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Wandering Digg Member: "That's bullshit."
Tuesday, August 25, 2009
Comic 628: I Predict This Comic Sucks -- I Was Right! Love Me.
Wandering Digg Member: "That's bullshit."
91 comments:
- AnonymousAugust 25, 2009 at 9:56 PM
> If you asked 100 people to pick a random number between 1 and 100, your success rate of guessing (according to basic statistics) wouldn't be anywhere near 1%.ReplyDelete
Umm... yeah it would. And despite myself, I actually smiled at this comic. The dialog was stilted, but I liked the idea more than most these days, and the alt text was non-terrible for a change. Keep it up Randall. Sort of.
I'm reminded of a Scott Adams joke in The Joy of Work. Let me find a quote...ReplyDelete
"It's easy to be psychic. Start with easy things. When you meet a new guy, glance at his company ID badge and say, 'You look like a Dave. Am I right?' Eighty percent of the people you try this on will realize you're looking at the ID and laugh at your lame joke, thus thinking you are highly intelligent because you use humor. The other 20 percent will offer to shave their heads and give you all of their worldly possessions. Remember, we're talking about a general population where a third of the people are planning their lives around the zodiac. It won't take many demonstrations of supernatural talent before you're running your own cult."
Scott Adams, The Joy of Work, 1998.
- AnonymousAugust 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Randall suggests that "It may only work 1% of the time," when it may also work 0% of the time. You're never "due for a win" in a probability game -- your chances always reset with the next try.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 25, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Last anonymous poster was an idiot. Never said "once in a hundred times" he said 1%.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 25, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Same anonymous poster as immediately above. Isn't this a comic a perfect set up for a "Get out of my head Randall"?ReplyDelete
Aaaaaaaargh math wrongness on xkcdsucks.ReplyDelete
100 people? Chances are pretty good he'll hit 1%. Chances are better he won't, but the single most likely result is 1%. The sample space is too small.
If you get up to enough people (tens of thousands of samples), then yes, you'll be right approximately 1% of the time.
I'm incredibly curious as to how Thomas' "basic statistics" that suggest that randomly picking 1 value from 100, of which 1 is correct, has anything other than a 1% success rate in the long run.
Okay, maybe people choose lucky numbers like 7, or their age, or 1 or 100, or something. That's mitigated by the fact that it is *you* who are choosing, so as long as your choiced are truly random (or close enough), it's 1%.
Are you under the mis-impression that it matters what the other person actually chooses and that it's therefore 0.01% or something?
- AnonymousAugust 25, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Surely there will be a psychological bias towards some numbers... Personally, I feel biased towards even numbers. and if Randal knew that his chances would possibly be slightly closer to 2% almost exactly.ReplyDelete
seriously though, this is one of the better ones in a long while.
@Thomas, I assume that they are already on a date. As opposed to his ruse convincing her to go to a movie.
According to a survey I read once, 17 is the number people will choose more often than any other.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 25, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Anon 10:56 PM agian.ReplyDelete
hurrr, just read the alt-text. there goes half my post.
Ratena, cause i have no eyes to read that shit before i post
- AnonymousAugust 25, 2009 at 11:08 PM
And he mentioned those biases in the alt text. And the author here mentioned the pureness of the math, not the psychology.ReplyDelete
Oh, and by the use of the definite article ("the movie") you can tell that their movie date was already arranged. This mind game has nothing to do with it.
Honestly I kinda liked this one and was looking forward to someone teaching me to hate it. I was disappointed.
This was the best XKCD in a while. Sure, the joke would have worked better if the characters had actual faces, and I'm not sure if the timing in the dialogue works optimally, but come on, the joke is good, he doesn't ruin it, and the way the reader is tricked into believing that he's a psychic all the way until reading the caption is a brilliant trick.ReplyDelete
And yes, they clearly already know each other and have already planned to go to the movie. The movie is just mentioned as a "everyday experiences are more important than me being phychic" thing. Which is also pretty cool; how he not only convinces her that he's psychic, but also that it's not a big deal.
I liked this one.
wow. this is some epic xkcdsucks fail right here.ReplyDelete
I really thought that this idea wasn't that clever (I think the Adams bit is a much better exploration of "using mundane, random trivia to play the odds and maybe convince some gullible people that you're psychic") and the unrelentingly horrible dialogue kills it for me.ReplyDelete
Also this isn't the first time Randy's used the premise of "if the odds are right then HILARIOUS THINGS HAPPEN."ReplyDelete
The girl is obviously Megan and this comic depicts one of Randy's attempts to date her (except he didn't guess the number IRL).ReplyDelete
Was there an earlier version of this comic where Randall wrote, "This only works on every 1 out of 100 people" instead of "This only works 1% of the time"? Because if there is, your argument about the math would make perfect sense. If not, then it's really weak.ReplyDelete
Sure, a person wouldn't be extraordinarily likely to hit exactly 1% after exactly 100 trials, but where are you getting the "if you asked 100 people" line of reasoning, anyhow? The overall success rate of this would indeed eventually approach 1%, and the chances of success on any individual trial would be 1%. Nitpicking about expected outcomes after 100 trials is really beside the point.
This comment has been removed by the author.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 12:38 AM
the chances for not having any succes with this with 100 tries are (0.99)^100 = 0.36603) its 13th grade math (in germany anyway)ReplyDelete
Its the Bernoulli Formula (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli_Process) thus having at least 1 success would be (1-0,99^100 = 0,63397)
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 12:43 AM
same anon as aboveReplyDelete
forget the bernoulli formula its basic probability. the chance for not being right are 0.99 the chances for hittin this chance 100 times in a row are 0.99^100 of course the more you try the more probable (is this proper english?) it willl become to actually have AT LEAST one success.
thx for reading
This would have made a better SMBC.ReplyDelete
- Eternal DensityAugust 26, 2009 at 12:44 AM
@Anonymous who linked to the Bernoulli ProcessReplyDelete
Could you please stick to a single decimal separator? Thanks.
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 12:47 AM
I'm anon 12:38 and 12:43ReplyDelete
sry tried the englsih/american way but then forgot about it i'll stick with the . from now on.
what is SMBC?
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 12:52 AM
SUPER MARIO BROTHERS CRAWL!ReplyDelete
I seem to recall there being some psychological experiment done some a while back, where lots of people (I can't say how many exactly - hundreds maybe) were asked to think of a number between 1 and 50 inclusive. Rather than each number receiving approximately 2% of the votes, the runaway winner was 37, interestingly.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 1:39 AM
God... all the commenters here are so awful at statistics it makes my head hurt.ReplyDelete
Randall is right, it works 1% of the time. Pick a number between 1 to 100. There is a 1 out of 100 chance that if I now pick a number it will be the same number.
Thomas is right as well, although he cheats by picking a far too small sample size for analysing this statistic. In actual fact, if you play this trick on 100 people you have a 63.4% chance of succeeding at least once:
you have 100 samples, each with a 1% chance at success. The only situation in which you don't succeed at least once is if you fail 100 times. Each time has a 99% chance at failing. Your chance at success is therefore 1 - .99^100 = 0.634
Okay... I just scrolled up and saw some other people got it right. However, the first 2 pages or so of comments are woefully atrocious at statistics. Especially for people who pretend to understand xkcd.
On topic: the comic wasn't awful. I agree with Thomas that it was rather childish and it also suffered from xkcd's malady: WHERE IS THE FUCKING JOKE?!
However, compared to stick figure cunnilingus, this was a paragon of awesomeness.
Captcha: rechi... sounds like retched, like most of your statistics and some xkcd comics.
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 2:50 AM
bad comic, really, really, really, really, really fucking bad xkcd sucks post. two paragraphs, complaining about problems that aren't there. for me, the crappy math understanding was secondary to him barely understanding the comic.ReplyDelete
makes me wonder what Carls screening criteria are, "can type", "not me", "sent post in"
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 3:32 AM
How the hell did Thomas turn "Let's get to the movie" into "Do you want to see a movie with me" or a similar proposition? It's quite clear that the movie is pre-arranged and he's now using it as a convenient subject change to stop the girl from further querying his psychic abilities.ReplyDelete
xkcdsucks is getting increasingly suckier.
The criticism was worse than the comic today. The comic itself was just extremely bland, WAY too Gary Stu-ish to me and the dialogue only made things worse.ReplyDelete
And I'm seriously afraid of going into the discussion thread for that one. I won't be able to stand the incessant "ooooh I did this once and it was AWESOME".
- Person #1August 26, 2009 at 4:35 AM
Seen this joke before. I couldn't help but smile while reading the comic. Not because it was funny, but because after reading "I'm psychic" I knew this would be good. Good as in bad.ReplyDelete
I was not disappointed.
- Person #1August 26, 2009 at 4:40 AM
Oh and btw, did you guys know that 7 is the randomest number? They asked a bunch of people for a number between 1 and 20, and 7 was picked the most. followed by 17. The problem here is that humans just aren't really random (whether or not that study I mentioned is bullshit is irrelevant), but there are bound to be numbers that get picked more often, take 13 for example. it's associated with bad luck.ReplyDelete
But this is all irrelevant to the comic's "humor" anyway, so I don't think it's actually worth discussing.
As for the review, I liked the dialoge you made. good stuff.
xkcdsucks fails at basic math. But that aside, where did this gem come from:ReplyDelete
"But this is a lousy prank that would still get you beaten up on the blacktop."
Um, what? Asking someone to guess a number would get you beaten up at school? If you guess right or wrong? And what school did you go to?
The important thing is that this girl is willing to believe an incredible claim after only one experiment (already biased by the "people don't pick truly random numbers" problem). More trials would have easily exposed any subterfuge - yet she demands none!ReplyDelete
THEREFORE, I contend, the hidden joke of this comic is that math is great and everybody who doesn't math is a fool.
(also, I side that this situation will work less than 1% of the time, because people will ascribe your success to luck when you do get it right. jealous fools!)
Emmer, I think the argument would be that the reason why he sidetracked her with "I try not to let it affect my life too much" is EXACTLY so she wouldn't demand a second attempt. But then, if this girl is the kind of "nerdy and smart" girl xkcd loves so much to display, she's probably clear up the whole matter on her own in less than 5 seconds; otherwise, she's quite an idiot.ReplyDelete
I think the comic is WAY too wishful-thinking to make a relatable experience. Of course the comic doesn't need to be truly believable and realistic, but there's a limit to how much humour like this can bend reality to make a joke work. I think it just went too far, and ended being plainly annoying and silly.
Also, to my relief, the responses on the discussion thread are a tad more sober than I initially expected.
First off, you know what guys? I've been bringing on the h8 with you comic after comic here for a while now, without lapse. But today? Ain't your lucky day, cuz I liked this one! It made me smile, there was no Megan, no GOOMH, no retarded 4chan memes, no cunnilingus, no poorly-executed smarter-than-thou arrogant smugness with high school math tricks... It was more funny than it was full of itself: And I think being too full of yourself is what does the most damage to humor.ReplyDelete
It wasn't great, but it was definitely a bad good xkcd, so I don't mind this comic one bit. Good job Randall. Keep it up and maybe this place won't be so popular.
As for the post... Eh, thomas sounds like he'd write up a great one if the comic actually did suck. Unfortunately for him, he seems to have drawn the short straw, so I wouldn't blame him for, ahem, grasping at straws.
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 6:42 AM
xkcdsuckssucks, or can we just say thomassucks? We need a category for cases of xkcdsuckssucksReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 7:04 AM
See, this is why this blog usually sucks. Nearly 25% of it was devoted to Carl not realizing that "the" movie was already set. It is clear to anyone who ponders it more than a second that the guy didn't trick the girl so that she'd go to a movie with him. He was just fucking with her before they went to a planned movie. It's obvious, yet we have Carl going off on a psychology rant. Hell, he even caps off his review with a point made from his mistaken understanding. This is not the first time Carl has simply failed to understand what is going on in a fairly simple comic.ReplyDelete
Carl has serious interpretation problems.
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 7:09 AM
Anon 7:04 hereReplyDelete
Oops, didn't see that Thomas did this one. It is usually stated above when it isn't Carl posting.
Sorry, Carl, though you do this often*, Thomas fucked this one up.
* - thought now I suppose I need to go back through and make sure it wasn't Thomas making all the elementary mistakes. Perhaps they are both idiots.
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 7:24 AM
I didn't want to be dissident or anything, but could it be that "let's get to the movie" is the guy "looking into the future" and predicting that they're going to a movie?ReplyDelete
The girl, already hoodwinked, goes along with it thinking that she's already agreed ... :)
You have a chance here Carl - every time people disagree with you, go back and change the byline to Thomas.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 8:07 AM
Thomas = Carl?ReplyDelete
Very clever, Crandalliam Monthomasyroe Hughes.
"I didn't want to be dissident or anything, but could it be that "let's get to the movie" is the guy "looking into the future" and predicting that they're going to a movie?"ReplyDelete
Makes sense.
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 8:23 AM
I find it funny how the xkcdsucks comment on the comic got more negative feedback than the actual comic.ReplyDelete
It's actually a pretty funny comic. I think I may try something like this. Maybe do something that has a better than 1% chance of success. Like guessing a playing card. The most often picked card is the Ace of Spades. Also, I heard that if you specifically say not to pick the ace of spades then they instinctively choose something completely different from the ace of spades (for woman, the most commonly picked was the Queen of Hearts).
Really, not a bad comic.
Also, @Anomynous 8:07; But that would make this have a much less than 1% chance of working (if you including guessing that they want to see a movie as part of trick).
sometimes, when I am feeling like the totally introverted nerd that I am, I read xkcd and immediately feel better about myselfReplyDelete
holy fuck randal is turning into a sociopath
Was I the only one that liked the review?ReplyDelete
Although I'm not sure what Thomas's problem wiht the math was, I thought the review was funny and mostlyl fair.
My first thought when I read this was "pictoblog" followed by "is this how randy gets dates?"
And the joke- THE JOKE - "Girl was impressed by guy pretending to be psychic" What the hell.
Maybe as a throwaway joke on Friends, but how in the hell could you try to pass this off as a real punchline?
no poorly-executed smarter-than-thou arrogant smugness with high school math tricksReplyDelete
isn't that the whole premise of today's xkcd?
I'd hardly call this one smug.ReplyDelete
While not fantastic, this is the least offensive xkcd in awhile.
Well, it basically seems to be saying that people other than Randall are so retarded that they'll believe the one-in-a-hundred random number guess as instantaneous proof of being psychic.ReplyDelete
- Person #1August 26, 2009 at 10:26 AM
lol jso. Not a sociopath. Just an attention whoreReplyDelete
I don't really fault Thomas here. When xkcd isn't actually retarded/disgusting, it's just bland and humorless. I mean, does anyone actually think this is funny? There's really nothing to say here. It'll still make the front page of digg/etc, but it's hard to write articulately about how goddamn boring a joke is.ReplyDelete
Yeah, this is pretty much a shining example of "real people don't act like this!"ReplyDelete
The average person's reaction to having their number guessed is not going to be "OMG YOU'RE PSYCHIC," it's going to be "Ha! Lucky guess. Do it again." This trick isn't going to work unless you're dealing with someone pathologically gullible or 5 years old.
Don't get me wrong-- it's perfectly fine to have someone have an unlikely reaction if that's part of the joke. But, in this instance, I don't think it is. The joke is supposed to be that 1% of the time you'll guess the right number and the result is someone will think you're psychic. It doesn't work if it's "1% of the time you'll guess the right number and, if by some twist of fate you're talking to a total idiot, they MIGHT think you're psychic," which is what is actually presented.
There are a lot of total idiots.ReplyDelete
Viewing on high quality is kind of important for this one.
aloria: I think that's the point of him dismissing it afterward. At that point, he can just say, "No, forget I said anything" and not have to deal with the problem again.ReplyDelete
Will it drive the other person mad? Probably, but that's part of the fun.
I stand by my "this would make a better SMBC" comment earlier.
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM
You didn't have to type out all the maths stuff. I would've settled for just some big black letters saying "YOU FORGOT TO MAKE A JOKE AGAIN RANDALL"ReplyDelete
This comic is stupid.ReplyDelete
The whole premise is that this situation could play out in real life, but the person you would ask would of course not behave as pictured.
I don't think that's necessarily the case: xkcd was never too reliant on being absolutely accurate. The problem I see here is that the events on the strip are WAY TOO detached from reality in order for one to picture it in his head. It's really just narcissistic wishful-thinking for the sake of cheap humour.ReplyDelete
Fernie: Exactly. Even if you pulled the whole mysterious "I don't want to talk about it anymore" thing, I doubt even the biggest John Edwards fan would act all dumbfounded like this girl is portrayed. A normal person would either keep pushing the subject or dismiss the dude as acting like a toolbag.ReplyDelete
Oh, and I think you hit the nail on the head for most of xkcd with "It's really just narcissistic wishful-thinking for the sake of cheap humour."ReplyDelete
xkcd is how Randall wishes people would act towards/react to him. It's presented as "it's funny because people really do this stuff," but no. They don't, except in his little fantasy bubble.
- AnonymousAugust 26, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Anyone notice that the latest Dinosaur comics is also about predicting stuff randomly?ReplyDelete
And that it is much more funny?
- AnonymousAugust 27, 2009 at 3:40 AM
Nobody yet noticed how this comic is almost straight ripped out from the pickup artists? They play these kinds of mindgames on people and one of them is to get the girl to think of a number between 1 and 10. Trick is that people most often pick number 7, so you just guess 7 and if it didn't work you just dismiss it. Changing 1-10 to 1-100 just makes it less likely to happen, but it doesn't change the underlaying idea. Point is, this "joke" has already been done in real life by people for ages and it has really 0 humor in it as it is.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 27, 2009 at 4:24 AM
Incidentally, I was writing a story about a girl who can read minds just recently.ReplyDelete
Please never let thomas write a post again.
- AnonymousAugust 27, 2009 at 6:17 AM
This is not as good as classic xkcd, but was pretty funny.ReplyDelete
I think a lot of the comments here show that while xkcdsucks started out pointing real issues in xkcd, the people here have gotten as bad as the xkcd fanatics, looking for anything to find fault with. I mean, common, the situation is not realistic? Thats your big complaint about a joke? Ooh, normal people would have asked for more evidence!
Compared to the criticisms in the past, these are small points, so small in fact as to be irrelevant.
I guess I should point out that I'm only talking about some of the comments. Some people gave this comic its due credit.
But it's not a joke. A joke is funny. This is not funny. It's banal.ReplyDelete
Anon 4:24: thomas will be doing the next comic as well.ReplyDelete
"I mean, common, the situation is not realistic?"ReplyDelete
A month ago this comment would resonate in me. The problem here is a lot more subtle: I think, depending on the kind of humour, there's a limit to how much you can push the reader's suspension of disbelief before the whole joke fails. Unless you can prove me wrong, I don't think Randall was going for Airplane! style absurdity, in which lack of realism is fully embraced and WORKS. Randall here is going for something that the reader can imagine happening -- unlikely, perhaps, but plausible. That whole exchage simply is NOT plausible. That's why the strip failed to be funny to me and came across as plain ego-stroking dickery. This is different from the "I know you're listening", which was quirky for the sake of quirkiness: this is a Gary Stu-ish attempt at being "cool".
- Person #1August 27, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Hey guys we should totally craft the unfunniest thing we can think of while simultaneously imitating randy's style, then hack the xkcd server and put it up as a regular comic, and see what the forumites and digg have to say.ReplyDelete
no need for that, personReplyDelete
"omg randall get out of my head"
"funniest comic I have ever seen"
- metalhannesAugust 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM
BTW I don't think itgoes against 1 if we graph a function that would make it 1% t would look likeReplyDelete
P(n)=(n n/100) * (1/100)^(n/100) * (99/100)^(99*n/100)
right?(If we regasrd it as a bernoulli-experiment)
because k=n/100 if we want exactly 1% success out of our tries. now the p^k * (1-p^)^(n-k) would just go straight towards 0 and (n k) doesn't grow fast enough to prevent this. Is this right??
Please answer I am really curious if my thoughts are right :D
Unfunniest thing I can think of, hmmmReplyDelete
Three panels of a stick figure floating above, er, I mean sitting in, a chair.
Caption: "My hobby: watching paint dry"
Alt-text: "Oil-based paints tend to dry slower and therefore provide more hours of entertainment."
aloria: is it wrong that I laughed at the alt-text?ReplyDelete
At any rate I'm sure the folks at xkcdcouldbebetter will be RIGHT ON IT
Sam: No, everything I say is a laugh riot. I can't help myself.ReplyDelete
:C http://explainxkcd.com/ReplyDelete
captcha: indish
I really wish today's comic had been better-executed. I think that if he'd had a better understanding of furries, fursuiting, conventions, and jobs, and if he had taken the time to explore the concept further instead of just doing the bare minimum to establish that the concept passed through his head, then this could've been funny.ReplyDelete
629 is ust another meme-turned-meta, although furries admittedly don't quite fit the category of a 'meme'. Hopefully you know what I mean, though..ReplyDelete
Do you ever have those times when an idea is funny in your head, but there's no good way to convey it, so you just keep it to yourself?ReplyDelete
No, furry trolling is a 4chan meme of sorts. I'm sure this joke was made back when people started getting sex changes. But hey, it's FURRIES right? I mean, lol.
I would hate to be the guy reviewing the last set of XKCD comics, they all seem so mediocre. Neither bad enough to get upset about, or good enough to get a laugh, all just lame and unfuuny.ReplyDelete
If I were stuck doing this review, I'd probably just give up and show a break down of my reaction to the comic in smily form:
:\ :| :/ :(
If I was doing this review, I'd just say:ReplyDelete
Oh, my reaction to the alt text is missing: >:\ReplyDelete
I was pretty sure the double suit joke in the alt text was meant for the 4th panel, but since he can't draw eyes, let alone clothing, there is no way he could show the suit joke, thus he has to put a boring ass-last panel where they make boring conversation as stick figures. HEY RANDALL, A PUNCHLINE REQUIRES A PUNCH, NOT MEANDERING DIALOG.
oh shit, I actually came up with something to say about the comic.
- AnonymousAugust 27, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Okay, so it's true that this one wasn't that funny, but I have to point out that the characters here are probably already acquainted if not close friends: "Let's get to the movie", in my opinion, implies pre-existing plans to go to a particular movie.ReplyDelete
@Cuddlefish 10:03 - Agreed.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM
I can't believe the number of uber-nerds that pop up here to make statements like "The whole premise is that this situation could play out in real life, but the person you would ask would of course not behave as pictured."ReplyDelete
a) It's not a fucking documentary!
b) How do you KNOW that "the person you would ask would of course not behave as pictured"? People are strange creatures. They do not always respond in the same way as your royal nerdliness would in any given situation.
c) Stop being such an unbearable pedant, particularly when the chances are that your sweeping assertions are wrong anyway.
- AnonymousAugust 28, 2009 at 8:44 AM
d) WAA WAA YOU'RE BEING MEAN TO MY RANDY-POO!!!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 28, 2009 at 10:06 AM
- AnonymousAugust 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM
anon 10:06, I assume that's referring to the conversation I've been carrying with Tim. I posted another response, still in the 627 thread.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousAugust 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM
No, I hadn't even read that. "Stilted" is probably the perfect word to describe Randall's dialogue, so it's no coincidence that people come up with that independently.
The most likely and simplest explanation for the movie is that the two had set a date, and were meeting up beforehand. Much like anyone would do on the way to a date, they started talking: I find it hard to believe anyone would be silent on the way. So he's talking to her and he jokes about being psychic- She is not permanently in shock, just for the moment because to her he had just read her mind. The reason he says "let's go to the movie" is because she had become distracted by his impressive display of psychic...nesReplyDelete
That makes sense.
Also for the 1% thing, it's the only way you can put a joke in there. He knew it was fake math, but for the average know nothing reader it was an entertaining little bit and it worked well enough for the plot.
I don't know if this was brought up yet, as I don't have time to read all of the comments, so if it has think of it as emphasis.
I have a feeling if you do this long enough to have a statistical possibility of guessing the number, people would see it coming and say "oh it's THIS dickbag" whenever you approached. And if you guessed it right, they would probably not care at that point.ReplyDelete
Sorry to double post, but I just saw the latest comic and... what the fuck randall?ReplyDelete
Who the fuck is that guy in the white hat?
Is he a new character?
Or... is he supposed to be blackhat, and you just didn't fucking bother to color his fucking hat in, you lazy piece of shit?
Also the joke sucks.
pirate king: you are totally right on the first one. As to the white hat, I think it was merely for variation.ReplyDelete
That could be, but I think it was just astounding laziness.ReplyDelete
I mean really, I set my artistic expectations pretty low when reading xkcd. It's stick figures, after all. All I really expect is straight lines, circle-heads that are actually somewhat circular, maybe some consistency in character depiction... Yet randall manages to disappoint, nonetheless!


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It seems that both the political caste and the executive caste are in favor of extending, in fact repealing, term limits. And based on the polls, the serfs are not.
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The political caste, through labor unions and other organizations such as the Greater New York Hospital Association, controls the City Council and State Legislature, which provide it with favors at everyone else's expense, leading to diminished public services despite high taxes. Among their clients are those public employees who are either poor performers and do not earn their pay, are retired, or about to retire; senior citizens whose children and grandchildren live elsewhere and who don't care about those living there; and those who use their special connections and insider information to get the best of what limited public services and facilities are available, privatizing them in effect. Some clients of the political caste score with public contracts rather than public employment, though it is more common for clients of the executive caste. At the core of the political caste are the perpetual incumbents in legislative offices and those without administrative responsibilities (ie. borough presidents), their much-larger-than average staffs, along with certain agencies and departments given over to them – such as part of the judiciary.
The executive caste, which does not require public services, is mostly interested in influencing elections for executive positions such as Mayor and Governor, in part through the control of the media, in part by threatening to leave town. Among its clients are firms seeking special tax breaks, developers seeking exceptions to land use rules for development sites bought cheap as a result of those rules, and wealthy people looking to access public funds for the non-profits they see as their legacy. I guess one could say that the political caste attempts to seize public space for itself to use for parking, while the executive caste tries to do the same to make money. But the executive caste makes most of its money by tricking people into getting ripped off in the marketplace, rather than having the tax collectors seize their money and give it to them, which is the political caste MO. So the executive caste is most concerned with preventing regulations that would stop it from ripping off the serfs.
The political caste is in favor of extending term limits to preserve the jobs of those in and affiliated with the City Council, and to eliminate a possible source of real elections for state legislature. The executive caste wants to continue to have one its own as Mayor, rather than risking a shift to a member of the political caste.
The serfs include the unorganized working caste, younger public employees and other union members on the wrong end of the repeated cycle of "screw the newbie, flee to Florida" contracts, young college graduates trapped in "freelance" jobs without benefits, immigrants, anyone who starts a small or new business in New York, everyone else really. They ride around by subway or walk, or if they drive have to compete for scarce legal spaces, often lack health insurance and generally lack pensions. They are neither rich enough to live well without public services nor have enough connections to ensure privileged access to them when good ones are in short supply. Parochial schools have been a lifeboat for some of the serfs, but it is sinking. They get lots of parking tickets, and their wage and (worse) self-employment income is highly taxed, though in the latter case some fight back by breaking the law and accepting unreported payments in cash.
The executive caste can squeeze the serfs in the workplace, providing jobs on a take-it-or-leave it basis for a little less, in wages and benefits, each year. The political caste provides public services and benefits to the serfs on a take-it-or-leave it bases, somewhat less for somewhat higher taxes each year. The executive caste has captured a soaring share of the nation's income. The political caste tends to have its income automatically adjusted upward for inflation each year by law. Both the political caste and the executive caste demand more and more from the serfs at a lower and lower price in the marketplace, because they can take their business elsewhere.
The term limit extension issue shows the extent to which both the political caste and the executive caste are the same sort of people – self-contained groups with an excess sense of entitlement. The use of the word caste rather than class is intentional. More and more the division between those in control of social institutions and using them primarily for their own benefit, and those forced to take what they can get, is becoming fixed. The reduction to elimination of competitive elections is one way this is happening. That is why most New Yorkers were in favor of term limits, and oppose their step-by-step repeal.
The serfs are a diverse group, with varying levels of education and income and different occupations. Not all realize they are the serfs. And some believe that votes on Election Day actually matter, even in non-swing states for offices other than President. The vote to over-ride the serfs' votes and begin the step-by-step repeal of term limits might wake a few of them up.


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*Jillian's outfit in Book 2 - Page 12 is very similiar to Columbia's first costume in Rocky Horror Picture Show, a tie in to Wanda's outfit for Book 2.
*Jillian's outfit in Book 2 - Page 12 is very similiar to Columbia's first costume in Rocky Horror Picture Show, a tie in to Wanda's outfit for Book 2.
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Race: Men
Faction: Faq, formerly Barbarian
Class: Ruler (Queen), formerly Warlord, (Princess)
Level: 9 (minimum)
Special: Dance-fighting, Leadership, Royal
- 1 Proposed Canon
- 2 Speculation
Proposed Canon
Book 1:
"I never stabbed anything that didn't stop being an immediate problem."
Strengths: Fearlessness, Independence, Unrealistically Oversized Weaponry, Hack-slash-carve-stabbity-chopchop
Weaknesses: Manners, Subtlety, Knowing What She Wants
Book 2:
"And, for the record, King? She doesn't know everything.She only knows what I told you."
Strengths: Extensive Military Experience, Knows the Enemy, Cunning Advisers, Hidden Resources
Weaknesses: Ambivalent about Enemies and Allies, Loneliness, Secret Alliance, Knowing What She Wants
First Appearance: TBFGK 7
Jillian's Background
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Jillian Zamussels was popped more than 700 turns ago (before 625 BW)Erf-b2-pT6, as heir to King Banhammer of the Kingdom of Faq after Marie Lavraie predicted that Faq would be destroyed.IPTSF Text 34 When Faq was, as Predicted, destroyed by Stanley during his rise to power, she became a Barbarian mercenary.
As a Princess, Jillian did not understand or appreciate her Father's interest in Faqian Philosophy. If Jillian's personality was designed to enable her to survive the destruction of Faq, and then to gather the resources needed to rebuild Faq, then her intense concentration on the development of military skills makes sense. For at least 200 turns of her existence she would not put up with anyone calling her "Princess". IPTSF Text 27
At the beginning of the Battle of Gobwin Knob, Jillian Zamussels was a mercenary warlord in the service of Prince Ansom's Royal Crown Coalition against Stanley the Tool's Gobwin Knob faction.
Jillian is now the Queen of the newly restored faction of Faq.Erf-b1.5-p037 As a consequence of becoming Queen, Jillian is becoming more mature. She has ordered the production of a new Royal Heir for Faq, in return for certain concessions from Don King. By hiring Vanna, she has accelerated the speed at which her new heir is being created. She has also formed alliances with Charlie and the Western Giants. Unlike most Royals, she may not be a strong believer in Royalism. At the beginning of Love is a Battlefield, she is in the capital city of Jetstone.
The Metamorphosis from Barbarian to Queen
As a Barbarian, Jillian regularly took incredible risks. On her second mission as a barbarian she was almost killed. First_Intermission_41 Ansom found this irritating, but for a long time, he didn't find it suspicious, probably because it was how he expected a high-level Barbarian Warlord to behave.
All Warlords probably have a fairly expensive upkeep cost. This means that Barbarian Warlords have to be able to pay their own expensive upkeep, or disband. A Barbarian Warlord simply cannot afford to take a cautious, careful approach to life. She must make large profits, in order to pay her large upkeep. If the only way to make those large profits is by taking huge risks, then she knows that while she might die in battle, she will certainly die if she can't make the money needed to pay her upkeep. If she succeeds, she will rise in level, as Jillian did. But rising in level is not an unmixed blessing for a Barbarian. It makes her more capable, and therefore makes her services more marketable, but it also increases the amount of money she must earn to pay her upkeep.
Jillian survived and succeeded as a mercenary because she always took just the right risks. But now she is a Queen, who can draw upon the entire resources of her side. Unlike Barbarians, Rulers can and must take a cautious approach to life, and most of them do. They certainly want to expand their sides, but they must carefully manage and develop their resources. and avoid wars they can't reasonably expect to win. The difference in strategy between a Barbarian and a Queen is comparable to that between a weed and a redwood.
Or at least, that would be the case under normal circumstances. Jillian has become Queen at an unprecedented time in Erfworld's history. Never before have the Rulers of Erfworld faced such desperate challenges. The old strategies will simply not work. In order to survive, Rulers must try new ideas and take new risks. And Jillian, because of her time as a Barbarian Warlord, may be the only Ruler on either side of the War who has the right instincts.
Wanda Firebaugh
Wanda and Jillian have an odd, complex relationship. Fate caused Jillian to pop to help Wanda move on to the "next phase of her journey" and Wanda believes their two Fates are linked.
Jillian met Wanda when she was captured by Haffaton. At the time, Wanda was addicted to Heroine buds and required by Olive Branch to torture prisoners like Jillian in order to turn them. Wanda eventually helped Jillian to defeat Olive Branch, after gaining permission from Warlady Judy to change sides and join Faq. Jillian then saved Wanda's life, by making a deal with Charlie, who helped cure Wanda of most of the physical effects of her addiction to Heroine buds.
It is implied in Book 2 – Text Updates 010 that before the fall of FAQ Jillian and Wanda were romantically involved. They appear to still have had a romantic and very intimate relationship during the times when Jillian was captured by Gobwin Knob, but it's unclear how much of that is genuine, how much was the spell of control Wanda cast on Jillian, and whether there might be other factors involved. This relationship is implied to have originated from Faq during a flashback. It is unlikely Jillian knows that Wanda was unintentionally responsible for the destruction of her side.
When Jillian breaks free from Wanda's Suggestion Spell, Wanda absorbs the full damage from the spell's abrupt termination. It's possible that she absorbed this damage deliberately, in order to avoid harming Jillian. She asked Parson not to croak Jillian, immediately after the spell broke. Jillian for her part remained concerned for Wanda even after breaking free of Wanda's spell.
Jillian has repeatedly attempted to persuade Wanda to leave Stanley's side, once while being held captive at Gobwin Knob, again during a fly-by visit to Gobwin Knob before the Coalition attack, and yet again when they parleyed at Spacerock. Her attempts to influence Wanda was hindered by the fact that she didn't know certain critical facts about Wanda. Jillian did not know about Wanda's role in the First Battle of Faq or the prediction that Wanda would someday gain an Arkentool. Wanda did mention the Summon Perfect Warlord Spell in passing after she interrogated Jillian at Gobwin Knob, but Jillian still doesn't know many critical facts about Wanda's relationship with Parson.
While Wanda benefited during the Battle for Gobwin Knob from having secrets that Jillian didn't know, Jillian has secrets unknown to Wanda. Wanda probably did not know that Jillian had rebuilt Faq and become a Queen, until she decrypted Ossomer. She still doesn't know that Jillian's Royal Heir will pop fairly soon, or that Jillian has formed separate alliances with the Royal Crown Coalition, the Western Giants, and Charlie.
The two met up again at Battle of the Expository Bridge. Wanda believed that Jillian had come all this way for her, but Parson suggested that it might have been for Ansom. Reacting jealously, Wanda had Ansom sent off with the ground troops to prevent Jillian from seeing him. Wanda proceeded to parley with Jillian.
Jillian indicated that she was fond of Wanda, but opposed her side because she can't stand Stanley. Jillian offered to let Wanda join her and conquer the world together. Wanda initially rejected this offer, saying that she is loyal to Fate. The Arkentools are Fated to be brought together, and she needs to stay by Stanley's side to help this event occur. Jillian suggested that Wanda could still fulfill her Fate if she joined Jillian's side, but was under non-disclosure, preventing her from sharing details. Wanda indicated that she might take her up on this offer, if she could win back her trust by helping her defeat Spacerock. Jillian pretended to agree, but proceeded to force an end to Gobwin Knob's turn, placing Wanda in a dire situation.
Though unwilling to croak Wanda herself, Jillian took a great deal of satisfaction in leaving her to her apparent doom. Much to Wanda's shock, Jillian left Wanda to croak while stating that she was finally sure who she had come for: Ansom.
Wanda has since entered a strong state of cognitive dissonance. She is not quite able to acknowledge what has happened in her relationship with Jillian and reacts violently to Jack's pointed hints, but realizes that somewhere, she has made a mistake.
A few turns later, Parson cautiously asked her if she would be willing to arrange Jillian's assassination. After a moment of shock, Wanda enthusiastically agreed. She continued looking for ways to rationalize how Jillian could still love her and sought to decrypt her. However, Jillian's words eventually made it clear beyond a doubt that Ansom was the one she loves, causing Wanda to break down in tears.
Charlie and Jillian are both mercenaries, and they both tend to honor the letter of their contracts, while breaking the spirit of said contracts when it is in their interest to do so. One of Charlie's Rules reminds his Archons that by making trouble for their clients, they also make more business for Charlie.
As a former mercenary, Jillian probably understands Charlie's mercenary mindset better than any other Royal, which may be why she doesn't assume that Charlie and Stanley would become allies based on a common anti-Royal ideology. As a former Barbarian, she is also much more willing to take calculated risks than most other Royals, and so is willing to risk dealing with Charlie. She's confident enough to believe she has a good chance of benefiting from the association.
Jillian has long resented Charlie as her greatest competitor for mercenary contracts. At one time, she regarded Charlie as evil, especially because he had been trying to tempt her into signing a contract with the heroine buds. Jillian eventually agreed to sign the contract in exchange for saving Wanda. Charlie then violated the spirit, though probably not the letter, of their contract by destroying the section of Jillian's personality that manifested itself as the Jester. Charlie also erased most of what Jillian knew about him, including the fact that he had altered her personality. If Jillian ever learns what Charlie did, it is likely that she will become his implacable enemy. Jillian may have fought against Archons on occasion, before the Battle of Gobwin Knob, and may have sometimes fought alongside them, if her clients ever hired both her and Charlie. Given their sides' extremely different approaches to mercenary work (Charlie is very well known and works hard to further his reputation; Faq had a history of being veiled and took steps to have no local reputation at all), it is unclear how often they competed for the same contracts or were hired by opposing clients. However, Jillian worked far afield when Faq was still standing (to protect the side's anonymity), and Charlie deals with sides both near and distant, so the two of them are probably the most "worldly" participants in the conflict with Gobwin Knob, at least among non-Casters.
After the destruction of the first Royal Crown Coalition and the recreation of Faq, Charlie contacted her and they agreed to a deal. While we don't know its exact wording, it seems that he agreed to aid Jillian in return for her help in dealing with the threat posed by Wanda. Because all of the other members of the Royal Crown Coalition II refused to deal with him, Charlie needed Jillian badly. He helped build up Faq's power, presumably so as to be able to influence the decisions of the RCC II and create a viable proxy to attack Gobwin Knob, since he doesn't dare move against Parson directly. Fortunately, Jillian is willing to try Charlie's unconventional ideas, such as persuading the Western Giants to switch their loyalties from Jitterati to Faq. Charlie probably knows that Faq obtained much of its income from doing mercenary work, and may be concerned that it could eventually become a competitor once again, but given the magnitude of the crisis he faces, that possibility is likely to be of comparatively small importance.
Jillian never came to trust Charlie, but did talk to him often enough to make taking his calls habitual.
Charlie expected Jillian to croak Wanda, but Jillian tried instead to persuade Wanda to break with Stanley and join her. While having Jillian and Wanda join forces would not have been what Charlie or Don King had in mind when they decided to help Jillian, Jillian could argue that recruiting Wanda would have made Wanda less of a threat to Charlie, and would have done a great deal to weaken Gobwin Knob, which were the main goals they had in mind when they decided to help her.
Since Wanda refused to change sides, Jillian had Vanna end Gobwin Knob's turn. Though unwilling to croak Wanda herself, Jillian believed that Wanda's doom had been sufficiently insured to in itself fulfill the terms of her agreement with Charlie and end the threat Wanda poses. At this point, she decided to perform acts that would strengthen Faq at Gobwin Knob's expense, such as capturing Ansom and sacking some of Gobwin Knob's cities, while avoiding those acts that would weaken Faq, such as launching a frontal attack against Wanda's superior forces.
Jillian's sudden decision to change their agreed upon plan at Jetstone and not attack Wanda placed some stress on Jillian's alliance with Charlie. Charlie did not think that Jillian had ended the threat posed by Wanda, because he, unlike Jillian, knows that Parson has the ability to find a way that Wanda can escape the trap Jillian placed her in. He pretended to consider Jillian's revelation that Wanda does not hate Charlie and would probably be willing to work for him, but in actuality, he tried to have Ansom croaked out of anger at her failure to croak Wanda personally. Alternatively he tried to croak Ansom so to remove Jillian's main goal of fixing her lover - in such situation that even angry at Charlie, Jillian would return to the battlefield to help her allies. Either way, as a result, Jillian wants nothing to do with a scheming manipulator like Charlie, while Charlie for his part has concluded that Jillian is too unreliable to work with. Charlie has told her to do as she likes, since she is now on her own.
Nevertheless, he will take any opportunities she offers to antagonize Gobwin Knob. He also considers it very important that she is kept out of Gobwin Knob's hands, which might have to do with her Fate.
Jack Snipe
Jack and Jill(ian) seem to be long acquainted with each other. Jillian indicates that she believed he had a crush on her. Jillian on her part seems at least fond of Jack and considers him to be a genius Foolamancer. However, she rejected his attempt to form a romantic relationship with her.
Even though she had no romantic interest in him, Jillian still considered Jack to be her best friend, and desired to repair their relationship. But it is likely that the damage caused to her mind by Charlie and Betsy removing the bits they didn't like made her forget the fact that their relationship had even been harmed in the first place.
When the two met in battle both seemed to be deeply affected; Seeing Jillian and hearing her speak his name appears to have largely cured Jack of the insanity caused by an improperly broken caster link. Jillian has offered to accept Jack to her side both times they have encountered each other within the comic. Both times however, Jack has declined the offer. Because of his painfully unrequited crush on her and his admiration of Parson's skill at "lateral thinking", he has thus far chosen to remain Gobwin Knob.
Prince Ansom
The two did not know one another prior to the beginning of the RCC's campaign against Stanley. Although they knew each other for only a brief time, and were superficially very different, the deeper similarities which came from them both being Royal allowed them to develop a strong romantic relationship. Ansom invited Jillian to come to his tent during their first meeting at the beginning of Book One. Jillian nearly decided to join him then, but changed her mind while walking towards his tent. Her initial ambivalence about starting a romantic relationship with Ansom is probably attributable to the fact that she was already involved in a relationship with Wanda. Despite Jillian's hesitations, Ansom continually trusted Jillian despite large amounts of evidence pointing to her being a traitor. The love that Jillian and Ansom shared gave Jillian the strength and desire to break Wanda's suggestion spell.
Jillian was deeply troubled by the death of Ansom at the Battle of Gobwin Knob. Charlie's revelation that Ansom had been decrypted by Wanda played a major role in Jillian's decision to ally with Charlie. After traveling to Jetstone, and giving Jetstone what she believed was a decisive military advantage, by having Vanna and Charlie prematurely end Gobwin Knob's turn, Jillian formulated and carried out a plan to capture Ansom. She hopes that Vanna will eventually be able to Turn Ansom. But turning Ansom may have become more difficult, because he strongly disapproves of Jillian's decision at Progrock to croak instead of capture all of the decrypted units in that city.
Don King
Don King regards Jillian as an absolutely vital ally. In fact, he suspects that she may be the only person who can save Erfworld from total destruction. He also likes her personally, regarding her as his "sweet, cranky, warrior-Queen". He first met Jillian at the moment when he realized that Stanley posed a far, far greater threat than anyone had previously believed. Because of his ability to secretly observe events through his bats, Don may have seen far more of the Battle of Gobwin Knob than anyone realizes. He understands that Stanley poses both an ideological threat (because of his claim to a new Titanic mandate), and a strategic threat, (because Gobwin Knob has weapons that can wipe out an entire armies). This new awareness has forced him to reassess many things, including his views on the importance of Royalty.
Don may have been watching Jillian though his bats since long before he met her. It's not clear exactly how much he knows about her, but he certainly knows that she is a young Royal with extraordinary combat abilities who has good reason to hate Stanley and who has demonstrated some capability to predict Stanley's actions. After meeting her in person, he decided to help her rebuild Faq.
But then, he learned at some point that Ansom, whom he knew Jillian loved, was not, as previously thought, croaked. Instead, Ansom was leading Stanley's forces as his Chief Warlord. This may have led Don to question how Jillian would react to Ansom's apparent decision to support Stanley. Could Jillian be trusted, or would she join forces with her lover Ansom? It may have been concern about which side Jillian would fight on that caused him to demand that Jillian pop a Royal Heir, because producing a Heir would dramatically slow down Faq's ability to pop other units. When Don learned the truth about Ansom from Queen Bea's final message, he probably realized that his assumptions about how Jillian would react to Ansom were wrong. It was after this point that he dramatically increased the resources he was sending to Jillian in order to expand Faq's military.
After discovering that Charlie had attempted to manipulate Transylvito using Jillian as his agent, Don has been forced to reassess his perspective once again. Between the serious threat Charlescomm poses to his side, Parson and Jack's slander, and Jillian's own unreliable nature, Don King now fears that Jillian wasn't who he thought she was after all.
Caesar Borgata
Caesar despises Jillian, whom he privately refers to as "the wack from Faq",Erf-b3-p147 and is strongly opposed to Don King's policy of rapidly building the strength of Faq. Jillian dislikes Caesar because he was unwilling to give her the opportunity to find and croak Stanley.
Caesar's personal troubles began when he was assigned to meet with Count Vinny and a Barbarian Mercenary named Jillian. Jillian had made what Caesar regarded as the highly improbable claim that the ruins of three previously undetected cities existed close to Transylvito, and that Stanley planned to rebuild these cities after Gobwin Knob fell. Don King sent Caesar and a group of Warlords to investigate, to croak Stanley if he arrived where Jillian said he would be, and to claim the three cities for Transylvito, if they actually existed.
Caesar was deeply suspicious of Jillian from the beginning, and made it clear that he was in charge. Jillian and Caesar quickly developed an antipathy for one another. Part of the problem was that, unlike Vinny, Caesar was not particularly friendly towards the members of the RCC, and frankly seemed to care little about Stanley one way or the other.
Stanley did indeed make an appearance, but Caesar's ambush failed to croak him, because of Foolamancy and the combat power of the Arkenhammer. Two of Caesar's Warlords were croaked. Jillian then demanded that they pursue Stanley, but Caesar rejected her demand, because they would never find him while he had a Foolamancer. Caesar intended instead to claim the three ruined cities as he had been sent to do. Later when he informed Jillian that Ansom and all of the other members of the RCC army had been mysteriously croaked, she attempted to croak him in a fit of rage. If not for Vinny's interference he probably would have croaked her on the spot.
He may have regretted not doing so, because the next morning he received a change of orders from Don King. He was now ordered to escort Jillian to Transylvito, and to treat her as a Royal as he did so. Whatever dealings Caesar had with the two Royals who preceded him as Heir had left him with a rather low view of Royals in general, so he followed his orders from Don in the most sarcastic way possible. When he arrived in Transylvito, he learned that Don not only intended to allow Jillian to claim the three city sites, but to give her a significant amount of money to rebuild them. This was only the first of the money transfers to Faq which Don has authorized, and to which Caesar is deeply opposed.
When Jillian left the battle for Jetstone, Caesar ordered Vinny to begin listing every military asset Faq had. His current intention is to take the side.
Vinny Doombats
Vinny was originally unsure just how far his friend Ansom should trust Jillian. While Vinny had some doubts about Jillian's loyalty, they seem to have respected each other professionally, and fought well in combat together. Their mutual grief over the reported croaking of Ansom brought them together at a deeper emotional level, and Vinny worked hard to make sure that Jillian and Don King had favorable first impressions of one another. When Faq was rebuilt, Vinny was assigned as a diplomatic liaison.
At some unknown point the two became lovers. Vinny tried to persuade Don King not to demand that Jillian pop a heir, in part because he feared it would ruin their relationship. While their relationship has become increasingly strained due to Don King's demands and Jillian's secrets regarding her alliance with Charlie, it has so far remained intact.
While Jillian left to join the Siege of Spacerock, Vinny found himself growing increasingly bored with his Duty as an ambassador. The only parts of his job that he liked were Jillian, and a nice message hat that came in as a close second. Finding Jillian's report from the Siege of Spacerock to be suspiciously brief, Vinny contacted Bunny, discovering to his shock that Spacerock had fallen, and that Jillian had ditched the battle to grab Ansom. Caesar's letter to prepare intelligence for an invasion of Faq will have only increased the amount of strain on Vinny's relationship with Jillian.
Vinny continued to care about his friend, despite being mean and a little bit crazy. But his loyalty remained to his side, and he dutifully carried out Caesar's orders. When Jillian returned home, she refused to speak to him, and he experienced a moment of jealousy when he briefly mistook Vanna for Jillian when Vanna and Duncan were having nookie.
Jillian's Weapons
Jillian normally prefers to fight from the back of a gwiffon. She carries a large greatsword named Three-EdgedIPTSF Text 28, and a dagger.
Jillian is a barbarian warlord, hired to lead Prince Ansom's flying units. She is a good tactical fighter, but reckless, and has been known to seek out combat even when it is irrelevant to the mission and contrary to orders.
Her personal relationship to Prince Ansom is ambiguous when the two first meet. She rejects an invitation to spend the night in his tent; however, she later approaches the tent as if reconsidering the offer, but walks away.
While flying a scouting mission, riding a gwiffon with a flight of orlys as support, Jillian encounters a group of Stanley's dwagons. She croaks a blue dwagon before she is captured and taken to Gobwin Knob.
When Wanda Firebaugh arrives to interrogate her, Jillian proposes that "both of us get out of here." Wanda's response is to strike her with a whip and instruct Jillian to address her as "Mistress". After Jillian complies, Wanda casts an unspecified Spell (presumably her Suggestion Spell to manipulate Jillian's actions).
After the interrogation, Jillian shows signs of considerable physical torture, and has apparently told Wanda everything she wanted to know. However, she is also chatting with her interrogator in an offhand, even friendly, manner. There is a strong implication (at least) of a sadomasochistic relationship between the two.
The following turn, Jillian is used as bait in a trap to lure Ansom out to where he could easily be ambushed by Stanley's Dwagons. The plan fails, and Jillian meets up with Sir Webinar and Dora, and then Charlie's Archons. Meanwhile, the Coalition column is raided by dwagons, and Prince Ansom leads an expeditionary force to finish them off while they are still wounded and vulnerable. This turns out to be another, more successful, trap. Ansom calls on Jillian and the forces accompanying her to hunt the wounded dwagons.
After a long search, with little Move left, Jillian et al. discover the dwagons hovering over a nearby lake. Jillian becomes conflicted: she knows her duty is to destroy the dwagons, but Wanda's Suggestion Spell is pressuring her to find a reason to do something else. The Archons approach her and engage her, trying to help resolve the conflict, pointing out the spell. Jillian makes her decision: she announces her love for Ansom via a Thinkagram, and proceeds to attack the dwagons. Parson responds by ordering the dwagons and uncroaked Warlords to attack to kill Jillian, but Ansom saves the day by coming to her rescue. The dwagons are wiped out. The leadership of the Royal Crown Coalition now expects to be destroyed by the remaining healthy dwagons from the circle trap. Jillian and Ansom spend the night on his flying carpet, permitting themselves a last moment of joy.
The attack never comes. Stanley has ordered the dwagons elsewhere. Jillian believes she knows where, but will only tell Ansom personally. They meet back at the siege train, and Jillian reveals her history to Ansom. She was popped as an heir to a Side named Faq by King Banhammer. Banhammer had been told that his bubble kingdom -- a kingdom essentially unapproachable except by air or tunnel -- would someday fall. Jillian believes she failed to meet his expectations by being a warrior instead of a philosopher. Since she had no real place in the idyllic little kingdom, she was sent to fight as a mercenary in distant lands with other Faq forces. One day, she received a Thinkagram that suggested dwagons were over Faq, and the next day she was a barbarian. She continued the mercenary lifestyle while trying to learn who might have destroyed Faq. Eventually, she heard rumors about Stanley the Plaid and his dwagons. When she learned about Ansom's coalition, she thought it was an ideal situation -- she could work as a mercenary against the most likely culprit responsible for Faq's destruction, while learning more about the candidate.
Stanley's uncharacteristic move with the dwagons suggested to Jillian that Stanley was headed to restart his Side in Faq. With the knowledge of Faq in hand, Ansom suggested she get to the site of Faq ahead of Stanley and become Queen of her re-started side. Jillian had not even considered that, instead wanting to intercept Stanley and ambush him. Ansom arranges for Vinny, the Archons, and other air forces to accompany her to a location where she can meet up with additional forces from Transylvito.
Jillian made a side trip into Gobwin Knob, instead of going directly to Faq. She intended to use the lack of dwagon defenses to mount a "rescue" of Wanda, whom Jillian believes is being forced to work for Stanley. Wanda declines, and the Archons reveal Wanda is under the effect of no mind-altering Spells, but during this conversation Wanda interrupts by unleashing Gobwin Knob's Air defenses, killing several Unipegataurs and the Archon Jaclyn. Jillian flies off towards Faq with a diminished force.
Charlie is not paid, so the Archons become free agents, leaving Jillian with just her gwiffons, some orlies, Vinny, and a few doombats. The next day they meet up with the forces from Transylvito. Caesar Borgata, the Chief Warlord of Transylvito, has brought nine other Warlords and a few hundred doombats. The forces set up with the doombats in line in front, commanded by Warlords, with Caesar providing a portion of his leadership bonus to all. Stanley arrives and attempts to punch through, throwing aside Caesar and his stack with the Arkenhammer's shocking powers. Jillian moves to intercept, discovering Stanley has brought the Foolamancer Jack Snipe with him. Jack's mind is restored when Jillian calls him by his real name, and Jack's awesome Foolamancy comes into play. He makes Jillian believe that she destroyed Stanley's dwagon, but instead flies off with Stanley towards the hex edge. Jillian spots a doombat stack in a suspicious position, with Vinny confirming it was not a Transylvito stack, and the pair correctly deduce that this is Stanley. It is, however, too late. They are unable to catch Stanley before he leaves the hex, headed back in the direction of Gobwin Knob.
Jillian spends the remainder of the day with the forces of Transylvito. At dusk, around a bonfire, Jillian is informed by Vinny that Caesar did not come here to fight Stanley, since he didn't believe Stanley would come in this direction. Caesar came to check on the cities of Faq, and to claim them for Transylvito if they existed. Jillian becomes angry, not because of the deception, but because she wants to finish off Stanley. Caesar approaches and informs Jillian and Vinny that the Battle for Gobwin Knob is finished, with all Royal Crown Coalition forces eliminated, including Ansom. Jillian, enraged, attacks Caesar, who easily stops the assault. Caesar threatened Jillian, but Vinny stepped in and took charge of the distraught Jillian. They appear to spend the night comforting each other while mourning Ansom.
Jillian was then taken, as a prisoner in all but name, back to Transylvito to an audience with Don King, the royal ruler of Transylvito. There she was offered the resources to reestablish her former capital side, Faq. She reluctantly accepted this offer, but is slowly growing accustomed to the new role.
It's possible that the natural Signamancy inherent in being the Queen of Faq will compel Jillian to become more interested in Faqian Philosophy.
Her suit on page 12 of book 2 seems to be rendered in a way similar to the Arkentools. Perhaps it is a tool itself?
Her suit is a reference to the time warp dance in the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Between her and Wanda's clothes, we have a case of strong signamancy foreshadowing the following events.
What does Jillian Really Want, and Why Doesn't She Know It?
According to Jillian's cast page, one of her weaknesses is "Knowing what she wants". It's not uncommon for people in the Real World not to know what they want, but on Erfworld, this is an extraordinarily unusual problem. Almost everyone on Erfworld knows exactly what they want, because they are popped to fulfill a particular role in life, and are bound by the constraints of Loyalty, Obedience and Duty. So why doesn't Jillian know?
Jillian has deeply conflicting desires, because she was popped to fill a role that did not exist, and might never exist. She was created to be the Queen of a peaceful side devoted to philosophy, because that's what Faq was when she was created. But she was also created knowing that the Faq she was created to rule would soon cease to exist. This is why she was so frustrated in Faq. She wanted Faq, but she knew she couldn't have Faq. She channeled that frustration into her fascination with war. Every enemy she struck down was, for that instant, the foe who prevented her from living in peace as the ruler of Faq.
When Faq was destroyed, it was probably almost a relief for Jillian. Though she deeply hated the knowledge that Faq no longer existed, at least the Prediction had been fulfilled, and maybe, someday, she would be able to rebuild Faq. At least she no longer had to live in a Kingdom she knew was doomed. She threw herself even more completely into the role of a Mercenary, hoping she could, somehow, someday, gain the resources needed to rebuild Faq.
She was torn between a desire for companionship and the desire to be alone. She wanted to reach out to others who might help her rebuild Faq, yet she knew that those others had different goals and ambitions, that usually conflicted with the seemingly impossible goal of creating a peaceful bubble Kingdom. Of course she told no one else about Faq during this period, because if any other side had occupied Faq's cities, her task of rebuilding Faq would become vastly harder.
When she learned about Stanley, she hated him like she'd hated no one else in her entire life. This was the man who had taken Faq from her. The fact that he must also know about the location of Faq made him an intolerable risk to Jillian. What if he claimed Faq's cities before she could? He had to die. So she joined the alliance against Gobwin Knob, and in time was torn between the two people she'd come to love, Ansom and Wanda. Jillian was deeply attracted to both of these seemingly very different people, but she had trouble deciding between them. Her ambivalent relationships with both reflected an subconscious uncertainty about which of the two would be more useful to her in rebuilding Faq.
It was only when she knew that Stanley was about to try and take the site of Faq's cities that she revealed who she really was to Ansom. She probably felt great ambivalence when Ansom suggested she might become the Queen of Faq again, because she knew that the Faq he had in mind was not the philisophical Kingdom of her most secret dreams. But the important thing right now was stopping Stanley.
With some help from Caesar and Transylvito, Jillian was able to prevent Stanley from reaching Faq.But then, she learned that Caesar planned to claim Faq's cities. Her momentary loss of control, and attempt to kill Caesar, was the result of hearing this horrible news at the same time she heard that Ansom had been croaked.
Being offered the resources needed to rebuild Faq by Don King was in a way both the best and the worst thing that ever happened to Jillian. It meant she had finally become Queen Of Faq, but it also meant that she and Faq were caught in a network of alliances that makes it impossible for Faq to be the sort of philosophical Kingdom it once was. And so Jillian continues to feel great ambivalence, and uncertainly about exactly what it is she wants.
- Her name may be a pun on "Jillions of muscles", a epithet suitable for a person relying on brute force and violence to solve problems.
- Her familiarity with and relation to Jack Snipe may be a reference to "Jack and Jill."
- The name Jillian, in combination with the fact that she is a barbarian, may be a reference to the actress formerly known as Jillian Barberie, now Jillian Reynolds.
- Jillian's outfit in Book 2 - Page 12 is very similiar to Columbia's first costume in Rocky Horror Picture Show, a tie in to Wanda's outfit for Book 2.
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Duncan Scone
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King Banhammer
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In his Feb. 4 letter to the editor, "Advice for Woodlands," Bruce M. Donaldson accuses impacted Woodlands residents and their supporters of lies and manipulation of facts regarding the Woodlands water woes to fit some undisclosed agenda.
One agenda that I'm aware of in this situation is public health. Living without potable water is a public health issue. Another is social justice. Impact fees must be spent on the people and places impacted, not on budget shortfalls.
On Jan. 14, I had a letter published in the Eagle that referenced news reports about multiple industrial chemicals having been found in post-drilling state Department of Environmental Protection water tests from the Woodlands and incomplete water tests found in file reviews of DEP data from the Woodlands. Based on this and other incidents, the state auditor general has ordered a performance audit of DEP's Marcellus Shale operations.
Are all of these news reports lies and manipulations?
I also mentioned the admittedly circumstantial evidence that after each new round of drilling and fracking, there are additional families with tainted water. Why in the world would anyone make up stories like that? For money?
If Donaldson had talked with his neighbors as much as I have, he would know that they want only one thing: good water for their homes.
As far as drilling for water in the Woodlands is concerned, the Jan. 22 Butler Eagle article "Many wells are OK" related that not all areas of the Woodlands have tainted water, and so it is possible to drill good wells in many, but not all, areas of the Woodlands.
The lab at Duquesne University where John Stolz, Ph.D., conducts his ongoing tests of Woodlands water is not a state-certified commercial testing lab. But Stolz is a highly regarded research scientist and the equipment he uses is of highest quality. His work can (and will) stand up to the most rigorous scientific scrutiny and academic peer reviews.
My advice to Donaldson is to hang out with his neighbors more. He should volunteer at the Water for Woodlands distribution center. He should help his neighbors load their vehicles with this precious resource that he takes for granted.
He should meet the three little boys who are so excited about getting their weekly allotment of water that you'd think each was getting a new bike.
Maybe then his accusations of lies and manipulations wouldn't come as easily to his lips.
And, if I may comment on another item from the Feb. 4 Butler Eagle, I read with interest the article about XTO's community advisory council regarding its natural gas operations in Butler County. I was happy to read that the company is committed to safety. It needs to be.
According to DEP "violations per well by operator" data for 2012, XTO was cited for 24 violations at the 45 gas wells it drilled last year. Data are available at FracTracker.org.


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