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" Brand: Thorntons / Type: Mints "
* Prices may differ from that shown
===My Box had a lift-off lid so is slightly different to the illustration===
===Why I Got This===
I received this box of mint chocolates for Christmas as my sister and nieces always know I am fond of mints and that they are the one flavour chocolate my son does not like so they do not get 'pinched' from under my nose!
===The Brand===
Thornton's have been making chocolates in the UK for over 100 years and are now a very well known brand. They have their own chain of stores and you can also buy their products from their website or from lots of other major shops.
===The Product===
Large single layer box of chocolates.
The bright green box contains 316 grams of chocolates.
Along the centre of the lid are images of the chocolates.
'A luxurious collection of mint chocolates made with natural peppermint oil and covered in rich dark and white chocolate.'
The box contains 5 different chocolates which are described in coloured images around the sides of the lift-off lid.
The chocolates are suitable for Vegetarians.
Made in Derbyshire - Thornton's have been 'providing delicious chocolates for over 100 years'.
Contains milk, soya and egg.
Thornton's website shows the full price as £6 but they are currently being sold there for half price.
===My Opinion===
This is a very brightly coloured green box which clearly indicates that the contents will be mints. There is also a colourful image of the chocolates on the top and around the side of the lid each chocolate is described in detail.
The box is all one layer and the chocolates are well protected in a moulded plastic tray.
In total the box contains 27 sweets in five varieties. Only one of them is wrapped in silver signed foil.
The chocolates have a lovely minty aroma and are all quite large is size - so one or two is quite enough as they are quite sweet and rich. When you first open the box the chocolates are protected with a sheet of dark corrugated cardboard.
The chocolates themselves, although having different names and shapes all have pretty much the same sort of peppermint flavour - so apart from the fudge one which is slightly different it does not really make much difference which one you choose to eat.
The fillings are all quite thick and solid so are not runny and messy. As with All Thornton's chocolates they are all covered in a thick layer of tasty chocolate which is lovely and crispy to bite into and you can actually nibble the chocolate off the sweets if you wanted to.
A tasty box of chocolates for the mint lover but with the rich fillings they were quite sickly and you would not want to eat many in one go.
From a personal point of view I think I prefer plainer mints such as Bendicks or Elizabeth Shaw which do not have such fancy fillings.
Here are the individual chocolates:
Fudge made with peppermint oil and covered in dark chocolate.
I had six of these in the box and they were the ones I liked the least. They had a good thick covering of chocolate but I was not too keen on the fudgy texture.
These were wrapped in silver foil and there were four in the box. The chocolates had a fondant centre made with peppermint oil and were covered in dark chocolate. The centre was quite firm so was not messy to eat and the chocolate covering was thick and crispy..
Again the truffle was made with peppermint oil and contained mint pieces and were covered in thick dark chocolate. I had five of these oblong chocolates in my box. These chocolates were very flavoursome and they were not too crunchy - just having little pieces interspersed in the truffle.
These large domes were covered in dark chocolate and decorated with white chocolate. Only four in the selection and they did not taste much different to the other chocolates. They looked a bit like snowballs.
These were knobbly looking round chocolates and I had eight of them. They had a softish creamy centre with double cream and peppermint oil and again covered in dark chocolate.
===Star Rating===
5 stars. These are good quality mints which I give five stars as I have not marked them down purely because they are a bit too sweet and fancy for my tastes.
===Would I Recommend?===
Christmas is usually one of those times of year where you either buy too much chocolate or are given too much or even maybe both! I was given lots of chocolate this year as I had been pretty good about not buying any for myself and so this is how I came to end up with the Thornton's Mint Collection which I have to say I was very pleased about! I have managed to make them last this long which considering there is not a lot in the box is a huge achievement for me as mint chocolate and I go very well together and I think it was only through sheer determination to make them last longer that means I still had some left until the grand date of the 18th of January.
The packaging:
The box these came in is a very minty looking dark green with lime swirls and also a few stars and Christmas trees dotted on the front. A flat box that is rectangular it is a fairly wide one with the top left corner having the 'Thornton's' swirly logo printed on it and in the middle the lime green box has a darker green print telling us this is a 'mint collection and it is 'a delicious collection of your favourite mints'.
Of course this box is geared towards the Christmas market however Thornton's do the exact same chocolates all year round but, instead they are packaged then slightly differently along with a few extra ones in a brown box with a dark green strip across the middle. For the sake of the review the box I am reviewing is the Christmas one.
The chocolates:
Ah, so onto the important stuff. The collection has a total of 5 different varieties of mints and altogether there are 35 in the box. Some are wrapped in an extra layer and some are ready to eat straight from the box. I will give an overview of each in turn since there are not that many.
Mint fudge - This one is diamond shaped and has minty fudge centre that contains peppermint oil. Wrapped in a layer of dark chocolate it then has a milky zig zag of chocolate covering it. When you bite into this one the fudge really is very creamy and soft and the combination of dark chocolate and mint goes so well together! There are six of these in the box.
Peppermint crème - ah the classic mint chocolate! A dark mint chocolate disc, it contains a cool mint fondant that again contains peppermint oil. Wrapped in a silver foil, it has the Thornton's logo in green spread across it. The fondant is not runny but, slightly soft and the taste is similar to that of an After Eight chocolate. Yummy! There are just three of these in the box.
Crunchy mint truffle - Again coated in dark chocolate this is one of my favourites! It is rectangular in shape and quite wide with a white chocolate line decoration the outer shell. When biting into this one the truffle feels truly delicious, soft and melt in the mouth. The tiny mint crunchy pieces make this one simply mouth- watering. There are just four of these in the box.
Mint Baton - the baton is eye catching in the box with a long thin stick of milk chocolate again covered in a white chocolate decoration. This one has a creamy, honeycomb centre and is truly delicious. Similar to the mint truffle but, somehow even creamier! There are eight of these in the box
Mint Crisp - another classic mint. A thin disc of dark chocolate that has honeycomb pieces inside and containing peppermint oil. Straight from the fridge, this is perfect to bite into and crack! Crunchy and oh so minty it is perfect! There are 14 of these in the box.
I found all of these chocolates very tasty and also every one of them has a good strong whiff of mint about them even before you bite into them. In fact when I received my present off my friend, I could smell it through the box and wrapping paper and it made me very happy knowing there was some form of mint chocolates inside.
Nutritional info:
Each chocolate apparently contains 47 calories. There is a warning on the box that it may contain nuts and it also states that the chocolates are suitable for vegetarians and are a of a gluten free recipe. Full ingredients can be found on the box should you need this information when purchasing.
The box usually retails for £10 from Thornton's but, usually, after Christmas is over, they reduce these down to below half price so if you can hold out every year you can get yourself a box during the January sales. The expiry date is not until March on my box so you still have plenty of time to enjoy them!
Overall opinion:
I truly love these chocolates - I mean it is easy for people to buy these as a cheap gift for me and know I will enjoy them as I literally adore mint chocolate! The best bit is nobody else in my house eats mint chocolate so they are all mine without the worry of somebody nabbing one. I think these make a perfect gift as the box looks nice and has a reasonable amount of chocolates in and they would also be something you could buy yourself a treat if you felt like indulging. The only negative I can really find with them is the lack of some varieties compared to others in the box - such as the fact that there are 14 mint crisps but, only three mint fondants! Seems a little unfair and would make more sense to have the same amount of each but, I suppose it is all down to the cost of making each type and also the size of the packaging to get them all in. I would recommend these and I can only hope next year I receive some more!
My boyfriend and I received a box of these for Christmas, much to my secret delight as I love mint chocolate but my boyfriend doesn't like it, so I knew the box would be destined for me only! Naughty yes, but if you can't indulge at Christmas, when can you?!
As they were a gift I don't know how much was paid for them before Christmas but they are currently on offer on Thornton's website for £5. The box has pictures of Christmas trees on the front so I'd guess they aren't available all year round but they do a similar collection in alternative packaging, which seems to only contains four varieties.
I had never seen these before and wouldn't really associate Thorntons with mint chocolates. The box is a bright distinctive green colour which again seemes a bit out of keeping with usual Thorntons packaging and looks a bit cheaper to me than their other boxes. However the smell of mint was very strongly noticeable even before opening the box.
Inside there are five different varieties, namely Crunchy mint truffle which contains crunchy mint pieces, Mint crisp which is a dark chocolate medallion with honeycomb pieces, Peppermint creme which is a chocalate medallion with a fondant centre, a Mint Baton which has a soft minty centre again containing honeycomb pieces and finally, a chocolate coated mint fudge.The chocolates are flavoured with natural mint oil and this is evident from the smell which, although very strong, does not smell artificial.
Although I was impressed with the scent I actually found most of the chocolates quite sickly. As I said before, I love mint chocolates but found the strength of these overpowering. The mint crisps were nice as they were not too sweet, and likewise the mint batons had a slightly more subtle flavour, but the other three flavours were very sweet and sickly. Considering four out of the five chocolates had soft centres as well, I found the collection would have benefited from a bit more variety.
If you are concerned about overindulging then I would recommend these as it would be very difficult to consume them in any great quantity, however personally I found the smell so tantalising that I found it very frustrating, as the taste was too sickly to satisfy my mint chocolate craving!
Just before Christmas I received an email from Thorntons promoting some very good half price offers. One such offer was a half price hamper costing £30 instead of a huge £60. It was very handy as I was able to divide up the contents and to share them out as presents but the one box that I decided to keep for ourselves was the Thorntons mint collection as these chocolate did look very tempting. I saved them for New Year and I have to say that they were both delicious and also very moreish. Needless to say that there are not many chocolates left in the box now!
The five different mints are crunchy mint truffle, mint crisp, peppermint crème, mint baton and mint fudge. They all look very attractive and tempting in the box. The peppermint crème is the only mint that is wrapped and has a fondant centre that is made with natural peppermint oil. This is probably the most bitter and driest of all five mints but is also very tasty and refreshing. Next is the mint baton which is my favourite to look at. It is long and thin and covered with dark chocolate with a lighter chocolate drizzled over that in a zig-zag fashion. It has a smooth peppermint centre but also has pieces of honeycomb. The centre is dark and crunchy and really delicious. The mint fudge has a creamy fudge centre with a dark chocolate coating. This is another favourite of mine although it does not taste quite as minty as some of the others as the taste of the fudge comes through quite strongly. There is also the crunchy mint truffle which is rich and delicious and finally the mint crisp which is more like solid chocolate with peppermint oil and honeycomb pieces.
I have to say that I love all of these although I don't think that my waistline does! If you dare read it, the nutritional content is given on the back of the box. Having just eaten such a few I wish that I had not read that each chocolate contains 47 calories. It does not take long to eat half a dozen and that soon adds up to a fair few calories. Oh well! It was Christmas! All the nutritional values are quite high but I'm not going to depress myself by writing them all down now. If you are worried by these you are probably best off not getting a box in the first place!
The box is green and very festive and it says that it is ' a delicious collection of your favourite mints'. In fact there are five different mints in the collection and they all taste great. I was surprised that there are not equal quantities of each chocolate and if you happen to be a fan of peppermint crème you are likely to be quite disappointed as there are only three of these. However if your favourite is mint crisp you will be very happy as there are fourteen of these. The different quantities do seem quite bizarre to me!
I bought this box as part of a Thornton's hamper but having just looked on their website I have noticed that the box usually costs £10 but it is currently half price in the sale for only £5 (January 2011) which I think is pretty good value. If you are a mint lover I think that this collection will really go down a storm and I thoroughly recommend it!
I received a box of these for Christmas, and in the interest of dooyoo, thought I should munch my way through them very seriously so that I can write a review.......!
So, the box is about 10 inches square - containing 250g of chocs - big enough for you to give as a gift without looking stingy, and containing enough chocolates for the biggest chocoholic, yet few enough so that if the person is watching their weight they won't have to grapple with their conscience!
It contains one layer of chocolates with 5 different varieties - although the picture above shows six varieties.
I have a real "thing" about chocolate, with dark chocolate being my favourite, so I was looking forward to eating all of these:
**Mint Crisp** - a combination of honeycomb pieces natural peppermint oil and dark chocolate - a bit like the Elizabeth Shaw after dinner mints. I really liked these chocolates and there were plenty of them in the box - nice and indulgent and not sickly as the honeycomb is really very small.
**Mint Baton** - a soft smooth centre with natural peppermint oil and honeycomb pieces - except I didn't find any honeycomb that I could speak of in these - it was quite smooth, more like a truffle. The outer layer of chocolate was quite thick and these felt like a really good quality chocolate. There were four of these in the box, so you might be a bit reluctant to offer these around.....
**Peppermint Creme** peppermint fondant in darkchocolate - these are individually wrapped so excellent as after dinner mints as there are plenty of them in the box but I thought that the fondant was quite sickly and even though I have a sweet tooth, I would not want to eat too many of these (yes, I know you should eat them sparingly anyway, but it's a box of chocolates and I just can't seem to put these things down!).
**Mint fudge** creamy fudge with natural peppermint oil coated in dark chocolate - this for me does not work at all. Fudge should taste of fudge, not of peppermint. They also tasted really sacharrine-like although the ingredients list does not show sacharine to have been used. I really did not appreciate these particular chocolates at all, and was happy to share these with others.......There were only a few of these in the box, thankfully, and I will not be looking to buy them on their own.
**Crunchy Mint Truffle** a smooth truffle made with natural peppermint oil and crunchy mint pieces, coated in rich dark chocolate........these were really very good - the truffle was nice and smooth without being overpowered by the mint flavour. I was not so keen on sharing these.....
So, there we have it, a box didn't last me long (in the interests of reviewing, of course) and it was a bit of a mixed bag - Thorntons seem to push the "natural" peppermint oil, as you will see from the descriptions above, and I do think it sad when we have to be reminded of the natural elements as if to say "we are being wholesome in some small way"!
The box lists the ingredients on the back and is not suitable for anyone allergic to milk, eggs or soya. No hydrogenated vegetable oil is used which is good, but sorbitol is used, which can give laxative effects, although you are not warned of this on the box. Personally, I feel that the fewer ingredients the better, and I would prefer to have good quality "real" products rather than substitutes that are not any good for you!
Calorie and fat wise - well, its all there on the box but to be honest should you be looking at the calories when you have a box of chocolates in front of you saying "eat me".......nope, I didn't think so either! Obviously if you eat lots of them, you will get fat........if you eat them in moderation, you probably won't....
Would I buy them again - well probably as a present for someone if I was in a hurry on the basis that you can't really go wrong with Thorntons Chocolates, but as far as mint chocolates go, I would probably prefer After Eights and a mint Aero.......


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teacup_bo wrote:Whilst I don't know much about dreams, I do know that the Buddha Way is not about suppression, stifling or fiddling personalities - it is a bit more "transcendent" than that if you can excuse my poor use of terminology. Thus, I found what genkaku pointed out a helpful pointer.hrtbeat7 wrote:genkaku wrote:Elevating or suppressing the one in order to eradicate the other is a fool's errand.
I find a lot of resonance in this, from Nisargadatta Maharaj:
"Just realize that you are dreaming a dream you call the world, and stop looking for ways out. The dream is not your problem. Your problem is that you like one part of your dream and not another. Love all, or none of it, and stop complaining. "
Seng T'san, in addressing preferences ("Make the smallest distinction, however, and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart."), makes the same point as "Your problem is that you like one part of your dream and not another."
Genkaku's "Elevating or suppressing the one in order to eradicate the other is a fool's errand" points to the absurdity of the war within ourselves we are habitually waging, and simultaneously projecting out into all of our relationships, including of course the many manifestations we witness online, viz a viz the subject of this thead.
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I got my seeds from here. http://www.johnnyseeds.com/. I got two different types of tomatoes, basil, oregano, and marjoram. I should have got parsley to but I forgot.
I bought seeds last night at Lowes. Brick stone they do carry parsley. Norma they also had a wide selection of flowers. I have always used Burpee and have had good results. This weekend I will be picking up some horse manure. I will be planting another type of basil we allready have basil, oregano, parsley, and thyme growing. We will also have three types of tomatoes, two types cucumber, two types of pole peas, zucchini, and sweet peppers. My daughter will have fun raising the seeds for transplant.Bob
Thanks Norma,I noticed on the Burpee site they had a button to click for heirloom. Lowes may carry them if they are on the site. Might be worth a stop. http://www.burpee.com/p2p/searchResults.do?search=basic&keyword=heirloom&sortby=newArrivals&page=4Bob
I got these Heirloom's and these cherry tomatoes. http://www.johnnyseeds.com/p-7941-brandywine-og.aspx. http://www.johnnyseeds.com/p-6966-tomatoberry-garden-f1.aspx
Norma,One theory I heard was that the volcanic ash filters the water. Maybe you could experiment with a sandy soil in a large pot and shield it from the acid rain. Then only water it with filtered or better yet distilled water. Just a thought.Bob
Johnny's is a little pricey but I think there is a noticeable difference in their quality on the good side.
Norma,When I do my garden I lay down soaker hose. They sell design kits with hose that can be cut and you can buy the fittings required. It costs a little up front but lasts for years. I run a header then tap rows off that. You can also get a timer. I lay down the hose and then cover it with mulch to keep the moisture. It saves on water for a large garden, and also gives a consistant feeding.Bob


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SAN JOSE, Calif. – With the San Jose Earthquakes and Real Salt Lake set to wrestle for control of the Western Conference standings for a third time in less than three months (Saturday, 7:30 pm PT on CSN California), San Jose star Chris Wondolowski would like to propose a side bet with his Utah guests.
"If we both play the way that we have been playing and play the way that we are capable of playing, I think that we might have to run through each other again," Wondolowski said at training this week. "If they want to make a deal, we'll give them this one if they'll give us the one in the playoffs. I'm alright with that."
Presumably, Commissioner Don Garber and the rest of the folks at MLS headquarters aren't down with Wondolowski's swap-meet plan, so the Quakes will instead try to beat the law of averages and finish a three-game sweep of RSL on Saturday night. San Jose won 3-1 at home on April 21, and 2-1 at Rio Tinto Stadium on June 23.
"Here we are again," San Jose coach Frank Yallop said. "We've got a chance of getting a gap between us and them and they have a chance of overtaking us. It's a big game."
A San Jose win would put them four points clear of Salt Lake, with a game in hand. An RSL victory would vault them back atop the Western Conference and Supporters' Shield tables.
In the first two meetings, it was San Jose who were chasing down Jason Kries' side. Yallop doesn't see the reversal of roles changing anything on the pitch.
"There's no difference, no," Yallop said. "You can't pick and choose when you play well. I don't look at it as, 'We have to beat them' and, 'It's 3-0 against a good team.' I don't ever look at it that way. We've just got to beat another team at home on Saturday, if we can."
That said, going 3-0 against one of the West's other top contenders would pack an emotional punch beyond the nine-point swing in the standings.
"[It would be] a big, big confidence boost," said Quakes captain Ramiro Corrales, who won't get a chance to participate after picking up a red card last weekend. "Obviously, they're one of the better teams in the league, that's why they're one point behind us. I mean, they're a handful. I think it's going to be a battle Saturday. I'm very disappointed I won't be a part of that, but I think the guys can do the job."
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1. At what point were you worried for Bella's safety with the thugs? Or did you have some idea that Edward would show up just in the nick of time?
I'm generally a slow person, so I didn't really know what would happen. I knew Edward must have been in Port Angeles when Bella mentions that a silver volvo is parked at the side of the road. However, strangely enough, I didn't immediately realize it was Edward when she said that a voice commanded her to get in the car. Sort of stupid, I know. Does this even answer the question?
2. How did you feel about Edward's emotional reaction to the whole situation? Were you afraid of him? Were you worried for Bella?
Actually, I think Edward's sexy when he's pissed. ;] I wasn't afraid of him, or worried for Bella at all. After all, Bella couldn't die. The book was written from her POV, and the book was only halfway through.
3. Were you surprised that Edward told the truth so quickly about his ability to mind read? Had you guessed that this was his secret?
I didn't think anything of it the first time I read it, but when I read it for the second time, it seemed kind of out of character. And, no, I didn't guess this was his secret. (Like I said, I'm a slow person.)
4. What was your personal theory as to why Edward can't hear Bella's mind the first time you read the book?
I thought it was exactly how Edward put it; Her mind was on the AM frequency, and he was only getting FM.
5. Did it concern you at all that Edward keeps such a close watch over Bella? Did it seem somewhat like a stalker to you or did you just brush it off?
It didn't concern me. I thought it was kind of sweet. A little over-protective, but sweet.


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It is. Legally and from the point of view of buddhist ethics. Using the term "theft" is an attempt to hoodwink the reader by false equivalence.uan wrote: You are correct that file sharing isn't "theft" in the legal definition of the term and it falls under the umbrella of infringement of copyright. While they may not be exactly the same, it's not completely incoherent to consider them to be equivalent.
It's not a question of technicality. It's not theft at all. To produce more of something is not to deprive someone of a scarce resource, hence it is not theft. QED.uan wrote: The disturbing part of your argument "there may be all kinds of legal and economic reasons to respect copyright law" is that you don't import any ethical or moral reasons to respect the law. Infringement of copyright may not technically be considered theft, but it is as egregious, if not more so, and is tantamount to stealing. In effect, a person who uses file sharing to come in possession of something that was not intended to be freely distributed by anyone, is benefitting in a tangible way from the fruits of someone else's labor and their property.
I don't personally believe that there is any moral or ethical reason to respect the law, but that's entirely beside the point. I view it is a contractual matter between businesses solely (and by the way, I have made my living off of IP for the last 10 years). Let's take the music business as it's probably the one we are all most familiar with: production costs now in the days of desktop DAWs are an order of magnitude less, distribution costs are pennies on the dollar compared to even five years ago, yet the cost of buying an album has stayed pretty much constant even for download only distribution. The problem is, the mechanism that has enabled the costs to shrink so much also enables easy digital reproduction and file sharing. Some are simply going to copy their friends CD because of the cost. To counter this, record companies have started to put more content in the liner notes, released single tracks at a cheap price, etc. Some artists have instituted pay-what-you-can, some have encouraged copying as a way to gain broader exposure... you name it. This is a business problem, not a moral one. The technology will inevitably lead to new business models. Who'd have thunk that MySQL, a company that makes free database software would be acquired for $7.4B?!
The fact is, there is no way that you can parse this where it DOES constitute theft.uan wrote: It's easy to parse anything into an infinite number of combinations to show how any given action doesn't constitute theft (as a relevant example).
Notice the first thing you said you did in this example was *steal* the computer. No need to parse this, it's one of your starting premises. You deprived an individual of a scarce resource that was in their possession which is the very definition of theft. Now if you went into the house and took a glass of water from the tap and drank it, you could not be charged with theft-- only trespass. Why? Because though it was on the someone else's property, it is not a scarce resource.uan wrote: Let's say I steal a computer and later the police come and see me using the computer (in a coffee shop). They want to arrest me for stealing the computer. But I say I didn't. They might say, you broke into the owner's house and took the computer. But I'd say, I only borrowed the computer and intended to give it back. Also I did not break into his house, because the door was open and the computer was sitting right there inside the door. And since I only reached into and grabbed the computer I didn't even trespass. They might ask, if I was borrowing the computer, why didn't I ask the owner? He wasn't there I'd say. How do you know the owner would have said yes? They would ask, what expectation did you have the owner would allow you to borrow their computer. I'd say, because he's into file sharing and unrestricted access to modern culture.
No, it's not confusing at all. It is clearly NOT theft.uan wrote: You ask at what point does the act metamorphose into "taking what is not given"? It's almost like you are essentially saying, since it's too confusing to really know, it's better to just say it never does metamorphoses.
Here in Canada we pay a "private copying" levy on all blank media that the Canadian Private Copying Collective distributes as royalties to the music industry.uan wrote: With regards to copyright, when you purchase a book or dvd, you know what you are allowed to do with it. You asked about libraries. I don't know book publishing, but libraries have customarily bought their films (vhs, dvds) through special distribution channels where they pay a whole lot more ($600-1000 for a film title, not $20). This is also similar to how sales work with schools. It's not that the dvd costs more, but because it is expected that 10, 20, 100 or more people will watch that film.
No, you have broken a contract and depending on the country, a law. There is no theft involved, as we have discussed ad nauseum.uan wrote: The most important thing to understand, when you buy a dvd, you are actually only buying the physical dvd, the disc. You are not buying the material on the disc. That material comes with very specific limitations. You buy a DVD of the Life of Pi, rip a copy and give it to your friend, you have just "taken what was not given".
The reason it is unclear to some is that the whole idea of owning an idea was a stupid one from the very beginning. Thankfully, we are in a stage now where new models enabled by technology are emerging. Artists are able to get their music directly to their audience without the vampire squid of the recording industry pushing up costs for everyone.uan wrote: The only reason this seems confusing morally or ethically is that so many people don't understand or care about copyright or, more fundamentally, intellectual property. They think that since you can't touch it or hold it, it's not real. But since we're on a Buddhist forum, how many lamas or masters (of other schools) have effectively tapped on a table and asked "is this table real? is there a table?" You could argue, that's only true in an ultimate sense, that the table doesn't inherently exist. But conventionally, there is a table. Except that there are some enlightened masters (and I have only heard anecdotal stories), that have demonstrated that, indeed, even conditionally, the table doesn't exist.
Quel dommage.uan wrote: I know many people who have had their work used without permission or misused. While some of these instances don't rise to the level of criminal, or even civil, violations, they were ethically questionable to say the least.


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Senator McCain was interviewed twice for this article--first on May 17 in New York City, and then by phone on July 30.GLAMOUR: I brought for you, Senator, a copy of a book Glamour published last year; it's a collection by one of our columnists, Mariane Pearl. She traveled the world meeting extraordinary women of courage; the chapter you're looking at is a profile of a young woman, Somaly Mam, who grew up as a sex slave and now has dedicated her whole life to getting other kids out of that.
JOHN MCCAIN: I gave a speech just a week or so ago about human trafficking--that we should condition our relations with countries on the basis of their handling of this issue. And you know, the interesting thing is, a lot of this human trafficking [happens] in what people believe are the most perfect...the most sophisticated places in the world. Paris. Berlin. London. Disgraceful! And 15,000 to 18,000 young women come into this country as part of that every year.
GLAMOUR: In your books on courage, you place female heroes solidly alongside decorated male war heroes. There must have been women in your life who got you thinking about the power that a courageous woman can have.
JM: My mother very much so, because my father, a naval officer, was gone a lot of the time. Most of World War II, a lot of the Korean War and then just because of the nature of his profession...So my mother really was the one who raised our family. And that's not unique; it was true of military families. She would drive us across country, throw us all in the car because of my dad's change of station.... She still, at 96, travels extensively.
GLAMOUR: Is it true she drove through Europe herself?
JM: Yes. She drove through Europe herself. One time, she was...driving across country and was apprehended in Flagstaff, Arizona, going 112 miles per hour. [Laughs.]
GLAMOUR: Was she repentant?
JM: She just said there was no traffic and she was in a hurry. [Laughs.] It might have been 106, but it was over 100...Christmas before last she wanted to drive around France, so she flew to Paris and tried to rent a car, and they told her she was too old, so she bought a car and drove around France.
GLAMOUR: Speaking of your mother being 96, are you aware of a website called things youngerthanmccain.com?
JM: [Laughs.] Yes. It's hilarious.
GLAMOUR: I learned that Scrabble and the Golden Gate Bridge and also the area code are all younger than John McCain.
JM: Yes, indeed. Not to mention the Internet...maybe even color TV. I'm sure. I'm sure. Let's not go into it. [Laughs.]
GLAMOUR: Well, on to more serious topics. Before this interview we asked our readers to submit questions, and many came from women in the military. Within the armed forces, there are still certain combat roles that are closed to women [such as] serving on submarine crews and in the Army infantry. Do you feel it's right to keep women out of those positions?
JM: I think this policy needs to be reevaluated constantly.... We have more and more evidence of greater abilities of women in combat. Also...this conflict is everywhere; we have had a large number of women wounded and killed in Iraq and in Afghanistan. I'm for integrating women as much as possible--with one exception: For example, in Baghdad today, a male combat infantryman puts on 50 pounds of body armor, then another 40 or 50 pounds of military equipment. I want to make sure that women are able to also do that. Now, I'm not saying women are physically weak. Some of the strongest [people] I have ever known in my life are women.... I just want to make sure that they're able to carry out these missions in the most effective fashion.... Women have proven to [everyone's] satisfaction as pilots, as combat medics, in any other role they've been in, that they're perfectly capable, and in some ways not only capable but superior.
GLAMOUR: You come from a tremendous military tradition yourself. And your sons have carried that on. But how would you feel if your daughter Meghan, or in a few years, Bridget, wanted to join the armed forces?
JM: I can't think of anything that would make me more proud than that.
GLAMOUR: And from a reader, this question: What would you tell your daughter if she wanted to run for president?
JM: I think it would be wonderful, and I'd like to give credit to other women in recent history who have sought the presidency. I'd like to give special credit to Senator Hillary Clinton, who has been an incredibly effective candidate and a role model for other women who seek public office.
GLAMOUR: Was Senator Clinton treated fairly on the campaign trail as a woman?
JM: You know, I don't know because I'm not objective enough to make the judgment. I simply don't know. But I know the one thing that I try to avoid in my campaigns is feeling sorry for myself. It's easy to do, pick up the paper this morning, read a story that's negative, oh, my God, they're picking on me. You just can't do that. You just can't do that. But I admire Senator Clinton's tenacity, her knowledge of the issues.
GLAMOUR: Right now, so much of the youth momentum seems to be for Senator Barack Obama. How can you persuade people in their twenties that the Republican party is a party that represents them?
JM: Well, first of all, I don't think there's any doubt that the Republican brand is hurting right now. I mean, to say anything different would not be straight talk. I believe I've got to go to venues that young people go to, whether it be the Jon Stewart show or an MTV town hall or Saturday Night Live. And of course, that means the Internet in a variety of ways. But then, once I'm there, I have to get and keep their attention [so that] I can outline my vision for the future of this country and how I think that I can make sure that they inherit a safer and more prosperous country. I admire what Senator Obama has done in energizing young people. But...I think I can compete for young America's votes.
GLAMOUR: Meghan drives a Prius. Is [the environment] an issue that the two of you talk about?
JM: Yeah. And we talk a lot about climate change. And I've been involved in it for a long period of time. I've proposed legislation with Senator Joe Lieberman. I've been heavily engaged. I've traveled this globe from the Antarctic to the Arctic, to native Alaskan villages that are falling into the ocean, to Greenland, to the Brazilian rain forest, to the Great Barrier Reef in Australia...I know the environmental issues.... There is no doubt that we have two choices. One: Suppose we do nothing. Then we may have handed our children and our grandchildren a planet that's permanently damaged. [But] suppose we adopt green technologies and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Then all we've done is given them a greener planet.... I'm convinced from everything I've seen that climate change is real, and maybe even worse than some of us had anticipated years ago when we got into it.
GLAMOUR: One of the things that comes up when we hear from our readers is, of course, health care. Under your plan, individuals might be buying insurance directly from insurers; some critics point out this will put women at a disadvantage. Younger women make less money but incur higher health care costs because of their reproductive systems. They go to the doctor more often and could, as a result, be shut out of health care more than men. Is there anything in your plan that would help protect against that?
JM: Well, the problem with health care in America today is not the quality. It's the cost. And every young man or woman is facing a bankrupt Medicare system that will not be there when they reach retirement age. And skyrocketing health care costs make it less and less available or affordable. Senator Obama wants to have greater government involvement. I want to give those young women--so many of them are small business people who have no health insurance today--an [annual] $5,000 refundable tax credit, and [you can] go across America and find the policy that you want. [McCain's plan would provide a $2,500 tax credit for individuals and $5,000 for families, and would allow Americans to comparison shop for lower-premium insurance from states other than the one they live in.] Now, one of your readers is going to respond, "Well, that's not enough money." Well, it's a lot.... It's $5,000 more than they have today. And they can make a choice.... And finally, there are certain Americans that are "uninsurables." And [for] those people, we're going to have to have government-approved plans ... that gets them health insurance [for] pre-existing conditions, chronic diseases. We're going to have to sit down with the governors and the legislatures and...establish a pool so that we can care for them. We will have every American have affordable and available health care.
GLAMOUR: I want to ask about reproductive rights. Twenty-three percent of your pro-choice female supporters believe that you are for a woman's right to choose abortion, which is not accurate. Can you explain your position on abortion? Do you believe Roe v. Wade should be overturned?
JM: I believe that Roe v. Wade was a very bad decision that should have not ever been in the United States Supreme Court. I am pro-life. I have a long record of being pro-life. I believe that there are more and more Americans that understand the sanctity of human life.__
GLAMOUR: Senator, you've made it clear that you think we should have members of the Supreme Court who are interpreting the Constitution strictly.
JM: But, let me add, I have never and will never impose a litmus test on them. I want them to have the philosophy of interpreting the Constitution strictly, but I will never ask for a position on a specific issue. I don't think that's fair to the nominees or the country... What is important to me is a proven record, such as Justice Roberts has and Justice Alito.
GLAMOUR: If Roe v. Wade were overturned and the decision went back to the states, and some of the states criminalized abortion, in the case that an abortion is performed, who should go to jail, if anyone?
JM: I've never believed that a doctor should go to jail for that. And I have consistently stated that. We have to change the culture in America as far as the sanctity of human life. The fact is that we are, thanks to medical technology, able to save little babies and human life earlier and earlier in stages of pregnancy.... I'll never forget Mother Teresa being at a national prayer day breakfast and [saying] "If you don't want these children, give them to me." And so I am pro-life...I am convinced that life begins at conception.
GLAMOUR: Last year you said that the Republican platform on abortion should change so that it did include an exception for cases of rape and incest and to save the life of the mother.
JM: Yes.
GLAMOUR: Is that still something that you believe?
JM: Yes. My position has always been: exceptions of rape, incest and the life of the mother.
GLAMOUR: Would you encourage that platform to be changed this summer at the convention?
JM: Yes.... And by the way, I think that's the view of most people, that rape, incest, the life of the mother are issues that have to be considered. [For an update on McCain's position, see Rape Victims and Abortion: Where McCain Stands.]
GLAMOUR: One reader noted that you've called abortion a "human tragedy," and you've proposed strengthening organizations that provide services and support to pregnant mothers in need. If elected president, do you have a specific plan to do that?
JM: There are organizations...that encourage adoption. And I strongly support those. I also know that there are thousands of parents in the United States who want to adopt children. And I'll do everything that I can to match them up, and hopefully we could make sure that young parents have that option available to them--of adoption, rather than abortion.
GLAMOUR: What about federal funding for programs that would encourage young women not to become pregnant to begin with? I'm thinking both of comprehensive sex education and of family planning services. I know you've expressed doubts about both of those things in the past.
JM: I would encourage any program...for a young woman to practice abstinence, et cetera. But some of these programs that you've described have parts of their program that I don't support.
GLAMOUR: You mean the teaching of birth control information to teens?
JM: Oh, there's various aspects of it. I'd have to examine each one.... But obviously, I would do everything I can to encourage abstinence among young women, and that we not have unwanted pregnancies.
GLAMOUR: In 2005 you voted not to allocate $100 million to reduce the pregnancy rate via family planning and public education. Is there anything you want to say to help young women understand why that would not be something you'd support?
JM: Except that I don't support...obviously, I don't support abortion. [The legislation in question did not fund abortion; the McCain campaign later clarified that he opposed it in part because it allocated funds for emergency contraception but not for abstinence-only programs.]
GLAMOUR: You were asked at a press event about insurance companies that don't cover contraception but cover Viagra. Can you clarify your position on whether insurance should be required to cover birth control?
JM: Under my plan, that decision will be made by the person who purchases the insurance. You'll choose a plan based on whatever is included in the insurance policy.
GLAMOUR: So it would not be an issue that you would like to see legislation address in any way?
JM: It's just my philosophy of how we reform health care in America that the insured would purchase the policy that covers whatever aspects they want to be covered by the policy.
GLAMOUR: Back to adoption, I found very moving the story of how you and Cindy adopted Bridget. Cindy traveled to one of Mother Teresa's orphanages in Bangladesh, brought Bridget back here for an operation, and decided almost spontaneously to adopt her. What was that moment like for you?
JM: It was very moving. [Here] was a child who had an incredibly severe cleft palate, who, at least in the view of the nuns there, was not going to survive. And Cindy...brought Bridget home and handed her to me. It was a very moving and touching experience. Bridget has enriched our life. So I'm very grateful to have Bridget in our lives, and I'm very proud of Cindy for what she did.
GLAMOUR: Can you share what you feel are the main challenges in young women's lives, and how you would address them better than Senator Obama?
JM: Well, I think one of the major [accomplishments] of women in America today is their leadership in small business.... My job is to keep their taxes low and [make sure they have] health insurance. Senator Obama wants to raise their taxes. That's one big difference; another is that he wants to force Americans to have government-run health care, which I believe will be a big mistake.... I believe in less government, smaller government, lower taxes and the family making decisions on health care.
GLAMOUR: A reader, 20-year-old Liz DiNardo in Berlin, Maryland, wants to know how you plan to deal with gas prices. Realistically, what per-gallon cost do you think you can help bring them down to?
JM: In the short term, if we announce it and begin drilling offshore immediately, [we will] help reduce the price of a gallon of gas. But it was 30 years getting into this situation; it's going to take us some time to get out. We need wind, tide, solar, nuclear, hybrid cars, conservation and drilling offshore. And nuclear power is a vital necessity. So we need all of those aspects of a national mission. I call it the Lexington Project, to become independent of foreign oil and develop the new technologies necessary, not only to reduce our dependency on foreign oil but also to eliminate greenhouse gas emissions.
GLAMOUR: One more question, from Erin Olson, 33, in Elk Grove, California. She wants to know: What is your biggest regret in your political career so far?
__JM: I'm sure that I have made mistakes. But I've corrected them, and I'm overall proud of my record.... Probably my greatest regret is that, as a party, we failed to control spending, and that has caused this major factor in the corruption in Washington, and the lack of confidence. I guess my regret is that I was not more successful in combating the out-of-control spending that led to this enormous lack of trust and confidence on the part of the American people. But I'll keep fighting, and as president of the United States, I will be more successful--because I'll be president.


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a resident of Stanford
on Nov 2, 2012 at 10:39 am
I am for giving the $10.4 million trail funds to Stanford & Palo Alto/Santa Clara County.
a resident of Stanford
on Nov 2, 2012 at 11:06 am
The most important pedestrian/bicycle project in Palo Alto right now is undoubtedly the bridge over Hwy 101 at Adobe Creek. This is a vital route for both families walking out to the Baylands and commuters heading to their in the north Shoreline area.
The old path under the highway is inadequate because it was closed so often, including all of this year.
I noticed that the city has installed bike route markings along San Antonio Road as an alternative, but come on, how many parents will let their kids bike on San Antonio Road?
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 2, 2012 at 11:32 am
Very worried about the idea of bike trails for mountain bikes. These are typically very dangerous routes for serious mountain bikers and are not good for inexperienced bikers, children or hiking. They are also a draw for serious mountain bikers from across the region.
Please clarify the difference between bike paths and mtb trails. They are very different.
a resident of Barron Park
on Nov 4, 2012 at 10:07 am
As one of thousands who regularly walk the Dish, these proposed trail improvements are welcome additions, to be sure.
I will write members of the Santa Clara Board of Supervisors, particularly Liz Kniss, to register my support.
a resident of University South
on Nov 4, 2012 at 10:57 am
I am an avid biker and also enjoy walking in the Palo Alto parks regularly. I will write in to register my support.
a resident of Portola Valley
on Nov 4, 2012 at 2:04 pm
This is a great plan to create a unified bike path around PA.
a resident of Palo Verde
on Nov 4, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Stanford University / City of Palo Alto Joint Grant Application, September 6, 2012
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County of Santa Clara, Proposed Alternative Mitigation Projects to Address Loss of Recreational Opportunities on the Stanford Campus
Stanford University/City of Palo Alto
-- Table of Contents and Introduction (pages 1-10, 7.4MB)
-- Executive Summary (pages 12-20, 3.1MB)
-- Stanford Perimeter Trail (pages 21-34, 3.5MB)
-- Park Blvd Bicycle Boulevard (pages 35-40, 2.1MB)
-- Matadero Creek Trail (pages 41-48, 0.9MB)
-- Adobe Creek Overcrossing of Highway 101 (pages 49-54, 0.6MB)
-- Arastradero Road C-2 Trail Upgrades (pages 55-60, 0.4MB)
-- Appendices (pages 61-73, 1.9MB)
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 6, 2012 at 7:15 am
Where is Liz Kniss on this. Shouldn't our supervisor be supporting Palo Altos interest in this?
a resident of Stanford
on Nov 6, 2012 at 8:35 am
I believe that Liz Kniss has earlier come out in favor of using this money for the pedestrian bridge over Hwy 101 in southern Palo Alto and to fix the gap in the San Francisco Bay Trail between East Palo Alto and Menlo Park (near the Dumbarton Bridge). The bridge is in the new proposal, but the Bay Trail is not.
Personally, I like Kniss's proposal which focuses on big important projects that would be difficult to fund otherwise. A lot of the stuff in the new proposal is small and less important projects that could easily be funded on a piece-by-piece basis from the general fund.


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Rays Finally Sporting Green Again on St. Patrick's Day
Ever since the Rays public presentation in St. Petersburg's Straub Park in November 2007, when the Rays revealed to the Rays Republic their new trend to dismantle the past Rays green and become a new with the Rays blue, we have been absent from the Grapefruit schedule on this one date.
But alas ( I always wanted to say that ) with a new decade sprung upon us, hopefully a new Rays tradition has blossomed as I foretold to the Rays Republic 10 days ago on Twitter, about the anticipated Rays headgear for this glorious day. For on that great day, Rays Clubhouse Manager Chris Westmoreland confirmed the wee scuttlebutt I had heard from Irish lad in the Rays Front Office that the Rays would embrace the green again this fine date.
And the tradition would return again in the glorious addition of a Rays Kelly Green cap with a white shamrock upon it nestled just to the bottom left of the Rays "TB" symbol on their cap.
And the Luck of the Rays on this fine day in 2010 would be better than the last time the Rays adorned the green back in 2007 when the last Green clad Rays squad lost 5-3 to the Cleveland Indians at Progress Energy Field . On that day, fine Irish names ( at least for 1 day) like Casey Fossum, Gary Glover, Tim Corcoran and Greg Norton graced the Rays Spring roster but could not bring home the victory.
But there was another time, and not so long ago that the Rays wore this same shade of Kelly Green, and it was amazing. The entire Rays staff and players donned Kelly Green uniforms on this date in 2002, and they did it both to celebrate the day, and to also support their local in-house charity, The Rays of Hope Foundation.
But during that special 2002 St Patrick's Day game during the Namoli days, the Rays of Hope Foundation used this day to celebrate and entice the Rays faithful into giving from their hearts. On March 17,2002, every single member of the Rays organization from the Rays players and Coaches down wore a Kelly Green cap and jersey top especially fashioned for the occasion.
The uniform top and cap made a bold statement that day, and also was an instant collector's item for the Rays fan base. But there was a catch. For the chance to own a piece of this special Rays history, you had to go on line at the team's website and participate in a silent Rays auction bidding on the autographed cap and jersey you wanted from your favorite Rays player or Coach.
I know I did my part during the next week constantly submitting bids on three different jerseys and caps, finally winning two jerseys for my Rays collection.I ended up owning a jersey signed by Rays reliever Jesus Colome and Aubrey Huff jerseys to my budding Rays collection. It was a great item to add to my collection, and I was helping the Rays charity in their work around the Tampa Bay community with my purchase.
I have even worn them to Rays games the last several years and people are surprised that the team wore that bold green shade even once during their "green" days.
But I have a burning question today. Why didn't the Rays current charity arm, The Rays Foundation not even think of reestablishing this 2002 Rays tradition when the Rays would be playing at home in Port Charlotte, Florida for the first time on St. Patrick's Day?
Before the Rays two-year absence on this date, the team last played the Philadelphia Phillies in Clearwater on St. Patrick's Day, and you know the Phillies were sporting their green uniforms proudly that day. And how nostalgic it would have been if the team again donned the green uniforms against the same Twins team they faced in 2002 wearing Kelly green uniforms.
I truly think it was a lost opportunity for the Rays Foundation to gather additional charitable funds and establish a secondary yearly auction idea with the team again poised to wear green upon their heads today. And the Rays Foundation could have easily gotten a substantial payday to put towards those 2010 charity goals, and maybe even surpass their 2010 expectations with such a event.
Back in 2002, both Majestic and New Era caps were on board when the Rays last held a St. Patrick's Day auction, why could it have not worked again in 2010? It is not like The Rays Foundation has not done this type of charity autographed uniform auction fundraising.
The Rays Foundation has the experience in focusing on this same type of event since they are an active participant in the Rays online "Throwback Jersey" auctions held the last several years when the Rays wore either their own past Rays past colors, or those of former Tampa Bay area teams like the St. Petersburg Saints.
I am not going to say the Rays Foundation dropped the ball here because they might never have even picked it up in the first place. But I would have thought someone roaming around up on the Rays third floor offices would have approached such an idea, or even attempted to duplicate this extremely popular past event and also make some great coinage to support other charitable Rays Foundation endeavors.
When I was calling around trying to get confirmation on the Rays green cap for St. Patrick's Day way back in February, I asked someone who works up in the Rays Front Office about if the Rays had a plan to again play wearing an all-green uniforms on St. Patrick's Day, and they had no idea why the Rays organization did not fall all over this idea, and institute again an all green Rays 2010 moment on St. Patrick's Day.
Sometimes it truly amazes me that the Rays for some reason do not embrace their old not so distant history. but then again, the current Rays ownership has been trying to move from the "Rays" basic team concept from the image of the swimming docile creature, to a more omnificent "Rays of light" concept.
Funny, I even went in the archives of my Rays Renegade blog and found that one of my 2010 New Years predictions was hoping the Rays would embrace this past great event with gusto again.
There are plenty of Major League Baseball teams sporting green today. Some like the Oakland A's still have it as their primary color in their jerseys. But the Rays abandoned that part of their past, and on a special day like St. Patrick's Day, I would hope that the team again embrace their "green" past, plus provide a special moment for everyone, especially their fans. The special edition cap can be purchased at the Rays Team Store in 2010, and online for $19.99, but it doesn't sport the shamrock on it in the online photo.
I am glad the Rays have taken the first steps to again bringing the "green" back to the Rays at least for St. Patrick's Day this year. I am actually happy that the organization made this move, and I hope that I might have put an brainstorming future idea into the Rays Foundation for another future St. Patrick's Day uniform auction.
And I kind of find it a bit of poetic justice that the team the Rays last wore Kelly Green against, the Minnesota Twins are again in town today to play the Rays. Hopefully this time with the added shamrock the luck of the Rays will come through. In 2002, the Rays lost to the Twins at home on this date 7-5.
Well, it is game time here in Port Charlotte and I have to go catch some Rays baseball. But I will be sure to raise my cold and frothy glass high today at the Rays Tiki Deck bar and salute the past, present and future Rays health, glory and bevy of wins on a day when we all should be proud to be truly Green Rays fans.
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Happy St. Patrick's Day and thanks for all the great tips about St. Pete, the Vinoy, etc. Hope you're having a great day. The sun came out!
It has been a weird day.
All the way back from Port Charlotte, all I got were green lights. Got to admit, the color of the day sure was doing great things for me.
I am proud of this town for so many reasons, and would have loved to be a tour guide about it for you and your husband this week, but you will learn my disadvantages at another time.
This region has such a rich baseball history behind nook and cranny, and it is part of my history too.
Glad you have had a great trip here, and always wish you the best.
Rays Renegade
The Dodgers were sporting the green unis and green hats. The green hats has been a tradition back to the Walter O'Malley days. His wife used to go all out for the party afterwards.
The green unis will be auction at a later day at Dodger Stadium and it will benefit the Dodgers Dream Fountation.
This something that the Rays have only done once, back in 2002.
It still puzzles me that no one thought about it this off season, but then again, the entire Rays Foundation staff might not have been here when that last auction originated.
I know I would be one of the first people to post my bid online for such an item.
Proves once again just how slow we are sometimes to realize a good thing before it is gone…sigh!
Rays Renegade
These unis are fun and all (still WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than the D-Rays' original duds) but I think it's more a marketing ploy to sell more stuff than a celebration of Irish heritage. Where's the Red on Casmir Pulaski day? What about white on Labor Day? Let's try that.
Rays do wear white on Labor Day if they are home playing.
But I am against the Rays ever thinking of wearing those RED caps again.
They did not seem to want to win a single game wearing those red fiasco's, and also gave up a 10-run lead while wearing them last Memorial Day.
I shudder still seeing Andy Sonnanstine getting drilled by Ben Francisco and his Indians teammates.
It was the "Little Bighorn by the Cuyahoga River.
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a resident of Community Center
on Mar 5, 2013 at 8:44 am
99% of the residents are looking forward for a new mall/store in the area. The rest is a history!
a resident of Community Center
on Mar 5, 2013 at 8:54 am
And just out of curiosity, what were holman, price and schmid's plan? Stop the redevelopment? Discuss it for another year? Really the developer did us a favor getting rid of the eyesore.
Holman should recused herself anyway-- she was behind the infamous" everything in palo alto is historic" land grab attempt a dozen years ago. She is in way over head in the council.
Time to move on and finish this project
a resident of Ventura
on Mar 5, 2013 at 11:19 am
Personally, I think the developer knew exactly what he was doing, and he's brilliant. Remove an eyesore without permission, get a slap on the wrist, and FOR THE GREATER GOOD, build a better, more beautiful plaza because the eyesore is gone.
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 5, 2013 at 11:52 am
I watched the Council discussion "live" on tv last night.
I think, on balance, that it is correct for the developer to be able to move ahead. That said, they are considering financial and other penalties to the developer. A mistake was made but it should be kept in context of the overall project and incredible need to remake that center.
It is an eyesore at a major entrance to the City of PA.It is disruptive to the neighborhood for WAY too long a period.
Overall, I am stunned and shaking my head at the length of time the City has and is putting this developer through for this minor project on a small plot of land.
At the same time it IS important to those of us in the neighborhood to get something operational and decent and new there. It's WAY overdue. I object to punitive delays at this point. Overview is a good thing but micro-managing is crazy even with the "error" or "violation" that occurred.
The Eichler historic angle was minor in my view at this center, in this case (as someone who previously has owned multiple Eichlers and likes the style). The center was an eyesore previously and I couldn't see the particular value of that building.
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 5, 2013 at 12:59 pm
"I think it is time something happened there," Kniss said.
This is how Alma Plaza became what it is now.
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 5, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Newcomers don't realize that this used to be a vibrant little shopping area, with a good market, a hardware store, shoe store, restaurant, and other amenities. It was well kept up and attractive, unique, in fact. The fact that we're eager to have a market and a rejuvenated shopping area shouldn't mean that there's no penalty for breaking an agreement worked out with such difficulty and effort by both sides.
It's good that the project will continue on schedule, and also good that the Council hasn't ignored the violation the way some short-shighted people evidently would like it to.
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Mar 5, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Once again greed trumps history in Palo Alto. With 53% of Palo Alto residents registered as renters (2010 Gov't Census) it's no wonder those posting will favor anything that meets their current needs as they will have moved on long before this project is completed and will no doubt spread their precious wisdom boldly in the next community they decide to shelter in. Councilmembers such as Klein and Kniss will proudly congratulate themselves for assuring the developers that history has no place in Palo Alto. Perhaps local print media might want to investigate whether certain councilmembers gave the developer authorization without penalty to demolish the historic portion of this project, but, it is doubtful the media is willing to diminish their valuable cozy relationship with city council. What a pity.
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Mar 5, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Most Palo Altans are unaware that the majority of its residents are renters. Renters don't care about the city, long term. Now Palo Alto is beginning to have a majority of its homeowners, non US citizens.
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 5, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Shame on you Kate for your comment
a resident of Community Center
on Mar 5, 2013 at 8:46 pm
"Renters don't care about the city, long term."
You forget the city relies on the support of the renters to pass these measures/bonds in the past and possibly more in the future. The correct statement is "Renters don't care about the home owners"
"Now Palo Alto is beginning to have a majority of its homeowners, non US citizens."
If you think the majority of the renters in PA are US citizens, you're probably very wrong. Majority of them don't live in a house like you do,
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 5, 2013 at 9:26 pm
To the people who are looking forward to a beautiful shopping center, I wonder how you know it will be a beautiful. Are most of the the houses being built around town beautiful? or the stores? Nope.
A tiny park has been designed. New Councilman Berman picked up on a neighbor's suggestion to enlarge the park by postponing the construction of 2 specific houses since the developer is postponing construction of 4 houses). Enlarging the park would be an appropriate public benefit which he owes, a real benefit, not just a token.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Mar 5, 2013 at 10:26 pm
If you make him redesign the project (i.e., enlarge the park), then you end up delaying the project. Would it be fair to say that you're against any housing on the site?
The city approved the plan, you can't move the goalposts in the middle of the game. He committed a foul, so fine him as per city rules. You can't go around and make up new ways to penalize someone after the fact.
a resident of Community Center
on Mar 5, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Kate-- how is your ankylosimg spondylitis ? What do the CEOs of major corporations that you Met in Europe say?
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 6, 2013 at 11:00 am
Crescent Park Dad, its a pity you didn't listen to the developer at the city council. HE SAID he was only going to build 6 of the 10 houses. The suggestion was that the land on two of those not built become part of the park.
How long would it take for computer-aided designers to enlarge a park? an hour? This is an easy fix and would be a real benefit for us.
Who is moving the goalposts? John Tze said he took responsibility for the demolition -whatever that means. He's so sad he broke the law.
The city council gave him permission to go ahead anyway, and the punishment for breaking the law will be a fine, sometime in the future. No wonder Jim Baer and others do whatever they want. They know no one will stop them, certainly not Larry Klein or Greg Scharff or Nancy Shepherd.
The grocery market construction is to continue uninterrupted.
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Mar 6, 2013 at 11:05 am
I'm glad this project is continuing and I wish the building had been knocked down years ago. It would have eliminated having an embarrassing eyesore at one of the main entrances to Palo Alto for what, 8-10 years? We could have had a wonderful, community shopping center all this time.
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Mar 13, 2013 at 11:36 am
It is unbelievable that people consider Edge-wood Plaza a historical landmark at this point. Downtown Palo Alto wouldn't exist if we were opposed to redeveloping out-dated buildings. This was never a beautiful project, it was just another 1950's commercial style development. Yes it has been around for a long period of time, but this new project is designed in the same tradition to keep that feel without making that entire city block look like an uninhabitable crack den.
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 13, 2013 at 11:37 am
I am a Palo Alto homeowner living within .5 miles of the project and believe that the city council members opposed to allowing the project to proceed should be ashamed. Every local resident I spoke to surrounding the project was in favor of proceeding and were thrilled when the news broke of the redevelopment. I am glad they get to proceed and quite frankly believe that they did us a favor by tearing down a horrible eyesore.
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 13, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Plenty of PA renters have lived here for years--and, yes, plenty of them are Americans. It's extremely expensive to buy here in case you haven't noticed.
But, anyway, developer should be fined and the construction should continue because otherwise we have a large construction site just sitting there that does no one any good. Certainly, it doesn't do me any good as a local home owner. Having a place to shop and get coffee in walking distance will help, however.
And the old center may have been built by Eichler, but his strength as a developer wasn't in shopping centers.
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As mediocre as the blow job was, this made my day! She looks like a gal at work that I'd love to have sucking my dick... This gave me a visual!
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Good dick sucker......................................................
sie ist die absolute Queen.
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