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How teachers get their kids to behave (and how you can too!)
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As I sat on a teeny-tiny chair reading to Vivian in her kindergarten classroom, I noticed her teacher, Debbie, do something that made my jaw drop. "David called me 'liar liar pants on fire!' and he didn't stop!" one boy reported to Debbie. Debbie took David's hand and said, "Come over here and help me make sure I have enough milk for snack."
That's why Debbie is Debbie and I'm a mess. In one simple move, she removed him from the conflict, distracted him from the joy of teasing, gave him attention he obviously needed (but not the kind of negative attention he may be used to), and made him feel like a useful part of the class, rather than a fringe kid who only gets noticed when he razzes others. That would never have occurred to me.
Debbie is clearly not the only teacher who has a few brilliant tricks up her sleeve—techniques that she's learned over the years to keep her whole class engaged, paying attention and (for the most part) behaving for seven hours, five days a week. I knew I had a thing or 20 to learn. Following: teacher tricks you can steal to keep your guys on the straight and narrow.
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When they're acting up:
Give them a do-over
"If I see two kids pushing in line, I might say, 'Pao and Tommy, please make a different choice,'" says Michelle Mertes, a first-grade teacher in Wausau, WI. "Kids typically know what they're doing wrong, and using this technique gives them the chance to change their choices and make me proud." Which, she says, kids really want to do, despite their occasional in-your-face behavior. "Seeing a disappointed adult is more powerful than being yelled at," she says. If they don't come up with a better choice, of course, then it's time to take away a privilege, like the chance to sit next to a friend.
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When they're acting up:
Add a dollop of guilt
"If a kid is doing something ridiculous, look at her like you're disgusted or make her feel a little guilty," says Alison Frank, a kindergarten/first-grade teacher in Encinitas, CA. Let's say your child is fondling every piece of fruit in the grocery. "It's probably better to say 'I hope you don't have a cold coming on—now someone is going to buy that and your germs will be all over it,' rather than 'Don't touch that.'" This gives her both a good reason to stop and a chance to think about how her action affects others.
Like a security guard tailing a shoplifter may deter the crime, sometimes just standing near a kid who is breaking the rules will curtail the behavior—you may not even need to stop what you're doing or say anything. Elaine Smith, a third-grade teacher in West Bloomfield, MI, says that while she's teaching, she'll simply drift over to where the kid is goofing around, and perhaps come up behind him and place her hands on his desk. The mom equivalent might be to make your presence known by peeking into your child's room or lurking in the hallway or peering over his shoulder while you're on the phone (and he's doodling instead of doing homework). If he knows you're onto him, he may stop.
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When they're acting up:
Get on your knees
Not to beg, but to look the child square in the eye. "Women tend to stand up when talking to kids, whereas men tend to kneel down and get eye-to-eye," points out Nick Ferreira, a former teacher who is now an education adviser at Child Center New York, a nonprofit child and family support organization in New York City. "Getting down to their level changes it from a huge scary interaction to a direct conversation," he says.
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When they're acting up:
Channel their "superpower"
When a child repeatedly acts out in a particular way, find the positive in it and help her use this "power" for good, not for evil. Christine Herring, a third-grade teacher from Monroeville, PA, recalls one girl who was super-bossy, which caused her classmates to reject her—and led her to misbehave. "I told her, 'You know, you have a strong personality and someday you could be President. But the problem is, to be President, people have to like you. Your friends don't like it when you're bossy. So think of yourself as a President-in-training, and start really working on respecting your classmates, listening to them and knowing when to use your bossiness.'" Once Herring had helped the girl understand the best times to use her strong leadership ability, like when organizing a game, things went more smoothly.
If your child can't sit still, his superpower might be "energy," which you can direct him to use at the right time and place (for the fastest cleanup on record, maybe, or when he's out in the yard). If she's a cutup and disturbs other diners in the restaurant with her Hannah Montana medleys, praise her ability to make people laugh, but give her an outlet where her superpower will be appreciated—a musical-theater class, for instance, or an evening performance for you and your husband. If she breaks into song at the wrong time, you can say, "You're not using your superpower correctly," says Herring. "They start to get it after a while."
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When they're not listening:
Change "go" to "come"
Next time you find yourself desperately trying to get your child to do something (like sit down for dinner), try saying "Come with me to the table so you can sit down," instead of "Go sit down at the table," suggests Joan Rice, a third-grade teacher in South Milwaukee, WI, and coauthor of What Kindergarten Teachers Know. "It almost immediately changes the tone from one of confrontation to one of cooperation," she says. Plus, you can take him by the hand and move him where you want him.
Be assertive
Saying "Okay, today we're going to clean out the garage" works better than "Well, I was thinking maybe today..." Stand up straight as you let them know what's going to happen, says Maribeth Boelts, a former preschool teacher who now writes children's books in Cedar Falls, IA. There will be no doubting who's in charge. Still, there's no need to be a drill sergeant. "I think kids need a cheerleader, so try to be optimistic, cheerful and firm about what needs to happen next," says Boelts.
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When they're not listening:
Say their name first
"With kids who don't listen the first time, say their name first and then what you want," suggests Smith. "If you say 'Make the bed, Suzie,' she's not going to hear anything before her name." Standing nearby is also more effective than yelling across the room—it's too easy to ignore you that way.
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When they're not listening:
Let them swap chores
If you have more than one kid and it's cleanup time, giving them the freedom to trade tasks can make them more likely to comply. "Something may feel like a lot of work to one kid but not to another," says Carol Hock, a retired fourth-grade teacher in La Quinta, CA. Letting them switch gives the kids some sense of control, plus it shifts the conversation from Ugh, we're doing chores to What chore do you want to do? "It makes it more interesting for them," says Hock. "Everyone is jockeying to get what she wants, and the person who used to have the job is watching to make sure the other does it right." If you have one child, you can have a three-way swap meet with your child and partner or employ the technique when it's cleanup time at a playdate.
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How to prevent misbehaving (as much as humanly possible)
Let them make the rules
It won't be the inmates taking over the asylum—promise. In fact, their rules may well be more stringent than yours. "At the beginning of the year, we sit together and come up with the classroom expectations—what we expect of each other and ourselves," says Hope Zettwoch, a fifth-grade teacher in Willington, CT. "Then we spend a lot of time discussing it. It helps them to have an investment in the rules." My daughter Viv's teacher actually has the kids make drawings depicting the rules, so they're doing something positive to reinforce them.
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How to prevent misbehaving (as much as is humanly possible)
Give them a piece of the rock
Frank assigns each kid a task that she's good at, so she feels like an integral part of the classroom. "I had a kid last year who loved gardening, so it was his job to turn our garden soaker hose on and off every day. Then I'd thank him in a genuine way without making a big deal about it," says Frank. "It really does make a difference because they're not working for a specific reward—they're working to maintain their self-esteem and the respect of the teacher." You might try asking your child to be in charge of emptying the dishwasher, if she's old enough, or to be the one who makes sure all the lights are out in the house before you leave.
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How to prevent misbehaving (as much as is humanly possible)
Do a countdown to liftoff
Transitions (getting out the door, putting toys away before bathtime) are a bear for kids and adults. Boelts suggests a countdown. If you have to be out the door at 9:20, call cleanup time at 9:00. At 9:10, it's pee and put-on-shoes time. At 9:15, everyone needs to have their coats on, etc. "You count backward with a schedule," she says. That way, you're sure to have allotted enough time, and the kids know what to expect.
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How to prevent misbehaving (as much as is humanly possible)
Set up a take-a-break space
It can be any quiet, comfy area with no TV to which kids can excuse themselves when they're feeling sad or overwhelmed, and where you can direct the kid when he's misbehaving. In Zettwoch's class, it's a giant beanbag. "A child can choose to take a break, or you can tell him he needs to," she says. The take-a-break space is not a time-out, emphasizes Zettwoch, because it's not a punishment in itself (even if you're the one who asks the child to go there). "In fact, I pick a time when everything is going fine to give each child a chance to sit there, so they know what it would feel like to take a break and that it's not a punishment or a consequence." (That said, if the behavior is repeated, Zettwoch would take away a privilege or implement a consequence she and the child had decided upon together.) The upside? You don't have to drop what you're doing or take attention away from another kid to have it out with the one who is drawing on the walls—he goes and takes a break—plus you can postpone the conversation for a few minutes until everyone (including you!) calms down.
Whatever you do, make sure you aren't making any of these common discipline mistakes.


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There is nothing wrong with a former president of the United States, and former leader of a great party, coming forward to speak out on a pressing national question. In fact it's part of a former president's job to be serious in this way, and if he doesn't do it every day but holds his fire for potentially key moments it can be helpful.
Nothing George W. Bush said yesterday in Dallas did any harm. He spoke earnestly and in broad support of immigration, and in so doing reminded everyone that there are many flavors of Republican, and many views within the party. His remarks were portrayed, as he surely knew they would be, as chiding of his party at a moment when it is low and probably needs more inspiring than rebuking.
Which reminds us of what went wrong last time.
In 2006, when he was president, Mr. Bush brought forward what he called comprehensive immigration reform, a huge bill that, in its sprawl, managed to be not fully coherent, deeply unaware of the moment, and thoroughly anxiety producing. When the president was opposed—Republicans on the ground felt under siege from what was essentially an open border, one Mr. Bush's administration had failed to make progress in controlling—he was surprised. His White House then took an unfortunate tack and turned on the party. Opponents of Mr. Bush's bill, to hear him and his supporters tell it, didn't have a point, or points, and they weren't quite worthy of persuasion or appeals to reason. They would instead be accused of moral failings, especially bigotry.
President Bush himself suggested opponents of his bill were unpatriotic: "They don't want what's right for America." His ally, Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, said, "We're gonna tell the bigots to shut up." The homeland security secretary, Michael Chertoff, suggested opponents would prefer illegal immigrants be killed; Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez accused those opposing the bill of wanting "mass deportation," and former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson said those who oppose the bill were "anti-immigrant" and suggested they suffered from "rage" and "national chauvinism."
It was morally smug and snotty and did not generate support. Instead it solidified opposition, and further broke a party already fracturing from the wars and high spending.
A note to Republicans: Don't let that happen again.
The coming immigration debate should be marked by reason and persuasion, not breast beating and manipulation. That's how you bring Republicans along.
One of the biggest things often missing in politics? Tact. Simple tact.
This is one of many reasons it would be good to see more Republican women rise and speak for the party: because they still have more of it than the men.


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Restaurant owner's invention could land on reality TV
A Houston businessman has an idea that could rid the world of having to use drink coasters and napkins to stabilize restaurant tables.
Steve Christian, owner of Houston burger institution Christian's Tailgate Bar and Grill, believes so strongly in his invention that he sold interest in two of his restaurants, spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, and is auditioning to get on an ABC reality show to make it succeed.
He says his patented device simply eliminates wobbly tables. It's a catchy claim for something that costs around $20.
"Something I built in my garage outlasted everything else on the market," Christian said of his Table Jack.
The invention, now being sold online, is already used at a number of Houston-area restaurants, including El Real Tex-Mex Cafe in the heart of Montrose and Mi Luna in Rice Village. The jack is also in use at a number of national restaurant chains, listed on the device's official website.
On Monday, Christian was getting ready to take his jack to Las Vegas for the Nightclub & Bar Convention & Trade Show to showcase it to potential customers. Christian said there are 20,000 of them already used in the wild.
The genesis of the Table Jack came when he opened his Midtown bar in the late '90s and found that the flooring made tables unsteady. It took eight years and seven or so prototypes to get the jack that he has on the market today. The first jack debuted in Midtown in late 2008.
The device requires the installation of three glides to the bottom of three of the feet of a pedestal table. A small jack with a foot pedal is installed on the fourth foot. It allows for the table's level to be adjusted as needed by stabilizing the three glides.
"I've probably spent thousands of hours engineering the jack," Christian said. "And that number probably doesn't do it justice."
There are other adjustable devices to level restaurants tables, but he said this is the only one that can be adjusted by foot. He said this is more sanitary than a waiter or customer using their hands to put sugar packets or crumpled newspaper under a table leg.
Christian said he sold his interests in his Heights and Midtown Christian's Tailgate locations and now focuses his time on the Washington Avenue property and promoting the jack.
"That location opened in the mid-'40s and it's a family property," he said. "It's a true third-generation operation."
During Austin's South By Southwest, he participated in an audition for the ABC reality series Shark Tank, which features sports mogul Mark Cuban as one of the judges. The show's judges evaluate inventions from everyday Americans for investment opportunities.
Christian's audition was on a Friday and he got a call back two days later, meaning he had at least gotten over one hurdle on the way to having the Table Jack on TV. He still needs to make a second entry video and undergo a series of background checks.
He wants the attention of the judges and investors on Shark Tank because he eventually wants to be the go-to guy to level all tables, not just restaurant tables.
"I'm not trying to go there just for advertising, I want funding and a deal too," Christian said.
He said he has already spent around $200,000 on the Table Jack and that all the money he has made so far has gone back into research and development. The jack's mold and tooling are made in China, but the parts are all assembled in Houston at a warehouse off of I-10.
Christian is also working on two other inventions for keeping beers ice-cold in buckets.
His advice for budding inventors wanting to make their invention a reality is to persevere.
Christian said it took three appeals to get his patent approved. He said the hardest part of marketing something like this is convincing people it will actually work.
"Keep working on your dream," he said. "The first rejection was disappointing but I kept at it."
Also find a good patent lawyer, he said.


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Allergy symptoms occur when your immune system tries to attack the allergen in the body. When this happens, your body creates mucus. This can cause bothersome symptoms in the nose, eyes, and lungs.
Allergy shots are also called "immunotherapy" since they work with the immune system. When a small amount of the allergen is injected into the body, the immune system makes an "antibody" that blocks the allergen from causing symptoms.
After several months of injections of a specific allergen(s) known to cause some of your symptoms, you may feel relief of some or all of your symptoms. The relief of symptoms can last several years. For some patients, allergy shots can prevent new allergies and help asthma symptoms.
People with well-controlled allergic asthma, allergic rhinitis, allergic conjunctivitis and insect bite sensitivity can benefit from targeted allergy shots. Patients with eczema (a skin condition) caused by dust mite allergy may also benefit from allergy shots.
Allergy shots are effective for these common allergens:
Adults, including the elderly, as well as children may receive allergy shots.
People with severe asthma or heart conditions are generally not good candidates for allergy shots. If you take medications, such as ACE inhibitors or beta blockers, you should discuss the risks of allergy shots with your doctor. Pregnant women should not begin allergy shots, but they may be able to continue allergy shot treatment that has already started.
Food allergies are not treated with allergy shots.
Allergy shots are typically given in your doctor's office about 1 - 3 times per week for 3 - 6 months. This is called the "build up" phase. Additional doses are given for 3 - 5 years every 4 - 6 weeks. This is called the "maintenance" phase. The shot is usually given in the upper arm area.
Keep in mind that many visits are needed to feel the full effects of this treatment. Your doctor will assess your symptoms on occasion to help decide when you can stop your allergy shot treatment.
An allergy shot may cause a reaction on the skin (such as redness, swelling, and itching) or a mild nasal stuffiness or runny nose.
Though rare, it can also cause a severe life-threatening allergic reaction called anaphylaxis. As a result:
Reactions to allergy shots can be treated in your doctor's office right away.
Allergy injections; Allergen immunotherapy
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Although you may not realize it on the surface, DevHub, the free site builder and hosting platform, is effectively a very sophisticated mashup using over 40 different external APIs. The Seattle-based startup, now with 10,000 site publishers who've built over 100,000 sites, have recently launched a major upgrade with new site editing tools, more content (API) partners, and new monetization tools. Their core offering takes data from APIs and other content sources as a way for niche publishers quickly create content-rich sites along with built-in monetization options:
For example: Say you are a sushi-connoisseur. On DevHub you can create a site with a page on your 'sushi experiences' and another page on 'how to roll your own sushi'. You can then enhance your 'sushi experiences' page with restaurant listings and your 'how to roll your own sushi' page with how-to videos and relevant sushi-rolling products -- all of which have the potential to generate revenue. With a few virtual strokes, that sushi lover site you've always wanted to build is now a reality, and you may even make some extra dough to support that sushi habit.
It's in many ways how they leverage APIs into a platform of their own that distinguishes them from other web site building services like Yola and Weebly.
As they note in their FAQ:
while DevHub does offer similar site editing and content management tools to current online solutions, the power of the DevHub platform is in its aggregation and distribution system, allowing us to hook in via APIs to a wide range of content and monetization partners. These integrations are then placed in modules in the editor for users to place on their site to enhance their content and revenue-generation capabilities. As an aggregated ecosystem of developers, we are often able to bring onboard exclusive partners or deals that would typically not be available to the individual developer.
There is a lot of heavy lifting involved in integrating that many APIs, many of which are listed here on ProgrammableWeb, but also includes private partner-only APIs which can be less robust than more mature public APIs. There are also challenges in building the aggregated revenue reporting features DebHub offers their site owners. That's because each e-Commerce API provider often has their own means of reporting to their API consumers: some have password-protected web pages, some provide downloadable data, and others send updates via email with attachments.
Given these challenges and the lack of standardization across services, it's impressive to see this many APIs combined to deliver a useful service while hiding all that complexity from the end user.


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jhonora: Good Morning BBen
BBENN: Hello Jhonora I sent you an email message about the Michell and Aime family. I did find out that Paul Aime and Victoria were from Port Vincent and French Settlement in Livingston Parish.
jhonora: Yes, I received it. I'm sorry I didn't reply. I know a Valcour Aime descendant who is researching Aime. I will check with him about what he knows.
BBENN: Paul is listed in the 1870 as coming from Africa. He is also in the History of Livingston Parish book as the only African documented in the Parish.
jhonora: Where does the Lobell family originate?
BBENN: French Settlement Do you know about the Lobell's? What are you working on lately?
jhonora: I actually had never seen that name before.
BBENN: Big name in Livingston Parish.
jhonora: By the way, are you the Mrs. Bennett who was featured on Antoinette Harrell Miller's show?
BBENN: yes Did you see the show in NOLA?
jhonora: Yes, I know Ms. Antoinette, I was on her show twice before Katrina.
BBENN: Interesting! That was about 6 years ok?
jhonora: It was at the beginning of 2005. I know that following Peter Clark on his homesteading journey was fascinating.
BBENN: what are you working on now? Thanks, glad that you liked it. I still have parts 2 and 3 to add to the story.
jhonora: I am working on a history of the Knights of Peter Claver. Also my Pierce and DuBose families
BBENN: Wow! The Knights of Peter Claver. That should be very interesting. I have just completed an article about meeting the slave owner descendants of my family.
jhonora: It is a fascinating 102-year story which I hope to have published by 2013.
BBENN: Where will you publish your story?
jhonora: Which family's descendants were those?/
BBENN: Are you majoring in History?
jhonora: We are considering Xavier Press, Cathedral Press, or U.L.L.
BBENN: My father's side of the Family - Kemp surname.
jhonora: Yes, I am a history major at Tulane. Are the Kemps from Louisiana?
BBENN: Wonderful! You will have an long and enjoyable career. No, SC.
jhonora: The Upcountry or Lowcountry?
BBENN: Upcountry. Most of the Louisiana Kemps are from SC. Maternal side are all from LA.
jhonora: My g-g-g-grandmother was from Chester Co., SC.
BBENN: Is that up or lowcountry?
jhonora: It is up above Columbia
BBENN: Ok, have you done any research in SC? I have gone to Columbia to the genealogy conferences and conducted research at the SC Archives.
jhonora: No, but I did find great info in the Digital Library on American Slavery.
BBENN: Have you come across any records on individuals with the Youngblood surname in Lousiana? Information about your family on the Digital Library on American Slavery? SC is an interesting place to search. The SC Archives has a lot of information on-line. I wonder where is everybody this morning? Is this your last year at Tulane?
jhonora: This is my junior year
BBENN: Another exciting school year! How do find time to do your research and study? It is so wonderful to find someone at your age interested in genealogy? Most conferences are full of old folks..lol Have you tried to encourage your colleagues and friends to get involve in genealogy research?
jhonora: I research on Saturdays if I can, and sometimes on Friday afternoons.
Seventies Soulchild: good morning all... wow a new interface! love it!
BBENN: Hello seventies soulchild!
jhonora: I think that if genealogy were a part of the Amer. Hist. curriculum it would interest a lot of people. Good Morning 70s!
Seventies Soulchild: hi jhonora, hi BBENN
BBENN: I agree. I have a friend who presented a curriculum on genealogy a couple of years ago in Washington, DC.
Seventies Soulchild: jhonora how are things going with you? I know you've been busy this summer.
BBENN: Somebody must be introducing genealogy in the school curriculum somewhere...we just need to see it promoted. 70's what have yu been up to lately?
jhonora: I'm doing well. Have been calling all over the country the last few days speaking with descendants of early leaders of the organization whose history I'm writing.
Seventies Soulchild: Schmoozing at work.. lol We had a bbq yesterday for work.
BBENN: Either of you heading to Little Rock next month or Ft. Wayne? bbq, that sounds like fun!
Seventies Soulchild: It was nice. An opprotunity to network.
BBENN: networking..oh yes, I remember that word. lol Just kidding - I am retired.
Seventies Soulchild: I volunteered for this diversity conference at work. Soooo I'll be working on that. Bringing my own personal expertise to the table.
freeaainnc: hi!
Seventies Soulchild: The school I work at is finally realizing that they may need to be the leader in diversity. lol But this has been going on at other universities and colleges for some time now.
jhonora: Diversity conference, I'm sure you will bring a great historical and contemporary viewpoint
Seventies Soulchild: Thanks BBENN and jhonora. hi freeaainnc!
BBENN: what made the finally realise the they may need to be the leader? Any significant event?
Seventies Soulchild: I don't know... it was announced at our picnic.
BBENN: interesting. no lawsuits on the horizon? freeaainnc - what are your working on?
Seventies Soulchild: No, no lawsuits.
BBENN: That's good.
freeaainnc: hi bbenn. right now working on an article about laws regarding free people of color in antebellum nc
Seventies Soulchild: That should be interesting.
BBENN: Sounds interesting! Where will you publish this article?
freeaainnc: NC Genealogical Society Journal
Seventies Soulchild: freeaainnc, could you post a link to the blog again? Thanks, the NC blog
BBENN: Great!
freeaainnc: it would be my first article published my blog? or my library's blog?
Seventies Soulchild: really? I thought you were an old pro at this.
freeaainnc: nope SS lol
BBENN: I am polishing up my citations on an article I wrote on meeting the slave owner descendants of my family in SC.
Seventies Soulchild: well both...
freeaainnc: wow, that's cool
Seventies Soulchild: What was that like BBENN?
freeaainnc: lol SS. just sec and let me get them
Seventies Soulchild: I e-mailed the overseers or as they referred to their ancestor 'plantation manager' lol once. And I was not nice. Rather, they e-mailed me and the response was not nice.
BBENN: It was really interesting. She knew who we were before we knew who she was and then we saw the papers with my gggrandfather sold for $400. Shock, sad, accepting...moving on...
freeaainnc: my blog: http://freeaainnc.blogspot.com/ library's blog: http://statelibrarync.wordpress.com/
Seventies Soulchild: Thanks freeaainnc
freeaainnc: Also, the state library is asking for help from the public to help transcribe family bibles for digitization
BBENN: I describe the entire encounter in my article. I published the fist story back in 2005 and then decided to write another story.
jhonora: Good Morning alt!
freeaainnc: I posted a link to that in the States forum for NC if you are interested. anyone can help and it's all online so it doesn't matter where you live
Seventies Soulchild: my family's worth was $1700, mother, father, two girls. Their grandfather didn't even have a value.
BBENN: hi alt
alt: good morning y'all
freeaainnc: hi alt
Seventies Soulchild: Good morning, alt
freeaainnc: ss how do you know their value?
BBENN: the first group consisting of mother, father and three children- $1,986..that was in 1830. In 1844 the child was sold for $400.
Seventies Soulchild: I ordered the records a couple of years ago from LSU. And further research into the family this summer helped with this.
freeaainnc: ordered what records?
Seventies Soulchild: I did some record analysis.
freeaainnc: ok, cool
BBENN: The value was listed in the slave inventory for sale...I have wills, deeds and equity papers.
alt: is this a new window for the chat room?
freeaainnc: oh, ok bbenn, thanks
Seventies Soulchild: I ordered from the LSU special collections. Ellis-Farrar families. They owned them about 4 generations
freeaainnc: apparently so alt
Seventies Soulchild: yes nice isn't it alt
freeaainnc: yeah
alt: sorry to cut off the discussion.... please continue
BBENN: The planters kept detailed records. The slaves are listed with the farm equipment, kitchen utensils and animals.
Seventies Soulchild: Oh they must've owned quite a few places, BBENN. These people who owned my family owned about 4 plantations in SW MS and LA
BBENN: Some of the records provide the names and ages of each slave.
freeaainnc: wow hi khathu
Seventies Soulchild: jhonora, the Ellis-Farrars also owned Evergreen plantation in New Orleans.
Khathu: good morning from sunny phoenix, az
BBENN: hi kathua
Seventies Soulchild: Hey Khathu. Its raining here thanks for rubbing it in... lol
freeaainnc: raining here too, but we need it! lol
Khathu: anytime seventies
BBENN: I need information on the Coxe Plantation in Louisiana. I am told that it is the same plantation as LIVE OAK. also raining here..we need it.
alt: good morning Khathu
Seventies Soulchild: We don't.... lol we just had a bad storm here last week....
BBENN: khathu, what are you working on?
Seventies Soulchild: That name sounds famliar BBENN. Have you looked it up? I think jhonora has left us...
freeaainnc: after this heat streak this summer, all the grass has been burnt to a crisp
Seventies Soulchild: I thought you all would've gotten some rain from that t ropical storm. Emily right?
freeaainnc: welcome back
Seventies Soulchild: @freeaainnc
freeaainnc: not in raleigh
Seventies Soulchild: oh
freeaainnc: probably on the coast, but we'
Seventies Soulchild: aaahhhhh
freeaainnc: we're too far west
Khathu: i've haven't done much genealogy lately however i am working on a couple of articles for genealogical journals and societies
Seventies Soulchild: congrats!
freeaainnc: sounds like 3 of us are doing that lol you, me, and bbenn
bbenn: what topics? just curious...I love to hear what other's are working on...it serves as an incentive to keep on writing.
jhonora: Evergreen is great plantation, 70s
alt: freeaainnc, another descendant from a Pettiford line contacted me this past week.... her line did the NC to Ohio to Indiana and back to Ohio thing beginning in the 1840's.
jhonora: The Ellis Farrars are related closely to the Kenners.
Seventies Soulchild: Ok, by marriage jhonora?
bbenn: I think that I have pictures of Evergreen. Isn't it on the web?
freeaainnc: oh! cool! let them know about me if they need help with NC
jhonora: I think so, I know Duncan Kenner, was Duncan Farrar Kenner.
alt: okay freeaainnc, will do just that.
Seventies Soulchild: okay. My family's last owners were Benj and Mary Farrar's daughter Ann Eliza and her husband Dr. W.N. Mercer After Benj died, Dr. Mercer managed all of the MS plantations.
Khathu: slave era research using in-direct evidence, reconnecting families separated during slavery, and provening identity
Seventies Soulchild: He brought his friend in Wilmer shields to assist with the management, jhonora
Khathu: those are the topics of the articles
alt: Farrar's ..... could they be from the VA Farrar's of the late 1700's? Goochland County, VA.... they were French Huegenot's.
Seventies Soulchild: Khathu, when you are done writing your slave era research guide... please send me a copy... I have some folks that
freeaainnc: wow Khathu, that sounds great! would love to read them! especially using indirect evidence and proving identity
Seventies Soulchild: appear on the 1870 census for Adams Co. that I believe are relations based on the slave inventories and informal records. Any assistance or insight would be very appreciated.
freeaainnc: wb bbenn here is some velcro [ ] [ ] hehe
Khathu: My friend and I are planning on creating a slave era research guide for the Central Maryland AHGS Chapter
freeaainnc: that's great khathu
bbenn: I keep touching something lol
Seventies Soulchild: really alt? From the public history that I know of the Farrar's, they settled immediately in the LA territory.
Khathu: send me the records seventies and i can take a look at it
bbenn: khathu, I need to join that group.
Seventies Soulchild: ok Khathu
Khathu: we can talk later then
bbenn: when is your next meeting? I attended the Libation ceremony in March.
Khathu: i think the next meeting is in september
jhonora: I believe that the Farrars were Huguenots
bbenn: Thanks
alt: yes Seventies Soulchild, I have a Peter Farrar married to a Trepenah LaForce in Goochland Co., Va .... 10 Sep 1766
Khathu: i think i told you about it bbenn if i am not mistaken.
Seventies Soulchild: hmmm I wonder if he was related to Benjamin Farrar?? Interesting. Let me check my notes.
bbenn: signing off. I enjoyed chatting with everyone. Jhonora, have a successful school year and I look forward to reading your book.
alt: from Goochland Co., VA some of the Farrar's went to Chatham Co., NC and from ther I have no idea.
AYWalton: Good morning, all.
Khathu: a/
AYWalton: Howdy alt, free, khathu, SoulChile.
jhonora: Good morning AYWalton!
alt: hello AYWalton & good morning to ya.
Seventies Soulchild: Remember I was saying a while back that I was told that Charles Rounds & his mother came from Goochland Co., Richmond, VA?
Khathu: Hello AYWalton
Seventies Soulchild: Hi AYWalton
AYWalton: jhonora, did I see that you are working on a book?
jhonora: Yeah, the same I've mentioned a few times on the knights
AYWalton: ahhh ok. How is the work progressing? khathu did you and daviss get to speak?
Khathu: I saw The Help on Friday. It was pretty good.
AYWalton: I hope to see it this week.
Seventies Soulchild: I missed the discussion last night, but I did see AYWalton's tweet on it this morning....
jhonora: It is coming along well. I received a picture of Mr. Eustace Pilgrim recently, who was an early grand knight in Baltimore.
Khathu: Yes, I did AYWalton. We have a tentative schedule to meet today
AYWalton: oh that's great!!! how did you get the photo, jhonora?
jhonora: From a Pilgrim family member
Khathu: She gave me the name of a Barber on Friday.
AYWalton: Oh that reminds me, I finally have Mrs. Callum's number a new one. that's wonderful! will email it to you.
jhonora: He was the caretaker for decades at St. Mary's College/Seminary
AYWalton: oh really? that is interesting, to know, jhonora.
Seventies Soulchild: Tell daviss hello!
Khathu: i will
AYWalton: do the KP folks have emblems on their headstones like some of the other organizations, jhonora?
Khathu: i am sleepy. i haven't adjusted to this time zone yet
alt: jhonora's 'friend" from Tulane Melissa Harris-Perry (?) gave a 'scathing' review of "The Help".
AYWalton: I know what you mean, but khathu it is noon here, so you should be wide awake and bouncy!!!
jhonora: That was proposed as early as the 20s but never done.
AYWalton: of course your sleeping pattern is all confused now.
Seventies Soulchild: that's what I was thinking AYWalton.. lol
AYWalton: I think I saw that.
Seventies Soulchild: alt, I read a scathing review also... from the Ladner blog. I think that's the name of it.
AYWalton: Some of the ladies need to take a chill pill----just because LBJ signed the Civil Rights act in 1964---did not take the maids out of houses. Many folks still do days work.
Khathu: I think people are failing to remember it is a novel told from the perspective of a white author.
AYWalton: and their stories are worth telling. exactly! and in fact---I have been following the threads on Twitter, and TONS of black folks come out singing praises for the film.
Seventies Soulchild: From the reviews I've read I think that's the thing that makes them mad! lol
Khathu: well then they should write a book and make a film
alt: Movies will do that... Until the Lion's have their own historians the hunt will always glorify the Hunter" ....
freeaainnc: so true Khathu
Seventies Soulchild: touche
AYWalton: of course they are not from the hallowed halls, and the sistas in the ivy covered towers need to pause and understand, that many regular folks and those who have mothers and grandmothers who were maids are not quite as offended!
Khathu: alt - the problem is that most of us would never consider writing something like this
alt: yep Khathu, that's for sure.
jhonora: alt, the Assoc. of Black Wom. Hist was mad!
Khathu: especially on this topic and even if we did many of us wouldn't support it.
Seventies Soulchild: Perhaps, but believe that it was a very important historical topic within the black community.
AYWalton: there is a class divide going on in our own neighborhood and the sistas in the tower are bemoaning something the the members of the family are not bemoaning. and what has come out---has been the abuses---small AND large. and often times the small abuses---the daily indignities---these need to be shared!
Seventies Soulchild: Maids and butlers, in my own experiences, were praised as being the people who were on the front lines getting information during the Civil Rights movement.
Khathu: The Assn of Black Women Historians issue a statement condeming the film and book which I think is absolutely ludacris
AYWalton: quite true. they are the unsung heroes!
Khathu: it is not a historical film or documentary
AYWalton: Yes, I saw that one first then I saw the review from the Tulane professor.
Seventies Soulchild: and I've talked to some of my own family members about this who live in AL and many were very sympathetic to the plight of maids.
AYWalton: But Fiction has a role!
alt: wasn't Storm Thurmond's "mixed" daughter the "hit' of the season a few years back... and she was a result of exactly the abuses only hinted about in The Help.
Seventies Soulchild: right, AND this didn't just go on in the south, but also in the Northern cities.
AYWalton: Yes it is fiction----things that never happened to people who never lived----BUT----------Uncle Tom's Cabin opened the eyes of lots of indifferent people to the horrors of slavery.
Khathu: I liked the book and the film
AYWalton: To Kill a Mockingbird, opened the eyes of the world to the south and its prejudices.
alt: wherever there were AA domestic's Seventies Soulchild North, south, East or West in the good old US of A.
AYWalton: I think that we need to pause and appreciate what fiction can do. works of fiction do matter!!!
Khathu: And what did Hattie MacDonald say - I rather play a maid than be one
AYWalton: there are untold stories of abuse of power---and we see them. Strom Thurmond---took advantage of a 14 year old maid.
Seventies Soulchild: yes alt, also there have been scandals in the last few years where there were people doing the same thing to Au Pairs right here in NYC and some of these surrounding suburbs.
Khathu: i have only one problem with the film though
AYWalton: That is called rape in many states-------and he was revered for years, till he died.
Khathu: who read the book
freeaainnc: I did
AYWalton: Look at the current scandal of the day----
Seventies Soulchild: I think that's what's upsetting so many people AYWalton.
AYWalton: the Governor of California had a CHILD with The Help!
Seventies Soulchild: LOL AYWalton... forgot about that!
alt: I'm having problems with UGRR historians NOT speaking to the role played by FPOC in that movement. let alone the Civil War.
AYWalton: and these days Mammy's name is now Maria, or Conchita. what is the upsetting part, S SoulChile? I missed it.
Khathu: Seventies - we are very sensitive to issues pertaining to pre-integration here in the U.S.
Seventies Soulchild: They bring undocumented workers in AYWalton from all over the world. A black couple was arrested for bringing a girl over from Africa to be their maid.
AYWalton: ah yes, that does happen.
Seventies Soulchild: He was a minister, I agree with that Khathu
AYWalton: and TONS of Nigerians have brought over "relatives" who are really house girls, and they labor as slaves. I know of a Nigerian doctor--female doctor---who had two slaves here in MD.
freeaainnc: khathu - what is your 1 problem with the movie?
AYWalton: The slaves eventually emancipated themselves.
Seventies Soulchild: AYWalton, the fact that a complete picture of all the issues weren't brought up.
AYWalton: One ran away and the other had a green card marriage, and got out.
Khathu: i don't want to say if people haven't read the book
freeaainnc: hi keli
AYWalton: howdy keli1!
Seventies Soulchild: That's sad AYWalton.
jhonora: Good morning keli1
AYWalton: Good to see you.
Seventies Soulchild: Hi keli1
keli1: Good afternoon to all!
freeaainnc: Khathu tell me in a message. I have
alt: hello keli1.. how are things in "ole virginny"?
keli1: they are OLD.....
freeaainnc: lol keli
AYWalton: I was wondering if the historians who did not like the book/film were uncomfortable with the story focusing on maids, in general. I keep asking myself if they are being a bit elitist.
keli1: I am trying to decide if I will drive to Michigan (stopping in Ohio) or take train....
AYWalton: when are you traveling, keli1?
Khathu: I saw a movie called Slave that dealt with the enslavement of African by Arabs in Sudan. It was based on a true story
keli1: I am thinking of 8/31 to 9/7
Seventies Soulchild: When my grandmother came to NY she eventually took a job as a maid. I didn't know this until I became an adult. She hid it from us.
AYWalton: well the Arabian slave trades was as brutal if not more horrific than the Atlantic slave trade.
Khathu: it is reported that there are over 50,000 enslaved African in England today
AYWalton: I can believe that. and many are enslaved by their own folks. they go back home, get a child from some village, or an illiterate woman from a village, and bring her to UK, or USA.
Seventies Soulchild: I believe it Khathu. And let's not forget Saudi Arabia. . . they lure dark skinned people there from Islamic countries to be enslaved. Something I've seen with my own eyes.
AYWalton: plus I have seen the indifference that many folks have to those who have less. I saw that myself in Nigeria.
keli1: as in today Khathu, meaning still enslaved?
Khathu: being kidnapped and being enslaved
AYWalton: I saw people begging for food and asking if they could eat the items off the plates that people were finished with at an outdoor outing. And they gave them their plates of unfinished food while young teenagers ate the food. So very sad.
alt: do those enslaved in the middle east become "chattel' and are there children, if they have them born into a life of slavery?
Seventies Soulchild: If you ever see those people, its like there is a posture they have and a demeanor as if they've been broken... very sad to see. But what can you say if you're in a foreign country? And you're a woman?
alt: there=their
AYWalton: and I have told the story to Nigerians here, and one man just shrugged and said, "I don't even see them," meaning they are there, but not people who matter.
Seventies Soulchild: yes thanks alt.
AYWalton: that was very troubling.
Seventies Soulchild: That is troubling.
Khathu: they are enslaved and sent to other parts of the world including the U.S.
alt: Seventies Soulchild, your 'yes' was in answer to my question?
keli1: extremely troubling
AYWalton: I hope to see The Help this week, though.
Seventies Soulchild: no, thought it was a grammar correction... but to your question. Yes there is generational slavery. This is based on information I've come across.
Khathu: let me know what you think and i will share with you i issue with the film...it is a very small but crucial detail that was left out
keli1: I have an uncle still alive in Michigan born in Meridan Ms, don't know the exact year, he is 90 something, still cannot look a white person in the face, no eye to eye contact
AYWalton: how sad, keli1 you should blog about that or make a video about it or something. there are probably many people still living like that.
Seventies Soulchild: Absolutely, AYWalton. Which is troubling too.
AYWalton: khathu which detail was left out? you mean from the book that was not in the film?
Khathu: that was left out of the film but was in the book
Seventies Soulchild: oh you may as well tell it now... lol
keli1: oh yes, he can talk a lot of stuff, till someone white person appears, he retired from GM, so sad, it is a total personality change, also he married as white as he could, and I would love to study that, even though his wife was mulatto
AYWalton: I have read the book, but not yet seen the film---go ahead---I am curious myself, now. how interesting, keli1
keli1: yes that would be a great study on the generational aspects
Khathu: i sent it to you in a private message
keli1: 70s bring it out oops Khathu, I have seen the movie and reading the book
freeaainnc: I need to go all. good convo today, enlightening
Seventies Soulchild: have a great day Free
keli1: bye freeaainnc
AYWalton: take care, free.
freeaainnc: bye
keli1: well I am waiting to hear, lol...
AYWalton: I wonder fi there should be a response to the ivory tower ladies---the historian who are so mad about the movie. they were truly indignant, while those who have seen it are not upset.
keli1: I ignore those aspects, my thought, bring it all out, hollywood will dress some things up, but get the facts as best as you can
AYWalton: they are spitting bullets mad.
keli1: that is sad as well
Seventies Soulchild: There was a woman who spoke about a similar subject a while back on TED. It was about her maid and her participation in the CR movement. She wrote a play about it.
Khathu: there response is call harold cruse called the crisis of the negro intellectual
AYWalton: on Twitter there is a hashtag group #TheHelp and one called #TheHelpMovie. They are mostly all praises.
Khathu: there =their
AYWalton: TED? what is that, SoulChile? good point, khathu.
Seventies Soulchild: Now I saw this piece way before the book or the film were known to me. I
keli1: remember the move George about the train red caps. TED the technology ting
Seventies Soulchild: Oh that was good too keli1
AYWalton: in this case the Negro intellectuals are blowing off steam in but no one is listening. what is TED SoulChile?
Seventies Soulchild: I will have to see if I can find it AYWalton. The woman is an english instructor at a university in Iowa or somewhere way out there. I'll tweet it once I find it. TED is an organization that does talks on a variety of subjects
Khathu: they are showing their lack of relevance to the issues affecting a large segment of the community
alt: in the small northern town where I grew up your family's position in the AA community was often dependent upon how wealthy were the 'white' folks your women worked for as domestic's.
keli1: Those maids were smart as all get out protrayed in the movie, they came together and got it done, I loved the point on the relationships, etc, so happy that they came together to 'tell' their story
Seventies Soulchild: They have quarterly conferences and a lot of their talks are on their website TED.com alt, I think that was a carryover from slavery... IMO
keli1: my friend presented the World Peace Game/4th graders there, John Hunter
AYWalton: and I find that to be very said---they are in fact---out of touch!
jhonora: My cousin Elise worked for several judges' families and would often call them and tell them to get black men out of jail.
alt: no doubt Seventies Soulchild... that was an observation of how it was and how I saw it.
AYWalton: I think that their indignance (is that a word?) reflects another kind of divide within our own community.
vkn: Howdy to all
AYWalton: But the fact is---they--the group of historians, are actually not that visible in the community---most folks have never heard of them, will never hear of them, nor read their complaint. Greetings, vkn!
vkn: AYW!!!
keli1: Hi vkn!
AYWalton: So they are shouting out into the wind, and few, if any will hear.
alt: hello vkn.. G'day to ya.
Khathu: Hello vkn
jhonora: That is an ongoing discussion, about academics being more active in the community
keli1: I believe most of us have a family history of domestic workers were are proud of
AYWalton: wb SoulChile!
vkn: gday gday alt
Seventies Soulchild: I think I'm taking BBENN's place now... lol
AYWalton: and we should not be ashamed of them in any way.
Khathu: my granmothers were domestics before they went to college and became nurses
AYWalton: and many folks do speak the way the women spoke in the movie.
vkn: Seventies Jhonora Keli Khathu
Seventies Soulchild: Yes I never got that speaking thing. I know people who talk like that too, still today...
keli1: oh AY of course, I can call names now, nothing wrong with how they speak, that is what was in their environment
AYWalton: I wonder if there was some shame coming from the historians. I am kind of surprised at that.
Seventies Soulchild: So can anyone explain what's so offensive about the dialect?
alt: not at all AYWalton, the 'domestic's' in my area were the folks who had jobs, come heck or high water, when the men frequently got laid off.... they were the 'steady' breadwinners for most families that I knew.
keli1: some people can't handle the dialect, which to me just brings out history out more and more
AYWalton: good gracious, we all can speak like that ---I mean if I go to some places in Arkansas, I won't speak the same way I speak at a university campus Maryland. Good Lawd hab mercy!!!
Seventies Soulchild: Maybe they just glossed over the linguists periodicals.
keli1: I don't see anything wrong with it 70s
jhonora: Me too! That accent comes and goes
keli1: I can bring it out as well, lol..
Seventies Soulchild: Yes who doesn't say Fin'ta?? or finn'a??
AYWalton: you mean fixn'ta
keli1: still use it...my kids call me out all the time...lol...
Seventies Soulchild: Fixn'to is how white folks say it!lol
AYWalton: my grandmother said something happened "yestiddy"/ and I have no shame in the fact that she said it.
keli1: oh love that one AY
AYWalton: I am trying to remember more.........but can't.
keli1: AY you bussing it or flying to NBGS
alt: "jeat".... first I heard this was in college from a guy from Alabama... he was asking "Did You Eat"?
AYWalton: I would give anything to hear her speak again. jeat yet?
keli1: we are now creating a great story to be written
AYWalton: probably flying, keli1 or Amtraking maybe.
Seventies Soulchild: That's just dialect. Anyone know any non-english words in our dialect still in use today?
keli1: I couldn't get the Amtrak to work, 80 miles from Ft. Wayne
vkn: Log of Sat Nite is up Discussion includes New room layout and more
AYWalton: For some reason, I think 2 years ago the bus was much cheaper. ahhh I see...then I might fly.
keli1: gas, my dear, gas...
Seventies Soulchild: I see vkn...
AYWalton: Have to find out from Selma where she flew into.
jhonora: Well, my uncle never could make "h"'s he made teet for teet, tief for theif, appy for happy, etc.
keli1: jeat is fabulous, I can hear it spoken...
AYWalton: and folks are umble, and not humble.
Seventies Soulchild: Oh yea jhonora, my favorite, I'm going to go make groceries. I never said that until I left NY... lol
alt: 'tote" for carry and 'poke' for bag Seventies Soulchild
keli1: carry me --car ride
AYWalton: I still say "sack" for paper bag. and "pop" for soda.
Seventies Soulchild: yes two words I read in a linguist periodical that were African in origin alt. Also toddler. Which was surprising to me.
keli1: I truly believe it is what came down broken from our enslaved ancestors as they learned to speak the English language
Seventies Soulchild: Also, che or sh'e
AYWalton: probably so.
jhonora: I "make groceries" all the time, 70s
keli1: now wait a minute I say Pop, now always have
AYWalton: mais yes, che your southern ties are showing, then keli1
jhonora: We say soft drinks
vkn: Paper poke as opposed to Crocus sack
keli1: no pop is not southern, coke or soda is really southern, northern's said Pop
Seventies Soulchild: Some of those words are african. My grandad says cudda for turtle... doesn't say turtle.. and man did I have a hard time understanding him after a while...
AYWalton: we would also say croker sack. lol
keli1: jhornra, soft drinks where are you from
Seventies Soulchild: Also one I read last week Mack...
jhonora: Louisiana
AYWalton: that is the fancy city boy from Nawlins talking, now.
Seventies Soulchild: lol AYWalton
vkn: Keli Cocola and Nehi Grape
AYWalton: I bet in the country they say pop.
keli1: you all said soft drinks, no coke or soda, wow that is new for me
jhonora: We say neutral ground for median and banquette for sidewalk
AYWalton: Grapette and Nehi for me.
keli1: RC cola
Seventies Soulchild: yes.. they look at you crazy if you say soda...lol
Khathu: Alright everyone have a great week and hopefully i will be back in DC tomorrow
keli1: I think so AY, fancy talk
AYWalton: Dr. Pepper and RC were good backups.
jhonora: Of course they is always "red drank" or "blue drank" etc.
Seventies Soulchild: Ok have a safte trip Khathu
alt: can't wait, huh Khathu LOL
AYWalton: I miss 7Up in the green bottles. It tasted better. and the original Coca Cola was so strong, it burned my nose. I would prefer Nehi and Grapette.
keli1: you can still buy those pops in certain stores
Seventies Soulchild: jhonora, what is the word for ... well pimp. Macqu something or other. I read that the term MACK comes directly from the word. A very popular term in the CA black culture.
AYWalton: sometimes I see them at CrackerBarrel restaurants.
Seventies Soulchild: I like nehi peach.
jhonora: maque'
AYWalton: never had Peach. That must be a newer flavor. Creme soda was a nice treat.
keli1: yes Cracker barrel is one of them, did you see where the waitress at crackerbarrel found her gg grandmother picture on the wall
AYWalton: but I am RootBeer child.
Seventies Soulchild: yes that's it. I had no idea that word came from that... its now world wide.
jhonora: maqureau
Seventies Soulchild: yep that's it.
AYWalton: didn't see that story, but saw a story where somebody found an obituary of an ancestor on the wall.
jhonora: Barq's Root Beer is my favorite
AYWalton: AW was what I grew up with, plus a local kind from the DairyDelight, when I was growing up.
alt: one of mine too jhonora
keli1: I didn't know they shopped antique places, etc to obtain them, I thought they were all fake, I will pay more attention now
Seventies Soulchild: Me too Keli1
vkn: Hires Root Beer is the best lol
AYWalton: I think they just find discarded items from flea markets and antique shops and junk stores.
Seventies Soulchild: Do they still make Hires?
keli1: there as well, yes
AYWalton: I don't recall seeing that brand. At least they did not carry it at the Piggly Wiggly.
vkn: I have no clue seventies
alt: Vernor's Ginger Ale
keli1: we grew up with A & W rootbeer
AYWalton: (now how many of you all know THAT chain?)
keli1: yep love Vernor's
Seventies Soulchild: Piggly Wiggly? I grew up on A&P, Pathmark and Shoprite. So New York.. lol
keli1: I am familiar with Piggly Wiggly and Winn Dixie, once I moved out of Michigan
AYWalton: I was so amused when some friends came back from "down souf" and had only two words to say to me----Piggly Wiggly!!!! they were so amused and amazed. I was rolling with laughter at their astonishment.
vkn: We also had Jitney Jungle in Alabama
keli1: foxworthy described some of my relatives using piggly wiggly bags or luggage on the way to hawaii
jhonora: We had Schwegmann's
AYWalton: Gee I wonder if Schwegmann's is related to Wegmans the gormet supermarket folks.
keli1: good thought, hmmm
AYWalton: is that a store chain, vkn?
vkn: May only have been Anniston AYW
keli1: it is interesting that we are talking about all this, which now is another lead on checking the local employers/businesses in research areas, etc
jhonora: In Rose Hill, Mississippi, the grocery store also serves as the barroom/concert hall
alt: That's what Shannon Sharpe, who just went into the NFL Hall of Fame, said he had for luggage when he went to college (Savannah Sate) from his home in GA .. two piggly wiggly bags
AYWalton: just googled it and see images of some of the stores. must have been a chain.
vkn: Really ? LOL
AYWalton: yes. have to run, folks
alt: later AYWalton
AYWalton: have a good day.
vkn: I just know one would get a 25 pound bag of flour which had a print pattern which was made into a dress
keli1: well I need to go, I have 2 more marriage records to order.. Oh Art, where do you get marriage records from, state or local, know of any online for OHIO
alt: try familysearch for older marriage records keli1
vkn: Howdy ProfDru
keli1: yea nothing coming up on ancestry or family search, so I am resorting to writing the letters, lol
jhonora: Oh well I'm going y'all!
keli1: looking for Medina and Wayne county marriage records
alt: or a letter to probate court for the county in question keli1... names. approx dates . what timeframe keli1?
keli1: 1863-1867
alt: nice 'new' screen vkn
vkn: Thankee alt
alt: familysearch has some for Ohio during that time period keli1.
vkn: Y'all be good
keli1: I am stuck without finding a 1912 death records in Iowa, os now believe the persons must not of died there nothing came up so far
alt: only familiar with Iowa records from the census
keli1: oh well I am getting off as well, ttyl thanks!
alt: and some records for Johnson County .... Iowa City bye keli1


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