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Saturday, July 23, 2011
Don't buy Flex Seal - Liquid Rubber
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- Scotty said...
Hey Ray...
I'm surprised you didn't notice that the guy in the commercial says "a second can free!!" and then quickly, in a low voice, adds "just pay shipping and handling". The same ploy is repeated on commercial after commercial where you hear, "But wait. There's more!" Pay attention!
- July 28, 2011 at 12:22 PM
- KJ said...
Sir, you are certainly right right down to the second...10 sec and it's gone...Damn ripoff for the money
- August 22, 2011 at 4:31 PM
- KJ said...
Sir, you are certainly right..right down to the second, 10 sec and it's gone. Boy what what a damn ripoff for the money
- August 22, 2011 at 4:33 PM
- As Seen On TV said...
The "Quantity" option on the Flex Seal website is misleading and that is how they make money. The offer says 2 Flex Seal sprays for $30 (including shipping) so if select mitiple quantities its quantity into $30.
The product itself soes not work you are better buying a similar product at hardware store.
- September 5, 2011 at 10:40 PM
- Ray Hanania said...
They're liars. The one can is $19.95 and the shipping and processing is listed on TV as $9.95. But they don't say they also charge S&P for the second can so the total bill comes out to almost $40 or more ... and just a note on their gimmick fishing boat screen door bottom: they had to have used 30 cans of their FlexSeal crap to cover the screen. There is no way one can can cover more than 12 inches or so of surface. It's THAT BAD folks.
Ray Hanania
- September 6, 2011 at 5:21 AM
- Broadway Al said...
I purchased Two 16 ounce cans.
What arrived were two 10 ounce cans. When I called to complain, the had the nerve to tell me that 16 ounces was the weight of the can not the contents. Yes that seriously tried to tell me that!
- September 22, 2011 at 7:21 AM
- Broadway Al said...
I purchased Two 16 ounce cans.
What arrived were two 10 ounce cans. When I called to complain, the had the nerve to tell me that 16 ounces was the weight of the can not the contents. Yes that seriously tried to tell me that!
- September 22, 2011 at 7:21 AM
- gappic said...
Glad I read these comments after I placed my order! I canceled my order immediately but was told it would take 24 to 48 hours for the order to "come through the internet". Seriously, this company reeks of RIPOFF. My invoice ended up being almost $150.00 as i said yes to every offer thinking I would have the opportunity to edit before purchasing. NOT SO! I absolutely hate these kinds of businesses. I will keep you posted as to the status of my cancellation since the representative from customer service couldn't guarantee that my order would be cancelled.
- October 3, 2011 at 8:57 AM
- mvflaim said...
Thanks for the review. I'll look in the hardware store first before buying from these bozos. I had a bad intuition when I tried to leave their website and a pop up came up telling me not to leave. I immediately closed the entire window so they wouldn't be able to add cookies to my browser. These guys SUCK!!
- October 6, 2011 at 5:48 AM
Forget this product , you will get 2 cans half full and forget trying to contact them all you get is a recorded message and no real person to talk to 40.00 lost RIP OFF thats what this company is.
- October 15, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Wow. I Googled flexseal and found this forum. I'm glad I did. I will not be purchasing flexseal at all. I will result to something similar at homedepot.
- October 20, 2011 at 12:27 AM
Wow, so glad I did some digging before ordering and found this site. How do companies get away with this crap! Thanks to all of you posters, you saved me some serious money. Obviously, if we could afford a new boat or new gutters, we wouldn't consider buying a product like this. I work hard for my money, thank you again posters for the info!
- October 20, 2011 at 12:38 PM
Yeah, wow, thanks for all the insight! I gave some serious thought to trying this product to seal portions of the underside of a roof that appears to be leaking. But when I hear these horror stories about only 10oz cans, getting lassoed into $150 purchases of other useless crap, etc....After a bit of research, I'm leaning toward trying Permatex 81833, which you can buy at any AutoZone, PepBoys, etc.
- October 23, 2011 at 11:48 AM
I was double billed as most of you were. I emailed the Better Business Bureau, and they got me my refund. Just some good info
- November 10, 2011 at 6:41 AM
Thanks for the heads up on this "product". I will not be ordering this garbage.
- December 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM
I was going to order flex seal but after reading these comments i have decide not to. thanks everyone for the input
- December 18, 2011 at 6:47 AM
Glad I googled this forum before I ordered. Was suspicious when I saw there was $10 handling charge. Then from reading this forum realized quantity was a ripoff.
I wonder if they are violating the law with false advertising?
Thank you for sharing.
- December 27, 2011 at 1:12 PM
I'm so glad I got on this site. I knew this was another (BUT WAIT)B.S.! Second can FREE? Then follow it up in the same breath with (JUST PAY) extra P&H. The word free is self explanatory. How the hell much more can these rip off companies continue to be allowed to screw over and insult the publics inteligence. So whenever you hear, (BUT WAIT) from any of these people,change the channel! any
- December 27, 2011 at 3:56 PM
Go to your local auto parts store and pick up a can of car body undercoat for $5.00 same thing.
- December 27, 2011 at 4:25 PM
Thank God I read your link before buying from these scam artist. . .I'll just go to home depot and buy something similar there. Thank you :)
- December 28, 2011 at 4:37 PM
- Chase Aucoin said...
You can buy the same stuff for 5 dollars a can at home depot.
- December 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM
- havefaith999 said...
I learned the hard way - NEVER fill out the information/billing section before you see the TOTAL charges.
A lot of companies work this way, and then it's impossible to contact them to reverse your order - even 15 minutes later.
One other thing I learned was to ask to speak to someone in the U.S. - these companies are legally suppose to let you do that.
- December 31, 2011 at 8:15 PM
- Bert in Pittsburgh said...
Thank you for taking the time to give us all a heads up. I had thought about using the product to seal "box gutters" a common type of gutter on early 1900's houses. Your information basically told me that it would cost thousands using this spray. I'll try truck bed liner instead.
- January 1, 2012 at 7:58 AM
I would buy Flex Seal...but not getting ripped off paying the
$19.90 for shipping and handling...get real..would buy but not paying the rip off fee
- January 1, 2012 at 9:32 AM
I have a very good understanding of what flex seal is. If interested you can go to the local auto parts store and ask for a can of paintable rubberized undercoating. If you buy the big can 16-20 oz. it should run you around $7-$8. The material in the can of flex seal is made from a Chicago area company that has produced underbody coatings and rust preventives for a long time. The product really does work if used properly. Any exposure to UV will cause the rubber in the product to breakdown and crack which will require additional application.
- January 2, 2012 at 7:00 AM
I found the product works quite well, but it will cost you twice as much as they say it will. They promised me 1 for a price or I could have 1 more can for just shipping and handling. Then they proceeded to charge me for the "free" ca.
May I suggest buying it from Ruralking.com. Their prices are the same, but they don't lie so they end up costing half as much
- February 8, 2012 at 11:35 AM
- Smarteater said...
Again we should always review all products befor buying. I spent 150 sprayed my aluminum roof to deal with a few small leaks. The roof still leaks and I was ripped off. No recourse as they are not in the business to do right but to rip off.
- February 8, 2012 at 2:48 PM
this company is a RIPOFF i called to ask about there isnt enough product in the can and you CANNOT talk to anyone no one not a damn person all you get is recorded messages to buy more , you could buy a yacht for what it would cost to spray the bottom of his little rowboat
- March 4, 2012 at 7:56 AM
- March 4, 2012 at 7:57 AM
So glad i found your site first. I assumed this was a too good to be true commercial, but who knew it was such a rip off. Despicable these companies. Thank god the internet has many uses!
Thank you all for sharing your experiences, you are great!
- March 10, 2012 at 7:01 AM
I personally did NOT buy it on their website BUT I did buy it online from a catalog(Dr. Leonards) at $12.99 the can plus shipping just to try it out. It actually DOES work, well at least for me, it did work. TODAY, I found out that they are selling it in some of the Walgreens Pharmacies at the same price, so now I can get it for the same price with no shipping!! I find the price of $12.99 pretty fair for the 14 oz can. I'm a happy camper. I'm just saying...
- March 10, 2012 at 1:26 PM
I personally did NOT buy it on their website BUT I did buy it online from a catalog(Dr. Leonards) at $12.99 the can plus shipping just to try it out. It actually DOES work, well at least for me, it did work. TODAY, I found out that they are selling it in some of the Walgreens Pharmacies at the same price, so now I can get it for the same price with no shipping!! I find the price of $12.99 pretty fair for the 14 oz can. I'm a happy camper. I'm just saying...
- March 10, 2012 at 1:31 PM
What's at home depot that's similar I need it for some roof repair?
- March 16, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Glad I checked too. I needed this for the roof over my kitchen skylight. I was going to go around every shingle in the whole area, since repairmen can't even get the job done. Problem is that you don't know it until it rains again. I can't fix the plaster inside until I'm sure if the leak is fixed. I really could use some advice on what product to buy. I need to paint it gray after applying. Thanks to anyone who can help!
- March 17, 2012 at 5:26 PM
- RPMSblog said...
Thanks to you, Ray Hanania, for putting up this web post. And many thanks to the many who commented. My impoverished mother was smitten by the T.V. commercial last night. And we have a problem roof. And she thought we should get some.
But Black Knight All Season Roof Repair (brush grade) gets in all the right places for $21 per gallon! Worked last year after 3 years of leaks found the right places and material to patch it.
- May 16, 2012 at 9:09 AM
You can now buy this for $12.99 a can at CVS, Target and Ace Hardware. It worked for me on a rusted utlity sink I sealed up on a selling property.
- May 24, 2012 at 8:46 AM
- Viart said...
I wish I had seen this forum before purchasing this product. The product works well but if anyone can get more than a square foot from a can please tell me how. My cans felt like they were less than half full and when I called the advertised number I was told that it is normal for the can to feel light as the sealant expands as it comes out and the coverage averages out to 16oz of product. I countered with shouldn't I have gotten 16oz as advertised. I was told that I didn't understand marketing. Well all who may read this understand, we may not know marketing but we know deceptive advertising and lowlife companies. Stay away from this product and save yourself a lot of grief and money
Art D.
- July 26, 2012 at 6:54 AM
i purchased it at walmart... coverd and entire speaker box with one can... There are also alot of other people who have tried it and it worked great.. perhaps the ones ordered are smaller?? The one i purchased from walmart says like 20 percent more... It works great though. I needed to coat the outside of my box to make it water proof for my boat.. did the trick.
- July 26, 2012 at 7:05 AM
Same experience as above, I bought mine from Fleet Farm, also a bonus can for $9.99. Allot of product, and it worked. I never buy any of the promo's off TV, I wait for them to show up in the big stores, and you get much better pricing, and zero shipping & handling. It doesn't take long for the items to hit the stores, just wait them out, and turn the tables on who gets screwed over.
- August 3, 2012 at 7:29 AM
Avoid the hassle of on line ordering. Just go to Bed Bath & Beyond and buy it for $12.00 if you need to fix some small leaks.
- August 4, 2012 at 9:19 AM
So what I am hearing is buy the product if you have a small hole because, it will work, it just costs way to much and it makes more sense to buy it locally or buy that stuff from the auto repair store? Actually, virtually everything on an infomercial can be purchased more cheaply locally. If you stop the picture and read each frame, they meet the legal requirements but tough poopies if you have a problem. I always but this stuff from a store that will accept returns. I really appreciate the info - how about a chorus of yeas or nays so I can tell if I am reading this stuff correctly. I have CROC knock-offs and just need to stop a tiny leak since I can't find what I want. Thanks y'all.
- August 11, 2012 at 6:57 AM
Would any of the people posting here recommend it for a cracked toilet tank? Now that I see it's not recommended for sealing something that has pressure, I'm leery of taking a chance. I was planning to attach a tie-down strap to help it to not crack further after sealing as a temporary fix.
- August 17, 2012 at 1:48 AM
The very first time I saw this commercial I said to myself "That's nothing but truck bed liner!" You can find similar products described as that in any automotive supply store. If you're still leery because it doesn't sound like the same thing, check any hardware store for rubber leak sealers. No shipping cost, lower price, and probably larger quantities and much better prices and values.
- September 9, 2012 at 10:05 PM
I was about to order Flex Seal, and thought I would check out reviews before I did.. Glad I waited !! Thanks for your comments !! Saved me money and the hassles !!
- September 13, 2012 at 8:05 AM
Buy spray rubber used to seal under cars. I used Rust Oleum Undercoating.
- September 15, 2012 at 11:36 AM
$12.88 at Walmart for a 14 oz can. Its in the "as seen on tv" section.
- October 31, 2012 at 1:52 PM
flex seal is not rubber.....
- November 11, 2012 at 6:49 AM
I purchased Flex Seal several months ago. To date, I have not received the product, did not receive a refund on my 40+ dollars and the company has not had the courtesy to get back to me after three inquiries. If you go to their website, the order status section is currently not available for internet connection.
I paid my debit care and have very little change of receiving any satisfaction. CUSTOMER SERVICE IS TERRIBLE!!!
- November 15, 2012 at 10:23 AM
- JennJenn said...
I bought a can from Walmart and I sprayed the can in like 4 minutes not 10 seconds and have enough to do my second coating tomorrow
- December 28, 2012 at 9:45 AM
- Parker seals said...
Parker seals are exceptionally effective in making the seal highly efficient. The quality of the seal plays a pivotal role and the manufacturers must take extra care while choosing the raw materials and production techniques.
- January 9, 2013 at 1:22 AM
For those who want a similar product but not the hassles of buying it online through the manufacturer -- You can go to Home Depot online website and they have Rust-oleum Black Leak Seal Liquid Rubber. Read the comments on line for Rust-oleum Leak Seal which is much cheaper than Flex Seal Liquid Rubber.
- January 10, 2013 at 10:57 AM
I bought 1 can at the local hardware store for $14.99. I painted a strip 8" wide by 8' long, twice. And still had at least half of a can remaining.
- January 15, 2013 at 4:46 PM
I feel for you people. Thank you for putting the word out on these A--Holes.
2/28/13 Valley
- February 28, 2013 at 7:12 AM
If you look at the early boat commercial there was a screen door on the top AND bottom of the boat. Did you see a hole cut out in the boat? In the commercial sealing the pickup truck, even if you seal the bottom of the truck, the weight of the motor will cause the front of the truck to sink. These people think we are stupid. You can buy this stuff at walmart and the dollar store for 12.95. NO SHIPPING!!!!!!
- March 12, 2013 at 7:00 AM
Anytime a product comes out I wait to buy it when it comes out in stores. It will be cheaper and you don't pay shipping.
You say it works but is a rip off?
The reason why there is not allot in the can is if they filled it to the top then it wouldn't work. You need air in the can. They now sell it in 14 oz cans.
I do agree however that you do need use two coats instead of one. They shouldn't advertise it like that.
Anyone time u see an infomercial With products like this; take it with a grain of salt.
- April 27, 2013 at 8:33 AM
I was about to place an order & saw the rip-off heading, logged on, glad I did, gracias Ray. Chuck
- May 30, 2013 at 4:30 PM
I tried on basement wall where water was coming in, still have water coming in
- July 31, 2016 at 7:47 AM
Toilet tanks can be bought seperate & are not overly expensive, when is all said & done, if it doesn't work you are out double, the cost of sealant & a new tank. Tanks are porcelain, I'd check into expoxy for porcelain. Far cheaper, especially if it doesn't hold. Some checking could net u a new tank for only a few bucks more than what you'll shell out for enough of this stuff to do the fix. Smart shopping has gotten me whole toilet sets for under 60. Check the clearance areas of home improvement stores, u might surprise yourself.
- August 20, 2016 at 3:38 AM
- Unknown said...
I bought a gallon of flex seal at the hardware store because I had a leaky broken basement Wall. It covered it nicely and I bought the white so it's brighter. It covered the whole Wall and then some. Now the wall has stopped leaking and stopped from chips falling out of the concrete, and it was only 100.00 for the gallon. I was happy. I want to do my whole basement with this.
- April 18, 2017 at 4:49 AM
- Shaw-krow däshsabè said...
Okay...Is it out of the ordinary for a company to mislead people?? Its business flex seal is a great product for smaller projects but for your bigger project i would recommend leak seal flexible rubber. That is much cheaper in bulk and flex seal you have to shake extremely well before each use just like spray paint only flex seal is much thicker than spray pain so you will have a hell of a time getting it to actually work full potential but i do. I get probably 2 and a half minutes per can of use. Its not a research project there weren't years of research put into it its just a simple invention somebody just said hey this liquid rubber, why dont we stuff it in a can and call it flex seal. but anyway if you think its too expensive for what it is then just buy from a cheaper company keep in mind always look around for all alternatives before jumping on a buy can be a brainwashing bitch like advertising reaches so many more people than no advertising, i mean look at apple they suck and rip off everyone else but most people buy apple products anyway. Why is that because they advertise as a family friendly great innovative company HAHa, its just how business works you know. :/
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Fundamental premise: Universal Solvent (referred to as substance W) exerts extremely strong Van Der Waals interactions with just about anything, on the order of hydrogen bonding in strength
- W is chemically inert, it cannot carry any formal charge under any circumstances
- W has poorer interactions with itself and is only liquid at rtp. Freezes a little under 0, boils at very high temperatures (think mineral oil)
Obviously, this breaks physics in a lot of ways but if you think of it as a really big single atom with the above properties, what sort of chemical purposes could you use it for?
Observable Properties:
The first thing that comes to mind is that it is extremely corrosive in pure form (since it dissolves anything) and will behave similar to a soap in that addition of W will allow most liquids to mix.
I'm also thinking that W might dissolve small atoms (metals and ionic salts) faster than longer chains, and polymers might well be able to resist it for a long time. The only things that are completely
immune to dissolution would be covalent single-crystals like diamond. In "looser" crystals with gaps, W might percolate through the gaps quite well too.
On the other hand, while W will eventually saturate given enough solute (depending on how the atomic packing goes, W might be able to absorb ludicruous quantities of solution), multiple solutes would compete on how well they stick to W. Gases might be easily displaced even if they are small as they have high entropy while longer chain polymers might refuse to crystallize out of solution.
How would W be contained? Perhaps saturated with something easily separated (a condensed low temperature alcohol?) in polymeric containers?
A universal solvent that is chemically inert and can dissolve high quantities of anything might make for a good reaction medium. You could mix solids and liquids inside W much better than trying to grind out a lot of surface area on the solids. Perhaps some reactions might even change activation energy requirements, iron oxide reduction to iron with carbon monoxide might not require as much heat?
W might also be useful in chromatography as a mobile phase, although it might also destroy stationary phases by dissolving them too.
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How would W be contained? Perhaps saturated with something easily separated (a condensed low temperature alcohol?) in polymeric containers?
Well, you did say that covalent single crystals are the only known category of materials totally immune to dissolution, so "growing" crystal containers out of such material would work--e.g. a vapor-deposited coating of synthetic diamond on your container.
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- No seconding or vehicles shall be allowed on the route. Sufficient refreshment stations will be provided.
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- It is the responsibility of each participant to ensure that he/she is medically fit and healthy to participate in the event.
- The Organising Committee reserves the right to accept or reject any entry.
- Participants of 12 years and younger must be accompanied by an adult.
- Prams and strollers are permitted for the 2.1 km and 5.6 km events only, but participation is at own risk. These participants must assemble at the rear of the field and give way to runners at all times.
- Pets are not permitted.
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Too sexy. That's Justin Bieber's video for 'All That Matters.' The sexiness is mostly rooted in the power of suggestion, but the suggestion is not subtle. There's lots of sucking face and touching. Mmm hmm.
Okay, so maybe it's not suggestive and subtle. There is a level of physicality that is in your face but it's not X-rated, so relax, ladies and parents of Beliebers.
A blonde babe is perched on a motorcycle, leaning up against a wall, bumping and grinding against The Biebs and nibbling on his ear. He also goes shirtless and does a little pump-fake, too. Watch the video and you'll recognize exactly what part we are talking about. Hint: It happens at the 1:59 mark. Prepare to swoon.
We almost can't handle how steamy this clip is. It ends with a passionate smooch, but we love the scene a few seconds prior where The Biebs backs away from the camera with a look of anguish in his eyes. Sigh.
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Gay travel in Denmark
Denmark is an open and tolerant country. As a gay and lesbian traveller, you will experience a rich array of gay cafés and clubs (especially in Copenhagen and larger towns), a relaxed and friendly population and a wide variety of gay-friendly activities and experiences at your disposal.
Home dinners
Home dinners are a unique way to meet gay Danes. Meet Gay Copenhagen is not a dating agency, but an organisation that encourages intercultural exchange and provides opportunities for gay visitors to eat at home with Danish hosts.
Further reading
The website of the Danish National Organisation for Gay Men, Lesbians, Bisexuals and Transgendered persons is a great starting point for planning your trip and for finding gay accommodation in Denmark.


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Hayden — After a failed vote Thursday night to draft a law to ban future pot shops in Hayden, town officials said they want to hear more input from residents before making any decisions.
The vote to ban the retail, manufacturing and cultivation of marijuana failed, 3-2, during the Hayden Town Council meeting, with council members Lorraine Johnson and Dallas Robinson supportive of drafting a law to ban marijuana businesses. Council members Tim Redmond, Bill Hayden and Jim Folley were not supportive of the ban.
The vote came after a request from Town Manager David Torgler for direction on how to proceed with the marijuana issue. He said there are several options.
"You could ban it for one year to see how it's going to roll out if you wanted to," Torgler told the council.
With the passage of Amendment 64 in November, municipalities in Colorado face a deadline to put in place their own rules regarding the sale of marijuana for recreational use. Municipalities also can choose to ban anything to do with the retail, manufacturing and cultivation of marijuana.
Some members of the council wanted to wait to see what other municipalities decide to do and what the impacts of recreational marijuana will be.
"Let's face it," Redmond said. "This whole thing has been a cluster. … And it's going to continue to be cluster until we see what's happening."
Some council members are intrigued by the potential benefits of marijuana business, such as tax revenues, and are concerned about possibly missing out.
"We need to look at it as business as well as a moral issue," Folley said. "If we wait … is that opportunity gone?"
The council members who voted against drafting an ordinance to ban the marijuana business ventures expressed concern that considering an ordinance could keep some residents from expressing their opinion on the issue.
"I'd like to see both sides come as opposed to one side," Folley said.
Council tabled the issue and will discuss it again during its Aug. 1 meeting. Until then, council members are anxious to hear from their constituents.
About 10 members of the public attended the discussion.
Vance Lowe, who lives just north of Hayden, told the council that he supported allowing a retail shop and that the council should not put off the issue.
"I believe that if we put a stop to anyone doing that, we're going to be overlooked because in a year, those guys that are ambitious are going to be somewhere else," Lowe said. "They want to get on board now. They don't want to get on later."
Hayden resident Gabriel MacMonagle read a letter to the residents attending the meeting. The letter had been distributed to the council members and was from developers Jon Peddie and Paul Franklin. In about 2007, they spent nearly $2 million developing the Valley View Business Park on the east side of Hayden, which still is mostly vacant lots.
The developers wrote that they wanted town officials to consider allowing marijuana to be grown discreetly in Hayden.
"We have had a number of interested parties look at the potential to build a building in the industrial park to grow marijuana," the developers wrote.
A few residents also spoke against allowing marijuana businesses.
Resident Brian Hoza said he thought the costs outweighed the benefits.
"Personally and as a parent, I'm totally against us going into this territory," he said.
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Didn't we settle this question 147 years ago?
That was when we had this thing called the Civil War. That was when, on April 9, 1865, the Confederate Army surrendered. That was when the Southern states were told, no, they couldn't form their own country.
But lately, it seems that all it took was the re-election of a black president to make a lot of white people set history aside, as well as practicality and common sense.
Making the rounds now are petitions from disgruntled people in 30 states asking for permission to secede from the United States and form their own separate countries. So far, the petitions have come from Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and the slave states of the Old Confederacy, plus Arizona, and even blue states like California and New York.
Most of the petitions, however, have only a few thousand signatures. The biggest leader here, though, is Texas; nearly 70,000 people had signed at last count.
Understand that these 70,000 signatures – if they do indeed represent real people – only comprise .0027 of Texas' population.
Understand that the only reason that petition will be reviewed is because it meets the 25,000 signature threshold that President Obama's administration requires.
But I can save the Texas neo-secessionists some time right here. The answer is going to be no.
First of all, the Presidential Proclamation that declared peace between the United States and Texas in 1866 makes it clear that no state has the right to leave the Union.
Secondly, the fact that some people believe that all they need do is collect some signatures on a petition to get their way not only reflects their simple-mindedness, but their oversized expectations of white privilege.
It's those expectations that make some folks believe that they can change the rules of the game whenever the game doesn't go their way.
Never mind that we had a national election in which Obama not only won the Electoral College, but 51 percent of the popular vote as well.
Never mind that they didn't talk secession when their favorite son, George W. Bush, ran up the nation's credit card with two unfunded wars and an unpaid-for tax cut.
Never mind that, when the Bush administration initiated the Patriot Act and started the Transportation Security Administration, chances are most of these neo-secessionists saw it as protection from terrorists and not an assault on their liberties.
Yet they believe they're entitled to their selective amnesia and to the right to remake reality in a way that preserves their advantage.
In a way, they come by it honestly.
Republican lawmakers in a number of states tried to halt the changing demographic reality by passing voter identification laws and by restricting the days that people could vote early.
That move, however, backfired. Black and Latino voters turned out in droves for Obama.
Then there was Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney, whose campaign, for weeks, clung to polls that told him that he was winning, and that all the rest of the polls didn't reflect reality.
As it turned out, the real polls indeed reflected reality – a multicultural reality that Romney didn't reckon with, and one that the neo-secessionists are refusing to come to grips with.
So now, they believe they can create a new reality – one that involves fighting the Civil War all over again.
It's a delusion that even now embarrasses Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who first floated the idea back in 2009 as the Tea Party came into being. He had to make a statement saying that Texas would not be leaving the union.
It's a delusion that ignores global realities, because being your own country means more than simply having a balanced budget and guns. It means being able to survive in a world economy, which not only means having resources, but being able to relate to different people in different cultures.
The fact that some people want their states to secede because Obama won means they automatically fail that test.
These petitions aren't going to go anywhere. Yet on one level, they're worrisome. They're worrisome because that kind of extremism can lead to other, more dangerous forms of extremism.
Of course, the people who are so upset with Obama's win have options. They can immigrate to another country. Or they can wait four years and hope that their guy wins the Oval Office – which is what most sane people tend to do.
But what they can't do is pack up and take their state with them. No matter how much their notions of white privilege tells them that they can.
Tonyaa Weathersbee is an award-winning columnist who is based in Jacksonville, Fla. Follow her at tonyaajw@twitter. Or visit her webpage and blog, "Tonyaa's Take," at www.tonyaajweathersbee.com.
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Folks,,It has to be a shocking notion that 620,000 Americans lost their lives in the fight to keep the United States whole.Those plantation owners wanted to keep themselves wallowing in luxury(filthy rich) at the expense of our ancestors. So,the Big Dog Fight begins.It was a bloody mess before it ended.620,000 were. Slaughtered,millions were wounded.And if it were not for that fact that the filthy rich wanted to get filthier rich.Who knows how many decades more, our folks ,would have endured the injustice..Only God knows..
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Lecture: Framing the Landscape with Logan Sisley
This lecture will examine the 'Natural Masterpiece' project in which large picture frames were installed in Auckland Regional Parks in New Zealand. They will be discussed in the reference to the histories of landscape painting, tourism and photography. Other projects in which artists and architects have installed large-scale frames in English and German landscape settings will also be considered.
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Wiping a disk is done by writing new data over every single bit.
- 1 Common use cases
- 2 Select a data source for overwriting
- 3 Select a program
- 4 Select a target
- 5 Block size
- 6 Overwrite the disk
- 7 Data remanence
- 8 See also
Common use cases
Wipe all data left on the device
There may be (possibly unencrypted) data left on the device and you want to protect against simple Forensic Investigation that would be possible with for example File Recovery Software.
If you are not going to set up block device encryption but just want to roughly wipe everything from the disk you could consider using /dev/zero or simple patterns instead of a cryptographically strong random number generator. (Referred to as RNG in this article from now on.) This allows to wipe big disks with maximum performance.
It is meant to provide a level of data erasure not allowing recovery with normal system functions and hardware interfaces like standard ATA/SCSI commands. Any File Recovery Software mentioned above then would need to be specialized on proprietary storage-hardware features.
Without at least undocumented drive commands or fiddling about the device's controller or firmware to make them read out for example reallocated sectors (bad blocks that S.M.A.R.T. retired from use) in case of a HDD no data can get recreated.
Read the section on the possibility of #Data remanence if you want to take wiping serious. This is exceedingly important for all Flash storage devices.
Preparations for block device encryption
If you want to prepare your drive to securely set up Block device encryption inside the wiped area afterwards you really should use random data.
Select a data source for overwriting
As just said If you want to wipe sensitive data you can use anything matching your needs.
If you want to setup block device encryption afterwards you should always wipe at least with Pseudorandom data.
For Data that is not truely random your disk's writing speed should be the only limiting factor. If you need random data performance may extremely depend on what you choose as source of entropy.
Unrandom data
Pattern write test
badblocks command overwrites the drive at a much faster rate by generating data that is not truly random.
See also #Badblocks.
Random data
Kernel built-in RNG
Template:Moveto The Kernel built-in RNG /dev/random provides you the same quality random data you would use for keygeneration, but can be nearly impractical to use at least for wiping current HDD capacitys. What makes disk wiping take so long with is to wait for it to gather enough true entropy. In an entropy starved situation (e.g. remote server) this might never end while doing search operations on large directories or moving the mouse in X can slowly refill the entropy pool.
You can always compare
/proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail against
/proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize to keep an eye on your entropy pool.
Pseudorandom Data
A Good Compromise between Performance and Security might be the use of a pseudorandom number generator (like Frandom) or a cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generator like Yarrow (FreeBSD/OS-X) or Fortuna (the intended successor of Yarrow)
There are three sources of random data commonly used for securely overwriting hard disk partitions;
/dev/urandom, badblocks, and shred.
dd and /dev/urandom
#dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/<drive> bs=4096
/dev/<drive> is the drive to be encrypted.
/dev/urandom will take a long time to completely overwrite a drive with "random" data. In the strictest sense,
/dev/urandom is less random than
/dev/random; however,
/dev/random uses the kernel entropy pool and will halt overwriting until more input entropy once this pool has been exhausted. This makes the use of
/dev/random for overwriting hard disks impractical.
Select a program
/dev/<drive> is the drive to be encrypted.
Official documentation for dd and shred is linked to under #See also.
Checking progress of dd while running
By default, there is no output of dd until the task has finished. With kill and the "USR1"-Signal you can force status output without actually killing the program. Open up a 2nd root terminal and issue the following command:
# killall -USR1 dd
# kill -USR1 <PID_OF_dd_COMMAND>
For example:
# kill -USR1 $(pidof dd)
This causes the terminal in which dd is running to output the progress at the time the command was run. For example:
605+0 records in 605+0 records out 634388480 bytes (634 MB) copied, 8.17097 s, 77.6 MB/s
Dd spin-offs
Other dd alike programs feature periodical status output like i.e. a simple progress bar.
dcfldd is an enhanced version of dd with features useful for forensics and security. It accepts most of dd's parameters and includes status output. The last stable version of dcfldd was released on December 19, 2006.[1]
GNU ddrescue is a data recovery tool. It's capable of ignoring read errors what is a useless feature for disk wiping in almost any case. GNU ddrescue Manual
Shred uses three passes, writing pseudo-random data to the harddrive each pass. This can be reduced or increased.
# shred -v /dev/<drive>
This invokes shred with default settings, displaying the progress to stdout.
# shred --verbose --random-source=/dev/urandom -n1 /dev/<drive>
Invokes shred telling it to only do one pass, with entropy from /dev/urandom.
Badblocks is in e2fsprogs
For letting badblocks perform a disk wipe a destructive read-write test has to be done.
# badblocks -c 10240 -wsv /dev/<drive>
Badblocks can be made to write "random patterns" with the
-t option.
# badblocks -wsvt random /dev/<drive>
Badblocks can run a settable number of consecutive passes with the
-p option. Default is one pass.
# badblocks -wsvp <number> /dev/<drive>
This makes it more likely to find all weak blocks. As a side effect this could help in limiting #Data_remanence to very rare cases for most storage devices.
Select a target
Use fdisk to locate all read/write devices the user has read acess to.
Check the output for lines that start with devices such as
This is an example for a HDD formatted to boot a linux system:
# fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes, 488397168 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00ff784a Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 2048 206847 102400 83 Linux /dev/sda2 206848 488397167 244095160 83 Linux
Or the Arch Install Medium written to a 4GB USB thumb drive:
# fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sdb: 4075 MB, 4075290624 bytes, 7959552 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x526e236e Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 0 802815 401408 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS
Block size
If you have a Advanced Format hard drive it is recommended that you specify a block size larger than the default 512 bytes. To speed up the overwriting process choose a block size matching your drive's physical geometry by appending the block size option to the dd command (i.e.
To quickly find the block size of the device issue the following command:
# dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdX | grep 'Block size:'
For more information read How to Find the Block Size on The Linux Information Project and the Block size section in the core GNU utilites manual.
Overwrite the disk
of=... option points to the target drive and not to a system disk.
Zero-fill the disk by writing a zero byte to every addressable location on the disk using the /dev/zero stream.
# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=4096
or the /dev/random stream:
# dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdX bs=4096
The process is finished when dd reports,
No space left on device:
dd: writing to '/dev/sdb': No space left on device 7959553+0 records in 7959552+0 records out 4075290624 bytes (4.1 GB) copied, 1247.7 s, 3.3 MB/s
Data remanence
Template:Wikipedia The residual representation of data may remain even after attempts have been made to remove or erase the data.
Residual data may be removed by writing random data to the disk or with more than one iteration. However, more than one iteration may not significantly decrease the ability to reconstruct the data of hard disk drives. For more information see Secure deletion: a single overwrite will do it or Overwriting Hard Drive Data: The Great Wiping Controversy.
If the data can be located on the disk and you can confirm that it has never been copied anywhere else, a random number generator provides a quick and thorough alternative.
Residual magnetism
Wiped hard disk drives and other magnetic storage can get disassembled in a cleanroom and then analyzed with equipment like a magnetic force microscope. This may allow the overwritten data to be reconstructed by analyzing the measured residual magnetics.
This method of data recovery for current HDD's is largely theoretical and would require substantial financial resources. Nevertheless degaussing is still practiced.
Old magnetic storage
Securely wiping old magnetic storage (e.g. floppy disks, magnetic tape) is much harder due to much lower memory storage density. Many iterations with random data might be needed to wipe any sensitive data. To ensure that data has been completely erased most resources advise physical destruction.
Flash memory
Like older magnetic storage, flash memory can be difficult to wipe because of wear leveling and transparent compression. For more information see Reliably Erasing Data From Flash-Based Solid State Drives.
Filesystem, operating system, programs
The operating system, executed programs or journaling file systems may copy your unencrypted data throughout the block device. However, this should only be relevant in conjunction with one of the above, because you are writing to plain disks.
See also
- GNU Coreutils Manpage on Basic operations. Official documentation for dd and shred.
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