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Marine Investigation Report M06L0063
The Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) investigated this occurrence for the purpose of advancing transportation safety. It is not the function of the Board to assign fault or determine civil or criminal liability.
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Accidental Release of Lifeboat and Loss of Life
Bulk Carrier Sea Urchin
Bay of Sept-Îles, Quebec
22 May 2006
On the morning of 22 May 2006, while at anchor in the Bay of Sept-Îles, an abandon-ship drill was carried out on board the bulk carrier Sea Urchin. At 1150 eastern daylight time, during the recovery of the starboard lifeboat, the aft hook-release gear mechanism opened. The forward mechanism, unable to take the full load, also opened. The lifeboat then fell 11 m, stern first, into the sea, fatally injuring one of the five crew members on board.
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Other Factual Information
Particulars of the Vessels
|Sea Urchin
|Standard Lifeboat
|Official/IMO Number
|Port of Registry
|Limassol, Cyprus
|Bulk carrier
|Gross Tonnage
|38 938
|Length overall1
|224.89 m
|5.3 m
|Forward: 11.75 m
Aft: 12.45 m
|2001, Imari Shipyard, Japan
|Shigi Shipbuilding Co. Ltd, Osaka, Japan
|Diesel (Burmeister & Wain 7S50MC)
|Diesel (Yanmar 3JH25A)
|59 836 tonnes of alumina in bulk
|25 (maximum capacity) or 1875 kg
|Registered Owner/Manager
|Keel Marine Co. Ltd/Blossom Maritime Corporation, Piraeus, Greece
Description of the Vessel
Photo 1 - Sea Urchin in Bay of Sept-Îles
on the St. Lawrence River
The Sea Urchin is a Panamax gearless bulk carrier with seven cargo holds. The accommodation, bridge, and engine room are located aft (see Photo 1). The vessel is equipped with two identical lifeboats, located outboard of the accommodation, one on each side.
Description of the Lifeboats
Photo 2 - Port lifeboat alongside the
Sea Urchin
There are two davit-launched gravity-type enclosed lifeboats (model SZ-53BR). The lifeboats are self-propelled, self-righting, and fitted with hook-release gear mechanisms. They were manufactured in April 2001 in Osaka, Japan (see Photo 2).
This lifeboat type was approved by the vessel's classification society, Nippon Kaiji Kyokai (Class NK), under the approval number N-478.
This design uses a remote-launching system intended to allow 25 persons to board the lifeboat before leaving the vessel.
History of the Voyage
The Sea Urchin departed Bunbury, Australia, on 15 April 2006, with a cargo of alumina for Aluminerie Alouette at Sept-Îles, Quebec. The vessel arrived at Sept-Îles on 22 May 2006 and anchored in the bay at 0800,2 2.5 nautical miles north of the Aluminerie Alouette plant at the approximate latitude and longitude of 50º10'02" N, 066º29'00" W (see Appendix A).
That same day, the chief officer (C/O) carried out a lifeboat drill to familiarize and train crew members with the lifeboats. For the majority of participating crew members, this was their first practical abandon-ship drill on that vessel since joining.
At approximately 1020, the C/O requested that the second officer (2/O), third officer (3/O), as well as the boatswain, two ordinary seamen (OS), three able seamen (AB), and the electrician, muster near the port lifeboat for a pre-drill training session. Once crew members donned their lifejackets, they boarded the lifeboat. While the C/O stood outside on deck, he gave step-by-step instructions on how to release the painter and activate the hook-release gear mechanism. After disembarking, crew members were asked to confirm if they understood the operation; they responded in the affirmative.
Two drills were to be carried out subsequently. Five crew members, including the 2/O, and the 3/O - who was in charge of the port lifeboat - re-boarded for the first drill. Once the five crew members had fastened their seat belts, the C/O ordered the lifeboat to be lowered. When the lifeboat entered the water, the C/O ordered the hooks released and thereafter for the hook-release gear to be reset. To this end, two crew members inside the craft pulled the hooks inward to the reset position; another crew member pushed the release handle down in place, the safety pin was inserted, and the davit fall long links set in the hooks. When all aboard returned to their seats and were belted, the C/O ordered the lifeboat raised. The hoisting of the lifeboat was uneventful. Afterward, the crew disembarked and proceeded to the starboard lifeboat for the second drill.
The 2/O, in charge of the starboard lifeboat, felt uncomfortable as it was his first time on the Sea Urchin and asked the 3/O to join him. With them were two ABs and an OS. The C/O and other crew members remained on deck. As with the first drill, the starboard lifeboat was lowered and, when it was afloat, the C/O ordered the hooks released. Once done, he ordered the hook-release gear to be reset. The 3/O reportedly had difficulty inserting the safety pin, but accomplished this with the help of another crew member. Eventually, he reported that everything was in place with the davit fall long links set in the hooks; the C/O subsequently ordered the lifeboat raised.
At 1150, as the davit arms started to rock back in, the aft hook released. Subsequently, the forward hook released and the lifeboat fell 11 m, hitting the water stern first at an approximate angle of 70º. The craft then capsized on its port side and began taking on water.
The master was immediately informed, and the general alarm sounded. At 1153, the master called the Marine Communications and Traffic Services (MCTS) centre to request assistance.
The lifeboat ruptured upon hitting the water, creating an opening through which two crew members exited into the sea. One was subsequently rescued using a life ring and a rope ladder, and the other boarded the port lifeboat after it was lowered. Two other crew members were able to exit through the lifeboat's forward hatch and re-board the Sea Urchin.
A head count, however, determined that the 2/O was missing, and the master informed the MCTS centre. In response, at 1226, an MCTS officer radioed a Mayday Relay, requesting assistance from nearby vessels.
Sea Urchin crew members raised the forward end of the lifeboat using the provision crane. When the port access door surfaced, the body of the 2/O could be seen inside. Resuscitation efforts were attempted but failed.
Launching and Recovery of Lifeboat
Launch Procedure
Launch can be initiated from inside the lifeboat - by pulling down the control wire linked to the davits' winch brake release mechanism - or by manually operating the brake from the vessel's boat deck.
Recovery Procedure
Once the davit fall long links are set in the hooks, the lifeboat is raised and, when contact is made between the floating block and the davit arms, the lifeboat is swung inward into its stowage position.
Hook-Release Gear Mechanism
There are a large number of often complex designs for release gear. The hook-release gear mechanism used in this occurrence, type SRS-37, is an on-load/off-load system. As shown in Figure 1, it is composed of forward and aft hooks (A), a release handle (B), and release cables (C). A hydrostatic interlock unit (D) prevents the accidental release of the hooks when the lifeboat is not in the water.
Figure 1. Hook-release gear mechanism on the lifeboat
The hook assembly is composed of three main components: the hook, the lock piece, and the cam (see Figure 2). For simultaneous operation of the hooks, the release handle in way of the steering station is used. The release cables link the release handle to the cam lever of both hooks.
Figure 2. Hook assembly in locked position
Resetting the release gear mechanism involves resetting the hooks and locking the mechanism Overall, this two-step task requires three people: one person at the steering station, and two other persons - that is, one at each hook.
Step 1: Resetting the Hooks (Figures 3 to 6)
The hook is pulled inward to adopt an upright position ready for hoisting. Note how the hook tail (B) fits into the notch of the lock piece (A), exerting a rotating force that lifts the lock piece (see Figure 3) and allows for the full rotation of the cam (C) underneath (in step 2). The design requires the user to apply a fair amount of force on the hook to lift the lock piece into final position (see Figure 4).
Figure 3. Hook tail (B) lifting the lock
piece as it enters into the
notch (A)
Figure 4. Final position: the lock piece
is lifted and the hook tail
inserted into the notch
If the reset has been done properly, clearance (yellow lines) is visible between the cam and lock piece (see Figure 5). Note that this clearance must be maintained using constant pressure on the hook to keep the lock piece in place. If this clearance is not maintained, the lock piece will pivot back down and interfere with the cam, preventing the resetting of the cam into its final position (see Figure 6).
Figure 5. Yellow lines indicate clearance
between lock piece and cam
Figure 6. Interference between lock
piece and cam
Step 2: Locking the Mechanism (Figures 7 to 10)
The second step requires pushing the release handle down (yellow arrow, F), thereby moving the release cables in the direction of the red arrow (see Figure 7); the release cable will in turn push the lever, causing the cam to rotate (see Figure 8). Note that, if the lock piece has pivoted down and interferes with the cam, the release handle will either not move or will only move following the exertion of an atypical amount of force. Moreover, if an undue amount of force is applied on the release handle, this force can cause deformation of the cable-attachment bracket and/or the release handle.
Figure 7. Release handle at steering
station being pushed down
Figure 8. Cam being rotated into final
position, with lock piece held
in place by force on hook
Once the release handle has been pushed down to its final position, the holes in the release handle and the safety bracket align, allowing for the insertion of the safety pin. The safety pin is then rotated to its locking position (see Figure 9).
Figure 9. Safety pin inserted in handle
and bracket twisted to lock
in place
Figure 10. Final position: lever
horizontal (red knob) and
green reference marks
Note: If the operation is carried out as designed, in the final reset position, the cam lever will be horizontal and the green reference marks on the cam lever assembly and the bracket will be aligned (see Figure 10).
Lifeboat Inspection
At the end of March 2006, the vessel called at Hyundai Vinashin Shipyard in Khanh Hoa, Vietnam, for a Special Class survey. This included a lifesaving-appliance survey, which in turn featured an overhaul, inspection, and test of the lifeboat's hook-release mechanism as well as an examination of the davits and a dynamic testing of the winch brake. These tests and the examination were all deemed satisfactory. At the time of the survey, the fall wires were replaced.
Photo 3 - The 25-person lifeboat, as received at
the TSB Engineering Laboratory
A post-occurrence examination of the port lifeboat revealed that its hook-release gear mechanism had been improperly reset during the drill on the day of the occurrence.
The starboard lifeboat was transported to the TSB Engineering Laboratory for examination and testing (see Photo 3).
The Sea Urchin had a crew of 23, none of whom were familiar with the type of hook-release gear mechanism on board the lifeboats - with the exception of the C/O, who had familiarized himself with the documentation two months before the occurrence.
Onboard records indicate that crew members carried out an abandon-ship drill on 31 March 2006, before departing the shipyard. Accompanying comments refer to the exercise as "fair, not quite satisfactory." There was no written confirmation that lifeboats were lowered at that time. Two additional abandon-ship drills were conducted at sea, one on 05 April 2006 and the other on 06 May 2006; both were described as "satisfactory," although neither instance involved lowering the lifeboats. In both cases, crews took their place inside their designated lifeboat while the C/O explained the operation of the release gear. There was neither a formal evaluation of the crew's knowledge of the release gear mechanism nor any hands-on system usage - crew members were nonetheless told to become familiar with the system. At the end of those training sessions, crew members were asked if they understood; they responded in the affirmative.
Training Material
Copies of the instruction manual for the type SRS-37 hook-release gear mechanism, as well as the lifeboat's operating and maintenance manual, were available in the crew's mess room.3 Following the 05 April 2006 abandon-ship drill, the C/O requested that these be read by the crew.
The instruction manual for the hook-release gear mechanism features coloured pictograms with Japanese text, as well as a translation in English, which was the vessel's working language. Coloured pictograms and warnings were also posted inside the lifeboats.
According to the manual, the hook is reset when a crew member pulls it inward. The manual mentions the need to check for clearance and the alignment of the green reference marks, but there is no mention of the need to maintain constant pressure on the hook until the cam is fully rotated.
Similarly Equipped Vessels
According to the manufacturer, approximately 500 lifeboats were fitted with the type SRS-37 release gear mechanism. However, as its products are often sold through third parties, the manufacturer has stated that there were difficulties in contacting/tracing current owners.
Additionally, type SRS-37 has been out of production for several years; a new production design no longer requires crew members to manipulate the hook during reset.
Hook-Release Gear Mechanism
Before the recovery of the starboard lifeboat, the crew had difficulties lowering the release handle to its final position. Additional force by two crew members was applied in order to lower the release handle to a position where the safety pin could be inserted. In this instance, the release handle and the cable attachment bracket were found deformed and the safety pin inserted, but not rotated into its locked position (see Photos 4 and 5).
Photo 4. Deformation of release handle,
with safety pin not rotated
into locked position
Photo 5. Deformation of release
cable attachment bracket
When the release handle is lowered with the lock piece in an intermediate position, the lock piece interferes with the cam rotation. Any additional force applied on the release handle will translate into the release cable attachment bracket being deformed. The greater the deformation, the closer the release handle will be to its reset (final) position. With each subsequent deformation, and closer to final positioning of the reset handle, it becomes more likely that, given the short distance needed to achieve the goal of inserting the safety pin, an operator will attempt to force the system.
During the post-occurrence salvage, as the starboard lifeboat was being raised from the water, the cam lever on the aft hook assembly was observed as not being in the horizontal reset position (see Photos 6 and 7); hence, the hooks were not locked in place before the recovery.
Photo 6. Deformation of release
handle, with safety pin
not rotated into locked
Photo 7. Deformation of release
cable attachment bracket
Although the release handle was locked by the safety pin, the cams (both fore and aft) were not fully rotated under their respective lock pieces. The interference resulting from the incorrect re-setting of the hooks, combined with the force required to insert the safety pin, accounted for the subsequent residual compression force in the release cables/cam lever assembly.4
This in turn generated sufficient friction between the cam edge and the lock piece to hold the hook in place and bear the load of the lifeboat. While the lifeboat was being hoisted, it was in a quasi-static state - at least until the floating blocks reached the davit arms, at which point the shock resulting from impact overcame the friction that held the aft hook in place. This released the davit fall long link. As the lifeboat's aft end began to fall, the load was transferred to the improperly reset forward hook, which could not absorb the additional load and released, allowing the lifeboat to fall.
Even though the mechanism is set improperly, an operator can be deceived that the mechanism is operating safely by lowering the release handle into position and being able to insert the safety pin. This false sense of security is enhanced by the hooks remaining in vertical position, capable of holding the lifeboat during the hoisting operation.
At the International Maritime Organization (IMO) Maritime Safety Committee (MSC) 82nd session held in November 2006, a proposal was drafted regarding the prevention of the accidental release of lifeboats during recovery.5
... 3 to prevent an accidental release during recovery of the boat, unless the hook is completely reset, either the hook shall not be able to support any load, or the handle or safety pins shall not be able to be returned to the reset (closed) position without excessive force. Additional danger signs shall be posted at each hook station to alert crew members to the proper method of resetting;
The large number of often complex designs, combined with the fact that crew members rarely return to the same vessel, creates a lack of familiarity with an essential piece of lifesaving equipment, thereby continuing to put seafarers at risk.
History of Improper Resetting
The interference or lack of clearance can be seen in Photos 8 and 9. These photos show multiple indentations where the cam previously interfered with the lock piece of the starboard lifeboat.
Photo 8. Indentations on aft hook lock
piece caused by contact with
top edge of cam
Photo 9. Indentations on forward hook
lock piece caused by contact
with top edge of cam
The multiple indentations on the lock piece, caused by contact with the cam edge, suggest that this scenario had taken place before- a repeated pattern of improper resetting that put the safety of crew and equipment at risk.
Crew Training and Familiarization
Training Material
Before this occurrence, training consisted of a brief, on-site system familiarization and a request that crew members read the instruction manuals. Reportedly, they did read the manuals and acknowledged having understood the mechanism. However, physical evidence as found on the mechanism pieces suggests that this was not the case and hence the onboard training did not meet its objectives. There was no formal knowledge evaluation after the drills, nor was there any hands-on training. The next opportunity for the crew to interact with the mechanism was not until the day of the occurrence.
The successful resetting of the hooks is paramount to properly resetting the release gear mechanism, with the essential point being an understanding of the interaction between the hook and the lock piece. Although the SRS-37 instruction manual addresses the issue of clearance and interference between the lock piece and the rotating cam, the manual does not draw the user's attention to why the lock piece can pivot back down, nor does the manual highlight the need to maintain constant pressure on the hook until the cam is fully rotated.
The IMO has previously recognized that user-friendly manuals for lifeboat systems - especially for release gear systems - are important to help preventing casualties.6 The Marine Accident Investigation Branch (MAIB) of the United Kingdom also recognizes the need to explain the reasoning behind a given procedure:
For training material to be effective ... knowing why things are done... will do much to ensure [a] trainee understands the procedures and will remember them when under pressure. Inspection of many training manuals reveals they do not extend this far.7
Content could, for example, include "an explanation of the structure and working principle of the major parts,"8 the relationship between diagrams and text, and a comprehensive step-by-step approach - all of which contribute to a better understanding.
Without full comprehension of the reasons for a given procedure, there exists a risk that crews may not place adequate emphasis on instruction manuals, particularly when very different release mechanisms can look very similar.
Hands-on Training
Subsequent to joining the vessel, crew members were told to read the manual for the lifeboat, which includes the hook-release gear mechanism. There was no confirmation or evaluation that the material had been understood and that crew members were proficient with its use.
Release gear mechanisms come in a variety of designs. It is therefore crucial that crews be proficient with the use of the onboard equipment. To be effective, the knowledge gained from any training manual must be applied to an actual hands-on situation - preferably a stress-free environment before actually conducting a drill - which allows for safe trial and error.
This process transforms theoretical knowledge into practical understanding and skill. It is also recognized that training enhanced with models or replicas improves knowledge transfer. Failure to confirm that theoretical knowledge has been safely transformed into practical understanding and skill will continue to put users of release gear mechanisms at risk.
Findings as to Causes and Contributing Factors
- The aft release mechanism opened with the impact of the floating blocks on the davit arms. The load was then transferred to the forward hook, which, due to improper resetting, released and caused the lifeboat to fall.
- Because the hooks were not held in their proper position during the reset of the release mechanism, the hooks were improperly reset.
- Residual compressive force in the release cable allowed the lock piece to be held in place by friction alone, making hoisting of the lifeboat possible.
- The deformation of the release cable attachment enabled the release handle to be secured in the reset position even though the hook-release mechanism was not properly reset.
- The combination of reading the instruction manual and a pre-drill training session was insufficient to ensure that crew members fully understood how to reset the hook-release mechanism.
Findings as to Risk
- Although the instruction manual conformed to the International Maritime Organization format, its contents were less than adequate for a complete and thorough understanding.
- Some release gear mechanisms can appear to be properly secured even though they are not - creating a false sense of security that continues to place the lives of crew members at risk.
- Failure to ensure that theoretical knowledge concerning lifesaving equipment including release gear mechanisms has been safely transformed into practical understanding will continue to put seafarers at risk.
Safety Action Taken
Transportation Safety Board
On 27 October 2006, the TSB made a presentation to the manufacturer, the classification society, and representatives from the vessel's Protection and Indemnity Club (P & I) regarding the identified safety deficiencies. As part of the presentation, animations were created of both a proper and improper resetting of the release mechanism. On 30 November 2006, the TSB issued Marine Safety Advisory (MSA) 11/06 to Transport Canada (TC), to request that the Paris and Tokyo Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) secretariats be informed that all vessels equipped with the type SRS-37 release gear mechanisms should be inspected, and that the ability of each ship's crew to safely operate the release mechanism be verified accordingly. This MSA was issued because it was felt that the manufacturer might not be in a position to ensure that all affected vessels were made aware of the design and operation inadequacies of this release gear mechanism.
International Maritime Organization
The International Maritime Organization (IMO) issued the following documentation related to lifeboat release mechanisms:
- MSC.1/Circ.1205;
- MSC.1/Circ. 1206; and
- Resolution MSC.218 (82) (see Appendix C), adopted 08 December 2006, Adoption of Amendments to the International Life-Saving Appliance (LSA) Code
Transport Canada
In response to the aforementioned MSA, TC advised the Paris and Tokyo MOU secretariats of this Port State Control issue and provided them with a copy of the TSB's MSA. The secretariats have sent a circular to their members with respect to the advisory notice, and the Paris MOU secretariats have posted the explanatory animation files on their Web sites for their members. Furthermore, TC has made its inspectors aware of the content of IMO Resolution MSC.218(82), relating to the general requirements for lifeboats.9
Shortly after the occurrence, the manufacturer took measures to review its instruction manual. After a review of the updated manual, the TSB determined that a risk remains that users might secure the release handle in the closed position without the hook being properly reset. Consequently, Marine Safety Information letter 08/06, concerning the updated instruction manual, was issued on 07 December 2006 to the manufacturer. The manufacturer replied that it considered the updated manual to be adequate.
Later, in March 2007, the manufacturer published a safety guidance specifically for the type SRS-37 release gear mechanism.10
Ship Management
The ship management company distributed to all ships under its control a safety instruction circular related to lifeboat operations.
The ship management company forwarded a copy of the internal investigation report to the ship's flag state indicating corrective and preventive measures.
Classification Society Nippon Kaiji Kyokai
In October 2006, Nippon Kaiji Kyokai (Class NK) issued Technical Information Bulletin TEC-067611 requiring that an overhaul of the unload release gear be carried out in the presence of a surveyor, and that this be done by a manufacturer's representative or person appropriately trained and certified by the manufacturer in accordance with MSC.1/Circ.1206.12
On 13 April 2007, following the publication of the safety guidance by the manufacturer, Class NK issued Technical Information Bulletin TEC-0694 regarding the type SRS-37 release gear mechanism on the manufacturer's lifeboats.
This report concludes the Transportation Safety Board's investigation into this occurrence. Consequently, the Board authorized the release of this report on 21 August 2008.
Appendix A - Sketch of Occurrence Area
Figure 11. Marine chart 1221
Appendix B - Reference Materials
- International Maritime Organization (IMO), Maritime Safety Committee (MSC) Circular (Circ.) IMO MSC.1/Circ.1205 - Guideline for Developing Operation and Maintenance Manuals for Lifeboat Systems
- IMO MSC.1/Circ.1206 - Measures to Prevent Accidents with Lifeboats
- IMO Resolution MSC.218 (82), CHAPTER IV - SURVIVAL CRAFT
- Marine Accident Investigation Branch (MAIB), Safety Study 1/2001 - Review of Lifeboat and Launching Systems' Accidents
- Manufacturer SRS-37 Instruction Manual
- Classification Society Nippon Kaiji Kyokai Technical Information Bulletin TEC-0676
- Transportation Safety Board of Canada, Engineering Laboratory Report LP 042/2006 (available upon request)
Appendix C - Resolution MSC.218 (82)
4.4 General requirements for lifeboats
.3 to prevent an accidental release during recovery of the boat, unless the hook is completely reset, either the hook shall not be able to support any load, or the handle or safety pins shall not be able to be returned to the reset (closed) position without excessive force. Additional danger signs shall be posted at each hook station to alert crew members to the proper method of resetting;
.4 the release mechanism shall be so designed and installed that crew members from inside the lifeboat can clearly determine when the system is ready for lifting by:
.4.1 directly observing that the movable hook portion or the hook portion that locks the movable hook portion in place is properly and completely reset at each hook; or
.4.2 observing a non-adjustable indicator that confirms that the mechanism that locks the movable hook portion in place is properly and completely reset at each hook; or
.4.3 easily operating a mechanical indicator that confirms that the mechanism that locks the movable hook in place is properly and completely reset at each hook;
.5 clear operating instructions shall be provided with a suitably worded warning notice using colour coding, pictograms, and/or symbols as necessary for clarity. If colour coding is used, green shall indicate a properly reset hook and red shall indicate danger of improper or incorrect setting;
.6 the release control shall be clearly marked in a colour that contrasts with its surroundings.
Units of measurement in this report conform to International Maritime Organization (IMO) standards or, where there is no such standard, are expressed in the International System of units. ↑
All times are eastern daylight time (Coordinated Universal Time minus four hours). ↑
Both documents-Simultaneous Release Device Model SRS-37 Instruction Manual and the SZ-53 BR Totally Enclosed Lifeboat, Operating Instruction and Maintenance Manual - meet IMO requirements. ↑
More details can be found in TSB Engineering Laboratory report LP 042/2006. ↑
ANNEX 4, CHAPTER IV, SURVIVAL CRAFT, Section 4.4, General requirements for lifeboats, item 18. ↑
IMO, MSC.1/Circ.1205 - Guidelines for Developing Operation and Maintenance Manuals for Lifeboat Systems. ↑
MAIB, Safety Study 1/2001 - Review of Lifeboat and Launching Systems' Accidents. ↑
MO, MSC.1/Circ.1205 - Guideline for Developing Operation and Maintenance Manuals for Lifeboat Systems. ↑
Adoption of Amendments to the International Life-Saving Appliance (LSA) Code ↑
Prevention of Falling Accident of Lifeboat Equipped with our SRS-37 Type Release Device ↑
Annual Thorough Examination of the Lifeboat and Launching Appliances ↑
Measures to Prevent Accidents with Lifeboats ↑
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|January 4, 2013, 06:41 AM
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Value of rifle
I am new at this forum and are seeking som help regarding regarding and old rifle from my grandfather.
Anyone out there who can recognize this weapon and if it has any value?
You help will be highly appreciated.
Mr. Berg
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|January 4, 2013, 09:30 AM
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Mr Berg, Welcome to TFL.
Can you please take a good photo of the lock side faceplate showing hammer, etc.? You stand a better chance of identification if there are any markings there or at least someone can note similarities with other percussion and/or modified actions in that manner.
and again, welcome. A lot of people here know a lot of useful information (I'm not one of them mind you )
A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington, January 8, 1790, First State of the Union Address
|January 4, 2013, 02:36 PM
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Thank you, senior member!
I have taken some more detailed pictures, but unfortunately can not find any more markings than the one beside the barrell.
You can also see on the picture of the shaft a carving of the number 413.
I really hope someone are able to recognize this item and it`s history.
Thank you again for giving me your time and effort regarding this matter.
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|January 4, 2013, 04:00 PM
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Where are you and the rifle located? That might give a clue to its identity.
|January 4, 2013, 04:07 PM
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Oh, sorry...
We are both located in Norway!
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|January 4, 2013, 04:20 PM
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well I have come up blank, no references to a breech loading rifle that fits your description any markings. if the 1966 is a date then that suggests a reproduction but in the condition was probably buried to make it age more and turn it into a fake antique rifle. if the 1966 is a serial number then it is probably a very old(pre 20th century) breech loader. my best guess would be italian.
ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar.
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|January 5, 2013, 10:41 AM
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From what I can tell, there are no markings on the lockplate. The markings on the barrel do nothing to aid in identification. The 1966 date is confusing. Most dates on classic rifles I have seen are on the lockplate or the barrel near the breech.
Perhaps the only way to positively ID the rifle would be to remove the barrel and lockplate from the stock to examine for any markings. However If you are not familiar with this proceedure, you could easily damage the wood, screws or other parts as they are more than likely rusted in place.
I would leave the rifle alone.
|January 5, 2013, 11:47 AM
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It looks like an 1853 Enfield but could be some sort of copy without any British markings.
|January 5, 2013, 12:18 PM
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I think that tater may be correct, it is possibly a reproduction 1853 enfield musket but the bands look wrong from all the pictures I've seen and there should be a crown behind the hammer as well as other british proofs... in any event it's probably a fake but I know very little on the subject and could very well end up being wrong.
ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar.
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|January 5, 2013, 08:51 PM
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The lockplate and bolster indicate that it is a British Enfield, probably an Model 1853, or a reproduciton thereof. Unless someone can decipher the barrel markings, don't know what other information would be available.
It was probably a rifle musket originally, then maybe converted to a shotgun. The wire wrapping in lieu of a band is obviously not original.
The modern musket nipple does indicate that some recent owner wanted to fire the old gun, but I would hesitate to do so due to its present condition.
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|January 7, 2013, 02:57 AM
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Thank you, Guys! I will investigate this a little further based on your info.
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|January 10, 2013, 08:41 PM
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What it reminds me of is an obsolete military arm that was cut down for the use of the native populations in places like Africa.
Similar arms, only in flintlock, were sold by the thousands to native American Indians in the 19th century and are typically found in similar condition. The general condition of this arm strikes me as one that was used much, and cleaned/cared for little. The wire band on the stock looks primitive enough to support this theory.
As to the numbers and/or dates it carries, I would think that they are most likely some kind of importers stamps placed on it when it was brought back to Europe.
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I agree on that it looks like an Enfield - the lock and bolster sure look like an Enfield as do the profile of the butt stock. I'm not an expert on Enfields nor what contracts that the Brits may have had with supplying other governments. I do know that I have seen originals without any lock markings. I once bid on an Enfield (probably 45 years ago) at an auction that was unmarked on the lock plate but had a wrist inlay indicating it was property of Peru. A lot of these "surplus" guns were sold off and ended up as "trade guns".
As a side note - I once shot with a fellow on a NSSA team who introduced me to a fellow on another team as he wanted me to see the rifle he was shooting. It was an original Enfield. They guy had been in Viet Nam and they had run across a cache of arms in a tunnel. They brought out two original Enfields - 2 banded - that were in mint condition and still in the grease. He cabbaged on to one of them but the other went in to the pile of arms and was burned. In the cache he said that there was also an original 1866 Winchester - an engraved presentation piece - that an officer grabbed on to. Probably these arms dated back to the French - who knows how they got there. Surplus arms ended up all over the world - and let's not forget Bannermans who sold thousands of surplus arms all over the world.
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Our Far-Flung Correspondents: Al Qaeda's Letter to the New Yorker
In 2007, the New Yorker published staff writer Raffi Khatchadourian's lengthy and nuanced profile of "American Al Qaeda" Adam Gadahn, the California-born death metal enthusiast who converted to Islam, moved to Pakistan, and rose to the leadership of Al Qaeda. What the magazine has never reported: Gadahn wrote back.
After Khatchadourian's story ran in January 2007, Gawker has learned, he received an email from someone purporting to be Gadahn, as well as a letter addressed to the New Yorker's Times Square headquarters. In between jihadist rants, the letter offered praise for Khatchadourian's account of Gadahn's youth and criticized his treatment of the young man's descent into militant Islam. It also challenged Khatchadourian on some details, claiming, contrary to Khatchadourian, that Gadahn never wore blue jeans.
Khatchadourian had no idea how seriously to take the letter. He wrote back to the email address, seeking verification, but got no response. "It might have been him," he told Gawker. "It seemed like him. But who knows? It could have been a hoax." The New Yorker's editors did, however, immediately contact the FBI, not least because the letter appeared to Khatchadourian to have been hand-delivered, rather than mailed—which meant an Al Qaeda messenger might have been traipsing through Times Square. (It turned out that it had been mailed from either Dubai or one of the Arab emirates, Khatchadourian recalls, but the outer envelope with postage had been discarded by a mail room employee.)
The New Yorker may have had its doubts, but the FBI took the letter very seriously, and at least one veteran counterterrorism agent became convinced that it was genuine. Gawker has obtained a private memo apparently written by Mark Rossini, a former supervisory special agent with the FBI who was working in the office of public affairs in 2007, describing the FBI's response to the Gadahn letter as "a highly complex investigation." (Rossini was a bureau veteran who had served as the FBI's representative to the CIA's Counterterrorism Center in the run-up to the 9/11 attacks. The memo is a defensive summary of Rossini's career at the FBI written after he was accused of illegally accessing a bureau investigative database, a crime to which he pleaded guilty in 2009. The memo was posted, along with several other documents concerning Rossini's career, on a password-protected web site promoted to a variety of reporters by an anonymous email correspondent last month.)
The memo, which alternates between first and third person references to Rossini, says the Gadahn letter sparked a major investigation "utilizing the most sensitive investigative techniques at the disposal" of the U.S. government (though the references to Gadahn and the New Yorker are partially redacted in the memo, it's obvious from context and some unobscured letters what they refer to):
SSA [supervisory special agent] Rossini worked on a highly sensitive matter when fugitive Adam Gadahn contacted the New Yorker magazine via email and parcel post. SSA Rossini was the first person in law enforcement that editor of the New Yorker (David Remnick) contacted. SSA Rossini responded that evening and worked through that night and subsequent days and weeks with FBI personnel in the Office of Public Affairs in Washington D.C. and New York as well as SA's [special agents] from the Coutnerterrorism Division in Los Angeles, New York and FBIHQ (LA since Gadahn was indicted there). SSA Rossini was the main conduit of the FBI with New Yorker personnel due to his experience, liaison skills and expertise on counterterrorism investigations and public affairs. SSA Rossini had to simultaneously maintain and promote cooperation with a world renowned periodical while facilitating a highly complex investigation utilizing the most sensitive investigative techniques at the disposal of the USG.
Khatchadourian says FBI agents took the brown wrapper the letter came in to analyze it for fingerprints, and followed up at least twice to ask if he had received any further correspondence. But they never indicated to him that the FBI was confident—at least as confident as Rossini's memo seems to indicate—that the writer was indeed a high-level Al Qaeda operative. The New Yorker never published or reported on the letter, he says, because it wasn't sure of its provenance. Asked to furnish a copy, he declined:
"I still have the letter, but I also have accumulated thousands of other documents since then, and I would have to hunt for it. In any case, we didn't publish the letter five years ago, and since we don't know exactly what it is we have, I don't see us releasing it now. If we did one day decide to use it for a story we would obviously do that here."
An FBI spokesman did not return an email seeking comment, and Rossini declined to speak for the record.
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Contusion in foot has Hafner out of lineup
By Josh Vitale / MLB.com
NEW YORK -- Travis Hafner wasn't in the starting lineup on Friday night, but manager Joe Girardi said he could use his designated hitter if he needed to.
Hafner left Wednesday's game against the Royals with a contusion in his left foot after fouling off a ball while taking swings in the batting cages during the game. He is listed as day to day.
"Other than it being numb, it didn't feel too bad," Hafner said after the game. "So I think I should be all right."
The veteran has struggled at the plate after getting off to a hot start in April. He's batting just .175 since May 1, and he hasn't hit a home run since June 25.
Overall, he's batting .215 with 12 home runs and 37 RBIs.
"I feel good," he said. "I just want to go out there, contribute and help the team."
Yanks have signed first 17 Draft picks
NEW YORK -- The deadline for signing picks from the 2013 First-Year Player Draft passed at 5 p.m. ET on Friday, but the Yankees had already gotten a majority of their players under contract by that point.
The last to sign was outfielder Aaron Judge, the second pick of the first round. New York has not announced the signing yet, but a baseball source confirmed to MLB.com that Judge signed a contract on Thursday worth $1.8 million.
The Yankees' first pick, third baseman Eric Jagielo, agreed to a contract worth $1,839,400 on June 13, and the final first-round pick, left-hander Ian Clarkin, signed a contract worth $1,650,000 six days later. The second- and third-round picks, second baseman Gosuke Katoh and outfielder Michael O'Neill, also signed.
Jagielo and O'Neill are playing for the Staten Island Yankees, and Katoh is playing for the Gulf Coast League Yankees. Clarkin, who was signed out of high school, has yet to debut.
Judge's signing means that the Yankees have agreed to contracts with each of their first 17 picks in the 2013 Draft, ranging from rounds 1 through 15. Overall they have signed 26 of their 42 draftees.
Granderson making progress, but work remains
NEW YORK -- Curtis Granderson is not yet ready to begin a rehab assignment.
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said that Granderson -- who has been running, fielding and taking swings underwater in Tampa, Fla. -- took dry swings for the first time on Thursday.
Cashman wasn't sure if Granderson swung a broomstick or a bat -- he had not gotten the full report -- but it is a sign of progress for the outfielder, who has been on the disabled list since May 25 with a broken left pinkie.
Manager Joe Girardi and Cashman have both said that Granderson could return before the end of July, but he still has some work to do before he reaches that point.
"He's not even taking batting practice yet. He wasn't hitting off the tee yet," Cashman said. "He was doing swings in the pool, then I think yesterday was potentially the first day for him doing stuff [in the] open air."
Bombers bits
• The Yankees held a HOPE Week Alumni Reunion before Friday's game, inviting all of the honorees from 2009 to 2012 back to Yankee Stadium.
• The Class A Tampa Yankees' game was rained out for the second consecutive night, meaning third baseman Alex Rodriguez won't be playing a rehab game on Friday. He had been scheduled to play seven innings at third base. Tampa has another home game on Saturday, but there's no word as to what Rodriguez's next step will be.
Josh Vitale is an associate reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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In the world of tattoos (as with anything else) there are good ones, bad ones, and those that should be lasered off before the ink even sets. Celebrity tats are no different. Just because someone is rich and famous doesn't mean their body art is any better than anyone else's.
In fact, sometimes it's the exact opposite.
This list tackles the bad to the "what the hell IS that thing" side of the tattoo spectrum, with misspelled words, homages to former lovers and a whole lot more in the mix.
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Mosquito Control Measures: Poll Results
- Jul 2, 2009
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About 980 readers of TheHorse.com responded to a poll asking, "What mosquito control measures do you utilize?"
Results were as follows:
- Insect repellants 78.27% (767)
- Regular cleaning of water troughs 72.76% (713)
- Eliminate unnecessary standing water 66.33% (650)
- Regular manure removal 58.78% (576)
- Fly masks/sheets 52.55% (515)
- All of the above 19.90% (195)
- Stable horses at dusk and dawn 17.86% (175)
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- Dunks in the water trough and any standing water
- mosquito dunks in pond
- Use BT donuts in ponds
- stalls open to their paddocks, doors have flaps to keep out bugs
- Insect predators are quite effective in the fly control program. They eat fly larvae & are nontoxic
- also put applecider vinagar in water troughs to prevent mosquitos laying eggs in it
- Encourage the stupid barn swallows.....
- Living in FL means turnout in evening Flys or Mosquitos?
- and stall fans - circulating air keeps them away
- I'm in year 3 using fly preditors.awesome. and i use herbal oils for repellent, not chemical.
- Am I missing something? What has manure do with mosquitos?
- But since we live so close to the Colorado River, it's impossible to eliminate them :(
- This year for the first time I have started using EquiSpot on the horses and fly predators. Works!
- how does manure removal help with mosquitos?! is this a trick question?
- encourage birds and bats that eat mosquitoes.
- Can't really keep mosquitoes away; vaccinate for mosquito-born disease
- My horse is spoiled
- Fly masks, no sheets
- Mosquito dunks in pond and where water cannot be removed
- You can never be too careful
- Its monsoon season here in the desert, we usually flood & get mosquitos at least once each summer
- My chickens help keep the fly and parasites in check,great manure managers !
- only mask and sheet the ones who are most allergic
- also use preditors.
- We also use a SkeeterVac, fly predators, Equispot
- our horses have free access to their stalls.
- Provide habitat for birds, bats that eat mosquitos
- And free range chickens
- My horse has a 3 1/2 sided stall in a barn with open access to turnout.
- smudge piles
- Also vaccinate against any mosquito transmitted diseases.
- but also making sure all my horses are up to date on everything
- None, do not have a big problem. We have wind!
- prevention
- I also put my horses outside at night
- goldfish in the water tank. they eat the mosquito larvae
- gambusia fish in water tanks to eat mosquito larvae
- everything helps in the dry season, nothing works in monsoon
- I also have purple martin houses around the property
- mosquito dunks once a month
- Call county mosquito control
- I also add Skin So SOft to my fly spray.
- drinking wateri system precludes need to clean troughs.
- We normally don't get mosquitos because we don't get much rain.
- Very dry in L. A., no standing water
- fish in water troughs too.
- my barn has in/out stalls, so no stabling unless the horses choose!
- fly predators and feed through repellant
- Also use insects that eat flies
- So Cal is bad so we dont take any changes, plus we inoculate
- I don't see that some of the mentioned options are mosquito specific
- Mosquito beater granules
- goldfish in troughs help keep eggs down and algae
- We also use fans on high speed in the stalls. The horses are on pasture 24/7, with stall access.
- put some cheap goldfish inthe 100gal tank
- All of the above except my horses can go in or out 24/7 with hay available 24/7
- And I use Mosquito Dunks in my tanks and any standing water areas I can't drain.
- put gold fish in stock tanks, elimated development of larvae
- I do not have a barn, all are on pasture
- fish in water troughs to eat larvae
- turn out at night and use Off bug spray
- also, using Bti. bacteria to kill mosquito larvae in ponds and other still water.Harmless to others
- Goldfish in the water tanks to eat larva. Equi-spot as a deterrent.
- Horse sweats profusely under fly mask.Place too large to control standing water.Do remove all manure
- few mosquitos here
- Water troughs have gold fish and little frogs
- Also encourage birds to be around the barn - free insect control!
- Reduce the source & cover up the horses during peak hours.
- Also using Garlic on the food.
- I use mosquito dunks in wet areas, and they work well.
- I also use mosquito control in my water troughs
- Also add common goldfish to a summer pond
- none
- Also have fans in run in sheds and use Bt granules
- We are fortunate to NOT have many mosquitos here in Western WA.Very rarely see them.
- bug zapper light
- misquitos are bad for humans too!
- plus we use bio spot on my mares that really help
- biggest source of mosquitos, standing water
- mosquito dunks in water troughs and rain barrels
- We have a bat colony in our barn that we value highly.
- plus vaccinate for all of the mosquito borne diseases that have vaccines
- Here in Minnesota I use a Mosquito Magnet. It significantly reduces the mosquito population.
- Screened in the barn and hired professsional sprayer
- water i have become very careful t
- Help!- My donkey is allergic to bug bites AND fly spray (his hair falls off when I use repellants)!
- Also use a wind mill for aeration of pond
- luckily where I live I rarely see mosquitoes
- I also use a vectobac in standing water and a "Nosquito" mosquito vacuum!
- My horse gets significant reactions to all kinds of flys/mosq. I use everything available :)
- A tbsp. of corn oil in the water trough will suffocate mosquito larvae when they try to breathe.
- use same measures as fly control, not specific to mossquitos.
- marigolds are natural mosquito repellants, plant them around your barn.
- Mosquitos not too bad this year, even with all the rain.Lots of birds though to eat them.
- Biological control measures in birdbaths, etc.
- spray with CBPA, stops them in water. no effects
- goldfish in tanks to eat larvae
- I haven't seen as many mosquitoes in my area of So Cal this year.
- I do all of the above and still those flies torment my horses.
- horses are free to come and go from a clean dark barn with fans on at all times
- Fish in water troughs, Mosquito magnet utilized
- WNV innoculations twice a year, spring and fall
- Also use mosquito control products in ponds
- add mosquito dunks to water tanks
- Use Mosquito Dunks in the natural waterway
- don't like masks, rather use wipe on protectant, like to see the eyes
- I take these measures for the general health of my horse, not just for mosquito control.
- mosquito "dunks" in troughs
- also use Arbico mosquito control measures
- Bird & Bat Houses also.
- Plus Barn Swallows. They are most effective.
- In addition, fans in the stalls and have a spray system in the barn. Welcome to Florida.
- I also vaccinate.
- we also use smudges
- My insect repellent is maintaining a healthy population of bats and swallows!
- fly predators #1
- Also, fly spray system in barn
- And West Nile Virus Vaccine.
- spray woodchips and stall walls. Keep stall open so they can come in if they need to get relief
- Barn where I board could and should do more to discourage flies and mosquitos.
- Mow the pasture of weeds and keep dragged
- I use skin so soft to repel. Works great!
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There must be 100 beer leagues around Ottawa and yet, soon enough, there will also still be one group of hockey players who just can't find a game.
They seem like good guys, too, and they definitely know their way around the slippery surface. You can see that very clearly watching them skate at the Bell Sensplex three mornings a week.
They already have a coach (former NHLer John Chabot), and they already have their own team jerseys, if not a nickname.
May we suggest The Big Rig Brewery Brothers?
Even their union might like the sounds of that.
Chris Phillips could be both the team owner (he's already the Brothers' sponsor) and any beer league's Norris Trophy winner, while leading all beer leaguers in scoring (before you argue that, read on).
That is, when he's not wearing his other hat as the Senators' representative in the CBA fight he and his Brothers are having with NHL owners — when the feeling moves one of the sides to actually call for a meeting.
Since that apparently doesn't happen very often, Phillips, who has lived in Ottawa for the past 15 seasons and has no immediate plans to join the exodus overseas, should have plenty of buddies here who would have a spot open on their beer league roster, right?
"I think I could find a team," Big Rig said with a chuckle the other day at Sensplex.
Two or three teams found Shaun Van Allen during the last lockout, including mine. We were the Broadway Wolves, in the Barrhaven men's over-35 league. I take credit for the free-agent signing of Van Allen, who, like Phillips, was and remains one of this town's finest fellows.
Back then, Van Allen was 36 years old and anxious to earn at least one more salary from the Senators. While waiting for the 1994 lockout to sort itself out, he tried to sweat out his frustrations as often as possible.
Our league wasn't much help in that department, unfortunately.
Van Allen, a fourth-line NHL centre, played defence on the Wolves. When we were short, he would stay on the ice for the whole game. Seemed we won every night by a single goal that he either scored or set up.
He dominated a game even more so than the way Bobby Orr did for the Bruins, and Van Allen wasn't even really trying.
I personally remember potting a beauty: Standing in front of the net with my stick on the ice, as he had instructed, Van Allen sent a magical saucer pass from the corner that just hovered over one opponent's stick, then slipped under another's, before bouncing off my blade and into the mesh.
Of course, I celebrated like I had actually done something.
The slim margin of victory would both satisfy Van Allen's competitive nature and always allow the guys on the other team to think they had a chance — even though they didn't. That way they wouldn't complain about him being too good to be in our league, and Van Allen could continue to go for a skate — then a couple of pops and chicken wings — with his friends.
But while the bankers, government workers and mechanics on other teams liked to tell everybody they were playing against an NHLer, they were also competitive, and some of them would hack and hold Van Allen as he would be breezing around them.
A couple of the fools even wanted to fight him, probably not realizing the pressure the bigger and stronger Van Allen was feeling to continue his pro career and support his wife and three kids.
The fools were lucky he was convinced not to oblige.
Van Allen never did get a chance to suit up for another game in the NHL, just as Daniel Alfredsson's desire to keep playing might be crushed by the current lockout.
Should any of them wind up in your beer league, try to remember that not all the Brothers are on board with the NHLPA's reluctance to sign the owner's latest offer. No matter what they say.
Some of them, in fact, are probably in quite a foul mood these days. As they should be.
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Derek Jeter knows the Angels aren't rolling over, despite the Yankees' three-games-to-one lead in the ALCS and a convincing 10-1 victory in Game 4.
"It wasn't a breather, man," Jeter, whose Yankees scored half their runs in their final two at-bats, told the Los Angeles Times. "It was a breather for what? An inning and a half? I mean it's 5-1 going into the eighth inning. A couple of guys [get] on, and the monkey comes out, and you never know what's going to happen.
"It wasn't a breather. The playoffs, man, anything can happen."
Rollins keeps the faith: Jimmy Rollins credited the power of positive thinking for his two-out, two-run, game-ending double in Monday night's 5-4 victory over the Dodgers.
"Just belief," Rollins told MLB.com. "We believe in ourselves. We believe in our ability. As long as you continue to believe in good things, I believe -- and I think we believe -- that good things will happen."
Sabathia just fine again on short rest: Pitching on three days' rest wasn't a problem for CC Sabathia.
"You know that going on certain rest that you're not going to have like your best fastball," Sabathia told the New York Daily News before his start on Tuesday. "So, you've just got to stay under control and make sure my delivery is good, and make sure I go out there and throw strikes."
Sabathia allowed only one run on five hits and two walks in eight innings. Sabathia, who struck out five, is now 2-0 in the ALCS with a 1.12 ERA and is 3-0 overall this postseason. He's 3-1 with a 1.01 ERA for his career when pitching with three days' rest.
Mientkiewicz has been in this spot before: The Dodgers now trail three games to one in the NLCS but two members of the club -- Manny Ramirez and Doug Mientkiewicz -- played on the Red Sox team that battled back from a 3-0 deficit to defeat the Yankees en route to the 2004 World Series title.
"We were too dumb to realize what we were up against," Mientkiewicz told the Los Angeles Times.
"It's not as monumental a task if you think of it as having to win three one-game series," Mientkiewicz said.
Martinez sees Phillies leading the chase: Pedro Martinez is scheduled to start Game 6 of the NLCS for the Phillies. Martinez, however, is hopeful that his team will clinch in Game 5.
"If we were a car, we would probably be in trouble with the law because this team really speeds up and never lets down," Martinez told the Los Angeles Times. "I think we're more of a NASCAR-type of team We actually feel like we're in the driver's seat -- the NASCAR driver's seat. I think we have a very good chance to actually win" the series on Wednesday.
Sabathia turns to changeup to thwart Angels: The Angels beat Sabathia twice during the regular season, but he went to his off-speed stuff more in his ALCS Game 4 win.
"He moved his fastball in and out, but he used his changeup more than usual," Angels center fielder Torii Hunter told the Los Angeles Times. "He kept our guys off-balance. ... You have a guy like that throwing 95 mph, you've got to be ready for his fastball.
"His changeup has really become a dynamic pitch," Angels manager Mike Scioscia said. "It's really improved, and we had trouble adjusting to it tonight."
Lidge not worried about deep holes: You can count Brad Lidge among those that never counts the Phillies out of any game -- no matter the score.
"A lot of teams say they play 27 outs, but I don't know if there is anybody that does it as well as we do," Lidge told MLB.com. "There isn't a ninth-inning deficit that we don't think we can overcome."
Greinke knows when to hold 'em: Players from all over Major League Baseball have their own ways of unwinding. For Zack Greinke, his current relaxation technique is to play cards and to do so in a non-competitive way.
"I feel like it's best when you don't get intense in cards and just stick to the plan and strategy and don't really mess with it, because when you do something that doesn't work or the odds aren't in your favor, you're going to lose more than you're going to win that way. So that's how I play," Greinke told MLB.com.
Freese plays himself into contention at third: With both Troy Glaus and Mark DeRosa ready to enter the world of free agency, the Cardinals may not need to look any further than their own organization and St. Louis native David Freese.
"We have to look at the make-up of our club and how everything comes together between now and next spring. But, given the second half that he had in Triple-A and how he played up here, it's my preference to give David a chance to win the job," general manager John Mozeliak told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
Bell warming up in Arizona: Orioles third base prospect Josh Bell had four hits, an RBI and three runs scored on Monday and was batting .533.
"There are a lot of good pitchers out here with good off-speed pitches. I'm trying to stay focused and look for the fastball," Bell told MLB.com.
Cotts plans to come back stronger from surgery: Neal Cotts, who underwent Tommy John surgery in July, is confident he will be back stronger than ever on the mound for the Cubs in 2010.
"There's so many success stories you've seen," he told MLB.com. "I've played with [Ryan Dempster] and [Kerry Wood], and they both had it, and obviously, their careers didn't end when they had it. I don't know if it's better or worse to have [the surgery], but you see so many stories of people who come back, and they're either recommitted and better, or they're stronger and it works out. I think you can rely on those stories more than anything."
Holland makes trek to Japan: In an effort to land Japanese pitcher Yusei Kikuchi, the Texas Rangers sent Derek Holland to Japan along with front office members Jim Colborn and A.J. Preller, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported.
"Just how he would fit perfectly with our Rangers staff," Holland said via text message when asked about his pitch to Kikuchi. "He's a good pitcher with good command and also is a competitor like the rest of the guys."
Holland said Kikuchi asked him about what life is like in the Major Leagues and what the competition is like.
"I feel confident about the visit," Holland said. "We made some solid ground, and he seemed interested and happy to have us in the room."
Webb plans to be back with D-backs: Brandon Webb, who is recovering from shoulder surgery performed in August, had a meeting with Arizona general manager Josh Byrnes concerning his future with the Diamondbacks and came away pleased.
"Basically, Josh said they had every intention of picking the option up barring something crazy happening," Webb told MLB.com. "They told me they would probably take it down to the end before officially doing it. I understand where they are coming from with that. Sure I'd like to know now, but it makes sense for them. It was a good meeting. I felt good about it, and I think they did too."
This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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2008 Scion xB - new design... love it or hate it?
cloned_2_death Posts: 22I feel the new xB is actually a fairly solid vehicle. The only problem is it is no longer an xB in spirit. Instead, it seems to have morphed into yet another competent-yet-vanilla, cynical, design-by-committee-for-fat-Americans vehicle. The quirky, lean, mean xB attitude was a casualty of this redesign. Toyota might as well have called it the xD, but no doubt wanted to leech off the goodwill built up by the original ("real") xB.
I see Toyota also jumped on the silly gun turret window/high beltline styling bandwagon with the xA's replacement, the xD. Despite this, the xD seems to be more in keeping with the design philosophy of the old xB.
For years, manufacturers have "dumbed down" their vehicles for the American market, typically selling vesions of their vehicles that have poorer handling, softer ride, more options and are bigger than the versions sold in Europe and Japan. (Examples include the VW Golf, Honda Accord and Ford Focus, which often seem like completely different vehicles compared to the versions sold to "Fat Americans". Car companies seem to believe Americans only want bigger, plush-riding, numb-steering vehicles.) The 2008 xB continues that patronizing attitude: Fatten it up, try to overcome the weight with a bigger engine, jump on the latest styling fads and then try to market it as "cool" or "hip". I'm not biting. The 2008 "xB" may be a good vehicle, but it sure as he11 isn't a real xB.
Fisrt Honda butchers the CRV and now Scion butchers the xB. Great. All I need now is for Honda to kill off the S2000 this Fall and the year will "perfect".
If I was in the market for a practical vehicle now that the new xB has had its base price jacked up by $1,600 this year, I would look at the Honda Fit (hate the geeky styling + lack of a dead pedal), Honda Element (hate the geeky styling) and Scion xA (amazing price for what you get) instead of the xB and would probably go with a manual transmission base Fit.
Karen_S Posts: 5,095A reporter would like to get consumer feedback on the redesigned Scion xB. You do not have to be an owner to respond. Please respond to firstname.lastname@example.com no later than June 1, 2007 with your daytime contact information.
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bpraxis Posts: 292Hello everyone and some of you have stong opinions regarding the new design. Let me say that I think the design is a massive improvement over the prior Xb. The Xb still has the box shape with more functionality, comfort, performance, and a broader market appeal.
You know at one time not to long ago all inexpensive economy cars were non descript and unattractive. In the last ten years the masses can now afford a fun design such as the VW Bug, Mini Cooper, PT Cruiser, Chev. HHR, Scions, Element, and others. At one time only the weathly could afford a distictive design.
Weather you hate or love these designs, it is amazing how much design character you get for your money these days. I really like the new Xb and cant wait to test drive it.
For the clone poster the PT Cruiser has been a massive success for Chrysler and still sells well after 7 years.
Our previous 2005 xB was a base model with Automatic as the only option. We took delivery of a 2008 xB yesterday, and the only thing I really do not like is the single low mounted back-up light. Being in the Chicago area, the light in the daytime, is ignored by most parking lot space-racers. I am looking forward to an aftermarket set of tail light assemblies containing back-up lights for better notice to oncoming drivers.
We now have 840 miles on our new 5 speed 08 XB. Combined driving on interstate(75-80 mph), secondary hwy(55-60 mph) and city light traffic, the XB is giving a steady 29.1 mpg. Both trip computer and fuel used return this mpg figure. Tire pressure used is 35 psi cold. Our silver 05 XB 5 speed has been offered for 7 days at $12,850. with no takers. It is mint and yet we notice that they are offering the same model 05 XBs in California at 15 to $18k. Perhaps someone would like to come to Florida to visit Disney and save some money on our 05 XB.
bearcrkrd Posts: 167I haven't driven the '08 or the previous gen either, but have checked them out and sat in them a few times.
I am pretty excited with the changes on the new one. But, something popped into my head and won't go away...
I remembered two things I thought were outstanding, even fantastic, in the original xB, and seem to have been lost; the comfortable front seats and the view looking out from inside the car. Seats as comfortable as a $35,000 car, and a 360 view as good, or better, than an interstate bus.
A coworker just purchased an '06 Automatic, low miles, with fancy wheels, lowered one inch, and also a few of the options people ordered, for $15,000. She loves it, and did check out the '08 first. I recommended the '08, but her boyfriend has a first gen, and checked out the new one real good. Now they got a matching set! Both of them disliked the 2008. Just a story, not trying to make any point, I guess.
The new engine, bigger & better brakes, wider stance, longer wheelbase, and a slightly chopped look make the new one my favorite. Again, haven't driven either, or been in either when they were under power.
vu2000 Posts: 58I test drove a base 08 Xb auto today. The car drove great and has good power. The AC actually cooled the car down(the 06 I test drove over a year ago was pathetic, no power and the AC was poor). The price is decent considering all the standard equipment that was not on the 06(side and curtain airbags, cruise, and traction control). I thought the car look decent and has lots of room inside. For those of you who does not like the way this car looks, don't buy it or buy an 07 Xb. I think this car is a good value with good gas mileage compare to most SUV, including car based SUV.
babbajo Posts: 1I bought the 2008 XB and I love everything about it. I traded in a 2006 Scion TC to get it. I loved the tc but needed more room, and the XB has given it to me.I am 62 years old and on my TC I put a big dragon on each side of my car. It was a silver car and I put a black dragon on it. I also added red pin striping to the dragon. Everyone in my town loved my car from 8 to 80 years old.
Hi!! Glad to see it is not only 20-somethings buying the great xB's! I'm 57 and as I said in an earlier post, I had a 2005 white xB we used to call our "little white milk truck" because it reminded us of the old '50s home delivery trucks. We got our white 2008 xB automatic last week and enjoy every drive in it. I'm in the Chicago area, and it would be fun to see (nearest major city) where the posts are from.
aatherton Posts: 617"... For those of you who does not like the way this car looks, don't buy it or buy an 07 Xb.
I did not buy my xB1 for its looks, and would not buy the xB2 for its looks. I buy for function, utility, and and how it fits my body. I like a high car that is easy to enter and has lots of headroom. A car with tall windows to see out of all around, with a low belt line so I can rest my arm on the window sill.
Scion could have kept us all in the fold, if only they had made incremental improvements to the xB1, like the normal progression of a model. But the xB2 is a new design that does not do what I want. While I don't mind the extra size and power and cost, I don't like the chopping of the headroom, the raising of the belt line, the resulting slit windows, and no place to rest the left arm. Scion has introduced styling to the xB, but with loss of those things that mattered to me.
girlbuffalo1 Posts: 16babbajo- I'm in Lafayette Indiana--not too far from you. I can't wait till I see someone else in town the a new XB--Mine will be 3 weeks old tomorrow already! The dealer only got two in mine (black) and a silver one which already had a sold tag on it but then my sales person said someone might be backing out ect--so I don't know if the silver is still there or not. I'm so very happy with this UUB (urban utility vehicle)
johndintexas Posts: 18I'm thinking of buying the new 2008 XB. My wife and I were actually shopping for a Vibe/Matrix, but it's impossible to find one of those with optional ABS and side curtain airbags. So the salesman at the Toyota dealership asked us if we'd like to look at the new Scion XB because those come standard. At first we thought, "a Scion, no way." But once we got passed the silly marketing campaign and weird looks (we don't love the way it looks, but don't mind it, either) we test drove it and liked the ride, and really like all the standard safety features.
The salesman, though, and no other salesman at any other Scion dealership have been able to answer my question about the safety build of the new 2008 XB. I know it has side air bags, but does anybody know about how it's designed with side crumple zones, etc. I can't find any of this info on the Scion website or any other website. The 2006 XB rated poor in side impact crash tests. The new 2008 is heavier and also now has side air bags, but sometimes side air bags don't actually improve the crash test results in small, economy cars. So I'm wanting to know how the structural integrity has changed or been improved, or maybe if it hasn't and so that's why I can't find out this info.
I would very much like to wait on buying one until after side crash test results have been released (only the front one has been done so far) but I'm in a situation where we have to buy a new car within the month, and aside from that, I'm leaning toward the Scion, but I really don't see a point in spending thousands of dollars on a car that might rate poor.
Any thoughts or info would be great on this subject. Thanks!
bigfieroman Posts: 12Unfortunately, there is no such thing as "side crumple zones". It is just the door, the impact beam/B pillar, and the airbags. The 2008 xB has side airbags (protects your body) and head curtain airbags (keeps your head from bouncing off of hard things).
There is no real way to tell how well it will take a side impact until the test is performed. The doors are heavier than the last generation, which is a good sign, but your question cannot be answered until the test is performed. I would venture a guess that it will do considerably better.
Hi! If you find the crash test results or other interesting info please post a link to it. Before I bought my 2008 xB, I spent time on www.scion.com using the build your xB. It shows the car in zoom and you can open the hood, doors, and tailgate to see inside. Notable items: Power brake vacuum assist chamber and master cylinder is on the Passenger side actuated by a cross-rod, and the Power steering is Electric Motor assisted, not driven by belt drive from the engine as the norm. Also, on my 2005 xB the standard Pioneer radio display could be changed to display any message you want upon power-up (didn't try the 2008 yet).
w9cw Posts: 888Re. the display message on the radio during power up . . . yes, this can be done on the 2008 as well.
The only serious problem with our 08 XB has been the Bridgestone EL400-02 tires. At 1300 miles we had a sidewall failure, a perfectly straight separation from the edge of the tread to the rim. We did nothing to cause this failure and Bridgestone refused to replace this tire which we strongly believe is a manufacturing defect. Reviews from most customers of Tire Rack owning this tire reviewed it to be poor in wear and driveability. If others buy a new 08 XB my advice is to make a serious attempt to immediately trade these tires out for a better tire such as the serenity, but it seems to me that customer service with Bridgestone is nonexistant. They did not answer my emails and I could not find listed anywhere an 800 number such as the other tire manufacturers list.
toronado455 Posts: 83Yeah the Bridgestones are dogs. But on the west coast the 2008 xB has Goodyear tires.
slrman Posts: 2I Really Like Both Designes, How The New One Is More Wavy And Old One Is Boxy. Overall I Love The Scion xB!!! :P
With assistance of Scion and Bridgestone Corporate customer service overriding the local mgr., the tires were replaced with the Bridgestone Serenity which are much better. I hope this will help other Scion XB owners with the Bridgestone EL400-02 tires. I would strongly recomend if you have this tire immediately change it out for a better safer tire.
Place small close-up mirror on outer edge of both L/R rear view mirrors. Adjust until blind spot is gone.
Bridgestone and Firestone owed by same company. :confuse:
I'll stick with the Goodyears that's what's on my 2008 xB. Great ride and no worries.
kristin11 Posts: 1I currently drive a mini cooper, manual transmission, and i love it but my lease is up in October and my needs have changed..I have kids that are larger, so I need a bigger vehicle but my sense of quirky style hasn't changed and I have absolutely decided upon a Scion Xb...but! to buy the newer 2008 or the older style 2006 is my dilemma. i am not a crazt fast driver (I have kids) but I do enjoy the control of a manual transmission...and I am mostly a city driver but again, the manual transmission thing is stimulating and keeps me super alert. iI think i love the boxier but smaller style of the 2006 but there is something about having an even more modern vehicle....I may be answering my own question here but if anyone has any advise knowing what I drive now to what what is a good transformation....?
texases Posts: 7,911If you're carrying kids, I'd definitely go with the '08, it's a much sturdier, safer vehicle. That's one reason it's bigger, to the dismay of the '06 lovers. The older version is light because it's an old design, with much poorer performance in side impact crashes (3/4 stars front/rear, compared to 5/5 stars for the new model).
If you want better handling, there are Scion parts (I'd go for the springs, shocks, front tower bar and anti-roll bars) but not the larger wheels, there are good tires you can put on the 16" rims.
I noticed that the xB has only one reverse light on the left side of the rear bumper: http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/0/I/u/ag_08xb_leftrear.jpg . I wonder why they did that. Do any xB owners find that there is less or asymmetric light when reversing in the dark? Is it a potential safety issue?
My husbands coworker just got the 2008 xb.
I took it for a test drive and I found no safety issue with reversing and the lighting was just fine in the dark.
I personaly feel more comfortable in my mazda.
But I didn't feel that the lighting brought up any safety issues.
Thanks. What was your opinion of the car overall from the test drive?
My overall feel in the car was great..It handled great and the blind spots were almost non existent compared to my mazda....But call me shallow I just don't like the way the car looks....its niether retro nor modern :shades:
Anything in the rumour mill about design changes coming in the 2011 model year? I know the 1st gen had a short run, not sure how long the second gen will go for and being with the new Soul and upcoming Cube the market isn't so exclusive anymore and the people love to see the newer designs. I noticed the discussions on the XB boards have lost a lot of momentum as of late. Lot of consumer reviews of the Soul going on now the car is hot, will likely see a similiar perk of activity with the cube......
flawlessly Posts: 5The 1st gen. was out in 2003/4, the 2nd gen. was out in 2008, I don't think the 3rd gen. will out for another 2 or 3 years, if they really do change to 3rd gen. in just 2 or 3 years, people will think that Scion isn't a good bit due to too often changing styles, buyers also will put on hold buying Scion entirely, who knows the car will be outdated tomorrow or not.


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Let's take a look at some men that went ahead and left that a$$ for a white girl.
Rohan Marley – Lauryn was doing dirt, so Rohan went and found himself an international Becky to drown his sorrows in.
Kanye West – This is kind of cheating, but he left a racially ambiguous girl for a white girl. Even though he didn't officially get with Kim until recently, he stepped out with her for sure.
Diddy – Yeah he went back to Cassie but Diddy left that a$$ for a little bit to get on that swirly action.
Michael Jordan – Soon as he and Juanita split he was riding around with this little Cuban jawn like everything was sweet.
Kobe Bryant – He definitely cheated on Vanessa with a Colorado Becky. And while he may not have left her this time, it damn sure went a long way to ending the whole thing.


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Those who don't race can still come to the event and write a message for the King family, plant flowers of their own and make donations. Proceeds will go toward the Chelsea's Light Foundation to help stop crimes against children.
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QBE cuts dividend as profit stumbles
QBE Insurance has posted a lower-than-expected 8 per cent rise in full-year net profit due to high claims for accidents and adverse US weather, prompting it to slash its dividend and sending its shares tumbling.
Shares fell as much as 7.5 per cent to a three-week low and last traded down 6 per cent at $12.25. The stock rose 13 per cent in the past year, compared with an 18 per cent rise in the benchmark S&P/ASX 200 index.
QBE has been grappling with hefty claims for the past two years, with a severe US drought and Superstorm Sandy, which pounded the US East Coast last November, weighing on earnings in the year to December 31.
The company, which has completed more than 75 acquisitions in the past 10 years, reported an annual net profit of $US761 million, compared with $US704 million a year earlier and its forecast for a net profit of more than $US820 million.
Australia's largest insurer by premium income said its annual cash profit was $US1.04 billion and its insurance profit margin was 8 per cent, in line with guidance in November.
QBE's final dividend for 2012 was 10 Australian cents per share, compared to 25 cents in 2011.
Hundreds of millions in savings
It also announced it would rationalise the business to save $US250 million ($244 million) each year by the end of 2015.
Chief executive John Neal gave no detail on how the huge savings would be achieved.
''I will provide more detail of our new strategic direction, the progress of the operational transformation program and our targeted cost savings as we progress through 2013,'' he said.
BusinessDay understands as many as 700 Australian jobs could be on the line as the company moves to reduce its global operating costs over three years. Around 4,300 people are employed in its Australian division.
QBE said the program would "achieve economies of scope and scale through the creation of dedicated centres of excellence".
"QBE has been a hugely successful organisation over the last 15 years but, as the world changes, we need to evolve to continue to meet or exceed the expectations of our key stakeholders," Mr Neal said.
The company said premiums would rise by 5 per cent on average in Australia, North America and New Zealand in 2013 to reflect "recent heightened catastrophe experiences".
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QBE's long-serving chief financial officer, Neil Drabsch, has announced he will retire from the company as part of a management reshuffle at the insurer.
Mr Drabsch, who has been CFO for the past 18 years, worked closely alongside former chief executive Frank O'Halloran in transforming the company from a mid-tier player to a global insurer through more than 100 acquisitions around the world.
The company today said he would retire from the position next February, to be replaced by Steven Burns, who is now in charge of QBE's European operations.
The president of QBE's North American operations, John Rumpler, will also leave the company to ''pursue other interests.''
The latest departures come after Mr O'Halloran last year stepped down as chief executive after 14 years in the top job.
QBE's chief executive, John Neal, said: ''Neil's contribution to QBE's growth and development over the last 21 years is nothing short of extraordinary. Indeed, the group's stellar track record of profitable growth over a long period was regularly attributed to the close knit partnership between Neil and my predecessor Frank O'Halloran.''
The management changes come as QBE seeks to put less of an emphasis on acquisitions, focusing on lifting productivity across the group, including moves to cut costs by sending jobs overseas.
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