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- Anonymous said...
National Maritime Museum has been shut because of rumours of rioting planned in Greenwich Park - my husband works there and is on his way home now...
- 9 August 2011 at 14:39
- Amy said...
Thanks for the accruate feed guys!
- 9 August 2011 at 14:39
- Nathan David Smith said...
Really good to have something focused on accuracy in the sea of social network-cased journalism.
- 9 August 2011 at 14:42
- Anonymous said...
Apparently Crystal Palace shopkeepers have been told to close by police, due to large group gathering in Crystal Palace Park. (source: friend who spoke to one of the shopkeepers)
- 9 August 2011 at 14:42
- Anonymous said...
Son's nursery is closing - all parents asked to come and pick up. Staff there live mainly in Peckham / Catford areas - they are receiving updates from friends that it's all kicking off - no official news of this sort yet though.
- 9 August 2011 at 14:46
- Jennifer said...
Hello - the Esso on Brockley Road now has witches hats to stop cars going in, but based on how busy it was this morning and the fact most of the pumps have 'out of service' signs on them, I'm guessing this is because they have run out of petrol.
Otherwise, as of 2.45pm, Brockley Road between the station and Adelaide Road is all calm.
- 9 August 2011 at 14:49
- Brockley Dogging Society said...
Brockley Doggers will be weilding the baton for a second night.
- 9 August 2011 at 14:51
- T said...
Blackheath shops closing and window displays being removed ahead of predicted looting/rioting
- 9 August 2011 at 14:55
- Anonymous said...
Ladywell pretty much locked down now. Youth starting to congregate on quieter roads. Just seen 10 riot vans hurtling through new cross in Lewisham direction (5 of which were welsh!). Eerie atmosphere around Lewisham/brockley/ladywell
- 9 August 2011 at 14:56
- Anonymous said...
Local restaurant closed - oh no my mistake, just went into a vegetarian cafe expecting service :)
- 9 August 2011 at 14:57
- Anonymous said...
Rumours that looting has started in Penge, with the High Street closed and gangs of kids freely walking down looting the shops. Can anyone confirm this?
- 9 August 2011 at 15:04
- Anonymous said...
Shops in Sydenham have been closed early (except Morley's, which says it all). Savacentre in Bell Green has removed all electrical goods from store shelves in case looting does break out.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:06
- Anonymous said...
http://robichowdhury.com/2011/08/09/how-to-barricade-your-propertystore/ Advice on making your property safe, just in case
- 9 August 2011 at 15:09
- Anonymous said...
Heard that Tesco Lewisham has been asked to close early
- 9 August 2011 at 15:09
- Marc said...
Back from the big Tescos in Lewisham,tense atmosphere once they started to put the calls out they were closing it.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:11
- Adele said...
We were evacuated from Manor House library/park earlier on and most of Ladywell is now shut (El's Kitchen still battling on, as is Oscar's). All very quiet on the streets though.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:14
- Mouse said...
I've also heard there's trouble in Penge - from a collegue's babysitter who lives there.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:16
- T said...
just heard it's starting in Elephant and Castle
- 9 August 2011 at 15:19
- Anonymous said...
There are alot of sirens from vehicles going up and down Loampit vale.... more than usual. Can't see which way they are going from here though.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:20
- Anonymous said...
Lewisham Council staff at the Catford buildings (Laurence House and Town Hall) have been told that 'that business as usual should continue during normal working hours'. Seeing as all shops in Lewisham, Catford, Greenwich etc are closed as are local nurseries and kaleidoscope, I'm not sure why they have given this advice.
In other news, Bojo is a pillock.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:23
- Ratbag said...
My lodger has just texted me to say that all the businesses in Sydenham , Penge, Forest Hill and East Dulwich have closed. I hope they don't close Canary Wharf early as I have an eyetest booked for 6.20 at Vision Express.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:30
- Anonymous said...
Christ alive - this is the most disgusting thing I have heard yet about why this is all going on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424
- 9 August 2011 at 15:30
- Danja said...
Good article for those with a way through the FT paywall.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:38
- Marc said...
Met's started to put pictures of rioters on flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/metropolitanpolice/
- 9 August 2011 at 15:38
- Anonymous said...
Weightwatchers cancelled in Brockley tonight (St. Andrews church on Brockley Road)
- 9 August 2011 at 15:39
- Anonymous said...
Meanwhile local drug dealers on Upper Brockley Road are taking full advantage of police preoccupations..just have a look.
This same mob was seen giving directions to 'youths' last night, after it turned out the 'youths' were going the wrong way.
Supercuts Off-licence with recent alcohol ban is also doing a roaring trade in selling alcohol to those congregagted in the area.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:40
- Anonymous said...
Sorry to niggle, but I like when the most recent update is at the top of the page, and the older ones are at the bottom. Might just be me. But keep up the good work, and we appreciate you updating us.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:40
- L said...
Speedicars refusing to take a booking for a journey that goes to Catford, citing riots as the reason.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:40
- Anonymous said...
Supercuts doesn't currently have an alcohol ban imposed, Supermungs however don't seem to be able to stem the tide they're spewing...
- 9 August 2011 at 15:41
- Anonymous said...
I just called Tomboys hairdressers on Harefield Road to book an appointment for the missus. They've been given a warning that they're headed Brockley way from Nunhead....
- 9 August 2011 at 15:44
- Brockley Nick said...
@Anon 1540 - you're right
- 9 August 2011 at 15:51
- Anonymous said...
I've been told by a friend who lives in Woolwich that yobs have been trying to burn down Plumstead Fire Station and are making their way towards Woolwich...not sure if this is correct - can anyone confirm?
- 9 August 2011 at 15:52
- Anonymous said...
just to echo other comments - thank you for the accurate and measured news feed.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:55
- MsBarriedale said...
Sainburys near New Cross gate is closed
- 9 August 2011 at 15:55
- Anonymous said...
Budgens in Crofton Park is open (but the shutters are down) and Brockley Rd Costcutter is also open.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:56
- Anonymous said...
In the last few hours I've seen seven Police armoured vehicles and many more vans and cars speeding up New Cross Road in both directions. Any information on where they're going? The shop I work at in Greenwich was told to close at lunchtime.
- 9 August 2011 at 15:57
- Anonymous said...
We are seeing examples of high profile policing...Very mobile with lots of noise and show. This is their way of keeping the looters on the backfoot and regaining the iniative...
- 9 August 2011 at 16:01
- qbf said...
Big queues in Costcutter, and a slightly eerie atmosphere outside, a few more people than usual milling around.
Glad that it seems the Crofton Park rumours were just that, and that Budgens is still OK.
Best picture so far of the response to the riots, for anyone who has missed it:
I'd like to think Brockley would do something similar if it happened here.
- 9 August 2011 at 16:07
- VV said...
Appreciating that most recent update is now displaying first, good suggestion, swiftly sorted. And like everyone else, thanks for the accurate reporting (and dashes of gentle humour).
- 9 August 2011 at 16:10
- molakoe said...
Shops closed and shutters down at Crofton Park (including the Co Op).
- 9 August 2011 at 16:13
- Anonymous said...
reports of police + fire services at Nunhead, not sure whats going on though
- 9 August 2011 at 16:13
- bronsoir said...
I love Brockley (even more now for not having electrical/shoe stores!) and I don't want anyone to trash it. Does anyone have any peaceful/lateral ideas to deter 'youfs' from smashing it up? The best I've come up with is to keep presence of locals on the streets (impromptu concert, anyone?!). The idea wouldn't be to challenge or try to stop them, just to show community and ask them nicely to leave our community alone, offer them a cuppa and witness if anything does happen. Anyone willing to join me? I have a ukelele but can't play it!
- 9 August 2011 at 16:15
- Anonymous said...
Helicopters now buzzing over Sydenham/Forest Hill
- 9 August 2011 at 16:16
- CJ316 said...
I run an office in Brockley road and have closed early in anticipation it is going to kick off...
- 9 August 2011 at 16:22
- Headhunter said...
Cup of bloody tea? It's not WW2/Blitz Spirit! Mow them down with rubber bullets!
- 9 August 2011 at 16:23
- Anonymous said...
What exactly are you contributing to the conversation, Headhunter? Shoot 'em down, yeah, that's the answer. Sickening. Hee haw! Are you sure you're not George W Bush in disguise?
- 9 August 2011 at 16:27
- Hugh said...
Anyone comes it with me yeah I put him down so he don't get up.
- 9 August 2011 at 16:28
- Anonymous said...
OK, who is posting as Headhunter and what have you done with him? These messages have NOT been sanctioned by the mung bean elite! Shouldn't you be commenting about locally sourced jam or something?
- 9 August 2011 at 16:32
- Anonymous said...
Surely Headhunter's expertise is more like 'the impact of the riots & looting on London's cycle lane policy' - ???
- 9 August 2011 at 16:34
- Tamsin said...
Lots of police vans going out on the Old Kent Road/New Cross Road about three-quarters of an hour ago.
- 9 August 2011 at 16:37
- Anonymous said...
Two guys on bikes chased by police horses on Lewisham high street. Other kids chased by police on foot. Police vans amassing.
- 9 August 2011 at 16:37
- Anonymous said...
Seems a relatively quiet day in Sydenham. Some shops have shut but not all of them, a few helicopters flying over but obviously going somewhere else. If it wasn't for reading this blog you'd have no clue there was looting or threats of looting going on.
- 9 August 2011 at 16:42
- Anonymous said...
Forest Hill Maplin's was done last night, NOT this afternoon.
- 9 August 2011 at 16:43
- mikey said...
alarmed by the number of people suggesting that we should take a leaf out of syria's crowd control manual. we don't want to be syria, do we? really?
- 9 August 2011 at 16:43
- Anonymous said...
Maplins in Forest Hill was done last night according to the SE23 Forum
- 9 August 2011 at 16:43
- Anonymous said...
- 9 August 2011 at 16:45
- SamB said...
I just walked home from New Cross station to the Lewisham Way end of Wickham Road. Along the stretch of Lewisham Way between here and Malpas Road, I'd say about half the shops were open.
Tesco Express is closed (and has the small side window boarded up, it was cracked - though not smashed - last night) as is the convenience store next door. Sultan's, further along, is open, but with the shutters down, and absolutely packed with people. Similarly, several of the other stores on that stretch were open.
Down the hill, the small Post Office was closed, and Uncle Ned's Beds looked like they were about to. The other furniture shops were open, as were Morley's and Gogi's supermarket.
- 9 August 2011 at 16:48
- Anonymous said...
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- 9 August 2011 at 16:52
- bronsoir said...
Budgen's at Crofton Park was still open 10min ago. Very busy (to be expected with everything else shut) but no sign of panic buying with plenty of everything still on the shelves.
- 9 August 2011 at 16:53
- Anonymous said...
'Amy said...
Thanks for the accruate feed guys!'
You taking the piss?
- 9 August 2011 at 16:53
- Duck said...
"Budgens open with no sign of panic buying"
Not what I saw when I was in there half an hour ago - it was MENTAL! The queue stretched around the entire shop. I have never seen it like that.
- 9 August 2011 at 16:56
- Brockley Nick said...
@Anon - could you be more specific and stop swearing please.
- 9 August 2011 at 16:58
- aero-static said...
Just come from Brick Lane where we've been forcible evacuated by landlords on police advice that it's a target. Everything was closed or boarding up.
On a lighter note, the Brockley Jack is open but not sure for how long.
- 9 August 2011 at 16:58
- Headhunter said...
It's me... I guess damn fools looting and destroying the city just brings out the medieval in me... I'll give an update on the impact on cycle lanes later...
- 9 August 2011 at 16:59
- bronsoir said...
Yeah sure, there was a huge queue - they are the only grocery shop open. Was there panic? No.
- 9 August 2011 at 16:59
- Anonymous said...
'The idea wouldn't be to challenge or try to stop them, just to show community and ask them nicely to leave our community alone, offer them a cuppa and witness if anything does happen.'
Thinking about a messy suicide then?
- 9 August 2011 at 17:00
- Anonymous said...
Interesting to learn on the streets of brockley that some of our young neighbours have participated to the riots. Bravado or stupidity does not matter.
- 9 August 2011 at 17:03
- Anonymous said...
Just come home from work (Cannon Street), trains are running fine but are getting very busy on the Greenwich line. Had a walk up Deptford High Street, nearly all shops shut, apart from the library, as according to Lewisham Council, 'it's not in a vulnerable position'. It is however closing early (5.30pm). There was also a couple of police walking their beat up and down the road.
- 9 August 2011 at 17:04
- Anonymous said...
There is a community firefighting defense team meeting at 6pm tonight, opposite Ladbrokes (outside A K Continental)in Deptford High Street, if anyone is interested.
- 9 August 2011 at 17:09
- Anonymous said...
Anonymous 17:03 : It would be interesting to learn why they took part.
- 9 August 2011 at 17:11
- Anonymous said...
Just walked along Brockley Road, very quiet, nearly all shops are closed except Morley's and the new fish & chip shop, by the way anyone tried the new fish shop yet?
- 9 August 2011 at 17:13
- Seb said...
Is there an update for the Brockley road area around Crofton Park?
- 9 August 2011 at 17:15
- Anonymous said...
So which food shops are open within walking distance of Ladywell?
- 9 August 2011 at 17:17
- Anonymous said...
The new chippie is great - service a bit slow as they make everything fresh but well worth the wait!
- 9 August 2011 at 17:18
- Anonymous said...
Somebody mentioned Plumstead fire station...Well, I've just walked along Lakedale rd and Plumstead high street, and it's all pretty much business as usual...
- 9 August 2011 at 17:19
- Brockley Nick said...
@Anon1713 - yes, there is a thread on it if you put Brockley's Rock in to the search box
@Seb - assume all fine unless you hear otherwise - lots of reports from there saying all well
@Anon1717 - Crofton Park (see above)
- 9 August 2011 at 17:22
- Hugh said...
There's a row going on down near Slough.
- 9 August 2011 at 17:22
- Seb said...
@ Brockley Nick
Thanks for that, just not sure whether to leave home to pick up some shopping or not.
- 9 August 2011 at 17:26
- Anonymous said...
@anon 17.15 - they do not like the million pounds victorian houses they were assigned to, or the weekly allowances are not sufficient to get to the end of the betting week drunk?
I really do not think it is relevant why.
- 9 August 2011 at 17:27
- Anonymous said...
Have you called the police Nick? (re kids chucking things around Brockley Cross?)
- 9 August 2011 at 17:32
- firstname.lastname@example.com said...
From the sirens it sounds like the police are there. Never thought I'd think hearing sirens was a good thing.
- 9 August 2011 at 17:35
- biff bifferson said...
right as of 5.30pm there is nowt going on in #lewisham town centre. loads of coppers but thats it. some nob tweeting his mrs said 50 got 'run' by riot coppers is miles off and ridiculous
- 9 August 2011 at 17:42
- bronsoir said...
@anon 17:00 - I did ask if anyone had a better idea! What will make it easy and attractive for yobs to cause damage is if the streets are deserted, hence I want to maintain a peaceful presence on the streets of Brockley. I would never try to stop someone intent on destruction. My take is that they are not highly motivated, just looking for easy thrills and free stuff and may be put off by a strong sense of community.
Re a cuppa vs rubber bullets (@headhunter 16.23): The way I see it, carrying a baseball bat is a sign of war, where offering an biscuit is a sign of peace and more likely to get a peaceful, favourable outcome. Anyhow, I'm going off to practice what I preach - strolling up and down Brockley Road. I'm wearing a blue and white stripey top. Come and say hi.
- 9 August 2011 at 17:50
- Anonymous said...
I heard 'Tickle Me' at Brockley Cross was smashed up! Is this true?
- 9 August 2011 at 17:54
- J. Wren Butler said...
Having just advised a tweeter that Upper Brockley Road is lovely and a great place to live, I am now considering retracting that statement. Seems like there was overspill from Brockley Cross shenanigans culminating in a vicious assault. Called it in but before ambulance and police arrived some of the victim's 'buddies' came back and threw him in a car.
London, you make me sad today.
- 9 August 2011 at 17:56
- biff bifferson said...
I agree with bronsoir, although there's a bit of me fancies smashing heads if they're at it again tonight
- 9 August 2011 at 17:56
- Ken said...
@bronsoir, that makes a sort of sense. Last night at least I think the police advice to "clear the streets" was exactly the wrong thing. That just leaves public spaces abandoned and vulnerable and most people at home isolated and scared. Better to stick together. And shopkeepers and the like who remained with their businesses and kept open for customers seem to have had a better chance of not being looted. (Well that was one of my excuses for staying in the Rising Sun all night... just doing my bit for peace and harmony)
- 9 August 2011 at 17:58
- oli said...
Agree with @Ken above, and off to the Royal Albert shortly. Neighbourhood solidarity.
- 9 August 2011 at 18:07
- Ken said...
And, part of the reason for thoise deserted streets is that there often were no police around when burglary and looting were going on. I saw someone trying to smash the windows of Mothercare in Loampit Vale and the sports shop next door about 8pm, there were police only about two hundred metres away by the High Street, but they were busy with other things. There were if anything fewer police round our way than on a normal night. But no-one tried anything on against the small shops only a few tens of metres up the road (thank God)
My guess is that the lack of police was because they went into crowd control mode - concentrating cops into large squads to defend territory and contain others in small spaces with supposedly "decent citizens" on the outside and bad guys inside. Now that might work against political demonstrations and football crowds where there is a large group in one place, and they are gathered to defend their territory or attack someone else's. But last night was mostly about small groups of looters, or even individuals, who didn't care about either territory or confronting the police. They were off to wherever the police weren't and pickings were easy. The very concentration of police in large armoured lines made life easier for looters who were doing their business outside their kettles whether a few hundred metres away in Lewisham or miles away in Enfield. The m,ilitary analogy woudl be heavy infantry trying to catch skirmishers. Doesn't work unles the skirmishers have a reson to stay oin the battlefield. That might be true of a Millwall crowd facing off a West Ham crowd, or of an anti-war demonstration in Trafalgar Aquare but it wasn't true about last nights looters. They didn't care where they were.
No expert in police tactics but I wonder if they would have been more successful avoiding the big lines and instead sending smaller mobile teams very quickly to any report of looting. OK, ten blokes in a couple of vehicles can't do anything about a real riot but most of the activity wasn't confrontational riot, it was smash and grab burglary. Rapid response might scare people off that. Some of them were just slighly pissed kids daring each other to have a go. If they thought there would be some police (or public) resistance they might just slope off and think better of it.
- 9 August 2011 at 18:17
- Anonymous said...
I'm in Los Angeles, and have a son at Goldsmiths, and he lives in Brockley. I'm very grateful to have found your blog so I can keep informed about conditions near him. Thanks for the updates both on the blog and from the comments.
- 9 August 2011 at 18:26
- Brockley Nick said...
You're welcome.
- 9 August 2011 at 18:29
- Anonymous said...
my daughter just walked up lee high road from lewisham to lee green - says its all quiet, shops are open, big police presence.
- 9 August 2011 at 18:49
- Transpontine said...
Some of the stuff that's getting reported might be serious but not necessarily have any connection to wave of riots - street robbery at Brockley Cross is sadly not unprecedented and fleets of police vehicles tearing up and down the road with sirens blaring is just standard - although seeing actual armoured cars last night was unusual (BBC reported it was the first time they'd been deployed in London).
There is an incredible appetite for information out there at the minute, the site stats at Transpontine when through the roof last night even though I had nothing about the riot - searchers for Woolwich riot would have got some interesting historical material about Victorian times but not much more! So good you're doing the live updates and sifting the facts from the rumours. I will leave off responding to various comments about the meaning of what's going on, that can wait for another, calmer day.
- 9 August 2011 at 18:55
- Anonymous said...
My opion would be to allow the Army to assist The Police and Fire Services, therefore freeing up Police to do jobs that are not riot related. I have a friend who was on there last night battered and bruised and again tonight, im sure he is chomping at the bit, however some may have suffered too much to go through it again straight away. Mean while other crime may get left, with major consquence.
- 9 August 2011 at 18:57
- Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if any of the takeaways are open in Ladywell? We have hardly any food in the house and dying for a chicken kebab!
- 9 August 2011 at 19:00
- Anonymous said...
Sydenham High Street feels like a ghost town. Some youths hanging around but can tell if it's normal or they are waiting to kick off.
The only shops open are those owned/run by foreigners. Seems funny how the foreigners are happy to stand their ground and defend their property but the English cower behind shutters.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:00
- Brockley Nick said...
@Transpontine - I agree that this can't really be described as a riot - it's quite likely that the current febrile climate was used as cover by the people involved. But the speed of police response was related. They were on the scene in about a minute of trouble breaking out and there have been helicopters over head for a lot of today.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:01
- Anonymous said...
Just got back from London to Brockley on my motorbike, did a little tour of Brockley and Crofton Park and it all seems very quiet. Budgens is open and doing a roaring trade. Nothing to report from Brockley Cross through to Budgens, no one loitering around.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:02
- Molewife said...
It makes me very happy that Budgens, who are always friendly, cheerful and generally great, are benefiting from this :-)
- 9 August 2011 at 19:04
- Transpontine said...
Can I also apologise for spelling error in earlier post, relaxing with too much wine for this early stage of the evening.
@anonymous - the army don't have a great track record in civil disorder, sending them in to quell riots in Northern Ireland escalated the situation and sparked a 25 year armed conflict. Do we really want to see young kids (albeit some of them doing stupid things) shot in the streets like on Bloody Sunday? And what would happen next, if for instance some rioters got killed? Things could spiral very quickly, the police and army aren't the only ones with access to guns.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:06
- Anonymous said...
quite a large (35+) group hanging around outside and inside supercuts drinking. The usual faces of course but quite a number of unfamiliar hoodies there too, just across the street behind the memorial gardens
- 9 August 2011 at 19:09
- Anonymous said...
@molewife - completely agree. Such a nice family and always helpful and happy.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:12
- Headhunter said...
Yep, cycled past a large group hanging about around the war memorial, I didn't stop and kept my eyes ahead but there were about 50ish I thought, scattered across the road from Supercuts and round the corner on the side road bit of Lewisham Way...
- 9 August 2011 at 19:15
- Anonymous said...
when I reffred to The Army, I agree in regards to Guns, but give the Army battons and Shields, let them help put ouf fires. Most of our troops, I belive ar trained in Peace Keeping, we certainly moved on very quickly and learnt from the past. Extra bodys, who tak no crap.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:15
- Anonymous said...
youll also notice I said ASSIST not replace! :-)
- 9 August 2011 at 19:16
- Sally said...
Can I just say thank you for your updates. As a new business in Brockley Cross Ive been following you for two days to keep an eye on what is going on.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:17
- Headhunter said...
Transpontine - The army in N Ireland was entirely different though, essentially the situation there (although the UK government denied it) was war. We had 2 factions with entirely opposing and strongly held views (views with roots going back hundreds of years) doing battle. This is just bunches if youths looting for trainers and TVs with no ideology or beliefs... Of course deaths would be very regrettable, if needs must though, send the army in...
- 9 August 2011 at 19:19
- Anonymous said...
when I reffred to The Army, I agree in regards to Guns, but give the Army battons and Shields, let them help put ouf fires. Most of our troops, I belive ar trained in Peace Keeping, we certainly moved on very quickly and learnt from the past. Extra bodys, who tak no crap.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:21
- Anonymous said...
Anyone seen some of the proposed leaflets being distributed telling people not to grass on looters? Who the hell is writing these leaflets and handing them out? And why aren't police arresting them for doing so?
- 9 August 2011 at 19:23
- Anonymous said...
@HH yes, not the same situation but there were many instances of civil disobedience where the Army were acting as riot police with disastrous consequences that ultimately made the NI a more dangerous place. bloody Sunday?
May need the Army to provide extra bodies but if so under the command of the police. The army are not trained to use appropriate, proportionate force. Use with caution.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:24
- Helen said...
Because handing out leaflets trying to persuade people not to grass is not a criminal offence
- 9 August 2011 at 19:26
- Pete said...
@Transpontine, those armoured police trucks were used to clear the climate camp that occupied a road in the city during G20.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:28
- chris said...
this feed is great, very informative and its got a lovely light mood to it which is something we all need at this time. well done everyone. :)
- 9 August 2011 at 19:39
- bronsoir said...
Lap 1, Brockley Cross to Budgens and back. People still on the street, though it looks like less than normal. A choice of indian takeaways, plus Brockley's Rock, Fishy Business,, Bamboo Garden and a couple of others still open when I went past and Budgens has run out of semi-skimmed milk.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:41
- kolp said...
Good old Costcutters open, packed with shoppers, getting shopping extras. Stay calm, we'll be alright, Brockley has faced the luftwaffe, we can handle rampaging kids.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:43
- Transpontine said...
Had very nice supper courtesy of Broca supermarket, feeling a bit guilty that last time I did a big shop there was when the snow made it impossible to get to S****burys. Must try and spend some more money there in times other than national emergencies!
- 9 August 2011 at 19:56
- NR said...
@bronsoir It is now the time to cast off the shackles of semi-skimmed milk.
btw very much enjyed buying a battered sausage and chips in Brockley's Rock whilst the music system in there was blaring out 'Firestarter'.
- 9 August 2011 at 19:56
- LT said...
Thanks for the updates guys.
- 9 August 2011 at 20:06
- Anonymous said...
I just came back from Denmark hill / Camberwell. Four squid vans with "blue's 'n two's" on. then a pression of ten, yes TEN riot vans in a row. Some from as far away as dorset. I've never seen so many police. The local Co-OP was the only shop still open (but with shutters down over the windows) but had empty shelves. Nothing what so ever in the fresh, frozen and fruit & veg sections. As for Brockley, the local cafe's / news agents seem to be doing a roaring trade. Brockley Rock seems to be open, (and busy, which is good to see) and the bamboo garden are busy, and giving free fortunes cookies away with every meal.
The general mood between people seems friendly. No problems with race or religion. Good community spirit. It's sad to say, but the pressure has been building for a long time now, and as bad as this is, it's releasing this pressure. We should, and I hope, will, have a stronger and closer community in the aftermath. And I a extremely pleased to be living in Brockley right now.
- 9 August 2011 at 20:13
- Simone said...
Paddy wagon outside the entrance to Telegraph Hill Upper Park.
- 9 August 2011 at 20:17
- gibby said...
Am I the only one who had food indoors already?
- 9 August 2011 at 20:18
- Aricana said...
Really sad that the new co-op on the west side was so badly damaged. There was a long queue in NISA on Mantle Road this evening and 2 people serving. The shoppers seemed desperate to get home and the shop owners desperate to close!
- 9 August 2011 at 20:24
- keeping calm and carrying on said...
No, I have food too - fridge still reasonably full from the last grocery delivery.
I like Bronsoir's idea of keeping a peaceful presence on the streets, and I have a selection of musical instruments that I CAN play. I like the theory very much; just not sure how I would feel if I ended up with three hundred rampaging youths bearing down on me laden with bits of debris.
- 9 August 2011 at 20:29
- THNick said...
burnt out car on Telegraph Hill/Nunhead border. Oddly, no longer smoking so not recent but dont remember it this morning. Presumably a lunchtime mini-riot?
- 9 August 2011 at 20:39
- Food in the Fridge said...
Just to give a plug to the lovely Tesco man who received a recall to the depot, but decided to finish his delivery round before going back... what a nice guy
- 9 August 2011 at 20:41
- kolp said...
"relativist, platitudinous rubbish about the riots on their Twitter feed"
link please?
- 9 August 2011 at 20:42
- Marc said...
Helicopter circling Hilly Fields for the last 5 mins. Feels a lot more under control then yesterday, maybe the trouble makers have a day off whilst they ping pong with Manchester.
- 9 August 2011 at 20:45
- Marc said...
Helicopter circling Hilly Fields for the last 5 mins. Feels a lot more under control then yesterday, maybe the trouble makers have a day off whilst they ping pong with Manchester.
- 9 August 2011 at 20:45
- kolp said...
"Helicopter circling Hilly Fields for the last 5 mins."
I think they are after the BDS crew.
- 9 August 2011 at 20:47
- pip said...
Do you have a theory as to why they chose Eltham? I don't know Eltham, and only a bit about Milwall. Can you elucidate?
- 9 August 2011 at 20:47
- Raven said...
Yes, Eltham is trending on Twitter and now has the acolade of UK's top fascist (Griffin via Twitter) praising the 'English lads of Eltham' for 'resistance' ie. drinking in a pub for hours. They should be in good condition for when the looters arrive...
- 9 August 2011 at 20:57
- bronsoir said...
Lap 2: Brockley Cross to Budgens and back. Still quiet, Mr Lawrence just shutting up the bottle-o side, Budgens still open and well stocked, Shapla, EXP and Jerk Garden all open. The little green quickymart/internet cafe opposite Crofton Park station was decanting their stock into a van to take elsewhere for safekeeping. Stopping for a quick bite now but will do another lap after dinner. Everyone on the street has been friendly and willing to chat. Or maybe they always are but I haven't taken the time...
- 9 August 2011 at 21:00
- Anonymous said...
yes, groups of beered up footy 'fans' are well known for the calm they bring to a situation.
Hopefully they'll get lost, bored or confused.
- 9 August 2011 at 21:08
- Anonymous said...
there are about 40 youths gathered around the War Memorial along junction of Upper Brockley Road and Lewisham Way.
- 9 August 2011 at 21:10
- Anonymous said...
Great updates everyone, keep it coming :-)
This is one of the things which makes Brockley stand out for me - its very well-connected community.
Other than the occasional sound of distant sirens, all quiet in my neck of the woods and nothing to report.
- 9 August 2011 at 21:15
- Hugh said...
What exactly are this thread and all the other running commentaries for?
- 9 August 2011 at 21:16
- Anonymous said...
Blimey this sums it up much better than images of burning buildings:
- 9 August 2011 at 21:20
- Raven said...
Well, there has also been talk of EDL being amongst Eltham's 'defenders'(not confirmed reliably). Now there's talk of more sinister things leading to this tweet just now from Cllr_Mike Harris:
"National Front: you weren't welcome in Lewisham in 77 and you're not welcome now". Not sure what is going on out there.
Would be more comfortable if the 'defenders' were a more diverse bunch - but I guess it's difficult to subject them to the Guardian reader test...
- 9 August 2011 at 21:24
- hamble said...
REports on twitter saying a large group of white men are walking to Lewisham from Eltham
Picture: http://yfrog.com/z/kigfslqj
- 9 August 2011 at 21:26
- Monkeyboy said...
Can I suggest that a selection of pork snacks are left in the path of the brave footy supporters? A trail of scotch eggs leading toward Deptford creek ought to do it.
- 9 August 2011 at 21:30
- Eric Blair said...
If it's any consolation the Manchester and Salford mob are whiter. Kind of screws with griffins theories (can just see him sitting there in his pants watching Sky News)
- 9 August 2011 at 21:33
- Anonymous said...
20 odd police just passed through brockley war memorial - seemed to leave as quickly as they arrived though...
- 9 August 2011 at 21:33
- Nim said...
Thanks for keeping this blog updated - I'm at the halfway point between Eltham and Lewisham on the Lee High Road so waiting to see if there's any updates on the Millwall / march post eerlier. A lot of sirens going back and forward.
- 9 August 2011 at 21:33
- Anonymous said...
mob at the War Memorial are on the move..not sure where they went
- 9 August 2011 at 21:35
- Anonymous said...
- 9 August 2011 at 21:39
- biff bifferson said...
nothing happening in lewisham town centre. went from top to bottom of high street, left at snooker hall then back round to lee high road. so nowt, despite the 'edl' or football 'lads' coming to take the kids back to school. it's 2 for 1 on coppers though. wetherspoons is still open. gets you right ere!
- 9 August 2011 at 21:39
- Anonymous said...
just had a drink outside the wickham arms and saw three police vans heading up upper brockley road.
- 9 August 2011 at 21:40
- Anonymous said...
"Here are 'Team Eltham' on the march towards Lewisham"
I dunno what time zone eltham is in, but that its been dark here in SE13 for quite a while.
either they're very slow, or that pic took an awful long time to make it onto the net, or they aren't really 'marching' anywhere.
- 9 August 2011 at 21:42
- Anonymous said...
don't know why the perceived, and almost certainly actual, racism of a bunch of white twats is more newsworthy than the equally certain racism of lots of the looters.
- 9 August 2011 at 21:45
- Brockley Dogging Society - Emergency Preparedness Commitee said...
The Francis Drake Bowls club has created a cordon around our usual spot. They are a magnificent site standing there (some are sitting to be fair) in their crisp white garb. The members in their mobility scooters have organised themselves into a rapid reaction squad, shouldn't laugh but when the race across the park, lights off, in silence and skittle over some yobs is immensely satisfying.
We have clashed with them in the past, some of our younger members have abused their billiard smooth lawn before, but when time are tough we know we can rely on our neighbours.
Colin iand big Jen are currently performing a symbolic missionary position session, safe in the knowledge that our nylon hipped friends are watching their backs.
Tomorrow Colin, in all his tumescent glory, will be guarding the entrance to the Drake club while they bowl. All welcome, show your support.
- 9 August 2011 at 21:49
- Anonymous said...
Just walked down to the war memorial on Lewisham Way and there's no sign of any kind of mob or gathering.
- 9 August 2011 at 21:54
- Anonymous said...
Mob's gone..all 40 of them. They disappeared about 20mins ago
- 9 August 2011 at 21:56
- Ken said...
Negative data point from Lewisham Station & Loampit Vale - all quite normal at 21:30 and next few minutes. Lots of police vans moving in both directions but that IS normal here. I think I can hear sirens from Brookmill Road.
- 9 August 2011 at 21:59
- Anonymous said...
apparently a 40 strong mob are on their way down to Lewisham via Loampit, any confirmation?
- 9 August 2011 at 22:01
- Anonymous said...
Well done for that inflammatory and probably incorrect tweet about the "march", which is now all over Twitter. Please check information before tweeting or blogging it.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:04
- Anonymous said...
loving catchalooter, shame I don;t recognise any of these scumbags. particularly like the fat bint stealing crisps. let's hope she dies early from heart disease.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:05
- Anonymous said...
Has no-one else seen the two fire engines and police car down on Lewisham way (near the memorial: the road just off, where the building work is)?
- 9 August 2011 at 22:05
- Transpontine said...
Slightly one-sided to day that Deptford Social Centre Plus 'prevented the Deptford Project owners from opening a new social enterprise in Deptford by squatting in their premises'. It is true that Deptford Project were planning a temporary art related project in the old job centre (though the building was not their's, it belongs to a developer), and this did not come to fruition as a result of the squat.
However, they were only there for a short time and the building is now being used by another art project, Utrophia, so no loss there. The social centre then moved next door to an empty building and got hundreds of people through the door in what would otherwise have been a derelict space - it is in fact now being demolished.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:07
- Nim said...
Can't see anything but we've got the choppers overhead here at Lee Green, have been for about 20 minutes now. Traffic still on Lee High Road though so not shut. News has said Eltham high street now shut.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:08
- Anonymous said...
Ladywell : My neighbour told me that both Rumbles the bakers (Algernon Rd) and Corals (Algernon Rd) got broken into last night and the Rumbles had their till stolen. Not sure if this is fact or rumour though. Several businesses, such as the barbers, have boarded up their windows as a precaution. Ladywell Tandoori, Tavern, chippy and kebab shop all open for business, as was Geddes, but everywhere else closed.
When I cycled to work this morning along Brookmill Rd, the cycle path was strewn with baby clothes hangers, presumably from stuff looted from Mothercare.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:17
- NAT said...
Talbot Quiz has gone ahead after questions asked.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:29
- hamble said...
LBC have apparently broadcast the news/ rumours about the marchers.
"j0annepsi - I'm actually *listening* to @lbc973 and they just mentioned it in the 10pm news bulletin. They could be wrong, of course."
Also- police are up by the Yorkshire Grey pub/McDs in numbers.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:34
- Anonymous said...
Choppers now overhead in Sydenham, not sure what it is related to, been hovering for a while now.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:40
- Raven said...
Photos are being posted of trouble in Eltham eg:
There's trouble on Eltham High Street and at the Yorkshire Grey/McD roundabout
but I've got no reliable info about whether anyone other the 'defenders of Eltham' are involved.
The 'marching to Lewisham' suggestions seem to have gone away.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:46
- Brockley Nick said...
@Transpontine - no completely accurate summation, as your post seems to concede:
"It is true that Deptford Project were planning a temporary art related project in the old job centre (though the building was not their's, it belongs to a developer), and this did not come to fruition as a result of the squat."
Exactly. They had an agreement with the developer which fell through as a result of the squatters' actions.
"However, they were only there for a short time"
Yes, it was a stupid, self-indulgent piece of nonsense that was obviously not going to last long.
"and the building is now being used by another art project, Utrophia, so no loss there."
Unless you're the person who lost the opportunity to set up a completely legitimate enterprise and was treated to extraordinary abuse, I guess?
"The social centre then moved next door to an empty building and got hundreds of people through the door in what would otherwise have been a derelict space"
Which is what reasonable people suggested they should do in the first place.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:46
- Brockley Nick said...
@Anon2204 - it was all over Twitter already, hence the confusion. I corrected and apologised very quickly.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:48
- Anonymous said...
LBC are using the same flawed Twitter rumours as everyone else, unfortunately.
Sadly there are a number of sad-sack EDL types who have been trying their best to turn this into a race thing one way or another. Be careful what information you spread as not all is accurate and some deliberately inflammatory.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:50
- kolp said...
Give Nick a bit of break on the reports, it's easily done, I got confused over that leap from building picture yesterday thought it was real, then fake, then next I see it's all over the mainstream news.
- 9 August 2011 at 22:55
- laukf said...
Just drove back from Lewisham hospital via Ladywell - all seems quiet.
- 9 August 2011 at 23:01
- hamble said...
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- 9 August 2011 at 23:26
- oryx said...
Just come back from a night out in Richmond and crossed a large tract of S London via the South Circular. Saw absolutely nothing, nada, zich, not a sausage. We went through Clapham Junction which was dead - didn't even see any police.
Streets are very quiet, though, as if it was Christmas or New Year's Day. Let's hope it stays this way.
- 9 August 2011 at 23:30
- John said...
Everyone should give Nick a break? You're quite right. Nick, you keep posting things that you aren't sure are true!
- 9 August 2011 at 23:32
- Anonymous said...
All seems quiet around Brockley Cross at the moment. Been told that there is a mass of people in central Lewisham however. I don't know if it's true and have not heard anything else about this on the news.
- 9 August 2011 at 23:36
- hamble said...
Nick- looks like Eltham DID kick off.
The scores of adult men running through the street are probably the source of the marching rumours.
- 9 August 2011 at 23:39
- bronsoir said...
Lap 2.5 (got waylaid at the Orchard): Brockley Road from Adelaide Ave to Brockley Cross and back. Quiet, shops now shut, atmosphere feels calm compared to last night. Hopefully it stays that way.
- 9 August 2011 at 23:56
- bronsoir said...
Oh yes, could smell smoke and burning rubber at around 23.45which seemed to come from north of the railway tracks.
- 9 August 2011 at 23:59
- Titchmiester said...
Nick - as a Brockley resident away on holiday I just want to say Brockley Central has been an amazing source of info today. Many, many thanks.
- 10 August 2011 at 00:07
- bumbags said...
On Upper Brockley Rd nr the Cross today a man was beaten up, head stamped on, trousers pulled down, trainers stolen, photographed (wtf?!) and left semi-conscious and vomiting. The car in the photo from Simon (blue ford maybe?) looks like the one that picked the victim up- the one that did had a smashed hatchback window- police have reg.
Horrific to see such ridiculous violence here.
btw- @ J.Wren Butler- you were brilliantly cool-headed.
Really hope the little &£^$ers have been caught and nobody seriously hurt.
- 10 August 2011 at 00:50
- Brockley Michael said...
Thanks Nick for sterling updates tonight and during the riots generally. Much appreciated.
- 10 August 2011 at 01:03
- Danja said...
Eerie total absence of sirens for hours. It is never this silent for more than 5/10 minutes near the A2/A202. It must be a policy.
It would be good if they realised it made things calmer and more peaceful generally rather than just now. Then again, maybe there's just no traffic on the roads and all the crims are tucked up in bed avoiding the 16k copper day.
- 10 August 2011 at 01:04
- Anonymous said...
Yes, the EDL did make it into Eltham ( [hindering police efforts] according to the BBC ) and they were amongst the Millwall supporters who seemed to have good intentions.
and see this video, where the group are clearly chanting EDL for any doubters:
and heres the one to show numbers:
- 10 August 2011 at 01:05
- Danja said...
EDL built much of their hard line supporter base from trad hooligans esp the racist ones, so the lines are not clear. It isn't hard to find clues to the links, though.
- 10 August 2011 at 01:11
- judge rudy said...
by far the best and most accurate updates anywhere, far better than the (supposed) people with their ear to the ground on facebook (and yes i mean you steve) well done and a top job all round
judge rudy (aka alecks) brockley punk rocker
- 10 August 2011 at 02:10
- NAT said...
@Nick and Transpontine, Isn't the old Job centre now largely demolished. Utrophia are next door.
- 10 August 2011 at 07:06
- Transpontine said...
@NAT - yes that's right, I think that's what I said above.
@BrockleyNick - you clearly don't agree with the political stance of the Deptford social centre which is of course fair enough, but to describe it as 'self-indulgent' is a bit wide of the mark when the alternative use being proposed by Deptford Project was yet another art project which could equally be filed under self-indulgent.
- 10 August 2011 at 08:26
- Anonymous said...
I think there's a lot of self-indulgent rubbish coming out at the moment - there's no end of people wanting to claim the 'moral high ground'.
Personally I think the 'riots' have brought out the worst from this blog and it's narrow, tainted middle-class values.
That someone would wish to call the occupation of the job centre a 'stupid, self-indulgent piece of nonsense' speaks more for the person sitting on his backside than the people who were moved to take direct action to support a belief they have.
- 10 August 2011 at 08:40
- Brockley Nick said...
That is a false equivalence and I don't believe you really believe what you are saying.
My views on their politics are irrelevant. I don't agree with the PBP either, but I applaud what they are trying to do with their own cafe, which has many of the same goals as the Job Centre Plus.
But there is no comparison between someone who had a well-thought-through business plan and a good local track record who has gone through all the proper legal processes and agreed terms with the landlord and a group that has a half-baked idea, takes it upon themselves to move in and then gets bored and gives up once the damage has already been done.
You also ignored the point about their shocking behaviour towards the prospective tennant.
@Anon - what are middle class values?
- 10 August 2011 at 08:49
- Welcome to 2011 said...
Middle class values =
- Rule of law
- Democratic process
- Wanting to be able to pop to the shops without them being boarded up
- Not wanting to get your head kicked in outside your house
- Not wanting the little shop you've been running to make ends meet for 20 years since you arrived as an immigrant with a dream of improving your life burned down by people who mutter something about it all being the fault of "the Conservatives or whoever"
These are all things that only middle class people care about and this blog, by attempting to tell people what's going on and whether they can get home safely is shamelessly pandering to these disgusting people.
:Rolls eyes:
- 10 August 2011 at 08:56
- Westsider said...
"Yet another art project"
Transpontine, I'm very disappointed to hear you talk like this as I normally respect your opinions.
Don't you agree that Deptford needs to create jobs? Don't you agree that Deptford needs to cultivate its reputation as a creative hub in order to improve its fortunes? Don't you agree that people of all backgrounds can benefit and enjoy art? You were very welcoming of Utrophia weren't you? Isn't that just another art project? And before you say that Utrophia moved in instead, don't you think it would have been good if we could have had both? Do you think Job Centre Plus was a success?
- 10 August 2011 at 09:01
- Westsider said...
Why did you put 'riots' in inverted commas?
- 10 August 2011 at 09:03
- Anonymous said...
I also want to say thank you for this blog and comments so could be updated what was going on around ;)
- 10 August 2011 at 09:23
- Anonymous said...
Did the below event really happen. If it did I'm surprised it didn't feature in updates, ( or maybe it was just too banally real in its everydayness for BC to take note of?)
"On Upper Brockley Rd nr the Cross today a man was beaten up, head stamped on, trousers pulled down, trainers stolen, photographed (wtf?!) and left semi-conscious and vomiting. The car in the photo from Simon (blue ford maybe?) looks like the one that picked the victim up- the one that did had a smashed hatchback window- police have reg.
Horrific to see such ridiculous violence here.
btw- @ J.Wren Butler- you were brilliantly cool-headed.
Really hope the little &£^$ers have been caught and nobody seriously hurt."
- 10 August 2011 at 09:54
- Anonymous said...
Apologies I now see it appeared on your update as 'mucking around'. What jolly jipes!!
"On Upper Brockley Rd nr the Cross today a man was beaten up, head stamped on, trousers pulled down, trainers stolen, photographed (wtf?!) and left semi-conscious and vomiting. The car in the photo from Simon (blue ford maybe?) looks like the one that picked the victim up- the one that did had a smashed hatchback window- police have reg.
Horrific to see such ridiculous violence here."
- 10 August 2011 at 09:57
- Brockley Nick said...
No it appeared as "[Police] Confirmed one man beaten up and it appears they have caught someone for it."
I had no more facts at that time and can't confirm the details posted on this thread, though if true, they are of course hideous.
- 10 August 2011 at 10:02
- bronsoir said...
When I passed this morning I saw that the side window of the Coral opp Adelaide Ave was hit 3 - 4 times. It has spiderwebbed but not shattered or broken through.
- 10 August 2011 at 10:04
- Anonymous said...
Has that mad professor from Brockley raised his head above the parapite and spouted any wisdom on what's been going on in recent days?
Have certain tutors from Goldsmiths communictaed their thoughts yet?
- 10 August 2011 at 12:03
- Anonymous said...
Interesting snippet on the front page of this weeks Mercury.
The day after Mark Duggan was shot, reportedly in a mini cab, and before the riots by coincedence an incident took place in Forest Hill.
Two men suffered gunshot wounds after being attacked in the early hours of the morning.
Cops believe the gunmen travelled to the area in a minicab, then got out and the two victims, both aged 20.
Officers from Trident are investigating the crime.
That sort of thing is going on almost daily yet no street protests from members of the community, no riots.
- 10 August 2011 at 12:21
- Anonymous said...
Following the conviction of...
Dale Green, 17, Sportbank Street, Catford
Lamarr Gordon, 17, Gareth Grove, Bromley
Joseph Appiah, 16 Wicks Close, Eltham
Demar Brown, 16 Springbank Road, Lewisham
Claude Gaha, 17, Duddington Close, Bromley
Edward Conteh, 17, Kings Grove, Peckham
Terell Clement, 18 Warwickshire Path, Deptford
Sheldon Gordon, 23, Forest Hill
...for being involved in a killing the police have released a photo of two of the murderers shaking hands on a bus...'as a job well done'.
On 'You Tube' can be found videos biggin up these individuals.
- 10 August 2011 at 12:27
- Anonymous said...
None in Brockley....that will probably mean something to someone. "some people commit a bad crime, they live somewhere"
The constant shoddy analysis of crime and voyeristic obsession dressed up as outrage is a little sad....and weird.
- 10 August 2011 at 12:34
- MattyinSE9 said...
Rumours about EDL involvement in Eltham are so far unsubstantiated although I'm sure there were a few of them there.
Yes, I heard the EDL chants but not sure how representative that was, people there were adamant that it was not a racist situation.
Matthew Taylor a Guardian journalist who went down there tweeted "No indication of edl or other far right involvement in eltham at moment". Later on another Guardian journalist there tweeted "This was mainly locals, not edl etc from outside, out to defend what many called 'white working class neighbourhood'"
Check out #eltham on twitter.
"There was no bnp in #eltham tonite, no racist attacks, no marches, local people protecting their community.please stop the false lies"
"Right bed time. Its a shame what was a good bit of unity to protect our town has been twisted by lies into a supposed racist march! "
"It wasnt just millwall fans protecting #Eltham it was the whole community!!! get it right!!! and it wasnt nothing 2 do with racism!!!"
"#Eltham residents are defending there area an not #EDL.. WELL DONE, the lefties tho think u look like them :/ which is skinhead drunk thugs"
And from BBC Radio 5 "markadoi84 We're saying the opposite - no sign of EDL in #Eltham"
- 10 August 2011 at 12:42


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Persian Cubiculum
Artist/maker unknown, Iranian or Persian
Made in Outside Isfahan, Iran, Asia
First half of 17th centuryMedium:
Stucco, paint, wood carvingDimensions:
Approximately: 12 × 10 feet (365.8 × 304.8 cm)Curatorial Department:
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This cubiculum (small room) was originally part of a larger residential complex (manzil) built in the early seventeenth century near Isfahan, Iran, then the capital of the Safavid Empire. Since it was acquired by the Museum in 1930, the cubiculum has been associated with the patronage of the Safavid ruler Shah 'Abbas I (reigned 1587–1629), but recent research suggests it might equally have come from one of the scores of houses in and around Isfahan built by members of Shah 'Abbas's court. Many of these mansions are no longer standing, a result of the Afghan invasion of Isfahan in 1722 and centuries of neglect. Some were even destroyed by royal command so that the raw materials could be used for new architectural projects. The Museum's cubiculum is significant not only for what it tells us about this important group of buildings but also because it is the only known example of seventeenth-century Safavid domestic architecture outside Iran.
The elaborate stucco projections covering the cubiculum's ceiling and the vault of its antechamber are known as muqarnas. This honeycomb-like structure actually hangs from and hides an underlying, supporting framework. Geometric, floral, and animal forms embellish the smooth surface of the muqarnas. In the antechamber, the intricate designs, which include scrolling arabesques and images of lions and birds, were carved in a thin layer of moist stucco. Plaster-carving, known in Persian as gachbori, was combined with painted decoration in the cubiculum, producing a kaleidoscope of colors and patterns. The niches below the ceiling were used to display ceramic and glass bottles. Archival records indicate that the original walls of the cubiculum were also once adorned with Persian inscriptions, probably poetic in content.


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Searchers on foot and horseback combed 455 acres of the El Sereno hills while others flew overhead in a helicopter and dog handlers deployed bloodhounds.
The apparent victim, described as 13 or older -- and possibly a small woman -- was reported kidnapped Monday night near a recreation center during an argument with a young man who may be 16 to 18, police said.
"That argument escalated to the point where the male struck the female at least once in the face and then began to drag her up into the brush area by the hair," police Lt. Andy Neiman said.
Witnesses followed and saw the man begin to remove some of the girl's clothing, he said.
Police Chief Charlie Beck said the only evidence officers had found in the search, which was 90 percent complete Tuesday afternoon, were some leggings and tennis shoes.
"My hope is that this was a dispute that was resolved in some way, but we have to treat everything like it's the real deal," Beck said at a news conference.
No reports of a missing girl had been filed, but the witnesses seemed credible, police said.


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Go figure. In a time when it's always somebody else's fault. Personal responsibility lives. It's cause for either convulsive weeps of joyful tears or one of Fred G. Sanford's mock heart attacks, where he tells Elizabeth he's coming to join her.
The NCAA earlier this week approved a proposal that will require coaches to take more responsibility for following the rules and punish violators more swiftly. It adopted a four-tiered violation structure ranging from severe to incidental, with potential punishments of million-dollar fines and extended postseason bans.
The best part: No more fall guys. It's all on the head coach. His or her program, his or her responsibility. A more cynical fellow might ask what took so long. But the past is prologue. The NCAA calls its new standard "presumed responsibility."
Makes you wonder about the state of UConn men's basketball had the NCAA enacted this legislation a little sooner. What would have become of the program had the NCAA digested UConn's academic shortcomings so soon after the Nate Miles disaster? It might have even (gulp) tarnished Jim Calhoun's legacy.
Not here in Connecticut, of course. It's hard to find somebody here � anybody � willing to lay blame at the erstwhile head coach's door for last week's news of the 11 percent graduate rate. That's right. Eleven percent of the players who entered the program from 2002-2005 graduated. Eleven percent.
Let's take time to digest that again: 11 percent.
An up-to-date list of excuses:
• Why dig up such old news when the current academic progress is so encouraging?
• The numbers are skewed because all of his players went to the NBA.
• The numbers are skewed because the NCAA's application of the GSR and APR is flawed.
• The numbers are skewed because Jay Bilas said so.
• The NCAA had it in for him from the beginning.
• It's a media vendetta.
• Who cares if they ever went to class? Calhoun prepared them for life.
• They'll really miss that degree when they're trying to decide which Bentley to buy.
(If I missed any excuses, you can always text, tweet, Facebook, e-mail or call. Or if you're still victimized by Connecticut Light & Power, open the window and shout).
My feeling has never wavered: If you're going to rain hosannas on Calhoun for four Final Fours, three national championships and an NBA pipeline, you need to rain hailstones on him for the aforementioned boo-boos, including the recent 11 percent graduation rate.
Seems fair, no?
Now I get how there's always a segment of dullards out there unwilling to accept new evidence and changing circumstances. But the NCAA's new legislation all but demands that coaching legacies from this moment forward are all-encompassing. It's the glory ... and the gory.
You want to recruit a lad or lass of questionable character? It is your responsibility that said lad or lass behaves to societal norms. You want to practice benign neglect of academics? You bear the consequences. Not some assistant coach. Or compliance officer. There are no more campus entities that can act as your own Kevlar.
I love it.
"We have sought all along to remove the 'risk-reward' analysis that has tempted people � often because of the financial pressures to win at all costs � to break the rules in the hopes that either they won't be caught or that the consequences won't be very harsh if they do get caught," NCAA President Mark Emmert said in a statement on ncaa.org earlier this week.
It's been risk-reward for too long. Certainly, the rewards at UConn have been almost hilariously greater than the consequences. The consequences, really, are nothing more than one imperiled basketball season. And there are enough pom pom wavers out there who think it's all NCAA-sized vengeance anyway.
I'm a happier guy right now knowing that the process of investigating violations is stronger, clearer and more of a priority. It means that the cheaters are on notice.
This is the opinion of Day sports columnist Mike DiMauro.
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JURAIN, Bangladesh (AP) — Dozens of Bangladeshi garment workers whose bodies were too battered or decomposed to be identified were buried in a mass funeral, a week after the eight-story building they worked in collapsed, killing more than 400 people and injuring thousands.
Hundreds attended the traditional Muslim funeral and many more watched from the roofs of nearby buildings Wednesday as the bodies, rotting in the spring heat, were brought to the graveyard on the back of flatbed trucks.
Onlookers covered their noses. One woman rushed through the crowd to the back of a truck wailing that one body was her sister's. She begged to take it as family members held her to keep her from collapsing.
Local men and boys recited a prayer for the dead. Then, 34 bodies were unloaded and placed in the graves.
Cemetery workers have dug several long rows of graves where scores more unidentified bodies are expected to be buried in the coming days.
Police said Thursday morning that 10 more bodies were recovered overnight, bringing the death toll to 420. Rescue workers believe many more bodies are still buried on the ground level of the building. They said it could take another five days to clear tons of rubble with cranes and cutting machines.
"I would not have to take part in this if the government acted more responsibly," said Rasel Islam, a 32-year-old man who attended the burial.
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"This was the payment of these people who have died ... and this is called 'slave labor,'" he said. Vatican Radio said the pope made the remarks during a private Mass at the Vatican.
"Not paying a just (wage), not providing work, focusing exclusively on the balance books, on financial statements, only looking at making personal profit. That goes against God!" Francis was quoted as saying.
He added: "People are less important than the things that give profit to those who have political, social, economic power. What point have we come to? To the point that we are not aware of this dignity of the person; this dignity of labor."
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In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell said businesses operating in the Rana Plaza appeared to have links to numerous companies in the U.S. and Europe. "We'll continue to engage with U.S. companies to discuss what role they can play in improving conditions," he told reporters. He did not give details on the companies.
Pressure built inside Bangladesh as well, as a raucous May Day procession of workers on foot, pickup trucks and motorcycles wound its way through central Dhaka demanding safe working conditions and capital punishment for the building's owner. They waved the national flag and banners, beat drums and chanted "Direct action!" and "Death penalty!"
From a loudspeaker on the back of a truck, a participant spoke for the group: "My brother has died. My sister has died. Their blood will not be valueless."
Some confusion remains over how many people are missing.
Zillur Rahman Chowdhury, a Dhaka district administrator, said so far 149 people have been listed missing. A police official, Aminur Rahman, said police have recorded up to 1,300 names as missing, but he cautioned that many may be duplicates. "We will now have to screen the names by computer to find the actual number," he said.
The owner of the building, Mohammed Sohel Rana, is under arrest and expected to be charged with negligence, illegal construction and forcing workers to join work, which is punishable by a maximum of seven years in jail. Authorities have not said if more serious crimes will be added.
Protesters demanded capital punishment for Rana, 38, a small-time political operative with the ruling Awami League party.
"I want the death penalty for the owner of the building. We want regular salaries, raises and absolutely we want better safety in our factories," said Mongidul Islam Rana, 18, who works in a different garment factory.
The Bangladesh High Court has ordered the government to confiscate Rana's property and freeze the assets of the owners of the factories in Rana Plaza so the money can be used to pay the salaries of their workers.
Rana had permission to build five stories but added three more illegally. When huge cracks appeared in the building a day before its collapse, police ordered an evacuation, but Rana told tenants it was safe. The next day, a bank and some shops refused to open but factory managers told their workers to go back in. Hours later the building came down in a heap of concrete.
Among the garment makers in the building were Phantom Apparels, Phantom Tac, Ether Tex, New Wave Style and New Wave Bottoms. Altogether, they produced several million shirts, pants and other garments a year.
Hossain wrote from Dhaka.


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