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Horse Fencing: Is There a Best Choice?
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Many equine fencing options are available, but there are no hard-and-fast rules as to which is the best choice.
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Post-and-board, vinyl constructed plank, braided tape, coated high-tensile wire, pipe: Many effective equine fencing options are available. However, there are no hard-and-fast rules as to which is the best choice, explained Bob Coleman, PhD, Equine Extension professor in the University of Kentucky's Department of Animal Sciences.
Rather, choosing a fencing style for your property comes down to looking at both your needs and the options available to you. "What is suitable on your farm is something you're going to have to decide," Coleman noted. "This means setting aside preconceived notions."
One parameter that plays a key role in fencing options is location. Coleman explained that material availability coupled with construction practices in an area often dictate which fencing styles are most readily available. For example, a four-board fence might be your best bet in Kentucky, whereas a pipe fence might be more the norm in Oklahoma.
The next question addresses the functionality of fence type for the management style of the horses on the property. "A whole host of things comes down to what it is I'm trying to accomplish with my fencing," said Coleman.
For example, many farm owners use an electric fencing option to subdivide large pastures and then construct a more substantial fence to surround the property's perimeter.
"Consider how much pressure will be put on a fence, such as in areas where horses congregate," noted Coleman. The fence should provide both a physical and a psychological barrier. Some horses, such as stallions, young horses, and mares with foals, might require a greater physical barrier for safety, with an eye toward height and gaps. An electric wire on top rails might be necessary for those horses that don't respect the fence or are inclined to chew.
You might also have requirements external to your farm, such as being located in a residential area in which you may need to control outside pets' access to pastures with wire mesh. Appearance can also play a role, such as at boarding, training, and sales businesses--fence type and quality is a big part of a visitor's first impression of the farm.
"The pros and cons kind of become the same thing for all of the fences," remarked Coleman. "Regardless of the kind of fence you might use, you want to see that it is properly constructed, with the right size of posts and the right dimensions. The longevity of the fence in a lot of cases will be predetermined by how well it's been built and how well it's been maintained. Good construction and good maintenance will go a long way toward the safety of the fence."
When choosing the optimal fencing for your property, Coleman recommends talking with other farm owners and consulting with professionals. Formulate a budget based not only on construction material and labor costs, but also on maintenance and upkeep.
"Spend your money wisely. Buy quality, durable construction. Make sure the fence is suitable for the horses it needs to contain, which means good visibility, right size, and built to withstand excessive horse pressure," explained Coleman. "Look at all of the options and price it out. Look at utility, construction, and maintenance over the long term. Don't start out thinking it has to be 'a certain style of fence.' There may be nothing wrong with 'that style,' but there may also be something just as good or better out there. Good purchasing decisions pay off in the long run."
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Natalie DeFee Mendik, MA
Freelance journalist Natalie DeFee Mendik is a multiple American Horse Publications editorial and graphics awards winner specializing in equestrian media. She holds an MA in English from Colorado State University and an International Federation of Journalists' International press card, and is a member of the International Alliance of Equestrian Journalists. With over three decades of horse experience, Natalie's main equine interests are dressage and vaulting. Having lived and ridden in England, Switzerland, and various parts of the United States, Natalie currently resides in Colorado with her husband and two girls.
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Hello all
I am blessed with 5 children all gown now and a wonderful Hubby. We were in the military for many years until Hubby medically retired from the Army. We are now back in our home state of Idaho. We are now both students of U of Idaho so I do not get to quilt as much as I like to. I try to look at this like a diet.... I am on skinny food ( quilting) right now so I can enjoy more later.
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You are one busy girl. No wonder you have very little time to quilt. You will love it here. Everyone is so kind and helpful. Nice, nice people here. Hope to see some pictures of some of quilts.
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Rebecca hope you have as much fun on this site as i do. The people here offer so much knowledge and encouragement to each other.
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Hi Rebecca. Glad to have you with us. Is that a stained glass star of David in your avatar?
This is a great group, lots of fun, helpful people.
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Hi Gini
In school I am a history major with 3 minors. The minors are German, Religious Studies, and Women Studies. The school work doesn't leave much time for "fun" but I have a little so I have the "quilting itch".
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Yes that is a stained glass Magen David ( star of David in Hebrew). I wish I could say I made it. I didn't but I love it. Yes I am Jewish so you might see me change my avatar to different Magen David's ever so often.
Thank you for asking
My daughter recently formally converted to Judaism. (We have some Jewish history in the family, but it goes way back.) I have learned a lot from her this past year. I want to quilt her some things, like a table runner with the star of David.
Maybe when my hours cut back at work.
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SANTA ANA – Two of five people suspected to have played a role in the 1995 kidnapping and murder of a man pleaded not guilty to the charges during a court appearance Friday.
Gianni Anthony Van, 43, of Costa Mesa and Diane Tran, 44, of Costa Mesa pleaded not guilty to felony counts of conspiring to commit a crime and murder, and denied sentencing enhancements for special circumstances kidnapping and murdering a victim by lying in wait, Orange County Superior Court records show.
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When Lana Smith, a Mi'kmaq mother from Syracuse, New York heard her 7-year-old son, Damon Holmes, had played a game called "cowboys and Indians" in gym class toward the end of last school year, she called the school, but apparently the game didn't stop being played, reported The Post-Standard.
Damon is a second-grader at Dr. Weeks Elementary School in Syracuse. Smith and her son are proud of their heritage, so when Damon described the game where the students were split into two groups by the teacher and told to chase each other around and sneak up on each other, Smith told The Post-Standard it was "a mocking of our culture."
She told the newspaper the worst part of the game was when the kids put their hands to their mouths and chanted, which in their tradition chanting is associated with prayer.
At the end of last school year, the principal promised the game would not be played, but Damon told his mom September 27 he didn't want to go to school because they would be playing it again. Damon said the same teacher was organizing it as last year but was now calling it "Cowboys and Native Americans." Damon asked to sit the game out, but the teacher made him play.
"To change it to 'Native Americans' is laughable. Just laughable," Smith told The Post-Standard.
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"It certainly is not part of the school district's educational curriculum. Nor is it something that the school district endorses," he told the newspaper.
Henesey also told the paper that cultural sensitivity training would be provided to staff.
The Syracuse School District includes more than 19,000 students, of which one percent are Native American and Alaska Native students.
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She would like a written apology and wants parents notified of the situation.
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I get S Johnson and Gerhart.
Right now Hillis and Boldin are on my bench. S Johnson and Gerhart would also be on my bench.
I'm actually leaning toward making this trade.
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but im struggling to not make a trade bc of a fear that 2/3 of my starting RB's go down...because reality is hillis is never cracking my lineup unless something crazy happens. and if something that crazy happens, hillis isnt going to save me.
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Berlin Wall sections find permanent home by library
Original post made on Mar 20, 2013
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a resident of Old Mountain View
on Mar 20, 2013 at 10:53 am
The library is an obvious location, since both the library and the wall are great educational resources. Why not make room for both the wall and the benches?
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Mar 20, 2013 at 11:29 am
"a" bench will be moved. A single bench...not re-moved, but relocated. Bryant opposed this decision because it would mean relocating one single bench. As if relocating it would mean people would stand around looking confused?! Is Bryant on medication?
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Mar 20, 2013 at 11:39 am
Ronit Bryant (should be Tyrant?) needs to be recalled.
I'd guess her real reason to dislike the Berlin Wall is that it's a harsh warning of government tyranny, which is naturally her vision for Mountain View -- where she makes all decisions about what is right and wrong for everyone.
This is the same person who called these historical artifacts "ugly pieces of concrete", who suggested that senior citizens don't need drive thrus since they should just get out and walk everywhere, shuts down great businesses from entering Mountain View to revitalize El Camino because she thinks they'll be too popular (isn't that the idea of a good business???), and more.
She needs to resign from the Council, or it's time for us to force her out.
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Mar 20, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Well, Bryant is a council member with a vote...luckily the council has more level heads in the majority. We all have a vote as well come election day. I'll remember this nonsense
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Mar 20, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Jim Neal is a registered user.
I was at the meeting last night, as I am for all the regular City Council meetings. I have been lobbying for a place of honor for the Berlin Wall since I first heard the story and although I thought that there were other locations that would have been more appropriate, I think the area selected close to the Library is an acceptable location. I would not have had a problem with moving or even eliminating both of the benches.
It is my hope that thousands, if not millions of people will come to view these awesome pieces of history and will remember (or learn about) what is was like when the Wall still divided East from West and perhaps even contemplate what our lives would be like now if it had not fallen or if the other side had won.
a resident of Castro City
on Mar 20, 2013 at 1:28 pm
That's the decision that should have been made in the first place. Make decisions smarter, not harder.
a resident of Waverly Park
on Mar 20, 2013 at 2:30 pm
The concern about the plaque (if there is one, since the article does not state if the concern is with the council or just the author of the article) is rediculous. The sentiments on the plaque are accurate. It does not say "ONLY America". It says American resolve and ideals made the fall of the wall possible. That is true and took decades of effort. This plaque was put there by a German immigrant, so it is hardly jingoistic.
a resident of Waverly Park
on Mar 20, 2013 at 2:50 pm
The phrase "American resolve" is synonyms with President Ronald Reagan. That's why Councilmembers and their communist constituents have issues with the wall being torn down and dispalyed near the library on Franklin.
a resident of Whisman Station
on Mar 20, 2013 at 2:59 pm
I suggest that the people in City Hall have to walk by these precious pieces of history during their typical lunch break. That would remind everyone just who their boss really is...THE MOUNTAIN VIEW TAXPAYER and the responsibility to them as well as the authority they have to ( usually ) disrupt their lives.
I might add that the MVPD be forced to do the same things because they need the same lesson taught to them as well.
a resident of Willowgate
on Mar 20, 2013 at 3:09 pm
VAC here. The Library is the perfect place to put this at. Why because people come to the library to read historical, watch DVD's, check out books, etc.... That was why we chose this spot. The park was a bad idea but I didn't care about that vote. We did what was needed at one end of the arrow for the park, and with the point being the Library because the vote for the Council then could vote. Council member Ronit did the back arrow feathers vote, everyone else said the nexus and the pointed end reason for the Berlin Walls was better at the Library because it is historical.
Three people spoke from the general public and I want to personally thank them for the Library site support.
[Portion removed due to disrespectful comment or offensive language] Small light industrial business are all gone on Evelin (the TOD corridor) and unemployment for hundreds of working class people. Even the VC's across the street are shaking their heads in disbelief wondering what our city is devolving into. Developer giveaways that are a gas tax scandal. It is more than just one council member, it is the whole of our Bay Area government.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Mar 20, 2013 at 3:16 pm
The Council budgeted $50,000 to the installation?!?! I don't get it, I want to see an itemized estimate from several companies.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Mar 20, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Great decision!
What a priceless commemoration to have in our city! My kids saw a section of the wall on display in DC and it really opened their eyes to this incredible piece of history. They were moved by it and it sparked some rich conversations with them as well as a greater appreciation of freedom & democracy. It's a privilege to have this in our community.
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Mar 20, 2013 at 3:23 pm
They should make me mayor, I know how to fix this town real good.
a resident of Rex Manor
on Mar 20, 2013 at 3:37 pm
I'm surprised to hear of Ronit supporting Developers - this is not at all her perspective.
FYI - Developers pay more in fees today than at any other time in recorded history; hence, Pakinson's comments are incorrect. Read the bond assessment materials that made possible the streets, crubs, gutters, and overall infrastructure - therein lies the truth.
a resident of Willowgate
on Mar 20, 2013 at 5:53 pm
I guess I ruffled feathers here. So I will take back all I said in regards to Council member Bryant and my rant. Politicians are what they are, the person is just another person. But I will say this one thing, we need to take our city back.
Folks who own homes on the Cal Train Corridor live in fear of their property values thanks to High speed Rail and increased frequency of operation. As a real estate broker I feel for them. The small businesses in the Evelyn corridor are toast and they are laying people off. Even the AAA property behind Evelyn is readied for the ax. We are no better than San Francisco in the 1960's with government and the big Ape with the Sledge Hammer of urban expansionism.
In San Francisco, name calling is high entertainment. In Mt View its hands off.
And here we have a newspaper that is blind to everything happening, because of so much going on there is no way to keep up. In the end I could care less. We run out of water, I am prepared, we run out of sewage capacity, I am prepared. Time to write a book on the past 5 years and stop complaining.
One place has it right, the Vatican is ridding itself of the gilded cage nonsense and the new Pope is getting to being one for the poor and helpless. We need a sea change in our city, we are primed for development like we have never seen. It is our gas tax money being squandered for developers. Are these developers in the pockets of planning. Put it this way, I can count on one hand who is gilded in the minds of the city. Its rises to a scandal, a scandal of all the high payed people and to heck with the poor. We are not Hillsborough or Atherton. We are a rich diverse city of many economic factors, yet the poor get nothing but handouts for food, while developers suck dry the gas tax cool-aide and build things for the well to do. That's your council folks, hope you like what you get.
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Mar 21, 2013 at 11:29 am
@ Nick. Exactly. This is not the first time Ronit the [Portion removed due to disrespectful comment or offensive language] has made silly statements. She actually takes prides in this silliness. It doesn't help that Mr DeBolt reports these items to let the public know whats going on during meetings. Maybe we should blame him for fanning the flames. LOL
Fortunately she will be termed out in two years. Most of the staff and council are embarrassed by her antics and ignore her. She likes the attention and is rarely at a loss of words on any issue, regardless of how ignorant she is on the topic. She wants everyone to know her personal preferences and is intolerant of anyone who has different preferences.
My inside sources tell me she has contacted staff and and wants Mr. Parkinson removed from his commission post.
a resident of another community
on Mar 22, 2013 at 7:23 am
Prefer the park but next to the library is a good place. Rather see it out then in some hidden part of Mountain View that no one will go and see.
Will make a comment about leased space on another post.
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Mar 22, 2013 at 7:46 am
A piece of the Berlin Wall is perfect for Mountain View. East Germany had communism and now we have United Nations Agenda 21.
a resident of Rex Manor
on Mar 22, 2013 at 9:25 am
The "Bryant Tyrant" joke is old and not as clever as you think. I actually appreciate her frank comments, most of the time. If you don't like her, don't vote for her, but know that many of us don't find her as offensive as you do.
Stick to criticizing the issues, not the person, and you may have more luck converting people to your point of view.
a resident of Willowgate
on Mar 22, 2013 at 10:32 am
[This is turning into a personal attack on the council member, which violates our terms of use. Stick to the issues, without attacking others.]
a resident of Waverly Park
on Mar 22, 2013 at 1:31 pm
@Lame: You say "stick to the issues", which I normally agree with. But here the person IS the issue, so people feel compelled to respond. If she makes a lot of statements or votes people don't like, there will be commentary.
People complain about elected officials all the time. That is part of being a public figure. All the Dems did not stop complaining about Bush just because he won, and all the GOPers to the same with Obama. Not all of it is justified, but people should not be silent either.
a resident of The Crossings
on Mar 22, 2013 at 2:38 pm
@Lame, I'm with Ron. When a local pol. says that the reason she opposes putting sections of the Berlin Wall by our library is because it would mean moving a bench, she deserve all she gets. I mean someone saying she doesn't want to move a single bench for the _Berlin Wall display_ because she's seen people sitting on it?! She is being a disservice to the community and is making a joke out of her position. If she's just going to be ridiculous she should step down.
a resident of Castro City
on Mar 22, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Yes, they are ugly pieces of concrete. They represent an ugly era of history.
The broken bits represent freedom from segregation and political tyrany (among other things).
They should be celebrated.
a resident of another community
on Mar 22, 2013 at 2:51 pm
I fully support the placement of the Wall pieces in front of our library. The pieces could have been placed in better or worst places but here. They will become a welcome feature in our downtown to remember a piece of history in our world.
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Mar 23, 2013 at 3:57 am
Nice try but we are sticking to the issues. As others have noted, this is not the first time she has made what some of us consider bigoted and silly statements about issues. She makes personal attacks all the time. Go to the city web site and listen to her comments on development and excluding others, comments on cell towers, comments on seniors, comments on developers, comments on car drivers, comments on smokers, comments on people using plastic bags, etc.
I also appreciate your frankness that you don't mind this type of silliness most of the time. After all she did get elected.
a resident of Waverly Park
on Mar 27, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Frank Golzen, thank you for saving a piece of world history and for bringing it to the San Francisco bay area. I've never been to Berlin, yet I've always wanted to see its Wall. I wasn't around when it was erected, but remember when it fell. I found out about the Golzen segments only last month (February 2012) and have since visited them twice. Now I can finally say I've seen (parts of) the Wall. I'm thrilled! RIP Mr Golzen and thank you again. xoxo
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Mar 30, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Ronit Bryant is a native and citizen on Israel. Is there any doubt that she would oppose a German monument in downtown Mountain View? The only thing she despises more than a plaque favorable to American foreign policy is that the slab of concrete is from Germany.
P.S. East German small-town newspapers censored their readers' expression and erased all traces of dissent as well.
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Mar 30, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Bob, Is there a hidden message in all those sentences you've strung together in your post? There's certainly no clear message.
OK, she's a native of Israel (if you've gotten your facts straight, that is). The next few sentences are bizarre assumptions you've apparently made. Yes, there would be many reasons not to be certain that she would oppose a downtown MV "German monument" signifying the end to communist rule in Germany. (Who knows, she may even like listening to Beethoven.)
But the next comment really has my head spinning: "The only thing she despises more than a plaque favorable to American foreign policy is that the slab of concrete is from Germany." Has Bryant ever stated publicly or told you personally that she despises American foreign policy? Really? Could you share the details of what she said? Or is this just a figment of an imagination that embraces the kind of bizarre Jewish conspiracy theories that a certain member of a city commission has gotten himself into hot water over? Please, Bob, share your evidence. We're all eyes.
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Android further expands global dominance in Q4, but stumbles in U.S. again
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The battle of the ecosystems is no longer a battle in a global sense as Android just continues expanding its dominant hold on the market pretty much everywhere…
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1. wando77 (Posts: 1130; Member since: 23 Aug 2012)
Shows how dumb a certain country is I guess
6. Whateverman (Posts: 3291; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Ouch! Com'on now, iOS users are not dumb at all. We may not understand why the like this device as they do, but they are intelligent people who simply disagree with our platform choice. Give em' a break.
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I don't believe the numbers, if iPhones are doing so well why there are heavy discounts?
11. kevv2288 (unregistered)
Maybe some of them don't like android but the vast majority have never tried a android phone. They Immediately want a iPhone just because its a "iPhone" and all their friends have one, so they have to have one too
20. buccob (Posts: 2823; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Like I posted on a much older article.... US Americans got to taste Android in the beginnings, and to be honest, it was not a nice experience... it wasn't appealing enough for me to switch from a Blackberry! Can you believe it?... Anyway as time goes by, Americans grew out of "love" for android and turn back to their easy and comfy iOS....
But later, Google quickly changed the rules of the game and Android evolved incredibly fast past iOS and the REST of the WORLD now paid attention, and it was then when popularity started to increase...
In my country Blackberries where a huge trend a while ago.... but people started to realize how much they sucked compared to even 2 years old Android handset and iPhones... so here I believe it is a little bit even... but more incline towards Android..
23. donfem (Posts: 703; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
22. Doakie (Posts: 2246; Member since: 06 May 2009)
I often call iOS users computer illiterate. Because every one I've met doesn't know what a File Manager is, let alone understand what an open or closed file system is; the fact that they can live their lives without access to their files makes me very disappointed in them. I bought an iPad 2 when it came out to try our iOS and I couldn't stand the lack of control I had over my files. I sold it on Craigslist 6 months later because it was gathering too much dust for how valuable it was. I don't think iOS users are dumb all day everyday they just made a dumb choice on their phone purchase.
30. darkkjedii (Posts: 26761; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Excellent post whateverman. Y do they have to b dumb for exercising their freedom of choice.
34. funnyguy (banned) (Posts: 244; Member since: 10 Jan 2013)
The reason why I have an Ipad is because ios devices seem to be faster and smoother than android ones.
Another reason is the fact that the ipad has more apps than any android device, plus the apps seems to be optimised for tablets witch shows that the company pays atention to details.
Gaming is another reason why I chose ios, faster releases, more exclusive titles, better performance than any other tablet.
Plus the design of the devices is amazing, great materials and very often apple will bring the latest technology first compared to the other brands, for example ios users were enjoying retina quality display 2 years before the nexus 10 came.
If ios was open source like android then any tablet-phone manufactor would chose ios over android any day.
Ios is far more capable than android, is just apples decisions of keeping it close and their money mentality that ruins the show.
9. MartyK (Posts: 998; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
You stand corrected, some people, in some country, a lot of us are very technically intelligent when it comes to O.S :)
12. Whateverman (Posts: 3291; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Ok that's true, but the same can be said for Android users as well.
18. buccob (Posts: 2823; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Like History Channel's Giorgio A. Tsoukalos would say...(( "Aliericans" ))
19. andro. (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
I see it day in day out in sales,the iphone 5 is a slow seller compared the the likes the the xperia t,galaxy s3,one x plus etc. Only in the US has Apple maintained any sales contest.
26. sudbury78 (Posts: 136; Member since: 12 Jul 2012)
Dumbest ignorant statement in the history of phone arena. Congrats.
29. Shino (banned) (Posts: 196; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)
If your mother was that dumb, no wonder that you are a worthy heir!
32. Jonathan41 (Posts: 532; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)
iFetishism is still running ramped in the US but, the numbers show that the majority of smartphone owners around the world prefer Android. And the numbers reflect that because their not being spoon fed iMarketing from Apple. I think that means a lot more than a very small lead in the US alone.
2. kevv2288 (unregistered)
In the US every teenage/college girl has a iphone.They are all dumb and just copy each other thinking they're cool if they have a iPhone
24. donfem (Posts: 703; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
All about being cool. Yep
3. brar.arsh (Posts: 202; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)
In Spain it's 86.4% Android.. Now that's a Huuuggeeee one..
13. iPone.Lost.Momentum (Posts: 3; Member since: 22 Jan 2013)
2013 WILL be REMEMBERED as iPhone seeing it's PEAK
HERE is from one of the BIGGEST APPLE TROLL. Verified by BetaNews
5. _Bone_ (Posts: 2155; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
The US market is the hardest nut to crack. They like keeping things simple, American and trusted which are true to iPhones over Android's internationalism, customization and different SW which scares them a little. But trying out any 2012-13 droid should do the trick, you can enjoy the content much better on these and that will ultimately win over.
10. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1488; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
problem is some people buy Apple thinking its all 'Murican ,
16. speckledapple (Posts: 892; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
True but even that may not last forever as there are issues in how Apple can attack Android. Obviously the war in the courts have not slowed the expansion at all. I think Apple will need to do more with its software in order to maintain its position in those two markets. Its a very strong brand that will continue to remain solid but Android really has only gotten better with both tech and software.
Now with even more players like Win Phone 8 and BB10, things may get even more complicated.
14. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 4557; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Now why is the word 'Stumble' always associated with US??
15. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Japan has higher advantage. hmmm the other day in a story on PA actual store surveys showed NEXUS7 outsold ipad. Confusing isn't it ... why would people invest in 2 different ecosystems :)
21. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 4557; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
...that was sarcasm, incase you didn't get it :)
33. charms55 (Posts: 41; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)
There are tons of table options in Japan, including now Kindle. Most are readers for Japanese lit and periodicals, and Android tablets abound. And while Mac is important, unlike other markets, the Smarphones (iPhones) in Japan are a recent development. The shelves are lined with every variety of Android phone, and Phablets are quite popular, with people grabbing 5" and more, so this is really a wide open market. I don't think they think in ecosystems the way others are. Phones are much more integrated into the society and have been for much longer.
17. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Now I'm interested in seeing the overall current state of the market..this is just for a 12 week period.
Given that Android again lead the way far ahead, I'd expect over 70 % of global installed base.iOS should have about 20, while symbian should still hold the third place IMO
25. Aeires (unregistered)
What's more important to me isn't how much market share Android has taken, but how efficient the OS has become these past two years. My N4 always exceeds my expectations, and the best is yet to come. 2013 will be the year Android on tablets gets traction and finally takes off like it should.


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After re-reading the fight between Danzo and Sasuke, it really helped me to understand that i never really understood how Izanagi really works.
Some people think that when Danzo uses Izanagi, you have to kill him 10times(or 11 if we count Shisuis eye) to win, but this vision is wrong, and i'll explain why by showing what really happened in the fight between Sasuke and Danzo:
- Here is where Danzo activates Izanagi:
- Here you can see Sasuke crushing Danzo, and another image appear next to him:
Now the error many people did was to think that because a new Danzo appeared, one of Danzos eye will be closed, but it was a wrong way of thinking. None of Danzos eye was closed at that moment
You can notice that Danzo got crushed again on this pic:
And here again:
Later he got killed here again:
Then here again:
And after that Karin notice that the 3eyes are still closed:
What did you notice? Danzo got crushed 5times, but only 3eyes are closed? The reason is simple.
Izanagi is infact a ultimate genjutsu you throw on yourself to turn everything into illusion within a certain time duration
Danzos Izanagi has a time duration of 1minute for each eye:Which means that when Danzo uses one Izanagi, during one minute, he is untouchable whether you kill him one time or thousand times. His eye closes only after that minute and it's when Izanagi finishes.
In Danzos case, he has multiple Izanagi eyes. So when Izanagi is activated(with handseals), after one Izanagi, another one is released from another eye, but just before that, Danzos chakra take a great dip:
And that's why Danzo needs to desactivate Izanagi sometimes to conserv his chakra:
So contrary to the popular belief, the thing to beat Danzo is not to kill him 10 or 11times like some people say, but it's to somehow force him to constantly use Izanagi, so that after the 10 or 11minute of Izanagi he can use, he becomes vulnerable. And it's what Tobi explains here:
Another method is simply to kill him before he uses the handseals to activate Izanagi. Like i've said, Izanagi takes a lot of chakra. That's why sometimes, Danzo needs to stop the technique. If he stops the technique, he becomes vulnerable and it's at that moment you can strike


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April 2014 Intensified screening for HIV among injection drug users receiving opioid agonist therapy could prevent more than twice as many new infections as current screening practice. A recent study based on mathematical modeling found that screening every 6 months instead of annually, and adding viral RNA testing to the currently used HIV antibody testing, could improve both effectiveness and cost-effectiveness.
March 2014 Active drug use before incarceration was associated with decreased engagement in HIV treatment among HIV-infected jail detainees. The severity of drug dependence correlated with worsening measures of engagement in HIV treatment. The study concludes that evidence-based treatment for drug abuse in jails may result in improved HIV treatment outcomes, which in turn could help slow HIV-transmission rates in the United States.
March 2014 Methamphetamine alters brain structures involved in decision-making and impairs the ability to suppress habitual behaviors that have become useless or counterproductive. The two effects were correlated, indicating that the structural change underlies the decline in mental flexibility.
March 2014 Microneedles are an innovative technique for delivering medications through the skin, a route that could particularly benefit patients receiving naltrexone therapy for opioid and alcohol dependence. Researchers have found a way to use the transdermal technique to deliver a single treatment of naltrexone that lasts for 7 days.
February 2014 California's Proposition 36, which allows qualified drug offenders to enter substance use treatment rather than go to jail or prison, saved the state close to $100 million in its first year.
February 2014 Teen mothers on three American Indian reservations improved on several measures of parenting after participating in Family Spirit, a home-visiting intervention developed with NIDA support. At 12 months postpartum, the women's children exhibited reduced rates of emotional difficulties predicting later drug abuse and other behavioral problems. Infants at highest risk—those whose mothers had histories of drug abuse—benefited the most.
January 2014 Ketoprofen, an anti-inflammatory agent commonly prescribed to treat arthritis, reduces neuronal damage in rats that have been exposed to chronic stress and methamphetamine. If this finding of a recent NIDA-supported study extrapolates to humans, anti-inflammatory medications may gain a place in the treatment of methamphetamine addiction.
January 2014 Study patients with HIV–hepatitis C coinfection progressed to successive degrees of severity of liver fibrosis 9 years sooner than those infected with HCV alone. Further findings from the study suggest that suppressing HIV with antiretroviral medications may slow HCV-related liver fibrosis.
January 2014 Researchers have shut down laboratory rats' compulsive cocaine seeking by stimulating an area of the animals' prefrontal cortex. The finding raises the possibility that stimulating neurons in this brain area may weaken or break cocaine's grip on the behavior of people who are addicted to the drug.
January 2014 NIDA grantee Dr. O'Brien was honored for his "exemplary personal commitment to French‒American relations as symbolized by … exceptional cooperation in science and in public health."


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Ocala Star-Banner readers share their opinions on the Iraq war, a possible community movement and the eleventh amendment among other issues.
A failed war
Recently the Star-Banner ran a survey on the Iraq war. Respondents were given three choices: 1) The war was completely necessary; 2) Necessary but took too long; or 3) It was a monumental failure. Sadly, only 37 percent of respondents chose the correct answer: that the war was a terrible failure.
Without a doubt the Iraq war was a huge mistake. The reason given for the war — Iraqi weapons of mass destruction — turned out not to be true. This wasn't a simple mistake of intelligence, this was an outright lie.
Former President George W. Bush told the American people the war would cost between $50 billion and $60 billion. Former Vice President Dick Cheney told us that Iraq's oil money would pay for the war. These were also outright lies.
Thankfully, this misguided war has been brought to an end, but what about the costs? As of 2013, the Cost of War Project estimates the war has cost $1.7 trillion. That doesn't factor in future costs of veterans' health care, which push the total to more than $2.1 trillion. And none of these financial costs includes the human cost. Thousands of our best and brightest young men and women lost their lives. Still many more lost their limbs and their minds.
War is only justified to protect our nation, its people and our vital interests. The Iraq war did not meet that standard. It was an unnecessary war that cost us dearly in blood and treasure. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Ward Hegock
Silver Springs Shores
Abandoned by his government
Saeed Abedini is a 32-year-old, Iranian-born naturalized American citizen who was arrested while in Iran visiting his family and working to build an orphanage. He was sentenced to Iran's notorious Evin prison in January for what was legal in 2001-05 when he was sharing his Christian faith with other Iranians.
When his work as a Christian pastor became illegal in 2005, Abedini moved to the United States with his American wife and became a U.S. citizen. Over the following years he returned to the country of his birth nine times to visit his family and build an orphanage, but did not violate Iranian law by sharing his faith.
Abedini's adopted government has been nearly silent, unwilling to press Iran for his release. The State Department told his wife, Naghmeh, they could do nothing and declined to attend a congressional hearing on the matter March 15. Abedini has been abandoned by his government.
Nearly all major news outlets have ignored Saeed's arrest and conviction as well.
It's up to Abedini's fellow citizens to be his voice, to convince his adopted government to speak out and demand his release and his return to his wife and two small children. Be Abedini's voice and go to SaveSaeed.org to join the more than 545,000 others who have signed the petition, then write your representatives.
Stephen Montgomery
Amendment 11 challenge
I stood up for Amendment 11 on Feb. 19. I failed! However, I am not finished.
I will run for county commissioner of District 3, current Commissioner Stan McClain's seat, in 2016. Remember Stan's statement: "Amendment 11 is not fair for everyone else."
The $162,000 that our senior citizens would have saved on their tax bills would have stayed in this county. Every time that money changed hands, it would have created jobs that everyone would have benefited from.
I was born, raised and educated in Marion County and it is my hope that we help all citizens of this great county.
James Bowden
Not about skin color
The writer of the letter "Letters don't reflect who we really are" (March 28) insults the people in the Ocala area by referring to them as "mentally small people."
He then goes on to say that folks hate President Obama because he is black. Why is the race card used as soon as someone disagrees with the president's failed policies?
Since he took office, there has been a 70 percent increase in the number of food stamp recipients, the national debt has increased by $7 trillion, our daily deficit is $3.2 billion and gas prices have doubled.
His out-of-control spending, his positions on abortion and same-sex marriage and his failure to establish working relationships with the Congress are a few issues that I strongly disagree with. Recently, while on a liberal website, I raised a concern about these issues and was instantly labeled as intolerant, a racist and a bigot.
I found this quite amusing since I have a Japanese grandson, a Chinese granddaughter, and a bi-racial great-grandson. I also found those same individuals who labeled me have referred to Allen West, Dr. Carson, Condoleezza Rice and Herman Caine with names that I would be ashamed to repeat.
I'm sorry, but it is not about the president's skin color; it's about his inability to perform the duties of the POTUS.
Bob Waas
Nothing new
Don't believe for a moment that the "new platform" the GOP will try to devise to win the next election. They are who they are.
The new GOP, with their deep-seeded ideology, will not change. They are building their platform on a deck of cards. Their distaste for the disadvantaged, immigrants, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, their favoritism of deregulation, to the detriment of our environment in favor of corporations to be free to take risks in order to make more and more money.
At their recent CPAC, they voted Rand Paul over Marco Rubio and gave Sarah Palin the platform to voice such hate and disrespect for our president. Enough said.
Mary Johnson


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Miriam Flaud
About the Author
Miriam Flaud is an Old Order Amish woman who has lived within one of the most structured societies in the United States. She is the coauthor of Plain Wisdom with New York Times bestselling author Cindy Woodsmall. She's experienced the abundant joys of that lifestyle as well as troubled times. She and her husband have six children and five grandchildren.


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On Wednesday night (not Tuesday), American Idol will perform the music of Motown. We celebrate the 50th anniversary of Motown this year. We look back at Hitsville, USA and think about the nice soul classics by Marvin Gaye, Diana Ross, The Jackson 5, The Temptations, Stevie Wonder and many more. We have lost the historical significance of a black-owned, black-run business achieving true cross over success in 60′s America. Motown was more than just a hit making machine, it was a revolution making "black" music accessible to middle class white America. Maybe only Barry Gordy could have imagined the success and impact Motown would have when he started it in 1958.
Smokey Robinson will mentor the American Idol performers. Along with Bob Dylan, John Lennon and Paul McCartney, Smokey Robinson must be considered one of the greatest songwriters of the '60′s. In addition
to his own hits "Tears of A Clown", "Oh Baby, Baby" and "Tracks of My Tears", he also penned many of the great Motown hits such as "Get Ready", "My Guy" and "The Way You Do The Things You Do". He has nearly 4,000 songs to his credit. Bob Dylan called Smokey Robinson "America's greatest living poet". The American Idol performers visited Motown this week in a highly publicized trip. I would have been thrilled to make that trip. Given the R&B leanings of all the American Idol performers (except rocker Allison Iraheta and hair metal guy Adam Lambert), this should be a very good week. I am sure every one of the American Idol performers has a Motown favorite. The trick is to see if that favorite song is the best one for them to perform. I am pretty sure we will see the American Idol judges skewer one of the contestants for song selection only to have them respond, "this has been my favorite song forever and I just had to perform it." Song Selections If it is on the list, I am sure someone will perform Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On". I hope this song, probably the best in all of the Motown catalogue falls into the hands of Kris Allen or Danny Gokey. I would like to see their interpretation of this surprisingly timeless piece (check out the remake of that entire album by the Dirty Dozen Brass Band ). The one who does not sing "What's Going On" should take on one of The Temptation classics like "Get Ready", "Ain't Too Proud to Beg" or "(I Know) I'm Losing You". There are so many songs in the Motown catalogue, who knows what American Idol will have for them to chose from. Here are my wished for song selection:
- Kris Allen can turn "What's Going On" into a modern, relevant song of substance.
- Danny Gokey should take the chance to show off his riffing skills with "Ain't Too Proud to Beg"
- Lil Rounds needs to perform one of the bigger songs in the Motown collection, like Martha Reeve's "Dancing in The Streets".
- Scott MacIntyre needs an easy ballad, like Lionel Richie's "Hello" ,to pour himself into.
- Matt Giraud must use this opportunity to flex his R&B skills with something like Stevie Wonder's "Signed Sealed and Delivered".
- Michael Sarver should grab Jimmy Ruffin's "What Becomes of The Brokenhearted". I can just see the television falling in love with him again as he sings "I'm know I've got to find some kind of peace of mind"
- Look for Adam Lambert to grab some rave-up like The Temptations "Psychedelic Shack", Edwin Starr's "War" or, the best yet, Rick James's "Super Freak"
- Allison Iraheta needs to show her other side with a ballad like Smokey Robinson's "Oh Baby Baby" . She will probably grab something like the Vanilla Fudge arrangement of The Supreme's "You Keep Me Hanging On"
- Anoop Dedsai can do anything from the catalogue but he needs to right his funky self so I suggest he grab Marvin Gaye's "I Heard It Through The Grapevine". Please Anoop, don't try anything from Rick James, no "Super Freak" or "Dance Wit U" . You funk is not as funky as you think.
- Finally, Meagan Joy needs to show her singing chops by taking on the Gladys Knight classic "Midnight Train to Georgia." No funny stuff, just sing it straight up so we can see what you got.
Of course, none of them will probably sing these songs. As far as Wednesday night goes anyone, but Danny, Kris and Lil , could go home based on a bad performance. The Motown catalogue is fun and it fits the American Idol Season 8 performers like a glove. It should be a good show. Join me as we live blog the American Idol Season 8 Top 10 performances. Be sure to grab the live performance videos or the American Idol studio recordings of these songs by clicking through to iTunes below


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Guild Wars 2 has no quest log, outside of the Personal Story questlines, which are more of a solo endeavor (though you're totally able to group up for those if you choose). That alone should say how different it is from the normal 'collect quests, do quests, turn in quests' concept.
Even though the content of events themselves is somewhat standard in its execution (to a degree - one of the best things about events is that there are often quite a few ways you can progress towards completing them), not having a quest log is... strangely liberating. Events pop up all over the place, with different events happening at different times, many dependent on the stage or completion-factor of other nearby events... it's very, very easy to get distracted in GW2.
If it's similar to Skyrim in any way though, it's that you're deeply rewarded for exploring. In Skyrim, choosing to hoof it all the way across the wilderness and letting yourself get distracted by every single thing along the way (of which there is plenty!) is very rewarding, and GW2 is the same way in that you're rewarded for letting yourself succumb to the lure of wandering aimlessly.
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So for all the Formula One fans who watched the United States Grand Prix at Indy, what the heck was that?
Ultimately I'd place most of the blame on the FIA. They could've put a chicane before turn 13 (I think it's 13). They did it for the Spa-Francorchamps Grand Prix in 1994 in a similar situation, didn't they? Michelin couldn't have forced a solution. The chicane was a good idea, new tires was a good idea, but the only thing they really could've done was just do a safe tire the first time. And after all that I think the responsibilty lies with the teams to not run if they feel they have an unsafe chassis.
I feel for the fans, for obvious reasons, and I think they should be compensated in some way, but I'm glad they caught the guy who threw that water bottle on tape - he ought to be fined.
On the topic of Michelin, when I first heard about them flying in new tires I was suspicious. I thought it was a bit controversial what they did last year with the wide-shouldered tires.
Thoughts on the "race" and on the season so far?
(If it seems as though I"m uninformed about some big event that happens late in the race, I apologize - at this point I've only watched about 10-15 laps. The first Minardi just pitted)


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Metallica, the most famous metal band in the world, just played a show in a cozy little venue at the bottom of the world. In a geodesic dome surrounded by a small group of Latin American contest winners and research scientists, James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich, Kirk Hammett, and Robert Trujillo performed a short set of old hits at a site near the heliport at Carlini Argentine Base, Antarctica.
Using wireless headphones to save on power that would otherwise be used by their amplifiers, the group played a 90-minute set to people in parkas and big gloves. Check out the replay of the band's set below, which includes "Creeping Death", "Master of Puppets", "One", "Blackened" and much more. Surprisingly, "Trapped Under Ice" did not make the setlist.
— Jeremy D. Larson, Radio.com


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I looked through the bugs file and found the mention of the parport_cs driver being broke in kernel 2.3.6 and would be fixed in later versions of the 2.3 kernel. The reason that I need to use the 2.3 kernel is that it supports ieee1284 hardware transfer modes (ecp/epp) and the 2.2 kernel does not. The quatech card is a pcmcia card that supports the epp operation mode, which allows a faster data transfer speed. I have a data acquisition system which utilizes the epp mode of a desktop parallel port, but I would like to make my system a little more portable, hence the quatech pcmcia card.
I am familiar with the parallel port drivers for 2.3 and 2.2 kernels, but not as familiar with the pcmcia card services. I would be happy to test any beta patches that you may have for the parallel port card services in the 2.3 kernel. If you could point to the direction where parallel port card services were stopped, I may be able to do some work on that too. Thanks for any help. Chris
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* design a new LUG T-Shirt
* design a new LUG T-Shirt
** you don't need to know how to design, just find somebody that does!
** you don't need to know how to design, just find somebody that does!
* '''volunteer presentation
* '''volunteer presentation'''
* sergio will mention a possible additional LUG project to help IPAM get some sort of web presence.
* sergio will mention a possible additional LUG project to help IPAM get some sort of web presence.
* start upgrading some machines to debian jessie + btrfs + systemd
* start upgrading some machines to debian jessie + btrfs + systemd
Revision as of 16:58, 24 February 2014
Note: today is 2018-01-16
Meetings are typically held on Tuesdays at 18:00 in the Lounge.
2014-02-25 at 16:00 (next)
- go over things to do during server maintenance day
- e.g. untangle everything, shift servers up/down, upgrade/install software
- need future LUG members/officers to observe/learn
- cover plan for moving off google apps
- as a side effect, we will have two servers in a secure, reliable location with lightning fast network
- backup DNS, backup data, mail/mailman, mirrors, etc.
- figure out some details for SFS. assign people to these tasks:
- day 1: create presentation on server hardware and plan demonstration
- day 2: create presentation on general linux administration and practice configuring services in a VM to minimize hiccups during the real tutorial
- day 3: design an nginx config and simple CGI script that makes use of the various services configured on day 2
- discuss ways to collaborate with other student groups
- tickle idea of merging with ACM
- http://tecbruins.org/
- discuss ways to empower open source with hacking events, etc.
- matt knows a lot about KDE developer community
- design a new LUG T-Shirt
- you don't need to know how to design, just find somebody that does!
- volunteer presentation:
- Matthew McKeen: systemd/cgroups/LXC
- Danny Nguyen: LaTeX
- sergio will mention a possible additional LUG project to help IPAM get some sort of web presence.
- start upgrading some machines to debian jessie + btrfs + systemd
- convert ext4 to btrfs, configure systemd
- maybe just reinstall the whole OS
- agree on date for server maintenance day to do the following:
- consolidate owncloud into the primary zone (maybe)
- figure out why git isn't resolving
- figure out why barcelona isn't booting correctly
- figure out why losangeles isn't shutting off correctly
- untangle the holy mess of cables
- Troy gave a brief introduction to debian mirrors
- installfest prep:
- Matt volunteered to pick up the pizza
- Sergio volunteered to pick up some groceries
- Saurabh volunteered to help prepare BH 4760
- start delegating tasks to people
- get UPS - Nathan
- get Buildfest equipment - nobody
- design welcome sign - nobody
- had discussion about OpenStreetMap
- decided to keep our IRC channel on irc.gimp.net instead of moving it to freenode
- we should design a welcome sign for the lounge
- we should design a t-shirt design for winter quarter
- planning has begun for the mail migration
- had a mini-hackathon to break the keysigning app: https://linux.ucla.edu/keysigning
- it broke.
- it will soon be ready for another wave
- is Big Brother Tux too invasive? apparently no.
- review LUG master plan to move away from Google services:
- Calendar: set up a WebDAV server, vcards editable from e.g. thunderbird
- jacqueline assigned to the task of buying the UPS and putting up some of our junk on craigslist
- weekly tutoring has been pushed back to next quarter. Instead, we might have a CS3{1,2,3} tutoring session before finals.
- self-organized talks statuses and ETAs:
- LaTeX by Danny might happen this quarter
- Creating Packages for Linux by Andy might happen next quarter
- Privacy on the Internet by Troy Sankey might happen next quarter
- Dr. Scott Friedman, chief technologist for UCLA's Institute for Digital Research and Education (IDRE), will talk about some opportunities for getting involved in current projects and upcoming super computing competitions. announcement on the uclalug-members mailing list
- what do we want to hear eggert talk about?
- History and involvement with the GNU project
- decide date/time for tutoring
- proposed friday from 13:00 to 15:00 (early afternoon preferred)
- structure our "server from scratch" series
- part 1: server hardware
- part 2: basic server configurations
- part 3: deploying services and databases
- gave away one of our p4 desktops to somebody that was interested in using it as a personal server
- realization that we actually really need to implement SSL
- we should have dedicated tutoring, date/time undecided
- added "server from scratch" series to our list of talks
- andy might give a talk on "Creating Packages for Linux" (might be debian-specific)
- danny might give a talk on "LaTeX"
- We decided not to give out emails with every new account. Only hand out to people who specifically request it.
- We shall work on setting up the PXE boot server on this Friday at 18:00
- We will add Linux Mint to our list of distros to install
- just get pizza for upcoming installfest
- organization signatories changed to Jacqueline, Troy, and Nathan
- about 10 new members
- new talks ideas:
- network security
- how to contribute to OSS
- decided to make an online survey for talks
- entertainment ideas for installfest:
- Torvalds profanity read by text-to-speech
- bad hacking scenes
- RMS quotes and talks
- "The Code"
- "revolution OS"
- first meeting of 2013 fall quarter
- introduced LUG to six potential new members
- discovered interest in the following upcoming events:
- buildfest
- core war
- vote for officers for 2013-2014 academic year.
- choose appropriate officer roles for next year.


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SAN DIEGO -- Drug-refractory epilepsy patients who are poor candidates for conventional surgical therapies may benefit from new laser-based approaches, researchers said here.
Several case series presented at the American Epilepsy Society's annual meeting indicated that MRI-guided laser surgeries effectively decreased seizure frequencies, with shorter recovery periods and possibly less cost than would be expected with standard craniotomy.
The six reports covered experiences with 39 pediatric and adult patients with severe seizure disorders of different kinds, including mesial and nonmesial temporal lobe epilepsy and various seizure-inducing tumors, from groups across the country.
Researchers presenting the results indicated that the procedure may make surgical therapy possible for patients who could not tolerate craniotomy because of psychobehavioral comorbidities, or who have seizure foci in locations where conventional surgery would create too much damage to nontarget brain tissue.
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Mastny leaves Tribe for Japanese club
Reliever requested move; deal includes 2010 option
By Anthony Castrovince / MLB.com
LAS VEGAS -- Tom Mastny didn't have a guaranteed spot in the Indians bullpen for next season, so he's moving on. All the way to Japan.
The Indians sold Mastny's contract to the Yokohama BayStars of the Japanese Central League, where he will convert from relief to starting work.The amount received for Mastny was not disclosed. This development was a Mastny-initiated move. His agent approached the Indians and requested that they agree to the swap because he can make a minimum of $800,000 as a starter in Japan in 2009, with potential incentives pushing that number even higher. Mastny's deal with the BayStars also includes an option for 2010. While the Indians certainly have a need for depth in their bullpen, they felt they were doing the right thing by allowing the right-hander to pursue this opportunity. "It's the best thing for Tom," Shapiro said. "He's a guy we have a lot of respect for. It was a question of whether it was in our best business interest. But we're sensitive to and understand this juncture in his career and what this means for him and his family. He's a 28-year-old guy with a newborn baby." The Indians are not ruling out the possibility that Mastny could rejoin the organization in two years. Mastny had been in the Indians system since he was acquired in the trade that sent infielder John McDonald to the Blue Jays after the 2004 season. He made his big league debut in 2006 and spent some time in the closer's role at the tail end of the season, saving five games The right-handed Mastny spent the full 2007 season in the Majors, going 7-2 with a 4.68 ERA in 51 outings. His highlight with the Indians came in Game 2 of the American League Championship Series in Boston, when he came on in relief in extra innings and recorded the victory. In '08, Mastny did not win a job with the Tribe out of Spring Training. He began the season in Triple-A Buffalo and was called up four different times. In all, he went 2-2 with a 10.80 ERA in 14 appearances with the Indians and 2-2 with a 1.78 ERA in 28 appearances for the Bisons. With Mastny out of the picture, the Indians' 40-man roster now stands at 38 players.
Anthony Castrovince is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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World Issues Survey, 1979 (ICPSR 7822)
Principal Investigator(s): Market Opinion Research
This telephone survey of 1,200 Americans was conducted in November and December of 1979. Data were gathered on respondents' perceptions of world issues, e.g., world hunger, global distribution of resources (including energy), foreign aid, emerging global priorities, social welfare versus military spending, and perceptions of the impact of these issues on the respondents and their families. Additional data include sources of information on the state of world hunger, such as various types of media, other people, and churches/organizations, as well as where respondents had donated money in the past two years, e.g., UNICEF, American Cancer Society, overseas relief work, and special disaster funds. Demographic data include age, education, family status, race and ethnicity, religion, income, and travel experience.
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Home » State » Vermont » Vocational » Cosmetology
Cosmetology is the art of helping people look the way they want through hairstyling and other beauty treatments. A cosmetologist needs not only great haircutting and styling skills, they also need to understand peoples' personal aspirations about how they want to look.
If you would like to work in cosmetology you will need some training from a cosmetology school. Your training will give you plenty of job opportunities in the busy cosmetology industry. You may work in a salon as a hair-stylist, manicurist, or make-up advisor. You will also find opportunities to work in the sale and marketing of cosmetology products if you want to try something different.


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The only difference between me and a madman... is that I'm not mad...DALI
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1973 R75/5-- toaster curry orange
2001 325xit-- titanium silver
14A goes through the Bighorns, too.
Last time I was through was 2010 on the way to Redmond, and it was under construction *big time* (as in, I was really glad I was on the GS and have good off-pavement skills...)
16 is also an extremely nice road, with lots of good camping along the way.
You know what I like best of my travels in middle USA? Crossed it dozens of times and its always the folks living there in the plains. They are nice folks, about everywhere and so easy to talk to, very friendly and will go out of their way to make you welcome. Just cannot beat that! I've had "more than once", been invited home to take shelter from storms that were VERY intimidating and dangerous. Complete strangers and just plain good people. I always enjoy the travels in the plains and so many complain about it. They just are not looking or hearing well!....Randy
'12 R1200GSA for solo rides
'10 R1200GSA with Hannigan dual sport sidecar for rides with Tulliver
For the Second Redmond rally I took US 20 from Omaha all the way west. The Pine Ridge in northern Nebraska is really quite scenic as are the sand hills. Wyoming, Idaho and Utah were nice on 20 also.
I'm looking hard at US 26 for most of the route. It seems to pass through some WILD geology along the way.
I live just off US 36 in Ohio and just south of US 30. Both are interesting roads I have used to go west.
US 30 is a more mixed bag. You get into city traffic as you go south of Chicago.
Give thought to US 12 past Minneapolis. The section across Idaho is one of the most beautiful roads I have ever been on.
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I suggest that you hop on Rt 20 at Dubuque Iowa. Then soak in the thrill of riding across The High Plains. Treat your self to the Field of Dreams movie site at Dresden. The rolling hills west of Sioux will be green and lush. The great expanse of western Nebraska is simply magnificent. Chadron is an oasis town with lush meadows, a small college and has the Museum of the Fur Trade on Rt 20. Did you know that Nebraska has several National Forests? You will pass by them. Stop at Fort Robinson just west of Chadron, you will be blown away by the story of this fort. There is camping here as well as rooms in the fort. Eat in the officers mess. You could stay on 20 all the way to Salem if you wish.
I have ridden to the West some 20 times and it took me a number of trips to discover that the High Plains offer great riding and an experience offered no where else in the world!! This vast area is full of hidden treasures and is much more than simply a place that must be crossed to reach the mountains.
I will be on this ride to Oregon departing central Pa July 12th. Enjoy!!
By the way, Rt 36 is great also. In fact I have often used 20 and 36 to make a loop out of western trips. However Rt 20 is the more interesting in my opinion.
Happy trails Barley!
Don't forget the awesome motorcycle museum at Anamosa Iowa.Worthcarving out time for a stop.
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The Ransom Center recently acquired ten tintype images from photographer Robb Kendrick. Tintype printing is a historical photo technique that was used primarily during the nineteenth century. The tintypes acquired are each handmade and one-of-a-kind.
The acquired tintypes vary in subject matter from portraits to landscapes to cacti. Several of Kendrick's photographs were taken on location for National Geographic, and many were taken for personal projects. Kendrick's most recent wet-plate work documented the working cowboy for the December 2007 issue of National Geographic. The photographs were taken in 14 western states, Mexico, and Canada. These photographs were then collected in the critically acclaimed book Revealing Character.
Kendrick's documentary photography regularly appears in National Geographic, but he also frequently works with wet-plate photography. Kendrick currently splits time between Austin and San Miguel de Allende, Mexico, with his wife and two sons.
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A study from the University of Granada based on police surveys indicates that in domestic violence crimes in which the woman kills her abuser, if she is more attractive she is perceived as guiltier.
From a social psychology point of view, it has been noticed that physical attractiveness has an influence on how people are perceived by others in labour, academic and even legal fields. On the one hand, this creates the mental association of "what is beautiful is good". On the other hand though, when it comes to domestic violence the results are different.
"One of the most interesting conclusions of the study was that when the woman accused of killing her abuser was attractive, participants attached greater culpability, whereas if considered 'unattractive', this decreases," as explained to SINC by Antonio Herrera, Inmaculada Valor-Segura and Francisca Expósito, the authors of the study published in The European Journal of Psychology Applied to Legal Context.
For the purposes of the study, two types of 'mock' stories about legal proceedings were invented in which the defendant was a woman accused of killing her husband. Her defence was that she had suffered prolonged domestic violence and thus acted in self-defence when killing him. In one of the stories the description of the woman coincided with the prototypical battered woman but in the other it did not.
"Therefore, half of the participating police officers read the story in which the accused is young, battered, physically deteriorated and fragile. She has children and is financially dependent on her partner. The other half read a story in which the woman is childless, she works as a financial consultant, she has been married for 10 years and during legal proceedings she is well-dressed and resolute and calm in her interactions with the judge and lawyers," explain the authors.
The researchers asked the participants to take on the role of the jury and answer a series of questions related to their perceptions of credibility, responsibility and situation control generated by the descriptions of the women. They were also asked about their sexist ideology.
The prototype of the battered woman
The authors outline that one of the variables having the greatest effect on the woman's perceived criminality rating is whether or not she fits the stereotype of the battered woman. This is named prototypicality.
"The results showed that when dealing with a non-prototypical battered woman (in other words, someone who does not conform to society's idea of such women), they were seen to have more control over the situation, which in legal terms can translate as a higher degree of guilt," confirm the researchers.
Another variable linked to the 'jury's' judgement on the case was the level of participant's sexism. In this respect, those who scored higher in their hostile rating (also called traditional sexism or machismo) attached more situational control to the accused.
"Despite its possible limitations, this study warns of the need to increase training related to the handling of domestic violence cases for all law enforcement officers and police. Their work is fundamental in the process and can be conditioned by external variables, such as physical attractiveness or stereotypical beliefs of domestic violence," conclude the authors.
The sample used in the study comprised 169 police officers from the Spanish State Security Forces. They were taken from different cities in Spain and the majority of participants were men (153 men and 16 women).
Explore further: When battered women fight back stereotyping can kick in
More information:
Antonio Herrera, Inmaculada Valor-Segura, Francisca Expósito. Is miss sympathy a credible defendant alleging intimate partner violence in a trial for murder? The European Journal of Psychology Applied to Legal Context, 4 (2), 99-196. 2012.


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I've just left the junk email filter turned off in ZASS and set the option from my ISP (Verizon) to turn theirs on.
I get a few spam messages, but not many.
I've just left the junk email filter turned off in ZASS and set the option from my ISP (Verizon) to turn theirs on.
I get a few spam messages, but not many.
I've been reading the posts about the problems with V8.0 so I have not upgraded.
But, I was wondering if anyone has been able to use it long enough to know if this very old OE crash problem has been fixed?
I had the crash problem with the junk mail filter and had to turn it off for the last several months. I upgraded to version 8 a few days ago and the crash does seem to be fixed. However, the actual spam filter process is so slow, I may again have to turn it off. I'm wondering if I have too many addresses in my white list - my next task will be to remove all or most of them and see if this helps if speed continues to be an issue.
I know others have had problems, but I'm glad I upgraded to 8.
OK - OK - I take it back. I thought that Version 8 fixed the problem, but it didn't - the last time I lost my entire email. I've shut junk mail filtering off again. Please let me know if anyone has a fix - meantime, I have work to do.
Simply amazing!
A major release and that problem is still there.
Some time has passed, so I'll ask the question again:
Has this problem been fixed in release 8.0.247?
Can anyone confirm?
I would also like to know the answer to the question. It's been a year and I know have my junk mail filtering turned off. Time to renew, wonder if should renew ZA Suite or pick another that does not crash our systems. Would prefer to stay with ZA, but miss email junk mail filtering.
My renewal just came up and I did renew ZASS for my 2 WinXP SP3 PCs, but that is just to keep getting the new virus & spyware definition files for the release I have installed - 7.0.483.
Considering the problems that plagued the early releases of 8.0.xxx, I have been ignoring the reminders that the new version is available.
There are probably other improvements in this new version, but 7.0.483 has been working fine for me.
If the OE6 Reply/Forward problem were confirmed to be fixed, I would be more inclined to go through the pains of upgrading.
But if the problem is still there, I see no reason to upgrade.
DenverDave - In your earlier posts here, you said you upgraded to version 8.
Can you test it by turning the junk mail filter back on?
Which version of 8.0.xxx are you running?
Gary A
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Mosquitos love Florida budget cuts
James David's job of controlling mosquitoes in a part of Florida that Spanish explorers once dubbed "Los Mosquitos" is often futile.
But this year, the fight "feels like a sort of hand-to-hand combat," said David, the mosquito control and coastal services director for St. Lucie County in southeast Florida.
In the past two years, David's local government has cut 42 percent of mosquito control funding and a quarter of his staff. This year, the state slashed its contribution to local mosquito control by half.
Just weeks ago, with a line-item veto, Republican Governor Rick Scott closed a university mosquito lab that David had relied on for pesticide research.
All this comes as most local mosquito control officials agree the mosquito situation is the worst they have seen since 1998, when El Nino caused rampant rains and the pesky insects that come with them, said Shelly Redovan, executive director of the Florida Mosquito Control Association.
"It's a bad mosquito year," Redovan said. "And when you've also got reduced funding, it's going to be tough."
Florida's depressed property values and high foreclosure rates have left the state with fewer tax dollars to spend, and nearly every facet of public life has been touched as lawmakers try to pay the state's bills.
Yet effective management of mosquitoes has been so closely linked to the state's prosperity that mosquito control officials fear they are victims of their own success.
"We should never, ever forget from where we've come," said Angela Weeks-Samanie, an environmental specialist with the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, which administers the state mosquito control funds.
"In the blink of an eye, we could go back to where we were when Florida was uninhabitable."Mosquitoes have been part of the state's recorded history since the arrival of the first European settlers. The Spanish, French and English all recounted tales of sleeping on the beach, covered in sand, to escape them.
When Florida was being considered for statehood, U.S. congressmen debated whether mosquitoes would prevent it from ever being a suitable place to live.
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You go, guys, but…what can I do to support a charity fundraiser for men's health issues when the gimmick is to grow a moustache? It's not as if I can grow a second one. I guess all I can do is urge all of you poor barefaced men to join Movember, and let your face do its manly thing.
But then, there's the dilemma — I have to tell you to not shave it off in December, so you won't be able to do it again. What's with all these guys with naked lips, anyway? Don't you get cold? How do you filter plankton?


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Land Of The Sweets!!14 12 2011
It's Opening Night here in Seattle. The 6th Annual Land of the Sweets Production. I'm currently in the Triple Door awaiting our tech run. Am I nervous? I can't really say honestly. The rehearsal process for this show began back in October. My performing character "Hazel Cupari" emerges tonight as a Tap dancer and Arabian body guard. Oh, how I must mention the finale-but thats a suprise for audience members. The stage is being set, costumes are being unpacked, and dancers sit before mirrors in the dressing rooms preparing for the camera. I guess this will really hit me in a couple hours. I can feel it.
*Deep breathing, inhale/exhale #letsdothis
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Bolton's Pressure on C.I.A. Analyst Angered Colleagues
By DOUGLAS JEHL; Steven R. Weisman contributed reporting for this article.
Published: April 16, 2005
An attempt in 2002 by John R. Bolton to remove the national intelligence officer for Latin America from his post prompted John E. McLaughlin, the deputy director of central intelligence, to intervene against the request, according to current and former intelligence officials.
Mr. McLaughlin's previously undisclosed role is being reviewed by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee as it considers the nomination of Mr. Bolton to be ambassador to the United Nations. In testimony last week, Mr. Bolton acknowledged that he had sought to have the intelligence officer, Fulton T. Armstrong, reassigned.
The incident is one of at least three being reviewed by the committee in which Mr. Bolton sought the removal of subordinates or intelligence officials during his time as an under secretary of state. Senate Democrats who oppose Mr. Bolton's nomination intend to highlight the infighting as an indication that Mr. Bolton's actions toward subordinates were inappropriate enough to require action by other senior officials.
In his Senate testimony, Mr. Bolton described his request for Mr. Armstrong's transfer, made during a visit to Stuart A. Cohen, then the acting chairman of the National Intelligence Council, in July 2002, as ''one part of one conversation with one person one time.'' He said he had acted because he had lost confidence in Mr. Armstrong and had not been satisfied with his performance on several intelligence matters.
Mr. Bolton's responsibilities at the time included overseeing intelligence estimates on Cuba, though Mr. Armstrong did not report to him.
But in an interview on April 8 with the Senate committee staff, according to a memorandum written by the Democratic staff, Mr. Cohen described Mr. Bolton's request as unusual, saying it was one of only two occasions he could recall in which senor Bush administration officials had traveled to C.I.A. headquarters to complain about one of his subordinates. The other occasion was a related visit by Otto Reich, a close ally of Mr. Bolton's, who also sought Mr. Armstrong's removal.
Three former and current intelligence officials confirmed Mr. Cohen's reservations about the request. Mr. Cohen, who is still a C.I.A. employee, was not available to comment, the agency said.
''Mr. Cohen listened to those concerns, took them seriously, fully investigated them and determined that they were without merit,'' according to the summary written by the Democratic staff, which was made available late Friday. The notes say that Mr. Cohen presented the issue on several occasions to Mr. McLaughlin, and that Mr. McLaughlin stated that he was not going to remove Mr. Armstrong from his position.
One former intelligence official said Mr. McLaughlin had ''laid his body down'' to block the request from Mr. Bolton.
John C. Gannon, who preceded Mr. Cohen as chairman of the National Intelligence Council, said in an interview on Friday that he believed that Mr. Bolton's behavior had been ''inexcusable.''
''If you don't like the results of analysis, then you don't accept it,'' said Mr. Gannon, who left government recently after serving as the Republican-appointed staff director of the Senate Homeland Security Committee. ''But you don't try to remove the people whose view you disagree with.''
Robert L. Hutchings, who succeeded Mr. Cohen as head of the intelligence council, said the effects of Mr. Bolton's objections to Mr. Armstrong had lingered as late as last year, when the officer was not included in a briefing team assigned to discuss with other senior officials the result of a new intelligence estimate on Cuba to which Mr. Bolton had objected.
''There was a group of firebrands who we figured would not like the judgment,'' Mr. Hutchings said in a telephone interview on Friday, making clear that he included Mr. Bolton among that group. ''We anticipated that the findings would be unwelcome in some quarters, and we wanted to depersonalize this thing as much as we could, to make clear that it was the assessment of the intelligence community, and not a particular individual.'' Mr. Hutchings now holds a teaching post at Princeton University.
Democrats on the Senate committee blocked a vote on Mr. Bolton this week and have been seeking to persuade Senator Lincoln D. Chafee, Republican of Rhode Island, to join them in opposing the nomination. Mr. Chafee said earlier this week that testimony about Mr. Bolton's treatment of subordinates had been compelling but that he still did not see a pattern of abuse in Mr. Bolton's behavior. A committee meeting at which a vote is expected is scheduled for Tuesday.
Appearing on Friday before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice defended Mr. Bolton in response to a question from the audience. ''I have known him as someone who is intelligent and strong and who is going to go after any job that he is given with a lot of fervor and interest and commitment,'' she said.
Democratic Congressional officials said the Senate committee was also reviewing an episode that was first disclosed Friday by The Washington Post. This case revolves around the transfer of a young career State Department officer, Rexon Y. Ryu, whom Mr. Bolton had accused of insubordination for failing to produce a document requested by Mr. Bolton's chief of staff.
''We looked into the matter,'' John S. Wolf, a former assistant secretary of state for nonproliferation, said of the complaints about Mr. Ryu from Mr. Bolton's aides. ''We decided that what he did was inadvertent, and we told that to Mr. Bolton's office.'' Mr. Wolf, now president of the Eisenhower Fellowships in Philadelphia, praised Mr. Ryu as ''a really thoughtful, highly creative star at the State Department.''
The Democrats on the committee are also reviewing Mr. Bolton's tenure at the Justice Department in 1988, when he led the civil division and was involved in a bitter dispute with a senior attorney over the length of her maternity leave.


text: I was reading the thread on grunting, which bothers me somewhat. But stalling i cannot stand. It totally throws me off me game. Bouncing the ball excessively, sitting between points for a long time, toweling off, talking, all annoy me. But the one that gets me the most is what i call the "ball trick". It can be done a number of ways. One way is hitting a faulted 1st serve into the net then holding your hand up and slowly go to the net and clear the ball back to the back fence. Another "ball trick" is after you hit a dead ball back to the server; he then hits that ball back to the fence, then goes back to the fence to retireve it. These 2 stalling tactics really get to me. Many players probably don't even realize these 2 subtle stalling tactics when they are being done to them.