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Bye Bye Tan HackOctober 13, 2005
I've been using the Tan Hack for ages, otherwise known as
* html, since it's proven a simple and effective mechanism for combatting some of the worst rendering bugs in IE. With only a few similar alternate ways of doing the same thing available, for the past few years it has been pretty much a choice of personal preference whether you'd go with Tan or conditional comments or
html > body.
At the same time, I suppose I had figured/hoped that by the time IE7 rolled around, enough sites will have implemented it that the IE team couldn't simply break the relatively trivial hack without first fixing the much less trivial bugs it was working around.
However, it's been clear for some time that
* html was going to be fixed. And now today, via WaSP, comes news that IE7 is going to be fixing a whole lot of other hacks. Wording on the IE Blog ("how easy it is to fall into the CSS hack trap") seems to indicate that IE developers are against hacks in general, so it's probably reasonable to assume that they'll be looking to fix any others in the forthcoming releases.
Of course this was irritating at first. My initial reaction is to wonder why they're throwing out the medicine without first curing the ailment. Full CSS2 support in IE7 is still a long way off.
But it's probably not as bad as all that. I ranted a few months ago about IE7 beta 1, and since that time the IE team has announced that IE7 beta 2 will see a pile of new fixes. A lot of the things we still need to work around in IE6 may potentially be fixed in IE7. It's anyone's guess as to whether the list of fixes on the IE Blog is final, but I'd be willing to wager we'll see even more updates by the time IE7 final is released. There's a good chance that in some cases, you won't have to change a line of code; the float bug your hack was fixing is no longer broken, so IE7 will simply render the initial rule properly, and not parse whatever corrective rules the hack piles on. IE6 will still behave as expected, and IE7 will treat the code as any other CSS-friendly browser. Hopefully. Maybe. In some cases.
So, all those existing sites out there we've built that don't use conditional comments? Wait and see. IE7 beta 2 should be out in the next few months, we'll know more then.
In the comments, "Agent Bishop" rightly points out that conditional comments do not work when you're running multiple versions of Internet Explorer on a single PC. As always, Position is Everything has you covered. (Is there anything they can't do?)
Still, it's a pretty contorted process, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect web developers to hack their registry just to test web sites. I'd like to see an officially-sanctioned way of making conditional comments work with multiple versions of Internet Explorer. IE Team, how about it?
Eric Meyer points out that Dean Edwards' IE7 script could very well give us an easy way out of any transition headaches.
I agree, the choice between an extra hit or inline style elements is not attractive for high traffic sites. The tan hack (and most other CSS hacks) lets you include Internet Explorer styles in your main stylesheet. Validators don't generally see the Internet Explorer only stylesheet either, as it's commented out according to normal HTML syntax.
PS, Dave: any idea how many Zen Garden designs this breaks?
TBH I have never used the Tan Hack. I started off straight away with conditional comments because it was always IE that didn't render my sites properly and I didn't want to mix regular site CSS with IE only CSS.
I just hope MS don't create more problems while they're trying to fix IE.
But even if every single problem that exists in IE6 is fixed in IE7, designers are still going to have to design for IE6.
I know the majority of web users will download v.7 but there will be some that are happy enough with v.6, (I mean there are still people using IE5 for god's sake).
and just out of interest i use html>body
One downside for developers though –
If you have multiple versions of IE installed, the conditional comments do NOT work, as it recognizes any version of IE as the highest version installed (probably IE6).
"If you have multiple versions of IE installed, the conditional comments do NOT work"
Oh, that's right, I forgot about that little quirk. I sure hope the IE team meets us halfway and gives us an officially blessed way to install more than one copy of IE on a PC so we can continue to actually test our sites.
Well, isn't that a good thing… presuming they will fix enough bugs to get rid of the most common reasons to use IE hacks. If you used that hack for something typical such as giving IE a height on an element instead of a min-height, like so:
* html #thing { height: 120px; }
There won't be any need to change anything, because IE7 doesn't understand the hack but will support min-height, so it should ignore the rule anyway.
Oh, and PIE tells how to fix conditional comments in multiple IE versions: http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/multiIE.html
I've never understood the resistance to dynamic (i.e. server-side) stylesheets.
If you're already 'diluting' pure CSS and going to the effort of writing very obscure hacks on the client side, why not take the full plunge and enjoy all of the control available with a generated stylesheet?
I've been using conditional comments for a little while now and after I read that post yesterday on the IE blog, I've decided to keep using the condition comment of: <!–[if lte IE 6]> to target "less than or equal to" IE6.
Re: The multiple versions of IE problem, I've always preferred using Virtual PC over hacking your Windows install for testing multiple versions of IE. Use a different virtual machine for each browser, and you won't run into the conditional comment problem mentioned above.
"Oh, and PIE tells how to fix conditional comments in multiple IE versions"
Yeah, and not only that it can put the version number in the title bar of your IE too: two things that were a real PITA until they released this article!
Microsoft's ultimate goal is to get this browser out while breaking as few sites as possible. I'm confident they will incorporate the necessary fixes for the most popular reasons we hack along with the hacks themselves.
In the slashdot example given in the IE blog, a few things stood out for me.
1) Slashdot's mistake was using an empty legend element. If the legend element is required, it's because the W3C recommends that you have an actual, textual legend in your fieldset. If you don't want it do display, simply use display:none; Keeping your markup semantic is always the best practice.
2) While the W3C doesn't specify to use white space or not for the legend element in HTML 4.01, they do say that the legend element is inline. Common sense would suggest that you don't generate vertical white space for inline elements.
In the mean time, if you use conditional comments, be sure to do it on a version level and not simply on all versions of IE, as this could bite you in the ass more than a few CSS hacks slipping by here and there.
Dave, I asked a little while back if the IE team was going to be nice enough to let us have multiple versions of IE on one machine and the answer was a fairly clear "No."
It's unfortunate that we have to resort to waiting for someone to figure out how to hack around having only one IE on a machine. I'm sure someone will do it but you'd think with all the good stuff they're doing for developers, that they'd give us that at least.
As for the conditional statements, I sincerely hope we don't have to go back and fix all of our sites. It would be great if IE7 displayed the sites as you said without any need to rejigger our hacks. I know it's not a perfect world but shouldn't we be working to NOT use conditional statements and hacks? Browser seems like a glorified method of browser sniffing. If the IE team makes their browser behave as it should, there shouldn't be any need for conditional statements.
Just putting it out there.
Sorry about the typos in the previous comment and this one pointing it out. (Should have proofread.)
Actually, I think the main problem with conditional comments is that you have to put them in your HTML files instead of in your CSS. That means that instead of a single stylesheet reference in your document and a CSS file partitioned up for common rules, IE-6-and-under rules, etc., you have to have two links, one of which is buried inside a conditional comment, or else one link and a conditional embedded stylesheet. It messes with maintainability.
Other than that, conditional comments are *vastly* superior to CSS hacks because they rely on intended behavior and not on bugs that will eventually get fixed.
"I've never understood the resistance to dynamic (i.e. server-side) stylesheets."
Two problems. First, what would you be testing against? The browser's query string right? Then we're back to the same problem started in 1998 and resulting in the rise of IE-only sites; you have to be extremely comprehensive and cover all browser scenarios to make it work right, and even if you do, the next time a major browser updates you stand the chance of having your site break anyway.
Second, server-side parsing isn't always an option. It's always nicer to be able to do your coding and browser testing without having to rely on a server. Not a problem for you or I (or anyone who has a local Apache install), but a problem for some.
I thought the whole purpose of Web Standards was to separate the structure from the presentation. That page code represents the structure of the document. Doesn't including conditional comments add "presentation" to the structure?
Doesn't using a "hack" keep the presentation in the CSS?
The big one that worries me is easyclearing. It's the only "hack" that I depend on a *lot*. And it really represents an ugly union of several different hacks, including star-html.
"I've never understood the resistance to dynamic (i.e. server-side) stylesheets."
I've never really gone there, but there are certain tools like Inman's SSC that are simply indispensible. Seriously, try it once and you'll never go back.
"…there are certain tools like Inman's SSC that are simply indispensible"
Totally different beast. Dynamic, PHP-parsed CSS gets a big thumbs-up from me as long as it continues caching properly.
PHP inserted into a CSS file with the express purpose of selectively hiding or showing CSS to certain browsers based on query string, on the other hand, is not a good idea.
It's a good thing I've never used it.
A general good rule to follow was to avoid IE only, and fix it right for moz as the secondary rule.
What I'd like to know is who's using these hacks? Even with all the quirkiness between browsers, there seems to be a workaround for almost every design…
It is comforting to know however, that ie7 is trying to remove all hacks. We can only hope they live up to fixing the shortcomings these hacks are covering up.
Dave: you probably should talk about the user_agent string rather than the querystring (the latter of course is the part of the url after the questionmark, and so your last few comments look somewhat confusing at first).
Personally I intend to go on using such CSS hacks as I can, always with the main guideline of sending valid CSS, and having selectors which _shouldn't_ work in decent browsers (such as * html and comments) make up for major bugs.
Most of my sites will have IE 7 trying to interpret the exact same CSS as Opera/Safari/Mozilla. It's up to them to show themselves worthy of playing with the big boys now.
I like CSS hacks over conditional comments because I can use conventions as discussed in [the book] Professional CSS where you have a base CSS file that is linked with a "link" tag, then your base CSS file is just a bunch of @import statements.
Using known hacks, you can target @import statements to certain browsers. Whenever support for a browser is dropped, it's just a matter of removing a line or two from your base CSS file. No need to muck around in the markup and such.
That being said, if you create your site in such a way that it is as easy to alter your "head" markup as it is a CSS file, then I see no reason why conditional comments are any worse to a CSS hack solution.
Also, XSLT seems to treat the [if IE] syntax, since things in [brackets] are special entites, even when surrounded by CDATA, or xsl:comment tags. These comment strings don't work if you're using XSLT.
There are any number of reasons not to use the conditional comments. First of all, they can really throw off non-IE parsers (including most XSLT transformers, as noted above). Also, it seems like there would be precedence issues. For example, if you wanted to create a style and then override it with a same-specifity-but-later-in-the-css rule, but the IE rules all came in their own seperate stylesheet later, you'd have to make a copy of the rule in the IE stylesheet. Perhaps not a common scenario but I've run across the problem twice. IE should just adopt the rendering model of other more CSS-compliant browsers so that outmoded hacks won't be an issue - from the article, for example, the legend element should be rendered the same way that Firefox does to avoid breaking everyone's code.
Or they could implement conditional comments in CSS files…
Since IE conditional comments [IECC] are a great solution to target the IE 5 + WIN issues without any hacks. But does it cause any extra bandwidth? I dont think so since all styles are in a HTML comment, and only the targetted browser version(-s) import the styles. A <link> for importing the styles seems a better choice than <style>.
I am really convinced hacks should be avoided whenever possible, even if it validates.
This is just like microsoft: "We'll support standards, but you have to use custom markup so it plays nice…"
If they do things properly, this example should work fine…
/* Standards, IE7 */
height: auto !important;
min-height: 400px;
height: 400px;
height /**/: 380px;
Here's to hoping that IE7 will understand "!important". I, for one, will never use Conditional Comments. I use XSLT way too much to rely on markup to choose how to style the page.
I'd advise not going out of your way to support anything older than IE 6. Even IE 5.5 is representing less than 2% of web traffic these days. It's just not worth it.
Rimantas says: — "Or they could implement
conditional comments in CSS files…"
hehe… isn't that what the hacks listed above accomplish? :D
Personally, I prefer the underscore hack to all mentioned above.
body {
margin: 4px;
_margin: 5px; /* IE only */
Kevin Brown says — "I'd advise not going out of your way to support anything older than IE 6. Even IE 5.5 is representing less than 2% of web traffic these days. It's just not worth it."
Generally yes, however, this all depends who you and your demographic are.
Am I missing something? If IE7 works like other modern browsers and simply ignores the * html hack, then what's the problem?
Personally, though I unfortunately don't have the luxury of doing this for customers' pages, I never go out of my way to ensure something renders properly in IE. If I have a page that I know breaks IE badly enough, and there's no other way (other than using hacks or an excess of tables and images) to get my design to render properly in IE, I simply add an anti-IE disclaimer.
It's time people have it brought to their attention that IE simply doesn't work. It's not just a matter of poor CSS support. It's a matter of some drunken programmer (because I can't think of how else someone could mangle something as simple as the box model so badly) misreading the initial CSS specification when he implemented it in the first CSS-aware IE.
I don't mind losing a few readers because a site looks stilted to them. In the fight for standards-compliance, it's a small price to pay for the chance to make one more end-user aware that there is even a battle.
Cant wait till the release I am very interested in finding out weather or not it will work.I to think it is not reasonable to expect web developers to hack their registry just to test web sites.
Was it just too hard for them to actually try supporting CSS standards in their entirety like the rest of the browser world? It seems that by continuing to offer less than adequate support they are shooting themselves in the foot, what happens when CSS3 comes into its own and IE is still working on CSS2? It doesn't seem to make sense to me.
ChadL says "Personally, I prefer the underscore hack to all mentioned above."
Thats what I've been using most recently. I find that I usually don't have to fix anything major except for margins, widths and padding and underscore suffices for that.
I think I am also going to take the anti-IE route. I don't believe in making the effort to support them if they can't make the effort to help me, and by removing browser hacks it just seems like they are making things worse. Maybe they had legitimate reasons though?

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Rex Ryan was hired by Mike Tannenbaum on Jan. 19, 2009. Three months later, they traded up in the 2009 N.F.L. draft to acquire Mark Sanchez. Since that moment, the three of them the general manager, the head coach and the franchise quarterback have had their fates intertwined. When the Jets made the A.F.C. championship game in their first season together, they far exceeded expectations, reaching that level far sooner than expected.
In the following off-season, Tannenbaum became the toast of the N.F.L. as he acquired four veterans Santonio Holmes, LaDainian Tomlinson, Jason Taylor, and Antonio Cromartie to help put the Jets over the proverbial hump. In August, it was Ryans turn to steal the spotlight, as he became a national sensation and the coach everyone wanted to play for following his appearance on HBOs Hard Knocks. During the season, it was Sanchezs time to shine, as he led the Jets on game-winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime in six different games, the highest number in the league. The Jets won 11 games and went back to the A.F.C. championship game, but again, were stuck at the Super Bowls doorstep.
That was the high-water mark of the Tannenbaum-Ryan-Sanchez era. The Jets regressed to 8-8 last season and with a 3-5 record in 2012, appear to be continuing in a downward spiral. With Tannenbaum, Ryan, and Sanchez forever linked, the question the Jets will have to answer at the end of the season is whether all or any of them are the right men to take the Jets back to the Super Bowl.
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Statistically, Sanchez has been a disappointment his entire career with the Jets. On the field, he has struggled with reading defenses and throwing accurate passes, and as a result, he is ranked below the league average in completion percentage and yards per attempt in each of his four seasons in the N.F.L. Only 18 quarterbacks in N.F.L. history have ranked below league average in those categories while playing for the same team in three consecutive years. Perhaps surprisingly, all but three Joe Ferguson, Mark Malone, and an aging Marc Bulger returned to the same team for a fourth season.
Of the remaining 15, one was Phil Simms, who tore his knee in the 1982 preseason, ending his streak of mediocre play. It wasnt until he turned 30 that Simms had his first statistically solid season in 1985. David Woodley returned to Miami but lost his job to Dan Marino. Kyle Boller went back to Baltimore, but Steve McNair was acquired to replace him. Sanchez and Matt Cassel each received a fourth year in 2012 to prove themselves.
That leaves 10 quarterbacks who had three straight years of below average play in both yards per attempt and completion percentage, and were brought back by their team and remained as starters. Five quarterbacks Donovan McNabb, Tobin Rote, Jim Hart, John Elway, and Drew Bledsoe responded with above-average seasons in their fourth year in at least one of the two categories.
The other five? All again finished below average in the two categories for a fourth straight season. Mike Phipps in Cleveland, Rick Mirer in Seattle, Trent Dilfer in Tampa Bay and Joey Harrington in Detroit were the first four; the fifth was Eli Manning. I excluded Mannings rookie season because he did not have enough pass attempts to qualify, but technically, he finished below average in both completion percentage and yards per attempt in each of the first five seasons of his career.
Sanchez currently ranks 33rd in completion percentage and 31st in yards per attempt, so absent Peyton Manning wearing his jersey for the rest of the year, Sanchez is going to finish below average for the fourth straight season in both categories. In Kansas City, Matt Cassel may match his streak, although his days with the Chiefs are numbered.
Can the Jets justify starting Sanchez in Year 5? If previous examples are considered, its doubtful. Mike Phipps, like Sanchez, was a top-five pick a franchise gambled on. In fact, Cleveland traded the future Hall of Fame wide receiver Paul Warfield to Miami to acquire Phipps, so the Browns were very hesitant to admit their mistake. In his fifth year, Phipps entered the season as the starter but an injury in the season opener against the Jets allowed Brian Sipe to take the job. Mirer was also a top-five pick, but after his fourth year, the Seahawks traded him to the Bears. Somehow, they were able to package him with a fourth-round pick for Chicagos first-round selection. Tampa Bay, a team that was able to win despite its poor quarterback play because of a great defense, kept Dilfer as the starter in his fifth year, although an injury paved the way for the team to move on. Detroit traded Harrington after his fourth season to Miami for a late round pick. And while Mannings individual statistics were not impressive, he had already won a Super Bowl with the Giants, ending any questions about his job security.
If the Jets go into the 2013 season with Sanchez as the starter, they will essentially be giving him as long a leash as any quarterback in N.F.L. history has ever had. There are obviously other considerations with Sanchez. He will cost the Jets salary cap over $17 million if they release him before the start of the 2014 season. As it stands, the Jets will pay him nearly $13 million in 2013. But its the extreme exception to the rule for a quarterback to have four consecutive years of mediocre play be given the starting job in his fifth year on a silver platter. When a highly drafted quarterback struggles so consistently and fails to develop, there are usually severe ramifications. And they extend far beyond the quarterback.
The Coach
From 1998 to 2008, 30 quarterbacks were selected in the first round of the draft. In only nine of those instances was the head coach still around after five years. Mike Smith and John Harbaugh have had consistent success since Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco were drafted, so its no surprise they survived. The same is true with Tom Coughlin with Eli Manning, who managed to win in a Super Bowl in that time frame. Marvin Lewis and Andy Reid were in no danger of being fired after Carson Palmer and Donovan McNabb were drafted. Only four of the coaches drafted disappointing quarterbacks and still survived, but there were extenuating circumstances in each case.
Brian Billick whiffed on the Kyle Boller pick, but winning a Super Bowl gives you a lot of leeway. Jeff Fisher had a long history of success before the team drafted in the eyes of many, against the wishes of Fisher Vince Young, and the Titans saved Fishers job with a 6-2 run to finish Year 4 of the Young era. Byron Leftwich wasnt a home run, but four years later, Jacksonville was in the playoffs with David Garrard at quarterback, so the team wasnt going to fire Del Rio (yet). And in Chicago, Dick Jauron was on the hot seat after the Cade McNown pick turned into a disaster. To the surprise of most, Chicago chose to bring Jauron back for a fifth year, and the team bottomed out to a 4-12 season and fired Jauron a season too late.
If you whiff on a first-round pick, you better find a new one (like Del Rio), finish Year 4 strong (like Fisher) or have a ring on your finger (Billick) to avoid getting fired before Year 5. In Detroit, Jim Schwartz is in a similar situation, although the Lions were so bad for so long and Matthew Stafford was so successful last year that his seat is not yet hot. But when a quarterback busts, somebody must be the sacrificial lamb. Last year, Ryan made that the offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer. This season, there is no one left to blame.
More damning for Ryan is the decline of the unit he directly overseas. The Jets defense has regressed under Ryan in nearly every key category since he took over. The team ranked 1st in points allowed in 2009, then 6th in 2010, 20th in 2011, and 24th so far in 2012. The Jets ranked 1st, 3rd, 5th and now 16th in yards allowed over that same time frame. Against the pass, the Jets ranked 1st in net yards per attempt allowed in 2009, but have slipped to 4th, then 7th, and now 12th. The run defense was strong in Ryans early years ranking in the top 12 in rushing yards and rushing touchdowns allowed in 2009 and 2010 before regressing last year (13th in yards, 27th in touchdowns) and collapsing so far this year (29th and 25th, respectively). It hasnt helped that players seen as Ryan favorites such as Eric Smith and Bart Scott, have seen dramatic drop-offs in play.
The General Manager
Ultimately, Tannenbaums legacy will be tied to Ryan and Sanchez. But he made several questionable decisions that have backfired on him. Over the last several years, Tannenbaum consistently mortgaged the future in a valiant but apparently unsuccessful attempt to win a Super Bowl before the window closed. After the Jets made consecutive trips to the A.F.C. championship game, that strategy made sense, but it has backfired at nearly every step along the way.
From 2007 to 2012, the Jets had just 31 draft picks, by far the fewest in the league. The Jets traded a second-round pick to move up in the first round of the 2007 draft to select Darrelle Revis; later in that draft, they traded a third-round pick to move up in the second round to draft David Harris. The moves provided immediate dividends and seemingly convinced Tannenbaum that such a strategy was the best way to build the team.
The Jets gave up a fourth-round pick to move up six spots to draft Dustin Keller in the 2008 draft, and third- and fifth-round picks to acquire Kris Jenkins from the Panthers. They also traded what turned out to be a third-round pick to get Brett Favre from the Packers. But the real wheeling and dealing began when Ryan arrived.
The Jets traded up in the 2009 draft to acquire Sanchez, losing a second-round pick in the process. Then the Jets gave up their fourth- and seventh-round picks to move up in the third round to draft Shonn Greene. New York also gave Philadelphia a fifth round pick to acquire Lito Sheppard.
The Jets stood pat in the first two rounds of the 2010 draft, but selected Kyle Wilson and Vlad Ducasse, two players who havent come close to meeting expectations. The third-round pick that year was lost in the Braylon Edwards trade; the Jets then traded up in the fourth round, giving up a sixth-round pick in the process, to draft Joe McKnight.
The 2011 draft was without a second-round pick thanks to the Cromartie trade, and then Tannenbaum traded up in the second round of the 2012 draft losing a fifth- and a seventh-round pick in the process to draft Stephen Hill. New Yorks fourth-round pick was lost to in the acquisition of Tim Tebow, the best punt protector money could buy.
But it wasnt just the draft where Tannenbaum sacrificed the future to beef up the current team. The Jets gave expensive contract extensions to Holmes, DBrickashaw Ferguson, David Harris, Bart Scott and Sanchez. All five players have failed to come close to living up to those new deals. The moves were designed to free up cap space at the time to allow the Jets to better position themselves for a final push. Instead, the team has taken multiple steps backward and now has to pay those bills. The most damning move was the extension given to Sanchez, which now hamstrings the team, preventing it from moving on from the quarterback without serious penalty for at least another year. Tannenbaum and Ryan may not be so fortunate.
Light a fire and let it burn!!!
Logical article, Tannys down fall is paying the wrong people and being a 'cap guru' dopes not just mean finding ways to defer money and such it is paying the right people the cash in the 1st place.
If as people have indicated that we have no viable way to get away from Sanchez after this year then Tanny needs to be fired and poor Rex is going to go down with him sooner or later for not doing the right thing and insisting on some kind of Qb change.
Next year both guys are safe in my mind they will be writing their own job obits if they cling to Sanchez.
The whisper is now a ROAR!!!!!!!!!! This is not going to end pretty for a great deal of current NY Jets personnel
Perfectly put, although it manages to skip Sanchez's horrid rate (and timing) or turnovers and turnovers for 6 the other way, which (I'd guess) is one of the worst in the NFL over his time in the league.
Mark Sanchez has had more than his opportunity. He must be benched, and the other options tried, and if they fail, a new QB brought in for 2013.
Good read. We are doomed.
wow, good article. the question now is, who can come in and fix this mess?
The new GM needs to trade our best players to obtain draft picks in the net two drafts. We need at least 4 more 1st and 2nd rounders to get back in this thing for the long haul.
The second year we need to draft a QB as it looks as though Sanchez is on par with A-Rod as far as being a value play for his position on the team.
Great read! Thank you! Suckchez, REX and Tannybum must go for starters!
Article was a good read and the draft review is unreal - and this did not mention roster screw ups,
Vilma to Saints for Superbowl (no draft pick in return)
dump shotty four years late - Gruden and Favre with Rex's D wins the supe!
draft Vlad the dumb and ugly and cut Faneca - line chemistry gone forever
Take out an ad for Tomas Jones in KC - WTF?
Howard Green to Packers for Superbowl
Woodhead to Pats for kick in the balls
left at the alter by Aso
trade for Tebow and do not use him
Yeah there have been some bad moves, and I was a fan of Vilma, but unfortunately just like Abraham neither fit Mangini's 3-4 Defense which is why they were ultimately traded away.
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It's never as bad as it seems. That's the phrase that comes to mind about this. Remember what Mangini and Tanny did to Chad? They told him to take a paycut or be cut, pure and simple. I know the Jets are now locked into paying Sanchez this ridiculous amount of money. But lets face the facts, NO ONE would ever pay Sanchez the kind of money the Jets have and if the Jets demanded Sanchez take a paycut and he refused? Well, he'd collect in the short term, but I don't know that ANY team would ever give Sanchez another chance after seeing how greedy he was with the Jets. Sanchez would need to think of his future before he gets very greedy.
So I think the Jets should play hard ball with Sanchez. Just cut him outright. Either way the Jets are going to lose. If they hold on to him they'll never win and if they cut him they screw their salary cap in dead money. But at least in the latter scenario, they are moving on and pursuing their future QB. They could potentially acquire an established veteran and install him as the starter. You know that just about any QB they put in Sanchez's place is going to play better and win more games. That's obvious.
Once again the laughingstock of the NFL...that didn't take long
Faneca was still a very good player at the time the Jets let him go, but there's no way he would still be good in 2012. Howard Green and Danny Woodhead are bums that caught on with great teams, and have never really done anything, so what exactly is your point? And yes, Tebow blows and there was never a reason to trade for him, but most people had that figured out 7 months ago.


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