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Gov. Mark Dayton toured a central Minnesota paper mill Tuesday that was the site of a deadly fire Monday.
The governor pledged the state's support to help get the Verso Paper Corporation plant back up and running.
"The state of Minnesota will do everything it possibly can to get this plant operating again as soon as possible and protect the jobs that are here and vitally important to Sartell and the area," Dayton said. "The fact that (Verso) is in some difficulty right now is of concern to me."
Dayton said the company and its employees are only in the initial stages of assessing their needs, and that financial assistance might be in order.
Dayton's visit to Sartell followed release of the identity of the plant worker who was killed in the fire. Officials say Jon Maus from Albany, Minn. died in the fire. There was no additional information released about him, but community members say Maus was a husband and a father of four.
Four other workers were injured in the fire.
The mill is currently offline as the damage is assessed. The fire burned a warehouse that holds large rolls of paper. Fire Chief Ken Heim says the material is difficult to work with.
"The challenge you have with a paper roll is they're wound so tight. And as the first layer burns off it ignites ... it's very challenging to put out," Heim said.
Heim said the fire didn't occur in the manufacturing parts of the plant. Some reports say the fire started after an air compressor exploded, but Heim couldn't confirm that and said their investigation has only just begun.
Smoke and the pungent smell of burned material hung in the air near the plant, as crews continued to douse the warehouse with water.
The century-old paper mill sits on the banks of the Mississippi River, and is one year older than the town of Sartell itself.
The fire comes at a difficult time for both the mill and the paper industry. In December the Verso mill laid off 175 workers. There are still more than 250 people employed at the plant and they, along with many people in town, wonder what's next for the mill.
"They were our second-largest employer," said Sartell City Manager Patti Gartland. "They were and continue to be our largest tax-paying property owner. So they have a very significant economic, social and cultural role in our community."
Company officials say they would not talk about what the fire means for the plant's future. The mill's manager would only confirm there was significant damage to the facility.
Some Sartell families have had multiple generations working at the Verso mill. Cindy Stang lives just across the road from the mill and said the place has a lot of history for her.
"My dad worked there, my brother, all my cousins, uncles, many, many people that I know," she said.
Stang said it's hard to see the fire hurt a mill and an industry that's already struggling.
"We all know it's not a paper society any more," Stang said.
Industry observers agree it's been a challenging road for the paper industry in recent years.
Wayne Brandt, executive vice president of Minnesota Forest Industries, said more recent investments by companies in mills in Minnesota have kept the lights on — especially compared to more wide-spread closings in other parts of the country.
"We've been able to continue running with the mills here while others have been shut down," Brandt said. "Profitability has been marginal for most of the mills."
Brandt said it's still too early to know what the temporary shutdown in Sartell might mean for the other four paper mills in the state.
About 100 employees showed up for work today at the Verso mill to help out where they could.
(The Associated Press contributed to this report.)


text: Its certainly not forgettable. I can remember the type of part every regular was playing. I first heard it on the train on the 40th Anniversary coming back from Paul McGann's signing for it in London! I suppose I'll always have a fondness for it for that. Theres a few things I didn't like in the McGann stories at the time... that are nothing compared to what the TV series has done since it came back!

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Doyle refuses to reveal cost of mayoral bid
MELBOURNE lord mayor Robert Doyle has refused to disclose how much he is spending on his Town Hall tilt - and who is footing the bill.
Responding to questions triggered by The Age transparency campaign, Cr Doyle yesterday said he was receiving no political party funding for his campaign but refused to rule out backing from developers and corporates.
Of the main teams seeking election, only the lord mayor's Team Doyle has ruled out revealing the source and amount of campaign funding during the election. Age editor-in-chief Andrew Holden has called on candidates to disclose details of their campaign finance as part of a push to improve transparency in the funding of political campaigns.
Lord mayor aspirant David Nolte - like Cr Doyle a Liberal Party member - said his Our Melbourne ticket was happy to open its books to reveal the source of its backing.
He said there were ''real questions'' around transparency and openness in this council election. "The only way people seem to be able to get elected is if they are on one or another of the 'rich' tickets.''
The Greens yesterday declared donations and self-funding of $32,974. Lord mayor hopeful Alison Parkes said: ''Transparency and accountability have been central to our campaign, just as they are a central tenet of my professional work as an accountant. Voters will be wondering why Robert Doyle wants to keep his financial interests a secret.''
Yesterday The Age reported Doyle ticket member Carl Jetter estimating that his team would spend up to $500,000 on the campaign. Voters will start receiving postal ballots today.
The other ticket likely to spend big is the Melbourne Living team of Gary Singer and John So jnr. Mr Singer welcomed the Age campaign and described it as ''positive and laudible. We would be disappointed if other candidates did not take part,'' he said.
Cr Doyle said he would disclose how much he had spent personally on the campaign but only after the postal poll closed on October 26.
Under the Local Government Act, council candidates are required to disclose campaign gifts within 40 days of the poll. ''I can promise you the Victorian Electoral Commission has very precise requirements, very demanding requirements, and I will absolutely meet every element of those requirements, as I did last time,'' Cr Doyle said.
Both the Liberal and Labor parties yesterday refused to reform the disclosure laws. Shadow local government minister Richard Wynne called the present situation ''robust''. Local Government Minister Jeanette Powell said amendments before Parliament would shorten the 40-day post-election wait for disclosure to 14 days. The bill will also require councils to publish donations on their websites. "The proposed changes provide the appropriate level of disclosure," Mrs Powell said.
Cr Doyle, asked if voters had the right to know if political parties, developers or corporations were backing his campaign, said: ''There's no political party backing my campaign.''
Gary Morgan told The Age his campaign with John Elliott would be personally funded. ''I have not accepted a donation from anyone and will not in the future,'' he said.
African-Australian community leader and lord mayor candidate Berhan Ahmed said: ''It's important to be open and clear and transparent … We need to do it.''
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Cheating with chance
Published: 27 February 2013 (GMT+10)
The argument from probability that life could not form by natural processes but must have been created is sometimes acknowledged by evolutionists as a strong argument.1 The probability of the chance formation of a hypothetical functional 'simple' cell, given all the ingredients, is acknowledged2 to be worse than 1 in 1057800. This is a chance of 1 in a number with 57,800 zeros. It would take 11 full pages of magazine type to print this number. To try to put this in perspective, there are about 1080 (a number with 80 zeros) electrons in the universe. Even if every electron in our universe were another universe the same size as ours that would 'only' amount to 10160 electrons.
These numbers defy our ability to comprehend their size. Fred Hoyle, British mathematician and astronomer, used analogies to try to convey the immensity of the problem. For example, Hoyle said the probability of the formation of just one of the many proteins on which life depends is comparable to that of the solar system packed full of blind people randomly shuffling Rubik's cubes all arriving at the solution at the same time3—and this is the chance of getting only one of the 400 or more proteins of the hypothetical minimum cell proposed by the evolutionists (real world 'simple' bacteria have about 2,000 proteins and are incredibly complex). [Note added 2013: see update to How simple can life be?] As Hoyle points out, the program of the cell, encoded on the DNA, is also needed. In other words, life could not form by natural (random) processes.
Evolutionists often try to bluff their way out of this problem by using analogies to argue that improbable things happen every day, so why should the naturalistic origin of life be considered impossible? For example, they say the odds of winning the lottery are pretty remote, but someone wins it. Or, the chances of getting the particular arrangement of cards obtained by shuffling a deck is remote, but a rare combination happens every time the cards are shuffled. Or the arrangement of the sand grains in a pile of sand obtained by randomly pouring the sand is extremely complex, but this complex and improbable arrangement did occur as a result of random processes. Or the exact combination and arrangement of people walking across a busy city street is highly improbable, but such improbable arrangements happen all the time. So they argue from these analogies to try to dilute the force of this powerful argument for creation.
You probably realize there is something illogical about this line of argument. But what is it?
In all the analogies cited above, there has to be an outcome. Someone has to win the lottery [note added Feb 2013: even with lotteries where the prize jackpots if no-one gets the exact set of digits drawn, the number of digits to guess is adjusted in line with the number of tickets likely to be purchased to make sure that there will be a winner frequently and there are always lesser prizes for getting less than the full set of digits]. There will be an arrangement of cards. There will be a pile of sand. There will be people walking across the busy street. By contrast, in the processes by which life is supposed to have formed, there need not necessarily be an outcome. Indeed the probabilities argue against any outcome. That is the whole point of the argument. But then the evolutionist may counter that it did happen because we are here! This is circular reasoning at its worst.
Note several other things about these analogies:
- Creationists do not argue that life is merely complex, but that it is ordered in such a way as to defy a natural explanation. The order in the proteins and DNA of living things is independent of the properties of the chemicals of which they consist—unlike an ice crystal where the structure results from the properties of the water molecule. The order in living things parallels that in printed books where the information is not contained in the ink, or even in the letters, but in the complex arrangement of letters which make up words, words which make up sentences, sentences which make up paragraphs, paragraphs which make up chapters and chapters which make up books. These components of written language respectively parallel the nucleic acid bases, codons, genes, operons, chromosomes and genomes which make up the genetic programs of living cells.
- The order in living things shows they are the product of intelligence. The result of the lottery draw is clearly the result of a random selection—unless family members of the lottery supervisor consistently win! Then we would conclude that the draw has not been random—it is not the result of a random process, but the result of an intelligent agent.
- The arrangement of cards resulting from shuffling would not normally suggest anything other than a random process. However, if all the cards were ordered by their suits from lowest to highest, we would logically conclude that an intelligent agent arranged them (or 'stacked the deck' in card-playing parlance) because such an arrangement is highly unlikely from genuine shuffling—a random, non-intelligent process.
- The arrangement of the sand grains in a pile would not normally suggest it resulted from intelligent activity rather than natural processes. However, if all the sand grains were lined up in single file, or were in a neat rectangle, we would attribute this to an intelligent agent, or a machine made by an intelligent agent, as this would not be likely from a natural process.
- The arrangement of people crossing a busy street would not normally suggest anything other than a random process. However, if all the people were ordered from shortest to tallest, or some other ordered arrangement, we would suspect that an intelligent agent was responsible for putting them in this order—that it did not result from chance. If 20 people were arranged from shortest to tallest, the odds of this happening by chance are less than one in a billion, billion (1018), so it would be reasonable to conclude that such an ordered arrangement was not due to chance whereas there would be nothing to suggest intelligent involvement if there was no meaningful pattern to the arrangement of people.
Many scientists today claim that an invisible 'intelligent cause' is outside the realm of 'real' science. These scientists have redefined science as naturalism (nature is all there is). However, scientists recognise the evidence for an invisible intelligent agent when it suits them. For example, forensic science determines if past events were the result of accident or plan and purpose ('Who done it?'). The Piltdown ape-man fraud was discovered, after some 40 years, when researchers had the opportunity to examine the original bones and not just replicas, and they noticed file marks on the teeth.4 Such marks do not happen by natural processes and the researchers recognised the involvement of a human (intelligent) agent—a hoaxer.
Likewise, United States taxpayers are spending millions of dollars yearly in funding the Search for Extra-terrestrial Intelligence (SETI). If those listening hear a radio signal with random noise, it is clearly the product of a natural process, but if there is a pattern such as 'dah-dah-dah-dit-dit-dit-dah-dah-dah', it will be hailed as evidence for an intelligent, although invisible, source.
If such evidence indicates an intelligent source then surely the incredible amount of information on the DNA in living things, equivalent to a library of a thousand 500-page books in a human being,5 shouts creation by a Creator! The more we know about the biochemical workings of living cells, the stronger the evidence becomes for the intimate involvement of a creator. We are indeed fearfully and wonderfully made and no amount of illogical and irrelevant analogy will counter the clear evidence for this.
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Further Reading
- D.A. Bradbury, 'Reply to Landau and Landau', Creation/Evolution 13(2):48–49, 1993. Return to text.
- ibid. Return to text.
- F. Hoyle, 'The big bang in astronomy', New Scientist, 92(1280):527, 1981. Return to text.
- M.L. Lubenow, Bones of Contention—a Creationist Assessment of Human Fossils, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, 1992, pp. 39–44. Return to text.
- M. Denton, Evolution: Theory in Crisis, Burnett Books, London, 1985, p.351. Return to text.
Since information is not random does it logically make sense to say that random processes can produce information ?
Surely regardless of probability no random process can produce highly organised information structures, be it natural language or dna.
Surely if a random process did produce a meaningful sentence for instance it would not be a random process anymore, but a structured one.
A process is either random or structured but surely it cannot be both ?
Certainly if we define information in the sense of the information theorist Dr Werner Gitt, a random process cannot create information. See Without Excuse from the CMI webstore.
Thanks CMI! The "god of this world has blinded their eyes". I find it very difficult that people are so blind as to accept that a plastic lego block has such an obvious design, and incredibly complex life... just happened.
When I hear " evolution did this" or "evolution did that" , I want to scream out " So, who IS evolution?"
God has been replaced by an all-powerful evolution... who only needs a few million years to do anything and everything!
"By contrast, in the processes by which life is supposed to have formed, there need not necessarily be an outcome. Indeed the probabilities argue against any outcome."
Wouldn't there be a multitude of outcomes occurring all the time, and what we rather need to say is that probability says that there would not be an outcome that would promote life?
Also, could it not be argued that not all the possibilities need to be tested before a life-promoting outcome is achieved? Couldn't one say that the 'right' combination could be achieved within the first minute, just as I could throw ten sixes on my first ten throws of a die? (At least on average, the sought-after combination would occur, I believe, after only half the possibilities had been tested. I know that doesn't make much difference, but I thought it might be worth a mention).
P.S. It's interesting to consider asking evolutionists if they would be prepared to bet on a worm winning a horse race. The odds would be very high, but it could happen... for example, all the horses could be struck by lightning, and the worm could eventually make its way around the track by chance.
But would they bet their life on it, because that's what they're doing?
P.P.S. Isn't the probability of an omnipotent, omniscient God creating something that has no other logical cause equal to 1? If I see a soft drink can in the bush, I can be near enough to certain that it came from a can manufacturer. And that's just a can. In fact more simply, if I saw three sticks arranged like an arrow on a cleared bit of ground in the bush, I would be fairly certain that it had been put there by someone.
"... we rather need to say is that probability says that there would not be an outcome that would promote life?"
I thought that this was implied in the argument.
And of course the nature of probability is such that an improbable outcome could theoretically occur with the first trial; the likelihood of that happening is the probability figure.
And yes, evolutionists 'bet' on abiogenesis but in their daily lives reject far better odds on all manner of things.
Detecting design is discussed in Is the design explanation legitimate?
The odds of life occurring randomly are overstated even is this article. Once the odds of the chance formation of a simple, functional single cell have been overcome, that basic block of life needs to reproduce, introducing yet another immense battle against the odds. Failing this, the cell eventually dies out, the slate has been wiped clean, and the battle against virtually infinite odds begins anew.
So what, truly, are the odds of a functional, self-reproducing, single cell forming by chance from lifeless matter?
See my response to Bart W. above (posted after you submitted your comment).
I must say, though, that the point of this article is not so much the actual probability for physics and chemistry alone giving birth to life, but some of the dodgy arguments used to try to circumvent this powerful argument (and other probability arguments).
Saying that given enough energy and chance proteins in a primordial soup can merge into a cell is akin to saying that there's a chance for a squashed fly to be brought back to life when hit by a lightning bolt.
Ok, we are just here, pooofff....life began. No purpose, no meaning, nobody there who wanted it and when the sun runs out of fuel, the earth and everything on it is gone too. At the last all life vanishes with the collapse of the universe and a new one could start.
Why should we listen to the evolutionists or naturalists? Who cares what evolutionists (?) in any previous universe were thinking?
So Mr. Evolutionist, whatever you scientifically find out about your theory will be lost and nobody is left to care about it. Why do you persist and even accept cheating with this theory?
Isn't the probability of a simple cell forming by random processes actually 1 in 10 to the 340,000,0000th power?
This figure is given in the educational video, The programming of life, which can be purchased from the CMI webstore. Biophysicist Harold Morowitz is given as the source for this figure. Morowitz apparently also came up with a figure of 1 in 1010,000,000,000 (published in Energy Flow in Biology, Academic Press, NY, 1968). This was the probability of a bacterium being assembled by chance from a broth of all the basic building blocks (e.g. obtained by heating a brew of living bacteria to kill them and break them down to their basic constituents). As an atheist Horowitz argued that therefore life was not a result of chance and posited that there must be some property of available energy that drives the formation of entities that can use it (aka life). This sounds much like the idea of Gaia, which attributes pantheistic mystical properties to the universe. Anything but believe in a supernatural Creator, it would appear.
The different probabilities calculated arise from the difficulty of calculating such probabilities and the differing assumptions that are made. If we make calculations using assumptions that are most favourable to abiogenesis and the result is still ridiculously impossible, then I think that it is a more powerful argument than using more realistic assumptions that result in an even worse result for the materialist (because the materialist can argue against some of the assumptions with the latter approach).
Since reasoning about anything, but in this case chance, only works if there is order, it's futile to try to ascribe chance as foundational. The atheist must hold that anything is possible. The only way he can know this is if there are limitations to possibility (logic, uniformity, validity of induction, reliability of reason and senses, and so on). Thus he has a contradiction problem. He also must invoke the absurd concept that there is no chance that chance is not behind it. He rests on the law of chances :) (again contradictory)
To invoke probability presupposes uniformity of nature - so much for chance. It gets worse: probability cannot therefore support uniformity since it rests on it. How does one who denies His maker know this? All worldviews not based on Christ end up in skepticism. God made it so plain - to attempt to deny His clear revelation to all people, one has to assume Him first.
A small child can only slap his father in the face, if the father supports him on his lap. (CVT)
In 2005 a biochemist by the name of George Javor published a book on creationism. In it he described what he thought was the inadequacies of the probability argument. His reasoning goes something like this:
If you put a drop of organic solvent on a living cell the membrane of the cell is breached and the cell dies. All the chemistry is essentially still there but there is no life. The reason he said that is that life on the cellular level is what he called a dynamic non-equilibrium steady state. That means that all the processes in the cell are in constant motion where one process feeds the next, then the next, etc. and eventually circles back in a sort of feedback loop that supports the first processes. As long as the environment can support life's needs the cell will continue to live but when the membrane is breached or the cell runs out of food the processes begin to fail and the support mechanism cascades to a halt. He called that death on the cellular level.
The problem is that even though one may assemble all the chemicals together life still doesn't exist until all the processes are in the state of non-equilibrium - a condition that I can't even imagine happening by chance considering the hundreds of thousands of processes within the cell.
Dear Don, These are excellent points. No doubt they have been presented often on CMI's web-site, but when they are hammered out point by point, again and again, it certainly helps us.
I wish there was more feedback from the U.K. though. But I'm afraid both Attenborough and BBC/Wellcome Trust seem to carry the imagination of the populous with their origins dogma. So it's a good antidote to come to CMI.
I do wonder, how did Fred Hoyle and no doubt other cosmologists do their maths to come to such unimaginably large figures?
Wishing you all well in Christ's cause.
Thanks Chris.
You are right about Attenborough and Co. They just assume 'evolution' every time they open their mouths in public. They don't even try to prove it. It is a clever indoctrination strategy to always talk as if what you are saying is self-evidently true and does not need to be defended or proven. Then the listeners do not engage their brains; exactly what is needed for mind control.
Please see Russell Grigg's series on creation.com on Attenborough's latest efforts, beginning here.
Hoyle's calculations might have gone something like this: Assume only 200 proteins are needed for life (it is up to 387 plus RNA entities at last count; in the article "How simple can life be?" linked from my article). Assume only 220 amino acids are needed on average to be in the correct positions for the proteins to function adequately (some require many thousands, not hundreds). Assume that only the 20 amino acids necessary for life are present in the hypothetical primordial soup (at least 40 would be present, if 20 were). Assume that proteins, which are polymers of amino acids, will form without a cellular environment and without the normal cellular machinery that makes this happen. Note that here are many assumptions here in favour of 'life' forming. The probability of such a cell forming with those assumptions would be: ((1/20)^220)^200 = 10-57245 which is very close to Hoyle's figure. He might well have made even more assumptions about how 'simple' the proteins could have been and also factored in the need to make the DNA. The probability for getting the DNA code for those proteins and ribozymes, etc., is much worse than the probability for getting the proteins (which includes the ones needed to read the DNA to make more proteins), so he would have had to have made even more favourable assumptions about the number and size of proteins to account for the DNA as well in his 57,000 figure. And we have not even mentioned cell membranes, etc.
So it is fairly clear that Hoyle overstated the probability of life forming from chemicals from what we know today.
I've never heard the probabilistic arguments address the steep chemical barriers against the formation of many REQUIRED life compounds.
If all the molecules of gas in a roomful of air just happened to collide in such a way that they all were gathered into the lower third of the room, wouldn't that improbable situation explosively revert to something more probable?
Versions of Psalms from "Monkeys with Typewriters" wouldn't detonate whenever a word was formed but isn't that the situation with many of the compounds in life?
I heard that ATP, the universal molecule of metabolism, is virtual rocket fuel that CANNOT exist outside of a living cell and its complex biochemical machinery to keep it in check.
Don't certain things in the cell involve chemical energy thresholds that are uncrossable without pre-existing life?
I would recommend Dr Carl Wieland's talk Understanding the Law of Decay for clarifying the probability arguments about randomness of gases, etc.
The formation of ATP and many other necessary chemicals are huge problems for materialists. And without enzymes, which only come from living cells, some reactions necessary for life are so slow that they will never happen, even given billions of years. For a summary of some of the insurmountable problems for abiogenesis, see 15 loopholes in the evolutionary theory of the origin of life: Summary.
Maybe creationists should be tackling probabilities from a different starting point. Shouldn't a comparison be made between the probability of life forming by natural processes and the probability of life forming through intelligence means?
I am not a mathematician but is it possible to calculate probabilities on intelligence forming life given the type of complexity; the order of things; the parallel of things, etc.?
Once you factor in intelligence, then the impossible can become probable or even certain, depending on what event we are talking about. Intelligent design is the antithesis of chance and when we see events that defy a chance explanation we can quickly, intuitively, logically deduce that intelligence was involved. For example, if you were given a hand of 10 cards which turned out to be all hearts from Ace down to 5, you would wonder if intelligence might have been involved in dealing you those cards. If this happened three times in a row, the conclusion would be inescapable.
These types of logical conclusions are made daily in our lives; distinguishing chance processes from intelligence. It is only when it comes to concluding that the intelligence involved must have been much greater than ours (God) that people get weak in the knees and start babbling irrationally with nonsense such as 'given enough time anything is possible' and such like
How could anyone calculate the probability of something happening when intelligence is involved; how could that be done when the intelligence of God is obviously huge but non-quantifiable? Experts once said that heavier than air flight was impossible, but they underestimated the intelligence of the Wright Brothers (and others who contributed).
My hero on the research into Infinite Improbability is not Charles Darwin, Richard Dawkins or Sir David Attenborough. That accolade belongs to Douglas Adams and his book Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy. While Douglas Adams was writing a science fiction comedy, the others sadly are serious! Of course in the spirit of evolutionary process the Infinite Improbability Drive appeared by lucky chance out of thin air, from the book:-
"The infinite improbability drive is a wonderful new method of crossing interstellar distances in a mere nothingth of a second, without all that tedious mucking about in hyperspace. It was discovered by lucky chance, and then developed into a governable form of propulsion by the Galactic Government's research center on Damogran."
...Another thing they couldn't stand was the perpetual failure they encountered while trying to construct a machine which could generate the infinite improbability field needed to flip a spaceship across the mind-paralyzing distances between the farthest stars, and at the end of the day they grumpily announced that such a machine was virtually impossible.
Then, one day, a student who had been left to sweep up after a particularly unsuccessful party found himself reasoning in this way: If, he thought to himself, such a machine is a virtual impossibility, it must have finite improbability. So all I have to do in order to make one is to work out how exactly improbable it is, feed that figure into the finite improbability generator, give it a fresh cup of really hot tea... and turn it on!
He did this and was rather startled when he managed to create the long sought after golden Infinite Improbability generator."
A cell is a very complex thing. No one in their right mind would expect it to spring out of nothing. It's the same with the empire state building (or, in case you say that has a designer - a sand dune). They are built from smaller blocks.
That was Hoyle's mistake.
At any rate, I am prepared to accept (not believe) the evidence (not "evidences") of many years study by many people much more intelligent than I am which suggests life's origin in slime (or whatever). We may never know (so what) for sure but I prefer my view to the simple rather sweet, I guess, decision to leave it all to the Bible.
Miracles anyone?
I was not aware that the Empire State Building built itself from randomly throwing blocks together. Hurricane?
But this also reveals a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of a living cell; it is not just an assemblage of similar blocks.
The only 'mistake' that Holye made was to overstate the probability of life forming. From what is known today, the probability of it happening is even worse. As the article said, even the formation of one average functional protein is beyond possibility, even given billions of years of experiments (see the calculations in Who created God?
I don't know of any evidence that life came from slime. Your "(or whatever)" gives it away. You will believe anything, even the impossible, rather than believe that God was responsible. BTW, you don't have to read far in the secular literature on the origin of life to see that the researchers have little idea of how life could have formed. It is such a problem that some atheists are trying to claim that evolution does not include the origin of life (they don't want to have to defend the idea).
"Miracles anyone?" Yes, indeed, atheists have to believe in miracles such as the origin of the universe from nothing with no cause and the origin of life without adequate cause. The Christian at least has an adequate cause for such things. It takes enormous 'faith' to be an atheist; if you think about it.
Purely out of moronic interest, how do we know "there are about 10^80 (a number with 80 zeros) electrons in the universe"?
We don't 'know', but it is a figure that cosmologists have come up with that is widely accepted. If they are under-estimating it by a factor of 1000, it would make it 1083 atoms.
The figure is just to illustrate just how ridiculously long the odds are against the origin of a cell by chance. As I said, even if every one of those atoms were another universe just like ours, we 'only' have 10160 atoms. The number is still insignificant compared to the odds of getting a cell. Even one average-sized protein is a huge problem.
Chance is not a living thing; it is a non-entity. Something that is not living cannot impart life.
Chance can only exist and operate as a 'cog' in an already established system and only within that systems' established physical laws.
"But time and chance happen to them all." Ecclesiastes 9:11
What an incredible enjoyment to read. Only Christ Himself is more enjoyable!
Just a 'slight' bit of hyperbole here! :-)
YEC is satan's best kept secret. If Adam and Eve weren't real then man isn't fallen then Jesus wasn't God. 'Evolution': the lie.


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This has been excerpted from the article Tasty Vegetarian Recipes from Egypt by Marie Henein. Click here to read the full article.
Being raised in an Egyptian family, I soon found out that food was of tremendous importance in our culture. Social and family gatherings were centered around large amounts and various types of food. I found the dishes my mother and grandmothers would prepare quite flavorful and grew up always adding lots of spices to whatever I ate. Spices common to Egyptian foods include cumin, garlic, onion, and allspice, and the list goes on and on.
My family is Christian — Coptic Orthodox to be exact. This was one of the earliest forms of Christianity and was the religion of the country until the Arab invasions. Many of the following recipes have been passed down from generation to generation.
The Coptic church believes in partial fasting almost 200 days of every year. During about 60 of those days, the members eat a completely vegan diet. The remaining days they are permitted to eat fish, but no other animals or animal products. The reasons behind the fasting vary by interpretation. They look to stories in the Bible for the reasoning behind the fasts.
According to the Coptic interpretation of the Bible, when God first created the world, he gave humans only vegetables as food. It was only later, when people multiplied and became sinful, that God permitted them to eat animals, only because it was in accordance with their sinful behavior. Therefore, the Copts believe humans survived for a great length of time without eating animals. In an effort to purify themselves and to make a sacrifice to God, they give up the eating of animals during these 60 days. The Copts consider the vegan food they eat during fasts to be a sacrifice because they consider such food less appetizing and less nutritious.
A tremendous number of vegan dishes were created for the fasting periods. However, when I became a vegetarian, I realized that these recipes were neither a sacrifice of flavor nor of nutritional value. I have recently become vegan and am truly thankful for all the delicious vegan recipes I am able to enjoy from my culture. Please note, however, that some of my favorite Egyptian recipes were originally prepared with meats, but I have found that they are delicious when prepared without meat.
Less Common Ingredients
Fava Beans
Sometimes called broad beans. Can be found canned in Middle Eastern and some regular grocery stores. Progresso makes canned fava beans. Canned fava beans may also be ordered through the mail by calling the Near East Bakery in Baltimore at (410) 254-8970 Monday-Saturday between 8-6 EST. They will ship via UPS and payments are C.O.D.
Grape Leaves
Can be found in Greek or Middle Eastern specialty stores. Some large grocery stores carry them in the ethnic foods section or they may be found near the section where pickles are sold. They are difficult to order by mail because they almost always come in glass jars.
(Serves 6)
This is a typical dish prepared during fasts. You can substitute one layer of cooked elbow macaroni for a layer of rice.
2 cups uncooked brown or white rice
1 pound lentils
2 Tablespoons vegetable oil, divided
1 Tablespoon crushed garlic
Two 16-ounce cans of tomato sauce
1/2 cup water
1/4 cup vinegar
1 medium onion
Cook rice according to directions. Rinse lentils and put them in a pot, covering them with water, and bring to a boil. Then simmer on low heat until almost all water is absorbed and lentils are well cooked. Add extra water if longer time is needed. To make the sauce, first saute the garlic in 1 Tablespoon oil until golden. Add both cans of tomato sauce and simmer 10-15 minutes. Add water and vinegar and bring to a boil. Remove from heat immediately and add salt to taste. Finally, slice onion in thin, small pieces and saute in remaining 1 Tablespoon oil until brown and crispy.
This dish should be arranged as a layer of lentils (on the bottom), followed by a layer of rice, then another layer of lentils and another layer of rice. Sprinkle the onions and the sauce on top before serving.
Total Calories Per Serving: 563
Fat: 7 grams
(Makes about 40 leaves)
This recipe for grape leaves has been passed down through my family. Ground lamb is the ingredient I've omitted.
1 cup uncooked basmati brown or traditional white rice
(traditionally prepared with white)
2 large tomatoes, chopped
1 medium onion, chopped
1/4 cup chopped parsley
1 Tablespoon vegetable oil
Juice of 1 lemon
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon pepper
1/4 teaspoon allspice
One 16 oz jar of grape leaves
1 cup tomato sauce
2 cups water
Round sliced carrots, frozen or fresh
(enough to cover the bottom of a 3 quart pot,
approximately 15 carrot slices, depending on their size)
Mix all ingredients except grape leaves, tomato sauce, water, and carrots in a bowl. Remove grape leaves from jar, unfold, and rinse with water. Place grape leaves with the rough side up, one at a time, on a large, flat plate. Be sure that the pointy parts of the leaf are directed away from you and the flatter edges and stem are towards you. Place one teaspoon of the mixture on the bottom of the leaf, near the stem, and arrange it lengthwise using your fingers. First roll the flat edges near the stem upwards and tuck them slightly under the filling. Then applying pressure to keep the leaves rolled tightly, tuck one side at a time of the two parts of the leaf pointing outwards. Now, roll the rest of the way upwards still applying pressure to keep the leaf tight.
Cook sliced carrots in water until tender. Cover the bottom layer of a large pot with these carrots. Begin layering the stuffed leaves above the carrots and be sure that they are packed tightly together; otherwise they may fall apart during cooking. Each layer of leaves should be in varying directions across the pot. Pour the tomato sauce and water over the leaves and bring the sauce to a boil. Reduce heat to medium, and place a flat plate (glass or stoneware) upside down over the top layer of leaves, and press down as hard as you can. Leave the plate in place during cooking. Cover the pot with its cover as well, and cook for 40-45 minutes. Check one leaf to see if rice has cooked fully. Serve warm.
Total Calories Per Stuffed Grape Leaf: 27
Fat: 1 gram
(Serves 5)
My mother's recipe for a light, tasty potato salad.
2-1/2 pounds red potatoes
1/2 cup chopped parsley
1 clove garlic, minced
Juice of 2 lemons
1 Tablespoon vegetable oil
Salt and pepper to taste
Boil potatoes, and cool. Add remaining ingredients and mix well. Chill and serve.
Total Calories Per Serving: 197
Fat: 3 grams
(Serves 4-6)
This is a delightful salad for summertime.
One 16-ounce bag frozen French cut green beans
One 16-ounce can black eyed peas
2 large ripe tomatoes, chopped
1/2 cup chopped parsley
4 entire scallions, chopped
Juice of 2 lemons
1 Tablespoon vegetable oil
Salt and pepper to taste
Steam and drain the green beans and allow them to cool completely. Drain and rinse the black eyed peas. Combine all ingredients and mix well. May be served chilled.
Total Calories Per Serving: 233
Fat: 5 grams
(Serves 4)
A delicious dish from my grandmother that is traditionally prepared with ground beef, which I omitted.
1 medium onion, chopped
1 Tablespoon vegetable oil
2 garlic cloves, chopped
2 Tablespoons chopped fresh dill
One 15-ounce can tomato sauce
10 ounces frozen, thawed spinach
1/2 cup water
Salt and pepper to taste
Saute onions in oil. Add garlic and dill to saucepan and continue to saute for two minutes. Add tomato sauce and bring to a boil. Simmer for 10 minutes on low heat. Add spinach and water, then bring to a boil again. Cover and simmer on low heat for 15 minutes. Serve warm over cooked rice.
Total Calories Per Serving: 94
Fat: 4 grams
(Serves 4)
This way of preparing fava beans, which are commonly eaten as a breakfast food in Egypt, is my uncle's recipe. The ingredients tend to be common for the dish but may be varied in their quantities.
One 16-ounce can cooked fava beans
1 large onion, chopped
1 large tomato, diced
1-1/2 Tablespoons olive oil
1 teaspoon cumin powder
1/4 cup parsley, chopped
Juice of 2 lemons
Salt, pepper, and red chili pepper to taste
Pita bread (optional)
Pour the beans into a pot and bring to a boil. Mix them well and add remaining ingredients. Bring to a boil again, then reduce to medium heat and cook for about 5 minutes. This dish is usually eaten with pita bread.
Total Calories Per Serving: 160
Fat: 6 grams


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Vodafone, Optus outages frustrate users
Vodafone and Optus customers are back online today after country-wide outages left them unable to make calls, send text messages or use data for hours on Thursday.
According to a statement from Vodafone, services in Western Australia were originally affected by a "transmission network failure" at 11am, despite reports that some customers were having issues as early as 9am.
As the network team attempted to alleviate the issues at around 1pm, Vodafone says "problems occurred which had an impact on the network nationally".
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In a blog post Thursday night Vodafone's Chief Technology Officer Benoit Hanssen promised all customers a free weekend of mobile data in apology.
"We know our customers had a less than perfect network experience today and we want them to know we're sorry. We want to make good by offering them unlimited data access all weekend," Hanssen said.
The unlimited data will be available to Vodafone customers from midnight Friday until 3am Monday.
Optus customers were also affected by the outage from around 3pm, and were still reporting issues as late as 7pm. Optus is yet to issue an official statement, but took to twitter to apologise for "any inconvenience caused".
The issue also affected customers who use telcos linked to Optus' network, such as Amaysim and Virgin Mobile.
Neither Optus nor Vodafone were able say to say how many people were affected by the outages.
Customers reported not being to make or receive phone calls, experiencing poor quality and not being able to use data.
An Optus spokeswoman at the time said it was unclear what had caused the network to go down.
"We're still trying to make sure everyone is being look after. That's the priority and at this point we're not entirely sure when it will all be fixed and wrapped up."
Hundreds of frustrated users took to social media to express their annoyance.
Vodafone's Twitter help page responded to users by telling them the company was working hard to "get it fixed up ASAP so sit tight".
Mother of two children Fran Rimrod said she was at home with a sick baby when she discovered her Vodafone mobile was not working.
"To just lose your service without being told - that's appalling. People rely on that," Ms Rimrod said.
"My other daughter's on the way to hospital with my partner and it would have been nice to call them to see how they are going."
Ms Rimrod tried to contact Vodafone and was frustrated when she did not receive a response.
"What's the problem with sending people an email or a message on Twitter or Facebook? We live in an information age, there are ways to tell people," she said.
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Team of outsiders. Basically there are only 5 teams in that league which are really competitive, others are potential wins for Val's team. This one is not an exception.
L. Rytas wins 107-55.
JV with a big game:
22 points
8/10 fg
6/6 ft
11 rebounds
2 ast
0 stl
2 blk
2 to
1 foul
35 efficiency.
Anyone aware of issues with JV's knees? He is wearing some clunky Bosh-like leg attire.
I love how JV just punishes inferior players. That should give him the confidence to play a really good game in the NBA even as a rookie. I'd love to see JV on the all-rookie team next year, or be a ROY candidate... doing that against the 2012 draft stud machine would be fantastic.
Palanga, the team they played, is hosted by a town of ~20,000 people. It's a seaside resort town. Pretty sleepy this time of year. So I wouldn't expect them to be able to pay the greatest players.
I do like the fact that JV seems to be the fastest person back to his end of the court on his team, even against a team of this calibre. I like to see that work ethic.
Another blowout win for L. Rytas - 106-65.
JV's statline:
19 points
7/7 fg
5/7 ft
6 rebs
1 ast
0 stl
0 blk
0 to
27 efficiency
Certainly the competition can be questioned. However if we diminish JV's accomplishments against inferior competition, one must do the same when top players for UNC, Kentucky, Syracuse, etc. are playing against teams like Nicholls State, Elon, Mississippi Valley State, Radford, Portland, Samford, Loyola (MD), Manhattan, Bucknell, Fordham, etc.
Personally I think he would be top 5 (but I am biased). I would think top 10 for sure. Athletic 6'11"/7'0" with his skill set and motor are not common.
Good centers are rare, and everyone needs one. JV is possibly the second best center (next to Drummond) in the 2012 draft class. If the top 3 are Davis, Drummond and Barnes.. then JV could be 4th. However it also depends on what happens after the NCAA tournament where someone can get hot like Kidd-Gilchrist, Miller, Sullinger, Lamb, Jones, etc.
Those last three games were against Lithuanian league bottom teams, so right, not strongest opponents. Next year they are starting with 3 games against really strong teams. And looking to a further schedule, it seems to be filled with high level VTB and Eurocup games for them, especially since Eurocup reached second stage, where bottom teams were removed.
So JV still has chance to up his value for an upcoming fantasy draft, or screw it down
JV with another strong showing helping L. Rytas send Spartak of St. Petersberg, Russia home with their first loss of the season winning 72-61.
JV statline:
14 pts
4/8 fg
6/6 ft
11 reb (4 offensive)
2 asts
0 stl
4 blk
3 to
3 pf
27:50 minutes
JV needs a little more lift in his jump. When he goes in for a dunk he's only a few inches off the floor.
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Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by SimpleLogic, Nov 13, 2012.
Which version of the Doctor the Doctor liked being?
He stated in "Time Crash" that Five was his favourite and that he loved being him.
That may have just been 10's opinion, though.
After all, 11 carries around 1's library card!
I guess the answer varies and depends on which version of the doctor you ask ;-)
Even Six hated being Six though...
got to be a douche all the time
The Valleyard desperately wanted to be him
Isn't that technically speaking still the Dcotor's library card?
Exactly. Ten fondly remembered being Five, while Six was relieved to no longer be Five.
Third and Second bickered like an old married couple, and First looked on both with disdain.
The Doctor isn't generally a fan of himself. I think Ten liking Five is the exception.
I think this is a very hard question to answer, as its unlikely you will ever have all the Doctors in one form, being able to speak for all of them.
When it aired, the Doctor clone in The Almost People, seemed to not like being Ten, saying "weve moved on" (or similar)
What an almost meaningless question. But I'll say The Eighth Doctor, for the joy he felt wearing those shoes.
The First did seem to take a shine to Five, IMHO, in The Five Doctors
And...The Master seems to have been sweet on them all, except maybe 1, 2, (Yes, The 5 Doctors and schoolmates) 9 and 11.
The one consistent thing is that, once he got past the first couple and had a choice, the current Doctor's least favourite incarnation tends to be the previous one.
I think we need to look at this from a timey wimey perspective. When all's said and done, when all his past and future regenerations are considered there really is only one choice for which Doctor he loved being the most....
The ginger one
4 and 10 seemed to have the most difficulty coming to terms with their impending regenerations. This may be partly because both knew in advance that the end was near, but they both seemed to really like the time they were having and didn't want to go. Others like 3, 5 or 9 seemed resolved to their fate.
And 2!
You are correct, Sir!
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I recently bought and installed Zone Alarm Securtiy Suite 2007 on a computer I've just put together
in my home network only to find some combination of the zone alarm program and the D-Link DI-604, rev E1, fw 3.53
causes the router to lock up, unable to even access the router menu settings on 192.168.0.1 from any computer.
Everytime the computer with
ZA software boots it happens.
I can disable zone alarm software and then reset the router to
get the network working again, but as soon as I turn the software back on, router locked again.
I've tried turning off ZA firewall and program control, with no luck and don't see anything else to try.
searched the forum and found references to an old problem with Zone Alarm logic included with the D-Link router, but that was from years ago.
Was this issue never fixed?
Why would it still happen with a new (newest?) version of ZA anyway???I tried messing with router settings to make sure Zone Alarm Pro option was disabled and tried adding LAN clients exemption for certain IP range, but neither option made a difference.
One of the old posts from years ago mentioned loading an older firmware version to the router to avoid the included ZA firmware, but that seems ridiculous.
If this problem really has been around for years why has neither D-Link or Checkpoint fixed it, let alone it being included in the recent (2007) software version.
I'm very annoyed that my 'new' security software has an issue with my 'old' router.
If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it.
Note: below it requests "Software Version", but doesn't say what software.
Assume it means zone alarms version, but I'm not sure as I can't start ZA without loosing internet and box/CD only says 2007, no version
6.0, 7.0, 7.1, etc.
So I just guessed version 7.0.
Here's the older thread that seems like the same problem I'm having, even though it's ZA P 6, not ZA ISS 2007:http://forums.zonealarm.org/zonelabs...ssage.id=21819
Operating System:
Windows XP Pro
Software Version:
Product Name:
ZoneAlarm Internet Security Suite
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Sorry pal, I've no idea of how to do it. Try asking the nvidia forums (the link is at the bottom of the page of the guide)Originally Posted by blastus
Sorry pal, I've no idea of how to do it. Try asking the nvidia forums (the link is at the bottom of the page of the guide)Originally Posted by blastus
Ok try this command (let's make another symlink):Originally Posted by linuxa
sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/kdm /etc/rc2.d/S21kdm
Then restart your computer.
Tell me if it works
OK, I finally got this solved.
Effectively for my Toshiba Laptop with the Gefore4 420GO, the nv drivers that came with Ubuntu worked fine except for 3d acceleration (and it was somewhat laggy). But neither the nvidia-glx nor the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com wanted to display the 1024x768 resolution native to my laptop. Both opting to go with 800x600 each and every time.
After examining the the xorg log /var/log/Xorg.0.log line by line, I found that the EDID reported by the laptop was identifying the screen width as 969 (it was auto-correcting the horizontal & vertical refresh rates I entered as well), basically telling the driver that width of 1024 wouldn't fit.
It all worked out after I put the line:
Option "IgnoreEDID" "true"
in the Device section in xorg.conf. Basically telling X to trust the figures in xorg.conf instead what EDID comes back with.
Beware that the above option could be dangerous if you haven't set your xorg.conf correctly, it could potentially mess up your X when you start (read: black or warped display). So please careful if you intend to use this option.
Also the above option will only work for the nvidia driver. nvidia-glx doesn't have this option as far as I'm aware (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
And for anyone wanting to upgrade their drivers. It soooo pays to back up your xorg.conf before you start.
I've had many situations where I've uninstalled either of the nvidia drivers and X refused to boot to X using the default nv driver (even know the driver file was still where it's suppose to be). In those situations I've had to restore the xorg.conf to its original state and reboot to revert back to my pre-change status.
All in all, a very lengthy exercise. But well worth the fact that I can now play tuxracer with no lag
A big thank you goes out to the thread originator - tseliot)
p.s. for those wishing to install nvidia-glx instructions could be found at www.ubuntuguide.org
Last edited by linuxa; August 20th, 2005 at 12:06 PM.
I don't understand.....
I did all the steps in the how-to, but the installation still fails. It gives an error message about my source files are not the ones used to compile my original kernel. I have used Synaptic to install the right ones for my kernel, but they don't work. Why does this have to be so hard?
First, make sure you don't have installed nvidia-glx from repos and remove /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx.Originally Posted by kwid21
Second, you have to install kernel-headers according to your kernel. Type
sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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Same error. The error is cannot locate kernel module 'nvidia.ko'
Here's the terminal dialouge for getting the headers:
root@ubuntu:~ # sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
Writing extended state information... Done
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
root@ubuntu:~ #
could you give me a more complete output of the error ( "The error is cannot locate kernel module 'nvidia.ko'" is not enough for me) you can find it in "/var/log/" it should be a file called "Nvidia log" or something (I don't recall its name). Please post it.Originally Posted by kwid21
Had to format and reinstall because I could not get back to the desktop. I guess I start from scratch AGAIN (this is like my 6th install of Ubuntu in 2 days trying to just update my video drivers) and I have been trying to update my video drivers for 2 weeks trying 6 different distros in the process.
I think I got it now. It said that the driver install was successful, then I edited my xorg.conf and restarted X. The Nvidia logo splash screen went up, and brought me to the desktop. Is there a way to test if it is installed correctly?
Type ' glxinfo | grep rendering'. If yes, all ok.Originally Posted by kwid21
btw what do you say 'glxgears'?
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Arsène Wenger has backed the German, who is in Joachim Löw's sights, to shine for Arsenal and go to the World Cup
As one World Cup door closes abruptly, the handle twitches on another. Theo Walcott may be absorbing the blow of a tournament lost, but for Serge Gnabry the opportunity to force an unexpected route to Brazil has widened.
A relative newcomer to the Arsenal scene, who is enjoying a breakthrough season which promises more action in the weeks ahead, the 18-year-old German has been tipped by Arsène Wenger to make his nation's World Cup squad. "There is more than a small chance. There's a big chance," notes his club manager.
Such an idea might resonate uneasily for those who never felt comfortable with Walcott's inclusion in the party for the 2006 World Cup as a 17-year-old, with no Premier League experience. As it happens, Joachim Löw has been monitoring Gnabry, and likes what he sees sufficiently to say he remains "open" to considering him for a promotion to the national team's elite squad. There is some suggestion that the Ivory Coast are keen to cap him in time for Brazil (he has an Ivorian father and German mother), which adds a potential twist to the situation.
Surely it would still require a Gnabry-shaped explosion in north London during the rest of the season for the boy Bild dubbed a "miracle bubi" to force his way into Löw's World Cup plans? Wenger believes it is entirely possible.
The chance to shine more frequently than was perhaps the plan has opened up with Walcott's cruciate injury. Gnabry, a gifted sprinter who says he never lost a race in his youth, is the player best equipped to replace Walcott's pace for Arsenal.
Wenger was keen for restraint when discussing the boy's talent after he excelled with a blend of speed and composure in Arsenal's victory over Tottenham in the FA Cup. "Let's not make superstars with one game," he cautioned. But a few days down the line, he felt able to expand on what Gnabry is capable of. "He has a lot in the locker," says Wenger. "We are looking at a guy who has great pace, good individual talent, can pass people, is a good finisher who can finish right and left as he is two-footed, and he has a very good football brain, with good vision." The list is so exhaustive it is hard to figure out areas of weakness.
Inconsistency comes with the territory for young players finding their way in the game. Wenger hopes that he can find the right balance between giving Gnabry the game-time to flourish while reducing pressure by using him carefully. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Santi Cazorla, Tomas Rosicky and Aaron Ramsey are all options for the right-hand side of the attack vacated by Walcott, so Gnabry need not be over-burdened by responsibilities.
Nevertheless, he will have chances and is eager to seize them. "I'm hoping to get some game-time," Gnabry told Arsenal Player. "I'm patient, and I will keep trying to show the manager what I am capable of. I am enjoying every minute on the pitch. The players are nice to me. They help me out. That helps you to improve."
His progress has accelerated fast since he arrived at Arsenal in 2011. Gnabry, who had been with VfB Stuttgart since boyhood, was spotted by Arsenal's scout in the region and was invited to a trial at London Colney at the age of 15. He blossomed, and at the end of the week played in an under-16s match at Charlton where his display confirmed the hunches that Arsenal were on to something. Then came the difficult part of dealing with his hometown club, who were not exactly enthusiastic to see him go. As a free agent, Gnabry was allowed to make what is always a momentous decision, to uproot and relocate overseas.
It helped that he spoke excellent English even before he packed his bags, and that his family accompanied him to London, where they set up a new home. He is not the first young German to be tempted by a Premier League move. Moritz Volz had made the same journey to Arsenal aged 16.
Sebastian Kneissl joined Chelsea's youth system in 2000, though never played for the first team.
The business of prising teenage footballers away from their home nations remains a contentious one. Whatever the compensation, no club is content to hand over an asset they have been polishing.
Wenger always considers any disagreements are generally worth having. When it works – as it did to memorable effect with Nicolas Anelka and Cesc Fábregas despite Paris Saint-Germain and Barcelona expressing their frustrations – Wenger is only too ready to play talent he regards as brilliant beyond its years. He feels that way about Gnabry. "I am not afraid with him. Until now when I played him he has always had an impact on the game," Wenger adds.
Gnabry has the benefit of a large German community at his club to give him extra back-up. Training alongside Mesut Özil, Lukas Podolski and Per Mertesacker ensures that he has plenty of experienced players on hand to guide him during a critical moment of his career. Gnabry is at the delicate stage where he is trying to leap from fringe to establishment.
Wenger thinks he is ready. Löw, and his assistant Hansi Flick, are watching on with interest.


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Summaries of EU Legislation
Summaries of EU legislation: direct access to the main summaries page.
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European Security and Defence College (ESDC)
The European Security and Defence College (ESDC) is a network of educational establishments responsible for providing training to civilian and military personnel in the field of European Security and Defence Policy (ESDP), promoting a common understanding of that policy and disseminating best practice in this area.
Council Joint Action 2008/550/CFSP of 23 June 2008 establishing a European Security and Defence College (ESDC) and repealing Joint Action 2005/575/CFSP.
The European Security and Defence College is organised as a network bringing together institutes, colleges, academies and universities dealing with security and defence policy issues, including the European Union Institute for Security Studies (EUISS).
High-level training in the field of ESDP
The task of the ESDC is to provide training in the field of European Security and Defence Policy at the strategic level in order to promote a common understanding of the ESDP among civilian and military personnel and to disseminate best practice in this area.
ESDC training activities consist of three types of training: the High-Level Course, the Orientation Course and courses for specialised audiences or with specific focus.
All ESDC training activities are open to civilian or military personnel dealing with strategic aspects in the field of ESDP, nationals of all Member States, acceding countries, candidate countries and, where appropriate, third countries. Non-governmental organisations, academic institutions and the media, as well as representatives of the business community, may be invited to participate in ESDC training activities. Participants who have completed all of the ESDC courses shall receive a certificate signed by the Secretary-General, High Representative for the ESDP and recognised by the Member States and institutions of the European Union.
The ESDC pursues the following objectives:
- to enhance the European security culture within ESDP;
- to promote a better understanding of ESDP;
- to provide European Union bodies, Member States' administrations and staff with personnel qualified in the field;
- to help promote professional relations and contacts among training participants.
Organisation and funding
The joint action sets up three bodies to manage the network:
- a Steering Committee responsible for the overall coordination and direction of the training activities of the ESDC;
- an Executive Academic Board, which ensures the quality and coherence of the training activities;
- a permanent ESDC Secretariat, responsible for assisting the other two bodies.
Each Member State, each EU institution or EU agency and each institute forming the ESDC network bears all costs related to its participation in ESDC, including salaries, allowances, travel expenses and costs related to organisational and administrative support of ESDC training activities.
On 19 and 20 June 2003, at its meeting in Thessaloniki, the European Council endorsed the development of a coordinated EU training policy regarding European Security and Defence Policy (ESDP). The European Security and Defence College was created on 18 July 2005 by Joint Action 2005/575/ESDP. On 21 December 2007, pursuant to Article 13 of that Joint Action, the Steering Committee presented a report on the activities and perspectives of the ESDC. On 18 March 2008, in the light of that report, the Political and Security Committee (PSC) asked the Council to amend the Joint Action.
This Joint Action shall be reviewed and revised as appropriate no later than 31 December 2011.
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Q. Asked via twitter:
Can they recognize a Coldplay fan by distance without them even showing it?
I noticed you tweeted that you flooded Coldplay with questions and said you knew you had no hope of an answer.
You can't tell who is a Coldplay fan just by looking unless they are wearing a band t-shirt or customized clothes. Obviously if they are at a gig they're easier to spot.
That said, there are fans that the band recognize by sight. Myself, staff and crew also spot people who we have seen before at various gigs, TV show tapings etc. Some we know by name.


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It's been hard to find a fashionista who doesn't have a wrist full of bracelets the last few seasons. Part luxury, part junk, part gifts — all sentimental — the stacked wrist has become a style tattoo. It's the place to gleefully combine your mother's hand-me-down baubles with a trio of those friendship bracelets you bought in Costa Rica for 10 cents during Spring break, the love bracelet your best friend gave you, and costume jewelry from J. Crew. We tracked down some stackable bracelets, but keep in mind that you can always get a head start by buying some string and making your own. Lastly, these are truly the best gifts to give your friends, hence the name.
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Tim Cook offers many interesting theories as to why the tablet market is growing, but iPad sales are shrinking
showering shareholders with $90B USD cash
via a 7-to-1 stock split -- just over half of Apple's roughly $170B USD cash pile (including fiscal Q2 2014 profit and long term investments) -- sent shares of Apple, Inc. (
) rising and investors humming a happy tune, one part of Apple's earnings report unsettled analysts.
I. Asked About Slow Sales, Office, Tim Cook Chides Microsoft for Slow Launch
The iPad had sold:
Q2 2013 (Jan.-Mar. 2013): 19.5 million
Q1 2014 (Oct.-Dec. 2013): 26 million
Q2 2014 (Jan.-Mar. 2014): 16.35 million
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice the trend there -- sales of the iPad, the world's most popular tablet computer, have hit a slump after a strong holiday season. Combined with basically flat quarterly Mac computer sales and weak iPhone growth (~17% on a year-to-year basis) by Apple's standards, and this red flag becomes even noisier.
Apple CEO Tim Cook
offered a somewhat odd non-sequitur in that he simultaneously praised rival Microsoft Corp. (
) for its high profile launch of
an Office 365 app for the iPad
, yet also seemed to perhaps imply that Microsoft's "slowness" to release that app had hurt the iPad.
iPad sales are in the doldrums because of Microsoft Office?
During the earnings call's Q&A segment UBS Securities (UBS AG (
)) Steven Milunovich asked Tim Cook about the slow iPad sales, perhaps nudging him towards the Microsoft Office tie in. He
Tim, I understand that the iPad is not as weak as it appears on a sell-through basis, but still it's relatively flat over the last year in terms of sell-through. What are your thoughts in terms of why that is and can that accelerate with Office on the iPad going forward?
Tim Cook, Apple CEO [Image Source: Mashable]
He responds:
Office; I believe does help. It's very unclear to say how much. I believe if it would have been done earlier, it would have been even better for Microsoft frankly, there is a lots of alternatives out there from a productivity point of view, some of which we brought to the market, some of which many, many innovative companies have brought. But I do see that Office is still a very key franchise in the enterprise, in particular. I think having it on iPad is good, and I wholeheartedly welcome Microsoft to the App Store to sell Office. Our customers are clearly responding in a good way that it's available.
The response sort of makes sense, but one must wonder what good it does to complain about Microsoft not having released the software earlier. Apple, of course,
offers its own first-party solution iWork
for the iPad.
Tim Cook did try to emphasize the strong points of the iPad's sales. He emphasized in another part of his lengthy, winding response that the iPad had sold 210 million total units to date. He remarks:
When I backup from iPad, here is what I see. It absolutely has been the fastest growing product in Apple's history, and it's been the only product that we've ever made that was instantly a hit in three of our key markets, from consumer to business including the enterprise and education.
He also pointed to that Apple had a
95 percent market share in educational deployments
Microsoft's free giveaways
, apparently), and that 98 percent of the Fortune 500 were using the iPad in some way.
II. Cook Offers Vague Aspersion About Hybrids
Other parts of Tim Cook's response were also somewhat odd and defensive, though. He seemed to imply that Apple's slump to 46 percent of the tablet market sales in the U.S. was the result of miscategorization.
Presumbably he's talking about hybrid form factors
Microsoft's Surface 2
or the numerous transformable tablet computers that run Google Inc.'s (
) Android operating system.
Tim Cook doesn't believe hybrid tablets are really tablets.
But he fails to ever really explain what he means, stating:
In the retail market, if you look at the U.S. as a proxy, the NPD numbers for March just came out a few days ago and we had 46% share and embedded in that 46%, there's a lot of things in there that I personally wouldn't put in the same category as iPad, and that are weighing the share down. It's certainly a market we wouldn't play in and in a type of product you would never see an Apple brand on.
Perhaps Tim Cook has learned a lesson from public blowback over comments from the late CEO Steve Jobs that
seemed to imply smaller tablet and larger phone form factors were useless
. Perhaps by keeping his complaints as vague as possible, if Apple later sees a strategic advantage in making, say, a hybrid tablet, he won't face quite as resounding a "told you so" from critics. But the alternative -- making such vague and bitter complaints -- seems almost worse that Steve Jobs' approach.
III. Apple Still Struggling to Figure Out Supply and Demand Balance Under Cook
The other parts of the Q&A were equally cryptic.
As he did with the iPhone 5C miss
in Q1 2014 (Oct.-Dec. 2013) he blamed some sort of overproduction (or underproduction?) scenario. He
iPad sales came in at the high end of our expectations, but we realized they were below analysts' estimates and I would like to proactively address why we think there was a difference. We believe almost all of the difference can be explained by two factors. First, in the March quarter last year we significantly increased iPad channel inventory, while this year we significantly reduced it. Luca will go into more detail about this later.
It makes sense that Apple would balance supply and demand but Mr. Cook's wording is troublingly ambiguous. He could be alluding that Apple underproduced to try to avoid excess inventory. Or his comment could perhaps allude to drops in price of some models. But that would be yet another non-sequitur as if anything you'd expect lower prices would stoke more sales. Or perhaps he's saying that Apple overproduced in Q2 2013 and sold the iPad at lower prices to try to temporarily reduce excess inventory resulting in a somewhat artificial temporary jump in Q2 2013 iPad sales?
He perhaps hints at the latter possibility in Q2 2013's earnings call, in which he stated (the grammar is a bit odd, possibly garbled by Morningstar's transcription):
These compares are made further challenging until we anniversary the launch of the iPad mini, which as you know we strategically priced at a lower margin.
The phrase to note is "strategically priced".
iPad mini with Retina Display
If he was telling investors something in his first point, they shouldn't expect much from his second point which basically repeats his first point
about supply-demand imbalance
in Q2 2013 versus a more balanced Q2 2014.
He continues:
Second, we ended the December quarter last year with a substantial backlog of iPad mini that was subsequently shipped in the March quarter whereas we ended the December quarter this year near supply demand balance. We continue to believe that the tablet market will surpass the PC market in size within the next few years, and we believe that Apple will be a major beneficiary of this trend.
The final part of that response it really peculiar, in that it seemingly casts Apple in a very negative light. His comment doesn't really speak to the iPad sales slump at all -- if anything it highlights its severity by clearly stating that the market Apple is competing in is growing, but Apple's sales in that market are shrinking.
IV. Apple Says It's "Anti-Doing Something That's Not Strategic"
There's plenty of other places where Tim Cook appeared to be on the defensive. In an interview with
The Wall Street Journal
Mr. Cook defended Apple's decision to be less aggressive in terms of acquisitions, instead opting to push the cash out to shareholders (something some shareholders have long been noisily clamoring for).
to Google
and Facebook
, Inc. (
) he comments [sources:
From an acquisition point of view, we've made 24 bids in 18 months, showing that we're on the prowl. Obviously, we're on the prowl. We're not anti- getting a big company. What we're anti- doing is doing something that's not strategic. We're not looking to pay the most and get the most buzz out of it.
(There's a bit of a discrepancy --
reports that Mr. Cook just said that Apple bid on 24 companies, not that it necessarily bought all of them.
The WSJ
report says Apple bought 24 companies.)
Tim Cook sort of seems to insult Google and Facebook's
acquisition strategies in a roundabout way.
Tim Cook also took the opportunity in the Q&A segment to take a potshot at Android. He comments:
I would just add to that, because we are not fragmented like our competition, we can update an OS with a major release and a substantial percentage of our customers will update to our latest software.
While Tim Cook's response to this slump is less than decisive and a bit troubling, it's not necessarily atypical of his reign at Apple. He's earned a reputation for at times offering odd or offensive remarks, such as
his rant about Europe, which he later apologized about
. At times it seems as if Mr. Cook is struggling with the unenviable challenge of running one of the world's most profitable companies, a company that was long regarded as a key trend setter.
So there you have it -- Apple is pure and unfragmented, but shrinking in the fast-growing tablet market. And if you want to know why you have to learn to decode Tim Cook's cryptic comments. Were it Steve Jobs at the helm still, investors would likely receive a blunt -- if perhaps biased -- view on the issue. Instead in the new era of Apple they're left to decode the web of words Apple's new leadership is weaving.
Apple Q2 2014 Earnings Call Q&A on Morningstar
Apple Q2 2014 Earnings Call on Morningstar
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