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As if the announcement of the Rockstar Social Club yesterday wasn't enough, news broke today that GTA IV will also feature a music download service -- the result of a partnership between Rockstar and Amazon.com -- similar to what we've seen from Guitar Hero and Rock Band, except this will be crafted into the GTA gameplay.
The technology, known simply as "ZiT," uses the game's cell phone feature in conjunction with Amazon.com to select and ultimately purchase songs. Essentially after players hear a song that they like -- whether Niko will have a MP3 player or similar device is still unknown, but the radio stations in every car are a given -- they then send a text message to the phone number ZIT-555-0100 and will then receive a message back with the song's title and artist name. Those who signed up for the Social Club will then get an e-mail with a link to their own Amazon.com playlist. The DRM-free -- meaning you can toss them onto your iPod without worrying about legal restrictions -- tracks can be bought for a price of 89-99¢ if you like what you hear in the game. Initially this service will only be available in the United States.
With more than 150 tracks making their way onto GTA IV's soundtrack there should be something for everyone to find and enjoy. The developers have gone on record as saying that they're aiming for a more eclectic gathering of songs, so as to please the diehard music junkies out there. Don't expect to find the 50 Cent or Kanye tracks playing on your pop radio station.
Grand Theft Auto IV launches on April 29 for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. We'll update this story when we get an official comment from Rockstar on the specifics of the download service.


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Entrance ramps onto the Reagan Memorial Tollway (Interstate Highway 88) off of Illinois Hwy. 31 in the Aurora area will reopen over the next week, the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority said.
The eastbound entrance ramp will reopen by 5 a.m. Monday and the westbound ramp will reopen by 5 a.m. Friday, Nov. 21. The ramps have been closed as part of a rebuilding and widening project between the Aurora Plaza and Orchard Road since earlier this year.

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Want to know more about The Brooklyn Dance Festival? Read on! In the interview excerpts below, the 2013 artists talk about the pieces they will be showcasing and the inspiration for their work.
Synthesis Dance Project (Artistic Director: Tracie Stanfield)
Broken Light
"We're performing one of our audience favorites, Broken Light. I prefer to keep the inspiration for my work to myself as I enjoy hearing the audiences' own interpretations. I have found that when I say too much, the audience starts looking for my meaning in the piece instead of enjoying the work and defining their own experience. I will say that the music is fantastic! I always start with letting the music 'tell' me what to do and how to move. The music is a remix by Radiohead – haunting, contagious and very cool."
Derek Mitchell Dance Company (Artistic Director: Derek Mitchell)
I Love You
"I am presenting a piece titled I Love You. The sole inspiration behind the piece is my mother."
The Next Stage Project (Co-Artistic Directors: Marijke Eliasberg & Jana Hicks)
All the Way and Back
"We will present All the Way and Back. It's a physical interpretation of life presenting itself in different challenges — sometimes taking you up, sometimes taking you down. Our philosophy is that whatever the challenge is, all you can do is keep going and enjoy the ride."
Les Femmes Plus (Artistic Director: Germaine Salsberg)
Time Off
"We're performing a new piece called, tentatively called Time Off. The first two sections are set to Dave Brubeck's music, and the third section has been a journey! It's part of a project my husband Artis Smith and I are doing at Brooklyn College, where he is a dance professor. We produce an annual dance concert there and are collaborating with composition students in their Masters program. The composer for my piece, Jack Horowitz, had never composed for tap dance, so we worked together to determine the dramatic images and shape the piece. The result is an unusual but very exciting piece of music — not your typical tap music."
Kristin Sudeikis Dance Company (Artistic Director: Kristin Sudeikis)
Eyes to Serve///Hands to Learn
"We are performing Eyes to Serve///Hands to Learn. This work is derived from unfiltered, raw, real human connection. Becoming fully present with one another in one moment, in one time, in one space — tapping into the effortless electricity that erupts from this very awareness. Recognizing what can happen when we are only here, only now."
R.E.D. (Rhapsody En Dance) (Artistic Director: Rhapsody James)
"The name of the piece we are performing at BDF is called Broken, and it's a piece we're doing in a premiere showcase at the end of May called Human Metabolism. Broken is about the experience of disappointment in a relationship — for example, going through a break-up or discovering an untold truth — and having to deal with wanting to run away from the issue at hand instead of dealing with it."
JKDance Company (Artistic Director: Joyce King)
INternal Seize
"First, I want to say that JKDC is excited to have the opportunity to share the stage with all the amazing dance companies taking part in the Brooklyn Dance Festival! It's very exciting to be part of these performances. The title for our piece is INternal Seize, which will have its world premiere at the Brooklyn Dance Festival. It is an excerpt from a larger piece titled, LISTEn, that will also be having its world premiere on May 11th at The Ailey Citigroup Theater in NYC. The inspiration has always been from those that surround me: headlines, memories, art work, books, the need to express an inner feeling, combined with the personalities of my dancers. The initial urge to create for this excerpt hit me after attending an event. That following week, I walked into rehearsal carrying a combination of objects, not really sure what was going to happen next, but recalling what a dear friend, Miranda Saunders, said to me once: "What if you don't need to have all the answers?" From there our process began."
DeMa Dance Company (Co-Artistic Director: Yesid Lopez)
"I am setting a new creation exploring the influence society has on people — like the necessity of being part of a group or collective and the impact this has on the development of the individual mind in a world ruled by masses."
Brooklyn Dance Festival Company (Artistic Director: Tracie Stanfield)
"The BDF Company is a great opportunity for dancers who are not in a company yet, in between jobs or looking for a performance outlet. The dancers audition and learn the entire piece in two days. It is a 'boot camp' type of experience! We (the board of directors) wanted the Brooklyn Dance Festival to go beyond showcasing the amazing talent on our Festival roster, so we created the BDF Company in order to offer a learning and performance experience to the dance community at large."
To learn more about the Brooklyn Dance Festival or to purchase tickets, visit brooklyndancefestival.org. And check out our Facebook page for the latest Festival news, artist interviews, and more.


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On the first anniversary of Sachin Tendulkar's 100th international 100, here's a look back to the day and the events that followed thereafter.
100 international hundreds. Impossible but true. A testimony to greatness that can never be challenged by even the most ardent critic. Cricket has always celebrated Jack Hobbs scoring 100 first class hundreds. In most debates on the world's best opening batsman ever of all time Hobbs has beaten his other illustrious successors like Sunil Gavaskar to the finish line on the strength of these hundreds in the first class game. They are a testament to his hunger and phenomenal run scoring ability. The difference between first class and international cricket is like chalk and cheese. It is akin to the difference between India playing Kenya and India playing Australia or South Africa on a regular basis. Scoring 100 hundreds in international cricket is a feat that has once and for all set Tendulkar apart from his predecessors, contemporaries and perhaps also from a generation of future greats who haven't yet graced the field of play.
As we celebrate the first anniversary of this unbelievable feat it is time to look back at that very special day in Mirpur, Dhaka and some rather personal memories that followed. It was for me an 'I was there' moment. First, there's little doubt Sachin was going through a really rough patch leading up to the hundred. The pressure was turning unbearable and it was surely taking focus away from his game. He had to get it out of the way to breathe easy again. And he finally did so on 16 March 2012. It wasn't his best innings by a distance. He was tentative to start with before playing some really wonderful shots and slowed down once more towards the end. With such pressure it was understandable. But the sensation itself, that the 100th 100 had finally come, was just too good. That someone could get to this landmark was unbelievable and because it was Sachin, who has shaped my cricketing imagination while growing up, the sensation was sweeter.
It was a plan that we'd meet whenever he got to the hundred. I was there covering the tour in England in 2011 and again in Australia in 2011-2012. The elusive milestone had remained elusive. There was never a plan to go to Dhaka and I must confess it was for Sachin that I had made the trip. More bluntly put, it was to watch the hundred.
Sachin was there at the post match press conference and like every Indian supporter who was there in Dhaka on the night I wanted to wish him personally after the match. Little did I know that security would cordon him off in such a way that I'd not be able to reach him as he left the press conference venue! In fact the security was way over the top. They were literally pushing journalists away, which, frankly, was entirely unwarranted. It turned so bad that I got a little injured on the chest as a result. Seeing there was no way I'd be able to speak to him at the ground I messaged him saying I was waiting to see him. Knowing Sachin I was aware that he'd respond as soon as he saw the message. He did and mentioned that his teammates were celebrating the feat in the dressing room and that he'd see me at the hotel as soon as the team returned. In fact, it was just past midnight that the Indian team bus reached the Sonargaon hotel and true to his word Sachin suggested we get something to eat while talking in his room. The room was all laden with balloons and he first made a phone call to his mother to take her blessings. We then chatted for close to an hour and a half going through all the emotions associated with the hundred. Clearly it was one of relief. Finally the donkey was off his back. I had ordered a cake for him the next morning and we decided to once again meet for lunch the following day to record the sensation of the morning after. I got him to cut the cake and have a piece celebrating the achievement.
After days and months of agony Sachin had returned to normalcy. He would no longer receive sms messages saying things were all okay and he shouldn't worry. He had received close to 50,000 such messages in the year gone by!! Enough to drive a normal person mad. But he isn't normal and the entire country has a claim over him. He is still India's most loved and most revered cricketer and it is only just that he was the first to this milestone. Rather, it is just to say that he will be the only cricketer ever to have reached this milestone, a cricketing feat which has no parallel.
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New Delhi: The JD(U) on Wednesday slammed the Congress for taking pot-shots at the Narendra Modi government over its remarks against HRD Minister Smriti Irani.
"I condemn such a statement...The criticism of Irani over her educational degree must stop. Her work and not her educational qualification should be discussed," JD(U) president Sharad Yadav told reporters here.
"The pulse of the nation is not known only by formal education. I have also been an engineer but that engineering does not come to any use here. The country is run by understanding people," Yadav said.
He was addressing the media after a meeting of the party office bearers to take stock of the crushing defeat of JD(U) in Lok Sabha polls in Bihar in which the party was reduced from its tally of 20 seats in 2009 to a mere two in 2014.
Attacking Irani over her educational qualifications, Congress leader Ajay Maken had tweeted yesterday, "What a Cabinet of Modi? HRD Minister (Looking after Education) Smriti Irani is not even a graduate! Look at her affidavit at ECI site pg 11".
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Unimpressed by the clarification, Yadav said nothing should be done on the issue against the precedent followed on this issue so far.
"I strongly condemn what the minister has said on Article 370. Kashmir is the soul of the country. The statement is not appropriate and not in the interest of the nation. A promise was made to Kashmir," Yadav said.


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Orchestra 2001 Premieres Crumb Piece
Editor's note: This article was initially published in The Daily Gazette, Swarthmore's online, daily newspaper founded in Fall 1996. As of Fall 2018, the DG has merged with The Phoenix. See the about page to read more about the DG.
Last night Orchestra 2001 premiered Voices From a Forgotten World (American Songbook V) by George Crumb in Lang Concert Hall. About 30 seconds into the second song of the new song cycle, I had an all-too-rare feeling of visceral excitement at hearing the performance of a piece of contemporary classical music for the first time. The music was so engrossing that I was instantly enthralled and didn't want it to end.
The last time I felt this was back in 2006 when the Philadelphia Orchestra directed by Simon Rattle, one of the world's greatest living conductors, gave the world premier performances of Sofia Gubaidulina's Feast During a Plague. But coupled with that piece's beauty, excitement, and raw power was a high level of inaccessibility that made the piece less than enthusiastically received. Crumb's new piece avoids the pitfall of inaccessibility of so much modern music without sacrificing the vitality and uniqueness that is expected of new music written today.
Crumb expertly melds the familiar with the unfamiliar in his settings mostly well-known American folksongs. The melodic line is kept intact, but with altered tempo and musical accompaniment that is always entirely original and unpredictable. The musical forces assembled to play the piece are certainly unique: an amplified piano and around 125 percussion instruments played by a quartet of percussionists with male and female vocal solos. Only the earlier 4 parts in Crumb's American Songbook series have similar instrumentations. This made the stage set-up one of the more interesting that I've seen recently. Indeed a large part of the magic of this piece is watching its performance and seeing what instruments are used to make different sound combinations. There were many times during the night where I thought "I've never heard that instrument sound like that!" or "What is that instrument making that interesting sound?"
The beginning of each of the ten songs is jarring because of the strangeness of the music composed to accompany them, but Crumb expertly repeats sections of the music following the structure of the song. For example he often uses the same or similarly-sounding music during the chorus of the song or the same bit of music as an interlude between verses. This works to make each song somewhat predictable (but never dull) and therefore accessible after a very short amount of time. In this way Crumb is able to both surprise the audience at every turn but also allow them to quickly understand the music and not get lost in its strangeness.
But enough of how wonderful the piece is, what does it actually sound like? The songs are mostly solemn, but a couple are extremely exciting and a some are incredibly funny. The depiction of a storm in the second song, Somebody Got Lost in a Storm, was full of such strength with its loud drums of various types that it rivaled Wagner's famous storm at the beginning of Die Walkure for impact and power. During this song and Song of the Thunder–originally a Navajo song–the orchestra members sung and hummed along, reminiscent of an effect used in the first movement of Bernstein's Concerto for Orchestra, which gave the songs added impact.
Hallelujah, I'm a Bum! was incredibly hilarious with slapstick acoustic effects to accompany a song praising lethargy sung brilliantly by Patrick Mason. The House of the Rising Sun was given an incredibly mournful setting that captured the emotional impact of the words which Jamie van Eyck sang with great restraint and feeling. The cycle concluded with the somber song The Demon Lover, where Mason, playing a demon, seduces and deceives van Eyck into leaving her husband and entering Hell to live forever with him. At the end of the song the two singers slowly walk off stage, humming together, which is the only time during the composition that the two singers sing at the same time. It was a startlingly simple ending to a piece of music that constantly dazzled me with its complex musical figures, but in the end it was Crumb's ability to flawlessly transmit the emotional content of the songs, often in novel and complex ways, but sometimes with stark and beautiful simplicity, that made the piece one of the most brilliant pieces of music I have heard in a long time.
Although the world premier was the main event of the concert it was not the only piece performed. The concert opened with the three-movement Otherworldly Resonances, also by Crumb, for two amplified pianos, played by Marcantonio Barone and James Freeman. The title is incredibly descriptive: often very slow and repetitive figures are played on the pianos that seem to come from another world, interrupted and punctuated by seemingly unrelated outbursts in the form of plucked or stroked piano strings, or the playing of the interior of the piano with a mallet. The second movement, titled Celebration and Ritual, was more lively, with a mixture of foreboding mallet playing and agitated, almost violent from the two pianos. The third movement I found less compelling, but the piece was enjoyable if less accessible than the song cycle.
Jeffrey Khaner, the wonderful principle flutist of the Philadelphia Orchestra, also performed as a soloist in the concert. He played the solo part in a recently discovered and completed piece for flute and string orchestra attributed to Tchaikovsky, but of uncertain provenance. He also performed two short pieces for solo flute, one by Varese and another by Debussy. Given the Khaner's strong ability–I saw him in an excellent performance of the Rouse Flute Concerto with the Philadelphia Orchestra in 2006–it is unfortunate that the the three pieces he played were so disappointing. Although the Tchaikovsky opened with the solemn foreboding of the Pathetique symphony, supposedly composed at around the same time, and also includes some of the bright, lush lyricism of earlier Tchaikovsky, the piece on the whole wasn't that involving and didn't impress me. The two solo pieces were also similarly unimpressive; although the Debussy did have some nice lyricism about it. But within the context of the concert it sounded like light, pleasant diversionary music when compared to the Crumb pieces; enjoyable enough but nothing compared to them.


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Maybe youtube did it for them O_O
I wonder if those bugs are MADE by youtube, or just happend by accident. I still remember that video having a trillion views within 2 days... lol
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Since G00gle bought Youtube, and G00gle does this funny stuff all the time it wouldn't surprise me if they did it on purpose.
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Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/May 2015
- 1 OpenStax College quizzes: Where should we put them?
- 2 Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee elections 2015
- 3 Pages that should be deleted after no improvements (prod)
- 4 Mentorship
- 5 Unblock of JWSchmidt
- 6 Limit write/edit access to a group of users
- 7 Proposed new user group that would make probationary custodianship easier and safer
- 8 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections 2015
- 9 Wikiversity Journal of Medicine
- 10 Does html always work on Wikiversity?
OpenStax College quizzes: Where should we put them?[edit]
I need to rewrite all the quizzes in Physics equations to fix the page break problem and have many reasons for not keeping them in the namespace "Physics equations":
- The quizzes were cluttering up Physics equations. In the future "Physics equations" will focus solely on the equations
- I need a simple consistent namespace because I my tentative plan is to make transclusions to those quizzes. The transclusions will allow me to make multiple versions of a chapter quizzes, midterms, and the final exam without having to copy the quiz over and over again.
I was thinking of Quizbank with subpages like Quizbank/phy (for physics), Quizbank/ast (for astronomy) the short names will facilitate transclusion. We have plans this summer to work on Quizbank/htw and Quizbank/egr for two other courses (engineering thermodydamics and "how things work")
I will start with these pages, but will be creating only a small number of pages for a few days as I get the codewriting software set up. That gives us time to reflect on these choices of namespace names.--Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 10:32, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
- Either Quizbank or Testbank and then the subject, or the subject and then Quizbank or Testbank. Since Physics and astronomy is one school here, I'm not sure there's an advantage to having Quizbank by itself unless we are confident other areas will use this model. I personally would go with the topic/Testbank as being easier to manage as a learning project, while maintaining flexibility for different subjects. I would use the term Testbank because that's the term I see every publisher use, and makes the content easier for others to locate.
- Regarding the note at Quizbank that mentions using cryptic numbers for subpages, that is one option. But I don't think it adds value. Anyone can search any page here for any key word that would lead them to the questions if they look for them. Google indexes anything in main space. We could create a different namespace if we want, but that only addresses the Google issue, not the local search. Also, security by obscurity is no security. It's like locking a screen door. Anyone that wants to can still walk in.
- A more effective approach to assessment is to simply have open tests and an overwhelming bank of questions to choose from. I give weekly 10-question quizzes based on 40 to 50 question test banks, and 50-question final exams based on 600-800 question test banks. I give students access to the entire test bank, typically in a different form (either fill-in-the-blank or Quizlet). I'm not worried in the least that they might memorize all 600 questions. Instead, I'd be thrilled, because they will have thoroughly mastered the material.
- To validate that this approach is effective, I have followed up my final exams with third-party certification exams. Last year, my course that uses Windows Server Administration had 16 students. 15 passed the actual certification exam the course targets, and one missed by one question. From a validation standpoint, that's exactly what I'd like to see. The certification is hard enough that not all make it, but the materials are good enough that almost everyone is prepared.
- So, feel free to obscure the content if you believe it adds value. But I'd rather go with open content and enough different forms of the quizzes that students would have to memorize so much as to have truly mastered the content in order to 'cheat'. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:13, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
- Having a generic quizbank resource, as described, may be possible. I don't like what the process described would do to mainspace, and the non-informative page names. rather, I'd suggest a generic resource that is about how to set up a quizbank. The actual quizbanks, topic-focused, would be subpages of the topic resource, and so the resource would be standalone, that way. If, later, the idea is to create a WikiBook, as an example, that resource is ready for transwiki, and doesn't need other stuff moved. (For this reason, I also prefer to see local templates instead of using Template namespace for what is specific to a resource.)
- Notice that quizbanks could become very large, with some content only being held in history, with a list of versions that could be selectively enabled. (History is not searchable!) Transwiki can (and generally should) include all page history. A creative user could set up a process with high flexibility. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 15:35, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee elections 2015[edit]
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Pages that should be deleted after no improvements (prod)[edit]
So as I've been spying recent changes, not editing (I've been here btw), i found pages that have been proposed for deletion, and in the 90 days, haven't been improved. Some of these pages have been listed at Category:Proposed deletions, some of those pages are...:
So I'm guessing that an administrator is going to delete these pages, or someone can improve these pages before an admin comes and looks at these pages. Thanks. --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 16:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
- Well, the whole point of speedy deletion and proposed deletion is to avoid discussion.... Yes, pages that have been prodded will generally be deleted after 90 days, if nobody objects by removing the tag. Any user may object and remove the tag. Or, later, finding a page deleted, any user may request it be undeleted, and normally it will be, at least for review. If disagreement remains, then there is Wikiversity:Requests for deletion. So, to see what's going on here:
- Wikiversity:Frequently_visited_pages starts by mentioning a tool that does not exist any more. The page had not been edited since 2007, except for Marshall prodding it. There was an unanswered question on the attached talk page in 2008. Little, if anything, is lost by deletion, and there are other pages or lists that show visit frequencies. Not surprised nobody removed the prod. Some substantial cleanup is needed for this to be properly deleted.
- American Sign Language was created by IP, with a strange edit summary. It's a stub, and the only function appears to be to turn a couple of redlinks blue, which may actually suppress resource creation. Atcovi, if you think this should stay, you have the option of removing the prod. Another option would be to replace it with a new one, resetting the 90 days. However, I'm going to move that page to be a subpage of Sign language (which already links to it), and I'll yank the prod and do a little cleanup. Ah. Sign language may be a copy of the Wikipedia article. I may stub it, creating a space and structure where WV work can be done on sign language resources. Not right now, though.
- Film workspace basically nothing. A small amount of cleanup needed, to remove the only incoming link. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 00:10, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
- General practice is that custodians delete pages with an expired prod, if they agree that deletion is reasonable. They may also remove the prod, like any other user. Any user may replace the prod with a regular speedy deletion template, and ({{delete|expired prod}} should do the trick. This will get rapid attention. Prods are not treated with haste, they are a "slow wastebasket" -- a basic organizational tool I learned years ago -- that provides ample opportunity for a page to be rescued. Prods may also be renewed, to give another three months. With this tool, and with an increasingly sophisticated user base, that also understands moving pages to user space or to resource subpages, sometimes as essays, we have eliminated what used to be common, Wikiversity:Requests for deletion, while still cleaning up Wikiversity. Thanks for your work, Atcovi. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 14:01, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I am looking for a content development mentor because I want to contribute effectively to this project from time to time. Thank you for your help. Note that I eventually plan on becoming a custodian, but I would love to learn the basics correctly and effectively!
--Spyder212 (discuss • contribs) 19:07, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Feel free to ask me for assistance on User talk:Abd. Tell me (there) what interests you. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 20:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Unblock of JWSchmidt[edit]
JWSchmidt is asking to be unblocked on the user talk page. I am not familiar with the situation or circumstances that led to this user being blocked. Statements made on the user talk page suggest that positive contributions will result from the unblock. I will unblock this user unless there is a consensus against. Please feel free to advise. Comments, criticisms, questions, and concerns are most welcome. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 19:29, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Support unblock. John was a founder of Wikiversity. He believed strongly in this wiki. At the time, he was a Wikipedia sysop. He would have been a bureaucrat here, if he had consented. Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/JWSchmidt , a bureaucrat nomination, shows how popular he was, before and at the beginning of 2008.
- Then Stuff Happened, later that year. It was a horrific mess. John, who was a custodian and checkuser, was removed. The decision was made privately, bypassing established process.[1]. (There has been some very strange archiving done, but that ended up at [2]). JWS did not take it well.
- After that point, JWS was a man obsessed, largely with one user whom he blamed for what had happened. I became involved in Wikiversity in 2010. I attempted to counsel JWSchmidt to drop the cudgel. He did not take it well, considering me part of the conspiracy. See User:JWSchmidt/Blog/29 January 2011. That was one of his more coherent efforts. Great photo.
- Finally indef blocked here -- by his nemesis --, he stopped editing everywhere in the WMF. His adminship on en.wikipedia was removed for inactivity in November 2012.
- As can be seen in his request, John has now done what he never did before, taking responsibility for his own response. He will be a positive contributor, or at least harmless, and if he slips, we will remind him. The lack of attention that dogged Wikiversity for so long is not the present situation. We will support him, which includes clear warning and even blocking, at times. I doubt it will be necessary. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 21:53, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- A block is useless anyways. People know how to bypass that. ----Erkan Yilmaz 08:06, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- Support unblock. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 12:04, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- Support Why not? --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 13:26, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- Since there are five votes for unblock and no votes against in almost four days, I've unblocked JWSchmidt. Should the need arise, or later dissenters be enough to warrant reassessment, we can take this up again then. My best to JWSchmidt and I look forward to the contributions. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 00:43, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Limit write/edit access to a group of users[edit]
We are planning on a group project, creating learning material for a specific topic. How can we limit write and edit access to our group? Thank you, - Jan
--Jangrode (discuss • contribs) 15:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
- I think all of us have passionate views about this that diverge in only minor ways. The short answer is that you can't impose such limits. But don't worry, for two reasons:
- Your odds of getting destructive contributions are small. There are a lot of troublemakers in New York City, thousands of them. But there are millions of decent ones, which means you can walk through most neighborhoods without getting accosted. You do have to be careful about being in certain places at certain times in New York, but most people go their way without difficulty. By analogy, you can cover just about any topic on Wikiversity without interference. Do you plan to cover an extremely controversial topic? If not, then don't worry.
- In the unlikely event that you do receive unwelcome contributions, most such people are easy to block and their edits are easily reversed.--Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 18:12, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
- The above is useful. I would simply add, if contributions seem not useful, do not revert war, but be polite and ask for help. You may ask for custodian attention on WV:RCA, but you may also ask me (I'm not a custodian, but I can sometimes mediate disputes), or any custodian. Remember, it's a wiki, and all the work is there in history and anything can be fixed, nothing is lost.
- As well, it is possible to set up a project that has effectively restricted membership, in certain ways. It is not possible to prevent others from editing, and any project must be neutral, and that requires that, in theory, any page must be editable. However, to give you an idea, if I create an essay on a topic, and place it as a subpage of a resource appropriate for the topic of the essay, and the essay is attributed to me, it would be ... rude ... for someone to edit it without my permission. (If they want to create their own edited version, they can separately create it!) Of course, if it were edited in good faith, and no harm is done, and especially if the contribution is positive -- how about a spelling correction? -- I'm not going to object.
- Take a look at Landmark Education to see how controversy was avoided in one case. There are two subpages there that are "owned." They are neutrally linked from the page above. The topic is highly controversial on Wikipedia, users have been sanctioned there over it. Not a problem here, because of how the conflict was handled when it appeared. It's all voluntary, but ... most people would actually prefer to cooperate than fight, fighting wastes everyone's time.
- You could designate a project manager, and allowing others to sign up as participants, supporting that manager. The project manager may then act as spokesperson for the group and designate participants as approved. Their work may then be routinely seen as positive. We'd like, if possible, all projects to be open, but, at the same time, we want your group to be effective. Usually, there is no problem, so keep it simple. If there is a manager, this has no official standing, but, practically speaking, administration here will respect this if it's possible. Be nice! --Abd (discuss • contribs) 19:06, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
The project may be organized in such a way that the top level page is available to everyone, and certain subpages are designated for particular authors or perspectives. Other pages in the project might be necessary for rebuttal, but participation can be directed to different subpages. However, since you haven't yet indicated what the project will be about, it's harder to be more specific in addressing your concerns.
If, instead, you want a platform where you can limit edits, take a look at either Google Sites or PBwiki. I have used both of those, successfully, for controlled student projects. There are also free LMS options, including CourseSites, FreeMoodle, etc. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 20:23, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Proposed new user group that would make probationary custodianship easier and safer[edit]
Wikiversity_talk:Custodianship#Proposal_to_split_the_tools would create a new user group, Assistant. This group would have all the present custodial tools. The Custodian group, then, would have the right to create and remove Assistant rights. No 'crat needed. An Assistant may then apply for Custodianship, as now, with a vote and a bureaucrat implementing on a showing of consensus. The Assistant group is then subject to the supervision of all custodians, not just a mentor. But the original implementing custodian might be considered the mentor.
A study of all probationary custodianships (a preliminary version is at User:Abd/Policy_development#List_of_Candidates_for_Custodianship_subpages) shows that the mentorship system has worked very well for Wikiversity, contrary to what some have claimed, based on an overheated response to very little disruption, overall. The user group idea would streamline it. It will even work in the absence of bureaucrats, if any permanent custodian can be found, willing to be responsible. If not, the situation is as it always was, no mentor, no probationer.
Please look at the policy talk page and comment on the proposal. If we can find some agreement, a Community Review can be started and we can then, if consensus is found, request developers to set up the new user group. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 02:13, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
- A new group may not be necessary. There is an existing Oversighters group that could be enhanced to meet this need. See Special:ListGroupRights, and additional comments at Wikiversity_talk:Custodianship#Proposal_to_split_the_tools. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:09, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry, I thought Oversighter was a subset of Custodian. I now see that it is not. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 22:57, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
- This really isn't a big deal, let's just get it done. Making a new section below. --SB_Johnny talk 20:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
It's not a big deal, but it also doesn't need to be full Custodial powers. I would like to advocate for, either as this group or in addition to this group, something custodians could activate that would allow users to have the ability to edit, move, delete, view content, rollback, etc. This group could be assigned to teachers who bring a class to Wikiversity, or to dedicated users who have a great interest in managing content, but for whatever reason do not yet have enough experience or trust to go to probationary custodian status.
Also, while we are making changes to group rights, I'd like to see the unblockself right removed from custodians. There's no reason for a custodian to unblock him or herself if they've been blocked. They need to stop and communicate. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 22:57, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
- Hypothetically, wouldn't that allow one out-of-control custodian to block all other custodians and become the only acting custodian until someone higher up sorts it out?--Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 01:11, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- It would, but it also wouldn't take long to get a steward to intervene, as that behavior would clearly be unsupported by the community. It would also immediately lead to a block and removal of custodial rights for whomever would be dumb enough to have tried it. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 02:37, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- Unblockself for (full) custodians is a different issue. Let's not confuse it with the probationary custodian issue. We really only have one clear example of a rogue probationary custodian. If that person had been an Assistant, there would have been no issue. The response would not necessarily have been a block, it would have been removal of Assistant rights. The mentor would not have objected, I'm sure. We have an example of a rogue full custodian, but not here, it was on Beta. Yes, quickly desysopped. As to Assistants, I would give them the full toolset, including unblockself, so that we see how they act. Remember, these are all potentially full custodians. Whenever the assistant is ready, the Custodian vote can be held. If it fails, assistantship can continue as long as the custodial community agrees.
- I know of one example in Wikiversity history where a full custodian unblocked himself, aside from test blocks. It was a two-hour block for incivility, and it -- and other behaviors -- ultimately led to desysopping. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 12:36, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- It would, but it also wouldn't take long to get a steward to intervene, as that behavior would clearly be unsupported by the community. It would also immediately lead to a block and removal of custodial rights for whomever would be dumb enough to have tried it. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 02:37, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- Why is this being forced as all or nothing? There should be an intermediary step that would be more inclusive to a wider audience of editors willing to maintain content but not yet ready for full tools. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:57, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- This is not being "forced." Rather, this is two of the most highly-experienced Wikiversity users taking existing policy and suggesting it be implemented in a slightly different way, even though they might disagree on many other issues.
- Having played both sides of this game, having seen it work and break down, and reviewing the prior discussions, I took SBJ's proposal,[3] and simplified it. We have had, supposedly, two groups: probationary custodians and full custodians, but no actual difference in tools. Because probationary custodianship was primarily designed to allow people a chance to learn to use the tools, under the supervision of a mentor, it broke down (even though only rarely) because there was no distinction in rights, and it required steward intervention to handle alleged problems. I was actually desysopped twice by requests on meta that did not follow local policy. Under this proposal, if a custodian believed I was doing something improper with the tools, he or she would simply warn or remove the tools, pending. My mentor could restore them -- or any other custodian -- but it would be wheel-warring if done without discussion.
- The other problem was requiring bureaucrat action that was mandated by policy, based on nothing other than an agreement between mentor and candidate. This, then, created substantial controversy, in a couple of cases. Unnecessary. We still need bureaucrats to handle full custodian elections, but when there is an election process, with votes showing consensus, it's easy to get a steward to action it if bureaucrats are absent.
- If we don't trust custodians to make wise choices in granting Assistant rights, maybe they should not be custodians, but only assistants, and, in fact, the new group would provide an intermediate step between the all or nothing of keep or desysop. It would still require steward action, for generally the wikis have not allowed bureaucrats to desysop. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 15:13, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- As to some new group with lesser access to tools, it can be proposed; however, that proposal should not complicate this one. The Assistant group, as proposed, can be used by any Custodian to allow a teacher to manage a resource: it's very simple: the custodian grants the tools with a voluntary restriction. That's all. Use the tools outside the restriction -- which would be stated on the candidate's page -- any custodian can remove the tools if it is a problem. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 15:20, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- Why is this being forced as all or nothing? There should be an intermediary step that would be more inclusive to a wider audience of editors willing to maintain content but not yet ready for full tools. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:57, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- This would be an unnecessary violation of the principle of least privilege. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 16:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- Dave is treating this as a security issue. It's not. Sure, the tools could be made granular, but is it worth the effort? The Assistant user group could be used by any custodian to do what Dave wants, and it was never considered necessary for a probationer to be trusted. There was one example where a probationer was obviously not trusted, and the mentor insisted on the right of removal, and later exercised it. Salmon of Doubt. No disruption, simple. So if there is a violation of the Principle of least privilege, it's existed since almost Day 1 of this wiki. I became a probationary custodian because I asked for Rollback. I was told, become a probationary custodian! And so it started.
- The general purpose of probationary custodianship is to train the custodian in the use of tools, and, as well, to test the probationer. The Assistant group will accomplish that, the same as present policy, but with much less fuss. Assistant group tools could be broken down into groups, but I'm not seeing the need for it. So, Dave, if you want to do this, get a specific proposal together. It's separate from the proposal here. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 16:45, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- This would be an unnecessary violation of the principle of least privilege. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 16:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Community support/vote to create the "assistant" usergroup[edit]
While we certainly need some policies to go along with this, creating a new usergroup for what we've been calling "probationary custodians" would really be a good idea. The usergroup should be defined as having exactly the same permissions as custodians, but allowing for local removal. Let's get it done. This usergroup could be assigned by current "full" custodians, and taken away by current "full" custodians. In other words: a custodian who has been approved by the community can give and take away access to the "buttons" that we use to solve problems on the wiki.
Votes (which we need to show to the "devs"):
- Pro we should have done this years ago. --SB_Johnny talk 20:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Note: I agree with others below that "Special:Nuke" shouldn't be part of the package (not sure we even need that at all frankly). OTOH, self-unblock can be useful, particularly for someone learning what the buttons do. Presumably if an "Assistant" actually needed to be blocked, the tools would be removed at the same time by the blocking custodian. --SB_Johnny talk 18:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- Pro Yup. Yes, we'll need to write some policies. We would keep the current Candidates for Custodianship, which will allow community comment, but it's not a vote, consensus would not be required, just an agreement between Custodian and Assistant, as shown by setting the bit. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 12:16, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- Pro I'm willing to give this a try! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 19:07, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- Pro--Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 10:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
- Neutral - Not with the same rights as custodians. It shouldn't simply be who can turn the switch on and off. If we have concerns about needing the switch, then there must also be something in the rights of the assistants that should be modified. I am particularly concerned about mass delete, but also unblock self. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
- Pro --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 15:26, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
- Contra After doing some reading on this and giving it some though for a while, I don't see a point in having a group that has the exact (or near exact) tools as custodians do. Further more, giving the custodians the right to assign users to this new group that has (or almost has) the same tools as a custodian just doesn't sit right with me; I'd rather have a bureaucrat assign them. Since I'm fairly new and this is just my vote, I'd take this with a grain of salt. --I8086 (discuss • contribs) 00:54, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- If we are going to developers to change the rights groups, we could ask them to remove nuke (massdelete) -- a truly dangerous tool -- from all sets. I've seen what happened to a wiki where it was used. Restoral from backup was required. A bot could handle this if it's ever needed. Has it ever been needed? But, yes, if we want to keep it for custodians, it could be left out of the Assistant set. Unblock self, though, is actually useful on occasion. It's rare, and it tests the competence of the custodian. That's part of the purpose of Assistantship. Obviously, if a Custodian wants to stop an Assistant, the issue is "use of tools" or "all edits"? If the former, just remove the Assistant rights. If the latter, remove the right and block. It's very simple. If this is Assistant vs Assistant, not having the unblock right but having Block, would give an advantage to the first to block the other. Not good. The wheel-warring, if it happens, will attract attention and the issue will soon be resolved!
- If you are blocked, and unblock yourself, you'd better know what you are doing, or your rights are toast! --Abd (discuss • contribs) 17:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
- This really isn't a comment, just an off topic question. Does anyone know the number of Custodians and Bureaucrats that have gone "rogue"? --I8086 (discuss • contribs) 16:43, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
- We have a page Wikiversity:Support staff that lists Custodians and Bureaucrats. As far as I know those not in bold have just moved on to some other activity. Depends on what you mean by "rogue" I guess. A small number of Probationary Custodians may have run into challenges that might have best been handled differently, perhaps by asking for consensus, or showing more patience. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 19:01, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
- While I may not be the best person to try to answer this, here's my opinion. Custodial tools are ideally there to help take care of Wikiversity, e.g. handling vandalism, deleting apparently abandoned resources that have never been developed, deleting files without required copyright permission, and a bunch more. Although I'm not thoroughly familiar with the situations I suggest above, I don't believe any of our Probationary Custodians or Probationary Bureaucrats have committed crimes with the use of these tools. This would be the case for abuse or malicious use of the tools. Instead, from what I have seen, the uses fall under non-malicious use of these tools. For example:
- "Disruption" to me is any series of events that pull me excessively away from my contributions, research, or routine custodial matters. We occasionally get these. If anyone over-responds to what they believe is a "disruption" with custodial tools without seeking consensus, assuming this would help, their acts may be considered a misuse of tools. I hope this helps. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 21:15, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
- "Rogue" is not merely some "misuse of tools." It is a gross deviation from norms. Example on Wikipedia: [4]. I know of only one example of rogue action on Wikiversity, and it was mild compared with the Wikipedia example. With a true rogue admin, the admin knows that they are not serving the community, they know that they will loose the tools promptly, that their actions will not be supported. The removal of the admin privilege for a rogue is never controversial. This study lists all Wikiversity custodians (permanent and probationary), but I have not studied the ends of custodianship. Removals, other than voluntary resignation or recently per new global policy on inactivity, have been rare. I know of five, including the one rogue. I will cover that. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 00:46, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, this really helped me kill two birds with one stone. --I8086 (discuss • contribs) 00:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- To be clear, there have only been two probationary custodians whose tools were removed in any contested or contestable way. I just found another removal of a permanent custodian. The account had been renamed. Talk pages have been moved. There were, AFAIK now, four removals of permanent custodians. Again resignations and removal for inactivity are not included. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 19:56, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- I8086, responding to the comment with your vote:
- It will be the same tools (We should remove "nuke" from Custodians as well), and the purpose is to better and more clearly implement the policy that the agreement of a mentor (always understood be to be a permanent custodian), and a candidate, was enough; there was no discussion necessary, normally the assignment was done very quickly, and discussion, including occasional opposition, was always ignored. (Discussion was later, in a vote for "full custodian.")
- A bureaucrat implemented, because there was no other way to do it at the time (and still now, without this user group). However, we are short on bureaucrats, sometimes, and we came to the point where candidates were not appearing, and when they did, it sometimes took years to complete the process. This proposal does what "we should have done ... years ago," as SB Johnny wrote. There was never any need to obtain consensus; the job of bureaucrats is to assess consensus.
- Creating probationary custodians was, by policy, a privilege given to permanent custodians, unique (AFAIK) to Wikiversity. We could give Bureaucrats the power to remove the Assistant group members, but if a Custodian can create an Assistant unilaterally, the same Custodian or another should be able to undo it. It's like any other use of tools. For various reasons, bureaucrats are not given, by default, the power to remove custodians, they, or anyone, must ask stewards for this, and it can take, a month.
- With permanent and probationary custodians being in the same user group (it is a new user group being created), there was no way for stewards to tell the difference easily. Further, stewards are very reluctant to intervene in local disputes, and only a steward could remove the rights.
- This makes it all very simple. I am not going to state all the advantages, there are many, and I see no down side. That is, this will not make anything worse.
- SB Johnny is a bureaucrat with long experience here. I have three times been a probationary custodian, and I have a candidacy open now, approved by a mentor, that SB Johnny opposes. Yet we agree on this proposal. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 20:27, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- This part of my reason is the most concerning.
- Further more, giving the custodians the right to assign users to this new group that has (or almost has) the same tools as a custodian just doesn't sit right with me.
- I understand that probationary custodians need the tools to learn/do the job; I'm fine with that part. I just don't like the idea of having two different user groups with the same powers/tools, and one is appointing the other. I suggested that bureaucrats appoint probationary custodians, but that seems to be part of the issue, so I have no solution to the bureaucrat problem and I don't want to naively say 'Get more of them', because I'm pretty sure that's not possible right now.
- Security wise, this proposal still doesn't sit right with, but since there are older users who've been here longer, which means they probably have a better understanding of Wikiversity and its needs, I'd take my vote with a grain of salt. --I8086 (discuss • contribs) 01:47, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- Please take my "yes" vote with the same grain of salt that I8086 requested on his "no" vote. My reasoning for "yes" is that we can always reverse the decision if things don't work out. Perhaps we should ask ourselves: "What's the worst that could happen?" --Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 02:58, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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Wikiversity Journal of Medicine[edit]
I've done most of the work at Wikiversity Journal of Medicine for about a year now. An overview of the project is found at Wikiversity Journal of Medicine/About. The reason I came here is because a majority view of the editorial board is to have the published articles at least semi-protected. I heard there may be alternatives too ([5]) so we may start with discussing that. Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 12:46, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- The Journal has been generating some good content, well above the norm for Wikiversity. Of course, these are articles.
- The issue is page ownership by a user, or by a board created by a user and friends. In my view, it can be done, but I probably would not do it with a top-level mainspace resource. The Journal is called the "Wikiversity Journal of Medicine," but was not created as a community project, and the Wikiversity community did not authorize use of the name. It is a Journal of Medicine, using Wikiversity for publication.
- The approval process is partly private. The purpose of the journal as stated on the About page would be a naive attempt to bypass Wikipedia policies on original research.
- The Journal was based on Wikiversity:Peer review which Mikael modified, but this is an unapproved policy or guideline without broad consensus.
- The Editorial Board contains no regular editors of Wikiversity except for Mikael. It does have some major supporters: User:Doc James is well known, I worked with him when I was still editing Wikipedia. User:Taketa is also a steward. Would I want, however, a newly graduated doctor (Mikael) and a medical student (Taketa) on the editorial board of a peer-reviewed medical journal?
- Yet all these users have the right to edit Wikiversity, or to advise Mikael in his editing of Wikiversity.
- So ... I'm confident we can host the project, but it must also integrate with wiki policies as interpreted by the community. Here, Mikael is asking for page protection, but the About page has "Readers can edit published articles after publication, but all edits are monitored daily." That would be in accordance with standard practice, but protection of pages so that "readers" cannot edit the articles, then, deviates from that.
- There are other solutions. The list of published articles may point to permanent versions as-approved. Currently, the articles do have a template that shows the as-approved version but, of course, someone could edit that! I have little difficulty with the idea of semiprotecting or even full-protecting tables of contents, that are themselves transcluded on a page that may be edited.
- There is no rush here. There are several users watching all the pages. There is no vandalism to speak of. If IP vandalism appears, it can be handled routinely. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 01:08, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- I have recently started a page related to the possibility that the journal could have a future as a separate Wikimedia project, in which case its name would no longer need to contain "Wikiversity". However , it cannot simply be named "Journal of Medicine", because there are tens of thousands of other medical journals out there. As long as it is hosted by Wikiversity, on a wikiversity.org domain, it would be very confusing for external readers of the articles to have a different name.
- If we have the articles edit protected, I would certainly update the statement that currently says "Readers can edit published articles after publication".
- The articles do have permanent links to the versions of the articles at the time peer review was performed. Surely, if there are many substantial edits, it would motivate making a new peer review, but it would not be necessary for every edit, such as spelling errors. I find it very complicated to have one article version that was last approved (including minor edits) and one that was completely up to date, except if we apply Wikipedia:Pending changes. Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 04:44, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- The name of the journal and the pagename here are not necessarily the same. If this were an open journal, with a neutral, uninvolved article approval process, it could be the Wikiversity Journal of Medicine without a problem, as to the name. However, I'd still want to see Journal of Medicine be the pagename, or, better, an abbreviated form, because full article pagenames can get long. Mikael found a way to split the pagename display, which was great.
- There were many early projects on Wikiversity that did not push through and resolve problems. To have a true peer-reviewed journal that would satisfy WP RS standards will probably take an independent, responsible publisher that can establish a reputation. It's not impossible, and I want to congratulate Mikael for taking the initiative. Some good work has been done, but it's not necessarily fully compatible with the goals. The goals might become more modest -- Wikiversity resources can already support Wikipedia articles, just not as RS, but as places for broader learning and discussion and exploration, including original research, which can't be done on Wikipedia. When readers try to discuss the topic on Wikipedia article Talk pages, they really should be sent here, and there should be sister wiki links, far more than exist presently.
- Or the goals might be expanded. As Mikael, I'm sure, realizes, setting up a genuine peer-reviewed journal that will be accepted in the presence of controversy, as w:WP:RS is not a trivial task. The key is "independent publisher." Looking at the core of this, the *editing* must be independent; that is, the process of deciding what is published. WP depends on the general principle of publishers who are responsible to the readership, not the authors. If they publish junk, they will lose readership and money.
- Yet wiki "peer review" can, in fact, be deeper than standard publisher peer review. Errors in articles can be subtle and easily overlooked by a single reviewer. So ... how can we harness wiki peer review and manage it with an independent board?
- The largest problem I've seen with Wiki J Med is that the review process hasn't been independent. That is, authors, often involved with the Wiki J Med Editorial Board, select reviewers. That's not going to fly, for the longer-term purpose. I will be making proposals on the Wiki J Med pages. I would, however, want to generalize this process, because what should really be created is a multidisciplinary journal, or several. Or an independent organization that facilitates these, collaborating with Wikiversity. The organization would decide notability and arrange for the review of articles posted here. Generally, these articles would not be in mainspace, they would be subpages of resources. There would be pages here where the Wikiversity community advises ... let's call it Wiki Journal. But the wiki cannot control the Wiki Journal organization. It could actually be organized either for profit or nonprofit. (I hear screams of horror somewhere.) There can be more than one of these organizations.... These are hybrids, synthesis, for those who follow my organizational concepts. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 13:40, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Is there actual vandalism by IP taking place, or is this simply a proactive request? It seems to me that the concern is to be able to preserve the article as published. The permanent link does that, and instructions at the top of the article could direct well-intentioned users to using the Talk page to discuss the article rather than modifying it. Another approach would be to generate a PDF of the article or articles as published, and upload the PDF as a permanent record of the published content for easy reference and reading. Protecting pages that aren't vandalism targets isn't part of our current practice, and seems unnecessarily exclusionary if it isn't solving an existing problem. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:04, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- The online version will be the official latest version, although we will have PDF files as well. Semi-protection is indeed a proactive request, and no vandalism has occurred yet. Nevertheless, I will definitely be back with the same request once it has occurred. Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 15:54, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- I think it is reasonable to see if problems occur before we request semi protection. If we get this pubmed indexed than a static version will appear on pubmed commons as we can link to it from the top of the articles.
- We are likely years away from spinning this off as its own sister project. But agree if this model is success that would ultimately be ideal. Either the scope of this journal will need expanding or sister journals for other topics will need creating. There is lots of potential. User:Abd good to see you. It has been a long time since we lasted interacted. I appreciated your guidance when I was just learning the ropes. :-) Doc James (discuss • contribs) 06:35, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Pending changes[edit]
Wikiversity Journal of Medicine is demonstrating a possible need for w:Wikipedia:Pending changes on Wikiversity. We have a possible developer request already (the Assistant usergroup, which has consensus), this would be a request to add the Pending changes extension to Wikiversity, which will also require a Reviewer usergroup and appropriate permissions. We would, for a published journal article, hosted here, use Level 2 protection (see [6]). We would develop policy over review. This cannot be undisciplined, wiki free-for-all. Comments? --Abd (discuss • contribs) 13:52, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'd prefer this one for the journal articles if it was implemented in Wikiversity. Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 15:23, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
- It would have other usage, wherever there is explicit authorship or page management and/or a recognized approval process. "Explicit authorship" is displayed, and to handle neutrality, we avoid explicit page ownership in mainspace top level, though plenty of pages have been created with it, and many have not been cleaned up. We are now being much more careful about this. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 16:00, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Does html always work on Wikiversity?[edit]
I am trying to find a way to keep lines together when they are printed as pdf. In desparation, I looked up how to do it in html and tried it on Wikiversity. This seems to work:
<div style="page-break-inside:avoid;"> # This line # ... and this line # ... and this line #... as well as this line always print together. </div>
Do most html commands also work the same way in wikitext? If not, can I assume that if this trick works now, it will work in the future?--Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 04:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- There are three moving parts to your question.
- Browser support of a given HTML tag.
- PDF converter support of a given HTML tag.
- W3C agreement on HTML standards.
- This particular tag seems very stable, according to W3Schools, addressing items 1 and 3. Whether the PDF will interpret correctly is up to the PDF converter used. In other words, if you were to print directly from a browser, this code is very likely to work. Converting to a PDF and then printing is at the mercy of the Wiki PDF converter. But if it is working now, that's a good sign.
- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 12:32, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


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Destroyed infrastructure in Berlin after World War II. A sign reads Unter Den Linden on subway entrance in Berlin. Bomb damage to roof and interior of the Anhalter Bahnhof Station. German civilians on foot and in vehicles on the streets.
A bombed station in Berlin, Germany due to Allied air raids during World War II. Bombed Anhalter station. Railway tracks in the foreground. Wrecked trains cars. A view of the damaged and bombed station. Twisted steel girders at the station. A damaged wall of the station. People walk on the platform. A wrecked train car
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Aftermath of World War 2 in Berlin, Germany. Aerial views of a large Siemens factory damaged by Allied bombings during World War II. Anhalter rail road station in the heart of Berlin and the damage caused by Allied bombings. Unter Den Linden and Brandenburg Arch. Marshalling yards in the city and Reichstag building.