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Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by 90's Clay, Aug 22, 2012.
I wasn't taking away any credit from Sampras, I think he was impressive at both USO 2000 & 2001.
I can't imagine a top player losing to a 40 years old player today. Federer during his prime and now Nole would never lose to a 40 years old player at big stage(I'm not talking about exo), and they don't even have to play their best.
Yes, I know, the facts are disturbing.
Actually, Hoad led by 18 to 8 going into Palm Springs, California, when his back acted up, and he lost that night and the next.
Kramer saw Gonzales the night before Palm Springs, and Gonzales had given up hope.
4/Mc Enroe
10/Roche and Goran
others: Tanner,Gomez and also Rios and Korda.
come on pc1, I can understand fatigue being cited as a reason in 2001 - he had to come through a tough draw, but 2000 ? really ? he barely had to spend 2 hrs on court in the semi ..... he just got blown off by safin ...
and even in 2001, hewitt was just too good , especially in sets 2 and 3 ....
jeez, really, again ? if you'd open your mind up a little and actually think ..... sampras was a clearly better player than emerson, less reliant on legs than him ....... if they had a comparable drop in level, you'd still expect sampras to have clearly better results, would you not ?
again, he was only 35-16 in 2001, winning zero titles .... he ended 2000 @ #3, while he ended 2001 @ #10 ...
eh, and sampras lost at the AO to todd martin, a player he had completely owned till then ..todd martin ended the year ranked #57 ...
you are that sure emerson would have won a slam in the amateurs in 68 ? beating ashe, newk, roche etc ? well , well, then he wasn't that bad, was he ?
If you'd read it again, you'd notice I was talking about disregarding the ability/strength of a player at his prime and considering post-prime ( & pre-prime ) results and in some cases, saying pre or post prime years were part of heir prime or they were very close to it ..
that's what you're doing with emerson ...
2001 safin
I just think that in 2000 Safin had one of those matches when everything is going right. But that is not to indicate that Safin was superior to Sampras, we know this because Sampras handled Safin quite well in 2001
yeah, not saying safin was superior to sampras ...just that fatigue had no role whatsoever in that final in 2000 ....
also I think sampras was in better form in the 2000 USO than safin in the 2001 USO ..
You could be right but I know that's been a major subject of debate in the past because playing the semi the day before hurts the older player much more.
Who is your pick for the Australian? I haven't seen the top players in action but I guess I would go with Murray. Now watch he'll be slaughtered in his next match. lol.
I am right .....
you could use age as a possible reason if the player had a draining semi, but that was not the case at all here ...
Logically , would have to go with djoker ... but hoping fed can take it of course ... would be a bit surprised if anyone other than the top 3 takes it .......tsonga, berdych,delpo,ferrer are contenders, but unlikely unless they are in absolute top form ...
murray isn't going to beaten atleast until the QF when he'll possibly face delpo , heh ...
What does "again" mean? You are still answering too, aren't you?
It was not comparable in my opinion.
Reaching a Major final by beating in sequence Rafter, Safin and Agassi is enough for me. I repeat, Emerson never did something similar.
It was not his first loss with low-ranked players, so what?
Didn't say he was bad, I've said he was not a champion, there's a difference, can you see it? Moreover, without facing the Pro in 1968 their level probably wouldn't have raised... anyway, we are still talking about science fiction, as in the larger part of this discussion.
again, are you really not getting this or just pretending to be thick ???
sampras was a clearly better player than emerson . even with major decline in level, he was still capable of doing quite a bit better than emerson with a similar sort of decline
but he declined majorly from 2000 to 2001 and that's a fact ...just look at his play and his results ...
so emerson did from 67 to 68 ...
I'm not saying sampras in 2001 and emerson in 68 are at the same level. I'm saying their decline in those years from the respective previous years are comparable
lol, so emmo losing to a 40-year old gonzales on clay, while gonzales was still within the top 10-15 for sure definitely proves emerson 'sucked' while sampras losing to todd martin who ended the year ranked #57 , the reaction is so what ? LOL !!
yeah, lol, ashe,newk, roche all improved as soon as they joined the pros, but emerson while 'still at his prime' did not, had no significant decline .... and emmo, not a 'champ', but was beating them in the amateurs multiple times ...
and this for 3 players, not just one ... if it is one, maybe you could say an exception ....
indeed that does sound like science fiction to me ...:lol:
reality is emerson's decline was a far more major factor than the beginning of the open era ...
You are just repeating this again and again, but I disapprove that point, so you can stop it. We don't read this in the same way, that's your opinion, not mine.
Again? Never said that. I've said that Emerson wasn't able to beat Gonzales on his weakest surface when he was 40 years old: with this point I mean that Pancho's (Rosewall's/Laver's/Gimeno's) level in his prime was much higher than Emerson's.
They were all in the right age to improve by facing a stronger opposition, while Emerson wasn't.
Not for me, he was just at the same level: couldn't improve that much because he was too old, but didn't decline neither. He just stayed at his level, that's what I think.
Oh, please let's stop this, it's becoming redundant.
disprove ? heh, in which alternate world are you in ?
does sampras having one good run in USO 2001 disprove that he declined majorly from 2000 to 2001 ? really ? with a 35-16 record and no titles ...
you cannot have exact results and exact decline for two players ! jeez !
way to sneak in gimeno there .... pancho, rosewall, laver , yes , but gimeno ? nope ...
whatever, take another look at your double standards if you can.... you started 'whining' about disrespect when I put rosewall out of the top 5 for peak play & said that djoker would have it easy vs his serve ...
yet you have no qualms while stating that emerson having a physical game, won his first slam in 61 didn't decline much in 68 at all .... in fact you scoffed at the very possibility of him declining from 67 to 68, I gave very clear examples of wilander and sampras , you backtracked regarding the possibility of it and just stated it didn't happen ...
and again, you aren't quoting the full text of what I said, which is far more substantive and probably embarrassing to your arguments ....
you can stop if you want, but stop whining about 'disrespect' to rosewall when I didn't even say anything that much derogatory about him/his play , while you are off blatantly under-rating and under-mining another player - in this case emerson ...
He declined, but not that much. I repeat, he has beaten Agassi, Rafter and Safin in sequence, that's enough for me.
In my opinion he was way stronger than Emerson. I won't start an argument about this also, I'm pretty tired by this discussion.
My god, you're just exhausting! Just stop it please, we have different opinions! I've argumented a lot and made tons of examples, we simply don't read it the same way.
You didn't? Just go back at the first post and read it. Now I've had enough.
yes, a 14 time grand slam champion going from W, F, SF @ 3 of the slams, winning 4 titles including wimbledon to only one slam final the next year , no other QFs at a major, going 35-16 and winning no titles that year ... yeah, sounds like the norm to me ... no big decline ... :roll:
sure sounds like a lot of respect for a 14 time major champion :roll:
sure we don't ... I live in the world of reality ... you live in an alternate world ... see the first part of my reply for proof ...
I already said I did. There was nothing that disrespectful ......up to you to stop making a big fuss about that/stop this conversation when you yourself have belittled Emerson quite a bit and now even sampras to an extent !
Ok, I won't go on with this, it is simply becoming boring, sorry. Just another braggart who can't accept multiplicity of opinions, straight into my ignore list.
Didn't Emmo whip Gonzales in Florida?
And was Gimeno still part of the discussion?
Remember, Santana in the sixties was a much hotter product than Gimeno, but the pros could not afford to sign Santana or Emerson, who made more money as amateurs than Laver or Rosewall did as pros!
Oh, and lifetime: Santana won 72 tournaments, Gimeno 46. Santana 4 majors, Gimeno 1. Not even close. And Santana was great in Davis Cup.
hah, the irony of it all
accepting different opinions when opinions are close to reality/backed up by facts is one thing, another thing when someone is just way off track .....
how about I say that you accept whenever someone says that the peak level of agassi, wilander, becker, edberg etc was far better than that of Rosewall ? :lol:
Blah blah blah.
He was 8 years younger, is it so strange that he could beat him sometimes?
Gonzales won 12 matches against Emerson in the Open Era, including the biggest one. Isn't that enough?
72 tournaments, the majority of which were amateur tournaments with depleted fields, while Gimeno had to front constantly peak-Laver and peak-Rosewall in its circuit, often beating them on clay.
Gimeno was able to reach a semifinal at Wimbledon Open even if he was 33 years old at the time, Santana was one year younger but he never reached a semifinal at Wim. Open.
Gimeno also won the French 1972 and reached the semifinal in 1968. Santana never reached the semifinal at the French Open.
Anyway, Santana won Barcelona 1970, which was the best clay tournament that season, but that's not enough to put him above Gimeno in my opinion.
I'll not answer anymore on Gimeno, that's my opinion (not only mine, I think also BobbyOne considers him better than Santana and Emerson), the world is big enough for both our points of view. Bye bye.
I don't think I ever "insulted" you. My calling your comment "nonsense" might have been blunt and intemperate, but I never attacked you personally.
And that is all the more reason to say Beethoven did not "invent" jazz.
One would expect the most influential figure in Western music to have been ahead of his time, but again hints of what's to come don't mean the real thing. To (re)use the Leonardo example, his futuristic notes and sketches continue to amaze us, but it's a stretch to say he invented most of the devices he envisioned. Likewise an art form is more than its parts.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I do find it ironic that you say this right after namechecking Schoenberg as one of the authorities to support your POV.
Haydn is a composer's composer, one who is better appreciated by musicians than by laymen like you and me. And just about any respectable classical GOAT list would have him among the top 10. The same can't be said of Emerson in tennis.
Tilden's 1924 record is a bit misleading because, like you said, he didn't play all the majors and thus have to face the Four Musketeers, to name one example (or four). Would he have won just about every big event in sight like Laver in '69 with all the big names around? Possible, but historically improbable.
And even if that were true we'd be talking about only two players in the entire history of modern tennis, two whose career trajectory (at least Laver's) and number of prime years doesn't deviate so much from those of other GOATs from Gonzales to Federer. Given these similarities it's reasonable to conclude that Tilden and Laver's seemingly late development was not so much personal than structural, and I say that in Laver's case it is the amateur/pro divide that offers the best explanation.
Yes, in Tilden's case military service is probaby a bigger factor than the amateur/pro split (which both of us agree didn't hinder him much), and another one that affected the entire tour, not just him.
I'm actually skeptical that one's diet has such a big impact on his game, and tend to scoff at the notion of today's "advanced" nutrition. Smoking and travel could've been bigger factors.
Just so we're clear I don't deny that any of these variables have some impact. I was talking strictly about the amateur/pro divide with respect to Laver's supposedly late dominance. I never argued that being an amateur would be the biggest factor in all cases.
I'd say actual play against the world's best can help a budding player mature as fast, if not faster, as any humanly possible amount of training. This is especially true for S&Vers like Rafter, who once admitted that he needed as much actual playing time as time off to get into his net-rushing groove, or something to that effect. And while Laver was more of an all-courter I'd suspect his case was similar.
krosero, again I wasn't making any generalization here. I was talking in particular about Laver's annus mirabilis at age 31, and how that is such an outlier in the annals of tennis history if we're to view it in a vacuum. I doubt any knowledgeable tennis fan would dispute your point about Rosewall and his playing style.
And I see I wasn't very clear about my definition of one's "prime years." When I say prime I do mean when the player is in the prime of his career, not any year when he was able to eke out a Slam. Pete and Fed might have won a major in '02 and '12 respectively, but one would hardly call that either one's prime. That's why I made particular mention of the # of years these legends were ranked no. 1, and history indeed shows that this number has remained remarkably constant, between 6-8 years depending on one's own rankings (Borg is the only glaring exception here).
I can see how this can extend a player's longevity, but again history has shown that a GOAT's length of time spent at the top has remained eerily consistent. One would expect this to shorten over time if grinding were such a big factor. And let's not forget that completing the Grand Slam at the nominal age of 31 is the most unlikely achievement by any historical standard.
FWIW I've got Tilden, Laver and Sampras all with 7 year-end no. 1 spots, and Fed with 6. And we know Fed spent pretty much the same amount of time at the top as Pete (I know a few people will make a silly point about the ATP rankings, but that's because they fail to understand the ATP ranking system is just one out of many algorithms). Hardly any significant difference here.
Anyway I just hope we're clearer about each other's argument by now. I don't think there's much disagreement between us.
There´s been enormous discussions in Spain about Gimeno being better than Santana or the other way round.it is more a political fight than anything else.
IMO, Santana was a greater champion and Gimeno a more complete player.Had they played DC together, they are the only team in the 60´s able to pull up a fight against the unbeatable aussie squad.And maybe Spain would not have waited till the XXI century to win the cup.
What exactly was the disagreement about? Can you summarize?
best ever quartets:
1950´s: Davis,Coltrane,Jones and Garland
1960´s: Hoad,Laver,Gonzalez and Rosewall
1970´s: Page,Plant,Jones and Bonham
1980´s: Borg,Connors,Lendl and Mc Enroe
Expert Dan,
Santana won more tournaments because he stayed amateur (the weaker field) while Gimeno had the courage to face the best players in the world (Gonzalez, Rosewall, Laver). It's easier to win tournaments and majors against the likes of Emerson, Stolle and Pietrangeli than against Laver and Rosewall.
It's a shame, Dan, that I and other posters must explain you (again and again) the tennis history's basics.
I love Zep, but how do you intertwine that with tennis?
Long time long talk. Just to repeat I don't think there's much disagreement between me and krosero, but it's about whether the pro/amateur split is the biggest factor in Laver's seemingly late dominance in 1969. I think it is while krosero doesn't. In Tilden's case it's probably his time away from the game, which we saw manifest itself as recently as this past decade in Agassi.
NonP, Your statement that it's thus the more reason Beethoven did not invent Jazz because that name was not known in Beethoven's time, is beyond my understanding and logic. It's your own, special logic!
A person can invent a new thing or music or religion or wharever decades or centuries before it is reinvented by others, even though the first inventor does not know or use the invention's name of the later time (sorry for my English). We talk about the thing not about it's name!!!
It's easy to understand: Beethoven invented Jazz but did not give that new music the name Jazz which was an American name of later generations. You can't deny LvB this his genial invention.
Okay. Just wondering. You both are very rational posters and I was curious what the disagreement was about but apparently there was none.
Sorry for double posting this.
NonP, Your statement that it's thus the more reason Beethoven did not invent Jazz because that name was not known in Beethoven's time, is beyond my understanding and logic. It's your own, special logic!
A person can invent a new thing or music or religion or whatever decades or centuries before it is reinvented by others, even though the first inventor does not know or use the invention's name of the later time (sorry for my English). We talk about the thing itself not about it's name!!!
It's easy: Beethoven invented Jazz but did not give that new music the name Jazz which was an American name of later generations. You can't deny LvB this his genial invention.
I was not talking just about the name. For the umpteenth time, an invention is more than its parts. You're still confusing jazziness with jazz.
Anyway it's obvious you're not going to change your mind. Let's just disagree.
I prefer to think so, yes.
NonP, You are a little liar: You yet answered: "Thus the more it's reason that Beethoven did not "invent" Jazz" as a reply to my words that Stravinsky did not called it Boogie-Woogie because that term was not known in Beethoven's time. Please stay honest!
Why should I change my mind about Betthoven#s invention. I'm old enough and have heard enough classic and Jazz mucic to be able to differ between "jazziness" and "jazz"...
You would be on better grounds to call me a "liar" if that's the only thing I said about this whole question of invention. I didn't. Calm down and read more carefully.
Look, you're the same one who thinks Haydn is the Roy Emerson of "classic" "mucic," so excuse me for not thinking so highly of your self-proclaimed expertise. And I never even said you should change your mind, as you're wont to do regarding your idol Rosewall all the time.
Anyway here's some players I believe at least have some reasonable reasons to be in the top ten of all time.
Many on this list can easily be argued for the best ever.
Nadal may belong already but I prefer to err on the side of caution. Not sure about Novak Djokovic yet in the top ten. His peak is one of the best but again I prefer to wait.
NonP, I'm sorry for "liar" but I have clearly shown that you have changed your mind within of a few minutes (I have quoted your words). I use to read the words of posters very carefully...
Your high opinion of unfeeling Haydn shows me that you have not been impressed by classic music that much. You probably have not "understood" Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert...
The next changing of your mind: You yet have insinuated I should change my opinion. Every reader can read your words clearly.
You have not understood my admiration for Rosewall. I never admired Muscles alone. I also admire Laver, Gonzalez,Roche, Tilden, Vines, Nüsslein, Kovacs, Segura, Gimeno and others. I specially admire those who are underrated by the fans and experts.
Rafa should be in there if we're going to include anyone other than the Magnificent Seven (Tilden, Gonzales, Rosewall, Laver, Borg, Sampras & Federer).
Nole I agree is not there yet. I frankly must say, as a fan, that his peak tends to be overrated these days. I'm fairly confident that Pete & Fed had a higher gear than Novak, and that if they were to play each other in that fantasy matchup series Nole would have a losing record, however slight the margin might be. And trust me, I was one of his biggest supporters long before most of us had even heard of him.
I haven't changed my tune a bit. I clearly made an additional point or two after the comment you referred to.
Actually Hadyn is not one of my favorites, and Bach is hands down the GOAT in my book, with Mozart and Beethoven right behind (though I find much of Wolfgang's oeuvre too polite and innocuous). Schubert is somewhere in the top 10 but not in the same exalted group. Still I'd never say a composer's of Haydn's importance and invention was some kind of a second-rate mug. Same thing with Wagner whose music often bores me to tears.
When you try to persuade the implicit purpose is to change the audience's opinion. When it became clear that you would not change yours I simply suggested that we agree to disagree. There was nothing muddled about my position.
That's not what I was talking about. Anyway it's best not to get into it here, as this "discussion" has taken on a life of its own where it shouldn't have.
No, no significant disagreement.
Good to know.
Pockets and Jonsy the all round stick
Lew and Robert the killing act
Gonzo and Bonzo the thundergod rithim
Rod and Jimmy, the pure genious
Then you must admire Kodes and Stolle who are underrated
Kodes equals Vines while Stolly doubles Roche whom he baggeled in the RG final that, of course, Stolle won
It's hard to say with Djokovic because his great year of 2011 was superior to any year Sampras has had. It's up there with any year in the Open Year. Do I think Djokovic is as skilled as Sampras? Maybe not but one major thing that Djokovic has over almost anyone in the Open Era is his unbelievable backhand. He can do far more off the backhand than Sampras, Federer, Becker, Lendl and I believe Nadal in my opinion. To me that is huge because obviously hitting the backhand is a major part of your groundies. I think one of the great reasons that Djokovic is so mobility is that he doesn't have to cheat to cover his backhand as many players do to hit an offensive shot but he can do that easily with his backhand. I've seen Federer, despite his excellent mobility get burnt by shots to the open forehand side because he's moved over to his backhand side to hit his excellent backhand.
Djokovic can attack off shots to the backhand that most players would have to play defensively. I've seen very few in the Open Era that can do that as well as Djokovic. I think Connors, Borg, Rosewall and Laver did it on the same level but very few.
Budge won the big thing he must be included
It amazes me he is not
He's up there but I feel he's vastly overrated because so many in the past have called him the GOAT and I don't see it judging by his record. I guess if I have Segura there I should put Budge there. Actually Riggs should be there also. I'll change it.
I can see NonP's point .... while Novak's 2011 is superior to any year sampras had, I think NonP was referring to more to match wise peak ... and let's not forget that one point could've shifted Novak's 2011 from an ATG season to just a very very good season ... ( fed had MPs vs him @ the USO )
that is true ..
very rarely happened at the peak of his powers .... players used to fear going to the FH wing ... only post-prime federer with major decline in movement to his right, that is the case
agassi, safin, nalbandian, kafelnikov,wawrinka, korda, davydenko ... I honestly wouldn't include borg in that list ...
oh my, what a retort ! I'm astounded and speechless !
but I can still muster up this ...
rosewall's competition in the pros from 61-63 was weak >>> deal with it :twisted:
Are you giving 1999 to sampras and 2003 to fed ? based on level on play in select tournaments ?
even leaving aside the ATP algorithms, any other fair system considering the whole year would probably give those to agassi and roddick ..... (fed would be closer to roddick than sampras to agassi )
Vrinka Vrinka waaaawrinka!!!!
the only two musical genious of the 20 century were miles Davis and Jimmy Page.They are in the same league as Beethoven and Mozart since music was never the same after their work.
Your Magnificent Seven are 7 of my top 9. I also include Nadal and Budge.
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The lights come up, the crowd erupts, and jazz musician Walter Smith III steps onto the stage at Berklee College of Music in New York City. Smith III plays hundreds of gigs a year, so the sights and sound are familiar, but there is one thing about this show that's different from all the others: it's being recorded and streamed live over the Internet.
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Smith III jumped on the trend for his March 7 Berklee show, which was part of NPRMusic's The Checkout – Live at Berklee, which brings critically acclaimed, New York-based Berklee alumni back to their alma mater for concerts to be streamed live online and on the radio.
Amy Schriefer, Sr. Product & Events Manager of NPR Music, said she also believes streaming live concerts is a trend that won't be going away anytime soon. "As the industry changes and budgets shrink, we're hearing from more artists that it just makes sense to do one show that reaches dozens of markets on the web and on the air," she said. "The majority of our live webcasts are done in partnership with our member public radio stations, providing exposure on multiple platforms. The Checkout Live series, which features live jazz shows from venues, including Berklee, is aired on WBGO and webcast simultaneously on NPR Music."
Smith III, who just released the new album found his show to be a positive experience. "It works well because people who wanted to go to the show but couldn't can now see it. Whether they can't make it due to distance, lack of tickets, or other reasons, this gives them a chance to see the performance." It also doesn't hurt that the musicians don't have to do anything differently for the streamed shows — except maybe shorten a song or set here and there, he explained.
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The extreme violence of the jihadist Islamic State group has intensified the debate in Europe over radical Islam.
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MANTI Te'o, Notre Dame's star linebacker, was one of the feel-good stories of the 2012 United States college football season, excelling on the field despite the deaths of his grandmother and his girlfriend, he said, within hours of each other.
On Wednesday, that story fell apart when the website Deadspin published an article saying that Te'o's girlfriend never existed.
Notre Dame said in a statement that Te'o was the victim of ''what appears to be a hoax in which someone using the fictitious name Lennay Kekua apparently ingratiated herself with Manti and then conspired with others to lead him to believe she had tragically died of leukaemia''.
Te'o released his own statement, saying he was the target ''of what was apparently someone's sick joke and constant lies'', calling the situation ''painful and humiliating''.
At a news conference on Wednesday night, Jack Swarbrick, Notre Dame's athletic director, said Te'o received a phone call in early December from a number that he thought to be Kekua's. The voice on the phone was one he had believed to be hers, and the person was telling Te'o that she was not dead.
Te'o and his family told the university about the situation on December 26, Swarbrick said, at which point Notre Dame asked an independent investigative company to look into the matter.
Much remains unclear about whether Te'o was duped or if he somehow perpetrated the fictitious story of having a girlfriend who died during the season. But it is clear that Te'o and the university were well aware of the situation during the onslaught of news media coverage during the lead-up to the national championship game on January 7. Neither corrected the record until the Deadspin article was published.
Swarbrick said it was his understanding that, until the Deadspin article was published, Te'o and his family planned to make a public statement about the situation next week. On January 3, four days before the national championship game, Te'o was asked directly about how the commotion and excitement of the football season helped him cope with the deaths of his girlfriend and grandmother. ''I think whenever you're in football, it takes your mind off a lot of things,'' he said, not directly mentioning the girlfriend.
Swarbrick said there was no attempt to conceal the story.
''This story was coming out,'' he said. ''There was too much online chatter about it.''
Swarbrick said the university investigation found that the motive for creating a fake persona to trick Te'o had simply been the sport of it.
Te'o said that over an extended period of time, he had developed an emotional relationship with a woman he met online. He did not say whether they had met in person, but he did say that they had maintained a relationship online - and on the phone, ''and I grew to care deeply about her''.
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This years Con was a great success! We hosted almost 1100 people this year and have once again outgrown our venue!
This was my first year running events for Looney Labs and I have to say they were a great hit. Fellow Game Tech Mike Cowper ran a basic Pyramid event as well as some Zendo games. I ran Cadet training, which was extremely busy, as well as Fluxx games (also a hit). The Looney Lounge I had was ok, but I will detail that in another post. Lastly, I had scheduled to run Are You A Werewolf? and it was scheduled to the max the day prereg went live. I was a little nervous as I had never run one and expectations of some of the group was high. In swooped fellow Game Tech Bart Janssens who not only offered to be moderator, but volunteered his brand new Deluxe version of the game (with the viewers) for the game. Major Hit!
Being my first "live" (not family) event, I have a few growing pains to get past, but overall, I think it was a great experience. Thanks again to Mike and Bart and all the players who helped make this such a fun weekend.
I will follow this up with individual event reports as time permits, I just wanted to get something down about the Con.
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Yeah, that was fun. Glad I could help!
Great Job Chris and Mike and Bart for what looks like a great experience for the gamers! Cant wait to hear more about the Cadet training and response for Pyramids and of course Fluxx and Werewolf!
And, thanks for the report!
I hope to attend the next Who's Yer Con, money/time/wife's health permitting.


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And local civic groups and churches around the Arkansas River Valley are gearing up for Easter by hosting Easter egg hunts this weekend.
Perhaps the largest egg hunt planned is the Pottsville Community Easter egg hunt scheduled for Saturday at the Pottsville Middle Grade gymnasium.
"Last year we stuffed 22,000 eggs," coordinator Pam Neighbors said of the number of plastic eggs used in the event. "This year, we stuffed 30,000 eggs. We've really planned a Spring Easter Fest complete with games and lots of prizes."
The annual event began six years ago as a small hunt hosted at the Unity Assembly of God Church in Pottsville, but it grew each year until the egg hunt outgrew the church's property.
"It really did begin as a small church Easter egg hunt," Neighbors said. "We didn't have very many children in our congregation at the time, so we put up fliers around town and invited the community. We stuffed 1,000 eggs and about 100 families attended. It grew exponentially each year after that until we finally had to find a new location."
Neighbors said the second year the church stuffed 2,500 eggs and had more than 100 kids in attendance. The following years they increased the amount of eggs to 5,000 and then 10,000.
"We couldn't do more than 10,000 eggs at the church," Neighbors said. "We didn't have room. We adopt a school each year to partner with throughout the school year, so our pastor at the time asked Pottsville Middle Grade if we could have it there and they said 'yes.'"
Last year 22,000 eggs were hunted, but Neighbors said it was really more of an Easter gather.
"We divide the kids into three age groups and provide three different areas to hunt," Neighbors said. "Even that way there were so many eggs the kids didn't really have to hunt. It looked like confetti."
Neighbors said event coordinators pay particular attention to accommodate any children with special needs.
"Last year we had one young teen boy in a wheelchair," Neighbors said. "We let him hunt in a special area before the other children and he was grinning from ear to ear. We wanted to give him first dibs before the other children started gathering and then he was able to have a good time with the children, too. All the children were very respectful to him."
As the event grew, so did the need for additional support. The hunt went from one church's outreach ministry to the community's Easter egg hunt.
The annual event is sponsored by the Pottsville Ministerial Alliance and area businesses.
Registration for the event begins at 9 a.m. in the Pottsville Middle Grade gymnasium and includes games with prizes. After registration the three age divisions will hunt in separate areas for eggs stuffed with candy, money and small prizes.
"The kids all seemed to have a great time," Neighbors said. "Helen and Mike Smith are wonderful children's pastors and really keep the kids entertained. It is a great example for everyone to see that God doesn't mind everyone having a good time."
Recycle bins are provided by Unity Church to recycle the eggs for next year's hunt.
For more information, contact Neighbors at 857-3974.


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Cards excited to be in Civil Rights Game
Inaugural exhibition against Indians set for Saturday
By Matthew Leach / MLB.com
The city that is home to Stax Records, Graceland, FedEx and Rendezvous barbecue will host the inaugural Civil Rights Game on Saturday at 4:30 p.m. CT (5:30 ET). It's an ambitious event with a slew of different aims.
For the National Civil Rights Museum, it's a wonderful showcase and fundraising opportunity. For the Cardinals and Indians organizations, it's a chance to be part of a nationally televised event that Major League Baseball is putting its weight behind, not to mention a chance to do some good.
And for the players involved, it's one final chance to get tuned up for the 2007 Major League season, which starts for the Cardinals on Sunday night. Right-hander Adam Wainwright, who will start for St. Louis, relishes the chance to pitch in front of a packed house at AutoZone Park, with the lights on and a crowd twice the size of what he's seen in Grapefruit League play.
The game will be aired by ESPN and MLB.TV. A two-hour pregame show on MLB.TV will begin at 2:30 CT (3:30 ET).
"I look forward to a night game, playing in the late afternoon and getting a good baseball atmosphere like I'm used to," Wainwright said. "Plus the crowd -- any time there's a big crowd, I'm more comfortable. So it's exciting. And it's for a good cause."
The conditions, and the opponent, should present a stiffer challenge than what Cards pitchers have faced this spring. For just about all of March, the wind blew in at Grapefruit League parks.
Memphis isn't a hitters' haven, but it's a tougher place to pitch than southeastern Florida in March. And then there are the Cleveland hitters -- a group that includes mashers Travis Hafner, Grady Sizemore and Victor Martinez. Cleveland finished second in the Majors in runs scored in 2006.
"The exciting part for me is that they have a really, really good lineup," Wainwright said. "An amazing lineup. So it's an opportunity for me to test what I'm coming out of Spring Training with against one of the top lineups in the game."
The Civil Rights Game itself is only the centerpiece of a weekend full of events in Memphis. The Cardinals were chosen to play in the game partly because of their relationship with the city -- it's the home of St. Louis' Triple-A affiliate.
"It's important to commemorate and remember the Civil Rights Movement in our country," said third baseman Scott Rolen. "It's a great opportunity in a historic city that the Cardinals have a tie to, and it will be great to be a part of the event."
Said Cards general manager Walt Jocketty: "It's good to be part of an inaugural event that recognizes the Civil Rights Museum, the importance of it. Hopefully we will raise awareness and help bring some revenue to help their cause."
At the announcement of the event, last December, Major League Baseball laid out another intended effect of the game. Baseball hopes to draw more young African-Americans to play the game, reversing a steady decline in recent years.
"I'm not sure that one game necessarily helps that strategy, but I think that it's important for the industry that we try to attract African-American players back to the game," Jocketty said. "Major League Baseball is doing a good job of that right now with the academy in Compton and some of the other initiatives.
"But it's important. This game helps, and everything we can do to help raise that awareness is important."
It's just one more goal for a game and a weekend intended to accomplish so much.
Matthew Leach is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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Venezuela's T&A Problem
With everything going on in North Africa, the Middle East, Japan and the US, it has been a while since we took a look south to see what's happening in that infamous incubator of Ms. Universes, Venezuela. Turns out we picked the right moment to look that way because Hugo is once again bringing the crazy.
Most of the time when we have a bone to pick with El Presidente, it has something to do with his politics. Sure, we may lean to the left here at RSBS but I'm pretty sure I speak for both of us when I say that we see very little value in nationalizing companies. No matter which side of the political spectrum you hail from, though, Hugo may have finally gone too far this time around.
At this point I'm sure you're getting a little curious to know what it is that the leader and founder of the Bolivarian revolution has done. Did he club a baby seal? Has he proclaimed cashmere to be a tool of the capitalist devils? Did he proclaim red to be the new black?
No my friends, it's something much worse. Mr. Chavez declared a new public enemy number one in Venezuela: Breast Lifts. That's right, in a country facing rising import prices, a greatly decreased oil production capacity due to state mismanagement and the specter of sovereign default, somehow Venezuela's greatest problem is poor women getting breast implants.
Let's face reality, Hugo. At this point in time Venezuela has exactly two things going for it: its exportation of baseball players to the US market and its spectacular track record in winning Ms. Universe contests. Do you really want to attack the industry that makes the latter possible? And what's next? Decrying the use of precious natural resources in the making of baseball bats?
Although we here at RSBS are from being economic experts I hope we can be so bold as to propose a simple solution. At a point in time when crude is still selling at over 100 dollars a barrel, maybe instead of focusing on silicon and saline you should instead figure out how to increase oil production capacity. And if that fails, you can always turn your rage towards butt lifts.


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Game of Thrones fans, do not continue reading if you've yet to watch Sunday night's episode. Warning, major spoilers ahead!
We're only two episodes into the season and Game of Thrones just gave us a finale-worthy ending.
In a move that surely launched a thousand cheers of joy across Westeros, the HBO fantasy hit capped off its April 13 episode, "The Lion and the Rose," with the most shocking (and welcome?) death yet: King Joffrey (Jack Gleeson) died after drinking poisoned wine during his wedding celebration as his mother, Cersei (Lena Headey) and father-uncle, Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau), watched helplessly. Yes, TV's most hated character is dead, the Iron Throne is vacated and the seven kingdoms have lost their king, which means nothing will ever be the same on Game of Thrones.
We chatted with Coster-Waldau, who stars in the upcoming flick The Other Woman opposite Cameron Diaz and Leslie Mann, about the shocking episode and saying goodbye to Jack Gleeson after four seasons...
"I knew it was going to happen," Coster-Waldau says of the infamous royal union between Joffrey and Margery (Natalie Dormer), known as the Purple Wedding, which also served as Joffrey's last scene. "I knew for a long time. I think that Alex Graves, the director...it was a very complicated episode, the wedding takes so much time and everything, it was a really difficult shoot and I think the way he solved it was just brilliant."
And while most fans likely cheered when Joffrey took his last (pain-filled) breath, Coster-Waldau said it's hard not to feel sorry for the young king. (Ahem, speak for yourself there, Lannister!)
"What I like about it is that at the very end you just see a little boy who is scared and dying and I think for all the hatred you've given Joffrey—he's a horrible little kid—you still have that, 'Oh, he's still a kid,' and I think they accomplished that really well."
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He adds, "And the funny thing is he is going to be a missed character because you love to hate him!"
Though they didn't share many scenes together, despite the fact that they were father and son (secretly, anyway), Coster-Waldau says it was "sad" to film his last scene with Gleeson, which actually wasn't Joffrey's death.
"The funny thing is we had a scene in episode one when he's standing in front of the statue, we shot that a month later and that was the last scene we did together," he reveals. "[Jack Gleeson] is such a lovely kid, so that was pretty sad, of course."
What did you think of GOT's latest shocking death? Were you cheering after Joffrey died or sad to see him go? Sound off in the comments!


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The 'X Factor' Recap: Auditions #4But where are all of Greenboro's citizens? As the judges Land Rovers are driven upon the cities streets, Cowell and Spears both watch in horror as they see...no one.
'X Factor' Auditions Recap: Britney Sings & Talent ReignsThis week's contestants knocked it out of the park with their star-studded talent. But of course, every episode has to have its own share of wacky. There were handcuffs, a thief and Britney SINGS!


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Quote:Actually Neko, there are many people on this very forum that do not believe that tegumi was even a form of submission wrestling. They do not believe that grappling was used by karateka prior to the UFC to enhance their skill in karate. Again, my contention has always been that a form of submission wrestling was classically used by okinawans as a supplementary exercise which allows them to gain wrestling skill just like weight training does. I contend that this does make it a part of "karate." In addition, the joint locks, takedown/throws, and chokes in kata when combined with the wrestling skill obtained through grappling practice makes a complete karateka. This IS the old way, not a new way.
Quote:Maybe I am unusual, but I never liked the idea of a "complete" art anyway. Jack of all trades and master of none as they say!
Quote:It would take a martial arts historian to actively go out and search real answers and research everything possible for us to ever know a real answer. Then, the people would still need trust & faith in that persons discoveries. But once the map is made it is very easy to travel the path yourself if need be.We should feel so lucky that someone has done just that. Not only publishing his research but actively teaching it and creating a very easy to follow map in the process. It just takes work on the individuals part to comprehend it all at once and see the whole picture.This is a good start. http://www.koryu-uchinadi.com/original_five_fighting_arts.htmAnd I assure you, if anyone were to take the journey on their own they will find no greater truths than what Patrick McCarthy has presented us.
Quote:Once again you are being very selevtive with your interpretation of people's words. You keep presenting things most of us would agree on as things we would argue against, then claiming these are you original argument.
Quote:Problem is you seem to trying to claim Karate is a totally "complete" art, while simultaneously admitting that cross-training is required to complete it, only you don't like to call it crosstraining for some reason.
Quote:Secondly, it really doesn't matter to anyone but historians what the content of Tegumi was, since no one seems to practice it alongside Karate today.
Quote:We all know there are grappling techniques in Karate, however it appears that most people still need to gain some exposure to dedicated grappling arts (including the Okinawans, and you) to really flesh out this part of their training.
Quote:Problem is you seem to refuse to view it as crosstraining, even though for all practical purposes it sounds like it was even in Funakoshi's time.
Quote:Basically I think you are trying to fit Karate into the marketing mold of an MMA world, and then claiming it is "the original".
Quote:Obviously I love Karate and I feel it contains alot of what is needed for the broad category of "self defense", however I stop short of pretending my training in other things is magically enveloped under the mantle of "Karate" when clearly it is Ju Jitsu, or what have you.
Quote:Quote:Maybe I am unusual, but I never liked the idea of a "complete" art anyway. Jack of all trades and master of none as they say! I agree 100%, only so much time to train, good to prioritize what's what.
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Do you have any good suggestions for crossing IL from east to west, instead of using just the interstates? I'll be entering the state within 20 miles or so of Danville.
Do you have any good suggestions for crossing IL from east to west, instead of using just the interstates? I'll be entering the state within 20 miles or so of Danville.
I assume you are crossing Indiana on 36. 36 crosses Illinois just south of the old Coast to Coast road. If you want some local flavor this is it. PM me and I will explain how to pick the road up. JON
Well, actually I was thinking of crossing Indiana on SR 28. US 36 becomes interstate 72. I guess I could use US 136 cross state or connect with interstate 57 and 7. Is US 136 cross state interesting, or just a slower version of I 72?
Where do you want to be when you pop out on the west side of Illinois?
I disgree with the NoDoz reply above. I have criss-crossed Illinois on various backroads and generally find little or no traffic, light LEO presence, scenic small towns, and interesting mom and pop motels, small town cafes, and small friendly taverns for a cold one at the end of the day. It is real farming country, filled with honest hardworking people who are friendly towards motorcyclists.
Sure beats racing the truck behemoths on the super slab!
I thought I would take a route across northern missouri or southern iowa.
I guarantee you wouldn't be disasppointed with either route (barring disatrous weather, deer strike, or other nasty occurence)
Let me know if you are taking 136 as i am only 7 miles north of there on rt 29.Ed
Thanks gstom and rebake. It looks like 136 it is.
When you take 136 and pass through Clark County, Missouri, Don't mention my name or they might shoot you!!. Just kidding. I usually take hwy 169 at Stanberry,Missouri down to hwy 36 at St. Joe. Then on West to home.
Depending on time of day and season there is a nice roadside fruit stand in Troy, Kansas ( across the river three or four miles) that always has vine rippened tomatoes and melons in season. Always carried a salt shaker in tank bag for those rest stops at stands along the road.
Just thinking about riding back there again is driving me crazy. Doctors say it probably won't happen this year.
When will you be doing this trip?You're welcome to stop by -if Cindylu and i are not off on a trip somewhere. Also 136 will come to a t in Havana you will turn left and at the next light if you turn left,you will see a small diner-good food and really good pie.Then that street will take you west over the river and out of town. Ed


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BOSTON, May 11 (UPI) -- Law schools listing U.S. Senate hopeful Elizabeth Warren as a minority professor prompted her opponent to question if she used the claim to further her career.
Warren, a Democrat locked in a battle with Sen. Scott Brown, R-Mass., was listed as a minority at the University of Pennsylvania Law School in addition to her listing as a minority professor at Harvard University where she is on faculty, an April 2005 document obtained by The Hill indicated.
The revelation a second school listed Warren as a minority raised more questions about her claim of American-Indian heritage, The Hill reported Thursday.
Warren hasn't been able to independently authenticate her claim to the heritage and does not claim tribal membership. A genealogist told the Boston Herald Warren's great-great-great-grandmother may have been Cherokee, which would make Warren 1/32 Native American.
"At every law school where Elizabeth was recruited to teach, it has been made absolutely clear she was hired based on merit, on her accomplishments and ability," Warren spokeswoman Alethea Harney said. "Documents from the college and law school from which she graduated show that Elizabeth did not seek special treatment by acknowledging her Native American heritage."
Brown's campaign is among those who have questioned whether Warren used the claim to advance her career, which Warren has denied.
Warren said she didn't know Harvard named her as a minority when promoting faculty diversity. She also said she never mentioned her heritage when seeking employment.
In a University of Pennsylvania "minority equity report," published in April 2005, Warren's listing indicated she was a minority.
Brown's campaign has called on Warren to "come clean" about the listings.
"As candidates for high public office, we have a duty to be transparent and open and not hide behind a wall of silence in the midst of public controversy," Brown said.


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Padma Lakshmi is the fabulous host of Bravo's Top Chef, a role she has filled since 2006. But her career is much more varied than talking in front of a camera and sampling some dishes. The Indian born cutie actually got her start in modeling, appearing in many of the top magazines and displaying the designs of some of the top stylists in the world.
She thrust herself into the world of food by publishing a cookbook in 1999, Easy Exotic, which was named "Best First Book" at the World Cookbook Awards. Based on the success of the book, she was hired to host her own Food Network Series, Padma's Passport, and her television career began. Since then she has appeared in numerous films and television programs, and her name has become synonymous with "Tangy, Tart, Hot and Sweet", which also happens to be the name of her second cookbook.
We recently had the chance to catch up with Padma in relation to her work with Sterling Vineyards, and of course asked her the Gunaxin Six Questions. Check out that interview to find out what she is up to now, and check the gallery below to see what she has been up to in the past :


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" Brand: Gaviscon / Type: Infant form of Gaviscon assisting with regurgitation and reflux problems "
* Prices may differ from that shown
Our poor little Casey had a lot of problems with her feeding as a baby due to her having a condition called russell silvers which resulted in her having a lot of gastric reflux and not gaining her weight very quickly.
After trying numerous other things which either didnt work or had really bad side effects this was suggested to us by our peodiatrition at the hospital.
Infant gaviscon has two active ingredients sodium algenate and magnesium algenate which are both quite natural substances found in seaweed although i wouldnt fancy eating the seaweed itself.
These work by acting directly in the stomach to stop its contents being allowed to go back up out of the stomach and be regurgitated which is what reflux is.
Regurgitation as any parent will know is normal in babies as the muscles at the bottom of the osophogus isnt formed properly which is what allows babies to bring back small amounts of there feed without discomfort like we would have if we were sick and it is normal for babies to bring back a bit of milk but in Caseys case she was bringing back way too much which was seriously effecting her weight gain so we had to use these to control it.
I was happy to give this medicin a try as it was natural and worked directly in Caseys stomach to thicken her stomach contents making it harder for her to bring her feeds back but didnt contain anything that would go into her blood stream so shouldnt have caused any nasty side effects.
This worked really well for Casey to our relief unlike all the other things we had tried, it is available to buy over the counter for use with children over a year old but we had to get it on prescription as Casey was a lot younger than this. I was not convinced something so natural would work after everything else we had tried but this was brilliant, Casey used to still bring back really small amounts so it didnt stop her reflux completely but it helped loads and allowed her to keep enough down to gain weight and get the vital nutrition she needed from it which was the main thing.
When my first daughter was born we had an absolute nightmare feeding her and getting her to keep milk down she would scream and scream then throw up milk and clear liquid with a strong acid smell (lovely huh?!). After lots of trips back and forth to the doctors she was eventually diagnosed with acid reflux. She was prescribed with infant gaviscon.
Because she was prescribed with it and is obviously under 16 we didn't pay for the infant gaviscon just picked it up from the chemist. You can buy it over the counter though and are looking at paying £4.50. Personally I would recommend checking with your doctor first though so you are treating the right thing and then you get it free too!
Infant gaviscon comes in a greenish coloured box with the gaviscon logo and infant written under it. There is also a picture of a mother and baby. Inside the box are 15 dual sachets of the medicine, giving you 30 invidual doses. Unlike adult gaviscon infant gaviscon is in a powder form. To use you mix 1 or 2 sachets into their milk or into a paste if you breast feed and give as instructed by your doctor. The gaviscon thickens the milk thus making it harder to throw up.
From using gaviscon with my both my girls I have picked up some useful tips along the way.
Firstly if you are bottle feeding I suggest you mix in the gaviscon first into the hot water using a spoon as if you just put it in with the formula it will clump together and block the teat.
Again if you are bottle feeding you will probably want to consider going up a teat size especially if you are using newborn teats as baby will have trouble getting the thicker milk through such a small hole.
Give it time! Don't expect it to work from the first feed it will take a while for it to be effective.
Each dose of Gaviscon Infant Sachets contains: Sodium Alginate 225mg Magnesium Alginate 87.5mg Also contains Mannitol and is sugar free.Each sachet contains approximately 21mg of Sodium.
How it works-
Aswell as thicken the milk to make it easier to keep down infant gaviscon also mixes with all the contents of the stomach and stabilises it which in turn helps prevent sickness and reflux of any acid.
For us it worked amazingly. I went from having a unsettled fussy baby who screamed constantly and began to refuse feeds to one who was settled, feeding well and sleeping better. It was like having a totally different baby. My first daughter was on it for the first year and my second only needed it for 6 months so it really depends on your baby and how bad their reflux is as to how long they will be on it.
Extra information-
Infant gaviscon should never be used on babies under one year unless prescribed by a doctor.
Dosage information and possible side effects are listed in the instruction leaflet that is included in the box with the sachets.
Overall infant gaviscon was a total life and sanity saver for me and my girls. Its so hard watching your little one so distressed and gaviscon made that better. They would still spit up a little but it didn't cause distress to them or me! It takes some getting used to on how to mix it properly and the correct dose for your baby but it is so worth it in the end.
5 out of 5 stars for making my girls happier and giving me settled babies!
Gaviscon Infant sachets were prescribed for our baby when it was suspected that she had reflux - a condition by which milk/stomach acid is regurgitated in the babies' throat and they cry for more milk, the milk soothes the pain of the burning but then the cycle starts over again. Babies who cry when they are lay flat on their backs and babies who cluster feed may show signs of having reflux. They are often 'sicky babies' and may throw up more than just a bit of milk.
== My Opinion==
I should say that after just a few feeds of using this, it became clear that reflux was not the issue, more like over indulgence of milk/being unable to produce dirty nappies - both of which caused our baby to be sick. For us, the Gaviscon Infant made no difference to whether the baby could keep the milk down or not. However, I have heard many a parent saying they swear by it if indeed the baby did have reflux. However, having used the Gaviscon for over a week for six feeds a day, I feel qualified to have an opinion on it. Firstly, it comes in sachets which you have to fiddle around with to make into a paste with boiling water, add 5ml first then make it into a paste then add another 10ml to make it into a solution - mine never seemed to go into a paste, 5ml always seemed way too much given the amount of powder our little one was supposed to have (varies with weight/age of baby - check box!). It is then suggested to give it to the baby in a bottle. Going out of the house with enough sterile bottles for both the milk and gaviscon separately was a pest for me. I also felt like the baby was sucking in more air trying to drink a small 15ml out of the bottle and ended up giving herself more wind and caused her to be sick more often. Surely it would just be simpler to provide a non-needle syringe with the sachets or better still provide a syringe PLUS a liquid that could be syringe'd into the babies mouth or added to the babies bottle really easily and quickly? I'm sure there is some reason why they must provide it as a powder but for me it was just a nuisance, although obviously you'd try anything to make the baby feel better, I felt the manufacturers could have thought about it a little bit more!
The Gaviscon didn't work for us but although it was diagnosed as suspected reflux, I don't think it was which is why I don't think the Gaviscon worked particularly well. I do think they could produce the product in a more parent-friendly manner, so for that reason I'm giving the product a 3 out of 5. However, if your baby does have suspected reflux, it could help so don't rule it out as a possible solution
My youngest daughter struggled keeping her feeds down so at 5 weeks she was started on Gaviscon infant by our doctor to see if it could improve the situation.
The Gaviscon comes in little sachets and are packaged in a box of 30, it is very easy to see the product is Gaviscon it has the same colour as seems to run through most of its products and the well known logo across the top of the box, there is a faded out picture of a mother snuggling a baby on the box.
Gaviscon works by thickening the feed and hopefully as it keeps thickening it will remain in the stomach, obviously it only thickens for a set length of time but because it thickens the feeds you cannot make them in advance. My daughter had to use one sachet of the product to begin with but then as she put on weight she moved to 2 sachets, the doctor told us at the time what weight to increase at but I can't actually remember what the weight was, the Gaviscon can only be put into 6 feeds per day but that's all Emily was having by 5 weeks of age so that wasn't an issue for us.
The sachets are really easy to use, you simply cut or tear across the top of the sachet and pour into your babies bottle, it can be mixed with breast milk, water or formula. The powder dissolves easily into the bottle although I did find it was best to swirl it from side to side until most the powder had dissolved and then give it a good shake otherwise occasionally the powder would clump in the teat.
The Gaviscon did make a difference to my daughter although not enough of a difference on its own so she ended up being put on SMA Staydown and the 2 products together were fantastic.
I would say this product is worth a try if your child is struggling with reflux, Emily ended up staying on this until she was about 6 months old and then stayed on the milk until she was weaned onto cows milk so we no longer had any problems with her which was brilliant and made for a much happier baby.
My baby has been sick constantly since birth. He would be sick all day long, and all night. He would throw most of his feeds up, straight after his bottle and for hours afterwards, he would still be throwing it up! When I took him to the doctors, I was told he had reflux, and he was prescribed this infant Gaviscon after months of trying other things such as sitting him up for half an hour after feeds etc.
Gaviscon is meant to help the contents of your stomach stay down by thickening it. I got a box of 30 sachets, and was told to mix one sachet in his bottle, which was 4 ounces/120mls at the time when I tried it. He was under 10 pounds though at the time, he was very young, if they are over 10 pounds, the dosage is 2 sachets in 225ml of milk. You can't give them more than 6 in 24 hours, so he had 2 bottles without, as he was drinking 8 bottles a day at the time! It can also be made up with water, or with breast milk.
The sachets are to be mixed with your babies milk, and it did dissolve really easily. The sachets are quite big for the amount of powder in them, they are about half full. They are really easy to rip open, you just tear at one end. The powder is very fine, and I had no problem mixing it in with my babies milk. My baby couldn't have tasted it either, as it didn't affect him drinking his milk at all.
Unfortunately, this Gaviscon did not work for my son. I can't even say it made a slight difference, because it didn't. It had no effect on him at all, even after persevering with it for a weeks and weeks. My health visitor told me it does take a long time for it to work, but I was just not seeing any improvement at all, and felt I was giving my baby medicine for nothing. My baby is now 8 months old and has just got better on his own since he has been eating solids. He is hardly sick anymore, only now and again, so I am glad I gave it a go to help him when he was younger, I couldn't just ignore it and do nothing, but he has just got better on his own, which a lot of people also said would happen.
I would recommend Gaviscon if you wanted to give it a go, even though it didn't work for my baby, it may do for yours! It was easy to use and make up in his bottles, and my baby had no problem drinking it, it's just a shame it had no effect on him at the time!
==Gaviscon Infant==
Gaviscon Infant is a pharmacy only product and you can therefore only get this product with a doctor's prescription, however I have seen it for sale on Amazon UK. I first noticed a problem with my little boy when he was around 3 and a half weeks old he began projectile vomiting between feeds and also having small bouts of diarrhoea I was concerned as I knew it didn't take long for babies to become dehydrated and I was worried at the fact it was projectile and not normal vomiting. On seeing the first doctor they prescribed this as they presumed it was Reflux, we later found out it was a minor case of Pyloric Stenosis but it does not require surgery. Anyway, we received one box of this to try it at first and he is now on repeat prescription due to its effectiveness in minimising the vomit in which my son was bringing up.
Firstly, the box contains 30 doses which are attached in 2s, this is a bit of a pain as when my baby was first put onto Gaviscon he was under 4.5kg so he only required 1 sachet per bottle and he was allowed 6 doses a day. I was therefore forced to cut the sachets so they were individuals rather than double sachets, when I didn't I was left with powder everywhere whenever I then had to open the second sachet as there would be a small amount left from the first sachet. The sachets themselves are not easy to open they require you to cut them, this is a bit of a pain when you are out and you have to carry scissors in your changing back to be able to open them properly ( I am unsure how I am going to get round this when it comes to travelling home). If your baby is over 4.5 kg then they use 2 sachets this therefore minimise the cut in between both sachets but you will still need to cut the tops to get at the medication.
One thing to note about this product is that it has to be made up with no less than 120ml of formula or 1 tbsp. of breast milk depending on your method of feeding. The breast feeding method therefore will create a paste like substance for you to administer to your little one or the formula method will just be added to their bottle just before you give it to them, do not leave it in the bottle for too long before feeding. The made problem with the formula feeding method is that if your baby is on less than 120ml feeds you still have to prepare the feed to this amount and are therefore forced to waste formula and also the amount of Gaviscon will be less if your baby is not drinking the full bottle, I didn't have this problem until they suggested that due to my baby's condition I should feed him every 2 hours with 60ml bottles, this was impractical as my baby gets very agitated if he doesn't receive a full feed which was then 120ml regardless of the previous vomiting.
The Gaviscon comes as a cream coloured powder and doesn't really have a smell which is surprising considering the smell it produces when it comes out! Changing baby's bum can cause a somewhat eye watering experience! The products effectiveness can be seen after about 1 day of use, like all medicines it takes a while for the product to settle and become effective. I have found that it has reduced vomiting and my little boy is gaining more weight every week, he was gaining weight with the vomiting but not as much as he should have been. The Gaviscon does make my little boy pass bowel movements more frequently, whereas before he would only have 1 bowel movement per day and he now has about 3 or 4 this is normal and I would rather this than him losing the milk before he has had change to get the nutrition he needs from it.
Gaviscon works by helping to bring up the babies wind to help prevent food sitting on air bubbles which then forces to food out of the baby, it is normal for the baby to then burp themselves, however, you should always burp the baby to ensure that there is no air left in the babies stomach as this itself can lead to vomiting and stomach ache.
If your baby has similar problems such as reflux or other gastrointestinal problems and this has not been offered to you I would highly recommend asking for this at a doctor's appointment to see if this helps with the problem. Overall the product is highly effective even if it is a bit of a nightmare to individual separate the sachets.
One of our twins was only a few weeks old when we first noticed her struggling to swallow not long after a feed, she would also be sick after some feeds and grunt in discomfort after others. Her GP prescribed Infant Gaviscon for her.
What is reflux?
Very simply babies suffer from reflux when the valve at the top of their stomach doesn't close properly allowing the contents to travel back up sometimes making baby sick and the acid can burn baby on the way.
How does Infant Gaviscon work?
The product is described as working by 'stabilising the stomach content.
The box contains 30 doses and a patient information leaflet. The dose sachets are in pairs so 15 of these in a box. You have to cut the sachets apart if you are only going to be using one and you also have to cut the sachet open. It has cut here and --- printed across one corner of the sachet but I found it easier to cut across the bottom of the sachet to get all the powder out. A few perforations wouldn't go a miss!
How to use the product
This varies depending on the age and weight of your baby and whether you are bottle or breast feeding. The leaflet explains the number of sachets to use and how to mix it. The bottle feeding instructions are simply to add the sachet to at least 115ml/4oz of feed. Unfortunately I was mainly breast feeding and the top up bottles weren't big enough to be able to follow the bottle feeding instructions. The instructions for breast feeding involve mixing the sachet with 5ml of cooled boiled water to make a paste then adding another 10ml and mixing again. I found this a lot of extra work, just remembering to boil the kettle before the feed was a challenge! It advises mixing in a glass but I found this really difficult and quickly swapped to using a sterilised small plastic pot I had. The first time I tried feeding to baby she refused it, we tried a spoon, syringe and bottle and she wasn't having any of it. We then tried adding 15ml expressed milk to the solution in a bottle and finally she drank it which was a great relief. The instructions say to give it at the end of a feed but by the end of a feed she wasn't hungry anymore we did it halfway through the feed.
You can use up to 6 doses a day, we never used it for night feeds as it worked with just the daytime feeds.
How quickly does it work?
It took best part of a week to start seeing an improvement, I was expecting it to start working straight away but the health visitor advised to give it time.
Any side effects?
We found that that she started getting constipated after a few days of taking it which we solved with a small amount of cooled boiled water between feeds. Once her reflux was under control we reduced the number of doses to find a balance where the reflux was still under control but she wasn't constipated.
Would I recommend?
Yes, it worked for us and I was pleased that we didn't have to go down the route of stronger medications.
I have a 5 month old son who has always brought a lot of his bottle of milk back up after each feed and i mean A LOT. I felt so sorry for my poor little baby always being sick so much after every bottle i gave him, his bibs were soaked and his little mouth always full of sick as he was sometimes hesitant to spit it out. I was starting to get quite worried by the amount of his milk he was bringing back up and i suspected that he may have had some kind of intolarence to the milk, i tried a few different types of milk for him but he was still just as bad which is why i took him to see the doctor.
The doctor said it was unlikely that he had an intolerance to the milk is he was only 3 months old and it is apparently quite rare to develop an intolarence to milk at that age. Instead she insisted that my son probably had reflux problems which is why he was being so sick after every bottle. Babies get reflux because the muscular valve at the end of their food pipe, which is designed to keep food down, hasn't developed properly yet so it causes them to bring their milk back up.
The doctor prescribed these Gaviscon Infant Sachets to help with the reflux problems and minimise the amount my son was being sick. I was surprised that this is what the Gaviscon Infant Sachets were designed to do as i'd always thought that Gaviscon was only for heart burn and indigestion, but obviously the infant sachets work differently.
These sachets are suitable for babies from 4 months old up to 2 years, but the doctor gave us the go ahead to give them to my son at 3 months as he is a slightly bigger than average baby. The powder sachets are added to your babies bottle of milk, you pour two little scahets into the bottle of milk which must contain at least 225ml or more of feed and then shake. My son however was only on 180ml bottles so the doctor said to just pour one sachet into his feed until they increased in size.
My baby didn't seem to notice any difference in the taste to his milk and he still drank it happily, but unfortunately I noticed no difference in the amount of milk he brought back up after his feeds, he was still being quite sick so the sachets haven't had much of an effect for him. Perhaps it's because I can only give him one sachet with his bottle being so small, it might work better for babies on bigger bottle who can have two sachets, but i won't know until i've tried this.
So i wouldn't say these sachets work very well for younger babies, they haven't had the desired effect for us but I will probably give them another go when the size of my sons bottles increase.
Please note you can only give the sachets to your baby a maximum of 6 times in 24 hours. You can get these sachets prescribed for free with the NHS if you take your baby to see your GP.


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BRATTLEBORO -- Organizers still are looking for donations and volunteers for this year's community Thanksgiving dinner.
The buffet-style dinner is scheduled for noon to 5 p.m. Nov. 22 at the Robert H. Gibson River Garden on Main Street. The dinner is free for all, and it is once again expected to attract 500 or more people.
"It's a wonderful way for the community to get together," said Lindsay Cobb, a member of the organizing committee. "For me, it's kind of what Thanksgiving was originally."
This is the ninth annual dinner at the River Garden, 157 Main St. But organizers say the community-dinner tradition stretches back more than 35 years in Brattleboro to the former Common Ground restaurant.
The gathering includes vegan and gluten-free options as well as deliveries to shut-ins in the Brattleboro area. And putting it all together requires extensive planning.
"We usually start meeting in early to mid-September and meet once a week every week," Cobb said.
He adds that volunteers are the "backbone" of the effort, with some returning every year and/or driving in from out of state to contribute their time to the dinner.
The dinner committee still needs assistance for next week's event, and they've set up a list of contacts for those who want to help:
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Cobb said that, at this point, more assistance is needed for cleanup than for setup.
-- To help prepare vegetables on Wednesday, Nov. 21, at Brattleboro Masonic Lodge at 196 Main St. -- and for other kitchen work -- call Ian Bigelow at 802-579-7903.
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a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 20, 2007 at 10:26 am
> The bill would require broadcasters to provide educational
> programming for children. Finally, the bill would reduce the
> term of a broadcast license from eight years until renewal to
> three years to provide more oversight.
As usual, the poorly educated Anna Eshoo is off-the-mark and out-of-tune with the reality.
The emergence of IP-TV completely changes the calculus of local broadcasting. In the past, both Broadcast and Cable TV broadcasters had to deal with a limited number of "time slots" for programming. So, lots of "local" programming were ignored because there simply was little interest on the part of the public to pay for boring/disinteresting and content-limited "local programming"--such as city council and school board meetings. With IP-TV, there are no "time slots"--everything is now on-demand--driven by the users of each of these video services.
Any/every city that wants to web-cast its meetings can do so with inexpensive site licenses for server-end software, and the cost of server storage space to hold video/audio streams. The local government agencies can do all of this without having to deal with local media centers, broadcasters or cable people. They simply decide to web-cast, and then go do it.
The mainstream broadcasters are now web-casting many of the prime-time shows. BBC is supposed to be offering world-wide access to their in-Britain programming in 2007 (or 2008), which will likely put a crimp in those local public stations that have previously offered BBC programming in the US via broadcast and cable.
It is probably premature to suggest that broadcast TV is a "thing of the past", but Eshoo's bill certainly does nothing to help local broadcasters, while ignoring the fact that IP-TV reduces the need for the for-profit broadcasters to have to subsidize the various programming that Eshoo seems to be championing.
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 20, 2007 at 10:35 am
There is still a paucity of public programming. Also, 10's of millions of people still get a lot of their entertainment and information from TV. That will continue for quite some time.
Eshoo's bill in right on!
It's about time we had better public programming services from the broadcasters, who have bombarded our culture with garbage, and do all they can to keep the media from being what it naturally wants to be - i.e. "free".
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 20, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Listen to the PSA announcements now - many of them are pseudo science and PC crap. This bill is the Hush Rush Act of 2007, and don't mistake it for anything else. Remarkable how the liberal love od free speach is so narrowly interpreted when they have the power. Hey Anna, don't taze me, Sis!
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 20, 2007 at 1:10 pm
How ironic all those lib bumper stickers about "remember civil liberties?" seem now. Have you libs read the constitution? How is the government dictating programming anything but prima facie abridgment of the freedom of the press?
Maybe we should examine bookstores next. I was in Books Inc. at Stanford Mall recently - it seems that most of the current events books have a decidedly liberal slant. Should they be forced to carry more anti-Hillary books? They sure have enough anti-Bush books.
Whether its the conservatives attacking Howard Stern or libs attacking Sean Hannity, it's wrong and contrary to the principles our country was built on.
These phony-soy-baloney politicians on both sides need to be replaced with people that actually respect freedom and democracy, and accept that there is and always will be a diversity of viewpoints in an ever-expanding media marketplace.
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 20, 2007 at 5:43 pm
The Stalinist maneuvers are out again.
Come on people, don't you want to CHOOSE which channel you watch and which station you listen to?
I don't need some nanny-state deciding what speech gets knocked out, and my taxes going to programs I don't listen to or support. I will support what I want to.
This is, indeed, a fear of freedom of speech.
Won't pass. Eshoo is on the side of tyranny......again.
No great shock this is coming up as an election looms..free speech is what the LEFT fears the most, because reason and analysis trump emotional propoganda every time.
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Washington the stoniest state? Not so much
Ranking all 50 states (and D.C.) by marijuana use
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Turns out we Westerners like our marijuana a little bit more than our Southern and Midwestern brethren.
Recently released National Survey of Drug Use and Health results show about 14 percent of Western U.S. residents said they smoked marijuana in the prior year, compared to 10 percent of Southerners and 11.5 percent of Midwesterners. Northeasterners were a little more likely to hit the bong – about 13 percent said they'd used pot in the past year, when questioned by surveyors. But it turns out the individual states are a different story.
Click through the gallery above to see how Washington ranks on the list of stoniest states.
A note on these numbers: The surveys were collected by Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration workers in 2011 and 2012, before the marijuana legalization efforts in Washington and Colorado had a meaningful impact. We're interested to see if legalization changes use, but it's just too early to do so.
Due to a change in the survey, current marijuana-use statistics can't be compared easily to those from a decade ago. But the surveys do show the public has generally come to see marijuana as less threatening.
In 2002, about 38 percent of Americans age 12 or older saw a "great risk" in smoking marijuana once a month. The number was much lower in Washington, where 27.6 percent of those surveyed agreed that marijuana poses a great risk.
By 2012, the national number had fallen to 31 percent with just 23 percent of Washington residents agreeing that monthly marijuana use was dangerous.
According to the most recent survey, Alaskans see the least risk in using marijuana, with 20.5 percent agreeing that monthly use is risky. Mississippi residents, 39.5 percent of whom said monthly marijuana use poses a "great risk," were most concerned. Washington finished sixth-least concerned, behind Alaska, Maine, Oregon, New Hampshire and Massachusetts.
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