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Kia Spectra/Spectra5 Transmission Questions
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If anyone with a 2004.5/2005 Spectra experiences any shifting issues
with their transmission (esp, from 2nd to 3rd under heavy throttle) there
appears to be a known problem with the transmission's computer/brain.
It has been reported on another KIA Spectra forum that KIA has replaced
the transmission logic module on some poster's cars.
It appears that this problem is fairly rare, but it has been reported
by more than just one person. One person's experience was for the dealer
to reset the transmission's program by unhooking the battery, and then
having the owner run through a slow/medium/fast driving regimen This
helped the person for a short time, but then the problem reoccured. KIA
replaced the transmission's computer and the poster reported that their
car acts completely different... for the better!
My 2004.5 car's AT appears completely fine, so it must be an isolated
issue OR a problem that began after a later programming tweak in later
2005 production (perhaps after some programming adjustments to help
improve the Spectra's gas mileage???)
The 2006 model supposedly is getting a whole new transmission design,
so time will tell how well it works out.
So, if any of you experience any problems with your AT be sure to tell
your dealership that KIA's aware of the problem. There may even be a
TSB for this in KIA's warranty/repair computer system.
If anyone with a 2004.5/2005 Spectra experiences any shifting issues
with their transmission (esp, from 2nd to 3rd under heavy throttle) there
appears to be a known problem with the transmission's computer/brain.
It has been reported on another KIA Spectra forum that KIA has replaced
the transmission logic module on some poster's cars.
It appears that this problem is fairly rare, but it has been reported
by more than just one person. One person's experience was for the dealer
to reset the transmission's program by unhooking the battery, and then
having the owner run through a slow/medium/fast driving regimen This
helped the person for a short time, but then the problem reoccured. KIA
replaced the transmission's computer and the poster reported that their
car acts completely different... for the better!
My 2004.5 car's AT appears completely fine, so it must be an isolated
issue OR a problem that began after a later programming tweak in later
2005 production (perhaps after some programming adjustments to help
improve the Spectra's gas mileage???)
The 2006 model supposedly is getting a whole new transmission design,
so time will tell how well it works out.
So, if any of you experience any problems with your AT be sure to tell
your dealership that KIA's aware of the problem. There may even be a
TSB for this in KIA's warranty/repair computer system.
po4u Posts: 1I have similar problem while press throttle hard,
I seems that car is locked. I need to release throttle and then press gentlely.
I was shocked to see your posting about the problem I have been having with my 2004.5 automatic transmission. It's exactly as you describe except it has happened once going from third to fourth gear as I was trying to merge onto an interstate. When I figured out that I would have to wait on another vehicle and reduced the throttle (just before it was going to up-shift) the RPM surged then reduced. It shocked me at the time and the more I think about it, if the roads would have been slick I could have had trouble maintaining control. I took the car to a dealer and they test drove it around the block and could not duplicate the problem. The mechanic told me that I was the second person in a week to come in with the same complaint. He told me that Kia is aware of the issue but they are trying to create a fix and figure out how many cars are effected before they distribute a TSB. When asked if they could re-program the tranmission logic or replace the module he said that they were not allowed to do anything prior to Kia identifying what was going on. I can understand this but created a complaint via Kia's website on the issue just in case this somehow falls through the cracks.
I would have to say that, aside from this issue, the car is absolutely fantastic. I have had no other issues and I have 19,000 miles on it.
backy Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910Well, your dealer would have no way to re-program the transmission unless Kia provides them with the new program. At least the dealer admits there is a problem and that Kia is working on it.
I've experienced some "gear hunting" (As Car and Driver calls it when they review cars) between 3rd and 4th under full-throttle... esp. if I'm starting to leave up a bit on the gas because I'm coming up on some unexpected slower traffic. The car sort of surges or bucks between the gears for a split second, and ONLY under heavy accleration. After a couple of "hunts" or switch backs, 4th gear then engages and you keep going. This doesn't happen every time either, FYI.
But I've never had it act so weird that it freaked me out or made me think that something was truly amiss.
Was this the first time your car did what you described? Did you have any of the "gear hunting" symptoms earlier?
Can you describe in a bit more detail exactly what happened? When the RPM surged on you, was it still in 3rd? Did the surge cause you to acclerate even though you had lifted your foot off of the throttle?
My car has 18k miles on it, so it's in the same mileage neighborhood as yours. That's why I'm curious as to whether this is a recent phenomenon in your car or not.
Can you experiment and see if you can recreate it, and report back here? Yours is the first 2004.5 that I've read is having the problem.
I noticed something completely different with the transmission when I first purchased the car. If I did a rolling type stop (yes, I'm guilty) or had to yield and almost came to a stop, the transmission would not down shift and it would sluggishly accelerate unless I really stomped on the gas. I just sort of accepted it as "the way the transmission was designed" and I now anticipate it so it's not that big of a deal. The other problem that I posted has also been going on since the very early days of ownership. I kind of blew it off because it was so intermittent. It's been happening much more frequently now--and it's more exaggerated than it used to be. That's why I was concerned enough to post it. If your transmission has not been doing this by now I would say that you are safe.
By the way, the surge comes right before it shifts from second to third. Sometimes, if I have to let up on the gas right before it shifts, there will be an uncommanded surge in RPM as it prepares to shift then "relaxes."
I'm sure that some of what I've described is typical of any automatic transmission (to a certain degree anyway) but this is beyond anything I have ever experience.
I know what you mean about the Spectra not downshifting all the way back down to 1st when doing rolling (or complete but brief) stops. It really makes the Spectra seem doggy.
But... use the manual shift method of pulling the gearshift down to 1 and then shift through the gears manually, and the car scoots right along.
I suspect that KIA doesn't want the car to always shift down to 1st for some particular reason. Perhaps fuel mileage, emissions, etc.? The Sentra rental I'm driving right now seems to always be in 1st when I stop and take off again. I'm driving the same route, so it's easy to compare the two cars performance-wise.
I will say this... the Spectra 2.0 in my car is a much quieter and smoother running engine than the 1.8 in the Sentra. The Sentra has a timing chain instead of a belt, so that adds a bit to the noise factor.
avantime Posts: 2Thank you for your post. I have also had this 3-4 gear erratic up- and down-shift with RPM surge happen to me often with my 2005 EX automatic. Mine happens mostly under the conditions as you said, going from congested roads on to the highway. I am not a "lead-foot" driver either. I had a similar problem with a VW Eurovan except the opposite where it would act-up on local roads after driving on the highway--brought it back so many times to various VW dealers only to have them tell me they couldn't duplicate it, so therefore it was in my head.
My Kia transmission also does not like to down-shift when ascending hills, worry to press the gas to get it to downshift. Other than a bad O2 sensor, I have not had any other problems. I really like this car!
If you think the issue is worth reporting visit the Kia website and submit a complaint. I believe you can also just call them directly at 1-800-333-4542 and select option number 3 to speak to a representative. They need to get feedback on this issue and they don't always get it from service departments.
stuc1964 Posts: 3I also have the shifting problem,when letting up on the throttle,then when i start to give it the gas again,i get like a false neutral(revs up)then engages harshly.
I was thinking of taking it to the dealer,but wasn't sure if it was a warranty item,being that i'am the second owner of the car. mine is a 2004.5 with 9000 miles.
I'm starting to see a pattern here. If you take it to the dealer and they don't experience the problem during a test drive they will do nothing. Post the problem with Kia. Whether you're the first or fifth owner of the car, the warranty should still apply. The more people who report the issue directly with Kia the greater chance we have of them actually doing something about it...in theory anyway.
geo Posts: 23Look at KT2006031404 Kia message from "Technition Times" entitled "resetting transaxle adaptive values". For problems listed as:
TR4000 - impossible shift
TR5000 - shift delay
TR6000 - shift shock
TR7000 - abnormal shift
TR8000 - slip when shifting
TRN001 - Noise
TRN002 - Vibration
TRN003 - Others
There was another reflash listed as a tsb but was for a light on with no real fault.
To see tsbs and info go to kia.com and then to Kia Owners and then to to Service Information. You need an email and password. I established these back when owned 2003 Rio. If you cannot get in write to me. George.
Thanks a bunch. I checked out the site and signed up so I could view what you described. I'm just glad to see that a TSB is potentially on the way for this issue.
I had a 2006 Kia Spectra with an automatic transmission. Anytime the temperature was below freezing, the transmission would race for several seconds when changing between 2nd and 3rd gears. AT 1,400 MILES THE TRANSMISSION HAD TO BE REPLACED! I was extremely disappointed as I had not even made the first payment on the car! Both Kia and the dealer would not replace the vehicle (my thought was that if the transmission was already having to be replaced on a brand new car, then what the heck else is going to go wrong?!!). The dealer and Kia were absolutely useless.
The steering was also making a loud clunking noise when turning the steering wheel. They replaced some part for this. When the dealer called and told me the transmisson had been replaced but the steering was still making the clunking noise and what did I want him to do I TOLD HIM TO PUT THE CAR BACK TOGETHER SO I COULD TAKE AND TRADE IT IN! Upon getting my Kia back, I drove immediately to the Mazda dealer and traded the Kia in for a Mazda3. NO MORE KIA's FOR ME.
darcijj Posts: 1A couple weeks back my check engine light came on and I took it to my mechanic right away.. he said it was just a vapor sensor... but they noticed my transmission was slipping when they put it in reverse... it was almost out of transmission fluid.. (I had a full service oil change the week before, so I guess they never checked the transmission fluid). No warning lights on the kia for transmission?
The mechanic could not find a leak.. and said to keep watch on it.. well I looked at the engine did not see the ATF dipstick.. where is it located on the Kia sedan? I have a 2002.. It seems to still be hesitating when I put it in reverse.. its only been 2 weeks since they filled it and with no leak how can it be low again.. should I be worried? :confuse:
kwinn Posts: 11My 05 Kia spectra has the notorious hunting for gear problem. According to Atlantic Kia of Long Island, NY. They know of no one else with such problem. Of course Atlantic kia told me to buy their 225 dollar maintanence for my 18k spectra as it includes a tune up and fuel and air filter replacement and it is needed. When i told them owners manual says no tune up needed for 60k they said thats not true you should get tune ups every 15k. What a bunch of liers. Anyways mileage on my spectra is 28 on the highway and 24 city driving. Which really sucks. I guess hyundai is not bothered with such problems for their kia brands as they are moving up mainstream.
Hi, I am new to this board but was hoping someone may be able to help. I bought my spectra new and have had taken it back to the dealership since week one...feels like the transmission is slipping..sometimes doesnt even want to go into the next gear....always told that it was my imagination that kia's are suppose to do that. Check engine light has been reset by tech. numerous times but he says it is never about the trans. ...they had to work on the air this week and now when I pull out it sometimes has no power at all unless I drop it manually down to a lower gear....ever since purchasing it will sometimes sound like the car is not in gear..the rpm will race but the car won't go....happened on the interstate ..had to pull of the road turn off the engine and restart. Dealership in Anniston Alabama swears that not one other customer in history has ever had these problems! Please help if you or anyone you know has....and the remedy. ...thanks Cyndi
Kia dealers are a bunch of liars. I had this same problem with my transmission in my 2006 Kia Spectra. After numerous trips to the dealer, and working with Kia Corporate, they finally replaced the transmission. I turned around and traded it in the same day I picked it up from having the transmission replaced. I will never own another Kia/Hyundai product.
festerwi Posts: 1I have a fix for most 2003+ spectra transmission problems. Gear hunting and having your transmission seem to stick in gear until you stop or shift to park and then back to drive. You will need a late model TCM (transmission control module) they updated the firm ware in mid 2003 and early 2004 to one that is broken. If your dealer orders a replacement one they will have to return it and get one for the early 2003 spectra's. They may have this fixed buy now but my dealer had to do this. Order a TCM for an early 2003 spectra. This is why a whole new transmission fixes the problem since they come with a new TCM. Hope this helps someone.
I wrote awhile back about all the problems I have had with my 2004 spectra transmission and that the dealer could not duplicate the problem. Had the problem since day one. I finally had to get the corporate division involed. now they suddenly find that the TCM is bad. They kept the car a week and when I got it back it runs even worse than before. Does anyone know if you replace this and not the transmission after 60,000 miles ( yeah it took them this long to find the problem) if it would have damaged the transmission. Please let me know what you think.
Also just for information sake...always get a service order on your car even if the tech. just drives it or fixes the problem without making you wait. Mine did not have any record of my being in the shop until 35k miles eventhough it had been there and I had them drive it dozens of times in the first 6 months of ownership and I bought it new. Was told each time that this was just the way a Kia drives and changes out. So Beware. :lemon: This was a crown kia in anniston alabama.
bsr1pres Posts: 1can i swap out out a AT to a MT and how much would i cost??
mykiaspectra Posts: 1Hey --
I have a 2002 Kia Spectra , automatic trans. I had it in for service (77K miles) and had them change the transmission fluid. Now the check engine light is coming on ? They reset it but it has come on again. I dont know how much experience they have had with Kia's ? Is there anything in particular that could have triggered this ?
Is it a recall on transmission for Kia Spectra 2002
I have a Kia Spectra--My engine light comes on all the time and then comes off---the suto zone machine stated that it was my coolant. My car would shack at 15 miles per hour then at 20 or 30 it would pull. It just started this past week. I had then gave it a oil change. There was transmisison fluid. The car stopped that same day. It turns on... but goes no where when I push the pedal. I am a second owner. I did not find this blog till today. If I had known I wouldnt went with another option.
glenn_60 Posts: 1I have a 2000 Kia Spectra that started getting hard to move the shift lever from gear to gear. Also with that (if memory serves right) the engine light was coming on. Finally, I went out to drive it one day and the shift selector would not come out of park. I figured that the trans had given out as it has 94,000 miles. Just the other day, a friend mentioned that some kind of cable could be busted causing this problem. I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced this and what would be the cheapest way to fix it.
voriolo Posts: 1I have a four day old 2008 Spectra 5 SX and it has spend more time at the dealership that i've actually driven it. I was reading a few of the post and was wondering if there is a know issue with power loss. From a cold start all power equipment, including windows, air, radio, etc doesn't work, the car runs great but nothing "power works". I took it to the dealer, they had the car in the shop for 10 mins. ran a test, came up clean, changed a fuse. fixed the hach lock that fell inside the door and gave me my car back. Two days later same thing, yet this time the radio worked, but the windows got stuck in the down postition. no defrost, no wipers??? When i pulled the car over after about ten minutes, shut it off, turn it back on... the windows worked... it wasn't until i restarted it for the second time, that everything was working. The car has been at the dealer for two days and i'm waiting for word from the dealer.
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i have a 2002 kia spectra, i was driving when it just stopped going forward, it starts fine but when i put it in reverse or drive it doesn't do anything. I was told it was the chain linkage, torque convertor and possibly the transmission, can't get a straight answer from anyone. need help with this problem please
cthomas5 Posts: 1my son's car would not shift properly. Then the 2003 with less than 60,000 miles would not shift at all. We parked it and he drove my car as we didn't have the money to fix it at the time. Now it won't even start. The battery works but it won't start. I'm thinking even though it says it is in park it may not be thus it won't start. Anyone else have this problem?
i took my car to a garage and had it hooked up to diagnostic testing, was told it was a pump in the transmission that quit working, called different garages and was quoted 1500 to 3000 to fix it, needless to say car is still sitting in my yard.
eimigirl Posts: 1i started having problems with my car, hesitating going from park/reverse into drive. This caused me to go have my transmission fluid changed (it was pretty bad, apparently hadn't been done by the previous owner). the problem stopped temporarily, then it started again and got worse...was driving 55 down the road and the engine revved up to 5000 rpms for no reason. also, i notice that my car (since i've had it) does not shift when going uphill. i live in the mountains and this is a very big problem since the car doesn't seem to be able to make it up the hill very well.
I am suspicious of the place that did my transmission fluid change, thinking they maybe used the wrong kind? anyone else have this happen before? what can i do? i think there are now several problems and most due to the wrong fluid being put in. is there a way to test the fluid to make sure it is the right kind for the vehicle? :confuse: :sick:


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Discussion in 'Gaming' started by charlhussey, Apr 29, 2010.
After clearing out a big part of my hard drive for it, I've been playing GTAV.
I might actually try that now. Brutal Legend's gameplay just isn't doing it for me. :/
Animal Crossing: New Leaf (3DS)
Pikmin 3 (Wii U)
New Super Luigi U (Wii U)
I gave up on it when I hit the RTS section which is not my thing. What really left a bad taste was that they did not emphasize this at all in the previews and the like. I was looking for a heavy metal hack-and-slash and I thought that what I had been sold. I might try it again sometime but it's hard enough to find time for the games I haven't played to backtrack to something I had a bad experience with.
I don't have a problem with RTS as I used play them quite often. Dawn of War, Homeworld, C&C, even Dune 2 back in the day. My problem here is that it's trying to be the Swiss army knife of gameplay; A third-person open-world hack'n'slash roleplaying RTS racing game. As the old figure of speech goes "jack of all trades, master of none."
I mean it's one hell of a warning sign when Ozzey of all people is the one giving exposition. This is not a man one usually equates with coherent explanations.
Sadly, I'm also not really digging 'Mirror's Edge' either. Maybe I just don't have the knack but it seems to take a lot of trail and error to get around without becoming street pizza and I'm just not having a lot of fun in the process.
Currently i'm playing Remember Me.
Very cool combat/combo system, a cool futuristic world and some good concepts but overall the game is far too linear to get really interesting.. you just basically move/jump/climb around the only route possible and from time to time beat up goons until you get to the scene end boss.
Guess i've been spoiled by open world games which just offer far more freedom and flexibility.
Going back to GTA: San Andreas for now.
Which reminds me of this:
I am halfway through my Assassin's Creed 3 replay. Having now played them all back to back (except for 1) I can say that I prefer 3's combat, control and upgrade system. I hope not much has been changed for number 4.
It's been a while since I played it. I do recall it had a bit of a learning curve.
The one bit of advice I would give is, don't try to fight very much. If you're taking on more than one guy, running works better most of the time.
Haven't played anything since I finished "The Last of Us." I'm debating a replay of the Arkham games before "Arkham Origins" comes out.
Just finished AC Revelations, so I think it'll be LA Noire next
Demon's Souls. I bought my PS3 almost entirely for this game and its sequel, Dark Souls. I am not disappointed.
I finally got back to Kingdom of Loathing recently. Would anyone be interested in joining the TBBS clan over there? It's free, and we have booze. We could use more members.
I'm quite slowly progressing through GTA5... for some reason I'm just not loving the game. I had way more fun playing Saints Row IV.
And I'm waiting for Beyond: Two Souls to be released.
I departed the TBBS clan last year but occasionally visit the place as I'm still whitelisted. I don't know how long you'd been away but there have been many changes in the game including a new permanent clan dungeon for very high level players. Also, right now each class is in the process of being revamped with new skills (now two to learn per level) starting with the SC's last month.
Do you know if they've revamped Saucerors yet? I'm slowly catching up.
Not yet - only Seal Clubbers have had the revamp so far. It's involved consolidation of old redundant skills, the return of one old skill (lunge smack) and introducing many new ones including a Fury ability that is unique to that class, and some low powered newbie friendly skills. The general trend is to have more class exclusive abilities. The rest will probably follow one by one over the next few months.
Oh, and The Sea is finally complete! Well, I think it is - I'm still somewhat in denial about the rather terrifying ending...
From what i've heard it is an amazing cinematic game but the game aspect is quite rudimentary, i.e. there is not much to really "game" in this product.
I don't know i want to pay 60+ bucks for a movie where i can at times decide what scene will be played next. Might be fun for a while to try out different outcomes but overall i don't really like games that limit me like that (same problem i have currently with Remember Me.. the world looks so cool to explore but there is really only one way you can walk to get ahead in the game, you can't deviate at all).
^ I enjoyed Remember Me... yeah there's plenty of room for improvement, but I still had fun playing it.
As for B:2S... I liked the demo and I liked Heavy Rain (plus all the other Quantim Dream games) so I'm getting it right away. The European release is on Friday which is when I should get my copy.
Just did the diablo 3 hardcore mode achievement, that was nerve racking. lol
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It's a long way to the top if you wanna rock 'n' roll. And for proof, you need to look no further than the strange, sometimes dirty and usually empty venues where future rock legends such as AC/DC, Guns N' Roses and Def Leppard played their first concerts. Here's a look back at the long car rides, tiny stages and embarrassing situations ten of the world's most popular acts found themselves in on their way to rock 'n' roll stardom — the Hilariously Bad First Concerts of Rock's Biggest Bands.
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It wasn't the venue that made Motley Crue's first concert so dangerous — it was the crowd. Well, that and Vince Neil's temper. As he remembers in the band's autobiography 'The Dirt,' the group didn't even make it through their first song without trouble. "People were yelling 'f— you!' and flipping us the bird. Then one meathead, in a black AC/DC shirt, hocked a loogey that landed on my white leather pants. Without even thinking, I leapt off the stage midphrase, put him in a headlock and started pummeling him. I looked back, and Nikki [Sixx] had his [bass] over his head … and cracked it over some guy's shoulder blade. If there was a bell on the guy's head, it would have gone through the roof."
Guns N' Roses
On June 6, 1985, Axl Rose, Slash, Izzy Stradlin, Duff McKagan and Steven Adler performed for the first time as Guns N' Roses, at the Troubadour in their hometown of Los Angeles. Immediately afterward, they embarked on an extremely ill-fated West Coast tour. Here's how bad it got: Their car broke down in Fresno, so they hitchhiked for 40 hours — only to find out they'd be getting one-fifth of their promised paycheck for that show. Oh, and that the rest of the tour was canceled. But as bassist Duff McKagan explained in his autobiography, the incident galvanized the group: "Guns N' Roses were no longer a band, but the band — our band. These are my f——ng boys, they're willing to fight through anything."
Def Leppard
Besides earning one-fifth of a massive five pound payday from the local school where they played, former Def Leppard guitarist Steve Clark (R.I.P.) learned an important lesson about the value of a proper soundcheck during the group's first-ever concert. After forgetting to take his amp off "standby," Clark unknowingly kicked off the band's set not with a roar but with a laugh. As Joe Elliot recalls, "He did his windmill arm motion, just like Pete Townshend, for the big opening chord and nothing happened. No power. Everybody in the audience was laughing."
They'd been together for only a couple of months. They didn't have enough songs to fill up the evening. Heck, Angus Young hadn't even donned his famous schoolboy outfit yet. But neither that nor a venue that was well past its prime could stop AC/DC from winning over fans at their first show. As bassist Dave Evans remembers of Chequers: "It had been very glamorous in the '50s and '60s, but when we played there it was past it heyday. It was a small venue with a little stage, no dressing room," he explained in Classic Rock magazine. To make matters worse, the club's elderly manager would pull the plug on the band's power every 20 minutes or so, simply because he thought they were playing too loud. Regardless, Young recalled, "That gig was really wild. It's wild on New Year's Eve anyway, but putting what we were doing on top of all the seasonal stuff just made it wilder."
For decades now, Kiss have packed the biggest arenas around the world and earned millions upon millions via ticket and merchandise sales. But they split $50 to perform in front of less than 10 people at their first show, which took place at the Popcorn Club in Queens. Bassist Gene Simmons booked the gig after the band's first manager quit, declaring them "the worst crap he ever heard."
The Doors
The first steady gig the Doors landed was on the legendary Sunset Strip, home to famous venues like the Roxy and the Whisky a Go Go. But they were down the road, sharing the tiny stage with exotic dancers, overflowing ashtrays and spilled beer at a rundown club named the London Fog. Rich Weidman's 'The Doors FAQ' says the venue was "frequented by drunks, prostitutes and other assorted lowlifes and sleazy characters," but it's here where the band was free to practice the long-form musical exploration that led to early classics like 'Light My Fire' and 'The End.'
The Police
What's so bad about having your first show in the U.S. take place at one of the most famous clubs in all of New York City? Well, for one thing — that photo up on top of this page? That was the Police's dressing room. For another, they had just crammed themselves and their gear onto a budget-priced overseas flight, all for the honor of playing to an extremely small crowd. Luckily, everyone who did turn up was able to tune into what made the band so special very quickly. As Andy Summers remembers, "By the end of the first set the audience [was] on its feet and literally howling along with us." Which probably made spending the next three weeks stuffed inside a Ford Econoline playing 23 shows in 21 nights a lot more bearable.
Heart's first concert was in a cave — and we mean that almost literally. As Ann Wilson recalls in the band's official biography, the venue, named the Cave, "was decorated with rocks on the walls to look like a cavern." She also recalls that before their first show the band was so so poor they were living off a hundred-pound bag of rice. Disaster nearly struck during the band's tryout for the show, when a gust of wind knocked Wilson's guitar to the ground. Luckily, they got the gig, ignored any thought that the fallen axe was a bad omen, and went on to be one of the biggest bands of the classic-rock era.
The Velvet Underground
A high-school auditorium in suburban New Jersey turned out not to have been the best place for Lou Reed and company to debut their experimental, intellectual brand of rock 'n' roll. According to a mini-documentary from the AV Club, the group managed to drive away about half the crowd full of students and parents with their three song set. In retrospect, 'There She Goes' seems like a safe opener, but it's hard to say the same about follow-up tracks 'Venus in Furs' and 'Heroin.'
Yes might have the market cornered when it comes to weirdest setting for a first concert. Just a week after they formed, the group (Chris Squire, Jon Anderson, Peter Banks, Tony Kaye and Bill Bruford) was slated to play a concert at the East Mersea Youth Camp in Essex. With such little time to prepare, Yes played many covers, but did so in a style that foreshadowed their pioneering progressive-rock sound. "We didn't just rearrange a song," explained Banks. "We celebrated it with much enthusiasm."
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There's been a lot of talk in magazines about distribution of HD content, focused primarily on a few select pieces of hardware. But there are rumblings of change that will cause a dramatic shift in the way video gets distributed. Are you ready?
I've worked on a PBS cooking series for eight seasons now. A few years back, we were the first to record an entire season live to hard drive using off-the-shelf hardware and nine external hard drives. It greatly sped up editing, but in the end, the shows were still mastered to tape. They went to an uplink facility, bounced off a satellite at a scheduled date and time, and all the stations that wanted to air the show hit record on their downlinks at that scheduled time. The entire distribution chain is based on fixed schedules.
Viewers interested in the show are limited to the version we edit for PBS. It follows strict guidelines on sponsorship, length, frame size, frame rate, etc. Viewers rely on their local PBS station to carry the show, which it may or may not. Viewers either have to sit down and watch it at its appointed time or time-shift it with a VCR or Personal Video Recorder (PVR). It has worked like this for many years.
But imagine you could create a show, even with your new HD gear, edit it as long or as short as you want, include commercials or sponsorships, and publish it on your own schedule to an audience that signs up for direct delivery—perhaps even subscribes!
The music industry already is undergoing dramatic changes. The shift to Internet delivery is far a more significant change than the shift from "brick and mortar" stores to Internet retailers that preceded it. We are finally dealing with commerce for the content itself, independent of the packaging. Consumers get what they want, when they want it.
That same demand is driving the market for PVRs and on-demand services. Although we're still a long way from networks offering shows directly to us in some iTunes-like interface, I anticipate a shift that will require studios to focus much less on the packaging that is network TV. It will take the broadcast industry quite some time to adopt this model. But we, as individuals, can adapt much faster and take advantage of it now.
Software mogul and industry veteran Philip Hodgetts has started a blog in which he recently wrote eloquently on the subject of new distribution paradigms. He explained how blogging evolved into RSS (really simple subscription management) feeds, which notify anyone interested in your content when you write something new. This evolved into audio blogs, and then podcasting, where the audio blog is automatically downloaded into your player without any effort on your behalf—after you subscribe, that is. Most podcasts are simple, and little more than verbal blogs, but some are well-produced. It's like having your own radio show automatically delivered to the hard drives of interested audiences worldwide.
Now let's apply this concept to a video program. Hodgetts provides an example: "Star Trek: Enterprise has been canned. The last season had 2.5 million viewers an episode with a budget of $1.6 million an episode. If each viewer paid 75¢ for the episode, delivered directly to their 'TV storage device' . . . then the producers would turn a profit of $200,000 an episode . . . That same content can also be delivered to Enterprise fans anywhere in the world."
Imagine that. Your own copy of the show, delivered to your PVR for 75¢. An entire season would cost about $20. Add $13 for blank DVDs so you can record and keep your collection for just $33. For the audience, this is $57 cheaper than the retail version of the shows on DVD, which currently sells for $90. The producers are also making an extra $200,000 an episode.
But how do you handle such massive digital distribution? One solution is BitTorrent, a peer-to-peer system that lets everyone who has downloaded a file contribute to the pool of sharers. Primarily used for big files (legally, too), this means that the person originating the file is not forced to provide 1,000,000 downloads. He or she provides one; then half of two; then one-quarter of the third, etc. Everyone online contributes to the next download. This makes the most of how current broadband systems work—downloading is several times faster than uploading. It also means you don't need anything special to serve a file quickly to millions.
The best part is that you are free to create content as you see fit. You can use 24p throughout your production chain to reduce the file size. You can deliver with surround-sound audio. You can even deliver HD.
So, what about that cool show you've always wanted to produce? It could be all about woodworking, gardening, or anything you are passionate about. Maybe a short film is burning inside you or waiting on the shelf in a script you wrote years ago. We've already seen how the Web can be used to get people together and interest them in programming. The time is coming when you can be your own production studio, handling everything from script to delivery.
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D-backs prevail with wild 12th inning in LA
LOS ANGELES -- The two managers met at home plate before the game to exchange lineup cards, but more than that, Dodgers manager Don Mattingly and D-backs manager Kirk Gibson seemed to come to an understanding that the time for fighting had passed and it was now time for baseball.
Then the two teams went out and battled for 12 innings before the D-backs managed to win, 8-6, and claim the three-game series.Full Game Coverage
LOS ANGELES -- The two managers met at home plate before the game to exchange lineup cards, but more than that, Dodgers manager Don Mattingly and D-backs manager Kirk Gibson seemed to come to an understanding that the time for fighting had passed and it was now time for baseball.
Then the two teams went out and battled for 12 innings before the D-backs managed to win, 8-6, and claim the three-game series.Full Game Coverage
Wednesday was a hard-fought baseball game, while Tuesday featured an ugly brawl that resulted in six ejections and suspensions that are surely forthcoming.
"We had a good conversation," Gibson said of his exchange with Mattingly. "It was good. We all know that was very intense last night, little bit ugly, it's not something we want to do. It happens from time to time in the game and you move on. Both teams moved on and we played against each other. It was good. I appreciated it."
After the D-backs tied the game at 4 with a run in the seventh inning, neither team managed to push another run across until the 12th.
Cody Ross started off the decisive inning with a double off Ronald Belisario, who before batting practice had warned that the Dodgers did not consider the incident from one night earlier to be a closed matter.
Miguel Montero then beat out an infield hit and Martin Prado followed with a ground-rule double over left fielder Jerry Hairston's head to score Ross and give Arizona a 5-4 lead.
The Dodgers intentionally walked Didi Gregorius to load the bases and Don Mattingly brought in Brandon League, who promptly gave up an RBI single to Cliff Pennington and two outs later Gerardo Parra added a two-run single to put the D-backs on top 8-4.
"The guys weren't satisfied with one run, they went out and got a bunch of runs," closer Heath Bell said.
It's a good thing they did, too, since Bell had a little trouble shutting things down in the bottom of the 12th, as the Dodgers managed to score two runs and had the winning run at the plate with two outs before Tim Federowicz grounded into a game-ending fielder's choice.
"I think yesterday the game got away from us," Bell said of the 5-3 loss following the brawl. "We had a chance to win and we didn't shut it down and it was just nice to get some runs. The Dodgers came back, they weren't going to let up. I think [the win] just means a lot because they tied it up and we just kept plugging along and we just went into extra innings and we just kept fighting and fighting."
The D-backs pounded out 20 hits in the game, 17 of which were singles including the first 14 of the game.
And despite missing several scoring opportunities against Hyun-Jin Ryu through the first three innings, the D-backs grabbed a 3-0 lead in the fourth.
Ross, Montero, Prado and Gregorius each collected singles to start the inning with Prado and Gregorius each driving home a run, and the final run of the frame scored when Pennington grounded into a double play.
"I just regret giving up three runs in that one inning," Ryu said. "Even if it was just one or two runs, I'm sure the outcome of the game would be very different."
That's usually enough of a cushion for Patrick Corbin, who was trying to become the Majors first 10-game winner, but instead things unraveled for him in the fifth.
Juan Uribe led off the inning with a double, but Corbin quickly retired the next two hitters as Uribe scored.
Before Corbin could get the third out, Alex Castellanos hit a ground-rule double and Ryu followed by hitting a sinking line drive to right. Parra charged in and attempted to make a sliding catch, but the ball skipped by him and rolled all the way to the wall, allowing Castellanos to score and Ryu to reach third.
The Dodgers then put together three consecutive singles to score two more runs and grab a 4-3 advantage.
"They were just putting together some good swings," Corbin said. "I didn't think I was really missing my spots other than I left the changeup up for the double. Other than that I felt all right. They were just putting some good swings and it was just one of those things where it just seemed like any pitch I threw they were getting a hit."
The D-backs managed to tie the score in the seventh, putting together three straight two-out hits off Chris Withrow with Montero's bloop single to left scoring Paul Goldschmidt.
Steve Gilbert is a reporter for MLB.com. Read his blog, Inside the D-backs, and follow him on Twitter @SteveGilbertMLB.


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Billingsley: Dodgers first to 40 wins
Big right-hander dominating at the top of LA's rotation
We're the first team in the Majors to win 40 games this season. That means we've played well overall and we've won a lot of close games. It also demonstrates that we've come from behind in a lot of games and that we don't quit.
From a confidence standpoint, it's great to know that we'll battle to the very end and to the final out of every game.
As a team, we're playing very well right now. We have to work to continue that, because it's still early in the season. We need to continue this level of play, and we need to come ready to play every day.
I now have eight wins. The goal for me is the goal of any starter who takes the ball every fifth day: You want to give your team a chance to win. You also want to give your team a complete game, and you always have your mind focused on having your best stuff. In the end, though, all that really matters is that you give your team the best chance to win that you're capable of.
I take a start-to-start approach, and I try not to look too far ahead. You have to focus on what is right in front of you. So all I'm focusing on is my next start.
Some of the Padres hitters had some good at-bats against me on Tuesday night. They fouled a lot of balls off and that drove my pitch count up. You have to give the opposition credit for that. I had to battle, and I was able to keep the game close. Every day is a battle, whether you're a pitcher or a batter.
I also got good offensive support from my teammates. Andre Ethier has been unbelievable lately. He hit two home runs behind me on Tuesday night. He's been great going back to our four-game series against Philadelphia over the weekend. Andre is really hot right now, and hopefully he can continue that.
Russell Martin has really played a big role in our early success this season, too. He's been throwing out runners and does a great job at helping pitchers keep base runners close.
Chad Billingsley, who has emerged as the Dodgers' No. 1 starter in his fourth season, is playing a big role in the club's strong start. He's 8-3 with a 2.73 ERA and 90 strikeouts through 13 starts.
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Marriage Matters Panel Survey of Newlywed Couples, 1998-2004, Louisiana (ICPSR 29582)
Principal Investigator(s): Nock, Steven L., University of Virginia; Sanchez, Laura A., Bowling Green State University; Wright, James D., University of Central Florida
In 1997, Louisiana enacted a covenant marriage law which gave couples an alternative to a conventional marriage license. By requiring premarital counseling and proof of fault for a subsequent divorce, along with other features, covenant marriages were intended to be more difficult both to enter and to exit. The Marriage Matters panel survey was designed to examine the effects of covenant marriage on rates of marital dissolution, relationship quality, and other outcomes. The data were collected in three waves. Wave 1 was collected approximately 3 to 6 months after marriage. Respondents were asked questions about their recent marriage, the time leading up to their recent marriage, premarital counseling, convenant marriage, previous marriages, biological and adopted children, feelings about children, their views on marriage and divorce in general, their religious views, satisfaction in marriage, household responsibilities, their background, health and happiness, their social and political views, and about the questionnaire itself. Wave 2 was administered approximately 18 months after the first wave. The second wave queried respondents on their marriage today, their views on marriage and divorce in general, their religious views, household responsibilities, satisfaction in marriage, convenant marriage, biological and adopted children, feelings about children, problems in their marriage, advice and counseling, their health and happiness, employment, housing, and income, household composition, and their social and political views. Wave 3 was administered 12 to 24 months after the second wave. Respondents answered questions on their marriage today, views about marriage and divorce in general, their religious views, household responsibilities, satisfaction in marriage, the celebration of holidays, convenant marriage, biological and adopted children, feelings about children, problems in their marriage, advice and counseling, their health and happiness, employment, housing, and income, household composition, and their social and political views. In the divorce questionnaire, the following topics were addressed: how things stand at the moment, feelings about their marriage, arguments during their marriage, social life since the separation or divorce, their health and well-being, moving to a divorce agreement, advice and counseling, the divorce process and convenant marriage, and household income the year before and after the separation. Demographic information collected across all three waves includes: age, gender, religious participation, employment status, education level, number of children birthed or adopted, household composition, and household income. Demographic information collected in Wave 1 only includes: race, religious affiliation, number of previous marriages, and political affiliation. Demographic information collected through the divorce questionnaire includes: gender, marital status, and personal and partner income.
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Nock, Steven L., Laura A. Sanchez, and James D. Wright. Marriage Matters Panel Survey of Newlywed Couples, 1998-2004, Louisiana. ICPSR29582-v1. Ann Arbor, MI: Inter-university Consortium for Political and Social Research [distributor], 2012-06-29. https://doi.org/10.3886/ICPSR29582.v1
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Subject Terms: adultery, children, conflict resolution, dating (social), divorce, domestic responsibilities, domestic violence, educational background, employment, family background, family conflict, family relations, health, household composition, income, life satisfaction, marital relations, marital satisfaction, marital status, marriage, marriage ceremonies, marriage counseling, mental health, political attitudes, religious beliefs, remarriage, social attitudes, social issues, social values, spouses
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Universe: Adult couples marrying in either covenant or standard marriages between 1998 and 2004 in 17 of 60 randomly selected parishes in Louisiana.
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Study Design: The design was a three wave panel survey involving self-administered questionnaires to a sample comprised of approximately equal numbers of standard and covenant couples. Respondents (1,271 men and women representing 707 married couples) were first surveyed within 1 to 6 months of their marriages, then again approximately 2 years later, and finally at the 5-year mark. Husbands and wives were surveyed independently at all waves. When applicable, information regarding the couple's divorce were also collected.
Sample: The sample selection criteria consisted of two steps. First, 17 of 60 parishes were selected randomly and proportionate to size. Second, from these 17 parishes, all covenant marriage licenses and the standard marriage licenses filed next to the standard licenses were drawn. Standard licenses were purposefully over-sampled because of the expectation that the covenant marriage innovators would be more committed to the rigors and duration of the study. Of the 1,714 licenses that were validly part of the sampling frame, 1,310 couples were eventually confirmed for a confirmation rate of 76.4 percent. Demographically, respondents were similar to recently married people all over the United States: average age of 31; 80 percent White, 15 percent African American, 5 percent from other ethnic backgrounds; 60 percent with one or more years of college education; average family income of just over $50,000 a year. About 60 percent of the couples were both in their first marriages. For 20 percent, one partner had been previously married one or more times, and for the remaining 20 percent, this was true of both partners.
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Carrie Underwood, Joan Jett, Fall Out Boy, Gavin DeGraw, Florida Georgia Line, Kellie Pickler, and Cher Lloyd are among the musicians who have been invited to play the 87th annual Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.
Additional artists include Brett Eldredge, Sharon Jones and The Dap Kings, Austin Mahone, Goo Goo Dolls, Cirque du Soleil, Ariana Grande, Fifth Harmony, stars from TV's Duck Dynasty, Megan Hilty, and Kristin Chenoweth.
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10 Female Rappers Not Named Nicki Minaj
For most of you, female Hip-Hop begins and ends with Nicki Minaj. But that's just not the case. There are more rappers out there just as good or better than Nicki on her best day.
So broaden your horizons. Here are 10 female MCs you should also be listening to.
Iggy Azalea – If you get through the sloring you'll see she's actually a passable MC in her own right.
3D Na'Tee – She's probably the best female MC in the game right now and one of the best underground rappers in any gender. Keep an eye out for her.
Jean Grae – She's an OG in the game, but she's still kicking with some of the best music around. You have to respect her.
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Just checked current weather in Sedalia (Nat.l Rally is always 3rd wk July), whew- thanks but no thanks! Its hot enough in the upper midwest. Maybe I'll see you in 2013...
Just checked current weather in Sedalia (Nat.l Rally is always 3rd wk July), whew- thanks but no thanks! Its hot enough in the upper midwest. Maybe I'll see you in 2013...
Holding the rally at Sedalia MO in October 2012 when the weather is hopefully good would a good test to see if a date change would be successful.
Season Weather Averages for Sedalia Memorial (KDMO)
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Don't need more critics, thanks.
Our hard working volunteers deserve better than this year, and they will get it in Missouri.
We do need more air conditioning. Sedalia has that and more. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the facilities.
We'll miss you, but we'll be there with bells on for our annual family reunion.
Voni AND Paul
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Sorry I missed Bloomsburg, but other circumstances as well as weather prevented my rally trip.
As far as Sedalia, as is stands now, I will be there (but not with bells on, just regular rally attire!).
I still like the late September or early October idea of a rally, though.
Al From Chgo Burbs
By the way, I have to take Seth out of school to attend the MOA Rally held always in the 3rd week of July; like many Western States, school is year round in Arizona!
Don Stanley; aka Chuy Medina "El Burrito Ballerina"
BMWMOA #24810; www.azbeemers.org/forum #89
Well, yes it was hot. It was hot in Ontario when we left and it was worse in Bloomsburg. However, we survived, had fun and tried out our hot weather gear. The good thing was that we probably sweated out all the beer rather than having it settle around the waist :-), and besides, I'll take the heat before pouring rain any day. So, enough about the weather, nothing you can do about anyways, life goes on.
If climate change keeps changing weather patterns to the hotter side, I guess eventually the date for the rally will change to either earlier or later in the year.
Dietrich H. Look
For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else.
Sir Winston Churchill.
I've got Sedalia on my calendar. Living in northeast Arkansas, I don't have any excuses for not attending.
John M. Flora
MOA # 23538, RA # 16295, AMA Life Member
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i will not preregister for another rally, ever. if the weather is good and not 112 in the shade, i'll go. although i enjoyed every national i've been to, there is nothing there that makes riding day in and day out in 95+ degree weather worth it for me.
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Record High 116 (1954)
Record Low 44 (1972)
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Why don't we have the rally indoors!?!! I am already planning for Sedalia!!!
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Sedalia is already dialed in for specific dates in July, 2012. No sense whinning about trying to change that. Let's hope for the best and place it on our calendars.
While no one would ever volunteer to be "Chairperson of Clear Skies," or "Chairperson of Mild Temperatures," could we at least consider trying a national rally in autumn for 2013 or 2014?!
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An Illinois Round Barn
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Illinois is not my favorite state to drive through, but there are some extraordinary old barns. This one's superb! Great shots.ReplyDelete
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I live in colchester near this barn the family that owns it are very nice people and would love the fact that you liked it so much.if your ever back in the area stop in and they'll most likely give you a tour. ther is another round barn up by roseville about 1/2 mile north of town not as big but still neat to see.ReplyDelete
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Motion to Dismiss claims no probable cause in Jordan Johnson case
MISSOULA, Mont. - Suspended University of Montana quarterback Jordan Johnson pleaded not guilty to raping a friend, and his attorneys say he had good reason.
One of his attorneys, Kirsten Pabst, filed a Motion to Dismiss the case after Johnson's court hearing Tuesday. In the motion, Pabst argues prosecutors don't have enough evidence to file charges.
In the motion's introduction there's a statement blaming the Department of Justice investigation into allegations Missoula Police, prosecutors and UM mishandled sexual assault cases, as the reason Johnson was charged. The motion says "…the State has chosen to use Jordan's case – one which lacks probably cause – as a means to try to send a message."
Pabst said there's plenty of reason behind Johnson's plea and the Motion to Dismiss.
"It revolves around the fact that the judge didn't get all of the facts," Pabst said Wednesday.
Facts Johnson's defense believes will help prove his innocence.
The motion offers a point by point argument against the prosecutor's charges. It starts with an allegation the alleged victim made advances toward Johnson on the night of the Forester's Ball event, the night before the alleged incident. From there attorneys go into graphic detail about the night the woman admits she and Johnson watched movies at her house.
Prosecutors allege Johnson raped her after she told him no repeatedly. But the defense argues it was consensual, and that the injuries prosecutors claim are consistent with rape, were non-existent.
The motion goes on to quote text messages from the alleged victim to a friend:
"It will hit him like a ton of bricks which I'm okay with…" "I don't think he did anything wrong to be honest…he didn't show any remorse or anything…" "I'm not super sensitive about the subject too much anymore so it's all good…and and I don't think he thinks he did anything wrong."
"She says this is going to hit him like a ton of bricks. She admits this is going to surprise him. Legally what that means is that he didn't know he was committing a crime," said Pabst.
The County Attorney's Office said they're reviewing thousands of pages of text messages. They did not comment on the Motion to Dismiss. That office has until August 21st to file a formal response to the motion.
After that Johnson's defense team has another opportunity to respond, and finally it will be up to District Court Judge Karen Townsend to decide whether to dismiss the case.
If Townsend doesn't dismiss the case Pabst said she wants the earliest possible trial date for Johnson so that he can resume his normal life.
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The responses of the participants paints a story that's as depressing as it is long — all in all, the 1,000 test subjects hammered out half a million words, which is in the same ballpark as Leo Tolstoy's War And Peace.
"Media is my drug; without it I was lost," wrote a contributor from the U.K. "I am an addict. How could I survive 24 hours without it?" That was echoed by an American, who added, "I was itching, like a crackhead, because I could not use my phone." A little less dramatic was someone from Slovakia, who simply said "I felt sad, lonely and depressed" when unplugged. All this after just one day.
It makes sense that without technology you'd be cut off from the news, your friends, your favorite tech blogs and so on — and that that could leave you feeling bummed — but the participants were surprised to realize how they typically absorb that information:
Because Facebook, Twitter, Gmail and their counterparts are increasingly the way students reported getting their news and information, students were cavalier about any need for traditional news outlets, and in fact very few students mentioned any legacy or online news organization by name.
The participants didn't really care whether the news source came from The New York Times or the BBC, the study showed. It was typically delivered to them through their social networks, and often reading the blurb a friend posts is as far as someone would get. The actual article would be left mostly unread.
If you're currently biting your fingers into stumps and wondering how you can keep yourself from ever feeling that gadgetless depression these brave students faced, the Unplugged researchers have drafted up a set of lessons for everyone, including the individual, universities and even journalists. Check it out here.
At least, I think that's what's going on here. Not going to lie, I pretty much just skimmed this study after seeing it mentioned on Twitter.
The World Unplugged, via Reg Hardware


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"The turning point in the process of growing up is when you discover the core of strength within you that survives all hurt."
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Boston Symphony Orchestra to invest $30 million in Tanglewood
PITTSFIELD -- The Boston Symphony Orchestra is solidifying its long-term commitment to Tanglewood by accelerating plans to invest $30 million in building and grounds upgrades at its summer home over the next seven to eight years.
"Maintaining and building Tanglewood's position as the pre-eminent summer festival in the United States is something I think about every day in an ever-more-challenging economy and in a more fractured, more cluttered marketplace," said BSO Managing Director Mark Volpe.
In an address to the Berkshire Chamber of Commerce's monthly Good News breakfast on Wednesday, Volpe outlined the organization's intentions to improve its 76-year-old facility "in order to enhance the experience of patrons."
In a wide-ranging, anecdote-laced talk that drew frequent and hearty laughter from the audience of about 250 at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, the orchestra's top executive noted that while every major city has a concert hall, "what makes the Boston Symphony unique is Tanglewood."
"There are buildings at Tanglewood that are pre-Civil War," he said, referring to the $30 million in upgrades.
He also listed "securing our position in the digital age for the dissemination of music electronically" as a high priority.
Emphasizing the importance of the Tanglewood Music Center, the BSO's summer institute for about 150 advanced young professionals, Volpe described it as part of the organization's "core mission," and said it costs $3 million to $4 million to operate each year.
He also stressed the need to diversify audiences and to attract younger age groups by investing in research and development -- "something that institutions that are too close to the edge financially don't do enough of."
Volpe cited a study by Williams College economics professor Steven C. Sheppard a few years ago that listed the BSO's overall economic impact in Massachusetts at more than $200 million, with as much as $70 million of that sum coming specifically from Tanglewood.
Observing that Tanglewood's 75th anniversary last summer attracted the site's third-largest audience ever, Volpe acknowledged that "it will be hard to match that, but the early indications are very, very positive."
During the 2012 season, 375,776 ticket-holders streamed through the gates.
"We're very pleased," Volpe added. "Even before the BSO arrives for our core [BSO] residency, we have the Grateful Dead tribute -- without Jerry Garcia obviously, Joan Baez, Jackson Browne, Melissa Etheridge. I think we have 40,000 to 50,000 people coming."
The BSO's unusually extensive preseason lineup of popular artists and other attractions extends from June 21 through July 4.
Volpe indicated that an announcement would be forthcoming about a Popular Artists event for Labor Day weekend.
"We've had 100 proposals out to various artists," he said. "It's one of the trickiest weekends because everyone is booking."
Volpe also referenced incoming Music Director Andris Nelsons' appearance at Tanglewood to lead Verdi's Requiem on July 27. Nelsons' wife, Kristine Opolais -- "one of the glamour sopranos of her generation" who has signed a six-year contract with the Metropolitan Opera -- will also appear.
He described Nelsons as "one of the hottest conductors in Europe, though not quite as well-known in North America."
Nelsons will be BSO music director-designate in 2013-14 before assuming the position formally during the 2014-15 season.
"We really feel that with a new music director and with all this energy and continued brand-building, we're at a threshold period," Volpe said. "I think we are poised to make a difference and to provide cultural leadership in the Berkshires and beyond."
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Garza Loses Tough One on the Road
Blue Jays 6, Rays 2
I am a firm supporter of the new Rays stadium plans on the old Al Lang stadium site. I have heard all the arguments of heat, parking and a severe reaction to liquid sunshine. That is true baseball, and if you do not like it, there is always other stadiums that can open and close their roofs for you.
One of the main positive groups for the stadium is the majorleaguedowntown group. They have recently gotten signs for the yards,businesses' and cars for those wanting to show their positive support for the plan. Below is a dvert from www.majorleaguedowntown.com. Go check out the site and the plans and practical ideas behind this new stadium.
Trivia Fact of the Night:
First baseman Rip Collins of the Cardinals hated to throw away his broken bats. So he took them home and constructed a picket fence with them.
The Good,The Bad,and The Ugly
The Good
Last time out, Rays starter Matt Garza got his first victory of the season against the Orioles. Matt has gone 6-2 lifetime against the AL East, with all his victories coming on the road. Matt also had his MLB debut against these same Blue Jays on August 11, 2006, but lost that first start.
Garza seemed to be gaining confidience and strength during his 6 innings tonight, but a bad inning doomed him to a loss tonight. Matt had his control and his arsenal in check before the bottom of the 6th inning. In that inning, he gave up a walk and two singles before leaving the contest losing 1-0.
Honorable Mention "Good" guys:
*** Rays starting catcher Dioner Navarro got the first hit of the game, but decided to test the arm of rightfielder Alex Rios by stretching the play into a double. Rios gunned him down at second with a great throw to the lower side of the bag and got Dioner without a problem.
** Leftfielder Carl Crawford decided that he too could throw out a runner, and got his chance in the bottom of the 6th when Jays catcher Rod Barajas tested his arm and tried to stretch his advancement to third. Carl also threw a strike to Evan Longoria, who tagged out Barajas.
* B J Upton hit a 2-run RBI doubleto deep center in the top of the 9th inning off Jays starter Shawn Marcum. B J 's shot scored Aki Iwamura and Carl Crawford to ruin Marcum's shutout bid. B J also stole second to get himself in scoring position.
The Bad
Rays slugger Carlos Pena again left 2 runners in scoring position tonight. The last one was B J Upton on second in the bottom of the 9th inning. Pena struck out swinging to end the Rays momentum and the game.
The Rays only managed 4 hits off the Toroanto starter tonight and struck out 10 times.
The Bad
The Rays ran into a hot pitcher tonight and were about to be subject to a 1-hit shutout before Aki Iwamura and Carl Crawford each got singles to start the top of the 9th inning. B J Upton ruined his shutout, and chased Shawn Marcum from the game.
The best average against Marcum by the Rays starters was Eric Hinske, who was 1-3 against the Jays starter. that kind of stat does not bode well for a offense juggernaut of a night.
Since entering the Jays rotation last May, Marcum has posted a 14-6 record with a 3.65 ERA in 31 starts. He is one of only 6 AL starters to record a winning percentage over .700 or higher since last season.
Former Rays player of the Night:
I am beginning to think I should reserve a spot on my list for former Rays catcher Raul Cassanova on a weekly basis. This former battery mate who is the New York Met's starting catcher went 2-5 tonight with 2 runs scored and 2 RBI's. He is currently hitting at .283 for the Mets.


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IRVING, Texas—Jerry Jones refuses to legitimize any of the rumors linking Saints coach Sean Payton to the Cowboys.
He said on his radio Tuesday he can have no contact with Payton and knows nothing of his business with the Saints or his contract situation.
But when it came to his own coach Jason Garrett, Jones was less clear about his intentions. Garrett is 16-16 as Cowboys coach. The team is a disappointing 3-5 this year. Garrett is 4-9 in his last 13 games.
Jones talked patience with Garrett because he is a young coach, while even comparing Tom Landry and Bill Belichick, both of whom struggled early in their careers before winning Super Bowl titles and becoming legends.
But he said the Cowboys are too talented to be 3-5 and they don't have time for a coach learning on the job because their best players like Tony Romo, DeMarcus Ware, Jason Witten and Jay Ratliff are in the prime of their careers.
"We have talent," Jones said. "We don't have time to have a bad time, not in their careers. We can't have a coach gaining experience. That's the challenge. We have to get to the ground running. We are not doing it right now."


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Gaara has grt powers of sands and now he has golden sands got from his mother. See it all these powers
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