an effort to do so. A compromise might be to get something like a Panasonic GH2 m4/3 camera. The video is very highly rated and the stills are also going to be pretty good. Might be better than your current DSLR unless it is a recent or higher end model. You get all the autofocus and auto-exposure side of things as well and in size it is comparable to a good mid-range camcorder. The Sony line of DSLR using the semitransparent mirrors allow for continuous PDAF focus while filming, which would improve the experience with your current DSLR, but are still relatively bulky.
Do the current generation of video-capable DSLRs still use a rolling shutter for video? If so, fast motion will look better with most dedicated video camcorders (no wobbling/skewing effect as the camera or the subject move).
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Well, I assume your DSLR takes much better shots then your iPhone. Stands to reason a video camera will take much better videos. Whether it's useful or not, that's another issue. I have a video camera that records in HD, and an 8mos old and 3yr old. It's never charged and/or with me when I want to use it. =)
I shot some video awhile back with a $600 camcorder, and when the battery ran out I switched to my iPhone 4. When I put the video together in iMovie was very apparent to me when I had switched. The difference in quality was very noticeable.
Then again I find very few instances when I'm compelled to carry the camcorder with me.
If you're the kind of person who will make a point of carrying it for special occasions (birthday party, first trip to Disneyland, first haircut [definitely film this one if your kid is a screamer], etc.) then by all means spring for the $600 camcorder. Especially if you ever think you might want to zoom.
But if you're likely to leave it in the closet, just get an iPhone 4S.
Yeah I guess some blurry, poorly exposed footage is better than no footage.
You see those old 8 mm footage from the '60s and '70s that people took, the quality is not there but that's all you have and they obviously were not impromptu movies.
Previous generations of parents and children grew up with a lot of footage of kids so this generation can probably survive if there isn't a lot of crystal-clear HD videos documenting their childhood.
We use, depending on convenience, a iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, Canon PowerShot SD1300, and an Olympus E-PL2 for our video. I own a dedicated Sony DCR Digital8 camcorder that I haven't used since my daughter was 1 year old due to the fact that it's as big as all the above cameras, combined(!), despite having superior video quality.
Now modern camcorders are much much smaller, but have other drawbacks that prevented me from purchasing them:
1) The pocket camcorders have marginally better quality than the iPhone but shorter battery life or storage and limited built in sharing abilities; the flip is that the iPhone requires a data plan.
2) The slightly bigger and higher quality pocket camcorders have much better ergonomics and their video is slightly better than my PowerShot but they are also as big as the PowerShot+iPhone combined. The tradeoff of a better lens didn't make the cut, for me, and on the flip side the IQ isn't any better than my E-PL2, which has much better picture taking qualities. If I wanted better video I would just use my E-PL2, which I use for all the nice pictures anyway, and if I was in a pinch and didn't pack my E-PL2 the pocketability of the iPhone or PowerShot more than makes up for the slightly worse IQ.
3) The bigger camcorders have hands down the best video quality, but not dramatically more so than my E-PL2, and aren't nearly as flexible wrt lens selection, image quality, and general picture taking options.
If you can find it in yourself to always pack a camcorder there is nothing wrong with getting a dedicated camcorder, but if you can swing a m43 or other mirrorless camera, you'll probably love being able to take great pictures or video in a pinch without really sacrificing anything.
You can get a m43 E-PL1 kit for $299 from Adorama, for example, and the E-PL2 is available from Costco.com for $399.
Thanks for the comments.
I owned two camcorders, but digital but SD format. One was a high end Panasonic DVX-100B, paided way too much, 24p and 3CCD, but the quality was terrible. Another was a Sony DVR and this one was actually almost the same quality as the DVX, but years old and much much cheaper. After seeing such a little improvement, decided that camcorders were a waste.
One of the issues with the camera phone is the focusing and low light ability. I assumed I'm just spoiled with the DSLR that I should expect video to capture near the same quality. I have tried using the DSLR for video but not having auto focus is hard to work around. Thinking what might be the better solution is a higher end point and shoot, or a Canon Rebel (compact size plus better image quality).
Handholding a DSLR plus working the focus ring is pretty difficult (not to mention diaper bag, wiggle baby). Also the lack of stabilization on most camera phones and DSLRs make for some hard to watch video.
The more I think about it, a smaller format DSLR would be the best all purpose camcorder (except for the ergo part). It's light enough that even with the difficult holding position, you can still film for a short while.
Also, rumors of the T4i seem to point to video with auto focus.
http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/04/cano ... t4i-cr2-2/
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Also the lack of stabilization on most camera phones and DSLRs make for some hard to watch video.
It's worth pointing out that most of Canon's SLRs when paired with IS lenses, will run the IS system during video recording. At least my 5D3 does, and from what I understand the 7D and 5D-2 do as well. It seems to work well enough. DigitalRev TV is shot entirely on a 5d-2 with a 24-105/4L IS USM, and no extra stabilizing equipment, and it's definitely not shaky cam land.
Still doesn't solve the focus pulling problem, which IME is the single biggest problem with SLR video systems in the "fast and dirty" use case.
iPhone 4S has image stabilization for videos, doesn't it?
Also iMovie does stabilization correction in software.
But you might say that to properly capture video, you have to be using steadicam or at least tripod.
The E-PL2 has in body stabilization, and I use a MF lens on it so I can't speak for the quality of its AF other than it exists.
I still use a Sony HC1E which is a HDV1080i camcorder that uses TAPES for goodness sake!
However it has excellent handling and manual controls, including focus and zoom rings and a super lens.
Bottom line is it takes really nice video and is a good tool to use. Plus video is a service I offer clients and if I turned up with an iPhone or my Lumix TZ5 on a tripod it would look a bit shonky.
At some point I shall probably change my DSLR, an Olympus E3, for one that shoots video, but I am in no hurry. The Sony works fine.
We're not talking about a job but filming our kids.
Good video though requires planning. So maybe using a DSLR mounted on tripod, under good lighting conditions, may be the approach, rather than expecting to capture spontaneous moments like you could with a cell phone always handy.
There is nothing wrong with having shake and vibration in your videos. It's the memory that you want to elicit, not wow people who've never seen the video, yes?
Meaning when you watch the video 3 years later it's your memories that come rushing back that are most important.
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There is nothing wrong with having shake and vibration in your videos. It's the memory that you want to elicit, not wow people who've never seen the video, yes?
Meaning when you watch the video 3 years later it's your memories that come rushing back that are most important.
It depends. Having top quality video of photogenic children to give to the news crews might make all the difference when you fake their kidnapping and appeal for help making the ransom.
y. I assumed I'm just spoiled with the DSLR that I should expect video to capture near the same quality.Correct. The dSLR sensor is sooooooo much bigger than the average consumer camcorder sensor it ain't funny, and that pays significant dividends in low light...
Which is why I use a mirrorless m43 camera to capture my videos.
Biggest reason to get a camcorder over a DSLR for video: Autofocus
Unless you want to buy a bunch of focus wands, special LCD hoods and 10 lbs of crap around... just to be able to see what you're shooting and having to manual focus on it... just go with a video cam.
I don't understand.
There's a pretty decent compromise product, am I misunderstanding?
Mirrorless cameras have large senors >> sensors on a camcorder, are lightweight, have a decent lens selection, have image stabilization, and good image quality for pictures.
Why is the standalone camcorder a better autofocus solution in that case? You end up with a good but fixed lens, a small sensor, and low resolution stills.
I haven't used many of them but from what I've read and understood... the AF speed for video on m43 only reached parity/acceptable to "video cameras" in ONE (and only one) model. (I remember reading the review but I don't remember which one it was.) The review was on Dpreview... but that's not a ringing endorsement of DSLR video AF.
(And so far... only that one m43 camera has managed to pull it off. And yet... performance will vary with lens, of course.)
But then it still has the other weaknesses of a camera over a video camera. (No shoulder mount... no external gooseneck eyepiece to the side... no comfortable layout of controls for video shooting... etc.)
Note: having "power zoom" on the lens is just asking for camera wobble.
Another "advantage" of camcorders is their very large depth of field. Film makers and artists like a shallow DOF so they can control the shot.
Mom and Dad just want Jr. in focus any time he's in the viewfinder.
That's why I had the caveat that I generally use manual focus; but having an iPhone, PowerShot, and 18 year old camcorder, I can't actually fault the AF on my camera (I do use it every once in a while!)
I don't see how a shoulder mount would work on a camcorder the size of a soda can; I've not seen a "gooseneck" eyepiece on a consumer camcorder in about a decade I think, etc.
The only advantage I can see with a dedicated camcorder is the small sensor size provides large depth of field and the long barrel length provides more zoom range.
The tradeoff is that the MLC has better IQ.
I keep looking at getting standalone camcorders for fun, ala Canon Vixia, but have never committed because at that cost I can always get another lens for my camera or get a brand new camera with other neat features I can play with.
I'm looking at m43 hopefully, probably on the cheaper end, but with a decent budget you could do a hell of a lot worse than a Panasonic GH2. The firmware is hackable allowing very high bitrate encoding, allows full manual control including shutter speed and frame rate (1080 @ 24p and 60i, 720 @ 60p). Search Vimeo for GH2 samples. You'll be surprised at the quality in a lot of those clips.
You won't get all of the manual control, but if size and budget are a bigger factor, the GF3 is pretty cheap right now. $399 with a 14mm f2.5 pancake or $450 I think with the stabilized kit zoom.
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Absolutely, but only for pros. Sometimes, it pays to keep things simple.
Honestly, it depends on what kind of video recording you do and foresee yourself doing over the life of the camcorder.
I use a dedicated camcorder because I'm frequently recording things that last 1 hour, 2 hour and even longer. The camcorder I have has an extended battery option that gives me over 3 hours of recording time, so it's worth it to me. A lot of DSLR/MLC camera options don't record longer than 1 hour at a time.
Plus, depth of field is important to me when video recording, but in the other direction; wide depth of field (helped with the smaller sensors in the camcorders compared to DSLR or MLC).
Image quality difference between a dedicated camcorder and a DSLR/MLC isn't as great as one might think; the larger sensors do allow for better low light performance, but we're still talking a 2MP image being recorded. Plus, the eye is less discerning, because the images are moving (vs. a static image).


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Healing the Hoof During Therapy or Layup
- Dec 9, 2011
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During the horse's time off the farrier can rebalance the foot more aggressively than he or she would if the horse were in work or make shoeing changes that would be impractical if the horse were competing.
Photo: Erica Larson, News Editor
Whether caused by injury or lameness, time off from competition affords an opportunity for a farrier to make shoeing and trimming changes to accommodate a performance horse's needs. At the 6th International Equine Conference on Laminitis and Diseases of the Foot, held Oct 28-31 in West Palm Beach, Fla., Aaron Gygax, CJF, a sport horse farrier from Brittnau, Switzerland, explained how--with a veterinarian's advice--a farrier can devise a hoof care plan that helps a horse return to performing as soon as possible.
"Making the most of this time helps speed recovery and improves the overall health and condition of the feet before the horse starts back in work," he explained.
Gygax emphasized that communication between veterinarian, horse owner, rider, and farrier during this period is key. The farrier, in particular, needs to know how much time off the horse requires; if his layup is injury-related and, if so, due to what type of injury; and how much exercise he will be getting and on what surface (A horse that needs to be hand-walked over hard ground for injury recovery, for instance, should not be barefoot.).
During the horse's time off the farrier can rebalance the foot more aggressively than he or she would if the horse were in work or make shoeing changes that would be impractical if the horse were competing, Gygax said. First and foremost, however, the farrier selects shoeing mechanics to support any injury the horse might have.
When possible, Gygax pulls the horse's shoes to improve hoof balance and condition and to relax the foot. "For example, in a horse with severely contracted and sheared heels, I may pull the shoes off as soon as I get a chance," he explained. "With repeated trimming over a short period of time, the problem can not only be corrected, but the feet can be dramatically improved, which gives the horse a better foundation for the upcoming (competition) season."
Gygax also tries to remove any type of glue from the feet as well as any shoeing applications that would have been used to give the horse more traction.
While shoeing and trimming options are limitless, owners whose horses are temporarily out of work for should work closely with their veterinarian and farrier to formulate hoof care and shoeing plans that will optimize healing and ultimately improve performance.
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Alexandra Beckstett, The Horse Managing Editor
Alexandra Beckstett, Managing Editor of The Horse and a native of Houston, Texas, is a lifelong horse owner who has shown successfully on the national hunter/jumper circuit and dabbled in hunter breeding. After graduating from Duke University, she joined Blood-Horse Publications as Assistant Editor of its book division, Eclipse Press, before joining The Horse.
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Lacey Gurien, State Park aquarium specialist, gives informational tours of the native fish, turtles, lizards and snakes kept there and show visitors what happens at feeding time.
"Everything in our aquarium is native to Lake Dardanelle," Gurien said. She receives a lot of help from others who care.
"I have fishermen and grad students from Tech who bring me fish," she said. "I bring in fish to add to the collection as well.
"Local fishermen and Fisheries and Wildlife grad students are a big help with aiding in building our collection."
Lake Dardanelle has a diverse population of wildlife. People are invited to see some examples kept in the aquarium of the kind of animals that live around the lake and for free.
"It's great," Gurien said. "Folks are able to see the wide variety of fish we have here at the lake."
It takes a great deal of effort, patience and a lot of work into keeping and building the aquarium's collection.
"I have a lot of daily maintenance to perform," Gurien said. "I put 'bugs' in peoples ears to let them know I'm looking for specific snakes, lizards and other animals to have on site for people to view. I'm always on the hunt for new fish species to add to the aquarium.
Darter fish are one example of fish folks typically see at the aquarium.
"They are native to the lake," she said. "But, some people don't know that. They look like a tropical fish and are so small many people wouldn't have a chance to view them in the lake."
Gurien has an underground laboratory where she keeps turtles, fish under quarantine and snakes that are rotated in and out of the Visitor Center aquarium. The turtles sometimes need a break and a larger area to swim around and relax in. Gurien keeps new fish brought in by donors in a special tank to make sure they are fit to go in the aquarium.
In a different section of her lab, Gurien keeps several breeds of snakes that have taken a break from the activities on the center's main floor.
"We have a milk snake, a rough green snake, an 8-year-old great plains rat snake and a hog nose snake," she said.
"But, we do not keep any venomous snakes here at the Visitor's Center, aquarium or lab area.
Some people may think the visitor's center is just that, Gurien said. But, it's so much more.
"Rediscover your state parks," she said. "We are always changing and we're always doing something fun.
"We feed the fish on Tuesday and Saturday at 1:30 p.m. and the critters get fed Saturday at 1:45."
For more information about Lake Dardanelle State Park Vistitor's Center, and other upcoming events there, go to www.arkansasstateparks.com/lakedardanelle/.


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Anyone been there recently?
I'm thinking about going up there next summer.
I would appreciate recommendations for places to stay, sights to see and possibly places to camp.
Also, are there any private camp camping facilities with shelters?
I'm thinking about going up there late June or maybe early July.
With regard to the ferry from Prince Rupert is it worthwhile to get a cabin?


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LICUs Awarded Summer Intern Grants in Fierce Competition
The NCUA announced Wednesday that 22 low-income credit unions have been awarded grants that will pay for student interns this summer.
The credit unions, located in 16 states, received a combined total of $80,000 from the Community Development Revolving Loan Fund.
According to the NCUA's release, competition for the funds was fierce. More than 40 applications for more than $150,000 in funding requests were received on May 1 alone, the day the application period opened.
Applications were reviewed and grants were awarded on a first-come, first-served basis until funding was exhausted, the Alexandria, Va.-based regulator said.
"A Student Internship Grant makes several good things happen," NCUA Board Chairman Debbie Matz said in a statement. "It provides students with paid work experience and introduces them to credit unions. It also gives credit unions a chance to add some helping hands and to connect with young people, who could be future members or industry leaders. I'm encouraged to see these low-income credit unions take advantage of this opportunity."
The Student Internship Grant Initiative provides eligible low-income designated credit unions with up to $4,000 in funding for hiring student interns for the summer. The students hired will participate in a variety tasks, including implementing marketing plans, ensuring compliance and assisting with the credit union's operations. A list of the winning credit unions can be viewed on the NCUA's website.


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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by oscar_2424, Jul 18, 2006.
Who the Hell is that yummy thing??
This page is full of WIN, minus the azarenka pic
A Porsche Panamera is not a real Porsche.. It's a car "posers" or people who know nothing about cars purchase..
Azarenka posing by one makes it worse!
Never driven one have you?
Actually, yes. Both the Panamera and the 911.
But let's not derail the thread.
Larry, where are the match pictures from Stuttgart?!
First things first...
Oh Olga!
Daria (Dasha) Sharapova
Okay, I didn't know Maria had a sister.
She looks like a hippy... :shock:
Olga looks great (as always).
The picture of M. Sharapova posing by the Blue Porsche is proably the second best picture I have ever seen of her.
Maria's cousin, not sister.
so the Panamera Turbo S is for soccer moms? ...LOL
Panamera Turbo S is for corporate types. It's just not a cool car.
wouldn't be my 1st pick in the Porsche line but would definitely up this player's "coolness" factor.
You guys are out of your mind if you don't think the Panamera is awesome. But then I guess if you don't like that car, you probably don't think Audi S or RS Avants aren't cool either. How about a nice C6 or D3 series S6 or S8? Ya, I guess those are too corporate too.
Audi RS is understated cool... Looks like mum's car, but goes like stink! ... stealth killer.
The Panamera tries too hard to be as cool as the Maserati Quattroporte, but it just isn't. It's something an older successful banker would buy.
I was in Austin and I saw three Panameras driven by three older people (in each car).
Well, she still looks like a hippy.
assorted few here... http://www.complex.com/rides/2012/06/gallery-25-celebrities-and-their-porsche-panameras/
no bankers listed here...
Vika in Mutua Open Madrid
^Vika could be your girl next door. She's only insanely more rich than you are.
Arantxa Rus
what happened to the other thread where the creepy guy posted all those photos?
these pics are kind of old, but here goes...
Larcher De Brito
Severine B.
That's what I'm sayin'. Right there.
Azarenka's little sister?
Wow! This is classy!
a nice car is a nice car....and aza is looking good these days.
true that......the only porsche i like better is the spyder concept.
Maria is smokin' hot. There - I said it!
... Kirilenko? Oh yes sir! you are so correct on that!
Maria Kirilenko is smokin' hot!!! :grin:
Never understood the fascination with Kirilenko. Her attitude stinks, her jaw/cheeks are huge and square, and she has no figure. Obviously she's still one of the more attractive players (and yes I know judging beauty is subjective) but I just don't see what the big deal is. Ok, flame away. =P
Sharpova! I'll have to check out Kirilenko:twisted:
This is an awesome car. It's worth over a million dollars.
I must agree with BlueB. This is as beautiful a picture of a woman that I have ever seen. And the woman performing the interview looks pretty good as well, though there's not much of an angle to see her. But Maria looks absolutely amazing here.
Nice pic for sure, but she's still 6'2 and a half " tall. In heels, she'd top 6'8" or LebronJames altitudes.
I"m only 5'11", so will leave her to you.
I'm 5'7" and I would take her in a nanosecond - but back to reality..
Ahh man, can't judge by photos alone. I once turned down a potential date based on one picture and weeks later ran into her and crap she was above average and foolish me.
yes it is.....saw it in need for speed most wanted and my jaw dropped.
Nice car, but we should stay on topic.....
Not to be droll, but that is a climb that I'd rather enjoy.
The hottest Maria has looked IMO
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that was a foul on that davis bucket
that was a foul on that davis bucket
i like davis' composure tho.. no overly animated complaints to the ref.. just paused for a moment and went back to D.. ive never really seen him complain much.. i like that. Too many players are divas these days
superfan really hogging that womans knee space
Wow, he even hesitated and it went in (Alen Anderson)
mlseteamupfoundation.org .... Jesus... couldn't be longer...
Amir has been great with those put-backs
timeout casey, good time out, raps havent scored in 2 minutes
great timing on that jump by lowry to force the miss on the break
are you kidding me ref!!!! you saw him let it go becaue he KNEW it was ours! (AA's supposed turnover)
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Let Lowry play!!!!
I do realize Lowry is aiming to prove a point about he can be a team first PG but he needs to remember he is a beast of a scoring option himself.
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Re: The General Footy Thread
I'm getting fed up with that little fucker getting injured. Nobody can be that unlucky...just stay on your feet or learn to skip tackles or something. It's getting boring now.
Never understood the fuss over him. Marginally above average player and has hardly progressed.
Ramsay is the big miss for you.


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With "occupy" protests erupting in small bursts of violence and 99 percent-ers calling for a more balanced distribution of wealth, concerns for the beleaguered middle class abound. In this week's Raucous Caucus, educator and recruiter Tom Cushing discusses three issues that need to be addressed to resuscitate the middle class: trade and currency adjustment; construction and housing and education.
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Restoring the middle class
a resident of Walnut Creek
on Oct 27, 2011 at 9:07 am
I live only on my Social security and a small savings, but please, don't put me in that category of middle class that is destroying the city of Oakland, costs millions to clean up after.
Don't they realize that this 1% is feeding and employing them?
a resident of San Ramon
on Oct 27, 2011 at 12:34 pm
The demonstrators are NOT part of a solution; they ARE creating costs and problems. Why do news reports/reporters keep broadcasting that MOST Americans support the demonstrators? MOST Americans are still at work while the demonstrators are enjoying publicity and good weather. Wish it would rain for a week.
a resident of another community
on Oct 31, 2011 at 10:01 am
Many ignorant reporters contribute to the ignorant masses. Many protesters are anti-American Berjerkley miscreants. Some worthy politically naive who do have various reasons, end up only helping the ignorant masses.
It is true the real middle-class is bearing the burden, for many of the bums who have always hated even the middle-class.
When Michael Moore, the new Jess Jackson, shows up, it's time to turn off the TV.
Hey Sonya, I like that...think I'll do a rain dance.
a resident of another community
on Oct 31, 2011 at 10:18 am
Just heard on KGO union activists are now trying to get city and county workers to skip work on Wed 'however they have to not work' and to show up to help the occupiers. No surprise,I've known all along, with the purple SEIU shirts and public employees, who just fan any protest to make it about the public unions ! Now it's becoming another Peoples Republic of public employee socialist protest....
Innocent,politically naive who had grievances about loss of & job shortage, etc. are drowned out by the regular (& paid) leftist, socialist, union activists...who ruin it for what started out legitimately. Ignorant reporters and union political activists ruin it for everybody. The costs they create will just come out of other programs,
a resident of Danville
on Nov 1, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Yes, those ungrateful protesters should just shut up, go home, and keeping looking for that elusive job, while the financial institutions that caused this depression go on handing out bonuses and refusing to make loans (despite sitting on a pile of cash and having been bailed out by the government).
Only those with power deserve to exercise First Amendment rights.
And, what's wrong with the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, and the middle class disappearing, anyway?
(I believe that is what you all were really trying to say, right?)
a resident of Walnut Creek
on Nov 2, 2011 at 1:10 am
Sam, if they want to demonstrate against the financial institutions then do in front of them, but do not stop the merchants that are trying to make a living, destroying their property and loose customers, because they are afraid to go shopping.
We the middle class or the poor will have to pay for the clean up of the mess they are creating.the banks are not going to pay , but you [if you pay taxes] and me will.
a resident of Danville
on Nov 3, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Well, it sounded like the objections being voiced here were mostly to the message itself, and that folks here were essentially saying that the protesters should just stop protesting and be grateful to the 1% that any of them were being employed at all.
Change doesn't come without a demand for change. Public protests are just about the only avenue left to those who can't afford high-priced lobbyists.
The "collateral damage" is unfortunate. But, sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
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When Max Power Greece asked us to shoot a Martins M3 for a full feature, we naturally agreed with a grin.
Now that Max Power released Martins feature issue, I wanted to share a few unreleased photos from our shoot. To see Martins M3 in person, please look for this car at the Race Technologies Brembo booth at the BimmerFest show on May 14th!
iND style up! http://ind-style.com/2011/04/22/martin-in-print/


text: Jeffrey B. Layton wrote: > Also, there are users in classified environments who would love to > get rid of as many disks as they can because of administrative as well > as security issues. We had proposed something like that about a year ago to a customer with those issues. Running nodes pure diskless, and doing the air-gap bit on the head node (simple power on/off was not acceptable, there was an explicit "air-gap" requirement on the power cord and wall socket). It seems that some other vendor has productized this as well. Generally it is fairly simple to do (Tiburon has support for this, as does Perceus/WW, and others ... ). >> The diffentiation then is management. I'm not convinced that it will be >> easier to install and manage a cluster with (say) 1 to 4 GB flash drives >> used as boot compared to using e.g. warewulf to manage boot images. Or >> that it will be faster. Or (really) cheaper -- $40 is still $40 more >> than a diskless system, and $40 that would buy it more real memory that >> is likely to ultimately be more valuable in terms of improved >> performance and stability. Keeping the nodes as clean, simple, cheap as possible is a good thing. Cluttering them up with lots of unneeded things doesn't help much. One area which does have a cross-over point is IPMI. After about 10-15 nodes, it starts getting less expensive to get a switched PDU and a console server. Gives you the same bios level access and power control. You do lose a little going without IPMI ... it does give you more scriptable management flexibility ... one of the nicer aspects is being able to force stateful installs (the disk based ones) to pxe boot on next boot, from a script. IPMI cards cost $60-$120 depending upon what you need them to do (kvm over ip or not). Dell has DRAC cards, Sun's are integrated in, HPs and IBMs are extra, no idea on pricing. At 15 of thise, you are looking at $1800, which more than pays for the console server and switchable PDU. > Good point. I agree :) Now, about teaching you Fortran90.... F90? We are at F200x (x==3 or 4) already ... Sheesh! -- Joseph Landman, Ph.D Founder and CEO Scalable Informatics LLC, email: landman at scalableinformatics.com web : http://www.scalableinformatics.com http://jackrabbit.scalableinformatics.com phone: +1 734 786 8423 fax : +1 866 888 3112 cell : +1 734 612 4615