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Re: JWG'S Planetary Method of Chart Interpretation ...
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Aug 27, 2013, 09:22 AM »
Hi Ari,
First, thanks for taking the time you have to do an EA analysis of why Darwin's chose to have his Jupiter in Pisces in the 3rd combined with all the other relevant Jupiter signatures that you have pointed out.
Your EA analysis is exceptionally sound, and very correct. In so doing you are helping all those who have come to read this thread on the planetary method of chart analysis. This is how EA is meant to be done.
Bravo !
God Bless, Rad
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Aug 28, 2013, 12:20 AM »
Hi Rad,
I've fallen behind working on this in light of numerous personal issues. I will be working on it this week.
with gratitude,
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Re: JWG'S Planetary Method of Chart Interpretation ...
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Aug 29, 2013, 08:57 AM »
Hi Rad, and group
Here I'm posting my few thoughts about Darwin's Jupiter .. haven't got too much to say, and have the feeling I incur in some of the errors I denounce .. but, this is what I got by now
Thanks so much to all for keeping this thread moving ..
God Bless, Gonzalo
Sagittarius being on the Ascendant correlates with an instinctive urge to know or understand. With the south node of Mars/Uranus in Sagittarius in the 1st House, an intensified need to be totally free has existed in order to explore the phenomenal world, or Nature, and same time, to conceptualize, speculate or ponder about how this phenomenal reality of Nature is arranged, displayed, or created. Sagittarius in the 1st House cusp, ruled by Jupiter in the 3rd House which is in mutual reception with Neptune in the 12th House, and Leo on the 9th House cusp, ruled by the Sun in Aquarius, reflects desires to understand how variation occurs, or how difference emerges from a common ground or substratum, and how difference can be arranged in meaningful patterns in various ways. This because of variation and difference being a Mercury/Uranus correlation, with Jupiter being in a Mercury House, etc., and Pisces/Sagittarius correlating with the ground from which individual forms emerge. These are symbols of someone who would want to stare at the clouds for hours to see how forms appear from the ground, change, merge, and dissolve back into the formless. So, Jupiter in the 3rd House, in Pisces, would reflect desires to know what the forms have in common, and how they differ, and who would mentally try to conceive different ways to give account of their differentness, and their commonality. Because of the 1st House Sagittarius, and Pluto being new phase to the Jupiter, this would also directly reflect wanting to know how one form leads to another, ie. the becoming or evolution from one form to the next (I feel like Uranus/Mercury relate to variety, and multiplicity, and the variation, becoming or going from one form or stage to other form or stage would be a Mars/Pluto correlation). Sagittarius in the 1st House cusp relates to separating desires connected with knowing, and with the desire to know quickly-to already know. Then Jupiter in the natural Gemini House relates to the Mercury function of recognition. Recognition implies memory, which implies knowing, versus exploration, which implies not knowing or knowing only in part and wanting to know the rest, the unknown.
Thus, with Pluto conjunct Jupiter there is a karma based on prior knowledge conditioning how phenomena are now perceived, recognized or understood. Because of the emotional needs which have existed to feel secure through understanding or knowing, the karma has been created because of illusions, assumptions and beliefs, in which the Soul has thought it knows what it does not know, and in which the known has served as a model to understand the unknown, or in which relative knowledge has been given general or even ultimate meaning or scope. The scope of the knowledge had has been exaggerated, and further, the pieces of knowledge have been connected by means of arbitrary or relative intellectual elaborations (3rd House), in which the Soul has not discriminated (Pisces in a Mercury House) which part is the known and which part remains to be the field of the unknown, in which existing questions or hypothesis have been avoided, denied, or taken for knowledge, creating a distorted effect. Distortion here being like a crystal which has not been perfectly polished, and which distorts that which is looked at through the crystal. Thus, creating concepts- Jupiter-which distort that which is contemplated or recognized through the concepts, in ways which amplify some aspects and reduce other aspects of the observed reality. Also because of the Pisces in the 3rd House correlation with metaphor and metonymy, specifically taking the part for the whole, or the whole for the part, or the name or symbol for the thing.
There are several reasons why the desire to know has been so compulsive, and why bottom-line emotional security has been connected to knowing. In the past, the Soul has desired to know, and to be sure of what it knows, in order to survive – Leo in the 9th House cusp, the Sun in the 2nd House. Not knowing has resulted in not surviving, or in witnessing others not surviving-Sun is in Aquarius, Aquarius is in the 3rd House cusp, and Uranus is in the 11th House Scorpio. Also connected with survival, I see the potential for issues of discrimination-being discriminated. Here the Jupiter Pisces conjunct Pluto, ruled by Neptune/Saturn in the 12th House Sagittarius, Pluto/Jupiter being in the 3rd House which is ruled by Uranus in the 11th House Scorpio, with Jupiter being inconjunct Mars in the 10th House, correlates with the nature of words or language serving to discriminate between religious/ethnic groups and minorities, as in those stories in which people were asked by some 'authority' to say some words in order to tell if they were Jews or not, in which the way the words were pronounced determined survival or death. I see also in these symbols the potential for a larger issue connecting with normalcy and abnormalcy, as if the individual experienced in more distant past-lifetimes being discriminated for abnormalcy or monstrosity, igniting a desire to conform or fit in, translating later in an orientation to have reality conformed within pre-existing concepts, as if difference itself were undesirable or inauspicious. There is a intense emotional charge in the Mercury operation of recognition conditioning the philosophical elaboration-all the Pisces in the 3rd House, Uranus Scorpio ruling the 3rd House. It seems to me this emotional charge can connect with past experiences of banishment or exile, or being lost, and desperately wanting to recognize some known place, or someone, in midst of unknown people in an unknown place, leading to wrong recognition. Potentially this could have created at some point in the past, memory issues such as topographical disorientation, prosopagnosia, or the so called Capgras delusion. Also, because of the connection I feel exists in this signature between abnormalcy and lack of discrimination, and given the incest issues talked about in prior posts, these symbols could reflect the traumatic enforced post-recognition: 'oh, so this is my mother' .. 'oh, so this is my sister' .. and all that this missing or avoided piece of information implied from the point of view of socially constructed patriarchal beliefs. And, as in the Oedipus tale (rather than in the Freudian myth), this ex-post recognition trauma, being or nor connected with incest issues, conditioning the orientation to knowledge along many lifetimes, in different ways. On one hand, with the Pluto/Jupiter/Mercury conjunction in the 3rd House in Pisces, with the 3rd House ruled by Uranus in the 11th House, a pre-existing orientation has been to give too much value or meaning to information or data, as if some 'hidden' piece of information needed to be found having the potential to change the complete picture of the situation or field, as if life were constantly posing a riddle that has to be uncovered or guessed through intellectual inquiry. On the other hand, alternatively or at some other point, the experience of errors or mistakes triggering a desire not to know or not to think, a disillusionment with the power or possibility of knowledge, translating into wanting to submit to established beliefs or opinions, or some form of agnosticism, reflecting desires to humiliate the intellect (the Uranus/Jupiter sesquiquadrate, Jupiter/Mars inconjunct, Pisces in the 3rd House with Pluto/Jupiter/Mercury, Virgo intercepted in the 9th House). An overall response of dogmatism existed in the past created by the experience of error or wrong understanding or perspective, and the extreme responses thereof (the extremity of the responses being reflected in the nodes of Jupiter being in the 1st and 7th Houses, Jupiter/Mars inconjunct with Mars in Libra, Jupiter conjunct the 7th House ruler Mercury which squares the 7th House cusp). The past dogmatism was also a desire to be an authority within socially valid forms of belief or knowledge, and implied a delusory absolutisation of arbitrary points of view or partial truths which were only parts of a larger truth. Along many lifetimes, further, an overall pattern has existed of confusion, because of these dynamics, and because of dynamics relating to giving or not giving, sharing or not sharing, and knowing within parameters or free from parameters which have been talked about in prior posts. In relation with the evolution of species, the Jupiter location in Pisces, reflects past religious views of species being created directly by God. And further, the levels of intellectual confusion implied on this symbol, with the 3rd House ruler being Uranus in the 11th House, reflects 'skepticism' about any meaningful pattern connecting the species, because of the variety of ways in which their differentness/likeness can be possibly arranged, translating in not believing in any meaningful connection but rather, random or chaotic production of beings, with the differentness/likeness seen as a mere by-product or as projection of the subjectivity of a drunken observer, or as the dream of reason.
Now Jupiter is in a new phase conjunction with Pluto, reflecting an entire new chapter is unfolding, in which the desires to know and understand the nature of phenomena and Nature have been re-embraced. Since the new cycle is quite new, and the Pluto/Jupiter is in Pisces, issues pertaining to the past are still manifesting in consciousness, as 3rd House memories the Soul needs to address and resolve pertaining to prior orientations to knowledge. Because Pluto/Jupiter is in the 3rd House, new phase conjunct, prior conceptual understandings are being given a new use, as if the Soul inwardly knew that pieces of knowledge it already has are essentially correct, but needs to find where they fit, and where they don't fit, in order to avoid creating distortions. Part of this is like making and using maps or cartographies (something Dampier and Darwin did). Maps are like Jupiter concepts, in that they describe a complete field or territory, but they don't by themselves tell where you are in the mapped territory, and the map is useless until you can place yourself in relation with the map/territory from the relative point of view of a 3rd House observer. Maps themselves present an image of a field from a point of view that is quite abstract or detached, and the observer, instead, is always at some specific place which determines a point of view, which, in turn, changes as the observer moves across the territory or field. So, in order to make a map, the field or territory needs to be observed from a multiplicity of points of view, equaling objectivity, versus just one point of view: Uranus in the 11th House, ruling the 3rd House and sesquiquadrate to Jupiter. In turn, some of the points of view need to be privileged, depending on who is going to use the map for its navigation (just look at Siberia in most western maps). So, Darwin needed to collect large amounts of data, or facts -3d House-pertaining to determined types or species of animals and plants-invertebrates, some types of birds, orchids .. ie. to focus on examples-3rd House-and to be able to find meaningful connections within circumscribed territories in Nature, so to speak, in order to just then be able to 'confirm' the nature of the types of patterns that he then could propose to be of a general validity. Finding the meaningful connections would occur by means of collecting data and observations-which needed to be very exhaustive and comprehensive in order to avoid both subjective projections, and relying too much on pre-existing classifications (a very deep discussion on how to understand variation and connections between species had occurred prior to Darwin in France between Cuvier and Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire, and whatever classifications of species implied a pre-existing treatment of differentness). Same time, the collected data and observations would have needed to 'float free' within his mind, in order for imagination to arrange the differentness/similarity for the patterns to reveal themselves. Thus, a deep collaboration between reasoning, intuition and imagination that would allow for new connections to emerge in his consciousness, that would progressively translate into understanding and demonstrating natural laws of evolution of species.
Last Edit: Aug 29, 2013, 12:06 PM by Gonzalo
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Re: JWG'S Planetary Method of Chart Interpretation ...
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Aug 30, 2013, 08:19 AM »
Hi Gonzalo,
First, thanks for taking the time to work on this segment of planetary method of interpretation. Your EA analysis of how the inner workings of Darwin's consciousness manifesting in his mind, or intelligence, from his evolutionary past, and the reasons for that, which you then brilliantly interfaced with the life of Darwin wherein it all began to come together, new phase Pluto/Jupiter, is just brilliant EA work. The very essence of what you have presented is the difference between 'beliefs' versus actual knowing. And it is that actual knowing, the core desire within the Soul of Darwin, that finally lead to his revolutionary/ evolutionary work called the Origin of the Species.
Your presentation of the inner process within Darwin that lead to his seminal work, from the past to the present, is simply incredible. This is how EA is meant to be done. In so doing, you are helping, along with the others in our little group here, all others who have, and do, come to this thread to read, and to learn.
Brilliant EA work Gonzalo.
Bravo !!
God Bless, Rad
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Sep 03, 2013, 03:18 AM »
Hi Rad,
I had hoped to post by now, but haven't been able to. However I will be able to over the next 2 or 3 days for sure, hopefully the medical one too. Thanks for waiting.
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Re: JWG'S Planetary Method of Chart Interpretation ...
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Sep 08, 2013, 05:30 PM »
Hi Rad,
Apologies it takes me such a long time to post sometimes, there has been a lot on as I gradually transition back into better health, which isn't always a straightforward process. But finally managed to get it done.
Why Darwin's Jupiter is in Pisces in the 3rd House
One of the key characteristics of life as we know it is on-going renewal - from the ability of an organism to grow, and then give birth to a new baby, to new stars forming out of cosmic dust, to the continual expansion of the universe itself. In many ways it's this factor of becoming new, and of never-ending growth and movement, that appears to be central to life, what makes life "life". And Jupiter encapsulates and represents this possibly more than any of the other planets.
Generally survival is the most fundamental on-going process humans engage in, and takes place externally. But this doesn't happen in a vacuum – we are always surrounded by our environment. And (as Rad has described) gazing up at the stars at night has never failed to give rise to two other fundamental yet quite different processes a human being experiences, ones which take place internally.
Firstly, a sense of awe and wonder – awe at the vastness (Pisces/Neptune), and wonder at the meaning (Jupiter) of the experience – of what it means to simply be present and able to view such magnificence in the first place – a very inner process. One of the significant abilities that differentiates humans from animals is this ability to reflect and to be self-conscious. And while the arising of awe and wonder is not the only factor that induces self-awareness, it is a very significant one, as it also brings perspective to our daily existence by showing us how truly small we are in the entire scheme of things.
This in turn taps into the deepest need of human beings after physical survival – the need to feel secure (which arises from the sense of being separate). Physical survival is not enough to make us feel fully secure. We also seem to be in limbo – above animals yet so frail and small, still a tiny force existing within what appears to be an infinite universe, and this only further heightens the sense of being separate and alone. In response to this need to also feel secure inwardly as well as outwardly, a second fundamental inner process is activated – the process of trying to not feel isolated and instead to feel "connected".
In matriarchal times this need and it's resulting process induced a shamanistic response, a reverence for and simple worship of the seasons and elements and other natural phenomena, and used celebration (Jupiter) of what is as a means to feel connected to the total environment. And because this response was based in nature it reaffirmed the feeling of the natural connection mankind already has with Nature, and this in turn promoted a sense of being in the right place, an unassuming sense of oneness (Pisces). But since the advent of the patriarchy simple innocent wonder at the meaning of life turned into a desire to know what it meant to be alive, a search for understanding the reason for human existence. While the matriarchal response, based on revering and celebrating existence was a heart-based trusting response, the patriarchal reaction was based on intellect and doubt, and all the associated beliefs and other mental constructs the mind has created in that process.
So together
, and then the
response (via matriarchal trust or patriarchal doubt), relate to the big picture. And along with the survival process (Saturn), within patriarchal times they correspond to humankind's predominate preoccupation – coping with the need to feel secure within this vastness of the universe. As Rad explained, in the consensus consciousness this manifests through "understanding" existence based on (the shortcut of) invented beliefs, so-called knowledge. Whereas those who are individuating look for understanding through inner and outer experimentation and validated empirical evidence, which is a much more arduous process for arriving at knowledge of anything, but produces an understanding that is aligned with actuality. And those in the spiritual stage move beyond the focus to understand reality, desiring instead direct union with existence itself.
Interestingly enough, Neptune and Jupiter are in a way key planets in Darwin's chart. This is because the Aquarius 2nd house points (Sun/Pallas/Chiron) are ruled by the Scorpio 11th house Uranus, which is ruled by the Pisces 3rd house Pluto (which along with all the other Pisces 3rd house Mercury/Ceres/Juno/Jupiter) is ruled by the Sagittarius 12th house
(which along with all the other Sagittarius points Saturn/ASC/SNs of Uranus & Mars) is ruled by
, which is ruled by Neptune … those two being in mutual reception, and so there the zodiac rulership trail stops, endlessly looping on those two planets. The only parts of the chart not disposited (ultimately ruled) by Jupiter or Neptune are …
a) the Capricorn 2nd house Moon - being ruled by Saturn (yet since Saturn is part of the rulership trail described above that drags the Moon into it anyway), and
b) the Taurus 5th house SN being ruled by Aries 3rd house Venus (which along with Vesta) is ruled by the Libra 10th house Mars, which is ruled by Venus (those two also being in mutual reception and endlessly looping on one another).
So it is only this last small SN/Venus/Mars cluster of energy that is truly outside the rulership chain of Jupiter and Neptune. This highlights that Jupiter and Neptune have become central to Darwin's whole chart in his life, and the reason for this stems from his very distant past.
We know that for many, many lives now Darwin has been focussed on mental experience and development (packed 3rd house stellium of Mercury, Pallas, Ceres, Juno, Jupiter and Pluto). But why was Jupiter in this 3rd house situation?
Firstly we can see as part of this, that whatever Darwin's beliefs (Jupiter) were, they were obviously enmeshed in this long history of mental development. Having such a stellium like that in the 3rd house would always indicate intense mental development had occurred prior to the current life for one reason or another - even if Pluto wasn't involved, it would just be to a lesser extent. But a major factor here with Pluto being involved shows us that this prior process of mental development has been deeply on-going, that it has become an issue at the core Soul level, a part of the Soul's evolutionary journey. And because beliefs belong to the mental realm, Darwin's beliefs will no doubt have roots in this process which has been unfolding throughout many recent past lives.
However another factor is that Jupiter is in a new conjunction to Pluto, which shows us a new cycle between Jupiter and Pluto is just beginning, because the entire previous cycle of development between these two planets has very recently culminated. Again, this points to a long succession of lives where the formation and development of beliefs and understanding has been playing out, and which very recently has completed. With Jupiter being at the beginning of a new cycle of understanding at the Soul level (new conjunction), a great deal of openness in regard to understanding and beliefs would be present, and there would not yet be any new beliefs formed. So basically the only full formed beliefs Darwin would have then would be one's he had developed throughout that previous Jupiter/Pluto cycle that has recently completed. Before looking at what that process would have been about in more detail, let's first dig further into the Soul's past to see why that recently completed Jupiter/Pluto cycle had even come into being, what was its cause.
To see that we'll have to look at the SNs of both those planets (Pluto and Jupiter). And here it gets very interesting, as we find the SN of Jupiter is in a close balsamic conjunction to Pluto! This introduces another fully culminated cycle of Jupiter and Pluto from the even
more distant
past. So what was that much older process all about, what were the understandings and beliefs formed way back then? To answer that we'll need to go into the primary situations in those more distant past lives.
In those lives the Soul has been concerned with core survival issues (SN of Pluto, the anchor –slowest- point in the conjunction, is in the 2nd house). The main process of the 2nd house is identification of what is needed to survive, which sorts out what are the most important things in life, and are therefore the most valuable for a person. The solidification (2nd is an Earth house) of this results in one's "values". What is valued however naturally also conditions a person's beliefs. If I don't have enough clothing to protect myself from the elements and keep healthy, then clothing becomes very valuable to me and it becomes very important to conserve it as much as possible. It will also tend to make me think that clothing is more important than food to survive – not because it necessarily is in an objective way for everybody, but because for
it is. Over time that way of thinking will also solidify (Earth) into a "belief" – a fixed idea, or fixed group of logically connected ideas (a concept), which I think is always true. It may in fact be true, or it may not be. But being a belief, whether it is or not I will continue to think it is regardless (Jupiter).
So firstly, what would the issues of those
very distant
past lives, preceding the recently completed Jupiter/Pluto cycle, have been about? The SN Pluto and the cusp of the 2nd are both in Capricorn so we know the Soul's issues in those lives will have had a lot to do with tangible realities (Earth sign), structure and goals, self-determination, it's local world situation & how it was run, authority, status etc (Capricorn). This is further reinforced by SN Pluto being conjunct the SN of Saturn. This creates a lot of Capricorn vibration around those 2nd house issues, probably too much for all those factors to have been in balance. This then indicates those lives would have involved many of the negative sides to Capricorn - the Soul being either in a dominanting position, or otherwise a subordinate position, in relation to the world.
Since both SN Pluto and SN Saturn are squaring Mars in the 10th (SN Saturn very closely), and the 10th being the natural Capricorn house, it would have been the latter - lives involving struggle, suppression, cruelty, excessive discipline by, and submission to, the authorities of those times – and it's likely whatever individuality he had was crushed (Saturn). This is further reinforced when we see that Saturn, the ruler of the SN Pluto and SN Saturn, is in the 12th house conjunct Neptune, indicating a great deal of time was spent alone in isolation. As the 12th house correlates externally (amongst other things) to institutions, and given the state of societies in those times, we can safely assume a significant amount of that time in isolation was spent in prison, monasteries etc. (Further reasons for and mechanisms involving this have been gone into in more detail in previous posts)
These were the issues at that more distant period in the Soul's evolution. So how would the beliefs of the Soul at that time have been conditioned by this survival process? In this life of Darwin the Soul is in the 3rd sub-stage of the Individuated stage of consciousness. But back in those distant past lives it would have inevitably been at a prior stage of consciousness, most likely consensus. Therefore the Soul's beliefs would have been more or less based on the level of herd instinct – safety in numbers, jostling within the herd hierarchy for the optimum position in the pecking order, believing without question the accepted viewpoint on most matters etc. Therefore the Soul would have taken the life experiences it had back then very literally (both Capricorn and the 2nd house are of the Earth element). Thus the Soul would have believed that life was incredibly tough, that survival was all that mattered, that material possessions were God, on a personality level that "who" they were was an unchangeable reality, that the way society was structured was unalterable, that the country it belonged to was home even if it was hell, and at worst, that this whole view of life was all that life could ever be (Capricorn correlates to depression).
To see how this survival process would have conditioned the Soul's distant beliefs let's examine the condition of the ruler of the SN Jupiter/SN Pluto conjunction in Capricorn 2nd – another look at Saturn again but this time as it relates to understanding and beliefs. Given what we have discovered above, Saturn in the 12th house in Sagittarius tends to indicate that the Soul would have been struggling (Saturn) with understanding (Sagittarius) things of a 12th house nature, which was likely to have been things such as being persecuted, feeling helpless, feeling lost, loneliness, feeling a victim, possibly feeling suicidal at times. But Saturn being in a balsamic conjunction to Neptune shows even that situation was not new!! … Neptune is the natural ruler of the 12th. The further down the rabbit hole we go here, the further back in time we end up. However now we finally start to see where Darwin's beliefs were probably originally seeded, and what they were all about.
With Saturn ruling the SNs of Jupiter and Pluto, this culminated Saturn/Neptune cycle shows that during those same series of
very distant
lives during which the Soul had such intense 2nd house issues going on, it has also been trying to find meaning, even inspiration, within the mundane reality of life, within the struggle to survive, despite it's oppressive situations. That the anchor planet, Neptune, is also in the 12th indicates however that things had gone beyond simply looking for "inspiration" (the Pisces principle now being extra emphasised). Given that Saturn is the ruler of the oppressive 2nd house issues, this indicates that the Soul had become extremely disillusioned with the whole of life itself. But why was this? The cause for that will be shown by the situation of the SN's of Saturn and Neptune respectively.
As far as Saturn goes, it was SN of Saturn which brought us to the 12th house in the first place. And we know the SN Saturn was to do with survival struggles, with value formation. So we'll need to examine Neptune's SN for fresh information regarding this total disillusionment with life. And we see the SN of Neptune is almost exactly conjunct Chiron in the 2nd – in a nutshell wounding from the survival/value formation process, back even further in the Soul's history – in its
very distant, distant
past. But also being in Aquarius and square it's ruler, Uranus, in the 11th house confirms that this struggle for survival during those
very, very distant
lives was indeed exceptionally traumatic (the Aquarius principle correlates to trauma), and additionally with Uranus being in Scorpio that back then this trauma had penetrated down to the core Soul level.
So here we have arrived at the bottom line issue of those
very, very distant
lifetimes. It was this deepest wounding to the Soul of its self-reliance, self-esteem (2nd), self-determination (Cap on 2nd house cusp), and thus it's individuality (the Aquarius/Uranus/11th factors), that motivated the Soul to look for something beyond the mundane, shown by the culminated Saturn/Neptune cycle in the 12th. This soul wounding would also have provoked the Soul into wanting to understand (Jupiter) life much more (the Saturn/Neptune conjunction is in Sagittarius). Thus the urge to find inspiration in life (Neptune), probably through escape had become joined to the urge to understand life (Jupiter), but again not in a vacuum – it was initially driven into being by the torturous 2nd house conditions the Soul endured for so many lives in its very, very distant past.
So now retracing our steps - from the deep wounding that occurred in the 2nd house in the Soul's very, very distant past, back to the less remote but still more distant 12th house efforts to escape from mundane reality, and the corresponding cycle of learning and attempted growth this produced (SN Jupiter conjunct SN Pluto in Capricorn). With the SN of Pluto in the 2nd the factors of survival, values and self – esteem were still the central issues, but with the SN of Jupiter being in the 1st we can see that the Soul had now "awoken" to itself to a degree – it had identified itself as it's most promising resource in those lifetimes, in terms of learning and attempting to expand it's understanding of how the world worked (SN Jupiter in Capricorn). The Soul would have started to ask questions about its society, about it's reality, and then pondered over possible answers until it came up with something that seemed right.
So that SN Jupiter/SN Pluto cycle would have been when the Soul deeply studied how society actually worked, in order to enhance it's survival prospects. And because the ruler (Saturn) is in Sag no doubt it was in those distant lifetimes that the Soul left the stability of it's 2nd house oppressive situations and ventured away from it's home to other parts of the country, and eventually onto journeys to new lands and cultures. Through these journeys the Soul would have found all the things described by the ruler of the SN Jupiter/SN Pluto conjunction (Saturn in Sag 12th conjunct Neptune) – escape, inspiration, exposure to other lifestyles, learning, and an expansion of possibilities and understanding. And slowly but surely this would have dramatically altered the Soul's core beliefs about life - that life was always hardship, that survival was all that mattered, that material possessions were God, on a personality level that "who" they were was an unchangeable reality, that the way society was structured was unalterable, that the country it belonged to was home even if it was hell, and at worst, that this whole view of life was all that life could ever be etc. This changing of the Soul's core beliefs would have developed once the Soul took some initiative, shown by SN Jupiter in the 1st house.
And possibly this was the point that the Soul made the initial movement towards individuation, moving into the transition between the Consensus stage and the Individuated stage. This is reaffirmed by the SNs of Mars and Uranus being in Sagittarius in the 1st house, showing that the Soul's breakout from it's prison-like conditions through learning to think about the bigger picture for itself (SN Jup in 1st) was both an act of courage against the prevailing societal opinions and beliefs (SN Mars Sag 1st exact square Jupiter in 3rd) and also an act of mental defiance (SN Uranus Sag 1st closely squaring Pluto in the 3rd) as the Soul started to strike out independently in a search for a better life, but also a better understanding of life.
So now we can return to the Soul's latest past lives during which the recently culminated Jupiter/Pluto cycle had been playing out. And now we know the deep history that has brought this cycle into being. Namely the Soul breaking out on its own (1st) in search for more meaning in life via a huge (Sagittarius, Jupiter) desire to escape (Neptune) from the mundane (2nd house issues, Taurus on 6th) – the result of a courageous and defiant (Aquarius, Uranus, Mars, 1st) reaction which had arisen up within the Soul as a result of years of struggle and hardship (Capricorn, Saturn) which the Soul had believed (Jupiter) in for a very great number of lives out of sheer necessity because that was the Soul's primary experience for such a long time.
So now we are back to this most recently culminated cycle of Jupiter and Pluto, which would have occurred in lives closely prior to the life of Darwin. This cycle would have been all about the Soul opening its doors to life in order to allow it's pent up frustrations and suffering from all the previous lifetimes room to finally breathe and be expressed. Hence Jupiter/Pluto is in Pisces, reflecting the now strong urges the Soul had accumulated for escape, but also for an all-inclusive view, and for genuine inspiration, and also due to the Soul's now long association with the combined Sagittarius/Pisces vibration (the mutual reception of Neptune in Sag/12th, Jupiter in Pisces) - the urge for a true understanding of life based on an experience of oneness. The Soul was most likely to have found travel in nature and other cultures (ruler of Pluto, Neptune in Sag) a natural situation in which it could have experienced this. During its travels the Soul would have encountered many new and foreign phenomena, cultures and viewpoints of all kinds. This would have challenged the Soul's mental horizons and ability to comprehend its experiences. It would have exposed it to bigotry and prejudice of all kinds, that of other people and also its own. The Soul would have initiated many relationships as it explored its changing surroundings and the situations (3rd house) it found itself in. And besides positive interactions with others, when viewpoints and beliefs that differed too much were involved inevitably the Soul would have had negative interactions, which would have left unresolved karma for the Soul. This most recent Jupiter/Pluto cycle would have been a cycle of ever expanding mental horizons (Jupiter) as the Soul moved from a focus on the cosmos (ruler of Pluto, Neptune in the 12th) to the immediate (Pluto in 3rd), and then back again, in an ever changing kaleidoscope of revolving experience and meaning (Jupiter in it's changing aspects to Pluto as the entire cycle between them unfolded).
So that was what was happening as a result of that recently culminated Jupiter/Pluto cycle in the group of lives most prior to Darwin. If we look now at the life
before the Soul incarnated as Darwin, we see in that chart (as per Rad, the life of the Soul prior to Darwin was William Dampier) a Sagittarius Ascendant and the Moon in the 9th, Jupiter in the 12th conjunct the ASC trine Mercury, and Neptune in the 1st in Sagittarius (the independent traveling, with an interest in both the right brained metaphysical and religious, and as well logical left brain, experience). And Jupiter (higher mind) is in a Gibbous opposition to Pluto (in Gemini – lower mind) approaching the Full phase. This shows the full blown hunger for knowledge, the desire for growth, understanding and expansion that was coming to peak in the Soul's life as Dampier. And with Mars & the SN in in the 10th (self-determination), and the ruler of the SN (Venus) in gibbous opposition again to Jupiter, the desire for fulfilment of the Jupiter/Pluto energies in this life would have been further heightened and intensified. And indeed, we know from history that Dampier pursued this goal (Mars in 10th) with an amazingly single minded desperation, circumnavigating the world by ship three times (which was a world first), hardly spending much time on land at all.
Such was the intensity with which Dampier pursued his Jupiter/Pluto desires for understanding and knowledge of nature, and an experience of the vast spaces of life - via the open sea and sky (Jupiter in 12th) - that by the time the Soul reincarnated as Darwin in it's next life the Jupiter/Pluto desires had all been effectively fulfilled on that level and thus culminated, and so Darwin was born with a brand new Jupiter/Pluto cycle at his disposal. We can also see in Dampier's chart the karma that had been accumulated with people (Pluto in the 7th and SN Moon and Mars in Libra), and this was carried through into Darwin's life with Mars still in Libra, and the SN Moon in Taurus with Venus (relating) being the ruler (Venus was also the ruler of Dampier's SN in Libra). Through travelling so extensively Dampier was also seeking an exotic and liberating experience of himself (Uranus conjunct Neptune, and also the PPP all being in the 1st), something that would set him free (all in Sagittarius). But rather what he would have found was an endless world of natural wonders, many amazing parallels yet just as many enigmas, a great deepening of his intuitive powers, and many fascinating yet unexplained mysteries. While he had no planets in the 3rd house, he had Mercury in the 8th house, and Jupiter in the 12th – he wanted to penetrate and understand these mysteries. And while his 3rd house was empty, it had Pisces intercepted in it … unknowing to Dampier perhaps, but the Soul was indeed preparing for many mysteries to be explained, because in the next life Darwin also had Pisces intercepted in the 3rd house, but this time with a full arsenal of energies to provide the explanations - Mercury balsamic conjunct Pluto new conjunct Jupiter. And this finally, was why Jupiter was in this 3rd house situation.
And in the life of Darwin everything was ready for the explanation of mysteries to happen. Along with the Soul's many, many previous journeys in nature, Dampier's wild journeys had by and large regenerated the Soul's individuality to a full and functional state (Darwin had SN Moon in 5th -- the Leo house - with it's ruler in Aries; and Mars was still in the 10th – a full unimpeded determination to pursue his desires; and again a Sagittarian Ascendant – in summary, plenty of self-centred fire in operation). And all these journeys would have slowly but surely wiped his mind clear of a great deal of its prejudice. Nature doesn't argue, it just is, and he would have dealt with it in many recent life journeys. We can also see that the Soul's ancient wound to it's self-esteem (which had since had emotional wounding added to it, as described in past posts) has been brought forward and emphasised for attention and healing in this life (Chiron in 2nd is square the Moon's Nodal axis).
So what would Darwin's beliefs have been? How much of those ancient Soul memories would still be manifesting as beliefs? He had some beliefs of course, but by and large Darwin was a free man. As discussed previously Darwin knew in his bones not to take survival for granted, and had manoeuvred himself to be born into wealth (SN Taurus 5th, Moon in Cap 2nd), which took the pressure off in that regard and he no longer needed to believe in striving for a better life anymore – he now had one.
He also demonstrated strong religious beliefs (Saturn/Neptune in 12th). But that is perhaps where strong dogmatic beliefs ended with Darwin. This Soul has had such a battering so many distant lives ago, followed recently by a massive internal rebellion, that at least as far as the external world was concerned it's mind has become much more open and flexible (the massive mutability of the Pisces 3rd house stellium). With Leo on the 9th house cusp there would be a certain fixity (wilfulness) about finding the truth, but also a certain nobility and generousness (Leo) with regard to open-mindedness and fairness in that process (9th house cusp ruler the Sun in Aquarius).
But as we know, Darwin didn't actually waste time becoming attached to beliefs at all. Instead generally speaking he was a very "reasonable" man in his view of the world and the people in his life, because he could see things from different sides (3rd house) and didn't have a dogmatic mind full of fixed beliefs. With Jupiter in a new conjunction to Pluto, he was now in this life more of an open book, ready to consider endless new possibilities in the interpretation of the thousands of facts he collected about everything that interested him (Mercury is balsamic to Pluto so he was now an expert in factual collection and organisation etc). But rather than get bogged down with beliefs, Darwin preferred to invest in painstaking mental discipline and experimentation (this Mercury conjunct Pluto square Saturn) as a pathway to mental certainty and understanding (Jupiter), and the strong religious convictions he had from childhood onwards gradually died a natural and mostly painless death much later on the altar of such scientific enquiry.
Darwin was also constantly reminded about the uncertainty of anything in life when his most beloved daughter died at 10, and also on an on-going basis via his ill-health for which he never found a cure. These things made him even more determined to penetrate to some greater reality before he died (Uranus new conjunct resolution NN Moon in Scorpio), and the stronger that desire for truth (Jupiter/Pluto in Pisces; ruler Neptune in Sagittarius 12th, PPP in 9th) became the less he believed in anything. His Soul had suffered so much in its deep past because of his own (and other people's) beliefs that he has needed to break free in a hugely intelligent reaction to such manmade limitations. So instead Darwin never assumed he was automatically right. In his quest for truth he voluntarily constructed belief after belief (hypotheses), testing each one in turn for logical consistency, for repeatable validation by experiment, and for objective verification with others in the scientific community (Jupiter gibbous sesquiquadrate NN/Uranus conjunction in 11th).
Nevertheless there was great opposition throughout society to his findings, which threatened the safety of himself and his family (Mars Full phase quincunx Jupiter). And with Jupiter sextile his Moon, it would have been very understandable if he had stopped his quest for the truth, and instead let any remaining unproven hypotheses gradually solidify within into his own private beliefs. Here though is a fascinating insight into how completely the old beliefs that the Soul had from threats to it's survival in those distant past lives (that survival was all that mattered, that there was safety in numbers, that the way society was structured was unalterable etc) had been deeply eradicated from the Soul's mental structure. Because every trigger to revert back into those beliefs was now present, yet Darwin never really flinched. He felt the fear and carried on anyway, with more intensity and determination than ever. We can be grateful that not only did he make such great advancements in science, but that he did it at great personal cost to his sense of security, which as mentioned at the beginning, since the advent of patriarchy has been the primary motivation for trying to understand (Jupiter) universal phenomena in the first place. And if Darwin had been a man of beliefs he would have collapsed back into them in his life.
His courage however (Mars) to reject popular belief in the face of such pressure to conform (quincunx) was simply heroic (Jupiter). In fact, by and large Darwin's life was essentially a process of reacting to beliefs as much as possible – in the external world that is – and he became a truly great scientist as a result. It was this approach that allowed him to finally reach his goal and find the unifying truth about biological nature that he so famously did, finally reaching the 9th house PPP and eventually receiving universal recognition for his vast overview and deep understanding of biology and nature (Leo on 9th cusp). This is why Darwin's Jupiter was in Pisces.
blessings Upasika
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Hi Upasika,
My god Upasika what a breathtaking understanding of the evolutionary journey of the Soul of Darwin from the distant past, as you brilliantly delineated, to the intermediate past, that then lead to the life of Darwin. The EA reasoning that you employed along the way, the entire journey, is a simply deep as it is utterly accurate.
By supplying the actual historical context of the evolutionary journey for Darwin's Soul that lead to his revolutionary/ evolutionary book that shook the world at that time you have so wonderfully demonstrated the real and total capacity and power of the Evolutionary Astrology brought forth by JWG. This is how it is meant to be done. In so doing you, with the others in our little group now, are literally TEACHING EA to all those that have been and are reading this thread. I know that JWG would thank you from the bottom of his heart and Soul because of this.
My hat is off to you.
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Sep 09, 2013, 03:29 PM »
Hi Rad,
Thank you very much, I really appreciate that ... somehow I just click with Darwin (and this was also probably one of my better efforts). But I'm very grateful for being able to learn EA via Jeffrey's two books, and without whom Astrology as such would have remained so much the poorer; and then from your simply wonderful expertise and tireless guidance, which to me is an amazing gift you give to all who come here.
I know I've also learnt heaps from the interaction with and exposure to everyone here on the MB - learnings of all kinds from what others post has been so invaluable (and over quite a long time such a variety of approaches has also helped me find my own). As well everyone here has created such a friendly and fertile environment in which to learn, and I'm also very grateful for that - without it I doubt if I'd have stuck with this and learnt much at all. It's such a good feeling being part of such a great community.
blessings Upasika
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Hello group,
I am once again sorry for being so late, as I have once again been experiencing a number of obstacles and difficult personal events. I wanted to make sure to post something on Darwin's Jupiter, though, so this is all I have been able to come up with so far. I do intend to finish to the end of this thread, and hope to have better timing on our next topic of Saturn.
Darwin was born with a Jupiter in Pisces, a powerfully resonant placement for the Jupiter archetypal meaning in EA connected with interpretation of the phenomenal nature of reality, and the right hemisphere of the brain that is linked to non-linear and image-based thinking. In the sign of Pisces, Jupiter is in a comfortable home for this intention because of how Pisces archetypally is able to interpret phenomenal reality in a non-linear manner that can go beyond the consensus constraints of the culture one is born into. In the case of Darwin, this is even more pronounced as he has a Pisces Mercury in a balsamic phase with his Jupiter, as well as a Pisces Pluto his Jupiter is in new phase with. Moreover, Darwin had a Leo ninth house that is ruled by his Aquarius Sun in his second house- all together giving him the astrological ingredients that would help draw him to objectify, revolutionize, and reformulate the modern worldview concerning creation itself, while theorizing the existence of an evolution within phenomenal reality.
It is further interesting that at the time of his birth, an astrologer would have seen his Jupiter as being in its own rulership in the sign of Pisces, and even more interesting to me that the planet Neptune was discovered in the time period leading up to the publication of his "Origin of Species." An astrologer at the time of his birth may have drawn great significance to his Sagitarius Saturn rising above the horizon at his time of birth, not knowing that the planet Neptune would also have been located in the same vicinity- in fact Neptune is pretty close to directly on the horizon at his time of birth. With his Pisces Jupiter ruling his first house, and his Sagitarius Neptune being conjunct Saturn at the end of his twelfth house, in range of a conjunction with his ascendant, Darwin had a loaded Pisces Jupiter in mutual reception with his Sagitarius Neptune. When we integrate the modern Neptune rulership of Pisces used by EA, we end up with a feedback loop occurring in Darwin's chart through delineation between Neptune and Jupiter, in the mutable synthesizing signs of Sagitarius and Pisces. Could we expect anything less from a man who changed not only the face of science, but the modern worldview as well with his evolutionary theories?
His Pisces Jupiter is the ruler of his ascendant and first house in Sagitarius, so his Jupiter is vital in the way he instinctually presents himself to the world and can be viewed by others. With his Jupiter in his third house, it goes very well with the sort of obsessive and groundbreaking scientist he not only took on as an identity, but deeply embodied in order to manifest tangible results to support his scientific theories. His first house also contains the South nodes of Uranus and Mars, both of which are then also ruled by his Pisces Jupiter. This signifies a deep soul pattern of striking out independently and instinctively on his own in order to investigate and explore nature and natural law, ultimately synthesizing the knowledge from his experiences into his Pisces Jupiter belief system. However, since these two south nodes are conjunct the asteroid Kassandra, it also points to a mythic storyline that has been repeating for him involving something along the lines of not being believed- having important information related to survival or ultimate understanding to offer his community, but to have a fate like Kassandra in which he is not actually believed. Thus, Charles Darwin with his Pisces Jupiter would be determined to prove the validity of his insights and theories by collecting extensive scientific evidence to support his theories.
In connection to his Pisces Jupiter and the manner in which he interprets phenomenal reality, it is imperative to consider how he communicates his understanding through his Pisces Mercury in a balsamic phase with his Pisces Jupiter. For one, in line with a balsamic moon phase, it would at times lead him into depression and dark frames of mind, as he would have the pattern in life of questioning and then clearing out deeply set perspectives and beliefs he had picked up from his family, culture, perhaps even past lives. This balsamic phase of not only interpreting phenomenal reality but communicating it would lend itself to the formation of a new vision that Darwin would be bringing in to explain to society concerning phenomenal reality. We can see the significance and importance of this new vision in his chart through the new phase conjunction between Pisces Pluto and Pisces Jupiter. Because his Pisces Jupiter is connected to the deep soul desires of a Pisces Pluto in a new phase, this new vision would not be entirely clear to him, but he would gain the Virgo-polarity of greater clarity and discernment as he wandered further upon his path. This goes with how he drifted into religious studies, but ultimately let go of interest in religious studies, and then somehow managed to find a way to travel by sea to observe and collect research in the same exact location as the sea explorer William Dampier before him. This new phase conjunction of Pluto and Jupiter in Pisces utilizing a balsamic Pisces Mercury is a sign that the most productive path for Darwin will involve questioning and releasing past perceptions and beliefs about phenomenal reality he comes to realize do not align with his sense of the truth from experience, synthesizing his understanding through discernment gained by presence in the moment and attention to detail, in a Virgo manner. And although he intended to do this through the often linear field of science, because of having a Pisces Mercury, Pluto, and Jupiter, Darwin would be able to come to his realizations in a non-linear manner that was guided by image-based observations of environments and species living within.
In fact, with an Aquarius Sun ruling his ninth house of Leo, this connects to the previously discussed soul intention he had to throw off restrictive and limiting beliefs concerning the nature of phenomenal reality and creation that dominated consensus thought from sources such as religion that imposed a Biblical interpretation of order upon phenomenal reality. As we have also discussed, his Aquarius Sun is in a balsamic phase with his Capricorn Moon, a further symbol of objectifying and releasing conditioned thought. With his ninth house ruled by Leo, it is a sign of how Solar and powerful a presence he developed for himself in terms of the Pisces Jupiter theories of belief he developed- still today he is seen as a scientific "sun" in a way in which all sorts of theories continue to revolve around. His Aquarius Sun being in his second house connects with the fact his belief system was very much focused upon issues of survival and resources.
Since Darwin's Pisces Jupiter is ruled by a Sagitarius Neptune conjunct Saturn, both of which are further ruled by his Pisces Jupiter, it is also important to jump ahead a bit here (since we haven't covered Saturn and Neptune yet on this thread) and integrate Neptune and Saturn into the meaning of his Pisces Jupiter. These rulerships further point to the significance of the structure of Darwin's consciousness being focused upon Natural Law, giving his Aquarius Sun the purpose to use his Pisces Jupiter to interpret phenomenal reality into a theory and belief system that is closer to actual reality than the beliefs of the culturally dominant paradigm surrounding him in society, from influences such as dogmatic religious interpretations of phenomenal reality. Neptune as the ruler of his Pisces Jupiter is a symbol of how he himself experienced what happens when one follows a certain belief system only to experience disillusionment and a depressive or chaotic state in which ultimately a new pattern of belief will develop that would help him find greater alignment with the truth of his experience- the conjunction of Neptune with Saturn in Sagitarius could be seen as an ultimate strength after experiencing some initial limitations or tests. With his Pisces Jupiter ruling this Sagitarius conjunction of Neptune-Saturn, he would do this through extensive research and obssessive documentation of scientific results and observations in support of his theory. In the end the movement toward the Virgo polarity point into the ninth house with Leo on the cusp, ruled by an Aquarius Sun- all of this shows how this detailed focus and discernment of research could ultimately be communicated to the world in a manner that would help throw off past limitations of conditioned thought surrounding the nature of phenomenal reality.
Looking at the South Node of Jupiter, it is in Capricorn and the 1st house, and so ruled by this same Sagitarius Saturn that is conjunct Neptune and also ruled by his Pisces Jupiter, which in turn is ruled by his Sagitarius Neptune, which in turn is ruled by his Pisces Jupiter, and so on . . . again we come back to this feedback loop that Darwin was able to utilized in a powerful manner to propel the research in support of his groundbreaking theories forward. His Capricorn Moon that is balsamic to his Aquarius Sun is conjunct this South Node of Jupiter, and so again part of the past clearing Darwin was doing in his life in preparation for his new vision had to do with his own past patterns of belief that were highly influenced by conditioning factors of the society in which he lived. This point is further supported by his Capricorn Moon being in a last quarter sextile to his Pisces Jupiter, as this is an aspect that would give him the opportunity to make the choice to transition from past patterns into a more productive path and purpose. This last quarter sextile would also make it possible for him to resist this transition, so he would also experience some steps back, in his process of stepping forward. However, I think it is clear from the life of Darwin that he ultimately was able to make choices to place him on a productive path.
A more intense aspect with his Pisces Jupiter is it being in sesquiquadrate to his Scorpio Uranus in his 11th house, as well as his North Node of the Moon in Scorpio. In contrast to some of the other aspects involving his Pisces Jupiter, this is more of a humbling one that could even humiliate his sense of egotistic pride. The underlying purpose for the crises that could correspond with this aspect would be to help him ultimately align himself to a greater extent with the needs of the greater social environment. We have discussed the fact that in past lives, such as the willful sea explorer William Dampier, his Soul could have been more resistant to aligning with the needs of the social environment and more focused on needs of the self. The most productive path and purpose for Charles Darwin, however, was to modify his natural individualized sense of purpose to better meet the needs of his surrounding environment. As a result, Darwin created a form for his research, and fit his findings into patterns, theories, and structures that would help liberate consensus thought from crystallized conditioned beliefs that were ultimately very limiting concerning the nature of phenomenal reality. The sesquiquadrate between his Scorpio Uranus, ruled by his Pisces Pluto, and his Pisces Jupiter corresponds to the intensity of experiences Darwin sufferred through at times and the depths of despair he faced within himself. The intensity of these experiences, however, were in the end just part of his process of pushing forward with expressing his new vision into society on a grand level.
Finally, working in a couple of significant Goddesses into the mix, Darwin had a Pisces Juno balsamic conjunct his Pisces Jupiter, with a Pisces Ceres conjunct Pluto that is in a balsamic phase with his Pisces Jupiter. As we have previously discussed in relation to both Darwin's Aries Venus and Libra Mars, the Juno balsamic conjunction with Jupiter in Pisces, in his third house, is another indication that Darwin would desire to have a female partner in life with whom he could discuss his philosophical theories and musings. It would be important for her to not only have interest in his ideas, but to also have the intellectual capacity to hold space with him to discuss the enormous questions he was asking himself about phenomenal reality. As we have also discussed, Darwin did manage to find this sort of a partner in his wife. Pisces Ceres being in a balsamic relationship with Jupiter is a sign to me that his past pattern of obsessively clinging and grasping to his intellectual speculation and research would be something he would be beginning to clear and let go of in his life of Charles Darwin, as part of the new phase vision of the relationship between his Pisces Pluto and Jupiter. Darwin was still obsessive about his research and productivity, but through forming a family, and facing tragic loss of children in a manner similar to Ceres in myth, at various points Darwin had to let go and re-center himself in his family environment, taking a break from his obsessive intellectual pursuits.
Rad remarked that the phenomenon of conception and abstraction is a Jupiter process, and Charles Darwin was able in the end to use the strong non-linear interpretation of his Pisces Jupiter to conceive a theory that asked and answered extraordinary questions concerning phenomenal reality, and attempted to explain the evolution of life on our planet.
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Sep 10, 2013, 08:43 AM »
Hi Gray,
First, thanks for taking the time, amongst the personal issues that you spoke of, to do this segment of the planetary method for the life of Darwin.
Your EA analysis of Darwin's Jupiter, and all of it's other connections in full, is exceptionally sound and of course correct. Your EA reasoning is as accurate as it is impeccable. One of the dynamics that you brought up that very important to understand in the evolutionary progression of Darwin's Soul relative to 'beliefs' versus the actual knowing of any phenomenal reality summarized by you in this statement:
"However, since these two south nodes are conjunct the asteroid Kassandra, it also points to a mythic storyline that has been repeating for him involving something along the lines of not being believed- having important information related to survival or ultimate understanding to offer his community, but to have a fate like Kassandra in which he is not actually believed. Thus, Charles Darwin with his Pisces Jupiter would be determined to prove the validity of his insights and theories by collecting extensive scientific evidence to support his theories."
Exactly so.
This is how EA is meant to be done.
Bravo !!
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Sep 10, 2013, 08:48 AM »
Hi Ari, Gonzalo, Gray, and Upasika ....
Ok, we will now continue in our next step in the planetary method: Saturn.
Saturn correlates to forms as reflected in the natural law of gravity. Gravity is thus the determinant of form. Form then correlates to functions: the structural nature of form is determined by necessary functions relative to an organized whole. Consciousness, Neptune, that manifests from Pluto, the Soul, that manifests through the form of the humanoid is thus limited by the nature of that form as defined by the inherent functions of that form. From an evolutionary point of view, this then correlates to the limits of any form that requires the changing of form for the evolution of consciousness to proceed.
Saturn correlates to the structural nature of consciousness that the Soul determines from life to life because the specific structural nature of consciousness will then be orientated to 'reality' is such a way that it then reflects the ongoing evolutionary needs and requirements of the Soul itself. Thus, by house, sign, and aspects to the natal Saturn, the sign on the 10th house cusp, any planets in the 10th with their own aspects to the planets, will all correlate to this structure.
The S.Node of Saturn, which all humans on the planet share during this epic, all correlate to the transition from natural times, the matriarchy, to the patriarchy: S.Node of Saturn being in Capricorn. Individually, the S.Node of Saturn by house, and the aspects to it from other planets, correlate to the prior live structural nature of the consciousness of the Soul that applies to the current life ongoing evolutionary needs and requirements of the Soul.
Saturn correlates the nature of the 'conditions' that the Soul chooses to be born into that reflect the evolutionary needs of the Soul, and how this conditioning reflects those intentions. The nature of this conditioning reflects the totality of the society or culture, country, and regions with countries that impacts on the Soul in this way.
One of those conditionings is reflected in the fact that humans live together as structured groups: societies, tribes, countries and, as such, correlates to the social role that all humans have on behalf of that society: thus the role of that Soul choses in any given life that reflects its evolutionary needs and intentions. That role on behalf of society, and on behalf of the individual context of each Soul, correlates to the work or 'career' that the Soul uses relative to facilitating in ongoing evolutionary needs.
This then correlates to the formation of goals or ambitions of the Soul relative to it's individual station within the context of the whole of the group, and the means necessary to actualize those goals and ambitions. Each country or society has it's own socially accepted norms and customs that the consensus of the society our country has established that then correlates to whatever means must be used, as prescribed by society, to actualize the individual goals and ambitions reflected in the choices that the Soul makes for itself: it's career, work, or role within the context of the country or society of birth.
In turn this then correlates to the interfacing between the role of authority, as defined by society, parents, and the authority of the soul itself, and how the Soul responds or reacts to these external authorities.
Because Saturn correlates to the nature of laws, customs, norms and taboos that any group of people create in order to live together as an organized whole that then become the basis of judgments made by the individual or the group: or judgments made by the individual within itself. The issue then becomes one wherein are the judgments being made are a function of made beliefs with all the attending moralities, ethics, rights and wrongs, etc, or judgments that emanate from natural laws? Judgments are necessary and a part of natural consciousness in human form. It is one of the natural ways that correlate to self-knowledge, and knowledge upon the nature of anything.
Saturn correlates with the very nature of time itself. Time is nothing more than that motion itself where motion equals time. One of the functions of time, motion, is aging. This natural aging as defined by motion, time, naturally leads to crystallization wherein the nature of whatever forms exist no longer reflect the evolutionary imperatives of the whole, or the individual. This then leads to the necessity of change, of evolving new forms and structures. As a natural function of time leading to necessary evolutionary change the consciousness of the Soul in human form creates reflection. Reflection is thus natural to consciousness for it leads the awareness of what needs to change in order for evolution to proceed: of that which is crystallized. Reflection also allows consciousness to learn through the vehicle of hindsight. Because reflection infers the evolutionary necessity to change in order to evolve this then directly correlates to a consciousness feeling limited or blocked by the very nature of it's existing conditions, within itself, and external to itself, which can then lead to depression within the consciousness of the Soul. This is intentional from the point of view of Natural Laws, the laws set in motion by the Creator of All Things, in order for the Soul to make the changes necessary for it's evolution to proceed.
Saturn also correlates to gender assignment as either defined by the nature of the culture, society, or tribe of birth and/or natural laws. Thus gender conditioning either through artificial conditioning as a reflection of norms, customs, and taboos that are made by men as a function of beliefs versus conditioning relative to natural laws: natural male or female.
With all of this in mind let's now create an EA analysis of the structural nature of the Soul consciousness of Darwin, and how that structural nature symbolizes his ongoing evolutionary development and needs: desires.
If you have any questions please ask them of me now.
God Bless, Rad
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Sep 15, 2013, 11:01 AM »
Hi Rad, will you clarify some more what you meant here? The linkage between motion and time:
Time is nothing more than that motion itself where motion equals time. One of the functions of time, motion, is aging.
Thank you.
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Sep 16, 2013, 07:21 AM »
Quote from: ari moshe on Sep 15, 2013, 11:01 AM
Hi Rad, will you clarify some more what you meant here? The linkage between motion and time:
Time is nothing more than that motion itself where motion equals time. One of the functions of time, motion, is aging.
Thank you.
Hi Ari,
If we have a starting point, and then an ending point, we have motion between those two points where motion is a function of velocity. Velocity within motion, no matter what the rate of that velocity is, creates time: the time it takes to get from point A to point B. Motion is also the determinant of gravity when combined with mass: Saturn. Thus, the center of gravity within consciousness where consciousness is then defined by the nature of the form, Saturn, that is within. Form correlates then with boundaries that correlate within consciousness to the natural boundary between conscious awareness that is determined by the egocentric structure within consciousness that is created by the Soul is any given life. The totality of consciousness of the Soul includes the subconscious or unconsciousness that is created by this natural boundary of Saturn between the egocentric awareness that is symbolized by the Moon, the natural polarity to Saturn, and the sub-conscious or unconsciousness of the Soul.
In our next step, the final steps, to our planetary method with will of course be focusing on Uranus and Neptune that symbolize this sub-conscious and unconsciousness of the Soul and how this affects the egocentric structure of the Soul's consciousness.
God Bless, Rad
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Hi Rad, thanks for your response and all the wisdom that is being shared here.
Just want to fill you in - I'll be posting here b4 the end of this week and am setting for myself to post in the other thread by the end of the following week.
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Darwin's Saturn.
Thank you for this ongoing opportunity for such lucid learning and growth Rad.
Love, am
Darwin's Saturn is in Sag in the 12th, in a balsamic conjunction with Neptune ruled by Jupiter which shares a mutual reception with Neptune. Saturn is also conjunct the AC, in a first quarter square with Mercury and a disseminating square with Pluto. Lucifer in Virgo in the 9th is in a last quarter square with Saturn. Saturn is first quarter trine with Venus in Aries on the IC.
Saturn is semi square the sn of Pluto in Cap in the 2nd. The Moon in Cap in the 2nd is in a crescent phase with Saturn – just at the very end of a semi square aspect.
The Moon is conjunct the sn of Pluto as well as the sn of Saturn in Cap in the 2nd which is joined by the sn's of Vesta, Venus and Mercury all in the same position. Saturn rules it's own sn.
The nn of Saturn is in Cancer in the 8th which is ruled by the Moon in Cap in the 2nd which brings us back to Saturn.
Saturn is in an exact sesquiquad with it's nn in Cancer in the 8th.
Mars in Libra in the 10th squares the nodal axis of Saturn in the 2nd and 8th.
The structure of this soul's consciousness has been oriented to understand the inherent principals of natural law that apply universally. This soul has been developing an understanding that explains how the totality of nature is conditioned to be in the form it is in; and how that form will ever change to reflect natural and universal principals.
Saturn symbolizes how the conditioning of the past becomes a gravity, a bottom line structural reality, for the consciousness of the soul in the present. With Saturn squaring the 9th 3rd house axis, and ultimately linked to a mutual rulership between Neptune and Jupiter, it's clear that this conditioning has been formed in part through extensive research/traveling/exposure to the diversity of life. This soul has formulated questions that have been oriented around understanding the bottom line why behind the nature of phenomenal existence (Jupiter Pluto Pisces 3rd). The soul has needed to establish philosophical security, to clearly define the nature of this existence by understanding the actual parameters/boundaries/rules of natural law. This then has allowed this soul to understand the nature of itself within the context of all of nature. The question then becomes, why did he need to establish such a clearly defined understanding?
In the past there has been great amount of inner need within this soul to have proof, Saturn, of all the kinds of beliefs and dogmas – many of which that have been held in the religious traditions of the masses. There would have been potent interfaces between this soul and with religious leaders/authorities that represented the religious rules of "right and wrong". In prior lives this soul has given itself quite fully to these religious rules and external authorities on the basis of wanting to do the right thing and align with what is true and ultimate. The balsamic to Neptune implies that there has already been a great degree of disillusionment regarding this, and that the life of Darwin was intended for this soul to release all kinds of strict, religious, dogmatic thinking that does not directly point to the direct knowledge of how nature is actually structured. In the context of his ea stage – this is of course ultimately building a comprehensive understanding of the mechanics that define and articulate how nature operates.
The progression within the soul of Darwin, as I understand it here, at some point seems to go back to religious and perhaps monastic/secluded Christian communities - Saturn in Sag in 12th with its sn in the 2nd in Cap, Pisces Virgo squares to Saturn, Lucifer in the 9th. In these communities there was a great deal of idealization and also disillusionment by way of various authorities becoming a contradiction to the law that they taught/idealized. The nature of these contradictions, in part, would have something to do with sexuality, sexual morality and beliefs regarding procreation that were antithetical to what was actually natural: sn of Saturn in 2nd in Cap relative to Saturn Neptune in Sag in the 12th. These teachers have not only been in contradiction to their teachings, but also hypocritical and flat out unethical. The main theme here would be various religious figures symbolizing an absolute connection to God, the universal truth. And through that symbology implying that there is only one way to God. This has created all kinds of confusion and emotional distortions within this soul.
This disillusionment then lead to it seems a long process of deconditioning; of working through the contradictions and even going to the extreme of rebelling against all of the repressed sexual and emotional urges. By the life of Darwin all of that had been exhausted to the point where he was able to come to his own conclusions, which in a sense brought an end to a very long chapter of seeking.
I want to speak a bit more to the archetype of the unknown and religious authority for this soul.
On the one hand, this Saturn position correlates to Darwin's soul intention to reconcile with the ultimate fear of the unknown. The fear of the unknown links to a fear of being alienated from, a part from nature, which itself links to a strong karmic Judeo/Christian belief in separation from source - and thus a set of moral and ethical standards that reflect those beliefs. These moral standards have always represented ideals that are not possible to embrace. As mentioned above, in some way there would have been prior lives, or a life, where this soul was involved in secluded, strict, religious monastic type of environments. In this past, he would have been completely immersed in a version of the truth that was not actually accessible/ was in contradiction to his own nature. He would have tackled the challenge of reconciling these ideas with scripture, through immersing himself in other people's spiritual and religious ideas, through long dialogues, all the intense 3rd 9th correlations in his chart. This at times would have resulted in crystal clarity as to the truth of whatever he was trying to convince himself to be true. Yet at times the clarity would not be there and he would be left with too many questions to be at peace with himself. On some level there also would have been some form of masochistic punishment involved as a result of this soul feeling plagued by his doubt. Lucifer in Virgo retro in the 9th squaring Saturn in Sag in the 12th.
So in establishing the rules and principals that he did during the life of Darwin he was able to find a form of forgiveness and relaxation in the sense of concluding for himself that the authority actually correlates to natural principals that are inherent to life, not some judging god.
On the other hand there was still a great amount of anxiety that could never actually be resolved during the life of Darwin. This anxiety is rooted in the reality that this soul would never be capable of achieving, via the faculties of his own mind, a full understanding of reality. There will always be questions. The mutable T squares in his chart point to the psychology of hopelessness and meaninglessness that has plagued the soul. Essentially that there will always be questions that cannot be answered – until the center of gravity within the soul shifts from identification with form/mind to identification with formless. Therefore even the rules he established as true did not provide ultimate philosophical security for this soul. In fact, as a necessary survival mechanism for himself, the natural principals that he established, by their very nature, easily opened the doors for the proof of life being void of any kind of higher meaning; no God, just natural principals of evolution. I understand that he identified mostly as an agnostic. He was open to the idea of God, just became increasingly less concerned with trying to address the question of God or to prove it one way or another. It's interesting to note how in many conservative religious communities around the world today the cosmology of Darwin is considered antithetical to Christian faith.
Here is an article that discusses whether or not Darwin believed in God. I am posting this here while we are on Saturn because it's clear that a part of Darwin's public presentation on God was likely influenced by the social/political climate of the time. To be publishing the work that he did, it's possible that he included sections on God because his own social esteem and success depended on it. This is signified by his natal Saturn in Sag in the 12th relative to the Mars in Libra in the 10th square to the nodes of Saturn with the sn of Saturn in Cap in the 2nd which I will address next…
Here is a paragraph from that article that paraphrases something that Darwin expresses in Origin of the Species:
Some will argue, however, and rightly so, that Darwin did still believe in God when he wrote Origin of Species in 1859. Though denying that God had a direct hand in creating species, he did nonetheless indicate that God created the natural laws of the cosmos, including the laws of evolutionary development. He also interpolated a statement about a Creator breathing life into one or a few (primitive) organisms into the 1860 edition of Origin.
It's also possible (perhaps even in addition to what I stated above) that his words were expressedly true to this soul; that he had an intuitive sense of there being a creator that created the natural laws of evolution and that this creator IS NOT the Christian God of the bible. Rad do you have any insight/clarification regarding whether what he wrote was actually true to him or not?
As a bottom line context for this soul, with the sn of Saturn in Cap in the 2nd, squaring Mars in Libra in the 10th and ruled by Saturn in Sag in the 12th, he has had roles within society in the past that has allowed this soul to actualize his own authority within society, and on some level to influence the masses with the principals that he himself believed in. The energy of this of course points to a soul that has been incredibly stubborn about how its going about doing things; it's own inner compass of right and wrong. However based on the need to fulfill his social roles and duties, he has learned how to follow the
rules in order to fit into prevailing social constructs and to thus limit his own need for independence and total authority over his own life.
This has then lead to a great amount of repression and a rift between his inner world, personal life and the way in which he expressed himself/behaved in the outer world. Leading to the life of Darwin the soul has reached a station wherein it has become necessary to conserve his resources – to limit his own self expansion, unlimited freedom and create a secure, safe emotional environment; the need within this soul to establish emotional boundaries; to establish firm family roots that would allow this soul to heal and open up all that had been repressed and unintegrated emotionally. Sn of Saturn conj Moon, Moon ruler of nn of Saturn in the 8th, Moon new crescent phase with Saturn.
A bit more on Mars in the 10th squaring the nodes of Saturn. This strongly relates to a concern with how he is regarded socially; how others will accept him or approve of him socially linked to the need to make a living and support his family. This links to Dampier's Saturn squaring the nodes with the sn in Libra relative to Pluto in the 7th. Dampier also had Mars in Libra in the 10th squaring the nodes of Saturn just as Darwin did. The intention has been for this soul to access the emotional realm instead of focusing entirely on his social persona, fitting in, in order to survive. The repression this soul enacted essentially created an iron wall that kept him safe from deeper intimacy. He developed a duplicity in his social skills that allowed him to function in the social world as he needed to, saying what he needed to all the while keeping his real self inside. In fearing to access his own anima, he perpetuated his own loneliness.
In the life of Dampier, as signified by Saturn in Cancer in the 8th squaring the nodes – applied to the nn in Aries in the 5th with it's ruler Mars in Libra in the 10th squaring that Saturn as well as the Sun in cancer in the 7th, the strong theme leading to that life seems to relate to correcting violations of natural ethics regarding sexuality/sexual responsibility towards women. These "violations" have been linked to his own repressed emotional/sexual needs which itself links back to his own Christian guilt: Virgo Moon ruling Saturn, Chiron in Virgo in the 9th squaring Neptune in Sag in the 1st, Jupiter ruling Neptune in the 12th in Sag.
The nn of Darwin's Saturn is in Cancer in the 8th and forms a gibbous phase sesquiquadrate with Saturn, noting that Saturn also forms a crescent phase semi square with the Moon, the ruler of the nn in Cancer. This implies, as stated above, the evolutionary intention to focus within and establish emotional boundaries that will allow the soul to heal and be nourished on the intimate human level. The reality of having neglected his emotional needs reached a total head in the life of Dampier, and in the life of Darwin he began to integrate and steady his emotional nature. This also implies the intention to simply take it easy as he uncovers the layer upon layer of emotional repression that has hid under his strong belief systems.
This Saturn signature has corresponded to following his own inner compass, inner guidance system from a state of consciousness of not wanting to be limited, Saturn, by anything outside of himself – sn of Saturn in 2nd, sn of Jupiter in 1st all in Cap. This has then correlated to a need to maintain his own authority at all costs in order to protect himself from the unknown and to purge from himself the self anger and pain of having been completely let down by the religious authorities/god.
This need for total freedom from authority has itself been born only from a total fear of being limited by something much larger than himself. Consciously he has understood this as religion and the religious authorities, and by extension the social and moral codes of his time – he has wanted to live "off the grid" of mainstream thought, dogma and rules. Unconsciously however it has been the need to be free in order to seek his own answers; such seeking which would create a sense of control and thus safety in virtue of the principal that seeking always leads to finding. The nature of what he would find would become the basis of his own cosmology which would then serve to replace the guilt and anxiety of having violated religious law. The ongoing analogy of being out in the ocean, going to unknown places, has in part been a way for this soul to stay open to the unfolding revelation of the truth – instead of drowning in a fixed and established version of it.
Another way of saying this, he has needed to find meaning in something to believe in, and without that something to believe in there is a lingering feeling of being wrong, of being bad. His cosmology serves as a set of principles that would ultimately allow him to reconcile with his own nature, instead of feeling guilty about it (repressing it or indulging).
One final thought: throughout this soul's journey, this soul has totally internalized whatever truths he was choosing to identify with - becoming stubbornly fixed and self righteous about whatever he believed to be true. Sn in Taurus in the 5th full phase inconjunct with Saturn Neptune, Venus in Aries – ruler of sn - in a first quarter trine with Saturn. This created a strong attraction factor because of his sureness and confidence. Even though the nature of this soul has been to be open in the mind and to be very full of questions, it has always taken a long time for this soul to move from its position – to realize that his open mind is still narrow and fixed on a limited view of reality.
The tension in those signatures correlate to the need for Darwin to figure out how to actualize his special purpose in the world in a way that it can be accepted and acknowledged as credible by the world as it currently is. The full phase inconjunct with all the strong implications for talent, confidence and intellectual genius implies the need to let go of the way he would do it and to surrender to how it needs to be done. This he in fact did quite well. This signature also correlates to his over confidence in a typical 12th house 5th house kind of way – perhaps he saw himself as some sort of savior of the ignorance of the masses. Of course in truth he was playing a very healing role for the masses on many levels. Note that on the other end of that aspect, Saturn Neptune are new phase semi sextile to the north node in Scorpio in the 11th, with Pluto in the 3rd ruling the nn squaring Saturn: using his higher intellect and sharp mind to create ultimate meaning – the limitations of which being that it implies an mis-identification with human intelligence as the be all and end all.
It's meaningful to point out that his father represented a similar outlook as Darwin in terms of the bible. His father was a very successful physician and knew how to expand his fortune. When Darwin's mother died, his father become even more devoted to his work as a physician, which included frequent travel, leaving the care of the household mostly to his eldest daughters. This has been discussed a bit when we were examining Darwin's Moon. Here's a little section on his father:
On his father:
His father became a symbol for someone successful and great, but was also on his own cloud, not always present and involved in the family as much as he was invested in his work. This seems to be a metaphor for Darwin's own inner relationship to the concept of "ultimate authority" - it was often impersonal and inconsistent, leaving him to figure things out for himself given the lack of any clear guidance from the outside. His father also seemed to carry the energy of confidence and sureness about his beliefs - as well as a man who lived by his principals.
Charles wrote of his father: "My father's mind was not scientific, and he did not try to generalise his knowledge under general laws; yet he formed a theory for almost everything which occurred. I do not think I gained much from him intellectually; but his example ought to have been of much moral service to all his children. One of his golden rules (a hard one to follow) was, 'Never become the friend of anyone whom you cannot respect."
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