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Success! FF has updated and is not longer in conflict with ZA Extreme Security. Now that the FF profile is no longer corrupted, the browser is much faster than it previously was and it also remembers my "ask me every time" choices regarding my selected preference (in 'Options\Privacy') for whether I allow or deny cookies and, so far, I also haven't experienced the issue where I had to reboot because a firefox.exe process was still running after I had closed FF (the running 'firefox.exe' process would prevent me from reopening FF, and the 'firefox.exe' process could not be stopped with 'end process' in task manager).
Previous ZA forum excerpts have been helpful, but here are the thorough steps I employed to resolve the ZA/FF conflict issues that arise when FF AUTOMATICALLY UPDATES (more on that later):
1) Backup your FF bookmarks from 'Organise Bookmarks' (which is found in the FF 'Bookmarks' drop-down menu). Save this file to your desktop. After reinstalling FF (which will not happen until much later, towards the end of this process) you will reinstall your bookmarks, again from the 'Organise Bookmarks' dialogue, choosing the 'Import from file' option and selecting to import the saved Bookmarks file which is on your desktop. If nothing happens after you import this file (i.e. the Bookmarks have not reappeared in your new installation of FF) you may have to rename the file on your desktop if, as happened in my case, the file you originally saved did not appear to have an extension. I had to add the extension ".json" to the filename before I could import the backed-up bookmarks successfully.
2) Backup your plug-ins and extensions. For the plug-ins, open Windows Explorer (Start\All Programs\Accessories\Windows Explorer) and go to 'C\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\Plugins' and copy the Plugins folder to your desktop.
2a) For the extensions, again from Windows Explorer, go to '(Your User Name)\App Data\Roaming\Mozilla\FireFox\Profiles\Extensions' and copy this folder to your desktop.
3) If, like me, you also save your website login passwords using the FF master password feature, then also make sure that you make a copy of the following files from your old profile before you remove the FF program: go to User Name\App Data\Roaming\Mozilla\FireFox\Profiles and click on the default Profile sub-folder, which will look like: '********.default'. Find the following files in that default profile folder and also save them to your desktop:
'Key3' (Data Base File)
'Signons.sqlite' (SQLITE File)
For future reference: once you have finished reinstalling FF, and you have imported your backed-up Bookmarks successfully, you will want to return to all of the above Windows Explorer locations and after 'copying all' (Ctrl + A) the contents of the Plugins and Extensions folders you previously saved to your desktop, you will paste these copied files into the appropriate folders of the new FF installation (again, using same location paths as described above). When asked if you want to replace an existing file with the copied file of the same name, say yes and always click on the file that has the most recent 'Created' date.
Then go to the default profile location of your new FF installation (again, same location path as described above for your default profile) and first rename the saved passwords files to 'Key3OLD' and 'Signons.sqliteOLD' (without the quotation marks). Now copy (from your saved files on your desktop) these two files and paste them into the default profile folder. Once you have verified that they copied successfully, delete the OLD files.
But, we haven't reinstalled FF yet, so those last couple of paragraphs are for your future reference!
4) Now, from Control Panel\Programs\Uninstall Programs: uninstall the FireFox program. DO NOT elect to save your settings, bookmarks, etc. (if I remember correctly, this means that you will not 'tick' the box that saves all of your old Profile's personal information). You don't need to do this because of all of the back-up files you've just made (the files you saved to your desktop) and by not ticking this option, you will ensure that you will be installing a 'clean' profile when you re-install FF.
5) Delete any and all Mozilla Firefox folders you can find in Windows Explorer. These will be found in the same location paths described previously, above. If like me, you also use the Mozilla app Thunderbird or any other Mozilla app, ensure that you are only deleting 'Mozilla Firefox' folders, sub-folders and files. Most of them will have been removed anyway when you uninstalled the FF application, but you will find that there are some folders remaining that ought to be deleted.
6) If, like me, you have a Registry Cleaner application that you trust, and you know how to use it (because such applications can be quite dangerous for those users who do not have a good understanding of their Registry's components) then run your Registry Cleaner at this time to remove obsolete Registry keys and values that are left over from your old FF installation. I use the 'Registry First Aid' platinum version product from Rose City Software, which is a good product, as it allows me to clean and correct the Registry by 'safety levels'. I always elect to repair the first two levels of found errors, which are the 'Safe' and 'Caution' categories, whilst ignoring the errors in the category 'Extreme Caution', as 'fixing' these errors might mean that your computer no longer boots up! Always save a copy of your Registry to your desktop before doing such a 'clean' for the first time (go to: Start\Run\RegEdit\File\Export). If you screw up, you can always boot into 'Safe Mode' and re-install your previous Registry version from your desktop Registry backup.
If, like me, you had FF issues because of ZoneAlarm Extreme Security, and your FF profile was corrupted after the most recent FF upgrade occurred, now it is time to pay attention to the ZA application.
AT THIS POINT we have only completed backing up FF files and then uninstalling the previous FF program. We have not reinstalled any programs yet!
7) OPEN YOUR ZA program 'Control Centre' (by right-clicking on the ZA icon in your taskbar tray) and go to 'Overview\Product Info' and make sure that you COPY your License number information to a separate WordPad document that you save to your desktop. If you don't copy this number, you will run into trouble when re-installing your ZA product!
8) From Control Panel, uninstall your ZA application. After doing this, if you have a live internet connection, I recommend that you go to Control Panel\Security\Turn Windows Firewall On or Off and turn it on, as ZA automatically shuts down the Windows firewall when ZA is running, and it's always good to have a firewall running if you're connected to the internet.
9) If during your Uninstall process you do not see a black DOS window appear, running 'cpes_clean' (which is ZA's tool for removing all associated ZA files from your computer) then at this point, do a Google on that file name, locate it, download it and run it. Make sure that you are downloading the file from the ZA website. If you can't find it, then use ZA's 'live chat' feature in their website's support section and the ZA agent will be happy to send it to you.
10) ZA uninstall complete? Now run your Registry Cleaner again (if you're using one). Also, check around in the usual locations in Windows Explorer for any 'CheckPoint' (ZA's parent firm) or ZoneAlarm folders, sub-folders or files that have not been removed during the Uninstall process and delete them.
11) Now it is time to re-install your FF browser. You must do this before you re-install your ZA application! Download the most recent version (3.6.6) from Mozilla and install. Go through the procedures described above for copying or importing your bookmarks, add-ons, extensions, saved passwords, etc.
IMPORTANT: Now go to your FF 'Options\Advanced\Update' tab and make sure you tick "Ask me what I want to do" regarding 'When Firefox updates are found', as this is what caused the whole problem to begin with. Your FF profile became corrupted because you were still running ZA Extreme Security (or some other ZA firewall application) at the time that your FF browser automatically updated to a newer version.
IN THE FUTURE, when FF asks you whether you would like to update to a newer version, always say 'no' and close FF. Then shutdown ZA from your taskbar 'tray' (right-click on your ZA icon and 'Shutdown'). You may want to temporarily turn on your Windows firewall at this point, as ZA always shuts down the Windows firewall when it is running (as it's not a good thing to have two firewall apps running at the same time).
Now restart your FF browser and from 'Help', 'Check for Updates' and install the latest version of FF. After FF restarts, you may check that you have installed the most recent version by going to 'Help', 'About Mozilla Firefox'.
Close FireFox.
12) Now go to the ZA website and engage the 'live support chat' option under Support. Ask the ZA representative to send you the download file for the most recent version of your ZA application (in my case, ZA Extreme Security).
13) Re-install ZA. Copy and paste your previously saved License number in the appropriate field during the installation process. This will ensure that you don't have to purchase the product again!
We're done. Congratulations.


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HI! I'm Katie, and I'm in high school in the united states. I like indie music, Matthew Lewis, popcorn, blogging, and Skins UK. I took a long break from the HPFF world but I think I'm ready to start again!

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I have a client/friend that I had buy ZA Pro (ver 6) and he put a password on it but has now forgotten what it was.We have tried all the passwords, names, etc that he can think of to no avail. Because of the password, ZA thinks thatit is connected to a "new" network when the machine is rebooted and he cannot get online.Is there any way to reset the password on the machine? (windows 2000 pro)
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AN AMERICAN IN BUDAPEST ... Phillip Done, who taught for five years at Fairmeadow and Duveneck elementary schools and authored "32 Third Graders and One Class Bunny: Life Lessons From Teaching," is now teaching overseas and writing a blog, "An American in Budapest." You can find him at www.anamericaninbudapest.com.
ASTROTHEOLOGY ... RoseDog Books has recently released a book by John Gurley, a former economics professor at Stanford University. "The Astro-Bible According to John: OR God's Creation of the Universe OR The Whole Shebang Without the Big Bang" is a collection of lectures about the impact of astronomy and astrology on the Bible, originally given at a retirement home near Stanford. Information: www.rosedogbookstore.com
MOM VS. GRANDMA ... Donne Davis, a Menlo Park author and founder of the GaGa Sisterhood, a support group for grandmothers, has published her first book,"When Being a Grandma Isn't So Grand: 4 Keys to L.O.V.E. Your Grandchild's Parents." The book arose from a popular topic discussed at the GaGa Sisterhood meetings, and offers perspectives from both moms and grandmas. Information: www.amazon.com
MEET THE AUTHORS ... Upcoming authors and programs at Keplers, 1010 El Camino Real, Menlo Park, include Sean Beaudoin, "The Infects," Kevin Emerson, "The Lost Code," Cat Patrick, "Revived" and
Martha Brockenbrough, "Devine Intervention" (March 1, 7:30 p.m.); Peter Lerangis, "Seven Wonders: The Colussus Rises" (March 5, 7 p.m.); Joyce Carol Oates, "The Accursed" (March 6, 7:30 p.m.); Katie Mishra, "Gukky Tales: The Quest for the Golden Quarter" (March 7, 7 p.m.); and Elizabeth Kessler, "Picturing the Cosmos: Hubble Space Telescope Images and the Astronomical Sublime" (March 13, 7:30 p.m.). Eat, Drink, Talk and Swap Books: An Evening at Kepler's (March 16, 6:30 p.m.) offers people a chance to trade a book and get a free Advanced Reader's Edition of a book from Kepler's. Tickets are $25 (plus service fee). Information: www.keplers.com
YOUNG ADULTS ... The Palo Alto Children's Library will present Gail Carriger, who will talk about her Young Adult series debut "Etiquette & Espionage" at 6:30 p.m. on Feb. 22, at the Downtown Branch, 270 Forest Ave., Palo Alto. Information: www.booksinc.net
AUTHORS' LUNCHEON ... AAUW of Palo Alto will hold its fourth annual Authors' Luncheon at noon on Feb. 23 at Michaels at Shoreline, 2960 Shoreline Blvd., Mountain View. Featured authors are Lewis Buzbee, "The Yellow-Lighted Bookstore"; Bo Caldwell, "From the Distant Land of My Father"; C.J. Noonan, "The House on Harrigan's Hill"; and Lalita Tademy, "Cane River." Tickets are $40; checks can be made out to AAUW PA and sent to Barbara Evans at 1096 Metro Circle, Palo Alto, CA 94303. Proceeds benefit Tech Trek science camp scholarships. Information: www.aauw-paloalto.org
THE ARRIVAL OF MODERNITY ... Ernest Freeberg, author of "The Age of Edison: Electric Light and the Invention of Modern America," will have a conversation with Computer History Museum CEO John Hollar on Thursday, March 14, with the program at noon, followed by a book signing at the museum, 1401 N. Shoreline Blvd., Mountain View. The book places the story of Edison's invention in the context of a technological revolution. Information: www.computerhistory.org, www.keplers.com
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Injured Blue Jays pitchers making progress
By Gregor Chisholm / MLB.com
SARASOTA, Fla. -- Right-hander Chad Jenkins is nearing his return to the mound following a prolonged absence because of a sore right shoulder.
Jenkins hasn't pitched since Feb. 24 against the Orioles, but he played catch Thursday morning and could be in line for a bullpen session Friday.
The 25-year-old is expected to start the season at Triple-A Buffalo but could become a valuable depth option if anything happens to Toronto's starting five.
"Definitely felt good the last two days and today looked good playing catch, stretching it out at probably 150 feet," pitching coach Pete Walker said Thursday morning. "Tomorrow we'll get him off the mound, and if he recovers well the next day, progress him and get him moving."
Walker also provided updates on Casey Janssen and Sergio Santos, who are expected to play a pivotal role at the back end of Toronto's bullpen this season.
Janssen, who has yet to appear in a Grapefruit League game, felt fine after throwing his second bullpen session of the spring Wednesday. The 31-year-old is set to throw another bullpen Saturday and could advance to pitching against live hitters relatively soon.
Santos was expected to pitch Saturday against Detroit but has now been pushed back until Tuesday. He had a recent MRI because of a sore right triceps muscle, but the results did not reveal any structural damage.
"I think it was just to kind of make sure everything was fine," Walker said. "Everything checked out good. We're just giving him one more day. He wanted to play catch today; he was disappointed he couldn't play catch today. He said he felt great; we'll let him play catch tomorrow and go from there."
Right-hander Dustin McGowan also received clearance to continue his rehab after feeling no ill effects from Tuesday's bullpen session.
"He has felt good, felt good again today playing catch," Walker said. "In his words, he felt great. I'm very encouraged with that, and we'll take it day by day.
"He was beaming again. He is playing catch, letting it go a little bit, feeling good. I think we're all pretty encouraged about that."
Buehrle upset with walks in Thursday outing
SARASOTA, Fla. -- Mark Buehrle is known for his control within the strike zone, but he was uncharacteristically wild Thursday afternoon against Baltimore.
Buehrle surrendered one run on two hits while walking three over two innings of work. The veteran lefty said he felt great overall, but the walks are one thing to which he has always been averse.
"I hate walking guys," said Buehrle, who issued just 40 free passes in 202 1/3 innings last season. "I know I get myself in trouble, but if it's 3-1, 3-0, I'd rather throw a couple of strikes to get the guy to put the ball in play.
"But sometimes a walk is needed, if a guy hits a home run obviously a walk would have been better because he's still on base. But I've always hated walking guys; it just bugs the [heck] out of me."
One of Buehrle's issues Thursday afternoon was with the mound at Ed Smith Stadium. Buehrle felt fine warming up but said there was a large discrepancy between the mound in the bullpen and the mound on the field.
"I'm not usually that wild, and everything was up in the first inning," Buehrle said. "I'm not making excuses, but you have to adjust, but it seems like the one down in the bullpen was super high, and that one was super low, so it was throwing me off.
"But I have to make the adjustment. I'd rather give up 10 hits and no walks than five hits and five walks. I absolutely hate walking guys, so that's the frustrating part, but I felt great."
Buehrle was making his third start of the spring and has now allowed four runs in 5 1/3 innings. That should not be overly alarming, as Buehrle said his numbers in the spring are usually poor, as evidenced by his 4.42 ERA since 2006 compared with a 3.82 mark for his regular-season career.
Rasmus still absent in Thursday's defeat
SARASOTA, Fla. -- Colby Rasmus' return to the Blue Jays lineup has been delayed yet again.
Rasmus was expected to start Thursday against Baltimore but has now been pushed back until at least Saturday. It's the second time in the past week that Rasmus was supposed to play only to have his return date moved back.
Manager John Gibbons said there was nothing to read into regarding Thursday's lineup change and that it had more to do with Toronto's Spring Training schedule than anything else.
"Instead of rushing something to get two-at-bats after a drive all the way to Orlando tomorrow," Gibbons said before Thursday's game, "We'll give him two full games on the weekend."
Rasmus has not played since Feb. 27 because of a sore right shoulder. He recently resumed full workouts and should still have plenty of time to round into form prior to the start of the regular season.
Gregor Chisholm is a reporter for MLB.com. Read his blog, North of the Border, and follow him on Twitter @gregorMLB. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


text: Okay, after much soal searching and wondering, I bid on and won a brand new Phaff 1.5 Ambition sewing machine on ebay last night. It is still in its original unopened box. I bid 670.00 & with shipping the total price was 723.83. I am excited, but not sure if it is a good deal or not. Most Phaffs I have seen run over 1000.00. Too late to change my mind now, so good deal or not, I am getting a new machine. Can't wait till I get it. You opinions, please.


text: Anybody seen this movie yet? Wifey and I wanted to go see it but the negative reviews kept us home. Mojo reports that it only made 6 million over the weekend. That's pretty low for a horror movie that has been advertised ever since its inception. Though the budget is 16 million and I am sure they would recover that, but a 6 million weekend opening for a Megan Fox movie seems unnatural.


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Calming a Mustang Stud
- Jun 5, 2014
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Most geldings are less energetic and strong-willed than stallions. So, people often describe them as "quieting down." However, castration alone will not fix "wild and spooky."
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Q. Last fall I adopted a wild mustang stud. It is my first horse. Should this guy be fixed? Will it calm his wild and spooky attitude? Can you tell me how you do it? I want to start training him this spring.
Will, Alabama
A. Having your mustang stallion fixed is probably a good plan, particularly since he is your first horse. Let's start with what it is and how it is done. The horse "fixing" procedure is known by many names. The most popular in this country are gelding or cutting, or the medical term castration. The procedure involves surgically removing the testicles. It is a veterinary procedure that can be done on the farm, in most cases. Depending on factors the veterinarian will carefully consider at the time, gelding can be done either under heavy sedation with the horse standing or under brief general anesthesia (asleep and lying down). Once the horse is sedated and prepared, the actual surgery usually takes only a few minutes. Again, depending on the age of the horse and the farm conditions, the veterinarian will recommend observation and aftercare for discomfort and swelling. This can include medications, as well as daily hosing of the scrotal area and hind limbs. Recommendations also will likely include light exercise in as clean and insect-free environment as possible. Your veterinarian will explain the risks and the specific care for your horse and farm situation.
Now, what can you expect behavior-wise from your gelded mustang? Removal of the testicles eliminates the major hormones that drive male sexual and aggressive behavior. So, after castration, the behavior of most horses changes. The horse generally will show considerably less interest in fighting with other males or herding and breeding mares. Geldings vary in just how much stallion-like behavior they retain. For example, some will still herd, tease, and mount mares as if they were a stallion.
Most geldings are less energetic and strong-willed than stallions. So, people often describe them as "quieting down." But your question about your mustang's "wild and spooky" behavior raises an important point. Castration alone will not fix "wild and spooky." A mare which has no male hormones can be just as wild and spooky as a stallion. Taming will require gentle, non-threatening handling that builds trust between the horse and people and acclimates it to all the new sights and sounds of a domestic farm. A single wild mustang is especially vigilant and reactive to everything in its new environment since he can no longer rely on herdmates to share the job of looking out for and responding to danger.
You might have heard of some of the horse training or "starting" techniques that are particularly helpful with previously wild or unhandled horses. Variations have been popularized by Pat Parelli, John Lyons, Monty Roberts, Linda Tellington-Jones, and others. Basic round pen work described by most of these trainers is a very good way to start with an unhandled or wild horse. Any of the gentle training or starting methods are a good way for a first-time horse owner to get organized. Your veterinarian might be able to recommend someone locally who could mentor you with your mustang. I imagine it would be helpful for you to have someone show you step-by-step how they succeeded with taming and training a mustang. If you have access to the Internet, you can likely find resources specific to mustang taming and training.
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visuall c++ installed on my pc is doing non-sense stuff.
like using any control variable when i type, "m_Variable." the list of functions pop up. when i scroll this list ,MSDEV displays message , "This file conatins lines longer than the 2048 character maximum.The Lines will be wrapped"
after this MSDEV crashes.... i uninstalled visual c++ and installed again but problem is still there..
please can any1 guide why it is happeneing so...
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I am sure that the newspaper has been deluged with letters, memories and well-wishes from the thousands of people who H.R. Richardson personally touched. I am also sure that each came with a unique story detailing the deep way in which Mr. Richardson impacted the author. I suppose it is the only way to appropriately remember a man such as he.
My son is in kindergarten at Taylor County Elementary School. On Tuesday, April 22, his class went outside on school premises to pick up trash for Earth Day. Although it was a good lesson for the kids to take care of the earth, I wish my son would have brought home a permission slip.
I definitely would not have signed it, giving him permission to go into the weeds to pick up trash. He got such a bad case of poison ivy that he ended up in the emergency room. Luckily, we stopped the poison ivy with a shot and medication.
Baseball has existed in this country for more than 150 years now. Labeled, "America's Pastime," it has brought fun and excitement to all 50 states.
You can walk into any sporting goods store and find a plethora of equipment. Every kid practically has a chance to play Pee Wee, Little League, Babe Ruth, not to mention school ball. With all the history that comes with baseball, it's hard to believe that it's dying, but it is.
The American Cancer Society is dedicated to eliminating cancer as a major health problem. Our signature fundraising event, Relay For Life, is right around the corner in Taylor County on June 6-7. Relay teams are working hard to reach their personal fundraising goals and are canvassing the community asking for donations and hosting events to raise money for the cause.
While it is true that Democrat Barak Hussien Muhammed Obama who is running for the Democratic nominee for President has a Muslim father who is from the country of Kenya and has other relatives living there, that does not necessarily make him a Muslim or a racist.
My name is George Coyle. I am a Vietnam era veteran with two honorable discharges. I was recently diagnosed with throat cancer at the V.A. Hospital in Lexington and will receiving chemotherapy and radiation treatments five days a week, also in Lexington.
My wife draws Social Security disability. This is our only income. I found out April 23 that I was also approved for Social Security. We thought this was a godsend, but then we found out the rest of the story.
Two years ago this month, then-House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi made a promise to all of us regarding the high price of gasoline. Denouncing the "Republican Rubber Stamp Congress," she stated the Democrats had a plan to stop the spiraling cost of gasoline at the pump by "cracking down on price gouging, rolling back the billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies, tax breaks and royalty relief given to oil and gas companies, and increasing production of alternative fuels."
I don't see how Tom Fisher got his figures. I am not educated, but I come up with a lot more [money to operate fire substations] than he does.
Each substation has two persons per shift, three shifts per day, seven days a week. That is 168 hours per week per person (two persons) per substation. You pay for 336 hours per substation - $10 per hour - very, very conservative.
Then you have Social Security, Worker's Comp, health insurance, etc.
I am gathering nominations for a follow-up to my "Kentucky's Everyday Heroes" book, released earlier this year.
As in the first project, I'm looking for Kentuckians who "have successfully overcome extreme personal challenges and/or have given of themselves to others in an exemplary fashion - people who daily, and modestly, live their lives in what might be termed an heroic way."
Considered will be living persons from all geographical regions of the state, and ones who may be known only to the people they have positively influenced in their own locales.
This world is full of bad things. Ongoing medical epidemics such as AIDS and cancer are growing at a rapid pace. Hope that a cure can be found is abundant but still absent, or not yet known. Networks, such as CNN and Fox News, bring us the late breaking stories and feed pessimists the ammunition they need to survive.
From large to small, the world's problems affect us all, even in small town Kentucky where economic downturn leads us to cling to religion and guns.
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The LA Galaxy fell apart late in the California Clásico against the San Jose Earthquakes, but that was not without a herculean performance by Robbie Keane.
By dropping into midfield, the Galaxy captain played the role of distributor for the Galaxy as he helped create numerous opportunities for his teammates to get in behind the San Jose back four. The Irishman combined with Landon Donovan twice to create LA's two goals on the evening, but his performance could be felt throughout the field.
Let's break it down a bit…
SIX: The number of key passes – passes leading to a scoring opportunity—for Keane on the evening. Two of which ended up in the back of the net. Without a doubt, this is the most important statistic of the evening as Keane was repeatedly able to create chances for his teammates that directly tested the San Jose defense.
TWO: The number of shots for Keane. A bit of a surprising statistic when viewed at face value, but when one breaks down his distributor role, the picture becomes clearer. Keane's first shot of the evening, which came 43rd minute, forced a save from goalkeeper Jon Busch. However, his shot off frame in stoppage time—a play that I break down in my Three Points—may have proved costly as the Earthquakes erased LA's lead minutes later. The number two can also be used to describe his defensive impact as the Irishman made a pair of clearances and interceptions.
77%: The passing percentage for Keane on the evening. Keane completed 27 of his 35 attempts. All but three of those passes took place in the Earthquakes end of the field.
Numbers only tell so much of the story, however. Keane did not wish to speak about his own showing after the defeat, choosing rather to try and light a fire under his teammates with one particular quote toward the end of my sidebar on the match and issue a notice to the victorious Earthquakes.
Much was made about the return of the Earthquakes late game heroics, which was a team staple during their run to the MLS Supporters Shield, but the forward admitted that if it was a repeat of last season, then he'll take that just fine.
"It's fine if they can do that, no problem. If it's a repeat of last year then we'll take that because we beat them in the playoffs and won the championship," said Keane. "So I'll take that over any performance."


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Just telling our societies that Jesus is what they need isn't enough
In the current vitriolic and polarizing culture-war atmosphere, a Sermon on the Mount emphasis of giving mercy, going the second mile, turning the other cheek, and forgiving "70 times seven" would serve the cause of Christ far better than an angry stance that smacks of, "We're Christians and we're not going to take it anymore."
Recently I was at a stoplight, and the car in front of me had a bumper sticker that read: "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." The statement is attributed to Mahatma Gandhi. Of course it's overstated and far too much of a glaring generalization. But I find little comfort in that.
When I saw that bumper sticker, I wanted to get out of my car, walk up to the driver and apologize. I wanted to say something like: "I know. We have been far too unlike our Christ. Please forgive us."
We live in a world where much is wrong. And what is most wrong with the world is not the politics or the economy or who happens to be living in the White House. What is most wrong with the world is the human heart.
The greed and pride and lust of the human heart are the epicenter of all that is wrong with the world. We should realize this by now.
As followers of Christ, we are not so much called to know the answer or preach the answer as much as we are called to be the answer. This is how we are salt and light (also found in the Sermon on the Mount). We are to model the answer by being Christ-like in a Caesar-like world. This is what the Sermon on the Mount is all about.
The narrow (and difficult) way of the Golden Rule demands that we consider and not use others. The Golden Rule of considering others by giving them love, respect and mercy is the narrow gate that leads to salvation. Not because this is how salvation is earned, but because this is how salvation islived.
Using other people as objects to satisfy our self-centered agenda is absolutely the highway to hell—it is the kind of life that leads to the utter and final ruin of the human soul. When creatures created in the image of God cooperate with sin and Satan to use other image-bearing creatures as objects to satisfy their own greed and lust, they conspire to erase the image of God from their own souls. This is what Jesus is trying to save us from in teaching us the narrow way of the Golden Rule.
This is the Sermon on the Mount—to choose the Christ-like way of giving over the Caesar-like way of taking. To give mercy to the undeserving. To forgive the offender. To turn the other cheek to the enemy. To go the extra mile with the oppressor. To give the cloak to the scoundrel. To give cheerfully to the beggar. To forgive again and again. Seventy times seven.
This is the narrow way that Christ invites us to follow Him on. It is a hard and difficult way. But because it is Christ who invites us to follow, it is also possible.
Above all, it is the way that leads to life. Do we dare believe this? To be Christians means that we do believe this. And not only do we believe it; we live it. We live it in community with others who share our faith in Jesus Christ. Even more significantly, we live it in fellowship with the One who promised to never leave us or forsake us and to be with us on the narrow road to the end of the age.
Brian Zahnd is pastor of Word of Life Church in St. Joseph, Mo., and the author of What to Do on the Worst Day of Your Life and the new Unconditional? (Charisma House) from which this article is taken.
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bpeebles Posts: 4,085After researching and driving many vehicles, my wife and I knew we wanted a new Jetta. I researched the Jetta brochure and selected the GLS with TDI engine and Platinum-Grey color.
Went to nearest dealership and "orderd" the Jetta we desired. (One does not actually "order" a VW...but instead gets on a list for the next available vehicle that meets ones desires)
I put a downpayment down too.
After 2 months of waiting and calling the salesman weekly, I was informed that there is were 2 vehicles "on the dock" that meet my requirements and one was earmarked for me.
I received a "number" that represented my vehicle.
...wait .... wait.... wait... I called the salesman weekly asking where my new car is. Each time, I was given a different story. (Big snowstorm at the docks, trucker strike... etc etc)
Finally, I asked a VW person here on Edmunds about my "number" and he said it was showing as SOLD on the VW computer sytrem. I immedeatly called my salesman and after getting some more stories, he admiddited that it had been re-routed to another dealership and sold.
Giving the salesman the benifet of a doubt, I physically went in and sat with him. I had to FORCE him to printout the list of available Jettas on the east cost and we selected at least 4 vehicles that were EXACTLY what I wanted.... I left the dealership with the understanding that the sales-manager would be making some phonecalls and getting a vehicle for me.
Finally, I telephoned another dealership that was farther from my home and explained the above story. He said he could have my new Jetta on the lot in 3 days for the same price that I had negotated at the other dealership. I closed the deal over the phone.
Luckally, the origianl dealership gave me back my downpayment without any hassles.
Bottom line...
**The original dealership was obviously LYING to me at times and at the same time NOT TRYING to get me a vehicle.
**The second dealership has won my buisness and I have allready driven PAST the first dealersip several times to get oil changes and other sevice done.
Congrats on your new Jetta, but sorry to hear about the hassles you went through to get it. Would you mind sharing with people what you bought (color, options, etc.), price (minus taxes, tags, reg)? Also, what state or metro area you are in. It helps potential buyers know what deals are being done in their area.
Again - congrats!
I am interested in picking up a Jetta TDI and live in NE Ohio. Can anybody relate good or bad experiences with any local dealers. Previously I had a private mechanic work on my VW but times change and so do cars. Now I'm back in the car market and looking for others experiences. From what I've read a good dealer can make or break your VW experience.
Thanks in advance
galacticgli Posts: 1I just bought a 2004 Galactic Blue Jetta GLI with monsoon, sunroof, and leather for $22,931 ($24,964 out the door). I knew this was the car I wanted so I used vw.com to search the inventory dealers in my area. There was only one available with these exact specifications and it was approximately 80 miles away. I wasn't too excited about the distance, but requested a quote anyway. To my amazement, I got a reply back from the dealership's Internet Manager in less than 10 minutes with a quote of $22,931 ($1000 below invoice). That sounded good so my wife and I drove down on the weekend to check it out. The car had essentially just been driven off of the truck and hadn't been preped... it had 9 miles on it. Amazing. We took it for a test drive, liked it, and then told the Internet Manager that we'd take it. I also new that vw had .9% financing going on for 36 months, but when it came time to arrange for payment they did not want to let us take advantage of it... saying that the .9% financing wasn't valid for this "special" price. That didn't seem right so we basically told the Finance Manger (who the Internet Manager had handed us off to for no apparent reason) that this was a deal-breaker and got up to leave. That turned things around quickly... we got the .9%.
I think the dealers are having trouble moving Jettas lately. I'm sure they still made money on this deal... they wouldn't have sold us the car if they didn't. At least I hope they wouldn't!
So far, we are loving the Jetta!!!
I hope you enjoy your new jetta.....
I am wagon shopping as well as sedan shopping (because I can't find a wagon cheap enough that I can stand...i.e. not a Kia Rio Cinco) and I love the Jetta wagon but how close to $14K can I get?
Occupant1- how low can they go? What year do you want? In the 14K range you are probably looking at a 1999-2000 jetta. Right now with the 1.9% financing you might be able to move your number a little. Best of luck
shorescores Posts: 1Yea, don't know which year and what features you are seeking, but my wife and I yesterday purchased a nice 2002 silver Jetta GLS wagon (fairly standard features) - with automatic transmission, 33,000 miles - in superb condition for $15,000 at a dealership. I got roughly a thousand dollars off of asking price - and after checking the Blue Book retail value, we did pretty well with that price. We live in the San Francisco Bay Area - and 2002/2003 wagons are VERY hard to find. Owners seem to hang on to them and their value doesn't rapidly decline. My wife is ecstatic to drive it and I feel lucky we even found one when we needed it. Good luck in your search - I think you can get something quite nice in your range.
uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065I received a price yesterday on a 2004 Jetta GL 2.0 with auto and ESP for $16,352--which was about $1100 BELOW what edmunds says its TMV is. That has me nervous. I thought the new Jetta was 2006 model, but this price has me thinking it will be out next year as a 2006. The salesman won't say either way--another sign I take to mean the new ones will be out next year. I think I'll hold off and see for myself. But, that price for all you get (even in GL trim) is great!
Broadway Volkswagen in Richardson, TX, was my first stop searching for a new Jetta wagon. The salesperson would not let me test drive the car, would not discuss any numbers, without running a credit report, which I would not allow until I had a chance to see what I was buying. I walked outside and located the vehicle I wanted (black/black 5-speed TDI wagon, ESP, nothing else) and went back inside to speak to the manager. The manager had the salesperson take me for a drive, they would not let me drive the car, I only got to ride in the front seat.
I'm 26 years old, drove to the dealer in my nice clean Buick (not my cruddy Volvo), it was a Monday morning, and I was wearing a black dress shirt and black slacks. No mohawk, no piercings, no tattoos, no attitude. But I sure was in a mood to have an attitude when I left. I don't look like a kid, but I was sure treated like one. I did not deserve that kind of treatment and have sent a letter to the regional VW office and hope to be treated better at other dealers.
I would not buy a car from Broadway even if I was paying cash. Even if they had that TDI Jetta wagon at $5K off list. There are too many other VW dealers in the Dallas area that will work to earn my business.
Does anyone else recommend a dealer in North Texas for buying a VW? I plan on trying Lewisville VW, Park Cities VW, and Rusty Wallis VW, I can't think of any others in the area.
jettadriver Posts: 1The VW owner loyalty credit last month really made the decision for me.
Got an '04 Jetta for $14,8 including all fees (before sales tax). VW Jettas must be selling a bit slower than Corollas or Civics b/c they had some hefty rebates going on both to the customer and to the dealer.
My biggest irk are the documentation fees (sometimes called dealer service charge). These show up as a way to pad the dealer profit, so make sure that you are negotiating based on your total drive-away costs so that you don't get surprised by the fees.
My VW dealership is great and the salespeople were very low pressure and worked out a good deal.
Once I get a few weeks of driving in, I'll post my review. This is a good 2nd car, but it's a bit small to be the primary family car - for that I'd move up to the Passat (sedan or wagon.)
caboob Posts: 2I just got the car above for $22,500 (before TTL), with leather, monsoon/sunroof, performance pkge, mats, mudflaps which is right on the TMV price but the kicker was that they gave me 0% financing!! for 66 months!! I like to go 500 over invoice but settled for 700 over invoice.
Purchased in Washington, D.C.:
Jetta TDI Wagon, GL trim, manual transmission with Electronic Stabilization Program,
for $19,577 ($383 over invoice) + taxes, tags, and $99 "documentation fee".
This is our "Amish" car.
Black inside and out, very plain (no options but the ESP).
Had to do a lot of hunting, calling, and waiting to find a TDI wagon with stick shift and ESP. Not much choice of colors and other options.
But it's the perfect color and size to take my old black Lab for an exhilarating spin.
poaaro Posts: 1Received prompt courteous replies to email requests for quotes. Others were high, but one was $500 below invoice, with $1500 Dealer cashback in addition. Msrp $19,160. Paid 16,002 plus State Sales Tax and $100 title fee.
Though the exact color was not on the lot, the sales person obtained it from another dealer at no extra charge. Very satisfying buying experience at Ellacott Shaker VW (Cleveland OH).Friendly staff, good price.
The Jetta has numerous safety features not found on other subcompacts like ABS, side airbags and ESP at the bargain price of $280.
eab Posts: 2I want to start by saying I love my 2004 Jetta GL well as the 2004 Passat that my wife has.
Purchased my Jetta GL Auto on Saturday evening for $14880, but the experience was frustrating at Clear Lake VW. If I had any sense, I would have walked. Not once,but Twice. Not on price of vehicle, but bold face lying of the sales manager on incentives that I would be able to take. He said in front of my salesperson that I could have the $1000 loyalty rebate, and a $500 "down Payment" coupon I had as a previous customer of this dealership. (My previous experience was a good one) Well, when I asked them to match a competitor's advertised price, I was told I couldn't have the $500 incentive because of the price match.
Then, they screwed me on a $387 fee that they call "dealership fees". My final offer stated $12500 + TTL (including rebate and trade in). It was accepted. Stupid me thought the $387 fees were part of TTL. I went back on Monday to ask for a list of what these fees included and they don't even have one. Come to find out on this website (too late for me) that they have nothing to do with TTL. Just added profit.
The last issue was financing,they approved me at 4%, then after signing all the paperwork, and I'm ready for delivery, the finance guy runs in saying the auto had to be financed with VW due to the loyalty rebate. I was ok with that, but the kicker was I couldn't get the same rate that I had already been given.It will cost me and add'l $380 for 4.99% rate.
So, for those who may read this rant please:
1. Read this entire website for pointers.
2. When counter offering use words such as "only" or "drive out"
3. Walk out if not being treated respectfully
4. If your in the Houston Market, do not consider Clear Lake VW for your VW dealership (Since they don't advertise they reap the benefits of other dealerships that spend their advertising dollars)
The goal of any dealership should be for the customer to leave thinking they got a good deal.
I do know that in the end, I'm the one responsible for settling for this kind of treatment. I have already secured a "refinance" back at 3.9% to not give VW the satisfaction of making the interest on me. The dealership will get $387 of negative advertising from me.
hector Posts: 1Living near the Canadian border (near both the provinces of Quebec and New Brunswick)I've been thinking about taking a trip to Canada to find out if it's a better deal than the US. I'm looking for a 2004 Jetta GLS TDI with leather. Does anyone have any experience buying in Canada (including any Canadians out there)? What are some Canadian prices for similar cars?
bigdveedubgirl Posts: 402do not recommend it. I am not sure if the prices are going to be any better but even if they are,Are you going to finance it? Do you have Canadian credit established? Or only US credit. That can make it difficult. Also if you purchase one there and someday decide to sell it or trade it in the states its a pain because the the speedometer is in Metric temp gauges are in Metric. Also since you are in the Northeast, your state might require that all cars have northeast emmisions standards from the factory. So basically no, it not worth the hassle to save a few dollars. TDI's are going for MSRP everywhere, some places even over sticker. But I know a dealership in Texas that has a little bit of inventory and does not charge a premium (wink) email me back for more help.
dvw Posts: 5I just purchased an 04 GLS wagon with a 1.8T, Tiptronic auto, leather and ESP at Clarke VW in Hudson for 3% over their invoice, which was $250 over Edmunds invoice ($150 advertising fee and a $100 port fee; not sure about the latter, and it took me a long time to find out that the Jetta wagons are still made in Germany, whereas the sedans are made in Mexico) so the final price (about $23,800) was just a bit over Edmunds TMV (about $23,600). Our trade-in, though, a 1999 Mercury Cougar I4 fell way short of the Edmunds trade-in TMV; in fact, the dealer started $1500 below their final offer - so we really got low-balled there, and even their final offer was pretty poor. All the usual tricks were employed - keeping us waiting for long periods (2.5-hrs total), trying to get us to take a high "bank" APR, pretending they didn't know VW's 0% APR was still offered, negiotiating around the monthly payment, presenting (initially) a bogus invoice price, etc. So it took a lot of work and Edmunds to get a fair deal. But, kudos to the salesman for taking the effort to locate our particular Jetta configuration (in Detroit) and have it brought down within 48-hrs!
What a great car to drive! We also have an Audi A4, and the Jetta gives it a run for its money!
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mitchandmurray Posts: 4I had posted this in another VW forum, but did not find much reponse and hence posting here. (Sorry, for the double posting). I am considering buying a VW, and I have a few questions regarding the driver's option of financing -
1. The VW website claims that it is the best of both worlds (lease and buying). If so, what's the catch? I am sure there is something that is obvious, but I am not seeing, and is not explained on the website?
2. The web site says it is based on a "finance contract". Is that contract any different from the lease contract?
3. Do you get tied to the contract as you would in a lease? i.e you cannot break a lease once signed without paying huge fees. Or, in this case you are free to sell the car if you want to in the middle of the contract?
4. Has any one here tried that option? What are your thoughts? Would you recommend it to others?
gilt1 Posts: 1Hello,Im in Raleigh NC looking to buy a 04 Jetta Wagon GL TDI or should I wait for the 05s. And how much should I pay...
For a base 2004 (manual transmission) here in Baltimore-Washington recently, about $19K -$19.5K.
akangl Posts: 3,650The TDI Jettas are commanding OVER msrp, personally I would buy a Corolla or Civic before I paid over MSRP for a Jetta. If I HAD to have one I'd buy in the lower 48 and ship or drive the car back, MUCH cheaper than buying up here. We only have ONE VW dealership and they take advantage of that fact. I went one time to look at a Jetta there (when there was one other dealership) and the salesman told me that the price was MSRP + the $3k markup. I walked immediatly and bought the car at the other dealer for under invoice. Just amazes me what people will pay for these cars. Yes, they are nice, but not THAT nice.
cgatzke Posts: 5Last fall, I purchased a Jetta GLS, 1.8t, manual trans. from Ed Schmidt VW in Perrysburg, OH. Great buying experience, although I have had quite a bit of trouble with their service department, although that is another topic.
Due to some stupid trade in's in the past, I was quite a bit upside down on my trade in for the Jetta, but the price was reduced to around $19K (what they said was invoice, and end of year), but with my extra added back on, it drove it back up much higher. I was glad to get the whole mess tied up in 1.9% financing, through VW. Many people who i've talked to lately are surprised that VW got it to go through. At least if i'm gonna be upside down, let it be on a new car with warranty, and all at 1.9%!!!
What does everyone think? Did I do the best for what I have, or did I get screwed?
BTW, I love my Jetta. I will probably trade in down the road for a larger Passat for more room, but no troubles except for faulty ignition switch.
dpargento Posts: 2Hi I bought my 2004 Jetta GLS TDI wagon Indigo blue with cold weather and stability control packages at the beginning of August... live in central California but bought the car in Maryland were my folks live and will use that address for tiling info... I went through every dealer in a 100 mile radius and no one wanted to give me a deal... I ended up trying Russel VW one more time before actually getting ready to buy a Cooper S instead (if your gonna have to pay sticker I figured I'd get something fun;o) When I got to Russel I talked directly to the sales manager (Ray Notaro)and explained to him that I was from out of state but was ready to buy the car right then and there if he would work with me on the price... Long story short I bought the car for 200 bucks over invoice... IT was a fantastic sales experience and he had a great sales guy named Hans (smartest VW guy I have ever come across and he's a german import just like my wagon), get the car prepped for delivery...these guys know how to get lifetime customers...
jettagirl1 Posts: 1I am a '98 Jetta GLS owner who is considering a trade-in for an '04 GLS while the 0% financing offer lasts.
The dealer is claiming their cars are normally priced at 1% above cost - I have no idea what that is supposed to mean to me. In any case, he is willing to sell it for $21.5K, plus I would get the $1K appreciation rebate, and 0% financing. He is only willing to give me $4K on my trade - which is crap. The car has only 48K miles, is in great physical shape - (he even said it himself - "it's like new on the inside....you must never even drive".) And the body has next to no damage or flaws. He also will pay the $673 service bill I owe for having a fuel hose replaced today - the impetus for my having even decided to shop around. But really - let's be real here...that costs him nothing - the price of that part has been tripled for me already.
Specs on the new car are as follows:
GLS 2.0L 4-cyl AUTOMATIC
Reflex Silver exterior with blk leather interior
Monsoon sound (standard)
What are your thoughts- can I get this guy lower, and is he even DOING anything for me here, or not really so much?
I had also planned to put at least $3K down.
Thx for your help!
nihilator Posts: 1Here's my buying experience with Ourisman Volkswagen of Laurel (Maryland). I had been looking for a replacement for my rapidly aging 1994 Honda Accord LX sedan, and I wanted something with its own style, good economy, excellent reliability, and I thought I also deserved something fun to drive. For some reason, I'm hot for wagons, and I wanted a manual transmission for the fun, the longevity, and the lower price. Other cars I considered (and the reasons I rejected them) included: 3-series BMW (far too expensive), Jaguar X-type (expensive and unreliable, and no manual in the 3.0 version), Mazda 3- and 6-series (too expensive for what you get), Subaru (AWD is nice, but poor styling and mileage), Chevy Malibu Maxx (too big, too plain, unproven format), and Ford Focus (awful resale, expensive to maintain).
The Jetta wagon seemed a good choice for lots of reasons, including a nice test drive in a TDI sedan, but the kicker was the $3,500 in factory-to-dealer incentives for all non-TDI wagons. The TDI would have been nice, but I would have ended up paying about $5,000 more for it, and that's not worth it.
Interesting note: the factory-to-dealer incentive for non-TDI wagons is $3,500, and the incentive for non-TDI sedans is $2,000. The differential between the sedan and the wagon is only $1,000 (MSRP) to begin with, so this makes the wagon actually $500 *cheaper* than the sedan!
I called a VW dealer local to my work and asked if he could find "a Jetta wagon, manual transmission, GLS trim, 1.8T engine, in black, white, or any of the blue shades" (there are three or so blue-like shades available.) That was all I gave him to go on. He called me back within the hour and told me that an Indigo Blue wagon matching that description was available from a nearby dealership. It also had the Leather package (I was fine with or without it) and ESP (electronic stabilization program, a nice supplement to ABS and standard traction control). He offered to have the other dealership hold the car until he could meet with me to discuss it.
The costs break down as follows, according to Edmunds.com:
Item (MSRP / invoice)
Jetta GLS 1.8T wagon (21,940 / 20,022)
Leather (1,050 / 928)
Destination (575 / 575)
Total MSRP: $23,845. Total invoice: $21,772, but the dealer quoted me an invoice of $22,114; he included a $342 fee package comprised of three profit-only items. Something like $25 port prep fee, $75 something-or-other, and $242 advertising somesuch.
On arriving at the dealership, I asked the sales manager, with whom I had been dealing over the phone, to let me (a) see a car in the same shade as the car he was holding at the other dealership, and (b) let me test-drive a manual 1.8T (sedan or wagon, as I had only driven the TDI at that point). We found a car on the lot and he handed me over to a floor sales rep for the drive. I took a drive and was highly pleased with the experience...the shifter was notchy but positive, the engine smooth, the interior very well put-together. I found out later that, oddly, I had not been driving a 1.8T after all, and had been impressed by the (very) base 2.0 normally-aspirated engine. Even though I had not driven the 1.8T, I was ready to deal...I was impressed enough with the base engine that I knew I would love the turbo version!
In my initial phone contact with the sales manager, he had readily agreed that there was $3,500 in marketing support available and offered not only to hand it *all* over to me, but to start the negotiation at invoice, not sticker. To *his* invoice price (including the $342 fee package) he added a $99 documentation fee. My counteroffer was simple: I offered to let them keep $200 over invoice (not $441). I went to take a cell phone call, and when I got back 15 minutes later, they agreed to my offer. Painless.
I signed a contract, after reviewing my numbers to make sure I didn't make any mistakes. Final figures:
Jetta as equipped: $18,373.38
State sales tax (5%): $923.62 (should be $918.67, but it's close enough for me)
Title fee: $23.00 (legit MD fee)
License fee: $128 (also legit MD fee; new tags plus two years registration)
"Profit fee": $156
Total out the door: $19,604.00
Total for the car (not including taxes, tags and title): $18,534.33...and MSRP was $23,845. I paid $5,311 (22.2%) less than sticker!
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It's only Thursday but blankets are ready
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a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jul 10, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Ohhhhh nnooooooooo... here we go again. Blankets and chairs take presidence over live people who arrive to listen to music. You must take a position across the street while a blanket awaits its just-in-time owner to arrive.
a resident of Amador Estates
on Jul 10, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Have to agree with you on this one Frank. Just a sign of a total sense of entitlement. Don't let blankets have power over people. Move the blanket, sit down, and get ready for the show.
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jul 10, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Let's start leaving blankets out on Wednesday evening! Or how about Tuesday evening?! We must not allow a blanket gap!
a resident of Foothill Place
on Jul 10, 2008 at 10:16 pm
We used to live near Lions Wayside Park in the mid 1990s. The crazy ritual of setting up blankets early on Fridays ran counter to the spirit of these events. At that time. I felt it would be appropriate for the city to run the sprinklers for about an hour at noon on Fridays. Now the entitled set their quilts and blankets on Thursday. The Salvation Army or another worthy charity ought to make a sweep around 1pm on Fridays - that might take care of this blight.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 10, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Each year this gets worse and worse.
The seating at the Friday concerts, as well as the Shakespeare in the Park, should be first come, first serve. If you want to have a secured spot, do it the old-fashion way and send a kid up a couple of hours ahead of time to save your family's spots.
The DT Association should make a sweep of the park at 5:00 and put all unattended items over to the side to be claimed later by their owners.
a resident of Foothill Place
on Jul 10, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Ptown Mom. Nicely put. We are in the "I'm Entitled" era. People want whatever they want, whenever they want it without a care for the impact on anyone else. I love America but we sure can be ugly!
a resident of Valley Trails
on Jul 11, 2008 at 7:07 am
personally i don't give a sheet but the trash left behind is annoying
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 11, 2008 at 10:00 am
Free lawn chairs and blankets for the needy and homeless.
Please proceed to Lions Wayside Park , Pleasanton CA for immediate collection.
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Jul 11, 2008 at 11:02 am
The second time Tommy & the 4 Speeds has threatened retirement. The first time was temporary with demand from the early Friday night crowd that drew them back. Let's hope they don't stay away too long this time.
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Jul 11, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Just drove by the Park - ridiculous. There is not any space without an empty blanket or chair. The City needs to stop looking away from this and put a stop to such a poor display of sense of community.
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 11, 2008 at 6:19 pm
I had been thinking it would be a nice evening to go to the concert now that it isn't so hot. But it sounds like we shouldn't even bother going if the entire place was staked out many hours ago! I agree that the city should put a stop to this and the Bay Area Shelters should come make a sweep on Friday afternoons and they will have a good supply of blankets for the winter months. A token place holder should not be recognized.
a resident of Canyon Meadows
on Jul 11, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Good God, people. Get a life. Blankets down on Thursday for a Friday concert? The person in the picture should be ashamed of herself. Are you also one of those overzealous parents who stick their kids in year-long sports clinics in hopes they'll make the big show one day too? Sheesh. This is so pathetic.
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 12, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Shut-up Brigitt! The fun of it all is to complain!
Spreading jam on a few blankets to invite the ants seems like a cool idea to me...way cool!
a resident of Dublin
on Jul 14, 2008 at 7:28 am
These people really do need to get a life!
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Biography of Justice Timothy J. Walker
Justice Timothy J. Walker is a graduate of the State University of New York at Buffalo (B.S., Business Administration, 1985, cum laude), and the University of Toledo College of Law (J.D., 1988, magna cum laude), where he served on the Editorial Board of the Law Review, and was inducted into the Order of the Coif. In December, 2006, he was appointed to the New York State Court of Claims, and has since been designated as Acting Justice of the Supreme Court.
Justice Walker began his career with the law firm of Moot & Sprague in Buffalo, New York. His law practice primarily consisted of commercial and complex tort litigation, representing individual business owners, as well as Fortune 500 and multi-national organizations.
At the time of his appointment to the bench, Justice Walker was a partner in the Litigation Department of Hiscock & Barclay, LLP, where he also served as the Firm's Chief Ethics Officer (2002-2005). Justice Walker also served as Councilman for the Town of Eden (2001-2005), Board Member of the Eden Central School District (2000 - 2006; President, 2004 - 2006), and Eden Town Prosecutor (1996-2001).
Justice Walker is a member of the New York State and Erie County bar associations, as well as the New York State Trial Lawyers Association. He is a past member of the American Bankruptcy Institute. He is admitted to practice in the State of New York and before a number of Federal Trial and Appellate Courts.
Prior to assuming the position of Presiding Justice of the 8th Judicial District Commercial Division, Justice Walker was responsible for developing procedures for, and supervising the Residential Foreclosure Conference Program in the 8th Judicial District (2007-2010).


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New member here, hope everyone is having a good 2013.
Well i just recently built a new rig right before Christmas, Intel firstname.lastname@example.com using a Hyper 212+ cpu Cooler, Asrock Z77 Extreme 4 mobo, Gigabyte HD7870 Ghz Edition@1225/1350, 8GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3 1600, ThermalTake Versa 2 Mid Tower Case w/Six 120mm fans, XFX 550watt Core Edition PSU(seasonic rebadge psu),etc,etc ...that is what i built for around $800.00 USD after hunting down some good sales on parts and hopefully it'll last me 2-3 years besides a GPU upgrade in a year or two. I game at 1440x900, i just happen to be content at that resolution.
The new build has been very good to me thus far and been enjoying some great gaming on it so far. I am also a console gamer but finally tossed in the towel on these aging consoles as i simply couldn't stand looking at watered down visuals anymore..i mean these current consoles are in their 7th and 8th year with the hardware being around 8 years old so it was time for me to move on until the next gen consoles come out which i will be buying one next gen console from either Microsoft or Sony but as an avid gamer..i always enjoyed both console and PC gaming so i will also be gaming on my PC as well, i am no fanboy of anything platform or any fanboy of anything besides just being a fanboy of gaming regardless of which platform the game happens to be on, if its a good game, i am playing it, period.
Anyways, my new build is aimed at gaming only. I do not do any video editing,etc so i opted out of getting a Intel 3770k with 8 threads since my focus is strickly gaming and HD movie viewing only. I use my PC on my 52inch Panasonic Plasma Display and it works great. Having a PC connected to your home theater equipment is something i have been doing since the good old days of my All-In-Wonder 9800 Pro, man some good memories with that classic video card.
After the aimed spec's for the new consoles..i noticed both PS4 and the Next Xbox going with AMD 8 Core CPU's...granted they are 8 cores in "two" cluster configurations but my concern is my Intel 3570K processor only being a 4 core CPU with 4 threads. Now ...will that be an issue once these next gen consoles come out? Because i do not plan on buying a new console as soon as they are released later this year. I usually wait until their 2nd revision of new consoles so they work out any kinks or flaws in their initial release of these next gen consoles so i will be playing next gen console ports to PC's for a good year to year and half.
Do you guys think my 3570K cpu overclocked at 4.4ghz will be able to handle these next gen console ports to the PC when considering these next gen consoles are using CPU's that are 8 cores while these 3570K cpu's are only 4 core cpu's?
My personal gut tells me that the 3570K cpu is still going to be a much better quality and powerful CPU then what will be in these next gen consoles regardless of these next gen consoles using a AMD jaguar type 8 core cpu which will be clocked for instance the next xbox AMD Cpu will be 8 core @ 1.6ghz per core.
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Well it appears that Doom 4 had a leak, that didn't get plugged for a while.
Doom 4 leaked pictures. Enjoy.
Well it appears that Doom 4 had a leak, that didn't get plugged for a while.
Doom 4 leaked pictures. Enjoy.
"You ever think Einstein, walked around thinking, people are dumb***t's?"
"I dunno.. Probably. It explains why he made that bomb."
I dont even remember the last time i played doom. :C
Future chars for PSO2:
*Gordon *Guykid
*Argenia *Illuminati Bot
"You ever think Einstein, walked around thinking, people are dumb***t's?"
"I dunno.. Probably. It explains why he made that bomb."
All I gotta say is the game better involve a portal from he//, cause if they spin it off of mutations like the movie, I'm going to rage!
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"You ever think Einstein, walked around thinking, people are dumb***t's?"
"I dunno.. Probably. It explains why he made that bomb."
Portals from he//, lol. Mutaions LOL.
Future chars for PSO2:
*Gordon *Guykid
*Argenia *Illuminati Bot
Someone never played Doom 1 or 2 it seems.
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Doom, a science fiction/horror themed video game, has a background which is given in the game's instruction manual; the rest of the story is advanced with short messages displayed between each section of the game (called episodes), the action as the player character progresses through the levels, and some visual cues.
The player takes the role of an unnamed space marine who has been punitively posted to Mars after assaulting his commanding officer, who ordered his unit to fire upon civilians. The Martian space marine base acts as security for the Union Aerospace Corporation (UAC), a multi-planetary conglomerate, which is performing secret experiments with teleportation by creating gateways between the two moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos. The manual makes it clear that Phobos is considered by space marines to be the dullest assignment imaginable: "with no action for fifty million miles, your day consisted of suckin' dust and watchin' restricted flicks in the rec room." This all changes when the UAC experiments go horribly wrong. Computer systems on Phobos malfunction, Deimos disappears entirely, and "something fragging evil" starts pouring out of the gateway, killing or possessing all UAC personnel. Responding to a frantic distress call from the overrun scientists, the Martian marine unit is quickly sent to Phobos to investigate, where the player character is left to guard the hangar with only a pistol while the rest of the group proceeds inside. Over the course of the next few hours, the marine hears assorted garbled radio messages, gunfire, and screams, followed by silence: "Seems your buddies are dead."
As the last man standing, the player character's mission is to fight through the entire onslaught of demonic enemies by himself in order to keep them from attacking Earth.[6] In order for the game to be completed, the marine must fight through Phobos, Deimos, and then Hell itself, each presented as an episode containing eight distinct levels, along with an optional ninth hidden level for each one. Knee-Deep in the Dead, the first episode and the only one in the shareware version, is set in the high-tech military bases, power plants, computer centers and geological anomalies on Phobos. It ends with the player character entering the teleporter leading to Deimos, ending with him getting overwhelmed by monsters, if not killed. In the second episode, the Shores of Hell, the character journeys through the installations on Deimos, areas of which are interwoven with beastly architecture, warped and distorted by the hellish invasion. After defeating the titanic Cyberdemon lord, he discovers the truth about the vanished moon: it is floating above Hell. After climbing down to the surface, the third episode, called Inferno, begins. After the huge Spiderdemon that masterminded the invasion is destroyed in the final mission, a hidden doorway back to Earth opens for the hero, who has "proven too tough to be contained". In the game's final cutscene, the camera pans over a verdant field complete with flowers and bunny rabbits, only to reveal a burning city and a bunny's head impaled on a stake: the demons have invaded Earth, paving the way for Doom II.
The Ultimate Doom, the retail store version of the game, adds a fourth episode, Thy Flesh Consumed, occurring after the three original episodes of Doom and before Doom II. This episode was developed by independent master level designers with id's approval, and was designed for expert Doom players seeking a major challenge. It is considerably more difficult than the original three episodes.None Wiki quoteImmediately following the events in Doom, the player once again assumes the role of the nameless space marine. After returning home from Hell, the marine discovers that Earth has also been invaded by the demons, who have killed millions of people.[5]
The humans who survived the attack have developed a plan to build massive spaceships which will carry the remaining survivors into space. Unfortunately, the only space port that's capable of launching said ships has been taken hostage by the demonic invaders, who have placed a "force field" over it, causing it to malfunction.[5] The marine then battles through thousands of demons, and is able to deactivate the force field, allowing the remaining humans to escape. Once all the survivors escape Earth, the marine is the only human left on the planet.[6]
Just as he sits down to await death, knowing that he saved mankind, the marine then receives an off-planet transmission from humans in orbit, who have managed to find out where the armies of Hell are coming from. The message reveals that the alien base is in the center of the marine's own home town. The marine then fights through the city until he reaches the base, but sees there is no way to stop the invasion on this side. He then decides to step into the portal to attempt deactivating it from the other side.
After fighting through the hordes of Hell, the marine reaches the house of the biggest demon (he has) ever seen, called the Icon of Sin. He kills the Icon of Sin by firing rockets into its exposed brain. The Icon of Sin's death results in the destruction of the Hellish portal. Now with Hell in ruins, the marine joins with the other humans in an effort to restore life on Earth.[6]
The Doom Storyline.
You're a marine, one of Earth's toughest, hardened in combat and trained for action. Three years ago you assaulted a superior officer for ordering his soldiers to fire upon civilians. He and his body cast were shipped to Pearl Harbor, while you were transfered to Mars, home of the Union Aerospace Corperation. The UAC is a multi-planetary conglomerate with radioactive waste facilities on Mars and its two moons, Phobos and Deimos. With no action for fifty million miles, your day consisted of suckin' dust and watchin' restricted flicks in the rec room.
For the last four years the militaty, UAC's biggest supplier, has used the remote facilities on Phobos and Deimos to conduct varios secret projects, including reaserch on inter-dimensional travel. So far they have been able to open gateways between Phobos and Deimos, throwing a few gadgets into one and watching them come out the other. Recently however, the Gateways have grown dangerously unstable. Military "volunteers" entering them have either disappeared or been stricken with a strange form of insanity - babbleing vulgarities, bludgeoning anything that breathes, and finally suffering an untimely death of full-body explosion. Matching heads with torsos to send home to the folks became a full-time job. Latest military reports state that the reserch is suffering a small set-back, but everything is under control.
A few hours ago, Mars recieved a garbled message from Phobos. "We require immediate military support. Something fraggin' evil is coming out of the Gateways! Computer systems have gone berserk!" The rest was incoherent. Soon afterwards, Deimos simply vanished from the sky. Since then, attempts to establish contact with either moon have been unsuccessful.
You and your buddies, the only combat troop for fifty million miles were sent up pronto to Phobos. You were ordered to secure the perimeter of the base while the rest of the team went inside. For several hours, your radio picked up the sounds of combat: guns firing, men yelling orders, screams, bones cracking, then finally, silence. Seems your buddies are dead.
It's Up To You
Things aren't looking too good. You'll never navigate off the planet on your own. Plus, all the heavy weapons have been taken by the assault team leaving you with only a pistol. If only you could get your hands around a plasma rifle or even a shotgun you could take a few down on your way out. Whatever killed your buddies deserves a couple of pellets in the forehead. Securing your helmet, you exit the landing pod. Hopefully you can find more substantial firepower somewhere within the station.
As you walk through the main entrance to the base, you hear animal-like growls echoing throughout the distant corridors. They know you're here. There's no turning back now.
"You ever think Einstein, walked around thinking, people are dumb***t's?"
"I dunno.. Probably. It explains why he made that bomb."


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When he retired at the age of 49, he moved back to Arkansas in the late 1970s, where he became an avid farmer, working on his property in Burr-Oak. He loved working with his cattle and haying. James enjoyed being around people. He was a member of the Snowball Baptist Church. Socializing and visiting with friends and family brought much enjoyment to his life.
James is preceded in death by his parents; wife, Delores (St. Clair) Carter; daughter, Katherine Carter; granddaughter, Wendy Myers Freeman; and brother, Hubert Carter.
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The operators of Charlotte-based Carolinas HealthCare System will pay Cleveland County more than $100 million for Cleveland County HealthCare System buildings, including both Cleveland County�s hospitals.
The operators of Charlotte-based Carolinas HealthCare System will pay Cleveland County more than $100 million for Cleveland County HealthCare System buildings, including both Cleveland County�s hospitals.
The announcement came Thursday, when county commissioners approved the agreement.
The county currently owns the health care locations. Carolinas HealthCare leases Cleveland�s two hospitals for $1.45 million annually.
"Cleveland County has already benefited from the technology and best practices of Carolinas HealthCare System," said Brian Gwyn, president and chief executive officer of Cleveland County HealthCare System. "This is a final movement to move the future of health care forward in this county. And when areas are looking to bring in new industry, health care brings in phenomenal growth."
The county�s health department building and the land on which it sits are also included in the agreement, but the county will continue to operate those.
How does Cleveland County get paid?
When the deal is final, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Hospital Authority will pay Cleveland County $23 million and provide a promissory note for
$77 million.
The larger sum will be paid in $3 million installments over the next 26 years, according to the agreement.
The $23 million will help pay for a new health department and other buildings, with any remaining dollars going into the county�s savings account, said County Manager Eddie Bailes.
The hospital authority will make a final $2.27 million payment to the county by July 1, 2038.
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How long has the new partnership agreement been in the works?
The Charlotte-Mecklenburg
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|March 13, 2000, 02:05 PM
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Well i just completed my second IDPA match with 4 handgun stages and a 2 stage shotgun sidematch. Note to 1911 fans... MORE LUBE!!
Could not figure it out.. had shot it and made it work flawless at the range.. and first thing saturday morning JAM... a quick trip to the saftey area for some CLP solved the problem and by the last stage NO jams and three magazines through the gun in high winds that blew sand and grit into everything. Still need to work on moving faster through the courses but I think my handling is pretty good. I also think I impressed some of my fellow shooters in the side matches (thanks for the compliment Jeff) I was suprised to see quite a few misses on steels from shooters with some very expensive and "tactical" shotguns SHOOT some clays and pattern your guns kids . Also got to watch as Tom borrowed my shotgun to introduce 2 new shotgunners to the sport. We had a lot of fun.
Looking forward to seeing the match results (great turnout with 3 squads of shooters). Great range facilites and the blind stage was really really cool. Didn't miss SEEING any bad guys but I did manage to MISS SHOOTING at the long range/hidden guy leaning out from the fence.
Thinking of signing up to be a for match safety officer class (damn I'm hooked)
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|March 13, 2000, 03:36 PM
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Yep, it was a good match. One could easily see who has steel and shotgun experience (as well as tactical pistol experience).
The distressed look on Rob's face when his pistol first jammed was like he caught his best friend with his girl - a bit of lube, and it all ended in smiles .
Motorep and Kathryn, you missed a good match. Hope to catch you at the next one (Owl Canyon).
|March 13, 2000, 11:12 PM
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It could have been worse. It could have jammed in a real gunfight. My club just got a four door sedan to use in IDPA stages. Can't wait to shoot a stage from a Park Avenue.
|March 14, 2000, 11:51 AM
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I've been following your posts Dr. Rob. I just recently joined a club that holds competition shooting and went again Monday night for the second time.
It is so much fun, but I'm like you...I'm more worried about following range rules than I am shooting! That can make for a nervous evening! Last night was not quite as nerve racking.
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|March 16, 2000, 06:02 PM
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Sorry I missed the match, my #2 priority- work- got in the way.
Dr. Rob, I'm glad you liked the facility. 10 years ago there was one berm, half of another one, and about 40 members. The Clear Creek board has supported about every proposal ever put forth for improvements and upgrades. If you run into Lou Kingsley or Ray Eaves, thank them. They're the two longest surviving board members, their attitude is "the more people out here shooting, the better it is for all of us, and the safer our range is". Membership is still open.
|March 17, 2000, 11:50 AM
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hmmmm how exactly does that sceanrio go...
"you and your crew are returning from the Bada-Bing when you see some of Junior's crew cut the road off in front of you and the car is riddled with bullets.. you roll out and...."
or is it more like..
"you and your partner are chasing two perpetrators into an ally.. just as you cross the street a Park avenue squeals to a halt blocking the ally, you slide across the hood drawing your weapon..."
OK so I watched to much starsky and hutch and have a weakness for the Sopranos. Sue me.
Actually the use of "real" objects, doors, cars, barrels, bricks, etc adds greatly to the realism of the courses and makes them a lot more fun.
Looking forward to the next one...
|March 17, 2000, 04:16 PM
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During a rifle side match a few months back, one of the IDPA'ers put a .223 through the top of a car door while I was Safety Officer. Some rifles (ARs especially) have the sights far above the barrel - another good reason not to crowd cover. I still rib him about it .
Motorep - I had no idea the range had been so improved, I'll certainly thank Ray next I see him.
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|The honouring of obligations and commitments by Azerbaijan
|Council of Europe: Parliamentary Assembly
|Publication Date
|20 December 2012
|Armed groups / Militias / Paramilitary forces / Resistance movements | Conflict situation | Corruption | Freedom of assembly and association | Freedom of conscience | Freedom of expression | Freedom of religion | Housing, land and property rights (HLP) | Human rights and fundamental freedoms | Independence of judiciary | Military service / Conscientious objection / Desertion / Draft evasion / Forced conscription | Minority rights | Political parties | Political situation | Rule of law / Due process / Procedural fairness | Security situation
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|Doc. 13084
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|Council of Europe: Parliamentary Assembly, The honouring of obligations and commitments by Azerbaijan, 20 December 2012, Doc. 13084, available at: http://www.refworld.org/docid/5138408f2.html [accessed 23 January 2018]
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