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DoD Digital Security Spending
I found the article Is IT security getting short shrift? to be a good reference for other large organizations contemplating digital security spending. In addition to the chart above, this text is illuminating:
Despite the growing number of attacks on military networks, securing enough money for information assurance programs is still a hard sell at the Defense Department, former Pentagon officials say.
"It's been the source of enormous frustration," Linton Wells said in a recent interview in which he recounted some of the difficulties he faced during his four-year tenure as principal deputy assistant secretary of Defense for networks and information integration...
[C]onvincing senior budget officials from the military services to spend money in that area is a continuing challenge, Wells said.
"What they say is, 'Look, we're all short on money for things we want to buy — ships, planes, tanks, whatever. Show me how this $2 million you want to put on this today is going to turn cell C17 from red to yellow to green in 2011,'" Wells said. "And that's often a hard thing to do in information assurance."
Wells said officials in charge of putting together the information technology security budget for DOD's networks need better metrics for measuring return on investment for information assurance programs.
"We have not done a good job of making the case that a dollar spent here is going to lead to a quantifiable increase there," he said. (emphasis added)
I saw Dr. Wells speak at Black Hat Federal 2006.
I have three brief points.
First, I think the bold text is the problem. If I'm being asked to spend money to turn a spreadsheet cell different colors, of course I'm going to debate the value of that spending. The problem is that the metrics used in these situations largely don't matter.
Second, I would be interested in knowing how much of the DoD budget funds counter-intelligence activities. The majority of the serious problems DoD faces have a counter-intelligence function. The intent of the adversary's activities are no different now than they were in pre-Internet days. How much has historically been spent on stopping spies?
Third, it is sad to continue to see security treated as a separate function that has to justify its own existence in financial terms. Security does not make any money so it cannot possibly compete against business projects which do. This is not strictly the case in DoD because none of the military makes money, but it is certainly true of civilian industries.
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I was at a three letter agency recently where someone was talking about putting in an new wireless detection solution. When they tried to fund it based off of IT security they received a ton of push back. When they presented it as a counter intel/classified data protection solution the checkbook opened up like a waterfall.
- Keydet89 said...
What does it matter how much money is being spent and dog-eared for "IT security"? Are they stuffing the holes with $1 bills?
...security treated as a separate function that has to justify its own existence in financial terms.
Agreed, but that's not going to change until the culture changes. The culture of senior management is to say, "come dance for ME, entertain ME, justify this to ME, and maybe I'll give you some money for this." Instead, CxO's should be asking their security folks, "what have you done for me lately?" Until this changes, security will continue to have to justify it's very existence...even in the face of breaches, fines, and law suits.
What I'd like to see is the CEO that makes his security folks do their jobs, and then goes to the golf course and starts trash talking his buddies b/c they don't have security..."dude, you call *that* security??"
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- Marcin said...
Could you clarify:
"If I'm being asked to spend money to turn a spreadsheet cell different colors, of course I'm going to debate the value of that spending. The problem is that the metrics used in these situations largely don't matter."?
Do you mean that, in such environment, the game of blinkenlights becomes important, than addressing the issue indexed by the cell c17?
I personnaly think that it is time to put some more reality into the 'dollars spent on security' graphs. A very, very significant chunk of the money spent on security is spent on governance, not security. FISMA may have equated the two terms, but they are not the same thing. Some portion of dollars spent on governance improves security, much provides the work for auditors.
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Great post!
The problem with being asked how spending money in security will turn one cell from red to green is because it's a bullshit question. The issue cell C17 is tracking is moot (especially when you're asked to justify), and will be the same color whether or not the security budget is $0 or $100 million dollars.
- Marcin said...
Maybe. Every time I add an item to our budget, the first question director asks is "what is this" and than "why"? Sometimes it is to, effectively, switch something from red to yellow (compliance, SLA issues, self-assessment items).
In this case, it seems that there is a known deficiency - what, and now the remaining question is _why_ the $514M?
I do realize that defense spending and fund management can be... different, but asking "how will you use this money, and will I see the or a result" is anything but idiotic.
Without respectable long term project management, security becomes voodoo magic - people begin hand weaving with a rant about security in depth and how security is a process instead of answering basic questions about their budgets. In addition, most of popular (trade press) metrics (return on investoment or annualized loss expectancy) are plain stupid when used in IT security presentations - wrong tool for the job.
Again, I expect that Mr. Bejtlich is correct, andt that the cell color switching is a burocractic stupidity. Still, I would like to know which of the kinds it is.


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(Report fully in Japanese. The author writes in the beginning that "many people have worried much about the future of Pentax after the PMA".. Well, me too!)
The interviewee was the Head of the Product Planning Team of Hoya's Business Division, Mr. 川内拓. (not the official English name for his post and division, but just my translation from my best understanding and translation. Ditto for all of my reports below.) Well, now let's go on my highlights on the key important points (IMO) of the interview (Well, I may write some short comments of mine in Italics within brackets):-
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- They would put more concerns on "detailed characteristics" (style?) and "mobility" of their new DSLRs so as to increase the competitiveness, but not solely on specifications alone (he once again hinted on the shortcomings of the K20D, quite obviously).
- He talked something about the design of the DA 15 to illustrate how Pentax had been putting much "heart" (designed thoughfully) in making good camera gear. (The details are facts on design which I guess we know most of them already and thus I shall not elaborate.)
- The previously "frozen" 645D project had been de-frozen (which has also been reported just earlier here, from another source). There would be announcement on the actual product plan as soon as in late March at the Japanese PIE 2009.
- He said that you might treat the development of Samsung NX (a mirrorless interchangeable lens hybrid camera) was nothing related (to us) and there was no co-development as opposite to what some reports had told overseas, i.e., Hoya/Pentax had no involvement in the NX project. But at this moment the design of the NX and the mount that would be used had not yet been finalised, it was also told.
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Chris Brown Is GQ's Worst Dressed Man
Ouch! Looks like GQ isn't on Team Breezy. The British edition of the popular men's mag named Chris Brown its Worst Dressed Man of 2012.
The magazine takes most issue with Brown's baggy fits. "For someone who seems to have so much disposable income — he boasts on one track about spending '15 grand on a phone' and charged over $500 for meet-and-greets on his last tour — Brown seems utterly adverse to investing in tailoring, combining the worst excesses of XXL sizing with a penchant for deeply unflattering costumes," GQ says.
The mag's website features a slew of Brown's worst wardrobe offenses, including a hibiscus print blazer from 2005 which we're willing to cut him a little slack for — come on, we all wore things when we were 16 that we regret now! Another shot of Brown in an oversized brown hoodie bears the caption, "At the 'Grammy Jam' celebration of Stevie Wonder. At least Stevie was spared seeing that cavernous monstrosity of a jacket." Cheap shot much?!
Breezy's other biggest problem, per GQ, is his affinity for bow ties, writing on one image, "The bow tie? Still more Pee-Wee Herman than Andre 3000." Sheesh!
While we don't agree with all of GQ's points, we gotta admit — some of Brown's outfits are a bit egregious. But at the same time, you have to applaud him for taking risks on the red carpet. That takes guts (and probably cost a 'Fortune')!


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FRITZ!Box 7590 Service - Knowledge Base
AVM Content
Setting up an external fax in the FRITZ!Box
You can use a fax machine connected to an analog extension or the "FON S0" port of your FRITZ!Box to send and receive faxes over the internet and/or your landline.
Note:All instructions on configuration and settings given in this guide refer to the latest FRITZ!OS for the FRITZ!Box.
1 Enabling fax transmission with T.38
If you want to use an internet telephone number for faxing, then you must enable T.38 (fax over IP) for fax transmission in the FRITZ!Box. With T.38, a special network protocol is used for fax transmission instead of fax tones. As a result, transmission is significantly less susceptible to interference:
- Click "Telephony" in the FRITZ!Box user interface.
- Click "Telephone Numbers" in the "Telephony" menu.
- Click on the "Line Settings" tab.
- Click on "Changing the Settings" in the "Telephony connection" section. If the section is not displayed, enable the Advanced View first.
- Enable the option "Fax transmission using T.38".
- Click "Apply" to save the settings.
2 Enabling the fax switch (passive)
If you want to use your analog landline number to receive telephone calls as well as faxes, enable the FRITZ!Box's fax switch. The fax switch automatically forwards faxes to a fax machine configured in the FRITZ!Box:
Important:For faxes to be recognized and forwarded, a different device, for example a telephone or answering machine, must accept the call first. The fax switch does not recognize calls that are not accepted.
- Click "Telephony" in the FRITZ!Box user interface.
- Click "Telephone Numbers" in the "Telephony" menu.
- Click on the "Line Settings" tab.
- Enable the passive fax switch. If the setting is not displayed, enable the Advanced View first and configure your analog landline number in the FRITZ!Box. Then you can enable the passive fax switch.
- Click "Apply" to save the settings.
3 Reconfiguring the fax machine
Set up the fax machine in the FRITZ!Box, even if it is connected to the FRITZ!Box via an ISDN PBX:
- Click "Telephony" in the FRITZ!Box user interface.
- Click "Telephony Devices" in the "Telephony" menu.
- If the fax machine is already displayed in the list of telephony devices, click the (Delete) button for the fax machine.
- Reconfigure the fax machine: Click the "Configure New Device" button and follow the instructions.
- If you cannot select the extension the fax device is connected to when configuring it, then another telephony device has already been configured for the extension. You must delete this device first.
- If the fax machine is connected to the "FON S0" port on the FRITZ!Box, during the configuration procedure you will be shown which telephone numbers to assign to the fax machine. If the fax machine is connected by means of an ISDN PBX, you must assign the telephone numbers to the extension of the ISDN PBX with the fax machine.


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Dan Goldberg – JC.com Sept 27, 2012
Pressure is mounting on an Australian man to prove that his remarkable Holocaust survival story is true.
Alex Kurzem's story has been told in a bestselling book and an award-winning documentary — both titled The Mascot — but it was the feature that was screened on America's 60 Minutes in 2009 that roused the suspicions of Dr Barry Resnick, a Californian college professor who lost relatives in the Holocaust.
Uldis (Alex) Kurzem claimed he witnessed the massacre of his Jewish mother, sister and brother in the Belorussian village of Koidanov as a five-year-old boy in 1941. He also claimed he was later adopted by a Latvian guard who took pity on him, gave him a new name (Uldis Kurzemnieks) and made him his battalion's mascot. Dressed in SS regalia, he was feted in a Nazi propaganda film as "the Reich's youngest Nazi".
The Mascot received critical acclaim. But not everyone was impressed. "After watching the broadcast and reading the book, I had serious doubts," Dr Resnick said. "One historian told me there is nothing unusual about Kurzem's story of being a mascot for a military unit. However, when he claims to be Jewish and was picked up by the Nazis, it then becomes a blockbuster of a story."
Dr Resnick has been working for the past three years with DNA specialist Dr Colleen Fitzpatrick, who was involved in uncovering two Holocaust fraud stories — Surviving with Wolves by Misha Defonseca and Angel at the Fence by Herman Rosenblat.
Mr Kurzem, who immigrated in 1949 and lives in Melbourne, believes he was born Ilya Galperin, the son of Solomon Galperin, who was taken to Auschwitz but survived, remarried and had another son, Erik.
The American scholars believe the only way to conclusively prove this is for Mr Kurzem and Mr Galperin to take a DNA test.
But Mr Kurzem, who stands by his story, said: "They call me a liar, a fake. Would you co-operate with people like that? If she [Fitzpatrick] had asked in a nice way… I would've done it." Nevertheless, he said he would take the test to "shut them up". "I will prove them wrong," he said.
Mr Kurzem's story is also under investigation by the Claims Conference, executive vice president Greg Schneider confirmed. "No proof of fraud has been found and, as such, we have not withheld any payments," Mr Schneider wrote in an email.
In addition, survivors at the Jewish Holocaust Centre in Melbourne are dubious about some of his claims.
Phillip Maisel, who has recorded some 2000 testimonies, did not believe the entire story when he first interviewed Mr Kurzem in 1996.
He disputed that the massacre of Koidanov took two days. "It was done in one afternoon and this is confirmed in a Yizkor book of Koidanov containing letters to relatives from the few who survived," Mr Maisel said.
"They're accusing me and sentencing me," Mr Kurzem said. "I'm a million per cent sure I am Jewish. I wish I wasn't when I was a little boy. It was a curse. Now it's big evidence," he said.
But Dr Resnick added. "Even if Mr Kurzem is Jewish did he witness the massacre of his family? Is he Ilya Galperin? A DNA test is the only way to prove this story."


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Prepping one's body for pregnancy may entail changing one's diet, habits or spiritual mindset.
Jasmine Sneed, owner of Jasmine Sneed LLC, and her husband have a 7-year-old child and weren't sure if they would have a second.
"I didn't know if I wanted to add the complication of a newborn," said Sneed, who lives in Frederick. "It was a lot of prayer (that got me ready for a baby), I prepared spiritually." Now that she is ready, Sneed is happily pregnant and expecting their second child in January.
Dr. Kathleen Moe, of Frederick, and her husband are still thinking about having a second child. Just in case they do, she's modified her diet and daily habits.
"I keep healthy, I exercise regularly, cut down my caffeine intake -- I used to have an espresso a day in my latte and that's since gone away," she said. "(I also eat) a well-balanced diet.
"Putting these lifestyle modifications into play ... can be beneficial," Moe said. She is a dermatologist and founding partner of Frederick Dermatology Associates. Dr. Melissa Esposito, reproductive endocrinologist with Shady Grove Fertility Center in Frederick, agrees -- diet, exercise and caffeine may have an affect on one's ability to conceive.
Weight can also be a factor. Some Shady Grove patients have needed to lose weight before beginning treatment. Others may be smokers and smokers have a more difficult time conceiving, Esposito said.
Moe also takes prenatal vitamins daily. The vitamins have folic acid and docosahexaenoic acid, also known as DHA. DHA plays a crucial role in the growth and development of the central nervous system as well as visual functioning in infants, according to the University of Maryland Medical Center's website. DHA is an omega-3 fatty acid found in cold water fatty fish and fish oil supplements.
By talking with her doctor, Moe has found the best time of the month to conceive. "When you have regular (menstrual) cycles, you usually ovulate 14 days before your menses. For most people who have 28-day cycles, that puts you right in the middle of the month," she said.
Having sex every day might not be the best idea for couples trying to conceive. "From what I've read, sperm can live inside you for about five days and you don't try to do it every single day because that (increases) the possibility of the sperm count going down," Moe said. "You try and give the guy a break every other day."
Men may also need to change their style of underwear. "You can reduce your sperm count if (your underwear holds) your testicles too close to your body," Moe said. "It warms the temperature of the sperm and kills them. There's a reason you have testicles outside your body."
Stress can also play a factor, too. "Try reducing stress and concentrating on your partner and how much you love him, instead of making it a chore, is always a good thing," Moe said. For couples who are younger than 35 and have been trying to conceive for a year or longer, it may be a good idea to visit with one's doctor or see a specialist. For couples who are older than 35, it may be a good idea to seek help after six months, Esposito said.
Moe and her husband have a 3-year-old daughter, Caroline. "I'm from a family of four and I can never imagine just having one child," she said. "Whether it's two or three, that's yet to be determined, but we'll (have) one child at a time."
To see more of the Frederick News-Post or to subscribe to the newspaper, go to http://www.fredericknewspost.com.
Copyright © 2011, The Frederick News-Post, Md.


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LEANING RESOUka aNitt,
President Kennedy talked casually with college choir members
in the White House rose garden after they performed "Let All the
Nations Praise the Lord" for him during their tour of the east coast
last spring. In speaking to the group, the late President alluded to the
important part Baptists have played in the forming of this nation. Choir
members recall his warm and personable manner in talking to them
Healy Looks Toward
Tough CageSchedule
B.ethal Coliege LearniRg Resource Conti,/ the CLARION
Volume XL — No. 11
Bethel College and Seminary, St. Paul, Minn. Wednesday, November 27, 1963
Assassin Kills Kennedy;
Campus Holds Memorial
Spring Seme
Offers Paris
by Bill Carlson
Bethel opened the 1963-64 bas-ketball
season last night against
LaCrosse state college in LaCrosse,
Wisc. Coach Jerry Healy says that
"the fellows feel that there is not
a team which we cannot beat and
we are cautiously optimistic about
this year's season."
Senior co-captains Phil Bolinder
and Roger Olson lead the Royals
into a tough 21-game schedule.
The 6' 5" forwards and their team-mates
face the University of Min-nesota
at Morris in the home open-er
Tuesday, Dec. 6.
George Palke will join Bolin-der
as a starting forward. The
6'4" junior transferred last year
from Wheaton college. Bolinder
lead the team in rebounds last
Junior Don Moore will play cen-ter
for the Royals. Moore's 6' 10"
should add rebounding and inside
scoring strength that the Royals
missed last year.
Sophomores Jerry Moulton and
Edgar Peterman will start at the
guard spots. 6' 3" Moulton won a
letter last year as a forward.
5' 11" Peterman led scorers on the
B team during the first semester
last year.
Rich Nelson, a 6'5" transfer
student will join Olson as a re-
Review Party
Campus Young Republicans'
membership drive will be held next
Tuesday and Wednesday. Any-one
wishing to join or desiring ad-ditional
information is invited to
talk with the club representatives
in the student lounge.
Bethel's YGOP is affiliated with
the Minnesota federation of Young
Republicans and will be participat-ing
in the state YGOP convention
to be held in Minneapolis Feb. 28
and 29.
Next meeting will be held Wed-nesday,
Dec. 4, at 6:30 p.m. in the
President's dining room. A repre-sentative
from the Ramsey county
Republican club will briefly dis-cuss
party organization from the
local to national levels and lead a
group discussion on "What is Re-publicanism?"
serve forward. Sophomore Randy
Johnson will put his 6'4" be-hind
Moore at center.
Two freshmen guards complete
the traveling squad. Dave Bjork-lund,
an end on the football team
from Henning, Minn., moves his
6' well on the basketball floor.
Quarterback Bob Nolin from Orr,
Minn., is proving to be a 5' 10"
Bethel faces a strong Aurora
college team tonight at Aurora,
Ill. This will be the first meeting
of the two clubs. It should provide
a stiff test for the Royal offense.
Royal opponents will probably
face a zone defense much of the
time. A patterned offense built
around Moore will be expected to
keep Bethel winning.
by Paul Larson
Two weekends ago, the Ameri-can
Association of Evangelical stu-dents
met at Marion college, Ind.
The regional convention brought
together representatives of a broad
spectrum of institutions — from
Bible - only institutes to colleges
with relative religious passivity.
Organization of the program was
simple and coherent. Thursday
night, Dr. Herbert Beyrnes, dean
of Huntington college, spoke on
the general theme of the conven-tion,
"Education that is Chris-tian."
His concept of education
was too restrictive in the eyes of
the attending Bethel students, but
he spoke in terms general enough
to include almost everyone.
Friday brought a series of
speakers on specific fields. Mor-ning
chapel consisted of a mes-sage
on "The Christian Way in
the Co-curricular Activities," by
Dan Odle, athletic director of
Taylor university.
Following lunch, Dr. Russel Mix-ter
of Wheaton college gave an
address on the subject "The Chris-tian
Way and the Natural Scien-ces."
Dr. Mixter's main thrust was
that science and Christian belief
should support rather than fight
each other.
Primary value of his message
was its emphasis on a separation
Bethel joined the rest of the
world in mourning the assassina-tion
last Friday of President John
F. Kennedy. Nik Dag festivities
Saturday night and classes Mon-day
were cancelled in honor of
the dead leader. Tuesday morning
during the chapel period the col-lege
and seminary held a joint
memorial service in the fieldhouse.
Monday President Lundquist is-sued
the following statement:
"While every segment of so-ciety
grieves over the unbeliev-
Debaters Await
Third Contest
Bethel is once again participat-ing
in the Twin City Debate lea-gue,
which includes 20 schools in
Minnesota and Wisconsin. The lea-gue
has a series of four tourna-ments
a year.
Two of these debates have been
held. In the first debate Bethel
tied with Macalester for first place.
Lindy Nelson and Sharon Larson
of the negative team won all three
of their debates. Jim Kein and
Fred Lund of the affirmative team
won two.
In the second debate stiffer com-petition
resulted in only one win
for each of the teams. The third
debate of the series will be held
Tuesday, Dec. 3.
Wednesday and Thursday, Dec.
4 and 5, the first team will travel
to Ames, Ia., for a tournament at
Iowa State university. The debat-ers
also plan to ravel to Winfield,
Kan., and to Illinois State Normal
university for tournaments.
Question for this year is "Re-solved:
that the federal govern-ment
should guarantee an oppor-tunity
for higher education to all
qualified high school graduates."
of theology from specific scien-tific
Leo Cox, division chairman of
religion and philosophy at Mar-
(cont'd. on p. 2)
List Reveals
Summer Jobs
A directory listing 35,000 sum-mer
jobs throughout the United
States for college students is now
Summer Employment Directory
for 1964 gives the names and ad-dresses
of 1,600 organizations
which employ college students. It
also lists positions available, sal-aries
and suggestions on how to
Many types of jobs are found
at summer camps, resorts, various
departments of the government,
business and industry. National
parks, ranches and summer thea-tres
listed also need college stu-dents.
Students wishing summer work
apply directly to the employers,
who are included in the directory
at their own request.
A copy of the directory may be
obtained by sending $3 to Na-tional
Directory service, Dept. C,
Box 32065, Cincinnati, Ohio 45232.
able death of our president, aca-demic
communities such as
Bethel especially have lost a
"John F. Kennedy brought with
him into the White House many of
the basic concerns of higher edu-cation:
the integration of intellec-tual
theory and practical politics,
the humanitarian drive to attempt
needed social reform, and the cul-tivation
of the fine arts for the en-richment
of total life.
"As a result the young people of
this generation have seen the high-est
idealism of campuses through-out
America brought into sharp
focus by the example of a single
national leader.
"Although his influence has
been cut short by an assassin's
bullet, some of the values he
emphasized have been given a
momentum that not even death
will slow down.
"These constitute a sense of na-tional
direction, something for
which Mr. Kennedy pled. Alto-gether
they are a legacy which in
death he has bequeathed to every
thoughtful American who dedi-cates
himself to the unattained
goals of his country."
Rev. Lloyd Dahlquist, general
secretary of the board of trustees
of the Baptist General conference,
issued the following statement
Sunday morning:
"Conference Baptists are griev-along
with all Americans at the
tragic death of President John
F. Kennedy. Political party lines
and philosophies dissolve quick-ly
as hearts are melted into a
oness of sympathy for his fam-
Applications for a special spring-semester-
in-Paris program to be
conducted in 1964 by the Institute
of European studies, Chicago-bas-ed,
non-profit institution special-izing
in overseas programs for U.S.
college undergraduates, are due
Tuesday, Dec. 10.
Institute president Robert T.
Bosshart said the new program
was developed in response to in-quiries
about a shorter program
incorporating most of the charac-teristics
of the institute's present
two-semester program in Paris.
He said growing academic in-terest
in the Paris center was
typified by a team of U.S. pro-fessors
who recently inspected it
and described the institute's pro-gram
there as "the strongest
now being conducted in Paris."
The new program will stress
French language study and other
courses taught entirely in French
by French university professors.
The fee for the program will be
$1,230 or $1,590 including trans-
Atlantic passages.
Applicants must be sophomores
with three semesters of college
French or juniors with five semes-ters
in that language. All must
have B averages.
Courses will be offered in
contemporary European history,
politics and economics, art his-tory,
European novel and mod-ern
European poetry, as well as
in French. Language instruction
will emphasize ear and speech
ily as we pray for God's abound-ing
grace upon wife, children
and parents.
"For our new president Lyndon
B. Johnson, we join in supplica-tion
that he may have strength,
wisdom and faith to guide our na-tion
in the ways of God's will.
"Verses six and seven of Psalm
75 may give us assurance that our
Lord guides in the affairs of the
nation. It reads: Tor promotion
cometh neither from the east, nor
from the west, nor from the south.
But God is the judge: He putteth
down one and setteth up another.' "
Athletes Seek
Blood Donations
Lettermen's club will sponsor a
blood drive for St. Paul Regional
Red Cross Blood center on Friday,
Dec. 6. Blood donations will be
taken in Edgren residence from 10
a.m. to 4 p.m. Jim Nelson is chair-ing
the committee for the blood
Anyone from 18 to 60 may take
part in the program. Donors un-der
21 must have the written con-sent
of a parent.
St. Paul Regional center and its
86 local chapters provide free
blood for all residents of the reg-ion.
Even when traveling outside
of the region residents may re-quest
blood from the center.
Cost of the Red Cross blood pro-gram
is shared by the Red Cross
and by the hospitals which parti-cipate
in it.
ster Studies
training in small classes and will
be supplemented by language-laboratory
Students accepted for the pro-gram
will sail February 1, 1964,
and will return after the end of
the program late next June.
Further information is available
from the Institute of European
studies, 35 E. Wacker drive, Chi-cago,
Ill. The institute also con-ducts
full-year and spring-semes-ter
programs at the University of
Vienna and the University of Frei-burg,
West Germany.
Gridders Dine,
Present Awards
Bethel's 1963 football team will
hold its annual banquet Thursday,
Dec. 5, at 6:30 p.m. Guest speaker
for the banquet, to be held at the
Picadilly Supper club, will be Bill
Boni, sports writer for the St. Paul
Pioneer Press.
Highlighting the evening will be
presentation of next year's co-cap-tains.
Other awards to be present-ed
will be best offensive blocker
award, best defensive player a-ward,
the new lion award (given to
the most aggressive player), the
goldbrick award, the tapeworm a-ward
(given to the player who
wears the most tap throughout the
season), and the team comedian a-ward.
Bethel Delegate Evaluates
AAES Regional Convention
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the CLARION Wednesday, November 27, 1963
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United
States is dead."
These words ended a few minutes of hope still held by Ameri-cans
after hearing that a bullet had sprawled the President in the
back seat of his open limousine. Americans have mourned the loss
of their youngest President. The world has mourned the passing
of a great leader.
True measure of his greatness can never be made, for we have
only an interrupted record to examine. Yet we can look and see
what he did and what he said during his short life. He closed
his inaugural address with inspiring words that have already be-come
familiar. These sentences were among those read at his
funeral. He said:
. . . if a new beachhead of cooperation can be made in the
jungles of suspicion, let both sides join the next task: creating,
not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the
strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved for-ever.
All this will not be finished in the first 100 days. Nor will
it be finished in the first 1,000 days, nor in the life of this Ad-ministration,
nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet.
But let us begin.
In the long history of the world, only a few generations have
been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maxi-mum
danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility—I welcome
it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any
other people or any other generation.
The energy, the faith and the devotion which we bring to
this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it, and the
glow from that fire can truly light the world. And so, my fellow
Americans: ask not what your country will do for you—ask what
you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world:
ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can
do for the freedom of man.
by J. David Patterson
Student senate's Nov. 19 meet-ing
was held up 20 minutes while
President Sorley rounded up
enough senators to complete the
quorum. One of the senators pre-sent
was overheard saying, "It's
ridiculous: those people should be
here." At 7:05 p.m. a bare quorum
was present and the meeting be-gan.
Because Jim Spiceland was one
of the absent senators his report
on the regional National Student
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Association (NSA) conference was
postponed until the next meeting.
Marcia Daniels was unable to
give her report on homecoming,
since she had lost a portion of
it. Her report was also set aside
until the next meeting.
Ed Carlson presented a report
on the regional American Associa-tion
of Evangelical Schools (AAES)
convention held in Marion, Ind.
Carlson mentioned a plan sug-gested
by a Wheaton student to
exchange chapel programs with
other colleges in the midwest. He
further said that he felt that the
AAES was an organization of sub-stantial
merit and that we need a
campus AAES committee and bud-get.
Mike Peterson questioned the
true merit of the racket squad and
suggested the possibility of a pep
section in conjunction with or re-placing
the racket squad. Bob
Beckstrom moved that the athletic
committee evaluate the worth of
the racket squad and present or-
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`Both Killer and Victim Individuals',
Says Political Scientist Peterson
by Karen Sloan
Assassination of the late Presi-dent
John F. Kennedy is a tragedy
that has significance as the death
of an individual above its signifi-cance
as an assault on a political
The shocking words, "The presi-dent
has been shot!" evoked from
us as mericans a sense of identity
with the tragedy as people feeling
(cont'd. from p. 1)
ion college, was assigned the
topic "The Christian Way and
the Humanities," but spent most
of his time talking in general
terms about academic freedom
within a Christian context.
"No one is objective," stated Dr.
Cox. "The person who frankly ad-mits
a point of view is closest to
Friday closed with a disappoint-ingly
vague panel discussion by
the speakers and a series of stu-dent
government shop talks.
Saturday morning brought de-votions
and a message from Dr.
Edward Coleson of Spring Arbor
college on "The Christian Way
and the Social Sciences." Dr.
ganizations for school spirit and
look into the possibilities of a
white-shirt cheering section. The
motion was carried.
Peterson then moved that the
cheerleaders go to other colleges
in an effort to obtain more stim-ulating
cheers. After a few mo-ments
of discussion Peterson
withdrew the motion and Lindy
Nelson moved a similar proposal
referring the matter of sub-stan-dard
cheers to the athletic com-mittee.
After much discussion a question
arose as to whether or not Nel-son's
proposal had been seconded.
The dilemma was resolved by sec-onding
the motion.
At this point advisor Dr. Roy
Dalton interjected that the topic
under such heated debate was cov-ered
under Beckstrom's original
proposal. The point had eluded the
president and other senators.
It sseeeemms s to me that there is a
definite lack of interest within the
senate. Call it apathy if you will.
It is particularly disappointing
that on two occasions no quorum
was present when the meeting was
to begin. Whether this problem is
a manifestation of the feelings of
the entire student body, or merely
one indicative of the philosophies
of individual senators, it must be
solved if the senate or any legisla-tive
body is to succeed significant-ly.
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a personal grief rather than simply
as citizens. Kennedy's death was
as the death of a man that we all
In an interview Saturday, Dr.
Walfred Peterson suggested that
the assassin should also be re-garded
as an individual. "No
group can be held responsible."
Peterson, professor of political
science, added, "The group is
Coleson was the least afraid to
voice his opinion.
He believed there to be a sin-gle
Christian economic position,
which has escaped the understand-ing
of twentieth century man.
Final and most valuable address
was delivered by Marion philoso-pher
Duane Thompson. Dr. Thomp-son
pulled out the main emphases
of all the speakers and closed with
a searching analysis of weak points
and subjects needing further ex-amination.
He attacked the idea presented
earlier that Christianity must be
preached in the classroom. He
asserted that Christian truth
should not be forced through a
direct statement of right and
wrong, but should be allowed to
spread through the "holy con-tagion"
of the teachers, that is,
through their commitment AND
The convention as a whole was
thoughtfully planned and operat-ed,
though the lack of specific in-teraction
was disappointing. Few
people were really made aware of
the large differences of opinion
and perspective that were present.
This was due in part to the
broadness of the speeches and in
part to the large size of the dis-cussion
groups that followed. Most
of the delegates seemed willing to
accept practically all that was said
without it effecting a vital change
in their way of thinking on spe-cific
Tlia Week . . .
Wednesday, Nov. 27
Basketball. Bethel at Aurora,
5 p.m. Thanksgiving vacation begins.
Monday, Dec. 2
8 a.m. Classes resume.
Tuesday, Dec. 3
3 p.m. Music recital. College auditorium.
6:45 p.m. Student senate. Room 105.
8 p.m. Bethel vs. Morris here. Fieldhouse.
8 p.m. College wives. Dining room.
9 p.m. WMF. Seminary chapel.
Wednesday, Dec. 4
6 p.m. YGOP. President's dining room.
7-9 p.m. Boys' intramurals. Fieldhouse.
Thursday, Dec. 5
6.30 p.m. Football banquet. Piccadilly res-taurant,
White Bear, Minn.
7 p.m. SNEA. Room 105.
9 p.m. Pre-seminary meeting. Room 106 in
seminary building.
Friday, Dec. 6
10 a.m.-4 p.m. Bloodmobile. Edgren recrea-tion
8 p.m. Basketball. Wahpeton at Bethel.
Saturday, Dec. 7
8 p.m. Basketball. Sioux Falls at Bethel.
Monday, Dec. 9
6:30 p.m. Twin Cities minister and Bethel
faculty Chrstmas party. Bethlehem Bap-tist
7 p.m. Seminary wives. Bodien lounge.
Tuesday, Dec. 10
8 p.m. Basketball. Bethel at Northwestern,
Wednesday, Dec. 11
6:30 p.m. Festival of Christmas rehearsal.
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guilty in the sense that it is the
promoter of extremist passions."
He alluded to a public statement
made on the subject of the assassi-nation
by an Eastern political fig-ure
that those who do not con-demn
extremist groups are also
Peterson commented that "there
seems to be more hysteria over
this incident on the American
scene than one can account for
considering that this nation has
weathered several major crises
since the last war."
He suggested that it is this
tendency to hysteria in the na-tional
character that promotes
the action of the evidently de-ranged
characters who have been
guilty of such violent assaults.
"American civilization has an
important streak of violence in it
. . . even though the assassination
is regarded as the work of a craz-ed
person," Peterson further re-marked.
He pointed out that in the last
99 years of American history seven
successful or known attempts at
assassination have been made. By
contrast he compared the British
record. No prime minister has been
assassinated over the same period
of time.
"Or to look at it another way,
three out of four of the last
presidents have been victims of
assassination attempts. Even the
French haven't had a similar re-cord."
"U.S. homicide rate is also high-er
than western European coun-tries."
The reason? "Perhaps it is
the result of our nearness to fron-tier
life and its violence."
Peterson's opinions on the new
president are: first, there will not
be any policy changes; and second,
it is a good guess that Johnson
will be the Democrat's presiden-tial
candidate for 1964.
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