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I see it in my puppys muddy paw prints.
I see it in people putting away their snowblowers for the season (perhaps unwisely early).
It was obvious last week when city street sweepers took to the roads and cleared off a winters worth of grit.
And its that time of year that packs of cyclists begin riding two and three abreast and in big swarms along East Animas Road (County Road 250).
Ah, springtime in Durango.
The signs of spring are everywhere sprouting up in yards all around town. You must have seen those signs.
Flowers? No. Grass? Nope. Im talking about those yard signs that say, for example, Keith or Christina. Funny, those kinds of signs seem to sprout only on odd-numbered years. Ah yes, its City Council election time once again.
Before we get too far here, lets explain why its OK to jump the gun and declare that springs here.
Its possible youre saying to yourself, Why is this arrogant columnist celebrating spring a week and a half too soon? Just because he writes some front-page schlock he has the right to declare it spring?
Well, the answer to that might be yes. But lets pretend for a moment that it might be no.
Yes, you calendar gazers, it is true. Spring doesnt begin officially until March 20. At 5:02 a.m. (Slightly off the subject, but another sign of spring: Did you remember to set your clocks forward Sunday morning? If not, then youre probably late for work. Regardless, its important that you finish this column first.)
But, in my mind, spring began Friday, March 1, when I woke up, and it wasnt 8 degrees outside. In the next two days, the high temperature jumped by 23 degrees.
The big thaw had begun.
For those of us who battle glacier-sized ice dams on the roof every winter, for those whose credit cards are worn to the black stripe from scraping ice off windshields, this is reason to celebrate.
Of course, this also means that mud season is here. My fidgeting puppys feet must be cleaned before she enters the house. Two by two, my shoes and boots all are becoming unsuitable for inside use.
The beginning of spring in Southwest Colorado, in all honesty, is the most frustrating time of year. Yeah, its getting warmer and the sun spends more time with us every day, but stiff breezes bring a deep chill and still-soft trails around town are mostly unusable.
Its not a joke that spring is actually the time of the highest suicide rate. One theory is that those with severe depression watch as others around them celebrate the arrival of warmer and longer days, while they remain in a dark funk. A quick public service announcement here: Please try to help anyone who seems to be depressed, or make sure they get help.
Anyway, it feels like spring to me, but if you must wait until March 20 to celebrate, then by all means do so.
I understand, because Im a sky geek. Pardon me, please, while I turn this into an astronomy column. Hey, its not my fault this is such fascinating stuff.
At 5:02 a.m. Mountain Daylight Time, on March 20, 2013, the Earth will be in that sweet spot in its rotation where every patch of the planet gets sun for half the day. Or so it goes. In reality, because light bends and because the sun isnt just a point in the sky, we get more than 12 hours of sunlight that day.
Are you a glass-half-full or glass-half-drunk kind of person? Whatever you answered, it doesnt matter. When it comes to sunrise and sunset, we all get a glass thats more than half full. Ill say it again: On the equinox, the sun is above the horizon for more than 12 hours. If you dont believe me, or dont understand why, then Google equinox not equal and see what you find.
The truth is that we get 12 hours of sunlight a few days before that. At the 35th parallel (were at 37 degrees 16 minutes, but lets not quibble), the day of equal amounts of sun and darkness this year is March 16.
If you live in Honolulu, that date is March 14.
And get this: If you live on the equator, every day of the year you get more than 12 hours of sun. Im not making this up. Every day!
So, you define spring however you like. Despite last weekends chill, winter has lost its death grip.
What can I say? I recognize the signs of spring. And I recognize the signs of odd-numbered-year springs. Which means that if Im going to vote wisely, Id better figure out who this guy Keith is.
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* For men taller than 6' who weigh less than 170 pounds, start at 170 pounds or a base ski size of 159cm.
A beginner is a first time skier or someone very new to skiing that will be cautious and is still learning basic control.
An intermediate skier has a little more experience learning the basics of controlling their skis. Intermediate skiers are still cautious on more challenging runs and are comfortable at moderate speeds. Athletic beginners will also benefit from skis designed for intermediate skiers.
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An advanced skier is capable of maintaining solid technique on advanced terrain in most snow conditions. These skiers are able to ski in control at higher speeds, but don't always ski aggressively.
An expert skier is capable of skiing safely at high speeds on any terrain regardless of snow conditions. Expert skiers have strong technique and prefer to ski aggressively.
* Skiing style compares to others in your same ability level. Experts can be cautious, while beginners who like to ski fast would be considered aggressive.
Groomers are maintained trails, typically found on the front side of the mountain. Frontside Skis range from beginner to expert skill levels. These skis are narrower skis optimized for groomed and hard packed snow conditions.
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Skis for the All Mountain/Powder skier fall into the All Mountain Wide skis category on Skis.com. Skis in this group are 91 - 110mm wide under the foot. They are best suited for the skier that likes to hit the back bowls early and finish up the day with a few laps under the lift before checking their skis and getting ready for après ski activities.
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Women - All aggressive, confident, experienced female racers weighing more than 135 pounds can use the Women's Length of the FIS Approved Race Skis.
Women - Less experienced / aggressive female racers, lighter weight athletes, or those skiing at small resorts with flat terrain should consider cheater skis which will be easier to flex and initiate turns.
Men - All aggressive, confident, experienced male racers weighing more than 165 pounds can use the Men's Length of the FIS Approved Race Skis.
Men - Aggressive, confident, and experienced male racers who are lighter weight (130-155 lbs.) , still developing to physical maturity, or skiing smaller resorts with flatter terrain should consider using the women's length of the FIS Approved Race Skis.
Men - Less experienced / aggressive male racers, lighter weight athletes (120-150 lbs.) , or those skiing at small resorts with flat terrain should consider cheater skis which will be easier to flex and initiate turns.
* For women shorter than 5'2 who weigh more than 150 pounds, start at 150 pounds or a base ski size of 151cm.
** If your child is taller than average for their weight it is acceptable to go up one ski size.
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** Remember the design of twin tip skis reduces the length of the effective edge and there for will ski slightly shorter than traditional skis of the same length. If your child is between sizes it is ok to get the longer pair.
Race Skis - Designed for racers weighing no more than 145 lbs. competing in slalom and giant slalom. If your junior racer is competing in USSA events please check the FIS and USSA Equipment Regulations to ensure that equipment regulations are being met.
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Race Ski Sizing
Ski Racing is all about being as precise as possible at every turn in the course to get to the bottom faster than the competition. That being said sizing Race Skis can be a little tricky as every racer wants to have the skis which give them the best advantage to win.
If you or your athlete will be racing in USSA or FIS competitions, depending on age group there may be strict rules about Race Skis. Please check the FIS and USSA Equipment Rules to ensure that the equipment you are selecting complies with the requirements for you or your racer's age group.
Athletes opting not to compete in FIS or USSA sanctioned events will have the liberty to choose skis based on their height, weight, and ability… not just their age.
Below are guidelines on which sizes of equipment to pick based on a skiers weight. If a racer is confident in their abilities and utilizes proper racing techniques to initiate each turn easily they may want to consider skis which are a bit longer. Longer skis are more stable at higher speeds and have more surface area which makes them glide faster. Shorter skis are easier to turn.
For kids under age 15 and weighing less than 145 pounds this chart makes selecting the right size simple.
Junior Race Skis Sizing Chart
For teenagers and adults the sizing gets a bit more complicated. Use the guidelines below for selecting the right size skis based on weight, ability, and terrain.
If you are in the market for new ski boots you have come to the right place; Skis.com is proud to offer a vast selection of boots for all types of skiers. From the beginner just starting out skiing to the advanced skiers slashing powder lines in the backcountry we are sure to stock skiing boots for all. In order to make it easier for our customers to shop our bootselection we offer several refinements on the left side of the page. Here you can narrow the boots sections to be shown only boots that are going to work best for you.
Boynecountrysports.com stocks ski boots from all the top brands. For those skiers that are brand loyal or have a favored fit by a certain brand, narrowing the selection to show favorites is highly beneficial. In the "By Brand" refinement you can select one or more brands and only be shown ski boots by that brand. Our top brands include:
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This is a great feature for those on a strict budget; choosing any price range will narrow down the results of ski boots to only those in that range. This refinement offers several different price ranges so no matter the budget you can shop all the ski boots available.
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The bottom half of the refinements for boots are great for those skiers that know exactly what they are looking for. Here you can narrow down the selection by more intricate and unique features. Choose ski boots by intended use like alpine touring, downhill or freestyle or you can shop by your ability level from beginner to expert. There are also refinements for width, flex and more so you can see exactly what you want in the boots put forth in front of you.
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Having cold hands is never fun and is definitely not fun while skiing. Properly sizing your ski gloves can lead to a better fit which will lead to more warmth. Here we will go over how to measure your hand for a ski glove as well as how to find your proper size using size charts; we will also share some ski glove sizing pointers.
Measuring for a Ski Glove
To properly measure for a ski glove you will want to measure your hand circumference. Measure the flat area shown on the below diagram without including the thumb. The easiest way to measure is with a flexible tape measure you can easily wrap around your hand.
Finding Your Ski Glove Size Using Size Charts
Measuring your hand is great but what do you do with that measurement once you have it? Find your size easily by using all the size charts offered by skis.com! Using these charts is the easiest way to take the size you measured and turn it into the correct ski glove size for you. All of the brand specific size charts are located in the Ski-o-pedia section of Skis.com.
You can easily find find your size using our size chart here.
Ski Glove Sizing Pointers
Liners- If you plan on using glove liners on the inside of your skiing gloves keep this in mind while sizing. You can size a bit larger when using liners, either size one size up or if teetering between sizes go with the larger size.
Size Overlap- In some instances the size you measure and the sizes listed on the size charts will overlap between two sizes. With this overlap you can go with either size; simply pick based on if you like a tighter or looser fit.
Kids Ski Glove Sizing- Some kids ski gloves will not be measured by size and will be measured by age. These are typically for the smaller model gloves and age will determine size just fine in these cases.
As you can see it is fairly easy to measure for a properly fitted pair of ski gloves. Measure properly and follow the size charts provided and you will have no ski glove fit issues when you hit the mountain!
This is a generic size chart. For exact sizing please search for the brand specific size chart. For the correct fit, measure hand circumference around widest part of palm of hand.
Have you ever dreaded a day of skiing because your boots are so uncomfortable? It's no surprise that many times in a season you've had to "call it a day" early because your feet were killing you. Though expertly designed to create flawless turns when coupled with the right binding and ski, not all ski boots were designed with comfort in mind.
As the only ski and snowboard shop located on the mountain, the Downhill Supply Company is only home to the latest in tuning and bootfitting technology. The experienced staff delivers personalized service throughout the bootfitting process, ensuring precise shell fit and appropriate cuff flex to optimize the skier's experience on snow.
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Professional tuning is essential for top performance and safety. The Grinderite 21hundred tune matches your style therefore increasing speed and control in any condition.
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My Shadow Priest reached level 51 last night, so the time has come to implement the second part of the Shadow Priest leveling guide. If you're just getting started on a Shadow Priest of your own, or considering one, then I suggest you take a look at the previous guide, Priest Leveling: 1-29 Shadow.
Playing a Shadow Priest
As I said in the 1-29 guide, while the Shadow Priest shares similarities to other classes such as the Affliction Warlock, playing a Shadow Priest is really only like playing a Shadow Priest. At least, that's what it's like if you keep it to game terms. If you broaden your mind a bit though, it's actually a lot like playing a Sith Lord. "Hello, I am Darth Psynister, and I'm here to flay your mind! /cast !Mind Flay"
You want to talk about Jedi mind tricks? Then you better go roll yourself a Shadow Priest, because you've got some minds to start controlling. Granted, we can't wield cool looking lightsabers, but who needs a 3 foot sword that can cut through anything when you've got a 40 yard Mind Flay that can cut through brains? We might not be able to jump fifty feet into the air with a triple front flip, but we can walk on air and hover over water with nothing but the sheer power of our minds (and levitate spell).
Shadow Priests do an excellent job of combining spells that deal damage, restore health, and hinder opponents into a very appealing package wrapped in shadowy goodness.
Shadow-Specific Tips
The first thing to know is that if you've been having mana problems then today is a day of rejoicing. Well, it is if you're in this level range at least. During this span of 20 levels you get three tools that help you keep your mana topped off during and after every fight.
Up to this point playing a Shadow Priest is all about maximizing damage while minimizing mana costs. Now that we have the means to control our mana replenishment it's time to fully embrace the shadow and start doing what we do best – melt faces.
The most important tip I can give you about playing a Shadow Priest is to learn how to ninja kills. If you're playing solo then you don't have to worry about the ninja'ing part so much, but if you're in a group then you should get as much practice as you can at stealing the killing blow on every target possible. Shadow Word: Death is the key to keeping your mana high. In this level range you'll have both a glyph and a talent that allow SW:Death to restore your mana on use.
The reason why mana is so important is because now you can also start to cast your DoT spells much more frequently. You'll see an increase in your kill speed as well as how fast you can burn through kill quests by spreading DoT's across several mobs at a time. By getting spells and abilities that also grant you and your party healing based on the damage you deal you're also able to stay alive in situations that most other cloth-wearing casters would have a trip to the spirit healer.
Shadow Priests aren't designed to burn things down with massive bursts of damage, instead they're meant to overwhelm their targets with so much damage from so many different sources at once that they can't even get to you before they're dead. And when a Shadow Priest tells someone to die, they list.
Important Spells & Abilities
There aren't all that many new spells that get introduced in this level range. The spells that do get introduced though, are a pretty big deal.
- Shackle Undead: Shackles the target undead enemy for up to 50 sec. The shackled unit is unable to move, attack or cast spells. Any damage caused will release the target. Only one target can be shackled at a time.
- Shadow Word: Death: A word of dark binding that inflicts Shadow damage to the target. Deals three times as much damage to targets below 25% health. If the target is not killed by Shadow Word: Death, the caster takes damage equal to the damage inflicted upon the target.
- Levitate: Allows the friendly party or raid target to levitate, floating a few feet above the ground. While levitating, the target will fall at a reduced speed and travel over water. Any damage will cancel the effect. Lasts 2 min.
- Mind Vision: Allows the caster to see through the target's eyes for 1 min. Will not work if the target is in another instance or on another continent.
- Mind Control: Controls a humanoid mind up to level 41, but increases the time between its attacks by 25%. Lasts up to 30 sec.
While you won't use Shackle Undead on a frequent basis at all, it's important to be aware of what forms of Crowd Control you have available in your class. This spell effectively removes one undead target from the fight for 50 seconds, or until damaged. As Discipline spell you can cast it in Shadowform safely.
Shadow Word: Death is the most important spell for you to get familiar with in this bracket. A lot of people get a little freaked out by the part where it deals damage to you too if you don't kill the target with it, but that's why you're going to practice using it on every mob you face. You'll lessen the damage you take with talent points, though it's not anything to worry about in the first place, really.
Levitate is one of those spells that's just plain useful. In relation to combat about the only time I use it is when I've got some great terrain I can take advantage of where I can DoT the mobs and have them chase me up a cliff and then I can just off and Levitate down slowly while they continue to chase me and my DoT's kill them off without me ever getting hit. Otherwise it's useful in getting around pre-flying mount and for fishing if you like to fish on the water where mobs won't (usually) attack you.
Normally I wouldn't even bother mentioning Mind Vision, but its usefulness in PvP is worth mentioning. You can follow people just about everywhere with this spell so you can either use it on your own teammates to be an extra scout for them or you can cast it on the enemy flag carrier to know exactly where he's hiding or the path he's taking if he's running away. It's a sweet spell to have in PvP even if it's usefulness in dungeons or solo questing is pretty limited. If you're trying to find a special mob that you can't see though, you do have the option of using a "/target MobName" to target them and then using this to see where they actually are.
Mind Control is the reason I got interested in Priests in the first place. Being able to take control of your target and make them do what you want is a lot of fun, especially in PvP. The only thing I like more than knocking people off of cliffs is making them jump off "voluntarily". It's especially fun when the target is in PvP and knows the effect and what's about to happen, and then the spell breaks because of damage and they don't take control back immediately because they expected to die, and then you grab them again just as they find hope and fling them off the cliff anyway. I love this spell.
Leveling a Shadow Priest
This is my rotation right now for killing single targets. Prior to level 49 when you actually learn Vampiric Touch, just substitute it with a Mind Blast instead. The point here is to start the damage on the target with the DoT's/MindBlast, use the Mind Flay to help speed the drop the target to 25% Health or less and then finish them off with a SW:Death cast.
If the target isn't at 25% by the time Mind Flay finishes you need to make a judgement call. Either you Mind Flay them again because they're way over 25% health, or you just sit there and wait a few seconds for your DoT's to get them there, and then you finish them with SW:Death.
If my target isn't high enough for another Mind Flay I usually just go grab another target and start doing the same thing to it while I wait for the previous target to get within SW:Death range, then I'll switch target to them, SW:Death, and then back to my current target. I suggest you use a Name Plates addon if you're not using one already. My addon of choice for this is called TidyPlates/ThreatPlates because it also makes the nameplates show agro so I know when I need to back off to let my tank get agro back.
The way this one works doesn't necessarily come out in listing the spells, so here's the deal. Pick a target and cast Vampiric Touch followed by an immediate Devouring Plague. Remember, you can only have Devouring Plague on one target at a time, but having all three of your DoT's on a non-boss is typically overkill. So the first target gets Vampiric Touch and Devouring Plague and then your additional targets get Vampiric Touch and SW:Pain.
Whenever you see one of the mobs getting close enough that SW:Death can finish them off, use it. Once your Devouring Plague target dies, use it in place of SW:Pain on the next mob you pull. Two DoT's should be all you need to kill the mobs, or at least get them close enough that SW:Death can finish them off. If you find that you aren't doing enough to kill them with that go ahead and add in Mind Blast first (because it will trigger Replenishment from Vampiric Touch to restore 10% of your mana) and Mind Flay when Mind Blast is on cooldown.
I also suggest you go ahead and bubble yourself after pulling the first or second target just to on the safe side. Kill off all the targets you can with SW:Death to trigger its mana regeneration as well, and don't worry if it doesn't kill them since Masochism will kick in at that point to reward you with 10% of your mana anyway. Just be sure to keep an eye on your health when pulling several mobs and using SW:Death because it does have the chance to be deadly if overused when you're already taking heavy damage.
For LFG trash I like to go ahead and spread SW:Pain around to all of the mobs first because it's an instant cast. After all of them have their DoT's I'll go ahead and Vampiric Touch one of them just to trigger Replenishment with my next Mind Blast, and then I'll just switch between Mind Blast and Mind Flay to finish everything off.
The point is to get some damage rolling on all of the mobs from your DoT and then burn them down one at a time with your direct damage spells (Blast/Flay), using SW:Death to kill them off whenever possible.
Remember, no matter where you are or what you're doing, if you get the chance to kill something with SW:Death – do it. Priests and Warriors are the only classes that I know of that have a special ability that triggers off of landing killing blows that's actually significant. For Priests it's mana regen via the Spirit Tap glyph and for Warriors it's additional damage and healing via Victory Rush (I love that spell). Stealing killing blows from other Priests and Warriors is kind of mean, so at least consider whether or not you're sure you want to steal a kill from one of them, but for all other classes just remember – you're a Sith Lord, not some code-following Jedi.
This is the rotation I prefer to use with a boss fight. You start it off by applying all three of your DoT's, then a Mind Blast to trigger the replenishment effect for your party. SW:Death comes next to deal some instant damage and also give you back 10% of your mana form the Masochism talent followed by Mind Flay casts until Mind Flay comes off of cooldown.
Refresh your DoT's as needed and cast Mind Blast when it's not on cooldown both for the damage and for the replenishment effect. SW:Death will help you keep your own mana topped off, but feel free to skip casting it if you feel like you're dealing too much damage to yourself to justify casting it. Sniping a boss kill with SW:Death is a lot harder than normal mobs because so many different people will be hitting it at the same time that you'll usually end up casting it too early or the boss is dead before you get the cast off.
Talent Spec: 49 Shadow Priest
- Improved Mind Blast (+2) 3/3: Reduces the cooldown of your Mind Blast spell by 2 sec., and while in Shadowform your Mind Blast also has a 100% chance to reduce all healing done to the target by 10% for 10 sec.
- Improved Psychic Scream 2/2: Reduces the cooldown of your Psychic Scream spell by 4 sec.
- Vampiric Embrace 1/1: Fills you with the embrace of Shadow energy, causing you to be healed for 6% and other party members to be healed for 3% of any single-target Shadow spell damage you deal for 30 min.
- Masochism 2/2: When you take a damaging attack equal to or greater than 10% of your total health or damage yourself with your Shadow Word: Death, you instantly gain 10% of your total mana.
- Silence 1/1: Silences the target, preventing them from casting spells for 5 sec. Non-player victim spellcasting is also interrupted for 3 sec.
- Mind Melt 1/2:
Increases the damage done with your Shadow Word: Death by 15% on targets at or below 25% health, and when you deal damage with Mind Spike, the cast time of your next Mind Blast is reduced by 25% lasting 6 sec. Mind Melt can stack up to 2 times.
- Vampiric Touch 1/1: Causes 540 Shadow damage over 15 sec to your target and causes up to 10 party or raid members to gain 1% of their maximum mana per 10 sec when you deal damage from Mind Blast.
The first thing on the list here is to finish off Improved Mind Blast so that we can get that cooldown reduced and use it more often. If you already spent points here then I suggest you put those two points into Twisted Faith instead so that you can turn your Spirit into Hit Rating.
Improved Psychic Scream by itself isn't all that great unless you're really using Scream a lot, but the reason we're taking it is to open up access to Silence further down the tree. If you don't want either of these two talents, which I know some of you will not, then I suggest putting 2 points into Harnessed Shadows to increase your Shadow Orb generation and move the point in Silence over to Mind Melt to max it.
Vampiric Embrace is an excellent buff that causes your direct damage spells to heal you and your party for a percentage of the damage that you do. You want to keep this buff active at all times.
Masochism is the moon to our mana pool's sun, otherwise known as Shadow Word: Death. It causes you to restore 10% of your Total Mana any time a single attack hits you for at least 10% of your health or when you damage yourself with SW:Death. So if you cast SW:Death and it doesn't kill them, then this talent restores 10% of your mana, but if it does kill them then the Glyph of Spirit Tap will restore 12% of your total mana. It's a win-win situation.
Silence is an excellent tool. If you're just solo questing then you can probably skip this one because casters aren't going to be a huge threat to you. If you're doing LFG or PvP though, then you want to be able to use this. The main reason I took it was to get the casters to close into melee range on the ignorant tanks I was running with who didn't know to pull melee mobs onto the casters so they would stop trying to kill our healers.
Mind Melt has a couple of really cool effects, though we only benefit from one of them in this level bracket. Increasing the damage that SW:Death deals to targets below 25% health helps to ensure that you get your 12% mana returns from the Glyph of Spirit Tap when you kill targets with SW: Death. I only have one point in it for now, but the next talent point we get outside of this bracket I placed here to increase it further.
Vampiric Touch is the final touch we were waiting for to solidify the end of our mana issues. This spell is a DoT with a cast time, but we can put it on any number of targets. It also has the added benefit of causing a Replenishment effect on up to 10 raid/party members in your group when you cast Mind Blast. Replenishment causes the targets to restore 10% of their maximum mana over 10 seconds. Once you get this spell it becomes the one you'll use to pull from here on.
Prime Glyhphs
- Glyph of Mind Flay: Increases the damage done by your Mind Flay spell by 10% when your target is afflicted with Shadow Word: Pain.
- Glyph of Shadow Word: Pain: Increases the periodic damage of your Shadow Word: Pain by 10%.
Even though mana issues melt away in this level range and you can more freely use your DoT's, I still think that Mind Flay is the best choice here because of how often you'll end up casting it, especially on boss fights. Using SW:Pain will increase your DPS on trash in LFG if you're spreading your DoT's around, but you'll have to decide how important that is to you. I would freely support the use of either one, though.
Major Glyphs
- Glyph of Spirit Tap: When you kill a target with your Shadow Word: Death and yield experience or honor, you instantly receive 12% of your total mana over 12 sec.
- Glyph of Fade: Reduces the cooldown of your Fade spell by 9 sec.
- Glyph of Psychic Scream: Targets of your Psychic Scream spell now tremble in place instead of fleeing in fear, but the cooldown of Psychic Scream is increased by 3 sec.
Without a doubt, your major glyph of choice is Spirit Tap. This glyph is what causes you to stop having mana issues. I've recently found that I'm pulling threat like crazy, so I'm pushing Fade up a bit in the priority list. Psychic Scream is a decent option, especially if you're going to run LFG, but I generally cast this when soloing or in PvP where I would prefer the targets flee.
Minor Glyphs
- Glyph of Levitate: Your Levitate spell no longer requires a reagent.
- Glyph of Fortitude: Reduces the mana cost of your Power Word: Fortitude spell by 50%.
- Glyph of Fading: Reduces the mana cost of your Fade spell by 30%.
I don't find Levitate to be nearly as useful as a Mage's Slowfall spell, but it's not a bad substitute so I like to be able to cast it without having to worry about a reagent. Fortitude is a great option if you like to chain LFG runs for quick and easy experience as it will cut down on your mana consumption. You shouldn't have problems with mana, but there's no reason to waste it, right? Fading isn't bad, especially if you find yourself pushing your tank's threat a lot. Where Fortitude reduces your mana spending outside of combat, Fading does so during combat so you might find it more useful.
Gearing Up Your Priest
At this level range you should have enough of your mana returning spells and effects that Spirit isn't quite so important now as far as mana is concerned. Spirit is still a good stat to have, especially with points in Twisted Faith turning it into Hit Rating, but at this point I wouldn't bother stacking it above other stats that are more important to your DPS.
Stat Priority: Intellect > Haste > Crit > Spirit
So I've changed up the priority list just a little bit, dropping Spirit down a couple of notches because it's not as important anymore. Intellect is always the top priority for DPS casters as it provides mana, spellpower, and spell crit. I have Haste ranked next because it can increase your DPS in multiple ways, but it's especially good for classes that make use of DoT's. I bumbed Crit up in the list mostly because of the drop in Spirit's importance, but also because watching all of your DoT's crit and taking a target from 85% down to 14% is a wonderful sight to see, and makes excellent SW:Death fodder for refilling your mana pool.


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A total of 28 local wrestlers made their way out of the individual district tournaments held on Saturday.
By placing in the top four of their respective flights, the 28 grapplers will all move onto the regional rounds, which will be held this coming Saturday at Eaton Rapids and Bangor high schools for our local wrestlers.
Division 2
The Division 2 schools in the area, Sturgis and Three Rivers, competed at the Stevensville-Lakeshore district Saturday.
Advancing to the Eaton Rapids regional for Sturgis are four grapplers.
"It's that's time of year again, it's like we are starting over at zero again," Sturgis coach Bryan Boughton said. "Now we are seeing who wants to go and who wants to put in the work at this level of the year."
Alejandro Soto at 112 pounds beat Edwardsburg's Dylan Dixon 2-1 to take third place in his flight. At 130 pounds, Ricardo Soto placed fourth place, falling to Parma Western's Cameron Owens in their final match.
Also taking fourth place for the Trojans and advancing to the regional round was Luke Carver at 145 pounds and Dayland Bowser at 152 pounds.
"It's nice to see a couple of seniors in Ricky and Dayland who made it out last year to do it again this year," Boughton said.
For Three Rivers, three wrestlers advanced through the rounds and qualified for regionals. All three of those wrestlers took second place.
Shawn Brew at 152, Leo Eggleston at 215 and Dallas Recker at 285 will also be competing at the Eaton Rapids regional next week.
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The Division 4 districts were held at Constantine High School on Saturday. Several local schools competed at the district, with a total of 21 wrestlers qualifying for regionals.
The competition started at 160 pounds.
In that flight, three local grapplers qualified with Constantine's Tommy Reed beating Bronson's Dan Erwin in the finals. Colon's Jesse Binkley also qualified, beating Zack Newton of Cassopolis in the third place match.
At 171 pounds Leo Mora of Bronson topped Jason Nash of Decatur in the finals. Constantine's Ben Mallo placed third overall in that flight.
At 189 pounds just Bronson's Brett Burtrum qualified. He beat Cole Southworth of Decatur in the finals. The 215-pound weight class saw two local wrestlers reach regionals. Constantine's Phil VanZile took second place, falling to Jack Bensley of Schoolcraft in the finals. Nate Petoskey of Constantine took third place.
Constantine's Andrew Turner at 285 took third place and was the only qualifier in that flight.
One wrestler at 103 pounds made regionals. That was White Pigeon's Rogelio Segundo, who took fourth place overall.
Mendon's Caleb Henckel placed fourth in the 112-pound weight class.
At 119 pounds Bronson's Jake Littlefield topped the competition and placed first overall, beating Austin Beach of Lawton 5-0 in the finals.
Taking second place at 125 pounds was Bronson's Hunter Machus.
He fell to Hunter Bell of Decatur in the finals. Also qualifying was Constantine's Anthony Rudloff, who took third place.
Just one grappler qualified at 130 pounds. Bronson's Kahle Scheenks took fourth place.
At 135 pounds Constantine's Cody Hartwick qualified for regionals. He placed fourth overall.
Two grapplers made it from the 140 pound weight class.
Constantine's Andres Montoya took second place, falling to Niles-Brandywine's Chanc Ravish in the finals. Bronson's Joe Albarran placed third overall. He beat Tyler Howard of Union City 8-3 in their third-place bout.
At 145 pounds, Bronson's Brandon Losinski topped Andy Waterman of Constantine in the finals. They were the only two qualifiers locally in that weight class.
Jukoada Sexton took second place at 152. He fell to Brody Conner of Lawton in the finals.
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Is it funny? Really? Truly?
Hey Co.ink? Howcum you haven't answered MY IMPORTANT QUESTION ON PAGE 4 POST 7?Maybe because I'm busy answering the 10 other questions I received while answering the question from page 1.
I have some good stuff on the slavery issue and I'll post it later so you'll just have to wait "if you even care".
You could just Google Bible Slavery apologetics and find out some of this stuff for yourself but I'll start a thread about it later.
it's grand fun to watch coink run to Ehrman when convenient. So, coink do you believe everything else Ehrman says about your religion? and I love the attempts to make belive that one can hang himself, die, and then burst his guts out and die again. one doesn't fall "headlong" if one drops off like rotten fruit from a tree. Nice cribbing from AiG, but it still fails.
God punishes people collectively. Maybe it is primitive and uncivilized but that's the way it was done.
So has God become more sophisticated and civilized? Always at the same rate as human society? How convenient. The unchanging God of absolute morals, who shifts his views to fit the SPAG of his followers.
I guess he has if you look at as being more sophisticated and civilized.
God set apart Israel for a reason, he had them obey dietary laws and the way they dressed and their government was a theocracy. Some of the laws became null and void once they stopped wandering in the desert
and established a nation they were only to set themselves apart from the heathen nations and not to intermingle. Then when they became a nation and demanded a King they became a democracy, the temple cleanliness laws were still to be obeyed such as diet and such because of temple purity.
The priests sacrificed animals on the altar for the sins of the people, something that started with Abraham a Chaldean Jew. This was a picture or a promise of the messiah that would come and present a final sacrifice for the people. Every sacrifice for sin in the old testament was foreshadowing what was to come. The people had to stay pure and sacrifice once a year. The OT prophecies Isa 53 Psalm 22 and many others portrayed a suffering servant who would die for the sins of the people.
Jesus in the NT was sinless and perfect and became that sacrifice.
Once he did that he fulfilled the OT law regarding sin sacrifice and the OT Jewish laws for temple purity diet clothing etc were unnecessary because there would be no more animals sacrificed since He was the sacrificial Lamb.
The Jews haven't had animal sacrifice in 2000 years because when Jesus died he said it is finished "promise fulfilled"
and the curtain of the Holy of Holies was ripped in two making it impossible to perform sacrifices there.
People in the new covenant or promise that God promised in the OT when the old covenant was broken are now judged as individuals. I can't bring sin offerings for my sons and daughter they have to come to God themselves and make that commitment.
God hasn't changed his morals He has changed the methods and practices of how he deals with people.
The Jews had a moral law in the OT but added all kinds of other laws and traditions that made it impossible for outsiders to become part of God's family.
Jesus came to set things straight and establish the new covenant Jeremiah 31:31-34 as promised. Today Christianity has done the same thing. God clearly wanted the Jews to become a great nation
Genesis 18:18 and all the world to come to know him through them.
They made Judaism and exclusive club.
Today many Christian denominations have added rules traditions and laws that need to be followed in order to be in God's family but that is not how God intended it.
Genesis15:6 And he [Abraham] believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Abraham was saved by faith in God alone the sacrifice for sin that messiah would bring.
Christians are saved by faith in God alone through Christ and the sacrifice he made.
The Jews looked forward in the sacrifices, Christians look back to the once and for all sacrifice.
It doesn't matter, he does heal some and not others. God saves some and not others as well. I don't know why, I don't know why he doesn't save everyone but I've met some Atheists who say they wouldn't become Christians even if they knew Christianity is true.
http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/scientific-proofs-of-the-bible.htmlhttp://www.creatingfutures.net/evidence.htmlHere are some pieces for you. I was going to cut and paste some info here but instead I'll just post the links. http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/
I've told people before that if I could be talked out of my Christianity I would be.
On top of that my personal relationship with Christ is very real,
I have experienced answered prayer and known his presence in ways I can't explain. But if I felt the Bible was untrue and Christianity was false I would walk away and never look back.
I do think God punishes people collectively though, it's done over and over in scripture, I'm just not sure that's what was happing in WWII.
Seriously, those sites of Dinks are bad even by Christian standards.
Quote from: Alzael on April 14, 2012, 12:55:33 AMSeriously, those sites of Dinks are bad even by Christian standards. Indeed. I commend you for your effort in going through that. It was too painful for me to endure to write a significant rebuttal. You know, when things like that happen, I almost feel betrayed. Here I am, perfectly willing to give any evidence its due consideration, and hoping to be challenged, and be presented with something new, intriguing, and revolutionary. Then we are offered garbage like that. It's kind of like someone inviting you over for dinner, wanting to show off their culinary skills, only when the dish is put on the table, it's rotting coleslaw. Or having a car dealer tell you about this wonderful car they have and can offer you cheap, then he presents you with a rusted out Dodge Omni. What really scares me, though, is the volume of people who apparently read such terrible arguments and say "You know what? They're RIGHT! OF COURSE! Hallelujah, praise the Lord!". THAT is scary. While such arguments might be really effective for intellectual giants like Sarah Palin, they really are not appropriate for a serious discussion.
I'm probably not going to answer every question I'm asked either. If the thread is about slavery I'm going to talk about slavery and if people bring up other topics I'll just keep pushing on with the subject at hand.
Alzael said he'd heard it all before anyway so it's kind of a waste of time. If he's already dismissed my arguments before I make them it's pretty certain he's not going to concede anything.
Where exactly have I outright dismissed your arguments?
Quote from: Co.Inkadink on April 10, 2012, 04:35:29 PMIrrelevant if slavery was right or wrong then. It is wrong now.Quote And why is it wrong? By what standard? As I said, irrelevant question.
Irrelevant if slavery was right or wrong then. It is wrong now.Quote And why is it wrong? By what standard?
And why is it wrong? By what standard?
To me calling my question irrelevant is dismissing it.
Quote from: Co.Inkadink on April 14, 2012, 06:32:31 PMTo me calling my question irrelevant is dismissing it.Ah, I see. "To you" it was a dismissal. That still doesn't justify your statement and the implications made in it. You implied that I had outright dismissed all of your arguments. Instead the only example you show is a part where I said that a question you made that was entirely irrelevant to the issue being talked about was irrelevant. Interesting viewpoint.But ok, I'll give you this one and concede that such a statement could have potentially been considered a dismissal. Do you then agree that your implication that I had dismissed everything you said was made in error?
And while we're on that subject should we talk about your dismissals of other peoples points/questions? Or the ones that you outright refused to respond to (made by several members so far)? Because I'm pretty sure that your list is WAY longer. And don't bother trying to play the "no time" card. You've already admitted that you're doing it at least partly on purpose, so that ship has sailed.
I have read some Hitchens, Dawkins and Erhman, I've listened to debates with all of them and Sam Harris and others and have read up on Stephen Hawking.I love Hitchens, and Erhman and strongly dislike Dawkins.
If the thread is about slavery I'm going to talk about slavery and if people bring up other topics I'll just keep pushing on with the subject at hand.
Alzael said he'd heard it all before anyway so it's kind of a waste of time.
If he's already dismissed my arguments before I make them it's pretty certain he's not going to concede anything.That's IF. I guess well see.
Listen I haven't refused anything. If anyone wants to bring up points again I'll answer them, I'm even going to use some of these posts in the other threads and I asked people to PM me if it was off topic and I'd join another debate thread and talk about it there.
Quote from: Azdgari on July 06, 2011, 10:46:21 PMSo you don't understand that you were being intellectually dishonest?Or you do understand that, and don't understand how it would make someone angry?I would appreciate it if you didn't ignore the pertinent points I made in my post.No I wasn't being intellectually dishonest. I haven't ignored anything. I have to process some of the things you and others have said, I may think about it awhile and get back to you later.
So you don't understand that you were being intellectually dishonest?Or you do understand that, and don't understand how it would make someone angry?I would appreciate it if you didn't ignore the pertinent points I made in my post.
I'm going to take my time though. I'm about to log off for a while because I have a life.I hope to continue this discussion and others later.
I have a few questions "rhetorical" What's the big hurry here?
I'll probably discuss every topic mentioned in this thread and then some in the future.
Is it possible that I would like to think things through rather than coming up with a knee jerk response to hush people?
I'm not going to just be emotional and post I'm trying to think it through.
Alzael, perhaps I'm missing something but when a typical theist comes here, they are confronted with several posts per thread.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."
Quote from: Alzael on April 14, 2012, 08:45:28 PMAlzael, perhaps I'm missing something but when a typical theist comes here, they are confronted with several posts per thread.The posts in the thread are walls of text.I think, its unrealistic to expect any human with a life to reply to all those texts. Certainly, if I were in his place and right now I don't have a life, I'd only respond to a few of them.I was just trying to respond to one of these posts, Velkyn's. A careful response would take far too much time.Now to be far, perhaps walls of text begat walls of text; i.e., the OPs may not have been short either.
I read Atheist authors regularly maybe you can check out these sites and look at it from another perspective.
I think there is a real difference between 1) well thought out, carefully crafted, original, on-point "walls of text" that are just long responses
and 2) cut 'n paste walls 'o text from some apologist website
, 3) the unedited, rambling, grammatically incorrect, free-floating stream-of-unconsciousness walls of text that we get from some people. Like wordybird of a few days ago.
We just like to see people put some thought and time into their responses.
Even if a reply is short, it should show evidence of a thought process.
The problem is, we often get theists who really don't understand what they believe.
And they cannot admit that they just don't have a good answer to our questions.


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The pair are famously at odds with each other, but are now due to hold talks in about four weeks' time.
Le Tissier called for a meeting after hearing comments made about him by Cortese in a recent interview on Sky Sports News.
He contacted Saints just over a week ago with a view to arranging talks, and subsequently received a response via the club secretary, Ros Wheeler.
"I got a call Friday, after I rang them on Monday, saying that he is quite happy to have a meeting with me in good faith," said Le Tissier, who added that Cortese wishes for only the two of them to be present.
"He said he could could make it in four weeks' time, and it would more than likely be in London."
In his interview on Sky, which was conducted by presenter Jim White during the club's trip to Barcelona last month, Cortese was asked about his relationship and supposed "feud" with Le Tissier.
The St Mary's chief said: "You just mentioned this individual. I don't even know him. He has never met me. I don't know what his issue he seems to be having with me (is).
"I think any one of the people involved in the past or associated to the club who has been stirring negativity towards me they should probably ask themselves as well whether this is beneficial for the club.
"You never hear me saying anything badly about them. Also, again, because I would not allow myself to characterise or to judge a person I have never met."
Le Tissier has taken exception to Cortese's claim that they have never met.
"He flat out lied in that interview," said Le Tissier. "He said he'd never met me, which was a complete lie, considering I was in the boardroom speaking to him for about 15 minutes before the first (league) game that they [late owner Markus Liebherr and Cortese] were in charge, against Millwall."
The man voted by fans as the greatest player in the club's history said he was also prompted to approach Saints after hearing Cortese's assertion that "Everybody – I'm not excluding anyone – who has got Southampton at heart has got a place at our club."
Le Tissier said: "That was why I decided to ring up the football club and ask him for a meeting, because I believe I come into that category.
"You should be together as one and you shouldn't alienate people as he has done."
Asked what he hopes to achieve from the meeting, Le Tissier said: "I would like to ask him some questions about what he said in his interview, and about what he's done to some of my friends.
"I would like him to look me in the eye and give me some reasons why he's done the stuff he's done."
Le Tissier particularly wants to address the issue of the treatment of his close friend and former teammate, Francis Benali, who he says is banned from the club.
"If he doesn't think Franny Benali has got the best interests of Southampton Football Club at heart he's very much mistaken," said Le Tissier.
"Southampton Football Club means more to Francis Benali than it ever will to him, and for Franny to be banned from the football club is, in my opinion, nothing short of disgusting."
Le Tissier added: "His actions are very different from the words that he spoke in that interview, and I'd like to question him on it."
Le Tissier said he also wants to broach the subject of Cortese's relationship with the Ex-Saints Association, which is understood to have soured.
Despite their clear differences, Le Tissier believes it is possible for he and Cortese to find a way to move forward.
He said: "We'll probably never be best of mates, but if he starts treating people with a bit of respect, and I'm not talking about myself – he can treat me how he wants, it's not going to change the way I feel about the football club – but there are a lot of people that have been affected by some of the stuff he's done, and I don't think it's right.
"If he wants to right those wrongs and start with a clean slate so be it, and as he says 'move together as one'."
The Daily Echo contacted the club to offer them the opportunity to respond to, or clarify, any of the points made, but did not receive a response by the time of going to press.


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As I began writing this, I was just about ready to remind myself not to forget to call child No. 4 and wish him happy birthday.
As I began writing this, I was just about ready to remind myself not to forget to call child No. 4 and wish him happy birthday. Then I caught myself. February 17 is not his birthday, it's my niece's birthday. His birthday is Feb. 19. For too many years now I've been wishing him a happy birthday two days early.
He and my niece are both good sports about it, but at my age, I'm sporting disaster if I don't get their birthdays straight. They might try to put me away somewhere. Who knows? They might even think I could be a danger to myself or others.
Just to assure myself that I remember their birthdays on the proper day, I marked my calendar on the 17th: Janice's birthday, and on the 19th: Charles' birthday. I decided not to take any chances. For once, I'm going to get it right. Well, I'm going to try anyway.
For the past few weeks I've been trying to complete a calendar with the family's birthdays, anniversaries, etc. Every time I think I'm finished I remember another one. Just a few minutes ago I looked at that calendar and have one great-granddaughter's birthday in January and February. That's bad enough, but I have her listed under two different family names, her dad's and her grandfather's. No, I'm not "losing it." I caught my own error, didn't I? That should prove something.
So far, I have more than 100 entries on my calendar, but I must be short a few since I'm including birthdays and anniversaries. I hope I didn't bite off more than I can chew.
A few years ago, I made a calendar but can't find my copy. Oops, should I have admitted that? I may be paving my way to my "retirement" home. Let's hope not.
Our family is so big that, in the process of making this calendar, I found out that some children had been added to families and I didn't know about it. Or more likely I knew and forgot. (Another nail hammered into the building of my "retirement home.") Something's telling me I'd best stop advertising my shortcomings.
Somehow, I don't think I need to worry about being sent to my "retirement home." Once they see the finished product they'll know that it took a person with a good head on her shoulders to undertake such an endeavor. Well, I hope that's what they think anyway. I hate for them to think I was a "fruitcake" to take on such a task. I will say one thing: I had a great time putting this calendar together and would do it again if I had to.
I might have to, too. With babies arriving like snowflakes falling in the northern states, it won't be long before this calendar is outdated. Unless I can outsource the work, I'll have to do it myself. It is a pleasant task, so I wouldn't mind doing it myself. (That should be a few points in my favor when it comes to "retirement home" time.)
Besides, I plan to keep a copy of it on my computer — just in case I lose my paper copy. I don't want to take any chances.
Now, if I remember to look at my calendar for those two birthdays I mentioned earlier, I should be okay. But just in case I forget to look at my calendar, today I wish Janice a happy birthday, and Charles, have a happy birthday Tuesday. That should do it.
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TUSCALOOSA | City transportation officials are awaiting a decision on a round of automatic spending cuts that could ax $600 million from the Federal Aviation Administration's budget and possibly affect Tuscaloosa's air traffic controllers.
TUSCALOOSA | City transportation officials are awaiting a decision on a round of automatic spending cuts that could ax $600 million from the Federal Aviation Administration's budget and possibly affect Tuscaloosa's air traffic controllers.
But Jon Howell, associate director of the Tuscaloosa Department of Transportation, said that little, if anything, would change in terms of the services offered by the Tuscaloosa Regional Airport should the cuts take place.
"We do have a contingency plan, but we're obviously hoping that it gets resolved," Howell said. "We're hoping for the best and planning for the worst."
The FAA's cuts, are expected to take effect March 1 unless Congress acts to stop them.
Should these cuts go forward and result in shift reductions on behalf of Robinson Aviation, the Oklahoma City-based company hired to handle the local airport's air traffic control services, planes will still be allowed to land and take off from Tuscaloosa, Howell said.
"Any operations that are going on out there now will continue," Howell said. "Anything past Friday, the airport will remain the same. There won't be a lapse in any kind of service that the airport now offers."
Now, air traffic controllers man the tower at the Tuscaloosa Regional Airport from 6 a.m. to 8 p.m. each day. Once the controllers go home, pilots use the tower services from the Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport, the radar for which covers Tuscaloosa's air space.
Should the automatic cuts result in Tuscaloosa losing its 14 hours of daily air traffic control monitoring, in- and outbound pilots will use Birmingham's air traffic system around the clock.
"You've got professional pilots who know the rules of the road in case there's not a (staffed) tower," Howell said.
Charlie Taylor, the vice president of air traffic service for Robinson Aviation, said the company is awaiting word from the FAA on what the plan is going forward.
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While Tuscaloosa officials maintain that business will continue as usual, the FAA cuts could mean delays or service reductions for airports larger than the Tuscaloosa Regional Airport.
The Obama administration is warning that the automatic spending cuts scheduled will result in travel delays at major airports and require traffic-disrupting shutdowns of air traffic control towers at smaller facilities.
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