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stupid decision by BC if this is true, melo would be a good decision but we cant give up our whole team just for melo you know
This is from Chris Broussard at ESPN.com.One source close to the talks said Sunday afternoon that the deal could be clinched if the Nets can find a fourth team willing to absorb Johan Petro's salary.
The Nets and Nuggets, meanwhile, have not stopped looking for other teams beyond Detroit that would be interested in joining the trade, since Denver does not have a strong need for Harris with young guard Ty Lawson on the roster. New Jersey and Denver have likewise continued to discuss trade possibilities with the Nuggets that don't involve any other teams.
So my question is, you think Devin Harris (and Petro to a lesser extent?) is someone BC is interested in? Are you guys?
This might be the only way we can get involved at this point if you read the latest on the trade with DEN, NJ and DET.
Last edited by Joey; Sun Jan 9th, 2011 at 05:43 PM.
(note: I had this in the Let's NBA forum and brought it here)
This is the latest rumoured trade for Carmelo Anthony.
Just a small exchange.
From stuff I've read, DET does not want to add Petro and now seeing DEN does not want Harris, I would get invovled with the TPE.
IMO a 7-footer making only $3.25M a season would be nice to have - it is not like the guy could not get moved again especially to a team needing size heading in to the playoffs for a late first round pick (Orlando?).
Also, IMO, Harris would have value around the league. Surely he could fetch an expiring and a decent draft pick (Portland, Sacramento?).
*EDIT* NJ has 5 first round draft picks over the next 2 years. Giving it a little thought Harris will be easy to flip for DEN so they probably take him on even though they may not 'need' him for the same reasons the Raptors would take him on. DEN is reportedly getting 2 picks which I would guess are NJ's 1st round pick this year and GSW's 1st round pick next year. If I am BC I offer to take on Petro using the TPE to get back the 2011 2nd rounder DET has from Delfino trade and the Lakers 1st round pick from NJ. Teams typically spend up to $3M for a draft pick - 2 more seasons of Petro at $3.25M each is about the same. Also Petro might be able to be traded before the deadline as well. The idea of helping an Atlantic division rival sucks but it is obvious Melo ends up in NJ or NYK - NJ is definitely the lesser of 2 evils.
Just some thoughts.
Last edited by mcHAPPY; Sun Jan 9th, 2011 at 07:01 PM.
From what I read and understand, the deal to the Nets would only happen at the trade deadline. This is because Denver wants the Nets 1st round pick to be as high as possible. If the deal went down today, the Nets would make the playoffs.
Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
Source: ESPN.comMultiple sources with knowledge of the talks expressed optimism Sunday that a three-team deal involving the Pistons featuring at least 15 players -- with Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups winding up in New Jersey with Anthony -- could be completed in the next day or two.
The good thing if the Melo trade is done in the next day or two then it will open the floodgates of other moves. It seems like everyone is waiting for the Melo-drama to end before anyone else shows their cards.
Source: Yahoo Sportsthe Denver Nuggets delivered a stern warning to the New Jersey Nets: Unless the public nature of these trade discussions becomes private, be warned that we will send Anthony to the New York Knicks
Lesson: Don't show your cards and discourage others in talks to do the same.
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Hello everyone,as you see, vBulletin allow your comments Publish to Facebook after you replied.But I have a custom mod for my forum, and I want to my users Publish their comments to Facebook too .How can I do it?Thank you so much !!!
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Our team may be terrible but at least we won't have to read about it from Hollinger anymore. In the words of DD....#Clown
Our team may be terrible but at least we won't have to read about it from Hollinger anymore. In the words of DD....#Clown
In the words of DD "Definitely, ya definitely glad hes gone"
I like Hollinger. I wonder what he'll be doing with the Grizz exactly.
The man was a staple for messege board discussions. Other analysts gave their opinions, Holinger gave you the numbers that he based his opinions on.
I think overall he was a positive contributor to pro basketball.
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Hollinger always seemed to have Colangelo and the Raptors pegged. Maybe that's why he's not popular with some on this forum. Though not foolproof, Hollinger is the very best at evaluating NCAA talent for the NBA draft.
we can permanently kill any AB or DD rumours for Rudy Gay (or anyone else) on Memphis, as JH aint gonna let either of those deals happen ...
I can't help but feel that the Grizzlies are much better off with Hollinger on board.
I found his numbers only truly worked to show the impact that star players had and did a piss poor job on middle tier guys, but I'm also of the school that believes basketball is one of those sports that can't be quantified with numbers and that the roles that are necessary on a team don't allow it to be properly analyzed with pure stats the way you could in baseball for example.
Good luck to him.
It will be interesting to see him have an opportunity to put his money where his mouth is - so to speak.
Hollinger gets promoted to one of the most exclusive jobs in the world, running one of the best teams in the NBA, and gets paid millions to do it.
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MESA, Ariz. -- The good news for Matt Garza is that his right elbow felt fine. The bad news, though, is he had to cut short a scheduled 40-pitch throwing session because of a mild lat strain on his left side.
"It's not as bad as I thought, so that's good," Garza said Sunday after getting some treatment. "I'm just kind of day to day."
Garza was facing hitters for the first time since his last start July 21. He'd been sidelined after that outing because of right elbow problems, and Sunday was his first live batting practice session. He faced three batters, and then Jorge Soler stepped into the cage. Garza stopped his session, stepped off the mound, and appeared to be trying to stretch his side.
"I threw the first fastball from the stretch, and it was like a water cramp," Garza said. "I didn't drink that much water today. Naturally, I'm not going to push it. My arm felt fine, so I was pretty pumped about that. The ball felt good coming out of my hand. I think that's what I'm most upset about -- I was like, 'Yeah.' It shouldn't be a big thing and we'll see [Monday]."
Cubs manager Dale Sveum and pitching coach Chris Bosio went to the mound, as did athletic trainer PJ Mainville. Garza then left the field.
"My elbow was fine, everything on my right side was fine," Garza said. "I was like, 'What the [heck]?' The ball felt like it was coming out of my hand good, I had good control and downward movement and everything had movement and I was happy I threw the ball well. It's a little frustrating, but it's early."
Garza, who was 5-7 with a 3.91 ERA in 18 starts last season, will be re-evaluated on Monday to determine the next step. Sveum didn't think the right-hander was amped up because it was his first time against hitters.
"I don't think there's any rhyme or reason to lat pulls," Sveum said. "Those kind of things happen from a sneeze or a cough sometimes. It's one of those things. There's no rhyme or reason to lat pulls or rib cages or things like that."
The Cubs began Spring Training feeling they had enough depth as far as the rotation is concerned, even though Scott Baker is coming back from Tommy John surgery. Baker was not expected to be ready when the regular season begins, which left Garza, Jeff Samardzija, Edwin Jackson, Scott Feldman and Travis Wood in the rotation.
"We'll find out a lot more [Monday] and the next day," Sveum said. "Hopefully, it's nothing and he doesn't get set back according to Opening Day. If so, then we have to evaluate the situation. We have the depth and it's not that big a deal that way. It's too early to know what plan we're going to take."
Garza said he wasn't even throwing a maximum effort, but throwing 80 to 85 percent.
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The 24-year-old Brazilian defender has been unavailable since undergoing an MRI on June 5th that showed no structural damage in his surgically repaired right knee following an injury suffered during a Reserve League match against the Portland Timbers on June 2nd.
Leonardo was back on the training ground on Monday morning, not participating in full training, but rather running laps around the ground during the session. After training on Monday, I got a chance to catch up with Leonardo and although he is still listed as out due to right knee inflammation according to the club's injury report, the Brazilian is pleased with his progress.
"I feel that I'm at about 50% or 60%," Leonardo said. "And I think that in a week to two weeks from now, I should be able to see how I am with the ball. But we'll have to see day by day."
Leonardo's optimism is certainly commendable as the Brazilian's rehabilitation from knee surgery to repair tears to his Anterior Cruciate Ligament (ACL) and Lateral Collateral Ligament (LCL) last April has been a frustrating one.
After seemingly returning to action by making a pair of Reserve League appearances as well as a full 90 minute appearance during the Galaxy's U.S. Open Cup match against the Carolina Railhawks, the Brazilian's injury against Portland and subsequent MRI provided a setback. But since the MRI, Leonardo has been slowly working his way back to the training field.
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Fraley: Swapped for Young, new Ranger Josh Lindblom could have big shoes, role to fill
Josh Lindblom, the Rangers' new reliever, is a caring person. His foundation works with children caught in difficult financial circumstances.
It figured Lindblom would go along when club representatives visited area hospitals, spreading holiday cheer. That is his nature.
On that goodwill tour, Lindblom learned head-on what awaits him with his new club.
A patient complained the Rangers had traded away her favorite player: infielder Michael Young. How could the Rangers do such a thing, she asked. No one could replace Michael Young.
"Um, I'm the guy they got for Michael in the trade," said Lindblom, promising to do the utmost for his new club.
Good thing no one slipped in a mention that Lindblom had trouble keeping the baseball in the park last season.
Until further notice, that will be Josh Lindblom's tag: the guy the Rangers got for franchise icon Michael Young. Whatever Lindblom does this season in the Rangers' rebuilt bullpen will be measured against what Young accomplishes with the Phillies.
"I can never be what Michael Young is to this city, to this community, to this team," Lindblom said. "What I can do is bring the things I've learned in my career to help the team.
"Michael Young is a great leader, a great person and a great ballplayer. But there really is no uneasiness about getting traded for Michael. I'll just come in and be myself."
Lindblom has been traded for a popular player twice in the last five months. On July 31, he went from the Los Angeles Dodgers to Philadelphia as part of a deal for outfielder Shane Victorino.
The change did not go well. Lindblom admitted to pressing to show the locals that he was a fitting replacement for Victorino. He began overthrowing and lost pitch command.
Lindblom allowed four home runs and 17 walks in 231/3 innings, far too high a rate for a reliever entrusted with late-inning duty. The Phillies moved him down in the bullpen pecking order and out of pressure situations.
"I didn't perform the way I wanted," Lindblom said.
Lindblom gets the same chance with the Rangers that the Phillies offered.
With Alexi Ogando returning to the rotation and Mike Adams heading to Philadelphia as a free agent, the Rangers have a pressing need for seventh- and eighth-inning relievers to set up closer Joe Nathan. Adams and Ogando combined for 39 "holds," preserved save chances, last season.
Lindblom has the necessary experience. He had 22 holds in 25 chances with the Dodgers and Phillies.
"Every role has to be earned," Lindblom said. "No role is given away. I'm going to take … whatever role they give me and run with it."
To get the setup job, Lindblom must address a problem that could not be contained last season. He was plagued by the long ball. He allowed 13 homers, third-highest total among major-league relievers, in 71 combined innings.
According to several major league officials, it was all about Lindblom having no margin of error when it comes to location. If Lindblom can sink the fastball and get movement on the slider, he will get outs. If he keeps the fastball and the slider high in the zone, he will give up homers, especially in his new home park.
Lindblom lacks deception in his delivery. When his pitches are up, hitters get a good view of them.
"I need to focus on staying down in the zone, attacking hitters and getting strike one," Lindblom said. "Get back to the basics of pitching."
Lindblom did that as a rookie with the Dodgers in 2011, working 292/3 innings without allowing a homer. If Lindblom returns to that level, the Michael Young Fan Club will welcome him with open arms.
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Does anyone use logic anymore?
Does anyone use logic anymore?
Look, you are getting way too worked up over this, all The Knicks are doing is working players out, they have not signed anyone yet, so chill!!!
The Spurs signed T Mac and what the hell had he done recently?
What's illogical is to simply say "a player is a scrub and he is not worth looking at" that's simply stupid when you have limited resources to sign players, you gotta work every possible angle and hope to get lucky!
The Heat will work out players you call "scrubs" as will the rest of the league luxury tax paying teams...why, because they are over the cap and are trying to land a rotation player on the cheap
Again its illogical to think we can't even work guys out.
In all likelihood neither are Knicks but why the hell are you getting your panties all balled up over us even taking a look?
Look when we first signed Shawne Williams posters were saying the same things you are right now, then it worked out!
Not looking for another Lin situation, just a player who can contribute; you see things too black and white.
No one -and I mean no one- on this site thought Pablo would do anything for us and look how that worked..
if working out Williams and Douby was the sum of our Free Agent searches then I would be pissed; but this is just one more method to try to find players, just like Summer League players who will never play, (one more time) you have to bring them in to just see what they have to offer!
Also...you did predict James White would be an impact player for us last year and doubted Felton would be any good for us, so maybe you need to humble yourself in regards to your assessment of NBA talent!
You predicted that not drafting OJ Mayo would set us back years and Bizmack Biyombo was Shawn Kemp with D...so yeah... yet you post with logic?
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Williams was a gimmick player for D'Antoni. He eventually got cold and ended up being a 15 man again then out of the league.
I ain't chilling.
Knicks are working out the wrong players.
T'Mac is at the end of his career and has nothing to do with this. Spurs are the best organization in the NBA, 90% of their signings are always a success and fit their team. They've run the same formula of role players and have been successful at it. Knicks, not so much.
You're saying logic is stupid, but hoping to get lucky isn't? Scouting isn't about luck. It's understanding of what an athlete brings to the table. Work ethic, energy, chemistry with teammates, communication with the coaches, determination to seek maximal improvement in all areas. It isn't luck, numb nuts. It's called research and good scouting.
Chris Anderson is actually a good player. but the Heat have LeBron James so it doesn't matter what they do, they will always succeed. We don't have a top 3 team in the East right now, we need to seek improvement and wasting time with E level scrubs like Williams and Douby isn't doing the job. Why that so hard for you to understand?
I never said we can't work guys out, you're a dumbass for making things up now. Working guys out is part of the plan, it's just about working the RIGHT guys out. An organization is represented by the caliber of players they present to their franchise. Shawne Williams and Douby are garbage.
Explain in full detail how Quincy Douby the Hatian American version of a 36 year old Mike Bibby and Shawne Williams sipping on some sizzurp can help the New York Knicks? How many minutes given you think they can be productive and help the Knicks become better than the Pacers, Heat, Bulls and Nets? Try your best.
No one on this site thought Pablo Prigioni would do anything for us? Yea, only dumbasses like you don't research basketball outside the NBA. Pablo Prigioni has been an impact PG on the international level for 12+ years for the Spanish league and FIBA for Argentina. I made a thread on here before Pablo even played a preseason game explaining why he was such a great signing and Pablo ended up being the started guard for the Knicks and the best defensive and passing guard on the roster.
Bringing up Pablo just totally killed anything you was mentioning and just made me look like a king.
OJ Mayo is an underrated guard who can drop 20 and 5 and play good defense. Knicks passed up on too much talent in these recent drafts and it has hurt us from becoming the best team we can be.
His name is Bismack, not Bizmack, numbnuts. He's only 20 years old and has a lot of room for improvement. We'll see how he develops before we become dumbasses like yourself assessing an NBA player's career based on 150 games. Jackass. Don't even type the word logic, you present none and your post on just based on "why not" and "luck". You lack a critical mind and you're clownish your ideas.
Look man, I know this childish name calling Internet tough guy talk is your thing but its not mine..I'm sorry I know you spent 2 very energized hours on your reply (sadly) but I've given you enough attention today! Go away!
"I'd Rather Melo shoot with 3 men on him than Jefferies shotting wide open"
-Jeff Van Gundy
You obviously got too gased up, everyone on this forum got a friend request from me. Your heart probably dropped like a bitch in reaction to it.
I call you what I want, because you're soft. It's not being a tough guy, you're soft so you make everyone look tough.
The reply took 8 minutes. I did it right after I got home from boxing and checked my emails and saw your lame post.
You're such a lame poster you can't even hold down your own agrument.
If you really was supporting the Quincy Douby invitation you would of posted this video to help your argument.
But instead you opted out to be a stupid *twat and show how low of a quality poster you are in providing information. I honestly saw the argument from both sides but wanted to pick on you because I know you don't provide evidence or facts. You're soft and fruity. Basketball discussion isn't your thing. Leave it to the best. You're still an amateur on this site.
Shawne Williams does have a better skill set than Steve Novak but neither are worthy to play with this team... Steve Novak being a pure shooter at this point is more of a trade chip than a rotation piece on our roster... Williams was a product of D'Antoni's system just like Jeremy Lin, could either be productive with this group -- maybe, but doubtful...
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First off say you're a"pro poster" and I merely just an "amateur" explain to me the benefit of one vs the other! Clearly this is the only place in life you matter because of the stock you out in your status here
But since poster status means so much to you please explain to me tough guy how I have half as many rep points as you and you posted more than 7000 more times than me? I'm certain you'll put some spin on it so I can't wait to hear!
Lastly I've given more support to Williams than Douby yet you keep bringing this dude up over and over like I want him signed, I unlike you am not going to get too worked over us working out a player, that's my whole point ..I'll tell you what, show your video to Woody and Grunwald maybe they'll realize how smart a talent scout you are as well as quality poster and give you a job!!! LOL
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Not only you're weak physically, you're the weakest man in this forum mentality. You giving pep talk to NNY is like you giving me boxing advice. You're not mentally stable to give advice. The entire forum saw you have a nervous breakdown and expose yourself.
Go pick your chin up, stop coming to this forum all depressed, gloomy with low confidence.
Even funnier is how Crazy8 flirty mannerisms called NNY "smart" to soften him up. The typical Crazy8 style. He has no problem with flirting within the same sex. He's used his compliments and flirting to soften guys up to join his dead forum of 4 members. Doesn't get more pathetic than this guy.
this is my victory song anytime I put Crazy back in his place
Been playing this since 2009.
You cheat in the fantasy league and throw out posters that are on to you, you lose your mod status. You're a ****ing child born from the bad parenting of an immature wench and a father that didn't want you. No wonder you have to put all your effort in to being a man. Thing is, you were taught how to be a man by a girl.
We can only hope your pauper ass doesn't reproduce. That's a poor and unfortunate future in the making. A line of poorly raised morons.
Why are you repeated everything you cried about in your fake farewell?
makes you look weaker than you already are that you can't think outside of your depression.
Respect your superior.
This is the only dude on the forum who plays with his son's butthole for leisure. He gets no physical activity and spends 23 hours a day making a video that only gets 100 views and a forum that only has 4 members.
Amazing the amount of time this guys puts into to get nothing. No wonder why his whore wife left him for a true alpha male. You're too soft, "mate".


text: What you feel has nothing to do with the topic under discussion. The books, by definition, are not part of the canon, therefore yes, Kirk's death was canonical, and his resurrection was not. And whether or not you liked Kirk's death does not change the fact that it did happen, that someone wrote a story where Kirk died, just as someone wrote a story where Janeway died. And a lot of people do feel that Kirk's death was mishandled -- and evidently you're one of those people! So you're contradicting yourself when you say Janeway was the only captain whose fate was mishandled. It's simply not a statement that holds up to scrutiny. Uhh, no, not really; you're confusing two different Janeway finales. It was her actions in "Endgame" that were important to the factions in the future, because they triggered the events that led to Destiny and the Caeliar's redemption of the Borg. The events of Before Dishonor were essentially peripheral to that. They aren't. Come on, if you've really read the literature, you know the current crop of authors is dedicated to introducing new, strong female characters and to treating all characters equally regardless of their sex. You're manufacturing a pattern that doesn't exist, partly by fixating on captains to the exclusion of other characters who are often equally important in the literature. It's been pointed out many times that the person who decided to kill Janeway in the novels was a woman, editor Margaret Clark, so it's completely ludicrous to claim that there was any sexism behind it. You'd have to ask Margaret what her reasons were, but I'd imagine she may have felt that as an admiral, stuck in a desk job, Janeway wasn't doing anything really interesting anymore, so it might serve her character better to let her go out with a bang saving the Federation one last time. Not a gendered decision, simply a decision based on the rank and status the character canonically ended up in. As for Kira, yes, she left a leadership position for a different life, but let me remind you, so did Sisko. Right now, the situation is that Sisko is in command but Kira isn't, but five years ago it would've been the other way around, and there's no telling where it'll be five years from now. Again, it's nonsense to read anything gendered into it; it's simply the current slice of an evolving continuity. Also, you're forgetting one female captain, Ro Laren, who's still in a leadership position in the DS9 novels. Not to mention Captain Sonya Gomez of the da Vinci, Captain Afsarah Eden in command of the Delta Quadrant fleet, Captain Regina Farkas of the Quirinal, Captain Clarissa Glenn (commander by rank but captain by title) of the Galen, Captain Claudia Alisov of the Everett, admirals such as Nechayev, and numerous civilian authority figures like Nan Bacco and Gell Kamemor. And captains from earlier eras like Erika Hernandez, Hallie Gannon, Atish Khatami, Saavik, Demora Sulu, etc. On the male side, it's incorrect to say that Archer is "still" a captain. As of the most current time we've seen Archer, the founding ceremony of the Federation in August 2161, Enterprise has been decommissioned for more than a year -- and if you look carefully, you'll see that Archer is never referred to as "Captain Archer" in that chapter. Onscreen bio information from "In a Mirror, Darkly" suggests that Archer went on to become an admiral and the Starfleet Chief of Staff; it's quite possible he's already an admiral by that final scene in To Brave the Storm. But whatever his rank, he's not still in command of a starship as far as we know. So you're interpreting the data very selectively in order to support an entirely illegitimate claim that male and female characters are being treated differently. It just isn't so.


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We did not put any gas in the car yet because the KIA dealer filled it up before we drove home with the car.
I don't think you understand what I am saying. The car is a lemon and we were tricked. it is a 2013 brand new car that shakes and makes noises like crazy.
There are so many people on this forum that have so many different problems with this car that it is appalling.
I am not a solicitor just an upset customer and I was just replying to the other person who brought up the class action law suit.
Here is the quote from your website about the KIA Sorento 2012.
What Edmunds Says
No longer simply just a good value, the 2012 Kia Sorento is now an excellent pick for a small or midsize crossover SUV.
I used your website for research in order to make an educated and good desicion before I ventured into byuing a new car.
I am really surprised that with all the overwhelming negative reviews since 2003 on this site, you still reccomend this car as "an excellent pick."
Thank you
frustrated2 Posts: 28I completely agree!!! I bought a brand new 2005 and I have had nothing but problems with the vehicle. I have spent thousands and thousands of dollars in repairs not to mention the time invested and lost work bringing the vehicle back in forth to the garage for repairs. it is sad the every Kia repair shop in a 60 mile radius knows me by first name. I orig thought it was a great warranty as well however I drive so many miles to work that all the warranties were not covered. I fought and fought to have this car classified as a lemon but was unable to make that my full time job but again because i drive over 60k a year they kept telling me it was because the miles. Everything from the brakes, to replacing my whole engine, replacing headlights every 6 mo, to especially even the electrical system issues this car would def not be a recommendation to ANYONE. i have talked MANY people out of buying ANY type of KIA product. I still LOVE the looks of this car and it is perfect for me with re: to the size, the seats folding completely flat etc. However not worth the time wasted sitting at the garage and the time off work trying to get it there before they close (esp since no Kia dealership within 40 min of me). Being a female I hear so much crap from all of them. Trust me I do my research before I go in and told them I was not their typical "female" who knew nothing about cars nor was I gullable to their BS and stories they made up over the years. i could write a book on all their dumb [non-permissible content removed] stories I heard. The prob was I refused to leave until something was fixed properly or until I had the bill correct ie refused to pay labor on them fixing my brakes,etc 4 x in 9 mo (and it would have been sooner if i could have gotten car in to them). I love the looks of the new Kia but I refuse to buy another one due to fear of another lemon. But again, when u have SOOOO MANY LEMONS.....this seriously needs to be investigated. I hope everyone is able to get the class action going for you guys. think its too late for me!!!! good luck
We have "problems" discussions for most every brand here, just like every dealer you go to will have service bays so they can work on cars.
Reliability ratings are good and other Consumer Reviews here look good too (I just picked '05 for the link).
I think class actions are great for the lawyers or for consumers if you like getting a coupon for $500 (or less) off a new car. Otherwise it's better to work with the dealer yourself to get recurring issues fixed or go the small claims or BBB arbitration route. If you go the lawyer route, it'd likely be faster to go it alone with your own lemon lawyer. For safety issues, sometimes the NHTSA will do a recall if there's enough complaints and they are make the vehicle unsafe.
The Secret Warranty may help in your dealing with Kia.
I realize it is a monstrous disappointment to buy a new car and have trouble with it---I think the problem with making new car purchase decisions based solely on owner forums is that these forums are something like the ER room at a hospital---if you judged the condition of the human race only from the ER room, you'd have a pretty grim picture of our overall health.
Hopefully, whatever inherent defects automotive reviews may miss, the factory warranty and the factory "fixes" through TSBs can take care of all that. (hopefully).
I do understand what you are saying, but, without giving the dealer the opportunity to resolve the problem, it winds up becomming a mute point.
You must give the dealer the opportunity to diagnose fix the shaking. If after that, the problem still exists, then you have options.
There are so many things that can cause shaking (even on new cars). Something as simple as a bad set of tires can cause shaking while driving, certain electrical malufnctions can cause constant shaking. It could even have been a computer update (which is extremely possible) if before you drove off with the vehicle the dealer brought it in to be cleaned, etc. There is an update that was pushed to the Sorento not to long ago that I believe increased the transmission pressure. This caused the Sorento to "jerk", in some cases caused shaking, but mostly cause a "jerk" when the vehicle was started and made it sound like the transmission was banging into gear. If this is the case, they have to reset the transmission pressure back to the original ("factory specs").
All I am saying is, you can't consider the vehicle (or any vehicle - brand or otherwise) a lemon until the dealer has had the opportunity to resolve it.
If the vehicle was miss-represented in any way, you would need to show/prove how.
Also, you can't always go what people say on any forum because you don't always get the whole story.
stevem3rd Posts: 2I've actually read 90% of the posts here, maybe more than I should have... I think alot of the people posting here work for toyota or some other car company.... Just seem unreal that dealerships and the manufacturer would go out of there way to screw people ... All I'm saying I lOve my KIA, it's a 2011 with 52k on it ( AWD With a 4cyl. )
It's not that; it's just that happy owners like you rarely take the time to post that their car is running fine. And such posts really wouldn't be much on topic in a maintenance and repair discussion.
Hi Steve,
I agree, there is an inordinate number of complaints here versus other forums...don't get me wrong...I feel for the folks who have issues with their cars...we've ALL had issues with ALL of our cars...give the dealers a chance to honor the warranties...then escalate it above them..right to the VP of American KIA Sales if you have to...Both KIA and Honda are poised for historic growth..they know that bad references can kill the golden goose...
I remember when Honda and Toyota just started to take market share from the Big Three way back when...same types and frequencies of complaints came through at first....
Hyundai and Kia are driving Honda and Toyota crazy because they can move faster....
I love my 2013 Kia Sorento EXV6 even more than our Highlander and our 4Runner..but good news and good references rarely come to these types of "problem forums"...
Part of the problem is that a good dealer can make even a lemon tolerable. But dealers are "independent" of the manufacturer and the quality of service that you get varies widely. And there's only so much the manufacturer can do to keep their dealers "in line".
Meanwhile the manufacturers tell the dealers how much they will pay for warranty work and often it really doesn't cover the dealer's cost.
I agree with this statement as well. I've had some very great experiences (Like the one I 'm having now with my local Kia dealer who is part of a larger very reputable chain in the Boston area. They even hired the Honda Service manager from his store down the street to make sure the new Kia customers are having a good experience. The Service Manager is not seeing a fraction of a fraction of the types and volumes of issues this forum is seeing.
On the other hand I've had very bad experiences with Toyota and Nissan Dealers and Service Managers who were always more concerned about their margins rather than keeping a new customer satisfied.
Way back when I sold F&I and Service software to Dealers and I am still shocked as to how thin the operating margins were for the Dealers and the pressure on the Dealers to avoid honoring Warranty work as much as possible.
I spent months asking other Kia owners how the Sales and Service was at this Dealer before I bought my Kia. Last week I had a minor issue with one of the outside door panels coming out...the minute I mentioned it to the Service Manager, he asked me to see the car and fixed it right on the spot..very, very pleased with not only the car, but this Dealership as well...
Why would a one year old 2012 KIA Sorento with 9,800 miles having engine failure?
We bought a new 2012 Kia Sorento for our daughter in college in 08/2011. She put 9,800 miles on the car so far with all the normalized services being up to date. This Saturday 10/27/2012, she drove from Miami to Naple, and this car died on I-75! Thank the Lord that neither she nor her friend got hurt! She had it towed to Fuccillo Kia dealership in Cape Coral, FL. This dealership did the initial evaluation that day, but could not diagnosed the reason why the car died! Thus, my 20 year old daughter had to leave the car in the Cape Coral Kia dealership, and no one at this dealership offered to help her getting a loaner/ rental car through Kia warranty coverage! My daughter had to ask her friend to drive from Miami (an hour and 45 minutes away) to pick her up and bring her back to Miami that evening!
Of course, nothing was done on Sunday. On Monday, the Cape Coral Kia dealership had to ask that we should contact our Kia dealership in Clearwater to fax all the service records to them as all the Kia dealerships'service databases are separated with no connectivity or sharing capability among them. I called the National Kia Customer Service to ask for help as the Clerwater Kia dealership did not respond initially to our request. The toll-free National Kia Customer Service lady said that Kia National headquarter does not have any data on services at any of their dealerships, but she gave me a case # and her extension to call back or communication, which I thought initially as being very nice and helpful ( I even did a survey for her and gave her high marks!)
I have to call the Clearwater Kia dealership's service manager to ask for help in faxing the service records to the Cape Coral Kia dealership to finally getting this done. After reviewing the well documented 3 services (on 08/11/11, 1/13/2012, and 06/11/2012), the Cape Coral Kia dealership agreed that we have had the car well-maintained by a Kia dealership during our short ownership, but th engine died fro unknown reason. The service manager there suggested that they will have to rebuilt the engine! We asked if this issue had been reported on other Kia Sorentos, and he replied that he does not or aware of any national recall nor issue with the Kia Sorento having premature engine failure. We asked that the engine should be replaced with a new engine from Kia factory in the Atlanta, Georgia plant in USA, rather from a rebuilt engine. The manager said that he will try to request for that. We requested that while the car being serviced under a Kia warranty-issue if my daughter could get a rental or loaner car for her to get to class at college. The dealership reported that they could do a rental car up to $30/day coverage only. However, since our daughter is 20 yo, she could not rent the car from any rental companies! The dealership insisted that they have no loaner car available for her to use! I called the Kia toll-free national customer service four times (twice on Monday 10/29/12 and twice on Tuesday 10/30/2012) using the previously given extension # to the service lady, Melinda. I was not able to get in touch with her either time, and upon calling back other customer service agents reviewed our case #, reporting that nothing was in our case report! So why created a case # and giving me an extension #!?
At this time, we are waiting for Kia's decisions to replace the engine, and to consider helping our daughter a way to get back from Miami to Cape Coral!
With this occurence of the failed engine on a new 2012 Kia Sorento with 9,800 miles after one year of ownership, I have to say that I am very disappointed in this car and with the above service issues from Kia National Customer Service Center! Thus, I would NOT recommend this car nor this car company to anyone at this time! Hopefully, this automotive company will learn to improve their quality and service in the future!
Probably a manufacturing defect. It happens now and then, even to Rolls Royces and Ferraris. That's what warranties are for, to take care of completely unanticipated defects.
If you genuinely believe that these engines are defective, then you'd probably want them to rebuild the old one, rather than take a new one.
Of course, I haven't seen the damage, so I have no idea what actually happened. It could have been as simple as an unseen water or oil leak that destroyed a perfectly good engine.
We'd need more details to comment more intelligently, but keep us informed!
I agree with Mr_Shiftright if you had more info on what happened, did the lights on the dash come on, or, did the car die flat out with nothing. A rebuild and/or replace of an engine seems a bit extreme for a vehicle with only 9800 miles on it. They should have been able to diagnose an existing condition as to why the engine failed.
I always keep my service records in the car and a copy at home (I am anal-retentive, but, if there are ever any questions, I have everything available)
I would check all the service records also, they could have applied an update that could have screwed things up.
After a year of owning my Sorento, there was an update that was applied that was causing mine to jerk. Brought it back to the dealer and it turns out it was an update that changed the transmission pressure. The dealer reset it to factory specs, then all was well. Even the cpu updates could have caused something.
No light notification at all. The car sputtered n died on the side of I-75 as our daughter pulled over to the side! She kept the maintenance papers in the glove compartment of the car. When the KIA dealership in Cape Coral asked for them, we told them that the maintenance papers were in the glove compartment, but they said that those were not enough! They wanted the KIA dealership in Clearwater where we live and where our daughter had the car serviced, to fax the papers to them! I felt this request was done as a barrier to get the car repaired so I call the KIA Toll Free Customer Service for help! However, this national service desk was not helpful at all! I still have not had any return call from the KIA Toll Free National Customer Service despite my calls n left 2 messages with the assigned agent! The other customer service agents would say they were not responsible for our case number, and when they look into our case number's file, it was blanked - nothing in it!!!
Update: on Friday 11/02/2012, our daughter left Miami and came back to the Cape Coral KIA dealership on her own to pick up her car - by catching a ride from a friend as the dealership would not send her a courtesy car nor pay for a cab, even though she could not rent a car as she is only 20 years old! (The dealership did offer to let her rent a car through Enterprise at max. $30/day, but she could not get this as Enterprise and all the other rental cars required the rental member to be at least 25 yo! We explained this matter to the KIA Cape Coral dealership, and they said that they would not help our daughter to obtain any ways of transportation back from Miami to their location in Cape Coral!)
Anyway, they said that they put a new engine into our daughter car, and she drove the car back to Miami without incident. However, our daughter called us today, Saturday 11/03/2012, reporting that her "Check Engine" light came on! Thus, we will have the car to be checked out next week by a Miami KIA dealership.
With this experience, I will NOT purchase another KIA anytime soon! I will not recommend KIA to anyone either!
scoutyjones2 Posts: 6Yes...minor. I just bought a used one (8K miles on it) and turned the Sirius Sat on from a subscription leftover from my previous car. The reception is horrible and drops, and or searches, many times during any ride. I had Sirius on my previous vehicle for 5 years and only lost reception in garages and under gas station roofs during fill ups. This car loses it constantly on city streets, neighborhoods, freeways...I will take it in when I have a chance. Hopefully it will get corrected. I read others having issues with only one person having the dealer find an "open connector in the antena" being the corrective action. I will update when I take it in and see what they tell me...Otherwise, I love the vehicle!
WOW! Sorry to hear that you went through so much trouble.
I have to question the dealership that you had the repairs done in. It is very rare that an engine will fail so quickly and then to get a check engine right after the repair.
I am hoping that the problem gets resolved and your daughter won't have anymore future issues.
I was trying to figure what would have caused the engine to fail. Usually it would be a part of the engine due to other problems, like an oil leak, etc. For the diagnosis to be that the engine died is a little scary.
The check engine light could be coming on if they didn't match the engine serial series to the transmission serial series. When she gets it back to the original dealer, have them check that out.
You were right - The KIA dealership in Miami reported that the reason for the "check engine" light coming on, was because the existing oil cap was not compatible with the new engine so we have to wait for about one week for the new oil cap to be arrived from the plant in Atlanta, GA!
Still no word from the KIA National Customer Service yet on why the engine failed!
lwsbkr Posts: 1Hello neveragain272...
I would like to know about what happened because it sounds like the exact same thing just recurred to me again last night on the side of the 400-series hwy up here in Ontario, Canada.
Would you be kind enough to share more details about the sequence of events that happened to the Sorento with me (us)?
I too am getting the corporate line towing from the service dept. However, I will deal with that aspect at a later date, right now I just need to get the darn vehicle fixed so I can return to work tomorrow.
Many thanks! L.
Hi L.,
To this date, we have not heard from Kia about why the engine failed! KIA just replaced the engine and send us away! I think that KIA is trying to hush it up so no recall would be done!
I need to report it to the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to be included in a national database!
Good luck.
kingedwardi Posts: 1I have mixed feelings about KIA. My father has had three different ones. Two vans and one of the luxury cars. While he had minimal issues with his my former mother in law had the wagon, (Rio I think). At about 99,900 miles she started getting a noise in the engines or transmission. She took it to the dealer in Duluth, Mn., (40 mls from home). They changed the tranny fluid, filter at charge and sent her on her way. Two days later, just over 100,000 mls the transmission failed completely. Needless to say they didn't want to repair it under warranty, but offered a good deal on a newer KIA. Well she scrapped it and bought another brand.
Just found out my 2007 Sorento threw a rod, i.e. new engine needed. 105K miles, 5K over their infamous 10/100K warranty. Had all the regular maintenance performed at their over-priced dealership service centers. Now, a paid off car, worth roughly 7K (according to Edmunds) is now a worthless pile of crap.
Kiss my a$$ Kia.
Thank you for allowing me to vent.
"Well she scrapped it and bought another brand."
Good for her, she made the right decision.
eanton Posts: 1You are a genius! Your reset procedure seemed too bizarre to actually work, but I tried it anyway since I had nothing to lose. Worked like a charm (although with the EX model I had to shut the drivers door in order for the door lock to operate). I also allowed 30 seconds for the "Body Controller" to fully power down before I started the vehicle back up.
I bought a new 2013 Kia Sorrento on Sept 2012. From day one, the ECO System has not worked causing the transmission to kick while shifting to second gear. This also causes the MPG to be even lower than listed by KIA America.
I took videos and had a Service Manager ride along experiencing the same problems which he acknowledge. I have left the car with the dealer for over 15 days and they tell me that they are not able to recreate the problem in order to repair it.
I contact Kia America and after sometime they also told me the dealer is not able to recreate the issue. I told Kia America of the videos I had shown all the mechanic and how the Service Managers had ridden and experience the issues with me in the car. Again their excuse is that they can't recreate the problem. Needless to say my car now has over 22K miles and the Lemon Law in the state I live will not apply.
These problems continue and in addition, now the steering wheel is peeling as well.
Can anyone suggest how I can get these items repaired under the warranty?
Lemon law likely isn't your only "legal" remedy, but a lemon lawyer could advise you on that. You can also complain to your local consumer protection agency or attorney general's office.
I have already spoken and written the Sate Consumer people. I am truly trying to avoid hiring a lawyer.
What you might want to do is see if they ever did the transmission pressure update. On the V6 models, it causes a "kick" at start and 2nd gear. I had the same issue, the dealer wasn't able to recreate it, so the service department took a chance and reset the transmission pressure update and that solved the problem. The ECO System may be an unrelated issue. Without the ECO system on, yo are only getting 15 mpg if you have the V6. Have the transmission pressure checked first and have them reset to factory specs, as opposed to the update. That might fix both issues.
Can't blame you. :-) You might get some more ideas from the How to Effectively Complain about your Car Problem discussion.


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He's so delusional he's blaming another man being injury prone on melo haha. That was the nail that took away all your credibility... can we ban him for stupidity
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Kiya isnt a knicks fan, he is an anti-fan. Look it up
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If Barg's is playing poorly he'll be able to get in 10 pts a night.
If he's on, look for 20-25 pts.
If he's healthy he can maybe give you 10-20 for the entire season and that's already a very positive sign in the offense.
Superior how?
Detroit's front court ****s on us.
Josh Smith/Greg Monroe/Drummond >>> Melo/Stat/Chandler
We're a gimmick team, make the playoffs and get exposed. So are the Pistons. We're on the same boat. We don't have a team built for a championship.
Explain clearly how the Knicks improved these two basketball components with the addition of Andrea Bargnani.
adding more talent doesn't equate to winning.
understand that.
Knicks have glaring weaknesses...that haven't been addressed.
Andrea Bargnani
Tim Hardaway Jr.
CJ Lelsie...
not ball movers.
not defenders.
Knicks didn't improve, and if you think they did because they dropped crap for a streaky inefficient 7 footer then you need to recharge your mind.
This is obvious. They clutter the offense and kill ball movement. Having them on the same team was mindless.
I rather dead STAT than Melo. Melo is a top 5 talent easily, as good as Kevin Durant.
STAT is a shade of his former self...not as confident and mean as he use to be on offense. Very soft on defense. Atleast Melo is physical at times, even though Melo does show softness often on the defensive end.
I think alot of the defensive and rebounding problems we had last season was due to Woodson's rotation. He gave Camby no burn, whatsoever and Chandler was hurt and trying to hold **** down by himself. Kmart came in and defense improved.
If we get KMart and can keep him healthy as well as pick up MWP, then our D will be fine....hopefully MWP plays better D then he did last year...His defensive numbers were similar to Melo's last year (could be the i don't want to play for D'Antoni factor though)
Was reading that beat writers in MIL feel a S+T for Brandon Jennings is "inevitable," and that they will be looking for a "starting caliber PG" in return.
How about S+T, Felton/Bargnani/Draft Pick for Jennings??
Knicksnonsence .... If u wasnt a daily member in KO I wouldve snatched ur self-esteem so fast u would b sittin on da corner wearin a size to small shorts n Don King hair-do.
Some Melo history ....
Recall the season the Denver Nuggets sign Nene to a 5 yr $50M contract, at the time they had Camby & K-Mart on their roster (a win-win bigman frontcourt) Nene became injured the first 2 season of that contract. then K-Mart became injured for two seasons, when Nene became healthy after 2 injury seasons the Nuggets traded the NBA top-3 rebounder n shotblocker Marcus Camby for nothin in return to the Clippers .. bc Camby made a comment during the postseason about a (40 minute) Mello lack of defense in a first round SWEEP by Lakers.


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JACKSON — Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves leads other Mississippi statewide elected official with campaign cash.
The Clarion-Ledger reports Reeves had $853,571 in his campaign as of Jan. 31, according to records in the secretary of state's office.
Reeves was elected lieutenant governor in 2011 after two terms as state treasurer.
Records show Gov. Phil Bryant ended the year with $606,058 cash on hand.
Reports from other statewide officeholders show:
— Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann finished the year with $407,375 cash.
— State Treasurer Lynn Fitch had $25,169.
— Insurance Commissioner Mike Chaney had $100,565.
— Attorney General Jim Hood ended the year with $67,732.
— Auditor Stacey Pickering had $63,478 cash on hand.
— Agriculture Commissioner Cindy Hyde-Smith had $33,464 cash on hand.


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Texas A&M has turned to the NCAA in hope of using a 17-year-old rules interpretation on the organization's books to prevent the Longhorn Network from airing high school football games.
CBSSports.com reported tonight that it had obtained documents showing that A&M wants the Longhorn Network to be classified as an "institutional publication," as defined under bylaw 18.104.22.168. As such, that would make the network an "athletics representative of the institution" and _ theoretically _ would prohibit the airing of high school games.
If the same standard is not applied to the network, A&M officials said in the document, "the NCAA, in allowing institutions to create video-based publication agreements without any restriction on content, is opening Pandora's box."
Big 12 athletic directors are scheduled to discuss the implications of the Longhorn Network and future institutional networks at a meeting Monday. NCAA officials have called an Aug. 22 meeting, which Texas officials will attend, to discuss the topic. Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe and Texas men's athletic director DeLoss Dodds have said plans to broadcast high school games are on hold until the situation is resolved by the NCAA.
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Hi all, I have been making pies now for about a month and I really fell in love with it. The website really is a wonderful resource with a lot of great and kind people. So here is my problem, I am making NY style pies 16" to be exact and am baking on a screen. I have a whirpool oven and am using the second rack up from the lowest slot. I set the oven to 475-500F and allow about 30 min of preheat. I havent yet actually measured the temp of the oven, I just go by the display and wait until it reaches 471-500 for a few minutes. My formula is All trumps 100%Water 62%Salt 2%IDY .5%Mixed with KACold ferment varies from 12-48 hrsset a room temp for 30 minWhen I bake I never get that crispy crust that I hope for and I believe I am taking the pie out prematurely in fear of burning the cheese and toppings. It makes me nervous to see the cheese begin to "boil". My crust never has a golden brown look and I know I can add sugar but that still wont help with the crunch or crispiness. As you notice in one of the picture the slice flops over pretty easily. I am baking for an estimation of 10 min. Another question I have is burning the cheese. I am using low moisture part skim motz (italiano surpremo I believe). Like I stated before when I see the cheese begin to bubble it making me nervous. How do I know the cheese is burning? Should I go strictly off of its color?Should I use a higher temp? My oven goes up to 525.Should I place the rack on the lowest setting?Right now I currently do not have a stone or steel.
Wow Scott123, that's a great price on the corderite, I filed that away for future referrence. 18" x18" is hard to find and exactly what is needed for "true" NY style!
If you only have one, make it wood. Metal, especially solid metal (without holes) can be tricky to work with. I like wood for delivery of the pie, and a thinner metal peel for pie extraction.
Camaro10, these are the same material as commercial bake stones and are less expensive, thicker (better) and have a larger surface area than typical commercial stones, allowing for larger pizzashttp://www.axner.com/cordierite-shelf-16x16x34square.aspxhttp://www.axner.com/cordierite-shelf-18x18x1square.aspxIf you're happy with crispy pizza and feel that you'll always lean in that direction, then a cordierite stone (such as these) is probably a good fit for you, but, if you think you ever might want to try something a bit softer/puffier, then I recommend 1/2" steel. The advantage of steel is that, when the temperature is turned down a bit, it can match the results of any baking stone, but, when you turn the heat up and use the broiler, you can get even faster bake times. Some of the members of the forum feel these faster bakes are pretty spectacular (but the results are generally not too terribly crispy).


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After more than a year of excitement and anticipation, the first-ever season of lacrosse at Beloit kicked off a few weeks ago. Though they have yet to score their first victories, both the men's and women's teams have played some very close games.
The men's team, for instance, was narrowly defeated by Fontbonne University 10-8, Transylvania University 10-9, and Oglethorpe University 9-8.
The women's team lost their first game 16-6 against Alma College earlier this month, but the Bucs showed determination and drive throughout the game even scoring four goals in the final seven minutes.
Next up the men's and women's lacrosse teams play on Wednesday against Benedictine University and Loras College, respectively. The men's team will play at 7 p.m. in Lisle, Ill., and the women's team will play at 6 p.m. at home.


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Since bursting onto the scene at Oklahoma's camp in July of 2010 Sooner fans have had their eyes fixed on adding Rivals100 linebacker Brian Nance to their 2012 class. Since then a pair of Euless (Texas) Trinity Trojans have joined the Sooners ranks as Nila Kasitati is currently on the Sooner roster and Polo Manukainiu made his pledge to the Sooners last week.
Interestingly the 6-foot-3, 210-pound prospect considered joining Manukainiu on the Sooner commitment list on the same night the big defensive end made his choice.
"Actually, when Polo told me he was committing I was really excited because they were high on my list and I was thinking I wasn't the only one going over there," Nance said. "Because I've got a couple of friends going there for some other sports as well.
"I couldn't reach them that night or the next day and I kind of thought about it and maybe I don't want to commit early, but they are high on my board."
Many will wonder how it was that Oklahoma couldn't pick up the phone with the nation's No. 86 overall player was thinking of committing but there have been some conversations that the talented linebacker has some work to do in the classroom. He admits that there are still some hills to climb but says to date he is doing everything in his power to get things right.
"I went to summer school to make up for some earlier issues but right now it's going good, it's all working out and I try and keep that in mind from beginning to end. I'm just trying to get my grades straight, it was a factor at first for a lot of recruiters- I had a low GPA. But now, I'm going right and think I'm in good shape," he said.
Whatever went wrong about Nance's potential commitment he says he was excited for his teammate and now the Sooners are among a top three along with Baylor and USC. He seems now set on taking all five of his official visits and the Sooners, Trojans, and Bears seem set to receiver three of them. But what about the other two?
"I was happy that Polo committed, it just made me change my mind about a lot of other schools. I haven't been to a lot of places and I want to see some other schools," he said.
"I'm going to go to - well I've still got my three - OU, Baylor, and USC. Then Tennessee, Arizona, and Nebraska. I'm going to visit two of those three as well. I'm going to try and figure it out and have it worked out in October."
The Dallas-Fort Worth native has an idea of what he is looking for at the various schools he will visit and says that it's going to be a social decision as much as a football one.
"My thing with on choosing schools is I like me being in a city area, I don't want to feel like I'm out in the country, you know just a dead area, and that's going to be a factor," Nance said. "Academic wise will they help me? Football won't last forever, and I've got to have a plan and I also want to look at the depth chart."
The depth chart isn't something Nance has had to worry about at Trinity for some time due in part not only to his talent but also an injury suffered in the spring. He, along with Manukainiu, has missed Trinity's first three games of the year but both are set to return this weekend as the Trojans start to gear up for another massive season.
"I started practicing last week and I play Friday night against Irving. We are going to get out there on the same weekend, we're getting all our players back," he explained.
"Yeah, it feels good, everybody wants to go back to state, that's our main goal but we aren't thinking about that right now. We've got to earn that right to get back to state."


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In its Opinion of July 1993, the Commission considered that Cyprus's accession should not raise any particular problems in the area of social affairs. The social situation today is comparable to that in the other Member States. The November 1998 Report noted the progress made in transposition of Community law, but it also pointed out that further work was necessary, notably in the areas of labour law and health and safety at work.
In November 2000, the Commission Report noted that certain progress had been made in the area of social affairs. The areas of equal treatment and labour law in particular were now much closer to the Acquis.
The Treaty of Accession was signed on 16 April 2003 and accession took place on 1 May 2004.
In the social affairs field, apart from the various specific action programmes, such as those in the area of public health, and the European Social Fund, EU legislation covers health and safety at work, labour law and working conditions, equal opportunities for men and women, coordination of social security schemes for migrant workers, and tobacco products.
In all these areas, EU social legislation lays down minimum requirements, with safeguard clauses for the most advanced Member States.
In addition, the consultation of the social partners and the social dialogue at European level are enshrined in Articles 138 and 139 of the Treaty (ex-Articles 118a and 118b).
The employment situation is satisfactory. The unemployment rate -- about 3% -- is low, compared to the European average. Job creation programmes have been drawn up and adopted in the context of the Government's economic development plans. The main objectives include encouraging better use of human resources in conditions of full employment.
Cyprus is currently harmonising its labour law with that of the EU, but an extra effort is needed if the provisions of the important Directives are to be incorporated. In June 2000, two laws on worker information and the preservation of workers' rights in the event of transfers of enterprises or establishments were adopted. The amended European Social Charter was ratified in September 2000. The main EU provisions concerning equality of opportunity between men and women have already been transposed. A general non-discrimination clause guarantees equal access to work. Legislation is being drafted on parental leave, equal treatment between men and women and the combating of indirect discrimination.
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Front Range > Mount Parnassus > Climber's Log
Mount Parnassus Climber's Log
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|Parnassus to Woods
Date Climbed: Oct 16, 2011
|Fast and quick hike sunday morning from Denver.
2nd time February 20, 2016
|Posted Oct 16, 2011 8:54 pm
|Via Watrous Gulch
Date Climbed: Aug 25, 2011
|Very nice hike but I did not realize how steep the last part of the climb was once you reach treeline. Still worth it because of the great views and I did not see anybody on the trail all day until I got back to Herman Gulch trailhead.
|Posted Aug 27, 2011 12:40 am
|Matt Lemke
|From Bakerville exit
Date Climbed: Jan 4, 2010
|An anomaly! Weather was 60 degrees, sunny and calm...in January!
Hiked up the trail and climbed right up the wind blown west slopes to Parnassus and traversed to Bard. Ridge was also clear of snow.
My first trip of the decade.
|Posted Dec 20, 2010 3:59 pm
|Jeremy Hakes
|Long basin hike
Date Climbed: Oct 2, 2010
|Good loop.
|Posted Oct 3, 2010 1:53 pm
|Gorgeous Day
Date Climbed: Aug 29, 2010
|Climbed the Northwest route with my wife and 8 and 9 year old boys. Nice and steep until the ridge. Ate lunch at the top. Saw a herd of wild mountain goats, very cool. Took the trail back down to Herman Gulch. Round trip about 5 hours total.
|Posted Aug 30, 2010 12:37 pm
|Watrous Gulch Approach
Date Climbed: Jan 17, 2009
|Went with a CMC group. Good times.
|Posted May 8, 2010 1:46 pm
|three mountains in a day
Date Climbed: Jul 30, 2005
|This was part of a mountain trio that I climbed this day...Machebeuf, Woods and Parnassus.
|Posted Sep 17, 2009 7:07 pm
|Watrous Gulch Loop
Date Climbed: Jun 15, 2009
|Rkmtn and I made it a 3-fer with Parnassus. My Denali acclimation made this a nice, but steep, hike.
Watrous Gulch Variation 30 July 2005
A very direct route. The slope is steep but fairly easy to pick a path as its mostly grass and soil instead of talus and scree. A great route for an outdoor stairsteper workout.
Due the steepness I came down via the valley between Bard and Parnassus and then picked up the Bard trail back to the TH thus circumnavigating around the mountain.
|Posted Jun 15, 2009 10:29 am
|Watrous Gulch Loop
Date Climbed: Jun 14, 2009
|Headed up with Haliku from Woods after hitting point 12,805' (aka Machebeuf). Enjoyed the views, the company, and the quick descent. Great day in the mountains!
|Posted Jun 14, 2009 10:27 pm
|Waltrous Gulch
Date Climbed: Oct 25, 2008
|W/Wood on an extremely windy day!
|Posted Nov 2, 2008 8:24 pm
|Pete Castricone
|with Bard Peak
Date Climbed: Sep 10, 2008
|Started from Exit 218 at 10:15 am. Raced up Watrous Gulch to beat the predicted afternoon storm and reached Parnassus at 12:25 pm. Considered my escape options before heading to Bard Peak. Ended up running to Bard's summit as a white cloud buried Woods and Parnassus. I stood on Bard for one minute, ran over to its east summit as the flurries came in, then started a direct descent down one of the basins and into the trees. Using my trusty compass and some very faint trail remnants, I ended up at Bakersville (exit 221) and had to walk 3 miles up I-70. I completely avoided the storm, but I would rather have gotten a little cold and wet than walk up I-70 uphill into a headwind! Back to my car at 3:45 pm.
|Posted Sep 11, 2008 11:14 am
|Sarah Simon
|Watrous Gulch
Date Climbed: Jul 12, 2008
|We took the Stairstepper of Doom (southwest ridge) to the summit and descended via the saddle with woods. Great day, no weather threat, but the haze from the California wildfires cut the views considerably. Hiking partners: Rico's CMC outing.
|Posted Jul 13, 2008 10:25 am
|Watrous Gulch
Date Climbed: Jun 29, 2008
|A nice place to be on a great day! A steep one, not much trail above treeline, decent terrain though. Over to Bard from here, descended down the valley between the two, all the way down to I-70. Had to hike a couple miles along the highway to get back to the Herman Gulch TH, which was not nearly as bad as I had imagined. Very few other people on these peaks for a Sunday in summer.
|Posted Jun 30, 2008 12:25 pm
|Jeremy Hakes
|Cold, windy, snowy
|Not a pleasant place to be in horrendous wind.
|Posted Apr 22, 2008 11:43 am
|Watrous Gulch / Ruby Creek
Date Climbed: Dec 15, 2006
|12/15/06 - From Watrous Gulch. Parnassus, Bard & Woods make a reasonable hike nearly any time of the year.
1/6/16 - Winter loop over Woods, Parnassus, Bard, Robeson & Engelmann from Ruby Creek.
|Posted Apr 14, 2008 11:11 am
|Herman Gulch TH
Date Climbed: Sep 1, 2002
|We first climbed Parnassus from the Herman Gulch trailhead, then over to Bard. For the return we dropped down to a trail that stays on the I-70 side of the mountain until it gets back to Watrous Gulch. We returned to Parnassus (without Bard) on 9-16-06, 12-9-06 & 12-16-06, for it's easy access as a training hike.
|Posted Mar 19, 2008 9:43 pm
|Parnassus to Woods
Date Climbed: Jun 17, 2007
|Dog and I. Also grabbed Woods.
|Posted Dec 28, 2007 6:17 pm
|Steven Cross
|Good hike before work
Date Climbed: Jul 7, 2007
|Beautiful day to escape the heat for a few hours. Was a bit chilly on top. Rushed down to get to work by 3:20pm.
|Posted Jul 7, 2007 9:59 pm
|quick outing
Date Climbed: Aug 24, 2000
|nice quick little outing from Denver
|Posted Jul 6, 2007 5:04 pm
|Chad Couch
|Watrous Gulch
Date Climbed: Jun 23, 2007
|Left trailhead at 7:10, reached summit at 9:45. Beautiful hike, not much of a trail up to the saddle. Just make your own way.
|Posted Jun 24, 2007 1:10 pm


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U.S. National Parks > Joshua Tree National Park > Headstone Rock > Climber's Log
Headstone Rock Climber's Log
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|Awesome exposure
Date Climbed: Dec 19, 2014
|Followed Cryptic. Lead SW corner. With Joe, Anh, and Mike
|Posted Dec 21, 2014 1:48 am
|Cryptic & SW corner
Date Climbed: Mar 1, 2008
|Great routes! SW corner makes a fun night climb
|Posted Oct 29, 2013 1:42 am
|Vic Hanson
|Nice view
Date Climbed: Apr 21, 2012
|Climbed the SW corner with a couple that I let share my camping spot at Ryan, was my first rock climbing in years. Rappelled down the back side and then went and climbed at Atlantis.
|Posted Apr 30, 2012 12:27 am
|Dow Williams
Date Climbed: Jan 30, 2012
|With Jason. Short and easy, gets early morning sun.
|Posted Feb 1, 2012 1:22 pm
Date Climbed: Feb 15, 2010
|First outdoor lead. Amazing climb!
|Posted Jun 12, 2011 9:28 am
|SW Corner
Date Climbed: Nov 14, 2010
|Followed Justing -- nice cool down climb in the afternoon before driving home. Clear but windy autumn day.
|Posted Nov 15, 2010 10:00 am
|SW Corner
Date Climbed: Nov 22, 2009
|First bolted lead! Wow!
|Posted Nov 23, 2009 4:49 pm
|chugach mtn boy
|SW Corner
|Fun climb with an view from the top that's so much like another world that you think a dinosaur might wander out onto the landscape.
|Posted Oct 24, 2009 5:15 pm
|5.6 corner
Date Climbed: Sep 27, 2009
|Climbed on a hot September morning. I'm definitely coming back for this one.
|Posted Oct 3, 2009 1:20 pm
|Best Views
|one of my favorites in Josh. Cryptic is my wifes all time favorite. I like to climb it just as the sun is setting. Awesome views. Also fun to climb at night without lights.
|Posted Mar 18, 2009 12:39 am
|First night at Josh
Date Climbed: Oct 15, 2008
|Second 2 sport routes by headlamp. Flew in to Palm springs and drove to Josh. Met up with the "Mayor" Todd Gordon and climbed 2 routes with him and the Hummerchine. Sat on top and chilled out. Was fun.
|Posted Oct 24, 2008 1:01 pm
|My first climb at J Tree, 1980, A1 bolt ladder
Date Climbed: Mar 5, 1980
|On our first trip to J Tree in 1980, Miguel Carmona and I climbed the (later chopped) A1 bolt ladder on the Headstone Rock facing the access road. The bolt ladder was put up in the early 1960s, way before J Tree was on anyone's radar and I guess, some people just could not leave things as they were and chopped the bolts in the late 80s only to drill new ones protecting their 5.13 free masterpiece. In the early days, there were several of these bolt ladders in J Tree, a good aid practice.
|Posted Oct 8, 2008 2:44 pm
|corner 5.6
Date Climbed: Mar 23, 2008
|my first rock climb - scary!
|Posted Jun 29, 2008 1:38 am
|Fav Rock in Sheeps Pass area
|Climbed the Corner 5.6 and Cryptic 5.8 many times. Super fun routes that we hit everytime we go to J-Tree. We usually camp in Ryan Campground and do the corner in the moonlight around 11pm. Super fun a night!
|Posted Feb 7, 2008 1:49 pm
Date Climbed: Mar 14, 2005
|Did all three routes on this classic stone. The top offers lovely views of the surrounding rock formations. Careful on the 5.6 corner though, if you don't make the first bolt you'll take a pretty nasty drop into the rocks below!
|Posted Dec 29, 2007 5:00 pm
|Fun climb; it feels real airy due to the position on the rock pile.
|Posted Jan 12, 2007 4:58 am
Date Climbed: Dec 26, 2006
|I brought my husband up this face route. Really neat.
|Posted Jan 11, 2007 11:18 pm
|I can't believe I'm the first one to sign this. I know lots of you out there have climbed this rock. It's almost irresistible sitting up there beggging to be climbed!
|Posted Sep 20, 2006 4:57 pm


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