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In the next Atheist Experience episode, we'll explore yet another failure of Christianity: the Catholic Church pedophilia scandal. Consider this post an open thread for comments.
In the next Atheist Experience episode, we'll explore yet another failure of Christianity: the Catholic Church pedophilia scandal. Consider this post an open thread for comments.
gwen says
It is not just an astounding failure to protect children, it is the work put forth to protect and hide the abuser. The deeper you look into the matter, the more difficult it is not to accept that this has been going on since the founding of the church, it is such an ingrained culture. There are 19th century abuses coming to light in Australia, I cannot believe it is an isolated incident. Alaska has villiages where everyone has been a victim of sexual abuse for generations, preyed upon by the church. The law has spent a long time looking the other way, and I cannot believe priests are not mandatory reporters. How in the hell did that happen?
King of New Hampshire says
I hope the episode isn't just another joke fest or bash party on the Catholic church. That's getting a little old.
I'm not defending the Vatican. Raping children is, horrifically, only one of their many crimes against humanity and not the worst. Imagine that! Raping children is not the worst thing they've done. But we're getting no where going on about how evil the church is.
Obviously, Pope Ratzy isn't going to do a damn thing willingly, and most of the world's governments are in shock that Ireland's PM dared to say, "No sir, I don't like it." That's the extent of the authorities' actions against the Vatican, if I'm not mistaken. A few raids on smaller churches, sure, but nothing against the Vatican. No, I'm afraid that the leaders of planet earth are too busy hiding their own skeletons to denounce child buggering. At least, I hope it's a conspiracy to turn a blind eye, because the alternative is that our world leaders find nothing wrong with raping children.
I'm afraid it's up to those of us with the magic super-power of "thought" to do something. But that means we can't just wave our hand and go, "Well, that's what happens when you let religion have it's way. Rape and incest." One, it's not helpful, and two, it's damn stupid. Religion does not equal sexual predation. Authority does not lead to rape. Unquestioning, dogmatic, brain washed, fear for the soul authority can exist without anybody losing their underpants. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but the two are not inextricably linked.
I think we need to find out why this happened, how this happened, and how to prevent it from happening again. The Catholic church is founded on lies, sure, but it's not founded on getting old guys hooked up with little boys.
Since we know that the church isn't really getting messages from any deity, we know that this was just a group of people looking out for their own self interest. That's hardly an excuse for the Vatican, but it does mean that if we don't figure out what happened and why, and if we don't accept this as a human failing rather than just Christian… well, there are many other organizations out there with a keen eye for their own self interests.
Das Boese says
Okay the episode hasn't aired yet, still I'm gonna throw in my 2 cents.
Sadly it's not just a failure of religious institutions, but in many cases a spectacular failure of government, in countries all across the globe. What's worse, it's still going on right now. Both in the countries where these things have been uncovered, where the church and its lackeys are doing their best to claim that it's isolated incidents and not endemic to their culture, as well as in countries unaffected so far, where there seems to be little interest by politics, media or law enforcement to investigate the possibility that this is indeed a widespread, global issue.
It's definitely like that here in Germany, maybe viewers/readers from other countries could offer additional perspectives?
kingofnothing says
@king of new Hampshire
"I hope the episode isn't just another joke fest or bash party on the Catholic church. That's getting a little old."
the catholic has not and can never be bashed enough. any person that still claims to be a member should be ashamed to be a part the catholic church.
Maybe as an organization they are too powerful to have any real punishment, but we can never let them forget that we are aware of their actions.
Mr. Dave says
I think the Catholic church has long since spent all of its good will capital defending against the never ceasing and ever increasing allegations of its terrible, predatory conduct upon children by twisted, perverted, so-called men of god and we owe them nothing but to punish the institution for its transgressions. We show little tolerance for actions of this type by any other person in society and I cannot see where these people deserve any special favor or protection. They should be yanked from the pulpit, taken to jail and charged just the same as anyone else without hesitation and those guilty of hiding them subjected to the same. It is time for the kid gloves to come off and the iron hand of justice to deliver the punishment this scum needs to learn that they are not so morally lofty that they exist above the laws they preach to every one else. These people hope daily that we will become bored with these accusations because they are so commonplace now and that we become as callous as they are to the pain and suffering they cause. I say we should deliver pain and suffering to them and show them that their fairytale god is no shield against reality.
Das Boese says
Calling out the catholic church for their institutionalized transgressions against humanity never "gets old", nor should it.
Let's not pretend that systematically enabling and protecting vile pedophiles is the only problem with the church. It's merely the worst in a veritable panoply of criminal activities and immoral actions that they continue to get away with.
Jdog says
I think it's generally accepted that it happens because the Catholic church mandates celibacy for its employees. Some of the priests may have entered the priesthood in order to control their immoral urges, others may have developed them over a lifetime spent suppressing their normal urges, and both categories surely attempted to lean upon an unproven entity for support.
I don't think the "oh no, not again" comment is valid. If you're arguing that it's getting old because the show has covered it before, then that's because the show isn't catering to a long-term atheist audience (we're mainly here for the fireworks and maybe to pick up some good counter-apologetics); they're trying to attract theistic callers (who are probably not regular viewers of the show). Also, looking back through the archives, I've only seen one other episode in the last 3 years that comes close to being directly about this topic: #685, on Religion and Sex, with guest host Darrel Ray. If you're arguing that it's getting old because everyone does it or because you personally feel it amounts to hand-waving, then you promote the risk of letting it get pushed under the carpet again. For example, just because the Chinese government commits human rights abuses and most of us cannot directly do anything about it doesn't mean we should stop calling them out on it.
Ultimately, saying "stop bashing the Catholic church", regardless of the way you want to spin it, is an endorsement of 'suffering in silence'. It's not productive.
MegaZeusThor says
I hope we see some analysis. What are the ingredients and conditions that have cause this horrible situation? ("Celibacy", trust, authority to start). Should be a great and informative show.
sansdeity says
No, no, no, no! Do not link celibacy with wanting to have sex with children! If you, for whatever reason, found yourself celibate for any length of time, could you ever imagine yourself looking out of the corner of your eye at a child and thinking, ' well, its been a while…. maybe, just this once…..'? No, at least I hope not. Paedophilia is a sexuality you are born with, just like hetero- and homosexuality and has nothing to do with sexual activity per se. Your assertion that it happens because of enforced celibacy is dangerously wrong and is a huge red herring that totally misses the point and leaves children exposed to danger. To sum-up, paedophiles are definitely NOT just people who cannot find an adult to have sex with!!!!!!!!
AnneH says
The pedophilia is one of the many reasons why I've left the Catholic Church.
The lack of accountability, of consequences, has a lot to do with the Sacrament of Confession, and Absolution. If a Catholic confesses their sins to a priest, no matter how heinous, then *poof* it's automagically as if the rape (in this case) never happened. It's an easy out. They never have to make any amends to the scarred children or their families.
The Catholic hierarchy holds itself above the law.
JT (Generic) says
As usual, Caesar's call leaves me banging my head against my desk.
Bruce says
If, as suggested by Cesar, DNA is a language that is "read" by a mind for duplication, does a photocopier have a mind too?
JT (Generic) says
How is "I believe life only comes from life" scientific evidence?
King of New Hampshire says
Ultimately, saying "stop bashing the Catholic church", regardless of the way you want to spin it, is an endorsement of 'suffering in silence'. It's not productive.
And if I had indeed said such a thing, then you might have an argument. But I said no such thing. In fact, in the very next paragraph, I explain what I mean and explain that I do not wish in any way to defend the church.
Raping children is, horrifically, only one of their many crimes against humanity and not the worst. Imagine that! Raping children is not the worst thing they've done.
My point, clearly stated in my original post, is that only bashing the church is not going to get us anywhere. I'm sorry to come back at you so strongly, but I do not appreciate you putting words into my mouth and then using such imaginary text to attack me. It's rude and inconsiderate.
I think it's generally accepted that it happens because the Catholic church mandates celibacy for its employees.
I do not think this is generally accepted, though it is often rumored. Since, however, pedophilia is not limited to celibate sects, nor has it been shown to be any more prevalent, I have strong doubts. But just as correlation doesn't prove a cause, a lack of correlation doesn't always disqualify it either. I'd be interested in seeing your sources on this. It's the cover-ups and retention of pedophile priests that caused the issue, though; not an abnormally high percentage of such criminals.
jacobfromlost says
Even without the abiogenesis debate, all one has to do is ask if the materials living things are made of are the same or different from materials found in the environment.
The fact that they are the SAME should be enough to put the "life only comes from life" argument to bed. Sure, life comes from life structurally, but life doesn't exist without nonliving environmental materials. Can we live without water? No. Is water "alive"? No. But are living things fundamentally (ie, materially) different from the materials found in their environments? No. Therefore there is no mystery to be solved.
Once we start understanding what we mean when we say "alive", it becomes crystal clear that there is no magical element involved. We see no people walking and talking who have no element of water in their physical make up. We see no people walking and talking who have no brain, no heart, no blood. These things are all PHYSICAL, and they are all essential, to living things.
The fact that we value ourselves and our continued existence is a separate question from the fundamental reality that we are not SEPARATE from our environments, but part and parcel of it. We wouldn't live for long without oxygen, food, water, heat, or access to mates (who also continuously need oxygen, food, water, and heat) that allow us to procreate. There simply is no mystery here.
Life is not magic, and therefore does not logically necessitate magic to exist.
Orbital says
Just wanted to follow up on the caller Ex-Mormon Micheal.
He rung about his relationship with his current girlfriend whom he was wanting to marry, but her implicit condition was he had to recommit to her Mormon religion.
I thought it was missed, in the follow up discussion regarding the nature of praying and evidence of miracles, was his strong feelings for his girlfriend, and the pressure he might have been putting himself through to "make this work".
I got the sense from listening to this conversation that while happy in his atheism, he's willing to delude himself in order to develop/continue his relationship with his girlfriend.
Could this frame of mind be sufficient to make him experience things in prayer sessions.
Further to this pressure I also get the sense from his initial comments that his girlfriends Mormon faith is more important to her than her relationship to him.
This might have been the better approach to take, is his emotional feeling in the telephone prayer session is really sufficient to build a life of faith and sustain it through a long term marriage.
An interesting argument to follow is:
1.) Would have he been able to stop questioning his newly found faith (if he developed it) based on this feeling?
2.) Would he be able to maintain a Mormon faith despite already rejecting it earlier on in life?
3.) If he ended up married to his Mormon girlfriend would he lie and maintain a fake belief to maintain his marriage? Would he be happy doing so?
4.) Would his future wife maintain the relationship with him if he reverted back to atheism?
5.) The future of any children would also be an issue?
I know it sounds harsh, and I may be reading to much into his his statements about her not wanting to "marry outside the Mormon church", but i don't see much of a happy future in his relation with her.
If he wishes to pursue this relationship then perhaps a further discussion with a serious commitment from her to also review her Mormon faith might be in order. At least that way they both can compare "note" and possibly arrive at a mutual understanding that doesn't require Micheal to undermine his own identity.
laplace says
"Paedophilia is a sexuality you are born with, just like hetero- and homosexuality and has nothing to do with sexual activity per se."
Its a very modern USian view, and therefore – very likely to be mostly bullshit. The ancients clearly didnt think that way at all, and for them it was very much the actual activity, instead of some predisposition. Educate yourself on the Ancient Greece, Rome, hell, even China.
LP says
Man, I knew as soon as he opened his mouth, Caesar was back. That guy always sounds like Burt from Sesame Street on a handful of downers; there's no mistaking him.
He's had some good points in the past that have made me think he's pretty sharp in his way, but he really seemed like he was reaching this time. His points weren't anywhere near as ponderous as they've been before. DNA's not a language; it's an acidic catalyst. It isn't "information" because in order to be "information", something must necessarily "inform" something else: essentially, a mind of some kind. There's no "mind" involved in catalytically shaping proteins. Like Matt said, it's just what molecules do when their electrochemical properties are affected by those of other molecules. Is it complicated? Yes. Is it impressive? Yes. Is it proof there has to be a god? Not to me, since we see other chemicals doing the same thing naturally everywhere else.
AtheistSteve says
DNA isn't a language and Cesar is making at least 2 big errors.
First is complexity. Life emerged very early in Earths history, almost 4 billion years ago, and the first cells most likely had a very simple DNA structure compared to current biology after eons of evolution.
Second is an equivocation error. He is comparing DNA code to something like binary computer code. This leads him to an argument from design. Certainly binary code is designed and each bit is necessary and even critical. Even simple errors can crash a program and require debugging. But DNA has vast sections of "Junk" that don't code for anything or are vestigal. This would indicate that a designer "God" is a lousy debugger for leaving all this useless information whereas evolution "blindly" shuffling the bits accounts for this nicely.
JT (Generic) says
Even on a basic level, he's wrong about it being "scientific" though. The claim is unfalsifiable. You can't prove a negative (that it can't come from non-life).
He did that several times, where he just magically goes from assumption to conclusion.
jacobfromlost says
I absolutely agree with you. It isn't scientific. I was just pointing out that this approach from theists often leads to debates about abiogenesis, which are pointless in the face of obvious evidence around us. The implications the theist seems to make is that life cannot come from nonlife (as you say), which is an unfalsifiable claim…
…unless we carefully look at what life IS, and discover that today, right now, it can't even EXIST without nonliving materials. The nonliving materials are essential to living things, and they are all found in the environment. EXACTLY what one would expect if abiogenesis of any kind were true…which suggests the need for a creator is not a need at all.
Depending on how you look at it, the claim that life cannot come from nonlife is either A) unfalsiable, or B) already falsified.
DR says
Actually, DNA does "contain" information, if by information we use the technical meaning of "measure of entropy". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28information_theory%29) But Cesar was using the old trick of mixing up the common meaning of information as 'knowledge' with information in its mathematical sense. It's a trick that's used constantly by apologists and "ID"-artists.
Kate says
near death experiences are not "hooey". they are DMT trips. DMT is the most insane drug experience you can have, way above LSD, and when you die, your brain releases DMT. DMT makes you hallucinate. pretty simple.
Daumier says
Does Cesar think acetic acid and sodium bicarbonate are information? After all when you put baking soda and vinegar together, they immediately know they have to have a reaction to create carbon dioxide! It's like there's a code behind it.
JT (Generic) says
They're talking more about it being a supernatural experience being "hooey".. not that there isn't any experience at all.
maddog1129 says
I remember a number of years ago the American Catholic bishops held a conference to "deal with" the child abuse scandal in the U.S. After a number of days of deliberations, as I recall, the ONLY resolution to gain passage was "zero tolerance for abusive priests." It was head-banging to me … the thing that made the whole scandal so pernicious was the cover-up, moving the abusive priests around so they could hurt more children. If there was any one thing that should have come from the conference, it should have been "zero tolerance" for higher-ups who covered up. Heads should have rolled. So nothing happened then, and still nothing has happened. The Catholic Church has still mostly failed to address the problem.
grumpyoldfart says
The mugs in the pews should take a lot of the blame. They go "tut-tut" and say "What a shame", but next Sunday there they are, sitting in church and dropping their tithes onto the collection plate. The priests are thinking "How easy is this," and nothing changes.
If the mugs had protested by staying away from services and withholding their tithes, the Church would have got things sorted in a matter of weeks.
But the mugs were too afraid of losing their place in heaven – so they didn't protest – and their children copped it !
Joshua Fisher says
I grew up Mormon too, and I can tell you that the pressure to date within the church is intense. Mormon females are conditioned from an early age to be submissive to male authority and so for them it is even more difficult to consider dating outside the church. For this Mormon girlfriend the idea of defying her father to marry outside the church could very well be beyond consideration. I can believe very easily that this girl would abandon the relationship if he does not convert back to the faith.
Azure says
There is actual evidence that suggests that once sexuality is set, it is set. People who have fetishes like golden showers, sadomasochism, or are pedophiles probably can't change their sexual predilections anymore than someone can ungay. Obviously, people with golden shower and bondage fetishes can find partners to consent to the activities, whereas the pedophile must inhibit his sexuality for the rest of his (or her) life. I can provide citations from psychological research to back up this claim if necessary.
HOWEVER, most child molestation is not done by pedophiles. Most molestation is a crime of opportunity, That is, sadly, (usually men) do molest because they get aroused and children are available. This is not saying that by any means that all men would molest children given the opportunity. I am saying that of men that do molest, they typically do so NOT because they have orientation towards children, but because they have a severe problem with inhibiting deviant behavior when an opportunity arises. I realize that is hard to believe of those of you with a functioning frontal lobe that allows this to be unconscionable, but it is actually better that way. It is much easier to treat someone so he or she does not reoffend if they were an opportunist, but sadly when someone is truly a pedophile it is very hard for that individual to not reoffend,
Given, that most child molestation is a crime of opportunity, it stands to reason that men with no access to sex and plenty of opportunity might have higher rates of child molestation than an organization that allowed the members to have sex. Unfortunately, I can't find a study that actually does a good job of comparing the rates of molestation by priests to that of men in the general public.
My guess is no. The overall abuse rate is probably about the same; the number of people attractive to the priesthood to try to suppress (with the supposed help of some deity) their pedophilia is probably balanced out by many asexual and low sex-drive individuals.
I think we can all agree that the cover-ups of the known cases of abuse are reprehensible regardless of the rate of pedophilia in the priesthood.
King of New Hampshire says
Educate yourself on the Ancient Greece, Rome, hell, even China.
Okay. I will. I honestly never even thought of doing that. Thank you. Where can I find the peer reviewed scientific literature of ancient societies' psychological experiments, the ones that don't condone murdering your demon tainted child or splashing pigeon blood on the face of your mongoloid progeny? Seriously. Show me where the ancients investigated the causes of deviant behavior beyond attributing them to Satan or trickster gods. If you can produce just one single shred of proof that the ancients seriously studied this behavior I'll happily retire from this conversation and go "educate myself." Until then, I suspect you will busy yourself looking for such mythical evidence, right?
JT (Generic) says
How about this analogy:
DNA isn't information any more than train tracks are information. Sure, the train tends to follow the train tracks to particular destinations, but that's purely due to the physics and motion, not because train tracks are encoded data.
Or, if one is looking for a more natural example – rivers. Streams and rivers force rain into following a particular pattern, and following a particular path. Rivers, however, are self-forming and have contain no encoded information.
Vall says
What Ceasar is doing is to deliberately misunderstand or misuse the word "language." It's the same as people who say "only a theory." They clutch to one specific definition because the idea falls apart without it.
Ceasar is kinda fun for a few minutes, but then you realize his opinions only go one way. He will pause, and act like he is listening, but nothing sinks in. They tried to get him on the "language" thing, but it hits a wall. He doesn't care about truth or how to get it. I haven't missed him.
So I agree with the comments here, mainly I wanted to see if my gravitar crap is working.
sansdeity says
'Its a very modern USian view, and therefore – very likely to be mostly bullshit. The ancients clearly didnt think that way at all, and for them it was very much the actual activity, instead of some predisposition. Educate yourself on the Ancient Greece, Rome, hell, even China'
What an odd comment. Are you suggesting that anyone could engage in such behaviour if denied access to 'normal' partners? I am not attracted to men, or children. No matter how long I went between sexual encounters I would still not be attracted to men, or children. I don't think that is a particularly '…modern USian view…' and it certainly isn't '…bullshit.' As for educating myself re your suggestions,I have an advanced degree in History, with a particular interest in Greece circa 600BCE so I'll only take lessons from you if you are Professor level or above. Perhaps you could exchange Ad Hominem for reasoned discourse and actually address the important issues. Good Day to you, Sir.
Ermine says
paedophiles are definitely NOT just people who cannot find an adult to have sex with!!!!!!!!
How many exclamation points is that? Hmmm, are you wearing your underpants on your head? You're definitely showing the signs..
While your contention as such is correct, it doesn't have much at all to do with the subject at hand. First off, "pedophile" does not equal "child molester", and that is at least part of what Laplace was saying. Most child molesters are NOT pedophiles. Most instances of child molestation are caused by "normal", heterosexual friends or relatives who take advantage of the opportunity, NOT by predatory pedophiles. The facts and statistics strongly contest your assertion.
No matter how vehemently you may contest it, people who can't get their preferred fare pick less palatable alternates all the time. Do you really think that prison rape is being committed by homosexuals? No, it's otherwise completely heterosexual men, picking an alternative outlet because they have the opportunity and the power to get away with it.
No matter how long I went between sexual encounters I would still not be attracted to men, or children.
…And so of course, because you think that about yourself, you feel like you can then claim the same for absolutely everyone, rather than any -real- evidence you might find, like the statistics on prison rape or the ubiquity of jokes about people having sex with animals when they can't get a woman. Well, that makes perfect sense!
You are wrong. Whether you like it or not, your assertion that people won't use children as substitutes is confounded by quite a bit of real-world evidence that they DO. Now, are you going to continue to belabor the point, or would you like to get back to the real world and the subject at hand, which has little to do with pedophilia and quite a lot to do with trying to protect children from abuse?
# to Azure, though I agree with a good deal of what you say, there's one part I find that I must comment on:
It is much easier to treat someone so he or she does not reoffend if they were an opportunist, but sadly when someone is truly a pedophile it is very hard for that individual to not reoffend,
Excuse me? What exactly are you trying to say here? That real pedophiles can't help offending? That the rate of recidivism for sex crimes committed by pedophiles is higher than that of other people?
See, I'm a heterosexual, but even if I see a naked woman who's a perfect 10 in my book, I'm STILL not going to rape her, no matter how turned on I might be at the time. Just because a pedophile is sexually attracted to children, it doesn't mean that they'll ever give in to their urges and molest one, any more than I'll ever rape someone. The problem with pedophilia is that children -cannot- give informed consent, so any sort of sexual relations is rape. But you see, not only does "pedophile" not equal "child molester", it doesn't equal "rapist" either. Just as MOST celibate priests manage to live out their lives without committing rape, and MOST teachers manage to teach their students without raping their students, so too can a pedophile. It's only the ones who are also RAPISTS who are a problem, and it's the rape that is the problem, right?
Some very small fraction of pedophiles are rapists, just like a far larger number of 'normal' heterosexuals, and even some 'normal' homosexuals, men and women both. Shouldn't we try to worry about the ones who are actually the problem – the rapists, not "pedophiles"? I've got nothing against people going after the rapists with every hammer in their toolbag, but I do object to seeing one group of people tarred with a brush that's obviously meant for a different, far-more-deserving group.
Words -mean- things, and if you use them incorrectly, it becomes much harder to reliably communicate. If people would stop trying to use the wrong words just because they've seen them used in that context previously, this would be at least a little easier. Could you two think about what you're saying before you say it, please? That's all I ask of you, Azure. Sansdeity needs a little more work than that, I'm afraid. Among other things, s/he could stand to look up the definition of 'Ad Hominem' as well, at least if s/he doesn't wish to look foolish for accusing people of it when it wasn't there!
Vall says
If you have to explain your first statement in the following paragraphs instead of building on the idea, you may want to re-examine that statement.
Greta Christina posted a video of her awesome "Angry" speech. In it she points out anger is a very useful tool to bring about change. When you suggest silence you are not only endorsing the behavior of the church, you are trying to take away one of our most useful tools.
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Mount Kenya > Lenana > Climber's Log
Lenana Climber's Log
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|Normal Route
|Easy scramble to the summit. Perfect day & superhuman guide.
|Posted Apr 9, 2016 2:01 pm
|Lenana for Batian
Date Climbed: Sep 16, 2013
|Hiked Lenana to acclimatize for Batian. Had snow the whole way. Beautiful day...
|Posted Sep 21, 2013 2:12 pm
|Silvia Mazzani
|Punta Lenana Standard route
Date Climbed: Jan 9, 1989
|From Two Tarn Hut.
|Posted Sep 20, 2012 10:48 am
|Chogoria to Sirimon
Date Climbed: Aug 9, 2012
|Used a variation of the Chogoria route with no other trekkers in any days, except on Old Moses, since we went down the Sirimon route. Gorgeous views and very easy climb. Also used it as acclimatization to Kili, but found it much prettier!
|Posted Aug 23, 2012 12:29 pm
|amazingly scenic hike
Date Climbed: Jun 13, 2012
|Hiked in via the amazingly scenic Chogoria route with a guide (no porters), did the summit circuit and then Lenana the next day. Ascended by the normal route and then came down the north ridge. The normal route had crappy conditions: a layer of ice with half an inch of fresh snow on top. My guide cut steps with my ice ax until we reached the cables leading to the summit. Conditions on the north ridge were much more friendly.
|Posted Jun 30, 2012 8:22 am
|bruno baschung
|normal route
Date Climbed: Jan 11, 2012
|I climbed the normal route. I was quite surprised by the rapid receeed of the Lewis Glacier, which will probably disappear in a not too distant future. The access to the last 100m of Lenana could still require some precautions if there's is some snow or ice but the way is now well equiped with cables.
Nice view for this trekking peak.
Bruno BASCHUNG
|Posted Mar 15, 2012 5:03 pm
|Chogoria Route to Pt Lenana, Sirimon Route Down
Date Climbed: Jul 13, 2007
|Amazing five-day trek and my first real experience with a mountain. The views from Lenana are what got me started with climbing!
|Posted Sep 21, 2011 2:23 pm
|Naru Moru route
Date Climbed: Apr 2, 2010
|Two hours after landing in Nairobi we were already heading to Naru Moru park entrance. We made it in two days to the Austrian hut, where I started to have quite severe altitude sickness (arriving from 100 meters...) and had to retreat with dizzyness as Lenana was also covered with snow. Very nice flora and fauna!
|Posted May 3, 2010 10:15 am
|Sirimon route
Date Climbed: Mar 2, 2010
|1,5 day from Timau to the summit and back. Sirimon route up and on the way back i've lost a track, so i've had to continue through jungle, quite hard. Maybe 8 km north from shipton a buffalo attacked me. One of the strongest experience in my life.
|Posted Mar 13, 2010 7:58 pm
|Route: Unknown
|We stayed the first night at a hut a few hours from the entrance and from there went up to another which was just below the summit through a long valley, full of plants. We were making good time so decided to go up to the summit that evening and arrived just before sunset, then stayed at the hut just below. We had porters/guides, which made it quite a bit easier!
|Posted Oct 9, 2007 12:15 pm
|Nigel Lewis
|I soloed this peak from Shipton's camp prior to attempting the Nth Face Std route, whilst my partner lay moaning in the tent with mild altitude sickness.
I did it again with my wife and another friend 4 years later as part of a circuit of the main peaks.
|Posted Feb 13, 2007 11:38 pm
|Happy New Year!
Date Climbed: Jan 1, 2007
|Did Lenena from Naro Moru. The same route for descent. We were on the summit just in time to meet the first sunrise of the New Year. Very beautiful place. And great acclimatization before Kilimanjaro
|Posted Jan 19, 2007 3:52 pm
|My First Ever Summit
Date Climbed: Jan 19, 1993
|Still the mountain that holds the fondest place in my heart. Caroline and I took a stroll up this mountain many years ago completely unaware of what we were doing and what trouble we could get into. But as it turned out, everything was fine and we had the most amazing time. I was successful to Point Lenana (which is not actually the top). However, I am pretty sure I will head back to Kenya someday to tag the real summit
|Posted Dec 10, 2006 7:21 am
|Henning Lege
|Chogoria - Met Station
Date Climbed: Aug 31, 1989
|One of my finest mountaineering experiences, together with my girlfriend at the time.
Incredible, how many people failed because they simply did not bother for acclimatization. I loved the birdwatching in the rainforest and the moorland :-)
|Posted Feb 23, 2006 4:49 pm
|Ron Leliveld
|Route Climbed: Chogoria Route Date Climbed: 26 december 2004
|This was our acclimatication trip before we go to the Kilimanjaro.
And i can say it was it very good idea to do this that way
|Posted Jun 8, 2005 3:00 pm
|Route Climbed: Chogoria Route Date Climbed: August 2, 2002
|Ran out of money, had only enough money for two days to stay in the park and do Lenana. One of the most adventurous two days I had while in Africa. While hiking to the top I video tape the landscape along the way. The terrain is like going up in the Sierra's.
|Posted Dec 21, 2004 1:54 am
|Route Climbed: Southern route from Top hut Date Climbed: 2004 12 02
|An easy scramble on rocks and scree and some short parts of simple climbing. Ice and snow in some places. Excellent views of Mt Kenya from the summit.
|Posted Dec 18, 2004 12:55 pm

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Easy Company, 506th Airborne Division, U.S. Army, was as good a rifle company as any in the world. From their rigorous training in Georgia in 1942 to D-Day and victory, Ambrose tells the story of this remarkable company, which kept getting the tough assignments. Easy Company was responsible for everything from parachuting into France early D-Day morning to the capture of Hitler's Eagle's Nest at Berchtesgaden.
Band of Brothers is the account of the men of this remarkable unit who fought, went hungry, froze, and died, a company that took 150 percent casualities and considered the Purple Heart a badge of office. Drawing on hours of interviews with survivors as well as the soldiers' journals and letters, Stephen Ambrose tell the stories - often in the men's own words - of these American hereoes.
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"A first-class explanation of what crack infantry troops are like....Addicts of military history will relish its finely detailed account.....Stephen Ambrose's thorough research and clear organization have produced a highly readable account of the heroic service of this "band of brothers" he so unstintedly admires." (San Francisco Chronicle)
"As a member of just such a unit...I am impressed by how well Mr. Ambrose has captured the true essence of a combat rifle company." (The New York Times Book Review)
"A valuable and fascinating record....In these pages, the reader can vicariously walk with the men of E Company, suffer and laugh with them." (The Times-Picayune)
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I came to the original story of Easy Company after watching the HBO TV miniseries of the same name. This audiobook has been an absolute favourite of mine and I have listened to it at least once a year ever since first downloading it. I find it particularly poignant to listen to this audiobook around Christmas mainly because I like to relate to their time in Bastogne during Christmas 1944 in some small way.
The story is very US-centric as it should be given the company it it follows, but underneath it all is the idea of voluntary sacrifice for a larger cause. There's also the dichotomy of belonging to the forces where the most hated person to command them was also their biggest asset in terms of bringing them together as a unit. Then there is the dichotomy of war where US E Company soldiers found that it was the Germans that they most related to in terms of their civil values.
It's a gripping story of morals, courage, heroism and sacrificie that sounds cliched until you listen to their story.
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The building of a cohesive unit and the value placed on training and preperation prior to battle.
Sick to death of the American 'limey bashing) i am sure if 1 - 6 Airborne had the amount of time to train as E Coy had they I think we would be writing about them (and perhaps should be). You need only to look at the recruits that came after to prove this and this is the same for all organisations under pressure.
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Great audio book (less the comments on the British) and finished in record time - really enjoyed it.
"Excellent and in depth a must have"
If you enjoyed watching the tv mini series you'll love this. The book is very well narrated to the point where you want more. It felt as though you were there but through the eyes of an observer. Compelling listening. Well written by Stephen Ambrose.
I enjoyed it so much i wanted more so i listened to 'Beyond Band of Brothers' by Dick Winters his personal memoires of the war. Highly recommended.
"Fascinating story!"
Great read! Moves along really quickly and gets across the comaraderie that existed between the men of Easy company. Highly recommend this story - you can completely understand why it was turned into a TV series.
"They were not alone!"
Despite the incredible courage and endurance of the Airborne troops, it may have been gracious for the author to at least give credit to the other troops without whom the Airborne would not have been able to sustain their progress. The narrator should have at least taken the time to learn the correct pronunciation of place names (particularly Dutch towns) and his accent used for 'English' soldiers was ludicrous! Making each one sound as if they were a product of Eton! Infuriatingly, the author refers to 'the English' soldiers/troops rather than 'British'! A common mistake made by Americans!
Overall the story was interesting despite a rather condescending attitude to all non-Airborne combatants.
"Men at their best in the worst of conditions"
yes Tim Jerome gave the account life.
All of it
All of them except the British accents, I am British and do not know anyone who speaks
with Tims idea of a British accent.
It is a great account of men at war, but one is left with the feeling that the American
soldier had no equal.
It was down to earth.
Being of the generation that brought up to believe the Americans were bit players in World War 2, I found this book to very informative and enlightening.
"Just wow"
The fact that this was is a real life account of WW2 makes it pretty special
The humour, the wit has an awesome charm in the face of such devastating sadness
The last chapter was amazing, made me want to make the most of my life.
"my first audiobook experience"
this is my first ever audiobook and I enjoyed it I have watched the series and I was fascinated about the Band of Brothers e company I'm listening to the audio has just given me more insight of what happened through the soldiers eyes themselves
"Watched the series? Now read the book"
An excellent snapshot of life in the Parachute Infantry during the Second World War. Arguably one of the best books on Audible.
"You HAVE to pick the Unabridged version"
Well told story of amazing men. Well done narration. Only better book by Ambrose is Pegasus Bridge which I haven't see as an audio book. These are such great men. Read this one first and then there are so many others that have come out since focused on individuals. There is so much great literature on Easy Company. This is the place to start.
"High Expectations Met"
I've read this book several times and enjoyed the HBO series, so my expectations were quite high with this audiobook. Do not be put off by reviews that are dismissive of the narration. Tim Jerome's sober narration is entirely appropriate for this powerful work of nonfiction.
"D-Day, Market Garden, Bastogne - Amazing!"
My deepest respect.
We Were Soldiers Once and Young
This was the first book i listened to on Audible.
No - I used it as a commuter book.
"Everyone Needs to Know"
All American's need to be aware of the great sacrifices that the generations of these men gave for the freedoms that we take for granted daily. Stephen Ambrose is one of our countries greatest historians.
"a must for history buffs"
one of the best history writers of our time.... gripping
I listen to audio books on my hour commute each way to work. many times I have sat in my driveway unable to turn off the car.
"The Facts Behind the Series"
I Didn't read the print version
The parts left out of the series and the facts that were part of the series
Good clear speaking voice that kept me wanting more
Band of Brothers of course
Wonderful book about factual events
"Excellent unabridged book, average narration"
I appreciated this audiobook, even after seeing the HBO miniseries and listening to the abridged version of the audiobook. This unabridged version has quite a bit of additional detail that I had not heard (or seen) previously, and I enjoyed hearing the story over again. Tim Jerome's narration is competent though, to my ear, it was not as good as Cotter Smith's reading of the abridged version or as good as George Wilson's reading of Citizen Solders.
"Greatest Generation"
Like most, I've seen the HBO series "Band of Brothers". I also wanted to go deeper into the story so I purchased the e-book as well as the audible version. I recently finished the book and have a new appreciation for the Greatest Generation. They truly deserve that name by the sacrifices they made to help make this country what it is today. The audio version of this book is excellent and the narrator does a terrific job. I am looking forward to reading more by this author and others on the topic!
"great story"
a great book for a person like me that has a great interest in WWII
the narrator is definitely good and never dull
"Enjoyed the series, enjoyed this just as much."
I watch Band of Brothers at least once a year, I enjoyed this audio book a lot and may add it to that same tradition
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What's the biggest obstacle to health care reform? Voters!
Yes, the problem is the everyday slobs who spend their afternoons calling senators and congressmen and threatening to withhold their precious votes the next time around if not awarded the following two things immediately: 1) sterling quality health care for all Americans, with access to every doctor and procedure they desire, no matter how superfluous or expensive; 2) absolutely no increase in taxes or deficits to pay for it.
As the Princeton economist Uwe Reinhardtwrote recently:
To be responsive, then, to the "simple common sense" of the American people, any proposed health reform must not reduce the revenue of hospitals, lest some neighborhood hospital may have to close; or of doctors, lest some doctors might refuse to see patients; or of the manufacturers of health products, lest they are unable to innovate; or of anyone on the supply side of the health sector, lest they go out of business and have to lay off employees.
At the same time, the "simple common sense" of the American people dictates that any health reform that fails to bend down the growth curve of future health spending — the current jargon for controlling health spending better — is unacceptable, too.
In this sense, we as a nation have become one giant California, which has slowly voted itself into fiscal oblivion. We're doing it one ballot initiative at a time, forever expanding services and spending while refusing any measures to pay for it.
Fortunately, at the federal level we have people called "legislators" whose job it is to save us from our own contradictory impulses. They're the people who will have to decide if we will expand services and raise costs, or cut a bit of both. And of course legislators are terrified of having to make this decision.
The president is no better. He spent much of his recent press conference explaining how nobody will have to sacrifice anything under his "plan," whatever that is, as multiple committees are working on independent versions of the bill.
This is, apparently, how you sell people on an incompletely formed notion -- half of voters won't like because it doesn't expand coverage sufficiently, and the other half won't like because it costs too much.
Somebody may eventually have to point out that you cannot get something for nothing, and that simply "eliminating waste and bureaucracy" cannot fund a multi-trillion-dollar effort. Some legislators may lose their jobs over this.
But the thing that's required to resolve the mess may be even more elusive than a no-cost, high-quality overhaul of our national health care system: courage.
Sara K. Smith writes for NBC and Wonkette.


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OK, so a little background information. I bought this laptop off of ebay and I feel I got burned on it a little. The listing said it had a Mobility 5650 and was for a cheap price, so I thought I would jump on it before anyone else did. Well, when I received the laptop, I checked the device manager and it showed a HD 4650. I was pretty upset and contacted the seller. He agreed to give me $50 back since I was expecting a 5650 and got a 4650 and the small diference wasn't worth the effort. Well that was about a month ago. Today I update the driver and find out its actually a HD550v (what the driver installation process found) and thats whats being displayed in device manager now. Come to find out the 550v is the same exact chip as a 4650 but with a lot slower clocks. I go back to a GPU-Z screenshot I took to prove to the guy that it was a 4650 and sure enough it reports that it is a 4650 but with the way slower 550v clocks (450mhz core 600mhz memory). A regular mobility 4650 should have 550mhz core and 800mhz memory. Well, according to the guy's auction page its too late to complain any more about it (7 day money back guarantee and all) and I already squeezed $50 back from the guy from an already low price and said I was satisfied.
Anyway, is there a way I can OC this "550v" so that it at least has Mobility 4650 clocks? Would it be worth the effort? Is it going to hurt the laptop?


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Using NTP to sync time on Gentoo
Keeping your Gentoo system's date and time accurate is easy to do using NTP.
Synchronize watches
Having an accurate clock on your VPS is usually a good thing. It ensures the time stamps in emails sent from the machine are correct, and it's especially helpful when you need to look at the logs from a particular time of day.
If you are running a kernel from our repository that is older than 22.214.171.124 you shouldn't need to do anything to keep your server at an accurate time. The VPS will sync with the hardware clock, which is syncing from an NTP server itself.
Newer kernels, on the other hand, use a scheme that actually prevents the VPS from talking to the hardware clock (the "pvops" kernels, for the curious and technical-minded). This means that if you aren't occasionally setting the system clock yourself the time will slowly drift away from a perfectly accurate setting.
Network time protocol
That's where the network time protocol (NTP) comes in. NTP lets you automatically sync your system time with a remote server.
Setting up an NTP server to regularly adjust your machine's clock is pretty easy by default. It's also possible to make it a bit more complicated if you need your clock accurate down to the millisecond instead of just to the second.
The first thing to do is install the NTP server. Grab the package by running:
sudo emerge --sync sudo emerge ntp
Once it's installed you can ensure the service will run at boot time by running:
sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/ntpd /etc/runlevels/default/
Start the service
To make sure the NTP service starts after installing it, run:
sudo /etc/init.d/ntpd start
As is usual for Linux services, you can stop or restart the NTP service by running the above command with "stop" or "restart" sent as the argument instead of "start".
Most people just want to get NTP running and don't need to sync their clock to pinpoint, millisecond-level accuracy.
For those people: You're done. You can actually stop now. When you installed NTP it set you up with some default servers to sync with. From now on NTP will sync your clock automatically.
Congratulations on a job well done!
If you want to use NTP to sync several of your own machines with each other, or want to choose NTP servers other than the defaults, read on.
The ntp.conf file
The NTP configuration file can be found at:
There are a few settings that can be changed in there, but for most people the only settings of interest would be any "server" entries. The default for Gentoo looks like:
# Pools for Gentoo users server 0.gentoo.pool.ntp.org server 1.gentoo.pool.ntp.org server 2.gentoo.pool.ntp.org server 3.gentoo.pool.ntp.org
With more than one "server" entry your NTP server will query all servers and only select a time that a majority of the polled servers will agree on. This basically means that with three or more servers your clock will be more accurate than if it just uses one.
If you add the "iburst" option after the server address it can speed up the NTP time sync by a bit. It's usually a good idea to use it, but not essential.
Syncing multiple servers
If you have more than one machine to sync it works best if you designate one to be your "master" NTP server. Let that one server connect to an outside NTP server, then have the other machines sync to the master.
The advantages of this setup are a reduced number of outgoing connections and a guarantee that all of your machines will have their time set to the exact same value. Configuring this kind of setup just requires changes to the "server" settings in the ntp.conf files on each machine.
On the master machine you would set up any external servers you want to use. For example, if you wanted to use the NTP pool servers (more on that later) you could set the "server" values in the master's ntp.conf file to:
server 0.pool.ntp.org iburst server 1.pool.ntp.org iburst server 2.pool.ntp.org iburst server 3.pool.ntp.org iburst
Then on every other machine for which you want to sync the time point the ntp.conf to your master server. If your master server were going to be "main.example.com", you would alter the ntp.conf files on the secondary machines so the server entries would all be:
server main.example.com iburst
After setting the server parameters and making sure iptables won't block connections to your main NTP server, just restart the NTP services on each machine to get them syncing.
Adjusting iptables
NTP uses UDP port 123 to conduct its business, either connecting out to another NTP server or accepting incoming connections. If you have iptables filtering incoming traffic on the main NTP server in your cluster you'll need to open port 123 to UDP traffic to allow the other servers to connect to it.
You can open port 123 for UDP traffic with the following arguments for iptables:
-I INPUT -p udp --dport 123 -j ACCEPT -I OUTPUT -p udp --sport 123 -j ACCEPT
Choosing an NTP server
When syncing one or more machines via NTP you'll want at least one of them to set their time from a reliable external server. There are many public servers out there that are either synced directly from an atomic clock (guaranteeing an absolutely accurate time), or are synced from another server that syncs to an atomic clock.
Public NTP server lists
The best source for lists of public NTP servers is the NTP Servers WebHome at the main NTP site. When you visit that site you'll see a description of the servers available, and in the sidebar should be links to three "levels" of NTP servers: Primary, secondary, and pool. How accurate you need your servers to be will determine what type of server you'll want to sync from.
NTP pool servers
For most users the "pool" servers are the best choice. Pool servers are machines that have volunteered to make their NTP server available to the public. They typically sync from a secondary NTP server so their time is accurate, but not necessarily accurate to the nearest millisecond.
Most users don't need to be accurate to the nearest millisecond, they just want to know what time it is. So unless you absolutely know you need pinpoint accuracy, use the pool servers.
Using the NTP pool servers is as easy as setting the servers entries in your ntp.conf file to:
server 0.pool.ntp.org iburst server 1.pool.ntp.org iburst server 2.pool.ntp.org iburst server 3.pool.ntp.org iburst
If you want to make sure you only connect to pool servers in your own country or region visit the pool servers page for more specific addresses. For most people the above entries will be more than sufficient. Those addresses rotate among a huge list of volunteer NTP servers worldwide so the load on any one machine never gets too great.
For that matter, once you've set up your NTP server, if you want to contribute to the NTP pool you can get details on how to do so from the pool web site.
Primary and secondary servers
The other two tiers of NTP servers are primary and secondary servers.
A primary server is one that gets its time directly from an atomic clock (or from GPS satellites, which use atomic clocks). Atomic clocks are expensive so there aren't a lot of primary servers. You won't want to use a primary server unless you're looking for extreme scientific accuracy.
A secondary server usually gets its time from a primary server. If you want accuracy down to the millisecond level, having three secondary servers in your ntp.conf will usually do nicely.
Selecting either list from the NTP Servers WebHome will let you see what public servers are available in either tier. Before selecting and using a server check the details for that server as follows:
The "ISO" column lists the country of origin of that particular server.
The AccessPolicy field tells you what the access policy is for that server. "Open Access" means the server can be used by the public, subject to any notification requirements the server has.
The "Notify?" field for secondary servers lists the preferences of that server's administrator regarding whether or not they be notified before you sync with their NTP server. Admins who want to be notified are usually trying to manage the traffic to their server, so be sure and respect their wishes regarding notification.
Note that primary servers are always considered as requesting notification before use.
Service Area
If you've selected a primary or secondary server you want to use, click its hostname in the list to look at further details for that server.
Among the details listed is the "ServiceArea" field. That describes the geographic or demographic group they intend to serve. If that field is "Public" then you do not have to be in a particular region to use the server. If they list a more specific service area be sure to respect the server administrator's wishes in that regard.
Testing with ntpdate
Before using an external NTP server to sync your time you should make sure you can actually connect to the server from your machine. Fortunately there's a tool for that included with the NTP server named "ntpdate".
The ntpdate command will sync your clock with an NTP server. It's similar to what the NTP server does on a regular basis.
You usually shouldn't use ntpdate for anything other than testing purposes unless you want to make sure your clock only syncs at particular times of day (by using cron to run ntpdate just at those times). Otherwise you're better off running the NTP server because it will use less bandwidth and keep your time more accurate (by tracking your clock's drift over time and adjusting accordingly).
The ntpdate command will not run when the NTP server is running. If you run ntpdate and get a response like "the NTP socket is in use", that means your NTP server is running. Stop it with the command:
sudo /etc/init.d/ntpd stop
You can now run ntpdate with the server you want to sync against as an argument. For example, to tell ntpdate to try and sync with "pool.ntp.org", run:
sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
When you're finished testing remember to start NTP back up again:
sudo /etc/init.d/ntpd start
Fortunately NTP time syncing is pretty easy to do. Once you've set the time servers and started the NTP service up it will do its work quietly in the background.
If NTP has any problems it will log them to the system log, which you should be checking regularly anyway.
For more details on setting up an NTP server and what options are available visit the NTP documentation site. If you want to know more of the nitty-gritty about how NTP works, go to the main NTP web site and all will be revealed.
- -- Jered


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Location: Diet, Genomics and Immunology LaboratoryTitle: Acute effects of all-trans-retinoic acid in ischemic injury Author
|Panickar, Kiran
|Dawson, Harry
Submitted to: Translational Neuroscience
Publication Type: Peer Reviewed Journal
Publication Acceptance Date: 5/4/2012
Publication Date: 6/1/2012
Citation: Panickar, K.S., Dawson, H.D. 2012. Acute effects of all-trans-retinoic acid in ischemic injury. Translational Neuroscience. 3:2 DOI: 10.2478/S3380-012-0015-Z. Interpretive Summary: This article describes the neuroprotective role of all-trans-retinoic acid (ATRA), a metabolite of vitamin A. Most of the known effects of ATRA require long-term exposure. We now describe the protective effects of ATRA when exposed for a short time in a cell culture model of cerebral ischemia/stroke. A major feature of cerebral ischemia is the swelling of cells that are responsible for the development of brain edema. Our results suggest that swelling of brain-derived glial cells, when deprived of oxygen and glucose, can be significantly prevented by ATRA. The mechanisms by which ATRA exerts such protective effects are likely through protecting the function of mitochondria, reducing free radical mediated damage, and by regulating intracellular calcium. This article should be useful for the general public as well as scientists who are interested in the mechanisms underlying how vitamin A and its metabolites protect neural function.
Technical Abstract: All-trans-retinoic acid (ATRA) is a vitamin A derivative that is important in neuronal patterning, survival, and neurite outgrowth. We investigated the relatively acute effects of ATRA (100 nM and 1 µM) on cell swelling in ischemic injury and on key features hypothesized to contribute to cell swelling including increased reactive oxygen species/reactive nitrogen species (ROS/RNS), depolarization of the inner mitochondrial membrane potential (''m), and increased intracellular calcium ([Ca2+]i). C6 glial cell cultures were subjected to 5 hr oxygen-glucose deprivation (OGD) and cell volume was determined at 90 min after the end of OGD. OGD increased cell volume by 43% but this increase was significantly attenuated by both doses of ATRA. OGD induced an increase in ROS/RNS production in the whole cell and mitochondria, as assessed by the fluorescent dyes CM-H2DCFDA and MitoTracker CM-H2-XROS at 30 min after the end of OGD. The increase in mitochondrial ROS, but not cellular ROS, was significantly attenuated by ATRA. OGD also induced a 67% decline in mitochondrial ''m but this decline was significantly attenuated by ATRA. OGD-induced increase in [Ca2+]i was also significantly attenuated by ATRA. Taken together with our previous results where calcium channel blockers reduced cell swelling, the effects of ATRA in attenuating swelling are possibly mediated through its effects in regulating [Ca2+]i. Considering the paucity of agents in attenuating brain edema in ischemia, ATRA has the potential to reduce brain edema and associated neural damage in ischemic injury.


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Correction IM2013-221 New International Service between ICTF and Tucson(Wilmot)
Announcement Number: IM2013-253
Categories: International Service Lanes and Schedules,International Terminals,International Miscellaneous
Posted Date: April 26, 2013
Dear Intermodal Customer,
Please refer to announcement IM2013-221 regarding the new international service between ICTF,CA and Tucson (Wilmot),AZ effective May 1,2013.
Reviewing our publication we noted that the EB schedules were incorrect. Please see below schedule for correct detail.
We apologize for any inconvenience.
Thank you for you commitment to Intermodal and Union Pacific Railroad.
Intermodal Business Team
If you have any questions please contact your Union Pacific representative.


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We have some very special friends in Costa Rica, and we are so thrilled their family has just grown by one. When we sent them a gift card we figured they'd go for a play pen, baby clothes, maybe even diapers….. But nooooo! We should have known a travel accessory would be the top pick for an adventurous family. Enjoy their thank you note.
Hola TFA!
I'm sorry it has taken so long for me (& Alexa) to send this email…
When we received your really nice gift card, Alexa & I went shopping together, and she decided to invest on her very first travel bag. (Picture attached!)
She's got lots of travel dreams for her future, and will start with a short trip to San Jose this upcoming week… so she is now all set with a her own cute travel bag to fit all of her little outfits and toys.
Muchas gracias to all of our friends at Thomson Family Adventures… now while Diego and I surf the madness of our sleepless nights, our little Alexa will keep on dreaming about new and exciting adventures to take her bag along.
Alexa, Diego & Sole